From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun  1 08:44:25 2001
From: eschelzig@XXXXXX
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Bike Storage
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 08:39:53 -0400

Looking for some help from the travelers/movers on the list:  I am moving
abroad for about a year and need to mothball my KLR.  Everyone I've spoken
to has told me to put in high grade gasoline and some fuel stabilizer, do an
oil change, and disconnect the battery.  Sounds fine to me.  But when
talking to a moving company, they have told me that it will be necessary to
drain the bike of all fluids before they will move or store it.  This
doesn't sound like a good plan.  Has anybody had any experience in this
field?  Incidentally, I will be moving from DC to Miami, in case anyone is
wondering.

Thanks and bests,

Erik

01 KLR650

From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun  1 09:23:52 2001
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 09:22:20 -0400
To: eschelzig@XXXXXX
From: Justin Lemrow <firblt@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Bike Storage
Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

why store it?

ride it :)

Justin

>Incidentally, I will be moving from DC to Miami, in case anyone is
>wondering.
>
>Erik
>01 KLR650


From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun  1 09:28:19 2001
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 06:28:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Trey Herb <trey_22206@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Bike Storage
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

<snip>I will be moving from DC to Miami</snip>

Since when is Miami abroad. I know they don't speak
english but it is still part of the USA (last time I
checked).


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From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun  1 09:29:02 2001
From: eschelzig@XXXXXX
To: firblt@XXXXXX
Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: RE: Bike Storage
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:24:52 -0400

Sorry I wasn't clear -- the route is this :  Washington, DC -- Germany --
Miami in the span of about a year.

Erik

-----Original Message-----
From: Justin Lemrow [mailto:firblt@XXXXXX]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 9:22 AM
To: Erik Schelzig
Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Bike Storage


why store it?

ride it :)

Justin

>Incidentally, I will be moving from DC to Miami, in case anyone is
>wondering.
>
>Erik
>01 KLR650

From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun  1 10:06:30 2001
From: bergman@XXXXXX
To: eschelzig@XXXXXX
cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Bike Storage
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 10:05:12 -0400



In your message dated: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 08:39:53 EDT,
The pithy ruminations from eschelzig@XXXXXX on
<Bike Storage> were:
=> Looking for some help from the travelers/movers on the list:  I am moving
=> abroad for about a year and need to mothball my KLR.  Everyone I've spoken
=> to has told me to put in high grade gasoline and some fuel stabilizer, do an
=> oil change, and disconnect the battery.  Sounds fine to me.  But when
=> talking to a moving company, they have told me that it will be necessary to
=> drain the bike of all fluids before they will move or store it.  This
=> doesn't sound like a good plan.  Has anybody had any experience in this
=> field?  Incidentally, I will be moving from DC to Miami, in case anyone is
=> wondering.

Why not just ship the bike to Germany? There's very good riding there (those
things called the Alps, you know) and KLRs are popular. Lufthansa should be
able to do the shipping for about $650 each way, and it's really, really easy
(I've done it). You don't need to drain any fluids, and they are really careful.

Get in touch with me off the list for more details, including info about
insurance and a good shipping broker.

Mark
=>
=> Thanks and bests,
=>
=> Erik
=>
=> 01 KLR650
=>




From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun  1 10:19:22 2001
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:14:46 -0400
From: <sdave@XXXXXX>
To: eschelzig@XXXXXX
Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Bike Storage

Erik pondered aloud:


> Looking for some help from the travelers/movers on the list:  I am
moving
> abroad for about a year and need to mothball my KLR.  Everyone I've
spoken
> to has told me to put in high grade gasoline and some fuel
stabilizer, do an
> oil change, and disconnect the battery.  Sounds fine to me.

   WEEEEEEELL...  that's O K, but of course, it's better to keep it
running...


  But when
> talking to a moving company, they have told me that it will be
necessary to
> drain the bike of all fluids before they will move or store it.
This
> doesn't sound like a good plan.  Has anybody had any experience in
this
> field?  Incidentally, I will be moving from DC to Miami, in case
anyone is
> wondering.


   well, I'd be hesitant to drain the bike of all fluids.  <sigh>
it's a sacrifice, but, I'll tell you what... I'll ride the bike for
you while you're gone.  Stored in a garage, regular maintenance, and,
for some extra consideration, I'll take it on some dirt roads, keep
the suspension working and all.  After all, you don't want your bike
collecting dust in some storage area, other stuff piling on top of
it, only casually glanced at by some uncaring BDC?

Anything for a LM in need....

Dave Yates


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From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun  1 10:24:34 2001
From: Cedric Bernescut <bernescut@XXXXXX>
To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: FW: [cbr] Warchild's Deerstrike
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:24:33 -0400

With all the recent discussion of deer hunting I thought I'd cross post this
from another list.
Warning: Not for Small Children of Animal Lovers.
Cedric

Subject: [cbr] Warchild's Deerstrike

I guess Warchild was another one driven away. Anyway, here's a good, good
story he wrote on another site.

http://network54.com/Hide/Forum/message?forumid=116563&messageid=991190275




From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun  1 12:19:37 2001
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 1973 12:28:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Garcia Oliver <garicao@XXXXXX>
To: eschelzig@XXXXXX
cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Bike Storage

On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote:

> Looking for some help from the travelers/movers on the list:  I am moving
> abroad for about a year and need to mothball my KLR.  Everyone I've spoken
> to has told me to put in high grade gasoline and some fuel stabilizer, do an
> oil change, and disconnect the battery.  Sounds fine to me.  But when

No personal experience with this, but you should be able to get away
with: (1) drain gas tank til dry. Pour in some heavy oil (30 wt?),
slosh it around til it has covered the inside of the tank; drain excess.
(2) drain carb (should be a screw on the float bowl). (3) put a bit
(tablespoon) of oil in sparkplug hole, crank engine a few times,
reinstall plug.  (4) the battery will be a throw-away in a year unless you
can arrange occasional recharging; otherwise might as well sell/give it away
now. (5) wax/grease/oil/wd40/armor-all parts that you think might rust.

--garcia

"Florida: all voters are equal, but some are more equal than others."

From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun  1 13:22:00 2001
From: "Custer, Carl" <Carl.Custer@XXXXXX>
To: "'DCCycles'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Cc: "'dcanderson_iii@XXXXXX'" <dcanderson_iii@XXXXXX>,
   "'the.horkster@XXXXXX'" <the.horkster@XXXXXX>
Subject: Parking & Horns
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 13:22:26 -0400

DC Anderson III asked: "Does anyone know of any motorcycle parking down near
the MCI Center?"

On the north side of Indiana next to 6th street.
Also on the north side of G, close to 7th there is a blank "free parking
spot" that may have been designated for motorcycles once.  "The list sez
there's one there.
Dale, can you post "the list" a hard drive crash wiped my copy.

Horns:
John claimed: "One point on horns, what I have learned over the years is
that when I really want a horn I am WAY to busy to use one. I too like loud
horns, but find them useless in a real emergency."

When in town or traffic: Cover your brake lever, cover your horn button.
But remember people (even BDCs) react to sight faster than to sound so use
lane positioning and lights to avoid having to use either brakes or tooters.

See one horn (& lights) mounting suggestion below:

Carl in Bethesda
Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over
snow, and around road ragers.
'85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666)
'97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red)

Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters:
http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg
http://www.crosswinds.net/~denbrook/Motorcycles/Events/mmc-2-17-01/Carls_Sab
re.jpg

From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun  1 13:36:56 2001
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:36:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Weaver <chris_vtr@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Parking & Horns
To: "Custer, Carl" <Carl.Custer@XXXXXX>,
   "'DCCycles'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Cc: "'dcanderson_iii@XXXXXX'" <dcanderson_iii@XXXXXX>,
   "'the.horkster@XXXXXX'" <the.horkster@XXXXXX>

> Dale, can you post "the list" a hard drive crash
> wiped my copy.

You can find "the list" on www.dccycles.com under
"Area Riding" and "DC Parking."

Here it is for convenience though.

Chris

-----------

Parking Tips:
1. When parked in spaces designed for their exclusive
use, motorcycles must park in designated areas with
rear wheel to the curb.
2. Metered parking is in effect during the hours
posted.
3. No motorized vehicle without pedals shall park on
islands or sidewalks. ($50!! BTDT)
4. Park one motorcycle per stall.
5. Most parking is metered for 4 hours, at 25 cents
per hour.
6. Motorcycles may park in metered zones for
automobiles providing the parking meter is paid. When
parked in spaces designed for automobiles, motorcycles
should park parallel to the curb.

300 block Eye St NW -- 14 spaces
800 block Vermont Ave, NW -- 23 spaces (meters more
expensive)
600 block Indiana Ave. NW -- 6 (In the shade, next to
6th)
600 block E St NW -- 6 (Not marked, no meters)
600 block G St. NW --6 (Not there anymore??)
600 block 2nd St. NW -- 10 spaces

2000 block T St NW -- 10
1300 block New York Ave NW -- 10
1700 block M St. NW -- 31
1400 block G St. NW -- 14

2100 block Eye St. NW -- 10 spaces
1800 block H St NW -- 16 (shaded)
2200 block E St NW -- 9
1100 block Vermont Ave NW -- 10
Unit block G St NW -- 8 (On the south side of G St.
immediately west of North Capitol. No meters, just a
sign that says Motorcycle parking. LB)

1200 block New Hampshire Ave NW -- 20 spaces
1500 block 19th St NW -- 7
1700 block G St NW -- 11
2200 block F St NW -- 6
1400 block M St NW -- 6

900 block 15th St NW -- 12
1800 block Eye St NW -- 9
1300 block K St NW -- 9 (Next to 14th, shaded from
noon sun; where the elite parque)
1800 block Pennsylvania Ave NW -- 9 spaces
2000 block Florida Ave NW -- 10

1800 block M St NW -- 24
1100 block Thomas Jefferson St NW -- 5
3000 block VanNess St NW -- 13 spaces
2500 block 6th St NW -- 10
200 block Independence Ave SE -- 9
300 block Virginia Ave SW -- 10
800 block C St. SW -- 10

Some might find this useful:
There is free motorcycle parking (no meter heads) on
C, SW between 12th & 14 behind USDA.
In the USDA parking lot on Independence close to 12th
On the SW side of the Humphrey building (200
Independence?) the Humphrey building (Independence
Ave, SW) has free MC parking on the sidewalk/patio and
is sort of covered (there's a roof way up high). It's
on the SW side of the building (KR)


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From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun  1 13:56:26 2001
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 13:55:37 -0400
From: Dale Horstman <the.horkster@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Parking & Horns
To: Chris Weaver <chris_vtr@XXXXXX>
Cc: "Custer, Carl" <Carl.Custer@XXXXXX>,
   "'DCCycles'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>,
   "'dcanderson_iii@XXXXXX'" <dcanderson_iii@XXXXXX>

Chris Weaver wrote:
>
> > Dale, can you post "the list" a hard drive crash
> > wiped my copy.
>
> You can find "the list" on www.dccycles.com under
> "Area Riding" and "DC Parking."

Cool, thanks Chris!  I'm off the hook looking through
my saved messages.  :)

Dale

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Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth

'98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer
'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi
'82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress

From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun  1 14:08:28 2001
From: "Paul Wilson" <pawilson@XXXXXX>
To: "dc-cycles list" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: DC "free" MC parking, was Re: Parking & Horns
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 14:11:44 -0400

I was downtown yesterday and parked at 15th and Eye and noticed something
untoward.  It looks like they're installing some kind of parking fee
collection system at the currently "free" spots.  Not sure what's up with
that.  I'll give my DPW contact a call to see what's going on.

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F
----- Original Message -----
From: Custer, Carl <Carl.Custer@XXXXXX>

> DC Anderson III asked: "Does anyone know of any motorcycle parking down
near
> the MCI Center?"
>
> On the north side of Indiana next to 6th street.
> Also on the north side of G, close to 7th there is a blank "free parking
> spot" that may have been designated for motorcycles once.  "The list sez
> there's one there.
> Dale, can you post "the list" a hard drive crash wiped my copy.


From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun  1 18:11:53 2001
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 18:09:36 -0400
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
From: Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX>
Subject: Dead list.

Doctor, the list is going into defib! Charging paddles! Clear!
*bzzzt* It's no good! Bring it up to 50Kw. Clear! *bzzzz* Damn!
Alright, let's call it. Time of death, 12:28:34, June 1st, 1973. (Hey
Garcia, check your computer's clock!)

Have a good weekend, kids. Bring me some good stories for Monday. And
maybe a bottle or two of Uncle Jemima's Mash Liqour. If you're like
me, you wanna get bit just as fast as possible.


--
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the
skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #230 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html


From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun  1 19:38:47 2001
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 1973 19:47:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Garcia Oliver <garicao@XXXXXX>
To: Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX>
cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Dead list.

On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Sean Jordan wrote:

> Doctor, the list is going into defib! Charging paddles! Clear!
> *bzzzt* It's no good! Bring it up to 50Kw. Clear! *bzzzz* Damn!
> Alright, let's call it. Time of death, 12:28:34, June 1st, 1973. (Hey
> Garcia, check your computer's clock!)

Computer's clock is fine. You have met the CapAccess solution to y2k.
Really.

--garcia

"A horse divided against itself cannot stand."

From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun  1 21:01:51 2001
From: "Ricardo Pontes" <ricardopontes@XXXXXX>
To: "Dccycles" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: for the truly energy conscience
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 21:06:59 -0400



I really think this is a great idea. But i think this sort of thing would be
best suited for scooters. I woudlnt mind owning a fully electric or hybrid
scooter. Only problem is that many scooters get around 100mpg already.
Italjet formula gets around 90 if you thrash it, 105 if you take it easy.
But then again the top speed is kind of low. If they make a scooter version
of this hog, i will probably buy it.

Ricardo Pontes
www.geocities.com/ricardopontes






I followed some of the links and found this really funky looking ride:
http://www.ecycle.com/powersports/hybrid.htm
But seeing the semi-success of this engineering idea in cars I think it will
be the way electric motorcycles get started (no pun intended).
Cedric


The tree huggin, granola eatin, hemp wearin bike.



http://user.icx.net/~jfairstein/electric.html

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From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun  1 22:45:32 2001
From: "Todd Peer" <toddbpeer@XXXXXX>
To: "AA DC Cycles" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: [cbr] Warchild's Deerstrike
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 22:43:52 -0400

Dale Wilson is on the ST1100, LDRider, IBDone and CBR lists.  He also
occassionally posts to the HSTA list, but more for the mere thrill of
ruffling the old folks feathers.  He's a stalwart ego that could not ever
possibly be driven away from anything.  In fact, the man seems to subsist on
email conflict at times.

Nevertheless, he is an amusing read.

Todd (Springfield, VA)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------
From: Cedric Bernescut <bernescut@XXXXXX>
To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: FW: [cbr] Warchild's Deerstrike
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:24:33 -0400

With all the recent discussion of deer hunting I thought I'd cross post this
from another list.
Warning: Not for Small Children of Animal Lovers.
Cedric

Subject: [cbr] Warchild's Deerstrike

I guess Warchild was another one driven away. Anyway, here's a good, good
story he wrote on another site.

http://network54.com/Hide/Forum/message?forumid=116563&messageid=991190275




From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun  1 23:41:27 2001
From: "mobacc" <mobacc@XXXXXX>
To: "DC-Cycles" <DC-Cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Thanks.  and Back to Your Roots, Gendarme
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 22:44:38 -0400

    o  Thanks, sympathizers, for the kind thoughts re my recent shoveoff.
Appreciated.

    o  Couldn't help chuckling over a serendipitious photo in the 5/20 Post
magazine, p.6 , contrasting the current list postings about distasteful area
police vehicles and practices:

[A B/W photo showing 5 policemen in full horse-regalia uniforms straddling
period motorcycles (+ a chief) in front of a store].  Caption:

"In 1922, Montgomery County was farm country: . ..   ...posing ... on July 4
[police] Chief ... and his men on their first day of duty.  . . ..  They
didn't have much beyond their badges.  Their only training was on riding
motorcycles, and there was no office . . ..  If they needed to cart someone
to jail, the prisoner often had to ride along on the motorcycle, handcuffed.
Still there were bootleggers and chicken thieves to chase down . . .."

Certainly no brother motorcyclists.

July 4, 2002 will be the 80th anniversary of the forming of this august
group.

Bill S. / DC
[99 VN750] --> I'll bet I could sniff out bootleggers and chicken thieves.
And deal punish enough to handcuffed pillioners.
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding fun.


From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun  2 00:32:17 2001
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 21:32:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nomad <nomad98@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re:Bike Storage
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

<<snip>I will be moving from DC to Miami</snip>

<Since when is Miami abroad. I know they don't speak
english but it is still part of the USA (last time I
checked).

I lived in South Miami for four long years; It is indeed a foreign
country. No se hable ingles!

Typically, moving companies are most concerned about gasoline, not
oil. Should you decide to transport the bike to Germany/Miami, empty
the gas tank but don't bother with the carbs or oil. You'll regret
not having your bike in Germany.

Herb
'99 VFR
'94 Magna

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From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun  2 11:11:28 2001
From: "Seth Kaplan" <seth@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Bike Storage
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 11:12:29 -0400

I have a KLR too.  There are two schools of thought on fluid prep for
storage.  Theory 1 is top everything off, including the gas tank.  This
reduces the area for condensation in the tank (esp. over the winter) so
you'll be able to start it up next spring.  Theory 2 is drain the gas tank
(i.e. run it till it konks out - remember to have the fuel gauge on
reserve).  The logic here is the same as theory 1, albeit to remove the
condensation causing element altogether.  I think either is fine, but if you
are going to leave the fuel in, definitely put in stabilizer - it makes the
fuel more syrupy and less apt to freezing, separating, and condensing.
Always disconnect the battery, ESP. on that bike.  I sometimes disconnect
mine if I'm not gonna rider her for a couple of weeks, let alone an entire
year.  Have a safe trip.

-- Seth

'97 Valk
'00 KLR650


From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun  2 16:19:16 2001
From: "Matthew Patton" <pattonme@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 15:19:05 -0500
Subject: Re: Warchild's Deerstrike

Couple of observations:

This is what horns are for. When I'm unsure, I bleep my horn often. You can't hear an MC engine/exhuast when it's coming toward you. And dear definately don't pick up on it. Horns they do notice.

<quote>I checked the tachometer,
looked up at the Sigma, then down to the temp gauge, then looked up to see the 75-lb doe looking right at me, </quote>

Any good pilot knows you scan and look up, scan and look up, scan and look up. reading 3 instruments one after the other is too much time away from looking at the road. Even more so since th author was apparently very aware that critters were highly possible.

As to the 'shit' or the amount of it. I believe we humans have about 12ft worth of intestine in our abdomons. Dear would have a lot, too.
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 they should have voted to convict."


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From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun  2 16:35:59 2001
From: "Matthew Patton" <pattonme@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 15:35:55 -0500
Subject: Fairly friendly Suzuki dealer

I was up in Winchester to pick up my Honda parts and stopped by the 'zuk/kawi/yam dealer there on US50 a few miles east of I-81 to get a price quote on some parts. Headlight brackets etc. for a GS500E were way more than I think they're worth (will call a breaker) but just for grins I stopped by Loudoun Motorsports in Leesburg to get a comparison. Loudoun's was almost 2x as expensive. I was appalled. I queried their main parts man as to what's up with that and got a disinterested shrug. I let him know that I currently do all my HOnda parts business with Shenandoah Honda and was thinking about consolidating business a little closer (now that I have suzuki's in the stable) but that there was no way unless his prices were more reasonable.

He gave me one of those, "I don't give a shit, why don't you piss off" sort of looks. 'Piss off' I did. I was even more upset when he said I could buy a VIP card for $40 and thereby get a 10% discount of stuff. I don't think so!!!

That's the last time I even THINK about visiting a DC/VA dealer for anything. Shenandoah Honda's prices are 10 - 20% cheaper than dealers around here AND I get a 15% discount on top of that. No questions asked, no requirement that you buy a bike there, no nothing.

At the previously mentioned zuk/yam/kawi dealer I didn't get the parts counter to come down much except to mention the 10% AMA discount but the person in charge there said to give the owner a ring during the week and was pretty sure we'd be able to come to some kind of understanding.


I'm new to Suzuki land. Anyone have suggestions for a GOOD shop that isn't intent on bilking the customer? I'm familiar with Whitt's and will pay them a visit. But other than that it seems I have to go to Winchester to find a 1/2 way decent outfit.
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From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun  2 17:03:45 2001
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 17:03:33 -0400
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
From: Troutman <mike@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Fairly friendly Suzuki dealer

I have good luck with Cycle Sport in Herndon.

At 04:35 PM 6/2/2001, Matthew Patton wrote:
>I'm new to Suzuki land. Anyone have suggestions for a GOOD shop that isn't
>intent on bilking the customer? I'm familiar with Whitt's and will pay
>them a visit. But other than that it seems I have to go to Winchester to
>find a 1/2 way decent outfit.


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         mike@XXXXXX
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From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun  2 18:45:23 2001
From: "Patrick Caulfield" <Patrick_Caulfield@XXXXXX>
To: "DCCycles" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Advice: Reckless Driving
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 18:36:17 -0400


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er to reduce the violation.  Roomie's on reckless #2, 3rd ticket, I'm on =
my 1st(and 1st on bike) and second speeding ticket.  Any help would be ap=
preciated!!!

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From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun  2 20:46:11 2001
To: DCBRAG@XXXXXX
Cc: BOL@XXXXXX, TL1000@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 20:40:48 -0400
Subject: FS:NEW Bridgestone BT56ss 180/55zr17 $103
X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-11
X-Juno-Att: 0
X-Juno-RefParts: 0
From: Thad B Groghan <tgroghan@XXXXXX>

For sale:
Brand new BT-56ss

size: 180/55zr17
Price: $103.00

Reason for selling, was forced to buy another tire in an emergency
situation.
Thad
Location: Maryland
tgroghan@XXXXXX


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From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun  3 09:04:53 2001
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 09:05:02 -0400
From: Paul Wilson <pawilson@XXXXXX>
To: Matthew Patton <pattonme@XXXXXX>
CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Horn use, was Re: Warchild's Deerstrike

Matthew Patton wrote:
>
> Couple of observations:
>
> This is what horns are for. When I'm unsure, I bleep my horn often. You can't hear an MC engine/exhuast when it's coming toward you. And dear definately don't pick up on it. Horns they do notice.
>

I think the rule of thumb with the horn is, "use it, but don't rely on
it."  It certainly doesn't hurt.  Sometimes cagers give me a dirty look
for beeping at them, but it did make them notice me, so mission
accomplished.  The worst offenders are the "lane creepers" how can't
seem to keep themselves from wandering across the lane markers.  A
little toot usually wakes 'em up and keeps them on their side of the
dashed white lines.  I probably use my horn way more than the average
motorcyclist.

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F


From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun  3 09:15:33 2001
From: MJordan666@XXXXXX
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 09:15:29 EDT
Subject: Re: Advice: Reckless Driving
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

>So my roomie and I were cruising Sat enjoying the nice day and came up on a >
speed trap and got nailed for 57 in a 305.  What advice can anyone offer to >
reduce the violation.  Roomie's on reckless #2, 3rd ticket, I'm on my 1st(and
1st >on bike) and second speeding ticket.  Any help would be appreciated!!!

1. Get a good lawyer
2. Get a good radar detector - Valentine 1 is recommended. It will run you
about $500 with the remote audio and video - less than the cost of a lawyer.
3. Did I mention get a lawyer?

Michael J.
'93 GSX 1100G
'86 SRX-6
'99 V1

From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun  3 16:32:42 2001
From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 16:32:37 EDT
Subject: Re: va trailer inspection
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

In a message dated 5/31/2001 12:55:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
christopher.meier@XXXXXX writes:

> Yep, makes sense.  Ffx Cty ... not concerned about safety laws, but they
>  know the fees you have to pay down pat.
>
While I was out riding this weekend (577mi.) I saw someone pull right out in
front of a cop (not a local) so the cop had to _slam_ of his brakes to keep
from hitting him. Then the cop just kept on going... to a speed trap no
doubt. Morons!


John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC

Honda ST1100X Pan European
    (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.)
BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles
Honda 1976 CR250M  Motowhat racer

From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun  3 16:39:27 2001
From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 16:39:20 EDT
Subject: Re: for the truly energy conscience
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

In a message dated 5/31/2001 3:03:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
bernescut@XXXXXX writes:

> But seeing the semi-success of this engineering idea in cars I think it will
>  be the way electric motorcycles get started (no pun intended).

By the  way what good is an electric motorcycle or cage if you aint got no
power to charge it? (See California.)

Just wondering.

John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC

Honda ST1100X Pan European
    (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.)
BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles
Honda 1976 CR250M  Motowhat racer

From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun  3 16:42:23 2001
From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 16:42:14 EDT
Subject: Re: for the truly energy conscience
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

In a message dated 5/31/2001 3:48:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Rigopoulos_Mark@XXXXXX writes:

> I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want 60+lbs of Lead Acid batteries in
>  between MY legs.
>  Mark

Hell no! I want exploding hydrocarbons between my legs!


John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC

Honda ST1100X Pan European
    (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.)
BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles
Honda 1976 CR250M  Motowhat racer

From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun  3 17:06:37 2001
From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 17:06:30 EDT
Subject: Re: horns
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

In a message dated 6/1/2001 10:09:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
pattonme@XXXXXX writes:

> which is why you use the horn BEFORE it's an emergency. (SIPDE and all
that).

When I (P)redict some moron is about to do something stupid,  I (D)ecide not
to trust them to hear my horn. And (E)xecute  an evasive maneuver.
If it is not an emergency yet you do not need a loud horn. If it is, the
horn, no matter how loud cannot be relied on.


John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC

Honda ST1100X Pan European
    (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.)
BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles
Honda 1976 CR250M  Motowhat racer

From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun  3 22:05:35 2001
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 22:02:29 -0400
Subject: Summit Point Track Day Monday, June 11th
X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,5-9,11,13,15
From: Tom Fitzpatrick <celticracing@XXXXXX>

This is *not* for racers only!

Cycle Sport's Track Day is at Summit Point on Monday, June 11th.  You
must complete a safety seminar if you haven't done this before, so if you
have interest, call Mark in the parts department ASAP.  He can be reached
at (703) 471-6990.

This is how I got started.

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*Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX  (703)818-8890
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From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun  3 22:34:55 2001
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To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: roach did you sell Harley
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 02:23:26

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From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun  4 08:32:19 2001
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 05:32:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matthew Rosenstock <m_rosenstock@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Fairly friendly Suzuki dealer
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

If you're willing to travel a little, I buy my Suzuki
parts at Cycle Accesory Discounters in Gaithersburg.
You might want to give them a try via phone...
301-977-7188.


--- Matthew Patton <pattonme@XXXXXX> wrote:
> I was up in Winchester to pick up my Honda parts and
> stopped by the 'zuk/kawi/yam dealer there on US50 a
> few miles east of I-81 to get a price quote on some
> parts. Headlight brackets etc. for a GS500E were way
> more than I think they're worth (will call a
> breaker) but just for grins I stopped by Loudoun
> Motorsports in Leesburg to get a comparison.
> Loudoun's was almost 2x as expensive. I was
> appalled. I queried their main parts man as to
> what's up with that and got a disinterested shrug. I
> let him know that I currently do all my HOnda parts
> business with Shenandoah Honda and was thinking
> about consolidating business a little closer (now
> that I have suzuki's in the stable) but that there
> was no way unless his prices were more reasonable.
>
> He gave me one of those, "I don't give a shit, why
> don't you piss off" sort of looks. 'Piss off' I did.
> I was even more upset when he said I could buy a VIP
> card for $40 and thereby get a 10% discount of
> stuff. I don't think so!!!
>
> That's the last time I even THINK about visiting a
> DC/VA dealer for anything. Shenandoah Honda's prices
> are 10 - 20% cheaper than dealers around here AND I
> get a 15% discount on top of that. No questions
> asked, no requirement that you buy a bike there, no
> nothing.
>
> At the previously mentioned zuk/yam/kawi dealer I
> didn't get the parts counter to come down much
> except to mention the 10% AMA discount but the
> person in charge there said to give the owner a ring
> during the week and was pretty sure we'd be able to
> come to some kind of understanding.
>
>
> I'm new to Suzuki land. Anyone have suggestions for
> a GOOD shop that isn't intent on bilking the
> customer? I'm familiar with Whitt's and will pay
> them a visit. But other than that it seems I have to
> go to Winchester to find a 1/2 way decent outfit.
> --
>
>
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>  they should have voted to convict."
>
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From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun  4 08:35:25 2001
Date: Mon,  4 Jun 2001 08:35:18 -0400
From: "Chris Norloff" <cnorloff@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: horns

I agree with Paul (pattonme@XXXXXX) that using the horn is good to alert people and that you should not rely on it.

Yesterday was a perfect example - car pulling out the parking lot on the right, driver acted like he didn't see me.  As I applied the brakes I sounded the horn.  He looked, stopped, and let me by.

The non-horn alternative would be to hope he saw me (yeah, right!) or to stop in the road if he kept moving.

I think most people would agree that use of the horn was the better tactic.

the smaller the vehicle, the louder the horn,
Chris Norloff

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 17:06:30 EDT

>In a message dated 6/1/2001 10:09:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>pattonme@XXXXXX writes:
>
>> which is why you use the horn BEFORE it's an emergency. (SIPDE and all
>that).
>
>When I (P)redict some moron is about to do something stupid,  I (D)ecide not
>to trust them to hear my horn. And (E)xecute  an evasive maneuver.
>If it is not an emergency yet you do not need a loud horn. If it is, the
>horn, no matter how loud cannot be relied on.
>
>
>John Walters (Long John)
>PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
>Up near DC
>
>Honda ST1100X Pan European
>    (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.)
>BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles
>Honda 1976 CR250M  Motowhat racer
>

From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun  4 09:57:49 2001
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 06:57:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Trey Herb <trey_22206@XXXXXX>
Subject: other horns
To: DC-Cycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>

I was at a marine shop the other day picking up some
electric gear for my Trophy when I saw these big fat
round horns. the were not hooked up but was wondering
if anyone ever tried them on a bike. they look like
any easy install and are not badly priced.

Trey

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From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun  4 10:15:49 2001
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 10:15:16 -0400
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
From: Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX>
Subject: Funny comic today

http://www2.uclick.com/client/wpc/nq/

--
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the
skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #230 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html


From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun  4 10:49:13 2001
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 10:48:37 -0400
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
From: Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX>
Subject: For Sale (non-moto)

Hey guys, need to make room for some new thing by selling some old
things, so I thought I'd give you all first crack before I put the
stuff up on eBay. (The benefits of being a lister!)

Car stereo stuff:

Clarion Tape Deck & Clarion 6 disc changer. Specs and model #'s
available upon request. (I don't have them in front of me and can't
remember what they are.) This is higher end stuff. 2 1/2 years old,
great condition. $200

Kenwood 4 channel amp. 25 watts per channel RMS. High and low pass
filters. 2ohm stable. $100

Kenwood active powered eq. With fader and adjustable low-pass filter
subwoofer output. $75.


Non-Car Stereo stuff

AGV Rage 1 piece leathers. Red, black, and white. Light scuffing on
seat from a low speed track get off. Will pass tech with all race
organizations, no real damage to suit. I think it's a size 58. (Fits
me well and I'm 5'10" 175lbs.) This is a great suit for racing, track
days, or street riding. Let me know if you want to come by and try it
on. $150.

Garmin GPS 3 Brand new in box! Less than 20 minutes of use! $200

These items will be going on eBay later this week, so if you're
interested in anything, let me know!

--
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skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #230 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html


From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun  4 10:59:54 2001
From: Brian Roach <roach@XXXXXX>
To: DC Cycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: NESBA at VIR, a review.
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 10:59:52 -0400


Well, we spent all weekend at VIR with NESBA on the south course... and I'm
happy to report that I'm impressed with NESBA.

They are well organized, you gets tons of track time, and the squid level is
almost nill. Everyone involved with NESBA is very friendly and helpfull.
Their control riders are NOT racers looking for free track time - they
honestly take time to help out riders improve their cornering and riding
ability in the beginner and intermediate groups. Even the Advanced group is
devoid of squiddy behavior, which really surprised/pleased me. When talking
with people after a track session, the conversation isn't "Did you see me
pass so-and-so", etc ... it's about lap times, and if each person had made
improvements. Most of the advanced guys had onboard lap timers, or someone in
the pits with a watch. If you're not familiar with being around a racetrack,
let me explain that this is a good thing - lap times are the goal, not
stuffing someone into a corner then parking it in front of them :)  I was
riding my Aprilia cup bike, and never had a problem with 600 - 1000cc guys
trying to jam into a corner in front of me... they all understood this could
be the cause of an aprilia enima mid-corner.  I also had a lot of guys who
I'd pass ask for advice in between sessions - everyone seemed honestly
interested in improving their riding - egos were not bruised.

All and all, I'm very impressed, and we'll be hitting more of their days for
practice this year (including this Friday at Summit Point on the main
course). We originally were only going to go on Saturday, and ended up
staying for Sunday as well. I would whole heartedly recommend NESBA to anyone
looking to get on a track with their motorcycle.

- Roach

--


From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun  4 11:04:47 2001
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 08:04:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Trey Herb <trey_22206@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: NESBA at VIR, a review.
To: DC Cycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>

I absolutely concur. I went to NESBA at summit for the
free intro course. Absolutely great now all I need is
a race bike and a trailer.

Trey

--- Brian Roach <roach@XXXXXX> wrote:
>
> Well, we spent all weekend at VIR with NESBA on the
> south course... and I'm
> happy to report that I'm impressed with NESBA.
>
> They are well organized, you gets tons of track
> time, and the squid level is
> almost nill. Everyone involved with NESBA is very
> friendly and helpfull.
> Their control riders are NOT racers looking for free
> track time - they
> honestly take time to help out riders improve their
> cornering and riding
> ability in the beginner and intermediate groups.
> Even the Advanced group is
> devoid of squiddy behavior, which really
> surprised/pleased me. When talking
> with people after a track session, the conversation
> isn't "Did you see me
> pass so-and-so", etc ... it's about lap times, and
> if each person had made
> improvements. Most of the advanced guys had onboard
> lap timers, or someone in
> the pits with a watch. If you're not familiar with
> being around a racetrack,
> let me explain that this is a good thing - lap times
> are the goal, not
> stuffing someone into a corner then parking it in
> front of them :)  I was
> riding my Aprilia cup bike, and never had a problem
> with 600 - 1000cc guys
> trying to jam into a corner in front of me... they
> all understood this could
> be the cause of an aprilia enima mid-corner.  I also
> had a lot of guys who
> I'd pass ask for advice in between sessions -
> everyone seemed honestly
> interested in improving their riding - egos were not
> bruised.
>
> All and all, I'm very impressed, and we'll be
> hitting more of their days for
> practice this year (including this Friday at Summit
> Point on the main
> course). We originally were only going to go on
> Saturday, and ended up
> staying for Sunday as well. I would whole heartedly
> recommend NESBA to anyone
> looking to get on a track with their motorcycle.
>
> - Roach
>
> --
>


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From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun  4 11:39:25 2001
From: "Pflieger, Matthew M." <MATTHEW.M.PFLIEGER@XXXXXX>
To: "'roach@XXXXXX'" <roach@XXXXXX>,
   DC Cycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: NESBA at VIR, a review.
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 11:38:44 -0400

Thanks for the info.  I've been trying to plan my track days this year with
Team Pro-Motion and NESBA.  Its good to know either is a good choice.

Is anyone going to the NESBA days at Carolina Motorsports Park on the 16th &
17th (Saturday-Sunday)?  I spoke with a NESBA guy last week that said there
are definitely spots available so I might sign up.



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Roach [mailto:roach@XXXXXX]
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 11:00 AM
To: DC Cycles
Subject: NESBA at VIR, a review.



Well, we spent all weekend at VIR with NESBA on the south course... and I'm
happy to report that I'm impressed with NESBA.

They are well organized, you gets tons of track time, and the squid level is

almost nill. Everyone involved with NESBA is very friendly and helpfull.
Their control riders are NOT racers looking for free track time - they
honestly take time to help out riders improve their cornering and riding
ability in the beginner and intermediate groups. Even the Advanced group is
devoid of squiddy behavior, which really surprised/pleased me. When talking
with people after a track session, the conversation isn't "Did you see me
pass so-and-so", etc ... it's about lap times, and if each person had made
improvements. Most of the advanced guys had onboard lap timers, or someone
in
the pits with a watch. If you're not familiar with being around a racetrack,

let me explain that this is a good thing - lap times are the goal, not
stuffing someone into a corner then parking it in front of them :)  I was
riding my Aprilia cup bike, and never had a problem with 600 - 1000cc guys
trying to jam into a corner in front of me... they all understood this could

be the cause of an aprilia enima mid-corner.  I also had a lot of guys who
I'd pass ask for advice in between sessions - everyone seemed honestly
interested in improving their riding - egos were not bruised.

All and all, I'm very impressed, and we'll be hitting more of their days for

practice this year (including this Friday at Summit Point on the main
course). We originally were only going to go on Saturday, and ended up
staying for Sunday as well. I would whole heartedly recommend NESBA to
anyone
looking to get on a track with their motorcycle.

- Roach

--


From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun  4 11:45:17 2001
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 11:44:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: "lisa@XXXXXX" <lgoddard@XXXXXX>
To: dccycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: VFR and Givi




I know there is someone out there on the DC Cycles list who has the same
body style VFR as mine and has a Givi mounted tail bag.  Can you give me
a shout off list?

Thanks,

Lisa Goddard
'95 VFR




From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun  4 12:57:55 2001
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 10:48:24 -0500
From: "George Cole" <George.Cole@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>, <roach@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: NESBA at VIR, a review.

Hey Brian,

Looks like a good outfit, Glad I joined. They seem a little more organized then Team Pro Motion.

I will at Sumitt on Friday, Ill look you up.

Cheers,

George Cole


George M Cole
Technology Consultant
www.boisetech.com
301-523-4161
FAX 1-888-240-3154

>>> Brian Roach <roach@XXXXXX> wrote <SNIP>
Well, we spent all weekend at VIR with NESBA on the south course... and I'm
happy to report that I'm impressed with NESBA.



From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun  4 13:24:44 2001
From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 13:24:35 EDT
Subject: <no moto> Laid off....computer nerd in need of a job!
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

Damn, I guess the lay off bug buzzed by my office the other day.  Just
another lay off fatality (and I thought it wouldnt happen to me).  Anyway,
this computer nerd is in need of a position ASAP!
Im a Certified Netware Administrator 4.x/5.x with lots of help desk and
troubleshooting background (some law office experience as well).  Some WinNT
4/Win2000 experience also.
If your company is need of a Help Desk Specialist or Net Admin or you can
pass my info along to someone who might be able to help a fellow biker, let
me know and Ill send a resume.
Thanks
Dave

From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun  4 14:05:23 2001
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 11:05:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Weaver <chris_vtr@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: <no moto> Laid off....computer nerd in need of a job!
To: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX

Join the club. I was laid off several weeks ago and
still haven't found a new position. The headhunters
I've talked to seem to think the market is really
stagnant right now. I wish you good luck with your
search. I'm now looking overseas for work now, since
I'm not having much luck around here. By the way - any
list members have European contacts?

I'll keep my eyes open for you, Dave. Good luck.

Cheers,
Chris Weaver (web designer)


--- GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX wrote:
> Damn, I guess the lay off bug buzzed by my office
> the other day

> Thanks
> Dave


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From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun  4 16:07:00 2001
From: "Custer, Carl" <Carl.Custer@XXXXXX>
To: "'DCCycles'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Cc: "'pattonme@XXXXXX'" <pattonme@XXXXXX>,
   "'PenguinBiker@XXXXXX'" <PenguinBiker@XXXXXX>
Subject: horns
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 16:07:37 -0400

pattonme@XXXXXX writes:
> which is why you use the horn BEFORE it's an emergency. (SIPDE and all
that).

Long john Opined," When I (P)redict some moron is about to do something
stupid,  I (D)ecide not to trust them to hear my horn. And (E)xecute  an
evasive maneuver. If it is not an emergency yet you do not need a loud horn.
If it is, the horn, no matter how loud cannot be relied on."

You're correct that a horn may not help IN an emergency.
However, I believe Patton's point was: a horn can PREVENT an emergency by
getting the dumbass' attention.
A good toot will rip a BDC from their reverie and have them start looking
for the semi breathing down their neck.
Because a good toot stimulates the BDCs to pay attention, it makes the roads
a safer place for all.
<broken record> Don't rely on the horn to save your sorry butt at the last
second.  Visual conspicuity: lane placement, lights, yadda . . . are
critical factors . . . </broken record>

for the truly energy conscience
Mark claims:
> I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want 60+lbs of Lead Acid batteries
in  between MY legs.
>  Mark
L-J:" Hell no! I want exploding hydrocarbons between my legs!"

Anyone old enough to remember the line from Georgy Girl?
Reporter" "How do you remain so cheerful?"
Scooter star:
"If you had 50 ccs vibrating between your legs all day, you'd be cheerful
too."
RisquM-i stuff for 1966.

Carl in Bethesda
Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over
snow, and around road ragers.
'85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666) '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred
the Red)

Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters:
http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg
http://www.crosswinds.net/~denbrook/Motorcycles/Events/mmc-2-17-01/Carls_Sab
re.jpg


From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun  4 17:00:14 2001
From: "Laura Granato" <lgranato@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Track day at VIR, NESBA, my view
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 17:01:49 -0400

Wow is all I can say.  As Brian said, NESBA was awesome.  I started out in
the advanced group and quickly realized that I wanted to bump down to
intermediate.  I had just switched my bike to GP shift, and was learning a
new track, so I thought I'd be more comfortable in the intermediate group.
I went and asked about switching groups and they said "no problem."  After
that, my day was awesome.  the beginner and intermediate groups have control
riders, the advanced group doesn't, and let me tell you, I am glad that I
bumped down to a group with control riders.  I learned so much that day!
The control riders were awesome! They really knew what they were talking
about, and spent a lot of time with me on the track and off.  By the end of
the day, my riding had improved a lot.

I rode two whole days and didn't have one time where another rider did
something stupid.  No squidly moves out on the track, which made the
environment much more comfortable for learning.  I also heard, though, that
they do not put up with behavior like that...if someone is unsafe, they have
no problem telling them to leave.


All in all, awesome two days! NESBA is great, and we will be taking many of
their track days.  If you are new to a track, I'd suggest signing up with
NESBA.  The beginner group had a larger amount of control riders, and the
instruction was awesome. There was even a guy out there on a cruiser!!!
Check out their web site for a list of their track days...they have a ton!
www.nesba.com

Laura


From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun  4 21:30:06 2001
From: "Howard J. Koontz" <HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Harley radio?
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 21:29:32 -0400

Hey,
     I was thinking. I would really like to have a radio on my soundless
FLHT. But the Harley radio kit is about $750 all told and that doesn't
include having to do my own instllation. It would seem to me I could get any
decently priced marine radio (needs to be water-proof/resistant) and
speakers for a better price. Does anyone have anythoughts on this, or know
anyone who would? Feel free to hit me off list at this address or
HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX as I know it affect relatively few on this list.

Howard J. Koontz
2001 Harley Daidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard --> 600 miles a week so far.
Didn't see any of you once.
1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project



From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun  4 21:52:16 2001
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 21:46:19 -0400
From: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>
To: "Howard J. Koontz" <HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX>
CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Harley radio?

Clue - not all marine radios are water resistant - the one's they usually put in
new boats are $20 cheapos.  True story, I sold boats.  The feature you need is
the auto sound volume, reads the ambient noise and pumps up the volume so you
can hear it, and backs off when you slow down/stop.  But I'm sure *someone*
offers an m/c type radio at less than $750.

Bill

Howard J. Koontz wrote:

> Hey,
>      I was thinking. I would really like to have a radio on my soundless
> FLHT. But the Harley radio kit is about $750 all told and that doesn't
> include having to do my own instllation. It would seem to me I could get any
> decently priced marine radio (needs to be water-proof/resistant) and
> speakers for a better price. Does anyone have anythoughts on this, or know
> anyone who would? Feel free to hit me off list at this address or
> HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX as I know it affect relatively few on this list.
>
> Howard J. Koontz
> 2001 Harley Daidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard --> 600 miles a week so far.
> Didn't see any of you once.
> 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project


From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun  5 08:41:14 2001
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 05:41:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Leon Begeman <mriderleon@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Harley radio?
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

If you're going to put regular speakers on the bike,
don't skimp.  It takes a lot of volume to overpower
the wind and motor noise at 70 mph.

Lately I've been putting speakers in the helmet and
using those instead.  BassMonsters used to be the only
choice, but now J&M, Chatterbox and others have pretty
good headsets for helmets

Putting the speakers in the helmet also allows for a
reasonably priced CB/FRS/intercom to be integrated
into the system.  The microphone is not difficult to
mount when the speakers have to go in there anyway.

Leon.
--- "Howard J. Koontz" <HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Hey,
>      I was thinking. I would really like to have a
> radio on my soundless
> FLHT. But the Harley radio kit is about $750 all
> told and that doesn't
> include having to do my own instllation. It would
> seem to me I could get any
> decently priced marine radio (needs to be
> water-proof/resistant) and
> speakers for a better price. Does anyone have
> anythoughts on this, or know
> anyone who would? Feel free to hit me off list at
> this address or
> HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX as I know it affect relatively
> few on this list.
>
> Howard J. Koontz
> 2001 Harley Daidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard -->
> 600 miles a week so far.
> Didn't see any of you once.
> 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project
>
>


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From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun  5 08:51:00 2001
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 05:50:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scratch <iefbr142000@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Harley radio?
To: DCC <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>

Howard wrote:
> I would really like to have a radio on my soundless
> FLHT.

But you have all that classic 'merican motor music
already!

Rich

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From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun  5 09:36:04 2001
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 06:36:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nomad <nomad98@XXXXXX>
Subject: Attn: Chris Weaver
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

Chris:
E-mail me when you get the chance regarding a possible employment
opportunity.
Herb
Nomad98@XXXXXX

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From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun  5 09:48:34 2001
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 09:45:13 -0400
From: Dale Horstman <the.horkster@XXXXXX>
Subject: East Coast BBG
To: DC Cycles List <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>

Just trying to guage the interest in an East Coast BBG
group record attempt in order to shush the self-proclaimed
big dawgs out west.  Mid July, start in Raleigh, NC, down
to Fort Lauderdale, across Alligator Alley, end up in Lower
Alabama, that'd leave a near-1000 mile day to get back home.

We need around 40 riders to break the record.  Anyone
here interested?  I'm doing it.

Horkster

--
Mandatory second line (CM tm)

Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX  AWSHIDT #322 - 27 of 99 done.
Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth

'98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer
'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi
'82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress

From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun  5 12:19:24 2001
From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX
To: "lisa@XXXXXX" <lgoddard@XXXXXX>
Cc: dccycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: red light this morning
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 12:25:44 -0700

You have to watch out behind you too...

I was going down GA ave towards U street...  following a lady friend
riding her 93 gsxr 750.  The light turned yellow while she was in the
intersection, and I slowed down to stop for the soon to be red light..

I checked my mirror as I was braking to stop.. and I saw a car right
on my ass.. I guess the moron behind me thought I was going to rip
through the intersection..   so I modulated my brakes to keep a decent
space between us. So I come to a near stop after the white line so
that moron could come to a  stop first.

No way was I going to let that moron run me through an intersection
so I turned right on the street by howard U hospital.. then I figured,
well my friend is probably still on GA ave, so I hit a U turn, got the
green light, made a right and got back with her at the corner of U.

I'm glad I have mirrors,  good braking technique, and awareness to
check my mirrors.

Be safe out there!

Danny


From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun  5 13:20:43 2001
From: "Laura Granato" <lgranato@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: new member info section
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 13:22:19 -0400

Due to my HTML-challenged self, I have redone the bios section into a format
that I will be able to update easily.  I have NOT hooked up the web site
links in people's bios yet, so please don't email me telling me they don't
work. :-)  Take a peek.  Hopefully soon I'll be able to link each person's
name to their bio, but for now, this works.

I have a few more I have to add.  If anyone else wants their bio added, now
would be a great time to send me your info!!!!

Thanks!
Laura
www.dccycles.com


From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun  5 13:39:54 2001
From: "Laura Granato" <lgranato@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: featured member stuff needed
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 13:41:34 -0400

Hi all! I've added a new section in our member info section on the site.
It's called the "featured member" section.  Every few weeks I will feature a
new member on the site, so start sending me your stuff!!!

Here are a few questions to answer, but feel free to send me anything you
want to put up!!!

Name
Age
occupation
Personal Status
How many years riding
Current Bike
Dream Bike
Took MSF course?
best advice anyone ever gave you about riding
Scariest Moment on Your bike
Dumbest Thing you've ever done on your bike
Best advice for those getting into riding
Have you ever crashed? If so, share how and why (so others can learn)
Favorite part about riding
Biggest revelation you've had while riding
favorite motorcycle shop


TIA
Laura
favorite roads




From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun  5 16:51:06 2001
From: "Paul Wilson" <pawilson@XXXXXX>
To: "dc-cycles list" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: red light this morning
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 16:51:15 -0400

----- Original Message -----
From: <daniel_ex250@XXXXXX>

>You have to watch out behind you too...

>I was going down GA ave towards U street...  following a lady friend
>riding her 93 gsxr 750.  The light turned yellow while she was in the
>intersection, and I slowed down to stop for the soon to be red light..

>I checked my mirror as I was braking to stop.. and I saw a car right
>on my ass..

A very sound piece of advice.  MSF thumps on this, and with good reason.
What's the first thing you do when slowing to a stop?  Check your mirrors
for traffic behind you.  (Notice:  I put that tidbit in question form.  My
fellow newbie instructors out there will fully appreciate why I did that!)

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F
MSF certified instructor


From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun  5 19:06:01 2001
From: MJordan666@XXXXXX
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 19:05:46 EDT
Subject: Horns
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX


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I just put a set of Fiamms on that I got for Christmas a year or so back.

The bike no longer goes "Yoo-hoo, excuse me"

It now goes "GO HOME AND CHANGE YOUR UNDERWARE!"

I'm gonna troll for a BDC not paying attention...

Michael J.


--part1_e3.15c0bb9c.284ebfca_boundary

<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>I just put a set of Fiamms on that I got for Christmas a year or so back.
<BR>
<BR>The bike no longer goes "Yoo-hoo, excuse me"
<BR>
<BR>It now goes "GO HOME AND CHANGE YOUR UNDERWARE!"
<BR>
<BR>I'm gonna troll for a BDC not paying attention...
<BR>
<BR>Michael J.
<BR></FONT></HTML>

--part1_e3.15c0bb9c.284ebfca_boundary--

From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun  5 19:05:51 2001
From: MJordan666@XXXXXX
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 19:05:40 EDT
Subject: Horns
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX


--part1_a1.1668181d.284ebfc4_boundary

I just put a set of Fiamms on that I got for Christmas a year or so back.

The bike no longer goes "Yoo-hoo, excuse me"

It now goes "GO HOME AND CHANGE YOUR UNDERWARE!"

I'm gonna troll for a BDC not paying attention...

Michael J.


--part1_a1.1668181d.284ebfc4_boundary

<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>I just put a set of Fiamms on that I got for Christmas a year or so back.
<BR>
<BR>The bike no longer goes "Yoo-hoo, excuse me"
<BR>
<BR>It now goes "GO HOME AND CHANGE YOUR UNDERWARE!"
<BR>
<BR>I'm gonna troll for a BDC not paying attention...
<BR>
<BR>Michael J.
<BR></FONT></HTML>

--part1_a1.1668181d.284ebfc4_boundary--

From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun  5 22:19:48 2001
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 22:19:35 -0400
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
From: Andrew Culpepper <biga@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: East Coast BBG

At 09:45 AM 6/5/01 , you wrote:
>Just trying to guage the interest in an East Coast BBG
>group record attempt in order to shush the self-proclaimed
>big dawgs out west.  Mid July, start in Raleigh, NC, down
>to Fort Lauderdale, across Alligator Alley, end up in Lower
>Alabama, that'd leave a near-1000 mile day to get back home.
>
>We need around 40 riders to break the record.  Anyone
>here interested?  I'm doing it.
>
>Horkster

Good luck Dale.  I think it's the wrong time of year.  Maybe in December?

How 'bout we go to Mid-Ohio for the Vintage Races via Raleigh, Chattanooga,
Paducah, and Terra Haute.  We can start from the Woodbridge Commuter
Lot.  Or, if you want to start in Raleigh, we could hit Memphis too.  SA6
says we can do it in 23:07 averaging 70mph on the interstate.
This would be just about double my farthest day. :-)

Seriously though, I think it would be very difficult east of the Mississippi.

Andrew
'90 EX500


From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun  5 22:51:37 2001
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 19:51:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Suzookus Maximus <suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX>
Subject: Footpeg Riding Style
To: DC Cycles List <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>

Wanted to get some opinions from you all about where
you put your feet on the pegs. :)

Personally, I like to ride with ball of my foot on the
peg and just move it up a little to shift or brake. I
was thinking that it might be better just to ride with
the middle of my foot centered on the peg. However it
always feels kind of weird to me to keep it there for
long.

I don't usually have to shift that much on my bike on
most streets or back roads; I usually stick it in
third or fourth and ride up and down the powerband.
Anything above that tends to get me into 'wreckless'
territory. :0 Recently, I was thinking that the extra
tenths of a second might save me someday with the
right foot that much closer to the brake and it might
be worth 'get-n used to.'

Comments?

-jeff

=====
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->email: suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX
->web: http://profiles.yahoo.com/suzookusmaximus

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From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 07:07:47 2001
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 04:07:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Gimer <t_gimer@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Footpeg Riding Style
To: Suzookus Maximus <suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX>,
   DC Cycles List <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>

--- Suzookus Maximus <suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Wanted to get some opinions from you all about where
> you put your feet on the pegs. :)
>
> Personally, I like to ride with ball of my foot on the
> peg and just move it up a little to shift or brake. I
> was thinking that it might be better just to ride with
> the middle of my foot centered on the peg. However it
> always feels kind of weird to me to keep it there for
> long.
>
> I don't usually have to shift that much on my bike on
> most streets or back roads; I usually stick it in
> third or fourth and ride up and down the powerband.
> Anything above that tends to get me into 'wreckless'
> territory. :0

wreckless = good
reckless = bad

in virginia, reckless can be easily found in first or
second gear; third and fourth are for jail time; fifth and
sixth are useless.



> Recently, I was thinking that the extra
> tenths of a second might save me someday with the
> right foot that much closer to the brake and it might
> be worth 'get-n used to.'
>
> Comments?

it really depends on your riding conditions.  and, it is
entirely possible to grind the toes off your boots if you
get your foot stuck under the shifter/lever.  also, in my
opinion, if you "cover" the rear brake, you're more likely
to use too much of it and lock it up...also not good.  so,
in the twisties i put my weight on the balls of my feet and
get maximum clearance.  at many other times, i ride with my
feet under the shifter/lever for comfort.  always keeping
them in the same position is rather tiring....find a
consistent routine.





=====
tg

check out http://www.murphygimer.com

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From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 08:00:02 2001
From: "Todd Peer" <toddbpeer@XXXXXX>
To: "AA DC Cycles" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: East Coast BBG
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 07:58:17 -0400

Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 09:45:13 -0400
From: Dale Horstman <the.horkster@XXXXXX>
Subject: East Coast BBG
To: DC Cycles List <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>

Just trying to guage the interest in an East Coast BBG
group record attempt in order to shush the self-proclaimed
big dawgs out west.  Mid July, start in Raleigh, NC, down
to Fort Lauderdale, across Alligator Alley, end up in Lower
Alabama, that'd leave a near-1000 mile day to get back home.

We need around 40 riders to break the record.  Anyone
here interested?  I'm doing it.

Horkster
------------------------------------------------------------------

Me!

And for the very reason to shut them up already!

Todd (Springfield, VA)



From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 09:02:31 2001
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001  9:02 -0500
From: "Tuan Diep" <Tuan_Diep@XXXXXX>
To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: SV windshield

Does anyone know where I can get a good small windshield for the SV650?
THanks.    Tuan

From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 09:09:29 2001
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 06:09:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scratch <iefbr142000@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: Horns
To: MJordan666@XXXXXX, DCC <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>

Michael J. wrote...
"I just put a set of Fiamms on that I got for
Christmas a year or so back. "

I really like my Fiamm horn too.  It makes 'em think
there's a '71 Ford Galaxy 500 next to 'em.  I scared
the poop out of a cager on Sterling Blvd the other
day. I watched him drifting back and forth, and when
he finally drifted a little too far into my lane, I
gave him the TOOT (next to his open window). He jumped
so high, I think he banged his head on the roof of the
car. :)

Much more conducive to survival than my original
vintage Lucas horn.

Rich

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From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 10:19:25 2001
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 10:19:17 -0400
From: Chuck Pena <cvkgpena@XXXXXX>
To: DC Cycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
CC: parr@XXXXXX, novamgr@XXXXXX
Subject: Bike Night @ The Rock

Just a reminder to y'all that this Saturday, June 9th is Bike Night @
The Rock in DC from 5pm to 9pm.  We have the parking lot adjacent to The
Rock reserved for motorcycles.  The rooftop will be open.  Motorcycle
videos on the big screen.  Should be loads of fun.  More info at

http://www.geocities.com/bikenight

If you're not going to the beach, you'd better be at The Rock!

Chuck

--
"Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai
visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas

From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 10:24:20 2001
From: "Rob Keiser" <robkeiser@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: SV windshield
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 10:12:45 -0400

You might try Arizona Motorsports.  Looks like they have the Givi, and maybe
could get the National Cycle one I've seen elsewhere.

They're very good to us on the VFR list.

http://store.yahoo.com/azmotorsports/suzukisv650.html
http://www.nationalcycle.com/

Hope it helps.

Rob
'98 VFR800


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From: "Tuan Diep" <Tuan_Diep@XXXXXX>
To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: SV windshield
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001  9:02 -0500

Does anyone know where I can get a good small windshield for the SV650?
THanks.    Tuan

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From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 10:32:00 2001
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 10:31:48 -0400
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
From: Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Horns

--============_-1220284587==_ma============

>It now goes "GO HOME AND CHANGE YOUR UNDERWARE!"


Underware? Is that something that you put under your computer? You've
been in the Eastern Technology Corridor too long......

--
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the
skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #230 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html

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<html><head><style type="text/css"><!--
blockquote, dl, ul, ol, li { margin-top: 0 ; margin-bottom: 0 }
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<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Arial" size="-1">It now goes
&quot;GO HOME AND CHANGE YOUR UNDERWARE!&quot;</font></blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Underware? Is that something that you put under your computer?
You've been in the Eastern Technology Corridor too long......</div>
<div><br></div>

<div>-- <br>
&quot;For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and
the skillful defiance of it.&quot;<br>
<br>
-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)<br>
<br>
Sean Jordan<br>
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing<br>
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)<br>
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)<br>
WERA #230 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038<br>
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/j<span
></span>ordanracing.html<br>
</div>
</body>
</html>
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From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 10:46:38 2001
From: "Randy Moran" <jmoran@XXXXXX>
To: "Suzookus Maximus" <suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX>,
   "DC Cycles List" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: Footpeg Riding Style
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 07:41:54 -0400

I always ride with the balls of my feet on the pegs. Don't know if it's
better or not but it just feels better and it's also less likely that I'll
scuff my toes at heavy lean angles. I suppose the "foot closer to the brake
pedal" is a valid point, but in my case I don't use the back brake at all so
it doesn't matter.

Randy

-----Original Message-----
From: Suzookus Maximus [mailto:suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX]
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 10:52 PM
To: DC Cycles List
Subject: Footpeg Riding Style


Wanted to get some opinions from you all about where
you put your feet on the pegs. :)

Personally, I like to ride with ball of my foot on the
peg and just move it up a little to shift or brake. I
was thinking that it might be better just to ride with
the middle of my foot centered on the peg. However it
always feels kind of weird to me to keep it there for
long.

I don't usually have to shift that much on my bike on
most streets or back roads; I usually stick it in
third or fourth and ride up and down the powerband.
Anything above that tends to get me into 'wreckless'
territory. :0 Recently, I was thinking that the extra
tenths of a second might save me someday with the
right foot that much closer to the brake and it might
be worth 'get-n used to.'

Comments?

-jeff

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From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 11:05:13 2001
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 11:05:00 -0400
From: Chuck Pena <cvkgpena@XXXXXX>
To: Tuan Diep <Tuan_Diep@XXXXXX>
CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: SV windshield

Tuan,

The June 2001 issue of "Motorcyclist" had an article about "hopping up"
an SV.  The pic they had showed a Suzuki add-on quarter fairing
color-matched (red, in this case) to the bike.  Seemed kinda pricey at a
suggested retail of $429.99, however.  But along with the Targa solo
seat cowl, gave the naked SV a really nice look.

Chuck, aka Deerhunter

Tuan Diep wrote:
>
> Does anyone know where I can get a good small windshield for the SV650?
> THanks.    Tuan

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visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas

From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 11:10:34 2001
From: "Laura Granato" <lgranato@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: new article up...
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 11:12:12 -0400

article 2 of mine is up on www.roadracers.com

:-)
Laura


From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 11:27:29 2001
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 10:25:25 -0500
From: "George Cole" <George.Cole@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>, <Tuan_Diep@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: SV windshield

Tuan,

Check out the archives on svrider.com, there is a ton of info on different windscreens/fairings. A lot of people seem to like the Buell flyscreen.

I had a Targa on my SV, It took a lot of wind off of your mid section, but the windblast was directed right into my helmet and created lots of wind noise. The hole for the headlight was smaller than the light and at night the inside of the fairing was all lit up. I added some foam rubber to fix that.

Regards,

George Cole


George M Cole
Technology Consultant
www.boisetech.com
301-523-4161
FAX 1-888-240-3154

>>> "Tuan Diep" <Tuan_Diep@XXXXXX> 06/06 9:20 AM >>>
Does anyone know where I can get a good small windshield for the SV650?
THanks.    Tuan


From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 11:29:46 2001
From: "Laura Granato" <lgranato@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Check out todd's article
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 11:31:24 -0400

after many, many months of waiting...I wanted to announce that Todd's
article is up on the DC Cycles site in the articles section.  My public
apology goes out to Todd for it taking so long!!!

Laura


From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 11:53:20 2001
From: "Laura Granato" <lgranato@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: for those that don't understand
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 11:54:58 -0400

when you go to the member bios section, you will get to a main page.  when
you click on the bios link, it will take you to a page that has letters, and
a list of names...the list of names are not links yet.  click on a-c, d-e,
etc. and it will take you to the list members bios.  I figured it was easier
than scrolling through an entire list of names...you could see the members
names, and then click in to see their bios.  the way the page was set up
with tables before, I was unable to make changes or add new ones with my
limited HTML experience...this way I can add bios quickly and easily.

Laura


From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 13:03:20 2001
From: Cedric Bernescut <bernescut@XXXXXX>
To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: Horns
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 13:02:43 -0400

It's moments like this that make life worth living :)
Cedric

He jumped so high, I think he banged his head on the roof of the car. :)
Rich

From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 13:36:31 2001
From: "Jon Strang" <jmstrang@XXXXXX>
To: "DC Cycles" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: FW: Budds Creek
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 13:36:34 -0400
X-SLUIDL: 96863673-5A9211D5-8E080060-08C770E5

try again, bounced off of my server.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Strang [mailto:jmstrang@XXXXXX]
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 12:46 PM
To: DC Cycles
Subject: Budds Creek



Anyone going?

--jon (newbie to this list and lurker for about 30 hours)
2001 Suzuki Bandit 1200 (black and nekkid)

From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 14:43:59 2001
From: "Greg Thompson" <johnnyteardrop@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: riding to hoot
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 14:44:55 -0400

i'm looking for one or more riding buddies for the hoot in two weeks.  my
plan is:

leave dc area on tues (19th) sometime in the late afternoon
ride halfway, stop for dinner/motel
wake up weds and finish the ride

anyone care to join me?
--
        -greg

From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 15:10:25 2001
From: "Matthew Patton" <pattonme@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 14:10:17 -0500
Subject: rain tire advice needed

I looked at our archives (which are way out of date - attn. maintainer!) for hints. I have BT56 (I think) on my newly acquired race bike (GS500E) but apparently they don't do too well in the wet. (PO lowsided in drizzle. blamed the tires - no comment on my part)

So, seeing as how track days, various track schools, and what have you run rain or shine I'd like to know what tires I should look at. Are plain ol' street tires (eg. Metzler Z4, Mich Pilot's, BT10/20's) perfect for this duty? Or is there something unique to "rains". Or since I'm a rank newbie should I just ride?


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From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 15:38:37 2001
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 15:33:07 -0400
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
From: Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: rain tire advice needed

Rain tires are super sticky and deeply grooved. They provide amazing
traction in the wet. However, don't use them in the dry; they will
chunk up and fly apart in less time than you would think possible.
DOT tires are ok for wet racing/track use, but you must ride very
easy. If you look at most DOT race tires, the tread stops 1/2" from
the edge of the tire. If you hit that "slick" edge in the wet, you
will experience a marked decrease in available traction. (Don't ask
me how I know this.) The grooves on street DOT's goes out farther.

--
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the
skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #230 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html


From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 16:36:42 2001
Content-return: allowed
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 16:36:07 -0400
From: "Ledford, Calvin" <cledford@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: riding to hoot
To: "'Greg Thompson'" <johnnyteardrop@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX

Greg,

I'd ride with you, but I'm going down early on the 15th to visit family for
a few days prior.  I may be free to head back on the 23rd, but am
considering a quick run up to Indiana before heading home so don't know my
route yet.

If you'd like to hook up for a beer or something while the Hoot is going on,
please email me off-list and I'll give you my cell.  I'll have it with me in
Knoxville and wouldn't mind meeting up with a fellow lister.

-Calvin Ledford
'00VFR800 Interceptor
'84 VF500F Interceptor

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Thompson [mailto:johnnyteardrop@XXXXXX]
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 2:45 PM
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: riding to hoot


i'm looking for one or more riding buddies for the hoot in two weeks.  my
plan is:

leave dc area on tues (19th) sometime in the late afternoon
ride halfway, stop for dinner/motel
wake up weds and finish the ride

anyone care to join me?
--
        -greg

From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 16:54:48 2001
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 16:54:30 -0400
To: ielliott@XXXXXX, "Palmisano, Chris" <cpalmisa@XXXXXX>,
   Jason Kopp <jkopp@XXXXXX>, Jennifer Addie <Jennifer_Addie@XXXXXX>,
   squeekygal@XXXXXX, renee@XXXXXX, dshaub@XXXXXX, tfowler@XXXXXX,
   dc-cycles@XXXXXX, katieareynolds@XXXXXX, thomasajordan@XXXXXX
From: Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX>
Subject: Team Jordan Racing in the news!

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Local Man Engages in Death-Defying Sport
Roiters
Jun 6 2001 4:12PM
STERLING (Reuters) - During the week, twenty-two-year-old Sean Jordan
can be found behind his desk analyzing computer systems and
diagnosing problems for mega-ISP UUNET Technologies. Plain in
appearance and mild in demeanor, he blends into the background and
appears to be average in all respects.

Not on the weekends, however.

As owner and team captain of Team Jordan Racing, (an affiliate of
DC-Cycles Racing), he participates in the most dangerous and visually
dramatic motorsport in the world: motorcycle roadracing. Brightly
colored machines, leather-clad riders, speeds topping 180 miles per
hour at some tracks, engines howling, knees dragging. On most
weekends in the summer, at racetracks throughout the country,
hundreds of racers gather to race and socialize and, most
importantly, to push themselves and their machines to the limit.

Why does he do this?

"I've always enjoyed motorsports of all kinds." he says, "I had been
riding a motorcycles for years when I met some guys that were into
road-racing. A friend of mine loaned me his old race bike, and I gave
it a try. I was instantly hooked!"

=46ellow teammate Randy Moran, (team-mentor) reflected on his 10 year
career as road-racer.  "I was instantly captivated by the terrible
beauty and grace of the sport.", he says, and most enjoys "the
camaraderie between racers."

But you don't have to race, or even own a motorcycle to enjoy
roadracing. This Saturday and Sunday, Team Jordan Racing will be
competing at Summit Point Raceway, West Virginia. A 60 minute drive
from Northern Virginia, Summit Point is set in the beautiful
foothills of the Appalachian mountains. Entries fees on Sunday are
$15, and there will be plenty of beverages and snacks for all guests
of Team Jordan/DC-Cycles Racing. Please contact Sean for further
information and directions.


Copyright =A9 2001 Roiters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication
or redistribution of Roiters content, including by framing or
similiar means, is expressly prohibited without the prior written
consent of Roiters. Roiters shall not be liable for any errors or
delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon.
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<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1" color=3D"#000000"><b>Local Man Engages
in Death-Defying Sport</b></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1" color=3D"#999999">Roiters</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1" color=3D"#999999">Jun 6 2001
4:12PM</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1" color=3D"#000000">STERLING (Reuters)
- During the week, twenty-two-year-old Sean Jordan can be found
behind his desk analyzing computer systems and diagnosing problems
for mega-ISP UUNET Technologies. Plain in appearance and mild in
demeanor, he blends into the background and appears to be average in
all respects.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1" color=3D"#000000"><br></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1" color=3D"#000000">Not on the
weekends, however.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1" color=3D"#000000"><br></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1" color=3D"#000000">As owner and team
captain of Team Jordan Racing, (an affiliate of DC-Cycles Racing), he
participates in the most dangerous and visually dramatic motorsport
in the world: motorcycle roadracing. Brightly colored machines,
leather-clad riders, speeds topping 180 miles per hour at some
tracks, engines howling, knees dragging. On most weekends in the
summer, at racetracks throughout the country, hundreds of racers
gather to race and socialize and, most importantly, to push
themselves and their machines to the limit.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1" color=3D"#000000"><br></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1" color=3D"#000000">Why does he do
this?</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1" color=3D"#000000"><br></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1" color=3D"#000000">&quot;I've always
enjoyed motorsports of all kinds.&quot; he says, &quot;I had been
riding a motorcycles for years when I met some guys that were into
road-racing. A friend of mine loaned me his old race bike, and I gave
it a try. I was instantly hooked!&quot;</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1" color=3D"#000000"><br></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1">Fellow teammate Randy Moran,
(team-mentor) reflected on his 10 year career as road-racer.&nbsp;
&quot;I was instantly captivated by the terrible beauty and grace of
the sport.&quot;, he says, and most enjoys &quot;the camaraderie
between racers.&quot;</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1"><br></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1">But you don't have to race, or even
own a motorcycle to enjoy roadracing. This Saturday and Sunday, Team
Jordan Racing will be competing at Summit Point Raceway, West
Virginia. A 60 minute drive from Northern Virginia, Summit Point is
set in the beautiful foothills of the Appalachian mountains. Entries
fees on Sunday are $15, and there will be plenty of beverages and
snacks for all guests of Team Jordan/DC-Cycles Racing. Please contact
Sean for further information and directions.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1"><br></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1" color=3D"#000000"><br></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1" color=3D"#999999">Copyright =A9 2001
Roiters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution
of Roiters content, including by framing or similiar means, is
expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Roiters.
Roiters shall not be liable for any errors or delays in the content,
or for any actions taken in reliance thereon.</font></div>
</body>
</html>
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From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 17:05:03 2001
From: "Laura Granato" <lgranato@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Cc: "Cassandra Eckert" <c_eckert@XXXXXX>
Subject: Fw: Biker Bash Cancer Fundraiser
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 17:06:40 -0400

I am passing this along.  Although I won't be in town this day, if I were
here, I would be.  If anyone can attend, I think it would be great!  Not
only does it sound like a lot of fun, it helps a good cause.

Laura Granato
'99 suzuki GS500E (street bike)
'00 Aprilia rs250 (race bike)
www.dccycles.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cassandra Eckert" <c_eckert@XXXXXX>
To: <lgranato@XXXXXX>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 4:32 PM
Subject: Biker Bash Cancer Fundraiser


> I was hoping you could take a few minutes and post this cancer
> fundraising event on your website calendar. It would mean so much to so
> many. Please let me know if you are able to do so. If not, please feel
> free to inform your friends of the event. It is sure to be a good time.
>
> Biker Bash : Helping Kids "Kick Cancer"
>
> Join G. Gordon Liddy, Brett Conway, Steven Alexander, Champ Bailey, &
> Corey Raymer of the Washington Redskins, former Super Bowl Champion
> Ricky Ervins, and local sports talents and media personalities. You
> don't have to have a bike to have fun. Come by the Birchmere and watch
> the riders roll in!!! $20 Bash only per person. $25 pre-registration per
>
> person.
>
> Sunday June 24th 2001
> Registration begins at 10 am. Ride begins at 12 noon.
> Route: From 9407 Livingston Road, Fort Washington, MD 20744 to the
> Birchmere 3701 Mt. Vernon Ave. Alexandria VA, 2230 (approx. 29 miles)
>
> Bash: Celebrate at the Birchmere in Alexandria. Meet & greet celebrity
> riders and enjoy an afternoon of fun, food & live music.
>
> What to do:
> 1st Gear: SIGN UP (driver and passenger must register separately)
>
> 2nd Gear: RAISE MONEY (ask friends, relatives, and business associates
> to sponsor you by making a tax deductable donation to the Leukemia &
> Lymphoma Society.
>
> 3rd Gear: MAKE YOUR RIDE COUNT (Turn in your sponsor envelope and
> donations on the day of the ride)
>
> Fundraising Incentives!
>
> $20 Gets you admission to bash only.
>
> $25/35 Bash admission and commemorative event pin.
>
> $100 Event T-shirt, all of the above, PLUS unlimited food & total of 3
> beverage tickets.
>
> $250 Event Polo shirt, autographed photo of Brett Conway of the
> Washington Redskins & all of the above.
>
> $500 Name entered in drawing for 2 Redskins' tickets & all of the above.
>
> $1,000 Named entered in drawing for an official Harley-Davidson jacket
> autographed by Washington Redskins' players & personally autographed to
> the winner by "Wille G" of Harley Davidson. Also your picture with Brett
>
> Conway in front of a Harley, and all of the above.
>
> *Event polo shirts & autographed photos will be mailed after the ride.
>
> For more information and registration forms please call Erin Ward @
> 301-248-1200.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Cassandra Eckert
> Editor in Chief
> DCity Magazine
> http://www.dcitymag.com
>
>
>
>
>


From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 17:32:32 2001
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 14:32:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Gimer <t_gimer@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news!
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

what the hell is roiters?  is this a spoof?  an
autobiography?

death-defying?  whatever.

i wish the yanker would stop yanking.



--- Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Local Man Engages in Death-Defying Sport
> Roiters
<snip of self-promoting "article">

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From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 17:45:33 2001
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 14:45:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Hugh Caldwell <twg@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news!


	So are there a lot of members on the Jordan racing team or
is it an army of one?

----------------------------------------------------------------
Hugh A. Caldwell     BeGeek   Simpleton#9   ZR750-C2    VFR800FI
----------------------------------------------------------------



From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 17:54:52 2001
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 17:54:33 -0400
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
From: Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news!

>what the hell is roiters?

A spoof of "reuters".

>  is this a spoof?

Yes. Didn't I just say that?

>   an
>autobiography?

Sort of.

>
>death-defying?

Road-racing = death-defying. Fellow racers, back me up on this.
WSDYMOFO Rides are not death-defying. Bring your 996 out to the track
sometime, pretty boy. Me and my 400 will show you "death-defying".

>  whatever.

     whatever times infinity. Ha! I win. Sucker.

>
>i wish the yanker would stop yanking.

What's got you so convinced that I'm the yanker anyways? I've never
had to hide behind a fabricated persona to voice my opinions. I think
it's Randy Moran. Go read his past posts; he's mister enlightened
verbosity man.

This was just a fun way to tell everyone that it's another
race-weekend at Summit point, and that they should come out to drink
beer and spectate, and NOT spend that money on pizza and a movie with
their loved-one.



--
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the
skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #230 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html


From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 18:04:14 2001
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 18:02:04 -0400
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
From: Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news!

>	So are there a lot of members on the Jordan racing team or
>is it an army of one?

Team Jordan Racing is comprised of several dedicated, talented individuals.

Team Owner: Sean Jordan
Team Captain: Sean Jordan
Principal Rider: Sean Jordan
Chief Mechanic: Sean Jordan
Endurance Riders: Randy Moran & Randy Nusbaum

And also anyone that has the last name "Jordan". That's why we're
here. To bring awareness towards to issues that Jordans everywhere
face every day.

Or something like that.

--
Sean Jordan
Macintosh Systems Analyst
(703)-886-7661
UUNET Technologies
A WORLDCOM Company

From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 18:13:27 2001
From: "Laura Granato" <lgranato@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>, "Sean Jordan" <sean.jordan@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news!
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 18:14:57 -0400

>
> This was just a fun way to tell everyone that it's another
> race-weekend at Summit point, and that they should come out to drink
> beer and spectate, and NOT spend that money on pizza and a movie with
> their loved-one.
>
I second that! And, you can even get back in time for bike night.

Come watch Jordan and I duel it out on the track.  It's on suck-aaaaaaaaaa.

LAG


From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 18:17:02 2001
X-Apparently-From: <rydin@XXXXXX>
From: "rydin" <rydin@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: Team Jordan Racing in the news!
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 18:15:16 -0700

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

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Team Jordan Racing in the news!Eh...so there will be snacks huh ?

Niv
BMW F650ST
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Sean Jordan [mailto:sean.jordan@XXXXXX]
  Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 1:55 PM
  To: ielliott@XXXXXX; Palmisano, Chris; Jason Kopp; Jennifer Addie;
squeekygal@XXXXXX; renee@XXXXXX; dshaub@XXXXXX; tfowler@XXXXXX;
dc-cycles@XXXXXX; katieareynolds@XXXXXX; thomasajordan@XXXXXX
  Subject: Team Jordan Racing in the news!


  "...and there will be plenty of beverages and snacks for all guests of
Team Jordan/DC-Cycles Racing. "


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1:55=20
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Jennifer=20
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From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 18:49:56 2001
From: "Laura Granato" <lgranato@XXXXXX>
To: "rydin" <rydin@XXXXXX>, <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news!
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 18:51:31 -0400

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Team Jordan Racing in the news!according to Jordan, he will have snacks =
for everyone. Can we put in requests? ;-)
Laura

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: rydin=20
  To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX=20
  Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 9:15 PM
  Subject: RE: Team Jordan Racing in the news!


  Eh...so there will be snacks huh ?

  Niv
  BMW F650ST
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Sean Jordan [mailto:sean.jordan@XXXXXX]
    Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 1:55 PM
    To: ielliott@XXXXXX; Palmisano, Chris; Jason Kopp; Jennifer =
Addie; squeekygal@XXXXXX; renee@XXXXXX; dshaub@XXXXXX; tfowler@XXXXXX; =
dc-cycles@XXXXXX; katieareynolds@XXXXXX; =
thomasajordan@XXXXXX
    Subject: Team Jordan Racing in the news!


    "...and there will be plenty of beverages and snacks for all guests =
of Team Jordan/DC-Cycles Racing. "
    =20

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From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 18:56:27 2001
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 18:56:27 -0400
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
From: Larry Larson <llarson@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Fw: Biker Bash Cancer Fundraiser
Cc: "Laura Granato" <lgranato@XXXXXX>

At 05:06 PM 6/6/01, Laura wrote:
>...  Although I won't be in town this day, if I were
>here, I would be.


Not by any chance a Dubbya speech writer, are you? 8;)

-- Larry





From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 19:11:29 2001
From: "Laura Granato" <lgranato@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>, "Larry Larson" <llarson@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Fw: Biker Bash Cancer Fundraiser
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 19:12:46 -0400


Although I won't be in town this day, if I were
> >here, I would be.
>
>
> Not by any chance a Dubbya speech writer, are you? 8;)
>
> -- Larry
>
Right now I really wish I were...I, too, am riding the jobless
train...anyone needing any freelance copyediting or writing...feel free to
contact me!! :-)

Laura


From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 19:37:45 2001
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 16:37:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Adam Reinhardt <ajreinhardt@XXXXXX>
Subject: Hawk in Distress
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX


  I saw a Honda Hawk with an electrical problem this
afternoon on Beach Drive.  Any chance it was a list
member?  I would have stayed chatted longer (I was on
the red/white/blue CBR), but that would have entailed
continuing to block all southbound traffic.

  I must admit I was surprised to see the Hawk with
almost the same exact problem I had experienced this
morning; specifically rough idling and a wandering
tach.  Pulling a spider's nest out from under the
rubber covers which house the wires from the battery
to the starter relay switch solved my problem.

  How did you make out?


Adam Reinhardt
89 CBR

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From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 20:07:48 2001
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 17:07:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Gimer <t_gimer@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news!
To: Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX

--- Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX> wrote:
> >death-defying?
>
> Road-racing = death-defying. Fellow racers, back me up on
> this. WSDYMOFO Rides are not death-defying. Bring your
> 996 out to the track sometime, pretty boy. Me and my 400
> will show you "death-defying".

how many people died last year at summit or other local
tracks?  a closed-course environment with a high level of
body protection just doesn't qualify as death-defying to
me.  and i don't think our rides are either....i wouldn't
want to be a part of a weekly "death-defying" activity.

you want "death-defying"?  take up cliff diving or some
other insane sport.


> >  whatever.
>
>      whatever times infinity. Ha! I win. Sucker.
>
> >
> >i wish the yanker would stop yanking.
>
> What's got you so convinced that I'm the yanker anyways?
> I've never had to hide behind a fabricated persona to
> voice my opinions. I think it's Randy Moran. Go read his
> past posts; he's mister enlightened verbosity man.

YOU are Dick E. Anker.  actually, most people knew that one
before i did, judging by the responses i got after my last
post on this topic.


> This was just a fun way to tell everyone that it's
> another race-weekend at Summit point, and that they
> should come out to drink beer and spectate, and NOT spend

> that money on pizza and a movie with their loved-one.

fine.  i apparently lost that message buried somewhere in
the bullshit.  but, i certainly did not miss your attempt
to display your balls to me and the list.  i have no
interest in getting out on the racetrack with some young
punk with an attitude.  i wonder if anyone here
does....hmmmm





=====
tg

check out http://www.murphygimer.com

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From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 20:17:59 2001
From: RacerGirl435@XXXXXX
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 20:17:45 EDT
Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news!
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

In a message dated 6/6/01 7:05:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Laura Granato
writes:

<< Team Jordan Racing in the news!according to Jordan, he will have snacks =
for everyone. Can we put in requests? ;-)
Laura>>

Hey Laura!

You and Roach are then ones with the Aprilia RS250's!  Why don't YOU guys buy
beer and snacks for everybody eh!?  hehe

Non-motorcycle having wanna be racing an Aprilia RS250,
Jess

From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 20:42:07 2001
From: "Dave Yates" <sdave@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: Team Jordan Racing in the news!
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 20:44:19 -0400

Gimer contributed:
--- Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX> wrote:
> >death-defying?
>
> Road-racing = death-defying. Fellow racers, back me up on
> this. WSDYMOFO Rides are not death-defying. Bring your
> 996 out to the track sometime, pretty boy. Me and my 400
> will show you "death-defying".

how many people died last year at summit or other local
tracks?  a closed-course environment with a high level of
body protection just doesn't qualify as death-defying to
me.  and i don't think our rides are either....i wouldn't
want to be a part of a weekly "death-defying" activity.

		Now  THIS is more like it.  A little flavor for the list.  A good ol'
fashioned flame fest, in the tradition of Squeakers :)


you want "death-defying"?  take up cliff diving or some
other insane sport.

		Yeah.  Like fessing up to the porn number charges on the Amex bill to
the wife...



> >  whatever.
>
>      whatever times infinity. Ha! I win. Sucker.
>
> >
> >i wish the yanker would stop yanking.
>
> What's got you so convinced that I'm the yanker anyways?
> I've never had to hide behind a fabricated persona to
> voice my opinions. I think it's Randy Moran. Go read his
> past posts; he's mister enlightened verbosity man.

YOU are Dick E. Anker.  actually, most people knew that one
before i did, judging by the responses i got after my last
post on this topic.


		Damn.  I'd almost forgotten Yanker...



> This was just a fun way to tell everyone that it's
> another race-weekend at Summit point, and that they
> should come out to drink beer and spectate, and NOT spend

> that money on pizza and a movie with their loved-one.

fine.  i apparently lost that message buried somewhere in
the bullshit.  but, i certainly did not miss your attempt
to display your balls to me and the list.  i have no
interest in getting out on the racetrack with some young
punk with an attitude.  i wonder if anyone here
does....hmmmm



		Tom, use your... uh... well...  experience, yeah, experience & skill.
Go out & watch, help in the pits...  a little clear nail polish on the
plug leads, loosen the kill switch, super glue on the leather zippers,
but whatever you do, DON"T put the fiberglass insulation dust in his
leathers...

<the above is purely for entertainment purposes>



Dave Yates




From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 02:21:15 2001
From: "James Reazor" <JReazor@XXXXXX>
To: "DC Cycles List" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: East Coast BBG
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 01:46:43 -0400

I have 2 questions. What does BBG stand for and, since there is no date
listed, will it be scheduled over a weekend. I'm all for shushing
self-proclaimed big dawgs regardless of where they're from, I just don't
want to burn too much vacation time to do it.

-James
'00 SV650

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Horstman" <the.horkster@XXXXXX>
To: "DC Cycles List" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 9:45 AM
Subject: East Coast BBG


> Just trying to guage the interest in an East Coast BBG
> group record attempt in order to shush the self-proclaimed
> big dawgs out west.  Mid July, start in Raleigh, NC, down
> to Fort Lauderdale, across Alligator Alley, end up in Lower
> Alabama, that'd leave a near-1000 mile day to get back home.
>
> We need around 40 riders to break the record.  Anyone
> here interested?  I'm doing it.
>
> Horkster
>
> --
> Mandatory second line (CM tm)
>
> Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX  AWSHIDT #322 - 27 of 99 done.
> Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth
>
> '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer
> '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi
> '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress



From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 06:52:49 2001
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 03:52:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Louis F. Caplan" <nighthawk700@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: East Coast BBG
To: James Reazor <JReazor@XXXXXX>, DC Cycles List <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>

--- James Reazor <JReazor@XXXXXX> wrote:
> I have 2 questions. What does BBG stand for and, since there is no date
> listed, will it be scheduled over a weekend. I'm all for shushing
> self-proclaimed big dawgs regardless of where they're from, I just don't
> want to burn too much vacation time to do it.

BBG = Bun Burner Gold = minimum 1,500 miles in 24 hrs.  The folks out west did
1,609 miles in under 24 hrs.

You can find more information on the Iron Butt pages:
(http://www.ironbutt.com)

Dale, keep this one rule in mind though, when recruiting people:  The Bun
Burner GOLD is a member of the Iron Butt Association's Extreme Ride series.
Before you can apply for any ride referenced by these rules, you must be a
successful finisher of either the SaddleSore 1000, SaddleSore 2000, 50cc Quest,
Alberta 2000, Capitol 1000, ... (*snip* or other recognized 24 hr rallies,
deleted long example list)  See: http://www.ironbutt.com/intro/bb/bbg.html



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From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 08:09:18 2001
From: "Todd Peer" <toddbpeer@XXXXXX>
To: "AA DC Cycles" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: re: Check out todd's article
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 08:07:31 -0400

From: "Laura Granato" <lgranato@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Check out todd's article
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 11:31:24 -0400

after many, many months of waiting...I wanted to announce that Todd's
article is up on the DC Cycles site in the articles section.  My public
apology goes out to Todd for it taking so long!!!

Laura
-----------------------------------------------------------
Accepted and thanks!  I just figured you had so many pots on the fire it
just got overlooked.

Todd (Springfield)




From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 08:14:44 2001
From: "Todd Peer" <toddbpeer@XXXXXX>
To: "AA DC Cycles" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news!
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 08:12:59 -0400

Sean Jordan wrote (Following Tom Gimer):
>
>death-defying?

Road-racing = death-defying. Fellow racers, back me up on this.
WSDYMOFO Rides are not death-defying.

----> They are when you attend Sean! ;-)
>
>i wish the yanker would stop yanking.

What's got you so convinced that I'm the yanker anyways? I've never
had to hide behind a fabricated persona to voice my opinions. I think
it's Randy Moran. Go read his past posts; he's mister enlightened
verbosity man.

----> There has been some speculation that it was you Sean except that the
----> yanker rides a Gixer on the Street.  Does Randy ride a GSXR on the
----> street?

This was just a fun way to tell everyone that it's another
race-weekend at Summit point, and that they should come out to drink
beer and spectate, and NOT spend that money on pizza and a movie with
their loved-one.

----> This will be another weekend out of town for me.  Good luck to
----> ALL racers and hope there is no RAIN!!!

---->     Todd (Springfield, VA)


From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 08:23:32 2001
From: "Matthew Patton" <pattonme@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 07:23:27 -0500
Subject: another MAW free shipping day

Since I'm still stuck on digest mode (hello, moderator!!) I can't tell if it's already been posted or not. One interesting difference this time around. Tires incur shipping charges. I guess they got massively burnt by that one last round. Pity, I thought that was the best part. Should have ordered more...
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From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 08:56:49 2001
From: MJordan666@XXXXXX
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 08:56:31 EDT
Subject: Snacks - was: Team Jordan Racing in the news!
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX


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>Eh...so there will be snacks huh ?

Team Jordan progenitor here, knowing my elder son, I would get him to
precisely define the word "snack" prior to making dinner plans.

Michael J.







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From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 09:01:35 2001
From: MJordan666@XXXXXX
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 09:01:24 EDT
Subject: Re: East Coast BBG
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX


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Dale, this could be interesting - when?

Michael J.


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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>Dale, this could be interesting - when?
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From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 09:22:39 2001
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 09:16:42 -0400
From: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: 4-sale

Within a week or so I'll be putting two motorcycles up for sale, part of
my late friend's estate.  One is Kawasaki Eliminator 600, number two a
Yamaha Virago 750 V-Twin.  Year and milage to be determined this coming
week

If anyone is interested in cages, got them too.  A 2001 Prowler for
those with a loose 40+K in their jeans - 2400 miles.  A `90 something
Olds 4-door sedan, lo-milage special - 44K, and a vintage `73 (?)
Cadilac convertable, fresh rebuild on the engine, body is rough.

If interested contact me off list - bhuson@XXXXXX, or call (703)
256-3115 even.  Official details as soon as I examine same and obtain
titles.

Bill


From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 10:16:35 2001
From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 10:16:21 EDT
Subject: Re: Footpeg Riding Style
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

In a message dated 6/6/2001 7:10:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
t_gimer@XXXXXX writes:

> --- Suzookus Maximus <suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX> wrote:
>  > Wanted to get some opinions from you all about where
>  > you put your feet on the pegs. :)


When racing cross country (Enduro) we always rode  standing on the balls of
our feet, that way when you hit a stump (Or another rider) it knocked your
foot off the peg instead of folding it under and breaking it.


John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC

Honda ST1100X Pan European
    (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.)
BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles
Honda 1976 CR250M  Motowhat racer

From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 10:34:54 2001
From: "Jon Strang" <jmstrang@XXXXXX>
To: <PenguinBiker@XXXXXX>, <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: Footpeg Riding Style
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 10:34:57 -0400
X-SLUIDL: 0F9FEF21-5B4311D5-8E080060-08C770E5

I learned that lesson the hard way.

--jon w/ nine toes

-----Original Message-----
From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX [mailto:PenguinBiker@XXXXXX]
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 10:16 AM
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Footpeg Riding Style


In a message dated 6/6/2001 7:10:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
t_gimer@XXXXXX writes:

> --- Suzookus Maximus <suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX> wrote:
>  > Wanted to get some opinions from you all about where
>  > you put your feet on the pegs. :)


When racing cross country (Enduro) we always rode  standing on the balls of
our feet, that way when you hit a stump (Or another rider) it knocked your
foot off the peg instead of folding it under and breaking it.


John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC

Honda ST1100X Pan European
    (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.)
BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles
Honda 1976 CR250M  Motowhat racer


From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 11:07:04 2001
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 10:59:21 -0400
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
From: Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news!

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>how many people died last year at summit or other local
>tracks?

More than a handful. Probably 1.9 metric handfuls.

>  a closed-course environment with a high level of
>body protection just doesn't qualify as death-defying to
>me.

There are varying levels of death-defiance. Cliff diving has a much
higher risk of death, and therefore a higher level of defiance.
(Unless you're suicidal.) I wouldn't say that the sport is "not"
death-defying.

>   and i don't think our rides are either....

That's what I said. Didn't I say they're rides weren't death defying?
Am I missing something here? Are you mocking me? Do you want to
fight!?? Huh? HUNH?! YOU TRYING TO START SOMETHING LAWYER BOY.....Oh,
what's that? You're not trying to start something? Oh, ok. You're no
fun.

>i wouldn't
>want to be a part of a weekly "death-defying" activity.

That's ok. Neither would I. That's why I only race once or twice a
month at most.

>
>you want "death-defying"?  take up cliff diving or some
>other insane sport.

See, to participate in an "insane sport", you need to be insane. See,
no sport is inherently insane. The sport is defined by the people who
participate in it.....uh...which would make roadracing an insane
sport. Ok, bad argument. Let me try this again.....

>  > >i wish the yanker would stop yanking.
>>
>>  What's got you so convinced that I'm the yanker anyways?
>>  I've never had to hide behind a fabricated persona to
>>  voice my opinions. I think it's Randy Moran. Go read his
>>  past posts; he's mister enlightened verbosity man.
>
>YOU are Dick E. Anker.  actually, most people knew that one
>before i did, judging by the responses i got after my last
>post on this topic.

First person to conclusively prove that I am Mr. Yanker gets an
autographed picture of Team Jordan Racing. (Or a reasonable facsimile
thereof. Offer void in Hawaii, Alaska, and Canada.)

>  > This was just a fun way to tell everyone that it's
>>  another race-weekend at Summit point, and that they
>  > should come out to drink beer and spectate, and NOT spend
>>  that money on pizza and a movie with their loved-one.
>
>fine.  i apparently lost that message buried somewhere in
>the bullshit.

Don't worry, nobody else did. I won't hold your lack of reading
comprehension against you. :P

>but, i certainly did not miss your attempt
>to display your balls to me and the list.

1. If I wanted to "display" my balls to everyone on the list, I would
upload a .jpg file to my web-hosting service and post a URL. However,
I'm very shy when it comes to displaying my balls, so don't nobody
hold there breath.

2. Tom, here's your phrase of the day.

tongue-in-cheek
adj.

a. Meant or expressed ironically or facetiously.
b. Cleverly amusing in tone; "a bantering tone"; "facetious remarks";
"tongue-in-cheek advice" [syn: bantering, facetious] adv 1: in a
bantering fashion; "he spoke to her banteringly" [syn: banteringly]
2: not seriously; "I meant it facetiously" [syn: facetiously,
jokingly]

>i have no
>interest in getting out on the racetrack with some young
>punk with an attitude.

Hey, I am not a punk! I hate the Sex Pistols!

>   i wonder if anyone here
>does....hmmmm

Obivously Laura and Roach do, or they wouldn't haul my
attitude-laden, ball displaying, punk ass around or let me pit with
them. (Thanks again, guys!)....Randy Moran and Danny Thompson don't
seem to mind either. (Hope you feel better soon Danny!) I think
you're jealous that no one wants to ride on the track with YOU, Tom.
But that's ok. Not everyone can be as cool as me. Don't sweat it.

Egads, man, lighten up!  Although if I had to ride a 996 for a
streetbike, I'm sure I'd end up a hardass too.

Tee-hee.



--
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the
skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #230 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html

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<blockquote type="cite" cite>how many people died last year at summit
or other local<br>
tracks?</blockquote>
<div><br>
More than a handful. Probably 1.9 metric handfuls.<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>&nbsp;a closed-course environment with a
high level of<br>
body protection just doesn't qualify as death-defying to<br>
me.</blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>There are varying levels of death-defiance. Cliff diving has a
much higher risk of death, and therefore a higher level of defiance.
(Unless you're suicidal.) I wouldn't say that the sport is
&quot;not&quot; death-defying.</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>&nbsp; and i don't think our rides are
either....</blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>That's what I said. Didn't I say they're rides weren't death
defying? Am I missing something here? Are you mocking me? Do you want
to fight!?? Huh? HUNH?! YOU TRYING TO START SOMETHING LAWYER
BOY.....Oh, what's that? You're not trying to start something? Oh,
ok. You're no fun.</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>i wouldn't</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>want to be a part of a weekly
&quot;death-defying&quot; activity.</blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>That's ok. Neither would I. That's why I only race once or twice
a month at most.</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><br>
you want &quot;death-defying&quot;?&nbsp; take up cliff diving or
some<br>
other insane sport.</blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>See, to participate in an &quot;insane sport&quot;, you need to
be insane. See, no sport is inherently insane. The sport is defined
by the people who participate in it.....uh...which would make
roadracing an insane sport. Ok, bad argument. Let me try this
again.....</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>&gt; &gt;i wish the yanker would stop
yanking.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; What's got you so convinced that I'm the yanker anyways?<br>
&gt; I've never had to hide behind a fabricated persona to<br>
&gt; voice my opinions. I think it's Randy Moran. Go read his<br>
&gt; past posts; he's mister enlightened verbosity man.<br>
<br>
YOU are Dick E. Anker.&nbsp; actually, most people knew that one<br>
before i did, judging by the responses i got after my last<br>
post on this topic.</blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>First person to conclusively prove that I am Mr. Yanker gets an
autographed picture of Team Jordan Racing. (Or a reasonable facsimile
thereof. Offer void in Hawaii, Alaska, and Canada.)</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>&gt; This was just a fun way to tell
everyone that it's<br>
&gt; another race-weekend at Summit point, and that they</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>&gt; should come out to drink beer and
spectate, and NOT spend<br>
&gt; that money on pizza and a movie with their loved-one.<br>
<br>
fine.&nbsp; i apparently lost that message buried somewhere in<br>
the bullshit. </blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>Don't worry, nobody else did. I won't hold your lack of reading
comprehension against you. :P</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>but, i certainly did not miss your
attempt</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>to display your balls to me and the
list. </blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>1. If I wanted to &quot;display&quot; my balls to everyone on
the list, I would upload a .jpg file to my web-hosting service and
post a URL. However, I'm very shy when it comes to displaying my
balls, so don't nobody hold there breath.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>2. Tom, here's your phrase of the day.</div>
<div><font color="#000000"><br></font></div>
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facetiously.</font></div>
<div><font color="#000000">b. Cleverly amusing in tone; &quot;a
bantering tone&quot;; &quot;facetious remarks&quot;;
&quot;tongue-in-cheek advice&quot; [syn:</font><font
color="#0033FF"><u> bantering</u></font><font
color="#000000">,</font><font color="#0033FF"><u>
facetious</u></font><font color="#000000">] adv 1: in a bantering
fashion; &quot;he spoke to her banteringly&quot; [syn:</font><font
color="#0033FF"><u> banteringly</u></font><font color="#000000">] 2:
not seriously; &quot;I meant it facetiously&quot; [syn:</font><font
color="#0033FF"><u> facetiously</u></font><font
color="#000000">,</font><font color="#0033FF"><u>
jokingly</u></font><font color="#000000">]</font></div>
<div><font color="#000000"><br></font></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>i have no</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>interest in getting out on the racetrack
with some young</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>punk with an attitude.</blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>Hey, I am not a punk! I hate the Sex Pistols!</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>&nbsp; i wonder if anyone
here</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>does....hmmmm</blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>Obivously Laura and Roach do, or they wouldn't haul my
attitude-laden, ball displaying, punk ass around or let me pit with
them. (Thanks again, guys!)....Randy Moran and Danny Thompson don't
seem to mind either. (Hope you feel better soon Danny!) I think
you're jealous that no one wants to ride on the track with YOU, Tom.
But that's ok. Not everyone can be as cool as me. Don't sweat
it.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Egads, man, lighten up!&nbsp; Although if I had to ride a 996
for a streetbike, I'm sure I'd end up a hardass too.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Tee-hee.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>

<div>-- <br>
&quot;For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and
the skillful defiance of it.&quot;<br>
<br>
-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)<br>
<br>
Sean Jordan<br>
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing<br>
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)<br>
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)<br>
WERA #230 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038<br>
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/j<span
></span>ordanracing.html<br>
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From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 11:12:09 2001
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 11:08:35 -0400
From: Dale Horstman <the.horkster@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: East Coast BBG
To: James Reazor <JReazor@XXXXXX>
Cc: DC Cycles List <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>

James Reazor wrote:
>
> I have 2 questions. What does BBG stand for and, since there is no date
> listed, will it be scheduled over a weekend. I'm all for shushing
> self-proclaimed big dawgs regardless of where they're from, I just don't
> want to burn too much vacation time to do it.

James,

BBG is shorthand for BunBurner Gold, the IronButt Associations (IBA)
tough 1,500 mile ride in under 24 hours.  Not for beginners.  I *think*
I can do it by using just one vacation day and the weekend, but it's
gonna involve lots of hard interstate riding, and probably have me
looking like hammered dog squeeze come Monday morning in the office.  :)

Horkster
--
Mandatory second line (CM tm)

Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX  AWSHIDT #322 - 27 of 99 done.
Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth

'98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer
'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi
'82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress

From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 11:18:27 2001
From: "Bruce Norton" <bnorton@XXXXXX>
To: "DC Cycles" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Kawasaki 2 stroke triples?
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 11:21:14 -0400

My brother just called me about a co-worker of his that has a '75 Kawasaki
H1 (?) 250 2 stroke triple he wants to sell. Apparantly it's a project that
was started and never finished, frame painted, lots of parts cleaned up,
etc. He says it's complete and wants $100 for it.

Does anyone know anything about these bikes? I'm not even sure I have the
model right. Any input would be appreciated.

Bruce


From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 11:26:10 2001
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 08:26:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mark Kitchell <markkitchell@XXXXXX>
Subject: This Sat.@Bike Night, underage drinking, DWI, drugs......
To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX

No, no, wait, that is at the WHITE HOUSE, not at Bike
Night!!!

Seriously folks, just another excuse to promote Bike
Night.

Bike Night makes its first appearance in DC and the
first on a Saturday night.

Lets have a BIG showing of DC Cycles so we can POSE
with the DC Sportbike Crowd!!!!

June 9th, this SATURDAY, at THE ROCK in DC. 5PM-9PM.

The Rock is right next to the MCI center.  We have
plenty of great parking, a roof deck, videos, etc.

Weather is going to be perfect too.  See YA There!

Check out the web site




=====
http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/

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From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 12:47:29 2001
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 1973 12:56:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Garcia Oliver <garicao@XXXXXX>
To: Bruce Norton <bnorton@XXXXXX>
cc: DC Cycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Kawasaki 2 stroke triples?

H1 was 500 cc.  Good power, terrible handling. The 250 had ok handling,
but not enough power.  Both got miserable gas mileage.  What else do you
want to know?

--garcia


On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Bruce Norton wrote:

> My brother just called me about a co-worker of his that has a '75 Kawasaki
> H1 (?) 250 2 stroke triple he wants to sell. Apparantly it's a project that
> was started and never finished, frame painted, lots of parts cleaned up,
> etc. He says it's complete and wants $100 for it.
>
> Does anyone know anything about these bikes? I'm not even sure I have the
> model right. Any input would be appreciated.
>
> Bruce
>

From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 12:52:15 2001
From: "Bruce Norton" <bnorton@XXXXXX>
To: "DC Cycles" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Kawasaki 2 stroke triples?
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 12:54:56 -0400

Thanks for all the replies and links. I'm going to take a look at it and see
what kind of shape it's in. If it's a rusted up heap then I'll pass, but if
it's in fair shape then...

Bruce


From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 13:48:00 2001
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 12:41:05 -0500
From: "George Cole" <George.Cole@XXXXXX>
To: <bnorton@XXXXXX>, <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Kawasaki 2 stroke triples?

Hey Bruce,

I had two , a 350 my first bike and a 500 a few years later.

They are cantankerous, noisy, smoky things. But fun to ride. About half the power comes on all at once around 5K rpm, then lookout.

Don't try to ride faster than 90 MPH, though.....believe me I speak from experience. Notorious Tankslappers. Loctite everything on the bike or stuff just falls off while riding.

Do a web search, there are some web sites devoted to these things.

3 cylinders, 3 plugs and 3 sets of points.

Cheers,

George Cole


>>> "Bruce Norton" <bnorton@XXXXXX> 06/07/01 11:21AM >>>
My brother just called me about a co-worker of his that has a '75 Kawasaki
H1 (?) 250 2 stroke triple he wants to sell. Apparantly it's a project that
was started and never finished, frame painted, lots of parts cleaned up,
etc. He says it's complete and wants $100 for it.

Does anyone know anything about these bikes? I'm not even sure I have the
model right. Any input would be appreciated.

Bruce



From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 14:13:43 2001
From: MJordan666@XXXXXX
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 14:13:35 EDT
Subject: Re: Kawasaki 2 stroke triples?
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

>H1 was 500 cc.  Good power, terrible handling. The 250 had ok handling,
>but not enough power.  Both got miserable gas mileage.

I don't remember a 250. I had a 350 back in '72 - it got worse mileage than
my Pinto. Kawasaki also had a 750 in the lineup - would pass anything but a
gas station.

Michael J.

From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 15:25:35 2001
From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 15:25:06 EDT
Subject: For sale: LP adjustable rear stand
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

Located in Centreville, VA.  LP adjustable swingarm stand (not spools but the
kind that adjusts to fit several sizes of swingarm).  Pick up in Centreville
only.  $40.

From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 15:31:54 2001
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 15:31:43 -0400
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
From: Troutman <mike@XXXXXX>
Subject: Cheap Gas

2530 Cedar Lane, Vienna VA  - Citgo - 6-12, 3 to 7pm 94.7 cents per gallon
part of a http://www.classicrock947.com/ promotion.  Worth saving some
money if you are in the area and have a big tank in your cage.  Be prepared
for long lines.



___________________________________________
     Mike Troutman
          http://www.troutman.org/vfr

          '97 Honda VFR 750
         Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA



From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 16:27:00 2001
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 16:26:52 -0400
From: Chuck Pena <cvkgpena@XXXXXX>
To: DC Cycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Motorcycle owner again!

It's taken me a little while, but I now own another m/c (replacing my
GSXR that bought the big one when I hit the deer in March).  Decided to
go the "best bang for the buck" route, i.e., buy something fun for as
cheaply as possible.  Ended up being the winning bidder on a '93 FZR600
on eBay.  But this is definitely not your mother's FZR!  Probably the
best way to describe this FZR is that it's a track bike with lights.
Front forks have been re-worked with Race Tech springs and Race Tech
Gold Valve Emulators.  Custom fork brace.  Rear shock has been replaced
with Fox Twin Clicker.  Rear ride height has been raised ~1".  Stainless
steel brake lines front and rear.  HH brake pads front and rear.
Steering damper.  520 conversion (DID gold chain).  Full race exhaust
(D&D) and stage one jetting.  Upper cowl and lower fairings are stock
FZR (twin headlight front).  But the stock rear has been replaced with a
TZ tailpiece which IMHO is much nicer looking than the ugly, boxy, bulky
FZR tailpiece.  Makes the bike look light and right.  Probably not the
prettiest (to most) bike in the world: the frame, tank, and bodywork
have been re-sprayed a low-gloss flat black.  But I didn't buy it for
the paintjob!

Need to fettle with it a bit still.  Get the sag set right on the
suspension.  Gotta figure out a mounting system for a license plate
bracket underneath the tailpiece.  One of the taillight bulbs is burnt
out (previous owner did a pretty trick job with the taillights on the TZ
tailpiece!)  Already have it titled and registered.  Temp tag is
"oversized" because apparently VA doesn't issue smaller m/c-size temp
tags (at least they didn't have any at the DMV office).  Still need to
get it inspected.  And get an Arlington County sticker for it.  So I
don't know if I'll be riding it to Bike Night @ The Rock on Saturday or
not.  But I'll definitely be at Bike Night.

Chuck, aka Deerhunter

--
"Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai
visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas

From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 16:29:36 2001
From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 16:29:27 EDT
Subject: Re: Footpeg Riding Style
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

In a message dated 6/7/2001 10:35:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jmstrang@XXXXXX writes:

> I learned that lesson the hard way.
>
>  --jon w/ nine toes

OW!

John w/ two that do not work.

From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 16:39:10 2001
From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 16:38:58 EDT
Subject: Re: Kawasaki 2 stroke triples?
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

In a message dated 6/7/2001 2:16:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
MJordan666@XXXXXX writes:

> Kawasaki also had a 750 in the lineup - would pass anything but a
>  gas station.

And was known to throw the rider off at speeds over 80.

