From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun  1 08:44:25 2001
From: eschelzig@XXXXXX
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Bike Storage
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 08:39:53 -0400

Looking for some help from the travelers/movers on the list:  I am moving
abroad for about a year and need to mothball my KLR.  Everyone I've spoken
to has told me to put in high grade gasoline and some fuel stabilizer, do an
oil change, and disconnect the battery.  Sounds fine to me.  But when
talking to a moving company, they have told me that it will be necessary to
drain the bike of all fluids before they will move or store it.  This
doesn't sound like a good plan.  Has anybody had any experience in this
field?  Incidentally, I will be moving from DC to Miami, in case anyone is
wondering.

Thanks and bests,

Erik

01 KLR650

From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun  1 09:23:52 2001
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 09:22:20 -0400
To: eschelzig@XXXXXX
From: Justin Lemrow <firblt@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Bike Storage
Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

why store it?

ride it :)

Justin

>Incidentally, I will be moving from DC to Miami, in case anyone is
>wondering.
>
>Erik
>01 KLR650


From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun  1 09:28:19 2001
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 06:28:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Trey Herb <trey_22206@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Bike Storage
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

<snip>I will be moving from DC to Miami</snip>

Since when is Miami abroad. I know they don't speak
english but it is still part of the USA (last time I
checked).


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From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun  1 09:29:02 2001
From: eschelzig@XXXXXX
To: firblt@XXXXXX
Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: RE: Bike Storage
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:24:52 -0400

Sorry I wasn't clear -- the route is this :  Washington, DC -- Germany --
Miami in the span of about a year.

Erik

-----Original Message-----
From: Justin Lemrow [mailto:firblt@XXXXXX]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 9:22 AM
To: Erik Schelzig
Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Bike Storage


why store it?

ride it :)

Justin

>Incidentally, I will be moving from DC to Miami, in case anyone is
>wondering.
>
>Erik
>01 KLR650

From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun  1 10:06:30 2001
From: bergman@XXXXXX
To: eschelzig@XXXXXX
cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Bike Storage
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 10:05:12 -0400



In your message dated: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 08:39:53 EDT,
The pithy ruminations from eschelzig@XXXXXX on
<Bike Storage> were:
=> Looking for some help from the travelers/movers on the list:  I am moving
=> abroad for about a year and need to mothball my KLR.  Everyone I've spoken
=> to has told me to put in high grade gasoline and some fuel stabilizer, do an
=> oil change, and disconnect the battery.  Sounds fine to me.  But when
=> talking to a moving company, they have told me that it will be necessary to
=> drain the bike of all fluids before they will move or store it.  This
=> doesn't sound like a good plan.  Has anybody had any experience in this
=> field?  Incidentally, I will be moving from DC to Miami, in case anyone is
=> wondering.

Why not just ship the bike to Germany? There's very good riding there (those
things called the Alps, you know) and KLRs are popular. Lufthansa should be
able to do the shipping for about $650 each way, and it's really, really easy
(I've done it). You don't need to drain any fluids, and they are really careful.

Get in touch with me off the list for more details, including info about
insurance and a good shipping broker.

Mark
=>
=> Thanks and bests,
=>
=> Erik
=>
=> 01 KLR650
=>




From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun  1 10:19:22 2001
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:14:46 -0400
From: <sdave@XXXXXX>
To: eschelzig@XXXXXX
Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Bike Storage

Erik pondered aloud:


> Looking for some help from the travelers/movers on the list:  I am
moving
> abroad for about a year and need to mothball my KLR.  Everyone I've
spoken
> to has told me to put in high grade gasoline and some fuel
stabilizer, do an
> oil change, and disconnect the battery.  Sounds fine to me.

   WEEEEEEELL...  that's O K, but of course, it's better to keep it
running...


  But when
> talking to a moving company, they have told me that it will be
necessary to
> drain the bike of all fluids before they will move or store it.
This
> doesn't sound like a good plan.  Has anybody had any experience in
this
> field?  Incidentally, I will be moving from DC to Miami, in case
anyone is
> wondering.


   well, I'd be hesitant to drain the bike of all fluids.  <sigh>
it's a sacrifice, but, I'll tell you what... I'll ride the bike for
you while you're gone.  Stored in a garage, regular maintenance, and,
for some extra consideration, I'll take it on some dirt roads, keep
the suspension working and all.  After all, you don't want your bike
collecting dust in some storage area, other stuff piling on top of
it, only casually glanced at by some uncaring BDC?

Anything for a LM in need....

Dave Yates


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From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun  1 10:24:34 2001
From: Cedric Bernescut <bernescut@XXXXXX>
To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: FW: [cbr] Warchild's Deerstrike
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:24:33 -0400

With all the recent discussion of deer hunting I thought I'd cross post this
from another list.
Warning: Not for Small Children of Animal Lovers.
Cedric

Subject: [cbr] Warchild's Deerstrike

I guess Warchild was another one driven away. Anyway, here's a good, good
story he wrote on another site.

http://network54.com/Hide/Forum/message?forumid=116563&messageid=991190275




From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun  1 12:19:37 2001
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 1973 12:28:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Garcia Oliver <garicao@XXXXXX>
To: eschelzig@XXXXXX
cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Bike Storage

On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote:

> Looking for some help from the travelers/movers on the list:  I am moving
> abroad for about a year and need to mothball my KLR.  Everyone I've spoken
> to has told me to put in high grade gasoline and some fuel stabilizer, do an
> oil change, and disconnect the battery.  Sounds fine to me.  But when

No personal experience with this, but you should be able to get away
with: (1) drain gas tank til dry. Pour in some heavy oil (30 wt?),
slosh it around til it has covered the inside of the tank; drain excess.
(2) drain carb (should be a screw on the float bowl). (3) put a bit
(tablespoon) of oil in sparkplug hole, crank engine a few times,
reinstall plug.  (4) the battery will be a throw-away in a year unless you
can arrange occasional recharging; otherwise might as well sell/give it away
now. (5) wax/grease/oil/wd40/armor-all parts that you think might rust.

--garcia

"Florida: all voters are equal, but some are more equal than others."

From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun  1 13:22:00 2001
From: "Custer, Carl" <Carl.Custer@XXXXXX>
To: "'DCCycles'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Cc: "'dcanderson_iii@XXXXXX'" <dcanderson_iii@XXXXXX>,
   "'the.horkster@XXXXXX'" <the.horkster@XXXXXX>
Subject: Parking & Horns
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 13:22:26 -0400

DC Anderson III asked: "Does anyone know of any motorcycle parking down near
the MCI Center?"

On the north side of Indiana next to 6th street.
Also on the north side of G, close to 7th there is a blank "free parking
spot" that may have been designated for motorcycles once.  "The list sez
there's one there.
Dale, can you post "the list" a hard drive crash wiped my copy.

Horns:
John claimed: "One point on horns, what I have learned over the years is
that when I really want a horn I am WAY to busy to use one. I too like loud
horns, but find them useless in a real emergency."

When in town or traffic: Cover your brake lever, cover your horn button.
But remember people (even BDCs) react to sight faster than to sound so use
lane positioning and lights to avoid having to use either brakes or tooters.

See one horn (& lights) mounting suggestion below:

Carl in Bethesda
Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over
snow, and around road ragers.
'85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666)
'97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red)

Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters:
http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg
http://www.crosswinds.net/~denbrook/Motorcycles/Events/mmc-2-17-01/Carls_Sab
re.jpg

From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun  1 13:36:56 2001
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:36:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Weaver <chris_vtr@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Parking & Horns
To: "Custer, Carl" <Carl.Custer@XXXXXX>,
   "'DCCycles'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Cc: "'dcanderson_iii@XXXXXX'" <dcanderson_iii@XXXXXX>,
   "'the.horkster@XXXXXX'" <the.horkster@XXXXXX>

> Dale, can you post "the list" a hard drive crash
> wiped my copy.

You can find "the list" on www.dccycles.com under
"Area Riding" and "DC Parking."

Here it is for convenience though.

Chris

-----------

Parking Tips:
1. When parked in spaces designed for their exclusive
use, motorcycles must park in designated areas with
rear wheel to the curb.
2. Metered parking is in effect during the hours
posted.
3. No motorized vehicle without pedals shall park on
islands or sidewalks. ($50!! BTDT)
4. Park one motorcycle per stall.
5. Most parking is metered for 4 hours, at 25 cents
per hour.
6. Motorcycles may park in metered zones for
automobiles providing the parking meter is paid. When
parked in spaces designed for automobiles, motorcycles
should park parallel to the curb.

300 block Eye St NW -- 14 spaces
800 block Vermont Ave, NW -- 23 spaces (meters more
expensive)
600 block Indiana Ave. NW -- 6 (In the shade, next to
6th)
600 block E St NW -- 6 (Not marked, no meters)
600 block G St. NW --6 (Not there anymore??)
600 block 2nd St. NW -- 10 spaces

2000 block T St NW -- 10
1300 block New York Ave NW -- 10
1700 block M St. NW -- 31
1400 block G St. NW -- 14

2100 block Eye St. NW -- 10 spaces
1800 block H St NW -- 16 (shaded)
2200 block E St NW -- 9
1100 block Vermont Ave NW -- 10
Unit block G St NW -- 8 (On the south side of G St.
immediately west of North Capitol. No meters, just a
sign that says Motorcycle parking. LB)

1200 block New Hampshire Ave NW -- 20 spaces
1500 block 19th St NW -- 7
1700 block G St NW -- 11
2200 block F St NW -- 6
1400 block M St NW -- 6

900 block 15th St NW -- 12
1800 block Eye St NW -- 9
1300 block K St NW -- 9 (Next to 14th, shaded from
noon sun; where the elite parque)
1800 block Pennsylvania Ave NW -- 9 spaces
2000 block Florida Ave NW -- 10

1800 block M St NW -- 24
1100 block Thomas Jefferson St NW -- 5
3000 block VanNess St NW -- 13 spaces
2500 block 6th St NW -- 10
200 block Independence Ave SE -- 9
300 block Virginia Ave SW -- 10
800 block C St. SW -- 10

Some might find this useful:
There is free motorcycle parking (no meter heads) on
C, SW between 12th & 14 behind USDA.
In the USDA parking lot on Independence close to 12th
On the SW side of the Humphrey building (200
Independence?) the Humphrey building (Independence
Ave, SW) has free MC parking on the sidewalk/patio and
is sort of covered (there's a roof way up high). It's
on the SW side of the building (KR)


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From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun  1 13:56:26 2001
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 13:55:37 -0400
From: Dale Horstman <the.horkster@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Parking & Horns
To: Chris Weaver <chris_vtr@XXXXXX>
Cc: "Custer, Carl" <Carl.Custer@XXXXXX>,
   "'DCCycles'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>,
   "'dcanderson_iii@XXXXXX'" <dcanderson_iii@XXXXXX>

Chris Weaver wrote:
>
> > Dale, can you post "the list" a hard drive crash
> > wiped my copy.
>
> You can find "the list" on www.dccycles.com under
> "Area Riding" and "DC Parking."

Cool, thanks Chris!  I'm off the hook looking through
my saved messages.  :)

Dale

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Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth

'98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer
'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi
'82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress

From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun  1 14:08:28 2001
From: "Paul Wilson" <pawilson@XXXXXX>
To: "dc-cycles list" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: DC "free" MC parking, was Re: Parking & Horns
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 14:11:44 -0400

I was downtown yesterday and parked at 15th and Eye and noticed something
untoward.  It looks like they're installing some kind of parking fee
collection system at the currently "free" spots.  Not sure what's up with
that.  I'll give my DPW contact a call to see what's going on.

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F
----- Original Message -----
From: Custer, Carl <Carl.Custer@XXXXXX>

> DC Anderson III asked: "Does anyone know of any motorcycle parking down
near
> the MCI Center?"
>
> On the north side of Indiana next to 6th street.
> Also on the north side of G, close to 7th there is a blank "free parking
> spot" that may have been designated for motorcycles once.  "The list sez
> there's one there.
> Dale, can you post "the list" a hard drive crash wiped my copy.


From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun  1 18:11:53 2001
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 18:09:36 -0400
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
From: Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX>
Subject: Dead list.

Doctor, the list is going into defib! Charging paddles! Clear!
*bzzzt* It's no good! Bring it up to 50Kw. Clear! *bzzzz* Damn!
Alright, let's call it. Time of death, 12:28:34, June 1st, 1973. (Hey
Garcia, check your computer's clock!)

Have a good weekend, kids. Bring me some good stories for Monday. And
maybe a bottle or two of Uncle Jemima's Mash Liqour. If you're like
me, you wanna get bit just as fast as possible.


--
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the
skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #230 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html


From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun  1 19:38:47 2001
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 1973 19:47:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Garcia Oliver <garicao@XXXXXX>
To: Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX>
cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Dead list.

On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Sean Jordan wrote:

> Doctor, the list is going into defib! Charging paddles! Clear!
> *bzzzt* It's no good! Bring it up to 50Kw. Clear! *bzzzz* Damn!
> Alright, let's call it. Time of death, 12:28:34, June 1st, 1973. (Hey
> Garcia, check your computer's clock!)

Computer's clock is fine. You have met the CapAccess solution to y2k.
Really.

--garcia

"A horse divided against itself cannot stand."

From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun  1 21:01:51 2001
From: "Ricardo Pontes" <ricardopontes@XXXXXX>
To: "Dccycles" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: for the truly energy conscience
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 21:06:59 -0400



I really think this is a great idea. But i think this sort of thing would be
best suited for scooters. I woudlnt mind owning a fully electric or hybrid
scooter. Only problem is that many scooters get around 100mpg already.
Italjet formula gets around 90 if you thrash it, 105 if you take it easy.
But then again the top speed is kind of low. If they make a scooter version
of this hog, i will probably buy it.

Ricardo Pontes
www.geocities.com/ricardopontes






I followed some of the links and found this really funky looking ride:
http://www.ecycle.com/powersports/hybrid.htm
But seeing the semi-success of this engineering idea in cars I think it will
be the way electric motorcycles get started (no pun intended).
Cedric


The tree huggin, granola eatin, hemp wearin bike.



http://user.icx.net/~jfairstein/electric.html

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From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun  1 22:45:32 2001
From: "Todd Peer" <toddbpeer@XXXXXX>
To: "AA DC Cycles" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: [cbr] Warchild's Deerstrike
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 22:43:52 -0400

Dale Wilson is on the ST1100, LDRider, IBDone and CBR lists.  He also
occassionally posts to the HSTA list, but more for the mere thrill of
ruffling the old folks feathers.  He's a stalwart ego that could not ever
possibly be driven away from anything.  In fact, the man seems to subsist on
email conflict at times.

Nevertheless, he is an amusing read.

Todd (Springfield, VA)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------
From: Cedric Bernescut <bernescut@XXXXXX>
To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: FW: [cbr] Warchild's Deerstrike
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:24:33 -0400

With all the recent discussion of deer hunting I thought I'd cross post this
from another list.
Warning: Not for Small Children of Animal Lovers.
Cedric

Subject: [cbr] Warchild's Deerstrike

I guess Warchild was another one driven away. Anyway, here's a good, good
story he wrote on another site.

http://network54.com/Hide/Forum/message?forumid=116563&messageid=991190275




From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun  1 23:41:27 2001
From: "mobacc" <mobacc@XXXXXX>
To: "DC-Cycles" <DC-Cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Thanks.  and Back to Your Roots, Gendarme
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 22:44:38 -0400

    o  Thanks, sympathizers, for the kind thoughts re my recent shoveoff.
Appreciated.

    o  Couldn't help chuckling over a serendipitious photo in the 5/20 Post
magazine, p.6 , contrasting the current list postings about distasteful area
police vehicles and practices:

[A B/W photo showing 5 policemen in full horse-regalia uniforms straddling
period motorcycles (+ a chief) in front of a store].  Caption:

"In 1922, Montgomery County was farm country: . ..   ...posing ... on July 4
[police] Chief ... and his men on their first day of duty.  . . ..  They
didn't have much beyond their badges.  Their only training was on riding
motorcycles, and there was no office . . ..  If they needed to cart someone
to jail, the prisoner often had to ride along on the motorcycle, handcuffed.
Still there were bootleggers and chicken thieves to chase down . . .."

Certainly no brother motorcyclists.

July 4, 2002 will be the 80th anniversary of the forming of this august
group.

Bill S. / DC
[99 VN750] --> I'll bet I could sniff out bootleggers and chicken thieves.
And deal punish enough to handcuffed pillioners.
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding fun.


From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun  2 00:32:17 2001
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 21:32:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nomad <nomad98@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re:Bike Storage
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

<<snip>I will be moving from DC to Miami</snip>

<Since when is Miami abroad. I know they don't speak
english but it is still part of the USA (last time I
checked).

I lived in South Miami for four long years; It is indeed a foreign
country. No se hable ingles!

Typically, moving companies are most concerned about gasoline, not
oil. Should you decide to transport the bike to Germany/Miami, empty
the gas tank but don't bother with the carbs or oil. You'll regret
not having your bike in Germany.

Herb
'99 VFR
'94 Magna

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From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun  2 11:11:28 2001
From: "Seth Kaplan" <seth@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Bike Storage
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 11:12:29 -0400

I have a KLR too.  There are two schools of thought on fluid prep for
storage.  Theory 1 is top everything off, including the gas tank.  This
reduces the area for condensation in the tank (esp. over the winter) so
you'll be able to start it up next spring.  Theory 2 is drain the gas tank
(i.e. run it till it konks out - remember to have the fuel gauge on
reserve).  The logic here is the same as theory 1, albeit to remove the
condensation causing element altogether.  I think either is fine, but if you
are going to leave the fuel in, definitely put in stabilizer - it makes the
fuel more syrupy and less apt to freezing, separating, and condensing.
Always disconnect the battery, ESP. on that bike.  I sometimes disconnect
mine if I'm not gonna rider her for a couple of weeks, let alone an entire
year.  Have a safe trip.

-- Seth

'97 Valk
'00 KLR650


From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun  2 16:19:16 2001
From: "Matthew Patton" <pattonme@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 15:19:05 -0500
Subject: Re: Warchild's Deerstrike

Couple of observations:

This is what horns are for. When I'm unsure, I bleep my horn often. You can't hear an MC engine/exhuast when it's coming toward you. And dear definately don't pick up on it. Horns they do notice.

<quote>I checked the tachometer,
looked up at the Sigma, then down to the temp gauge, then looked up to see the 75-lb doe looking right at me, </quote>

Any good pilot knows you scan and look up, scan and look up, scan and look up. reading 3 instruments one after the other is too much time away from looking at the road. Even more so since th author was apparently very aware that critters were highly possible.

As to the 'shit' or the amount of it. I believe we humans have about 12ft worth of intestine in our abdomons. Dear would have a lot, too.
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 they should have voted to convict."


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From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun  2 16:35:59 2001
From: "Matthew Patton" <pattonme@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 15:35:55 -0500
Subject: Fairly friendly Suzuki dealer

I was up in Winchester to pick up my Honda parts and stopped by the 'zuk/kawi/yam dealer there on US50 a few miles east of I-81 to get a price quote on some parts. Headlight brackets etc. for a GS500E were way more than I think they're worth (will call a breaker) but just for grins I stopped by Loudoun Motorsports in Leesburg to get a comparison. Loudoun's was almost 2x as expensive. I was appalled. I queried their main parts man as to what's up with that and got a disinterested shrug. I let him know that I currently do all my HOnda parts business with Shenandoah Honda and was thinking about consolidating business a little closer (now that I have suzuki's in the stable) but that there was no way unless his prices were more reasonable.

He gave me one of those, "I don't give a shit, why don't you piss off" sort of looks. 'Piss off' I did. I was even more upset when he said I could buy a VIP card for $40 and thereby get a 10% discount of stuff. I don't think so!!!

That's the last time I even THINK about visiting a DC/VA dealer for anything. Shenandoah Honda's prices are 10 - 20% cheaper than dealers around here AND I get a 15% discount on top of that. No questions asked, no requirement that you buy a bike there, no nothing.

At the previously mentioned zuk/yam/kawi dealer I didn't get the parts counter to come down much except to mention the 10% AMA discount but the person in charge there said to give the owner a ring during the week and was pretty sure we'd be able to come to some kind of understanding.


I'm new to Suzuki land. Anyone have suggestions for a GOOD shop that isn't intent on bilking the customer? I'm familiar with Whitt's and will pay them a visit. But other than that it seems I have to go to Winchester to find a 1/2 way decent outfit.
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From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun  2 17:03:45 2001
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 17:03:33 -0400
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
From: Troutman <mike@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Fairly friendly Suzuki dealer

I have good luck with Cycle Sport in Herndon.

At 04:35 PM 6/2/2001, Matthew Patton wrote:
>I'm new to Suzuki land. Anyone have suggestions for a GOOD shop that isn't
>intent on bilking the customer? I'm familiar with Whitt's and will pay
>them a visit. But other than that it seems I have to go to Winchester to
>find a 1/2 way decent outfit.


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         mike@XXXXXX
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From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun  2 18:45:23 2001
From: "Patrick Caulfield" <Patrick_Caulfield@XXXXXX>
To: "DCCycles" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Advice: Reckless Driving
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 18:36:17 -0400


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er to reduce the violation.  Roomie's on reckless #2, 3rd ticket, I'm on =
my 1st(and 1st on bike) and second speeding ticket.  Any help would be ap=
preciated!!!

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From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun  2 20:46:11 2001
To: DCBRAG@XXXXXX
Cc: BOL@XXXXXX, TL1000@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 20:40:48 -0400
Subject: FS:NEW Bridgestone BT56ss 180/55zr17 $103
X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-11
X-Juno-Att: 0
X-Juno-RefParts: 0
From: Thad B Groghan <tgroghan@XXXXXX>

For sale:
Brand new BT-56ss

size: 180/55zr17
Price: $103.00

Reason for selling, was forced to buy another tire in an emergency
situation.
Thad
Location: Maryland
tgroghan@XXXXXX


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From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun  3 09:04:53 2001
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 09:05:02 -0400
From: Paul Wilson <pawilson@XXXXXX>
To: Matthew Patton <pattonme@XXXXXX>
CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Horn use, was Re: Warchild's Deerstrike

Matthew Patton wrote:
>
> Couple of observations:
>
> This is what horns are for. When I'm unsure, I bleep my horn often. You can't hear an MC engine/exhuast when it's coming toward you. And dear definately don't pick up on it. Horns they do notice.
>

I think the rule of thumb with the horn is, "use it, but don't rely on
it."  It certainly doesn't hurt.  Sometimes cagers give me a dirty look
for beeping at them, but it did make them notice me, so mission
accomplished.  The worst offenders are the "lane creepers" how can't
seem to keep themselves from wandering across the lane markers.  A
little toot usually wakes 'em up and keeps them on their side of the
dashed white lines.  I probably use my horn way more than the average
motorcyclist.

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F


From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun  3 09:15:33 2001
From: MJordan666@XXXXXX
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 09:15:29 EDT
Subject: Re: Advice: Reckless Driving
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

>So my roomie and I were cruising Sat enjoying the nice day and came up on a >
speed trap and got nailed for 57 in a 305.  What advice can anyone offer to >
reduce the violation.  Roomie's on reckless #2, 3rd ticket, I'm on my 1st(and
1st >on bike) and second speeding ticket.  Any help would be appreciated!!!

1. Get a good lawyer
2. Get a good radar detector - Valentine 1 is recommended. It will run you
about $500 with the remote audio and video - less than the cost of a lawyer.
3. Did I mention get a lawyer?

Michael J.
'93 GSX 1100G
'86 SRX-6
'99 V1

From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun  3 16:32:42 2001
From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 16:32:37 EDT
Subject: Re: va trailer inspection
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

In a message dated 5/31/2001 12:55:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
christopher.meier@XXXXXX writes:

> Yep, makes sense.  Ffx Cty ... not concerned about safety laws, but they
>  know the fees you have to pay down pat.
>
While I was out riding this weekend (577mi.) I saw someone pull right out in
front of a cop (not a local) so the cop had to _slam_ of his brakes to keep
from hitting him. Then the cop just kept on going... to a speed trap no
doubt. Morons!


John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC

Honda ST1100X Pan European
    (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.)
BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles
Honda 1976 CR250M  Motowhat racer

From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun  3 16:39:27 2001
From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 16:39:20 EDT
Subject: Re: for the truly energy conscience
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

In a message dated 5/31/2001 3:03:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
bernescut@XXXXXX writes:

> But seeing the semi-success of this engineering idea in cars I think it will
>  be the way electric motorcycles get started (no pun intended).

By the  way what good is an electric motorcycle or cage if you aint got no
power to charge it? (See California.)

Just wondering.

John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC

Honda ST1100X Pan European
    (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.)
BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles
Honda 1976 CR250M  Motowhat racer

From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun  3 16:42:23 2001
From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 16:42:14 EDT
Subject: Re: for the truly energy conscience
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

In a message dated 5/31/2001 3:48:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Rigopoulos_Mark@XXXXXX writes:

> I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want 60+lbs of Lead Acid batteries in
>  between MY legs.
>  Mark

Hell no! I want exploding hydrocarbons between my legs!


John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC

Honda ST1100X Pan European
    (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.)
BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles
Honda 1976 CR250M  Motowhat racer

From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun  3 17:06:37 2001
From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 17:06:30 EDT
Subject: Re: horns
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

In a message dated 6/1/2001 10:09:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
pattonme@XXXXXX writes:

> which is why you use the horn BEFORE it's an emergency. (SIPDE and all
that).

When I (P)redict some moron is about to do something stupid,  I (D)ecide not
to trust them to hear my horn. And (E)xecute  an evasive maneuver.
If it is not an emergency yet you do not need a loud horn. If it is, the
horn, no matter how loud cannot be relied on.


John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC

Honda ST1100X Pan European
    (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.)
BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles
Honda 1976 CR250M  Motowhat racer

From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun  3 22:05:35 2001
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 22:02:29 -0400
Subject: Summit Point Track Day Monday, June 11th
X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,5-9,11,13,15
From: Tom Fitzpatrick <celticracing@XXXXXX>

This is *not* for racers only!

Cycle Sport's Track Day is at Summit Point on Monday, June 11th.  You
must complete a safety seminar if you haven't done this before, so if you
have interest, call Mark in the parts department ASAP.  He can be reached
at (703) 471-6990.

This is how I got started.

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*Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX  (703)818-8890
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From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun  3 22:34:55 2001
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To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: roach did you sell Harley
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 02:23:26

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From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun  4 08:32:19 2001
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 05:32:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matthew Rosenstock <m_rosenstock@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Fairly friendly Suzuki dealer
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

If you're willing to travel a little, I buy my Suzuki
parts at Cycle Accesory Discounters in Gaithersburg.
You might want to give them a try via phone...
301-977-7188.


--- Matthew Patton <pattonme@XXXXXX> wrote:
> I was up in Winchester to pick up my Honda parts and
> stopped by the 'zuk/kawi/yam dealer there on US50 a
> few miles east of I-81 to get a price quote on some
> parts. Headlight brackets etc. for a GS500E were way
> more than I think they're worth (will call a
> breaker) but just for grins I stopped by Loudoun
> Motorsports in Leesburg to get a comparison.
> Loudoun's was almost 2x as expensive. I was
> appalled. I queried their main parts man as to
> what's up with that and got a disinterested shrug. I
> let him know that I currently do all my HOnda parts
> business with Shenandoah Honda and was thinking
> about consolidating business a little closer (now
> that I have suzuki's in the stable) but that there
> was no way unless his prices were more reasonable.
>
> He gave me one of those, "I don't give a shit, why
> don't you piss off" sort of looks. 'Piss off' I did.
> I was even more upset when he said I could buy a VIP
> card for $40 and thereby get a 10% discount of
> stuff. I don't think so!!!
>
> That's the last time I even THINK about visiting a
> DC/VA dealer for anything. Shenandoah Honda's prices
> are 10 - 20% cheaper than dealers around here AND I
> get a 15% discount on top of that. No questions
> asked, no requirement that you buy a bike there, no
> nothing.
>
> At the previously mentioned zuk/yam/kawi dealer I
> didn't get the parts counter to come down much
> except to mention the 10% AMA discount but the
> person in charge there said to give the owner a ring
> during the week and was pretty sure we'd be able to
> come to some kind of understanding.
>
>
> I'm new to Suzuki land. Anyone have suggestions for
> a GOOD shop that isn't intent on bilking the
> customer? I'm familiar with Whitt's and will pay
> them a visit. But other than that it seems I have to
> go to Winchester to find a 1/2 way decent outfit.
> --
>
>
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>  they should have voted to convict."
>
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From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun  4 08:35:25 2001
Date: Mon,  4 Jun 2001 08:35:18 -0400
From: "Chris Norloff" <cnorloff@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: horns

I agree with Paul (pattonme@XXXXXX) that using the horn is good to alert people and that you should not rely on it.

Yesterday was a perfect example - car pulling out the parking lot on the right, driver acted like he didn't see me.  As I applied the brakes I sounded the horn.  He looked, stopped, and let me by.

The non-horn alternative would be to hope he saw me (yeah, right!) or to stop in the road if he kept moving.

I think most people would agree that use of the horn was the better tactic.

the smaller the vehicle, the louder the horn,
Chris Norloff

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 17:06:30 EDT

>In a message dated 6/1/2001 10:09:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>pattonme@XXXXXX writes:
>
>> which is why you use the horn BEFORE it's an emergency. (SIPDE and all
>that).
>
>When I (P)redict some moron is about to do something stupid,  I (D)ecide not
>to trust them to hear my horn. And (E)xecute  an evasive maneuver.
>If it is not an emergency yet you do not need a loud horn. If it is, the
>horn, no matter how loud cannot be relied on.
>
>
>John Walters (Long John)
>PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
>Up near DC
>
>Honda ST1100X Pan European
>    (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.)
>BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles
>Honda 1976 CR250M  Motowhat racer
>

From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun  4 09:57:49 2001
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 06:57:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Trey Herb <trey_22206@XXXXXX>
Subject: other horns
To: DC-Cycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>

I was at a marine shop the other day picking up some
electric gear for my Trophy when I saw these big fat
round horns. the were not hooked up but was wondering
if anyone ever tried them on a bike. they look like
any easy install and are not badly priced.

Trey

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From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun  4 10:15:49 2001
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 10:15:16 -0400
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
From: Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX>
Subject: Funny comic today

http://www2.uclick.com/client/wpc/nq/

--
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the
skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #230 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html


From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun  4 10:49:13 2001
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 10:48:37 -0400
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
From: Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX>
Subject: For Sale (non-moto)

Hey guys, need to make room for some new thing by selling some old
things, so I thought I'd give you all first crack before I put the
stuff up on eBay. (The benefits of being a lister!)

Car stereo stuff:

Clarion Tape Deck & Clarion 6 disc changer. Specs and model #'s
available upon request. (I don't have them in front of me and can't
remember what they are.) This is higher end stuff. 2 1/2 years old,
great condition. $200

Kenwood 4 channel amp. 25 watts per channel RMS. High and low pass
filters. 2ohm stable. $100

Kenwood active powered eq. With fader and adjustable low-pass filter
subwoofer output. $75.


Non-Car Stereo stuff

AGV Rage 1 piece leathers. Red, black, and white. Light scuffing on
seat from a low speed track get off. Will pass tech with all race
organizations, no real damage to suit. I think it's a size 58. (Fits
me well and I'm 5'10" 175lbs.) This is a great suit for racing, track
days, or street riding. Let me know if you want to come by and try it
on. $150.

Garmin GPS 3 Brand new in box! Less than 20 minutes of use! $200

These items will be going on eBay later this week, so if you're
interested in anything, let me know!

--
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skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #230 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html


From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun  4 10:59:54 2001
From: Brian Roach <roach@XXXXXX>
To: DC Cycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: NESBA at VIR, a review.
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 10:59:52 -0400


Well, we spent all weekend at VIR with NESBA on the south course... and I'm
happy to report that I'm impressed with NESBA.

They are well organized, you gets tons of track time, and the squid level is
almost nill. Everyone involved with NESBA is very friendly and helpfull.
Their control riders are NOT racers looking for free track time - they
honestly take time to help out riders improve their cornering and riding
ability in the beginner and intermediate groups. Even the Advanced group is
devoid of squiddy behavior, which really surprised/pleased me. When talking
with people after a track session, the conversation isn't "Did you see me
pass so-and-so", etc ... it's about lap times, and if each person had made
improvements. Most of the advanced guys had onboard lap timers, or someone in
the pits with a watch. If you're not familiar with being around a racetrack,
let me explain that this is a good thing - lap times are the goal, not
stuffing someone into a corner then parking it in front of them :)  I was
riding my Aprilia cup bike, and never had a problem with 600 - 1000cc guys
trying to jam into a corner in front of me... they all understood this could
be the cause of an aprilia enima mid-corner.  I also had a lot of guys who
I'd pass ask for advice in between sessions - everyone seemed honestly
interested in improving their riding - egos were not bruised.

All and all, I'm very impressed, and we'll be hitting more of their days for
practice this year (including this Friday at Summit Point on the main
course). We originally were only going to go on Saturday, and ended up
staying for Sunday as well. I would whole heartedly recommend NESBA to anyone
looking to get on a track with their motorcycle.

- Roach

--


From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun  4 11:04:47 2001
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 08:04:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Trey Herb <trey_22206@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: NESBA at VIR, a review.
To: DC Cycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>

I absolutely concur. I went to NESBA at summit for the
free intro course. Absolutely great now all I need is
a race bike and a trailer.

Trey

--- Brian Roach <roach@XXXXXX> wrote:
>
> Well, we spent all weekend at VIR with NESBA on the
> south course... and I'm
> happy to report that I'm impressed with NESBA.
>
> They are well organized, you gets tons of track
> time, and the squid level is
> almost nill. Everyone involved with NESBA is very
> friendly and helpfull.
> Their control riders are NOT racers looking for free
> track time - they
> honestly take time to help out riders improve their
> cornering and riding
> ability in the beginner and intermediate groups.
> Even the Advanced group is
> devoid of squiddy behavior, which really
> surprised/pleased me. When talking
> with people after a track session, the conversation
> isn't "Did you see me
> pass so-and-so", etc ... it's about lap times, and
> if each person had made
> improvements. Most of the advanced guys had onboard
> lap timers, or someone in
> the pits with a watch. If you're not familiar with
> being around a racetrack,
> let me explain that this is a good thing - lap times
> are the goal, not
> stuffing someone into a corner then parking it in
> front of them :)  I was
> riding my Aprilia cup bike, and never had a problem
> with 600 - 1000cc guys
> trying to jam into a corner in front of me... they
> all understood this could
> be the cause of an aprilia enima mid-corner.  I also
> had a lot of guys who
> I'd pass ask for advice in between sessions -
> everyone seemed honestly
> interested in improving their riding - egos were not
> bruised.
>
> All and all, I'm very impressed, and we'll be
> hitting more of their days for
> practice this year (including this Friday at Summit
> Point on the main
> course). We originally were only going to go on
> Saturday, and ended up
> staying for Sunday as well. I would whole heartedly
> recommend NESBA to anyone
> looking to get on a track with their motorcycle.
>
> - Roach
>
> --
>


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From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun  4 11:39:25 2001
From: "Pflieger, Matthew M." <MATTHEW.M.PFLIEGER@XXXXXX>
To: "'roach@XXXXXX'" <roach@XXXXXX>,
   DC Cycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: NESBA at VIR, a review.
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 11:38:44 -0400

Thanks for the info.  I've been trying to plan my track days this year with
Team Pro-Motion and NESBA.  Its good to know either is a good choice.

Is anyone going to the NESBA days at Carolina Motorsports Park on the 16th &
17th (Saturday-Sunday)?  I spoke with a NESBA guy last week that said there
are definitely spots available so I might sign up.



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Roach [mailto:roach@XXXXXX]
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 11:00 AM
To: DC Cycles
Subject: NESBA at VIR, a review.



Well, we spent all weekend at VIR with NESBA on the south course... and I'm
happy to report that I'm impressed with NESBA.

They are well organized, you gets tons of track time, and the squid level is

almost nill. Everyone involved with NESBA is very friendly and helpfull.
Their control riders are NOT racers looking for free track time - they
honestly take time to help out riders improve their cornering and riding
ability in the beginner and intermediate groups. Even the Advanced group is
devoid of squiddy behavior, which really surprised/pleased me. When talking
with people after a track session, the conversation isn't "Did you see me
pass so-and-so", etc ... it's about lap times, and if each person had made
improvements. Most of the advanced guys had onboard lap timers, or someone
in
the pits with a watch. If you're not familiar with being around a racetrack,

let me explain that this is a good thing - lap times are the goal, not
stuffing someone into a corner then parking it in front of them :)  I was
riding my Aprilia cup bike, and never had a problem with 600 - 1000cc guys
trying to jam into a corner in front of me... they all understood this could

be the cause of an aprilia enima mid-corner.  I also had a lot of guys who
I'd pass ask for advice in between sessions - everyone seemed honestly
interested in improving their riding - egos were not bruised.

All and all, I'm very impressed, and we'll be hitting more of their days for

practice this year (including this Friday at Summit Point on the main
course). We originally were only going to go on Saturday, and ended up
staying for Sunday as well. I would whole heartedly recommend NESBA to
anyone
looking to get on a track with their motorcycle.

- Roach

--


From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun  4 11:45:17 2001
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 11:44:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: "lisa@XXXXXX" <lgoddard@XXXXXX>
To: dccycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: VFR and Givi




I know there is someone out there on the DC Cycles list who has the same
body style VFR as mine and has a Givi mounted tail bag.  Can you give me
a shout off list?

Thanks,

Lisa Goddard
'95 VFR




From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun  4 12:57:55 2001
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 10:48:24 -0500
From: "George Cole" <George.Cole@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>, <roach@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: NESBA at VIR, a review.

Hey Brian,

Looks like a good outfit, Glad I joined. They seem a little more organized then Team Pro Motion.

I will at Sumitt on Friday, Ill look you up.

Cheers,

George Cole


George M Cole
Technology Consultant
www.boisetech.com
301-523-4161
FAX 1-888-240-3154

>>> Brian Roach <roach@XXXXXX> wrote <SNIP>
Well, we spent all weekend at VIR with NESBA on the south course... and I'm
happy to report that I'm impressed with NESBA.



From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun  4 13:24:44 2001
From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 13:24:35 EDT
Subject: <no moto> Laid off....computer nerd in need of a job!
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

Damn, I guess the lay off bug buzzed by my office the other day.  Just
another lay off fatality (and I thought it wouldnt happen to me).  Anyway,
this computer nerd is in need of a position ASAP!
Im a Certified Netware Administrator 4.x/5.x with lots of help desk and
troubleshooting background (some law office experience as well).  Some WinNT
4/Win2000 experience also.
If your company is need of a Help Desk Specialist or Net Admin or you can
pass my info along to someone who might be able to help a fellow biker, let
me know and Ill send a resume.
Thanks
Dave

From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun  4 14:05:23 2001
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 11:05:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Weaver <chris_vtr@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: <no moto> Laid off....computer nerd in need of a job!
To: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX

Join the club. I was laid off several weeks ago and
still haven't found a new position. The headhunters
I've talked to seem to think the market is really
stagnant right now. I wish you good luck with your
search. I'm now looking overseas for work now, since
I'm not having much luck around here. By the way - any
list members have European contacts?

I'll keep my eyes open for you, Dave. Good luck.

Cheers,
Chris Weaver (web designer)


--- GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX wrote:
> Damn, I guess the lay off bug buzzed by my office
> the other day

> Thanks
> Dave


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From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun  4 16:07:00 2001
From: "Custer, Carl" <Carl.Custer@XXXXXX>
To: "'DCCycles'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Cc: "'pattonme@XXXXXX'" <pattonme@XXXXXX>,
   "'PenguinBiker@XXXXXX'" <PenguinBiker@XXXXXX>
Subject: horns
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 16:07:37 -0400

pattonme@XXXXXX writes:
> which is why you use the horn BEFORE it's an emergency. (SIPDE and all
that).

Long john Opined," When I (P)redict some moron is about to do something
stupid,  I (D)ecide not to trust them to hear my horn. And (E)xecute  an
evasive maneuver. If it is not an emergency yet you do not need a loud horn.
If it is, the horn, no matter how loud cannot be relied on."

You're correct that a horn may not help IN an emergency.
However, I believe Patton's point was: a horn can PREVENT an emergency by
getting the dumbass' attention.
A good toot will rip a BDC from their reverie and have them start looking
for the semi breathing down their neck.
Because a good toot stimulates the BDCs to pay attention, it makes the roads
a safer place for all.
<broken record> Don't rely on the horn to save your sorry butt at the last
second.  Visual conspicuity: lane placement, lights, yadda . . . are
critical factors . . . </broken record>

for the truly energy conscience
Mark claims:
> I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want 60+lbs of Lead Acid batteries
in  between MY legs.
>  Mark
L-J:" Hell no! I want exploding hydrocarbons between my legs!"

Anyone old enough to remember the line from Georgy Girl?
Reporter" "How do you remain so cheerful?"
Scooter star:
"If you had 50 ccs vibrating between your legs all day, you'd be cheerful
too."
RisquM-i stuff for 1966.

Carl in Bethesda
Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over
snow, and around road ragers.
'85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666) '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred
the Red)

Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters:
http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg
http://www.crosswinds.net/~denbrook/Motorcycles/Events/mmc-2-17-01/Carls_Sab
re.jpg


From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun  4 17:00:14 2001
From: "Laura Granato" <lgranato@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Track day at VIR, NESBA, my view
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 17:01:49 -0400

Wow is all I can say.  As Brian said, NESBA was awesome.  I started out in
the advanced group and quickly realized that I wanted to bump down to
intermediate.  I had just switched my bike to GP shift, and was learning a
new track, so I thought I'd be more comfortable in the intermediate group.
I went and asked about switching groups and they said "no problem."  After
that, my day was awesome.  the beginner and intermediate groups have control
riders, the advanced group doesn't, and let me tell you, I am glad that I
bumped down to a group with control riders.  I learned so much that day!
The control riders were awesome! They really knew what they were talking
about, and spent a lot of time with me on the track and off.  By the end of
the day, my riding had improved a lot.

I rode two whole days and didn't have one time where another rider did
something stupid.  No squidly moves out on the track, which made the
environment much more comfortable for learning.  I also heard, though, that
they do not put up with behavior like that...if someone is unsafe, they have
no problem telling them to leave.


All in all, awesome two days! NESBA is great, and we will be taking many of
their track days.  If you are new to a track, I'd suggest signing up with
NESBA.  The beginner group had a larger amount of control riders, and the
instruction was awesome. There was even a guy out there on a cruiser!!!
Check out their web site for a list of their track days...they have a ton!
www.nesba.com

Laura


From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun  4 21:30:06 2001
From: "Howard J. Koontz" <HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Harley radio?
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 21:29:32 -0400

Hey,
     I was thinking. I would really like to have a radio on my soundless
FLHT. But the Harley radio kit is about $750 all told and that doesn't
include having to do my own instllation. It would seem to me I could get any
decently priced marine radio (needs to be water-proof/resistant) and
speakers for a better price. Does anyone have anythoughts on this, or know
anyone who would? Feel free to hit me off list at this address or
HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX as I know it affect relatively few on this list.

Howard J. Koontz
2001 Harley Daidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard --> 600 miles a week so far.
Didn't see any of you once.
1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project



From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun  4 21:52:16 2001
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 21:46:19 -0400
From: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>
To: "Howard J. Koontz" <HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX>
CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Harley radio?

Clue - not all marine radios are water resistant - the one's they usually put in
new boats are $20 cheapos.  True story, I sold boats.  The feature you need is
the auto sound volume, reads the ambient noise and pumps up the volume so you
can hear it, and backs off when you slow down/stop.  But I'm sure *someone*
offers an m/c type radio at less than $750.

Bill

Howard J. Koontz wrote:

> Hey,
>      I was thinking. I would really like to have a radio on my soundless
> FLHT. But the Harley radio kit is about $750 all told and that doesn't
> include having to do my own instllation. It would seem to me I could get any
> decently priced marine radio (needs to be water-proof/resistant) and
> speakers for a better price. Does anyone have anythoughts on this, or know
> anyone who would? Feel free to hit me off list at this address or
> HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX as I know it affect relatively few on this list.
>
> Howard J. Koontz
> 2001 Harley Daidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard --> 600 miles a week so far.
> Didn't see any of you once.
> 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project


From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun  5 08:41:14 2001
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 05:41:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Leon Begeman <mriderleon@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Harley radio?
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

If you're going to put regular speakers on the bike,
don't skimp.  It takes a lot of volume to overpower
the wind and motor noise at 70 mph.

Lately I've been putting speakers in the helmet and
using those instead.  BassMonsters used to be the only
choice, but now J&M, Chatterbox and others have pretty
good headsets for helmets

Putting the speakers in the helmet also allows for a
reasonably priced CB/FRS/intercom to be integrated
into the system.  The microphone is not difficult to
mount when the speakers have to go in there anyway.

Leon.
--- "Howard J. Koontz" <HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Hey,
>      I was thinking. I would really like to have a
> radio on my soundless
> FLHT. But the Harley radio kit is about $750 all
> told and that doesn't
> include having to do my own instllation. It would
> seem to me I could get any
> decently priced marine radio (needs to be
> water-proof/resistant) and
> speakers for a better price. Does anyone have
> anythoughts on this, or know
> anyone who would? Feel free to hit me off list at
> this address or
> HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX as I know it affect relatively
> few on this list.
>
> Howard J. Koontz
> 2001 Harley Daidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard -->
> 600 miles a week so far.
> Didn't see any of you once.
> 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project
>
>


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From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun  5 08:51:00 2001
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 05:50:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scratch <iefbr142000@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Harley radio?
To: DCC <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>

Howard wrote:
> I would really like to have a radio on my soundless
> FLHT.

But you have all that classic 'merican motor music
already!

Rich

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From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun  5 09:36:04 2001
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 06:36:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nomad <nomad98@XXXXXX>
Subject: Attn: Chris Weaver
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

Chris:
E-mail me when you get the chance regarding a possible employment
opportunity.
Herb
Nomad98@XXXXXX

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From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun  5 09:48:34 2001
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 09:45:13 -0400
From: Dale Horstman <the.horkster@XXXXXX>
Subject: East Coast BBG
To: DC Cycles List <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>

Just trying to guage the interest in an East Coast BBG
group record attempt in order to shush the self-proclaimed
big dawgs out west.  Mid July, start in Raleigh, NC, down
to Fort Lauderdale, across Alligator Alley, end up in Lower
Alabama, that'd leave a near-1000 mile day to get back home.

We need around 40 riders to break the record.  Anyone
here interested?  I'm doing it.

Horkster

--
Mandatory second line (CM tm)

Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX  AWSHIDT #322 - 27 of 99 done.
Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth

'98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer
'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi
'82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress

From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun  5 12:19:24 2001
From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX
To: "lisa@XXXXXX" <lgoddard@XXXXXX>
Cc: dccycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: red light this morning
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 12:25:44 -0700

You have to watch out behind you too...

I was going down GA ave towards U street...  following a lady friend
riding her 93 gsxr 750.  The light turned yellow while she was in the
intersection, and I slowed down to stop for the soon to be red light..

I checked my mirror as I was braking to stop.. and I saw a car right
on my ass.. I guess the moron behind me thought I was going to rip
through the intersection..   so I modulated my brakes to keep a decent
space between us. So I come to a near stop after the white line so
that moron could come to a  stop first.

No way was I going to let that moron run me through an intersection
so I turned right on the street by howard U hospital.. then I figured,
well my friend is probably still on GA ave, so I hit a U turn, got the
green light, made a right and got back with her at the corner of U.

I'm glad I have mirrors,  good braking technique, and awareness to
check my mirrors.

Be safe out there!

Danny


From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun  5 13:20:43 2001
From: "Laura Granato" <lgranato@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: new member info section
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 13:22:19 -0400

Due to my HTML-challenged self, I have redone the bios section into a format
that I will be able to update easily.  I have NOT hooked up the web site
links in people's bios yet, so please don't email me telling me they don't
work. :-)  Take a peek.  Hopefully soon I'll be able to link each person's
name to their bio, but for now, this works.

I have a few more I have to add.  If anyone else wants their bio added, now
would be a great time to send me your info!!!!

Thanks!
Laura
www.dccycles.com


From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun  5 13:39:54 2001
From: "Laura Granato" <lgranato@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: featured member stuff needed
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 13:41:34 -0400

Hi all! I've added a new section in our member info section on the site.
It's called the "featured member" section.  Every few weeks I will feature a
new member on the site, so start sending me your stuff!!!

Here are a few questions to answer, but feel free to send me anything you
want to put up!!!

Name
Age
occupation
Personal Status
How many years riding
Current Bike
Dream Bike
Took MSF course?
best advice anyone ever gave you about riding
Scariest Moment on Your bike
Dumbest Thing you've ever done on your bike
Best advice for those getting into riding
Have you ever crashed? If so, share how and why (so others can learn)
Favorite part about riding
Biggest revelation you've had while riding
favorite motorcycle shop


TIA
Laura
favorite roads




From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun  5 16:51:06 2001
From: "Paul Wilson" <pawilson@XXXXXX>
To: "dc-cycles list" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: red light this morning
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 16:51:15 -0400

----- Original Message -----
From: <daniel_ex250@XXXXXX>

>You have to watch out behind you too...

>I was going down GA ave towards U street...  following a lady friend
>riding her 93 gsxr 750.  The light turned yellow while she was in the
>intersection, and I slowed down to stop for the soon to be red light..

>I checked my mirror as I was braking to stop.. and I saw a car right
>on my ass..

A very sound piece of advice.  MSF thumps on this, and with good reason.
What's the first thing you do when slowing to a stop?  Check your mirrors
for traffic behind you.  (Notice:  I put that tidbit in question form.  My
fellow newbie instructors out there will fully appreciate why I did that!)

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F
MSF certified instructor


From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun  5 19:06:01 2001
From: MJordan666@XXXXXX
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 19:05:46 EDT
Subject: Horns
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX


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I just put a set of Fiamms on that I got for Christmas a year or so back.

The bike no longer goes "Yoo-hoo, excuse me"

It now goes "GO HOME AND CHANGE YOUR UNDERWARE!"

I'm gonna troll for a BDC not paying attention...

Michael J.


--part1_e3.15c0bb9c.284ebfca_boundary

<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>I just put a set of Fiamms on that I got for Christmas a year or so back.
<BR>
<BR>The bike no longer goes "Yoo-hoo, excuse me"
<BR>
<BR>It now goes "GO HOME AND CHANGE YOUR UNDERWARE!"
<BR>
<BR>I'm gonna troll for a BDC not paying attention...
<BR>
<BR>Michael J.
<BR></FONT></HTML>

--part1_e3.15c0bb9c.284ebfca_boundary--

From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun  5 19:05:51 2001
From: MJordan666@XXXXXX
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 19:05:40 EDT
Subject: Horns
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX


--part1_a1.1668181d.284ebfc4_boundary

I just put a set of Fiamms on that I got for Christmas a year or so back.

The bike no longer goes "Yoo-hoo, excuse me"

It now goes "GO HOME AND CHANGE YOUR UNDERWARE!"

I'm gonna troll for a BDC not paying attention...

Michael J.


--part1_a1.1668181d.284ebfc4_boundary

<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>I just put a set of Fiamms on that I got for Christmas a year or so back.
<BR>
<BR>The bike no longer goes "Yoo-hoo, excuse me"
<BR>
<BR>It now goes "GO HOME AND CHANGE YOUR UNDERWARE!"
<BR>
<BR>I'm gonna troll for a BDC not paying attention...
<BR>
<BR>Michael J.
<BR></FONT></HTML>

--part1_a1.1668181d.284ebfc4_boundary--

From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun  5 22:19:48 2001
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 22:19:35 -0400
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
From: Andrew Culpepper <biga@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: East Coast BBG

At 09:45 AM 6/5/01 , you wrote:
>Just trying to guage the interest in an East Coast BBG
>group record attempt in order to shush the self-proclaimed
>big dawgs out west.  Mid July, start in Raleigh, NC, down
>to Fort Lauderdale, across Alligator Alley, end up in Lower
>Alabama, that'd leave a near-1000 mile day to get back home.
>
>We need around 40 riders to break the record.  Anyone
>here interested?  I'm doing it.
>
>Horkster

Good luck Dale.  I think it's the wrong time of year.  Maybe in December?

How 'bout we go to Mid-Ohio for the Vintage Races via Raleigh, Chattanooga,
Paducah, and Terra Haute.  We can start from the Woodbridge Commuter
Lot.  Or, if you want to start in Raleigh, we could hit Memphis too.  SA6
says we can do it in 23:07 averaging 70mph on the interstate.
This would be just about double my farthest day. :-)

Seriously though, I think it would be very difficult east of the Mississippi.

Andrew
'90 EX500


From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun  5 22:51:37 2001
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 19:51:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Suzookus Maximus <suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX>
Subject: Footpeg Riding Style
To: DC Cycles List <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>

Wanted to get some opinions from you all about where
you put your feet on the pegs. :)

Personally, I like to ride with ball of my foot on the
peg and just move it up a little to shift or brake. I
was thinking that it might be better just to ride with
the middle of my foot centered on the peg. However it
always feels kind of weird to me to keep it there for
long.

I don't usually have to shift that much on my bike on
most streets or back roads; I usually stick it in
third or fourth and ride up and down the powerband.
Anything above that tends to get me into 'wreckless'
territory. :0 Recently, I was thinking that the extra
tenths of a second might save me someday with the
right foot that much closer to the brake and it might
be worth 'get-n used to.'

Comments?

-jeff

=====
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->email: suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX
->web: http://profiles.yahoo.com/suzookusmaximus

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From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 07:07:47 2001
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 04:07:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Gimer <t_gimer@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Footpeg Riding Style
To: Suzookus Maximus <suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX>,
   DC Cycles List <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>

--- Suzookus Maximus <suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Wanted to get some opinions from you all about where
> you put your feet on the pegs. :)
>
> Personally, I like to ride with ball of my foot on the
> peg and just move it up a little to shift or brake. I
> was thinking that it might be better just to ride with
> the middle of my foot centered on the peg. However it
> always feels kind of weird to me to keep it there for
> long.
>
> I don't usually have to shift that much on my bike on
> most streets or back roads; I usually stick it in
> third or fourth and ride up and down the powerband.
> Anything above that tends to get me into 'wreckless'
> territory. :0

wreckless = good
reckless = bad

in virginia, reckless can be easily found in first or
second gear; third and fourth are for jail time; fifth and
sixth are useless.



> Recently, I was thinking that the extra
> tenths of a second might save me someday with the
> right foot that much closer to the brake and it might
> be worth 'get-n used to.'
>
> Comments?

it really depends on your riding conditions.  and, it is
entirely possible to grind the toes off your boots if you
get your foot stuck under the shifter/lever.  also, in my
opinion, if you "cover" the rear brake, you're more likely
to use too much of it and lock it up...also not good.  so,
in the twisties i put my weight on the balls of my feet and
get maximum clearance.  at many other times, i ride with my
feet under the shifter/lever for comfort.  always keeping
them in the same position is rather tiring....find a
consistent routine.





=====
tg

check out http://www.murphygimer.com

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From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 08:00:02 2001
From: "Todd Peer" <toddbpeer@XXXXXX>
To: "AA DC Cycles" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: East Coast BBG
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 07:58:17 -0400

Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 09:45:13 -0400
From: Dale Horstman <the.horkster@XXXXXX>
Subject: East Coast BBG
To: DC Cycles List <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>

Just trying to guage the interest in an East Coast BBG
group record attempt in order to shush the self-proclaimed
big dawgs out west.  Mid July, start in Raleigh, NC, down
to Fort Lauderdale, across Alligator Alley, end up in Lower
Alabama, that'd leave a near-1000 mile day to get back home.

We need around 40 riders to break the record.  Anyone
here interested?  I'm doing it.

Horkster
------------------------------------------------------------------

Me!

And for the very reason to shut them up already!

Todd (Springfield, VA)



From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 09:02:31 2001
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001  9:02 -0500
From: "Tuan Diep" <Tuan_Diep@XXXXXX>
To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: SV windshield

Does anyone know where I can get a good small windshield for the SV650?
THanks.    Tuan

From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 09:09:29 2001
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 06:09:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scratch <iefbr142000@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: Horns
To: MJordan666@XXXXXX, DCC <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>

Michael J. wrote...
"I just put a set of Fiamms on that I got for
Christmas a year or so back. "

I really like my Fiamm horn too.  It makes 'em think
there's a '71 Ford Galaxy 500 next to 'em.  I scared
the poop out of a cager on Sterling Blvd the other
day. I watched him drifting back and forth, and when
he finally drifted a little too far into my lane, I
gave him the TOOT (next to his open window). He jumped
so high, I think he banged his head on the roof of the
car. :)

Much more conducive to survival than my original
vintage Lucas horn.

Rich

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From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 10:19:25 2001
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 10:19:17 -0400
From: Chuck Pena <cvkgpena@XXXXXX>
To: DC Cycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
CC: parr@XXXXXX, novamgr@XXXXXX
Subject: Bike Night @ The Rock

Just a reminder to y'all that this Saturday, June 9th is Bike Night @
The Rock in DC from 5pm to 9pm.  We have the parking lot adjacent to The
Rock reserved for motorcycles.  The rooftop will be open.  Motorcycle
videos on the big screen.  Should be loads of fun.  More info at

http://www.geocities.com/bikenight

If you're not going to the beach, you'd better be at The Rock!

Chuck

--
"Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai
visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas

From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 10:24:20 2001
From: "Rob Keiser" <robkeiser@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: SV windshield
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 10:12:45 -0400

You might try Arizona Motorsports.  Looks like they have the Givi, and maybe
could get the National Cycle one I've seen elsewhere.

They're very good to us on the VFR list.

http://store.yahoo.com/azmotorsports/suzukisv650.html
http://www.nationalcycle.com/

Hope it helps.

Rob
'98 VFR800


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From: "Tuan Diep" <Tuan_Diep@XXXXXX>
To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: SV windshield
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001  9:02 -0500

Does anyone know where I can get a good small windshield for the SV650?
THanks.    Tuan

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From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 10:32:00 2001
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 10:31:48 -0400
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
From: Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Horns

--============_-1220284587==_ma============

>It now goes "GO HOME AND CHANGE YOUR UNDERWARE!"


Underware? Is that something that you put under your computer? You've
been in the Eastern Technology Corridor too long......

--
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the
skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #230 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html

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<html><head><style type="text/css"><!--
blockquote, dl, ul, ol, li { margin-top: 0 ; margin-bottom: 0 }
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<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Arial" size="-1">It now goes
&quot;GO HOME AND CHANGE YOUR UNDERWARE!&quot;</font></blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Underware? Is that something that you put under your computer?
You've been in the Eastern Technology Corridor too long......</div>
<div><br></div>

<div>-- <br>
&quot;For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and
the skillful defiance of it.&quot;<br>
<br>
-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)<br>
<br>
Sean Jordan<br>
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing<br>
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)<br>
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)<br>
WERA #230 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038<br>
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/j<span
></span>ordanracing.html<br>
</div>
</body>
</html>
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From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 10:46:38 2001
From: "Randy Moran" <jmoran@XXXXXX>
To: "Suzookus Maximus" <suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX>,
   "DC Cycles List" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: Footpeg Riding Style
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 07:41:54 -0400

I always ride with the balls of my feet on the pegs. Don't know if it's
better or not but it just feels better and it's also less likely that I'll
scuff my toes at heavy lean angles. I suppose the "foot closer to the brake
pedal" is a valid point, but in my case I don't use the back brake at all so
it doesn't matter.

Randy

-----Original Message-----
From: Suzookus Maximus [mailto:suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX]
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 10:52 PM
To: DC Cycles List
Subject: Footpeg Riding Style


Wanted to get some opinions from you all about where
you put your feet on the pegs. :)

Personally, I like to ride with ball of my foot on the
peg and just move it up a little to shift or brake. I
was thinking that it might be better just to ride with
the middle of my foot centered on the peg. However it
always feels kind of weird to me to keep it there for
long.

I don't usually have to shift that much on my bike on
most streets or back roads; I usually stick it in
third or fourth and ride up and down the powerband.
Anything above that tends to get me into 'wreckless'
territory. :0 Recently, I was thinking that the extra
tenths of a second might save me someday with the
right foot that much closer to the brake and it might
be worth 'get-n used to.'

Comments?

-jeff

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From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 11:05:13 2001
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 11:05:00 -0400
From: Chuck Pena <cvkgpena@XXXXXX>
To: Tuan Diep <Tuan_Diep@XXXXXX>
CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: SV windshield

Tuan,

The June 2001 issue of "Motorcyclist" had an article about "hopping up"
an SV.  The pic they had showed a Suzuki add-on quarter fairing
color-matched (red, in this case) to the bike.  Seemed kinda pricey at a
suggested retail of $429.99, however.  But along with the Targa solo
seat cowl, gave the naked SV a really nice look.

Chuck, aka Deerhunter

Tuan Diep wrote:
>
> Does anyone know where I can get a good small windshield for the SV650?
> THanks.    Tuan

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visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas

From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 11:10:34 2001
From: "Laura Granato" <lgranato@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: new article up...
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 11:12:12 -0400

article 2 of mine is up on www.roadracers.com

:-)
Laura


From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 11:27:29 2001
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 10:25:25 -0500
From: "George Cole" <George.Cole@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>, <Tuan_Diep@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: SV windshield

Tuan,

Check out the archives on svrider.com, there is a ton of info on different windscreens/fairings. A lot of people seem to like the Buell flyscreen.

I had a Targa on my SV, It took a lot of wind off of your mid section, but the windblast was directed right into my helmet and created lots of wind noise. The hole for the headlight was smaller than the light and at night the inside of the fairing was all lit up. I added some foam rubber to fix that.

