From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 1 08:44:25 2001 From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike Storage Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 08:39:53 -0400 Looking for some help from the travelers/movers on the list: I am moving abroad for about a year and need to mothball my KLR. Everyone I've spoken to has told me to put in high grade gasoline and some fuel stabilizer, do an oil change, and disconnect the battery. Sounds fine to me. But when talking to a moving company, they have told me that it will be necessary to drain the bike of all fluids before they will move or store it. This doesn't sound like a good plan. Has anybody had any experience in this field? Incidentally, I will be moving from DC to Miami, in case anyone is wondering. Thanks and bests, Erik 01 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 1 09:23:52 2001 Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 09:22:20 -0400 To: eschelzig@XXXXXX From: Justin Lemrow Subject: Re: Bike Storage Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX why store it? ride it :) Justin >Incidentally, I will be moving from DC to Miami, in case anyone is >wondering. > >Erik >01 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 1 09:28:19 2001 Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 06:28:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: Bike Storage To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I will be moving from DC to Miami Since when is Miami abroad. I know they don't speak english but it is still part of the USA (last time I checked). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 1 09:29:02 2001 From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: firblt@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Storage Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:24:52 -0400 Sorry I wasn't clear -- the route is this : Washington, DC -- Germany -- Miami in the span of about a year. Erik -----Original Message----- From: Justin Lemrow [mailto:firblt@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 9:22 AM To: Erik Schelzig Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Storage why store it? ride it :) Justin >Incidentally, I will be moving from DC to Miami, in case anyone is >wondering. > >Erik >01 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 1 10:06:30 2001 From: bergman@XXXXXX To: eschelzig@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Storage Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 10:05:12 -0400 In your message dated: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 08:39:53 EDT, The pithy ruminations from eschelzig@XXXXXX on were: => Looking for some help from the travelers/movers on the list: I am moving => abroad for about a year and need to mothball my KLR. Everyone I've spoken => to has told me to put in high grade gasoline and some fuel stabilizer, do an => oil change, and disconnect the battery. Sounds fine to me. But when => talking to a moving company, they have told me that it will be necessary to => drain the bike of all fluids before they will move or store it. This => doesn't sound like a good plan. Has anybody had any experience in this => field? Incidentally, I will be moving from DC to Miami, in case anyone is => wondering. Why not just ship the bike to Germany? There's very good riding there (those things called the Alps, you know) and KLRs are popular. Lufthansa should be able to do the shipping for about $650 each way, and it's really, really easy (I've done it). You don't need to drain any fluids, and they are really careful. Get in touch with me off the list for more details, including info about insurance and a good shipping broker. Mark => => Thanks and bests, => => Erik => => 01 KLR650 => From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 1 10:19:22 2001 Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:14:46 -0400 From: To: eschelzig@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Storage Erik pondered aloud: > Looking for some help from the travelers/movers on the list: I am moving > abroad for about a year and need to mothball my KLR. Everyone I've spoken > to has told me to put in high grade gasoline and some fuel stabilizer, do an > oil change, and disconnect the battery. Sounds fine to me. WEEEEEEELL... that's O K, but of course, it's better to keep it running... But when > talking to a moving company, they have told me that it will be necessary to > drain the bike of all fluids before they will move or store it. This > doesn't sound like a good plan. Has anybody had any experience in this > field? Incidentally, I will be moving from DC to Miami, in case anyone is > wondering. well, I'd be hesitant to drain the bike of all fluids. it's a sacrifice, but, I'll tell you what... I'll ride the bike for you while you're gone. Stored in a garage, regular maintenance, and, for some extra consideration, I'll take it on some dirt roads, keep the suspension working and all. After all, you don't want your bike collecting dust in some storage area, other stuff piling on top of it, only casually glanced at by some uncaring BDC? Anything for a LM in need.... Dave Yates -- Get Backbone Connectivity at a Great Price! One on One Internet Web Hosting, http://www.pop3now.com/go/oneonone/1000 Pop3Now Personal, Manage 5 Email Accounts From 1 Secure Window Sign Up Today! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 1 10:24:34 2001 From: Cedric Bernescut To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: FW: [cbr] Warchild's Deerstrike Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:24:33 -0400 With all the recent discussion of deer hunting I thought I'd cross post this from another list. Warning: Not for Small Children of Animal Lovers. Cedric Subject: [cbr] Warchild's Deerstrike I guess Warchild was another one driven away. Anyway, here's a good, good story he wrote on another site. http://network54.com/Hide/Forum/message?forumid=116563&messageid=991190275 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 1 12:19:37 2001 Date: Fri, 1 Jun 1973 12:28:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: eschelzig@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Storage On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote: > Looking for some help from the travelers/movers on the list: I am moving > abroad for about a year and need to mothball my KLR. Everyone I've spoken > to has told me to put in high grade gasoline and some fuel stabilizer, do an > oil change, and disconnect the battery. Sounds fine to me. But when No personal experience with this, but you should be able to get away with: (1) drain gas tank til dry. Pour in some heavy oil (30 wt?), slosh it around til it has covered the inside of the tank; drain excess. (2) drain carb (should be a screw on the float bowl). (3) put a bit (tablespoon) of oil in sparkplug hole, crank engine a few times, reinstall plug. (4) the battery will be a throw-away in a year unless you can arrange occasional recharging; otherwise might as well sell/give it away now. (5) wax/grease/oil/wd40/armor-all parts that you think might rust. --garcia "Florida: all voters are equal, but some are more equal than others." From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 1 13:22:00 2001 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'dcanderson_iii@XXXXXX'" , "'the.horkster@XXXXXX'" Subject: Parking & Horns Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 13:22:26 -0400 DC Anderson III asked: "Does anyone know of any motorcycle parking down near the MCI Center?" On the north side of Indiana next to 6th street. Also on the north side of G, close to 7th there is a blank "free parking spot" that may have been designated for motorcycles once. "The list sez there's one there. Dale, can you post "the list" a hard drive crash wiped my copy. Horns: John claimed: "One point on horns, what I have learned over the years is that when I really want a horn I am WAY to busy to use one. I too like loud horns, but find them useless in a real emergency." When in town or traffic: Cover your brake lever, cover your horn button. But remember people (even BDCs) react to sight faster than to sound so use lane positioning and lights to avoid having to use either brakes or tooters. See one horn (& lights) mounting suggestion below: Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666) '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red) Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg http://www.crosswinds.net/~denbrook/Motorcycles/Events/mmc-2-17-01/Carls_Sab re.jpg From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 1 13:36:56 2001 Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:36:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Parking & Horns To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'dcanderson_iii@XXXXXX'" , "'the.horkster@XXXXXX'" > Dale, can you post "the list" a hard drive crash > wiped my copy. You can find "the list" on www.dccycles.com under "Area Riding" and "DC Parking." Here it is for convenience though. Chris ----------- Parking Tips: 1. When parked in spaces designed for their exclusive use, motorcycles must park in designated areas with rear wheel to the curb. 2. Metered parking is in effect during the hours posted. 3. No motorized vehicle without pedals shall park on islands or sidewalks. ($50!! BTDT) 4. Park one motorcycle per stall. 5. Most parking is metered for 4 hours, at 25 cents per hour. 6. Motorcycles may park in metered zones for automobiles providing the parking meter is paid. When parked in spaces designed for automobiles, motorcycles should park parallel to the curb. 300 block Eye St NW -- 14 spaces 800 block Vermont Ave, NW -- 23 spaces (meters more expensive) 600 block Indiana Ave. NW -- 6 (In the shade, next to 6th) 600 block E St NW -- 6 (Not marked, no meters) 600 block G St. NW --6 (Not there anymore??) 600 block 2nd St. NW -- 10 spaces 2000 block T St NW -- 10 1300 block New York Ave NW -- 10 1700 block M St. NW -- 31 1400 block G St. NW -- 14 2100 block Eye St. NW -- 10 spaces 1800 block H St NW -- 16 (shaded) 2200 block E St NW -- 9 1100 block Vermont Ave NW -- 10 Unit block G St NW -- 8 (On the south side of G St. immediately west of North Capitol. No meters, just a sign that says Motorcycle parking. LB) 1200 block New Hampshire Ave NW -- 20 spaces 1500 block 19th St NW -- 7 1700 block G St NW -- 11 2200 block F St NW -- 6 1400 block M St NW -- 6 900 block 15th St NW -- 12 1800 block Eye St NW -- 9 1300 block K St NW -- 9 (Next to 14th, shaded from noon sun; where the elite parque) 1800 block Pennsylvania Ave NW -- 9 spaces 2000 block Florida Ave NW -- 10 1800 block M St NW -- 24 1100 block Thomas Jefferson St NW -- 5 3000 block VanNess St NW -- 13 spaces 2500 block 6th St NW -- 10 200 block Independence Ave SE -- 9 300 block Virginia Ave SW -- 10 800 block C St. SW -- 10 Some might find this useful: There is free motorcycle parking (no meter heads) on C, SW between 12th & 14 behind USDA. In the USDA parking lot on Independence close to 12th On the SW side of the Humphrey building (200 Independence?) the Humphrey building (Independence Ave, SW) has free MC parking on the sidewalk/patio and is sort of covered (there's a roof way up high). It's on the SW side of the building (KR) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 1 13:56:26 2001 Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 13:55:37 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Parking & Horns To: Chris Weaver Cc: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" , "'dcanderson_iii@XXXXXX'" Chris Weaver wrote: > > > Dale, can you post "the list" a hard drive crash > > wiped my copy. > > You can find "the list" on www.dccycles.com under > "Area Riding" and "DC Parking." Cool, thanks Chris! I'm off the hook looking through my saved messages. :) Dale -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 27 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 1 14:08:28 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: DC "free" MC parking, was Re: Parking & Horns Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 14:11:44 -0400 I was downtown yesterday and parked at 15th and Eye and noticed something untoward. It looks like they're installing some kind of parking fee collection system at the currently "free" spots. Not sure what's up with that. I'll give my DPW contact a call to see what's going on. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F ----- Original Message ----- From: Custer, Carl > DC Anderson III asked: "Does anyone know of any motorcycle parking down near > the MCI Center?" > > On the north side of Indiana next to 6th street. > Also on the north side of G, close to 7th there is a blank "free parking > spot" that may have been designated for motorcycles once. "The list sez > there's one there. > Dale, can you post "the list" a hard drive crash wiped my copy. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 1 18:11:53 2001 Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 18:09:36 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Dead list. Doctor, the list is going into defib! Charging paddles! Clear! *bzzzt* It's no good! Bring it up to 50Kw. Clear! *bzzzz* Damn! Alright, let's call it. Time of death, 12:28:34, June 1st, 1973. (Hey Garcia, check your computer's clock!) Have a good weekend, kids. Bring me some good stories for Monday. And maybe a bottle or two of Uncle Jemima's Mash Liqour. If you're like me, you wanna get bit just as fast as possible. -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #230 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 1 19:38:47 2001 Date: Fri, 1 Jun 1973 19:47:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: Sean Jordan cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dead list. On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Sean Jordan wrote: > Doctor, the list is going into defib! Charging paddles! Clear! > *bzzzt* It's no good! Bring it up to 50Kw. Clear! *bzzzz* Damn! > Alright, let's call it. Time of death, 12:28:34, June 1st, 1973. (Hey > Garcia, check your computer's clock!) Computer's clock is fine. You have met the CapAccess solution to y2k. Really. --garcia "A horse divided against itself cannot stand." From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 1 21:01:51 2001 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: RE: for the truly energy conscience Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 21:06:59 -0400 I really think this is a great idea. But i think this sort of thing would be best suited for scooters. I woudlnt mind owning a fully electric or hybrid scooter. Only problem is that many scooters get around 100mpg already. Italjet formula gets around 90 if you thrash it, 105 if you take it easy. But then again the top speed is kind of low. If they make a scooter version of this hog, i will probably buy it. Ricardo Pontes www.geocities.com/ricardopontes I followed some of the links and found this really funky looking ride: http://www.ecycle.com/powersports/hybrid.htm But seeing the semi-success of this engineering idea in cars I think it will be the way electric motorcycles get started (no pun intended). Cedric The tree huggin, granola eatin, hemp wearin bike. http://user.icx.net/~jfairstein/electric.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 1 22:45:32 2001 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: [cbr] Warchild's Deerstrike Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 22:43:52 -0400 Dale Wilson is on the ST1100, LDRider, IBDone and CBR lists. He also occassionally posts to the HSTA list, but more for the mere thrill of ruffling the old folks feathers. He's a stalwart ego that could not ever possibly be driven away from anything. In fact, the man seems to subsist on email conflict at times. Nevertheless, he is an amusing read. Todd (Springfield, VA) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- From: Cedric Bernescut To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: FW: [cbr] Warchild's Deerstrike Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:24:33 -0400 With all the recent discussion of deer hunting I thought I'd cross post this from another list. Warning: Not for Small Children of Animal Lovers. Cedric Subject: [cbr] Warchild's Deerstrike I guess Warchild was another one driven away. Anyway, here's a good, good story he wrote on another site. http://network54.com/Hide/Forum/message?forumid=116563&messageid=991190275 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 1 23:41:27 2001 From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Thanks. and Back to Your Roots, Gendarme Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 22:44:38 -0400 o Thanks, sympathizers, for the kind thoughts re my recent shoveoff. Appreciated. o Couldn't help chuckling over a serendipitious photo in the 5/20 Post magazine, p.6 , contrasting the current list postings about distasteful area police vehicles and practices: [A B/W photo showing 5 policemen in full horse-regalia uniforms straddling period motorcycles (+ a chief) in front of a store]. Caption: "In 1922, Montgomery County was farm country: . .. ...posing ... on July 4 [police] Chief ... and his men on their first day of duty. . . .. They didn't have much beyond their badges. Their only training was on riding motorcycles, and there was no office . . .. If they needed to cart someone to jail, the prisoner often had to ride along on the motorcycle, handcuffed. Still there were bootleggers and chicken thieves to chase down . . .." Certainly no brother motorcyclists. July 4, 2002 will be the 80th anniversary of the forming of this august group. Bill S. / DC [99 VN750] --> I'll bet I could sniff out bootleggers and chicken thieves. And deal punish enough to handcuffed pillioners. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 2 00:32:17 2001 Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 21:32:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Nomad Subject: Re:Bike Storage To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX <I will be moving from DC to Miami To: Subject: Re: Bike Storage Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 11:12:29 -0400 I have a KLR too. There are two schools of thought on fluid prep for storage. Theory 1 is top everything off, including the gas tank. This reduces the area for condensation in the tank (esp. over the winter) so you'll be able to start it up next spring. Theory 2 is drain the gas tank (i.e. run it till it konks out - remember to have the fuel gauge on reserve). The logic here is the same as theory 1, albeit to remove the condensation causing element altogether. I think either is fine, but if you are going to leave the fuel in, definitely put in stabilizer - it makes the fuel more syrupy and less apt to freezing, separating, and condensing. Always disconnect the battery, ESP. on that bike. I sometimes disconnect mine if I'm not gonna rider her for a couple of weeks, let alone an entire year. Have a safe trip. -- Seth '97 Valk '00 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 2 16:19:16 2001 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 15:19:05 -0500 Subject: Re: Warchild's Deerstrike Couple of observations: This is what horns are for. When I'm unsure, I bleep my horn often. You can't hear an MC engine/exhuast when it's coming toward you. And dear definately don't pick up on it. Horns they do notice. I checked the tachometer, looked up at the Sigma, then down to the temp gauge, then looked up to see the 75-lb doe looking right at me, Any good pilot knows you scan and look up, scan and look up, scan and look up. reading 3 instruments one after the other is too much time away from looking at the road. Even more so since th author was apparently very aware that critters were highly possible. As to the 'shit' or the amount of it. I believe we humans have about 12ft worth of intestine in our abdomons. Dear would have a lot, too. -- "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, they should have voted to convict." _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 2 16:35:59 2001 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 15:35:55 -0500 Subject: Fairly friendly Suzuki dealer I was up in Winchester to pick up my Honda parts and stopped by the 'zuk/kawi/yam dealer there on US50 a few miles east of I-81 to get a price quote on some parts. Headlight brackets etc. for a GS500E were way more than I think they're worth (will call a breaker) but just for grins I stopped by Loudoun Motorsports in Leesburg to get a comparison. Loudoun's was almost 2x as expensive. I was appalled. I queried their main parts man as to what's up with that and got a disinterested shrug. I let him know that I currently do all my HOnda parts business with Shenandoah Honda and was thinking about consolidating business a little closer (now that I have suzuki's in the stable) but that there was no way unless his prices were more reasonable. He gave me one of those, "I don't give a shit, why don't you piss off" sort of looks. 'Piss off' I did. I was even more upset when he said I could buy a VIP card for $40 and thereby get a 10% discount of stuff. I don't think so!!! That's the last time I even THINK about visiting a DC/VA dealer for anything. Shenandoah Honda's prices are 10 - 20% cheaper than dealers around here AND I get a 15% discount on top of that. No questions asked, no requirement that you buy a bike there, no nothing. At the previously mentioned zuk/yam/kawi dealer I didn't get the parts counter to come down much except to mention the 10% AMA discount but the person in charge there said to give the owner a ring during the week and was pretty sure we'd be able to come to some kind of understanding. I'm new to Suzuki land. Anyone have suggestions for a GOOD shop that isn't intent on bilking the customer? I'm familiar with Whitt's and will pay them a visit. But other than that it seems I have to go to Winchester to find a 1/2 way decent outfit. -- "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, they should have voted to convict." _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 2 17:03:45 2001 Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 17:03:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Fairly friendly Suzuki dealer I have good luck with Cycle Sport in Herndon. At 04:35 PM 6/2/2001, Matthew Patton wrote: >I'm new to Suzuki land. Anyone have suggestions for a GOOD shop that isn't >intent on bilking the customer? I'm familiar with Whitt's and will pay >them a visit. But other than that it seems I have to go to Winchester to >find a 1/2 way decent outfit. ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 2 18:45:23 2001 From: "Patrick Caulfield" To: "DCCycles" Subject: Advice: Reckless Driving Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 18:36:17 -0400 ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C0EB92.E8FB26A0 So my roomie and I were cruising Sat enjoying the nice day and came up on= a speed trap and got nailed for 57 in a 305. What advice can anyone off= er to reduce the violation. Roomie's on reckless #2, 3rd ticket, I'm on = my 1st(and 1st on bike) and second speeding ticket. Any help would be ap= preciated!!! -Chayne C. 98 CBR600F3

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From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 3 09:04:53 2001 Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 09:05:02 -0400 From: Paul Wilson To: Matthew Patton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Horn use, was Re: Warchild's Deerstrike Matthew Patton wrote: > > Couple of observations: > > This is what horns are for. When I'm unsure, I bleep my horn often. You can't hear an MC engine/exhuast when it's coming toward you. And dear definately don't pick up on it. Horns they do notice. > I think the rule of thumb with the horn is, "use it, but don't rely on it." It certainly doesn't hurt. Sometimes cagers give me a dirty look for beeping at them, but it did make them notice me, so mission accomplished. The worst offenders are the "lane creepers" how can't seem to keep themselves from wandering across the lane markers. A little toot usually wakes 'em up and keeps them on their side of the dashed white lines. I probably use my horn way more than the average motorcyclist. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 3 09:15:33 2001 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 09:15:29 EDT Subject: Re: Advice: Reckless Driving To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >So my roomie and I were cruising Sat enjoying the nice day and came up on a > speed trap and got nailed for 57 in a 305. What advice can anyone offer to > reduce the violation. Roomie's on reckless #2, 3rd ticket, I'm on my 1st(and 1st >on bike) and second speeding ticket. Any help would be appreciated!!! 1. Get a good lawyer 2. Get a good radar detector - Valentine 1 is recommended. It will run you about $500 with the remote audio and video - less than the cost of a lawyer. 3. Did I mention get a lawyer? Michael J. '93 GSX 1100G '86 SRX-6 '99 V1 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 3 16:32:42 2001 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 16:32:37 EDT Subject: Re: va trailer inspection To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 5/31/2001 12:55:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, christopher.meier@XXXXXX writes: > Yep, makes sense. Ffx Cty ... not concerned about safety laws, but they > know the fees you have to pay down pat. > While I was out riding this weekend (577mi.) I saw someone pull right out in front of a cop (not a local) so the cop had to _slam_ of his brakes to keep from hitting him. Then the cop just kept on going... to a speed trap no doubt. Morons! John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 3 16:39:27 2001 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 16:39:20 EDT Subject: Re: for the truly energy conscience To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 5/31/2001 3:03:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bernescut@XXXXXX writes: > But seeing the semi-success of this engineering idea in cars I think it will > be the way electric motorcycles get started (no pun intended). By the way what good is an electric motorcycle or cage if you aint got no power to charge it? (See California.) Just wondering. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 3 16:42:23 2001 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 16:42:14 EDT Subject: Re: for the truly energy conscience To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 5/31/2001 3:48:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Rigopoulos_Mark@XXXXXX writes: > I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want 60+lbs of Lead Acid batteries in > between MY legs. > Mark Hell no! I want exploding hydrocarbons between my legs! John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 3 17:06:37 2001 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 17:06:30 EDT Subject: Re: horns To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/1/2001 10:09:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pattonme@XXXXXX writes: > which is why you use the horn BEFORE it's an emergency. (SIPDE and all that). When I (P)redict some moron is about to do something stupid, I (D)ecide not to trust them to hear my horn. And (E)xecute an evasive maneuver. If it is not an emergency yet you do not need a loud horn. If it is, the horn, no matter how loud cannot be relied on. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 3 22:05:35 2001 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 22:02:29 -0400 Subject: Summit Point Track Day Monday, June 11th X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,5-9,11,13,15 From: Tom Fitzpatrick This is *not* for racers only! Cycle Sport's Track Day is at Summit Point on Monday, June 11th. You must complete a safety seminar if you haven't done this before, so if you have interest, call Mark in the parts department ASAP. He can be reached at (703) 471-6990. This is how I got started. Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX (703)818-8890 (www.fastlanecycles.com) *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (www.racingleather.com) *A.F.S. Contractor Inc.-Home Insurance Recovery Specialist (www.unitedwebuild.com/afs.html) *Janet Bell TAX Preparation, Accounting and Consulting (belljan@XXXXXX) From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 3 22:34:55 2001 From: "DAN KENNEY" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: roach did you sell Harley Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 02:23:26
Brian ,
Did you sell the Harley? Let me know either way. If it is not sold send me the price and specs.
 
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From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 4 08:32:19 2001 Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 05:32:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: Fairly friendly Suzuki dealer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX If you're willing to travel a little, I buy my Suzuki parts at Cycle Accesory Discounters in Gaithersburg. You might want to give them a try via phone... 301-977-7188. --- Matthew Patton wrote: > I was up in Winchester to pick up my Honda parts and > stopped by the 'zuk/kawi/yam dealer there on US50 a > few miles east of I-81 to get a price quote on some > parts. Headlight brackets etc. for a GS500E were way > more than I think they're worth (will call a > breaker) but just for grins I stopped by Loudoun > Motorsports in Leesburg to get a comparison. > Loudoun's was almost 2x as expensive. I was > appalled. I queried their main parts man as to > what's up with that and got a disinterested shrug. I > let him know that I currently do all my HOnda parts > business with Shenandoah Honda and was thinking > about consolidating business a little closer (now > that I have suzuki's in the stable) but that there > was no way unless his prices were more reasonable. > > He gave me one of those, "I don't give a shit, why > don't you piss off" sort of looks. 'Piss off' I did. > I was even more upset when he said I could buy a VIP > card for $40 and thereby get a 10% discount of > stuff. I don't think so!!! > > That's the last time I even THINK about visiting a > DC/VA dealer for anything. Shenandoah Honda's prices > are 10 - 20% cheaper than dealers around here AND I > get a 15% discount on top of that. No questions > asked, no requirement that you buy a bike there, no > nothing. > > At the previously mentioned zuk/yam/kawi dealer I > didn't get the parts counter to come down much > except to mention the 10% AMA discount but the > person in charge there said to give the owner a ring > during the week and was pretty sure we'd be able to > come to some kind of understanding. > > > I'm new to Suzuki land. Anyone have suggestions for > a GOOD shop that isn't intent on bilking the > customer? I'm familiar with Whitt's and will pay > them a visit. But other than that it seems I have to > go to Winchester to find a 1/2 way decent outfit. > -- > > > "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, > they should have voted to convict." > > > _______________________________________________ > Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com > > > Powered by Outblaze __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 4 08:35:25 2001 Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 08:35:18 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: Subject: Re: horns I agree with Paul (pattonme@XXXXXX) that using the horn is good to alert people and that you should not rely on it. Yesterday was a perfect example - car pulling out the parking lot on the right, driver acted like he didn't see me. As I applied the brakes I sounded the horn. He looked, stopped, and let me by. The non-horn alternative would be to hope he saw me (yeah, right!) or to stop in the road if he kept moving. I think most people would agree that use of the horn was the better tactic. the smaller the vehicle, the louder the horn, Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 17:06:30 EDT >In a message dated 6/1/2001 10:09:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >pattonme@XXXXXX writes: > >> which is why you use the horn BEFORE it's an emergency. (SIPDE and all >that). > >When I (P)redict some moron is about to do something stupid, I (D)ecide not >to trust them to hear my horn. And (E)xecute an evasive maneuver. >If it is not an emergency yet you do not need a loud horn. If it is, the >horn, no matter how loud cannot be relied on. > > >John Walters (Long John) >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX >Up near DC > >Honda ST1100X Pan European > (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) >BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles >Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 4 09:57:49 2001 Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 06:57:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Trey Herb Subject: other horns To: DC-Cycles I was at a marine shop the other day picking up some electric gear for my Trophy when I saw these big fat round horns. the were not hooked up but was wondering if anyone ever tried them on a bike. they look like any easy install and are not badly priced. Trey __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 4 10:15:49 2001 Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 10:15:16 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Funny comic today http://www2.uclick.com/client/wpc/nq/ -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #230 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 4 10:49:13 2001 Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 10:48:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: For Sale (non-moto) Hey guys, need to make room for some new thing by selling some old things, so I thought I'd give you all first crack before I put the stuff up on eBay. (The benefits of being a lister!) Car stereo stuff: Clarion Tape Deck & Clarion 6 disc changer. Specs and model #'s available upon request. (I don't have them in front of me and can't remember what they are.) This is higher end stuff. 2 1/2 years old, great condition. $200 Kenwood 4 channel amp. 25 watts per channel RMS. High and low pass filters. 2ohm stable. $100 Kenwood active powered eq. With fader and adjustable low-pass filter subwoofer output. $75. Non-Car Stereo stuff AGV Rage 1 piece leathers. Red, black, and white. Light scuffing on seat from a low speed track get off. Will pass tech with all race organizations, no real damage to suit. I think it's a size 58. (Fits me well and I'm 5'10" 175lbs.) This is a great suit for racing, track days, or street riding. Let me know if you want to come by and try it on. $150. Garmin GPS 3 Brand new in box! Less than 20 minutes of use! $200 These items will be going on eBay later this week, so if you're interested in anything, let me know! -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #230 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 4 10:59:54 2001 From: Brian Roach To: DC Cycles Subject: NESBA at VIR, a review. Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 10:59:52 -0400 Well, we spent all weekend at VIR with NESBA on the south course... and I'm happy to report that I'm impressed with NESBA. They are well organized, you gets tons of track time, and the squid level is almost nill. Everyone involved with NESBA is very friendly and helpfull. Their control riders are NOT racers looking for free track time - they honestly take time to help out riders improve their cornering and riding ability in the beginner and intermediate groups. Even the Advanced group is devoid of squiddy behavior, which really surprised/pleased me. When talking with people after a track session, the conversation isn't "Did you see me pass so-and-so", etc ... it's about lap times, and if each person had made improvements. Most of the advanced guys had onboard lap timers, or someone in the pits with a watch. If you're not familiar with being around a racetrack, let me explain that this is a good thing - lap times are the goal, not stuffing someone into a corner then parking it in front of them :) I was riding my Aprilia cup bike, and never had a problem with 600 - 1000cc guys trying to jam into a corner in front of me... they all understood this could be the cause of an aprilia enima mid-corner. I also had a lot of guys who I'd pass ask for advice in between sessions - everyone seemed honestly interested in improving their riding - egos were not bruised. All and all, I'm very impressed, and we'll be hitting more of their days for practice this year (including this Friday at Summit Point on the main course). We originally were only going to go on Saturday, and ended up staying for Sunday as well. I would whole heartedly recommend NESBA to anyone looking to get on a track with their motorcycle. - Roach -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 4 11:04:47 2001 Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 08:04:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: NESBA at VIR, a review. To: DC Cycles I absolutely concur. I went to NESBA at summit for the free intro course. Absolutely great now all I need is a race bike and a trailer. Trey --- Brian Roach wrote: > > Well, we spent all weekend at VIR with NESBA on the > south course... and I'm > happy to report that I'm impressed with NESBA. > > They are well organized, you gets tons of track > time, and the squid level is > almost nill. Everyone involved with NESBA is very > friendly and helpfull. > Their control riders are NOT racers looking for free > track time - they > honestly take time to help out riders improve their > cornering and riding > ability in the beginner and intermediate groups. > Even the Advanced group is > devoid of squiddy behavior, which really > surprised/pleased me. When talking > with people after a track session, the conversation > isn't "Did you see me > pass so-and-so", etc ... it's about lap times, and > if each person had made > improvements. Most of the advanced guys had onboard > lap timers, or someone in > the pits with a watch. If you're not familiar with > being around a racetrack, > let me explain that this is a good thing - lap times > are the goal, not > stuffing someone into a corner then parking it in > front of them :) I was > riding my Aprilia cup bike, and never had a problem > with 600 - 1000cc guys > trying to jam into a corner in front of me... they > all understood this could > be the cause of an aprilia enima mid-corner. I also > had a lot of guys who > I'd pass ask for advice in between sessions - > everyone seemed honestly > interested in improving their riding - egos were not > bruised. > > All and all, I'm very impressed, and we'll be > hitting more of their days for > practice this year (including this Friday at Summit > Point on the main > course). We originally were only going to go on > Saturday, and ended up > staying for Sunday as well. I would whole heartedly > recommend NESBA to anyone > looking to get on a track with their motorcycle. > > - Roach > > -- > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 4 11:39:25 2001 From: "Pflieger, Matthew M." To: "'roach@XXXXXX'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: NESBA at VIR, a review. Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 11:38:44 -0400 Thanks for the info. I've been trying to plan my track days this year with Team Pro-Motion and NESBA. Its good to know either is a good choice. Is anyone going to the NESBA days at Carolina Motorsports Park on the 16th & 17th (Saturday-Sunday)? I spoke with a NESBA guy last week that said there are definitely spots available so I might sign up. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Roach [mailto:roach@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 11:00 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: NESBA at VIR, a review. Well, we spent all weekend at VIR with NESBA on the south course... and I'm happy to report that I'm impressed with NESBA. They are well organized, you gets tons of track time, and the squid level is almost nill. Everyone involved with NESBA is very friendly and helpfull. Their control riders are NOT racers looking for free track time - they honestly take time to help out riders improve their cornering and riding ability in the beginner and intermediate groups. Even the Advanced group is devoid of squiddy behavior, which really surprised/pleased me. When talking with people after a track session, the conversation isn't "Did you see me pass so-and-so", etc ... it's about lap times, and if each person had made improvements. Most of the advanced guys had onboard lap timers, or someone in the pits with a watch. If you're not familiar with being around a racetrack, let me explain that this is a good thing - lap times are the goal, not stuffing someone into a corner then parking it in front of them :) I was riding my Aprilia cup bike, and never had a problem with 600 - 1000cc guys trying to jam into a corner in front of me... they all understood this could be the cause of an aprilia enima mid-corner. I also had a lot of guys who I'd pass ask for advice in between sessions - everyone seemed honestly interested in improving their riding - egos were not bruised. All and all, I'm very impressed, and we'll be hitting more of their days for practice this year (including this Friday at Summit Point on the main course). We originally were only going to go on Saturday, and ended up staying for Sunday as well. I would whole heartedly recommend NESBA to anyone looking to get on a track with their motorcycle. - Roach -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 4 11:45:17 2001 Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 11:44:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "lisa@XXXXXX" To: dccycles Subject: VFR and Givi I know there is someone out there on the DC Cycles list who has the same body style VFR as mine and has a Givi mounted tail bag. Can you give me a shout off list? Thanks, Lisa Goddard '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 4 12:57:55 2001 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 10:48:24 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: NESBA at VIR, a review. Hey Brian, Looks like a good outfit, Glad I joined. They seem a little more organized then Team Pro Motion. I will at Sumitt on Friday, Ill look you up. Cheers, George Cole George M Cole Technology Consultant www.boisetech.com 301-523-4161 FAX 1-888-240-3154 >>> Brian Roach wrote Well, we spent all weekend at VIR with NESBA on the south course... and I'm happy to report that I'm impressed with NESBA. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 4 13:24:44 2001 From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 13:24:35 EDT Subject: Laid off....computer nerd in need of a job! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Damn, I guess the lay off bug buzzed by my office the other day. Just another lay off fatality (and I thought it wouldnt happen to me). Anyway, this computer nerd is in need of a position ASAP! Im a Certified Netware Administrator 4.x/5.x with lots of help desk and troubleshooting background (some law office experience as well). Some WinNT 4/Win2000 experience also. If your company is need of a Help Desk Specialist or Net Admin or you can pass my info along to someone who might be able to help a fellow biker, let me know and Ill send a resume. Thanks Dave From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 4 14:05:23 2001 Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 11:05:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Laid off....computer nerd in need of a job! To: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Join the club. I was laid off several weeks ago and still haven't found a new position. The headhunters I've talked to seem to think the market is really stagnant right now. I wish you good luck with your search. I'm now looking overseas for work now, since I'm not having much luck around here. By the way - any list members have European contacts? I'll keep my eyes open for you, Dave. Good luck. Cheers, Chris Weaver (web designer) --- GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX wrote: > Damn, I guess the lay off bug buzzed by my office > the other day > Thanks > Dave __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 4 16:07:00 2001 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'pattonme@XXXXXX'" , "'PenguinBiker@XXXXXX'" Subject: horns Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 16:07:37 -0400 pattonme@XXXXXX writes: > which is why you use the horn BEFORE it's an emergency. (SIPDE and all that). Long john Opined," When I (P)redict some moron is about to do something stupid, I (D)ecide not to trust them to hear my horn. And (E)xecute an evasive maneuver. If it is not an emergency yet you do not need a loud horn. If it is, the horn, no matter how loud cannot be relied on." You're correct that a horn may not help IN an emergency. However, I believe Patton's point was: a horn can PREVENT an emergency by getting the dumbass' attention. A good toot will rip a BDC from their reverie and have them start looking for the semi breathing down their neck. Because a good toot stimulates the BDCs to pay attention, it makes the roads a safer place for all. Don't rely on the horn to save your sorry butt at the last second. Visual conspicuity: lane placement, lights, yadda . . . are critical factors . . . for the truly energy conscience Mark claims: > I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want 60+lbs of Lead Acid batteries in between MY legs. > Mark L-J:" Hell no! I want exploding hydrocarbons between my legs!" Anyone old enough to remember the line from Georgy Girl? Reporter" "How do you remain so cheerful?" Scooter star: "If you had 50 ccs vibrating between your legs all day, you'd be cheerful too." RisquM-i stuff for 1966. Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666) '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red) Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg http://www.crosswinds.net/~denbrook/Motorcycles/Events/mmc-2-17-01/Carls_Sab re.jpg From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 4 17:00:14 2001 From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: Track day at VIR, NESBA, my view Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 17:01:49 -0400 Wow is all I can say. As Brian said, NESBA was awesome. I started out in the advanced group and quickly realized that I wanted to bump down to intermediate. I had just switched my bike to GP shift, and was learning a new track, so I thought I'd be more comfortable in the intermediate group. I went and asked about switching groups and they said "no problem." After that, my day was awesome. the beginner and intermediate groups have control riders, the advanced group doesn't, and let me tell you, I am glad that I bumped down to a group with control riders. I learned so much that day! The control riders were awesome! They really knew what they were talking about, and spent a lot of time with me on the track and off. By the end of the day, my riding had improved a lot. I rode two whole days and didn't have one time where another rider did something stupid. No squidly moves out on the track, which made the environment much more comfortable for learning. I also heard, though, that they do not put up with behavior like that...if someone is unsafe, they have no problem telling them to leave. All in all, awesome two days! NESBA is great, and we will be taking many of their track days. If you are new to a track, I'd suggest signing up with NESBA. The beginner group had a larger amount of control riders, and the instruction was awesome. There was even a guy out there on a cruiser!!! Check out their web site for a list of their track days...they have a ton! www.nesba.com Laura From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 4 21:30:06 2001 From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Subject: Harley radio? Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 21:29:32 -0400 Hey, I was thinking. I would really like to have a radio on my soundless FLHT. But the Harley radio kit is about $750 all told and that doesn't include having to do my own instllation. It would seem to me I could get any decently priced marine radio (needs to be water-proof/resistant) and speakers for a better price. Does anyone have anythoughts on this, or know anyone who would? Feel free to hit me off list at this address or HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX as I know it affect relatively few on this list. Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Daidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard --> 600 miles a week so far. Didn't see any of you once. 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 4 21:52:16 2001 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 21:46:19 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: "Howard J. Koontz" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harley radio? Clue - not all marine radios are water resistant - the one's they usually put in new boats are $20 cheapos. True story, I sold boats. The feature you need is the auto sound volume, reads the ambient noise and pumps up the volume so you can hear it, and backs off when you slow down/stop. But I'm sure *someone* offers an m/c type radio at less than $750. Bill Howard J. Koontz wrote: > Hey, > I was thinking. I would really like to have a radio on my soundless > FLHT. But the Harley radio kit is about $750 all told and that doesn't > include having to do my own instllation. It would seem to me I could get any > decently priced marine radio (needs to be water-proof/resistant) and > speakers for a better price. Does anyone have anythoughts on this, or know > anyone who would? Feel free to hit me off list at this address or > HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX as I know it affect relatively few on this list. > > Howard J. Koontz > 2001 Harley Daidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard --> 600 miles a week so far. > Didn't see any of you once. > 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 5 08:41:14 2001 Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 05:41:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Harley radio? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX If you're going to put regular speakers on the bike, don't skimp. It takes a lot of volume to overpower the wind and motor noise at 70 mph. Lately I've been putting speakers in the helmet and using those instead. BassMonsters used to be the only choice, but now J&M, Chatterbox and others have pretty good headsets for helmets Putting the speakers in the helmet also allows for a reasonably priced CB/FRS/intercom to be integrated into the system. The microphone is not difficult to mount when the speakers have to go in there anyway. Leon. --- "Howard J. Koontz" wrote: > Hey, > I was thinking. I would really like to have a > radio on my soundless > FLHT. But the Harley radio kit is about $750 all > told and that doesn't > include having to do my own instllation. It would > seem to me I could get any > decently priced marine radio (needs to be > water-proof/resistant) and > speakers for a better price. Does anyone have > anythoughts on this, or know > anyone who would? Feel free to hit me off list at > this address or > HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX as I know it affect relatively > few on this list. > > Howard J. Koontz > 2001 Harley Daidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard --> > 600 miles a week so far. > Didn't see any of you once. > 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 5 08:51:00 2001 Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 05:50:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Scratch Subject: Re: Harley radio? To: DCC Howard wrote: > I would really like to have a radio on my soundless > FLHT. But you have all that classic 'merican motor music already! Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 5 09:36:04 2001 Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 06:36:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Nomad Subject: Attn: Chris Weaver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Chris: E-mail me when you get the chance regarding a possible employment opportunity. Herb Nomad98@XXXXXX __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 5 09:48:34 2001 Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 09:45:13 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: East Coast BBG To: DC Cycles List Just trying to guage the interest in an East Coast BBG group record attempt in order to shush the self-proclaimed big dawgs out west. Mid July, start in Raleigh, NC, down to Fort Lauderdale, across Alligator Alley, end up in Lower Alabama, that'd leave a near-1000 mile day to get back home. We need around 40 riders to break the record. Anyone here interested? I'm doing it. Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 27 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 5 12:19:24 2001 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "lisa@XXXXXX" Cc: dccycles Subject: Re: red light this morning Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 12:25:44 -0700 You have to watch out behind you too... I was going down GA ave towards U street... following a lady friend riding her 93 gsxr 750. The light turned yellow while she was in the intersection, and I slowed down to stop for the soon to be red light.. I checked my mirror as I was braking to stop.. and I saw a car right on my ass.. I guess the moron behind me thought I was going to rip through the intersection.. so I modulated my brakes to keep a decent space between us. So I come to a near stop after the white line so that moron could come to a stop first. No way was I going to let that moron run me through an intersection so I turned right on the street by howard U hospital.. then I figured, well my friend is probably still on GA ave, so I hit a U turn, got the green light, made a right and got back with her at the corner of U. I'm glad I have mirrors, good braking technique, and awareness to check my mirrors. Be safe out there! Danny From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 5 13:20:43 2001 From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: new member info section Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 13:22:19 -0400 Due to my HTML-challenged self, I have redone the bios section into a format that I will be able to update easily. I have NOT hooked up the web site links in people's bios yet, so please don't email me telling me they don't work. :-) Take a peek. Hopefully soon I'll be able to link each person's name to their bio, but for now, this works. I have a few more I have to add. If anyone else wants their bio added, now would be a great time to send me your info!!!! Thanks! Laura www.dccycles.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 5 13:39:54 2001 From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: featured member stuff needed Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 13:41:34 -0400 Hi all! I've added a new section in our member info section on the site. It's called the "featured member" section. Every few weeks I will feature a new member on the site, so start sending me your stuff!!! Here are a few questions to answer, but feel free to send me anything you want to put up!!! Name Age occupation Personal Status How many years riding Current Bike Dream Bike Took MSF course? best advice anyone ever gave you about riding Scariest Moment on Your bike Dumbest Thing you've ever done on your bike Best advice for those getting into riding Have you ever crashed? If so, share how and why (so others can learn) Favorite part about riding Biggest revelation you've had while riding favorite motorcycle shop TIA Laura favorite roads From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 5 16:51:06 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: red light this morning Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 16:51:15 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: >You have to watch out behind you too... >I was going down GA ave towards U street... following a lady friend >riding her 93 gsxr 750. The light turned yellow while she was in the >intersection, and I slowed down to stop for the soon to be red light.. >I checked my mirror as I was braking to stop.. and I saw a car right >on my ass.. A very sound piece of advice. MSF thumps on this, and with good reason. What's the first thing you do when slowing to a stop? Check your mirrors for traffic behind you. (Notice: I put that tidbit in question form. My fellow newbie instructors out there will fully appreciate why I did that!) Paul in DC 95 VFR750F MSF certified instructor From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 5 19:06:01 2001 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 19:05:46 EDT Subject: Horns To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --part1_e3.15c0bb9c.284ebfca_boundary I just put a set of Fiamms on that I got for Christmas a year or so back. The bike no longer goes "Yoo-hoo, excuse me" It now goes "GO HOME AND CHANGE YOUR UNDERWARE!" I'm gonna troll for a BDC not paying attention... Michael J. --part1_e3.15c0bb9c.284ebfca_boundary I just put a set of Fiamms on that I got for Christmas a year or so back.

The bike no longer goes "Yoo-hoo, excuse me"

It now goes "GO HOME AND CHANGE YOUR UNDERWARE!"

I'm gonna troll for a BDC not paying attention...

Michael J.
--part1_e3.15c0bb9c.284ebfca_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 5 19:05:51 2001 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 19:05:40 EDT Subject: Horns To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --part1_a1.1668181d.284ebfc4_boundary I just put a set of Fiamms on that I got for Christmas a year or so back. The bike no longer goes "Yoo-hoo, excuse me" It now goes "GO HOME AND CHANGE YOUR UNDERWARE!" I'm gonna troll for a BDC not paying attention... Michael J. --part1_a1.1668181d.284ebfc4_boundary I just put a set of Fiamms on that I got for Christmas a year or so back.

The bike no longer goes "Yoo-hoo, excuse me"

It now goes "GO HOME AND CHANGE YOUR UNDERWARE!"

I'm gonna troll for a BDC not paying attention...

Michael J.
--part1_a1.1668181d.284ebfc4_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 5 22:19:48 2001 Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 22:19:35 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: Re: East Coast BBG At 09:45 AM 6/5/01 , you wrote: >Just trying to guage the interest in an East Coast BBG >group record attempt in order to shush the self-proclaimed >big dawgs out west. Mid July, start in Raleigh, NC, down >to Fort Lauderdale, across Alligator Alley, end up in Lower >Alabama, that'd leave a near-1000 mile day to get back home. > >We need around 40 riders to break the record. Anyone >here interested? I'm doing it. > >Horkster Good luck Dale. I think it's the wrong time of year. Maybe in December? How 'bout we go to Mid-Ohio for the Vintage Races via Raleigh, Chattanooga, Paducah, and Terra Haute. We can start from the Woodbridge Commuter Lot. Or, if you want to start in Raleigh, we could hit Memphis too. SA6 says we can do it in 23:07 averaging 70mph on the interstate. This would be just about double my farthest day. :-) Seriously though, I think it would be very difficult east of the Mississippi. Andrew '90 EX500 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 5 22:51:37 2001 Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 19:51:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Suzookus Maximus Subject: Footpeg Riding Style To: DC Cycles List Wanted to get some opinions from you all about where you put your feet on the pegs. :) Personally, I like to ride with ball of my foot on the peg and just move it up a little to shift or brake. I was thinking that it might be better just to ride with the middle of my foot centered on the peg. However it always feels kind of weird to me to keep it there for long. I don't usually have to shift that much on my bike on most streets or back roads; I usually stick it in third or fourth and ride up and down the powerband. Anything above that tends to get me into 'wreckless' territory. :0 Recently, I was thinking that the extra tenths of a second might save me someday with the right foot that much closer to the brake and it might be worth 'get-n used to.' Comments? -jeff ===== ->bike: '00 GSX-R750 ->email: suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX ->web: http://profiles.yahoo.com/suzookusmaximus __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 6 07:07:47 2001 Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 04:07:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Footpeg Riding Style To: Suzookus Maximus , DC Cycles List --- Suzookus Maximus wrote: > Wanted to get some opinions from you all about where > you put your feet on the pegs. :) > > Personally, I like to ride with ball of my foot on the > peg and just move it up a little to shift or brake. I > was thinking that it might be better just to ride with > the middle of my foot centered on the peg. However it > always feels kind of weird to me to keep it there for > long. > > I don't usually have to shift that much on my bike on > most streets or back roads; I usually stick it in > third or fourth and ride up and down the powerband. > Anything above that tends to get me into 'wreckless' > territory. :0 wreckless = good reckless = bad in virginia, reckless can be easily found in first or second gear; third and fourth are for jail time; fifth and sixth are useless. > Recently, I was thinking that the extra > tenths of a second might save me someday with the > right foot that much closer to the brake and it might > be worth 'get-n used to.' > > Comments? it really depends on your riding conditions. and, it is entirely possible to grind the toes off your boots if you get your foot stuck under the shifter/lever. also, in my opinion, if you "cover" the rear brake, you're more likely to use too much of it and lock it up...also not good. so, in the twisties i put my weight on the balls of my feet and get maximum clearance. at many other times, i ride with my feet under the shifter/lever for comfort. always keeping them in the same position is rather tiring....find a consistent routine. ===== tg check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 6 08:00:02 2001 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: East Coast BBG Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 07:58:17 -0400 Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 09:45:13 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: East Coast BBG To: DC Cycles List Just trying to guage the interest in an East Coast BBG group record attempt in order to shush the self-proclaimed big dawgs out west. Mid July, start in Raleigh, NC, down to Fort Lauderdale, across Alligator Alley, end up in Lower Alabama, that'd leave a near-1000 mile day to get back home. We need around 40 riders to break the record. Anyone here interested? I'm doing it. Horkster ------------------------------------------------------------------ Me! And for the very reason to shut them up already! Todd (Springfield, VA) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 6 09:02:31 2001 Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 9:02 -0500 From: "Tuan Diep" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: SV windshield Does anyone know where I can get a good small windshield for the SV650? THanks. Tuan From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 6 09:09:29 2001 Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 06:09:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Scratch Subject: RE: Horns To: MJordan666@XXXXXX, DCC Michael J. wrote... "I just put a set of Fiamms on that I got for Christmas a year or so back. " I really like my Fiamm horn too. It makes 'em think there's a '71 Ford Galaxy 500 next to 'em. I scared the poop out of a cager on Sterling Blvd the other day. I watched him drifting back and forth, and when he finally drifted a little too far into my lane, I gave him the TOOT (next to his open window). He jumped so high, I think he banged his head on the roof of the car. :) Much more conducive to survival than my original vintage Lucas horn. Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 6 10:19:25 2001 Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 10:19:17 -0400 From: Chuck Pena To: DC Cycles CC: parr@XXXXXX, novamgr@XXXXXX Subject: Bike Night @ The Rock Just a reminder to y'all that this Saturday, June 9th is Bike Night @ The Rock in DC from 5pm to 9pm. We have the parking lot adjacent to The Rock reserved for motorcycles. The rooftop will be open. Motorcycle videos on the big screen. Should be loads of fun. More info at http://www.geocities.com/bikenight If you're not going to the beach, you'd better be at The Rock! Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 6 10:24:20 2001 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: SV windshield Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 10:12:45 -0400 You might try Arizona Motorsports. Looks like they have the Givi, and maybe could get the National Cycle one I've seen elsewhere. They're very good to us on the VFR list. http://store.yahoo.com/azmotorsports/suzukisv650.html http://www.nationalcycle.com/ Hope it helps. Rob '98 VFR800 ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Tuan Diep" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: SV windshield Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 9:02 -0500 Does anyone know where I can get a good small windshield for the SV650? THanks. Tuan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 6 10:32:00 2001 Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 10:31:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Horns --============_-1220284587==_ma============ >It now goes "GO HOME AND CHANGE YOUR UNDERWARE!" Underware? Is that something that you put under your computer? You've been in the Eastern Technology Corridor too long...... -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #230 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html --============_-1220284587==_ma============ Re: Horns
It now goes "GO HOME AND CHANGE YOUR UNDERWARE!"


Underware? Is that something that you put under your computer? You've been in the Eastern Technology Corridor too long......

--
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #230 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html
--============_-1220284587==_ma============-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 6 10:46:38 2001 From: "Randy Moran" To: "Suzookus Maximus" , "DC Cycles List" Subject: RE: Footpeg Riding Style Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 07:41:54 -0400 I always ride with the balls of my feet on the pegs. Don't know if it's better or not but it just feels better and it's also less likely that I'll scuff my toes at heavy lean angles. I suppose the "foot closer to the brake pedal" is a valid point, but in my case I don't use the back brake at all so it doesn't matter. Randy -----Original Message----- From: Suzookus Maximus [mailto:suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 10:52 PM To: DC Cycles List Subject: Footpeg Riding Style Wanted to get some opinions from you all about where you put your feet on the pegs. :) Personally, I like to ride with ball of my foot on the peg and just move it up a little to shift or brake. I was thinking that it might be better just to ride with the middle of my foot centered on the peg. However it always feels kind of weird to me to keep it there for long. I don't usually have to shift that much on my bike on most streets or back roads; I usually stick it in third or fourth and ride up and down the powerband. Anything above that tends to get me into 'wreckless' territory. :0 Recently, I was thinking that the extra tenths of a second might save me someday with the right foot that much closer to the brake and it might be worth 'get-n used to.' Comments? -jeff ===== ->bike: '00 GSX-R750 ->email: suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX ->web: http://profiles.yahoo.com/suzookusmaximus __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 6 11:05:13 2001 Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 11:05:00 -0400 From: Chuck Pena To: Tuan Diep CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: SV windshield Tuan, The June 2001 issue of "Motorcyclist" had an article about "hopping up" an SV. The pic they had showed a Suzuki add-on quarter fairing color-matched (red, in this case) to the bike. Seemed kinda pricey at a suggested retail of $429.99, however. But along with the Targa solo seat cowl, gave the naked SV a really nice look. Chuck, aka Deerhunter Tuan Diep wrote: > > Does anyone know where I can get a good small windshield for the SV650? > THanks. Tuan -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 6 11:10:34 2001 From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: new article up... Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 11:12:12 -0400 article 2 of mine is up on www.roadracers.com :-) Laura From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 6 11:27:29 2001 Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 10:25:25 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: SV windshield Tuan, Check out the archives on svrider.com, there is a ton of info on different windscreens/fairings. A lot of people seem to like the Buell flyscreen. I had a Targa on my SV, It took a lot of wind off of your mid section, but the windblast was directed right into my helmet and created lots of wind noise. The hole for the headlight was smaller than the light and at night the inside of the fairing was all lit up. I added some foam rubber to fix that. Regards, George Cole George M Cole Technology Consultant www.boisetech.com 301-523-4161 FAX 1-888-240-3154 >>> "Tuan Diep" 06/06 9:20 AM >>> Does anyone know where I can get a good small windshield for the SV650? THanks. Tuan From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 6 11:29:46 2001 From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: Check out todd's article Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 11:31:24 -0400 after many, many months of waiting...I wanted to announce that Todd's article is up on the DC Cycles site in the articles section. My public apology goes out to Todd for it taking so long!!! Laura From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 6 11:53:20 2001 From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: for those that don't understand Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 11:54:58 -0400 when you go to the member bios section, you will get to a main page. when you click on the bios link, it will take you to a page that has letters, and a list of names...the list of names are not links yet. click on a-c, d-e, etc. and it will take you to the list members bios. I figured it was easier than scrolling through an entire list of names...you could see the members names, and then click in to see their bios. the way the page was set up with tables before, I was unable to make changes or add new ones with my limited HTML experience...this way I can add bios quickly and easily. Laura From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 6 13:03:20 2001 From: Cedric Bernescut To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Horns Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 13:02:43 -0400 It's moments like this that make life worth living :) Cedric He jumped so high, I think he banged his head on the roof of the car. :) Rich From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 6 13:36:31 2001 From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: FW: Budds Creek Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 13:36:34 -0400 X-SLUIDL: 96863673-5A9211D5-8E080060-08C770E5 try again, bounced off of my server. -----Original Message----- From: Jon Strang [mailto:jmstrang@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 12:46 PM To: DC Cycles Subject: Budds Creek Anyone going? --jon (newbie to this list and lurker for about 30 hours) 2001 Suzuki Bandit 1200 (black and nekkid) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 6 14:43:59 2001 From: "Greg Thompson" To: Subject: riding to hoot Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 14:44:55 -0400 i'm looking for one or more riding buddies for the hoot in two weeks. my plan is: leave dc area on tues (19th) sometime in the late afternoon ride halfway, stop for dinner/motel wake up weds and finish the ride anyone care to join me? -- -greg From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 6 15:10:25 2001 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 14:10:17 -0500 Subject: rain tire advice needed I looked at our archives (which are way out of date - attn. maintainer!) for hints. I have BT56 (I think) on my newly acquired race bike (GS500E) but apparently they don't do too well in the wet. (PO lowsided in drizzle. blamed the tires - no comment on my part) So, seeing as how track days, various track schools, and what have you run rain or shine I'd like to know what tires I should look at. Are plain ol' street tires (eg. Metzler Z4, Mich Pilot's, BT10/20's) perfect for this duty? Or is there something unique to "rains". Or since I'm a rank newbie should I just ride? -- "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, they should have voted to convict." _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 6 15:38:37 2001 Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 15:33:07 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: rain tire advice needed Rain tires are super sticky and deeply grooved. They provide amazing traction in the wet. However, don't use them in the dry; they will chunk up and fly apart in less time than you would think possible. DOT tires are ok for wet racing/track use, but you must ride very easy. If you look at most DOT race tires, the tread stops 1/2" from the edge of the tire. If you hit that "slick" edge in the wet, you will experience a marked decrease in available traction. (Don't ask me how I know this.) The grooves on street DOT's goes out farther. -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #230 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 6 16:36:42 2001 Content-return: allowed Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 16:36:07 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: RE: riding to hoot To: "'Greg Thompson'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Greg, I'd ride with you, but I'm going down early on the 15th to visit family for a few days prior. I may be free to head back on the 23rd, but am considering a quick run up to Indiana before heading home so don't know my route yet. If you'd like to hook up for a beer or something while the Hoot is going on, please email me off-list and I'll give you my cell. I'll have it with me in Knoxville and wouldn't mind meeting up with a fellow lister. -Calvin Ledford '00VFR800 Interceptor '84 VF500F Interceptor -----Original Message----- From: Greg Thompson [mailto:johnnyteardrop@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 2:45 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: riding to hoot i'm looking for one or more riding buddies for the hoot in two weeks. my plan is: leave dc area on tues (19th) sometime in the late afternoon ride halfway, stop for dinner/motel wake up weds and finish the ride anyone care to join me? -- -greg From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 6 16:54:48 2001 Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 16:54:30 -0400 To: ielliott@XXXXXX, "Palmisano, Chris" , Jason Kopp , Jennifer Addie , squeekygal@XXXXXX, renee@XXXXXX, dshaub@XXXXXX, tfowler@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, katieareynolds@XXXXXX, thomasajordan@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Team Jordan Racing in the news! --============_-1220261624==_ma============ Local Man Engages in Death-Defying Sport Roiters Jun 6 2001 4:12PM STERLING (Reuters) - During the week, twenty-two-year-old Sean Jordan can be found behind his desk analyzing computer systems and diagnosing problems for mega-ISP UUNET Technologies. Plain in appearance and mild in demeanor, he blends into the background and appears to be average in all respects. Not on the weekends, however. As owner and team captain of Team Jordan Racing, (an affiliate of DC-Cycles Racing), he participates in the most dangerous and visually dramatic motorsport in the world: motorcycle roadracing. Brightly colored machines, leather-clad riders, speeds topping 180 miles per hour at some tracks, engines howling, knees dragging. On most weekends in the summer, at racetracks throughout the country, hundreds of racers gather to race and socialize and, most importantly, to push themselves and their machines to the limit. Why does he do this? "I've always enjoyed motorsports of all kinds." he says, "I had been riding a motorcycles for years when I met some guys that were into road-racing. A friend of mine loaned me his old race bike, and I gave it a try. I was instantly hooked!" =46ellow teammate Randy Moran, (team-mentor) reflected on his 10 year career as road-racer. "I was instantly captivated by the terrible beauty and grace of the sport.", he says, and most enjoys "the camaraderie between racers." But you don't have to race, or even own a motorcycle to enjoy roadracing. This Saturday and Sunday, Team Jordan Racing will be competing at Summit Point Raceway, West Virginia. A 60 minute drive from Northern Virginia, Summit Point is set in the beautiful foothills of the Appalachian mountains. Entries fees on Sunday are $15, and there will be plenty of beverages and snacks for all guests of Team Jordan/DC-Cycles Racing. Please contact Sean for further information and directions. Copyright =A9 2001 Roiters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Roiters content, including by framing or similiar means, is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Roiters. Roiters shall not be liable for any errors or delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon. --============_-1220261624==_ma============ Team Jordan Racing in the news!
Local Man Engages in Death-Defying Sport
Roiters
Jun 6 2001 4:12PM
STERLING (Reuters) - During the week, twenty-two-year-old Sean Jordan can be found behind his desk analyzing computer systems and diagnosing problems for mega-ISP UUNET Technologies. Plain in appearance and mild in demeanor, he blends into the background and appears to be average in all respects.

Not on the weekends, however.

As owner and team captain of Team Jordan Racing, (an affiliate of DC-Cycles Racing), he participates in the most dangerous and visually dramatic motorsport in the world: motorcycle roadracing. Brightly colored machines, leather-clad riders, speeds topping 180 miles per hour at some tracks, engines howling, knees dragging. On most weekends in the summer, at racetracks throughout the country, hundreds of racers gather to race and socialize and, most importantly, to push themselves and their machines to the limit.

Why does he do this?

"I've always enjoyed motorsports of all kinds." he says, "I had been riding a motorcycles for years when I met some guys that were into road-racing. A friend of mine loaned me his old race bike, and I gave it a try. I was instantly hooked!"

Fellow teammate Randy Moran, (team-mentor) reflected on his 10 year career as road-racer.  "I was instantly captivated by the terrible beauty and grace of the sport.", he says, and most enjoys "the camaraderie between racers."

But you don't have to race, or even own a motorcycle to enjoy roadracing. This Saturday and Sunday, Team Jordan Racing will be competing at Summit Point Raceway, West Virginia. A 60 minute drive from Northern Virginia, Summit Point is set in the beautiful foothills of the Appalachian mountains. Entries fees on Sunday are $15, and there will be plenty of beverages and snacks for all guests of Team Jordan/DC-Cycles Racing. Please contact Sean for further information and directions.


Copyright =A9 2001 Roiters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Roiters content, including by framing or similiar means, is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Roiters. Roiters shall not be liable for any errors or delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon.
--============_-1220261624==_ma============-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 6 17:05:03 2001 From: "Laura Granato" To: Cc: "Cassandra Eckert" Subject: Fw: Biker Bash Cancer Fundraiser Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 17:06:40 -0400 I am passing this along. Although I won't be in town this day, if I were here, I would be. If anyone can attend, I think it would be great! Not only does it sound like a lot of fun, it helps a good cause. Laura Granato '99 suzuki GS500E (street bike) '00 Aprilia rs250 (race bike) www.dccycles.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cassandra Eckert" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 4:32 PM Subject: Biker Bash Cancer Fundraiser > I was hoping you could take a few minutes and post this cancer > fundraising event on your website calendar. It would mean so much to so > many. Please let me know if you are able to do so. If not, please feel > free to inform your friends of the event. It is sure to be a good time. > > Biker Bash : Helping Kids "Kick Cancer" > > Join G. Gordon Liddy, Brett Conway, Steven Alexander, Champ Bailey, & > Corey Raymer of the Washington Redskins, former Super Bowl Champion > Ricky Ervins, and local sports talents and media personalities. You > don't have to have a bike to have fun. Come by the Birchmere and watch > the riders roll in!!! $20 Bash only per person. $25 pre-registration per > > person. > > Sunday June 24th 2001 > Registration begins at 10 am. Ride begins at 12 noon. > Route: From 9407 Livingston Road, Fort Washington, MD 20744 to the > Birchmere 3701 Mt. Vernon Ave. Alexandria VA, 2230 (approx. 29 miles) > > Bash: Celebrate at the Birchmere in Alexandria. Meet & greet celebrity > riders and enjoy an afternoon of fun, food & live music. > > What to do: > 1st Gear: SIGN UP (driver and passenger must register separately) > > 2nd Gear: RAISE MONEY (ask friends, relatives, and business associates > to sponsor you by making a tax deductable donation to the Leukemia & > Lymphoma Society. > > 3rd Gear: MAKE YOUR RIDE COUNT (Turn in your sponsor envelope and > donations on the day of the ride) > > Fundraising Incentives! > > $20 Gets you admission to bash only. > > $25/35 Bash admission and commemorative event pin. > > $100 Event T-shirt, all of the above, PLUS unlimited food & total of 3 > beverage tickets. > > $250 Event Polo shirt, autographed photo of Brett Conway of the > Washington Redskins & all of the above. > > $500 Name entered in drawing for 2 Redskins' tickets & all of the above. > > $1,000 Named entered in drawing for an official Harley-Davidson jacket > autographed by Washington Redskins' players & personally autographed to > the winner by "Wille G" of Harley Davidson. Also your picture with Brett > > Conway in front of a Harley, and all of the above. > > *Event polo shirts & autographed photos will be mailed after the ride. > > For more information and registration forms please call Erin Ward @ > 301-248-1200. > > Thank you, > > Cassandra Eckert > Editor in Chief > DCity Magazine > http://www.dcitymag.com > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 6 17:32:32 2001 Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 14:32:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX what the hell is roiters? is this a spoof? an autobiography? death-defying? whatever. i wish the yanker would stop yanking. --- Sean Jordan wrote: > Local Man Engages in Death-Defying Sport > Roiters ===== tg check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 6 17:45:33 2001 Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 14:45:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! So are there a lot of members on the Jordan racing team or is it an army of one? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 6 17:54:52 2001 Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 17:54:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! >what the hell is roiters? A spoof of "reuters". > is this a spoof? Yes. Didn't I just say that? > an >autobiography? Sort of. > >death-defying? Road-racing = death-defying. Fellow racers, back me up on this. WSDYMOFO Rides are not death-defying. Bring your 996 out to the track sometime, pretty boy. Me and my 400 will show you "death-defying". > whatever. whatever times infinity. Ha! I win. Sucker. > >i wish the yanker would stop yanking. What's got you so convinced that I'm the yanker anyways? I've never had to hide behind a fabricated persona to voice my opinions. I think it's Randy Moran. Go read his past posts; he's mister enlightened verbosity man. This was just a fun way to tell everyone that it's another race-weekend at Summit point, and that they should come out to drink beer and spectate, and NOT spend that money on pizza and a movie with their loved-one. -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #230 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 6 18:04:14 2001 Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 18:02:04 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! > So are there a lot of members on the Jordan racing team or >is it an army of one? Team Jordan Racing is comprised of several dedicated, talented individuals. Team Owner: Sean Jordan Team Captain: Sean Jordan Principal Rider: Sean Jordan Chief Mechanic: Sean Jordan Endurance Riders: Randy Moran & Randy Nusbaum And also anyone that has the last name "Jordan". That's why we're here. To bring awareness towards to issues that Jordans everywhere face every day. Or something like that. -- Sean Jordan Macintosh Systems Analyst (703)-886-7661 UUNET Technologies A WORLDCOM Company From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 6 18:13:27 2001 From: "Laura Granato" To: , "Sean Jordan" Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 18:14:57 -0400 > > This was just a fun way to tell everyone that it's another > race-weekend at Summit point, and that they should come out to drink > beer and spectate, and NOT spend that money on pizza and a movie with > their loved-one. > I second that! And, you can even get back in time for bike night. Come watch Jordan and I duel it out on the track. It's on suck-aaaaaaaaaa. LAG From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 6 18:17:02 2001 X-Apparently-From: From: "rydin" To: Subject: RE: Team Jordan Racing in the news! Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 18:15:16 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C0EEB4.A3EB3A80 Team Jordan Racing in the news!Eh...so there will be snacks huh ? Niv BMW F650ST -----Original Message----- From: Sean Jordan [mailto:sean.jordan@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 1:55 PM To: ielliott@XXXXXX; Palmisano, Chris; Jason Kopp; Jennifer Addie; squeekygal@XXXXXX; renee@XXXXXX; dshaub@XXXXXX; tfowler@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; katieareynolds@XXXXXX; thomasajordan@XXXXXX Subject: Team Jordan Racing in the news! "...and there will be plenty of beverages and snacks for all guests of Team Jordan/DC-Cycles Racing. " ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C0EEB4.A3EB3A80 Team Jordan Racing in the news!
Eh...so there will be snacks huh = ?
 
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"...and there will be plenty of beverages and = snacks for all=20 guests of Team Jordan/DC-Cycles Racing. "
 
------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C0EEB4.A3EB3A80-- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 6 18:49:56 2001 From: "Laura Granato" To: "rydin" , Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 18:51:31 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0432_01C0EEB9.B397BBC0 Team Jordan Racing in the news!according to Jordan, he will have snacks = for everyone. Can we put in requests? ;-) Laura ----- Original Message -----=20 From: rydin=20 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 9:15 PM Subject: RE: Team Jordan Racing in the news! Eh...so there will be snacks huh ? Niv BMW F650ST -----Original Message----- From: Sean Jordan [mailto:sean.jordan@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 1:55 PM To: ielliott@XXXXXX; Palmisano, Chris; Jason Kopp; Jennifer = Addie; squeekygal@XXXXXX; renee@XXXXXX; dshaub@XXXXXX; tfowler@XXXXXX; = dc-cycles@XXXXXX; katieareynolds@XXXXXX; = thomasajordan@XXXXXX Subject: Team Jordan Racing in the news! "...and there will be plenty of beverages and snacks for all guests = of Team Jordan/DC-Cycles Racing. " =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0432_01C0EEB9.B397BBC0 Team Jordan Racing in the news!
according to Jordan, he will have = snacks for=20 everyone. Can we put in requests? ;-)
Laura
 
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"...and there will be plenty of beverages = and snacks=20 for all guests of Team Jordan/DC-Cycles Racing. "
 
------=_NextPart_000_0432_01C0EEB9.B397BBC0-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 6 18:56:27 2001 Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 18:56:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Fw: Biker Bash Cancer Fundraiser Cc: "Laura Granato" At 05:06 PM 6/6/01, Laura wrote: >... Although I won't be in town this day, if I were >here, I would be. Not by any chance a Dubbya speech writer, are you? 8;) -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 6 19:11:29 2001 From: "Laura Granato" To: , "Larry Larson" Subject: Re: Fw: Biker Bash Cancer Fundraiser Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 19:12:46 -0400 Although I won't be in town this day, if I were > >here, I would be. > > > Not by any chance a Dubbya speech writer, are you? 8;) > > -- Larry > Right now I really wish I were...I, too, am riding the jobless train...anyone needing any freelance copyediting or writing...feel free to contact me!! :-) Laura From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 6 19:37:45 2001 Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 16:37:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Hawk in Distress To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I saw a Honda Hawk with an electrical problem this afternoon on Beach Drive. Any chance it was a list member? I would have stayed chatted longer (I was on the red/white/blue CBR), but that would have entailed continuing to block all southbound traffic. I must admit I was surprised to see the Hawk with almost the same exact problem I had experienced this morning; specifically rough idling and a wandering tach. Pulling a spider's nest out from under the rubber covers which house the wires from the battery to the starter relay switch solved my problem. How did you make out? Adam Reinhardt 89 CBR __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 6 20:07:48 2001 Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 17:07:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Sean Jordan wrote: > >death-defying? > > Road-racing = death-defying. Fellow racers, back me up on > this. WSDYMOFO Rides are not death-defying. Bring your > 996 out to the track sometime, pretty boy. Me and my 400 > will show you "death-defying". how many people died last year at summit or other local tracks? a closed-course environment with a high level of body protection just doesn't qualify as death-defying to me. and i don't think our rides are either....i wouldn't want to be a part of a weekly "death-defying" activity. you want "death-defying"? take up cliff diving or some other insane sport. > > whatever. > > whatever times infinity. Ha! I win. Sucker. > > > > >i wish the yanker would stop yanking. > > What's got you so convinced that I'm the yanker anyways? > I've never had to hide behind a fabricated persona to > voice my opinions. I think it's Randy Moran. Go read his > past posts; he's mister enlightened verbosity man. YOU are Dick E. Anker. actually, most people knew that one before i did, judging by the responses i got after my last post on this topic. > This was just a fun way to tell everyone that it's > another race-weekend at Summit point, and that they > should come out to drink beer and spectate, and NOT spend > that money on pizza and a movie with their loved-one. fine. i apparently lost that message buried somewhere in the bullshit. but, i certainly did not miss your attempt to display your balls to me and the list. i have no interest in getting out on the racetrack with some young punk with an attitude. i wonder if anyone here does....hmmmm ===== tg check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 6 20:17:59 2001 From: RacerGirl435@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 20:17:45 EDT Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/6/01 7:05:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Laura Granato writes: << Team Jordan Racing in the news!according to Jordan, he will have snacks = for everyone. Can we put in requests? ;-) Laura>> Hey Laura! You and Roach are then ones with the Aprilia RS250's! Why don't YOU guys buy beer and snacks for everybody eh!? hehe Non-motorcycle having wanna be racing an Aprilia RS250, Jess From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 6 20:42:07 2001 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: Team Jordan Racing in the news! Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 20:44:19 -0400 Gimer contributed: --- Sean Jordan wrote: > >death-defying? > > Road-racing = death-defying. Fellow racers, back me up on > this. WSDYMOFO Rides are not death-defying. Bring your > 996 out to the track sometime, pretty boy. Me and my 400 > will show you "death-defying". how many people died last year at summit or other local tracks? a closed-course environment with a high level of body protection just doesn't qualify as death-defying to me. and i don't think our rides are either....i wouldn't want to be a part of a weekly "death-defying" activity. Now THIS is more like it. A little flavor for the list. A good ol' fashioned flame fest, in the tradition of Squeakers :) you want "death-defying"? take up cliff diving or some other insane sport. Yeah. Like fessing up to the porn number charges on the Amex bill to the wife... > > whatever. > > whatever times infinity. Ha! I win. Sucker. > > > > >i wish the yanker would stop yanking. > > What's got you so convinced that I'm the yanker anyways? > I've never had to hide behind a fabricated persona to > voice my opinions. I think it's Randy Moran. Go read his > past posts; he's mister enlightened verbosity man. YOU are Dick E. Anker. actually, most people knew that one before i did, judging by the responses i got after my last post on this topic. Damn. I'd almost forgotten Yanker... > This was just a fun way to tell everyone that it's > another race-weekend at Summit point, and that they > should come out to drink beer and spectate, and NOT spend > that money on pizza and a movie with their loved-one. fine. i apparently lost that message buried somewhere in the bullshit. but, i certainly did not miss your attempt to display your balls to me and the list. i have no interest in getting out on the racetrack with some young punk with an attitude. i wonder if anyone here does....hmmmm Tom, use your... uh... well... experience, yeah, experience & skill. Go out & watch, help in the pits... a little clear nail polish on the plug leads, loosen the kill switch, super glue on the leather zippers, but whatever you do, DON"T put the fiberglass insulation dust in his leathers... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 7 02:21:15 2001 From: "James Reazor" To: "DC Cycles List" Subject: Re: East Coast BBG Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 01:46:43 -0400 I have 2 questions. What does BBG stand for and, since there is no date listed, will it be scheduled over a weekend. I'm all for shushing self-proclaimed big dawgs regardless of where they're from, I just don't want to burn too much vacation time to do it. -James '00 SV650 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Horstman" To: "DC Cycles List" Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 9:45 AM Subject: East Coast BBG > Just trying to guage the interest in an East Coast BBG > group record attempt in order to shush the self-proclaimed > big dawgs out west. Mid July, start in Raleigh, NC, down > to Fort Lauderdale, across Alligator Alley, end up in Lower > Alabama, that'd leave a near-1000 mile day to get back home. > > We need around 40 riders to break the record. Anyone > here interested? I'm doing it. > > Horkster > > -- > Mandatory second line (CM tm) > > Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 27 of 99 done. > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer > '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi > '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 7 06:52:49 2001 Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 03:52:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: East Coast BBG To: James Reazor , DC Cycles List --- James Reazor wrote: > I have 2 questions. What does BBG stand for and, since there is no date > listed, will it be scheduled over a weekend. I'm all for shushing > self-proclaimed big dawgs regardless of where they're from, I just don't > want to burn too much vacation time to do it. BBG = Bun Burner Gold = minimum 1,500 miles in 24 hrs. The folks out west did 1,609 miles in under 24 hrs. You can find more information on the Iron Butt pages: (http://www.ironbutt.com) Dale, keep this one rule in mind though, when recruiting people: The Bun Burner GOLD is a member of the Iron Butt Association's Extreme Ride series. Before you can apply for any ride referenced by these rules, you must be a successful finisher of either the SaddleSore 1000, SaddleSore 2000, 50cc Quest, Alberta 2000, Capitol 1000, ... (*snip* or other recognized 24 hr rallies, deleted long example list) See: http://www.ironbutt.com/intro/bb/bbg.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 7 08:09:18 2001 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: re: Check out todd's article Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 08:07:31 -0400 From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: Check out todd's article Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 11:31:24 -0400 after many, many months of waiting...I wanted to announce that Todd's article is up on the DC Cycles site in the articles section. My public apology goes out to Todd for it taking so long!!! Laura ----------------------------------------------------------- Accepted and thanks! I just figured you had so many pots on the fire it just got overlooked. Todd (Springfield) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 7 08:14:44 2001 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 08:12:59 -0400 Sean Jordan wrote (Following Tom Gimer): > >death-defying? Road-racing = death-defying. Fellow racers, back me up on this. WSDYMOFO Rides are not death-defying. ----> They are when you attend Sean! ;-) > >i wish the yanker would stop yanking. What's got you so convinced that I'm the yanker anyways? I've never had to hide behind a fabricated persona to voice my opinions. I think it's Randy Moran. Go read his past posts; he's mister enlightened verbosity man. ----> There has been some speculation that it was you Sean except that the ----> yanker rides a Gixer on the Street. Does Randy ride a GSXR on the ----> street? This was just a fun way to tell everyone that it's another race-weekend at Summit point, and that they should come out to drink beer and spectate, and NOT spend that money on pizza and a movie with their loved-one. ----> This will be another weekend out of town for me. Good luck to ----> ALL racers and hope there is no RAIN!!! ----> Todd (Springfield, VA) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 7 08:23:32 2001 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 07:23:27 -0500 Subject: another MAW free shipping day Since I'm still stuck on digest mode (hello, moderator!!) I can't tell if it's already been posted or not. One interesting difference this time around. Tires incur shipping charges. I guess they got massively burnt by that one last round. Pity, I thought that was the best part. Should have ordered more... -- "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, they should have voted to convict." _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 7 08:56:49 2001 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 08:56:31 EDT Subject: Snacks - was: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --part1_7c.16d6f3be.2850d3ff_boundary >Eh...so there will be snacks huh ? Team Jordan progenitor here, knowing my elder son, I would get him to precisely define the word "snack" prior to making dinner plans. Michael J. --part1_7c.16d6f3be.2850d3ff_boundary >Eh...so there will be snacks huh ?

