From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 1 01:09:09 2000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 01:12:38 -0400 Subject: Re: A Question for the racers... From: David Cross To: > Along the same lines, some say it's not necessary to trail > the brake and should only be used by more experienced riders after some > practice. Any thoughts? Note: alot of Guzzi models have linked brakes, so > that complicates the situation some I think. TIA. Well I am definetly not the fastest racer but here is what I do: On my FZR400 I do some trail breaking with the front in corners with a lot of hard breaking like turns 1 and 5 at Summit because I do a lot of passing under hard breaking there and I find I am still holding the break a little as I start to turn in. This may take a small toll on the amount of speed I carry through those turns but it usually lets me pass riders before those turns and carry enough speed to make the pass stick. I dont use my rear break at all at the track but a more talented racer like Collin will use the rear brake before a turn to settle the suspension and then "back it into the turn". Im gonna give that a try one of these days, but I have so many other skills to master. I cant think of any reason to be trail breaking on the street. Too much to lose and nothing to gain. At least on the track you can get one of those cool $5.00 trophies that we spend so much money trying to collect. Dave Cross CCS & WERA #416 FZR400 (saving for an SV650) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 1 09:22:45 2000 X-Sender: tech3047@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 09:20:28 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "wes 8-)#" Subject: Re: speeding cops (was RE: digest) That's what it takes though, to get a cop for speeding or any other traffic infraction. It seems like somebody has to die before "they" do anything about "it" (insert appropriate id's for "they" and "it" based on your personal experience). --wes At 01:22 31-05-00, BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: >Of course, the cop killed one innocent motorist and injured two others... but >they did get him for reckless driving... From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 1 10:00:49 2000 From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Road Atlanta Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:54:51 -0400 Is anyone going to the AMA Superbike Races this weekend? I am flying out tonight, so let me know and we can maybe meet. This is my first big race. Any advice on where to watch, what to do, etc? mark From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 1 10:24:25 2000 X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 10:29:18 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: Mem. Day weekend Well Folks, Sorry to hear I missed an activity filled weekend here in DC. Although I must admit I am not sorry I missed the Memorial Day ride. I did, however, head up to Pocono Raceway for a fun filled track day with Reduc Sportbike association. There were a total of about 30 women in the group and a wide variety of riding skills. The range of bikes was just as impressive. Everything from women who rode out for the day on Hawks from NYC to Ducatis, lots of Ducatis. There were a few women who were kicking my butt all over the track on SV 650's with luggage racks. Other bikes worthy of mention were the little Aprilla's (sp?) and an VFR 400. There was also one woman there who was some racing rookie of the year who was passing everyone on a dirt bike. The Reduc group was a nice friendly crowd, it didn't hurt that they supplied breakfast, lunch and dinner for anyone present. We had some class time and track time while split in to three skill groups. There were plenty of instructors available. One came right over to me in the afternoon when I managed to lock up both wheels and skid for what felt like about 10 feet. (for all I know I really skidded for 10 inches, it felt like alot to me.) He showed me another turn on the track that I had been taking wrong and then had me go in front of him to watch for other mistakes. I gotta lay off that rear brake. I saw huge improvement in my riding. I am no longer dragging my pegs but am now focusing on getting my butt off the seat and getting a knee down. Some of the turns felt like my knee was so close to the pavement but I bet I have got at least a foot to go! I have lots of pics but I will refrain from sending them in to the list. Pocono Raceway is really nice but I think I like the proximity of Summit. '95 VFR Lisa From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 1 10:36:58 2000 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 10:37:11 -0400 Subject: Re: tickets From: "Marcy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX well, what did the COP say you were doing wrong? he must have said something ... "you all know how fast you were going?" (uhhh cause _I_ don't) heh heh or "single file!!!" anything? anything at all? I just find hard it hard to believe that he ticketed 9 (10?) people without a word as to the reason other than "reckless driving" (while STOPPED at a light?) ... my apologies if the answer to this was already posted ... digest mode forces you to skim through sometimes ... >>>>>>>> Marcy >>>>>>>> CB-1 400F >>>>>>>> The people in your life are there because you brought them there. What you do with them is up to you. [Remove the "spamblocker" to reply] ---------- >From: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: dc-cycles digest for 05/31/00 >Date: Wed, May 31, 2000, 7:00 PM > > I hope by the time this is all said and done you guys get off scott free with an > apology from this pin-headed jerk of a cop. I just can't wait to hear what the > justification is for this if he had no radar or paced reading. This is clown is > a detriment to the image of the many reasonable LEOs out there. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 1 10:58:28 2000 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 10:58:12 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Accept-Language: en To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: advice needed christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > Yep that was me that hosted the downtown ride. It came about as a > result of your "comments" that the district was the devil ... :-) And was I wrong? :) > Hopefully that ride changed your mind a bit. It might have, had I actually done it. I blew that one off - big mistake. > Would be happy to do it again, I think I still have the original > ride sheets in my MC drawer at home. That would be cool, if you hold another one, I promise to show up, shut up, and be properly amazed this time. :) Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 1 11:40:27 2000 X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: advice needed Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 08:40:17 PDT >Actually, wasn't it you, Chris, who hosted ride in the >heart of DC itself a couple of years ago? I seem to recall >we got in a bit of a flame war as to "why?", but I'd be >willing to go on that ride now, as some of my big-city shyness >is wearing off... :) > I rode Rock Creek Park's Beach Dr to E/W Highway yesterday during lunch. I forgot what a nice ride that is. I'd be interested in trying other DC inside the beltway adventures.... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 1 11:45:27 2000 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 08:45:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Draven D'Arc" Subject: DC Ride To: DC Cycles DC RIDE! DC RIDE! DC RIDE! and, oh yeah...DC RIDE! -Corbett '99 BEE-M-dubbaU K12RS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 1 12:02:08 2000 From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Doug Allis'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: advice needed Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 11:55:49 -0400 I will be happy to organize an evening ride in July sometime. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Allis [SMTP:dhallis@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 11:40 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: advice needed > > > >Actually, wasn't it you, Chris, who hosted ride in the > >heart of DC itself a couple of years ago? I seem to recall > >we got in a bit of a flame war as to "why?", but I'd be > >willing to go on that ride now, as some of my big-city shyness > >is wearing off... :) > > > > I rode Rock Creek Park's Beach Dr to E/W Highway yesterday during lunch. I > > forgot what a nice ride that is. I'd be interested in trying other DC > inside the beltway adventures.... > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 1 12:11:09 2000 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 12:10:50 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Accept-Language: en To: Mark Kitchell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: advice needed Mark Kitchell wrote: > > I will be happy to organize an evening ride in July sometime. > > Mark Any time except the July 19th-23rd timeframe is good for me (I don't want to miss the COG National Rally that weekend! :) Dale - Advance Planners R Us -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 1 12:13:57 2000 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 12:13:44 EDT Subject: Re: tickets To: alarix_nospam_@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >well, what did the COP say you were doing wrong? he >must have said something When it was my turn in the hot seat, I asked him point-blank. All he said was "you know what you did" and handed me the ticket Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 1 12:24:57 2000 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 12:24:40 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Accept-Language: en To: MJordan666@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tickets MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > > >well, what did the COP say you were doing wrong? he >must have said something > > When it was my turn in the hot seat, I asked him point-blank. All he said was "you know what you did" and handed me the ticket > > Michael J. I sincerely wish you all the best of luck in beating this bastard in court. Talk about unprofessional conduct. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 1 12:42:28 2000 From: "Greg" To: Subject: Clutch cable Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 12:30:32 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 To all: My clutch cable popped last night and I was wondering first, is it difficult to replace? And second, how would I go about doing it? BTW the bike is an 87 EX 500. Any help would be greatly appreciated. John From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 1 12:55:52 2000 X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tickets Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 09:55:41 PDT Well at least you know that you're dealing with a real bad ... You're going to have to see the cop's notes to see what he thought you did. Before you go to trial you get the opportunity to review them. Make sure your lawyer asks for this stuff.... Its called "discovery" and your entitled to see it all. Mine had the weather, the volume of traffic, wheither I was weaving around traffic, my general attitude, and what I said (not much!). Sometimes it takes a letter from a lawyer to shake it all loose. My trial was actually delayed because the cop didn't get the stuff to my lawyer within some time limit before the trial. When he got them my lawyer said that the notes killed any hopes of a reckless conviction. The cop didn't even argue about it. I got "improper driving" and a small fine. I was doing 77 mph in a 55 on I-395. Light traffic all going about the same speed. He was in an umarked car and had his choice of me or the cars around me. He got me. He told me exactly what I was doing and that he got me on radar and paced us all for over a mile. Looking back at it, I don't think he ever thought I'd get convicted of reckless. >When it was my turn in the hot seat, I asked him point-blank. All he said >was "you know what you did" and handed me the ticket > >Michael J. > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 1 14:56:51 2000 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 14:56:54 -0400 From: Larry Meyer X-Accept-Language: en,pdf To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: tickets The cop asked me if the address on my license was right and asked me to confirm my eye color. Nothing more. Larry From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 1 15:07:51 2000 From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Cop Motivation? Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 14:59:25 -0400 I don't know if this applies in this area or to the cop in question, but here's a possible reason the cop stopped everyone and gave out tickets for no apparent reason: Quotas. If the cop does have a ticket quota to fill, you all were highly desirable subjects. You were already stopped, it was the end of the month and he could get multiple (9 or 10!) tickets written all at once. The fact that he didn't tell you WHY you were being cited for reckless tells me he might not care if you get off or not - he was just interested in filling his quota. I don't know for sure, obviously, but it seems plausible. I'm always a little more cautious near the end (and the beginning in case of anal-retentive cops) of each month for this reason. Chris Weaver '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 1 15:12:38 2000 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 15:12:14 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Cop Motivation? At 02:59 PM 6/1/00 , Weaver, Chris_(MD) wrote: >I don't know for sure, obviously, but it seems plausible. I'm always a >little more cautious near the end (and the beginning in case of >anal-retentive cops) of each month for this reason. Don't forget - this was Memorial Day. A lot of cops on the road looking for fodder. Getting a ticket w/o explanation - isn't that like taxation w/o representation? Need some help dumping tea? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 1 15:17:21 2000 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 12:17:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Clutch cable To: Greg , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Greg wrote: > To all: My clutch cable popped last night and I was > wondering first, is it > difficult to replace? And second, how would I go > about doing it? BTW the > bike is an 87 EX 500. Any help would be greatly > appreciated. I'm not a real motorcycle mechanic, I just play the part whenever the lack of money indicates I should. It isn't that hard to do. The toughest part is getting the new cable snaked through the front of the bike. I try to duct tape the new cable to the old one before I pull it out so it follows the old one through. It usually gets caught on something and I have to pull the whole bike apart anyway, but once in a while it works. Connecting the cable is relatively easy. The large adjustment is done down at the clutch end, fine/final adjustment is done at the clutch lever. The adjustment nuts will have a slot that you line up to remove or replace the cable. Adjust it so the end of the lever has about 3/4" of play before it pulls hard on the cable. If it slips at high RPM there isn't enough play, if you can't get the bike into gear there's too much play, the right amount is somewhere in between those two extremes (it's also in the maintenance book) Leon. What's the right way Brian? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 1 15:25:08 2000 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 12:24:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cop Motivation? To: "Weaver, Chris_\(MD\)" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" And this is the exact reason that when I ride in groups I let people know that if the cop is behind me pulling me over TO NOT STOP and vice versa!!! Why should everyone get tickets? If everyone goes a differnet direction at most he can grab two or three and since he's already pulled someone else over and not pursuing you I don't think they can convict you of evading if they catch you... Obviously you can do what you want but if I am in front of any of you guys and a cop pulls you over don't expect me to stop. I'll catch you down the road somewhere. Glenn --- "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" wrote: > I don't know if this applies in this area or to the > cop in question, but > here's a possible reason the cop stopped everyone > and gave out tickets for > no apparent reason: Quotas. If the cop does have a > ticket quota to fill, you > all were highly desirable subjects. You were already > stopped, it was the end > of the month and he could get multiple (9 or 10!) > tickets written all at > once. The fact that he didn't tell you WHY you were > being cited for reckless > tells me he might not care if you get off or not - > he was just interested in > filling his quota. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 1 15:34:45 2000 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 12:34:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cop Motivation? To: "Weaver, Chris_\(MD\)" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Oh and I should have mentioned I've done this three times and the people that I have left behind never got tickets, the cop was more interested in "who's your buddy" and trying to come find me. Needless to say I was long gone. Of course the one time it happened to me I got a ticket, my buddy got away. Glenn --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > And this is the exact reason that when I ride in > groups I let people know that if the cop is behind > me > pulling me over TO NOT STOP and vice versa!!! Why > should everyone get tickets? If everyone goes a > differnet direction at most he can grab two or three > and since he's already pulled someone else over and > not pursuing you I don't think they can convict you > of > evading if they catch you... Obviously you can do > what you want but if I am in front of any of you > guys > and a cop pulls you over don't expect me to stop. > I'll catch you down the road somewhere. > > Glenn > > > --- "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" > wrote: > > I don't know if this applies in this area or to > the > > cop in question, but > > here's a possible reason the cop stopped everyone > > and gave out tickets for > > no apparent reason: Quotas. If the cop does have a > > ticket quota to fill, you > > all were highly desirable subjects. You were > already > > stopped, it was the end > > of the month and he could get multiple (9 or 10!) > > tickets written all at > > once. The fact that he didn't tell you WHY you > were > > being cited for reckless > > tells me he might not care if you get off or not - > > he was just interested in > > filling his quota. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! > Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 1 15:40:20 2000 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 15:40:03 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Accept-Language: en To: dysart@XXXXXX CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Cop Motivation? Glenn Dysart wrote: > > And this is the exact reason that when I ride in > groups I let people know that if the cop is behind me > pulling me over TO NOT STOP and vice versa!!! Why > should everyone get tickets? I heard that this happened on a Concours group ride one time (I wasn't there). One guy (forever after known as Tony "The Ticket") was at the tail end of a group of Connies when Mr. Police guy whips up behind them all, lights-a-flashing. Tony pulls over, everyone else keeps going. The rest of the gang stops out of sight a ways up the road, and when Tony arrives, looking glum after getting a ticket to the policeman's ball, he was amazed at how all the other Connie riders whipped out their wallets and started handing him money. After all, he took one for the group. Now I don't know if he turned a profit (doubtful, considering his insurance may have jumped) but I'm sure it took the sting out of the encounter for ol Tony the Ticket. :) Sounds like a good new procedure to adopt on our DC cycles rides. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 1 16:37:36 2000 From: "Wood, Sally" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Thanks Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:36:43 -0400 Hi Laura, I have a '98 GS500E, and have been riding for only a little over a year. I'm always looking for other girls to ride with. Not that I wouldn't like to ride with you guys, it's just that for now I'm pretty conservative and think you may get bored waiting for me to catch up. Anyway Laura, if you're interested in going out some time, e-mail me. I live in Fairfax. Take care! Sally X-Sent: 30 May 2000 23:21:00 GMT From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: Thanks Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 19:26:59 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01BFCA6D.062383A0 Thanks to everyone who gave me great advice regarding whether I should = make the Memorial Day Ride or not. As you know, I didn't make it. As a = beginner rider, I decided the weather wasn't primo for my debut! But = just wanted to say thanks to everyone who introduced themselves and gave = me great advice. I can't wait to meet you all. Good luck with the = whole ticket fiasco! I hate to see b.s. stuff like that happen. =20 Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 1 18:35:13 2000 From: "David Weaver" To: "Wood, Sally" Cc: Subject: Re: Thanks Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 18:25:43 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Hey Sally! It's Dave, your neighbor on the EX-500. Good to know you found the DC Cycles list... these folks are great to ride with and almost always have something to participate in during the week/weekend. One thing that I've always liked is that most rides I've been on have been split into two groups, one paced a little slower than the other. It also seems that the slower group tends to attract more riders too. Another site to check out is http://members.aol.com/AWheat/nova_mgr.html . This group usually has fun rides through the area, as well as participating in poker runs (no knowledge of poker required, good thing for me!). Anyway, welcome to the list! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wood, Sally" To: Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 4:36 PM Subject: Thanks > Hi Laura, > > I have a '98 GS500E, and have been riding for only a little over a year. > I'm always looking for other girls to ride with. Not that I wouldn't like > to ride with you guys, it's just that for now I'm pretty conservative and > think you may get bored waiting for me to catch up. Anyway Laura, if you're > interested in going out some time, e-mail me. I live in Fairfax. Take > care! > > Sally > > > > > X-Sent: 30 May 2000 23:21:00 GMT > From: "Laura Granato" > To: > Subject: Thanks > Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 19:26:59 -0400 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01BFCA6D.062383A0 > > Thanks to everyone who gave me great advice regarding whether I should = > make the Memorial Day Ride or not. As you know, I didn't make it. As a = > beginner rider, I decided the weather wasn't primo for my debut! But = > just wanted to say thanks to everyone who introduced themselves and gave = > me great advice. I can't wait to meet you all. Good luck with the = > whole ticket fiasco! I hate to see b.s. stuff like that happen. =20 > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 1 18:47:49 2000 X-Sent: 1 Jun 2000 22:47:33 GMT Reply-To: From: "Jim Maier" To: Subject: Any cruiser riders up for a take-it-easy ride on Saturday? Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 18:47:36 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I am "leading" a ride with 1 or 2 other cruiser buddies on Saturday. We will be heading out early Saturday, to the west of the DC area for a good part of the day (hope to be back late-afternoon). Thinking about hitting part of skyline drive, perhaps lunching in Culpepper, and tooling around on some of the scenic byways. Any cruiser riders or others interested in a *LEISURELY* ride (not planning on pushing the limits of the law, physics, our bikes OR our bodies), please send me an e-mail at jmaier@XXXXXX . Will figure out the details sometime in next 24 hours. -Jim Maier 1997 Suzuki Intruder 1400, Tag: HDENVY jmaier@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 1 19:17:05 2000 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 19:21:36 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Accept-Language: en To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Thanks And thanks to Collin and Brian's now infamous Memorial Day ride (wish I had been in town to ride with everyone), we are now dividing rides into two groups: (1) those that get tickets and (2) those that don't! %^) Sorry, guys -- couldn't resist. Skittles David Weaver wrote : > > have something to participate in during the week/weekend. One thing that > I've always liked is that most rides I've been on have been split into two > groups, one paced a little slower than the other. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 1 19:22:21 2000 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:22:08 EDT Subject: Re: Thanks To: swood@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/1/00 16:39:57 Eastern Daylight Time, swood@XXXXXX writes: > it's just that for now I'm pretty conservative and > think you may get bored waiting for me to catch up Hi Sally - we'd MUCH rather be bored waiting for you to catch up than not to have you catch up at all or go over your head trying to keep up. We've never left a rider behind on purpose ( there have been miscommunications from time to time...) and the idea is for everyone to have a good experience. And you CAN'T be any slower or more conservative than Jeanette was when she was starting out ;-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 1 19:49:06 2000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 19:52:44 -0400 Subject: Re: A Question for the racers... From: David Cross To: Wow, I really do know the difference between "breaking" and "braking". It was 1:00 AM so I hope you all understand. dave cross > Well I am definetly not the fastest racer but here is what I do: > > On my FZR400 I do some trail breaking with the front in corners with a lot > of hard breaking like turns 1 and 5 at Summit because I do a lot of passing > under hard breaking there and I find I am still holding the break a little > as I start to turn in. This may take a small toll on the amount of speed I > carry through those turns but it usually lets me pass riders before those > turns and carry enough speed to make the pass stick. > > I dont use my rear break at all at the track but a more talented racer like > Collin will use the rear brake before a turn to settle the suspension and > then "back it into the turn". Im gonna give that a try one of these days, > but I have so many other skills to master. > > I cant think of any reason to be trail breaking on the street. Too much to > lose and nothing to gain. At least on the track you can get one of those > cool $5.00 trophies that we spend so much money trying to collect. > > Dave Cross > CCS & WERA #416 > FZR400 (saving for an SV650) > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 1 20:58:09 2000 X-Really-To: X-Sender: biga@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 20:24:47 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: Re: tickets He had his routine down by the time he got to me. "I'm citing you for General Reckless." ok "You're to appear......" ok and then At 02:56 PM 6/1/00 -0400, you wrote: >The cop asked me if the address on my license was right and asked me to confirm my >eye color. Nothing more. > Wonder what his thing was about the eye color? ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ J. Andrew Culpepper King George, VA (540) 775-3984 '90 EX500 S-TRA# 100 AMA #304533 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 1 21:33:13 2000 X-Really-To: X-Sender: biga@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 21:30:09 -0400 To: From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: Re: Any cruiser riders up for a take-it-easy ride on Saturday? Cc: jmaier@XXXXXX Hi Jim, I can pretend to be a leisure cruiser. I'll be "riding like a nun" for at least two months. My sister and her family will be camping at Big Meadows on Skyline drive Saturday and Sunday so it would be fun for me to visit if we get down that far. The weather's looking perfect. Count me in. Andrew At 06:47 PM 6/1/00 -0400, you wrote: >I am "leading" a ride with 1 or 2 other cruiser buddies on Saturday. We will >be heading out early Saturday, to the west of the DC area for a good part of >the day (hope to be back late-afternoon). Thinking about hitting part of >skyline drive, perhaps lunching in Culpepper, and tooling around on some of >the scenic byways. Any cruiser riders or others interested in a *LEISURELY* >ride (not planning on pushing the limits of the law, physics, our bikes OR >our bodies), please send me an e-mail at jmaier@XXXXXX . Will figure >out the details sometime in next 24 hours. > >-Jim Maier >1997 Suzuki Intruder 1400, Tag: HDENVY >jmaier@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 2 01:50:13 2000 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 22:50:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Clutch Cable To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX John, Clutch cable on EX 500 is super easy to replace. Buy the new one (get two and keep one under the tail section as an emergency spare) then just start at one end and follow where the old one leads... 5 minute job. Collin From: "Greg" To all: My clutch cable popped last night and I was wondering first, is it difficult to replace? And second, how would I go about doing it? BTW the bike is an 87 EX 500. Any help would be greatly appreciated. John ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 2 01:59:52 2000 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 22:59:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I wholeheartedly agree with you on this one Glenn. Unfortunately, we were sitting at the stop sign more or less in neutral. The trooper made it very apparent that he wanted all of us to not move at all. He made a very solid eye contact with me as he came within seein range, and his face said "don't even think about movin". With some of the recent happenings to DC sportbiker types, I figured I wouldn't push my luck (granted they were in PG county in MD) figuring the guy was gonna give us a stiff a$$ chewin since he hadn't actually seen anything...he had other plans.. CT From: Glenn Dysart And this is the exact reason that when I ride in groups I let people know that if the cop is behind me pulling me over TO NOT STOP and vice versa!!! ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 2 08:41:41 2000 Reply-To: "The Flowers" From: "The Flowers" To: , , , Subject: Re: [cb-750] hit deer-fell down/ ins follow-up Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 08:43:07 -0400 Organization: Sunny Flowers Recreation Center and Asylum X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; Sent: May 14, 2000 7:06 AM Subject: [cb-750] hit deer-fell down/ ins follow-up > They covered the riding gear under a provion in the policy governing > "personel effects" and by some creative accounting using my home owners > policy. That is probably one advantage of having all my insurance with one > company--cars, bike, and home owners. Or disadvantage. Personally, I don't think your homeowners insurance should have to pay replacing personal items for a vehicle accident. In fact, how would they have handled the claim if you had only the motorcycle insurance with them. If it was a car accident and you had personal items destroyed in an accident, would that be covered under your homeowner's insurance? Just curious, I really don't know. -- Willemina (Honda CB450SC) SWMBO of -- Bill "Bench Dawg" Flowers Clearwater FL '00 Sapphire Blue Triumph Sprint ST "Jewel" From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 2 08:43:12 2000 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 05:43:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: To: "Collin T. Fagan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I understand that your situation was different, that you were not moving. I was just stating that in other instances its a good idea to split up when the man gets on the scene. Glenn --- "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > I wholeheartedly agree with you on this one Glenn. > Unfortunately, we were sitting at the stop sign more > or less in > neutral. The trooper made it very apparent that he > wanted all of us to > not move at all. He made a very solid eye contact > with me as he came > within seein range, and his face said "don't even > think about movin". > With some of the recent happenings to DC sportbiker > types, I figured I > wouldn't push my luck (granted they were in PG > county in MD) figuring > the guy was gonna give us a stiff a$$ chewin since > he hadn't actually > seen anything...he had other plans.. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 2 08:58:04 2000 From: "Wood, Sally" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Thanks Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 08:57:16 -0400 Thanks for all the messages and the reassurance! It's nice to know I wouldn't be totally out of my league on the group rides. I will definitely try to make the next one. Sally -----Original Message----- From: MJordan666@XXXXXX [mailto:MJordan666@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 7:22 PM To: swood@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Thanks In a message dated 6/1/00 16:39:57 Eastern Daylight Time, swood@XXXXXX writes: > it's just that for now I'm pretty conservative and > think you may get bored waiting for me to catch up Hi Sally - we'd MUCH rather be bored waiting for you to catch up than not to have you catch up at all or go over your head trying to keep up. We've never left a rider behind on purpose ( there have been miscommunications from time to time...) and the idea is for everyone to have a good experience. And you CAN'T be any slower or more conservative than Jeanette was when she was starting out ;-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 2 09:15:21 2000 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 09:18:26 -0400 From: Zachariah Mully Organization: SmartBrief.com X-Accept-Language: en To: DC Cycles Subject: Recommended backroads in PA Listers- I am finally rid of my bikeless state! I found a KLR for sale up in Waymart, PA (just north of Scraton) and purchased it last weekend. Unfortunately, I went up by myself so I had no choice but to leave it there until I could pick it up. I was expecting my girlfriend to assist me next weekend, and give me a lift up there, but unfortunately, she already had plans (I am sure you all can understand ;). So what I am wondering is since I will have to bus it up there (unless anyone happens to be headed that way, I would be more than happy to help with gas, tolls and company), what would be a fun trip back down to DC? I superslabbed it going up there in the cage, 95N to 476N, but 476N is as straight and boring of a road as I have ever been on. And I certainely don't want to waste a prime opportunity to test out a bike that is supposed to be supreme in the twisties. So anyone on the list that knows that part of PA well enough to recommend some roads? I am not planning on blitzing the trip, in fact I am thinking of making it a two day meander, camping out somewhere. Of course, if that camping out happens to be up the side of a mountain along some fireroads/logging roads, well I suppose I won't be able to resist testing out "the poor man 's GS". I appreciate any recommendations, even partial, for good roads in PA, if you recommend them, I am sure I can find a way to ride them! Thanks! Zack P.S. I will be looking forward to meeting/riding with you all in the coming months! Hooray for two wheeled transport! From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 2 09:24:46 2000 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 09:27:52 -0400 From: Zachariah Mully Organization: SmartBrief.com X-Accept-Language: en To: DC Cycles Subject: Insurance.... Listers- Because of my recent purchase, I now have to insure the bike in DC. I was wondering what insurance you DC listers are using. I called Progressive and they said they don't insure in DC and Geico quoted me $719 for a year of full everything (collision, comprehensive, towing, medical). It seems a bit high considering the bike is a 1991 and only 650cc's, and I haven't had a ticket in well over 3 years. Then again I do live in SE DC, but the bike will be garaged. What gives? On another note, when I asked what is covered by the insurance (accesories, etc.) they told me that they won't insure my riding/protective gear... Well, I think that is f***** stupid, being that I am trying to be as safe as possible but the insurance companies won't give me any credit for it. So (and I know that this has come up on the list) I am left with homeowners insurance to cover any destroyed riding gear, correct? And is the AMA (which I am not yet a member, but in my mind they're like the NRA, which I can't support whole heartedly either, because I feel they're picking the wrong battles) doing anything about this... I feel it is a total dis-incentive to all us riders who just want to ride and be protected. I looked at their site, but nogo on the insurance/gear issue. Kinda sucks.. Thanks, Zack From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 2 09:38:11 2000 From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Sighting: NRA Range yesterday evening Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 06:37:09 -0700 Is the person with the red PC-800 and silver/grey flip-front helmet that I saw at the NRA range yesterday around 6:30pm on the list? If so, send me a note - maybe we can hookup sometime. Perry D. Coleman McAfee Business Unit 301-947-7180 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 2 09:39:50 2000 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 06:39:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Recommended backroads in PA To: Zachariah Mully , DC Cycles Zach, there are a ton of good roads up in that area but since I don't have a map here at work anymore I can't give you any specifics. What I do want to mention though is that if you do find someone to take you back up there to AVOID I-95. IMO the best way to slab it to the Scranton area is to take I-270 to US 15 to PA 581 to I-81 right into Scranton. Not only do you miss ALL the tolls (and traffic) but its quicker and more scenic. Glenn --- Zachariah Mully wrote: > Listers- > I am finally rid of my bikeless state! I found a > KLR for sale up in > Waymart, PA (just north of Scraton) and purchased it > last weekend. > Unfortunately, I went up by myself so I had no > choice but to leave it > there until I could pick it up. I was expecting my > girlfriend to assist > me next weekend, and give me a lift up there, but > unfortunately, she > already had plans (I am sure you all can understand > ;). So what I am > wondering is since I will have to bus it up there > (unless anyone happens > to be headed that way, I would be more than happy to > help with gas, > tolls and company), what would be a fun trip back > down to DC? > I superslabbed it going up there in the cage, 95N > to 476N, but 476N is > as straight and boring of a road as I have ever been > on. And I __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 2 09:47:33 2000 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 09:51:25 -0400 From: "Paul F. Johnston" To: , Subject: Re: Insurance.... Content-Disposition: inline X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e52Dlfk11326 HI ZACK: I use Geico Direct and got a GREAT price from them for insuring my bike, but then we insure our cars through Geico's main office and live in Montgomery County. Other mitigating factors may apply as well. Be sure you contact their motorcycle insurance group rather than their main office; the phone is 800-44-CYCLE. When setting premiums, location is extremely important, as is your age and bike model. Apologies if you're already finding that out the hard way...Rider magazine has an insurance plan (through Progressive?), and the AMA may as well. PAUL >>> Zachariah Mully - 06/02/00 9:27 AM >>> Listers- Because of my recent purchase, I now have to insure the bike in DC. I was wondering what insurance you DC listers are using. I called Progressive and they said they don't insure in DC and Geico quoted me $719 for a year of full everything (collision, comprehensive, towing, medical). It seems a bit high considering the bike is a 1991 and only 650cc's, and I haven't had a ticket in well over 3 years. Then again I do live in SE DC, but the bike will be garaged. What gives? On another note, when I asked what is covered by the insurance (accesories, etc.) they told me that they won't insure my riding/protective gear... Well, I think that is f***** stupid, being that I am trying to be as safe as possible but the insurance companies won't give me any credit for it. So (and I know that this has come up on the list) I am left with homeowners insurance to cover any destroyed riding gear, correct? And is the AMA (which I am not yet a member, but in my mind they're like the NRA, which I can't support whole heartedly either, because I feel they're picking the wrong battles) doing anything about this... I feel it is a total dis-incentive to all us riders who just want to ride and be protected. I looked at their site, but nogo on the insurance/gear issue. Kinda sucks.. Thanks, Zack From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 2 10:24:40 2000 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 07:24:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Insurance.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sorry but I got to throw in my anti-Geico words here. Some of you can appreciate it as you've just gotten tickets. Not only is Geico cheap when it comes to claims by wanting to put NON-OEM parts back on almost new vehicles but they also give LIDAR guns to MD for speed enforcement. Not to mention their stupid forms they send out each year questioning you 1000 things like "Do you use a radar detector" among the many other stupid questions. And they threaten you that if you don't return the form they might cancel you. Again these are just a few of their many short comings. IMO stay away from Geico and get a real insurance company, and contrary to popular belief they are not always the cheapest for insurance. Glenn --- "Paul F. Johnston" wrote: > HI ZACK: > > I use Geico Direct and got a GREAT price from them > for insuring my bike, but then we insure our cars > through Geico's main office and live in Montgomery > County. Other mitigating factors may apply as well. > Be sure you contact their motorcycle insurance group > rather than their main office; the phone is > 800-44-CYCLE. When setting premiums, location is > extremely important, as is your age and bike model. > Apologies if you're already finding that out the > hard way...Rider magazine has an insurance plan > (through Progressive?), and the AMA may as well. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 2 10:41:36 2000 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 10:41:30 -0400 Subject: Re: tickets From: "Marcy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX sounds to me like he had a quota! aren't they supposed to tell you why you're being busted? >>>>>>>> Marcy >>>>>>>> CB-1 400F >>>>>>>> The people in your life are there because you brought them there. What you do with them is up to you. [Remove the "_NOSPAM_" to reply] ---------- >From: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: dc-cycles digest for 06/01/00 >Date: Thu, Jun 1, 2000, 7:00 PM > >>well, what did the COP say you were doing wrong? he >must have said something > > When it was my turn in the hot seat, I asked him point-blank. All he said > was "you know what you did" and handed me the ticket > > Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 2 10:43:25 2000 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 10:43 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dysart@XXXXXX" , "Dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: Insurance.... Also, they go back five years on their investigations versus three years like the majority of insurance companies and they make everything stick. They wanted to charge us nearly $3000 a year for insurance on our Pontiac Formula! This was an increase of almost 400% over the original quote. We decided to go with my original insurance company of which cut the cost well in half. Geico sucks! Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: Insurance.... Author: dysart@XXXXXX Date: 06/02/2000 10:24 AM Sorry but I got to throw in my anti-Geico words here. Some of you can appreciate it as you've just gotten tickets. Not only is Geico cheap when it comes to claims by wanting to put NON-OEM parts back on almost new vehicles but they also give LIDAR guns to MD for speed enforcement. Not to mention their stupid forms they send out each year questioning you 1000 things like "Do you use a radar detector" among the many other stupid questions. And they threaten you that if you don't return the form they might cancel you. Again these are just a few of their many short comings. IMO stay away from Geico and get a real insurance company, and contrary to popular belief they are not always the cheapest for insurance. Glenn --- "Paul F. Johnston" wrote: > HI ZACK: > > I use Geico Direct and got a GREAT price from them > for insuring my bike, but then we insure our cars > through Geico's main office and live in Montgomery > County. Other mitigating factors may apply as well. > Be sure you contact their motorcycle insurance group > rather than their main office; the phone is > 800-44-CYCLE. When setting premiums, location is > extremely important, as is your age and bike model. > Apologies if you're already finding that out the > hard way...Rider magazine has an insurance plan > (through Progressive?), and the AMA may as well. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 2 11:04:32 2000 X-Sender: wes@XXXXXX (Unverified) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 11:01:05 -0400 To: Dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: wes Subject: Re[2]: Insurance.... I don't know about their background checks, but I pay a pretty good rate through State Farm, about $350/year for full coverage w/a $250 deductible for my '99 Bandit 1200. My policy (at least) covers helmets and up to $2000 in aftermarket accessories as long as their installation was documented (receipts & pictures). There's no discount for having auto through the same office, because the m/c is on a separate policy. My agent has been a lot of help in the last year dealing with settling my claim (m/c accident May '99) -- the lady who ran me over also has State Farm and *her* claims office has been a pain in the a$$. Leads me to believe that there are good agents & bad ones. Duh, I guess, that's life, right? Anyway, my too sense. --wes From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 2 11:15:49 2000 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 08:15:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: Re: Insurance.... To: Zachariah Mully , DC Cycles Insurance companies are terrified of covering a bike in D.C. because of rampant theft. I had two bikes stolen last year when I lived on Capitol Hill. I moved to Virginia. My advice would be to move to Virginia or Maryland, or stay in the district and insure it through a relative or friend's place outside of the city (establish residence) and keep it hidden when it's in the city. Sean --- Zachariah Mully wrote: > Listers- > Because of my recent purchase, I now have to insure > the bike in DC. I > was wondering what insurance you DC listers are > using. I called > Progressive and they said they don't insure in DC > and Geico quoted me > $719 for a year of full everything (collision, > comprehensive, towing, > medical). It seems a bit high considering the bike > is a 1991 and only > 650cc's, and I haven't had a ticket in well over 3 > years. Then again I > do live in SE DC, but the bike will be garaged. What > gives? > On another note, when I asked what is covered by > the insurance > (accesories, etc.) they told me that they won't > insure my > riding/protective gear... Well, I think that is > f***** stupid, being > that I am trying to be as safe as possible but the > insurance companies > won't give me any credit for it. So (and I know that > this has come up on > the list) I am left with homeowners insurance to > cover any destroyed > riding gear, correct? And is the AMA (which I am not > yet a member, but > in my mind they're like the NRA, which I can't > support whole heartedly > either, because I feel they're picking the wrong > battles) doing anything > about this... I feel it is a total dis-incentive to > all us riders who > just want to ride and be protected. I looked at > their site, but nogo on > the insurance/gear issue. Kinda sucks.. > > Thanks, > Zack __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 2 15:32:10 2000 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 15:31:59 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Accept-Language: en To: DC Cycles List Subject: MD 2020 Rally info Forwarded message about the Rally. I hope to see some folks from DC-Cycles try to run in this event! Horkster ============================== Collective, Although Rally Pre-registration closes today (postmarks are the key), you still have the opportunity to enter the Mason Dixon 20-20, Group Saddlesore challenge June 10-11, in State Line, PA. This is an official Iron Butt Association event and an "easy" way to earn your IBA certificate- just show up and ride- no special paperwork or extra effort. This is not a COG sponsored ride. The 1057 mile Route, laid out almost entirely by co-route masters COG SS Admiral Louis Caplan and Todd Peer (an ST pilot), includes 388 miles of double yellow highway top grade Applachian twisties; your read that right- that's 388 miles, all in the first 1/2 of The Route. There will be: Food; a planned late afternoon/ early evening Dinner Stop along I-90; Food; two harder to get "I've Been Everwhere" stops (possible a very hard to get third, if it works out); Food; and, a Banquet on Sunday. Just make sure you sign up by 05:15am June 10 with the Rally Staff. For more Details, please see the website: http://MD-20-20.tripod.com Hope to see you there! Rick, MD-20-20webbastard From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 2 17:30:41 2000 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 17:29:21 -0400 From: Greg Hargett Subject: Clutch Cable for 87 EX 500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-to: jhargett@XXXXXX Hi all, does anyone have a spare / extra clutch cable they could sell me? It is for an 87 EX 500, and would be greatly appreciated. John From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 2 18:55:45 2000 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 18:55:30 EDT Subject: Looking For Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Pardon the bandwidth, but are you out there, Hugh? Please reply regarding the Memorial Day's event Thanks Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 2 19:10:43 2000 X-Real-To: Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 19:04:40 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Is my bike fixed??? Chapter seventy `leven in the broken Harley tale, which began months ago while I was on my way to the dc-cycles circle event. My bike is *fixed* last Friday, but alas, 40 miles down the road it be dead again. Seems the nut on the end of the crank came loose (never torqued?) allowing the cam drive gear to come loose, which killed valve action and ignition - a double whammy. So last night it's *fixed* again! Okay, so I chug on home, feeling strange vibes I've never felt before, and notice that my turn signals aren't working - an early warning sign of a dead battery. So this AM I decide to check the alternator plug as it can get dirty. ???WHATDAFUG!!! Yeppers, sports fans, seems the plug was never reattached during assembly. Now about that curious vibe ? Could it be, based on a loose nut, forgotten plug track record, that the upper motor stabilzer was never properly tightened? Stay tuned, I'll be checking on that soon... Bill `93 FLHS in need of TLC From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 2 21:33:56 2000 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 21:33:33 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Accept-Language: en To: Bill Huson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Is my bike fixed??? Bill Huson wrote about getting his Harley out of the shop: > Seems the nut on the end of the crank came loose (never torqued?) > my turn signals aren't working > dead battery. > seems the plug was never reattached during assembly. > upper motor stabilzer was never properly tightened? Damn Bill, it sounds like that Harley dealer is sending his mechanics to Jap Bike school! I thought only us rice-riders had to deal with inept wrench spinners. Dealers suck! Period! Wishing you Loctite dreams and Goodwrench level service. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) Dale City, VA, USA, Earth Feeling blue because the Cap 1000 is history? Then go here! The Mason Dixon 20-20 website: http://MD-20-20.tripod.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 2 21:38:21 2000 From: RMccre5861@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 21:38:04 EDT Subject: Re: Is my bike fixed??? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Bill do you pay them to screw your bike up? I do not think i would like to go very far after they have been working on it. I think you need a new shop???? RMC From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 2 22:24:29 2000 X-Real-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 22:18:34 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: Dale Horstman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Is my bike fixed??? Well, not a dealer - independant shop. The attitude is far superior and that kinda goes a long way with me. I don't consider the wrench inept, just overwhelmed by a job to big for me to take on. It's like a new bike - bound to have a few gremlins :-) Bill Dale Horstman wrote: > Bill Huson wrote about getting his Harley out of the shop: > > > Seems the nut on the end of the crank came loose (never torqued?) > > > my turn signals aren't working > > > dead battery. > > > seems the plug was never reattached during assembly. > > > upper motor stabilzer was never properly tightened? > > Damn Bill, it sounds like that Harley dealer is sending > his mechanics to Jap Bike school! I thought only us > rice-riders had to deal with inept wrench spinners. > > Dealers suck! Period! > > Wishing you Loctite dreams and Goodwrench level service. > > Horkster > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > Feeling blue because the Cap 1000 is history? Then go here! > The Mason Dixon 20-20 website: http://MD-20-20.tripod.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 2 22:27:03 2000 X-Real-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 22:21:10 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: RMccre5861@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Is my bike fixed??? Hey, that's what shake-down cruise are for! Or in the case of a Harley, shake-loose cruises. Considering the magnitude of this fix, they did okay. Bill RMccre5861@XXXXXX wrote: > Bill do you pay them to screw your bike up? I do not think i would like to go > very far after they have been working on it. I think you need a new shop???? > > RMC From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 3 12:10:43 2000 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 12:14:25 -0400 From: Nelson Fernandez Organization: Production Technology, Inc. X-Accept-Language: en To: Bill Huson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Is my bike fixed??? Bill I'd say it might be time to find a new shop to work on the Hawg. Sorry to hear about the bike. Hopefully it will be "fixed right" this time. Good luck my friend Nelson Bill Huson wrote: > Chapter seventy `leven in the broken Harley tale, which began months ago > while I was on my way to the dc-cycles circle event. > > My bike is *fixed* last Friday, but alas, 40 miles down the road it be From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 3 14:38:36 2000 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 14:38:25 EDT Subject: Re: Is my bike fixed??? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/2/00 21:36:34 Eastern Daylight Time, horkster@XXXXXX writes: > Damn Bill, it sounds like that Harley dealer is sending > his mechanics to Jap Bike school! I thought only us > rice-riders had to deal with inept wrench spinners. > > Dealers suck! Period! I was chatting with the GM of Cycle Sport (Herndon) this morning after dropping off my brake rotors (to be attached to my new wheel). He was lamenting the availability of service techs - seems like the traditional workforce pool is wrenching PCs, making more money and going home with clean fingernails. He said that traditionally they lose money on a mechanic the first year, break even the second and start making money on him the third (practice, practice). The problem is, by this time the young mech gets married, needs more ca$h and leaves the cycle business for cars or some such. Coupled with a seasonal business (not much action in the winter) he's VERY concerned about the future of service in the business. How's that for a warm fuzzy?? Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 3 15:12:57 2000 X-Real-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 15:07:03 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: MJordan666@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Is my bike fixed??? In a previous life I wuz a GM at a marina and the same deal there. Boat riggers were usually HS kids so I had to sort out the natural talent from the klutzs real quick. Boat mechs did have schools available but most started without training and if they stuck around they got sent to factory schools, and then.... 50/50 chance they'd boogie. One can make a decent living turning wrenchs on boats or bike if they live in East BugSplat, but here??? Our local cost of living puts a wrench on the low-low side. One reason I turn my bike over to a shop - I can make more money doing *my* job than it will cost me to pay a mech to do his job. Bill always warm and fuzzy :-) MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > I was chatting with the GM of Cycle Sport (Herndon) this morning after > dropping off my brake rotors (to be attached to my new wheel). > > He was lamenting the availability of service techs - seems like the > traditional workforce pool is wrenching PCs, making more money and going home > with clean fingernails. He said that traditionally they lose money on a > mechanic the first year, break even the second and start making money on him > the third (practice, practice). > > The problem is, by this time the young mech gets married, needs more ca$h and > leaves the cycle business for cars or some such. Coupled with a seasonal > business (not much action in the winter) he's VERY concerned about the future > of service in the business. > > How's that for a warm fuzzy?? > > Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 3 15:16:32 2000 X-Real-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 15:10:17 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: Nelson Fernandez CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Is my bike fixed??? Well, it runs! Loose sidecover bolts were the latest surprise - lost one, Patriot H-D had one in stock All better. Picked up a couple oil line seals too - one leaks a tad. A Harley with an oil leak? Ohmigod, can't have that! Bill Nelson Fernandez wrote: > Bill > > I'd say it might be time to find a new shop to work on the Hawg. Sorry to > hear about the bike. Hopefully it will be "fixed right" this time. > > Good luck my friend > Nelson > > Bill Huson wrote: > > > Chapter seventy `leven in the broken Harley tale, which began months ago > > while I was on my way to the dc-cycles circle event. > > > > My bike is *fixed* last Friday, but alas, 40 miles down the road it be From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 3 23:00:36 2000 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Techs.. Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 20:00:51 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Well, for all the hardship and people wanting more money, and wrenching on bikes because that's all they can get (which is true for the most part).. there ARE people like me out here too... The guy's who could be working on the netowrking systems for some multi-billion dollar company and pulling in a small bank for salary (like most of you reading this e-mail) - but choose to do what they LOVE (and happen to be somewhat accomplished doing). Granted, I'm single - don't mind living off pasta (ooohhhHHhhh.. Sam's Club has HUGE bags of pasta for like $3 - 2~3 should tide me over for a month.. *grin*). Actually, just like anything in life, if you're good at what you do, money can be made. Hrmm.. what's the saying 'Do what you love and you shall be wealthy'.. ?? Sorry you STILL don't have the bike as it was before the initial incident. Hopefully it's just little things now, and you can ride it anytime you choose..... Brian McCoy - still with a 98.6% cumlitive GPA here at MMI, and not 1 minute missed. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 3 23:33:51 2000 X-Real-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 23:27:58 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: Brian McCoy CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Techs.. Yes, I can go with doing what you like for a living. Sometimes the general situation forces one away from doing what they like - me for example. I loved teaching, even loved teaching those hormonal jr hi kids, bless thier frisky, confused souls, but then there were *administrators* (See Spineless Twits in your dictionary) and *Guidance counselors* (See Clueless Dorks in same doictionary). Four years of watching those A-holes screw over *my* kids and I was whipped. Oh yeah, I looked into MMI, but alas, married, tihe usual bills, kids still sucking off the daddy money tree, so I had to pass. Sad part is my need$ are low enough that I could actully live on a tech-mech paycheck, and oh yeah, have fun doing it. Bill Brian McCoy wrote: > Well, for all the hardship and people wanting more money, and wrenching on > bikes because that's all they can get (which is true for the most part).. > there ARE people like me out here too... The guy's who could be working on > the netowrking systems for some multi-billion dollar company and pulling in > a small bank for salary (like most of you reading this e-mail) - but choose > to do what they LOVE (and happen to be somewhat accomplished doing). > > Granted, I'm single - don't mind living off pasta (ooohhhHHhhh.. Sam's Club > has HUGE bags of pasta for like $3 - 2~3 should tide me over for a month.. > *grin*). Actually, just like anything in life, if you're good at what you > do, money can be made. Hrmm.. what's the saying 'Do what you love and you > shall be wealthy'.. ?? > > Sorry you STILL don't have the bike as it was before the initial incident. > Hopefully it's just little things now, and you can ride it anytime you > choose..... > > Brian McCoy - still with a 98.6% cumlitive GPA here at MMI, and not 1 minute > missed. From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 4 07:37:38 2000 Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 07:37:35 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Subject: Bike Show - Today - Hooter's - Manassas To: DC Cycles Reply-to: jmoran@XXXXXX X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Mostly Harleys, but a few sport bikes and my SV650 racer as well. My sponsors, Whitt's Suzuki, will have a display. In the parking lot of Hooter's in Manassas, VA. Come on down and see some cool bikes! Randy Moran WERA #696 http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ Sponsored by: Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.cortidesign.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 4 11:45:42 2000 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 08:45:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Is my bike fixed yet?? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Bill, Hope all your worries are fixed and you can start to trust your bike again. although you are a more patient understanding man than I. I understand that it was a big job, but hey, if i am paying them the big bucks for them to do it, I would expect it to be right the first time. *I* am perfectly capable of bungling a job on my own, and I'm a heck of a lot cheaper :) With what you have posted so far, I would seriously be concerned at this point wondering what else they may not have torqued down properly... all in all, sounds like a very frustrating situation. *Most* folks that I know who use the said shop have had nothing but praise to speak of them. however, over the past two years I have started hearing a few complaints along the lines of your bike... stuff not done quite right.. but usually not serious failiures like yours. My only direct experience with them was mounting and balancing a set of tires. Unfortunatley, front came back about as out of balance as it could possibly be, to the point of unsafe to ride. Ended up static balancing it myself... Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 4 12:15:49 2000 X-Real-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 12:09:50 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Is my bike fixed yet?? Well the way I figure, there's comedies and tragedies. A tragedy is when someone gets maimed or killed, all else in life is a comedy. Sometime this summer or fall, I'll be sitting around campfire with a sweating beer in hand, and laughing over the Saga of the Harley. Bill Collin T. Fagan wrote: > Bill, > > Hope all your worries are fixed and you can start to trust your bike > again. although you are a more patient understanding man than I. I > understand that it was a big job, but hey, if i am paying them the big > bucks for them to do it, I would expect it to be right the first time. > *I* am perfectly capable of bungling a job on my own, and I'm a heck of > a lot cheaper :) > With what you have posted so far, I would seriously be concerned at > this point wondering what else they may not have torqued down > properly... all in all, sounds like a very frustrating situation. > > *Most* folks that I know who use the said shop have had nothing but > praise to speak of them. however, over the past two years I have > started hearing a few complaints along the lines of your bike... stuff > not done quite right.. but usually not serious failiures like yours. > > My only direct experience with them was mounting and balancing a set of > tires. Unfortunatley, front came back about as out of balance as it > could possibly be, to the point of unsafe to ride. Ended up static > balancing it myself... > > Collin > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! > http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 4 14:39:10 2000 From: "Greg" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: 87 EX 500 Clutch Cable Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 16:37:54 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hi all, does anyone on this list have an extra clutch cable to sale? It is needed for an 87 EX 500. Thanks ..... Greg From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 4 14:39:17 2000 From: "Greg" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: 87 EX 500 Clutch Cable Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 16:30:05 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hi all, does anyone on this list have an extra clutch cable to sale? It is needed for an 87 EX 500. Thanks ..... Greg From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 4 22:58:22 2000 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 22:57:59 -0400 From: zbig@XXXXXX To: Chuck Pena Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride for Bike Night 2 * Chuck Pena (cvkgpena@XXXXXX) [000524 13:50]: > Zbig, > > Thanks for doing this. Once you have a plan put together, please just > post to the list and announce it as an "official" Bike Night 2 event. > > Chuck OK, kiddos - here it goes. Bike Night 2 Ride. Meeting: Burger King, on Rt 7, between Cascades and Countryside. Total ride: 250 miles, approx 7 hours. We will go directly to Carpool. pace: slow, sedating, easy. If you want to hurry - go ahead, road is open. protective gear - recommended, as usually. Cheaper than skin grafts. Detailed directions to Burger Kind, ride route description, maps (PDF), maps (Street Atlas 6.0 format) - available at: http://www.apk.net/zbig/bn2 I will have a limited supply of ride sheets and maps with me; if you can, download/print the ones posted on the web. bring with you your digital camera, GPS, geek toys... and enjoy the ride. _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 00' Blade C43 AMG - Silver Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 4 22:59:24 2000 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 22:59:00 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: FOX5 Indian report Anyone watch the FOX5 report on the rebirth of the Indian motorcycle company? Nice looking bikes. Not a single shot in the 5 minute spot showed a rider with a helmet on. Cruising around the street - even the reporter was lidless. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 5 08:52:10 2000 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 08:51:59 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Accept-Language: en To: DC-Cycles Subject: Plug for Atlantic Friday, on the way home I got caught in hideous traffic. about 15 minutes from home, I started to feel the (handle)bars shake. I stopped & noticed what I thought was a missing weight, so I pressed on. I called Atlantic Cycle in White Plains, explained my plight & they agreed to lend me a hand Saturday AM. Years ago, I wasn't exactly satisfied at some work they did for me, but for the purposes of this message, I think they deserve a good write up, they stuck with me until they found the problem - steering head bearings. They were as busy as a shop would be at this time of year, but got me in anyway (the bike is my only ride for a few more days ). None of the people there were present years ago when I had problems, so they at least deserve a fair shake. Ride safe. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 5 09:30:15 2000 X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 09:21:25 -0400 To: From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Techs.. At 08:00 PM 6/3/00 -0700, Brian McCoy wrote: >Well, for all the hardship and people wanting more money, and wrenching on >bikes because that's all they can get (which is true for the most part).. >there ARE people like me out here too... -snip- Well, Brian, let me give you another perspective. I had the "dream job" working in the service dept at a honda dealer when I was in college. It was great. I spent all day working on customer's bikes, then went home & worked on my own stuff. About 12hrs a day nothing but spinning wrenches. One day, when we were all planning to go to the motorcycle show in NYC, somebody asked the owner of the shop if he wanted to go. He said "What the hell would I want to do that for, I spent 6 days a week around motorcycles..." (He started out as a tech & used to race in the sixties & finally bought opened a dealership in the 70's, this all happened in the late '80's) Anyway, I was sort of surprised, the thought never crossed my mind that someone wouldn't want to go. I worked there for four years, and towards the end of that time I could see that if I made a career out of it, bikes would loose there appeal to me due to saturation. I realized I just never got away from the things. Sure I would have been happy for 5-10 years, but eventually it would become "a job." I didn't want bikes to become this to me. I want them to stay a hobby that I do for enjoyment. I enjoy racing, and that gets out of my system all of my desire to work on bikes. I decided then to look for "professional" work that kept me from actually spinning the wrenches, but still involved in technical things, which is directly how I ended up where I am today. I guess the moral of the story, be careful what you ask for, it might just happen... S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 5 09:59:38 2000 From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: 98 SuperHawk For Sale Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 09:51:06 -0400 No, I'm not selling my bike. This is an ad I found on the Superhawk mailing list. This sounds like a great value. Respond to the guy selling the bike, not me. (Obviously) Chris Weaver '98 VTR From: "Dennis Woods" Subject: 98 SuperHawk For Sale Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 17:42:41 -0400 Hi everyone. After 2 months of owning both the VTR and 929, I've decided that there's just too much overlap to keep them both. So I'm putting the VTR up on the auction block :-(. The bike is located in Reston, VA which is near Washington DC. Red 98 VTR1000F with 9k miles RaceTech .90 kg/mm springs Fox Twin Clicker Rear shock with ride height adjuster Yoshimura Carbon Fiber slip on exhausts (once owned by the infamous Scott Winders I might add) Givi monorack luggage rack and E460 locking hard bag Helibars tinted windscreen (Lockhart I think) Carbon Fiber rear Hugger Tail Locker rear trunk and fender eliminator Sigma BC800 cycle computer New Michelin Macadam 80x/90x tires Snazzy Euro "Firestorm" stickers instead of the more pedestrian "Superhawk" All stock parts also included Oldtimers might recognize this as former lister Jim Plutnicki's former bike which it is. It has lead a garaged and generally pampered existence although I did scratch the front fender and left side of the tailsection in an unfortunate mishap involving a front end stand. Remember people, drinking and wrenching can be dangerous! Other than that it is in very good condition. I would consider breaking out the Fox shock ($350), Helibars ($125), pipes ($350) and Givi rack ($150) depending on circumstance. I would really rather not uninstall the shock but a few hundred bucks will motivate even my lazy self. $6500 for the whole shooting match. $5900 with all the goodies removed. Reply off list Thanks, Dennis From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 5 11:25:09 2000 From: ursulina viteri X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:24:15 -0400 Subject: Motorcyclist chase through downtown Fredericksburg TO: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --openmail-part-169369ae-00000001 Content-Disposition: inline Hello everyone, I saw an article in the Friday, June 2 Fredericksburg, Va. Free-Lance Star that detailed a motorcycle chase through parts of Stafford County and Fredericksburg around 2:30 pm on Thursday. Cops on the Blue & Gray parkway knew the rider was coming, but were unable to stop him. The rider was bold enough as to turn around in the median on Route 3 West and began popping repeated wheelies, according to police. The best line in the article was "He was getting everything out of that bike and more" as it detailed the biker was radared at 90 mph but lead a chase that went over 100 mph near the Interstate 95 exit and 60 mph in as he weaved through traffic and ran red lights. Wild! The rider was not caught as the cops lost sight of him after 30 minute of chase. Anyone see this happen? - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD (not even close to 100 mph) --openmail-part-169369ae-00000001-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 5 11:48:05 2000 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 11:46:55 -0400 From: "Robert Beatty" To: Subject: Re: Motorcyclist chase through downtown Fredericksburg Content-Disposition: inline X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e55Fm7k20272 Nothing here but, it sound like someone has total control of their riding abilities. >>> ursulina viteri 06/05/00 11:24AM >>> Hello everyone, I saw an article in the Friday, June 2 Fredericksburg, Va. Free-Lance Star that detailed a motorcycle chase through parts of Stafford County and Fredericksburg around 2:30 pm on Thursday. Cops on the Blue & Gray parkway knew the rider was coming, but were unable to stop him. The rider was bold enough as to turn around in the median on Route 3 West and began popping repeated wheelies, according to police. The best line in the article was "He was getting everything out of that bike and more" as it detailed the biker was radared at 90 mph but lead a chase that went over 100 mph near the Interstate 95 exit and 60 mph in as he weaved through traffic and ran red lights. Wild! The rider was not caught as the cops lost sight of him after 30 minute of chase. Anyone see this happen? - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD (not even close to 100 mph) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 5 11:49:04 2000 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 08:48:53 -0700 (PDT) From: martin lee Subject: Need good roads To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I live in Alexandria, VA. I am looking for good roads in the VA/DC/MD area (short 3-4 hour trips). Also, how do I get to Skyline Dr. and the Blue Ridge Pwy? Thanks for your recommendations. Marty __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 5 12:02:27 2000 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 12:02:10 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Accept-Language: en To: ursulina viteri CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcyclist chase through downtown Fredericksburg ursulina viteri wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I saw an article in the Friday, June 2 Fredericksburg, Va. > Free-Lance Star that detailed a motorcycle chase through parts of > Stafford County and Fredericksburg around 2:30 pm on Thursday. Cool! I made the papers! :) > Cops on the Blue & Gray parkway knew the rider was coming, but were > unable to stop him. Heh, heh, take that! I ain't stopping for no fuzz! The expressions on those doughnut-boys' faces was priceless. > The rider was bold enough as to turn around in the median on > Route 3 West and began popping repeated wheelies, according to police. I was trying to just hold one wheelie, but the front end dropped momentarily when I upshifted to 4th. Gotta work on my technique, I guess... I'm kind of bummed, they paper left out the part where I flipped up the face of my Nolan helmet and gave the cops chasing me a "bronx cheer". > The best line in the article was "He was getting everything out of > that bike and more" as it detailed the biker was radared at 90 mph but > lead a chase that went over 100 mph near the Interstate 95 exit and 60 > mph in Nah, the Connie will do 130, easy. Never got close to top speed yesterday. > as he weaved through traffic and ran red lights. Wild! Gotta try to rub out the one scuff in the saddlebag. I clipped the mirror on a dam**d ovloV that didn't move out of my way fast enough. > The rider was not caught as the cops lost sight of him after 30 > minute of chase. Heh, heh. 6th gear is so cool! > Anyone see this happen? Well, the images in the mirrors were kind of fuzzy, since the bike does buzz a bit at *ahem* highway speeds. :) I guess you could say I saw parts of it. ;) :) :) Horkster PS: Note the smileys, folks. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth Join the Mason Dixon 2020, an Group Saddlesore 1000 Challenge! - June 9-11. http://MD-20-20.tripod.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 5 12:56:34 2000 From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'ursulina viteri'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Motorcyclist chase through downtown Fredericksburg Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:48:03 -0400 You don't do your bike justice. It'll go 100 (only just barely). Don't ask me how I know. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 '86 LTD 454 (sold) > -----Original Message----- > From: ursulina viteri [SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] > - - Ursulina > 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD (not even close to 100 mph) > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 5 12:58:16 2000 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 12:58:03 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Motorcyclist chase through downtown Fredericksburg At 11:24 AM 6/5/00 , ursulina viteri wrote: > Anyone see this happen? See it? I was in a hurry - they tried to slow me down. ;-) Zbig - where were you Friday? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 5 13:07:17 2000 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 13:11:17 -0400 From: "Paul F. Johnston" To: Subject: Good DC Honda Dealer? Content-Disposition: inline X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e55H7Jk21676 HI ALL: I'm looking for the best local Honda dealer for service; I live in Bethesda. Any suggestions? TIA, PAUL From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 5 13:27:48 2000 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 10:27:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcyclist chase through downtown Fredericksburg To: ursulina viteri , dc-cycles@XXXXXX This is quite amusing, I thought for sure I would see at the end of this article of "how they caught the bad guy". Like those America's Scarcest Police Chases where the host claims that "you can never get away from the police". Glenn --- ursulina viteri wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I saw an article in the Friday, June 2 > Fredericksburg, Va. > Free-Lance Star that detailed a motorcycle chase > through parts of > Stafford County and Fredericksburg around 2:30 pm on > Thursday. Cops on > the Blue & Gray parkway knew the rider was coming, > but were unable to > stop him. The rider was bold enough as to turn > around in the median on > Route 3 West and began popping repeated wheelies, > according to police. > > The best line in the article was "He was > getting everything out of > that bike and more" as it detailed the biker was > radared at 90 mph but > lead a chase that went over 100 mph near the > Interstate 95 exit and 60 > mph in as he weaved through traffic and ran red > lights. Wild! > > The rider was not caught as the cops lost > sight of him after 30 > minute of chase. > > Anyone see this happen? > > - - Ursulina > 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD (not even close to 100 mph) > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 5 13:58:58 2000 X-Originating-IP: [199.217.89.183] From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Motorcyclist chase through downtown Fredericksburg Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 13:58:34 EDT And you told me when I bought it was only driven to church on sundays. ;-) Razz 99 ZX9r 86 LTD454 that Chris speed tested for me 83 LTD 440 slightly bent up >You don't do your bike justice. It'll go 100 (only just barely). Don't ask >me how I know. > >Chris Weaver >'98 VTR 1000 >'86 LTD 454 (sold) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ursulina viteri [SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] > > - - Ursulina > > 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD (not even close to 100 mph) > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 5 14:06:56 2000 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:06:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Motorbikin da song is da bomb I've just ripped one of my favorite motorcycle songs to mp3. Motorbikin by Martha and the Muffins. If you would like a copy send me an email or better yet if someone has some web space to post it that would be easier. Maratha and the Muffins kick ass and a few of their songs reference bikes so go out and buy their stuff if you can find it. Any know if there's a repository of motorbike songs on the net? "Movind down the Queen's highway looking like a streak of lightning" ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 5 14:09:37 2000 From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Kmart Sells Motorcycles!? Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:01:07 -0400 http://store.bluelight.com/sports-motorcycles---scooters.html Chris Weaver '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 5 15:11:33 2000 Reply-To: "Dave Cross" From: "Dave Cross" To: Subject: Re: Kmart Sells Motorcycles!? Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 15:12:28 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 >From the looks of that exhaust pipe it would seem that your leg would get mighty toasty. dave cross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" To: Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 2:01 PM Subject: Kmart Sells Motorcycles!? > http://store.bluelight.com/sports-motorcycles---scooters.html > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 5 16:19:40 2000 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:19:25 EDT Subject: Re: Kmart Sells Motorcycles!? To: cweaver@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ROTFLMAO. Attention K-Mart shopper's. Blue Light Special in aisle three. That is SOOOO hilarious. Scooter In a message dated Mon, 5 Jun 2000 2:10:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Weaver, Chris_(MD)" writes: << http://store.bluelight.com/sports-motorcycles---scooters.html Chris Weaver '98 VTR >> From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 5 17:56:47 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:56:13 EDT Subject: Re: A Question for the racers... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX What?? No flame war on trail braking?? The answer is: Freddy Spencer says yes. Keith Code says no. Your milage may vary :) My personal opinion is that physics also say no, and it's a real bad idea. If you hit the brake, weight goes forward and the bike wants to stand up (and run wide). It also loads the front tire. That tire is already having lateral forces applied to it so you can turn. You're now asking that contact patch to do more work... it may not be able to. If you are an experienced racer, and know the limits of the front tire and how much you're currently pushing it, trail braking does have it's uses, and many racers do it with good results. The last time I tried a trail braking maneuver, I lost the front and hit the pavement at around 70mph. Lesson learned: Brake while upright, gas while leaned over :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 5 20:44:08 2000 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:44:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: Motorcyclist chase through downtown Fredericksburg To: Razz Man , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sounds like Chris was in a hurry to get to church. :-) --- Razz Man wrote: > And you told me when I bought it was only driven to > church on sundays. ;-) > > Razz > 99 ZX9r > 86 LTD454 that Chris speed tested for me > 83 LTD 440 slightly bent up > > > > >You don't do your bike justice. It'll go 100 (only > just barely). Don't ask > >me how I know. > > > >Chris Weaver > >'98 VTR 1000 > >'86 LTD 454 (sold) > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: ursulina viteri > [SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] > > > - - Ursulina > > > 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD (not even close to 100 > mph) > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 5 21:16:49 2000 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 21:16:05 EDT Subject: Re: Need good roads To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > I live in Alexandria, VA. I am looking for good roads > in the VA/DC/MD area (short 3-4 hour trips). Well Marty, you're in luck! You're just minutes away from some of the best riding in the country (how many minutes varies with traffic and your personal estimation of what constitutes "Reasonable and Proper") I can't speak for the eastern Maryland side (haven't been there) but the Virginia/West Virginia/western Maryland roads are great. Generally speaking, you have to leave civilization before you hit the largely untravelled roads that abound in this area - draw a north-south line through Leesburg, and just about everything west of the line is good. > Also, how do I get to Skyline Dr. and the Blue Ridge Pwy? Skyline starts at Front Royal, with the BRP starting about 320 road miles south of Front Royal - it's a long day at 35mph. An option is to take Skyline from Front Royal to Rt 211 at Thornton's Gap (about 110 miles of 35mph) or vice versa. 211 is worth the trip by itself, if you like fast sweepers. Alan Wheat leads a number of group rides, unfortunately, I don't remember his web page URL. As Horace Greely said, "Go west, young man" Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 5 22:08:15 2000 X-Sender: tech3047@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 22:05:54 -0400 To: martin lee , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "wes 8-)#" Subject: Re: Need good roads Marty -- Here's one of my favorite day-trip type rides: Back roads from my house in Springfield down to the Prince William Parkway, then go towards Woodbridge. Right on Hoadly Road, then on to Rt. 234, where I turn left. There's a 7-11 with a gas station at that intersection. Right onto Rt. 619 and blast! Left onto Rt. 28 for about 50-60 yards, then right onto Rt. 255 (I think -- it is definitely the first right turn). Blast! but watch out for several hairpin turns and blind decreasing-radius turns that go both up- and downhill. Right on US29. Left onto Rt. 55 and cruise slowly through Haymarket. Once out of Haymarket Blast! until you get to The Plains. Turn right at the BP station. Enjoy this road at a fast yet sane pace until you get to Middleburg. At US50, go West towards Winchester. Once in Winchester, get gas and food. (on the outskirts of Winchester there's a Harley dealer; you can also get on I81 and go North to exit 321 and visit the Winchester Indian Motorcycle Co., where they sell Triumphs, Ducatis, and Moto Guzzis). Follow US50 through Winchester until you see signs for Rt. 7 East. Take Rt. 7 East out of Winchester, go for a while. Turn right onto the Snickersville Turnpike and once you get past the 5 mph (that's five) hairpin turn (they're not kidding) have fun in cow & horse country. Snickersville dead-ends into US50, so when you get there turn left (East) and go home however you would go home. Sometimes I'll turn right on US15 at Gilbert's Corner and take that back to US29, other times I'll just stay on US50. Whew. And take a good map, just in case. --wes At 11:48 05-06-00, martin lee wrote: >I live in Alexandria, VA. I am looking for good roads >in the VA/DC/MD area (short 3-4 hour trips). From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 5 22:27:42 2000 From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: Re: Need good roads Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 22:27:33 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I don't think I'd call 211 "sweepers". There are some downright sharp ass turns on that road. I love it, and wish I lived closer to it. Ah well...it's an occasional "treat" now... Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 9:16 PM Subject: Re: Need good roads > > I live in Alexandria, VA. I am looking for good roads > > in the VA/DC/MD area (short 3-4 hour trips). > > Well Marty, you're in luck! You're just minutes away from some of the best > riding in the country (how many minutes varies with traffic and your personal > estimation of what constitutes "Reasonable and Proper") > > I can't speak for the eastern Maryland side (haven't been there) but the > Virginia/West Virginia/western Maryland roads are great. Generally speaking, > you have to leave civilization before you hit the largely untravelled roads > that abound in this area - draw a north-south line through Leesburg, and just > about everything west of the line is good. > > > > Also, how do I get to Skyline Dr. and the Blue Ridge Pwy? > > > Skyline starts at Front Royal, with the BRP starting about 320 road miles > south of Front Royal - it's a long day at 35mph. > > An option is to take Skyline from Front Royal to Rt 211 at Thornton's Gap > (about 110 miles of 35mph) or vice versa. 211 is worth the trip by itself, if > you like fast sweepers. > > Alan Wheat leads a number of group rides, unfortunately, I don't remember his > web page URL. > > As Horace Greely said, "Go west, young man" > > Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 5 22:42:22 2000 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 22:42:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Need good roads Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative On Mon, 5 Jun 2000, Kirt S. wrote: > I don't think I'd call 211 "sweepers". There are some downright sharp > ass turns on that road. I love it, and wish I lived closer to it. Where are the tight turns on 211? I don't recall seeing any. 33 has tighter ones and 250 has tighter still (but the pavement usually isn't that great). WV17 (if my memory serves me on the route #) has ignorantly tight turns. VA42? Tight. 56? Tight. Etc. These are all day trippable roads. Sure, if you want to only do a short run (under 200 miles) you might think 211 is tight. For a good day trip (400+ miles) you can hit some much better stuff. If you want a longer trip with tight turns take the BRP south and try out the intersecting roads. Just about any of them will dispel the notion that 211 has anything tight on it (I'm partial to NC myself (215, 276, etc)). Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 5 22:50:09 2000 From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: Re: Need good roads Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 22:50:03 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I stand corrected than... I will have to go investigate them thar roads. :-) 211 has some turns that I was leaned over mighty far on though. Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Roy" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 10:42 PM Subject: Re: Need good roads > On Mon, 5 Jun 2000, Kirt S. wrote: > > I don't think I'd call 211 "sweepers". There are some downright sharp > > ass turns on that road. I love it, and wish I lived closer to it. > > Where are the tight turns on 211? I don't recall seeing any. 33 has > tighter ones and 250 has tighter still (but the pavement usually isn't > that great). WV17 (if my memory serves me on the route #) has ignorantly > tight turns. VA42? Tight. 56? Tight. Etc. These are all day trippable > roads. Sure, if you want to only do a short run (under 200 miles) you > might think 211 is tight. For a good day trip (400+ miles) you can hit > some much better stuff. If you want a longer trip with tight turns take > the BRP south and try out the intersecting roads. Just about any of > them will dispel the notion that 211 has anything tight on it (I'm partial > to NC myself (215, 276, etc)). > > Kirk > 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) > 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) > DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: > http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 5 23:01:15 2000 From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: Re: Need good roads Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:01:09 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Kirk, are you just grinding your footpeg feelers off in the "kirkcircles.jpg" pics on your site? How fast are you going in those pics? Like 5 mph? Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Roy" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 10:42 PM Subject: Re: Need good roads > On Mon, 5 Jun 2000, Kirt S. wrote: > > I don't think I'd call 211 "sweepers". There are some downright sharp > > ass turns on that road. I love it, and wish I lived closer to it. > > Where are the tight turns on 211? I don't recall seeing any. 33 has > tighter ones and 250 has tighter still (but the pavement usually isn't > that great). WV17 (if my memory serves me on the route #) has ignorantly > tight turns. VA42? Tight. 56? Tight. Etc. These are all day trippable > roads. Sure, if you want to only do a short run (under 200 miles) you > might think 211 is tight. For a good day trip (400+ miles) you can hit > some much better stuff. If you want a longer trip with tight turns take > the BRP south and try out the intersecting roads. Just about any of > them will dispel the notion that 211 has anything tight on it (I'm partial > to NC myself (215, 276, etc)). > > Kirk > 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) > 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) > DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: > http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 5 23:10:41 2000 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:10:20 -0400 From: zbig@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Need good roads > From: "Kirk Roy" > To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 10:42 PM > Subject: Re: Need good roads > > > > Where are the tight turns on 211? I don't recall seeing any. 33 has > > tighter ones and 250 has tighter still (but the pavement usually isn't > > that great). WV17 (if my memory serves me on the route #) has ignorantly 33 has a nice even pavement, occassionally coverd with gravel - but we need something for an adrenaline rush. At least surface was great all the way to the top - last 3 turns on second ridge has some gravel. Downhill from second ridge is marvellous. bewarned, after last few weeks locals are getting antsy seeing bikes on 33. > > them will dispel the notion that 211 has anything tight on it (I'm partial > > to NC myself (215, 276, etc)). Kirk, you forgot to add that you learned this roads on a bicycle. After such experience, 211 is really wide open :-). > > > > Kirk _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 00' Blade C43 AMG - Silver Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 5 23:17:52 2000 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:17:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Need good roads Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative On Mon, 5 Jun 2000, Kirt S. wrote: > Kirk, are you just grinding your footpeg feelers off in the > "kirkcircles.jpg" pics on your site? Er, I didn't expect someone to be going through my files... :) Footpeg feelers? Nothing's touching down in those pics (well, maybe my toe). Note Collin's jealous look in the background. You can almost hear him mumbling, "I will destroy that bike!" :) > How fast are you going in those pics? Like 5 mph? I have no idea how fast. Surely more than 5 mph. Those are Leon's circles from a couple years ago (before Todd's party - I've got a pic of Todd going through the circles somewhere around here too). Any speed guesses Leon? I can only say that it wasn't fast enough... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 5 23:21:54 2000 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:21:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Need good roads Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative On Mon, 5 Jun 2000 zbig@XXXXXX wrote: > Kirk, you forgot to add that you learned this roads on a bicycle. > After such experience, 211 is really wide open :-). Now I need an engine just to get to the top. :) I do miss the thrill of blitzing the downhills passing cars... Shoot, I might be able to accelerate downhill faster now that I've got the windcheating aerogut(tm). :) Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 6 07:32:15 2000 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 04:32:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Need good roads To: MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Uhh, Skyline Drive is only a little over 100 miles long where it ends at Rockfish Gap in Afton, VA. From there the BRP picks up and goes another 350 miles or so. And Thorntons Gap is only about 40 miles south of Front Royal. You might want to get the odometer check out! ;-) Glenn --- MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Skyline starts at Front Royal, with the BRP starting > about 320 road miles > south of Front Royal - it's a long day at 35mph. > > An option is to take Skyline from Front Royal to Rt > 211 at Thornton's Gap > (about 110 miles of 35mph) or vice versa. 211 is > worth the trip by itself, if > you like fast sweepers. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 6 07:38:59 2000 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 04:38:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Need good roads To: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List Kirk, don't forget VA 16, VA 311, NC 28 and of course US 129. Glenn --- Kirk Roy wrote: > On Mon, 5 Jun 2000, Kirt S. wrote: > > I don't think I'd call 211 "sweepers". There are > some downright sharp > > ass turns on that road. I love it, and wish I > lived closer to it. > > Where are the tight turns on 211? I don't recall > seeing any. 33 has > tighter ones and 250 has tighter still (but the > pavement usually isn't > that great). WV17 (if my memory serves me on the > route #) has ignorantly > tight turns. VA42? Tight. 56? Tight. Etc. These are > all day trippable > roads. Sure, if you want to only do a short run > (under 200 miles) you > might think 211 is tight. For a good day trip (400+ > miles) you can hit > some much better stuff. If you want a longer trip > with tight turns take > the BRP south and try out the intersecting roads. > Just about any of > them will dispel the notion that 211 has anything > tight on it (I'm partial > to NC myself (215, 276, etc)). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 6 07:46:37 2000 From: "Bob Meyer" To: Subject: RE: Kmart Sells Motorcycles!? Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 07:47:26 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Gawd, it looks like something right out of 1969! I especially like that 4 speed transmission. In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. > -----Original Message----- > From: Weaver, Chris_(MD) [mailto:CWeaver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 2:01 PM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Kmart Sells Motorcycles!? > > > http://store.bluelight.com/sports-motorcycles---scooters.html > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 6 09:38:26 2000 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 06:38:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: More motorcylce songs Perry Coleman has been kind enough to put up the mp3s that I have on his website. You should download them to your computer then play them. They're about 3megs each. Motorbikin by Martha and the Muffins (New Wave) http://www.coleman-services.net/concours/motorbikin.mp3 War of the Superbikes by the Meatmen (DC Hardcore/Punk) http://www.coleman-services.net/concours/war.mp3 New Sensations by Lou Reed (Lou Reed) http://www.coleman-services.net/concours/new%20sensations.mp3 Does anyone have a copy of "Eye of the Hurricane" by David Wilcox they could add to this? "Tank is full, switch is on Night is warm, cops are gone Rocket bike is all her own It's called a hurricane"... ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 6 10:10:02 2000 From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Hugh Caldwell'" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: More motorcylce songs Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:03:34 -0400 Cool! Meatmen Rock! The 'ultimate' motorcycle song is 1952 Vincent Black Lightning by Richard Thompson. Here are the lyrics: Said Red Molly to James that's a fine motorbike, A girl could feel special on any such like Said James to Red Molly, well my hat's off to you It's a Vincent Black Lightning, 1952 And I've seen you at the corners and cafes it seems Red hair and black leather, my favourite colour scheme And he pulled her on behind and down to Boxhill they did ride Said James to Red Molly, here's a ring for your right hand But I'll tell you in earnest I'm a dangerous man I've fought with the law since I was seventeen I robbed many a man to get my Vincent machine Now I'm 21 years, I might make 22 And I don't mind dying, but for the love of you And If fate should break my stride I'll give you my Vincent to ride Come down, come down, Red Molly, called Sergeant McRae For they've taken young James adie for armed robbery Shotgun blast hit his chest, left nothing inside Come down, Red Molly to his dying bedside When she came to the hospital, there wasn't much left He was running out of road, he was running out of breath But he smiled to see her cry Said I'll give you my Vincent to ride Said young James. in my opinion, there's nothing in this world Beats a 52 Vincent and a red headed girl Now Nortons and Indians and Greeves won't do They don't have a soul like a Vincent 52 He reached for her hand and he gave her the keys He said I don't have any further use for these I see angels and ariels in leather and chrome Swooping down from heaven to carry me home He gave her one last kiss and died And he gave her his Vincent to ride. > -----Original Message----- > From: Hugh Caldwell [SMTP:twg@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 9:38 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: More motorcylce songs > > Perry Coleman has been kind enough to put up the mp3s that > I have on his website. You should download them to your > computer then play them. They're about 3megs each. > Motorbikin by Martha and the Muffins (New Wave) > http://www.coleman-services.net/concours/motorbikin.mp3 > War of the Superbikes by the Meatmen (DC Hardcore/Punk) > http://www.coleman-services.net/concours/war.mp3 > New Sensations by Lou Reed (Lou Reed) > http://www.coleman-services.net/concours/new%20sensations.mp3 > > Does anyone have a copy of "Eye of the Hurricane" by > David Wilcox they could add to this? > "Tank is full, switch is on > Night is warm, cops are gone > Rocket bike is all her own > It's called a hurricane"... > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 6 10:18:04 2000 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 07:17:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Low speed circles, was: Need good roads To: "Kirt S." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Kirt S." wrote: > Kirk, are you just grinding your footpeg feelers off > in the > "kirkcircles.jpg" pics on your site? > > How fast are you going in those pics? Like 5 mph? > I guess about 11-12 mph. The circles have a 22 ft diameter (18 inside 26 outside), but there are a few extra feet getting to the next circle, 6 laps is the standard for time. Collin holds the current record at 26+ secs. That works out to a little under 12 mph. Leon. --- "Kirt S." wrote: > Kirk, are you just grinding your footpeg feelers off > in the > "kirkcircles.jpg" pics on your site? > > How fast are you going in those pics? Like 5 mph? > > Kirt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kirk Roy" > To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" > > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 10:42 PM > Subject: Re: Need good roads > > > > On Mon, 5 Jun 2000, Kirt S. wrote: > > > I don't think I'd call 211 "sweepers". There > are some downright sharp > > > ass turns on that road. I love it, and wish I > lived closer to it. > > > > Where are the tight turns on 211? I don't recall > seeing any. 33 has > > tighter ones and 250 has tighter still (but the > pavement usually isn't > > that great). WV17 (if my memory serves me on the > route #) has ignorantly > > tight turns. VA42? Tight. 56? Tight. Etc. These > are all day trippable > > roads. Sure, if you want to only do a short run > (under 200 miles) you > > might think 211 is tight. For a good day trip > (400+ miles) you can hit > > some much better stuff. If you want a longer trip > with tight turns take > > the BRP south and try out the intersecting roads. > Just about any of > > them will dispel the notion that 211 has anything > tight on it (I'm partial > > to NC myself (215, 276, etc)). > > > > Kirk > > 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 > (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) > > 1998 Honda VTR1000 > (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) > > DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: > > http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 6 10:29:13 2000 Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 10:29:31 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Accept-Language: en To: Mark Kitchell CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: More motorcycle songs I second that vote. That is the coolest bike song ever. And the guitar playing is phenomenal. Randy Moran WERA Novice #696 http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ Sponsored by: Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.cortidesign.com Mark Kitchell wrote > > The 'ultimate' motorcycle song is 1952 Vincent Black Lightning by Richard > Thompson. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 6 10:44:18 2000 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:43:56 EDT Subject: Re: Need good roads To: dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX I stand corrected on Skyline - somehow I got Street Atlas sidetracked last night. Paying attention to what I'm doing, Skyline drive comes out at 105 miles top to bottom Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 6 10:52:35 2000 Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 10:52:50 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Accept-Language: en To: DC Cycles Subject: WERA Races - Summit Point - June 10,11 Just a reminder to everyone that many of your fellow listers will compete this coming weekend in the WERA events at Summit Point. Brian Roach, Danny Thompson, Randy Moran, Sean Jordan (?), Fred (?), and several others will all be on hand to hone their skills in the quest for road racing glory. Racing takes place on both Saturday and Sunday. If you come up, look for bikes 699 and 696 in the pit. I'll have a cold beer waiting for you. There is plenty of free camping space available. As always, it promises to be a great time. Randy Moran WERA Novice #696 http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ Sponsored by: Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.cortidesign.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 6 11:13:18 2000 From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:12:55 EDT Subject: Re: WERA Races - Summit Point - June 10,11 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'll be there this weekend. I plan on doing the Heavyweight Novice Solo 18 on Saturday, Vintage 6, B Production Novice and B Superbike Novice on Sunday. Anyone know if Jonathon Broga will be out there? -Sean Jordan Sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 6 11:41:21 2000 Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 11:45:58 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Accept-Language: en To: DC Cycles , Suzuki Bikes , parr@XXXXXX Subject: Bike Night 2 reminder Just a reminder to y'all that this Sunday, June 11th is Bike Night 2 at CarPool in Arlington, VA. Everyone is invited. Hope you'll be there. All the info is on the website at http://www.geocities.com/bikenight And Zbig Tyrlik is organizing a pre-event ride (contact him directly at zbig@XXXXXX). Please feel free to cross-post this to other motorcycle lists. Thanx! Chuck Pena, aka Skittles '93 GSXR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 6 11:50:27 2000 From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: More motorcycle songs Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:48:18 -0400 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e56Fock13406 I went looking for an MP3 version of Alro Guthrie's The Motorcycle Song (The Significance of The Pickle), but couldn't find it. Anyone got it? Instead I found this list, which may or may not be from Finland, at http://www.intellitel.com/~jsavola/lista.mp.html. Bests, Erik Allman Brothers: Midnight Rider Alwari Tuohitorvi: Kromikaunotar Arlo Guthrie: The Motorcycle Song (The Significance of a pickle) Backsliders: 50% kaikista kappaleista... Beach Boys: Little Honda ? Blue Öyster Cult: Transmaniacon MC Bob Seger: Against the Wind Bob Seger: The Distance Brigitte Bardot: Harley Davidson CCR: Sweet Hitchiker Cake: Going the distance Canned Heat: Harley Davidson Blues Canned Heat: On the Road Again Charlie Daniels Band: Uneasy Rider Chris Rea: Road To Hell Chris Rea: You Can Go Your Own Way Chris Spedding: Motorbikin´ Chrissie Hynde & Pretenders: Biker Crazy Cavan & Rhythm Rockers: My little sister's gotta motorbike Daddy Longlegs: Motorcycle Dave Lindholm: Ooh Bultaco David Allan Coe: Panheads Forever David Stewart: Motorcycle Mystics Deep Purple: Highwaystar Deep Purple: Speed King Doc Holliday: Last Ride Eppu Normaali: Mopolla tahtiin Freeman: Mopetilla maailmalle Freud Marx Engels & Jung: Mun vanha pannupää Gary Glitter: I´m the Leader of the Gang Hector: Laura ja Ilmari Hurriganes: Ridin´ Ridin´ Iggy Pop: Motorcycle Hanoi Rocks: M.C Baby Iron Maiden: From here to eternity J.J.Cale: Ridin´ Home Jimi Hendrix: Ezy Ryder Jouni Tuokkola: Pyörällä päästään Judas Priest: Turbo Lover Juice Leskinen: Napoleonin mopo Karma: Viimeinen Mutka Klamydia: Mopolla suohon Kris Kristofferson: Rainbow Road Leevi and the Leavings: Tulikuumat pakoputket Liisa Akimof: Miten kauas mopolla pääsee? Lou Reed: Good Sensations Manowar: Wheels Of Fire Meat Loaf: Bat Out of Hell Megadeth: 502 Megadeth: High Speed Dirt Merle Haggard: White Line Fever Metallica: Fuel Michael Parks: Long and Lonesome Highway Mika Sundqvist: Moottoripyörä on moottoripyörä Mitch Ryder: Jenny Take a Ride Moby Grape: Motorcycle Irene Montrose: Bad Motor Scooter Moottorilinnut: Moottorilinnut Motorhead: Iron Horse Muska: Kulman Kingi Ne Luumäet: Texasin moottoripyöräkerho Neil Young: Motorcycle Mama Paul McCartney: Biker Like an Icon Phantom's Opera: Motorcycle Rock Popeda: Pitkä kuuma kesä Queen: Ride the Wild Wind Rehupiikles: Iisiraideri Ricky Valance: Tell Laura I Love Her Roger McQuinn: Ballad of Easy Rider Saxon: Motorcycle Man Saxon: Wheels of Steel Seminaarinmäen Mieslaulajat: Mopedimies Shangri-La´s: Leader of the pack Sleepy Sleepers: Kesämopo Sleepy Sleepers: IC:llä karjalaan Sleepy Sleepers: Saaran Jaava Sleepy Sleepers: Surmanajaja Erkki Vasili Helminen Steppenwolf: Born to be Wild Steppenwolf: Ride With Me Steve Gibbons Band: Riding on a BSA The Beach Boys: My Little Honda The Run Runs: Hey Hey I Love That Sauna Todd Rundgren: Last Ride Twisted Sister: Ride to Live, Live to Ride V2: Mean Machine V2: Ride On Veltto Virtanen: Harley Davidson From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 6 12:09:48 2000 From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Major Beltway Crash Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:07:38 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 >From noon news Tuesday -- For those thinking of travelling this pm. 11a Beltway accident -- 3 tractor trailers, 5 vehicles. The inner loop is closed, outer loop restricted at 210/beltway east of Wilson Bridge. Backups said to be in miles both directions, cleanup going to take quite a while. Hope this saves a headache or five. . Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 6 13:40:41 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 13:40:24 EDT Subject: Re: WERA Races - Summit Point - June 10,11 To: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX 1200 miles of driving the race hauler: $200 (fuel) New slicks: $300 Entry fees: $145 8 gallons of race fuel: $80 Getting run off the track during the first lap in turn 3 at 115mph, rejoining the field in dead last, then racing back up to finish third: Priceless Indy was a long weekend, and damn near involved high-siding a bike at 100mph. Other than that... it was a blast. Two third place finishes running expert times against the locals. Looking forward to Summit - anyone who can make it should go, the weather is supposed to be great. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 6 13:55:08 2000 From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Hugh Caldwell'" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: More motorcylce songs Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 13:48:12 -0400 Does anyone have the lyrics for War of the Superbikes. Can't turn it up at work... > -----Original Message----- > From: Hugh Caldwell [SMTP:twg@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 9:38 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: More motorcylce songs > > Perry Coleman has been kind enough to put up the mp3s that > I have on his website. You should download them to your > computer then play them. They're about 3megs each. > Motorbikin by Martha and the Muffins (New Wave) > http://www.coleman-services.net/concours/motorbikin.mp3 > War of the Superbikes by the Meatmen (DC Hardcore/Punk) > http://www.coleman-services.net/concours/war.mp3 > New Sensations by Lou Reed (Lou Reed) > http://www.coleman-services.net/concours/new%20sensations.mp3 > > Does anyone have a copy of "Eye of the Hurricane" by > David Wilcox they could add to this? > "Tank is full, switch is on > Night is warm, cops are gone > Rocket bike is all her own > It's called a hurricane"... > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 6 14:14:44 2000 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:14:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: Mark Kitchell cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: More motorcylce songs On Tue, 6 Jun 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > Does anyone have the lyrics for War of the Superbikes. Can't turn it up at > work... > http://themeatmen.com/lyrics.html ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 6 15:41:41 2000 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:41:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Need good roads To: "Kirt S." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX 211 is ALL high-speed sweepers with 2 decreasing-radius turns in the mix just to keep you on guard --- "Kirt S." wrote: > I don't think I'd call 211 "sweepers". There are > some downright sharp ass > turns on that road. I love it, and wish I lived > closer to it. > > Ah well...it's an occasional "treat" now... > > Kirt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > An option is to take Skyline from Front Royal to > Rt 211 at Thornton's Gap > > (about 110 miles of 35mph) or vice versa. 211 is > worth the trip by itself, > if > > you like fast sweepers. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 6 15:44:44 2000 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:44:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Need good roads To: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List Take it easy on the boy, Kirk....he obviously needs to get out more and see what the area has to offer. Speaking of which....where the F have your been of late? Damn DIRTY Bastard deserted his pavement friends --- Kirk Roy wrote: > On Mon, 5 Jun 2000, Kirt S. wrote: > > I don't think I'd call 211 "sweepers". There are > some downright sharp > > ass turns on that road. I love it, and wish I > lived closer to it. > > Where are the tight turns on 211? I don't recall > seeing any. 33 has > tighter ones and 250 has tighter still (but the > pavement usually isn't > that great). WV17 (if my memory serves me on the > route #) has ignorantly > tight turns. VA42? Tight. 