Regards,

George Cole


George M Cole
Technology Consultant
www.boisetech.com
301-523-4161
FAX 1-888-240-3154

>>> "Tuan Diep" <Tuan_Diep@XXXXXX> 06/06 9:20 AM >>>
Does anyone know where I can get a good small windshield for the SV650?
THanks.    Tuan


From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 11:29:46 2001
From: "Laura Granato" <lgranato@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Check out todd's article
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 11:31:24 -0400

after many, many months of waiting...I wanted to announce that Todd's
article is up on the DC Cycles site in the articles section.  My public
apology goes out to Todd for it taking so long!!!

Laura


From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 11:53:20 2001
From: "Laura Granato" <lgranato@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: for those that don't understand
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 11:54:58 -0400

when you go to the member bios section, you will get to a main page.  when
you click on the bios link, it will take you to a page that has letters, and
a list of names...the list of names are not links yet.  click on a-c, d-e,
etc. and it will take you to the list members bios.  I figured it was easier
than scrolling through an entire list of names...you could see the members
names, and then click in to see their bios.  the way the page was set up
with tables before, I was unable to make changes or add new ones with my
limited HTML experience...this way I can add bios quickly and easily.

Laura


From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 13:03:20 2001
From: Cedric Bernescut <bernescut@XXXXXX>
To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: Horns
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 13:02:43 -0400

It's moments like this that make life worth living :)
Cedric

He jumped so high, I think he banged his head on the roof of the car. :)
Rich

From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 13:36:31 2001
From: "Jon Strang" <jmstrang@XXXXXX>
To: "DC Cycles" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: FW: Budds Creek
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 13:36:34 -0400
X-SLUIDL: 96863673-5A9211D5-8E080060-08C770E5

try again, bounced off of my server.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Strang [mailto:jmstrang@XXXXXX]
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 12:46 PM
To: DC Cycles
Subject: Budds Creek



Anyone going?

--jon (newbie to this list and lurker for about 30 hours)
2001 Suzuki Bandit 1200 (black and nekkid)

From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 14:43:59 2001
From: "Greg Thompson" <johnnyteardrop@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: riding to hoot
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 14:44:55 -0400

i'm looking for one or more riding buddies for the hoot in two weeks.  my
plan is:

leave dc area on tues (19th) sometime in the late afternoon
ride halfway, stop for dinner/motel
wake up weds and finish the ride

anyone care to join me?
--
        -greg

From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 15:10:25 2001
From: "Matthew Patton" <pattonme@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 14:10:17 -0500
Subject: rain tire advice needed

I looked at our archives (which are way out of date - attn. maintainer!) for hints. I have BT56 (I think) on my newly acquired race bike (GS500E) but apparently they don't do too well in the wet. (PO lowsided in drizzle. blamed the tires - no comment on my part)

So, seeing as how track days, various track schools, and what have you run rain or shine I'd like to know what tires I should look at. Are plain ol' street tires (eg. Metzler Z4, Mich Pilot's, BT10/20's) perfect for this duty? Or is there something unique to "rains". Or since I'm a rank newbie should I just ride?


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From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 15:38:37 2001
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 15:33:07 -0400
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
From: Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: rain tire advice needed

Rain tires are super sticky and deeply grooved. They provide amazing
traction in the wet. However, don't use them in the dry; they will
chunk up and fly apart in less time than you would think possible.
DOT tires are ok for wet racing/track use, but you must ride very
easy. If you look at most DOT race tires, the tread stops 1/2" from
the edge of the tire. If you hit that "slick" edge in the wet, you
will experience a marked decrease in available traction. (Don't ask
me how I know this.) The grooves on street DOT's goes out farther.

--
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the
skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #230 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html


From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 16:36:42 2001
Content-return: allowed
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 16:36:07 -0400
From: "Ledford, Calvin" <cledford@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: riding to hoot
To: "'Greg Thompson'" <johnnyteardrop@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX

Greg,

I'd ride with you, but I'm going down early on the 15th to visit family for
a few days prior.  I may be free to head back on the 23rd, but am
considering a quick run up to Indiana before heading home so don't know my
route yet.

If you'd like to hook up for a beer or something while the Hoot is going on,
please email me off-list and I'll give you my cell.  I'll have it with me in
Knoxville and wouldn't mind meeting up with a fellow lister.

-Calvin Ledford
'00VFR800 Interceptor
'84 VF500F Interceptor

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Thompson [mailto:johnnyteardrop@XXXXXX]
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 2:45 PM
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: riding to hoot


i'm looking for one or more riding buddies for the hoot in two weeks.  my
plan is:

leave dc area on tues (19th) sometime in the late afternoon
ride halfway, stop for dinner/motel
wake up weds and finish the ride

anyone care to join me?
--
        -greg

From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 16:54:48 2001
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 16:54:30 -0400
To: ielliott@XXXXXX, "Palmisano, Chris" <cpalmisa@XXXXXX>,
   Jason Kopp <jkopp@XXXXXX>, Jennifer Addie <Jennifer_Addie@XXXXXX>,
   squeekygal@XXXXXX, renee@XXXXXX, dshaub@XXXXXX, tfowler@XXXXXX,
   dc-cycles@XXXXXX, katieareynolds@XXXXXX, thomasajordan@XXXXXX
From: Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX>
Subject: Team Jordan Racing in the news!

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Local Man Engages in Death-Defying Sport
Roiters
Jun 6 2001 4:12PM
STERLING (Reuters) - During the week, twenty-two-year-old Sean Jordan
can be found behind his desk analyzing computer systems and
diagnosing problems for mega-ISP UUNET Technologies. Plain in
appearance and mild in demeanor, he blends into the background and
appears to be average in all respects.

Not on the weekends, however.

As owner and team captain of Team Jordan Racing, (an affiliate of
DC-Cycles Racing), he participates in the most dangerous and visually
dramatic motorsport in the world: motorcycle roadracing. Brightly
colored machines, leather-clad riders, speeds topping 180 miles per
hour at some tracks, engines howling, knees dragging. On most
weekends in the summer, at racetracks throughout the country,
hundreds of racers gather to race and socialize and, most
importantly, to push themselves and their machines to the limit.

Why does he do this?

"I've always enjoyed motorsports of all kinds." he says, "I had been
riding a motorcycles for years when I met some guys that were into
road-racing. A friend of mine loaned me his old race bike, and I gave
it a try. I was instantly hooked!"

=46ellow teammate Randy Moran, (team-mentor) reflected on his 10 year
career as road-racer.  "I was instantly captivated by the terrible
beauty and grace of the sport.", he says, and most enjoys "the
camaraderie between racers."

But you don't have to race, or even own a motorcycle to enjoy
roadracing. This Saturday and Sunday, Team Jordan Racing will be
competing at Summit Point Raceway, West Virginia. A 60 minute drive
from Northern Virginia, Summit Point is set in the beautiful
foothills of the Appalachian mountains. Entries fees on Sunday are
$15, and there will be plenty of beverages and snacks for all guests
of Team Jordan/DC-Cycles Racing. Please contact Sean for further
information and directions.


Copyright =A9 2001 Roiters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication
or redistribution of Roiters content, including by framing or
similiar means, is expressly prohibited without the prior written
consent of Roiters. Roiters shall not be liable for any errors or
delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon.
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<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1" color=3D"#000000"><b>Local Man Engages
in Death-Defying Sport</b></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1" color=3D"#999999">Roiters</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1" color=3D"#999999">Jun 6 2001
4:12PM</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1" color=3D"#000000">STERLING (Reuters)
- During the week, twenty-two-year-old Sean Jordan can be found
behind his desk analyzing computer systems and diagnosing problems
for mega-ISP UUNET Technologies. Plain in appearance and mild in
demeanor, he blends into the background and appears to be average in
all respects.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1" color=3D"#000000"><br></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1" color=3D"#000000">Not on the
weekends, however.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1" color=3D"#000000"><br></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1" color=3D"#000000">As owner and team
captain of Team Jordan Racing, (an affiliate of DC-Cycles Racing), he
participates in the most dangerous and visually dramatic motorsport
in the world: motorcycle roadracing. Brightly colored machines,
leather-clad riders, speeds topping 180 miles per hour at some
tracks, engines howling, knees dragging. On most weekends in the
summer, at racetracks throughout the country, hundreds of racers
gather to race and socialize and, most importantly, to push
themselves and their machines to the limit.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1" color=3D"#000000"><br></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1" color=3D"#000000">Why does he do
this?</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1" color=3D"#000000"><br></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1" color=3D"#000000">&quot;I've always
enjoyed motorsports of all kinds.&quot; he says, &quot;I had been
riding a motorcycles for years when I met some guys that were into
road-racing. A friend of mine loaned me his old race bike, and I gave
it a try. I was instantly hooked!&quot;</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1" color=3D"#000000"><br></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1">Fellow teammate Randy Moran,
(team-mentor) reflected on his 10 year career as road-racer.&nbsp;
&quot;I was instantly captivated by the terrible beauty and grace of
the sport.&quot;, he says, and most enjoys &quot;the camaraderie
between racers.&quot;</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1"><br></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1">But you don't have to race, or even
own a motorcycle to enjoy roadracing. This Saturday and Sunday, Team
Jordan Racing will be competing at Summit Point Raceway, West
Virginia. A 60 minute drive from Northern Virginia, Summit Point is
set in the beautiful foothills of the Appalachian mountains. Entries
fees on Sunday are $15, and there will be plenty of beverages and
snacks for all guests of Team Jordan/DC-Cycles Racing. Please contact
Sean for further information and directions.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1"><br></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1" color=3D"#000000"><br></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"+1" color=3D"#999999">Copyright =A9 2001
Roiters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution
of Roiters content, including by framing or similiar means, is
expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Roiters.
Roiters shall not be liable for any errors or delays in the content,
or for any actions taken in reliance thereon.</font></div>
</body>
</html>
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From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 17:05:03 2001
From: "Laura Granato" <lgranato@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Cc: "Cassandra Eckert" <c_eckert@XXXXXX>
Subject: Fw: Biker Bash Cancer Fundraiser
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 17:06:40 -0400

I am passing this along.  Although I won't be in town this day, if I were
here, I would be.  If anyone can attend, I think it would be great!  Not
only does it sound like a lot of fun, it helps a good cause.

Laura Granato
'99 suzuki GS500E (street bike)
'00 Aprilia rs250 (race bike)
www.dccycles.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cassandra Eckert" <c_eckert@XXXXXX>
To: <lgranato@XXXXXX>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 4:32 PM
Subject: Biker Bash Cancer Fundraiser


> I was hoping you could take a few minutes and post this cancer
> fundraising event on your website calendar. It would mean so much to so
> many. Please let me know if you are able to do so. If not, please feel
> free to inform your friends of the event. It is sure to be a good time.
>
> Biker Bash : Helping Kids "Kick Cancer"
>
> Join G. Gordon Liddy, Brett Conway, Steven Alexander, Champ Bailey, &
> Corey Raymer of the Washington Redskins, former Super Bowl Champion
> Ricky Ervins, and local sports talents and media personalities. You
> don't have to have a bike to have fun. Come by the Birchmere and watch
> the riders roll in!!! $20 Bash only per person. $25 pre-registration per
>
> person.
>
> Sunday June 24th 2001
> Registration begins at 10 am. Ride begins at 12 noon.
> Route: From 9407 Livingston Road, Fort Washington, MD 20744 to the
> Birchmere 3701 Mt. Vernon Ave. Alexandria VA, 2230 (approx. 29 miles)
>
> Bash: Celebrate at the Birchmere in Alexandria. Meet & greet celebrity
> riders and enjoy an afternoon of fun, food & live music.
>
> What to do:
> 1st Gear: SIGN UP (driver and passenger must register separately)
>
> 2nd Gear: RAISE MONEY (ask friends, relatives, and business associates
> to sponsor you by making a tax deductable donation to the Leukemia &
> Lymphoma Society.
>
> 3rd Gear: MAKE YOUR RIDE COUNT (Turn in your sponsor envelope and
> donations on the day of the ride)
>
> Fundraising Incentives!
>
> $20 Gets you admission to bash only.
>
> $25/35 Bash admission and commemorative event pin.
>
> $100 Event T-shirt, all of the above, PLUS unlimited food & total of 3
> beverage tickets.
>
> $250 Event Polo shirt, autographed photo of Brett Conway of the
> Washington Redskins & all of the above.
>
> $500 Name entered in drawing for 2 Redskins' tickets & all of the above.
>
> $1,000 Named entered in drawing for an official Harley-Davidson jacket
> autographed by Washington Redskins' players & personally autographed to
> the winner by "Wille G" of Harley Davidson. Also your picture with Brett
>
> Conway in front of a Harley, and all of the above.
>
> *Event polo shirts & autographed photos will be mailed after the ride.
>
> For more information and registration forms please call Erin Ward @
> 301-248-1200.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Cassandra Eckert
> Editor in Chief
> DCity Magazine
> http://www.dcitymag.com
>
>
>
>
>


From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 17:32:32 2001
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 14:32:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Gimer <t_gimer@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news!
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

what the hell is roiters?  is this a spoof?  an
autobiography?

death-defying?  whatever.

i wish the yanker would stop yanking.



--- Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Local Man Engages in Death-Defying Sport
> Roiters
<snip of self-promoting "article">

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From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 17:45:33 2001
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 14:45:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Hugh Caldwell <twg@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news!


	So are there a lot of members on the Jordan racing team or
is it an army of one?

----------------------------------------------------------------
Hugh A. Caldwell     BeGeek   Simpleton#9   ZR750-C2    VFR800FI
----------------------------------------------------------------



From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 17:54:52 2001
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 17:54:33 -0400
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
From: Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news!

>what the hell is roiters?

A spoof of "reuters".

>  is this a spoof?

Yes. Didn't I just say that?

>   an
>autobiography?

Sort of.

>
>death-defying?

Road-racing = death-defying. Fellow racers, back me up on this.
WSDYMOFO Rides are not death-defying. Bring your 996 out to the track
sometime, pretty boy. Me and my 400 will show you "death-defying".

>  whatever.

     whatever times infinity. Ha! I win. Sucker.

>
>i wish the yanker would stop yanking.

What's got you so convinced that I'm the yanker anyways? I've never
had to hide behind a fabricated persona to voice my opinions. I think
it's Randy Moran. Go read his past posts; he's mister enlightened
verbosity man.

This was just a fun way to tell everyone that it's another
race-weekend at Summit point, and that they should come out to drink
beer and spectate, and NOT spend that money on pizza and a movie with
their loved-one.



--
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the
skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #230 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html


From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 18:04:14 2001
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 18:02:04 -0400
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
From: Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news!

>	So are there a lot of members on the Jordan racing team or
>is it an army of one?

Team Jordan Racing is comprised of several dedicated, talented individuals.

Team Owner: Sean Jordan
Team Captain: Sean Jordan
Principal Rider: Sean Jordan
Chief Mechanic: Sean Jordan
Endurance Riders: Randy Moran & Randy Nusbaum

And also anyone that has the last name "Jordan". That's why we're
here. To bring awareness towards to issues that Jordans everywhere
face every day.

Or something like that.

--
Sean Jordan
Macintosh Systems Analyst
(703)-886-7661
UUNET Technologies
A WORLDCOM Company

From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 18:13:27 2001
From: "Laura Granato" <lgranato@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>, "Sean Jordan" <sean.jordan@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news!
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 18:14:57 -0400

>
> This was just a fun way to tell everyone that it's another
> race-weekend at Summit point, and that they should come out to drink
> beer and spectate, and NOT spend that money on pizza and a movie with
> their loved-one.
>
I second that! And, you can even get back in time for bike night.

Come watch Jordan and I duel it out on the track.  It's on suck-aaaaaaaaaa.

LAG


From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 18:17:02 2001
X-Apparently-From: <rydin@XXXXXX>
From: "rydin" <rydin@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: Team Jordan Racing in the news!
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 18:15:16 -0700

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

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Team Jordan Racing in the news!Eh...so there will be snacks huh ?

Niv
BMW F650ST
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Sean Jordan [mailto:sean.jordan@XXXXXX]
  Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 1:55 PM
  To: ielliott@XXXXXX; Palmisano, Chris; Jason Kopp; Jennifer Addie;
squeekygal@XXXXXX; renee@XXXXXX; dshaub@XXXXXX; tfowler@XXXXXX;
dc-cycles@XXXXXX; katieareynolds@XXXXXX; thomasajordan@XXXXXX
  Subject: Team Jordan Racing in the news!


  "...and there will be plenty of beverages and snacks for all guests of
Team Jordan/DC-Cycles Racing. "


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1:55=20
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Jennifer=20
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From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 18:49:56 2001
From: "Laura Granato" <lgranato@XXXXXX>
To: "rydin" <rydin@XXXXXX>, <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news!
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 18:51:31 -0400

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Team Jordan Racing in the news!according to Jordan, he will have snacks =
for everyone. Can we put in requests? ;-)
Laura

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: rydin=20
  To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX=20
  Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 9:15 PM
  Subject: RE: Team Jordan Racing in the news!


  Eh...so there will be snacks huh ?

  Niv
  BMW F650ST
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Sean Jordan [mailto:sean.jordan@XXXXXX]
    Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 1:55 PM
    To: ielliott@XXXXXX; Palmisano, Chris; Jason Kopp; Jennifer =
Addie; squeekygal@XXXXXX; renee@XXXXXX; dshaub@XXXXXX; tfowler@XXXXXX; =
dc-cycles@XXXXXX; katieareynolds@XXXXXX; =
thomasajordan@XXXXXX
    Subject: Team Jordan Racing in the news!


    "...and there will be plenty of beverages and snacks for all guests =
of Team Jordan/DC-Cycles Racing. "
    =20

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From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 18:56:27 2001
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 18:56:27 -0400
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
From: Larry Larson <llarson@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Fw: Biker Bash Cancer Fundraiser
Cc: "Laura Granato" <lgranato@XXXXXX>

At 05:06 PM 6/6/01, Laura wrote:
>...  Although I won't be in town this day, if I were
>here, I would be.


Not by any chance a Dubbya speech writer, are you? 8;)

-- Larry





From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 19:11:29 2001
From: "Laura Granato" <lgranato@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>, "Larry Larson" <llarson@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Fw: Biker Bash Cancer Fundraiser
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 19:12:46 -0400


Although I won't be in town this day, if I were
> >here, I would be.
>
>
> Not by any chance a Dubbya speech writer, are you? 8;)
>
> -- Larry
>
Right now I really wish I were...I, too, am riding the jobless
train...anyone needing any freelance copyediting or writing...feel free to
contact me!! :-)

Laura


From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 19:37:45 2001
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 16:37:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Adam Reinhardt <ajreinhardt@XXXXXX>
Subject: Hawk in Distress
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX


  I saw a Honda Hawk with an electrical problem this
afternoon on Beach Drive.  Any chance it was a list
member?  I would have stayed chatted longer (I was on
the red/white/blue CBR), but that would have entailed
continuing to block all southbound traffic.

  I must admit I was surprised to see the Hawk with
almost the same exact problem I had experienced this
morning; specifically rough idling and a wandering
tach.  Pulling a spider's nest out from under the
rubber covers which house the wires from the battery
to the starter relay switch solved my problem.

  How did you make out?


Adam Reinhardt
89 CBR

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From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 20:07:48 2001
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 17:07:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Gimer <t_gimer@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news!
To: Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX

--- Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX> wrote:
> >death-defying?
>
> Road-racing = death-defying. Fellow racers, back me up on
> this. WSDYMOFO Rides are not death-defying. Bring your
> 996 out to the track sometime, pretty boy. Me and my 400
> will show you "death-defying".

how many people died last year at summit or other local
tracks?  a closed-course environment with a high level of
body protection just doesn't qualify as death-defying to
me.  and i don't think our rides are either....i wouldn't
want to be a part of a weekly "death-defying" activity.

you want "death-defying"?  take up cliff diving or some
other insane sport.


> >  whatever.
>
>      whatever times infinity. Ha! I win. Sucker.
>
> >
> >i wish the yanker would stop yanking.
>
> What's got you so convinced that I'm the yanker anyways?
> I've never had to hide behind a fabricated persona to
> voice my opinions. I think it's Randy Moran. Go read his
> past posts; he's mister enlightened verbosity man.

YOU are Dick E. Anker.  actually, most people knew that one
before i did, judging by the responses i got after my last
post on this topic.


> This was just a fun way to tell everyone that it's
> another race-weekend at Summit point, and that they
> should come out to drink beer and spectate, and NOT spend

> that money on pizza and a movie with their loved-one.

fine.  i apparently lost that message buried somewhere in
the bullshit.  but, i certainly did not miss your attempt
to display your balls to me and the list.  i have no
interest in getting out on the racetrack with some young
punk with an attitude.  i wonder if anyone here
does....hmmmm





=====
tg

check out http://www.murphygimer.com

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From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 20:17:59 2001
From: RacerGirl435@XXXXXX
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 20:17:45 EDT
Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news!
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

In a message dated 6/6/01 7:05:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Laura Granato
writes:

<< Team Jordan Racing in the news!according to Jordan, he will have snacks =
for everyone. Can we put in requests? ;-)
Laura>>

Hey Laura!

You and Roach are then ones with the Aprilia RS250's!  Why don't YOU guys buy
beer and snacks for everybody eh!?  hehe

Non-motorcycle having wanna be racing an Aprilia RS250,
Jess

From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun  6 20:42:07 2001
From: "Dave Yates" <sdave@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: Team Jordan Racing in the news!
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 20:44:19 -0400

Gimer contributed:
--- Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX> wrote:
> >death-defying?
>
> Road-racing = death-defying. Fellow racers, back me up on
> this. WSDYMOFO Rides are not death-defying. Bring your
> 996 out to the track sometime, pretty boy. Me and my 400
> will show you "death-defying".

how many people died last year at summit or other local
tracks?  a closed-course environment with a high level of
body protection just doesn't qualify as death-defying to
me.  and i don't think our rides are either....i wouldn't
want to be a part of a weekly "death-defying" activity.

		Now  THIS is more like it.  A little flavor for the list.  A good ol'
fashioned flame fest, in the tradition of Squeakers :)


you want "death-defying"?  take up cliff diving or some
other insane sport.

		Yeah.  Like fessing up to the porn number charges on the Amex bill to
the wife...



> >  whatever.
>
>      whatever times infinity. Ha! I win. Sucker.
>
> >
> >i wish the yanker would stop yanking.
>
> What's got you so convinced that I'm the yanker anyways?
> I've never had to hide behind a fabricated persona to
> voice my opinions. I think it's Randy Moran. Go read his
> past posts; he's mister enlightened verbosity man.

YOU are Dick E. Anker.  actually, most people knew that one
before i did, judging by the responses i got after my last
post on this topic.


		Damn.  I'd almost forgotten Yanker...



> This was just a fun way to tell everyone that it's
> another race-weekend at Summit point, and that they
> should come out to drink beer and spectate, and NOT spend

> that money on pizza and a movie with their loved-one.

fine.  i apparently lost that message buried somewhere in
the bullshit.  but, i certainly did not miss your attempt
to display your balls to me and the list.  i have no
interest in getting out on the racetrack with some young
punk with an attitude.  i wonder if anyone here
does....hmmmm



		Tom, use your... uh... well...  experience, yeah, experience & skill.
Go out & watch, help in the pits...  a little clear nail polish on the
plug leads, loosen the kill switch, super glue on the leather zippers,
but whatever you do, DON"T put the fiberglass insulation dust in his
leathers...

<the above is purely for entertainment purposes>



Dave Yates




From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 02:21:15 2001
From: "James Reazor" <JReazor@XXXXXX>
To: "DC Cycles List" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: East Coast BBG
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 01:46:43 -0400

I have 2 questions. What does BBG stand for and, since there is no date
listed, will it be scheduled over a weekend. I'm all for shushing
self-proclaimed big dawgs regardless of where they're from, I just don't
want to burn too much vacation time to do it.

-James
'00 SV650

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Horstman" <the.horkster@XXXXXX>
To: "DC Cycles List" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 9:45 AM
Subject: East Coast BBG


> Just trying to guage the interest in an East Coast BBG
> group record attempt in order to shush the self-proclaimed
> big dawgs out west.  Mid July, start in Raleigh, NC, down
> to Fort Lauderdale, across Alligator Alley, end up in Lower
> Alabama, that'd leave a near-1000 mile day to get back home.
>
> We need around 40 riders to break the record.  Anyone
> here interested?  I'm doing it.
>
> Horkster
>
> --
> Mandatory second line (CM tm)
>
> Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX  AWSHIDT #322 - 27 of 99 done.
> Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth
>
> '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer
> '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi
> '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress



From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 06:52:49 2001
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 03:52:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Louis F. Caplan" <nighthawk700@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: East Coast BBG
To: James Reazor <JReazor@XXXXXX>, DC Cycles List <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>

--- James Reazor <JReazor@XXXXXX> wrote:
> I have 2 questions. What does BBG stand for and, since there is no date
> listed, will it be scheduled over a weekend. I'm all for shushing
> self-proclaimed big dawgs regardless of where they're from, I just don't
> want to burn too much vacation time to do it.

BBG = Bun Burner Gold = minimum 1,500 miles in 24 hrs.  The folks out west did
1,609 miles in under 24 hrs.

You can find more information on the Iron Butt pages:
(http://www.ironbutt.com)

Dale, keep this one rule in mind though, when recruiting people:  The Bun
Burner GOLD is a member of the Iron Butt Association's Extreme Ride series.
Before you can apply for any ride referenced by these rules, you must be a
successful finisher of either the SaddleSore 1000, SaddleSore 2000, 50cc Quest,
Alberta 2000, Capitol 1000, ... (*snip* or other recognized 24 hr rallies,
deleted long example list)  See: http://www.ironbutt.com/intro/bb/bbg.html



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From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 08:09:18 2001
From: "Todd Peer" <toddbpeer@XXXXXX>
To: "AA DC Cycles" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: re: Check out todd's article
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 08:07:31 -0400

From: "Laura Granato" <lgranato@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Check out todd's article
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 11:31:24 -0400

after many, many months of waiting...I wanted to announce that Todd's
article is up on the DC Cycles site in the articles section.  My public
apology goes out to Todd for it taking so long!!!

Laura
-----------------------------------------------------------
Accepted and thanks!  I just figured you had so many pots on the fire it
just got overlooked.

Todd (Springfield)




From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 08:14:44 2001
From: "Todd Peer" <toddbpeer@XXXXXX>
To: "AA DC Cycles" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news!
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 08:12:59 -0400

Sean Jordan wrote (Following Tom Gimer):
>
>death-defying?

Road-racing = death-defying. Fellow racers, back me up on this.
WSDYMOFO Rides are not death-defying.

----> They are when you attend Sean! ;-)
>
>i wish the yanker would stop yanking.

What's got you so convinced that I'm the yanker anyways? I've never
had to hide behind a fabricated persona to voice my opinions. I think
it's Randy Moran. Go read his past posts; he's mister enlightened
verbosity man.

----> There has been some speculation that it was you Sean except that the
----> yanker rides a Gixer on the Street.  Does Randy ride a GSXR on the
----> street?

This was just a fun way to tell everyone that it's another
race-weekend at Summit point, and that they should come out to drink
beer and spectate, and NOT spend that money on pizza and a movie with
their loved-one.

----> This will be another weekend out of town for me.  Good luck to
----> ALL racers and hope there is no RAIN!!!

---->     Todd (Springfield, VA)


From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 08:23:32 2001
From: "Matthew Patton" <pattonme@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 07:23:27 -0500
Subject: another MAW free shipping day

Since I'm still stuck on digest mode (hello, moderator!!) I can't tell if it's already been posted or not. One interesting difference this time around. Tires incur shipping charges. I guess they got massively burnt by that one last round. Pity, I thought that was the best part. Should have ordered more...
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From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 08:56:49 2001
From: MJordan666@XXXXXX
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 08:56:31 EDT
Subject: Snacks - was: Team Jordan Racing in the news!
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX


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>Eh...so there will be snacks huh ?

Team Jordan progenitor here, knowing my elder son, I would get him to
precisely define the word "snack" prior to making dinner plans.

Michael J.







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From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 09:01:35 2001
From: MJordan666@XXXXXX
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 09:01:24 EDT
Subject: Re: East Coast BBG
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX


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Dale, this could be interesting - when?

Michael J.


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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>Dale, this could be interesting - when?
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From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 09:22:39 2001
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 09:16:42 -0400
From: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: 4-sale

Within a week or so I'll be putting two motorcycles up for sale, part of
my late friend's estate.  One is Kawasaki Eliminator 600, number two a
Yamaha Virago 750 V-Twin.  Year and milage to be determined this coming
week

If anyone is interested in cages, got them too.  A 2001 Prowler for
those with a loose 40+K in their jeans - 2400 miles.  A `90 something
Olds 4-door sedan, lo-milage special - 44K, and a vintage `73 (?)
Cadilac convertable, fresh rebuild on the engine, body is rough.

If interested contact me off list - bhuson@XXXXXX, or call (703)
256-3115 even.  Official details as soon as I examine same and obtain
titles.

Bill


From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 10:16:35 2001
From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 10:16:21 EDT
Subject: Re: Footpeg Riding Style
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

In a message dated 6/6/2001 7:10:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
t_gimer@XXXXXX writes:

> --- Suzookus Maximus <suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX> wrote:
>  > Wanted to get some opinions from you all about where
>  > you put your feet on the pegs. :)


When racing cross country (Enduro) we always rode  standing on the balls of
our feet, that way when you hit a stump (Or another rider) it knocked your
foot off the peg instead of folding it under and breaking it.


John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC

Honda ST1100X Pan European
    (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.)
BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles
Honda 1976 CR250M  Motowhat racer

From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 10:34:54 2001
From: "Jon Strang" <jmstrang@XXXXXX>
To: <PenguinBiker@XXXXXX>, <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: Footpeg Riding Style
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 10:34:57 -0400
X-SLUIDL: 0F9FEF21-5B4311D5-8E080060-08C770E5

I learned that lesson the hard way.

--jon w/ nine toes

-----Original Message-----
From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX [mailto:PenguinBiker@XXXXXX]
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 10:16 AM
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Footpeg Riding Style


In a message dated 6/6/2001 7:10:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
t_gimer@XXXXXX writes:

> --- Suzookus Maximus <suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX> wrote:
>  > Wanted to get some opinions from you all about where
>  > you put your feet on the pegs. :)


When racing cross country (Enduro) we always rode  standing on the balls of
our feet, that way when you hit a stump (Or another rider) it knocked your
foot off the peg instead of folding it under and breaking it.


John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC

Honda ST1100X Pan European
    (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.)
BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles
Honda 1976 CR250M  Motowhat racer


From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 11:07:04 2001
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 10:59:21 -0400
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
From: Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news!

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>how many people died last year at summit or other local
>tracks?

More than a handful. Probably 1.9 metric handfuls.

>  a closed-course environment with a high level of
>body protection just doesn't qualify as death-defying to
>me.

There are varying levels of death-defiance. Cliff diving has a much
higher risk of death, and therefore a higher level of defiance.
(Unless you're suicidal.) I wouldn't say that the sport is "not"
death-defying.

>   and i don't think our rides are either....

That's what I said. Didn't I say they're rides weren't death defying?
Am I missing something here? Are you mocking me? Do you want to
fight!?? Huh? HUNH?! YOU TRYING TO START SOMETHING LAWYER BOY.....Oh,
what's that? You're not trying to start something? Oh, ok. You're no
fun.

>i wouldn't
>want to be a part of a weekly "death-defying" activity.

That's ok. Neither would I. That's why I only race once or twice a
month at most.

>
>you want "death-defying"?  take up cliff diving or some
>other insane sport.

See, to participate in an "insane sport", you need to be insane. See,
no sport is inherently insane. The sport is defined by the people who
participate in it.....uh...which would make roadracing an insane
sport. Ok, bad argument. Let me try this again.....

>  > >i wish the yanker would stop yanking.
>>
>>  What's got you so convinced that I'm the yanker anyways?
>>  I've never had to hide behind a fabricated persona to
>>  voice my opinions. I think it's Randy Moran. Go read his
>>  past posts; he's mister enlightened verbosity man.
>
>YOU are Dick E. Anker.  actually, most people knew that one
>before i did, judging by the responses i got after my last
>post on this topic.

First person to conclusively prove that I am Mr. Yanker gets an
autographed picture of Team Jordan Racing. (Or a reasonable facsimile
thereof. Offer void in Hawaii, Alaska, and Canada.)

>  > This was just a fun way to tell everyone that it's
>>  another race-weekend at Summit point, and that they
>  > should come out to drink beer and spectate, and NOT spend
>>  that money on pizza and a movie with their loved-one.
>
>fine.  i apparently lost that message buried somewhere in
>the bullshit.

Don't worry, nobody else did. I won't hold your lack of reading
comprehension against you. :P

>but, i certainly did not miss your attempt
>to display your balls to me and the list.

1. If I wanted to "display" my balls to everyone on the list, I would
upload a .jpg file to my web-hosting service and post a URL. However,
I'm very shy when it comes to displaying my balls, so don't nobody
hold there breath.

2. Tom, here's your phrase of the day.

tongue-in-cheek
adj.

a. Meant or expressed ironically or facetiously.
b. Cleverly amusing in tone; "a bantering tone"; "facetious remarks";
"tongue-in-cheek advice" [syn: bantering, facetious] adv 1: in a
bantering fashion; "he spoke to her banteringly" [syn: banteringly]
2: not seriously; "I meant it facetiously" [syn: facetiously,
jokingly]

>i have no
>interest in getting out on the racetrack with some young
>punk with an attitude.

Hey, I am not a punk! I hate the Sex Pistols!

>   i wonder if anyone here
>does....hmmmm

Obivously Laura and Roach do, or they wouldn't haul my
attitude-laden, ball displaying, punk ass around or let me pit with
them. (Thanks again, guys!)....Randy Moran and Danny Thompson don't
seem to mind either. (Hope you feel better soon Danny!) I think
you're jealous that no one wants to ride on the track with YOU, Tom.
But that's ok. Not everyone can be as cool as me. Don't sweat it.

Egads, man, lighten up!  Although if I had to ride a 996 for a
streetbike, I'm sure I'd end up a hardass too.

Tee-hee.



--
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the
skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #230 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html

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<blockquote type="cite" cite>how many people died last year at summit
or other local<br>
tracks?</blockquote>
<div><br>
More than a handful. Probably 1.9 metric handfuls.<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>&nbsp;a closed-course environment with a
high level of<br>
body protection just doesn't qualify as death-defying to<br>
me.</blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>There are varying levels of death-defiance. Cliff diving has a
much higher risk of death, and therefore a higher level of defiance.
(Unless you're suicidal.) I wouldn't say that the sport is
&quot;not&quot; death-defying.</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>&nbsp; and i don't think our rides are
either....</blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>That's what I said. Didn't I say they're rides weren't death
defying? Am I missing something here? Are you mocking me? Do you want
to fight!?? Huh? HUNH?! YOU TRYING TO START SOMETHING LAWYER
BOY.....Oh, what's that? You're not trying to start something? Oh,
ok. You're no fun.</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>i wouldn't</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>want to be a part of a weekly
&quot;death-defying&quot; activity.</blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>That's ok. Neither would I. That's why I only race once or twice
a month at most.</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><br>
you want &quot;death-defying&quot;?&nbsp; take up cliff diving or
some<br>
other insane sport.</blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>See, to participate in an &quot;insane sport&quot;, you need to
be insane. See, no sport is inherently insane. The sport is defined
by the people who participate in it.....uh...which would make
roadracing an insane sport. Ok, bad argument. Let me try this
again.....</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>&gt; &gt;i wish the yanker would stop
yanking.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; What's got you so convinced that I'm the yanker anyways?<br>
&gt; I've never had to hide behind a fabricated persona to<br>
&gt; voice my opinions. I think it's Randy Moran. Go read his<br>
&gt; past posts; he's mister enlightened verbosity man.<br>
<br>
YOU are Dick E. Anker.&nbsp; actually, most people knew that one<br>
before i did, judging by the responses i got after my last<br>
post on this topic.</blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>First person to conclusively prove that I am Mr. Yanker gets an
autographed picture of Team Jordan Racing. (Or a reasonable facsimile
thereof. Offer void in Hawaii, Alaska, and Canada.)</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>&gt; This was just a fun way to tell
everyone that it's<br>
&gt; another race-weekend at Summit point, and that they</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>&gt; should come out to drink beer and
spectate, and NOT spend<br>
&gt; that money on pizza and a movie with their loved-one.<br>
<br>
fine.&nbsp; i apparently lost that message buried somewhere in<br>
the bullshit. </blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>Don't worry, nobody else did. I won't hold your lack of reading
comprehension against you. :P</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>but, i certainly did not miss your
attempt</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>to display your balls to me and the
list. </blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>1. If I wanted to &quot;display&quot; my balls to everyone on
the list, I would upload a .jpg file to my web-hosting service and
post a URL. However, I'm very shy when it comes to displaying my
balls, so don't nobody hold there breath.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>2. Tom, here's your phrase of the day.</div>
<div><font color="#000000"><br></font></div>
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facetiously.</font></div>
<div><font color="#000000">b. Cleverly amusing in tone; &quot;a
bantering tone&quot;; &quot;facetious remarks&quot;;
&quot;tongue-in-cheek advice&quot; [syn:</font><font
color="#0033FF"><u> bantering</u></font><font
color="#000000">,</font><font color="#0033FF"><u>
facetious</u></font><font color="#000000">] adv 1: in a bantering
fashion; &quot;he spoke to her banteringly&quot; [syn:</font><font
color="#0033FF"><u> banteringly</u></font><font color="#000000">] 2:
not seriously; &quot;I meant it facetiously&quot; [syn:</font><font
color="#0033FF"><u> facetiously</u></font><font
color="#000000">,</font><font color="#0033FF"><u>
jokingly</u></font><font color="#000000">]</font></div>
<div><font color="#000000"><br></font></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>i have no</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>interest in getting out on the racetrack
with some young</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>punk with an attitude.</blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>Hey, I am not a punk! I hate the Sex Pistols!</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>&nbsp; i wonder if anyone
here</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>does....hmmmm</blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>Obivously Laura and Roach do, or they wouldn't haul my
attitude-laden, ball displaying, punk ass around or let me pit with
them. (Thanks again, guys!)....Randy Moran and Danny Thompson don't
seem to mind either. (Hope you feel better soon Danny!) I think
you're jealous that no one wants to ride on the track with YOU, Tom.
But that's ok. Not everyone can be as cool as me. Don't sweat
it.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Egads, man, lighten up!&nbsp; Although if I had to ride a 996
for a streetbike, I'm sure I'd end up a hardass too.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Tee-hee.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>

<div>-- <br>
&quot;For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and
the skillful defiance of it.&quot;<br>
<br>
-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)<br>
<br>
Sean Jordan<br>
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing<br>
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)<br>
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)<br>
WERA #230 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038<br>
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/j<span
></span>ordanracing.html<br>
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From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 11:12:09 2001
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 11:08:35 -0400
From: Dale Horstman <the.horkster@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: East Coast BBG
To: James Reazor <JReazor@XXXXXX>
Cc: DC Cycles List <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>

James Reazor wrote:
>
> I have 2 questions. What does BBG stand for and, since there is no date
> listed, will it be scheduled over a weekend. I'm all for shushing
> self-proclaimed big dawgs regardless of where they're from, I just don't
> want to burn too much vacation time to do it.

James,

BBG is shorthand for BunBurner Gold, the IronButt Associations (IBA)
tough 1,500 mile ride in under 24 hours.  Not for beginners.  I *think*
I can do it by using just one vacation day and the weekend, but it's
gonna involve lots of hard interstate riding, and probably have me
looking like hammered dog squeeze come Monday morning in the office.  :)

Horkster
--
Mandatory second line (CM tm)

Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX  AWSHIDT #322 - 27 of 99 done.
Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth

'98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer
'99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi
'82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress

From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 11:18:27 2001
From: "Bruce Norton" <bnorton@XXXXXX>
To: "DC Cycles" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Kawasaki 2 stroke triples?
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 11:21:14 -0400

My brother just called me about a co-worker of his that has a '75 Kawasaki
H1 (?) 250 2 stroke triple he wants to sell. Apparantly it's a project that
was started and never finished, frame painted, lots of parts cleaned up,
etc. He says it's complete and wants $100 for it.

Does anyone know anything about these bikes? I'm not even sure I have the
model right. Any input would be appreciated.

Bruce


From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 11:26:10 2001
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 08:26:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mark Kitchell <markkitchell@XXXXXX>
Subject: This Sat.@Bike Night, underage drinking, DWI, drugs......
To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX

No, no, wait, that is at the WHITE HOUSE, not at Bike
Night!!!

Seriously folks, just another excuse to promote Bike
Night.

Bike Night makes its first appearance in DC and the
first on a Saturday night.

Lets have a BIG showing of DC Cycles so we can POSE
with the DC Sportbike Crowd!!!!

June 9th, this SATURDAY, at THE ROCK in DC. 5PM-9PM.

The Rock is right next to the MCI center.  We have
plenty of great parking, a roof deck, videos, etc.

Weather is going to be perfect too.  See YA There!

Check out the web site




=====
http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/

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From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 12:47:29 2001
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 1973 12:56:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Garcia Oliver <garicao@XXXXXX>
To: Bruce Norton <bnorton@XXXXXX>
cc: DC Cycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Kawasaki 2 stroke triples?

H1 was 500 cc.  Good power, terrible handling. The 250 had ok handling,
but not enough power.  Both got miserable gas mileage.  What else do you
want to know?

--garcia


On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Bruce Norton wrote:

> My brother just called me about a co-worker of his that has a '75 Kawasaki
> H1 (?) 250 2 stroke triple he wants to sell. Apparantly it's a project that
> was started and never finished, frame painted, lots of parts cleaned up,
> etc. He says it's complete and wants $100 for it.
>
> Does anyone know anything about these bikes? I'm not even sure I have the
> model right. Any input would be appreciated.
>
> Bruce
>

From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 12:52:15 2001
From: "Bruce Norton" <bnorton@XXXXXX>
To: "DC Cycles" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Kawasaki 2 stroke triples?
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 12:54:56 -0400

Thanks for all the replies and links. I'm going to take a look at it and see
what kind of shape it's in. If it's a rusted up heap then I'll pass, but if
it's in fair shape then...

Bruce


From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 13:48:00 2001
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 12:41:05 -0500
From: "George Cole" <George.Cole@XXXXXX>
To: <bnorton@XXXXXX>, <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Kawasaki 2 stroke triples?

Hey Bruce,

I had two , a 350 my first bike and a 500 a few years later.

They are cantankerous, noisy, smoky things. But fun to ride. About half the power comes on all at once around 5K rpm, then lookout.

Don't try to ride faster than 90 MPH, though.....believe me I speak from experience. Notorious Tankslappers. Loctite everything on the bike or stuff just falls off while riding.

Do a web search, there are some web sites devoted to these things.

3 cylinders, 3 plugs and 3 sets of points.

Cheers,

George Cole


>>> "Bruce Norton" <bnorton@XXXXXX> 06/07/01 11:21AM >>>
My brother just called me about a co-worker of his that has a '75 Kawasaki
H1 (?) 250 2 stroke triple he wants to sell. Apparantly it's a project that
was started and never finished, frame painted, lots of parts cleaned up,
etc. He says it's complete and wants $100 for it.

Does anyone know anything about these bikes? I'm not even sure I have the
model right. Any input would be appreciated.

Bruce



From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 14:13:43 2001
From: MJordan666@XXXXXX
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 14:13:35 EDT
Subject: Re: Kawasaki 2 stroke triples?
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

>H1 was 500 cc.  Good power, terrible handling. The 250 had ok handling,
>but not enough power.  Both got miserable gas mileage.

I don't remember a 250. I had a 350 back in '72 - it got worse mileage than
my Pinto. Kawasaki also had a 750 in the lineup - would pass anything but a
gas station.

Michael J.

From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 15:25:35 2001
From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 15:25:06 EDT
Subject: For sale: LP adjustable rear stand
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

Located in Centreville, VA.  LP adjustable swingarm stand (not spools but the
kind that adjusts to fit several sizes of swingarm).  Pick up in Centreville
only.  $40.

From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 15:31:54 2001
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 15:31:43 -0400
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
From: Troutman <mike@XXXXXX>
Subject: Cheap Gas

2530 Cedar Lane, Vienna VA  - Citgo - 6-12, 3 to 7pm 94.7 cents per gallon
part of a http://www.classicrock947.com/ promotion.  Worth saving some
money if you are in the area and have a big tank in your cage.  Be prepared
for long lines.



___________________________________________
     Mike Troutman
          http://www.troutman.org/vfr

          '97 Honda VFR 750
         Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA



From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 16:27:00 2001
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 16:26:52 -0400
From: Chuck Pena <cvkgpena@XXXXXX>
To: DC Cycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Motorcycle owner again!

It's taken me a little while, but I now own another m/c (replacing my
GSXR that bought the big one when I hit the deer in March).  Decided to
go the "best bang for the buck" route, i.e., buy something fun for as
cheaply as possible.  Ended up being the winning bidder on a '93 FZR600
on eBay.  But this is definitely not your mother's FZR!  Probably the
best way to describe this FZR is that it's a track bike with lights.
Front forks have been re-worked with Race Tech springs and Race Tech
Gold Valve Emulators.  Custom fork brace.  Rear shock has been replaced
with Fox Twin Clicker.  Rear ride height has been raised ~1".  Stainless
steel brake lines front and rear.  HH brake pads front and rear.
Steering damper.  520 conversion (DID gold chain).  Full race exhaust
(D&D) and stage one jetting.  Upper cowl and lower fairings are stock
FZR (twin headlight front).  But the stock rear has been replaced with a
TZ tailpiece which IMHO is much nicer looking than the ugly, boxy, bulky
FZR tailpiece.  Makes the bike look light and right.  Probably not the
prettiest (to most) bike in the world: the frame, tank, and bodywork
have been re-sprayed a low-gloss flat black.  But I didn't buy it for
the paintjob!

Need to fettle with it a bit still.  Get the sag set right on the
suspension.  Gotta figure out a mounting system for a license plate
bracket underneath the tailpiece.  One of the taillight bulbs is burnt
out (previous owner did a pretty trick job with the taillights on the TZ
tailpiece!)  Already have it titled and registered.  Temp tag is
"oversized" because apparently VA doesn't issue smaller m/c-size temp
tags (at least they didn't have any at the DMV office).  Still need to
get it inspected.  And get an Arlington County sticker for it.  So I
don't know if I'll be riding it to Bike Night @ The Rock on Saturday or
not.  But I'll definitely be at Bike Night.

Chuck, aka Deerhunter

--
"Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai
visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas

From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 16:29:36 2001
From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 16:29:27 EDT
Subject: Re: Footpeg Riding Style
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

In a message dated 6/7/2001 10:35:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jmstrang@XXXXXX writes:

> I learned that lesson the hard way.
>
>  --jon w/ nine toes

OW!

John w/ two that do not work.

From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun  7 16:39:10 2001
From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 16:38:58 EDT
Subject: Re: Kawasaki 2 stroke triples?
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX

In a message dated 6/7/2001 2:16:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
MJordan666@XXXXXX writes:

> Kawasaki also had a 750 in the lineup - would pass anything but a
>  gas station.

And was known to throw the rider off at speeds over 80.

666 eh? Interesting

John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC

Honda ST1100X Pan European
    (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.)
BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles
Honda 1976 CR250M  Motowhat racer

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Yeah, I owned one, a `73 I think.  The crackata-crackata-crackata sound of
two-stroke triple at idle is very distinctive - kinda neat.  Little bugger was
fast as stink but forget the twisties, I think it had nylon bushings on the
swing arm.   Had a minor prob with the center plug frying on long hard,
hi-speed runs.  I ran Sthil chain saw oil and had the oil feed dialed down so
mine hardly smoked, even starting cold.

Had a  ton of fun on mine, probably `cause it was my first *big* bike, having
thrashed a Kawi 90cc into piston rattle oblivion.  The ideal size in the series
was the 350.  The 500 was scarey fast, and the 750 probably killed more GIs
than the Viet cong.  It was the king of fast, but wasn't very forgiving.

Bill

Bruce Norton wrote:

> My brother just called me about a co-worker of his that has a '75 Kawasaki
> H1 (?) 250 2 stroke triple he wants to sell. Apparantly it's a project that
> was started and never finished, frame painted, lots of parts cleaned up,
> etc. He says it's complete and wants $100 for it.
>
> Does anyone know anything about these bikes? I'm not even sure I have the
> model right. Any input would be appreciated.
>
> Bruce


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Congrats!

Reminds me of the 1993 FZR600 I once had... minus all the custom mods.  I
did have a YZF rear swingarm on mine and other neat stuff.  Some pictures
of it can be seen on my webpage.  ALso check out what it looked like
after it was crashed...by someone else( I was no longer the owner).  That
is by two days anyway...sad story.

Thad

http://www.geocities.com/tgroghan/hmpthad.html

On Thu, 07 Jun 2001 16:26:52 -0400 Chuck Pena <cvkgpena@XXXXXX>
writes:
> It's taken me a little while, but I now own another m/c (replacing my
> GSXR that bought the big one when I hit the deer in March).  Decided 
> to
> go the "best bang for the buck" route, i.e., buy something fun for 
> as
> cheaply as possible.  Ended up being the winning bidder on a '93 
> FZR600
> on eBay.  But this is definitely not your mother's FZR!  Probably 
> the
> best way to describe this FZR is that it's a track bike with lights. 
> 
> Front forks have been re-worked with Race Tech springs and Race Tech
> Gold Valve Emulators.  Custom fork brace.  Rear shock has been 
> replaced
> with Fox Twin Clicker.  Rear ride height has been raised ~1".  
> Stainless
> steel brake lines front and rear.  HH brake pads front and rear. 
> Steering damper.  520 conversion (DID gold chain).  Full race 
> exhaust
> (D&D) and stage one jetting.  Upper cowl and lower fairings are 
> stock
> FZR (twin headlight front).  But the stock rear has been replaced 
> with a
> TZ tailpiece which IMHO is much nicer looking than the ugly, boxy, 
> bulky
> FZR tailpiece.  Makes the bike look light and right.  Probably not 
> the
> prettiest (to most) bike in the world: the frame, tank, and bodywork
> have been re-sprayed a low-gloss flat black.  But I didn't buy it 
> for
> the paintjob!
> 
> Need to fettle with it a bit still.  Get the sag set right on the
> suspension.  Gotta figure out a mounting system for a license plate
> bracket underneath the tailpiece.  One of the taillight bulbs is 
> burnt
> out (previous owner did a pretty trick job with the taillights on 
> the TZ
> tailpiece!)  Already have it titled and registered.  Temp tag is
> "oversized" because apparently VA doesn't issue smaller m/c-size 
> temp
> tags (at least they didn't have any at the DMV office).  Still need 
> to
> get it inspected.  And get an Arlington County sticker for it.  So I
> don't know if I'll be riding it to Bike Night @ The Rock on Saturday 
> or
> not.  But I'll definitely be at Bike Night.
> 
> Chuck, aka Deerhunter
> 
> -- 
> "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai
> visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas

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2530 Cedar Lane, Vienna VA  - Citgo - 6-12, 3 to 7pm 94.7 cents per
gallon
part of a http://www.classicrock947.com/ promotion.  Worth saving some
money if you are in the area and have a big tank in your cage.  Be
prepared
for long lines.

		I never do anything associated with 94.7 since they fired the
Greaseman.  Not because I'm a die hard fan, but because his offense was
nothing more than a violation of political correctness.  You may not
agree with his message, or the messenger himself.  Similarly, you may
have found his offense, well, offensive, but Stern gets away with far
worse, as does Tom Joyner, a frequent Greaseman basher.  Take you money
elsewhere...

Just my opinion...



Dave Yates
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I raced an H1 (500cc triple) (built to look like the H1-R production racer 
version) in 1972 for a short while.  I had been racing a Norton Commando and 
saw how fast the things were on the straights and thought that the guys 
racing them were not very good racers because I could catch most of them in 
the twisties.  Turns out the guys that were beating me on them were not only 
better racers, but also had bigger cojones.  I did about 4-5 races on it and 
went back to the Norton.

The CDIs for those things are unobtainables.  When they come up for sale on 
the Vintage Racing List the asking price is 700-800 dollars just for the CDI 
unit.  If it doesn't spark, don't buy it.

Ciao,

Fred

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Ooooooh.... 1500 in a day. That's a lot 'o miles. The most I've done is
about 600 and the SV preformed admirably for that but I'd definitely need to
get rid of the stock seat for 1500. If it were 1000 miles I'd probably give
it a shot.

Good luck.

-James
'00 SV650




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Pictures?

Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B)

In a message dated 6/7/2001 4:31:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes:


> It's taken me a little while, but I now own another m/c (replacing my
> GSXR that bought the big one when I hit the deer in March).  Decided to
> go the "best bang for the buck" route, i.e., buy something fun for as
> cheaply as possible.  Ended up being the winning bidder on a '93 FZR600
> on eBay.  But this is definitely not your mother's FZR!  Probably the
> best way to describe this FZR is that it's a track bike with lights. 
> 

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<BR>Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B)
<BR>
<BR>In a message dated 6/7/2001 4:31:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">It's taken me a little while, but I now own another m/c (replacing my
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Subject: privateer rider instruction

Do you guys know of anyone looking for basic rider education before attempting say the State test? Or somebody who's on the 3+ month waiting list for the local MSF classes who'd really like to get started sooner instead of missing most of the riding season?

I've been approached by a person in my company who wants introductory level instruction and has 2 friends who'd likely also want to participate.

While I obviously can't offer the official MSF stamp of approval nor the insurance credits that go with actual MSF completion, I at least can touch on the same content and drills. I have a few (nearly) ideal venues in mind but the major stickler is suitable bikes, liability and all that.

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CONGRATULATIONS ! Finally. Now you can ride those dirt sections in the
routes you posted ;)

Niv
BMW F650ST

-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX]
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 1:27 PM
To: DC Cycles
Subject: Motorcycle owner again!


It's taken me a little while, but I now own another m/c (replacing my
GSXR that bought the big one when I hit the deer in March).  Decided to
go the "best bang for the buck" route, i.e., buy something fun for as
cheaply as possible.  Ended up being the winning bidder on a '93 FZR600
on eBay.  But this is definitely not your mother's FZR!  Probably the
best way to describe this FZR is that it's a track bike with lights.
Front forks have been re-worked with Race Tech springs and Race Tech
Gold Valve Emulators.  Custom fork brace.  Rear shock has been replaced
with Fox Twin Clicker.  Rear ride height has been raised ~1".  Stainless
steel brake lines front and rear.  HH brake pads front and rear.
Steering damper.  520 conversion (DID gold chain).  Full race exhaust
(D&D) and stage one jetting.  Upper cowl and lower fairings are stock
FZR (twin headlight front).  But the stock rear has been replaced with a
TZ tailpiece which IMHO is much nicer looking than the ugly, boxy, bulky
FZR tailpiece.  Makes the bike look light and right.  Probably not the
prettiest (to most) bike in the world: the frame, tank, and bodywork
have been re-sprayed a low-gloss flat black.  But I didn't buy it for
the paintjob!

Need to fettle with it a bit still.  Get the sag set right on the
suspension.  Gotta figure out a mounting system for a license plate
bracket underneath the tailpiece.  One of the taillight bulbs is burnt
out (previous owner did a pretty trick job with the taillights on the TZ
tailpiece!)  Already have it titled and registered.  Temp tag is
"oversized" because apparently VA doesn't issue smaller m/c-size temp
tags (at least they didn't have any at the DMV office).  Still need to
get it inspected.  And get an Arlington County sticker for it.  So I
don't know if I'll be riding it to Bike Night @ The Rock on Saturday or
not.  But I'll definitely be at Bike Night.

Chuck, aka Deerhunter

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Michelin Pilot 120/70zr17 front tire for sale, $29.50, 90% tread left, race
take-offs

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My brother is selling his dirt bike. Contact him directly if you're 
interested.

Thanks,

Kirk

--- In PlanetKLX@y..., dlroy@n... wrote:
I'm not riding my bike any, so I've decided to sell it.  No sense in 
just having it sit there.

It has:

Stroker Headpipe
SuperTrapp Exhaust (I still have the stock exhaust with the Stroker 
endcap.)
Dynojet Kit for the carb
Baja Designs Kit (Not on the bike currently)
Moose Skidplate
Stroker Radiator Hose Protector
Enduro Engineering Handguards
Moose Rollchart Holder
MX # Plate
MX Rear Fender
Alumilite Handlebars

I'm looking for a quick/easy sale, so I'm asking $3,000.  I don't 
think I'd bargain any at that price.  I can be contacted via e-mail 
at 
dlroy@n... or home phone (301) 856-9210 or work phone (202) 
353-0561.  I'm located in Southern Maryland just outside of 
Washington 
D.C.

Darrell Roy
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I am meeting some friends at the McDonalds in
Leesburg (965 EDWARDS FERRY RD, LEESBURG, VA 20176) on
Rt. 15, just north of Rt. 7.  Departure time from
there is 9:00am Sunday.

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Hey list!!

I just got back from running FAST level I and II in Shannonville, Ontario
and it was awesome.  Didn't crash and even did a little hanging off.

BTW, still unemployed so there are a few of us IT folks still looking.

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Hi all.  I guess my first e-mail got lost over a holiday weekend, but Just wanted to introduce myself to the group.  I live out in South Riding (between RT28 & RT50 and RT606 & RT50).  I have two motorcycles, one road and one off road.  I would like to meet up for easy paced rides (on road) and screaming through the trails and jumping (off road) with anyone interested.  I have set up a few websites, the first being a brief homepage and the other being a message board.  I thought that the message board could provide a more real time question and answer type forum, as well as provide the ability to link pictures and do HTML formating that at least right now is not present in the "digest" format of e-mail I currently recieve.  Anyway, If you would like to try it out it is realitively painless and there is no membership required. Look forward to hearing from some of you. I meet some of you at the Bike Nite at the Carpool


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Welcome to the group.  There is a relaxed group ride out of Winchester this 
Sunday if you are interested.  It is an all day ride through West Virginia 
and back to Winchester.  Let me know if you want to meet up to head out there.

Included below are the final plans for the June 10th Tyro ride.

The ride will commence at 9:30 AM just outside Winchester on RT 50.  This 
is a pretty central location since we have people coming from all over VA, 
DC, MD, and PA.  There is an Exxon Gas station there on the left hand side 
(when heading west) about a mile or mile and a half west of RT 37.  The 
address and phone are below.  If you'd like directions from them, they are 
very nice. Likewise, I'd be glad to help anyone get there.

1. CATHERS MARKET
US RT 50 W, WINCHESTER, VA 22601
Phone: 540-662-8219

At 08:57 PM 6/8/2001, BR VMI-1996 wrote:
>Hi all.  I guess my first e-mail got lost over a holiday weekend, but Just 
>wanted to introduce myself to the group.  I live out in South Riding 
>(between RT28 & RT50 and RT606 & RT50).  I have two motorcycles, one road 
>and one off road.  I would like to meet up for easy paced rides (on road) 
>and screaming through the trails and jumping (off road) with anyone 
>interested.  I have set up a few websites, the first being a brief 
>homepage and the other being a message board.  I thought that the message 
>board could provide a more real time question and answer type forum, as 
>well as provide the ability to link pictures and do HTML formating that at 
>least right now is not present in the "digest" format of e-mail I 
>currently recieve.  Anyway, If you would like to try it out it is 
>realitively painless and there is no membership required. Look forward to 
>hearing from some of you. I meet some of you at the Bike Nite at the Carpool


_____________________________________
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5-9, at THE ROCK!

Check out the website.......

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I saw a downed red/silver/black GSXR on 66E at Scott Road this evening on my 
way home from my sisters' house.  It was about 5:20pm.  Didn't see any signs 
of the rider just a bunch of cops checking the area about a half mile away 
from where the bike was laying.  Didn't look like too much damage to the 
bike.  Mainly cosmetic.  Anyone know anything about it?  Hope it wasn't 
anyone on the list.  Hope the rider is OK.

Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B)

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<BR>of the rider just a bunch of cops checking the area about a half mile away 
<BR>from where the bike was laying. &nbsp;Didn't look like too much damage to the 
<BR>bike. &nbsp;Mainly cosmetic. &nbsp;Anyone know anything about it? &nbsp;Hope it wasn't 
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ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote:
> 
> I saw a downed red/silver/black GSXR on 66E at Scott Road this evening
> on my
> way home from my sisters' house. M- It was about 5:20pm. M- Didn't see any
> signs
> of the rider just a bunch of cops checking the area about a half mile
> away
> from where the bike was laying. M- Didn't look like too much damage to
> the
> bike. M- Mainly cosmetic. M- Anyone know anything about it? M- Hope it
> wasn't
> anyone on the list. M- Hope the rider is OK.
> 
> Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B)

I went by there at about 7PM.  I didn't know it was a bike crash at the
time, but it looked like a serious accident investigation was underway. 
At least two VSP troopers and a gaggle of Arlington cops.  They had
scrape marks tagged on Jersey barrier for a good distance.  Looks like
the vehicle made contact with the wall numerous times.  Looks to have
have been quite nasty and/or at high speed.

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F


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Hey,
     I got another one of these last week. I remember some of you were
intersted last time, so here it is...

Howard ---> drying out after wading through waist-deep water this past
weekend in Houston. It was bad. Scary bad.

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From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 11 07:23:35 2001
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So I'm going over the two bikes I'll be selling from Richard's estate.
The `95 (?)Yami V-twin fires right up, comes off choke easy and is
basically  a cherry.  But the Kawi won't stay running.  Hmmm... Of
course when I opened the gas lid and yelled I got an echo.  Could it be
that simple?  It's also low on oil according to the sight glass, and low
on coolant.  Oil's no prob, got plenty, but ??? what kind of coolant do
these rascels use?   Regular ol' Prestone or must I purchase Special
Kawisaki Whip Out Da Wallet coolant?  And where can I get a brake lever
for te Kawi?  Sort of generic or also brand/model specific?  How the tip
got broken off is beyond me `cause I can't find a single scratch
anywhere else on the beast.