Team Jordan progenitor here, knowing my elder son, I would get him to
precisely define the word "snack" prior to making dinner plans.

Michael J.






--part1_7c.16d6f3be.2850d3ff_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 7 09:01:35 2001 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 09:01:24 EDT Subject: Re: East Coast BBG To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --part1_34.162c5c44.2850d524_boundary Dale, this could be interesting - when? Michael J. --part1_34.162c5c44.2850d524_boundary Dale, this could be interesting - when?

Michael J.
--part1_34.162c5c44.2850d524_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 7 09:22:39 2001 Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 09:16:42 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 4-sale Within a week or so I'll be putting two motorcycles up for sale, part of my late friend's estate. One is Kawasaki Eliminator 600, number two a Yamaha Virago 750 V-Twin. Year and milage to be determined this coming week If anyone is interested in cages, got them too. A 2001 Prowler for those with a loose 40+K in their jeans - 2400 miles. A `90 something Olds 4-door sedan, lo-milage special - 44K, and a vintage `73 (?) Cadilac convertable, fresh rebuild on the engine, body is rough. If interested contact me off list - bhuson@XXXXXX, or call (703) 256-3115 even. Official details as soon as I examine same and obtain titles. Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 7 10:16:35 2001 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 10:16:21 EDT Subject: Re: Footpeg Riding Style To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/6/2001 7:10:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > --- Suzookus Maximus wrote: > > Wanted to get some opinions from you all about where > > you put your feet on the pegs. :) When racing cross country (Enduro) we always rode standing on the balls of our feet, that way when you hit a stump (Or another rider) it knocked your foot off the peg instead of folding it under and breaking it. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 7 10:34:54 2001 From: "Jon Strang" To: , Subject: RE: Footpeg Riding Style Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 10:34:57 -0400 X-SLUIDL: 0F9FEF21-5B4311D5-8E080060-08C770E5 I learned that lesson the hard way. --jon w/ nine toes -----Original Message----- From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX [mailto:PenguinBiker@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 10:16 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Footpeg Riding Style In a message dated 6/6/2001 7:10:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > --- Suzookus Maximus wrote: > > Wanted to get some opinions from you all about where > > you put your feet on the pegs. :) When racing cross country (Enduro) we always rode standing on the balls of our feet, that way when you hit a stump (Or another rider) it knocked your foot off the peg instead of folding it under and breaking it. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 7 11:07:04 2001 Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 10:59:21 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! --============_-1220196534==_ma============ >how many people died last year at summit or other local >tracks? More than a handful. Probably 1.9 metric handfuls. > a closed-course environment with a high level of >body protection just doesn't qualify as death-defying to >me. There are varying levels of death-defiance. Cliff diving has a much higher risk of death, and therefore a higher level of defiance. (Unless you're suicidal.) I wouldn't say that the sport is "not" death-defying. > and i don't think our rides are either.... That's what I said. Didn't I say they're rides weren't death defying? Am I missing something here? Are you mocking me? Do you want to fight!?? Huh? HUNH?! YOU TRYING TO START SOMETHING LAWYER BOY.....Oh, what's that? You're not trying to start something? Oh, ok. You're no fun. >i wouldn't >want to be a part of a weekly "death-defying" activity. That's ok. Neither would I. That's why I only race once or twice a month at most. > >you want "death-defying"? take up cliff diving or some >other insane sport. See, to participate in an "insane sport", you need to be insane. See, no sport is inherently insane. The sport is defined by the people who participate in it.....uh...which would make roadracing an insane sport. Ok, bad argument. Let me try this again..... > > >i wish the yanker would stop yanking. >> >> What's got you so convinced that I'm the yanker anyways? >> I've never had to hide behind a fabricated persona to >> voice my opinions. I think it's Randy Moran. Go read his >> past posts; he's mister enlightened verbosity man. > >YOU are Dick E. Anker. actually, most people knew that one >before i did, judging by the responses i got after my last >post on this topic. First person to conclusively prove that I am Mr. Yanker gets an autographed picture of Team Jordan Racing. (Or a reasonable facsimile thereof. Offer void in Hawaii, Alaska, and Canada.) > > This was just a fun way to tell everyone that it's >> another race-weekend at Summit point, and that they > > should come out to drink beer and spectate, and NOT spend >> that money on pizza and a movie with their loved-one. > >fine. i apparently lost that message buried somewhere in >the bullshit. Don't worry, nobody else did. I won't hold your lack of reading comprehension against you. :P >but, i certainly did not miss your attempt >to display your balls to me and the list. 1. If I wanted to "display" my balls to everyone on the list, I would upload a .jpg file to my web-hosting service and post a URL. However, I'm very shy when it comes to displaying my balls, so don't nobody hold there breath. 2. Tom, here's your phrase of the day. tongue-in-cheek adj. a. Meant or expressed ironically or facetiously. b. Cleverly amusing in tone; "a bantering tone"; "facetious remarks"; "tongue-in-cheek advice" [syn: bantering, facetious] adv 1: in a bantering fashion; "he spoke to her banteringly" [syn: banteringly] 2: not seriously; "I meant it facetiously" [syn: facetiously, jokingly] >i have no >interest in getting out on the racetrack with some young >punk with an attitude. Hey, I am not a punk! I hate the Sex Pistols! > i wonder if anyone here >does....hmmmm Obivously Laura and Roach do, or they wouldn't haul my attitude-laden, ball displaying, punk ass around or let me pit with them. (Thanks again, guys!)....Randy Moran and Danny Thompson don't seem to mind either. (Hope you feel better soon Danny!) I think you're jealous that no one wants to ride on the track with YOU, Tom. But that's ok. Not everyone can be as cool as me. Don't sweat it. Egads, man, lighten up! Although if I had to ride a 996 for a streetbike, I'm sure I'd end up a hardass too. Tee-hee. -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #230 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html --============_-1220196534==_ma============ Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news!
how many people died last year at summit or other local
tracks?

More than a handful. Probably 1.9 metric handfuls.
 a closed-course environment with a high level of
body protection just doesn't qualify as death-defying to
me.

There are varying levels of death-defiance. Cliff diving has a much higher risk of death, and therefore a higher level of defiance. (Unless you're suicidal.) I wouldn't say that the sport is "not" death-defying.

  and i don't think our rides are either....

That's what I said. Didn't I say they're rides weren't death defying? Am I missing something here? Are you mocking me? Do you want to fight!?? Huh? HUNH?! YOU TRYING TO START SOMETHING LAWYER BOY.....Oh, what's that? You're not trying to start something? Oh, ok. You're no fun.

i wouldn't
want to be a part of a weekly "death-defying" activity.

That's ok. Neither would I. That's why I only race once or twice a month at most.


you want "death-defying"?  take up cliff diving or some
other insane sport.

See, to participate in an "insane sport", you need to be insane. See, no sport is inherently insane. The sport is defined by the people who participate in it.....uh...which would make roadracing an insane sport. Ok, bad argument. Let me try this again.....

> >i wish the yanker would stop yanking.
>
> What's got you so convinced that I'm the yanker anyways?
> I've never had to hide behind a fabricated persona to
> voice my opinions. I think it's Randy Moran. Go read his
> past posts; he's mister enlightened verbosity man.

YOU are Dick E. Anker.  actually, most people knew that one
before i did, judging by the responses i got after my last
post on this topic.

First person to conclusively prove that I am Mr. Yanker gets an autographed picture of Team Jordan Racing. (Or a reasonable facsimile thereof. Offer void in Hawaii, Alaska, and Canada.)

> This was just a fun way to tell everyone that it's
> another race-weekend at Summit point, and that they
> should come out to drink beer and spectate, and NOT spend
> that money on pizza and a movie with their loved-one.

fine.  i apparently lost that message buried somewhere in
the bullshit.

Don't worry, nobody else did. I won't hold your lack of reading comprehension against you. :P

but, i certainly did not miss your attempt
to display your balls to me and the list.

1. If I wanted to "display" my balls to everyone on the list, I would upload a .jpg file to my web-hosting service and post a URL. However, I'm very shy when it comes to displaying my balls, so don't nobody hold there breath.

2. Tom, here's your phrase of the day.

tongue-in-cheek
adj.

a. Meant or expressed ironically or facetiously.
b. Cleverly amusing in tone; "a bantering tone"; "facetious remarks"; "tongue-in-cheek advice" [syn: bantering, facetious] adv 1: in a bantering fashion; "he spoke to her banteringly" [syn: banteringly] 2: not seriously; "I meant it facetiously" [syn: facetiously, jokingly]

i have no
interest in getting out on the racetrack with some young
punk with an attitude.

Hey, I am not a punk! I hate the Sex Pistols!

  i wonder if anyone here
does....hmmmm

Obivously Laura and Roach do, or they wouldn't haul my attitude-laden, ball displaying, punk ass around or let me pit with them. (Thanks again, guys!)....Randy Moran and Danny Thompson don't seem to mind either. (Hope you feel better soon Danny!) I think you're jealous that no one wants to ride on the track with YOU, Tom. But that's ok. Not everyone can be as cool as me. Don't sweat it.

Egads, man, lighten up!  Although if I had to ride a 996 for a streetbike, I'm sure I'd end up a hardass too.

Tee-hee.



--
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #230 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html
--============_-1220196534==_ma============-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 7 11:12:09 2001 Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 11:08:35 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: East Coast BBG To: James Reazor Cc: DC Cycles List James Reazor wrote: > > I have 2 questions. What does BBG stand for and, since there is no date > listed, will it be scheduled over a weekend. I'm all for shushing > self-proclaimed big dawgs regardless of where they're from, I just don't > want to burn too much vacation time to do it. James, BBG is shorthand for BunBurner Gold, the IronButt Associations (IBA) tough 1,500 mile ride in under 24 hours. Not for beginners. I *think* I can do it by using just one vacation day and the weekend, but it's gonna involve lots of hard interstate riding, and probably have me looking like hammered dog squeeze come Monday morning in the office. :) Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 27 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 7 11:18:27 2001 From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Kawasaki 2 stroke triples? Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 11:21:14 -0400 My brother just called me about a co-worker of his that has a '75 Kawasaki H1 (?) 250 2 stroke triple he wants to sell. Apparantly it's a project that was started and never finished, frame painted, lots of parts cleaned up, etc. He says it's complete and wants $100 for it. Does anyone know anything about these bikes? I'm not even sure I have the model right. Any input would be appreciated. Bruce From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 7 11:26:10 2001 Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 08:26:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: This Sat.@Bike Night, underage drinking, DWI, drugs...... To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX No, no, wait, that is at the WHITE HOUSE, not at Bike Night!!! Seriously folks, just another excuse to promote Bike Night. Bike Night makes its first appearance in DC and the first on a Saturday night. Lets have a BIG showing of DC Cycles so we can POSE with the DC Sportbike Crowd!!!! June 9th, this SATURDAY, at THE ROCK in DC. 5PM-9PM. The Rock is right next to the MCI center. We have plenty of great parking, a roof deck, videos, etc. Weather is going to be perfect too. See YA There! Check out the web site ===== http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 7 12:47:29 2001 Date: Thu, 7 Jun 1973 12:56:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: Bruce Norton cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Kawasaki 2 stroke triples? H1 was 500 cc. Good power, terrible handling. The 250 had ok handling, but not enough power. Both got miserable gas mileage. What else do you want to know? --garcia On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Bruce Norton wrote: > My brother just called me about a co-worker of his that has a '75 Kawasaki > H1 (?) 250 2 stroke triple he wants to sell. Apparantly it's a project that > was started and never finished, frame painted, lots of parts cleaned up, > etc. He says it's complete and wants $100 for it. > > Does anyone know anything about these bikes? I'm not even sure I have the > model right. Any input would be appreciated. > > Bruce > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 7 12:52:15 2001 From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Kawasaki 2 stroke triples? Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 12:54:56 -0400 Thanks for all the replies and links. I'm going to take a look at it and see what kind of shape it's in. If it's a rusted up heap then I'll pass, but if it's in fair shape then... Bruce From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 7 13:48:00 2001 Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 12:41:05 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: Kawasaki 2 stroke triples? Hey Bruce, I had two , a 350 my first bike and a 500 a few years later. They are cantankerous, noisy, smoky things. But fun to ride. About half the power comes on all at once around 5K rpm, then lookout. Don't try to ride faster than 90 MPH, though.....believe me I speak from experience. Notorious Tankslappers. Loctite everything on the bike or stuff just falls off while riding. Do a web search, there are some web sites devoted to these things. 3 cylinders, 3 plugs and 3 sets of points. Cheers, George Cole >>> "Bruce Norton" 06/07/01 11:21AM >>> My brother just called me about a co-worker of his that has a '75 Kawasaki H1 (?) 250 2 stroke triple he wants to sell. Apparantly it's a project that was started and never finished, frame painted, lots of parts cleaned up, etc. He says it's complete and wants $100 for it. Does anyone know anything about these bikes? I'm not even sure I have the model right. Any input would be appreciated. Bruce From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 7 14:13:43 2001 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 14:13:35 EDT Subject: Re: Kawasaki 2 stroke triples? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >H1 was 500 cc. Good power, terrible handling. The 250 had ok handling, >but not enough power. Both got miserable gas mileage. I don't remember a 250. I had a 350 back in '72 - it got worse mileage than my Pinto. Kawasaki also had a 750 in the lineup - would pass anything but a gas station. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 7 15:25:35 2001 From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 15:25:06 EDT Subject: For sale: LP adjustable rear stand To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Located in Centreville, VA. LP adjustable swingarm stand (not spools but the kind that adjusts to fit several sizes of swingarm). Pick up in Centreville only. $40. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 7 15:31:54 2001 Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 15:31:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Cheap Gas 2530 Cedar Lane, Vienna VA - Citgo - 6-12, 3 to 7pm 94.7 cents per gallon part of a http://www.classicrock947.com/ promotion. Worth saving some money if you are in the area and have a big tank in your cage. Be prepared for long lines. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 7 16:27:00 2001 Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 16:26:52 -0400 From: Chuck Pena To: DC Cycles Subject: Motorcycle owner again! It's taken me a little while, but I now own another m/c (replacing my GSXR that bought the big one when I hit the deer in March). Decided to go the "best bang for the buck" route, i.e., buy something fun for as cheaply as possible. Ended up being the winning bidder on a '93 FZR600 on eBay. But this is definitely not your mother's FZR! Probably the best way to describe this FZR is that it's a track bike with lights. Front forks have been re-worked with Race Tech springs and Race Tech Gold Valve Emulators. Custom fork brace. Rear shock has been replaced with Fox Twin Clicker. Rear ride height has been raised ~1". Stainless steel brake lines front and rear. HH brake pads front and rear. Steering damper. 520 conversion (DID gold chain). Full race exhaust (D&D) and stage one jetting. Upper cowl and lower fairings are stock FZR (twin headlight front). But the stock rear has been replaced with a TZ tailpiece which IMHO is much nicer looking than the ugly, boxy, bulky FZR tailpiece. Makes the bike look light and right. Probably not the prettiest (to most) bike in the world: the frame, tank, and bodywork have been re-sprayed a low-gloss flat black. But I didn't buy it for the paintjob! Need to fettle with it a bit still. Get the sag set right on the suspension. Gotta figure out a mounting system for a license plate bracket underneath the tailpiece. One of the taillight bulbs is burnt out (previous owner did a pretty trick job with the taillights on the TZ tailpiece!) Already have it titled and registered. Temp tag is "oversized" because apparently VA doesn't issue smaller m/c-size temp tags (at least they didn't have any at the DMV office). Still need to get it inspected. And get an Arlington County sticker for it. So I don't know if I'll be riding it to Bike Night @ The Rock on Saturday or not. But I'll definitely be at Bike Night. Chuck, aka Deerhunter -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 7 16:29:36 2001 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 16:29:27 EDT Subject: Re: Footpeg Riding Style To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/7/2001 10:35:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jmstrang@XXXXXX writes: > I learned that lesson the hard way. > > --jon w/ nine toes OW! John w/ two that do not work. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 7 16:39:10 2001 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 16:38:58 EDT Subject: Re: Kawasaki 2 stroke triples? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/7/2001 2:16:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MJordan666@XXXXXX writes: > Kawasaki also had a 750 in the lineup - would pass anything but a > gas station. And was known to throw the rider off at speeds over 80. 666 eh? Interesting John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 7 17:47:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f57LleO28839 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 17:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-34.patriot.net [209.249.181.34]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f57LlWk19607; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 17:47:32 -0400 Message-ID: <3B1FF512.ED57ABE5@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 17:41:39 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce Norton CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Kawasaki 2 stroke triples? References: <013401c0ef65$7fac2f60$c973c3d0@bruce> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, I owned one, a `73 I think. The crackata-crackata-crackata sound of two-stroke triple at idle is very distinctive - kinda neat. Little bugger was fast as stink but forget the twisties, I think it had nylon bushings on the swing arm. Had a minor prob with the center plug frying on long hard, hi-speed runs. I ran Sthil chain saw oil and had the oil feed dialed down so mine hardly smoked, even starting cold. Had a ton of fun on mine, probably `cause it was my first *big* bike, having thrashed a Kawi 90cc into piston rattle oblivion. The ideal size in the series was the 350. The 500 was scarey fast, and the 750 probably killed more GIs than the Viet cong. It was the king of fast, but wasn't very forgiving. Bill Bruce Norton wrote: > My brother just called me about a co-worker of his that has a '75 Kawasaki > H1 (?) 250 2 stroke triple he wants to sell. Apparantly it's a project that > was started and never finished, frame painted, lots of parts cleaned up, > etc. He says it's complete and wants $100 for it. > > Does anyone know anything about these bikes? I'm not even sure I have the > model right. Any input would be appreciated. > > Bruce From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 7 17:53:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from m1.boston.juno.com (m1.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.64]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f57Lr0O28944 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 17:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"uoyE9tvlmSM0oHP0t1pnQ2iVAW3c4WazjpSlA03tuRiKhik5r2Bacg=="> Received: (from tgroghan@XXXXXX) by m1.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id F7C4WLYV; Thu, 07 Jun 2001 17:50:42 EDT To: the_penas@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 17:45:02 -0400 Subject: Re: Motorcycle owner again! FZR webpage Message-ID: <20010607.174503.-495097.2.tgroghan@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,6-11,13-66 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Thad B Groghan Congrats! Reminds me of the 1993 FZR600 I once had... minus all the custom mods. I did have a YZF rear swingarm on mine and other neat stuff. Some pictures of it can be seen on my webpage. ALso check out what it looked like after it was crashed...by someone else( I was no longer the owner). That is by two days anyway...sad story. Thad http://www.geocities.com/tgroghan/hmpthad.html On Thu, 07 Jun 2001 16:26:52 -0400 Chuck Pena writes: > It's taken me a little while, but I now own another m/c (replacing my > GSXR that bought the big one when I hit the deer in March). Decided > to > go the "best bang for the buck" route, i.e., buy something fun for > as > cheaply as possible. Ended up being the winning bidder on a '93 > FZR600 > on eBay. But this is definitely not your mother's FZR! Probably > the > best way to describe this FZR is that it's a track bike with lights. > > Front forks have been re-worked with Race Tech springs and Race Tech > Gold Valve Emulators. Custom fork brace. Rear shock has been > replaced > with Fox Twin Clicker. Rear ride height has been raised ~1". > Stainless > steel brake lines front and rear. HH brake pads front and rear. > Steering damper. 520 conversion (DID gold chain). Full race > exhaust > (D&D) and stage one jetting. Upper cowl and lower fairings are > stock > FZR (twin headlight front). But the stock rear has been replaced > with a > TZ tailpiece which IMHO is much nicer looking than the ugly, boxy, > bulky > FZR tailpiece. Makes the bike look light and right. Probably not > the > prettiest (to most) bike in the world: the frame, tank, and bodywork > have been re-sprayed a low-gloss flat black. But I didn't buy it > for > the paintjob! > > Need to fettle with it a bit still. Get the sag set right on the > suspension. Gotta figure out a mounting system for a license plate > bracket underneath the tailpiece. One of the taillight bulbs is > burnt > out (previous owner did a pretty trick job with the taillights on > the TZ > tailpiece!) Already have it titled and registered. Temp tag is > "oversized" because apparently VA doesn't issue smaller m/c-size > temp > tags (at least they didn't have any at the DMV office). Still need > to > get it inspected. And get an Arlington County sticker for it. So I > don't know if I'll be riding it to Bike Night @ The Rock on Saturday > or > not. But I'll definitely be at Bike Night. > > Chuck, aka Deerhunter > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! 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From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 7 17:57:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f57LvNO29040 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 17:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Smurfslayer (p25.a7.du.radix.net [207.192.132.25]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA14674; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 17:57:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave Yates" To: "'Troutman'" , Subject: RE: Cheap Gas Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 18:00:31 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c0ef9d$4647fa00$1984c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20010607152947.025d8ec0@mail.wheatintl.com> Importance: Normal 2530 Cedar Lane, Vienna VA - Citgo - 6-12, 3 to 7pm 94.7 cents per gallon part of a http://www.classicrock947.com/ promotion. Worth saving some money if you are in the area and have a big tank in your cage. Be prepared for long lines. I never do anything associated with 94.7 since they fired the Greaseman. Not because I'm a die hard fan, but because his offense was nothing more than a violation of political correctness. You may not agree with his message, or the messenger himself. Similarly, you may have found his offense, well, offensive, but Stern gets away with far worse, as does Tom Joyner, a frequent Greaseman basher. Take you money elsewhere... Just my opinion... Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' '97 Cobra #5148 http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 7 18:12:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f57MC8O29323 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 18:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 1.85.bb26098 (3961); Thu, 7 Jun 2001 18:11:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85.bb26098.28515627@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 18:11:51 EDT Subject: Re: Kawasaki 2 stroke triples? To: bhuson@XXXXXX, bnorton@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 139 I raced an H1 (500cc triple) (built to look like the H1-R production racer version) in 1972 for a short while. I had been racing a Norton Commando and saw how fast the things were on the straights and thought that the guys racing them were not very good racers because I could catch most of them in the twisties. Turns out the guys that were beating me on them were not only better racers, but also had bigger cojones. I did about 4-5 races on it and went back to the Norton. The CDIs for those things are unobtainables. When they come up for sale on the Vintage Racing List the asking price is 700-800 dollars just for the CDI unit. If it doesn't spark, don't buy it. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 7 19:07:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.142]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f57N7mO00484 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 19:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010607230736.VGLJ17243.femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 16:07:36 -0700 Message-ID: <006601c0efa1$37032520$8501a8c0@Home> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: "DC Cycles List" References: <3B1CE269.12E268D3@home.com> <005601c0ef15$3c548e60$8501a8c0@Home> <3B1F98F3.5C320E22@home.com> Subject: Re: East Coast BBG Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 18:28:44 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Ooooooh.... 1500 in a day. That's a lot 'o miles. The most I've done is about 600 and the SV preformed admirably for that but I'd definitely need to get rid of the stock seat for 1500. If it were 1000 miles I'd probably give it a shot. Good luck. -James '00 SV650 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 7 20:15:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f580FfO01645 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 20:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id r.6f.1665a474 (3983); Thu, 7 Jun 2001 20:15:12 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6f.1665a474.2851730f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 20:15:11 EDT Subject: Re: Motorcycle owner again! To: the_penas@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6f.1665a474.2851730f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10513 --part1_6f.1665a474.2851730f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pictures? Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) In a message dated 6/7/2001 4:31:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > It's taken me a little while, but I now own another m/c (replacing my > GSXR that bought the big one when I hit the deer in March). Decided to > go the "best bang for the buck" route, i.e., buy something fun for as > cheaply as possible. Ended up being the winning bidder on a '93 FZR600 > on eBay. But this is definitely not your mother's FZR! Probably the > best way to describe this FZR is that it's a track bike with lights. > --part1_6f.1665a474.2851730f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pictures?

Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B)

In a message dated 6/7/2001 4:31:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes:


It's taken me a little while, but I now own another m/c (replacing my
GSXR that bought the big one when I hit the deer in March).  Decided to
go the "best bang for the buck" route, i.e., buy something fun for as
cheaply as possible.  Ended up being the winning bidder on a '93 FZR600
on eBay.  But this is definitely not your mother's FZR!  Probably the
best way to describe this FZR is that it's a track bike with lights.
--part1_6f.1665a474.2851730f_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 8 01:06:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5856KO06410 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 01:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22879 invoked by uid 1001); 8 Jun 2001 05:06:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20010608050617.22878.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 00:06:16 -0500 Subject: privateer rider instruction Do you guys know of anyone looking for basic rider education before attempting say the State test? Or somebody who's on the 3+ month waiting list for the local MSF classes who'd really like to get started sooner instead of missing most of the riding season? I've been approached by a person in my company who wants introductory level instruction and has 2 friends who'd likely also want to participate. While I obviously can't offer the official MSF stamp of approval nor the insurance credits that go with actual MSF completion, I at least can touch on the same content and drills. I have a few (nearly) ideal venues in mind but the major stickler is suitable bikes, liability and all that. Feel free to have interested parties contact me. -- "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, they should have voted to convict." _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 8 01:26:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f585QDO06667 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 01:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cp93425-a.mtgmry1.md.home.com (HELO cp93425a) (65.14.174.34) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 05:26:10 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "rydin" To: "dc-cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: Motorcycle owner again! Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 01:24:27 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c0eff4$6f19e2c0$22ae0e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3B1FE38C.83294279@ix.netcom.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 CONGRATULATIONS ! Finally. Now you can ride those dirt sections in the routes you posted ;) Niv BMW F650ST -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 1:27 PM To: DC Cycles Subject: Motorcycle owner again! It's taken me a little while, but I now own another m/c (replacing my GSXR that bought the big one when I hit the deer in March). Decided to go the "best bang for the buck" route, i.e., buy something fun for as cheaply as possible. Ended up being the winning bidder on a '93 FZR600 on eBay. But this is definitely not your mother's FZR! Probably the best way to describe this FZR is that it's a track bike with lights. Front forks have been re-worked with Race Tech springs and Race Tech Gold Valve Emulators. Custom fork brace. Rear shock has been replaced with Fox Twin Clicker. Rear ride height has been raised ~1". Stainless steel brake lines front and rear. HH brake pads front and rear. Steering damper. 520 conversion (DID gold chain). Full race exhaust (D&D) and stage one jetting. Upper cowl and lower fairings are stock FZR (twin headlight front). But the stock rear has been replaced with a TZ tailpiece which IMHO is much nicer looking than the ugly, boxy, bulky FZR tailpiece. Makes the bike look light and right. Probably not the prettiest (to most) bike in the world: the frame, tank, and bodywork have been re-sprayed a low-gloss flat black. But I didn't buy it for the paintjob! Need to fettle with it a bit still. Get the sag set right on the suspension. Gotta figure out a mounting system for a license plate bracket underneath the tailpiece. One of the taillight bulbs is burnt out (previous owner did a pretty trick job with the taillights on the TZ tailpiece!) Already have it titled and registered. Temp tag is "oversized" because apparently VA doesn't issue smaller m/c-size temp tags (at least they didn't have any at the DMV office). Still need to get it inspected. And get an Arlington County sticker for it. So I don't know if I'll be riding it to Bike Night @ The Rock on Saturday or not. But I'll definitely be at Bike Night. Chuck, aka Deerhunter -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 8 06:29:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from rmx195-mta.mail.com (rmx195-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f58AT0O12519 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 06:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web425-wra (web425-wra.mail.com [165.251.33.75]) by rmx195-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA12717 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 06:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <384953640.991996128907.JavaMail.root@web425-wra> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 06:28:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "T.B.G" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS:Michelin Pilot tires, CHEAP! 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Contact him directly if you're interested. Thanks, Kirk --- In PlanetKLX@y..., dlroy@n... wrote: I'm not riding my bike any, so I've decided to sell it. No sense in just having it sit there. It has: Stroker Headpipe SuperTrapp Exhaust (I still have the stock exhaust with the Stroker endcap.) Dynojet Kit for the carb Baja Designs Kit (Not on the bike currently) Moose Skidplate Stroker Radiator Hose Protector Enduro Engineering Handguards Moose Rollchart Holder MX # Plate MX Rear Fender Alumilite Handlebars I'm looking for a quick/easy sale, so I'm asking $3,000. I don't think I'd bargain any at that price. I can be contacted via e-mail at dlroy@n... or home phone (301) 856-9210 or work phone (202) 353-0561. I'm located in Southern Maryland just outside of Washington D.C. Darrell Roy --- End forwarded message --- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 8 14:40:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9703.mail.yahoo.com (web9703.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.139]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f58IeFO21373 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 14:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010608184013.61492.qmail@web9703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.43] by web9703.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 08 Jun 2001 11:40:13 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 11:40:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Scratch Subject: Ride to Triumph Come Home on Sunday To: DCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am meeting some friends at the McDonalds in Leesburg (965 EDWARDS FERRY RD, LEESBURG, VA 20176) on Rt. 15, just north of Rt. 7. Departure time from there is 9:00am Sunday. Three of us are going to be riding 70's Triumphs, so the pace will be relaxed. If you would like to join us, please do. Check out http://www.triumphcomehome.com/ for more info on the rally. 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------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C0F037.3AE7A120-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 8 18:41:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f58MfuO25541 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 18:41:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24-163-103-196.sp.cox.rr.com (HELO ltanner) (24.163.103.196) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2001 22:41:54 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Laid off....computer nerd in need of a job! Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 18:41:49 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20010604180521.13197.qmail@web3801.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Hey list!! I just got back from running FAST level I and II in Shannonville, Ontario and it was awesome. Didn't crash and even did a little hanging off. BTW, still unemployed so there are a few of us IT folks still looking. LindaT. Custom TankBags Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 8 20:57:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from angelfire.com (xyzzyz.whowhere.com [209.1.236.99]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f590vWO27941 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 20:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by angelfire.com; Fri Jun 8 17:57:09 2001 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 20:57:09 -0400 From: "BR VMI-1996" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: vmi-1996@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Website and Local Rides X-Sender-Ip: 63.26.198.154 Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all. I guess my first e-mail got lost over a holiday weekend, but Just wanted to introduce myself to the group. I live out in South Riding (between RT28 & RT50 and RT606 & RT50). I have two motorcycles, one road and one off road. I would like to meet up for easy paced rides (on road) and screaming through the trails and jumping (off road) with anyone interested. I have set up a few websites, the first being a brief homepage and the other being a message board. I thought that the message board could provide a more real time question and answer type forum, as well as provide the ability to link pictures and do HTML formating that at least right now is not present in the "digest" format of e-mail I currently recieve. Anyway, If you would like to try it out it is realitively painless and there is no membership required. Look forward to hearing from some of you. I meet some of you at the Bike Nite at the Carpool Matt 'Bogus1' 1991 Suzuki DR350 (w/435 Big Bore Kit) 2001 Suzuki Bandit 600S Personal Webpage http://bogus1va.tripod.com Motorcycle Discussion Board http://www.voy.com/31582/ Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 8 22:00:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([63.218.228.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5920DO29335 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 22:00:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana.wheatintl.com (iguana [63.218.228.106]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f591w6V01426 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 21:58:06 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010608215531.03649240@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 21:59:55 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Website and Local Rides In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Welcome to the group. There is a relaxed group ride out of Winchester this Sunday if you are interested. It is an all day ride through West Virginia and back to Winchester. Let me know if you want to meet up to head out there. Included below are the final plans for the June 10th Tyro ride. The ride will commence at 9:30 AM just outside Winchester on RT 50. This is a pretty central location since we have people coming from all over VA, DC, MD, and PA. There is an Exxon Gas station there on the left hand side (when heading west) about a mile or mile and a half west of RT 37. The address and phone are below. If you'd like directions from them, they are very nice. Likewise, I'd be glad to help anyone get there. 1. CATHERS MARKET US RT 50 W, WINCHESTER, VA 22601 Phone: 540-662-8219 At 08:57 PM 6/8/2001, BR VMI-1996 wrote: >Hi all. I guess my first e-mail got lost over a holiday weekend, but Just >wanted to introduce myself to the group. I live out in South Riding >(between RT28 & RT50 and RT606 & RT50). I have two motorcycles, one road >and one off road. I would like to meet up for easy paced rides (on road) >and screaming through the trails and jumping (off road) with anyone >interested. I have set up a few websites, the first being a brief >homepage and the other being a message board. I thought that the message >board could provide a more real time question and answer type forum, as >well as provide the ability to link pictures and do HTML formating that at >least right now is not present in the "digest" format of e-mail I >currently recieve. Anyway, If you would like to try it out it is >realitively painless and there is no membership required. Look forward to >hearing from some of you. I meet some of you at the Bike Nite at the Carpool _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Some list stickers still available - HUG all sold out From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 9 09:44:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13808.mail.yahoo.com (web13808.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f59DikO13160 for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2001 09:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010609134440.2325.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.131.90.35] by web13808.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 09 Jun 2001 06:44:40 PDT Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 06:44:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: BIKE NIGHT IS TONIGHT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 5-9, at THE ROCK! Check out the website....... ===== http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 10 19:16:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5ANGJO15594 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2001 19:16:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 2.18.dc0a3e5 (3926) for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2001 19:16:00 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: <18.dc0a3e5.285559af@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 19:15:59 EDT Subject: Rider Down To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_18.dc0a3e5.285559af_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10513 --part1_18.dc0a3e5.285559af_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw a downed red/silver/black GSXR on 66E at Scott Road this evening on my way home from my sisters' house. It was about 5:20pm. Didn't see any signs of the rider just a bunch of cops checking the area about a half mile away from where the bike was laying. Didn't look like too much damage to the bike. Mainly cosmetic. Anyone know anything about it? Hope it wasn't anyone on the list. Hope the rider is OK. Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) --part1_18.dc0a3e5.285559af_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw a downed red/silver/black GSXR on 66E at Scott Road this evening on my
way home from my sisters' house.  It was about 5:20pm.  Didn't see any signs
of the rider just a bunch of cops checking the area about a half mile away
from where the bike was laying.  Didn't look like too much damage to the
bike.  Mainly cosmetic.  Anyone know anything about it?  Hope it wasn't
anyone on the list.  Hope the rider is OK.

Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B)
--part1_18.dc0a3e5.285559af_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 10 20:31:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5B0VWO16718 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2001 20:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-119-138.s392.tnt11.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.119.138] helo=66.44.119.138) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #6) id 159Fc9-0004gE-00 ; Sun, 10 Jun 2001 20:31:29 -0400 Message-ID: <3B2411D8.4295@starpower.net> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 20:33:27 -0400 From: Paul Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-SP32599 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rider Down References: <18.dc0a3e5.285559af@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f5B0ViO16719 ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > I saw a downed red/silver/black GSXR on 66E at Scott Road this evening > on my > way home from my sisters' house. M- It was about 5:20pm. M- Didn't see any > signs > of the rider just a bunch of cops checking the area about a half mile > away > from where the bike was laying. M- Didn't look like too much damage to > the > bike. M- Mainly cosmetic. M- Anyone know anything about it? M- Hope it > wasn't > anyone on the list. M- Hope the rider is OK. > > Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) I went by there at about 7PM. I didn't know it was a bike crash at the time, but it looked like a serious accident investigation was underway. At least two VSP troopers and a gaggle of Arlington cops. They had scrape marks tagged on Jersey barrier for a good distance. Looks like the vehicle made contact with the wall numerous times. Looks to have have been quite nasty and/or at high speed. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 10 22:16:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5B2GaO18318 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2001 22:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apnHOFOJOKO ([38.38.168.72]) by smtp2.abac.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f5B2GRn41807 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2001 19:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002b01c0f21c$767a3360$48a82626@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Subject: For interested parties... 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Your friends at Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse 1-800-241-2222 ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C0F1FA.EE1140C0-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 07:23:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5BBNYO27770 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 07:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-27.patriot.net [209.249.181.27]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5BBNVk25794 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 07:23:31 -0400 Message-ID: <3B24A8D1.633DC0B@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 07:17:37 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Questions... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So I'm going over the two bikes I'll be selling from Richard's estate. The `95 (?)Yami V-twin fires right up, comes off choke easy and is basically a cherry. But the Kawi won't stay running. Hmmm... Of course when I opened the gas lid and yelled I got an echo. Could it be that simple? It's also low on oil according to the sight glass, and low on coolant. Oil's no prob, got plenty, but ??? what kind of coolant do these rascels use? Regular ol' Prestone or must I purchase Special Kawisaki Whip Out Da Wallet coolant? And where can I get a brake lever for te Kawi? Sort of generic or also brand/model specific? How the tip got broken off is beyond me `cause I can't find a single scratch anywhere else on the beast. Off to get titles from the DMV tommorrow - five titles for the vehicles with missing ones. What fun! Think root canal... Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 08:36:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5BCaCO29059 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 08:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 08:36:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200106110836.AA40501728@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Rider Down X-Mailer: >ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >> >> I saw a downed red/silver/black GSXR on 66E at Scott Road this evening >> on my >> way home from my sisters' house. M- It was about 5:20pm. M- Didn't see any >> signs >> of the rider just a bunch of cops checking the area about a half mile >> away >> from where the bike was laying. M- Ouch. I passed through there about 5:30, and took the Key Bridge/Rosslyn exit to bypass the congestion. There were three cop cars on Rt. 29 below I-66, below the accident site. I wonder if something went over the wall and down onto 29? It's a jungle out there. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 09:14:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9703.mail.yahoo.com (web9703.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.139]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5BDEHO29703 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 09:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010611131415.5675.qmail@web9703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.128.134.68] by web9703.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 06:14:15 PDT Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 06:14:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Scratch Subject: Winding Roads To: DCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does anyone have an email address for Winding Roads Motorcycle Times? I have what I think is a great idea for an article. Thanks, Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 10:01:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5BE1FO00712 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:01:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-117-10.s264.tnt10.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.117.10] helo=palladio) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #6) id 159SFj-0007Z6-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:01:12 -0400 Message-ID: <008e01c0f27f$7d5ba3e0$bb82fea9@palladio> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Leathers-Euro sizing question Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:04:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I'm thinking about looking on Ebay or mailing ordering some one-piece leathers for track days, etc., as well as shopping at our local used leathers emporium (Colleen). Anyway, I find the Euro sizing to be a source of vexation. The conversion tables seem to be all over the map. I have a size 42 chest, 33 waist and 32 inseam. Euro size 54 would seem to be in the ballpark. I'm looking at the AGV Rage or Spark series. If anyone who has these size AGV leathers and could give me a sense of the fit and whether they run large or small when broken in I would appreciate your thoughts. I've tried on new ones in shops and it's hard to tell how they're going to fit when broken in. Should they feel tight when new, almost to the point where it's a struggle to get it on your shoulders? I'm averse to $500 mistakes. Thanks, Paul in DC 95 VFR750F From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 10:12:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5BECMO00899 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailserver1.crosslink.net (yeti.crosslink.net [206.246.124.17]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id KAA31562 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:12:20 -0400 X-Really-To: Received: from [128.38.92.17] (account ) by mailserver1.crosslink.net (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.1) with HTTP id 40515508 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:12:20 -0400 From: biga@XXXXXX (Andrew Culpepper) Subject: Re: Leathers-Euro sizing question To: "dc-cycles list" X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.1 Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:12:20 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008e01c0f27f$7d5ba3e0$bb82fea9@palladio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" I wear a 42 with a 33 inch waist. The Euro jackets (Wintex) that I've tried on that fit are size 54. The one problem I have is I'm not coordinated enough to handle the lefthand zipper :-) Andrew '90 EX500 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 12:47:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5BGlEO03571 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 12:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f5BGl4H23054 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 12:47:06 -0400 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 12:47:03 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01061112470304.00944@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wed, 06 Jun 2001, RacerGirl435@XXXXXX wrote: > Hey Laura! > > You and Roach are then ones with the Aprilia RS250's! Why don't YOU guys > buy beer and snacks for everybody eh!? hehe > > Non-motorcycle having wanna be racing an Aprilia RS250, > Jess We do, but generally only for people who don't talk about us behind our backs. And to answer the smart ass little remark you made at the track about Laura around people who know me (Funny how everyone at the track seems to know me, huh?), yes, it IS nice to be on the Brian Roach racing program. Ask Sean Jordan, Gil Gates, AND Laura. OR, any of the vast number of good people whom I've helped out at the track over the last 3 years either with setting up their bikes, hauling them around the country, or putting their bikes back together after they crashed. If you have a problem with me buying a bike for Laura to race, please, let me know what it is... I'll happily explain that A) I wanted to, because I can and she's quite possibly the greatest woman I've ever met, and B) It's none of your damn business. Maybe you should have made the payments on your bike, eh? Then you'd have a streetbike like Laura does. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 12:53:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from rmx306-mta.mail.com (rmx306-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.168]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5BGrSO03673 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 12:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web641-wra.mail.com (web641-wra.mail.com [165.251.33.76]) by rmx306-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA18355 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 12:53:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <380626496.992278406382.JavaMail.root@web641-wra.mail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 12:53:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "T.B.G" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Riders Down at NASA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 128.183.71.24 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f5BGrTO03674 Today I was out riding the back roads in Greenbelt, MD, right behind NASA. The cops were pulling out 2 Honda's that went off the road... thru a fence onto Nasa property. The bikes got stuck in the mud. Pretty much trashed from the looks of them. The owners said they hit a slick spot... road looked super clear to me....oh well. Later ------Original Message------ From: "Chris Norloff" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: June 11, 2001 12:36:05 PM GMT Subject: Re: Rider Down >ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >> >> I saw a downed red/silver/black GSXR on 66E at Scott Road this evening >> on my >> way home from my sisters' house. M- It was about 5:20pm. M- Didn't see any >> signs >> of the rider just a bunch of cops checking the area about a half mile >> away >> from where the bike was laying. M- Ouch. I passed through there about 5:30, and took the Key Bridge/Rosslyn exit to bypass the congestion. There were three cop cars on Rt. 29 below I-66, below the accident site. I wonder if something went over the wall and down onto 29? It's a jungle out there. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 13:12:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from Mail6.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe6.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.53]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5BHCLO04000 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 13:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cox.rr.com ([66.61.39.23]) by Mail6.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Mon, 11 Jun 2001 13:12:19 -0400 Message-ID: <3B24FC44.E7BBE525@cox.rr.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 13:13:40 -0400 From: Larry Meyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! References: <01061112470304.00944@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm gonna have to jump in with Brian on this one - I'm constantly amazed at the number of people he helps out around there. More than once I've seen guys drop off their crashed bikes at his pit when he wasn't around and had them say "Is this 699's pit? I forgot his name, but he said I could leave my bike and he'd get it home for me". Most of the people I call friends don't go as far for me as he goes for near-strangers. Larry Meyer Annandale, VA 1997 Bandit 1200 Brian Roach wrote: > On Wed, 06 Jun 2001, RacerGirl435@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Hey Laura! > > > > You and Roach are then ones with the Aprilia RS250's! Why don't YOU guys > > buy beer and snacks for everybody eh!? hehe > > > > Non-motorcycle having wanna be racing an Aprilia RS250, > > Jess > > We do, but generally only for people who don't talk about us behind our > backs. > > And to answer the smart ass little remark you made at the track about Laura > around people who know me (Funny how everyone at the track seems to know me, > huh?), yes, it IS nice to be on the Brian Roach racing program. Ask Sean > Jordan, Gil Gates, AND Laura. OR, any of the vast number of good people whom > I've helped out at the track over the last 3 years either with setting up > their bikes, hauling them around the country, or putting their bikes back > together after they crashed. > > If you have a problem with me buying a bike for Laura to race, please, let me > know what it is... I'll happily explain that A) I wanted to, because I can > and she's quite possibly the greatest woman I've ever met, and B) It's none > of your damn business. Maybe you should have made the payments on your bike, > eh? Then you'd have a streetbike like Laura does. > > - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 13:19:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11201.mail.yahoo.com (web11201.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5BHJTO04099 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 13:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010611171926.79216.qmail@web11201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.71.174.14] by web11201.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:19:26 PDT Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:19:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: OC Squids To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I spent the past weekend in Ocean City, Maryland and saw about 50 or so sportbikes. Fine machines, every one. I would guess that maybe 5 of those 50 riders had on any gear more than a helmet. A couple had full leathers, but the rest were t-shirts and sandals. Passengers too. Gotta love senior week. Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 13:27:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([63.218.228.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5BHRIO04279 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 13:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture.wheatintl.com [209.249.185.69]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f5BHOut20530 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 13:24:57 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010611132426.025eee80@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 13:26:55 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: OC Squids In-Reply-To: <20010611171926.79216.qmail@web11201.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:19 PM 6/11/01, Matthew Rosenstock wrote: >I spent the past weekend in Ocean City, Maryland and >saw about 50 or so sportbikes. Fine machines, every >one. I would guess that maybe 5 of those 50 riders had >on any gear more than a helmet. A couple had full >leathers, but the rest were t-shirts and sandals. >Passengers too. > >Gotta love senior week. I tell ya - when you see these guys cruising up and down the main drag going two mph, they aren't hurting much of anything wearing normal squid attire. I only cringe when they get off the cruise area. I have squidded twice in the past two days. Once in shorts and a T running 4 blocks to the gas station Saturday night, and once at lunch today running across the street for lunch. Risk is all relative. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 13:43:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11006.mail.yahoo.com (web11006.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.56]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5BHhNO04560 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 13:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010611174320.72576.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.230.55.8] by web11006.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:43:20 PDT Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:43:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: OC Squids To: Troutman , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010611132426.025eee80@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think a lot of us here started as squidly. I know I did many years ago. Any body who did't start out that way (I think) missed something. Nothing like being young and stupid. Gives you a wonderful sense of power. As we grow up and realize how little we know and how little we controll we can lose a bit freedom and sense of adventure (not that I want to go back). The trade off is acceptable (security, health, money). When I see these T shirt and sandle types I just shake my head reminese (SP), put on my jacket, boots, and gloves and pass em in the turns. Peace, Trey --- Troutman wrote: > At 01:19 PM 6/11/01, Matthew Rosenstock wrote: > >I spent the past weekend in Ocean City, Maryland > and > >saw about 50 or so sportbikes. Fine machines, every > >one. I would guess that maybe 5 of those 50 riders > had > >on any gear more than a helmet. A couple had full > >leathers, but the rest were t-shirts and sandals. > >Passengers too. > > > >Gotta love senior week. > > I tell ya - when you see these guys cruising up and > down the main drag > going two mph, they aren't hurting much of anything > wearing normal squid > attire. I only cringe when they get off the cruise > area. I have squidded > twice in the past two days. Once in shorts and a T > running 4 blocks to the > gas station Saturday night, and once at lunch today > running across the > street for lunch. Risk is all relative. > > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 14:24:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5BIO0O05339 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 14:24:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GES00JLA2ZRDI@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:21:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GES002012ZNBM@XXXXXX>; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:21:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GES000BF2ZF4Q@XXXXXX>; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:21:15 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 14:21:14 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Questions... To: "William J. Huson" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3B250C1A.4CC05B53@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <3B24A8D1.633DC0B@patriot.net> "William J. Huson" wrote: > Oil's no prob, got plenty, but ??? what kind of coolant do > these rascels use? Regular ol' Prestone or must I purchase Special > Kawisaki Whip Out Da Wallet coolant? I think any extended-life silicate-free coolant (DexCool) should be just fine. That's what's recommended for the Connies. Hork -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 27 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 14:26:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5BIQUO05364 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 14:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 13:24:50 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 13:24:27 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f5BIQVO05365 I will have to add that Roach and Laura were both accommodating during the NESBA track day on Friday. When I told Roach I was not having any luck getting my knee down, he had me sit on my bike and showed me the proper positioning. Turns out I was sitting to far forward towards the tank and twisting my body. I needed to hang off with my shoulder too and to slide back on the seat. I spent the last sessions working on my technique and it worked the bike was more stable in the corners and I could carry more speed. Thanks Roach. BTW how do I contact your shop to purchase a lap timer? Website URL? Cheers, George Cole >>> Larry Meyer 06/11/01 01:13PM >>> I'm gonna have to jump in with Brian on this one - I'm constantly amazed at the number of people he helps out around there. More than once I've seen guys drop off their crashed bikes at his pit when he wasn't around and had them say "Is this 699's pit? I forgot his name, but he said I could leave my bike and he'd get it home for me". Most of the people I call friends don't go as far for me as he goes for near-strangers. Larry Meyer Annandale, VA 1997 Bandit 1200 Brian Roach wrote: > On Wed, 06 Jun 2001, RacerGirl435@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Hey Laura! > > > > You and Roach are then ones with the Aprilia RS250's! Why don't YOU guys > > buy beer and snacks for everybody eh!? hehe > > > > Non-motorcycle having wanna be racing an Aprilia RS250, > > Jess > > We do, but generally only for people who don't talk about us behind our > backs. > > And to answer the smart ass little remark you made at the track about Laura > around people who know me (Funny how everyone at the track seems to know me, > huh?), yes, it IS nice to be on the Brian Roach racing program. Ask Sean > Jordan, Gil Gates, AND Laura. OR, any of the vast number of good people whom > I've helped out at the track over the last 3 years either with setting up > their bikes, hauling them around the country, or putting their bikes back > together after they crashed. > > If you have a problem with me buying a bike for Laura to race, please, let me > know what it is... I'll happily explain that A) I wanted to, because I can > and she's quite possibly the greatest woman I've ever met, and B) It's none > of your damn business. Maybe you should have made the payments on your bike, > eh? Then you'd have a streetbike like Laura does. > > - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 15:06:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h007.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5BJ6IO06172 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:06:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 10475 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2001 12:06:08 -0700 Received: from w156.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net (HELO laura) (216.112.246.156) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.171) with SMTP; 11 Jun 2001 12:06:08 -0700 X-Sent: 11 Jun 2001 19:06:08 GMT Message-ID: <07ea01c0f2a9$c31e1fa0$9cf670d8@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: "George Cole" , , References: Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:07:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 >BTW how do I contact your shop to purchase a lap timer? Website URL? >Cheers, >George Cole George (and all others on the list): feel free to contact speedwerks at 302-672-RACE. you can talk to brian through email, or call speedwerks and ask for steve. They will get you great deals on stuff you need (helmets, gear, parts, etc.) and you'll get awesome service, too. Also, check out www.speed-werks.com. Laura From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 15:10:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14604.mail.yahoo.com (web14604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5BJAnO06213 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010611191045.54065.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.9.247.2] by web14604.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 12:10:45 PDT Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 12:10:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Sean Jordan wrote: > >how many people died last year at summit or other local > >tracks? > > More than a handful. Probably 1.9 metric handfuls. > > > >i wish the yanker would stop yanking. > >> > >> What's got you so convinced that I'm the yanker > >> anyways? I've never had to hide behind a fabricated > >> persona to voice my opinions. I think it's Randy > >> Moran. Go read his past posts; he's mister > >> enlightened verbosity man. > >> YOU are Dick E. Anker. actually, most people knew that >> one before i did, judging by the responses i got after my >> last post on this topic. > > First person to conclusively prove that I am Mr. Yanker > gets an autographed picture of Team Jordan Racing. (Or a > reasonable facsimile thereof. Offer void in Hawaii, > Alaska, and Canada.) i'll take that as an admission, and i hope the list reads it the same way. you may also want to watch who you tell your "secrets" to. other list members may or may not give a shit, but, in my opinion, getting caught in a lie is a pretty bad thing. acting as if it is irrelevant or humorous is even worse. > >i have no > >interest in getting out on the racetrack with some young > >punk with an attitude. > > Hey, I am not a punk! I hate the Sex Pistols! > > >i wonder if anyone here does....hmmmm > > Obivously Laura and Roach do, or they wouldn't haul my > attitude-laden, ball displaying, punk ass around or let > me pit with them. (Thanks again, guys!).... actually, judging by the recent posts, brian and laura would do that for a complete stranger. > Randy Moran and Danny Thompson don't seem to mind either. > (Hope you feel better soon Danny!) I think you're jealous > that no one wants to ride on the track with YOU, Tom. > But that's ok. Not everyone can be as cool as me. Don't > sweat it. > Egads, man, lighten up! Although if I had to ride a 996 > for a streetbike, I'm sure I'd end up a hardass too. > > Tee-hee. it's tough to lighten up when dealing with someone who's admittedly full of shit. i'm sure you understand. ===== tg check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 15:21:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5BJLBO06478 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 2.ce.15fdd5b7 (25311) for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:21:00 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:20:59 EDT Subject: Re: OC Squids To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 123 In a message dated 6/11/01 1:46:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, trey_22206@XXXXXX writes: > I think a lot of us here started as squidly. I know I > did many years ago. Any body who did't start out that > way (I think) missed something. Nothing like being > young and stupid. Gives you a wonderful sense of > power. As we grow up and realize how little we know > and how little we controll we can lose a bit freedom > and sense of adventure (not that I want to go back). > The trade off is acceptable (security, health, money). > When I see these T shirt and sandle types I just shake > my head reminese (SP), put on my jacket, boots, and > gloves and pass em in the turns. Wiser words have not been said. We've ALL been there. I know I certainly have. Luckily I walked away from my brushes with natural selection. All we can do is to pass on the wisdom we've learned...and maybe mention how cool it is to wear leather. At least that's one nice side effect of the sportbike rage....better safety gear....when it's actually worn. At the beach...good luck...despite the hazards of sand. Keener From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 15:24:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5BJOiO06508 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id p.43.167f9de4 (25311); Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:24:27 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <43.167f9de4.285674ea@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:24:26 EDT Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: George.Cole@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 123 > I will have to add that Roach and Laura were both accommodating during the > NESBA track day on Friday. And what unnaturals was he performing? Hehehe :-)) > When I told Roach I was not having any luck getting my knee down, he had me > sit on my bike and showed me the proper positioning. Turns out I was sitting > to far forward towards the tank and twisting my body. I needed to hang off > with my shoulder too and to slide back on the seat. > > I spent the last sessions working on my technique and it worked the bike was > more stable in the corners and I could carry more speed. OK....now take it a step further. When would you think about moving your body forward? Or backward? When cornering at a high speed? Once you start getting a feel for touching your knee down....it quickly loses it's cool factor. I barely put my knee down...only to feel where I am in the lean...or to save a lowside. > BTW how do I contact your shop to purchase a lap timer? Website URL? (302) 672-RACE You are probably asking about the AIM MyChron Light. Figure are $230 or so I think. Keener From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 15:37:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5BJbEO06801 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 2.20.17bd47a6 (4159) for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:37:09 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <20.17bd47a6.285677e5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:37:09 EDT Subject: Re: Questions... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 6/11/2001 8:21:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > Oh, well, off to Powerslop to go shopping. Oh well indeed!... They don't have it. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 15:52:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.106]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5BJq8O07124 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 2.f.15ad00c0 (4159) for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:52:04 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:52:04 EDT Subject: Re: Riders Down at NASA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 6/11/2001 12:54:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tgroghan@XXXXXX writes: > The owners said they hit a slick spot. Having spent many years as a mechanic I can tell you that invisible sand is hell on bikes. They all say "I hit a patch of sand!"... Yea right. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 16:22:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5BKMdO07670 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQkszp00306 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:22:37 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQkszp10121 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:21:31 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010611191045.54065.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010611191045.54065.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:21:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Before I being, I hereby admit that I am Dick E. Anker. I do not exist in reality, and I do not ride a Harris-framed GSXR. >i'll take that as an admission, and i hope the list reads >it the same way. I've got one word for you. Whoopty-do. Why do you hope the list "reads it the same way."? What would that accomplish? Will people stop saying "Hello!" to me at Bike Nights? Will they turn their noses and close their visors when I walk by? Is your righteousness gland going berzerk or what? Do you have some sort of vested interest in the list taking that "as an admission"? What would the results be if everyone did take that as an admission? Would a Tribunal of Impartial Members then be convened to discuss possible censure and/or punishment? >other list members may or may not give a shit, but, in my >opinion, getting caught in a lie is a pretty bad thing. >acting as if it is irrelevant or humorous is even worse. *Yawn* How droll. Really, Tom, perhaps you should put "Paragon of Virtue, Justice, and The American Way" in your email signature. If I continue to laugh any harder, I might have to call the paramedics. Lying is defined thusly: "To present false information with the intention of deceiving." Did I present false information? Sure I did! Did I do with the intention of deceiving? Not quite! Let's be honest here. (Pun fully intended.) Do you think so highly of yourself for seeing through my thin veil of subterfuge? Or do you think so little of the other listers that you have to point it out for them? I was so plain in my act of perfidy that it can hardly be construed as being deception. If I had really wanted to maintain a secret alter-ego, I wouldn't have posted to the list with a static IP address. If you go and look at the email headers, you'll see that mine and Mr. Anker's posts came from the same address. (And many of you did.) I also would have altered his patterns of language so that they didn't mirror my own. And I also wouldn't have protested my innocence in a way that made obvious the fact that I was Dick E. Anker! When I posted the "Team Jordan Racing in the news!" email, do you think anyone saw that as a genuine news article? Do you think anyone thought I was attempting to pass off such a poorly written piece of drivel as an actual published piece of journalism? No one I've talked to has. (Albeit, I've only spoken with a handful of listers since its posting, but all of them thought it was rather clever and amusing, for a lie.) The Yanker bit was of the same vein, a slyly crafted ruse meant to entertain other listers. Judging from the feedback, both were successful. There will be those who unamused, there might even be a few who are offended. Bully for them; such is their right. But to climb on such a high-horse over such an insignificant issue. Really, Tom, I hope you have better sense in choosing your legal battles. So, for all of the listers who were genuinely offended by my posting as Dick E. Anker, and then lying about, I formally apologize. That was never my intent. For those of you who saw the posts for what they were and enjoyed them, thanks. I daresay there are even fewer fans of your sanctimonious and delicate sensibilities. "Hey guys, look at that molehill over there....oh, wait. Nevermind. Tom's too busy making a mountain out of it." >it's tough to lighten up when dealing with someone who's >admittedly full of shit. i'm sure you understand. Can't say that I do. I do, however, have a much harder time dealing with people who are so full of shit it clouds their ability to see things in their proper context. May I humbly suggest Visine? -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #230 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 16:38:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5BKc3O07948 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:38:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 1.a6.152ff2c0 (4413); Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:37:47 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:37:46 EDT Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: sean.jordan@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 123 In a message dated 6/11/01 4:25:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sean.jordan@XXXXXX writes: > *Yawn* How droll. Really, Tom, perhaps you should put "Paragon of > Virtue, Justice, and The American Way" in your email signature. If I > continue to laugh any harder, I might have to call the paramedics. Too fucking funny. Hehehe. I missed half of the exchange...damn...guess I'm gonna have to go back and read the fuss now. Either way. 1. Bad unicorn boy. 2. Worse flame from whoever he was. 3. Nice retort. Guess I'll have to move you up a notch from stupid squid to educated squid. :-)) 4. Now go play nice in the sandbox. Oh...that quote above...pretty much made my day. Thanks! Tee hee hee... Keener From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 16:48:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from typhoon.pop3now.com ([209.208.170.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5BKmBO08176 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:47:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200106112047.QAA09749@typhoon.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! Gimer hinted at: > > Egads, man, lighten up! Although if I had to ride a 996 > > for a streetbike, I'm sure I'd end up a hardass too. > > > > Tee-hee. > > it's tough to lighten up when dealing with someone who's > admittedly full of shit. i'm sure you understand. Well, Tom, I would understand if you'd just stop beating around the bush ;-) Dave Yates -- Pop3Now Personal, Manage 5 Email Accounts From 1 Secure Window Sign Up Today! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 16:57:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5BKvVO08377 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:49:36 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:46:33 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f5BKvZO08378 >>> Wrote >OK....now take it a step further. When would you think about moving your >body forward? Or backward? When cornering at a high speed? I guess to help the bike steer more or less without changing the lean angle? It was hard for me to push myself back on the seat. With the seat shape and rear high attitude of the R6 I always seem to slide forward. I had to push myself back with my legs, while trying not to put any pressure on the bars. >Once you start getting a feel for touching your knee down....it quickly loses it's cool factor. I barely put my knee down...only to feel where I am in the >lean...or to save a lowside. Yes, I know it's childish, but I still want to do it at least once. If just to brag to my moto buddies. > BTW how do I contact your shop to purchase a lap timer? Website URL? >(302) 672-RACE You are probably asking about the AIM MyChron Light. Figure >are $230 or so I think. Thanks, that's the one, I would like an accurate way to measure my progress. IE try a new line, shock setting, etc George Cole From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 17:05:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14604.mail.yahoo.com (web14604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5BL5GO08559 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010611210514.85816.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.9.247.2] by web14604.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 14:05:14 PDT Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 14:05:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Sean Jordan wrote: > Before I being, I hereby admit that I am Dick E. Anker. I > do not > exist in reality, and I do not ride a Harris-framed GSXR. mission accomplished. now i can sleep at night. > > > >i'll take that as an admission, and i hope the list > >reads it the same way. > > I've got one word for you. > > Whoopty-do. > > Why do you hope the list "reads it the same way."? What > would that accomplish? Will people stop saying "Hello!" > to me at Bike Nights? Will they turn their noses and > close their visors when I walk by? Is your righteousness > gland going berzerk or what? Do you have some sort > of vested interest in the list taking that "as an > admission"? What would the results be if everyone did > take that as an admission? Would a Tribunal of Impartial > Members then be convened to discuss possible censure > and/or punishment? none of the above. i simply get a kick out of seeing people admit that they're full of shit. i'm a lawyer. that's what many of us strive to see EVERY FUCKING DAY. why you haven't been able to figure that out is surprising to me. as far as the list is concerned, i only hope that when some individuals see your posts they say, "hey, great! here's another post from that sean guy. jesus is he full of shit." it is really just that simple. > >other list members may or may not give a shit, but, in > >my opinion, getting caught in a lie is a pretty bad > >thing. acting as if it is irrelevant or humorous is > >even worse. > > *Yawn* How droll. Really, Tom, perhaps you should put > "Paragon of Virtue, Justice, and The American Way" in > your email signature. If I continue to laugh any harder, > I might have to call the paramedics. > > Lying is defined thusly: > > "To present false information with the intention of > deceiving." ahhh....the dictionary is pulled out yet again to explain "how it is" to us uneducated listers. fyi, when i accused you of and you denied being dick e. anker, you "lied," by anyone's definition. > Did I present false information? Sure I did! Did I do > with the intention of deceiving? Not quite! Let's be > honest here. (Pun fully intended.) Do you think so highly > of yourself for seeing through my thin veil of > subterfuge? Or do you think so little of the other > listers that you have to point it out for them? I was so > plain in my act of perfidy that it can hardly be > construed as being deception. If I had really wanted to > maintain a secret alter-ego, I wouldn't have posted to > the list with a static IP address. If you go and look at > the email headers, you'll see that mine and Mr. Anker's > posts came from the same address. (And many of you did.) > I also would have altered his patterns of language so > that they didn't mirror my own. And I also wouldn't have > protested my innocence in a way that made obvious the > fact that I was Dick E. Anker! sorry, but there are plenty of us on the list without the knowledge required to make that connection. are we all IT guys? no. thank god. > When I posted the "Team Jordan Racing in the news!" > email, do you think anyone saw that as a genuine news > article? Do you think anyone thought I was attempting to > pass off such a poorly written piece of drivel as an > actual published piece of journalism? No one I've talked > to has. (Albeit, I've only spoken with a handful of > listers since its posting, but all of them thought it was > rather clever and amusing, for a lie.) The Yanker bit > was of the same vein, a slyly crafted ruse > meant to entertain other listers. Judging from the > feedback, both were successful. it's pretty clear from my posts (check the archives) that i was impressed with the yanker....that is, until i discovered it was you, confronted you, and you denied it. > There will be those who unamused, there might even be a > few who are offended. Bully for them; such is their > right. But to climb on such a high-horse over such an > insignificant issue. Really, Tom, I hope you have better > sense in choosing your legal battles. all of this talk after challenging the list to perk up! it seems that when the target of the perking up is YOU, there is no need for such frivolty. what a crock! tell me you see why this strikes me as quite funny. > So, for all of the listers who were genuinely offended by > my posting as Dick E. Anker, and then lying about, I > formally apologize. That was never my intent. > > For those of you who saw the posts for what they were and > enjoyed them, thanks. > > I daresay there are even fewer fans of your sanctimonious > and delicate sensibilities. , if only i had the wealth of fans and friends that you believe you have. > "Hey guys, look at that molehill over there....oh, wait. > Nevermind. Tom's too busy making a mountain out of it." > > >it's tough to lighten up when dealing with someone who's > >admittedly full of shit. i'm sure you understand. > > Can't say that I do. I do, however, have a much harder > time dealing with people who are so full of shit it > clouds their ability to see things in their proper > context. > > May I humbly suggest Visine? > > suggestion noted....and not understood. visine "gets the red out"????? but why not make it easy for me and enlighten me as to the "proper context"? i was actually following you right up to the very end..... i'll also offer to take this off-list unless there is some identified interest in seeing this end in the forum it started. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 17:14:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13806.mail.yahoo.com (web13806.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5BLDxO08658 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010611211357.54234.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.131.90.209] by web13806.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 14:13:57 PDT Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 14:13:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: Tom Gimer , Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010611210514.85816.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii No one gives a fuck. Gimer, you are looking for attention by even making this a public list issue from the beginning. Take it somewhere else. Enough negativity around here today. --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Sean Jordan wrote: > > Before I being, I hereby admit that I am Dick E. > Anker. I > > do not > > exist in reality, and I do not ride a > Harris-framed GSXR. > > mission accomplished. now i can sleep at night. > > > > > > > > > >i'll take that as an admission, and i hope the > list > > >reads it the same way. > > > > I've got one word for you. > > > > Whoopty-do. > > > > Why do you hope the list "reads it the same way."? > What > > would that accomplish? Will people stop saying > "Hello!" > > to me at Bike Nights? Will they turn their noses > and > > close their visors when I walk by? Is your > righteousness > > gland going berzerk or what? Do you have some sort > > > of vested interest in the list taking that "as an > > admission"? What would the results be if everyone > did > > take that as an admission? Would a Tribunal of > Impartial > > Members then be convened to discuss possible > censure > > and/or punishment? > > none of the above. > > i simply get a kick out of seeing people admit that > they're > full of shit. i'm a lawyer. that's what many of us > strive > to see EVERY FUCKING DAY. why you haven't been able > to > figure that out is surprising to me. > > as far as the list is concerned, i only hope that > when some > individuals see your posts they say, "hey, great! > here's > another post from that sean guy. jesus is he full > of > shit." it is really just that simple. > > > > > >other list members may or may not give a shit, > but, in > > >my opinion, getting caught in a lie is a pretty > bad > > >thing. acting as if it is irrelevant or humorous > is > > >even worse. > > > > *Yawn* How droll. Really, Tom, perhaps you should > put > > "Paragon of Virtue, Justice, and The American Way" > in > > your email signature. If I continue to laugh any > harder, > > I might have to call the paramedics. > > > > Lying is defined thusly: > > > > "To present false information with the intention > of > > deceiving." > > ahhh....the dictionary is pulled out yet again to > explain > "how it is" to us uneducated listers. > > fyi, when i accused you of and you denied being dick > e. > anker, you "lied," by anyone's definition. > > > > > Did I present false information? Sure I did! Did I > do > > with the intention of deceiving? Not quite! Let's > be > > honest here. (Pun fully intended.) Do you think so > highly > > > of yourself for seeing through my thin veil of > > subterfuge? Or do you think so little of the other > > > listers that you have to point it out for them? I > was so > > plain in my act of perfidy that it can hardly be > > construed as being deception. If I had really > wanted to > > maintain a secret alter-ego, I wouldn't have > posted to > > the list with a static IP address. If you go and > look at > > the email headers, you'll see that mine and Mr. > Anker's > > posts came from the same address. (And many of you > did.) > > I also would have altered his patterns of language > so > > that they didn't mirror my own. And I also > wouldn't have > > protested my innocence in a way that made obvious > the > > fact that I was Dick E. Anker! > > sorry, but there are plenty of us on the list > without the > knowledge required to make that connection. are we > all IT > guys? no. thank god. > > > > > When I posted the "Team Jordan Racing in the > news!" > > email, do you think anyone saw that as a genuine > news > > article? Do you think anyone thought I was > attempting to > > pass off such a poorly written piece of drivel as > an > > actual published piece of journalism? No one I've > talked > > to has. (Albeit, I've only spoken with a handful > of > > listers since its posting, but all of them thought > it was > > > rather clever and amusing, for a lie.) The Yanker > bit > > was of the same vein, a slyly crafted ruse > > meant to entertain other listers. Judging from the > > > feedback, both were successful. > > it's pretty clear from my posts (check the archives) > that i > was impressed with the yanker....that is, until i > discovered it was you, confronted you, and you > denied it. > > > > > There will be those who unamused, there might even > be a > > few who are offended. Bully for them; such is > their > > right. But to climb on such a high-horse over such > an > > insignificant issue. Really, Tom, I hope you have > better > > sense in choosing your legal battles. > > all of this talk after challenging the list to perk > up! it > seems that when the target of the perking up is YOU, > there > is no need for such frivolty. what a crock! tell > me you > see why this strikes me as quite funny. > > > > > So, for all of the listers who were genuinely > offended by > > my posting as Dick E. Anker, and then lying about, > I > > formally apologize. That was never my intent. > > > > For those of you who saw the posts for what they > were and > > enjoyed them, thanks. > > > > I daresay there are even fewer fans of your > sanctimonious > > and delicate sensibilities. > > , > > if only i had the wealth of fans and friends that > you > believe you have. > > === message truncated === ===== http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 17:16:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5BLGXO08744 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:16:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id r.a8.16b03e9a (4413); Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:16:17 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:16:16 EDT Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, sean.jordan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 123 In a message dated 6/11/01 5:06:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > mission accomplished. now i can sleep at night. I'm gonna sleep better already. > i simply get a kick out of seeing people admit that they're > full of shit. i'm a lawyer. that's what many of us strive > to see EVERY FUCKING DAY. why you haven't been able to > figure that out is surprising to me. Ahhh...now I see the problem here. Lawyer ego meets wiseass. FYI folks...Sean is a nice guy....who ocassional opens his mouth a bit wide. But the diatribe from said 'lawyer' seems to be a bit over the top to me. > as far as the list is concerned, i only hope that when some > individuals see your posts they say, "hey, great! here's > another post from that sean guy. jesus is he full of > shit." it is really just that simple. And just who am I thinking is full of shit now? I'll give ya one guess. > all of this talk after challenging the list to perk up! it > seems that when the target of the perking up is YOU, there > is no need for such frivolty. what a crock! tell me you > see why this strikes me as quite funny. Frivolity? Uh...actually...I'd say the tone of your posts (As I read them) seem to lean towards belligerent. > but why not make it easy for me and enlighten me as to the > "proper context"? i was actually following you right up to > the very end..... Oh oh oh....can I? Hmmm...."Get the shit out"? It's just a guess...and I'm another practically illterate computer nerd ya know. Hehehehe > i'll also offer to take this off-list unless there is some > identified interest in seeing this end in the forum it > started. Let me guess...sabers at dawn? From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 17:28:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h000.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5BLSnO08955 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 17306 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2001 14:28:41 -0700 Received: from w156.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net (HELO laura) (216.112.246.156) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.164) with SMTP; 11 Jun 2001 14:28:41 -0700 X-Sent: 11 Jun 2001 21:28:41 GMT Message-ID: <006c01c0f2bd$c4256660$9cf670d8@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Larry Meyer" , References: <01061112470304.00944@www.mostlyharmless.net> <3B24FC44.E7BBE525@cox.rr.com> Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:30:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 I'm constantly amazed at the > number of people he helps out around there. > well, I see this as a great time to say thank you to Brian for all he has done for me. I started out last year wanting to do a track day. Without even knowing me, he offered to do the track day with me. A group of us did the cycle sport track day, and Brian was there helping each and every one of us. After that track day, I knew I wanted to race. Not only has he helped me by setting me up in great schools and taking multiple track days, buying me the greatest bike I could possibly have, and helping me get started...he has also been there to help me when I have a bad day and feel like I can't do it at all. He's given me lots of great advice to help me become a better rider, and he has given me all of the support I could ever need. He helps me when I need a gear change, a tire change, etc., and I'm slowly learning about all of the stuff he teaches me. This has been so valuable. I see him at track days and every weekend, and he will help anyone who wants help. He is a great racer and knows how bikes work, so this is a great combination. Not only is Brian like this, but almost every racer I have ever talked to. Others on this list, like Fred, Randy Moran, Danny Thompson, Steeve Kenner, etc...are all people that have helped me learn how to race...and that's the great thing about racers. They are all there to help each other become better. Just because someone has the *ability* to help someone out financially shouldn't make people mad . It's just another great example of how racers help out others, especially new racers get into the sport. I'm sure you can ask Sean and many others about this too. I am thankful every day that I have someone like Brian who has helped me start doing the most fun thing I have ever done in my life!!! (ok, people, no jokes about the "love bird" stuff!...this is irrelevant to us being boyfriend/girlfriend). I encourage people to come out to the track, whether it's to watch us race, YSR races, etc., because if you want to, you will learn a ton about riding and becoming a better rider, whether you want to race or not. Laura From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 17:53:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5BLrmO09360 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cp93425-a.mtgmry1.md.home.com (HELO cp93425a) (65.14.174.34) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2001 21:53:36 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "rydin" To: "dc-cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: What a weekend that was ! Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:51:46 -0700 Message-ID: <004301c0f2d9$dbe64460$22ae0e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal The weather - couldn't have special ordered it much better. The racing (watching only for me...) - I rode up to Summit Saturday and Sunday through the above mentioned great weather. The racing was great. The Roach pit is alot of fun all the time. Sean - I love that pig you ride (on the street that is). Laura - great lens - thanks, I hope the pictures are half as good as the racing. You kicked ass there Saturday ! Gil - oh - he doesn't read this... When i grow up I want to do that too... Brian - WAY TO GO on the 3rd place finish and those damn fast times ! Bike Night: Thanks Chuck and Mark for doing this. I rode down straight from Summit - I figured I needed dinner anyway. The location is perfect. The place is friendly and I had a great time. A whole lot of riders showed up. ...now if I only had time to do tend to my studies... Niv BMW F650ST w/ Hella lights hooked up w/ hose clamps. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 17:56:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5BLu7O09373 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQkszv10647 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:56:05 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQkszv20993 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:55:32 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010611210514.85816.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010611210514.85816.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:55:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >i simply get a kick out of seeing people admit that they're >full of shit. Let's get one thing straight: I have never ever, publicly or privately, claimed that I am NOT full of shit. > i'm a lawyer. that's what many of us strive >to see EVERY FUCKING DAY. Personally, I strive to see the ceiling above my bed when I wake up every morning. Maybe that's just me. I think you need to re-prioritize. > why you haven't been able to >figure that out is surprising to me. My knowledge of lawyers is derived from re-runs of Matlock, Lionel Hutz from the Simpsons and personal interaction with you. I have never been so confused by anyone subject. >as far as the list is concerned, i only hope that when some >individuals see your posts they say, "hey, great! here's >another post from that sean guy. jesus is he full of >shit." This is what I hope for as well. What was the point of contention again? >it is really just that simple. It has been my experience that when someone says "It is really just that simple", in all actuality, it is not that simple. > > Lying is defined thusly: >> >> "To present false information with the intention of >> deceiving." > >ahhh....the dictionary is pulled out yet again to explain >"how it is" to us uneducated listers. Not, the dictionary was pulled out yet again to explain "how it is" to you. >fyi, when i accused you of and you denied being dick e. >anker, you "lied," by anyone's definition. Details, details. Must you define everything so absolutely? >sorry, but there are plenty of us on the list without the >knowledge required to make that connection. are we all IT >guys? no. thank god. BUT there are a great deal of people who are. (Whom you've most likely just offended with your little "No. thank god." remark.) For those who aren't there were still plenty of other outrageously blatant clues. You need not have been Sherlock Holmes to read the rest of the clues. >it's pretty clear from my posts (check the archives) that i >was impressed with the yanker.... He sends his best regards, by the way. >that is, until i discovered it was you, confronted you, and you denied it. Here's the wind-up...... >all of this talk after challenging the list to perk up! it >seems that when the target of the perking up is YOU, there >is no need for such frivolty. And the pitch! Man, Tom. You are SO easy to manipulate. ::sigh:: Thank you for doing my dirty work. > what a crock! tell me you >see why this strikes me as quite funny. I see why it strikes me as quite funny. In fact, I'm laughing right now! >, > >if only i had the wealth of fans and friends that you >believe you have. Oooooooh! Ouch! You call that a flame? That's more of a mild spark, really. I'm disappointed. You used to have such a fire in your belly. I ask you this, Tom: Where have all the cowboys gone? Where?, I ask you. >suggestion noted....and not understood. visine "gets the >red out"????? Standard medical knowledge indicates that the human ocular cavity is severely irritated by exposure to fecal matter. Irritation of these membranes often results in redness, which is alleviated by small doses of Visine. >but why not make it easy for me and enlighten me as to the >"proper context"? i was actually following you right up to >the very end..... Nope, no more enlightenment for you. I'm fresh out of enlightenment. I can offer clarification and edification, but no more enlightenment. >i'll also offer to take this off-list unless there is some >identified interest in seeing this end in the forum it >started. Of course there's some identified interest in seeing this end in the forum it started. Geeze, isn't that painfully obvious? -- not tg From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 18:18:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14605.mail.yahoo.com (web14605.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5BMIaO09820 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010611221834.48508.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.9.247.2] by web14605.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:18:34 PDT Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:18:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: SKeener2@XXXXXX, sean.jordan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 6/11/01 5:06:22 PM Eastern Daylight > Time, > t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > > i simply get a kick out of seeing people admit that > > they're full of shit. i'm a lawyer. that's what many > > of us strive to see EVERY FUCKING DAY. why you > > haven't been able to figure that out is surprising to > > me. > > Ahhh...now I see the problem here. Lawyer ego meets > wiseass. FYI folks...Sean is a nice guy....who > ocassional opens his mouth a bit wide. But the diatribe > from said 'lawyer' seems to be a bit over the top to me. occasionally? riiiiight. i'm glad to see that someone who admittedly has no idea what is being discussed feels the need to chime in with support for his buddy. the more the merrier. i just wish you had provided ANYTHING comprehendible. > > as far as the list is concerned, i only hope that when > > some individuals see your posts they say, "hey, great! > > here's another post from that sean guy. jesus is he > > full of shit." it is really just that simple. > > And just who am I thinking is full of shit now? I'll > give ya one guess. hmmmm > > all of this talk after challenging the list to perk > > up! it seems that when the target of the perking up > > is YOU, there is no need for such frivolty. what a > > crock! tell me you see why this strikes me as quite > > funny. > > Frivolity? Uh...actually...I'd say the tone of your > posts (As I read them) seem to lean towards belligerent. thank god we have you here to make sure sean doesn't get hurt! i think sean has demonstrated the ability to fend for himself in the past. why not let him? as for you, i have no idea who you are or what you think you have brought to the table by jumping in. > > but why not make it easy for me and enlighten me as to > > the "proper context"? i was actually following you > > right up to the very end..... > > Oh oh oh....can I? Hmmm...."Get the shit out"? It's > just a guess...and I'm another practically illterate > computer nerd ya know. > Hehehehe why not let sean answer? i sure as hell can't figure out what you intended to mean here. > > i'll also offer to take this off-list unless there is > > some identified interest in seeing this end in the > > forum it started. > > Let me guess...sabers at dawn? lost again. congrats, keener. you just succeeded in (1) contributing nothing to the discussion and (2) making sure it continues (against the wishes of many, including myself). -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 18:30:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5BMUNO10064 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:30:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQkszy13408 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 22:30:22 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQkszy20046 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 22:30:15 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010611221834.48508.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010611221834.48508.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:30:10 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >congrats, keener. you just succeeded in (1) contributing >nothing to the discussion and (2) making sure it continues >(against the wishes of many, including myself). Waitaminute.....does anyone see the what's wrong with that last statement? What the hell kind of logic is Tom using? I think it's a rare branch of logic commonly attributed to the ancient Greek philosopher Stupidimedes. "Hmmm....someone has just responded to a discussion that I wish would not continue. I think I'll PUBLICLY REPLY TO THAT PERSON, thereby eliminating further discourse and engendering peace throughout the list. Yeah, that outta work." Oh golly, oh gee, oh great googaly-moogaly. I got to go racing all weekend and now this? I can't take any more fun? Oh God, please make it stop. My ribs are aching like nobody's business. -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #230 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 18:57:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14603.mail.yahoo.com (web14603.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.83]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5BMv2O10524 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010611225656.12871.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.40.63] by web14603.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:56:56 PDT Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:56:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Sean Jordan wrote: > >congrats, keener. you just succeeded in (1) > >contributing nothing to the discussion and (2) making > >sure it continues (against the wishes of many, including > >myself). > > Waitaminute.....does anyone see the what's wrong with > that last statement? What the hell kind of logic is Tom > using? I think it's a rare branch of logic commonly > attributed to the ancient Greek philosopher Stupidimedes. > > "Hmmm....someone has just responded to a discussion that > I wish would not continue. I think I'll PUBLICLY REPLY TO > THAT PERSON, thereby eliminating further discourse and > engendering peace throughout the list. Yeah, that outta > work." i will regretably admit that you have made a point here. well done. however, having just prior to that message responded to the list that i would be happy to take the discussion elsewhere, i think it is clear what my intentions were. -- tg ===== tg check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 19:03:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f100.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5BN3ZO10637 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:52:03 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 22:52:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:52:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jun 2001 22:52:03.0347 (UTC) FILETIME=[21A95E30:01C0F2C9] Hey Laura! How about another part to the member bios page on the website.... Number of 'Delete' keys broken! Mark me down for another one. Gentlemen....Please...move away from your keyboards and GO RIDE!!!!! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 20:08:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5C07xO11766 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id r.96.157e0af8 (4586); Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:07:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <96.157e0af8.2856b74b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:07:39 EDT Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: SKeener2@XXXXXX, t_gimer@XXXXXX, sean.jordan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 139 In a message dated 6/11/01 5:17:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SKeener2@XXXXXX writes: << Let me guess...sabers at dawn? >> Foils are more elegant. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 20:08:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.watsonwyatt.com (host249.watsonwyatt.com [208.22.178.249] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5C08lO11769 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:41 -0500 From: "Rob Bell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Delete key option Message-ID: <20010611200648796-219563cd@watsonwyatt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Rob Keiser" Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! Hey Laura! How about another part to the member bios page on the website.... Number of 'Delete' keys broken! >>Consider yourself lucky. Those of us on digest have to either sort through it or trash the whole post. Please consider this another request to take all pissing contests off-line. Mark me down for another one. Gentlemen....Please...move away from your keyboards and GO RIDE!!!!! >>partially agree. move away from your keyboards, after that do whatever you want R '00 ZX-9R Voodoo '96 VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 20:10:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5C0ATO11790 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-109-7.s7.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.109.7] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #6) id 159blI-0005rm-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:10:24 -0400 Message-ID: <004301c0f13f$56b04480$076daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <20010611221834.48508.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 19:53:09 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 snip... > it stop. My ribs are aching like nobody's business. You just had to bring that up... Danny '98 VTR '99 SV (race bike) battered for now... Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shenvalleywarrenton.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 20:12:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5C0C4O11872 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3998 invoked by uid 1001); 12 Jun 2001 00:12:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20010612001201.3997.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:12:00 -0500 Subject: I'm hooked!! I'm rather sunburned to a crisp but I just finished up my first ever Cycle Sport Track Day. I spectated the event last September and promised myself to attend this time around. I rode 2 bikes - my cb750 Nighthawk and my most recent acquisition: a GS500E race bike. I started with the NH simply because I knew how she worked and wanted to see what the track looked like from the rider's perspective. Incredible. I was consistantly off by one gear powering out of turns 2, 5, and 10 but I had a blast and my tires even have that 'look'. I did 2 sessions on the NH, scraping all sort of things and actually out-riding some of the others in my C group. I decided to switch to the GS at that point so as to not have to figure out how this other bike rode in the more exciting afternoon sessions. Sitting in the crouch, hugging the narrow tank, ducking under the fairing, the mighty inline-twin blatting it's 43HP out. Poetry. Wow. I was speachless. Since I was getting blown away on the straights by the 600cc sportbikes I had to make up for it in braking and corner speed. Many was the time I was running up people's tailpipes off the gas as they felt their way around the turn. I had some good battles going there for a bit. One guy on a TZ350 and another a VFR700 piloted by "mr. Fox leathers" and I mixed it up. I just wish passing in corners was permitted. Oh well, that's what I need a race license for. Despite my 'valient' efforts it was frustrating to see the SV650's etc. just pull away like I was standing still, no matter that my engine was near readline. But for my first ever ride on a race bike, my first ever foray onto a track, and that my bike riding 1st birthday has yet to arrive, to complete the day in such a good manner without incident feels great. Speaking of incidents, today was crash city. No less than 6 red flags stopped rides. Predomanantly in the A class but the C's notched a couple as well. We got started late (10am instead of 8) and our group only got to do 3 laps of the final 30 or so minute session because of a ground hog or an encounter with one. Wasn't too clear on the specifics on that. My lines could use some improvement. I was noticing how wide people were going out of 2, 6, 7 and here I was slicing in deep from mid-lane instead of the outer edge. Maybe it was a factor of the lightness of the bike. Or that my power curve is such that I can have a lot of throttle and not much happens. Things to work on next time out. I have to echo the tone of Laura's post. This *IS* the experience. -- "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, they should have voted to convict." _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 20:23:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5C0NwO12076 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-109-7.s7.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.109.7] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #6) id 159byO-00000n-00 ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:23:56 -0400 Message-ID: <00e301c0f141$381a7480$076daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: , "Suzuki SV 650" , Subject: video of my crash Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 20:06:36 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Any chance anyone out there have a video or a first hand account of my crash at Summit on Sunday May 13th? Danny '98 VTR '99 SV (race bike) battered for now... Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shenvalleywarrenton.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 20:29:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5C0TnO12197 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Smurfslayer (p59.a2.du.radix.net [207.192.129.187]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA11459 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:29:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: WADDAYAMEAN we're not all IT guys? Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:33:07 -0400 Message-ID: <000501c0f2d7$41837ac0$bb81c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal >sorry, but there are plenty of us on the list without the >knowledge required to make that connection. are we all IT >guys? no. thank god. You mean this list has OTHER types ? NON IT? SACRILEGE! BUT there are a great deal of people who are. (Whom you've most likely just offended with your little "No. thank god." remark.) You're kidding, right Sean ? The above pearl of wisdom doesn't even register on the Gimermeter(tm), which is used to measure the literary Venom in email & BBS. That was only a 3.0 (out of ten) on the Gimermeter(tm). But, it's at least an 'opening of the door for some tasteless Lawyer scum jokes ;-) Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' '97 Cobra #5148 http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 20:32:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5C0WUO12292 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Smurfslayer (p59.a2.du.radix.net [207.192.129.187]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA12911 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:32:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: Team Jordan Racing in the news! Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:34:54 -0400 Message-ID: <000601c0f2d7$a1b29660$bb81c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20010611221834.48508.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal > But the diatribe > from said 'lawyer' seems to be a bit over the top to me. Gimer. Over the top.... BAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. That was a Doosey... ;-) Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' '97 Cobra #5148 http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 20:35:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5C0Z6O12373 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Smurfslayer (p59.a2.du.radix.net [207.192.129.187]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA14120 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:35:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: Team Jordan Racing in the news! Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:37:49 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c0f2d7$fe15b5e0$bb81c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <96.157e0af8.2856b74b@aol.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Fredo pointed out: << Let me guess...sabers at dawn? >> Foils are more elegant. I will only sign off on the above statement, if they're used in the manner of motorcycle jousting. Maybe we could set up a little cone course in the MVA parking lot... ;-) Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' '97 Cobra #5148 http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 21:09:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtprelay1.abs.adelphia.net (smtprelay.abs.adelphia.net [64.8.20.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5C19iO12897 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gt350 ([63.112.206.122]) by smtprelay1.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GESLVW00.C3P for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:09:32 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c0f2dc$76490e00$7ace703f@prestige.net> Reply-To: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: References: <20010611210514.85816.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Anyone interested in riding to Budd's Creek on Sunday? Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:10:25 -0400 Organization: Attorney at Law MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Disposition-Notification-To: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 My buddy and I are going to Budd's Creek on Sunday for the AMA 125/250 National motocross races. We are considering riding our bikes. Tickets are $25.00. Is anyone interested in joining us? The central meeting location will be in either Prince William County or Stafford County off I-95. If there is enough interest I will post the details later. Roy D. Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 21:44:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5C1iQO13472 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 159dDv-0000WG-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:44:03 -0700 Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:44:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! In-Reply-To: <96.157e0af8.2856b74b@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > << Let me guess...sabers at dawn? >> > > Foils are more elegant. Ah yes, but .45s are more effective. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 22:13:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5C2D4O13946 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 22:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Smurfslayer (p49.a2.du.radix.net [207.192.129.177]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA00151; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 22:12:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave Yates" To: "'Hugh Caldwell'" , Subject: RE: Team Jordan Racing in the news! Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 22:15:49 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c0f2e5$acd75680$bb81c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal > << Let me guess...sabers at dawn? >> > > Foils are more elegant. Ah yes, but .45s are more effective. "You gonna pull those pistols, or whistle Dixie?" ;-) Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 23:21:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp7ve.mailsrvcs.net (smtp7vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.28]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5C3LoO15038 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 23:21:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltrgyst.tennisbooks.com (adsl-151-200-19-35.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.19.35]) by smtp7ve.mailsrvcs.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA31486050 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 03:21:43 GMT Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010611231756.00aa5860@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 23:20:54 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! In-Reply-To: <20010611210514.85816.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:05 PM 6/11/01, Tom Gimer wrote: >.... are we all IT guys? no. thank god. Hey, that's pretty low, coming from a sleazebag ambulance chaser in Washington, DC. 8;) Maybe Gimer and Jordan are one and the same, and we're all really being had. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 23:29:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5C3T8O15147 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 23:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Smurfslayer (p28.a3.du.radix.net [207.192.130.28]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA05613; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 23:28:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave Yates" To: "'Larry Larson'" , Subject: RE: Team Jordan Racing in the news! Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 23:31:36 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c0f2f0$456391c0$1c82c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010611231756.00aa5860@mail.9netave.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Hey, that's pretty low, coming from a sleazebag ambulance chaser in Washington, DC. 8;) Maybe Gimer and Jordan are one and the same, and we're all really being had. Then that would mean that Gimer would be Jordan, AND Anker. Damn. We couldn't script a soap opera any better... Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' '97 Cobra #5148 http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 01:30:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10501.mail.yahoo.com (web10501.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.151]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5C5UuO16963 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 01:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010612053053.79197.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.147.78.216] by web10501.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 22:30:53 PDT Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 22:30:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Suzookus Maximus Subject: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz are we there yet? ... was ... Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>Gentlemen....Please...move away from your keyboards and GO RIDE!!!!!<< I second the motion! :0 All in favor, say Aye! All opposed say Nay! The Ayes have it. Yeah, I heard voices!!! :0 I've gotcha too, cause it will be pretty hard to get a show of hands on this vote until the next Bike Night! LOL -jeff PS: "'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list" <-- no kidding :) PPS: Look outside the window -- is the Whaaambulance parked outside? :) ===== ->bike: '00 GSX-R750 ->email: suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX ->web: http://profiles.yahoo.com/suzookusmaximus __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 07:56:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CBu0O23623 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 07:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GET003E7FT4IS@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:55:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GET00J01FT4FY@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:55:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from chan3544t ([166.36.153.47]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GET00EHYFSP1G@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:55:37 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 07:55:28 -0400 From: Robert Verde Subject: Nice VF1000R plus cop? To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Reply-to: c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX Message-id: <013901c0f336$93797cd0$2f9924a6@wcomnet.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Noticed a spiffy-looking Honda VF1000R on 66E this morning, right before I turned off on 28. Unmarked police SUV behind, plus another car in front. Anyone on list? Robert Verde From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 09:19:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CDJ5O24862 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (ip78.herndon20.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.38.89.78]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA13503; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B2616D0.78FE82EF@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:19:12 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles CC: Mark Kitchell Subject: Bike Night @ The Rock Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First, I want to thank everyone who came to Bike Night @ The Rock last Saturday. We had a great time sitting up on the roof enjoying the great weather and being able to look down on the parking lot with all the motorcycles. It's too bad we couldn't get the racing videos up on the roof (WSB and 250/500 GP), but they played downstairs on the big screens. We had a decent size crowd, but not huge. So I'm kind of curious as to why people weren't there. It would help me and Mark to know for planning future Bike Nights. If it's not too much trouble, please let us know why you didn't come to Bike Night: 1. Not in town that weekend (e.g., at the races, at the beach). 2. Already busy with other social engagement(s) on Saturday night. 3. The weather was so nice that I just kept riding and forgot all about Bike Night. 4. Didn't want to come into DC. 5. Other. Thanx! Chuck, aka Deerhunter -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 09:20:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com (uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com [12.26.159.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CDKeO24941 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com; id JAA29838; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:17:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from uxtpabuf1.us.pw.com(10.26.104.81) by uxtpaprx1.us.pw.com via smap (V5.5) id xma022099; Tue, 12 Jun 01 09:13:13 -0400 Received: from us-amsmta005.us.pw.com by uxtpabuf1.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3932) with ESMTP id <0GET007ZZJGSFK@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:16:11 -0400 Subject: Re: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz are we there yet? ... was ... Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.6 |December 14, 2000) at 06/12/2001 09:16:17 AM Really? I thought the "discussion" was kind of fun. Better than tire, oil and "gee I went racing and loved it" threads. If I recall correctly, I think it is Gimer's turn next! :-) Waiting, --chris Suzookus Maximus on 06/12/2001 01:30:53 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz are we there yet? ... was ... Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! >>Gentlemen....Please...move away from your keyboards and GO RIDE!!!!!<< I second the motion! :0 All in favor, say Aye! All opposed say Nay! The Ayes have it. Yeah, I heard voices!!! :0 I've gotcha too, cause it will be pretty hard to get a show of hands on this vote until the next Bike Night! 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 09:26:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9603.mail.yahoo.com (web9603.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.182]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5CDQIO24965 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010612132616.32525.qmail@web9603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.11.149.33] by web9603.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 06:26:16 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 06:26:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannette Subject: Re: Bike Night @ The Rock To: the_penas@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Cc: Mark Kitchell In-Reply-To: <3B2616D0.78FE82EF@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Husband had his appendix out, that's why I wasn't there. LOL The weekend was spent going back & forth to the hospital on my motorcycle. Ah well, at least I got to ride, right? ;-) When's the one at Grevey's again? I want to come to that one. :-) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 --- Chuck Pena wrote: If it's not too much > trouble, please let > us know why you didn't come to Bike Night: > > 1. Not in town that weekend (e.g., at the races, at > the beach). > 2. Already busy with other social engagement(s) on > Saturday night. > 3. The weather was so nice that I just kept riding > and forgot all about > Bike Night. > 4. Didn't want to come into DC. > 5. Other. > > Thanx! > > Chuck, aka Deerhunter > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 09:46:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CDk3O25412 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id o.fe.7a71080 (15862); Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web39.aolmail.aol.com (web39.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.15]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v78_r3.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:45:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:45:39 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Actually, I think Gimer is Jordan's Evil Twin Brother. Or is Jordan Gimer's Evil Twin Brother? Or are they really triplets and Anker is the normal one? Or..or...AAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Too....much...thinking...head....going....to...explode.....POWWWWW....;-) "So are the days of our lives." Scooter (hitting delete key now) In a message dated Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:31:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Dave Yates" writes: << Hey, that's pretty low, coming from a sleazebag ambulance chaser in Washington, DC. 8;) Maybe Gimer and Jordan are one and the same, and we're all really being had. Then that would mean that Gimer would be Jordan, AND Anker. Damn. We couldn't script a soap opera any better... Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' '97 Cobra #5148 http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ >> From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 09:54:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CDs5O25525 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id r.11d.29626d (15703); Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web45.aolmail.aol.com (web45.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.6]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v78_r3.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:53:52 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:53:51 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night @ The Rock To: , Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <11d.29626d.285778f0@aol.com> Ummm...I think it's Number 1 Regis. Not in town that weekend (at bro-in-laws b-day celebration. last minute invite.) And that's my final answer. :-) If you schedule another one at The Rock, I will definitely make sure I attend. Scooter In a message dated Tue, 12 Jun 2001 9:20:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Chuck Pena writes: << First, I want to thank everyone who came to Bike Night @ The Rock last Saturday. We had a great time sitting up on the roof enjoying the great weather and being able to look down on the parking lot with all the motorcycles. It's too bad we couldn't get the racing videos up on the roof (WSB and 250/500 GP), but they played downstairs on the big screens. We had a decent size crowd, but not huge. So I'm kind of curious as to why people weren't there. It would help me and Mark to know for planning future Bike Nights. If it's not too much trouble, please let us know why you didn't come to Bike Night: 1. Not in town that weekend (e.g., at the races, at the beach). 2. Already busy with other social engagement(s) on Saturday night. 3. The weather was so nice that I just kept riding and forgot all about Bike Night. 4. Didn't want to come into DC. 5. Other. Thanx! Chuck, aka Deerhunter -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas >> From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 09:55:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CDt2O25545 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:55:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 2.3e.cfc3401 (25512) for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:54:53 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3e.cfc3401.2857792d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:54:53 EDT Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 6/11/2001 10:14:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes: > > << Let me guess...sabers at dawn? >> > > > > Foils are more elegant. > > Ah yes, but .45s are more effective. We are talking Honda V 45 Sabers? Right? John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 10:01:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11206.mail.yahoo.com (web11206.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.188]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5CE1PO25727 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010612140123.51770.qmail@web11206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.71.174.14] by web11206.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 07:01:23 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 07:01:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: RE: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Maybe Stephen King could write a story about this.... Oh yeah, he already did. It's called "The Dark Half". Great book. --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Actually, I think Gimer is Jordan's Evil Twin > Brother. Or is Jordan Gimer's Evil Twin Brother? > Or are they really triplets and Anker is the normal > one? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 10:25:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h000.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5CEPeO26065 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:25:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 16733 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2001 07:25:13 -0700 Received: from w156.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net (HELO laura) (216.112.246.156) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.164) with SMTP; 12 Jun 2001 07:25:13 -0700 X-Sent: 12 Jun 2001 14:25:13 GMT Message-ID: <01ad01c0f34b$c6b632e0$9cf670d8@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: , Cc: References: Subject: Re: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz are we there yet? ... was ... Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:27:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 >>>>It's better than...."gee I went racing and loved it" threads. ummm, and what exactly is wrong with those??? LAG From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 10:24:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f141.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.141]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CEOhO26057 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 07:12:28 -0700 Received: from 199.228.142.5 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:12:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [199.228.142.5] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Team Jordan Racing in the news! Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:12:27 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2001 14:12:28.0265 (UTC) FILETIME=[B6471D90:01C0F349] Hmmm...actually I think SK was beat to the punch by Thomas Tryon with "The Other" >From: Matthew Rosenstock >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Team Jordan Racing in the news! >Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 07:01:23 -0700 (PDT) > >Maybe Stephen King could write a story about this.... >Oh yeah, he already did. It's called "The Dark Half". >Great book. > > >--- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > Actually, I think Gimer is Jordan's Evil Twin > > Brother. Or is Jordan Gimer's Evil Twin Brother? > > Or are they really triplets and Anker is the normal > > one? > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 10:54:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f235.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.235]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CEs7O26563 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:54:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 07:53:59 -0700 Received: from 64.105.47.79 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:53:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.105.47.79] From: "Altaan Choudhry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:53:59 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2001 14:53:59.0780 (UTC) FILETIME=[83562240:01C0F34F] I can vouch here for Brian also. First time I met Brian was once when I went to Speedwerks in DE. I had gone there to see a bike Steve the owner had for sale. Brian haapened to be hanging there at that time. After I looked at the bike and had made a deal to buy it - Brian introduced himself and I said that I had heard a lot about him on the DC-Cycles list. He had answered all my questions about the bike I wanted to purchase and when he heard I lived in VA and was having trouble transporting the bike to VA he volunteered without any hasitation. He went completely out of his way on a weekend to bring the bike right to my house and dropping it for me - eventhough he had a lot of other things he could have done. On other occassions Brian has also answered a lot of my stupid questions on numerous phone calls I have made to him never getting annoyed no even once. The point here I am trying to make here is - It is easy to make friends but real friends are hard to cme by. Regards Altaan Choudhry 9D7 TLS ================================================================== Brian Roach wrote: On Wed, 06 Jun 2001, RacerGirl435@XXXXXX wrote: Hey Laura! You and Roach are then ones with the Aprilia RS250's! Why don't YOU guys buy beer and snacks for everybody eh!? hehe Non-motorcycle having wanna be racing an Aprilia RS250,Jess We do, but generally only for people who don't talk about us behind our backs. And to answer the smart ass little remark you made at the track about Laura around people who know me (Funny how everyone at the track seems to know me, huh?), yes, it IS nice to be on the Brian Roach racing program. Ask Sean Jordan, Gil Gates, AND Laura. OR, any of the vast number of good people whom I've helped out at the track over the last 3 years either with setting up their bikes, hauling them around the country, or putting their bikes back together after they crashed. If you have a problem with me buying a bike for Laura to race, please, let me know what it is... I'll happily explain that A) I wanted to, because I can and she's quite possibly the greatest woman I've ever met, and B) It's none of your damn business. Maybe you should have made the payments on your bike, eh? Then you'd have a streetbike like Laura does. - Roach _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 10:55:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CEtNO26586 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-199.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.199]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA08124 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:55:18 -0400 Posted-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:55:18 -0400 Message-ID: <00a801c0f345$e30dcf80$7ca4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Non-Moto -- computer/office gear recycling Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:45:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C0F324.590A66C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C0F324.590A66C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From today's Post -- Washtech pE5. 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------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C0F324.590A66C0-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 10:59:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13806.mail.yahoo.com (web13806.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5CExaO26672 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010612145933.51018.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.131.90.209] by web13806.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 07:59:33 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 07:59:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: To: Altaan Choudhry , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I can vouch too......the man set me up with leathers and a place to call home for California Superbike School 2000 and 2001 at VIR. Also, he is a nice gut (at least when he's got the right tires on his bike!!) Mark --- Altaan Choudhry wrote: > I can vouch here for Brian also. > First time I met Brian was once when I went to > Speedwerks in DE. > I had gone there to see a bike Steve the owner had > for sale. > Brian haapened to be hanging there at that time. > After I looked at the bike > and had made a deal to buy it - Brian introduced > himself and I said that I > had heard a lot about him on the DC-Cycles list. He > had answered all my > questions about the bike I wanted to purchase and > when he heard I lived in > VA and was having trouble transporting the bike to > VA he volunteered without > any hasitation. He went completely out of his way on > a weekend to bring the > bike right to my house and dropping it for me - > eventhough he had a lot of > other things he could have done. On other occassions > Brian has also answered > a lot of my stupid questions on numerous phone calls > I have made to him > never getting annoyed no even once. The point here I > am trying to make here > is - It is easy to make friends but real friends are > hard to cme by. > > Regards > > Altaan Choudhry > 9D7 TLS > > ================================================================== > Brian Roach wrote: > > On Wed, 06 Jun 2001, RacerGirl435@XXXXXX wrote: > > Hey Laura! > > You and Roach are then ones with the Aprilia > RS250's! Why don't YOU guys > buy beer and snacks for everybody eh!? hehe > > Non-motorcycle having wanna be racing an Aprilia > RS250,Jess > We do, but generally only for people who don't talk > about us behind our > backs. > > And to answer the smart ass little remark you made > at the track about Laura > around people who know me (Funny how everyone at the > track seems to know me, > huh?), yes, it IS nice to be on the Brian Roach > racing program. Ask Sean > Jordan, Gil Gates, AND Laura. OR, any of the vast > number of good people whom > I've helped out at the track over the last 3 years > either with setting up > their bikes, hauling them around the country, or > putting their bikes back > together after they crashed. > > If you have a problem with me buying a bike for > Laura to race, please, let > me know what it is... I'll happily explain that A) I > wanted to, because I > can and she's quite possibly the greatest woman I've > ever met, and B) It's > none of your damn business. Maybe you should have > made the payments on your > bike, eh? Then you'd have a streetbike like Laura > does. > > - Roach > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > ===== http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 11:06:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CF60O26855 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA11883 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paparazzo.umiacs.umd.edu (paparazzo.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.133]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA10272 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by paparazzo.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA88315 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (max2h-184.his.com [216.32.85.184]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA00407 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20010612110605.01173444@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:06:08 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Team Charm @ WERA Summit Point Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" We did better this this weekend at Summit Point. Read all about it at: http://www.his.com/~harris/news.htm For next event info see: http://www.his.com/~harris/sched.htm Enjoy! Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 11:07:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CF7mO26865 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 1.bf.f636d4b (4411); Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:07:43 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:07:43 EDT Subject: Fwd: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: sean.jordan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_bf.f636d4b.28578a3f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 123 --part1_bf.f636d4b.28578a3f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmmm...I missed that you had sent that to the list. DOH. --part1_bf.f636d4b.28578a3f_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Full-name: SKeener2 Message-ID: <44.ec68b4b.28578a0b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:06:51 EDT Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: t_gimer@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 123 > occasionally? riiiiight. Admittedly...he's over the top many times. > i'm glad to see that someone who admittedly has no idea > what is being discussed feels the need to chime in with > support for his buddy. the more the merrier. i just wish > you had provided ANYTHING comprehendible. Hmmm...feeling a bit full of yourself. That's ok....we expect that from lawyers. > > Frivolity? Uh...actually...I'd say the tone of your > > posts (As I read them) seem to lean towards belligerent. > > thank god we have you here to make sure sean doesn't get > hurt! i think sean has demonstrated the ability to fend > for himself in the past. why not let him? Oh...he's doing just fine. In fact...the more belligerant you act....the funnier it gets for the rest. > as for you, i have no idea who you are or what you think > you have brought to the table by jumping in. Good point. I'm a club racer. That means I actually understand bikes, racing, and imagine this....humor. Obviously you've missed the boat on all 3. > > Let me guess...sabers at dawn? > > lost again. Why does this not surprise me. For an 'educated lawyer'....you seem to be missing a few things. > congrats, keener. you just succeeded in (1) contributing > nothing to the discussion and (2) making sure it continues > (against the wishes of many, including myself). I contributed exactly what I wanted too. It wasn't what YOU wanted to hear. But I'm fine with that. Keener --part1_bf.f636d4b.28578a3f_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 11:10:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CFAFO26888 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (ip201.herndon38.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.38.100.201]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA12499 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B2630DD.DDEE3C42@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:10:21 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: References: <20010612145933.51018.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Geez, is the list now becoming the Brian Roach fan club??? Gag!!! %^) OK, I have to admit that Brian is a nice guy. He transported my GSXR to/from CSS@VIR last year. And helped me make sure it was roadworthy to ride home from his place afterwards (since I had lowsided it at CSS). Chuck, aka Deerhunter Mark Kitchell wrote: > > I can vouch too......the man set me up with leathers > and a place to call home for California Superbike > School 2000 and 2001 at VIR. Also, he is a nice gut > (at least when he's got the right tires on his bike!!) -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 11:14:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CFESO26975 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id o.70.b8f7c4e (4411); Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:13:55 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <70.b8f7c4e.28578bb3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:13:55 EDT Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 123 In a message dated 6/11/01 8:37:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes: > I will only sign off on the above statement, if they're used in the > manner of motorcycle jousting. Maybe we could set up a little cone > course in the MVA parking lot... > ;-) I'm up for that. Do we do it be bike size? Rider size? Or the size of their ego??? :-)) Keener From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 11:19:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CFJaO27074 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 3.ad.be67e4f (4411); Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:17:50 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:17:49 EDT Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: llarson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 123 In a message dated 6/11/01 11:24:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, llarson@XXXXXX writes: > Maybe Gimer and Jordan are one and the same, and we're all really being had. I doubt it. Cause I'd pimp slap Jordan across the track if he annoyed me like a certain idiot. :-)) Keener From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 11:21:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lmimailg.lmi.org ([198.3.128.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CFLPO27154 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lmimailg.lmi.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:21:21 -0400 Message-ID: <69FF9744D75D8E44BB30C01515D2D5DD408077@lmimaila.lmi.org> From: "ROBERSON, Brian" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Starter Valve Sync -- work on the side? Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:21:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0F353.4FEA6390" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0F353.4FEA6390 Content-Type: text/plain Does anyone perform starter valve sync's as side work ?? I'm interested in learning how to do it, but probably need instruction. Or if someone does it on the side for $$$ -- please mail me off-list.. I've noticed my 99 VFR is taking 2-3 attempts at the starter to get her fired up. Offlist replies would be great.. Thanks! Brian ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0F353.4FEA6390 Content-Type: text/html Message
Does anyone perform starter valve sync's as side work ?? I'm interested in learning how to do it, but probably need instruction.  Or if someone does it on the side for $$$ -- please mail me off-list.. I've noticed my 99 VFR is taking 2-3 attempts at the starter to get her fired up.  Offlist replies would be great.. Thanks!
 
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C0F353.4FEA6390-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 11:26:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.warren-news.com (mail.warren-news.com [209.8.211.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5CFQQO27193 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from EXCHANGE by mail.warren-news.com via smtpd (for dsl027-137-007.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.27.137.7]) with SMTP; 12 Jun 2001 15:29:01 UT Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:25:50 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Fisk, Euan" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Bike vs. Pedestrian accidents? Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:25:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Started thinking about what would happen in a motorcycle vs. pedestrian accident after I went around Washington Cir. near GW hospital this morning. Pedestrian ran out from between two parked cars almost into my front wheel. Heavy swerve to avoid running into the guy. [he was nowhere near a cross walk and I had a green light.] Had the same thing almost happen in Georgetown last week. Anyone have any experience with the physics of 400+ lb. motorbike+rider hitting >200 lb. human? Not looking for conscience clearing confessions here, just some morbid curiosity as to what could happen sooner or later. -Euan whetu@XXXXXX efisk@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 11:40:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from oak.pwcglobal.com (oak.pwcglobal.com [12.26.159.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CFewO27512 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by oak.pwcglobal.com; id LAA06963; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:39:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from uxtpabuf1.us.pw.com(10.26.104.81) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (V5.5) id xma029893; Tue, 12 Jun 01 11:36:47 -0400 Received: from us-amsmta005.us.pw.com by uxtpabuf1.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3932) with ESMTP id <0GET00MPLQ1AJT@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:38:04 -0400 Subject: Re: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz are we there yet? ... was ... Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: lgranato@XXXXXX Cc: suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.6 |December 14, 2000) at 06/12/2001 11:38:11 AM Nothing at all. I just hadn't seen a post from you in a few minutes and I knew you would respond. :-) --chris Laura Granato on 06/12/2001 10:27:13 AM To: Christopher Meier/US/ABAS/PwC@Americas-US suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz are we there yet? ... was ... Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! >>>>It's better than...."gee I went racing and loved it" threads. ummm, and what exactly is wrong with those??? LAG ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 11:45:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from johnson.mail.mindspring.net (johnson.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.177]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CFjNO27677 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:45:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (ip201.herndon38.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.38.100.201]) by johnson.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA13190 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B26390E.E8C28E7A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:45:18 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Bike vs. Pedestrian accidents? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Assuming the m/c has any speed at all and using my one and only experience with a deer, I am guessing that the result would be one dead homo sapien and anywhere from light damage to a total write-off for the m/c (largely depending on whether the m/c hits something else more substantial after the human). Chuck, aka Deerhunter "Fisk, Euan" wrote : > > almost happen in Georgetown last week. Anyone > have any experience with the physics of 400+ lb. > motorbike+rider hitting >200 lb. human? Not looking > for conscience clearing confessions here, just some > morbid curiosity as to what could happen sooner or later. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 11:48:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9606.mail.yahoo.com (web9606.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5CFmcO27690 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010612154831.8380.qmail@web9606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.11.149.33] by web9606.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:48:31 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:48:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannette Subject: Re: Bike vs. Pedestrian accidents? To: "Fisk, Euan" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What is WITH the idiots these days!? I had a woman do that to me yesterday, too, in my TRUCK. I had to brake HARD and I laid on the horn. She looked in my direction like, "hmmm, oh well..." It didn't even PHASE her!!! WTF? - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 --- "Fisk, Euan" wrote: > Started thinking about what would happen in a > motorcycle vs. pedestrian accident after I went > around Washington Cir. near GW hospital this > morning. > Pedestrian ran out from between two parked cars > almost into my front wheel. Heavy swerve to avoid > running into the guy. [he was nowhere near a cross > walk and I had a green light.] Had the same thing > almost happen in Georgetown last week. Anyone > have any experience with the physics of 400+ lb. > motorbike+rider hitting >200 lb. human? Not looking > for conscience clearing confessions here, just some > morbid curiosity as to what could happen sooner or > later. > -Euan > whetu@XXXXXX > efisk@XXXXXX > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 11:51:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14606.mail.yahoo.com (web14606.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5CFoxO27779 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010612155056.90866.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.9.247.2] by web14606.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:50:56 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:50:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Fwd: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: SKeener2@XXXXXX, sean.jordan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote: > > occasionally? riiiiight. > > Admittedly...he's over the top many times. > > > i'm glad to see that someone who admittedly has no > > idea what is being discussed feels the need to chime in > > with support for his buddy. the more the merrier. i > > just wish you had provided ANYTHING comprehendible. > > Hmmm...feeling a bit full of yourself. That's ok....we > expect that from lawyers. > > > > Frivolity? Uh...actually...I'd say the tone of your > > > posts (As I read them) seem to lean towards > > > belligerent. > > > > thank god we have you here to make sure sean doesn't > > get hurt! i think sean has demonstrated the ability to > > fend for himself in the past. why not let him? > > Oh...he's doing just fine. In fact...the more > belligerant you act....the funnier it gets for the rest. i have yet to send a belligerent post. you see, i'm getting married on saturday, and i wouldn't want to take any negative energy into that special day. i'll be belligerent when i return from the Carribean. > > as for you, i have no idea who you are or what you > > think you have brought to the table by jumping in. > > Good point. I'm a club racer. That means I actually > understand bikes, racing, and imagine this....humor. > Obviously you've missed the boat on all 3. that makes perfect sense: as a club racer you understand humor! and i've OBVIOUSLY missed the boat on bikes, racing and humor. don't worry, there is no need to tell the crowd why i've missed that boat or how i've demonstrated it. it's simply obvious! i don't doubt that you understand racing and bikes. there probably are very few club racers who don't. but, what the hell that has to do with what you brought to this particular discussion is beyond me. > > > Let me guess...sabers at dawn? > > > > lost again. > > Why does this not surprise me. For an 'educated > lawyer'....you seem to be missing a few things. > > > congrats, keener. you just succeeded in (1) > > contributing nothing to the discussion and (2) making > > sure it continues (against the wishes of many, > > including myself). > > I contributed exactly what I wanted too. It wasn't what > YOU wanted to hear. But I'm fine with that. to each his own. if it gets sean jordan's nose buried in your ass for a couple weekends, good for you. brian could use the time off. -- tg ===== tg check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 12:01:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CG16O27967 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id r.75.161dc620 (4239); Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:00:47 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <75.161dc620.285796af@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:00:47 EDT Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: t_gimer@XXXXXX CC: sean.jordan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 123 > i have yet to send a belligerent post. you see, i'm > getting married on saturday, and i wouldn't want to take > any negative energy into that special day. i'll be > belligerent when i return from the Carribean. Poor woman. Relative of Hellen Keller? > that makes perfect sense: as a club racer you understand > humor! and i've OBVIOUSLY missed the boat on bikes, racing > and humor. don't worry, there is no need to tell the crowd > why i've missed that boat or how i've demonstrated it. > it's simply obvious! Yup. I agree you are clueless. > i don't doubt that you understand racing and bikes. there > probably are very few club racers who don't. but, what the > hell that has to do with what you brought to this > particular discussion is beyond me. Hmm...and here I thought this started over Sean's posting about racing. > > I contributed exactly what I wanted too. It wasn't what > > YOU wanted to hear. But I'm fine with that. > > to each his own. if it gets sean jordan's nose buried in > your ass for a couple weekends, good for you. brian could > use the time off. Uh...see line in sand...the one behind you. Try not to be toooooo offensive in your egocentric replies. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 12:04:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CG4ZO27988 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.47]) id QQktcq12589 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:04:34 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQktcq04707 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:02:49 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010612155056.90866.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010612155056.90866.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:02:46 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Fwd: Team Jordan Racing in the news! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > you see, i'm >getting married on saturday, and i wouldn't want to take >any negative energy into that special day. i'll be >belligerent when i return from the Carribean. I didn't know you were getting married! Team Jordan Racing would like to dedicate this coming weekend's racing to the future Mr. and Mrs. Tom Gimer! Mazel Tov! Oh, yeah, Dick sends his best as well. :P -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #230 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 12:29:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CGToO28523 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id f.95.be870a3 (15905); Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web36.aolmail.aol.com (web36.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.12]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v78_r3.8) with ESMTP; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:29:09 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:29:09 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike vs. Pedestrian accidents? To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <95.be870a3.28579d55@aol.com> Chuck (aka Deerhunter), I think you can handle this question. ;-) After all, hitting a deer that jumps out in front of you is almost like hitting a human. Roughly the same weight. You, bike and victim would probably go splat. Scooter In a message dated Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:27:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Fisk, Euan" writes: << Started thinking about what would happen in a motorcycle vs. pedestrian accident after I went around Washington Cir. near GW hospital this morning. Pedestrian ran out from between two parked cars almost into my front wheel. Heavy swerve to avoid running into the guy. [he was nowhere near a cross walk and I had a green light.] Had the same thing almost happen in Georgetown last week. Anyone have any experience with the physics of 400+ lb. motorbike+rider hitting >200 lb. human? Not looking for conscience clearing confessions here, just some morbid curiosity as to what could happen sooner or later. -Euan whetu@XXXXXX efisk@XXXXXX >> From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 12:36:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CGawO28699 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id f.35.166f84b2 (4239); Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:36:36 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <35.166f84b2.28579f13@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:36:35 EDT Subject: Re: Bike vs. Pedestrian accidents? To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, efisk@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 123 In a message dated 6/12/01 12:32:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX writes: > Chuck (aka Deerhunter), I think you can handle this question. ;-) After all, > hitting a deer that jumps out in front of you is almost like hitting a human. > Roughly the same weight. You, bike and victim would probably go splat. Depends on how fast, where on the deer you hit, and your luck. They had an indicent about 4 years ago at Summit in practice. Deer ran out...got hit by racer....and the rider didn't go down. Deer was DOA. Comes down to luck basically. But I'd expect to be pavement surfing if it happened to me. Keener From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 13:19:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14608.mail.yahoo.com (web14608.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.88]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5CHJ1O29434 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010612171859.19249.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.9.247.2] by web14608.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:18:59 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:18:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: SKeener2@XXXXXX Cc: sean.jordan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <75.161dc620.285796af@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote: > > > i have yet to send a belligerent post. you see, i'm > > getting married on saturday, and i wouldn't want to > > take any negative energy into that special day. i'll > > be belligerent when i return from the Carribean. > > Poor woman. Relative of Hellen Keller? sorry. more like helen of troy. > > i don't doubt that you understand racing and bikes. > > there probably are very few club racers who don't. > > but, what the hell that has to do with what you > > brought to this particular discussion is beyond me. > > Hmm...and here I thought this started over Sean's posting > about racing. and you have provided SO MUCH insight during this thread regarding that "death-defying" sport! i'm sorry, but "i'm a club racer" doesn't count for shit. at the very least you could have provided some mortality stats from summitt point. however, there was to be no valuable input from the latest lurker to come out of the darkness. pity. :( > > > I contributed exactly what I wanted too. It wasn't > > > what YOU wanted to hear. But I'm fine with that. > > > > to each his own. if it gets sean jordan's nose buried > > in your ass for a couple weekends, good for you. brian > > could use the time off. > > Uh...see line in sand...the one behind you. Try not to > be toooooo offensive in your egocentric replies. what line? don't see one. won't see one. how very egocentric of me to point out that all we have here is some guy who saw his friend getting razzed for being full-of-it, then decided to "help out" by jumping in with nothing to add. i'm truly embarrassed by this display of selfishness. note: i am seriously fucking sick of dealing with this stupid shit (as are others, including you?). you and i will of course have plenty of lovely, stimulating discussions when i return from paradise. until then, please enjoy your race weekends. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 14:04:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe22.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.15]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CI4sO00262 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:52:45 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [209.119.26.40] From: "Dexter Medley" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010612121140.00ab8f00@mail.9netave.com> Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:54:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2001 17:52:45.0527 (UTC) FILETIME=[7C613E70:01C0F368] > i have yet to send a belligerent post. you see, i'm > getting married on saturday, and i wouldn't want to take > any negative energy into that special day. Ummm, let's see (removing binary shoes from IT feet) -- that would give you 3.5 days left to resign from the bar. Assuming you've passed a bar exam, that is. > i'll be belligerent when i return from the Carribean. Oh, good. That makes it all the more likely you'll be terminated before you breed. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 14:13:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe52.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.52]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CIDXO00441 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:01:52 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [209.119.26.40] From: "Dexter Medley" To: Subject: Aprilia / PowerRide latest horror story Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:03:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D1_01C0F348.6F5AF240" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2001 18:01:52.0000 (UTC) FILETIME=[C21A6800:01C0F369] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D1_01C0F348.6F5AF240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I'm told I'll get my Falco back from Coleman / PowerRide this Friday, after only two and a half months waiting for a new=20 radiator to arrive. Do any Aprilia owners know if this is the=20 norm for Aprilia parts? I'm pretty disgusted. I see that Clinton Cycles is now an Aprilia dealership. Has=20 anyone dealt with theie service department? Any=20 comparisons to Coleman / PowerRide? Thanks -- Larry ------=_NextPart_000_00D1_01C0F348.6F5AF240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_00D1_01C0F348.6F5AF240-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 14:27:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11505.mail.yahoo.com (web11505.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5CIRqO00748 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:27:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010612182750.53884.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.254.76.22] by web11505.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:27:50 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:27:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hmm Tom, all the lurkers are coming out of the wood work... who are these people we've never seen post??? Glenn --- Dexter Medley wrote: > > i have yet to send a belligerent post. you see, > i'm > > getting married on saturday, and i wouldn't want > to take > > any negative energy into that special day. > > Ummm, let's see (removing binary shoes from IT feet) > -- that would give you > 3.5 days left to resign from the bar. Assuming > you've passed a bar exam, > that is. > > > i'll be belligerent when i return from the > Carribean. > > Oh, good. That makes it all the more likely you'll > be terminated before you > breed. > > -- Larry > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 14:30:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11006.mail.yahoo.com (web11006.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.56]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5CIUTO00832 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010612183025.71733.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.230.55.8] by web11006.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:30:25 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:30:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: Aprilia / PowerRide latest horror story To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have only dealt with them on my Triumph. I guess they are alright. John the service manager has always been honest and willing to work with me on a lot of things. Trey --- Dexter Medley wrote: > Well, I'm told I'll get my Falco back from Coleman / > PowerRide > this Friday, after only two and a half months > waiting for a new > radiator to arrive. Do any Aprilia owners know if > this is the > norm for Aprilia parts? I'm pretty disgusted. > > I see that Clinton Cycles is now an Aprilia > dealership. Has > anyone dealt with theie service department? Any > comparisons to Coleman / PowerRide? > > Thanks -- Larry > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 15:08:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CJ8WO01458 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id r.118.378f15 (4415); Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:08:19 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <118.378f15.2857c2a3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:08:19 EDT Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: t_gimer@XXXXXX CC: sean.jordan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 123 > sorry. more like helen of troy. 1. Great answer for a prospective husband....I'll steal that sometime. 2. Sure it wasn't Helen of Toy? OK...I'll leave the inflatible jokes for another time. > > Hmm...and here I thought this started over Sean's posting > > about racing. > > and you have provided SO MUCH insight during this thread > regarding that "death-defying" sport! i'm sorry, but "i'm > a club racer" doesn't count for shit. at the very least > you could have provided some mortality stats from summitt > point. however, there was to be no valuable input from the > latest lurker to come out of the darkness. pity. :( OK...since you asked. I race in the Mid Atlantic region of the Championship Cup Series. I am currently the #3 ranked expert for the region. I also have AMA and FUSA pro licenses. As for death defying....I never said that. I race because I enjoy it....period. Arethere better racers...sure...plenty of them Are you a better rider....who knows. Better yet...who cares? > > Uh...see line in sand...the one behind you. Try not to > > be toooooo offensive in your egocentric replies. > > what line? don't see one. won't see one. Uh huh. As per most e-mail hecklers....tis easy to speak and hide. > how very egocentric of me to point out that all we have > here is some guy who saw his friend getting razzed for > being full-of-it, then decided to "help out" by jumping in > with nothing to add. i'm truly embarrassed by this display > of selfishness. I jumped in because you are full of yourself. > note: i am seriously fucking sick of dealing with this > stupid shit (as are others, including you?). you and i > will of course have plenty of lovely, stimulating > discussions when i return from paradise. until then, > please enjoy your race weekends. Please....play with sharks. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 15:11:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CJBkO01493 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id i.d4.7aa3195 (4415); Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:11:33 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:11:32 EDT Subject: Re: Aprilia / PowerRide latest horror story To: pltrgyst@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 123 In a message dated 6/12/01 2:14:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pltrgyst@XXXXXX writes: > Well, I'm told I'll get my Falco back from Coleman / PowerRide > this Friday, after only two and a half months waiting for a new > radiator to arrive. Do any Aprilia owners know if this is the > norm for Aprilia parts? I'm pretty disgusted. Can I ask what happened? Keener From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 15:47:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CJl5O02144 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-87-226.s607.tnt4.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.87.226] helo=palladio) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #6) id 159u7u-0006bx-00 ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:46:59 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c0f378$f80b7760$bb82fea9@palladio> From: "Paul Wilson" To: Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <3B2616D0.78FE82EF@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Bike Night @ The Rock Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:48:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Chuck, since I was there, I can't speak for why people didn't show en masse, but DC was a veritable ghost town this past weekend. I've never seen it so dead or traffic-free. Everyone was at the beach or in the mountains I guess. You couldn't ask for a better parking set up, especially in DC, and we had police presence for at least part of the evening. Since it's about fifteen blocks from my house I had no excuses for not showing up. Thanks for putting together another great Bike Night. Not that I mind going to VA, but it was nice having a Bike Night on my home turf. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Pena > First, I want to thank everyone who came to Bike Night @ The Rock last > Saturday. If it's not too much trouble, please let > us know why you didn't come to Bike Night: > > 1. Not in town that weekend (e.g., at the races, at the beach). > 2. Already busy with other social engagement(s) on Saturday night. > 3. The weather was so nice that I just kept riding and forgot all about > Bike Night. > 4. Didn't want to come into DC. > 5. Other. > > Thanx! > > Chuck, aka Deerhunter From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 15:52:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14606.mail.yahoo.com (web14606.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5CJq4O02226 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010612195154.44737.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.9.247.2] by web14606.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:51:54 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:51:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: Dexter Medley , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dexter Medley wrote: > > i have yet to send a belligerent post. you see, i'm > > getting married on saturday, and i wouldn't want to > > take any negative energy into that special day. > > Ummm, let's see (removing binary shoes from IT feet) -- > that would give you 3.5 days left to resign from the bar. > Assuming you've passed a bar exam, that is. boy, the jordan-supporters certainly are a clever bunch. > > i'll be belligerent when i return from the Carribean. > > Oh, good. That makes it all the more likely you'll be > terminated before you breed. i knew something was missing....it's always nice to hear someone i've never met publicly wish for my death. dexter/larry: motorcyclists in particular don't need the additional negative karma (/fate) that you are bringing upon yourself by such talk. good luck to you. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 16:37:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe55.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.55]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CKbOO03050 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:37:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:37:17 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [209.119.26.40] From: "Dexter Medley" To: References: <20010612195154.44737.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:38:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2001 20:37:17.0004 (UTC) FILETIME=[783D18C0:01C0F37F] > boy, the jordan-supporters certainly are a clever bunch. "Jordan supporter"? No, just a neutral reader who's never met anyone from dc-cycles. It's usually fun reading, but I'm not into gang mentality, and I do my racing on four wheels. >i knew something was missing....it's always nice to hear >someone i've never met publicly wish for my death. Yours, in particular? Nah -- never met you, and you might be a perfectly nice guy away from a keyboard. Just in the Shakespearean sense, as in "kill all the lawyers", or Tom Paxton's song "10,000,000 lawyers and Other Natural Disasters". Actually, my best friend is an attorney, but he's an environmental litigator and educator, generally benign. I try to overlook it. >dexter/larry: motorcyclists in particular don't need the >additional negative karma (/fate) that you are bringing >upon yourself by such talk. good luck to you. Karma? Fate? Sorry, don't believe in either one. As far as weddings go, I had one myself, a long time ago. I think Dick Gregory had it right when he advised Sammy Davis on his conversion to Judaism: "Don't go. What you want to be segregated twice for?" -- Larry '01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco '84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike) '01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small emergency backup bike) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 16:47:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CKlCO03263 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 2.c6.16e86404 (16634) for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:47:09 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:47:08 EDT Subject: Re: Bike vs. Pedestrian accidents? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 6/12/2001 11:27:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, efisk@XXXXXX writes: > xperience with the physics of 400+ lb. > motorbike+rider hitting >200 lb. human? I know a guy who once saw someone get his leg ripped off that way. Big vs. Small = Small loses. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 16:47:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe69.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CKlmO03276 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:47:41 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [209.119.26.40] From: "Dexter Medley" To: References: Subject: Re: Aprilia / PowerRide latest horror story Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:49:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2001 20:47:41.0398 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC680F60:01C0F380] ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 3:11 PM Subject: Re: Aprilia / PowerRide latest horror story Can I ask what happened? ------------------------------------ You can, but I'm not telling. It's too embarassing. Sigh. The Aprilia is prone to false neutrals. You can see it coming, right? I returned home about 8:30 one night, pulled next to my Miata, grabbed neutral (light on), and started to dismount to open the garage door, without the extra care I'd been taking at stoplights,etc. False neutral, bike lurched about five feet. Took out three faring panels and the right front turn signal, somehow holed the radiator (probably bashed a corner), knocked the driver's side mirror off the car and scraped the door, busted one panel on the garage door. Three disasters in one swell foop. Luckily I didn't get hurt at all. Thirty-five years of riding is no protection against one second of carelessness. Kinda like the Texas armadillo: "75,000 years of evolution made obsolete overnight by the invention of the Buick Roadmaster." -- Larry '01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco '84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike) '01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small emergency backup bike) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 16:50:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CKo8O03355 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 2.3a.165c7384 (16634) for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:49:55 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3a.165c7384.2857da73@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:49:55 EDT Subject: Fwd: Bike vs. Pedestrian accidents? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_3a.165c7384.2857da73_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 --part1_3a.165c7384.2857da73_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_3a.165c7384.2857da73_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Full-name: PenguinBiker Message-ID: <9c.f549d84.2857da49@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:49:13 EDT Subject: Re: Bike vs. Pedestrian accidents? To: gingerdc9@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 6/12/2001 11:50:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gingerdc9@XXXXXX writes: > I had a woman do that to me yesterday, too, in my > TRUCK. She takes her vitamins, eats low fat foods, and always obeys the law. Hell she is immortal. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer --part1_3a.165c7384.2857da73_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 16:52:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CKquO03376 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id i.be.15de89b6 (4415); Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:52:41 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:52:41 EDT Subject: Re: Aprilia / PowerRide latest horror story To: pltrgyst@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 123 In a message dated 6/12/01 4:49:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pltrgyst@XXXXXX writes: > False neutral, bike lurched about five feet. Took out three faring panels > and the right front turn signal, somehow holed the radiator (probably bashed > a corner), knocked the driver's side mirror off the car and scraped the > door, busted one panel on the garage door. Three disasters in one swell > foop. Luckily I didn't get hurt at all. I feel your pain. I did something just as bad back in 1995 on my 3 week old GSXR750. I forgot about the disc lock while starting out for work a bit late. After nearly going over the bars...I had wrestling-fest tryign to keep it from falling on it's side....I lost. > Thirty-five years of riding is no protection against one second of > carelessness. Kinda like the Texas armadillo: "75,000 years of evolution > made obsolete overnight by the invention of the Buick Roadmaster." Yup. I gave up on disc locks....now I just keep the damn bikes in the garage. Keener From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 17:13:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14603.mail.yahoo.com (web14603.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.83]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5CLDYO03756 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010612211331.72912.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.9.247.2] by web14603.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:13:31 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:13:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: SKeener2@XXXXXX Cc: sean.jordan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <118.378f15.2857c2a3@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > Hmm...and here I thought this started over Sean's > > > posting about racing. > > > > and you have provided SO MUCH insight during this > > thread regarding that "death-defying" sport! i'm > > sorry, but "i'm a club racer" doesn't count for shit. > > at the very least you could have provided some > > mortality stats from summitt point. however, there > > was to be no valuable input from the latest lurker to > > come out of the darkness. pity. :( > > OK...since you asked. I race in the Mid Atlantic region > of the Championship Cup Series. I am currently the #3 > ranked expert for the region. I also have AMA and FUSA > pro licenses. As for death defying....I never said > that. I race because I enjoy it....period. Arethere > better racers...sure...plenty of them Are you a better > rider....who knows. Better yet...who cares? at least now i know who i'm talking to. impressive. no, i am not a better rider. but, i am a different type of rider, so we are incomparable. i choose to hang and regularly explore with the best bunch of mofos around (mid-atlantic, southeast, and sometimes midwest and far north twisties). for anyone who is interested, our group site can be found at http://www.wsdymfg.com (i hope giving the url out is ok, cj...it's for a good cause (to prove i'm actually human and NOT sean jordan)) > > > Uh...see line in sand...the one behind you. Try not > > > to be toooooo offensive in your egocentric replies. > > > > what line? don't see one. won't see one. > > Uh huh. As per most e-mail hecklers....tis easy to speak > and hide. i don't hide. however, having various bar associations looking over my shoulder means i also don't go searching for the next skull to crack..... > Please.......play with sharks. i'm touched! these are some of the kindest words i've received today. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 17:20:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CLKsO03933 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id r.be.15de89c1 (4415); Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:20:42 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:20:42 EDT Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: t_gimer@XXXXXX CC: sean.jordan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 123 > at least now i know who i'm talking to. impressive. Thanks. Half is luck. The other half is having better equipment. I just get to ride in circles. :) > no, i am not a better rider. but, i am a different type of > rider, so we are incomparable. i choose to hang and Pretty much spot on. > regularly explore with the best bunch of mofos around > (mid-atlantic, southeast, and sometimes midwest and far > north twisties). for anyone who is interested, our group > site can be found at http://www.wsdymfg.com (i hope giving > the url out is ok, cj...it's for a good cause (to prove i'm > actually human and NOT sean jordan)) I have problems really canyon bombing....not that I don't like to play somewhat. It's just that my perceived riding limits are far higher than your average street rider. (As would any roadracer's be....) So I tend to be leery about riding in groups at a faster pace in the twisties. I don't want a squid hitting me....nor would I like to see them try and emulate me and wreck. And proving Sean is human is at best difficult. > > Uh huh. As per most e-mail hecklers....tis easy to speak > > and hide. > > i don't hide. however, having various bar associations > looking over my shoulder means i also don't go searching > for the next skull to crack..... And I do? How do you know I'm not 5'2" and 125 lbs? Would make sense with me being a roadracer huh? I probably run and hide at the thought of a physical altercation. Or maybe I don't. Hmmmmmm. :) > > Please.......play with sharks. > > i'm touched! these are some of the kindest words i've received today. Unfortunately, since you are a lawyer....and in DC...that might actually be true. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 17:26:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CLQ2O03971 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.47]) id QQktdl24560 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:25:52 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQktdl15123 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:24:52 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010612211331.72912.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010612211331.72912.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:24:49 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" This is good. I'm the quiet one now, Steve is the flamer, and Tom is flame returner. Let's see....ok, now it's Tom's turn to be quiet, I'll flame Steve, and he can shoot back! Where's Jack and Squeekers? -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 17:30:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CLUWO04125 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.144]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GEU0006Q6ED5W@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:30:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GEU004016DSCR@XXXXXX>; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:30:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GEU0039P6DF7I@XXXXXX>; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:29:39 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:29:38 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: SKeener2@XXXXXX Cc: t_gimer@XXXXXX, sean.jordan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3B2689C2.A0AEBAB2@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote: > > And I do? How do you know I'm not 5'2" and 125 lbs? Would make sense with > me being a roadracer huh? I probably run and hide at the thought of a > physical altercation. Or maybe I don't. Hmmmmmm. :) I hate to step in in the middle of a good argument, I enjoy the flame wars as much as anyone, but the vision I just had of a 5'2" 125 lb roadracer trying to run and hide from anything in a helmet and full race leathers on just started me giggling like silly here in the office. Arms hanging uselessly, legs barely able to bend, suit hanging down loose in the butt, bwWAHHAAAhaaHAHAAAA!!! Stop it, you are killing me (wipes tears from eyes...) ow all my co-workers think I am weird. Cut it out. Please. :) Ok, back to the fireworks... Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 27 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 17:39:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail7.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe7.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.54]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CLdMO04219 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cox.rr.com ([66.61.39.23]) by mail7.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:39:19 -0400 Message-ID: <3B268C65.7E08DCD5@cox.rr.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:40:53 -0400 From: Larry Meyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles , Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Bike Night @ The Rock References: <3B2616D0.78FE82EF@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Number 2 - party with single women. Larry Meyer Chuck Pena wrote: > First, I want to thank everyone who came to Bike Night @ The Rock last > Saturday. We had a great time sitting up on the roof enjoying the great > weather and being able to look down on the parking lot with all the > motorcycles. It's too bad we couldn't get the racing videos up on the > roof (WSB and 250/500 GP), but they played downstairs on the big > screens. > > We had a decent size crowd, but not huge. So I'm kind of curious as to > why people weren't there. It would help me and Mark to know for > planning future Bike Nights. If it's not too much trouble, please let > us know why you didn't come to Bike Night: > > 1. Not in town that weekend (e.g., at the races, at the beach). > 2. Already busy with other social engagement(s) on Saturday night. > 3. The weather was so nice that I just kept riding and forgot all about > Bike Night. > 4. Didn't want to come into DC. > 5. Other. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 18:27:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11502.mail.yahoo.com (web11502.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.47]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5CMRnO05037 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 18:27:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010612222747.58894.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.254.76.22] by web11502.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:27:47 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:27:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: SKeener2@XXXXXX, t_gimer@XXXXXX Cc: sean.jordan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote: > > regularly explore with the best bunch of mofos > around > > (mid-atlantic, southeast, and sometimes midwest > and far > > north twisties). for anyone who is interested, > our group > > site can be found at http://www.wsdymfg.com (i > hope giving > > the url out is ok, cj...it's for a good cause (to > prove i'm > > actually human and NOT sean jordan)) > > I have problems really canyon bombing....not that I > don't like to play > somewhat. It's just that my perceived riding limits > are far higher than your > average street rider. (As would any roadracer's > be....) So I tend to be > leery about riding in groups at a faster pace in the > twisties. I don't want > a squid hitting me....nor would I like to see them > try and emulate me and > wreck. > We have real problems riding with squids too, thus the reason we started our own group (and the reason you'll probably never find me on a DCC ride). We had enough of the "public invite rides" like the ones on this list, people showing up in shorts and T-shirts or otherwise underdressed, trying to pass you on the inside of a curve, and just generally no respect for our fellow riders. We all know how we ride and don't put up with BS riding styles. Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 19:11:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp4ve.mailsrvcs.net (smtp4vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.25]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CNBUO05746 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltrgyst.tennisbooks.com (adsl-151-200-19-35.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.19.35]) by smtp4ve.mailsrvcs.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA42707823 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:11:23 GMT Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010612190810.00a8a8d0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:09:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! In-Reply-To: <20010612222747.58894.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:27 PM 6/12/01, Glenn Dysart wrote: >We have real problems riding with squids too, thus the >reason we started our own group (and the reason you'll >probably never find me on a DCC ride). We had enough >of the "public invite rides" like the ones on this >list, people showing up in shorts and T-shirts or >otherwise underdressed, ... You mean like in http://www.wsdymfg.com/images/glenn1.jpg and http://www.wsdymfg.com/images/glenn2.jpg ? 8;) -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 19:37:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5CNbgO06235 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 2.bd.f8ff18a (6932) for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:37:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:37:24 EDT Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 139 Sean is a good kid and not a bad novice racer. His dad is also a good guy and he takes after him. (His dad's bike is bigger than a car with all the storage stuff, but I'll forgive him.)Tim is a very good street rider, I think I rode with him (and his mates) a few years ago and found him the best guy to follow on roads he knew and I didn't. But I have to say that the only messages I have been reading are those in this thread, quite fun actually. Now we have AMA Pros joining the fray, what a flame fest!! Ciao, From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 20:00:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5D00FO06636 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (user-2ivek5h.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.80.177]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA25894; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:00:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B26AD65.83031BE5@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:01:41 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glenn Dysart , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! References: <20010612222747.58894.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glenn, I think most of us have problems riding with squids. WSDYMFG does not have a monopoly on aversion to squids. And quite frankly, I resent the implication that everyone on DCC or every DCC ride is a squid ride. WSDYMFGs Todd P. and Craig J. have come out on DCC rides I've led. I've not ridden with, but know and respect Zbig. One was fun and uneventful. Another was not so much fun and, unfortunately, had a couple of crashes. But shit happens on a group ride, especially when a large number of people show up. I've ridden with people I know and trust and had them crash. I've ridden with people I don't know and had them crash. Hell, I've crashed! But my experience is that I've never been on a DCC ride where someone is "underdressed" or has ridden completely stupid. Maybe in the "old days" (before I joined the list, which was only last year), but not during my short time. So while you may have -- in the past -- had problems with DCC rides (and Todd P. has told me about these), please don't make statements that could be interpreted to be blanket statements about ALL DCC rides, especially those that are more recent. At least I know I do my best to make sure that people are properly dressed, know the "ride rules", don't ride stupidly or dangerously, and ride within their limits when I offer to lead a DCC group ride. And like the WSDYMGs, when I'm going to go out for some "serious fun" in the twisties, I generally just ride with people I know and trust. Chuck Glenn Dysart wrote: > > We have real problems riding with squids too, thus the > reason we started our own group (and the reason you'll > probably never find me on a DCC ride). We had enough > of the "public invite rides" like the ones on this > list, people showing up in shorts and T-shirts or > otherwise underdressed, trying to pass you on the > inside of a curve, and just generally no respect for > our fellow riders. We all know how we ride and don't > put up with BS riding styles. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 20:28:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5D0SmO07030 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-182.patriot.net [209.249.180.182]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5D0Sg427383 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:28:42 -0400 Message-ID: <3B26B259.3565D8CB@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:22:49 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The Yami & Kawi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay, got the titles to the two bikes and looked up the values in Motorcycle Consumer News Spring bike guide. The `95 Yamaha Virago 750 is listed at $3405. This one is in good shape, a few scratchs, could use fluid and filter change in my opinion after taste-testing the oil. *bleh* 7K + miles. Good tires. Took her for a test ride. Nice cruiser, got me thru the DMV twisty cones back in `97 when I allowed my M endorsement to lapse and had to take the dern test. The Kawi 600 Eliminator is listed at $3700. I've topped off the coolent ($10 a quart!!!) and oil, but have yet to test ride. Paint is rough, tail cone and front fender need help. 16K + miles. Good tires. The bikes are located in my garage and can be viewed most any evening. The above prices are suggested by MCN and negotiable. I wouldn't sell the Kawi for $3700 with bad paint - not and sleep at night. ho phone (703) 256-3115. They're shafties, Dale ! Did I mention the lo-seat hieght for the vertically challanged? Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 21:05:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h008.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.172]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5D15MO07676 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 5562 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2001 18:05:14 -0700 Received: from w156.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net (HELO laura) (216.112.246.156) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.172) with SMTP; 12 Jun 2001 18:05:14 -0700 X-Sent: 13 Jun 2001 01:05:14 GMT Message-ID: <02ae01c0f3a5$303e0c20$9cf670d8@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: , "Glenn Dysart" , "DC Cycles" References: <20010612222747.58894.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> <3B26AD65.83031BE5@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:07:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 please don't make statements that could be > interpreted to be blanket statements about ALL DCC rides, especially > those that are more recent. I absolutely agree! My slow rides, of which I had four of them, some having almost 50 people at them, did not have a single squid in the bunch. They were great rides that people enjoyed a lot. Over time, things change, and DCC rides definitely have, because I, too, have heard about past ones. Those that Chuck and I have organized have been good rides, and just because people crash, doesn't make them a squid...some people just make mistakes. Laura From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 21:12:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5D1CNO07754 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:12:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-49-3.s257.tnt5.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.49.3] helo=66.44.49.3) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #6) id 159zCl-0004LS-00 ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:12:20 -0400 Message-ID: <3B26BE6A.3EEA@starpower.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:14:18 -0400 From: Paul Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-SP32599 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: the_penas@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! References: <20010612222747.58894.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> <3B26AD65.83031BE5@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chuck Pena wrote: > > Glenn, > > I think most of us have problems riding with squids. WSDYMFG does not > have a monopoly on aversion to squids. And quite frankly, I resent the > implication that everyone on DCC or every DCC ride is a squid ride. Thanks, Chuck. You took the words right out of my mouth. I was sitting down to write a very similar piece. I take exception to the insinuation that everyone is an idiot or a squid until proven otherwise. I too usually ride with a small cadre of people, but I went on one of Laura's relaxed rides and found it very enjoyable. If anyone was squidly or under-dressed it certainly escaped my attention. Unfortunately this thread seems to a recurring theme, along with the inevitable "I told you so" post when someone does go down on a group ride. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 21:40:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe70.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5D1eAO08185 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:40:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 18:40:02 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [65.9.63.233] From: "Cliff Zigmond" To: Subject: Parking ticket Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:41:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C0F388.7D908920" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jun 2001 01:40:02.0767 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3E08DF0:01C0F3A9] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C0F388.7D908920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Got my first parking ticket today. I park over by Old Ebbitt Grill at = 15th and G St. NW. However, today I was a little late getting there, = and usually about 4-5 more bikes spill out of the designated area = between the signs. So I didn't think it would be a big deal to park = with those bikes. When I got off work, all the overflow bikes were gone = but there was a ticket on the seat. I am sure the others got tickets = too, since the infraction occurred at 2pm. Anybody else ever get a ticket there? What will happen if I don't pay the $50? I have TX plates and I haven't = even traded in my TX driver's license yet. Will they throw me in = parking fine jail when I finally go to get my registration? (I don't = exist over here yet!) Cliff '93 CB750 ------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C0F388.7D908920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Got my first parking ticket = today.  I park=20 over by Old Ebbitt Grill at 15th and G St. NW.  However, today I = was a=20 little late getting there, and usually about 4-5 more bikes spill out of = the=20 designated area between the signs.  So I didn't think it would be a = big=20 deal to park with those bikes.  When I got off work, all the = overflow bikes=20 were gone but there was a ticket on the seat.  I am = sure the=20 others got tickets too, since the infraction occurred at = 2pm.
 