56? Tight. Etc. These are > all day trippable > roads. Sure, if you want to only do a short run > (under 200 miles) you > might think 211 is tight. For a good day trip (400+ > miles) you can hit > some much better stuff. If you want a longer trip > with tight turns take > the BRP south and try out the intersecting roads. > Just about any of > them will dispel the notion that 211 has anything > tight on it (I'm partial > to NC myself (215, 276, etc)). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 6 15:54:02 2000 X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 15:47:31 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: WERA Races - Summit Point - June 10,11 I should be there on sunday only. Look for 911 in the pits, grey & white TL-R. S At 10:52 AM 6/6/00 -0400, Randy Moran wrote: >Just a reminder to everyone that many of your fellow listers will >compete this coming weekend in the WERA events at Summit Point. Brian >Roach, Danny Thompson, Randy Moran, Sean Jordan (?), Fred (?), and >several others will all be on hand to hone their skills in the quest for >road racing glory. > >Racing takes place on both Saturday and Sunday. If you come up, look for >bikes 699 and 696 in the pit. I'll have a cold beer waiting for you. >There is plenty of free camping space available. As always, it promises >to be a great time. > >Randy Moran >WERA Novice #696 >http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ > >Sponsored by: >Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA >http://www.speed-werks.com >http://www.cortidesign.com > > > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 6 16:48:15 2000 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:48:07 -0400 From: zbig@XXXXXX To: Chuck Pena Cc: DC Cycles , Suzuki Bikes , parr@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 reminder * Chuck Pena (cvkgpena@XXXXXX) [000606 11:55]: > Just a reminder to y'all that this Sunday, June 11th is Bike Night 2 at > CarPool in Arlington, VA. Everyone is invited. Hope you'll be there. > All the info is on the website at > > http://www.geocities.com/bikenight > > And Zbig Tyrlik is organizing a pre-event ride (contact him directly at > zbig@XXXXXX). I will be travelling for the rest of the week. Meeting is at Burger King on Rt 7 between Countryside and Cascades, close to Rt 28 & 7, Sunday 11th, at 9:30. Ride departs at 10:00 sharp. You are welcome to join us on the road. Directions, maps, ride sheet: http://www.apk.net/zbig/bn2 > > Please feel free to cross-post this to other motorcycle lists. Thanx! > > Chuck Pena, aka Skittles > '93 GSXR 750 _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 00' Blade C43 AMG - Silver Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 6 17:01:30 2000 Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 16:58:36 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Accept-Language: en To: Chuck Pena CC: DC Cycles , Suzuki Bikes , parr@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 reminder Chuck Pena wrote: > > Just a reminder to y'all that this Sunday, June 11th is Bike Night 2 at > CarPool in Arlington, VA. Everyone is invited. Hope you'll be there. > All the info is on the website at > > http://www.geocities.com/bikenight > > And Zbig Tyrlik is organizing a pre-event ride (contact him directly at > zbig@XXXXXX). Also just a reminder that the Mason Dixon 20-20 Group Saddlesore (1000 miles/ 24 hours) world record attempt is going on that weekend, and qualifies as a nice little pre-event ride, too. :) It's not too late to sign up! http://MD-20-20.tripod.com I just might show up at Bike Night after this little 6 state tour... Anyone else? :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth Join the Mason Dixon 2020, an Group Saddlesore 1000 Challenge! - June 9-11. http://MD-20-20.tripod.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 6 17:28:13 2000 From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Dale Horstman'" , Chuck Pena Cc: DC Cycles , Suzuki Bikes , parr@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Night 2 reminder Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:21:51 -0400 Hork: If you show up, your first beer is on me! Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 7:59 PM > To: Chuck Pena > Cc: DC Cycles; Suzuki Bikes; parr@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 reminder > > Chuck Pena wrote: > > > > Just a reminder to y'all that this Sunday, June 11th is Bike Night 2 at > > CarPool in Arlington, VA. Everyone is invited. Hope you'll be there. > > All the info is on the website at > > > > http://www.geocities.com/bikenight > > > > And Zbig Tyrlik is organizing a pre-event ride (contact him directly at > > zbig@XXXXXX). > > Also just a reminder that the Mason Dixon 20-20 Group Saddlesore (1000 > miles/ > 24 hours) world record attempt is going on that weekend, and qualifies as > a nice little pre-event ride, too. :) > > It's not too late to sign up! http://MD-20-20.tripod.com > > I just might show up at Bike Night after this little 6 state tour... > Anyone else? :) > > Horkster > > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > Join the Mason Dixon 2020, an Group Saddlesore 1000 Challenge! - June > 9-11. http://MD-20-20.tripod.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 6 17:34:00 2000 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:33:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 reminder To: DC Cycles > Also just a reminder that the Mason Dixon 20-20 Group Saddlesore (1000 > miles/ 24 hours) world record attempt is going on that weekend, and qualifies > as a nice little pre-event ride, too. :) > > It's not too late to sign up! http://MD-20-20.tripod.com > > I just might show up at Bike Night after this little 6 state tour... > Anyone else? :) Me too. After the short 94 mile PARR run last weekend, I need a run that'll really stretch my legs! :-) Then stop for a coke and some BS afterwards at CarPool, makes for a great weekend. Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 6 17:44:16 2000 From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Louis F. Caplan'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Bike Night 2 reminder Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:37:58 -0400 Make that one beer and a coke! Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Louis F. Caplan [SMTP:nighthawk700@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 5:34 PM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 reminder > > > Also just a reminder that the Mason Dixon 20-20 Group Saddlesore (1000 > > miles/ 24 hours) world record attempt is going on that weekend, and > qualifies > > as a nice little pre-event ride, too. :) > > > > It's not too late to sign up! http://MD-20-20.tripod.com > > > > I just might show up at Bike Night after this little 6 state tour... > > Anyone else? :) > > Me too. After the short 94 mile PARR run last weekend, I need a run > that'll > really stretch my legs! :-) Then stop for a coke and some BS afterwards > at > CarPool, makes for a great weekend. > > Louis > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! > http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 6 19:01:15 2000 X-Sent: 6 Jun 2000 23:00:56 GMT From: "Laura Granato" To: , Subject: Re: More motorcycle songs Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 19:07:09 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I believe I'm going to go check it out since I missed the last one. Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 11:48 AM Subject: RE: More motorcycle songs I went looking for an MP3 version of Alro Guthrie's The Motorcycle Song (The Significance of The Pickle), but couldn't find it. Anyone got it? Instead I found this list, which may or may not be from Finland, at http://www.intellitel.com/~jsavola/lista.mp.html. Bests, Erik Allman Brothers: Midnight Rider Alwari Tuohitorvi: Kromikaunotar Arlo Guthrie: The Motorcycle Song (The Significance of a pickle) Backsliders: 50% kaikista kappaleista... Beach Boys: Little Honda ? Blue Öyster Cult: Transmaniacon MC Bob Seger: Against the Wind Bob Seger: The Distance Brigitte Bardot: Harley Davidson CCR: Sweet Hitchiker Cake: Going the distance Canned Heat: Harley Davidson Blues Canned Heat: On the Road Again Charlie Daniels Band: Uneasy Rider Chris Rea: Road To Hell Chris Rea: You Can Go Your Own Way Chris Spedding: Motorbikin´ Chrissie Hynde & Pretenders: Biker Crazy Cavan & Rhythm Rockers: My little sister's gotta motorbike Daddy Longlegs: Motorcycle Dave Lindholm: Ooh Bultaco David Allan Coe: Panheads Forever David Stewart: Motorcycle Mystics Deep Purple: Highwaystar Deep Purple: Speed King Doc Holliday: Last Ride Eppu Normaali: Mopolla tahtiin Freeman: Mopetilla maailmalle Freud Marx Engels & Jung: Mun vanha pannupää Gary Glitter: I´m the Leader of the Gang Hector: Laura ja Ilmari Hurriganes: Ridin´ Ridin´ Iggy Pop: Motorcycle Hanoi Rocks: M.C Baby Iron Maiden: From here to eternity J.J.Cale: Ridin´ Home Jimi Hendrix: Ezy Ryder Jouni Tuokkola: Pyörällä päästään Judas Priest: Turbo Lover Juice Leskinen: Napoleonin mopo Karma: Viimeinen Mutka Klamydia: Mopolla suohon Kris Kristofferson: Rainbow Road Leevi and the Leavings: Tulikuumat pakoputket Liisa Akimof: Miten kauas mopolla pääsee? Lou Reed: Good Sensations Manowar: Wheels Of Fire Meat Loaf: Bat Out of Hell Megadeth: 502 Megadeth: High Speed Dirt Merle Haggard: White Line Fever Metallica: Fuel Michael Parks: Long and Lonesome Highway Mika Sundqvist: Moottoripyörä on moottoripyörä Mitch Ryder: Jenny Take a Ride Moby Grape: Motorcycle Irene Montrose: Bad Motor Scooter Moottorilinnut: Moottorilinnut Motorhead: Iron Horse Muska: Kulman Kingi Ne Luumäet: Texasin moottoripyöräkerho Neil Young: Motorcycle Mama Paul McCartney: Biker Like an Icon Phantom's Opera: Motorcycle Rock Popeda: Pitkä kuuma kesä Queen: Ride the Wild Wind Rehupiikles: Iisiraideri Ricky Valance: Tell Laura I Love Her Roger McQuinn: Ballad of Easy Rider Saxon: Motorcycle Man Saxon: Wheels of Steel Seminaarinmäen Mieslaulajat: Mopedimies Shangri-La´s: Leader of the pack Sleepy Sleepers: Kesämopo Sleepy Sleepers: IC:llä karjalaan Sleepy Sleepers: Saaran Jaava Sleepy Sleepers: Surmanajaja Erkki Vasili Helminen Steppenwolf: Born to be Wild Steppenwolf: Ride With Me Steve Gibbons Band: Riding on a BSA The Beach Boys: My Little Honda The Run Runs: Hey Hey I Love That Sauna Todd Rundgren: Last Ride Twisted Sister: Ride to Live, Live to Ride V2: Mean Machine V2: Ride On Veltto Virtanen: Harley Davidson From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 6 19:02:43 2000 X-Sent: 6 Jun 2000 23:02:30 GMT From: "Laura Granato" To: "Dale Horstman" , "Chuck Pena" Cc: "DC Cycles" , "Suzuki Bikes" , Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 reminder Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 19:08:42 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Damn! been a long day...I'm checking out bike night. not the motorcycle songs. That's what I get for clcking too fast. lol. Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Horstman To: Chuck Pena Cc: DC Cycles ; Suzuki Bikes ; Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 7:58 PM Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 reminder > Chuck Pena wrote: > > > > Just a reminder to y'all that this Sunday, June 11th is Bike Night 2 at > > CarPool in Arlington, VA. Everyone is invited. Hope you'll be there. > > All the info is on the website at > > > > http://www.geocities.com/bikenight > > > > And Zbig Tyrlik is organizing a pre-event ride (contact him directly at > > zbig@XXXXXX). > > Also just a reminder that the Mason Dixon 20-20 Group Saddlesore (1000 > miles/ > 24 hours) world record attempt is going on that weekend, and qualifies as > a nice little pre-event ride, too. :) > > It's not too late to sign up! http://MD-20-20.tripod.com > > I just might show up at Bike Night after this little 6 state tour... > Anyone else? :) > > Horkster > > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > Join the Mason Dixon 2020, an Group Saddlesore 1000 Challenge! - June > 9-11. http://MD-20-20.tripod.com > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 6 19:55:40 2000 Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 19:55:22 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Accept-Language: en To: Mark Kitchell CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 reminder Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Hork: > > If you show up, your first beer is on me! > > Mark Thanks! But I might have to wuss out and drink a diet coke instead, a beer might totally wipe me out after the MD 20-20. :) See you there! Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) Dale City, VA, USA, Earth Feeling blue because the Cap 1000 is history? Then go here! The Mason Dixon 20-20 website: http://MD-20-20.tripod.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 6 19:59:18 2000 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:59:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: Bike Night 2 reminder To: Mark Kitchell , "'Dale Horstman'" , Chuck Pena Cc: DC Cycles , Suzuki Bikes , parr@XXXXXX Wow, if I do this one, I can do 4 different events in one weekend. MD2020 - http://MD-20-20.tripod.com 250R Ninjacade 2000 - http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=5109&article=24907 IBET - http://www.teamstrange.com/everywhere/index.html and Bike Night - http://www.geocities.com/bikenight all this and free beer too? Ain't life grand. Leon. --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Hork: > > If you show up, your first beer is on me! > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 7:59 PM > > To: Chuck Pena > > Cc: DC Cycles; Suzuki Bikes; > parr@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 reminder > > > > Chuck Pena wrote: > > > > > > Just a reminder to y'all that this Sunday, June > 11th is Bike Night 2 at > > > CarPool in Arlington, VA. Everyone is invited. > Hope you'll be there. > > > All the info is on the website at > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/bikenight > > > > > > And Zbig Tyrlik is organizing a pre-event ride > (contact him directly at > > > zbig@XXXXXX). > > > > Also just a reminder that the Mason Dixon 20-20 > Group Saddlesore (1000 > > miles/ > > 24 hours) world record attempt is going on that > weekend, and qualifies as > > a nice little pre-event ride, too. :) > > > > It's not too late to sign up! > http://MD-20-20.tripod.com > > > > I just might show up at Bike Night after this > little 6 state tour... > > Anyone else? :) > > > > Horkster > > > > > > -- > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > > horkster@XXXXXX > > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > > > Join the Mason Dixon 2020, an Group Saddlesore > 1000 Challenge! - June > > 9-11. http://MD-20-20.tripod.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 6 20:34:10 2000 From: "David VFR Thompson" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Need good roads Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 20:44:01 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Marty, Check out the North American Sportbike Road Registry http://www.execpc.com/~ytk/frames3.htm for rider recommended roads in MD, VA & WV. also I've enclosed the E-mail address of Jim Parks, Rockville Md. jimparks@XXXXXX He's not on the list, but believe me, he knows the backroads of central & western MD., as well as VA., like the palm of his hand. Regards David "RoutemeiSTer" Thompson http://home.rochester.rr.com/backroads/ Rochester NY AMA# 504560 STOC# 840 Current STable 90 Suzuki DR350S 91 Honda ST1100 94 Honda VFR From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 6 21:22:32 2000 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 21:22:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Need good roads Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative On Tue, 6 Jun 2000, Tom Gimer wrote: > Speaking of which....where the F have your been of > late? Damn DIRTY Bastard deserted his pavement > friends Pavement? Isn't that the stuff the connects you to the trails? I've gotten an offer to trade the VTR for an SV so I may at least have another street bike to pique my interest... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 7 09:54:01 2000 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: little diversion Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:54:07 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Stolen from another list: For some revenge, go to: http://www.mcguide.com/rdrage.html :) Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA "Where are we going and what's with this handbasket?" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 7 10:37:11 2000 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 07:37:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 reminder > > Also just a reminder that the Mason Dixon 20-20 Group Saddlesore (1000 > > miles/ 24 hours) world record attempt is going on that weekend, and qualifies > > as a nice little pre-event ride, too. :) > > > > It's not too late to sign up! http://MD-20-20.tripod.com > > > > I just might show up at Bike Night after this little 6 state tour... > > Anyone else? :) > Listers might also be interested in conrner working at the track this weekend. You can go to http://marrc.nova.org/ for more information. It's a great way to see the races for free and get the second best seats at the track as well as free food (mmmm). Betwee ZBigs ride ,the MD20/20, and the racing activities it should be a good weekend of motorcycling. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 7 13:17:11 2000 From: ursulina viteri X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:16:21 -0400 Subject: NON-MOTO: need clip art of map symbol TO: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --openmail-part-16b3d07f-00000001 Content-Disposition: inline Hi everyone, Hate to bother you guys on such a pretty motorcycle riding day, but I was hoping someone could help me find a free clip art (non-animated) map symbol. The kind that has N, S, E, W and arrows pointing in the those directions. If you know where I could find it, please let me know. Thanks! - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD --openmail-part-16b3d07f-00000001-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 7 15:08:10 2000 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 14:55:26 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Accept-Language: en To: DC Cycles Subject: CSS@VIR alumni "crash" ride For those who are interested in meeting 2 of the 4 "crashers" at CSS@VIR (me and Mark Kitchell), I'm organizing a ride Saturday morning. Meet at the Sheetz at 55 and 15 in Haymarket at 9am. For anyone who lives in/near Arlington, I can meet up with you at 8:15am around the corner from the Amoco in Rosslyn (Wilson Blvd.) -- there's a parking lot behind the Amoco -- to hit I-66 out to Haymarket. Haven't decided on an actual route yet, but there are lots of choices for good roads to ride on. We'll probably decide exactly where to go after everyone is together at the Sheetz. The goal is to be done riding (back at the Sheetz, more or less) by around noon. That way, people who need to get home can be home by 1pm or so. Those that can ride longer can still ride. And it leaves time for those who want to go up to Summit to check out the races. This is the first time I'm "leading" a ride, so... - Ride as fast or as slow as you feel comfortable doing, i.e., ride within your limits and capabilites -- it's not a race. - If you want to ride faster than me, that's cool (I know there will be faster/better riders in the group). Just realize that (a) you need to know where you're going, (b) be prepared to wait at intersections, etc., or (c) be prepared to get lost (and no one is going to go looking for you). - If we have "slow" riders in the group, I will make a point of waiting for them at any places where what direction to go might be a question. - Although I ride a sportbike (and most of the people I've personally invited to ride also ride sportbikes), it's not a criteria for joining the group. - Ride safe and sane, i.e., I don't care if you do something stupid that jeopardizes only yourself (well, actually I do care but...), but don't do anything that's going to cause harm, injury, near death, or otherwise a bad day for anyone else. - No tickets ... p-l-e-a-s-e! - No crashing ... despite who's leading the ride! %^) For anyone coming out who I haven't met before, it'll be pretty easy to figure out who I am. I'll be the guy in the scuffed up AGV leathers riding the scuffed up '93 GSXR 750! %^) Cheers, Chuck, aka Skittles From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 7 18:08:40 2000 From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: Re: CSS@VIR alumni "crash" ride Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:08:34 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I would like to come out and ride, although I'm not going to be pushing it to hard. Just like the last ride with Collin, I'm going to have to do plenty of engine braking cuz my rotors on the front aren't in the best shape right now. I'm in Annandale, and if I can go, I'll ride out with you. Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Pena" To: "DC Cycles" Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 5:55 PM Subject: CSS@VIR alumni "crash" ride > For those who are interested in meeting 2 of the 4 "crashers" at CSS@VIR > (me and Mark Kitchell), I'm organizing a ride Saturday morning. Meet at > the Sheetz at 55 and 15 in Haymarket at 9am. For anyone who lives > in/near Arlington, I can meet up with you at 8:15am around the corner > from the Amoco in Rosslyn (Wilson Blvd.) -- there's a parking lot behind > the Amoco -- to hit I-66 out to Haymarket. Haven't decided on an actual > route yet, but there are lots of choices for good roads to ride on. > We'll probably decide exactly where to go after everyone is together at > the Sheetz. The goal is to be done riding (back at the Sheetz, more or > less) by around noon. That way, people who need to get home can be home > by 1pm or so. Those that can ride longer can still ride. And it leaves > time for those who want to go up to Summit to check out the races. > > This is the first time I'm "leading" a ride, so... > > - Ride as fast or as slow as you feel comfortable doing, i.e., ride > within your limits and capabilites -- it's not a race. > - If you want to ride faster than me, that's cool (I know there will be > faster/better riders in the group). Just realize that (a) you need to > know where you're going, (b) be prepared to wait at intersections, etc., > or (c) be prepared to get lost (and no one is going to go looking for > you). > - If we have "slow" riders in the group, I will make a point of waiting > for them at any places where what direction to go might be a question. > - Although I ride a sportbike (and most of the people I've personally > invited to ride also ride sportbikes), it's not a criteria for joining > the group. > - Ride safe and sane, i.e., I don't care if you do something stupid that > jeopardizes only yourself (well, actually I do care but...), but don't > do anything that's going to cause harm, injury, near death, or otherwise > a bad day for anyone else. > - No tickets ... p-l-e-a-s-e! > - No crashing ... despite who's leading the ride! %^) > > For anyone coming out who I haven't met before, it'll be pretty easy to > figure out who I am. I'll be the guy in the scuffed up AGV leathers > riding the scuffed up '93 GSXR 750! %^) > > Cheers, > Chuck, aka Skittles From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 7 18:35:53 2000 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:35:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Street riding/brakes was Re: CSS@VIR alumni "crash" ride Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative > I would like to come out and ride, although I'm not going > to be pushing it to hard. Just like the last ride with > Collin, I'm going to have to do plenty of engine braking > cuz my rotors on the front aren't in the best shape > right now. I'm in Annandale, and if I can go, I'll ride > out with you. What're these "brake" things I keep hearing about? For most road riding situations brakes can be thought of as a security measure but aren't needed for most corners. Take the time now to learn to ride the bike, setting corner entry speed early, and developing a good rhythm. It's this rhythmic riding that, I think, makes street riding fun. The throttle will get you through corners a lot more smoothly than the brakes will. Why strive to become one of the goobers that runs it fast up to the corner, brakes hard, turns in too early, fears the throttle while leaned, and ends up going slower than the smooth rider? I see too many riders who think all this activity on the bike is an indication of their speed. They'll brag up the "need" to remove their peg feelers or raise the rear end but they're touching parts because of poor lines, bad machine control (off the throttle letting the rear sag), etc. Take this opportunity while your brakes are bad to establish some good habits like setting your corner speed early; getting on the throttle early and continuously rolling on through the corner; keeping your elbows high and your inside foot near the front axle (oops, scratch the last one, that's for dirt bikes... :) ), etc. Disclaimer (I must be getting old, I now feel the need to add a disclaimer...): I've never ridden with Kirt and these statements are generalizations based simply on his age and experience level. He may not embody any of the characteristics I've described, what do I know? I still think it's good advice and a good time for him to learn not to rely on those brakes for sane, fun, street riding. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 7 19:13:49 2000 From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: Re: Street riding/brakes was Re: CSS@VIR alumni "crash" ride Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:13:42 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Believe me, these crappy brakes have been exactly that...a learning experience. They've been teaching me how to use engine braking and get set for the corner early. I've never been one of the haul-ass-to-corner-entry-brake-till-you-see-god kind of riders anyways. I try to be as smooth as possible, and I don't need to prove anything by riding super hard on the street. I've gotten my peg feelers down a couple times, and while it's "neat" it's not something I use as bragging rights. It just got me really excited the first time I did it. :-) I may be young, and aside from the occasional little wheelie, speed burst, or something, I ride as safe as possible on the street. I don't wanna die yet, and I can't afford tickets. How many youngish 23 year olds do you know that wear a two piece aerostich all the damn time? Especially riding an F4? Heh heh...that'd be me. I get *weird* looks from most riders my age. They're all running around wearing shorts and t-shirts, painting their helmets, polishing their frames and rims, and giving older riders the idea that the younger generation is nothing but a bunch of squids. I try not to be like that, and so what if I look like the black power ranger??? Oh, and by the way, the only time I've really had to worry about my brakes are those turns on roads I don't know...where turn A is a blind turn followed by the *much sharper* turn B that I couldn't see and set up for. Only happened a few times. And Kirk, and anyone else for that matter, keep the constructive criticism coming. I'm always open to advice, and I aspire to be a smooth rider and to keep making friends in the group of DC riders. NONE of my "established" friends ride, so I have to rely on the friends I've made through both the CBR list and the DC-Cycles list. I'd prefer to not shoo away those friends by riding like an ass. :-) Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Roy" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 6:35 PM Subject: Street riding/brakes was Re: CSS@VIR alumni "crash" ride > > I would like to come out and ride, although I'm not going > > to be pushing it to hard. Just like the last ride with > > Collin, I'm going to have to do plenty of engine braking > > cuz my rotors on the front aren't in the best shape > > right now. I'm in Annandale, and if I can go, I'll ride > > out with you. > > What're these "brake" things I keep hearing about? For most road riding > situations brakes can be thought of as a security measure but aren't > needed for most corners. Take the time now to learn to ride the bike, > setting corner entry speed early, and developing a good rhythm. It's this > rhythmic riding that, I think, makes street riding fun. The throttle will > get you through corners a lot more smoothly than the brakes will. > > Why strive to become one of the goobers that runs it fast up to the > corner, brakes hard, turns in too early, fears the throttle while > leaned, and ends up going slower than the smooth rider? I see too > many riders who think all this activity on the bike is an indication of > their speed. They'll brag up the "need" to remove their peg feelers or > raise the rear end but they're touching parts because of poor lines, bad > machine control (off the throttle letting the rear sag), etc. > > Take this opportunity while your brakes are bad to establish some good > habits like setting your corner speed early; getting on the throttle > early and continuously rolling on through the corner; keeping your elbows > high and your inside foot near the front axle (oops, scratch the last one, > that's for dirt bikes... :) ), etc. > > Disclaimer (I must be getting old, I now feel the need to add a > disclaimer...): I've never ridden with Kirt and these statements are > generalizations based simply on his age and experience level. He may not > embody any of the characteristics I've described, what do I know? I still > think it's good advice and a good time for him to learn not to rely on > those brakes for sane, fun, street riding. > > Kirk > 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) > 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) > DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: > http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 7 19:23:22 2000 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:23:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: re: need good roads To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Kirt, 211 through Thornton's gap is not even close to tight... it's by all means sweepers... If you want tight, drop over to staunton and head west on 33. when it meets 250 a ways into West VA, turn back east on 250.. now that road is tight... 211 is fairly easy to maintain triple or near triple digit speeds all the way up on each side... faster on the next set of hills past Lurray...errr... or so I am told ;-) I would never exceed the speed limit or ride at excessive speeds ;-) Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 7 19:31:38 2000 From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: Re: need good roads Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:31:25 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 You are a faster rider than I. :-) I bow to you. I'm not sure how fast I've gone either way on 211, but I'm pretty sure I wasn't close to triple digits even on my best run through it. I feel so inadequate...need to practice more. :-) Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Collin T. Fagan" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 7:23 PM Subject: re: need good roads > Kirt, > 211 through Thornton's gap is not even close to tight... it's by all > means sweepers... > If you want tight, drop over to staunton and head west on 33. when it > meets 250 a ways into West VA, turn back east on 250.. now that road is > tight... > > 211 is fairly easy to maintain triple or near triple digit speeds all > the way up on each side... faster on the next set of hills past > Lurray...errr... or so I am told ;-) I would never exceed the speed > limit or ride at excessive speeds ;-) > > Collin > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! > http://photos.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 7 20:08:11 2000 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:36:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Riding advice To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Well said Kirk. As I am sure a few of you noticed on the last ride I led, I rarely use the brakes other than for extremely tight corners (or the little hard charge we made over 601). As a ride leader though, since I know all of the roads we were riding on, I tend to tap the front brake lever 3 or 4 times enough to make the light come on without braking. That way those behind me know they need to assess their entry speed. Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 7 20:25:47 2000 X-Originating-IP: [216.164.225.159] From: "DAN KENNEY" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Isle of Man TT Report Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 17:25:38 PDT I just got back to the states from the Isle of Man. All I can still say is "awesome". Bikes everywhere mostly sportbikes , all different kinds. I had to have seen at least 15 MV Augustas as least as many Bimotas. Alot of really trick streetfighters( Harris framed, Spondon framed). The racing is unbelievable, 37 mile course on the streets. They reach speeds upto 200 mph. Joey Dunlop won the GP race (he is 48 yrs old and this is his 24th win on the Isle). Sunday is called "Mad Sunday" they close the roads on the course so all the traffic is going one way and everyone rides the course. 150 mph and the police dont mind as long as you don't do anything stupid. I am thinking about arranging a group trip for 2001. The price depends on how many go. E-mail if interested. Dan Kenney Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 7 20:32:53 2000 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: brakes? Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:32:36 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Hrmm.. Collin, you remember that VF500 (LORDY, who DOESN'T remember that contraption!)... there were NO rear brakes, and I could hardly slow down from 60 with the front lever pulled to the bar... If I tried to brake late into a corner then bank that thing in - it's wobble and try to buck me right off (managed to do just that once or twice). Now, not using brakes may be part of what I think the experienced riders are attempting to say, but the overall goal is smoothness. Knowing what gear to be in because you've the experience and ability to judge a corner (even if A is blind and B is a decreasing radius thats 15mph slower than A), you should still have the ability to ride the bike through - if you're relying on the brakes to help, well - suddenly you're riding MUCH closer to your limit with less leway for 'objects' (Hrmm.. big bale of Hay in the middle of the road.. Collin?!?) Noone was really behind me on the Memorial day ride (who would want to be.. that Hog was LOUD.. even with earplugs in) - but I'm the same as Collin - you won't see brake lights. You'll hear the engine RPM jump as I downshift a gear or two, then bank it into *SCRAAAAPE*.. er, well - that shouldn't happen till the APEX.. :P Point being (if I can get to it) is that if your bike isn't fully up to par, back off some to compensate. Practice on being slow going into the corners (no engine braking needed) and accelerating through - you'll find more speed and personal comfort/ability that way. Practice shifting smoothly so that you can shift 99% of the time without bucking the bike even a little bit.. when on the straights, run the bike down to first (or second) and back to 6th with only a change in RPMs. Force yourself to always look through the corner and learn how to pick lines.. then learn how to alter the line you picked because there's a squirrel who thinks it's frogger and is attempting to cross the road. OR, just go out and putt.. look at the trees, and the houses. Watch the person infront of you and see what they're doing. Play around with your seating position on the bike - climb up the back of the tank a little, slide to the rear of the seat - get comfortable. It's not always about keeping up with the person infront of you. Anyway... I'm gonna get back to reading about EMF's an the smoke in the wires that allows our bikes to run lights and stuff... test tomorrow and I'm rusty on things. Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 7 20:34:27 2000 From: Boiade@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:34:12 EDT Subject: Re: A Question for the racers... To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX I don't recommend using the rear brake in corners (or anywhere really) unless you are very talented when you are racing or riding quickly. But a nicely set-up bike can be controlled with the front brake in corners if you anticipate and control the bike's tendency to stand-up. Some bikes stand-up more than others and I unconciously counter steer to control the tendency of the bike to stand up. Learning to use the front brake in corners was one of the first major revelations that improved my lap times many years ago. Of course, the drum brakes we used would rarely be powerful enough to cause one to lose the front-end, so it allowed one to learn to use the front brake in corners without great danger. Today's more powerful brakes make learning without crashing much more difficult. By the way, who will be going to Summit Friday night. I am thinking of going Friday night rather than Saturday morning. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 7 20:36:46 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:36:30 EDT Subject: Re: A Question for the racers... To: Boiade@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/7/00 8:34:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Boia de writes: > By the way, who will be going to Summit Friday night. I am thinking of > going Friday night rather than Saturday morning. I'll be up Fri night, but maybe a little late as I'm coming from SpeedWerks in DE. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 7 20:44:28 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:44:13 EDT Subject: Re: Street riding/brakes was Re: CSS@VIR alumni "crash" ride To: ksenser@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/7/00 7:17:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ksenser@XXXXXX writes: > How many youngish 23 year olds do you know that wear a two > piece aerostich all the damn time? Especially riding an F4? Evidentally two.... are you and Brad Fass related somehow? Although... I think he wears a one-piece instead. :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 7 20:45:29 2000 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:45:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Street riding/brakes Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Kirt S. wrote: > And Kirk, and anyone else for that matter, keep the constructive > criticism coming. Ok, here's more advice: get a dirtbike. You'll learn all kinds of useful stuff. According to more than one report I've read (including the Hurt study, I believe) dirt experience leads to riders less likely to crash on the street... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 7 20:46:57 2000 From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:46:21 EDT Subject: Re: need good roads To: gixer_racer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/7/00 7:25:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gixer_racer@XXXXXX writes: > I would never exceed the speed > limit or ride at excessive speeds ;-) Right - me either. The Speedo on the Ducati is in kph, right? - Bri From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 7 22:12:07 2000 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 22:13:52 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Accept-Language: en To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: gixer_racer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: need good roads I know you speak the truth. Your ticket(s) on Memorial Day weekend weren't for speeding! %^) BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 6/7/00 7:25:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > gixer_racer@XXXXXX writes: > > > I would never exceed the speed > > limit or ride at excessive speeds ;-) > > Right - me either. > > The Speedo on the Ducati is in kph, right? > > - Bri -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 8 08:10:06 2000 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 8:12 -0400 From: "Rob Bell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "VFR-digest@XXXXXX" Subject: MSF ERC Can anyone tell me if they check your license/registration/paperwork at these classes? I'm at slightly less than full compliance at the moment and would like to know if i need to get it done ASAP. keep the shiny side up Rob -96 vfr From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 8 08:21:57 2000 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 08:15:51 -0400 From: Bill Huson To: Rob Bell CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "VFR-digest@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: MSF ERC I'm not positive, never having taught an ERC class, but you're using your own bike and I'll bet the instructor will make damn sure you had a permit and your bike was registered, tagged, inspected, and insured. Bill Rob Bell wrote: > Can anyone tell me if they check your license/registration/paperwork at these > classes? I'm at slightly less than full compliance at the moment and would like > to know if i need to get it done ASAP. > > keep the shiny side up > Rob -96 vfr From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 8 08:27:50 2000 X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 08:28:12 -0400 To: "DAN KENNEY" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Isle of Man TT Report Wow, can anyone say DREAM TRIP!!??? - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.girlbiker.com At 05:25 PM 6/7/00 -0700, DAN KENNEY wrote: >I just got back to the states from the Isle of Man. All I can still say is >"awesome". Bikes everywhere mostly sportbikes , all different kinds. I had >to have seen at least 15 MV Augustas as least as many Bimotas. Alot of >really trick streetfighters( Harris framed, Spondon framed). The racing is >unbelievable, 37 mile course on the streets. They reach speeds upto 200 mph. >Joey Dunlop won the GP race (he is 48 yrs old and this is his 24th win on >the Isle). Sunday is called "Mad Sunday" they close the roads on the course >so all the traffic is going one way and everyone rides the course. 150 mph >and the police dont mind as long as you don't do anything stupid. I am >thinking about arranging a group trip for 2001. The price depends on how >many go. E-mail if interested. > > > >Dan Kenney >Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 8 09:15:12 2000 From: Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 09:09:11 -0400 Subject: Re: MSF ERC To: Bill Huson Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Yes, and I believe they also check the tread on the tires. --chris Bill Huson on 06/08/2000 08:15:51 AM To: Rob Bell cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" "VFR-digest@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: MSF ERC I'm not positive, never having taught an ERC class, but you're using your own bike and I'll bet the instructor will make damn sure you had a permit and your bike was registered, tagged, inspected, and insured. Bill Rob Bell wrote: > Can anyone tell me if they check your license/registration/paperwork at these > classes? I'm at slightly less than full compliance at the moment and would like > to know if i need to get it done ASAP. > > keep the shiny side up > Rob -96 vfr ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 8 10:01:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e58E1Kk28210 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:01:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:01:19 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062C1A@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DAN KENNEY'" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Isle of Man TT Report Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:55:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain YES I AM INTERESTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > -----Original Message----- > From: DAN KENNEY [SMTP:dankenney@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 8:26 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Isle of Man TT Report > > I just got back to the states from the Isle of Man. All I can still say is > > "awesome". Bikes everywhere mostly sportbikes , all different kinds. I had > > to have seen at least 15 MV Augustas as least as many Bimotas. Alot of > really trick streetfighters( Harris framed, Spondon framed). The racing is > > unbelievable, 37 mile course on the streets. They reach speeds upto 200 > mph. > Joey Dunlop won the GP race (he is 48 yrs old and this is his 24th win on > the Isle). Sunday is called "Mad Sunday" they close the roads on the > course > so all the traffic is going one way and everyone rides the course. 150 mph > > and the police dont mind as long as you don't do anything stupid. I am > thinking about arranging a group trip for 2001. The price depends on how > many go. E-mail if interested. > > > > Dan Kenney > Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 8 10:42:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e58EgYk29158 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id 8.7d.5d1fa26 (15905); Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:41:31 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: <7d.5d1fa26.26710a9a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:41:30 EDT Subject: Re: Isle of Man TT Report To: jzell@XXXXXX, dankenney@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown DREAM TRIP!!! hehe Scooter In a message dated Thu, 8 Jun 2000 8:28:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Jeannette Zell writes: << Wow, can anyone say DREAM TRIP!!??? - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.girlbiker.com At 05:25 PM 6/7/00 -0700, DAN KENNEY wrote: >I just got back to the states from the Isle of Man. All I can still say is >"awesome". >Dan Kenney >Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 8 15:41:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e58Jf0k04325 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va14-14.