Off to get titles from the DMV tommorrow - five titles for the vehicles
with missing ones.  What fun!  Think root canal...

Bill


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>ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote:
>> 
>> I saw a downed red/silver/black GSXR on 66E at Scott Road this evening
>> on my
>> way home from my sisters' house. M- It was about 5:20pm. M- Didn't see any
>> signs
>> of the rider just a bunch of cops checking the area about a half mile
>> away
>> from where the bike was laying. M- 

Ouch.  I passed through there about 5:30, and took the Key Bridge/Rosslyn exit to bypass the congestion.  There were three cop cars on Rt. 29 below I-66, below the accident site.  I wonder if something went over the wall and down onto 29?

It's a jungle out there.

Chris Norloff

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Does anyone have an email address for Winding Roads
Motorcycle Times?  I have what I think is a great idea
for an article.

Thanks,

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I'm thinking about looking on Ebay or mailing ordering some one-piece
leathers for track days, etc., as well as shopping at our local used
leathers emporium (Colleen).  Anyway, I find the Euro sizing to be a source
of vexation.  The conversion tables seem to be all over the map.  I have a
size 42 chest, 33 waist and 32 inseam.  Euro size 54 would seem to be in the
ballpark.  I'm looking at the AGV Rage or Spark series.  If anyone who has
these
size AGV leathers and could give me a sense of the fit and whether they run
large or small when broken in I would appreciate your thoughts.  I've tried
on new ones in shops and it's hard to tell how they're going to fit when
broken in.  Should they feel tight when new, almost to the point where it's
a struggle to get it on your shoulders?  I'm averse to $500 mistakes.

Thanks,

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F




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I wear a 42 with a 33 inch waist.  The Euro jackets (Wintex) that I've
tried on that fit are size 54.  The one problem I have is I'm not
coordinated enough to handle the lefthand zipper :-)

Andrew
'90 EX500


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On Wed, 06 Jun 2001, RacerGirl435@XXXXXX wrote:

> Hey Laura!
>
> You and Roach are then ones with the Aprilia RS250's!  Why don't YOU guys
> buy beer and snacks for everybody eh!?  hehe
>
> Non-motorcycle having wanna be racing an Aprilia RS250,
> Jess

We do, but generally only for people who don't talk about us behind our 
backs. 

And to answer the smart ass little remark you made at the track about Laura 
around people who know me (Funny how everyone at the track seems to know me, 
huh?), yes, it IS nice to be on the Brian Roach racing program. Ask Sean 
Jordan, Gil Gates, AND Laura. OR, any of the vast number of good people whom 
I've helped out at the track over the last 3 years either with setting up 
their bikes, hauling them around the country, or putting their bikes back 
together after they crashed. 

If you have a problem with me buying a bike for Laura to race, please, let me 
know what it is... I'll happily explain that A) I wanted to, because I can 
and she's quite possibly the greatest woman I've ever met, and B) It's none 
of your damn business. Maybe you should have made the payments on your bike, 
eh? Then you'd have a streetbike like Laura does.

- Roach

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Today I was out riding the back roads in Greenbelt, MD, right behind NASA. 
The cops were pulling out 2 Honda's that went off the road... thru a fence
onto Nasa property.  The bikes got stuck in the mud.  Pretty much trashed
from the looks of them.  The owners said they hit a slick spot... road
looked super clear to me....oh well.

Later

------Original Message------
From: "Chris Norloff" <cnorloff@XXXXXX>
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Sent: June 11, 2001 12:36:05 PM GMT
Subject: Re: Rider Down


>ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote:
>>
>> I saw a downed red/silver/black GSXR on 66E at Scott Road this evening
>> on my
>> way home from my sisters' house. M- It was about 5:20pm. M- Didn't see any
>> signs
>> of the rider just a bunch of cops checking the area about a half mile
>> away
>> from where the bike was laying. M- 

Ouch.  I passed through there about 5:30, and took the Key Bridge/Rosslyn
exit to bypass the congestion.  There were three cop cars on Rt. 29 below
I-66, below the accident site.  I wonder if something went over the wall and
down onto 29?

It's a jungle out there.

Chris Norloff




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I'm gonna have to jump in with Brian on this one - I'm constantly amazed at the
number of people he helps out around there.  More than once I've seen guys drop
off their crashed bikes at his pit when he wasn't around and had them say "Is
this 699's pit?  I forgot his name, but he said I could leave my bike and he'd
get it home for me".  Most of the people I call friends don't go as far for me as
he goes for near-strangers.

Larry Meyer
Annandale, VA
1997 Bandit 1200

Brian Roach wrote:

> On Wed, 06 Jun 2001, RacerGirl435@XXXXXX wrote:
>
> > Hey Laura!
> >
> > You and Roach are then ones with the Aprilia RS250's!  Why don't YOU guys
> > buy beer and snacks for everybody eh!?  hehe
> >
> > Non-motorcycle having wanna be racing an Aprilia RS250,
> > Jess
>
> We do, but generally only for people who don't talk about us behind our
> backs.
>
> And to answer the smart ass little remark you made at the track about Laura
> around people who know me (Funny how everyone at the track seems to know me,
> huh?), yes, it IS nice to be on the Brian Roach racing program. Ask Sean
> Jordan, Gil Gates, AND Laura. OR, any of the vast number of good people whom
> I've helped out at the track over the last 3 years either with setting up
> their bikes, hauling them around the country, or putting their bikes back
> together after they crashed.
>
> If you have a problem with me buying a bike for Laura to race, please, let me
> know what it is... I'll happily explain that A) I wanted to, because I can
> and she's quite possibly the greatest woman I've ever met, and B) It's none
> of your damn business. Maybe you should have made the payments on your bike,
> eh? Then you'd have a streetbike like Laura does.
>
> - Roach


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I spent the past weekend in Ocean City, Maryland and
saw about 50 or so sportbikes. Fine machines, every
one. I would guess that maybe 5 of those 50 riders had
on any gear more than a helmet. A couple had full
leathers, but the rest were t-shirts and sandals.
Passengers too.

Gotta love senior week.

Matt


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At 01:19 PM 6/11/01, Matthew Rosenstock wrote:
>I spent the past weekend in Ocean City, Maryland and
>saw about 50 or so sportbikes. Fine machines, every
>one. I would guess that maybe 5 of those 50 riders had
>on any gear more than a helmet. A couple had full
>leathers, but the rest were t-shirts and sandals.
>Passengers too.
>
>Gotta love senior week.

I tell ya - when you see these guys cruising up and down the main drag 
going two mph, they aren't hurting much of anything wearing normal squid 
attire.  I only cringe when they get off the cruise area.  I have squidded 
twice in the past two days.  Once in shorts and a T running 4 blocks to the 
gas station Saturday night, and once at lunch today running across the 
street for lunch.  Risk is all relative.


___________________________________________

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          http://www.troutman.org



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I think a lot of us here started as squidly. I know I
did many years ago. Any body who did't start out that
way (I think) missed something. Nothing like being
young and stupid. Gives you a wonderful sense of
power. As we grow up and realize how little we know
and how little we controll we can lose a bit freedom
and sense of adventure (not that I want to go back).
The trade off is acceptable (security, health, money).
When I see these T shirt and sandle types I just shake
my head reminese (SP), put on my jacket, boots, and
gloves and pass em in the turns.


Peace,

Trey





--- Troutman <mike@XXXXXX> wrote:
> At 01:19 PM 6/11/01, Matthew Rosenstock wrote:
> >I spent the past weekend in Ocean City, Maryland
> and
> >saw about 50 or so sportbikes. Fine machines, every
> >one. I would guess that maybe 5 of those 50 riders
> had
> >on any gear more than a helmet. A couple had full
> >leathers, but the rest were t-shirts and sandals.
> >Passengers too.
> >
> >Gotta love senior week.
> 
> I tell ya - when you see these guys cruising up and
> down the main drag 
> going two mph, they aren't hurting much of anything
> wearing normal squid 
> attire.  I only cringe when they get off the cruise
> area.  I have squidded 
> twice in the past two days.  Once in shorts and a T
> running 4 blocks to the 
> gas station Saturday night, and once at lunch today
> running across the 
> street for lunch.  Risk is all relative.
> 
> 
> ___________________________________________
> 
>      Mike Troutman
>           http://www.troutman.org
> 
> 


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"William J. Huson" wrote:

> Oil's no prob, got plenty, but ??? what kind of coolant do
> these rascels use?   Regular ol' Prestone or must I purchase Special
> Kawisaki Whip Out Da Wallet coolant? 

I think any extended-life silicate-free coolant (DexCool) should
be just fine.  That's what's recommended for the Connies.

Hork

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I will have to add that Roach and Laura were both accommodating during the NESBA track day on Friday.

When I told Roach I was not having any luck getting my knee down, he had me sit on my bike and showed me the proper positioning. Turns out I was sitting to far forward towards the tank and twisting my body. I needed to hang off with my shoulder too and to slide back on the seat.

I spent the last sessions working on my technique and it worked the bike was more stable in the corners and I could carry more speed. 

Thanks Roach.

BTW how do I contact your shop to purchase a lap timer? Website URL?

Cheers,

George Cole





>>> Larry Meyer <lmeyer@XXXXXX> 06/11/01 01:13PM >>>
I'm gonna have to jump in with Brian on this one - I'm constantly amazed at the
number of people he helps out around there.  More than once I've seen guys drop
off their crashed bikes at his pit when he wasn't around and had them say "Is
this 699's pit?  I forgot his name, but he said I could leave my bike and he'd
get it home for me".  Most of the people I call friends don't go as far for me as
he goes for near-strangers.

Larry Meyer
Annandale, VA
1997 Bandit 1200

Brian Roach wrote:

> On Wed, 06 Jun 2001, RacerGirl435@XXXXXX wrote:
>
> > Hey Laura!
> >
> > You and Roach are then ones with the Aprilia RS250's!  Why don't YOU guys
> > buy beer and snacks for everybody eh!?  hehe
> >
> > Non-motorcycle having wanna be racing an Aprilia RS250,
> > Jess
>
> We do, but generally only for people who don't talk about us behind our
> backs.
>
> And to answer the smart ass little remark you made at the track about Laura
> around people who know me (Funny how everyone at the track seems to know me,
> huh?), yes, it IS nice to be on the Brian Roach racing program. Ask Sean
> Jordan, Gil Gates, AND Laura. OR, any of the vast number of good people whom
> I've helped out at the track over the last 3 years either with setting up
> their bikes, hauling them around the country, or putting their bikes back
> together after they crashed.
>
> If you have a problem with me buying a bike for Laura to race, please, let me
> know what it is... I'll happily explain that A) I wanted to, because I can
> and she's quite possibly the greatest woman I've ever met, and B) It's none
> of your damn business. Maybe you should have made the payments on your bike,
> eh? Then you'd have a streetbike like Laura does.
>
> - Roach



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>BTW how do I contact your shop to purchase a lap timer? Website URL?

>Cheers,

>George Cole

George (and all others on the list):

feel free to contact speedwerks at 302-672-RACE.  you can talk to brian
through email, or call speedwerks and ask for steve.  They will get you
great deals on stuff you need (helmets, gear, parts, etc.) and you'll get
awesome service, too.  Also, check out www.speed-werks.com.

Laura






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--- Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX> wrote:
> >how many people died last year at summit or other local
> >tracks?
> 
> More than a handful. Probably 1.9 metric handfuls.

<snippage of more non-responsive banter>



> >  > >i wish the yanker would stop yanking.
> >>
> >>  What's got you so convinced that I'm the yanker
> >>  anyways? I've never had to hide behind a fabricated 
> >>  persona to voice my opinions. I think it's Randy 
> >>  Moran. Go read his past posts; he's mister 
> >>  enlightened verbosity man.
>
>> YOU are Dick E. Anker.  actually, most people knew that
>> one before i did, judging by the responses i got after
my
>> last post on this topic.
> 
> First person to conclusively prove that I am Mr. Yanker
> gets an autographed picture of Team Jordan Racing. (Or a
> reasonable facsimile thereof. Offer void in Hawaii, 
> Alaska, and Canada.)

i'll take that as an admission, and i hope the list reads
it the same way.  you may also want to watch who you tell
your "secrets" to.

other list members may or may not give a shit, but, in my
opinion, getting caught in a lie is a pretty bad thing. 
acting as if it is irrelevant or humorous is even worse.



> >i have no
> >interest in getting out on the racetrack with some young
> >punk with an attitude.
> 
> Hey, I am not a punk! I hate the Sex Pistols!
> 
> >i wonder if anyone here does....hmmmm
> 
> Obivously Laura and Roach do, or they wouldn't haul my 
> attitude-laden, ball displaying, punk ass around or let
> me pit with them. (Thanks again, guys!)....

actually, judging by the recent posts, brian and laura
would do that for a complete stranger.



> Randy Moran and Danny Thompson don't seem to mind either.

> (Hope you feel better soon Danny!) I think you're jealous

> that no one wants to ride on the track with YOU, Tom. 
> But that's ok. Not everyone can be as cool as me. Don't
> sweat it.

<not sweating>



> Egads, man, lighten up!  Although if I had to ride a 996
> for a streetbike, I'm sure I'd end up a hardass too.
> 
> Tee-hee.

it's tough to lighten up when dealing with someone who's
admittedly full of shit.  i'm sure you understand.




=====
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In a message dated 6/11/01 1:46:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
trey_22206@XXXXXX writes:

> I think a lot of us here started as squidly. I know I
>  did many years ago. Any body who did't start out that
>  way (I think) missed something. Nothing like being
>  young and stupid. Gives you a wonderful sense of
>  power. As we grow up and realize how little we know
>  and how little we controll we can lose a bit freedom
>  and sense of adventure (not that I want to go back).
>  The trade off is acceptable (security, health, money).
>  When I see these T shirt and sandle types I just shake
>  my head reminese (SP), put on my jacket, boots, and
>  gloves and pass em in the turns.

Wiser words have not been said.  We've ALL been there.  I know I certainly 
have.  Luckily I walked away from my brushes with natural selection.  All we 
can do is to pass on the wisdom we've learned...and maybe mention how cool it 
is to wear leather.  At least that's one nice side effect of the sportbike 
rage....better safety gear....when it's actually worn.  At the beach...good 
luck...despite the hazards of sand.

Keener

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> I will have to add that Roach and Laura were both accommodating during the 
> NESBA track day on Friday.

And what unnaturals was he performing?  Hehehe  :-))
  
>  When I told Roach I was not having any luck getting my knee down, he had 
me 
> sit on my bike and showed me the proper positioning. Turns out I was 
sitting 
> to far forward towards the tank and twisting my body. I needed to hang off 
> with my shoulder too and to slide back on the seat.
>  
>  I spent the last sessions working on my technique and it worked the bike 
was 
> more stable in the corners and I could carry more speed. 

OK....now take it a step further.  When would you think about moving your 
body forward?  Or backward?  When cornering at a high speed?  Once you start 
getting a feel for touching your knee down....it quickly loses it's cool 
factor.  I barely put my knee down...only to feel where I am in the lean...or 
to save a lowside. 
  
>  BTW how do I contact your shop to purchase a lap timer? Website URL?

(302) 672-RACE  You are probably asking about the AIM MyChron Light.  Figure 
are $230 or so I think.  

Keener

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In a message dated 6/11/2001 8:21:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
bhuson@XXXXXX writes:

> Oh, well, off to Powerslop to go shopping.

Oh well indeed!... They don't have it.

John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC

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    (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.)
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In a message dated 6/11/2001 12:54:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
tgroghan@XXXXXX writes:

> The owners said they hit a slick spot.

Having spent many years as a mechanic I can tell you that invisible sand is 
hell on bikes.
They all say "I hit a patch of sand!"... Yea right.

John Walters (Long John)
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Before I being, I hereby admit that I am Dick E. Anker. I do not 
exist in reality, and I do not ride a Harris-framed GSXR.

<soapbox>

>i'll take that as an admission, and i hope the list reads
>it the same way.

I've got one word for you.

Whoopty-do.

Why do you hope the list "reads it the same way."? What would that 
accomplish? Will people stop saying "Hello!" to me at Bike Nights? 
Will they turn their noses and close their visors when I walk by? Is 
your righteousness gland going berzerk or what? Do you have some sort 
of vested interest in the list taking that "as an admission"? What 
would the results be if everyone did take that as an admission? Would 
a Tribunal of Impartial Members then be convened to discuss possible 
censure and/or punishment?

>other list members may or may not give a shit, but, in my
>opinion, getting caught in a lie is a pretty bad thing.
>acting as if it is irrelevant or humorous is even worse.

*Yawn* How droll. Really, Tom, perhaps you should put "Paragon of 
Virtue, Justice, and The American Way" in your email signature. If I 
continue to laugh any harder, I might have to call the paramedics.

Lying is defined thusly:

"To present false information with the intention of deceiving."

Did I present false information? Sure I did! Did I do with the 
intention of deceiving? Not quite! Let's be honest here. (Pun fully 
intended.) Do you think so highly of yourself for seeing through my 
thin veil of subterfuge? Or do you think so little of the other 
listers that you have to point it out for them? I was so plain in my 
act of perfidy that it can hardly be construed as being deception. If 
I had really wanted to maintain a secret alter-ego, I wouldn't have 
posted to the list with a static IP address. If you go and look at 
the email headers, you'll see that mine and Mr. Anker's posts came 
from the same address. (And many of you did.) I also would have 
altered his patterns of language so that they didn't mirror my own. 
And I also wouldn't have protested my innocence in a way that made 
obvious the fact that I was Dick E. Anker!

When I posted the "Team Jordan Racing in the news!" email, do you 
think anyone saw that as a genuine news article? Do you think anyone 
thought I was attempting to pass off such a poorly written piece of 
drivel as an actual published piece of journalism? No one I've talked 
to has. (Albeit, I've only spoken with a handful of listers since its 
posting, but all of them thought it was rather clever and amusing, 
for a lie.)

The Yanker bit was of the same vein, a slyly crafted ruse meant to 
entertain other listers. Judging from the feedback, both were 
successful. There will be those who unamused, there might even be a 
few who are offended. Bully for them; such is their right. But to 
climb on such a high-horse over such an insignificant issue. Really, 
Tom, I hope you have better sense in choosing your legal battles.

So, for all of the listers who were genuinely offended by my posting 
as Dick E. Anker, and then lying about, I formally apologize. That 
was never my intent.

For those of you who saw the posts for what they were and enjoyed them, thanks.

I daresay there are even fewer fans of your sanctimonious and 
delicate sensibilities.

"Hey guys, look at that molehill over there....oh, wait. Nevermind. 
Tom's too busy making a  mountain out of it."

>it's tough to lighten up when dealing with someone who's
>admittedly full of shit.  i'm sure you understand.


Can't say that I do. I do, however, have a much harder time dealing 
with people who are so full of shit it clouds their ability to see 
things in their proper context.

May I humbly suggest Visine?

</soapbox>














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In a message dated 6/11/01 4:25:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
sean.jordan@XXXXXX writes:

> *Yawn* How droll. Really, Tom, perhaps you should put "Paragon of 
>  Virtue, Justice, and The American Way" in your email signature. If I 
>  continue to laugh any harder, I might have to call the paramedics.

Too fucking funny.  Hehehe.

I missed half of the exchange...damn...guess I'm gonna have to go back and 
read the fuss now.

Either way.

1.  Bad unicorn boy.
2.  Worse flame from whoever he was.
3.  Nice retort.  Guess I'll have to move you up a notch from stupid squid to 
educated squid.  :-))
4.  Now go play nice in the sandbox.

Oh...that quote above...pretty much made my day.  Thanks!  Tee hee hee...

Keener

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Gimer hinted at:

<merciful snip>

> > Egads, man, lighten up!  Although if I had to ride a 996
> > for a streetbike, I'm sure I'd end up a hardass too.
> >
> > Tee-hee.
>
> it's tough to lighten up when dealing with someone who's
> admittedly full of shit.  i'm sure you understand.

  Well, Tom, I would understand if you'd just stop beating around the 
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>>> <SKeener2@XXXXXX> Wrote <SNIP> 

>OK....now take it a step further.  When would you think about moving your 
>body forward?  Or backward?  When cornering at a high speed?

I guess to help the bike steer more or less without changing the lean angle? 

It was hard for me to push myself back on the seat. With the seat shape and rear high attitude of the R6 I always seem to slide forward. I had to push myself back with my legs, while trying not to put any pressure on the bars.

>Once you start getting a feel for touching your knee down....it quickly loses it's cool factor.  I barely put my knee down...only to feel where I am in the >lean...or to save a lowside. 

Yes, I know it's childish, but I still want to do it at least once. If just to brag to my moto buddies.
 
>  BTW how do I contact your shop to purchase a lap timer? Website URL?

>(302) 672-RACE  You are probably asking about the AIM MyChron Light.  Figure 
>are $230 or so I think.  

Thanks,  that's the one, I would like an accurate way to measure my progress. IE try a new line, shock setting, etc

George Cole





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--- Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Before I being, I hereby admit that I am Dick E. Anker. I
> do not 
> exist in reality, and I do not ride a Harris-framed GSXR.

mission accomplished.  now i can sleep at night.



> <soapbox>
> 
> >i'll take that as an admission, and i hope the list
> >reads it the same way.
> 
> I've got one word for you.
> 
> Whoopty-do.
> 
> Why do you hope the list "reads it the same way."? What
> would that accomplish? Will people stop saying "Hello!" 
> to me at Bike Nights? Will they turn their noses and 
> close their visors when I walk by? Is your righteousness 
> gland going berzerk or what? Do you have some sort 
> of vested interest in the list taking that "as an
> admission"? What would the results be if everyone did 
> take that as an admission? Would a Tribunal of Impartial 
> Members then be convened to discuss possible censure 
> and/or punishment?

none of the above.

i simply get a kick out of seeing people admit that they're
full of shit.  i'm a lawyer.  that's what many of us strive
to see EVERY FUCKING DAY.  why you haven't been able to
figure that out is surprising to me.  

as far as the list is concerned, i only hope that when some
individuals see your posts they say, "hey, great!  here's
another post from that sean guy.  jesus is he full of
shit."  it is really just that simple.



> >other list members may or may not give a shit, but, in
> >my opinion, getting caught in a lie is a pretty bad 
> >thing.  acting as if it is irrelevant or humorous is 
> >even worse.
> 
> *Yawn* How droll. Really, Tom, perhaps you should put
> "Paragon of Virtue, Justice, and The American Way" in 
> your email signature. If I continue to laugh any harder, 
> I might have to call the paramedics.
>
> Lying is defined thusly:
> 
> "To present false information with the intention of
> deceiving."

ahhh....the dictionary is pulled out yet again to explain
"how it is" to us uneducated listers.

fyi, when i accused you of and you denied being dick e.
anker, you "lied," by anyone's definition.



> Did I present false information? Sure I did! Did I do
> with the intention of deceiving? Not quite! Let's be 
> honest here. (Pun fully intended.) Do you think so highly

> of yourself for seeing through my thin veil of
> subterfuge? Or do you think so little of the other 
> listers that you have to point it out for them? I was so
> plain in my act of perfidy that it can hardly be 
> construed as being deception. If I had really wanted to 
> maintain a secret alter-ego, I wouldn't have posted to 
> the list with a static IP address. If you go and look at 
> the email headers, you'll see that mine and Mr. Anker's
> posts came from the same address. (And many of you did.) 
> I also would have altered his patterns of language so 
> that they didn't mirror my own. And I also wouldn't have 
> protested my innocence in a way that made obvious the 
> fact that I was Dick E. Anker!

sorry, but there are plenty of us on the list without the
knowledge required to make that connection.  are we all IT
guys?  no.  thank god.



> When I posted the "Team Jordan Racing in the news!"
> email, do you think anyone saw that as a genuine news 
> article? Do you think anyone thought I was attempting to 
> pass off such a poorly written piece of drivel as an 
> actual published piece of journalism? No one I've talked 
> to has. (Albeit, I've only spoken with a handful of
> listers since its posting, but all of them thought it was

> rather clever and amusing, for a lie.)  The Yanker bit 
> was of the same vein, a slyly crafted ruse
> meant to entertain other listers. Judging from the 
> feedback, both were successful.

it's pretty clear from my posts (check the archives) that i
was impressed with the yanker....that is, until i
discovered it was you, confronted you, and you denied it.



> There will be those who unamused, there might even be a 
> few who are offended. Bully for them; such is their 
> right. But to climb on such a high-horse over such an 
> insignificant issue. Really, Tom, I hope you have better 
> sense in choosing your legal battles.

all of this talk after challenging the list to perk up!  it
seems that when the target of the perking up is YOU, there
is no need for such frivolty.  what a crock!  tell me you
see why this strikes me as quite funny.



> So, for all of the listers who were genuinely offended by
> my posting as Dick E. Anker, and then lying about, I 
> formally apologize. That was never my intent.
> 
> For those of you who saw the posts for what they were and
> enjoyed them, thanks.
> 
> I daresay there are even fewer fans of your sanctimonious
> and delicate sensibilities.

<sniff>, <sniff>

if only i had the wealth of fans and friends that you
believe you have.



> "Hey guys, look at that molehill over there....oh, wait.
> Nevermind. Tom's too busy making a  mountain out of it."
> 
> >it's tough to lighten up when dealing with someone who's
> >admittedly full of shit.  i'm sure you understand.
> 
> Can't say that I do. I do, however, have a much harder
> time dealing with people who are so full of shit it 
> clouds their ability to see things in their proper 
> context.
> 
> May I humbly suggest Visine?
> 
> </soapbox>

suggestion noted....and not understood.  visine "gets the
red out"?????

but why not make it easy for me and enlighten me as to the
"proper context"?  i was actually following you right up to
the very end.....

i'll also offer to take this off-list unless there is some
identified interest in seeing this end in the forum it
started.


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No one gives a fuck.  Gimer, you are looking for
attention by even making this a public list issue from
the beginning.  

Take it somewhere else.  Enough negativity around here
today.


--- Tom Gimer <t_gimer@XXXXXX> wrote:
> --- Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > Before I being, I hereby admit that I am Dick E.
> Anker. I
> > do not 
> > exist in reality, and I do not ride a
> Harris-framed GSXR.
> 
> mission accomplished.  now i can sleep at night.
> 
> 
> 
> > <soapbox>
> > 
> > >i'll take that as an admission, and i hope the
> list
> > >reads it the same way.
> > 
> > I've got one word for you.
> > 
> > Whoopty-do.
> > 
> > Why do you hope the list "reads it the same way."?
> What
> > would that accomplish? Will people stop saying
> "Hello!" 
> > to me at Bike Nights? Will they turn their noses
> and 
> > close their visors when I walk by? Is your
> righteousness 
> > gland going berzerk or what? Do you have some sort
> 
> > of vested interest in the list taking that "as an
> > admission"? What would the results be if everyone
> did 
> > take that as an admission? Would a Tribunal of
> Impartial 
> > Members then be convened to discuss possible
> censure 
> > and/or punishment?
> 
> none of the above.
> 
> i simply get a kick out of seeing people admit that
> they're
> full of shit.  i'm a lawyer.  that's what many of us
> strive
> to see EVERY FUCKING DAY.  why you haven't been able
> to
> figure that out is surprising to me.  
> 
> as far as the list is concerned, i only hope that
> when some
> individuals see your posts they say, "hey, great! 
> here's
> another post from that sean guy.  jesus is he full
> of
> shit."  it is really just that simple.
> 
> 
> 
> > >other list members may or may not give a shit,
> but, in
> > >my opinion, getting caught in a lie is a pretty
> bad 
> > >thing.  acting as if it is irrelevant or humorous
> is 
> > >even worse.
> > 
> > *Yawn* How droll. Really, Tom, perhaps you should
> put
> > "Paragon of Virtue, Justice, and The American Way"
> in 
> > your email signature. If I continue to laugh any
> harder, 
> > I might have to call the paramedics.
> >
> > Lying is defined thusly:
> > 
> > "To present false information with the intention
> of
> > deceiving."
> 
> ahhh....the dictionary is pulled out yet again to
> explain
> "how it is" to us uneducated listers.
> 
> fyi, when i accused you of and you denied being dick
> e.
> anker, you "lied," by anyone's definition.
> 
> 
> 
> > Did I present false information? Sure I did! Did I
> do
> > with the intention of deceiving? Not quite! Let's
> be 
> > honest here. (Pun fully intended.) Do you think so
> highly
> 
> > of yourself for seeing through my thin veil of
> > subterfuge? Or do you think so little of the other
> 
> > listers that you have to point it out for them? I
> was so
> > plain in my act of perfidy that it can hardly be 
> > construed as being deception. If I had really
> wanted to 
> > maintain a secret alter-ego, I wouldn't have
> posted to 
> > the list with a static IP address. If you go and
> look at 
> > the email headers, you'll see that mine and Mr.
> Anker's
> > posts came from the same address. (And many of you
> did.) 
> > I also would have altered his patterns of language
> so 
> > that they didn't mirror my own. And I also
> wouldn't have 
> > protested my innocence in a way that made obvious
> the 
> > fact that I was Dick E. Anker!
> 
> sorry, but there are plenty of us on the list
> without the
> knowledge required to make that connection.  are we
> all IT
> guys?  no.  thank god.
> 
> 
> 
> > When I posted the "Team Jordan Racing in the
> news!"
> > email, do you think anyone saw that as a genuine
> news 
> > article? Do you think anyone thought I was
> attempting to 
> > pass off such a poorly written piece of drivel as
> an 
> > actual published piece of journalism? No one I've
> talked 
> > to has. (Albeit, I've only spoken with a handful
> of
> > listers since its posting, but all of them thought
> it was
> 
> > rather clever and amusing, for a lie.)  The Yanker
> bit 
> > was of the same vein, a slyly crafted ruse
> > meant to entertain other listers. Judging from the
> 
> > feedback, both were successful.
> 
> it's pretty clear from my posts (check the archives)
> that i
> was impressed with the yanker....that is, until i
> discovered it was you, confronted you, and you
> denied it.
> 
> 
> 
> > There will be those who unamused, there might even
> be a 
> > few who are offended. Bully for them; such is
> their 
> > right. But to climb on such a high-horse over such
> an 
> > insignificant issue. Really, Tom, I hope you have
> better 
> > sense in choosing your legal battles.
> 
> all of this talk after challenging the list to perk
> up!  it
> seems that when the target of the perking up is YOU,
> there
> is no need for such frivolty.  what a crock!  tell
> me you
> see why this strikes me as quite funny.
> 
> 
> 
> > So, for all of the listers who were genuinely
> offended by
> > my posting as Dick E. Anker, and then lying about,
> I 
> > formally apologize. That was never my intent.
> > 
> > For those of you who saw the posts for what they
> were and
> > enjoyed them, thanks.
> > 
> > I daresay there are even fewer fans of your
> sanctimonious
> > and delicate sensibilities.
> 
> <sniff>, <sniff>
> 
> if only i had the wealth of fans and friends that
> you
> believe you have.
> 
> 
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In a message dated 6/11/01 5:06:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
t_gimer@XXXXXX writes:

> mission accomplished.  now i can sleep at night.

I'm gonna sleep better already.  
  
>  i simply get a kick out of seeing people admit that they're
>  full of shit.  i'm a lawyer.  that's what many of us strive
>  to see EVERY FUCKING DAY.  why you haven't been able to
>  figure that out is surprising to me.  

Ahhh...now I see the problem here.  Lawyer ego meets wiseass.  FYI 
folks...Sean is a nice guy....who ocassional opens his mouth a bit wide.  But 
the diatribe from said 'lawyer' seems to be a bit over the top to me.
  
>  as far as the list is concerned, i only hope that when some
>  individuals see your posts they say, "hey, great!  here's
>  another post from that sean guy.  jesus is he full of
>  shit."  it is really just that simple.
  
And just who am I thinking is full of shit now?  I'll give ya one guess.
  
>  all of this talk after challenging the list to perk up!  it
>  seems that when the target of the perking up is YOU, there
>  is no need for such frivolty.  what a crock!  tell me you
>  see why this strikes me as quite funny.
  
Frivolity?  Uh...actually...I'd say the tone of your posts (As I read them) 
seem to lean towards belligerent.  
  
>  but why not make it easy for me and enlighten me as to the
>  "proper context"?  i was actually following you right up to
>  the very end.....
  
Oh oh oh....can I?  Hmmm...."Get the shit out"?  It's just a guess...and I'm 
another practically illterate computer nerd ya know.  Hehehehe

>  i'll also offer to take this off-list unless there is some
>  identified interest in seeing this end in the forum it
>  started.

Let me guess...sabers at dawn?  

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I'm constantly amazed at the
> number of people he helps out around there.  >

well, I see this as a great time to say thank you to Brian for all he has
done for me.  I started out last year wanting to do a track day.  Without
even knowing me, he offered to do the track day with me.  A group of us did
the cycle sport track day, and Brian was there helping each and every one of
us.

After that track day, I knew I wanted to race.  Not only has he helped me by
setting me up in great schools and taking multiple track days, buying me the
greatest bike I could possibly have, and helping me get started...he has
also been there to help me when I have a bad day and feel like I can't do it
at all.  He's given me lots of great advice to help me become a better
rider, and he has given me all of the support I could ever need.  He helps
me when I need a gear change, a tire change, etc., and I'm slowly learning
about all of the stuff he teaches me. This has been so valuable.

I see him at track days and every weekend, and he will help anyone who wants
help.  He is a great racer and knows how bikes work, so this is a great
combination.  Not only is Brian like this, but almost every racer I have
ever talked to.  Others on this list, like Fred, Randy Moran, Danny
Thompson, Steeve Kenner, etc...are all people that have helped me learn how
to race...and that's the great thing about racers.  They are all there to
help each other become better.

Just because someone has the *ability* to help someone out financially
shouldn't make people mad .  It's just another great example of how racers
help out others, especially new racers get into the sport.  I'm sure you can
ask Sean and many others about this too.  I am thankful every day that I
have someone like Brian who has helped me start doing the most fun thing I
have ever done in my life!!!  (ok, people, no jokes about the "love bird"
stuff!...this is irrelevant to us being boyfriend/girlfriend).

I encourage people to come out to the track, whether it's to watch us race,
YSR races, etc., because if you want to, you will learn a ton about riding
and becoming a better rider, whether you want to race or not.

Laura


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Subject: What a weekend that was !
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The weather - couldn't have special ordered it much better.

The racing (watching only for me...) - I rode up to Summit Saturday and
Sunday through the above mentioned great weather. The racing was great. The
Roach pit is alot of fun all the time.
Sean - I love that pig you ride (on the street that is).
Laura - great lens - thanks, I hope the pictures are half as good as the
racing. You kicked ass there Saturday !
Gil - oh - he doesn't read this... When i grow up I want to do that too...
Brian - WAY TO GO on the 3rd place finish and those damn fast times !

Bike Night: Thanks Chuck and Mark for doing this. I rode down straight from
Summit - I figured I needed dinner anyway. The location is perfect. The
place is friendly and I had a great time. A whole lot of riders showed up.

...now if I only had time to do tend to my studies...


Niv
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>i simply get a kick out of seeing people admit that they're
>full of shit.

Let's get one thing straight: I have never ever, publicly or 
privately, claimed that I am NOT full of shit.

>   i'm a lawyer.  that's what many of us strive
>to see EVERY FUCKING DAY.

Personally, I strive to see the ceiling above my bed when I wake up 
every morning. Maybe that's just me. I think you need to 
re-prioritize.

>  why you haven't been able to
>figure that out is surprising to me.

My knowledge of lawyers is derived from re-runs of Matlock, Lionel 
Hutz from the Simpsons and personal interaction with you. I have 
never been so confused by anyone subject.

>as far as the list is concerned, i only hope that when some
>individuals see your posts they say, "hey, great!  here's
>another post from that sean guy.  jesus is he full of
>shit."

This is what I hope for as well. What was the point of contention again?

>it is really just that simple.

It has been my experience that when someone says "It is really just 
that simple", in all actuality, it is not that simple.

>  > Lying is defined thusly:
>>
>>  "To present false information with the intention of
>>  deceiving."
>
>ahhh....the dictionary is pulled out yet again to explain
>"how it is" to us uneducated listers.

Not, the dictionary was pulled out yet again to explain "how it is" to you.

>fyi, when i accused you of and you denied being dick e.
>anker, you "lied," by anyone's definition.

Details, details. Must you define everything so absolutely?

>sorry, but there are plenty of us on the list without the
>knowledge required to make that connection.  are we all IT
>guys?  no.  thank god.

BUT there are a great deal of people who are. (Whom you've most 
likely just offended with your little "No. thank god." remark.) For 
those who aren't there were still plenty of other outrageously 
blatant clues. You need not have been Sherlock Holmes to read the 
rest of the clues.

>it's pretty clear from my posts (check the archives) that i
>was impressed with the yanker....

He sends his best regards, by the way.

>that is, until i discovered it was you, confronted you, and you denied it.

Here's the wind-up......

>all of this talk after challenging the list to perk up!  it
>seems that when the target of the perking up is YOU, there
>is no need for such frivolty.

And the pitch! Man, Tom. You are SO easy to manipulate. ::sigh:: 
Thank you for doing my dirty work.

>  what a crock!  tell me you
>see why this strikes me as quite funny.

I see why it strikes me as quite funny. In fact, I'm laughing right now!

><sniff>, <sniff>
>
>if only i had the wealth of fans and friends that you
>believe you have.

Oooooooh! Ouch! You call that a flame? That's more of a mild spark, 
really. I'm disappointed. You used to have such a fire in your belly. 
I ask you this, Tom: Where have all the cowboys gone? Where?, I ask 
you.

>suggestion noted....and not understood.  visine "gets the
>red out"?????

Standard medical knowledge indicates that the human ocular cavity is 
severely irritated by exposure to fecal matter. Irritation of these 
membranes often results in redness, which is alleviated by small 
doses of Visine.

>but why not make it easy for me and enlighten me as to the
>"proper context"?  i was actually following you right up to
>the very end.....

Nope, no more enlightenment for you. I'm fresh out of enlightenment. 
I can offer clarification and edification, but no more enlightenment.

>i'll also offer to take this off-list unless there is some
>identified interest in seeing this end in the forum it
>started.

Of course there's some identified interest in seeing this end in the 
forum it started. Geeze, isn't that painfully obvious?

--
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--- SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote:
> In a message dated 6/11/01 5:06:22 PM Eastern Daylight
> Time, 
> t_gimer@XXXXXX writes:
> 
> >  i simply get a kick out of seeing people admit that
> >  they're full of shit.  i'm a lawyer.  that's what many

> >  of us strive to see EVERY FUCKING DAY.  why you 
> >  haven't been able to figure that out is surprising to 
> >  me.  
> 
> Ahhh...now I see the problem here.  Lawyer ego meets
> wiseass.  FYI folks...Sean is a nice guy....who 
> ocassional opens his mouth a bit wide.  But the diatribe 
> from said 'lawyer' seems to be a bit over the top to me.

occasionally?  riiiiight.

i'm glad to see that someone who admittedly has no idea
what is being discussed feels the need to chime in with
support for his buddy.  the more the merrier.  i just wish
you had provided ANYTHING comprehendible.


> >  as far as the list is concerned, i only hope that when
> >  some individuals see your posts they say, "hey, great!

> >  here's another post from that sean guy.  jesus is he 
> >  full of shit."  it is really just that simple.
>   
> And just who am I thinking is full of shit now?  I'll
> give ya one guess.

hmmmm


   
> >  all of this talk after challenging the list to perk
> >  up!  it seems that when the target of the perking up 
> >  is YOU, there is no need for such frivolty.  what a 
> >  crock!  tell me you see why this strikes me as quite 
> >  funny.
>   
> Frivolity?  Uh...actually...I'd say the tone of your
> posts (As I read them) seem to lean towards belligerent. 


thank god we have you here to make sure sean doesn't get
hurt!  i think sean has demonstrated the ability to fend
for himself in the past.  why not let him?

as for you, i have no idea who you are or what you think
you have brought to the table by jumping in.



> >  but why not make it easy for me and enlighten me as to
> >  the "proper context"?  i was actually following you 
> >  right up to the very end.....
>   
> Oh oh oh....can I?  Hmmm...."Get the shit out"?  It's
> just a guess...and I'm another practically illterate 
> computer nerd ya know. 
> Hehehehe

why not let sean answer?  i sure as hell can't figure out
what you intended to mean here.



> >  i'll also offer to take this off-list unless there is
> >  some identified interest in seeing this end in the 
> >  forum it started.
> 
> Let me guess...sabers at dawn?

lost again.

congrats, keener.  you just succeeded in (1) contributing
nothing to the discussion and (2) making sure it continues
(against the wishes of many, including myself).


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>congrats, keener.  you just succeeded in (1) contributing
>nothing to the discussion and (2) making sure it continues
>(against the wishes of many, including myself).

Waitaminute.....does anyone see the what's wrong with that last 
statement? What the hell kind of logic is Tom using? I think it's a 
rare branch of logic commonly attributed to the ancient Greek 
philosopher Stupidimedes.

"Hmmm....someone has just responded to a discussion that I wish would 
not continue. I think I'll PUBLICLY REPLY TO THAT PERSON, thereby 
eliminating further discourse and engendering peace throughout the 
list. Yeah, that outta work."

Oh golly, oh gee, oh great googaly-moogaly. I got to go racing all 
weekend and now this? I can't take any more fun? Oh God, please make 
it stop. My ribs are aching like nobody's business.

-- 
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the 
skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #230 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
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--- Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX> wrote:
> >congrats, keener.  you just succeeded in (1)
> >contributing nothing to the discussion and (2) making 
> >sure it continues (against the wishes of many, including

> >myself).
> 
> Waitaminute.....does anyone see the what's wrong with
> that last statement? What the hell kind of logic is Tom 
> using? I think it's a rare branch of logic commonly 
> attributed to the ancient Greek philosopher Stupidimedes.
> 
> "Hmmm....someone has just responded to a discussion that
> I wish would not continue. I think I'll PUBLICLY REPLY TO

> THAT PERSON, thereby eliminating further discourse and 
> engendering peace throughout the list. Yeah, that outta 
> work."

i will regretably admit that you have made a point here. 
well done.

however, having just prior to that message responded to the
list that i would be happy to take the discussion
elsewhere, i think it is clear what my intentions were.



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Hey Laura!  How about another part to the member bios page on the 
website....

Number of 'Delete' keys broken!

Mark me down for another one.


Gentlemen....Please...move away from your keyboards and GO RIDE!!!!!
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In a message dated 6/11/01 5:17:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SKeener2@XXXXXX 
writes:

<< Let me guess...sabers at dawn?  >>


Foils are more elegant.

Ciao,

Fred

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From: "Rob Keiser" <robkeiser@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news!

Hey Laura!  How about another part to the member bios page on the
website....
Number of 'Delete' keys broken!
>>Consider yourself lucky.  Those of us on digest have to either sort through it
or trash the whole post.  
Please consider this another request to take all pissing contests off-line.  

Mark me down for another one.
Gentlemen....Please...move away from your keyboards and GO RIDE!!!!!
>>partially agree.  move away from your keyboards, after that do whatever you
want

R

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snip...
> it stop. My ribs are aching like nobody's business.

You just had to bring that up...

Danny
'98 VTR
'99 SV  (race bike) battered for now...
Novice #903
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I'm rather sunburned to a crisp but I just finished up my first ever Cycle Sport Track Day. I spectated the event last September and promised myself to attend this time around.

I rode 2 bikes - my cb750 Nighthawk and my most recent acquisition: a GS500E race bike. I started with the NH simply because I knew how she worked and wanted to see what the track looked like from the rider's perspective. Incredible. I was consistantly off by one gear powering out of turns 2, 5, and 10 but I had a blast and my tires even have that 'look'.

I did 2 sessions on the NH, scraping all sort of things and actually out-riding some of the others in my C group. I decided to switch to the GS at that point so as to not have to figure out how this other bike rode in the more exciting afternoon sessions. Sitting in the crouch, hugging the narrow tank, ducking under the fairing, the mighty inline-twin blatting it's 43HP out. Poetry. Wow. I was speachless. Since I was getting blown away on the straights by the 600cc sportbikes I had to make up for it in braking and corner speed. Many was the time I was running up people's tailpipes off the gas as they felt their way around the turn.

I had some good battles going there for a bit. One guy on a TZ350 and another a VFR700 piloted by "mr. Fox leathers" and I mixed it up. I just wish passing in corners was permitted. Oh well, that's what I need a race license for. Despite my 'valient' efforts it was frustrating to see the SV650's etc. just pull away like I was standing still, no matter that my engine was near readline. But for my first ever ride on a race bike, my first ever foray onto a track, and that my bike riding 1st birthday has yet to arrive, to complete the day in such a good manner without incident feels great.

Speaking of incidents, today was crash city. No less than 6 red flags stopped rides. Predomanantly in the A class but the C's notched a couple as well. We got started late (10am instead of 8) and our group only got to do 3 laps of the final 30 or so minute session because of a ground hog or an encounter with one. Wasn't too clear on the specifics on that.

My lines could use some improvement. I was noticing how wide people were going out of 2, 6, 7 and here I was slicing in deep from mid-lane instead of the outer edge. Maybe it was a factor of the lightness of the bike. Or that my power curve is such that I can have a lot of throttle and not much happens. Things to work on next time out.

I have to echo the tone of Laura's post. This *IS* the experience.
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Any chance anyone out there have a video or a first hand account of my crash
at Summit on Sunday May 13th?
Danny
'98 VTR
'99 SV  (race bike) battered for now...
Novice #903
www.onewayracing.org

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<Snipped  Gimer / Jordan flame fest>

>sorry, but there are plenty of us on the list without the
>knowledge required to make that connection.  are we all IT
>guys?  no.  thank god.

		You mean this list has OTHER types ?  NON IT?  SACRILEGE!


BUT there are a great deal of people who are. (Whom you've most
likely just offended with your little "No. thank god." remark.)

		You're kidding, right Sean ?  The above pearl of wisdom doesn't even
register on the Gimermeter(tm), which is used to measure the literary
Venom in email & BBS.  That was only a 3.0 (out of ten) on the
Gimermeter(tm).  But, it's at least an 'opening of the door for some
tasteless Lawyer scum jokes ;-)


Dave Yates
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> But the diatribe
> from said 'lawyer' seems to be a bit over the top to me.

	Gimer.  Over the top....  BAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.  
	That was a Doosey...  	;-)



Dave Yates
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Fredo pointed out:



<< Let me guess...sabers at dawn?  >>


Foils are more elegant.


		I will only sign off on the above statement, if they're used in the
manner of motorcycle jousting.  Maybe we could set up a little cone
course in the MVA parking lot...
		;-)


Dave Yates
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My buddy and I are going to Budd's Creek on Sunday for the AMA 125/250
National motocross races.  We are considering riding our bikes.  Tickets are
$25.00.  Is anyone interested in joining us?  The central meeting location
will be in either Prince William County or Stafford County off I-95.  If
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 Boiade@XXXXXX wrote:

> << Let me guess...sabers at dawn?  >>
> 
> Foils are more elegant.

Ah yes, but .45s are more effective.

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> << Let me guess...sabers at dawn?  >>
>
> Foils are more elegant.

Ah yes, but .45s are more effective.

	"You gonna pull those pistols, or whistle Dixie?"  ;-)

Dave Yates


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At 05:05 PM 6/11/01, Tom Gimer wrote:
>.... are we all IT guys?  no.  thank god.

Hey, that's pretty low, coming from a sleazebag ambulance chaser in 
Washington, DC.  8;)

Maybe Gimer and Jordan are one and the same, and we're all really being had.

-- Larry



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Hey, that's pretty low, coming from a sleazebag ambulance chaser in
Washington, DC.  8;)

Maybe Gimer and Jordan are one and the same, and we're all really being
had.

		Then that would mean that Gimer would be Jordan, AND Anker.  Damn.  We
couldn't script a soap opera any better...


Dave Yates
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>>Gentlemen....Please...move away from your keyboards
and GO RIDE!!!!!<<

I second the motion! :0

All in favor, say Aye! All opposed say Nay! The Ayes
have it. Yeah, I heard voices!!! :0 I've gotcha too,
cause it will be pretty hard to get a show of hands on
this vote until the next Bike Night! LOL

-jeff

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Noticed a spiffy-looking Honda VF1000R on 66E this morning, right before I
turned off on 28.  Unmarked police SUV behind, plus another car in front.
Anyone on list?


Robert Verde


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First, I want to thank everyone who came to Bike Night @ The Rock last
Saturday.  We had a great time sitting up on the roof enjoying the great
weather and being able to look down on the parking lot with all the
motorcycles.  It's too bad we couldn't get the racing videos up on the
roof (WSB and 250/500 GP), but they played downstairs on the big
screens.

We had a decent size crowd, but not huge.  So I'm kind of curious as to
why people weren't there.  It would help me and Mark to know for
planning future Bike Nights.  If it's not too much trouble, please let
us know why you didn't come to Bike Night:

1.  Not in town that weekend (e.g., at the races, at the beach).
2.  Already busy with other social engagement(s) on Saturday night.
3.  The weather was so nice that I just kept riding and forgot all about
Bike Night.
4.  Didn't want to come into DC.
5.  Other.

Thanx!

Chuck, aka Deerhunter

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Really?  I thought the "discussion" was kind of fun.  Better than tire, oil
and "gee I went racing and loved it" threads.  If I recall correctly, I
think it is Gimer's turn next! :-)

Waiting,
--chris





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>>Gentlemen....Please...move away from your keyboards
and GO RIDE!!!!!<<

I second the motion! :0

All in favor, say Aye! All opposed say Nay! The Ayes
have it. Yeah, I heard voices!!! :0 I've gotcha too,
cause it will be pretty hard to get a show of hands on
this vote until the next Bike Night! LOL

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Husband had his appendix out, that's why I wasn't
there. LOL
The weekend was spent going back & forth to the
hospital on my motorcycle.  Ah well, at least I got to
ride, right?  ;-)
When's the one at Grevey's again?  I want to come to
that one.  :-)

- Jeannette
  '86 VFR 700 F2
  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

--- Chuck Pena <cvkgpena@XXXXXX> wrote:
If it's not too much
> trouble, please let
> us know why you didn't come to Bike Night:
> 
> 1.  Not in town that weekend (e.g., at the races, at
> the beach).
> 2.  Already busy with other social engagement(s) on
> Saturday night.
> 3.  The weather was so nice that I just kept riding
> and forgot all about
> Bike Night.
> 4.  Didn't want to come into DC.
> 5.  Other.
> 
> Thanx!
> 
> Chuck, aka Deerhunter
> 
> -- 
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> visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas


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Actually, I think Gimer is Jordan's Evil Twin Brother.  Or is Jordan Gimer's Evil Twin Brother?  Or are they really triplets and Anker is the normal one?  Or..or...AAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Too....much...thinking...head....going....to...explode.....POWWWWW....;-)  "So are the days of our lives."

Scooter (hitting delete key now)

In a message dated Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:31:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Dave Yates" <sdave@XXXXXX> writes:

<< 
Hey, that's pretty low, coming from a sleazebag ambulance chaser in
Washington, DC.  8;)

Maybe Gimer and Jordan are one and the same, and we're all really being
had.

        Then that would mean that Gimer would be Jordan, AND Anker.  Damn.  We
couldn't script a soap opera any better...


Dave Yates
'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
'97 Cobra #5148
http://www.radix.net/~sdave/


 >>



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Ummm...I think it's Number 1 Regis.  Not in town that weekend (at bro-in-laws b-day celebration. last minute invite.)  And that's my final answer.  :-)  If you schedule another one at The Rock, I will definitely make sure I attend.

Scooter

In a message dated Tue, 12 Jun 2001  9:20:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Chuck Pena <cvkgpena@XXXXXX> writes:

<< First, I want to thank everyone who came to Bike Night @ The Rock last
Saturday.  We had a great time sitting up on the roof enjoying the great
weather and being able to look down on the parking lot with all the
motorcycles.  It's too bad we couldn't get the racing videos up on the
roof (WSB and 250/500 GP), but they played downstairs on the big
screens.

We had a decent size crowd, but not huge.  So I'm kind of curious as to
why people weren't there.  It would help me and Mark to know for
planning future Bike Nights.  If it's not too much trouble, please let
us know why you didn't come to Bike Night:

1.  Not in town that weekend (e.g., at the races, at the beach).
2.  Already busy with other social engagement(s) on Saturday night.
3.  The weather was so nice that I just kept riding and forgot all about
Bike Night.
4.  Didn't want to come into DC.
5.  Other.

Thanx!

Chuck, aka Deerhunter

-- 
"Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai
visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas
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In a message dated 6/11/2001 10:14:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
sdave@XXXXXX writes:

> > << Let me guess...sabers at dawn?  >>
>  >
>  > Foils are more elegant.
>  
>  Ah yes, but .45s are more effective.

We are talking Honda V 45 Sabers? Right?

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Up near DC

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    (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.)
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Maybe Stephen King could write a story about this....
Oh yeah, he already did. It's called "The Dark Half".
Great book. 


--- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote:
> Actually, I think Gimer is Jordan's Evil Twin
> Brother.  Or is Jordan Gimer's Evil Twin Brother? 
> Or are they really triplets and Anker is the normal
> one? 
> 


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>>>>It's better than...."gee I went racing and loved it" threads.  

ummm, and what exactly is wrong with those???

LAG


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Hmmm...actually I think SK was beat to the punch by Thomas Tryon with "The 
Other"

>From: Matthew Rosenstock <m_rosenstock@XXXXXX>
>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
>Subject: RE: Team Jordan Racing in the news!
>Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 07:01:23 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Maybe Stephen King could write a story about this....
>Oh yeah, he already did. It's called "The Dark Half".
>Great book.
>
>
>--- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote:
> > Actually, I think Gimer is Jordan's Evil Twin
> > Brother.  Or is Jordan Gimer's Evil Twin Brother?
> > Or are they really triplets and Anker is the normal
> > one?
> >
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I can vouch here for Brian also.
First time I met Brian was once when I went to Speedwerks in DE.
I had gone there to see a bike Steve the owner had for sale.
Brian haapened to be hanging there at that time. After I looked at the bike 
and had made a deal to buy it - Brian introduced himself and I said that I 
had heard a lot about him on the DC-Cycles list. He had answered all my 
questions about the bike I wanted to purchase and when he heard I lived in 
VA and was having trouble transporting the bike to VA he volunteered without 
any hasitation. He went completely out of his way on a weekend to bring the 
bike right to my house and dropping it for me - eventhough he had a lot of 
other things he could have done. On other occassions Brian has also answered 
a lot of my stupid questions on numerous phone calls I have made to him 
never getting annoyed no even once. The point here I am trying to make here 
is - It is easy to make friends but real friends are hard to cme by.

Regards

Altaan Choudhry
9D7 TLS

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Brian Roach wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2001, RacerGirl435@XXXXXX wrote:

Hey Laura!

You and Roach are then ones with the Aprilia RS250's!  Why don't YOU guys
buy beer and snacks for everybody eh!?  hehe

Non-motorcycle having wanna be racing an Aprilia RS250,Jess
We do, but generally only for people who don't talk about us behind our
backs.

And to answer the smart ass little remark you made at the track about Laura
around people who know me (Funny how everyone at the track seems to know me,
huh?), yes, it IS nice to be on the Brian Roach racing program. Ask Sean
Jordan, Gil Gates, AND Laura. OR, any of the vast number of good people whom 
I've helped out at the track over the last 3 years either with setting up 
their bikes, hauling them around the country, or putting their bikes back 
together after they crashed.

If you have a problem with me buying a bike for Laura to race, please, let 
me know what it is... I'll happily explain that A) I wanted to, because I 
can and she's quite possibly the greatest woman I've ever met, and B) It's 
none of your damn business. Maybe you should have made the payments on your 
bike, eh? Then you'd have a streetbike like Laura does.

- Roach

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I can vouch too......the man set me up with leathers
and a place to call home for California Superbike
School 2000 and 2001 at VIR.  Also, he is a nice gut
(at least when he's got the right tires on his bike!!)

Mark

--- Altaan Choudhry <altaanc@XXXXXX> wrote:
> I can vouch here for Brian also.
> First time I met Brian was once when I went to
> Speedwerks in DE.
> I had gone there to see a bike Steve the owner had
> for sale.
> Brian haapened to be hanging there at that time.
> After I looked at the bike 
> and had made a deal to buy it - Brian introduced
> himself and I said that I 
> had heard a lot about him on the DC-Cycles list. He
> had answered all my 
> questions about the bike I wanted to purchase and
> when he heard I lived in 
> VA and was having trouble transporting the bike to
> VA he volunteered without 
> any hasitation. He went completely out of his way on
> a weekend to bring the 
> bike right to my house and dropping it for me -
> eventhough he had a lot of 
> other things he could have done. On other occassions
> Brian has also answered 
> a lot of my stupid questions on numerous phone calls
> I have made to him 
> never getting annoyed no even once. The point here I
> am trying to make here 
> is - It is easy to make friends but real friends are
> hard to cme by.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Altaan Choudhry
> 9D7 TLS
> 
>
==================================================================
> Brian Roach wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 06 Jun 2001, RacerGirl435@XXXXXX wrote:
> 
> Hey Laura!
> 
> You and Roach are then ones with the Aprilia
> RS250's!  Why don't YOU guys
> buy beer and snacks for everybody eh!?  hehe
> 
> Non-motorcycle having wanna be racing an Aprilia
> RS250,Jess
> We do, but generally only for people who don't talk
> about us behind our
> backs.
> 
> And to answer the smart ass little remark you made
> at the track about Laura
> around people who know me (Funny how everyone at the
> track seems to know me,
> huh?), yes, it IS nice to be on the Brian Roach
> racing program. Ask Sean
> Jordan, Gil Gates, AND Laura. OR, any of the vast
> number of good people whom 
> I've helped out at the track over the last 3 years
> either with setting up 
> their bikes, hauling them around the country, or
> putting their bikes back 
> together after they crashed.
> 
> If you have a problem with me buying a bike for
> Laura to race, please, let 
> me know what it is... I'll happily explain that A) I
> wanted to, because I 
> can and she's quite possibly the greatest woman I've
> ever met, and B) It's 
> none of your damn business. Maybe you should have
> made the payments on your 
> bike, eh? Then you'd have a streetbike like Laura
> does.
> 
> - Roach
> 
>
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We did better this this weekend at Summit Point.  Read all about it at:

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For next event info see:

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Hmmm...I missed that you had sent that to the list.  DOH.  

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> occasionally?  riiiiight.

Admittedly...he's over the top many times.  
  
>  i'm glad to see that someone who admittedly has no idea
>  what is being discussed feels the need to chime in with
>  support for his buddy.  the more the merrier.  i just wish
>  you had provided ANYTHING comprehendible.
  
Hmmm...feeling a bit full of yourself.  That's ok....we expect that from 
lawyers.
  
>  > Frivolity?  Uh...actually...I'd say the tone of your
>  > posts (As I read them) seem to lean towards belligerent. 
>  
>  thank god we have you here to make sure sean doesn't get
>  hurt!  i think sean has demonstrated the ability to fend
>  for himself in the past.  why not let him?

Oh...he's doing just fine.  In fact...the more belligerant you act....the 
funnier it gets for the rest.
  
>  as for you, i have no idea who you are or what you think
>  you have brought to the table by jumping in.
  
Good point.  I'm a club racer.  That means I actually understand bikes, 
racing, and imagine this....humor.  Obviously you've missed the boat on all 3.
  
>  > Let me guess...sabers at dawn?
>  
>  lost again.

Why does this not surprise me.  For an 'educated lawyer'....you seem to be 
missing a few things.  
  
>  congrats, keener.  you just succeeded in (1) contributing
>  nothing to the discussion and (2) making sure it continues
>  (against the wishes of many, including myself).
  
I contributed exactly what I wanted too.  It wasn't what YOU wanted to hear.  
But I'm fine with that.

Keener  

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Geez, is the list now becoming the Brian Roach fan club???  Gag!!! %^) 
OK, I have to admit that Brian is a nice guy.  He transported my GSXR
to/from CSS@VIR last year.  And helped me make sure it was roadworthy to
ride home from his place afterwards (since I had lowsided it at CSS).

Chuck, aka Deerhunter

Mark Kitchell wrote:
> 
> I can vouch too......the man set me up with leathers
> and a place to call home for California Superbike
> School 2000 and 2001 at VIR.  Also, he is a nice gut
> (at least when he's got the right tires on his bike!!)

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In a message dated 6/11/01 8:37:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX 
writes:

>       I will only sign off on the above statement, if they're used in the
>  manner of motorcycle jousting.  Maybe we could set up a little cone
>  course in the MVA parking lot...
>       ;-)

I'm up for that.  Do we do it be bike size?  Rider size?  Or the size of 
their ego???  
:-))

Keener  

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> Maybe Gimer and Jordan are one and the same, and we're all really being had.

I doubt it.  Cause I'd pimp slap Jordan across the track if he annoyed me 
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Does anyone perform starter valve sync's as side work ?? I'm interested in
learning how to do it, but probably need instruction.  Or if someone does it
on the side for $$$ -- please mail me off-list.. I've noticed my 99 VFR is
taking 2-3 attempts at the starter to get her fired up.  Offlist replies
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Started thinking about what would happen in a
motorcycle vs. pedestrian accident after I went
around Washington Cir. near GW hospital this morning.
Pedestrian ran out from between two parked cars
almost into my front wheel.  Heavy swerve to avoid
running into the guy.  [he was nowhere near a cross
walk and I had a green light.]  Had the same thing 
almost happen in Georgetown last week.  Anyone
have any experience with the physics of 400+ lb.
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for conscience clearing confessions here, just some
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Nothing at all.  I just hadn't seen a post from you in a few minutes and I
knew you would respond.  :-)

--chris





Laura Granato <lgranato@XXXXXX> on 06/12/2001 10:27:13 AM





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>>>>It's better than...."gee I went racing and loved it" threads.

ummm, and what exactly is wrong with those???