666 eh? Interesting

John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC

Honda ST1100X Pan European
    (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.)
BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles
Honda 1976 CR250M  Motowhat racer

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Yeah, I owned one, a `73 I think.  The crackata-crackata-crackata sound of
two-stroke triple at idle is very distinctive - kinda neat.  Little bugger was
fast as stink but forget the twisties, I think it had nylon bushings on the
swing arm.   Had a minor prob with the center plug frying on long hard,
hi-speed runs.  I ran Sthil chain saw oil and had the oil feed dialed down so
mine hardly smoked, even starting cold.

Had a  ton of fun on mine, probably `cause it was my first *big* bike, having
thrashed a Kawi 90cc into piston rattle oblivion.  The ideal size in the series
was the 350.  The 500 was scarey fast, and the 750 probably killed more GIs
than the Viet cong.  It was the king of fast, but wasn't very forgiving.

Bill

Bruce Norton wrote:

> My brother just called me about a co-worker of his that has a '75 Kawasaki
> H1 (?) 250 2 stroke triple he wants to sell. Apparantly it's a project that
> was started and never finished, frame painted, lots of parts cleaned up,
> etc. He says it's complete and wants $100 for it.
>
> Does anyone know anything about these bikes? I'm not even sure I have the
> model right. Any input would be appreciated.
>
> Bruce


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Congrats!

Reminds me of the 1993 FZR600 I once had... minus all the custom mods.  I
did have a YZF rear swingarm on mine and other neat stuff.  Some pictures
of it can be seen on my webpage.  ALso check out what it looked like
after it was crashed...by someone else( I was no longer the owner).  That
is by two days anyway...sad story.

Thad

http://www.geocities.com/tgroghan/hmpthad.html

On Thu, 07 Jun 2001 16:26:52 -0400 Chuck Pena <cvkgpena@XXXXXX>
writes:
> It's taken me a little while, but I now own another m/c (replacing my
> GSXR that bought the big one when I hit the deer in March).  Decided 
> to
> go the "best bang for the buck" route, i.e., buy something fun for 
> as
> cheaply as possible.  Ended up being the winning bidder on a '93 
> FZR600
> on eBay.  But this is definitely not your mother's FZR!  Probably 
> the
> best way to describe this FZR is that it's a track bike with lights. 
> 
> Front forks have been re-worked with Race Tech springs and Race Tech
> Gold Valve Emulators.  Custom fork brace.  Rear shock has been 
> replaced
> with Fox Twin Clicker.  Rear ride height has been raised ~1".  
> Stainless
> steel brake lines front and rear.  HH brake pads front and rear. 
> Steering damper.  520 conversion (DID gold chain).  Full race 
> exhaust
> (D&D) and stage one jetting.  Upper cowl and lower fairings are 
> stock
> FZR (twin headlight front).  But the stock rear has been replaced 
> with a
> TZ tailpiece which IMHO is much nicer looking than the ugly, boxy, 
> bulky
> FZR tailpiece.  Makes the bike look light and right.  Probably not 
> the
> prettiest (to most) bike in the world: the frame, tank, and bodywork
> have been re-sprayed a low-gloss flat black.  But I didn't buy it 
> for
> the paintjob!
> 
> Need to fettle with it a bit still.  Get the sag set right on the
> suspension.  Gotta figure out a mounting system for a license plate
> bracket underneath the tailpiece.  One of the taillight bulbs is 
> burnt
> out (previous owner did a pretty trick job with the taillights on 
> the TZ
> tailpiece!)  Already have it titled and registered.  Temp tag is
> "oversized" because apparently VA doesn't issue smaller m/c-size 
> temp
> tags (at least they didn't have any at the DMV office).  Still need 
> to
> get it inspected.  And get an Arlington County sticker for it.  So I
> don't know if I'll be riding it to Bike Night @ The Rock on Saturday 
> or
> not.  But I'll definitely be at Bike Night.
> 
> Chuck, aka Deerhunter
> 
> -- 
> "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai
> visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas

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2530 Cedar Lane, Vienna VA  - Citgo - 6-12, 3 to 7pm 94.7 cents per
gallon
part of a http://www.classicrock947.com/ promotion.  Worth saving some
money if you are in the area and have a big tank in your cage.  Be
prepared
for long lines.

		I never do anything associated with 94.7 since they fired the
Greaseman.  Not because I'm a die hard fan, but because his offense was
nothing more than a violation of political correctness.  You may not
agree with his message, or the messenger himself.  Similarly, you may
have found his offense, well, offensive, but Stern gets away with far
worse, as does Tom Joyner, a frequent Greaseman basher.  Take you money
elsewhere...

Just my opinion...



Dave Yates
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I raced an H1 (500cc triple) (built to look like the H1-R production racer 
version) in 1972 for a short while.  I had been racing a Norton Commando and 
saw how fast the things were on the straights and thought that the guys 
racing them were not very good racers because I could catch most of them in 
the twisties.  Turns out the guys that were beating me on them were not only 
better racers, but also had bigger cojones.  I did about 4-5 races on it and 
went back to the Norton.

The CDIs for those things are unobtainables.  When they come up for sale on 
the Vintage Racing List the asking price is 700-800 dollars just for the CDI 
unit.  If it doesn't spark, don't buy it.

Ciao,

Fred

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Ooooooh.... 1500 in a day. That's a lot 'o miles. The most I've done is
about 600 and the SV preformed admirably for that but I'd definitely need to
get rid of the stock seat for 1500. If it were 1000 miles I'd probably give
it a shot.

Good luck.

-James
'00 SV650




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Pictures?

Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B)

In a message dated 6/7/2001 4:31:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes:


> It's taken me a little while, but I now own another m/c (replacing my
> GSXR that bought the big one when I hit the deer in March).  Decided to
> go the "best bang for the buck" route, i.e., buy something fun for as
> cheaply as possible.  Ended up being the winning bidder on a '93 FZR600
> on eBay.  But this is definitely not your mother's FZR!  Probably the
> best way to describe this FZR is that it's a track bike with lights. 
> 

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<BR>Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B)
<BR>
<BR>In a message dated 6/7/2001 4:31:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">It's taken me a little while, but I now own another m/c (replacing my
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Subject: privateer rider instruction

Do you guys know of anyone looking for basic rider education before attempting say the State test? Or somebody who's on the 3+ month waiting list for the local MSF classes who'd really like to get started sooner instead of missing most of the riding season?

I've been approached by a person in my company who wants introductory level instruction and has 2 friends who'd likely also want to participate.

While I obviously can't offer the official MSF stamp of approval nor the insurance credits that go with actual MSF completion, I at least can touch on the same content and drills. I have a few (nearly) ideal venues in mind but the major stickler is suitable bikes, liability and all that.

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CONGRATULATIONS ! Finally. Now you can ride those dirt sections in the
routes you posted ;)

Niv
BMW F650ST

-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX]
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 1:27 PM
To: DC Cycles
Subject: Motorcycle owner again!


It's taken me a little while, but I now own another m/c (replacing my
GSXR that bought the big one when I hit the deer in March).  Decided to
go the "best bang for the buck" route, i.e., buy something fun for as
cheaply as possible.  Ended up being the winning bidder on a '93 FZR600
on eBay.  But this is definitely not your mother's FZR!  Probably the
best way to describe this FZR is that it's a track bike with lights.
Front forks have been re-worked with Race Tech springs and Race Tech
Gold Valve Emulators.  Custom fork brace.  Rear shock has been replaced
with Fox Twin Clicker.  Rear ride height has been raised ~1".  Stainless
steel brake lines front and rear.  HH brake pads front and rear.
Steering damper.  520 conversion (DID gold chain).  Full race exhaust
(D&D) and stage one jetting.  Upper cowl and lower fairings are stock
FZR (twin headlight front).  But the stock rear has been replaced with a
TZ tailpiece which IMHO is much nicer looking than the ugly, boxy, bulky
FZR tailpiece.  Makes the bike look light and right.  Probably not the
prettiest (to most) bike in the world: the frame, tank, and bodywork
have been re-sprayed a low-gloss flat black.  But I didn't buy it for
the paintjob!

Need to fettle with it a bit still.  Get the sag set right on the
suspension.  Gotta figure out a mounting system for a license plate
bracket underneath the tailpiece.  One of the taillight bulbs is burnt
out (previous owner did a pretty trick job with the taillights on the TZ
tailpiece!)  Already have it titled and registered.  Temp tag is
"oversized" because apparently VA doesn't issue smaller m/c-size temp
tags (at least they didn't have any at the DMV office).  Still need to
get it inspected.  And get an Arlington County sticker for it.  So I
don't know if I'll be riding it to Bike Night @ The Rock on Saturday or
not.  But I'll definitely be at Bike Night.

Chuck, aka Deerhunter

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Michelin Pilot 120/70zr17 front tire for sale, $29.50, 90% tread left, race
take-offs

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My brother is selling his dirt bike. Contact him directly if you're 
interested.

Thanks,

Kirk

--- In PlanetKLX@y..., dlroy@n... wrote:
I'm not riding my bike any, so I've decided to sell it.  No sense in 
just having it sit there.

It has:

Stroker Headpipe
SuperTrapp Exhaust (I still have the stock exhaust with the Stroker 
endcap.)
Dynojet Kit for the carb
Baja Designs Kit (Not on the bike currently)
Moose Skidplate
Stroker Radiator Hose Protector
Enduro Engineering Handguards
Moose Rollchart Holder
MX # Plate
MX Rear Fender
Alumilite Handlebars

I'm looking for a quick/easy sale, so I'm asking $3,000.  I don't 
think I'd bargain any at that price.  I can be contacted via e-mail 
at 
dlroy@n... or home phone (301) 856-9210 or work phone (202) 
353-0561.  I'm located in Southern Maryland just outside of 
Washington 
D.C.

Darrell Roy
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I am meeting some friends at the McDonalds in
Leesburg (965 EDWARDS FERRY RD, LEESBURG, VA 20176) on
Rt. 15, just north of Rt. 7.  Departure time from
there is 9:00am Sunday.

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Hey list!!

I just got back from running FAST level I and II in Shannonville, Ontario
and it was awesome.  Didn't crash and even did a little hanging off.

BTW, still unemployed so there are a few of us IT folks still looking.

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Hi all.  I guess my first e-mail got lost over a holiday weekend, but Just wanted to introduce myself to the group.  I live out in South Riding (between RT28 & RT50 and RT606 & RT50).  I have two motorcycles, one road and one off road.  I would like to meet up for easy paced rides (on road) and screaming through the trails and jumping (off road) with anyone interested.  I have set up a few websites, the first being a brief homepage and the other being a message board.  I thought that the message board could provide a more real time question and answer type forum, as well as provide the ability to link pictures and do HTML formating that at least right now is not present in the "digest" format of e-mail I currently recieve.  Anyway, If you would like to try it out it is realitively painless and there is no membership required. Look forward to hearing from some of you. I meet some of you at the Bike Nite at the Carpool


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Welcome to the group.  There is a relaxed group ride out of Winchester this 
Sunday if you are interested.  It is an all day ride through West Virginia 
and back to Winchester.  Let me know if you want to meet up to head out there.

Included below are the final plans for the June 10th Tyro ride.

The ride will commence at 9:30 AM just outside Winchester on RT 50.  This 
is a pretty central location since we have people coming from all over VA, 
DC, MD, and PA.  There is an Exxon Gas station there on the left hand side 
(when heading west) about a mile or mile and a half west of RT 37.  The 
address and phone are below.  If you'd like directions from them, they are 
very nice. Likewise, I'd be glad to help anyone get there.

1. CATHERS MARKET
US RT 50 W, WINCHESTER, VA 22601
Phone: 540-662-8219

At 08:57 PM 6/8/2001, BR VMI-1996 wrote:
>Hi all.  I guess my first e-mail got lost over a holiday weekend, but Just 
>wanted to introduce myself to the group.  I live out in South Riding 
>(between RT28 & RT50 and RT606 & RT50).  I have two motorcycles, one road 
>and one off road.  I would like to meet up for easy paced rides (on road) 
>and screaming through the trails and jumping (off road) with anyone 
>interested.  I have set up a few websites, the first being a brief 
>homepage and the other being a message board.  I thought that the message 
>board could provide a more real time question and answer type forum, as 
>well as provide the ability to link pictures and do HTML formating that at 
>least right now is not present in the "digest" format of e-mail I 
>currently recieve.  Anyway, If you would like to try it out it is 
>realitively painless and there is no membership required. Look forward to 
>hearing from some of you. I meet some of you at the Bike Nite at the Carpool


_____________________________________
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5-9, at THE ROCK!

Check out the website.......

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I saw a downed red/silver/black GSXR on 66E at Scott Road this evening on my 
way home from my sisters' house.  It was about 5:20pm.  Didn't see any signs 
of the rider just a bunch of cops checking the area about a half mile away 
from where the bike was laying.  Didn't look like too much damage to the 
bike.  Mainly cosmetic.  Anyone know anything about it?  Hope it wasn't 
anyone on the list.  Hope the rider is OK.

Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B)

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<BR>of the rider just a bunch of cops checking the area about a half mile away 
<BR>from where the bike was laying. &nbsp;Didn't look like too much damage to the 
<BR>bike. &nbsp;Mainly cosmetic. &nbsp;Anyone know anything about it? &nbsp;Hope it wasn't 
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ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote:
> 
> I saw a downed red/silver/black GSXR on 66E at Scott Road this evening
> on my
> way home from my sisters' house. M- It was about 5:20pm. M- Didn't see any
> signs
> of the rider just a bunch of cops checking the area about a half mile
> away
> from where the bike was laying. M- Didn't look like too much damage to
> the
> bike. M- Mainly cosmetic. M- Anyone know anything about it? M- Hope it
> wasn't
> anyone on the list. M- Hope the rider is OK.
> 
> Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B)

I went by there at about 7PM.  I didn't know it was a bike crash at the
time, but it looked like a serious accident investigation was underway. 
At least two VSP troopers and a gaggle of Arlington cops.  They had
scrape marks tagged on Jersey barrier for a good distance.  Looks like
the vehicle made contact with the wall numerous times.  Looks to have
have been quite nasty and/or at high speed.

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F


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Hey,
     I got another one of these last week. I remember some of you were
intersted last time, so here it is...

Howard ---> drying out after wading through waist-deep water this past
weekend in Houston. It was bad. Scary bad.

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From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 07:23:35 2001
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So I'm going over the two bikes I'll be selling from Richard's estate.
The `95 (?)Yami V-twin fires right up, comes off choke easy and is
basically  a cherry.  But the Kawi won't stay running.  Hmmm... Of
course when I opened the gas lid and yelled I got an echo.  Could it be
that simple?  It's also low on oil according to the sight glass, and low
on coolant.  Oil's no prob, got plenty, but ??? what kind of coolant do
these rascels use?   Regular ol' Prestone or must I purchase Special
Kawisaki Whip Out Da Wallet coolant?  And where can I get a brake lever
for te Kawi?  Sort of generic or also brand/model specific?  How the tip
got broken off is beyond me `cause I can't find a single scratch
anywhere else on the beast.

Off to get titles from the DMV tommorrow - five titles for the vehicles
with missing ones.  What fun!  Think root canal...

Bill


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>ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote:
>> 
>> I saw a downed red/silver/black GSXR on 66E at Scott Road this evening
>> on my
>> way home from my sisters' house. M- It was about 5:20pm. M- Didn't see any
>> signs
>> of the rider just a bunch of cops checking the area about a half mile
>> away
>> from where the bike was laying. M- 

Ouch.  I passed through there about 5:30, and took the Key Bridge/Rosslyn exit to bypass the congestion.  There were three cop cars on Rt. 29 below I-66, below the accident site.  I wonder if something went over the wall and down onto 29?

It's a jungle out there.

Chris Norloff

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Does anyone have an email address for Winding Roads
Motorcycle Times?  I have what I think is a great idea
for an article.

Thanks,

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I'm thinking about looking on Ebay or mailing ordering some one-piece
leathers for track days, etc., as well as shopping at our local used
leathers emporium (Colleen).  Anyway, I find the Euro sizing to be a source
of vexation.  The conversion tables seem to be all over the map.  I have a
size 42 chest, 33 waist and 32 inseam.  Euro size 54 would seem to be in the
ballpark.  I'm looking at the AGV Rage or Spark series.  If anyone who has
these
size AGV leathers and could give me a sense of the fit and whether they run
large or small when broken in I would appreciate your thoughts.  I've tried
on new ones in shops and it's hard to tell how they're going to fit when
broken in.  Should they feel tight when new, almost to the point where it's
a struggle to get it on your shoulders?  I'm averse to $500 mistakes.

Thanks,

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F




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I wear a 42 with a 33 inch waist.  The Euro jackets (Wintex) that I've
tried on that fit are size 54.  The one problem I have is I'm not
coordinated enough to handle the lefthand zipper :-)

Andrew
'90 EX500


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On Wed, 06 Jun 2001, RacerGirl435@XXXXXX wrote:

> Hey Laura!
>
> You and Roach are then ones with the Aprilia RS250's!  Why don't YOU guys
> buy beer and snacks for everybody eh!?  hehe
>
> Non-motorcycle having wanna be racing an Aprilia RS250,
> Jess

We do, but generally only for people who don't talk about us behind our 
backs. 

And to answer the smart ass little remark you made at the track about Laura 
around people who know me (Funny how everyone at the track seems to know me, 
huh?), yes, it IS nice to be on the Brian Roach racing program. Ask Sean 
Jordan, Gil Gates, AND Laura. OR, any of the vast number of good people whom 
I've helped out at the track over the last 3 years either with setting up 
their bikes, hauling them around the country, or putting their bikes back 
together after they crashed. 

If you have a problem with me buying a bike for Laura to race, please, let me 
know what it is... I'll happily explain that A) I wanted to, because I can 
and she's quite possibly the greatest woman I've ever met, and B) It's none 
of your damn business. Maybe you should have made the payments on your bike, 
eh? Then you'd have a streetbike like Laura does.

- Roach

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Today I was out riding the back roads in Greenbelt, MD, right behind NASA. 
The cops were pulling out 2 Honda's that went off the road... thru a fence
onto Nasa property.  The bikes got stuck in the mud.  Pretty much trashed
from the looks of them.  The owners said they hit a slick spot... road
looked super clear to me....oh well.

Later

------Original Message------
From: "Chris Norloff" <cnorloff@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Sent: June 11, 2001 12:36:05 PM GMT
Subject: Re: Rider Down


>ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote:
>>
>> I saw a downed red/silver/black GSXR on 66E at Scott Road this evening
>> on my
>> way home from my sisters' house. M- It was about 5:20pm. M- Didn't see any
>> signs
>> of the rider just a bunch of cops checking the area about a half mile
>> away
>> from where the bike was laying. M- 

Ouch.  I passed through there about 5:30, and took the Key Bridge/Rosslyn
exit to bypass the congestion.  There were three cop cars on Rt. 29 below
I-66, below the accident site.  I wonder if something went over the wall and
down onto 29?

It's a jungle out there.

Chris Norloff




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I'm gonna have to jump in with Brian on this one - I'm constantly amazed at the
number of people he helps out around there.  More than once I've seen guys drop
off their crashed bikes at his pit when he wasn't around and had them say "Is
this 699's pit?  I forgot his name, but he said I could leave my bike and he'd
get it home for me".  Most of the people I call friends don't go as far for me as
he goes for near-strangers.

Larry Meyer
Annandale, VA
1997 Bandit 1200

Brian Roach wrote:

> On Wed, 06 Jun 2001, RacerGirl435@XXXXXX wrote:
>
> > Hey Laura!
> >
> > You and Roach are then ones with the Aprilia RS250's!  Why don't YOU guys
> > buy beer and snacks for everybody eh!?  hehe
> >
> > Non-motorcycle having wanna be racing an Aprilia RS250,
> > Jess
>
> We do, but generally only for people who don't talk about us behind our
> backs.
>
> And to answer the smart ass little remark you made at the track about Laura
> around people who know me (Funny how everyone at the track seems to know me,
> huh?), yes, it IS nice to be on the Brian Roach racing program. Ask Sean
> Jordan, Gil Gates, AND Laura. OR, any of the vast number of good people whom
> I've helped out at the track over the last 3 years either with setting up
> their bikes, hauling them around the country, or putting their bikes back
> together after they crashed.
>
> If you have a problem with me buying a bike for Laura to race, please, let me
> know what it is... I'll happily explain that A) I wanted to, because I can
> and she's quite possibly the greatest woman I've ever met, and B) It's none
> of your damn business. Maybe you should have made the payments on your bike,
> eh? Then you'd have a streetbike like Laura does.
>
> - Roach


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I spent the past weekend in Ocean City, Maryland and
saw about 50 or so sportbikes. Fine machines, every
one. I would guess that maybe 5 of those 50 riders had
on any gear more than a helmet. A couple had full
leathers, but the rest were t-shirts and sandals.
Passengers too.

Gotta love senior week.

Matt


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At 01:19 PM 6/11/01, Matthew Rosenstock wrote:
>I spent the past weekend in Ocean City, Maryland and
>saw about 50 or so sportbikes. Fine machines, every
>one. I would guess that maybe 5 of those 50 riders had
>on any gear more than a helmet. A couple had full
>leathers, but the rest were t-shirts and sandals.
>Passengers too.
>
>Gotta love senior week.

I tell ya - when you see these guys cruising up and down the main drag 
going two mph, they aren't hurting much of anything wearing normal squid 
attire.  I only cringe when they get off the cruise area.  I have squidded 
twice in the past two days.  Once in shorts and a T running 4 blocks to the 
gas station Saturday night, and once at lunch today running across the 
street for lunch.  Risk is all relative.


___________________________________________

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          http://www.troutman.org



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I think a lot of us here started as squidly. I know I
did many years ago. Any body who did't start out that
way (I think) missed something. Nothing like being
young and stupid. Gives you a wonderful sense of
power. As we grow up and realize how little we know
and how little we controll we can lose a bit freedom
and sense of adventure (not that I want to go back).
The trade off is acceptable (security, health, money).
When I see these T shirt and sandle types I just shake
my head reminese (SP), put on my jacket, boots, and
gloves and pass em in the turns.


Peace,

Trey





--- Troutman <mike@XXXXXX> wrote:
> At 01:19 PM 6/11/01, Matthew Rosenstock wrote:
> >I spent the past weekend in Ocean City, Maryland
> and
> >saw about 50 or so sportbikes. Fine machines, every
> >one. I would guess that maybe 5 of those 50 riders
> had
> >on any gear more than a helmet. A couple had full
> >leathers, but the rest were t-shirts and sandals.
> >Passengers too.
> >
> >Gotta love senior week.
> 
> I tell ya - when you see these guys cruising up and
> down the main drag 
> going two mph, they aren't hurting much of anything
> wearing normal squid 
> attire.  I only cringe when they get off the cruise
> area.  I have squidded 
> twice in the past two days.  Once in shorts and a T
> running 4 blocks to the 
> gas station Saturday night, and once at lunch today
> running across the 
> street for lunch.  Risk is all relative.
> 
> 
> ___________________________________________
> 
>      Mike Troutman
>           http://www.troutman.org
> 
> 


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"William J. Huson" wrote:

> Oil's no prob, got plenty, but ??? what kind of coolant do
> these rascels use?   Regular ol' Prestone or must I purchase Special
> Kawisaki Whip Out Da Wallet coolant? 

I think any extended-life silicate-free coolant (DexCool) should
be just fine.  That's what's recommended for the Connies.

Hork

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I will have to add that Roach and Laura were both accommodating during the NESBA track day on Friday.

When I told Roach I was not having any luck getting my knee down, he had me sit on my bike and showed me the proper positioning. Turns out I was sitting to far forward towards the tank and twisting my body. I needed to hang off with my shoulder too and to slide back on the seat.

I spent the last sessions working on my technique and it worked the bike was more stable in the corners and I could carry more speed. 

Thanks Roach.

BTW how do I contact your shop to purchase a lap timer? Website URL?

Cheers,

George Cole





>>> Larry Meyer <lmeyer@XXXXXX> 06/11/01 01:13PM >>>
I'm gonna have to jump in with Brian on this one - I'm constantly amazed at the
number of people he helps out around there.  More than once I've seen guys drop
off their crashed bikes at his pit when he wasn't around and had them say "Is
this 699's pit?  I forgot his name, but he said I could leave my bike and he'd
get it home for me".  Most of the people I call friends don't go as far for me as
he goes for near-strangers.

Larry Meyer
Annandale, VA
1997 Bandit 1200

Brian Roach wrote:

> On Wed, 06 Jun 2001, RacerGirl435@XXXXXX wrote:
>
> > Hey Laura!
> >
> > You and Roach are then ones with the Aprilia RS250's!  Why don't YOU guys
> > buy beer and snacks for everybody eh!?  hehe
> >
> > Non-motorcycle having wanna be racing an Aprilia RS250,
> > Jess
>
> We do, but generally only for people who don't talk about us behind our
> backs.
>
> And to answer the smart ass little remark you made at the track about Laura
> around people who know me (Funny how everyone at the track seems to know me,
> huh?), yes, it IS nice to be on the Brian Roach racing program. Ask Sean
> Jordan, Gil Gates, AND Laura. OR, any of the vast number of good people whom
> I've helped out at the track over the last 3 years either with setting up
> their bikes, hauling them around the country, or putting their bikes back
> together after they crashed.
>
> If you have a problem with me buying a bike for Laura to race, please, let me
> know what it is... I'll happily explain that A) I wanted to, because I can
> and she's quite possibly the greatest woman I've ever met, and B) It's none
> of your damn business. Maybe you should have made the payments on your bike,
> eh? Then you'd have a streetbike like Laura does.
>
> - Roach



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>BTW how do I contact your shop to purchase a lap timer? Website URL?

>Cheers,

>George Cole

George (and all others on the list):

feel free to contact speedwerks at 302-672-RACE.  you can talk to brian
through email, or call speedwerks and ask for steve.  They will get you
great deals on stuff you need (helmets, gear, parts, etc.) and you'll get
awesome service, too.  Also, check out www.speed-werks.com.

Laura






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--- Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX> wrote:
> >how many people died last year at summit or other local
> >tracks?
> 
> More than a handful. Probably 1.9 metric handfuls.

<snippage of more non-responsive banter>



> >  > >i wish the yanker would stop yanking.
> >>
> >>  What's got you so convinced that I'm the yanker
> >>  anyways? I've never had to hide behind a fabricated 
> >>  persona to voice my opinions. I think it's Randy 
> >>  Moran. Go read his past posts; he's mister 
> >>  enlightened verbosity man.
>
>> YOU are Dick E. Anker.  actually, most people knew that
>> one before i did, judging by the responses i got after
my
>> last post on this topic.
> 
> First person to conclusively prove that I am Mr. Yanker
> gets an autographed picture of Team Jordan Racing. (Or a
> reasonable facsimile thereof. Offer void in Hawaii, 
> Alaska, and Canada.)

i'll take that as an admission, and i hope the list reads
it the same way.  you may also want to watch who you tell
your "secrets" to.

other list members may or may not give a shit, but, in my
opinion, getting caught in a lie is a pretty bad thing. 
acting as if it is irrelevant or humorous is even worse.



> >i have no
> >interest in getting out on the racetrack with some young
> >punk with an attitude.
> 
> Hey, I am not a punk! I hate the Sex Pistols!
> 
> >i wonder if anyone here does....hmmmm
> 
> Obivously Laura and Roach do, or they wouldn't haul my 
> attitude-laden, ball displaying, punk ass around or let
> me pit with them. (Thanks again, guys!)....

actually, judging by the recent posts, brian and laura
would do that for a complete stranger.



> Randy Moran and Danny Thompson don't seem to mind either.

> (Hope you feel better soon Danny!) I think you're jealous

> that no one wants to ride on the track with YOU, Tom. 
> But that's ok. Not everyone can be as cool as me. Don't
> sweat it.

<not sweating>



> Egads, man, lighten up!  Although if I had to ride a 996
> for a streetbike, I'm sure I'd end up a hardass too.
> 
> Tee-hee.

it's tough to lighten up when dealing with someone who's
admittedly full of shit.  i'm sure you understand.




=====
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In a message dated 6/11/01 1:46:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
trey_22206@XXXXXX writes:

> I think a lot of us here started as squidly. I know I
>  did many years ago. Any body who did't start out that
>  way (I think) missed something. Nothing like being
>  young and stupid. Gives you a wonderful sense of
>  power. As we grow up and realize how little we know
>  and how little we controll we can lose a bit freedom
>  and sense of adventure (not that I want to go back).
>  The trade off is acceptable (security, health, money).
>  When I see these T shirt and sandle types I just shake
>  my head reminese (SP), put on my jacket, boots, and
>  gloves and pass em in the turns.

Wiser words have not been said.  We've ALL been there.  I know I certainly 
have.  Luckily I walked away from my brushes with natural selection.  All we 
can do is to pass on the wisdom we've learned...and maybe mention how cool it 
is to wear leather.  At least that's one nice side effect of the sportbike 
rage....better safety gear....when it's actually worn.  At the beach...good 
luck...despite the hazards of sand.

Keener

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> I will have to add that Roach and Laura were both accommodating during the 
> NESBA track day on Friday.

And what unnaturals was he performing?  Hehehe  :-))
  
>  When I told Roach I was not having any luck getting my knee down, he had 
me 
> sit on my bike and showed me the proper positioning. Turns out I was 
sitting 
> to far forward towards the tank and twisting my body. I needed to hang off 
> with my shoulder too and to slide back on the seat.
>  
>  I spent the last sessions working on my technique and it worked the bike 
was 
> more stable in the corners and I could carry more speed. 

OK....now take it a step further.  When would you think about moving your 
body forward?  Or backward?  When cornering at a high speed?  Once you start 
getting a feel for touching your knee down....it quickly loses it's cool 
factor.  I barely put my knee down...only to feel where I am in the lean...or 
to save a lowside. 
  
>  BTW how do I contact your shop to purchase a lap timer? Website URL?

(302) 672-RACE  You are probably asking about the AIM MyChron Light.  Figure 
are $230 or so I think.  

Keener

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In a message dated 6/11/2001 8:21:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
bhuson@XXXXXX writes:

> Oh, well, off to Powerslop to go shopping.

Oh well indeed!... They don't have it.

John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC

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    (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.)
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In a message dated 6/11/2001 12:54:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
tgroghan@XXXXXX writes:

> The owners said they hit a slick spot.

Having spent many years as a mechanic I can tell you that invisible sand is 
hell on bikes.
They all say "I hit a patch of sand!"... Yea right.

John Walters (Long John)
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Before I being, I hereby admit that I am Dick E. Anker. I do not 
exist in reality, and I do not ride a Harris-framed GSXR.

<soapbox>

>i'll take that as an admission, and i hope the list reads
>it the same way.

I've got one word for you.

Whoopty-do.

Why do you hope the list "reads it the same way."? What would that 
accomplish? Will people stop saying "Hello!" to me at Bike Nights? 
Will they turn their noses and close their visors when I walk by? Is 
your righteousness gland going berzerk or what? Do you have some sort 
of vested interest in the list taking that "as an admission"? What 
would the results be if everyone did take that as an admission? Would 
a Tribunal of Impartial Members then be convened to discuss possible 
censure and/or punishment?

>other list members may or may not give a shit, but, in my
>opinion, getting caught in a lie is a pretty bad thing.
>acting as if it is irrelevant or humorous is even worse.

*Yawn* How droll. Really, Tom, perhaps you should put "Paragon of 
Virtue, Justice, and The American Way" in your email signature. If I 
continue to laugh any harder, I might have to call the paramedics.

Lying is defined thusly:

"To present false information with the intention of deceiving."

Did I present false information? Sure I did! Did I do with the 
intention of deceiving? Not quite! Let's be honest here. (Pun fully 
intended.) Do you think so highly of yourself for seeing through my 
thin veil of subterfuge? Or do you think so little of the other 
listers that you have to point it out for them? I was so plain in my 
act of perfidy that it can hardly be construed as being deception. If 
I had really wanted to maintain a secret alter-ego, I wouldn't have 
posted to the list with a static IP address. If you go and look at 
the email headers, you'll see that mine and Mr. Anker's posts came 
from the same address. (And many of you did.) I also would have 
altered his patterns of language so that they didn't mirror my own. 
And I also wouldn't have protested my innocence in a way that made 
obvious the fact that I was Dick E. Anker!

When I posted the "Team Jordan Racing in the news!" email, do you 
think anyone saw that as a genuine news article? Do you think anyone 
thought I was attempting to pass off such a poorly written piece of 
drivel as an actual published piece of journalism? No one I've talked 
to has. (Albeit, I've only spoken with a handful of listers since its 
posting, but all of them thought it was rather clever and amusing, 
for a lie.)

The Yanker bit was of the same vein, a slyly crafted ruse meant to 
entertain other listers. Judging from the feedback, both were 
successful. There will be those who unamused, there might even be a 
few who are offended. Bully for them; such is their right. But to 
climb on such a high-horse over such an insignificant issue. Really, 
Tom, I hope you have better sense in choosing your legal battles.

So, for all of the listers who were genuinely offended by my posting 
as Dick E. Anker, and then lying about, I formally apologize. That 
was never my intent.

For those of you who saw the posts for what they were and enjoyed them, thanks.

I daresay there are even fewer fans of your sanctimonious and 
delicate sensibilities.

"Hey guys, look at that molehill over there....oh, wait. Nevermind. 
Tom's too busy making a  mountain out of it."

>it's tough to lighten up when dealing with someone who's
>admittedly full of shit.  i'm sure you understand.


Can't say that I do. I do, however, have a much harder time dealing 
with people who are so full of shit it clouds their ability to see 
things in their proper context.

May I humbly suggest Visine?

</soapbox>














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In a message dated 6/11/01 4:25:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
sean.jordan@XXXXXX writes:

> *Yawn* How droll. Really, Tom, perhaps you should put "Paragon of 
>  Virtue, Justice, and The American Way" in your email signature. If I 
>  continue to laugh any harder, I might have to call the paramedics.

Too fucking funny.  Hehehe.

I missed half of the exchange...damn...guess I'm gonna have to go back and 
read the fuss now.

Either way.

1.  Bad unicorn boy.
2.  Worse flame from whoever he was.
3.  Nice retort.  Guess I'll have to move you up a notch from stupid squid to 
educated squid.  :-))
4.  Now go play nice in the sandbox.

Oh...that quote above...pretty much made my day.  Thanks!  Tee hee hee...

Keener

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Gimer hinted at:

<merciful snip>

> > Egads, man, lighten up!  Although if I had to ride a 996
> > for a streetbike, I'm sure I'd end up a hardass too.
> >
> > Tee-hee.
>
> it's tough to lighten up when dealing with someone who's
> admittedly full of shit.  i'm sure you understand.

  Well, Tom, I would understand if you'd just stop beating around the 
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>>> <SKeener2@XXXXXX> Wrote <SNIP> 

>OK....now take it a step further.  When would you think about moving your 
>body forward?  Or backward?  When cornering at a high speed?

I guess to help the bike steer more or less without changing the lean angle? 

It was hard for me to push myself back on the seat. With the seat shape and rear high attitude of the R6 I always seem to slide forward. I had to push myself back with my legs, while trying not to put any pressure on the bars.

>Once you start getting a feel for touching your knee down....it quickly loses it's cool factor.  I barely put my knee down...only to feel where I am in the >lean...or to save a lowside. 

Yes, I know it's childish, but I still want to do it at least once. If just to brag to my moto buddies.
 
>  BTW how do I contact your shop to purchase a lap timer? Website URL?

>(302) 672-RACE  You are probably asking about the AIM MyChron Light.  Figure 
>are $230 or so I think.  

Thanks,  that's the one, I would like an accurate way to measure my progress. IE try a new line, shock setting, etc

George Cole





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--- Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Before I being, I hereby admit that I am Dick E. Anker. I
> do not 
> exist in reality, and I do not ride a Harris-framed GSXR.

mission accomplished.  now i can sleep at night.



> <soapbox>
> 
> >i'll take that as an admission, and i hope the list
> >reads it the same way.
> 
> I've got one word for you.
> 
> Whoopty-do.
> 
> Why do you hope the list "reads it the same way."? What
> would that accomplish? Will people stop saying "Hello!" 
> to me at Bike Nights? Will they turn their noses and 
> close their visors when I walk by? Is your righteousness 
> gland going berzerk or what? Do you have some sort 
> of vested interest in the list taking that "as an
> admission"? What would the results be if everyone did 
> take that as an admission? Would a Tribunal of Impartial 
> Members then be convened to discuss possible censure 
> and/or punishment?

none of the above.

i simply get a kick out of seeing people admit that they're
full of shit.  i'm a lawyer.  that's what many of us strive
to see EVERY FUCKING DAY.  why you haven't been able to
figure that out is surprising to me.  

as far as the list is concerned, i only hope that when some
individuals see your posts they say, "hey, great!  here's
another post from that sean guy.  jesus is he full of
shit."  it is really just that simple.



> >other list members may or may not give a shit, but, in
> >my opinion, getting caught in a lie is a pretty bad 
> >thing.  acting as if it is irrelevant or humorous is 
> >even worse.
> 
> *Yawn* How droll. Really, Tom, perhaps you should put
> "Paragon of Virtue, Justice, and The American Way" in 
> your email signature. If I continue to laugh any harder, 
> I might have to call the paramedics.
>
> Lying is defined thusly:
> 
> "To present false information with the intention of
> deceiving."

ahhh....the dictionary is pulled out yet again to explain
"how it is" to us uneducated listers.

fyi, when i accused you of and you denied being dick e.
anker, you "lied," by anyone's definition.



> Did I present false information? Sure I did! Did I do
> with the intention of deceiving? Not quite! Let's be 
> honest here. (Pun fully intended.) Do you think so highly

> of yourself for seeing through my thin veil of
> subterfuge? Or do you think so little of the other 
> listers that you have to point it out for them? I was so
> plain in my act of perfidy that it can hardly be 
> construed as being deception. If I had really wanted to 
> maintain a secret alter-ego, I wouldn't have posted to 
> the list with a static IP address. If you go and look at 
> the email headers, you'll see that mine and Mr. Anker's
> posts came from the same address. (And many of you did.) 
> I also would have altered his patterns of language so 
> that they didn't mirror my own. And I also wouldn't have 
> protested my innocence in a way that made obvious the 
> fact that I was Dick E. Anker!

sorry, but there are plenty of us on the list without the
knowledge required to make that connection.  are we all IT
guys?  no.  thank god.



> When I posted the "Team Jordan Racing in the news!"
> email, do you think anyone saw that as a genuine news 
> article? Do you think anyone thought I was attempting to 
> pass off such a poorly written piece of drivel as an 
> actual published piece of journalism? No one I've talked 
> to has. (Albeit, I've only spoken with a handful of
> listers since its posting, but all of them thought it was

> rather clever and amusing, for a lie.)  The Yanker bit 
> was of the same vein, a slyly crafted ruse
> meant to entertain other listers. Judging from the 
> feedback, both were successful.

it's pretty clear from my posts (check the archives) that i
was impressed with the yanker....that is, until i
discovered it was you, confronted you, and you denied it.



> There will be those who unamused, there might even be a 
> few who are offended. Bully for them; such is their 
> right. But to climb on such a high-horse over such an 
> insignificant issue. Really, Tom, I hope you have better 
> sense in choosing your legal battles.

all of this talk after challenging the list to perk up!  it
seems that when the target of the perking up is YOU, there
is no need for such frivolty.  what a crock!  tell me you
see why this strikes me as quite funny.



> So, for all of the listers who were genuinely offended by
> my posting as Dick E. Anker, and then lying about, I 
> formally apologize. That was never my intent.
> 
> For those of you who saw the posts for what they were and
> enjoyed them, thanks.
> 
> I daresay there are even fewer fans of your sanctimonious
> and delicate sensibilities.

<sniff>, <sniff>

if only i had the wealth of fans and friends that you
believe you have.



> "Hey guys, look at that molehill over there....oh, wait.
> Nevermind. Tom's too busy making a  mountain out of it."
> 
> >it's tough to lighten up when dealing with someone who's
> >admittedly full of shit.  i'm sure you understand.
> 
> Can't say that I do. I do, however, have a much harder
> time dealing with people who are so full of shit it 
> clouds their ability to see things in their proper 
> context.
> 
> May I humbly suggest Visine?
> 
> </soapbox>

suggestion noted....and not understood.  visine "gets the
red out"?????

but why not make it easy for me and enlighten me as to the
"proper context"?  i was actually following you right up to
the very end.....

i'll also offer to take this off-list unless there is some
identified interest in seeing this end in the forum it
started.


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No one gives a fuck.  Gimer, you are looking for
attention by even making this a public list issue from
the beginning.  

Take it somewhere else.  Enough negativity around here
today.


--- Tom Gimer <t_gimer@XXXXXX> wrote:
> --- Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > Before I being, I hereby admit that I am Dick E.
> Anker. I
> > do not 
> > exist in reality, and I do not ride a
> Harris-framed GSXR.
> 
> mission accomplished.  now i can sleep at night.
> 
> 
> 
> > <soapbox>
> > 
> > >i'll take that as an admission, and i hope the
> list
> > >reads it the same way.
> > 
> > I've got one word for you.
> > 
> > Whoopty-do.
> > 
> > Why do you hope the list "reads it the same way."?
> What
> > would that accomplish? Will people stop saying
> "Hello!" 
> > to me at Bike Nights? Will they turn their noses
> and 
> > close their visors when I walk by? Is your
> righteousness 
> > gland going berzerk or what? Do you have some sort
> 
> > of vested interest in the list taking that "as an
> > admission"? What would the results be if everyone
> did 
> > take that as an admission? Would a Tribunal of
> Impartial 
> > Members then be convened to discuss possible
> censure 
> > and/or punishment?
> 
> none of the above.
> 
> i simply get a kick out of seeing people admit that
> they're
> full of shit.  i'm a lawyer.  that's what many of us
> strive
> to see EVERY FUCKING DAY.  why you haven't been able
> to
> figure that out is surprising to me.  
> 
> as far as the list is concerned, i only hope that
> when some
> individuals see your posts they say, "hey, great! 
> here's
> another post from that sean guy.  jesus is he full
> of
> shit."  it is really just that simple.
> 
> 
> 
> > >other list members may or may not give a shit,
> but, in
> > >my opinion, getting caught in a lie is a pretty
> bad 
> > >thing.  acting as if it is irrelevant or humorous
> is 
> > >even worse.
> > 
> > *Yawn* How droll. Really, Tom, perhaps you should
> put
> > "Paragon of Virtue, Justice, and The American Way"
> in 
> > your email signature. If I continue to laugh any
> harder, 
> > I might have to call the paramedics.
> >
> > Lying is defined thusly:
> > 
> > "To present false information with the intention
> of
> > deceiving."
> 
> ahhh....the dictionary is pulled out yet again to
> explain
> "how it is" to us uneducated listers.
> 
> fyi, when i accused you of and you denied being dick
> e.
> anker, you "lied," by anyone's definition.
> 
> 
> 
> > Did I present false information? Sure I did! Did I
> do
> > with the intention of deceiving? Not quite! Let's
> be 
> > honest here. (Pun fully intended.) Do you think so
> highly
> 
> > of yourself for seeing through my thin veil of
> > subterfuge? Or do you think so little of the other
> 
> > listers that you have to point it out for them? I
> was so
> > plain in my act of perfidy that it can hardly be 
> > construed as being deception. If I had really
> wanted to 
> > maintain a secret alter-ego, I wouldn't have
> posted to 
> > the list with a static IP address. If you go and
> look at 
> > the email headers, you'll see that mine and Mr.
> Anker's
> > posts came from the same address. (And many of you
> did.) 
> > I also would have altered his patterns of language
> so 
> > that they didn't mirror my own. And I also
> wouldn't have 
> > protested my innocence in a way that made obvious
> the 
> > fact that I was Dick E. Anker!
> 
> sorry, but there are plenty of us on the list
> without the
> knowledge required to make that connection.  are we
> all IT
> guys?  no.  thank god.
> 
> 
> 
> > When I posted the "Team Jordan Racing in the
> news!"
> > email, do you think anyone saw that as a genuine
> news 
> > article? Do you think anyone thought I was
> attempting to 
> > pass off such a poorly written piece of drivel as
> an 
> > actual published piece of journalism? No one I've
> talked 
> > to has. (Albeit, I've only spoken with a handful
> of
> > listers since its posting, but all of them thought
> it was
> 
> > rather clever and amusing, for a lie.)  The Yanker
> bit 
> > was of the same vein, a slyly crafted ruse
> > meant to entertain other listers. Judging from the
> 
> > feedback, both were successful.
> 
> it's pretty clear from my posts (check the archives)
> that i
> was impressed with the yanker....that is, until i
> discovered it was you, confronted you, and you
> denied it.
> 
> 
> 
> > There will be those who unamused, there might even
> be a 
> > few who are offended. Bully for them; such is
> their 
> > right. But to climb on such a high-horse over such
> an 
> > insignificant issue. Really, Tom, I hope you have
> better 
> > sense in choosing your legal battles.
> 
> all of this talk after challenging the list to perk
> up!  it
> seems that when the target of the perking up is YOU,
> there
> is no need for such frivolty.  what a crock!  tell
> me you
> see why this strikes me as quite funny.
> 
> 
> 
> > So, for all of the listers who were genuinely
> offended by
> > my posting as Dick E. Anker, and then lying about,
> I 
> > formally apologize. That was never my intent.
> > 
> > For those of you who saw the posts for what they
> were and
> > enjoyed them, thanks.
> > 
> > I daresay there are even fewer fans of your
> sanctimonious
> > and delicate sensibilities.
> 
> <sniff>, <sniff>
> 
> if only i had the wealth of fans and friends that
> you
> believe you have.
> 
> 
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In a message dated 6/11/01 5:06:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
t_gimer@XXXXXX writes:

> mission accomplished.  now i can sleep at night.

I'm gonna sleep better already.  
  
>  i simply get a kick out of seeing people admit that they're
>  full of shit.  i'm a lawyer.  that's what many of us strive
>  to see EVERY FUCKING DAY.  why you haven't been able to
>  figure that out is surprising to me.  

Ahhh...now I see the problem here.  Lawyer ego meets wiseass.  FYI 
folks...Sean is a nice guy....who ocassional opens his mouth a bit wide.  But 
the diatribe from said 'lawyer' seems to be a bit over the top to me.
  
>  as far as the list is concerned, i only hope that when some
>  individuals see your posts they say, "hey, great!  here's
>  another post from that sean guy.  jesus is he full of
>  shit."  it is really just that simple.
  
And just who am I thinking is full of shit now?  I'll give ya one guess.
  
>  all of this talk after challenging the list to perk up!  it
>  seems that when the target of the perking up is YOU, there
>  is no need for such frivolty.  what a crock!  tell me you
>  see why this strikes me as quite funny.
  
Frivolity?  Uh...actually...I'd say the tone of your posts (As I read them) 
seem to lean towards belligerent.  
  
>  but why not make it easy for me and enlighten me as to the
>  "proper context"?  i was actually following you right up to
>  the very end.....
  
Oh oh oh....can I?  Hmmm...."Get the shit out"?  It's just a guess...and I'm 
another practically illterate computer nerd ya know.  Hehehehe

>  i'll also offer to take this off-list unless there is some
>  identified interest in seeing this end in the forum it
>  started.

Let me guess...sabers at dawn?  

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I'm constantly amazed at the
> number of people he helps out around there.  >

well, I see this as a great time to say thank you to Brian for all he has
done for me.  I started out last year wanting to do a track day.  Without
even knowing me, he offered to do the track day with me.  A group of us did
the cycle sport track day, and Brian was there helping each and every one of
us.

After that track day, I knew I wanted to race.  Not only has he helped me by
setting me up in great schools and taking multiple track days, buying me the
greatest bike I could possibly have, and helping me get started...he has
also been there to help me when I have a bad day and feel like I can't do it
at all.  He's given me lots of great advice to help me become a better
rider, and he has given me all of the support I could ever need.  He helps
me when I need a gear change, a tire change, etc., and I'm slowly learning
about all of the stuff he teaches me. This has been so valuable.

I see him at track days and every weekend, and he will help anyone who wants
help.  He is a great racer and knows how bikes work, so this is a great
combination.  Not only is Brian like this, but almost every racer I have
ever talked to.  Others on this list, like Fred, Randy Moran, Danny
Thompson, Steeve Kenner, etc...are all people that have helped me learn how
to race...and that's the great thing about racers.  They are all there to
help each other become better.

Just because someone has the *ability* to help someone out financially
shouldn't make people mad .  It's just another great example of how racers
help out others, especially new racers get into the sport.  I'm sure you can
ask Sean and many others about this too.  I am thankful every day that I
have someone like Brian who has helped me start doing the most fun thing I
have ever done in my life!!!  (ok, people, no jokes about the "love bird"
stuff!...this is irrelevant to us being boyfriend/girlfriend).

I encourage people to come out to the track, whether it's to watch us race,
YSR races, etc., because if you want to, you will learn a ton about riding
and becoming a better rider, whether you want to race or not.

Laura


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Subject: What a weekend that was !
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The weather - couldn't have special ordered it much better.

The racing (watching only for me...) - I rode up to Summit Saturday and
Sunday through the above mentioned great weather. The racing was great. The
Roach pit is alot of fun all the time.
Sean - I love that pig you ride (on the street that is).
Laura - great lens - thanks, I hope the pictures are half as good as the
racing. You kicked ass there Saturday !
Gil - oh - he doesn't read this... When i grow up I want to do that too...
Brian - WAY TO GO on the 3rd place finish and those damn fast times !

Bike Night: Thanks Chuck and Mark for doing this. I rode down straight from
Summit - I figured I needed dinner anyway. The location is perfect. The
place is friendly and I had a great time. A whole lot of riders showed up.

...now if I only had time to do tend to my studies...


Niv
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>i simply get a kick out of seeing people admit that they're
>full of shit.

Let's get one thing straight: I have never ever, publicly or 
privately, claimed that I am NOT full of shit.

>   i'm a lawyer.  that's what many of us strive
>to see EVERY FUCKING DAY.

Personally, I strive to see the ceiling above my bed when I wake up 
every morning. Maybe that's just me. I think you need to 
re-prioritize.

>  why you haven't been able to
>figure that out is surprising to me.

My knowledge of lawyers is derived from re-runs of Matlock, Lionel 
Hutz from the Simpsons and personal interaction with you. I have 
never been so confused by anyone subject.

>as far as the list is concerned, i only hope that when some
>individuals see your posts they say, "hey, great!  here's
>another post from that sean guy.  jesus is he full of
>shit."

This is what I hope for as well. What was the point of contention again?

>it is really just that simple.

It has been my experience that when someone says "It is really just 
that simple", in all actuality, it is not that simple.

>  > Lying is defined thusly:
>>
>>  "To present false information with the intention of
>>  deceiving."
>
>ahhh....the dictionary is pulled out yet again to explain
>"how it is" to us uneducated listers.

Not, the dictionary was pulled out yet again to explain "how it is" to you.

>fyi, when i accused you of and you denied being dick e.
>anker, you "lied," by anyone's definition.

Details, details. Must you define everything so absolutely?

>sorry, but there are plenty of us on the list without the
>knowledge required to make that connection.  are we all IT
>guys?  no.  thank god.

BUT there are a great deal of people who are. (Whom you've most 
likely just offended with your little "No. thank god." remark.) For 
those who aren't there were still plenty of other outrageously 
blatant clues. You need not have been Sherlock Holmes to read the 
rest of the clues.

>it's pretty clear from my posts (check the archives) that i
>was impressed with the yanker....

He sends his best regards, by the way.

>that is, until i discovered it was you, confronted you, and you denied it.

Here's the wind-up......

>all of this talk after challenging the list to perk up!  it
>seems that when the target of the perking up is YOU, there
>is no need for such frivolty.

And the pitch! Man, Tom. You are SO easy to manipulate. ::sigh:: 
Thank you for doing my dirty work.

>  what a crock!  tell me you
>see why this strikes me as quite funny.

I see why it strikes me as quite funny. In fact, I'm laughing right now!

><sniff>, <sniff>
>
>if only i had the wealth of fans and friends that you
>believe you have.

Oooooooh! Ouch! You call that a flame? That's more of a mild spark, 
really. I'm disappointed. You used to have such a fire in your belly. 
I ask you this, Tom: Where have all the cowboys gone? Where?, I ask 
you.

>suggestion noted....and not understood.  visine "gets the
>red out"?????

Standard medical knowledge indicates that the human ocular cavity is 
severely irritated by exposure to fecal matter. Irritation of these 
membranes often results in redness, which is alleviated by small 
doses of Visine.

>but why not make it easy for me and enlighten me as to the
>"proper context"?  i was actually following you right up to
>the very end.....

Nope, no more enlightenment for you. I'm fresh out of enlightenment. 
I can offer clarification and edification, but no more enlightenment.

>i'll also offer to take this off-list unless there is some
>identified interest in seeing this end in the forum it
>started.

Of course there's some identified interest in seeing this end in the 
forum it started. Geeze, isn't that painfully obvious?

--
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--- SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote:
> In a message dated 6/11/01 5:06:22 PM Eastern Daylight
> Time, 
> t_gimer@XXXXXX writes:
> 
> >  i simply get a kick out of seeing people admit that
> >  they're full of shit.  i'm a lawyer.  that's what many

> >  of us strive to see EVERY FUCKING DAY.  why you 
> >  haven't been able to figure that out is surprising to 
> >  me.  
> 
> Ahhh...now I see the problem here.  Lawyer ego meets
> wiseass.  FYI folks...Sean is a nice guy....who 
> ocassional opens his mouth a bit wide.  But the diatribe 
> from said 'lawyer' seems to be a bit over the top to me.

occasionally?  riiiiight.

i'm glad to see that someone who admittedly has no idea
what is being discussed feels the need to chime in with
support for his buddy.  the more the merrier.  i just wish
you had provided ANYTHING comprehendible.


> >  as far as the list is concerned, i only hope that when
> >  some individuals see your posts they say, "hey, great!

> >  here's another post from that sean guy.  jesus is he 
> >  full of shit."  it is really just that simple.
>   
> And just who am I thinking is full of shit now?  I'll
> give ya one guess.

hmmmm


   
> >  all of this talk after challenging the list to perk
> >  up!  it seems that when the target of the perking up 
> >  is YOU, there is no need for such frivolty.  what a 
> >  crock!  tell me you see why this strikes me as quite 
> >  funny.
>   
> Frivolity?  Uh...actually...I'd say the tone of your
> posts (As I read them) seem to lean towards belligerent. 


thank god we have you here to make sure sean doesn't get
hurt!  i think sean has demonstrated the ability to fend
for himself in the past.  why not let him?

as for you, i have no idea who you are or what you think
you have brought to the table by jumping in.



> >  but why not make it easy for me and enlighten me as to
> >  the "proper context"?  i was actually following you 
> >  right up to the very end.....
>   
> Oh oh oh....can I?  Hmmm...."Get the shit out"?  It's
> just a guess...and I'm another practically illterate 
> computer nerd ya know. 
> Hehehehe

why not let sean answer?  i sure as hell can't figure out
what you intended to mean here.



> >  i'll also offer to take this off-list unless there is
> >  some identified interest in seeing this end in the 
> >  forum it started.
> 
> Let me guess...sabers at dawn?

lost again.

congrats, keener.  you just succeeded in (1) contributing
nothing to the discussion and (2) making sure it continues
(against the wishes of many, including myself).


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>congrats, keener.  you just succeeded in (1) contributing
>nothing to the discussion and (2) making sure it continues
>(against the wishes of many, including myself).

Waitaminute.....does anyone see the what's wrong with that last 
statement? What the hell kind of logic is Tom using? I think it's a 
rare branch of logic commonly attributed to the ancient Greek 
philosopher Stupidimedes.

"Hmmm....someone has just responded to a discussion that I wish would 
not continue. I think I'll PUBLICLY REPLY TO THAT PERSON, thereby 
eliminating further discourse and engendering peace throughout the 
list. Yeah, that outta work."

Oh golly, oh gee, oh great googaly-moogaly. I got to go racing all 
weekend and now this? I can't take any more fun? Oh God, please make 
it stop. My ribs are aching like nobody's business.

-- 
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the 
skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #230 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
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--- Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX> wrote:
> >congrats, keener.  you just succeeded in (1)
> >contributing nothing to the discussion and (2) making 
> >sure it continues (against the wishes of many, including

> >myself).
> 
> Waitaminute.....does anyone see the what's wrong with
> that last statement? What the hell kind of logic is Tom 
> using? I think it's a rare branch of logic commonly 
> attributed to the ancient Greek philosopher Stupidimedes.
> 
> "Hmmm....someone has just responded to a discussion that
> I wish would not continue. I think I'll PUBLICLY REPLY TO

> THAT PERSON, thereby eliminating further discourse and 
> engendering peace throughout the list. Yeah, that outta 
> work."

i will regretably admit that you have made a point here. 
well done.

however, having just prior to that message responded to the
list that i would be happy to take the discussion
elsewhere, i think it is clear what my intentions were.



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Hey Laura!  How about another part to the member bios page on the 
website....

Number of 'Delete' keys broken!

Mark me down for another one.


Gentlemen....Please...move away from your keyboards and GO RIDE!!!!!
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In a message dated 6/11/01 5:17:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SKeener2@XXXXXX 
writes:

<< Let me guess...sabers at dawn?  >>


Foils are more elegant.

Ciao,

Fred

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From: "Rob Keiser" <robkeiser@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news!

Hey Laura!  How about another part to the member bios page on the
website....
Number of 'Delete' keys broken!
>>Consider yourself lucky.  Those of us on digest have to either sort through it
or trash the whole post.  
Please consider this another request to take all pissing contests off-line.  

Mark me down for another one.
Gentlemen....Please...move away from your keyboards and GO RIDE!!!!!
>>partially agree.  move away from your keyboards, after that do whatever you
want

R

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snip...
> it stop. My ribs are aching like nobody's business.

You just had to bring that up...

Danny
'98 VTR
'99 SV  (race bike) battered for now...
Novice #903
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I'm rather sunburned to a crisp but I just finished up my first ever Cycle Sport Track Day. I spectated the event last September and promised myself to attend this time around.

I rode 2 bikes - my cb750 Nighthawk and my most recent acquisition: a GS500E race bike. I started with the NH simply because I knew how she worked and wanted to see what the track looked like from the rider's perspective. Incredible. I was consistantly off by one gear powering out of turns 2, 5, and 10 but I had a blast and my tires even have that 'look'.

I did 2 sessions on the NH, scraping all sort of things and actually out-riding some of the others in my C group. I decided to switch to the GS at that point so as to not have to figure out how this other bike rode in the more exciting afternoon sessions. Sitting in the crouch, hugging the narrow tank, ducking under the fairing, the mighty inline-twin blatting it's 43HP out. Poetry. Wow. I was speachless. Since I was getting blown away on the straights by the 600cc sportbikes I had to make up for it in braking and corner speed. Many was the time I was running up people's tailpipes off the gas as they felt their way around the turn.

I had some good battles going there for a bit. One guy on a TZ350 and another a VFR700 piloted by "mr. Fox leathers" and I mixed it up. I just wish passing in corners was permitted. Oh well, that's what I need a race license for. Despite my 'valient' efforts it was frustrating to see the SV650's etc. just pull away like I was standing still, no matter that my engine was near readline. But for my first ever ride on a race bike, my first ever foray onto a track, and that my bike riding 1st birthday has yet to arrive, to complete the day in such a good manner without incident feels great.

Speaking of incidents, today was crash city. No less than 6 red flags stopped rides. Predomanantly in the A class but the C's notched a couple as well. We got started late (10am instead of 8) and our group only got to do 3 laps of the final 30 or so minute session because of a ground hog or an encounter with one. Wasn't too clear on the specifics on that.

My lines could use some improvement. I was noticing how wide people were going out of 2, 6, 7 and here I was slicing in deep from mid-lane instead of the outer edge. Maybe it was a factor of the lightness of the bike. Or that my power curve is such that I can have a lot of throttle and not much happens. Things to work on next time out.

I have to echo the tone of Laura's post. This *IS* the experience.
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Any chance anyone out there have a video or a first hand account of my crash
at Summit on Sunday May 13th?
Danny
'98 VTR
'99 SV  (race bike) battered for now...
Novice #903
www.onewayracing.org

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<Snipped  Gimer / Jordan flame fest>

>sorry, but there are plenty of us on the list without the
>knowledge required to make that connection.  are we all IT
>guys?  no.  thank god.

		You mean this list has OTHER types ?  NON IT?  SACRILEGE!


BUT there are a great deal of people who are. (Whom you've most
likely just offended with your little "No. thank god." remark.)

		You're kidding, right Sean ?  The above pearl of wisdom doesn't even
register on the Gimermeter(tm), which is used to measure the literary
Venom in email & BBS.  That was only a 3.0 (out of ten) on the
Gimermeter(tm).  But, it's at least an 'opening of the door for some
tasteless Lawyer scum jokes ;-)


Dave Yates
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> But the diatribe
> from said 'lawyer' seems to be a bit over the top to me.

	Gimer.  Over the top....  BAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.  
	That was a Doosey...  	;-)



Dave Yates
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Fredo pointed out:



<< Let me guess...sabers at dawn?  >>


Foils are more elegant.


		I will only sign off on the above statement, if they're used in the
manner of motorcycle jousting.  Maybe we could set up a little cone
course in the MVA parking lot...
		;-)


Dave Yates
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My buddy and I are going to Budd's Creek on Sunday for the AMA 125/250
National motocross races.  We are considering riding our bikes.  Tickets are
$25.00.  Is anyone interested in joining us?  The central meeting location
will be in either Prince William County or Stafford County off I-95.  If
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 Boiade@XXXXXX wrote:

> << Let me guess...sabers at dawn?  >>
> 
> Foils are more elegant.

Ah yes, but .45s are more effective.

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> << Let me guess...sabers at dawn?  >>
>
> Foils are more elegant.

Ah yes, but .45s are more effective.

	"You gonna pull those pistols, or whistle Dixie?"  ;-)

Dave Yates


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At 05:05 PM 6/11/01, Tom Gimer wrote:
>.... are we all IT guys?  no.  thank god.

Hey, that's pretty low, coming from a sleazebag ambulance chaser in 
Washington, DC.  8;)

Maybe Gimer and Jordan are one and the same, and we're all really being had.

-- Larry



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Hey, that's pretty low, coming from a sleazebag ambulance chaser in
Washington, DC.  8;)

Maybe Gimer and Jordan are one and the same, and we're all really being
had.

		Then that would mean that Gimer would be Jordan, AND Anker.  Damn.  We
couldn't script a soap opera any better...


Dave Yates
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>>Gentlemen....Please...move away from your keyboards
and GO RIDE!!!!!<<

I second the motion! :0

All in favor, say Aye! All opposed say Nay! The Ayes
have it. Yeah, I heard voices!!! :0 I've gotcha too,
cause it will be pretty hard to get a show of hands on
this vote until the next Bike Night! LOL

-jeff

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Noticed a spiffy-looking Honda VF1000R on 66E this morning, right before I
turned off on 28.  Unmarked police SUV behind, plus another car in front.
Anyone on list?


Robert Verde


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First, I want to thank everyone who came to Bike Night @ The Rock last
Saturday.  We had a great time sitting up on the roof enjoying the great
weather and being able to look down on the parking lot with all the
motorcycles.  It's too bad we couldn't get the racing videos up on the
roof (WSB and 250/500 GP), but they played downstairs on the big
screens.

We had a decent size crowd, but not huge.  So I'm kind of curious as to
why people weren't there.  It would help me and Mark to know for
planning future Bike Nights.  If it's not too much trouble, please let
us know why you didn't come to Bike Night:

1.  Not in town that weekend (e.g., at the races, at the beach).
2.  Already busy with other social engagement(s) on Saturday night.
3.  The weather was so nice that I just kept riding and forgot all about
Bike Night.
4.  Didn't want to come into DC.
5.  Other.

Thanx!

Chuck, aka Deerhunter

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Really?  I thought the "discussion" was kind of fun.  Better than tire, oil
and "gee I went racing and loved it" threads.  If I recall correctly, I
think it is Gimer's turn next! :-)

Waiting,
--chris





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>>Gentlemen....Please...move away from your keyboards
and GO RIDE!!!!!<<

I second the motion! :0

All in favor, say Aye! All opposed say Nay! The Ayes
have it. Yeah, I heard voices!!! :0 I've gotcha too,
cause it will be pretty hard to get a show of hands on
this vote until the next Bike Night! LOL

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Husband had his appendix out, that's why I wasn't
there. LOL
The weekend was spent going back & forth to the
hospital on my motorcycle.  Ah well, at least I got to
ride, right?  ;-)
When's the one at Grevey's again?  I want to come to
that one.  :-)

- Jeannette
  '86 VFR 700 F2
  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

--- Chuck Pena <cvkgpena@XXXXXX> wrote:
If it's not too much
> trouble, please let
> us know why you didn't come to Bike Night:
> 
> 1.  Not in town that weekend (e.g., at the races, at
> the beach).
> 2.  Already busy with other social engagement(s) on
> Saturday night.
> 3.  The weather was so nice that I just kept riding
> and forgot all about
> Bike Night.
> 4.  Didn't want to come into DC.
> 5.  Other.
> 
> Thanx!
> 
> Chuck, aka Deerhunter
> 
> -- 
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> visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas


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Actually, I think Gimer is Jordan's Evil Twin Brother.  Or is Jordan Gimer's Evil Twin Brother?  Or are they really triplets and Anker is the normal one?  Or..or...AAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Too....much...thinking...head....going....to...explode.....POWWWWW....;-)  "So are the days of our lives."

Scooter (hitting delete key now)

In a message dated Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:31:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Dave Yates" <sdave@XXXXXX> writes:

<< 
Hey, that's pretty low, coming from a sleazebag ambulance chaser in
Washington, DC.  8;)

Maybe Gimer and Jordan are one and the same, and we're all really being
had.

        Then that would mean that Gimer would be Jordan, AND Anker.  Damn.  We
couldn't script a soap opera any better...


Dave Yates
'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
'97 Cobra #5148
http://www.radix.net/~sdave/


 >>



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Ummm...I think it's Number 1 Regis.  Not in town that weekend (at bro-in-laws b-day celebration. last minute invite.)  And that's my final answer.  :-)  If you schedule another one at The Rock, I will definitely make sure I attend.

Scooter

In a message dated Tue, 12 Jun 2001  9:20:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Chuck Pena <cvkgpena@XXXXXX> writes:

<< First, I want to thank everyone who came to Bike Night @ The Rock last
Saturday.  We had a great time sitting up on the roof enjoying the great
weather and being able to look down on the parking lot with all the
motorcycles.  It's too bad we couldn't get the racing videos up on the
roof (WSB and 250/500 GP), but they played downstairs on the big
screens.

We had a decent size crowd, but not huge.  So I'm kind of curious as to
why people weren't there.  It would help me and Mark to know for
planning future Bike Nights.  If it's not too much trouble, please let
us know why you didn't come to Bike Night:

1.  Not in town that weekend (e.g., at the races, at the beach).
2.  Already busy with other social engagement(s) on Saturday night.
3.  The weather was so nice that I just kept riding and forgot all about
Bike Night.
4.  Didn't want to come into DC.
5.  Other.

Thanx!

Chuck, aka Deerhunter

-- 
"Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai
visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas
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In a message dated 6/11/2001 10:14:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
sdave@XXXXXX writes:

> > << Let me guess...sabers at dawn?  >>
>  >
>  > Foils are more elegant.
>  
>  Ah yes, but .45s are more effective.

We are talking Honda V 45 Sabers? Right?

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Up near DC

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    (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.)
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Maybe Stephen King could write a story about this....
Oh yeah, he already did. It's called "The Dark Half".
Great book. 


--- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote:
> Actually, I think Gimer is Jordan's Evil Twin
> Brother.  Or is Jordan Gimer's Evil Twin Brother? 
> Or are they really triplets and Anker is the normal
> one? 
> 


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>>>>It's better than...."gee I went racing and loved it" threads.  

ummm, and what exactly is wrong with those???

LAG


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Hmmm...actually I think SK was beat to the punch by Thomas Tryon with "The 
Other"

>From: Matthew Rosenstock <m_rosenstock@XXXXXX>
>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
>Subject: RE: Team Jordan Racing in the news!
>Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 07:01:23 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Maybe Stephen King could write a story about this....
>Oh yeah, he already did. It's called "The Dark Half".
>Great book.
>
>
>--- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote:
> > Actually, I think Gimer is Jordan's Evil Twin
> > Brother.  Or is Jordan Gimer's Evil Twin Brother?
> > Or are they really triplets and Anker is the normal
> > one?
> >
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I can vouch here for Brian also.
First time I met Brian was once when I went to Speedwerks in DE.
I had gone there to see a bike Steve the owner had for sale.
Brian haapened to be hanging there at that time. After I looked at the bike 
and had made a deal to buy it - Brian introduced himself and I said that I 
had heard a lot about him on the DC-Cycles list. He had answered all my 
questions about the bike I wanted to purchase and when he heard I lived in 
VA and was having trouble transporting the bike to VA he volunteered without 
any hasitation. He went completely out of his way on a weekend to bring the 
bike right to my house and dropping it for me - eventhough he had a lot of 
other things he could have done. On other occassions Brian has also answered 
a lot of my stupid questions on numerous phone calls I have made to him 
never getting annoyed no even once. The point here I am trying to make here 
is - It is easy to make friends but real friends are hard to cme by.

Regards

Altaan Choudhry
9D7 TLS

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Brian Roach wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2001, RacerGirl435@XXXXXX wrote:

Hey Laura!

You and Roach are then ones with the Aprilia RS250's!  Why don't YOU guys
buy beer and snacks for everybody eh!?  hehe

Non-motorcycle having wanna be racing an Aprilia RS250,Jess
We do, but generally only for people who don't talk about us behind our
backs.

And to answer the smart ass little remark you made at the track about Laura
around people who know me (Funny how everyone at the track seems to know me,
huh?), yes, it IS nice to be on the Brian Roach racing program. Ask Sean
Jordan, Gil Gates, AND Laura. OR, any of the vast number of good people whom 
I've helped out at the track over the last 3 years either with setting up 
their bikes, hauling them around the country, or putting their bikes back 
together after they crashed.

If you have a problem with me buying a bike for Laura to race, please, let 
me know what it is... I'll happily explain that A) I wanted to, because I 
can and she's quite possibly the greatest woman I've ever met, and B) It's 
none of your damn business. Maybe you should have made the payments on your 
bike, eh? Then you'd have a streetbike like Laura does.

- Roach

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I can vouch too......the man set me up with leathers
and a place to call home for California Superbike
School 2000 and 2001 at VIR.  Also, he is a nice gut
(at least when he's got the right tires on his bike!!)

Mark

--- Altaan Choudhry <altaanc@XXXXXX> wrote:
> I can vouch here for Brian also.
> First time I met Brian was once when I went to
> Speedwerks in DE.
> I had gone there to see a bike Steve the owner had
> for sale.
> Brian haapened to be hanging there at that time.
> After I looked at the bike 
> and had made a deal to buy it - Brian introduced
> himself and I said that I 
> had heard a lot about him on the DC-Cycles list. He
> had answered all my 
> questions about the bike I wanted to purchase and
> when he heard I lived in 
> VA and was having trouble transporting the bike to
> VA he volunteered without 
> any hasitation. He went completely out of his way on
> a weekend to bring the 
> bike right to my house and dropping it for me -
> eventhough he had a lot of 
> other things he could have done. On other occassions
> Brian has also answered 
> a lot of my stupid questions on numerous phone calls
> I have made to him 
> never getting annoyed no even once. The point here I
> am trying to make here 
> is - It is easy to make friends but real friends are
> hard to cme by.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Altaan Choudhry
> 9D7 TLS
> 
>
==================================================================
> Brian Roach wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 06 Jun 2001, RacerGirl435@XXXXXX wrote:
> 
> Hey Laura!
> 
> You and Roach are then ones with the Aprilia
> RS250's!  Why don't YOU guys
> buy beer and snacks for everybody eh!?  hehe
> 
> Non-motorcycle having wanna be racing an Aprilia
> RS250,Jess
> We do, but generally only for people who don't talk
> about us behind our
> backs.
> 
> And to answer the smart ass little remark you made
> at the track about Laura
> around people who know me (Funny how everyone at the
> track seems to know me,
> huh?), yes, it IS nice to be on the Brian Roach
> racing program. Ask Sean
> Jordan, Gil Gates, AND Laura. OR, any of the vast
> number of good people whom 
> I've helped out at the track over the last 3 years
> either with setting up 
> their bikes, hauling them around the country, or
> putting their bikes back 
> together after they crashed.
> 
> If you have a problem with me buying a bike for
> Laura to race, please, let 
> me know what it is... I'll happily explain that A) I
> wanted to, because I 
> can and she's quite possibly the greatest woman I've
> ever met, and B) It's 
> none of your damn business. Maybe you should have
> made the payments on your 
> bike, eh? Then you'd have a streetbike like Laura
> does.
> 
> - Roach
> 
>
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We did better this this weekend at Summit Point.  Read all about it at:

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For next event info see:

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Hmmm...I missed that you had sent that to the list.  DOH.  

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> occasionally?  riiiiight.

Admittedly...he's over the top many times.  
  
>  i'm glad to see that someone who admittedly has no idea
>  what is being discussed feels the need to chime in with
>  support for his buddy.  the more the merrier.  i just wish
>  you had provided ANYTHING comprehendible.
  
Hmmm...feeling a bit full of yourself.  That's ok....we expect that from 
lawyers.
  
>  > Frivolity?  Uh...actually...I'd say the tone of your
>  > posts (As I read them) seem to lean towards belligerent. 
>  
>  thank god we have you here to make sure sean doesn't get
>  hurt!  i think sean has demonstrated the ability to fend
>  for himself in the past.  why not let him?

Oh...he's doing just fine.  In fact...the more belligerant you act....the 
funnier it gets for the rest.
  
>  as for you, i have no idea who you are or what you think
>  you have brought to the table by jumping in.
  
Good point.  I'm a club racer.  That means I actually understand bikes, 
racing, and imagine this....humor.  Obviously you've missed the boat on all 3.
  
>  > Let me guess...sabers at dawn?
>  
>  lost again.

Why does this not surprise me.  For an 'educated lawyer'....you seem to be 
missing a few things.  
  
>  congrats, keener.  you just succeeded in (1) contributing
>  nothing to the discussion and (2) making sure it continues
>  (against the wishes of many, including myself).
  
I contributed exactly what I wanted too.  It wasn't what YOU wanted to hear.  
But I'm fine with that.

Keener  

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Geez, is the list now becoming the Brian Roach fan club???  Gag!!! %^) 
OK, I have to admit that Brian is a nice guy.  He transported my GSXR
to/from CSS@VIR last year.  And helped me make sure it was roadworthy to
ride home from his place afterwards (since I had lowsided it at CSS).

Chuck, aka Deerhunter

Mark Kitchell wrote:
> 
> I can vouch too......the man set me up with leathers
> and a place to call home for California Superbike
> School 2000 and 2001 at VIR.  Also, he is a nice gut
> (at least when he's got the right tires on his bike!!)

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In a message dated 6/11/01 8:37:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX 
writes:

>       I will only sign off on the above statement, if they're used in the
>  manner of motorcycle jousting.  Maybe we could set up a little cone
>  course in the MVA parking lot...
>       ;-)

I'm up for that.  Do we do it be bike size?  Rider size?  Or the size of 
their ego???  
:-))

Keener  

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> Maybe Gimer and Jordan are one and the same, and we're all really being had.

I doubt it.  Cause I'd pimp slap Jordan across the track if he annoyed me 
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Does anyone perform starter valve sync's as side work ?? I'm interested in
learning how to do it, but probably need instruction.  Or if someone does it
on the side for $$$ -- please mail me off-list.. I've noticed my 99 VFR is
taking 2-3 attempts at the starter to get her fired up.  Offlist replies
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Started thinking about what would happen in a
motorcycle vs. pedestrian accident after I went
around Washington Cir. near GW hospital this morning.
Pedestrian ran out from between two parked cars
almost into my front wheel.  Heavy swerve to avoid
running into the guy.  [he was nowhere near a cross
walk and I had a green light.]  Had the same thing 
almost happen in Georgetown last week.  Anyone
have any experience with the physics of 400+ lb.
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for conscience clearing confessions here, just some
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Nothing at all.  I just hadn't seen a post from you in a few minutes and I
knew you would respond.  :-)

--chris





Laura Granato <lgranato@XXXXXX> on 06/12/2001 10:27:13 AM





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>>>>It's better than...."gee I went racing and loved it" threads.

ummm, and what exactly is wrong with those???

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Assuming the m/c has any speed at all and using my one and only
experience with a deer, I am guessing that the result would be one dead
homo sapien and anywhere from light damage to a total write-off for the
m/c (largely depending on whether the m/c hits something else more
substantial after the human).

Chuck, aka Deerhunter

"Fisk, Euan" wrote <SNIP>:
> 
> almost happen in Georgetown last week.  Anyone
> have any experience with the physics of 400+ lb.
> motorbike+rider hitting >200 lb. human?  Not looking
> for conscience clearing confessions here, just some
> morbid curiosity as to what could happen sooner or later.

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What is WITH the idiots these days!?
I had a woman do that to me yesterday, too, in my
TRUCK.  I had to brake HARD and I laid on the horn. 
She looked in my direction like, "hmmm, oh well..." 
It didn't even PHASE her!!! WTF?

- Jeannette
  '86 VFR 700 F2
  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

--- "Fisk, Euan" <efisk@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Started thinking about what would happen in a
> motorcycle vs. pedestrian accident after I went
> around Washington Cir. near GW hospital this
> morning.
> Pedestrian ran out from between two parked cars
> almost into my front wheel.  Heavy swerve to avoid
> running into the guy.  [he was nowhere near a cross
> walk and I had a green light.]  Had the same thing 
> almost happen in Georgetown last week.  Anyone
> have any experience with the physics of 400+ lb.
> motorbike+rider hitting >200 lb. human?  Not looking
> for conscience clearing confessions here, just some
> morbid curiosity as to what could happen sooner or
> later.
> -Euan
>  whetu@XXXXXX
>  efisk@XXXXXX
> 


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--- SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote:
> > occasionally?  riiiiight.
> 
> Admittedly...he's over the top many times.  
>   
> >  i'm glad to see that someone who admittedly has no
> >  idea what is being discussed feels the need to chime
in
> >  with support for his buddy.  the more the merrier.  i 
> >  just wish you had provided ANYTHING comprehendible.
>   
> Hmmm...feeling a bit full of yourself.  That's ok....we
> expect that from lawyers.
>   
> >  > Frivolity?  Uh...actually...I'd say the tone of your
> >  > posts (As I read them) seem to lean towards
> >  > belligerent. 
> >  
> >  thank god we have you here to make sure sean doesn't
> >  get hurt!  i think sean has demonstrated the ability
to
> >  fend for himself in the past.  why not let him?
> 
> Oh...he's doing just fine.  In fact...the more
> belligerant you act....the funnier it gets for the rest.

i have yet to send a belligerent post.  you see, i'm
getting married on saturday, and i wouldn't want to take
any negative energy into that special day.  i'll be
belligerent when i return from the Carribean.



> >  as for you, i have no idea who you are or what you
> >  think you have brought to the table by jumping in.
>   
> Good point.  I'm a club racer.  That means I actually
> understand bikes, racing, and imagine this....humor.  
> Obviously you've missed the boat on all 3.

that makes perfect sense: as a club racer you understand
humor!  and i've OBVIOUSLY missed the boat on bikes, racing
and humor.  don't worry, there is no need to tell the crowd
why i've missed that boat or how i've demonstrated it. 
it's simply obvious!

i don't doubt that you understand racing and bikes.  there
probably are very few club racers who don't.  but, what the
hell that has to do with what you brought to this
particular discussion is beyond me.



> >  > Let me guess...sabers at dawn?
> >  
> >  lost again.
> 
> Why does this not surprise me.  For an 'educated
> lawyer'....you seem to be missing a few things.
>   
> >  congrats, keener.  you just succeeded in (1)
> >  contributing nothing to the discussion and (2) making 
> >  sure it continues (against the wishes of many, 
> >  including myself).
>   
> I contributed exactly what I wanted too.  It wasn't what
> YOU wanted to hear.  But I'm fine with that.

to each his own.  if it gets sean jordan's nose buried in
your ass for a couple weekends, good for you.  brian could
use the time off.



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> i have yet to send a belligerent post.  you see, i'm
>  getting married on saturday, and i wouldn't want to take
>  any negative energy into that special day.  i'll be
>  belligerent when i return from the Carribean.
  
Poor woman.  Relative of Hellen Keller?
  
>  that makes perfect sense: as a club racer you understand
>  humor!  and i've OBVIOUSLY missed the boat on bikes, racing
>  and humor.  don't worry, there is no need to tell the crowd
>  why i've missed that boat or how i've demonstrated it. 
>  it's simply obvious!

Yup.  I agree you are clueless.
  
>  i don't doubt that you understand racing and bikes.  there
>  probably are very few club racers who don't.  but, what the
>  hell that has to do with what you brought to this
>  particular discussion is beyond me.
  
Hmm...and here I thought this started over Sean's posting about racing.  
  
>  > I contributed exactly what I wanted too.  It wasn't what
>  > YOU wanted to hear.  But I'm fine with that.
>  
>  to each his own.  if it gets sean jordan's nose buried in
>  your ass for a couple weekends, good for you.  brian could
>  use the time off.

Uh...see line in sand...the one behind you.  Try not to be toooooo offensive 
in your egocentric replies.  

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>   you see, i'm
>getting married on saturday, and i wouldn't want to take
>any negative energy into that special day.  i'll be
>belligerent when i return from the Carribean.


I didn't know you were getting married!

Team Jordan Racing would like to dedicate this coming weekend's 
racing to the future Mr. and Mrs. Tom Gimer!

Mazel Tov!

Oh, yeah, Dick sends his best as well. :P

-- 
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the 
skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #230 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
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Chuck (aka Deerhunter), I think you can handle this question.  ;-)  After all, hitting a deer that jumps out in front of you is almost like hitting a human.  Roughly the same weight.  You, bike and victim would probably go splat.

Scooter

In a message dated Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:27:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Fisk, Euan" <efisk@XXXXXX> writes:

<< Started thinking about what would happen in a
motorcycle vs. pedestrian accident after I went
around Washington Cir. near GW hospital this morning.
Pedestrian ran out from between two parked cars
almost into my front wheel.  Heavy swerve to avoid
running into the guy.  [he was nowhere near a cross
walk and I had a green light.]  Had the same thing 
almost happen in Georgetown last week.  Anyone
have any experience with the physics of 400+ lb.
motorbike+rider hitting >200 lb. human?  Not looking
for conscience clearing confessions here, just some
morbid curiosity as to what could happen sooner or later.
-Euan
 whetu@XXXXXX
 efisk@XXXXXX

 >>



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In a message dated 6/12/01 12:32:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
ScooterFZR@XXXXXX writes:

> Chuck (aka Deerhunter), I think you can handle this question.  ;-)  After 
all,
>  hitting a deer that jumps out in front of you is almost like hitting a 
human.
>   Roughly the same weight.  You, bike and victim would probably go splat.

Depends on how fast, where on the deer you hit, and your luck.  They had an 
indicent about 4 years ago at Summit in practice.  Deer ran out...got hit by 
racer....and the rider didn't go down.  Deer was DOA.  Comes down to luck 
basically.  But I'd expect to be pavement surfing if it happened to me.

Keener

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--- SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote:
> 
> >  i have yet to send a belligerent post.  you see, i'm
> >  getting married on saturday, and i wouldn't want to
> >  take any negative energy into that special day.  i'll 
> >  be belligerent when i return from the Carribean.
>   
> Poor woman.  Relative of Hellen Keller?

sorry.  more like helen of troy.



> >  i don't doubt that you understand racing and bikes. 
> >  there probably are very few club racers who don't.  
> >  but, what the hell that has to do with what you 
> >  brought to this particular discussion is beyond me.
>   
> Hmm...and here I thought this started over Sean's posting
> about racing.

and you have provided SO MUCH insight during this thread
regarding that "death-defying" sport!  i'm sorry, but "i'm
a club racer" doesn't count for shit.  at the very least
you could have provided some mortality stats from summitt
point.  however, there was to be no valuable input from the
latest lurker to come out of the darkness.  pity.  :(



> >  > I contributed exactly what I wanted too.  It wasn't
> >  > what YOU wanted to hear.  But I'm fine with that.
> >  
> >  to each his own.  if it gets sean jordan's nose buried
> >  in your ass for a couple weekends, good for you. 
brian
> >  could use the time off.
> 
> Uh...see line in sand...the one behind you.  Try not to
> be toooooo offensive in your egocentric replies.

what line?  don't see one.  won't see one.

how very egocentric of me to point out that all we have
here is some guy who saw his friend getting razzed for
being full-of-it, then decided to "help out" by jumping in
with nothing to add.  i'm truly embarrassed by this display
of selfishness.

note: i am seriously fucking sick of dealing with this
stupid shit (as are others, including you?).  you and i
will of course have plenty of lovely, stimulating
discussions when i return from paradise.  until then,
please enjoy your race weekends.


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 > i have yet to send a belligerent post.  you see, i'm
 >  getting married on saturday, and i wouldn't want to take
 >  any negative energy into that special day.

Ummm, let's see (removing binary shoes from IT feet) -- that would give you
3.5 days left to resign from the bar. Assuming you've passed a bar exam,
that is.

>  i'll be belligerent when i return from the Carribean.

Oh, good. That makes it all the more likely you'll be terminated before you
breed.

-- Larry




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Well, I'm told I'll get my Falco back from Coleman / PowerRide
this Friday, after only two and a half months waiting for a new=20
radiator to arrive. Do any Aprilia owners know if this is the=20
norm for Aprilia parts? I'm pretty disgusted.

I see that Clinton Cycles is now an Aprilia dealership. Has=20
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From: Glenn Dysart <glenn_dysart@XXXXXX>
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Hmm Tom, all the lurkers are coming out of the wood
work...  who are these people we've never seen post???

Glenn

--- Dexter Medley <pltrgyst@XXXXXX> wrote:
>  > i have yet to send a belligerent post.  you see,
> i'm
>  >  getting married on saturday, and i wouldn't want
> to take
>  >  any negative energy into that special day.
> 
> Ummm, let's see (removing binary shoes from IT feet)
> -- that would give you
> 3.5 days left to resign from the bar. Assuming
> you've passed a bar exam,
> that is.
> 
> >  i'll be belligerent when i return from the
> Carribean.
> 
> Oh, good. That makes it all the more likely you'll
> be terminated before you
> breed.
> 
> -- Larry
> 
> 
> 


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I have only dealt with them on my Triumph. I guess
they are alright. John the service manager has always
been honest and willing to work with me on a lot of
things.

Trey
--- Dexter Medley <pltrgyst@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Well, I'm told I'll get my Falco back from Coleman /
> PowerRide
> this Friday, after only two and a half months
> waiting for a new 
> radiator to arrive. Do any Aprilia owners know if
> this is the 
> norm for Aprilia parts? I'm pretty disgusted.
> 
> I see that Clinton Cycles is now an Aprilia
> dealership. Has 
> anyone dealt with theie service department? Any 
> comparisons to Coleman / PowerRide?
> 
> Thanks -- Larry
> 
> 


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> sorry.  more like helen of troy.
  
1.  Great answer for a prospective husband....I'll steal that sometime.  
2.  Sure it wasn't Helen of Toy?  OK...I'll leave the inflatible jokes for 
another time.  
  
>  > Hmm...and here I thought this started over Sean's posting
>  > about racing.
>  
>  and you have provided SO MUCH insight during this thread
>  regarding that "death-defying" sport!  i'm sorry, but "i'm
>  a club racer" doesn't count for shit.  at the very least
>  you could have provided some mortality stats from summitt
>  point.  however, there was to be no valuable input from the
>  latest lurker to come out of the darkness.  pity.  :(
  
OK...since you asked.  I race in the Mid Atlantic region of the Championship 
Cup Series.  I am currently the #3 ranked expert for the region.  I also have 
AMA and FUSA pro licenses.  As for death defying....I never said that.  I 
race because I enjoy it....period.   Arethere better racers...sure...plenty 
of them  Are you a better rider....who knows.  Better yet...who cares?   
  
>  > Uh...see line in sand...the one behind you.  Try not to
>  > be toooooo offensive in your egocentric replies.
>  
>  what line?  don't see one.  won't see one.

Uh huh.  As per most e-mail hecklers....tis easy to speak and hide.  
  
>  how very egocentric of me to point out that all we have
>  here is some guy who saw his friend getting razzed for
>  being full-of-it, then decided to "help out" by jumping in
>  with nothing to add.  i'm truly embarrassed by this display
>  of selfishness.

I jumped in because you are full of yourself.  
  
>  note: i am seriously fucking sick of dealing with this
>  stupid shit (as are others, including you?).  you and i
>  will of course have plenty of lovely, stimulating
>  discussions when i return from paradise.  until then,
>  please enjoy your race weekends.

Please....play with sharks.    

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In a message dated 6/12/01 2:14:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
pltrgyst@XXXXXX writes:

> Well, I'm told I'll get my Falco back from Coleman / PowerRide
>  this Friday, after only two and a half months waiting for a new 
>  radiator to arrive. Do any Aprilia owners know if this is the 
>  norm for Aprilia parts? I'm pretty disgusted.

Can I ask what happened?  

Keener

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Chuck, since I was there, I can't speak for why people didn't show en masse,
but DC was a veritable ghost town this past weekend.  I've never seen it so
dead or traffic-free.  Everyone was at the beach or in the mountains I
guess.

You couldn't ask for a better parking set up, especially in DC, and we had
police presence for at least part of the evening.  Since it's about fifteen
blocks from my house I had no excuses for not showing up.  Thanks for
putting together another great Bike Night.  Not that I mind going to VA, but
it was nice having a Bike Night on my home turf.

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F
----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Pena <cvkgpena@XXXXXX>



> First, I want to thank everyone who came to Bike Night @ The Rock last
> Saturday.  <snip>

If it's not too much trouble, please let
> us know why you didn't come to Bike Night:
>
> 1.  Not in town that weekend (e.g., at the races, at the beach).
> 2.  Already busy with other social engagement(s) on Saturday night.
> 3.  The weather was so nice that I just kept riding and forgot all about
> Bike Night.
> 4.  Didn't want to come into DC.
> 5.  Other.
>
> Thanx!
>
> Chuck, aka Deerhunter



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--- Dexter Medley <pltrgyst@XXXXXX> wrote:
>  > i have yet to send a belligerent post.  you see, i'm
>  > getting married on saturday, and i wouldn't want to
>  > take any negative energy into that special day.
> 
> Ummm, let's see (removing binary shoes from IT feet) --
> that would give you 3.5 days left to resign from the bar.

> Assuming you've passed a bar exam, that is.

boy, the jordan-supporters certainly are a clever bunch.



> >  i'll be belligerent when i return from the Carribean.
> 
> Oh, good. That makes it all the more likely you'll be
> terminated before you breed.

i knew something was missing....it's always nice to hear
someone i've never met publicly wish for my death.

dexter/larry: motorcyclists in particular don't need the
additional negative karma (/fate) that you are bringing
upon yourself by such talk.  good luck to you.


--
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> boy, the jordan-supporters certainly are a clever bunch.

"Jordan supporter"? No, just a neutral reader who's never 
met anyone from dc-cycles. It's usually fun reading, but I'm 
not into gang mentality, and I do my racing on four wheels.

>i knew something was missing....it's always nice to hear
>someone i've never met publicly wish for my death.

Yours, in particular? Nah -- never met you, and you might 
be a perfectly nice guy away from a keyboard. Just in the 
Shakespearean sense, as in "kill all the lawyers", or Tom 
Paxton's song "10,000,000 lawyers and Other Natural 
Disasters". Actually, my best friend is an attorney, but he's
an environmental litigator and educator, generally benign. 
I try to overlook it.

>dexter/larry: motorcyclists in particular don't need the
>additional negative karma (/fate) that you are bringing
>upon yourself by such talk.  good luck to you.

Karma? Fate? Sorry, don't believe in either one.

As far as weddings go, I had one myself, a long time ago.
I think Dick Gregory had it right when he advised Sammy 
Davis on his conversion to Judaism: "Don't go. What you 
want to be segregated twice for?"

-- Larry
'01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco
'84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike)
'01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup 
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In a message dated 6/12/2001 11:27:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
efisk@XXXXXX writes:

> xperience with the physics of 400+ lb.
>  motorbike+rider hitting >200 lb. human?

I know a guy who once saw someone get his leg ripped off that way.

Big vs. Small = Small loses.

John Walters (Long John)
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Can I ask what happened?

------------------------------------

You can, but I'm not telling. It's too embarassing.

Sigh. The Aprilia is prone to false neutrals. You can see it coming, right?

I returned home about 8:30 one night, pulled next to my Miata, grabbed
neutral (light on), and started to dismount to open the garage door, without
the extra care I'd been taking at stoplights,etc.

False neutral, bike lurched about five feet. Took out three faring panels
and the right front turn signal, somehow holed the radiator (probably bashed
a corner), knocked the driver's side mirror off the car and scraped the
door, busted one panel on the garage door. Three disasters in one swell
foop. Luckily I didn't get hurt at all.

Thirty-five years of riding is no protection against one second of
carelessness. Kinda like the Texas armadillo: "75,000 years of evolution
made obsolete overnight by the invention of the Buick Roadmaster."

-- Larry
'01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco
'84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike)
'01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small
emergency backup bike)


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In a message dated 6/12/2001 11:50:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
gingerdc9@XXXXXX writes:

> I had a woman do that to me yesterday, too, in my
>  TRUCK. 

She takes her vitamins, eats low fat foods, and always obeys the law. Hell 
she is immortal.



John Walters (Long John)
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In a message dated 6/12/01 4:49:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
pltrgyst@XXXXXX writes:

> False neutral, bike lurched about five feet. Took out three faring panels
>  and the right front turn signal, somehow holed the radiator (probably 
bashed
>  a corner), knocked the driver's side mirror off the car and scraped the
>  door, busted one panel on the garage door. Three disasters in one swell
>  foop. Luckily I didn't get hurt at all.

I feel your pain.  I did something just as bad back in 1995 on my 3 week old 
GSXR750.  I forgot about the disc lock while starting out for work a bit 
late.  After nearly going over the bars...I had wrestling-fest tryign to keep 
it from falling on it's side....I lost.
  
>  Thirty-five years of riding is no protection against one second of
>  carelessness. Kinda like the Texas armadillo: "75,000 years of evolution
>  made obsolete overnight by the invention of the Buick Roadmaster."

Yup.  I gave up on disc locks....now I just keep the damn bikes in the garage.

Keener  

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--- SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote:
> 
> >  > Hmm...and here I thought this started over Sean's
> >  > posting about racing.
> >  
> >  and you have provided SO MUCH insight during this
> >  thread regarding that "death-defying" sport!  i'm 
> >  sorry, but "i'm a club racer" doesn't count for shit. 

> >  at the very least you could have provided some 
> >  mortality stats from summitt point.  however, there 
> >  was to be no valuable input from the latest lurker to 
> >  come out of the darkness.  pity.  :(
>   
> OK...since you asked.  I race in the Mid Atlantic region
> of the Championship Cup Series.  I am currently the #3 
> ranked expert for the region.  I also have AMA and FUSA 
> pro licenses.  As for death defying....I never said 
> that.  I race because I enjoy it....period.   Arethere 
> better racers...sure...plenty of them  Are you a better 
> rider....who knows.  Better yet...who cares?

at least now i know who i'm talking to.  impressive.

no, i am not a better rider.  but, i am a different type of
rider, so we are incomparable.  i choose to hang and
regularly explore with the best bunch of mofos around
(mid-atlantic, southeast, and sometimes midwest and far
north twisties).  for anyone who is interested, our group
site can be found at http://www.wsdymfg.com (i hope giving
the url out is ok, cj...it's for a good cause (to prove i'm
actually human and NOT sean jordan))



> >  > Uh...see line in sand...the one behind you.  Try not
> >  > to be toooooo offensive in your egocentric replies.
> >  
> >  what line?  don't see one.  won't see one.
> 
> Uh huh.  As per most e-mail hecklers....tis easy to speak
> and hide.  

i don't hide.  however, having various bar associations
looking over my shoulder means i also don't go searching
for the next skull to crack.....



> Please.......play with sharks.

i'm touched!  these are some of the kindest words i've
received today.



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> at least now i know who i'm talking to.  impressive.

Thanks.  Half is luck.  The other half is having better equipment.  I just 
get to ride in circles.  :)
  
>  no, i am not a better rider.  but, i am a different type of
>  rider, so we are incomparable.  i choose to hang and

Pretty much spot on.

>  regularly explore with the best bunch of mofos around
>  (mid-atlantic, southeast, and sometimes midwest and far
>  north twisties).  for anyone who is interested, our group
>  site can be found at http://www.wsdymfg.com (i hope giving
>  the url out is ok, cj...it's for a good cause (to prove i'm
>  actually human and NOT sean jordan))
  
I have problems really canyon bombing....not that I don't like to play 
somewhat.  It's just that my perceived riding limits are far higher than your 
average street rider.  (As would any roadracer's be....)  So I tend to be 
leery about riding in groups at a faster pace in the twisties.  I don't want 
a squid hitting me....nor would I like to see them try and emulate me and 
wreck.  
  
And proving Sean is human is at best difficult.  

>  > Uh huh.  As per most e-mail hecklers....tis easy to speak
>  > and hide.  
>  
>  i don't hide.  however, having various bar associations
>  looking over my shoulder means i also don't go searching
>  for the next skull to crack.....
  
And I do?  How do you know I'm not 5'2" and 125 lbs?  Would make sense with 
me being a roadracer huh?  I probably run and hide at the thought of a 
physical altercation.  Or maybe I don't.  Hmmmmmm.  :)  
  
>  > Please.......play with sharks.
>  
>  i'm touched!  these are some of the kindest words i've received today.
  
Unfortunately, since you are a lawyer....and in DC...that might actually be 
true.  

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This is good. I'm the quiet one now, Steve is the flamer, and Tom is 
flame returner. Let's see....ok, now it's Tom's turn to be quiet, 
I'll flame Steve, and he can shoot back!

Where's Jack and Squeekers?


-- 
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skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
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'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
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SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote:
> 
> And I do?  How do you know I'm not 5'2" and 125 lbs?  Would make sense with
> me being a roadracer huh?  I probably run and hide at the thought of a
> physical altercation.  Or maybe I don't.  Hmmmmmm.  :)

I hate to step in in the middle of a good argument, I enjoy the
flame wars as much as anyone, but the vision I just had of a 5'2" 
125 lb roadracer trying to run and hide from anything in a helmet
and full race leathers on just started me giggling like silly here
in the office.  Arms hanging uselessly, legs barely able to bend,
suit hanging down loose in the butt, bwWAHHAAAhaaHAHAAAA!!!  Stop
it, you are killing me (wipes tears from eyes...)  ow all my co-workers 
think I am weird.  Cut it out.  Please.  :)

Ok, back to the fireworks...

Horkster

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Number 2 - party with single women.

Larry Meyer

Chuck Pena wrote:

> First, I want to thank everyone who came to Bike Night @ The Rock last
> Saturday.  We had a great time sitting up on the roof enjoying the great
> weather and being able to look down on the parking lot with all the
> motorcycles.  It's too bad we couldn't get the racing videos up on the
> roof (WSB and 250/500 GP), but they played downstairs on the big
> screens.
>
> We had a decent size crowd, but not huge.  So I'm kind of curious as to
> why people weren't there.  It would help me and Mark to know for
> planning future Bike Nights.  If it's not too much trouble, please let
> us know why you didn't come to Bike Night:
>
> 1.  Not in town that weekend (e.g., at the races, at the beach).
> 2.  Already busy with other social engagement(s) on Saturday night.
> 3.  The weather was so nice that I just kept riding and forgot all about
> Bike Night.
> 4.  Didn't want to come into DC.
> 5.  Other.


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--- SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote:
<snip> 
 
> >  regularly explore with the best bunch of mofos
> around
> >  (mid-atlantic, southeast, and sometimes midwest
> and far
> >  north twisties).  for anyone who is interested,
> our group
> >  site can be found at http://www.wsdymfg.com (i
> hope giving
> >  the url out is ok, cj...it's for a good cause (to
> prove i'm
> >  actually human and NOT sean jordan))
>   
> I have problems really canyon bombing....not that I
> don't like to play 
> somewhat.  It's just that my perceived riding limits
> are far higher than your 
> average street rider.  (As would any roadracer's
> be....)  So I tend to be 
> leery about riding in groups at a faster pace in the
> twisties.  I don't want 
> a squid hitting me....nor would I like to see them
> try and emulate me and 
> wreck.  
>

We have real problems riding with squids too, thus the
reason we started our own group (and the reason you'll
probably never find me on a DCC ride).  We had enough
of the "public invite rides" like the ones on this
list, people showing up in shorts and T-shirts or
otherwise underdressed, trying to pass you on the
inside of a curve, and just generally no respect for
our fellow riders.  We all know how we ride and don't
put up with BS riding styles.
   
Glenn

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At 06:27 PM 6/12/01, Glenn Dysart wrote:

>We have real problems riding with squids too, thus the
>reason we started our own group (and the reason you'll
>probably never find me on a DCC ride).  We had enough
>of the "public invite rides" like the ones on this
>list, people showing up in shorts and T-shirts or
>otherwise underdressed, ...


You mean like in http://www.wsdymfg.com/images/glenn1.jpg
and http://www.wsdymfg.com/images/glenn2.jpg ? 8;)

-- Larry





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Sean is a good kid and not a bad novice racer.  His dad is also a good guy 
and he takes after him. (His dad's bike is bigger than a car with all the 
storage stuff, but I'll forgive him.)Tim is a very good street rider, I think 
I rode with him (and his mates) a few years ago and found him the best guy to 
follow on roads he knew and I didn't.   

But I have to say that the only messages I have been reading are those in 
this thread, quite fun actually.  Now we have AMA Pros joining the fray, what 
a flame fest!!

Ciao,

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Glenn,

I think most of us have problems riding with squids.  WSDYMFG does not
have a monopoly on aversion to squids.  And quite frankly, I resent the
implication that everyone on DCC or every DCC ride is a squid ride. 
WSDYMFGs Todd P. and Craig J. have come out on DCC rides I've led.  I've
not ridden with, but know and respect Zbig.  One was fun and
uneventful.  Another was not so much fun and, unfortunately, had a
couple of crashes.  But shit happens on a group ride, especially when a
large number of people show up.  I've ridden with people I know and
trust and had them crash.  I've ridden with people I don't know and had
them crash.  Hell, I've crashed!  But my experience is that I've never
been on a DCC ride where someone is "underdressed" or has ridden
completely stupid.  Maybe in the "old days" (before I joined the list,
which was only last year), but not during my short time.  So while you
may have -- in the past -- had problems with DCC rides (and Todd P. has
told me about these), please don't make statements that could be
interpreted to be blanket statements about ALL DCC rides, especially
those that are more recent.  At least I know I do my best to make sure
that people are properly dressed, know the "ride rules", don't ride
stupidly or dangerously, and ride within their limits when I offer to
lead a DCC group ride.  And like the WSDYMGs, when I'm going to go out
for some "serious fun" in the twisties, I generally just ride with
people I know and trust.

Chuck

Glenn Dysart wrote:
> 
> We have real problems riding with squids too, thus the
> reason we started our own group (and the reason you'll
> probably never find me on a DCC ride).  We had enough
> of the "public invite rides" like the ones on this
> list, people showing up in shorts and T-shirts or
> otherwise underdressed, trying to pass you on the
> inside of a curve, and just generally no respect for
> our fellow riders.  We all know how we ride and don't
> put up with BS riding styles.

-- 
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Okay, got the titles to the two bikes and looked up the values in
Motorcycle Consumer News Spring bike guide.

The `95 Yamaha Virago 750 is listed at $3405.
This one is in good shape, a few scratchs, could use fluid and filter
change in my opinion after taste-testing the oil.  *bleh*  7K + miles.
Good tires.  Took her for a test ride.  Nice cruiser, got me thru the
DMV twisty cones back in `97  when I allowed my M endorsement to lapse
and had to take the dern test.

 The Kawi 600 Eliminator is listed at $3700.
I've topped off the coolent ($10 a quart!!!) and oil, but have yet to
test ride.  Paint is rough, tail cone and front fender need help. 16K +
miles.  Good tires.

The bikes are located in my garage and can be viewed most any evening.
The above prices are suggested by MCN and negotiable.  I wouldn't sell
the Kawi for $3700 with bad paint - not and sleep at night.  ho phone
(703) 256-3115.

They're shafties, Dale !

Did I mention the lo-seat hieght for the vertically challanged?

Bill




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please don't make statements that could be
> interpreted to be blanket statements about ALL DCC rides, especially
> those that are more recent.

I absolutely agree! My slow rides, of which I had four of them, some having
almost 50 people at them, did not have a single squid in the bunch.  They
were great rides that people enjoyed a lot.  Over time, things change, and
DCC rides definitely have, because I, too, have heard about past ones.
Those that Chuck and I have organized have been good rides, and just because
people crash, doesn't make them a squid...some people just make mistakes.

Laura


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Chuck Pena wrote:
> 
> Glenn,
> 
> I think most of us have problems riding with squids.  WSDYMFG does not
> have a monopoly on aversion to squids.  And quite frankly, I resent the
> implication that everyone on DCC or every DCC ride is a squid ride.

Thanks, Chuck.  You took the words right out of my mouth.  I was sitting
down to write a very similar piece.  I take exception to the insinuation
that everyone is an idiot or a squid until proven otherwise.  I too
usually ride with a small cadre of people, but I went on one of Laura's
relaxed rides and found it very enjoyable.  If anyone was squidly or
under-dressed it certainly escaped my attention.  

Unfortunately this thread seems to a recurring theme, along with the
inevitable "I told you so" post when someone does go down on a group
ride.  

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F


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Got my first parking ticket today.  I park over by Old Ebbitt Grill at =
15th and G St. NW.  However, today I was a little late getting there, =
and usually about 4-5 more bikes spill out of the designated area =
between the signs.  So I didn't think it would be a big deal to park =
with those bikes.  When I got off work, all the overflow bikes were gone =
but there was a ticket on the seat.  I am sure the others got tickets =
too, since the infraction occurred at 2pm.

Anybody else ever get a ticket there?

What will happen if I don't pay the $50?  I have TX plates and I haven't =
even traded in my TX driver's license yet.  Will they throw me in =
parking fine jail when I finally go to get my registration?  (I don't =
exist over here yet!)

Cliff
'93 CB750

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Sean aka Yanker, aka Gimer and who knows who else at this point
contributed:

This is good. I'm the quiet one now

		WHOA.  There's a turnabout ;-)

, Steve is the flamer, and Tom is
flame returner. Let's see....ok, now it's Tom's turn to be quiet,
I'll flame Steve, and he can shoot back!

		No.  PLEASE.  Make it stop.



Where's Jack and Squeekers?


		Anker, you got a l o n g  way to go to measure up to squeakers !

		Now, how's  about a less controversial topic...  countersteering
anyone?




Dave Yates
'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
'97 Cobra #5148
http://www.radix.net/~sdave/




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Got my first parking ticket today.  I park over by Old Ebbitt Grill at
15th and G St. NW.  However, today I was a little late getting there,
and usually about 4-5 more bikes spill out of the designated area
between the signs.  So I didn't think it would be a big deal to park
with those bikes.  When I got off work, all the overflow bikes were gone
but there was a ticket on the seat.  I am sure the others got tickets
too, since the infraction occurred at 2pm.

Anybody else ever get a ticket there?


                        FreakinM-^R DC.  They canM-^Rt solve 75% of the
homicides, but they get 90% of the parking violationsM-^E

As for your dilemma.  IM-^Rve *heard* that there are many out there with
multiple unpaid DC parking infractions from out of state.  IM-^Rve also
heard that after 3 you get the boot (not sure what they do to bikes).  I
M-^Rve similarly heard that since the meter maids generally arenM-^Rt
concerned about anything but fulfilling their quota, your tags almost
never get run.  It USED to be by vehicle so that if your car was
ticketed several times, you could simply drive another vehicle and not
worry, but that was a while ago. If youM-^Rre planning on registering in
DC, youM-^Rre going to have to ante up or theyM-^Rll withhold your
registration(s).





Dave Yates
'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
'97 Cobra #5148
http://www.radix.net/~sdave/



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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Got my
first parking ticket today.&nbsp; I park over by Old Ebbitt Grill at =
15th and G
St. NW.&nbsp; However, today I was a little late getting there, and =
usually
about 4-5 more bikes spill out of the designated area between the =
signs.&nbsp;
So I didn't think it would be a big deal to park with those bikes.&nbsp; =
When I
got off work, all the overflow bikes were gone but there was a ticket on =
the
seat.&nbsp;&nbsp;I am sure&nbsp;the others&nbsp;got tickets too, since =
the
infraction occurred at 2pm.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
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color=3Dblack
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Anybody
else ever get a ticket there?</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
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there with
multiple unpaid DC parking infractions from out of state.<span
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span>I&#8217;ve also heard that =
after 3 you get
the boot (not sure what they do to bikes).<span style=3D"mso-spacerun:
yes">&nbsp; </span>I&#8217;ve similarly heard that since the meter maids =
generally
aren&#8217;t concerned about anything but fulfilling their quota, your =
tags almost
never get run.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span>It USED to =
be by
vehicle so that if your car was ticketed several times, you could simply =
drive
another vehicle and not worry, but that was a while ago. If you&#8217;re =
planning on
registering in DC, you&#8217;re going to have to ante up or =
they&#8217;ll withhold your
registration(s). <span style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
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I'll be registering in VA.  I paid the great state of Texas registration =
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I'll be registering in VA.  I paid the great state of Texas registration
fees all the way up to January, and I'll be damned if I am going to get
screwed by 2 states at once.  I plan on sticking to my TX
plates/license/guns as long as they'll let me.