Anybody else ever get a ticket = there?
 
What will happen if I don't pay the = $50?  I=20 have TX plates and I haven't even traded in my TX driver's license = yet. =20 Will they throw me in parking fine jail when I finally go to get my=20 registration?  (I don't exist over here yet!)
 
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'93 CB750
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------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C0F38B.39BC0140-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 22:22:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5D2M2O08882 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Smurfslayer (p33.a3.du.radix.net [207.192.130.33]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA28646; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:21:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave Yates" To: "'Sean Jordan'" , Subject: RE: Team Jordan Racing in the news! Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:25:08 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c0f3b0$17a8b560$2182c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Sean aka Yanker, aka Gimer and who knows who else at this point contributed: This is good. I'm the quiet one now WHOA. There's a turnabout ;-) , Steve is the flamer, and Tom is flame returner. Let's see....ok, now it's Tom's turn to be quiet, I'll flame Steve, and he can shoot back! No. PLEASE. Make it stop. Where's Jack and Squeekers? Anker, you got a l o n g way to go to measure up to squeakers ! Now, how's about a less controversial topic... countersteering anyone? Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' '97 Cobra #5148 http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 22:30:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5D2UkO09031 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Smurfslayer (p33.a3.du.radix.net [207.192.130.33]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA02903 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:30:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: Parking ticket Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:33:28 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c0f3b1$50e63900$2182c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0F38F.C9D49900" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0F38F.C9D49900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Got my first parking ticket today. I park over by Old Ebbitt Grill at 15th and G St. NW. However, today I was a little late getting there, and usually about 4-5 more bikes spill out of the designated area between the signs. So I didn't think it would be a big deal to park with those bikes. When I got off work, all the overflow bikes were gone but there was a ticket on the seat. I am sure the others got tickets too, since the infraction occurred at 2pm. Anybody else ever get a ticket there? FreakinM-^R DC. They canM-^Rt solve 75% of the homicides, but they get 90% of the parking violationsM-^E As for your dilemma. IM-^Rve *heard* that there are many out there with multiple unpaid DC parking infractions from out of state. IM-^Rve also heard that after 3 you get the boot (not sure what they do to bikes). I M-^Rve similarly heard that since the meter maids generally arenM-^Rt concerned about anything but fulfilling their quota, your tags almost never get run. It USED to be by vehicle so that if your car was ticketed several times, you could simply drive another vehicle and not worry, but that was a while ago. If youM-^Rre planning on registering in DC, youM-^Rre going to have to ante up or theyM-^Rll withhold your registration(s). Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' '97 Cobra #5148 http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0F38F.C9D49900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Got my first parking ticket today.  I park over by Old Ebbitt Grill at = 15th and G St. NW.  However, today I was a little late getting there, and = usually about 4-5 more bikes spill out of the designated area between the = signs.  So I didn't think it would be a big deal to park with those bikes.  = When I got off work, all the overflow bikes were gone but there was a ticket on = the seat.  I am sure the others got tickets too, since = the infraction occurred at 2pm.<= /p>

 <= /p>

Anybody else ever get a ticket there?

 

 

        = ;            =     Freakin’ DC.  They can’t = solve 75% of the homicides, but they get 90% of the parking = violations…

 

As= for your dilemma.  I’ve = *heard* that there are many out = there with multiple unpaid DC parking infractions from out of state.  I’ve also heard that = after 3 you get the boot (not sure what they do to bikes).  I’ve similarly heard that since the meter maids = generally aren’t concerned about anything but fulfilling their quota, your = tags almost never get run.  It USED to = be by vehicle so that if your car was ticketed several times, you could simply = drive another vehicle and not worry, but that was a while ago. If you’re = planning on registering in DC, you’re going to have to ante up or = they’ll withhold your registration(s).   

 

 <= /p>

 

 

 

Dave Yates

'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus = Maximus'

'97 Cobra #5148

http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ =

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------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0F38F.C9D49900-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 22:50:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe48.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.216]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5D2o2O09336 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:49:54 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [65.9.63.233] From: "Cliff Zigmond" To: References: <000801c0f3b1$50e63900$2182c0cf@nih.gov> Subject: Re: Parking ticket Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:51:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C0F392.40340660" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jun 2001 02:49:54.0956 (UTC) FILETIME=[869DD4C0:01C0F3B3] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C0F392.40340660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll be registering in VA. I paid the great state of Texas registration = fees all the way up to January, and I'll be damned if I am going to get = screwed by 2 states at once. I plan on sticking to my TX = plates/license/guns as long as they'll let me. Cliff *snip!* >>If you're planning on registering in DC, you're going to have to ante = up or they'll withhold your registration(s). =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C0F392.40340660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'll be=20 registering in VA.  I paid the great state of Texas registration = fees all=20 the way up to January, and I'll be damned if I am going to get screwed = by 2=20 states at once.  I plan on sticking to my TX plates/license/guns as = long as=20 they'll let me.
 
Cliff
 
*snip!*
>>If=20 you’re planning on registering in DC, you’re going to have = to ante up or they’ll=20 withhold your registration(s).   <= ![if !supportEmptyParas]>

 

<= /BODY> ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C0F392.40340660-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 23:03:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5D33pO09518 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Smurfslayer (p33.a3.du.radix.net [207.192.130.33]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA17837; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:03:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave Yates" To: "'Cliff Zigmond'" , Subject: RE: Parking ticket Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:07:00 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c0f3b5$ef1a9220$2182c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0F394.6808F220" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0F394.6808F220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'll be registering in VA. I paid the great state of Texas registration fees all the way up to January, and I'll be damned if I am going to get screwed by 2 states at once. I plan on sticking to my TX plates/license/guns as long as they'll let me. I donM-^Rt know how fancy DC is now about collecting. People used to scoff at dc parking tickets with impunity. Like I said. IM-^Rve heard itM-^Rs possible to not pay M-^E I guess it depends on how much in town driving you plan on doingM-^E Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' '97 Cobra #5148 http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0F394.6808F220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

I'll be registering in VA.  I paid the = great state of Texas registration fees all the way up to January, and I'll be = damned if I am going to get screwed by 2 states at once.  I plan on = sticking to my TX plates/license/guns as long as they'll let = me.

 

 

        = ;            =     I don’t know how fancy DC is now about collecting.  People used to scoff at dc parking tickets with impunity.  Like I = said.  I’ve heard it’s = possible to not pay …  I guess it depends on how much = in town driving you plan on doing…

 

 

 

 

Dave Yates

'90 ZX11 = 'Acceleratus Maximus'

'97 Cobra = #5148

http://www.rad= ix.net/~sdave/

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------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0F394.6808F220-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 23:15:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11501.mail.yahoo.com (web11501.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.46]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5D3FFO09764 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010613031513.13887.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.254.76.22] by web11501.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:15:13 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:15:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: Larry Larson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010612190810.00a8a8d0@mail.9netave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well Larry since you bring up that picture, it was in front of the person's house we were working on the bike... since it was in bad running order. As anyone who's been on this this list long enough (not you of course) who's ridin with me, I don't go on group rides like that... Glenn --- Larry Larson wrote: > At 06:27 PM 6/12/01, Glenn Dysart wrote: > > >We have real problems riding with squids too, thus > the > >reason we started our own group (and the reason > you'll > >probably never find me on a DCC ride). We had > enough > >of the "public invite rides" like the ones on this > >list, people showing up in shorts and T-shirts or > >otherwise underdressed, ... > > > You mean like in > http://www.wsdymfg.com/images/glenn1.jpg > and http://www.wsdymfg.com/images/glenn2.jpg ? 8;) > > -- Larry > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 23:19:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10506.mail.yahoo.com (web10506.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.156]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5D3JHO09775 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010613031914.42291.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.147.78.216] by web10506.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:19:14 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:19:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Suzookus Maximus Subject: re: I'm hooked!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>I'm rather sunburned to a crisp but I just finished up my first ever >>Cycle Sport Track Day. I spectated the event last September and promised >>myself to attend this time around. Ahh man! I knew I should have called in sick that day! :) Anyone going to be at any of the July NESBA track days @ VIR? -jeff ===== ->bike: '00 GSX-R750 ->email: suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX ->web: http://profiles.yahoo.com/suzookusmaximus __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 23:20:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11505.mail.yahoo.com (web11505.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5D3KbO09855 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010613032035.31034.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.254.76.22] by web11505.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:20:35 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:20:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: the_penas@XXXXXX, DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <3B26AD65.83031BE5@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I guess you right Chuck that not all DCC rides have crashes, seems the ones you have taken people on have been pretty successful but for a while there it was at least one crash per ride if not more. In other words, the odds are not good for the age of the list per rides. Its the typical attitude of "I'm not a slow rider so I must get in the fast group" mentality I have a problem with. Again, not that everyone on the list has it, but over the years I've been on this this I've seen happen more times then I have fingers or toes to count. Glenn --- Chuck Pena wrote: > Glenn, > > I think most of us have problems riding with squids. > WSDYMFG does not > have a monopoly on aversion to squids. And quite > frankly, I resent the > implication that everyone on DCC or every DCC ride > is a squid ride. > WSDYMFGs Todd P. and Craig J. have come out on DCC > rides I've led. I've > not ridden with, but know and respect Zbig. One was > fun and > uneventful. Another was not so much fun and, > unfortunately, had a > couple of crashes. But shit happens on a group > ride, especially when a > large number of people show up. I've ridden with > people I know and > trust and had them crash. I've ridden with people I > don't know and had > them crash. Hell, I've crashed! But my experience > is that I've never > been on a DCC ride where someone is "underdressed" > or has ridden > completely stupid. Maybe in the "old days" (before > I joined the list, > which was only last year), but not during my short > time. So while you > may have -- in the past -- had problems with DCC > rides (and Todd P. has > told me about these), please don't make statements > that could be > interpreted to be blanket statements about ALL DCC > rides, especially > those that are more recent. At least I know I do my > best to make sure > that people are properly dressed, know the "ride > rules", don't ride > stupidly or dangerously, and ride within their > limits when I offer to > lead a DCC group ride. And like the WSDYMGs, when > I'm going to go out > for some "serious fun" in the twisties, I generally > just ride with > people I know and trust. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 23:24:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11502.mail.yahoo.com (web11502.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.47]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5D3O2O09882 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010613032355.1072.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.254.76.22] by web11502.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:23:55 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:23:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: Parking ticket To: Dave Yates , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000801c0f3b1$50e63900$2182c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii So hopefully you know the deal the "deal" with DC tickets, right? Meaning, never pay them! After you get the third get new license plates and you'll never be on their "hot list" for boots. So how do they boot a motorcycle anyway, do they just tow it? Glenn --- Dave Yates wrote: > Got my first parking ticket today. I park over by > Old Ebbitt Grill at > 15th and G St. NW. However, today I was a little > late getting there, > and usually about 4-5 more bikes spill out of the > designated area > between the signs. So I didn't think it would be a > big deal to park > with those bikes. When I got off work, all the > overflow bikes were gone > but there was a ticket on the seat. I am sure the > others got tickets > too, since the infraction occurred at 2pm. > > Anybody else ever get a ticket there? > > > FreakinM-^R DC. They canM-^Rt > solve 75% of the > homicides, but they get 90% of the parking > violationsM-^E > > As for your dilemma. IM-^Rve *heard* that there are > many out there with > multiple unpaid DC parking infractions from out of > state. IM-^Rve also > heard that after 3 you get the boot (not sure what > they do to bikes). I > M-^Rve similarly heard that since the meter maids > generally arenM-^Rt > concerned about anything but fulfilling their quota, > your tags almost > never get run. It USED to be by vehicle so that if > your car was > ticketed several times, you could simply drive > another vehicle and not > worry, but that was a while ago. If youM-^Rre planning > on registering in > DC, youM-^Rre going to have to ante up or theyM-^Rll > withhold your > registration(s). > > > > > > Dave Yates > '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' > '97 Cobra #5148 > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 23:28:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp5ve.mailsrvcs.net (smtp5vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.26]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5D3SgO09990 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:28:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltrgyst.tennisbooks.com (adsl-151-200-19-35.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.19.35]) by smtp5ve.mailsrvcs.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA16504412; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 03:28:32 GMT Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010612232058.00a8cb40@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:26:21 -0400 To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! In-Reply-To: <20010613031513.13887.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010612190810.00a8a8d0@mail.9netave.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed S'ok by me, Glenn -- note the smiley in my post. It looked like an older picture on an older naked bike than the other pix. Truth told, when it's oppressively hot, I ride my little 2+ mile commute from Old Town Alexandria to Crystal City in work clothes, pull-on boots, helmet, and gloves only. -- Larry At 11:15 PM 6/12/01, you wrote: >Well Larry since you bring up that picture, it was in >front of the person's house we were working on the >bike... since it was in bad running order. As anyone >who's been on this this list long enough (not you of >course) who's ridin with me, I don't go on group rides >like that... > >Glenn > > >--- Larry Larson wrote: > > At 06:27 PM 6/12/01, Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > >We have real problems riding with squids too, thus > > the > > >reason we started our own group (and the reason > > you'll > > >probably never find me on a DCC ride). We had > > enough > > >of the "public invite rides" like the ones on this > > >list, people showing up in shorts and T-shirts or > > >otherwise underdressed, ... > > > > > > You mean like in > > http://www.wsdymfg.com/images/glenn1.jpg > > and http://www.wsdymfg.com/images/glenn2.jpg ? 8;) > > > > -- Larry > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 >a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 23:39:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11508.mail.yahoo.com (web11508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5D3dQO10189 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:39:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010613033924.19761.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.254.76.22] by web11508.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:39:24 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:39:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: Laura Granato , the_penas@XXXXXX, DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <02ae01c0f3a5$303e0c20$9cf670d8@dccracing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Laura, I have no problem with people making mistakes, hell people do that every day. Its the ones that can't accept the fact they are new to the sport or who have never ridden in a fast pace on the street and insist on having to ride with a fast group (when the ride splits into several groups) and then they get in over there head that I have a problem with. If I remember correctly most of your rides were intended as "easy going" so no problems should have been encountered as you didn't have a fast group. Maybe things have changed, when was the last time DCC even did a ride though? Maybe I'm just spoiled because I ride with a group of people who I am similar with, don't mind doing 500 or 600 miles days, are more into exploration then sitting around at a race track all day (not that sitting around at a race track is a bad thing, its just not the way I want to spend my weekends) and don't have to worry any of them doing crazy stunts when I'm trying to have a good time... I guess what I'm trying to say is that anytime you invite the public (or people you've never ridden with) you never know what your getting yourself into. Sure you could have a great time with people you've never met and have a great ride, but in my experience those rides don't always lead to fun, they have led to get offs more times then not. I'll spend my time meeting new riders at the bike nights where there is no pressure. I didn't make the one last weekend but I did make the Carpool one and plan to make others. Glenn --- Laura Granato wrote: > please don't make statements that could be > > interpreted to be blanket statements about ALL DCC > rides, especially > > those that are more recent. > > I absolutely agree! My slow rides, of which I had > four of them, some having > almost 50 people at them, did not have a single > squid in the bunch. They > were great rides that people enjoyed a lot. Over > time, things change, and > DCC rides definitely have, because I, too, have > heard about past ones. > Those that Chuck and I have organized have been good > rides, and just because > people crash, doesn't make them a squid...some > people just make mistakes. > > Laura > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 12 23:51:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11508.mail.yahoo.com (web11508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5D3pfO10427 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010613035140.20956.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.254.76.22] by web11508.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:51:40 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:51:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: Larry Larson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010612232058.00a8cb40@mail.9netave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sure, I understand. I made my mistakes in the dirt when I was about 14. Burned my leg pretty good on the exhaust of an 1974 XL250 as I didn't want to let the bike fall in the mud since it belonged to a friend of mine! When I first started street riding I only had some hightop shoes, jeans and a leather jacket. At 18 it was tough to afford full gear on that part time salary. Now that I have good gear, I feel naked even riding riding up to the gas station less then 1/2 mile away! To be honest with you, the pic you saw was at Todd's house not too long ago when we were trying to fix the carbs on the ex-Horkster KZ400 which my girlfriend now owns as it was her first bike. I might add it runs like a top now and might be up for sale if friends keep backing out. I do see your point though that riding two miles in town at a leisurely pace its hard to put all that gear on. I guess for me I wouldn't bother braking out the bike for only two miles as that would be a tease for me. Glenn --- Larry Larson wrote: > S'ok by me, Glenn -- note the smiley in my post. It > looked like an older picture on an older naked bike > than the other pix. > > Truth told, when it's oppressively hot, I ride my > little 2+ mile commute from Old Town Alexandria > to Crystal City in work clothes, pull-on boots, > helmet, and gloves only. > > -- Larry > > At 11:15 PM 6/12/01, you wrote: > >Well Larry since you bring up that picture, it was > in > >front of the person's house we were working on the > >bike... since it was in bad running order. As > anyone > >who's been on this this list long enough (not you > of > >course) who's ridin with me, I don't go on group > rides > >like that... > > > >Glenn > > > > > >--- Larry Larson wrote: > > > At 06:27 PM 6/12/01, Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > > > >We have real problems riding with squids too, > thus > > > the > > > >reason we started our own group (and the reason > > > you'll > > > >probably never find me on a DCC ride). We had > > > enough > > > >of the "public invite rides" like the ones on > this > > > >list, people showing up in shorts and T-shirts > or > > > >otherwise underdressed, ... > > > > > > > > > You mean like in > > > http://www.wsdymfg.com/images/glenn1.jpg > > > and http://www.wsdymfg.com/images/glenn2.jpg ? > 8;) > > > > > > -- Larry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - > only $35 > >a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 07:31:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5DBVkO18383 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 07:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Smurfslayer (p64.a4.du.radix.net [207.192.130.192]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA09067; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 07:31:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave Yates" To: "'Glenn Dysart'" , Subject: RE: Parking ticket Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 07:34:47 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01c0f3fc$e4afab80$2182c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20010613032355.1072.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal So hopefully you know the deal the "deal" with DC tickets, right? Nope. I've only *heard* it was that way. Meaning, never pay them! After you get the third get new license plates and you'll never be on their "hot list" for boots. So how do they boot a motorcycle anyway, do they just tow it? GFQ. Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' '97 Cobra #5148 http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 07:52:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f173.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.173]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5DBqUO18708 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 07:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 04:40:30 -0700 Received: from 199.196.144.17 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:40:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [199.196.144.17] From: "michael brocchi" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Parking ticket Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 07:40:29 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jun 2001 11:40:30.0195 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5E5CC30:01C0F3FD] *snip >Got my first parking ticket today. I park over by Old Ebbitt Grill Cliff, I also park there at 15th and G st, and I also did get a ticket yesterday. I am not sure what is going on, but what I do know is that I plan on getting here earlier to make sure that I get a spot, and if not I am going to try and park over at McPherson park (15th and I st NW) there is similar parking over there. If that is also filled I'm heading to a garage, it's simply not worth the $50 risk. FYI: I also saw that on the news this morning that DC is now allowing people to pay back tickets with no penalties up through some time in October, if I remember correctly (not that people seem to want to pay their parking tickets anyway). But the catch is that the ticket has to be prior to some time around 1997. Mike 2000 Bandit 600 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 08:02:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f5.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5DC2HO18832 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 04:50:34 -0700 Received: from 151.200.109.94 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:50:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.200.109.94] From: "Todd Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The Sean J. and Tommy G. show Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 07:50:34 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jun 2001 11:50:34.0964 (UTC) FILETIME=[0E5E3940:01C0F3FF] I love it! You two guys going at each other has been highly entertaining (at least for me), and I thank you both. IMO this list needs a good shit-stir every now and then. It has been fascinating to see all the woodwork shake loose in the past few days as well. Someone was complaining that they are on digest and had to sift through all the flames or just toss it. I find I'm tossing the digest more often for the opposite reason. Aack, ptooey on any more stinking tire/oil/best this or that thread. Here's an excellent website that was posted to this list originally by Hugh Caldwell. It is quite appropriate now don't you think? http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html Todd (Springfield, VA) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 08:04:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5DC4VO18844 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:04:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-28.patriot.net [209.249.180.28]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5DC4I403283 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:04:19 -0400 Message-ID: <3B275561.6215A1F@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 07:58:25 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: VA DMV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am amazed. My visit to the DMV at Shirlington was totally painless and rather swift. I had to obtain 6, yes SIX duplicate titles for a variety of vehicles owned by my late friend. I was expecting a major PITA. But I filled out the short forms and showed the lady my papers from the County Probate court and minutes later she hands me all six titles. $5 apiece, total $30, probably less than 30 minutes including form filling out. VA DMV - five star rating Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 08:11:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hermal004i0.teligent.net ([64.64.159.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5DCBmO18948 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hermal004i0.teligent.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:11:41 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Wimer, Peter" To: DC Cycles Subject: Squids? Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:11:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Forgive me if this question is out of line, but I am brand new to the DCC List (Been lurking for a couple days) and new to Motorcycling in general. I have owned my first bike for exactly 1 week today so please bare with me. What is a Squid? Pete Wimer '01 Suzuki Savage peter.wimer@XXXXXX -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 8:02 PM To: Glenn Dysart; DC Cycles Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! Glenn, I think most of us have problems riding with squids. WSDYMFG does not have a monopoly on aversion to squids. And quite frankly, I resent the implication that everyone on DCC or every DCC ride is a squid ride. WSDYMFGs Todd P. and Craig J. have come out on DCC rides I've led. I've not ridden with, but know and respect Zbig. One was fun and uneventful. Another was not so much fun and, unfortunately, had a couple of crashes. But shit happens on a group ride, especially when a large number of people show up. I've ridden with people I know and trust and had them crash. I've ridden with people I don't know and had them crash. Hell, I've crashed! But my experience is that I've never been on a DCC ride where someone is "underdressed" or has ridden completely stupid. Maybe in the "old days" (before I joined the list, which was only last year), but not during my short time. So while you may have -- in the past -- had problems with DCC rides (and Todd P. has told me about these), please don't make statements that could be interpreted to be blanket statements about ALL DCC rides, especially those that are more recent. At least I know I do my best to make sure that people are properly dressed, know the "ride rules", don't ride stupidly or dangerously, and ride within their limits when I offer to lead a DCC group ride. And like the WSDYMGs, when I'm going to go out for some "serious fun" in the twisties, I generally just ride with people I know and trust. Chuck Glenn Dysart wrote: > > We have real problems riding with squids too, thus the > reason we started our own group (and the reason you'll > probably never find me on a DCC ride). We had enough > of the "public invite rides" like the ones on this > list, people showing up in shorts and T-shirts or > otherwise underdressed, trying to pass you on the > inside of a curve, and just generally no respect for > our fellow riders. We all know how we ride and don't > put up with BS riding styles. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 08:12:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13002.mail.yahoo.com (web13002.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5DCCjO19022 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010613121243.72557.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.132.101] by web13002.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 05:12:43 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 05:12:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: RE: Parking ticket To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <001f01c0f3fc$e4afab80$2182c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Meaning, never pay them! After you > get the third get new license plates and you'll never > be on their "hot list" for boots. So how do they boot > a motorcycle anyway, do they just tow it? At GWU, they used something that looked like a large, bright yellow Kryptonite lock through the wheels. The bike wasn't going anywhere. Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 08:23:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5DCN7O19147 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CPISERV2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:18:42 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: nighthawk700@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Parking ticket Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:18:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This is like deja vu all over again -- didn't we discuss this a couple years ago? Anyway, the GWU MC parking lot (I used to park there, too) was policed by GW authorities, not the city. One would think that any old disk lock would be enough to disable a motorcycle, no? I guess we shouldn't give the parking police any ideas . . . Erik -----Original Message----- From: Louis F. Caplan [mailto:nighthawk700@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 8:13 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Parking ticket > Meaning, never pay them! After you > get the third get new license plates and you'll never > be on their "hot list" for boots. So how do they boot > a motorcycle anyway, do they just tow it? At GWU, they used something that looked like a large, bright yellow Kryptonite lock through the wheels. The bike wasn't going anywhere. Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 08:55:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13006.mail.yahoo.com (web13006.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5DCt7O19630 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:55:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010613125504.93343.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.132.101] by web13006.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 05:55:04 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 05:55:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: RE: Parking ticket To: eschelzig@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote: > This is like deja vu all over again -- didn't we discuss this a couple years > ago? True, but most of the threads that pop up on DC-Cycles are recycled. According to my calendar, next week someone is supposed to ask about dino vs. synthetic oil. July we start talking about side stands sinking into hot asphalt, although with the 90 degree temps, that may be moved up. > Anyway, the GWU MC parking lot (I used to park there, too) was policed by GW > authorities, not the city. One would think that any old disk lock would be > enough to disable a motorcycle, no? I guess we shouldn't give the parking > police any ideas . . . True, I was just trying to point out that it doesn't take much to boot a bike. Heck, two feet of chain and a padlock will do the trick. If the parking police are reading this though, then everything I just said was a joke, it's impossible to boot a bike. Sorry. ;-) Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 08:57:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5DCvmO19705 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 2.ff.7aff694 (3756) for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:57:39 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:57:39 EDT Subject: Re: Squids? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10512 >What is a Squid? Hi Pete, Welcome to the list and motorcycling in general. The generally accepted definition is that squid is a bastardization of "squirrelly kid"; i.e. a person who rides with little or no discipline. They also tend to ride like calamari swim - fast in straight lines, but almost no cornering capability. The mode of dress can also be an indicator - t-shirt, cutoffs, sneakers (or flip-flops) and a $500 repli-racer helmet are fairly good indicators. Generally, someone who acts irresponsibly on a motorcycle - almost always a sport bike, sometimes a standard, and almost never a cruiser. On your Savage, you're safe from the appelation, although I've seen some very nice cafe racers based on the Savage... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 09:15:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5DDFIO20051 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-49-227.s481.tnt5.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.49.227] helo=palladio) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #6) id 15AAUN-0002P4-00 ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:15:16 -0400 Message-ID: <007601c0f40b$690dbee0$bb82fea9@palladio> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "michael brocchi" , "dc-cycles list" References: Subject: Re: Parking ticket Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:16:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 That amnesty program is for minor moving violations only. The logic of that escapes me. Whatever. Bottom line is that there's $45 million in unpaid tickets outstanding and they're trying to recover part of it. Here's the deal on the tickets. If you're have a non-DC registration basically they can't touch you unless your vehicle is physically in DC. If it's in the city and they spot your vehicle, they can boot and tow. If it's in VA, MD, etc., there's nothing they can do. Different story if your vehicles are registered in DC. Eventually any transactions through DMV (license and registration renewals, parking stickers, inspections, etc.) will be blocked until you pay up. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: michael brocchi > > FYI: > I also saw that on the news this morning that DC is now allowing people to > pay back tickets with no penalties up through some time in October, if I > remember correctly (not that people seem to want to pay their parking > tickets anyway). But the catch is that the ticket has to be prior to some > time around 1997. > > Mike > 2000 Bandit 600 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 09:22:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from portal.east.saic.com (portal.east.saic.com [198.151.13.15]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5DDMoO20167 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:22:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mclmx.saic.com by portal.east.saic.com via smtpd (for dsl027-137-007.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.27.137.7]) with SMTP; 13 Jun 2001 13:22:50 UT Received: from mcl-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com by mclmx.mail.saic.com; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:22:38 -0400 Received: from mcl-its-exbh01.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.11]) by mcl-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 73) with SMTP id M2001061309174400535 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:17:44 -0400 Received: by mcl-its-exbh01.saic.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:22:45 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Pflieger, Matthew M." To: "'Todd Peer'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: The Sean J. and Tommy G. show Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:22:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This is AWESOME!! I can think of examples of every one of 'em on this list!! Thanks Todd-Ennui >From Matt-L'enfant Provacateur -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer [mailto:combat_tourer@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 7:51 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The Sean J. and Tommy G. show I love it! You two guys going at each other has been highly entertaining (at least for me), and I thank you both. IMO this list needs a good shit-stir every now and then. It has been fascinating to see all the woodwork shake loose in the past few days as well. Someone was complaining that they are on digest and had to sift through all the flames or just toss it. I find I'm tossing the digest more often for the opposite reason. Aack, ptooey on any more stinking tire/oil/best this or that thread. Here's an excellent website that was posted to this list originally by Hugh Caldwell. It is quite appropriate now don't you think? http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html Todd (Springfield, VA) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 09:31:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13806.mail.yahoo.com (web13806.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5DDVjO20342 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010613133143.14755.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.131.90.209] by web13806.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 06:31:43 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 06:31:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Parking ticket To: Paul Wilson , michael brocchi , dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <007601c0f40b$690dbee0$bb82fea9@palladio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii DC does have some recourse if you are out of town. They send these official looking collection notices. I am not sure if they really are collection notices or not, or if failure to pay goes on your credit record. I simply ignore them, as the car is long gone. Mark --- Paul Wilson wrote: > That amnesty program is for minor moving violations > only. The logic of that > escapes me. Whatever. Bottom line is that there's > $45 million in unpaid > tickets outstanding and they're trying to recover > part of it. > > Here's the deal on the tickets. If you're have a > non-DC registration > basically they can't touch you unless your vehicle > is physically in DC. If > it's in the city and they spot your vehicle, they > can boot and tow. If it's > in VA, MD, etc., there's nothing they can do. > > Different story if your vehicles are registered in > DC. Eventually any > transactions through DMV (license and registration > renewals, parking > stickers, inspections, etc.) will be blocked until > you pay up. > > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750F > http://users.erols.com/pawilson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: michael brocchi > > > > FYI: > > I also saw that on the news this morning that DC > is now allowing people to > > pay back tickets with no penalties up through some > time in October, if I > > remember correctly (not that people seem to want > to pay their parking > > tickets anyway). But the catch is that the ticket > has to be prior to some > > time around 1997. > > > > Mike > > 2000 Bandit 600 > > ===== http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 09:34:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from FW2.dt.navy.mil (FW2.dt.navy.mil [192.5.27.136]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5DDYXO20353 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:34:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by FW2.dt.navy.mil; id JAA16689; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(130.46.225.16) by FW2.dt.navy.mil via smap (V5.5) id xma016333; Wed, 13 Jun 01 09:35:59 -0400 Received: from NAVGATE.dt.navy.mil (navgate.dt.navy.mil [130.46.225.15]) by smtprelay.dt.navy.mil (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA11413 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:33:46 -0400 Received: (from silbergejw2k [130.46.162.39]) by NAVGATE.dt.navy.mil (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 63) with SMTP id M2001061309334601284 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:33:46 -0400 Message-ID: <03ad01c0f40d$f3061c30$27a22e82@silbergejw2k> Reply-To: "Eric Silberg" From: "Eric Silberg" To: "DC Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Squids? Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:37:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 > Forgive me if this question is out of line, but I am brand new to the DCC > List (Been lurking for a couple days) and new to Motorcycling in general. I > have owned my first bike for exactly 1 week today so please bare with me. Pete First things first...welcome to motorcycling and to DCC...hope you enjoy your stay. Second, EVERY QUESTION IS OUT OF LINE!!! (requisite flame, sorry) > What is a Squid? Squid: skw - id (n.) 1) Any of various marine cephalopod mollusks of the genus Loligo and related genera, having a usually elongated body, ten arms surrounding the mouth, a vestigial internal shell, and a pair of triangular or rounded fins. 2) A bipedal mammal (generally human), found on or off a motorcycle, though always in close proximity to, or talking about said motorcycle. Motorcycle is most commonly of the supersport (600 cc sportbike) class, though there has been a rash of squidious beemerfile recently [2 spotted in the last week! what's up with that?]. Motorcycle usually has scratches and damage associated with it's squid operator. Generally has little training in, or knowlege of operation of motorcycle. OTS (open throttle syndrome) is common among squids, often resulting in Wheelious Maximus or Tire Burnitis. High speeds are common in straight lines, though the ability to turn often does not develop until very late into a squids life (if at all). Squids tend to lack a gene necessary for self preservation. This makes the common squid easy to spot. Experienced squid watchers will tell you that the t-shirt and shorts, often accompanied by sneakers (though flip flops are not uncommon), is the most common covering. Oddly though, squids will spend excessive amounts of money on head coverings that emulate the rarer and much more elusive Professional Racer. This may be a camouflage technique, though it is not an effective one. WARNING: squids are dangerous creatures. Riding is unsafe, and they posses little regard for their safety or the safety of others. Many consider themselves to be invincible. Crashing of the lowside variety is a common occurrence, and they can take out other riders as well. Advise observation from a safe distance. Temporary Squidishness has also been found to be highly contagious, especially among young male riders. Life expectancy of the common squid is quite short. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 09:40:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from portal.east.saic.com (portal.east.saic.com [198.151.13.15]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5DDeGO20438 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mclmx.saic.com by portal.east.saic.com via smtpd (for dsl027-137-007.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.27.137.7]) with SMTP; 13 Jun 2001 13:40:15 UT Received: from mcl-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com by mclmx.mail.saic.com; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:38:55 -0400 Received: from MCL-ITS-EXIG01.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.12]) by mcl-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 73) with SMTP id M2001061309260809051 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:26:08 -0400 Received: by mcl-its-exig01.saic.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:31:03 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Pflieger, Matthew M." To: "'MJordan666@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Squids? Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:30:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Never a cruiser? So what word is used for the types that 1. Begin midlife crisis 2. Buy coolest-looking cruiser they can afford, esp. hardley 3. Grow facial hair to extent permitted by employer (including women) 4. Purchase as much leather as possible without succumbing to actual protection, i.e. chaps, vest, tassels 5. Purchase beanie helmet in states w/ helmet laws; scoff at helmets altogether in non-law states 6. Park bike at local hangout, stand next to it in order to be seen lots 7. Get drunk 8. Crash trying to get home Matt L'enfant Provocateur -----Original Message----- From: MJordan666@XXXXXX [mailto:MJordan666@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 8:58 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Squids? >What is a Squid? Hi Pete, Welcome to the list and motorcycling in general. The generally accepted definition is that squid is a bastardization of "squirrelly kid"; i.e. a person who rides with little or no discipline. They also tend to ride like calamari swim - fast in straight lines, but almost no cornering capability. The mode of dress can also be an indicator - t-shirt, cutoffs, sneakers (or flip-flops) and a $500 repli-racer helmet are fairly good indicators. Generally, someone who acts irresponsibly on a motorcycle - almost always a sport bike, sometimes a standard, and almost never a cruiser. On your Savage, you're safe from the appelation, although I've seen some very nice cafe racers based on the Savage... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 09:49:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5DDndO20618 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kawgirl (kawgirl.kivex.com [208.213.150.18]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id JAA18494; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:49:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:49:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "lisa@XXXXXX" X-Sender: lgoddard@kawgirl Reply-To: "lisa@XXXXXX" To: dccycles cc: efisk@XXXXXX Subject: bike vs. pedestrian Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Fisk, Euan" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Bike vs. Pedestrian accidents? Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:25:43 -0400 Started thinking about what would happen in a Started thinking about what would happen in a motorcycle vs. pedestrian accident after I went around Washington Cir. near GW hospital this morning. Pedestrian ran out from between two parked cars almost into my front wheel. Heavy swerve to avoid Co-workers sister was hit by a motorcycle. I don't know the full details except that her leg was torn up and broken. I do know that she is both deaf and mute. Might not have heard the bike coming? I know she spent at least a few days in the hospital. I deal with pedestians crossing against the light every single morning on my way to work. It's bad enough that the intersection I have the most problems with is very close to the Bethesda Metro. Lots of cars making the oncoming left seem to forget that I have the right-of-way to go straight through the intersection. Lots of mini-van dropping the husband off at the metro and mom is still half asleep. The pedestrians like to wait on the corner deciding if they should go or not. They usually wait until I have the green light and they have the don't walk sign to start crossing. One morning I saw a woman who grew up across the street from my husband. She was debating weather or not to cross on the don't walk. She finally decided to go right as I got the green light. The hesitation combined with the fact that she was having great difficulty walking in tall platform shoes. Right as she teetered and tottered in front of my bike as I am missing the green light I opened my visor part way and yelled "HEY BECKY, GET YOUR FAT ASS OUT OF THE ROAD" She just about jumped out of her skin. I closed my visor and rode last two blocks to work. Laughed the whole day on that one. Lisa '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 10:00:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13803.mail.yahoo.com (web13803.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5DE0SO20867 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010613140024.29839.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.5.27.135] by web13803.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 07:00:24 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 07:00:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "E. Rittershausen" Subject: RE: Squids? To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 1) Poseur 2) Dumbass 3) Darwin-in-action 4) All of the above t0dd --- "Pflieger, Matthew M." wrote: > Never a cruiser? So what word is used for the types that > > 1. Begin midlife crisis > 2. Buy coolest-looking cruiser they can afford, esp. hardley > 3. Grow facial hair to extent permitted by employer (including > women) > 4. Purchase as much leather as possible without succumbing to actual > protection, i.e. chaps, vest, tassels > 5. Purchase beanie helmet in states w/ helmet laws; scoff at helmets > altogether in non-law states > 6. Park bike at local hangout, stand next to it in order to be seen > lots > 7. Get drunk > 8. Crash trying to get home > > Matt L'enfant Provocateur > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MJordan666@XXXXXX [mailto:MJordan666@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 8:58 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Squids? > > > >What is a Squid? > > Hi Pete, > > Welcome to the list and motorcycling in general. > > The generally accepted definition is that squid is a bastardization > of > "squirrelly kid"; i.e. a person who rides with little or no > discipline. > > They also tend to ride like calamari swim - fast in straight lines, > but > almost no cornering capability. > > The mode of dress can also be an indicator - t-shirt, cutoffs, > sneakers (or > flip-flops) and a $500 repli-racer helmet are fairly good indicators. > > Generally, someone who acts irresponsibly on a motorcycle - almost > always a > sport bike, sometimes a standard, and almost never a cruiser. > > On your Savage, you're safe from the appelation, although I've seen > some > very > nice cafe racers based on the Savage... > > Michael J. ===== Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy `83 V65 Magna - Falcon `80 CX-500C __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 10:05:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from FW2.dt.navy.mil (FW2.dt.navy.mil [192.5.27.136]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5DE5sO20960 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by FW2.dt.navy.mil; id KAA08405; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(130.46.225.16) by FW2.dt.navy.mil via smap (V5.5) id xma008104; Wed, 13 Jun 01 10:07:27 -0400 Received: from NAVGATE.dt.navy.mil (navgate.dt.navy.mil [130.46.225.15]) by smtprelay.dt.navy.mil (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA13129 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:05:14 -0400 Received: (from silbergejw2k [130.46.162.39]) by NAVGATE.dt.navy.mil (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 63) with SMTP id M2001061310051414569 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:05:14 -0400 Message-ID: <03cd01c0f412$586a8b20$27a22e82@silbergejw2k> Reply-To: "Eric Silberg" From: "Eric Silberg" To: References: Subject: Re: Squids? Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:08:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 > Never a cruiser? So what word is used for the types that > > 1. Begin midlife crisis > 2. Buy coolest-looking cruiser they can afford, esp. hardley > 3. Grow facial hair to extent permitted by employer (including women) > 4. Purchase as much leather as possible without succumbing to actual > protection, i.e. chaps, vest, tassels > 5. Purchase beanie helmet in states w/ helmet laws; scoff at helmets > altogether in non-law states > 6. Park bike at local hangout, stand next to it in order to be seen lots > 7. Get drunk > 8. Crash trying to get home These guys are called RUBS (Rich Urban Bikers...some people add "scum" on the end). Though I generally call them dumbasses. They can be even more dangerous than squids because squids normally have a desire to learn bike handling, these people do not. Also, squids rarely drink and ride. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 10:06:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.106]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5DE6rO20970 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 2.9e.15cd05bc (3702) for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:06:47 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <9e.15cd05bc.2858cd76@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:06:46 EDT Subject: Re: Squids? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9e.15cd05bc.2858cd76_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10512 --part1_9e.15cd05bc.2858cd76_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Never a cruiser? So what word is used for the types that This here's a FAMILY list, Matthew. Ladies present, fer god's sake! Cain't be using them words here... Michael J. --part1_9e.15cd05bc.2858cd76_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Never a cruiser?  So what word is used for the types that

This here's a FAMILY list, Matthew.

Ladies present, fer god's sake!

Cain't be using them words here...

Michael J.
--part1_9e.15cd05bc.2858cd76_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 10:07:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from athena.nswc.navy.mil (athena.nswc.navy.mil [198.91.70.29]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5DE7wO20980 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.nswc.navy.mil (relay.nswc.navy.mil [128.38.1.41]) by athena.nswc.navy.mil (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5DE7uW23530 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.nswc.navy.mil (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.nswc.navy.mil (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA28524 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlvais01.nswc.navy.mil (dlvais01.nswc.navy.mil [128.38.1.20]) by relay.nswc.navy.mil (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA28499 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlvais01.nswc.navy.mil (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dlvais01.nswc.navy.mil with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id MTC2L5GF; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:07:53 -0400 Received: from 128.38.204.28 by dlvais01.nswc.navy.mil (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:07:53 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Received: by nswcdlvaex01.nswc.navy.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:07:52 -0400 Message-ID: <7B4C28C84831D211BFA200805F9F345603B3CA85@nswcdlvaex04.nswc.navy.mil> From: Gaske David G DLVA To: "Dc-Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Squids? Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:07:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This reminds me of a time I was out at Cycle Sucks in Herndon. A guy was in there with his wife and her friend. I over heard her telling him how cool he'd be with a cruiser (think a Royal Star). After a few minutes she had talked him into getting it. Pass an hour or so (waiting for some service I was having done, which by the way I had to redo myself). Couple is now outside, dealer is explaing controls to him (this is the clutch, this is the brake....) Wife is sitting in expedition talking on cell phone. Husband, who has just bought a BRAND NEW bike has the expression of fear on his face. No smile, no twinkle in his eye, just fear. Not a true squid, as the wife was the squid (or maybe she wanted to cash in on the life insurance). I left before he made it out of the parking lot (if he did). David G. '00 Sprint RS (yellow) Fredericksburg, Va. USA -----Original Message----- From: Pflieger, Matthew M. [mailto:MATTHEW.M.PFLIEGER@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 9:31 AM To: 'MJordan666@XXXXXX'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Squids? Never a cruiser? So what word is used for the types that 1. Begin midlife crisis 2. Buy coolest-looking cruiser they can afford, esp. hardley 3. Grow facial hair to extent permitted by employer (including women) 4. Purchase as much leather as possible without succumbing to actual protection, i.e. chaps, vest, tassels 5. Purchase beanie helmet in states w/ helmet laws; scoff at helmets altogether in non-law states 6. Park bike at local hangout, stand next to it in order to be seen lots 7. Get drunk 8. Crash trying to get home Matt L'enfant Provocateur -----Original Message----- From: MJordan666@XXXXXX [mailto:MJordan666@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 8:58 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Squids? >What is a Squid? Hi Pete, Welcome to the list and motorcycling in general. The generally accepted definition is that squid is a bastardization of "squirrelly kid"; i.e. a person who rides with little or no discipline. They also tend to ride like calamari swim - fast in straight lines, but almost no cornering capability. The mode of dress can also be an indicator - t-shirt, cutoffs, sneakers (or flip-flops) and a $500 repli-racer helmet are fairly good indicators. Generally, someone who acts irresponsibly on a motorcycle - almost always a sport bike, sometimes a standard, and almost never a cruiser. On your Savage, you're safe from the appelation, although I've seen some very nice cafe racers based on the Savage... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 10:16:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from typhoon.pop3now.com ([209.208.170.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5DEGYO21158 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:15:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200106131415.KAA27812@typhoon.pop3now.com> From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: Parking ticket ...most of the threads that pop up on DC-Cycles are recycled. According > to my calendar, next week someone is supposed to ask about dino vs. synthetic > oil. July we start talking about side stands sinking into hot asphalt, > although with the 90 degree temps, that may be moved up. I show last week of July, we're supposed to discuss rear brakes again. This quarter's discussion promises to be even more riveting than the last with the addition of power ABS to the new Beemers... Also, mid July, someone is scheduled to bring up the 'which tires should I get?' thread. > True, I was just trying to point out that it doesn't take much to boot a bike. Doesn't take much to pick up that booted bike either, so that you can remove that boot (I've *heard* a good cutting torch works) in the comfort of your garage... > Heck, two feet of chain and a padlock will do the trick. Heck, 2 DCC LM's & a pickup solves that problem ;-) Dave Yates -- Pop3Now Personal, Manage 5 Email Accounts From 1 Secure Window Sign Up Today! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 10:26:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5DEPwO21280 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (ip199.herndon20.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.38.89.199]) by barry.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06048; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:25:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B2777EE.75335136@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:25:50 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles CC: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! References: <20010613032035.31034.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glenn, I think we're basically all agreeing but coming at it from different perspectives. For sure, large group rides with folks who have never ridden together before can be a potential problem. Laura has been pretty successful with her "relaxed ride" recipe. Seems like the people who come out and do those rides want to cruise rather than hoon. I think most of the real problems result when you have a large gathering of sportbikers. Peoples' egos get in the way and more people seem to have the need to "prove something" by trying to ride fast. That's when folks tend to ride over their heads, outside of their comfort level/ability limits, and faster than they're really capable of riding. I know that's happened on rides I've led/been on. And I'm not quite sure what you can do to 100% prevent that from happening. Sure, you tell everyone to ride smart and safe. And as the ride leader, you try to set the right example. But it's hard to police self-restraint and good judgement! As I said before, I tend to reserve my "fast" sportbiking for riding with friends I know and trust (just as you and the WSDYMFGs do). Doesn't necessarily mean we're all the same in terms of riding ability, but that we all know that no one is going to stupid and/or unsafe. Yet, I wouldn't have met a lot of these folks without having first ridden with them on a so-called "public" ride. So there is a certain "chicken and egg" dilemma/problem for those riders who don't know anyone else to ride with ... How do you meet people and learn which ones are the ones you can trust/feel safe riding with unless you "take a chance" and go out on a group ride??? Cheers, Chuck Glenn Dysart wrote: > > I guess you right Chuck that not all DCC rides have > crashes, seems the ones you have taken people on have > been pretty successful but for a while there it was at > least one crash per ride if not more. In other words, > the odds are not good for the age of the list per > rides. Its the typical attitude of "I'm not a slow > rider so I must get in the fast group" mentality I > have a problem with. Again, not that everyone on the > list has it, but over the years I've been on this this > I've seen happen more times then I have fingers or > toes to count. Glenn also wrote : > Laura, I have no problem with people making mistakes, > hell people do that every day. Its the ones that > can't accept the fact they are new to the sport or who > have never ridden in a fast pace on the street and > insist on having to ride with a fast group (when the > ride splits into several groups) and then they get in > over there head that I have a problem with. > > I guess what I'm trying to say is that anytime you > invite the public (or people you've never ridden with) > you never know what your getting yourself into. Sure > you could have a great time with people you've never > met and have a great ride, but in my experience those > rides don't always lead to fun, they have led to get > offs more times then not. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 10:30:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5DEUvO21445 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GEV00KPVHL482@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:29:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GEV00801HKZDW@XXXXXX>; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:29:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GEV006JRHKS16@XXXXXX>; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:29:16 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:29:14 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: Larry Larson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3B2778BA.8AF9D66C@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010612190810.00a8a8d0@XXXXXX> Larry Larson wrote: > You mean like in http://www.wsdymfg.com/images/glenn1.jpg > and http://www.wsdymfg.com/images/glenn2.jpg ? 8;) Hey! I recognize that bike! :) That was my starter bike. And my wife's. And my brother's... Glad it's still out there putting along... Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 27 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress '76 Kawasaki KZ400 - sold, but not forgotten From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 10:31:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9604.mail.yahoo.com (web9604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5DEVgO21455 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010613143136.15189.qmail@web9604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.11.149.33] by web9604.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 07:31:36 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 07:31:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannette Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: the_penas@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Cc: Glenn Dysart In-Reply-To: <3B2777EE.75335136@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I call it "dick measuring syndrome." Opposite correlations apply here. Like to get in over your head? Feel the need to prove something? Small dick. :-) heh - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 --- Chuck Pena wrote: > Glenn, > > Peoples' egos get in the way and > more people seem to > have the need to "prove something" by trying to ride > fast. That's when > folks tend to ride over their heads, outside of > their comfort > level/ability limits, and faster than they're really > capable of riding. > > Cheers, > Chuck > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 10:33:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9608.mail.yahoo.com (web9608.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.187]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5DEXIO21466 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010613143310.78996.qmail@web9608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.11.149.33] by web9608.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 07:33:10 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 07:33:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannette Subject: Re: bike vs. pedestrian To: "lisa@XXXXXX" , dccycles Cc: efisk@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That's got to be one of the funniest things I've ever heard. LMAO Think she figured out who yelled at her? ;-) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 --- "lisa@XXXXXX" wrote: > > BECKY, GET YOUR FAT ASS OUT OF THE ROAD" She just > about jumped out of her > skin. I closed my visor and rode last two blocks to > work. Laughed the > whole day on that one. > > Lisa > '95 VFR > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 10:36:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp4ve.mailsrvcs.net (smtp4vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.25]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5DEaVO21556 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltrgyst.tennisbooks.com (adsl-151-200-19-35.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.19.35]) by smtp4ve.mailsrvcs.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA43084362 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:36:22 GMT Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010613102707.00ab1ea0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:33:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! In-Reply-To: <20010613035140.20956.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010612232058.00a8cb40@mail.9netave.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:51 PM 6/12/01, Glenn Dysart wrote: >I do see your point though that riding two miles in >town at a leisurely pace its hard to put all that gear >on. I guess for me I wouldn't bother braking out the >bike for only two miles as that would be a tease for >me. I used to think that way too. I live 100 yards from Braddock Street metro, and work a few hundred yards from Crystal City metro, so it's hardly worth breaking out the bike, right? But just riding those 2+ miles gets me to work in an entirely different frame of mind as opposed to riding metro (and, I must confess, sometimes I go up the GW Parkway and somehow miss the airport exit, so I'm forced to ride up to Spout Run, say 8;) ) It's not much, but it gets the day off to a great start. -- Larry '01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco '84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike) '01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small emergency backup bike) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 11:11:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6ve.mailsrvcs.net (smtp6vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.27]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5DFBOO22069 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:11:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltrgyst.tennisbooks.com (adsl-151-200-19-35.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.19.35]) by smtp6ve.mailsrvcs.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA31640869 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:11:15 GMT Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010613110552.00aa9390@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:08:11 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! In-Reply-To: <20010613143136.15189.qmail@web9604.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3B2777EE.75335136@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed ...and the female corollary would be what? Or do they just choose one of the multitude of souvenirs they've accumulated from a lifetime of dating? -- Larry At 10:31 AM 6/13/01, Jeannette wrote: >I call it "dick measuring syndrome." >Opposite correlations apply here. Like to get in over >your head? Feel the need to prove something? Small >dick. :-) >heh > >- Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > >--- Chuck Pena wrote: > > Glenn, > > > > Peoples' egos get in the way and > > more people seem to > > have the need to "prove something" by trying to ride > > fast. That's when > > folks tend to ride over their heads, outside of > > their comfort > > level/ability limits, and faster than they're really > > capable of riding. > > > Cheers, > > Chuck > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 >a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 11:17:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9603.mail.yahoo.com (web9603.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.182]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5DFH2O22214 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010613151658.88797.qmail@web9603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.11.149.33] by web9603.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:16:58 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 08:16:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannette Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! To: Larry Larson , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010613110552.00aa9390@mail.9netave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >From what I've seen there isn't a corollary. Must be something in the testosterone, ya think? ;-) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 --- Larry Larson wrote: > ...and the female corollary would be what? Or do > they > just choose one of the multitude of souvenirs > they've > accumulated from a lifetime of dating? > > -- Larry > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 13:00:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from usnews.com (usnews.com [209.116.158.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5DH0VO23899 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.150.101.26] by usn-dc5.usnews.com (NTMail 6.04.0010/NU7436.01.51b8aca2) with ESMTP id jwggaaaa for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:59:59 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20010613125747.00a74e30@ntpop.usnews.com> X-Sender: editboser@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:00:04 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ulrich Boser Subject: Inspection Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hello, I want to get my recently purchased motorcycle inspected in MD. Anyone have any recommendations on where to go? CyclesUSA is saying that I have to call at 10 am in the morning to see if they have any cancellations. Very aggravating. Any other places?? Thanks, Ulrich Ps. Didnt make bike night - I was at the beach. But DC is the place to have 'em. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 13:31:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from popout-f.gsfc.nasa.gov ([128.183.254.137]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5DHVfO24440 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from popd-f.gsfc.nasa.gov (pop700 [128.183.254.131]) by popout-f.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13314; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gsfc.nasa.gov (sunset.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.221.159]) by popd-f.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26524; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B27A259.E9A28B0E@gsfc.nasa.gov> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:26:50 -0400 From: Robert Rapp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ulrich Boser CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Inspection References: <4.2.2.20010613125747.00a74e30@ntpop.usnews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you are near Olney MD, try Fletchers Amoco. 301 924 4500. Bob '97 VFR (4-sale) '89 HawkGT Ulrich Boser wrote: > Hello, > > I want to get my recently purchased motorcycle inspected in MD. Anyone have > any recommendations on where to go? CyclesUSA is saying that I have to call > at 10 am in the morning to see if they have any cancellations. Very > aggravating. Any other places?? Thanks, > > Ulrich > Ps. Didnt make bike night - I was at the beach. But DC is the place to have 'em. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 13:33:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5DHXlO24461 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.15]) id QQktgo03539 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:33:46 GMT Received: from usashexims03.corp.us.uu.net by imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.80.15]) id QQktgo14380 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:33:41 GMT Received: by corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:25:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Wood, Sally" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Bike for sale!!!!!! Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:25:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" 1998 Suzuki GS500E 3,550 miles $3,000.00 Black and silver. All stock. Mostly garaged. Great condition!! This bike is fun to ride and is especially well-suited for newer riders. Kelly Blue Book places it at a higher price at MUCH higher mileage: http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.mr?kbb;356491&;rc;r&154&1998;Suzuki;GS500 EW;42500;12990 See a photo (2001, but nearly identical) at: http://www.suzukicycles.com/sr_01/sportstreet/bp_gs500.htm I'll be placing an ad in the Post this weekend so if anyone on the list is interested, please let me know! Sally Wood '01 YZF600R :) Ashburn, Virginia Daytime phone: 703-886-4075 swood@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 13:35:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f55.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.55]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5DHZaO24540 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:35:29 -0700 Received: from 199.228.142.5 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:35:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [199.228.142.5] From: "Perry Coleman" To: uboser@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Inspection Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:35:29 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jun 2001 17:35:29.0364 (UTC) FILETIME=[3D311140:01C0F42F] Ulrich, Try Cycle Accessory Discounters (CAD) in Gaithersburg. 301-977-7188. Keep in mind that most bike shops are flat-out right now. Not too many have a lot of idle shop time in the warm months. You can also try Montgomery Village Auto Clinic, in Montgomery Village. I don't have their number. It's actually a car shop, but the owner rides and does some inspections. Good people. HTH Perry >From: Ulrich Boser >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Inspection >Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:00:04 -0400 > >Hello, > >I want to get my recently purchased motorcycle inspected in MD. Anyone have >any recommendations on where to go? CyclesUSA is saying that I have to call >at 10 am in the morning to see if they have any cancellations. Very >aggravating. Any other places?? Thanks, > >Ulrich >Ps. Didnt make bike night - I was at the beach. But DC is the place to have >'em. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 13:48:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5DHmJO24733 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.15]) id QQktgp20375 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:48:17 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQktgp15871 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:48:08 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:48:02 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: A funny/scary story from across the pond Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1219668007==_ma============" --============_-1219668007==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Someone on the WERA BBS recieved this from a friend across the pond.... >Some of us wear BMW style two piece "open chin" helmets - you know >the type - where the lower chin piece can be opened by pressing two >thumb locks. Some people have also fitted their bikes with >electronic cruise control or a version which operates on friction on >the throttle - either way they hold the speed of the bike reasonably >constant without any input from one's throttle hand. We also all >wear gloves, which invariably fasten around the wrist with either a >velcro flap or a press stud; some of the more expensive types have a >zip fastener as well, among other features. > >Picture if you will, one lone BMW rider with an opening chin helmet >and a pair of good quality velcro fastened gloves sailing along the >Hume Highway at 115 kph (that's all I'll admit to!!) dialled in on >the electronic cruise control. Weather is good, no cars in the >immediate vicinity, scenery is boring, no cops, life is good!! > >Junction of highway with Albury/Wodonga Road about 5 km away, no >need to slow down yet; bike is running beautifully!! Looking forward >to lunch. > >Bugger! Is that a bee that just got into my helmet through the small >gap I've left for some fresh air? Could be. Well, I'll just open my >helmet visor to let him out. Visor up ... no, the little bugger is >going to be stubborn, cantankerous even! He's not going to leave and >is now behind my sunnies, must be tired from all that pollen >hunting. Don't want to be stung on the eyelid-I'll just open the >chin piece on my BMW helmet (very handy) and get him out .... let go >of handlebars .... squeeze the release buttons bike is nicely >balanced and holding line well ... speed steady ... no cars ... this >should be easy ... got the helmet open ... glasses off ... piss off >bee! ... glasses on ... slam shut helmet ... hands back to bars ---- >oh, sheeite! > >Thumbs of both gloves jammed in helmet!!! Gloves won't move even >though I'm pulling like hell!! Wow, this will be testing...can't >quite press the release buttons with little fingers ... junction now >3.5 km away ... I know, I'll just pull one or both hands out of my >gloves.... no, that doesn't work: "velcro is good stuff, won't come >undone if you fall off!" I remember the salesman saying that. He was >absolutely right, they're stuck fast, I'd have to tear my head off >first. Well, next brilliant idea, what if I just touched the foot >brake --- nooo, dumb idea! That won't work, this airhead beemer has >great engine braking and >when I get to about 40 kph and can't balance the bike any longer and >the dreaded BMW boxer wheel-wobble starts, which it will, I am going >to have major tank slappers --- sheeeiite!! I'll be off on my bum so >quick and still hanging onto my helmet so tightly they'll have to >bury me in it!! > >Won't do the bike much good either!!! Hell, I can see the junction >up ahead about one and half k's away and I am really starting to get >the wind up ... tense even ... certain parts are beginning to pucker >... if the lights change to red and that huge B-double (a double >tractor trailer only seen in Aus - G) waiting at the lights is in >the middle of the intersection when I get there, jeeesus, I'm going >to be a hood ornament next to that bloody chrome bull dog!! Must try >and pull hands really hard ... can I make them any smaller ... 800 >metres ... the left one is giving a little ... maybe the gloves are >slipping on the sweat now pouring from every pore ... 600 metres >yes, yes, that's it, they're wet with sweat ....... I am going to >have to hit the footbrake in the next few seconds ... can't hit that >@#$*&@ big truck at this speed, it might scratch his duco ... yes! >yes! ripper! Got the left hand out ... now hit foot brake to cancel >cruise, de-clutch and slow bike with foot brake ... steer for the >shoulder ... slowing down ...slide foot... stop ... ease out clutch >to stall bike ... side stand down...switch off bike with left hand, >right hand still glued to helmet ... tintops going past must think >I've got toothache ... fall off into grass ... lay there for 5 >minutes till the shaking stops and the adrenalin rush dissipates... >now release helmet with left hand and remove sweat soaked head. > >Breathe out ---- shizer! Was that ever close! I'll buy a Tatts ticket. > >When I had recovered, I realised there were two observation here:- > >No. 1: It's not a good idea to open or shut your helmet when on the move. > >and No. 2: Did you know, "adrenalin" is brown!! -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html --============_-1219668007==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" A funny/scary story from across the pond
Someone on the WERA BBS recieved this from a friend across the pond....

Some of us wear BMW style two piece "open chin" helmets - you know the type - where the lower chin piece can be opened by pressing two thumb locks. Some people have also fitted their bikes with electronic cruise control or a version which operates on friction on the throttle - either way they hold the speed of the bike reasonably constant without any input from one's throttle hand. We also all wear gloves, which invariably fasten around the wrist with either a velcro flap or a press stud; some of the more expensive types have a zip fastener as well, among other features.

Picture if you will, one lone BMW rider with an opening chin helmet and a pair of good quality velcro fastened gloves sailing along the Hume Highway at 115 kph (that's all I'll admit to!!) dialled in on the electronic cruise control. Weather is good, no cars in the immediate vicinity, scenery is boring, no cops, life is good!!

Junction of highway with Albury/Wodonga Road about 5 km away, no need to slow down yet; bike is running beautifully!! Looking forward to lunch.

Bugger! Is that a bee that just got into my helmet through the small gap I've left for some fresh air? Could be. Well, I'll just open my helmet visor to let him out. Visor up ... no, the little bugger is going to be stubborn, cantankerous even! He's not going to leave and is now behind my sunnies, must be tired from all that pollen hunting. Don't want to be stung on the eyelid-I'll just open the chin piece on my BMW helmet (very handy) and get him out .... let go of handlebars .... squeeze the release buttons bike is nicely balanced and holding line well ... speed steady ... no cars ... this should be easy ... got the helmet open ... glasses off ... piss off bee! ... glasses on ... slam shut helmet ... hands back to bars ---- oh, sheeite!

Thumbs of both gloves jammed in helmet!!! Gloves won't move even though I'm pulling like hell!! Wow, this will be testing...can't quite press the release buttons with little fingers ... junction now 3.5 km away ... I know, I'll just pull one or both hands out of my gloves.... no, that doesn't work: "velcro is good stuff, won't come undone if you fall off!" I remember the salesman saying that. He was absolutely right, they're stuck fast, I'd have to tear my head off first. Well, next brilliant idea, what if I just touched the foot brake --- nooo, dumb idea! That won't work, this airhead beemer has great engine braking and
when I get to about 40 kph and can't balance the bike any longer and the dreaded BMW boxer wheel-wobble starts, which it will, I am going to have major tank slappers --- sheeeiite!! I'll be off on my bum so quick and still hanging onto my helmet so tightly they'll have to bury me in it!!

Won't do the bike much good either!!! Hell, I can see the junction up ahead about one and half k's away and I am really starting to get the wind up ... tense even ... certain parts are beginning to pucker ... if the lights change to red and that huge B-double (a double tractor trailer only seen in Aus - G) waiting at the lights is in the middle of the intersection when I get there, jeeesus, I'm going to be a hood ornament next to that bloody chrome bull dog!! Must try and pull hands really hard ... can I make them any smaller ... 800 metres ... the left one is giving a little ... maybe the gloves are slipping on the sweat now pouring from every pore ... 600 metres yes, yes, that's it, they're wet with sweat ....... I am going to have to hit the footbrake in the next few seconds ... can't hit that @#$*&@ big truck at this speed, it might scratch his duco ... yes! yes! ripper! Got the left hand out ... now hit foot brake to cancel cruise, de-clutch and slow bike with foot brake ... steer for the shoulder ... slowing down ...slide foot... stop ... ease out clutch to stall bike ... side stand down...switch off bike with left hand, right hand still glued to helmet ... tintops going past must think I've got toothache ... fall off into grass ... lay there for 5 minutes till the shaking stops and the adrenalin rush dissipates... now release helmet with left hand and remove sweat soaked head.

Breathe out ---- shizer! Was that ever close! I'll buy a Tatts ticket.

When I had recovered, I realised there were two observation here:-

No. 1: It's not a good idea to open or shut your helmet when on the move.

and No. 2: Did you know, "adrenalin" is brown!!