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Assuming the m/c has any speed at all and using my one and only
experience with a deer, I am guessing that the result would be one dead
homo sapien and anywhere from light damage to a total write-off for the
m/c (largely depending on whether the m/c hits something else more
substantial after the human).

Chuck, aka Deerhunter

"Fisk, Euan" wrote <SNIP>:
> 
> almost happen in Georgetown last week.  Anyone
> have any experience with the physics of 400+ lb.
> motorbike+rider hitting >200 lb. human?  Not looking
> for conscience clearing confessions here, just some
> morbid curiosity as to what could happen sooner or later.

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What is WITH the idiots these days!?
I had a woman do that to me yesterday, too, in my
TRUCK.  I had to brake HARD and I laid on the horn. 
She looked in my direction like, "hmmm, oh well..." 
It didn't even PHASE her!!! WTF?

- Jeannette
  '86 VFR 700 F2
  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

--- "Fisk, Euan" <efisk@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Started thinking about what would happen in a
> motorcycle vs. pedestrian accident after I went
> around Washington Cir. near GW hospital this
> morning.
> Pedestrian ran out from between two parked cars
> almost into my front wheel.  Heavy swerve to avoid
> running into the guy.  [he was nowhere near a cross
> walk and I had a green light.]  Had the same thing 
> almost happen in Georgetown last week.  Anyone
> have any experience with the physics of 400+ lb.
> motorbike+rider hitting >200 lb. human?  Not looking
> for conscience clearing confessions here, just some
> morbid curiosity as to what could happen sooner or
> later.
> -Euan
>  whetu@XXXXXX
>  efisk@XXXXXX
> 


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--- SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote:
> > occasionally?  riiiiight.
> 
> Admittedly...he's over the top many times.  
>   
> >  i'm glad to see that someone who admittedly has no
> >  idea what is being discussed feels the need to chime
in
> >  with support for his buddy.  the more the merrier.  i 
> >  just wish you had provided ANYTHING comprehendible.
>   
> Hmmm...feeling a bit full of yourself.  That's ok....we
> expect that from lawyers.
>   
> >  > Frivolity?  Uh...actually...I'd say the tone of your
> >  > posts (As I read them) seem to lean towards
> >  > belligerent. 
> >  
> >  thank god we have you here to make sure sean doesn't
> >  get hurt!  i think sean has demonstrated the ability
to
> >  fend for himself in the past.  why not let him?
> 
> Oh...he's doing just fine.  In fact...the more
> belligerant you act....the funnier it gets for the rest.

i have yet to send a belligerent post.  you see, i'm
getting married on saturday, and i wouldn't want to take
any negative energy into that special day.  i'll be
belligerent when i return from the Carribean.



> >  as for you, i have no idea who you are or what you
> >  think you have brought to the table by jumping in.
>   
> Good point.  I'm a club racer.  That means I actually
> understand bikes, racing, and imagine this....humor.  
> Obviously you've missed the boat on all 3.

that makes perfect sense: as a club racer you understand
humor!  and i've OBVIOUSLY missed the boat on bikes, racing
and humor.  don't worry, there is no need to tell the crowd
why i've missed that boat or how i've demonstrated it. 
it's simply obvious!

i don't doubt that you understand racing and bikes.  there
probably are very few club racers who don't.  but, what the
hell that has to do with what you brought to this
particular discussion is beyond me.



> >  > Let me guess...sabers at dawn?
> >  
> >  lost again.
> 
> Why does this not surprise me.  For an 'educated
> lawyer'....you seem to be missing a few things.
>   
> >  congrats, keener.  you just succeeded in (1)
> >  contributing nothing to the discussion and (2) making 
> >  sure it continues (against the wishes of many, 
> >  including myself).
>   
> I contributed exactly what I wanted too.  It wasn't what
> YOU wanted to hear.  But I'm fine with that.

to each his own.  if it gets sean jordan's nose buried in
your ass for a couple weekends, good for you.  brian could
use the time off.



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> i have yet to send a belligerent post.  you see, i'm
>  getting married on saturday, and i wouldn't want to take
>  any negative energy into that special day.  i'll be
>  belligerent when i return from the Carribean.
  
Poor woman.  Relative of Hellen Keller?
  
>  that makes perfect sense: as a club racer you understand
>  humor!  and i've OBVIOUSLY missed the boat on bikes, racing
>  and humor.  don't worry, there is no need to tell the crowd
>  why i've missed that boat or how i've demonstrated it. 
>  it's simply obvious!

Yup.  I agree you are clueless.
  
>  i don't doubt that you understand racing and bikes.  there
>  probably are very few club racers who don't.  but, what the
>  hell that has to do with what you brought to this
>  particular discussion is beyond me.
  
Hmm...and here I thought this started over Sean's posting about racing.  
  
>  > I contributed exactly what I wanted too.  It wasn't what
>  > YOU wanted to hear.  But I'm fine with that.
>  
>  to each his own.  if it gets sean jordan's nose buried in
>  your ass for a couple weekends, good for you.  brian could
>  use the time off.

Uh...see line in sand...the one behind you.  Try not to be toooooo offensive 
in your egocentric replies.  

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>   you see, i'm
>getting married on saturday, and i wouldn't want to take
>any negative energy into that special day.  i'll be
>belligerent when i return from the Carribean.


I didn't know you were getting married!

Team Jordan Racing would like to dedicate this coming weekend's 
racing to the future Mr. and Mrs. Tom Gimer!

Mazel Tov!

Oh, yeah, Dick sends his best as well. :P

-- 
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the 
skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #230 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
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Chuck (aka Deerhunter), I think you can handle this question.  ;-)  After all, hitting a deer that jumps out in front of you is almost like hitting a human.  Roughly the same weight.  You, bike and victim would probably go splat.

Scooter

In a message dated Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:27:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Fisk, Euan" <efisk@XXXXXX> writes:

<< Started thinking about what would happen in a
motorcycle vs. pedestrian accident after I went
around Washington Cir. near GW hospital this morning.
Pedestrian ran out from between two parked cars
almost into my front wheel.  Heavy swerve to avoid
running into the guy.  [he was nowhere near a cross
walk and I had a green light.]  Had the same thing 
almost happen in Georgetown last week.  Anyone
have any experience with the physics of 400+ lb.
motorbike+rider hitting >200 lb. human?  Not looking
for conscience clearing confessions here, just some
morbid curiosity as to what could happen sooner or later.
-Euan
 whetu@XXXXXX
 efisk@XXXXXX

 >>



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In a message dated 6/12/01 12:32:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
ScooterFZR@XXXXXX writes:

> Chuck (aka Deerhunter), I think you can handle this question.  ;-)  After 
all,
>  hitting a deer that jumps out in front of you is almost like hitting a 
human.
>   Roughly the same weight.  You, bike and victim would probably go splat.

Depends on how fast, where on the deer you hit, and your luck.  They had an 
indicent about 4 years ago at Summit in practice.  Deer ran out...got hit by 
racer....and the rider didn't go down.  Deer was DOA.  Comes down to luck 
basically.  But I'd expect to be pavement surfing if it happened to me.

Keener

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--- SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote:
> 
> >  i have yet to send a belligerent post.  you see, i'm
> >  getting married on saturday, and i wouldn't want to
> >  take any negative energy into that special day.  i'll 
> >  be belligerent when i return from the Carribean.
>   
> Poor woman.  Relative of Hellen Keller?

sorry.  more like helen of troy.



> >  i don't doubt that you understand racing and bikes. 
> >  there probably are very few club racers who don't.  
> >  but, what the hell that has to do with what you 
> >  brought to this particular discussion is beyond me.
>   
> Hmm...and here I thought this started over Sean's posting
> about racing.

and you have provided SO MUCH insight during this thread
regarding that "death-defying" sport!  i'm sorry, but "i'm
a club racer" doesn't count for shit.  at the very least
you could have provided some mortality stats from summitt
point.  however, there was to be no valuable input from the
latest lurker to come out of the darkness.  pity.  :(



> >  > I contributed exactly what I wanted too.  It wasn't
> >  > what YOU wanted to hear.  But I'm fine with that.
> >  
> >  to each his own.  if it gets sean jordan's nose buried
> >  in your ass for a couple weekends, good for you. 
brian
> >  could use the time off.
> 
> Uh...see line in sand...the one behind you.  Try not to
> be toooooo offensive in your egocentric replies.

what line?  don't see one.  won't see one.

how very egocentric of me to point out that all we have
here is some guy who saw his friend getting razzed for
being full-of-it, then decided to "help out" by jumping in
with nothing to add.  i'm truly embarrassed by this display
of selfishness.

note: i am seriously fucking sick of dealing with this
stupid shit (as are others, including you?).  you and i
will of course have plenty of lovely, stimulating
discussions when i return from paradise.  until then,
please enjoy your race weekends.


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 > i have yet to send a belligerent post.  you see, i'm
 >  getting married on saturday, and i wouldn't want to take
 >  any negative energy into that special day.

Ummm, let's see (removing binary shoes from IT feet) -- that would give you
3.5 days left to resign from the bar. Assuming you've passed a bar exam,
that is.

>  i'll be belligerent when i return from the Carribean.

Oh, good. That makes it all the more likely you'll be terminated before you
breed.

-- Larry




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Well, I'm told I'll get my Falco back from Coleman / PowerRide
this Friday, after only two and a half months waiting for a new=20
radiator to arrive. Do any Aprilia owners know if this is the=20
norm for Aprilia parts? I'm pretty disgusted.

I see that Clinton Cycles is now an Aprilia dealership. Has=20
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From: Glenn Dysart <glenn_dysart@XXXXXX>
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Hmm Tom, all the lurkers are coming out of the wood
work...  who are these people we've never seen post???

Glenn

--- Dexter Medley <pltrgyst@XXXXXX> wrote:
>  > i have yet to send a belligerent post.  you see,
> i'm
>  >  getting married on saturday, and i wouldn't want
> to take
>  >  any negative energy into that special day.
> 
> Ummm, let's see (removing binary shoes from IT feet)
> -- that would give you
> 3.5 days left to resign from the bar. Assuming
> you've passed a bar exam,
> that is.
> 
> >  i'll be belligerent when i return from the
> Carribean.
> 
> Oh, good. That makes it all the more likely you'll
> be terminated before you
> breed.
> 
> -- Larry
> 
> 
> 


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I have only dealt with them on my Triumph. I guess
they are alright. John the service manager has always
been honest and willing to work with me on a lot of
things.

Trey
--- Dexter Medley <pltrgyst@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Well, I'm told I'll get my Falco back from Coleman /
> PowerRide
> this Friday, after only two and a half months
> waiting for a new 
> radiator to arrive. Do any Aprilia owners know if
> this is the 
> norm for Aprilia parts? I'm pretty disgusted.
> 
> I see that Clinton Cycles is now an Aprilia
> dealership. Has 
> anyone dealt with theie service department? Any 
> comparisons to Coleman / PowerRide?
> 
> Thanks -- Larry
> 
> 


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> sorry.  more like helen of troy.
  
1.  Great answer for a prospective husband....I'll steal that sometime.  
2.  Sure it wasn't Helen of Toy?  OK...I'll leave the inflatible jokes for 
another time.  
  
>  > Hmm...and here I thought this started over Sean's posting
>  > about racing.
>  
>  and you have provided SO MUCH insight during this thread
>  regarding that "death-defying" sport!  i'm sorry, but "i'm
>  a club racer" doesn't count for shit.  at the very least
>  you could have provided some mortality stats from summitt
>  point.  however, there was to be no valuable input from the
>  latest lurker to come out of the darkness.  pity.  :(
  
OK...since you asked.  I race in the Mid Atlantic region of the Championship 
Cup Series.  I am currently the #3 ranked expert for the region.  I also have 
AMA and FUSA pro licenses.  As for death defying....I never said that.  I 
race because I enjoy it....period.   Arethere better racers...sure...plenty 
of them  Are you a better rider....who knows.  Better yet...who cares?   
  
>  > Uh...see line in sand...the one behind you.  Try not to
>  > be toooooo offensive in your egocentric replies.
>  
>  what line?  don't see one.  won't see one.

Uh huh.  As per most e-mail hecklers....tis easy to speak and hide.  
  
>  how very egocentric of me to point out that all we have
>  here is some guy who saw his friend getting razzed for
>  being full-of-it, then decided to "help out" by jumping in
>  with nothing to add.  i'm truly embarrassed by this display
>  of selfishness.

I jumped in because you are full of yourself.  
  
>  note: i am seriously fucking sick of dealing with this
>  stupid shit (as are others, including you?).  you and i
>  will of course have plenty of lovely, stimulating
>  discussions when i return from paradise.  until then,
>  please enjoy your race weekends.

Please....play with sharks.    

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In a message dated 6/12/01 2:14:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
pltrgyst@XXXXXX writes:

> Well, I'm told I'll get my Falco back from Coleman / PowerRide
>  this Friday, after only two and a half months waiting for a new 
>  radiator to arrive. Do any Aprilia owners know if this is the 
>  norm for Aprilia parts? I'm pretty disgusted.

Can I ask what happened?  

Keener

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Chuck, since I was there, I can't speak for why people didn't show en masse,
but DC was a veritable ghost town this past weekend.  I've never seen it so
dead or traffic-free.  Everyone was at the beach or in the mountains I
guess.

You couldn't ask for a better parking set up, especially in DC, and we had
police presence for at least part of the evening.  Since it's about fifteen
blocks from my house I had no excuses for not showing up.  Thanks for
putting together another great Bike Night.  Not that I mind going to VA, but
it was nice having a Bike Night on my home turf.

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F
----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Pena <cvkgpena@XXXXXX>



> First, I want to thank everyone who came to Bike Night @ The Rock last
> Saturday.  <snip>

If it's not too much trouble, please let
> us know why you didn't come to Bike Night:
>
> 1.  Not in town that weekend (e.g., at the races, at the beach).
> 2.  Already busy with other social engagement(s) on Saturday night.
> 3.  The weather was so nice that I just kept riding and forgot all about
> Bike Night.
> 4.  Didn't want to come into DC.
> 5.  Other.
>
> Thanx!
>
> Chuck, aka Deerhunter



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--- Dexter Medley <pltrgyst@XXXXXX> wrote:
>  > i have yet to send a belligerent post.  you see, i'm
>  > getting married on saturday, and i wouldn't want to
>  > take any negative energy into that special day.
> 
> Ummm, let's see (removing binary shoes from IT feet) --
> that would give you 3.5 days left to resign from the bar.

> Assuming you've passed a bar exam, that is.

boy, the jordan-supporters certainly are a clever bunch.



> >  i'll be belligerent when i return from the Carribean.
> 
> Oh, good. That makes it all the more likely you'll be
> terminated before you breed.

i knew something was missing....it's always nice to hear
someone i've never met publicly wish for my death.

dexter/larry: motorcyclists in particular don't need the
additional negative karma (/fate) that you are bringing
upon yourself by such talk.  good luck to you.


--
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> boy, the jordan-supporters certainly are a clever bunch.

"Jordan supporter"? No, just a neutral reader who's never 
met anyone from dc-cycles. It's usually fun reading, but I'm 
not into gang mentality, and I do my racing on four wheels.

>i knew something was missing....it's always nice to hear
>someone i've never met publicly wish for my death.

Yours, in particular? Nah -- never met you, and you might 
be a perfectly nice guy away from a keyboard. Just in the 
Shakespearean sense, as in "kill all the lawyers", or Tom 
Paxton's song "10,000,000 lawyers and Other Natural 
Disasters". Actually, my best friend is an attorney, but he's
an environmental litigator and educator, generally benign. 
I try to overlook it.

>dexter/larry: motorcyclists in particular don't need the
>additional negative karma (/fate) that you are bringing
>upon yourself by such talk.  good luck to you.

Karma? Fate? Sorry, don't believe in either one.

As far as weddings go, I had one myself, a long time ago.
I think Dick Gregory had it right when he advised Sammy 
Davis on his conversion to Judaism: "Don't go. What you 
want to be segregated twice for?"

-- Larry
'01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco
'84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike)
'01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup 
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In a message dated 6/12/2001 11:27:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
efisk@XXXXXX writes:

> xperience with the physics of 400+ lb.
>  motorbike+rider hitting >200 lb. human?

I know a guy who once saw someone get his leg ripped off that way.

Big vs. Small = Small loses.

John Walters (Long John)
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Can I ask what happened?

------------------------------------

You can, but I'm not telling. It's too embarassing.

Sigh. The Aprilia is prone to false neutrals. You can see it coming, right?

I returned home about 8:30 one night, pulled next to my Miata, grabbed
neutral (light on), and started to dismount to open the garage door, without
the extra care I'd been taking at stoplights,etc.

False neutral, bike lurched about five feet. Took out three faring panels
and the right front turn signal, somehow holed the radiator (probably bashed
a corner), knocked the driver's side mirror off the car and scraped the
door, busted one panel on the garage door. Three disasters in one swell
foop. Luckily I didn't get hurt at all.

Thirty-five years of riding is no protection against one second of
carelessness. Kinda like the Texas armadillo: "75,000 years of evolution
made obsolete overnight by the invention of the Buick Roadmaster."

-- Larry
'01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco
'84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike)
'01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small
emergency backup bike)


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In a message dated 6/12/2001 11:50:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
gingerdc9@XXXXXX writes:

> I had a woman do that to me yesterday, too, in my
>  TRUCK. 

She takes her vitamins, eats low fat foods, and always obeys the law. Hell 
she is immortal.



John Walters (Long John)
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In a message dated 6/12/01 4:49:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
pltrgyst@XXXXXX writes:

> False neutral, bike lurched about five feet. Took out three faring panels
>  and the right front turn signal, somehow holed the radiator (probably 
bashed
>  a corner), knocked the driver's side mirror off the car and scraped the
>  door, busted one panel on the garage door. Three disasters in one swell
>  foop. Luckily I didn't get hurt at all.

I feel your pain.  I did something just as bad back in 1995 on my 3 week old 
GSXR750.  I forgot about the disc lock while starting out for work a bit 
late.  After nearly going over the bars...I had wrestling-fest tryign to keep 
it from falling on it's side....I lost.
  
>  Thirty-five years of riding is no protection against one second of
>  carelessness. Kinda like the Texas armadillo: "75,000 years of evolution
>  made obsolete overnight by the invention of the Buick Roadmaster."

Yup.  I gave up on disc locks....now I just keep the damn bikes in the garage.

Keener  

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--- SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote:
> 
> >  > Hmm...and here I thought this started over Sean's
> >  > posting about racing.
> >  
> >  and you have provided SO MUCH insight during this
> >  thread regarding that "death-defying" sport!  i'm 
> >  sorry, but "i'm a club racer" doesn't count for shit. 

> >  at the very least you could have provided some 
> >  mortality stats from summitt point.  however, there 
> >  was to be no valuable input from the latest lurker to 
> >  come out of the darkness.  pity.  :(
>   
> OK...since you asked.  I race in the Mid Atlantic region
> of the Championship Cup Series.  I am currently the #3 
> ranked expert for the region.  I also have AMA and FUSA 
> pro licenses.  As for death defying....I never said 
> that.  I race because I enjoy it....period.   Arethere 
> better racers...sure...plenty of them  Are you a better 
> rider....who knows.  Better yet...who cares?

at least now i know who i'm talking to.  impressive.

no, i am not a better rider.  but, i am a different type of
rider, so we are incomparable.  i choose to hang and
regularly explore with the best bunch of mofos around
(mid-atlantic, southeast, and sometimes midwest and far
north twisties).  for anyone who is interested, our group
site can be found at http://www.wsdymfg.com (i hope giving
the url out is ok, cj...it's for a good cause (to prove i'm
actually human and NOT sean jordan))



> >  > Uh...see line in sand...the one behind you.  Try not
> >  > to be toooooo offensive in your egocentric replies.
> >  
> >  what line?  don't see one.  won't see one.
> 
> Uh huh.  As per most e-mail hecklers....tis easy to speak
> and hide.  

i don't hide.  however, having various bar associations
looking over my shoulder means i also don't go searching
for the next skull to crack.....



> Please.......play with sharks.

i'm touched!  these are some of the kindest words i've
received today.



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> at least now i know who i'm talking to.  impressive.

Thanks.  Half is luck.  The other half is having better equipment.  I just 
get to ride in circles.  :)
  
>  no, i am not a better rider.  but, i am a different type of
>  rider, so we are incomparable.  i choose to hang and

Pretty much spot on.

>  regularly explore with the best bunch of mofos around
>  (mid-atlantic, southeast, and sometimes midwest and far
>  north twisties).  for anyone who is interested, our group
>  site can be found at http://www.wsdymfg.com (i hope giving
>  the url out is ok, cj...it's for a good cause (to prove i'm
>  actually human and NOT sean jordan))
  
I have problems really canyon bombing....not that I don't like to play 
somewhat.  It's just that my perceived riding limits are far higher than your 
average street rider.  (As would any roadracer's be....)  So I tend to be 
leery about riding in groups at a faster pace in the twisties.  I don't want 
a squid hitting me....nor would I like to see them try and emulate me and 
wreck.  
  
And proving Sean is human is at best difficult.  

>  > Uh huh.  As per most e-mail hecklers....tis easy to speak
>  > and hide.  
>  
>  i don't hide.  however, having various bar associations
>  looking over my shoulder means i also don't go searching
>  for the next skull to crack.....
  
And I do?  How do you know I'm not 5'2" and 125 lbs?  Would make sense with 
me being a roadracer huh?  I probably run and hide at the thought of a 
physical altercation.  Or maybe I don't.  Hmmmmmm.  :)  
  
>  > Please.......play with sharks.
>  
>  i'm touched!  these are some of the kindest words i've received today.
  
Unfortunately, since you are a lawyer....and in DC...that might actually be 
true.  

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This is good. I'm the quiet one now, Steve is the flamer, and Tom is 
flame returner. Let's see....ok, now it's Tom's turn to be quiet, 
I'll flame Steve, and he can shoot back!

Where's Jack and Squeekers?


-- 
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skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
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'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
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SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote:
> 
> And I do?  How do you know I'm not 5'2" and 125 lbs?  Would make sense with
> me being a roadracer huh?  I probably run and hide at the thought of a
> physical altercation.  Or maybe I don't.  Hmmmmmm.  :)

I hate to step in in the middle of a good argument, I enjoy the
flame wars as much as anyone, but the vision I just had of a 5'2" 
125 lb roadracer trying to run and hide from anything in a helmet
and full race leathers on just started me giggling like silly here
in the office.  Arms hanging uselessly, legs barely able to bend,
suit hanging down loose in the butt, bwWAHHAAAhaaHAHAAAA!!!  Stop
it, you are killing me (wipes tears from eyes...)  ow all my co-workers 
think I am weird.  Cut it out.  Please.  :)

Ok, back to the fireworks...

Horkster

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Number 2 - party with single women.

Larry Meyer

Chuck Pena wrote:

> First, I want to thank everyone who came to Bike Night @ The Rock last
> Saturday.  We had a great time sitting up on the roof enjoying the great
> weather and being able to look down on the parking lot with all the
> motorcycles.  It's too bad we couldn't get the racing videos up on the
> roof (WSB and 250/500 GP), but they played downstairs on the big
> screens.
>
> We had a decent size crowd, but not huge.  So I'm kind of curious as to
> why people weren't there.  It would help me and Mark to know for
> planning future Bike Nights.  If it's not too much trouble, please let
> us know why you didn't come to Bike Night:
>
> 1.  Not in town that weekend (e.g., at the races, at the beach).
> 2.  Already busy with other social engagement(s) on Saturday night.
> 3.  The weather was so nice that I just kept riding and forgot all about
> Bike Night.
> 4.  Didn't want to come into DC.
> 5.  Other.


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--- SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote:
<snip> 
 
> >  regularly explore with the best bunch of mofos
> around
> >  (mid-atlantic, southeast, and sometimes midwest
> and far
> >  north twisties).  for anyone who is interested,
> our group
> >  site can be found at http://www.wsdymfg.com (i
> hope giving
> >  the url out is ok, cj...it's for a good cause (to
> prove i'm
> >  actually human and NOT sean jordan))
>   
> I have problems really canyon bombing....not that I
> don't like to play 
> somewhat.  It's just that my perceived riding limits
> are far higher than your 
> average street rider.  (As would any roadracer's
> be....)  So I tend to be 
> leery about riding in groups at a faster pace in the
> twisties.  I don't want 
> a squid hitting me....nor would I like to see them
> try and emulate me and 
> wreck.  
>

We have real problems riding with squids too, thus the
reason we started our own group (and the reason you'll
probably never find me on a DCC ride).  We had enough
of the "public invite rides" like the ones on this
list, people showing up in shorts and T-shirts or
otherwise underdressed, trying to pass you on the
inside of a curve, and just generally no respect for
our fellow riders.  We all know how we ride and don't
put up with BS riding styles.
   
Glenn

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At 06:27 PM 6/12/01, Glenn Dysart wrote:

>We have real problems riding with squids too, thus the
>reason we started our own group (and the reason you'll
>probably never find me on a DCC ride).  We had enough
>of the "public invite rides" like the ones on this
>list, people showing up in shorts and T-shirts or
>otherwise underdressed, ...


You mean like in http://www.wsdymfg.com/images/glenn1.jpg
and http://www.wsdymfg.com/images/glenn2.jpg ? 8;)

-- Larry





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Sean is a good kid and not a bad novice racer.  His dad is also a good guy 
and he takes after him. (His dad's bike is bigger than a car with all the 
storage stuff, but I'll forgive him.)Tim is a very good street rider, I think 
I rode with him (and his mates) a few years ago and found him the best guy to 
follow on roads he knew and I didn't.   

But I have to say that the only messages I have been reading are those in 
this thread, quite fun actually.  Now we have AMA Pros joining the fray, what 
a flame fest!!

Ciao,

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Glenn,

I think most of us have problems riding with squids.  WSDYMFG does not
have a monopoly on aversion to squids.  And quite frankly, I resent the
implication that everyone on DCC or every DCC ride is a squid ride. 
WSDYMFGs Todd P. and Craig J. have come out on DCC rides I've led.  I've
not ridden with, but know and respect Zbig.  One was fun and
uneventful.  Another was not so much fun and, unfortunately, had a
couple of crashes.  But shit happens on a group ride, especially when a
large number of people show up.  I've ridden with people I know and
trust and had them crash.  I've ridden with people I don't know and had
them crash.  Hell, I've crashed!  But my experience is that I've never
been on a DCC ride where someone is "underdressed" or has ridden
completely stupid.  Maybe in the "old days" (before I joined the list,
which was only last year), but not during my short time.  So while you
may have -- in the past -- had problems with DCC rides (and Todd P. has
told me about these), please don't make statements that could be
interpreted to be blanket statements about ALL DCC rides, especially
those that are more recent.  At least I know I do my best to make sure
that people are properly dressed, know the "ride rules", don't ride
stupidly or dangerously, and ride within their limits when I offer to
lead a DCC group ride.  And like the WSDYMGs, when I'm going to go out
for some "serious fun" in the twisties, I generally just ride with
people I know and trust.

Chuck

Glenn Dysart wrote:
> 
> We have real problems riding with squids too, thus the
> reason we started our own group (and the reason you'll
> probably never find me on a DCC ride).  We had enough
> of the "public invite rides" like the ones on this
> list, people showing up in shorts and T-shirts or
> otherwise underdressed, trying to pass you on the
> inside of a curve, and just generally no respect for
> our fellow riders.  We all know how we ride and don't
> put up with BS riding styles.

-- 
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Okay, got the titles to the two bikes and looked up the values in
Motorcycle Consumer News Spring bike guide.

The `95 Yamaha Virago 750 is listed at $3405.
This one is in good shape, a few scratchs, could use fluid and filter
change in my opinion after taste-testing the oil.  *bleh*  7K + miles.
Good tires.  Took her for a test ride.  Nice cruiser, got me thru the
DMV twisty cones back in `97  when I allowed my M endorsement to lapse
and had to take the dern test.

 The Kawi 600 Eliminator is listed at $3700.
I've topped off the coolent ($10 a quart!!!) and oil, but have yet to
test ride.  Paint is rough, tail cone and front fender need help. 16K +
miles.  Good tires.

The bikes are located in my garage and can be viewed most any evening.
The above prices are suggested by MCN and negotiable.  I wouldn't sell
the Kawi for $3700 with bad paint - not and sleep at night.  ho phone
(703) 256-3115.

They're shafties, Dale !

Did I mention the lo-seat hieght for the vertically challanged?

Bill




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please don't make statements that could be
> interpreted to be blanket statements about ALL DCC rides, especially
> those that are more recent.

I absolutely agree! My slow rides, of which I had four of them, some having
almost 50 people at them, did not have a single squid in the bunch.  They
were great rides that people enjoyed a lot.  Over time, things change, and
DCC rides definitely have, because I, too, have heard about past ones.
Those that Chuck and I have organized have been good rides, and just because
people crash, doesn't make them a squid...some people just make mistakes.

Laura


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Chuck Pena wrote:
> 
> Glenn,
> 
> I think most of us have problems riding with squids.  WSDYMFG does not
> have a monopoly on aversion to squids.  And quite frankly, I resent the
> implication that everyone on DCC or every DCC ride is a squid ride.

Thanks, Chuck.  You took the words right out of my mouth.  I was sitting
down to write a very similar piece.  I take exception to the insinuation
that everyone is an idiot or a squid until proven otherwise.  I too
usually ride with a small cadre of people, but I went on one of Laura's
relaxed rides and found it very enjoyable.  If anyone was squidly or
under-dressed it certainly escaped my attention.  

Unfortunately this thread seems to a recurring theme, along with the
inevitable "I told you so" post when someone does go down on a group
ride.  

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F


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Got my first parking ticket today.  I park over by Old Ebbitt Grill at =
15th and G St. NW.  However, today I was a little late getting there, =
and usually about 4-5 more bikes spill out of the designated area =
between the signs.  So I didn't think it would be a big deal to park =
with those bikes.  When I got off work, all the overflow bikes were gone =
but there was a ticket on the seat.  I am sure the others got tickets =
too, since the infraction occurred at 2pm.

Anybody else ever get a ticket there?

What will happen if I don't pay the $50?  I have TX plates and I haven't =
even traded in my TX driver's license yet.  Will they throw me in =
parking fine jail when I finally go to get my registration?  (I don't =
exist over here yet!)

Cliff
'93 CB750

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Sean aka Yanker, aka Gimer and who knows who else at this point
contributed:

This is good. I'm the quiet one now

		WHOA.  There's a turnabout ;-)

, Steve is the flamer, and Tom is
flame returner. Let's see....ok, now it's Tom's turn to be quiet,
I'll flame Steve, and he can shoot back!

		No.  PLEASE.  Make it stop.



Where's Jack and Squeekers?


		Anker, you got a l o n g  way to go to measure up to squeakers !

		Now, how's  about a less controversial topic...  countersteering
anyone?




Dave Yates
'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
'97 Cobra #5148
http://www.radix.net/~sdave/




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Got my first parking ticket today.  I park over by Old Ebbitt Grill at
15th and G St. NW.  However, today I was a little late getting there,
and usually about 4-5 more bikes spill out of the designated area
between the signs.  So I didn't think it would be a big deal to park
with those bikes.  When I got off work, all the overflow bikes were gone
but there was a ticket on the seat.  I am sure the others got tickets
too, since the infraction occurred at 2pm.

Anybody else ever get a ticket there?


                        FreakinM-^R DC.  They canM-^Rt solve 75% of the
homicides, but they get 90% of the parking violationsM-^E

As for your dilemma.  IM-^Rve *heard* that there are many out there with
multiple unpaid DC parking infractions from out of state.  IM-^Rve also
heard that after 3 you get the boot (not sure what they do to bikes).  I
M-^Rve similarly heard that since the meter maids generally arenM-^Rt
concerned about anything but fulfilling their quota, your tags almost
never get run.  It USED to be by vehicle so that if your car was
ticketed several times, you could simply drive another vehicle and not
worry, but that was a while ago. If youM-^Rre planning on registering in
DC, youM-^Rre going to have to ante up or theyM-^Rll withhold your
registration(s).





Dave Yates
'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
'97 Cobra #5148
http://www.radix.net/~sdave/



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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Got my
first parking ticket today.&nbsp; I park over by Old Ebbitt Grill at =
15th and G
St. NW.&nbsp; However, today I was a little late getting there, and =
usually
about 4-5 more bikes spill out of the designated area between the =
signs.&nbsp;
So I didn't think it would be a big deal to park with those bikes.&nbsp; =
When I
got off work, all the overflow bikes were gone but there was a ticket on =
the
seat.&nbsp;&nbsp;I am sure&nbsp;the others&nbsp;got tickets too, since =
the
infraction occurred at 2pm.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font><=
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color=3Dblack
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Anybody
else ever get a ticket there?</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
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there with
multiple unpaid DC parking infractions from out of state.<span
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span>I&#8217;ve also heard that =
after 3 you get
the boot (not sure what they do to bikes).<span style=3D"mso-spacerun:
yes">&nbsp; </span>I&#8217;ve similarly heard that since the meter maids =
generally
aren&#8217;t concerned about anything but fulfilling their quota, your =
tags almost
never get run.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span>It USED to =
be by
vehicle so that if your car was ticketed several times, you could simply =
drive
another vehicle and not worry, but that was a while ago. If you&#8217;re =
planning on
registering in DC, you&#8217;re going to have to ante up or =
they&#8217;ll withhold your
registration(s). <span style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
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I'll be registering in VA.  I paid the great state of Texas registration =
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I'll be registering in VA.  I paid the great state of Texas registration
fees all the way up to January, and I'll be damned if I am going to get
screwed by 2 states at once.  I plan on sticking to my TX
plates/license/guns as long as they'll let me.


                        I donM-^Rt know how fancy DC is now about
collecting.  People used to scoff at dc parking tickets with impunity.
Like I said.  IM-^Rve heard itM-^Rs possible to not pay M-^E  I guess it depends
on how much in town driving you plan on doingM-^E




Dave Yates
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From: Glenn Dysart <glenn_dysart@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news!
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Well Larry since you bring up that picture, it was in
front of the person's house we were working on the
bike... since it was in bad running order.  As anyone
who's been on this this list long enough (not you of
course) who's ridin with me, I don't go on group rides
like that...

Glenn


--- Larry Larson <llarson@XXXXXX> wrote:
> At 06:27 PM 6/12/01, Glenn Dysart wrote:
> 
> >We have real problems riding with squids too, thus
> the
> >reason we started our own group (and the reason
> you'll
> >probably never find me on a DCC ride).  We had
> enough
> >of the "public invite rides" like the ones on this
> >list, people showing up in shorts and T-shirts or
> >otherwise underdressed, ...
> 
> 
> You mean like in
> http://www.wsdymfg.com/images/glenn1.jpg
> and http://www.wsdymfg.com/images/glenn2.jpg ? 8;)
> 
> -- Larry
> 
> 
> 
> 


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>>I'm rather sunburned to a crisp but I just finished
up my first ever 
>>Cycle Sport Track Day. I spectated the event last
September and promised 
>>myself to attend this time around.


Ahh man! I knew I should have called in sick that day!
:)

Anyone going to be at any of the July NESBA track days
@ VIR? 

-jeff

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I guess you right Chuck that not all DCC rides have
crashes, seems the ones you have taken people on have
been pretty successful but for a while there it was at
least one crash per ride if not more.  In other words,
the odds are not good for the age of the list per
rides.  Its the typical attitude of "I'm not a slow
rider so I must get in the fast group" mentality I
have a problem with.  Again, not that everyone on the
list has it, but over the years I've been on this this
I've seen happen more times then I have fingers or
toes to count.

Glenn


--- Chuck Pena <cvkgpena@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Glenn,
> 
> I think most of us have problems riding with squids.
>  WSDYMFG does not
> have a monopoly on aversion to squids.  And quite
> frankly, I resent the
> implication that everyone on DCC or every DCC ride
> is a squid ride. 
> WSDYMFGs Todd P. and Craig J. have come out on DCC
> rides I've led.  I've
> not ridden with, but know and respect Zbig.  One was
> fun and
> uneventful.  Another was not so much fun and,
> unfortunately, had a
> couple of crashes.  But shit happens on a group
> ride, especially when a
> large number of people show up.  I've ridden with
> people I know and
> trust and had them crash.  I've ridden with people I
> don't know and had
> them crash.  Hell, I've crashed!  But my experience
> is that I've never
> been on a DCC ride where someone is "underdressed"
> or has ridden
> completely stupid.  Maybe in the "old days" (before
> I joined the list,
> which was only last year), but not during my short
> time.  So while you
> may have -- in the past -- had problems with DCC
> rides (and Todd P. has
> told me about these), please don't make statements
> that could be
> interpreted to be blanket statements about ALL DCC
> rides, especially
> those that are more recent.  At least I know I do my
> best to make sure
> that people are properly dressed, know the "ride
> rules", don't ride
> stupidly or dangerously, and ride within their
> limits when I offer to
> lead a DCC group ride.  And like the WSDYMGs, when
> I'm going to go out
> for some "serious fun" in the twisties, I generally
> just ride with
> people I know and trust.


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So hopefully you know the deal the "deal" with DC
tickets, right?  Meaning, never pay them!  After you
get the third get new license plates and you'll never
be on their "hot list" for boots. So how do they boot
a motorcycle anyway, do they just tow it?

Glenn

--- Dave Yates <sdave@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Got my first parking ticket today.  I park over by
> Old Ebbitt Grill at
> 15th and G St. NW.  However, today I was a little
> late getting there,
> and usually about 4-5 more bikes spill out of the
> designated area
> between the signs.  So I didn't think it would be a
> big deal to park
> with those bikes.  When I got off work, all the
> overflow bikes were gone
> but there was a ticket on the seat.  I am sure the
> others got tickets
> too, since the infraction occurred at 2pm.
> 
> Anybody else ever get a ticket there?
> 
> 
>                         FreakinM-^R DC.  They canM-^Rt
> solve 75% of the
> homicides, but they get 90% of the parking
> violationsM-^E
> 
> As for your dilemma.  IM-^Rve *heard* that there are
> many out there with
> multiple unpaid DC parking infractions from out of
> state.  IM-^Rve also
> heard that after 3 you get the boot (not sure what
> they do to bikes).  I
> M-^Rve similarly heard that since the meter maids
> generally arenM-^Rt
> concerned about anything but fulfilling their quota,
> your tags almost
> never get run.  It USED to be by vehicle so that if
> your car was
> ticketed several times, you could simply drive
> another vehicle and not
> worry, but that was a while ago. If youM-^Rre planning
> on registering in
> DC, youM-^Rre going to have to ante up or theyM-^Rll
> withhold your
> registration(s).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dave Yates
> '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
> '97 Cobra #5148
> http://www.radix.net/~sdave/
> 
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S'ok by me, Glenn -- note the smiley in my post. It
looked like an older picture on an older naked bike
than the other pix.

Truth told, when it's oppressively hot, I ride my
little 2+ mile commute from Old Town Alexandria
to Crystal City in work clothes, pull-on boots,
helmet, and gloves only.

-- Larry

At 11:15 PM 6/12/01, you wrote:
>Well Larry since you bring up that picture, it was in
>front of the person's house we were working on the
>bike... since it was in bad running order.  As anyone
>who's been on this this list long enough (not you of
>course) who's ridin with me, I don't go on group rides
>like that...
>
>Glenn
>
>
>--- Larry Larson <llarson@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > At 06:27 PM 6/12/01, Glenn Dysart wrote:
> >
> > >We have real problems riding with squids too, thus
> > the
> > >reason we started our own group (and the reason
> > you'll
> > >probably never find me on a DCC ride).  We had
> > enough
> > >of the "public invite rides" like the ones on this
> > >list, people showing up in shorts and T-shirts or
> > >otherwise underdressed, ...
> >
> >
> > You mean like in
> > http://www.wsdymfg.com/images/glenn1.jpg
> > and http://www.wsdymfg.com/images/glenn2.jpg ? 8;)
> >
> > -- Larry
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Laura, I have no problem with people making mistakes,
hell people do that every day.  Its the ones that
can't accept the fact they are new to the sport or who
have never ridden in a fast pace on the street and
insist on having to ride with a fast group (when the
ride splits into several groups) and then they get in
over there head that I have a problem with.  If I
remember correctly most of your rides were intended as
"easy going" so no problems should have been
encountered as you didn't have a fast group.

Maybe things have changed, when was the last time DCC
even did a ride though?  Maybe I'm just spoiled
because I ride with a group of people who I am similar
with, don't mind doing 500 or 600 miles days, are more
into exploration then sitting around at a race track
all day (not that sitting around at a race track is a
bad thing, its just not the way I want to spend my
weekends) and don't have to worry any of them doing
crazy stunts when I'm trying to have a good time...

I guess what I'm trying to say is that anytime you
invite the public (or people you've never ridden with)
you never know what your getting yourself into.  Sure
you could have a great time with people you've never
met and have a great ride, but in my experience those
rides don't always lead to fun, they have led to get
offs more times then not.  I'll spend my time meeting
new riders at the bike nights where there is no
pressure.  I didn't make the one last weekend but I
did make the Carpool one and plan to make others.

Glenn
--- Laura Granato <lgranato@XXXXXX> wrote:
> please don't make statements that could be
> > interpreted to be blanket statements about ALL DCC
> rides, especially
> > those that are more recent.
> 
> I absolutely agree! My slow rides, of which I had
> four of them, some having
> almost 50 people at them, did not have a single
> squid in the bunch.  They
> were great rides that people enjoyed a lot.  Over
> time, things change, and
> DCC rides definitely have, because I, too, have
> heard about past ones.
> Those that Chuck and I have organized have been good
> rides, and just because
> people crash, doesn't make them a squid...some
> people just make mistakes.
> 
> Laura
> 


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Sure, I understand.  I made my mistakes in the dirt
when I was about 14.  Burned my leg pretty good on the
exhaust of an 1974 XL250 as I didn't want to let the
bike fall in the mud since it belonged to a friend of
mine!  When I first started street riding I only had
some hightop shoes, jeans and a leather jacket.  At 18
it was tough to afford full gear on that part time
salary.  Now that I have good gear, I feel naked even
riding riding up to the gas station less then 1/2 mile
away! 

To be honest with you, the pic you saw was at Todd's
house not too long ago when we were trying to fix the
carbs on the ex-Horkster KZ400 which my girlfriend now
owns as it was her first bike.  I might add it runs
like a top now and might be up for sale if friends
keep backing out.

I do see your point though that riding two miles in
town at a leisurely pace its hard to put all that gear
on.  I guess for me I wouldn't bother braking out the
bike for only two miles as that would be a tease for
me.

Glenn

--- Larry Larson <llarson@XXXXXX> wrote:
> S'ok by me, Glenn -- note the smiley in my post. It
> looked like an older picture on an older naked bike
> than the other pix.
> 
> Truth told, when it's oppressively hot, I ride my
> little 2+ mile commute from Old Town Alexandria
> to Crystal City in work clothes, pull-on boots,
> helmet, and gloves only.
> 
> -- Larry
> 
> At 11:15 PM 6/12/01, you wrote:
> >Well Larry since you bring up that picture, it was
> in
> >front of the person's house we were working on the
> >bike... since it was in bad running order.  As
> anyone
> >who's been on this this list long enough (not you
> of
> >course) who's ridin with me, I don't go on group
> rides
> >like that...
> >
> >Glenn
> >
> >
> >--- Larry Larson <llarson@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > > At 06:27 PM 6/12/01, Glenn Dysart wrote:
> > >
> > > >We have real problems riding with squids too,
> thus
> > > the
> > > >reason we started our own group (and the reason
> > > you'll
> > > >probably never find me on a DCC ride).  We had
> > > enough
> > > >of the "public invite rides" like the ones on
> this
> > > >list, people showing up in shorts and T-shirts
> or
> > > >otherwise underdressed, ...
> > >
> > >
> > > You mean like in
> > > http://www.wsdymfg.com/images/glenn1.jpg
> > > and http://www.wsdymfg.com/images/glenn2.jpg ?
> 8;)
> > >
> > > -- Larry
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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So hopefully you know the deal the "deal" with DC
tickets, right?

		Nope.  I've only *heard* it was that way.

  Meaning, never pay them!  After you
get the third get new license plates and you'll never
be on their "hot list" for boots. So how do they boot
a motorcycle anyway, do they just tow it?

		GFQ.  



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*snip
>Got my first parking ticket today.  I park over by Old Ebbitt Grill

Cliff, I also park there at 15th and G st, and I also did get a ticket 
yesterday.  I am not sure what is going on, but what I do know is that I 
plan on getting here earlier to make sure that I get a spot, and if not I am 
going to try and park over at McPherson park (15th and I st NW) there is 
similar parking over there.  If that is also filled I'm heading to a garage, 
it's simply not worth the $50 risk.

FYI:
I also saw that on the news this morning that DC is now allowing people to 
pay back tickets with no penalties up through some time in October, if I 
remember correctly (not that people seem to want to pay their parking 
tickets anyway).  But the catch is that the ticket has to be prior to some 
time around 1997.

Mike
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I love it!

You two guys going at each other has been highly entertaining (at least for 
me), and I thank you both.

IMO this list needs a good shit-stir every now and then.  It has been 
fascinating to see all the woodwork shake loose in the past few days as 
well.

Someone was complaining that they are on digest and had to sift through all 
the flames or just toss it.  I find I'm tossing the digest more often for 
the opposite reason.  Aack, ptooey on any more stinking tire/oil/best this 
or that thread.

Here's an excellent website that was posted to this list originally by Hugh 
Caldwell.  It is quite appropriate now don't you think?

http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html

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I am amazed.  My visit to the DMV at Shirlington was totally painless
and rather swift.  I had to obtain 6, yes SIX duplicate titles for a
variety of vehicles owned by my late friend.  I was expecting a major
PITA.  But I filled out the short forms and showed the lady my papers
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VA DMV - five star rating

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Forgive me if this question is out of line, but I am brand new to the DCC
List (Been lurking for a couple days) and new to Motorcycling in general. I
have owned my first bike for exactly 1 week today so please bare with me.

What is a Squid?

Pete Wimer
'01 Suzuki Savage
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-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: Team Jordan Racing in the news!


Glenn,

I think most of us have problems riding with squids.  WSDYMFG does not
have a monopoly on aversion to squids.  And quite frankly, I resent the
implication that everyone on DCC or every DCC ride is a squid ride. 
WSDYMFGs Todd P. and Craig J. have come out on DCC rides I've led.  I've
not ridden with, but know and respect Zbig.  One was fun and
uneventful.  Another was not so much fun and, unfortunately, had a
couple of crashes.  But shit happens on a group ride, especially when a
large number of people show up.  I've ridden with people I know and
trust and had them crash.  I've ridden with people I don't know and had
them crash.  Hell, I've crashed!  But my experience is that I've never
been on a DCC ride where someone is "underdressed" or has ridden
completely stupid.  Maybe in the "old days" (before I joined the list,
which was only last year), but not during my short time.  So while you
may have -- in the past -- had problems with DCC rides (and Todd P. has
told me about these), please don't make statements that could be
interpreted to be blanket statements about ALL DCC rides, especially
those that are more recent.  At least I know I do my best to make sure
that people are properly dressed, know the "ride rules", don't ride
stupidly or dangerously, and ride within their limits when I offer to
lead a DCC group ride.  And like the WSDYMGs, when I'm going to go out
for some "serious fun" in the twisties, I generally just ride with
people I know and trust.

Chuck

Glenn Dysart wrote:
> 
> We have real problems riding with squids too, thus the
> reason we started our own group (and the reason you'll
> probably never find me on a DCC ride).  We had enough
> of the "public invite rides" like the ones on this
> list, people showing up in shorts and T-shirts or
> otherwise underdressed, trying to pass you on the
> inside of a curve, and just generally no respect for
> our fellow riders.  We all know how we ride and don't
> put up with BS riding styles.

-- 
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>   Meaning, never pay them!  After you
> get the third get new license plates and you'll never
> be on their "hot list" for boots. So how do they boot
> a motorcycle anyway, do they just tow it?

At GWU, they used something that looked like a large, bright yellow Kryptonite
lock through the wheels.  The bike wasn't going anywhere. 

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This is like deja vu all over again -- didn't we discuss this a couple years
ago?

Anyway, the GWU MC parking lot (I used to park there, too) was policed by GW
authorities, not the city.  One would think that any old disk lock would be
enough to disable a motorcycle, no?  I guess we shouldn't give the parking
police any ideas . . . 

Erik

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>   Meaning, never pay them!  After you
> get the third get new license plates and you'll never
> be on their "hot list" for boots. So how do they boot
> a motorcycle anyway, do they just tow it?

At GWU, they used something that looked like a large, bright yellow
Kryptonite
lock through the wheels.  The bike wasn't going anywhere. 

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--- eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote:
> This is like deja vu all over again -- didn't we discuss this a couple years
> ago?

True, but most of the threads that pop up on DC-Cycles are recycled.  According
to my calendar, next week someone is supposed to ask about dino vs. synthetic
oil.  July we start talking about side stands sinking into hot asphalt,
although with the 90 degree temps, that may be moved up.
 
> Anyway, the GWU MC parking lot (I used to park there, too) was policed by GW
> authorities, not the city.  One would think that any old disk lock would be
> enough to disable a motorcycle, no?  I guess we shouldn't give the parking
> police any ideas . . . 

True, I was just trying to point out that it doesn't take much to boot a bike. 
Heck, two feet of chain and a padlock will do the trick.  If the parking police
are reading this though, then everything I just said was a joke, it's
impossible to boot a bike.  Sorry.  ;-)

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>What is a Squid?

Hi Pete,

Welcome to the list and motorcycling in general.

The generally accepted definition is that squid is a bastardization of 
"squirrelly kid"; i.e. a person who rides with little or no discipline.

They also tend to ride like calamari swim - fast in straight lines, but 
almost no cornering capability.

The mode of dress can also be an indicator - t-shirt, cutoffs, sneakers (or 
flip-flops) and a $500 repli-racer helmet are fairly good indicators.

Generally, someone who acts irresponsibly on a motorcycle - almost always a 
sport bike, sometimes a standard, and almost never a cruiser.

On your Savage, you're safe from the appelation, although I've seen some very 
nice cafe racers based on the Savage...

Michael J.

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That amnesty program is for minor moving violations only.  The logic of that
escapes me.  Whatever.  Bottom line is that there's $45 million in unpaid
tickets outstanding and they're trying to recover part of it.

Here's the deal on the tickets.  If you're have a non-DC registration
basically they can't touch you unless your vehicle is physically in DC.  If
it's in the city and they spot your vehicle, they can boot and tow.  If it's
in VA, MD, etc., there's nothing they can do.

Different story if your vehicles are registered in DC.  Eventually any
transactions through DMV (license and registration renewals, parking
stickers, inspections, etc.) will be blocked until you pay up.


Paul in DC
95 VFR750F
http://users.erols.com/pawilson
----- Original Message -----
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>
> FYI:
> I also saw that on the news this morning that DC is now allowing people to
> pay back tickets with no penalties up through some time in October, if I
> remember correctly (not that people seem to want to pay their parking
> tickets anyway).  But the catch is that the ticket has to be prior to some
> time around 1997.
>
> Mike
> 2000 Bandit 600



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This is AWESOME!!  I can think of examples of every one of 'em on this
list!!

Thanks Todd-Ennui

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I love it!

You two guys going at each other has been highly entertaining (at least for 
me), and I thank you both.

IMO this list needs a good shit-stir every now and then.  It has been 
fascinating to see all the woodwork shake loose in the past few days as 
well.

Someone was complaining that they are on digest and had to sift through all 
the flames or just toss it.  I find I'm tossing the digest more often for 
the opposite reason.  Aack, ptooey on any more stinking tire/oil/best this 
or that thread.

Here's an excellent website that was posted to this list originally by Hugh 
Caldwell.  It is quite appropriate now don't you think?

http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html

Todd (Springfield, VA)

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DC does have some recourse if you are out of town. 
They send these official looking collection notices. 
I am not sure if they really are collection notices or
not, or if failure to pay goes on your credit record. 
I simply ignore them, as the car is long gone.


Mark

--- Paul Wilson <pawilson@XXXXXX> wrote:
> That amnesty program is for minor moving violations
> only.  The logic of that
> escapes me.  Whatever.  Bottom line is that there's
> $45 million in unpaid
> tickets outstanding and they're trying to recover
> part of it.
> 
> Here's the deal on the tickets.  If you're have a
> non-DC registration
> basically they can't touch you unless your vehicle
> is physically in DC.  If
> it's in the city and they spot your vehicle, they
> can boot and tow.  If it's
> in VA, MD, etc., there's nothing they can do.
> 
> Different story if your vehicles are registered in
> DC.  Eventually any
> transactions through DMV (license and registration
> renewals, parking
> stickers, inspections, etc.) will be blocked until
> you pay up.
> 
> 
> Paul in DC
> 95 VFR750F
> http://users.erols.com/pawilson
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: michael brocchi <mbrocchi@XXXXXX>
> >
> > FYI:
> > I also saw that on the news this morning that DC
> is now allowing people to
> > pay back tickets with no penalties up through some
> time in October, if I
> > remember correctly (not that people seem to want
> to pay their parking
> > tickets anyway).  But the catch is that the ticket
> has to be prior to some
> > time around 1997.
> >
> > Mike
> > 2000 Bandit 600
> 
> 


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> Forgive me if this question is out of line, but I am brand new to the DCC
> List (Been lurking for a couple days) and new to Motorcycling in general.
I
> have owned my first bike for exactly 1 week today so please bare with me.

Pete

First things first...welcome to motorcycling and to DCC...hope you enjoy
your stay.  Second, EVERY QUESTION IS OUT OF LINE!!!  (requisite flame,
sorry)

> What is a Squid?

Squid: skw - id (n.)

1) Any of various marine cephalopod mollusks of the genus Loligo and related
genera, having a usually elongated body, ten arms surrounding the mouth, a
vestigial internal shell, and a pair of triangular or rounded fins.

2) A bipedal mammal (generally human), found on or off a motorcycle, though
always in close proximity to, or talking about said motorcycle.  Motorcycle
is most commonly of the supersport (600 cc sportbike) class, though there
has been a rash of squidious beemerfile recently [2 spotted in the last
week! what's up with that?].  Motorcycle usually has scratches and damage
associated with it's squid operator.  Generally has little training in, or
knowlege of operation of motorcycle.  OTS (open throttle syndrome) is common
among squids, often resulting in Wheelious Maximus or Tire Burnitis.  High
speeds are common in straight lines, though the ability to turn often does
not develop until very late into a squids life (if at all).  Squids tend to
lack a gene necessary for self preservation.  This makes the common squid
easy to spot.  Experienced squid watchers will tell you that the t-shirt and
shorts, often accompanied by sneakers (though flip flops are not uncommon),
is the most common covering.  Oddly though, squids will spend excessive
amounts of money on head coverings that emulate the rarer and much more
elusive Professional Racer.  This may be a camouflage technique, though it
is not an effective one.  WARNING: squids are dangerous creatures.  Riding
is unsafe, and they posses little regard for their safety or the safety of
others.  Many consider themselves to be invincible.  Crashing of the lowside
variety is a common occurrence, and they can take out other riders as well.
Advise observation from a safe distance.  Temporary Squidishness has also
been found to be highly contagious, especially among young male riders.
Life expectancy of the common squid is quite short.




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Never a cruiser?  So what word is used for the types that

1.  Begin midlife crisis
2.  Buy coolest-looking cruiser they can afford, esp. hardley
3.  Grow facial hair to extent permitted by employer (including women)
4.  Purchase as much leather as possible without succumbing to actual
protection, i.e. chaps, vest, tassels
5.  Purchase beanie helmet in states w/ helmet laws; scoff at helmets
altogether in non-law states
6.  Park bike at local hangout, stand next to it in order to be seen lots
7.  Get drunk
8.  Crash trying to get home

Matt L'enfant Provocateur 



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 8:58 AM
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
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>What is a Squid?

Hi Pete,

Welcome to the list and motorcycling in general.

The generally accepted definition is that squid is a bastardization of 
"squirrelly kid"; i.e. a person who rides with little or no discipline.

They also tend to ride like calamari swim - fast in straight lines, but 
almost no cornering capability.

The mode of dress can also be an indicator - t-shirt, cutoffs, sneakers (or 
flip-flops) and a $500 repli-racer helmet are fairly good indicators.

Generally, someone who acts irresponsibly on a motorcycle - almost always a 
sport bike, sometimes a standard, and almost never a cruiser.

On your Savage, you're safe from the appelation, although I've seen some
very 
nice cafe racers based on the Savage...

Michael J.

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From: "Fisk, Euan" <efisk@XXXXXX>
To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Bike vs. Pedestrian accidents?
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:25:43 -0400

Started thinking about what would happen in a
Started thinking about what would happen in a
motorcycle vs. pedestrian accident after I went
around Washington Cir. near GW hospital this morning.
Pedestrian ran out from between two parked cars
almost into my front wheel.  Heavy swerve to avoid
<snip>

Co-workers sister was hit by a motorcycle.  I don't know the full details
except that her leg was torn up and broken.  I do know that she is both
deaf and mute.  Might not have heard the bike coming?  I know she spent at
least a few days in the hospital.

I deal with pedestians crossing against the light every single morning on
my way to work.  It's bad enough that the intersection I have the most
problems with is very close to the Bethesda Metro.  Lots of cars making
the oncoming left seem to forget that I have the right-of-way to go
straight through the intersection.  Lots of mini-van dropping the husband
off at the metro and mom is still half asleep.  The pedestrians like to
wait on the corner deciding if they should go or not.  They usually wait
until I have the green light and they have the don't walk sign to start
crossing.  

One morning I saw a woman who grew up across the street from my husband. 
She was debating weather or not to cross on the don't walk.  She finally
decided to go right as I got the green light.  The hesitation combined
with the fact that she was having great difficulty walking in tall
platform shoes.  Right as she teetered and tottered in front of my bike as
I am missing the green light I opened my visor part way and yelled "HEY
BECKY, GET YOUR FAT ASS OUT OF THE ROAD" She just about jumped out of her
skin.  I closed my visor and rode last two blocks to work. Laughed the
whole day on that one. 

Lisa
'95 VFR



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1) Poseur
2) Dumbass
3) Darwin-in-action
4) All of the above

t0dd

--- "Pflieger, Matthew M." <MATTHEW.M.PFLIEGER@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Never a cruiser?  So what word is used for the types that
> 
> 1.  Begin midlife crisis
> 2.  Buy coolest-looking cruiser they can afford, esp. hardley
> 3.  Grow facial hair to extent permitted by employer (including
> women)
> 4.  Purchase as much leather as possible without succumbing to actual
> protection, i.e. chaps, vest, tassels
> 5.  Purchase beanie helmet in states w/ helmet laws; scoff at helmets
> altogether in non-law states
> 6.  Park bike at local hangout, stand next to it in order to be seen
> lots
> 7.  Get drunk
> 8.  Crash trying to get home
> 
> Matt L'enfant Provocateur 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MJordan666@XXXXXX [mailto:MJordan666@XXXXXX]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 8:58 AM
> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> Subject: Re: Squids?
> 
> 
> >What is a Squid?
> 
> Hi Pete,
> 
> Welcome to the list and motorcycling in general.
> 
> The generally accepted definition is that squid is a bastardization
> of 
> "squirrelly kid"; i.e. a person who rides with little or no
> discipline.
> 
> They also tend to ride like calamari swim - fast in straight lines,
> but 
> almost no cornering capability.
> 
> The mode of dress can also be an indicator - t-shirt, cutoffs,
> sneakers (or 
> flip-flops) and a $500 repli-racer helmet are fairly good indicators.
> 
> Generally, someone who acts irresponsibly on a motorcycle - almost
> always a 
> sport bike, sometimes a standard, and almost never a cruiser.
> 
> On your Savage, you're safe from the appelation, although I've seen
> some
> very 
> nice cafe racers based on the Savage...
> 
> Michael J.


=====
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`83 V65 Magna - Falcon  
`80 CX-500C

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> Never a cruiser?  So what word is used for the types that
>
> 1.  Begin midlife crisis
> 2.  Buy coolest-looking cruiser they can afford, esp. hardley
> 3.  Grow facial hair to extent permitted by employer (including women)
> 4.  Purchase as much leather as possible without succumbing to actual
> protection, i.e. chaps, vest, tassels
> 5.  Purchase beanie helmet in states w/ helmet laws; scoff at helmets
> altogether in non-law states
> 6.  Park bike at local hangout, stand next to it in order to be seen lots
> 7.  Get drunk
> 8.  Crash trying to get home

These guys are called RUBS (Rich Urban Bikers...some people add "scum" on
the end).  Though I generally call them dumbasses.  They can be even more
dangerous than squids because squids normally have a desire to learn bike
handling, these people do not.  Also, squids rarely drink and ride.


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>Never a cruiser?  So what word is used for the types that

This here's a FAMILY list, Matthew.

Ladies present, fer god's sake!

Cain't be using them words here...

Michael J.

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This reminds me of a time I was out at Cycle Sucks in Herndon.  A guy was in
there with his wife and her friend. I over heard her telling him how cool
he'd be with a cruiser (think a Royal Star).  After a few minutes she had
talked him into getting it.  Pass an hour or so (waiting for some service I
was having done, which by the way I had to redo myself).  Couple is now
outside, dealer is explaing controls to him (this is the clutch, this is the
brake....) Wife is sitting in expedition talking on cell phone.  Husband,
who has just bought a BRAND NEW bike has the expression of fear on his face.
No smile, no twinkle in his eye, just fear.  

Not a true squid, as the wife was the squid (or maybe she wanted to cash in
on the life insurance).  I left before he made it out of the parking lot (if
he did).

David G.
'00 Sprint RS (yellow)
Fredericksburg, Va.  USA



-----Original Message-----
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Never a cruiser?  So what word is used for the types that

1.  Begin midlife crisis
2.  Buy coolest-looking cruiser they can afford, esp. hardley
3.  Grow facial hair to extent permitted by employer (including women)
4.  Purchase as much leather as possible without succumbing to actual
protection, i.e. chaps, vest, tassels
5.  Purchase beanie helmet in states w/ helmet laws; scoff at helmets
altogether in non-law states
6.  Park bike at local hangout, stand next to it in order to be seen lots
7.  Get drunk
8.  Crash trying to get home

Matt L'enfant Provocateur 



-----Original Message-----
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To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
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>What is a Squid?