                        I donM-^Rt know how fancy DC is now about
collecting.  People used to scoff at dc parking tickets with impunity.
Like I said.  IM-^Rve heard itM-^Rs possible to not pay M-^E  I guess it depends
on how much in town driving you plan on doingM-^E




Dave Yates
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From: Glenn Dysart <glenn_dysart@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news!
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Well Larry since you bring up that picture, it was in
front of the person's house we were working on the
bike... since it was in bad running order.  As anyone
who's been on this this list long enough (not you of
course) who's ridin with me, I don't go on group rides
like that...

Glenn


--- Larry Larson <llarson@XXXXXX> wrote:
> At 06:27 PM 6/12/01, Glenn Dysart wrote:
> 
> >We have real problems riding with squids too, thus
> the
> >reason we started our own group (and the reason
> you'll
> >probably never find me on a DCC ride).  We had
> enough
> >of the "public invite rides" like the ones on this
> >list, people showing up in shorts and T-shirts or
> >otherwise underdressed, ...
> 
> 
> You mean like in
> http://www.wsdymfg.com/images/glenn1.jpg
> and http://www.wsdymfg.com/images/glenn2.jpg ? 8;)
> 
> -- Larry
> 
> 
> 
> 


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>>I'm rather sunburned to a crisp but I just finished
up my first ever 
>>Cycle Sport Track Day. I spectated the event last
September and promised 
>>myself to attend this time around.


Ahh man! I knew I should have called in sick that day!
:)

Anyone going to be at any of the July NESBA track days
@ VIR? 

-jeff

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I guess you right Chuck that not all DCC rides have
crashes, seems the ones you have taken people on have
been pretty successful but for a while there it was at
least one crash per ride if not more.  In other words,
the odds are not good for the age of the list per
rides.  Its the typical attitude of "I'm not a slow
rider so I must get in the fast group" mentality I
have a problem with.  Again, not that everyone on the
list has it, but over the years I've been on this this
I've seen happen more times then I have fingers or
toes to count.

Glenn


--- Chuck Pena <cvkgpena@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Glenn,
> 
> I think most of us have problems riding with squids.
>  WSDYMFG does not
> have a monopoly on aversion to squids.  And quite
> frankly, I resent the
> implication that everyone on DCC or every DCC ride
> is a squid ride. 
> WSDYMFGs Todd P. and Craig J. have come out on DCC
> rides I've led.  I've
> not ridden with, but know and respect Zbig.  One was
> fun and
> uneventful.  Another was not so much fun and,
> unfortunately, had a
> couple of crashes.  But shit happens on a group
> ride, especially when a
> large number of people show up.  I've ridden with
> people I know and
> trust and had them crash.  I've ridden with people I
> don't know and had
> them crash.  Hell, I've crashed!  But my experience
> is that I've never
> been on a DCC ride where someone is "underdressed"
> or has ridden
> completely stupid.  Maybe in the "old days" (before
> I joined the list,
> which was only last year), but not during my short
> time.  So while you
> may have -- in the past -- had problems with DCC
> rides (and Todd P. has
> told me about these), please don't make statements
> that could be
> interpreted to be blanket statements about ALL DCC
> rides, especially
> those that are more recent.  At least I know I do my
> best to make sure
> that people are properly dressed, know the "ride
> rules", don't ride
> stupidly or dangerously, and ride within their
> limits when I offer to
> lead a DCC group ride.  And like the WSDYMGs, when
> I'm going to go out
> for some "serious fun" in the twisties, I generally
> just ride with
> people I know and trust.


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So hopefully you know the deal the "deal" with DC
tickets, right?  Meaning, never pay them!  After you
get the third get new license plates and you'll never
be on their "hot list" for boots. So how do they boot
a motorcycle anyway, do they just tow it?

Glenn

--- Dave Yates <sdave@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Got my first parking ticket today.  I park over by
> Old Ebbitt Grill at
> 15th and G St. NW.  However, today I was a little
> late getting there,
> and usually about 4-5 more bikes spill out of the
> designated area
> between the signs.  So I didn't think it would be a
> big deal to park
> with those bikes.  When I got off work, all the
> overflow bikes were gone
> but there was a ticket on the seat.  I am sure the
> others got tickets
> too, since the infraction occurred at 2pm.
> 
> Anybody else ever get a ticket there?
> 
> 
>                         FreakinM-^R DC.  They canM-^Rt
> solve 75% of the
> homicides, but they get 90% of the parking
> violationsM-^E
> 
> As for your dilemma.  IM-^Rve *heard* that there are
> many out there with
> multiple unpaid DC parking infractions from out of
> state.  IM-^Rve also
> heard that after 3 you get the boot (not sure what
> they do to bikes).  I
> M-^Rve similarly heard that since the meter maids
> generally arenM-^Rt
> concerned about anything but fulfilling their quota,
> your tags almost
> never get run.  It USED to be by vehicle so that if
> your car was
> ticketed several times, you could simply drive
> another vehicle and not
> worry, but that was a while ago. If youM-^Rre planning
> on registering in
> DC, youM-^Rre going to have to ante up or theyM-^Rll
> withhold your
> registration(s).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dave Yates
> '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
> '97 Cobra #5148
> http://www.radix.net/~sdave/
> 
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S'ok by me, Glenn -- note the smiley in my post. It
looked like an older picture on an older naked bike
than the other pix.

Truth told, when it's oppressively hot, I ride my
little 2+ mile commute from Old Town Alexandria
to Crystal City in work clothes, pull-on boots,
helmet, and gloves only.

-- Larry

At 11:15 PM 6/12/01, you wrote:
>Well Larry since you bring up that picture, it was in
>front of the person's house we were working on the
>bike... since it was in bad running order.  As anyone
>who's been on this this list long enough (not you of
>course) who's ridin with me, I don't go on group rides
>like that...
>
>Glenn
>
>
>--- Larry Larson <llarson@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > At 06:27 PM 6/12/01, Glenn Dysart wrote:
> >
> > >We have real problems riding with squids too, thus
> > the
> > >reason we started our own group (and the reason
> > you'll
> > >probably never find me on a DCC ride).  We had
> > enough
> > >of the "public invite rides" like the ones on this
> > >list, people showing up in shorts and T-shirts or
> > >otherwise underdressed, ...
> >
> >
> > You mean like in
> > http://www.wsdymfg.com/images/glenn1.jpg
> > and http://www.wsdymfg.com/images/glenn2.jpg ? 8;)
> >
> > -- Larry
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Laura, I have no problem with people making mistakes,
hell people do that every day.  Its the ones that
can't accept the fact they are new to the sport or who
have never ridden in a fast pace on the street and
insist on having to ride with a fast group (when the
ride splits into several groups) and then they get in
over there head that I have a problem with.  If I
remember correctly most of your rides were intended as
"easy going" so no problems should have been
encountered as you didn't have a fast group.

Maybe things have changed, when was the last time DCC
even did a ride though?  Maybe I'm just spoiled
because I ride with a group of people who I am similar
with, don't mind doing 500 or 600 miles days, are more
into exploration then sitting around at a race track
all day (not that sitting around at a race track is a
bad thing, its just not the way I want to spend my
weekends) and don't have to worry any of them doing
crazy stunts when I'm trying to have a good time...

I guess what I'm trying to say is that anytime you
invite the public (or people you've never ridden with)
you never know what your getting yourself into.  Sure
you could have a great time with people you've never
met and have a great ride, but in my experience those
rides don't always lead to fun, they have led to get
offs more times then not.  I'll spend my time meeting
new riders at the bike nights where there is no
pressure.  I didn't make the one last weekend but I
did make the Carpool one and plan to make others.

Glenn
--- Laura Granato <lgranato@XXXXXX> wrote:
> please don't make statements that could be
> > interpreted to be blanket statements about ALL DCC
> rides, especially
> > those that are more recent.
> 
> I absolutely agree! My slow rides, of which I had
> four of them, some having
> almost 50 people at them, did not have a single
> squid in the bunch.  They
> were great rides that people enjoyed a lot.  Over
> time, things change, and
> DCC rides definitely have, because I, too, have
> heard about past ones.
> Those that Chuck and I have organized have been good
> rides, and just because
> people crash, doesn't make them a squid...some
> people just make mistakes.
> 
> Laura
> 


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Sure, I understand.  I made my mistakes in the dirt
when I was about 14.  Burned my leg pretty good on the
exhaust of an 1974 XL250 as I didn't want to let the
bike fall in the mud since it belonged to a friend of
mine!  When I first started street riding I only had
some hightop shoes, jeans and a leather jacket.  At 18
it was tough to afford full gear on that part time
salary.  Now that I have good gear, I feel naked even
riding riding up to the gas station less then 1/2 mile
away! 

To be honest with you, the pic you saw was at Todd's
house not too long ago when we were trying to fix the
carbs on the ex-Horkster KZ400 which my girlfriend now
owns as it was her first bike.  I might add it runs
like a top now and might be up for sale if friends
keep backing out.

I do see your point though that riding two miles in
town at a leisurely pace its hard to put all that gear
on.  I guess for me I wouldn't bother braking out the
bike for only two miles as that would be a tease for
me.

Glenn

--- Larry Larson <llarson@XXXXXX> wrote:
> S'ok by me, Glenn -- note the smiley in my post. It
> looked like an older picture on an older naked bike
> than the other pix.
> 
> Truth told, when it's oppressively hot, I ride my
> little 2+ mile commute from Old Town Alexandria
> to Crystal City in work clothes, pull-on boots,
> helmet, and gloves only.
> 
> -- Larry
> 
> At 11:15 PM 6/12/01, you wrote:
> >Well Larry since you bring up that picture, it was
> in
> >front of the person's house we were working on the
> >bike... since it was in bad running order.  As
> anyone
> >who's been on this this list long enough (not you
> of
> >course) who's ridin with me, I don't go on group
> rides
> >like that...
> >
> >Glenn
> >
> >
> >--- Larry Larson <llarson@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > > At 06:27 PM 6/12/01, Glenn Dysart wrote:
> > >
> > > >We have real problems riding with squids too,
> thus
> > > the
> > > >reason we started our own group (and the reason
> > > you'll
> > > >probably never find me on a DCC ride).  We had
> > > enough
> > > >of the "public invite rides" like the ones on
> this
> > > >list, people showing up in shorts and T-shirts
> or
> > > >otherwise underdressed, ...
> > >
> > >
> > > You mean like in
> > > http://www.wsdymfg.com/images/glenn1.jpg
> > > and http://www.wsdymfg.com/images/glenn2.jpg ?
> 8;)
> > >
> > > -- Larry
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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So hopefully you know the deal the "deal" with DC
tickets, right?

		Nope.  I've only *heard* it was that way.

  Meaning, never pay them!  After you
get the third get new license plates and you'll never
be on their "hot list" for boots. So how do they boot
a motorcycle anyway, do they just tow it?

		GFQ.  



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*snip
>Got my first parking ticket today.  I park over by Old Ebbitt Grill

Cliff, I also park there at 15th and G st, and I also did get a ticket 
yesterday.  I am not sure what is going on, but what I do know is that I 
plan on getting here earlier to make sure that I get a spot, and if not I am 
going to try and park over at McPherson park (15th and I st NW) there is 
similar parking over there.  If that is also filled I'm heading to a garage, 
it's simply not worth the $50 risk.

FYI:
I also saw that on the news this morning that DC is now allowing people to 
pay back tickets with no penalties up through some time in October, if I 
remember correctly (not that people seem to want to pay their parking 
tickets anyway).  But the catch is that the ticket has to be prior to some 
time around 1997.

Mike
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I love it!

You two guys going at each other has been highly entertaining (at least for 
me), and I thank you both.

IMO this list needs a good shit-stir every now and then.  It has been 
fascinating to see all the woodwork shake loose in the past few days as 
well.

Someone was complaining that they are on digest and had to sift through all 
the flames or just toss it.  I find I'm tossing the digest more often for 
the opposite reason.  Aack, ptooey on any more stinking tire/oil/best this 
or that thread.

Here's an excellent website that was posted to this list originally by Hugh 
Caldwell.  It is quite appropriate now don't you think?

http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html

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I am amazed.  My visit to the DMV at Shirlington was totally painless
and rather swift.  I had to obtain 6, yes SIX duplicate titles for a
variety of vehicles owned by my late friend.  I was expecting a major
PITA.  But I filled out the short forms and showed the lady my papers
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VA DMV - five star rating

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Forgive me if this question is out of line, but I am brand new to the DCC
List (Been lurking for a couple days) and new to Motorcycling in general. I
have owned my first bike for exactly 1 week today so please bare with me.

What is a Squid?

Pete Wimer
'01 Suzuki Savage
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-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news!


Glenn,

I think most of us have problems riding with squids.  WSDYMFG does not
have a monopoly on aversion to squids.  And quite frankly, I resent the
implication that everyone on DCC or every DCC ride is a squid ride. 
WSDYMFGs Todd P. and Craig J. have come out on DCC rides I've led.  I've
not ridden with, but know and respect Zbig.  One was fun and
uneventful.  Another was not so much fun and, unfortunately, had a
couple of crashes.  But shit happens on a group ride, especially when a
large number of people show up.  I've ridden with people I know and
trust and had them crash.  I've ridden with people I don't know and had
them crash.  Hell, I've crashed!  But my experience is that I've never
been on a DCC ride where someone is "underdressed" or has ridden
completely stupid.  Maybe in the "old days" (before I joined the list,
which was only last year), but not during my short time.  So while you
may have -- in the past -- had problems with DCC rides (and Todd P. has
told me about these), please don't make statements that could be
interpreted to be blanket statements about ALL DCC rides, especially
those that are more recent.  At least I know I do my best to make sure
that people are properly dressed, know the "ride rules", don't ride
stupidly or dangerously, and ride within their limits when I offer to
lead a DCC group ride.  And like the WSDYMGs, when I'm going to go out
for some "serious fun" in the twisties, I generally just ride with
people I know and trust.

Chuck

Glenn Dysart wrote:
> 
> We have real problems riding with squids too, thus the
> reason we started our own group (and the reason you'll
> probably never find me on a DCC ride).  We had enough
> of the "public invite rides" like the ones on this
> list, people showing up in shorts and T-shirts or
> otherwise underdressed, trying to pass you on the
> inside of a curve, and just generally no respect for
> our fellow riders.  We all know how we ride and don't
> put up with BS riding styles.

-- 
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>   Meaning, never pay them!  After you
> get the third get new license plates and you'll never
> be on their "hot list" for boots. So how do they boot
> a motorcycle anyway, do they just tow it?

At GWU, they used something that looked like a large, bright yellow Kryptonite
lock through the wheels.  The bike wasn't going anywhere. 

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This is like deja vu all over again -- didn't we discuss this a couple years
ago?

Anyway, the GWU MC parking lot (I used to park there, too) was policed by GW
authorities, not the city.  One would think that any old disk lock would be
enough to disable a motorcycle, no?  I guess we shouldn't give the parking
police any ideas . . . 

Erik

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>   Meaning, never pay them!  After you
> get the third get new license plates and you'll never
> be on their "hot list" for boots. So how do they boot
> a motorcycle anyway, do they just tow it?

At GWU, they used something that looked like a large, bright yellow
Kryptonite
lock through the wheels.  The bike wasn't going anywhere. 

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--- eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote:
> This is like deja vu all over again -- didn't we discuss this a couple years
> ago?

True, but most of the threads that pop up on DC-Cycles are recycled.  According
to my calendar, next week someone is supposed to ask about dino vs. synthetic
oil.  July we start talking about side stands sinking into hot asphalt,
although with the 90 degree temps, that may be moved up.
 
> Anyway, the GWU MC parking lot (I used to park there, too) was policed by GW
> authorities, not the city.  One would think that any old disk lock would be
> enough to disable a motorcycle, no?  I guess we shouldn't give the parking
> police any ideas . . . 

True, I was just trying to point out that it doesn't take much to boot a bike. 
Heck, two feet of chain and a padlock will do the trick.  If the parking police
are reading this though, then everything I just said was a joke, it's
impossible to boot a bike.  Sorry.  ;-)

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>What is a Squid?

Hi Pete,

Welcome to the list and motorcycling in general.

The generally accepted definition is that squid is a bastardization of 
"squirrelly kid"; i.e. a person who rides with little or no discipline.

They also tend to ride like calamari swim - fast in straight lines, but 
almost no cornering capability.

The mode of dress can also be an indicator - t-shirt, cutoffs, sneakers (or 
flip-flops) and a $500 repli-racer helmet are fairly good indicators.

Generally, someone who acts irresponsibly on a motorcycle - almost always a 
sport bike, sometimes a standard, and almost never a cruiser.

On your Savage, you're safe from the appelation, although I've seen some very 
nice cafe racers based on the Savage...

Michael J.

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That amnesty program is for minor moving violations only.  The logic of that
escapes me.  Whatever.  Bottom line is that there's $45 million in unpaid
tickets outstanding and they're trying to recover part of it.

Here's the deal on the tickets.  If you're have a non-DC registration
basically they can't touch you unless your vehicle is physically in DC.  If
it's in the city and they spot your vehicle, they can boot and tow.  If it's
in VA, MD, etc., there's nothing they can do.

Different story if your vehicles are registered in DC.  Eventually any
transactions through DMV (license and registration renewals, parking
stickers, inspections, etc.) will be blocked until you pay up.


Paul in DC
95 VFR750F
http://users.erols.com/pawilson
----- Original Message -----
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>
> FYI:
> I also saw that on the news this morning that DC is now allowing people to
> pay back tickets with no penalties up through some time in October, if I
> remember correctly (not that people seem to want to pay their parking
> tickets anyway).  But the catch is that the ticket has to be prior to some
> time around 1997.
>
> Mike
> 2000 Bandit 600



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This is AWESOME!!  I can think of examples of every one of 'em on this
list!!

Thanks Todd-Ennui

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I love it!

You two guys going at each other has been highly entertaining (at least for 
me), and I thank you both.

IMO this list needs a good shit-stir every now and then.  It has been 
fascinating to see all the woodwork shake loose in the past few days as 
well.

Someone was complaining that they are on digest and had to sift through all 
the flames or just toss it.  I find I'm tossing the digest more often for 
the opposite reason.  Aack, ptooey on any more stinking tire/oil/best this 
or that thread.

Here's an excellent website that was posted to this list originally by Hugh 
Caldwell.  It is quite appropriate now don't you think?

http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html

Todd (Springfield, VA)

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DC does have some recourse if you are out of town. 
They send these official looking collection notices. 
I am not sure if they really are collection notices or
not, or if failure to pay goes on your credit record. 
I simply ignore them, as the car is long gone.


Mark

--- Paul Wilson <pawilson@XXXXXX> wrote:
> That amnesty program is for minor moving violations
> only.  The logic of that
> escapes me.  Whatever.  Bottom line is that there's
> $45 million in unpaid
> tickets outstanding and they're trying to recover
> part of it.
> 
> Here's the deal on the tickets.  If you're have a
> non-DC registration
> basically they can't touch you unless your vehicle
> is physically in DC.  If
> it's in the city and they spot your vehicle, they
> can boot and tow.  If it's
> in VA, MD, etc., there's nothing they can do.
> 
> Different story if your vehicles are registered in
> DC.  Eventually any
> transactions through DMV (license and registration
> renewals, parking
> stickers, inspections, etc.) will be blocked until
> you pay up.
> 
> 
> Paul in DC
> 95 VFR750F
> http://users.erols.com/pawilson
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: michael brocchi <mbrocchi@XXXXXX>
> >
> > FYI:
> > I also saw that on the news this morning that DC
> is now allowing people to
> > pay back tickets with no penalties up through some
> time in October, if I
> > remember correctly (not that people seem to want
> to pay their parking
> > tickets anyway).  But the catch is that the ticket
> has to be prior to some
> > time around 1997.
> >
> > Mike
> > 2000 Bandit 600
> 
> 


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> Forgive me if this question is out of line, but I am brand new to the DCC
> List (Been lurking for a couple days) and new to Motorcycling in general.
I
> have owned my first bike for exactly 1 week today so please bare with me.

Pete

First things first...welcome to motorcycling and to DCC...hope you enjoy
your stay.  Second, EVERY QUESTION IS OUT OF LINE!!!  (requisite flame,
sorry)

> What is a Squid?

Squid: skw - id (n.)

1) Any of various marine cephalopod mollusks of the genus Loligo and related
genera, having a usually elongated body, ten arms surrounding the mouth, a
vestigial internal shell, and a pair of triangular or rounded fins.

2) A bipedal mammal (generally human), found on or off a motorcycle, though
always in close proximity to, or talking about said motorcycle.  Motorcycle
is most commonly of the supersport (600 cc sportbike) class, though there
has been a rash of squidious beemerfile recently [2 spotted in the last
week! what's up with that?].  Motorcycle usually has scratches and damage
associated with it's squid operator.  Generally has little training in, or
knowlege of operation of motorcycle.  OTS (open throttle syndrome) is common
among squids, often resulting in Wheelious Maximus or Tire Burnitis.  High
speeds are common in straight lines, though the ability to turn often does
not develop until very late into a squids life (if at all).  Squids tend to
lack a gene necessary for self preservation.  This makes the common squid
easy to spot.  Experienced squid watchers will tell you that the t-shirt and
shorts, often accompanied by sneakers (though flip flops are not uncommon),
is the most common covering.  Oddly though, squids will spend excessive
amounts of money on head coverings that emulate the rarer and much more
elusive Professional Racer.  This may be a camouflage technique, though it
is not an effective one.  WARNING: squids are dangerous creatures.  Riding
is unsafe, and they posses little regard for their safety or the safety of
others.  Many consider themselves to be invincible.  Crashing of the lowside
variety is a common occurrence, and they can take out other riders as well.
Advise observation from a safe distance.  Temporary Squidishness has also
been found to be highly contagious, especially among young male riders.
Life expectancy of the common squid is quite short.




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Never a cruiser?  So what word is used for the types that

1.  Begin midlife crisis
2.  Buy coolest-looking cruiser they can afford, esp. hardley
3.  Grow facial hair to extent permitted by employer (including women)
4.  Purchase as much leather as possible without succumbing to actual
protection, i.e. chaps, vest, tassels
5.  Purchase beanie helmet in states w/ helmet laws; scoff at helmets
altogether in non-law states
6.  Park bike at local hangout, stand next to it in order to be seen lots
7.  Get drunk
8.  Crash trying to get home

Matt L'enfant Provocateur 



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 8:58 AM
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
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>What is a Squid?

Hi Pete,

Welcome to the list and motorcycling in general.

The generally accepted definition is that squid is a bastardization of 
"squirrelly kid"; i.e. a person who rides with little or no discipline.

They also tend to ride like calamari swim - fast in straight lines, but 
almost no cornering capability.

The mode of dress can also be an indicator - t-shirt, cutoffs, sneakers (or 
flip-flops) and a $500 repli-racer helmet are fairly good indicators.

Generally, someone who acts irresponsibly on a motorcycle - almost always a 
sport bike, sometimes a standard, and almost never a cruiser.

On your Savage, you're safe from the appelation, although I've seen some
very 
nice cafe racers based on the Savage...

Michael J.

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From: "Fisk, Euan" <efisk@XXXXXX>
To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Bike vs. Pedestrian accidents?
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:25:43 -0400

Started thinking about what would happen in a
Started thinking about what would happen in a
motorcycle vs. pedestrian accident after I went
around Washington Cir. near GW hospital this morning.
Pedestrian ran out from between two parked cars
almost into my front wheel.  Heavy swerve to avoid
<snip>

Co-workers sister was hit by a motorcycle.  I don't know the full details
except that her leg was torn up and broken.  I do know that she is both
deaf and mute.  Might not have heard the bike coming?  I know she spent at
least a few days in the hospital.

I deal with pedestians crossing against the light every single morning on
my way to work.  It's bad enough that the intersection I have the most
problems with is very close to the Bethesda Metro.  Lots of cars making
the oncoming left seem to forget that I have the right-of-way to go
straight through the intersection.  Lots of mini-van dropping the husband
off at the metro and mom is still half asleep.  The pedestrians like to
wait on the corner deciding if they should go or not.  They usually wait
until I have the green light and they have the don't walk sign to start
crossing.  

One morning I saw a woman who grew up across the street from my husband. 
She was debating weather or not to cross on the don't walk.  She finally
decided to go right as I got the green light.  The hesitation combined
with the fact that she was having great difficulty walking in tall
platform shoes.  Right as she teetered and tottered in front of my bike as
I am missing the green light I opened my visor part way and yelled "HEY
BECKY, GET YOUR FAT ASS OUT OF THE ROAD" She just about jumped out of her
skin.  I closed my visor and rode last two blocks to work. Laughed the
whole day on that one. 

Lisa
'95 VFR



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1) Poseur
2) Dumbass
3) Darwin-in-action
4) All of the above

t0dd

--- "Pflieger, Matthew M." <MATTHEW.M.PFLIEGER@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Never a cruiser?  So what word is used for the types that
> 
> 1.  Begin midlife crisis
> 2.  Buy coolest-looking cruiser they can afford, esp. hardley
> 3.  Grow facial hair to extent permitted by employer (including
> women)
> 4.  Purchase as much leather as possible without succumbing to actual
> protection, i.e. chaps, vest, tassels
> 5.  Purchase beanie helmet in states w/ helmet laws; scoff at helmets
> altogether in non-law states
> 6.  Park bike at local hangout, stand next to it in order to be seen
> lots
> 7.  Get drunk
> 8.  Crash trying to get home
> 
> Matt L'enfant Provocateur 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MJordan666@XXXXXX [mailto:MJordan666@XXXXXX]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 8:58 AM
> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> Subject: Re: Squids?
> 
> 
> >What is a Squid?
> 
> Hi Pete,
> 
> Welcome to the list and motorcycling in general.
> 
> The generally accepted definition is that squid is a bastardization
> of 
> "squirrelly kid"; i.e. a person who rides with little or no
> discipline.
> 
> They also tend to ride like calamari swim - fast in straight lines,
> but 
> almost no cornering capability.
> 
> The mode of dress can also be an indicator - t-shirt, cutoffs,
> sneakers (or 
> flip-flops) and a $500 repli-racer helmet are fairly good indicators.
> 
> Generally, someone who acts irresponsibly on a motorcycle - almost
> always a 
> sport bike, sometimes a standard, and almost never a cruiser.
> 
> On your Savage, you're safe from the appelation, although I've seen
> some
> very 
> nice cafe racers based on the Savage...
> 
> Michael J.


=====
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`83 V65 Magna - Falcon  
`80 CX-500C

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> Never a cruiser?  So what word is used for the types that
>
> 1.  Begin midlife crisis
> 2.  Buy coolest-looking cruiser they can afford, esp. hardley
> 3.  Grow facial hair to extent permitted by employer (including women)
> 4.  Purchase as much leather as possible without succumbing to actual
> protection, i.e. chaps, vest, tassels
> 5.  Purchase beanie helmet in states w/ helmet laws; scoff at helmets
> altogether in non-law states
> 6.  Park bike at local hangout, stand next to it in order to be seen lots
> 7.  Get drunk
> 8.  Crash trying to get home

These guys are called RUBS (Rich Urban Bikers...some people add "scum" on
the end).  Though I generally call them dumbasses.  They can be even more
dangerous than squids because squids normally have a desire to learn bike
handling, these people do not.  Also, squids rarely drink and ride.


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>Never a cruiser?  So what word is used for the types that

This here's a FAMILY list, Matthew.

Ladies present, fer god's sake!

Cain't be using them words here...

Michael J.

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This reminds me of a time I was out at Cycle Sucks in Herndon.  A guy was in
there with his wife and her friend. I over heard her telling him how cool
he'd be with a cruiser (think a Royal Star).  After a few minutes she had
talked him into getting it.  Pass an hour or so (waiting for some service I
was having done, which by the way I had to redo myself).  Couple is now
outside, dealer is explaing controls to him (this is the clutch, this is the
brake....) Wife is sitting in expedition talking on cell phone.  Husband,
who has just bought a BRAND NEW bike has the expression of fear on his face.
No smile, no twinkle in his eye, just fear.  

Not a true squid, as the wife was the squid (or maybe she wanted to cash in
on the life insurance).  I left before he made it out of the parking lot (if
he did).

David G.
'00 Sprint RS (yellow)
Fredericksburg, Va.  USA



-----Original Message-----
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Never a cruiser?  So what word is used for the types that

1.  Begin midlife crisis
2.  Buy coolest-looking cruiser they can afford, esp. hardley
3.  Grow facial hair to extent permitted by employer (including women)
4.  Purchase as much leather as possible without succumbing to actual
protection, i.e. chaps, vest, tassels
5.  Purchase beanie helmet in states w/ helmet laws; scoff at helmets
altogether in non-law states
6.  Park bike at local hangout, stand next to it in order to be seen lots
7.  Get drunk
8.  Crash trying to get home

Matt L'enfant Provocateur 



-----Original Message-----
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To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
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>What is a Squid?

Hi Pete,

Welcome to the list and motorcycling in general.

The generally accepted definition is that squid is a bastardization of 
"squirrelly kid"; i.e. a person who rides with little or no discipline.

They also tend to ride like calamari swim - fast in straight lines, but 
almost no cornering capability.

The mode of dress can also be an indicator - t-shirt, cutoffs, sneakers (or 
flip-flops) and a $500 repli-racer helmet are fairly good indicators.

Generally, someone who acts irresponsibly on a motorcycle - almost always a 
sport bike, sometimes a standard, and almost never a cruiser.

On your Savage, you're safe from the appelation, although I've seen some
very 
nice cafe racers based on the Savage...

Michael J.

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...most of the threads that pop up on DC-Cycles are recycled.  
According
> to my calendar, next week someone is supposed to ask about dino vs. 
synthetic
> oil.  July we start talking about side stands sinking into hot 
asphalt,
> although with the 90 degree temps, that may be moved up.

  I show last week of July, we're supposed to discuss rear brakes 
again.  This quarter's discussion promises to be even more riveting 
than the last with the addition of power ABS to the new Beemers...
Also, mid July, someone is scheduled to bring up the 'which tires 
should I get?' thread. 




> True, I was just trying to point out that it doesn't take much to 
boot a bike.

  Doesn't take much to pick up that booted bike either, so that you 
can remove that boot (I've *heard* a good cutting torch works) in the 
comfort of your garage... 


> Heck, two feet of chain and a padlock will do the trick.  


  Heck, 2 DCC LM's & a pickup solves that problem ;-)


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Glenn,

I think we're basically all agreeing but coming at it from different
perspectives.  For sure, large group rides with folks who have never
ridden together before can be a potential problem.  Laura has been
pretty successful with her "relaxed ride" recipe.  Seems like the people
who come out and do those rides want to cruise rather than hoon.  I
think most of the real problems result when you have a large gathering
of sportbikers.  Peoples' egos get in the way and more people seem to
have the need to "prove something" by trying to ride fast.  That's when
folks tend to ride over their heads, outside of their comfort
level/ability limits, and faster than they're really capable of riding. 
I know that's happened on rides I've led/been on.  And I'm not quite
sure what you can do to 100% prevent that from happening.  Sure, you
tell everyone to ride smart and safe.  And as the ride leader, you try
to set the right example.  But it's hard to police self-restraint and
good judgement!

As I said before, I tend to reserve my "fast" sportbiking for riding
with friends I know and trust (just as you and the WSDYMFGs do). 
Doesn't necessarily mean we're all the same in terms of riding ability,
but that we all know that no one is going to stupid and/or unsafe.  Yet,
I wouldn't have met a lot of these folks without having first ridden
with them on a so-called "public" ride.  So there is a certain "chicken
and egg" dilemma/problem for those riders who don't know anyone else to
ride with ... How do you meet people and learn which ones are the ones
you can trust/feel safe riding with unless you "take a chance" and go
out on a group ride???

Cheers,
Chuck

Glenn Dysart wrote:
> 
> I guess you right Chuck that not all DCC rides have
> crashes, seems the ones you have taken people on have
> been pretty successful but for a while there it was at
> least one crash per ride if not more.  In other words,
> the odds are not good for the age of the list per
> rides.  Its the typical attitude of "I'm not a slow
> rider so I must get in the fast group" mentality I
> have a problem with.  Again, not that everyone on the
> list has it, but over the years I've been on this this
> I've seen happen more times then I have fingers or
> toes to count.

Glenn also wrote <SNIP>:

> Laura, I have no problem with people making mistakes,
> hell people do that every day.  Its the ones that
> can't accept the fact they are new to the sport or who
> have never ridden in a fast pace on the street and
> insist on having to ride with a fast group (when the
> ride splits into several groups) and then they get in
> over there head that I have a problem with.
>
> I guess what I'm trying to say is that anytime you
> invite the public (or people you've never ridden with)
> you never know what your getting yourself into.  Sure
> you could have a great time with people you've never
> met and have a great ride, but in my experience those
> rides don't always lead to fun, they have led to get
> offs more times then not.

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Larry Larson wrote:

> You mean like in http://www.wsdymfg.com/images/glenn1.jpg
> and http://www.wsdymfg.com/images/glenn2.jpg ? 8;)

Hey!  I recognize that bike!  :)

That was my starter bike.  And my wife's.  And my 
brother's...  Glad it's still out there putting along...

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I call it "dick measuring syndrome."
Opposite correlations apply here.  Like to get in over
your head? Feel the need to prove something? Small
dick.  :-)
heh

- Jeannette
  '86 VFR 700 F2
  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

--- Chuck Pena <cvkgpena@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Glenn,
> 
> Peoples' egos get in the way and
> more people seem to
> have the need to "prove something" by trying to ride
> fast.  That's when
> folks tend to ride over their heads, outside of
> their comfort
> level/ability limits, and faster than they're really
> capable of riding. 
> > Cheers,
> Chuck
> 
> 

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That's got to be one of the funniest things I've ever
heard.  LMAO
Think she figured out who yelled at her?  ;-)

- Jeannette 
  '86 VFR 700 F2
  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

--- "lisa@XXXXXX" <lgoddard@XXXXXX> wrote:
> 
> BECKY, GET YOUR FAT ASS OUT OF THE ROAD" She just
> about jumped out of her
> skin.  I closed my visor and rode last two blocks to
> work. Laughed the
> whole day on that one. 
> 
> Lisa
> '95 VFR
> 
> 


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At 11:51 PM 6/12/01, Glenn Dysart wrote:
>I do see your point though that riding two miles in
>town at a leisurely pace its hard to put all that gear
>on.  I guess for me I wouldn't bother braking out the
>bike for only two miles as that would be a tease for
>me.

I used to think that way too. I live 100 yards from Braddock
Street metro, and work a few hundred yards from Crystal
City metro, so it's hardly worth breaking out the bike, right?

But just riding those 2+ miles gets me to work in an entirely
different frame of mind as opposed to riding metro (and, I
must confess, sometimes I go up the GW Parkway and
somehow miss the airport exit, so I'm forced to ride up to
Spout Run, say 8;) ) It's not much, but it gets the day off
to a great start.

-- Larry
'01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco
'84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike)
'01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup
bike to the small emergency backup bike)



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...and the female corollary would be what? Or do they
just choose one of the multitude of souvenirs they've
accumulated from a lifetime of dating?

-- Larry


At 10:31 AM 6/13/01, Jeannette wrote:
>I call it "dick measuring syndrome."
>Opposite correlations apply here.  Like to get in over
>your head? Feel the need to prove something? Small
>dick.  :-)
>heh
>
>- Jeannette
>   '86 VFR 700 F2
>   http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081
>
>--- Chuck Pena <cvkgpena@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > Glenn,
> >
> > Peoples' egos get in the way and
> > more people seem to
> > have the need to "prove something" by trying to ride
> > fast.  That's when
> > folks tend to ride over their heads, outside of
> > their comfort
> > level/ability limits, and faster than they're really
> > capable of riding.
> > > Cheers,
> > Chuck
> >
> >
>
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>From what I've seen there isn't a corollary.  
Must be something in the testosterone, ya think?  ;-)

- Jeannette
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  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

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> they've
> accumulated from a lifetime of dating?
> 
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> 
> 
> 


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Hello,

I want to get my recently purchased motorcycle inspected in MD. Anyone have 
any recommendations on where to go? CyclesUSA is saying that I have to call 
at 10 am in the morning to see if they have any cancellations. Very 
aggravating. Any other places?? Thanks,

Ulrich
Ps. Didnt make bike night - I was at the beach. But DC is the place to have 'em.


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If you are near Olney MD, try Fletchers Amoco.  301 924 4500.

Bob
'97 VFR (4-sale)
'89 HawkGT

Ulrich Boser wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I want to get my recently purchased motorcycle inspected in MD. Anyone have
> any recommendations on where to go? CyclesUSA is saying that I have to call
> at 10 am in the morning to see if they have any cancellations. Very
> aggravating. Any other places?? Thanks,
>
> Ulrich
> Ps. Didnt make bike night - I was at the beach. But DC is the place to have 'em.


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1998 Suzuki GS500E 
3,550 miles 
$3,000.00

Black and silver.  All stock.  Mostly garaged.  Great condition!!   This
bike is fun to ride and is especially well-suited for newer riders.  Kelly
Blue Book places it at a higher price at MUCH higher mileage:
   
http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.mr?kbb;356491&;rc;r&154&1998;Suzuki;GS500
EW;42500;12990

See a photo (2001, but nearly identical) at:
http://www.suzukicycles.com/sr_01/sportstreet/bp_gs500.htm

I'll be placing an ad in the Post this weekend so if anyone on the list is
interested, please let me know!  

Sally Wood
'01 YZF600R  :) 
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Ulrich,

Try Cycle Accessory Discounters (CAD) in Gaithersburg. 301-977-7188. Keep in 
mind that most bike shops are flat-out right now. Not too many have a lot of 
idle shop time in the warm months.

You can also try Montgomery Village Auto Clinic, in Montgomery Village. I 
don't have their number. It's actually a car shop, but the owner rides and 
does some inspections. Good people.

HTH

Perry

>From: Ulrich Boser <uboser@XXXXXX>
>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
>Subject: Inspection
>Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:00:04 -0400
>
>Hello,
>
>I want to get my recently purchased motorcycle inspected in MD. Anyone have
>any recommendations on where to go? CyclesUSA is saying that I have to call
>at 10 am in the morning to see if they have any cancellations. Very
>aggravating. Any other places?? Thanks,
>
>Ulrich
>Ps. Didnt make bike night - I was at the beach. But DC is the place to have 
>'em.
>

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Someone on the WERA BBS recieved this from a friend across the pond....

>Some of us wear BMW style two piece "open chin" helmets - you know 
>the type - where the lower chin piece can be opened by pressing two 
>thumb locks. Some people have also fitted their bikes with 
>electronic cruise control or a version which operates on friction on 
>the throttle - either way they hold the speed of the bike reasonably 
>constant without any input from one's throttle hand. We also all 
>wear gloves, which invariably fasten around the wrist with either a 
>velcro flap or a press stud; some of the more expensive types have a 
>zip fastener as well, among other features.
>
>Picture if you will, one lone BMW rider with an opening chin helmet 
>and a pair of good quality velcro fastened gloves sailing along the 
>Hume Highway at 115 kph (that's all I'll admit to!!) dialled in on 
>the electronic cruise control. Weather is good, no cars in the 
>immediate vicinity, scenery is boring, no cops, life is good!!
>
>Junction of highway with Albury/Wodonga Road about 5 km away, no 
>need to slow down yet; bike is running beautifully!! Looking forward 
>to lunch.
>
>Bugger! Is that a bee that just got into my helmet through the small 
>gap I've left for some fresh air? Could be. Well, I'll just open my 
>helmet visor to let him out. Visor up ... no, the little bugger is 
>going to be stubborn, cantankerous even! He's not going to leave and 
>is now behind my sunnies, must be tired from all that pollen 
>hunting. Don't want to be stung on the eyelid-I'll just open the 
>chin piece on my BMW helmet (very handy) and get him out .... let go 
>of handlebars .... squeeze the release buttons bike is nicely 
>balanced and holding line well ... speed steady ... no cars ... this 
>should be easy ... got the helmet open ... glasses off ... piss off 
>bee! ... glasses on ... slam shut helmet ... hands back to bars ---- 
>oh, sheeite!
>
>Thumbs of both gloves jammed in helmet!!! Gloves won't move even 
>though I'm pulling like hell!! Wow, this will be testing...can't 
>quite press the release buttons with little fingers ... junction now 
>3.5 km away ... I know, I'll just pull one or both hands out of my 
>gloves.... no, that doesn't work: "velcro is good stuff, won't come 
>undone if you fall off!" I remember the salesman saying that. He was 
>absolutely right, they're stuck fast, I'd have to tear my head off 
>first. Well, next brilliant idea, what if I just touched the foot 
>brake --- nooo, dumb idea! That won't work, this airhead beemer has 
>great engine braking and
>when I get to about 40 kph and can't balance the bike any longer and 
>the dreaded BMW boxer wheel-wobble starts, which it will, I am going 
>to have major tank slappers --- sheeeiite!! I'll be off on my bum so 
>quick and still hanging onto my helmet so tightly they'll have to 
>bury me in it!!
>
>Won't do the bike much good either!!! Hell, I can see the junction 
>up ahead about one and half k's away and I am really starting to get 
>the wind up ... tense even ... certain parts are beginning to pucker 
>... if the lights change to red and that huge B-double (a double 
>tractor trailer only seen in Aus - G) waiting at the lights is in 
>the middle of the intersection when I get there, jeeesus, I'm going 
>to be a hood ornament next to that bloody chrome bull dog!! Must try 
>and pull hands really hard ... can I make them any smaller ... 800 
>metres ... the left one is giving a little ... maybe the gloves are 
>slipping on the sweat now pouring from every pore ... 600 metres 
>yes, yes, that's it, they're wet with sweat ....... I am going to 
>have to hit the footbrake in the next few seconds ... can't hit that 
>@#$*&@ big truck at this speed, it might scratch his duco ... yes! 
>yes! ripper! Got the left hand out ... now hit foot brake to cancel 
>cruise, de-clutch and slow bike with foot brake ... steer for the 
>shoulder ... slowing down ...slide foot... stop ... ease out clutch 
>to stall bike ... side stand down...switch off bike with left hand, 
>right hand still glued to helmet ... tintops going past must think 
>I've got toothache ... fall off into grass ... lay there for 5 
>minutes till the shaking stops and the adrenalin rush dissipates... 
>now release helmet with left hand and remove sweat soaked head.
>
>Breathe out ---- shizer! Was that ever close! I'll buy a Tatts ticket.
>
>When I had recovered, I realised there were two observation here:-
>
>No. 1: It's not a good idea to open or shut your helmet when on the move.
>
>and No. 2: Did you know, "adrenalin" is brown!!





-- 
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the 
skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
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<div>Someone on the WERA BBS recieved this from a friend across the
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<blockquote type="cite" cite><font color="#000000">Some of us wear
BMW style two piece &quot;open chin&quot; helmets - you know the type
- where the lower chin piece can be opened by pressing two thumb
locks. Some people have also fitted their bikes with electronic
cruise control or a version which operates on friction on the
throttle - either way they hold the speed of the bike reasonably
constant without any input from one's throttle hand. We also all wear
gloves, which invariably fasten around the wrist with either a velcro
flap or a press stud; some of the more expensive types have a zip
fastener as well, among other features.</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font
color="#000000"><br></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font color="#000000">Picture if you
will, one lone BMW rider with an opening chin helmet and a pair of
good quality velcro fastened gloves sailing along the Hume Highway at
115 kph (that's all I'll admit to!!) dialled in on the electronic
cruise control. Weather is good, no cars in the immediate vicinity,
scenery is boring, no cops, life is good!!</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font
color="#000000"><br></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font color="#000000">Junction of
highway with Albury/Wodonga Road about 5 km away, no need to slow
down yet; bike is running beautifully!! Looking forward to
lunch.</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font
color="#000000"><br></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font color="#000000">Bugger! Is that a
bee that just got into my helmet through the small gap I've left for
some fresh air? Could be. Well, I'll just open my helmet visor to let
him out. Visor up ... no, the little bugger is going to be stubborn,
cantankerous even! He's not going to leave and is now behind my
sunnies, must be tired from all that pollen hunting. Don't want to be
stung on the eyelid-I'll just open the chin piece on my BMW helmet
(very handy) and get him out .... let go of handlebars .... squeeze
the release buttons bike is nicely balanced and holding line well ...
speed steady ... no cars ... this should be easy ... got the helmet
open ... glasses off ... piss off bee! ... glasses on ... slam shut
helmet ... hands back to bars ---- oh, sheeite!</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font
color="#000000"><br></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font color="#000000">Thumbs of both
gloves jammed in helmet!!! Gloves won't move even though I'm pulling
like hell!! Wow, this will be testing...can't quite press the release
buttons with little fingers ... junction now 3.5 km away ... I know,
I'll just pull one or both hands out of my gloves.... no, that
doesn't work: &quot;velcro is good stuff, won't come undone if you
fall off!&quot; I remember the salesman saying that. He was
absolutely right, they're stuck fast, I'd have to tear my head off
first. Well, next brilliant idea, what if I just touched the foot
brake --- nooo, dumb idea! That won't work, this airhead beemer has
great engine braking and</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font color="#000000">when I get to
about 40 kph and can't balance the bike any longer and the dreaded
BMW boxer wheel-wobble starts, which it will, I am going to have
major tank slappers --- sheeeiite!! I'll be off on my bum so quick
and still hanging onto my helmet so tightly they'll have to bury me
in it!!</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font
color="#000000"><br></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font color="#000000">Won't do the bike
much good either!!! Hell, I can see the junction up ahead about one
and half k's away and I am really starting to get the wind up ...
tense even ... certain parts are beginning to pucker ... if the
lights change to red and that huge B-double (a double tractor trailer
only seen in Aus - G) waiting at the lights is in the middle of the
intersection when I get there, jeeesus, I'm going to be a hood
ornament next to that bloody chrome bull dog!! Must try and pull
hands really hard ... can I make them any smaller ... 800 metres ...
the left one is giving a little ... maybe the gloves are slipping on
the sweat now pouring from every pore ... 600 metres yes, yes, that's
it, they're wet with sweat ....... I am going to have to hit the
footbrake in the next few seconds ... can't hit that @#$*&amp;@ big
truck at this speed, it might scratch his duco ... yes! yes! ripper!
Got the left hand out ... now hit foot brake to cancel cruise,
de-clutch and slow bike with foot brake ... steer for the shoulder
... slowing down ...slide foot... stop ... ease out clutch to stall
bike ... side stand down...switch off bike with left hand, right hand
still glued to helmet ... tintops going past must think I've got
toothache ... fall off into grass ... lay there for 5 minutes till
the shaking stops and the adrenalin rush dissipates... now release
helmet with left hand and remove sweat soaked
head.</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font
color="#000000"><br></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font color="#000000">Breathe out ----
shizer! Was that ever close! I'll buy a Tatts
ticket.</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font
color="#000000"><br></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font color="#000000">When I had
recovered, I realised there were two observation
here:-</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font
color="#000000"><br></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font color="#000000">No. 1: It's not a
good idea to open or shut your helmet when on the
move.</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font
color="#000000"><br></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font color="#000000">and No. 2: Did you
know, &quot;adrenalin&quot; is brown!!</font></blockquote>
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<div>-- <br>
&quot;For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and
the skillful defiance of it.&quot;<br>
<br>
-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)<br>
<br>
Sean Jordan<br>
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing<br>
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)<br>
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)<br>
WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038<br>
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I think this was meant for the group.  (doh!)

Bob
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Morris Berman wrote:

> If you're near college park, the shell near beltway palza does it.
> Basically call you're most convenint gas station and ask.
>
> -Mb
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> > If you are near Olney MD, try Fletchers Amoco.  301 924 4500.
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> > Bob
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> >
> > Ulrich Boser wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I want to get my recently purchased motorcycle inspected in MD. Anyone have
> > > any recommendations on where to go? CyclesUSA is saying that I have to call
> > > at 10 am in the morning to see if they have any cancellations. Very
> > > aggravating. Any other places?? Thanks,
> > >
> > > Ulrich
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Hmmm, I got this about a week ago from a guy on a US based list that I
belong to.  Seems he had the EXACT (word for word, excluding the metric
conversions...) same experience in WV over the memorial day group ride I was
supposed to be on - I wonder who it actually happened to...
 
-Calvin
'00 VFR800 Interceptor
 
 
 -----Original Message-----
From: Sean Jordan [mailto:sean.jordan@XXXXXX]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 1:48 PM
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: A funny/scary story from across the pond



Someone on the WERA BBS recieved this from a friend across the pond....



Some of us wear BMW style two piece "open chin" helmets - you know the type
- where the lower chin piece can be opened by pressing two thumb locks. Some
people have also fitted their bikes with electronic cruise control or a
version which operates on friction on the throttle - either way they hold
the speed of the bike reasonably constant without any input from one's
throttle hand. We also all wear gloves, which invariably fasten around the
wrist with either a velcro flap or a press stud; some of the more expensive
types have a zip fastener as well, among other features.




Picture if you will, one lone BMW rider with an opening chin helmet and a
pair of good quality velcro fastened gloves sailing along the Hume Highway
at 115 kph (that's all I'll admit to!!) dialled in on the electronic cruise
control. Weather is good, no cars in the immediate vicinity, scenery is
boring, no cops, life is good!!




Junction of highway with Albury/Wodonga Road about 5 km away, no need to
slow down yet; bike is running beautifully!! Looking forward to lunch.




Bugger! Is that a bee that just got into my helmet through the small gap
I've left for some fresh air? Could be. Well, I'll just open my helmet visor
to let him out. Visor up ... no, the little bugger is going to be stubborn,
cantankerous even! He's not going to leave and is now behind my sunnies,
must be tired from all that pollen hunting. Don't want to be stung on the
eyelid-I'll just open the chin piece on my BMW helmet (very handy) and get
him out .... let go of handlebars .... squeeze the release buttons bike is
nicely balanced and holding line well ... speed steady ... no cars ... this
should be easy ... got the helmet open ... glasses off ... piss off bee! ...
glasses on ... slam shut helmet ... hands back to bars ---- oh, sheeite!




Thumbs of both gloves jammed in helmet!!! Gloves won't move even though I'm
pulling like hell!! Wow, this will be testing...can't quite press the
release buttons with little fingers ... junction now 3.5 km away ... I know,
I'll just pull one or both hands out of my gloves.... no, that doesn't work:
"velcro is good stuff, won't come undone if you fall off!" I remember the
salesman saying that. He was absolutely right, they're stuck fast, I'd have
to tear my head off first. Well, next brilliant idea, what if I just touched
the foot brake --- nooo, dumb idea! That won't work, this airhead beemer has
great engine braking and

when I get to about 40 kph and can't balance the bike any longer and the
dreaded BMW boxer wheel-wobble starts, which it will, I am going to have
major tank slappers --- sheeeiite!! I'll be off on my bum so quick and still
hanging onto my helmet so tightly they'll have to bury me in it!!




Won't do the bike much good either!!! Hell, I can see the junction up ahead
about one and half k's away and I am really starting to get the wind up ...
tense even ... certain parts are beginning to pucker ... if the lights
change to red and that huge B-double (a double tractor trailer only seen in
Aus - G) waiting at the lights is in the middle of the intersection when I
get there, jeeesus, I'm going to be a hood ornament next to that bloody
chrome bull dog!! Must try and pull hands really hard ... can I make them
any smaller ... 800 metres ... the left one is giving a little ... maybe the
gloves are slipping on the sweat now pouring from every pore ... 600 metres
yes, yes, that's it, they're wet with sweat ....... I am going to have to
hit the footbrake in the next few seconds ... can't hit that @#$*&@ big
truck at this speed, it might scratch his duco ... yes! yes! ripper! Got the
left hand out ... now hit foot brake to cancel cruise, de-clutch and slow
bike with foot brake ... steer for the shoulder ... slowing down ...slide
foot... stop ... ease out clutch to stall bike ... side stand down...switch
off bike with left hand, right hand still glued to helmet ... tintops going
past must think I've got toothache ... fall off into grass ... lay there for
5 minutes till the shaking stops and the adrenalin rush dissipates... now
release helmet with left hand and remove sweat soaked head.




Breathe out ---- shizer! Was that ever close! I'll buy a Tatts ticket.




When I had recovered, I realised there were two observation here:-




No. 1: It's not a good idea to open or shut your helmet when on the move.




and No. 2: Did you know, "adrenalin" is brown!!







-- 
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful
defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html



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class=915231318-13062001>Hmmm,&nbsp;I got this about a week ago from a guy on a 
US based list that I belong to.&nbsp; Seems he had the EXACT (word for word, 
excluding the metric conversions...) same experience in WV over the memorial day 
group ride I was supposed to be on - I wonder who<SPAN class=529381518-13062001> 
it actu</SPAN><SPAN class=529381518-13062001>ally happened 
to</SPAN>...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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size=2>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT face=Arial><SPAN 
class=915231318-13062001>-Calvin<BR><SPAN class=529381518-13062001>'00 VFR800 
Interceptor</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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class=529381518-13062001></SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Sean Jordan 
[mailto:sean.jordan@XXXXXX]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 13, 2001 1:48 
PM<BR><B>To:</B> dc-cycles@XXXXXX<BR><B>Subject:</B> A funny/scary story 
from across the pond<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"></FONT>
  <DIV>Someone on the WERA BBS recieved this from a friend across the 
  pond....</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#000000><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000>Some of us wear BMW style 
    two piece "open chin" helmets - you know the type - where the lower chin 
    piece can be opened by pressing two thumb locks. Some people have also 
    fitted their bikes with electronic cruise control or a version which 
    operates on friction on the throttle - either way they hold the speed of the 
    bike reasonably constant without any input from one's throttle hand. We also 
    all wear gloves, which invariably fasten around the wrist with either a 
    velcro flap or a press stud; some of the more expensive types have a zip 
    fastener as well, among other features.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000>Picture if you will, one 
    lone BMW rider with an opening chin helmet and a pair of good quality velcro 
    fastened gloves sailing along the Hume Highway at 115 kph (that's all I'll 
    admit to!!) dialled in on the electronic cruise control. Weather is good, no 
    cars in the immediate vicinity, scenery is boring, no cops, life is 
    good!!</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000>Junction of highway with 
    Albury/Wodonga Road about 5 km away, no need to slow down yet; bike is 
    running beautifully!! Looking forward to lunch.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000>Bugger! Is that a bee that 
    just got into my helmet through the small gap I've left for some fresh air? 
    Could be. Well, I'll just open my helmet visor to let him out. Visor up ... 
    no, the little bugger is going to be stubborn, cantankerous even! He's not 
    going to leave and is now behind my sunnies, must be tired from all that 
    pollen hunting. Don't want to be stung on the eyelid-I'll just open the chin 
    piece on my BMW helmet (very handy) and get him out .... let go of 
    handlebars .... squeeze the release buttons bike is nicely balanced and 
    holding line well ... speed steady ... no cars ... this should be easy ... 
    got the helmet open ... glasses off ... piss off bee! ... glasses on ... 
    slam shut helmet ... hands back to bars ---- oh, sheeite!</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000>Thumbs of both gloves 
    jammed in helmet!!! Gloves won't move even though I'm pulling like hell!! 
    Wow, this will be testing...can't quite press the release buttons with 
    little fingers ... junction now 3.5 km away ... I know, I'll just pull one 
    or both hands out of my gloves.... no, that doesn't work: "velcro is good 
    stuff, won't come undone if you fall off!" I remember the salesman saying 
    that. He was absolutely right, they're stuck fast, I'd have to tear my head 
    off first. Well, next brilliant idea, what if I just touched the foot brake 
    --- nooo, dumb idea! That won't work, this airhead beemer has great engine 
    braking and</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000>when I get to about 40 kph 
    and can't balance the bike any longer and the dreaded BMW boxer wheel-wobble 
    starts, which it will, I am going to have major tank slappers --- 
    sheeeiite!! I'll be off on my bum so quick and still hanging onto my helmet 
    so tightly they'll have to bury me in it!!</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000>Won't do the bike much good 
    either!!! Hell, I can see the junction up ahead about one and half k's away 
    and I am really starting to get the wind up ... tense even ... certain parts 
    are beginning to pucker ... if the lights change to red and that huge 
    B-double (a double tractor trailer only seen in Aus - G) waiting at the 
    lights is in the middle of the intersection when I get there, jeeesus, I'm 
    going to be a hood ornament next to that bloody chrome bull dog!! Must try 
    and pull hands really hard ... can I make them any smaller ... 800 metres 
    ... the left one is giving a little ... maybe the gloves are slipping on the 
    sweat now pouring from every pore ... 600 metres yes, yes, that's it, 
    they're wet with sweat ....... I am going to have to hit the footbrake in 
    the next few seconds ... can't hit that @#$*&amp;@ big truck at this speed, 
    it might scratch his duco ... yes! yes! ripper! Got the left hand out ... 
    now hit foot brake to cancel cruise, de-clutch and slow bike with foot brake 
    ... steer for the shoulder ... slowing down ...slide foot... stop ... ease 
    out clutch to stall bike ... side stand down...switch off bike with left 
    hand, right hand still glued to helmet ... tintops going past must think 
    I've got toothache ... fall off into grass ... lay there for 5 minutes till 
    the shaking stops and the adrenalin rush dissipates... now release helmet 
    with left hand and remove sweat soaked head.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000>Breathe out ---- shizer! 
    Was that ever close! I'll buy a Tatts ticket.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000>When I had recovered, I 
    realised there were two observation here:-</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000>No. 1: It's not a good idea 
    to open or shut your helmet when on the move.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000>and No. 2: Did you know, 
    "adrenalin" is brown!!</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <DIV><BR><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><BR><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#000000><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>-- <BR>"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the 
  skillful defiance of it."<BR><BR>-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)<BR><BR>Sean 
  Jordan<BR>Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing<BR>'93 Honda CBR1000F 
  (Street)<BR>'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)<BR>WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member 
  #3038<BR>http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/j<SPAN></SPAN>ordanracing.html<BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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They wear beanies so they can expectorate in my general direction seeing as how
my Hardly is lacking in polish, long on dead bugs, and my minimum hat is a
Snell 3/4, often a full face, and I wear a leather jacket - no tassells, damn
things will whip the poopy outta you at 80 or so.

Bill

Pflieger, Matthew M. wrote:

> Never a cruiser?  So what word is used for the types that
>
> 1.  Begin midlife crisis
> 2.  Buy coolest-looking cruiser they can afford, esp. hardley
> 3.  Grow facial hair to extent permitted by employer (including women)
> 4.  Purchase as much leather as possible without succumbing to actual
> protection, i.e. chaps, vest, tassels
> 5.  Purchase beanie helmet in states w/ helmet laws; scoff at helmets
> altogether in non-law states
> 6.  Park bike at local hangout, stand next to it in order to be seen lots
> 7.  Get drunk
> 8.  Crash trying to get home
>
> Matt L'enfant Provocateur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MJordan666@XXXXXX [mailto:MJordan666@XXXXXX]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 8:58 AM
> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> Subject: Re: Squids?
>
> >What is a Squid?
>
> Hi Pete,
>
> Welcome to the list and motorcycling in general.
>
> The generally accepted definition is that squid is a bastardization of
> "squirrelly kid"; i.e. a person who rides with little or no discipline.
>
> They also tend to ride like calamari swim - fast in straight lines, but
> almost no cornering capability.
>
> The mode of dress can also be an indicator - t-shirt, cutoffs, sneakers (or
> flip-flops) and a $500 repli-racer helmet are fairly good indicators.
>
> Generally, someone who acts irresponsibly on a motorcycle - almost always a
> sport bike, sometimes a standard, and almost never a cruiser.
>
> On your Savage, you're safe from the appelation, although I've seen some
> very
> nice cafe racers based on the Savage...
>
> Michael J.


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ROTFLMAO.  Oh my GOD, that was funny.  Scary, but funny.  =8-0  Remind me to 1. never install an electronic cruise control on my bike and 2. never do that with my Nolan flip up if I do install a cc.  Although I have thought about it
a time or two.  ;-)

Scooter


In a message dated Wed, 13 Jun 2001  1:52:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX> writes:

<< <!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN">  <!--
blockquote, dl, ul, ol, li { margin-top: 0 ; margin-bottom: 0 }
 -->A funny/scary story from across the  pond  Someone on the WERA BBS recieved this from a friend across the  pond....  
  Some of us wear  BMW style two piece "open chin" helmets - you know the type  - where the lower chin piece can be opened by pressing two thumb  locks. Some people have also fitted their bikes with electronic  cruise control or a version which operates on friction on the  throttle - either way they hold the speed of the bike reasonably  constant without any input from one's throttle hand. We also all wear  gloves, which invariably fasten around the wrist with either a velcro  flap or a press stud; some of the more expensive types have a zip  fastener as well, among other features.  
  Picture if you  will, one lone BMW rider with an opening chin helmet and a pair of  good quality velcro fastened gloves sailing along the Hume Highway at  115 kph (that's all I'll admit to!!) dialled in on the electronic  cruise control. Weather is good, no cars in the immediate vicinity,  scenery is boring, no cops, life is good!!  
  Junction of  highway with Albury/Wodonga Road about 5 km away, no need to slow  down yet; bike is running beautifully!! Looking forward to  lunch.  
  Bugger! Is that a  bee that just got into my helmet through the small gap I've left for  some fresh air? Could be. Well, I'll just open my helmet visor to let  him out. Visor up ... no, the little bugger is going to be stubborn,  cantankerous even! He's not going to leave and is now behind my  sunnies, must be tired from all that pollen hunting. Don't want to be  stung on the eyelid-I'll just open the chin piece on my BMW helmet  (very handy) and get him out .... let go of handlebars .... squeeze  the release buttons bike is nicely balanced and holding line well ...  speed steady ... no cars ... this should be easy ... got the helmet  open ... glasses off ... piss off bee! ... glasses on ... slam shut  helmet ... hands back to bars ---- oh, sheeite!  
  Thumbs of both  gloves jammed in helmet!!! Gloves won't move even though I'm pulling  like hell!! Wow, this will be testing...can't quite press the release  buttons with little fingers ... junction now 3.5 km away ... I know,  I'll just pull one or both hands out of my gloves.... no, that  doesn't work: "velcro is good stuff, won't come undone if you  fall off!" I remember the salesman saying that. He was  absolutely right, they're stuck fast, I'd have to tear my head off  first. Well, next brilliant idea, what if I just touched the foot  brake --- nooo, dumb idea! That won't work, this airhead beemer has  great engine braking and  when I get to  about 40 kph and can't balance the bike any longer and the dreaded  BMW boxer wheel-wobble starts, which it will, I am going to have  major tank slappers --- sheeeiite!! I'll be off on my bum so quick  and still hanging onto my helmet so tightly they'll have to bury me  in it!!  
  Won't do the bike  much good either!!! Hell, I can see the junction up ahead about one  and half k's away and I am really starting to get the wind up ...  tense even ... certain parts are beginning to pucker ... if the  lights change to red and that huge B-double (a double tractor trailer  only seen in Aus - G) waiting at the lights is in the middle of the  intersection when I get there, jeeesus, I'm going to be a hood  ornament next to that bloody chrome bull dog!! Must try and pull  hands really hard ... can I make them any smaller ... 800 metres ...  the left one is giving a little ... maybe the gloves are slipping on  the sweat now pouring from every pore ... 600 metres yes, yes, that's  it, they're wet with sweat ....... I am going to have to hit the  footbrake in the next few seconds ... can't hit that @#$*&@ big  truck at this speed, it might scratch his duco ... yes! yes! ripper!  Got the left hand out ... now hit foot brake to cancel cruise,  de-clutch and slow bike!
 with foot brake ... steer for t
he shoulder  ... slowing down ...slide foot... stop ... ease out clutch to stall  bike ... side stand down...switch off bike with left hand, right hand  still glued to helmet ... tintops going past must think I've got  toothache ... fall off into grass ... lay there for 5 minutes till  the shaking stops and the adrenalin rush dissipates... now release  helmet with left hand and remove sweat soaked  head.  
  Breathe out ----  shizer! Was that ever close! I'll buy a Tatts  ticket.  
  When I had  recovered, I realised there were two observation  here:-  
  No. 1: It's not a  good idea to open or shut your helmet when on the  move.  
  and No. 2: Did you  know, "adrenalin" is brown!!  
  
    
  
    
    -- 
  "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and  the skillful defiance of it."
  
  -Ernest Becker (1924-1974)
  
  Sean Jordan
  Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
  '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
  '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
  WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
  http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/j<span ></span>ordanracing.html
         >>



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On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Larry Larson wrote:

> You mean like in http://www.wsdymfg.com/images/glenn1.jpg
> and http://www.wsdymfg.com/images/glenn2.jpg ? 8;)
> 
	Looks like he was really hauling ass in that second
picture. What a squid!

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Fun, but just another urban legend.

1. airhead BMW's are a very unlikely candidate for electronic cruise control - they have little enough charging power as it is.
2. "BMW-style" open face helmets (the BMW System helmets by Schuberth) use a single latch to open the face piece, not two "release catches".
3. Closing the face piece typically requires one hand in front and one hand behind - not both hands on the sides.

But a great story nontheless!

Chris Norloff

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX>
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:48:02 -0400

>Someone on the WERA BBS recieved this from a friend across the pond....
>
>>Some of us wear BMW style two piece "open chin" helmets - you know 
>>the type - where the lower chin piece can be opened by pressing two 
>>thumb locks. Some people have also fitted their bikes with 
>>electronic cruise control or a version which operates on friction on 
>>the throttle - either way they hold the speed of the bike reasonably 
>>constant without any input from one's throttle hand. We also all 
>>wear gloves, which invariably fasten around the wrist with either a 
>>velcro flap or a press stud; some of the more expensive types have a 
>>zip fastener as well, among other features.
>>
>>Picture if you will, one lone BMW rider with an opening chin helmet 
>>and a pair of good quality velcro fastened gloves sailing along the 
>>Hume Highway at 115 kph (that's all I'll admit to!!) dialled in on 
>>the electronic cruise control. Weather is good, no cars in the 
>>immediate vicinity, scenery is boring, no cops, life is good!!
>>
>>Junction of highway with Albury/Wodonga Road about 5 km away, no 
>>need to slow down yet; bike is running beautifully!! Looking forward 
>>to lunch.
>>
>>Bugger! Is that a bee that just got into my helmet through the small 
>>gap I've left for some fresh air? Could be. Well, I'll just open my 
>>helmet visor to let him out. Visor up ... no, the little bugger is 
>>going to be stubborn, cantankerous even! He's not going to leave and 
>>is now behind my sunnies, must be tired from all that pollen 
>>hunting. Don't want to be stung on the eyelid-I'll just open the 
>>chin piece on my BMW helmet (very handy) and get him out .... let go 
>>of handlebars .... squeeze the release buttons bike is nicely 
>>balanced and holding line well ... speed steady ... no cars ... this 
>>should be easy ... got the helmet open ... glasses off ... piss off 
>>bee! ... glasses on ... slam shut helmet ... hands back to bars ---- 
>>oh, sheeite!
>>
>>Thumbs of both gloves jammed in helmet!!! Gloves won't move even 
>>though I'm pulling like hell!! Wow, this will be testing...can't 
>>quite press the release buttons with little fingers ... junction now 
>>3.5 km away ... I know, I'll just pull one or both hands out of my 
>>gloves.... no, that doesn't work: "velcro is good stuff, won't come 
>>undone if you fall off!" I remember the salesman saying that. He was 
>>absolutely right, they're stuck fast, I'd have to tear my head off 
>>first. Well, next brilliant idea, what if I just touched the foot 
>>brake --- nooo, dumb idea! That won't work, this airhead beemer has 
>>great engine braking and
>>when I get to about 40 kph and can't balance the bike any longer and 
>>the dreaded BMW boxer wheel-wobble starts, which it will, I am going 
>>to have major tank slappers --- sheeeiite!! I'll be off on my bum so 
>>quick and still hanging onto my helmet so tightly they'll have to 
>>bury me in it!!
>>
>>Won't do the bike much good either!!! Hell, I can see the junction 
>>up ahead about one and half k's away and I am really starting to get 
>>the wind up ... tense even ... certain parts are beginning to pucker 
>>... if the lights change to red and that huge B-double (a double 
>>tractor trailer only seen in Aus - G) waiting at the lights is in 
>>the middle of the intersection when I get there, jeeesus, I'm going 
>>to be a hood ornament next to that bloody chrome bull dog!! Must try 
>>and pull hands really hard ... can I make them any smaller ... 800 
>>metres ... the left one is giving a little ... maybe the gloves are 
>>slipping on the sweat now pouring from every pore ... 600 metres 
>>yes, yes, that's it, they're wet with sweat ....... I am going to 
>>have to hit the footbrake in the next few seconds ... can't hit that 
>>@#$*&@ big truck at this speed, it might scratch his duco ... yes! 
>>yes! ripper! Got the left hand out ... now hit foot brake to cancel 
>>cruise, de-clutch and slow bike with foot brake ... steer for the 
>>shoulder ... slowing down ...slide foot... stop ... ease out clutch 
>>to stall bike ... side stand down...switch off bike with left hand, 
>>right hand still glued to helmet ... tintops going past must think 
>>I've got toothache ... fall off into grass ... lay there for 5 
>>minutes till the shaking stops and the adrenalin rush dissipates... 
>>now release helmet with left hand and remove sweat soaked head.
>>
>>Breathe out ---- shizer! Was that ever close! I'll buy a Tatts ticket.
>>
>>When I had recovered, I realised there were two observation here:-
>>
>>No. 1: It's not a good idea to open or shut your helmet when on the move.
>>
>>and No. 2: Did you know, "adrenalin" is brown!!
>
>
>
>
>
>-- 
>"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the 
>skillful defiance of it."
>
>-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)
>
>Sean Jordan
>Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
>'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
>'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
>WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
>http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html
>
>

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>Fun, but just another urban legend.
>
>1. airhead BMW's are a very unlikely candidate for electronic cruise 
>control - they have little enough charging power as it is.
>2. "BMW-style" open face helmets (the BMW System helmets by 
>Schuberth) use a single latch to open the face piece, not two 
>"release catches".
>3. Closing the face piece typically requires one hand in front and 
>one hand behind - not both hands on the sides.

I have posted a UL. I am shamed. I go to sit in corner now. Before I 
go, I will post your knowledge on the list that led me astray.

:(

-- 
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the 
skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html


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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=592284139&r=0&t=0

Neat!

-- 
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the 
skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html


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Anker never would have posted such drivel.


--- Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX> wrote:
> >Fun, but just another urban legend.
> >
> >1. airhead BMW's are a very unlikely candidate for
> electronic cruise 
> >control - they have little enough charging power as
> it is.
> >2. "BMW-style" open face helmets (the BMW System
> helmets by 
> >Schuberth) use a single latch to open the face
> piece, not two 
> >"release catches".
> >3. Closing the face piece typically requires one
> hand in front and 
> >one hand behind - not both hands on the sides.
> 
> I have posted a UL. I am shamed. I go to sit in
> corner now. Before I 
> go, I will post your knowledge on the list that led
> me astray.
> 
> :(
> 
> -- 
> "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of
> death and the 
> skillful defiance of it."
> 
> -Ernest Becker (1924-1974)
> 
> Sean Jordan
> Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
> '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
> '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
> WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
>
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html
> 


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Try Potomac Amaco 301-299-8400, They inspect bikes and are really cool, they only need a day or two notice. The mechanic did the inspection while my bike was still on the trailer. Total time was about 30 minutes.

George Cole





>>> Ulrich Boser <uboser@XXXXXX> 06/13/01 01:00PM >>>
Hello,

I want to get my recently purchased motorcycle inspected in MD. Anyone have 
any recommendations on where to go? CyclesUSA is saying that I have to call 
at 10 am in the morning to see if they have any cancellations. Very 
aggravating. Any other places?? Thanks,

Ulrich
Ps. Didnt make bike night - I was at the beach. But DC is the place to have 'em.



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What's wrong with electronic cruise controls anyway?  I've got one on my
Viffer and it works great - really pissed off a Fairfax County LEO last week
with it.  Got on the County PW and was tooling along in the left lane at
50MPH (the limit) and he tried the old "ride his butt till he lets my
important ass by so that I can ILLEGALLY speed while not responding to a
call for service..." (Everyone KNOWS that you're required to let police by
in the left lane anytime you see one there right?) I just turned on the
cruise, set it for 49mph, and let the computer handle the tough stuff.  When
he finally did pass in the right lane, he gave me a dirty look for not
moving... 

-Calvin

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 2:52 PM
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ROTFLMAO.  Oh my GOD, that was funny.  Scary, but funny.  =8-0  Remind me to
1. never install an electronic cruise control on my bike and 2. never do
that with my Nolan flip up if I do install a cc.  Although I have thought
about it
a time or two.  ;-)

Scooter


In a message dated Wed, 13 Jun 2001  1:52:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Sean
Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX> writes:

<< <!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN">  <!--
blockquote, dl, ul, ol, li { margin-top: 0 ; margin-bottom: 0 }
 -->A funny/scary story from across the  pond  Someone on the WERA BBS
recieved this from a friend across the  pond....  
  Some of us wear  BMW style two piece "open chin" helmets - you know the
type  - where the lower chin piece can be opened by pressing two thumb
locks. Some people have also fitted their bikes with electronic  cruise
control or a version which operates on friction on the  throttle - either
way they hold the speed of the bike reasonably  constant without any input
from one's throttle hand. We also all wear  gloves, which invariably fasten
around the wrist with either a velcro  flap or a press stud; some of the
more expensive types have a zip  fastener as well, among other features.  
  Picture if you  will, one lone BMW rider with an opening chin helmet and a
pair of  good quality velcro fastened gloves sailing along the Hume Highway
at  115 kph (that's all I'll admit to!!) dialled in on the electronic
cruise control. Weather is good, no cars in the immediate vicinity,  scenery
is boring, no cops, life is good!!  
  Junction of  highway with Albury/Wodonga Road about 5 km away, no need to
slow  down yet; bike is running beautifully!! Looking forward to  lunch.  
  Bugger! Is that a  bee that just got into my helmet through the small gap
I've left for  some fresh air? Could be. Well, I'll just open my helmet
visor to let  him out. Visor up ... no, the little bugger is going to be
stubborn,  cantankerous even! He's not going to leave and is now behind my
sunnies, must be tired from all that pollen hunting. Don't want to be  stung
on the eyelid-I'll just open the chin piece on my BMW helmet  (very handy)
and get him out .... let go of handlebars .... squeeze  the release buttons
bike is nicely balanced and holding line well ...  speed steady ... no cars
... this should be easy ... got the helmet  open ... glasses off ... piss
off bee! ... glasses on ... slam shut  helmet ... hands back to bars ----
oh, sheeite!  
  Thumbs of both  gloves jammed in helmet!!! Gloves won't move even though
I'm pulling  like hell!! Wow, this will be testing...can't quite press the
release  buttons with little fingers ... junction now 3.5 km away ... I
know,  I'll just pull one or both hands out of my gloves.... no, that
doesn't work: "velcro is good stuff, won't come undone if you  fall off!" I
remember the salesman saying that. He was  absolutely right, they're stuck
fast, I'd have to tear my head off  first. Well, next brilliant idea, what
if I just touched the foot  brake --- nooo, dumb idea! That won't work, this
airhead beemer has  great engine braking and  when I get to  about 40 kph
and can't balance the bike any longer and the dreaded  BMW boxer
wheel-wobble starts, which it will, I am going to have  major tank slappers
--- sheeeiite!! I'll be off on my bum so quick  and still hanging onto my
helmet so tightly they'll have to bury me  in it!!  
  Won't do the bike  much good either!!! Hell, I can see the junction up
ahead about one  and half k's away and I am really starting to get the wind
up ...  tense even ... certain parts are beginning to pucker ... if the
lights change to red and that huge B-double (a double tractor trailer  only
seen in Aus - G) waiting at the lights is in the middle of the  intersection
when I get there, jeeesus, I'm going to be a hood  ornament next to that
bloody chrome bull dog!! Must try and pull  hands really hard ... can I make
them any smaller ... 800 metres ...  the left one is giving a little ...
maybe the gloves are slipping on  the sweat now pouring from every pore ...
600 metres yes, yes, that's  it, they're wet with sweat ....... I am going
to have to hit the  footbrake in the next few seconds ... can't hit that
@#$*&@ big  truck at this speed, it might scratch his duco ... yes! yes!
ripper!  Got the left hand out ... now hit foot brake to cancel cruise,
de-clutch and slow bi!
ke!
 with foot brake ... steer for t
he shoulder  ... slowing down ...slide foot... stop ... ease out clutch to
stall  bike ... side stand down...switch off bike with left hand, right hand
still glued to helmet ... tintops going past must think I've got  toothache
... fall off into grass ... lay there for 5 minutes till  the shaking stops
and the adrenalin rush dissipates... now release  helmet with left hand and
remove sweat soaked  head.  
  Breathe out ----  shizer! Was that ever close! I'll buy a Tatts  ticket.  
  When I had  recovered, I realised there were two observation  here:-  
  No. 1: It's not a  good idea to open or shut your helmet when on the
move.  
  and No. 2: Did you  know, "adrenalin" is brown!!  
  
    
  
    
    -- 
  "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and  the
skillful defiance of it."
  
  -Ernest Becker (1924-1974)
  
  Sean Jordan
  Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
  '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
  '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
  WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
  http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/j<span ></span>ordanracing.html
         >>


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The TSR Injury Fund regrets to announce that the 2nd Annual Raffle for
Injured Riders must be postponed until later in the roadracing season.
  
Originally, it was scheduled for Sunday, June 17th at the WERA VIR
Cycle Jam.   At this time, we have rescheduled the drawing for Sunday,
Oct 28th at the WERA GNF.  This will give us the opportunity to attend
more events to generate further awareness for the fund and it's
activities.  We will attend at least nine more events prior to the GNF,
so please look for us at your next local event.

We would like to apologize to everyone that has already supported the
TSR Injury fund this year, but would like to assure you that we will
continue our efforts until our goal of 500 tickets is reached.  We
understand that there has been an increase in roadracing-based
charities, and we appreciate that you choose us.

If you have not chosen a motorcycle roadracing based charity for 2001,
please consider the TSR Injury Fund.

Sincerely,

TSR Injury Fund
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Hi everyone,

I had the great pleasure of riding on Skyline Drive last Sunday.  Since my 
weekly admission pass is still valid through Saturday, I plan on heading up 
there to enjoy it again.

My pass is valid for 2 people, and since the guy I went with last time is 
not going, I can get one other person in for free (avoid the $5 entry fee).  
Whoever responds first via email will get the freebie.

I don't care if you are a squid or a pro-racer, I just would rather have 
some company to ride down there and eat lunch etc.  I don't know what time 
is best to avoid traffic, but my guess is morning is better than afternoon?  
I really enjoy the group-riding atmosphere, and I'm not looking for any 
racing, but a nice relaxed pace with maybe a few brisk corners but nothing 
serious (like doing the 20mph turns at, oh, 30mph?)

Anyway, if anybody is interested, let me know.  I live near the 
Vienna/Fairfax metro station (last stop on the orange line, exit 62 on 
I-66), and I can meet there in the motorcycle parking area before heading 
down 66 to Front Royal.  I would say tentatively to meet there at 9:30am, 
but if that is too late/early I can follow up with another email having the 
general consensus of what time to meet.

Also, if there is already a planned group ride being put on by anyone else, 
that is going to be near skyline, I would like to find out about it and go 
on that ride and end up on Skyline.

Hope to meet some riders who are interested in riding Skyline Drive and 
possibly eating lunch etc.

Aaron S. Ward
CBR900RR
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Hell, I've been here almost 4 months now.

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 6:56 AM
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> You have 30 days to register your car in Va. from the
> time you move here. As long as your license is still
> from Tx. noone will know.
>
> Todd W.
>
>
> --- Cliff Zigmond <cliffzig@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > I'll be registering in VA.  I paid the great state
> > of Texas registration fees all the way up to
> > January, and I'll be damned if I am going to get
> > screwed by 2 states at once.  I plan on sticking to
> > my TX plates/license/guns as long as they'll let me.
> >
> > Cliff
> >
> > *snip!*
> > >>If you're planning on registering in DC, you're
> > going to have to ante up or they'll withhold your
> > registration(s).
> >
> >
> >
>
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In Virginia, it's illegal to flash your high beams to indicate
you want to pass. It's also illegal to not yield to faster
traffic, regardless of how fast you *think* you're travelling.
When's the last time you had your speedo or cruise
control calibrated?

You should probably consider yourself lucky you didn't
come up against one who'd give your rear fender a little
nudge -- just as a hint, of course.

Don't tweak the bears, asshole. Jerks like you just
make it tougher for the rest of us.

-- Larry


At 06:16 PM 6/13/01, Ledford, Calvin wrote:
>What's wrong with electronic cruise controls anyway?  I've got one on my
>Viffer and it works great - really pissed off a Fairfax County LEO last week
>with it.  Got on the County PW and was tooling along in the left lane at
>50MPH (the limit) and he tried the old "ride his butt till he lets my
>important ass by so that I can ILLEGALLY speed while not responding to a
>call for service..." (Everyone KNOWS that you're required to let police by
>in the left lane anytime you see one there right?) I just turned on the
>cruise, set it for 49mph, and let the computer handle the tough stuff.  When
>he finally did pass in the right lane, he gave me a dirty look for not
>moving...
>
>-Calvin



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Hey All,

Went to Summit Point last weekend and had a blast watching.  Now I'm read=
y to hit my first track days.  Can anyone suggest which ones would be bet=
ter and when they are?  Also, I'm open to any suggestions anyone could pa=
ss along that would be worth knowing as I'm starting out.

One question I've been pondering.  With minimal income, is it best to jus=
t buy a used race bike or convert my current bike into one?  I've got a s=
tock CBRF3 and know it hasn't been dogged, but wouldn't it cost big bucks=
 to get it up to par?  I would definitely want to replace things like the=
 suspension, plastic, tires, exhaust, etc.  I read that it might be worth=
 it to have someone who knows what they're doing set the bike up and then=
 as I learn deal with more on my own?  Is a 600 even too big to start on?=
  I'm 6'1" and 210 so I don't imagine I would fit well with a 250.

How much money should I expect to put in to get me going?  Granted, this =
is just a hobby to keep me off the streets away from all the cages, cops,=
 and pedestrians, but like Laura has said, I will get hooked and figure I=
 might as well do it right.  I have a friend who plans on getting into ra=
cing next season so I can mooch off him with tools, trailering, etc.

Any tips would be appreciated!  Hope to meet some of you soon at the next=
 Bike Night or race weekend.

-Chayne

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<HTML><BODY STYLE=3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>Hey All,</DIV>=
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ne suggest which ones would be better and when they are?&nbsp; Also, I'm =
open to any suggestions anyone could pass along that would be worth knowi=
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ce bike or convert&nbsp;my current bike into one?&nbsp; I've got a stock =
CBRF3 and know it hasn't been dogged, but wouldn't it cost big bucks to g=
et it up to par?&nbsp; I would definitely want to replace things like the=
 suspension, plastic, tires, exhaust, etc.&nbsp; I read that it might be =
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p and then as I learn deal with more on my own?&nbsp; Is a 600 even too b=
ig to start on?&nbsp; I'm 6'1" and 210 so I don't imagine I would fit wel=
l with a 250.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>How much money should I expect=
 to put in to get me going?&nbsp; Granted, this is just a hobby to keep m=
e off the streets away from all the cages, cops, and pedestrians, but lik=
e Laura has said, I will get hooked and figure I might as well do it righ=
t.&nbsp; I have a friend who plans on getting into racing next season so =
I can mooch off him with tools, trailering, etc.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> =
<DIV>Any tips would be appreciated!&nbsp; Hope to meet some of you soon a=
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Friend of mine is selling his bike...

<94 Honda CBR 1000F Great shape! Plenty of sport with comfort to boot. 11,000
miles
$4,750 (703) 435-0993 Please leave message.>

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From: "Gary Foreman" <fj1100@XXXXXX>
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http://www.2wheeljunkie.com/photos/racephotos/010610/010610.htm


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Larry,

Real nice, dickhead. (Remember, you started the namecalling) How on earth
would you be breaking the law by not yielding when you're already going the
legal speed limit? It's guys like you who foster a double standard for the
behavior of cops and make them feel like they're above the laws that they're
sworn to uphold. No wonder so many people dislike them and no wonder I now
dislike you. I guess in your mind, assualt with a deadly weapon is okay as
long as a cop does it to give out "hints". You are such a fucking tool.

Chris Weaver


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> In Virginia, it's illegal to flash your high beams to indicate
> you want to pass. It's also illegal to not yield to faster
> traffic, regardless of how fast you *think* you're travelling.
> When's the last time you had your speedo or cruise
> control calibrated?
>
> You should probably consider yourself lucky you didn't
> come up against one who'd give your rear fender a little
> nudge -- just as a hint, of course.
>
> Don't tweak the bears, asshole. Jerks like you just
> make it tougher for the rest of us.
>
> -- Larry




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Generally speaking, go to a gas station.  They have no incentive to find 
things "wrong" that aren't.  But call around---not all car inspection 
places are certified for bikes.

--garcia

On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Ulrich Boser wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I want to get my recently purchased motorcycle inspected in MD. Anyone have 
> any recommendations on where to go? CyclesUSA is saying that I have to call 
> at 10 am in the morning to see if they have any cancellations. Very 
> aggravating. Any other places?? Thanks,
> 
> Ulrich
> Ps. Didnt make bike night - I was at the beach. But DC is the place to have 'em.
> 

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Nice camera work there Gary !

I could only wish mine come out half as good.

Niv
BMW F650ST

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Foreman [mailto:fj1100@XXXXXX]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 9:13 PM
To: DC-Cycles Mailing List; Dccycles2
Subject: Summit Point Sunday photos


http://www.2wheeljunkie.com/photos/racephotos/010610/010610.htm


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Coming out of lurk mode for the first time to post about my recent
experience at a Summit Point track day.  Below is what I wrote to NESBA:

I recently participated in a track day at Summit Point under NESBA
sponsorship.  I took advantage of your free "first timer" offer which is a
really great idea for attracting new riders to your organization.  I had a
great time zooming around the track at hyper speeds....until the last lap of
the morning session when I failed to make turn 1.  I made the proverbial
rookie mistake of misjudging my entry speed.  During all three session that
morning, there was always someone in front of me to follow into the turns.
As a novice, I wasn't aware of the significance of entry speed and braking
points.  Since I was just following the pack all morning, I had no idea what
my speed was going into the corners.  As luck would have it, I found myself
going into turn 1 on the final lap of the morning session with no riders in
front of me.  I braked hard as I had all morning, but apparently didn't
scrub off enough speed.  Going into the turn too hot, I quickly realize I
wasn't going to make it, so I decided to just stand the bike up and ride
into the run-off area.  Going from pavement to grass, the bike remained
upright and I was still in control of the bike.  I was thinking, "Good,
everything is OK and I'll just slow down gradually."  Everything was OK
until a huge mud puddle appeared out of nowhere.  I knew I couldn't steer on
the grass, so in I went.  The bike went down and I went tumbling.  I figure
my speed was down to about 30-40 MPH when I hit the mud hole, so my fall was
relatively soft, just minor bumps and bruises.  The bike sustained major
plastic damage but nothing structural.  I was trucked back to my pit area.
I hosed off the bike (and me) and was able to ride home.
	Lesson learned:  Gotta know your entry speed and braking points,
especially at turn 1.  Can't just be a sheep and follow the herd cause you
won't know what to do when the herd isn't there to follow.  During the
beginner's class session, NESBA members pointed out many of the do's and
don'ts of track riding, but this is one really bad scenario that wasn't
emphasize enough to first timers.
	I enjoyed my time on the track, but it ticks me off that I did what
I was suppose to do to bail out of a bad situation just to be blind sided by
a stupid mud hole!  Just bad luck I guess.  Oh well, get the bike fixed and
sign up for the next track day!

Steve
95 VFR


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HJas anyone seen the Classic Rock 94.7 web site? They
have an extensive list of motorcycle events from ABATE
to WOW. Can we get our stuff on there?

http://www.classicrock947.com/wheel.html



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Michael J. wrote...
>
> On your Savage, you're safe from the appelation,
although I've seen some
> very
> nice cafe racers based on the Savage...
>

Oooo yeah.  The Snortin. :)

http://www.vintagethunder.com/snorton.html

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Tis also illegal to pass on the right, got me a tickee for that meny moons ago
but the circumstances were a *little* bit dicey - I used the shoulder :-)

Bill

Larry Larson wrote:

> In Virginia, it's illegal to flash your high beams to indicate
> you want to pass. It's also illegal to not yield to faster
> traffic, regardless of how fast you *think* you're travelling.
> When's the last time you had your speedo or cruise
> control calibrated?
>
> You should probably consider yourself lucky you didn't
> come up against one who'd give your rear fender a little
> nudge -- just as a hint, of course.
>
> Don't tweak the bears, asshole. Jerks like you just
> make it tougher for the rest of us.
>
> -- Larry
>
> At 06:16 PM 6/13/01, Ledford, Calvin wrote:
> >What's wrong with electronic cruise controls anyway?  I've got one on my
> >Viffer and it works great - really pissed off a Fairfax County LEO last week
> >with it.  Got on the County PW and was tooling along in the left lane at
> >50MPH (the limit) and he tried the old "ride his butt till he lets my
> >important ass by so that I can ILLEGALLY speed while not responding to a
> >call for service..." (Everyone KNOWS that you're required to let police by
> >in the left lane anytime you see one there right?) I just turned on the
> >cruise, set it for 49mph, and let the computer handle the tough stuff.  When
> >he finally did pass in the right lane, he gave me a dirty look for not
> >moving...
> >
> >-Calvin


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Well, I do believe VA has a "use left lane for passing only" deal, but I don't
think it's tickatable - but you could get nailed for "obstructing traffic".  In
many states, much to my delight, cruising the left lane without making an
obvious pass is ticketable.  In other states it's just plain rude.

But arry's bumper tagging plan is more than a ticket - I believe that could be
escalated to a felony charge, and it's also more than rude - it's freaky
dangerous road ragious behavior.

I think you're lucky the cop didn't pull you over for a slow, annoying
inspection of your vehicle and papers along with a lecture on VAs keep right
except when passing philosophy.

Bill

Chris Weaver wrote:

> Larry,
>
> Real nice, dickhead. (Remember, you started the namecalling) How on earth
> would you be breaking the law by not yielding when you're already going the
> legal speed limit? It's guys like you who foster a double standard for the
> behavior of cops and make them feel like they're above the laws that they're
> sworn to uphold. No wonder so many people dislike them and no wonder I now
> dislike you. I guess in your mind, assualt with a deadly weapon is okay as
> long as a cop does it to give out "hints". You are such a fucking tool.
>
> Chris Weaver
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Larry Larson <llarson@XXXXXX>
> To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 11:04 PM
> Subject: RE: A funny/scary story from across the pond
>
> > In Virginia, it's illegal to flash your high beams to indicate
> > you want to pass. It's also illegal to not yield to faster
> > traffic, regardless of how fast you *think* you're travelling.
> > When's the last time you had your speedo or cruise
> > control calibrated?
> >
> > You should probably consider yourself lucky you didn't
> > come up against one who'd give your rear fender a little
> > nudge -- just as a hint, of course.
> >
> > Don't tweak the bears, asshole. Jerks like you just
> > make it tougher for the rest of us.
> >
> > -- Larry
>
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ulrich:
sorry for the late reply here.  rick hart at the potomac
village amoco on river road is a buddy of mine and he does
inspections on short notice.



--- Perry Coleman <perrycoleman@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Ulrich,
> 
> Try Cycle Accessory Discounters (CAD) in Gaithersburg.
> 301-977-7188. Keep in 
> mind that most bike shops are flat-out right now. Not too
> many have a lot of 
> idle shop time in the warm months.
> 
> You can also try Montgomery Village Auto Clinic, in
> Montgomery Village. I 
> don't have their number. It's actually a car shop, but
> the owner rides and 
> does some inspections. Good people.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Perry
> 
> >From: Ulrich Boser <uboser@XXXXXX>
> >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> >Subject: Inspection
> >Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:00:04 -0400
> >
> >Hello,
> >
> >I want to get my recently purchased motorcycle inspected
> in MD. Anyone have
> >any recommendations on where to go? CyclesUSA is saying
> that I have to call
> >at 10 am in the morning to see if they have any
> cancellations. Very
> >aggravating. Any other places?? Thanks,


=====
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At 12:54 AM 6/14/2001, Chris Weaver wrote:
>How on earth
>would you be breaking the law by not yielding when you're already going the
>legal speed limit?

My understanding is that the law supercedes the speed limit.  It was 
enacted to stop people from cruising in the passing lane.  If you are going 
80 in a 55 in the left lane, you are obliged to move over for someone 
coming up behind you or that flashes their lights.  The reason the speed 
limit doesn't come into effect is because left lane cruising is dangerous - 
forcing people to pass on the right (possibly with a merge lane) - or 
generating "road rage".  I put it in quotes because the behavior has always 
been there - the media has only found a catchy name for it in the last 
couple of years.

I am pretty sure this was discussed around this time last year.



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At 10:10 PM 6/13/2001, Aaron Ward wrote:
>Anyway, if anybody is interested, let me know.  I live near the 
>Vienna/Fairfax metro station (last stop on the orange line, exit 62 on 
>I-66), and I can meet there in the motorcycle parking area before heading 
>down 66 to Front Royal.  I would say tentatively to meet there at 9:30am, 
>but if that is too late/early I can follow up with another email having 
>the general consensus of what time to meet.

66 to Front Royal!  Ouch!  At least take 55 from Gainesville.  Or head out 
the VA By-way from Warrenton and join Skyline at 211.

I would like to go with you, but I probably shouldn't since I'll be gone 
all next weekend for the Hoot.  Anyone else interested in riding down 6am 
Thursday?  BRP all the way baby!  Yeah!



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From: Larry Larson <llarson@XXXXXX>
Subject: Jerks and cops...Was: A funny/scary story from across the pond
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Chris,

Being called a name you've earned is small penance
for your stupid action. Consider yourself lucky.

As to your surmises below, the logic doesn't hold. Note
my comment about "calibration" -- how do you know you
were actually doing the speed limit? What if you were
actually doing, say, 48 -- which is quite reasonable,
since vehicle speedos are generally at best accurate
within 3%? You're exactly the same as the Montgomery
County jerks who cruise the left lane of 355 at some
speed at or below the speed limit, and then write to the
Post's Dr. Gridlock as though they deserve the Nobel Prize.

As to cops in general, I generally agree with you: some are
undoubtedly decent people, but many are just thugs at heart.
However, the cops are *our* thugs -- they're the thugs on the
side of the supposed good guys (us). Actions like yours just
aggravate the bad apples (not to mention the rest of the public).

So sleep tight, Weaver. Next time you pull one of your stunts,
make doubly sure it's a cop car you're playing with, rather than
some redneck who won't mind a little bumper tag between his
cage or pickup and your two-wheeler. And make sure he knows
who you are, so the penalty doesn't fall to the next innocent
biker who happens along.

-- Larry


At 12:54 AM 6/14/01, Chris Weaver wrote:
>Larry,
>
>Real nice, dickhead. (Remember, you started the namecalling) How on earth
>would you be breaking the law by not yielding when you're already going the
>legal speed limit? It's guys like you who foster a double standard for the
>behavior of cops and make them feel like they're above the laws that they're
>sworn to uphold. No wonder so many people dislike them and no wonder I now
>dislike you. I guess in your mind, assualt with a deadly weapon is okay as
>long as a cop does it to give out "hints". You are such a fucking tool.
>
>Chris Weaver
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Larry Larson <llarson@XXXXXX>
>To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 11:04 PM
>Subject: RE: A funny/scary story from across the pond
>
>
> > In Virginia, it's illegal to flash your high beams to indicate
> > you want to pass. It's also illegal to not yield to faster
> > traffic, regardless of how fast you *think* you're travelling.
> > When's the last time you had your speedo or cruise
> > control calibrated?
> >
> > You should probably consider yourself lucky you didn't
> > come up against one who'd give your rear fender a little
> > nudge -- just as a hint, of course.
> >
> > Don't tweak the bears, asshole. Jerks like you just
> > make it tougher for the rest of us.
> >
> > -- Larry
>
>
>
>
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--- Troutman <mike@XXXXXX> wrote:
> At 10:10 PM 6/13/2001, Aaron Ward wrote:
> >Anyway, if anybody is interested, let me know.  I live
> near the 
> >Vienna/Fairfax metro station (last stop on the orange
> line, exit 62 on 
> >I-66), and I can meet there in the motorcycle parking
> area before heading 
> >down 66 to Front Royal.  I would say tentatively to meet
> there at 9:30am, 
> >but if that is too late/early I can follow up with
> another email having 
> >the general consensus of what time to meet.
> 
> 66 to Front Royal!  Ouch!  At least take 55 from
> Gainesville.  Or head out 
> the VA By-way from Warrenton and join Skyline at 211.

no shit.  and the author should also know that skyline
turns into the brp at ~charlottesville and becomes a much
more enjoyable road (less traffic, higher speed limit).



> I would like to go with you, but I probably shouldn't
> since I'll be gone 
> all next weekend for the Hoot.  Anyone else interested in
> riding down 6am 
> Thursday?  BRP all the way baby!  Yeah!

dude....that is a LOOOONNNNGGGG trip on the brp.  it is
very tough to make good time on that road.  averaging 60
is, in my opinion, hauling arse.  realistically, it's a
2-day trip to the end of it.  the last time todd p. and i
tried this (en route to deals gap), we had to jump off and
slab for 100+ miles to meet our scheduled arrival time. 
you should prepare a backup route or be ready to do so.




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Chayne,

IMO, an F3 is the perfect bike to start on.  In the first half season or so,
the bike will not limit you much.  If for some reason you are in love with
you F3, then you can look for another bike.  I'd concentrate my money on
getting proper safety equipment, then upgrading the suspension and brakes,
then getting the rest of the stuff on the bike.
I bought a well race thrashed F2 as my race bike.  It was already set up.
At 6'3/195, I found that I couldn't even use rearsets reasonably.  I can't
really imagine racing a smaller bike.  The WERA production C class is for
600s with stock exhausts.  Only power mod allowed is jet kit.  Good class to
start in.
As I said, when you first start out, the bike will not limit you much.  Try
it out on your F3.  If you are realistic with yourself, it will be a while
before you reach the limits of even the stock suspension.  As time goes by,
you can upgrade the suspension.  I would really do most of the work
yourself.  You'll have to at the track, so better to get the proper tools
and knowledge.  I changed my first clutch with the bike lying on the ground
in the pits and a race looming in a couple of hours.  Not the ideal
conditions for learning :)

Jay St. Peter



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Just to set the record straight - I was a cop for 6.5 years - in the USAF,
Utah, the Myrtle Beach SC.  In thoses places the is nothing wrong with 1-9
mph under the limit - although in UT a summons written at 10 under.  There
was never anything that said you had to yield to any emergency vehicle NOT
operating emergeny equipmennt.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Larson <llarson@XXXXXX>
To: DC Cycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 8:50 AM
Subject: Jerks and cops...Was: A funny/scary story from across the pond


> Chris,
>
> Being called a name you've earned is small penance
> for your stupid action. Consider yourself lucky.

Hey, dimwit, it wasn't me that held up the cop. Check your facts.

> As to your surmises below, the logic doesn't hold. Note
> my comment about "calibration" -- how do you know you
> were actually doing the speed limit? What if you were
> actually doing, say, 48 -- which is quite reasonable,
> since vehicle speedos are generally at best accurate
> within 3%? You're exactly the same as the Montgomery
> County jerks who cruise the left lane of 355 at some
> speed at or below the speed limit, and then write to the
> Post's Dr. Gridlock as though they deserve the Nobel Prize.

Again, it wasn't me, jackass. I rarely drive the speed limit as I feel it is
usually egregious and arbitrary. And if those cops want to pull sneaky
pranks in order to fill quotas (like driving in unmarked cars and sitting on
people's bumpers to get them to speed up), they deserve all the
pain-in-the-ass civilians they can get.

> As to cops in general, I generally agree with you: some are
> undoubtedly decent people, but many are just thugs at heart.
> However, the cops are *our* thugs -- they're the thugs on the
> side of the supposed good guys (us). Actions like yours just
> aggravate the bad apples (not to mention the rest of the public).

Yet again, it wasn't me. I personally don't give one jolly fuck if I
"aggravate the bad apples" or not. They deserve it, and their illegal
actions will eventually come back to bite them on the ass. But the point is
moot - I didn't do it.

> So sleep tight, Weaver. Next time you pull one of your stunts,
> make doubly sure it's a cop car you're playing with, rather than
> some redneck who won't mind a little bumper tag between his
> cage or pickup and your two-wheeler. And make sure he knows
> who you are, so the penalty doesn't fall to the next innocent
> biker who happens along

God, you're thick, Larry. You based your whole email on the idea that I was
the one that blocked the cop. Jeez, read the emails more carefully if you're
going to write such long replies. Also, don't tell me how to ride. If I want
to endanger myself, that's up to me.

Thanks for your helpful contribution to the list.

Chris Weaver


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Subject: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond
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I fail to see how this fosters a double standard for cops: he said
yield to faster traffic, NOT faster LEOs.  Otherwise, 4 guys abreast
could drive 55 on the belt and completely screw traffic (not that this
doesn't happen.)  As for the namecalling, I fully agree that anyone who
drives at, let alone below the limit in the left lane without yielding
is a complete asshole.

Todd

--- Chris Weaver <chris_vtr@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Larry,
> 
> Real nice, dickhead. (Remember, you started the namecalling) How on
> earth
> would you be breaking the law by not yielding when you're already
> going the
> legal speed limit? It's guys like you who foster a double standard
> for the
> behavior of cops and make them feel like they're above the laws that
> they're
> sworn to uphold. No wonder so many people dislike them and no wonder
> I now
> dislike you. I guess in your mind, assualt with a deadly weapon is
> okay as
> long as a cop does it to give out "hints". You are such a fucking
> tool.
> 
> Chris Weaver
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Larry Larson <llarson@XXXXXX>
> To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 11:04 PM
> Subject: RE: A funny/scary story from across the pond
> 
> 
> > In Virginia, it's illegal to flash your high beams to indicate
> > you want to pass. It's also illegal to not yield to faster
> > traffic, regardless of how fast you *think* you're travelling.
> > When's the last time you had your speedo or cruise
> > control calibrated?
> >
> > You should probably consider yourself lucky you didn't
> > come up against one who'd give your rear fender a little
> > nudge -- just as a hint, of course.
> >
> > Don't tweak the bears, asshole. Jerks like you just
> > make it tougher for the rest of us.
> >
> > -- Larry
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Huh? Rt 355 is not an Interstate, or other "limited-access" highway. It is a 
surface street, with cross streets. Right turns and left turns are common. 
There is no "rule" about "keeping right, except to pass" on a road like 355.

>From: Larry Larson <llarson@XXXXXX>
>To: "DC Cycles" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
>Subject: Jerks and cops...Was: A funny/scary story from across the pond
>Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:50:01 -0400
>
[snip]
>... You're exactly the same as the Montgomery
>County jerks who cruise the left lane of 355 at some
>speed at or below the speed limit, and then write to the
>Post's Dr. Gridlock as though they deserve the Nobel Prize.
>
[snip]

Who's the jerk?

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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:08:13 -0500
Subject: Re: Wannabe Roadracer

How about renting a race bike? $150 to $200 a day. Or if you want to do this more often, buy a fractional share in the bike for the season like you do airplanes. It's a GS500E and you'll have a blast on it. It's light, nimble and not at all scary with only 43hp on tap. And while yes you will lose the drag races down the straights with the 600cc supersports it's IMO lots more fun to make that up in the next few turns. You're going to track days to learn how to ride, afterall, aren't you? Going like a streak of lighting in a straightline is so weak.

All I ask is that if you crash it, you pay for the parts to fix it. I do my own labor so you don't have to pay a shop to do the work for me. I also get my parts discounted than what you'd pay for here in the immediate N. VA region.

Doing up your own bike is going to cost you major $$$$ (1500 easy) if you're going to get fancy. But quite honestly you can take your street ride to the track and have all the fun you can handle. The question becomes do you want to run the chance of losing your only bike to a crash and the weeks of repairs. And further do you want to explore the limits of your stock configuration or do you want to see what a real race-bike is capable of? 

Shoot, I took my very^2 high milage HOnda Nighthawk 750 to the track on Monday. All I did was strip the lights off and put in the long overdue fork springs. Was great. But this is a bike that's cheap to fix, has lots of options at salvage yards etc. And no plastic. And I wouldn't cry too hard if I had an incident.

cycle Sport's day was fun if a little disorganized and short this last time. And I wish the A riders would quit crashing so much. Us newbies shouldn't get the real short end of the stick because of their fuck-up's.
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Well I agree. I certainly woudn't hang around in the left lane if the next
lane over is clear anyway. My point was just that I don't think it's
illegal. If you're a strict, follow every law to the T type, then it's
irrelevant, however, because you'd never come up behind such a person
anyway. The fact that the cop DID come up behind him proves the cop was
breaking the law previous to that. I have no respect for hypocritical cops -
If they're going to enforce idiotic speed limits, they deserve crap like
this.

Chris

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> As for the namecalling, I fully agree that anyone who
> drives at, let alone below the limit in the left lane without yielding
> is a complete asshole.



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>I fully agree that anyone who
>drives at, let alone below the limit in the left lane without yielding
>is a complete asshole.

Not to mention in violation of Virginia Code

Michael J.

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> Went to Summit Point last weekend and had a blast watching.  Now I'm ready 
to 
> hit my first track days.  Can anyone suggest which ones would be better and 
> when they are?  Also, I'm open to any suggestions anyone could pass along 
> that would be worth knowing as I'm starting out.

Pick up a copy of Keith Code's books.  Twist of the Wrist 1 & 2.  They are 
pretty much considered to be the bible when it comes to roadracing.  Once you 
get the basics down....then you can go on to other books with different 
riding techniques.
I would also recommend taking a class geared at improving high speed skills.
  
>  One question I've been pondering.  With minimal income, is it best to just 
> buy a used race bike or convert my current bike into one?  I've got a stock 
> CBRF3 and know it hasn't been dogged, but wouldn't it cost big bucks to get 
> it up to par?  I would definitely want to replace things like the 
suspension, 
> plastic, tires, exhaust, etc.  I read that it might be worth it to have 
> someone who knows what they're doing set the bike up and then as I learn 
deal 
> with more on my own?  Is a 600 even too big to start on?  I'm 6'1" and 210 
so 
> I don't imagine I would fit well with a 250.

But a used lightweight bike.  Since you mention being on a tight 
budget....this would get you the best bang for your buck.  Larger bore bikes 
cost more to maintain on a weekly (and crash) basis.  I would suggest you 
find a nice inexpensive FZR400 and go learn.  It will certainly be cheaper on 
tires.  They should last up to 3 weekends.  On my SV700 and/or YZF-R6 they 
last 1 weekend....and sometimes not even that long.  
  
>  How much money should I expect to put in to get me going?  Granted, this 
is 
> just a hobby to keep me off the streets away from all the cages, cops, and 
> pedestrians, but like Laura has said, I will get hooked and figure I might 
as 
> well do it right.  I have a friend who plans on getting into racing next 
> season so I can mooch off him with tools, trailering, etc.

Thousands.  Sorry....but that's the reality.  Leathers, Helmets, back 
protectors, boots, tires, gas, race bits for the bike, the bike itself, race 
entries, etc....it adds up quickly.  It gets even worse if you travel to 
tracks further away.  My racing partner and I figure at least $1,000 a 
weekend for tracks further than 1-2 hours.  And that's ONLY for the basics.  
(Tires, race gas, travel expenses, food, race entries, hotels, etc....)  If 
you wreck the costs go up exponentially.  I believe that I had a $15K + 
weekend last July due to a nasty wreck.  5K to basically replace the rear end 
of the R6, $1200 in basic weekend expenses, and another $10K plus in hospital 
bills.  (If you don't have medical insurance that's very good...you should 
NOT be on a track.)
  
>  Any tips would be appreciated!  Hope to meet some of you soon at the next 
> Bike Night or race weekend.

Let meknow if this helps.  I'm ALWAYS willing to help somebody get into the 
most addicting sport known to mankind!!!