--
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html
--============_-1219668007==_ma============-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 13:56:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from popout-f.gsfc.nasa.gov (popout-f.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.254.137]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5DHuFO24851 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from popd-f.gsfc.nasa.gov (pop700 [128.183.254.131]) by popout-f.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15434 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gsfc.nasa.gov (sunset.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.221.159]) by popd-f.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00241 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B27A83C.D7381287@gsfc.nasa.gov> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:51:57 -0400 From: Robert Rapp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Inspection References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think this was meant for the group. (doh!) Bob '97 VFR (4-sale) '89 HawkGT Morris Berman wrote: > If you're near college park, the shell near beltway palza does it. > Basically call you're most convenint gas station and ask. > > -Mb > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX > '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. > > Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to > cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams > > On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Robert Rapp wrote: > > > If you are near Olney MD, try Fletchers Amoco. 301 924 4500. > > > > Bob > > '97 VFR (4-sale) > > '89 HawkGT > > > > Ulrich Boser wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I want to get my recently purchased motorcycle inspected in MD. Anyone have > > > any recommendations on where to go? CyclesUSA is saying that I have to call > > > at 10 am in the morning to see if they have any cancellations. Very > > > aggravating. Any other places?? Thanks, > > > > > > Ulrich > > > Ps. Didnt make bike night - I was at the beach. But DC is the place to have 'em. > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 14:23:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from fulcrum ([204.70.128.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5DINXO25378 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-33 #43876) id <0GEV00D01SENWL@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw.ie.cw.net ([204.70.128.53]) by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-33 #43876) with ESMTP id <0GEV00D1HSENUI@XXXXXX>; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-gw.ie.cw.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:23:29 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:23:01 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: RE: A funny/scary story from across the pond To: "'Sean Jordan'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC680680715@resie03.ie.cw.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_AlblF829gvbPMQJfsd/GlQ)" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_AlblF829gvbPMQJfsd/GlQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hmmm, I got this about a week ago from a guy on a US based list that I belong to. Seems he had the EXACT (word for word, excluding the metric conversions...) same experience in WV over the memorial day group ride I was supposed to be on - I wonder who it actually happened to... -Calvin '00 VFR800 Interceptor -----Original Message----- From: Sean Jordan [mailto:sean.jordan@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 1:48 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: A funny/scary story from across the pond Someone on the WERA BBS recieved this from a friend across the pond.... Some of us wear BMW style two piece "open chin" helmets - you know the type - where the lower chin piece can be opened by pressing two thumb locks. Some people have also fitted their bikes with electronic cruise control or a version which operates on friction on the throttle - either way they hold the speed of the bike reasonably constant without any input from one's throttle hand. We also all wear gloves, which invariably fasten around the wrist with either a velcro flap or a press stud; some of the more expensive types have a zip fastener as well, among other features. Picture if you will, one lone BMW rider with an opening chin helmet and a pair of good quality velcro fastened gloves sailing along the Hume Highway at 115 kph (that's all I'll admit to!!) dialled in on the electronic cruise control. Weather is good, no cars in the immediate vicinity, scenery is boring, no cops, life is good!! Junction of highway with Albury/Wodonga Road about 5 km away, no need to slow down yet; bike is running beautifully!! Looking forward to lunch. Bugger! Is that a bee that just got into my helmet through the small gap I've left for some fresh air? Could be. Well, I'll just open my helmet visor to let him out. Visor up ... no, the little bugger is going to be stubborn, cantankerous even! He's not going to leave and is now behind my sunnies, must be tired from all that pollen hunting. Don't want to be stung on the eyelid-I'll just open the chin piece on my BMW helmet (very handy) and get him out .... let go of handlebars .... squeeze the release buttons bike is nicely balanced and holding line well ... speed steady ... no cars ... this should be easy ... got the helmet open ... glasses off ... piss off bee! ... glasses on ... slam shut helmet ... hands back to bars ---- oh, sheeite! Thumbs of both gloves jammed in helmet!!! Gloves won't move even though I'm pulling like hell!! Wow, this will be testing...can't quite press the release buttons with little fingers ... junction now 3.5 km away ... I know, I'll just pull one or both hands out of my gloves.... no, that doesn't work: "velcro is good stuff, won't come undone if you fall off!" I remember the salesman saying that. He was absolutely right, they're stuck fast, I'd have to tear my head off first. Well, next brilliant idea, what if I just touched the foot brake --- nooo, dumb idea! That won't work, this airhead beemer has great engine braking and when I get to about 40 kph and can't balance the bike any longer and the dreaded BMW boxer wheel-wobble starts, which it will, I am going to have major tank slappers --- sheeeiite!! I'll be off on my bum so quick and still hanging onto my helmet so tightly they'll have to bury me in it!! Won't do the bike much good either!!! Hell, I can see the junction up ahead about one and half k's away and I am really starting to get the wind up ... tense even ... certain parts are beginning to pucker ... if the lights change to red and that huge B-double (a double tractor trailer only seen in Aus - G) waiting at the lights is in the middle of the intersection when I get there, jeeesus, I'm going to be a hood ornament next to that bloody chrome bull dog!! Must try and pull hands really hard ... can I make them any smaller ... 800 metres ... the left one is giving a little ... maybe the gloves are slipping on the sweat now pouring from every pore ... 600 metres yes, yes, that's it, they're wet with sweat ....... I am going to have to hit the footbrake in the next few seconds ... can't hit that @#$*&@ big truck at this speed, it might scratch his duco ... yes! yes! ripper! Got the left hand out ... now hit foot brake to cancel cruise, de-clutch and slow bike with foot brake ... steer for the shoulder ... slowing down ...slide foot... stop ... ease out clutch to stall bike ... side stand down...switch off bike with left hand, right hand still glued to helmet ... tintops going past must think I've got toothache ... fall off into grass ... lay there for 5 minutes till the shaking stops and the adrenalin rush dissipates... now release helmet with left hand and remove sweat soaked head. Breathe out ---- shizer! Was that ever close! I'll buy a Tatts ticket. When I had recovered, I realised there were two observation here:- No. 1: It's not a good idea to open or shut your helmet when on the move. and No. 2: Did you know, "adrenalin" is brown!! -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html --Boundary_(ID_AlblF829gvbPMQJfsd/GlQ) Content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" A funny/scary story from across the pond
Hmmm, I got this about a week ago from a guy on a US based list that I belong to.  Seems he had the EXACT (word for word, excluding the metric conversions...) same experience in WV over the memorial day group ride I was supposed to be on - I wonder who it actually happened to...
 
-Calvin
'00 VFR800 Interceptor
 
 
 -----Original Message-----
From: Sean Jordan [mailto:sean.jordan@XXXXXX]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 1:48 PM
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: A funny/scary story from across the pond

Someone on the WERA BBS recieved this from a friend across the pond....

Some of us wear BMW style two piece "open chin" helmets - you know the type - where the lower chin piece can be opened by pressing two thumb locks. Some people have also fitted their bikes with electronic cruise control or a version which operates on friction on the throttle - either way they hold the speed of the bike reasonably constant without any input from one's throttle hand. We also all wear gloves, which invariably fasten around the wrist with either a velcro flap or a press stud; some of the more expensive types have a zip fastener as well, among other features.

Picture if you will, one lone BMW rider with an opening chin helmet and a pair of good quality velcro fastened gloves sailing along the Hume Highway at 115 kph (that's all I'll admit to!!) dialled in on the electronic cruise control. Weather is good, no cars in the immediate vicinity, scenery is boring, no cops, life is good!!

Junction of highway with Albury/Wodonga Road about 5 km away, no need to slow down yet; bike is running beautifully!! Looking forward to lunch.

Bugger! Is that a bee that just got into my helmet through the small gap I've left for some fresh air? Could be. Well, I'll just open my helmet visor to let him out. Visor up ... no, the little bugger is going to be stubborn, cantankerous even! He's not going to leave and is now behind my sunnies, must be tired from all that pollen hunting. Don't want to be stung on the eyelid-I'll just open the chin piece on my BMW helmet (very handy) and get him out .... let go of handlebars .... squeeze the release buttons bike is nicely balanced and holding line well ... speed steady ... no cars ... this should be easy ... got the helmet open ... glasses off ... piss off bee! ... glasses on ... slam shut helmet ... hands back to bars ---- oh, sheeite!

Thumbs of both gloves jammed in helmet!!! Gloves won't move even though I'm pulling like hell!! Wow, this will be testing...can't quite press the release buttons with little fingers ... junction now 3.5 km away ... I know, I'll just pull one or both hands out of my gloves.... no, that doesn't work: "velcro is good stuff, won't come undone if you fall off!" I remember the salesman saying that. He was absolutely right, they're stuck fast, I'd have to tear my head off first. Well, next brilliant idea, what if I just touched the foot brake --- nooo, dumb idea! That won't work, this airhead beemer has great engine braking and
when I get to about 40 kph and can't balance the bike any longer and the dreaded BMW boxer wheel-wobble starts, which it will, I am going to have major tank slappers --- sheeeiite!! I'll be off on my bum so quick and still hanging onto my helmet so tightly they'll have to bury me in it!!

Won't do the bike much good either!!! Hell, I can see the junction up ahead about one and half k's away and I am really starting to get the wind up ... tense even ... certain parts are beginning to pucker ... if the lights change to red and that huge B-double (a double tractor trailer only seen in Aus - G) waiting at the lights is in the middle of the intersection when I get there, jeeesus, I'm going to be a hood ornament next to that bloody chrome bull dog!! Must try and pull hands really hard ... can I make them any smaller ... 800 metres ... the left one is giving a little ... maybe the gloves are slipping on the sweat now pouring from every pore ... 600 metres yes, yes, that's it, they're wet with sweat ....... I am going to have to hit the footbrake in the next few seconds ... can't hit that @#$*&@ big truck at this speed, it might scratch his duco ... yes! yes! ripper! Got the left hand out ... now hit foot brake to cancel cruise, de-clutch and slow bike with foot brake ... steer for the shoulder ... slowing down ...slide foot... stop ... ease out clutch to stall bike ... side stand down...switch off bike with left hand, right hand still glued to helmet ... tintops going past must think I've got toothache ... fall off into grass ... lay there for 5 minutes till the shaking stops and the adrenalin rush dissipates... now release helmet with left hand and remove sweat soaked head.

Breathe out ---- shizer! Was that ever close! I'll buy a Tatts ticket.

When I had recovered, I realised there were two observation here:-

No. 1: It's not a good idea to open or shut your helmet when on the move.

and No. 2: Did you know, "adrenalin" is brown!!





--
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html
--Boundary_(ID_AlblF829gvbPMQJfsd/GlQ)-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 14:52:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5DIqNO25976 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-122.patriot.net [209.249.180.122]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5DIpN428233; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:51:24 -0400 Message-ID: <3B27B4BF.3FBA2E86@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:45:19 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Pflieger, Matthew M." CC: "'MJordan666@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Squids? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They wear beanies so they can expectorate in my general direction seeing as how my Hardly is lacking in polish, long on dead bugs, and my minimum hat is a Snell 3/4, often a full face, and I wear a leather jacket - no tassells, damn things will whip the poopy outta you at 80 or so. Bill Pflieger, Matthew M. wrote: > Never a cruiser? So what word is used for the types that > > 1. Begin midlife crisis > 2. Buy coolest-looking cruiser they can afford, esp. hardley > 3. Grow facial hair to extent permitted by employer (including women) > 4. Purchase as much leather as possible without succumbing to actual > protection, i.e. chaps, vest, tassels > 5. Purchase beanie helmet in states w/ helmet laws; scoff at helmets > altogether in non-law states > 6. Park bike at local hangout, stand next to it in order to be seen lots > 7. Get drunk > 8. Crash trying to get home > > Matt L'enfant Provocateur > > -----Original Message----- > From: MJordan666@XXXXXX [mailto:MJordan666@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 8:58 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Squids? > > >What is a Squid? > > Hi Pete, > > Welcome to the list and motorcycling in general. > > The generally accepted definition is that squid is a bastardization of > "squirrelly kid"; i.e. a person who rides with little or no discipline. > > They also tend to ride like calamari swim - fast in straight lines, but > almost no cornering capability. > > The mode of dress can also be an indicator - t-shirt, cutoffs, sneakers (or > flip-flops) and a $500 repli-racer helmet are fairly good indicators. > > Generally, someone who acts irresponsibly on a motorcycle - almost always a > sport bike, sometimes a standard, and almost never a cruiser. > > On your Savage, you're safe from the appelation, although I've seen some > very > nice cafe racers based on the Savage... > > Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 14:52:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5DIqOO25977 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 1.57.177700f7 (15703); Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web36.aolmail.aol.com (web36.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.12]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v78_r3.8) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:52:09 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:52:08 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A funny/scary story from across the pond To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <57.177700f7.28591059@aol.com> ROTFLMAO. Oh my GOD, that was funny. Scary, but funny. =8-0 Remind me to 1. never install an electronic cruise control on my bike and 2. never do that with my Nolan flip up if I do install a cc. Although I have thought about it a time or two. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Wed, 13 Jun 2001 1:52:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Sean Jordan writes: << A funny/scary story from across the pond Someone on the WERA BBS recieved this from a friend across the pond.... Some of us wear BMW style two piece "open chin" helmets - you know the type - where the lower chin piece can be opened by pressing two thumb locks. Some people have also fitted their bikes with electronic cruise control or a version which operates on friction on the throttle - either way they hold the speed of the bike reasonably constant without any input from one's throttle hand. We also all wear gloves, which invariably fasten around the wrist with either a velcro flap or a press stud; some of the more expensive types have a zip fastener as well, among other features. Picture if you will, one lone BMW rider with an opening chin helmet and a pair of good quality velcro fastened gloves sailing along the Hume Highway at 115 kph (that's all I'll admit to!!) dialled in on the electronic cruise control. Weather is good, no cars in the immediate vicinity, scenery is boring, no cops, life is good!! Junction of highway with Albury/Wodonga Road about 5 km away, no need to slow down yet; bike is running beautifully!! Looking forward to lunch. Bugger! Is that a bee that just got into my helmet through the small gap I've left for some fresh air? Could be. Well, I'll just open my helmet visor to let him out. Visor up ... no, the little bugger is going to be stubborn, cantankerous even! He's not going to leave and is now behind my sunnies, must be tired from all that pollen hunting. Don't want to be stung on the eyelid-I'll just open the chin piece on my BMW helmet (very handy) and get him out .... let go of handlebars .... squeeze the release buttons bike is nicely balanced and holding line well ... speed steady ... no cars ... this should be easy ... got the helmet open ... glasses off ... piss off bee! ... glasses on ... slam shut helmet ... hands back to bars ---- oh, sheeite! Thumbs of both gloves jammed in helmet!!! Gloves won't move even though I'm pulling like hell!! Wow, this will be testing...can't quite press the release buttons with little fingers ... junction now 3.5 km away ... I know, I'll just pull one or both hands out of my gloves.... no, that doesn't work: "velcro is good stuff, won't come undone if you fall off!" I remember the salesman saying that. He was absolutely right, they're stuck fast, I'd have to tear my head off first. Well, next brilliant idea, what if I just touched the foot brake --- nooo, dumb idea! That won't work, this airhead beemer has great engine braking and when I get to about 40 kph and can't balance the bike any longer and the dreaded BMW boxer wheel-wobble starts, which it will, I am going to have major tank slappers --- sheeeiite!! I'll be off on my bum so quick and still hanging onto my helmet so tightly they'll have to bury me in it!! Won't do the bike much good either!!! Hell, I can see the junction up ahead about one and half k's away and I am really starting to get the wind up ... tense even ... certain parts are beginning to pucker ... if the lights change to red and that huge B-double (a double tractor trailer only seen in Aus - G) waiting at the lights is in the middle of the intersection when I get there, jeeesus, I'm going to be a hood ornament next to that bloody chrome bull dog!! Must try and pull hands really hard ... can I make them any smaller ... 800 metres ... the left one is giving a little ... maybe the gloves are slipping on the sweat now pouring from every pore ... 600 metres yes, yes, that's it, they're wet with sweat ....... I am going to have to hit the footbrake in the next few seconds ... can't hit that @#$*&@ big truck at this speed, it might scratch his duco ... yes! yes! ripper! Got the left hand out ... now hit foot brake to cancel cruise, de-clutch and slow bike! with foot brake ... steer for t he shoulder ... slowing down ...slide foot... stop ... ease out clutch to stall bike ... side stand down...switch off bike with left hand, right hand still glued to helmet ... tintops going past must think I've got toothache ... fall off into grass ... lay there for 5 minutes till the shaking stops and the adrenalin rush dissipates... now release helmet with left hand and remove sweat soaked head. Breathe out ---- shizer! Was that ever close! I'll buy a Tatts ticket. When I had recovered, I realised there were two observation here:- No. 1: It's not a good idea to open or shut your helmet when on the move. and No. 2: Did you know, "adrenalin" is brown!! -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 15:29:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5DJTPO26664 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 15AGHi-0001Xa-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:26:34 -0700 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:29:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news! In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010612190810.00a8a8d0@mail.9netave.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Larry Larson wrote: > You mean like in http://www.wsdymfg.com/images/glenn1.jpg > and http://www.wsdymfg.com/images/glenn2.jpg ? 8;) > Looks like he was really hauling ass in that second picture. What a squid! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 15:49:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5DJnbO27003 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:49:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200106131549.AA178717214@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: A funny/scary story from across the pond X-Mailer: Fun, but just another urban legend. 1. airhead BMW's are a very unlikely candidate for electronic cruise control - they have little enough charging power as it is. 2. "BMW-style" open face helmets (the BMW System helmets by Schuberth) use a single latch to open the face piece, not two "release catches". 3. Closing the face piece typically requires one hand in front and one hand behind - not both hands on the sides. But a great story nontheless! Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Sean Jordan Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:48:02 -0400 >Someone on the WERA BBS recieved this from a friend across the pond.... > >>Some of us wear BMW style two piece "open chin" helmets - you know >>the type - where the lower chin piece can be opened by pressing two >>thumb locks. Some people have also fitted their bikes with >>electronic cruise control or a version which operates on friction on >>the throttle - either way they hold the speed of the bike reasonably >>constant without any input from one's throttle hand. We also all >>wear gloves, which invariably fasten around the wrist with either a >>velcro flap or a press stud; some of the more expensive types have a >>zip fastener as well, among other features. >> >>Picture if you will, one lone BMW rider with an opening chin helmet >>and a pair of good quality velcro fastened gloves sailing along the >>Hume Highway at 115 kph (that's all I'll admit to!!) dialled in on >>the electronic cruise control. Weather is good, no cars in the >>immediate vicinity, scenery is boring, no cops, life is good!! >> >>Junction of highway with Albury/Wodonga Road about 5 km away, no >>need to slow down yet; bike is running beautifully!! Looking forward >>to lunch. >> >>Bugger! Is that a bee that just got into my helmet through the small >>gap I've left for some fresh air? Could be. Well, I'll just open my >>helmet visor to let him out. Visor up ... no, the little bugger is >>going to be stubborn, cantankerous even! He's not going to leave and >>is now behind my sunnies, must be tired from all that pollen >>hunting. Don't want to be stung on the eyelid-I'll just open the >>chin piece on my BMW helmet (very handy) and get him out .... let go >>of handlebars .... squeeze the release buttons bike is nicely >>balanced and holding line well ... speed steady ... no cars ... this >>should be easy ... got the helmet open ... glasses off ... piss off >>bee! ... glasses on ... slam shut helmet ... hands back to bars ---- >>oh, sheeite! >> >>Thumbs of both gloves jammed in helmet!!! Gloves won't move even >>though I'm pulling like hell!! Wow, this will be testing...can't >>quite press the release buttons with little fingers ... junction now >>3.5 km away ... I know, I'll just pull one or both hands out of my >>gloves.... no, that doesn't work: "velcro is good stuff, won't come >>undone if you fall off!" I remember the salesman saying that. He was >>absolutely right, they're stuck fast, I'd have to tear my head off >>first. Well, next brilliant idea, what if I just touched the foot >>brake --- nooo, dumb idea! That won't work, this airhead beemer has >>great engine braking and >>when I get to about 40 kph and can't balance the bike any longer and >>the dreaded BMW boxer wheel-wobble starts, which it will, I am going >>to have major tank slappers --- sheeeiite!! I'll be off on my bum so >>quick and still hanging onto my helmet so tightly they'll have to >>bury me in it!! >> >>Won't do the bike much good either!!! Hell, I can see the junction >>up ahead about one and half k's away and I am really starting to get >>the wind up ... tense even ... certain parts are beginning to pucker >>... if the lights change to red and that huge B-double (a double >>tractor trailer only seen in Aus - G) waiting at the lights is in >>the middle of the intersection when I get there, jeeesus, I'm going >>to be a hood ornament next to that bloody chrome bull dog!! Must try >>and pull hands really hard ... can I make them any smaller ... 800 >>metres ... the left one is giving a little ... maybe the gloves are >>slipping on the sweat now pouring from every pore ... 600 metres >>yes, yes, that's it, they're wet with sweat ....... I am going to >>have to hit the footbrake in the next few seconds ... can't hit that >>@#$*&@ big truck at this speed, it might scratch his duco ... yes! >>yes! ripper! Got the left hand out ... now hit foot brake to cancel >>cruise, de-clutch and slow bike with foot brake ... steer for the >>shoulder ... slowing down ...slide foot... stop ... ease out clutch >>to stall bike ... side stand down...switch off bike with left hand, >>right hand still glued to helmet ... tintops going past must think >>I've got toothache ... fall off into grass ... lay there for 5 >>minutes till the shaking stops and the adrenalin rush dissipates... >>now release helmet with left hand and remove sweat soaked head. >> >>Breathe out ---- shizer! Was that ever close! I'll buy a Tatts ticket. >> >>When I had recovered, I realised there were two observation here:- >> >>No. 1: It's not a good idea to open or shut your helmet when on the move. >> >>and No. 2: Did you know, "adrenalin" is brown!! > > > > > >-- >"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the >skillful defiance of it." > >-Ernest Becker (1924-1974) > >Sean Jordan >Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing >'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) >'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) >WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 >http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 16:05:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5DK59O27350 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.11]) id QQktgy19163 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:05:05 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQktgy23423 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:04:03 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200106131549.AA178717214@mail.toward.com> References: <200106131549.AA178717214@mail.toward.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:03:59 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: A funny/scary story from across the pond Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Fun, but just another urban legend. > >1. airhead BMW's are a very unlikely candidate for electronic cruise >control - they have little enough charging power as it is. >2. "BMW-style" open face helmets (the BMW System helmets by >Schuberth) use a single latch to open the face piece, not two >"release catches". >3. Closing the face piece typically requires one hand in front and >one hand behind - not both hands on the sides. I have posted a UL. I am shamed. I go to sit in corner now. Before I go, I will post your knowledge on the list that led me astray. :( -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 16:27:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5DKRUO27728 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.11]) id QQktgz15500; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:27:19 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQktgz27482; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:27:13 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:27:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, race@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: One damn cool bike on eBay! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=592284139&r=0&t=0 Neat! -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 16:42:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11205.mail.yahoo.com (web11205.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.187]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5DKgXO28039 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010613204230.13444.qmail@web11205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.71.174.14] by web11205.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:42:30 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:42:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: A funny/scary story from across the pond To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anker never would have posted such drivel. --- Sean Jordan wrote: > >Fun, but just another urban legend. > > > >1. airhead BMW's are a very unlikely candidate for > electronic cruise > >control - they have little enough charging power as > it is. > >2. "BMW-style" open face helmets (the BMW System > helmets by > >Schuberth) use a single latch to open the face > piece, not two > >"release catches". > >3. Closing the face piece typically requires one > hand in front and > >one hand behind - not both hands on the sides. > > I have posted a UL. I am shamed. I go to sit in > corner now. Before I > go, I will post your knowledge on the list that led > me astray. > > :( > > -- > "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of > death and the > skillful defiance of it." > > -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) > > Sean Jordan > Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing > '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) > '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) > WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 > http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 17:30:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5DLUbO28949 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:29:06 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:28:40 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: Inspection Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f5DLUlO28950 Try Potomac Amaco 301-299-8400, They inspect bikes and are really cool, they only need a day or two notice. The mechanic did the inspection while my bike was still on the trailer. Total time was about 30 minutes. George Cole >>> Ulrich Boser 06/13/01 01:00PM >>> Hello, I want to get my recently purchased motorcycle inspected in MD. Anyone have any recommendations on where to go? CyclesUSA is saying that I have to call at 10 am in the morning to see if they have any cancellations. Very aggravating. Any other places?? Thanks, Ulrich Ps. Didnt make bike night - I was at the beach. But DC is the place to have 'em. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 18:17:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from fulcrum ([204.70.128.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5DMHEO29706 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:17:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-33 #43876) id <0GEW00101388IA@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw.ie.cw.net ([204.70.128.53]) by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-33 #43876) with ESMTP id <0GEW00049388QZ@XXXXXX>; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-gw.ie.cw.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:17:15 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:16:53 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: RE: A funny/scary story from across the pond To: "'ScooterFZR@XXXXXX'" , sean.jordan@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC68068071F@resie03.ie.cw.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" What's wrong with electronic cruise controls anyway? I've got one on my Viffer and it works great - really pissed off a Fairfax County LEO last week with it. Got on the County PW and was tooling along in the left lane at 50MPH (the limit) and he tried the old "ride his butt till he lets my important ass by so that I can ILLEGALLY speed while not responding to a call for service..." (Everyone KNOWS that you're required to let police by in the left lane anytime you see one there right?) I just turned on the cruise, set it for 49mph, and let the computer handle the tough stuff. When he finally did pass in the right lane, he gave me a dirty look for not moving... -Calvin -----Original Message----- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [mailto:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 2:52 PM To: sean.jordan@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A funny/scary story from across the pond ROTFLMAO. Oh my GOD, that was funny. Scary, but funny. =8-0 Remind me to 1. never install an electronic cruise control on my bike and 2. never do that with my Nolan flip up if I do install a cc. Although I have thought about it a time or two. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Wed, 13 Jun 2001 1:52:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Sean Jordan writes: << A funny/scary story from across the pond Someone on the WERA BBS recieved this from a friend across the pond.... Some of us wear BMW style two piece "open chin" helmets - you know the type - where the lower chin piece can be opened by pressing two thumb locks. Some people have also fitted their bikes with electronic cruise control or a version which operates on friction on the throttle - either way they hold the speed of the bike reasonably constant without any input from one's throttle hand. We also all wear gloves, which invariably fasten around the wrist with either a velcro flap or a press stud; some of the more expensive types have a zip fastener as well, among other features. Picture if you will, one lone BMW rider with an opening chin helmet and a pair of good quality velcro fastened gloves sailing along the Hume Highway at 115 kph (that's all I'll admit to!!) dialled in on the electronic cruise control. Weather is good, no cars in the immediate vicinity, scenery is boring, no cops, life is good!! Junction of highway with Albury/Wodonga Road about 5 km away, no need to slow down yet; bike is running beautifully!! Looking forward to lunch. Bugger! Is that a bee that just got into my helmet through the small gap I've left for some fresh air? Could be. Well, I'll just open my helmet visor to let him out. Visor up ... no, the little bugger is going to be stubborn, cantankerous even! He's not going to leave and is now behind my sunnies, must be tired from all that pollen hunting. Don't want to be stung on the eyelid-I'll just open the chin piece on my BMW helmet (very handy) and get him out .... let go of handlebars .... squeeze the release buttons bike is nicely balanced and holding line well ... speed steady ... no cars ... this should be easy ... got the helmet open ... glasses off ... piss off bee! ... glasses on ... slam shut helmet ... hands back to bars ---- oh, sheeite! Thumbs of both gloves jammed in helmet!!! Gloves won't move even though I'm pulling like hell!! Wow, this will be testing...can't quite press the release buttons with little fingers ... junction now 3.5 km away ... I know, I'll just pull one or both hands out of my gloves.... no, that doesn't work: "velcro is good stuff, won't come undone if you fall off!" I remember the salesman saying that. He was absolutely right, they're stuck fast, I'd have to tear my head off first. Well, next brilliant idea, what if I just touched the foot brake --- nooo, dumb idea! That won't work, this airhead beemer has great engine braking and when I get to about 40 kph and can't balance the bike any longer and the dreaded BMW boxer wheel-wobble starts, which it will, I am going to have major tank slappers --- sheeeiite!! I'll be off on my bum so quick and still hanging onto my helmet so tightly they'll have to bury me in it!! Won't do the bike much good either!!! Hell, I can see the junction up ahead about one and half k's away and I am really starting to get the wind up ... tense even ... certain parts are beginning to pucker ... if the lights change to red and that huge B-double (a double tractor trailer only seen in Aus - G) waiting at the lights is in the middle of the intersection when I get there, jeeesus, I'm going to be a hood ornament next to that bloody chrome bull dog!! Must try and pull hands really hard ... can I make them any smaller ... 800 metres ... the left one is giving a little ... maybe the gloves are slipping on the sweat now pouring from every pore ... 600 metres yes, yes, that's it, they're wet with sweat ....... I am going to have to hit the footbrake in the next few seconds ... can't hit that @#$*&@ big truck at this speed, it might scratch his duco ... yes! yes! ripper! Got the left hand out ... now hit foot brake to cancel cruise, de-clutch and slow bi! ke! with foot brake ... steer for t he shoulder ... slowing down ...slide foot... stop ... ease out clutch to stall bike ... side stand down...switch off bike with left hand, right hand still glued to helmet ... tintops going past must think I've got toothache ... fall off into grass ... lay there for 5 minutes till the shaking stops and the adrenalin rush dissipates... now release helmet with left hand and remove sweat soaked head. Breathe out ---- shizer! Was that ever close! I'll buy a Tatts ticket. When I had recovered, I realised there were two observation here:- No. 1: It's not a good idea to open or shut your helmet when on the move. and No. 2: Did you know, "adrenalin" is brown!! -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 21:22:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9009.mail.yahoo.com (web9009.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5E1MEO03173 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010614012207.12671.qmail@web9009.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.101.173.19] by web9009.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:22:07 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:22:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tight Squeeze Racing Subject: TSR Injury Fund Raffle Postponed To: Injury Fund Supporters MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The TSR Injury Fund regrets to announce that the 2nd Annual Raffle for Injured Riders must be postponed until later in the roadracing season. Originally, it was scheduled for Sunday, June 17th at the WERA VIR Cycle Jam. At this time, we have rescheduled the drawing for Sunday, Oct 28th at the WERA GNF. This will give us the opportunity to attend more events to generate further awareness for the fund and it's activities. We will attend at least nine more events prior to the GNF, so please look for us at your next local event. We would like to apologize to everyone that has already supported the TSR Injury fund this year, but would like to assure you that we will continue our efforts until our goal of 500 tickets is reached. We understand that there has been an increase in roadracing-based charities, and we appreciate that you choose us. If you have not chosen a motorcycle roadracing based charity for 2001, please consider the TSR Injury Fund. Sincerely, TSR Injury Fund http://www.TightSqueezeRacing.org/InjuryFund.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 22:10:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtprelay.worldbank.org (smtprelay.worldbank.org [138.220.29.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5E2AcO03900 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 22:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WBLN0014.worldbank.org (wbln0014.worldbank.org [138.220.29.7]) by smtprelay.worldbank.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f5E29TX51309 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 22:09:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jitabashi@XXXXXX) Subject: Paging Chris Weaver To: Dc-Cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2a (Intl) 23 November 1999 Message-ID: From: jitabashi@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 22:09:32 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on WBLN0014/Facility/World Bank(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 06/13/2001 10:10:04 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Chris would you mind sending me your phone # off list I would like to talk to you about a possible expansion to dc-cycles or would you mind calling me at my work number below. Thanks in advance. James Itabashi The World Bank Group Site 8 SMS Administrator ISGGC - ISGITC 202-458-1697 x.81697 I2-165D jitabashi@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 22:22:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f208.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.208]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5E2M3O04127 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 22:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:10:32 -0700 Received: from 38.38.106.41 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 02:10:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [38.38.106.41] From: "Aaron Ward" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Open invitation to Skyline Drive this Saturday June 16 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 22:10:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2001 02:10:32.0915 (UTC) FILETIME=[3124BA30:01C0F477] Hi everyone, I had the great pleasure of riding on Skyline Drive last Sunday. Since my weekly admission pass is still valid through Saturday, I plan on heading up there to enjoy it again. My pass is valid for 2 people, and since the guy I went with last time is not going, I can get one other person in for free (avoid the $5 entry fee). Whoever responds first via email will get the freebie. I don't care if you are a squid or a pro-racer, I just would rather have some company to ride down there and eat lunch etc. I don't know what time is best to avoid traffic, but my guess is morning is better than afternoon? I really enjoy the group-riding atmosphere, and I'm not looking for any racing, but a nice relaxed pace with maybe a few brisk corners but nothing serious (like doing the 20mph turns at, oh, 30mph?) Anyway, if anybody is interested, let me know. I live near the Vienna/Fairfax metro station (last stop on the orange line, exit 62 on I-66), and I can meet there in the motorcycle parking area before heading down 66 to Front Royal. I would say tentatively to meet there at 9:30am, but if that is too late/early I can follow up with another email having the general consensus of what time to meet. Also, if there is already a planned group ride being put on by anyone else, that is going to be near skyline, I would like to find out about it and go on that ride and end up on Skyline. Hope to meet some riders who are interested in riding Skyline Drive and possibly eating lunch etc. Aaron S. Ward CBR900RR _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 23:01:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe39.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.207]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5E31bO04726 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 23:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:01:30 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [65.9.63.233] From: "Cliff Zigmond" To: References: <20010613115623.29714.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Parking ticket Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 23:03:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2001 03:01:30.0153 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F663990:01C0F47E] Hell, I've been here almost 4 months now. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Withrow" To: "Cliff Zigmond" Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 6:56 AM Subject: Re: Parking ticket > You have 30 days to register your car in Va. from the > time you move here. As long as your license is still > from Tx. noone will know. > > Todd W. > > > --- Cliff Zigmond wrote: > > I'll be registering in VA. I paid the great state > > of Texas registration fees all the way up to > > January, and I'll be damned if I am going to get > > screwed by 2 states at once. I plan on sticking to > > my TX plates/license/guns as long as they'll let me. > > > > Cliff > > > > *snip!* > > >>If you're planning on registering in DC, you're > > going to have to ante up or they'll withhold your > > registration(s). > > > > > > > > > ===== > AIM: Inf DS > > http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 23:08:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp4ve.mailsrvcs.net (smtp4vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.25]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5E383O04807 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 23:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltrgyst.tennisbooks.com (adsl-151-200-19-35.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.19.35]) by smtp4ve.mailsrvcs.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA43090938 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 03:07:45 GMT Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010613225918.00abf710@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 23:04:02 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: A funny/scary story from across the pond In-Reply-To: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC68068071F@resie03.ie.cw.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed In Virginia, it's illegal to flash your high beams to indicate you want to pass. It's also illegal to not yield to faster traffic, regardless of how fast you *think* you're travelling. When's the last time you had your speedo or cruise control calibrated? You should probably consider yourself lucky you didn't come up against one who'd give your rear fender a little nudge -- just as a hint, of course. Don't tweak the bears, asshole. Jerks like you just make it tougher for the rest of us. -- Larry At 06:16 PM 6/13/01, Ledford, Calvin wrote: >What's wrong with electronic cruise controls anyway? I've got one on my >Viffer and it works great - really pissed off a Fairfax County LEO last week >with it. Got on the County PW and was tooling along in the left lane at >50MPH (the limit) and he tried the old "ride his butt till he lets my >important ass by so that I can ILLEGALLY speed while not responding to a >call for service..." (Everyone KNOWS that you're required to let police by >in the left lane anytime you see one there right?) I just turned on the >cruise, set it for 49mph, and let the computer handle the tough stuff. When >he finally did pass in the right lane, he gave me a dirty look for not >moving... > >-Calvin From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 13 23:16:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe157.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.33.150]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5E3GLO04965 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 23:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:05:09 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [63.44.250.230] From: "Patrick Caulfield" To: "DCCycles" Subject: Wannabe Roadracer Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 23:08:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 6.00.0010.0912 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0000_01C0F45D.C75A65A0" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2001 03:05:09.0156 (UTC) FILETIME=[D1EF6E40:01C0F47E] ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C0F45D.C75A65A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey All, Went to Summit Point last weekend and had a blast watching. Now I'm read= y to hit my first track days. Can anyone suggest which ones would be bet= ter and when they are? Also, I'm open to any suggestions anyone could pa= ss along that would be worth knowing as I'm starting out. One question I've been pondering. With minimal income, is it best to jus= t buy a used race bike or convert my current bike into one? I've got a s= tock CBRF3 and know it hasn't been dogged, but wouldn't it cost big bucks= to get it up to par? I would definitely want to replace things like the= suspension, plastic, tires, exhaust, etc. I read that it might be worth= it to have someone who knows what they're doing set the bike up and then= as I learn deal with more on my own? Is a 600 even too big to start on?= I'm 6'1" and 210 so I don't imagine I would fit well with a 250. How much money should I expect to put in to get me going? Granted, this = is just a hobby to keep me off the streets away from all the cages, cops,= and pedestrians, but like Laura has said, I will get hooked and figure I= might as well do it right. I have a friend who plans on getting into ra= cing next season so I can mooch off him with tools, trailering, etc. Any tips would be appreciated! Hope to meet some of you soon at the next= Bike Night or race weekend. -Chayne PS - Thanks Laura for the good tips!

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Hey All,
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Went to Summit Point last weekend and had a blast= watching.  Now I'm ready to hit my first track days.  Can anyo= ne suggest which ones would be better and when they are?  Also, I'm = open to any suggestions anyone could pass along that would be worth knowi= ng as I'm starting out.
 
One question I've be= en pondering.  With minimal income, is it best to just buy a used ra= ce bike or convert my current bike into one?  I've got a stock = CBRF3 and know it hasn't been dogged, but wouldn't it cost big bucks to g= et it up to par?  I would definitely want to replace things like the= suspension, plastic, tires, exhaust, etc.  I read that it might be = worth it to have someone who knows what they're doing set the bike u= p and then as I learn deal with more on my own?  Is a 600 even too b= ig to start on?  I'm 6'1" and 210 so I don't imagine I would fit wel= l with a 250.
 
How much money should I expect= to put in to get me going?  Granted, this is just a hobby to keep m= e off the streets away from all the cages, cops, and pedestrians, but lik= e Laura has said, I will get hooked and figure I might as well do it righ= t.  I have a friend who plans on getting into racing next season so = I can mooch off him with tools, trailering, etc.
 
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Any tips would be appreciated!  Hope to meet some of you soon a= t the next Bike Night or race weekend.
 