Hi Pete,

Welcome to the list and motorcycling in general.

The generally accepted definition is that squid is a bastardization of 
"squirrelly kid"; i.e. a person who rides with little or no discipline.

They also tend to ride like calamari swim - fast in straight lines, but 
almost no cornering capability.

The mode of dress can also be an indicator - t-shirt, cutoffs, sneakers (or 
flip-flops) and a $500 repli-racer helmet are fairly good indicators.

Generally, someone who acts irresponsibly on a motorcycle - almost always a 
sport bike, sometimes a standard, and almost never a cruiser.

On your Savage, you're safe from the appelation, although I've seen some
very 
nice cafe racers based on the Savage...

Michael J.

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...most of the threads that pop up on DC-Cycles are recycled.  
According
> to my calendar, next week someone is supposed to ask about dino vs. 
synthetic
> oil.  July we start talking about side stands sinking into hot 
asphalt,
> although with the 90 degree temps, that may be moved up.

  I show last week of July, we're supposed to discuss rear brakes 
again.  This quarter's discussion promises to be even more riveting 
than the last with the addition of power ABS to the new Beemers...
Also, mid July, someone is scheduled to bring up the 'which tires 
should I get?' thread. 




> True, I was just trying to point out that it doesn't take much to 
boot a bike.

  Doesn't take much to pick up that booted bike either, so that you 
can remove that boot (I've *heard* a good cutting torch works) in the 
comfort of your garage... 


> Heck, two feet of chain and a padlock will do the trick.  


  Heck, 2 DCC LM's & a pickup solves that problem ;-)


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Glenn,

I think we're basically all agreeing but coming at it from different
perspectives.  For sure, large group rides with folks who have never
ridden together before can be a potential problem.  Laura has been
pretty successful with her "relaxed ride" recipe.  Seems like the people
who come out and do those rides want to cruise rather than hoon.  I
think most of the real problems result when you have a large gathering
of sportbikers.  Peoples' egos get in the way and more people seem to
have the need to "prove something" by trying to ride fast.  That's when
folks tend to ride over their heads, outside of their comfort
level/ability limits, and faster than they're really capable of riding. 
I know that's happened on rides I've led/been on.  And I'm not quite
sure what you can do to 100% prevent that from happening.  Sure, you
tell everyone to ride smart and safe.  And as the ride leader, you try
to set the right example.  But it's hard to police self-restraint and
good judgement!

As I said before, I tend to reserve my "fast" sportbiking for riding
with friends I know and trust (just as you and the WSDYMFGs do). 
Doesn't necessarily mean we're all the same in terms of riding ability,
but that we all know that no one is going to stupid and/or unsafe.  Yet,
I wouldn't have met a lot of these folks without having first ridden
with them on a so-called "public" ride.  So there is a certain "chicken
and egg" dilemma/problem for those riders who don't know anyone else to
ride with ... How do you meet people and learn which ones are the ones
you can trust/feel safe riding with unless you "take a chance" and go
out on a group ride???

Cheers,
Chuck

Glenn Dysart wrote:
> 
> I guess you right Chuck that not all DCC rides have
> crashes, seems the ones you have taken people on have
> been pretty successful but for a while there it was at
> least one crash per ride if not more.  In other words,
> the odds are not good for the age of the list per
> rides.  Its the typical attitude of "I'm not a slow
> rider so I must get in the fast group" mentality I
> have a problem with.  Again, not that everyone on the
> list has it, but over the years I've been on this this
> I've seen happen more times then I have fingers or
> toes to count.

Glenn also wrote <SNIP>:

> Laura, I have no problem with people making mistakes,
> hell people do that every day.  Its the ones that
> can't accept the fact they are new to the sport or who
> have never ridden in a fast pace on the street and
> insist on having to ride with a fast group (when the
> ride splits into several groups) and then they get in
> over there head that I have a problem with.
>
> I guess what I'm trying to say is that anytime you
> invite the public (or people you've never ridden with)
> you never know what your getting yourself into.  Sure
> you could have a great time with people you've never
> met and have a great ride, but in my experience those
> rides don't always lead to fun, they have led to get
> offs more times then not.

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Larry Larson wrote:

> You mean like in http://www.wsdymfg.com/images/glenn1.jpg
> and http://www.wsdymfg.com/images/glenn2.jpg ? 8;)

Hey!  I recognize that bike!  :)

That was my starter bike.  And my wife's.  And my 
brother's...  Glad it's still out there putting along...

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I call it "dick measuring syndrome."
Opposite correlations apply here.  Like to get in over
your head? Feel the need to prove something? Small
dick.  :-)
heh

- Jeannette
  '86 VFR 700 F2
  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

--- Chuck Pena <cvkgpena@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Glenn,
> 
> Peoples' egos get in the way and
> more people seem to
> have the need to "prove something" by trying to ride
> fast.  That's when
> folks tend to ride over their heads, outside of
> their comfort
> level/ability limits, and faster than they're really
> capable of riding. 
> > Cheers,
> Chuck
> 
> 

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That's got to be one of the funniest things I've ever
heard.  LMAO
Think she figured out who yelled at her?  ;-)

- Jeannette 
  '86 VFR 700 F2
  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

--- "lisa@XXXXXX" <lgoddard@XXXXXX> wrote:
> 
> BECKY, GET YOUR FAT ASS OUT OF THE ROAD" She just
> about jumped out of her
> skin.  I closed my visor and rode last two blocks to
> work. Laughed the
> whole day on that one. 
> 
> Lisa
> '95 VFR
> 
> 


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At 11:51 PM 6/12/01, Glenn Dysart wrote:
>I do see your point though that riding two miles in
>town at a leisurely pace its hard to put all that gear
>on.  I guess for me I wouldn't bother braking out the
>bike for only two miles as that would be a tease for
>me.

I used to think that way too. I live 100 yards from Braddock
Street metro, and work a few hundred yards from Crystal
City metro, so it's hardly worth breaking out the bike, right?

But just riding those 2+ miles gets me to work in an entirely
different frame of mind as opposed to riding metro (and, I
must confess, sometimes I go up the GW Parkway and
somehow miss the airport exit, so I'm forced to ride up to
Spout Run, say 8;) ) It's not much, but it gets the day off
to a great start.

-- Larry
'01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco
'84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike)
'01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup
bike to the small emergency backup bike)



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...and the female corollary would be what? Or do they
just choose one of the multitude of souvenirs they've
accumulated from a lifetime of dating?

-- Larry


At 10:31 AM 6/13/01, Jeannette wrote:
>I call it "dick measuring syndrome."
>Opposite correlations apply here.  Like to get in over
>your head? Feel the need to prove something? Small
>dick.  :-)
>heh
>
>- Jeannette
>   '86 VFR 700 F2
>   http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081
>
>--- Chuck Pena <cvkgpena@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > Glenn,
> >
> > Peoples' egos get in the way and
> > more people seem to
> > have the need to "prove something" by trying to ride
> > fast.  That's when
> > folks tend to ride over their heads, outside of
> > their comfort
> > level/ability limits, and faster than they're really
> > capable of riding.
> > > Cheers,
> > Chuck
> >
> >
>
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>From what I've seen there isn't a corollary.  
Must be something in the testosterone, ya think?  ;-)

- Jeannette
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  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

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> they've
> accumulated from a lifetime of dating?
> 
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> 
> 
> 


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Hello,

I want to get my recently purchased motorcycle inspected in MD. Anyone have 
any recommendations on where to go? CyclesUSA is saying that I have to call 
at 10 am in the morning to see if they have any cancellations. Very 
aggravating. Any other places?? Thanks,

Ulrich
Ps. Didnt make bike night - I was at the beach. But DC is the place to have 'em.


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If you are near Olney MD, try Fletchers Amoco.  301 924 4500.

Bob
'97 VFR (4-sale)
'89 HawkGT

Ulrich Boser wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I want to get my recently purchased motorcycle inspected in MD. Anyone have
> any recommendations on where to go? CyclesUSA is saying that I have to call
> at 10 am in the morning to see if they have any cancellations. Very
> aggravating. Any other places?? Thanks,
>
> Ulrich
> Ps. Didnt make bike night - I was at the beach. But DC is the place to have 'em.


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1998 Suzuki GS500E 
3,550 miles 
$3,000.00

Black and silver.  All stock.  Mostly garaged.  Great condition!!   This
bike is fun to ride and is especially well-suited for newer riders.  Kelly
Blue Book places it at a higher price at MUCH higher mileage:
   
http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.mr?kbb;356491&;rc;r&154&1998;Suzuki;GS500
EW;42500;12990

See a photo (2001, but nearly identical) at:
http://www.suzukicycles.com/sr_01/sportstreet/bp_gs500.htm

I'll be placing an ad in the Post this weekend so if anyone on the list is
interested, please let me know!  

Sally Wood
'01 YZF600R  :) 
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Ulrich,

Try Cycle Accessory Discounters (CAD) in Gaithersburg. 301-977-7188. Keep in 
mind that most bike shops are flat-out right now. Not too many have a lot of 
idle shop time in the warm months.

You can also try Montgomery Village Auto Clinic, in Montgomery Village. I 
don't have their number. It's actually a car shop, but the owner rides and 
does some inspections. Good people.

HTH

Perry

>From: Ulrich Boser <uboser@XXXXXX>
>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
>Subject: Inspection
>Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:00:04 -0400
>
>Hello,
>
>I want to get my recently purchased motorcycle inspected in MD. Anyone have
>any recommendations on where to go? CyclesUSA is saying that I have to call
>at 10 am in the morning to see if they have any cancellations. Very
>aggravating. Any other places?? Thanks,
>
>Ulrich
>Ps. Didnt make bike night - I was at the beach. But DC is the place to have 
>'em.
>

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Someone on the WERA BBS recieved this from a friend across the pond....

>Some of us wear BMW style two piece "open chin" helmets - you know 
>the type - where the lower chin piece can be opened by pressing two 
>thumb locks. Some people have also fitted their bikes with 
>electronic cruise control or a version which operates on friction on 
>the throttle - either way they hold the speed of the bike reasonably 
>constant without any input from one's throttle hand. We also all 
>wear gloves, which invariably fasten around the wrist with either a 
>velcro flap or a press stud; some of the more expensive types have a 
>zip fastener as well, among other features.
>
>Picture if you will, one lone BMW rider with an opening chin helmet 
>and a pair of good quality velcro fastened gloves sailing along the 
>Hume Highway at 115 kph (that's all I'll admit to!!) dialled in on 
>the electronic cruise control. Weather is good, no cars in the 
>immediate vicinity, scenery is boring, no cops, life is good!!
>
>Junction of highway with Albury/Wodonga Road about 5 km away, no 
>need to slow down yet; bike is running beautifully!! Looking forward 
>to lunch.
>
>Bugger! Is that a bee that just got into my helmet through the small 
>gap I've left for some fresh air? Could be. Well, I'll just open my 
>helmet visor to let him out. Visor up ... no, the little bugger is 
>going to be stubborn, cantankerous even! He's not going to leave and 
>is now behind my sunnies, must be tired from all that pollen 
>hunting. Don't want to be stung on the eyelid-I'll just open the 
>chin piece on my BMW helmet (very handy) and get him out .... let go 
>of handlebars .... squeeze the release buttons bike is nicely 
>balanced and holding line well ... speed steady ... no cars ... this 
>should be easy ... got the helmet open ... glasses off ... piss off 
>bee! ... glasses on ... slam shut helmet ... hands back to bars ---- 
>oh, sheeite!
>
>Thumbs of both gloves jammed in helmet!!! Gloves won't move even 
>though I'm pulling like hell!! Wow, this will be testing...can't 
>quite press the release buttons with little fingers ... junction now 
>3.5 km away ... I know, I'll just pull one or both hands out of my 
>gloves.... no, that doesn't work: "velcro is good stuff, won't come 
>undone if you fall off!" I remember the salesman saying that. He was 
>absolutely right, they're stuck fast, I'd have to tear my head off 
>first. Well, next brilliant idea, what if I just touched the foot 
>brake --- nooo, dumb idea! That won't work, this airhead beemer has 
>great engine braking and
>when I get to about 40 kph and can't balance the bike any longer and 
>the dreaded BMW boxer wheel-wobble starts, which it will, I am going 
>to have major tank slappers --- sheeeiite!! I'll be off on my bum so 
>quick and still hanging onto my helmet so tightly they'll have to 
>bury me in it!!
>
>Won't do the bike much good either!!! Hell, I can see the junction 
>up ahead about one and half k's away and I am really starting to get 
>the wind up ... tense even ... certain parts are beginning to pucker 
>... if the lights change to red and that huge B-double (a double 
>tractor trailer only seen in Aus - G) waiting at the lights is in 
>the middle of the intersection when I get there, jeeesus, I'm going 
>to be a hood ornament next to that bloody chrome bull dog!! Must try 
>and pull hands really hard ... can I make them any smaller ... 800 
>metres ... the left one is giving a little ... maybe the gloves are 
>slipping on the sweat now pouring from every pore ... 600 metres 
>yes, yes, that's it, they're wet with sweat ....... I am going to 
>have to hit the footbrake in the next few seconds ... can't hit that 
>@#$*&@ big truck at this speed, it might scratch his duco ... yes! 
>yes! ripper! Got the left hand out ... now hit foot brake to cancel 
>cruise, de-clutch and slow bike with foot brake ... steer for the 
>shoulder ... slowing down ...slide foot... stop ... ease out clutch 
>to stall bike ... side stand down...switch off bike with left hand, 
>right hand still glued to helmet ... tintops going past must think 
>I've got toothache ... fall off into grass ... lay there for 5 
>minutes till the shaking stops and the adrenalin rush dissipates... 
>now release helmet with left hand and remove sweat soaked head.
>
>Breathe out ---- shizer! Was that ever close! I'll buy a Tatts ticket.
>
>When I had recovered, I realised there were two observation here:-
>
>No. 1: It's not a good idea to open or shut your helmet when on the move.
>
>and No. 2: Did you know, "adrenalin" is brown!!





-- 
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the 
skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
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<div>Someone on the WERA BBS recieved this from a friend across the
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<blockquote type="cite" cite><font color="#000000">Some of us wear
BMW style two piece &quot;open chin&quot; helmets - you know the type
- where the lower chin piece can be opened by pressing two thumb
locks. Some people have also fitted their bikes with electronic
cruise control or a version which operates on friction on the
throttle - either way they hold the speed of the bike reasonably
constant without any input from one's throttle hand. We also all wear
gloves, which invariably fasten around the wrist with either a velcro
flap or a press stud; some of the more expensive types have a zip
fastener as well, among other features.</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font
color="#000000"><br></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font color="#000000">Picture if you
will, one lone BMW rider with an opening chin helmet and a pair of
good quality velcro fastened gloves sailing along the Hume Highway at
115 kph (that's all I'll admit to!!) dialled in on the electronic
cruise control. Weather is good, no cars in the immediate vicinity,
scenery is boring, no cops, life is good!!</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font
color="#000000"><br></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font color="#000000">Junction of
highway with Albury/Wodonga Road about 5 km away, no need to slow
down yet; bike is running beautifully!! Looking forward to
lunch.</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font
color="#000000"><br></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font color="#000000">Bugger! Is that a
bee that just got into my helmet through the small gap I've left for
some fresh air? Could be. Well, I'll just open my helmet visor to let
him out. Visor up ... no, the little bugger is going to be stubborn,
cantankerous even! He's not going to leave and is now behind my
sunnies, must be tired from all that pollen hunting. Don't want to be
stung on the eyelid-I'll just open the chin piece on my BMW helmet
(very handy) and get him out .... let go of handlebars .... squeeze
the release buttons bike is nicely balanced and holding line well ...
speed steady ... no cars ... this should be easy ... got the helmet
open ... glasses off ... piss off bee! ... glasses on ... slam shut
helmet ... hands back to bars ---- oh, sheeite!</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font
color="#000000"><br></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font color="#000000">Thumbs of both
gloves jammed in helmet!!! Gloves won't move even though I'm pulling
like hell!! Wow, this will be testing...can't quite press the release
buttons with little fingers ... junction now 3.5 km away ... I know,
I'll just pull one or both hands out of my gloves.... no, that
doesn't work: &quot;velcro is good stuff, won't come undone if you
fall off!&quot; I remember the salesman saying that. He was
absolutely right, they're stuck fast, I'd have to tear my head off
first. Well, next brilliant idea, what if I just touched the foot
brake --- nooo, dumb idea! That won't work, this airhead beemer has
great engine braking and</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font color="#000000">when I get to
about 40 kph and can't balance the bike any longer and the dreaded
BMW boxer wheel-wobble starts, which it will, I am going to have
major tank slappers --- sheeeiite!! I'll be off on my bum so quick
and still hanging onto my helmet so tightly they'll have to bury me
in it!!</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font
color="#000000"><br></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font color="#000000">Won't do the bike
much good either!!! Hell, I can see the junction up ahead about one
and half k's away and I am really starting to get the wind up ...
tense even ... certain parts are beginning to pucker ... if the
lights change to red and that huge B-double (a double tractor trailer
only seen in Aus - G) waiting at the lights is in the middle of the
intersection when I get there, jeeesus, I'm going to be a hood
ornament next to that bloody chrome bull dog!! Must try and pull
hands really hard ... can I make them any smaller ... 800 metres ...
the left one is giving a little ... maybe the gloves are slipping on
the sweat now pouring from every pore ... 600 metres yes, yes, that's
it, they're wet with sweat ....... I am going to have to hit the
footbrake in the next few seconds ... can't hit that @#$*&amp;@ big
truck at this speed, it might scratch his duco ... yes! yes! ripper!
Got the left hand out ... now hit foot brake to cancel cruise,
de-clutch and slow bike with foot brake ... steer for the shoulder
... slowing down ...slide foot... stop ... ease out clutch to stall
bike ... side stand down...switch off bike with left hand, right hand
still glued to helmet ... tintops going past must think I've got
toothache ... fall off into grass ... lay there for 5 minutes till
the shaking stops and the adrenalin rush dissipates... now release
helmet with left hand and remove sweat soaked
head.</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font
color="#000000"><br></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font color="#000000">Breathe out ----
shizer! Was that ever close! I'll buy a Tatts
ticket.</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font
color="#000000"><br></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font color="#000000">When I had
recovered, I realised there were two observation
here:-</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font
color="#000000"><br></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font color="#000000">No. 1: It's not a
good idea to open or shut your helmet when on the
move.</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font
color="#000000"><br></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font color="#000000">and No. 2: Did you
know, &quot;adrenalin&quot; is brown!!</font></blockquote>
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<div>-- <br>
&quot;For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and
the skillful defiance of it.&quot;<br>
<br>
-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)<br>
<br>
Sean Jordan<br>
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing<br>
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)<br>
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)<br>
WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038<br>
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I think this was meant for the group.  (doh!)

Bob
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Morris Berman wrote:

> If you're near college park, the shell near beltway palza does it.
> Basically call you're most convenint gas station and ask.
>
> -Mb
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> > If you are near Olney MD, try Fletchers Amoco.  301 924 4500.
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> > Bob
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> >
> > Ulrich Boser wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I want to get my recently purchased motorcycle inspected in MD. Anyone have
> > > any recommendations on where to go? CyclesUSA is saying that I have to call
> > > at 10 am in the morning to see if they have any cancellations. Very
> > > aggravating. Any other places?? Thanks,
> > >
> > > Ulrich
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Hmmm, I got this about a week ago from a guy on a US based list that I
belong to.  Seems he had the EXACT (word for word, excluding the metric
conversions...) same experience in WV over the memorial day group ride I was
supposed to be on - I wonder who it actually happened to...
 
-Calvin
'00 VFR800 Interceptor
 
 
 -----Original Message-----
From: Sean Jordan [mailto:sean.jordan@XXXXXX]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 1:48 PM
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: A funny/scary story from across the pond



Someone on the WERA BBS recieved this from a friend across the pond....



Some of us wear BMW style two piece "open chin" helmets - you know the type
- where the lower chin piece can be opened by pressing two thumb locks. Some
people have also fitted their bikes with electronic cruise control or a
version which operates on friction on the throttle - either way they hold
the speed of the bike reasonably constant without any input from one's
throttle hand. We also all wear gloves, which invariably fasten around the
wrist with either a velcro flap or a press stud; some of the more expensive
types have a zip fastener as well, among other features.




Picture if you will, one lone BMW rider with an opening chin helmet and a
pair of good quality velcro fastened gloves sailing along the Hume Highway
at 115 kph (that's all I'll admit to!!) dialled in on the electronic cruise
control. Weather is good, no cars in the immediate vicinity, scenery is
boring, no cops, life is good!!




Junction of highway with Albury/Wodonga Road about 5 km away, no need to
slow down yet; bike is running beautifully!! Looking forward to lunch.




Bugger! Is that a bee that just got into my helmet through the small gap
I've left for some fresh air? Could be. Well, I'll just open my helmet visor
to let him out. Visor up ... no, the little bugger is going to be stubborn,
cantankerous even! He's not going to leave and is now behind my sunnies,
must be tired from all that pollen hunting. Don't want to be stung on the
eyelid-I'll just open the chin piece on my BMW helmet (very handy) and get
him out .... let go of handlebars .... squeeze the release buttons bike is
nicely balanced and holding line well ... speed steady ... no cars ... this
should be easy ... got the helmet open ... glasses off ... piss off bee! ...
glasses on ... slam shut helmet ... hands back to bars ---- oh, sheeite!




Thumbs of both gloves jammed in helmet!!! Gloves won't move even though I'm
pulling like hell!! Wow, this will be testing...can't quite press the
release buttons with little fingers ... junction now 3.5 km away ... I know,
I'll just pull one or both hands out of my gloves.... no, that doesn't work:
"velcro is good stuff, won't come undone if you fall off!" I remember the
salesman saying that. He was absolutely right, they're stuck fast, I'd have
to tear my head off first. Well, next brilliant idea, what if I just touched
the foot brake --- nooo, dumb idea! That won't work, this airhead beemer has
great engine braking and

when I get to about 40 kph and can't balance the bike any longer and the
dreaded BMW boxer wheel-wobble starts, which it will, I am going to have
major tank slappers --- sheeeiite!! I'll be off on my bum so quick and still
hanging onto my helmet so tightly they'll have to bury me in it!!




Won't do the bike much good either!!! Hell, I can see the junction up ahead
about one and half k's away and I am really starting to get the wind up ...
tense even ... certain parts are beginning to pucker ... if the lights
change to red and that huge B-double (a double tractor trailer only seen in
Aus - G) waiting at the lights is in the middle of the intersection when I
get there, jeeesus, I'm going to be a hood ornament next to that bloody
chrome bull dog!! Must try and pull hands really hard ... can I make them
any smaller ... 800 metres ... the left one is giving a little ... maybe the
gloves are slipping on the sweat now pouring from every pore ... 600 metres
yes, yes, that's it, they're wet with sweat ....... I am going to have to
hit the footbrake in the next few seconds ... can't hit that @#$*&@ big
truck at this speed, it might scratch his duco ... yes! yes! ripper! Got the
left hand out ... now hit foot brake to cancel cruise, de-clutch and slow
bike with foot brake ... steer for the shoulder ... slowing down ...slide
foot... stop ... ease out clutch to stall bike ... side stand down...switch
off bike with left hand, right hand still glued to helmet ... tintops going
past must think I've got toothache ... fall off into grass ... lay there for
5 minutes till the shaking stops and the adrenalin rush dissipates... now
release helmet with left hand and remove sweat soaked head.




Breathe out ---- shizer! Was that ever close! I'll buy a Tatts ticket.




When I had recovered, I realised there were two observation here:-




No. 1: It's not a good idea to open or shut your helmet when on the move.




and No. 2: Did you know, "adrenalin" is brown!!







-- 
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful
defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html



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class=915231318-13062001>Hmmm,&nbsp;I got this about a week ago from a guy on a 
US based list that I belong to.&nbsp; Seems he had the EXACT (word for word, 
excluding the metric conversions...) same experience in WV over the memorial day 
group ride I was supposed to be on - I wonder who<SPAN class=529381518-13062001> 
it actu</SPAN><SPAN class=529381518-13062001>ally happened 
to</SPAN>...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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size=2>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT face=Arial><SPAN 
class=915231318-13062001>-Calvin<BR><SPAN class=529381518-13062001>'00 VFR800 
Interceptor</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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class=529381518-13062001></SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Sean Jordan 
[mailto:sean.jordan@XXXXXX]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 13, 2001 1:48 
PM<BR><B>To:</B> dc-cycles@XXXXXX<BR><B>Subject:</B> A funny/scary story 
from across the pond<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"></FONT>
  <DIV>Someone on the WERA BBS recieved this from a friend across the 
  pond....</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#000000><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000>Some of us wear BMW style 
    two piece "open chin" helmets - you know the type - where the lower chin 
    piece can be opened by pressing two thumb locks. Some people have also 
    fitted their bikes with electronic cruise control or a version which 
    operates on friction on the throttle - either way they hold the speed of the 
    bike reasonably constant without any input from one's throttle hand. We also 
    all wear gloves, which invariably fasten around the wrist with either a 
    velcro flap or a press stud; some of the more expensive types have a zip 
    fastener as well, among other features.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000>Picture if you will, one 
    lone BMW rider with an opening chin helmet and a pair of good quality velcro 
    fastened gloves sailing along the Hume Highway at 115 kph (that's all I'll 
    admit to!!) dialled in on the electronic cruise control. Weather is good, no 
    cars in the immediate vicinity, scenery is boring, no cops, life is 
    good!!</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000>Junction of highway with 
    Albury/Wodonga Road about 5 km away, no need to slow down yet; bike is 
    running beautifully!! Looking forward to lunch.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000>Bugger! Is that a bee that 
    just got into my helmet through the small gap I've left for some fresh air? 
    Could be. Well, I'll just open my helmet visor to let him out. Visor up ... 
    no, the little bugger is going to be stubborn, cantankerous even! He's not 
    going to leave and is now behind my sunnies, must be tired from all that 
    pollen hunting. Don't want to be stung on the eyelid-I'll just open the chin 
    piece on my BMW helmet (very handy) and get him out .... let go of 
    handlebars .... squeeze the release buttons bike is nicely balanced and 
    holding line well ... speed steady ... no cars ... this should be easy ... 
    got the helmet open ... glasses off ... piss off bee! ... glasses on ... 
    slam shut helmet ... hands back to bars ---- oh, sheeite!</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000>Thumbs of both gloves 
    jammed in helmet!!! Gloves won't move even though I'm pulling like hell!! 
    Wow, this will be testing...can't quite press the release buttons with 
    little fingers ... junction now 3.5 km away ... I know, I'll just pull one 
    or both hands out of my gloves.... no, that doesn't work: "velcro is good 
    stuff, won't come undone if you fall off!" I remember the salesman saying 
    that. He was absolutely right, they're stuck fast, I'd have to tear my head 
    off first. Well, next brilliant idea, what if I just touched the foot brake 
    --- nooo, dumb idea! That won't work, this airhead beemer has great engine 
    braking and</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000>when I get to about 40 kph 
    and can't balance the bike any longer and the dreaded BMW boxer wheel-wobble 
    starts, which it will, I am going to have major tank slappers --- 
    sheeeiite!! I'll be off on my bum so quick and still hanging onto my helmet 
    so tightly they'll have to bury me in it!!</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000>Won't do the bike much good 
    either!!! Hell, I can see the junction up ahead about one and half k's away 
    and I am really starting to get the wind up ... tense even ... certain parts 
    are beginning to pucker ... if the lights change to red and that huge 
    B-double (a double tractor trailer only seen in Aus - G) waiting at the 
    lights is in the middle of the intersection when I get there, jeeesus, I'm 
    going to be a hood ornament next to that bloody chrome bull dog!! Must try 
    and pull hands really hard ... can I make them any smaller ... 800 metres 
    ... the left one is giving a little ... maybe the gloves are slipping on the 
    sweat now pouring from every pore ... 600 metres yes, yes, that's it, 
    they're wet with sweat ....... I am going to have to hit the footbrake in 
    the next few seconds ... can't hit that @#$*&amp;@ big truck at this speed, 
    it might scratch his duco ... yes! yes! ripper! Got the left hand out ... 
    now hit foot brake to cancel cruise, de-clutch and slow bike with foot brake 
    ... steer for the shoulder ... slowing down ...slide foot... stop ... ease 
    out clutch to stall bike ... side stand down...switch off bike with left 
    hand, right hand still glued to helmet ... tintops going past must think 
    I've got toothache ... fall off into grass ... lay there for 5 minutes till 
    the shaking stops and the adrenalin rush dissipates... now release helmet 
    with left hand and remove sweat soaked head.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000>Breathe out ---- shizer! 
    Was that ever close! I'll buy a Tatts ticket.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000>When I had recovered, I 
    realised there were two observation here:-</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000>No. 1: It's not a good idea 
    to open or shut your helmet when on the move.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT color=#000000>and No. 2: Did you know, 
    "adrenalin" is brown!!</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <DIV><BR><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><BR><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#000000><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>-- <BR>"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the 
  skillful defiance of it."<BR><BR>-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)<BR><BR>Sean 
  Jordan<BR>Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing<BR>'93 Honda CBR1000F 
  (Street)<BR>'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)<BR>WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member 
  #3038<BR>http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/j<SPAN></SPAN>ordanracing.html<BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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They wear beanies so they can expectorate in my general direction seeing as how
my Hardly is lacking in polish, long on dead bugs, and my minimum hat is a
Snell 3/4, often a full face, and I wear a leather jacket - no tassells, damn
things will whip the poopy outta you at 80 or so.

Bill

Pflieger, Matthew M. wrote:

> Never a cruiser?  So what word is used for the types that
>
> 1.  Begin midlife crisis
> 2.  Buy coolest-looking cruiser they can afford, esp. hardley
> 3.  Grow facial hair to extent permitted by employer (including women)
> 4.  Purchase as much leather as possible without succumbing to actual
> protection, i.e. chaps, vest, tassels
> 5.  Purchase beanie helmet in states w/ helmet laws; scoff at helmets
> altogether in non-law states
> 6.  Park bike at local hangout, stand next to it in order to be seen lots
> 7.  Get drunk
> 8.  Crash trying to get home
>
> Matt L'enfant Provocateur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MJordan666@XXXXXX [mailto:MJordan666@XXXXXX]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 8:58 AM
> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> Subject: Re: Squids?
>
> >What is a Squid?
>
> Hi Pete,
>
> Welcome to the list and motorcycling in general.
>
> The generally accepted definition is that squid is a bastardization of
> "squirrelly kid"; i.e. a person who rides with little or no discipline.
>
> They also tend to ride like calamari swim - fast in straight lines, but
> almost no cornering capability.
>
> The mode of dress can also be an indicator - t-shirt, cutoffs, sneakers (or
> flip-flops) and a $500 repli-racer helmet are fairly good indicators.
>
> Generally, someone who acts irresponsibly on a motorcycle - almost always a
> sport bike, sometimes a standard, and almost never a cruiser.
>
> On your Savage, you're safe from the appelation, although I've seen some
> very
> nice cafe racers based on the Savage...
>
> Michael J.


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ROTFLMAO.  Oh my GOD, that was funny.  Scary, but funny.  =8-0  Remind me to 1. never install an electronic cruise control on my bike and 2. never do that with my Nolan flip up if I do install a cc.  Although I have thought about it
a time or two.  ;-)

Scooter


In a message dated Wed, 13 Jun 2001  1:52:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX> writes:

<< <!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN">  <!--
blockquote, dl, ul, ol, li { margin-top: 0 ; margin-bottom: 0 }
 -->A funny/scary story from across the  pond  Someone on the WERA BBS recieved this from a friend across the  pond....  
  Some of us wear  BMW style two piece "open chin" helmets - you know the type  - where the lower chin piece can be opened by pressing two thumb  locks. Some people have also fitted their bikes with electronic  cruise control or a version which operates on friction on the  throttle - either way they hold the speed of the bike reasonably  constant without any input from one's throttle hand. We also all wear  gloves, which invariably fasten around the wrist with either a velcro  flap or a press stud; some of the more expensive types have a zip  fastener as well, among other features.  
  Picture if you  will, one lone BMW rider with an opening chin helmet and a pair of  good quality velcro fastened gloves sailing along the Hume Highway at  115 kph (that's all I'll admit to!!) dialled in on the electronic  cruise control. Weather is good, no cars in the immediate vicinity,  scenery is boring, no cops, life is good!!  
  Junction of  highway with Albury/Wodonga Road about 5 km away, no need to slow  down yet; bike is running beautifully!! Looking forward to  lunch.  
  Bugger! Is that a  bee that just got into my helmet through the small gap I've left for  some fresh air? Could be. Well, I'll just open my helmet visor to let  him out. Visor up ... no, the little bugger is going to be stubborn,  cantankerous even! He's not going to leave and is now behind my  sunnies, must be tired from all that pollen hunting. Don't want to be  stung on the eyelid-I'll just open the chin piece on my BMW helmet  (very handy) and get him out .... let go of handlebars .... squeeze  the release buttons bike is nicely balanced and holding line well ...  speed steady ... no cars ... this should be easy ... got the helmet  open ... glasses off ... piss off bee! ... glasses on ... slam shut  helmet ... hands back to bars ---- oh, sheeite!  
  Thumbs of both  gloves jammed in helmet!!! Gloves won't move even though I'm pulling  like hell!! Wow, this will be testing...can't quite press the release  buttons with little fingers ... junction now 3.5 km away ... I know,  I'll just pull one or both hands out of my gloves.... no, that  doesn't work: "velcro is good stuff, won't come undone if you  fall off!" I remember the salesman saying that. He was  absolutely right, they're stuck fast, I'd have to tear my head off  first. Well, next brilliant idea, what if I just touched the foot  brake --- nooo, dumb idea! That won't work, this airhead beemer has  great engine braking and  when I get to  about 40 kph and can't balance the bike any longer and the dreaded  BMW boxer wheel-wobble starts, which it will, I am going to have  major tank slappers --- sheeeiite!! I'll be off on my bum so quick  and still hanging onto my helmet so tightly they'll have to bury me  in it!!  
  Won't do the bike  much good either!!! Hell, I can see the junction up ahead about one  and half k's away and I am really starting to get the wind up ...  tense even ... certain parts are beginning to pucker ... if the  lights change to red and that huge B-double (a double tractor trailer  only seen in Aus - G) waiting at the lights is in the middle of the  intersection when I get there, jeeesus, I'm going to be a hood  ornament next to that bloody chrome bull dog!! Must try and pull  hands really hard ... can I make them any smaller ... 800 metres ...  the left one is giving a little ... maybe the gloves are slipping on  the sweat now pouring from every pore ... 600 metres yes, yes, that's  it, they're wet with sweat ....... I am going to have to hit the  footbrake in the next few seconds ... can't hit that @#$*&@ big  truck at this speed, it might scratch his duco ... yes! yes! ripper!  Got the left hand out ... now hit foot brake to cancel cruise,  de-clutch and slow bike!
 with foot brake ... steer for t
he shoulder  ... slowing down ...slide foot... stop ... ease out clutch to stall  bike ... side stand down...switch off bike with left hand, right hand  still glued to helmet ... tintops going past must think I've got  toothache ... fall off into grass ... lay there for 5 minutes till  the shaking stops and the adrenalin rush dissipates... now release  helmet with left hand and remove sweat soaked  head.  
  Breathe out ----  shizer! Was that ever close! I'll buy a Tatts  ticket.  
  When I had  recovered, I realised there were two observation  here:-  
  No. 1: It's not a  good idea to open or shut your helmet when on the  move.  
  and No. 2: Did you  know, "adrenalin" is brown!!  
  
    
  
    
    -- 
  "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and  the skillful defiance of it."
  
  -Ernest Becker (1924-1974)
  
  Sean Jordan
  Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
  '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
  '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
  WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
  http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/j<span ></span>ordanracing.html
         >>



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On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Larry Larson wrote:

> You mean like in http://www.wsdymfg.com/images/glenn1.jpg
> and http://www.wsdymfg.com/images/glenn2.jpg ? 8;)
> 
	Looks like he was really hauling ass in that second
picture. What a squid!

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Fun, but just another urban legend.

1. airhead BMW's are a very unlikely candidate for electronic cruise control - they have little enough charging power as it is.
2. "BMW-style" open face helmets (the BMW System helmets by Schuberth) use a single latch to open the face piece, not two "release catches".
3. Closing the face piece typically requires one hand in front and one hand behind - not both hands on the sides.

But a great story nontheless!

Chris Norloff

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX>
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:48:02 -0400

>Someone on the WERA BBS recieved this from a friend across the pond....
>
>>Some of us wear BMW style two piece "open chin" helmets - you know 
>>the type - where the lower chin piece can be opened by pressing two 
>>thumb locks. Some people have also fitted their bikes with 
>>electronic cruise control or a version which operates on friction on 
>>the throttle - either way they hold the speed of the bike reasonably 
>>constant without any input from one's throttle hand. We also all 
>>wear gloves, which invariably fasten around the wrist with either a 
>>velcro flap or a press stud; some of the more expensive types have a 
>>zip fastener as well, among other features.
>>
>>Picture if you will, one lone BMW rider with an opening chin helmet 
>>and a pair of good quality velcro fastened gloves sailing along the 
>>Hume Highway at 115 kph (that's all I'll admit to!!) dialled in on 
>>the electronic cruise control. Weather is good, no cars in the 
>>immediate vicinity, scenery is boring, no cops, life is good!!
>>
>>Junction of highway with Albury/Wodonga Road about 5 km away, no 
>>need to slow down yet; bike is running beautifully!! Looking forward 
>>to lunch.
>>
>>Bugger! Is that a bee that just got into my helmet through the small 
>>gap I've left for some fresh air? Could be. Well, I'll just open my 
>>helmet visor to let him out. Visor up ... no, the little bugger is 
>>going to be stubborn, cantankerous even! He's not going to leave and 
>>is now behind my sunnies, must be tired from all that pollen 
>>hunting. Don't want to be stung on the eyelid-I'll just open the 
>>chin piece on my BMW helmet (very handy) and get him out .... let go 
>>of handlebars .... squeeze the release buttons bike is nicely 
>>balanced and holding line well ... speed steady ... no cars ... this 
>>should be easy ... got the helmet open ... glasses off ... piss off 
>>bee! ... glasses on ... slam shut helmet ... hands back to bars ---- 
>>oh, sheeite!
>>
>>Thumbs of both gloves jammed in helmet!!! Gloves won't move even 
>>though I'm pulling like hell!! Wow, this will be testing...can't 
>>quite press the release buttons with little fingers ... junction now 
>>3.5 km away ... I know, I'll just pull one or both hands out of my 
>>gloves.... no, that doesn't work: "velcro is good stuff, won't come 
>>undone if you fall off!" I remember the salesman saying that. He was 
>>absolutely right, they're stuck fast, I'd have to tear my head off 
>>first. Well, next brilliant idea, what if I just touched the foot 
>>brake --- nooo, dumb idea! That won't work, this airhead beemer has 
>>great engine braking and
>>when I get to about 40 kph and can't balance the bike any longer and 
>>the dreaded BMW boxer wheel-wobble starts, which it will, I am going 
>>to have major tank slappers --- sheeeiite!! I'll be off on my bum so 
>>quick and still hanging onto my helmet so tightly they'll have to 
>>bury me in it!!
>>
>>Won't do the bike much good either!!! Hell, I can see the junction 
>>up ahead about one and half k's away and I am really starting to get 
>>the wind up ... tense even ... certain parts are beginning to pucker 
>>... if the lights change to red and that huge B-double (a double 
>>tractor trailer only seen in Aus - G) waiting at the lights is in 
>>the middle of the intersection when I get there, jeeesus, I'm going 
>>to be a hood ornament next to that bloody chrome bull dog!! Must try 
>>and pull hands really hard ... can I make them any smaller ... 800 
>>metres ... the left one is giving a little ... maybe the gloves are 
>>slipping on the sweat now pouring from every pore ... 600 metres 
>>yes, yes, that's it, they're wet with sweat ....... I am going to 
>>have to hit the footbrake in the next few seconds ... can't hit that 
>>@#$*&@ big truck at this speed, it might scratch his duco ... yes! 
>>yes! ripper! Got the left hand out ... now hit foot brake to cancel 
>>cruise, de-clutch and slow bike with foot brake ... steer for the 
>>shoulder ... slowing down ...slide foot... stop ... ease out clutch 
>>to stall bike ... side stand down...switch off bike with left hand, 
>>right hand still glued to helmet ... tintops going past must think 
>>I've got toothache ... fall off into grass ... lay there for 5 
>>minutes till the shaking stops and the adrenalin rush dissipates... 
>>now release helmet with left hand and remove sweat soaked head.
>>
>>Breathe out ---- shizer! Was that ever close! I'll buy a Tatts ticket.
>>
>>When I had recovered, I realised there were two observation here:-
>>
>>No. 1: It's not a good idea to open or shut your helmet when on the move.
>>
>>and No. 2: Did you know, "adrenalin" is brown!!
>
>
>
>
>
>-- 
>"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the 
>skillful defiance of it."
>
>-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)
>
>Sean Jordan
>Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
>'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
>'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
>WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
>http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html
>
>

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>Fun, but just another urban legend.
>
>1. airhead BMW's are a very unlikely candidate for electronic cruise 
>control - they have little enough charging power as it is.
>2. "BMW-style" open face helmets (the BMW System helmets by 
>Schuberth) use a single latch to open the face piece, not two 
>"release catches".
>3. Closing the face piece typically requires one hand in front and 
>one hand behind - not both hands on the sides.

I have posted a UL. I am shamed. I go to sit in corner now. Before I 
go, I will post your knowledge on the list that led me astray.

:(

-- 
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the 
skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html


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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=592284139&r=0&t=0

Neat!

-- 
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the 
skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html


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Anker never would have posted such drivel.


--- Sean Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX> wrote:
> >Fun, but just another urban legend.
> >
> >1. airhead BMW's are a very unlikely candidate for
> electronic cruise 
> >control - they have little enough charging power as
> it is.
> >2. "BMW-style" open face helmets (the BMW System
> helmets by 
> >Schuberth) use a single latch to open the face
> piece, not two 
> >"release catches".
> >3. Closing the face piece typically requires one
> hand in front and 
> >one hand behind - not both hands on the sides.
> 
> I have posted a UL. I am shamed. I go to sit in
> corner now. Before I 
> go, I will post your knowledge on the list that led
> me astray.
> 
> :(
> 
> -- 
> "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of
> death and the 
> skillful defiance of it."
> 
> -Ernest Becker (1924-1974)
> 
> Sean Jordan
> Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
> '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
> '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
> WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
>
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html
> 


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Try Potomac Amaco 301-299-8400, They inspect bikes and are really cool, they only need a day or two notice. The mechanic did the inspection while my bike was still on the trailer. Total time was about 30 minutes.

George Cole





>>> Ulrich Boser <uboser@XXXXXX> 06/13/01 01:00PM >>>
Hello,

I want to get my recently purchased motorcycle inspected in MD. Anyone have 
any recommendations on where to go? CyclesUSA is saying that I have to call 
at 10 am in the morning to see if they have any cancellations. Very 
aggravating. Any other places?? Thanks,

Ulrich
Ps. Didnt make bike night - I was at the beach. But DC is the place to have 'em.



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What's wrong with electronic cruise controls anyway?  I've got one on my
Viffer and it works great - really pissed off a Fairfax County LEO last week
with it.  Got on the County PW and was tooling along in the left lane at
50MPH (the limit) and he tried the old "ride his butt till he lets my
important ass by so that I can ILLEGALLY speed while not responding to a
call for service..." (Everyone KNOWS that you're required to let police by
in the left lane anytime you see one there right?) I just turned on the
cruise, set it for 49mph, and let the computer handle the tough stuff.  When
he finally did pass in the right lane, he gave me a dirty look for not
moving... 

-Calvin

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 2:52 PM
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ROTFLMAO.  Oh my GOD, that was funny.  Scary, but funny.  =8-0  Remind me to
1. never install an electronic cruise control on my bike and 2. never do
that with my Nolan flip up if I do install a cc.  Although I have thought
about it
a time or two.  ;-)

Scooter


In a message dated Wed, 13 Jun 2001  1:52:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Sean
Jordan <sean.jordan@XXXXXX> writes:

<< <!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN">  <!--
blockquote, dl, ul, ol, li { margin-top: 0 ; margin-bottom: 0 }
 -->A funny/scary story from across the  pond  Someone on the WERA BBS
recieved this from a friend across the  pond....  
  Some of us wear  BMW style two piece "open chin" helmets - you know the
type  - where the lower chin piece can be opened by pressing two thumb
locks. Some people have also fitted their bikes with electronic  cruise
control or a version which operates on friction on the  throttle - either
way they hold the speed of the bike reasonably  constant without any input
from one's throttle hand. We also all wear  gloves, which invariably fasten
around the wrist with either a velcro  flap or a press stud; some of the
more expensive types have a zip  fastener as well, among other features.  
  Picture if you  will, one lone BMW rider with an opening chin helmet and a
pair of  good quality velcro fastened gloves sailing along the Hume Highway
at  115 kph (that's all I'll admit to!!) dialled in on the electronic
cruise control. Weather is good, no cars in the immediate vicinity,  scenery
is boring, no cops, life is good!!  
  Junction of  highway with Albury/Wodonga Road about 5 km away, no need to
slow  down yet; bike is running beautifully!! Looking forward to  lunch.  
  Bugger! Is that a  bee that just got into my helmet through the small gap
I've left for  some fresh air? Could be. Well, I'll just open my helmet
visor to let  him out. Visor up ... no, the little bugger is going to be
stubborn,  cantankerous even! He's not going to leave and is now behind my
sunnies, must be tired from all that pollen hunting. Don't want to be  stung
on the eyelid-I'll just open the chin piece on my BMW helmet  (very handy)
and get him out .... let go of handlebars .... squeeze  the release buttons
bike is nicely balanced and holding line well ...  speed steady ... no cars
... this should be easy ... got the helmet  open ... glasses off ... piss
off bee! ... glasses on ... slam shut  helmet ... hands back to bars ----
oh, sheeite!  
  Thumbs of both  gloves jammed in helmet!!! Gloves won't move even though
I'm pulling  like hell!! Wow, this will be testing...can't quite press the
release  buttons with little fingers ... junction now 3.5 km away ... I
know,  I'll just pull one or both hands out of my gloves.... no, that
doesn't work: "velcro is good stuff, won't come undone if you  fall off!" I
remember the salesman saying that. He was  absolutely right, they're stuck
fast, I'd have to tear my head off  first. Well, next brilliant idea, what
if I just touched the foot  brake --- nooo, dumb idea! That won't work, this
airhead beemer has  great engine braking and  when I get to  about 40 kph
and can't balance the bike any longer and the dreaded  BMW boxer
wheel-wobble starts, which it will, I am going to have  major tank slappers
--- sheeeiite!! I'll be off on my bum so quick  and still hanging onto my
helmet so tightly they'll have to bury me  in it!!  
  Won't do the bike  much good either!!! Hell, I can see the junction up
ahead about one  and half k's away and I am really starting to get the wind
up ...  tense even ... certain parts are beginning to pucker ... if the
lights change to red and that huge B-double (a double tractor trailer  only
seen in Aus - G) waiting at the lights is in the middle of the  intersection
when I get there, jeeesus, I'm going to be a hood  ornament next to that
bloody chrome bull dog!! Must try and pull  hands really hard ... can I make
them any smaller ... 800 metres ...  the left one is giving a little ...
maybe the gloves are slipping on  the sweat now pouring from every pore ...
600 metres yes, yes, that's  it, they're wet with sweat ....... I am going
to have to hit the  footbrake in the next few seconds ... can't hit that
@#$*&@ big  truck at this speed, it might scratch his duco ... yes! yes!
ripper!  Got the left hand out ... now hit foot brake to cancel cruise,
de-clutch and slow bi!
ke!
 with foot brake ... steer for t
he shoulder  ... slowing down ...slide foot... stop ... ease out clutch to
stall  bike ... side stand down...switch off bike with left hand, right hand
still glued to helmet ... tintops going past must think I've got  toothache
... fall off into grass ... lay there for 5 minutes till  the shaking stops
and the adrenalin rush dissipates... now release  helmet with left hand and
remove sweat soaked  head.  
  Breathe out ----  shizer! Was that ever close! I'll buy a Tatts  ticket.  
  When I had  recovered, I realised there were two observation  here:-  
  No. 1: It's not a  good idea to open or shut your helmet when on the
move.  
  and No. 2: Did you  know, "adrenalin" is brown!!  
  
    
  
    
    -- 
  "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and  the
skillful defiance of it."
  
  -Ernest Becker (1924-1974)
  
  Sean Jordan
  Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
  '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
  '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
  WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
  http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/j<span ></span>ordanracing.html
         >>


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The TSR Injury Fund regrets to announce that the 2nd Annual Raffle for
Injured Riders must be postponed until later in the roadracing season.
  
Originally, it was scheduled for Sunday, June 17th at the WERA VIR
Cycle Jam.   At this time, we have rescheduled the drawing for Sunday,
Oct 28th at the WERA GNF.  This will give us the opportunity to attend
more events to generate further awareness for the fund and it's
activities.  We will attend at least nine more events prior to the GNF,
so please look for us at your next local event.

We would like to apologize to everyone that has already supported the
TSR Injury fund this year, but would like to assure you that we will
continue our efforts until our goal of 500 tickets is reached.  We
understand that there has been an increase in roadracing-based
charities, and we appreciate that you choose us.

If you have not chosen a motorcycle roadracing based charity for 2001,
please consider the TSR Injury Fund.

Sincerely,

TSR Injury Fund
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Hi everyone,

I had the great pleasure of riding on Skyline Drive last Sunday.  Since my 
weekly admission pass is still valid through Saturday, I plan on heading up 
there to enjoy it again.

My pass is valid for 2 people, and since the guy I went with last time is 
not going, I can get one other person in for free (avoid the $5 entry fee).  
Whoever responds first via email will get the freebie.

I don't care if you are a squid or a pro-racer, I just would rather have 
some company to ride down there and eat lunch etc.  I don't know what time 
is best to avoid traffic, but my guess is morning is better than afternoon?  
I really enjoy the group-riding atmosphere, and I'm not looking for any 
racing, but a nice relaxed pace with maybe a few brisk corners but nothing 
serious (like doing the 20mph turns at, oh, 30mph?)

Anyway, if anybody is interested, let me know.  I live near the 
Vienna/Fairfax metro station (last stop on the orange line, exit 62 on 
I-66), and I can meet there in the motorcycle parking area before heading 
down 66 to Front Royal.  I would say tentatively to meet there at 9:30am, 
but if that is too late/early I can follow up with another email having the 
general consensus of what time to meet.

Also, if there is already a planned group ride being put on by anyone else, 
that is going to be near skyline, I would like to find out about it and go 
on that ride and end up on Skyline.

Hope to meet some riders who are interested in riding Skyline Drive and 
possibly eating lunch etc.

Aaron S. Ward
CBR900RR
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Hell, I've been here almost 4 months now.

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 6:56 AM
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> You have 30 days to register your car in Va. from the
> time you move here. As long as your license is still
> from Tx. noone will know.
>
> Todd W.
>
>
> --- Cliff Zigmond <cliffzig@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > I'll be registering in VA.  I paid the great state
> > of Texas registration fees all the way up to
> > January, and I'll be damned if I am going to get
> > screwed by 2 states at once.  I plan on sticking to
> > my TX plates/license/guns as long as they'll let me.
> >
> > Cliff
> >
> > *snip!*
> > >>If you're planning on registering in DC, you're
> > going to have to ante up or they'll withhold your
> > registration(s).
> >
> >
> >
>
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In Virginia, it's illegal to flash your high beams to indicate
you want to pass. It's also illegal to not yield to faster
traffic, regardless of how fast you *think* you're travelling.
When's the last time you had your speedo or cruise
control calibrated?

You should probably consider yourself lucky you didn't
come up against one who'd give your rear fender a little
nudge -- just as a hint, of course.

Don't tweak the bears, asshole. Jerks like you just
make it tougher for the rest of us.

-- Larry


At 06:16 PM 6/13/01, Ledford, Calvin wrote:
>What's wrong with electronic cruise controls anyway?  I've got one on my
>Viffer and it works great - really pissed off a Fairfax County LEO last week
>with it.  Got on the County PW and was tooling along in the left lane at
>50MPH (the limit) and he tried the old "ride his butt till he lets my
>important ass by so that I can ILLEGALLY speed while not responding to a
>call for service..." (Everyone KNOWS that you're required to let police by
>in the left lane anytime you see one there right?) I just turned on the
>cruise, set it for 49mph, and let the computer handle the tough stuff.  When
>he finally did pass in the right lane, he gave me a dirty look for not
>moving...
>
>-Calvin



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Hey All,

Went to Summit Point last weekend and had a blast watching.  Now I'm read=
y to hit my first track days.  Can anyone suggest which ones would be bet=
ter and when they are?  Also, I'm open to any suggestions anyone could pa=
ss along that would be worth knowing as I'm starting out.

One question I've been pondering.  With minimal income, is it best to jus=
t buy a used race bike or convert my current bike into one?  I've got a s=
tock CBRF3 and know it hasn't been dogged, but wouldn't it cost big bucks=
 to get it up to par?  I would definitely want to replace things like the=
 suspension, plastic, tires, exhaust, etc.  I read that it might be worth=
 it to have someone who knows what they're doing set the bike up and then=
 as I learn deal with more on my own?  Is a 600 even too big to start on?=
  I'm 6'1" and 210 so I don't imagine I would fit well with a 250.

How much money should I expect to put in to get me going?  Granted, this =
is just a hobby to keep me off the streets away from all the cages, cops,=
 and pedestrians, but like Laura has said, I will get hooked and figure I=
 might as well do it right.  I have a friend who plans on getting into ra=
cing next season so I can mooch off him with tools, trailering, etc.

Any tips would be appreciated!  Hope to meet some of you soon at the next=
 Bike Night or race weekend.

-Chayne

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<HTML><BODY STYLE=3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>Hey All,</DIV>=
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ne suggest which ones would be better and when they are?&nbsp; Also, I'm =
open to any suggestions anyone could pass along that would be worth knowi=
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ce bike or convert&nbsp;my current bike into one?&nbsp; I've got a stock =
CBRF3 and know it hasn't been dogged, but wouldn't it cost big bucks to g=
et it up to par?&nbsp; I would definitely want to replace things like the=
 suspension, plastic, tires, exhaust, etc.&nbsp; I read that it might be =
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p and then as I learn deal with more on my own?&nbsp; Is a 600 even too b=
ig to start on?&nbsp; I'm 6'1" and 210 so I don't imagine I would fit wel=
l with a 250.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>How much money should I expect=
 to put in to get me going?&nbsp; Granted, this is just a hobby to keep m=
e off the streets away from all the cages, cops, and pedestrians, but lik=
e Laura has said, I will get hooked and figure I might as well do it righ=
t.&nbsp; I have a friend who plans on getting into racing next season so =
I can mooch off him with tools, trailering, etc.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> =
<DIV>Any tips would be appreciated!&nbsp; Hope to meet some of you soon a=
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Friend of mine is selling his bike...

<94 Honda CBR 1000F Great shape! Plenty of sport with comfort to boot. 11,000
miles
$4,750 (703) 435-0993 Please leave message.>

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From: "Gary Foreman" <fj1100@XXXXXX>
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http://www.2wheeljunkie.com/photos/racephotos/010610/010610.htm


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Larry,

Real nice, dickhead. (Remember, you started the namecalling) How on earth
would you be breaking the law by not yielding when you're already going the
legal speed limit? It's guys like you who foster a double standard for the
behavior of cops and make them feel like they're above the laws that they're
sworn to uphold. No wonder so many people dislike them and no wonder I now
dislike you. I guess in your mind, assualt with a deadly weapon is okay as
long as a cop does it to give out "hints". You are such a fucking tool.

Chris Weaver


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> In Virginia, it's illegal to flash your high beams to indicate
> you want to pass. It's also illegal to not yield to faster
> traffic, regardless of how fast you *think* you're travelling.
> When's the last time you had your speedo or cruise
> control calibrated?
>
> You should probably consider yourself lucky you didn't
> come up against one who'd give your rear fender a little
> nudge -- just as a hint, of course.
>
> Don't tweak the bears, asshole. Jerks like you just
> make it tougher for the rest of us.
>
> -- Larry




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Generally speaking, go to a gas station.  They have no incentive to find 
things "wrong" that aren't.  But call around---not all car inspection 
places are certified for bikes.

--garcia

On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Ulrich Boser wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I want to get my recently purchased motorcycle inspected in MD. Anyone have 
> any recommendations on where to go? CyclesUSA is saying that I have to call 
> at 10 am in the morning to see if they have any cancellations. Very 
> aggravating. Any other places?? Thanks,
> 
> Ulrich
> Ps. Didnt make bike night - I was at the beach. But DC is the place to have 'em.
> 

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Nice camera work there Gary !

I could only wish mine come out half as good.

Niv
BMW F650ST

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Foreman [mailto:fj1100@XXXXXX]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 9:13 PM
To: DC-Cycles Mailing List; Dccycles2
Subject: Summit Point Sunday photos


http://www.2wheeljunkie.com/photos/racephotos/010610/010610.htm


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Coming out of lurk mode for the first time to post about my recent
experience at a Summit Point track day.  Below is what I wrote to NESBA:

I recently participated in a track day at Summit Point under NESBA
sponsorship.  I took advantage of your free "first timer" offer which is a
really great idea for attracting new riders to your organization.  I had a
great time zooming around the track at hyper speeds....until the last lap of
the morning session when I failed to make turn 1.  I made the proverbial
rookie mistake of misjudging my entry speed.  During all three session that
morning, there was always someone in front of me to follow into the turns.
As a novice, I wasn't aware of the significance of entry speed and braking
points.  Since I was just following the pack all morning, I had no idea what
my speed was going into the corners.  As luck would have it, I found myself
going into turn 1 on the final lap of the morning session with no riders in
front of me.  I braked hard as I had all morning, but apparently didn't
scrub off enough speed.  Going into the turn too hot, I quickly realize I
wasn't going to make it, so I decided to just stand the bike up and ride
into the run-off area.  Going from pavement to grass, the bike remained
upright and I was still in control of the bike.  I was thinking, "Good,
everything is OK and I'll just slow down gradually."  Everything was OK
until a huge mud puddle appeared out of nowhere.  I knew I couldn't steer on
the grass, so in I went.  The bike went down and I went tumbling.  I figure
my speed was down to about 30-40 MPH when I hit the mud hole, so my fall was
relatively soft, just minor bumps and bruises.  The bike sustained major
plastic damage but nothing structural.  I was trucked back to my pit area.
I hosed off the bike (and me) and was able to ride home.
	Lesson learned:  Gotta know your entry speed and braking points,
especially at turn 1.  Can't just be a sheep and follow the herd cause you
won't know what to do when the herd isn't there to follow.  During the
beginner's class session, NESBA members pointed out many of the do's and
don'ts of track riding, but this is one really bad scenario that wasn't
emphasize enough to first timers.
	I enjoyed my time on the track, but it ticks me off that I did what
I was suppose to do to bail out of a bad situation just to be blind sided by
a stupid mud hole!  Just bad luck I guess.  Oh well, get the bike fixed and
sign up for the next track day!

Steve
95 VFR


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HJas anyone seen the Classic Rock 94.7 web site? They
have an extensive list of motorcycle events from ABATE
to WOW. Can we get our stuff on there?

http://www.classicrock947.com/wheel.html



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Michael J. wrote...
>
> On your Savage, you're safe from the appelation,
although I've seen some
> very
> nice cafe racers based on the Savage...
>

Oooo yeah.  The Snortin. :)

http://www.vintagethunder.com/snorton.html

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Tis also illegal to pass on the right, got me a tickee for that meny moons ago
but the circumstances were a *little* bit dicey - I used the shoulder :-)

Bill

Larry Larson wrote:

> In Virginia, it's illegal to flash your high beams to indicate
> you want to pass. It's also illegal to not yield to faster
> traffic, regardless of how fast you *think* you're travelling.
> When's the last time you had your speedo or cruise
> control calibrated?
>
> You should probably consider yourself lucky you didn't
> come up against one who'd give your rear fender a little
> nudge -- just as a hint, of course.
>
> Don't tweak the bears, asshole. Jerks like you just
> make it tougher for the rest of us.
>
> -- Larry
>
> At 06:16 PM 6/13/01, Ledford, Calvin wrote:
> >What's wrong with electronic cruise controls anyway?  I've got one on my
> >Viffer and it works great - really pissed off a Fairfax County LEO last week
> >with it.  Got on the County PW and was tooling along in the left lane at
> >50MPH (the limit) and he tried the old "ride his butt till he lets my
> >important ass by so that I can ILLEGALLY speed while not responding to a
> >call for service..." (Everyone KNOWS that you're required to let police by
> >in the left lane anytime you see one there right?) I just turned on the
> >cruise, set it for 49mph, and let the computer handle the tough stuff.  When
> >he finally did pass in the right lane, he gave me a dirty look for not
> >moving...
> >
> >-Calvin


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Well, I do believe VA has a "use left lane for passing only" deal, but I don't
think it's tickatable - but you could get nailed for "obstructing traffic".  In
many states, much to my delight, cruising the left lane without making an
obvious pass is ticketable.  In other states it's just plain rude.

But arry's bumper tagging plan is more than a ticket - I believe that could be
escalated to a felony charge, and it's also more than rude - it's freaky
dangerous road ragious behavior.

I think you're lucky the cop didn't pull you over for a slow, annoying
inspection of your vehicle and papers along with a lecture on VAs keep right
except when passing philosophy.