Keener

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---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Chris Weaver" <chris_vtr@XXXXXX>
>How on earth
>would you be breaking the law by not yielding when you're already going the
>legal speed limit? It's guys like you who foster a double standard for the
>behavior of cops and make them feel like they're above the laws that they're
>sworn to uphold. 


No double standard necessary - here's the law:

M-' 46.2-842. Driver to give way to overtaking vehicle. 

Except when overtaking and passing on the right is permitted, the driver of an overtaken vehicle shall give way to the right in favor of the overtaking vehicle on audible signal and shall not increase the speed of his vehicle until completely passed by the overtaking vehicle. 

[source http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-842]

Chris Norloff




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Let me get this straight.  You can't use your high beams to signal your
intent to pass, you have to use your HORN?   Oh, that makes loads of
sense.

Todd


--- Chris Norloff <cnorloff@XXXXXX> wrote:
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> M-' 46.2-842. Driver to give way to overtaking vehicle.
> 
> Except when overtaking and passing on the right is permitted, the
> driver of an overtaken vehicle shall give way to the right in favor
> of the overtaking vehicle on audible signal and shall not increase
> the speed of his vehicle until completely passed by the overtaking
> vehicle.
> 
> [source http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-842]
> 
> Chris Norloff

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>In Virginia, it's illegal to flash your high beams to indicate
>you want to pass.

Wrong. Virginia law states otherwise. Don't believe me? Let's 
ask.....the CODE OF VIRGINIA! Law of the Land, come on down!

" M-' 46.2-842.1. Drivers to give way to certain overtaking vehicles on 
divided highways.

It shall be unlawful to fail to give way to overtaking traffic when 
driving a motor vehicle to the left and abreast of another motor 
vehicle on a divided highway. On audible or light signal, the driver 
of the overtaken vehicle shall move to the right to allow the 
overtaking vehicle to pass as soon as the overtaken vehicle can 
safely do so. A violation of this section shall not be construed as 
negligence per se in any civil action. "

Light signal? What ever could they mean? Maybe throwing low-fat food? 
That's "light" right? Or maybe they meant flashing your 
high-beams....ya think?


>It's also illegal to not yield to faster
>traffic,

This is true.

>Don't tweak the bears, asshole. Jerks like you just
>make it tougher for the rest of us.

No, jerks just make it tougher on themselves. You should know what 
that's like right about now, eh? I don't have anything against 
flaming people, or being flamed myself. But I don't believe in 
irresponsible flaming....like, flaming the WRONG PERSON. I think 
rank-amateurs need to sit back and observe before jumping into the 
fray.







-- 
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skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
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'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
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In a message dated 6/14/01 7:30:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
SMeredith@XXXXXX writes:

>   I enjoyed my time on the track, but it ticks me off that I did what
>  I was suppose to do to bail out of a bad situation just to be blind sided 
by
>  a stupid mud hole!  Just bad luck I guess.  Oh well, get the bike fixed and
>  sign up for the next track day!

Pick up a copy of Keith Code's Twist of the Wrist.  Believe it or not....most 
times you can actually make the turn.  The only thing holding you back are 
survival reactions.  (Tightening up on the bars, not steering, fixating on 
the place you don't want to go, etc.)  The books should help a lot.

Keener

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<Motorcycle is most commonly of the supersport (600 cc sportbike) class,
though there
has been a rash of squidious beemerfile recently [2 spotted in the last
week! what's up with that?].>

They're paid plants -- it's really a clandestine BMW marketing ploy, trying
to prove that not all beemer riders are old fart, iron butt types.  =8^P

Mark Neblett
Fairfax, VA
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'00 BMW K12LTC
'01 BMW R1150GS (hers, too!)
ex-'75 BMW R75/6
ex-'76 BMW R90/6
ex-'78 BMW R100/7
ex-'79 BMW R100S
ex-'00 BMW F650GS
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(see a pattern here?)

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Basic Rules for Driving in Northern VA


1.	Turn signals will give away your next move. A real
Northern VA driver never uses them.


2.	Under no circumstances should you leave a safe
distance between you and the car in front of you, or
the space will be filled in by somebody else, putting
you in an even more dangerous situation.


3.	Crossing two or more lanes in a single lane change
is considered going with the flow.


4.	The faster you drive through a red light, the
smaller the chance you have of getting hit.


5.	Never, ever come to a complete stop at a stop sign.
No one expects it and it will inevitably result in you
being rear-ended. If you want your insurance company
to pay for a new rear bumper, come to a complete stop
at all stop signs.


6.	A right lane construction closure is just a game to
see how many people can cut in line by passing you on
the right as you sit in the left lane waiting for the
same jerks to squeeze their way back in before hitting
the orange and white barricades.


7.	Braking is to be done as hard and late as possible
to ensure that your ABS kicks in, giving a nice,
relaxing foot massage as the brake pedal pulsates.    
 For those of you without ABS, itM-^Rs a chance to
stretch your legs.


8.	Never pass on the left when you can pass on the
right. ItM-^Rs a good way to scare people entering the
highway.


9.	Speed limits are arbitrary figures, given only as
suggestions and are apparently not enforceable in the
Northern VA area during rush hour.


10.	Just because youM-^Rre in the left lane and have no
room to speed up or move over doesnM-^Rt mean that a
Northern VA driver flashing his high beams behind you
doesnM-^Rt think he can go faster in your spot.


11.	Please remember that there is no such thing as a
shortcut during rush-hour traffic in Northern VA.


12.	Always slow down and rubberneck when you see an
accident or even someone changing a tire.


13.	Learn to swerve abruptly. Northern VA is the home
of high-speed slalom driving thanks to the VDOT, which
puts potholes in key locations to test driversM-^R
reflexes and keep them on their toes.


14.	It is traditional in Northern VA to honk your horn
at cars that donM-^Rt move the instant the light changes.


15.	Never take a green light at face value. Always
look right and left before proceeding.


16.	Remember that the goal of every Northern VA driver
is to get there first, by whatever means necessary.


17.	Real Northern VA female drivers can put on
pantyhose and apply eye makeup at seventy-five miles
per hour or in bumper-to-bumper traffic.


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I don't think these got posted yet.  The first says you have to move to the 
right for faster traffic.  Note that it specifically says that this is not 
relative to the speed limit, but rather the flow of traffic.


  M-' 46.2-804. Special regulations applicable on highways laned for traffic.
Statute text
Whenever any roadway has been divided into clearly marked lanes for traffic, 
drivers of vehicles shall obey the following:  
1. Any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the 
time and place and under the conditions existing, shall be driven in the lane 
nearest the right edge or right curb of the highway when such lane is 
available for travel except when overtaking and passing another vehicle or in 
preparation for a left turn or where right lanes are reserved for slow-moving 
traffic as permitted in this section;  


This one gives the rules for when you are allowed to pass on the right.

 M-' 46.2-841. When overtaking vehicle may pass on right.
Statute text
A.  The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass to the right of another 
vehicle only:  
1. When the overtaken vehicle is making or about to make a left turn, and its 
driver has given the required signal;  
2. On a highway with unobstructed pavement, not occupied by parked vehicles, 
of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving vehicles in each 
direction;  
3. On a one-way street or on any one-way roadway when the roadway is free 
from obstructions and of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving 
vehicles.  
B.  The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle on the 
right only under conditions permitting such movement in safety. Except where 
driving on paved shoulders is permitted by lawfully placed signs, no such 
movement shall be made by driving on the shoulder of the highway or off the 
pavement or main traveled portion of the roadway. 


Fred Grefe
GTS1000

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From: "William J. Huson (by way of Larry Larson <llarson@XXXXXX>)"

>But arry's bumper tagging plan is more than a ticket - I believe that could
be
>escalated to a felony charge, and it's also more than rude - it's freaky
>dangerous road ragious behavior.

Not a plan at all, just an oblique reference to the cop who killed the biker
recently in that well-publicized case -- where was it, South Carolina? -- by
simply crunching him against the center barrier.

-- Larry
,

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I must apologize. In light of the recent posts I realize that my comments are 
not appropriate without this ammendment.

Hey you bunch of lazy m-fers.  Why don't you take 2 seconds to look up the 
statutes before you start talking out your asses.  I realize that some of you 
aren't IT geeks, but through the magic of Google, you too can find your way 
around.  

Fred Grefe
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I don't think these got posted yet.  The first says you have to move to the=20
right for faster traffic.  Note that it specifically says that this is not=20
relative to the speed limit, but rather the flow of traffic.


  =A7 46.2-804. Special regulations applicable on highways laned for traffic=
.
Statute text
Whenever any roadway has been divided into clearly marked lanes for traffic,=
=20
drivers of vehicles shall obey the following: =20
1. Any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the=20
time and place and under the conditions existing, shall be driven in the lan=
e=20
nearest the right edge or right curb of the highway when such lane is=20
available for travel except when overtaking and passing another vehicle or i=
n=20
preparation for a left turn or where right lanes are reserved for slow-movin=
g=20
traffic as permitted in this section; =20


This one gives the rules for when you are allowed to pass on the right.

 =A7 46.2-841. When overtaking vehicle may pass on right.
Statute text
A.  The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass to the right of another=20
vehicle only: =20
1. When the overtaken vehicle is making or about to make a left turn, and it=
s=20
driver has given the required signal; =20
2. On a highway with unobstructed pavement, not occupied by parked vehicles,=
=20
of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving vehicles in each=20
direction; =20
3. On a one-way street or on any one-way roadway when the roadway is free=20
from obstructions and of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving=20
vehicles. =20
B.  The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle on the=20
right only under conditions permitting such movement in safety. Except where=
=20
driving on paved shoulders is permitted by lawfully placed signs, no such=20
movement shall be made by driving on the shoulder of the highway or off the=20
pavement or main traveled portion of the roadway.=20


Fred Grefe
GTS1000

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From: Dale Horstman <the.horkster@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: A funny/scary story from across the pond
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"William J. Huson" wrote:

> I think you're lucky the cop didn't pull you over for a slow, annoying
> inspection of your vehicle and papers along with a lecture on VAs keep right
> except when passing philosophy.

You know, on a semi-related note, it is really frustrating to see a 
"Student Driver" vehicle hogging the left hand lane.  Nothing like teaching
new drivers bad habits right from the get-go.  :(

Think I'd be guilty of road rage if I stopped the vehicle, and dragged
the instructor out of the passenger side window for a brief consultation?
Would a jury convict me?  :)

Horkster

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-I am not sure what is going on, but what I do know is that I
-plan on getting here earlier to make sure that I get a spot, and if not I
am
-going to try and park over at McPherson park

Hey!  Don't come over here clogging up our spaces with your ticketed ass!
:-)

Actually, they've started ticketing us too.  A co-worker just got one
because on the one side of the spaces, it's a bus zone.  Something like a
$75 fine??  Ouch.  We're full on nice days and I've had to park outside the
signs on many an occasion, but managed to escape the evil metermaids.

There is metered MC parking over on the NE corner of Lafayette Park on the
corner of H and Vermont that is NEVER used, or checked (for some reason?).
I've also parked there with no money and gotten no tickets.  I'm such a
scofflaw.

Mike 
'96 VFR

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sean Jordan (by way of Larry Larson <llarson@XXXXXX>)"
<sean.jordan@XXXXXX>
    But I don't believe in
    irresponsible flaming....like, flaming the WRONG PERSON. I think
    rank-amateurs need to sit back and observe before jumping into the
    fray.

Nor do I, and Chris Weaver hereby get a sincere apology from me. I messed up
in cutting-and-pasting in Hotmail from two emails trying to re-title and
take the legal discussion to a new thread.

As to Sean's "rank amateur's" crack, I've been an active participant in
Usenet-style flame wars since years before there was a Usenet.

Again, Chris, sorry for my error.

-- Larry





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>I must apologize. In light of the recent posts I realize that my comments are
>not appropriate without this ammendment.
>
>Hey you bunch of lazy m-fers.  Why don't you take 2 seconds to look up the
>statutes before you start talking out your asses.  I realize that some of you
>aren't IT geeks, but through the magic of Google, you too can find your way
>around.

Yes, YES! You guys are learning! Soon, very soon, DC-Cycles will be a 
real list again! Huzzah!



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On/Off Ramps (freeways): this one gets me.  Traffic seems to flow better
if the exiting vehicles (the one's needing to slow anyway) yield to
those entering (needing to accelerate to speed).  Yet it's posted and
learned the other way.  In this situation, I applaud the violators.
Drivers of the right lane should yield to traffic entering the
interstate, instead many speed up only to cut you off.

Bob
'97 VFR (4-sale)
'89 HawkGT


> 6.      A right lane construction closure is just a game to
> see how many people can cut in line by passing you on
> the right as you sit in the left lane waiting for the
> same jerks to squeeze their way back in before hitting
> the orange and white barricades.


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OK guys... this is a rant... but I think its deserved.

Before anyone criticizes anyone for doing "only" the speed limit on the 
Fairfax County Parkway... read this. The FCPW (and connecting 
Springfield-Franconia Parkway)may be one of the most dangerous roads built 
in the last 20 years. It runs less than a quarter mile from my house so I 
went to enough planning sessions to become a bit of an expert about it. 
Nobody should be doing more than the speed limit on this thing. I don't care 
what lane you are in or if some ass-wipe (cop or otherwise) is riding your 
ass. Its nuts. The Fairfax County Parkway is dangerous because it's a big, 
bad, nasty, political compromise. It should have been an interstate, but no 
one wants an interstate in their backyard anymore. It was built with county 
and private funds (unlike most every other road in VA), so it was built on 
the cheap.  This is a  road that has very spectacular (and deadly) accidents 
resulting from poorly marked stop lights, blind and poorly banked curves, 
stop lights on curves, stoplights at the bottom of steep inclines, short 
entry and exit ramps, and lots of cross traffic. Finally it was built to be 
over crowded almost from the year it opened.  The 50 MPH speed limit (itself 
a compromise) is too fast in some places and too slow in others.  People  
ride in the left lane to turn left and because there isn't enough room to 
pull into the right lane (someone's in the right lane all ready). Then add 
in the fact that the cops are all over this thing trying to get people to 
stop doing 60 - 75 mph or worse. I've seen nuts doing 75 mph on this road.  
Near Burke Lake at a stop light a few months ago some moron was doing "only" 
60 when he rear-ended a car at a light killing everyone.

This is NOT I-95, the B-W Parkway or even the G-W Parkway... this road is a 
glorified main street through residential and commercial areas, with a poor 
design and unpredictably heavy traffic. Between Pohick Road and Burke 50 MPH 
is too fast, but that is the speed limit. Being in the left lane and doing 
"only" 50 is par for the course.

I'm tired of idiots who think they should rule this road riding my ass at 50 
or 55 mph, no matter what lane I am in. I'd love it if they'd go kill 
themselves in another spectacular accident, but they'd most likely also take 
out someonee's wife and kids waiting at the next stoplight around the next 
blind curve.  SLOW DOWN. BACK OFF!!!! THIS ISN'T A CLOSED TRACK.


>From: MJordan666@XXXXXX
>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
>Subject: Re: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond
>Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:23:27 EDT
>
> >I fully agree that anyone who
> >drives at, let alone below the limit in the left lane without yielding
> >is a complete asshole.
>
>Not to mention in violation of Virginia Code
>
>Michael J.

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Hey all!
     First, sorry Chuck & Mark, Icouldn't make it to the last bike nite
because I was ........moving into my new house!!  Yea!  It's my first, 
American Dream, hook, line, & sinker, etc.

     Jordan, Anker, & Gimer flame war, love it.  The list was really getting
boring.  I've been on this list going on 3 yrs. now and I'm really getting
tired of the tire, oil, parking space/tix, etc threads.  A little trouble is
always fun.  Besides Gimer is always at his best after someone or something
has gotten under his skin.  </me read read read LOL read read "oh good word"
read read read>   

    Group Rides, MOFO's vs. DC Cycles.  I've had the privilage of riding
with both groups.  I've only been on the more recent (read last year) DC-C
rides and got to miss out on the early carnage that seemed to happen.  The
main difference is that because DC-C is a more public group, and is easier
to find, they will attract a more questionably skilled rider.  By the same
token this is also where those same riders will learn the skills that they
need to ride safely, both in groups and alone.  All in all there are riders
in both groups that are good solid riders.   I made the mistake last year of
leading a "mid paced"  ride.  I won't do that again for a long time for the
simple fact that I was intimiated by the riders right behind me.  I knew
they where far more skilled than me and so I rode fastere than I had planned
tring to keep it "interesting" for them.  In the end I just did excactly the
opposite.  I have ridden with the MOFO's on more than one occasion, and
given my druthers, would prefer to ride with them again.  The reason being
that the groups are smaller, and overall they are a more skilled bunch.  But
in the end both group serve a particular purpose, and satisfy a particular
need in in the motorcycling community. 

     That all being said it's time for new tires.  D205's?  The GPz is
550lbs.+ and I frequently ride 2 up.  The D207 were *really* nice but went
away too fast.  I've run MEz4's but they're a little hard for the farm road
bombing runs.  Ive given up trying to take weight off this pig and am saving
my pennies for a superhawk

/me crawls back under my rock 
   
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I feel the same way.  It'd  be nice if the DC/MD/VA region had the same traffic
laws and 1 strict driver certification program (driving instructors included).

Bob
'97 VFR (4-sale)
'89 HawkGT

Dale Horstman wrote:

> "William J. Huson" wrote:
>
> > I think you're lucky the cop didn't pull you over for a slow, annoying
> > inspection of your vehicle and papers along with a lecture on VAs keep right
> > except when passing philosophy.
>
> You know, on a semi-related note, it is really frustrating to see a
> "Student Driver" vehicle hogging the left hand lane.  Nothing like teaching
> new drivers bad habits right from the get-go.  :(
>
> Think I'd be guilty of road rage if I stopped the vehicle, and dragged
> the instructor out of the passenger side window for a brief consultation?
> Would a jury convict me?  :)
>
> Horkster
>
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Please remove me from the list.

I'm on 3 other motorcycling lists. They all have their digressions and 
tangents, but at least those lists are mainly about motorcycling. This list 
seems to be mainly a bunch of people picking fights with each other, describing 
their latest crash, or ranting about politics. 

FYI, out of 60143 total e-mail messages (work and personal) I've received since
Tue Aug 1 00:41:32 2000, dc-cycles consistently ranks the highest in volume of 
any list....with just over 9028 messages. I find it unbelievable and sad how 
little usable content, how little comraderie, and how few good spirits there 
are on the list. Frankly, the tone on the list has actively discouraged me from 
attending group rides and social events. 

I originally came from NYC, an area that's not known for it's hospitality or 
good riding. One of the things I miss about that area was a group called the 
"Sport Touring Motorcycle Club". Without having many rules or silly club 
requirements, I know that I could almost always get a good, fast, safe 200~400 
mile ride on any Sunday. Maybe the more limited riding season and slimmer 
choice of roads forced people to work harder. I'm consistently surprised at the 
lack of regular, informal rides here, and at the destinations (Skyline, 211) 
that seem most popular. I'm consistently surprised at the number of reported 
crashes and tickets. I'm really sorry that otherwise intelligent people don't 
know when to take idiotic threads off the list.

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> You know, on a semi-related note, it is really frustrating to see a 
> "Student Driver" vehicle hogging the left hand lane.  Nothing like teaching
> new drivers bad habits right from the get-go.  :(

I found it excrutiating funny that a student driver was yanked by the State Police last night somewhere on my way home. Probably wasn't going fast enough or something. Who knows. Still, what a way to start off. Maybe it was the instructor's idea to introduce them to 'Officer Friendly' in a benign environment. I wonder who got ticketed, the instructor or the student...Not something you see very often I dare say.

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>I'm tired of idiots who think they should rule this road riding my 
>ass at 50 or 55 mph, no matter what lane I am in. I'd love it if 
>they'd go kill themselves in another spectacular accident, but 
>they'd most likely also take out someonee's wife and kids waiting at 
>the next stoplight around the next blind curve.

I've taken FC Pkwy from Rt. 7 to Springfield, and I've never seen any 
section of road that had a corner so blind that you could't stop in 
time if you were paying attention. I think the people that are having 
accidents (regardless of speed) are probably the type of people the 
just shouldn't be driving. (Not that I advocate speeding or anything. 
Just relating my observations.)



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Doug,

It's tangential to your post, but how is your case against the "lane sharing
Lexus" shaping up?

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Allis <dhallis@XXXXXX>

> OK guys... this is a rant... but I think its deserved.
>
> Before anyone criticizes anyone for doing "only" the speed limit on the
> Fairfax County Parkway... read this. The FCPW (and connecting
> Springfield-Franconia Parkway)may be one of the most dangerous roads


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Not one I was on.

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Dale Horstman said:

You know, on a semi-related note, it is really frustrating to see a 
"Student Driver" vehicle hogging the left hand lane.  Nothing like teaching
new drivers bad habits right from the get-go.  :(

Think I'd be guilty of road rage if I stopped the vehicle, and dragged
the instructor out of the passenger side window for a brief consultation?
Would a jury convict me?  :)


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Mike,

Be careful with the metered spaces. I don't know how closely they check 'em, 
but a few years ago I got a $25.00 ticket at a metered MC space on I street, 
over near 20th. Basically, I was one quarter short and forgot to go back at 
lunchtime and top it off. Came out to find a $25.00 ticket stuck between my 
tank and seat. Meter drone got me somewhere between 5:00pm (when my time ran 
out) and 5:45pm (when I got back to the bike.)

Perry

>From: Michael Lynch <MLynch@XXXXXX>
>To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
>Subject: Parking Tickets
>Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:29:48 -0400
>
[snip]
>There is metered MC parking over on the NE corner of Lafayette Park on the
>corner of H and Vermont that is NEVER used, or checked (for some reason?).
>I've also parked there with no money and gotten no tickets.  I'm such a
>scofflaw.
>
>Mike
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Fair enough. I accept heartily.

Chris

----- Original Message ----- 
> Again, Chris, sorry for my error.
> 
> -- Larry



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Dexter Medley wrote:

> From: "William J. Huson (by way of Larry Larson <llarson@XXXXXX>)"
>
> >But arry's bumper tagging plan is more than a ticket - I believe that could
> be
> >escalated to a felony charge, and it's also more than rude - it's freaky
> >dangerous road ragious behavior.
>
> Not a plan at all, just an oblique reference to the cop who killed the biker
> recently in that well-publicized case -- where was it, South Carolina? -- by
> simply crunching him against the center barrier.
>
> -- Larry
> ,

Coulda been Tenn.  There's a town down thar that has splatted two motorcyclists
- one fatal - and one cage - also a fatal. - with run `em offa the road
tactics.  The town may have too disband their killer poo-leece department -
seems their liability insurance was canceled and not one insurance company is
willing to take them on.

Bill


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Hi y'all,

        All this talk about VDOT statutes had me wondering if Maryland
has it's laws posted in a user friendly fashion. After going up to Lake
George, NY for Americade, and seeing a bunch of Gold Wings all tricked
out with decorative lighting, I picked up a few for my Katana. Now I'm
wondering about the legalities relating to auxiliary lighting. Anyone
got a source?

Steven C. Di Pietro
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National Marketing Coordinator
Suzuki Owners Club USA
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From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" <stevied@XXXXXX>
>        All this talk about VDOT statutes had me wondering if Maryland
>has it's laws posted in a user friendly fashion. After going up to Lake
>George, NY for Americade, and seeing a bunch of Gold Wings all tricked
>out with decorative lighting, I picked up a few for my Katana. Now I'm
>wondering about the legalities relating to auxiliary lighting. Anyone
>got a source?

The Maryland gov't doesn't seem to have put any up
(http://www.mec.state.md.us/)
but Lexis-Nexis has:
http://www.michie.com/resources1.html

In general, anything not specifically allowed on motor vehicles is not allowed, including GoldWing fancy lighting.  Police stops are basically discretionary at that point.

Chris Norloff

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>14.    It is traditional in Northern VA to honk your horn
>at cars that donM-bM-^@M-^Yt move the instant the light changes.

That's what I like about the south - the relaxed pace of life.

In Noo Yawk City, they start honking as the opposing yellow starts to fade.

Michael J.


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I went all the way down to the NC border on the BRP last summer.  I believe 
it was ~8 hours to that point.  Little traffic, and I averaged 60 on the 
BRP.  No deer ;-)

I am anticipating that I may have to cut off the BRP to make it to 
Knoxville by 7:30.  I am allowing 12 hours - leaving at 6:30am and stopping 
in Gatlinburg.  81 to Knoxville is 7.5 hours going 80.  I'll do my best to 
make it ;-)

At 09:35 AM 6/14/01, Tom Gimer wrote:
> > I would like to go with you, but I probably shouldn't
> > since I'll be gone
> > all next weekend for the Hoot.  Anyone else interested in
> > riding down 6am
> > Thursday?  BRP all the way baby!  Yeah!
>
>dude....that is a LOOOONNNNGGGG trip on the brp.  it is
>very tough to make good time on that road.  averaging 60
>is, in my opinion, hauling arse.  realistically, it's a
>2-day trip to the end of it.  the last time todd p. and i
>tried this (en route to deals gap), we had to jump off and
>slab for 100+ miles to meet our scheduled arrival time.
>you should prepare a backup route or be ready to do so.

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Subject: RE: Wannabe Roadracer

Since it came up, let me clarify.

> Matt - are you saying you'd rent your race bike for a day?  Or you're only selling shares? 

Both actually. If I figure say $400 for a share, and you use the bike 3 times in a season you're ahead of having rented it. share owners get precedence if there are scheduling conflicts.
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From: Dale Horstman <the.horkster@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: printed by VDOT(maybe:))
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Trey Herb wrote:

> 14.     It is traditional in Northern VA to honk your horn
> at cars that donM-^Rt move the instant the light changes.

On one of my recent trips to work, I was fuming at
a left-lane hogger that was going at or below the
speed limit on the Prince William Parkway.  There
were cars in the right lane that he was "attempting"
to pass, so there was no way around this idiot.

Anyway, we stopped at a light, and when it turned
green, a big truck in front of him took maybe one-half
second to react to the light.  This yahoo was 
on his horn like he was in a hurry or something.
Incredible!  The sheer irony of it had me laughing 
the rest of the way to work...  :)  It was either
laugh or cry at that point.

Horkster

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>From: "Pflieger, Matthew M." 
>To: "'MJordan666@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX
>Subject: RE: Squids?
>Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:30:56 -0400
>
>4.  Purchase as much leather as possible without
>succumbing to actual
>protection, i.e. chaps, vest, tassels

Are you claiming that chaps offer no protection? 
Granted, they are worthless without a jacket to go
along with them, but some of us are concerned with
abrasion protection for our legs as well.  That being
the case, chaps are much easier to put on over dress
pants on the way to work in the morning than full
pants.

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To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, "D.C.Cycles-L" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>,
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http://www.findlaw.com is also a relatively good FREE
source for state and federal statutes (they are NOT,
however, kept as current as fee-based platforms like
westlaw or lexis)




--- Chris Norloff <cnorloff@XXXXXX> wrote:
> ---------- Original Message
> ----------------------------------
> From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" <stevied@XXXXXX>
> >        All this talk about VDOT statutes had me
> wondering if Maryland
> >has it's laws posted in a user friendly fashion. After
> going up to Lake
> >George, NY for Americade, and seeing a bunch of Gold
> Wings all tricked
> >out with decorative lighting, I picked up a few for my
> Katana. Now I'm
> >wondering about the legalities relating to auxiliary
> lighting. Anyone
> >got a source?
> 
> The Maryland gov't doesn't seem to have put any up
> (http://www.mec.state.md.us/)
> but Lexis-Nexis has:
> http://www.michie.com/resources1.html

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Jeremy,

Chaps are great to protect your legs from stuff getting flung up, or to keep 
brush and brambles from scraping you when you ride your horse into a tight 
spot.

As for motorcycling, they don't offer any protection to one of the more 
delicate, and protuberant, spots of anatomy - namely, your keister. As 
someone who has had the dubious pleasure of parting company with my bike at 
about 30-40 mph and sliding a ways on my tushie, I can attest to the value 
of having something other than just a pair of dress pants between my 
derriere and the highway. Had I been wearing chaps instead of armoured 
riding pants, I'd probably be sitting on skin grafts right now, instead of 
cute (I've been told,) smooth, all original butt skin.

For cool weather riding, I use the Hein Gericke/First Gear overpants 
(armoured, waterproof, textile.) For warm weather riding, I use the First 
Gear summer sport tour overpants (perfed leather.) My next purchase, as soon 
as I lose an inch or so from the waist, is a pair of "dedicated" armoured, 
leather riding pants. The overpants are great for commuting, but I'd like 
something a little more serious for more aggressive backroad riding.

Chaps do look cool, though. And I've heard that they're popular in certain 
bars and clubs around Dupont Circle. Not that there's anything wrong with 
that! ;^)

Perry

>From: Jeremy Purdy <purdyjeremy@XXXXXX>
>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
>Subject: RE: Squids
>Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:37:06 -0700 (PDT)
>
> >From: "Pflieger, Matthew M."
> >To: "'MJordan666@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> >Subject: RE: Squids?
> >Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:30:56 -0400
> >
> >4.  Purchase as much leather as possible without
> >succumbing to actual
> >protection, i.e. chaps, vest, tassels
>
>Are you claiming that chaps offer no protection?
>Granted, they are worthless without a jacket to go
>along with them, but some of us are concerned with
>abrasion protection for our legs as well.  That being
>the case, chaps are much easier to put on over dress
>pants on the way to work in the morning than full
>pants.
>
>Jeremy Purdy
>'00 Yamaha V-Star - Jeade'en
>
>

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Subject: racing classification descriptions

I've looked at the ccs and wera sites and can't find the defintions of all these bike classes. Where do they hide that information?
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I know a few DC Cycles folks are looking for IT work, so I thought I would 
broadcast this position here before we advertise it in the Post.

I am looking for a junior systems administrator to take over some of my 
on-site clients (Potomac, MD and NW DC).  80% of your time would be spent 
in the office doing a wide variety of sysadmin stuff - client 
troubleshooting, NT server maintenance, some web work (maybe a LOT if you 
are good at it), etc.  The office is fairly small (12 people) but the 
company has employees in offices in San Diego, Honolulu and Orlando - plus 
several contact sites including Quantico.  Yes - I have had to go to these 
offices to work a few times - and you may too.  The flight to Hawaii is 
verrrrry long.

I need someone with an MCSE - Win2k preferred, some linux (I will instruct 
and get you to a semi-expert level if necessary), broad client and LAN 
troubleshooting experience and reliable transportation.  Our clients are 
mostly Windoze - couple of Macs, and the majority of the servers are Linux 
(RH 7.1).  We have a 5.5 Mb Internet connection in Reston, and a 100Gb 
fibre link is going in at the end of the summer.

The position hasn't been officially released yet, so I can't guarantee a 
salary.  I can tell you that mid to upper 30s is the starting point, with 
more for experience.  Don't quote me - it isn't official.

No cubes - you get your own window office, free parking, Kaiser, dental, 
401k, etc.

The company does communications engineering, and has been in business since 
1987.  Half the business does telephony - teleport work with Satellites and 
switch maintenance (Hawaii) for the government.  My half does Internet 
services - with some crossover into the Satellite arena.

If you - or any motorcycle riding friends - are interested, email me the 
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In a message dated 6/14/01 3:38:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
pattonme@XXXXXX writes:

> I've looked at the ccs and wera sites and can't find the defintions of all 
> these bike classes. Where do they hide that information?

Uh...in the rulebook.  Sometimes you need to be a lawyer to figure them 
out....but they are there.

CCS 

http://www.formulausa.com/forms/2001SFXRuleBook1.pdf

WERA

http://www.formulausa.com/forms/2001SFXRuleBook1.pdf

Any questions?

Keener

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WERA
http://www.wera.com/pages/rulebook.htm

CCS
http://www.formulausa.com/forms/2001SFXRuleBook1.pdf

AMA

Ha! You've probably got a little ways to go before you're ready for that.

:P

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--- Chris Weaver <chris_vtr@XXXXXX> wrote:
> breaking the law previous to that. I have no respect
> for hypocritical cops -
> If they're going to enforce idiotic speed limits,
> they deserve crap like
> this.
> 
> Chris


You assume all cops enforce idiotic speed limits. You
may not realize this but cops are people just like
everyone else. They realize nobody does 55mph on 495.
Most departments have a policy of NOT ticketing unless
the violator is traveling at least 10 or 15 mph over
the limit.

So if you see a cop moving along at 65mph on I66, they
are not being hypocritical, just realistic.

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Todd Withrow wrote:

> --- Chris Weaver <chris_vtr@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > breaking the law previous to that. I have no respect
> > for hypocritical cops -
> > If they're going to enforce idiotic speed limits,
> > they deserve crap like
> > this.
> >
> > Chris
>
> You assume all cops enforce idiotic speed limits. You
> may not realize this but cops are people just like
> everyone else. They realize nobody does 55mph on 495.
> Most departments have a policy of NOT ticketing unless
> the violator is traveling at least 10 or 15 mph over
> the limit.
>
> So if you see a cop moving along at 65mph on I66, they
> are not being hypocritical, just realistic.

Agreed.  All my interstate tickets were in the 80s, save for one on 385 in Arlington for 70,
but the trooper cut me a few MPH slack.  I've blown radar setups at 10 over and not been
stopped.  Must be my innocent face...

Bill


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In a message dated 6/14/2001 1:22:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
mike@XXXXXX writes:

> I am anticipating that I may have to cut off the BRP to make it to 
>  Knoxville by 7:30.

If this is a Been There Done That for you then ignore the following.
Remember that the BRP ends in Cherokee, not Knoxville. You will then have to 
ride over the Smoky Mountains National Park (Slow in tourist season.) And 
drive quite a few miles after that to get to Knoxville. It is all nice 
riding, but slow.


John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC

Honda ST1100X Pan European
    (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.)
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From: Leon Begeman <mriderleon@XXXXXX>
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--- Todd Withrow <mtwithrow@XXXXXX> wrote:
> You assume all cops enforce idiotic speed limits.

> Most departments have a policy of NOT ticketing
> unless
> the violator is traveling at least 10 or 15 mph over
> the limit.
> 
> So if you see a cop moving along at 65mph on I66,
> they
> are not being hypocritical, just realistic.

BS, they're being hypocritical.  The cops' job is to
enforce the law.  If they believed in what they are
doing, they would do something about it.

If they truly believe that the speed limit should be
60 or 65 or faster on these roads, they can, and
should do something about it.  I have NEVER heard of a
cop requesting that someone be fined for exceeding the
speed limit by 3 mph after being ticketed for 68 in a
55.

I have never heard of an officer on the beltway
stating something to the effect of the speed limit
here is 55, but since the de facto speed is 70, you
should not drive faster than that.  You were going 79,
that was 9 mph faster than you should have been going,
Instead of writing you up for reckless driving, you're
getting a ticket for 64 in a 55.  

The best I could get an officer to admit was that he
wouldn't give me a ticket for 56 in a 55.  When I
asked how fast I would be allowed to go, he repeated
that the speed limit is 55.  That's hypocrisy.  If
they would ticket EVERYONE who goes 56 or faster, the
speed limit would be raised, people wouldn't put up
with that and would demand something be changed. The
cops don't want the speed limit raised, they want to
be allowed to choose who to ticket and let others go.

The cop is the representative of government who
enforces the law.  Just as the soldier is the
representative of the federal government when he is
deployed overseas.  Anything a soldier does reflects
on the US government, anything the cop does or fails
to do reflects on the government he represents.  If
he's going to be a cop then he DAMN WELL HAD BETTER
OBEY THE LAW TO THE LETTER.  If he isn't willing to do
that then he needs to get a different job.

Leon.






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Aaron,

I am gonna ride out I-66 to 29, then take 211 over to Luray Caverns on
Saturday.  So I will be out in Fairfax about 9am.  I just need to be at
the caverns at 11am.  Let me know if ya want to take that ride, or are
going that direction.

Thad

E-mail me back: tgroghan@XXXXXX


On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 06:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Tom Gimer <t_gimer@XXXXXX>
writes:
> --- Troutman <mike@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > At 10:10 PM 6/13/2001, Aaron Ward wrote:
> > >Anyway, if anybody is interested, let me know.  I live
> > near the 
> > >Vienna/Fairfax metro station (last stop on the orange
> > line, exit 62 on 
> > >I-66), and I can meet there in the motorcycle parking
> > area before heading 
> > >down 66 to Front Royal.  I would say tentatively to meet
> > there at 9:30am, 
> > >but if that is too late/early I can follow up with
> > another email having 
> > >the general consensus of what time to meet.
> > 
> > 66 to Front Royal!  Ouch!  At least take 55 from
> > Gainesville.  Or head out 
> > the VA By-way from Warrenton and join Skyline at 211.
> 
> no shit.  and the author should also know that skyline
> turns into the brp at ~charlottesville and becomes a much
> more enjoyable road (less traffic, higher speed limit).
> 
> 
> 
> > I would like to go with you, but I probably shouldn't
> > since I'll be gone 
> > all next weekend for the Hoot.  Anyone else interested in
> > riding down 6am 
> > Thursday?  BRP all the way baby!  Yeah!
> 
> dude....that is a LOOOONNNNGGGG trip on the brp.  it is
> very tough to make good time on that road.  averaging 60
> is, in my opinion, hauling arse.  realistically, it's a
> 2-day trip to the end of it.  the last time todd p. and i
> tried this (en route to deals gap), we had to jump off and
> slab for 100+ miles to meet our scheduled arrival time. 
> you should prepare a backup route or be ready to do so.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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At 04:35 PM 6/14/01, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote:
>If this is a Been There Done That for you then ignore the following.
>Remember that the BRP ends in Cherokee, not Knoxville. You will then have to
>ride over the Smoky Mountains National Park (Slow in tourist season.) And
>drive quite a few miles after that to get to Knoxville. It is all nice
>riding, but slow.

Actually - we are staying in Gatlinburg (in the Smokies) so that is my 
first stop to drop off luggage then head out to Knoxville.

 From Tom's advice, we are going to NOT try and make it all the way down 
the BRP in the 12 hours I have allotted.  Doesn't sound possbile.  We're 
going to superslab it just before the BRP dogs South to save some time.



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          '97 Honda VFR 750
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From: Dale Horstman <the.horkster@XXXXXX>
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"William J. Huson" wrote:

> I've blown radar setups at 10 over and not been
> stopped.  Must be my innocent face...

10 over is a nice, comfortable pace to maintain on the
interstate if you are trying to make time.  Especially
down in North Carolina, where the speed limits are marked
at 70 mph in places.  Wooowhee!  :^)

-- 
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In a message dated 6/14/2001 4:51:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
mike@XXXXXX writes:

> From Tom's advice, we are going to NOT try and make it all the way down 
>  the BRP in the 12 hours I have allotted. 

It was good advice. ENJOY!
To those who have not been there one more word... Be careful entering tunnels 
with a dark shield or sunglasses on, you will not be able to see a damn 
thing. Lots of fun in a curving tunnel.


John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC

Honda ST1100X Pan European
    (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.)
BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles
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It's simple really - in motorcycle accidents it has been shown, time and
time again (please don't make me look this up but I've seen it written and
"performed") that rider's legs usually injure in the ass and/or knees area.
That is why many riderware that is honed towards safety rather than style is
often strengthened in those areas.
Look at race equipment. Look at Draggin Jeans (and similar) - these have
Kevlar only in the ass and knee areas.

Niv
BMW F650ST

>From: Jeremy Purdy <purdyjeremy@XXXXXX>
>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
>Subject: RE: Squids
>Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:37:06 -0700 (PDT)
>
> >From: "Pflieger, Matthew M."
> >To: "'MJordan666@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> >Subject: RE: Squids?
> >Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:30:56 -0400
> >
> >4.  Purchase as much leather as possible without
> >succumbing to actual
> >protection, i.e. chaps, vest, tassels
>
>Are you claiming that chaps offer no protection?
>Granted, they are worthless without a jacket to go
>along with them, but some of us are concerned with
>abrasion protection for our legs as well.  That being
>the case, chaps are much easier to put on over dress
>pants on the way to work in the morning than full
>pants.
>
>Jeremy Purdy
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She convicted of "improper driving", and had to pay a $200.00 fine plus 
"court costs".  She got what she deserved.


>From: "Paul Wilson" <pawilson@XXXXXX>
>To: "Doug Allis" <dhallis@XXXXXX>, <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
>Subject: Re: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond
>Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:16:59 -0400
>
>Doug,
>
>It's tangential to your post, but how is your case against the "lane 
>sharing
>Lexus" shaping up?
>
>Paul in DC
>95 VFR750F
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Doug Allis <dhallis@XXXXXX>
>
> > OK guys... this is a rant... but I think its deserved.
> >
> > Before anyone criticizes anyone for doing "only" the speed limit on the
> > Fairfax County Parkway... read this. The FCPW (and connecting
> > Springfield-Franconia Parkway)may be one of the most dangerous roads
>

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--- "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX> wrote:
> 
> Agreed.  All my interstate tickets were in the 80s,
> save for one on 385 in Arlington for 70,
> but the trooper cut me a few MPH slack.  I've blown
> radar setups at 10 over and not been
> stopped.  Must be my innocent face...
> 
> Bill
> 

The caveat is a school zone. You damn well better slow
down for the young ones. No slack will be cut there.

Todd W.

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Jeremy, you might want to check out First Gear's sport
touring pants.  They unzip all the way up and you can
put them on over your pants and shoes.  I love them! 
:-)

- Jeannette
  '86 VFR 700 F2
  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

> >From: Jeremy Purdy <purdyjeremy@XXXXXX>
> >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> >Subject: RE: Squids
> >Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:37:06 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Are you claiming that chaps offer no protection?
> >Granted, they are worthless without a jacket to go
> >along with them, but some of us are concerned with
> >abrasion protection for our legs as well.  That
> being
> >the case, chaps are much easier to put on over
> dress
> >pants on the way to work in the morning than full
> >pants.
> >
> >Jeremy Purdy
> >'00 Yamaha V-Star - Jeade'en
> 
> 
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It's still hypocritical. When you're in a job to enforce laws, you must
first obey these laws yourself. Like Leon said - as you describe it, cops
make a choice on who to pull over, and it isn't based solely on the offense.
BTW - I don't have a blind hatred of cops, just a frustration with some of
the things they get away with.
I've seen cops drive 85 mph on 270 and 95. As far as I understand the law -
that's illegal unless they have their police lights on.

I've toyed with the idea of fighting a speeding ticket by following that cop
around with a calibrated speedo and video camera  to show the court and
claim that he/she has no business enforcing laws they don't/can't follow.
Remember - in court its the cop's word against yours: They will claim they
clocked you at a certain speed. If they don't follow the law why should
their word be any better than yours ?

Niv
BMW F650ST

--- Todd Withrow <mtwithrow@XXXXXX> wrote:
> You assume all cops enforce idiotic speed limits.

> Most departments have a policy of NOT ticketing
> unless
> the violator is traveling at least 10 or 15 mph over
> the limit.
>
> So if you see a cop moving along at 65mph on I66,
> they
> are not being hypocritical, just realistic.



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--- Leon Begeman <mriderleon@XXXXXX> wrote:
> The cop is the representative of government who
> enforces the law.  Just as the soldier is the
> representative of the federal government when he is
> deployed overseas.  Anything a soldier does reflects
> on the US government, anything the cop does or fails
> to do reflects on the government he represents.  If
> he's going to be a cop then he DAMN WELL HAD BETTER
> OBEY THE LAW TO THE LETTER.  If he isn't willing to
> do
> that then he needs to get a different job.
> 
> Leon.
> 

Hey nice rant. Feel better? Guess what? The letter of
the law states that I have "discretion". I don't have
to ticket you for 56 in a 55. That is stupid. While I
agree that the limits are too low, I am not going to
be a one man citizen advocacy group for speed limit
adjustment by pissing off citizens and my bosses by
writing bullshit tickets. If you want me to enforce
the LETTER of the law, and not the SPIRIT, then give
me your address. I gurantee I can spot several
violation on your car without it even moving.

I find it incredible that you WANT officers to be
dicks instead of realistic. There is a real easy way
to ensure that officers enforce the letter of the law
with you. Get a bumper sticker that says "FUCK COPS".
Then you will be real happy when you get ticketed for
36 in a 35.

Todd W.

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"improper driving" is what every individual charged with
"reckless driving" wants to be convicted of (in other
words, clients and lawyers are aiming for a reduction to
"improper" or a dismissal).  it's a very vague charge,
carrying little weight with insurance companies or the
point system.  as far as the fine....she did get at least,
if not more, than she "deserved."  $200 is significantly
more than most people convicted of that offense pay
(usually ~$50 plus costs).  and, if i remember correctly,
that is the starting point for a reckless driving fine. 
was she represented by counsel?

honest question here: was it worth the trouble?



--- Doug Allis <dhallis@XXXXXX> wrote:
> She convicted of "improper driving", and had to pay a
> $200.00 fine plus "court costs".  She got what she 
> deserved.
> 
> 
> >From: "Paul Wilson" <pawilson@XXXXXX>
> >To: "Doug Allis" <dhallis@XXXXXX>,
> <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> >Subject: Re: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story
> from across the pond
> >Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:16:59 -0400
> >
> >Doug,
> >
> >It's tangential to your post, but how is your case
> against the "lane >sharing Lexus" shaping up?

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>I've taken FC Pkwy from Rt. 7 to Springfield, and I've never seen any
>section of road that had a corner so blind that you could't stop in
>time if you were paying attention. I think the people that are having
>accidents (regardless of speed) are probably the type of people the
>just shouldn't be driving. (Not that I advocate speeding or anything.
>Just relating my observations.)

I agree, anyone with a drivers license SHOULD be paying enough attention to 
avoid problems, but most people are not really paying attention and they are 
the ones going 65 MPH. Beware the the light at Burke Lake (or (Center) 
Parkway is a notorious problem esp at night.
The intersection with Rt 29 had to be "redesigned" twice.
The northbound curve just north of 123 is insufficently banked.
Pay attention to the section between the South Run Rec Center and 
Pohick/Hoose Rd: the South Run and Huntsman Blvd lights are hidden just 
enough so that if you are NOT paying attentio you can get into trouble and 
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--- Todd Withrow <mtwithrow@XXXXXX> wrote:
> 
> --- Leon Begeman <mriderleon@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > The cop is the representative of government who
> > enforces the law.  Just as the soldier is the
> > representative of the federal government when he is
> > deployed overseas.  Anything a soldier does reflects
> > on the US government, anything the cop does or fails
> > to do reflects on the government he represents.  If
> > he's going to be a cop then he DAMN WELL HAD BETTER
> > OBEY THE LAW TO THE LETTER.  If he isn't willing to
> > do
> > that then he needs to get a different job.
> > 
> > Leon.
> > 
> 
> Hey nice rant. Feel better? Guess what? The letter of
> the law states that I have "discretion". I don't have
> to ticket you for 56 in a 55. That is stupid. While I
> agree that the limits are too low, I am not going to
> be a one man citizen advocacy group for speed limit
> adjustment by pissing off citizens and my bosses by
> writing bullshit tickets. If you want me to enforce
> the LETTER of the law, and not the SPIRIT, then give
> me your address. I gurantee I can spot several
> violation on your car without it even moving.

are you a betting man?  i've got $50 that says leon owns no
car for you to inspect.  he is one hard-core motorcyclist.

i am thankful that most police officers enforce the spirit
of the law as opposed to the letter of it.  however, i have
SERIOUS problems with the discretion given to the police
under many statutes.  reckless driving in virginia comes
immediately to mind.





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--- rydin <rydin@XXXXXX> wrote:
> I've toyed with the idea of fighting a speeding ticket by
> following that cop
> around with a calibrated speedo and video camera  to show
> the court and
> claim that he/she has no business enforcing laws they
> don't/can't follow.
> Remember - in court its the cop's word against yours:
> They will claim they
> clocked you at a certain speed. If they don't follow the
> law why should
> their word be any better than yours ?

"objection: relevance."

"sustained."




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--- rydin <rydin@XXXXXX> wrote:
> It's still hypocritical. When you're in a job to
> enforce laws, you must
> first obey these laws yourself. Like Leon said - as
> you describe it, cops
> make a choice on who to pull over, and it isn't
> based solely on the offense.
> BTW - I don't have a blind hatred of cops, just a
> frustration with some of
> the things they get away with.
> I've seen cops drive 85 mph on 270 and 95. As far as
> I understand the law -
> that's illegal unless they have their police lights
> on.
> 
> I've toyed with the idea of fighting a speeding
> ticket by following that cop
> around with a calibrated speedo and video camera  to
> show the court and
> claim that he/she has no business enforcing laws
> they don't/can't follow.
> Remember - in court its the cop's word against
> yours: They will claim they
> clocked you at a certain speed. If they don't follow
> the law why should
> their word be any better than yours ?
> 
> Niv
> BMW F650ST
> 

I agree that an officer should not be speeding.
Speeding to me is exceeding the flow of traffic. I
have seen a DOD police van speeding down 495 weaving
in and out. Had I been in a cruiser, I would have
pulled him over. Cops don't have a license to speed.
You are right that some do. There is no excuse to
abuse the power that a marked car gives you just to
get home or to a meal faster.

However, don't assume that every cruiser moving above
the speed limit without lights is doing so for
personal reasons. In some situations, you can respond
to a call faster without lights and sirens. Many
people freak out and stop right in front of you when
your emergency equipment is activated. When you have
light traffic, that slows you down. You are better off
just moving through the traffic without equipment. If
it is your life on the line, I am sure you want us
there quickly.

Todd W. 

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--- Tom Gimer <t_gimer@XXXXXX> wrote:

> 
> are you a betting man?  i've got $50 that says leon
> owns no
> car for you to inspect.  he is one hard-core
> motorcyclist.
> 
> i am thankful that most police officers enforce the
> spirit
> of the law as opposed to the letter of it.  however,
> i have
> SERIOUS problems with the discretion given to the
> police
> under many statutes.  reckless driving in virginia
> comes
> immediately to mind.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> =====
> tg

I can understand that. Drunk in Public is another
catch all charge.

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>"improper driving" is what every individual charged with
>"reckless driving" wants to be convicted of (in other
>words, clients and lawyers are aiming for a reduction to
>"improper" or a dismissal).  it's a very vague charge,
>carrying little weight with insurance companies or the
>point system.  as far as the fine....she did get at least,
>if not more, than she "deserved."  $200 is significantly
>more than most people convicted of that offense pay
>(usually ~$50 plus costs).  and, if i remember correctly,
>that is the starting point for a reckless driving fine.
>was she represented by counsel?
>
No she was not.  She was clueless. In fact she showed up late and almost got 
herself a "failure to appear" conviction.  The judge had even pronounced 
sentence (30 days) when the court room door opened up and she rushed in 
all-in-a-huff.

>honest question here: was it worth the trouble?
>
OH YES!  It all made for a very amusing morning. She got herself quite a 
lecture from the judge, she had to part with over $200.00, was obviously 
losing pay for every minute we were there (almost 4 hours), and had to pay 
for parking!  She was not a happy camper.

I got to watch her stupid dumb ass face when she realized that the judge 
might actually take her license (deer in headlights -- lookout!). I got the 
morning off with pay. I didn't have to pay for parking because I was a 
witness to a crime. I highly recommend the procedure to anyone who gets run 
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Oops - meant to send this to the list (Sean must think I'm a rookie now...)


-----Original Message-----
From: rydin [mailto:rydin@XXXXXX]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 5:44 PM
To: 'Tom Gimer'
Subject: RE: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the
pond


Hey Tom - I never said it would work - hence the "toying".
In court this seems irrelevant, to me this is simple logic: The basic
premise seems usually that the cop's word is better than mine. Maybe it's
because of the job, the badge, maybe the screening that goes with it, but
most probably because it's easier for the system to work this way.
I believe that for the cop's word to have more weight than mine, he needs to
be held to the standards he's hired to uphold.
I believe in giving police discretion: Not EVERYTHING can be predicted and
phrased in to law, not to mention having officers trying to memorize all
this (though I do see abuses of this discretion).

However, the officer needs to be on the "holier" side of the law - if that
is what he/she does, then they're not hypocrites.

The thing is - I hate hypocrisy !

Niv
BMW F650ST

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 2:27 PM
To: rydin; 'DC Cycles'
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--- rydin <rydin@XXXXXX> wrote:
> I've toyed with the idea of fighting a speeding ticket by
> following that cop
> around with a calibrated speedo and video camera  to show
> the court and
> claim that he/she has no business enforcing laws they
> don't/can't follow.
> Remember - in court its the cop's word against yours:
> They will claim they
> clocked you at a certain speed. If they don't follow the
> law why should
> their word be any better than yours ?

"objection: relevance."

"sustained."




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It's still hypocritical. When you're in a job to enforce laws, you must
first obey these laws yourself. Like Leon said - as you describe it,
cops
make a choice on who to pull over, and it isn't based solely on the
offense.
BTW - I don't have a blind hatred of cops, just a frustration with some
of
the things they get away with.
I've seen cops drive 85 mph on 270 and 95. As far as I understand the
law -
that's illegal unless they have their police lights on.

		Good point, but it's a double edged sword.  On one hand, I'm glad
they're not screwing with me & holding beltway traffic to 55.  OTOH, it
IS a violation of law that no jurisdiction will prosecute for a cop to
speed without lights & siren (when not on an emergency call that
requires stealth).



I've toyed with the idea of fighting a speeding ticket by following that
cop
around with a calibrated speedo and video camera  to show the court and
claim that he/she has no business enforcing laws they don't/can't
follow.

		Cops get real nervous and highly pissed when you do that.  I tailed
(what I believe to be) an FBI agent after he tailgated me at 90, then
passed me.  When we got stopped at the Accokeek light, I invited him to
step outside, he declined.  I've also had them pull onto the shoulder &
try to get in behind me.  That happened once, the 2nd time, when they
did that, I got hard on the brakes, blocking him on the shoulder &
leaving him there in rush hour traffic.  I guess he couldn't get though
all that traffic to catch back up before I exited...  oh well.


Remember - in court its the cop's word against yours: They will claim
they
clocked you at a certain speed. If they don't follow the law why should
their word be any better than yours ?

			Don't screw with them on the street, it's pointless, they're armed,
have the State on their side, have bottomless lawyer funds.  If you see
one truly behaving like a F*ckwit, get the date, time, car # and plate.
Call into the station and report them.  You can file a paper complaint,
but regardless, they can't be issued tickets unless they've p.o.'d
another jurisdiction (i.e PG co.  in Fairfax, for shooting the college
kid).



Dave Yates
'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
'97 Cobra #5148
http://www.radix.net/~sdave/





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From: Dale Horstman <the.horkster@XXXXXX>
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Doug Allis wrote:
> 
> >honest question here: was it worth the trouble?
> >
> OH YES!  It all made for a very amusing morning. She got herself quite a
> lecture from the judge, she had to part with over $200.00, was obviously
> losing pay for every minute we were there (almost 4 hours), and had to pay
> for parking!  She was not a happy camper.
> 
> I got to watch her stupid dumb ass face when she realized that the judge
> might actually take her license (deer in headlights -- lookout!). I got the
> morning off with pay. I didn't have to pay for parking because I was a
> witness to a crime. I highly recommend the procedure to anyone who gets run
> off the road.  Revenge was fun.

Good for you sticking it to her like that.  Bet it was sweet.
Maybe she even learned something.

Horkster

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Hey nice rant. Feel better? Guess what? The letter of
the law states that I have "discretion".

		Where is that? (where does it say you have discretion, that is) ?

 I don't have
to ticket you for 56 in a 55. That is stupid. While I
agree that the limits are too low, I am not going to
be a one man citizen advocacy group for speed limit
adjustment by pissing off citizens and my bosses by
writing bullshit tickets. If you want me to enforce
the LETTER of the law, and not the SPIRIT, then give
me your address. I gurantee I can spot several
violation on your car without it even moving.


		Agreed.  Traffic code is ridiculous in it's entirety.  NOBODY, not
even a cop, can go 10 miles on any public street without violating a
traffic law.  It's not really the cop's fault, it's the voter's fault.
Check out my latest Rant on my webpage.  Each & every one of us could've
lobbied for more reasonable speed limits, but I venture to say, not one
of us has.  So the legislators, wanting to look busy, and like they're
'making it safe for the children', pass ridiculous feel good laws, with
nary a peep from us.  So, rather than piss your words away here, join
the NMA, and start writing your legislators.  It worked for me, just ask
Mrs. Clark at the Alexandria DMV - if she's still there...



Dave Yates
'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
'97 Cobra #5148
http://www.radix.net/~sdave/



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Todd Withrow wrote:

> --- "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX> wrote:
> >
> > Agreed.  All my interstate tickets were in the 80s,
> > save for one on 385 in Arlington for 70,
> > but the trooper cut me a few MPH slack.  I've blown
> > radar setups at 10 over and not been
> > stopped.  Must be my innocent face...
> >
> > Bill
> >
>
> The caveat is a school zone. You damn well better slow
> down for the young ones. No slack will be cut there.
>
> Todd W.

Actually, in town I observe speed limits.  There's kids everywhere, and a lot of pedestrians
too. School zones is one place I'd like to have a paintball cannon to plaster the blatant
speeders.

Bill


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I'm parting with my 2000 busa. It has 1600 miles, never been down,
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Hey Tom - I never said it would work - hence the "toying".
In court this seems irrelevant, to me this is simple logic: The basic
premise seems usually that the cop's word is better than mine.

		That's because people that go to traffic court are 99% of the time,
not sufficiently prepared.  Cops in court are witnesses, and should NOT
be allowed to enter evidence.  They should be allowed to testify and
that's it.  IF you let them without objection, you have no grounds for
appeal.  Further, most cops are basically prepared, but not fully for a
lawyer to cross them.  If you represent yourself, there are all kinds of
things that can get you off, one of the  easiest is making the
prosecution 'rest'  after the cop is done lying, but hasn't said 'the
defendant was driving or whatever'  IOW failing  to properly identify
the operator of the vehicle.  Cops are also given pseudo 'expert
witness' status, which is why their word is 'better'.  Most people don't
challenge or object when a cop on the witness stand draw conclusion or
stretches the truth.

 Maybe it's
because of the job, the badge, maybe the screening that goes with it,
but
most probably because it's easier for the system to work this way.

		They only want your money.  If it weren't about the money, all traffic
infractions would involve jail time or community service, not money.


I believe that for the cop's word to have more weight than mine, he
needs to
be held to the standards he's hired to uphold.

		Only the defendant can do that, and if you let all the cop's lies
err... testimony to go unchallenged, well, his / her word is worth more.





Dave Yates
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In a message dated 6/14/01 3:38:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
pattonme@XXXXXX writes:

<< 
 "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad,
  they should have voted to convict."
  >>

You know, I haven't mentioned it before, but tonight I was disturbed by the 
political note above.  I don't believe subscribers to a motorcycle message 
board should be bombarded by political propoganda from the right, center or 
left.  We get enough of that in the media.  I believe there are plenty of 
political message boards to subscribe to.

Thanks,

Fred

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Hello Everyone,

Cliff was the first to respond to my free entrance to Skyline offer, so he 
gets first dibs.  I hope everyone can show up this Saturday.

Thad said (which I think is a good plan):
---
I will be heading out to Luray Caverns via 66/29/211, that would be cool
to have someone else to ride out there with.  I need to be at the caverns
by 11am.  So I figure I'll be passing Fairfax around 9am or so.
---

Seeing as Cliff wants to get back early also, I was thinking that everyone 
who is planning to ride out to Skyline this Saturday with me could meet at 
the motorcycle parking area (in the kiss and ride loop) of the Vienna metro 
station, right off exit 62 of I-66 (the North exit) at 9am.

So far the people who have showed interest are: Cliff Zigmond, Paul Wilson, 
Thad Groghan, and Steve Price.  As Thad is not riding to Skyline (going to 
caverns), we could still ride along his route on the way to Skyline, then 
split off and head to Skyline.

I have only ridden once before to Skyline, and I used 66 on the way there 
and the way back.  The 66-29-211 route is new to me, although I remember 
exiting Skyline at 211 to eat lunch, then getting back on Skyline and 
heading back up to 66.  Supposedly the 211 route is much nicer.  Plus, it's 
good to get lost sometimes...

And to everyone else on DC Cycles, you are more than welcome to join up.

Aaron S. Ward
CBR900RR

>
>Hi everyone,
>
>I had the great pleasure of riding on Skyline Drive last Sunday.  Since my
>weekly admission pass is still valid through Saturday, I plan on heading up
>there to enjoy it again.
>
>My pass is valid for 2 people, and since the guy I went with last time is
>not going, I can get one other person in for free (avoid the $5 entry fee).
>Whoever responds first via email will get the freebie.
>
>I don't care if you are a squid or a pro-racer, I just would rather have
>some company to ride down there and eat lunch etc.  I don't know what time
>is best to avoid traffic, but my guess is morning is better than afternoon?
>I really enjoy the group-riding atmosphere, and I'm not looking for any
>racing, but a nice relaxed pace with maybe a few brisk corners but nothing
>serious (like doing the 20mph turns at, oh, 30mph?)
>
>Anyway, if anybody is interested, let me know.  I live near the
>Vienna/Fairfax metro station (last stop on the orange line, exit 62 on
>I-66), and I can meet there in the motorcycle parking area before heading
>down 66 to Front Royal.  I would say tentatively to meet there at 9:30am,
>but if that is too late/early I can follow up with another email having the
>general consensus of what time to meet.
>
>Also, if there is already a planned group ride being put on by anyone else,
>that is going to be near skyline, I would like to find out about it and go
>on that ride and end up on Skyline.
>
>Hope to meet some riders who are interested in riding Skyline Drive and
>possibly eating lunch etc.
>
>Aaron S. Ward
>CBR900RR


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Ummm, Fred, it's an example of humor. Even my life-long
Democrat ex-congressional press secretary fiancee
recognized it as such and laughed. Personally, I haven't
yet decided which party it's meant to favor, if either.

Actually, given some of the attitudes expressed in this mailing
list and Usenet motorcycle groups lately, the more politically
involved motorcyclists get, the better, or motorcycling will
become extinct in my lifetime. One of my friends, who was the
lobbyist for the AMA, happens to share that view.

--Larry
'01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco
'84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike)
'01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small
emergency backup bike)


At 08:07 PM 6/14/01, Boiade@XXXXXX wrote:
>In a message dated 6/14/01 3:38:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>pattonme@XXXXXX writes:
>
><<
>  "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad,
>   they should have voted to convict."
>   >>
>
>You know, I haven't mentioned it before, but tonight I was disturbed by the
>political note above.  I don't believe subscribers to a motorcycle message
>board should be bombarded by political propoganda from the right, center or
>left.  We get enough of that in the media.  I believe there are plenty of
>political message boards to subscribe to.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Fred



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>  "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad,
>   they should have voted to convict."
>   >>
>
> You know, I haven't mentioned it before, but tonight I was disturbed by
the
> political note above.  I don't believe subscribers to a motorcycle message
> board should be bombarded by political propoganda from the right, center
or
> left.  We get enough of that in the media.  I believe there are plenty of
> political message boards to subscribe to.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Fred

Oh for the love of Pete!  Don't read it if you don't like it.

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In a message dated 6/14/01 10:12:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
cliffzig@XXXXXX writes:

<< Oh for the love of Pete!  Don't read it if you don't like it.
  >>
How do you avoid reading it without deleting the message before reading?  
Does AOL have a political message filter?

"What's the only difference between a Fascist and a Republican?  A Fascist 
believes in universal health care."


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>>How about renting a race bike? $150 to $200 a day.
Or if you want to do 
this more often, buy a fractional share in the bike
for the season like 
you do airplanes.<<

Erion Racing actually does this. I saw a feature on
Speed Vision. I called them up to see how much it cost
and get more info, but the guy who runs the program is
out till late June. 

>From the feature on the show (was either Bike Week or
Motorcyclist), they set you up with a F4 and assign a
mechanic to you who sets up the bike to your
preferences. It seemed that all you do is sign up,
show up with your gear and go. My guess on price is at
least $500/day, plus deposits for crash damage. :0

-jeff

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Larry Larson wrote:

> Ummm, Fred, it's an example of humor. Even my life-long
> Democrat ex-congressional press secretary fiancee
> recognized it as such and laughed. Personally, I haven't
> yet decided which party it's meant to favor, if either.

Actually, I know this poster meant it as a slam on the dems, but his other tag
line makes me laugh - the quote from Sigmund Freud (a known drug user) that goes
something like Civilization can only occur when sex is restrained.  Does that
mean I should always tie her up?  That would be a problem - no convenient
bedposts for those kitchen quickies or romps on the out-of-balance washing
machine during the spin cycle.

Bill



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In a message dated 6/14/01 10:12:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
cliffzig@XXXXXX writes:

<< Oh for the love of Pete!  Don't read it if you don't like it.
  >>
How do you avoid reading it without deleting the message before reading?
Does AOL have a political message filter?

"What's the only difference between a Fascist and a Republican?  A
Fascist
believes in universal health care."

		Actually, Fred, ideologically speaking, Fascists are most closely
aligned with liberals ; that  is to say, they are on the 'same side of
the political spectrum'  regardless of party affiliation.
		Obmoto:  Liberals tend to want the land for the state, others, like
bikers, want it to ryde on ;-)

Dave Yates
'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
'97 Cobra #5148
http://www.radix.net/~sdave/



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>Actually, in town I observe speed limits.  There's kids everywhere, and a lot of pedestrians
>too. School zones is one place I'd like to have a paintball cannon to plaster the blatant
>speeders.

Agreed.  Saw a great stop one time: Four-lane highway, not divided. Bus with its red lights on stopped and letting out kids.  Guy coming the other way just laid on his horn and drove right past the kids.  One older kid had his arms out trying to herd the little kids away from the oncoming car.

And about two seconds later there's lights and sirens all over the place.  Unmarked car right behind the jerk.  

I went in to do my food shopping and a half hour later the officer still had the jerk pulled over.  Hope he got a big ticket, and a 72-point courtesy safety inspection of his car and papers.

Chris Norloff

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At 06:50 AM 6/15/01, William J. Huson wrote:
>.... the quote from Sigmund Freud (a known drug user) that goes
>something like Civilization can only occur when sex is restrained.  Does that
>mean I should always tie her up?

In this group, I believe that would mean always wearing
your fully-armored, non-expanding Aerostich (tm) brand
condom.

(Although your further description did make me wonder
just how much we're missing out on by having the
stacking washer/dryer in our townhouse.)

-- Larry
'01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco
'84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike)
'01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small
emergency backup bike)



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At 10:25 PM 6/14/01, Boiade@XXXXXX wrote:
>....
>
>"What's the only difference between a Fascist and a Republican?  A Fascist
>believes in universal health care."

That's the spirit! Now if someone will come up with something
about the religious right, or the Washington Post -- Jewish
conspiracy, we can really get this thing kick-started.

-- Larry
'01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco
'84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike)
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Fred,

I think it's mostly been said already, but I'll say it anyway. Give it a 
rest, already. It's his sig line, not some leftist|rightist|centrist 
conspiracy! You can always apply a sig line to your messages. Who knows, 
maybe you can even come up with a good one. And if his really offends you, 
add him to your kill file. AOL does provide for a way to block offensive 
users, doesn't it?

Perry

>From: Boiade@XXXXXX
>To: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX
>Subject: Re: racing classification descriptions
>Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:07:13 EDT
>
>In a message dated 6/14/01 3:38:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>pattonme@XXXXXX writes:
>
><<
>  "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad,
>   they should have voted to convict."
>   >>
>
>You know, I haven't mentioned it before, but tonight I was disturbed by the
>political note above.  I don't believe subscribers to a motorcycle message
>board should be bombarded by political propoganda from the right, center or
>left.  We get enough of that in the media.  I believe there are plenty of
>political message boards to subscribe to.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Fred

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>  >>How about renting a race bike? $150 to $200 a day.
>
>Erion Racing actually does this.....
>>From the feature on the show (was either Bike Week or
>Motorcyclist), they set you up with a F4 and assign a
>mechanic to you who sets up the bike to your
>preferences. It seemed that all you do is sign up,
>show up with your gear and go. My guess on price is at
>least $500/day, plus deposits for crash damage.

I imagine the price would be much higher than that.....probably 2-3 
times higher.

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--- Boiade@XXXXXX wrote:
> You know, I haven't mentioned it before, but tonight
> I was disturbed by the 
> political note above.  I don't believe subscribers
> to a motorcycle message 
> board should be bombarded by political propoganda
> from the right, center or 
> left.  We get enough of that in the media.  I
> believe there are plenty of 
> political message boards to subscribe to.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Fred


Lighten up.
It's a comment on the end of his sig.  He's allowed to
say anything he wants there.

Leon.
Save the whales, collect the whole set.




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Larry Larson wrote:

> (Although your further description did make me wonder
> just how much we're missing out on by having the
> stacking washer/dryer in our townhouse.)

Fer sure, dude - got me a Maytag and it really rumbles!  Better'n kicking up waves
in a water bed.

Bill


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--- Todd Withrow <mtwithrow@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Hey nice rant. Feel better? Guess what? The letter
> of
> the law states that I have "discretion". I don't
> have
> to ticket you for 56 in a 55. That is stupid. 

It is stupid.  Feel free to write me a ticket for 56
in a 55 anytime you want.  I ride the bike with the
big Rubbermaid box on the back.  Here's a picture
http://www3.sympatico.ca/klouseau/leon.htm


> While I
> agree that the limits are too low, I am not going to
> be a one man citizen advocacy group for speed limit
> adjustment by pissing off citizens and my bosses by
> writing bullshit tickets.

Of course not, get the others to do the same thing. 
It isn't bullshit, it's the law.  

If you won't do that, then all I'm asking is the YOU
PERSONALLY OBEY THE LAW.  DRIVE THE SPEED LIMIT.  Or
are you too chickenshit to do what the law REQUIRES of
the rest of us.


> If you want me to enforce
> the LETTER of the law, and not the SPIRIT, then give
> me your address. I gurantee I can spot several
> violation on your car without it even moving.
>
I'll take that bet.  I don't pay until you get a
conviction.  My car is the Blue El Camino.

13391 Packard Dr
Dale City, VA
22193

Better yet, take tg's bet, that way he'll have the
money he owes me from the last bet I made with him. 
Oh yeah, can't do that, gambling is probably one of
those things we the people aren't allowed to do.

> I find it incredible that you WANT officers to be
> dicks instead of realistic. There is a real easy way
> to ensure that officers enforce the letter of the
> law
> with you. Get a bumper sticker that says "FUCK
> COPS".
> Then you will be real happy when you get ticketed
> for
> 36 in a 35.

I don't want them to be dicks, many of them seem to be
perfectly capable of doing that on their own.  What I
want them to do is OBEY THE LAW.  From what I've seen,
most of them don't and you don't seem to think they
should.






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Let's say a guy named Adam is attracted to a woman
named Eve. He asks 
her
out; she accepts; they have a pretty good time.

A few nights later he asks her out to dinner, and
again they enjoy
themselves. They start to see each other regularly,
and after a while,
neither one of them is seeing anybody else.

Then, one evening when they're driving home, a thought
occurs to Eve, 
and,
without really thinking, she says it aloud: "Do you
realise that, as of
tonight, we've been seeing each other for exactly six
months?"

And then there is a strained silence in the car . . .
to Eve, it seems 
like
a very loud silence. She thinks to herself:  "Gee, I
wonder if it 
bothers
him that I said that. Maybe he's been  feeling
confined by our 
relationship;
maybe he thinks I'm trying to push him into some kind
of obligation 
that he
doesn't want, or isn't sure of."

And Adam is thinking: "Gosh. Six months already."

Eve is thinking: "But, hey, I'm not so sure I want
this kind of
relationship, either. Sometimes I wish I had a little
more space, so 
I'd
have time to think about whether I really want us to
keep going the way 
we
are, moving steadily forward. I mean, where are we
going? Are we just 
going
to keep seeing each other at this level of intimacy?
Are we heading 
toward
marriage? Toward children? Toward a lifetime together?
Am I ready for 
that
level of commitment? Do I really even know this
person?"

And Adam is thinking: "So that means it was...let's
see ...February 
when we
started going out, which was right after I had the RS
at the dealer, 
which
means...lemme think about this. Whoa! I am way overdue
for a cam chain
tension check.  Mebbee the rockers need to be
inspected too."

Meanwhile Eve is thinking: "He's worried. I can see it
on his face. 
Maybe
I'm reading this completely wrong. Maybe he wants more
from our
relationship, more intimacy, more commitment; maybe he
has sensed - 
even
before I sensed it - that I was feeling some
reservations. Yes, I bet 
that's
it. That's why he's so reluctant to say anything about
his own 
feelings.
He's afraid of
being rejected."

And Adam is thinking: "And I'm gonna have them look at
the transmission
again. I don't care what those guys on the list say,
it's still not 
shifting
right. And they better not try to blame it on the cold
weather this 
time.
What cold weather? It's 87 degrees out, and this thing
is shifting like 
an
old Harley Sportster, and I paid those incompetent
thieves $1600 for 
the
last service.  Not to mention that crap about keeping
the valve shims 
in
paper envelopes... sheessh." And he grits his teeth.

Eve is thinking: "Now he's angry. And I don't blame
him. I'd be angry, 
too.
I feel so guilty, putting him through this, but I
can't help the way I 
feel.
I'm just not sure."

Adam is thinking: "They'll probably say it's only a
90-day warranty on
rocker wear. Scumbags!"

Eve is thinking: "Maybe I'm just too idealistic,
waiting for a knight 
to
come riding up on his white horse, when I'm sitting
right next to a
perfectly good person, a person I enjoy being with, a
person I truly do 
care
about, a person who seems to truly care about me. A
person who is in 
pain
because of my self-centred, schoolgirl romantic
fantasy."

And Adam is thinking: "Rockers not under Warranty?
They want a 
warranty?
I'll give them a warranty. I'll take their warranty
and stick it right 
up
their a ....!!"

"Adam?" Eve asks aloud.

"What!" snaps Adam, startled and brought back abruptly
from thoughts of 
bits
of rocker chrome circulating throughout the pristine
internals of his 
RS.

"Please don't torture yourself like this," she says,
her eyes beginning 
to
brim with tears. "Maybe I should never have... Oh God,
I feel so..."  
(She
breaks down, sobbing.)

"What's the matter with you?" says Adam, puzzled.

"I'm such a fool," Eve sobs. "I mean, I know there's
no knight. I 
really
know that. It's silly. There's no knight, and there's
no horse." (More
sobs).

"There's no ... horse?" says Adam, wondering how much
of the 
conversation he
missed.

"You think I'm a fool, don't you?" Eve says.

"No!" says Adam, glad to finally be sure of the
correct answer.

"It's just that... it's that I... I need some time,"
Eve says.

(There is a 15-second pause while Adam, thinking fast,
tries to come up 
with
an appropriate, safe general response. Finally he
comes up with one 
that he
thinks might do.) "OK," he says.

(Eve, deeply moved, touches his hand.) "Oh, Adam, do
you really feel 
that
way? I'm so happy." she says.

The next day Eve will call her closest friend, or
perhaps two of them, 
and
she will cry and they will talk about this situation
for six straight 
hours.
In painstaking detail, they will analyse everything
she said and 
everything
he said, going over it time and time again, exploring
every word, 
statement,
and gesture for nuances of meaning, considering every
possible 
ramification.
They will continue to discuss this subject, off and
on, for weeks, 
maybe
months, never reaching any definite conclusions, but
never
getting bored with it, either.

Adam will get back to his place, open a Bud, pick up a
copy of 
Performance
Bikes, turn on the TV, and immediately become deeply
involved in a 
rerun of
a 125cc Grand Prix race between two Japanese riders he
has never heard 
of. A
tiny voice in the far recesses of his mind will tell
him that something
strange was going on back there in the car, but as he
is pretty sure 
there
is no way he would ever understand what, he figures
it's better if he 
just
doesn't worry about it.

What was that about Mars and Venus?

Barry (with thanks to the Ducati list for inspiration)

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Woah! That's the most I've ever seen Leon Begeman write at one time! 
Leon, tell us how you really feel!



-- 
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the 
skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
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Trey Herb wrote:

> Then, one evening when they're driving home, a thought occurs to
> Eve,
> and, without really thinking, she says it aloud: "Do you realise
> that, as of
> tonight, we've been seeing each other for exactly six months?"
>

Uh-oh, my GF said the exact same thing to me on Wednesday at dinner.
I think I said something like, "Wow...6 months...where has the time
gone?"    I had no idea what I was getting myself into. :-)

--Jim
--'00 Monster 750


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In a message dated 6/15/01 7:22:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX 
writes:

<< Actually, Fred, ideologically speaking, Fascists are most closely
 aligned with liberals ; that  is to say, they are on the 'same side of
 the political spectrum'  regardless of party affiliation. >>


<< Actually, Fred, ideologically speaking, Fascists are most closely
 aligned with liberals ; that  is to say, they are on the 'same side of
 the political spectrum'  regardless of party affiliation. >>

Shows that you know alot about politics, confusing the left and the right.  
The Fascist party is a right-wing party.  In fact, the first people the Nazis 
and Fascists go after are the Communists and Socialists.

Ciao,

Fred

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Hello,

Thanks to all you who recommended Potomac Amoco - I went up there this 
morning and got the bike inspected without an appointment in less than a 
half hour and it passed without any problems. Its a 93 Nighthawk. If anyone 
else is looking to get a bike inspected, go there, corner of River Rd. and 
Falls Rd.

ub


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Better choice than a Frigid-aire, but maybe not as good as a Whirlpool or
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-- Larry

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Larry Larson wrote:

 > (Although your further description did make me wonder
 > just how much we're missing out on by having the
 > stacking washer/dryer in our townhouse.)

Fer sure, dude - got me a Maytag and it really rumbles!  Better'n kicking
up waves
in a water bed.

Bill



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Now that you mention it I had to check and refresh my memory.  The Maytag died
in the hat of passion and wuz replaced with a Sears washer which is still
humping along, so to speak.   Whatever works!
(moto-content )   I've *suggested* trying out the ol' Harley on high idle...

Bill


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>
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--- Perry Coleman <perrycoleman@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Jeremy,
> 
> Chaps are great to protect your legs from stuff
> getting flung up, or to keep 
> brush and brambles from scraping you when you ride
> your horse into a tight 
> spot.
> 

Or, say, running into a guardrail at high speed.  Or
protecting your legs while rolling after being ejected
from your bike.

> As for motorcycling, they don't offer any protection
> to one of the more 
> delicate, and protuberant, spots of anatomy -
> namely, your keister. As 
> someone who has had the dubious pleasure of parting
> company with my bike at 
> about 30-40 mph and sliding a ways on my tushie, I
> can attest to the value 
> of having something other than just a pair of dress
> pants between my 
> derriere and the highway. Had I been wearing chaps
> instead of armoured 
> riding pants, I'd probably be sitting on skin grafts
> right now, instead of 
> cute (I've been told,) smooth, all original butt
> skin.

I will give you this point, they provide no protection
to your derriere.  I will say that in my accident
experience (which admittedly is not that extensive,
nor is this backed up by any statistical evidence -
but it seems logical and within the definitions of
physics to me) that rolling is more likely than
sliding on the same area of your body until you stop.

In that situation, and I back this up with my own
accident experience, it will be your arms and legs
which take the brunt of the abrasion damage and not
your derriere.

Obviously every accident is different, so the maximum
protection definitly comes from full pants. I am
currently looking for new attire myself, so I may
check out the overpants you spoke of, since you claim
that they are easy to get on and off.

> 
> For cool weather riding, I use the Hein
> Gericke/First Gear overpants 
> (armoured, waterproof, textile.) For warm weather
> riding, I use the First 
> Gear summer sport tour overpants (perfed leather.)
> My next purchase, as soon 
> as I lose an inch or so from the waist, is a pair of
> "dedicated" armoured, 
> leather riding pants. The overpants are great for
> commuting, but I'd like 
> something a little more serious for more aggressive
> backroad riding.
> 
> Chaps do look cool, though. And I've heard that
> they're popular in certain 
> bars and clubs around Dupont Circle. Not that
> there's anything wrong with 
> that! ;^)

Thank you so much for invalidating your entire
previous argument with flammatory comments which I
would expect to hear in high school locker rooms and
redneck bars but not in a forum of people whom I had
considered to be somewhat educated and even possibly
mature.


BTW - If anyone knows of any statistical evidence
which shows the proportion of rolling to sliding as a
result of a motorcycle accident, I would really like
to see that data.

Jeremy Purdy
'00 Yamaha V-Star - Jeade'en


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I have dragged meslef into modernity.  I bought the
demo model '00 Triumph Sprint ST last night at Herndon
Cycle Sport, and rode it to work today.  Big grins.  

Skeered me a little too.  I grabbed a big handful of
throttle (stupid muscle memory!), and the front wheel
went light for a about 100 yards. Definitely *not* an
Enfield. :)

CU,

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On Saturday night I will post the details about the ride to Budd's Creek.
We probably will meet off of I-95 South in the Stafford area.

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>Or, say, running into a guardrail at high speed.

I don't think ANY company manufactures something that will protect 
your legs if you run into a guardrail at high speed...oh yeah, there 
might be a few....Toyota, Ford, etc....What the hell are you doing 
running into guardrails at high speed, anyways? Sounds like someone 
who shouldn't be on the damn motorcycle in the first place.

>   Or protecting your legs while rolling after being ejected
>from your bike.

"Real" leather riding pants would be much better. Most chaps I've 
seen provide more decorative value than protective. That's not to say 
that there aren't any good quality chaps out there, but for the money 
there are superior alternatives. And you typically don't roll.

>I will give you this point, they provide no protection
>to your derriere.  I will say that in my accident
>experience (which admittedly is not that extensive,
>nor is this backed up by any statistical evidence -
>but it seems logical and within the definitions of
>physics to me) that rolling is more likely than
>sliding on the same area of your body until you stop.

One of the most common accidents on the motorcycle is the classic 
low-side. (Tire lose traction and motorcycle slides out from under 
you.) These typically result in the person sliding, not rolling. 
Don't ask me how I know this.

>In that situation, and I back this up with my own
>accident experience, it will be your arms and legs
>which take the brunt of the abrasion damage and not
>your derriere.

Why not protect everything you can?

>Obviously every accident is different, so the maximum
>protection definitly comes from full pants.

Bingo.

>  > Chaps do look cool, though. And I've heard that
>>  they're popular in certain
>>  bars and clubs around Dupont Circle. Not that
>>  there's anything wrong with
>>  that! ;^)
>
>Thank you so much for invalidating your entire
>previous argument with flammatory comments

Is your argument invalidated because you made up the word 
"flammatory"? What does that mean, anyways? "Able to be flammed"? 
What utter rubbish. Inflammatory comments don't invalidate arguments. 
Inflammatory comments are what make arguments interesting for others 
to read. If you're not going to make inflammatory comments, take it 
off list.

>  which I would expect to hear in high school locker rooms

What are you doing in high school locker rooms anyways?

>  and redneck bars

Wait, you flame hime for making jokes about Gay/Bondage/SM bars, and 
yet refer to "redneck" bars in such a way as to make them sound bad?

"Hi Kettle! I'm Pot! You're black!"

>  but not in a forum of people whom I had considered to be somewhat 
>educated and even possibly
>mature.

And then we were enlightened by your enlightened drivel. Bra-vo.

>BTW - If anyone knows of any statistical evidence
>which shows the proportion of rolling to sliding as a
>result of a motorcycle accident, I would really like
>to see that data.

Come to a race weekend. That will show you what happens in a 
single-vehicle motorcycle accident. (The track does have more run-off 
than the street, but as far as what happens when you and the 
motorcycle part ways, it's generally all the same.)


-- 
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the 
skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
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Welcome to the club. There are several good triumph
groups out there on the web. one of the best is Steve
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--- Scratch <iefbr142000@XXXXXX> wrote:
> I have dragged meslef into modernity.  I bought the
> demo model '00 Triumph Sprint ST last night at
> Herndon
> Cycle Sport, and rode it to work today.  Big grins. 
> 
> 
> Skeered me a little too.  I grabbed a big handful of
> throttle (stupid muscle memory!), and the front
> wheel
> went light for a about 100 yards. Definitely *not*
> an
> Enfield. :)
> 
> CU,
> 
> Rich
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Yes, the site is http://mlis.state.md.us/

They have all MD statutes.  Transportation and otherwise



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> Hi y'all,
> 
>         All this talk about VDOT statutes had me wondering if Maryland
> has it's laws posted in a user friendly fashion. After going up to Lake
> George, NY for Americade, and seeing a bunch of Gold Wings all tricked
> out with decorative lighting, I picked up a few for my Katana. Now I'm
> wondering about the legalities relating to auxiliary lighting. Anyone
> got a source?
> 
> Steven C. Di Pietro
> Assistant National Director
> National Marketing Coordinator
> Suzuki Owners Club USA
> 142 Circle Road
> Pasadena Md. 21122-6036
> http://www.soc-usa.org
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> 
> 


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I can hear the DEL keys crumbling around the city again.

Geez, do you guys ever need to take a chill pill. Must be the summer heat! One flame thread after another.

So whose going to put them out of their misery and lead a slow (or fast) group ride? A comment was made that we (dc-cycles) has done about zilch this year on rides. I'm often free on Saturdays and Sunday afternoons to do some. I'll lead a max of 6 riders thru areas like Clifton, Leesburg, PrinceWilliam Forest, etc. I'll try to stay off unpaved roads too. But given my two previous episodes I will insist on some strict ground rules and you will get dismissed if you fail to toe the line. Squidly riders, racer wannabe's and people who consider 60mph on 2 lane country roads to be too slow need not apply. If you have a permit the ink had better not still be wet and you'd better be sure I know about it. I'm based out of Alexandria/springfield, VA BTW.

more in-line:

> > Chaps do look cool, though. And I've heard that
> > they're popular in certain 
> > bars and clubs around Dupont Circle. Not that
> > there's anything wrong with 
> > that! ;^)
> 
> Thank you so much for invalidating your entire
> previous argument with flammatory comments which I

And what if the comment was in regards to the ladies riding around in thongs with their legs encased in chaps - for protection? sheyikes!! IMO (and only IMO) chaps were sold because 1) it was a simple leap to make from riding flesh/blood horses to fossile fuel powered ones. 2) it fits in well with the pursuit of the almighty "image" at the cost of actual usefulness a certain caste of predomanantly v-twin riders seem to manifest.

> BTW - If anyone knows of any statistical evidence
> which shows the proportion of rolling to sliding as 

I'm not sure the Hurt Study dealt with that. Not scientific purhaps but maybe you want to count the number of times the racers slide on their keister vs tumble as you watch your weekly edition of MC racing on speedvision. Granted nature has provided some extra cushioning in the form of buttocks, but given how utterly worthless cotton is in regards to abrasion resistance I think it makes a lot of sense to cover it (the rump) with leather as well. Think about how much of the day you spend with your butt sitting on something. Imagine not being able to do that because of those skin grafts. As Sylvester the cat would say "eeoowww!!"

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I recently started working with a client in the city (17th/Mst NW).  I 
gotta say - I love commuting in on the bike.  Free bike parking lot there 
on M, lane splitting, HOV.  Awesome.  It really is mayhem on the 
streets.  In '94 I was driving a delivery truck in DC for a year, so I got 
to know the city pretty well.  Traffic was nothing like it is now.  I 
filter up to the crosswalk and watch as mopeds and bicyclists charge full 
speed into the intersection through red lights - weaving between 
pedestrians and narrowly avoiding spilling their guts.  The moped guys are 
either brave or stupid.

I am contemplating a second - more narrow bike - for commuting in the city 
to make lane splitting easier.  Its like there are no lane markings in many 
sections.  The VFR is a bit of a pig for this chore.  It is nice on 66 all 
the way in from Centreville though.


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Jeremy,

I've been semi-seriously looking at used leathers for track days, etc.  At
least two of the crash tested ones showed they had been the sole intervening
substance between the rider's flesh and pavement in the seat of the pants.
Sean's right, it's more than likely in a low side that the rider's
trajectory will result in a full on butt slide.

Not trying to be flammable or even inflammable :) but(t) there's a reason
full leathers means exactly that, full leathers.  Leather pants also have
the added advantages of padding and/or armor at the knees and hips and
provisions for knee pucks, which you won't find in chaps.  Obviously if
leather pants, reinforced Cordura pants, etc., are not your cup of tea,
chaps are certainly better than plain jeans.

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F

----- Original Message -----
From: Jeremy Purdy <purdyjeremy@XXXXXX>

> I will give you this point, they provide no protection
> to your derriere.  I will say that in my accident
> ....


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Subject: Re: Riding in the city : mayhem
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I'm with you about riding a bike in the city.  When I
worked in DC it was the only thing that made working
out there bearable.  I can't stand the metro and
driving in is just, well, not worth it, nor affordable
as a daily option.

I did notice that riding my VF in was easier than the
VFR.  I think the VF was thinner.  It was definitely
the commuter bike of choice.  I also love the fact
that I didn't have to wait in the hideous traffic with
the cars.  And contrary to popular belief, it was my
experience that cagers aren't so horrid in the city to
bikers as they are in the 'burbs in VA.  I think
cagers are so used to the couriers flying up on the
side of them, that they're more used to it, and accept
it as part of driving in the city.  They also notice
you more, which I again attribute to the presence of
couriers.  In VA I almost get run over every time I
ride, and the drivers don't even bat an eyelash.  In
DC I didn't.  I know, sounds weird, but it was true.
:-)
But it's not for the faint of heart.  ;-)

- Jeannette
  '86 VFR 700 F2
  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

--- Troutman <mike@XXXXXX> wrote:
> I recently started working with a client in the city
> (17th/Mst NW).  I 
> gotta say - I love commuting in on the bike.  Free
> bike parking lot there 
> on M, lane splitting, HOV.  Awesome.  It really is
> mayhem on the 
> streets.  In '94 I was driving a delivery truck in
> DC for a year, so I got 
> to know the city pretty well.  Traffic was nothing
> like it is now.  I 
> filter up to the crosswalk and watch as mopeds and
> bicyclists charge full 
> speed into the intersection through red lights -
> weaving between 
> pedestrians and narrowly avoiding spilling their
> guts.  The moped guys are 
> either brave or stupid.
> 
> I am contemplating a second - more narrow bike - for
> commuting in the city 
> to make lane splitting easier.  Its like there are
> no lane markings in many 
> sections.  The VFR is a bit of a pig for this chore.
>  It is nice on 66 all 
> the way in from Centreville though.
> 
> 
> ___________________________________________
>      Mike Troutman
>           http://www.troutman.org/vfr
> 
>           '97 Honda VFR 750
>          Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA
> 
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Subject: Re: How about some rides? (was RE: Squids)
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I'd be in on a ride.  My bike hasn't been on any long
rides in quite some time.

Not this weekend, though, Father's Day & a bridal
shower to go to. :-(

- Jeannette
  '86 VFR 700F2
  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

--- Matthew Patton <pattonme@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > 
> So whose going to put them out of their misery and
> lead a slow (or fast) group ride? A comment was made
> that we (dc-cycles) has done about zilch this year
> on rides. I'm often free on Saturdays and Sunday
> afternoons to do some. I'll lead a max of 6 riders
> thru areas like Clifton, Leesburg, PrinceWilliam
> Forest, etc. I'll try to stay off unpaved roads too.
> But given my two previous episodes I will insist on
> some strict ground rules and you will get dismissed
> if you fail to toe the line. Squidly riders, racer
> wannabe's and people who consider 60mph on 2 lane
> country roads to be too slow need not apply. If you
> have a permit the ink had better not still be wet
> and you'd better be sure I know about it. I'm based
> out of Alexandria/springfield, VA BTW.
> 
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I seem to recall that this was a Dave Barry column from a couple of years 
ago (with a couple of trivial changes).

--garcia


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> BTW - If anyone knows of any statistical evidence
> which shows the proportion of rolling to sliding as a
> result of a motorcycle accident, I would really like
> to see that data.
>
> Jeremy Purdy
> '00 Yamaha V-Star - Jeade'en

Just my stats:  One slide - butt & elbow rash - and the elbow was impact
abrasion under heavy leather.  One tumble - soared over a left-turner
geezermobile and landed on my helmet and did the el rollo.  Buggered
knees, trashed helmet and boots, more road rash on heavy leather jacket.

Bill


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apologies in advance if the list frowns on this sort of thing, but:

i have one brand new size medium black/red/gray Tour Master Elite rain
jacket for sale.  $35 takes it.  the story is that i ordered a small and a
medium from MAW.  the small fits me well (i'm 5'10"), so i either send back
the medium and eat the return shipping charge, or i sell it to someone
locally.  they're  $44.95 new, but MAW had 'em on special for $30.40 + $8.33
per jacket for shipping+handling.  so the jacket cost me $38.73.  i'll let
it go for $35 since the return shipping plus my hassle would be more than
$3.73.

http://www.tourmaster.com/5d.html

it's a really nice jacket.  vented, various cinching devices to keep it from
flapping around, mesh lining so it doesn't stick to you, etc.  much better
than what i was expecting, frankly.  great value.  comes with a little
carrying pouch, too (bonus!).

interested parties contact me off-list.  thanks.
--
        -greg

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anyone own a pair of Joe Rocket Ballistic pants?  do you like 'em?  any
complaints?  i'm on the verge of buying a pair for both rain and abraision
protection, and any comments/advice would be welcome.

thanks.
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There are two reviews of Joe Rocket Ballistic pants to be found on

http://www.motorcyclegearreview.com

dave


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> anyone own a pair of Joe Rocket Ballistic pants?  do you like 'em?  any
> complaints?  i'm on the verge of buying a pair for both rain and abraision
> protection, and any comments/advice would be welcome.
>
> thanks.
> --
>         -greg
>


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If you wear leather because it's tough and safe, then chaps have no place on
a motorcycle.

If, however, you wear leather because it's cool, then no arguments will
convince you that chaps are nearly useless for protection.

I disagree that chaps are better than jeans only.  It's a false sense of
security.

Both of my crashes have been lowsides that involved lots of sliding on my
ass.  Had I been wearing chaps, I'd likely be crippled.

LindaT.
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99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy
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True or not this seems like something this list would enjoy.

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Did anyone happen to see the TV "show" (pun intended) hosted by Carmen
Electra on Thursday night?

It was about commercials that were "banned" in the US. One French commercial
showed a guy trying to donate to a sperm bank, but who couldn't seem to get
excited about the prospect to he tried unsuccessfully to read the various
sex magazines provided for that purpose .....they didn't work, but all of a
sudden he did seem to get excited and successfully deposited the fruits of
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taking an extremely long time so went to check on his reading material
>.....the magazine was open to an Aprilla ad.  <G>

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Honestly mom I have no idea how that cycle accesories
catalog got under my mattress. I say as I unstick the
pages. :-P~~~~


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> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 03:54:46 -0700
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> From: "Wes St.Onge" <w_stonge@XXXXXX>
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> <motolist@XXXXXX>
> Subject: Exciting !!
> 
> Did anyone happen to see the TV "show" (pun
> intended) hosted by Carmen
> Electra on Thursday night?
> 
> It was about commercials that were "banned" in the
> US. One French commercial
> showed a guy trying to donate to a sperm bank, but
> who couldn't seem to get
> excited about the prospect to he tried
> unsuccessfully to read the various
> sex magazines provided for that purpose .....they
> didn't work, but all of a
> sudden he did seem to get excited and successfully
> deposited the fruits of
> his labor on the receptionist's desk ....She had
> been noticing that he was
> taking an extremely long time so went to check on
> his reading material
> >.....the magazine was open to an Aprilla ad.  <G>
> 
> Wes St.Onge
> 
> 
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read my review on www.motorcyclegearreview.com

> complaints?  i'm on the verge of buying a pair for both rain and abraision
> protection

Abrasion : good
padding : pathetic (replace with GP armor)
rain : they wish!! always carry a rain suit.
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Jeremy,

New to the list?

Perry

>From: Jeremy Purdy <purdyjeremy@XXXXXX>
>To: Perry Coleman <perrycoleman@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX
>Subject: RE: Squids
>Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:49:52 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>--- Perry Coleman <perrycoleman@XXXXXX> wrote:
[snip]
> >
> > Chaps do look cool, though. And I've heard that
> > they're popular in certain
> > bars and clubs around Dupont Circle. Not that
> > there's anything wrong with
> > that! ;^)
>
>Thank you so much for invalidating your entire
>previous argument with flammatory comments which I
>would expect to hear in high school locker rooms and
>redneck bars but not in a forum of people whom I had
>considered to be somewhat educated and even possibly
>mature.
>
>
>BTW - If anyone knows of any statistical evidence
>which shows the proportion of rolling to sliding as a
>result of a motorcycle accident, I would really like
>to see that data.
>
>Jeremy Purdy
>'00 Yamaha V-Star - Jeade'en
>

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Subject: Sunday *slow* ride in Clifton

ok, Clifton ride then on Sunday the 17th. 2pm. Meet at the Exxon gas station at the traffic light where Prince William County parkway makes that left turn (if northbound from Woodbridge). If you want to go, give my cell a ring. 703-980-6716. See my prvious post about some of my stipulations. If there are more than 6 riders we'll split up the group and delay the start by 5 minutes for the 2nd group. We'll probably stay in the Clifton area so as to maximize road familiarity and to maximize turning practice. We will have short breaks between rounds so everyone can do a reality check and relax.

For the record, Clifton roads are not for the extreme novice and definately not at any fast clip. All corners are essentially blind, a good amount of off-camber, no shoulder, gravel/sand can be surprisingly common. And there are a million drive-ways with poor visibility. If you have issues with cornering (ie. you've never seen a twisty road), don't know how to look thru a turn, catch yourself running wide in corners because you're unsure of lean and tire traction then you can still come but I *MUST* know and I'll have a different route for you.

Again, this is a slow / relaxed ride. I'm not trying to scare people away. Really anyone should be able to get thru it safely as long as their reactions when faced with tight turns is to press harder on the handle-bar and keep the throttle on. Run off the road  in Clifton and you will get hurt. I harp on this because I've led 2 rides and both times I've had a rider crash because they panic'd and did the wrong things. I stop and wait at all major turns so there is no need to fear being "left behind" and thus having to push harder than you should be.

As far as gear is concerned, if you got it, wear it. It's NOT that hot in VA. And if it's too hot to wear gear, then it's too hot to ride. I will disinvite you if you show up in sub-standard gear. I'll tolerate jeans but frankly folks, buy some overpants that have armor in them.
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Unfortunately I will be at Budd's Creek on Sunday for the 125/250 National
MX races.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Patton" <pattonme@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 5:57 PM
Subject: Sunday *slow* ride in Clifton


> ok, Clifton ride then on Sunday the 17th. 2pm. Meet at the Exxon gas
station at the traffic light where Prince William County parkway makes that
left turn (if northbound from Woodbridge). If you want to go, give my cell a
ring. 703-980-6716. See my prvious post about some of my stipulations. If
there are more than 6 riders we'll split up the group and delay the start by
5 minutes for the 2nd group. We'll probably stay in the Clifton area so as
to maximize road familiarity and to maximize turning practice. We will have
short breaks between rounds so everyone can do a reality check and relax.
>
> For the record, Clifton roads are not for the extreme novice and
definately not at any fast clip. All corners are essentially blind, a good
amount of off-camber, no shoulder, gravel/sand can be surprisingly common.
And there are a million drive-ways with poor visibility. If you have issues
with cornering (ie. you've never seen a twisty road), don't know how to look
thru a turn, catch yourself running wide in corners because you're unsure of
lean and tire traction then you can still come but I *MUST* know and I'll
have a different route for you.
>
> Again, this is a slow / relaxed ride. I'm not trying to scare people away.
Really anyone should be able to get thru it safely as long as their
reactions when faced with tight turns is to press harder on the handle-bar
and keep the throttle on. Run off the road  in Clifton and you will get
hurt. I harp on this because I've led 2 rides and both times I've had a
rider crash because they panic'd and did the wrong things. I stop and wait
at all major turns so there is no need to fear being "left behind" and thus
having to push harder than you should be.
>
> As far as gear is concerned, if you got it, wear it. It's NOT that hot in
VA. And if it's too hot to wear gear, then it's too hot to ride. I will
disinvite you if you show up in sub-standard gear. I'll tolerate jeans but
frankly folks, buy some overpants that have armor in them.
> --
>
>
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>  only by whether physical coercion or violence against persons or
>  property occurs.  There is no right not to be offended by words,
>  actions or symbols."   - Richard E. Sincere, JR.
>
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Okay then, will someone be so kind as to recommend where to get an oil
change around West Alexandria?  I know, I know, I should do it myself.  But
I just don't have the power!

Cliff
'93 CB750

----- Original Message -----
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> Hello,
>
> Thanks to all you who recommended Potomac Amoco - I went up there this
> morning and got the bike inspected without an appointment in less than a
> half hour and it passed without any problems. Its a 93 Nighthawk. If
anyone
> else is looking to get a bike inspected, go there, corner of River Rd. and
> Falls Rd.
>
> ub
>
>

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Crossroads Cycles in Bailey's Crossroads VA.

Cliff Zigmond wrote:

> Okay then, will someone be so kind as to recommend where to get an oil
> change around West Alexandria?  I know, I know, I should do it myself.  But
> I just don't have the power!
>
> Cliff
> '93 CB750
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ulrich Boser" <uboser@XXXXXX>
> To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 9:54 AM
> Subject: MD Inspection
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Thanks to all you who recommended Potomac Amoco - I went up there this
> > morning and got the bike inspected without an appointment in less than a
> > half hour and it passed without any problems. Its a 93 Nighthawk. If
> anyone
> > else is looking to get a bike inspected, go there, corner of River Rd. and
> > Falls Rd.
> >
> > ub
> >
> >


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I've been reading for a while, posted a couple of
times, but all things considered yes I would say I am
new to the list,

Why, has this topic come up before?

Jeremy Purdy
'00 Yamaha V-Star - Jeade'en

--- Perry Coleman <perrycoleman@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Jeremy,
> 
> New to the list?
> 
> Perry
> 


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Reminder-- First  PHROG ride to Seneca Rocks meets @ Sheetz in Charles Town 
at 8:30 AM Sunday June 17. Departure at 9:00AM

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In order to satisfy my own curiosity, I would like to
determine some of the demographics of this list. 
Please take a couple of seconds to respond to this
highly un-scientific survey.

I will post the results here next Sunday (in order to
let any vacationing readers a chance to respond)

1. Is your primary motorcycle:
  a. Sport Bike
  b. Touring Bike
  c. Dual Sport
  d. Dirt Bike
  e. Cruiser
  f. Racing Bike

2. During the summer months, on average, how often do
you ride?
  a. Every Day, rain or shine
  b. Every day except for bad weather
  c. 3-5 days a week
  d. 1-2 days a week
  e. < 1 day a week

3. How many months a year do you ride?
  a. 12
  b. 9-11
  c. 5-8
  d. < 5

4. What age group are you in? (All responses will be
held strictly confidential)
  a. 55+
  b. 45-54
  c. 35-44
  d. 25-34
  e. <25
  f. Prefer not to answer

5. How old were you when you first started riding?
  a. 55+
  b. 45-54
  c. 35-44
  d. 25-34
  e. 15-24
  f. <15

6. Why did you start riding (best answer only)?
  a. Need for Speed
  b. To emulate a hero (movie star, racer, etc.)
  c. To connect with the world around me
  d. To make driving fun
  e. To join a group
  f. Because family members/friends did
  g. Other (Responses will be added to the list when
reported)

7. Do you race motorcycles?
  a. Yes
  b. No

Thanks for taking a couple of seconds to answer this
survey.

If anyone else has similar questions they have always
wondered about and would like to see included in this
survey, please e-mail them to me and I will add them
to a re-post of this message later in the week.

Jeremy Purdy
'00 Yamaha V-Star - Jeade'en

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1. c
2. a
3.a
4. e
5. e
6. g (Easy parking in D.C.)
7. b


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Hmm... Methinks these surveys have been done before- you might want to
check DCCycles.com.  But it's raining - so I'll fill it out...

Jeremy Purdy wrote:

> In order to satisfy my own curiosity, I would like to
> determine some of the demographics of this list.
> Please take a couple of seconds to respond to this
> highly un-scientific survey.
>
> I will post the results here next Sunday (in order to
> let any vacationing readers a chance to respond)
>
> 1. Is your primary motorcycle:
>     b. Touring Bike - That would be me - Harley FLHS
>
>
> 2. During the summer months, on average, how often do
> you ride?
>    b. Every day except for bad weather - don't get wet unless I have
> too...
>
>
> 3. How many months a year do you ride?
>    b. 9-11 - don't do frostbite either
>

> 4. What age group are you in? (All responses will be
> held strictly confidential)
>   a. 55+ - older than dirt
>
>
> 5. How old were you when you first started riding?
>     d. 25-34 - rode while in my teens, didn't own a  ride until later.

>
> 6. Why did you start riding (best answer only)?
>    g. Other (Responses will be added to the list when
> reported)  Easy commute and preferential parking at NOVA
>
> 7. Do you race motorcycles?
> Hell no - racing boats burned up all my spare racing cash.

> Thanks for taking a couple of seconds to answer this
> survey.
>
> If anyone else has similar questions they have always
> wondered about and would like to see included in this
> survey, please e-mail them to me and I will add them
> to a re-post of this message later in the week.
>
> Jeremy Purdy
> '00 Yamaha V-Star - Jeade'en


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I still haven't sold the helmet and tires below that I
emailed out a few weeks ago, so I have reduced the
prices on both of them as follows:

Helmet - Originally asked $170, now asking $125.  This
is a brand new, still-in-the-box motocross helmet! 
Great price even for a 2nd spare!
Tires - Originally $50, now asking $40.  Can't go
wrong with this price!

And for you skiiers...I'm also trying to get rid of an
old pair of Kastle downhill straight skis, size
190...asking $40 OBO.  I also have a pair of Salomon
Evolution 7.2 men's all-mountain boots, size
27.5...asking $70 OBO.

I do need to get rid of these items in the next couple
weeks before I move out of state, so contact me ASAP
if you (or someone you know) is interested.


Thanks,
Glenn

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I'm moving very soon and need to sell the following ASAP: 

Bell Moto 7 white motocross helmet, size 7 3/8. 
NEVER BEEN USED AND STILL IN ORIGINAL BOX!! 
Retail: $300 
Asking: $170 OBO



Dunlop D-204F Tires
Front: 120/70ZR17
Rear: 180/55ZR17

They're both the stock tires on my 98 VFR 800 with only 5000 miles on them, but the treads still have very good life left in them (ask other owners of these tires, i.e.-other VFR owners, who can vouch for the durability and life of these tires).  The only reason I replaced them last year was b/c I wanted to "upgrade" to a bit sportier tires (which I did with Bridgestone BT-56SS tires), but I kept the stock Dunlops as spares.  I now need to get rid of them prior to my move, so I'm asking just $50 OBO...great price for anyone looking for a cheap set of spares or just the economically-minded in search of good tires at a good price!!

Email me ASAP at this address if interested in either of the above.

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<P><BR><BR>Dunlop D-204F Tires<BR>Front: 120/70ZR17<BR>Rear: 180/55ZR17</P>
<P>They're both the stock tires on my 98 VFR 800 with only 5000 miles on them, but the treads still have very good life left in them (ask other owners of these tires, i.e.-other VFR owners, who can vouch for the durability and life of these tires).&nbsp; The only reason I replaced them last&nbsp;year&nbsp;was b/c I wanted to "upgrade" to a bit sportier tires (which I did with Bridgestone BT-56SS tires), but I kept the stock Dunlops as spares.&nbsp; I now need to get rid of them prior to my move, so I'm asking just $50 OBO...great price for anyone looking for a cheap set of spares or just the economically-minded in search of good tires at a good price!!</P>
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Due to the weather, you'll get a second chance if you wanted to see this 
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        Has anyone installed an amp-u-tron on a sportbike?
I want to mount it in the left side fairing panel and was
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Has anyone ordered any tires from the above site?  They seem to have pretty
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Comments?

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Since I'm a trouble maker by nature...

1. Is your primary motorcycle:
  g. Sport Touring Bike (and what about Standards?) :)

2. During the summer months, on average, how often do
you ride?
  b. Every day except for bad weather (with Bill on
this one)

3. How many months a year do you ride?
  a. 12 (and now I have an alternator that will
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  c. 35-44 (D'Oh! *just* missed the "young" group)

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was 20)

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vehicles!  What a country!)

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I'm thinking of putting these on my '93 CBR1000F streetbike.. Any of 
you kids have experience with this tire on the street? (Note: This is 
the street DOT, not the GP DOT.) Thanks.

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Sean Jordan
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'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
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In a message dated 6/18/01 11:29:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
sean.jordan@XXXXXX writes:

> I'm thinking of putting these on my '93 CBR1000F streetbike.. Any of 
>  you kids have experience with this tire on the street? (Note: This is 
>  the street DOT, not the GP DOT.) Thanks.

Seems to be fairly decent to me.  It's the stock rubber on my new toy.  No 
major surprises so far.