-Chay= ne
 
PS - Thanks Laura for the good tips!
<= BR>



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--part1_ea.16dff716.28599031_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 00:16:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5E4G5O05860 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 00:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA20744 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 00:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprelay1.abs.adelphia.net (smtprelay.abs.adelphia.net [64.8.20.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA00819 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 00:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d478406837 ([216.174.23.240]) by smtprelay1.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GEWJQ301.WJO; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 00:13:15 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" , "Dccycles2" Subject: Summit Point Sunday photos Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 00:13:16 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal http://www.2wheeljunkie.com/photos/racephotos/010610/010610.htm Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club mailto:gary@XXXXXX TL Owners Club: http://www.tl1000.com TL Owners Board: http://server5.ezboard.com/btlownersboard TL Message Board: http://www.voy.com/14718 Yahoo TL Pit: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/tl1000pit From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 01:02:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5E52jO06534 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 01:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool180-101.patriot.net (HELO therock) (209.249.180.101) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2001 04:56:02 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <001201c0f48e$23b87b40$0100a8c0@therock> From: "Chris Weaver" To: "Larry Larson" , "DC Cycles" References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010613225918.00abf710@mail.9netave.com> Subject: Re: A funny/scary story from across the pond Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 00:54:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Larry, Real nice, dickhead. (Remember, you started the namecalling) How on earth would you be breaking the law by not yielding when you're already going the legal speed limit? It's guys like you who foster a double standard for the behavior of cops and make them feel like they're above the laws that they're sworn to uphold. No wonder so many people dislike them and no wonder I now dislike you. I guess in your mind, assualt with a deadly weapon is okay as long as a cop does it to give out "hints". You are such a fucking tool. Chris Weaver ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Larson To: Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 11:04 PM Subject: RE: A funny/scary story from across the pond > In Virginia, it's illegal to flash your high beams to indicate > you want to pass. It's also illegal to not yield to faster > traffic, regardless of how fast you *think* you're travelling. > When's the last time you had your speedo or cruise > control calibrated? > > You should probably consider yourself lucky you didn't > come up against one who'd give your rear fender a little > nudge -- just as a hint, of course. > > Don't tweak the bears, asshole. Jerks like you just > make it tougher for the rest of us. > > -- Larry _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 01:16:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5E5GOO06766 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 01:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA20147; Thu, 14 Jun 1973 01:25:28 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 1973 01:25:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: Ulrich Boser cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Inspection In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20010613125747.00a74e30@ntpop.usnews.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Generally speaking, go to a gas station. They have no incentive to find things "wrong" that aren't. But call around---not all car inspection places are certified for bikes. --garcia On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Ulrich Boser wrote: > Hello, > > I want to get my recently purchased motorcycle inspected in MD. Anyone have > any recommendations on where to go? CyclesUSA is saying that I have to call > at 10 am in the morning to see if they have any cancellations. Very > aggravating. Any other places?? Thanks, > > Ulrich > Ps. Didnt make bike night - I was at the beach. But DC is the place to have 'em. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 02:30:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5E6UIO08616 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 02:30:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA21099 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 02:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA03397 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 02:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cp93425-a.mtgmry1.md.home.com (HELO cp93425a) (65.14.174.34) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2001 06:30:10 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "rydin" To: "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" Subject: RE: Summit Point Sunday photos Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 02:28:10 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c0f4b4$54f050e0$22ae0e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Nice camera work there Gary ! I could only wish mine come out half as good. Niv BMW F650ST -----Original Message----- From: Gary Foreman [mailto:fj1100@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 9:13 PM To: DC-Cycles Mailing List; Dccycles2 Subject: Summit Point Sunday photos http://www.2wheeljunkie.com/photos/racephotos/010610/010610.htm Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club mailto:gary@XXXXXX TL Owners Club: http://www.tl1000.com TL Owners Board: http://server5.ezboard.com/btlownersboard TL Message Board: http://www.voy.com/14718 Yahoo TL Pit: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/tl1000pit _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 07:27:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from xcgca811.corp.logicon.com (xcgca811.corp.logicon.com [137.51.212.181]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5EBRiO13144 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:27:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 137.51.212.181 by xcgca811.corp.logicon.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 14 Jun 2001 04:26:16 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Received: by xcgca811.corp.logicon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 04:26:15 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Meredith, Steve (Contr)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Track Day: Lesson Learned Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 04:26:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Coming out of lurk mode for the first time to post about my recent experience at a Summit Point track day. Below is what I wrote to NESBA: I recently participated in a track day at Summit Point under NESBA sponsorship. I took advantage of your free "first timer" offer which is a really great idea for attracting new riders to your organization. I had a great time zooming around the track at hyper speeds....until the last lap of the morning session when I failed to make turn 1. I made the proverbial rookie mistake of misjudging my entry speed. During all three session that morning, there was always someone in front of me to follow into the turns. As a novice, I wasn't aware of the significance of entry speed and braking points. Since I was just following the pack all morning, I had no idea what my speed was going into the corners. As luck would have it, I found myself going into turn 1 on the final lap of the morning session with no riders in front of me. I braked hard as I had all morning, but apparently didn't scrub off enough speed. Going into the turn too hot, I quickly realize I wasn't going to make it, so I decided to just stand the bike up and ride into the run-off area. Going from pavement to grass, the bike remained upright and I was still in control of the bike. I was thinking, "Good, everything is OK and I'll just slow down gradually." Everything was OK until a huge mud puddle appeared out of nowhere. I knew I couldn't steer on the grass, so in I went. The bike went down and I went tumbling. I figure my speed was down to about 30-40 MPH when I hit the mud hole, so my fall was relatively soft, just minor bumps and bruises. The bike sustained major plastic damage but nothing structural. I was trucked back to my pit area. I hosed off the bike (and me) and was able to ride home. Lesson learned: Gotta know your entry speed and braking points, especially at turn 1. Can't just be a sheep and follow the herd cause you won't know what to do when the herd isn't there to follow. During the beginner's class session, NESBA members pointed out many of the do's and don'ts of track riding, but this is one really bad scenario that wasn't emphasize enough to first timers. I enjoyed my time on the track, but it ticks me off that I did what I was suppose to do to bail out of a bad situation just to be blind sided by a stupid mud hole! Just bad luck I guess. Oh well, get the bike fixed and sign up for the next track day! Steve 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 07:34:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11201.mail.yahoo.com (web11201.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5EBY3O13239 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010614113400.67717.qmail@web11201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.71.174.14] by web11201.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 04:34:00 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 04:34:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: 94.7 Website To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii HJas anyone seen the Classic Rock 94.7 web site? They have an extensive list of motorcycle events from ABATE to WOW. Can we get our stuff on there? http://www.classicrock947.com/wheel.html Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 07:43:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9703.mail.yahoo.com (web9703.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.139]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5EBh5O13410 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010614114303.37673.qmail@web9703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.219.209.68] by web9703.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 04:43:03 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 04:43:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Scratch Subject: Snortin To: DCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Michael J. wrote... > > On your Savage, you're safe from the appelation, although I've seen some > very > nice cafe racers based on the Savage... > Oooo yeah. The Snortin. :) http://www.vintagethunder.com/snorton.html Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 07:45:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EBjPO13501 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:45:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-26.patriot.net [209.249.181.26]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5EBjI423616; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:45:19 -0400 Message-ID: <3B28A26C.34E34A65@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:39:24 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Larson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A funny/scary story from across the pond References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010613225918.00abf710@mail.9netave.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tis also illegal to pass on the right, got me a tickee for that meny moons ago but the circumstances were a *little* bit dicey - I used the shoulder :-) Bill Larry Larson wrote: > In Virginia, it's illegal to flash your high beams to indicate > you want to pass. It's also illegal to not yield to faster > traffic, regardless of how fast you *think* you're travelling. > When's the last time you had your speedo or cruise > control calibrated? > > You should probably consider yourself lucky you didn't > come up against one who'd give your rear fender a little > nudge -- just as a hint, of course. > > Don't tweak the bears, asshole. Jerks like you just > make it tougher for the rest of us. > > -- Larry > > At 06:16 PM 6/13/01, Ledford, Calvin wrote: > >What's wrong with electronic cruise controls anyway? I've got one on my > >Viffer and it works great - really pissed off a Fairfax County LEO last week > >with it. Got on the County PW and was tooling along in the left lane at > >50MPH (the limit) and he tried the old "ride his butt till he lets my > >important ass by so that I can ILLEGALLY speed while not responding to a > >call for service..." (Everyone KNOWS that you're required to let police by > >in the left lane anytime you see one there right?) I just turned on the > >cruise, set it for 49mph, and let the computer handle the tough stuff. When > >he finally did pass in the right lane, he gave me a dirty look for not > >moving... > > > >-Calvin From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 07:54:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EBsnO13604 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-26.patriot.net [209.249.181.26]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5EBsf424603; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:54:42 -0400 Message-ID: <3B28A49F.AD190281@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:48:47 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Weaver CC: Larry Larson , DC Cycles Subject: Re: A funny/scary story from across the pond References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010613225918.00abf710@mail.9netave.com> <001201c0f48e$23b87b40$0100a8c0@therock> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I do believe VA has a "use left lane for passing only" deal, but I don't think it's tickatable - but you could get nailed for "obstructing traffic". In many states, much to my delight, cruising the left lane without making an obvious pass is ticketable. In other states it's just plain rude. But arry's bumper tagging plan is more than a ticket - I believe that could be escalated to a felony charge, and it's also more than rude - it's freaky dangerous road ragious behavior. I think you're lucky the cop didn't pull you over for a slow, annoying inspection of your vehicle and papers along with a lecture on VAs keep right except when passing philosophy. Bill Chris Weaver wrote: > Larry, > > Real nice, dickhead. (Remember, you started the namecalling) How on earth > would you be breaking the law by not yielding when you're already going the > legal speed limit? It's guys like you who foster a double standard for the > behavior of cops and make them feel like they're above the laws that they're > sworn to uphold. No wonder so many people dislike them and no wonder I now > dislike you. I guess in your mind, assualt with a deadly weapon is okay as > long as a cop does it to give out "hints". You are such a fucking tool. > > Chris Weaver > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Larry Larson > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 11:04 PM > Subject: RE: A funny/scary story from across the pond > > > In Virginia, it's illegal to flash your high beams to indicate > > you want to pass. It's also illegal to not yield to faster > > traffic, regardless of how fast you *think* you're travelling. > > When's the last time you had your speedo or cruise > > control calibrated? > > > > You should probably consider yourself lucky you didn't > > come up against one who'd give your rear fender a little > > nudge -- just as a hint, of course. > > > > Don't tweak the bears, asshole. Jerks like you just > > make it tougher for the rest of us. > > > > -- Larry > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 08:03:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14603.mail.yahoo.com (web14603.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.83]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5EC3sO13798 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010614120351.95924.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.38.232] by web14603.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:03:51 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:03:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Inspection To: uboser@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ulrich: sorry for the late reply here. rick hart at the potomac village amoco on river road is a buddy of mine and he does inspections on short notice. --- Perry Coleman wrote: > Ulrich, > > Try Cycle Accessory Discounters (CAD) in Gaithersburg. > 301-977-7188. Keep in > mind that most bike shops are flat-out right now. Not too > many have a lot of > idle shop time in the warm months. > > You can also try Montgomery Village Auto Clinic, in > Montgomery Village. I > don't have their number. It's actually a car shop, but > the owner rides and > does some inspections. Good people. > > HTH > > Perry > > >From: Ulrich Boser > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Inspection > >Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:00:04 -0400 > > > >Hello, > > > >I want to get my recently purchased motorcycle inspected > in MD. Anyone have > >any recommendations on where to go? CyclesUSA is saying > that I have to call > >at 10 am in the morning to see if they have any > cancellations. Very > >aggravating. Any other places?? Thanks, ===== tg check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 08:50:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([63.218.228.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5ECoQO14636 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana.wheatintl.com (iguana [63.218.228.106]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f5ECliW04023 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:47:44 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010614084421.02f9bcb0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:49:39 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Right lane passing (was Re: A funny/scary story) In-Reply-To: <001201c0f48e$23b87b40$0100a8c0@therock> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010613225918.00abf710@mail.9netave.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:54 AM 6/14/2001, Chris Weaver wrote: >How on earth >would you be breaking the law by not yielding when you're already going the >legal speed limit? My understanding is that the law supercedes the speed limit. It was enacted to stop people from cruising in the passing lane. If you are going 80 in a 55 in the left lane, you are obliged to move over for someone coming up behind you or that flashes their lights. The reason the speed limit doesn't come into effect is because left lane cruising is dangerous - forcing people to pass on the right (possibly with a merge lane) - or generating "road rage". I put it in quotes because the behavior has always been there - the media has only found a catchy name for it in the last couple of years. I am pretty sure this was discussed around this time last year. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Some list stickers still available - HUG all sold out From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 08:53:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([63.218.228.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5ECrnO14656 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana.wheatintl.com (iguana [63.218.228.106]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f5ECp9W04041 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:51:10 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010614085034.02f7eec0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:53:32 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Open invitation to Skyline Drive this Saturday June 16 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:10 PM 6/13/2001, Aaron Ward wrote: >Anyway, if anybody is interested, let me know. I live near the >Vienna/Fairfax metro station (last stop on the orange line, exit 62 on >I-66), and I can meet there in the motorcycle parking area before heading >down 66 to Front Royal. I would say tentatively to meet there at 9:30am, >but if that is too late/early I can follow up with another email having >the general consensus of what time to meet. 66 to Front Royal! Ouch! At least take 55 from Gainesville. Or head out the VA By-way from Warrenton and join Skyline at 211. I would like to go with you, but I probably shouldn't since I'll be gone all next weekend for the Hoot. Anyone else interested in riding down 6am Thursday? BRP all the way baby! Yeah! _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Some list stickers still available - HUG all sold out From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 08:54:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp7ve.mailsrvcs.net (smtp7vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.28]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5ECsbO14666 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:54:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltrgyst.tennisbooks.com (adsl-151-200-19-35.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.19.35]) by smtp7ve.mailsrvcs.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA32927440 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:54:29 GMT Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010614083750.00aa9820@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:50:01 -0400 To: "DC Cycles" From: Larry Larson Subject: Jerks and cops...Was: A funny/scary story from across the pond In-Reply-To: <001201c0f48e$23b87b40$0100a8c0@therock> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010613225918.00abf710@mail.9netave.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Chris, Being called a name you've earned is small penance for your stupid action. Consider yourself lucky. As to your surmises below, the logic doesn't hold. Note my comment about "calibration" -- how do you know you were actually doing the speed limit? What if you were actually doing, say, 48 -- which is quite reasonable, since vehicle speedos are generally at best accurate within 3%? You're exactly the same as the Montgomery County jerks who cruise the left lane of 355 at some speed at or below the speed limit, and then write to the Post's Dr. Gridlock as though they deserve the Nobel Prize. As to cops in general, I generally agree with you: some are undoubtedly decent people, but many are just thugs at heart. However, the cops are *our* thugs -- they're the thugs on the side of the supposed good guys (us). Actions like yours just aggravate the bad apples (not to mention the rest of the public). So sleep tight, Weaver. Next time you pull one of your stunts, make doubly sure it's a cop car you're playing with, rather than some redneck who won't mind a little bumper tag between his cage or pickup and your two-wheeler. And make sure he knows who you are, so the penalty doesn't fall to the next innocent biker who happens along. -- Larry At 12:54 AM 6/14/01, Chris Weaver wrote: >Larry, > >Real nice, dickhead. (Remember, you started the namecalling) How on earth >would you be breaking the law by not yielding when you're already going the >legal speed limit? It's guys like you who foster a double standard for the >behavior of cops and make them feel like they're above the laws that they're >sworn to uphold. No wonder so many people dislike them and no wonder I now >dislike you. I guess in your mind, assualt with a deadly weapon is okay as >long as a cop does it to give out "hints". You are such a fucking tool. > >Chris Weaver > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Larry Larson >To: >Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 11:04 PM >Subject: RE: A funny/scary story from across the pond > > > > In Virginia, it's illegal to flash your high beams to indicate > > you want to pass. It's also illegal to not yield to faster > > traffic, regardless of how fast you *think* you're travelling. > > When's the last time you had your speedo or cruise > > control calibrated? > > > > You should probably consider yourself lucky you didn't > > come up against one who'd give your rear fender a little > > nudge -- just as a hint, of course. > > > > Don't tweak the bears, asshole. Jerks like you just > > make it tougher for the rest of us. > > > > -- Larry > > > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 09:35:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14605.mail.yahoo.com (web14605.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5EDZ3O15381 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010614133501.9632.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.9.247.2] by web14605.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 06:35:01 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 06:35:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Open invitation to Skyline Drive this Saturday June 16 To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010614085034.02f7eec0@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Troutman wrote: > At 10:10 PM 6/13/2001, Aaron Ward wrote: > >Anyway, if anybody is interested, let me know. I live > near the > >Vienna/Fairfax metro station (last stop on the orange > line, exit 62 on > >I-66), and I can meet there in the motorcycle parking > area before heading > >down 66 to Front Royal. I would say tentatively to meet > there at 9:30am, > >but if that is too late/early I can follow up with > another email having > >the general consensus of what time to meet. > > 66 to Front Royal! Ouch! At least take 55 from > Gainesville. Or head out > the VA By-way from Warrenton and join Skyline at 211. no shit. and the author should also know that skyline turns into the brp at ~charlottesville and becomes a much more enjoyable road (less traffic, higher speed limit). > I would like to go with you, but I probably shouldn't > since I'll be gone > all next weekend for the Hoot. Anyone else interested in > riding down 6am > Thursday? BRP all the way baby! Yeah! dude....that is a LOOOONNNNGGGG trip on the brp. it is very tough to make good time on that road. averaging 60 is, in my opinion, hauling arse. realistically, it's a 2-day trip to the end of it. the last time todd p. and i tried this (en route to deals gap), we had to jump off and slab for 100+ miles to meet our scheduled arrival time. you should prepare a backup route or be ready to do so. ===== tg check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 09:52:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EDq5O15624 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from roadrash [192.9.200.199] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.R) for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:49:16 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , Subject: Wannabe Roadracer Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:48:41 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c0f4d8$b94edb00$c7c809c0@roadrash> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: Patrick_Caulfield@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.199 Chayne, IMO, an F3 is the perfect bike to start on. In the first half season or so, the bike will not limit you much. If for some reason you are in love with you F3, then you can look for another bike. I'd concentrate my money on getting proper safety equipment, then upgrading the suspension and brakes, then getting the rest of the stuff on the bike. I bought a well race thrashed F2 as my race bike. It was already set up. At 6'3/195, I found that I couldn't even use rearsets reasonably. I can't really imagine racing a smaller bike. The WERA production C class is for 600s with stock exhausts. Only power mod allowed is jet kit. Good class to start in. As I said, when you first start out, the bike will not limit you much. Try it out on your F3. If you are realistic with yourself, it will be a while before you reach the limits of even the stock suspension. As time goes by, you can upgrade the suspension. I would really do most of the work yourself. You'll have to at the track, so better to get the proper tools and knowledge. I changed my first clutch with the bike lying on the ground in the pits and a race looming in a couple of hours. Not the ideal conditions for learning :) Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 09:58:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from fulcrum ([204.70.128.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EDwMO15714 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-33 #43876) id <0GEX00C01ASE2C@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw.ie.cw.net ([204.70.128.53]) by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-33 #43876) with ESMTP id <0GEX00B4RASEIM@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-gw.ie.cw.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:58:10 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:57:37 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: Re: Jerks and cops...Was: A funny/scary story from across the pon d To: "'llarson@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC680680720@resie03.ie.cw.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-type: text/plain Just to set the record straight - I was a cop for 6.5 years - in the USAF, Utah, the Myrtle Beach SC. In thoses places the is nothing wrong with 1-9 mph under the limit - although in UT a summons written at 10 under. There was never anything that said you had to yield to any emergency vehicle NOT operating emergeny equipmennt. Calvin -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 09:58:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5EDwNO15716 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool180-45.patriot.net (HELO therock) (209.249.180.45) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2001 13:58:20 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <003501c0f4d9$e2eae7a0$0100a8c0@therock> From: "Chris Weaver" To: "Larry Larson" , "DC Cycles" References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010613225918.00abf710@mail.9netave.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20010614083750.00aa9820@mail.9netave.com> Subject: Re: Jerks and cops...Was: A funny/scary story from across the pond Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:56:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Larson To: DC Cycles Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 8:50 AM Subject: Jerks and cops...Was: A funny/scary story from across the pond > Chris, > > Being called a name you've earned is small penance > for your stupid action. Consider yourself lucky. Hey, dimwit, it wasn't me that held up the cop. Check your facts. > As to your surmises below, the logic doesn't hold. Note > my comment about "calibration" -- how do you know you > were actually doing the speed limit? What if you were > actually doing, say, 48 -- which is quite reasonable, > since vehicle speedos are generally at best accurate > within 3%? You're exactly the same as the Montgomery > County jerks who cruise the left lane of 355 at some > speed at or below the speed limit, and then write to the > Post's Dr. Gridlock as though they deserve the Nobel Prize. Again, it wasn't me, jackass. I rarely drive the speed limit as I feel it is usually egregious and arbitrary. And if those cops want to pull sneaky pranks in order to fill quotas (like driving in unmarked cars and sitting on people's bumpers to get them to speed up), they deserve all the pain-in-the-ass civilians they can get. > As to cops in general, I generally agree with you: some are > undoubtedly decent people, but many are just thugs at heart. > However, the cops are *our* thugs -- they're the thugs on the > side of the supposed good guys (us). Actions like yours just > aggravate the bad apples (not to mention the rest of the public). Yet again, it wasn't me. I personally don't give one jolly fuck if I "aggravate the bad apples" or not. They deserve it, and their illegal actions will eventually come back to bite them on the ass. But the point is moot - I didn't do it. > So sleep tight, Weaver. Next time you pull one of your stunts, > make doubly sure it's a cop car you're playing with, rather than > some redneck who won't mind a little bumper tag between his > cage or pickup and your two-wheeler. And make sure he knows > who you are, so the penalty doesn't fall to the next innocent > biker who happens along God, you're thick, Larry. You based your whole email on the idea that I was the one that blocked the cop. Jeez, read the emails more carefully if you're going to write such long replies. Also, don't tell me how to ride. If I want to endanger myself, that's up to me. Thanks for your helpful contribution to the list. Chris Weaver _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 09:59:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13801.mail.yahoo.com (web13801.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5EDxVO15733 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:59:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010614135929.50409.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.5.27.135] by web13801.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 06:59:29 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 06:59:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "E. Rittershausen" Subject: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <001201c0f48e$23b87b40$0100a8c0@therock> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I fail to see how this fosters a double standard for cops: he said yield to faster traffic, NOT faster LEOs. Otherwise, 4 guys abreast could drive 55 on the belt and completely screw traffic (not that this doesn't happen.) As for the namecalling, I fully agree that anyone who drives at, let alone below the limit in the left lane without yielding is a complete asshole. Todd --- Chris Weaver wrote: > Larry, > > Real nice, dickhead. (Remember, you started the namecalling) How on > earth > would you be breaking the law by not yielding when you're already > going the > legal speed limit? It's guys like you who foster a double standard > for the > behavior of cops and make them feel like they're above the laws that > they're > sworn to uphold. No wonder so many people dislike them and no wonder > I now > dislike you. I guess in your mind, assualt with a deadly weapon is > okay as > long as a cop does it to give out "hints". You are such a fucking > tool. > > Chris Weaver > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Larry Larson > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 11:04 PM > Subject: RE: A funny/scary story from across the pond > > > > In Virginia, it's illegal to flash your high beams to indicate > > you want to pass. It's also illegal to not yield to faster > > traffic, regardless of how fast you *think* you're travelling. > > When's the last time you had your speedo or cruise > > control calibrated? > > > > You should probably consider yourself lucky you didn't > > come up against one who'd give your rear fender a little > > nudge -- just as a hint, of course. > > > > Don't tweak the bears, asshole. Jerks like you just > > make it tougher for the rest of us. > > > > -- Larry > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > ===== Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy `83 V65 Magna - Falcon `80 CX-500C __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 10:08:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f229.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EE8GO15935 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:08:08 -0700 Received: from 199.228.142.5 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:08:08 GMT X-Originating-IP: [199.228.142.5] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Jerks and cops...Was: A funny/scary story from across the pond Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:08:08 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2001 14:08:08.0653 (UTC) FILETIME=[705CF7D0:01C0F4DB] Huh? Rt 355 is not an Interstate, or other "limited-access" highway. It is a surface street, with cross streets. Right turns and left turns are common. There is no "rule" about "keeping right, except to pass" on a road like 355. >From: Larry Larson >To: "DC Cycles" >Subject: Jerks and cops...Was: A funny/scary story from across the pond >Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:50:01 -0400 > [snip] >... You're exactly the same as the Montgomery >County jerks who cruise the left lane of 355 at some >speed at or below the speed limit, and then write to the >Post's Dr. Gridlock as though they deserve the Nobel Prize. > [snip] Who's the jerk? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 10:08:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5EE8XO15945 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7786 invoked by uid 1001); 14 Jun 2001 14:08:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20010614140824.7785.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com for [209.117.173.15] via web-mailer on Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:08:13 -0500 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:08:13 -0500 Subject: Re: Wannabe Roadracer How about renting a race bike? $150 to $200 a day. Or if you want to do this more often, buy a fractional share in the bike for the season like you do airplanes. It's a GS500E and you'll have a blast on it. It's light, nimble and not at all scary with only 43hp on tap. And while yes you will lose the drag races down the straights with the 600cc supersports it's IMO lots more fun to make that up in the next few turns. You're going to track days to learn how to ride, afterall, aren't you? Going like a streak of lighting in a straightline is so weak. All I ask is that if you crash it, you pay for the parts to fix it. I do my own labor so you don't have to pay a shop to do the work for me. I also get my parts discounted than what you'd pay for here in the immediate N. VA region. Doing up your own bike is going to cost you major $$$$ (1500 easy) if you're going to get fancy. But quite honestly you can take your street ride to the track and have all the fun you can handle. The question becomes do you want to run the chance of losing your only bike to a crash and the weeks of repairs. And further do you want to explore the limits of your stock configuration or do you want to see what a real race-bike is capable of? Shoot, I took my very^2 high milage HOnda Nighthawk 750 to the track on Monday. All I did was strip the lights off and put in the long overdue fork springs. Was great. But this is a bike that's cheap to fix, has lots of options at salvage yards etc. And no plastic. And I wouldn't cry too hard if I had an incident. cycle Sport's day was fun if a little disorganized and short this last time. And I wish the A riders would quit crashing so much. Us newbies shouldn't get the real short end of the stick because of their fuck-up's. -- "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, they should have voted to convict." _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 10:19:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5EEJ0O16124 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool180-45.patriot.net (HELO therock) (209.249.180.45) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2001 14:18:57 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <004901c0f4dc$c43712e0$0100a8c0@therock> From: "Chris Weaver" To: "DC Cycles" References: <20010614135929.50409.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:17:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Well I agree. I certainly woudn't hang around in the left lane if the next lane over is clear anyway. My point was just that I don't think it's illegal. If you're a strict, follow every law to the T type, then it's irrelevant, however, because you'd never come up behind such a person anyway. The fact that the cop DID come up behind him proves the cop was breaking the law previous to that. I have no respect for hypocritical cops - If they're going to enforce idiotic speed limits, they deserve crap like this. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: E. Rittershausen To: DC Cycles Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 9:59 AM Subject: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond > As for the namecalling, I fully agree that anyone who > drives at, let alone below the limit in the left lane without yielding > is a complete asshole. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 10:23:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EENhO16203 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 2.cf.7cfed48 (3735) for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:23:27 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:23:27 EDT Subject: Re: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10512 >I fully agree that anyone who >drives at, let alone below the limit in the left lane without yielding >is a complete asshole. Not to mention in violation of Virginia Code Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 10:28:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EESgO16284 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:28:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 1.32.166a860e (4241); Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:28:27 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <32.166a860e.285a240a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:28:26 EDT Subject: Re: Wannabe Roadracer To: Patrick_Caulfield@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 123 > Went to Summit Point last weekend and had a blast watching. Now I'm ready to > hit my first track days. Can anyone suggest which ones would be better and > when they are? Also, I'm open to any suggestions anyone could pass along > that would be worth knowing as I'm starting out. Pick up a copy of Keith Code's books. Twist of the Wrist 1 & 2. They are pretty much considered to be the bible when it comes to roadracing. Once you get the basics down....then you can go on to other books with different riding techniques. I would also recommend taking a class geared at improving high speed skills. > One question I've been pondering. With minimal income, is it best to just > buy a used race bike or convert my current bike into one? I've got a stock > CBRF3 and know it hasn't been dogged, but wouldn't it cost big bucks to get > it up to par? I would definitely want to replace things like the suspension, > plastic, tires, exhaust, etc. I read that it might be worth it to have > someone who knows what they're doing set the bike up and then as I learn deal > with more on my own? Is a 600 even too big to start on? I'm 6'1" and 210 so > I don't imagine I would fit well with a 250. But a used lightweight bike. Since you mention being on a tight budget....this would get you the best bang for your buck. Larger bore bikes cost more to maintain on a weekly (and crash) basis. I would suggest you find a nice inexpensive FZR400 and go learn. It will certainly be cheaper on tires. They should last up to 3 weekends. On my SV700 and/or YZF-R6 they last 1 weekend....and sometimes not even that long. > How much money should I expect to put in to get me going? Granted, this is > just a hobby to keep me off the streets away from all the cages, cops, and > pedestrians, but like Laura has said, I will get hooked and figure I might as > well do it right. I have a friend who plans on getting into racing next > season so I can mooch off him with tools, trailering, etc. Thousands. Sorry....but that's the reality. Leathers, Helmets, back protectors, boots, tires, gas, race bits for the bike, the bike itself, race entries, etc....it adds up quickly. It gets even worse if you travel to tracks further away. My racing partner and I figure at least $1,000 a weekend for tracks further than 1-2 hours. And that's ONLY for the basics. (Tires, race gas, travel expenses, food, race entries, hotels, etc....) If you wreck the costs go up exponentially. I believe that I had a $15K + weekend last July due to a nasty wreck. 5K to basically replace the rear end of the R6, $1200 in basic weekend expenses, and another $10K plus in hospital bills. (If you don't have medical insurance that's very good...you should NOT be on a track.) > Any tips would be appreciated! Hope to meet some of you soon at the next > Bike Night or race weekend. Let meknow if this helps. I'm ALWAYS willing to help somebody get into the most addicting sport known to mankind!!! Keener From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 10:32:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EEWiO16371 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:32:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200106141032.AA26214950@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: A funny/scary story from across the pond X-Mailer: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f5EEY6O16372 ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Chris Weaver" >How on earth >would you be breaking the law by not yielding when you're already going the >legal speed limit? It's guys like you who foster a double standard for the >behavior of cops and make them feel like they're above the laws that they're >sworn to uphold. No double standard necessary - here's the law: M-' 46.2-842. Driver to give way to overtaking vehicle. Except when overtaking and passing on the right is permitted, the driver of an overtaken vehicle shall give way to the right in favor of the overtaking vehicle on audible signal and shall not increase the speed of his vehicle until completely passed by the overtaking vehicle. [source http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-842] Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 10:38:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13801.mail.yahoo.com (web13801.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5EEceO16452 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010614143839.60180.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.5.27.135] by web13801.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:38:39 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:38:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "E. Rittershausen" Subject: Re: A funny/scary story from across the pond To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <200106141032.AA26214950@mail.toward.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Let me get this straight. You can't use your high beams to signal your intent to pass, you have to use your HORN? Oh, that makes loads of sense. Todd --- Chris Norloff wrote: > M-' 46.2-842. Driver to give way to overtaking vehicle. > > Except when overtaking and passing on the right is permitted, the > driver of an overtaken vehicle shall give way to the right in favor > of the overtaking vehicle on audible signal and shall not increase > the speed of his vehicle until completely passed by the overtaking > vehicle. > > [source http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-842] > > Chris Norloff ===== Ernst Todd Rittershausen aka Hat-Guy `83 V65 Magna - Falcon `80 CX-500C __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 10:38:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EEcoO16455 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQktju14897 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:38:49 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQktju03687 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:36:30 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010613225918.00abf710@mail.9netave.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010613225918.00abf710@mail.9netave.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:36:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: RE: A funny/scary story from across the pond Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f5EEeCO16456 >In Virginia, it's illegal to flash your high beams to indicate >you want to pass. Wrong. Virginia law states otherwise. Don't believe me? Let's ask.....the CODE OF VIRGINIA! Law of the Land, come on down! " M-' 46.2-842.1. Drivers to give way to certain overtaking vehicles on divided highways. It shall be unlawful to fail to give way to overtaking traffic when driving a motor vehicle to the left and abreast of another motor vehicle on a divided highway. On audible or light signal, the driver of the overtaken vehicle shall move to the right to allow the overtaking vehicle to pass as soon as the overtaken vehicle can safely do so. A violation of this section shall not be construed as negligence per se in any civil action. " Light signal? What ever could they mean? Maybe throwing low-fat food? That's "light" right? Or maybe they meant flashing your high-beams....ya think? >It's also illegal to not yield to faster >traffic, This is true. >Don't tweak the bears, asshole. Jerks like you just >make it tougher for the rest of us. No, jerks just make it tougher on themselves. You should know what that's like right about now, eh? I don't have anything against flaming people, or being flamed myself. But I don't believe in irresponsible flaming....like, flaming the WRONG PERSON. I think rank-amateurs need to sit back and observe before jumping into the fray. -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 10:45:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EEj1O16612 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id e.11.15c47099 (4241); Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:44:48 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <11.15c47099.285a27e0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:44:48 EDT Subject: Re: Track Day: Lesson Learned To: SMeredith@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 123 In a message dated 6/14/01 7:30:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, SMeredith@XXXXXX writes: > I enjoyed my time on the track, but it ticks me off that I did what > I was suppose to do to bail out of a bad situation just to be blind sided by > a stupid mud hole! Just bad luck I guess. Oh well, get the bike fixed and > sign up for the next track day! Pick up a copy of Keith Code's Twist of the Wrist. Believe it or not....most times you can actually make the turn. The only thing holding you back are survival reactions. (Tightening up on the bars, not steering, fixating on the place you don't want to go, etc.) The books should help a lot. Keener From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 10:46:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from nytrend.kenyonlaw.com ([63.125.186.131]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5EEjrO16617 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.22.20.23 by nytrend.kenyonlaw.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:42:14 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Received: by ny4.kenyonlaw.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:45:18 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Neblett, Mark" To: "'ersilberg@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Squids? Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:44:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" They're paid plants -- it's really a clandestine BMW marketing ploy, trying to prove that not all beemer riders are old fart, iron butt types. =8^P Mark Neblett Fairfax, VA '73 BMW R75/5 (hers) '00 BMW K12LTC '01 BMW R1150GS (hers, too!) ex-'75 BMW R75/6 ex-'76 BMW R90/6 ex-'78 BMW R100/7 ex-'79 BMW R100S ex-'00 BMW F650GS ex-'99 BMW R1100RT (see a pattern here?) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 11:01:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11001.mail.yahoo.com (web11001.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5EF1VO16865 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:01:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010614150128.91119.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.230.55.8] by web11001.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:01:28 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:01:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Trey Herb Subject: printed by VDOT(maybe:)) To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Basic Rules for Driving in Northern VA 1. Turn signals will give away your next move. A real Northern VA driver never uses them. 2. Under no circumstances should you leave a safe distance between you and the car in front of you, or the space will be filled in by somebody else, putting you in an even more dangerous situation. 3. Crossing two or more lanes in a single lane change is considered going with the flow. 4. The faster you drive through a red light, the smaller the chance you have of getting hit. 5. Never, ever come to a complete stop at a stop sign. No one expects it and it will inevitably result in you being rear-ended. If you want your insurance company to pay for a new rear bumper, come to a complete stop at all stop signs. 6. A right lane construction closure is just a game to see how many people can cut in line by passing you on the right as you sit in the left lane waiting for the same jerks to squeeze their way back in before hitting the orange and white barricades. 7. Braking is to be done as hard and late as possible to ensure that your ABS kicks in, giving a nice, relaxing foot massage as the brake pedal pulsates. For those of you without ABS, itM-^Rs a chance to stretch your legs. 8. Never pass on the left when you can pass on the right. ItM-^Rs a good way to scare people entering the highway. 9. Speed limits are arbitrary figures, given only as suggestions and are apparently not enforceable in the Northern VA area during rush hour. 10. Just because youM-^Rre in the left lane and have no room to speed up or move over doesnM-^Rt mean that a Northern VA driver flashing his high beams behind you doesnM-^Rt think he can go faster in your spot. 11. Please remember that there is no such thing as a shortcut during rush-hour traffic in Northern VA. 12. Always slow down and rubberneck when you see an accident or even someone changing a tire. 13. Learn to swerve abruptly. Northern VA is the home of high-speed slalom driving thanks to the VDOT, which puts potholes in key locations to test driversM-^R reflexes and keep them on their toes. 14. It is traditional in Northern VA to honk your horn at cars that donM-^Rt move the instant the light changes. 15. Never take a green light at face value. Always look right and left before proceeding. 16. Remember that the goal of every Northern VA driver is to get there first, by whatever means necessary. 17. Real Northern VA female drivers can put on pantyhose and apply eye makeup at seventy-five miles per hour or in bumper-to-bumper traffic. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 11:03:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EF3bO16876 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 2.fd.7c0378d (4543) for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:03:22 -0400 (EDT) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:03:22 EDT Subject: Re: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f5EF4wO16877 I don't think these got posted yet. The first says you have to move to the right for faster traffic. Note that it specifically says that this is not relative to the speed limit, but rather the flow of traffic. M-' 46.2-804. Special regulations applicable on highways laned for traffic. Statute text Whenever any roadway has been divided into clearly marked lanes for traffic, drivers of vehicles shall obey the following: 1. Any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions existing, shall be driven in the lane nearest the right edge or right curb of the highway when such lane is available for travel except when overtaking and passing another vehicle or in preparation for a left turn or where right lanes are reserved for slow-moving traffic as permitted in this section; This one gives the rules for when you are allowed to pass on the right. M-' 46.2-841. When overtaking vehicle may pass on right. Statute text A. The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass to the right of another vehicle only: 1. When the overtaken vehicle is making or about to make a left turn, and its driver has given the required signal; 2. On a highway with unobstructed pavement, not occupied by parked vehicles, of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving vehicles in each direction; 3. On a one-way street or on any one-way roadway when the roadway is free from obstructions and of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving vehicles. B. The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle on the right only under conditions permitting such movement in safety. Except where driving on paved shoulders is permitted by lawfully placed signs, no such movement shall be made by driving on the shoulder of the highway or off the pavement or main traveled portion of the roadway. Fred Grefe GTS1000 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 11:09:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe9.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.113]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EF9CO16975 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:09:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:09:05 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [209.119.26.40] From: "Dexter Medley" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010614075220.00abb950@mail.9netave.com> Subject: Re: A funny/scary story from across the pond Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:10:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2001 15:09:05.0312 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3E6DA00:01C0F4E3] From: "William J. Huson (by way of Larry Larson )" >But arry's bumper tagging plan is more than a ticket - I believe that could be >escalated to a felony charge, and it's also more than rude - it's freaky >dangerous road ragious behavior. Not a plan at all, just an oblique reference to the cop who killed the biker recently in that well-publicized case -- where was it, South Carolina? -- by simply crunching him against the center barrier. -- Larry , From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 11:14:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EFElO17055 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 2.32.166630be (4543) for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:14:28 -0400 (EDT) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Message-ID: <32.166630be.285a2ed3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:14:27 EDT Subject: Re: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_32.166630be.285a2ed3_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 --part1_32.166630be.285a2ed3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I must apologize. In light of the recent posts I realize that my comments are not appropriate without this ammendment. Hey you bunch of lazy m-fers. Why don't you take 2 seconds to look up the statutes before you start talking out your asses. I realize that some of you aren't IT geeks, but through the magic of Google, you too can find your way around. Fred Grefe GTS1000 --part1_32.166630be.285a2ed3_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Full-name: FGrefe Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:03:22 EDT Subject: Re: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 I don't think these got posted yet. The first says you have to move to the=20 right for faster traffic. Note that it specifically says that this is not=20 relative to the speed limit, but rather the flow of traffic. =A7 46.2-804. Special regulations applicable on highways laned for traffic= . Statute text Whenever any roadway has been divided into clearly marked lanes for traffic,= =20 drivers of vehicles shall obey the following: =20 1. Any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the=20 time and place and under the conditions existing, shall be driven in the lan= e=20 nearest the right edge or right curb of the highway when such lane is=20 available for travel except when overtaking and passing another vehicle or i= n=20 preparation for a left turn or where right lanes are reserved for slow-movin= g=20 traffic as permitted in this section; =20 This one gives the rules for when you are allowed to pass on the right. =A7 46.2-841. When overtaking vehicle may pass on right. Statute text A. The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass to the right of another=20 vehicle only: =20 1. When the overtaken vehicle is making or about to make a left turn, and it= s=20 driver has given the required signal; =20 2. On a highway with unobstructed pavement, not occupied by parked vehicles,= =20 of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving vehicles in each=20 direction; =20 3. On a one-way street or on any one-way roadway when the roadway is free=20 from obstructions and of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving=20 vehicles. =20 B. The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle on the=20 right only under conditions permitting such movement in safety. Except where= =20 driving on paved shoulders is permitted by lawfully placed signs, no such=20 movement shall be made by driving on the shoulder of the highway or off the=20 pavement or main traveled portion of the roadway.=20 Fred Grefe GTS1000 --part1_32.166630be.285a2ed3_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 11:14:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EFEtO17058 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.39]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GEX0008PEC6HJ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:14:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GEX00G01EC2SF@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:14:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GEX00F68EBLSL@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:14:09 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:14:08 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: A funny/scary story from across the pond To: "William J. Huson" Cc: Chris Weaver , Larry Larson , DC Cycles Message-id: <3B28D4C0.1B75654D@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010613225918.00abf710@mail.9netave.com> <001201c0f48e$23b87b40$0100a8c0@therock> <3B28A49F.AD190281@XXXXXX> "William J. Huson" wrote: > I think you're lucky the cop didn't pull you over for a slow, annoying > inspection of your vehicle and papers along with a lecture on VAs keep right > except when passing philosophy. You know, on a semi-related note, it is really frustrating to see a "Student Driver" vehicle hogging the left hand lane. Nothing like teaching new drivers bad habits right from the get-go. :( Think I'd be guilty of road rage if I stopped the vehicle, and dragged the instructor out of the passenger side window for a brief consultation? Would a jury convict me? :) Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 27 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 11:15:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from server2.bredhoff.com ([63.80.117.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EFFlO17130 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by SERVER2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:29:48 -0400 Message-ID: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA76542287@SERVER2> From: Michael Lynch To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Parking Tickets Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:29:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" -I am not sure what is going on, but what I do know is that I -plan on getting here earlier to make sure that I get a spot, and if not I am -going to try and park over at McPherson park Hey! Don't come over here clogging up our spaces with your ticketed ass! :-) Actually, they've started ticketing us too. A co-worker just got one because on the one side of the spaces, it's a bus zone. Something like a $75 fine?? Ouch. We're full on nice days and I've had to park outside the signs on many an occasion, but managed to escape the evil metermaids. There is metered MC parking over on the NE corner of Lafayette Park on the corner of H and Vermont that is NEVER used, or checked (for some reason?). I've also parked there with no money and gotten no tickets. I'm such a scofflaw. Mike '96 VFR From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 11:18:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe8.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.112]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EFIrO17164 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:18:46 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [209.119.26.40] From: "Dexter Medley" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010614105631.00ac04e0@mail.9netave.com> Subject: Re: A funny/scary story from across the pond Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:20:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2001 15:18:46.0493 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E5008D0:01C0F4E5] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Jordan (by way of Larry Larson )" But I don't believe in irresponsible flaming....like, flaming the WRONG PERSON. I think rank-amateurs need to sit back and observe before jumping into the fray. Nor do I, and Chris Weaver hereby get a sincere apology from me. I messed up in cutting-and-pasting in Hotmail from two emails trying to re-title and take the legal discussion to a new thread. As to Sean's "rank amateur's" crack, I've been an active participant in Usenet-style flame wars since years before there was a Usenet. Again, Chris, sorry for my error. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 11:28:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EFSoO17343 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQktjx07068 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:28:49 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQktjx20624 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:27:58 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <32.166630be.285a2ed3@aol.com> References: <32.166630be.285a2ed3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:27:54 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >I must apologize. In light of the recent posts I realize that my comments are >not appropriate without this ammendment. > >Hey you bunch of lazy m-fers. Why don't you take 2 seconds to look up the >statutes before you start talking out your asses. I realize that some of you >aren't IT geeks, but through the magic of Google, you too can find your way >around. Yes, YES! You guys are learning! Soon, very soon, DC-Cycles will be a real list again! Huzzah! -- Sean Jordan Macintosh Systems Analyst (703)-886-7661 UUNET Technologies A WORLDCOM Company From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 11:33:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from popout-f.gsfc.nasa.gov (popout-f.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.254.137]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EFXaO17433 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from popd-f.gsfc.nasa.gov (pop700 [128.183.254.131]) by popout-f.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22632 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gsfc.nasa.gov (sunset.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.221.159]) by popd-f.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08111 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B28D8AF.90B1FD2F@gsfc.nasa.gov> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:30:55 -0400 From: Robert Rapp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: printed by VDOT(maybe:)) References: <20010614150128.91119.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On/Off Ramps (freeways): this one gets me. Traffic seems to flow better if the exiting vehicles (the one's needing to slow anyway) yield to those entering (needing to accelerate to speed). Yet it's posted and learned the other way. In this situation, I applaud the violators. Drivers of the right lane should yield to traffic entering the interstate, instead many speed up only to cut you off. Bob '97 VFR (4-sale) '89 HawkGT > 6. A right lane construction closure is just a game to > see how many people can cut in line by passing you on > the right as you sit in the left lane waiting for the > same jerks to squeeze their way back in before hitting > the orange and white barricades. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 11:38:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f167.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.167]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EFcoO17546 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:38:43 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:38:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:38:43 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2001 15:38:43.0788 (UTC) FILETIME=[17F4C0C0:01C0F4E8] OK guys... this is a rant... but I think its deserved. Before anyone criticizes anyone for doing "only" the speed limit on the Fairfax County Parkway... read this. The FCPW (and connecting Springfield-Franconia Parkway)may be one of the most dangerous roads built in the last 20 years. It runs less than a quarter mile from my house so I went to enough planning sessions to become a bit of an expert about it. Nobody should be doing more than the speed limit on this thing. I don't care what lane you are in or if some ass-wipe (cop or otherwise) is riding your ass. Its nuts. The Fairfax County Parkway is dangerous because it's a big, bad, nasty, political compromise. It should have been an interstate, but no one wants an interstate in their backyard anymore. It was built with county and private funds (unlike most every other road in VA), so it was built on the cheap. This is a road that has very spectacular (and deadly) accidents resulting from poorly marked stop lights, blind and poorly banked curves, stop lights on curves, stoplights at the bottom of steep inclines, short entry and exit ramps, and lots of cross traffic. Finally it was built to be over crowded almost from the year it opened. The 50 MPH speed limit (itself a compromise) is too fast in some places and too slow in others. People ride in the left lane to turn left and because there isn't enough room to pull into the right lane (someone's in the right lane all ready). Then add in the fact that the cops are all over this thing trying to get people to stop doing 60 - 75 mph or worse. I've seen nuts doing 75 mph on this road. Near Burke Lake at a stop light a few months ago some moron was doing "only" 60 when he rear-ended a car at a light killing everyone. This is NOT I-95, the B-W Parkway or even the G-W Parkway... this road is a glorified main street through residential and commercial areas, with a poor design and unpredictably heavy traffic. Between Pohick Road and Burke 50 MPH is too fast, but that is the speed limit. Being in the left lane and doing "only" 50 is par for the course. I'm tired of idiots who think they should rule this road riding my ass at 50 or 55 mph, no matter what lane I am in. I'd love it if they'd go kill themselves in another spectacular accident, but they'd most likely also take out someonee's wife and kids waiting at the next stoplight around the next blind curve. SLOW DOWN. BACK OFF!!!! THIS ISN'T A CLOSED TRACK. >From: MJordan666@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond >Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:23:27 EDT > > >I fully agree that anyone who > >drives at, let alone below the limit in the left lane without yielding > >is a complete asshole. > >Not to mention in violation of Virginia Code > >Michael J. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 11:45:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from kuku.excite.com (kuku-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.63]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EFjcO17726 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prickles ([199.172.153.88]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20010614154512.EXOF14474.kuku.excite.com@prickles> for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:45:12 -0700 Message-ID: <21108958.992533512467.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:45:12 -0700 (PDT) From: James Hoofnagle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Yet another lurker chiming in Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.172.7.9 Hey all! First, sorry Chuck & Mark, Icouldn't make it to the last bike nite because I was ........moving into my new house!! Yea! It's my first, American Dream, hook, line, & sinker, etc. Jordan, Anker, & Gimer flame war, love it. The list was really getting boring. I've been on this list going on 3 yrs. now and I'm really getting tired of the tire, oil, parking space/tix, etc threads. A little trouble is always fun. Besides Gimer is always at his best after someone or something has gotten under his skin. Group Rides, MOFO's vs. DC Cycles. I've had the privilage of riding with both groups. I've only been on the more recent (read last year) DC-C rides and got to miss out on the early carnage that seemed to happen. The main difference is that because DC-C is a more public group, and is easier to find, they will attract a more questionably skilled rider. By the same token this is also where those same riders will learn the skills that they need to ride safely, both in groups and alone. All in all there are riders in both groups that are good solid riders. I made the mistake last year of leading a "mid paced" ride. I won't do that again for a long time for the simple fact that I was intimiated by the riders right behind me. I knew they where far more skilled than me and so I rode fastere than I had planned tring to keep it "interesting" for them. In the end I just did excactly the opposite. I have ridden with the MOFO's on more than one occasion, and given my druthers, would prefer to ride with them again. The reason being that the groups are smaller, and overall they are a more skilled bunch. But in the end both group serve a particular purpose, and satisfy a particular need in in the motorcycling community. That all being said it's time for new tires. D205's? The GPz is 550lbs.+ and I frequently ride 2 up. The D207 were *really* nice but went away too fast. I've run MEz4's but they're a little hard for the farm road bombing runs. Ive given up trying to take weight off this pig and am saving my pennies for a superhawk /me crawls back under my rock _______________________ I'm riding a bicycle 330 miles from NC to DC to help raise AIDS awareness. You can Help! Ask me how James _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 11:56:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from popout-f.gsfc.nasa.gov (popout-f.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.254.137]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EFuHO17809 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from popd-f.gsfc.nasa.gov (pop700 [128.183.254.131]) by popout-f.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24656 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gsfc.nasa.gov (sunset.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.221.159]) by popd-f.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11601 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B28DDFE.899DBB40@gsfc.nasa.gov> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:53:35 -0400 From: Robert Rapp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: A funny/scary story from across the pond References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010613225918.00abf710@mail.9netave.com> <001201c0f48e$23b87b40$0100a8c0@therock> <3B28A49F.AD190281@XXXXXX> <3B28D4C0.1B75654D@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I feel the same way. It'd be nice if the DC/MD/VA region had the same traffic laws and 1 strict driver certification program (driving instructors included). Bob '97 VFR (4-sale) '89 HawkGT Dale Horstman wrote: > "William J. Huson" wrote: > > > I think you're lucky the cop didn't pull you over for a slow, annoying > > inspection of your vehicle and papers along with a lecture on VAs keep right > > except when passing philosophy. > > You know, on a semi-related note, it is really frustrating to see a > "Student Driver" vehicle hogging the left hand lane. Nothing like teaching > new drivers bad habits right from the get-go. :( > > Think I'd be guilty of road rage if I stopped the vehicle, and dragged > the instructor out of the passenger side window for a brief consultation? > Would a jury convict me? :) > > Horkster > > -- > Mandatory second line (CM tm) > > Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 27 of 99 done. > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer > '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi > '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 11:56:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from merctech.com (brickhouse1.iad1.sitesmith.com [63.94.228.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EFudO17819; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:56:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from biber (bergman@localhost) by merctech.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f5EFuW909195; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:56:32 -0400 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Dcc: Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: unsubscribe Reply-To: bergman@XXXXXX From: bergman@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:56:31 -0400 Message-ID: <9194.992534191@biber> Please remove me from the list. I'm on 3 other motorcycling lists. They all have their digressions and tangents, but at least those lists are mainly about motorcycling. This list seems to be mainly a bunch of people picking fights with each other, describing their latest crash, or ranting about politics. FYI, out of 60143 total e-mail messages (work and personal) I've received since Tue Aug 1 00:41:32 2000, dc-cycles consistently ranks the highest in volume of any list....with just over 9028 messages. I find it unbelievable and sad how little usable content, how little comraderie, and how few good spirits there are on the list. Frankly, the tone on the list has actively discouraged me from attending group rides and social events. I originally came from NYC, an area that's not known for it's hospitality or good riding. One of the things I miss about that area was a group called the "Sport Touring Motorcycle Club". Without having many rules or silly club requirements, I know that I could almost always get a good, fast, safe 200~400 mile ride on any Sunday. Maybe the more limited riding season and slimmer choice of roads forced people to work harder. I'm consistently surprised at the lack of regular, informal rides here, and at the destinations (Skyline, 211) that seem most popular. I'm consistently surprised at the number of reported crashes and tickets. I'm really sorry that otherwise intelligent people don't know when to take idiotic threads off the list. If anyone is interested in actually riding, doing motorcycle things, etc., feel free to contact me directly. Mark Bergman bergman@XXXXXX ---- Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 12:00:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5EG0QO17969 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7895 invoked by uid 1001); 14 Jun 2001 16:00:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20010614160024.7894.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com for [209.117.173.15] via web-mailer on Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:00:18 -0500 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:00:18 -0500 Subject: Re: pulling over student drivers > You know, on a semi-related note, it is really frustrating to see a > "Student Driver" vehicle hogging the left hand lane. Nothing like teaching > new drivers bad habits right from the get-go. :( I found it excrutiating funny that a student driver was yanked by the State Police last night somewhere on my way home. Probably wasn't going fast enough or something. Who knows. Still, what a way to start off. Maybe it was the instructor's idea to introduce them to 'Officer Friendly' in a benign environment. I wonder who got ticketed, the instructor or the student...Not something you see very often I dare say. -- "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, they should have voted to convict." _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 12:01:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EG1SO17989 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.15]) id QQktka29687 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:01:26 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQktka20774 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:00:36 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:00:32 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >I'm tired of idiots who think they should rule this road riding my >ass at 50 or 55 mph, no matter what lane I am in. I'd love it if >they'd go kill themselves in another spectacular accident, but >they'd most likely also take out someonee's wife and kids waiting at >the next stoplight around the next blind curve. I've taken FC Pkwy from Rt. 7 to Springfield, and I've never seen any section of road that had a corner so blind that you could't stop in time if you were paying attention. I think the people that are having accidents (regardless of speed) are probably the type of people the just shouldn't be driving. (Not that I advocate speeding or anything. Just relating my observations.) -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 12:15:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EGFRO18255 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-116-248.s248.tnt10.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.116.248] helo=palladio) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #6) id 15AZmG-0005EI-00 ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:15:24 -0400 Message-ID: <00a901c0f4ed$bef493a0$bb82fea9@palladio> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Doug Allis" , References: Subject: Re: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:16:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Doug, It's tangential to your post, but how is your case against the "lane sharing Lexus" shaping up? Paul in DC 95 VFR750F ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Allis > OK guys... this is a rant... but I think its deserved. > > Before anyone criticizes anyone for doing "only" the speed limit on the > Fairfax County Parkway... read this. The FCPW (and connecting > Springfield-Franconia Parkway)may be one of the most dangerous roads From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 12:21:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp015.mail.yahoo.com (smtp015.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.59]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5EGLPO18357 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24-163-103-196.sp.cox.rr.com (HELO ltanner) (24.163.103.196) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2001 16:21:23 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: A funny/scary story from across the pond Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:14:36 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Not one I was on. LindaT. Custom TankBags Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner Dale Horstman said: You know, on a semi-related note, it is really frustrating to see a "Student Driver" vehicle hogging the left hand lane. Nothing like teaching new drivers bad habits right from the get-go. :( Think I'd be guilty of road rage if I stopped the vehicle, and dragged the instructor out of the passenger side window for a brief consultation? Would a jury convict me? :) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 12:21:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f120.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.120]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EGLZO18367 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:09:37 -0700 Received: from 199.228.142.5 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:09:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [199.228.142.5] From: "Perry Coleman" To: MLynch@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Parking Tickets Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:09:37 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2001 16:09:37.0868 (UTC) FILETIME=[6912E8C0:01C0F4EC] Mike, Be careful with the metered spaces. I don't know how closely they check 'em, but a few years ago I got a $25.00 ticket at a metered MC space on I street, over near 20th. Basically, I was one quarter short and forgot to go back at lunchtime and top it off. Came out to find a $25.00 ticket stuck between my tank and seat. Meter drone got me somewhere between 5:00pm (when my time ran out) and 5:45pm (when I got back to the bike.) Perry >From: Michael Lynch >To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" >Subject: Parking Tickets >Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:29:48 -0400 > [snip] >There is metered MC parking over on the NE corner of Lafayette Park on the >corner of H and Vermont that is NEVER used, or checked (for some reason?). >I've also parked there with no money and gotten no tickets. I'm such a >scofflaw. > >Mike >'96 VFR _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 12:25:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5EGP6O18402 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown (HELO therock) (209.249.180.137) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2001 16:25:02 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <001a01c0f4ee$6095d5c0$0100a8c0@therock> From: "Chris Weaver" To: "Dexter Medley" , References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010614105631.00ac04e0@mail.9netave.com> Subject: Re: A funny/scary story from across the pond Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:23:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Fair enough. I accept heartily. Chris ----- Original Message ----- > Again, Chris, sorry for my error. > > -- Larry _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 12:44:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EGi8O18709 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:44:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-25.patriot.net [209.249.181.25]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5EGi3420432; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:44:04 -0400 Message-ID: <3B28E870.83395A80@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:38:08 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dexter Medley CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: A funny/scary story from across the pond References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010614075220.00abb950@mail.9netave.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dexter Medley wrote: > From: "William J. Huson (by way of Larry Larson )" > > >But arry's bumper tagging plan is more than a ticket - I believe that could > be > >escalated to a felony charge, and it's also more than rude - it's freaky > >dangerous road ragious behavior. > > Not a plan at all, just an oblique reference to the cop who killed the biker > recently in that well-publicized case -- where was it, South Carolina? -- by > simply crunching him against the center barrier. > > -- Larry > , Coulda been Tenn. There's a town down thar that has splatted two motorcyclists - one fatal - and one cage - also a fatal. - with run `em offa the road tactics. The town may have too disband their killer poo-leece department - seems their liability insurance was canceled and not one insurance company is willing to take them on. Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 12:52:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from es05.hosts.jhmi.edu (es05.hosts.jhmi.edu [162.129.224.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EGqsO18858 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (stevendipietro.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.91]) by es05.hosts.jhmi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09905 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:48:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B28EB56.FFBB1C4E@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:50:31 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: Md. laws and MC lighting Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi y'all, All this talk about VDOT statutes had me wondering if Maryland has it's laws posted in a user friendly fashion. After going up to Lake George, NY for Americade, and seeing a bunch of Gold Wings all tricked out with decorative lighting, I picked up a few for my Katana. Now I'm wondering about the legalities relating to auxiliary lighting. Anyone got a source? Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director National Marketing Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA 142 Circle Road Pasadena Md. 21122-6036 http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 13:11:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EHBDO19127 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:11:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200106141311.AA35455526@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "D.C.Cycles-L" , "Steven C. Di Pietro" Subject: Re: Md. laws and MC lighting X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" > All this talk about VDOT statutes had me wondering if Maryland >has it's laws posted in a user friendly fashion. After going up to Lake >George, NY for Americade, and seeing a bunch of Gold Wings all tricked >out with decorative lighting, I picked up a few for my Katana. Now I'm >wondering about the legalities relating to auxiliary lighting. Anyone >got a source? The Maryland gov't doesn't seem to have put any up (http://www.mec.state.md.us/) but Lexis-Nexis has: http://www.michie.com/resources1.html In general, anything not specifically allowed on motor vehicles is not allowed, including GoldWing fancy lighting. Police stops are basically discretionary at that point. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 13:12:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.106]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EHCgO19201 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 2.ae.165705fd (14379) for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:12:32 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:12:31 EDT Subject: Re: printed by VDOT(maybe:)) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f5EHChO19202 >14. It is traditional in Northern VA to honk your horn >at cars that donM-bM-^@M-^Yt move the instant the light changes. That's what I like about the south - the relaxed pace of life. In Noo Yawk City, they start honking as the opposing yellow starts to fade. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 13:18:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([63.218.228.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EHIlO19308 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture.wheatintl.com [209.249.185.69]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f5EHG6W04938 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:16:06 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010614131420.026c0070@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:16:36 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Open invitation to Skyline Drive this Saturday June 16 In-Reply-To: <20010614133501.9632.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010614085034.02f7eec0@mail.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I went all the way down to the NC border on the BRP last summer. I believe it was ~8 hours to that point. Little traffic, and I averaged 60 on the BRP. No deer ;-) I am anticipating that I may have to cut off the BRP to make it to Knoxville by 7:30. I am allowing 12 hours - leaving at 6:30am and stopping in Gatlinburg. 81 to Knoxville is 7.5 hours going 80. I'll do my best to make it ;-) At 09:35 AM 6/14/01, Tom Gimer wrote: > > I would like to go with you, but I probably shouldn't > > since I'll be gone > > all next weekend for the Hoot. Anyone else interested in > > riding down 6am > > Thursday? BRP all the way baby! Yeah! > >dude....that is a LOOOONNNNGGGG trip on the brp. it is >very tough to make good time on that road. averaging 60 >is, in my opinion, hauling arse. realistically, it's a >2-day trip to the end of it. the last time todd p. and i >tried this (en route to deals gap), we had to jump off and >slab for 100+ miles to meet our scheduled arrival time. >you should prepare a backup route or be ready to do so. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 13:32:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5EHWUO19580 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10283 invoked by uid 1001); 14 Jun 2001 17:32:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20010614173227.10275.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com for [209.117.173.15] via web-mailer on Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:32:26 -0500 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:32:26 -0500 Subject: RE: Wannabe Roadracer Since it came up, let me clarify. > Matt - are you saying you'd rent your race bike for a day? Or you're only selling shares? Both actually. If I figure say $400 for a share, and you use the bike 3 times in a season you're ahead of having rented it. share owners get precedence if there are scheduling conflicts. -- "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, they should have voted to convict." _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 13:36:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EHaeO19660 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.144]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GEX0004BKWRRF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:36:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GEX00J01KWMCC@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:36:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by dgismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GEX00I3NKWCW8@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:36:13 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:36:11 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: printed by VDOT(maybe:)) To: Trey Herb Cc: DC-Cycles Message-id: <3B28F60B.595B58CB@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010614150128.91119.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f5EHagO19661 Trey Herb wrote: > 14. It is traditional in Northern VA to honk your horn > at cars that donM-^Rt move the instant the light changes. On one of my recent trips to work, I was fuming at a left-lane hogger that was going at or below the speed limit on the Prince William Parkway. There were cars in the right lane that he was "attempting" to pass, so there was no way around this idiot. Anyway, we stopped at a light, and when it turned green, a big truck in front of him took maybe one-half second to react to the light. This yahoo was on his horn like he was in a hurry or something. Incredible! The sheer irony of it had me laughing the rest of the way to work... :) It was either laugh or cry at that point. Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 27 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 13:37:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13003.mail.yahoo.com (web13003.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5EHb7O19670 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010614173706.44120.qmail@web13003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.101.175.2] by web13003.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:37:06 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:37:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeremy Purdy Subject: RE: Squids To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >From: "Pflieger, Matthew M." >To: "'MJordan666@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Squids? >Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:30:56 -0400 > >4. Purchase as much leather as possible without >succumbing to actual >protection, i.e. chaps, vest, tassels Are you claiming that chaps offer no protection? Granted, they are worthless without a jacket to go along with them, but some of us are concerned with abrasion protection for our legs as well. That being the case, chaps are much easier to put on over dress pants on the way to work in the morning than full pants. Jeremy Purdy '00 Yamaha V-Star - Jeade'en From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 14:00:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14606.mail.yahoo.com (web14606.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5EI0AO20141 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:00:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010614180007.21999.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.9.247.2] by web14606.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:00:07 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:00:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Md. laws and MC lighting To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, "D.C.Cycles-L" , "Steven C. Di Pietro" In-Reply-To: <200106141311.AA35455526@mail.toward.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.findlaw.com is also a relatively good FREE source for state and federal statutes (they are NOT, however, kept as current as fee-based platforms like westlaw or lexis) --- Chris Norloff wrote: > ---------- Original Message > ---------------------------------- > From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" > > All this talk about VDOT statutes had me > wondering if Maryland > >has it's laws posted in a user friendly fashion. After > going up to Lake > >George, NY for Americade, and seeing a bunch of Gold > Wings all tricked > >out with decorative lighting, I picked up a few for my > Katana. Now I'm > >wondering about the legalities relating to auxiliary > lighting. Anyone > >got a source? > > The Maryland gov't doesn't seem to have put any up > (http://www.mec.state.md.us/) > but Lexis-Nexis has: > http://www.michie.com/resources1.html ===== tg check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 14:01:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f186.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.186]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EI1eO20172 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:01:33 -0700 Received: from 199.228.142.5 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:01:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [199.228.142.5] From: "Perry Coleman" To: purdyjeremy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Squids Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:01:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2001 18:01:33.0252 (UTC) FILETIME=[0BC13040:01C0F4FC] Jeremy, Chaps are great to protect your legs from stuff getting flung up, or to keep brush and brambles from scraping you when you ride your horse into a tight spot. As for motorcycling, they don't offer any protection to one of the more delicate, and protuberant, spots of anatomy - namely, your keister. As someone who has had the dubious pleasure of parting company with my bike at about 30-40 mph and sliding a ways on my tushie, I can attest to the value of having something other than just a pair of dress pants between my derriere and the highway. Had I been wearing chaps instead of armoured riding pants, I'd probably be sitting on skin grafts right now, instead of cute (I've been told,) smooth, all original butt skin. For cool weather riding, I use the Hein Gericke/First Gear overpants (armoured, waterproof, textile.) For warm weather riding, I use the First Gear summer sport tour overpants (perfed leather.) My next purchase, as soon as I lose an inch or so from the waist, is a pair of "dedicated" armoured, leather riding pants. The overpants are great for commuting, but I'd like something a little more serious for more aggressive backroad riding. Chaps do look cool, though. And I've heard that they're popular in certain bars and clubs around Dupont Circle. Not that there's anything wrong with that! ;^) Perry >From: Jeremy Purdy >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Squids >Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:37:06 -0700 (PDT) > > >From: "Pflieger, Matthew M." > >To: "'MJordan666@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: RE: Squids? > >Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:30:56 -0400 > > > >4. Purchase as much leather as possible without > >succumbing to actual > >protection, i.e. chaps, vest, tassels > >Are you claiming that chaps offer no protection? >Granted, they are worthless without a jacket to go >along with them, but some of us are concerned with >abrasion protection for our legs as well. That being >the case, chaps are much easier to put on over dress >pants on the way to work in the morning than full >pants. > >Jeremy Purdy >'00 Yamaha V-Star - Jeade'en > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 15:34:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5EJYEO21771 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17297 invoked by uid 1001); 14 Jun 2001 19:34:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20010614193412.17296.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com for [209.117.173.15] via web-mailer on Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:34:06 -0500 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:34:06 -0500 Subject: racing classification descriptions I've looked at the ccs and wera sites and can't find the defintions of all these bike classes. Where do they hide that information? -- "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, they should have voted to convict." _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 15:36:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.wheatintl.com (smtp.wheatintl.com [209.249.185.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EJa0O21851 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture.wheatintl.com [209.249.185.69]) by smtp.wheatintl.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f5EJZrQ23292 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:35:53 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010614152202.02606ec0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:35:50 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mich=E6l?= Troutman Subject: IT position in Reston (NO MOTO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f5EJa2O21852 I know a few DC Cycles folks are looking for IT work, so I thought I would broadcast this position here before we advertise it in the Post. I am looking for a junior systems administrator to take over some of my on-site clients (Potomac, MD and NW DC). 80% of your time would be spent in the office doing a wide variety of sysadmin stuff - client troubleshooting, NT server maintenance, some web work (maybe a LOT if you are good at it), etc. The office is fairly small (12 people) but the company has employees in offices in San Diego, Honolulu and Orlando - plus several contact sites including Quantico. Yes - I have had to go to these offices to work a few times - and you may too. The flight to Hawaii is verrrrry long. I need someone with an MCSE - Win2k preferred, some linux (I will instruct and get you to a semi-expert level if necessary), broad client and LAN troubleshooting experience and reliable transportation. Our clients are mostly Windoze - couple of Macs, and the majority of the servers are Linux (RH 7.1). We have a 5.5 Mb Internet connection in Reston, and a 100Gb fibre link is going in at the end of the summer. The position hasn't been officially released yet, so I can't guarantee a salary. I can tell you that mid to upper 30s is the starting point, with more for experience. Don't quote me - it isn't official. No cubes - you get your own window office, free parking, Kaiser, dental, 401k, etc. The company does communications engineering, and has been in business since 1987. Half the business does telephony - teleport work with Satellites and switch maintenance (Hawaii) for the government. My half does Internet services - with some crossover into the Satellite arena. If you - or any motorcycle riding friends - are interested, email me the resume. Our ad will probably go in the post next week. _________________________________________ MichM-fl J. Troutman 703-262-9100 Lead Network Engineer Wheat International Communications Corporation 1890 Preston White Drive Reston, Virginia 20191 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 15:43:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EJhEO21979 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:43:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 6.11b.5123c2 (4239); Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:43:08 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <11b.5123c2.285a6dcc@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:43:08 EDT Subject: Re: racing classification descriptions To: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 123 In a message dated 6/14/01 3:38:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pattonme@XXXXXX writes: > I've looked at the ccs and wera sites and can't find the defintions of all > these bike classes. Where do they hide that information? Uh...in the rulebook. Sometimes you need to be a lawyer to figure them out....but they are there. CCS http://www.formulausa.com/forms/2001SFXRuleBook1.pdf WERA http://www.formulausa.com/forms/2001SFXRuleBook1.pdf Any questions? Keener From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 16:05:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EK5oO22386 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.11]) id QQktkq25306 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:05:48 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQktkq16557 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:00:46 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010614193412.17296.qmail@theglobe.com> References: <20010614193412.17296.qmail@theglobe.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:00:41 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: racing classification descriptions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" WERA http://www.wera.com/pages/rulebook.htm CCS http://www.formulausa.com/forms/2001SFXRuleBook1.pdf AMA Ha! You've probably got a little ways to go before you're ready for that. :P -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 16:18:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10507.mail.yahoo.com (web10507.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5EKI0O22565 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010614201757.9226.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.82.178] by web10507.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:17:57 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:17:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond To: Chris Weaver , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <004901c0f4dc$c43712e0$0100a8c0@therock> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Chris Weaver wrote: > breaking the law previous to that. I have no respect > for hypocritical cops - > If they're going to enforce idiotic speed limits, > they deserve crap like > this. > > Chris You assume all cops enforce idiotic speed limits. You may not realize this but cops are people just like everyone else. They realize nobody does 55mph on 495. Most departments have a policy of NOT ticketing unless the violator is traveling at least 10 or 15 mph over the limit. So if you see a cop moving along at 65mph on I66, they are not being hypocritical, just realistic. Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 16:35:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EKZ6O22883 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-46.patriot.net [209.249.181.46]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5EKZ0409556; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:35:01 -0400 Message-ID: <3B291E93.9203B77E@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:29:07 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Withrow CC: Chris Weaver , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond References: <20010614201757.9226.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Withrow wrote: > --- Chris Weaver wrote: > > breaking the law previous to that. I have no respect > > for hypocritical cops - > > If they're going to enforce idiotic speed limits, > > they deserve crap like > > this. > > > > Chris > > You assume all cops enforce idiotic speed limits. You > may not realize this but cops are people just like > everyone else. They realize nobody does 55mph on 495. > Most departments have a policy of NOT ticketing unless > the violator is traveling at least 10 or 15 mph over > the limit. > > So if you see a cop moving along at 65mph on I66, they > are not being hypocritical, just realistic. Agreed. All my interstate tickets were in the 80s, save for one on 385 in Arlington for 70, but the trooper cut me a few MPH slack. I've blown radar setups at 10 over and not been stopped. Must be my innocent face... Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 16:35:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EKZdO22913 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 2.16.ded94f8 (25720) for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:35:26 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <16.ded94f8.285a7a0e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:35:26 EDT Subject: Re: Open invitation to Skyline Drive this Saturday June 16 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 6/14/2001 1:22:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > I am anticipating that I may have to cut off the BRP to make it to > Knoxville by 7:30. If this is a Been There Done That for you then ignore the following. Remember that the BRP ends in Cherokee, not Knoxville. You will then have to ride over the Smoky Mountains National Park (Slow in tourist season.) And drive quite a few miles after that to get to Knoxville. It is all nice riding, but slow. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 16:38:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14007.mail.yahoo.com (web14007.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.123]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5EKckO22934 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010614203843.26388.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web14007.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:38:43 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:38:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond To: Todd Withrow , Chris Weaver , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20010614201757.9226.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Todd Withrow wrote: > You assume all cops enforce idiotic speed limits. > Most departments have a policy of NOT ticketing > unless > the violator is traveling at least 10 or 15 mph over > the limit. > > So if you see a cop moving along at 65mph on I66, > they > are not being hypocritical, just realistic. BS, they're being hypocritical. The cops' job is to enforce the law. If they believed in what they are doing, they would do something about it. If they truly believe that the speed limit should be 60 or 65 or faster on these roads, they can, and should do something about it. I have NEVER heard of a cop requesting that someone be fined for exceeding the speed limit by 3 mph after being ticketed for 68 in a 55. I have never heard of an officer on the beltway stating something to the effect of the speed limit here is 55, but since the de facto speed is 70, you should not drive faster than that. You were going 79, that was 9 mph faster than you should have been going, Instead of writing you up for reckless driving, you're getting a ticket for 64 in a 55. The best I could get an officer to admit was that he wouldn't give me a ticket for 56 in a 55. When I asked how fast I would be allowed to go, he repeated that the speed limit is 55. That's hypocrisy. If they would ticket EVERYONE who goes 56 or faster, the speed limit would be raised, people wouldn't put up with that and would demand something be changed. The cops don't want the speed limit raised, they want to be allowed to choose who to ticket and let others go. The cop is the representative of government who enforces the law. Just as the soldier is the representative of the federal government when he is deployed overseas. Anything a soldier does reflects on the US government, anything the cop does or fails to do reflects on the government he represents. If he's going to be a cop then he DAMN WELL HAD BETTER OBEY THE LAW TO THE LETTER. If he isn't willing to do that then he needs to get a different job. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 16:48:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from m1.boston.juno.com (m1.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.64]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EKmwO23102 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"uoyE9tvlmSM0oHP0t1pnQ+HINBj/rTYxWw8xY58Sv++2LC/JSIxFTg=="> Received: (from tgroghan@XXXXXX) by m1.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id F7WZZFSM; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:46:09 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:40:14 -0400 Subject: Re: Open invitation to Skyline Drive this Saturday June 16--YO AARON! Message-ID: <20010614.164016.-390557.1.tgroghan@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,5-11,13-63 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Thad B Groghan Aaron, I am gonna ride out I-66 to 29, then take 211 over to Luray Caverns on Saturday. So I will be out in Fairfax about 9am. I just need to be at the caverns at 11am. Let me know if ya want to take that ride, or are going that direction. Thad E-mail me back: tgroghan@XXXXXX On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 06:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Tom Gimer writes: > --- Troutman wrote: > > At 10:10 PM 6/13/2001, Aaron Ward wrote: > > >Anyway, if anybody is interested, let me know. I live > > near the > > >Vienna/Fairfax metro station (last stop on the orange > > line, exit 62 on > > >I-66), and I can meet there in the motorcycle parking > > area before heading > > >down 66 to Front Royal. I would say tentatively to meet > > there at 9:30am, > > >but if that is too late/early I can follow up with > > another email having > > >the general consensus of what time to meet. > > > > 66 to Front Royal! Ouch! At least take 55 from > > Gainesville. Or head out > > the VA By-way from Warrenton and join Skyline at 211. > > no shit. and the author should also know that skyline > turns into the brp at ~charlottesville and becomes a much > more enjoyable road (less traffic, higher speed limit). > > > > > I would like to go with you, but I probably shouldn't > > since I'll be gone > > all next weekend for the Hoot. Anyone else interested in > > riding down 6am > > Thursday? BRP all the way baby! Yeah! > > dude....that is a LOOOONNNNGGGG trip on the brp. it is > very tough to make good time on that road. averaging 60 > is, in my opinion, hauling arse. realistically, it's a > 2-day trip to the end of it. the last time todd p. and i > tried this (en route to deals gap), we had to jump off and > slab for 100+ miles to meet our scheduled arrival time. > you should prepare a backup route or be ready to do so. > > > > > ===== > tg > > check out http://www.murphygimer.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. > http://buzz.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 16:51:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([63.218.228.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EKoxO23182 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:50:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture.wheatintl.com [209.249.185.69]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f5EKmFW05646; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:48:15 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010614164854.026946f0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:50:46 -0400 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Open invitation to Skyline Drive this Saturday June 16 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <16.ded94f8.285a7a0e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:35 PM 6/14/01, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >If this is a Been There Done That for you then ignore the following. >Remember that the BRP ends in Cherokee, not Knoxville. You will then have to >ride over the Smoky Mountains National Park (Slow in tourist season.) And >drive quite a few miles after that to get to Knoxville. It is all nice >riding, but slow. Actually - we are staying in Gatlinburg (in the Smokies) so that is my first stop to drop off luggage then head out to Knoxville. From Tom's advice, we are going to NOT try and make it all the way down the BRP in the 12 hours I have allotted. Doesn't sound possbile. We're going to superslab it just before the BRP dogs South to save some time. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 16:52:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EKqHO23192 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GEX003LKTYLWI@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:51:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GEX00L01TYCV1@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:51:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GEX00HNGTY6CH@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:51:42 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:51:40 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond To: "William J. Huson" Cc: Todd Withrow , Chris Weaver , DC Cycles Message-id: <3B2923DC.8BCB9222@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20010614201757.9226.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> <3B291E93.9203B77E@XXXXXX> "William J. Huson" wrote: > I've blown radar setups at 10 over and not been > stopped. Must be my innocent face... 10 over is a nice, comfortable pace to maintain on the interstate if you are trying to make time. Especially down in North Carolina, where the speed limits are marked at 70 mph in places. Wooowhee! :^) -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 27 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 16:57:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EKvIO23279 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 2.111.f737f7 (25720) for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:57:11 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <111.f737f7.285a7f27@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:57:11 EDT Subject: Re: Open invitation to Skyline Drive this Saturday June 16 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 6/14/2001 4:51:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > From Tom's advice, we are going to NOT try and make it all the way down > the BRP in the 12 hours I have allotted. It was good advice. ENJOY! To those who have not been there one more word... Be careful entering tunnels with a dark shield or sunglasses on, you will not be able to see a damn thing. Lots of fun in a curving tunnel. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 17:00:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.88]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EL0QO23366 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtpout.mac.com; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:59:52 -0700 (PDT) From: eternity23@XXXXXX Message-Id: <200106142059.NAA07173@smtpout.mac.com> Received: from asmtp01.mac.com ([10.13.10.65]) by smtp-relay02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GEXUBR00.HV1 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:59:51 -0700 Received: from localhost ([153.39.168.200]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp01 Jun 6 2001 13:16:42) with ESMTP id GEXUBR00.CQM for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:59:51 -0700 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:59:47 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v387) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.387) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: And I thought I had seen all the Farsides.... www.mulkkeir.nut/hupi/muut/interest.jpg From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 17:03:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5EL30O23377 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cp93425-a.mtgmry1.md.home.com (HELO cp93425a) (65.14.174.34) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2001 21:02:56 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "rydin" To: Subject: RE: Squids Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:00:53 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c0f52e$3f396280$22ae0e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 It's simple really - in motorcycle accidents it has been shown, time and time again (please don't make me look this up but I've seen it written and "performed") that rider's legs usually injure in the ass and/or knees area. That is why many riderware that is honed towards safety rather than style is often strengthened in those areas. Look at race equipment. Look at Draggin Jeans (and similar) - these have Kevlar only in the ass and knee areas. Niv BMW F650ST >From: Jeremy Purdy >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Squids >Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:37:06 -0700 (PDT) > > >From: "Pflieger, Matthew M." > >To: "'MJordan666@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: RE: Squids? > >Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:30:56 -0400 > > > >4. Purchase as much leather as possible without > >succumbing to actual > >protection, i.e. chaps, vest, tassels > >Are you claiming that chaps offer no protection? >Granted, they are worthless without a jacket to go >along with them, but some of us are concerned with >abrasion protection for our legs as well. That being >the case, chaps are much easier to put on over dress >pants on the way to work in the morning than full >pants. > >Jeremy Purdy >'00 Yamaha V-Star - Jeade'en _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 17:03:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f123.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.123]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EL3HO23388 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:03:09 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:03:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: pawilson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:03:09 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2001 21:03:09.0522 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A700B20:01C0F515] She convicted of "improper driving", and had to pay a $200.00 fine plus "court costs". She got what she deserved. >From: "Paul Wilson" >To: "Doug Allis" , >Subject: Re: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond >Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:16:59 -0400 > >Doug, > >It's tangential to your post, but how is your case against the "lane >sharing >Lexus" shaping up? > >Paul in DC >95 VFR750F >----- Original Message ----- >From: Doug Allis > > > OK guys... this is a rant... but I think its deserved. > > > > Before anyone criticizes anyone for doing "only" the speed limit on the > > Fairfax County Parkway... read this. The FCPW (and connecting > > Springfield-Franconia Parkway)may be one of the most dangerous roads > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 17:05:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10503.mail.yahoo.com (web10503.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.153]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5EL5BO23467 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010614210509.83272.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.82.178] by web10503.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:05:09 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:05:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond To: "William J. Huson" Cc: Chris Weaver , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <3B291E93.9203B77E@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > > Agreed. All my interstate tickets were in the 80s, > save for one on 385 in Arlington for 70, > but the trooper cut me a few MPH slack. I've blown > radar setups at 10 over and not been > stopped. Must be my innocent face... > > Bill > The caveat is a school zone. You damn well better slow down for the young ones. No slack will be cut there. Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 17:06:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9604.mail.yahoo.com (web9604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5EL6iO23477 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010614210642.23732.qmail@web9604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.11.149.33] by web9604.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:06:42 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:06:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannette Subject: RE: Squids To: rydin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000501c0f52e$3f396280$22ae0e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jeremy, you might want to check out First Gear's sport touring pants. They unzip all the way up and you can put them on over your pants and shoes. I love them! :-) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > >From: Jeremy Purdy > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: RE: Squids > >Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:37:06 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Are you claiming that chaps offer no protection? > >Granted, they are worthless without a jacket to go > >along with them, but some of us are concerned with > >abrasion protection for our legs as well. That > being > >the case, chaps are much easier to put on over > dress > >pants on the way to work in the morning than full > >pants. > > > >Jeremy Purdy > >'00 Yamaha V-Star - Jeade'en > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 17:13:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5ELDTO23595 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cp93425-a.mtgmry1.md.home.com (HELO cp93425a) (65.14.174.34) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2001 21:13:26 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "rydin" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:11:23 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c0f52f$b6dd5340$22ae0e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20010614203843.26388.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 It's still hypocritical. When you're in a job to enforce laws, you must first obey these laws yourself. Like Leon said - as you describe it, cops make a choice on who to pull over, and it isn't based solely on the offense. BTW - I don't have a blind hatred of cops, just a frustration with some of the things they get away with. I've seen cops drive 85 mph on 270 and 95. As far as I understand the law - that's illegal unless they have their police lights on. I've toyed with the idea of fighting a speeding ticket by following that cop around with a calibrated speedo and video camera to show the court and claim that he/she has no business enforcing laws they don't/can't follow. Remember - in court its the cop's word against yours: They will claim they clocked you at a certain speed. If they don't follow the law why should their word be any better than yours ? Niv BMW F650ST --- Todd Withrow wrote: > You assume all cops enforce idiotic speed limits. > Most departments have a policy of NOT ticketing > unless > the violator is traveling at least 10 or 15 mph over > the limit. > > So if you see a cop moving along at 65mph on I66, > they > are not being hypocritical, just realistic. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 17:13:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10502.mail.yahoo.com (web10502.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.152]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5ELDiO23605 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010614211342.22472.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.82.178] by web10502.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:13:42 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:13:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond To: Leon Begeman , Chris Weaver , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20010614203843.26388.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Leon Begeman wrote: > The cop is the representative of government who > enforces the law. Just as the soldier is the > representative of the federal government when he is > deployed overseas. Anything a soldier does reflects > on the US government, anything the cop does or fails > to do reflects on the government he represents. If > he's going to be a cop then he DAMN WELL HAD BETTER > OBEY THE LAW TO THE LETTER. If he isn't willing to > do > that then he needs to get a different job. > > Leon. > Hey nice rant. Feel better? Guess what? The letter of the law states that I have "discretion". I don't have to ticket you for 56 in a 55. That is stupid. While I agree that the limits are too low, I am not going to be a one man citizen advocacy group for speed limit adjustment by pissing off citizens and my bosses by writing bullshit tickets. If you want me to enforce the LETTER of the law, and not the SPIRIT, then give me your address. I gurantee I can spot several violation on your car without it even moving. I find it incredible that you WANT officers to be dicks instead of realistic. There is a real easy way to ensure that officers enforce the letter of the law with you. Get a bumper sticker that says "FUCK COPS". Then you will be real happy when you get ticketed for 36 in a 35. Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 17:14:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5ELDxO23615 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user71.anent.com [208.195.115.71] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA01028 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:10:53 -0400 Message-ID: <00ab01c0f516$fb3df080$4773c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: References: <200106142059.NAA07173@smtpout.mac.com> Subject: Re: And I thought I had seen all the Farsides.... Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:14:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Dead link. ----- Original Message ----- From: > www.mulkkeir.nut/hupi/muut/interest.jpg From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 17:18:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14602.mail.yahoo.com (web14602.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.82]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5ELIIO23694 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010614211808.93646.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.9.247.2] by web14602.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:18:08 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:18:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond To: Doug Allis , pawilson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "improper driving" is what every individual charged with "reckless driving" wants to be convicted of (in other words, clients and lawyers are aiming for a reduction to "improper" or a dismissal). it's a very vague charge, carrying little weight with insurance companies or the point system. as far as the fine....she did get at least, if not more, than she "deserved." $200 is significantly more than most people convicted of that offense pay (usually ~$50 plus costs). and, if i remember correctly, that is the starting point for a reckless driving fine. was she represented by counsel? honest question here: was it worth the trouble? --- Doug Allis wrote: > She convicted of "improper driving", and had to pay a > $200.00 fine plus "court costs". She got what she > deserved. > > > >From: "Paul Wilson" > >To: "Doug Allis" , > > >Subject: Re: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story > from across the pond > >Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:16:59 -0400 > > > >Doug, > > > >It's tangential to your post, but how is your case > against the "lane >sharing Lexus" shaping up? ===== tg check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 17:19:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f295.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.30.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5ELJgO23714 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:19:35 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:19:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:19:34 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2001 21:19:35.0023 (UTC) FILETIME=[B5D78FF0:01C0F517] >I've taken FC Pkwy from Rt. 7 to Springfield, and I've never seen any >section of road that had a corner so blind that you could't stop in >time if you were paying attention. I think the people that are having >accidents (regardless of speed) are probably the type of people the >just shouldn't be driving. (Not that I advocate speeding or anything. >Just relating my observations.) I agree, anyone with a drivers license SHOULD be paying enough attention to avoid problems, but most people are not really paying attention and they are the ones going 65 MPH. Beware the the light at Burke Lake (or (Center) Parkway is a notorious problem esp at night. The intersection with Rt 29 had to be "redesigned" twice. The northbound curve just north of 123 is insufficently banked. Pay attention to the section between the South Run Rec Center and Pohick/Hoose Rd: the South Run and Huntsman Blvd lights are hidden just enough so that if you are NOT paying attentio you can get into trouble and several intersections are not controled in any way -- cars are pushing the envelope turing left coming out of neighborhoods. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 17:23:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14607.mail.yahoo.com (web14607.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.87]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5ELNaO23803 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010614212334.89800.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.9.247.2] by web14607.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:23:34 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:23:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond To: Todd Withrow , Leon Begeman , Chris Weaver , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20010614211342.22472.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Todd Withrow wrote: > > --- Leon Begeman wrote: > > The cop is the representative of government who > > enforces the law. Just as the soldier is the > > representative of the federal government when he is > > deployed overseas. Anything a soldier does reflects > > on the US government, anything the cop does or fails > > to do reflects on the government he represents. If > > he's going to be a cop then he DAMN WELL HAD BETTER > > OBEY THE LAW TO THE LETTER. If he isn't willing to > > do > > that then he needs to get a different job. > > > > Leon. > > > > Hey nice rant. Feel better? Guess what? The letter of > the law states that I have "discretion". I don't have > to ticket you for 56 in a 55. That is stupid. While I > agree that the limits are too low, I am not going to > be a one man citizen advocacy group for speed limit > adjustment by pissing off citizens and my bosses by > writing bullshit tickets. If you want me to enforce > the LETTER of the law, and not the SPIRIT, then give > me your address. I gurantee I can spot several > violation on your car without it even moving. are you a betting man? i've got $50 that says leon owns no car for you to inspect. he is one hard-core motorcyclist. i am thankful that most police officers enforce the spirit of the law as opposed to the letter of it. however, i have SERIOUS problems with the discretion given to the police under many statutes. reckless driving in virginia comes immediately to mind. ===== tg check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 17:26:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14604.mail.yahoo.com (web14604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5ELQwO23817 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010614212650.62153.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.9.247.2] by web14604.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:26:50 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:26:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond To: rydin , "'DC Cycles'" In-Reply-To: <000601c0f52f$b6dd5340$22ae0e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- rydin wrote: > I've toyed with the idea of fighting a speeding ticket by > following that cop > around with a calibrated speedo and video camera to show > the court and > claim that he/she has no business enforcing laws they > don't/can't follow. > Remember - in court its the cop's word against yours: > They will claim they > clocked you at a certain speed. If they don't follow the > law why should > their word be any better than yours ? "objection: relevance." "sustained." ===== tg check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 17:28:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10508.mail.yahoo.com (web10508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.158]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5ELS8O23891 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010614212806.11688.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.82.178] by web10508.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:28:06 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:28:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: RE: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond To: rydin , "'DC Cycles'" In-Reply-To: <000601c0f52f$b6dd5340$22ae0e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- rydin wrote: > It's still hypocritical. When you're in a job to > enforce laws, you must > first obey these laws yourself. Like Leon said - as > you describe it, cops > make a choice on who to pull over, and it isn't > based solely on the offense. > BTW - I don't have a blind hatred of cops, just a > frustration with some of > the things they get away with. > I've seen cops drive 85 mph on 270 and 95. As far as > I understand the law - > that's illegal unless they have their police lights > on. > > I've toyed with the idea of fighting a speeding > ticket by following that cop > around with a calibrated speedo and video camera to > show the court and > claim that he/she has no business enforcing laws > they don't/can't follow. > Remember - in court its the cop's word against > yours: They will claim they > clocked you at a certain speed. If they don't follow > the law why should > their word be any better than yours ? > > Niv > BMW F650ST > I agree that an officer should not be speeding. Speeding to me is exceeding the flow of traffic. I have seen a DOD police van speeding down 495 weaving in and out. Had I been in a cruiser, I would have pulled him over. Cops don't have a license to speed. You are right that some do. There is no excuse to abuse the power that a marked car gives you just to get home or to a meal faster. However, don't assume that every cruiser moving above the speed limit without lights is doing so for personal reasons. In some situations, you can respond to a call faster without lights and sirens. Many people freak out and stop right in front of you when your emergency equipment is activated. When you have light traffic, that slows you down. You are better off just moving through the traffic without equipment. If it is your life on the line, I am sure you want us there quickly. Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 17:30:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10502.mail.yahoo.com (web10502.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.152]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5ELUQO23972 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010614213025.25305.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.82.178] by web10502.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:30:25 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:30:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond To: Tom Gimer , Leon Begeman , Chris Weaver , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20010614212334.89800.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > are you a betting man? i've got $50 that says leon > owns no > car for you to inspect. he is one hard-core > motorcyclist. > > i am thankful that most police officers enforce the > spirit > of the law as opposed to the letter of it. however, > i have > SERIOUS problems with the discretion given to the > police > under many statutes. reckless driving in virginia > comes > immediately to mind. > > > > > > ===== > tg I can understand that. Drunk in Public is another catch all charge. Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 17:37:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f67.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5ELb4O24091 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:36:57 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:36:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:36:57 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2001 21:36:57.0758 (UTC) FILETIME=[235C4BE0:01C0F51A] >"improper driving" is what every individual charged with >"reckless driving" wants to be convicted of (in other >words, clients and lawyers are aiming for a reduction to >"improper" or a dismissal). it's a very vague charge, >carrying little weight with insurance companies or the >point system. as far as the fine....she did get at least, >if not more, than she "deserved." $200 is significantly >more than most people convicted of that offense pay >(usually ~$50 plus costs). and, if i remember correctly, >that is the starting point for a reckless driving fine. >was she represented by counsel? > No she was not. She was clueless. In fact she showed up late and almost got herself a "failure to appear" conviction. The judge had even pronounced sentence (30 days) when the court room door opened up and she rushed in all-in-a-huff. >honest question here: was it worth the trouble? > OH YES! It all made for a very amusing morning. She got herself quite a lecture from the judge, she had to part with over $200.00, was obviously losing pay for every minute we were there (almost 4 hours), and had to pay for parking! She was not a happy camper. I got to watch her stupid dumb ass face when she realized that the judge might actually take her license (deer in headlights -- lookout!). I got the morning off with pay. I didn't have to pay for parking because I was a witness to a crime. I highly recommend the procedure to anyone who gets run off the road. Revenge was fun. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 17:47:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5ELlQO24267 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.15]) id QQktkx18130 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:47:20 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQktkx28437 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:47:13 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00ab01c0f516$fb3df080$4773c3d0@bruce> References: <200106142059.NAA07173@smtpout.mac.com> <00ab01c0f516$fb3df080$4773c3d0@bruce> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:47:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: And I thought I had seen all the Farsides.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Dead link. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: > > > > www.mulkkeir.nut/hupi/muut/interest.jpg Oops....that should be www.mulkkeri.net/hupi/muut/interest.jpg Damn, I cannot type today. -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 18:06:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5EM6cO24606 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cp93425-a.mtgmry1.md.home.com (HELO cp93425a) (65.14.174.34) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2001 22:06:36 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "rydin" To: "dc-cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: FW: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:04:32 -0700 Message-ID: <001001c0f537$23c519a0$22ae0e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Oops - meant to send this to the list (Sean must think I'm a rookie now...) -----Original Message----- From: rydin [mailto:rydin@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 5:44 PM To: 'Tom Gimer' Subject: RE: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond Hey Tom - I never said it would work - hence the "toying". In court this seems irrelevant, to me this is simple logic: The basic premise seems usually that the cop's word is better than mine. Maybe it's because of the job, the badge, maybe the screening that goes with it, but most probably because it's easier for the system to work this way. I believe that for the cop's word to have more weight than mine, he needs to be held to the standards he's hired to uphold. I believe in giving police discretion: Not EVERYTHING can be predicted and phrased in to law, not to mention having officers trying to memorize all this (though I do see abuses of this discretion). However, the officer needs to be on the "holier" side of the law - if that is what he/she does, then they're not hypocrites. The thing is - I hate hypocrisy ! Niv BMW F650ST -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 2:27 PM To: rydin; 'DC Cycles' Subject: RE: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond --- rydin wrote: > I've toyed with the idea of fighting a speeding ticket by > following that cop > around with a calibrated speedo and video camera to show > the court and > claim that he/she has no business enforcing laws they > don't/can't follow. > Remember - in court its the cop's word against yours: > They will claim they > clocked you at a certain speed. If they don't follow the > law why should > their word be any better than yours ? "objection: relevance." "sustained." ===== tg check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 18:08:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EM8uO24621 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Smurfslayer (p10.a7.du.radix.net [207.192.132.10]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA05086 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:08:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave Yates" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:11:03 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c0f51f$14cf5fe0$0a84c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000601c0f52f$b6dd5340$22ae0e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 It's still hypocritical. When you're in a job to enforce laws, you must first obey these laws yourself. Like Leon said - as you describe it, cops make a choice on who to pull over, and it isn't based solely on the offense. BTW - I don't have a blind hatred of cops, just a frustration with some of the things they get away with. I've seen cops drive 85 mph on 270 and 95. As far as I understand the law - that's illegal unless they have their police lights on. Good point, but it's a double edged sword. On one hand, I'm glad they're not screwing with me & holding beltway traffic to 55. OTOH, it IS a violation of law that no jurisdiction will prosecute for a cop to speed without lights & siren (when not on an emergency call that requires stealth). I've toyed with the idea of fighting a speeding ticket by following that cop around with a calibrated speedo and video camera to show the court and claim that he/she has no business enforcing laws they don't/can't follow. Cops get real nervous and highly pissed when you do that. I tailed (what I believe to be) an FBI agent after he tailgated me at 90, then passed me. When we got stopped at the Accokeek light, I invited him to step outside, he declined. I've also had them pull onto the shoulder & try to get in behind me. That happened once, the 2nd time, when they did that, I got hard on the brakes, blocking him on the shoulder & leaving him there in rush hour traffic. I guess he couldn't get though all that traffic to catch back up before I exited... oh well. Remember - in court its the cop's word against yours: They will claim they clocked you at a certain speed. If they don't follow the law why should their word be any better than yours ? Don't screw with them on the street, it's pointless, they're armed, have the State on their side, have bottomless lawyer funds. If you see one truly behaving like a F*ckwit, get the date, time, car # and plate. Call into the station and report them. You can file a paper complaint, but regardless, they can't be issued tickets unless they've p.o.'d another jurisdiction (i.e PG co. in Fairfax, for shooting the college kid). Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' '97 Cobra #5148 http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 18:09:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EM9kO24631 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GEX00K05XK33F@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:09:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GEX00L01XK2Y0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:09:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GEX00H6RXJPS7@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:09:25 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:09:23 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond To: Doug Allis Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3B293613.2F28C35E@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: Doug Allis wrote: > > >honest question here: was it worth the trouble? > > > OH YES! It all made for a very amusing morning. She got herself quite a > lecture from the judge, she had to part with over $200.00, was obviously > losing pay for every minute we were there (almost 4 hours), and had to pay > for parking! She was not a happy camper. > > I got to watch her stupid dumb ass face when she realized that the judge > might actually take her license (deer in headlights -- lookout!). I got the > morning off with pay. I didn't have to pay for parking because I was a > witness to a crime. I highly recommend the procedure to anyone who gets run > off the road. Revenge was fun. Good for you sticking it to her like that. Bet it was sweet. Maybe she even learned something. Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 27 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 18:13:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EMDpO24731 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Smurfslayer (p10.a7.du.radix.net [207.192.132.10]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA07552; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:13:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave Yates" To: "'Todd Withrow'" , "'Leon Begeman'" , "'Chris Weaver'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:16:25 -0400 Message-ID: <000101c0f51f$bc868e20$0a84c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20010614211342.22472.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Hey nice rant. Feel better? Guess what? The letter of the law states that I have "discretion". Where is that? (where does it say you have discretion, that is) ? I don't have to ticket you for 56 in a 55. That is stupid. While I agree that the limits are too low, I am not going to be a one man citizen advocacy group for speed limit adjustment by pissing off citizens and my bosses by writing bullshit tickets. If you want me to enforce the LETTER of the law, and not the SPIRIT, then give me your address. I gurantee I can spot several violation on your car without it even moving. Agreed. Traffic code is ridiculous in it's entirety. NOBODY, not even a cop, can go 10 miles on any public street without violating a traffic law. It's not really the cop's fault, it's the voter's fault. Check out my latest Rant on my webpage. Each & every one of us could've lobbied for more reasonable speed limits, but I venture to say, not one of us has. So the legislators, wanting to look busy, and like they're 'making it safe for the children', pass ridiculous feel good laws, with nary a peep from us. So, rather than piss your words away here, join the NMA, and start writing your legislators. It worked for me, just ask Mrs. Clark at the Alexandria DMV - if she's still there... Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' '97 Cobra #5148 http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 18:30:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EMUWO25028 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-46.patriot.net [209.249.181.46]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5EMUR400779; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:30:27 -0400 Message-ID: <3B2939A1.5D739C9C@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:24:33 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Withrow CC: Chris Weaver , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond References: <20010614210509.83272.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Withrow wrote: > --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > > > > Agreed. All my interstate tickets were in the 80s, > > save for one on 385 in Arlington for 70, > > but the trooper cut me a few MPH slack. I've blown > > radar setups at 10 over and not been > > stopped. Must be my innocent face... > > > > Bill > > > > The caveat is a school zone. You damn well better slow > down for the young ones. No slack will be cut there. > > Todd W. Actually, in town I observe speed limits. There's kids everywhere, and a lot of pedestrians too. School zones is one place I'd like to have a paintball cannon to plaster the blatant speeders. Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 18:42:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.intermedia.net (mail2.intermedia.net [206.40.48.152]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EMgfO25204 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nevermore (unverified [208.59.115.132]) by mail2.intermedia.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.4) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:41:27 -0700 From: "Jay Hariani" To: Subject: FS: 2000 Suzuki Hayabusa - 1600 miles Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:42:43 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c0f523$53824280$84733bd0@nevermore> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C0F501.CC753660" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C0F501.CC753660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm parting with my 2000 busa. It has 1600 miles, never been down, garaged, great condition. Blue and silver color scheme. I'm located in NW DC, contact me if you are interested in taking a look. This bike has had all scheduled maintenance completed. Email: j@XXXXXX Phone: 202-491-3071 -jay ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C0F501.CC753660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C0F501.CC753660-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 18:50:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5EMooO25355 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Smurfslayer (p62.a4.du.radix.net [207.192.130.190]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA26980 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:50:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave Yates" To: "'dc-cycles \(E-mail\)'" Subject: RE: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:50:57 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c0f524$eff4cec0$be82c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001001c0f537$23c519a0$22ae0e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Hey Tom - I never said it would work - hence the "toying". In court this seems irrelevant, to me this is simple logic: The basic premise seems usually that the cop's word is better than mine. That's because people that go to traffic court are 99% of the time, not sufficiently prepared. Cops in court are witnesses, and should NOT be allowed to enter evidence. They should be allowed to testify and that's it. IF you let them without objection, you have no grounds for appeal. Further, most cops are basically prepared, but not fully for a lawyer to cross them. If you represent yourself, there are all kinds of things that can get you off, one of the easiest is making the prosecution 'rest' after the cop is done lying, but hasn't said 'the defendant was driving or whatever' IOW failing to properly identify the operator of the vehicle. Cops are also given pseudo 'expert witness' status, which is why their word is 'better'. Most people don't challenge or object when a cop on the witness stand draw conclusion or stretches the truth. Maybe it's because of the job, the badge, maybe the screening that goes with it, but most probably because it's easier for the system to work this way. They only want your money. If it weren't about the money, all traffic infractions would involve jail time or community service, not money. I believe that for the cop's word to have more weight than mine, he needs to be held to the standards he's hired to uphold. Only the defendant can do that, and if you let all the cop's lies err... testimony to go unchallenged, well, his / her word is worth more. Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' '97 Cobra #5148 http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 20:07:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5F07XO26584 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 6.128.d4f7d (7944); Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:07:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <128.d4f7d.285aabb1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:07:13 EDT Subject: Re: racing classification descriptions To: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 139 In a message dated 6/14/01 3:38:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pattonme@XXXXXX writes: << "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, they should have voted to convict." >> You know, I haven't mentioned it before, but tonight I was disturbed by the political note above. I don't believe subscribers to a motorcycle message board should be bombarded by political propoganda from the right, center or left. We get enough of that in the media. I believe there are plenty of political message boards to subscribe to. Thanks, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 22:03:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f233.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.233]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5F23aO28373 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:52:17 -0700 Received: from 38.38.100.150 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 01:52:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [38.38.100.150] From: "Aaron Ward" To: pawilson@XXXXXX, tgroghan@XXXXXX, cliffzig@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Open invitation to Skyline Drive: Sat, 6/16 @ 9am Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:52:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2001 01:52:17.0297 (UTC) FILETIME=[CE847010:01C0F53D] Hello Everyone, Cliff was the first to respond to my free entrance to Skyline offer, so he gets first dibs. I hope everyone can show up this Saturday. Thad said (which I think is a good plan): --- I will be heading out to Luray Caverns via 66/29/211, that would be cool to have someone else to ride out there with. I need to be at the caverns by 11am. So I figure I'll be passing Fairfax around 9am or so. --- Seeing as Cliff wants to get back early also, I was thinking that everyone who is planning to ride out to Skyline this Saturday with me could meet at the motorcycle parking area (in the kiss and ride loop) of the Vienna metro station, right off exit 62 of I-66 (the North exit) at 9am. So far the people who have showed interest are: Cliff Zigmond, Paul Wilson, Thad Groghan, and Steve Price. As Thad is not riding to Skyline (going to caverns), we could still ride along his route on the way to Skyline, then split off and head to Skyline. I have only ridden once before to Skyline, and I used 66 on the way there and the way back. The 66-29-211 route is new to me, although I remember exiting Skyline at 211 to eat lunch, then getting back on Skyline and heading back up to 66. Supposedly the 211 route is much nicer. Plus, it's good to get lost sometimes... And to everyone else on DC Cycles, you are more than welcome to join up. Aaron S. Ward CBR900RR > >Hi everyone, > >I had the great pleasure of riding on Skyline Drive last Sunday. Since my >weekly admission pass is still valid through Saturday, I plan on heading up >there to enjoy it again. > >My pass is valid for 2 people, and since the guy I went with last time is >not going, I can get one other person in for free (avoid the $5 entry fee). >Whoever responds first via email will get the freebie. > >I don't care if you are a squid or a pro-racer, I just would rather have >some company to ride down there and eat lunch etc. I don't know what time >is best to avoid traffic, but my guess is morning is better than afternoon? >I really enjoy the group-riding atmosphere, and I'm not looking for any >racing, but a nice relaxed pace with maybe a few brisk corners but nothing >serious (like doing the 20mph turns at, oh, 30mph?) > >Anyway, if anybody is interested, let me know. I live near the >Vienna/Fairfax metro station (last stop on the orange line, exit 62 on >I-66), and I can meet there in the motorcycle parking area before heading >down 66 to Front Royal. I would say tentatively to meet there at 9:30am, >but if that is too late/early I can follow up with another email having the >general consensus of what time to meet. > >Also, if there is already a planned group ride being put on by anyone else, >that is going to be near skyline, I would like to find out about it and go >on that ride and end up on Skyline. > >Hope to meet some riders who are interested in riding Skyline Drive and >possibly eating lunch etc. > >Aaron S. Ward >CBR900RR _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 22:08:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6ve.mailsrvcs.net (smtp6vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.27]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5F283O28479 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltrgyst.tennisbooks.com (adsl-151-200-19-35.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.19.35]) by smtp6ve.mailsrvcs.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA32091336 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 02:07:55 GMT Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010614214742.00aa4ba0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:57:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: racing classification descriptions In-Reply-To: <128.d4f7d.285aabb1@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Ummm, Fred, it's an example of humor. Even my life-long Democrat ex-congressional press secretary fiancee recognized it as such and laughed. Personally, I haven't yet decided which party it's meant to favor, if either. Actually, given some of the attitudes expressed in this mailing list and Usenet motorcycle groups lately, the more politically involved motorcyclists get, the better, or motorcycling will become extinct in my lifetime. One of my friends, who was the lobbyist for the AMA, happens to share that view. --Larry '01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco '84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike) '01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small emergency backup bike) At 08:07 PM 6/14/01, Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 6/14/01 3:38:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >pattonme@XXXXXX writes: > ><< > "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, > they should have voted to convict." > >> > >You know, I haven't mentioned it before, but tonight I was disturbed by the >political note above. I don't believe subscribers to a motorcycle message >board should be bombarded by political propoganda from the right, center or >left. We get enough of that in the media. I believe there are plenty of >political message boards to subscribe to. > >Thanks, > >Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 22:08:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from angelfire.com (xyzzyz.whowhere.com [209.1.236.99]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5F28ZO28489 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by angelfire.com; Thu Jun 14 19:08:13 2001 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:08:13 -0400 From: "BR VMI-1996" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: vmi-1996@XXXXXX X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: 1991 DR 350 Engine needed X-Sender-Ip: 63.25.85.219 Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Went riding today and the dang engine on my '91 DR 350... well the crank went through the front of the case. Oil shot out all over the place. Needless to say I need a new lower end and don't have a clue where to start. My nieghbor said something about some of the junk yards in Maryland, but I wanted your opinions first. Need it pretty quick so I don't get bummed out and quit riding off road. Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 22:10:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe65.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.81]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5F2AeO28502 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:58:33 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [65.9.63.233] From: "Cliff Zigmond" To: References: <128.d4f7d.285aabb1@aol.com> Subject: Re: racing classification descriptions Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:00:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2001 01:58:33.0573 (UTC) FILETIME=[AECB9950:01C0F53E] > "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, > they should have voted to convict." > >> > > You know, I haven't mentioned it before, but tonight I was disturbed by the > political note above. I don't believe subscribers to a motorcycle message > board should be bombarded by political propoganda from the right, center or > left. We get enough of that in the media. I believe there are plenty of > political message boards to subscribe to. > > Thanks, > > Fred Oh for the love of Pete! Don't read it if you don't like it. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 22:25:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5F2PuO28731 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id i.8d.7fa39f9 (4188); Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:25:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8d.7fa39f9.285acc1f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:25:35 EDT Subject: Re: racing classification descriptions To: cliffzig@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 139 In a message dated 6/14/01 10:12:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cliffzig@XXXXXX writes: << Oh for the love of Pete! Don't read it if you don't like it. >> How do you avoid reading it without deleting the message before reading? Does AOL have a political message filter? "What's the only difference between a Fascist and a Republican? A Fascist believes in universal health care." From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 14 22:30:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10504.mail.yahoo.com (web10504.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.154]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5F2UvO28877 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010615023053.11900.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.147.78.216] by web10504.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:30:53 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:30:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Suzookus Maximus Subject: Re: Wannabe Roadracer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>How about renting a race bike? $150 to $200 a day. Or if you want to do this more often, buy a fractional share in the bike for the season like you do airplanes.<< Erion Racing actually does this. I saw a feature on Speed Vision. I called them up to see how much it cost and get more info, but the guy who runs the program is out till late June. >From the feature on the show (was either Bike Week or Motorcyclist), they set you up with a F4 and assign a mechanic to you who sets up the bike to your preferences. It seemed that all you do is sign up, show up with your gear and go. My guess on price is at least $500/day, plus deposits for crash damage. :0 -jeff ===== ->bike: '00 GSX-R750 ->email: suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX ->web: http://profiles.yahoo.com/suzookusmaximus __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 06:56:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5FAunO07427 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 06:56:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-6.patriot.net [209.249.181.6]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5FAui419375; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 06:56:44 -0400 Message-ID: <3B29E889.4C396CCB@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 06:50:49 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Larson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: racing classification descriptions References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010614214742.00aa4ba0@mail.9netave.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry Larson wrote: > Ummm, Fred, it's an example of humor. Even my life-long > Democrat ex-congressional press secretary fiancee > recognized it as such and laughed. Personally, I haven't > yet decided which party it's meant to favor, if either. Actually, I know this poster meant it as a slam on the dems, but his other tag line makes me laugh - the quote from Sigmund Freud (a known drug user) that goes something like Civilization can only occur when sex is restrained. Does that mean I should always tie her up? That would be a problem - no convenient bedposts for those kitchen quickies or romps on the out-of-balance washing machine during the spin cycle. Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 07:22:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2.radix.net (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5FBMsO07874 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 07:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Smurfslayer (p63.a4.du.radix.net [207.192.130.191]) by pop2.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA16829; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 07:22:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave Yates" To: , , Subject: RE: racing classification descriptions Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 07:26:02 -0400 Message-ID: <001001c0f58d$fa514d80$be82c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8d.7fa39f9.285acc1f@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 In a message dated 6/14/01 10:12:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cliffzig@XXXXXX writes: << Oh for the love of Pete! Don't read it if you don't like it. >> How do you avoid reading it without deleting the message before reading? Does AOL have a political message filter? "What's the only difference between a Fascist and a Republican? A Fascist believes in universal health care." Actually, Fred, ideologically speaking, Fascists are most closely aligned with liberals ; that is to say, they are on the 'same side of the political spectrum' regardless of party affiliation. Obmoto: Liberals tend to want the land for the state, others, like bikers, want it to ryde on ;-) Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' '97 Cobra #5148 http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 08:12:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5FCCVO08638 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:12:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200106150812.AA390857264@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "William J. Huson" >Actually, in town I observe speed limits. There's kids everywhere, and a lot of pedestrians >too. School zones is one place I'd like to have a paintball cannon to plaster the blatant >speeders. Agreed. Saw a great stop one time: Four-lane highway, not divided. Bus with its red lights on stopped and letting out kids. Guy coming the other way just laid on his horn and drove right past the kids. One older kid had his arms out trying to herd the little kids away from the oncoming car. And about two seconds later there's lights and sirens all over the place. Unmarked car right behind the jerk. I went in to do my food shopping and a half hour later the officer still had the jerk pulled over. Hope he got a big ticket, and a 72-point courtesy safety inspection of his car and papers. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 08:42:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp7ve.mailsrvcs.net (smtp7vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.28]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5FCg0O09077 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltrgyst.tennisbooks.com (adsl-151-200-19-35.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.19.35]) by smtp7ve.mailsrvcs.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA32991158 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:41:52 GMT Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010615082451.00ab8ec0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:29:36 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: racing classification descriptions In-Reply-To: <3B29E889.4C396CCB@patriot.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010614214742.00aa4ba0@mail.9netave.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:50 AM 6/15/01, William J. Huson wrote: >.... the quote from Sigmund Freud (a known drug user) that goes >something like Civilization can only occur when sex is restrained. Does that >mean I should always tie her up? In this group, I believe that would mean always wearing your fully-armored, non-expanding Aerostich (tm) brand condom. (Although your further description did make me wonder just how much we're missing out on by having the stacking washer/dryer in our townhouse.) -- Larry '01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco '84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike) '01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small emergency backup bike) From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 08:44:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp7ve.mailsrvcs.net (smtp7vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.28]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5FCiIO09132 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltrgyst.tennisbooks.com (adsl-151-200-19-35.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.19.35]) by smtp7ve.mailsrvcs.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA33884167; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:44:08 GMT Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010615082947.00abc810@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:31:52 -0400 To: Boiade@XXXXXX, cliffzig@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: racing classification descriptions In-Reply-To: <8d.7fa39f9.285acc1f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:25 PM 6/14/01, Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: >.... > >"What's the only difference between a Fascist and a Republican? A Fascist >believes in universal health care." That's the spirit! Now if someone will come up with something about the religious right, or the Washington Post -- Jewish conspiracy, we can really get this thing kick-started. -- Larry '01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco '84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike) '01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small emergency backup bike) From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 09:03:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f237.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.237]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5FD34O09466 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:03:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 06:03:01 -0700 Received: from 199.228.142.5 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:03:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [199.228.142.5] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: racing classification descriptions Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:03:01 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2001 13:03:01.0696 (UTC) FILETIME=[820C6400:01C0F59B] Fred, I think it's mostly been said already, but I'll say it anyway. Give it a rest, already. It's his sig line, not some leftist|rightist|centrist conspiracy! You can always apply a sig line to your messages. Who knows, maybe you can even come up with a good one. And if his really offends you, add him to your kill file. AOL does provide for a way to block offensive users, doesn't it? Perry >From: Boiade@XXXXXX >To: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: racing classification descriptions >Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:07:13 EDT > >In a message dated 6/14/01 3:38:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >pattonme@XXXXXX writes: > ><< > "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad, > they should have voted to convict." > >> > >You know, I haven't mentioned it before, but tonight I was disturbed by the >political note above. I don't believe subscribers to a motorcycle message >board should be bombarded by political propoganda from the right, center or >left. We get enough of that in the media. I believe there are plenty of >political message boards to subscribe to. > >Thanks, > >Fred _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 09:04:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5FD4KO09476 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.47]) id QQktng14892 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:04:18 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQktng06853 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:03:12 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010615023053.11900.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010615023053.11900.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:03:10 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Wannabe Roadracer Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > >>How about renting a race bike? $150 to $200 a day. > >Erion Racing actually does this..... >>From the feature on the show (was either Bike Week or >Motorcyclist), they set you up with a F4 and assign a >mechanic to you who sets up the bike to your >preferences. It seemed that all you do is sign up, >show up with your gear and go. My guess on price is at >least $500/day, plus deposits for crash damage. I imagine the price would be much higher than that.....probably 2-3 times higher. -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 09:11:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14005.mail.yahoo.com (web14005.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.121]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5FDBsO09568 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010615131151.87236.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web14005.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 06:11:51 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 06:11:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: racing classification descriptions To: Boiade@XXXXXX, pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <128.d4f7d.285aabb1@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > You know, I haven't mentioned it before, but tonight > I was disturbed by the > political note above. I don't believe subscribers > to a motorcycle message > board should be bombarded by political propoganda > from the right, center or > left. We get enough of that in the media. I > believe there are plenty of > political message boards to subscribe to. > > Thanks, > > Fred Lighten up. It's a comment on the end of his sig. He's allowed to say anything he wants there. Leon. Save the whales, collect the whole set. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 09:47:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5FDl3O10207 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-47.patriot.net [209.249.181.47]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5FDkg412085; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:46:42 -0400 Message-ID: <3B2A105D.DA093D65@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:40:45 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Larson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: racing classification descriptions References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010614214742.00aa4ba0@mail.9netave.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20010615082451.00ab8ec0@mail.9netave.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry Larson wrote: > (Although your further description did make me wonder > just how much we're missing out on by having the > stacking washer/dryer in our townhouse.) Fer sure, dude - got me a Maytag and it really rumbles! Better'n kicking up waves in a water bed. Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 09:48:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14004.mail.yahoo.com (web14004.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.120]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5FDmTO10218 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:48:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010615134827.2426.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web14004.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 06:48:27 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 06:48:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond To: Todd Withrow , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20010614211342.22472.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Todd Withrow wrote: > Hey nice rant. Feel better? Guess what? The letter > of > the law states that I have "discretion". I don't > have > to ticket you for 56 in a 55. That is stupid. It is stupid. Feel free to write me a ticket for 56 in a 55 anytime you want. I ride the bike with the big Rubbermaid box on the back. Here's a picture http://www3.sympatico.ca/klouseau/leon.htm > While I > agree that the limits are too low, I am not going to > be a one man citizen advocacy group for speed limit > adjustment by pissing off citizens and my bosses by > writing bullshit tickets. Of course not, get the others to do the same thing. It isn't bullshit, it's the law. If you won't do that, then all I'm asking is the YOU PERSONALLY OBEY THE LAW. DRIVE THE SPEED LIMIT. Or are you too chickenshit to do what the law REQUIRES of the rest of us. > If you want me to enforce > the LETTER of the law, and not the SPIRIT, then give > me your address. I gurantee I can spot several > violation on your car without it even moving. > I'll take that bet. I don't pay until you get a conviction. My car is the Blue El Camino. 13391 Packard Dr Dale City, VA 22193 Better yet, take tg's bet, that way he'll have the money he owes me from the last bet I made with him. Oh yeah, can't do that, gambling is probably one of those things we the people aren't allowed to do. > I find it incredible that you WANT officers to be > dicks instead of realistic. There is a real easy way > to ensure that officers enforce the letter of the > law > with you. Get a bumper sticker that says "FUCK > COPS". > Then you will be real happy when you get ticketed > for > 36 in a 35. I don't want them to be dicks, many of them seem to be perfectly capable of doing that on their own. What I want them to do is OBEY THE LAW. From what I've seen, most of them don't and you don't seem to think they should. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 09:56:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11006.mail.yahoo.com (web11006.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.56]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5FDu6O10300 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010615135604.30981.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.230.55.8] by web11006.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 06:56:04 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 06:56:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Trey Herb Subject: Very long story from triumph digest To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Let's say a guy named Adam is attracted to a woman named Eve. He asks her out; she accepts; they have a pretty good time. A few nights later he asks her out to dinner, and again they enjoy themselves. They start to see each other regularly, and after a while, neither one of them is seeing anybody else. Then, one evening when they're driving home, a thought occurs to Eve, and, without really thinking, she says it aloud: "Do you realise that, as of tonight, we've been seeing each other for exactly six months?" And then there is a strained silence in the car . . . to Eve, it seems like a very loud silence. She thinks to herself: "Gee, I wonder if it bothers him that I said that. Maybe he's been feeling confined by our relationship; maybe he thinks I'm trying to push him into some kind of obligation that he doesn't want, or isn't sure of." And Adam is thinking: "Gosh. Six months already." Eve is thinking: "But, hey, I'm not so sure I want this kind of relationship, either. Sometimes I wish I had a little more space, so I'd have time to think about whether I really want us to keep going the way we are, moving steadily forward. I mean, where are we going? Are we just going to keep seeing each other at this level of intimacy? Are we heading toward marriage? Toward children? Toward a lifetime together? Am I ready for that level of commitment? Do I really even know this person?" And Adam is thinking: "So that means it was...let's see ...February when we started going out, which was right after I had the RS at the dealer, which means...lemme think about this. Whoa! I am way overdue for a cam chain tension check. Mebbee the rockers need to be inspected too." Meanwhile Eve is thinking: "He's worried. I can see it on his face. Maybe I'm reading this completely wrong. Maybe he wants more from our relationship, more intimacy, more commitment; maybe he has sensed - even before I sensed it - that I was feeling some reservations. Yes, I bet that's it. That's why he's so reluctant to say anything about his own feelings. He's afraid of being rejected." And Adam is thinking: "And I'm gonna have them look at the transmission again. I don't care what those guys on the list say, it's still not shifting right. And they better not try to blame it on the cold weather this time. What cold weather? It's 87 degrees out, and this thing is shifting like an old Harley Sportster, and I paid those incompetent thieves $1600 for the last service. Not to mention that crap about keeping the valve shims in paper envelopes... sheessh." And he grits his teeth. Eve is thinking: "Now he's angry. And I don't blame him. I'd be angry, too. I feel so guilty, putting him through this, but I can't help the way I feel. I'm just not sure." Adam is thinking: "They'll probably say it's only a 90-day warranty on rocker wear. Scumbags!" Eve is thinking: "Maybe I'm just too idealistic, waiting for a knight to come riding up on his white horse, when I'm sitting right next to a perfectly good person, a person I enjoy being with, a person I truly do care about, a person who seems to truly care about me. A person who is in pain because of my self-centred, schoolgirl romantic fantasy." And Adam is thinking: "Rockers not under Warranty? They want a warranty? I'll give them a warranty. I'll take their warranty and stick it right up their a ....!!" "Adam?" Eve asks aloud. "What!" snaps Adam, startled and brought back abruptly from thoughts of bits of rocker chrome circulating throughout the pristine internals of his RS. "Please don't torture yourself like this," she says, her eyes beginning to brim with tears. "Maybe I should never have... Oh God, I feel so..." (She breaks down, sobbing.) "What's the matter with you?" says Adam, puzzled. "I'm such a fool," Eve sobs. "I mean, I know there's no knight. I really know that. It's silly. There's no knight, and there's no horse." (More sobs). "There's no ... horse?" says Adam, wondering how much of the conversation he missed. "You think I'm a fool, don't you?" Eve says. "No!" says Adam, glad to finally be sure of the correct answer. "It's just that... it's that I... I need some time," Eve says. (There is a 15-second pause while Adam, thinking fast, tries to come up with an appropriate, safe general response. Finally he comes up with one that he thinks might do.) "OK," he says. (Eve, deeply moved, touches his hand.) "Oh, Adam, do you really feel that way? I'm so happy." she says. The next day Eve will call her closest friend, or perhaps two of them, and she will cry and they will talk about this situation for six straight hours. In painstaking detail, they will analyse everything she said and everything he said, going over it time and time again, exploring every word, statement, and gesture for nuances of meaning, considering every possible ramification. They will continue to discuss this subject, off and on, for weeks, maybe months, never reaching any definite conclusions, but never getting bored with it, either. Adam will get back to his place, open a Bud, pick up a copy of Performance Bikes, turn on the TV, and immediately become deeply involved in a rerun of a 125cc Grand Prix race between two Japanese riders he has never heard of. A tiny voice in the far recesses of his mind will tell him that something strange was going on back there in the car, but as he is pretty sure there is no way he would ever understand what, he figures it's better if he just doesn't worry about it. What was that about Mars and Venus? Barry (with thanks to the Ducati list for inspiration) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 10:02:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5FE2qO10460 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.47]) id QQktnk03067 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:02:51 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQktnk28527 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:02:17 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010615134827.2426.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010615134827.2426.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:02:16 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Woah! That's the most I've ever seen Leon Begeman write at one time! Leon, tell us how you really feel! -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 10:49:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from spaw1.hq.af.mil (spaw1.hq.af.mil [134.205.190.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5FEnJO11157 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cais.com (wlafpca-oax108.comm.hq.af.mil [134.205.80.60]) by spaw1.hq.af.mil (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA52202 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:47:11 -0400 Message-ID: <3B2A2075.D7E3A979@cais.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:49:25 -0400 From: Jim Shoemaker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Very long story from triumph digest References: <20010615135604.30981.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Trey Herb wrote: > Then, one evening when they're driving home, a thought occurs to > Eve, > and, without really thinking, she says it aloud: "Do you realise > that, as of > tonight, we've been seeing each other for exactly six months?" > Uh-oh, my GF said the exact same thing to me on Wednesday at dinner. I think I said something like, "Wow...6 months...where has the time gone?" I had no idea what I was getting myself into. :-) --Jim --'00 Monster 750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 10:51:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5FEp7O11236 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id o.ea.16f1d9a6 (16785); Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:50:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:50:50 EDT Subject: Re: racing classification descriptions To: sdave@XXXXXX, cliffzig@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 139 In a message dated 6/15/01 7:22:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes: << Actually, Fred, ideologically speaking, Fascists are most closely aligned with liberals ; that is to say, they are on the 'same side of the political spectrum' regardless of party affiliation. >> << Actually, Fred, ideologically speaking, Fascists are most closely aligned with liberals ; that is to say, they are on the 'same side of the political spectrum' regardless of party affiliation. >> Shows that you know alot about politics, confusing the left and the right. The Fascist party is a right-wing party. In fact, the first people the Nazis and Fascists go after are the Communists and Socialists. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 10:54:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from usnews.com (usnews.com [209.116.158.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5FEstO11246 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.150.101.26] by usn-dc5.usnews.com (NTMail 6.04.0010/NU7436.01.51b8aca2) with ESMTP id apphaaaa for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:54:26 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20010615102703.00b77cd0@ntpop.usnews.com> X-Sender: editboser@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:54:21 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Ulrich Boser Subject: MD Inspection In-Reply-To: <200106142301.f5EN1M425468@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hello, Thanks to all you who recommended Potomac Amoco - I went up there this morning and got the bike inspected without an appointment in less than a half hour and it passed without any problems. Its a 93 Nighthawk. If anyone else is looking to get a bike inspected, go there, corner of River Rd. and Falls Rd. ub From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 11:05:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe5.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.109]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5FF5AO11499 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:05:02 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [209.119.26.40] From: "Dexter Medley" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010615093517.00abea80@mail.9netave.com> Subject: Re: racing classification descriptions Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:06:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2001 15:05:02.0444 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D8DE2C0:01C0F5AC] Better choice than a Frigid-aire, but maybe not as good as a Whirlpool or even Hotpoint? -- Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson (by way of Larry Larson )" To: Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 9:35 AM Subject: Re: racing classification descriptions Larry Larson wrote: > (Although your further description did make me wonder > just how much we're missing out on by having the > stacking washer/dryer in our townhouse.) Fer sure, dude - got me a Maytag and it really rumbles! Better'n kicking up waves in a water bed. Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 11:24:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5FFOSO11729 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-47.patriot.net [209.249.181.47]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5FFOM413611; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:24:23 -0400 Message-ID: <3B2A2744.CA4DCCB9@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:18:28 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dexter Medley CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: racing classification descriptions References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010615093517.00abea80@mail.9netave.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now that you mention it I had to check and refresh my memory. The Maytag died in the hat of passion and wuz replaced with a Sears washer which is still humping along, so to speak. Whatever works! (moto-content ) I've *suggested* trying out the ol' Harley on high idle... Bill Dexter Medley wrote: > Better choice than a Frigid-aire, but maybe not as good as a Whirlpool or > even Hotpoint? > > -- Larry > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 12:49:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13001.mail.yahoo.com (web13001.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5FGnsO13061 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:49:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010615164952.95558.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.101.4.236] by web13001.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:49:52 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:49:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeremy Purdy Subject: RE: Squids To: Perry Coleman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Perry Coleman wrote: > Jeremy, > > Chaps are great to protect your legs from stuff > getting flung up, or to keep > brush and brambles from scraping you when you ride > your horse into a tight > spot. > Or, say, running into a guardrail at high speed. Or protecting your legs while rolling after being ejected from your bike. > As for motorcycling, they don't offer any protection > to one of the more > delicate, and protuberant, spots of anatomy - > namely, your keister. As > someone who has had the dubious pleasure of parting > company with my bike at > about 30-40 mph and sliding a ways on my tushie, I > can attest to the value > of having something other than just a pair of dress > pants between my > derriere and the highway. Had I been wearing chaps > instead of armoured > riding pants, I'd probably be sitting on skin grafts > right now, instead of > cute (I've been told,) smooth, all original butt > skin. I will give you this point, they provide no protection to your derriere. I will say that in my accident experience (which admittedly is not that extensive, nor is this backed up by any statistical evidence - but it seems logical and within the definitions of physics to me) that rolling is more likely than sliding on the same area of your body until you stop. In that situation, and I back this up with my own accident experience, it will be your arms and legs which take the brunt of the abrasion damage and not your derriere. Obviously every accident is different, so the maximum protection definitly comes from full pants. I am currently looking for new attire myself, so I may check out the overpants you spoke of, since you claim that they are easy to get on and off. > > For cool weather riding, I use the Hein > Gericke/First Gear overpants > (armoured, waterproof, textile.) For warm weather > riding, I use the First > Gear summer sport tour overpants (perfed leather.) > My next purchase, as soon > as I lose an inch or so from the waist, is a pair of > "dedicated" armoured, > leather riding pants. The overpants are great for > commuting, but I'd like > something a little more serious for more aggressive > backroad riding. > > Chaps do look cool, though. And I've heard that > they're popular in certain > bars and clubs around Dupont Circle. Not that > there's anything wrong with > that! ;^) Thank you so much for invalidating your entire previous argument with flammatory comments which I would expect to hear in high school locker rooms and redneck bars but not in a forum of people whom I had considered to be somewhat educated and even possibly mature. BTW - If anyone knows of any statistical evidence which shows the proportion of rolling to sliding as a result of a motorcycle accident, I would really like to see that data. Jeremy Purdy '00 Yamaha V-Star - Jeade'en From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 13:30:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9708.mail.yahoo.com (web9708.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.166]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5FHUDO13800 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010615173011.44876.qmail@web9708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.128.166.68] by web9708.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:30:11 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:30:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Scratch Subject: Not kicking or screaming at all To: DCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have dragged meslef into modernity. I bought the demo model '00 Triumph Sprint ST last night at Herndon Cycle Sport, and rode it to work today. Big grins. Skeered me a little too. I grabbed a big handful of throttle (stupid muscle memory!), and the front wheel went light for a about 100 yards. Definitely *not* an Enfield. :) CU, Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 13:36:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5FHaaO13901 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cfoatty3 (1Cust168.tnt1.fredericksburg2.va.da.uu.net [63.36.6.168]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA26717 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001301c0f5c2$658d6640$a806243f@cfoatty3> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010615093517.00abea80@mail.9netave.com> <3B2A2744.CA4DCCB9@patriot.net> Subject: Budd's Creek Details Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:39:24 -0400 Organization: CF&O MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 On Saturday night I will post the details about the ride to Budd's Creek. We probably will meet off of I-95 South in the Stafford area. Roy D. Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 13:44:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5FHiTO13991 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:44:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQktny11319 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:44:27 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQktny12637 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:41:22 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010615164952.95558.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010615164952.95558.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:41:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: RE: Squids Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Or, say, running into a guardrail at high speed. I don't think ANY company manufactures something that will protect your legs if you run into a guardrail at high speed...oh yeah, there might be a few....Toyota, Ford, etc....What the hell are you doing running into guardrails at high speed, anyways? Sounds like someone who shouldn't be on the damn motorcycle in the first place. > Or protecting your legs while rolling after being ejected >from your bike. "Real" leather riding pants would be much better. Most chaps I've seen provide more decorative value than protective. That's not to say that there aren't any good quality chaps out there, but for the money there are superior alternatives. And you typically don't roll. >I will give you this point, they provide no protection >to your derriere. I will say that in my accident >experience (which admittedly is not that extensive, >nor is this backed up by any statistical evidence - >but it seems logical and within the definitions of >physics to me) that rolling is more likely than >sliding on the same area of your body until you stop. One of the most common accidents on the motorcycle is the classic low-side. (Tire lose traction and motorcycle slides out from under you.) These typically result in the person sliding, not rolling. Don't ask me how I know this. >In that situation, and I back this up with my own >accident experience, it will be your arms and legs >which take the brunt of the abrasion damage and not >your derriere. Why not protect everything you can? >Obviously every accident is different, so the maximum >protection definitly comes from full pants. Bingo. > > Chaps do look cool, though. And I've heard that >> they're popular in certain >> bars and clubs around Dupont Circle. Not that >> there's anything wrong with >> that! ;^) > >Thank you so much for invalidating your entire >previous argument with flammatory comments Is your argument invalidated because you made up the word "flammatory"? What does that mean, anyways? "Able to be flammed"? What utter rubbish. Inflammatory comments don't invalidate arguments. Inflammatory comments are what make arguments interesting for others to read. If you're not going to make inflammatory comments, take it off list. > which I would expect to hear in high school locker rooms What are you doing in high school locker rooms anyways? > and redneck bars Wait, you flame hime for making jokes about Gay/Bondage/SM bars, and yet refer to "redneck" bars in such a way as to make them sound bad? "Hi Kettle! I'm Pot! You're black!" > but not in a forum of people whom I had considered to be somewhat >educated and even possibly >mature. And then we were enlightened by your enlightened drivel. Bra-vo. >BTW - If anyone knows of any statistical evidence >which shows the proportion of rolling to sliding as a >result of a motorcycle accident, I would really like >to see that data. Come to a race weekend. That will show you what happens in a single-vehicle motorcycle accident. (The track does have more run-off than the street, but as far as what happens when you and the motorcycle part ways, it's generally all the same.) -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 13:44:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11004.mail.yahoo.com (web11004.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.54]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5FHigO14006 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010615174440.83933.qmail@web11004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.230.55.8] by web11004.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:44:40 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:44:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: Not kicking or screaming at all To: Scratch , DCC In-Reply-To: <20010615173011.44876.qmail@web9708.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Welcome to the club. There are several good triumph groups out there on the web. one of the best is Steve Manes list. ------- to subscribe or to get help, send mail to majordomo@XXXXXX with one or more of the following in the message body, as applicable: subscribe triumph-digest help info triumph-digest ------ Wecome to the world of modern British steel (alloy,aluminum,plastic,carbon fiber, three cylinders)yahoo. Trey '99 Trophy 1200 BRG BTW- You know to stay away from those serivce MFRs at Cycle Sport right. --- Scratch wrote: > I have dragged meslef into modernity. I bought the > demo model '00 Triumph Sprint ST last night at > Herndon > Cycle Sport, and rode it to work today. Big grins. > > > Skeered me a little too. I grabbed a big handful of > throttle (stupid muscle memory!), and the front > wheel > went light for a about 100 yards. Definitely *not* > an > Enfield. :) > > CU, > > Rich > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - > only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 13:57:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5FHvOO14257 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:57:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVasELnnaqrUgn5NFhe5VwKZu8gI5KaKviXcZL5WubHXWLi2EDsyn8+T Received: from [63.123.104.125] (helo=ducman) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.16 #6) id 15AxqT-0002K9-00 ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:57:21 -0400 Message-ID: <014c01c0f5c4$a036b970$7d687b3f@ducman> From: "Genna Melamed" To: "Steven C. Di Pietro" , "D.C.Cycles-L" References: <3B28EB56.FFBB1C4E@peabody.jhu.edu> Subject: Re: Md. laws and MC lighting Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:57:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Yes, the site is http://mlis.state.md.us/ They have all MD statutes. Transportation and otherwise Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" To: "D.C.Cycles-L" Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 12:50 PM Subject: Md. laws and MC lighting > Hi y'all, > > All this talk about VDOT statutes had me wondering if Maryland > has it's laws posted in a user friendly fashion. After going up to Lake > George, NY for Americade, and seeing a bunch of Gold Wings all tricked > out with decorative lighting, I picked up a few for my Katana. Now I'm > wondering about the legalities relating to auxiliary lighting. Anyone > got a source? > > Steven C. Di Pietro > Assistant National Director > National Marketing Coordinator > Suzuki Owners Club USA > 142 Circle Road > Pasadena Md. 21122-6036 > http://www.soc-usa.org > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 14:09:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5FI9tO14471 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22121 invoked by uid 1001); 15 Jun 2001 18:09:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20010615180952.22120.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com for [209.117.173.15] via web-mailer on Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:09:51 -0500 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:09:51 -0500 Subject: How about some rides? (was RE: Squids) I can hear the DEL keys crumbling around the city again. Geez, do you guys ever need to take a chill pill. Must be the summer heat! One flame thread after another. So whose going to put them out of their misery and lead a slow (or fast) group ride? A comment was made that we (dc-cycles) has done about zilch this year on rides. I'm often free on Saturdays and Sunday afternoons to do some. I'll lead a max of 6 riders thru areas like Clifton, Leesburg, PrinceWilliam Forest, etc. I'll try to stay off unpaved roads too. But given my two previous episodes I will insist on some strict ground rules and you will get dismissed if you fail to toe the line. Squidly riders, racer wannabe's and people who consider 60mph on 2 lane country roads to be too slow need not apply. If you have a permit the ink had better not still be wet and you'd better be sure I know about it. I'm based out of Alexandria/springfield, VA BTW. more in-line: > > Chaps do look cool, though. And I've heard that > > they're popular in certain > > bars and clubs around Dupont Circle. Not that > > there's anything wrong with > > that! ;^) > > Thank you so much for invalidating your entire > previous argument with flammatory comments which I And what if the comment was in regards to the ladies riding around in thongs with their legs encased in chaps - for protection? sheyikes!! IMO (and only IMO) chaps were sold because 1) it was a simple leap to make from riding flesh/blood horses to fossile fuel powered ones. 2) it fits in well with the pursuit of the almighty "image" at the cost of actual usefulness a certain caste of predomanantly v-twin riders seem to manifest. > BTW - If anyone knows of any statistical evidence > which shows the proportion of rolling to sliding as I'm not sure the Hurt Study dealt with that. Not scientific purhaps but maybe you want to count the number of times the racers slide on their keister vs tumble as you watch your weekly edition of MC racing on speedvision. Granted nature has provided some extra cushioning in the form of buttocks, but given how utterly worthless cotton is in regards to abrasion resistance I think it makes a lot of sense to cover it (the rump) with leather as well. Think about how much of the day you spend with your butt sitting on something. Imagine not being able to do that because of those skin grafts. As Sylvester the cat would say "eeoowww!!" -- "In a free society, standards of public morality can be measured only by whether physical coercion or violence against persons or property occurs. There is no right not to be offended by words, actions or symbols." - Richard E. Sincere, JR. _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 14:10:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([63.218.228.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5FIAGO14485 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture.wheatintl.com [209.249.185.69]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f5FI7FW10861 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:07:17 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010615140341.0120dea0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:09:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Riding in the city : mayhem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I recently started working with a client in the city (17th/Mst NW). I gotta say - I love commuting in on the bike. Free bike parking lot there on M, lane splitting, HOV. Awesome. It really is mayhem on the streets. In '94 I was driving a delivery truck in DC for a year, so I got to know the city pretty well. Traffic was nothing like it is now. I filter up to the crosswalk and watch as mopeds and bicyclists charge full speed into the intersection through red lights - weaving between pedestrians and narrowly avoiding spilling their guts. The moped guys are either brave or stupid. I am contemplating a second - more narrow bike - for commuting in the city to make lane splitting easier. Its like there are no lane markings in many sections. The VFR is a bit of a pig for this chore. It is nice on 66 all the way in from Centreville though. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 14:10:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5FIAMO14496 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-44-77.s77.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.44.77] helo=palladio) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #6) id 15Ay32-0007jz-00 ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:10:20 -0400 Message-ID: <007801c0f5c6$e19bfcc0$bb82fea9@palladio> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Jeremy Purdy" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <20010615164952.95558.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Squids Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:12:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Jeremy, I've been semi-seriously looking at used leathers for track days, etc. At least two of the crash tested ones showed they had been the sole intervening substance between the rider's flesh and pavement in the seat of the pants. Sean's right, it's more than likely in a low side that the rider's trajectory will result in a full on butt slide. Not trying to be flammable or even inflammable :) but(t) there's a reason full leathers means exactly that, full leathers. Leather pants also have the added advantages of padding and/or armor at the knees and hips and provisions for knee pucks, which you won't find in chaps. Obviously if leather pants, reinforced Cordura pants, etc., are not your cup of tea, chaps are certainly better than plain jeans. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeremy Purdy > I will give you this point, they provide no protection > to your derriere. I will say that in my accident > .... From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 14:20:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9605.mail.yahoo.com (web9605.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.184]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5FIK3O14758 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010615182000.3618.qmail@web9605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.11.149.33] by web9605.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:20:00 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:20:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannette Subject: Re: Riding in the city : mayhem To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010615140341.0120dea0@mail.wheatintl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm with you about riding a bike in the city. When I worked in DC it was the only thing that made working out there bearable. I can't stand the metro and driving in is just, well, not worth it, nor affordable as a daily option. I did notice that riding my VF in was easier than the VFR. I think the VF was thinner. It was definitely the commuter bike of choice. I also love the fact that I didn't have to wait in the hideous traffic with the cars. And contrary to popular belief, it was my experience that cagers aren't so horrid in the city to bikers as they are in the 'burbs in VA. I think cagers are so used to the couriers flying up on the side of them, that they're more used to it, and accept it as part of driving in the city. They also notice you more, which I again attribute to the presence of couriers. In VA I almost get run over every time I ride, and the drivers don't even bat an eyelash. In DC I didn't. I know, sounds weird, but it was true. :-) But it's not for the faint of heart. ;-) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 --- Troutman wrote: > I recently started working with a client in the city > (17th/Mst NW). I > gotta say - I love commuting in on the bike. Free > bike parking lot there > on M, lane splitting, HOV. Awesome. It really is > mayhem on the > streets. In '94 I was driving a delivery truck in > DC for a year, so I got > to know the city pretty well. Traffic was nothing > like it is now. I > filter up to the crosswalk and watch as mopeds and > bicyclists charge full > speed into the intersection through red lights - > weaving between > pedestrians and narrowly avoiding spilling their > guts. The moped guys are > either brave or stupid. > > I am contemplating a second - more narrow bike - for > commuting in the city > to make lane splitting easier. Its like there are > no lane markings in many > sections. The VFR is a bit of a pig for this chore. > It is nice on 66 all > the way in from Centreville though. > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 14:21:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9601.mail.yahoo.com (web9601.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.180]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5FILtO14769 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010615182152.23426.qmail@web9601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.11.149.33] by web9601.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:21:52 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:21:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannette Subject: Re: How about some rides? (was RE: Squids) To: Matthew Patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010615180952.22120.qmail@theglobe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'd be in on a ride. My bike hasn't been on any long rides in quite some time. Not this weekend, though, Father's Day & a bridal shower to go to. :-( - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 --- Matthew Patton wrote: > > > So whose going to put them out of their misery and > lead a slow (or fast) group ride? A comment was made > that we (dc-cycles) has done about zilch this year > on rides. I'm often free on Saturdays and Sunday > afternoons to do some. I'll lead a max of 6 riders > thru areas like Clifton, Leesburg, PrinceWilliam > Forest, etc. I'll try to stay off unpaved roads too. > But given my two previous episodes I will insist on > some strict ground rules and you will get dismissed > if you fail to toe the line. Squidly riders, racer > wannabe's and people who consider 60mph on 2 lane > country roads to be too slow need not apply. If you > have a permit the ink had better not still be wet > and you'd better be sure I know about it. I'm based > out of Alexandria/springfield, VA BTW. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 14:37:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (root@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5FIb2O15006 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id OAA09393; Fri, 15 Jun 1973 14:42:07 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 Jun 1973 14:42:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: Trey Herb cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Very long story from triumph digest In-Reply-To: <20010615135604.30981.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I seem to recall that this was a Dave Barry column from a couple of years ago (with a couple of trivial changes). --garcia From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 15:26:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5FJQFO15810 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:26:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-35.patriot.net [209.249.181.35]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5FJPx404534; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:26:00 -0400 Message-ID: <3B2A5FE6.5BA81019@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:20:06 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeremy Purdy CC: Perry Coleman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Squids References: <20010615164952.95558.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > BTW - If anyone knows of any statistical evidence > which shows the proportion of rolling to sliding as a > result of a motorcycle accident, I would really like > to see that data. > > Jeremy Purdy > '00 Yamaha V-Star - Jeade'en Just my stats: One slide - butt & elbow rash - and the elbow was impact abrasion under heavy leather. One tumble - soared over a left-turner geezermobile and landed on my helmet and did the el rollo. Buggered knees, trashed helmet and boots, more road rash on heavy leather jacket. Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 15:37:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe11.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.115]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5FJbhO16044 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:37:35 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [209.101.141.139] From: "Greg Thompson" To: Subject: FS: New Tour Master Elite Rain Jacket size Medium Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:38:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2001 19:37:35.0329 (UTC) FILETIME=[A0A21D10:01C0F5D2] apologies in advance if the list frowns on this sort of thing, but: i have one brand new size medium black/red/gray Tour Master Elite rain jacket for sale. $35 takes it. the story is that i ordered a small and a medium from MAW. the small fits me well (i'm 5'10"), so i either send back the medium and eat the return shipping charge, or i sell it to someone locally. they're $44.95 new, but MAW had 'em on special for $30.40 + $8.33 per jacket for shipping+handling. so the jacket cost me $38.73. i'll let it go for $35 since the return shipping plus my hassle would be more than $3.73. http://www.tourmaster.com/5d.html it's a really nice jacket. vented, various cinching devices to keep it from flapping around, mesh lining so it doesn't stick to you, etc. much better than what i was expecting, frankly. great value. comes with a little carrying pouch, too (bonus!). interested parties contact me off-list. thanks. -- -greg From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 15:39:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe5.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.109]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5FJdUO16055 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:39:23 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [209.101.141.139] From: "Greg Thompson" To: Subject: Joe Rocket Ballistic pants impressions? Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:40:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2001 19:39:23.0709 (UTC) FILETIME=[E13B96D0:01C0F5D2] anyone own a pair of Joe Rocket Ballistic pants? do you like 'em? any complaints? i'm on the verge of buying a pair for both rain and abraision protection, and any comments/advice would be welcome. thanks. -- -greg From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 15:51:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from rasmus.futurequest.net (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [63.151.112.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5FJphO16289 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 32518 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2001 19:52:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dcpiii1000) (64.3.32.57) by motorcyclegearreview.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2001 19:52:01 -0000 Message-ID: <009101c0f5d3$026ee320$39200340@blairdubilier.com> From: "Dave" To: "Greg Thompson" , References: Subject: Re: Joe Rocket Ballistic pants impressions? Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:40:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 There are two reviews of Joe Rocket Ballistic pants to be found on http://www.motorcyclegearreview.com dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Thompson" To: Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 3:40 PM Subject: Joe Rocket Ballistic pants impressions? > anyone own a pair of Joe Rocket Ballistic pants? do you like 'em? any > complaints? i'm on the verge of buying a pair for both rain and abraision > protection, and any comments/advice would be welcome. > > thanks. > -- > -greg > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 16:31:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp013.mail.yahoo.com (smtp013.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.57]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5FKVMO16925 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:31:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24-163-103-196.sp.cox.rr.com (HELO ltanner) (24.163.103.196) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2001 20:31:20 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Squids Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:12:56 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <007801c0f5c6$e19bfcc0$bb82fea9@palladio> Importance: Normal If you wear leather because it's tough and safe, then chaps have no place on a motorcycle. If, however, you wear leather because it's cool, then no arguments will convince you that chaps are nearly useless for protection. I disagree that chaps are better than jeans only. It's a false sense of security. Both of my crashes have been lowsides that involved lots of sliding on my ass. Had I been wearing chaps, I'd likely be crippled. LindaT. Custom TankBags Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 16:45:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5FKjSO17162 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 2.b7.f6270b8 (17529) for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:45:21 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:45:20 EDT Subject: Fwd: Exciting !! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_b7.f6270b8.285bcde0_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 --part1_b7.f6270b8.285bcde0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit True or not this seems like something this list would enjoy. --part1_b7.f6270b8.285bcde0_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yh04.mx.aol.com (rly-yh04.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.36]) by air-yh02.mail.aol.com (v78_r3.8) with ESMTP; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 06:57:50 -0400 Received: from moto.micapeak.com (moto.micapeak.com [207.53.128.12]) by rly-yh04.mx.aol.com (v78_r3.8) with ESMTP; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 06:57:27 -0400 Received: from moto.micapeak.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moto.micapeak.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA07431; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 03:54:46 -0700 Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 03:54:46 -0700 Message-Id: <002b01c0f589$8ff69340$0200a8c0@home> Errors-To: motolist-owner@XXXXXX Reply-To: motolist@XXXXXX Originator: motolist@XXXXXX Sender: motolist@XXXXXX Precedence: bulk From: "Wes St.Onge" To: Cybertwisties at your fingertips Subject: Exciting !! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Cybertwisties at your fingertips MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Did anyone happen to see the TV "show" (pun intended) hosted by Carmen Electra on Thursday night? It was about commercials that were "banned" in the US. One French commercial showed a guy trying to donate to a sperm bank, but who couldn't seem to get excited about the prospect to he tried unsuccessfully to read the various sex magazines provided for that purpose .....they didn't work, but all of a sudden he did seem to get excited and successfully deposited the fruits of his labor on the receptionist's desk ....She had been noticing that he was taking an extremely long time so went to check on his reading material >.....the magazine was open to an Aprilla ad. Wes St.Onge _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --part1_b7.f6270b8.285bcde0_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 16:50:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11004.mail.yahoo.com (web11004.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.54]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5FKo9O17242 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010615205007.11864.qmail@web11004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.230.55.8] by web11004.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:50:07 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:50:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: Fwd: Exciting !! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Honestly mom I have no idea how that cycle accesories catalog got under my mattress. I say as I unstick the pages. :-P~~~~ --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > True or not this seems like something this list > would enjoy. > > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 03:54:46 -0700 > Reply-to: motolist@XXXXXX > From: "Wes St.Onge" > To: Cybertwisties at your fingertips > > Subject: Exciting !! > > Did anyone happen to see the TV "show" (pun > intended) hosted by Carmen > Electra on Thursday night? > > It was about commercials that were "banned" in the > US. One French commercial > showed a guy trying to donate to a sperm bank, but > who couldn't seem to get > excited about the prospect to he tried > unsuccessfully to read the various > sex magazines provided for that purpose .....they > didn't work, but all of a > sudden he did seem to get excited and successfully > deposited the fruits of > his labor on the receptionist's desk ....She had > been noticing that he was > taking an extremely long time so went to check on > his reading material > >.....the magazine was open to an Aprilla ad. > > Wes St.Onge > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 16:53:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5FKrBO17262 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:53:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7403 invoked by uid 1001); 15 Jun 2001 20:53:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20010615205309.7402.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com for [209.117.173.15] via web-mailer on Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:53:09 -0500 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:53:09 -0500 Subject: Re: Joe Rocket Ballistic pants impressions? read my review on www.motorcyclegearreview.com > complaints? i'm on the verge of buying a pair for both rain and abraision > protection Abrasion : good padding : pathetic (replace with GP armor) rain : they wish!! always carry a rain suit. -- "In a free society, standards of public morality can be measured only by whether physical coercion or violence against persons or property occurs. There is no right not to be offended by words, actions or symbols." - Richard E. Sincere, JR. _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 17:50:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f14.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5FLnxO18138 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:50:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:49:42 -0700 Received: from 209.70.39.9 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:49:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.70.39.9] From: "Perry Coleman" To: purdyjeremy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Squids Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:49:42 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2001 21:49:42.0953 (UTC) FILETIME=[15DD8990:01C0F5E5] Jeremy, New to the list? Perry >From: Jeremy Purdy >To: Perry Coleman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Squids >Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:49:52 -0700 (PDT) > > >--- Perry Coleman wrote: [snip] > > > > Chaps do look cool, though. And I've heard that > > they're popular in certain > > bars and clubs around Dupont Circle. Not that > > there's anything wrong with > > that! ;^) > >Thank you so much for invalidating your entire >previous argument with flammatory comments which I >would expect to hear in high school locker rooms and >redneck bars but not in a forum of people whom I had >considered to be somewhat educated and even possibly >mature. > > >BTW - If anyone knows of any statistical evidence >which shows the proportion of rolling to sliding as a >result of a motorcycle accident, I would really like >to see that data. > >Jeremy Purdy >'00 Yamaha V-Star - Jeade'en > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 18:01:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5FLxQO18286 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:59:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1812 invoked by uid 1001); 15 Jun 2001 21:57:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20010615215726.1811.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com for [209.117.173.15] via web-mailer on Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:57:24 -0500 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:57:24 -0500 Subject: Sunday *slow* ride in Clifton ok, Clifton ride then on Sunday the 17th. 2pm. Meet at the Exxon gas station at the traffic light where Prince William County parkway makes that left turn (if northbound from Woodbridge). If you want to go, give my cell a ring. 703-980-6716. See my prvious post about some of my stipulations. If there are more than 6 riders we'll split up the group and delay the start by 5 minutes for the 2nd group. We'll probably stay in the Clifton area so as to maximize road familiarity and to maximize turning practice. We will have short breaks between rounds so everyone can do a reality check and relax. For the record, Clifton roads are not for the extreme novice and definately not at any fast clip. All corners are essentially blind, a good amount of off-camber, no shoulder, gravel/sand can be surprisingly common. And there are a million drive-ways with poor visibility. If you have issues with cornering (ie. you've never seen a twisty road), don't know how to look thru a turn, catch yourself running wide in corners because you're unsure of lean and tire traction then you can still come but I *MUST* know and I'll have a different route for you. Again, this is a slow / relaxed ride. I'm not trying to scare people away. Really anyone should be able to get thru it safely as long as their reactions when faced with tight turns is to press harder on the handle-bar and keep the throttle on. Run off the road in Clifton and you will get hurt. I harp on this because I've led 2 rides and both times I've had a rider crash because they panic'd and did the wrong things. I stop and wait at all major turns so there is no need to fear being "left behind" and thus having to push harder than you should be. As far as gear is concerned, if you got it, wear it. It's NOT that hot in VA. And if it's too hot to wear gear, then it's too hot to ride. I will disinvite you if you show up in sub-standard gear. I'll tolerate jeans but frankly folks, buy some overpants that have armor in them. -- "In a free society, standards of public morality can be measured only by whether physical coercion or violence against persons or property occurs. There is no right not to be offended by words, actions or symbols." - Richard E. Sincere, JR. _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 18:27:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtprelay2.abs.adelphia.net (smtprelay.abs.adelphia.net [64.8.20.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5FMRWO18808 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gt350 ([63.112.206.122]) by smtprelay2.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GEZT0601.208; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:26:30 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c0f5ea$5002ff60$7ace703f@prestige.net> Reply-To: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: "Matthew Patton" , References: <20010615215726.1811.qmail@theglobe.com> Subject: Re: Sunday *slow* ride in Clifton Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:27:07 -0400 Organization: Attorney at Law MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Disposition-Notification-To: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Unfortunately I will be at Budd's Creek on Sunday for the 125/250 National MX races. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Patton" To: Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 5:57 PM Subject: Sunday *slow* ride in Clifton > ok, Clifton ride then on Sunday the 17th. 2pm. Meet at the Exxon gas station at the traffic light where Prince William County parkway makes that left turn (if northbound from Woodbridge). If you want to go, give my cell a ring. 703-980-6716. See my prvious post about some of my stipulations. If there are more than 6 riders we'll split up the group and delay the start by 5 minutes for the 2nd group. We'll probably stay in the Clifton area so as to maximize road familiarity and to maximize turning practice. We will have short breaks between rounds so everyone can do a reality check and relax. > > For the record, Clifton roads are not for the extreme novice and definately not at any fast clip. All corners are essentially blind, a good amount of off-camber, no shoulder, gravel/sand can be surprisingly common. And there are a million drive-ways with poor visibility. If you have issues with cornering (ie. you've never seen a twisty road), don't know how to look thru a turn, catch yourself running wide in corners because you're unsure of lean and tire traction then you can still come but I *MUST* know and I'll have a different route for you. > > Again, this is a slow / relaxed ride. I'm not trying to scare people away. Really anyone should be able to get thru it safely as long as their reactions when faced with tight turns is to press harder on the handle-bar and keep the throttle on. Run off the road in Clifton and you will get hurt. I harp on this because I've led 2 rides and both times I've had a rider crash because they panic'd and did the wrong things. I stop and wait at all major turns so there is no need to fear being "left behind" and thus having to push harder than you should be. > > As far as gear is concerned, if you got it, wear it. It's NOT that hot in VA. And if it's too hot to wear gear, then it's too hot to ride. I will disinvite you if you show up in sub-standard gear. I'll tolerate jeans but frankly folks, buy some overpants that have armor in them. > -- > > > "In a free society, standards of public morality can be measured > only by whether physical coercion or violence against persons or > property occurs. There is no right not to be offended by words, > actions or symbols." - Richard E. Sincere, JR. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com > > > Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 19:38:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe60.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5FNc7O19982 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:38:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:38:00 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [65.9.63.233] From: "Cliff Zigmond" To: References: <4.2.2.20010615102703.00b77cd0@ntpop.usnews.com> Subject: Re: MD Inspection Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:31:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2001 23:38:00.0897 (UTC) FILETIME=[36F11B10:01C0F5F4] Okay then, will someone be so kind as to recommend where to get an oil change around West Alexandria? I know, I know, I should do it myself. But I just don't have the power! Cliff '93 CB750 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ulrich Boser" To: Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 9:54 AM Subject: MD Inspection > Hello, > > Thanks to all you who recommended Potomac Amoco - I went up there this > morning and got the bike inspected without an appointment in less than a > half hour and it passed without any problems. Its a 93 Nighthawk. If anyone > else is looking to get a bike inspected, go there, corner of River Rd. and > Falls Rd. > > ub > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 19:56:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5FNuFO20237 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-34.patriot.net [209.249.181.34]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5FNuB402099; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:56:11 -0400 Message-ID: <3B2A9F37.D1F47FF9@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:50:16 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cliff Zigmond CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MD Inspection References: <4.2.2.20010615102703.00b77cd0@ntpop.usnews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Crossroads Cycles in Bailey's Crossroads VA. Cliff Zigmond wrote: > Okay then, will someone be so kind as to recommend where to get an oil > change around West Alexandria? I know, I know, I should do it myself. But > I just don't have the power! > > Cliff > '93 CB750 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ulrich Boser" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 9:54 AM > Subject: MD Inspection > > > Hello, > > > > Thanks to all you who recommended Potomac Amoco - I went up there this > > morning and got the bike inspected without an appointment in less than a > > half hour and it passed without any problems. Its a 93 Nighthawk. If > anyone > > else is looking to get a bike inspected, go there, corner of River Rd. and > > Falls Rd. > > > > ub > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 15 23:57:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13001.mail.yahoo.com (web13001.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5G3v0O23887 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 23:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010616035658.70216.qmail@web13001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.12.102.173] by web13001.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:56:58 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:56:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeremy Purdy Subject: RE: Squids To: Perry Coleman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've been reading for a while, posted a couple of times, but all things considered yes I would say I am new to the list, Why, has this topic come up before? Jeremy Purdy '00 Yamaha V-Star - Jeade'en --- Perry Coleman wrote: > Jeremy, > > New to the list? > > Perry > From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 16 07:26:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5GBQJO03716 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 07:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 1.ac.1674a834 (4310); Sat, 16 Jun 2001 07:23:25 -0400 (EDT) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 07:23:25 EDT Subject: PHROG(Pan-Handle Riders of Guzzi) reminder To: vavet1963@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, John.J.Fisher@XXXXXX, SwanpondWV@XXXXXX, MGCL@XXXXXX, C.D.Mullendore@XXXXXX, steve@XXXXXX, stephmac@XXXXXX, NJitzul@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Reminder-- First PHROG ride to Seneca Rocks meets @ Sheetz in Charles Town at 8:30 AM Sunday June 17. Departure at 9:00AM From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 16 10:08:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13006.mail.yahoo.com (web13006.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5GE8nO06045 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 10:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010616140607.61104.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.12.104.26] by web13006.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 07:06:07 PDT Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeremy Purdy Subject: Why do you ride? To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In order to satisfy my own curiosity, I would like to determine some of the demographics of this list. Please take a couple of seconds to respond to this highly un-scientific survey. I will post the results here next Sunday (in order to let any vacationing readers a chance to respond) 1. Is your primary motorcycle: a. Sport Bike b. Touring Bike c. Dual Sport d. Dirt Bike e. Cruiser f. Racing Bike 2. During the summer months, on average, how often do you ride? a. Every Day, rain or shine b. Every day except for bad weather c. 3-5 days a week d. 1-2 days a week e. < 1 day a week 3. How many months a year do you ride? a. 12 b. 9-11 c. 5-8 d. < 5 4. What age group are you in? (All responses will be held strictly confidential) a. 55+ b. 45-54 c. 35-44 d. 25-34 e. <25 f. Prefer not to answer 5. How old were you when you first started riding? a. 55+ b. 45-54 c. 35-44 d. 25-34 e. 15-24 f. <15 6. Why did you start riding (best answer only)? a. Need for Speed b. To emulate a hero (movie star, racer, etc.) c. To connect with the world around me d. To make driving fun e. To join a group f. Because family members/friends did g. Other (Responses will be added to the list when reported) 7. Do you race motorcycles? a. Yes b. No Thanks for taking a couple of seconds to answer this survey. If anyone else has similar questions they have always wondered about and would like to see included in this survey, please e-mail them to me and I will add them to a re-post of this message later in the week. Jeremy Purdy '00 Yamaha V-Star - Jeade'en From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 16 13:28:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cpimssmtpu05.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu05.email.msn.com [207.46.181.81]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5GHS5O08930 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 13:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pavilion ([63.10.40.218]) by cpimssmtpu05.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3225); Sat, 16 Jun 2001 10:25:03 -0700 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" , "Jeremy Purdy" Subject: RE: Why do you ride? Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 13:30:43 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <20010616140607.61104.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2001 17:25:05.0303 (UTC) FILETIME=[48762A70:01C0F689] 1. c 2. a 3.a 4. e 5. e 6. g (Easy parking in D.C.) 7. b From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 16 16:55:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5GKtHO11998 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-42.patriot.net [209.249.181.42]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5GEmo403851; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 10:48:50 -0400 Message-ID: <3B2B7070.E33F167D@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 10:42:56 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeremy Purdy CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Why do you ride? References: <20010616140607.61104.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmm... Methinks these surveys have been done before- you might want to check DCCycles.com. But it's raining - so I'll fill it out... Jeremy Purdy wrote: > In order to satisfy my own curiosity, I would like to > determine some of the demographics of this list. > Please take a couple of seconds to respond to this > highly un-scientific survey. > > I will post the results here next Sunday (in order to > let any vacationing readers a chance to respond) > > 1. Is your primary motorcycle: > b. Touring Bike - That would be me - Harley FLHS > > > 2. During the summer months, on average, how often do > you ride? > b. Every day except for bad weather - don't get wet unless I have > too... > > > 3. How many months a year do you ride? > b. 9-11 - don't do frostbite either > > 4. What age group are you in? (All responses will be > held strictly confidential) > a. 55+ - older than dirt > > > 5. How old were you when you first started riding? > d. 25-34 - rode while in my teens, didn't own a ride until later. > > 6. Why did you start riding (best answer only)? > g. Other (Responses will be added to the list when > reported) Easy commute and preferential parking at NOVA > > 7. Do you race motorcycles? > Hell no - racing boats burned up all my spare racing cash. > Thanks for taking a couple of seconds to answer this > survey. > > If anyone else has similar questions they have always > wondered about and would like to see included in this > survey, please e-mail them to me and I will add them > to a re-post of this message later in the week. > > Jeremy Purdy > '00 Yamaha V-Star - Jeade'en From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 16 20:38:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web12105.mail.yahoo.com (web12105.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.25]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5H0cHO15461 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 20:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010617003814.87984.qmail@web12105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.131.211.85] by web12105.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 17:38:14 PDT Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 17:38:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Braunstein Subject: HELMET AND TIRES FOR SALE!!! - PRICES REDUCED!!!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-338046822-992738294=:87909" --0-338046822-992738294=:87909 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I still haven't sold the helmet and tires below that I emailed out a few weeks ago, so I have reduced the prices on both of them as follows: Helmet - Originally asked $170, now asking $125. This is a brand new, still-in-the-box motocross helmet! Great price even for a 2nd spare! Tires - Originally $50, now asking $40. Can't go wrong with this price! And for you skiiers...I'm also trying to get rid of an old pair of Kastle downhill straight skis, size 190...asking $40 OBO. I also have a pair of Salomon Evolution 7.2 men's all-mountain boots, size 27.5...asking $70 OBO. I do need to get rid of these items in the next couple weeks before I move out of state, so contact me ASAP if you (or someone you know) is interested. Thanks, Glenn Note: forwarded message attached. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ --0-338046822-992738294=:87909 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from [216.131.205.43] by web12104.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 19 May 2001 14:40:51 PDT Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 14:40:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Braunstein Subject: HELMET AND TIRES FOR SALE!!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-139701038-990308451=:77504" Content-Length: 2578 --0-139701038-990308451=:77504 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm moving very soon and need to sell the following ASAP: Bell Moto 7 white motocross helmet, size 7 3/8. NEVER BEEN USED AND STILL IN ORIGINAL BOX!! Retail: $300 Asking: $170 OBO Dunlop D-204F Tires Front: 120/70ZR17 Rear: 180/55ZR17 They're both the stock tires on my 98 VFR 800 with only 5000 miles on them, but the treads still have very good life left in them (ask other owners of these tires, i.e.-other VFR owners, who can vouch for the durability and life of these tires). The only reason I replaced them last year was b/c I wanted to "upgrade" to a bit sportier tires (which I did with Bridgestone BT-56SS tires), but I kept the stock Dunlops as spares. I now need to get rid of them prior to my move, so I'm asking just $50 OBO...great price for anyone looking for a cheap set of spares or just the economically-minded in search of good tires at a good price!! Email me ASAP at this address if interested in either of the above. Glenn Braunstein --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions $2 Million Sweepstakes - Got something to sell? --0-139701038-990308451=:77504 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