Bill

Chris Weaver wrote:

> Larry,
>
> Real nice, dickhead. (Remember, you started the namecalling) How on earth
> would you be breaking the law by not yielding when you're already going the
> legal speed limit? It's guys like you who foster a double standard for the
> behavior of cops and make them feel like they're above the laws that they're
> sworn to uphold. No wonder so many people dislike them and no wonder I now
> dislike you. I guess in your mind, assualt with a deadly weapon is okay as
> long as a cop does it to give out "hints". You are such a fucking tool.
>
> Chris Weaver
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Larry Larson <llarson@XXXXXX>
> To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 11:04 PM
> Subject: RE: A funny/scary story from across the pond
>
> > In Virginia, it's illegal to flash your high beams to indicate
> > you want to pass. It's also illegal to not yield to faster
> > traffic, regardless of how fast you *think* you're travelling.
> > When's the last time you had your speedo or cruise
> > control calibrated?
> >
> > You should probably consider yourself lucky you didn't
> > come up against one who'd give your rear fender a little
> > nudge -- just as a hint, of course.
> >
> > Don't tweak the bears, asshole. Jerks like you just
> > make it tougher for the rest of us.
> >
> > -- Larry
>
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ulrich:
sorry for the late reply here.  rick hart at the potomac
village amoco on river road is a buddy of mine and he does
inspections on short notice.



--- Perry Coleman <perrycoleman@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Ulrich,
> 
> Try Cycle Accessory Discounters (CAD) in Gaithersburg.
> 301-977-7188. Keep in 
> mind that most bike shops are flat-out right now. Not too
> many have a lot of 
> idle shop time in the warm months.
> 
> You can also try Montgomery Village Auto Clinic, in
> Montgomery Village. I 
> don't have their number. It's actually a car shop, but
> the owner rides and 
> does some inspections. Good people.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Perry
> 
> >From: Ulrich Boser <uboser@XXXXXX>
> >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> >Subject: Inspection
> >Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:00:04 -0400
> >
> >Hello,
> >
> >I want to get my recently purchased motorcycle inspected
> in MD. Anyone have
> >any recommendations on where to go? CyclesUSA is saying
> that I have to call
> >at 10 am in the morning to see if they have any
> cancellations. Very
> >aggravating. Any other places?? Thanks,


=====
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At 12:54 AM 6/14/2001, Chris Weaver wrote:
>How on earth
>would you be breaking the law by not yielding when you're already going the
>legal speed limit?

My understanding is that the law supercedes the speed limit.  It was 
enacted to stop people from cruising in the passing lane.  If you are going 
80 in a 55 in the left lane, you are obliged to move over for someone 
coming up behind you or that flashes their lights.  The reason the speed 
limit doesn't come into effect is because left lane cruising is dangerous - 
forcing people to pass on the right (possibly with a merge lane) - or 
generating "road rage".  I put it in quotes because the behavior has always 
been there - the media has only found a catchy name for it in the last 
couple of years.

I am pretty sure this was discussed around this time last year.



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At 10:10 PM 6/13/2001, Aaron Ward wrote:
>Anyway, if anybody is interested, let me know.  I live near the 
>Vienna/Fairfax metro station (last stop on the orange line, exit 62 on 
>I-66), and I can meet there in the motorcycle parking area before heading 
>down 66 to Front Royal.  I would say tentatively to meet there at 9:30am, 
>but if that is too late/early I can follow up with another email having 
>the general consensus of what time to meet.

66 to Front Royal!  Ouch!  At least take 55 from Gainesville.  Or head out 
the VA By-way from Warrenton and join Skyline at 211.

I would like to go with you, but I probably shouldn't since I'll be gone 
all next weekend for the Hoot.  Anyone else interested in riding down 6am 
Thursday?  BRP all the way baby!  Yeah!



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From: Larry Larson <llarson@XXXXXX>
Subject: Jerks and cops...Was: A funny/scary story from across the pond
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Chris,

Being called a name you've earned is small penance
for your stupid action. Consider yourself lucky.

As to your surmises below, the logic doesn't hold. Note
my comment about "calibration" -- how do you know you
were actually doing the speed limit? What if you were
actually doing, say, 48 -- which is quite reasonable,
since vehicle speedos are generally at best accurate
within 3%? You're exactly the same as the Montgomery
County jerks who cruise the left lane of 355 at some
speed at or below the speed limit, and then write to the
Post's Dr. Gridlock as though they deserve the Nobel Prize.

As to cops in general, I generally agree with you: some are
undoubtedly decent people, but many are just thugs at heart.
However, the cops are *our* thugs -- they're the thugs on the
side of the supposed good guys (us). Actions like yours just
aggravate the bad apples (not to mention the rest of the public).

So sleep tight, Weaver. Next time you pull one of your stunts,
make doubly sure it's a cop car you're playing with, rather than
some redneck who won't mind a little bumper tag between his
cage or pickup and your two-wheeler. And make sure he knows
who you are, so the penalty doesn't fall to the next innocent
biker who happens along.

-- Larry


At 12:54 AM 6/14/01, Chris Weaver wrote:
>Larry,
>
>Real nice, dickhead. (Remember, you started the namecalling) How on earth
>would you be breaking the law by not yielding when you're already going the
>legal speed limit? It's guys like you who foster a double standard for the
>behavior of cops and make them feel like they're above the laws that they're
>sworn to uphold. No wonder so many people dislike them and no wonder I now
>dislike you. I guess in your mind, assualt with a deadly weapon is okay as
>long as a cop does it to give out "hints". You are such a fucking tool.
>
>Chris Weaver
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Larry Larson <llarson@XXXXXX>
>To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 11:04 PM
>Subject: RE: A funny/scary story from across the pond
>
>
> > In Virginia, it's illegal to flash your high beams to indicate
> > you want to pass. It's also illegal to not yield to faster
> > traffic, regardless of how fast you *think* you're travelling.
> > When's the last time you had your speedo or cruise
> > control calibrated?
> >
> > You should probably consider yourself lucky you didn't
> > come up against one who'd give your rear fender a little
> > nudge -- just as a hint, of course.
> >
> > Don't tweak the bears, asshole. Jerks like you just
> > make it tougher for the rest of us.
> >
> > -- Larry
>
>
>
>
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--- Troutman <mike@XXXXXX> wrote:
> At 10:10 PM 6/13/2001, Aaron Ward wrote:
> >Anyway, if anybody is interested, let me know.  I live
> near the 
> >Vienna/Fairfax metro station (last stop on the orange
> line, exit 62 on 
> >I-66), and I can meet there in the motorcycle parking
> area before heading 
> >down 66 to Front Royal.  I would say tentatively to meet
> there at 9:30am, 
> >but if that is too late/early I can follow up with
> another email having 
> >the general consensus of what time to meet.
> 
> 66 to Front Royal!  Ouch!  At least take 55 from
> Gainesville.  Or head out 
> the VA By-way from Warrenton and join Skyline at 211.

no shit.  and the author should also know that skyline
turns into the brp at ~charlottesville and becomes a much
more enjoyable road (less traffic, higher speed limit).



> I would like to go with you, but I probably shouldn't
> since I'll be gone 
> all next weekend for the Hoot.  Anyone else interested in
> riding down 6am 
> Thursday?  BRP all the way baby!  Yeah!

dude....that is a LOOOONNNNGGGG trip on the brp.  it is
very tough to make good time on that road.  averaging 60
is, in my opinion, hauling arse.  realistically, it's a
2-day trip to the end of it.  the last time todd p. and i
tried this (en route to deals gap), we had to jump off and
slab for 100+ miles to meet our scheduled arrival time. 
you should prepare a backup route or be ready to do so.




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Chayne,

IMO, an F3 is the perfect bike to start on.  In the first half season or so,
the bike will not limit you much.  If for some reason you are in love with
you F3, then you can look for another bike.  I'd concentrate my money on
getting proper safety equipment, then upgrading the suspension and brakes,
then getting the rest of the stuff on the bike.
I bought a well race thrashed F2 as my race bike.  It was already set up.
At 6'3/195, I found that I couldn't even use rearsets reasonably.  I can't
really imagine racing a smaller bike.  The WERA production C class is for
600s with stock exhausts.  Only power mod allowed is jet kit.  Good class to
start in.
As I said, when you first start out, the bike will not limit you much.  Try
it out on your F3.  If you are realistic with yourself, it will be a while
before you reach the limits of even the stock suspension.  As time goes by,
you can upgrade the suspension.  I would really do most of the work
yourself.  You'll have to at the track, so better to get the proper tools
and knowledge.  I changed my first clutch with the bike lying on the ground
in the pits and a race looming in a couple of hours.  Not the ideal
conditions for learning :)

Jay St. Peter



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Just to set the record straight - I was a cop for 6.5 years - in the USAF,
Utah, the Myrtle Beach SC.  In thoses places the is nothing wrong with 1-9
mph under the limit - although in UT a summons written at 10 under.  There
was never anything that said you had to yield to any emergency vehicle NOT
operating emergeny equipmennt.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Larson <llarson@XXXXXX>
To: DC Cycles <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 8:50 AM
Subject: Jerks and cops...Was: A funny/scary story from across the pond


> Chris,
>
> Being called a name you've earned is small penance
> for your stupid action. Consider yourself lucky.

Hey, dimwit, it wasn't me that held up the cop. Check your facts.

> As to your surmises below, the logic doesn't hold. Note
> my comment about "calibration" -- how do you know you
> were actually doing the speed limit? What if you were
> actually doing, say, 48 -- which is quite reasonable,
> since vehicle speedos are generally at best accurate
> within 3%? You're exactly the same as the Montgomery
> County jerks who cruise the left lane of 355 at some
> speed at or below the speed limit, and then write to the
> Post's Dr. Gridlock as though they deserve the Nobel Prize.

Again, it wasn't me, jackass. I rarely drive the speed limit as I feel it is
usually egregious and arbitrary. And if those cops want to pull sneaky
pranks in order to fill quotas (like driving in unmarked cars and sitting on
people's bumpers to get them to speed up), they deserve all the
pain-in-the-ass civilians they can get.

> As to cops in general, I generally agree with you: some are
> undoubtedly decent people, but many are just thugs at heart.
> However, the cops are *our* thugs -- they're the thugs on the
> side of the supposed good guys (us). Actions like yours just
> aggravate the bad apples (not to mention the rest of the public).

Yet again, it wasn't me. I personally don't give one jolly fuck if I
"aggravate the bad apples" or not. They deserve it, and their illegal
actions will eventually come back to bite them on the ass. But the point is
moot - I didn't do it.

> So sleep tight, Weaver. Next time you pull one of your stunts,
> make doubly sure it's a cop car you're playing with, rather than
> some redneck who won't mind a little bumper tag between his
> cage or pickup and your two-wheeler. And make sure he knows
> who you are, so the penalty doesn't fall to the next innocent
> biker who happens along

God, you're thick, Larry. You based your whole email on the idea that I was
the one that blocked the cop. Jeez, read the emails more carefully if you're
going to write such long replies. Also, don't tell me how to ride. If I want
to endanger myself, that's up to me.

Thanks for your helpful contribution to the list.

Chris Weaver


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Subject: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond
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I fail to see how this fosters a double standard for cops: he said
yield to faster traffic, NOT faster LEOs.  Otherwise, 4 guys abreast
could drive 55 on the belt and completely screw traffic (not that this
doesn't happen.)  As for the namecalling, I fully agree that anyone who
drives at, let alone below the limit in the left lane without yielding
is a complete asshole.

Todd

--- Chris Weaver <chris_vtr@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Larry,
> 
> Real nice, dickhead. (Remember, you started the namecalling) How on
> earth
> would you be breaking the law by not yielding when you're already
> going the
> legal speed limit? It's guys like you who foster a double standard
> for the
> behavior of cops and make them feel like they're above the laws that
> they're
> sworn to uphold. No wonder so many people dislike them and no wonder
> I now
> dislike you. I guess in your mind, assualt with a deadly weapon is
> okay as
> long as a cop does it to give out "hints". You are such a fucking
> tool.
> 
> Chris Weaver
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Larry Larson <llarson@XXXXXX>
> To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 11:04 PM
> Subject: RE: A funny/scary story from across the pond
> 
> 
> > In Virginia, it's illegal to flash your high beams to indicate
> > you want to pass. It's also illegal to not yield to faster
> > traffic, regardless of how fast you *think* you're travelling.
> > When's the last time you had your speedo or cruise
> > control calibrated?
> >
> > You should probably consider yourself lucky you didn't
> > come up against one who'd give your rear fender a little
> > nudge -- just as a hint, of course.
> >
> > Don't tweak the bears, asshole. Jerks like you just
> > make it tougher for the rest of us.
> >
> > -- Larry
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Huh? Rt 355 is not an Interstate, or other "limited-access" highway. It is a 
surface street, with cross streets. Right turns and left turns are common. 
There is no "rule" about "keeping right, except to pass" on a road like 355.

>From: Larry Larson <llarson@XXXXXX>
>To: "DC Cycles" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
>Subject: Jerks and cops...Was: A funny/scary story from across the pond
>Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:50:01 -0400
>
[snip]
>... You're exactly the same as the Montgomery
>County jerks who cruise the left lane of 355 at some
>speed at or below the speed limit, and then write to the
>Post's Dr. Gridlock as though they deserve the Nobel Prize.
>
[snip]

Who's the jerk?

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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:08:13 -0500
Subject: Re: Wannabe Roadracer

How about renting a race bike? $150 to $200 a day. Or if you want to do this more often, buy a fractional share in the bike for the season like you do airplanes. It's a GS500E and you'll have a blast on it. It's light, nimble and not at all scary with only 43hp on tap. And while yes you will lose the drag races down the straights with the 600cc supersports it's IMO lots more fun to make that up in the next few turns. You're going to track days to learn how to ride, afterall, aren't you? Going like a streak of lighting in a straightline is so weak.

All I ask is that if you crash it, you pay for the parts to fix it. I do my own labor so you don't have to pay a shop to do the work for me. I also get my parts discounted than what you'd pay for here in the immediate N. VA region.

Doing up your own bike is going to cost you major $$$$ (1500 easy) if you're going to get fancy. But quite honestly you can take your street ride to the track and have all the fun you can handle. The question becomes do you want to run the chance of losing your only bike to a crash and the weeks of repairs. And further do you want to explore the limits of your stock configuration or do you want to see what a real race-bike is capable of? 

Shoot, I took my very^2 high milage HOnda Nighthawk 750 to the track on Monday. All I did was strip the lights off and put in the long overdue fork springs. Was great. But this is a bike that's cheap to fix, has lots of options at salvage yards etc. And no plastic. And I wouldn't cry too hard if I had an incident.

cycle Sport's day was fun if a little disorganized and short this last time. And I wish the A riders would quit crashing so much. Us newbies shouldn't get the real short end of the stick because of their fuck-up's.
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Well I agree. I certainly woudn't hang around in the left lane if the next
lane over is clear anyway. My point was just that I don't think it's
illegal. If you're a strict, follow every law to the T type, then it's
irrelevant, however, because you'd never come up behind such a person
anyway. The fact that the cop DID come up behind him proves the cop was
breaking the law previous to that. I have no respect for hypocritical cops -
If they're going to enforce idiotic speed limits, they deserve crap like
this.

Chris

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> As for the namecalling, I fully agree that anyone who
> drives at, let alone below the limit in the left lane without yielding
> is a complete asshole.



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>I fully agree that anyone who
>drives at, let alone below the limit in the left lane without yielding
>is a complete asshole.

Not to mention in violation of Virginia Code

Michael J.

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> Went to Summit Point last weekend and had a blast watching.  Now I'm ready 
to 
> hit my first track days.  Can anyone suggest which ones would be better and 
> when they are?  Also, I'm open to any suggestions anyone could pass along 
> that would be worth knowing as I'm starting out.

Pick up a copy of Keith Code's books.  Twist of the Wrist 1 & 2.  They are 
pretty much considered to be the bible when it comes to roadracing.  Once you 
get the basics down....then you can go on to other books with different 
riding techniques.
I would also recommend taking a class geared at improving high speed skills.
  
>  One question I've been pondering.  With minimal income, is it best to just 
> buy a used race bike or convert my current bike into one?  I've got a stock 
> CBRF3 and know it hasn't been dogged, but wouldn't it cost big bucks to get 
> it up to par?  I would definitely want to replace things like the 
suspension, 
> plastic, tires, exhaust, etc.  I read that it might be worth it to have 
> someone who knows what they're doing set the bike up and then as I learn 
deal 
> with more on my own?  Is a 600 even too big to start on?  I'm 6'1" and 210 
so 
> I don't imagine I would fit well with a 250.

But a used lightweight bike.  Since you mention being on a tight 
budget....this would get you the best bang for your buck.  Larger bore bikes 
cost more to maintain on a weekly (and crash) basis.  I would suggest you 
find a nice inexpensive FZR400 and go learn.  It will certainly be cheaper on 
tires.  They should last up to 3 weekends.  On my SV700 and/or YZF-R6 they 
last 1 weekend....and sometimes not even that long.  
  
>  How much money should I expect to put in to get me going?  Granted, this 
is 
> just a hobby to keep me off the streets away from all the cages, cops, and 
> pedestrians, but like Laura has said, I will get hooked and figure I might 
as 
> well do it right.  I have a friend who plans on getting into racing next 
> season so I can mooch off him with tools, trailering, etc.

Thousands.  Sorry....but that's the reality.  Leathers, Helmets, back 
protectors, boots, tires, gas, race bits for the bike, the bike itself, race 
entries, etc....it adds up quickly.  It gets even worse if you travel to 
tracks further away.  My racing partner and I figure at least $1,000 a 
weekend for tracks further than 1-2 hours.  And that's ONLY for the basics.  
(Tires, race gas, travel expenses, food, race entries, hotels, etc....)  If 
you wreck the costs go up exponentially.  I believe that I had a $15K + 
weekend last July due to a nasty wreck.  5K to basically replace the rear end 
of the R6, $1200 in basic weekend expenses, and another $10K plus in hospital 
bills.  (If you don't have medical insurance that's very good...you should 
NOT be on a track.)
  
>  Any tips would be appreciated!  Hope to meet some of you soon at the next 
> Bike Night or race weekend.

Let meknow if this helps.  I'm ALWAYS willing to help somebody get into the 
most addicting sport known to mankind!!!

Keener

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---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Chris Weaver" <chris_vtr@XXXXXX>
>How on earth
>would you be breaking the law by not yielding when you're already going the
>legal speed limit? It's guys like you who foster a double standard for the
>behavior of cops and make them feel like they're above the laws that they're
>sworn to uphold. 


No double standard necessary - here's the law:

M-' 46.2-842. Driver to give way to overtaking vehicle. 

Except when overtaking and passing on the right is permitted, the driver of an overtaken vehicle shall give way to the right in favor of the overtaking vehicle on audible signal and shall not increase the speed of his vehicle until completely passed by the overtaking vehicle. 

[source http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-842]

Chris Norloff




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Let me get this straight.  You can't use your high beams to signal your
intent to pass, you have to use your HORN?   Oh, that makes loads of
sense.

Todd


--- Chris Norloff <cnorloff@XXXXXX> wrote:
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> M-' 46.2-842. Driver to give way to overtaking vehicle.
> 
> Except when overtaking and passing on the right is permitted, the
> driver of an overtaken vehicle shall give way to the right in favor
> of the overtaking vehicle on audible signal and shall not increase
> the speed of his vehicle until completely passed by the overtaking
> vehicle.
> 
> [source http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-842]
> 
> Chris Norloff

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>In Virginia, it's illegal to flash your high beams to indicate
>you want to pass.

Wrong. Virginia law states otherwise. Don't believe me? Let's 
ask.....the CODE OF VIRGINIA! Law of the Land, come on down!

" M-' 46.2-842.1. Drivers to give way to certain overtaking vehicles on 
divided highways.

It shall be unlawful to fail to give way to overtaking traffic when 
driving a motor vehicle to the left and abreast of another motor 
vehicle on a divided highway. On audible or light signal, the driver 
of the overtaken vehicle shall move to the right to allow the 
overtaking vehicle to pass as soon as the overtaken vehicle can 
safely do so. A violation of this section shall not be construed as 
negligence per se in any civil action. "

Light signal? What ever could they mean? Maybe throwing low-fat food? 
That's "light" right? Or maybe they meant flashing your 
high-beams....ya think?


>It's also illegal to not yield to faster
>traffic,

This is true.

>Don't tweak the bears, asshole. Jerks like you just
>make it tougher for the rest of us.

No, jerks just make it tougher on themselves. You should know what 
that's like right about now, eh? I don't have anything against 
flaming people, or being flamed myself. But I don't believe in 
irresponsible flaming....like, flaming the WRONG PERSON. I think 
rank-amateurs need to sit back and observe before jumping into the 
fray.







-- 
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skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
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'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
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In a message dated 6/14/01 7:30:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
SMeredith@XXXXXX writes:

>   I enjoyed my time on the track, but it ticks me off that I did what
>  I was suppose to do to bail out of a bad situation just to be blind sided 
by
>  a stupid mud hole!  Just bad luck I guess.  Oh well, get the bike fixed and
>  sign up for the next track day!

Pick up a copy of Keith Code's Twist of the Wrist.  Believe it or not....most 
times you can actually make the turn.  The only thing holding you back are 
survival reactions.  (Tightening up on the bars, not steering, fixating on 
the place you don't want to go, etc.)  The books should help a lot.

Keener

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<Motorcycle is most commonly of the supersport (600 cc sportbike) class,
though there
has been a rash of squidious beemerfile recently [2 spotted in the last
week! what's up with that?].>

They're paid plants -- it's really a clandestine BMW marketing ploy, trying
to prove that not all beemer riders are old fart, iron butt types.  =8^P

Mark Neblett
Fairfax, VA
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'00 BMW K12LTC
'01 BMW R1150GS (hers, too!)
ex-'75 BMW R75/6
ex-'76 BMW R90/6
ex-'78 BMW R100/7
ex-'79 BMW R100S
ex-'00 BMW F650GS
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(see a pattern here?)

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Basic Rules for Driving in Northern VA


1.	Turn signals will give away your next move. A real
Northern VA driver never uses them.


2.	Under no circumstances should you leave a safe
distance between you and the car in front of you, or
the space will be filled in by somebody else, putting
you in an even more dangerous situation.


3.	Crossing two or more lanes in a single lane change
is considered going with the flow.


4.	The faster you drive through a red light, the
smaller the chance you have of getting hit.


5.	Never, ever come to a complete stop at a stop sign.
No one expects it and it will inevitably result in you
being rear-ended. If you want your insurance company
to pay for a new rear bumper, come to a complete stop
at all stop signs.


6.	A right lane construction closure is just a game to
see how many people can cut in line by passing you on
the right as you sit in the left lane waiting for the
same jerks to squeeze their way back in before hitting
the orange and white barricades.


7.	Braking is to be done as hard and late as possible
to ensure that your ABS kicks in, giving a nice,
relaxing foot massage as the brake pedal pulsates.    
 For those of you without ABS, itM-^Rs a chance to
stretch your legs.


8.	Never pass on the left when you can pass on the
right. ItM-^Rs a good way to scare people entering the
highway.


9.	Speed limits are arbitrary figures, given only as
suggestions and are apparently not enforceable in the
Northern VA area during rush hour.


10.	Just because youM-^Rre in the left lane and have no
room to speed up or move over doesnM-^Rt mean that a
Northern VA driver flashing his high beams behind you
doesnM-^Rt think he can go faster in your spot.


11.	Please remember that there is no such thing as a
shortcut during rush-hour traffic in Northern VA.


12.	Always slow down and rubberneck when you see an
accident or even someone changing a tire.


13.	Learn to swerve abruptly. Northern VA is the home
of high-speed slalom driving thanks to the VDOT, which
puts potholes in key locations to test driversM-^R
reflexes and keep them on their toes.


14.	It is traditional in Northern VA to honk your horn
at cars that donM-^Rt move the instant the light changes.


15.	Never take a green light at face value. Always
look right and left before proceeding.


16.	Remember that the goal of every Northern VA driver
is to get there first, by whatever means necessary.


17.	Real Northern VA female drivers can put on
pantyhose and apply eye makeup at seventy-five miles
per hour or in bumper-to-bumper traffic.


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I don't think these got posted yet.  The first says you have to move to the 
right for faster traffic.  Note that it specifically says that this is not 
relative to the speed limit, but rather the flow of traffic.


  M-' 46.2-804. Special regulations applicable on highways laned for traffic.
Statute text
Whenever any roadway has been divided into clearly marked lanes for traffic, 
drivers of vehicles shall obey the following:  
1. Any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the 
time and place and under the conditions existing, shall be driven in the lane 
nearest the right edge or right curb of the highway when such lane is 
available for travel except when overtaking and passing another vehicle or in 
preparation for a left turn or where right lanes are reserved for slow-moving 
traffic as permitted in this section;  


This one gives the rules for when you are allowed to pass on the right.

 M-' 46.2-841. When overtaking vehicle may pass on right.
Statute text
A.  The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass to the right of another 
vehicle only:  
1. When the overtaken vehicle is making or about to make a left turn, and its 
driver has given the required signal;  
2. On a highway with unobstructed pavement, not occupied by parked vehicles, 
of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving vehicles in each 
direction;  
3. On a one-way street or on any one-way roadway when the roadway is free 
from obstructions and of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving 
vehicles.  
B.  The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle on the 
right only under conditions permitting such movement in safety. Except where 
driving on paved shoulders is permitted by lawfully placed signs, no such 
movement shall be made by driving on the shoulder of the highway or off the 
pavement or main traveled portion of the roadway. 


Fred Grefe
GTS1000

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From: "William J. Huson (by way of Larry Larson <llarson@XXXXXX>)"

>But arry's bumper tagging plan is more than a ticket - I believe that could
be
>escalated to a felony charge, and it's also more than rude - it's freaky
>dangerous road ragious behavior.

Not a plan at all, just an oblique reference to the cop who killed the biker
recently in that well-publicized case -- where was it, South Carolina? -- by
simply crunching him against the center barrier.

-- Larry
,

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I must apologize. In light of the recent posts I realize that my comments are 
not appropriate without this ammendment.

Hey you bunch of lazy m-fers.  Why don't you take 2 seconds to look up the 
statutes before you start talking out your asses.  I realize that some of you 
aren't IT geeks, but through the magic of Google, you too can find your way 
around.  

Fred Grefe
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I don't think these got posted yet.  The first says you have to move to the=20
right for faster traffic.  Note that it specifically says that this is not=20
relative to the speed limit, but rather the flow of traffic.


  =A7 46.2-804. Special regulations applicable on highways laned for traffic=
.
Statute text
Whenever any roadway has been divided into clearly marked lanes for traffic,=
=20
drivers of vehicles shall obey the following: =20
1. Any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the=20
time and place and under the conditions existing, shall be driven in the lan=
e=20
nearest the right edge or right curb of the highway when such lane is=20
available for travel except when overtaking and passing another vehicle or i=
n=20
preparation for a left turn or where right lanes are reserved for slow-movin=
g=20
traffic as permitted in this section; =20


This one gives the rules for when you are allowed to pass on the right.

 =A7 46.2-841. When overtaking vehicle may pass on right.
Statute text
A.  The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass to the right of another=20
vehicle only: =20
1. When the overtaken vehicle is making or about to make a left turn, and it=
s=20
driver has given the required signal; =20
2. On a highway with unobstructed pavement, not occupied by parked vehicles,=
=20
of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving vehicles in each=20
direction; =20
3. On a one-way street or on any one-way roadway when the roadway is free=20
from obstructions and of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving=20
vehicles. =20
B.  The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle on the=20
right only under conditions permitting such movement in safety. Except where=
=20
driving on paved shoulders is permitted by lawfully placed signs, no such=20
movement shall be made by driving on the shoulder of the highway or off the=20
pavement or main traveled portion of the roadway.=20


Fred Grefe
GTS1000

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From: Dale Horstman <the.horkster@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: A funny/scary story from across the pond
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"William J. Huson" wrote:

> I think you're lucky the cop didn't pull you over for a slow, annoying
> inspection of your vehicle and papers along with a lecture on VAs keep right
> except when passing philosophy.

You know, on a semi-related note, it is really frustrating to see a 
"Student Driver" vehicle hogging the left hand lane.  Nothing like teaching
new drivers bad habits right from the get-go.  :(

Think I'd be guilty of road rage if I stopped the vehicle, and dragged
the instructor out of the passenger side window for a brief consultation?
Would a jury convict me?  :)

Horkster

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-I am not sure what is going on, but what I do know is that I
-plan on getting here earlier to make sure that I get a spot, and if not I
am
-going to try and park over at McPherson park

Hey!  Don't come over here clogging up our spaces with your ticketed ass!
:-)

Actually, they've started ticketing us too.  A co-worker just got one
because on the one side of the spaces, it's a bus zone.  Something like a
$75 fine??  Ouch.  We're full on nice days and I've had to park outside the
signs on many an occasion, but managed to escape the evil metermaids.

There is metered MC parking over on the NE corner of Lafayette Park on the
corner of H and Vermont that is NEVER used, or checked (for some reason?).
I've also parked there with no money and gotten no tickets.  I'm such a
scofflaw.

Mike 
'96 VFR

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sean Jordan (by way of Larry Larson <llarson@XXXXXX>)"
<sean.jordan@XXXXXX>
    But I don't believe in
    irresponsible flaming....like, flaming the WRONG PERSON. I think
    rank-amateurs need to sit back and observe before jumping into the
    fray.

Nor do I, and Chris Weaver hereby get a sincere apology from me. I messed up
in cutting-and-pasting in Hotmail from two emails trying to re-title and
take the legal discussion to a new thread.

As to Sean's "rank amateur's" crack, I've been an active participant in
Usenet-style flame wars since years before there was a Usenet.

Again, Chris, sorry for my error.

-- Larry





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>I must apologize. In light of the recent posts I realize that my comments are
>not appropriate without this ammendment.
>
>Hey you bunch of lazy m-fers.  Why don't you take 2 seconds to look up the
>statutes before you start talking out your asses.  I realize that some of you
>aren't IT geeks, but through the magic of Google, you too can find your way
>around.

Yes, YES! You guys are learning! Soon, very soon, DC-Cycles will be a 
real list again! Huzzah!



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On/Off Ramps (freeways): this one gets me.  Traffic seems to flow better
if the exiting vehicles (the one's needing to slow anyway) yield to
those entering (needing to accelerate to speed).  Yet it's posted and
learned the other way.  In this situation, I applaud the violators.
Drivers of the right lane should yield to traffic entering the
interstate, instead many speed up only to cut you off.

Bob
'97 VFR (4-sale)
'89 HawkGT


> 6.      A right lane construction closure is just a game to
> see how many people can cut in line by passing you on
> the right as you sit in the left lane waiting for the
> same jerks to squeeze their way back in before hitting
> the orange and white barricades.


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OK guys... this is a rant... but I think its deserved.

Before anyone criticizes anyone for doing "only" the speed limit on the 
Fairfax County Parkway... read this. The FCPW (and connecting 
Springfield-Franconia Parkway)may be one of the most dangerous roads built 
in the last 20 years. It runs less than a quarter mile from my house so I 
went to enough planning sessions to become a bit of an expert about it. 
Nobody should be doing more than the speed limit on this thing. I don't care 
what lane you are in or if some ass-wipe (cop or otherwise) is riding your 
ass. Its nuts. The Fairfax County Parkway is dangerous because it's a big, 
bad, nasty, political compromise. It should have been an interstate, but no 
one wants an interstate in their backyard anymore. It was built with county 
and private funds (unlike most every other road in VA), so it was built on 
the cheap.  This is a  road that has very spectacular (and deadly) accidents 
resulting from poorly marked stop lights, blind and poorly banked curves, 
stop lights on curves, stoplights at the bottom of steep inclines, short 
entry and exit ramps, and lots of cross traffic. Finally it was built to be 
over crowded almost from the year it opened.  The 50 MPH speed limit (itself 
a compromise) is too fast in some places and too slow in others.  People  
ride in the left lane to turn left and because there isn't enough room to 
pull into the right lane (someone's in the right lane all ready). Then add 
in the fact that the cops are all over this thing trying to get people to 
stop doing 60 - 75 mph or worse. I've seen nuts doing 75 mph on this road.  
Near Burke Lake at a stop light a few months ago some moron was doing "only" 
60 when he rear-ended a car at a light killing everyone.

This is NOT I-95, the B-W Parkway or even the G-W Parkway... this road is a 
glorified main street through residential and commercial areas, with a poor 
design and unpredictably heavy traffic. Between Pohick Road and Burke 50 MPH 
is too fast, but that is the speed limit. Being in the left lane and doing 
"only" 50 is par for the course.

I'm tired of idiots who think they should rule this road riding my ass at 50 
or 55 mph, no matter what lane I am in. I'd love it if they'd go kill 
themselves in another spectacular accident, but they'd most likely also take 
out someonee's wife and kids waiting at the next stoplight around the next 
blind curve.  SLOW DOWN. BACK OFF!!!! THIS ISN'T A CLOSED TRACK.


>From: MJordan666@XXXXXX
>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
>Subject: Re: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond
>Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:23:27 EDT
>
> >I fully agree that anyone who
> >drives at, let alone below the limit in the left lane without yielding
> >is a complete asshole.
>
>Not to mention in violation of Virginia Code
>
>Michael J.

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Hey all!
     First, sorry Chuck & Mark, Icouldn't make it to the last bike nite
because I was ........moving into my new house!!  Yea!  It's my first, 
American Dream, hook, line, & sinker, etc.

     Jordan, Anker, & Gimer flame war, love it.  The list was really getting
boring.  I've been on this list going on 3 yrs. now and I'm really getting
tired of the tire, oil, parking space/tix, etc threads.  A little trouble is
always fun.  Besides Gimer is always at his best after someone or something
has gotten under his skin.  </me read read read LOL read read "oh good word"
read read read>   

    Group Rides, MOFO's vs. DC Cycles.  I've had the privilage of riding
with both groups.  I've only been on the more recent (read last year) DC-C
rides and got to miss out on the early carnage that seemed to happen.  The
main difference is that because DC-C is a more public group, and is easier
to find, they will attract a more questionably skilled rider.  By the same
token this is also where those same riders will learn the skills that they
need to ride safely, both in groups and alone.  All in all there are riders
in both groups that are good solid riders.   I made the mistake last year of
leading a "mid paced"  ride.  I won't do that again for a long time for the
simple fact that I was intimiated by the riders right behind me.  I knew
they where far more skilled than me and so I rode fastere than I had planned
tring to keep it "interesting" for them.  In the end I just did excactly the
opposite.  I have ridden with the MOFO's on more than one occasion, and
given my druthers, would prefer to ride with them again.  The reason being
that the groups are smaller, and overall they are a more skilled bunch.  But
in the end both group serve a particular purpose, and satisfy a particular
need in in the motorcycling community. 

     That all being said it's time for new tires.  D205's?  The GPz is
550lbs.+ and I frequently ride 2 up.  The D207 were *really* nice but went
away too fast.  I've run MEz4's but they're a little hard for the farm road
bombing runs.  Ive given up trying to take weight off this pig and am saving
my pennies for a superhawk

/me crawls back under my rock 
   
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I feel the same way.  It'd  be nice if the DC/MD/VA region had the same traffic
laws and 1 strict driver certification program (driving instructors included).

Bob
'97 VFR (4-sale)
'89 HawkGT

Dale Horstman wrote:

> "William J. Huson" wrote:
>
> > I think you're lucky the cop didn't pull you over for a slow, annoying
> > inspection of your vehicle and papers along with a lecture on VAs keep right
> > except when passing philosophy.
>
> You know, on a semi-related note, it is really frustrating to see a
> "Student Driver" vehicle hogging the left hand lane.  Nothing like teaching
> new drivers bad habits right from the get-go.  :(
>
> Think I'd be guilty of road rage if I stopped the vehicle, and dragged
> the instructor out of the passenger side window for a brief consultation?
> Would a jury convict me?  :)
>
> Horkster
>
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Please remove me from the list.

I'm on 3 other motorcycling lists. They all have their digressions and 
tangents, but at least those lists are mainly about motorcycling. This list 
seems to be mainly a bunch of people picking fights with each other, describing 
their latest crash, or ranting about politics. 

FYI, out of 60143 total e-mail messages (work and personal) I've received since
Tue Aug 1 00:41:32 2000, dc-cycles consistently ranks the highest in volume of 
any list....with just over 9028 messages. I find it unbelievable and sad how 
little usable content, how little comraderie, and how few good spirits there 
are on the list. Frankly, the tone on the list has actively discouraged me from 
attending group rides and social events. 

I originally came from NYC, an area that's not known for it's hospitality or 
good riding. One of the things I miss about that area was a group called the 
"Sport Touring Motorcycle Club". Without having many rules or silly club 
requirements, I know that I could almost always get a good, fast, safe 200~400 
mile ride on any Sunday. Maybe the more limited riding season and slimmer 
choice of roads forced people to work harder. I'm consistently surprised at the 
lack of regular, informal rides here, and at the destinations (Skyline, 211) 
that seem most popular. I'm consistently surprised at the number of reported 
crashes and tickets. I'm really sorry that otherwise intelligent people don't 
know when to take idiotic threads off the list.

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> You know, on a semi-related note, it is really frustrating to see a 
> "Student Driver" vehicle hogging the left hand lane.  Nothing like teaching
> new drivers bad habits right from the get-go.  :(

I found it excrutiating funny that a student driver was yanked by the State Police last night somewhere on my way home. Probably wasn't going fast enough or something. Who knows. Still, what a way to start off. Maybe it was the instructor's idea to introduce them to 'Officer Friendly' in a benign environment. I wonder who got ticketed, the instructor or the student...Not something you see very often I dare say.

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>I'm tired of idiots who think they should rule this road riding my 
>ass at 50 or 55 mph, no matter what lane I am in. I'd love it if 
>they'd go kill themselves in another spectacular accident, but 
>they'd most likely also take out someonee's wife and kids waiting at 
>the next stoplight around the next blind curve.

I've taken FC Pkwy from Rt. 7 to Springfield, and I've never seen any 
section of road that had a corner so blind that you could't stop in 
time if you were paying attention. I think the people that are having 
accidents (regardless of speed) are probably the type of people the 
just shouldn't be driving. (Not that I advocate speeding or anything. 
Just relating my observations.)



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Doug,

It's tangential to your post, but how is your case against the "lane sharing
Lexus" shaping up?

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Allis <dhallis@XXXXXX>

> OK guys... this is a rant... but I think its deserved.
>
> Before anyone criticizes anyone for doing "only" the speed limit on the
> Fairfax County Parkway... read this. The FCPW (and connecting
> Springfield-Franconia Parkway)may be one of the most dangerous roads


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Not one I was on.

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Dale Horstman said:

You know, on a semi-related note, it is really frustrating to see a 
"Student Driver" vehicle hogging the left hand lane.  Nothing like teaching
new drivers bad habits right from the get-go.  :(

Think I'd be guilty of road rage if I stopped the vehicle, and dragged
the instructor out of the passenger side window for a brief consultation?
Would a jury convict me?  :)


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Mike,

Be careful with the metered spaces. I don't know how closely they check 'em, 
but a few years ago I got a $25.00 ticket at a metered MC space on I street, 
over near 20th. Basically, I was one quarter short and forgot to go back at 
lunchtime and top it off. Came out to find a $25.00 ticket stuck between my 
tank and seat. Meter drone got me somewhere between 5:00pm (when my time ran 
out) and 5:45pm (when I got back to the bike.)

Perry

>From: Michael Lynch <MLynch@XXXXXX>
>To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
>Subject: Parking Tickets
>Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:29:48 -0400
>
[snip]
>There is metered MC parking over on the NE corner of Lafayette Park on the
>corner of H and Vermont that is NEVER used, or checked (for some reason?).
>I've also parked there with no money and gotten no tickets.  I'm such a
>scofflaw.
>
>Mike
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Fair enough. I accept heartily.

Chris

----- Original Message ----- 
> Again, Chris, sorry for my error.
> 
> -- Larry



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Dexter Medley wrote:

> From: "William J. Huson (by way of Larry Larson <llarson@XXXXXX>)"
>
> >But arry's bumper tagging plan is more than a ticket - I believe that could
> be
> >escalated to a felony charge, and it's also more than rude - it's freaky
> >dangerous road ragious behavior.
>
> Not a plan at all, just an oblique reference to the cop who killed the biker
> recently in that well-publicized case -- where was it, South Carolina? -- by
> simply crunching him against the center barrier.
>
> -- Larry
> ,

Coulda been Tenn.  There's a town down thar that has splatted two motorcyclists
- one fatal - and one cage - also a fatal. - with run `em offa the road
tactics.  The town may have too disband their killer poo-leece department -
seems their liability insurance was canceled and not one insurance company is
willing to take them on.

Bill


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Hi y'all,

        All this talk about VDOT statutes had me wondering if Maryland
has it's laws posted in a user friendly fashion. After going up to Lake
George, NY for Americade, and seeing a bunch of Gold Wings all tricked
out with decorative lighting, I picked up a few for my Katana. Now I'm
wondering about the legalities relating to auxiliary lighting. Anyone
got a source?

Steven C. Di Pietro
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National Marketing Coordinator
Suzuki Owners Club USA
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From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" <stevied@XXXXXX>
>        All this talk about VDOT statutes had me wondering if Maryland
>has it's laws posted in a user friendly fashion. After going up to Lake
>George, NY for Americade, and seeing a bunch of Gold Wings all tricked
>out with decorative lighting, I picked up a few for my Katana. Now I'm
>wondering about the legalities relating to auxiliary lighting. Anyone
>got a source?

The Maryland gov't doesn't seem to have put any up
(http://www.mec.state.md.us/)
but Lexis-Nexis has:
http://www.michie.com/resources1.html

In general, anything not specifically allowed on motor vehicles is not allowed, including GoldWing fancy lighting.  Police stops are basically discretionary at that point.

Chris Norloff

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>14.    It is traditional in Northern VA to honk your horn
>at cars that donM-bM-^@M-^Yt move the instant the light changes.

That's what I like about the south - the relaxed pace of life.

In Noo Yawk City, they start honking as the opposing yellow starts to fade.

Michael J.


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I went all the way down to the NC border on the BRP last summer.  I believe 
it was ~8 hours to that point.  Little traffic, and I averaged 60 on the 
BRP.  No deer ;-)

I am anticipating that I may have to cut off the BRP to make it to 
Knoxville by 7:30.  I am allowing 12 hours - leaving at 6:30am and stopping 
in Gatlinburg.  81 to Knoxville is 7.5 hours going 80.  I'll do my best to 
make it ;-)

At 09:35 AM 6/14/01, Tom Gimer wrote:
> > I would like to go with you, but I probably shouldn't
> > since I'll be gone
> > all next weekend for the Hoot.  Anyone else interested in
> > riding down 6am
> > Thursday?  BRP all the way baby!  Yeah!
>
>dude....that is a LOOOONNNNGGGG trip on the brp.  it is
>very tough to make good time on that road.  averaging 60
>is, in my opinion, hauling arse.  realistically, it's a
>2-day trip to the end of it.  the last time todd p. and i
>tried this (en route to deals gap), we had to jump off and
>slab for 100+ miles to meet our scheduled arrival time.
>you should prepare a backup route or be ready to do so.

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Subject: RE: Wannabe Roadracer

Since it came up, let me clarify.

> Matt - are you saying you'd rent your race bike for a day?  Or you're only selling shares? 

Both actually. If I figure say $400 for a share, and you use the bike 3 times in a season you're ahead of having rented it. share owners get precedence if there are scheduling conflicts.
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From: Dale Horstman <the.horkster@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: printed by VDOT(maybe:))
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Trey Herb wrote:

> 14.     It is traditional in Northern VA to honk your horn
> at cars that donM-^Rt move the instant the light changes.

On one of my recent trips to work, I was fuming at
a left-lane hogger that was going at or below the
speed limit on the Prince William Parkway.  There
were cars in the right lane that he was "attempting"
to pass, so there was no way around this idiot.

Anyway, we stopped at a light, and when it turned
green, a big truck in front of him took maybe one-half
second to react to the light.  This yahoo was 
on his horn like he was in a hurry or something.
Incredible!  The sheer irony of it had me laughing 
the rest of the way to work...  :)  It was either
laugh or cry at that point.

Horkster

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>From: "Pflieger, Matthew M." 
>To: "'MJordan666@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX
>Subject: RE: Squids?
>Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:30:56 -0400
>
>4.  Purchase as much leather as possible without
>succumbing to actual
>protection, i.e. chaps, vest, tassels

Are you claiming that chaps offer no protection? 
Granted, they are worthless without a jacket to go
along with them, but some of us are concerned with
abrasion protection for our legs as well.  That being
the case, chaps are much easier to put on over dress
pants on the way to work in the morning than full
pants.

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To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, "D.C.Cycles-L" <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>,
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http://www.findlaw.com is also a relatively good FREE
source for state and federal statutes (they are NOT,
however, kept as current as fee-based platforms like
westlaw or lexis)




--- Chris Norloff <cnorloff@XXXXXX> wrote:
> ---------- Original Message
> ----------------------------------
> From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" <stevied@XXXXXX>
> >        All this talk about VDOT statutes had me
> wondering if Maryland
> >has it's laws posted in a user friendly fashion. After
> going up to Lake
> >George, NY for Americade, and seeing a bunch of Gold
> Wings all tricked
> >out with decorative lighting, I picked up a few for my
> Katana. Now I'm
> >wondering about the legalities relating to auxiliary
> lighting. Anyone
> >got a source?
> 
> The Maryland gov't doesn't seem to have put any up
> (http://www.mec.state.md.us/)
> but Lexis-Nexis has:
> http://www.michie.com/resources1.html

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Jeremy,

Chaps are great to protect your legs from stuff getting flung up, or to keep 
brush and brambles from scraping you when you ride your horse into a tight 
spot.

As for motorcycling, they don't offer any protection to one of the more 
delicate, and protuberant, spots of anatomy - namely, your keister. As 
someone who has had the dubious pleasure of parting company with my bike at 
about 30-40 mph and sliding a ways on my tushie, I can attest to the value 
of having something other than just a pair of dress pants between my 
derriere and the highway. Had I been wearing chaps instead of armoured 
riding pants, I'd probably be sitting on skin grafts right now, instead of 
cute (I've been told,) smooth, all original butt skin.

For cool weather riding, I use the Hein Gericke/First Gear overpants 
(armoured, waterproof, textile.) For warm weather riding, I use the First 
Gear summer sport tour overpants (perfed leather.) My next purchase, as soon 
as I lose an inch or so from the waist, is a pair of "dedicated" armoured, 
leather riding pants. The overpants are great for commuting, but I'd like 
something a little more serious for more aggressive backroad riding.

Chaps do look cool, though. And I've heard that they're popular in certain 
bars and clubs around Dupont Circle. Not that there's anything wrong with 
that! ;^)

Perry

>From: Jeremy Purdy <purdyjeremy@XXXXXX>
>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
>Subject: RE: Squids
>Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:37:06 -0700 (PDT)
>
> >From: "Pflieger, Matthew M."
> >To: "'MJordan666@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> >Subject: RE: Squids?
> >Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:30:56 -0400
> >
> >4.  Purchase as much leather as possible without
> >succumbing to actual
> >protection, i.e. chaps, vest, tassels
>
>Are you claiming that chaps offer no protection?
>Granted, they are worthless without a jacket to go
>along with them, but some of us are concerned with
>abrasion protection for our legs as well.  That being
>the case, chaps are much easier to put on over dress
>pants on the way to work in the morning than full
>pants.
>
>Jeremy Purdy
>'00 Yamaha V-Star - Jeade'en
>
>

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Subject: racing classification descriptions

I've looked at the ccs and wera sites and can't find the defintions of all these bike classes. Where do they hide that information?
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I know a few DC Cycles folks are looking for IT work, so I thought I would 
broadcast this position here before we advertise it in the Post.

I am looking for a junior systems administrator to take over some of my 
on-site clients (Potomac, MD and NW DC).  80% of your time would be spent 
in the office doing a wide variety of sysadmin stuff - client 
troubleshooting, NT server maintenance, some web work (maybe a LOT if you 
are good at it), etc.  The office is fairly small (12 people) but the 
company has employees in offices in San Diego, Honolulu and Orlando - plus 
several contact sites including Quantico.  Yes - I have had to go to these 
offices to work a few times - and you may too.  The flight to Hawaii is 
verrrrry long.

I need someone with an MCSE - Win2k preferred, some linux (I will instruct 
and get you to a semi-expert level if necessary), broad client and LAN 
troubleshooting experience and reliable transportation.  Our clients are 
mostly Windoze - couple of Macs, and the majority of the servers are Linux 
(RH 7.1).  We have a 5.5 Mb Internet connection in Reston, and a 100Gb 
fibre link is going in at the end of the summer.

The position hasn't been officially released yet, so I can't guarantee a 
salary.  I can tell you that mid to upper 30s is the starting point, with 
more for experience.  Don't quote me - it isn't official.

No cubes - you get your own window office, free parking, Kaiser, dental, 
401k, etc.

The company does communications engineering, and has been in business since 
1987.  Half the business does telephony - teleport work with Satellites and 
switch maintenance (Hawaii) for the government.  My half does Internet 
services - with some crossover into the Satellite arena.

If you - or any motorcycle riding friends - are interested, email me the 
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In a message dated 6/14/01 3:38:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
pattonme@XXXXXX writes:

> I've looked at the ccs and wera sites and can't find the defintions of all 
> these bike classes. Where do they hide that information?

Uh...in the rulebook.  Sometimes you need to be a lawyer to figure them 
out....but they are there.

CCS 

http://www.formulausa.com/forms/2001SFXRuleBook1.pdf

WERA

http://www.formulausa.com/forms/2001SFXRuleBook1.pdf

Any questions?

Keener

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WERA
http://www.wera.com/pages/rulebook.htm

CCS
http://www.formulausa.com/forms/2001SFXRuleBook1.pdf

AMA

Ha! You've probably got a little ways to go before you're ready for that.

:P

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--- Chris Weaver <chris_vtr@XXXXXX> wrote:
> breaking the law previous to that. I have no respect
> for hypocritical cops -
> If they're going to enforce idiotic speed limits,
> they deserve crap like
> this.
> 
> Chris


You assume all cops enforce idiotic speed limits. You
may not realize this but cops are people just like
everyone else. They realize nobody does 55mph on 495.
Most departments have a policy of NOT ticketing unless
the violator is traveling at least 10 or 15 mph over
the limit.

So if you see a cop moving along at 65mph on I66, they
are not being hypocritical, just realistic.

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Todd Withrow wrote:

> --- Chris Weaver <chris_vtr@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > breaking the law previous to that. I have no respect
> > for hypocritical cops -
> > If they're going to enforce idiotic speed limits,
> > they deserve crap like
> > this.
> >
> > Chris
>
> You assume all cops enforce idiotic speed limits. You
> may not realize this but cops are people just like
> everyone else. They realize nobody does 55mph on 495.
> Most departments have a policy of NOT ticketing unless
> the violator is traveling at least 10 or 15 mph over
> the limit.
>
> So if you see a cop moving along at 65mph on I66, they
> are not being hypocritical, just realistic.

Agreed.  All my interstate tickets were in the 80s, save for one on 385 in Arlington for 70,
but the trooper cut me a few MPH slack.  I've blown radar setups at 10 over and not been
stopped.  Must be my innocent face...

Bill


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In a message dated 6/14/2001 1:22:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
mike@XXXXXX writes:

> I am anticipating that I may have to cut off the BRP to make it to 
>  Knoxville by 7:30.

If this is a Been There Done That for you then ignore the following.
Remember that the BRP ends in Cherokee, not Knoxville. You will then have to 
ride over the Smoky Mountains National Park (Slow in tourist season.) And 
drive quite a few miles after that to get to Knoxville. It is all nice 
riding, but slow.


John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC

Honda ST1100X Pan European
    (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.)
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From: Leon Begeman <mriderleon@XXXXXX>
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--- Todd Withrow <mtwithrow@XXXXXX> wrote:
> You assume all cops enforce idiotic speed limits.

> Most departments have a policy of NOT ticketing
> unless
> the violator is traveling at least 10 or 15 mph over
> the limit.
> 
> So if you see a cop moving along at 65mph on I66,
> they
> are not being hypocritical, just realistic.

BS, they're being hypocritical.  The cops' job is to
enforce the law.  If they believed in what they are
doing, they would do something about it.

If they truly believe that the speed limit should be
60 or 65 or faster on these roads, they can, and
should do something about it.  I have NEVER heard of a
cop requesting that someone be fined for exceeding the
speed limit by 3 mph after being ticketed for 68 in a
55.

I have never heard of an officer on the beltway
stating something to the effect of the speed limit
here is 55, but since the de facto speed is 70, you
should not drive faster than that.  You were going 79,
that was 9 mph faster than you should have been going,
Instead of writing you up for reckless driving, you're
getting a ticket for 64 in a 55.  

The best I could get an officer to admit was that he
wouldn't give me a ticket for 56 in a 55.  When I
asked how fast I would be allowed to go, he repeated
that the speed limit is 55.  That's hypocrisy.  If
they would ticket EVERYONE who goes 56 or faster, the
speed limit would be raised, people wouldn't put up
with that and would demand something be changed. The
cops don't want the speed limit raised, they want to
be allowed to choose who to ticket and let others go.

The cop is the representative of government who
enforces the law.  Just as the soldier is the
representative of the federal government when he is
deployed overseas.  Anything a soldier does reflects
on the US government, anything the cop does or fails
to do reflects on the government he represents.  If
he's going to be a cop then he DAMN WELL HAD BETTER
OBEY THE LAW TO THE LETTER.  If he isn't willing to do
that then he needs to get a different job.

Leon.






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Aaron,

I am gonna ride out I-66 to 29, then take 211 over to Luray Caverns on
Saturday.  So I will be out in Fairfax about 9am.  I just need to be at
the caverns at 11am.  Let me know if ya want to take that ride, or are
going that direction.

Thad

E-mail me back: tgroghan@XXXXXX


On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 06:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Tom Gimer <t_gimer@XXXXXX>
writes:
> --- Troutman <mike@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > At 10:10 PM 6/13/2001, Aaron Ward wrote:
> > >Anyway, if anybody is interested, let me know.  I live
> > near the 
> > >Vienna/Fairfax metro station (last stop on the orange
> > line, exit 62 on 
> > >I-66), and I can meet there in the motorcycle parking
> > area before heading 
> > >down 66 to Front Royal.  I would say tentatively to meet
> > there at 9:30am, 
> > >but if that is too late/early I can follow up with
> > another email having 
> > >the general consensus of what time to meet.
> > 
> > 66 to Front Royal!  Ouch!  At least take 55 from
> > Gainesville.  Or head out 
> > the VA By-way from Warrenton and join Skyline at 211.
> 
> no shit.  and the author should also know that skyline
> turns into the brp at ~charlottesville and becomes a much
> more enjoyable road (less traffic, higher speed limit).
> 
> 
> 
> > I would like to go with you, but I probably shouldn't
> > since I'll be gone 
> > all next weekend for the Hoot.  Anyone else interested in
> > riding down 6am 
> > Thursday?  BRP all the way baby!  Yeah!
> 
> dude....that is a LOOOONNNNGGGG trip on the brp.  it is
> very tough to make good time on that road.  averaging 60
> is, in my opinion, hauling arse.  realistically, it's a
> 2-day trip to the end of it.  the last time todd p. and i
> tried this (en route to deals gap), we had to jump off and
> slab for 100+ miles to meet our scheduled arrival time. 
> you should prepare a backup route or be ready to do so.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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At 04:35 PM 6/14/01, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote:
>If this is a Been There Done That for you then ignore the following.
>Remember that the BRP ends in Cherokee, not Knoxville. You will then have to
>ride over the Smoky Mountains National Park (Slow in tourist season.) And
>drive quite a few miles after that to get to Knoxville. It is all nice
>riding, but slow.

Actually - we are staying in Gatlinburg (in the Smokies) so that is my 
first stop to drop off luggage then head out to Knoxville.

 From Tom's advice, we are going to NOT try and make it all the way down 
the BRP in the 12 hours I have allotted.  Doesn't sound possbile.  We're 
going to superslab it just before the BRP dogs South to save some time.



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          '97 Honda VFR 750
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From: Dale Horstman <the.horkster@XXXXXX>
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"William J. Huson" wrote:

> I've blown radar setups at 10 over and not been
> stopped.  Must be my innocent face...

10 over is a nice, comfortable pace to maintain on the
interstate if you are trying to make time.  Especially
down in North Carolina, where the speed limits are marked
at 70 mph in places.  Wooowhee!  :^)

-- 
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In a message dated 6/14/2001 4:51:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
mike@XXXXXX writes:

> From Tom's advice, we are going to NOT try and make it all the way down 
>  the BRP in the 12 hours I have allotted. 

It was good advice. ENJOY!
To those who have not been there one more word... Be careful entering tunnels 
with a dark shield or sunglasses on, you will not be able to see a damn 
thing. Lots of fun in a curving tunnel.


John Walters (Long John)
PenguinBiker@XXXXXX
Up near DC

Honda ST1100X Pan European
    (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.)
BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles
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It's simple really - in motorcycle accidents it has been shown, time and
time again (please don't make me look this up but I've seen it written and
"performed") that rider's legs usually injure in the ass and/or knees area.
That is why many riderware that is honed towards safety rather than style is
often strengthened in those areas.
Look at race equipment. Look at Draggin Jeans (and similar) - these have
Kevlar only in the ass and knee areas.

Niv
BMW F650ST

>From: Jeremy Purdy <purdyjeremy@XXXXXX>
>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
>Subject: RE: Squids
>Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:37:06 -0700 (PDT)
>
> >From: "Pflieger, Matthew M."
> >To: "'MJordan666@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> >Subject: RE: Squids?
> >Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:30:56 -0400
> >
> >4.  Purchase as much leather as possible without
> >succumbing to actual
> >protection, i.e. chaps, vest, tassels
>
>Are you claiming that chaps offer no protection?
>Granted, they are worthless without a jacket to go
>along with them, but some of us are concerned with
>abrasion protection for our legs as well.  That being
>the case, chaps are much easier to put on over dress
>pants on the way to work in the morning than full
>pants.
>
>Jeremy Purdy
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She convicted of "improper driving", and had to pay a $200.00 fine plus 
"court costs".  She got what she deserved.


>From: "Paul Wilson" <pawilson@XXXXXX>
>To: "Doug Allis" <dhallis@XXXXXX>, <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
>Subject: Re: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the pond
>Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:16:59 -0400
>
>Doug,
>
>It's tangential to your post, but how is your case against the "lane 
>sharing
>Lexus" shaping up?
>
>Paul in DC
>95 VFR750F
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Doug Allis <dhallis@XXXXXX>
>
> > OK guys... this is a rant... but I think its deserved.
> >
> > Before anyone criticizes anyone for doing "only" the speed limit on the
> > Fairfax County Parkway... read this. The FCPW (and connecting
> > Springfield-Franconia Parkway)may be one of the most dangerous roads
>

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--- "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX> wrote:
> 
> Agreed.  All my interstate tickets were in the 80s,
> save for one on 385 in Arlington for 70,
> but the trooper cut me a few MPH slack.  I've blown
> radar setups at 10 over and not been
> stopped.  Must be my innocent face...
> 
> Bill
> 

The caveat is a school zone. You damn well better slow
down for the young ones. No slack will be cut there.

Todd W.

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Jeremy, you might want to check out First Gear's sport
touring pants.  They unzip all the way up and you can
put them on over your pants and shoes.  I love them! 
:-)

- Jeannette
  '86 VFR 700 F2
  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

> >From: Jeremy Purdy <purdyjeremy@XXXXXX>
> >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> >Subject: RE: Squids
> >Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:37:06 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Are you claiming that chaps offer no protection?
> >Granted, they are worthless without a jacket to go
> >along with them, but some of us are concerned with
> >abrasion protection for our legs as well.  That
> being
> >the case, chaps are much easier to put on over
> dress
> >pants on the way to work in the morning than full
> >pants.
> >
> >Jeremy Purdy
> >'00 Yamaha V-Star - Jeade'en
> 
> 
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It's still hypocritical. When you're in a job to enforce laws, you must
first obey these laws yourself. Like Leon said - as you describe it, cops
make a choice on who to pull over, and it isn't based solely on the offense.
BTW - I don't have a blind hatred of cops, just a frustration with some of
the things they get away with.
I've seen cops drive 85 mph on 270 and 95. As far as I understand the law -
that's illegal unless they have their police lights on.

I've toyed with the idea of fighting a speeding ticket by following that cop
around with a calibrated speedo and video camera  to show the court and
claim that he/she has no business enforcing laws they don't/can't follow.
Remember - in court its the cop's word against yours: They will claim they
clocked you at a certain speed. If they don't follow the law why should
their word be any better than yours ?

Niv
BMW F650ST

--- Todd Withrow <mtwithrow@XXXXXX> wrote:
> You assume all cops enforce idiotic speed limits.

> Most departments have a policy of NOT ticketing
> unless
> the violator is traveling at least 10 or 15 mph over
> the limit.
>
> So if you see a cop moving along at 65mph on I66,
> they
> are not being hypocritical, just realistic.



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--- Leon Begeman <mriderleon@XXXXXX> wrote:
> The cop is the representative of government who
> enforces the law.  Just as the soldier is the
> representative of the federal government when he is
> deployed overseas.  Anything a soldier does reflects
> on the US government, anything the cop does or fails
> to do reflects on the government he represents.  If
> he's going to be a cop then he DAMN WELL HAD BETTER
> OBEY THE LAW TO THE LETTER.  If he isn't willing to
> do
> that then he needs to get a different job.
> 
> Leon.
> 

Hey nice rant. Feel better? Guess what? The letter of
the law states that I have "discretion". I don't have
to ticket you for 56 in a 55. That is stupid. While I
agree that the limits are too low, I am not going to
be a one man citizen advocacy group for speed limit
adjustment by pissing off citizens and my bosses by
writing bullshit tickets. If you want me to enforce
the LETTER of the law, and not the SPIRIT, then give
me your address. I gurantee I can spot several
violation on your car without it even moving.