Keener

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I have no beef with their products. But make sure you call your order in or be prepared to do battle with your CCard company due to unauthorized charges showing up. If you use their website your credit card information is sent *IN THE CLEAR* via email to a sales droid. They and their pathetic ISP have the gall to claim they have a 'secure' site. If you feel like mentioning that when you call, all the better. I'm pondering filing a BBB complaint against them.

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>Hey, were you at VIR?  I didnt get around much....too busy 
>racing/working.  We got 3rd in the endurance.
>jason

I sure was! I drove up Friday night and left Sunday afternoon. I was 
on the blue 400, #779. I was pitted with Speedwerks. I was going to 
run the endurance on Friday but that fell through. Sorry I didn't get 
a chance to meet you. I did meet Jason Temme, and a few other guys 
from the list though. Congratulations on your win!

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'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
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Sorry, my last post was a private response, not supposed to go to the 
list. That's why it makes no sense.

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I had my first racing crash this weekend at VIR in my first nationals race.
And let me tell you, it is NOT cool.  I was virtually unhurt, thanks to my
wonderful safety gear.  Bruised ribs, bruises on arms and legs, and a hell
of a scare, but I will tell you, how it looks to a spectator (oh, that's not
such a bad crash) sure doesn't feel the same when it's you tumbling on the
dirt!!!!

Part of the crash wasn't my fault, but part was.  Basically got pushed out
of a turn at the bottom of the roller coaster, I had more entry speed than
the guy that cut in front of me, and I was stuck on the outside of him...ran
out of track.  Had two choices 1. hit him 2. stand the bike up and go off
the track.  I chose the second (although now I wish I hadn't).  So, after
standing the bike up and hitting the dirt, I made a really stupid beginners
mistake...grabbed the front brake.  All I was thinking was "i'm going down a
hill and I need to slow down."  I panicked, and that's all she wrote.  Rear
end slid out, low-sided, and tumbled a few times.  Landed on my ribs and
knocked the wind out me.  It sucked.

the aprilia crashed much better than I did!!! she is a little bit dirty and
needs a new brake lever, but that's about it.  Overall, though, had a great
weekend and learned a ton!!!

But anyways, for those of you who think crashing is so damn cool....go try
it.  I guarantee even a little low-side will get your panties in a bunch.

LAG


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Subject: Re: for you numbskulls who think crashing is cool...
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Sorry you took a spill, but glad you're ok.  :-)
Did you find the guy who cut you off and punch him in
the ribs, for good measure?  ;-)

- Jeannette
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--- Laura Granato <lgranato@XXXXXX> wrote:
> I had my first racing crash this weekend at VIR in
> my first nationals race.
> And let me tell you, it is NOT cool.  I was
> virtually unhurt, thanks to my
> wonderful safety gear.  Bruised ribs, bruises on
> arms and legs, and a hell
> of a scare, but I will tell you, how it looks to a
> spectator (oh, that's not
> such a bad crash) sure doesn't feel the same when
> it's you tumbling on the
> dirt!!!!
> 
> Part of the crash wasn't my fault, but part was. 
> Basically got pushed out
> of a turn at the bottom of the roller coaster, I had
> more entry speed than
> the guy that cut in front of me, and I was stuck on
> the outside of him...ran
> out of track.  Had two choices 1. hit him 2. stand
> the bike up and go off
> the track.  I chose the second (although now I wish
> I hadn't).  So, after
> standing the bike up and hitting the dirt, I made a
> really stupid beginners
> mistake...grabbed the front brake.  All I was
> thinking was "i'm going down a
> hill and I need to slow down."  I panicked, and
> that's all she wrote.  Rear
> end slid out, low-sided, and tumbled a few times. 
> Landed on my ribs and
> knocked the wind out me.  It sucked.
> 
> the aprilia crashed much better than I did!!! she is
> a little bit dirty and
> needs a new brake lever, but that's about it. 
> Overall, though, had a great
> weekend and learned a ton!!!
> 
> But anyways, for those of you who think crashing is
> so damn cool....go try
> it.  I guarantee even a little low-side will get
> your panties in a bunch.
> 
> LAG
> 


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Any suggestions on where to find the cheapest new Suzuki parts? My 
brother got a FREE '89 Katana and is freshening up the motor. Thanks.

-- 
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the 
skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
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Sean,

Tell your brother he just got ripped off. ;^P

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Hope you feel better soon Laura. Be thankful, it could always be worse. :)
Let's try to avoid MX'n from now on, what do you say?

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> I had my first racing crash this weekend at VIR in my first nationals
race.
snip...



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Hey Laura,

Sorry the hear about your shunt, luckily you were unhurt and the bike didn't sustain much damage. 

Crashing on the street is much worse, get's my panties...er underwear in a bunch everytime.

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>>> "Laura Granato" <lgranato@XXXXXX> 06/18/01 02:57PM >>>
I had my first racing crash this weekend at VIR in my first nationals race.
And let me tell you, it is NOT cool.  I was virtually unhurt, thanks to my
wonderful safety gear.  Bruised ribs, bruises on arms and legs, and a hell
of a scare, but I will tell you, how it looks to a spectator (oh, that's not
such a bad crash) sure doesn't feel the same when it's you tumbling on the
dirt!!!!

Part of the crash wasn't my fault, but part was.  Basically got pushed out
of a turn at the bottom of the roller coaster, I had more entry speed than
the guy that cut in front of me, and I was stuck on the outside of him...ran
out of track.  Had two choices 1. hit him 2. stand the bike up and go off
the track.  I chose the second (although now I wish I hadn't).  So, after
standing the bike up and hitting the dirt, I made a really stupid beginners
mistake...grabbed the front brake.  All I was thinking was "i'm going down a
hill and I need to slow down."  I panicked, and that's all she wrote.  Rear
end slid out, low-sided, and tumbled a few times.  Landed on my ribs and
knocked the wind out me.  It sucked.

the aprilia crashed much better than I did!!! she is a little bit dirty and
needs a new brake lever, but that's about it.  Overall, though, had a great
weekend and learned a ton!!!

But anyways, for those of you who think crashing is so damn cool....go try
it.  I guarantee even a little low-side will get your panties in a bunch.

LAG



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Glad to hear you're OK there. 

...and by the way - I don't wear panties anymore.

Niv
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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 11:57 AM
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But anyways, for those of you who think crashing is so damn cool....go try
it.  I guarantee even a little low-side will get your panties in a bunch.

LAG

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I have BT010s mounted on my VFR.  A great improvement over the OEM
tires. The bike really falls into the turns now. I recommend them and
are a real crowd pleaser on the VFR list.

My .02 worth.
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> From: SKeener2@XXXXXX
> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 11:41:56 EDT
> Subject: 
> To: sean.jordan@XXXXXX, race@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> 
> In a message dated 6/18/01 11:29:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> 
> > I'm thinking of putting these on my '93 CBR1000F streetbike.. Any
> of
> >  you kids have experience with this tire on the street? (Note:


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But anyways, for those of you who think crashing is so damn cool....go try
it.  I guarantee even a little low-side will get your panties in a bunch.

LAG
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Sorry about your get-off Laura.  Would it be too goulish to point out that
it was bound to happen, and probably will again?  Not to say you are a bad
rider, but crashing happens alot at a race track until (usually) you get
your white numbers ;-)

Glad to hear you only suffered a couple bruised ribs though.  Chalk it up to
experience.  Stay out of the outside at high-speed.  I imagine another
scenario would be that dude loses his front end and by no fault of your own,
he wipes you both out (cringe)....

I think you are remembering Ricardo Pontes and his inane comments about
racers and racing in general.  He hates racing, but he loves the crashes.
Tool.

Todd (Springfield)


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>
> Sorry about your get-off Laura.  Would it be too goulish to point out that
> it was bound to happen, and probably will again?

not at all, Todd...that's racing!  I understand that...it was just a little
scary for me because I've never crashed anything, not even my car (knock on
wood) and during my lifetime, I've never been hurt doing anything...so it
freaked me out.  Crashing is definitely part of racing, I'm just glad I have
a few weeks to forget about it before I get back on the bike. ;-)

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  Greeting,

  I need your input.  I have a friend who knows little about repairing, 
maintaining his 92 FZR600.  Unfortunately, I wasn't around last week to help 
him out.  He took his bike to a new shop north of Baltimore...in 
Cockeysville called Performance Cycle.  The guy changed his front pads, 
bleed the front brakes, and installed a new bulb in his instrument cluster.  
Cake right.  Bleeding the brakes takes no more than about 5 min on a bike 
and replacing them is just as easy.  The owner ended up charging him $228 
for it all.  $80 for the brakes, $6 brake fluid, no charge for the bulb, and 
the rest labor (about $142).  The guy told him it took 2hrs to do the 
brakes.  I told my bud he got ripped off, so he called him back for feedback 
on his service.  The guy ended up stating that he was as competitive as all 
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To: Devin Ginther <dev_ginther@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX
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Sounds like he replaced the brake fluid; that's a bit
more than just bleeding the brakes.  Not sure how
difficult it is to get to the bulb in the instrument
cluster, but it could involve a bit of disassembly.
$142 for labor is about 3 hours, not too unreasonable.

I vote reasonable.  Doesn't sound like a ripoff to me.

Leon.


--- Devin Ginther <dev_ginther@XXXXXX> wrote:
>   Greeting,
> 
>   I need your input.  I have a friend who knows
> little about repairing, 
> maintaining his 92 FZR600.  Unfortunately, I wasn't
> around last week to help 
> him out.  He took his bike to a new shop north of
> Baltimore...in 
> Cockeysville called Performance Cycle.  The guy
> changed his front pads, 
> bleed the front brakes, and installed a new bulb in
> his instrument cluster.  
> Cake right.  Bleeding the brakes takes no more than
> about 5 min on a bike 
> and replacing them is just as easy.  The owner ended
> up charging him $228 
> for it all.  $80 for the brakes, $6 brake fluid, no
> charge for the bulb, and 
> the rest labor (about $142).  The guy told him it
> took 2hrs to do the 
> brakes.  I told my bud he got ripped off, so he
> called him back for feedback 
> on his service.  The guy ended up stating that he
> was as competitive as all 
> the other local shops.  So am I insane?  Or isn't
> this the biggest load of 
> crap you've ever heard of?????
> 
>   Devin Ginther
>   1995 GSXR1100
>
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In a message dated 6/19/01 10:27:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
dev_ginther@XXXXXX writes:

> The owner ended up charging him $228 
>  for it all.  $80 for the brakes, $6 brake fluid, no charge for the bulb, 
and 
>  the rest labor (about $142).  The guy told him it took 2hrs to do the 
>  brakes.  I told my bud he got ripped off, so he called him back for 
feedback 
>  on his service.  The guy ended up stating that he was as competitive as 
all 
>  the other local shops.  So am I insane?  Or isn't this the biggest load of 
>  crap you've ever heard of?????

Yes and no.  $80 for brake front brake pads...probably in the park.  I pay 
less for pads at the track....but they are also usually discounted.

Bleeding the brakes...well...depends on how quickly they come in.  I've had 
times where it takes 5 minutes.  I've also had times where several people 
screwed with them for 3 days before getting that final bubble out and they 
come up correctly.  It's not a science...it's more of an art.  (Tap 
here...crack bleed there...etc.)

Plus the shop needs to make a profit.  Is it a tad high...probably.  But 
egregious...probably not.  If you want a good shop...try SpeedWerks in Dover 
Delaware.  They are excellent and have great prices.  I have them work on all 
of my racebikes...and I live in Virginia.  :-)

Keener

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Nope, sounds in the ball park for $$$.  I had to bleed front brakes after
replacing a front brake line and lemme tell ya - took way more than few
minutes.  More like an hour.  I also passed wrenchs while my cuz replaced the
front pads on his Harley - major PITA, took us at least four beers and a pizza
to get thru that one.  And DOT5 brake fluid ain't cheap.

Bill


Devin Ginther wrote:

>   Greeting,
>
>   I need your input.  I have a friend who knows little about repairing,
> maintaining his 92 FZR600.  Unfortunately, I wasn't around last week to help
> him out.  He took his bike to a new shop north of Baltimore...in
> Cockeysville called Performance Cycle.  The guy changed his front pads,
> bleed the front brakes, and installed a new bulb in his instrument cluster.
> Cake right.  Bleeding the brakes takes no more than about 5 min on a bike
> and replacing them is just as easy.  The owner ended up charging him $228
> for it all.  $80 for the brakes, $6 brake fluid, no charge for the bulb, and
> the rest labor (about $142).  The guy told him it took 2hrs to do the
> brakes.  I told my bud he got ripped off, so he called him back for feedback
> on his service.  The guy ended up stating that he was as competitive as all
> the other local shops.  So am I insane?  Or isn't this the biggest load of
> crap you've ever heard of?????
>
>   Devin Ginther
>   1995 GSXR1100
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Subject: Re: New Baltimore shop....rip off?
To: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>,
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You guys seem to be missing something hear...  Any
decent shop should own a bleeder tool that hooks to an
air compressor and sucks the fluid through with zero
bubbles.  Changing the brake or clutch fluid with one
of those takes minutes at most.  At $180 I'm thinking
of buying one myself.

Glenn

--- "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Nope, sounds in the ball park for $$$.  I had to
> bleed front brakes after
> replacing a front brake line and lemme tell ya -
> took way more than few
> minutes.  More like an hour.  I also passed wrenchs
> while my cuz replaced the
> front pads on his Harley - major PITA, took us at
> least four beers and a pizza
> to get thru that one.  And DOT5 brake fluid ain't
> cheap.
> 


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On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Glenn Dysart wrote:
> You guys seem to be missing something hear...  Any
> decent shop should own a bleeder tool that hooks to an
> air compressor and sucks the fluid through with zero
> bubbles.  Changing the brake or clutch fluid with one
> of those takes minutes at most.  At $180 I'm thinking
> of buying one myself.

I was going to mention this :) Thanks Glenn.

Even using a MightyVac manual pump bleeder takes a lot less than an hour.

- Roach

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True, but one must amoritize the cost of special equipment when in
bizz.  What you pay for is the mechanic's time plus his trained
knowledge X 2 to cover overhead (the shop) which includes all the
*special* tools.

And one must take into account "local prices".  In order to feed the fam
a tech-mech has to pull in big bucks per hour around this burg.  The
rate of the last tech-mech who worked on my beast was about 2/3 of our
local rates - he lived in East Bugsplat NC, brand new 1400 sq foot house
~ 75K.  And my van had a front brake failure in Swampy Corners NC - pop
512.  Rotors turned, wheel bearings repacked, rebuilt calipers, new
pads, came to $184.  Try that in Metro-burg!

Bill

Glenn Dysart wrote:

> You guys seem to be missing something hear...  Any
> decent shop should own a bleeder tool that hooks to an
> air compressor and sucks the fluid through with zero
> bubbles.  Changing the brake or clutch fluid with one
> of those takes minutes at most.  At $180 I'm thinking
> of buying one myself.
>
> Glenn
>
> --- "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > Nope, sounds in the ball park for $$$.  I had to
> > bleed front brakes after
> > replacing a front brake line and lemme tell ya -
> > took way more than few
> > minutes.  More like an hour.  I also passed wrenchs
> > while my cuz replaced the
> > front pads on his Harley - major PITA, took us at
> > least four beers and a pizza
> > to get thru that one.  And DOT5 brake fluid ain't
> > cheap.
> >
>
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From: Glenn Dysart <glenn_dysart@XXXXXX>
You guys seem to be missing something hear...  Any
decent shop should own a bleeder tool that hooks to an
air compressor and sucks the fluid through with zero
bubbles.  Changing the brake or clutch fluid with one
of those takes minutes at most.  At $180 I'm thinking
of buying one myself.
The thing everyone's missing is the pad change which was mentioned.  at least in
my experience that requires removing the calipers so you can push the pistons
back in.  Not a 3 hour job in itself for someone who's experienced, but... 
Overall, I would definitely not say your friend was ripped off _compared to what
other shops would charge_.  Maybe this is due to poor experience/low
expectations more than whether I actually think 3 hours is what it should take
an experienced mechanic to accomplish the stated tasks.

Keep the shiny side up!

R

'00 ZX-9R  Voodoo
'96 VFR

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Flat rate. Gotta love the flat rate. (I know I do!) Book says a job takes 
three hours. That's what is costs the customer. Mechanic does it in 1.5 
hours. That's how he makes money. A GOOD mechanic will turn in 16-20 hours of 
labor in an 8 hour work day....

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At 08:51 PM 6/19/01, ThomasAJordan@XXXXXX wrote:
>Flat rate. Gotta love the flat rate. (I know I do!) Book says a job takes
>three hours. That's what is costs the customer. Mechanic does it in 1.5
>hours. That's how he makes money. A GOOD mechanic will turn in 16-20 hours of
>labor in an 8 hour work day....

Exactly. Any gas station mechanic who couldn't change pads and
dust seals, bleed and top off on *both* front wheels of a *car* in
less than an hour wouldn't have a job. Can any bike be that much
more difficult?

The other part is the price of the pads. Sounds like you're paying
around double retail price for OEM pads at $80.

-- Larry
'01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco (Back tomorrow! Yippee!)
'84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike)
'01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small
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Exactly. Any gas station mechanic who couldn't change pads and <br>
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, ThomasAJordan@XXXXXX wrote:

> > Flat rate. Gotta love the flat rate. (I know I do!) Book says a job takes
> three hours. That's what is costs the customer. Mechanic does it in 1.5
> hours. That's how he makes money. A GOOD mechanic will turn in 16-20 hours
> of labor in an 8 hour work day....

Only because people in this area are mostly clueless and will pay it. With 
bike shops, you're kind of hosed around here - they all suck... but there are 
MANY independant garages (for cars) that will not screw you like this. 
Our shop charges $45 an hour labor, and you get billed for the actual labor 
with a one hour min being the only caveat. Of course, Dover DE is a LOT 
cheaper than Metro DC :)

- Roach

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Brian Roach wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Glenn Dysart wrote:
> > You guys seem to be missing something hear...  Any
> > decent shop should own a bleeder tool that hooks to an
> > air compressor and sucks the fluid through with zero
> > bubbles.  Changing the brake or clutch fluid with one
> > of those takes minutes at most.  At $180 I'm thinking
> > of buying one myself.
> 
> I was going to mention this :) Thanks Glenn.
> 
> Even using a MightyVac manual pump bleeder takes a lot less than an hour.

I haven't had much luck with the MightyVac and bleeding the Connie
brakes - somehow they still end up spongy.  Not sure what I'm
doing wrong.  Maybe it's just a Connie thing.  Anyway, I'm gonna 
try a different method, fill up a pump-style oil can with brake 
fluid, and fill up the calipers, hoses, and master cylinder from 
the bottom up.  Hopefully I'll get better results that way.

Horkster


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On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Dale Horstman wrote:
>
> I haven't had much luck with the MightyVac and bleeding the Connie
> brakes - somehow they still end up spongy.  Not sure what I'm
> doing wrong.  Maybe it's just a Connie thing.  Anyway, I'm gonna
> try a different method, fill up a pump-style oil can with brake
> fluid, and fill up the calipers, hoses, and master cylinder from
> the bottom up.  Hopefully I'll get better results that way.

Does the connie have a top bleed screw near the banjo bolts? If so you can 
suck fluid up from the bottom using the mightyVac.

- Roach

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Brian Roach wrote:

> Does the connie have a top bleed screw near the banjo bolts? If so you can
> suck fluid up from the bottom using the mightyVac.

No, but I wish it did.  There's gotta be air hiding somewhere in the 
lines or the crossover.

Hork


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Dale Horstman wrote:

> I haven't had much luck with the MightyVac and bleeding the Connie
> brakes - somehow they still end up spongy.  Not sure what I'm
> doing wrong.  Maybe it's just a Connie thing.  Anyway, I'm gonna
> try a different method, fill up a pump-style oil can with brake
> fluid, and fill up the calipers, hoses, and master cylinder from
> the bottom up.  Hopefully I'll get better results that way.
>
> Horkster

Bottom loading is the best method of bleeding bike brakes.  I thought about
giving it a try also, but I was a little short on shade-tree engineering
piecy-parts to cobble together a rig.  Method two, gravity bleeding from the
master cylinder down worked in the end but it took for-freaking-ever.  But that
bike had one caliper, one line.  I'd hate to try it on the bagger with two
lines and calipers.  Methinks I'd have to refreash my garage word vocab for
that project.

Bill


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This is unbelievable.  It matters not if you like Mat Mladin.  The last time
I checked it was a free country.  He is being find and having a point
deducted for his comments.

http://www.amasuperbike.com/pole_loud_01_presc.htm

http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=2153

I contacted AMA and told them what they could do with my membership.


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---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Gary Foreman" <fj1100@XXXXXX>
>This is unbelievable.  It matters not if you like Mat Mladin.  The last time
>I checked it was a free country.  He is being find and having a point
>deducted for his comments.
>http://www.amasuperbike.com/pole_loud_01_presc.htm
>http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=2153


I'd like to know what he said.  The first link above just has him criticizing Bostrom for allegedly blocking him, but
http://www.amasuperbike.com/matfined01loud.htm
says:
"... Mladin instead opened the press conference using profanity at times to criticize New Hampshire International Speedway, an AMA Pro Racing official, a newspaper reporter and fellow competitors. 
"


Chris Norloff



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That's strange, the Cyclenews link worked yesterday.  Maybe AMA is fining
them too :-)

Gary

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---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Gary Foreman" <fj1100@XXXXXX>
>This is unbelievable.  It matters not if you like Mat Mladin.  The last
time
>I checked it was a free country.  He is being find and having a point
>deducted for his comments.
>http://www.amasuperbike.com/pole_loud_01_presc.htm
>http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=2153


I'd like to know what he said.  The first link above just has him
criticizing Bostrom for allegedly blocking him, but
http://www.amasuperbike.com/matfined01loud.htm
says:
"... Mladin instead opened the press conference using profanity at times to
criticize New Hampshire International Speedway, an AMA Pro Racing official,
a newspaper reporter and fellow competitors.
"


Chris Norloff




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I'd like to see it, too.  :-(
Could you give us a summary?  Did he just cuss out
some people?  So WHAT?


- Jeannette
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  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

--- Gary Foreman <fj1100@XXXXXX> wrote:
> That's strange, the Cyclenews link worked yesterday.
>  Maybe AMA is fining
> them too :-)
> 
> Gary
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 8:04 AM
> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> Subject: Re: Mladin being fined by AMA!
> 
> 
> ---------- Original Message
> ----------------------------------
> From: "Gary Foreman" <fj1100@XXXXXX>
> >This is unbelievable.  It matters not if you like
> Mat Mladin.  The last
> time
> >I checked it was a free country.  He is being find
> and having a point
> >deducted for his comments.
> >http://www.amasuperbike.com/pole_loud_01_presc.htm
>
>http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=2153
> 
> 
> I'd like to know what he said.  The first link above
> just has him
> criticizing Bostrom for allegedly blocking him, but
> http://www.amasuperbike.com/matfined01loud.htm
> says:
> "... Mladin instead opened the press conference
> using profanity at times to
> criticize New Hampshire International Speedway, an
> AMA Pro Racing official,
> a newspaper reporter and fellow competitors.
> "
> 
> 
> Chris Norloff
> 
> 
> 


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Sounds to me like it's a simple case of poor sportsmanship. They do the same
thing in all other sports so I don't see the big deal?

Pete Wimer
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I'd like to see it, too.  :-(
Could you give us a summary?  Did he just cuss out
some people?  So WHAT?


- Jeannette
  '86 VFR 700 F2
  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

--- Gary Foreman <fj1100@XXXXXX> wrote:
> That's strange, the Cyclenews link worked yesterday.
>  Maybe AMA is fining
> them too :-)
> 
> Gary
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 8:04 AM
> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> Subject: Re: Mladin being fined by AMA!
> 
> 
> ---------- Original Message
> ----------------------------------
> From: "Gary Foreman" <fj1100@XXXXXX>
> >This is unbelievable.  It matters not if you like
> Mat Mladin.  The last
> time
> >I checked it was a free country.  He is being find
> and having a point
> >deducted for his comments.
> >http://www.amasuperbike.com/pole_loud_01_presc.htm
>
>http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=2153
> 
> 
> I'd like to know what he said.  The first link above
> just has him
> criticizing Bostrom for allegedly blocking him, but
> http://www.amasuperbike.com/matfined01loud.htm
> says:
> "... Mladin instead opened the press conference
> using profanity at times to
> criticize New Hampshire International Speedway, an
> AMA Pro Racing official,
> a newspaper reporter and fellow competitors.
> "
> 
> 
> Chris Norloff
> 
> 
> 


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Here's a link to some of the things he had to say:
http://www.amasuperbike.com/mladin_has_his_say.htm

What it comes down to is a complete lack of
professionalism on Mladin's part.  If he has safety
issues with the track and the way it was being
reported in the local press thats fine.  He chose the
wrong venue and the wrong means to express his
thoughts.  

Imagine this scenario - You are at work and are
supposed to be making a presentation about a project
to the press, a large client and your management and
instead of discussing the project you rant and rave
about how the client sucks, the press sucks and your
management sucks.  I don't think you would be employed
for very long. 

Personally, I think Mladin got off way too easy.  But
being the best racer in America can lead to
preferential treatment.

Don B

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeannette [mailto:gingerdc9@XXXXXX]
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 8:41 AM
To: Gary Foreman; cnorloff@XXXXXX;
dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: RE: Mladin being fined by AMA!


I'd like to see it, too.  :-(
Could you give us a summary?  Did he just cuss out
some people?  So WHAT?


- Jeannette
  '86 VFR 700 F2
  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

--- Gary Foreman <fj1100@XXXXXX> wrote:
> That's strange, the Cyclenews link worked yesterday.
>  Maybe AMA is fining
> them too :-)
> 
> Gary
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 8:04 AM
> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> Subject: Re: Mladin being fined by AMA!
> 
> 
> ---------- Original Message
> ----------------------------------
> From: "Gary Foreman" <fj1100@XXXXXX>
> >This is unbelievable.  It matters not if you like
> Mat Mladin.  The last
> time
> >I checked it was a free country.  He is being find
> and having a point
> >deducted for his comments.
> >http://www.amasuperbike.com/pole_loud_01_presc.htm
>
>http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=2153
> 
> 
> I'd like to know what he said.  The first link above
> just has him
> criticizing Bostrom for allegedly blocking him, but
> http://www.amasuperbike.com/matfined01loud.htm
> says:
> "... Mladin instead opened the press conference
> using profanity at times to
> criticize New Hampshire International Speedway, an
> AMA Pro Racing official,
> a newspaper reporter and fellow competitors.
> "
> 
> 
> Chris Norloff
> 
> 
> 


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Just throwing in my 2 cents here FWIW.  But if you're looking for a good
local Northern Virginia independent motorcycle shop, try Crossroads
Cycles in Bailey's Crossroads (Falls Church).  (703) 820-3711.  Denny
and his crew have done good work for me and I've always found them to be
honest.

Of course, you could go to Dover, DE and let that rookie Roach wrench
your bike! %^)

Brian Roach wrote <SNIP>:
> 
> MANY independant garages (for cars) that will not screw you like this.
> Our shop charges $45 an hour labor, and you get billed for the actual labor
> with a one hour min being the only caveat. Of course, Dover DE is a LOT
> cheaper than Metro DC :)

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After reading that, he simply sounds really pissed off
about the crappy track and is expressing his opinions
about the safety issues.  I really see no problem with
that.  Has this been an issue that he's brought up
before?  If it has, I'd be pissed off too.  I see
nothing wrong with what he said, personally.  Am I
missing something?

- Jeannette
  '86 VFR 700 F2
  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

--- CBR's Rule <mrcbr@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Here's a link to some of the things he had to say:
> http://www.amasuperbike.com/mladin_has_his_say.htm
> 
> What it comes down to is a complete lack of
> professionalism on Mladin's part.  If he has safety
> issues with the track and the way it was being
> reported in the local press thats fine.  He chose
> the
> wrong venue and the wrong means to express his
> thoughts.  
> 
> Imagine this scenario - You are at work and are
> supposed to be making a presentation about a project
> to the press, a large client and your management and
> instead of discussing the project you rant and rave
> about how the client sucks, the press sucks and your
> management sucks.  I don't think you would be
> employed
> for very long. 
> 
> Personally, I think Mladin got off way too easy. 
> But
> being the best racer in America can lead to
> preferential treatment.
> 
> Don B
> 
>


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Here's what Motorcycle Online reported:

http://news.motorcycle.com/article.motml?sid=932

Sounds like he was being fined (in no particular order) for:

- Using profanity at the press conference (probably a justifiable reason
to levy a fine).
- Criticizing New Hampshire International Speedway, an AMA Pro Racing
official, a newspaper reporter and fellow competitors (which IMHO is a
bogus reason to fine anyone).

Chuck, aka Deerhunter

Chris Norloff wrote:
> 
> I'd like to know what he said.  The first link above just has him criticizing Bostrom for allegedly blocking him,

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I agree on the profanity.  But not for the other comments.

I also don't like how they stick a microphone in your face before you even
dismount most of the time.  No time to cool down after a frustrating run.
Don't you love it after a guy crashes in the Daytona 200 they run over and
ask "so, how do you feel?"  Sometimes I'm surprised they don't get punched
out :-)

Gary

-----Original Message-----
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Here's what Motorcycle Online reported:

http://news.motorcycle.com/article.motml?sid=932

Sounds like he was being fined (in no particular order) for:

- Using profanity at the press conference (probably a justifiable reason
to levy a fine).
- Criticizing New Hampshire International Speedway, an AMA Pro Racing
official, a newspaper reporter and fellow competitors (which IMHO is a
bogus reason to fine anyone).

Chuck, aka Deerhunter

Chris Norloff wrote:
>
> I'd like to know what he said.  The first link above just has him
criticizing Bostrom for allegedly blocking him,

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For any of you who missed my original posting, I am
attempting to satisfy my own personal curiosity as to
the demographic makeup of this forum by running a
short survey.

The results of this highly unscientific survey will be
posted on Sunday.

This posting includes some additional responses to a
couple of questions, including:  the addition of
Standard and Sport Touring Bike to the list of
motorcycle types for Question 1.  Leaving out Standard
was simply an oversight.  I had been lumping Sport
Tourers in with Tourers, but due to the public outcry,
I guess I can accept them as a separate type of MC.

There are also additional responses to the Why did you
start riding question.  If anyone desires to change a
previous answer to one of the new answers, just let me
know off-line, so that I can update your response.

BTW: I just realized that I am reading everyone else's
responses, but I have not posted my own.  So, for what
it's worth:
1.   e. Cruiser
2.   a. Every Day, rain or shine
3.   a. 12
4.   d. 25-34
5.   d. 25-34
6.   c. To connect with the world around me
7.   b. No


1. Is your primary motorcycle:
  a. Sport Bike
  b. Touring Bike
  c. Dual Sport
  d. Dirt Bike
  e. Cruiser
  f. Racing Bike
  g. Standard
  h. Sport Touring Bike

2. During the summer months, on average, how often do
you ride?
  a. Every Day, rain or shine
  b. Every day except for bad weather
  c. 3-5 days a week
  d. 1-2 days a week
  e. < 1 day a week

3. How many months a year do you ride?
  a. 12
  b. 9-11
  c. 5-8
  d. < 5

4. What age group are you in? (All responses will be
held strictly confidential)
  a. 55+
  b. 45-54
  c. 35-44
  d. 25-34
  e. <25
  f. Prefer not to answer

5. How old were you when you first started riding?
  a. 55+
  b. 45-54
  c. 35-44
  d. 25-34
  e. 15-24
  f. <15

6. Why did you start riding (best answer only)?
  a. Need for Speed
  b. To emulate a hero (movie star, racer, etc.)
  c. To connect with the world around me
  d. To make driving fun
  e. To join a group
  f. Because family members/friends did
  g. Convenience / Affordability (includes commuting /
parking)
  h. That Certain Je Ne Sais Quois (I don't know what
- for those who don't know French)
  i. Freedom of the Open Road
  j. Needed for Work
  k. Other 

7. Do you race motorcycles?
  a. Yes
  b. No



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> 1. Is your primary motorcycle:
    a. Sport Bike
        -GSXR1000     =8-))

>  2. During the summer months, on average, how often do
>  you ride?
    c. 3-5 days a week
  
>  3. How many months a year do you ride?
    b. 9-11
        Race season baby!!!  Feb-Oct!!!

>  4. What age group are you in? (All responses will be
>  held strictly confidential)
    d. 25-34

>  5. How old were you when you first started riding?
    e. 15-24

>  6. Why did you start riding (best answer only)?
    f. Because family members/friends did

>  7. Do you race motorcycles?
    a. Yes
        That would be HELL YES!  :)

Is this where we write our essay on our summer biking adventures?  :-))

Keener

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I couldn't disagree more. Judging from the article, I
thought Mladin was right on target. Don't forget that
it's his life on the line out there - in my opinion
that allows him to voice WHATEVER safety concerns he
has in any forum available to him. IMO, he earns that
right whenever he goes out onto the track.

Your scenario is flawed in several ways. There's no
one's personal safety involved in your example. If you
want to go with this comparison, though, it's more
like having a conference in a crappy hotel - don't
think the hotel management and the person in the
company who chose that hotel wouldn't hear about THAT.

Chris Weaver


--- CBR's Rule <mrcbr@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Here's a link to some of the things he had to say:
> http://www.amasuperbike.com/mladin_has_his_say.htm

> Imagine this scenario - You are at work and are
> supposed to be making a presentation about a project
> to the press, a large client and your management and
> instead of discussing the project you rant and rave
> about how the client sucks, the press sucks and your
> management sucks.  I don't think you would be
> employed
> for very long. 



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1. e Cruiser and g. Standard about equally
2. a. Every Day, rain or shine
3. a. 12
4. d. 25-34
5. d. 25-34
6. f. because family members/friends did
7. b. no



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Chris Norloff wrote:
> 
> "... Mladin instead opened the press conference using profanity at times to criticize New Hampshire International Speedway, an AMA Pro Racing official, a newspaper reporter and fellow competitors.
> "

Well, he lost a point, he's got 230 points left in his lead.  Think
he'll take every opportunity from now until the end of the season to
bitch loudly about the AMA?  I hope so...  :)

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As I recall this topic once brought forth chuckles.   No offense if times
have changed --


Sighted parked in 1800 blk of M Street Sunday afternoon:


A gorgeous gleaming Harley dresser, hard to look at for the sparkle, deep
red (magenta?) and chrome (think Fathers Day gift).  Surprised it was let
out of its case.  And on the back --


DC MC tag -- sporting the disability wheelchair icon!    Thought about
waiting around to discover the explanation, but didn't.


Bill S. / DC
[99 VN750]
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding fun.




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Jeremy and other interested parties:

This survey would be a good application for an on-line database entry
system.  Check out the one Mike Troutman did for the VFR list.
www.troutman.org/vfr  It's incredibly detailed and has a good percentage of
the VFR list membership on it for the demographically curious.

Perhaps there is a DB developer out there who can put a similar one together
for the DC Cycles list.  That way a human (i.e. Jeremy) doesn't have to plug
in all the information.

It would be an interesting addition to the dccycles.com site.  Laura?

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F
http://users.erols.com/pawilson


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Please, PLEASE visit www.roadracingworld.com and get the actual facts vs. 
what the AMA spin doctors are shoveling. Mat Mladin is being fined because he 
pissed off Merril Vanderslice (Current dictator, er, director of AMA pro 
racing). This is a huge issue that is bigger than Matt Mladin saying the word 
"shit" once in a press conference at Loudoun (and not in any context directed 
toward the AMA - he was referring to a local newspaper report about himself 
he felt was erroneous). A transcript of a taped recording on the conference 
is available on roadracingworld, along with more AMA nonsense that went on. 
Did you know why the 600cc race wasn't telivised on speedvision? Only 12 
riders (All local loudoun privateers, no factory riders) took to the grid 
after Merril dictated that the race would be run regardless of what the 
riders wanted in terms of a safety (It was starting to rain).

If you are an AMA member, please look on the aforementioned site at what John 
Ulrich (Editor/owner Roadracingworld) wants to do with the AMA - quitting 
only leaves it in the hands of Merril Vanderslice and Co - voting for change 
in the comming elections is the only way to Take Back the AMA!

- Roach


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> I couldn't disagree more. Judging from the article, I
> thought Mladin was right on target. Don't forget that
> it's his life on the line out there - in my opinion
> that allows him to voice WHATEVER safety concerns he
> has in any forum available to him. IMO, he earns that
> right whenever he goes out onto the track.
>

I agree totally.  Chris is right on.  These guys race in tons of different
conditions, ones that I would *never* put myself in.  For Mladin, or anyone
for that matter, to say that safety is a concern, I would have to believe
him.  He had every right to make that choice.  If I feel unsafe on the track
or feel conditions aren't right, I just don't race, or pull in early...to
me, it's no big deal.  I'm not chasing points or riding for a factory team.
For him to not want to ride meant things really weren't right.  I'm floored,
well, not really, that the AMA would be so damn disrespectful to any rider
in that situation.  It's just one more indication that the AMA doesn't care
about its riders...total crap.

LAG


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1. F Sportbike Racer not Dirt
2. C
3. C
4. D
5. E
6. A,I,and H or chicks dig it
7. A

Scott Luttrell
Fast & Wily Racing
www.fastandwily.com


---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Jeremy Purdy <purdyjeremy@XXXXXX>
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 06:45:03 -0700 (PDT)

>For any of you who missed my original posting, I am
>attempting to satisfy my own personal curiosity as to
>the demographic makeup of this forum by running a
>short survey.
>
>The results of this highly unscientific survey will be
>posted on Sunday.
>
>This posting includes some additional responses to a
>couple of questions, including:  the addition of
>Standard and Sport Touring Bike to the list of
>motorcycle types for Question 1.  Leaving out Standard
>was simply an oversight.  I had been lumping Sport
>Tourers in with Tourers, but due to the public outcry,
>I guess I can accept them as a separate type of MC.
>
>There are also additional responses to the Why did you
>start riding question.  If anyone desires to change a
>previous answer to one of the new answers, just let me
>know off-line, so that I can update your response.
>
>BTW: I just realized that I am reading everyone else's
>responses, but I have not posted my own.  So, for what
>it's worth:
>1.   e. Cruiser
>2.   a. Every Day, rain or shine
>3.   a. 12
>4.   d. 25-34
>5.   d. 25-34
>6.   c. To connect with the world around me
>7.   b. No
>
>
>1. Is your primary motorcycle:
>  a. Sport Bike
>  b. Touring Bike
>  c. Dual Sport
>  d. Dirt Bike
>  e. Cruiser
>  f. Racing Bike
>  g. Standard
>  h. Sport Touring Bike
>
>2. During the summer months, on average, how often do
>you ride?
>  a. Every Day, rain or shine
>  b. Every day except for bad weather
>  c. 3-5 days a week
>  d. 1-2 days a week
>  e. < 1 day a week
>
>3. How many months a year do you ride?
>  a. 12
>  b. 9-11
>  c. 5-8
>  d. < 5
>
>4. What age group are you in? (All responses will be
>held strictly confidential)
>  a. 55+
>  b. 45-54
>  c. 35-44
>  d. 25-34
>  e. <25
>  f. Prefer not to answer
>
>5. How old were you when you first started riding?
>  a. 55+
>  b. 45-54
>  c. 35-44
>  d. 25-34
>  e. 15-24
>  f. <15
>
>6. Why did you start riding (best answer only)?
>  a. Need for Speed
>  b. To emulate a hero (movie star, racer, etc.)
>  c. To connect with the world around me
>  d. To make driving fun
>  e. To join a group
>  f. Because family members/friends did
>  g. Convenience / Affordability (includes commuting /
>parking)
>  h. That Certain Je Ne Sais Quois (I don't know what
>- for those who don't know French)
>  i. Freedom of the Open Road
>  j. Needed for Work
>  k. Other 
>
>7. Do you race motorcycles?
>  a. Yes
>  b. No
>
>
>

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He just used the word "shit", commented on the continued poor quality of 
Loudoun, said some fellow riders needed to go back to club racing to learn 
the rules (he was pissed that Bostrom and someone else was blocking him 
during his qualifying lap), and blasted the local press for their coverage.  
It may have been a bit over the top for a press conference but fining $5000 
and subtracting a point from his total (which is the worse punishment!) is 
too harsh.  Just wait and see if the Superbike championship comes down to one 
point, then you will see an even bigger stink!

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<< 1. Is your primary motorcycle:
   a. Sport Bike
 
 2. During the summer months, on average, how often do
 you ride?
   c. 3-5 days a week
 
 3. How many months a year do you ride?
   a. 12

 4. What age group are you in? (All responses will be
 held strictly confidential)
   d. 25-34
 
 5. How old were you when you first started riding?
   e. 15-24
 
 6. Why did you start riding (best answer only)?
   a. Need for Speed
 
 7. Do you race motorcycles?
   a. Yes - not lately though

 

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Subject: Re: How shops bill labor

What I don't get is why shops don't bother to even buy the right tools for the job. Case in point: Kayaba forks have a damper rod with notches cut into it (reverse socket) to hold the damn thing stationary as one endevors to loosen or tighten the fork oil bolt. NOBODY has one around here. They just use an air impact wrench. That's excusable when undoing it I guess. But what about when you need to tighten the thing? To 60Nm? "Oh, we just air impact it on." Well, I have news for you jokers, when one end is spinning free it's mighty damn hard to get it to tighten down much above 40Nm. Not to mention, since when does an impact wrench substitute for a torque wrench?

Worse, should they have the tool for the job, they steadfastly REFUSE to let me use it in the corner of their garage. No, I must schedule an appointment, wait an hour for a mech to be free so he can take all of 2 minutes to put something in a vise and undo the stinking fastener.

And then have the audacity to charge me .4 hour for their efforts. hey you want money I'll give you 5 or even 10 bucks on a generous day. 

Or refuse to let me borrow a socket wrench to remove a wheel so they can work on it. "bring the wheel in your car." WTF is wrong with you people? I rode my bike here. I'll spare your overtasked mechanics a good 1/2 hour of labor and give you just the wheel. But no. "don't want customers wrenching in the parking lot." Oh, spare me the crap already. Or I need to borrow a carb idle tool for 2 shakes to turn the screws. The service mgr was thankfully AWOL so I chatted the mech who threw me the tool without a 2nd thought.

Is it any wonder I do my own damn work? Their attitude is incredible.

Sometimes I think I'd like to join MeLadden in voicing my frustration with bike shop service departments. Heck, I can borrow hundreds of dollars worth of car tools from TrakAuto for a WEEK and they don't even bat an eye.
-- 


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 1. c. Dual Sport
 2. a. Every Day, rain or shine
 3. a. 12
 4. d. 25-34
 5. e. 15-24
 6. c. To connect with the world around me
 7. b. No


Bests,

Erik


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Being handicapped doesn't preclude motorcycle riding.  See for instance the
following book
(http://www.whitehorsepress.com/OnlineCatalog/Sections/ProdData/edge.HTM),
which is pretty damn impressive!


Riding the Edge is an incredible journey by any standard, and to Dave Barr
and the people heM-^Rs inspired, itM-^Rs a dream come true. Barr is a rugged,
extraordinary adventurer who rode his 1972 Harley-Davidson around the world
despite the loss of both legs in an anti-tank mine explosion in Angola in
1981. His trip lasted four years, covering six continents and 83,000 miles!
He crossed several African deserts, circled the continent of Australia, and
negotiated the Andes during avalanche season, visiting cities and small
towns and meeting dramatically different people from every corner of the
world. Many of them lent a helping hand to Barr as he traveled alone through
dangerous terrain, bad weather, and challenging roads. One of only 100
people to have circumnavigated the world on a motorcycle, Dave is the first
person with a major disability to do so. On an epic journey of
self-exploration, Barr single-handedly created a whole new set of rules for
world travel. His book is written with great humor and candor, in a familiar
style that feels as if heM-^Rs sitting right next to you. Experiencing the
world with Dave Barr as your guide will provide you with a fascinating
change of perspective. 


-----Original Message-----
From: mobacc [mailto:mobacc@XXXXXX]
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 8:31 PM
To: DC-Cycles
Subject: Huh?


As I recall this topic once brought forth chuckles.   No offense if times
have changed --


Sighted parked in 1800 blk of M Street Sunday afternoon:


A gorgeous gleaming Harley dresser, hard to look at for the sparkle, deep
red (magenta?) and chrome (think Fathers Day gift).  Surprised it was let
out of its case.  And on the back --


DC MC tag -- sporting the disability wheelchair icon!    Thought about
waiting around to discover the explanation, but didn't.


Bill S. / DC
[99 VN750]
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding fun.



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 I've turned wrenches for a couple motorcycle shops, and a few auto shops as both an hourly and a flat rate mechanic, and it dosen't do the shop any good to loan tools out. Track Auto loans tools because there business isn't in repairing cars. These shops are there to make money not give you free labor or tool use. It dosen't look good to have customers turning wrenches in the parking lot, whats that say about your shop if your customers would rather do their own work in the parking lot? You may think that your local shop should have every tool ever made for you to borrow whenever you feel like you need it but the fact is that tools aren't cheap and why have an expensive tool laying aorund that you'll never use or get your money back from. I will agree that if the say they'll do the job then they should have the correct tools, but you can't expect them to allow you use of these tool to save you a buck that could be in there pay check.

Scott Luttrell
Fast & Wily Racing
www.fastandwily.com


---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Matthew Patton" <pattonme@XXXXXX>
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:57:59 -0500

>What I don't get is why shops don't bother to even buy the right tools for the job. Case in point: Kayaba forks have a damper rod with notches cut into it (reverse socket) to hold the damn thing stationary as one endevors to loosen or tighten the fork oil bolt. NOBODY has one around here. They just use an air impact wrench. That's excusable when undoing it I guess. But what about when you need to tighten the thing? To 60Nm? "Oh, we just air impact it on." Well, I have news for you jokers, when one end is spinning free it's mighty damn hard to get it to tighten down much above 40Nm. Not to mention, since when does an impact wrench substitute for a torque wrench?
>
>Worse, should they have the tool for the job, they steadfastly REFUSE to let me use it in the corner of their garage. No, I must schedule an appointment, wait an hour for a mech to be free so he can take all of 2 minutes to put something in a vise and undo the stinking fastener.
>
>And then have the audacity to charge me .4 hour for their efforts. hey you want money I'll give you 5 or even 10 bucks on a generous day. 
>
>Or refuse to let me borrow a socket wrench to remove a wheel so they can work on it. "bring the wheel in your car." WTF is wrong with you people? I rode my bike here. I'll spare your overtasked mechanics a good 1/2 hour of labor and give you just the wheel. But no. "don't want customers wrenching in the parking lot." Oh, spare me the crap already. Or I need to borrow a carb idle tool for 2 shakes to turn the screws. The service mgr was thankfully AWOL so I chatted the mech who threw me the tool without a 2nd thought.
>
>Is it any wonder I do my own damn work? Their attitude is incredible.
>
>Sometimes I think I'd like to join MeLadden in voicing my frustration with bike shop service departments. Heck, I can borrow hundreds of dollars worth of car tools from TrakAuto for a WEEK and they don't even bat an eye.
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Most of you seem to forget that these guys do this to make a living.

If I was to do brakes for a complete stranger, even if I had all the best
equipment and could do it in a small amount of time, I'd charge a couple
hundred bucks.  Just do the math.  Take a reasonable yearly salary for the
area, figure out the hourly rate just for the guys time.  Then at least
double that for rent on the building, supplies, phones, ads, etc. etc. etc.

As far as borrowing tools goes, the mechanics usually pay for their own
tools out of their own pockets.  If they've had bad experiences in the past
with people taking or mangling their stuff ... Lets face it, give someone an
inch, they'll take a mile (you IT people should understand that).  The
reason they often don't have the correct tool ... they have to pay for it.
If they would save a half hour on three jobs a year with a tool, they might
not find it a worthwhile investment.  I'll not even get into insurance
liability of allowing you into the corner of the shop with a tool.
If I did it for a living ... just what I need is a distraction to keep me
from doing some real work.  It may seem minor to you, but if you distract me
enough to make me forget to tighten a bolt somewhere it could get bad.
That's why they really don't want you in the shop.

That said, there are many shop mechanics around here who go to the exreme to
be a**holes.  I'd say at some of the dealerships, they are following the
examples of their bosses.  At smaller shops, if you find the owner, your
problems are usually resolved in a more friendly manner.  You just have to
keep in mind that at the end of the day, he has a large pile of bills to
pay.  If he lends you his tools and shop, or charges you nominal fees to
bleed brakes, that isn't going to happen.  I guarantee none of these guys
lives in a mansion in Potomac because they "rip you off for brakes".

Jay St. Peter



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Correct. Mat Mladin doesn't work for the AMA. He works for Suzuki. In theory, 
the AMA works for Suzuki as well - though you wouldn't know it. 

AMA Pro racing *should* be working to please their customers - the racers. 
Without the racers, there is no AMA Pro Racing. THe reverse is not true - 
there are other orgs in the country that would be HAPPY to be the #1 pro 
racing sanctioning body. As it is, they use strongarm tactics and have the 
stance that it's "Our way or the highway". And it keeps getting worse at 
every venue. 

This SAME thing happened last year at Loudoun. Except with even MORE 
disregard to riders. After the Superbike riders refused to ride in the rain, 
Merill V and AMA Pro racing decided to send out the Pro Thunder guys - after 
all, no factory involvment there - noone with any clout to complain. When 
several riders mentioned this was rather unsettling, the response from the 
track and the AMA was "We'll double the purse for anyone man enough to go out 
there". 

This, my friends, is BS.

- Roach

On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Chris Weaver wrote:
> I couldn't disagree more. Judging from the article, I
> thought Mladin was right on target. Don't forget that
> it's his life on the line out there - in my opinion
> that allows him to voice WHATEVER safety concerns he
> has in any forum available to him. IMO, he earns that
> right whenever he goes out onto the track.

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> This SAME thing happened last year at Loudoun. Except with even MORE 
>  disregard to riders. After the Superbike riders refused to ride in the 
rain, 
>  Merill V and AMA Pro racing decided to send out the Pro Thunder guys - 
after 
>  all, no factory involvment there - noone with any clout to complain. When 
>  several riders mentioned this was rather unsettling, the response from the 
>  track and the AMA was "We'll double the purse for anyone man enough to go 
> out there". 

They knew that a lot of the Pro Thunder guys would like to be seen publicly 
and maybe get a shot at better sponsership.  Those guys usually also could 
use the cash.  (Especially in a smaller field!)

Either way....Merrill V seems to be a pretty pathetic person.  Some of the 
comments attributed to him are ridiculous.  So much for giving a damn about 
the riders.
  
>  This, my friends, is BS.

Yup.  

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Perhaps this is also a contributing factor as to why crowds are
relatively small at AMA races (even Daytona doesn't pack the stands the
way a NASCAR race does).

Brian Roach wrote <SNIP>:
> 
> AMA Pro racing *should* be working to please their customers - the racers.
> Without the racers, there is no AMA Pro Racing. THe reverse is not true -
> there are other orgs in the country that would be HAPPY to be the #1 pro
> racing sanctioning body. As it is, they use strongarm tactics and have the
> stance that it's "Our way or the highway". And it keeps getting worse at
> every venue.

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On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Jay St. Peter wrote:
> Most of you seem to forget that these guys do this to make a living.
>
> If I was to do brakes for a complete stranger, even if I had all the best
> equipment and could do it in a small amount of time, I'd charge a couple
> hundred bucks.  Just do the math.  Take a reasonable yearly salary for the
> area, figure out the hourly rate just for the guys time.  Then at least
> double that for rent on the building, supplies, phones, ads, etc. etc. etc.

Ok... so why not set the hourly rate to a figure that accuratly represents 
this, instead of fraudulently padding the bill? And it is fraud - if I have a 
sign that says "Hourly rate = X" and I pad my bill beyond the time it took me 
to do the work, I'm committing a fraud on the customer. This is the reason 
for the "1 hour min" caveat most shops have listed in their rates - to pad in 
some extra billed hours on small jobs.

> As far as borrowing tools goes, the mechanics usually pay for their own
> tools out of their own pockets.  If they've had bad experiences in the past
> with people taking or mangling their stuff ... Lets face it, give someone
> an inch, they'll take a mile (you IT people should understand that).  The
> reason they often don't have the correct tool ... they have to pay for it.
> If they would save a half hour on three jobs a year with a tool, they might
> not find it a worthwhile investment.  

Yup - what he said. You have to pay for your own tools, and those "special 
tools" from the manufacturers are NOT cheap. And from experience... the 
nicest people in the world often seem to forget to return tools on a regular 
basis.  However, if it's something you use on a regular basis, I don't think 
it's unresonable to buy it - I've always done the same at home with my own 
tools - if I end up needing it more than a couple times it's probably worth 
buying it instead of making do with the wrong tool.

> That said, there are many shop mechanics around here who go to the exreme
> to be a**holes.  I'd say at some of the dealerships, they are following the
> examples of their bosses.  At smaller shops, if you find the owner, your
> problems are usually resolved in a more friendly manner.  You just have to
> keep in mind that at the end of the day, he has a large pile of bills to
> pay.  If he lends you his tools and shop, or charges you nominal fees to
> bleed brakes, that isn't going to happen.  I guarantee none of these guys
> lives in a mansion in Potomac because they "rip you off for brakes".

That's why I mentioned it's cheaper in DE - this area has a serious cost of 
living. Shops need to charge more to pay the mech, and pay the rent, etc. As 
I said, however, I believe setting a real hourly rate and charging 
"real time" would go over MUCH better than padding the bill in most 
customers' eyes.

- Roach

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Gary said:

>This is unbelievable.  It matters not if you like Mat Mladin.  The last time
>I checked it was a free country.

It is a free country. But I think the Constitution's guarantees on 
free speech don't go this far.

>I contacted AMA and told them what they could do with my membership.

You're missing a HUGE, CRITICAL point here. AMA Pro-Racing is a 
FOR-PROFIT organization (Paradama) separate from the AMA that defends 
our rights as motorcyclists. You might want to call the AMA back and 
see if you can salvage your membership. If you bail out, instead of 
voting for a change in leadership, the AMA/AMA-Pro-Racing with stay 
the same.

Chris said:

>Judging from the article, I thought Mladin was right on target. 
>Don't forget that it's his life on the line out there - in my 
>opinion that allows him to voice WHATEVER safety concerns he has in 
>any forum available to him.


Sure, but Mladin wasn't speaking ONLY on the track safety. He also 
decided to bash the local press.


The following is quoted from Larry Lawrence, (an AMA official) posted 
on the WERA BBS.

"As for the Mladin decision: Mat was simply way out of line when he 
blasted a local newspaper reporter in a press conference. The 
reporter (from the Concord Monitor) tried to get an interview with 
Mladin as he was standing under the Yosh tent. Someone with the team 
told the guy that Mladin was not granting interviews because of the 
track. So that's what the reporter wrote.

The next day a very angry Mladin (you would have had to been there to 
feel the tension in the room) held up the paper and denounced the 
reporter telling him he "was tired of reading some shit""

I personally think that Mladin's comments on the track being safe and 
whatnot were not necessarily out of line. But as the current 
Superbike Champion, and as a representative of road-racing, he should 
have behaved better. His denouncement of the local press was brash 
and rude. A lot of people disagree with the way Merill Vanderslice 
has been running AMA Pro-Racing; I'm one of them. But this time I 
think he was in the right. Our sport gets very little coverage and 
respect in the media and in our culture. It's unfortunate that the 
only time we get any real coverage or discussion is when one of our 
leading representatives of the sport behaves like a petulant, unruly 
child.

Some people will say that Vanderslice fined Mladin because Mladin 
dared to speak out against him. Maybe that's true. But if I were the 
one calling the shots, Mladin would not have gotten off scott-free.







-- 
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the 
skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
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<div>Gary said:</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>This is unbelievable.&nbsp; It matters
not if you like Mat Mladin.&nbsp; The last time<br>
I checked it was a free country.</blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>It is a free country. But I think the Constitution's guarantees
on free speech don't go this far.</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>I contacted AMA and told them what they
could do with my membership.</blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>You're missing a HUGE, CRITICAL point here. AMA Pro-Racing is a
FOR-PROFIT organization (Paradama) separate from the AMA that defends
our rights as motorcyclists. You might want to call the AMA back and
see if you can salvage your membership. If you bail out, instead of
voting for a change in leadership, the AMA/AMA-Pro-Racing with stay
the same.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Chris said:</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Judging from the article, I thought
Mladin was right on target. Don't forget that it's his life on the
line out there - in my opinion that allows him to voice WHATEVER
safety concerns he has in any forum available to him.</blockquote>
<div><br>
<br>
</div>
<div>Sure, but Mladin wasn't speaking ONLY on the track safety. He
also decided to bash the local press.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><font color="#000000">The following is quoted from Larry
Lawrence, (an AMA official) posted on the WERA BBS.</font></div>
<div><font color="#000000"><br></font></div>
<div><font color="#000000">&quot;As for the Mladin decision: Mat was
simply way out of line when he blasted a local newspaper reporter in
a press conference. The reporter (from the Concord Monitor) tried to
get an interview with Mladin as he was standing under the Yosh tent.
Someone with the team told the guy that Mladin was not granting
interviews because of the track. So that's what the reporter
wrote.</font></div>
<div><font color="#000000"><br></font></div>
<div><font color="#000000">The next day a very angry Mladin (you
would have had to been there to feel the tension in the room) held up
the paper and denounced the reporter telling him he "was tired of
reading some shit"</font>&quot;</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I personally think that Mladin's comments on the track being
safe and whatnot were not necessarily out of line. But as the current
Superbike Champion, and as a representative of road-racing, he should
have behaved better. His denouncement of the local press was brash
and rude. A lot of people disagree with the way Merill Vanderslice
has been running AMA Pro-Racing; I'm one of them. But this time I
think he was in the right. Our sport gets very little coverage and
respect in the media and in our culture. It's unfortunate that the
only time we get any real coverage or discussion is when one of our
leading representatives of the sport behaves like a petulant, unruly
child.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Some people will say that Vanderslice fined Mladin because
Mladin dared to speak out against him. Maybe that's true. But if I
were the one calling the shots, Mladin would not have gotten off
scott-free.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>

<div>-- <br>
&quot;For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and
the skillful defiance of it.&quot;<br>
<br>
-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)<br>
<br>
Sean Jordan<br>
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing<br>
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)<br>
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)<br>
WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038<br>
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/j<span
></span>ordanracing.html<br>
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From: "Matthew Patton" <pattonme@XXXXXX>
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Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:08:01 -0500
Subject: Re: How shops bill labor

Scott Luttrel responded:

<quote>
and a few auto shops as both an hourly and a flat rate mechanic, and it dosen't do the shop any good to loan tools out.
</quote>

off-site, no. So what are gas stations with service departments in for? loosing money? Or how about independent car mech shops? How come I can get them to loan me a bloody wrench to tighten a fastener no questions asked? Or don't mind squat if I pull a tire off my car right there in the parking lot so they can do what they need to do?

<qoute>
in repairing cars. These shops are there to make money not give you free labor or tool use.</quote>

and to maximize pissing off customers. I have to hand it to them, VA mc shops sure know how to make enemies.

<quote>
It dosen't look good to have customers turning wrenches in the parking lot, whats that say about your shop if your customers would rather do their own work in the parking lot?</quote>

that they suck and/or are over-booked. And that just maybe the customer doesn't have all freaking day to wait for a 5 minute operation. Or does't want to pay the $30 tax for having a mech have to take the wheel off when the owner can do it just as fast. Or doesn't exactly grow warm at the thought of having to get a taxi both ways and some 15 miles so he can go on with the rest of his life while the shop gets around to dealing with his particular tasking.

Why do you think I change my own tires? And balance them myself? I consult and use the services of the experts when I simply can't do it, am too lazy to do it, or the tools/gear are simply not within reach. I had a tire shop do my 2 tires on the car. And an alignment adjust. I was happy to pay because these are things I can't do. I picked up a fistful of tire weights while I was at it with their complete and utter permission. Ask for a measly weight from a mc shop and they want 6 bucks for a strip. And this at shops I visit and do business with.

<quote>
 You may think that your local shop should have every tool ever made for you to borrow whenever you feel like you need it but the fact is that tools aren't cheap and why have an expensive tool laying aorund that you'll never use or get your money back from.</quote>

No, I don't expect them to have EVERY tool. I expect them to have the common tools. HOw many bikes on this planet have Kayaba forks? oh, probably ~40%. And Showa's have a similar configuration. This tool is a IMO a mandatory must have item. Just like proper valve adjust tools and frankly those are way more expensive and vary between marques and even models. Yet somehow a shop will bother to purchase *them*. so do mechs even bother with torque wrenches are do they just drive the bugger on and say it's good enough?

<quote>
I will agree that if the say they'll do the job then they should have the correct tools, but you can't expect them to allow you use of these tool to save you a buck that could be in there pay check.
</quote>

oh, I get it. However, even Poserride has been known to adjust a clutch and brake switch for free. I already said I'd pay them $10 for *ME* to use the tool. The mech can keep on working on whatever high-dollar job he was doing and pay me no mind. If it was up to MC shops I'm sure they'd ban all maintenance books too. Cuts into their profits, see.

It's not economical for me to have every last tool specific to my bikes. But at this rate I probably will buy it when I need it from the cheapest possible source. For the price of the tool I'll recoup just the labor some local outfit would have charged me for the privilege of having them do it. NO thanks.
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Chuck Pena wrote:
> Perhaps this is also a contributing factor as to why crowds are
> relatively small at AMA races (even Daytona doesn't pack the stands the
> way a NASCAR race does).

That's a bigger issue in itself... you'd think that in 50 years, the AMA 
could have drummed up some fans, eh? 

NASCAR in the 70's and early 80's was a LOT different than it is today (I've 
been a lifelong fan). The crowds were not so big, the money was a whole lot 
less, and the corporate involvment was almost nill. What they did in 20 years 
should be required reading for anyone in promotion and advertising. The AMA 
could learn a lot from taking a page out of that book. 

Motorsports is motorsports... if you put on a good show, people will come. I 
do not agree with the argument that "everyone has cars in the US, few have 
motorcycles". We went to Laguna last year to see the SBK World Superbike 
round... 115k other people showed up as well. It was the largest crowd ever 
for a motorcycle event in the U.S. .... The difference? The FIM was running 
the show, not the AMA (They were there along for the ride, but trust me, they 
were not the main attraction).

- Roach

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I recently got a Kushitani Hamamatsu (anyone know what Hamamatsu is?  A
mountain?) mesh summer jacket and thought I'd post a short review of it,
since I haven't seen one yet.  First off, It was fairly inexpensive in MC
terms...$250 from a retailer including foam padding in the elbows/forearms,
shoulders, and a back pad that covers the shoulder blades as well.

It is extremely light weight, with what seems like 3 layers of material.
The outer layer is football jersey type fabric, though appears to be very
strong.  It's supposed to be extremely tear resistant, but as of yet, I have
no first hand knowledge of this.  This is bonded to another layer of unknown
material, but looks almost solid.  I think most of the tear resistance would
come from the combination of these two layers.  The inner layer is like the
lining of a bathing suit.  There are two colors that I saw, black and gray.
I opted for the gray as for less heat absorption and more visibility.  It
also looks pretty cool with the contrast of the gray mesh to the black inner
layer, IMHO.  It's got a reflective strip across the back (though nothing
like the 'stich's) and reflective shoulder badges.  These do not stand out
on the gray in daylight, but are pretty effective at night.  They are very
noticeable on the black, of course.

When on, it feels like you're not wearing a jacket at all, especially when
compared to my 'stich Roadcrafter or HJC leather.  And it really does
breathe!  I've been riding in 90+ degree weather with it, with all the
humidity you could ask for, and have been - gasp - comfortable.  As long as
I'm moving , of course.  Compared to the 'stich, which was unbelievably hot
in even 80 degrees, this is like having air conditioning.

Fit is tight, as I was told it should be.  I'm tall and thin (some say
lanky) at 5'11"+ and 160#.  I got a large, and the sleeves are a little
shorter than I'd like, but the cuffs don't come out of my gauntlets, so it's
not a problem.  The XL was way too big, though they supposively have an "LL"
size.  I would have tried this on, but they didn't have any and I think
there would have been too much room in that one anyway, based on the
salesman (err...woman's) opinion.  FWIW, I did trust her since she was not
trying to sell me anything (actually suggested I go to another shop to check
out the fit of other brands), and even steered me away from Vanson leather,
and they don't work on commission

All in all, I would highly recommend this jacket for anyone who wants
something lightweight, comfortable, and not spend the dough on perfed
leather, which still would not be as comfortable.  Now if they only made
pants out of this stuff too...

YMMV, IMHO, FWIW, yada, yada...
Eric
'94 VFR


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From: Jeannette <gingerdc9@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Mladin being fined by AMA!
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Sometimes the press IS the enemy, as well as the
corporate "Gods" that try to rule everything. 

- Jeannette 
  '86 VFR 700F2
  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

--- Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX> wrote:
He also 
> decided to bash the local press.
> 
> 
> The following is quoted from Larry Lawrence, (an AMA
> official) posted 
> on the WERA BBS.
> 
> "As for the Mladin decision: Mat was simply way out
> of line when he 
> blasted a local newspaper reporter in a press
> conference. The 
> reporter (from the Concord Monitor) tried to get an
> interview with 
> Mladin as he was standing under the Yosh tent.
> Someone with the team 
> told the guy that Mladin was not granting interviews
> because of the 
> track. So that's what the reporter wrote.
> 
> The next day a very angry Mladin (you would have had
> to been there to 
> feel the tension in the room) held up the paper and
> denounced the 
> reporter telling him he "was tired of reading some
> shit""
> 
> I personally think that Mladin's comments on the
> track being safe and 
> whatnot were not necessarily out of line. But as the
> current 
> Superbike Champion, and as a representative of
> road-racing, he should 
> have behaved better. His denouncement of the local
> press was brash 
> and rude. A lot of people disagree with the way
> Merill Vanderslice 
> has been running AMA Pro-Racing; I'm one of them.
> But this time I 
> think he was in the right. Our sport gets very
> little coverage and 
> respect in the media and in our culture. It's
> unfortunate that the 
> only time we get any real coverage or discussion is
> when one of our 
> leading representatives of the sport behaves like a
> petulant, unruly 
> child.
> 
> Some people will say that Vanderslice fined Mladin
> because Mladin 
> dared to speak out against him. Maybe that's true.
> But if I were the 
> one calling the shots, Mladin would not have gotten
> off scott-free.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of
> death and the 
> skillful defiance of it."
> 
> -Ernest Becker (1924-1974)
> 
> Sean Jordan
> Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
> '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
> '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
> WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
>
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html
> 


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What you say about the supply side is true.  There is a high cost of doing
business in this area.  However, let's look at the demand side, since it's
also what the customers will bear.  We live in an area of high disposable
incomes, especially with respect to the demographics that buy motorcycles,
i.e., young professional males with good jobs, or empty nesters, "re-treads"
if you will, who also have good jobs.  That being the case, there are lots
of motorcycle owners with lots of cash and shops don't mind relieving them
of some of it.  As long as there's a seemingly endless supply of suckers, er
customers, willing to pay inflated prices for lousy service nothing's going
to change.  Wait until the next serious recession hits and some of these
local shops might experience an attitude adjustment.  Me, I patronize
independent garages for both my cage and bike, but the bike, thankfully, has
only exceeded my shade-tree capabilities on one occasion.

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F
>
> That's why I mentioned it's cheaper in DE - this area has a serious cost
of
> living. Shops need to charge more to pay the mech, and pay the rent, etc.
As
> I said, however, I believe setting a real hourly rate and charging
> "real time" would go over MUCH better than padding the bill in most
> customers' eyes.
>
> - Roach


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On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Sean Jordan wrote:

> Some people will say that Vanderslice fined Mladin because Mladin
> dared to speak out against him. Maybe that's true. But if I were the
> one calling the shots, Mladin would not have gotten off scott-free.

So... since talking to AMA Pro Racing through "official channels" about 
safety issues doesn't work, and nothing anyone has tried to do to improve the 
situation in the last five years hasn't worked, the riders should just shut 
up and race on unsafe tracks? Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. 

AMA pro racing has forced this issue, not Mladen or anyone else. If there 
were actually lines of communication between the riders (factory OR 
privateer) and AMA pro racing where these issues would be heard and 
addressed, I'd agree - this would be out of line. As it is, this is the ONLY 
recourse the riders have. Period. Time and time again in the last 5 years AMA 
pro racing has proven they could give a shit about what the riders had to say 
or what safety concerns they have. I, for one, am SO happy to see a factory 
rider (not a privateer the AMA can just dismiss) come out and voice his 
opinions.

- Roach

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Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:43:02 -0500
Subject: Community wrench (was Re: How shops bill labor)

[ after last week I guess we needed another popular flame subject. ]

I'm aware of the real world costs of doing business and will let that aspect of the topic rest. In the spirit of Dale's post several months back about Connie valves... If anyone wants to do their own work or learn how to do it and use what tools I have, then I can help. Things I can do or support doing:

change/balance tires
change and bleed brakes and clutches
rebuild calipers
change fork seals
dissassemble forks (with the aforementioned caveats)
cut and rivit chains
solder electricals (not great)
cut and grind all kinds of stuff (nothing of high precision)
rebuild and balance carbs
set idle mixture screws and idle speed (with a real tach vs the inaccurate one on the bike)
adjust timing
replace seals and bearings
replace sprockets
adjust Triumph valves (pending)

and probably more. I have air tools (impact, hammer, cutting disk, paint gun), sockets, torque wrenches, breaker bars, full set of torx and hex bits. MAP gas torch, vise, drill press, saws, sander, safety wire...

And no, I'm not a licensed mechanic. But maybe some day I will be. Been eyeing the courses for a while now.
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>On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Sean Jordan wrote:
>
>>  Some people will say that Vanderslice fined Mladin because Mladin
>>  dared to speak out against him. Maybe that's true. But if I were the
>>  one calling the shots, Mladin would not have gotten off scott-free.
>
>So... since talking to AMA Pro Racing through "official channels" about
>safety issues doesn't work, and nothing anyone has tried to do to improve the
>situation in the last five years hasn't worked, the riders should just shut
>up and race on unsafe tracks? Yeah, that sounds like a good idea.

I never said that....I didn't even come close to implying that. What 
I said was that the way in which Mladin conducted himself was 
unacceptable. He could have spoken out against the track and even the 
media in a mature and proffesional fashion, and still made his point. 
Acting like a spoiled-brat does nothing more to get his point across.

>AMA pro racing has forced this issue, not Mladen or anyone else. If there
>were actually lines of communication between the riders (factory OR
>privateer) and AMA pro racing where these issues would be heard and
>addressed, I'd agree - this would be out of line.

I thought I had made this abundantly clear; I disagree with Mladin's 
behavior, not his course of action. Nothing the AMA has done 
justifies poor behavior. Nothing. Nada. Zilch, zip and zero.

Does AMA Pro-Racing need to change the way they do things? The tracks 
they race at? Their apparent lack of concern for riders? Yes, yes, 
and yes. Do these problems justify childish behavior Mladin or anyone 
else's part? No. That will do nothing to get their concerns 
addressed, and maybe even work against them? Do you honestly think 
Mladin's childish outbursts HELPED the rider's cause?

Am I proposing inaction? No. Not in any way. But certainly there are 
better alternatives!

>As it is, this is the ONLY recourse the riders have. Period.

I beg to differ.

>Time and time again in the last 5 years AMA pro racing has proven 
>they could give a shit about what the riders had to say or what 
>safety concerns they have. I, for one, am SO happy to see a factory
>rider (not a privateer the AMA can just dismiss) come out and voice 
>his opinions.

AMA Pro-Racing has a well-deserved reputation for poor management and 
a lack of concern for rider-safey. I have no problem with the rider's 
voicing their concerns, whether it be in a press conference, on the 
podium, or in an interview, or wherever else. BUT, if you are going 
to do it, do so in a fashion that won't be detrimental to your cause 
and to your profession. THAT was my point.




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skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html


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No the racers shouldn't shut up and race on unsafe tracks, they should shut
up and NOT RACE on unsafe tracks.  Every time they go out and race on tracks
that they consider unsafe they weaken their position on safety.  The racers
need to do more than talk about how unsafe the tracks are and refuse to
ride.  I would bet that until the racers are willing to stop racing the AMA
won't change a thing on rider safety.  Ultimately, if the AMA won't look out
for the safety of the riders the riders will need to do it on their own.

Don B



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Roach [mailto:roach@XXXXXX]
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 12:40 PM
To: Sean Jordan; dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Mladin being fined by AMA!


On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Sean Jordan wrote:

> Some people will say that Vanderslice fined Mladin because Mladin
> dared to speak out against him. Maybe that's true. But if I were the
> one calling the shots, Mladin would not have gotten off scott-free.

So... since talking to AMA Pro Racing through "official channels" about 
safety issues doesn't work, and nothing anyone has tried to do to improve
the 
situation in the last five years hasn't worked, the riders should just shut 
up and race on unsafe tracks? Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. 

AMA pro racing has forced this issue, not Mladen or anyone else. If there 
were actually lines of communication between the riders (factory OR 
privateer) and AMA pro racing where these issues would be heard and 
addressed, I'd agree - this would be out of line. As it is, this is the ONLY

recourse the riders have. Period. Time and time again in the last 5 years
AMA 
pro racing has proven they could give a shit about what the riders had to
say 
or what safety concerns they have. I, for one, am SO happy to see a factory 
rider (not a privateer the AMA can just dismiss) come out and voice his 
opinions.

- Roach

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---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "CBR's Rule" <mrcbr@XXXXXX>
>http://www.amasuperbike.com/mladin_has_his_say.htm
>
>What it comes down to is a complete lack of
>professionalism on Mladin's part.  If he has safety
>issues with the track and the way it was being
>reported in the local press thats fine.  He chose the
>wrong venue and the wrong means to express his
>thoughts.  

Perhaps, but he got the airing he wanted (and some attention he probably didn't want!).  

If the track is a bumpy as he says, and if the run-off areas are as dangerous as he says, and the track management won't fix it to the riders' satisfaction, then I'd say he has a legitimate beef and he decided to escalate the issue to get it resolved.

Chris Norloff

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>1. Is your primary motorcycle:
>  h. Sport Touring Bike
>
>2. During the summer months, on average, how often do
>you ride?
>  a. Every Day, rain or shine
>
>3. How many months a year do you ride?
>  a. 12
>
>4. What age group are you in? (All responses will be
>held strictly confidential)
>  b. 45-54
>
>5. How old were you when you first started riding?
>  f. <15
>
>6. Why did you start riding (best answer only)?
>  d. To make driving fun
Work
>  k. Other 
>
>7. Do you race motorcycles?
>  b. No

--
Chris Norloff, Virginia
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  '90 Honda Pacific Coast (PC800) "Callipygian"
  '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar

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Does anyone know how the motorcycle parking at Nissan Pavillion is?  Is
the lot paved or dirt?  How much? and is there a section where they put
the bikes?

Lisa
'95 VFR




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Im going to see a client at 13th and Eye and was wondering if there are any
free decent places to park the motorcycle.. If not, I can just try a
garage.. Im leaving from Mclean in about 2 hours.. Any input welcomed
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OK.  So where'd you get it?  :-)

Scooter

In a message dated Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:17:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Eric Silberg" <ersilberg@XXXXXX> writes:

<< I recently got a Kushitani Hamamatsu (anyone know what Hamamatsu is?  A
mountain?) mesh summer jacket and thought I'd post a short review of it,
since I haven't seen one yet.  First off, It was fairly inexpensive in MC
terms...$250 from a retailer including foam padding in the elbows/forearms,
shoulders, and a back pad that covers the shoulder blades as well.

It is extremely light weight, with what seems like 3 layers of material.
The outer layer is football jersey type fabric, though appears to be very
strong.  It's supposed to be extremely tear resistant, but as of yet, I have
no first hand knowledge of this.  This is bonded to another layer of unknown
material, but looks almost solid.  I think most of the tear resistance would
come from the combination of these two layers.  The inner layer is like the
lining of a bathing suit.  There are two colors that I saw, black and gray.
I opted for the gray as for less heat absorption and more visibility.  It
also looks pretty cool with the contrast of the gray mesh to the black inner
layer, IMHO.  It's got a reflective strip across the back (though nothing
like the 'stich's) and reflective shoulder badges.  These do not stand out
on the gray in daylight, but are pretty effective at night.  They are very
noticeable on the black, of course.

When on, it feels like you're not wearing a jacket at all, especially when
compared to my 'stich Roadcrafter or HJC leather.  And it really does
breathe!  I've been riding in 90+ degree weather with it, with all the
humidity you could ask for, and have been - gasp - comfortable.  As long as
I'm moving , of course.  Compared to the 'stich, which was unbelievably hot
in even 80 degrees, this is like having air conditioning.

Fit is tight, as I was told it should be.  I'm tall and thin (some say
lanky) at 5'11"+ and 160#.  I got a large, and the sleeves are a little
shorter than I'd like, but the cuffs don't come out of my gauntlets, so it's
not a problem.  The XL was way too big, though they supposively have an "LL"
size.  I would have tried this on, but they didn't have any and I think
there would have been too much room in that one anyway, based on the
salesman (err...woman's) opinion.  FWIW, I did trust her since she was not
trying to sell me anything (actually suggested I go to another shop to check
out the fit of other brands), and even steered me away from Vanson leather,
and they don't work on commission

All in all, I would highly recommend this jacket for anyone who wants
something lightweight, comfortable, and not spend the dough on perfed
leather, which still would not be as comfortable.  Now if they only made
pants out of this stuff too...

YMMV, IMHO, FWIW, yada, yada...
Eric
'94 VFR

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Actually got it from Battley's.  Regardless of what I've heard, I've had
nothing but good experiences there, though I've never used their service
department.  Kushitani has a website with some more information, I found
out... http://www.kushitani.com and apparently you can order direct from
them.  Same price though...

> OK.  So where'd you get it?  :-)


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Roach [mailto:roach@XXXXXX]
>
> Ok... so why not set the hourly rate to a figure that
> accuratly represents
> this, instead of fraudulently padding the bill? And it is
> fraud - if I have a
> sign that says "Hourly rate = X" and I pad my bill beyond the
> time it took me
> to do the work, I'm committing a fraud on the customer. This
> is the reason
> for the "1 hour min" caveat most shops have listed in their
> rates - to pad in
> some extra billed hours on small jobs.
>
I agree.  I looked at the "rip-off" example, and while a little high, I
didn't find it obscene.  Don't have it around to review again.

> Yup - what he said. You have to pay for your own tools, and
> those "special
> tools" from the manufacturers are NOT cheap. And from
> experience... the
> nicest people in the world often seem to forget to return
> tools on a regular
> basis.  However, if it's something you use on a regular
> basis, I don't think
> it's unresonable to buy it - I've always done the same at
> home with my own
> tools - if I end up needing it more than a couple times it's
> probably worth
> buying it instead of making do with the wrong tool.

I think we agree in general.  My point is that the mech gets paid an hourly
rate no matter what tools he has (to some extent).  He definitely has to buy
the tools he "needs", but if he can get by ... more beer money.  So, if he
only disassembles 3 kayaba forks a year and it's possible to do with an
impact wrench, that's the way it's gonna happen.

> I said, however, I believe setting a real hourly rate and charging
> "real time" would go over MUCH better than padding the bill in most
> customers' eyes.
>
Yep, I'm not defending shops that pad bills.  By all means, take your
business elsewhere.  I just think that some of the examples on this thread
have been ridiculous.  Hell, the example that started it was nothing
compared to a valve adjustment I had done at CPS.  Come on, stop whining
because a mechanic wouldn't lend you a tool.  While it would be nice if
shops were more friendly, this is the DC area so f-off :)

Jay St. Peter



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Top ten reasons Harley riders don't wave-
10. Afraid it will invalidate warranty.
 9. Leather and studs make it too hard to raise arm.
 8. Refuses to wave to anyone whose bike is already
paid for.
 7. Afraid to let go of the handlebars because they
might vibrate off.
 6. Rushing wind would blow scabs off the new tattoos.
 5. Angry because just took out second mortgage to pay
luxury tax on 
new
    Harley.
 4. Just discovered the fine print in owner's manual
and realized H-D 
is
    partially owned by those rice-burner
manufacturers.
 3. Can't tell if other riders are waving or just
reaching to cover 
their
    ears like everyone else.
 2. Remembers the last time a Harley rider waved back,
he impaled his 
hand
    on spiked helmet.
 1. They're jealous that after spending $20,000, they
still don't own 
a
    Gold Wing.

Top ten reasons Gold Wing riders don't wave-
10. Wasn't sure whether other rider was waving or
making obscene
    gesture.
 9. Afraid might get frostbit if hand is removed from
heated grip.
 8. Has arthritis and the past 400 miles have made it
difficult to
    raise arm.
 7. Reflection from etched windshield momentarily
blinded him.
 6. The expresso machine just finished.
 5. Was actually asleep when other rider waved.
 4. Was in a 3-way conference with stock broker and
accessories 
dealer.
 3. Couldn't find the "Auto Wave" button .
 2. Was simultaneously adjusting the air suspension,
seat height,
    programmable CD, seat temp and satellite nav
system.
 1. They couldn't see through the glare from the
chromed dash accents!

Top ten reasons Sport Bike riders don't wave-
10.  Blow-by oncoming riders so fast, the wave is 1/4
mile down the
     road.
 9.  Leathers are so stiff, even a cat couldn't
scratch 'em.
 8.  When tucked-in, can't see crap through the
windscreen.
 7.  Hands are so numb, can't feel 'em.
 8.  'Nads and Johnson are so numb, can't feel 'em
either.
 7.  Afraid to raise arm for fear of gettin' blown off
the scoot.
 6.  Ain't got time to wave, always stirrin' the
6-speed gearbox.
 5.  Upsets your line goin' through corners.
 4.  Slows you down a few MPH.
 3.  Too busy lettin' your pillion have her way with
you.
 2.  May be a Harley-Davidson rider.
 1.  Didn't see ya' dude, was lookin' at the road!
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> 1. Is your primary motorcycle:
a. Sport Bike( 916bip)


> 2. During the summer months, on average, how often do
> you ride?
>   b. Every day except for bad weather(or some business that requires car)

> 3. How many months a year do you ride?
>   c. 5-8
 
> 4. What age group are you in? (All responses will be
> held strictly confidential)
>   d. 25-34

> 5. How old were you when you first started riding?
>   e. 15-24
 
> 6. Why did you start riding (best answer only)?
>   h. That Certain Je Ne Sais Quois (I don't know what

> 7. Do you race motorcycles?
>   b. No


Genna Melamed
genna@XXXXXX
'97 916(bip)


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From: Dale Horstman <the.horkster@XXXXXX>
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Matthew Patton wrote:
> 
> [ after last week I guess we needed another popular flame subject. ]
> 
> I'm aware of the real world costs of doing business and will let that aspect of the topic rest. In the spirit of Dale's post several months back about Connie valves... If anyone wants to do their own work or learn how to do it and use what tools I have, then I can help. Things I can do or support doing:

<snip>

Make sure you hold out for at least a nice meal, Matthew!  Sounds
like a great deal for someone willing to learn.  Could have used
you a couple of years ago when I was getting my feet wet.  :)

In a similar vein, anybody have experience fixing air conditioners
in cages?  My 1995 Chrysler is a real sweatbox now, all the local
car stealers want to do is charge an arm and a leg to add freon,
which leaks out in a month or two...  I'm gonna tackle in a few
weeks, would appreciate (read:  beer & nice meal of your choice) 
any help anyone has to offer.

Dale
 
-- 
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Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX  AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done.
Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth       
 
'98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer  
'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 
'82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress

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Not that unusual. My late friend had a handicap tag for his scoot.  One can
qualify with emphysema (sp?), angina, or the like.  Any prob that precludes
them from having to haul butt great distances, especially in the heat.  It is
a mistake to assume the handicap tag is bogus because you spy  the owner
walking without a visable limp or whatever.  They could be one nitro tab away
from *The Big One*

Bill

mobacc wrote:

> As I recall this topic once brought forth chuckles.   No offense if times
> have changed --
>
> Sighted parked in 1800 blk of M Street Sunday afternoon:
>
> A gorgeous gleaming Harley dresser, hard to look at for the sparkle, deep
> red (magenta?) and chrome (think Fathers Day gift).  Surprised it was let
> out of its case.  And on the back --
>
> DC MC tag -- sporting the disability wheelchair icon!    Thought about
> waiting around to discover the explanation, but didn't.
>
> Bill S. / DC
> [99 VN750]
> Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding fun.


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> I recently got a Kushitani Hamamatsu (anyone know what Hamamatsu is?  A
> mountain?) mesh summer jacket and thought I'd post a short review of it,
> since I haven't seen one yet.

Hamamatsu is the Japanese city which is home to Yamaha, Suzuki, and Honda.

> First off, It was fairly inexpensive in MC
> terms...$250 from a retailer including foam padding in the
elbows/forearms,
> shoulders, and a back pad that covers the shoulder blades as well.

I got mine in black two weeks ago for $199 (on sale from $249) from European
Cycles Specialties http://www.europeancycle.com/ in Orange County (Garden
Grove), CA. (This is a terrific Ducati/Aprilia shop that I visited while my
so was busy at a conference. Since then, I've asked about them in the usenet
sportbike group and received only positive recommendations.) They had the
jackets in black, silver, and a red which almost matches the Aprilia red.
Out there, the sizes large and smaller had left-handed zippers, while the XL
and XXL had our normal right-handed zippers (made especially for larger
Americans?)

> When on, it feels like you're not wearing a jacket at all, especially when
> compared to my 'stich Roadcrafter or HJC leather.  And it really does
> breathe!  I've been riding in 90+ degree weather with it, with all the
> humidity you could ask for, and have been - gasp - comfortable.  As long
as
> I'm moving , of course.  Compared to the 'stich, which was unbelievably
hot
> in even 80 degrees, this is like having air conditioning.

It's very light, agreed. I've been alternating this week between the
Kushitani and the Joe Rocket mesh, which has armor rather than the thin
energy-absorbing pads in the Kushitani.
I think the Kushitani lets in more air through the body, and the JR lets
more in through the front of the sleeves. The JR also has two zip pockets at
the front side; the Kush has the one chest pocket.

I think the Kush is more comfortable to wear, in part at least because it
doesn't contain the hard armor pieces, but the JR has much better
protection, and snap straps around the arms to hold its elbow armor in
place. Still haven't made up my mind which I like better. I'm ignoring cost,
since the Kush  at $199 didn't compare well in that regard with the JR at
$79.

Someone in a usenet group posted last night about the fact that you want to
avoid velcro coming into contact with these jackets, since it sort of pills
the fabric. I added that, as I found out riding late last night, you also
want to avoid clouds of small bugs near the Potomac, 'cuz the get embedded
in the open weave fabric and are a bitch to get out.

> All in all, I would highly recommend this jacket for anyone who wants
> something lightweight, comfortable, and not spend the dough on perfed
> leather, which still would not be as comfortable.  Now if they only made
> pants out of this stuff too...

If I were going to seriously consider mesh pants, I'd definitely go for the
JR's level of protection in both jacket and pants. I don't think Kush type
pants would be even as good as Draggin Jeans.

-- Larry
'01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco (got it back at last!)
'84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike)
'01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup
bike to the small emergency backup bike)



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Dale Horstman wrote:

> Matthew Patton wrote:
> >
> > [ after last week I guess we needed another popular flame subject. ]
> >
> > I'm aware of the real world costs of doing business and will let that aspect of the topic rest. In the spirit of Dale's post several months back about Connie valves... If anyone wants to do their own work or learn how to do it and use what tools I have, then I can help. Things I can do or support doing:
>
> <snip>
>
> Make sure you hold out for at least a nice meal, Matthew!  Sounds
> like a great deal for someone willing to learn.  Could have used
> you a couple of years ago when I was getting my feet wet.  :)
>
> In a similar vein, anybody have experience fixing air conditioners
> in cages?  My 1995 Chrysler is a real sweatbox now, all the local
> car stealers want to do is charge an arm and a leg to add freon,
> which leaks out in a month or two...  I'm gonna tackle in a few
> weeks, would appreciate (read:  beer & nice meal of your choice)
> any help anyone has to offer.
>
> Dale

Strange - I thought all leaks had to be identified and fixed before shooting up the system with freon.  EPA prevention requirement?  My ol' Dodge van had a leaky something valve and it cost like $200 to R&R the valve plus the cost of freon.

Methinks  UV light will detect the leak.  Check the tittie bars, they use UV lights to make those pasties glow.  Better yet, send Matt Patton over to the 1320 club to borrow one :-)

Bill


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> I hesitate to answer the survey as my routine is changing this summer
> since the wife and I are expecting twins soon.

> 1. Is your primary motorcycle:
>   g. Standard (now)
>   h. Sport Touring Bike (was)
>
> 2. During the summer months, on average, how often do you ride?

> c. 3-5 days a week (was)

>  e. < 1 day a week (now)

> 3. How many months a year do you ride?
>   a. 12
>
> 4. What age group are you in? (All responses will be
> held strictly confidential)
>   c. 35-44
>
> 5. How old were you when you first started riding?
>   e. 15-24

> 6. Why did you start riding (best answer only)?
>   d. To make driving fun
>
> 7. Do you race motorcycles?
>   b. No

Regards,

Bob
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> It's very light, agreed. I've been alternating this week between the
> Kushitani and the Joe Rocket mesh, which has armor rather than the thin
> energy-absorbing pads in the Kushitani.
> I think the Kushitani lets in more air through the body, and the JR lets
> more in through the front of the sleeves. The JR also has two zip pockets
at
> the front side; the Kush has the one chest pocket.

My Kush has 4 front pockets (2 chest, 2 "hand warmer"), so it's possible
this is a different model.  Sounds very similar other than that though...
You are definitely giving up *some* protection or durability with these
lightweight jackets (no matter what the literature says), but hopefully it's
enough to fully protect me once.  I don't mind replacing a jacket that saved
my skin by sacrificing itself...


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That is all.




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I'm forwarding this from my Adventure-Touring list - maybe someone here is
interested or knows:

   Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 17:21:22 -0400
   From: "Emil W. King" <sule_obasi@XXXXXX>
Subject: DR650 or KLR650 wanted

I'm a previous member of this list and I recently had my XT225 stolen. Well,
I'd wanted a new bike, but not like this. It's really messing up my
commuting routine but hey, life throws you curves.

I'm interested in an early-model DR or KLR that's still in relatively good
condition and highway-worthy. An '89-'93 seems about right, for my price
range anyway; I work for an environmental non-profit and you know little
green "greenies" actually see.

If you know of something near Washington, DC (or a 500mile radius), drop a
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Thanks in advance.

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Anyone else with a car and bike notice the USAA increases recently?  My 
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Subject: Virginia USAA Increases


 Anyone else with a car and bike notice the USAA increases recently?  My
insurance went up in January and again in June due to a "statewide
increase".  My cage went up by $200 a year over the two increases!


    I didn't rcv a notice of this sort....of course all of my bikes and
autos are registered in Tennessee, but they are insured here in
Virginia...so I pay a higher rate than I would back home....I wonder if I
didn't notice or if I was exempt, because of the registration regardless of
the address insured.....?????  You have me worried now......thanx Les


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And that really was the point I was trying to make.  World Superbike and
GP seem to be able to attract relatively large crowds wherever they
race.  And even though I love watching all the m/c racing on
Speedvision, I love watching the World Superbike and GP racing more than
I do the AMA racing (no disrespect to the AMA racers).  Clearly, the AMA
could stand to learn a lot from organizations such as NASCAR, CART, SBK,
FIM, and even the Bernie Ecclestone Formula 1 show.

Brian Roach wrote <SNIP>:
> 
> motorcycles". We went to Laguna last year to see the SBK World Superbike
> round... 115k other people showed up as well. It was the largest crowd ever
> for a motorcycle event in the U.S. .... The difference? The FIM was running
> the show, not the AMA (They were there along for the ride, but trust me, they
> were not the main attraction).

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At 09:38 PM 6/20/01, L4rite wrote:
>Subject: Virginia USAA Increases
>
>  Anyone else with a car and bike notice the USAA increases recently?  My
>insurance went up in January and again in June due to a "statewide
>increase".  My cage went up by $200 a year over the two increases!
>
>     I didn't rcv a notice of this sort....of course all of my bikes and
>autos are registered in Tennessee, but they are insured here in
>Virginia...so I pay a higher rate than I would back home....I wonder if I
>didn't notice or if I was exempt, because of the registration regardless of
>the address insured.....?????  You have me worried now......thanx Les

I didn't notice any particular increase notices either, so I'll have to
check the invoices. Hmmm....

-- Larry
'01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco
'84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike)
'01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small
emergency backup bike)



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Subject: Community wrench (was Re: How shops bill labor)

[ after last week I guess we needed another popular flame subject. ]

I'm aware of the real world costs of doing business and will let that aspect
of the topic rest. In the spirit of Dale's post several months back about
Connie valves... If anyone wants to do their own work or learn how to do it
and use what tools I have, then I can help. Things I can do or support
doing:

change/balance tires
change and bleed brakes and clutches
rebuild calipers
change fork seals
dissassemble forks (with the aforementioned caveats)
cut and rivit chains
solder electricals (not great)
cut and grind all kinds of stuff (nothing of high precision)
rebuild and balance carbs
set idle mixture screws and idle speed (with a real tach vs the inaccurate
one on the bike)
adjust timing
replace seals and bearings
replace sprockets
adjust Triumph valves (pending)

and probably more. I have air tools (impact, hammer, cutting disk, paint
gun), sockets, torque wrenches, breaker bars, full set of torx and hex bits.
MAP gas torch, vise, drill press, saws, sander, safety wire...

And no, I'm not a licensed mechanic. But maybe some day I will be. Been
eyeing the courses for a while now.
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This is an extremely nice offer Matt.  Beware that some might take you up on
it though.  I've done this sort of thing on occassion, but it invariably
turns into a social thing more than a learning thing.  I don't mind that
aspect, I just don't like getting stuck with all the work if nothing was
really imparted.  It's a nice gesture all the same though.

Your points about shop charges and apparent lack of service are spot on.
This, among other reasons is why I chose to learn something about my own
bikes.  I used to go to Colemans with my wheel and a tire in tow only to be
made to wait (at most) 2 hours and then pay around $40 for the "Service".
Fuckheads!

The fact of the matter is, the shop NEEDS to charge what it does to justify
the overhead of floorspace and salaries for off months, as well as financing
those special tools.  It sucks, and I'd rather just pay for quality
specialized tools like Glenn mentioned because, in the end, I'm gonna learn
something new AND I'm gonna have to pay anyway!

Looking to buy a CarbTune II 4-stick vacuum gauge right NOW!  Anyone know
where I can get one in the US for under $75?  Also will be breaking down for
a hanging gas tank for Carb-Synching (always rigged something in the past,
but the VTR may not allow that).

Todd (Springfield, VA)



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 for those who don't know but are interested, keith code just added another
VIR date for his school...July 18th.

LAG


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Chuck, I'm curious as to what it is exactly about WSB and GP stuff you
prefer over AMA superbike racing in terms of the viewer experience. I'd also
love to hear from anyone else who has an opinion on this.

Randy

on 6.20.2001 7:08 PM, Chuck Pena at cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote:

<snip>

 And even though I love watching all the m/c racing on Speedvision, I love
watching the World Superbike and GP racing more than I do the AMA racing (no
disrespect to the AMA racers).  Clearly, the AMA could stand to learn a lot
from organizations such as NASCAR, CART, SBK, FIM, and even the Bernie
Ecclestone Formula 1 show.

<snip>



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On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 at 11:18:15 -0700 (PDT) Trey Herb
gave us... Top ten reasons Harley riders don't wave,
and... Top ten reasons Gold Wing riders don't wave-

So here are the... 
Top Ten Reasons Vintage Bike Riders Don't Wave

10. Too busy working the gear shift with that hand.
 9. Broken clutch cable is tied to that hand.
 8. Vibration makes other bikes look like cars.
 7. Afraid to let go of the handlebars because they
might vibrate off (also applies to HDs).
 6. Using that hand to hold carburettor on after bolts
vibrated off.
 5. Using that hand to hold intake manifold on after
bolts vibrated off.
 4. Using that hand to hold cylinder head on after
bolts vibrated off.
 3. Didn't see you, dude.  Was looking at the ammeter,
trying to estimate an average reading between the wild
swings of the needle.
 2. Arm is actually broken from doing motocross jumps
on 350 pound Velocette.
 1. Aaawww hell.  Those vintage always wave.



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Trey Herb wrote:

> Top ten reasons Harley riders don't wave-

You forgot one...

I use to wave from my Harley but the usual reply was a shocked look and
inattention to traffic, placing the gawking recipiant of my wave in a
dangerous position.

Bill


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>Snip<  And no, I'm not a licensed mechanic. But maybe some day I will be. 
Been
eyeing the courses for a while now.

Talk to some folks that have tried to earn a living at it first. Then talk to 
some of the local shops about who they will hire. Some of the schools are 
respected among shops but some are considered a joke. (If you ask me (8 years 
at it) I would say DO NOT! Its damn hard to earn a living at it, exposes you 
to god knows what toxic and carcinogenic chemicals, and you will constantly 
be accused of being a thief.)


>Snip<  The fact of the matter is, the shop NEEDS to charge what it does to 
justify
the overhead of floorspace and salaries for off months, as well as financing
those special tools.  


True BUT this in no way explains lousy service, there is no excuse for making 
someone wait 4 hrs. for a tire change. 
A lot of lousy service is due to shops that refuse to hire enough mechanics, 
or more likely (see above) simply refuse to pay mechanics a living wage and 
so can not find mechanics to do the work.


>Snip<  Looking to buy a CarbTune II 4-stick vacuum gauge right NOW!  Anyone 
know
where I can get one in the US for under $75?  

It seems to me that a "home" set sells for about $40


John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC

Honda ST1100X Pan European
    (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.)
BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles
Honda 1976 CR250M  Motowhat racer

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In a message dated 6/19/2001 5:29:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
glenn_dysart@XXXXXX writes:

>Snip<   Any
>  decent shop should own a bleeder tool that hooks to an
>  air compressor and sucks the fluid through 
>Snip<  
>At $180 I'm thinking of buying one myself.

How about  $0.00 to about $10.00 depending on how much junk you have sitting 
around your shop? Mine cost me $0 and pulls about -10psi. and would pull more 
with little modification. If you or anyone else is interested I can doodle 
out plans to make it and scan them in, or bring it to the next DC cycles get 
together and show you.


John Walters (Long John)
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Randy,

I'm not sure I could tell you exactly why.  I think part of it has to do
with the fact that since I was a kid (many, many moons ago), I always
loved Formula 1 racing over all other forms of auto racing so maybe I
have a slightly "Euro bias".  I know part of the reason I love 500 GP
racing so much is that -- to me -- it is the equivalent of Formula 1 for
motorcycles.  And I think it takes a very special rider to be able to
race the 2-stroke beasties!  I also think -- for the most part -- that
the tracks used for WSB and GP racing are better venues than most of the
AMA tracks.  Clearly, more investment has been made in the WSB/GP tracks
to make them better/safer and spectator-friendly than most AMA tracks. 
But I also know that there is more spectator demand for motorcycle
racing overseas and that makes it more financially feasible/attractive
to do so.  And IMHO, I think that -- overall -- WSB and GP events are
better "produced" and more professionally managed than AMA events. 
Again, I know that a lot of that has to do with the fact that there's
much more $$$ in WSB and GP than AMA.

I hope my comment wasn't taken as a dis' on AMA racers or the racing
action at AMA races, because that was NOT my intent.  But if I had to
make a choice between either watching on TV or actually attending a
stricly AMA event vs. a WSB or GP event, I'd choose the WSB or GP event
to watch.

Don't know if this completely answers your question, but hope it helps.

Cheers,
Chuck

Randy or Julie Moran wrote:
> 
> Chuck, I'm curious as to what it is exactly about WSB and GP stuff you
> prefer over AMA superbike racing in terms of the viewer experience. I'd also
> love to hear from anyone else who has an opinion on this.

-- 
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Just a reminder that the next Bike Night is next Tuesday, June 26th at
Grevey's in Falls Church, 5-9pm.  All the details are on the website

http://www.geocities.com/bikenight

Hope to see y'all there!

Chuck

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Hi All

I am selling  three bikes. Honda CBR 1000 1991 red/black sports tourer 24k 
mileage.
Yamaha FZR 1000 1989 silver/black sports bike 33k mileage. Both in very good 
condition,  $3800 for the Honda.  $3500 for the Yamaha. I also have a 
Kawasaki LTD 500 1981 7k Needs a new coil pickup sensor otherwise it's in 
great condition $300.
Kawasaki will be a freebie for anyone buying either the Honda or Yamaha.

Contact me at this e mail address or call 703 413 6705 daytime. 301 718 8847 
evenings.

Richard McCreadie

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Subject: Huh?
As I recall this topic once brought forth chuckles.   No offense if times
have changed --
DC MC tag -- sporting the disability wheelchair icon!    Thought about
waiting around to discover the explanation, but didn't.


Maryland now offers handicapped MC tags.  There's a guy I ocasionally talk
with on my commute in.  He took a bullet in Korea and has had major back
problems since.  He lobbied Maryland for handicap tags for bikes. He is
not sure if he has the first or second motorcycle handicap tags in MD.

On another note.  My college roomie was and still is deathy arthritic.
She was born with arthritis and is always on tons of medication including
steroids.  You can't tell by looking at her that she is so handicapped.
If she walks for more than one block she swells up like a baloon.  The
only good thing for her is to park in handicapped spaces.  The other thing
was that when we shared an apt. in Michigan she qualified for reduced
price utilities and phone because she is technically handicapped.  The
phone was always in her name!

Lisa 
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<<< Methinks  UV light will detect the leak.  >>>

Only if the AC system is first injected with a UV dye...

Also, to those bitching about shops/tools/prices.... If a complete stranger 
walks up to me at my shop, asking to borrow a $200-$300 tool "I'll bring it 
right back" .... Yeah right.....  Give me a deposit....  As for people 
working on cars/bikes in the shops parking lot, or using the facilities, the 
reason I'm forced to say "no" is for insurance reasons. If you screw up, and 
your car/bike falls on your foot, the shop is liable for injuries on the 
property...

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A well respected old mechanic friend of mine once asked... "How can you tell 
a professional mechanic from an amateur?"

Answer:  "Amateurs loan tools."

I spent a total of 8 years as a motorcycle mechanic and _I do not loan tools 
to anyone._  As far as I am concerned that is like saying "Since I do not 
have a girlfriend so you should let me use yours, I will bring her right back 
and  I promise not break her." Or how about "Can I borrow your bike?..."
That said if it is indeed just a "quickie" I often came out and did it for 
them, no charge, unless they made an ass out of themselves by demanding it.


John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC

Honda ST1100X Pan European
    (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.)
BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles
Honda 1976 CR250M  Motowhat racer

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Sorry for the reprint, but some folks ask for some more stats.  Here
they are:

DeVilBiss 5hp 25Gal Air Compressor 
http://www.devap.com/compressors/index.asp 

Displacement CFM: 11.9
Bore: 2 3/8"
Stroke: 1.35"
Voltage: 120
Min Branch Circuit Req: 15 Amps
Cut-in Pressure: 100
Cut-Out Pressure: 125
SCFM @ 40 psig: 8.8
SCFM @ 90 psig: 6.9

It's the laydown model with motor on top. Originally bought at CostCo,
but a Campbell-Hausfeld equivalent at Wal-mart.com is ~$250.

$200 or trade for a smaller one and some cash(or race tires). 

Can deliver to DC Area, CMP 6/23, or multiple other racetracks.

Email direct: TightSqueezeRacing@XXXXXX



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Never been much of a cruiser nut, but my wife wants me to get something
comfortable for her to ride on.  I have an FJ1100 and a TL1000R.  The TL is
stripped for solo riding only, and the FJ vibration gets to her arse and my
wrist and hands in short order.  I will probably sell my 85 FJ (anyone
interested?).  It is in EXCELLENT condition, garaged, just gone over this
winter, valves adjusted, new brakes, new fluids, new Ohlins rear shock, new
furl fluid, progressive springs, about 29k on the odometer.  Paint is Imron.
$2400 without the Ohlins shock or $2800 with it.  It still have the stock
shock.

Photo:
http://www.fj1100.com/85fj1100.jpg


Looking at the Honda Shadow Sabre and the VTX.  I want no bodywork,
something simple and fun.  Only accessories to be added are a backrest and
luggage rack.  I hate the cruisers with the big skirted fenders.

Anyone have any feedback?  Problems?  I know the VTX is very new, and I'm
not sure I want a 700lb bike.

Any comments welcome.

Gary Foreman


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My rates went up in Maryland too but a lot less than
yours did.  In Maryland the hike was about $25 per
vehicle for the 6 months.
--- Troutman <mike@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Anyone else with a car and bike notice the USAA
> increases recently?  My 
> insurance went up in January and again in June due
> to a "statewide 
> increase".  My cage went up by $200 a year over the
> two increases!
> 
> ___________________________________________
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	June 22-23. Stunt show, drag racing, thong contest.
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Anyone have an opinion on the Nolan N100 "Trend" helmet?  How does it compare to the HJC "Symax", other than being about $60
cheaper?  Or is the rotating chinbar just a bad idea altogether?