I'm moving very soon and need to sell the following ASAP:

Bell Moto 7 white motocross helmet, size 7 3/8.
NEVER BEEN USED AND STILL IN ORIGINAL BOX!!
Retail: $300
Asking: $170 OBO



Dunlop D-204F Tires
Front: 120/70ZR17
Rear: 180/55ZR17

They're both the stock tires on my 98 VFR 800 with only 5000 miles on them, but the treads still have very good life left in them (ask other owners of these tires, i.e.-other VFR owners, who can vouch for the durability and life of these tires).  The only reason I replaced them last year was b/c I wanted to "upgrade" to a bit sportier tires (which I did with Bridgestone BT-56SS tires), but I kept the stock Dunlops as spares.  I now need to get rid of them prior to my move, so I'm asking just $50 OBO...great price for anyone looking for a cheap set of spares or just the economically-minded in search of good tires at a good price!!

Email me ASAP at this address if interested in either of the above.

Glenn Braunstein



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------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C0F6AD.07FBEE20-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 16 22:02:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtprelay2.abs.adelphia.net (smtprelay.abs.adelphia.net [64.8.20.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5H22aO16707 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 22:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gt350 ([63.112.206.122]) by smtprelay2.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GF1XMR02.U5L for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 22:01:39 -0400 Message-ID: <001b01c0f6d1$895c4fe0$7ace703f@prestige.net> Reply-To: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Budd's Creek Meeting Location Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 22:02:17 -0400 Organization: Attorney at Law MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C0F6B0.02078C60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Disposition-Notification-To: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C0F6B0.02078C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We are meeting at the Hardees located off of the Route 17 North Exit off = of I-95 (Virginia) at 10:45 a.m. I think the Exit number is 133B. At = least two bikes will be making the trip. Roy D. Turner, Esq. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C0F6B0.02078C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
We are meeting at the Hardees located = off of the=20 Route 17 North Exit off of I-95 (Virginia) at 10:45 a.m.  I think = the Exit=20 number is 133B.  At least two bikes will be making the = trip.
 
Roy D. Turner, = Esq.
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C0F6B0.02078C60-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 16 23:57:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5H3v3O18375 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JoseQuinones3@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 2.7e.16805dca (4569) for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:56:54 -0400 (EDT) From: JoseQuinones3@XXXXXX Message-ID: <7e.16805dca.285d8486@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:56:54 EDT Subject: Hagerstown AMA Dirt Track Race will be run Tommorow at 1 pm To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7e.16805dca.285d8486_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 --part1_7e.16805dca.285d8486_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Due to the weather, you'll get a second chance if you wanted to see this race. gates open at 11, racing starts at 1 pm. Jose Quinones --part1_7e.16805dca.285d8486_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Due to the weather, you'll get a second chance if you wanted to see this
race. gates open at 11, racing starts at 1 pm.