I find it incredible that you WANT officers to be
dicks instead of realistic. There is a real easy way
to ensure that officers enforce the letter of the law
with you. Get a bumper sticker that says "FUCK COPS".
Then you will be real happy when you get ticketed for
36 in a 35.

Todd W.

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"improper driving" is what every individual charged with
"reckless driving" wants to be convicted of (in other
words, clients and lawyers are aiming for a reduction to
"improper" or a dismissal).  it's a very vague charge,
carrying little weight with insurance companies or the
point system.  as far as the fine....she did get at least,
if not more, than she "deserved."  $200 is significantly
more than most people convicted of that offense pay
(usually ~$50 plus costs).  and, if i remember correctly,
that is the starting point for a reckless driving fine. 
was she represented by counsel?

honest question here: was it worth the trouble?



--- Doug Allis <dhallis@XXXXXX> wrote:
> She convicted of "improper driving", and had to pay a
> $200.00 fine plus "court costs".  She got what she 
> deserved.
> 
> 
> >From: "Paul Wilson" <pawilson@XXXXXX>
> >To: "Doug Allis" <dhallis@XXXXXX>,
> <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> >Subject: Re: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story
> from across the pond
> >Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:16:59 -0400
> >
> >Doug,
> >
> >It's tangential to your post, but how is your case
> against the "lane >sharing Lexus" shaping up?

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>I've taken FC Pkwy from Rt. 7 to Springfield, and I've never seen any
>section of road that had a corner so blind that you could't stop in
>time if you were paying attention. I think the people that are having
>accidents (regardless of speed) are probably the type of people the
>just shouldn't be driving. (Not that I advocate speeding or anything.
>Just relating my observations.)

I agree, anyone with a drivers license SHOULD be paying enough attention to 
avoid problems, but most people are not really paying attention and they are 
the ones going 65 MPH. Beware the the light at Burke Lake (or (Center) 
Parkway is a notorious problem esp at night.
The intersection with Rt 29 had to be "redesigned" twice.
The northbound curve just north of 123 is insufficently banked.
Pay attention to the section between the South Run Rec Center and 
Pohick/Hoose Rd: the South Run and Huntsman Blvd lights are hidden just 
enough so that if you are NOT paying attentio you can get into trouble and 
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--- Todd Withrow <mtwithrow@XXXXXX> wrote:
> 
> --- Leon Begeman <mriderleon@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > The cop is the representative of government who
> > enforces the law.  Just as the soldier is the
> > representative of the federal government when he is
> > deployed overseas.  Anything a soldier does reflects
> > on the US government, anything the cop does or fails
> > to do reflects on the government he represents.  If
> > he's going to be a cop then he DAMN WELL HAD BETTER
> > OBEY THE LAW TO THE LETTER.  If he isn't willing to
> > do
> > that then he needs to get a different job.
> > 
> > Leon.
> > 
> 
> Hey nice rant. Feel better? Guess what? The letter of
> the law states that I have "discretion". I don't have
> to ticket you for 56 in a 55. That is stupid. While I
> agree that the limits are too low, I am not going to
> be a one man citizen advocacy group for speed limit
> adjustment by pissing off citizens and my bosses by
> writing bullshit tickets. If you want me to enforce
> the LETTER of the law, and not the SPIRIT, then give
> me your address. I gurantee I can spot several
> violation on your car without it even moving.

are you a betting man?  i've got $50 that says leon owns no
car for you to inspect.  he is one hard-core motorcyclist.

i am thankful that most police officers enforce the spirit
of the law as opposed to the letter of it.  however, i have
SERIOUS problems with the discretion given to the police
under many statutes.  reckless driving in virginia comes
immediately to mind.





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--- rydin <rydin@XXXXXX> wrote:
> I've toyed with the idea of fighting a speeding ticket by
> following that cop
> around with a calibrated speedo and video camera  to show
> the court and
> claim that he/she has no business enforcing laws they
> don't/can't follow.
> Remember - in court its the cop's word against yours:
> They will claim they
> clocked you at a certain speed. If they don't follow the
> law why should
> their word be any better than yours ?

"objection: relevance."

"sustained."




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--- rydin <rydin@XXXXXX> wrote:
> It's still hypocritical. When you're in a job to
> enforce laws, you must
> first obey these laws yourself. Like Leon said - as
> you describe it, cops
> make a choice on who to pull over, and it isn't
> based solely on the offense.
> BTW - I don't have a blind hatred of cops, just a
> frustration with some of
> the things they get away with.
> I've seen cops drive 85 mph on 270 and 95. As far as
> I understand the law -
> that's illegal unless they have their police lights
> on.
> 
> I've toyed with the idea of fighting a speeding
> ticket by following that cop
> around with a calibrated speedo and video camera  to
> show the court and
> claim that he/she has no business enforcing laws
> they don't/can't follow.
> Remember - in court its the cop's word against
> yours: They will claim they
> clocked you at a certain speed. If they don't follow
> the law why should
> their word be any better than yours ?
> 
> Niv
> BMW F650ST
> 

I agree that an officer should not be speeding.
Speeding to me is exceeding the flow of traffic. I
have seen a DOD police van speeding down 495 weaving
in and out. Had I been in a cruiser, I would have
pulled him over. Cops don't have a license to speed.
You are right that some do. There is no excuse to
abuse the power that a marked car gives you just to
get home or to a meal faster.

However, don't assume that every cruiser moving above
the speed limit without lights is doing so for
personal reasons. In some situations, you can respond
to a call faster without lights and sirens. Many
people freak out and stop right in front of you when
your emergency equipment is activated. When you have
light traffic, that slows you down. You are better off
just moving through the traffic without equipment. If
it is your life on the line, I am sure you want us
there quickly.

Todd W. 

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--- Tom Gimer <t_gimer@XXXXXX> wrote:

> 
> are you a betting man?  i've got $50 that says leon
> owns no
> car for you to inspect.  he is one hard-core
> motorcyclist.
> 
> i am thankful that most police officers enforce the
> spirit
> of the law as opposed to the letter of it.  however,
> i have
> SERIOUS problems with the discretion given to the
> police
> under many statutes.  reckless driving in virginia
> comes
> immediately to mind.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> =====
> tg

I can understand that. Drunk in Public is another
catch all charge.

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>"improper driving" is what every individual charged with
>"reckless driving" wants to be convicted of (in other
>words, clients and lawyers are aiming for a reduction to
>"improper" or a dismissal).  it's a very vague charge,
>carrying little weight with insurance companies or the
>point system.  as far as the fine....she did get at least,
>if not more, than she "deserved."  $200 is significantly
>more than most people convicted of that offense pay
>(usually ~$50 plus costs).  and, if i remember correctly,
>that is the starting point for a reckless driving fine.
>was she represented by counsel?
>
No she was not.  She was clueless. In fact she showed up late and almost got 
herself a "failure to appear" conviction.  The judge had even pronounced 
sentence (30 days) when the court room door opened up and she rushed in 
all-in-a-huff.

>honest question here: was it worth the trouble?
>
OH YES!  It all made for a very amusing morning. She got herself quite a 
lecture from the judge, she had to part with over $200.00, was obviously 
losing pay for every minute we were there (almost 4 hours), and had to pay 
for parking!  She was not a happy camper.

I got to watch her stupid dumb ass face when she realized that the judge 
might actually take her license (deer in headlights -- lookout!). I got the 
morning off with pay. I didn't have to pay for parking because I was a 
witness to a crime. I highly recommend the procedure to anyone who gets run 
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Oops - meant to send this to the list (Sean must think I'm a rookie now...)


-----Original Message-----
From: rydin [mailto:rydin@XXXXXX]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 5:44 PM
To: 'Tom Gimer'
Subject: RE: Left Lane LEOs WAS: A funny/scary story from across the
pond


Hey Tom - I never said it would work - hence the "toying".
In court this seems irrelevant, to me this is simple logic: The basic
premise seems usually that the cop's word is better than mine. Maybe it's
because of the job, the badge, maybe the screening that goes with it, but
most probably because it's easier for the system to work this way.
I believe that for the cop's word to have more weight than mine, he needs to
be held to the standards he's hired to uphold.
I believe in giving police discretion: Not EVERYTHING can be predicted and
phrased in to law, not to mention having officers trying to memorize all
this (though I do see abuses of this discretion).

However, the officer needs to be on the "holier" side of the law - if that
is what he/she does, then they're not hypocrites.

The thing is - I hate hypocrisy !

Niv
BMW F650ST

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 2:27 PM
To: rydin; 'DC Cycles'
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--- rydin <rydin@XXXXXX> wrote:
> I've toyed with the idea of fighting a speeding ticket by
> following that cop
> around with a calibrated speedo and video camera  to show
> the court and
> claim that he/she has no business enforcing laws they
> don't/can't follow.
> Remember - in court its the cop's word against yours:
> They will claim they
> clocked you at a certain speed. If they don't follow the
> law why should
> their word be any better than yours ?

"objection: relevance."

"sustained."




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It's still hypocritical. When you're in a job to enforce laws, you must
first obey these laws yourself. Like Leon said - as you describe it,
cops
make a choice on who to pull over, and it isn't based solely on the
offense.
BTW - I don't have a blind hatred of cops, just a frustration with some
of
the things they get away with.
I've seen cops drive 85 mph on 270 and 95. As far as I understand the
law -
that's illegal unless they have their police lights on.

		Good point, but it's a double edged sword.  On one hand, I'm glad
they're not screwing with me & holding beltway traffic to 55.  OTOH, it
IS a violation of law that no jurisdiction will prosecute for a cop to
speed without lights & siren (when not on an emergency call that
requires stealth).



I've toyed with the idea of fighting a speeding ticket by following that
cop
around with a calibrated speedo and video camera  to show the court and
claim that he/she has no business enforcing laws they don't/can't
follow.

		Cops get real nervous and highly pissed when you do that.  I tailed
(what I believe to be) an FBI agent after he tailgated me at 90, then
passed me.  When we got stopped at the Accokeek light, I invited him to
step outside, he declined.  I've also had them pull onto the shoulder &
try to get in behind me.  That happened once, the 2nd time, when they
did that, I got hard on the brakes, blocking him on the shoulder &
leaving him there in rush hour traffic.  I guess he couldn't get though
all that traffic to catch back up before I exited...  oh well.


Remember - in court its the cop's word against yours: They will claim
they
clocked you at a certain speed. If they don't follow the law why should
their word be any better than yours ?

			Don't screw with them on the street, it's pointless, they're armed,
have the State on their side, have bottomless lawyer funds.  If you see
one truly behaving like a F*ckwit, get the date, time, car # and plate.
Call into the station and report them.  You can file a paper complaint,
but regardless, they can't be issued tickets unless they've p.o.'d
another jurisdiction (i.e PG co.  in Fairfax, for shooting the college
kid).



Dave Yates
'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
'97 Cobra #5148
http://www.radix.net/~sdave/





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From: Dale Horstman <the.horkster@XXXXXX>
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Doug Allis wrote:
> 
> >honest question here: was it worth the trouble?
> >
> OH YES!  It all made for a very amusing morning. She got herself quite a
> lecture from the judge, she had to part with over $200.00, was obviously
> losing pay for every minute we were there (almost 4 hours), and had to pay
> for parking!  She was not a happy camper.
> 
> I got to watch her stupid dumb ass face when she realized that the judge
> might actually take her license (deer in headlights -- lookout!). I got the
> morning off with pay. I didn't have to pay for parking because I was a
> witness to a crime. I highly recommend the procedure to anyone who gets run
> off the road.  Revenge was fun.

Good for you sticking it to her like that.  Bet it was sweet.
Maybe she even learned something.

Horkster

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Hey nice rant. Feel better? Guess what? The letter of
the law states that I have "discretion".

		Where is that? (where does it say you have discretion, that is) ?

 I don't have
to ticket you for 56 in a 55. That is stupid. While I
agree that the limits are too low, I am not going to
be a one man citizen advocacy group for speed limit
adjustment by pissing off citizens and my bosses by
writing bullshit tickets. If you want me to enforce
the LETTER of the law, and not the SPIRIT, then give
me your address. I gurantee I can spot several
violation on your car without it even moving.


		Agreed.  Traffic code is ridiculous in it's entirety.  NOBODY, not
even a cop, can go 10 miles on any public street without violating a
traffic law.  It's not really the cop's fault, it's the voter's fault.
Check out my latest Rant on my webpage.  Each & every one of us could've
lobbied for more reasonable speed limits, but I venture to say, not one
of us has.  So the legislators, wanting to look busy, and like they're
'making it safe for the children', pass ridiculous feel good laws, with
nary a peep from us.  So, rather than piss your words away here, join
the NMA, and start writing your legislators.  It worked for me, just ask
Mrs. Clark at the Alexandria DMV - if she's still there...



Dave Yates
'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
'97 Cobra #5148
http://www.radix.net/~sdave/



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Todd Withrow wrote:

> --- "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX> wrote:
> >
> > Agreed.  All my interstate tickets were in the 80s,
> > save for one on 385 in Arlington for 70,
> > but the trooper cut me a few MPH slack.  I've blown
> > radar setups at 10 over and not been
> > stopped.  Must be my innocent face...
> >
> > Bill
> >
>
> The caveat is a school zone. You damn well better slow
> down for the young ones. No slack will be cut there.
>
> Todd W.

Actually, in town I observe speed limits.  There's kids everywhere, and a lot of pedestrians
too. School zones is one place I'd like to have a paintball cannon to plaster the blatant
speeders.

Bill


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I'm parting with my 2000 busa. It has 1600 miles, never been down,
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Hey Tom - I never said it would work - hence the "toying".
In court this seems irrelevant, to me this is simple logic: The basic
premise seems usually that the cop's word is better than mine.

		That's because people that go to traffic court are 99% of the time,
not sufficiently prepared.  Cops in court are witnesses, and should NOT
be allowed to enter evidence.  They should be allowed to testify and
that's it.  IF you let them without objection, you have no grounds for
appeal.  Further, most cops are basically prepared, but not fully for a
lawyer to cross them.  If you represent yourself, there are all kinds of
things that can get you off, one of the  easiest is making the
prosecution 'rest'  after the cop is done lying, but hasn't said 'the
defendant was driving or whatever'  IOW failing  to properly identify
the operator of the vehicle.  Cops are also given pseudo 'expert
witness' status, which is why their word is 'better'.  Most people don't
challenge or object when a cop on the witness stand draw conclusion or
stretches the truth.

 Maybe it's
because of the job, the badge, maybe the screening that goes with it,
but
most probably because it's easier for the system to work this way.

		They only want your money.  If it weren't about the money, all traffic
infractions would involve jail time or community service, not money.


I believe that for the cop's word to have more weight than mine, he
needs to
be held to the standards he's hired to uphold.

		Only the defendant can do that, and if you let all the cop's lies
err... testimony to go unchallenged, well, his / her word is worth more.





Dave Yates
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In a message dated 6/14/01 3:38:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
pattonme@XXXXXX writes:

<< 
 "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad,
  they should have voted to convict."
  >>

You know, I haven't mentioned it before, but tonight I was disturbed by the 
political note above.  I don't believe subscribers to a motorcycle message 
board should be bombarded by political propoganda from the right, center or 
left.  We get enough of that in the media.  I believe there are plenty of 
political message boards to subscribe to.

Thanks,

Fred

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Hello Everyone,

Cliff was the first to respond to my free entrance to Skyline offer, so he 
gets first dibs.  I hope everyone can show up this Saturday.

Thad said (which I think is a good plan):
---
I will be heading out to Luray Caverns via 66/29/211, that would be cool
to have someone else to ride out there with.  I need to be at the caverns
by 11am.  So I figure I'll be passing Fairfax around 9am or so.
---

Seeing as Cliff wants to get back early also, I was thinking that everyone 
who is planning to ride out to Skyline this Saturday with me could meet at 
the motorcycle parking area (in the kiss and ride loop) of the Vienna metro 
station, right off exit 62 of I-66 (the North exit) at 9am.

So far the people who have showed interest are: Cliff Zigmond, Paul Wilson, 
Thad Groghan, and Steve Price.  As Thad is not riding to Skyline (going to 
caverns), we could still ride along his route on the way to Skyline, then 
split off and head to Skyline.

I have only ridden once before to Skyline, and I used 66 on the way there 
and the way back.  The 66-29-211 route is new to me, although I remember 
exiting Skyline at 211 to eat lunch, then getting back on Skyline and 
heading back up to 66.  Supposedly the 211 route is much nicer.  Plus, it's 
good to get lost sometimes...

And to everyone else on DC Cycles, you are more than welcome to join up.

Aaron S. Ward
CBR900RR

>
>Hi everyone,
>
>I had the great pleasure of riding on Skyline Drive last Sunday.  Since my
>weekly admission pass is still valid through Saturday, I plan on heading up
>there to enjoy it again.
>
>My pass is valid for 2 people, and since the guy I went with last time is
>not going, I can get one other person in for free (avoid the $5 entry fee).
>Whoever responds first via email will get the freebie.
>
>I don't care if you are a squid or a pro-racer, I just would rather have
>some company to ride down there and eat lunch etc.  I don't know what time
>is best to avoid traffic, but my guess is morning is better than afternoon?
>I really enjoy the group-riding atmosphere, and I'm not looking for any
>racing, but a nice relaxed pace with maybe a few brisk corners but nothing
>serious (like doing the 20mph turns at, oh, 30mph?)
>
>Anyway, if anybody is interested, let me know.  I live near the
>Vienna/Fairfax metro station (last stop on the orange line, exit 62 on
>I-66), and I can meet there in the motorcycle parking area before heading
>down 66 to Front Royal.  I would say tentatively to meet there at 9:30am,
>but if that is too late/early I can follow up with another email having the
>general consensus of what time to meet.
>
>Also, if there is already a planned group ride being put on by anyone else,
>that is going to be near skyline, I would like to find out about it and go
>on that ride and end up on Skyline.
>
>Hope to meet some riders who are interested in riding Skyline Drive and
>possibly eating lunch etc.
>
>Aaron S. Ward
>CBR900RR


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Ummm, Fred, it's an example of humor. Even my life-long
Democrat ex-congressional press secretary fiancee
recognized it as such and laughed. Personally, I haven't
yet decided which party it's meant to favor, if either.

Actually, given some of the attitudes expressed in this mailing
list and Usenet motorcycle groups lately, the more politically
involved motorcyclists get, the better, or motorcycling will
become extinct in my lifetime. One of my friends, who was the
lobbyist for the AMA, happens to share that view.

--Larry
'01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco
'84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike)
'01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small
emergency backup bike)


At 08:07 PM 6/14/01, Boiade@XXXXXX wrote:
>In a message dated 6/14/01 3:38:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>pattonme@XXXXXX writes:
>
><<
>  "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad,
>   they should have voted to convict."
>   >>
>
>You know, I haven't mentioned it before, but tonight I was disturbed by the
>political note above.  I don't believe subscribers to a motorcycle message
>board should be bombarded by political propoganda from the right, center or
>left.  We get enough of that in the media.  I believe there are plenty of
>political message boards to subscribe to.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Fred



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>  "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad,
>   they should have voted to convict."
>   >>
>
> You know, I haven't mentioned it before, but tonight I was disturbed by
the
> political note above.  I don't believe subscribers to a motorcycle message
> board should be bombarded by political propoganda from the right, center
or
> left.  We get enough of that in the media.  I believe there are plenty of
> political message boards to subscribe to.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Fred

Oh for the love of Pete!  Don't read it if you don't like it.

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In a message dated 6/14/01 10:12:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
cliffzig@XXXXXX writes:

<< Oh for the love of Pete!  Don't read it if you don't like it.
  >>
How do you avoid reading it without deleting the message before reading?  
Does AOL have a political message filter?

"What's the only difference between a Fascist and a Republican?  A Fascist 
believes in universal health care."


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>>How about renting a race bike? $150 to $200 a day.
Or if you want to do 
this more often, buy a fractional share in the bike
for the season like 
you do airplanes.<<

Erion Racing actually does this. I saw a feature on
Speed Vision. I called them up to see how much it cost
and get more info, but the guy who runs the program is
out till late June. 

>From the feature on the show (was either Bike Week or
Motorcyclist), they set you up with a F4 and assign a
mechanic to you who sets up the bike to your
preferences. It seemed that all you do is sign up,
show up with your gear and go. My guess on price is at
least $500/day, plus deposits for crash damage. :0

-jeff

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Larry Larson wrote:

> Ummm, Fred, it's an example of humor. Even my life-long
> Democrat ex-congressional press secretary fiancee
> recognized it as such and laughed. Personally, I haven't
> yet decided which party it's meant to favor, if either.

Actually, I know this poster meant it as a slam on the dems, but his other tag
line makes me laugh - the quote from Sigmund Freud (a known drug user) that goes
something like Civilization can only occur when sex is restrained.  Does that
mean I should always tie her up?  That would be a problem - no convenient
bedposts for those kitchen quickies or romps on the out-of-balance washing
machine during the spin cycle.

Bill



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In a message dated 6/14/01 10:12:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
cliffzig@XXXXXX writes:

<< Oh for the love of Pete!  Don't read it if you don't like it.
  >>
How do you avoid reading it without deleting the message before reading?
Does AOL have a political message filter?

"What's the only difference between a Fascist and a Republican?  A
Fascist
believes in universal health care."

		Actually, Fred, ideologically speaking, Fascists are most closely
aligned with liberals ; that  is to say, they are on the 'same side of
the political spectrum'  regardless of party affiliation.
		Obmoto:  Liberals tend to want the land for the state, others, like
bikers, want it to ryde on ;-)

Dave Yates
'90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus'
'97 Cobra #5148
http://www.radix.net/~sdave/



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>Actually, in town I observe speed limits.  There's kids everywhere, and a lot of pedestrians
>too. School zones is one place I'd like to have a paintball cannon to plaster the blatant
>speeders.

Agreed.  Saw a great stop one time: Four-lane highway, not divided. Bus with its red lights on stopped and letting out kids.  Guy coming the other way just laid on his horn and drove right past the kids.  One older kid had his arms out trying to herd the little kids away from the oncoming car.

And about two seconds later there's lights and sirens all over the place.  Unmarked car right behind the jerk.  

I went in to do my food shopping and a half hour later the officer still had the jerk pulled over.  Hope he got a big ticket, and a 72-point courtesy safety inspection of his car and papers.

Chris Norloff

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At 06:50 AM 6/15/01, William J. Huson wrote:
>.... the quote from Sigmund Freud (a known drug user) that goes
>something like Civilization can only occur when sex is restrained.  Does that
>mean I should always tie her up?

In this group, I believe that would mean always wearing
your fully-armored, non-expanding Aerostich (tm) brand
condom.

(Although your further description did make me wonder
just how much we're missing out on by having the
stacking washer/dryer in our townhouse.)

-- Larry
'01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco
'84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike)
'01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small
emergency backup bike)



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At 10:25 PM 6/14/01, Boiade@XXXXXX wrote:
>....
>
>"What's the only difference between a Fascist and a Republican?  A Fascist
>believes in universal health care."

That's the spirit! Now if someone will come up with something
about the religious right, or the Washington Post -- Jewish
conspiracy, we can really get this thing kick-started.

-- Larry
'01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco
'84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike)
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Fred,

I think it's mostly been said already, but I'll say it anyway. Give it a 
rest, already. It's his sig line, not some leftist|rightist|centrist 
conspiracy! You can always apply a sig line to your messages. Who knows, 
maybe you can even come up with a good one. And if his really offends you, 
add him to your kill file. AOL does provide for a way to block offensive 
users, doesn't it?

Perry

>From: Boiade@XXXXXX
>To: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX
>Subject: Re: racing classification descriptions
>Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:07:13 EDT
>
>In a message dated 6/14/01 3:38:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>pattonme@XXXXXX writes:
>
><<
>  "If Democrats wanted Gore to be president so bad,
>   they should have voted to convict."
>   >>
>
>You know, I haven't mentioned it before, but tonight I was disturbed by the
>political note above.  I don't believe subscribers to a motorcycle message
>board should be bombarded by political propoganda from the right, center or
>left.  We get enough of that in the media.  I believe there are plenty of
>political message boards to subscribe to.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Fred

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>  >>How about renting a race bike? $150 to $200 a day.
>
>Erion Racing actually does this.....
>>From the feature on the show (was either Bike Week or
>Motorcyclist), they set you up with a F4 and assign a
>mechanic to you who sets up the bike to your
>preferences. It seemed that all you do is sign up,
>show up with your gear and go. My guess on price is at
>least $500/day, plus deposits for crash damage.

I imagine the price would be much higher than that.....probably 2-3 
times higher.

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--- Boiade@XXXXXX wrote:
> You know, I haven't mentioned it before, but tonight
> I was disturbed by the 
> political note above.  I don't believe subscribers
> to a motorcycle message 
> board should be bombarded by political propoganda
> from the right, center or 
> left.  We get enough of that in the media.  I
> believe there are plenty of 
> political message boards to subscribe to.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Fred


Lighten up.
It's a comment on the end of his sig.  He's allowed to
say anything he wants there.

Leon.
Save the whales, collect the whole set.




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Larry Larson wrote:

> (Although your further description did make me wonder
> just how much we're missing out on by having the
> stacking washer/dryer in our townhouse.)

Fer sure, dude - got me a Maytag and it really rumbles!  Better'n kicking up waves
in a water bed.

Bill


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--- Todd Withrow <mtwithrow@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Hey nice rant. Feel better? Guess what? The letter
> of
> the law states that I have "discretion". I don't
> have
> to ticket you for 56 in a 55. That is stupid. 

It is stupid.  Feel free to write me a ticket for 56
in a 55 anytime you want.  I ride the bike with the
big Rubbermaid box on the back.  Here's a picture
http://www3.sympatico.ca/klouseau/leon.htm


> While I
> agree that the limits are too low, I am not going to
> be a one man citizen advocacy group for speed limit
> adjustment by pissing off citizens and my bosses by
> writing bullshit tickets.

Of course not, get the others to do the same thing. 
It isn't bullshit, it's the law.  

If you won't do that, then all I'm asking is the YOU
PERSONALLY OBEY THE LAW.  DRIVE THE SPEED LIMIT.  Or
are you too chickenshit to do what the law REQUIRES of
the rest of us.


> If you want me to enforce
> the LETTER of the law, and not the SPIRIT, then give
> me your address. I gurantee I can spot several
> violation on your car without it even moving.
>
I'll take that bet.  I don't pay until you get a
conviction.  My car is the Blue El Camino.

13391 Packard Dr
Dale City, VA
22193

Better yet, take tg's bet, that way he'll have the
money he owes me from the last bet I made with him. 
Oh yeah, can't do that, gambling is probably one of
those things we the people aren't allowed to do.

> I find it incredible that you WANT officers to be
> dicks instead of realistic. There is a real easy way
> to ensure that officers enforce the letter of the
> law
> with you. Get a bumper sticker that says "FUCK
> COPS".
> Then you will be real happy when you get ticketed
> for
> 36 in a 35.

I don't want them to be dicks, many of them seem to be
perfectly capable of doing that on their own.  What I
want them to do is OBEY THE LAW.  From what I've seen,
most of them don't and you don't seem to think they
should.






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Let's say a guy named Adam is attracted to a woman
named Eve. He asks 
her
out; she accepts; they have a pretty good time.

A few nights later he asks her out to dinner, and
again they enjoy
themselves. They start to see each other regularly,
and after a while,
neither one of them is seeing anybody else.

Then, one evening when they're driving home, a thought
occurs to Eve, 
and,
without really thinking, she says it aloud: "Do you
realise that, as of
tonight, we've been seeing each other for exactly six
months?"

And then there is a strained silence in the car . . .
to Eve, it seems 
like
a very loud silence. She thinks to herself:  "Gee, I
wonder if it 
bothers
him that I said that. Maybe he's been  feeling
confined by our 
relationship;
maybe he thinks I'm trying to push him into some kind
of obligation 
that he
doesn't want, or isn't sure of."

And Adam is thinking: "Gosh. Six months already."

Eve is thinking: "But, hey, I'm not so sure I want
this kind of
relationship, either. Sometimes I wish I had a little
more space, so 
I'd
have time to think about whether I really want us to
keep going the way 
we
are, moving steadily forward. I mean, where are we
going? Are we just 
going
to keep seeing each other at this level of intimacy?
Are we heading 
toward
marriage? Toward children? Toward a lifetime together?
Am I ready for 
that
level of commitment? Do I really even know this
person?"

And Adam is thinking: "So that means it was...let's
see ...February 
when we
started going out, which was right after I had the RS
at the dealer, 
which
means...lemme think about this. Whoa! I am way overdue
for a cam chain
tension check.  Mebbee the rockers need to be
inspected too."

Meanwhile Eve is thinking: "He's worried. I can see it
on his face. 
Maybe
I'm reading this completely wrong. Maybe he wants more
from our
relationship, more intimacy, more commitment; maybe he
has sensed - 
even
before I sensed it - that I was feeling some
reservations. Yes, I bet 
that's
it. That's why he's so reluctant to say anything about
his own 
feelings.
He's afraid of
being rejected."

And Adam is thinking: "And I'm gonna have them look at
the transmission
again. I don't care what those guys on the list say,
it's still not 
shifting
right. And they better not try to blame it on the cold
weather this 
time.
What cold weather? It's 87 degrees out, and this thing
is shifting like 
an
old Harley Sportster, and I paid those incompetent
thieves $1600 for 
the
last service.  Not to mention that crap about keeping
the valve shims 
in
paper envelopes... sheessh." And he grits his teeth.

Eve is thinking: "Now he's angry. And I don't blame
him. I'd be angry, 
too.
I feel so guilty, putting him through this, but I
can't help the way I 
feel.
I'm just not sure."

Adam is thinking: "They'll probably say it's only a
90-day warranty on
rocker wear. Scumbags!"

Eve is thinking: "Maybe I'm just too idealistic,
waiting for a knight 
to
come riding up on his white horse, when I'm sitting
right next to a
perfectly good person, a person I enjoy being with, a
person I truly do 
care
about, a person who seems to truly care about me. A
person who is in 
pain
because of my self-centred, schoolgirl romantic
fantasy."

And Adam is thinking: "Rockers not under Warranty?
They want a 
warranty?
I'll give them a warranty. I'll take their warranty
and stick it right 
up
their a ....!!"

"Adam?" Eve asks aloud.

"What!" snaps Adam, startled and brought back abruptly
from thoughts of 
bits
of rocker chrome circulating throughout the pristine
internals of his 
RS.

"Please don't torture yourself like this," she says,
her eyes beginning 
to
brim with tears. "Maybe I should never have... Oh God,
I feel so..."  
(She
breaks down, sobbing.)

"What's the matter with you?" says Adam, puzzled.

"I'm such a fool," Eve sobs. "I mean, I know there's
no knight. I 
really
know that. It's silly. There's no knight, and there's
no horse." (More
sobs).

"There's no ... horse?" says Adam, wondering how much
of the 
conversation he
missed.

"You think I'm a fool, don't you?" Eve says.

"No!" says Adam, glad to finally be sure of the
correct answer.

"It's just that... it's that I... I need some time,"
Eve says.

(There is a 15-second pause while Adam, thinking fast,
tries to come up 
with
an appropriate, safe general response. Finally he
comes up with one 
that he
thinks might do.) "OK," he says.

(Eve, deeply moved, touches his hand.) "Oh, Adam, do
you really feel 
that
way? I'm so happy." she says.

The next day Eve will call her closest friend, or
perhaps two of them, 
and
she will cry and they will talk about this situation
for six straight 
hours.
In painstaking detail, they will analyse everything
she said and 
everything
he said, going over it time and time again, exploring
every word, 
statement,
and gesture for nuances of meaning, considering every
possible 
ramification.
They will continue to discuss this subject, off and
on, for weeks, 
maybe
months, never reaching any definite conclusions, but
never
getting bored with it, either.

Adam will get back to his place, open a Bud, pick up a
copy of 
Performance
Bikes, turn on the TV, and immediately become deeply
involved in a 
rerun of
a 125cc Grand Prix race between two Japanese riders he
has never heard 
of. A
tiny voice in the far recesses of his mind will tell
him that something
strange was going on back there in the car, but as he
is pretty sure 
there
is no way he would ever understand what, he figures
it's better if he 
just
doesn't worry about it.

What was that about Mars and Venus?

Barry (with thanks to the Ducati list for inspiration)

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Woah! That's the most I've ever seen Leon Begeman write at one time! 
Leon, tell us how you really feel!



-- 
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the 
skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
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Trey Herb wrote:

> Then, one evening when they're driving home, a thought occurs to
> Eve,
> and, without really thinking, she says it aloud: "Do you realise
> that, as of
> tonight, we've been seeing each other for exactly six months?"
>

Uh-oh, my GF said the exact same thing to me on Wednesday at dinner.
I think I said something like, "Wow...6 months...where has the time
gone?"    I had no idea what I was getting myself into. :-)

--Jim
--'00 Monster 750


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In a message dated 6/15/01 7:22:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX 
writes:

<< Actually, Fred, ideologically speaking, Fascists are most closely
 aligned with liberals ; that  is to say, they are on the 'same side of
 the political spectrum'  regardless of party affiliation. >>


<< Actually, Fred, ideologically speaking, Fascists are most closely
 aligned with liberals ; that  is to say, they are on the 'same side of
 the political spectrum'  regardless of party affiliation. >>

Shows that you know alot about politics, confusing the left and the right.  
The Fascist party is a right-wing party.  In fact, the first people the Nazis 
and Fascists go after are the Communists and Socialists.

Ciao,

Fred

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Hello,

Thanks to all you who recommended Potomac Amoco - I went up there this 
morning and got the bike inspected without an appointment in less than a 
half hour and it passed without any problems. Its a 93 Nighthawk. If anyone 
else is looking to get a bike inspected, go there, corner of River Rd. and 
Falls Rd.

ub


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Better choice than a Frigid-aire, but maybe not as good as a Whirlpool or
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-- Larry

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Larry Larson wrote:

 > (Although your further description did make me wonder
 > just how much we're missing out on by having the
 > stacking washer/dryer in our townhouse.)

Fer sure, dude - got me a Maytag and it really rumbles!  Better'n kicking
up waves
in a water bed.

Bill



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Now that you mention it I had to check and refresh my memory.  The Maytag died
in the hat of passion and wuz replaced with a Sears washer which is still
humping along, so to speak.   Whatever works!
(moto-content )   I've *suggested* trying out the ol' Harley on high idle...

Bill


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>
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--- Perry Coleman <perrycoleman@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Jeremy,
> 
> Chaps are great to protect your legs from stuff
> getting flung up, or to keep 
> brush and brambles from scraping you when you ride
> your horse into a tight 
> spot.
> 

Or, say, running into a guardrail at high speed.  Or
protecting your legs while rolling after being ejected
from your bike.

> As for motorcycling, they don't offer any protection
> to one of the more 
> delicate, and protuberant, spots of anatomy -
> namely, your keister. As 
> someone who has had the dubious pleasure of parting
> company with my bike at 
> about 30-40 mph and sliding a ways on my tushie, I
> can attest to the value 
> of having something other than just a pair of dress
> pants between my 
> derriere and the highway. Had I been wearing chaps
> instead of armoured 
> riding pants, I'd probably be sitting on skin grafts
> right now, instead of 
> cute (I've been told,) smooth, all original butt
> skin.

I will give you this point, they provide no protection
to your derriere.  I will say that in my accident
experience (which admittedly is not that extensive,
nor is this backed up by any statistical evidence -
but it seems logical and within the definitions of
physics to me) that rolling is more likely than
sliding on the same area of your body until you stop.

In that situation, and I back this up with my own
accident experience, it will be your arms and legs
which take the brunt of the abrasion damage and not
your derriere.

Obviously every accident is different, so the maximum
protection definitly comes from full pants. I am
currently looking for new attire myself, so I may
check out the overpants you spoke of, since you claim
that they are easy to get on and off.

> 
> For cool weather riding, I use the Hein
> Gericke/First Gear overpants 
> (armoured, waterproof, textile.) For warm weather
> riding, I use the First 
> Gear summer sport tour overpants (perfed leather.)
> My next purchase, as soon 
> as I lose an inch or so from the waist, is a pair of
> "dedicated" armoured, 
> leather riding pants. The overpants are great for
> commuting, but I'd like 
> something a little more serious for more aggressive
> backroad riding.
> 
> Chaps do look cool, though. And I've heard that
> they're popular in certain 
> bars and clubs around Dupont Circle. Not that
> there's anything wrong with 
> that! ;^)

Thank you so much for invalidating your entire
previous argument with flammatory comments which I
would expect to hear in high school locker rooms and
redneck bars but not in a forum of people whom I had
considered to be somewhat educated and even possibly
mature.


BTW - If anyone knows of any statistical evidence
which shows the proportion of rolling to sliding as a
result of a motorcycle accident, I would really like
to see that data.

Jeremy Purdy
'00 Yamaha V-Star - Jeade'en


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I have dragged meslef into modernity.  I bought the
demo model '00 Triumph Sprint ST last night at Herndon
Cycle Sport, and rode it to work today.  Big grins.  

Skeered me a little too.  I grabbed a big handful of
throttle (stupid muscle memory!), and the front wheel
went light for a about 100 yards. Definitely *not* an
Enfield. :)

CU,

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On Saturday night I will post the details about the ride to Budd's Creek.
We probably will meet off of I-95 South in the Stafford area.

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>Or, say, running into a guardrail at high speed.

I don't think ANY company manufactures something that will protect 
your legs if you run into a guardrail at high speed...oh yeah, there 
might be a few....Toyota, Ford, etc....What the hell are you doing 
running into guardrails at high speed, anyways? Sounds like someone 
who shouldn't be on the damn motorcycle in the first place.

>   Or protecting your legs while rolling after being ejected
>from your bike.

"Real" leather riding pants would be much better. Most chaps I've 
seen provide more decorative value than protective. That's not to say 
that there aren't any good quality chaps out there, but for the money 
there are superior alternatives. And you typically don't roll.

>I will give you this point, they provide no protection
>to your derriere.  I will say that in my accident
>experience (which admittedly is not that extensive,
>nor is this backed up by any statistical evidence -
>but it seems logical and within the definitions of
>physics to me) that rolling is more likely than
>sliding on the same area of your body until you stop.

One of the most common accidents on the motorcycle is the classic 
low-side. (Tire lose traction and motorcycle slides out from under 
you.) These typically result in the person sliding, not rolling. 
Don't ask me how I know this.

>In that situation, and I back this up with my own
>accident experience, it will be your arms and legs
>which take the brunt of the abrasion damage and not
>your derriere.

Why not protect everything you can?

>Obviously every accident is different, so the maximum
>protection definitly comes from full pants.

Bingo.

>  > Chaps do look cool, though. And I've heard that
>>  they're popular in certain
>>  bars and clubs around Dupont Circle. Not that
>>  there's anything wrong with
>>  that! ;^)
>
>Thank you so much for invalidating your entire
>previous argument with flammatory comments

Is your argument invalidated because you made up the word 
"flammatory"? What does that mean, anyways? "Able to be flammed"? 
What utter rubbish. Inflammatory comments don't invalidate arguments. 
Inflammatory comments are what make arguments interesting for others 
to read. If you're not going to make inflammatory comments, take it 
off list.

>  which I would expect to hear in high school locker rooms

What are you doing in high school locker rooms anyways?

>  and redneck bars

Wait, you flame hime for making jokes about Gay/Bondage/SM bars, and 
yet refer to "redneck" bars in such a way as to make them sound bad?

"Hi Kettle! I'm Pot! You're black!"

>  but not in a forum of people whom I had considered to be somewhat 
>educated and even possibly
>mature.

And then we were enlightened by your enlightened drivel. Bra-vo.

>BTW - If anyone knows of any statistical evidence
>which shows the proportion of rolling to sliding as a
>result of a motorcycle accident, I would really like
>to see that data.

Come to a race weekend. That will show you what happens in a 
single-vehicle motorcycle accident. (The track does have more run-off 
than the street, but as far as what happens when you and the 
motorcycle part ways, it's generally all the same.)


-- 
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the 
skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #778 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
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Welcome to the club. There are several good triumph
groups out there on the web. one of the best is Steve
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--- Scratch <iefbr142000@XXXXXX> wrote:
> I have dragged meslef into modernity.  I bought the
> demo model '00 Triumph Sprint ST last night at
> Herndon
> Cycle Sport, and rode it to work today.  Big grins. 
> 
> 
> Skeered me a little too.  I grabbed a big handful of
> throttle (stupid muscle memory!), and the front
> wheel
> went light for a about 100 yards. Definitely *not*
> an
> Enfield. :)
> 
> CU,
> 
> Rich
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Yes, the site is http://mlis.state.md.us/

They have all MD statutes.  Transportation and otherwise



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> Hi y'all,
> 
>         All this talk about VDOT statutes had me wondering if Maryland
> has it's laws posted in a user friendly fashion. After going up to Lake
> George, NY for Americade, and seeing a bunch of Gold Wings all tricked
> out with decorative lighting, I picked up a few for my Katana. Now I'm
> wondering about the legalities relating to auxiliary lighting. Anyone
> got a source?
> 
> Steven C. Di Pietro
> Assistant National Director
> National Marketing Coordinator
> Suzuki Owners Club USA
> 142 Circle Road
> Pasadena Md. 21122-6036
> http://www.soc-usa.org
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> 
> 


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I can hear the DEL keys crumbling around the city again.

Geez, do you guys ever need to take a chill pill. Must be the summer heat! One flame thread after another.

So whose going to put them out of their misery and lead a slow (or fast) group ride? A comment was made that we (dc-cycles) has done about zilch this year on rides. I'm often free on Saturdays and Sunday afternoons to do some. I'll lead a max of 6 riders thru areas like Clifton, Leesburg, PrinceWilliam Forest, etc. I'll try to stay off unpaved roads too. But given my two previous episodes I will insist on some strict ground rules and you will get dismissed if you fail to toe the line. Squidly riders, racer wannabe's and people who consider 60mph on 2 lane country roads to be too slow need not apply. If you have a permit the ink had better not still be wet and you'd better be sure I know about it. I'm based out of Alexandria/springfield, VA BTW.

more in-line:

> > Chaps do look cool, though. And I've heard that
> > they're popular in certain 
> > bars and clubs around Dupont Circle. Not that
> > there's anything wrong with 
> > that! ;^)
> 
> Thank you so much for invalidating your entire
> previous argument with flammatory comments which I

And what if the comment was in regards to the ladies riding around in thongs with their legs encased in chaps - for protection? sheyikes!! IMO (and only IMO) chaps were sold because 1) it was a simple leap to make from riding flesh/blood horses to fossile fuel powered ones. 2) it fits in well with the pursuit of the almighty "image" at the cost of actual usefulness a certain caste of predomanantly v-twin riders seem to manifest.

> BTW - If anyone knows of any statistical evidence
> which shows the proportion of rolling to sliding as 

I'm not sure the Hurt Study dealt with that. Not scientific purhaps but maybe you want to count the number of times the racers slide on their keister vs tumble as you watch your weekly edition of MC racing on speedvision. Granted nature has provided some extra cushioning in the form of buttocks, but given how utterly worthless cotton is in regards to abrasion resistance I think it makes a lot of sense to cover it (the rump) with leather as well. Think about how much of the day you spend with your butt sitting on something. Imagine not being able to do that because of those skin grafts. As Sylvester the cat would say "eeoowww!!"

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I recently started working with a client in the city (17th/Mst NW).  I 
gotta say - I love commuting in on the bike.  Free bike parking lot there 
on M, lane splitting, HOV.  Awesome.  It really is mayhem on the 
streets.  In '94 I was driving a delivery truck in DC for a year, so I got 
to know the city pretty well.  Traffic was nothing like it is now.  I 
filter up to the crosswalk and watch as mopeds and bicyclists charge full 
speed into the intersection through red lights - weaving between 
pedestrians and narrowly avoiding spilling their guts.  The moped guys are 
either brave or stupid.

I am contemplating a second - more narrow bike - for commuting in the city 
to make lane splitting easier.  Its like there are no lane markings in many 
sections.  The VFR is a bit of a pig for this chore.  It is nice on 66 all 
the way in from Centreville though.


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Jeremy,

I've been semi-seriously looking at used leathers for track days, etc.  At
least two of the crash tested ones showed they had been the sole intervening
substance between the rider's flesh and pavement in the seat of the pants.
Sean's right, it's more than likely in a low side that the rider's
trajectory will result in a full on butt slide.

Not trying to be flammable or even inflammable :) but(t) there's a reason
full leathers means exactly that, full leathers.  Leather pants also have
the added advantages of padding and/or armor at the knees and hips and
provisions for knee pucks, which you won't find in chaps.  Obviously if
leather pants, reinforced Cordura pants, etc., are not your cup of tea,
chaps are certainly better than plain jeans.

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F

----- Original Message -----
From: Jeremy Purdy <purdyjeremy@XXXXXX>

> I will give you this point, they provide no protection
> to your derriere.  I will say that in my accident
> ....


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Subject: Re: Riding in the city : mayhem
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I'm with you about riding a bike in the city.  When I
worked in DC it was the only thing that made working
out there bearable.  I can't stand the metro and
driving in is just, well, not worth it, nor affordable
as a daily option.

I did notice that riding my VF in was easier than the
VFR.  I think the VF was thinner.  It was definitely
the commuter bike of choice.  I also love the fact
that I didn't have to wait in the hideous traffic with
the cars.  And contrary to popular belief, it was my
experience that cagers aren't so horrid in the city to
bikers as they are in the 'burbs in VA.  I think
cagers are so used to the couriers flying up on the
side of them, that they're more used to it, and accept
it as part of driving in the city.  They also notice
you more, which I again attribute to the presence of
couriers.  In VA I almost get run over every time I
ride, and the drivers don't even bat an eyelash.  In
DC I didn't.  I know, sounds weird, but it was true.
:-)
But it's not for the faint of heart.  ;-)

- Jeannette
  '86 VFR 700 F2
  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

--- Troutman <mike@XXXXXX> wrote:
> I recently started working with a client in the city
> (17th/Mst NW).  I 
> gotta say - I love commuting in on the bike.  Free
> bike parking lot there 
> on M, lane splitting, HOV.  Awesome.  It really is
> mayhem on the 
> streets.  In '94 I was driving a delivery truck in
> DC for a year, so I got 
> to know the city pretty well.  Traffic was nothing
> like it is now.  I 
> filter up to the crosswalk and watch as mopeds and
> bicyclists charge full 
> speed into the intersection through red lights -
> weaving between 
> pedestrians and narrowly avoiding spilling their
> guts.  The moped guys are 
> either brave or stupid.
> 
> I am contemplating a second - more narrow bike - for
> commuting in the city 
> to make lane splitting easier.  Its like there are
> no lane markings in many 
> sections.  The VFR is a bit of a pig for this chore.
>  It is nice on 66 all 
> the way in from Centreville though.
> 
> 
> ___________________________________________
>      Mike Troutman
>           http://www.troutman.org/vfr
> 
>           '97 Honda VFR 750
>          Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA
> 
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Subject: Re: How about some rides? (was RE: Squids)
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I'd be in on a ride.  My bike hasn't been on any long
rides in quite some time.

Not this weekend, though, Father's Day & a bridal
shower to go to. :-(

- Jeannette
  '86 VFR 700F2
  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

--- Matthew Patton <pattonme@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > 
> So whose going to put them out of their misery and
> lead a slow (or fast) group ride? A comment was made
> that we (dc-cycles) has done about zilch this year
> on rides. I'm often free on Saturdays and Sunday
> afternoons to do some. I'll lead a max of 6 riders
> thru areas like Clifton, Leesburg, PrinceWilliam
> Forest, etc. I'll try to stay off unpaved roads too.
> But given my two previous episodes I will insist on
> some strict ground rules and you will get dismissed
> if you fail to toe the line. Squidly riders, racer
> wannabe's and people who consider 60mph on 2 lane
> country roads to be too slow need not apply. If you
> have a permit the ink had better not still be wet
> and you'd better be sure I know about it. I'm based
> out of Alexandria/springfield, VA BTW.
> 
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I seem to recall that this was a Dave Barry column from a couple of years 
ago (with a couple of trivial changes).

--garcia


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> BTW - If anyone knows of any statistical evidence
> which shows the proportion of rolling to sliding as a
> result of a motorcycle accident, I would really like
> to see that data.
>
> Jeremy Purdy
> '00 Yamaha V-Star - Jeade'en

Just my stats:  One slide - butt & elbow rash - and the elbow was impact
abrasion under heavy leather.  One tumble - soared over a left-turner
geezermobile and landed on my helmet and did the el rollo.  Buggered
knees, trashed helmet and boots, more road rash on heavy leather jacket.

Bill


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apologies in advance if the list frowns on this sort of thing, but:

i have one brand new size medium black/red/gray Tour Master Elite rain
jacket for sale.  $35 takes it.  the story is that i ordered a small and a
medium from MAW.  the small fits me well (i'm 5'10"), so i either send back
the medium and eat the return shipping charge, or i sell it to someone
locally.  they're  $44.95 new, but MAW had 'em on special for $30.40 + $8.33
per jacket for shipping+handling.  so the jacket cost me $38.73.  i'll let
it go for $35 since the return shipping plus my hassle would be more than
$3.73.

http://www.tourmaster.com/5d.html

it's a really nice jacket.  vented, various cinching devices to keep it from
flapping around, mesh lining so it doesn't stick to you, etc.  much better
than what i was expecting, frankly.  great value.  comes with a little
carrying pouch, too (bonus!).

interested parties contact me off-list.  thanks.
--
        -greg

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anyone own a pair of Joe Rocket Ballistic pants?  do you like 'em?  any
complaints?  i'm on the verge of buying a pair for both rain and abraision
protection, and any comments/advice would be welcome.

thanks.
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There are two reviews of Joe Rocket Ballistic pants to be found on

http://www.motorcyclegearreview.com

dave


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> anyone own a pair of Joe Rocket Ballistic pants?  do you like 'em?  any
> complaints?  i'm on the verge of buying a pair for both rain and abraision
> protection, and any comments/advice would be welcome.
>
> thanks.
> --
>         -greg
>


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If you wear leather because it's tough and safe, then chaps have no place on
a motorcycle.

If, however, you wear leather because it's cool, then no arguments will
convince you that chaps are nearly useless for protection.

I disagree that chaps are better than jeans only.  It's a false sense of
security.

Both of my crashes have been lowsides that involved lots of sliding on my
ass.  Had I been wearing chaps, I'd likely be crippled.

LindaT.
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99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy
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True or not this seems like something this list would enjoy.

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Did anyone happen to see the TV "show" (pun intended) hosted by Carmen
Electra on Thursday night?

It was about commercials that were "banned" in the US. One French commercial
showed a guy trying to donate to a sperm bank, but who couldn't seem to get
excited about the prospect to he tried unsuccessfully to read the various
sex magazines provided for that purpose .....they didn't work, but all of a
sudden he did seem to get excited and successfully deposited the fruits of
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taking an extremely long time so went to check on his reading material
>.....the magazine was open to an Aprilla ad.  <G>

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Honestly mom I have no idea how that cycle accesories
catalog got under my mattress. I say as I unstick the
pages. :-P~~~~


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> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 03:54:46 -0700
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> From: "Wes St.Onge" <w_stonge@XXXXXX>
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> <motolist@XXXXXX>
> Subject: Exciting !!
> 
> Did anyone happen to see the TV "show" (pun
> intended) hosted by Carmen
> Electra on Thursday night?
> 
> It was about commercials that were "banned" in the
> US. One French commercial
> showed a guy trying to donate to a sperm bank, but
> who couldn't seem to get
> excited about the prospect to he tried
> unsuccessfully to read the various
> sex magazines provided for that purpose .....they
> didn't work, but all of a
> sudden he did seem to get excited and successfully
> deposited the fruits of
> his labor on the receptionist's desk ....She had
> been noticing that he was
> taking an extremely long time so went to check on
> his reading material
> >.....the magazine was open to an Aprilla ad.  <G>
> 
> Wes St.Onge
> 
> 
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read my review on www.motorcyclegearreview.com

> complaints?  i'm on the verge of buying a pair for both rain and abraision
> protection

Abrasion : good
padding : pathetic (replace with GP armor)
rain : they wish!! always carry a rain suit.
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Jeremy,

New to the list?

Perry

>From: Jeremy Purdy <purdyjeremy@XXXXXX>
>To: Perry Coleman <perrycoleman@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX
>Subject: RE: Squids
>Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:49:52 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>--- Perry Coleman <perrycoleman@XXXXXX> wrote:
[snip]
> >
> > Chaps do look cool, though. And I've heard that
> > they're popular in certain
> > bars and clubs around Dupont Circle. Not that
> > there's anything wrong with
> > that! ;^)
>
>Thank you so much for invalidating your entire
>previous argument with flammatory comments which I
>would expect to hear in high school locker rooms and
>redneck bars but not in a forum of people whom I had
>considered to be somewhat educated and even possibly
>mature.
>
>
>BTW - If anyone knows of any statistical evidence
>which shows the proportion of rolling to sliding as a
>result of a motorcycle accident, I would really like
>to see that data.
>
>Jeremy Purdy
>'00 Yamaha V-Star - Jeade'en
>

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Subject: Sunday *slow* ride in Clifton

ok, Clifton ride then on Sunday the 17th. 2pm. Meet at the Exxon gas station at the traffic light where Prince William County parkway makes that left turn (if northbound from Woodbridge). If you want to go, give my cell a ring. 703-980-6716. See my prvious post about some of my stipulations. If there are more than 6 riders we'll split up the group and delay the start by 5 minutes for the 2nd group. We'll probably stay in the Clifton area so as to maximize road familiarity and to maximize turning practice. We will have short breaks between rounds so everyone can do a reality check and relax.

For the record, Clifton roads are not for the extreme novice and definately not at any fast clip. All corners are essentially blind, a good amount of off-camber, no shoulder, gravel/sand can be surprisingly common. And there are a million drive-ways with poor visibility. If you have issues with cornering (ie. you've never seen a twisty road), don't know how to look thru a turn, catch yourself running wide in corners because you're unsure of lean and tire traction then you can still come but I *MUST* know and I'll have a different route for you.

Again, this is a slow / relaxed ride. I'm not trying to scare people away. Really anyone should be able to get thru it safely as long as their reactions when faced with tight turns is to press harder on the handle-bar and keep the throttle on. Run off the road  in Clifton and you will get hurt. I harp on this because I've led 2 rides and both times I've had a rider crash because they panic'd and did the wrong things. I stop and wait at all major turns so there is no need to fear being "left behind" and thus having to push harder than you should be.

As far as gear is concerned, if you got it, wear it. It's NOT that hot in VA. And if it's too hot to wear gear, then it's too hot to ride. I will disinvite you if you show up in sub-standard gear. I'll tolerate jeans but frankly folks, buy some overpants that have armor in them.
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Unfortunately I will be at Budd's Creek on Sunday for the 125/250 National
MX races.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Patton" <pattonme@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 5:57 PM
Subject: Sunday *slow* ride in Clifton


> ok, Clifton ride then on Sunday the 17th. 2pm. Meet at the Exxon gas
station at the traffic light where Prince William County parkway makes that
left turn (if northbound from Woodbridge). If you want to go, give my cell a
ring. 703-980-6716. See my prvious post about some of my stipulations. If
there are more than 6 riders we'll split up the group and delay the start by
5 minutes for the 2nd group. We'll probably stay in the Clifton area so as
to maximize road familiarity and to maximize turning practice. We will have
short breaks between rounds so everyone can do a reality check and relax.
>
> For the record, Clifton roads are not for the extreme novice and
definately not at any fast clip. All corners are essentially blind, a good
amount of off-camber, no shoulder, gravel/sand can be surprisingly common.
And there are a million drive-ways with poor visibility. If you have issues
with cornering (ie. you've never seen a twisty road), don't know how to look
thru a turn, catch yourself running wide in corners because you're unsure of
lean and tire traction then you can still come but I *MUST* know and I'll
have a different route for you.
>
> Again, this is a slow / relaxed ride. I'm not trying to scare people away.
Really anyone should be able to get thru it safely as long as their
reactions when faced with tight turns is to press harder on the handle-bar
and keep the throttle on. Run off the road  in Clifton and you will get
hurt. I harp on this because I've led 2 rides and both times I've had a
rider crash because they panic'd and did the wrong things. I stop and wait
at all major turns so there is no need to fear being "left behind" and thus
having to push harder than you should be.
>
> As far as gear is concerned, if you got it, wear it. It's NOT that hot in
VA. And if it's too hot to wear gear, then it's too hot to ride. I will
disinvite you if you show up in sub-standard gear. I'll tolerate jeans but
frankly folks, buy some overpants that have armor in them.
> --
>
>
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>  only by whether physical coercion or violence against persons or
>  property occurs.  There is no right not to be offended by words,
>  actions or symbols."   - Richard E. Sincere, JR.
>
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Okay then, will someone be so kind as to recommend where to get an oil
change around West Alexandria?  I know, I know, I should do it myself.  But
I just don't have the power!

Cliff
'93 CB750

----- Original Message -----
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> Hello,
>
> Thanks to all you who recommended Potomac Amoco - I went up there this
> morning and got the bike inspected without an appointment in less than a
> half hour and it passed without any problems. Its a 93 Nighthawk. If
anyone
> else is looking to get a bike inspected, go there, corner of River Rd. and
> Falls Rd.
>
> ub
>
>

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Crossroads Cycles in Bailey's Crossroads VA.

Cliff Zigmond wrote:

> Okay then, will someone be so kind as to recommend where to get an oil
> change around West Alexandria?  I know, I know, I should do it myself.  But
> I just don't have the power!
>
> Cliff
> '93 CB750
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ulrich Boser" <uboser@XXXXXX>
> To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 9:54 AM
> Subject: MD Inspection
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Thanks to all you who recommended Potomac Amoco - I went up there this
> > morning and got the bike inspected without an appointment in less than a
> > half hour and it passed without any problems. Its a 93 Nighthawk. If
> anyone
> > else is looking to get a bike inspected, go there, corner of River Rd. and
> > Falls Rd.
> >
> > ub
> >
> >


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I've been reading for a while, posted a couple of
times, but all things considered yes I would say I am
new to the list,

Why, has this topic come up before?

Jeremy Purdy
'00 Yamaha V-Star - Jeade'en

--- Perry Coleman <perrycoleman@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Jeremy,
> 
> New to the list?
> 
> Perry
> 


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Reminder-- First  PHROG ride to Seneca Rocks meets @ Sheetz in Charles Town 
at 8:30 AM Sunday June 17. Departure at 9:00AM

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In order to satisfy my own curiosity, I would like to
determine some of the demographics of this list. 
Please take a couple of seconds to respond to this
highly un-scientific survey.

I will post the results here next Sunday (in order to
let any vacationing readers a chance to respond)

1. Is your primary motorcycle:
  a. Sport Bike
  b. Touring Bike
  c. Dual Sport
  d. Dirt Bike
  e. Cruiser
  f. Racing Bike

2. During the summer months, on average, how often do
you ride?
  a. Every Day, rain or shine
  b. Every day except for bad weather
  c. 3-5 days a week
  d. 1-2 days a week
  e. < 1 day a week

3. How many months a year do you ride?
  a. 12
  b. 9-11
  c. 5-8
  d. < 5

4. What age group are you in? (All responses will be
held strictly confidential)
  a. 55+
  b. 45-54
  c. 35-44
  d. 25-34
  e. <25
  f. Prefer not to answer

5. How old were you when you first started riding?
  a. 55+
  b. 45-54
  c. 35-44
  d. 25-34
  e. 15-24
  f. <15

6. Why did you start riding (best answer only)?
  a. Need for Speed
  b. To emulate a hero (movie star, racer, etc.)
  c. To connect with the world around me
  d. To make driving fun
  e. To join a group
  f. Because family members/friends did
  g. Other (Responses will be added to the list when
reported)

7. Do you race motorcycles?
  a. Yes
  b. No

Thanks for taking a couple of seconds to answer this
survey.

If anyone else has similar questions they have always
wondered about and would like to see included in this
survey, please e-mail them to me and I will add them
to a re-post of this message later in the week.

Jeremy Purdy
'00 Yamaha V-Star - Jeade'en

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1. c
2. a
3.a
4. e
5. e
6. g (Easy parking in D.C.)
7. b


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Hmm... Methinks these surveys have been done before- you might want to
check DCCycles.com.  But it's raining - so I'll fill it out...

Jeremy Purdy wrote:

> In order to satisfy my own curiosity, I would like to
> determine some of the demographics of this list.
> Please take a couple of seconds to respond to this
> highly un-scientific survey.
>
> I will post the results here next Sunday (in order to
> let any vacationing readers a chance to respond)
>
> 1. Is your primary motorcycle:
>     b. Touring Bike - That would be me - Harley FLHS
>
>
> 2. During the summer months, on average, how often do
> you ride?
>    b. Every day except for bad weather - don't get wet unless I have
> too...
>
>
> 3. How many months a year do you ride?
>    b. 9-11 - don't do frostbite either
>

> 4. What age group are you in? (All responses will be
> held strictly confidential)
>   a. 55+ - older than dirt
>
>
> 5. How old were you when you first started riding?
>     d. 25-34 - rode while in my teens, didn't own a  ride until later.

>
> 6. Why did you start riding (best answer only)?
>    g. Other (Responses will be added to the list when
> reported)  Easy commute and preferential parking at NOVA
>
> 7. Do you race motorcycles?
> Hell no - racing boats burned up all my spare racing cash.

> Thanks for taking a couple of seconds to answer this
> survey.
>
> If anyone else has similar questions they have always
> wondered about and would like to see included in this
> survey, please e-mail them to me and I will add them
> to a re-post of this message later in the week.
>
> Jeremy Purdy
> '00 Yamaha V-Star - Jeade'en


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I still haven't sold the helmet and tires below that I
emailed out a few weeks ago, so I have reduced the
prices on both of them as follows:

Helmet - Originally asked $170, now asking $125.  This
is a brand new, still-in-the-box motocross helmet! 
Great price even for a 2nd spare!
Tires - Originally $50, now asking $40.  Can't go
wrong with this price!