RSVP to the e-mail below.... and thanks in advance.

~~~~~~~~~~~
John Stevens
jrsteve@XXXXXX
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I've been doing most of my riding in an N-100 for about a year, and I like
it a lot. It is a terrific convenience if you wear glasses, as I do. In
addition, in a very hot pinch, you can ride with the chin bar up (I know you
shouldn't, but people do -- including the staff of Bikeweek, on
Speedvision).

I find the Symax and the N-100 to be quite similar in head shape and
quality. The Symax has a single-button release, and the N-100 has a
two-button release. I actually prefer the two button release for safety
reasons -- I think it's less likely to release when you don't want it to,
and it discourages one from even thinking of opening it on the fly (as in
the recent apocryphal gloves-stuck-in-helmet story).

I think the N-100 has more useful ratchet positions for the visor, and I
like the N-100 quick release buckle better than any other arrangement I've
worn.

I also like the fact that the N-100 comes in flat black, with essentially
invisible logos. I hate being a human billboard unless I'm getting paid for
it.

The sizes seem interleaved: I require an XXL in the N-100, and can't wear an
XL; but the Symax XL fits fine, just a little snugger than the N-100 XXL.

Both are a little bit louder than the Arai Quantum F, but not objectionable
so (but then I'm old and half-deaf anyway. YMMV.)

There are several other movable chin bar options, though:

- Schuberth's Concept, with the inner sun shade ($399) I've gotta try this
one, but availability in the full range of sizes seems extremely limited
right now. Initial reviews include complaints of the sun visor falling down
when riding over rough road -- not good.

- Lazer's Century (~$220) Haven't been able to find one of these yet.
Distributor is in CO.

- Shoei's Syncrotec (~$380) Typical Shoei head shape -- I could not find one
which fit me decently.

- Caberg's J1 Plus ($145) UK, not US (I have this one too). Quite similar to
the N-100 and Symax in shape and fit. On this one, the chin bar is totally
removable so the helmet can be easily worn as a 3/4.

Much as I'm addicted to the N-100, I must admit, that if I know I'm going to
be riding long and fast (even extended Interstate time), I wear the Quantum.

-- Larry



----- Original Message -----
> Anyone have an opinion on the Nolan N100 "Trend" helmet?  How does it
> compare to the HJC "Symax", other than being about $60
> cheaper?  Or is the rotating chinbar just a bad idea altogether?


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I ride with a Shoei Duotech.  It sounds similar to the N-100.  The two side
buttons can be hard to find with gloved fingers.  I agree with the glasses: you
don't need to remove specs to put the helmet on; a great convienence.  Down
sides: yes, louder and are only DOT approved (no SNELL rating).

Bob
'89 HawkGT

Dexter Medley wrote:

> I've been doing most of my riding in an N-100 for about a year, and I like
> it a lot. It is a terrific convenience if you wear glasses, as I do. In
> addition, in a very hot pinch, you can ride with the chin bar up (I know you
> shouldn't, but people do -- including the staff of Bikeweek, on
> Speedvision).
>
> I find the Symax and the N-100 to be quite similar in head shape and
> quality. The Symax has a single-button release, and the N-100 has a
> two-button release. I actually prefer the two button release for safety
> reasons -- I think it's less likely to release when you don't want it to,
> and it discourages one from even thinking of opening it on the fly (as in
> the recent apocryphal gloves-stuck-in-helmet story).
>
> I think the N-100 has more useful ratchet positions for the visor, and I
> like the N-100 quick release buckle better than any other arrangement I've
> worn.
>
> I also like the fact that the N-100 comes in flat black, with essentially
> invisible logos. I hate being a human billboard unless I'm getting paid for
> it.
>
> The sizes seem interleaved: I require an XXL in the N-100, and can't wear an
> XL; but the Symax XL fits fine, just a little snugger than the N-100 XXL.
>
> Both are a little bit louder than the Arai Quantum F, but not objectionable
> so (but then I'm old and half-deaf anyway. YMMV.)
>
> There are several other movable chin bar options, though:
>
> - Schuberth's Concept, with the inner sun shade ($399) I've gotta try this
> one, but availability in the full range of sizes seems extremely limited
> right now. Initial reviews include complaints of the sun visor falling down
> when riding over rough road -- not good.
>
> - Lazer's Century (~$220) Haven't been able to find one of these yet.
> Distributor is in CO.
>
> - Shoei's Syncrotec (~$380) Typical Shoei head shape -- I could not find one
> which fit me decently.
>
> - Caberg's J1 Plus ($145) UK, not US (I have this one too). Quite similar to
> the N-100 and Symax in shape and fit. On this one, the chin bar is totally
> removable so the helmet can be easily worn as a 3/4.
>
> Much as I'm addicted to the N-100, I must admit, that if I know I'm going to
> be riding long and fast (even extended Interstate time), I wear the Quantum.
>
> -- Larry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > Anyone have an opinion on the Nolan N100 "Trend" helmet?  How does it
> > compare to the HJC "Symax", other than being about $60
> > cheaper?  Or is the rotating chinbar just a bad idea altogether?


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Don't forget that there's one made by a European
company called Roof which has a visor that's
independent from the chinbar. Also the chinbar will
rotate all the way around to the back of the helmet.
I'm interested in these, but I haven't heard of a U.S.
distributor.

Chris Weaver

--- Dexter Medley <pltrgyst@XXXXXX> wrote:
> There are several other movable chin bar options,
> though:

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On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, jrsteve@XXXXXX wrote:
> Anyone have an opinion on the Nolan N100 "Trend" helmet?  How does it
> compare to the HJC "Symax", other than being about $60 cheaper?  Or is the
> rotating chinbar just a bad idea altogether?
>
> RSVP to the e-mail below.... and thanks in advance.

The one big complaint I have with the Nolan is that it's LOUD inside, mainly 
at highway speeds. I think a lot of it is air coming through where the chin 
splits to lift up. Other than that... it's definatly more of a shoei shell 
shape, as it rubs my forehead on long rides... but that's not the helmet's 
fault, I just have a pointy head :)  My Arai is about 10x quieter, and 
because of the shell shape, much more comfortable. If I could get a flip-up 
with the Arai oval type shell shape and a little less wind noise, I'd 
definatly get one - they're really convenient (especially if you wear 
glasses).
  
- Roach

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At 02:04 PM 6/22/01, Robert Rapp wrote:
>I ride with a Shoei Duotech.  It sounds similar to the N-100.  The two side
>buttons can be hard to find with gloved fingers.

Hmm -- what's the Duotech? What's its price range? It's not on the
Shoei Web site -- only the Syncrotec, which has a single release.
Do you have a pointer to a Web page with full description?

Thanks -- Larry
'01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco
'84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike)
'01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small
emergency backup bike)



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At 02:32 PM 6/22/01, Chris Weaver wrote:
>Don't forget that there's one made by a European
>company called Roof which has a visor that's
>independent from the chinbar. Also the chinbar will
>rotate all the way around to the back of the helmet.
>I'm interested in these, but I haven't heard of a U.S.
>distributor.



That's right, the Roof Boxer  (~GBP215). Forgot about that
one, which I also didn't come across in the UK.

Strange looking beastie, that.

-- Larry
'01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco
'84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike)
'01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small
emergency backup bike)



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The Syncrotec is Shoei's replacement/upgrade to the Duotec.  The Duotec is no
longer made/available to my knowledge (yes, I too am considering a new helmet).
I couldn't find any on-line docs, sorry.  The Duotec in particular has two
release buttons (1 on each side of the face shield).  They can be hard to find
and hard to release using 1 hand though I have done it while usually maintaining
control. ;-)  In general, my experience with this style helmet has yielded the
following likes/dislikes.

Advantages:
1) easy to don; especially if rider wears glasses;
2) can be opened while sitting at lights for added ventilation;
3) better visibility when face is open (though don't recommend for general
riding);
4) easier for security guards to identify you upon entry to secured sites;
5) easier to talk with fellow riders w/out using comm systems

Disadvantages:
1) much louder;
2) non-SNELL approved;
3) more moving parts.

Regards,

Bob Rapp
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Larry Larson wrote:

> At 02:04 PM 6/22/01, Robert Rapp wrote:
> >I ride with a Shoei Duotech.  It sounds similar to the N-100.  The two side
> >buttons can be hard to find with gloved fingers.
>
> Hmm -- what's the Duotech? What's its price range? It's not on the
> Shoei Web site -- only the Syncrotec, which has a single release.
> Do you have a pointer to a Web page with full description?
>
> Thanks -- Larry
> '01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco
> '84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike)
> '01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small
> emergency backup bike)


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Sounds like the Schuberth that was mentioned.  From what I've heard about it, the chinbar rotates all the way to the back on them.  I think it was Battley's who had them.

Scooter

In a message dated Fri, 22 Jun 2001  2:33:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Chris Weaver <chris_vtr@XXXXXX> writes:

<< Don't forget that there's one made by a European
company called Roof which has a visor that's
independent from the chinbar. Also the chinbar will
rotate all the way around to the back of the helmet.
I'm interested in these, but I haven't heard of a U.S.
distributor.

Chris Weaver

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> There are several other movable chin bar options,
> though:

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What?!?!?!  You didn't read the article about helmet fit on the DC Cycles website?  It talks about what to do if the forehead of the helmet rubs.  Basically it says to compact down the area where it rubs with the back of a spoon.  Not much, just enough so that it doesn't rub.  I tried this the other day on my Shoei and it actually worked.  Most comfortable it's fit in a while.  I'm gonna try it on my Nolan shortly.  Although, I used my thumb instead and pressed in the shape I wanted.  Didn't want to press a spoon through the shell.  :-)

Scooter

In a message dated Fri, 22 Jun 2001  2:49:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Brian Roach <roach@XXXXXX> writes:

<< On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, jrsteve@XXXXXX wrote:
> Anyone have an opinion on the Nolan N100 "Trend" helmet?  How does it
> compare to the HJC "Symax", other than being about $60 cheaper?  Or is the
> rotating chinbar just a bad idea altogether?
>
> RSVP to the e-mail below.... and thanks in advance.

The one big complaint I have with the Nolan is that it's LOUD inside, mainly 
at highway speeds. I think a lot of it is air coming through where the chin 
splits to lift up. Other than that... it's definatly more of a shoei shell 
shape, as it rubs my forehead on long rides... but that's not the helmet's 
fault, I just have a pointy head :)  My Arai is about 10x quieter, and 
because of the shell shape, much more comfortable. If I could get a flip-up 
with the Arai oval type shell shape and a little less wind noise, I'd 
definatly get one - they're really convenient (especially if you wear 
glasses).
  
- Roach
 >>



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Actually, the Syncrotech replaced the Duotech a couple years ago.  Shoei doesn't make them anymore.  At least, that's what the dealer told me.

Scooter

In a message dated Fri, 22 Jun 2001  3:19:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Larry Larson <llarson@XXXXXX> writes:

<< At 02:04 PM 6/22/01, Robert Rapp wrote:
>I ride with a Shoei Duotech.  It sounds similar to the N-100.  The two side
>buttons can be hard to find with gloved fingers.

Hmm -- what's the Duotech? What's its price range? It's not on the
Shoei Web site -- only the Syncrotec, which has a single release.
Do you have a pointer to a Web page with full description?

Thanks -- Larry
'01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco
'84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike)
'01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small
emergency backup bike)


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On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote:
> What?!?!?!  You didn't read the article about helmet fit on the DC Cycles
> website?  It talks about what to do if the forehead of the helmet rubs. 
> Basically it says to compact down the area where it rubs with the back of a
> spoon.  

You've never seen my head, have you? :)

Seriously though... I've done that in the past, and I've done it with the 
Nolan... I just don't LIKE compressing something that's supposed to be there 
to compress on impact. Since I found the Arai shell is a perfect fit, I just 
buy those now.

- Roach

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I just got my copy of Motorcycle Consumer News. The Nolan N100 got the top 
score and the "best buy" for helmets with open-able chin bars.  I've had one 
for several months and can confirm that its a great helmet. The Shoei is 
obviously waaaaaay over priced and the Bell's is NOT safe.


>----- Original Message -----
> > Anyone have an opinion on the Nolan N100 "Trend" helmet?  How does it
> > compare to the HJC "Symax", other than being about $60
> > cheaper?  Or is the rotating chinbar just a bad idea altogether?
>

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I've been looking at various types of riding pants (kevlar/textile
overpants) for eons and have not been able to decision.  Anyone have a brand
or style they particularly like?  The problem is I'm 5'9 and most of the
manufacturers don't accomodate long inseams.  Aerostitch does, but their
Darien pants cost $300, and while I know they're well made, I'd like to find
something a little more affordable.  I've also looked on the M-Gear Review
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Actually, I have.  I was at your SuperBowl party last year.  :-)  I think you just need a haircut and that helmet will fit just fine.  LOL

Scooter

In a message dated Fri, 22 Jun 2001  4:19:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Brian Roach <roach@XXXXXX> writes:

<< On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote:
> What?!?!?!  You didn't read the article about helmet fit on the DC Cycles
> website?  It talks about what to do if the forehead of the helmet rubs. 
> Basically it says to compact down the area where it rubs with the back of a
> spoon.  

You've never seen my head, have you? :)

Seriously though... I've done that in the past, and I've done it with the 
Nolan... I just don't LIKE compressing something that's supposed to be there 
to compress on impact. Since I found the Arai shell is a perfect fit, I just 
buy those now.

- Roach
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$300  !!! YIKES !!!  And I thought our outboard racing gear wuz expensive.   The
pants cost around $200 for Spectra (better cut/abrasion resistrnace than Kevlar)
with a ballistic nylon shell.  Problem is they only come in eye-burn yaller and
orange.

Bill

Wood, Sally wrote:

> I've been looking at various types of riding pants (kevlar/textile
> overpants) for eons and have not been able to decision.  Anyone have a brand
> or style they particularly like?  The problem is I'm 5'9 and most of the
> manufacturers don't accomodate long inseams.  Aerostitch does, but their
> Darien pants cost $300, and while I know they're well made, I'd like to find
> something a little more affordable.  I've also looked on the M-Gear Review
> Web-site...not too many brands have been reviewed.  Would appreciate your
> feedback.  Thanks!
>
> Sally
> '01 YZF600R


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You might check out Moto Guzzi. 26k trouble free miles since last June 1

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Hi All,
Anyone up for a ride Sunday? Need to get the old Ambo out and blow out the bad
memory of my work week! Cheers,

Charlie


>


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I recently reached 25,000 on my tiger. It started to do some weird rattling
noises in the engine. I think i might need to get the valves checked, they
have not been done since 6,000 miles. I have no idea how to do a valve job,
the manual says i need 2 specific tools, something to measure, and a tool
from triumph to hold the thing together for removal. Im worried that the
noise might do some long term damage,  its not incredible loud, but sounds
very agricultural  while riding. I believe its the valves anyway, could be
somethin else, dunno. People have told me to avoid doing this(im completly
new to engines and motorcycles, tools etc..) .

Im looking for someone that can do this sort of job. And if they know how,
how much would it cost? I dont have any tools or anything. I really do not
want to take it to a dealer, all the dealers i have dealt with have been
pretty much incompetent. Last time i took it to a dealer to get a chain and
sprockets installed they screwed my neutral switch, and the kill switch on
my sidestand, and my gast tank started to leak fuel after they rammed a bolt
into the gast tank.


Any advice?

Ricardo Pontes
1998 Triumph Tiger


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Gary, if it's a midcruiser that's attractive, take a glance at a VN750 Kaw
Vulcan.  Lot's of benefits I could go into, among them being virtually
troublefree after a 15+ year continuing run.  You may have to wait for the
'02s, they're hard to find.  Email for particulars.


Bill S. / DC
[99 VN750] 25K and holding
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding fun.


From: "Gary Foreman" <fj1100@XXXXXX>
...snip

Never been much of a cruiser nut, but my wife wants me to get something
comfortable for her to ride on.

...snip

Looking at the Honda Shadow Sabre and the VTX.  I want no bodywork,
something simple and fun.  Only accessories to be added are a backrest and
luggage rack.  I hate the cruisers with the big skirted fenders.

Anyone have any feedback?  Problems?  I know the VTX is very new, and I'm
not sure I want a 700lb bike.

Any comments welcome.

Gary Foreman


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>From where to where?

I may be interested.

Matt 
--- Charles Mullendore
<C.D.Mullendore@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Hi All,
> Anyone up for a ride Sunday? Need to get the old
> Ambo out and blow out the bad
> memory of my work week! Cheers,
> 
> Charlie
> 
> 
> >
> 


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Just a reminder that Fast Lanes is having their HP Shootout Sunday.  Cheap
Dyno runs.


Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Donald Burger wrote:
> No the racers shouldn't shut up and race on unsafe tracks, they should shut
> up and NOT RACE on unsafe tracks.  Every time they go out and race on
> tracks that they consider unsafe they weaken their position on safety.  The
> racers need to do more than talk about how unsafe the tracks are and refuse
> to ride.  I would bet that until the racers are willing to stop racing the
> AMA won't change a thing on rider safety.  Ultimately, if the AMA won't
> look out for the safety of the riders the riders will need to do it on
> their own.

I agree, and it's exactly what the 600cc guys did on Monday when Merill told 
them to go race without any practice on a green track in worsening 
conditions. 12 riders took the the grid, all of them Loudoun locals. Not one 
factory team sent out a rider. Speedvision quietly dropped their live 
coverage of the event in order to not have to explain to the viewer what was 
going on. While I love SpeedVision, and understand they're in a hard position 
here with TV contracts and all, they seem to keep showing they're rather far 
up the AMA's ass when it comes to unbiased coverage of events. When something 
similar happened with SBK in Australia (only one leg was run, the second was 
cancelled by the riders due to torential rains) they didn't seem to have any 
problem reporting on the events as they transpired and even praising the 
riders for taking action to not race in unsafe conditions.

- Roach

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For anyone interested. If you enjoy good beer, Old
Dominion Brewery is having its annual beer festival.
Lots of good beer from different breweries, even Bud
for those that don't enjoy good beer. Food and live
music, usually blues, jazz and folk. It is a good
place to hang out for a day. Definately a cager day,
even if you are not drinking, a day in the sun would
dehydrate you enough to take the edge off your game.

http://www.olddominion.com/location.asp
for directions

If anyone is going give me a shout. I'll be the dork
with the camo hat and the stunning brunette standing
next to me. I'll be there Sat. afternoon into the
evening.

Todd W.

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> Don't forget that there's one made by a European
> company called Roof which has a visor that's
> independent from the chinbar. Also the chinbar will
> rotate all the way around to the back of the helmet.
> I'm interested in these, but I haven't heard of a U.S.
> distributor.

Check Dynamo Humm at
        
        http://www3.sympatico.ca/dyno/roof.html

they're in Canada but it's better than shipping overseas

-- 
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  Bit Twiddlers, Inc.                       match for natural stupidity
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From: "Todd Peer" <toddbpeer@XXXXXX>
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Subject: $0.00 Brake Bleeder.....Was:New Baltimore shop....rip off?
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 15:46:36 -0400
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ME!  I'm Interested.

Todd (Springfield, VA)
--------------------------------------------------
From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Full-name: PenguinBiker
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 07:17:15 EDT
Subject: Re: New Baltimore shop....rip off?
To: glenn_dysart@XXXXXX

In a message dated 6/19/2001 5:29:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
glenn_dysart@XXXXXX writes:

>Snip<   Any
>  decent shop should own a bleeder tool that hooks to an
>  air compressor and sucks the fluid through
>Snip<
>At $180 I'm thinking of buying one myself.

How about  $0.00 to about $10.00 depending on how much junk you have sitting
around your shop? Mine cost me $0 and pulls about -10psi. and would pull
more
with little modification. If you or anyone else is interested I can doodle
out plans to make it and scan them in, or bring it to the next DC cycles get
together and show you.


John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC



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   "Pamela D. Haberman" <phaberman@XXXXXX>,
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Subject: On my own....
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 18:10:48 -0400
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Well, after deciding to leave my job at Circle.com, I've decided to go out
on my own.  I have started my own freelance gig called WordSmart editing and
proofreading services.  I would appreciate if your company, or anyone you
know, needs freelance editing and proofreading, that point them to my site
www.wordsmartediting.com.  Make sure that you have them tell me you
recommended me!  I appreciate your help.  Wish me luck!!!

Laura


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From: "Gary Foreman" <fj1100@XXXXXX>
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   "Dccycles2" <dccycles2@XXXXXX>
Subject: My new toy.
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 22:25:52 -0400
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Well, the wife hates riding on my TL1000R (so I removed all the passenger
stuff), and I thought she would love riding the FJ, but the vibration gets
to her...and not in a good way.  So she said I should get a bike with less
vibration and a backrest for her.  So here's what I got:

http://www.tl1000.com/shadow/shadow2.jpg
http://www.tl1000.com/shadow/shadow3.jpg
http://www.tl1000.com/shadow/shadow4.jpg

Picked purchased it at Tri County Honda in Petersburg WV (My Suzuki dealer
in Romney owns this also).  $6995 out the door.  The weather was so bad that
I will pick it up later this week.

Of course I still have to have a sportbike :-)  Man this is going to be a
different kind of ride!

I may be selling my 1985 FJ1100.  Not sure.  It will be hard to part with it
after all the work I have in her.  If you know anyone interested, I may let
it go.

Photo
http://www.fj1100.com/85fj1100.jpg

It has just had the valves adjusted, ALL fluids changed (Fork, crank, brake)
and new pads all around.  Brand new Ohlins shock on the rear.  Tires in good
shape.  V&H SS2R Exhausts, 29k miles. VERY CLEAN!!!  Babied by me!

Gary Foreman
fj1100@XXXXXX
http://www.fj1100.com


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Hi Folks.

I have a windshield for sale.  It's a stock Honda shield that I had put on my 
99 Honda Shadow when it was new.  It's untinted.  I only used it a month 
before buying something adjustable.  Now I've sold the bike and it's just 
sitting in my closet.  I've got all the hardware--it's got chrome mountings.  
If anyone is interested contact me off list.  I want $25 for it.  Any takers?

Jeanie  

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1. Is your primary motorcycle:
  a. Sport Bike
  b. Touring Bike
  c. Dual Sport
  d. Dirt Bike
  e. Cruiser
  f. Racing Bike
  g. Standard
  h. Sport Touring Bike

B. 2001 FLHT Electra Glide Standard, oil leaks and all.

2. During the summer months, on average, how often do
you ride?
  a. Every Day, rain or shine
  b. Every day except for bad weather
  c. 3-5 days a week
  d. 1-2 days a week
  e. < 1 day a week

C, borderline B. Depends on how many 'Honey-do" projects I've going on here
at the ranch.

3. How many months a year do you ride?
  a. 12
  b. 9-11
  c. 5-8
  d. < 5

B. Riding's supposed to be fun; hypothermia isn't.

4. What age group are you in? (All responses will be
held strictly confidential)
  a. 55+
  b. 45-54
  c. 35-44
  d. 25-34
  e. <25
  f. Prefer not to answer

E. 24 years old and growing older, not up.

5. How old were you when you first started riding?
  a. 55+
  b. 45-54
  c. 35-44
  d. 25-34
  e. 15-24
  f. <15

F. A 50cc Honda four stroke dirt bike, I think it was called the X50, the
racier version of the Z50.

6. Why did you start riding (best answer only)?
  a. Need for Speed
  b. To emulate a hero (movie star, racer, etc.)
  c. To connect with the world around me
  d. To make driving fun
  e. To join a group
  f. Because family members/friends did
  g. Convenience / Affordability (includes commuting /
parking)
  h. That Certain Je Ne Sais Quois (I don't know what
- for those who don't know French)
  i. Freedom of the Open Road
  j. Needed for Work
  k. Other

F-ish. All my friends did and it looked like fun. It was (is).

7. Do you race motorcycles?
  a. Yes
  b. No

A, but only when chased. ;-)


Howard J. Koontz
2001 Harley Daidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard
1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project



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fj1100@XXXXXX writes:

> So she said I should get a bike with less
> vibration and a backrest for her.  So here's what I got:
> 
  Congrats on your new ride, Gary! But did ya have to get a cruiser?  ;)

  Steve Broadstreet
  Still looking for my new ride...  


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<BR> &nbsp;Congrats on your new ride, Gary! But did ya have to get a cruiser? &nbsp;;)
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I gave her choices (Eddie Lawson Kawasaki, 1200 Bandit, FZ1) but she liked
this one.  She liked the style, passenger peg location.  I still have my
TL1000R so who's complaining :-)

Gary
  -----Original Message-----
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  fj1100@XXXXXX writes:


    So she said I should get a bike with less
    vibration and a backrest for her.  So here's what I got:


   Congrats on your new ride, Gary! But did ya have to get a cruiser?  ;)

   Steve Broadstreet
   Still looking for my new ride...


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I was stopped by a copper on the way to work on Friday morning (near George
Mason Dr.& 50 in Arlington). He told me that the reason he stopped me was
because they had chased a red sportbike in the vicinity the night before and
my bike was the same color. He said the rider also had a white or silver
helmet (I had my silver helmet on).

He told me that "those sorts of bikes" often flee and get away around
Arlington, which suprised me. Not so much because it seemed unlikely given
the roads, traffic and heavy police presence, but because he actually
admitted this to me. If I weren't such a law-abiding citizen (stop that
snickering), I might've gotten "ideas" from this admission.

Anyway, just to alert the possible offending listmember - they're looking
for you, so you'd better paint your bike and buy a new helmet. :^)

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> 

You got that right! Trying to decide on the ZRX-1200 or a ZX/9-12 myself. 
Decisions...decisions...

Steve Broadstreet

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attempting to spend money at Coleman's Powerslime.  Okay, they had
coolant for the POS japcrap Kawasaki, but a brake lever for same and a
face shield for a standerd 3/4 helmet?  Nah, nope.  That was a week or
so ago.  Today I call to acertain they're open and venture there for a
really wierd item - spark plugs.  I have the gas tank off the
aforementioned jap scoot and decide to treat it to new plugs since it is

so *cleverly* designed one must remove the tank to replace plugs!!!  So
I get over to Powerslime - what's this???  Yes, open for bizz except the

parts dept and they won't even consider selling me four plugs.

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I was a customer for 10+ years and 2 people (Bill ,a complete waiste of 
space & some new piece of work, Marty in the service dept.) made me vow to 
NEVER set foot in the Woodbridge store again! Motorcycle Factory on PW 
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Razz
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'89 LTD454
'86 LTD454


>attempting to spend money at Coleman's Powerslime.  Okay, they had
>coolant for the POS japcrap Kawasaki, but a brake lever for same and a
>face shield for a standerd 3/4 helmet?  Nah, nope.  That was a week or
>so ago.  Today I call to acertain they're open and venture there for a
>really wierd item - spark plugs.  I have the gas tank off the
>aforementioned jap scoot and decide to treat it to new plugs since it is
>
>so *cleverly* designed one must remove the tank to replace plugs!!!  So
>I get over to Powerslime - what's this???  Yes, open for bizz except the
>
>parts dept and they won't even consider selling me four plugs.
>
>Well, from now on I'll just give that store a hearty FU.
>
>Bill
>
>
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Sorry to pipe in so late, but I've been at the Hoot...

I just wanted to respond that it's not like this everywhere. I dumped 
at Deal's Gap on Friday and went to Honda of Alcoa (Alcoa TN, on 129 
toward Deal's Gap just south of Knoxville) to order parts to get back 
home (Yes, the parts dept. got everything I needed delivered the next 
day. Incredible!).

Not only did the mechs in the service dept. let me borrow some tools 
to put the new parts on, one (Ed) took the time out from what he was 
doing to bend my rear brake pedal into a position where I could use 
it.

If anyone's ever down that way stop in. They were great. They sell 
Suzuki and Aprilia (maybe other) in addition to Honda.

-john



At 9:57 AM -0500 6/20/01, Matthew Patton wrote:
>Or refuse to let me borrow a socket wrench to remove a wheel so they 
>can work on it. "bring the wheel in your car." WTF is wrong with you 
>people? I rode my bike here. I'll spare your overtasked mechanics a 
>good 1/2 hour of labor and give you just the wheel. But no. "don't 
>want customers wrenching in the parking lot." Oh, spare me the crap 
>already. Or I need to borrow a carb idle tool for 2 shakes to turn 
>the screws. The service mgr was thankfully AWOL so I chatted the 
>mech who threw me the tool without a 2nd thought.
>
>Is it any wonder I do my own damn work? Their attitude is incredible.
>
>Sometimes I think I'd like to join MeLadden in voicing my 
>frustration with bike shop service departments. Heck, I can borrow 
>hundreds of dollars worth of car tools from TrakAuto for a WEEK and 
>they don't even bat an eye.

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I will never shop there (coleman powerslime) or at cycles usa on Georgia
avenue. I was thinking of buying a aprilia pegaso from coleman, i had money
in hand (cash) and just wanted to to talk with the salesman about purchasing
the aprilia, he was just rude and seemed he did not want to help me or any
customers. I just left the store, its funny most sales department of
motorcycle stores are usually kiss assy sorts. But these guys felt they were
above everything, just wanted some questions answered and the guy did not
want to give me the time of day.

My experience with Cycles Usa on Georgia avenue is the worst. I actually
filed a complaint with the better business bureau. I bought a ke100 from
them, and it was my first bike, it was not put together right. It leaked
oil, the emergency kill switch did not work, the chain was not adjusted and
many more things. THey actually wanted to charge for these things from me
even when i had a warrenty on the ke100. When i bougth the bike, i had gone
to the parts department to buy some tie downs to put on my truck to take my
ke100 home, i was waiting for around 30 minutes when i asked the salesguy
where i could find ties in the store, the guy didnt even say anything, just
sat there, i asked him again, and he got up and shook a wad of cash in my
face pretty violently. I thought this guy was gonna kick my ass. These sort
of incidents do not make me go there and buy another motorcycle. I totally
avoid coleman and cycles usa as much as possible. The thing with cycles usa,
is that they are somewhat nice when you buy a motorcycle, but to get it
services or parts you have to put up with metally retarded buffoons.

Perhaps the best store i have been to is Clinton Cycles, im sure they are
told to call the customers by the first name and be nice to customers, but
its great to be treated well in a motorcycle store. I will probably buy my
next bike from them, maybe even a ducati. They have done a great job with my
triumph tiger(even thou i did not buy it from them). Whenever i go there,
they are ALWAYS pretty nice. Even the sales dept, my only beek is that they
order the wrong parts. I ordered a drain plug, and 4 weeks later i got the
wrong one. Jack lilley in the UK(a triumph dealer) sent the right plug in 2
weeks.

Hyser cycles in Laurel is pretty good, not the sales dept but the parts
dept.

Ricardo Pontes



I was a customer for 10+ years and 2 people (Bill ,a complete waiste of
space & some new piece of work, Marty in the service dept.) made me vow to
NEVER set foot in the Woodbridge store again! Motorcycle Factory on PW
parkway will help you and sell you what you need. They even appear to
appriciate your business ;-)

Razz
'99 ZX9R
'89 LTD454
'86 LTD454

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From: "Keith Lamond" <keithl1349@XXXXXX>
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Subject: Honda Hoot: Bike comparison, hoot description, and tale of woe (LONG)
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All,

I feel its my duty to provide a first hand account of the Honda Hoot, and a
comparison of the bikes I demoed during the event. I also want to relay the
tragic death of my bike's engine on 81, going to the hoot.

First, the bike comparisons.  During the Hoot, I got to demo 7 bikes and
spent several days riding on a rented Honda Shadow 750 (see below for why I
needed to rent a bike). Most of the major manufacturers brought a demo fleet
with them, including: Aprilia, Buell, BMW, Ducati, Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki,
Triumph, and Yamaha.

Unfortunately, only one of the big 4 Japanese manufacturers, Kawasaki, was
willing to bring their entire line of sports bikes for demo rides.  Suzuki
brought the faired and unfaired versions of the SV650 and the Bandit 1200.
Yamaha and Honda focused solely on cruisers and touring bikes.  Luckily, the
non-Japanese companies brought a wide assortment of sport bikes to ride.

The ride routes used for demoing varied from each of manufacturers, with
Triumph having the best route, a 45 minute jaunt through twisty roads at
decent speeds.  Kawasaki and Buell provided the most disappointing rides, 25
minutes split between highway driving and two heavily used two lane roads.
I must admit that the demo route used may cloud my comparisons of the bikes
below.

I was lucky enough to demo 7 bikes: A triumph Speed Triple, A Buell M3
Cyclone, A Kawasaki ZRX1200, a Suzuki SV650, a Kawasaki Drifter 800, an
Aprilia Falco, and a Ducati Monster S4.  The bikes are listed in the order I
rode them.

Triumph Speed Triple:
Unfortunately for most of the other bikes I rode, my first demo ride was the
Triumph Speed Triple.  This bike is great.  Wonderful engine with lots of
torque and excellent handling.  The only minus is the torturous thing they
call a seat on the bike.  This would definitely make a fun track bike and an
even more fun back road bike.  If only I could see myself being comfortable
on it for longer than 30 minutes.  Plus my license would be in danger if I
owned this bike.

Buell M3 Cyclone:
Take a Harley sportser engine, tune it so it vibrates at idle even more and
than stick it in a okay handling sportsbike frame, you now have a Buell.  I
was thoroughly unimpressed, and the topic of conversation at many of the
other demo areas was how bad the Buells were.  While I could see having fun
on a Buell, there are so many better bikes out there for way less money.

Kawasaki ZRX1200
The ZRX was the bike I was looking forward to demoing the most.  Everything
I read made me think this was a bike I would be lusting after.
Unfortunately for the ZRX, I had ridden the Triumph Speed Triple first.
Don't get me wrong, the ZRX has really good acceleration, handles fairly
well, and is actually comfortable.  However, it just doesn't make a dent on
the fun meter when compared to the Speed Triple.

Suzuki SV650
Suzuki was nice enough to give us a chance to really test their bikes out on
some nice twisty roads, and I have to say that the SV650 acquitted itself
quite well.  Nice acceleration from the wonderful V-twin engine, good
handling, and a more comfortable seat than the Speed Triple.  While it is
not quite as fast, nor handles as well as the Triumph, its almost as good
for $4,000 less.  I highly suspect that a SV650 will be my next bike!

Kawasaki Drifter 800
I had some time to kill and new that my wife liked the looks of the drifter,
so I decided to try one out.  If you like the looks and want a cruiser, it's
a great bike.  I liked power curve of the 800 engine, and the bike is nicely
balanced and easy to steer.  Definitely a fun little cruiser.

Aprilia Falco
I was actually disappointed by this bike.  The engine is wonderful, but the
bike didn't handle as well as I would have liked.  It is the only bike that
I rode that I felt I could lose control of.  All the other bikes were
immediately accessible.  I felt like I had to fight and conquer the Falco to
ride it properly.

Ducati Monster S4
Hands down, this is the best bike I rode all week.  Now only if I had 20
grand to by the bike, a personal mechanic, and a good lawyer to handle all
the traffic tickets I'd get while riding it.  This bike was extremely
confidence inspiring.  Light weight, and handles like a dream.  This bike
begs to be ridden fast and hard, the reason I'd need a good lawyer if I were
to own one.

Honda Shadow 750
This is the bike I ended up renting because mine broke down on the way to
the Hoot.  I like Honda, but I have to say that this bike lacks personality.
The engine is extremely well behaved and smooth, good handling for a
cruiser, and it looks alright.  However it is a bike that just doesn't move
me.  Riding the drifter especially lowered my opinion of the Shadow, as the
Drifter's engine made it a more fun bike to ride, and its looks definitely
give it some character.

Now on to the Hoot recount:
Tons of people, bikes, and vendors selling Gold Wing accessories.  I thought
the main event area would have more.  Almost all the vendors were cruiser
and touring oriented.  I wanted to find someone selling track suits, and
none of the vendors had anything close.

The group ride I went on was definitely fun, and it was great to meet other
people to ride with and talk about motorcycles with.  I even got to spend
sometime with a thoroughly drenched Matthew Patton and got to hear his story
about conquering the dragon by accident in the pouring rain.  All in all,
the event was fun, the people good, and many good roads near the event.
However, I'm not sure it was enough to drag me back to Tennessee next year.

And last, my tale of woe:
Since my wife is not a proficient, nor licensed rider yet, we left with me
riding my Nighthawk S, and her driving our truck.  We decided to take the
truck just in case.  We set out on Monday taking route 29 to the blue ridge
parkway, and took the Parkway to Roanoke VA.  The trip to Roanoke was fun.
Twisty scenic roads, what more could you ask for.

On the way to finding a hotel for the night, my bike started to overheat and
sounding a little strange.  I new the bike needed a rest, but couldn't stop
until we found a hotel.  Fortunately a hotel was not far away when the bike
started acting up.

The next day I went out to my bike, trying to convince myself that since it
cooled down from the night before, it should be alright.  The bike started
up right away and seemed to be running okay, so we my wife and me headed off
towards the hoot.

Since we wanted to make up some time, we decided to take 81 from Roanoke.
About 20 minutes after leaving the hotel, while on 81 my bike started acting
up.  It then quickly went from acting up to spewing oil all over the road
and dying.   I coasted the bike over to the right shoulder of the road, and
there I discovered a nice sized hole in the crankcase.  The engine had
thrown a rod.

With the help of a state trooper we got the bike loaded onto the back of the
truck.  Unfortunately my wife's leg got burned in the process (she's doing
fine).

Keith
CB700 Nighthawk S (dead engine)
Magna V30 (borrowed from my wife until I get a ride in working order)


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Dave,

I simply don't care nearly enough to sue someone over a five-minute traffic
stop. Is Gimer paying you to say this? ;^)

Chris


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> You should report this to the State's attorney, AMA & his barracks
> commander.  If there were no other reasons to stop you, you were
> illegally detained - ie  seized as defined by the Virginia Supreme
> Court.  VSC has repeatedly held that there must be corroborating
> evidence of a crime having been committed, "hunches are not sufficient",
> nor is an unsubstantiated, anonymous tip.  It sounds like this gentleman
> does not belong in the field of law enforcement, please do us all a
> favor, & hire a lawyer to sue his department.
>
> Please, for all of us.
>
> Dave Yates
> '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
> '97 Cobra #5148
> http://www.radix.net/~sdave/



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Did you donate some bodywork to the tree of shame? ;^)

Chris Weaver


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> I dumped at Deal's Gap on Friday


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I left the horse power shootout and decided to take ride.  I rode out
towards 211 via 647.  I really like the road - especially as it gets closer
to Flint Hill.  Imagine my surprise when I find that the road has been
covered with gravel for the last 5 miles to Flint Hill.

Gigantic pucker factor.

LindaT.
Custom TankBags
Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital)
99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy
95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...)
00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing
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I ordered tires for my BMW from these folks and they arrived in just 4 days.
Cheap, right tires and the date on the tires was 052.  Seems pretty
reasonable.

YMMV

LindaT.
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Oh, yeah, I know the feeling.  A couple times a year I spend a weekend at a
boat race in NC.  One mile of gravel road to get to the pits.  Adding to the
*thrill* is the road is a lane and a half wide, and off to the sides isn't
shoulder but the jungle infested black water of the Great Dismal Swamp.  And
even more thrilling, we're taking boat racers in big-ass trucks who see the
very blind-curvy road as a challange!   Yes indeed, that squeaky sound you may
hear is the ol' anal pucker at work.

Bill

LindaT. wrote:

> I left the horse power shootout and decided to take ride.  I rode out
> towards 211 via 647.  I really like the road - especially as it gets closer
> to Flint Hill.  Imagine my surprise when I find that the road has been
> covered with gravel for the last 5 miles to Flint Hill.
>
> Gigantic pucker factor.
>
> LindaT.
> Custom TankBags
> Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital)
> 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy
> 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...)
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Kudos to your wife for staying with you.  Everytime me'n my bride do the
truck/bike thang, she thinks "beach" and sez SEE YA at the first gas stop for
me.  Two fuel stops and a butt-break later I arrive in time to watch her working
on her second daquiri.

Nice bike reviews.  Good part of the country to have a rally, even the superslab
from Knoxville to Ashville NC is a twisty bugger.

Bill

Keith Lamond wrote:

> All,
>
> I feel its my duty to provide a first hand account of the Honda Hoot, and a
> comparison of the bikes I demoed during the event. I also want to relay the
> tragic death of my bike's engine on 81, going to the hoot.
>
> First, the bike comparisons.  During the Hoot, I got to demo 7 bikes and
> spent several days riding on a rented Honda Shadow 750 (see below for why I
> needed to rent a bike). Most of the major manufacturers brought a demo fleet
> with them, including: Aprilia, Buell, BMW, Ducati, Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki,
> Triumph, and Yamaha.
>
> Unfortunately, only one of the big 4 Japanese manufacturers, Kawasaki, was
> willing to bring their entire line of sports bikes for demo rides.  Suzuki
> brought the faired and unfaired versions of the SV650 and the Bandit 1200.
> Yamaha and Honda focused solely on cruisers and touring bikes.  Luckily, the
> non-Japanese companies brought a wide assortment of sport bikes to ride.
>
> The ride routes used for demoing varied from each of manufacturers, with
> Triumph having the best route, a 45 minute jaunt through twisty roads at
> decent speeds.  Kawasaki and Buell provided the most disappointing rides, 25
> minutes split between highway driving and two heavily used two lane roads.
> I must admit that the demo route used may cloud my comparisons of the bikes
> below.
>
> I was lucky enough to demo 7 bikes: A triumph Speed Triple, A Buell M3
> Cyclone, A Kawasaki ZRX1200, a Suzuki SV650, a Kawasaki Drifter 800, an
> Aprilia Falco, and a Ducati Monster S4.  The bikes are listed in the order I
> rode them.
>
> Triumph Speed Triple:
> Unfortunately for most of the other bikes I rode, my first demo ride was the
> Triumph Speed Triple.  This bike is great.  Wonderful engine with lots of
> torque and excellent handling.  The only minus is the torturous thing they
> call a seat on the bike.  This would definitely make a fun track bike and an
> even more fun back road bike.  If only I could see myself being comfortable
> on it for longer than 30 minutes.  Plus my license would be in danger if I
> owned this bike.
>
> Buell M3 Cyclone:
> Take a Harley sportser engine, tune it so it vibrates at idle even more and
> than stick it in a okay handling sportsbike frame, you now have a Buell.  I
> was thoroughly unimpressed, and the topic of conversation at many of the
> other demo areas was how bad the Buells were.  While I could see having fun
> on a Buell, there are so many better bikes out there for way less money.
>
> Kawasaki ZRX1200
> The ZRX was the bike I was looking forward to demoing the most.  Everything
> I read made me think this was a bike I would be lusting after.
> Unfortunately for the ZRX, I had ridden the Triumph Speed Triple first.
> Don't get me wrong, the ZRX has really good acceleration, handles fairly
> well, and is actually comfortable.  However, it just doesn't make a dent on
> the fun meter when compared to the Speed Triple.
>
> Suzuki SV650
> Suzuki was nice enough to give us a chance to really test their bikes out on
> some nice twisty roads, and I have to say that the SV650 acquitted itself
> quite well.  Nice acceleration from the wonderful V-twin engine, good
> handling, and a more comfortable seat than the Speed Triple.  While it is
> not quite as fast, nor handles as well as the Triumph, its almost as good
> for $4,000 less.  I highly suspect that a SV650 will be my next bike!
>
> Kawasaki Drifter 800
> I had some time to kill and new that my wife liked the looks of the drifter,
> so I decided to try one out.  If you like the looks and want a cruiser, it's
> a great bike.  I liked power curve of the 800 engine, and the bike is nicely
> balanced and easy to steer.  Definitely a fun little cruiser.
>
> Aprilia Falco
> I was actually disappointed by this bike.  The engine is wonderful, but the
> bike didn't handle as well as I would have liked.  It is the only bike that
> I rode that I felt I could lose control of.  All the other bikes were
> immediately accessible.  I felt like I had to fight and conquer the Falco to
> ride it properly.
>
> Ducati Monster S4
> Hands down, this is the best bike I rode all week.  Now only if I had 20
> grand to by the bike, a personal mechanic, and a good lawyer to handle all
> the traffic tickets I'd get while riding it.  This bike was extremely
> confidence inspiring.  Light weight, and handles like a dream.  This bike
> begs to be ridden fast and hard, the reason I'd need a good lawyer if I were
> to own one.
>
> Honda Shadow 750
> This is the bike I ended up renting because mine broke down on the way to
> the Hoot.  I like Honda, but I have to say that this bike lacks personality.
> The engine is extremely well behaved and smooth, good handling for a
> cruiser, and it looks alright.  However it is a bike that just doesn't move
> me.  Riding the drifter especially lowered my opinion of the Shadow, as the
> Drifter's engine made it a more fun bike to ride, and its looks definitely
> give it some character.
>
> Now on to the Hoot recount:
> Tons of people, bikes, and vendors selling Gold Wing accessories.  I thought
> the main event area would have more.  Almost all the vendors were cruiser
> and touring oriented.  I wanted to find someone selling track suits, and
> none of the vendors had anything close.
>
> The group ride I went on was definitely fun, and it was great to meet other
> people to ride with and talk about motorcycles with.  I even got to spend
> sometime with a thoroughly drenched Matthew Patton and got to hear his story
> about conquering the dragon by accident in the pouring rain.  All in all,
> the event was fun, the people good, and many good roads near the event.
> However, I'm not sure it was enough to drag me back to Tennessee next year.
>
> And last, my tale of woe:
> Since my wife is not a proficient, nor licensed rider yet, we left with me
> riding my Nighthawk S, and her driving our truck.  We decided to take the
> truck just in case.  We set out on Monday taking route 29 to the blue ridge
> parkway, and took the Parkway to Roanoke VA.  The trip to Roanoke was fun.
> Twisty scenic roads, what more could you ask for.
>
> On the way to finding a hotel for the night, my bike started to overheat and
> sounding a little strange.  I new the bike needed a rest, but couldn't stop
> until we found a hotel.  Fortunately a hotel was not far away when the bike
> started acting up.
>
> The next day I went out to my bike, trying to convince myself that since it
> cooled down from the night before, it should be alright.  The bike started
> up right away and seemed to be running okay, so we my wife and me headed off
> towards the hoot.
>
> Since we wanted to make up some time, we decided to take 81 from Roanoke.
> About 20 minutes after leaving the hotel, while on 81 my bike started acting
> up.  It then quickly went from acting up to spewing oil all over the road
> and dying.   I coasted the bike over to the right shoulder of the road, and
> there I discovered a nice sized hole in the crankcase.  The engine had
> thrown a rod.
>
> With the help of a state trooper we got the bike loaded onto the back of the
> truck.  Unfortunately my wife's leg got burned in the process (she's doing
> fine).
>
> Keith
> CB700 Nighthawk S (dead engine)
> Magna V30 (borrowed from my wife until I get a ride in working order)


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Here are the tabulated results.  Sorry to those
anxious to see them, I was riding today...

I make no claims that this information has been
tabulated perfectly, but it's close enough for
government work.

I will provide here a simple percentage of results. 
If the dc-dycles administrators would like have
someone do a more official or statistically
interesting tabulation, Laura can contact me and I
will forward all of the responses to that individual.

1. Is your primary motorcycle:
  50% a. Sport Bike
  10% b. Touring Bike
   8% c. Dual Sport
   0% d. Dirt Bike
   4% e. Cruiser
   4% f. Racing Bike
   8% g. Standard
  16% h. Sport Touring Bike

2. During the summer months, on average, how often do
you ride?
  30% a. Every Day, rain or shine
  23% b. Every day except for bad weather
  34% c. 3-5 days a week
  11% d. 1-2 days a week
   2% e. < 1 day a week

3. How many months a year do you ride?
  49% a. 12
  29% b. 9-11
  16% c. 5-8
   5% d. < 5

4. What age group are you in? (All responses will be
held strictly confidential)
   9% a. 55+
  11% b. 45-54
  25% c. 35-44
  38% d. 25-34
  15% e. <25
   2% f. Prefer not to answer

5. How old were you when you first started riding?
   0% a. 55+
   0% b. 45-54
   0% c. 35-44
  37% d. 25-34
  41% e. 15-24
  22% f. <15

6. Why did you start riding (best answer only)?
   6% a. Need for Speed
   0% b. To emulate a hero (movie star, racer, etc.)
  13% c. To connect with the world around me
  21% d. To make driving fun
   0% e. To join a group
  10% f. Because family members/friends did
  33% g. Convenience / Affordability (includes
commuting /
parking)
   8% h. That Certain Je Ne Sais Quois (I don't know
what
- for those who don't know French)
   2% i. Freedom of the Open Road
   2% j. Needed for Work
   6% k. Other 

7. Do you race motorcycles?
  14% a. Yes
  86% b. No


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Damn - that happened in the last two weeks.  I was just out there.

Larry Meyer
Annandale, VA
1997 Bandit 1200

"LindaT." wrote:

> I left the horse power shootout and decided to take ride.  I rode out
> towards 211 via 647.  I really like the road - especially as it gets closer
> to Flint Hill.  Imagine my surprise when I find that the road has been
> covered with gravel for the last 5 miles to Flint Hill.
>
> Gigantic pucker factor.
>
> LindaT.
> Custom TankBags
> Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital)
> 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy
> 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...)
> 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing
> http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner
>
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On Sunday when I got near Skyline on Rt 211 I saw 2 ambulances, 1 fire truck and
a bike being hauled off.  A cop looked like he was taking statements from a
group of sportbikers on the side of the road.  

Was anyone else there or know what happened?

-Tuan
SV 650

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The most important thing I do on gravel is to steer with my feet.  I'm comfortable that way up to about 30mph, even 2-up on the ST1100.

Just put your weight on the peg in the direction you want to turn.  It's amazing how the bike will track over ridges of gravel, listening only to your foot, as it were.

And doing it this way keeps you from getting that sick "front end sliding" feeling when you try to countersteer in gravel.

Chris Norloff

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 22:38:04 -0400

>Oh, yeah, I know the feeling.  A couple times a year I spend a weekend at a
>boat race in NC.  One mile of gravel road to get to the pits.  Adding to the
>*thrill* is the road is a lane and a half wide, and off to the sides isn't
>shoulder but the jungle infested black water of the Great Dismal Swamp.  And
>even more thrilling, we're taking boat racers in big-ass trucks who see the
>very blind-curvy road as a challange!   Yes indeed, that squeaky sound you may
>hear is the ol' anal pucker at work.
>
>Bill
>
>LindaT. wrote:
>
>> I left the horse power shootout and decided to take ride.  I rode out
>> towards 211 via 647.  I really like the road - especially as it gets closer
>> to Flint Hill.  Imagine my surprise when I find that the road has been
>> covered with gravel for the last 5 miles to Flint Hill.
>>
>> Gigantic pucker factor.
>>
>> LindaT.
>> Custom TankBags
>> Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital)
>> 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy
>> 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...)
>> 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing
>> http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner
>>
>> _________________________________________________________
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>> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>

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They actually did your bunghole a favor by not selling you the plugs.  Last
time I bought a set of plugs from them I found blood in my underpants!  It
was the LAST time I'll ever buy parts from them.  Paid close to $50 for four
fucking plugs!!

That said, I walked in there Saturday to see if, on an off chance, they had
a hanging fuel tank for Carb-Synching.  No, of course not!  But they did
seem to have just about every mundane little Item a weekend warrior would
want (tie-downs, cool bandanas, trick grips...etc.), all at a fair markup
for a dealership :-|  'Course, you could get a lot of this stuff from
WalMart at a 1/4 of the price.

For your needs Bill, you need a JC Whitney catalog and a little more
patience.  Since you consider it a POS japcrap Kawasaki, you really don't
need to spend more than twice the money on plugs, and JCW will have your
face shield.

Oh, and if you think your Kawi is so *cleverly* designed, come try to do a
valve check on my SuperHawk.  A very frustrating and disappointing
experience (at least the first time) if you know anything about Honda.

Todd (Springfield, VA)

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attempting to spend money at Coleman's Powerslime.  Okay, they had
coolant for the POS japcrap Kawasaki, but a brake lever for same and a
face shield for a standerd 3/4 helmet?  Nah, nope.  That was a week or
so ago.  Today I call to acertain they're open and venture there for a
really wierd item - spark plugs.  I have the gas tank off the
aforementioned jap scoot and decide to treat it to new plugs since it is

so *cleverly* designed one must remove the tank to replace plugs!!!  So
I get over to Powerslime - what's this???  Yes, open for bizz except the

parts dept and they won't even consider selling me four plugs.

Well, from now on I'll just give that store a hearty FU.

Bill






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I'm looking for specific summer gloves, and can't find them - any help out there? Name-brand and a place to get them would really help.

1. all leather
2. full-fingered (fingers covered)
3. vented
4. short (no gauntlet)
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6. not black - tan preferred.
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Hello,

Again, with some newbie questions. Does anyone know if
a motorcycle can be booted by the cops for tickets?

Second, I am interested in buying a helmet for friends
who occassionally ride two-up. Any suggestions for
something that generally fits most people but is still
quality? 

Indeed, whats the word on open-faced helmets? Are they
less safe? I am thinking of that chin-scrape in a
crash (I do have a windshield, so
particles/bugs/excess wind is moot.)

And, my neighor had her 100cc moped stolen. Its
possible that a brand-new virago on the same street
was stolen -- not to mention the BMW bike that was
stolen last year. This all happened in Adams Morgan.
So be careful!

Thanks!

Ulrich





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Linda:
When were you there?  I went late around 2:30 and had fun watching all the
bikes.  Definite Squid City, but enjoyable.  My F3 pulled 88 ponies with
stock motor and Yosh slip on.  I really enjoyed the winner's bike, an R-1
with a turbocharger, 194 hp!  Too bad about the gravel, that does stink.  
Cedric

I left the horse power shootout and decided to take ride.  I rode out
towards 211 via 647.  I really like the road - especially as it gets closer
to Flint Hill.  Imagine my surprise when I find that the road has been
covered with gravel for the last 5 miles to Flint Hill.

Gigantic pucker factor.

LindaT.
Custom TankBags
Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital)
99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy
95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...)
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Too bad about the bike.  That's quite unusual for a Honda.  Thanks for the
reviews, though.  I've always like those Speed Triples.
Cedric


 The engine had
thrown a rod.

With the help of a state trooper we got the bike loaded onto the back of the
truck.  Unfortunately my wife's leg got burned in the process (she's doing
fine).

Keith
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Magna V30 (borrowed from my wife until I get a ride in working order)

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On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, Todd Peer wrote:

> That said, I walked in there Saturday to see if, on an off chance, they had
> a hanging fuel tank for Carb-Synching.  No, of course not!  But they did
> seem to have just about every mundane little Item a weekend warrior would
> want 

Being in a bind a couple weeks ago (the injector oil I had ordered from 
Street & Comp hadn't come yet), we went to PowerRide in FC. Sometimes you 
just have to not question things... they had oil all right - 2 isles of it as 
a matter of fact.

Not one funnel in the entire shop.

- Roach

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Yes, the open face helmets are less safe, but it's a trade off for more
convenience.  A neighbor who is a dentist did his residency at Cedars-Sinai
trauma center dealing with motorcycle accident facial reconstruction
(besides garden variety gunshot, car crash misplaced electric drill wounds).
Some of his stories convinced me to go with full face helmet (and to floss
more as well).  You might try the HJC or Bieffe helmets, they get decent
reviews in the magazines and are pretty cheap.  They're definitely not
Arai's or Shoei's though.   As long as its Snell and DOT approved, your
trade offs are paint quality, weight and higher noise levels.   I have no
idea about the booting.  Here on 29th St. in Georgetown we have a meter maid
who lives on sight and can wield a ticket book the way Clint Eastwood
handles a Colt Python, but the only booted vehicles I have seen are four
wheelers.
Cedric
1996 CBR600F3
Annandale, VA 


Hello,

Again, with some newbie questions. Does anyone know if
a motorcycle can be booted by the cops for tickets?

Second, I am interested in buying a helmet for friends
who occassionally ride two-up. Any suggestions for
something that generally fits most people but is still
quality? 

Indeed, whats the word on open-faced helmets? Are they
less safe? I am thinking of that chin-scrape in a
crash (I do have a windshield, so
particles/bugs/excess wind is moot.)

And, my neighor had her 100cc moped stolen. Its
possible that a brand-new virago on the same street
was stolen -- not to mention the BMW bike that was
stolen last year. This all happened in Adams Morgan.
So be careful!

Thanks!

Ulrich





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I'll make this one brief.  We got off to a good start last Thursday - on 
the road by 7am.  We being Matt Patton and Jeff ? from Baltimore.  By 8:30 
we made it through 211 and on to Skyline Drive for the long ride south.

The final animal count (all in the road or on the shoulder and alive) for 
Skyline was: 6 Deer, 4 Squirrels, 2 Chipmunks, 1 Bear, 1 Skunk and 1 
Snake.  The bear scared the living crap out of me.  Pretty good sized, ran 
off when we were around 50 feet away.  The count for the BRP : 4 Deer, 4 
Squirrels and a family of Quail that would not get out of the way.  No 
animal strikes though.

We didn't make it to Fancy Gap due to fuel concerns.  We cut off towards 
Stuart and landed a gas station just in time.  We missed a huge hail storm 
by a few minutes.  We did not miss the rain.  It rained pretty much every 
day.  BTW - the BRP does suck around Roanoke.

We made it to the VFR list dinner in Knoxville by 8:30pm - only 1/2 hour 
late.  We had to haul ass down 81/40 to make it by then.  Total 13 hours to 
the dinner, then another 1.5 to Gatlinburg.  Jeff showed just over 600 
miles (coming from Baltimore) so Matt and I had around 520.

Riding around Gatlinburg was great.  Lots of bikes.  441 and 321 were fun - 
especially on the trip out to Deals Gap.  As it turned out, I didn't make 
it all the way down to the Gap.  It was pouring down rain, and I wanted to 
wait for a sunny spot that never materialized.  Matt ran it in the rain and 
I think he wished he hadn't.  Rear tire was old rubber and it wasn't the 
most fun - but I'll let him report on that.

Saturday I hit the hoot.  No demo rides - got there too late, but it was 
fun to see the crowds and talk with the vendors.  Matt would up heading 
back Saturday night around 11pm.  I left Sunday morning and took the scenic 
route (321) back to Greeneville to see relatives.  It was nice in the 
morning, then poured down rain the rest of the trip home - I alternated 
between 11 and 81.  11 is really nice around Roanoke.

I could have done without all of the rain - but it was great meeting some 
of the VFR list members.  Hussey kept us in stitches for most of the 
evening.  Maybe next year the sun will shine, but if it doesn't I can live 
with that too.  Just no more bears!


___________________________________________
     Mike Troutman
          http://www.troutman.org/vfr

          '97 Honda VFR 750
         Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA



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Just a reminder that tomorrow night (Tuesday, June 26th) is Bike Night
at Grevey's in Falls Church (Gallows Rd. and Route 50).  All the details
are on the website http://www.geocities.com/bikenight.  Hope to see you
there!

Chuck

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Gary Foreman wrote:

>  I gave her choices (Eddie Lawson Kawasaki, 1200 Bandit, FZ1) but she
> liked this one.  She liked the style, passenger peg location.  I still
> have my TL1000R so who's complaining :-)Gary

Gary,
           You shoulda' waited, and had her check out the GSX1400.
Mmmmmmmmm

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/detail?sectionID=50677&documentID=66330

Steven C. Di Pietro
Assistant National Director
National Marketing Coordinator
Suzuki Owners Club USA
142 Circle Road
Pasadena Md. 21122-6036
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gave her choices (Eddie Lawson Kawasaki, 1200 Bandit, FZ1) but she liked
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<p><br>Gary,
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; You shoulda'
waited, and had her check out the GSX1400. Mmmmmmmmm
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<br>Pasadena Md. 21122-6036
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I've never seen anything but black gloves, but, yu'd
think there would be other colors out there espceially
since the police were told they can't wear the black
gloves anymore.  When they started that stuff last
summer, I saw a bunch of motormen wearing leather work
gloves.........
--- Chris Norloff <cnorloff@XXXXXX> wrote:
> I'm looking for specific summer gloves, and can't
> find them - any help out there? Name-brand and a
> place to get them would really help.
> 
> 1. all leather
> 2. full-fingered (fingers covered)
> 3. vented
> 4. short (no gauntlet)
> 5. positive retention - preferably a strap across
> the back of the wrist.
> 6. not black - tan preferred.
> 7. Available in size 2XL
> 
> It must be a lot to ask!  Any ideas?
> 
> thanks,
> Chris Norloff
> 
> 
> 


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On my way home from the Hoot, I hit a killer pot hole on my VFR and now have
steering wobble during low speed turns.  I want to get the problem checked
out, but have heard WAY to much bad stuff about Power Sport to ever consider
taking my bike there.

I was thinking about Manassas Honda, anyone know how there service
department is?

-Calvin

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>            You shoulda' waited, and had her check out the GSX1400.
> Mmmmmmmmm

NOw where in the *FY(*&^ is Honda's cb1300? Oh, in Japan. How can Honda be dummer than everybody else? They are giving the big standard market away. What's wrong with their marketing research? Are Suz, Kaw, and Yam all sniffing glue?
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I found the Hoot to be a disappointment - other then the demo rides.  The
majority of the crowd was Gold Wing types, and there were virtually no
vendors targeting other riding audiences.  I'm also SHOCKED that Honda
didn't bring any sport bikes at all for demos!

The "sport bike" ride to the Gap was a little un-spirited, most 50mph - with
an out of control kid on a CBR600 who constantly looked like he was going to
wreck. (He eventually did)  We split off from the main gaggle of riders and
with the extra space really started enjoying the run.  The route was
excellent, and what else could be said about the 'Gap other then it is THE
motorcycle Mecca.

Anyhow a good time was had, but it wasn't quite what I expected.  A friend
who's attended the Ashville events said that this one was much smaller in
the vendor/demo area.

A couple quick words on the bikes I road:

Ducati 748 & 996: in a word - yuck!  Tank shoved (forcefully) in the
stomach, and dry clutch combined to make the most uncomfortable ride at the
show.

Aprilia RSV Mille R:  Awesome bike!  This bike blew the 996 away!  More
comfortable, lot less vibration, same power - but not so twitchy, smooth wet
clutch, and excellent handling.  My recommendation :-)

Aprilia Falco:  Their sport tourer before the Futura came out - it was a
1000cc twin, but seemed a little on the weak side.

Kawasaki ZX9R:  A lot of fun, I never really thought much of the Kaws, but
this was a fun, quick bike - the front end loves to come up.  A special note
to Kawasaki's control riders for the fastest demo ride, we broke 100mph a
couple of occasions.

Buell S3: The biggest disappointment - I was thinking I might want to buy a
Buell, before I rode one!  I actually test rode it twice to be sure and it
definitely sucks!  Terrible instrumentation/controls, ungodly amounts of
vibration at idle, terrible gear box, and uninspired ride.

I'll probably head back next year but won't be paying for as many events.
Hope you guys had fun.

-Calvin
'00VFR800




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She liked the looks of it, but again, like the sport bikes I have, the
passenger pegs are high.  Makes for cramped riding.  Yes, I drooled over
that when I saw it too.  Maybe next year if it comes to the states...  You
can't have too many bikes, right?

Gary
  -----Original Message-----
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  Gary Foreman wrote:

     I gave her choices (Eddie Lawson Kawasaki, 1200 Bandit, FZ1) but she
liked this one.  She liked the style, passenger peg location.  I still have
my TL1000R so who's complaining :-)Gary

  Gary,
             You shoulda' waited, and had her check out the GSX1400.
Mmmmmmmmm

  http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/detail?sectionID=50677&documentID=66330

  Steven C. Di Pietro
  Assistant National Director
  National Marketing Coordinator
  Suzuki Owners Club USA
  142 Circle Road
  Pasadena Md. 21122-6036
  http://www.soc-usa.org





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Subject: My Honda Hoot experience

OK, for my take on the Hoot experience.

The ride down the BRP was fun and entertaining. Good food at very reasonable prices at the hotel at mile point 84 (or so). Doing the entire distance to Knoxville via the BRP and other US highways simply takes too long to do it in 1 day. If I do something like that it will be over 2 days. It sucks to ride tired and in pain.

About that pain. I switched my Triumph Trident's bars to the Speed3's clip-on's. Seems I traded one ergonomic problem for another. The reach is rather farther out than before which mean I have a fair bit more upper body to support than before. Without any real means of resting my right hand, it got to be quite sore. But while scooting down I-81 I discovered that I could help matters if I laid down on my tank bag. Indeed I did just that on my return trip and stopped every 180 or so miles when my tank ran dry.

Another thing I learned the hard way. It's COLD and wet at 3am. Enough so that having my Widder with me would have made life tolerable instead of shivvering uncontrollably under my rain suit.

Riders wearing proper and full safety gear is a huge rarity among participants at these sort of assemblies. I'd have to say a full 60% were harley/goldwing/cruiser riders with the stereotypical attire. And what's with Honda and Yam bringing only their cruisers for people to ride? sheesh.

The VFR list is an interesting collage of folks. Dinner was spiced with many a story of bizare and twisted examples of humor and on-line behavior.

I wasn't intending to run Deal's Gap run backwards (from the North) in the deluge of pouring rain. I was supposed to take 129 N instead and head back to the hoot to meet with somebody. But I was riding with another who was headed south and I didn't realize that when we made that left we were south bound. After the first 1/2 dozen turns I knawing feeling grew that "uh, oh. this is the Gap, isn't it." Left, right, left, right, fighting the triple's torque spinning up the rock hard tire as it slid around on the knife edge of the unwelcome flat-spot transition. Left, right, left, right, the brakes needing a long healthy squeeze to do anything useful with all the water. Left, right, left, right running up the tail pipe of the HD cruisers stalling in the middle of the turns with 2 young kids on the back. Left, right, left, right, will the damn rain ever back off? Or the road quit turning? Waved a BMW rig 2-up by on a short straight so he could go good sight faster than I was. Finally, a 55mph sign. Maybe it's over. NOOOOO!!, screetch as the binders come on in earnest for a last few turns and there it is: Crossroads of Time with a good 70 bikers trying to stay out of the still pouring rain.

I declined the opportunity to purchase a memento T-shirt. Soaked to the skin I wasn't feeling too great about the experience. And I was definately angry at myself for not changing out the rear tire before I left home with one 5 years newer. Forget the gobs of tread. In dry it was fine, it wet the bugger was sheer murder.

As I was to find out again 1/2 an hour later as we headed further south on 129. Easy 60 mph deep sweeper on wet but drying roads, surface slightly grooved when all of a sudden the rear slid out and then caught, spitting me out of the saddle. Thankfully it wasn't big enough to throw me off the bike.

That was Friday.

saturday morning I didn't get to the test ride area till 8:25 a good 30+ minutes after the gates released the waiting hordes into the area to sign up for rides. I walked up to the Triumph booth. booked a speed3 at 11am. went to Ducati, got on their waiting list for whatever was free, went to Aprilia and got a noon ticket on a Futura. Went to Suzuki and got refused a ride because I didn't have 2 years of riding experience. And being an MSF instructor nor that I've ridden 27,100 miles in my 1st year of riding apparently doesn't count worth a brass farthing. Oh well, I've ridden an SV650 before so no big loss.

Went next door to Kawi and had the last ZRX1200 ride taken right out from under my nose.  With daylight and good weather good till at least 3 or 4pm before thunderstorms roll in, I have to wonder why everybody cut off their programs at 1pm. NUTS!

Just for the heck of it, strolled on over to Buell and was handed a slot on the next round some 10 minutes hence. Rode the X1 Lighting. IMO there is but 1 way to ride a Buell (if you even ride one to begin with which in itself is a highly debatable supposition) and that's in 2nd/3rd gear at 3500RPM and up. Turning 4k+ RPM at 60mph the bike was actually fine. Plenty responsive and the damnable shake was not there. Why on earth Buell thinks anyone will buy any of their bikes as configured is beyond me. Do people honestly ride the damn things in the sub 3k RPM rev range? What's so feaking hard about a balance shaft?

The Triumph ride was 45min or so and they were running behind schedule. So I gave up my speed3 ride lest I miss out on the Aprilia Futura. Hope the lucky bugger enjoyed the last minute assignment.

All of my bikes are inline 2, 3, or 4's. Not one has a cylinder between my knees so the concept of the boiling heat coming up my legs is something I'm not at all receptive to. The Futura ride was very nice except for that one factor. Impressive power, very smooth throttle transitions and one of the most aggressive routes for demonstration purposes. But at 90mph on the highway there was a surprising amount of buffet and noice.

Contrast that with my 1pm Ducati ST2 experience. Throttle tip-in/roll-off was rather more abrupt. But they did everything else right. The heat off the 2nd cyclinder wasn't as much, the handling was nimble as anything, no noise or buffet at speed, and the motor is the sexiest thing I've ever experienced. Down on power in absolute terms to the Aprilia doesn't really matter. It's just too damn good sounding and rev happy. They have definately perfected the 'package'. Talk about lust - it is Ducati.

My Triumph belongs more in the lumbering brute category. It bellows loudly up to redline and pulls like stink off 6k but it's way too heavy and the handling is slow when compared to the dicing, surgical precision of newer Italian craft.


Ok, what else? My water bladder backpack got comments far and wide. I guess people were envious of my ready access to refreshment. All it takes is a visit to a bicycle store. And don't put lemonade (with pulp) into it.

The dealer area was ok. spent money on a couple of bike magazine subscriptions and on some beef Jerky. And some toys for my kids (the moto-puzzle). And took a very long and detailed look at a maintenance stand that can hoist and support practically any bike be it by the wheels, engine cases or other frame supports. Considering how many hours I have spent in the garage bent over this or that, being able to work upright would be a HUGE positive factor. Am very strongly considering a puchase.

Watched a motorcycle skills demo by (????) doing tricks with a shiny new, yellow goldwing. I dare say though that use of the friction zone might have helped his performance a bit. Instead he was having to deal with the choppy nature of on/off-throttle transitions of the FI system. Heard a new phrase which is applied when you dump a GW: "stop and flop" Got a big laugh from the crowd, that one did.

Saw probably seven 90's cb750 and at least another dozen of the older ones. Unfortunately I didn't meet up with any cb750 listers aside from Keith Lamond despite repeated efforts with Mark to meet. Oh well, maybe next time I can do better.

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 only by whether physical coercion or violence against persons or
 property occurs.  There is no right not to be offended by words,
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We win @ Savannah!  Read all about it at:

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The bike listed below belongs to one of my roommates.
He used it as a beginner bike, and he's recently
upgraded to a Magna 750. Our house is located in
Arlington. Please respond to him at the email below if
you have questions or would like to see the bike.

Chris Weaver


--- "Muh, Charlie" <charlie.muh@XXXXXX> wrote:
> '86 500VT Shadow
> ~24K miles.  
> New Tires and battery.  Good starter bike.
> $1500 obo
> Work Tel:  202-223-8808
> Home Tel:  703-527-5535
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I wish! The bodywork is scraped up but not destroyed. If I replace 
it, I may ship it down to be added but it's not damaged enough to 
really be worthy of the tree of shame. And I wasn't even injured 
enough to go on the wall of pain...

The damage was: front brake level broken, right rear set broken in 
two, right mirror just exploded, right bar weight broke off taking a 
bunch of the clip on insides with it, and scraped up and bent pipe. 
Nothing too serious. I did ride it back.

-john


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How about getting the front wheel in the air and giving it a spin and a good
eyeball. If anything is bent, it should be fairly obvious.

Bruce


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ledford, Calvin" <cledford@XXXXXX>


> On my way home from the Hoot, I hit a killer pot hole on my VFR and now
have
> steering wobble during low speed turns.  I want to get the problem checked
> out, but have heard WAY to much bad stuff about Power Sport to ever
consider
> taking my bike there.
>
> I was thinking about Manassas Honda, anyone know how there service
> department is?


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I'm having a difficult time settling a collision claim with Progressive and
thought I'd see if anyone one on the list has had a similar problem and what
can be done about it.  Last October, I low sided (left side) and Progressive
totaled the bike.  Anyone who has damaged their VFR knows the cost to
replace the plastic is often higher than the book value of the bike.  Well,
I bought the bike back for the book value less salvage value.  Standard
procedure, no problems.  I did all the work myself in putting the bike back
into like-new condition.  Since I shopped extensively for the lowest prices
on parts and did the labor myself, I managed to pocket a substantial amount
of the settlement.  If I had taken my bike to a dealer for repair, it would
certainly have cost me the entire settlement amount.  This month I had
another minor get off and busted up the plastic on the right side this time.
Now Progressive wants documentation (receipts, invoices, etc) to prove that
the bike was properly repaired from the last claim before they'll settle on
the current claim.  I've collected receipts from vendors and have provided
as many receipts as I could obtain, but they want proof I spent as much to
repair the bike as I was paid in the settlement.  Progressive has the damage
report from the October accident with pictures.  They took pictures again
for the current claim and therefore have visual evidence that all the left
side damage was repaired.  In spite of the photo evidence of repair, they
are still not satisfied and want to reduce my current settlement by some
amount based on what I didn't spend for the October repairs.  Can they
legally do this or are they just trying to intimidate me to save themselves
$$$?

Steve
Warrenton, VA
' 95 VFR

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At 01:38 PM 6/25/01, Meredith, Steve (Contr) wrote:
>Can they
>legally do this or are they just trying to intimidate me to save themselves
>$$$?

That sounds like total BS to me.  There is no requirement that you spend 
all of the settlement money on the bike.  I can see them asking for proof 
of repairs - but since it was the other side of the bike - they are off 
their rocker.



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     Mike Troutman
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          '97 Honda VFR 750
         Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA



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I have a stainless high right Staintune muffler for sale. I replaced it with
a low mount D&D for use with soft saddlebags.

It was on my '98 VFR800 for ~15k miles and needs a good polish. It also has
some little spots of road tar cooked on. I've cleaned it with soap and water
but it could still use some elbow grease.

It's complete with spud, bracket and all bolts needed. No instructions were
included when I purchased it new from HOM.

I'd like to get $200 for it, that will include UPS shipping. You could
send me a check or Money Order.

Please reply to bnorton@XXXXXX

Bruce Norton



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I'm not an insurance "expert", but I think we may have someone on the
list who is.  FWIW, this sounds totally bogus to me.  It shouldn't
matter how much you spent to repair the bike previously.  What matter is
how much it will cost to repair the new damage based on how the
insurance company normally makes such a calculation.  Whether or not you
saved yourself some $$$ on your previous decision to do repair work
yourself shouldn't matter a bit.  The only things I can think of are:

1.  Your insurance company is somehow trying to claim that your
particular VFR is not the same value as any other VFR and therefore
should cost less to repair.  Again, this sounds bogus to me.

2.  What kind of title do you have on the bike?  A regular, clean
title?  Or a salvage title?  If it's a salvage title, this may have some
bearing on how much the insurance company is willing to pay.  But
someone in the insurance biz can better answer this.

Chuck

"Meredith, Steve (Contr)" wrote <SNIP>:
> 
> amount based on what I didn't spend for the October repairs.  Can they
> legally do this or are they just trying to intimidate me to save themselves
> $$$?

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Sold in 30 seconds!

I love the VFR list!

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> I have a stainless high right Staintune muffler for sale. I replaced it
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> a low mount D&D for use with soft saddlebags.






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On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, Meredith, Steve (Contr) wrote:
> I've collected receipts
> from vendors and have provided as many receipts as I could obtain, but they
> want proof I spent as much to repair the bike as I was paid in the
> settlement.  Progressive has the damage report from the October accident
> with pictures.  They took pictures again for the current claim and
> therefore have visual evidence that all the left side damage was repaired. 
> In spite of the photo evidence of repair, they are still not satisfied and
> want to reduce my current settlement by some amount based on what I didn't
> spend for the October repairs.  Can they legally do this or are they just
> trying to intimidate me to save themselves $$$?

While you're actually not supposed to make money off vehicle insurance, the 
damage from October should be a moot point. They chose to buy the bike from 
you (totalled it) instead of paying out a repair claim, resold the vehicle 
(back to you, but this is another moot point - see below), then re-insured 
it. If they didn't require you to provide pictures at the time they insured 
the vehicle... then they shouldn't require them now - they insured the 
vehicle "as is" on that day.  If they had sold it to someone other than you, 
would they be pulling the same scam? I think not. I'd bring up this point to 
them.

- Roach


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Well It had to happen to me.
Yesterday evening got home at around 6:30pm and I parked my van=20
next to my bike and everything was fine. This morning got ready for work =

around 8 am and well, no bike next to the van. It had a front disk lock =
and=20
in the rear it had a Kryptonite cable. I couldn't believe it.=20
There are two more expensive bikes in the same apartment complex.
I guess they wanted a 97 green TLS.=20
Bike Description:
97 Green TLS. MICRON slip on. Hump in the back no rear seat.
MICHELIN Race Pilot tires. VIN # JS1VT51A6V2100207
It was stolen from the VIENNA/MERRIFIELD area.

--Altaan Choudhry
NO BIKE

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Steve,
Technically what you did by not spending the entire amount on the repair is
"Insurance Fraud". Be careful how you proceed with this, they may be asking
you to prove the old repair to catch you instead of simply giving you a
reduced payoff for the new damage.
Just my $0.02

Pete Wimer


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I'm having a difficult time settling a collision claim with Progressive and
thought I'd see if anyone one on the list has had a similar problem and what
can be done about it.  Last October, I low sided (left side) and Progressive
totaled the bike.  Anyone who has damaged their VFR knows the cost to
replace the plastic is often higher than the book value of the bike.  Well,
I bought the bike back for the book value less salvage value.  Standard
procedure, no problems.  I did all the work myself in putting the bike back
into like-new condition.  Since I shopped extensively for the lowest prices
on parts and did the labor myself, I managed to pocket a substantial amount
of the settlement.  If I had taken my bike to a dealer for repair, it would
certainly have cost me the entire settlement amount.  This month I had
another minor get off and busted up the plastic on the right side this time.
Now Progressive wants documentation (receipts, invoices, etc) to prove that
the bike was properly repaired from the last claim before they'll settle on
the current claim.  I've collected receipts from vendors and have provided
as many receipts as I could obtain, but they want proof I spent as much to
repair the bike as I was paid in the settlement.  Progressive has the damage
report from the October accident with pictures.  They took pictures again
for the current claim and therefore have visual evidence that all the left
side damage was repaired.  In spite of the photo evidence of repair, they
are still not satisfied and want to reduce my current settlement by some
amount based on what I didn't spend for the October repairs.  Can they
legally do this or are they just trying to intimidate me to save themselves
$$$?

Steve
Warrenton, VA
' 95 VFR

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Since the bike had a salvage title, didn't that mean the DMV had to inspect
it to get it re-registered? And don't they do a rather thorough inspection
when a vehicle has a salvage title? If you got it registered, it must have
been repaired at least to be roadworthy.

The insurance you pay is to return the vehicle to the condition it was
before the incident. If they don't know what that condition was, shame on
them. If you sold that bike to someone else after you fixed it, and they had
your accident, would insurance company be able to ask for all the repair
receipts then? I think not.

Are any of the parts involved in htis claim the same as last claim? They
must still have a detailed list of the items. If none are the same, it
shouldn't matter.

If you managed to do the work yourself, and bought used parts, its none of
their business. Now if you were trying to get the same parts replaced, I
could understand if they said they would only pay the cost of used parts,
because that is the condition you started with.

This case is even different from a case where they pay for damage, and you
decide to fix that damage yourself. In htis case, they bought the bike from
you, and you bought it back. The money they paid you for the claim wasn't to
fix the damage, it was to replacve the bike. You then bought the bike and
fixed it. There is no direct relationship between the money they paid you
and the damage you repaired, as there would be if they were paying a claim
for a repair.

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This just sucks.  Isn't this the second m/c reported stolen today???  If
it's recovered, I hope it's in one piece.  If not, I wish nothing but
ill-will on the scum that took it.

Chuck

> Altaan Choudhry wrote:
> 
> Well It had to happen to me.
> Yesterday evening got home at around 6:30pm and I parked my van
> next to my bike and everything was fine. This morning got ready for
> work
> around 8 am and well, no bike next to the van. It had a front disk
> lock and
> in the rear it had a Kryptonite cable. I couldn't believe it.
> There are two more expensive bikes in the same apartment complex.
> I guess they wanted a 97 green TLS.
> Bike Description:
> 97 Green TLS. MICRON slip on. Hump in the back no rear seat.
> MICHELIN Race Pilot tires. VIN # JS1VT51A6V2100207
> It was stolen from the VIENNA/MERRIFIELD area.
> 
> --Altaan Choudhry
> NO BIKE

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At 03:21 PM 6/25/01, Wimer, Peter wrote:
>Technically what you did by not spending the entire amount on the repair is
>"Insurance Fraud". Be careful how you proceed with this, they may be asking
>you to prove the old repair to catch you instead of simply giving you a
>reduced payoff for the new damage.

How can you call it Insurance Fraud?  If someone hits my car, and I collect 
insurance on it, I don't have to use the money to repair the car.  The 
money is to replace the value lost in the accident.


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How is buying the m/c back from the insurance company (at a price they
apparently agreed to) and then being able to fix it up yourself for less
than what the insurance company estimated it would cost "insurance
fraud"???  Especially since the new claim has nothing to do with what
was repaired on the old one???

"Wimer, Peter" wrote:
> 
> Steve,
> Technically what you did by not spending the entire amount on the repair is
> "Insurance Fraud". Be careful how you proceed with this, they may be asking
> you to prove the old repair to catch you instead of simply giving you a
> reduced payoff for the new damage.

-- 
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I don't understand it myself fully, it was a warning I got from a friend who
works for Allstate in NY. I totaled an old cage I had and bought it back and
fixed it up. I had to be fairly careful how I did it and document
everything.

Pete Wimer
peter.wimer@XXXXXX


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 3:35 PM
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Cc: Wimer, Peter
Subject: Re: Insurance Problems


How is buying the m/c back from the insurance company (at a price they
apparently agreed to) and then being able to fix it up yourself for less
than what the insurance company estimated it would cost "insurance
fraud"???  Especially since the new claim has nothing to do with what
was repaired on the old one???

"Wimer, Peter" wrote:
> 
> Steve,
> Technically what you did by not spending the entire amount on the repair
is
> "Insurance Fraud". Be careful how you proceed with this, they may be
asking
> you to prove the old repair to catch you instead of simply giving you a
> reduced payoff for the new damage.

-- 
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In a message dated 6/25/2001 10:11:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
bernescut@XXXXXX writes:

> an R-1 with a turbocharger, 194 hp! 


194 hp. on gravel?... A turbocharger on gravel?? Just the thought of it has 
my anal sphincter up behind my belly button.


John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC

Honda ST1100X Pan European
    (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.)
BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles
Honda 1976 CR250M  Motowhat racer

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I'm not so sure its insurance fraud. You cannot put a dollar value on the 
time that Steve himself spent on the bike in labor costs that he would have 
paid to a shop had it gotten fixed there. There is nothing that specifies 
that the work must be done my a motorcycle shop- and if there is then the 
check from the insurance company usually goes to the shop. I know lots of 
people that do their own repair work and get a little extra money from the 
insurance settlement- but if you can not put a value on the time and effort 
they took to do it themselves you can't really claim that they made money 
out of the deal. I'm sure he didn't make gobs of money in this transaction 
and actually probably spent a lot of valuable time getting the parts and 
fixing the bike himself.  Fraud would be if he had not spent any of the 
money on repairing the bike at all.

At 03:21 PM 6/25/01 -0400, Wimer, Peter wrote:
>Steve,
>Technically what you did by not spending the entire amount on the repair is
>"Insurance Fraud". Be careful how you proceed with this, they may be asking
>you to prove the old repair to catch you instead of simply giving you a
>reduced payoff for the new damage.
>Just my $0.02
>
>Pete Wimer



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bears do spook easy - thank goodness.  While camping alone in the Carolina
swamps I got up in the wee hours of the morning to offload several beers on a
pine tree.  About the time I had willie aimmed I hear a snort -- YIKES!  A
black bear less than five yards away!!!  Major *shrinkage*, but the bear also
went YIKES and hauled butt into the woods.

Bill

Troutman wrote:

> I'll make this one brief.  We got off to a good start last Thursday - on
> the road by 7am.  We being Matt Patton and Jeff ? from Baltimore.  By 8:30
> we made it through 211 and on to Skyline Drive for the long ride south.
>
> The final animal count (all in the road or on the shoulder and alive) for
> Skyline was: 6 Deer, 4 Squirrels, 2 Chipmunks, 1 Bear, 1 Skunk and 1
> Snake.  The bear scared the living crap out of me.  Pretty good sized, ran
> off when we were around 50 feet away.  The count for the BRP : 4 Deer, 4
> Squirrels and a family of Quail that would not get out of the way.  No
> animal strikes though.
>
> We didn't make it to Fancy Gap due to fuel concerns.  We cut off towards
> Stuart and landed a gas station just in time.  We missed a huge hail storm
> by a few minutes.  We did not miss the rain.  It rained pretty much every
> day.  BTW - the BRP does suck around Roanoke.
>
> We made it to the VFR list dinner in Knoxville by 8:30pm - only 1/2 hour
> late.  We had to haul ass down 81/40 to make it by then.  Total 13 hours to
> the dinner, then another 1.5 to Gatlinburg.  Jeff showed just over 600
> miles (coming from Baltimore) so Matt and I had around 520.
>
> Riding around Gatlinburg was great.  Lots of bikes.  441 and 321 were fun -
> especially on the trip out to Deals Gap.  As it turned out, I didn't make
> it all the way down to the Gap.  It was pouring down rain, and I wanted to
> wait for a sunny spot that never materialized.  Matt ran it in the rain and
> I think he wished he hadn't.  Rear tire was old rubber and it wasn't the
> most fun - but I'll let him report on that.
>
> Saturday I hit the hoot.  No demo rides - got there too late, but it was
> fun to see the crowds and talk with the vendors.  Matt would up heading
> back Saturday night around 11pm.  I left Sunday morning and took the scenic
> route (321) back to Greeneville to see relatives.  It was nice in the
> morning, then poured down rain the rest of the trip home - I alternated
> between 11 and 81.  11 is really nice around Roanoke.
>
> I could have done without all of the rain - but it was great meeting some
> of the VFR list members.  Hussey kept us in stitches for most of the
> evening.  Maybe next year the sun will shine, but if it doesn't I can live
> with that too.  Just no more bears!
>
> ___________________________________________
>      Mike Troutman
>           http://www.troutman.org/vfr
>
>           '97 Honda VFR 750
>          Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA


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This is what I was told when I had to repair my bike last summer.  By doing
the work your self, and or searching for cheaper parts, you are reducing the
cost to the insurance company.  If a body shop did X amount of work, but
decided it should really cost 2X and charges thusly, they are defrauding the
insurance company.

The insurance company is paying to bring the vehicle back to its original
value.  A vehicle worth 10k is in accident, with 2k in damage, they pay out
2k to have car brought back to 10k value.  If the 2k is pocketed, the car is
now worth 8k.  The same car is in another accident, with 1k worth of damage.
The ins. company is now trying to reassemble car back to 10k of value,
because that is what they paid for.

Sure you doing the work yourself means it get fixed quicker, and probably
better, but the ins. company paid for a "shop" to fix it.  It sucks, and
gets even more complicated if the vehicle has a lien on it.  Be VERY careful
of what you tell the insurance people.  As far as they should know, the bike
was fixed last time, and now it needs fixed again.  If you have already
volunteered that you fixed it for less, play dumb, say you paid a friend to
do the work.  

Good Luck and let us know the out come, I think most prisons have internet
these days!!!!!

David "Lost Dawg" Gaske
'00 Sprint RS (yellow)
Fredericksburg, Va.  USA



-----Original Message-----
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I don't understand it myself fully, it was a warning I got from a friend who
works for Allstate in NY. I totaled an old cage I had and bought it back and
fixed it up. I had to be fairly careful how I did it and document
everything.

Pete Wimer
peter.wimer@XXXXXX


-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX]
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 3:35 PM
To: DC Cycles
Cc: Wimer, Peter
Subject: Re: Insurance Problems


How is buying the m/c back from the insurance company (at a price they
apparently agreed to) and then being able to fix it up yourself for less
than what the insurance company estimated it would cost "insurance
fraud"???  Especially since the new claim has nothing to do with what
was repaired on the old one???

"Wimer, Peter" wrote:
> 
> Steve,
> Technically what you did by not spending the entire amount on the repair
is
> "Insurance Fraud". Be careful how you proceed with this, they may be
asking
> you to prove the old repair to catch you instead of simply giving you a
> reduced payoff for the new damage.

-- 
"Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai
visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas

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In a message dated 6/25/2001 1:59:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
SMeredith@XXXXXX writes:

> I've collected receipts from vendors and have provided
>  as many receipts as I could obtain, but they want proof I spent as much to
>  repair the bike as I was paid in the settlement.

Do not forget to "Pay" yourself labor (At the local shop flat rate, that is 
what a shop would do.) If you work as a mechanic you are a mechanic, and 
entitled to be paid. If you do that they should wind up OWING you money.


John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC

Honda ST1100X Pan European
    (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.)
BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles
Honda 1976 CR250M  Motowhat racer

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Agreed - WHAT insurance fraud?   When my darling dauhghter "totaled" her car I
bought it back from the insurance company.  The important stuff was straight,
just sheet metal damage.  Used parts and an expensive paint job didn't eat up
all the cash, and there was no DMV inspection for a "salvage title".  The way it
works is insuraance dude sez totalled, $100 deductable, you get $1,400.  I sez
what's the salvage value?  $300. Okay, I'm keeping the car, gimme $1,100.  The
title never actually changes hands.

Bill

Lori Wilson wrote:

> I'm not so sure its insurance fraud. You cannot put a dollar value on the
> time that Steve himself spent on the bike in labor costs that he would have
> paid to a shop had it gotten fixed there. There is nothing that specifies
> that the work must be done my a motorcycle shop- and if there is then the
> check from the insurance company usually goes to the shop. I know lots of
> people that do their own repair work and get a little extra money from the
> insurance settlement- but if you can not put a value on the time and effort
> they took to do it themselves you can't really claim that they made money
> out of the deal. I'm sure he didn't make gobs of money in this transaction
> and actually probably spent a lot of valuable time getting the parts and
> fixing the bike himself.  Fraud would be if he had not spent any of the
> money on repairing the bike at all.
>
> At 03:21 PM 6/25/01 -0400, Wimer, Peter wrote:
> >Steve,
> >Technically what you did by not spending the entire amount on the repair is
> >"Insurance Fraud". Be careful how you proceed with this, they may be asking
> >you to prove the old repair to catch you instead of simply giving you a
> >reduced payoff for the new damage.
> >Just my $0.02
> >
> >Pete Wimer


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In a message dated 6/25/2001 4:05:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
bhuson@XXXXXX writes:

> bears do spook easy - thank goodness.  

Um... _Black bears_ Grizzlies do not scare so easy.


>YIKES!  A  black bear less than five yards away!!! 

Well you have not lived until a bear (black) spends about 3 years (OK it just 
seemed that way.) rooting around in a trash can not 6 feet from the no damn 
window _side_ of your tent!  Nylon is THIN!




John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC

Honda ST1100X Pan European
    (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.)
BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles
Honda 1976 CR250M  Motowhat racer

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You might try one of the flip front lids, most of both the safety and 
convinence.

John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC

Honda ST1100X Pan European
    (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.)
BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles
Honda 1976 CR250M  Motowhat racer

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Chuck's right.  It's not fraud.  They're covering the loss of your property
by writing you a check for the bike and taking possession of it instead of
having it repaired.  What you do with the check is your business.  He then
bought the bike back and spend his own money (not the insurance company's)
to repair his bike.  If a different party had purchased the bike and
repaired it we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

It's seems that the real argument is over the bike's value prior to the
second crash and they're trying to slime their way into a smaller settlement
by suggesting the repair was subpar.  The business about not spending
the whole settlement is a red herring.

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F
http://users.erols.com/pawilson
----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Pena <cvkgpena@XXXXXX>

> How is buying the m/c back from the insurance company (at a price they
> apparently agreed to) and then being able to fix it up yourself for less
> than what the insurance company estimated it would cost "insurance
> fraud"???  Especially since the new claim has nothing to do with what
> was repaired on the old one???
>
> "Wimer, Peter" wrote:
> >
> > Steve,
> > Technically what you did by not spending the entire amount on the repair
is
> > "Insurance Fraud".



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Hey guys, just a little spam here. If you ever have any damaged body 
work, and I mean DAMAGED, give Mark Van Hoff, aka The Plastic Dr. a 
call. His reputation is mainly with racers, but he does street body 
work too. I've seen some of the bodywork he's repaired and he is 
GOOD. $50 for each piece of body work and it comes primered and ready 
to paint. I've seen bodywork that was crashed, repaired, and crashed 
again....the bodywork didn't break on the old repair either! I'm 
planning on sending some of my bodywork to him, so I'll post before 
and after pics when it's done.

Find more info at

http://theplasticdr.homestead.com/



-- 
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the 
skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html


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for a friend. I would ask Dale directly but don't have his email. BTW, can somebody crunch the subscriber database and dump it on the website (with matching names) so questions like this don't have to get spammed to the entire readership?

That or everyone please fill out your bios! and to Laura, put an email field in the bios section please.
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At 11:27 AM 6/25/01, Ledford, Calvin wrote:
>Ducati 748 & 996: in a word - yuck!  Tank shoved (forcefully) in the
>stomach, and dry clutch combined to make the most uncomfortable ride at the
>show.

Calvin and other who post bike reviews,

Thanks for the information, but so many of of the opinions expressed 
concerning fit and comfort  are very subjective, and depend a lot on your 
own geometry. It would be a big help to those of us who don't know everyone 
personally if you'd include information like your own height and weight, to 
help us interpret your comments for our own bodies.

Thanks -- Larry
'01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco
'84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike)
'01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small 
emergency backup bike)





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On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, you wrote:

> Technically what you did by not spending the entire amount on the repair is
> "Insurance Fraud". Be careful how you proceed with this, they may be asking
> you to prove the old repair to catch you instead of simply giving you a
> reduced payoff for the new damage.
> Just my $0.02

There was no insurance payout for damage, therefore there was no fraud. The 
insurance company purchased the bike, then resold it at a salvage price 
taking a loss. They *chose not to repair the vehicle* because it would have 
cost them more for a shop to do the repairs with OEM replacement parts (which 
are required to bring the vehicle back to original condition) than their 
resal loss. No payout for damage ever occured. If they had not sold it back 
to Steve, they would have sold it to someone else for the same price.

Fraud is when you go to a shop, and your friend Bob who works there says 
"tell them it's this much" then hands you a few $20's once he's done 
overcharging them for the repair. 

- Roach

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It happened Tuesday or Wednesday, last week.  I was on it wednesday when
they were just finishing up.  I was making a move to pass a SUV when i
hit it.  Images of flying body parts went through my mind but luckily I
slowed it down safely.

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"Does anyone know if
a motorcycle can be booted by the cops for tickets?"
>>I'd be somewhat surprised if it fit/stayed.  My guess is that it either
wouldn't close or would latch but would slide right off.  I think having been
designed for 4 wheelers which generally a) have the axle on only 1 side so
they've shortened one of the 2 boot arms where cycles have axle ends on both
sides (VFRs and ducatis excluded) b) have much wider wheels/tires.  


"Second, I am interested in buying a helmet for friends
who occassionally ride two-up. Any suggestions for
something that generally fits most people but is still
quality?"
>>for something that will only be used occasionally for probly shorter periods. 
comfort/looks are much less important.  anything w/ a snell & DOT rating is
good.  the more expensive arais and shoeis charge a premium for lighter
weight/comfort/looks.  a medium will probly fit most people.  maybe a little
uncomfortable or not fit those w/ big heads but be especially careful for those
w/ v. small heads.  a helmet that's too big (can be taken off by rolling front
w/ strap cinched) is little better than no helmet.
Try helmetshop.com for great prices.

Indeed, whats the word on open-faced helmets? Are they
less safe? I am thinking of that chin-scrape in a
crash (I do have a windshield, so
particles/bugs/excess wind is moot.)
>>Open faced are definitely less safe.  IIRC the infamous Hurt study found
damage to the chinbar area of ~75% of full face helmets that had been in an
accident.  You may consider one of the newer flip-up models by Nolan or Shoei as
an alternative.

Keep the shiny side up!

R

'00 ZX-9R  Voodoo
'96 VFR

PS to all of contributing to the recent gripe fest about coleman/powerride. 
It's not like you weren't warned a thousand times!  but I'll still give you a
small thanks for reinforcing my opinion of them and sharing those thoughts w/ as
many people as possible.  Those dirty scumbags can kiss my lilly white...oops
sorry we'll just cut that rant short it pops out whenever that name comes up.

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> Altaan Choudhry wrote:
>no bike next to the van.
From: Chuck Pena <cvkgpena@XXXXXX>
This just sucks.  Isn't this the second m/c reported stolen today???  If
it's recovered, I hope it's in one piece.  If not, I wish nothing but
ill-will on the scum that took it.
It's irrelevant if/how it's recovered: full ill-will is due in either case.  I
hope those frickin scumsuckers get what they deserve  (The ancient muslims had
some fine ideas on that subject.)

Keep the shiny side up!

R

'00 ZX-9R  Voodoo
'96 VFR

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Subject: Nighthawk S with dead engine - What should I do?
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If you've read my post on the Honda Hoot, you already know that my bike's
engine committed suicide on I 81 by throwing a rod through the crankase.
Since this has happenned, I'm now left with the dilemna of what to do with
the bike.  My options seem to be:

1.  Find an engine in a salvage yard and replace the now deceased engine

2.  Part the bike out and offer it piece by piece on ebay

My initial thought was to try for option 1.  I was planning on selling the
bike eventually and already had an interested buyer.  If I can get the bike
back to good working condition, he would probably still be interested (and
yes he already nows that the current engine is deceased).  However, after
spending the afternoon calling local salvage yards, it seems that finding
and engine for the bike may be exceedingly difficult.

Also, I suspect that I will need to do the the replacement work myself, as
the cost of labor is prohibitive (~ $300).

My questions to the list:

1. Is it even worth trying to replace the engine on the bike?

2.  How hard of a job is it to replace an engine?

3.  Does anyone know of a salvage yard within in several hours of the DC
metro area that may have a CB700 engine?  I called Baltimore Salvage and
several yards in PA, without any luck?

If I do decide to part it out, I'll let everyone on the list know before I
start putting parts up on ebay.  The bike has a nice Corbin seat on it and a
good looking Rifle Superbike fairing.

Thanks
Keith
84 Nighthawk S (deceased)
84 Magna V30 (The wife's)
Reston VA
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An Outraged Rob Tinker Bell asserted that bike thieves - pond scum.

	Let me take this opportunity to point out, Rob, that pond scum is a
necessary parasitic organism, which helps maintain the delicate
equilibrium of the Biosphere.

	I submit that bike thieves simply don't rise to the level of a life
form, and, thus, should be eliminated on sight. After all, they serve no
useful purpose, have no redeeming qualities, and bring nothing of value
to the gene pool...


> Altaan Choudhry wrote:
>no bike next to the van.
From: Chuck Pena <cvkgpena@XXXXXX>
This just sucks.  Isn't this the second m/c reported stolen today???  If
it's recovered, I hope it's in one piece.  If not, I wish nothing but
ill-will on the scum that took it.
It's irrelevant if/how it's recovered: full ill-will is due in either
case.


	Agree = 'YES'.  If you're a bike thief, you're simply a mass of genetic
material in the same place as a bunch of other genetic material,
masquerading as a genuine life form.  It matters not that the bike is
recovered for these purposes.  I hope the cops can stop eating donuts &
profiling bikers long enough to solve this & get the bike back...



  I
hope those frickin scumsuckers get what they deserve  (The ancient
muslims had
some fine ideas on that subject.)


	c'mon Rob, nobody does violence like Americans ! ;-)   I'll have to dig
the Voodoo dolls out of the garage (still packed up from the move).  I
haven't needed them at my new job.  Altaan, It would help the spell
immensely, if you can give me some physical article belonging to the
thief ( hair, fingernails, digits, etc...  clothing or jewelry will do
in a pinch)  If we do manage to find out who it is, I wouldn't mind
trying this one particular 'whole body article' spell, which requires
either a willing participant ( I don't think anyone's going to
voluntarily enter the cauldron ) or an unconscious participant.  This
recipe would make Marie LeVeaux herself proud ;-)


It may be a moot point, but since there were other bikes present, they
may come back...  Remember, Nothing says forever, like a 12 gauge...




Dave Yates
'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
'97 Cobra #5148
http://www.radix.net/~sdave/



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On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, Keith Lamond wrote:
> If you've read my post on the Honda Hoot, you already know that my bike's
> engine committed suicide on I 81 by throwing a rod through the crankase.
> Since this has happenned, I'm now left with the dilemna of what to do with
> the bike.  My options seem to be:

I know it's your bike and all... and you get attached... but you can most 
likely find another '84 Nighthawk in running condition for about the same 
amount of money as buying and installing a salvage motor, and keep your 
original bike for parts. I paid $1900 in 1990 for an '86 cb700sc ... I would 
imagine the going rate these days is well under $1000 for one. 

- Roach

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>Indeed, whats the word on open-faced helmets? Are they
>less safe?

Dale Earnhart didn't think so.

-- Larry
'01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco
'84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike)
'01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small 
emergency backup bike)






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i just wanted some advice on something. I just tighten the chain on my bike 
now i here a sorduv "click" and i feel a vibration on my left foot peg 
everytime i slow down first it was at low speeds then i losend the chain a 
bit and now its only when i slow down from high speeds and when backing up.  
Could it be that i tighten one side too much?or do i need a new 
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1.  Keep your chain at least twice as loose as stated in the manual, a loose 
chain is safer than a tight chain. 

2.  Look at the chain from the rear to the front (from the rear sproket to 
the front sproket) , you can eyeball it and determine if it is straight.

3.  If you can turn the rear wheel freely check to see if it bunches up at 
any point as you turn the wheel.  If it doesn't bunch up it's ok.

That's what I do with my racebikes.

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Hey,
     I hate to pick nits, god knows I do, but...
<snip>
...Here on 29th St. in Georgetown we have a meter maid
who lives on sight and can wield a ticket book the way Clint Eastwood
handles a Colt Python...
</snip>
Um, I don't know about all C.E. movies, but "Dirty" Harry Callahan worked as
a trio - Harry, Smith & Wesson. He'd not dirty his mits on a Colt. Arguably
a superior weapon, though.


Howard J. Koontz
2001 Harley Daidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard
1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project



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Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 23:45:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeff Conlin <jconli1@XXXXXX>
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Subject: This weekend
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Hey all... I was the third member of the Mike Troutman, Matt Patton
committee heading south this weekend for fun. I'm not too active on
DC-Cycles, but I lurk around.

They summarized pretty well, so I'll add my quick spin.

I was headed not to the 'Hoot (not really thing... if I'm heading into
that region of incredible roads, I don't want to stand around and gawk at
all these things I can't afford... I want to RIDE!)... but to the Sab/Mag
list's annual summer gathering at TWO in Suches, GA... about 75 miles
southwest of the 'Hoot.

What a bizarre little place Pigeon Forge / Gatlinburg is. Like you take
all the tackiness surrounding places like Ocean City or Myrtle Beach and
drop it in the mountains.

Matt and I head south from there on Saturday. I thought he knew we were
Dragon-bound, but I guess not. Now I feel bad I didn't tell him. Doing the
Dragon backwards is quite fun, especially when it's your first time. It's
not that fun in the driving rain, though. I was impressed by the BMW
XX1150X (I can never remember the correct letters for those things) that
flew by Matt and I, and we were making a pretty good pace ourselves
considering the conditions.

At Robbinsville, Matt and I met up with good friends of mine from Sab/Mag
(2 ST's and a VFR ... even the Sab/Mag list has to move on to other V4's
eventually). We continued south until Matt split off back towards the
'Hoot, and I kept going to Suches.

Quick summary : TWO is an excellent place. If you get a chance to go, by
all means go!

A very squidly bunch of RC51 and Superhawk guys showed up Sunday night,
and weren't too social with us. The next day, only 8 miles north of the
campground, one of them overshot a corner and was crushed by an oncoming
minivan. DOA. We unknowingly arrived shortly therafter, just as the
coroner was putting the sheet over him. Exceed your limits, pay the
consequences. Sucks, but it's true.

The rest of the day was great, though. If you're ever down there, be sure
to check out the following roads : 60, 180 (little Dragon), 19, 348, 17,
197. Also some of the secondary roads connecting the valleys, and the
access road (TN66?) going up Brasstown Bald... amazing! All the roads out
there are well kept, LEO presence is minimal (and they're pretty nice
guys, too!), and the only real danger is the large amount of old people in
large cars.

Slabbed it home, relying on the Emap for some last-minute course changes
to avoid blockages on 40/81 northbound. I love that thing.

An amazing weekend. 2200+ miles on the Nighthawk, and quite a few VFR guys
saying, "I can't believe that's a Nighthawk!" after some twisty runs. It
ain't the sexiest thing around, but I'm amazed how it does everything
without complaint.
-- 
Jeff Conlin
Baltimore, MD


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On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 02:55:57PM -0400, Russell Oppenheimer wrote:
> Since the bike had a salvage title, didn't that mean the DMV had to inspect
> it to get it re-registered? And don't they do a rather thorough inspection
> when a vehicle has a salvage title? If you got it registered, it must have
> been repaired at least to be roadworthy.

I suspect this is the main issue: the salvage title.  Their logic
probably goes something like this.  The bike was totaled, so it
should be scrapped right?  So then if you're still riding it then
maybe it really shouldn't have been totaled and maybe you are guilty
of fraud or are taking advantage of some error in the repair estimate.
After all, why would you spend more of your time/money than the
bike is worth to fix it unless you were scamming them or they screwed
up?  Insurance companies are really sensitive to fraud because they
get people trying to rip them off all of the time, and naturally
they're going to try to find some way to "fix" things if they screw
up.

Of course you were not scamming them, and as someone else said you should
just show them the cost of the parts, the cost of your time, the
appropriate title paperwork, etc, and prove that there is no fraud
involved.  Even if they did screw up the estimate then tough shit for
them, you're hardly under any obligation to check and make sure they're
not stupid before accepting a decent settlement.

I just found out that my CBR600F3 was totaled and had no problem getting
a reasonable claim from progressive.  I did have lots of trouble getting
a decent settlement from Nationwide in VA when my bike was stolen.  The
main problem was that they wanted to fool around as long as possible
hoping that it would resurface somewhere, as well as give them time to
make sure that i wasn't trying to defraud them with a bogus claim.
When they finally offered me a settlement it was at least a few hundred
dollars too low, and so I did my own research into the price and faxed
them documentation to support the fact that their estimate was wrong.
Basically I came up with everything I could to support a better value on
the bike, but I had documentation for that support.  Since my documentation
ended up being better than theirs, I actually won out and got more money
than they were going to give me (but only a few hundred dollars.)

Remember that you're dealing with accountant-types here.  They
respect documentation.  Just produce the correct documentation and
you should be able to get a fair settlement.  In a business like
this they'd be incompetent fools not to want appropriate documentation
anyway.  The key is just to not forget anything important (like the
value of your time), and obviously you can't expect them to try to
help you with your accounting work.  I think most adjusters are more
concerned with being able to show their boss that they didn't slack off
and pay you more than you deserved, and documentation helps keep them out
of the unemployment line.

So cry "havoc" and let slip the pencils and pocket calculators of war...

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Can anyone help, I've tried to be removed from this mailing list over a dozen times and am still receiving it. How can I get removed since obviously following the directions doesn't work.

Ralph Wiens

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I was cleaning out the closet, to make room for a new Roof Boxer helmet, and came across a Shoei RF700 that I haven't worn in a couple years.  

I was kinda thinking about getting a new helmet anyway when the discussion came up last week.  I was thinking about a Schuberth but, checked out the Boxer's and think they're pretty cool looking.  Sorta looks like a fighter pilot helmet with a chinbar.  

The Roadster is even neater.  It's a 3/4 helmet with an optional removable hard, leather-covered(?) nose/mouth face mask that REALLY looks like it belongs in a fighter plane.  Just couldn't bring myself to get it though.  :-)  Here's the best pictures I've found of their helmets.  Just not the best price.  The link that was posted last week still has the best price.    http://www.frontiersmc.co.uk/acatalog/Frontiers_Catalogue_Roof_Helmets_90.html

Anyway, here are the details about the helmet I have for sale.  Shoei RF700 Rage, 3 almost 4 years old, size Medium (too big for my pea brain ;-) ).  Color is black with a purple/blue/green/red design (just doesn't quite go with the r/w/b R6).  Worn one season and is like new with just a little bit of dust on it.  I swear I'll clean it up before I give it to you.  :-)  One small chip out of the paint where I hit it on the top door rail while putting it in the closet.  Black marker took care of hiding it but, I thought I'd better point it out.  Paid close to $300 for it new.  First $100 takes it.  Let the games begin.

Scooter

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I guess my follow up question is:

Why?????!!!!!!  What is the point of spreading gravel on a paved road?  Are
they trying to kill bikers or what???

A little pent up frustration here.

LindaT.
Custom TankBags
Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital)
99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy
95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...)
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Do Yin said:


It happened Tuesday or Wednesday, last week.  I was on it wednesday when
they were just finishing up.  I was making a move to pass a SUV when i
hit it.  Images of flying body parts went through my mind but luckily I
slowed it down safely.


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Sounds like the infamous "chip and seal" - you spread tar on the road, then gravel.  It maintains the road surface.  Works well in lots of ways, but bikes ain't one of them.

Chris Norloff

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "LindaT." <ljtanner@XXXXXX>
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>
>I guess my follow up question is:
>
>Why?????!!!!!!  What is the point of spreading gravel on a paved road?  Are
>they trying to kill bikers or what???
>
>A little pent up frustration here.
>
>LindaT.
>Custom TankBags
>Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital)
>99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy
>95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...)
>00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing
>http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner
>
>Do Yin said:
>
>
>It happened Tuesday or Wednesday, last week.  I was on it wednesday when
>they were just finishing up.  I was making a move to pass a SUV when i
>hit it.  Images of flying body parts went through my mind but luckily I
>slowed it down safely.
>
>
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Received this from a friend and just had to share. %^)

Chuck

Found on rec.crafts.metalworking

Subject: Beware synthetic oil

Beware of synthetic oil, it can do terrible things to you and your
beloved motorcycle. It will not only leak out of your engine faster
than you can put it in, but it will also cause your oil filter to
clog and implode, dumping debris and dirt into your lubrication
system. It also will make every part of your bike permanently
slippery because of its linear molecular chain dispersion action.
Then it will leak onto your kickstand causing it to retract
automatically, dropping your bike on the ground! But that's not all...

Synthetic oil will round off your gears and spin your bearings. It
will also splatter onto your seat causing your girlfriend to fall off
in the apex of a turn and she'll never ride with you again. Synthetic
oil coats your sight window and your timing window with a whitish
pro-emulsification additive that is both non-removable and highly
corrosive. Synthetic oil will completely leak onto the ground overnight
and your dog will drink it and die.

Synthetic oil will wear out your tires and make your battery leak. It
will give you the desperate need to urinate after you put your full
leathers on and then jam your zippers shut. It will contaminate your
gasoline causing your bike to stall on railroad tracks and accelerate
uncontrollably near police cars. It will make it rain during rallies
and on weekends. It will lubricate four timing belts causing them to
jump teeth and break your valves to bits. Synthetic oil chemically
weakens desmodromic valves and causes the clearances to change every
six miles. Then it melts the black soles of your riding boots night
before you walk across your new carpeting.

While riding past groups of attractive women it will cause both of
your handlebar grips to slip off at the same time so you smash your
windscreen with the bridge of your nose. It also causes your swingarm
to crack, your studs to break, and your rotors to warp, and then it
voids your warranty by changing your odometer reading to 55,555. It
also dries out your wetclutch and wets your dryclutch. It makes your
clutch slave cylinder seal fail in the heaviest traffic on the hottest
day of the year while putting an angry wasp in your helmet for good
measure.

Synthetic oil hides your 13mm socket and puts superglue on your
earplugs. Synthetic oil will scratch your faceshield and make your
gloves shrink two sizes night before trackday. Synthetic oil stole
your neutral and sold it to the Chinese for $1.25. Synthetic oil
will make you grow a tail. Synthetic oil will write long crazy
e-mails to your Internet friends and then sign your name at the
bottom!

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While riding to work today on George Mason Drive, I
passed the scene of a severe accident by a
motorcyclist. The biker wore a white 3/4 helmet and
rode what looked like a small UJM (cb350 or the like).
I passed the scene at George Mason and Columbia Pike
at about 8:10 and it looked like it had been some time
since the accident.