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Thanks Hugh From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 17 22:46:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5I2krO09139 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 22:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24-163-103-196.sp.cox.rr.com (HELO ltanner) (24.163.103.196) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2001 02:46:50 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "LindaT." To: "CBR" Cc: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: www.discountmotorcycletires.com Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 22:43:03 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Has anyone ordered any tires from the above site? They seem to have pretty good prices. Comments? Linda J. Tanner 8290 Crestmont Circle Springfield, VA 22153 (H)703/690-4763 (M)703/627-2374 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 18 08:21:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9708.mail.yahoo.com (web9708.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.166]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5ICLaO18373 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 08:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010618122130.63506.qmail@web9708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.42] by web9708.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 05:21:30 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 05:21:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Scratch Subject: RE: Why do you ride? To: purdyjeremy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Since I'm a trouble maker by nature... 1. Is your primary motorcycle: g. Sport Touring Bike (and what about Standards?) :) 2. During the summer months, on average, how often do you ride? b. Every day except for bad weather (with Bill on this one) 3. How many months a year do you ride? a. 12 (and now I have an alternator that will support heated clothing) 4. What age group are you in? (All responses will be held strictly confidential) c. 35-44 (D'Oh! *just* missed the "young" group) 5. How old were you when you first started riding? e. 15-24 (1st bike was a very old and dilapidated CB350F that I bought for something like $100 when I was 20) 6. Why did you start riding (best answer only)? g. Other (Too poor to afford a car. In addition to being really cool toys, you can use these things as vehicles! What a country!) 7. Do you race motorcycles? b. No (Maybe someday. Fear of addiction makes me leary of it though.) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 18 11:27:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5IFR1O21275 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 11:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.47]) id QQktyr12368; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 15:26:59 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQktyr00937; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 15:25:25 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 11:25:10 -0400 To: race@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Bridgestone BT010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I'm thinking of putting these on my '93 CBR1000F streetbike.. Any of you kids have experience with this tire on the street? (Note: This is the street DOT, not the GP DOT.) Thanks. -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 18 11:42:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5IFgfO21510 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 11:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 1.49.caffaf2 (16786); Mon, 18 Jun 2001 11:41:57 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <49.caffaf2.285f7b44@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 11:41:56 EDT Subject: Re: Bridgestone BT010 To: sean.jordan@XXXXXX, race@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 123 In a message dated 6/18/01 11:29:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sean.jordan@XXXXXX writes: > I'm thinking of putting these on my '93 CBR1000F streetbike.. Any of > you kids have experience with this tire on the street? (Note: This is > the street DOT, not the GP DOT.) Thanks. Seems to be fairly decent to me. It's the stock rubber on my new toy. No major surprises so far. Keener From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 18 11:50:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5IFolO21661 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 11:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7991 invoked by uid 1001); 18 Jun 2001 15:50:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20010618155044.7990.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com for [209.117.173.15] via web-mailer on Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:50:44 -0500 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:50:44 -0500 Subject: Kriss industries I have no beef with their products. But make sure you call your order in or be prepared to do battle with your CCard company due to unauthorized charges showing up. If you use their website your credit card information is sent *IN THE CLEAR* via email to a sales droid. They and their pathetic ISP have the gall to claim they have a 'secure' site. If you feel like mentioning that when you call, all the better. I'm pondering filing a BBB complaint against them. Beware other MC retailers, too. The amount of security cluelessness is incredible. -- "In a free society, standards of public morality can be measured only by whether physical coercion or violence against persons or property occurs. There is no right not to be offended by words, actions or symbols." - Richard E. Sincere, JR. _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 18 11:52:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5IFq7O21664 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 11:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.11]) id QQktyt26025 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 15:52:06 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQktyt01339 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 15:51:35 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 11:51:31 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Bridgestone BT010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Hey, were you at VIR? I didnt get around much....too busy >racing/working. We got 3rd in the endurance. >jason I sure was! I drove up Friday night and left Sunday afternoon. I was on the blue 400, #779. I was pitted with Speedwerks. I was going to run the endurance on Friday but that fell through. Sorry I didn't get a chance to meet you. I did meet Jason Temme, and a few other guys from the list though. Congratulations on your win! -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 18 12:01:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5IG1BO21853 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 12:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.11]) id QQktyu14349 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 16:01:09 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQktyu21602 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 16:01:04 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 12:01:00 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Bridgestone BT010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sorry, my last post was a private response, not supposed to go to the list. That's why it makes no sense. -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 18 14:55:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h007.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5IIt1O24613 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 11165 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2001 11:54:52 -0700 Received: from w156.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net (HELO laura) (216.112.246.156) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.171) with SMTP; 18 Jun 2001 11:54:52 -0700 X-Sent: 18 Jun 2001 18:54:52 GMT Message-ID: <050901c0f828$7737cda0$9cf670d8@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: for you numbskulls who think crashing is cool... Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:57:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 I had my first racing crash this weekend at VIR in my first nationals race. And let me tell you, it is NOT cool. I was virtually unhurt, thanks to my wonderful safety gear. Bruised ribs, bruises on arms and legs, and a hell of a scare, but I will tell you, how it looks to a spectator (oh, that's not such a bad crash) sure doesn't feel the same when it's you tumbling on the dirt!!!! Part of the crash wasn't my fault, but part was. Basically got pushed out of a turn at the bottom of the roller coaster, I had more entry speed than the guy that cut in front of me, and I was stuck on the outside of him...ran out of track. Had two choices 1. hit him 2. stand the bike up and go off the track. I chose the second (although now I wish I hadn't). So, after standing the bike up and hitting the dirt, I made a really stupid beginners mistake...grabbed the front brake. All I was thinking was "i'm going down a hill and I need to slow down." I panicked, and that's all she wrote. Rear end slid out, low-sided, and tumbled a few times. Landed on my ribs and knocked the wind out me. It sucked. the aprilia crashed much better than I did!!! she is a little bit dirty and needs a new brake lever, but that's about it. Overall, though, had a great weekend and learned a ton!!! But anyways, for those of you who think crashing is so damn cool....go try it. I guarantee even a little low-side will get your panties in a bunch. LAG From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 18 15:04:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9601.mail.yahoo.com (web9601.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.180]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5IJ45O24783 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 15:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010618190403.34176.qmail@web9601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.11.149.33] by web9601.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 12:04:03 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 12:04:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannette Subject: Re: for you numbskulls who think crashing is cool... To: Laura Granato , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <050901c0f828$7737cda0$9cf670d8@dccracing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry you took a spill, but glad you're ok. :-) Did you find the guy who cut you off and punch him in the ribs, for good measure? ;-) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 --- Laura Granato wrote: > I had my first racing crash this weekend at VIR in > my first nationals race. > And let me tell you, it is NOT cool. I was > virtually unhurt, thanks to my > wonderful safety gear. Bruised ribs, bruises on > arms and legs, and a hell > of a scare, but I will tell you, how it looks to a > spectator (oh, that's not > such a bad crash) sure doesn't feel the same when > it's you tumbling on the > dirt!!!! > > Part of the crash wasn't my fault, but part was. > Basically got pushed out > of a turn at the bottom of the roller coaster, I had > more entry speed than > the guy that cut in front of me, and I was stuck on > the outside of him...ran > out of track. Had two choices 1. hit him 2. stand > the bike up and go off > the track. I chose the second (although now I wish > I hadn't). So, after > standing the bike up and hitting the dirt, I made a > really stupid beginners > mistake...grabbed the front brake. All I was > thinking was "i'm going down a > hill and I need to slow down." I panicked, and > that's all she wrote. Rear > end slid out, low-sided, and tumbled a few times. > Landed on my ribs and > knocked the wind out me. It sucked. > > the aprilia crashed much better than I did!!! she is > a little bit dirty and > needs a new brake lever, but that's about it. > Overall, though, had a great > weekend and learned a ton!!! > > But anyways, for those of you who think crashing is > so damn cool....go try > it. I guarantee even a little low-side will get > your panties in a bunch. > > LAG > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 18 16:03:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5IK3XO25733 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 16:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.15]) id QQktzk22640; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 20:03:27 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQktzk06507; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 20:02:02 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 16:02:01 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, race@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Cheap Suzuki Parts Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Any suggestions on where to find the cheapest new Suzuki parts? My brother got a FREE '89 Katana and is freshening up the motor. Thanks. -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 18 16:25:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web3802.mail.yahoo.com (web3802.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.111.173]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5IKP8O26092 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 16:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010618202505.16803.qmail@web3802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.120] by web3802.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 13:25:05 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 13:25:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Cheap Suzuki Parts To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sean, Tell your brother he just got ripped off. ;^P Chris Weaver --- Sean Jordan wrote: > My brother got a FREE '89 Katana __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 18 16:50:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5IKoYO26594 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 16:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-109-94.s94.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.109.94] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #6) id 15C5yi-0006UD-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 16:50:32 -0400 Message-ID: <008501c0f838$21713c20$5e6daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <050901c0f828$7737cda0$9cf670d8@dccracing.org> Subject: Re: for you numbskulls who think crashing is cool... Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 16:49:11 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hope you feel better soon Laura. Be thankful, it could always be worse. :) Let's try to avoid MX'n from now on, what do you say? Danny '98 VTR '99 SV (race bike) battered for now... Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shenvalleywarrenton.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 ----- Original Message ----- From: Laura Granato To: Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 2:57 PM Subject: for you numbskulls who think crashing is cool... > I had my first racing crash this weekend at VIR in my first nationals race. snip... From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 18 17:13:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5ILDXO26946 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 16:11:38 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 16:11:28 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: for you numbskulls who think crashing is cool... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f5ILDhO26947 Hey Laura, Sorry the hear about your shunt, luckily you were unhurt and the bike didn't sustain much damage. Crashing on the street is much worse, get's my panties...er underwear in a bunch everytime. Cheers, George Cole George M Cole Technology Consultant www.boisetech.com 301-523-4161 FAX 1-888-240-3154 >>> "Laura Granato" 06/18/01 02:57PM >>> I had my first racing crash this weekend at VIR in my first nationals race. And let me tell you, it is NOT cool. I was virtually unhurt, thanks to my wonderful safety gear. Bruised ribs, bruises on arms and legs, and a hell of a scare, but I will tell you, how it looks to a spectator (oh, that's not such a bad crash) sure doesn't feel the same when it's you tumbling on the dirt!!!! Part of the crash wasn't my fault, but part was. Basically got pushed out of a turn at the bottom of the roller coaster, I had more entry speed than the guy that cut in front of me, and I was stuck on the outside of him...ran out of track. Had two choices 1. hit him 2. stand the bike up and go off the track. I chose the second (although now I wish I hadn't). So, after standing the bike up and hitting the dirt, I made a really stupid beginners mistake...grabbed the front brake. All I was thinking was "i'm going down a hill and I need to slow down." I panicked, and that's all she wrote. Rear end slid out, low-sided, and tumbled a few times. Landed on my ribs and knocked the wind out me. It sucked. the aprilia crashed much better than I did!!! she is a little bit dirty and needs a new brake lever, but that's about it. Overall, though, had a great weekend and learned a ton!!! But anyways, for those of you who think crashing is so damn cool....go try it. I guarantee even a little low-side will get your panties in a bunch. LAG From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 18 18:00:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp015.mail.yahoo.com (smtp015.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.59]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5IM0KO27753 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cp93425-a.mtgmry1.md.home.com (HELO cp93425a) (65.14.174.34) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2001 22:00:17 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "rydin" To: "dc-cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: for you numbskulls who think crashing is cool... Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:58:05 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c0f85a$e67d72a0$22ae0e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <050901c0f828$7737cda0$9cf670d8@dccracing.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Glad to hear you're OK there. ...and by the way - I don't wear panties anymore. Niv BMW F6650ST -----Original Message----- From: Laura Granato [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 11:57 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: for you numbskulls who think crashing is cool... But anyways, for those of you who think crashing is so damn cool....go try it. I guarantee even a little low-side will get your panties in a bunch. LAG _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 18 23:25:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10005.mail.yahoo.com (web10005.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5J3PQO03278 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 23:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010619032522.92985.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.12.102.166] by web10005.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 20:25:22 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 20:25:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Nomad Subject: Re: Bridgestone BT010 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200106182301.f5IN1Ll28711@dirty.meretrix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have BT010s mounted on my VFR. A great improvement over the OEM tires. The bike really falls into the turns now. I recommend them and are a real crowd pleaser on the VFR list. My .02 worth. Herb '99 VFR *Snip* > From: SKeener2@XXXXXX > Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 11:41:56 EDT > Subject: > To: sean.jordan@XXXXXX, race@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > In a message dated 6/18/01 11:29:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > sean.jordan@XXXXXX writes: > > > I'm thinking of putting these on my '93 CBR1000F streetbike.. Any > of > > you kids have experience with this tire on the street? (Note: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 19 08:45:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5JCjUO12850 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 08:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-61-72.s326.tnt4.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.61.72] helo=c9rnf01) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #6) id 15CKsp-0007Pz-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 08:45:27 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c0f8bd$72d457c0$483d2c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: numbskulls who think crashing is cool... Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 08:43:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 But anyways, for those of you who think crashing is so damn cool....go try it. I guarantee even a little low-side will get your panties in a bunch. LAG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Sorry about your get-off Laura. Would it be too goulish to point out that it was bound to happen, and probably will again? Not to say you are a bad rider, but crashing happens alot at a race track until (usually) you get your white numbers ;-) Glad to hear you only suffered a couple bruised ribs though. Chalk it up to experience. Stay out of the outside at high-speed. I imagine another scenario would be that dude loses his front end and by no fault of your own, he wipes you both out (cringe).... I think you are remembering Ricardo Pontes and his inane comments about racers and racing in general. He hates racing, but he loves the crashes. Tool. Todd (Springfield) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 19 09:38:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h017.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.181]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5JDctO13639 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:38:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 10045 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2001 06:38:47 -0700 Received: from w156.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net (HELO laura) (216.112.246.156) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.181) with SMTP; 19 Jun 2001 06:38:47 -0700 X-Sent: 19 Jun 2001 13:38:47 GMT Message-ID: <065d01c0f8c5$7a334500$9cf670d8@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Todd Peer" , "AA DC Cycles" References: <000d01c0f8bd$72d457c0$483d2c42@c9rnf01> Subject: Re: numbskulls who think crashing is cool... Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:40:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 > > Sorry about your get-off Laura. Would it be too goulish to point out that > it was bound to happen, and probably will again? not at all, Todd...that's racing! I understand that...it was just a little scary for me because I've never crashed anything, not even my car (knock on wood) and during my lifetime, I've never been hurt doing anything...so it freaked me out. Crashing is definitely part of racing, I'm just glad I have a few weeks to forget about it before I get back on the bike. ;-) LAG From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 19 10:25:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f31.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5JEPvO14355 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 07:14:22 -0700 Received: from 162.129.144.73 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:14:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [162.129.144.73] From: "Devin Ginther" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: New Baltimore shop....rip off? Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:14:21 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2001 14:14:22.0202 (UTC) FILETIME=[2314C5A0:01C0F8CA] Greeting, I need your input. I have a friend who knows little about repairing, maintaining his 92 FZR600. Unfortunately, I wasn't around last week to help him out. He took his bike to a new shop north of Baltimore...in Cockeysville called Performance Cycle. The guy changed his front pads, bleed the front brakes, and installed a new bulb in his instrument cluster. Cake right. Bleeding the brakes takes no more than about 5 min on a bike and replacing them is just as easy. The owner ended up charging him $228 for it all. $80 for the brakes, $6 brake fluid, no charge for the bulb, and the rest labor (about $142). The guy told him it took 2hrs to do the brakes. I told my bud he got ripped off, so he called him back for feedback on his service. The guy ended up stating that he was as competitive as all the other local shops. So am I insane? Or isn't this the biggest load of crap you've ever heard of????? Devin Ginther 1995 GSXR1100 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 19 10:32:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14004.mail.yahoo.com (web14004.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.120]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5JEW0O14500 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:32:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010619143158.95900.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web14004.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 07:31:58 PDT Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 07:31:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: New Baltimore shop....rip off? To: Devin Ginther , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sounds like he replaced the brake fluid; that's a bit more than just bleeding the brakes. Not sure how difficult it is to get to the bulb in the instrument cluster, but it could involve a bit of disassembly. $142 for labor is about 3 hours, not too unreasonable. I vote reasonable. Doesn't sound like a ripoff to me. Leon. --- Devin Ginther wrote: > Greeting, > > I need your input. I have a friend who knows > little about repairing, > maintaining his 92 FZR600. Unfortunately, I wasn't > around last week to help > him out. He took his bike to a new shop north of > Baltimore...in > Cockeysville called Performance Cycle. The guy > changed his front pads, > bleed the front brakes, and installed a new bulb in > his instrument cluster. > Cake right. Bleeding the brakes takes no more than > about 5 min on a bike > and replacing them is just as easy. The owner ended > up charging him $228 > for it all. $80 for the brakes, $6 brake fluid, no > charge for the bulb, and > the rest labor (about $142). The guy told him it > took 2hrs to do the > brakes. I told my bud he got ripped off, so he > called him back for feedback > on his service. The guy ended up stating that he > was as competitive as all > the other local shops. So am I insane? Or isn't > this the biggest load of > crap you've ever heard of????? > > Devin Ginther > 1995 GSXR1100 > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 19 10:58:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5JEwlO14931 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id i.5b.17956e82 (4238); Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:58:04 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <5b.17956e82.2860c27c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:58:04 EDT Subject: Re: New Baltimore shop....rip off? To: dev_ginther@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 123 In a message dated 6/19/01 10:27:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dev_ginther@XXXXXX writes: > The owner ended up charging him $228 > for it all. $80 for the brakes, $6 brake fluid, no charge for the bulb, and > the rest labor (about $142). The guy told him it took 2hrs to do the > brakes. I told my bud he got ripped off, so he called him back for feedback > on his service. The guy ended up stating that he was as competitive as all > the other local shops. So am I insane? Or isn't this the biggest load of > crap you've ever heard of????? Yes and no. $80 for brake front brake pads...probably in the park. I pay less for pads at the track....but they are also usually discounted. Bleeding the brakes...well...depends on how quickly they come in. I've had times where it takes 5 minutes. I've also had times where several people screwed with them for 3 days before getting that final bubble out and they come up correctly. It's not a science...it's more of an art. (Tap here...crack bleed there...etc.) Plus the shop needs to make a profit. Is it a tad high...probably. But egregious...probably not. If you want a good shop...try SpeedWerks in Dover Delaware. They are excellent and have great prices. I have them work on all of my racebikes...and I live in Virginia. :-) Keener From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 19 13:42:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5JHgBO17825 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 13:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-118.patriot.net [209.249.180.118]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5JHg0422605; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 13:42:00 -0400 Message-ID: <3B2F8D84.40C5FB3E@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 13:36:04 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Devin Ginther CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Baltimore shop....rip off? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nope, sounds in the ball park for $$$. I had to bleed front brakes after replacing a front brake line and lemme tell ya - took way more than few minutes. More like an hour. I also passed wrenchs while my cuz replaced the front pads on his Harley - major PITA, took us at least four beers and a pizza to get thru that one. And DOT5 brake fluid ain't cheap. Bill Devin Ginther wrote: > Greeting, > > I need your input. I have a friend who knows little about repairing, > maintaining his 92 FZR600. Unfortunately, I wasn't around last week to help > him out. He took his bike to a new shop north of Baltimore...in > Cockeysville called Performance Cycle. The guy changed his front pads, > bleed the front brakes, and installed a new bulb in his instrument cluster. > Cake right. Bleeding the brakes takes no more than about 5 min on a bike > and replacing them is just as easy. The owner ended up charging him $228 > for it all. $80 for the brakes, $6 brake fluid, no charge for the bulb, and > the rest labor (about $142). The guy told him it took 2hrs to do the > brakes. I told my bud he got ripped off, so he called him back for feedback > on his service. The guy ended up stating that he was as competitive as all > the other local shops. So am I insane? Or isn't this the biggest load of > crap you've ever heard of????? > > Devin Ginther > 1995 GSXR1100 > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 19 17:28:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11503.mail.yahoo.com (web11503.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5JLS4O21779 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 17:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010619212802.89624.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.254.76.22] by web11503.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:28:02 PDT Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:28:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: New Baltimore shop....rip off? To: "William J. Huson" , Devin Ginther Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3B2F8D84.40C5FB3E@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You guys seem to be missing something hear... Any decent shop should own a bleeder tool that hooks to an air compressor and sucks the fluid through with zero bubbles. Changing the brake or clutch fluid with one of those takes minutes at most. At $180 I'm thinking of buying one myself. Glenn --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Nope, sounds in the ball park for $$$. I had to > bleed front brakes after > replacing a front brake line and lemme tell ya - > took way more than few > minutes. More like an hour. I also passed wrenchs > while my cuz replaced the > front pads on his Harley - major PITA, took us at > least four beers and a pizza > to get thru that one. And DOT5 brake fluid ain't > cheap. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 19 18:15:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5JMFrO22621 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f5JME9H08887; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:14:10 -0400 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Glenn Dysart , "William J. Huson" , Devin Ginther Subject: Re: New Baltimore shop....rip off? Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:14:09 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX References: <20010619212802.89624.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010619212802.89624.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01061918140906.25851@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Glenn Dysart wrote: > You guys seem to be missing something hear... Any > decent shop should own a bleeder tool that hooks to an > air compressor and sucks the fluid through with zero > bubbles. Changing the brake or clutch fluid with one > of those takes minutes at most. At $180 I'm thinking > of buying one myself. I was going to mention this :) Thanks Glenn. Even using a MightyVac manual pump bleeder takes a lot less than an hour. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 19 19:18:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5JNIfO23674 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 19:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-102.patriot.net [209.249.180.102]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5JNIa400781; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 19:18:37 -0400 Message-ID: <3B2FDC6A.C114E1BB@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 19:12:43 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glenn Dysart CC: Devin Ginther , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Baltimore shop....rip off? References: <20010619212802.89624.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit True, but one must amoritize the cost of special equipment when in bizz. What you pay for is the mechanic's time plus his trained knowledge X 2 to cover overhead (the shop) which includes all the *special* tools. And one must take into account "local prices". In order to feed the fam a tech-mech has to pull in big bucks per hour around this burg. The rate of the last tech-mech who worked on my beast was about 2/3 of our local rates - he lived in East Bugsplat NC, brand new 1400 sq foot house ~ 75K. And my van had a front brake failure in Swampy Corners NC - pop 512. Rotors turned, wheel bearings repacked, rebuilt calipers, new pads, came to $184. Try that in Metro-burg! Bill Glenn Dysart wrote: > You guys seem to be missing something hear... Any > decent shop should own a bleeder tool that hooks to an > air compressor and sucks the fluid through with zero > bubbles. Changing the brake or clutch fluid with one > of those takes minutes at most. At $180 I'm thinking > of buying one myself. > > Glenn > > --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > > Nope, sounds in the ball park for $$$. I had to > > bleed front brakes after > > replacing a front brake line and lemme tell ya - > > took way more than few > > minutes. More like an hour. I also passed wrenchs > > while my cuz replaced the > > front pads on his Harley - major PITA, took us at > > least four beers and a pizza > > to get thru that one. And DOT5 brake fluid ain't > > cheap. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. > http://buzz.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 19 19:25:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.watsonwyatt.com (host249.watsonwyatt.com [208.22.178.249] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5JNPJO23788 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 19:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 19:24 -0500 From: "Rob Bell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: re: new shop rip off?? Message-ID: <20010619192305350-20f38989@watsonwyatt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Glenn Dysart You guys seem to be missing something hear... Any decent shop should own a bleeder tool that hooks to an air compressor and sucks the fluid through with zero bubbles. Changing the brake or clutch fluid with one of those takes minutes at most. At $180 I'm thinking of buying one myself. The thing everyone's missing is the pad change which was mentioned. at least in my experience that requires removing the calipers so you can push the pistons back in. Not a 3 hour job in itself for someone who's experienced, but... Overall, I would definitely not say your friend was ripped off _compared to what other shops would charge_. Maybe this is due to poor experience/low expectations more than whether I actually think 3 hours is what it should take an experienced mechanic to accomplish the stated tasks. Keep the shiny side up! R '00 ZX-9R Voodoo '96 VFR From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 19 20:51:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5K0pVO25208 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ThomasAJordan@XXXXXX by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 2.cd.809d35f (3699) for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:51:18 -0400 (EDT) From: ThomasAJordan@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:51:18 EDT Subject: How shops bill labor -- was "new shop rip off??" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cd.809d35f.28614d86_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10520 --part1_cd.809d35f.28614d86_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Flat rate. Gotta love the flat rate. (I know I do!) Book says a job takes three hours. That's what is costs the customer. Mechanic does it in 1.5 hours. That's how he makes money. A GOOD mechanic will turn in 16-20 hours of labor in an 8 hour work day.... --part1_cd.809d35f.28614d86_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Flat rate. Gotta love the flat rate. (I know I do!) Book says a job takes
three hours. That's what is costs the customer. Mechanic does it in 1.5
hours. That's how he makes money. A GOOD mechanic will turn in 16-20 hours of
labor in an 8 hour work day....
--part1_cd.809d35f.28614d86_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 19 21:04:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5K14aO25374 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-50-127.s127.tnt6.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.50.127]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #6) id 15CWPt-0005Bb-00 ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:04:25 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:11:11 -0400 Subject: New Address From: "Charles L. Rosen" To: Sunil Agarwal , Michelle Aizenberg , Regina Allard , Bernadette Alva , Josh Ammerman , Karen And Andrew , Leonard Appleman , Rebecca Aqua , GW AV Dept , Michael Ayad , David Baskin , Kaye Beall , Phillip Berryhill , "Dr. P.M. Black" , Bennett Blumenkopf , Chris Bogaev , Ken Bromberger , Lisa Bromberger , Peter Bross 301-594-2473 FAX t- , Peter Bross , Russel Buchanan , Donna Burke , Tim Burke Message-Id: >, Anthony Caputy , Joseph Chen , Joseph Chen , Vincent Chiappinelli , Colleen , Colleen Corwell , Glenn Crosby , dc-cycles , Jeffrey Dembner , Barbara Dunn , "Dr. Duc Duong" , Patricia Perkins Duong , "Tom S. Ellis" , Fred Epstein , Terri Everett , "Dr. Duc Duong" , "Tom S. Ellis" , Akio Morita , Peter Nora , Brian Sullivan , Dave Weitman , FDC , Mona Foad , "Dr. Damirez Fossett" , Tom Gennarelli , Mary Clare Glabowicz , Grace Gonzalez , Sean Grady , Aimee Granger , Robert Harbaugh , Harpelj , Jeff Harvan , Dan Herr , Timea Hodics , Marvin William Jackson , Jeff Jacobson , Marilyn Krukowski , Barbara and Keith Kuhlegl , "Cross, Laura" , Mark Lee , Zach Levine , Karen Levinson , Mac , Robin Metheny , Akio Morita , Alan Morrison , Wade Mueller , Peter Nora , Monica Partsch , John Pattaras , Mark Philips , David Pincus , Andrea Amal Prados , Jennifer Pryll , Rob Pryor , Ramin Rak , "Caple A. Spence" , Tim Burke , Michael Ayad , Grace Gonzalez , Babu Welch , Marvin William Jackson , Minh Tran , Josh Ammerman , Ramin Rak , Michelle Aizenberg , Paul Reynolds , "Martuza, Robert L., M.D." , Bernard Rosen , "Charles L. Rosen" , seth rosen , Lisa Ross , Lisa Ross , Arthur Russo , Michael Salcman , Jim Salzer , BK Skinner , "McHardy M. Smith" , "Caple A. Spence" , Benjamin and Margie Starnes , Philip Starr , Arie Struyk , Brian Sullivan , "Crocco, Todd (CROCCOTJ)" , Minh Tran , Karen Turri , "vfr@XXXXXX" , Laura Walker , "Dr. R Walsh" , Dave Weitman , Babu Welch , Donald Wright , Stephanie Young Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit As of June 25, my new email address is crosen@XXXXXX New Work Address: Dr. Charles L. Rosen Department of Neurosurgery West Virginia University School of Medicine Robert C. Byrd Health Sciences Center North PO Box 9183 Morgantown, WV 26506-9183 Off: (304) 293-5041 Fax: (304) 293-4819 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 19 22:55:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp7ve.mailsrvcs.net (smtp7vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.28]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5K2tBO27066 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 22:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltrgyst.tennisbooks.com (adsl-151-200-19-35.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.19.35]) by smtp7ve.mailsrvcs.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA35259981 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:54:58 GMT Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010619224808.00aa4570@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 22:54:18 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: How shops bill labor -- was "new shop rip off??" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_193771190==_.ALT" --=====================_193771190==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:51 PM 6/19/01, ThomasAJordan@XXXXXX wrote: >Flat rate. Gotta love the flat rate. (I know I do!) Book says a job takes >three hours. That's what is costs the customer. Mechanic does it in 1.5 >hours. That's how he makes money. A GOOD mechanic will turn in 16-20 hours of >labor in an 8 hour work day.... Exactly. Any gas station mechanic who couldn't change pads and dust seals, bleed and top off on *both* front wheels of a *car* in less than an hour wouldn't have a job. Can any bike be that much more difficult? The other part is the price of the pads. Sounds like you're paying around double retail price for OEM pads at $80. -- Larry '01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco (Back tomorrow! Yippee!) '84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike) '01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small emergency backup bike) --=====================_193771190==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 08:51 PM 6/19/01, ThomasAJordan@XXXXXX wrote:
Flat rate. Gotta love the flat rate. (I know I do!) Book says a job takes
three hours. That's what is costs the customer. Mechanic does it in 1.5
hours. That's how he makes money. A GOOD mechanic will turn in 16-20 hours of
labor in an 8 hour work day....

Exactly. Any gas station mechanic who couldn't change pads and
dust seals, bleed and top off on *both* front wheels of a *car* in
less than an hour wouldn't have a job. Can any bike be that much
more difficult?

The other part is the price of the pads. Sounds like you're paying
around double retail price for OEM pads at $80.

-- Larry
'01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco (Back tomorrow! Yippee!)
'84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike)
'01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small
emergency backup bike)

--=====================_193771190==_.ALT-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 19 23:38:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5K3cmO27794 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 23:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f5K3ciH09422; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 23:38:44 -0400 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: ThomasAJordan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: How shops bill labor -- was "new shop rip off??" Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 23:38:44 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01061923384407.25851@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, ThomasAJordan@XXXXXX wrote: > > Flat rate. Gotta love the flat rate. (I know I do!) Book says a job takes > three hours. That's what is costs the customer. Mechanic does it in 1.5 > hours. That's how he makes money. A GOOD mechanic will turn in 16-20 hours > of labor in an 8 hour work day.... Only because people in this area are mostly clueless and will pay it. With bike shops, you're kind of hosed around here - they all suck... but there are MANY independant garages (for cars) that will not screw you like this. Our shop charges $45 an hour labor, and you get billed for the actual labor with a one hour min being the only caveat. Of course, Dover DE is a LOT cheaper than Metro DC :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 00:06:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from m11.boston.juno.com (m11.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5K46eO28249 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 00:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"fTLSAcSSZ0OO+O1u10jMXEtXkzmJGV9uLTjNuBk8BeuUFLuv/xW/lw=="> Received: (from celticracing@XXXXXX) by m11.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id F8CN55ZJ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 00:05:51 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 00:02:25 -0400 Subject: Fast Lane Cycles Dyno Shootout/Open House this Sunday 6/24 Message-ID: <20010620.000423.-624911.3.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-3,5-13,15,17,19 From: Tom Fitzpatrick That's right - the 7th annual dyno shootout in downtown Chantilly, VA. Prizes galore. Also mind numbing discounts on all 'in-stock' rider apparel - 15% over dealer cost! Contact Fast Lane Cycles for details. Drop on by, say hello, enjoy some free food, and have a great time. Hope to see you there! Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX (703)818-8890 (www.fastlanecycles.com) *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (www.racingleather.com) *A.F.S. Contractor Inc.-Home Insurance Recovery Specialist (www.unitedwebuild.com/afs.html) *Janet Bell TAX Preparation, Accounting and Consulting (belljan@XXXXXX) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 00:11:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.141]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5K4BvO28262 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 00:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.com ([24.15.187.164]) by femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010620041139.EDXQ7768.femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com@XXXXXX>; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:11:39 -0700 Message-ID: <3B302296.C856B64D@home.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 00:12:06 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: roach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Baltimore shop....rip off? References: <20010619212802.89624.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> <01061918140906.25851@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian Roach wrote: > > On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Glenn Dysart wrote: > > You guys seem to be missing something hear... Any > > decent shop should own a bleeder tool that hooks to an > > air compressor and sucks the fluid through with zero > > bubbles. Changing the brake or clutch fluid with one > > of those takes minutes at most. At $180 I'm thinking > > of buying one myself. > > I was going to mention this :) Thanks Glenn. > > Even using a MightyVac manual pump bleeder takes a lot less than an hour. I haven't had much luck with the MightyVac and bleeding the Connie brakes - somehow they still end up spongy. Not sure what I'm doing wrong. Maybe it's just a Connie thing. Anyway, I'm gonna try a different method, fill up a pump-style oil can with brake fluid, and fill up the calipers, hoses, and master cylinder from the bottom up. Hopefully I'll get better results that way. Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 00:18:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5K4ILO28410 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 00:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f5K4IHH09932; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 00:18:18 -0400 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman , roach@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Baltimore shop....rip off? Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 00:18:17 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX References: <20010619212802.89624.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> <01061918140906.25851@www.mostlyharmless.net> <3B302296.C856B64D@home.com> In-Reply-To: <3B302296.C856B64D@home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01062000181708.25851@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Dale Horstman wrote: > > I haven't had much luck with the MightyVac and bleeding the Connie > brakes - somehow they still end up spongy. Not sure what I'm > doing wrong. Maybe it's just a Connie thing. Anyway, I'm gonna > try a different method, fill up a pump-style oil can with brake > fluid, and fill up the calipers, hoses, and master cylinder from > the bottom up. Hopefully I'll get better results that way. Does the connie have a top bleed screw near the banjo bolts? If so you can suck fluid up from the bottom using the mightyVac. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 01:00:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.141]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5K50dO29093 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 01:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.com ([24.15.187.164]) by femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010620050037.FPUG7768.femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com@XXXXXX>; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 22:00:37 -0700 Message-ID: <3B302E11.FDEF6288@home.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 01:01:05 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: roach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Baltimore shop....rip off? References: <20010619212802.89624.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> <01061918140906.25851@www.mostlyharmless.net> <3B302296.C856B64D@home.com> <01062000181708.25851@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian Roach wrote: > Does the connie have a top bleed screw near the banjo bolts? If so you can > suck fluid up from the bottom using the mightyVac. No, but I wish it did. There's gotta be air hiding somewhere in the lines or the crossover. Hork -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 GS850G, '87 Concours - project bikes From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 07:03:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5KB3QO05499 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 07:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-6.patriot.net [209.249.181.6]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5KB3G418122; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 07:03:16 -0400 Message-ID: <3B30818F.EDB138E4@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 06:57:19 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: roach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Baltimore shop....rip off? References: <20010619212802.89624.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> <01061918140906.25851@www.mostlyharmless.net> <3B302296.C856B64D@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > I haven't had much luck with the MightyVac and bleeding the Connie > brakes - somehow they still end up spongy. Not sure what I'm > doing wrong. Maybe it's just a Connie thing. Anyway, I'm gonna > try a different method, fill up a pump-style oil can with brake > fluid, and fill up the calipers, hoses, and master cylinder from > the bottom up. Hopefully I'll get better results that way. > > Horkster Bottom loading is the best method of bleeding bike brakes. I thought about giving it a try also, but I was a little short on shade-tree engineering piecy-parts to cobble together a rig. Method two, gravity bleeding from the master cylinder down worked in the end but it took for-freaking-ever. But that bike had one caliper, one line. I'd hate to try it on the bagger with two lines and calipers. Methinks I'd have to refreash my garage word vocab for that project. Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 07:53:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5KBr8O06300 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 07:53:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cs724762 (Gary [192.168.0.229]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA22971; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 07:01:10 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: , "Tl1000 List" Subject: Mladin being fined by AMA! Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 07:50:09 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3B30818F.EDB138E4@patriot.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal This is unbelievable. It matters not if you like Mat Mladin. The last time I checked it was a free country. He is being find and having a point deducted for his comments. http://www.amasuperbike.com/pole_loud_01_presc.htm http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=2153 I contacted AMA and told them what they could do with my membership. Gary Foreman (TL Owners Club) mailto:gary@XXXXXX http://www.tl1000.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 08:03:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5KC3cO06476 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 08:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 08:03:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200106200803.AA231998010@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Mladin being fined by AMA! X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Gary Foreman" >This is unbelievable. It matters not if you like Mat Mladin. The last time >I checked it was a free country. He is being find and having a point >deducted for his comments. >http://www.amasuperbike.com/pole_loud_01_presc.htm >http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=2153 I'd like to know what he said. The first link above just has him criticizing Bostrom for allegedly blocking him, but http://www.amasuperbike.com/matfined01loud.htm says: "... Mladin instead opened the press conference using profanity at times to criticize New Hampshire International Speedway, an AMA Pro Racing official, a newspaper reporter and fellow competitors. " Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 08:11:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5KCBQO06596 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 08:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cs724762 (Gary [192.168.0.229]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA23142; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 07:19:27 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: , Subject: RE: Mladin being fined by AMA! Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 08:08:25 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200106200803.AA231998010@mail.toward.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal That's strange, the Cyclenews link worked yesterday. Maybe AMA is fining them too :-) Gary -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 8:04 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mladin being fined by AMA! ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Gary Foreman" >This is unbelievable. It matters not if you like Mat Mladin. The last time >I checked it was a free country. He is being find and having a point >deducted for his comments. >http://www.amasuperbike.com/pole_loud_01_presc.htm >http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=2153 I'd like to know what he said. The first link above just has him criticizing Bostrom for allegedly blocking him, but http://www.amasuperbike.com/matfined01loud.htm says: "... Mladin instead opened the press conference using profanity at times to criticize New Hampshire International Speedway, an AMA Pro Racing official, a newspaper reporter and fellow competitors. " Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 08:40:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9604.mail.yahoo.com (web9604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5KCegO07076 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 08:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010620124040.78067.qmail@web9604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.11.149.33] by web9604.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 05:40:40 PDT Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 05:40:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannette Subject: RE: Mladin being fined by AMA! To: Gary Foreman , cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'd like to see it, too. :-( Could you give us a summary? Did he just cuss out some people? So WHAT? - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 --- Gary Foreman wrote: > That's strange, the Cyclenews link worked yesterday. > Maybe AMA is fining > them too :-) > > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 8:04 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Mladin being fined by AMA! > > > ---------- Original Message > ---------------------------------- > From: "Gary Foreman" > >This is unbelievable. It matters not if you like > Mat Mladin. The last > time > >I checked it was a free country. He is being find > and having a point > >deducted for his comments. > >http://www.amasuperbike.com/pole_loud_01_presc.htm > >http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=2153 > > > I'd like to know what he said. The first link above > just has him > criticizing Bostrom for allegedly blocking him, but > http://www.amasuperbike.com/matfined01loud.htm > says: > "... Mladin instead opened the press conference > using profanity at times to > criticize New Hampshire International Speedway, an > AMA Pro Racing official, > a newspaper reporter and fellow competitors. > " > > > Chris Norloff > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 08:55:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hermal003i0.teligent.net ([64.64.159.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5KCt9O07340 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 08:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hermal003i0.teligent.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 08:55:02 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Wimer, Peter" To: "'Jeannette'" , Gary Foreman , cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Mladin being fined by AMA! Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 08:54:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sounds to me like it's a simple case of poor sportsmanship. They do the same thing in all other sports so I don't see the big deal? Pete Wimer peter.wimer@XXXXXX -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette [mailto:gingerdc9@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 8:41 AM To: Gary Foreman; cnorloff@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Mladin being fined by AMA! I'd like to see it, too. :-( Could you give us a summary? Did he just cuss out some people? So WHAT? - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 --- Gary Foreman wrote: > That's strange, the Cyclenews link worked yesterday. > Maybe AMA is fining > them too :-) > > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 8:04 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Mladin being fined by AMA! > > > ---------- Original Message > ---------------------------------- > From: "Gary Foreman" > >This is unbelievable. It matters not if you like > Mat Mladin. The last > time > >I checked it was a free country. He is being find > and having a point > >deducted for his comments. > >http://www.amasuperbike.com/pole_loud_01_presc.htm > >http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=2153 > > > I'd like to know what he said. The first link above > just has him > criticizing Bostrom for allegedly blocking him, but > http://www.amasuperbike.com/matfined01loud.htm > says: > "... Mladin instead opened the press conference > using profanity at times to > criticize New Hampshire International Speedway, an > AMA Pro Racing official, > a newspaper reporter and fellow competitors. > " > > > Chris Norloff > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 09:10:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5KDA5O07611 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010620131003.7883.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.119.41.232] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 06:10:03 PDT Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 06:10:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "CBR's Rule" Subject: RE: Mladin being fined by AMA! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here's a link to some of the things he had to say: http://www.amasuperbike.com/mladin_has_his_say.htm What it comes down to is a complete lack of professionalism on Mladin's part. If he has safety issues with the track and the way it was being reported in the local press thats fine. He chose the wrong venue and the wrong means to express his thoughts. Imagine this scenario - You are at work and are supposed to be making a presentation about a project to the press, a large client and your management and instead of discussing the project you rant and rave about how the client sucks, the press sucks and your management sucks. I don't think you would be employed for very long. Personally, I think Mladin got off way too easy. But being the best racer in America can lead to preferential treatment. Don B -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette [mailto:gingerdc9@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 8:41 AM To: Gary Foreman; cnorloff@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Mladin being fined by AMA! I'd like to see it, too. :-( Could you give us a summary? Did he just cuss out some people? So WHAT? - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 --- Gary Foreman wrote: > That's strange, the Cyclenews link worked yesterday. > Maybe AMA is fining > them too :-) > > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 8:04 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Mladin being fined by AMA! > > > ---------- Original Message > ---------------------------------- > From: "Gary Foreman" > >This is unbelievable. It matters not if you like > Mat Mladin. The last > time > >I checked it was a free country. He is being find > and having a point > >deducted for his comments. > >http://www.amasuperbike.com/pole_loud_01_presc.htm > >http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=2153 > > > I'd like to know what he said. The first link above > just has him > criticizing Bostrom for allegedly blocking him, but > http://www.amasuperbike.com/matfined01loud.htm > says: > "... Mladin instead opened the press conference > using profanity at times to > criticize New Hampshire International Speedway, an > AMA Pro Racing official, > a newspaper reporter and fellow competitors. > " > > > Chris Norloff > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 09:13:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5KDDiO07698 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (ip30.herndon38.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.38.100.30]) by barry.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00727; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B30A196.CC7BD9C9@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:13:58 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles CC: Brian Roach Subject: Re: How shops bill labor -- was "new shop rip off??" References: <01061923384407.25851@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just throwing in my 2 cents here FWIW. But if you're looking for a good local Northern Virginia independent motorcycle shop, try Crossroads Cycles in Bailey's Crossroads (Falls Church). (703) 820-3711. Denny and his crew have done good work for me and I've always found them to be honest. Of course, you could go to Dover, DE and let that rookie Roach wrench your bike! %^) Brian Roach wrote : > > MANY independant garages (for cars) that will not screw you like this. > Our shop charges $45 an hour labor, and you get billed for the actual labor > with a one hour min being the only caveat. Of course, Dover DE is a LOT > cheaper than Metro DC :) -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 09:21:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9607.mail.yahoo.com (web9607.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.186]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5KDLOO07866 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:21:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010620132122.95312.qmail@web9607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.11.149.33] by web9607.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 06:21:22 PDT Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 06:21:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannette Subject: RE: Mladin being fined by AMA! To: "CBR's Rule" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010620131003.7883.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii After reading that, he simply sounds really pissed off about the crappy track and is expressing his opinions about the safety issues. I really see no problem with that. Has this been an issue that he's brought up before? If it has, I'd be pissed off too. I see nothing wrong with what he said, personally. Am I missing something? - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 --- CBR's Rule wrote: > Here's a link to some of the things he had to say: > http://www.amasuperbike.com/mladin_has_his_say.htm > > What it comes down to is a complete lack of > professionalism on Mladin's part. If he has safety > issues with the track and the way it was being > reported in the local press thats fine. He chose > the > wrong venue and the wrong means to express his > thoughts. > > Imagine this scenario - You are at work and are > supposed to be making a presentation about a project > to the press, a large client and your management and > instead of discussing the project you rant and rave > about how the client sucks, the press sucks and your > management sucks. I don't think you would be > employed > for very long. > > Personally, I think Mladin got off way too easy. > But > being the best racer in America can lead to > preferential treatment. > > Don B > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 09:23:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5KDN2O07887 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (ip30.herndon38.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.38.100.30]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA04077 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B30A3C3.F28F5801@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:23:15 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Mladin being fined by AMA! References: <200106200803.AA231998010@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's what Motorcycle Online reported: http://news.motorcycle.com/article.motml?sid=932 Sounds like he was being fined (in no particular order) for: - Using profanity at the press conference (probably a justifiable reason to levy a fine). - Criticizing New Hampshire International Speedway, an AMA Pro Racing official, a newspaper reporter and fellow competitors (which IMHO is a bogus reason to fine anyone). Chuck, aka Deerhunter Chris Norloff wrote: > > I'd like to know what he said. The first link above just has him criticizing Bostrom for allegedly blocking him, -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 09:37:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5KDbCO08151 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cs724762 (Gary [192.168.0.229]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA24045; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 08:42:04 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Mladin being fined by AMA! Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:31:02 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3B30A3C3.F28F5801@ix.netcom.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal I agree on the profanity. But not for the other comments. I also don't like how they stick a microphone in your face before you even dismount most of the time. No time to cool down after a frustrating run. Don't you love it after a guy crashes in the Daytona 200 they run over and ask "so, how do you feel?" Sometimes I'm surprised they don't get punched out :-) Gary -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 9:23 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Mladin being fined by AMA! Here's what Motorcycle Online reported: http://news.motorcycle.com/article.motml?sid=932 Sounds like he was being fined (in no particular order) for: - Using profanity at the press conference (probably a justifiable reason to levy a fine). - Criticizing New Hampshire International Speedway, an AMA Pro Racing official, a newspaper reporter and fellow competitors (which IMHO is a bogus reason to fine anyone). Chuck, aka Deerhunter Chris Norloff wrote: > > I'd like to know what he said. The first link above just has him criticizing Bostrom for allegedly blocking him, -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 09:45:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13006.mail.yahoo.com (web13006.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5KDj5O08337 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010620134503.53577.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.101.4.236] by web13006.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 06:45:03 PDT Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 06:45:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeremy Purdy Subject: Why do you ride? (update) To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For any of you who missed my original posting, I am attempting to satisfy my own personal curiosity as to the demographic makeup of this forum by running a short survey. The results of this highly unscientific survey will be posted on Sunday. This posting includes some additional responses to a couple of questions, including: the addition of Standard and Sport Touring Bike to the list of motorcycle types for Question 1. Leaving out Standard was simply an oversight. I had been lumping Sport Tourers in with Tourers, but due to the public outcry, I guess I can accept them as a separate type of MC. There are also additional responses to the Why did you start riding question. If anyone desires to change a previous answer to one of the new answers, just let me know off-line, so that I can update your response. BTW: I just realized that I am reading everyone else's responses, but I have not posted my own. So, for what it's worth: 1. e. Cruiser 2. a. Every Day, rain or shine 3. a. 12 4. d. 25-34 5. d. 25-34 6. c. To connect with the world around me 7. b. No 1. Is your primary motorcycle: a. Sport Bike b. Touring Bike c. Dual Sport d. Dirt Bike e. Cruiser f. Racing Bike g. Standard h. Sport Touring Bike 2. During the summer months, on average, how often do you ride? a. Every Day, rain or shine b. Every day except for bad weather c. 3-5 days a week d. 1-2 days a week e. < 1 day a week 3. How many months a year do you ride? a. 12 b. 9-11 c. 5-8 d. < 5 4. What age group are you in? (All responses will be held strictly confidential) a. 55+ b. 45-54 c. 35-44 d. 25-34 e. <25 f. Prefer not to answer 5. How old were you when you first started riding? a. 55+ b. 45-54 c. 35-44 d. 25-34 e. 15-24 f. <15 6. Why did you start riding (best answer only)? a. Need for Speed b. To emulate a hero (movie star, racer, etc.) c. To connect with the world around me d. To make driving fun e. To join a group f. Because family members/friends did g. Convenience / Affordability (includes commuting / parking) h. That Certain Je Ne Sais Quois (I don't know what - for those who don't know French) i. Freedom of the Open Road j. Needed for Work k. Other 7. Do you race motorcycles? a. Yes b. No From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 09:59:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5KDx9O08527 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id r.59.bf03043 (3968); Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:58:48 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <59.bf03043.28620618@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:58:48 EDT Subject: Re: Why do you ride? (update) To: purdyjeremy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 123 > 1. Is your primary motorcycle: a. Sport Bike -GSXR1000 =8-)) > 2. During the summer months, on average, how often do > you ride? c. 3-5 days a week > 3. How many months a year do you ride? b. 9-11 Race season baby!!! Feb-Oct!!! > 4. What age group are you in? (All responses will be > held strictly confidential) d. 25-34 > 5. How old were you when you first started riding? e. 15-24 > 6. Why did you start riding (best answer only)? f. Because family members/friends did > 7. Do you race motorcycles? a. Yes That would be HELL YES! :) Is this where we write our essay on our summer biking adventures? :-)) Keener From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 10:14:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web3806.mail.yahoo.com (web3806.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.111.177]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5KEE0O08760 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010620141357.12842.qmail@web3806.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.120] by web3806.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 07:13:57 PDT Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 07:13:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: RE: Mladin being fined by AMA! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010620131003.7883.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I couldn't disagree more. Judging from the article, I thought Mladin was right on target. Don't forget that it's his life on the line out there - in my opinion that allows him to voice WHATEVER safety concerns he has in any forum available to him. IMO, he earns that right whenever he goes out onto the track. Your scenario is flawed in several ways. There's no one's personal safety involved in your example. If you want to go with this comparison, though, it's more like having a conference in a crappy hotel - don't think the hotel management and the person in the company who chose that hotel wouldn't hear about THAT. Chris Weaver --- CBR's Rule wrote: > Here's a link to some of the things he had to say: > http://www.amasuperbike.com/mladin_has_his_say.htm > Imagine this scenario - You are at work and are > supposed to be making a presentation about a project > to the press, a large client and your management and > instead of discussing the project you rant and rave > about how the client sucks, the press sucks and your > management sucks. I don't think you would be > employed > for very long. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 10:15:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.ncifcrf.gov (mail.NCIFCRF.GOV [129.43.100.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5KEFnO08839 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mitko10 (mitko1.NCIFCRF.GOV [129.43.47.173]) by mail.ncifcrf.gov (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5KEFkR18636 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20010620100702.00c15ed0@mail.ncifcrf.gov> X-Sender: wilsonl@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:11:19 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Lori Wilson Subject: Re: Why do you ride? In-Reply-To: <20010620134503.53577.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed 1. e Cruiser and g. Standard about equally 2. a. Every Day, rain or shine 3. a. 12 4. d. 25-34 5. d. 25-34 6. f. because family members/friends did 7. b. no From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 10:20:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5KEKoO08921 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.38]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GF80094BFRZPS@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 14:19:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GF800001FRZ8U@XXXXXX>; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 14:19:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GF800M2LFRKOT@XXXXXX>; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 14:18:56 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:18:43 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Mladin being fined by AMA! To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3B30B0C3.F843958B@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200106200803.AA231998010@mail.toward.com> Chris Norloff wrote: > > "... Mladin instead opened the press conference using profanity at times to criticize New Hampshire International Speedway, an AMA Pro Racing official, a newspaper reporter and fellow competitors. > " Well, he lost a point, he's got 230 points left in his lead. Think he'll take every opportunity from now until the end of the season to bitch loudly about the AMA? I hope so... :) -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 10:22:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from stmpy-2.cais.net (stmpy-2.cais.net [205.252.14.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5KEMIO08931 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dc38.dynamic.cais.com [207.226.209.38]) by stmpy-2.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f5KEMF509579 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000001c0f98a$9a483380$26d1e2cf@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Huh? Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:31:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 As I recall this topic once brought forth chuckles. No offense if times have changed -- Sighted parked in 1800 blk of M Street Sunday afternoon: A gorgeous gleaming Harley dresser, hard to look at for the sparkle, deep red (magenta?) and chrome (think Fathers Day gift). Surprised it was let out of its case. And on the back -- DC MC tag -- sporting the disability wheelchair icon! Thought about waiting around to discover the explanation, but didn't. Bill S. / DC [99 VN750] Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 10:29:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5KET4O09020 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:29:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-116-113.s113.tnt10.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.116.113] helo=palladio) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #6) id 15Ciya-0006Zf-00 ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:29:01 -0400 Message-ID: <003901c0f995$e7625b40$bb82fea9@palladio> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Jeremy Purdy" , "DC-Cycles" References: <20010620134503.53577.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Why do you ride? (update) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:31:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Jeremy and other interested parties: This survey would be a good application for an on-line database entry system. Check out the one Mike Troutman did for the VFR list. www.troutman.org/vfr It's incredibly detailed and has a good percentage of the VFR list membership on it for the demographically curious. Perhaps there is a DB developer out there who can put a similar one together for the DC Cycles list. That way a human (i.e. Jeremy) doesn't have to plug in all the information. It would be an interesting addition to the dccycles.com site. Laura? Paul in DC 95 VFR750F http://users.erols.com/pawilson From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 10:37:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5KEb9O09180 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f5KEb7H10752 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:37:07 -0400 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mladin being fined by AMA! Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:37:06 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20010620131003.7883.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010620131003.7883.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01062010370609.25851@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Please, PLEASE visit www.roadracingworld.com and get the actual facts vs. what the AMA spin doctors are shoveling. Mat Mladin is being fined because he pissed off Merril Vanderslice (Current dictator, er, director of AMA pro racing). This is a huge issue that is bigger than Matt Mladin saying the word "shit" once in a press conference at Loudoun (and not in any context directed toward the AMA - he was referring to a local newspaper report about himself he felt was erroneous). A transcript of a taped recording on the conference is available on roadracingworld, along with more AMA nonsense that went on. Did you know why the 600cc race wasn't telivised on speedvision? Only 12 riders (All local loudoun privateers, no factory riders) took to the grid after Merril dictated that the race would be run regardless of what the riders wanted in terms of a safety (It was starting to rain). If you are an AMA member, please look on the aforementioned site at what John Ulrich (Editor/owner Roadracingworld) wants to do with the AMA - quitting only leaves it in the hands of Merril Vanderslice and Co - voting for change in the comming elections is the only way to Take Back the AMA! - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 10:44:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5KEigO09290 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 23666 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2001 07:44:34 -0700 Received: from w156.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net (HELO laura) (216.112.246.156) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.165) with SMTP; 20 Jun 2001 07:44:34 -0700 X-Sent: 20 Jun 2001 14:44:34 GMT Message-ID: <08bb01c0f997$d67bf640$9cf670d8@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Chris Weaver" , References: <20010620141357.12842.qmail@web3806.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Mladin being fined by AMA! Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:46:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 > I couldn't disagree more. Judging from the article, I > thought Mladin was right on target. Don't forget that > it's his life on the line out there - in my opinion > that allows him to voice WHATEVER safety concerns he > has in any forum available to him. IMO, he earns that > right whenever he goes out onto the track. > I agree totally. Chris is right on. These guys race in tons of different conditions, ones that I would *never* put myself in. For Mladin, or anyone for that matter, to say that safety is a concern, I would have to believe him. He had every right to make that choice. If I feel unsafe on the track or feel conditions aren't right, I just don't race, or pull in early...to me, it's no big deal. I'm not chasing points or riding for a factory team. For him to not want to ride meant things really weren't right. I'm floored, well, not really, that the AMA would be so damn disrespectful to any rider in that situation. It's just one more indication that the AMA doesn't care about its riders...total crap. LAG From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 10:48:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from fastandwily.com (003.066.021.004.virginia.com [4.21.66.3] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5KEmAO09381 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:46:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200106201046.AA50659560@fastandwily.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Scott Luttrell" Reply-To: To: Jeremy Purdy CC: "DC Cycle mailing list" Subject: Re: Why do you ride? (update) X-Mailer: 1. F Sportbike Racer not Dirt 2. C 3. C 4. D 5. E 6. A,I,and H or chicks dig it 7. A Scott Luttrell Fast & Wily Racing www.fastandwily.com ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Jeremy Purdy Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 06:45:03 -0700 (PDT) >For any of you who missed my original posting, I am >attempting to satisfy my own personal curiosity as to >the demographic makeup of this forum by running a >short survey. > >The results of this highly unscientific survey will be >posted on Sunday. > >This posting includes some additional responses to a >couple of questions, including: the addition of >Standard and Sport Touring Bike to the list of >motorcycle types for Question 1. Leaving out Standard >was simply an oversight. I had been lumping Sport >Tourers in with Tourers, but due to the public outcry, >I guess I can accept them as a separate type of MC. > >There are also additional responses to the Why did you >start riding question. If anyone desires to change a >previous answer to one of the new answers, just let me >know off-line, so that I can update your response. > >BTW: I just realized that I am reading everyone else's >responses, but I have not posted my own. So, for what >it's worth: >1. e. Cruiser >2. a. Every Day, rain or shine >3. a. 12 >4. d. 25-34 >5. d. 25-34 >6. c. To connect with the world around me >7. b. No > > >1. Is your primary motorcycle: > a. Sport Bike > b. Touring Bike > c. Dual Sport > d. Dirt Bike > e. Cruiser > f. Racing Bike > g. Standard > h. Sport Touring Bike > >2. During the summer months, on average, how often do >you ride? > a. Every Day, rain or shine > b. Every day except for bad weather > c. 3-5 days a week > d. 1-2 days a week > e. < 1 day a week > >3. How many months a year do you ride? > a. 12 > b. 9-11 > c. 5-8 > d. < 5 > >4. What age group are you in? (All responses will be >held strictly confidential) > a. 55+ > b. 45-54 > c. 35-44 > d. 25-34 > e. <25 > f. Prefer not to answer > >5. How old were you when you first started riding? > a. 55+ > b. 45-54 > c. 35-44 > d. 25-34 > e. 15-24 > f. <15 > >6. Why did you start riding (best answer only)? > a. Need for Speed > b. To emulate a hero (movie star, racer, etc.) > c. To connect with the world around me > d. To make driving fun > e. To join a group > f. Because family members/friends did > g. Convenience / Affordability (includes commuting / >parking) > h. That Certain Je Ne Sais Quois (I don't know what >- for those who don't know French) > i. Freedom of the Open Road > j. Needed for Work > k. Other > >7. Do you race motorcycles? > a. Yes > b. No > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 10:49:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5KEnjO09401 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 2.26.170de7de (17235) for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:49:39 -0400 (EDT) From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Message-ID: <26.170de7de.28621202@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:49:38 EDT Subject: Re: Mladin being fined by AMA! - synopsis To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 He just used the word "shit", commented on the continued poor quality of Loudoun, said some fellow riders needed to go back to club racing to learn the rules (he was pissed that Bostrom and someone else was blocking him during his qualifying lap), and blasted the local press for their coverage. It may have been a bit over the top for a press conference but fining $5000 and subtracting a point from his total (which is the worse punishment!) is too harsh. Just wait and see if the Superbike championship comes down to one point, then you will see an even bigger stink! From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 10:54:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5KEsWO09510 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:54:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 2.9c.fa42e74 (17235) for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:54:22 -0400 (EDT) From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Message-ID: <9c.fa42e74.2862131e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:54:22 EDT Subject: Re: Why do you ride? (update) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 << 1. Is your primary motorcycle: a. Sport Bike 2. During the summer months, on average, how often do you ride? c. 3-5 days a week 3. How many months a year do you ride? a. 12 4. What age group are you in? (All responses will be held strictly confidential) d. 25-34 5. How old were you when you first started riding? e. 15-24 6. Why did you start riding (best answer only)? a. Need for Speed 7. Do you race motorcycles? a. Yes - not lately though From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 10:58:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5KEw7O09598 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 31537 invoked by uid 1001); 20 Jun 2001 14:58:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20010620145805.31536.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com for [209.117.173.15] via web-mailer on Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:57:59 -0500 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:57:59 -0500 Subject: Re: How shops bill labor What I don't get is why shops don't bother to even buy the right tools for the job. Case in point: Kayaba forks have a damper rod with notches cut into it (reverse socket) to hold the damn thing stationary as one endevors to loosen or tighten the fork oil bolt. NOBODY has one around here. They just use an air impact wrench. That's excusable when undoing it I guess. But what about when you need to tighten the thing? To 60Nm? "Oh, we just air impact it on." Well, I have news for you jokers, when one end is spinning free it's mighty damn hard to get it to tighten down much above 40Nm. Not to mention, since when does an impact wrench substitute for a torque wrench? Worse, should they have the tool for the job, they steadfastly REFUSE to let me use it in the corner of their garage. No, I must schedule an appointment, wait an hour for a mech to be free so he can take all of 2 minutes to put something in a vise and undo the stinking fastener. And then have the audacity to charge me .4 hour for their efforts. hey you want money I'll give you 5 or even 10 bucks on a generous day. Or refuse to let me borrow a socket wrench to remove a wheel so they can work on it. "bring the wheel in your car." WTF is wrong with you people? I rode my bike here. I'll spare your overtasked mechanics a good 1/2 hour of labor and give you just the wheel. But no. "don't want customers wrenching in the parking lot." Oh, spare me the crap already. Or I need to borrow a carb idle tool for 2 shakes to turn the screws. The service mgr was thankfully AWOL so I chatted the mech who threw me the tool without a 2nd thought. Is it any wonder I do my own damn work? Their attitude is incredible. Sometimes I think I'd like to join MeLadden in voicing my frustration with bike shop service departments. Heck, I can borrow hundreds of dollars worth of car tools from TrakAuto for a WEEK and they don't even bat an eye. -- "In a free society, standards of public morality can be measured only by whether physical coercion or violence against persons or property occurs. There is no right not to be offended by words, actions or symbols." - Richard E. Sincere, JR. _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 10:59:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5KExkO09620 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CPISERV2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:55:07 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, purdyjeremy@XXXXXX Subject: Why do you ride? (update) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:55:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" 1. c. Dual Sport 2. a. Every Day, rain or shine 3. a. 12 4. d. 25-34 5. e. 15-24 6. c. To connect with the world around me 7. b. No Bests, Erik From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 11:02:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5KF2UO09713 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CPISERV2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:57:56 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: mobacc@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Huh? Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:57:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f5KF2VO09714 Being handicapped doesn't preclude motorcycle riding. See for instance the following book (http://www.whitehorsepress.com/OnlineCatalog/Sections/ProdData/edge.HTM), which is pretty damn impressive! Riding the Edge is an incredible journey by any standard, and to Dave Barr and the people heM-^Rs inspired, itM-^Rs a dream come true. Barr is a rugged, extraordinary adventurer who rode his 1972 Harley-Davidson around the world despite the loss of both legs in an anti-tank mine explosion in Angola in 1981. His trip lasted four years, covering six continents and 83,000 miles! He crossed several African deserts, circled the continent of Australia, and negotiated the Andes during avalanche season, visiting cities and small towns and meeting dramatically different people from every corner of the world. Many of them lent a helping hand to Barr as he traveled alone through dangerous terrain, bad weather, and challenging roads. One of only 100 people to have circumnavigated the world on a motorcycle, Dave is the first person with a major disability to do so. On an epic journey of self-exploration, Barr single-handedly created a whole new set of rules for world travel. His book is written with great humor and candor, in a familiar style that feels as if heM-^Rs sitting right next to you. Experiencing the world with Dave Barr as your guide will provide you with a fascinating change of perspective. -----Original Message----- From: mobacc [mailto:mobacc@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 8:31 PM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Huh? As I recall this topic once brought forth chuckles. No offense if times have changed -- Sighted parked in 1800 blk of M Street Sunday afternoon: A gorgeous gleaming Harley dresser, hard to look at for the sparkle, deep red (magenta?) and chrome (think Fathers Day gift). Surprised it was let out of its case. And on the back -- DC MC tag -- sporting the disability wheelchair icon! Thought about waiting around to discover the explanation, but didn't. Bill S. / DC [99 VN750] Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 11:23:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from fastandwily.com (003.066.021.004.virginia.com [4.21.66.3] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5KFNJO10116 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:21:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200106201121.AA47251658@fastandwily.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Scott Luttrell" Reply-To: To: "DC Cycle mailing list" Subject: Re: How shops bill labor X-Mailer: I've turned wrenches for a couple motorcycle shops, and a few auto shops as both an hourly and a flat rate mechanic, and it dosen't do the shop any good to loan tools out. Track Auto loans tools because there business isn't in repairing cars. These shops are there to make money not give you free labor or tool use. It dosen't look good to have customers turning wrenches in the parking lot, whats that say about your shop if your customers would rather do their own work in the parking lot? You may think that your local shop should have every tool ever made for you to borrow whenever you feel like you need it but the fact is that tools aren't cheap and why have an expensive tool laying aorund that you'll never use or get your money back from. I will agree that if the say they'll do the job then they should have the correct tools, but you can't expect them to allow you use of these tool to save you a buck that could be in there pay check. Scott Luttrell Fast & Wily Racing www.fastandwily.com ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Matthew Patton" Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:57:59 -0500 >What I don't get is why shops don't bother to even buy the right tools for the job. Case in point: Kayaba forks have a damper rod with notches cut into it (reverse socket) to hold the damn thing stationary as one endevors to loosen or tighten the fork oil bolt. NOBODY has one around here. They just use an air impact wrench. That's excusable when undoing it I guess. But what about when you need to tighten the thing? To 60Nm? "Oh, we just air impact it on." Well, I have news for you jokers, when one end is spinning free it's mighty damn hard to get it to tighten down much above 40Nm. Not to mention, since when does an impact wrench substitute for a torque wrench? > >Worse, should they have the tool for the job, they steadfastly REFUSE to let me use it in the corner of their garage. No, I must schedule an appointment, wait an hour for a mech to be free so he can take all of 2 minutes to put something in a vise and undo the stinking fastener. > >And then have the audacity to charge me .4 hour for their efforts. hey you want money I'll give you 5 or even 10 bucks on a generous day. > >Or refuse to let me borrow a socket wrench to remove a wheel so they can work on it. "bring the wheel in your car." WTF is wrong with you people? I rode my bike here. I'll spare your overtasked mechanics a good 1/2 hour of labor and give you just the wheel. But no. "don't want customers wrenching in the parking lot." Oh, spare me the crap already. Or I need to borrow a carb idle tool for 2 shakes to turn the screws. The service mgr was thankfully AWOL so I chatted the mech who threw me the tool without a 2nd thought. > >Is it any wonder I do my own damn work? Their attitude is incredible. > >Sometimes I think I'd like to join MeLadden in voicing my frustration with bike shop service departments. Heck, I can borrow hundreds of dollars worth of car tools from TrakAuto for a WEEK and they don't even bat an eye. >-- > > >"In a free society, standards of public morality can be measured > only by whether physical coercion or violence against persons or > property occurs. There is no right not to be offended by words, > actions or symbols." - Richard E. Sincere, JR. > > > >_______________________________________________ >Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com > > >Powered by Outblaze > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 11:24:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h007.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f5KFO2O10136 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 25525 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2001 08:23:55 -0700 Received: from w156.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net (HELO laura) (216.112.246.156) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.171) with SMTP; 20 Jun 2001 08:23:55 -0700 X-Sent: 20 Jun 2001 15:23:55 GMT Message-ID: <08e501c0f99d$55c48ca0$9cf670d8@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: paging NIV!!! Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:26:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Hey Niv: send me your email again...you got some awesome shots at summit. Want to send them to you!!! :-) Laura From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 11:38:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5KFcQO10423 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:38:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from roadrash [192.9.200.199] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.R) for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:36:38 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re: How shops bill labor Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:35:19 -0400 Message-ID: <000501c0f99e$9d550e40$c7c809c0@roadrash> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.199 Most of you seem to forget that these guys do this to make a living. If I was to do brakes for a complete stranger, even if I had all the best equipment and could do it in a small amount of time, I'd charge a couple hundred bucks. Just do the math. Take a reasonable yearly salary for the area, figure out the hourly rate just for the guys time. Then at least double that for rent on the building, supplies, phones, ads, etc. etc. etc. As far as borrowing tools goes, the mechanics usually pay for their own tools out of their own pockets. If they've had bad experiences in the past with people taking or mangling their stuff ... Lets face it, give someone an inch, they'll take a mile (you IT people should understand that). The reason they often don't have the correct tool ... they have to pay for it. If they would save a half hour on three jobs a year with a tool, they might not find it a worthwhile investment. I'll not even get into insurance liability of allowing you into the corner of the shop with a tool. If I did it for a living ... just what I need is a distraction to keep me from doing some real work. It may seem minor to you, but if you distract me enough to make me forget to tighten a bolt somewhere it could get bad. That's why they really don't want you in the shop. That said, there are many shop mechanics around here who go to the exreme to be a**holes. I'd say at some of the dealerships, they are following the examples of their bosses. At smaller shops, if you find the owner, your problems are usually resolved in a more friendly manner. You just have to keep in mind that at the end of the day, he has a large pile of bills to pay. If he lends you his tools and shop, or charges you nominal fees to bleed brakes, that isn't going to happen. I guarantee none of these guys lives in a mansion in Potomac because they "rip you off for brakes". Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 11:51:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5KFpDO10697 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f5KFp5H10940 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:51:11 -0400 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mladin being fined by AMA! Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:51:05 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20010620141357.12842.qmail@web3806.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010620141357.12842.qmail@web3806.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0106201151050A.25851@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Correct. Mat Mladin doesn't work for the AMA. He works for Suzuki. In theory, the AMA works for Suzuki as well - though you wouldn't know it. AMA Pro racing *should* be working to please their customers - the racers. Without the racers, there is no AMA Pro Racing. THe reverse is not true - there are other orgs in the country that would be HAPPY to be the #1 pro racing sanctioning body. As it is, they use strongarm tactics and have the stance that it's "Our way or the highway". And it keeps getting worse at every venue. This SAME thing happened last year at Loudoun. Except with even MORE disregard to riders. After the Superbike riders refused to ride in the rain, Merill V and AMA Pro racing decided to send out the Pro Thunder guys - after all, no factory involvment there - noone with any clout to complain. When several riders mentioned this was rather unsettling, the response from the track and the AMA was "We'll double the purse for anyone man enough to go out there". This, my friends, is BS. - Roach On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Chris Weaver wrote: > I couldn't disagree more. Judging from the article, I > thought Mladin was right on target. Don't forget that > it's his life on the line out there - in my opinion > that allows him to voice WHATEVER safety concerns he > has in any forum available to him. IMO, he earns that > right whenever he goes out onto the track. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 11:57:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5KFvIO10795 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id m.4f.d4bb876 (3968); Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:56:49 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <4f.d4bb876.286221c1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:56:49 EDT Subject: Re: Mladin being fined by AMA! To: roach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 123 > This SAME thing happened last year at Loudoun. Except with even MORE > disregard to riders. After the Superbike riders refused to ride in the rain, > Merill V and AMA Pro racing decided to send out the Pro Thunder guys - after > all, no factory involvment there - noone with any clout to complain. When > several riders mentioned this was rather unsettling, the response from the > track and the AMA was "We'll double the purse for anyone man enough to go > out there". They knew that a lot of the Pro Thunder guys would like to be seen publicly and maybe get a shot at better sponsership. Those guys usually also could use the cash. (Especially in a smaller field!) Either way....Merrill V seems to be a pretty pathetic person. Some of the comments attributed to him are ridiculous. So much for giving a damn about the riders. > This, my friends, is BS. Yup. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 12:02:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5KG2HO10890 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (ip53.herndon35.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.38.106.53]) by hall.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA18639; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B30C90E.FE0BA1D3@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:02:22 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: roach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mladin being fined by AMA! References: <20010620141357.12842.qmail@web3806.mail.yahoo.com> <0106201151050A.25851@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps this is also a contributing factor as to why crowds are relatively small at AMA races (even Daytona doesn't pack the stands the way a NASCAR race does). Brian Roach wrote : > > AMA Pro racing *should* be working to please their customers - the racers. > Without the racers, there is no AMA Pro Racing. THe reverse is not true - > there are other orgs in the country that would be HAPPY to be the #1 pro > racing sanctioning body. As it is, they use strongarm tactics and have the > stance that it's "Our way or the highway". And it keeps getting worse at > every venue. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 12:02:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5KG2wO10900 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:02:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f5KG2dH10980; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:02:40 -0400 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: "Jay St. Peter" , Subject: Re: How shops bill labor Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:02:39 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: References: <000501c0f99e$9d550e40$c7c809c0@roadrash> In-Reply-To: <000501c0f99e$9d550e40$c7c809c0@roadrash> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0106201202390B.25851@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Jay St. Peter wrote: > Most of you seem to forget that these guys do this to make a living. > > If I was to do brakes for a complete stranger, even if I had all the best > equipment and could do it in a small amount of time, I'd charge a couple > hundred bucks. Just do the math. Take a reasonable yearly salary for the > area, figure out the hourly rate just for the guys time. Then at least > double that for rent on the building, supplies, phones, ads, etc. etc. etc. Ok... so why not set the hourly rate to a figure that accuratly represents this, instead of fraudulently padding the bill? And it is fraud - if I have a sign that says "Hourly rate = X" and I pad my bill beyond the time it took me to do the work, I'm committing a fraud on the customer. This is the reason for the "1 hour min" caveat most shops have listed in their rates - to pad in some extra billed hours on small jobs. > As far as borrowing tools goes, the mechanics usually pay for their own > tools out of their own pockets. If they've had bad experiences in the past > with people taking or mangling their stuff ... Lets face it, give someone > an inch, they'll take a mile (you IT people should understand that). The > reason they often don't have the correct tool ... they have to pay for it. > If they would save a half hour on three jobs a year with a tool, they might > not find it a worthwhile investment. Yup - what he said. You have to pay for your own tools, and those "special tools" from the manufacturers are NOT cheap. And from experience... the nicest people in the world often seem to forget to return tools on a regular basis. However, if it's something you use on a regular basis, I don't think it's unresonable to buy it - I've always done the same at home with my own tools - if I end up needing it more than a couple times it's probably worth buying it instead of making do with the wrong tool. > That said, there are many shop mechanics around here who go to the exreme > to be a**holes. I'd say at some of the dealerships, they are following the > examples of their bosses. At smaller shops, if you find the owner, your > problems are usually resolved in a more friendly manner. You just have to > keep in mind that at the end of the day, he has a large pile of bills to > pay. If he lends you his tools and shop, or charges you nominal fees to > bleed brakes, that isn't going to happen. I guarantee none of these guys > lives in a mansion in Potomac because they "rip you off for brakes". That's why I mentioned it's cheaper in DE - this area has a serious cost of living. Shops need to charge more to pay the mech, and pay the rent, etc. As I said, however, I believe setting a real hourly rate and charging "real time" would go over MUCH better than padding the bill in most customers' eyes. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 20 12:07:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f5KG7CO10991 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.47]) id QQkuge06840 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 16:07:10 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQkuge13958 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 16:04:23 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:04:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Mladin being fined by AMA! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1219069434==_ma============" --============_-1219069434==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Gary said: >This is unbelievable. It matters not if you like Mat Mladin. The last time >I checked it was a free country. It is a free country. But I think the Constitution's guarantees on free speech don't go this far. >I contacted AMA and told them what they could do with my membership. You're missing a HUGE, CRITICAL point here. AMA Pro-Racing is a FOR-PROFIT organization (Paradama) separate from the AMA that defends our rights as motorcyclists. You might want to call the AMA back and see if you can salvage your membership. If you bail out, instead of voting for a change in leadership, the AMA/AMA-Pro-Racing with stay the same. Chris said: >Judging from the article, I thought Mladin was right on target. >Don't forget that it's his life on the line out there - in my >opinion that allows him to voice WHATEVER safety concerns he has in >any forum available to him. Sure, but Mladin wasn't speaking ONLY on the track safety. He also decided to bash the local press. The following is quoted from Larry Lawrence, (an AMA official) posted on the WERA BBS. "As for the Mladin decision: Mat was simply way out of line when he blasted a local newspaper reporter in a press conference. The reporter (from the Concord Monitor) tried to get an interview with Mladin as he was standing under the Yosh tent. Someone with the team told the guy that Mladin was not granting interviews because of the track. So that's what the reporter wrote. The next day a very angry Mladin (you would have had to been there to feel the tension in the room) held up the paper and denounced the reporter telling him he "was tired of reading some shit"" I personally think that Mladin's comments on the track being safe and whatnot were not necessarily out of line. But as the current Superbike Champion, and as a representative of road-racing, he should have behaved better. His denouncement of the local press was brash and rude. A lot of people disagree with the way Merill Vanderslice has been running AMA Pro-Racing; I'm one of them. But this time I think he was in the right. Our sport gets very little coverage and respect in the media and in our culture. It's unfortunate that the only time we get any real coverage or discussion is when one of our leading representatives of the sport behaves like a petulant, unruly child. Some people will say that Vanderslice fined Mladin because Mladin dared to speak out against him. Maybe that's true. But if I were the one calling the shots, Mladin would not have gotten off scott-free. -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html --============_-1219069434==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Mladin being fined by AMA!
Gary said:

This is unbelievable.  It matters not if you like Mat Mladin.  The last time
I checked it was a free country.

It is a free country. But I think the Constitution's guarantees on free speech don't go this far.

I contacted AMA and told them what they could do with my membership.

You're missing a HUGE, CRITICAL point here. AMA Pro-Racing is a FOR-PROFIT organization (Paradama) separate from the AMA that defends our rights as motorcyclists. You might want to call the AMA back and see if you can salvage your membership. If you bail out, instead of voting for a change in leadership, the AMA/AMA-Pro-Racing with stay the same.

Chris said:

Judging from the article, I thought Mladin was right on target. Don't forget that it's his life on the line out there - in my opinion that allows him to voice WHATEVER safety concerns he has in any forum available to him.


Sure, but Mladin wasn't speaking ONLY on the track safety. He also decided to bash the local press.


The following is quoted from Larry Lawrence, (an AMA official) posted on the WERA BBS.

"As for the Mladin decision: Mat was simply way out of line when he blasted a local newspaper reporter in a press conference. The reporter (from the Concord Monitor) tried to get an interview with Mladin as he was standing under the Yosh tent. Someone with the team told the guy that Mladin was not granting interviews because of the track. So that's what the reporter wrote.

The next day a very angry Mladin (you would have had to been there to feel the tension in the room) held up the paper and denounced the reporter telling him he "was tired of reading some shit""

I personally think that Mladin's comments on the track being safe and whatnot were not necessarily out of line. But as the current Superbike Champion, and as a representative of road-racing, he should have behaved better. His denouncement of the local press was brash and rude. A lot of people disagree with the way Merill Vanderslice has been running AMA Pro-Racing; I'm one of them. But this time I think he was in the right. Our sport gets very little coverage and respect in the media and in our culture. It's unfortunate that the only time we get any real coverage or discussion is when one of our leading representatives of the sport behaves like a petulant, unruly child.

Some people will say that Vanderslice fined Mladin because Mladin dared to speak out against him. Maybe that's true. But if I were the one calling the shots, Mladin would not have gotten off scott-free.







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