And for you skiiers...I'm also trying to get rid of an
old pair of Kastle downhill straight skis, size
190...asking $40 OBO.  I also have a pair of Salomon
Evolution 7.2 men's all-mountain boots, size
27.5...asking $70 OBO.

I do need to get rid of these items in the next couple
weeks before I move out of state, so contact me ASAP
if you (or someone you know) is interested.


Thanks,
Glenn

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I'm moving very soon and need to sell the following ASAP: 

Bell Moto 7 white motocross helmet, size 7 3/8. 
NEVER BEEN USED AND STILL IN ORIGINAL BOX!! 
Retail: $300 
Asking: $170 OBO



Dunlop D-204F Tires
Front: 120/70ZR17
Rear: 180/55ZR17

They're both the stock tires on my 98 VFR 800 with only 5000 miles on them, but the treads still have very good life left in them (ask other owners of these tires, i.e.-other VFR owners, who can vouch for the durability and life of these tires).  The only reason I replaced them last year was b/c I wanted to "upgrade" to a bit sportier tires (which I did with Bridgestone BT-56SS tires), but I kept the stock Dunlops as spares.  I now need to get rid of them prior to my move, so I'm asking just $50 OBO...great price for anyone looking for a cheap set of spares or just the economically-minded in search of good tires at a good price!!

Email me ASAP at this address if interested in either of the above.

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<P><BR><BR>Dunlop D-204F Tires<BR>Front: 120/70ZR17<BR>Rear: 180/55ZR17</P>
<P>They're both the stock tires on my 98 VFR 800 with only 5000 miles on them, but the treads still have very good life left in them (ask other owners of these tires, i.e.-other VFR owners, who can vouch for the durability and life of these tires).&nbsp; The only reason I replaced them last&nbsp;year&nbsp;was b/c I wanted to "upgrade" to a bit sportier tires (which I did with Bridgestone BT-56SS tires), but I kept the stock Dunlops as spares.&nbsp; I now need to get rid of them prior to my move, so I'm asking just $50 OBO...great price for anyone looking for a cheap set of spares or just the economically-minded in search of good tires at a good price!!</P>
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Due to the weather, you'll get a second chance if you wanted to see this 
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        Has anyone installed an amp-u-tron on a sportbike?
I want to mount it in the left side fairing panel and was
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Has anyone ordered any tires from the above site?  They seem to have pretty
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Comments?

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Since I'm a trouble maker by nature...

1. Is your primary motorcycle:
  g. Sport Touring Bike (and what about Standards?) :)

2. During the summer months, on average, how often do
you ride?
  b. Every day except for bad weather (with Bill on
this one)

3. How many months a year do you ride?
  a. 12 (and now I have an alternator that will
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  c. 35-44 (D'Oh! *just* missed the "young" group)

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was 20)

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vehicles!  What a country!)

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I'm thinking of putting these on my '93 CBR1000F streetbike.. Any of 
you kids have experience with this tire on the street? (Note: This is 
the street DOT, not the GP DOT.) Thanks.

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Sean Jordan
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'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
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In a message dated 6/18/01 11:29:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
sean.jordan@XXXXXX writes:

> I'm thinking of putting these on my '93 CBR1000F streetbike.. Any of 
>  you kids have experience with this tire on the street? (Note: This is 
>  the street DOT, not the GP DOT.) Thanks.

Seems to be fairly decent to me.  It's the stock rubber on my new toy.  No 
major surprises so far.

Keener

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I have no beef with their products. But make sure you call your order in or be prepared to do battle with your CCard company due to unauthorized charges showing up. If you use their website your credit card information is sent *IN THE CLEAR* via email to a sales droid. They and their pathetic ISP have the gall to claim they have a 'secure' site. If you feel like mentioning that when you call, all the better. I'm pondering filing a BBB complaint against them.

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>Hey, were you at VIR?  I didnt get around much....too busy 
>racing/working.  We got 3rd in the endurance.
>jason

I sure was! I drove up Friday night and left Sunday afternoon. I was 
on the blue 400, #779. I was pitted with Speedwerks. I was going to 
run the endurance on Friday but that fell through. Sorry I didn't get 
a chance to meet you. I did meet Jason Temme, and a few other guys 
from the list though. Congratulations on your win!

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'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
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Sorry, my last post was a private response, not supposed to go to the 
list. That's why it makes no sense.

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I had my first racing crash this weekend at VIR in my first nationals race.
And let me tell you, it is NOT cool.  I was virtually unhurt, thanks to my
wonderful safety gear.  Bruised ribs, bruises on arms and legs, and a hell
of a scare, but I will tell you, how it looks to a spectator (oh, that's not
such a bad crash) sure doesn't feel the same when it's you tumbling on the
dirt!!!!

Part of the crash wasn't my fault, but part was.  Basically got pushed out
of a turn at the bottom of the roller coaster, I had more entry speed than
the guy that cut in front of me, and I was stuck on the outside of him...ran
out of track.  Had two choices 1. hit him 2. stand the bike up and go off
the track.  I chose the second (although now I wish I hadn't).  So, after
standing the bike up and hitting the dirt, I made a really stupid beginners
mistake...grabbed the front brake.  All I was thinking was "i'm going down a
hill and I need to slow down."  I panicked, and that's all she wrote.  Rear
end slid out, low-sided, and tumbled a few times.  Landed on my ribs and
knocked the wind out me.  It sucked.

the aprilia crashed much better than I did!!! she is a little bit dirty and
needs a new brake lever, but that's about it.  Overall, though, had a great
weekend and learned a ton!!!

But anyways, for those of you who think crashing is so damn cool....go try
it.  I guarantee even a little low-side will get your panties in a bunch.

LAG


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Subject: Re: for you numbskulls who think crashing is cool...
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Sorry you took a spill, but glad you're ok.  :-)
Did you find the guy who cut you off and punch him in
the ribs, for good measure?  ;-)

- Jeannette
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--- Laura Granato <lgranato@XXXXXX> wrote:
> I had my first racing crash this weekend at VIR in
> my first nationals race.
> And let me tell you, it is NOT cool.  I was
> virtually unhurt, thanks to my
> wonderful safety gear.  Bruised ribs, bruises on
> arms and legs, and a hell
> of a scare, but I will tell you, how it looks to a
> spectator (oh, that's not
> such a bad crash) sure doesn't feel the same when
> it's you tumbling on the
> dirt!!!!
> 
> Part of the crash wasn't my fault, but part was. 
> Basically got pushed out
> of a turn at the bottom of the roller coaster, I had
> more entry speed than
> the guy that cut in front of me, and I was stuck on
> the outside of him...ran
> out of track.  Had two choices 1. hit him 2. stand
> the bike up and go off
> the track.  I chose the second (although now I wish
> I hadn't).  So, after
> standing the bike up and hitting the dirt, I made a
> really stupid beginners
> mistake...grabbed the front brake.  All I was
> thinking was "i'm going down a
> hill and I need to slow down."  I panicked, and
> that's all she wrote.  Rear
> end slid out, low-sided, and tumbled a few times. 
> Landed on my ribs and
> knocked the wind out me.  It sucked.
> 
> the aprilia crashed much better than I did!!! she is
> a little bit dirty and
> needs a new brake lever, but that's about it. 
> Overall, though, had a great
> weekend and learned a ton!!!
> 
> But anyways, for those of you who think crashing is
> so damn cool....go try
> it.  I guarantee even a little low-side will get
> your panties in a bunch.
> 
> LAG
> 


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Any suggestions on where to find the cheapest new Suzuki parts? My 
brother got a FREE '89 Katana and is freshening up the motor. Thanks.

-- 
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the 
skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
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Sean,

Tell your brother he just got ripped off. ;^P

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Hope you feel better soon Laura. Be thankful, it could always be worse. :)
Let's try to avoid MX'n from now on, what do you say?

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> I had my first racing crash this weekend at VIR in my first nationals
race.
snip...



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Hey Laura,

Sorry the hear about your shunt, luckily you were unhurt and the bike didn't sustain much damage. 

Crashing on the street is much worse, get's my panties...er underwear in a bunch everytime.

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>>> "Laura Granato" <lgranato@XXXXXX> 06/18/01 02:57PM >>>
I had my first racing crash this weekend at VIR in my first nationals race.
And let me tell you, it is NOT cool.  I was virtually unhurt, thanks to my
wonderful safety gear.  Bruised ribs, bruises on arms and legs, and a hell
of a scare, but I will tell you, how it looks to a spectator (oh, that's not
such a bad crash) sure doesn't feel the same when it's you tumbling on the
dirt!!!!

Part of the crash wasn't my fault, but part was.  Basically got pushed out
of a turn at the bottom of the roller coaster, I had more entry speed than
the guy that cut in front of me, and I was stuck on the outside of him...ran
out of track.  Had two choices 1. hit him 2. stand the bike up and go off
the track.  I chose the second (although now I wish I hadn't).  So, after
standing the bike up and hitting the dirt, I made a really stupid beginners
mistake...grabbed the front brake.  All I was thinking was "i'm going down a
hill and I need to slow down."  I panicked, and that's all she wrote.  Rear
end slid out, low-sided, and tumbled a few times.  Landed on my ribs and
knocked the wind out me.  It sucked.

the aprilia crashed much better than I did!!! she is a little bit dirty and
needs a new brake lever, but that's about it.  Overall, though, had a great
weekend and learned a ton!!!

But anyways, for those of you who think crashing is so damn cool....go try
it.  I guarantee even a little low-side will get your panties in a bunch.

LAG



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Glad to hear you're OK there. 

...and by the way - I don't wear panties anymore.

Niv
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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 11:57 AM
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But anyways, for those of you who think crashing is so damn cool....go try
it.  I guarantee even a little low-side will get your panties in a bunch.

LAG

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I have BT010s mounted on my VFR.  A great improvement over the OEM
tires. The bike really falls into the turns now. I recommend them and
are a real crowd pleaser on the VFR list.

My .02 worth.
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> From: SKeener2@XXXXXX
> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 11:41:56 EDT
> Subject: 
> To: sean.jordan@XXXXXX, race@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> 
> In a message dated 6/18/01 11:29:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> 
> > I'm thinking of putting these on my '93 CBR1000F streetbike.. Any
> of
> >  you kids have experience with this tire on the street? (Note:


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But anyways, for those of you who think crashing is so damn cool....go try
it.  I guarantee even a little low-side will get your panties in a bunch.

LAG
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Sorry about your get-off Laura.  Would it be too goulish to point out that
it was bound to happen, and probably will again?  Not to say you are a bad
rider, but crashing happens alot at a race track until (usually) you get
your white numbers ;-)

Glad to hear you only suffered a couple bruised ribs though.  Chalk it up to
experience.  Stay out of the outside at high-speed.  I imagine another
scenario would be that dude loses his front end and by no fault of your own,
he wipes you both out (cringe)....

I think you are remembering Ricardo Pontes and his inane comments about
racers and racing in general.  He hates racing, but he loves the crashes.
Tool.

Todd (Springfield)


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>
> Sorry about your get-off Laura.  Would it be too goulish to point out that
> it was bound to happen, and probably will again?

not at all, Todd...that's racing!  I understand that...it was just a little
scary for me because I've never crashed anything, not even my car (knock on
wood) and during my lifetime, I've never been hurt doing anything...so it
freaked me out.  Crashing is definitely part of racing, I'm just glad I have
a few weeks to forget about it before I get back on the bike. ;-)

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  Greeting,

  I need your input.  I have a friend who knows little about repairing, 
maintaining his 92 FZR600.  Unfortunately, I wasn't around last week to help 
him out.  He took his bike to a new shop north of Baltimore...in 
Cockeysville called Performance Cycle.  The guy changed his front pads, 
bleed the front brakes, and installed a new bulb in his instrument cluster.  
Cake right.  Bleeding the brakes takes no more than about 5 min on a bike 
and replacing them is just as easy.  The owner ended up charging him $228 
for it all.  $80 for the brakes, $6 brake fluid, no charge for the bulb, and 
the rest labor (about $142).  The guy told him it took 2hrs to do the 
brakes.  I told my bud he got ripped off, so he called him back for feedback 
on his service.  The guy ended up stating that he was as competitive as all 
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To: Devin Ginther <dev_ginther@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX
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Sounds like he replaced the brake fluid; that's a bit
more than just bleeding the brakes.  Not sure how
difficult it is to get to the bulb in the instrument
cluster, but it could involve a bit of disassembly.
$142 for labor is about 3 hours, not too unreasonable.

I vote reasonable.  Doesn't sound like a ripoff to me.

Leon.


--- Devin Ginther <dev_ginther@XXXXXX> wrote:
>   Greeting,
> 
>   I need your input.  I have a friend who knows
> little about repairing, 
> maintaining his 92 FZR600.  Unfortunately, I wasn't
> around last week to help 
> him out.  He took his bike to a new shop north of
> Baltimore...in 
> Cockeysville called Performance Cycle.  The guy
> changed his front pads, 
> bleed the front brakes, and installed a new bulb in
> his instrument cluster.  
> Cake right.  Bleeding the brakes takes no more than
> about 5 min on a bike 
> and replacing them is just as easy.  The owner ended
> up charging him $228 
> for it all.  $80 for the brakes, $6 brake fluid, no
> charge for the bulb, and 
> the rest labor (about $142).  The guy told him it
> took 2hrs to do the 
> brakes.  I told my bud he got ripped off, so he
> called him back for feedback 
> on his service.  The guy ended up stating that he
> was as competitive as all 
> the other local shops.  So am I insane?  Or isn't
> this the biggest load of 
> crap you've ever heard of?????
> 
>   Devin Ginther
>   1995 GSXR1100
>
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In a message dated 6/19/01 10:27:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
dev_ginther@XXXXXX writes:

> The owner ended up charging him $228 
>  for it all.  $80 for the brakes, $6 brake fluid, no charge for the bulb, 
and 
>  the rest labor (about $142).  The guy told him it took 2hrs to do the 
>  brakes.  I told my bud he got ripped off, so he called him back for 
feedback 
>  on his service.  The guy ended up stating that he was as competitive as 
all 
>  the other local shops.  So am I insane?  Or isn't this the biggest load of 
>  crap you've ever heard of?????

Yes and no.  $80 for brake front brake pads...probably in the park.  I pay 
less for pads at the track....but they are also usually discounted.

Bleeding the brakes...well...depends on how quickly they come in.  I've had 
times where it takes 5 minutes.  I've also had times where several people 
screwed with them for 3 days before getting that final bubble out and they 
come up correctly.  It's not a science...it's more of an art.  (Tap 
here...crack bleed there...etc.)

Plus the shop needs to make a profit.  Is it a tad high...probably.  But 
egregious...probably not.  If you want a good shop...try SpeedWerks in Dover 
Delaware.  They are excellent and have great prices.  I have them work on all 
of my racebikes...and I live in Virginia.  :-)

Keener

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Nope, sounds in the ball park for $$$.  I had to bleed front brakes after
replacing a front brake line and lemme tell ya - took way more than few
minutes.  More like an hour.  I also passed wrenchs while my cuz replaced the
front pads on his Harley - major PITA, took us at least four beers and a pizza
to get thru that one.  And DOT5 brake fluid ain't cheap.

Bill


Devin Ginther wrote:

>   Greeting,
>
>   I need your input.  I have a friend who knows little about repairing,
> maintaining his 92 FZR600.  Unfortunately, I wasn't around last week to help
> him out.  He took his bike to a new shop north of Baltimore...in
> Cockeysville called Performance Cycle.  The guy changed his front pads,
> bleed the front brakes, and installed a new bulb in his instrument cluster.
> Cake right.  Bleeding the brakes takes no more than about 5 min on a bike
> and replacing them is just as easy.  The owner ended up charging him $228
> for it all.  $80 for the brakes, $6 brake fluid, no charge for the bulb, and
> the rest labor (about $142).  The guy told him it took 2hrs to do the
> brakes.  I told my bud he got ripped off, so he called him back for feedback
> on his service.  The guy ended up stating that he was as competitive as all
> the other local shops.  So am I insane?  Or isn't this the biggest load of
> crap you've ever heard of?????
>
>   Devin Ginther
>   1995 GSXR1100
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Subject: Re: New Baltimore shop....rip off?
To: "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX>,
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You guys seem to be missing something hear...  Any
decent shop should own a bleeder tool that hooks to an
air compressor and sucks the fluid through with zero
bubbles.  Changing the brake or clutch fluid with one
of those takes minutes at most.  At $180 I'm thinking
of buying one myself.

Glenn

--- "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Nope, sounds in the ball park for $$$.  I had to
> bleed front brakes after
> replacing a front brake line and lemme tell ya -
> took way more than few
> minutes.  More like an hour.  I also passed wrenchs
> while my cuz replaced the
> front pads on his Harley - major PITA, took us at
> least four beers and a pizza
> to get thru that one.  And DOT5 brake fluid ain't
> cheap.
> 


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On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Glenn Dysart wrote:
> You guys seem to be missing something hear...  Any
> decent shop should own a bleeder tool that hooks to an
> air compressor and sucks the fluid through with zero
> bubbles.  Changing the brake or clutch fluid with one
> of those takes minutes at most.  At $180 I'm thinking
> of buying one myself.

I was going to mention this :) Thanks Glenn.

Even using a MightyVac manual pump bleeder takes a lot less than an hour.

- Roach

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True, but one must amoritize the cost of special equipment when in
bizz.  What you pay for is the mechanic's time plus his trained
knowledge X 2 to cover overhead (the shop) which includes all the
*special* tools.

And one must take into account "local prices".  In order to feed the fam
a tech-mech has to pull in big bucks per hour around this burg.  The
rate of the last tech-mech who worked on my beast was about 2/3 of our
local rates - he lived in East Bugsplat NC, brand new 1400 sq foot house
~ 75K.  And my van had a front brake failure in Swampy Corners NC - pop
512.  Rotors turned, wheel bearings repacked, rebuilt calipers, new
pads, came to $184.  Try that in Metro-burg!

Bill

Glenn Dysart wrote:

> You guys seem to be missing something hear...  Any
> decent shop should own a bleeder tool that hooks to an
> air compressor and sucks the fluid through with zero
> bubbles.  Changing the brake or clutch fluid with one
> of those takes minutes at most.  At $180 I'm thinking
> of buying one myself.
>
> Glenn
>
> --- "William J. Huson" <bhuson@XXXXXX> wrote:
> > Nope, sounds in the ball park for $$$.  I had to
> > bleed front brakes after
> > replacing a front brake line and lemme tell ya -
> > took way more than few
> > minutes.  More like an hour.  I also passed wrenchs
> > while my cuz replaced the
> > front pads on his Harley - major PITA, took us at
> > least four beers and a pizza
> > to get thru that one.  And DOT5 brake fluid ain't
> > cheap.
> >
>
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From: Glenn Dysart <glenn_dysart@XXXXXX>
You guys seem to be missing something hear...  Any
decent shop should own a bleeder tool that hooks to an
air compressor and sucks the fluid through with zero
bubbles.  Changing the brake or clutch fluid with one
of those takes minutes at most.  At $180 I'm thinking
of buying one myself.
The thing everyone's missing is the pad change which was mentioned.  at least in
my experience that requires removing the calipers so you can push the pistons
back in.  Not a 3 hour job in itself for someone who's experienced, but... 
Overall, I would definitely not say your friend was ripped off _compared to what
other shops would charge_.  Maybe this is due to poor experience/low
expectations more than whether I actually think 3 hours is what it should take
an experienced mechanic to accomplish the stated tasks.

Keep the shiny side up!

R

'00 ZX-9R  Voodoo
'96 VFR

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Flat rate. Gotta love the flat rate. (I know I do!) Book says a job takes 
three hours. That's what is costs the customer. Mechanic does it in 1.5 
hours. That's how he makes money. A GOOD mechanic will turn in 16-20 hours of 
labor in an 8 hour work day....

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At 08:51 PM 6/19/01, ThomasAJordan@XXXXXX wrote:
>Flat rate. Gotta love the flat rate. (I know I do!) Book says a job takes
>three hours. That's what is costs the customer. Mechanic does it in 1.5
>hours. That's how he makes money. A GOOD mechanic will turn in 16-20 hours of
>labor in an 8 hour work day....

Exactly. Any gas station mechanic who couldn't change pads and
dust seals, bleed and top off on *both* front wheels of a *car* in
less than an hour wouldn't have a job. Can any bike be that much
more difficult?

The other part is the price of the pads. Sounds like you're paying
around double retail price for OEM pads at $80.

-- Larry
'01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco (Back tomorrow! Yippee!)
'84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike)
'01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small
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Exactly. Any gas station mechanic who couldn't change pads and <br>
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, ThomasAJordan@XXXXXX wrote:

> > Flat rate. Gotta love the flat rate. (I know I do!) Book says a job takes
> three hours. That's what is costs the customer. Mechanic does it in 1.5
> hours. That's how he makes money. A GOOD mechanic will turn in 16-20 hours
> of labor in an 8 hour work day....

Only because people in this area are mostly clueless and will pay it. With 
bike shops, you're kind of hosed around here - they all suck... but there are 
MANY independant garages (for cars) that will not screw you like this. 
Our shop charges $45 an hour labor, and you get billed for the actual labor 
with a one hour min being the only caveat. Of course, Dover DE is a LOT 
cheaper than Metro DC :)

- Roach

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Brian Roach wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Glenn Dysart wrote:
> > You guys seem to be missing something hear...  Any
> > decent shop should own a bleeder tool that hooks to an
> > air compressor and sucks the fluid through with zero
> > bubbles.  Changing the brake or clutch fluid with one
> > of those takes minutes at most.  At $180 I'm thinking
> > of buying one myself.
> 
> I was going to mention this :) Thanks Glenn.
> 
> Even using a MightyVac manual pump bleeder takes a lot less than an hour.

I haven't had much luck with the MightyVac and bleeding the Connie
brakes - somehow they still end up spongy.  Not sure what I'm
doing wrong.  Maybe it's just a Connie thing.  Anyway, I'm gonna 
try a different method, fill up a pump-style oil can with brake 
fluid, and fill up the calipers, hoses, and master cylinder from 
the bottom up.  Hopefully I'll get better results that way.

Horkster


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On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Dale Horstman wrote:
>
> I haven't had much luck with the MightyVac and bleeding the Connie
> brakes - somehow they still end up spongy.  Not sure what I'm
> doing wrong.  Maybe it's just a Connie thing.  Anyway, I'm gonna
> try a different method, fill up a pump-style oil can with brake
> fluid, and fill up the calipers, hoses, and master cylinder from
> the bottom up.  Hopefully I'll get better results that way.

Does the connie have a top bleed screw near the banjo bolts? If so you can 
suck fluid up from the bottom using the mightyVac.

- Roach

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Brian Roach wrote:

> Does the connie have a top bleed screw near the banjo bolts? If so you can
> suck fluid up from the bottom using the mightyVac.

No, but I wish it did.  There's gotta be air hiding somewhere in the 
lines or the crossover.

Hork


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Dale Horstman wrote:

> I haven't had much luck with the MightyVac and bleeding the Connie
> brakes - somehow they still end up spongy.  Not sure what I'm
> doing wrong.  Maybe it's just a Connie thing.  Anyway, I'm gonna
> try a different method, fill up a pump-style oil can with brake
> fluid, and fill up the calipers, hoses, and master cylinder from
> the bottom up.  Hopefully I'll get better results that way.
>
> Horkster

Bottom loading is the best method of bleeding bike brakes.  I thought about
giving it a try also, but I was a little short on shade-tree engineering
piecy-parts to cobble together a rig.  Method two, gravity bleeding from the
master cylinder down worked in the end but it took for-freaking-ever.  But that
bike had one caliper, one line.  I'd hate to try it on the bagger with two
lines and calipers.  Methinks I'd have to refreash my garage word vocab for
that project.

Bill


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This is unbelievable.  It matters not if you like Mat Mladin.  The last time
I checked it was a free country.  He is being find and having a point
deducted for his comments.

http://www.amasuperbike.com/pole_loud_01_presc.htm

http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=2153

I contacted AMA and told them what they could do with my membership.


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---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Gary Foreman" <fj1100@XXXXXX>
>This is unbelievable.  It matters not if you like Mat Mladin.  The last time
>I checked it was a free country.  He is being find and having a point
>deducted for his comments.
>http://www.amasuperbike.com/pole_loud_01_presc.htm
>http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=2153


I'd like to know what he said.  The first link above just has him criticizing Bostrom for allegedly blocking him, but
http://www.amasuperbike.com/matfined01loud.htm
says:
"... Mladin instead opened the press conference using profanity at times to criticize New Hampshire International Speedway, an AMA Pro Racing official, a newspaper reporter and fellow competitors. 
"


Chris Norloff



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That's strange, the Cyclenews link worked yesterday.  Maybe AMA is fining
them too :-)

Gary

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---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Gary Foreman" <fj1100@XXXXXX>
>This is unbelievable.  It matters not if you like Mat Mladin.  The last
time
>I checked it was a free country.  He is being find and having a point
>deducted for his comments.
>http://www.amasuperbike.com/pole_loud_01_presc.htm
>http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=2153


I'd like to know what he said.  The first link above just has him
criticizing Bostrom for allegedly blocking him, but
http://www.amasuperbike.com/matfined01loud.htm
says:
"... Mladin instead opened the press conference using profanity at times to
criticize New Hampshire International Speedway, an AMA Pro Racing official,
a newspaper reporter and fellow competitors.
"


Chris Norloff




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I'd like to see it, too.  :-(
Could you give us a summary?  Did he just cuss out
some people?  So WHAT?


- Jeannette
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  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

--- Gary Foreman <fj1100@XXXXXX> wrote:
> That's strange, the Cyclenews link worked yesterday.
>  Maybe AMA is fining
> them too :-)
> 
> Gary
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 8:04 AM
> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> Subject: Re: Mladin being fined by AMA!
> 
> 
> ---------- Original Message
> ----------------------------------
> From: "Gary Foreman" <fj1100@XXXXXX>
> >This is unbelievable.  It matters not if you like
> Mat Mladin.  The last
> time
> >I checked it was a free country.  He is being find
> and having a point
> >deducted for his comments.
> >http://www.amasuperbike.com/pole_loud_01_presc.htm
>
>http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=2153
> 
> 
> I'd like to know what he said.  The first link above
> just has him
> criticizing Bostrom for allegedly blocking him, but
> http://www.amasuperbike.com/matfined01loud.htm
> says:
> "... Mladin instead opened the press conference
> using profanity at times to
> criticize New Hampshire International Speedway, an
> AMA Pro Racing official,
> a newspaper reporter and fellow competitors.
> "
> 
> 
> Chris Norloff
> 
> 
> 


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Sounds to me like it's a simple case of poor sportsmanship. They do the same
thing in all other sports so I don't see the big deal?

Pete Wimer
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I'd like to see it, too.  :-(
Could you give us a summary?  Did he just cuss out
some people?  So WHAT?


- Jeannette
  '86 VFR 700 F2
  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

--- Gary Foreman <fj1100@XXXXXX> wrote:
> That's strange, the Cyclenews link worked yesterday.
>  Maybe AMA is fining
> them too :-)
> 
> Gary
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 8:04 AM
> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> Subject: Re: Mladin being fined by AMA!
> 
> 
> ---------- Original Message
> ----------------------------------
> From: "Gary Foreman" <fj1100@XXXXXX>
> >This is unbelievable.  It matters not if you like
> Mat Mladin.  The last
> time
> >I checked it was a free country.  He is being find
> and having a point
> >deducted for his comments.
> >http://www.amasuperbike.com/pole_loud_01_presc.htm
>
>http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=2153
> 
> 
> I'd like to know what he said.  The first link above
> just has him
> criticizing Bostrom for allegedly blocking him, but
> http://www.amasuperbike.com/matfined01loud.htm
> says:
> "... Mladin instead opened the press conference
> using profanity at times to
> criticize New Hampshire International Speedway, an
> AMA Pro Racing official,
> a newspaper reporter and fellow competitors.
> "
> 
> 
> Chris Norloff
> 
> 
> 


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Here's a link to some of the things he had to say:
http://www.amasuperbike.com/mladin_has_his_say.htm

What it comes down to is a complete lack of
professionalism on Mladin's part.  If he has safety
issues with the track and the way it was being
reported in the local press thats fine.  He chose the
wrong venue and the wrong means to express his
thoughts.  

Imagine this scenario - You are at work and are
supposed to be making a presentation about a project
to the press, a large client and your management and
instead of discussing the project you rant and rave
about how the client sucks, the press sucks and your
management sucks.  I don't think you would be employed
for very long. 

Personally, I think Mladin got off way too easy.  But
being the best racer in America can lead to
preferential treatment.

Don B

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeannette [mailto:gingerdc9@XXXXXX]
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 8:41 AM
To: Gary Foreman; cnorloff@XXXXXX;
dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: RE: Mladin being fined by AMA!


I'd like to see it, too.  :-(
Could you give us a summary?  Did he just cuss out
some people?  So WHAT?


- Jeannette
  '86 VFR 700 F2
  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

--- Gary Foreman <fj1100@XXXXXX> wrote:
> That's strange, the Cyclenews link worked yesterday.
>  Maybe AMA is fining
> them too :-)
> 
> Gary
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 8:04 AM
> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
> Subject: Re: Mladin being fined by AMA!
> 
> 
> ---------- Original Message
> ----------------------------------
> From: "Gary Foreman" <fj1100@XXXXXX>
> >This is unbelievable.  It matters not if you like
> Mat Mladin.  The last
> time
> >I checked it was a free country.  He is being find
> and having a point
> >deducted for his comments.
> >http://www.amasuperbike.com/pole_loud_01_presc.htm
>
>http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=2153
> 
> 
> I'd like to know what he said.  The first link above
> just has him
> criticizing Bostrom for allegedly blocking him, but
> http://www.amasuperbike.com/matfined01loud.htm
> says:
> "... Mladin instead opened the press conference
> using profanity at times to
> criticize New Hampshire International Speedway, an
> AMA Pro Racing official,
> a newspaper reporter and fellow competitors.
> "
> 
> 
> Chris Norloff
> 
> 
> 


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Just throwing in my 2 cents here FWIW.  But if you're looking for a good
local Northern Virginia independent motorcycle shop, try Crossroads
Cycles in Bailey's Crossroads (Falls Church).  (703) 820-3711.  Denny
and his crew have done good work for me and I've always found them to be
honest.

Of course, you could go to Dover, DE and let that rookie Roach wrench
your bike! %^)

Brian Roach wrote <SNIP>:
> 
> MANY independant garages (for cars) that will not screw you like this.
> Our shop charges $45 an hour labor, and you get billed for the actual labor
> with a one hour min being the only caveat. Of course, Dover DE is a LOT
> cheaper than Metro DC :)

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After reading that, he simply sounds really pissed off
about the crappy track and is expressing his opinions
about the safety issues.  I really see no problem with
that.  Has this been an issue that he's brought up
before?  If it has, I'd be pissed off too.  I see
nothing wrong with what he said, personally.  Am I
missing something?

- Jeannette
  '86 VFR 700 F2
  http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081

--- CBR's Rule <mrcbr@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Here's a link to some of the things he had to say:
> http://www.amasuperbike.com/mladin_has_his_say.htm
> 
> What it comes down to is a complete lack of
> professionalism on Mladin's part.  If he has safety
> issues with the track and the way it was being
> reported in the local press thats fine.  He chose
> the
> wrong venue and the wrong means to express his
> thoughts.  
> 
> Imagine this scenario - You are at work and are
> supposed to be making a presentation about a project
> to the press, a large client and your management and
> instead of discussing the project you rant and rave
> about how the client sucks, the press sucks and your
> management sucks.  I don't think you would be
> employed
> for very long. 
> 
> Personally, I think Mladin got off way too easy. 
> But
> being the best racer in America can lead to
> preferential treatment.
> 
> Don B
> 
>


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Here's what Motorcycle Online reported:

http://news.motorcycle.com/article.motml?sid=932

Sounds like he was being fined (in no particular order) for:

- Using profanity at the press conference (probably a justifiable reason
to levy a fine).
- Criticizing New Hampshire International Speedway, an AMA Pro Racing
official, a newspaper reporter and fellow competitors (which IMHO is a
bogus reason to fine anyone).

Chuck, aka Deerhunter

Chris Norloff wrote:
> 
> I'd like to know what he said.  The first link above just has him criticizing Bostrom for allegedly blocking him,

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I agree on the profanity.  But not for the other comments.

I also don't like how they stick a microphone in your face before you even
dismount most of the time.  No time to cool down after a frustrating run.
Don't you love it after a guy crashes in the Daytona 200 they run over and
ask "so, how do you feel?"  Sometimes I'm surprised they don't get punched
out :-)

Gary

-----Original Message-----
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Here's what Motorcycle Online reported:

http://news.motorcycle.com/article.motml?sid=932

Sounds like he was being fined (in no particular order) for:

- Using profanity at the press conference (probably a justifiable reason
to levy a fine).
- Criticizing New Hampshire International Speedway, an AMA Pro Racing
official, a newspaper reporter and fellow competitors (which IMHO is a
bogus reason to fine anyone).

Chuck, aka Deerhunter

Chris Norloff wrote:
>
> I'd like to know what he said.  The first link above just has him
criticizing Bostrom for allegedly blocking him,

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For any of you who missed my original posting, I am
attempting to satisfy my own personal curiosity as to
the demographic makeup of this forum by running a
short survey.

The results of this highly unscientific survey will be
posted on Sunday.

This posting includes some additional responses to a
couple of questions, including:  the addition of
Standard and Sport Touring Bike to the list of
motorcycle types for Question 1.  Leaving out Standard
was simply an oversight.  I had been lumping Sport
Tourers in with Tourers, but due to the public outcry,
I guess I can accept them as a separate type of MC.

There are also additional responses to the Why did you
start riding question.  If anyone desires to change a
previous answer to one of the new answers, just let me
know off-line, so that I can update your response.

BTW: I just realized that I am reading everyone else's
responses, but I have not posted my own.  So, for what
it's worth:
1.   e. Cruiser
2.   a. Every Day, rain or shine
3.   a. 12
4.   d. 25-34
5.   d. 25-34
6.   c. To connect with the world around me
7.   b. No


1. Is your primary motorcycle:
  a. Sport Bike
  b. Touring Bike
  c. Dual Sport
  d. Dirt Bike
  e. Cruiser
  f. Racing Bike
  g. Standard
  h. Sport Touring Bike

2. During the summer months, on average, how often do
you ride?
  a. Every Day, rain or shine
  b. Every day except for bad weather
  c. 3-5 days a week
  d. 1-2 days a week
  e. < 1 day a week

3. How many months a year do you ride?
  a. 12
  b. 9-11
  c. 5-8
  d. < 5

4. What age group are you in? (All responses will be
held strictly confidential)
  a. 55+
  b. 45-54
  c. 35-44
  d. 25-34
  e. <25
  f. Prefer not to answer

5. How old were you when you first started riding?
  a. 55+
  b. 45-54
  c. 35-44
  d. 25-34
  e. 15-24
  f. <15

6. Why did you start riding (best answer only)?
  a. Need for Speed
  b. To emulate a hero (movie star, racer, etc.)
  c. To connect with the world around me
  d. To make driving fun
  e. To join a group
  f. Because family members/friends did
  g. Convenience / Affordability (includes commuting /
parking)
  h. That Certain Je Ne Sais Quois (I don't know what
- for those who don't know French)
  i. Freedom of the Open Road
  j. Needed for Work
  k. Other 

7. Do you race motorcycles?
  a. Yes
  b. No



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> 1. Is your primary motorcycle:
    a. Sport Bike
        -GSXR1000     =8-))

>  2. During the summer months, on average, how often do
>  you ride?
    c. 3-5 days a week
  
>  3. How many months a year do you ride?
    b. 9-11
        Race season baby!!!  Feb-Oct!!!

>  4. What age group are you in? (All responses will be
>  held strictly confidential)
    d. 25-34

>  5. How old were you when you first started riding?
    e. 15-24

>  6. Why did you start riding (best answer only)?
    f. Because family members/friends did

>  7. Do you race motorcycles?
    a. Yes
        That would be HELL YES!  :)

Is this where we write our essay on our summer biking adventures?  :-))

Keener

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I couldn't disagree more. Judging from the article, I
thought Mladin was right on target. Don't forget that
it's his life on the line out there - in my opinion
that allows him to voice WHATEVER safety concerns he
has in any forum available to him. IMO, he earns that
right whenever he goes out onto the track.

Your scenario is flawed in several ways. There's no
one's personal safety involved in your example. If you
want to go with this comparison, though, it's more
like having a conference in a crappy hotel - don't
think the hotel management and the person in the
company who chose that hotel wouldn't hear about THAT.

Chris Weaver


--- CBR's Rule <mrcbr@XXXXXX> wrote:
> Here's a link to some of the things he had to say:
> http://www.amasuperbike.com/mladin_has_his_say.htm

> Imagine this scenario - You are at work and are
> supposed to be making a presentation about a project
> to the press, a large client and your management and
> instead of discussing the project you rant and rave
> about how the client sucks, the press sucks and your
> management sucks.  I don't think you would be
> employed
> for very long. 



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1. e Cruiser and g. Standard about equally
2. a. Every Day, rain or shine
3. a. 12
4. d. 25-34
5. d. 25-34
6. f. because family members/friends did
7. b. no



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Chris Norloff wrote:
> 
> "... Mladin instead opened the press conference using profanity at times to criticize New Hampshire International Speedway, an AMA Pro Racing official, a newspaper reporter and fellow competitors.
> "

Well, he lost a point, he's got 230 points left in his lead.  Think
he'll take every opportunity from now until the end of the season to
bitch loudly about the AMA?  I hope so...  :)

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As I recall this topic once brought forth chuckles.   No offense if times
have changed --


Sighted parked in 1800 blk of M Street Sunday afternoon:


A gorgeous gleaming Harley dresser, hard to look at for the sparkle, deep
red (magenta?) and chrome (think Fathers Day gift).  Surprised it was let
out of its case.  And on the back --


DC MC tag -- sporting the disability wheelchair icon!    Thought about
waiting around to discover the explanation, but didn't.


Bill S. / DC
[99 VN750]
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding fun.




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Jeremy and other interested parties:

This survey would be a good application for an on-line database entry
system.  Check out the one Mike Troutman did for the VFR list.
www.troutman.org/vfr  It's incredibly detailed and has a good percentage of
the VFR list membership on it for the demographically curious.

Perhaps there is a DB developer out there who can put a similar one together
for the DC Cycles list.  That way a human (i.e. Jeremy) doesn't have to plug
in all the information.

It would be an interesting addition to the dccycles.com site.  Laura?

Paul in DC
95 VFR750F
http://users.erols.com/pawilson


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Please, PLEASE visit www.roadracingworld.com and get the actual facts vs. 
what the AMA spin doctors are shoveling. Mat Mladin is being fined because he 
pissed off Merril Vanderslice (Current dictator, er, director of AMA pro 
racing). This is a huge issue that is bigger than Matt Mladin saying the word 
"shit" once in a press conference at Loudoun (and not in any context directed 
toward the AMA - he was referring to a local newspaper report about himself 
he felt was erroneous). A transcript of a taped recording on the conference 
is available on roadracingworld, along with more AMA nonsense that went on. 
Did you know why the 600cc race wasn't telivised on speedvision? Only 12 
riders (All local loudoun privateers, no factory riders) took to the grid 
after Merril dictated that the race would be run regardless of what the 
riders wanted in terms of a safety (It was starting to rain).

If you are an AMA member, please look on the aforementioned site at what John 
Ulrich (Editor/owner Roadracingworld) wants to do with the AMA - quitting 
only leaves it in the hands of Merril Vanderslice and Co - voting for change 
in the comming elections is the only way to Take Back the AMA!

- Roach


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> I couldn't disagree more. Judging from the article, I
> thought Mladin was right on target. Don't forget that
> it's his life on the line out there - in my opinion
> that allows him to voice WHATEVER safety concerns he
> has in any forum available to him. IMO, he earns that
> right whenever he goes out onto the track.
>

I agree totally.  Chris is right on.  These guys race in tons of different
conditions, ones that I would *never* put myself in.  For Mladin, or anyone
for that matter, to say that safety is a concern, I would have to believe
him.  He had every right to make that choice.  If I feel unsafe on the track
or feel conditions aren't right, I just don't race, or pull in early...to
me, it's no big deal.  I'm not chasing points or riding for a factory team.
For him to not want to ride meant things really weren't right.  I'm floored,
well, not really, that the AMA would be so damn disrespectful to any rider
in that situation.  It's just one more indication that the AMA doesn't care
about its riders...total crap.

LAG


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1. F Sportbike Racer not Dirt
2. C
3. C
4. D
5. E
6. A,I,and H or chicks dig it
7. A

Scott Luttrell
Fast & Wily Racing
www.fastandwily.com


---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Jeremy Purdy <purdyjeremy@XXXXXX>
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 06:45:03 -0700 (PDT)

>For any of you who missed my original posting, I am
>attempting to satisfy my own personal curiosity as to
>the demographic makeup of this forum by running a
>short survey.
>
>The results of this highly unscientific survey will be
>posted on Sunday.
>
>This posting includes some additional responses to a
>couple of questions, including:  the addition of
>Standard and Sport Touring Bike to the list of
>motorcycle types for Question 1.  Leaving out Standard
>was simply an oversight.  I had been lumping Sport
>Tourers in with Tourers, but due to the public outcry,
>I guess I can accept them as a separate type of MC.
>
>There are also additional responses to the Why did you
>start riding question.  If anyone desires to change a
>previous answer to one of the new answers, just let me
>know off-line, so that I can update your response.
>
>BTW: I just realized that I am reading everyone else's
>responses, but I have not posted my own.  So, for what
>it's worth:
>1.   e. Cruiser
>2.   a. Every Day, rain or shine
>3.   a. 12
>4.   d. 25-34
>5.   d. 25-34
>6.   c. To connect with the world around me
>7.   b. No
>
>
>1. Is your primary motorcycle:
>  a. Sport Bike
>  b. Touring Bike
>  c. Dual Sport
>  d. Dirt Bike
>  e. Cruiser
>  f. Racing Bike
>  g. Standard
>  h. Sport Touring Bike
>
>2. During the summer months, on average, how often do
>you ride?
>  a. Every Day, rain or shine
>  b. Every day except for bad weather
>  c. 3-5 days a week
>  d. 1-2 days a week
>  e. < 1 day a week
>
>3. How many months a year do you ride?
>  a. 12
>  b. 9-11
>  c. 5-8
>  d. < 5
>
>4. What age group are you in? (All responses will be
>held strictly confidential)
>  a. 55+
>  b. 45-54
>  c. 35-44
>  d. 25-34
>  e. <25
>  f. Prefer not to answer
>
>5. How old were you when you first started riding?
>  a. 55+
>  b. 45-54
>  c. 35-44
>  d. 25-34
>  e. 15-24
>  f. <15
>
>6. Why did you start riding (best answer only)?
>  a. Need for Speed
>  b. To emulate a hero (movie star, racer, etc.)
>  c. To connect with the world around me
>  d. To make driving fun
>  e. To join a group
>  f. Because family members/friends did
>  g. Convenience / Affordability (includes commuting /
>parking)
>  h. That Certain Je Ne Sais Quois (I don't know what
>- for those who don't know French)
>  i. Freedom of the Open Road
>  j. Needed for Work
>  k. Other 
>
>7. Do you race motorcycles?
>  a. Yes
>  b. No
>
>
>

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He just used the word "shit", commented on the continued poor quality of 
Loudoun, said some fellow riders needed to go back to club racing to learn 
the rules (he was pissed that Bostrom and someone else was blocking him 
during his qualifying lap), and blasted the local press for their coverage.  
It may have been a bit over the top for a press conference but fining $5000 
and subtracting a point from his total (which is the worse punishment!) is 
too harsh.  Just wait and see if the Superbike championship comes down to one 
point, then you will see an even bigger stink!

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<< 1. Is your primary motorcycle:
   a. Sport Bike
 
 2. During the summer months, on average, how often do
 you ride?
   c. 3-5 days a week
 
 3. How many months a year do you ride?
   a. 12

 4. What age group are you in? (All responses will be
 held strictly confidential)
   d. 25-34
 
 5. How old were you when you first started riding?
   e. 15-24
 
 6. Why did you start riding (best answer only)?
   a. Need for Speed
 
 7. Do you race motorcycles?
   a. Yes - not lately though

 

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Subject: Re: How shops bill labor

What I don't get is why shops don't bother to even buy the right tools for the job. Case in point: Kayaba forks have a damper rod with notches cut into it (reverse socket) to hold the damn thing stationary as one endevors to loosen or tighten the fork oil bolt. NOBODY has one around here. They just use an air impact wrench. That's excusable when undoing it I guess. But what about when you need to tighten the thing? To 60Nm? "Oh, we just air impact it on." Well, I have news for you jokers, when one end is spinning free it's mighty damn hard to get it to tighten down much above 40Nm. Not to mention, since when does an impact wrench substitute for a torque wrench?

Worse, should they have the tool for the job, they steadfastly REFUSE to let me use it in the corner of their garage. No, I must schedule an appointment, wait an hour for a mech to be free so he can take all of 2 minutes to put something in a vise and undo the stinking fastener.

And then have the audacity to charge me .4 hour for their efforts. hey you want money I'll give you 5 or even 10 bucks on a generous day. 

Or refuse to let me borrow a socket wrench to remove a wheel so they can work on it. "bring the wheel in your car." WTF is wrong with you people? I rode my bike here. I'll spare your overtasked mechanics a good 1/2 hour of labor and give you just the wheel. But no. "don't want customers wrenching in the parking lot." Oh, spare me the crap already. Or I need to borrow a carb idle tool for 2 shakes to turn the screws. The service mgr was thankfully AWOL so I chatted the mech who threw me the tool without a 2nd thought.

Is it any wonder I do my own damn work? Their attitude is incredible.

Sometimes I think I'd like to join MeLadden in voicing my frustration with bike shop service departments. Heck, I can borrow hundreds of dollars worth of car tools from TrakAuto for a WEEK and they don't even bat an eye.
-- 


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 1. c. Dual Sport
 2. a. Every Day, rain or shine
 3. a. 12
 4. d. 25-34
 5. e. 15-24
 6. c. To connect with the world around me
 7. b. No


Bests,

Erik


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Being handicapped doesn't preclude motorcycle riding.  See for instance the
following book
(http://www.whitehorsepress.com/OnlineCatalog/Sections/ProdData/edge.HTM),
which is pretty damn impressive!


Riding the Edge is an incredible journey by any standard, and to Dave Barr
and the people heM-^Rs inspired, itM-^Rs a dream come true. Barr is a rugged,
extraordinary adventurer who rode his 1972 Harley-Davidson around the world
despite the loss of both legs in an anti-tank mine explosion in Angola in
1981. His trip lasted four years, covering six continents and 83,000 miles!
He crossed several African deserts, circled the continent of Australia, and
negotiated the Andes during avalanche season, visiting cities and small
towns and meeting dramatically different people from every corner of the
world. Many of them lent a helping hand to Barr as he traveled alone through
dangerous terrain, bad weather, and challenging roads. One of only 100
people to have circumnavigated the world on a motorcycle, Dave is the first
person with a major disability to do so. On an epic journey of
self-exploration, Barr single-handedly created a whole new set of rules for
world travel. His book is written with great humor and candor, in a familiar
style that feels as if heM-^Rs sitting right next to you. Experiencing the
world with Dave Barr as your guide will provide you with a fascinating
change of perspective. 


-----Original Message-----
From: mobacc [mailto:mobacc@XXXXXX]
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 8:31 PM
To: DC-Cycles
Subject: Huh?


As I recall this topic once brought forth chuckles.   No offense if times
have changed --


Sighted parked in 1800 blk of M Street Sunday afternoon:


A gorgeous gleaming Harley dresser, hard to look at for the sparkle, deep
red (magenta?) and chrome (think Fathers Day gift).  Surprised it was let
out of its case.  And on the back --


DC MC tag -- sporting the disability wheelchair icon!    Thought about
waiting around to discover the explanation, but didn't.


Bill S. / DC
[99 VN750]
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding fun.



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 I've turned wrenches for a couple motorcycle shops, and a few auto shops as both an hourly and a flat rate mechanic, and it dosen't do the shop any good to loan tools out. Track Auto loans tools because there business isn't in repairing cars. These shops are there to make money not give you free labor or tool use. It dosen't look good to have customers turning wrenches in the parking lot, whats that say about your shop if your customers would rather do their own work in the parking lot? You may think that your local shop should have every tool ever made for you to borrow whenever you feel like you need it but the fact is that tools aren't cheap and why have an expensive tool laying aorund that you'll never use or get your money back from. I will agree that if the say they'll do the job then they should have the correct tools, but you can't expect them to allow you use of these tool to save you a buck that could be in there pay check.

Scott Luttrell
Fast & Wily Racing
www.fastandwily.com


---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Matthew Patton" <pattonme@XXXXXX>
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:57:59 -0500

>What I don't get is why shops don't bother to even buy the right tools for the job. Case in point: Kayaba forks have a damper rod with notches cut into it (reverse socket) to hold the damn thing stationary as one endevors to loosen or tighten the fork oil bolt. NOBODY has one around here. They just use an air impact wrench. That's excusable when undoing it I guess. But what about when you need to tighten the thing? To 60Nm? "Oh, we just air impact it on." Well, I have news for you jokers, when one end is spinning free it's mighty damn hard to get it to tighten down much above 40Nm. Not to mention, since when does an impact wrench substitute for a torque wrench?
>
>Worse, should they have the tool for the job, they steadfastly REFUSE to let me use it in the corner of their garage. No, I must schedule an appointment, wait an hour for a mech to be free so he can take all of 2 minutes to put something in a vise and undo the stinking fastener.
>
>And then have the audacity to charge me .4 hour for their efforts. hey you want money I'll give you 5 or even 10 bucks on a generous day. 
>
>Or refuse to let me borrow a socket wrench to remove a wheel so they can work on it. "bring the wheel in your car." WTF is wrong with you people? I rode my bike here. I'll spare your overtasked mechanics a good 1/2 hour of labor and give you just the wheel. But no. "don't want customers wrenching in the parking lot." Oh, spare me the crap already. Or I need to borrow a carb idle tool for 2 shakes to turn the screws. The service mgr was thankfully AWOL so I chatted the mech who threw me the tool without a 2nd thought.
>
>Is it any wonder I do my own damn work? Their attitude is incredible.
>
>Sometimes I think I'd like to join MeLadden in voicing my frustration with bike shop service departments. Heck, I can borrow hundreds of dollars worth of car tools from TrakAuto for a WEEK and they don't even bat an eye.
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Most of you seem to forget that these guys do this to make a living.

If I was to do brakes for a complete stranger, even if I had all the best
equipment and could do it in a small amount of time, I'd charge a couple
hundred bucks.  Just do the math.  Take a reasonable yearly salary for the
area, figure out the hourly rate just for the guys time.  Then at least
double that for rent on the building, supplies, phones, ads, etc. etc. etc.

As far as borrowing tools goes, the mechanics usually pay for their own
tools out of their own pockets.  If they've had bad experiences in the past
with people taking or mangling their stuff ... Lets face it, give someone an
inch, they'll take a mile (you IT people should understand that).  The
reason they often don't have the correct tool ... they have to pay for it.
If they would save a half hour on three jobs a year with a tool, they might
not find it a worthwhile investment.  I'll not even get into insurance
liability of allowing you into the corner of the shop with a tool.
If I did it for a living ... just what I need is a distraction to keep me
from doing some real work.  It may seem minor to you, but if you distract me
enough to make me forget to tighten a bolt somewhere it could get bad.
That's why they really don't want you in the shop.

That said, there are many shop mechanics around here who go to the exreme to
be a**holes.  I'd say at some of the dealerships, they are following the
examples of their bosses.  At smaller shops, if you find the owner, your
problems are usually resolved in a more friendly manner.  You just have to
keep in mind that at the end of the day, he has a large pile of bills to
pay.  If he lends you his tools and shop, or charges you nominal fees to
bleed brakes, that isn't going to happen.  I guarantee none of these guys
lives in a mansion in Potomac because they "rip you off for brakes".

Jay St. Peter



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Correct. Mat Mladin doesn't work for the AMA. He works for Suzuki. In theory, 
the AMA works for Suzuki as well - though you wouldn't know it. 

AMA Pro racing *should* be working to please their customers - the racers. 
Without the racers, there is no AMA Pro Racing. THe reverse is not true - 
there are other orgs in the country that would be HAPPY to be the #1 pro 
racing sanctioning body. As it is, they use strongarm tactics and have the 
stance that it's "Our way or the highway". And it keeps getting worse at 
every venue. 

This SAME thing happened last year at Loudoun. Except with even MORE 
disregard to riders. After the Superbike riders refused to ride in the rain, 
Merill V and AMA Pro racing decided to send out the Pro Thunder guys - after 
all, no factory involvment there - noone with any clout to complain. When 
several riders mentioned this was rather unsettling, the response from the 
track and the AMA was "We'll double the purse for anyone man enough to go out 
there". 

This, my friends, is BS.

- Roach

On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Chris Weaver wrote:
> I couldn't disagree more. Judging from the article, I
> thought Mladin was right on target. Don't forget that
> it's his life on the line out there - in my opinion
> that allows him to voice WHATEVER safety concerns he
> has in any forum available to him. IMO, he earns that
> right whenever he goes out onto the track.

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> This SAME thing happened last year at Loudoun. Except with even MORE 
>  disregard to riders. After the Superbike riders refused to ride in the 
rain, 
>  Merill V and AMA Pro racing decided to send out the Pro Thunder guys - 
after 
>  all, no factory involvment there - noone with any clout to complain. When 
>  several riders mentioned this was rather unsettling, the response from the 
>  track and the AMA was "We'll double the purse for anyone man enough to go 
> out there". 

They knew that a lot of the Pro Thunder guys would like to be seen publicly 
and maybe get a shot at better sponsership.  Those guys usually also could 
use the cash.  (Especially in a smaller field!)

Either way....Merrill V seems to be a pretty pathetic person.  Some of the 
comments attributed to him are ridiculous.  So much for giving a damn about 
the riders.
  
>  This, my friends, is BS.

Yup.  

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Perhaps this is also a contributing factor as to why crowds are
relatively small at AMA races (even Daytona doesn't pack the stands the
way a NASCAR race does).

Brian Roach wrote <SNIP>:
> 
> AMA Pro racing *should* be working to please their customers - the racers.
> Without the racers, there is no AMA Pro Racing. THe reverse is not true -
> there are other orgs in the country that would be HAPPY to be the #1 pro
> racing sanctioning body. As it is, they use strongarm tactics and have the
> stance that it's "Our way or the highway". And it keeps getting worse at
> every venue.

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On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Jay St. Peter wrote:
> Most of you seem to forget that these guys do this to make a living.
>
> If I was to do brakes for a complete stranger, even if I had all the best
> equipment and could do it in a small amount of time, I'd charge a couple
> hundred bucks.  Just do the math.  Take a reasonable yearly salary for the
> area, figure out the hourly rate just for the guys time.  Then at least
> double that for rent on the building, supplies, phones, ads, etc. etc. etc.

Ok... so why not set the hourly rate to a figure that accuratly represents 
this, instead of fraudulently padding the bill? And it is fraud - if I have a 
sign that says "Hourly rate = X" and I pad my bill beyond the time it took me 
to do the work, I'm committing a fraud on the customer. This is the reason 
for the "1 hour min" caveat most shops have listed in their rates - to pad in 
some extra billed hours on small jobs.

> As far as borrowing tools goes, the mechanics usually pay for their own
> tools out of their own pockets.  If they've had bad experiences in the past
> with people taking or mangling their stuff ... Lets face it, give someone
> an inch, they'll take a mile (you IT people should understand that).  The
> reason they often don't have the correct tool ... they have to pay for it.
> If they would save a half hour on three jobs a year with a tool, they might
> not find it a worthwhile investment.  

Yup - what he said. You have to pay for your own tools, and those "special 
tools" from the manufacturers are NOT cheap. And from experience... the 
nicest people in the world often seem to forget to return tools on a regular 
basis.  However, if it's something you use on a regular basis, I don't think 
it's unresonable to buy it - I've always done the same at home with my own 
tools - if I end up needing it more than a couple times it's probably worth 
buying it instead of making do with the wrong tool.

> That said, there are many shop mechanics around here who go to the exreme
> to be a**holes.  I'd say at some of the dealerships, they are following the
> examples of their bosses.  At smaller shops, if you find the owner, your
> problems are usually resolved in a more friendly manner.  You just have to
> keep in mind that at the end of the day, he has a large pile of bills to
> pay.  If he lends you his tools and shop, or charges you nominal fees to
> bleed brakes, that isn't going to happen.  I guarantee none of these guys
> lives in a mansion in Potomac because they "rip you off for brakes".

That's why I mentioned it's cheaper in DE - this area has a serious cost of 
living. Shops need to charge more to pay the mech, and pay the rent, etc. As 
I said, however, I believe setting a real hourly rate and charging 
"real time" would go over MUCH better than padding the bill in most 
customers' eyes.

- Roach

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Gary said:

>This is unbelievable.  It matters not if you like Mat Mladin.  The last time
>I checked it was a free country.

It is a free country. But I think the Constitution's guarantees on 
free speech don't go this far.

>I contacted AMA and told them what they could do with my membership.

You're missing a HUGE, CRITICAL point here. AMA Pro-Racing is a 
FOR-PROFIT organization (Paradama) separate from the AMA that defends 
our rights as motorcyclists. You might want to call the AMA back and 
see if you can salvage your membership. If you bail out, instead of 
voting for a change in leadership, the AMA/AMA-Pro-Racing with stay 
the same.

Chris said:

>Judging from the article, I thought Mladin was right on target. 
>Don't forget that it's his life on the line out there - in my 
>opinion that allows him to voice WHATEVER safety concerns he has in 
>any forum available to him.


Sure, but Mladin wasn't speaking ONLY on the track safety. He also 
decided to bash the local press.


The following is quoted from Larry Lawrence, (an AMA official) posted 
on the WERA BBS.

"As for the Mladin decision: Mat was simply way out of line when he 
blasted a local newspaper reporter in a press conference. The 
reporter (from the Concord Monitor) tried to get an interview with 
Mladin as he was standing under the Yosh tent. Someone with the team 
told the guy that Mladin was not granting interviews because of the 
track. So that's what the reporter wrote.

The next day a very angry Mladin (you would have had to been there to 
feel the tension in the room) held up the paper and denounced the 
reporter telling him he "was tired of reading some shit""

I personally think that Mladin's comments on the track being safe and 
whatnot were not necessarily out of line. But as the current 
Superbike Champion, and as a representative of road-racing, he should 
have behaved better. His denouncement of the local press was brash 
and rude. A lot of people disagree with the way Merill Vanderslice 
has been running AMA Pro-Racing; I'm one of them. But this time I 
think he was in the right. Our sport gets very little coverage and 
respect in the media and in our culture. It's unfortunate that the 
only time we get any real coverage or discussion is when one of our 
leading representatives of the sport behaves like a petulant, unruly 
child.

Some people will say that Vanderslice fined Mladin because Mladin 
dared to speak out against him. Maybe that's true. But if I were the 
one calling the shots, Mladin would not have gotten off scott-free.







-- 
"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the 
skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
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<div>Gary said:</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>This is unbelievable.&nbsp; It matters
not if you like Mat Mladin.&nbsp; The last time<br>
I checked it was a free country.</blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>It is a free country. But I think the Constitution's guarantees
on free speech don't go this far.</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>I contacted AMA and told them what they
could do with my membership.</blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>You're missing a HUGE, CRITICAL point here. AMA Pro-Racing is a
FOR-PROFIT organization (Paradama) separate from the AMA that defends
our rights as motorcyclists. You might want to call the AMA back and
see if you can salvage your membership. If you bail out, instead of
voting for a change in leadership, the AMA/AMA-Pro-Racing with stay
the same.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Chris said:</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Judging from the article, I thought
Mladin was right on target. Don't forget that it's his life on the
line out there - in my opinion that allows him to voice WHATEVER
safety concerns he has in any forum available to him.</blockquote>
<div><br>
<br>
</div>
<div>Sure, but Mladin wasn't speaking ONLY on the track safety. He
also decided to bash the local press.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><font color="#000000">The following is quoted from Larry
Lawrence, (an AMA official) posted on the WERA BBS.</font></div>
<div><font color="#000000"><br></font></div>
<div><font color="#000000">&quot;As for the Mladin decision: Mat was
simply way out of line when he blasted a local newspaper reporter in
a press conference. The reporter (from the Concord Monitor) tried to
get an interview with Mladin as he was standing under the Yosh tent.
Someone with the team told the guy that Mladin was not granting
interviews because of the track. So that's what the reporter
wrote.</font></div>
<div><font color="#000000"><br></font></div>
<div><font color="#000000">The next day a very angry Mladin (you
would have had to been there to feel the tension in the room) held up
the paper and denounced the reporter telling him he "was tired of
reading some shit"</font>&quot;</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I personally think that Mladin's comments on the track being
safe and whatnot were not necessarily out of line. But as the current
Superbike Champion, and as a representative of road-racing, he should
have behaved better. His denouncement of the local press was brash
and rude. A lot of people disagree with the way Merill Vanderslice
has been running AMA Pro-Racing; I'm one of them. But this time I
think he was in the right. Our sport gets very little coverage and
respect in the media and in our culture. It's unfortunate that the
only time we get any real coverage or discussion is when one of our
leading representatives of the sport behaves like a petulant, unruly
child.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Some people will say that Vanderslice fined Mladin because
Mladin dared to speak out against him. Maybe that's true. But if I
were the one calling the shots, Mladin would not have gotten off
scott-free.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>

<div>-- <br>
&quot;For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and
the skillful defiance of it.&quo