If anyone on the list knows this person, please call
the Arlington County police for more details.

Regards,
Chris Weaver

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Oh good ... a gun thread!  The Colt Python is probably one of the most
beautiful and well-made revolvers ever.  But chambered for .357 Magnum. 
Just not good enough for Dirty Harry.  Nope S&W Model 29 in .44 Magnum
for him.  Whether a Colt Python is "superior" to a S&W Model 29 is
debatable.  To the best of my knowledge, Colt did not make a similar .44
Magnum revolver so a true apples-to-apples comparison is not possible.

Moto content:  "Magnum Force" was on one of my movie channels last night
(Encore, I think).  They ride motorcycles in the movie.

Chuck

"Howard J. Koontz" wrote:
> 
> Hey,
>      I hate to pick nits, god knows I do, but...
> <snip>
> ...Here on 29th St. in Georgetown we have a meter maid
> who lives on sight and can wield a ticket book the way Clint Eastwood
> handles a Colt Python...
> </snip>
> Um, I don't know about all C.E. movies, but "Dirty" Harry Callahan worked as
> a trio - Harry, Smith & Wesson. He'd not dirty his mits on a Colt. Arguably
> a superior weapon, though.

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I heard on the news this morning about a fatal accident involving a "scooter" rider and a police chase.  I think it was in Arlington.  It happened around 5:30 - 6 this morning and it was going to be blocking the street for a while during the investigation.  Don't know if it's the same accident or not.  Sounds kinda funny when you look at it.  A police chase involving a scooter.  :-)  Not the accident.

Scooter

In a message dated Tue, 26 Jun 2001  8:45:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Chris Weaver <chris_vtr@XXXXXX> writes:

<< While riding to work today on George Mason Drive, I
passed the scene of a severe accident by a
motorcyclist. The biker wore a white 3/4 helmet and
rode what looked like a small UJM (cb350 or the like).
I passed the scene at George Mason and Columbia Pike
at about 8:10 and it looked like it had been some time
since the accident.

If anyone on the list knows this person, please call
the Arlington County police for more details.

Regards,
Chris Weaver

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Nit pick or not, that's a very important detail when
dicussing Dirty Harry! ;-)  :D

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> Hey,
>      I hate to pick nits, god knows I do, but...
> > Um, I don't know about all C.E. movies, but
"Dirty"
> Harry Callahan worked as
> a trio - Harry, Smith & Wesson. He'd not dirty his
> mits on a Colt. Arguably
> a superior weapon, though.
> 
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Chris,

This was on the news this morning.  The bike is actually a moped. 
Apparently the police were following the person (according to the news
report, the police made it very clear that they were not "pursuing" with
lights, siren, etc., but following because the moped/person matched the
description of a stolen vehicle) and the guy tried to pull a runner
(even though there was supposedly no chase).  Can't understand the logic
of a guy trying to run on a moped.  Anyway, he apparently lost control
and crashed.  Was wearing a helmet, but apparently it was just hanging
off the back of his head.  He smacked his head on the pavement (or
similar equivalent hard surface) and was pronounced dead on the scene.

Chuck

Chris Weaver wrote:
> 
> While riding to work today on George Mason Drive, I
> passed the scene of a severe accident by a
> motorcyclist. The biker wore a white 3/4 helmet and
> rode what looked like a small UJM (cb350 or the like).
> I passed the scene at George Mason and Columbia Pike
> at about 8:10 and it looked like it had been some time
> since the accident.
> 
> If anyone on the list knows this person, please call
> the Arlington County police for more details.
> 
> Regards,
> Chris Weaver
> 
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This was actually a stolen moped chased by cops. I
think the moped thief was doa. Saw it on the news this
morning.

--- Chris Weaver <chris_vtr@XXXXXX> wrote:
> While riding to work today on George Mason Drive, I
> passed the scene of a severe accident by a
> motorcyclist. The biker wore a white 3/4 helmet and
> rode what looked like a small UJM (cb350 or the
> like).
> I passed the scene at George Mason and Columbia Pike
> at about 8:10 and it looked like it had been some
> time
> since the accident.
> 
> If anyone on the list knows this person, please call
> the Arlington County police for more details.
> 
> Regards,
> Chris Weaver
> 
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So this idiot made the decision that this moped was worth his life.
Unbelievable!  Again nature is weeding out the weak.

-----Original Message-----
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Chris,

This was on the news this morning.  The bike is actually a moped.
Apparently the police were following the person (according to the news
report, the police made it very clear that they were not "pursuing" with
lights, siren, etc., but following because the moped/person matched the
description of a stolen vehicle) and the guy tried to pull a runner
(even though there was supposedly no chase).  Can't understand the logic
of a guy trying to run on a moped.  Anyway, he apparently lost control
and crashed.  Was wearing a helmet, but apparently it was just hanging
off the back of his head.  He smacked his head on the pavement (or
similar equivalent hard surface) and was pronounced dead on the scene.

Chuck

Chris Weaver wrote:
>
> While riding to work today on George Mason Drive, I
> passed the scene of a severe accident by a
> motorcyclist. The biker wore a white 3/4 helmet and
> rode what looked like a small UJM (cb350 or the like).
> I passed the scene at George Mason and Columbia Pike
> at about 8:10 and it looked like it had been some time
> since the accident.
>
> If anyone on the list knows this person, please call
> the Arlington County police for more details.
>
> Regards,
> Chris Weaver
>
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I'm seeing a Darwin award here.


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Chris,

This was on the news this morning.  The bike is actually a moped.
Apparently the police were following the person (according to the news
report, the police made it very clear that they were not "pursuing" with
lights, siren, etc., but following because the moped/person matched the
description of a stolen vehicle) and the guy tried to pull a runner
(even though there was supposedly no chase).  Can't understand the logic
of a guy trying to run on a moped.  Anyway, he apparently lost control
and crashed.  Was wearing a helmet, but apparently it was just hanging
off the back of his head.  He smacked his head on the pavement (or
similar equivalent hard surface) and was pronounced dead on the scene.

Chuck

Chris Weaver wrote:
 >
 > While riding to work today on George Mason Drive, I
 > passed the scene of a severe accident by a
 > motorcyclist. The biker wore a white 3/4 helmet and
 > rode what looked like a small UJM (cb350 or the like).
 > I passed the scene at George Mason and Columbia Pike
 > at about 8:10 and it looked like it had been some time
 > since the accident.
 >
 > If anyone on the list knows this person, please call
 > the Arlington County police for more details.
 >
 > Regards,
 > Chris Weaver
 >
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At 10:38 AM 6/25/01 -0700, "Meredith, Steve (Contr)" wrote:
>I'm having a difficult time settling a collision claim with Progressive 


	I used to work for Progressive (2.5 year) as a adjuster, and in fact was
their main motorcycle dude when I did.  I have worked in the insurance
claims industry for 11 years.  Prior to that I was a mechanic at a honda
motorcycle dealer.  I have not read all the replys to your question, so if
I'm repeating what other said I apologize.

	Allow me to dispell some urban myths about insurance claims in general.

	1) insurance companies don't give a shit if you fix your wreck unless you
file another claim with them for the same vehicle.  if you want to take you
settlement & go to disney world, great, they don't care.  paying a claim
does not in anyway imply you must spend the $ to fix your vehicle.  i won't
go into the case law, but sufice to say that a insurance company cannot
require you to repair your vehicle.  infact if you read your progressive
policy you will find nothing that even ASK you to fix you vehicle.  just
sez that progressive will pay you for your loss.  

	2) the great insurance hydra has many pitfalls, but killing a lot of trees
is perhaps the worst.  they will require paperwork.  they will require not
as much documentation as, say, the IRS or the SSA, but they will require
the proof none the less.  unlike the requirement to spend your settlement
on actual repairs, the requirement to provide the documentation requested
is a specific condition of coverage.  fail to provide it, you will fail to
get paid.

	3) very few insurance adjusters are motorcycle literate.  in fact the
industry has an institutional advertence of hiring bike literate folks, but
lets not get into that right now.  depending on them to be able to tell by
looking at photos that you fixed your bike is like expecting the federal
government to spend less money. 

	4) even a bike literate person might not be able to see all your repairs.
you have a mioptic view, you just spent months fixing the thing, what seems
obvious to you might not to someone else who knows alot about bikes.  for
example, i could tell that you purchased new fairings pretty easy from
pictures, but how would I be able to tell if you purchased a $125.00
fairing stay?  if you straightened your old one, great, but if you were
trying to sell the bike and the potential purchaser saw a straighten
fairing bracket, would you expect to be able to sell it for as much as a
bike that did not have a straightened bracket?


In this case it sounds like you've totalled your bike, again, and
progressive needs to assess the fair market value of it just prior to the
second accident.  A bike that has prior unrepaired damage is not worth as
much as one that does not.  It is your responsibility to "prove" that your
bike did not have any unrepaired prior damage if you want the full market
value, because the full market value implies no prior unrepaired damage.
If your bike had some unrepaired damage, this will effect the market value
prior to the second loss, and you can expect an adjustment in your
settlement.  

Almost all insurance companies are liberal in what they accept as
documentation.  Parts providers can submit statements on their letter head.
 I have yet to find a shop that is not willing to spend five minutes
duplicating a purchase receipt for a good customer.  Credit card invoices.
Bank statements.  General record keeping is a good idea, not just for the
IRS, but in case there is a insurance claim.  Just chalk it up to the same
pain in the asses we all have to put up with life, the DMV, IRS, whatever.
Next time you be better prepared.


Any other ?'s feel free to ask.

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You know, I live right near there and the moped riders
constantly amaze me, and not in a good way.  What's
with the wearing of a helmet cocked back on your head?
 WTF?  It's not like traffic where I live is all that
calm, either!!!

- Jeannette
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> 
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Yes, the rider was DOA. They had erected an EZ-Up
enclosed canopy around him and I saw through the
opening that he had been put in a body bag. I didn't
want to put this in my original email in case someone
knew the guy.

Just FYI, this was the very same intersection where I
got stopped by the cop last Friday because my bike
matched the description of someone who had run from
them the night before. 

WTF is going on with people these days???

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Steve,

In reference to your statement below ... wouldn't this proof be required to
"re-insure" the bike again?  I am assuming that when an Ins. co. totals a
bike, coverage drops.  So wouldn't the Ins. co. want all this proof up
front to determine the fair market value of the bike prior to re-insuring?

In short, why is he going through meeting the proof standard AFTER the
second accident and not prior to receiving insurance for  a previously
totalled bike?

Curious,
--chris




In this case it sounds like you've totalled your bike, again, and
progressive needs to assess the fair market value of it just prior to the
second accident.  A bike that has prior unrepaired damage is not worth as
much as one that does not.  It is your responsibility to "prove" that your
bike did not have any unrepaired prior damage if you want the full market
value, because the full market value implies no prior unrepaired damage.
If your bike had some unrepaired damage, this will effect the market value
prior to the second loss, and you can expect an adjustment in your
settlement.

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On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote:

> In reference to your statement below ... wouldn't this proof be required to
> "re-insure" the bike again?  I am assuming that when an Ins. co. totals a
> bike, coverage drops.  So wouldn't the Ins. co. want all this proof up
> front to determine the fair market value of the bike prior to re-insuring?
>
> In short, why is he going through meeting the proof standard AFTER the
> second accident and not prior to receiving insurance for  a previously
> totalled bike?

Exactly - I fail to understand how progressinve can say this is a second 
claim on the same vehicle. They purchased (totalled) the vehicle, resold it, 
then re-insured it. 

The original poster didn't say whether the bike had a salvage title or not 
(or I missed it)... this would make a difference as to the market value of 
the bike. However... if they're not going to total it again, then they should 
be liable for the repairs to the vehicle. I can't see how Steve could be held 
responsible if they don't know what the original condition of the vehicle was 
when they re-insured it.

?

- Roach

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At 09:52 AM 6/26/01 -0400, christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote:
>"re-insure" the bike again?  I am assuming that when an Ins. co. totals a
>bike, coverage drops.  

	What was the old line from Benny Hill, "when you assume something you make
a Ass out of You and Me" ...perhaps I'm showing my age...:-)  

	Anyway, policies are not automatically canceled in the case of a total.
>From the insurance companies perspective a prior total loss is a pretty
good risk.  You are collecting full premium on a risk that does not drive
down the road (most of the time) is not likely to be stolen (a stretch) and
in the advent a second first party claim is filed the coverage is limited
to the fair market value minus any unrepaired prior damage.  If it were me,
I would want to make sure my policy was canceled to save $, but the
original post was not clear if his prior policy had been canceled or not,
see below.

>In short, why is he going through meeting the proof standard AFTER the
>second accident and not prior to receiving insurance for  a previously
>totalled bike?

	When you take out insurance you either answer a bunch of questions or fill
out a application.  One of the questions you are asked is about the
condition of the risk.  The insurance company has no reason to beleive that
you not making a accurate representation when answer these questions.
However, if during the investigation of a claim, information surfaces that
there may in fact be questions about the prior condition, you can bet you
ass that insurance company is going to zero in on that.  Technically this
is called a "material mis-representation" and things that can happen can
range from requests for obscure documentation, to denial of the claim, to
rescession of the policy back to inception date and refunding of earned
premium.  Just depends on the details.

	S

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Long a pet peeve of mine are the decrepit unlicensed mopeds used for
deliveries in DC where the riders not only lane split and filter (OK by me)
but they also run red lights, run against the current of traffic on one-way
streets, run on sidewalks, etc., and make a general nuisance of themselves,
whilst carrying a full load of pizzas and other valuable commodities.  For
the average John Q. Citizen who can't make fine distinctions, these antics
reflect poorly on all motorcyclists.  All it would take is for a few people
to refuse deliveries from these guys to get them, and the businessed that
hire them, to clean up their act.  In
DC any motorized vehicle used on the street, regardless of displacement,
must have a tag and be inspected.  You only need a moto endorsement above 50
cc, IIRC.

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F
http://users.erols.com/pawilson
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> You know, I live right near there and the moped riders
> constantly amaze me, and not in a good way.  What's
> with the wearing of a helmet cocked back on your head?
>  WTF?  It's not like traffic where I live is all that
> calm, either!!!
>
> - Jeannette
>   '86 VFR 700 F2
>   http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081




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At 10:13 AM 6/26/01 -0400, Brian Roach wrote:
>Exactly - I fail to understand how progressinve can say this is a second 
>claim on the same vehicle. They purchased (totalled) the vehicle, resold it, 
>then re-insured it. 

	Lemme dispell another insurance myth.  The the customer wants to keep the
wreck, it is not "sold" to him, rather the insurance company deductes the
salvage value (what it is worth as is, where is) from the settlement.  The
title never leave the customers hands.  Now, if the vehicle is titled in a
state that has a statutory requirement that any vehicle declared a "total"
must have re-application for title as "salvaged" status, then the insurance
company will comply with the law.  Complience could be as simple as sending
a letter to DMV telling them about it, or it could require, as WV does,
that the vehicle be taken from the customer.  The devil is in the details. 


>The original poster didn't say whether the bike had a salvage title or not 
>(or I missed it)... this would make a difference as to the market value of 
>the bike. However... if they're not going to total it again, then they
should 
>be liable for the repairs to the vehicle. I can't see how Steve could be
held 
>responsible if they don't know what the original condition of the vehicle
was 
>when they re-insured it.


	Sounds to me (I agree the original poster was not clear) like the title
was never involved in the original loss, and the vehicle is a total again.
But as I said I do not know, and really it does not matter.  See my other
post, it depends on the representations that were made by the customer on
the application for insurance, either in writing or verbally.  Insurance
companies do not assume people are lieing when they tell them their rusted
out '78 Nova is in perfect condion.  They do not inspect vehicles prior to
accpting them as a risk, if they did, insurance would cost us about 5 times
what it does.  Nope, they just assume everything is normal unless they find
evidence to the contrary.  Actually if you think about it, its pretty fair.
 You are assumed innocent until evidence indicates the possibility
otherwise.  Then extra hoops may have to be jumped thru.

	S

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On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Chuck Pena wrote:
<snip>
> debatable.  To the best of my knowledge, Colt did not make a similar .44
> Magnum revolver so a true apples-to-apples comparison is not possible.

	The Colt Anaconda was chambered in .44 mag. If someone has one
we could due some comparison testing withm my Model 29. Now if we just
some had some bike thieves to line up for target practice.
 



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On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Stephen Harris wrote:
> See my other
> post, it depends on the representations that were made by the customer on
> the application for insurance, either in writing or verbally.  Insurance
> companies do not assume people are lieing when they tell them their rusted
> out '78 Nova is in perfect condion.  They do not inspect vehicles prior to
> accpting them as a risk, if they did, insurance would cost us about 5 times
> what it does.  

? Geico does. Unless it's a new vehicle you have to take it to a Geico 
"inspection station" where they document the vehicle. At least this was their 
policy the last time I bought a used car (it was a number of years ago, so 
this may have changed I guess).

- Roach

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Wow! I sure started a good thread.  My apologies, but I was aiming for the
greatest recognition factor and pulled out the most recognizable gun name I
could think of :)  I actually wanted to use a reference to the Peacemaker,
but thought some would argue that wasn't the weapon used by the Man With No
Name.  Who doesn't love that scene in the "Good, the Bad & the Ugly" where
Eli Wallach goes to the gunsmith and builds himself the perfect handgun?  Of
course, I wasted many years of my life in video retailing so playing movie
trivia with me can be dangerous.  The former champion Eddie Mulder who used
to race for Triumph rode that bike off the carrier deck in Magnum Force.
Cedric


Oh good ... a gun thread!  The Colt Python is probably one of the most
beautiful and well-made revolvers ever.  But chambered for .357 Magnum. 
Just not good enough for Dirty Harry.  Nope S&W Model 29 in .44 Magnum
for him.  Whether a Colt Python is "superior" to a S&W Model 29 is
debatable.  To the best of my knowledge, Colt did not make a similar .44
Magnum revolver so a true apples-to-apples comparison is not possible.

Moto content:  "Magnum Force" was on one of my movie channels last night
(Encore, I think).  They ride motorcycles in the movie.

Chuck

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Steve,

That's sounds all great and nice, but in this specific example we are
dealing with a bike that THE SAME insurance company totalled.  I don't
doubt that you are correct, but it suprises me that they would still insure
it without some proof that it had been restored to an agreed upon value
between the insurance co and the policy holder.  This situation involves an
ins co. insuring a vehicle that *they* have declared is a total loss.
Isn't there some procedure for insuring a VIN that has been totalled?

--chris

BTW, I think the assume quote predates even Benny Hill.








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      Christopher Meier/US/ABAS/PwC@Americas-US
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 Insurance companies do not assume people are lieing when they tell them
their rusted
out '78 Nova is in perfect condion.  They do not inspect vehicles prior to
accpting them as a risk, if they did, insurance would cost us about 5 times
what it does.  Nope, they just assume everything is normal unless they find
evidence to the contrary.  Actually if you think about it, its pretty fair.
 You are assumed innocent until evidence indicates the possibility
otherwise.  Then extra hoops may have to be jumped thru.


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And what's the law regarding helmets and mopeds?  I saw a moped driver
heading south on New Hampshire inside the Beltway wearing a bicycle
helmet.  I'm not ranting, just very intriqued.

Bob
'89 HawkGT

Jeannette wrote:

> You know, I live right near there and the moped riders
> constantly amaze me, and not in a good way.  What's
> with the wearing of a helmet cocked back on your head?
>  WTF?  It's not like traffic where I live is all that
> calm, either!!!
>
> - Jeannette
>   '86 VFR 700 F2
>   http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081
>
>   --- Rob Keiser <robkeiser@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > I'm seeing a Darwin award here.
> >
> >
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OK, I checked my front wheel last night, and there is a whack to the left
side of the front rim.  It wasn't noticeable till I used a reference point
to look for it - then it stood out clear as a bell. It looks like only the
left side of the rim is affected.  Funny how such a small thing (it doesn't
look that bad at all - out maybe an 1/8" or less) could make such a
noticeable vibration in the steering.  Another interesting fact is that it
is really noticeable when turn left, but not very apparent when the bike is
upright, or turning right.

Paul Wilson sent me an off-list message indicating that there is a guy/shop
located in Southern MD that does wheel straightening, but he doesn't
remember the name/number.  Does anyone know who he is referring to and how
to contact the person?  I was going to search the archives, but since it's
broken up into months (instead of one single archive) that could take
forever.  I've gotten a couple of leads for MC wheel straighteners in other
parts of the country - but I'd prefer to stay local and drop the wheel off
vs. paying to ship it.

Thanks for the help,

-Calvin

'00VFR800
'84VF500F

-----Original Message-----
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To: Ledford, Calvin
Subject: Bent rim


Calvin, there's a firm in Southern Maryland that does MC wheel repair.
Search the DC-Cycles archives.  I looked on my hard drive, but I can't find
the name.

Hope that helps,

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F
http://users.erols.com/pawilson

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At 10:49 AM 6/26/01 -0400, Brian Roach wrote:
>? Geico does. Unless it's a new vehicle you have to take it to a Geico 
>"inspection station" where they document the vehicle. At least this was
their 
>policy the last time I bought a used car (it was a number of years ago, so 
>this may have changed I guess).


	I've not worked for GEICO, so perhaps they do this, and if the market
likes it, they will profit.  For example, in NY insurance companies are
required by law to inspect all not new cars.  But we are talking about a VA
claim with progressive.  Its kind of like gun laws.  In DC they banned all
hand guns, but in VA you can get a concelled carry permit.  Depends on the
locality.

	S

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At 10:54 AM 6/26/01 -0400, christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote:
>
>Steve,
>
>That's sounds all great and nice, but in this specific example we are
>dealing with a bike that THE SAME insurance company totalled.  

	Does not matter.  The folks who take underwriting info of the phone are
reading from a script and barley have a GED.  If the original poster took
out a new policy it would have no reference to the first policy unless
original poster told them.  Again, why structure your companies infomation
data base to cross referenece a name looking for a lie under the assumption
that a caller might be lieing?  You assume the caller is telling you the
truth.  I can tell you that all insurance companies will reference prior
claim history (search for VIN, name, whatever) if a new claim is filed, but
that is, as I said, because new information developed, and claim history is
a valid claim investigation tool. 


>I don't
>doubt that you are correct, but it suprises me that they would still insure
>it without some proof that it had been restored to an agreed upon value
>between the insurance co and the policy holder.  

	Vehicles are not normally insured on a "agreed upon value."  This would be
a "stated value policy" and is a good deal more expensive, and you have to
ask for it during the interview process.  Again, the company has no reason
to assume the vehicle has any prior damage unless you tell them.


>This situation involves an
>ins co. insuring a vehicle that *they* have declared is a total loss.

	See my prior post, the vehicle total loss process does not inherently
included a formal "declaration of total loss" on some database some where.
It depends on the locality.  In VA, with progressive, on a motorcyle, it
does not.


>Isn't there some procedure for insuring a VIN that has been totalled?


	Not unless requrired by the local authorites.  WV is an example of a state
that has gone to great pains to try this.  NICB keeps a database of info
that insurance companies submit to them (this is that CarFax business
you've seen on TV) but this is a classic example of garbage in equals
garbage out.  If the insurnace company does not tell NICB about a loss,
they do not know about it.  If the insurance stiff gets one digit wrong on
the VIN, it will never pull up.  See what I mean?  

	To be honest I sort of suprised that everyone feels all insurance
companies are that connected.  I kind of feel like the guy behind the
curtain in Alice in Wonderland.  Perhaps this should be "Steve in
Insuranceland"...:-)

	Oh, and you are probably correct about the assume quote.

	S

Need a motorcycle related phone number or address?
Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm

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Chuck Pena wrote:
> 
> Can't understand the logic
> of a guy trying to run on a moped.  Anyway, he apparently lost control
> and crashed.  Was wearing a helmet, but apparently it was just hanging
> off the back of his head.  He smacked his head on the pavement (or
> similar equivalent hard surface) and was pronounced dead on the scene.

A well-deserved Darwin Award winner, if I do say so myself.

Horkster

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Hey,

  I just wanted to thank everybody who helped Robert Lee and myself make it 
back home after mytruck died late Sunday night south of Richmond.

Thanks go out to Bob Seitz, Forrest Seitz, Van of Seitz, Steve Shoul, Scott 
Nelson, Pete Freidman, George Vensko, and anybody else that my failing memory 
has missed.

Basically the 21 month old expedition blew a spark plug out of the cylinder 
head....and stripped the head.  The aluminum head is NOT to be helicoiled 
according to Ford...so it needs a new one.  Ugh.  To quote the movie Stripes. 
 "We're not parking it here...we're abandoning it."

Our eventual savior turned out to be Bob & Forrest Seitz.  They showed up 
with Forrest driving and Bob there for moral support.  We got a ball hitch to 
fit my trailer, then went south to pick it up.  After dropping Bob & Forrest 
off at home Robert & I finished our journey home with Bob's mondo new race 
van.  We made the 600 mile trip home from Roebling Roads near Savannah in 
record time....31 hours.

Thanks to everybody who helped or offered to help us out of our predicament.  
This is truely why I love racing....the friends you make.  I love youse 
guys!!!

Keener

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Find it in the archives, Calvin.


> On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:25:50 -0500, you wrote:
>
> |>Thanks to everyone on the list who helped me figure out what to do about
my
> |>bent front wheel rim.
> |>
> |>In the end, I contacted GRD Cycles www.grdcycles.com in southeastern
> |>Maryland. They do wheel straightening, and they did a great job. The
cost
> |>was $100 and it was completed in three days. The gentleman who owns the
> |>place is smart, personable and seems quite honest. I feel comfortable
> |>recommending them.
> |>
> |>I can also highly recommend Pit Bull cycle stands. I used a rear stand
and a
> |>front fork-mounted stand from them, and it was dead-easy for me to put
the
> |>bike on and take it off of the stands by myself. The bike was also
> |>rock-solid on the stands while I worked on it and waited for my wheel to
be
> |>fixed.
> |>
> |>Chris Weaver
> |>'98 VTR on both wheels again... Woohoo!
> |>




Paul in DC
95 VFR750F
http://users.erols.com/pawilson
----- Original Message -----
From: Ledford, Calvin <cledford@XXXXXX>
>
> Paul Wilson sent me an off-list message indicating that there is a
guy/shop
> located in Southern MD that does wheel straightening, but he doesn't
> remember the name/number.  Does anyone know who he is referring to and how
> to contact the person?  I was going to search the archives, but since it's
> broken up into months (instead of one single archive) that could take
> forever.  I've gotten a couple of leads for MC wheel straighteners in
other
> parts of the country - but I'd prefer to stay local and drop the wheel off
> vs. paying to ship it.
>
> Thanks for the help,
>
> -Calvin
>
> '00VFR800
> '84VF500F
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 9:55 AM
> To: Ledford, Calvin
> Subject: Bent rim
>
>
> Calvin, there's a firm in Southern Maryland that does MC wheel repair.
> Search the DC-Cycles archives.  I looked on my hard drive, but I can't fin
d
> the name.
>
> Hope that helps,
>
> Paul in DC
> 95 VFR750F
> http://users.erols.com/pawilson
>


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  I'd like to ask any of you track riders out there for info.  I'm wanting 
to get into the sport.  Actually, I've ran into an assortment of tickets 
recently and can't afford to get anymore so I'm selling my GSXR and going to 
get a track bike.  Only way I can see saving my sanity while avoiding 
further point deductions.  Plus, I live for the curves more than anything 
else.  I've ridden on a track a few times but never have owned a true track 
bike.  What are the local meets?  Organizations?  How's best to get started? 
  Etc.  Any info would be very helpful.

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anyone have and F2/F3 engine for sale?

Danny

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I take my bike to aerospace shell in greenbelt. on greenbelt rd in
lanham.

I recently took my lady friends gixxer there.. basicly to get a list
of things they wanted me to change before they would pass it.
I figured.. 

1. clutch lever end broken off
2. shift lever bent inward
3. purple windscreen

called back the next day, and the bike passed.  I was shocked. Maybe
the guy knew i worked on bikes and wouldn't ride anything that wasnt'
safe.  So it might help even more if I ride your bike there <G>.

P.S. it's better if you just drop it off and expect to get it back
either the next day or the end of the day.


On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:00:04 -0400, you wrote:

|>Hello,
|>
|>I want to get my recently purchased motorcycle inspected in MD. Anyone have 
|>any recommendations on where to go? CyclesUSA is saying that I have to call 
|>at 10 am in the morning to see if they have any cancellations. Very 
|>aggravating. Any other places?? Thanks,
|>
|>Ulrich
|>Ps. Didnt make bike night - I was at the beach. But DC is the place to have 'em.
|>


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>  I'm selling my GSXR and going to get a track bike.

What year and model? Are you looking to race, or just do track days? 
Chances are, this would be a fine bike for plain 'ol track days.

>  What are the local meets?  Organizations?

Check out :
http://www.teampromotion.com/
http://www.nesba.com/

These organizations specialize in running only track days. Also, some 
local shops run track days as well.

http://www.loudounmotorsports.com/
Cycle Sport (Herndon)


>  How's best to get started?

If you want to go racing, there are a variety of faqs and online 
resources available. One of the best can be found here.

http://www.io.com/~duke/newrrfaq.htm




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Sorry to hear that man.

Which kryptonite cable did you have? 
the smaller one or the larger one?

I heard a friend of mine had a kryptonite cable and a NY chain,
they freon'd the lock on the NY chain, but couldn't get through the
krkyptonite cable.

Did they leave the calbe on the ground, cut?  what was the bike locked
to?

Danny

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Subject: Re: FW: Bent rim, anyone know the Southern MD fixer?
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:53:54 -0700
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GRD cycles down in whiteplains MD.

about 2 miles behind st charles town center at the most
and right behind atlantic cycles.

Danny

On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:04:12 -0400, you wrote:

|>OK, I checked my front wheel last night, and there is a whack to the left
|>side of the front rim.  It wasn't noticeable till I used a reference point
|>to look for it - then it stood out clear as a bell. It looks like only the
|>left side of the rim is affected.  Funny how such a small thing (it doesn't
|>look that bad at all - out maybe an 1/8" or less) could make such a
|>noticeable vibration in the steering.  Another interesting fact is that it
|>is really noticeable when turn left, but not very apparent when the bike is
|>upright, or turning right.
|>
|>Paul Wilson sent me an off-list message indicating that there is a guy/shop
|>located in Southern MD that does wheel straightening, but he doesn't
|>remember the name/number.  Does anyone know who he is referring to and how
|>to contact the person?  I was going to search the archives, but since it's
|>broken up into months (instead of one single archive) that could take
|>forever.  I've gotten a couple of leads for MC wheel straighteners in other
|>parts of the country - but I'd prefer to stay local and drop the wheel off
|>vs. paying to ship it.
|>
|>Thanks for the help,
|>
|>-Calvin
|>
|>'00VFR800
|>'84VF500F
|>
|>-----Original Message-----
|>From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX]
|>Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 9:55 AM
|>To: Ledford, Calvin
|>Subject: Bent rim
|>
|>
|>Calvin, there's a firm in Southern Maryland that does MC wheel repair.
|>Search the DC-Cycles archives.  I looked on my hard drive, but I can't find
|>the name.
|>
|>Hope that helps,
|>
|>Paul in DC
|>95 VFR750F
|>http://users.erols.com/pawilson


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Hi everyone,

Does anyone have any experience with GMD Computrack in Frederick?

And do I need it?

Here is my dilemma

99 R6 bought used for track days. Never crashed or even dropped to the best of my knowledge.

A friend who has lots of MC experience rode it yesterday and thought the steering felt really wrong and recommended I take it to Computrack.

There is a steering dampener on the bike and it was set on a med setting. So maybe he was feeling that a little?

The bike requires a lot of effort to steer into corners and make fast transitions, seemingly much more than my VFR on the street. The VFR just seems to fall gracefully into corners where the R6 needs to be forced down.

I have ridden it at two track days at Summit and mostly the bike feels really good once a speed. Still the steering does feel heavy especially in turns 6, 7, and 8.

Is this a trait of the R6?

Should I just check the steering head and make sure it's not too tight etc.

Any feedback is greatly appreciated

Regards,

George Cole

PS. See everyone tonight at Bikenight.


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I went to budds creek saturday.

Saw a hell of a stunt show.  

Saw a friend of mine.  He said he was riding with the guy who crashed
on 66E.

Apparently they were riding. Going though traffic  (nothing too wild)
then later down 66E they went through the curve.  He went through
first.  The second guy crashed.  Motorist reported that "the bike
looked possessed. it threw him off and kept going down the road".
The guy hit the gaurdrail / retaining wall or whatever a few times.
Dismembering his arm by having him lose his hand, and the guy died
from injuries.   My friend went back to the scene. The police tried to
say they were racing, and that he bumped the guy.  They impounded his
bike to look for any collision marks with their experts. (they were
none, and his bike was pretty new, so it's clean). 

I think they issued him tickets for wreckless and were talking about
manslaughter charges. He has hired a lawyer of course.

I say he's my friend, but I don't really know him all that well. I've
just met him while out riding, and we've rode together a few times.
He's never given me any indication that he was less than a decent
individual.  However i also will state i do not KNOW him.  I just know
his first name, his face, what he rides... and have been around him.
<shrug>

Anyway..  i saw some of you were interested.

Danny

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Devin,

Check out NESBA.com

Its a track day organization. They have lots of events throughout the season. Sumitt Point, VIR, Raush Creek, Pocono etc

All you need is a bike with minimum prep, a leather suit, or leather jacket and pants two piece.

You really won't want to ride fast on the street anymore. Its way faster than anything you have done on the street, unless you are a maniac.

They have a classified section with lots of race bikes etc.

Also check out www.roadracingworld.com

Be careful its highly addicting

George Cole



>>> "Devin Ginther" <dev_ginther@XXXXXX> 06/26/01 12:00PM >>>
  I'd like to ask any of you track riders out there for info.  I'm wanting 
to get into the sport.  Actually, I've ran into an assortment of tickets 
recently and can't afford to get anymore so I'm selling my GSXR and going to 
get a track bike.  Only way I can see saving my sanity while avoiding 
further point deductions.  Plus, I live for the curves more than anything 
else.  I've ridden on a track a few times but never have owned a true track 
bike.  What are the local meets?  Organizations?  How's best to get started? 
  Etc.  Any info would be very helpful.

  Devin Ginther
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I would DEFINITELY be fighting this and all the tickets.  Especially with the motorist testimony about the bike throwing him off.  There was nothing mentioned of excessive speed or two bikes colliding with each other.  Anything to avoid investigating.  Geesshh!!

Scooter

In a message dated Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:59:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes:

<< I went to budds creek saturday.

Saw a hell of a stunt show.  

Saw a friend of mine.  He said he was riding with the guy who crashed
on 66E.

Apparently they were riding. Going though traffic  (nothing too wild)
then later down 66E they went through the curve.  He went through
first.  The second guy crashed.  Motorist reported that "the bike
looked possessed. it threw him off and kept going down the road".
The guy hit the gaurdrail / retaining wall or whatever a few times.
Dismembering his arm by having him lose his hand, and the guy died
from injuries.   My friend went back to the scene. The police tried to
say they were racing, and that he bumped the guy.  They impounded his
bike to look for any collision marks with their experts. (they were
none, and his bike was pretty new, so it's clean). 

I think they issued him tickets for wreckless and were talking about
manslaughter charges. He has hired a lawyer of course.

I say he's my friend, but I don't really know him all that well. I've
just met him while out riding, and we've rode together a few times.
He's never given me any indication that he was less than a decent
individual.  However i also will state i do not KNOW him.  I just know
his first name, his face, what he rides... and have been around him.
<shrug>

Anyway..  i saw some of you were interested.

Danny
 >>



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Where on 66E were they riding??? The *ONLY* place I
can think of there being much of a curve is down near
Rosslyn. Even there, those guys had to be going
hell-for-leather for him to lose it like that. Sounds
like another Darwin award nominee to me.

What is it with all the idiotic bike/moped antics
lately? We're starting to look like hypocrites for
calling cagers stupid.

Chris Weaver



--- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote:
> I went to budds creek saturday.
> 
> Saw a hell of a stunt show.  
> 
> Saw a friend of mine.  He said he was riding with
> the guy who crashed
> on 66E.
> 
> Apparently they were riding. Going though traffic 
> (nothing too wild)
> then later down 66E they went through the curve.  He
> went through
> first.  The second guy crashed.  Motorist reported
> that "the bike
> looked possessed. it threw him off and kept going
> down the road".
> The guy hit the gaurdrail / retaining wall or
> whatever a few times.
> Dismembering his arm by having him lose his hand,
> and the guy died
> from injuries.   My friend went back to the scene.
> The police tried to
> say they were racing, and that he bumped the guy. 
> They impounded his
> bike to look for any collision marks with their
> experts. (they were
> none, and his bike was pretty new, so it's clean). 
> 
> I think they issued him tickets for wreckless and
> were talking about
> manslaughter charges. He has hired a lawyer of
> course.
> 
> I say he's my friend, but I don't really know him
> all that well. I've
> just met him while out riding, and we've rode
> together a few times.
> He's never given me any indication that he was less
> than a decent
> individual.  However i also will state i do not KNOW
> him.  I just know
> his first name, his face, what he rides... and have
> been around him.
> <shrug>
> 
> Anyway..  i saw some of you were interested.
> 
> Danny


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George,

Almost all the mags say the R6 is quickest/sharpest-turning sportbike
(even more than the GSXR600).  Supposedly, what makes the GSXR600 a
"slower turning" bike than the R6 is the factory-fitted steering
damper.  An R6 w/o a damper is supposed to "better" in the tighter
turns.  So it could just be the fact that you have a damper fitted and
it's on the "medium" setting.  Have your friend ride it on the "low"
setting.  Find someone else who has an R6 w/o a damper and ride it
back-to-back with your's.  I'd start with damper as being the "culprit"
before shelling out bucks (it ain't cheap) to go to Computrak.  I'm sure
they could get your bike "right", but it might not have anything to do
with the steering "problem" you're experiencing.

Chuck

George Cole wrote <SNIP>:
> 
> 99 R6 bought used for track days. Never crashed or even dropped to the best of my knowledge.
> 
> A friend who has lots of MC experience rode it yesterday and thought the steering felt really wrong and recommended I take it to Computrack.
> 
> There is a steering dampener on the bike and it was set on a med setting. So maybe he was feeling that a little?

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Sound like computrack could realy help your R6. Had my F4 done there, lap times started droping shortly after. Made the bike much easier to steer but they also set-up my suspension. Either the frame alingment or suspension changes made a world of diff. 

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---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "George Cole" <George.Cole@XXXXXX>
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:18:42 -0500

>Hi everyone,
>
>Does anyone have any experience with GMD Computrack in Frederick?
>
>And do I need it?
>
>Here is my dilemma
>
>99 R6 bought used for track days. Never crashed or even dropped to the best of my knowledge.
>
>A friend who has lots of MC experience rode it yesterday and thought the steering felt really wrong and recommended I take it to Computrack.
>
>There is a steering dampener on the bike and it was set on a med setting. So maybe he was feeling that a little?
>
>The bike requires a lot of effort to steer into corners and make fast transitions, seemingly much more than my VFR on the street. The VFR just seems to fall gracefully into corners where the R6 needs to be forced down.
>
>I have ridden it at two track days at Summit and mostly the bike feels really good once a speed. Still the steering does feel heavy especially in turns 6, 7, and 8.
>
>Is this a trait of the R6?
>
>Should I just check the steering head and make sure it's not too tight etc.
>
>Any feedback is greatly appreciated
>
>Regards,
>
>George Cole
>
>PS. See everyone tonight at Bikenight.
>
>

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Devin could also check out racing YSR50s in EARA. If
he wants curves, he won't find a higher concentration
of them than during one of our races. It's also much
cheaper than track days. (I think I spent about $50
for six races last time and I was wasted after all
that riding)

I heard a rumor that there might be a guy with a
street YSR at bike night tonight. If so, check it out.

some useful YSR urls:
http://www.ysrracing.com
http://www.teamcalamari.com
http://www.fastriceracing.com

Chris Weaver


--- George Cole <George.Cole@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Devin,
> 
> Check out NESBA.com
> 
> Its a track day organization. They have lots of
> events throughout the season. Sumitt Point, VIR,
> Raush Creek, Pocono etc
> 
> All you need is a bike with minimum prep, a leather
> suit, or leather jacket and pants two piece.
> 
> You really won't want to ride fast on the street
> anymore. Its way faster than anything you have done
> on the street, unless you are a maniac.
> 
> They have a classified section with lots of race
> bikes etc.
> 
> Also check out www.roadracingworld.com
> 
> Be careful its highly addicting
> 
> George Cole
> 
> 
> 
> >>> "Devin Ginther" <dev_ginther@XXXXXX>
> 06/26/01 12:00PM >>>
>   I'd like to ask any of you track riders out there
> for info.  I'm wanting 
> to get into the sport.  Actually, I've ran into an
> assortment of tickets 
> recently and can't afford to get anymore so I'm
> selling my GSXR and going to 
> get a track bike.  Only way I can see saving my
> sanity while avoiding 
> further point deductions.  Plus, I live for the
> curves more than anything 
> else.  I've ridden on a track a few times but never
> have owned a true track 
> bike.  What are the local meets?  Organizations? 
> How's best to get started? 
>   Etc.  Any info would be very helpful.
> 
>   Devin Ginther
>
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Stupid is as stupid was (or whatver Forrest Gump said).  Cagers do not
have a monopoly on stupidity.  There are good/smart car drivers and
bad/dumb ones.  Same goes for those who ride on two-wheels.

Chris Weaver wrote:
> 
> What is it with all the idiotic bike/moped antics
> lately? We're starting to look like hypocrites for
> calling cagers stupid.

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Well, I knew I should've gone for less money in the initial post.  :-)  I was greedy, what can I say?  hehe  Anyway, anyone want it for $75?  That's as low as I'm gonna go.  If no one takes it, it'll just continue to take up space in my closet as a spare.

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<< I was cleaning out the closet, to make room for a new Roof Boxer helmet, and came across a Shoei RF700 that I haven't worn in a couple years.  
<snip>
Anyway, here are the details about the helmet I have for sale.  Shoei RF700 Rage, 3 almost 4 years old, size Medium (too big for my pea brain ;-) ).  Color is black with a purple/blue/green/red design (just doesn't quite go with the r/w/b R6).  Worn one season and is like new with just a little bit of dust on it.  I swear I'll clean it up before I give it to you.  :-)  One small chip out of the paint where I hit it on the top door rail while putting it in the closet.  Black marker took care of hiding it but, I thought I'd better point it out.  Paid close to $300 for it new.  First $100 takes it.  Let the games begin.

Scooter
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On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, you wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Does anyone have any experience with GMD Computrack in Frederick?

Yes

> And do I need it?

Probably not. If your bike has not been crashed, the frame is going to be 
PLENTY straight. There are lots of people winning club races on R6's that 
have not gone to computrack.

If your damper is set at "med" (I assume you mean half way between lightest 
and heaviest), you might try backing it out a couple clicks - depends on how 
stiff the damper is. It should NOT being causing the bike to steer slowly - 
it should only be stiff enough to reduce headshake and extreme inputs.

A streetbike from the dealer is set up as a "compromise" from the factory - 
enough to turn well, yet not extreme enough to become unstable. If the bike 
is turning slowly without the damper turned up, you really want to drop the 
front little by little to get it to where you want it. Try raising the forks 
in the tripple clamps 2mm at a time, and see how you like the way the bike 
turns in. If you're having ground clearence problems (dragging the fairings 
in corners) you want to investigate adding rear ride height - this also has 
the advantage of making the bike steer quicker, but not as much as adjusting 
the front and you want to keep the center of gravity as low as possible 
(ergo, adjust the front first).

- Roach

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At 01:28 PM 6/26/01 -0400, Brian Roach wrote:
>On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, you wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Does anyone have any experience with GMD Computrack in Frederick?
>> And do I need it?


	If you are at all mechanically inclined you can duplicate the accuracy
needed for real world checking of your chassis with a ball of string and a
plumb bob.  

	Check out:

	http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcnuts/chassis.html

	and

	http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcnuts/chassis2.html

	The real advantage of going to compu-shack is that they have some neat
tools for fixing damage or for changing geometry.  If you just want to
check it, the above links give you all the info you need.

	Harris  (who has posted more on the DC cylces list today than in the last
six years....:-)



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Easy with the free love big fellow, don't get your sombrero all mushy!!!


                                                                             
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Hey,

  I just wanted to thank everybody who helped Robert Lee and myself make it

back home after mytruck died late Sunday night south of Richmond.

Thanks go out to Bob Seitz, Forrest Seitz, Van of Seitz, Steve Shoul, Scott

Nelson, Pete Freidman, George Vensko, and anybody else that my failing
memory
has missed.

Basically the 21 month old expedition blew a spark plug out of the cylinder

head....and stripped the head.  The aluminum head is NOT to be helicoiled
according to Ford...so it needs a new one.  Ugh.  To quote the movie
Stripes.
 "We're not parking it here...we're abandoning it."

Our eventual savior turned out to be Bob & Forrest Seitz.  They showed up
with Forrest driving and Bob there for moral support.  We got a ball hitch
to
fit my trailer, then went south to pick it up.  After dropping Bob &
Forrest
off at home Robert & I finished our journey home with Bob's mondo new race
van.  We made the 600 mile trip home from Roebling Roads near Savannah in
record time....31 hours.

Thanks to everybody who helped or offered to help us out of our
predicament.
This is truely why I love racing....the friends you make.  I love youse
guys!!!

Keener






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--- Robert Rapp <bob.rapp@XXXXXX> wrote:
> And what's the law regarding helmets and mopeds? 

Here's Virginia.  No helmet required unless your local
gov't decides otherwise.  Not sure about Maryland,
haven't looked.  


M-' 46.2-914. Limitations on operation of mopeds. 
No moped shall be driven on any highway or public
vehicular area (i) faster than thirty miles per hour
or (ii) by any person under the age of sixteen. 

M-' 46.2-915.2. Ordinances providing for certain safety
equipment for mopeds; effect of violation; penalty. 

The governing body of any county, city, or town may,
by ordinance, provide that every person operating a
moped, as defined in M-' 46.2-100, on a public street or
highway shall wear a face shield, safety glasses, or
goggles of a type approved by the Superintendent or
have his moped equipped with safety glass or a
windshield at all times while operating such vehicle,
and operators and passengers thereon, if any, shall
wear protective helmets of a type approved by the
Superintendent. A violation of any such ordinance
shall not constitute negligence, be considered in
mitigation of damages of whatever nature, be
admissible in evidence or be the subject of comment by
counsel in any action for the recovery of damages
arising out of the operation, ownership, or
maintenance of a moped or motor vehicle, nor shall
anything in this section change any existing law,
rule, or procedure pertaining to any such civil
action. Any person who knowingly violates any such
ordinance shall be guilty of a traffic infraction and
be subject to a fine of not more than fifty dollars. 



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In a message dated 6/26/01 1:59:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gvensko@XXXXXX 
writes:

> Easy with the free love big fellow, don't get your sombrero all mushy!!!

I got your Sombrero Paco!!!  :)

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Yo Quiero, flaming tequila!!!  or is that flaming hand???


                                                                             
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In a message dated 6/26/01 1:59:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
gvensko@XXXXXX
writes:

> Easy with the free love big fellow, don't get your sombrero all mushy!!!

I got your Sombrero Paco!!!  :)






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In a message dated 6/26/01 2:47:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gvensko@XXXXXX 
writes:

> Yo Quiero, flaming tequila!!!  or is that flaming hand???

George...are you trying to tell us that you are flaming?  Hmmmm....does 
Rhonda know?

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I just got back from the gap and was checking out the web site when I found
this article.  There's already been several deaths on the Dragon and Skyway
- this article might help keep things down a bit...

http://www.dealsgap.com/pace.html

-Calvin
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'84VF500F

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I would also want to check the tires closely. If they are way low on air,
they could exhibit slow turning behavior. Also if the tire is flat, ala lots
of straight line, and / or rear tire burn outs this could also slow the
turning considerably. Agree or not Brian?

Danny
'98 VTR
'99 SV  (race bike) battered for now...
Novice #903
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----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Roach <roach@XXXXXX>
To: George Cole <>
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Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: GMD Computrack R6 question


> On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, you wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Does anyone have any experience with GMD Computrack in Frederick?
>
> Yes
>
> > And do I need it?
>
> Probably not. If your bike has not been crashed, the frame is going to be
> PLENTY straight. There are lots of people winning club races on R6's that
> have not gone to computrack.
>
> If your damper is set at "med" (I assume you mean half way between
lightest
> and heaviest), you might try backing it out a couple clicks - depends on
how
> stiff the damper is. It should NOT being causing the bike to steer
slowly -
> it should only be stiff enough to reduce headshake and extreme inputs.
>
> A streetbike from the dealer is set up as a "compromise" from the
factory -
> enough to turn well, yet not extreme enough to become unstable. If the
bike
> is turning slowly without the damper turned up, you really want to drop
the
> front little by little to get it to where you want it. Try raising the
forks
> in the tripple clamps 2mm at a time, and see how you like the way the bike
> turns in. If you're having ground clearence problems (dragging the
fairings
> in corners) you want to investigate adding rear ride height - this also
has
> the advantage of making the bike steer quicker, but not as much as
adjusting
> the front and you want to keep the center of gravity as low as possible
> (ergo, adjust the front first).
>
> - Roach
>



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I want to got to Bike Night and assumed that I would find directions on the 
website, but no luck.
Where is Grevey's? 

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--- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote:
> I want to got to Bike Night and assumed that I would
> find directions on the 
> website, but no luck.
> Where is Grevey's? 

Grevey's is at the intersection of Gallows Rd. and Rt.
50 in the Giant Shopping Center.  Its right on the
road (Gallows side) behind a gas station.  Can't miss
the intersection.

=====
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On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Danny Thompson wrote:
> I would also want to check the tires closely. If they are way low on air,
> they could exhibit slow turning behavior. Also if the tire is flat, ala
> lots of straight line, and / or rear tire burn outs this could also slow
> the turning considerably. Agree or not Brian?

Very true. Too much air pressure in the tires will also make it steer like a 
truck.

At Taladega last month, a broken air guage caused me to go out on our 
endurance bike with ~50psi in the tires... let me tell you, that is NOT a fun 
experience. Luckily, I managed not to crash the thing. All it did was turn 
slow and spin up the rear :)

- Roach

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Tires are new, less then 200 miles and 1 track day. BT56SS 

I always check pressures. 30 30 on track 36 36 street

No burnouts..... 

I am starting to think the steering dampner is the culprit here.

George 


>>> "Danny Thompson" <dthompso1@XXXXXX> 06/26/01 03:27PM >>>
I would also want to check the tires closely. If they are way low on air,
they could exhibit slow turning behavior. Also if the tire is flat, ala lots
of straight line, and / or rear tire burn outs this could also slow the
turning considerably. Agree or not Brian?

Danny
'98 VTR
'99 SV  (race bike) battered for now...
Novice #903
www.onewayracing.org 

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----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Roach <roach@XXXXXX>
To: George Cole <>
Cc: <>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: GMD Computrack R6 question


> On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, you wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Does anyone have any experience with GMD Computrack in Frederick?
>
> Yes
>
> > And do I need it?
>
> Probably not. If your bike has not been crashed, the frame is going to be
> PLENTY straight. There are lots of people winning club races on R6's that
> have not gone to computrack.
>
> If your damper is set at "med" (I assume you mean half way between
lightest
> and heaviest), you might try backing it out a couple clicks - depends on
how
> stiff the damper is. It should NOT being causing the bike to steer
slowly -
> it should only be stiff enough to reduce headshake and extreme inputs.
>
> A streetbike from the dealer is set up as a "compromise" from the
factory -
> enough to turn well, yet not extreme enough to become unstable. If the
bike
> is turning slowly without the damper turned up, you really want to drop
the
> front little by little to get it to where you want it. Try raising the
forks
> in the tripple clamps 2mm at a time, and see how you like the way the bike
> turns in. If you're having ground clearence problems (dragging the
fairings
> in corners) you want to investigate adding rear ride height - this also
has
> the advantage of making the bike steer quicker, but not as much as
adjusting
> the front and you want to keep the center of gravity as low as possible
> (ergo, adjust the front first).
>
> - Roach
>




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The next day I went out to my bike, trying to convince myself that since it
cooled down from the night before, it should be alright.  The bike started
up right away and seemed to be running okay, so we my wife and me headed off
towards the hoot.

Since we wanted to make up some time, we decided to take 81 from Roanoke.
About 20 minutes after leaving the hotel, while on 81 my bike started acting
up.  It then quickly went from acting up to spewing oil all over the road
and dying.   I coasted the bike over to the right shoulder of the road, and
there I discovered a nice sized hole in the crankcase.  The engine had
thrown a rod.

With the help of a state trooper we got the bike loaded onto the back of the
truck.  Unfortunately my wife's leg got burned in the process (she's doing
fine).

Keith
CB700 Nighthawk S (dead engine)
Magna V30 (borrowed from my wife until I get a ride in working order)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---

Wow Keith, that pretty much sucks about your bike.  But glad to see you
pushed on anyway.

I've done the hoot a couple times.  The first year they had it and then a
couple years later with a planned relaxed ride down with Linda Tanner and my
non-riding friend Julio.  Julio decided to crash on US211, not more than an
hour from home.  Bad enough (not to him thank goodness) that he couldn't
make it.  LT and I felt kind of guilty going on, but we did it anyway >:)

Yeah, the hoot is pretty much about Gold Wings and Cruisers, but if you are
into pin-striping and trick paint work that's a great place to get it.  A
little tame for my tastes overall.

Todd (Springfield, VA)




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Well, if the bike has been covered and cared for, this is an excellent
price.  My first serious bike was a VT500 ('83).  Bought it for $1000 (only
3300 miles...YES) and rode it for another 45,000 before selling it.  Great
bike.  Bullet proof.

Todd (Springfield, VA)

====================================================
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 09:12:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Weaver <chris_vtr@XXXXXX>
Subject: FS: '86 Honda Shadow 500
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

The bike listed below belongs to one of my roommates.
He used it as a beginner bike, and he's recently
upgraded to a Magna 750. Our house is located in
Arlington. Please respond to him at the email below if
you have questions or would like to see the bike.

Chris Weaver


--- "Muh, Charlie" <charlie.muh@XXXXXX> wrote:
> '86 500VT Shadow
> ~24K miles.
> New Tires and battery.  Good starter bike.
> $1500 obo
> Work Tel:  202-223-8808
> Home Tel:  703-527-5535
> Email:     charlie.muh@XXXXXX



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From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 15:47:23 EDT
SubjectTo: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

In a message dated 6/25/2001 10:11:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
bernescut@XXXXXX writes:

> an R-1 with a turbocharger, 194 hp!


194 hp. on gravel?... A turbocharger on gravel?? Just the thought of it has
my anal sphincter up behind my belly button.


John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC
=============================================

ROTFLMAO!  Thanks man!

Todd (Springfield, VA)


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At 12:56 PM 6/26/01, Matthew Patton wrote:
> > >Indeed, whats the word on open-faced helmets? Are they
> > >less safe?
> >
> > Dale Earnhart didn't think so.
>
>oooh, that's low!! Having come back from the 'hoot and the TN masses 
>sporting #3, such a comment would have got you shot.

Why, thank you, sir!  Those are the most flattering words I've heard today. 8;)

-- Larry (whose family lives in the Great Redneck State of Georgia)
'01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco
'84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike)
'01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small 
emergency backup bike)





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I'm attending the MARRC racing school and a helping hand would be very nice to have. Or is there anyone else attending this session?
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Hey,
     Alright, you're on. My S&W 686 vs. your Colt Python. I'd like to see a
side x side comparo. But my Smitty is a cheater; 8" Magna-ported barrel and
all. I'll use my 060 half the time to even out the discrepancies.135 grain
SJ slugs all around OK? Great. You bring the thieves, I'll provide the
venue.
     By invitation only, 'natch.

Howard J. Koontz
2001 Harley Daidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard
1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project



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Subject: Biffie Helmet opinions

I was cruising the web looking for helmets at reasonable cost that I can use for racing purposes. Seems Biffie's are not only both DOT and Snell approved but they are 1/2 the price of my Shoei RF-800. Is there something I'm missing here?
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Hey,
     Oh. Oops. Upon re-reading I see you have a S&W too. Hmm. Well, the
offer still stands. We'll just have a "fan club" meeting instead.
     Can you legally transport a gun on a bike? I know you have to transport
the weapon and ammo separately, and one has to be locked up during transport
(generally the weapon), but how would you do this on a bike? Gun in the
saddle bags, ammo in the tank bag? Could I mount a rifle rack on my FLHT?
*Should* I mount a rifle rack on my FLHT? Aw, jeez, this'll keep me up
tonite. I thought fabricating a camera mount was going to be a challenge...
shows what I knew.

Howard


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> Hey,
>      Alright, you're on. My S&W 686 vs. your Colt Python. I'd like to see
a
> side x side comparo. But my Smitty is a cheater; 8" Magna-ported barrel
and
> all. I'll use my 060 half the time to even out the discrepancies.135 grain
> SJ slugs all around OK? Great. You bring the thieves, I'll provide the
> venue.
>      By invitation only, 'natch.
>
> Howard J. Koontz
> 2001 Harley Daidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard
> 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project
>
>


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Hey,
     Alright, you're on. My S&W 686 vs. your Colt Python. I'd like to
see a
side x side comparo. But my Smitty is a cheater; 8" Magna-ported barrel
and
all. I'll use my 060 half the time to even out the discrepancies.135
grain
SJ slugs all around OK? Great. You bring the thieves, I'll provide the
venue.
     By invitation only, 'natch.

		Wow.  The gun thread lasted all day, and nobody whined about the
grossly inferior 'other' list ;-)



Dave Yates
'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
'97 Cobra #5148
http://www.radix.net/~sdave/



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You know, I live right near there and the moped riders constantly amaze me,
and not in a good way.  What's with the wearing of a helmet cocked back on
your head?  WTF?  It's not like traffic where I live is all that calm,
either!!! - Jeannette


    I saw 2 moped riders today....one on a nice Aprillia "$4,000 moped"
downtown riding around the mall with "no" helmet on....I watched for a
minute or so to make sure, nope not even a skull cap....and tonight after my
softball game I saw a delivery moped rider "huge food delivery trunk on
back" in Arlington with no helmet riding down 29.........have they passed a
law or just lucky the cops didn't see them?   later Les


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I found  the KBC Rush helmet to be perfect for my racing needs. It is DOT
and Snell approved, and it is as light or lighter than my Arai. Solid white
for $139 (from Angie at Jenspeed). My last one got me through my 90+ mph
flip, bounce, roll, tumble with no head problems at all (of course that may
be debatable depending on who you ask). It has been retired of course, but
that is the beauty of it, it didn't make me cry because I ruined a $500
helmet. It fits my head well and while I sacrifice a little ventilation and
noise, for a helmet that may be need to be replaced more than I like to
think, it does the job, and does it satisfactorily as far as safety is
concerned.
Danny
'98 VTR
'99 SV  (race bike) battered for now...
Novice #903
www.onewayracing.org

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:32 PM
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> I was cruising the web looking for helmets at reasonable cost that I can
use for racing purposes. Seems Biffie's are not only both DOT and Snell
approved but they are 1/2 the price of my Shoei RF-800. Is there something
I'm missing here?
> --



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Sorry for the broadcast, but Linda posted an URL for a tire outlet a few
days ago, and I inadvertently deleted the message.

If Linda or another could e-mail me with the URL, it would be appreciated.

Michael J.



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Thanks for all that made it to Bike Night.  We had a
great showing, especially for a Tuesday night.

Next one, TBD at CarPool in Arlington......

Mark

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I had a great time at Bike Night last night. Saw a
bunch of cool bikes including a Ducati 900 Darmah,
more Monsters than I've seen in one place before, a
couple of SVs, a LOT of other VTRs, the usual large
number of VFRs, a KLR650, a couple of UJMs, and a lot
of late-model sportbikes and cruisers. A few folks had
some interesting aftermarket modifications, such as
the guy with the strobe lights on his BMW that he used
for working bicycle races.

Thanks again to Mark and Chuck for arranging for these
events. Good on ya!

Cheers,
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Methinks a rifle holster similar to the ones the cowbots used on horses would be
wway cool.  You'd have to get the position right for a quick left hand draw, and
use one of them lever action rifles you can reload by flipping it.  Yippee-
kii-yeeeaah!

Bill

Howard J. Koontz wrote:

> Hey,
>      Oh. Oops. Upon re-reading I see you have a S&W too. Hmm. Well, the
> offer still stands. We'll just have a "fan club" meeting instead.
>      Can you legally transport a gun on a bike? I know you have to transport
> the weapon and ammo separately, and one has to be locked up during transport
> (generally the weapon), but how would you do this on a bike? Gun in the
> saddle bags, ammo in the tank bag? Could I mount a rifle rack on my FLHT?
> *Should* I mount a rifle rack on my FLHT? Aw, jeez, this'll keep me up
> tonite. I thought fabricating a camera mount was going to be a challenge...
> shows what I knew.
>
> Howard
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Howard J. Koontz <HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX>
> To: <hcaldwell@XXXXXX>
> Cc: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:33 PM
> Subject: "Silencer" is a mis-nomer...
>
> > Hey,
> >      Alright, you're on. My S&W 686 vs. your Colt Python. I'd like to see
> a
> > side x side comparo. But my Smitty is a cheater; 8" Magna-ported barrel
> and
> > all. I'll use my 060 half the time to even out the discrepancies.135 grain
> > SJ slugs all around OK? Great. You bring the thieves, I'll provide the
> > venue.
> >      By invitation only, 'natch.
> >
> > Howard J. Koontz
> > 2001 Harley Daidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard
> > 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project
> >
> >


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Just want to extend my thanks to all those who came to Bike Night last
night too.  I didn't do a bike count (Mark???), but looks like we had a
very good crowd.  Sorry I got there a little late and had to leave on
the early side.  I know I didn't get a chance to say "Hi!" to everyone I
wanted to, but it was good to see everyone there.  I hope everyone had a
fun time.

For those of you who were hoping to see/meet my new daughter, Marin ...
Karen will bring her the next time we do Bike Night at CarPool in
Arlington.  It's easier logistically for us (since we live in
Arlington).  And it will be on a weekend (Sunday) so it's easier for us
from a schedule standpoint too.

We'll be at Grevey's again on Tuesday, July 17th.  Mark is working on a
date in July for CarPool.  Keep checking the website
http://www.geocities.com/bikenight.

Chuck, aka Deerhunter
'93 FZR600 in stealth mode

Mark Kitchell wrote:
> 
> Thanks for all that made it to Bike Night.  We had a
> great showing, especially for a Tuesday night.
> 
> Next one, TBD at CarPool in Arlington......
> 
> Mark
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Hey Matt,
 I'll be racing that weekend and a good friend of mine is attending the roadracing school that weekend also. Your welcome to join us if you would like. We'll be there with a CBR F4, Honda RS125, and an Aprilia RS250. We try to get there earily friday evening to get a spot close to the cold pit enterence.

Scott Luttrell
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---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
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>I'm attending the MARRC racing school and a helping hand would be very nice to have. Or is there anyone else attending this session?
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That would be www.discountmotorcycletire.com

LindaT.
Custom TankBags
Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital)
99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 
95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...)
00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing 
http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner

Jordan, Michael said:

Sorry for the broadcast, but Linda posted an URL for a tire outlet a few
days ago, and I inadvertently deleted the message.

If Linda or another could e-mail me with the URL, it would be appreciated.

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Thanks for sponsoring it, guys!  :-)
I had a great time, too, and Grevey's is so convenient
for me!  :-)

BTW, nice seeing so many women on bikes last night!  I
think that's the most I've seen at a bike event around
here in a long time!  Go girls!  :-)
I really, really want those Dainese leathers I saw on
one woman...someone wanna donate some $$?  ;-)

- Jeannette
  '86 VFR 700 F2
  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

--- Chuck Pena <cvkgpena@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Just want to extend my thanks to all those who came
> to Bike Night last
> night too.  I didn't do a bike count (Mark???), but
> looks like we had a
> very good crowd.  Sorry I got there a little late
> and had to leave on
> the early side.  I know I didn't get a chance to say
> "Hi!" to everyone I
> wanted to, but it was good to see everyone there.  I
> hope everyone had a
> fun time.
> 
> For those of you who were hoping to see/meet my new
> daughter, Marin ...
> Karen will bring her the next time we do Bike Night
> at CarPool in
> Arlington.  It's easier logistically for us (since
> we live in
> Arlington).  And it will be on a weekend (Sunday) so
> it's easier for us
> from a schedule standpoint too.
> 
> We'll be at Grevey's again on Tuesday, July 17th. 
> Mark is working on a
> date in July for CarPool.  Keep checking the website
> http://www.geocities.com/bikenight.
> 
> Chuck, aka Deerhunter
> '93 FZR600 in stealth mode
> 


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In a message dated 6/26/2001 10:42:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX writes:

> *Should* I mount a rifle rack on my FLHT?

Yea.
The tricky part is cutting a small hole in the windshield to poke the barrel 
thru.


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Sounds like Judy LaFollette (sp?). She had the Duck
748.

Chris

--- Jeannette <gingerdc9@XXXXXX> wrote:
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> on
> one woman...someone wanna donate some $$?  ;-)



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Yeah yeah! AWESOME leathers!  They would match my bike
perfectly!  ;-)
Actually, I've always been partial to Dainese, but
they're so $$$.  One day...

- Jeannette
  '86 VFR 700 F2
  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

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> 748.
> 
> Chris
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Many thanks to all who responded to my query about a specific type of summer glove.  While none matched exactly, I found some great gloves.

Chris Norloff


The winners are: 

-Roadgear's Summer Riding Gloves http://www.roadgear.com/gloves.html 
-Olympia's Sportster 1 http://www.olympiagloves.com/Pg06PerfGloves.jpg 
     or Perforated Gel http://www.olympiagloves.com/Pg05PerfGloves.jpg 
-Vanson's Indianapolis or Sporty http://www.vansonleathers.com/store/glove_collection.asp 

Web sites (in no particluar order):
http://www.motorcyclegearreview.com/
http://www.roadgear.com
http://www.olympiagloves.com
http://www.vansonleathers.com
http://www.alpinestars.com/alpinestars.html
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http://www.thurlowleatherworld.com/


---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- 
>> 1. all leather 
>> 2. full-fingered (fingers covered) 
>> 3. vented 
>> 4. short (no gauntlet) 
>> 5. positive retention - preferably a strap across 
>> the back of the wrist. 
>> 6. not black - tan preferred. 
>> 7. Available in size 2XL 


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> BTW, nice seeing so many women on bikes last night!  I
> think that's the most I've seen at a bike event around
> here in a long time!  Go girls!  :-)

I agree.  Definitely a lot more girls out there...that's great to see.

Thanks Chuck and Mark.  It was a great time, as always!!!!!

Laura





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Anyone have any clue about the condition of this road from Frederick through
Hagerstown/Uniontown/Washington, PA, for motorcycling?  I'm heading out to
Wheeling, WV this weekend and wanted to avoid (as much as possible) the
interstates, especially that ghastly Pennsylvania Turnpike!   Suggestions
for alternate, alternate routes are welcome.

Thanks!!!!  

Sally
'01 YZF600R



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1985 FJ1100
http://www.fj1100.com/85fj1100.jpg

EXCELLENT CONDITION
Less than 500 miles since
Valves adjusted
Brake and clutch fluids flushed
New caliper seals
New brake pads
New Ohlins rear shock

Tires have about 75% left
Zero-Gravity Windscreen
V&H SS2-R Headers
Jetted, V&H Advance
Painted in IMRON
Full service manual

$2800



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Subject: Modular Helmets and Sound systems
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I've been thinking about getting a modular (flip-front) helmet for some 
time, and after reading the review in MCN, I'm thinking about getting a 
Nolan. I've always liked their price, but wasn't sure about the quality. 
Judging by the review, it doesn't seem worth paying twice as much for the 
Shoei or Schubert, even though they are very nice. I know that some listers 
have modular helmets, and I'd like to hear how they're working in the real 
world. My main interest would be for summer riding, especially commuting. I 
still like my Shoei full face, but would like the option of a flip front.

In addition, I think I'm going to have to give in and get some sounds. One 
thing that I miss is being able to get traffic reports during commuting. 
Other than that, having access to CB could be fun, and the ability to listen 
to music, either on FM or with a CD/MD, would be nice. The key factor here 
is ease of use and convenience. It also wouldn't hurt if the system would 
allow communication with my wife when she's riding with me, on her bike. I 
want to be able to use the system whether I'm on the Concours, or the ZX-6. 
I don't necessarily want to be tied to a tank bag solution, because when I 
use a tank bag, it's because I'm touring and need to carry touring gear. I 
don't particularly like to commute with a tank bag, other than to carry 
street shoes and rain gear when I ride the ZX-6. So, I'm wondering what kind 
of things people are using, especially with modular helmets, and how well 
they work.

Perry

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It is an excellent article indeed and it has appeared in a variety of
on-line venues.  In my estimation it's an excellent philosophy for
"spirited"
group riding on the public roads, especially the emphasis on control over
absolute speed.  The best line in there is "any gomer can twist a throttle."
Required reading in my view.

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F

----- Original Message -----
From: Ledford, Calvin <cledford@XXXXXX>

> I just got back from the gap and was checking out the web site when I
found
> this article.  There's already been several deaths on the Dragon and
Skyway
> - this article might help keep things down a bit...
>
> http://www.dealsgap.com/pace.html
>
> -Calvin
> '00VFR800
> '84VF500F
>



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Subject: Re: Modular Helmets and Sound systems
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--- Perry Coleman <perrycoleman@XXXXXX> wrote:
> I've been thinking about getting a modular
> (flip-front) helmet for some 
> time, and after reading the review in MCN, I'm
> thinking about getting a 
> Nolan. 
. . .
> In addition, I think I'm going to have to give in
> and get some sounds. 

I've got a J&M full face headset with mike in my old
Nolan N-100 and a Chatterbox full face headset in the
new Nolan N-100.  Both headset mfr's will tell you
that their set will not work in a flip front helmet. 
I've got them connected to a CB with add-on AM/FM.

Of the two, the J&M was easier to install.  The J&M
has a longer microphone cord, so there is a bit more
room to install it.  I routed the mike cord so that it
is nearly tight with the chinbar either up or down. 
When the chin bar moves, the cord stays out of the way
inside the chin bar but generally outside the helmet.

In both cases, the microphone had to be mounted
slightly off center, the cord wasn't long enough to
put it exactly in the middle of the chin bar.

With a total of over 100K miles on these two helmets,
neither headset has failed.  Either would be a good
choice.

Leon.


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This came accross the Triumph Trophy list.

The Ride to Work Organisation holds an annual,
nationwide, 'Ride To 
Work' day on the third Wednesday in July -- this year,
July 18th. 
This is, I believe, their tenth annual RTW event.

This is really a nationwide demonstration to show 
a) The public and politicians how many of us ride.
b) That we come from all walks of life (not just
1%rs).
c) We reduce traffic in congested areas Vs. all being
in cages.
d) That motorcycles serve for transport AND
recreation.

Ths Mission of the group overall (i.e.year-round) is
to "Advocate and 
Support the increased use of motorcycles for
transportation, and to 
provide information about transportation riding to
motorcyclists and 
to the public."

More information is on their website
www.ridetowork.org


Trey
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Leon,

Thanks for the feedback. Coming from you, that's a strong statement for the 
Nolan! Can you tell me a little more about your CB/AM/FM unit. Is that one 
of those units that clips on the side of the helmet? If not, how/where did 
you mount it? Of course, I've seen pictures of your "dash" and you could 
mount a TV there... ;^)

Perry

>From: Leon Begeman <mriderleon@XXXXXX>
>To: Perry Coleman <perrycoleman@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX
>Subject: Re: Modular Helmets and Sound systems
>Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 07:22:17 -0700 (PDT)
>
>--- Perry Coleman <perrycoleman@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > I've been thinking about getting a modular
> > (flip-front) helmet for some
> > time, and after reading the review in MCN, I'm
> > thinking about getting a
> > Nolan.
>. . .
> > In addition, I think I'm going to have to give in
> > and get some sounds.
>
>I've got a J&M full face headset with mike in my old
>Nolan N-100 and a Chatterbox full face headset in the
>new Nolan N-100.  Both headset mfr's will tell you
>that their set will not work in a flip front helmet.
>I've got them connected to a CB with add-on AM/FM.
>
>Of the two, the J&M was easier to install.  The J&M
>has a longer microphone cord, so there is a bit more
>room to install it.  I routed the mike cord so that it
>is nearly tight with the chinbar either up or down.
>When the chin bar moves, the cord stays out of the way
>inside the chin bar but generally outside the helmet.
>
>In both cases, the microphone had to be mounted
>slightly off center, the cord wasn't long enough to
>put it exactly in the middle of the chin bar.
>
>With a total of over 100K miles on these two helmets,
>neither headset has failed.  Either would be a good
>choice.
>
>Leon.
>
>
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--- Perry Coleman <perrycoleman@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Can you tell me a little more about your
> CB/AM/FM unit. Is that one 
> of those units that clips on the side of the helmet?

Current setup is a Chatterbox HJC-27A.  It appears to
be a handheld CB that's been adapted for use with some
of their standard audio adapters and headsets.

+++ Cheap.  The whole setup for one bike is under
$200.  This doesn't include the AM/FM, but any
standard audio output that uses a 1/8" audio plug will
work fine with it.  I just use a battery powered AM/FM
radio with it.

+++ Adaptable.  They've got intercom that works with
it which will allow the passenger to have a separate
volume control.  This setup also allows the passenger
to hear and participate in CB conversations.

--- With this particular setup, you cannot talk to
your passenger without also broadcasting on the CB.

--- CB transmissions are not muted, your own voice is
fed back through the speakers when you transmit.

--- The headset cannot be used without the CB, on the
J&M, it's easy to build an adapter to use just the
AM/FM radio on a different bike.  

Leon.

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When I go home to Carmichaels, PA (about 10 miles from Uniontown) I go 270 to Frederick.  Get onto 70 towards Hagerstown.  Then get on 68 West(?).  Then get on 40 at the Keysers Ridge exit number 14B.  Follow 40 to Uniontown and then home.  

I was just up there on the bike a couple weeks ago and the roads were in pretty good shape.  Only construction was the exit onto 70 at Frederick but, it was still managable.  Don't know what the road conditions are on Alternate Route 40.

I didn't think there was anyone in this area who knew where Uniontown and "Little Washington" were.

Scooter

In a message dated Wed, 27 Jun 2001  9:55:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Wood, Sally" <swood@XXXXXX> writes:

<< Anyone have any clue about the condition of this road from Frederick through
Hagerstown/Uniontown/Washington, PA, for motorcycling?  I'm heading out to
Wheeling, WV this weekend and wanted to avoid (as much as possible) the
interstates, especially that ghastly Pennsylvania Turnpike!   Suggestions
for alternate, alternate routes are welcome.

Thanks!!!!  

Sally
'01 YZF600R


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This is a SHOWROOM condition 1995 GSXR1100W. Blue and white. Bike has only 
4800 total miles. I purchased it from a 47 year old original owner who 
babied it for 3200 miles. I've continued the maintenance and taken perfect 
care since only using Amsoil Syn racing fluids. Redline radiator additive, 
etc. New tires..have 1500 miles front and rear. This bike is perfect, real 
head stopper. Has been jetted and Yoshimura header/exhaust. Tank bra 
included. Needless to say this bike is smokin fast, it will rival all 
current 2001 1000cc's and up. This bike will go fast, you won't find a more 
clean 1100.
  I want $5500 for it to sell fast. Blue Book is $6005.

If you are interested or know anyone that may be please forward this email.  
Bike is located in Baltimore, MD.  I'm selling b/c I want a full-time track 
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If you want to be able to use the system on either bike, then you just about
stuck with some sort of bag configuration.  I have two different setups for
my F3 and R1100RT.  On the F3, everything is in a tank bag with the
appropriate wires going in/out like power and  antenna in and headset and
PTT out.  I can't use VOX as I talk too much while I'm riding and really
don't want everyone to hear my critiques on others driving habits and
probable lineage.  See my website in my sig for a description of the Bionic
Tankbag.

The RT, OTOH, has a 'glove box' that is perfect for the CB and various other
items, so it's all wired appropriately with only the headset, the cb remote
control and md input coming out.  The md player won't work in the glove box
as it bounces too much, but works perfectly in the tank bag (which is also
wired for power and has two BMW sockets on the outside to power my heated
gear and whatever else I want.  The wired md remote comes out of the bag and
attaches to the cb remote, so I have all the controls close by my left hand.
It's pretty slick, IMHO.

I always travel with the tankbag, but that's me.  The Bionic Tankbag has
straps to act as a backpack so I can carry it with me easily.  The RT bag
just hides in a side case if I decide that it has to go somewhere.

If you have storage on both bikes, you can set up something like I have on
the RT, if not you're gonna need some sort of bag.

I use the CB for bike-to-bike, but FRS is a good alternative as well.  And I
hear that phone input is possible as well.  I just don't want to be THAT
wired, I guess.

LindaT.
Custom TankBags
Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital)
99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy
95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...)
00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing
http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner

Perry Coleman asked:
 (snippage)
In addition, I think I'm going to have to give in and get some sounds. One
thing that I miss is being able to get traffic reports during commuting.
Other than that, having access to CB could be fun, and the ability to listen
to music, either on FM or with a CD/MD, would be nice. The key factor here
is ease of use and convenience. It also wouldn't hurt if the system would
allow communication with my wife when she's riding with me, on her bike. I
want to be able to use the system whether I'm on the Concours, or the ZX-6.
I don't necessarily want to be tied to a tank bag solution, because when I
use a tank bag, it's because I'm touring and need to carry touring gear. I
don't particularly like to commute with a tank bag, other than to carry
street shoes and rain gear when I ride the ZX-6. So, I'm wondering what kind
of things people are using, especially with modular helmets, and how well
they work.


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I'm seeing Nolan N100's ranging from about $98-$118 at Motorcycle Accessory 
Warehouse. Anyone bought anything from them recently? Do they have their act 
together?

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There are agencies that deal with this.  Insurance companies are very afraid
of these agencies as they may lose license to operate in state for too many
complaints.

Maryland has Maryland Insurance Administration.

There is some information on VA DMV(http://www.dmv.state.va.us) site, and
one link that I found is http://www.ican2000.com/index.shtml  They have
various FAQ on how to deal with insurances in each state.

Try them out.  Usually, a simple mention of complaining to insurance company
will get things rolling.


Genna Melamed
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> I'm having a difficult time settling a collision claim with Progressive
and
> thought I'd see if anyone one on the list has had a similar problem and
what
> can be done about it.  Last October, I low sided (left side) and
Progressive
> totaled the bike.  Anyone who has damaged their VFR knows the cost to
> replace the plastic is often higher than the book value of the bike.
Well,
> I bought the bike back for the book value less salvage value.  Standard
> procedure, no problems.  I did all the work myself in putting the bike
back
> into like-new condition.  Since I shopped extensively for the lowest
prices
> on parts and did the labor myself, I managed to pocket a substantial
amount
> of the settlement.  If I had taken my bike to a dealer for repair, it
would
> certainly have cost me the entire settlement amount.  This month I had
> another minor get off and busted up the plastic on the right side this
time.
> Now Progressive wants documentation (receipts, invoices, etc) to prove
that
> the bike was properly repaired from the last claim before they'll settle
on
> the current claim.  I've collected receipts from vendors and have provided
> as many receipts as I could obtain, but they want proof I spent as much to
> repair the bike as I was paid in the settlement.  Progressive has the
damage
> report from the October accident with pictures.  They took pictures again
> for the current claim and therefore have visual evidence that all the left
> side damage was repaired.  In spite of the photo evidence of repair, they
> are still not satisfied and want to reduce my current settlement by some
> amount based on what I didn't spend for the October repairs.  Can they
> legally do this or are they just trying to intimidate me to save
themselves
> $$$?
>
> Steve
> Warrenton, VA
> ' 95 VFR
>


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Oops! My bad!

The Nolans I saw the price were NOT the N100. The N100's are running about 
$170.

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US40 is great! But even more fun is MD-144 all the way past Cumberland. And if you're running very late you can always hop onto I-68 to cover some distance.

US 19??? from Uniontown to Pittsburgh is also fun but traffic gets progressively heavier and becomes a pain.
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From: "Matthew Patton
> I was cruising the web looking for helmets at reasonable cost that I can
> use for racing purposes. Seems Biffie's are not only both DOT and Snell
> approved but they are 1/2 the price of my Shoei RF-800. Is there something
> I'm missing here?


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> From: "Matthew Patton
> > I was cruising the web looking for helmets at reasonable cost that I can
> > use for racing purposes. Seems Biffie's are not only both DOT and Snell
> > approved but they are 1/2 the price of my Shoei RF-800. Is there
something
> > I'm missing here?

If you look at most helmet manufacturer's Web sites, you'll see that they
each have a range of models with at least a 2/1 price range that generally
have the same DOT and Snell approvals. This is true within the Biffie line
as well.

My guess is that manufacturers submit shells (rather than specific models)
for testing, and the same shell may be used for multiple models. Anyone know
for sure?

-- Larry
(www.tennisbooks.com)
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'84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike)
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The latest MCN (Motorcycle Consumer News) has an exhaustive piece on helmet
testing for those folks curious about it.  In the case of DOT there is no
"submission" of helmets at all.  Testing is done by the manufacturers
themselves on the honor system.  DOT does pull a random selection of helmets
in an entire size range off retail shelves to do independent testing to keep
everyone honest.  Fines are stiff for cheaters.

Snell does its own testing.

Paul in DC
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>
> If you look at most helmet manufacturer's Web sites, you'll see that they
> each have a range of models with at least a 2/1 price range that generally
> have the same DOT and Snell approvals. This is true within the Biffie line
> as well.
>
> My guess is that manufacturers submit shells (rather than specific models)
> for testing, and the same shell may be used for multiple models. Anyone
know
> for sure?
>
> -- Larry



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---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Perry Coleman" <perrycoleman@XXXXXX>
>...Motorcycle Accessory 
>Warehouse. Anyone bought anything from them recently? Do they have their act 
>together?

Well, I just ordered a pair of gloves from them yesterday, so I'll give you blow by blow details.  The last I heard was from a guy who said he and his wife ran the website for ordering, which was different from ordering via the phone lines ... and better.

We'll see ...

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DCC'ers,

With all the talk of women riders at BikeNight (sorry we
missed it, getting the bikes ready for a little trip 
to Oregon on Friday) - y'all might get a kick out of
my wife's post to the Moron list today.  :)

Horkster
-- 
> Every now and again - I get these strange trips home or coming to work -
> today was real interesting.   It all happened on the 14th Street Bridge
> going across the Potomac into DC.  Anyways, it was wall to wall cars and
> there was this BMW that pull right up beside me - I didn't think nothing
> of it because cars always do that to me.  Then this fella leans out the
> window and I thought great - going to be killed on a bridge (I hate
> bridges) - but he leans out and asks me to marry him -
> Being ever so quick to think - I said "huh?" - the let him know I was
> already married.
> He then says that he thinks women who ride their own bikes are so hot -
> and since they can handle that much power between their legs, they have
> to be great at other things too.  He just has to marry a woman who can
> ride.
> All I could do is smile - said my husband feels the same way and good
> luck in finding a woman who rides who wants to marry him.
> What else could I say?
> 
> The Red Level Ozone must be getting to every one in DC today.
> 
> --
> Tracy Horstman
> Dale City, VA  22193
> 1999 Kawasaki Concours - GPNEHI
> "People Are More Violently Opposed to Fur than Leather Because It's
> Easier to Harass Rich Women than Motorcycle Gangs"

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Every now and again - I get these strange trips home or coming to work -
today was real interesting.   It all happened on the 14th Street Bridge
going across the Potomac into DC.  Anyways, it was wall to wall cars and
there was this BMW that pull right up beside me - I didn't think nothing
of it because cars always do that to me.  Then this fella leans out the
window and I thought great - going to be killed on a bridge (I hate
bridges) - but he leans out and asks me to marry him -
Being ever so quick to think - I said "huh?" - the let him know I was
already married.
He then says that he thinks women who ride their own bikes are so hot -
and since they can handle that much power between their legs, they have
to be great at other things too.  He just has to marry a woman who can
ride.
All I could do is smile - said my husband feels the same way and good
luck in finding a woman who rides who wants to marry him.
What else could I say?

The Red Level Ozone must be getting to every one in DC today.

--
Tracy Horstman
Dale City, VA  22193
1999 Kawasaki Concours - GPNEHI
"People Are More Violently Opposed to Fur than Leather Because It's
Easier to Harass Rich Women than Motorcycle Gangs"



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From: Dale Horstman <the.horkster@XXXXXX>
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Perry Coleman wrote:
> 
> I'm seeing Nolan N100's ranging from about $98-$118 at Motorcycle Accessory
> Warehouse. Anyone bought anything from them recently? Do they have their act
> together?

Ordered 4 tires, brake pads, and some air filters from them in
the latest "no shipping charges" day they had, Jul 14th.  Got the tires and
the filters already, and a note that the brake pads were on backorder,
and will be cancelled if not filled within 30 days.  I guess they've
got a handle on things.

I've always gotten what I've ordered from them, eventually.  Sometimes
quickly, sometimes not.  No real complaints, though.

Horkster
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Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth       
 
'98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer  
'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 
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First, here's another thanks to Chuck and Mark for setting up last =
night's event.

One suggestion, though: We were three relative newbies (list readers for =
about a year, on 1100RT, VTR, and Falco) to dc-cycles who wandered out =
to our first bike night, and we had a good time kibitzing over the =
bikes, but found it hard to figure out who was who. There were a few =
from the list we recognized by putting together two plus two from =
posting sigs, license plates, etc., but not many. We recognized Chuck =
and spoke with him briefly about his bike, but never did figure out who =
Mark was. We kept expecting someone to sort of stand up and say =
something, but it didn't happen before we left around 8pm.

It would be great for the newbies at future events if you could come up =
with some way of introducing attendees or identifying riders with their =
bikes, some sort of Who's Who in Zooville.

-- Larry
(www.tennisbooks.com)
'01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco
'84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike)
'01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small
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We will require nametags at the next Bike Night! %^)

Chuck

> Dexter Medley wrote <SNIP>:
> 
> It would be great for the newbies at future events if you could come
> up with some way of introducing attendees or identifying riders with
> their bikes, some sort of Who's Who in Zooville.

-- 
"Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai
visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas

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From: "Chris claims, "I'm looking for specific summer gloves, and can't find
them - any help out there? Name-brand and a place to get them would really
help."

1. all leather  [elk?]
2. full-fingered (fingers covered) [yup]
3. vented [see below]
4. short (no gauntlet) [short, ~ 3 cm]
5. positive retention - preferably a strap across the back of the wrist.
[see below]
6. not black - tan preferred. [yup]
7. Available in size 2XL [hmmm, maybe]
It must be a lot to ask!  Any ideas? [see below]

Except for the venting and strap the $20 Elk Skins at Wally Mart. 
o	A leather punch, piece of wood, and 15 minutes should supply the
venting.
o	Go to Home Despot and buy a pack of Velcro straps (~$5.00) 
Aw shucks now I've given away my favorite motorcycle accessories stores.  

FWIW: The gloves got a thorough soaking last Friday on the BRP south of
Asheville. After they dried, they were soft. 
Similar gloves from RiderWearHouse ($37+) needed oiling. 
I've had the WM gloves over a year. 

Carl in Bethesda

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documentation.  Just produce the correct documentation and you should be
able to get a fair settlement.
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WV 250 toward Boyer had an interesting collection of summat.
Looked like cinders but lordy how my tires bumped and slid on em. 
Felt like rough ball bearing rejects. 
Some corners had em at the beginning (O.K. go easy)
Some corners had em at the end, out of sight from the entrance. (whoo boy)
 
But 250 rocks

Carl in Bethesda

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	I'm posting this for a coworker who has to quit riding
due to medical reasons. If you're interested contact him at
a.lucero@XXXXXX. I've also got a picture of the bike that
I can send to anyone who is interested.

> 1995 R1100RS(L), sky blue, garage-kept and scrupulously maintained; just
> broken in at 42,000 miles. 
> *	8 valve electronically managed fuel injection 
> *	90 hp, 0-60 in 3 seconds or so; top speed 150 mph or so; 
> *	front and rear ventilated disc brakes, each wheel equipped with ABS
> (can be easily disabled for conditions that warrant) 
> *	heated grips, two power outlets for accessories 
> *	perfect fairing with incredible wide-beam headlamp for large-field
> night time illumination, even at low-beam; 
> *	easily adjustable windshield that gives you wind when you want it
> and keeps the wind off you when you don't; 
> *	catalytic converter muffler for clean, quite riding, 
> *	radically adjustable handlebars-allowing anywhere from race-stance
> to sit-straight-up standard 
> *	smooth shifting five speed with shaft drive; 
> *	top of the line Metzler tires with maybe 500 total miles on them; 
> *	large, adjustable, comfortable seat, perfect for a female rider on
> back and already with the attachment frame in case hard luggage carriers
> are needed; 
> *	toolkit with flat fixer and compressed air canisters, with two
> helmets thrown in. 
> *	Price: $9000 (cheap)
> 


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At 1:31 PM -0400 6/27/01, Dale Horstman wrote:
>I've always gotten what I've ordered from them, eventually.  Sometimes
>quickly, sometimes not.  No real complaints, though.

Same here. I usually order from MAW or Campetition Accessories. 
They've both been fairly reliable. CompAcc's prices are competitive 
if you're an AMA member and get the 10% discount, but MAW is cheaper 
if you aren't.

-john

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hcaldwell wrote:
 to anyone who is interested.
> 
> > 1995 R1100RS(L),
> > *     90 hp, 0-60 in 3 seconds or so; top speed 150 mph or so;

Really?  I didn't think the R-bikes were all that quick (or fast)...

> > *     Price: $9000 (cheap)

I snicker at the Beemer guys' concept of cheap.  :)

Horkster (I *know* cheap, and that ain't cheap)
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Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX  AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done.
Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth       
 
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Headed for Suches on Thursday morning, I wanted to try some of WV's roads
and did.  But, I headed back to the BRP Thursday night for the second day
and found a new motorcycle campground just off the BRP between Floyd and
Fancy Gap on US 58. 
http://www.geocities.com/willvillemc/
At about half way twixt here and The Gap/Suches/Cherohala it's a convenient
distance for us pokey folks.
He just opened it last year so, the word hasn't gotten around.  Thursday
night, I was his only guest. 
Showers and bathroom were clean.  You could adjust both water flow and
temperature (didn't have to hang on to a %$#@ string to get scalded or
frozen.) 
All the tenting spots were level, grassy, shady, and free of roots. (Four
stars!)
There is a porch and a sheltered area (for a rainy day repair?)
The owner is friendly*, owns a ST1100, and knows the roads. 
	*Friendlier than the BRMC's former management (duh), even nicer that
the good folks at Cherokee, but not as cute as J at T.W.O. 
Tent space rent includes a biscuit (w/sausage or chicken) and coffee in the
morning. 
I left Friday morning before he was stirring so he owes me two biscuits next
time. :^)

Carl in Bethesda

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Perry Coleman wrote:
> 
> Leon,
> 
> Thanks for the feedback. Coming from you, that's a strong statement for the
> Nolan! Can you tell me a little more about your CB/AM/FM unit. Is that one
> of those units that clips on the side of the helmet? If not, how/where did
> you mount it? Of course, I've seen pictures of your "dash" and you could
> mount a TV there... ;^)

Leon helped me rig up a junction box for my el cheapo car CB radio
and a walkman-type AM/FM cassette radio last year.  Plug the helmet cord 
and walkman into the junction box.  Flip a switch one way, and you've got 
stereo sound from the walkman.  Flip it the other way, and you've got the 
walkman in one ear, and CB in the other (CB is mono anyway, so who needs it
in both ears?).  Flip another switch on the box if you want to transmit
on the CB.  It's been weathertight and reliable for daily commuting and
occasional long-distance IBA-style rides.  Total costs for the junction
box is about $20 in parts from Radio Shack.  Add in costs for headset, 
cord, CB, antenna, mount, and walkman.  Lots of fine-wire soldering
involved, 
not bad when you get used to it.  FM reception with the walkman is only
so-so, 
I've been looking for better solutions there, but I'm happy with everything
else.

I have most of the bugs worked out of a second one I made for Tracy's
bike.  Only problem I'm having now is that there is a lot of feedback
when she tries to transmit over the CB.  Haven't figured out why just
yet.  It appears that the wiring for each junction box will be dependent
on the configuration of the CB radio, there is no one-size-fits-all
solution.

I've had lots of requests from the COG list for more info, diagrams,
etc.  Once I get Tracy's horkbox figured out (hopefully soon, we leave
Friday), I'll be better prepared to release info and answer questions.

Horkster

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From: Dale Horstman <the.horkster@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: ride to work day
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Trey Herb wrote:
> 
> This came accross the Triumph Trophy list.
> 
> The Ride to Work Organisation holds an annual,
> nationwide, 'Ride To
> Work' day on the third Wednesday in July -- this year,
> July 18th.
>> <snip>
> More information is on their website
> www.ridetowork.org

Anyone up for a DC-Cycles "Ride to Lunch" event on
that day?  I'm thinking the Burger King on Route 7
in Sterling, (or maybe even Grevey's) would be a
good central gathering spot.  Other easy-access 
location suggestions welcomed. Fast food would probably
be better, since we'll probably all end up in the
parking lot BSing anyway.  :)

Horkster

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'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 
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From: Jeannette <gingerdc9@XXXXXX>
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I'd be up for Grevey's, but Sterling is a bit of a
hike for me on lunch break...

- Jeannette 
  '86 VFR 700 F2
  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

--- Dale Horstman <the.horkster@XXXXXX> wrote:
> 
> 
> Anyone up for a DC-Cycles "Ride to Lunch" event on
> that day?  I'm thinking the Burger King on Route 7
> in Sterling, (or maybe even Grevey's) would be a
> good central gathering spot.  Other easy-access 
> location suggestions welcomed. Fast food would
> probably
> be better, since we'll probably all end up in the
> parking lot BSing anyway.  :)
> 
> Horkster
> 
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>  
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I just returned the Brosh jacket and armor I ordered.  I would say that if 
you use this jacket without the armor you might as well be wearing a long 
sleave t-shirt. And the armor only protects your lower arms and shoulders. 
My only accident damaged my leather jacket on the the back shoulder (not 
top) and upper and lower arms. Only my lower arm would have been adequately 
protected in the Brosh jacket. Even though its a bargain at $107.00 (not 
$100.00) for the jacket and armor, I think you're better off dumping a 
bucket of water over your head and putting on perfed or vented leather -- or 
a padded textile jacket with vents.

In addition to the lack of protection, my jacket came with several loose 
threads in the seems and when I inserted the armor into the right sleeve 
armor pocket, the seam in the armor pocket gave out.

No, I wouldn't trust this in a crash. So don't waste your money on this one 
folks.  I'm trying a black Phoenix, because the gray one seems to be 
unavailable!


>From: "DOC" <David@XXXXXX>
>To: ipcrc@XXXXXX
>Subject: PC800: Good Jacket
>Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 00:43:42 -0000
>
>Someone else may have posted this but, since I can't recall, I will
>also.
>
>Just bought a Joe Rocket Phoenix jacket on sat.  Sunday rode in about
>70 degrees, it was a little cool but not enuf to make me put on my
>rain jacket over it. Today, it was about 90 degrees and it felt
>great. It really is better than riding in a tee shirt. I got the grey-
>black so I didn't bake. The jacket keeps the sun off and the
>ventilation lets the air thru so I think it is cooler than not
>wearing it.
>
>I really think this is a jacket I will use all summer. It kept me
>cool today but, snapping up the sleeves made it ok at 70 degrees. I
>can also fit my gortex rain jacket over it if night temps drop lower.
>It has tons of padding and gives me the sense (maybe false) of some
>security should I (God forbid) meet the pavement.
>
>Cost was $129 at a local honda dealer. I highly recommend it. My
>buddy with me when I bought it was wearing the Brosh. He likes the
>brosh but after trying the Joe Rocket said he wished he waited. The
>Brosh with some armor (not the back) was $100.
>
>Ride Safe
>
>DOC
>

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Jeannette wrote:
> 
> I'd be up for Grevey's, but Sterling is a bit of a
> hike for me on lunch break...

Sterling is a stretch for me, too.  Rt 28 seems to
be a real parking lot lately...and they want to move
us to Ashburn, from Chantilly.  Yikes.  :(

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In a message dated 6/27/01 3:34:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
the.horkster@XXXXXX writes:

> Anyone up for a DC-Cycles "Ride to Lunch" event on
>  that day?  I'm thinking the Burger King on Route 7
>  in Sterling, (or maybe even Grevey's) would be a
>  good central gathering spot.  Other easy-access 
>  location suggestions welcomed. Fast food would probably
>  be better, since we'll probably all end up in the
>  parking lot BSing anyway.  :)

Right around the croner from work for me.  :-))

Keener

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> Sterling is a stretch for me, too.  Rt 28 seems to
>  be a real parking lot lately...and they want to move
>  us to Ashburn, from Chantilly.  Yikes.  :(
  
Go out RT 50 about 4 miles west of where rt 28 crosses it.  Pick up 606.  It 
goes behind the airport.  Nice road.  If you need to get to Ashburn from 
there....hmmm...get off near the US Postal facility and come out on Waxpool.  
I did the reverse yesterday to avoid the RT28 traffic on the way to Greavy's.

Keener

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Dale,

This is a GREAT idea!  Maybe we ought to have several different "ride to
lunch" locations throughout the area (i.e., one in Northern VA, one in
DC, and one in MD).  Personally, I like your idea of Grevey's.  Anyone
else???  We will have just had a Bike Night there the night before too! 
And FYI, a link to Ride to Work has been on the Bike Night website for
quite a while now.

Chuck

Dale Horstman wrote:
>  
> Anyone up for a DC-Cycles "Ride to Lunch" event on
> that day?  I'm thinking the Burger King on Route 7
> in Sterling, (or maybe even Grevey's) would be a
> good central gathering spot.  Other easy-access
> location suggestions welcomed. Fast food would probably
> be better, since we'll probably all end up in the
> parking lot BSing anyway.  :)

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I work right near The Rock. They seem pretty bike
friendly. How about there.

--- Chuck Pena <cvkgpena@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Dale,
> 
> This is a GREAT idea!  Maybe we ought to have
> several different "ride to
> lunch" locations throughout the area (i.e., one in
> Northern VA, one in
> DC, and one in MD).  Personally, I like your idea of
> Grevey's.  Anyone
> else???  We will have just had a Bike Night there
> the night before too! 
> And FYI, a link to Ride to Work has been on the Bike
> Night website for
> quite a while now.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> Dale Horstman wrote:
> >  
> > Anyone up for a DC-Cycles "Ride to Lunch" event on
> > that day?  I'm thinking the Burger King on Route 7
> > in Sterling, (or maybe even Grevey's) would be a
> > good central gathering spot.  Other easy-access
> > location suggestions welcomed. Fast food would
> probably
> > be better, since we'll probably all end up in the
> > parking lot BSing anyway.  :)
> 
> -- 
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Doug Allis wrote:

> No, I wouldn't trust this in a crash. So don't waste your money on this one
> folks.  I'm trying a black Phoenix, because the gray one seems to be
> unavailable!

Motorcycle Factory, the new Honda/Kaw dealer on Prince William Parkway
in Woodbridge, had 3 or 4 of of the gray ones as of last week when I
was in there.  Not sure how well the nylon mesh would protect either,
but I imagine it'd be really cool (temp-wise) while moving.  Those
tacky "Joe Rocket" decals have got to go, though.  Buy a seam ripper 
while you are at it.  :)

Horkster

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Well, I'm currently back at the Herndon office, so Sterling isn't so bad. 
Grevey's might be a bit much at lunch, though.

Of course, since this thing started (like 10 years ago) I've only 
particpated 3 times, I think. I'm usually out of town, or something, and 
don't have my bike. I've had times when I rode almost every day in July, 
except the RTW day. <sigh>

Perry

>From: Dale Horstman <the.horkster@XXXXXX>
>To: Trey Herb <trey_22206@XXXXXX>
>CC: DC-Cycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
>Subject: Re: ride to work day
>Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 15:33:05 -0400
>
>Trey Herb wrote:
> >
> > This came accross the Triumph Trophy list.
> >
> > The Ride to Work Organisation holds an annual,
> > nationwide, 'Ride To
> > Work' day on the third Wednesday in July -- this year,
> > July 18th.
> >> <snip>
> > More information is on their website
> > www.ridetowork.org
>
>Anyone up for a DC-Cycles "Ride to Lunch" event on
>that day?  I'm thinking the Burger King on Route 7
>in Sterling, (or maybe even Grevey's) would be a
>good central gathering spot.  Other easy-access
>location suggestions welcomed. Fast food would probably
>be better, since we'll probably all end up in the
>parking lot BSing anyway.  :)
>
>Horkster
>
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From: Dale Horstman <the.horkster@XXXXXX>
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Chuck Pena wrote:
> 
> Dale,
> 
> This is a GREAT idea!  Maybe we ought to have several different "ride to
> lunch" locations throughout the area (i.e., one in Northern VA, one in
> DC, and one in MD).  Personally, I like your idea of Grevey's.  Anyone
> else???  We will have just had a Bike Night there the night before too!

Oh, cool!  I might be able to make that BikeNight.
Greveys is easy for me to get to, coming from Chantilly.  Hop on 28,
grab 66, exit at the beltway, stay in the offramp to pick up the exit
for 50, and bingo, I'm there.

I like the idea of having several different "ride to lunch" locations,
scattered across the DC area.  Get out and meet your fellow riders.
Maybe even stir up a lurker or two.  It's always nice putting faces
to names and email addresses.

> And FYI, a link to Ride to Work has been on the Bike Night website for
> quite a while now.

I consider myself a "daily" rider (except weekends, which are 
hit or miss with the wife, kids, dogs, and household projects
competing for my time) but for one reason or another, I think I've
missed the last 4 RideToWork days (vacation, out sick, business travel,
etc.)  It's almost a running joke now.  No promises, but I'm gonna 
try real hard to make this one.  :)

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Perry Coleman wrote:

> Of course, since this thing started (like 10 years ago) I've only
> particpated 3 times, I think. I'm usually out of town, or something, and
> don't have my bike. I've had times when I rode almost every day in July,
> except the RTW day. <sigh>

I know exactly how you feel, I've missed the last 4 RTW days.

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This may sound like a silly question, but is it possible to bend the drive
shaft (or whatever it's called that turns the front sprocket) with a too
tight chain?  

I'm wondering if I hit something hard enough to dent the front rim, if it's
possible that the sudden tension on the rear wheel/swing-arm/chain could
bend something as well?  My chain is on the tightish side - near the minimum
stated in the owners guide.

I don't know if it's even possible to do such damage, but I thought I should
check to see.  This may sound silly, but the thought occurred to me, so I
checked the chain, and it's a little looser in some areas then others.  I've
heard that it could be a stuck link (don't see one), to the natural way a
chain works - a little looser here then there... (Not sure if this makes any
sense - just repeating what I heard...)

I ride a 2000 model VFR800 for those of you not on the VFR list...

-Calvin

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Dale et al...

Let's at least make Grevey's in Falls Church one "official" ride to
lunch location for Ride to Work Day on July 18th.  Is noon OK?  I will
add this info to the Bike Night website if there's some
consensus/critical mass to do it.  Let me know.

I know Grevey's won't be convenient for everyone (not even in VA), so
I'd like to encourage other folks to organize some other lunch meeting
places for that day.  I will be happy to add this info to the Bike Night
website also.  Just need the name of the establishment, address, phone
number, web link/URL (if they have one), and what time.

Chuck

Dale Horstman wrote:
> 
> I like the idea of having several different "ride to lunch" locations,
> scattered across the DC area.  Get out and meet your fellow riders.
> Maybe even stir up a lurker or two.  It's always nice putting faces
> to names and email addresses.

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Trey,

Are you willing to take the ball and run with to "organize" something at
The Rock?  I think that would be a good place for those in DC.  Let me
know.  Per my other email to the list, I will post info on the Bike
Night website.

Chuck

Trey Herb wrote:
> 
> I work right near The Rock. They seem pretty bike
> friendly. How about there.

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> Motorcycle Factory, the new Honda/Kaw dealer on Prince William Parkway
> in Woodbridge, had 3 or 4 of of the gray ones as of last week when I
> was in there.  

So did PowerRude.

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Chuck Pena wrote:
> 
> Dale et al...
> 
> Let's at least make Grevey's in Falls Church one "official" ride to
> lunch location for Ride to Work Day on July 18th.  Is noon OK?  

Sounds good to me.

> I know Grevey's won't be convenient for everyone (not even in VA), so
> I'd like to encourage other folks to organize some other lunch meeting
> places for that day.  

Sounds good, too.

Dale

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Who would be interested in something in the city? I
vote for The Rock at noon.

Any takers?

Other suggestions are encouraged Hell we could take
over the old ebbit grill for all I care.

Trey
--- Chuck Pena <cvkgpena@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Dale et al...
> 
> Let's at least make Grevey's in Falls Church one
> "official" ride to
> lunch location for Ride to Work Day on July 18th. 
> Is noon OK?  I will
> add this info to the Bike Night website if there's
> some
> consensus/critical mass to do it.  Let me know.
> 
> I know Grevey's won't be convenient for everyone
> (not even in VA), so
> I'd like to encourage other folks to organize some
> other lunch meeting
> places for that day.  I will be happy to add this
> info to the Bike Night
> website also.  Just need the name of the
> establishment, address, phone
> number, web link/URL (if they have one), and what
> time.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> Dale Horstman wrote:
> > 
> > I like the idea of having several different "ride
> to lunch" locations,
> > scattered across the DC area.  Get out and meet
> your fellow riders.
> > Maybe even stir up a lurker or two.  It's always
> nice putting faces
> > to names and email addresses.
> 
> -- 
> "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai
> visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas


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I will run with it who should I speak with at The
Rock? 

--- Chuck Pena <cvkgpena@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Trey,
> 
> Are you willing to take the ball and run with to
> "organize" something at
> The Rock?  I think that would be a good place for
> those in DC.  Let me
> know.  Per my other email to the list, I will post
> info on the Bike
> Night website.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> Trey Herb wrote:
> > 
> > I work right near The Rock. They seem pretty bike
> > friendly. How about there.
> 
> -- 
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At 04:18 PM 6/27/01, you wrote:
>Dale et al...
>
>Let's at least make Grevey's in Falls Church one "official" ride to
>lunch location for Ride to Work Day on July 18th.  Is noon OK?  I will
>add this info to the Bike Night website if there's some
>consensus/critical mass to do it.  Let me know.


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Dexter Medley wrote:

> So did PowerRude.

Oh, you mean PoserRide.  :)

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'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi 
'82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress

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From: Jeannette <gingerdc9@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: ride to lunch day
To: Troutman <mike@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX
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Tom & I will be there, too! :-)
(...or at least I will!)  :-)

- Jeannette
  '86 VFR 700 F2
  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

--- Troutman <mike@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > I can make that!
> 
> 
> ___________________________________________
> 
>      Mike Troutman
>           http://www.troutman.org
> 
> 


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From: Glenn Dysart <glenn_dysart@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Any recent experience with MAW?
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I was going to talk about MAW...  of all the
complaining of MAW everyone has had (except myself)...
 I never had a problem with them the 10+ years I've
been buying stuff for them.  Anyhow, I ordered a chain
and a disc lock last Wednesday and via regular UPS
ground it was at my door Monday afternoon.

YMMV

Glenn

--- Perry Coleman <perrycoleman@XXXXXX> wrote:
> I'm seeing Nolan N100's ranging from about $98-$118
> at Motorcycle Accessory 
> Warehouse. Anyone bought anything from them
> recently? Do they have their act 
> together?
> 
> Perry
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I'm forwarding this from the Adventure Touring list. Maybe someone here is
interested:

   Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:28:00 -0400
   From: "Emil W. King" <sule_obasi@XXXXXX>
Subject: Seeking KLR650,DR600/650,XT600

I'm in search of a used (say...1985-1994) KLR650, DR600/650, or XT500/600
for a poor, non-profit enviro slave as a source of (relatively) cleaner and
(relatively) reliable city and highway/adventuretourer transportation. My
'92 Serow was recently stolen and I'd like to upgrade to something more
practical.

Price is negotiable but I am just out of college with limited budget. Did I
mention I work at a non-profit? Near Washington, DC if possible, or a
500-mile radius. Willing to fly and ride home (hey, "adventure" WOULD be my
middle name if I had made the decision).

Please reply to this message or emil@XXXXXX

Thanks.

Emil
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--- "Ledford, Calvin" <cledford@XXXXXX> wrote:
> 
> This may sound like a silly question, but is it possible to bend the
> drive shaft (or whatever it's called that turns the front sprocket) with
> a too tight chain?

 Well, that would be pretty extreme. Most likely, with a too-tight chain,
you would see the output shaft bearing fail, probably taking the output
shaft seal with it as well. Not a pretty sight. Best bet: don't go there
and never run the chain too tight.

 RM   


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In a message dated 6/27/01 4:13:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cledford@XXXXXX 
writes:

<< This may sound like a silly question, but is it possible to bend the drive
 shaft (or whatever it's called that turns the front sprocket) with a too
 tight chain? >>

Yes, it is one of the most common causes.  Manufacturer's often recommend 
much too tight chain play.  I usually double what they say.

Fred

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The previous owner of my Viffer had the chain waaaay too tight, which made
for clunky shifts and a noisy chain when I first got it.  I put the stack in
the mid to upper end of specified range and it's much happier now.  You have
to consider the whole range of swingarm travel when adjusting the chain and
pay attention to the manual.  On the VFR at least the slack is measured with
the wheel on the ground, not on the centerstand.

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F
http://users.erols.com/pawilson
----- Original Message -----
From: <Boiade@XXXXXX>


> In a message dated 6/27/01 4:13:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
cledford@XXXXXX
> writes:
>
> << This may sound like a silly question, but is it possible to bend the
drive
>  shaft (or whatever it's called that turns the front sprocket) with a too
>  tight chain? >>
>
> Yes, it is one of the most common causes.  Manufacturer's often recommend
> much too tight chain play.  I usually double what they say.
>
> Fred
>


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From: "LindaT." <ljtanner@XXXXXX>
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Subject: RE: FW: BMW R1100RS(L)  For Sale (fwd)
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I think he's being a bit optimistic about the top end.  My RT tops out at
125 or so with the same engine but different gearing.

YMMV

LindaT.
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Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital)
99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy
95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...)
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Dale Horstman  said:

hcaldwell wrote:
 to anyone who is interested.
>
> > 1995 R1100RS(L),
> > *     90 hp, 0-60 in 3 seconds or so; top speed 150 mph or so;

Really?  I didn't think the R-bikes were all that quick (or fast)...



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I have added "Ride to Lunch Day" to the Bike Night website.  So far, the
only location on the list is Grevey's in Falls Church at noon on
Wednesday, July 18th.  If you have another location to add (and I hope
other people organize meeting places so that as many people on the list
as possible can participate), send me an email directly with all the
info.  Thanx!

Chuck

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Subject: Re: Fw: "Silencer" is a mis-nomer...
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Kinda like a "Fill your hands, you sonnavabitch!" kinda moment?

Howard
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> Methinks a rifle holster similar to the ones the cowbots used on horses
would be
> wway cool.  You'd have to get the position right for a quick left hand
draw, and
> use one of them lever action rifles you can reload by flipping it.
Yippee-
> kii-yeeeaah!
>
> Bill
>
> Howard J. Koontz wrote:
>
> > Hey,
> >      Oh. Oops. Upon re-reading I see you have a S&W too. Hmm. Well, the
> > offer still stands. We'll just have a "fan club" meeting instead.
> >      Can you legally transport a gun on a bike? I know you have to
transport
> > the weapon and ammo separately, and one has to be locked up during
transport
> > (generally the weapon), but how would you do this on a bike? Gun in the
> > saddle bags, ammo in the tank bag? Could I mount a rifle rack on my
FLHT?
> > *Should* I mount a rifle rack on my FLHT? Aw, jeez, this'll keep me up
> > tonite. I thought fabricating a camera mount was going to be a
challenge...
> > shows what I knew.
> >
> > Howard
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Howard J. Koontz <HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX>
> > To: <hcaldwell@XXXXXX>
> > Cc: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:33 PM
> > Subject: "Silencer" is a mis-nomer...
> >
> > > Hey,
> > >      Alright, you're on. My S&W 686 vs. your Colt Python. I'd like to
see
> > a
> > > side x side comparo. But my Smitty is a cheater; 8" Magna-ported
barrel
> > and
> > > all. I'll use my 060 half the time to even out the discrepancies.135
grain
> > > SJ slugs all around OK? Great. You bring the thieves, I'll provide the
> > > venue.
> > >      By invitation only, 'natch.
> > >
> > > Howard J. Koontz
> > > 2001 Harley Daidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard
> > > 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project
> > >
> > >
>


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On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, LindaT. wrote:

> I think he's being a bit optimistic about the top end.  My RT tops out at
> 125 or so with the same engine but different gearing.
> 
	The guys a writer and not particularly technical. His numbers
may be a bit inflated.

Hugh


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Subject: Re: "Alternate" Route 40 - Western Maryland
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>Anyone have any clue about the condition of this road from Frederick
through
>Hagerstown/Uniontown/Washington, PA, for motorcycling?  I'm heading out to
>Wheeling, WV this weekend and wanted to avoid (as much as possible) the
>interstates, especially that ghastly Pennsylvania Turnpike!   Suggestions
>for alternate, alternate routes are welcome.
>
>Thanks!!!!
>
>Sally
>'01 YZF600R

By all means, take 40 Alt. It's great, at least, better than super-slabbing
all the way. Once you get west of Hagerstown, you have to re-join I-70 in
sections, like right before Hancock, then again after "the big cut", Sidling
Hill. 40/144 between Sidling Hill and Rocky Gap is a pretty nice stretch of
raod. Then getting through Cumberland can get confusing if you don't read
the signs.
Once you get into or near PA, Rt. 30 parallels the PA Pike for a lot of the
way, albeit out of the way sometimes. Maybe get to the exit right before
Cumberland (exit # 40-something, help me out, y'all), anyway, it's 220
North. Take 220 north to Bedford, then head west on 30. Or go a little
farther west on 144/40 thru western MD and take 51 north up to WV. Really,
just get a map and follow the black squiggle roads, stay away from the bold
red roads.


Howard J. Koontz
2001 Harley Daidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard
1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project


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Anyone else registered for Track Day at VIR this
Saturday?

http://www.cornerspeed.net/up_events.html

Just curious. I'm heading up Friday with Truck,
trailer, and bike. Might have room for one more bike.

-Corbett

'99 BMW K1200RS

=====
-Corbett 
'99 BMW K1200RS
AMA Member 
BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member

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I'd recommend Rt 9 in Virginia, which will get you to Paw Paw (speed trap
there) WV.  From there, take 51-west. If you're not in a hurry take the
first gravel road north (right) and spend the next couple of hours
zigzagging north and west (compass/gps handy, but you'll eventually reach
either MD-144, US-40 or I-68---but remember that these are almost all
gravel or dirt (don't do these if it's been raining) roads.) Otherwise
take the first paved road north (Town Creek Rd, I think), maybe 10 miles
west of Paw Paw. This gets you to I-68 etc, too, a few miles east of
Cumberland. 

--garcia

On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, Wood, Sally wrote:

> Anyone have any clue about the condition of this road from Frederick through
> Hagerstown/Uniontown/Washington, PA, for motorcycling?  I'm heading out to
> Wheeling, WV this weekend and wanted to avoid (as much as possible) the
> interstates, especially that ghastly Pennsylvania Turnpike!   Suggestions
> for alternate, alternate routes are welcome.
> 
> Thanks!!!!  
> 
> Sally
> '01 YZF600R
> 
> 

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One of mine just died---anyone got one for sale? This is for a 4-cylinder 
Suzuki, but I'd guess that any of them would work.

Thanks.

--garcia

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A couple people asked about what certs the Boxer had.  This is the response I got back from one of the dealers I checked out.  Thought I'd pass it on for anyone interested.

Scooter

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I know several of us are around the Shady Grove area.
How about Fingers and Claws in Muddy Branch Shopping
Center?

Matt

--- Chuck Pena <cvkgpena@XXXXXX> wrote:
> I have added "Ride to Lunch Day" to the Bike Night
> website.  So far, the
> only location on the list is Grevey's in Falls
> Church at noon on
> Wednesday, July 18th.  If you have another location
> to add (and I hope
> other people organize meeting places so that as many
> people on the list
> as possible can participate), send me an email
> directly with all the
> info.  Thanx!
> 
> Chuck
> 
> -- 
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Grevey's is a done-deal as a "Ride to Lunch" location.  BTW, that just
means that we're all agreeing to ride our scoots to Grevey's and have
lunch.  It is not a "formal" event a la Bike Night.  I will talk to
Kevin and let him know about it, but it's not like I'm making a
reservation or asking them to set aside a bunch of tables.

I know Trey is going to try and do something similar at The Rock in DC. 
Anyone on the list want to try for a MD location?  Bethesda area maybe? 
I think it would be nice to have at least one each in VA, DC, and MD.  I
think a second location in VA and MD wouldn't be a bad idea.  But it
shouldn't be too close to one that's already set up, e.g., since we've
already agreed on Grevey's I wouldn't pick CarPool.  Let me know ASAP so
I can post the info on the Bike Night website.  Thanx!

Chuck

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At 11:30 AM 6/27/01 -0400, Genna Melamed wrote:
>There are agencies that deal with this.  Insurance companies are very afraid
>of these agencies as they may lose license to operate in state for too many
>complaints.

	The above is another urban myth about insurance companies.  Actually, the
oppsite is true.  Allstate pulled out of some years ago NJ after the NJ
dept of Ins tried to stong arm.  They sent letters out all their policy
holders telling them they can't offer insurance to them anymore due to the
adversial relationship of the NJ dept of ins.  There was a hugh public
uproar.  Cause many problems.  Ins depts have very little power, and spend
most of it trying to keep the peace.


>Try them out.  Usually, a simple mention of complaining to insurance company
>will get things rolling.


	Oh, boy.  As someone who has worked as an adjuster for more than 11 years,
I can tell you that nothing is further from the truth.  When I have a
disagreement with someone it is because they have a unreasonable
expectation, mentioning that they plan on contacting a state organization
or, even better, a attorney, is something I look forward to.  Why?  Then I
don't have to waste my time explaining what insurance policies cover to
some idiot who has not read their policy.  Better still, as a matter of
law, once they are represented by counsel, I cannot speak directly with
them, and politely tell them to call their attorney when they call me.  

	Its like a magic wand is waived and hours of tediously explaining reality
to someone who has a over-inflated sense of self entitlement disappears.  I
wish all difficult claimant would get attorneys.

	The one thing that may "get the ball rolling" if you are having a problem
is talking to a manager.  This is not because of what is right or wrong,
the front line stiffs like me are making the correct calls on stuff, but
rather that mid or upper level management will make a business choice if
having to listen to some guy wine is worth the $ saved by strict adherence
to the policy or law.  Public relations also enter into it on that level, I
suppose, but for the grunt in the trenches, it is a non-sequitur. 	

	S

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Trey Herb wrote:

Who would be interested in something in the city? I vote for The Rock at noon.  Any takers?

I can do The Rock at noon.

Other suggestions are encouraged Hell we could take over the old ebbit grill for all I care.

I could also do this as well.

Judy


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I agree 100%.  The so-called state insurance overseers have zippo power and even less
motivation.  Many moons ago New York Life Ins proceeded to screw me and I bitched to
the VA insurance folks.  Reply in short - so sad, too bad, we aren't interested in
handling your complaint because we didn't see any wrongdoing by NYL.  A few years
later I recieved notification from the New York Superior Court.  NYL  was getting sued
- class action, and they lost.  So much for no wrongdoing.  Save tax money, fire all
those dickless wonders in the VA insurance commision.

Oh yeah, and never do bizz with NYL - cheating buggers.

Bill

Stephen Harris wrote:

> At 11:30 AM 6/27/01 -0400, Genna Melamed wrote:
> >There are agencies that deal with this.  Insurance companies are very afraid
> >of these agencies as they may lose license to operate in state for too many
> >complaints.
>
>         The above is another urban myth about insurance companies.  Actually, the
> oppsite is true.  Allstate pulled out of some years ago NJ after the NJ
> dept of Ins tried to stong arm.  They sent letters out all their policy
> holders telling them they can't offer insurance to them anymore due to the
> adversial relationship of the NJ dept of ins.  There was a hugh public
> uproar.  Cause many problems.  Ins depts have very little power, and spend
> most of it trying to keep the peace.
>
> >Try them out.  Usually, a simple mention of complaining to insurance company
> >will get things rolling.
>
>         Oh, boy.  As someone who has worked as an adjuster for more than 11 years,
> I can tell you that nothing is further from the truth.  When I have a
> disagreement with someone it is because they have a unreasonable
> expectation, mentioning that they plan on contacting a state organization
> or, even better, a attorney, is something I look forward to.  Why?  Then I
> don't have to waste my time explaining what insurance policies cover to
> some idiot who has not read their policy.  Better still, as a matter of
> law, once they are represented by counsel, I cannot speak directly with
> them, and politely tell them to call their attorney when they call me.
>
>         Its like a magic wand is waived and hours of tediously explaining reality
> to someone who has a over-inflated sense of self entitlement disappears.  I
> wish all difficult claimant would get attorneys.
>
>         The one thing that may "get the ball rolling" if you are having a problem
> is talking to a manager.  This is not because of what is right or wrong,
> the front line stiffs like me are making the correct calls on stuff, but
> rather that mid or upper level management will make a business choice if
> having to listen to some guy wine is worth the $ saved by strict adherence
> to the policy or law.  Public relations also enter into it on that level, I
> suppose, but for the grunt in the trenches, it is a non-sequitur.
>
>         S
>
> Need a motorcycle related phone number or address?
> Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm


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Just to let y'all know that I've been in touch with Andy Goldfine who
"runs" Ride to Work.  Actually, I've gotten to know Andy relatively well
(via email) over the course of this year.  Anyway, he thinks it's a
"terrific" idea.

Chuck

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Steve,

I can't let this totally slip by without responding. With all due respect to 
your position and knowledge, I have seen where insurance companies will 
respond to pressure from the state insurance commission.

A few years ago, my insurance company tried to "non-renew" me. They cited a 
year-old ticket from another state for 9 mph over as the cause. I wrote them 
and pointed out that my policy allowed for one 1-9 mph violation each year 
without penalty. Yes, some of us do read the policy! I cc'ed my letter to 
the MD insurance commission. I received confirmation from MD in about a 
week, and a few days later received a letter from the insurance company 
stating that they were renewing my policy. And, oh by the way, it was going 
to cost less to insure my new Corvette than my 5 year old Audi GT.

Hmmm...what do you think? I think scum bag insurance company figuring that 
I'm too stupid to read my policy and not wanting to take less of my money. 
Or to do anything about it. You probably disagree, though. Insurance 
companies and their agents are largely only interested in separating us from 
our money - and NOT giving it back. Not always, mind you, but often 
enough... I won't even go into my experiences with trying to collect when 
someone else has hit my vehicle and the legal crap the adjusters will pull 
to get you to settle quickly. And sign away all future rights...

Perry


>From: Stephen Harris <harris@XXXXXX>
>To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
>Subject: Re: Insurance Problems
>Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 08:44:11 -0700
>
>At 11:30 AM 6/27/01 -0400, Genna Melamed wrote:
> >There are agencies that deal with this.  Insurance companies are very 
>afraid
> >of these agencies as they may lose license to operate in state for too 
>many
> >complaints.
>
>	The above is another urban myth about insurance companies.  Actually, the
>oppsite is true.  Allstate pulled out of some years ago NJ after the NJ
>dept of Ins tried to stong arm.  They sent letters out all their policy
>holders telling them they can't offer insurance to them anymore due to the
>adversial relationship of the NJ dept of ins.  There was a hugh public
>uproar.  Cause many problems.  Ins depts have very little power, and spend
>most of it trying to keep the peace.
>
>
> >Try them out.  Usually, a simple mention of complaining to insurance 
>company
> >will get things rolling.
>
>
>	Oh, boy.  As someone who has worked as an adjuster for more than 11 years,
>I can tell you that nothing is further from the truth.  When I have a
>disagreement with someone it is because they have a unreasonable
>expectation, mentioning that they plan on contacting a state organization
>or, even better, a attorney, is something I look forward to.  Why?  Then I
>don't have to waste my time explaining what insurance policies cover to
>some idiot who has not read their policy.  Better still, as a matter of
>law, once they are represented by counsel, I cannot speak directly with
>them, and politely tell them to call their attorney when they call me.
>
>	Its like a magic wand is waived and hours of tediously explaining reality
>to someone who has a over-inflated sense of self entitlement disappears.  I
>wish all difficult claimant would get attorneys.
>
>	The one thing that may "get the ball rolling" if you are having a problem
>is talking to a manager.  This is not because of what is right or wrong,
>the front line stiffs like me are making the correct calls on stuff, but
>rather that mid or upper level management will make a business choice if
>having to listen to some guy wine is worth the $ saved by strict adherence
>to the policy or law.  Public relations also enter into it on that level, I
>suppose, but for the grunt in the trenches, it is a non-sequitur.
>
>	S
>
>Need a motorcycle related phone number or address?
>Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm

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Hey Bill, don't mince words.  Tell us how you really feel! %^)

"William J. Huson" wrote <SNIP>:
> 
> - class action, and they lost.  So much for no wrongdoing.  Save tax money, fire all
> those dickless wonders in the VA insurance commision.
> 
> Oh yeah, and never do bizz with NYL - cheating buggers.

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Does anyone have pics from any of the Bike Nights this year (CarPool,
The Rock, Grevey's)?  If so, I'd like to borrow (if they're prints) or
get files (if they're digital) so I can post pics to the Bike Night
website.  Thanx!

Chuck

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At 08:59 AM 6/28/01 -0400, Perry Coleman wrote:
>Steve,
>
>A few years ago, my insurance company tried to "non-renew" me. They cited a 
>year-old ticket from another state for 9 mph over as the cause. I wrote them 
>and pointed out that my policy allowed for one 1-9 mph violation each year 
>without penalty. 

	Apples to oranges comparison, but your experience does not suprise me at
all.  Your problem was with the underwriting department, not the claims
department.  Now, before we review you problem, let me point out that the
folks who do policy renews (ie, review and renew a risk every year) are at
the bottom of the feeder chain in the insurance biz.  Recall my earlier
comments about people who likely do not have a high school education
reading from tele-prompters on the phone?  Please, don't interpret me as
defending the quality of work these folks do.  With that caveat, your
problem was due to a unfair review of your policy at renewal time.  This
happens quite a lot, as the internal oversights that the claims dept have
do not exist on the front end.  As the consumer, you did the right thing,
you read your policy (and can tell you that you are in a minority because
of this) and you complained & got it fixed.  Just the way it ought to be.
I don't know if you tried to get a senior underwriter on the phone before
you sent the letter to the Ins dept, but you likely would have gotten it
resolved with that as well.


>companies and their agents are largely only interested in separating us from 
>our money - and NOT giving it back. Not always, mind you, but often 


	Typical insurance bashing from someone who, I suspect, has never worked in
the industry.  Walk a mile in my shoes, pal.

	S

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What day is this?  Sorry, haven't been paying to close attention to it.  Since I work 10 blocks from my apartment, I don't ride to work.  I could make it to the Rock though seeing as it is about 2 blocks away from my office.

Scooter

In a message dated Thu, 28 Jun 2001  8:52:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Judy La Follette" <judy.lafollette@XXXXXX> writes:

<< Trey Herb wrote:

Who would be interested in something in the city? I vote for The Rock at noon.  Any takers?

I can do The Rock at noon.

Other suggestions are encouraged Hell we could take over the old ebbit grill for all I care.

I could also do this as well.

Judy

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> >A few years ago, my insurance company tried to "non-renew" me. They cited 
a 
>  >year-old ticket from another state for 9 mph over as the cause. I wrote 
them 
>  >and pointed out that my policy allowed for one 1-9 mph violation each 
year 
>  >without penalty. 

Damn....so back in college...when I had those three 20+ mph tickets....and 
those 5 claims for idiots trashing my new sportbikes....that I could have 
fought being dropped?  I mean...they only paid out something like 25K in 3 
years.  ;-))
  
>  >companies and their agents are largely only interested in separating us 
from 
>  >our money - and NOT giving it back. Not always, mind you, but often 
>  
>   Typical insurance bashing from someone who, I suspect, has never worked in
>  the industry.  Walk a mile in my shoes, pal.

1.  I don't want to go near ANY of Mr. Harris' clothes....thank you very much.
2.  Get a different insurance company.  I've actually had excellent dealings 
with every company I've had to claim against.  Whether it was my own of 
somebody else's.  I think the important point is to document everything.  
They obviously want to pay out the least amount possible to satisfy the 
claim.  It IS a business.  But they do have to satisfy it.

Keener  (Who hasn't had an accident that was his fault in many 
years...luckily.  Caveat....on the street.  :)    )
  

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Steve,

No, it is not an apples to orange comparison. It is indicative of the ethics 
and competence of the company involved, and maybe the industry as a whole. 
If I buy a computer from Dell and their sales person is pretty good, but 
their telephone support sucks, does that mean I can't complain about Dell's 
business practice? In fairness, the person who does good work deserves 
kudos, but the person who jerks me around is going to cause me to take my 
business elsewhere.

As for my bashing - I'm a consumer of insurance products. I pay my premiums 
on time, I file the occasional claim when necessary. And I get jerked 
around. Walk a mile in my shoes, pal.

I have no beef with you personally, but don't even try to defend the honor 
of the insurance industry with me. You're wasting your time, because I'm not 
buying it. I spend enough just paying the premiums...

I also think I've said way more on this topic than I ever intended.  Let's 
talk motorcycles.

Perry

>From: Stephen Harris <harris@XXXXXX>
>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
>Subject: Re: Insurance Problems
>Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 09:16:18 -0700
>
>At 08:59 AM 6/28/01 -0400, Perry Coleman wrote:
> >Steve,
> >
> >A few years ago, my insurance company tried to "non-renew" me. They cited 
>a
> >year-old ticket from another state for 9 mph over as the cause. I wrote 
>them
> >and pointed out that my policy allowed for one 1-9 mph violation each 
>year
> >without penalty.
>
>	Apples to oranges comparison, but your experience does not suprise me at
>all.  Your problem was with the underwriting department, not the claims
>department.  Now, before we review you problem, let me point out that the
>folks who do policy renews (ie, review and renew a risk every year) are at
>the bottom of the feeder chain in the insurance biz.  Recall my earlier
>comments about people who likely do not have a high school education
>reading from tele-prompters on the phone?  Please, don't interpret me as
>defending the quality of work these folks do.  With that caveat, your
>problem was due to a unfair review of your policy at renewal time.  This
>happens quite a lot, as the internal oversights that the claims dept have
>do not exist on the front end.  As the consumer, you did the right thing,
>you read your policy (and can tell you that you are in a minority because
>of this) and you complained & got it fixed.  Just the way it ought to be.
>I don't know if you tried to get a senior underwriter on the phone before
>you sent the letter to the Ins dept, but you likely would have gotten it
>resolved with that as well.
>
>
> >companies and their agents are largely only interested in separating us 
>from
> >our money - and NOT giving it back. Not always, mind you, but often
>
>
>	Typical insurance bashing from someone who, I suspect, has never worked in
>the industry.  Walk a mile in my shoes, pal.
>
>	S
>
>Need a motorcycle related phone number or address?
>Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm

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In a message dated 6/28/01 10:10:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
perrycoleman@XXXXXX writes:

> I also think I've said way more on this topic than I ever intended.  Let's 
>  talk motorcycles.

And then one time at band camp.....     ;-))

Keener

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It's difficult for even the "not-so-newbies" to know who is who, especially
when there is a great turn-out, as there was on Tuesday nite.  I kept asking
those I did know "Who's that?!  Who's that?!?!"  I was also, wondering if
any of the guys who post those surly messages on the list (and you know who
you are) were in attendence.  ;)



Then, Chuck Pena declared:  

We will require nametags at the next Bike Night! %^)


First, Dexter Medley wrote:

It would be great for the newbies at future events if you could come up with
some way of introducing attendees or identifying riders with their bikes,
some sort of Who's Who in Zooville.

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$199.00 !!!! YIKES  I called Powerslime Falls Church two days ago and they 
must have sold it despite the price!!!  Just goes to show you that either 
the law of supply and demand is right or there is a sucker born every 
minute.

I surfed the web and made a few phone calls. The gray jackets appear to be 
in very short supply, the black ones somewhat more available. MAW was the 
only place with a sales price below retail, but they had none in stock and 
were back ordered.  They couldn't give me a delivery date and I'm not sure 
I'd trust them if they did.

Honda of Millpitas (sp?) had only black, no sales tax and $9.00 shipping 
brought the total to $138 and change.  I've had good experiance with returns 
with them so I bought it.


>From: "Tom Fraser" <thfwsf@XXXXXX>
>To: "Doug Allis" <dhallis@XXXXXX>
>Subject: Re: Warm Weather Protection
>Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:54:26 -0000
>
>Doug,
>
>My Phoenix just came in today.  I can't wait to get home and try it
>out. I sure hope it's cooler than my First Gear Kenya jacket.  I find
>the Kenya does ok if you are moving.  But if you have have any stop
>and go, it does get hot rather quickly.
>
>BTW I found a large gray phoenix jacket at powerride in Falls Church
>for $199!!   I wonder if you tell them the suggested retail on the JR
>site is 129.95 if they would give you a price break.
>
>Tom Fraser
>Manassas, VA
>'89 PC800 "Singer"
>iPCRC #1001
>
>--- In ipcrc@y..., "Doug Allis" <dhallis@h...> wrote:
> > I just returned the Brosh jacket and armor I ordered.  I would say
>that if
> > you use this jacket without the armor you might as well be wearing
>a long
> > sleave t-shirt. And the armor only protects your lower arms and
>shoulders.
> > My only accident damaged my leather jacket on the the back shoulder
>(not
> > top) and upper and lower arms. Only my lower arm would have been
>adequately
> > protected in the Brosh jacket. Even though its a bargain at $107.00
>(not
> > $100.00) for the jacket and armor, I think you're better off
>dumping a
> > bucket of water over your head and putting on perfed or vented
>leather -- or
> > a padded textile jacket with vents.
> >
> > In addition to the lack of protection, my jacket came with several
>loose
> > threads in the seems and when I inserted the armor into the right
>sleeve
> > armor pocket, the seam in the armor pocket gave out.
> >
> > No, I wouldn't trust this in a crash. So don't waste your money on
>this one
> > folks.  I'm trying a black Phoenix, because the gray one seems to
>be
> > unavailable!
> >
> >
> > >From: "DOC" <David@w...>
> > >To: ipcrc@y...
> > >Subject: PC800: Good Jacket
> > >Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 00:43:42 -0000
> > >
> > >Someone else may have posted this but, since I can't recall, I will
> > >also.
> > >
> > >Just bought a Joe Rocket Phoenix jacket on sat.  Sunday rode in
>about
> > >70 degrees, it was a little cool but not enuf to make me put on my
> > >rain jacket over it. Today, it was about 90 degrees and it felt
> > >great. It really is better than riding in a tee shirt. I got the
>grey-
> > >black so I didn't bake. The jacket keeps the sun off and the
> > >ventilation lets the air thru so I think it is cooler than not
> > >wearing it.
> > >
> > >I really think this is a jacket I will use all summer. It kept me
> > >cool today but, snapping up the sleeves made it ok at 70 degrees. I
> > >can also fit my gortex rain jacket over it if night temps drop
>lower.
> > >It has tons of padding and gives me the sense (maybe false) of some
> > >security should I (God forbid) meet the pavement.
> > >
> > >Cost was $129 at a local honda dealer. I highly recommend it. My
> > >buddy with me when I bought it was wearing the Brosh. He likes the
> > >brosh but after trying the Joe Rocket said he wished he waited. The
> > >Brosh with some armor (not the back) was $100.
> > >
> > >Ride Safe
> > >
> > >DOC
> > >
> >
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At 10:07 AM 6/28/01 -0400, Perry Coleman wrote:
>If I buy a computer from Dell and their sales person is pretty good, but 
>their telephone support sucks, does that mean I can't complain about Dell's 
>business practice? 

	Yes.  It means you should rightly complain about their telephone support
of Dell and not demonize the entire personal computer industry because you
got shitty service from one department of one company.  Your comment
attempted to make a general statement about all insurance companies.  There
are wide variances in service not only between departments, but companies,
just like any other business.  


>As for my bashing - I'm a consumer of insurance products. I pay my premiums 
>on time, I file the occasional claim when necessary. And I get jerked 
>around. Walk a mile in my shoes, pal.

	Yours is but one person's experience, not sufficient to condemn an entire
industry with the broadly sweeping comments you made.  



>I have no beef with you personally, but don't even try to defend the honor 
>of the insurance industry with me. You're wasting your time, because I'm not 
>buying it. I spend enough just paying the premiums...

	The root of the problem.   You have a irrational belief that you are
adhering too despite reasonable evidence to the contrary.  Forgive me, but
you just don't know what you are talking about.



>I also think I've said way more on this topic than I ever intended.  Let's 
>talk motorcycles.

	"Last word, nenerer, nenerer, neeeeeenerer"  :-)

	S

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Well, I was there and I've written my share of surly
messages. ;^) I had one of the many VTRs. Mine was the
red one with the Sargent seat w/ red accent stripe. I
was wearing work clothes (khakis and short-sleeve
shirt) and left the same time as Chuck.

Ring any bells? :^)

Chris Weaver
VTR1000, YSR50


--- "Wood, Sally" <swood@XXXXXX> wrote:
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> was also, wondering if
> any of the guys who post those surly messages on the
> list (and you know who
> you are) were in attendence.  ;)


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> --- "Wood, Sally" <swood@XXXXXX> wrote:
>
>  > I was also, wondering if
>  > any of the guys who post those surly messages on the
>  > list (and you know who you are) were in attendence.  ;)  

Hmmmm...I don't know if I qualify as surly.  Maybe annoyed ocassionally.  :-)

I was there until about 9 pm.  Black firstgear jacket with red shoulders.  
Yes...It looks like a Michael Jackson jacket.  Riding a black/silver 
GSXR1000.  Maybe you saw me stuff my face....food flying everywhere.  :)

Keener

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LOL!!! 

 I rarely split but on occasion when I see another bike 10 or 20 car
lengths in front of me in the stop and go traffic on 355 in Bethesda.  I
just mosey on up next to the rider and say "Hi!".  I told my husband, Jay,
about this and he commented that they can't see my wedding ring underneath
my gloves! 

  
Every now and again - I get these strange trips home or coming to work -
today was real interesting.   It all happened on the 14th Street Bridge
<snip>
bridges) - but he leans out and asks me to marry him -
Being ever so quick to think - I said "huh?" - the let him know I was
already married.
He then says that he thinks women who ride their own bikes are so hot -
and since they can handle that much power between their legs, they have
to be great at other things too.  He just has to marry a woman who can


Lisa
'95 VFR




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You mean those pond scum who are naturally argumentative and engage in flame
wars and occasionally even call the opposition names?

Yeah, I was there.

I think I even met Chris Weaver, and he seemed like a pretty nice guy.

8;)  -- Larry
'01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco
'84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike)
'01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small
emergency backup bike)
(pix at www.tennisbooks.com)



Finally, Sally Wood chirped:
>
> It's difficult for even the "not-so-newbies" to know who is who,
especially
> when there is a great turn-out, as there was on Tuesday nite.  I kept
asking
> those I did know "Who's that?!  Who's that?!?!"  I was also, wondering if
> any of the guys who post those surly messages on the list (and you know
who
> you are) were in attendence.  ;)
>
>
>
> Then, Chuck Pena declared:
>
> We will require nametags at the next Bike Night! %^)
>
>
> First, Dexter Medley wrote:
>
> It would be great for the newbies at future events if you could come up
with
> some way of introducing attendees or identifying riders with their bikes,
> some sort of Who's Who in Zooville.
>
>

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> I surfed the web and made a few phone calls. The gray jackets appear to be
> in very short supply, the black ones somewhat more available. MAW was the
> only place with a sales price below retail, but they had none in stock and
> were back ordered.

Competition Accessories (800.543.5139) has been advertising them for $89.95
for the last two months...

 -- Larry
'01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco
'84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike)
'01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small
emergency backup bike)
(pix at www.tennisbooks.com)



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Saw this pop up on the WERA BBS. Looks like some pretty good prices. 
301 area code is Maryland, which is where AGV used to be....

http://www.intersport2.com/closeout/index.htm

-- 
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the 
skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html


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So, I'm poking around Slashdot today, and there's a blurb on Google's 
new (beta) Image Search Engine. (For those that don't use it Google 
is an excellent internet search engine. Try it. <www.google.com>) 
Anywho, just for shits and grins, I throw my name into the search 
engine. (The image engine can be found at http://images.google.com/)

The following page comes up:

http://images.google.com/images?q=Sean+Jordan&btnG=Google+Search

If you look in the second row, there are two pictures of me, from 
www.just2ride.com. I tried to hit the site, but I don't have access 
to this server. I don't remember ever interacting with anyone from 
this site....

Does anyone know who runs this site? Or know anything about it?

The only thing I can find is the following blurb about the site.

"Just2Ride.com - Motorcycle Information Gateway - http://www.just2ride.com
Just2Ride.com is a place where you can find all you need to know 
about motorcycles and the people who ride them. We feature 
information on becoming a better rider, great places to service your 
bike, tech tips, women riders and anything else we can think of."

Weird!

-- 
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the 
skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html

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<div>So, I'm poking around Slashdot today, and there's a blurb on
Google's new (beta) Image Search Engine. (For those that don't use it
Google is an excellent internet search engine. Try it.
&lt;www.google.com&gt;) Anywho, just for shits and grins, I throw my
name into the search engine. (The image engine can be found at
http://images.google.com/)</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>The following page comes up:</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>http://images.google.com/images?q=Sean+Jo<span
></span>rdan&amp;btnG=Google+Search</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>If you look in the second row, there are two pictures of me,
from www.just2ride.com. I tried to hit the site, but I don't have
access to this server. I don't remember ever interacting with anyone
from this site....</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Does anyone know who runs this site? Or know anything about
it?</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>The only thing I can find is the following blurb about the
site.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>&quot;<u>Just2Ride.com - Motorcycle Information
Gateway</u>&nbsp;-&nbsp;http://www.just2ride.com</div>
<div>Just2Ride.com is a place where you can find all you need to know
about motorcycles and the people who ride them. We feature
information on becoming a better rider, great places to service your
bike, tech tips, women riders and anything else we can think
of.&quot;</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Weird!</div>
<div><br></div>

<div>-- <br>
&quot;For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and
the skillful defiance of it.&quot;<br>
<br>
-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)<br>
<br>
Sean Jordan<br>
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing<br>
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)<br>
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)<br>
WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038<br>
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/j<span
></span>ordanracing.html<br>
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Dude, I'm not the one who spent the weekend sleeping with a male spinner =)


                                                                             
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In a message dated 6/26/01 2:47:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
gvensko@XXXXXX
writes:

> Yo Quiero, flaming tequila!!!  or is that flaming hand???

George...are you trying to tell us that you are flaming?  Hmmmm....does
Rhonda know?






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Damn...I showed up when I search on my last name.  OK...that IS scary.

Keener

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I tried my name (it's rather unique) and came up with
a hit. Possibly my work ID badge picture. The link
didn't work, but freaky nonetheless.

Matt


--- Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX> wrote:
> So, I'm poking around Slashdot today, and there's a
> blurb on Google's 
> new (beta) Image Search Engine. (For those that
> don't use it Google 
> is an excellent internet search engine. Try it.
> <www.google.com>) 
> Anywho, just for shits and grins, I throw my name
> into the search 
> engine. (The image engine can be found at
> http://images.google.com/)
> 
> The following page comes up:
> 
>
http://images.google.com/images?q=Sean+Jordan&btnG=Google+Search
> 
> If you look in the second row, there are two
> pictures of me, from 
> www.just2ride.com. I tried to hit the site, but I
> don't have access 
> to this server. I don't remember ever interacting
> with anyone from 
> this site....
> 
> Does anyone know who runs this site? Or know
> anything about it?
> 
> The only thing I can find is the following blurb
> about the site.
> 
> "Just2Ride.com - Motorcycle Information Gateway -
> http://www.just2ride.com
> Just2Ride.com is a place where you can find all you
> need to know 
> about motorcycles and the people who ride them. We
> feature 
> information on becoming a better rider, great places
> to service your 
> bike, tech tips, women riders and anything else we
> can think of."
> 
> Weird!
> 
> -- 
> "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of
> death and the 
> skillful defiance of it."
> 
> -Ernest Becker (1924-1974)
> 
> Sean Jordan
> Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
> '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
> '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
> WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
>
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html
> 


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Well...I looked up my name and found that I'm a racer with Team Calamari with some nice results.  "#50 T. Scott Rush - 2nd Place Stock - 2nd Place Supersport (on a stocker) - 1st Place 50cc Stock Endurance"  Also found out that I'm a 3rd year head fencing coach at Fairleigh Dickinson University.  "Honest officer.  I didn't know it was stolen."  ;-)  Found no actual pictures of me so, that's a good thing.  I don't want you people to know what I look like anyway.  LOL

Scooter (<holding hand in front of camera> No pictures.  NO PICTURES.)


In a message dated Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:28:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX> writes:

<< So, I'm poking around Slashdot today, and there's a blurb on Google's new (beta) Image Search Engine. (For those that don't use it Google is an excellent internet search engine. Try it. <www.google.com>) Anywho, just for shits and grins, I throw my name into the search engine. (The image engine can be found at http://images.google.com/)


The following page comes up:


http://images.google.com/images?q=Sean+Jordan&btnG=Google+Search


If you look in the second row, there are two pictures of me, from www.just2ride.com. I tried to hit the site, but I don't have access to this server. I don't remember ever interacting with anyone from this site....


Does anyone know who runs this site? Or know anything about it?


The only thing I can find is the following blurb about the site.


"Just2Ride.com - Motorcycle Information Gateway - http://www.just2ride.com
Just2Ride.com is a place where you can find all you need to know about motorcycles and the people who ride them. We feature information on becoming a better rider, great places to service your bike, tech tips, women riders and anything else we can think of."


Weird!


-- 
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html
        >>



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A list member provided the contact info for a state farm agent who provides
good rates (a few months ago)...i believe he's out of Maryland. Would you
mind responding with the info? Does anyone have recommendations for good
rates? Apparently Geico doesn't provide theft insurance if you don't keep
your bike in a private garage and Providian's rates were extremely high. The
bike is a '98 VTR1000.

Thanks


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Funny you did this today... 

I was deathly bored at work yesterday and looked up
the husband's name.  I came across his post to the VFR
list (looking for me) a LONG time ago before we met. 
Pretty nostalgic, since I had never seen the post
before!  :-)

- Jeannette
  '86 VFR 700F2
  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081


> 
> In a message dated Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:28:08 PM
> Eastern Daylight Time, Sean Jordan
> <sean.jordan@XXXXXX> writes:
> 
> << So, I'm poking around Slashdot today, and there's
> a blurb on Google's new (beta) Image Search Engine.
> (For those that don't use it Google is an excellent
> internet search engine. Try it. <www.google.com>)
> Anywho, just for shits and grins, I throw my name
> into the search engine. (The image engine can be
> found at http://images.google.com/)
> 
> 


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George,
	You're just upset 'cause someone loosened your rear wheel nut on your 916,
that coulda been bad.  I had to go get Keener,  if I didn't he would have
been stranded and probably gotten a job as bartender at that topless joint
we stop at.  Can you imagine the horror ?  You're on your way to a race down
South,  you stop in to visit the girls and drop off a few singles,  and
Keener's behind the bar in a G-string.  Aaauugh !  Run Away,  run away !
	I acted in the name of human decency and strip club clientele everywhere.

Oh the horror,

Bobb


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There's actually a term for what you guys are doing...
"egosurfing". :^) I've been guilty of it on occasion
too. The image engine only came up with a couple of
graphics from my old rock climbing site.
http://users.erols.com/cweaver (image map doesn't seem
to work anymore) There are a few photos of me on the
site, but Google must not have caught them.

Chris Weaver

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To: "Bobb Seitz" <Bobb.Seitz@XXXXXX>
Cc: abutler@XXXXXX, bhuntt@XXXXXX, BSEITZ@XXXXXX,
   dc-cycles@XXXXXX, FZR400@XXXXXX, G2V@XXXXXX,
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AGGGGGGGGG, the thought of Keener in a G-String, I'm blind AGGGGGGGGGGGG.

Bob, thanks for saving us!


                                                                             
                    "Bobb Seitz"                                             
                    <Bobb.Seitz@W        To:     "George Vensko"             
                    MENG.com>            <gvensko@XXXXXX>,                 
                                         <SKeener2@XXXXXX>                  
                    06/28/2001           cc:     <abutler@XXXXXX>,   
                    01:06 AM             <bhuntt@XXXXXX>,             
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                                         <PAFNORVALE@XXXXXX>,               
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                                         <SPIOX@XXXXXX>,                    
                                         <stevesumner@XXXXXX>,        
                                         <sv650@XXXXXX>,               
                                         <tcochran@XXXXXX>         
                                         Subject:     RE: Keener's thanks to 
                                         everybody for helping us get home   
                                         this weekend!!!                     
                                                                             




George,
           You're just upset 'cause someone loosened your rear wheel nut on
your 916,
that coulda been bad.  I had to go get Keener,  if I didn't he would have
been stranded and probably gotten a job as bartender at that topless joint
we stop at.  Can you imagine the horror ?  You're on your way to a race
down
South,  you stop in to visit the girls and drop off a few singles,  and
Keener's behind the bar in a G-string.  Aaauugh !  Run Away,  run away !
           I acted in the name of human decency and strip club clientele
everywhere.

Oh the horror,

Bobb







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hmmm--now THAT sounds alittle scary........??


                                                                                        
                    "George                                                             
                    Vensko"              To:     <SKeener2@XXXXXX>                     
                    <gvensko@caci        cc:     abutler@XXXXXX,                
                    .com>                bhuntt@XXXXXX,                          
                                         BSEITZ@XXXXXX,                     
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                                         rhonda@XXXXXX,                        
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                                         SPIOX@XXXXXX, stevesumner@XXXXXX,      
                                         sv650@XXXXXX, tcochran@XXXXXX  
                                         Subject:     Re: Keener's thanks to everybody  
                                         for helping us get home this weekend!!!        
                                                                                        




Dude, I'm not the one who spent the weekend sleeping with a male spinner =)



                    <SKeener2@aol

                    .com>                To:     gvensko@XXXXXX

                                         cc:     abutler@XXXXXX,

                    06/26/2001           bhuntt@XXXXXX,

                    02:59 PM             BSEITZ@XXXXXX,

                                         dc-cycles@XXXXXX,

                                         FZR400@XXXXXX,

                                         G2V@XXXXXX, PAFNORVALE@XXXXXX,

                                         race@XXXXXX,

                                         rhonda@XXXXXX,

                                         Sandra_Zmuda@XXXXXX,

                                         SCOTRACE41@XXXXXX,

                                         shoul151@XXXXXX,
SPIOX@XXXXXX,
                                         stevesumner@XXXXXX,

                                         sv650@XXXXXX,

                                         tcochran@XXXXXX

                                         Subject:     Re: Keener's thanks
to
                                         everybody for helping us get home

                                         this weekend!!!






In a message dated 6/26/01 2:47:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
gvensko@XXXXXX
writes:

> Yo Quiero, flaming tequila!!!  or is that flaming hand???

George...are you trying to tell us that you are flaming?  Hmmmm....does
Rhonda know?










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the things I miss out on!!


                                                                                        
                    "Bobb Seitz"                                                        
                    <Bobb.Seitz@W        To:     "George Vensko" <gvensko@XXXXXX>,    
                    MENG.com>            <SKeener2@XXXXXX>                             
                                         cc:     <abutler@XXXXXX>,              
                    06/28/2001           <bhuntt@XXXXXX>,                        
                    01:06 AM             <BSEITZ@XXXXXX>,                   
                                         <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>,                     
                                         <FZR400@XXXXXX>, <G2V@XXXXXX>,       
                                         <PAFNORVALE@XXXXXX>, <race@XXXXXX>,     
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                                         <SPIOX@XXXXXX>, <stevesumner@XXXXXX>,  
                                         <sv650@XXXXXX>,                          
                                         <tcochran@XXXXXX>                    
                                         Subject:     RE: Keener's thanks to everybody  
                                         for helping us get home this weekend!!!        
                                                                                        



George,
           You're just upset 'cause someone loosened your rear wheel nut on
your 916,
that coulda been bad.  I had to go get Keener,  if I didn't he would have
been stranded and probably gotten a job as bartender at that topless joint
we stop at.  Can you imagine the horror ?  You're on your way to a race
down
South,  you stop in to visit the girls and drop off a few singles,  and
Keener's behind the bar in a G-string.  Aaauugh !  Run Away,  run away !
           I acted in the name of human decency and strip club clientele
everywhere.

Oh the horror,

Bobb






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I'm sorry you had to hear about it this way Sandy, but better now than
later!


                                                                                   
                    <sandra_zmuda@fredd                                            
                    iemac.com>                 To:     gvensko@XXXXXX            
                                               cc:     abutler@XXXXXX,     
                    06/28/2001 01:23 PM        bhuntt@XXXXXX,               
                                               BSEITZ@XXXXXX,          
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                                               stevesumner@XXXXXX,          
                                               sv650@XXXXXX,                 
                                               tcochran@XXXXXX           
                                               Subject:     Re: Keener's thanks to 
                                               everybody for helping us get home   
                                               this weekend!!!                     
                                                                                   





hmmm--now THAT sounds alittle scary........??



                    "George

                    Vensko"              To:     <SKeener2@XXXXXX>

                    <gvensko@caci        cc:     abutler@XXXXXX,

                    .com>                bhuntt@XXXXXX,

                                         BSEITZ@XXXXXX,

                    06/28/2001           dc-cycles@XXXXXX,

                    12:46 PM             FZR400@XXXXXX,
G2V@XXXXXX,
                                         PAFNORVALE@XXXXXX,
race@XXXXXX,
                                         rhonda@XXXXXX,

                                         Sandra_Zmuda@XXXXXX,

                                         SCOTRACE41@XXXXXX,
shoul151@XXXXXX,
                                         SPIOX@XXXXXX,
stevesumner@XXXXXX,
                                         sv650@XXXXXX,
tcochran@XXXXXX
                                         Subject:     Re: Keener's thanks
to everybody
                                         for helping us get home this
weekend!!!





Dude, I'm not the one who spent the weekend sleeping with a male spinner =)



                    <SKeener2@aol

                    .com>                To:     gvensko@XXXXXX

                                         cc:     abutler@XXXXXX,

                    06/26/2001           bhuntt@XXXXXX,

                    02:59 PM             BSEITZ@XXXXXX,

                                         dc-cycles@XXXXXX,

                                         FZR400@XXXXXX,

                                         G2V@XXXXXX, PAFNORVALE@XXXXXX,

                                         race@XXXXXX,

                                         rhonda@XXXXXX,

                                         Sandra_Zmuda@XXXXXX,

                                         SCOTRACE41@XXXXXX,

                                         shoul151@XXXXXX,
SPIOX@XXXXXX,
                                         stevesumner@XXXXXX,

                                         sv650@XXXXXX,

                                         tcochran@XXXXXX

                                         Subject:     Re: Keener's thanks
to
                                         everybody for helping us get home

                                         this weekend!!!






In a message dated 6/26/01 2:47:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
gvensko@XXXXXX
writes:

> Yo Quiero, flaming tequila!!!  or is that flaming hand???

George...are you trying to tell us that you are flaming?  Hmmmm....does
Rhonda know?















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Message-ID: <OFF154E8E2.7D591647-ON85256A79.00609503@hq.caci.com>
From: "George Vensko" <gvensko@XXXXXX>
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:35:14 -0400
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and you thought racing was boring.....


                                                                                   
                    <sandra_zmuda@fredd                                            
                    iemac.com>                 To:     Bobb.Seitz@XXXXXX        
                                               cc:     abutler@XXXXXX,     
                    06/28/2001 01:24 PM        bhuntt@XXXXXX,               
                                               BSEITZ@XXXXXX,          
                                               dc-cycles@XXXXXX,            
                                               FZR400@XXXXXX,             
                                               G2V@XXXXXX, gvensko@XXXXXX,      
                                               PAFNORVALE@XXXXXX,                 
                                               race@XXXXXX,                  
                                               rhonda@XXXXXX,             
                                               Sandra_Zmuda@XXXXXX,        
                                               SCOTRACE41@XXXXXX,                 
                                               shoul151@XXXXXX,                
                                               SKeener2@XXXXXX, SPIOX@XXXXXX,    
                                               stevesumner@XXXXXX,          
                                               sv650@XXXXXX,                 
                                               tcochran@XXXXXX           
                                               Subject:     RE: Keener's thanks to 
                                               everybody for helping us get home   
                                               this weekend!!!                     
                                                                                   





the things I miss out on!!



                    "Bobb Seitz"

                    <Bobb.Seitz@W        To:     "George Vensko"
<gvensko@XXXXXX>,
                    MENG.com>            <SKeener2@XXXXXX>

                                         cc:     <abutler@XXXXXX>,

                    06/28/2001           <bhuntt@XXXXXX>,

                    01:06 AM             <BSEITZ@XXXXXX>,

                                         <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>,

                                         <FZR400@XXXXXX>,
<G2V@XXXXXX>,
                                         <PAFNORVALE@XXXXXX>,
<race@XXXXXX>,
                                         <rhonda@XXXXXX>,

                                         <Sandra_Zmuda@XXXXXX>,

                                         <SCOTRACE41@XXXXXX>,
<shoul151@XXXXXX>,
                                         <SPIOX@XXXXXX>,
<stevesumner@XXXXXX>,
                                         <sv650@XXXXXX>,

                                         <tcochran@XXXXXX>

                                         Subject:     RE: Keener's thanks
to everybody
                                         for helping us get home this
weekend!!!




George,
           You're just upset 'cause someone loosened your rear wheel nut on
your 916,
that coulda been bad.  I had to go get Keener,  if I didn't he would have
been stranded and probably gotten a job as bartender at that topless joint
we stop at.  Can you imagine the horror ?  You're on your way to a race
down
South,  you stop in to visit the girls and drop off a few singles,  and
Keener's behind the bar in a G-string.  Aaauugh !  Run Away,  run away !
           I acted in the name of human decency and strip club clientele
everywhere.

Oh the horror,

Bobb











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Subject: Re: Keener's thanks to everybody for helping us get home this weekend!!!
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   dc-cycles@XXXXXX, FZR400@XXXXXX, G2V@XXXXXX,
   PAFNORVALE@XXXXXX, race@XXXXXX, rhonda@XXXXXX,
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aahhh welll, whatcha gonna do?  You know keener.....always an adventure!
Next time just get PICTURES!!!


                                                                                        
                    "George                                                             
                    Vensko"              To:     <sandra_zmuda@XXXXXX>          
                    <gvensko@caci        cc:     abutler@XXXXXX,                
                    .com>                bhuntt@XXXXXX,                          
                                         BSEITZ@XXXXXX,                     
                    06/28/2001           dc-cycles@XXXXXX,                       
                    01:34 PM             FZR400@XXXXXX, G2V@XXXXXX,           
                                         PAFNORVALE@XXXXXX, race@XXXXXX,         
                                         rhonda@XXXXXX,                        
                                         Sandra_Zmuda@XXXXXX,                   
                                         SCOTRACE41@XXXXXX, shoul151@XXXXXX,       
                                         SKeener2@XXXXXX, SPIOX@XXXXXX,               
                                         stevesumner@XXXXXX, sv650@XXXXXX, 
                                         tcochran@XXXXXX                      
                                         Subject:     Re: Keener's thanks to everybody  
                                         for helping us get home this weekend!!!        
                                                                                        




I'm sorry you had to hear about it this way Sandy, but better now than
later!



                    <sandra_zmuda@fredd

                    iemac.com>                 To:     gvensko@XXXXXX

                                               cc:
abutler@XXXXXX,
                    06/28/2001 01:23 PM        bhuntt@XXXXXX,

                                               BSEITZ@XXXXXX,

                                               dc-cycles@XXXXXX,

                                               FZR400@XXXXXX,

                                               G2V@XXXXXX,
PAFNORVALE@XXXXXX,
                                               race@XXXXXX,

                                               rhonda@XXXXXX,

                                               Sandra_Zmuda@XXXXXX,

                                               SCOTRACE41@XXXXXX,

                                               shoul151@XXXXXX,

                                               SKeener2@XXXXXX,
SPIOX@XXXXXX,
                                               stevesumner@XXXXXX,

                                               sv650@XXXXXX,

                                               tcochran@XXXXXX

                                               Subject:     Re: Keener's
thanks to
                                               everybody for helping us get
home
                                               this weekend!!!







hmmm--now THAT sounds alittle scary........??



                    "George

                    Vensko"              To:     <SKeener2@XXXXXX>

                    <gvensko@caci        cc:     abutler@XXXXXX,

                    .com>                bhuntt@XXXXXX,

                                         BSEITZ@XXXXXX,

                    06/28/2001           dc-cycles@XXXXXX,

                    12:46 PM             FZR400@XXXXXX,
G2V@XXXXXX,
                                         PAFNORVALE@XXXXXX,
race@XXXXXX,
                                         rhonda@XXXXXX,

                                         Sandra_Zmuda@XXXXXX,

                                         SCOTRACE41@XXXXXX,
shoul151@XXXXXX,
                                         SPIOX@XXXXXX,
stevesumner@XXXXXX,
                                         sv650@XXXXXX,
tcochran@XXXXXX
                                         Subject:     Re: Keener's thanks
to everybody
                                         for helping us get home this
weekend!!!





Dude, I'm not the one who spent the weekend sleeping with a male spinner =)



                    <SKeener2@aol

                    .com>                To:     gvensko@XXXXXX

                                         cc:     abutler@XXXXXX,

                    06/26/2001           bhuntt@XXXXXX,

                    02:59 PM             BSEITZ@XXXXXX,

                                         dc-cycles@XXXXXX,

                                         FZR400@XXXXXX,

                                         G2V@XXXXXX, PAFNORVALE@XXXXXX,

                                         race@XXXXXX,

                                         rhonda@XXXXXX,

                                         Sandra_Zmuda@XXXXXX,

                                         SCOTRACE41@XXXXXX,

                                         shoul151@XXXXXX,
SPIOX@XXXXXX,
                                         stevesumner@XXXXXX,

                                         sv650@XXXXXX,

                                         tcochran@XXXXXX

                                         Subject:     Re: Keener's thanks
to
                                         everybody for helping us get home

                                         this weekend!!!






In a message dated 6/26/01 2:47:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
gvensko@XXXXXX
writes:

> Yo Quiero, flaming tequila!!!  or is that flaming hand???

George...are you trying to tell us that you are flaming?  Hmmmm....does
Rhonda know?



















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Picture, hell, I was too busy trying not to run off the rode into a ditch


                                                                                   
                    <sandra_zmuda@fredd                                            
                    iemac.com>                 To:     gvensko@XXXXXX            
                                               cc:     abutler@XXXXXX,     
                    06/28/2001 01:33 PM        bhuntt@XXXXXX,               
                                               BSEITZ@XXXXXX,          
                                               dc-cycles@XXXXXX,            
                                               FZR400@XXXXXX,             
                                               G2V@XXXXXX, PAFNORVALE@XXXXXX,    
                                               race@XXXXXX,                  
                                               rhonda@XXXXXX,             
                                               sandra_zmuda@XXXXXX,        
                                               SCOTRACE41@XXXXXX,                 
                                               shoul151@XXXXXX,                
                                               SKeener2@XXXXXX, SPIOX@XXXXXX,    
                                               stevesumner@XXXXXX,          
                                               sv650@XXXXXX,                 
                                               tcochran@XXXXXX           
                                               Subject:     Re: Keener's thanks to 
                                               everybody for helping us get home   
                                               this weekend!!!                     
                                                                                   





aahhh welll, whatcha gonna do?  You know keener.....always an adventure!
Next time just get PICTURES!!!



                    "George

                    Vensko"              To:
<sandra_zmuda@XXXXXX>
                    <gvensko@caci        cc:     abutler@XXXXXX,

                    .com>                bhuntt@XXXXXX,

                                         BSEITZ@XXXXXX,

                    06/28/2001           dc-cycles@XXXXXX,

                    01:34 PM             FZR400@XXXXXX,
G2V@XXXXXX,
                                         PAFNORVALE@XXXXXX,
race@XXXXXX,
                                         rhonda@XXXXXX,

                                         Sandra_Zmuda@XXXXXX,

                                         SCOTRACE41@XXXXXX,
shoul151@XXXXXX,
                                         SKeener2@XXXXXX, SPIOX@XXXXXX,

                                         stevesumner@XXXXXX,
sv650@XXXXXX,
                                         tcochran@XXXXXX

                                         Subject:     Re: Keener's thanks
to everybody
                                         for helping us get home this
weekend!!!





I'm sorry you had to hear about it this way Sandy, but better now than
later!



                    <sandra_zmuda@fredd

                    iemac.com>                 To:     gvensko@XXXXXX

                                               cc:
abutler@XXXXXX,
                    06/28/2001 01:23 PM        bhuntt@XXXXXX,

                                               BSEITZ@XXXXXX,

                                               dc-cycles@XXXXXX,

                                               FZR400@XXXXXX,

                                               G2V@XXXXXX,
PAFNORVALE@XXXXXX,
                                               race@XXXXXX,

                                               rhonda@XXXXXX,

                                               Sandra_Zmuda@XXXXXX,

                                               SCOTRACE41@XXXXXX,

                                               shoul151@XXXXXX,

                                               SKeener2@XXXXXX,
SPIOX@XXXXXX,
                                               stevesumner@XXXXXX,

                                               sv650@XXXXXX,

                                               tcochran@XXXXXX

                                               Subject:     Re: Keener's
thanks to
                                               everybody for helping us get
home
                                               this weekend!!!







hmmm--now THAT sounds alittle scary........??



                    "George

                    Vensko"              To:     <SKeener2@XXXXXX>

                    <gvensko@caci        cc:     abutler@XXXXXX,

                    .com>                bhuntt@XXXXXX,

                                         BSEITZ@XXXXXX,

                    06/28/2001           dc-cycles@XXXXXX,

                    12:46 PM             FZR400@XXXXXX,
G2V@XXXXXX,
                                         PAFNORVALE@XXXXXX,
race@XXXXXX,
                                         rhonda@XXXXXX,

                                         Sandra_Zmuda@XXXXXX,

                                         SCOTRACE41@XXXXXX,
shoul151@XXXXXX,
                                         SPIOX@XXXXXX,
stevesumner@XXXXXX,
                                         sv650@XXXXXX,
tcochran@XXXXXX
                                         Subject:     Re: Keener's thanks
to everybody
                                         for helping us get home this
weekend!!!





Dude, I'm not the one who spent the weekend sleeping with a male spinner =)



                    <SKeener2@aol

                    .com>                To:     gvensko@XXXXXX

                                         cc:     abutler@XXXXXX,

                    06/26/2001           bhuntt@XXXXXX,

                    02:59 PM             BSEITZ@XXXXXX,

                                         dc-cycles@XXXXXX,

                                         FZR400@XXXXXX,

                                         G2V@XXXXXX, PAFNORVALE@XXXXXX,

                                         race@XXXXXX,

                                         rhonda@XXXXXX,

                                         Sandra_Zmuda@XXXXXX,

                                         SCOTRACE41@XXXXXX,

                                         shoul151@XXXXXX,
SPIOX@XXXXXX,
                                         stevesumner@XXXXXX,

                                         sv650@XXXXXX,

                                         tcochran@XXXXXX

                                         Subject:     Re: Keener's thanks
to
                                         everybody for helping us get home

                                         this weekend!!!






In a message dated 6/26/01 2:47:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
gvensko@XXXXXX
writes:

> Yo Quiero, flaming tequila!!!  or is that flaming hand???

George...are you trying to tell us that you are flaming?  Hmmmm....does
Rhonda know?
























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Apparently I killed a child in Kansas in 1907.

Pete Wimer
peter.wimer@XXXXXX

what would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail?



-----Original Message-----
From: SKeener2@XXXXXX [mailto:SKeener2@XXXXXX]
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 12:53 PM
To: sean.jordan@XXXXXX; FZR400@XXXXXX; race@XXXXXX;
dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: The internet gets scarrier and scarrier everyday.



Damn...I showed up when I search on my last name.  OK...that IS scary.

Keener

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:52:05 -0400
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From: Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: Keener's thanks to everybody for helping us get home this
 weekend!!!
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Hey, Keener! Why can't you and your friends "trim the fat" from your 
emails, eh? And I thought you AOL types were internet savvy....

-- 
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the 
skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html


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From: Corbett B <corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Bike Night I.D.s
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Okay, Okay. Next Bike night with ID tags identifying:

Name
email alias
bike
porn alias

-Mittens Armory aka Corbett
'99 BMW K1200RS

--- "Wood, Sally" <swood@XXXXXX> wrote:
> It's difficult for even the "not-so-newbies" to know
> who is who, especially
> when there is a great turn-out, as there was on
> Tuesday nite.  I kept asking
> those I did know "Who's that?!  Who's that?!?!"  I
> was also, wondering if
> any of the guys who post those surly messages on the
> list (and you know who
> you are) were in attendence.  ;)
> 
> 
> 
> Then, Chuck Pena declared:  
> 
> We will require nametags at the next Bike Night! %^)
> 
> 
> First, Dexter Medley wrote:
> 
> It would be great for the newbies at future events
> if you could come up with
> some way of introducing attendees or identifying
> riders with their bikes,
> some sort of Who's Who in Zooville.


=====
-Corbett 
'99 BMW K1200RS
AMA Member 
BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member

__________________________________________________
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Like the twelve lines of sig in every one of your messages? :(


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sean Jordan" <sean.jordan@XXXXXX>


> Hey, Keener! Why can't you and your friends "trim the fat" from your 
> emails, eh? And I thought you AOL types were internet savvy....
> 
> -- 
> "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the 
> skillful defiance of it."
> 
> -Ernest Becker (1924-1974)
> 
> Sean Jordan
> Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
> '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
> '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
> WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
> http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html


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>Like the twelve lines of sig in every one of your messages? :(

The difference being that my sig is as at the end of the email, so 
you don't have to sort through it to get to the original email. It's 
not so much the fat; it's where the fat is located. Wouldn't it be 
alot more annoying if the fat was interspersed throughout the steak 
instead of along the edge?

Sean Jordan
<sig-less just for Bruce :P>
-- 
Sincerely,

Sean Jordan
Macintosh Systems Analyst
(703)-886-7661
UUNET Technologies
A WORLDCOM Company

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I'd be up for a Bethesda lunch gathering in honor of ride to work day!

Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:01:02 -0400
From: Dale Horstman <the.horkster@XXXXXX>
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Chuck Pena wrote:
>
> Dale,
>
> This is a GREAT idea!  Maybe we ought to have several different "ride to
> lunch" locations throughout the area (i.e., one in Northern VA, one in
> DC, and one in MD).  Personally, I like your idea of Grevey's.  Anyone
> else???  We will have just had a Bike Night there the night before too!


Lisa
'95 VFR



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>Sean Jordan
><sig-less just for Bruce :P>
>--
>Sincerely,
>
>Sean Jordan
>Macintosh Systems Analyst
>(703)-886-7661
>UUNET Technologies
>A WORLDCOM Company

Crap. I forgot to turn off the signature. What a completely 
meaningless gesture that was. Oh well.

-s-



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You just exchanged one sig for another. I couldn't care less how many bikes
you own, what your racer number is, or what your job is. A sig is just
another ad, an ad for yourself. In my opinion they're all fat, a waste of
space and time. No flame war here. I won't reply again.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Sean Jordan" <sean.jordan@XXXXXX>


> >Like the twelve lines of sig in every one of your messages? :(
>
> The difference being that my sig is as at the end of the email, so
> you don't have to sort through it to get to the original email. It's
> not so much the fat; it's where the fat is located. Wouldn't it be
> alot more annoying if the fat was interspersed throughout the steak
> instead of along the edge?
>
> Sean Jordan
> <sig-less just for Bruce :P>
> --
> Sincerely,
>
> Sean Jordan
> Macintosh Systems Analyst
> (703)-886-7661
> UUNET Technologies
> A WORLDCOM Company


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Lisa,

Are you willing to "organize" this by picking a location and time we can
announce?  I will put the info up on the Bike Night website if you let
me know all the details.  Someone (Matthew Rosenstock?) had mentioned
earlier about doing something at Shady Grove -- I assume Shady Grove and
Bethesda are far enough apart that they would be in "competition" with
each other?  Thanx!

Chuck

"lisa@XXXXXX" wrote:
> 
> I'd be up for a Bethesda lunch gathering in honor of ride to work day!

-- 
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From: Dale Horstman <the.horkster@XXXXXX>
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Sean Jordan wrote:
> 
> >Sean Jordan
> ><sig-less just for Bruce :P>
> >--
> >Sincerely,
> >
> >Sean Jordan
> >Macintosh Systems Analyst
> >(703)-886-7661
> >UUNET Technologies
> >A WORLDCOM Company
> 
> Crap. I forgot to turn off the signature. What a completely
> meaningless gesture that was. Oh well.
> 
> -s-

Keep this up, you've got real Moron potential.  :)

Horkster

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:33:39 -0400
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>You just exchanged one sig for another.

I didn't get my "doh!" email off fast enough.

>  I couldn't care less how many bikes
>you own

But this is DC-Cycles! My signature was the most relevant part of my 
post! Oh, my....how very sad that is.

>, what your racer number is, or what your job is. A sig is just
>another ad, an ad for yourself.

Ads are bad? Especially ads for me? I think I'm a fine product. Can't 
I interest you in a little Sean today?

>  In my opinion they're all fat,

Fast as in lard, or file allocation table?

>a waste of
>space and time. No flame war here. I won't reply again.

Ok.

-- 
Sincerely,

Sean Jordan
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(703)-886-7661
UUNET Technologies
A WORLDCOM Company

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How about some sort of a sign up sheet prominently located somewhere in the 
parking area? That would not only give us a good idea of who was there but 
also how many. If someone attended the sign up book (on a rotating basis.) 
they could also serve as greeter.


John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC

Honda ST1100X Pan European
    (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.)
BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles
Honda 1976 CR250M  Motowhat racer

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In a message dated 6/28/2001 11:19:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
lgoddard@XXXXXX writes:

> and since they can handle that much power between their legs, they have
>  to be great at other things too.

As I recall he was in a cage... What does that say about the power twixt his 
legs?


John Walters (Long John)
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Honda ST1100X Pan European
    (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.)
BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles
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Okay gang,

I got my new rear rotor today, so now I'm going to install it.  The shop
manual doesn't have much to say and I HAVE pulled the rear wheel before, so
I don't think it'll be too tough.

Does anyone have any tips on this job?  The manual talks about all sorts of
special tools to get at the bearings.  Are they really necessary?  With 68k
miles on the original bearings, do ya suppose I might need to replace them?

All suggestions appreciated (well, most).

LindaT.
Custom TankBags
Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital)
99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy
95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...)
00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing
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I guess my follow up question is:

Why?????!!!!!!  What is the point of spreading gravel on a paved road?  Are
they trying to kill bikers or what???

A little pent up frustration here.

LindaT.
-----------------------------------------------
Preamble to brand-spanking-new tarmac.  I don't understand the engineering
aspect of it, but within a couple months, we should see new tarmac.

A real nice road (619) off of 678 just before Waterlick, VA had this same
mess in it for awhile and I avoided the road because of it.  One day about a
month ago I needed to boogie on home and decided to go for it on 619.  What
a treat!   Brand-spanking-new tarmac!!

Todd (Springfield, VA)


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>I got my new rear rotor today, so now I'm going to install it.  The shop
>manual doesn't have much to say and I HAVE pulled the rear wheel before, so
>I don't think it'll be too tough.
>
>Does anyone have any tips on this job?  The manual talks about all sorts of
>special tools to get at the bearings.  Are they really necessary?  With 68k
>miles on the original bearings, do ya suppose I might need to replace them?

This would be on the F3 (I assume).

Rotors are typically just bolted to the hub - usually no need to mess with 
the bearings - just unbolt the old one, bolt on the new one using a thread 
locker (blue Loctite or similar (NOT RED!!)) and torque the bolts to spec.

Replacing the bearings at 68K couldn't hoit - I'm getting ready to replace 
the rear tire and am considering replacing the bearings while I have the 
wheel off. The fronts have been changed fairly often due to potholes eating 
front wheels (Thank you, Progressive)

Michael J.

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Subject: Getting to Ashburn (was Re: ride to work day)

> Go out RT 50 about 4 miles west of where rt 28 crosses it. Pick up 606. 

Then take your first left (more of a Y) and go up that. After the S-turn thru 'town' you'll crest a rise
and you can make a right. Follow that road into Ashburn. Even 606 backs up something fierce with heavy
earth vehicles. Plus trying to get back onto 28 from 606 can take ages as the light is too short for the
amount of traffic. 

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From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 28 19:20:02 2001
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From: Thad B Groghan <tgroghan@XXXXXX>

I'm registed!!!!  I'll be leaving Friday afternoon, I have got to finish
prepping the bike tonight, and get it in the trailer.  Do ya want to meet
up some where on the way down?  WHere are you staying at on Fri night? 
This is gonna be my first time down there.

Later, 
Thad


On Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:59:47 -0700 (PDT) Corbett B
<corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX> writes:
> Anyone else registered for Track Day at VIR this
> Saturday?
> 
> http://www.cornerspeed.net/up_events.html
> 
> Just curious. I'm heading up Friday with Truck,
> trailer, and bike. Might have room for one more bike.
> 
> -Corbett
> 
> '99 BMW K1200RS
> 
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I'm sorry, I didn't make my questions very clear.  I know I don't have to
touch the bearings, I just figured while I'm at it, I might want to check
them out.

Thanks for the suggestions.

LindaT.
Custom TankBags
Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital)
99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy
95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...)
00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing
http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner

stephen cutchins said:

You don't have to touch the bearings to replace the
rotor.  Even at 68k miles, I'm not sure if I would
replace them anyway.  Bearing replacement does require
special tools to do the job right, most people use
long screwdrivers and rubber mallets which probably
isn't the best way!!


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From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 28 21:20:37 2001
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I wuz there, but my posts are always sugar-sweet.   Rode the dirty,
bug-splatted, Harley bagger with stealth pipes.  No oil leaks - I think it's out
of oil :-)

Bill

Wood, Sally wrote:

> It's difficult for even the "not-so-newbies" to know who is who, especially
> when there is a great turn-out, as there was on Tuesday nite.  I kept asking
> those I did know "Who's that?!  Who's that?!?!"  I was also, wondering if
> any of the guys who post those surly messages on the list (and you know who
> you are) were in attendence.  ;)
>
> Then, Chuck Pena declared:
>
> We will require nametags at the next Bike Night! %^)
>
> First, Dexter Medley wrote:
>
> It would be great for the newbies at future events if you could come up with
> some way of introducing attendees or identifying riders with their bikes,
> some sort of Who's Who in Zooville.


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Hey,
     I tried that Google search thing too, using my full name. Look what I
got.

http://images.google.com/images?q=Howard+J.+Koontz

Is someone trying to tell me something? Do I *NEED* help or exude it? Weird
indeed.

Howard J. Koontz
2001 Harley Daidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard
1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project



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From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX
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A friend of  mine had a problem riding in the rain...called front
brakes. hehe

Anyway.. the insurance company cut a check to him and a local bike
shop.. but he wants to do the repairs himself.  He can't cash the
check because it's made out to both.  I saw someone posted that you
can fix the bike yourself and save the money, it's not required that a
shop fixes it, and also they can't really put a price on your hard
labor.

Anyway.. my friend needs advice and I've been stumped. Tell him to
tell the insurance company that he doesn't want to fix the bike right
now and that later on he'll do it?  (because after all the payout is
to replace lost value, not neccesarily fix it right?)

Danny

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From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX
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On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:06:06 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

|>Where on 66E were they riding??? The *ONLY* place I

I don't know what area it was. Maybe one of the other listers who saw
the aftermath can tell you. <shrug>

Danny

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If you do do the bearings, don't go to the dealer.  Go to Motion Industries
(in Franconia/Springfield) they are about 1/3 the price the dealer wants and
the are the EXACT same bearing.  Also, they have bearings in stock, no
waiting. If you want the number let me know.  

David "Lost Dawg" Gaske
'00 Sprint RS (yellow)
Fredericksburg, Va.  USA


-----Original Message-----
From: LindaT. [mailto:ljtanner@XXXXXX]
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 7:27 PM
To: cbr@XXXXXX
Cc: DC-CYCLES
Subject: RE: [cbr] Rear rotor replacement


I'm sorry, I didn't make my questions very clear.  I know I don't have to
touch the bearings, I just figured while I'm at it, I might want to check
them out.

Thanks for the suggestions.

LindaT.
Custom TankBags
Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital)
99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy
95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...)
00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing
http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner

stephen cutchins said:

You don't have to touch the bearings to replace the
rotor.  Even at 68k miles, I'm not sure if I would
replace them anyway.  Bearing replacement does require
special tools to do the job right, most people use
long screwdrivers and rubber mallets which probably
isn't the best way!!


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At 07:15 AM 6/29/01 -0700, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote:
>shop.. but he wants to do the repairs himself.  He can't cash the
>check because it's made out to both.  I saw someone posted that you
>can fix the bike yourself and save the money, it's not required that a


	This is correct.  The company cannot force you (by listing a shop as a
payee) to fix your vehicle.  All you buddy has to do is call the adjuster
up & have a replacement check cut.  He might be required to return the
original check.

	Two things that can change this.

	1) If your buddy has a lienholder on the bike, the lienholder has certain
rights under the terms of their loan.  Specifically the bike is collateral
against the loan, and as such has a financial interest in the bike getting
repaired properly.  If this is the case, the insurance company will be
required to either list the lienholder as a additional payee, or the shop
that will do the repairs, to protect the lender's interest.  The
requirement is a matter of law in many places (not sure if actual law in
VA, but it is in MD).

	2) It is possible that you buddy has an policy that requires loss payment
co-payable to the repairer, but I seriously doubt it.  When HMO's first
came on the scene, there was attempts made to due the same thing in
personal lines by directing work to a preferred provider network.  It
flopped for reasons that go beyond the scope of this e-mail, but suffice to
say that there are, in very, very, very rare cases, so of those older
policies out there.  This would be an excellent question for his adjuster.

Need a motorcycle related phone number or address?
Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm

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Whitt's Suzuki's open house is tomorrow, 30 June. They'll have a bike show
to enter and other amusing motorcycle-related goings on.

Whitt's is located on Commerce Ct. in Manassas. Va. Take rt. 28 across
Liberia Ave, turn left at the Wendy's and proceed to Whitt's on your left.
It should be a good time and I hope to see you there.

Randy


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What's happening on 647 is poor man's asphalt concrete used on secondary
roads.  Basically what they do it spread a layer of "tar" (asphalt actually)
and then a layer of chipped stone on top (the aggregate). This is so-called
"chip and seal" or "cold mix" to distinguish it from "hot mix" where the
asphalt and aggregate are mixed together off site, then laid down.  At first
it appears to be gravel, but some of it bonds to the layer underneath.
Eventually the loose aggregate layer will either get mooshed (highly
technical term) into the "tar" or get swept off the road by the rain and
passing vehicles.  Once that happens the road will appear normal once again.
In the meantime, I agree, it's a PITA for bikes.

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F
Architect, not engineer, but I do understand these things

----- Original Message -----
From: Todd Peer <toddbpeer@XXXXXX>
To: AA DC Cycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 5:56 PM
Subject: gravel on 647


>
> I guess my follow up question is:
>
> Why?????!!!!!!  What is the point of spreading gravel on a paved road?
Are
> they trying to kill bikers or what???
>
> A little pent up frustration here.
>
> LindaT.
> -----------------------------------------------
> Preamble to brand-spanking-new tarmac.  I don't understand the engineering
> aspect of it, but within a couple months, we should see new tarmac.
>
> A real nice road (619) off of 678 just before Waterlick, VA had this same
> mess in it for awhile and I avoided the road because of it.  One day about
a
> month ago I needed to boogie on home and decided to go for it on 619.
What
> a treat!   Brand-spanking-new tarmac!!
>
> Todd (Springfield, VA)
>


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It sounds like the guy in front of him caused the SUV
to swerve into the dead officer's land on a blind
curve.  What a shame.


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MARYLAND 

Police Try to Identify Man Hit by Car


Montgomery County police are asking for help in
identifying a pedestrian who was hit by a car
Wednesday in Wheaton, leaving him in critical
condition.

The man was crossing Connecticut Avenue near Delano
Street about 8:25 p.m. but was not in a crosswalk,
police said. He was hit by a 1993 Ford Crown Victoria
driven by Anthony Gigliotti, 20, of Silver Spring.

The pedestrian was described as Latino, between 25 and
30 years old, 5 feet 6 inches tall and 160 pounds. He
was wearing a gray T-shirt, denim shorts and brown
shoes. He was being treated at Suburban Hospital.

Police ask anyone with information to call
investigators at 301-840-2435. The accident is under
investigation.

New Pr. George's Police Station Opens


Prince George's County police yesterday opened a
police station at Eastover Shopping Center in Oxon
Hill. 

The $3 million District IV station is part of the
county's campaign to transform an area once known as
among the area's most violent.

County Executive Wayne K. Curry (D) and Police Chief
John S. Farrell were among the local officials who
celebrated the station's opening at a ribbon-cutting
event.

Police Investigate Suspicious Death


Anne Arundel County police are investigating the death
of a 19-year-old Baltimore man.

Police said that Jason Hunt was pulled from a fountain
in front of McDoogals Night Club in Pasadena. 

Emergency workers administered first aid, but Hunt was
not responsive. He was taken to North Arundel Hospital
and pronounced dead.

There were no obvious signs of injury to Hunt's body,
but police are investigating his death as suspicious.

The state medical examiner will perform an autopsy.

THE DISTRICT 

Georgetown Power to Be Cut for Repair


Potomac Electric Power Co. planned to cut service to
215 Georgetown households and businesses from 1 a.m.
to 6 a.m. today as part of its recovery from a
four-day outage in the neighborhood this month.

A Pepco spokesman said all of the customers were being
called and told of the planned service disruption,
which might last less than the scheduled five hours.

The utility must temporarily cut service because a
primary cable is being added to replace one damaged in
the earlier incident.

Man Killed After Walking Onto I-295


A man was fatally struck by a car early yesterday
after he walked into the northbound lanes of
Interstate 295 and began dancing in the road, D.C.
police said.

The accident happened about 1:30 a.m., according to
Sgt. Robert Taylor, of the major crash unit. The man
was seen standing in the lanes of traffic near the
Eastern Avenue exit, and witnesses said he appeared to
be dancing, Taylor said.

The first drivers to see the man stopped, Taylor said.
But a driver behind them did not and hit one of the
stopped cars, which then hit the man.

He was later pronounced dead at Prince George's
Hospital Center, police said. No charges have been
filed against the driver who struck the other car.
Neither she nor the man who died was identified by
police last night.


Fairfax Police Captain Killed in Collision


A Fairfax County police captain who was participating
in a motorcycle training exercise south of Front Royal
died yesterday after his cycle collided with an
oncoming sport-utility vehicle, Virginia State Police
said.

Capt. Tom Bernal, 51, was commander of Fairfax's
traffic safety division and rode with the motorcycle
patrol unit, regarded as one of the top motor squads
in the country.

About 5:20 p.m., Bernal was riding with officers from
Fairfax and Arlington County on Route 649, a twisting
and hilly rural road, about four miles south of Front
Royal, state police spokeswoman Lucy Caldwell said. 

As the group headed north, the officer in front of
Bernal lost control on a curve and swerved into the
southbound lanes. A 1999 Ford Explorer steered away
from the officer into the northbound lanes and
collided with Bernal as he crested a hill, Caldwell
said.



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Hi, I'd like to get on the I-395 HOV southbound this afternoon, and was wondering were I could do that in Arlington.

I seem to recall the the exit off of 110 south to 395, Washington Blvd, and Columbia Pike will let me get on the HOV, but I'm not sure.  The penalty for missing a ramp is to ride in the non-HOV all the way to the Springfield Mixing Bowl (gag).

Anyone confirm I can get onto the HOV lanes from there?

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Chris,

I'm not sure if the route you're proposing will work (it might).  But
for sure this one will (from Arlington):

- GW Parkway towards Natl Airport
- Exit for Pentagon (south parking?), I-395 south, Columbia Pike (it
might not say this) -- this is not too far after going past Memorial
Bridge
- Move to the far left lane and you'll be heading for the HOV lanes

Chuck

Chris Norloff wrote:
> 
> Hi, I'd like to get on the I-395 HOV southbound this afternoon, and was wondering were I could do that in Arlington.
> 
> I seem to recall the the exit off of 110 south to 395, Washington Blvd, and Columbia Pike will let me get on the HOV, but I'm not sure.  The penalty for missing a ramp is to ride in the non-HOV all the way to the Springfield Mixing Bowl (gag).
> 
> Anyone confirm I can get onto the HOV lanes from there?

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I feel like Ake.  The replacement of the rear rotor was going well.  Got the
rear caliper off - one of the bolts must have been put on by a gorilla as I
had to remove my slipon to get enough leverage to get it loose.

Wheel's on the ground, find the 6mm allen head to put on my ratchet to
remove the busted rotor and --- one of them just rounds off!!!!  Jeez, three
are loose and one won't budge, nor can I see anyway to get it off.

And it's already 90 degrees F outside and going to get a lot hotter.

What does one do (besides swearing a blue streak that would make my dear
departed lifer in the Navy father blush) when faced with this situation?

Any suggestions????

LindaT.
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Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital)
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It's time to check the valves on the VFR.  What recommendations do you have 
for a competent, relatively local Honda dealer?

Thanks.

Rob
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Thanks for all the suggestions.  My neighbor suggested tapping the bit in
and trying it and it came out.  They all have green loctite or anti-seize or
something on them.

Now, I just have to find a replacement and I've called all the local shops
already and, of course, nobody has one.  What a surprise!!!

I don't know if I'll ever get to ride this bike again.  ARRRGGGGHHHH!

Thanks again.

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I just talked to The Rock manager and she said come on
down. There is no free parking available but the lot
next store looks like they have a big strip in front
of it that we may be able to convince them to let us
use. I think the best approach is to ask on the day of
the event. There is street parking you may be able to
squeeze into. If we get tickets we can alway all fight
them and use each other as witnesses to rebuke the
testimony of the occifer/meter maid/parking nazis. I
think I am looking too far into this. Anyway would the
bike night guys post the location The Rock and time
12:00 for the DC ride to work luncheon. I am not sure
of the address but I think you guys have it already.

Peace

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> If you do do the bearings, don't go to the dealer.  Go to Motion Industries

Good source but if you REALLy want to save money get them from JC Whitney. Motion Pro wanted $12 per bearing. JCWhitney's were $4. Once you have said bearings and you need to borrow a seal and bearing puller, just drive up to my house and I'll hook you right up.


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Hey Rob,

I've been very happy with the group out at Loudoun Motorsports
in Leesburg.  They are friendly enough, and I get the feeling
that the people in the service department are honest.

While I have seen a comment or two against Coleman PowerWhatever
in Falls Church, I had reasonably good luck in there last 
spring with some, uhh, unscheduled bodywork on my 99 VFR.  Duane
was cool (he's the manager of service?) and he had some good
advice.

I'd say the behavior of the showroom personnel is only 
marginally helpful in predicting the behavior of the service
personnel.

Cheers,

Will Mitchell
99 VFR 


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On Fri, 29 Jun 2001, Rob Keiser wrote:

>It's time to check the valves on the VFR.  What recommendations do you have 
>for a competent, relatively local Honda dealer?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Rob
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Ha, ha, this is a joke, right, about fighting tickets?  I'd probably be able
to make a DC lunch.

Paul in DC
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----- Original Message -----
From: Trey Herb <trey_22206@XXXXXX>

If we get tickets [in DC] we can alway all fight
> them and use each other as witnesses to rebuke the
> testimony of the occifer/meter maid/parking nazis.
> Peace
>
> Trey



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<snip>Ha, ha, this is a joke, right, about fighting
tickets?</snip>


two hours at the VA DMV or MD MVA getting new plates
is probally a better solution than a day in parking
nazi court.


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--- Will Mitchell <wm@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Hey Rob,
> 
> I've been very happy with the group out at Loudoun
> Motorsports in Leesburg.  They are friendly enough, and I

> get the feeling that the people in the service department

> are honest.
> 
> While I have seen a comment or two against Coleman
> PowerWhatever in Falls Church, I had reasonably good luck

> in there last spring with some, uhh, unscheduled bodywork

> on my 99 VFR.  Duane was cool (he's the manager of 
> service?) and he had some good advice.
> 
> I'd say the behavior of the showroom personnel is only 
> marginally helpful in predicting the behavior of the
> service personnel.

what about the behavior of the owner of the shop?  if
looking at this variable as an indicator is proper, then
loudoun motorsports is as shady as they come.  see the dcc
archives if interested in this topic.

rob: how many miles are on your vfr?  if this is its
initial valve inspection interval (after break-in, of
course), i've got $100 that says it's in spec and you'll be
wasting $200 on that inspection.




> On Fri, 29 Jun 2001, Rob Keiser wrote:
> 
> >It's time to check the valves on the VFR.  What
> >recommendations do you have 
> >for a competent, relatively local Honda dealer?



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I want to buy a Fieldshear Air Speed jacket. I am
wondering what size I need. I am a big guy 6' 225lbs.
I normally wear about a 46 to 48 long in a sport
jacket. I really don't feel like going to try one at a
store. Anyone know what size I should get and where my
best deal would be?

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In a message dated 6/29/01 12:31:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
t_gimer@XXXXXX writes:

> what about the behavior of the owner of the shop?  if
>  looking at this variable as an indicator is proper, then
>  loudoun motorsports is as shady as they come.  see the dcc
>  archives if interested in this topic.

I have to agree with gimer on this one.  I ued to go there to get parts for 
my CR250....no basic problems.  But when I went looking for it's 
replacement...and a new streetbike as well....I got a major blow off by the 
owner.  He's spoken to me about racing....and seen me at the track.  I have a 
nice setup (Expedition & 8X16 trailer) Plus multiple racebikes, a dirtbike, 
and at the time a TL1000R streetbike.  I wanted very specific information 
about the DR400E and the GSXR1000.  He couldn't be bothered to even sit up 
and stop chatting with his employees to answer me.  Needless to say..I've not 
spent a dime in there since.  Oh yeah...3 weeks later I bought a new 2001 
SV650 .... and ordered a GSXR1000.  I voted with my money....he loses.  

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At 11:07 AM 6/29/01 -0400, you wrote:

>Wheel's on the ground, find the 6mm allen head to put on my ratchet to
>remove the busted rotor and --- one of them just rounds off!!!!  
>
>Any suggestions????


	There are many ways to attack this problem.  

	
	1) drill the head off the fastener, you need to replace it anyway, you can
remove the threaded portion left behind in the wheel once the disk is off
by CAREFUL work with vice grips.
	2) use a chisel (be careful!) to loosen the fastener.
	3) remove the allen bit from your ratchet socket, carefully seat it all
the way in the fastener, and try again with careful heat applied to the
work.  Typically only the top part of the allen gets rounded out.
	4) use a high speed cut off tool to cut a large slot in the fastener and
use a large straight slot bit to remove it.
	5) hand the thing to someone with more patience and pay them to do it.
	6) buy a used wheel with disk
	7) buy another bike.


	Not necessarily in that order.

	S

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>  > what about the behavior of the owner of the shop?  if
>  >  looking at this variable as an indicator is proper, then
>>   loudoun motorsports is as shady as they come.  see the dcc
>  >  archives if interested in this topic.

I'm not sure what Tom's refering to, but I've had nothing but good 
experiences with Loudoun Motorsports. (I did a search on "loudoun 
motorsports" on the dccycles.com archive, and came up with nothing 
bad....in fact, almost all the hits were praise.)

I've taken all of my Hondas there for service (2), and have always 
been pleased with the work.

YMMV; just my $.02 worth.






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--- Shawn Brand <sbrand@XXXXXX> wrote:
> A list member provided the contact info for a state farm
> agent who provides
> good rates (a few months ago)...i believe he's out of
> Maryland. Would you
> mind responding with the info? Does anyone have
> recommendations for good
> rates? Apparently Geico doesn't provide theft insurance
> if you don't keep
> your bike in a private garage and Providian's rates were
> extremely high. The
> bike is a '98 VTR1000.

charles sumpter
bethesda, md
301 657-2323

telling him that i sent you gets me a long distance phone
card that i don't need....but please tell him anyway so my
driving record might continue to be "overlooked" ;)

[it goes without saying that there is also no need to
mention my last point!]

i would bet that if you have less than 3 tickets you'll be
$400-500/year full coverage with state farm




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that's surprising.  perhaps you should re-submit your
search.  goddamn computer-illiterate listers....

not only did the owner (greg?) blatantly lie to me (in the
presence of fellow lister glenn dysart) regarding an offer
he had made for the '96 900rr sitting on his showroom
floor.... he also screwed lance macnevin in connection with
a '00 gsxr750 offered below retail

same general situation:
1. make offer
2. customer shows up ready to buy
3. owner denies ever having made the offer OR retracts
offer on the spot

fuck loudoun.

every time i ride by there i think "hmmmm....i'd be
surprised if the cause of that fire WASN'T an angry
ex-customer."  never did hear the story about that
one.....anybody have one to share?

a business is often a reflection of its managers and
owners.  because of this, i will NEVER deal with loudoun
motorsports again....sales, service, etc.  the fact that
you have good experiences with loudoun means, to me, that
you're lucky.  i hope your luck continues.





--- Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX> wrote:
> >  > what about the behavior of the owner of the shop? 
> >  > if looking at this variable as an indicator is 
> >  > proper, then loudoun motorsports is as shady as they

> >  > come.  see the dcc archives if interested in this 
> >  > topic.
> 
> I'm not sure what Tom's refering to, but I've had nothing
> but good experiences with Loudoun Motorsports. (I did a 
> search on "loudoun motorsports" on the dccycles.com 
> archive, and came up with nothing bad....in fact, almost 
> all the hits were praise.)
> 
> I've taken all of my Hondas there for service (2), and
> have always been pleased with the work.
> 
> YMMV; just my $.02 worth.


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Trey,

I have seen some Fieldsheer stuff at CAD in Gburg. 301-977-7188

I bought my Fieldsheer stuff from Brocktoncycles.com as they had the best pricing.

George Cole


>>> Trey Herb <trey_22206@XXXXXX> 06/29/01 12:39PM >>>
I want to buy a Fieldshear Air Speed jacket. I am
wondering what size I need. I am a big guy 6' 225lbs.
I normally wear about a 46 to 48 long in a sport
jacket. I really don't feel like going to try one at a
store. Anyone know what size I should get and where my
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> I'd be up for a Bethesda lunch gathering in honor of ride
> to work day!

so would i (as soon as i figure out WHEN this is)....

how about rock bottom brewery as the venue?




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> > I'd be up for a Bethesda lunch gathering in honor of ride
> > to work day!
> 
> so would i (as soon as i figure out WHEN this is)....

Ride to Work day is the 3rd Wednesday of July, this year falling on July 18th. 
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On Fri, 29 Jun 2001, Tom Gimer wrote:
<snip>
> every time i ride by there i think "hmmmm....i'd be
> surprised if the cause of that fire WASN'T an angry
> ex-customer."  never did hear the story about that
> one.....anybody have one to share?

	A cop told me that they suspected a youth gang
which was setting fires around Leesburg at the time.

Hugh


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I've always had good dealings with the Parts Department.  The bike prices
are a little high.  Never used their service (or any other dealers for that
matter).  If you want it done right...


Gary Foreman
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-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Keiser [mailto:robkeiser@XXXXXX]
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 11:31 AM
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Honda Dealer Recommendations???


It's time to check the valves on the VFR.  What recommendations do you have
for a competent, relatively local Honda dealer?

Thanks.

Rob
'98VFR800
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I worked and Loudoun Motorsports for a lil while years ago, and I'd have to agree with some of the other comments and not give any of my money to a shop like that. I think most of their bad rep. comes from the owners and parts counter attiude, but thats enough to turn me away, haven't been back there in 3 years and I live in leesburg and race an F4. I travel out of town to avoid wasting any money there. The service manager is a good mech. but he dosen't turn to many wrenchs anymore. I'd go else where.

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---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 11:31:25 -0400

>It's time to check the valves on the VFR.  What recommendations do you have 
>for a competent, relatively local Honda dealer?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Rob
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Tom,  the bike just passed 17,000

In essence, I will get the 16,000 service done, less the oil/filter change 
and new air filter.  Just did those myself not too long ago.

While it's in the shop, I'll have them do the clutch and brake fluid change 
that was due at 12,000.

Basically, I want a Honda emblem on the top of my receipt in case anything 
happens down the road. (knocking on wood)  I know it will be a bit costly, 
and it's probably something I could learn and do, but I don't have the time 
to devote to it right now and I'd like the peace of mind.

When my old Integra, or new CL need anything done, I feel pretty comfortable 
dropping it off at my dealer.  I would like to find the same level of 
comfort with my bike and its service provider.


Rob

rob: how many miles are on your vfr?  if this is its
initial valve inspection interval (after break-in, of
course), i've got $100 that says it's in spec and you'll be
wasting $200 on that inspection.
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> Tom,  the bike just passed 17,000

'nuf said.  even hondas can use an inspection at this
interval.



> When my old Integra, or new CL need anything done, I feel
> pretty comfortable dropping it off at my dealer.  I would

> like to find the same level of comfort with my bike and 
> its service provider.

best of luck to you.

over the past couple years i have found that i trust mofo
mechanic bruce norton and a factory service manual a
hell-of-a-lot more than any dealer in the area that i've
had the displeasure of dealing with.

dave yakov and the gang over at CAD are also trusted....but
they aren't able to give you a "honda" sticker (at least i
don't think so).



> rob: how many miles are on your vfr?  if this is its
> initial valve inspection interval (after break-in, of
> course), i've got $100 that says it's in spec and you'll
> be wasting $200 on that inspection.


=====
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Trey,

The two places to look for Fieldsheer stuff are www.brocktoncycles.com
(George Cole already mentioned this) and www.newenough.com.  Brockton
Cycles is actually the distributor for Fieldsheer.  Pricing on
Fieldsheer stuff is the same at both places, unless one or the other is
closing something out.  I doubt that you could find anyplace that could
undercut either (unless, of course, it's a sale or closeout).

Right now, New Enough is selling the 2001 Air Speed jacket for $239
http://www.newenough.com/fs%20jackets.htm.  I can highly recommend New
Enough.  Paul and Holly are good, honest folks.  They'll help you out a
lot with trying to figure out what's the right size (talk to Paul about
sizing).  And they're really good about exchanging for the right size if
something doesn't fit.  Please let them know I sent you.

As for sizing ... I wear a Fieldsheer Splinter 1-piece, size 40 (from
New Enough on closeout).  I am ~5'8" and weigh ~140 lbs.  I normally
wear a 36 regular in a sport jacket/suit.  My Splinter is comfortably
"snug", especially when wearing my back protector.

Chuck

Trey Herb wrote:
> 
> I want to buy a Fieldshear Air Speed jacket. I am
> wondering what size I need. I am a big guy 6' 225lbs.
> I normally wear about a 46 to 48 long in a sport
> jacket. I really don't feel like going to try one at a
> store. Anyone know what size I should get and where my
> best deal would be?
> 
> Trey
> 
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I think most of the bikes in that class accept F2 front ends pretty easily.
I know for a fact EX500s and Hawks do, not 100% sure about the GS but I
think so.

Jay St. Peter - wish my budget still permitted racing



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Just want to check-in to see what folks have decided about Ride to Lunch
locations for July 18th.  Based on what I've seen posted to the list (as
well as some emails directly to me), here's where I think we stand. 
Please confirm so I can post to the Bike Night website.  Thanx!

- Grevey's in Falls Church is a done deal.
- Trey has a thumbs up for The Rock in DC.
- Lisa originally suggested Bethesda and Tom took it one step further
and said Rock Bottom Brewery.
- Matthew suggested Fingers and Claws in Muddy Branch Shopping Center
(Shady Grove?)

Any other suggestions?  Anyone??  Bueller???

I will assume for all of the above unless you tell me otherwise.  I need
addresses and phone numbers for all the places, as well as a URLs (if
applicable).  Thanx!

Chuck

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Chuck,


I countered Tom's suggestion of Rockbottoms with Louisiana Express.  They
have a small but motorcycle friendly parking area out front as opposed to
the public street in front of Rockbottoms. 

If there seems to be absolutely no interest in a Bethesda lunch meeting I
will bail out and head for Fingers and Claws!!  Either way, I will win, I
live near Fingers and Claws.

Lisa
stuck in the un-airconditioned cage today to take someone to lunch....
'95 VFR





> Just want to check-in to see what folks have decided about Ride to Lunch
> locations for July 18th.  Based on what I've seen posted to the list (as
> well as some emails directly to me), here's where I think we stand. 
> Please confirm so I can post to the Bike Night website.  Thanx!
> 
> - Grevey's in Falls Church is a done deal.
> - Trey has a thumbs up for The Rock in DC.
> - Lisa originally suggested Bethesda and Tom took it one step further
> and said Rock Bottom Brewery.
> - Matthew suggested Fingers and Claws in Muddy Branch Shopping Center
> (Shady Grove?)
> 
> Any other suggestions?  Anyone??  Bueller???
> 
> I will assume for all of the above unless you tell me otherwise.  I need
> addresses and phone numbers for all the places, as well as a URLs (if
> applicable).  Thanx!
> 
> Chuck
> 
> -- 
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> 


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I ride to work every day, rain or shine so I'm SURE I'll be riding to work 
on July 18th. I work in Frederick, though so a ride to lunch in DC isn't an 
option. Shady Grove isn't too far though- how many people would be in for 
lunch in the Shady Grove area??


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A not so quick trip cross county, to where the outstanding owner of
FASTLANES donated two 6mm allen head bolts with shoulder and I'm done.

I've learned some valuable lessons:

1) it pays to have friends - real and virtual
2) good advice is invaluable
3) check to see how tightly a bolt is on before using the breaker bar on it
=-o
4) don't work on a bike when it over 90 degrees F

My only remaining concern is that the brake pads are dragging on the rotor
some.  I assume (there I go again) they will seat in soon?

Thanks again for all the good vibes/advice.

LindaT.
Custom TankBags
Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital)
99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy
95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...)
00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing
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PS: I didn't even look at the bearings.  That will have to wait for another
time.


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I need to know who on the list has had experience taking apart damping
rod forks (or any fork that doesn't have external preload adjustment). 
I need to fool with the spacers on the forks on my newly acquired FZR
stealth m/c to get the sag set properly.  I need to know how easy (or
not) this will be and what to expect.  Any special tools needed?  I
assume I can do this without actually having to remove the forks.  And I
have a pretty good service manual (Clymer's) to help guide me through
the process (which seems pretty simple and straightforward).  My two
major concerns are: (a) whether stuff will come flying out of the fork
tubes when I take the caps off and (b) how hard it will be to compress
the springs to put the caps back on.  FYI, the forks have been Race
Tech'ed with stronger springs (.90) and Gold Valve Emulators.  Thanks in
advance!

Chuck

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In a message dated 6/29/01 5:00:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes:

> I need to know who on the list has had experience taking apart damping
>  rod forks (or any fork that doesn't have external preload adjustment). 
>  I need to fool with the spacers on the forks on my newly acquired FZR
>  stealth m/c to get the sag set properly.  I need to know how easy (or
>  not) this will be and what to expect.  Any special tools needed?  I
>  assume I can do this without actually having to remove the forks.  And I
>  have a pretty good service manual (Clymer's) to help guide me through
>  the process (which seems pretty simple and straightforward).  My two
>  major concerns are: (a) whether stuff will come flying out of the fork
>  tubes when I take the caps off and (b) how hard it will be to compress
>  the springs to put the caps back on.  FYI, the forks have been Race
>  Tech'ed with stronger springs (.90) and Gold Valve Emulators.  Thanks in

Uh...what ya need to know?  I did my SV's forks a while back.  Nothing too 
difficult about it.  Yes the forks are probably under some pressure...but it 
shouldn't be too much.  Make sure that you have the bike on a front stand 
from the steering head to unload them as much as possible.  What are you 
trying to do to them?

Keener

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I raced in '97 using the stock front end with some washers to stiffen it
some.  Sure it sucks, but it's not worth the money in my opinion.  It was
good enough to beat some 750s (GT1) around Summit Point and be 1st place
amateur in my last race-lightweight sportsman.  Only mods were a Hindle
pipe, jet kit, one less tooth on the front sprocket, and an Airtech fairing
which was on the bike when I bought it.  On a good day it had 43 hp.  If you
want to be competitive these days, get an SV.  I plan on racing mine at
Summit in 2003 once I'm out of the Marine Corps.  If your plan is to race
cheaply stick with the GS, but do w/o an alternate front end.

Travis  K-Bay, HI / Sterling, VA
'01 SV650S  '95 RC36  '91 GS500  '85 VF500
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> for those of you who've set up GS500's for racing... what front-ends can
you graft onto the GS? Katana? GSXR? SV? Where/how do I go about finding the
requisite data to do this? Should I bend the ear of CAD? The stealers I talk
to for the most part have no earthly clue what various dimensions are. and
none of the 'fiche bothers with measurements either.
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In a message dated 6/29/01 3:40:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
t_gimer@XXXXXX writes:

> dave yakov and the gang over at CAD are also trusted....but
>  they aren't able to give you a "honda" sticker (at least i
>  don't think so).

True.  Yankoff will be straightforward with you.  ANother good shop is 
SpeedWerks in Dover DE.  I work with them for my racebikes.  Very 
cheap....but it's also a 2 hour drive for me each way.  

Keener

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> I need to fool with the spacers on the forks on my newly acquired FZR
> stealth m/c to get the sag set properly.  I need to know how easy (or
> not) this will be and what to expect.  Any special tools needed?

You don't need any tools save whatever you need to open up the top of the forks. Nothing to it normally. Buy yourself some convenient lengths of PVC or thin-wall metal pipe from Home Depot or whatever and a ruler and a saw.

> major concerns are: (a) whether stuff will come flying out of the fork
> tubes when I take the caps off and 

If you don't keep the pressure applied, you can very well have the fork springs come flying out. keep your hand over it.

(b) how hard it will be to compress
> the springs to put the caps back on.  FYI, the forks have been Race
> Tech'ed with stronger springs (.90) and Gold Valve Emulators.  Thanks in

I take it you didn't do the work. I probably have a bit too much pre-load on my Trident's forks (also 43mm) and struggled mightily trying to get the cap back on. But I grabbed my roomie and had him hold the fork steady so I could concentrate just on the cap. Went right on with a hefty bit of down-force. My NH's forks were easier since I didn't take them off the bike to begin with.
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Umm, technically you are right.  But this is VA not PA.  Expect new tar
soon.  Some parts of 647 have already been repaved.

T
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> What's happening on 647 is poor man's asphalt concrete used on secondary
> roads.  Basically what they do it spread a layer of "tar" (asphalt
actually)
> and then a layer of chipped stone on top (the aggregate). This is
so-called
> "chip and seal" or "cold mix" to distinguish it from "hot mix" where the
> asphalt and aggregate are mixed together off site, then laid down.  At
first
> it appears to be gravel, but some of it bonds to the layer underneath.
> Eventually the loose aggregate layer will either get mooshed (highly
> technical term) into the "tar" or get swept off the road by the rain and
> passing vehicles.  Once that happens the road will appear normal once
again.
> In the meantime, I agree, it's a PITA for bikes.
>
> Paul in DC
> 95 VFR750F
> Architect, not engineer, but I do understand these things
>
>


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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 07:55:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Weaver <chris_vtr@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Bike Night I.D.s
To: "Wood, Sally" <swood@XXXXXX>,
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Well, I was there and I've written . I
was wearing work clothes (khakis and short-sleeve
shirt) 
Ring any bells? :^)

Chris Weaver
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---------------------------------------------------------
Squid!

T


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Damn!

Not only is it scary that my image actually came up (thanks to Bob
Broeking), it has to be one of the most shit-eating grins w/o my beard I've
ever seen.  What a ham!

Todd (Springfield, VA)
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To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

I tried my name (it's rather unique) and came up with
a hit. Possibly my work ID badge picture. The link
didn't work, but freaky nonetheless.

Matt


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> So, I'm poking around Slashdot today, and there's a
> blurb on Google's
> new (beta) Image Search Engine. (For those that
> don't use it Google
> is an excellent internet search engine. Try it.
> <www.google.com>)
> Anywho, just for shits and grins, I throw my name
> into the search
> engine. (The image engine can be found at
> http://images.google.com/)
>
> The following page comes up:



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In a message dated 6/29/2001 4:55:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
ljtanner@XXXXXX writes:

> My only remaining concern is that the brake pads are dragging on the rotor
>  some.  I assume (there I go again) they will seat in soon?
>  

They all drag "Just a little" You will be able to hear a shh shh shh as the 
wheel turns, but should not feel any drag. When in doubt ask a lister to 
"feel" it for you.

John Walters (Long John)
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Up near DC

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    (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.)
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Anybody gonna be around and doing something interesting for the 4th of July
this year?

Keep me on your replies.

Todd (Springfield, VA)


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Lets have a show of hands:

Anyone care to meet at COLLEGE PARK area for ride to lunch ?


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ljtanner@XXXXXX writes:

> My only remaining concern is that the brake pads are dragging on the rotor
>  some.  I assume (there I go again) they will seat in soon?

You also might have too much fluid in the reservoir...that would keep the 
pads pushed against the rotor...

HTH
Steve Broadstreet

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<BR>&gt; My only remaining concern is that the brake pads are dragging on the rotor
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I was at bike night as well.  I saw a guy with short
hair and a goatee talking with who must been Chuck
Pena being as he was sitting on the much written about
flat-black FZR.  Saw the same guy in a Ford Escort on
Montrose Road in Bethesda on Thurs night eyeing the
2000 GSXR 750 with the high mounted Mig exhaust and
euro tail I was riding behind (my ride being a F1,
also present were a Katana and YZF 750).  Just
wondering who you are!





Adam Reinhardt



89 CBR

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***PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND WITH THE REPLY FUNCTION, AS THIS WAS SENT TO
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Tom 
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All:

There will be a community meeting in Summit Point on Thursday July 12. It
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Will Astle

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From: Thad B Groghan <tgroghan@XXXXXX>

Well this weekend has already proven to be very interesting.  It
basically started on Thursday evening when I started prepping my TL1000S
to head to Virginia International Raceway(VIR), for Track/fun day.  I
stayed up ALL night, no sleep from Thur to Friday, working on the bike
running here and there getting the tires on it, changing oil and such. 
After a failed attempt at going to work I came home and slept till 8pm,
thinking that there would be no/less traffic from Maryland to
RIchmond.... WRONG.  After heading south on 495/95 I detoured to 301 and
took it all the way down to Richmond... first time for that, and last
too.  But the rest of the trip down was flawless...getting in about
1:30am.  Sleeping in the truck and then waking up at 6am to unload the
bike at VIR, a beautiful sunrise and day to be proven.  

On the second twenty min. session out I was in turn number 7, an off
camber, down hill turn... and the rear slides out from under me.  Mind
you this is the first time I've ever been down on a bike, since I started
riding back in 1997.  I WAS SHOCKED.... I didn't realized I was not on
the bike until I looked at my right hand.... and it was not on the
grip... then I didn't know I was sliding until I stopped looking at the
sky.  I slid a good ways, the TL slid further.  I Got up and was in
shock.... Feeling a little road rash on my knee, went right thru the
Vanson leather pants.  When I was sliding I remembered saying to
myself...keep the helmet off the ground!!!  Glad to say that it didn't
hit!  Funny those thoughts that go thru your mind.  THere was a guy right
on my tail and he went wide out into the grass, and kept his up.  After I
got up I then picked the bike up by myself, looking over what was damaged
and if I could ride it the rest 1/2 of the track....... it was not too
bad, a little bruse on the upper race fairing, small rash on the rad.,
tore the end of the handle bar off, damaged brake lever, bent foot brake
lever (didn't need it anyways), and scraped up my perfect M4 2-1 exhaust
(though not that bad).  

Looking back on it I can't really remember what happened.  I think I
might of goosed it a little, the throttle, when going thru the turn.  The
guys behind me said I was up one second and down the next....  I guess
that's how it happens.  I would not blame it on the tires, I'd say I did
something wrong.  That all aside, it won't cost much to get it right back
out.  It will cost more to send my Vanson's up to Mass. to get them
patched.  

All in all the good Lord was watching over me, no damage to me, and
minimal to the bike.  Past that the day was a lot of fun.  Even the
experience of falling off was a bit neat... but I don't want to make a
habbit of it!!!  ON the way back I thought of a great t-shirt idea.  Get
this... one slogan that says when "little boys fall down" (showing a
little baby crying after falling down), then another caption "when big
boys fall down"(showing a bike sliding away from someone on a racetrack! 
Let me know if anyone wants to print up a shirt like that, I'd buy it. 
On the front another slogan, if you don't go down, your not trying hard
enough~.

Thanks for letting me share my experience,
Thad

1995 Buell S2
1997 TL1000S (race)

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Hi All

Does anyone have a Motorcycle Trailer for sale? I am looking for one which 
will hold two bikes.

Thanks

Richard