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.206]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01505; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3940220C.934A537D@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 15:45:32 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: CSS@VIR alumni crash ride route Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PRINT THIS OUT IF YOU WANT DIRECTIONS FOR THE RIDE ROUTE At the suggestion of Brian McCoy (thanks Brian!), I have put together a route for Saturday's ride. No, I don't have a map of the route! I have absolutely no idea of the exact mileage of this route. I am nearly 100% sure that all these roads are real roads (i.e., I hope I don't pull a Collin!) I used Mapquest on Yahoo! -- at least that's my excuse. And if someone has a better idea of how to go north to Front Royal after going over Thornton Gap, I am open to suggestion, but I don't know the roads on that side of the mountain so picked 340 because I knew I couldn't go wrong. I am assuming everyone will start with a full/nearly full tank of gas (where starting at a gas station!) We can do a fill-up/rest stop in Sperryville if necessary. Otherwise, probably not until Front Royal. Most of the roads we'll be on are 2-lane, "country" roads. Rolling. Plenty of turns (some on the blind side and some that lead to one-lane bridges). Hopefully not too much droning, but some is inevitable. If this is the first time out on any of these roads for anyone: 211 up and over Thornton Gap is pretty twisty with a couple of decreasing radius turns and a couple of turns that seem to go on forever. It's 2 lanes wide going uphill, but only 1 lane coming down. Ride conservatively if you're not the least bit sure of yourself here. And it's probably not a good idea to ride in "packs" so that any cops on the road (and there are likely to be cops) don't think we're "racing". I have no idea what 340 North from Luray to Front Royal is like! 601 can be pretty tricky up around the weather station (i.e., Mount Weather). There is a right-left sequence where the lefthander is tight and slightly downhill with gravel (usually) in the middle of the turn. Heads up! As Bannon will tell you from experience: Don't get mesmerized and fixate on the person's brakelight in front of you (a sure sign that they're carrying too much speed into the turn!) Pay attention to the turn. And the final turn coming down the mountain before Route 50/17 is a pretty tight righthander (decreasing radius?) Again, pay attention. L - turn left R - turn right BL - bear left BR - bear right S - straight X - cross TRO - to remain on Leaving from the Sheetz at 55 and 15 in Haymarket at 0900: L on 55 through The Plains and into Marshall S through Marshall L on 647 X I-66 R TRO 647 Stay on 647 all the way to Flint Hill L on 522 - T intersection R on 211 - T intersection Stay on 211 through Sperryville and up over Thornton Gap (NOTE: I'm only doing one pass over the mountain. If anyone wants to turn around and do multiple passes back and forth over the mountain, let me know at the ride start so I know not to look/wait for you.) 211 to Luray R on 340 North @ Luray Stay on 340 all the way into Front Royal R on Happy Creek Road in Front Royal BL TRO Happy Creek Road (might actually be Morgan Ford Road) @ I-66 R on 638 L TRO 638 - T intersection R on 17 @ Berrys - T intersection L on 606 (should be first left) BR onto 649 and go through Frogtown (I think basically you just follow the road you're on which is the "main" road) L on 605 - T intersection According to the map, 605 becomes 649 becomes 606 Stay on this "main" road R on Route 7 R on 601 (at the top of the hill) Take 601 all the way to Route 50/17 X Route 50/17 and meet in the parking lot on the other side This is a good place to re-group and then let everyone decide what they want to do next (and where they want/need to go). Depending on what time it is, folks can take Route 50 into Middleburg and cruise/strafe the roads in that area. Or they can hop on Route 17 which will take you back to I-66. Should be a fun ride! Cheers, Chuck, aka Skittles From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 8 15:55:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3603.mail.yahoo.com (web3603.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e58Jtck04585 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000608195526.20617.qmail@web3603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web3603.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 12:55:26 PDT Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:55:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CSS@VIR alumni crash ride route To: Chuck Pena , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Chuck, replace US 340 from Luray to Front Royal by using VA 675/678. I'm sure that someone who shows up on this ride will be able to point you in the right direction. The way I get to 675/678 is to take a right on the road after the second Luray exit. I can't remember the name of the damn road even though I tried to remember it on Saturday! Anyhow, that road ends right at 675. Turn right follow till it crosses a bridge and ends, turn left, go another half mile and turn right. 675 eventually turns into 678 which ends into VA 55. Turn right on VA 55 right into Front Royal. I may have mixed up my 675 and 678 roads up here but I think I got it right. Glenn --- Chuck Pena wrote: And > if someone has a better idea of how to go north to > Front Royal after > going over Thornton Gap, I am open to suggestion, > but I don't know the > roads on that side of the mountain so picked 340 > because I knew I > couldn't go wrong. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 8 20:31:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailout2-0.nyroc.rr.com (mailout2-1.nyroc.rr.com [24.92.226.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e590VOk11004 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from t1d4o4 (d18182c7f.rochester.rr.com [24.24.44.127]) by mailout2-0.nyroc.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA15282 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003c01bfd1ab$758ab2a0$7f2c1818@rochester.rr.com> From: "David VFR Thompson" To: Subject: Re: CSS@VIR alumni crash ride route Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:41:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Chuck Pena wrote: .......And if someone has a better idea of how to go north to Front Royal after going over Thornton Gap, I am open to suggestion, but I don't know the roads on that side of the mountain so picked 340 because I knew I couldn't go wrong.... ---------------------- Here's a suggested alternate to Rte340: In Luray, continue on 211 past US340 to Va 675 & turn right. Bear right on Va678 just past Kings Crossing. Follow to Rte 55, Right On Rte 55 to Front Royal. This route is almost entirely inside the National Forest, twisty and most important, virtually free of traffic. I ran it about 3 years ago and the pavement was in very good shape. David "RoutemeiSTer" Thompson http://home.rochester.rr.com/backroads/ Rochester NY AMA# 504560 STOC# 840 Current STable 90 Suzuki DR350S 91 Honda ST1100 94 Honda VFR From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 8 23:07:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e59374k13356 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-94.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.94]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA29760 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:06:56 -0400 Posted-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:06:56 -0400 Message-ID: <00d301bfd1bf$697b24e0$dda4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: MSF ERC Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:04:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D0_01BFD19D.E18F5180" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01BFD19D.E18F5180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable V e r r y formal by good instructors following strict party lines. = License, registration, insurance, inspection, and a lookover of as much = of the physical bike as they feel necessary. And at my last one the 10 = or so Harleys were spotless. Like a bike boot camp. =20 I've seen an option to skip the field work and take only the class if = the above isn't bulletproof, but, of course, this sans completion = certificate. The real benefit for me is in the field checkout. =20 Bill S. / DC=20 99 VN750 -> achey brakey, those field events Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ********** Can anyone tell me if they check your license/registration/paperwork at = these classes? I'm at slightly less than full compliance at the moment and = would like to know if i need to get it done ASAP. keep the shiny side up Rob -96 vfr ********** ------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01BFD19D.E18F5180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
V e r r y formal by good instructors following = strict party=20 lines.  License, registration, insurance, inspection, and a = lookover of as=20 much of the physical bike as they feel necessary.  And at my last = one the=20 10 or so Harleys were spotless.  Like a bike boot camp.  =
 
I've seen an option to skip the field work and take = only the=20 class if the above isn't bulletproof, but, of course, this sans = completion=20 certificate.  The real benefit for me is in the field = checkout. =20
 
Bill S. / DC
99 VN750 -> achey brakey, those field = events
Join the=20 AMA.  Help protect my riding fun.
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keep the shiny side up
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------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01BFD19D.E18F5180-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 9 09:02:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e59D2Uk21958 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va10-55.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.183]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02899; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39411627.D9E0C670@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 09:07:03 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: CSS@VIR alumni crash ride route References: <3940220C.934A537D@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At the suggestion of a couple of different people, there's a slight route change for Saturday. Instead of taking 340 north from Luray to Front Royal: R on 675 @ Luray BR onto 678 R on 55 R on 340 (south) into Front Royal L on Happy Creek Road in Front Royal Everything else is the same. Sounds like we'll have a pretty good group tomorrow! Remember, 8:15am around the corner (behind) the Amoco in Rosslyn (on Wilson Blvd.) for those who want to ride out together from Arlington. Otherwise, 9am at the Sheetz at the intersection of 55 and 15 in Haymarket. Cheers, Chuck, aka Skittles Chuck Pena wrote: > > PRINT THIS OUT IF YOU WANT DIRECTIONS FOR THE RIDE ROUTE > > At the suggestion of Brian McCoy (thanks Brian!), I have put together a > route for Saturday's ride. No, I don't have a map of the route! I have > absolutely no idea of the exact mileage of this route. I am nearly 100% > sure that all these roads are real roads (i.e., I hope I don't pull a > Collin!) I used Mapquest on Yahoo! -- at least that's my excuse. And > if someone has a better idea of how to go north to Front Royal after > going over Thornton Gap, I am open to suggestion, but I don't know the > roads on that side of the mountain so picked 340 because I knew I > couldn't go wrong. > > I am assuming everyone will start with a full/nearly full tank of gas > (where starting at a gas station!) We can do a fill-up/rest stop in > Sperryville if necessary. Otherwise, probably not until Front Royal. > > Most of the roads we'll be on are 2-lane, "country" roads. Rolling. > Plenty of turns (some on the blind side and some that lead to one-lane > bridges). Hopefully not too much droning, but some is inevitable. If > this is the first time out on any of these roads for anyone: > > 211 up and over Thornton Gap is pretty twisty with a couple of > decreasing radius turns and a couple of turns that seem to go on > forever. It's 2 lanes wide going uphill, but only 1 lane coming down. > Ride conservatively if you're not the least bit sure of yourself here. > And it's probably not a good idea to ride in "packs" so that any cops on > the road (and there are likely to be cops) don't think we're "racing". > > I have no idea what 340 North from Luray to Front Royal is like! > > 601 can be pretty tricky up around the weather station (i.e., Mount > Weather). There is a right-left sequence where the lefthander is tight > and slightly downhill with gravel (usually) in the middle of the turn. > Heads up! As Bannon will tell you from experience: Don't get mesmerized > and fixate on the person's brakelight in front of you (a sure sign that > they're carrying too much speed into the turn!) Pay attention to the > turn. And the final turn coming down the mountain before Route 50/17 is > a pretty tight righthander (decreasing radius?) Again, pay attention. > > L - turn left > R - turn right > BL - bear left > BR - bear right > S - straight > X - cross > TRO - to remain on > > Leaving from the Sheetz at 55 and 15 in Haymarket at 0900: > > L on 55 through The Plains and into Marshall > S through Marshall > L on 647 > X I-66 > R TRO 647 > Stay on 647 all the way to Flint Hill > L on 522 - T intersection > R on 211 - T intersection > Stay on 211 through Sperryville and up over Thornton Gap (NOTE: I'm only > doing one pass over the mountain. If anyone wants to turn around and do > multiple passes back and forth over the mountain, let me know at the > ride start so I know not to look/wait for you.) > 211 to Luray > R on 340 North @ Luray > Stay on 340 all the way into Front Royal > R on Happy Creek Road in Front Royal > BL TRO Happy Creek Road (might actually be Morgan Ford Road) @ I-66 > R on 638 > L TRO 638 - T intersection > R on 17 @ Berrys - T intersection > L on 606 (should be first left) > BR onto 649 and go through Frogtown (I think basically you just follow > the road you're on which is the "main" road) > L on 605 - T intersection > According to the map, 605 becomes 649 becomes 606 > Stay on this "main" road > R on Route 7 > R on 601 (at the top of the hill) > Take 601 all the way to Route 50/17 > X Route 50/17 and meet in the parking lot on the other side > > This is a good place to re-group and then let everyone decide what they > want to do next (and where they want/need to go). Depending on what > time it is, folks can take Route 50 into Middleburg and cruise/strafe > the roads in that area. Or they can hop on Route 17 which will take you > back to I-66. > > Should be a fun ride! > > Cheers, > Chuck, aka Skittles From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 9 09:42:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e59DgGk22507 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA18287 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000609094104.00a1a410@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 09:42:49 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Bike Night In-Reply-To: <39411627.D9E0C670@ix.netcom.com> References: <3940220C.934A537D@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sorry for the dumb question, but I didn't bookmark the Bike Night website. What time does the Carpool shindig start? Thanks. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 9 11:01:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e59F1bk24412 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va16-31.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.159]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA13578; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3941321B.BC9A0765@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 11:06:19 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeannette Zell CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Bike Night References: <3940220C.934A537D@ix.netcom.com> <4.1.20000609094104.00a1a410@intertv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeanette, Bike Night 2 at CarPool is 5pm to 9pm. These are the "official" times. Of course, you (and everyone else) are more than welcome to come early and/or stay late! %^) The website is http://www.geocities.com/bikenight. Hope you (and a whole lot of other people) will be there. Cheers, Chuck Jeannette Zell wrote: > > Sorry for the dumb question, but I didn't bookmark the Bike Night website. > What time does the Carpool shindig start? > Thanks. > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 9 13:23:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e59HNlk26429 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-247-159.s159.tnt8.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.247.159] helo=wskirt) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 130SVT-0004RD-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:23:43 -0400 Message-ID: <002b01bfd237$76724de0$c904fea9@wskirt> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <3940220C.934A537D@ix.netcom.com> <4.1.20000609094104.00a1a410@intertv.com> <3941321B.BC9A0765@ix.netcom.com> Subject: adjusting chain Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:23:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Anybody have a read stand and a torque wrench to help me adjust my chain? It's slack as hell right now. Free lunch or something would be in order as well... :-) Kirt From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 9 15:26:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gothic.answerlogic.com (gothic.answerlogic.com [38.203.217.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e59JQtk28291 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BABYTALK ([10.10.10.59]) by gothic.answerlogic.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id MGYNG54S; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:29:10 -0400 Message-ID: <013d01bfd248$e3b6f5c0$3b0a0a0a@answerlogic.com> From: "Han Park" To: "Kirt S." , References: <3940220C.934A537D@ix.netcom.com> <4.1.20000609094104.00a1a410@intertv.com> <3941321B.BC9A0765@ix.netcom.com> <002b01bfd237$76724de0$c904fea9@wskirt> Subject: Re: adjusting chain Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:28:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I have an f2 and adjust my chain with a car jack. I put the bike on the side stand and then from the other side with place a car jack so that when it lifts up with hits the swing arm infront of the rear wheel where is closes up. I use a piece of cardboard between the jack and swing arm to prevent any scratches. Just carefully (I mean carefully) raise the jack until the rear wheel is just off the ground and then adjust your chain. Either that or you can have a friend hold the rear up with the side stand down. Hope this helped. If you're still not sure just come by and I'll show you. Now if only I can think up some clever homebrew way of removing the front wheel to put a new tire on it... han ----- Original Message ----- From: Kirt S. To: Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 1:23 PM Subject: adjusting chain > Anybody have a read stand and a torque wrench to help me adjust my chain? > It's slack as hell right now. Free lunch or something would be in order as > well... :-) > > Kirt From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 9 15:51:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e59Jpek28713 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj [192.9.200.178] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.T) for ; Fri, 09 Jun 2000 15:49:54 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , Cc: Subject: Raising wheels Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:57:40 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.178 The easiest thing to do to raise the wheels on the F? bikes is the get a honda center stand. My old hurricane had one. It wasn't good for cornering clearance, so I didn't keep it on. Just bolted it up when wheel removal/adjustment was necessary (didn't even connect the spring). Of course, that bike had one on it when I bought it. Don't know the cost of the center stand when you have to buy it from honda =8^o. The beauty of it was it was much smaller than a pair of wheel stands. Also, if you went on a long trip, just install it and you can adjust/lube the chain w/no hassle along the way. I'm sure they are available for F2s, not sure about the F4 though. If you need tires changed, remove front wheel first, put a milk crate under the forks and remove the rear wheel. No problem. Sheesh, must be getting old because I wish the manufacturers would design them for sportbikes. Nice lightweight ones that tuck fully out of the way and don't touch down before the other hard parts. Shouldn't be that *&^%# difficult. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 9 16:08:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e59K8ak28917 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 16:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gothic.answerlogic.com (gothic.answerlogic.com [38.203.217.7]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA05426 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BABYTALK ([10.10.10.59]) by gothic.answerlogic.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id MGYNG5V4; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:58:04 -0400 Message-ID: <018501bfd24c$ecb02ee0$3b0a0a0a@answerlogic.com> From: "Han Park" To: References: <3940220C.934A537D@ix.netcom.com> <4.1.20000609094104.00a1a410@intertv.com> <3941321B.BC9A0765@ix.netcom.com> <002b01bfd237$76724de0$c904fea9@wskirt> <013d01bfd248$e3b6f5c0$3b0a0a0a@answerlogic.com> Subject: Re: adjusting chain Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:57:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Ooops, I need to proofread. The sentence should be ... "I put the bike on its side stand and from the other side place a car jack so that when it (the car jack) lifts up it hits the swing arm in front of the rear wheel where it (swing arm) closes up." Sorry for all the posts, I'm drain bamaged. han ----- Original Message ----- From: Han Park To: Kirt S. ; Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 3:28 PM Subject: Re: adjusting chain > I have an f2 and adjust my chain with a car jack. I put the bike on the > side stand and then from the other side with place a car jack so that when > it lifts up with hits the swing arm infront of the rear wheel where is > closes up. I use a piece of cardboard between the jack and swing arm to > prevent any scratches. Just carefully (I mean carefully) raise the jack > until the rear wheel is just off the ground and then adjust your chain. > Either that or you can have a friend hold the rear up with the side stand > down. Hope this helped. If you're still not sure just come by and I'll > show you. Now if only I can think up some clever homebrew way of removing > the front wheel to put a new tire on it... > > han > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kirt S. > To: > Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 1:23 PM > Subject: adjusting chain > > > > Anybody have a read stand and a torque wrench to help me adjust my chain? > > It's slack as hell right now. Free lunch or something would be in order > as > > well... :-) > > > > Kirt From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 9 16:35:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e59KZGk29359 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 16:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-247-159.s159.tnt8.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.247.159] helo=wskirt) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 130VUn-0003FH-00; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 16:35:13 -0400 Message-ID: <005601bfd252$373c1960$c904fea9@wskirt> From: "Kirt S." To: References: Subject: Kirt's F4 Chain and Sprockets... Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 16:35:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Ah well...don't sweat it. I just went by Coleman and had them do it for $15. ::shrug:: I was in the area, and I've had good luck with the service department. The parts department on the other hand can piss off, because EVERY time I try to do anything with them I get frustrated. Today I got a lecture on sprockets. A lecture I already knew and didn't need. Anyways, since the parts guy was giving me the run around, I'll ask the wise and venerable list. I've looked around already, but I can't find anyone that sells 48 tooth 525 width rear sprockets. Are these made? My current setup is... 15 tooth Sprocket Specialists front sprocket (down one tooth from OEM) 45 tooth Rear OEM Sprocket OEM 525 chain (whatever it is) I'd like to keep the same final drive ratio the same...ie 3:1. I have an unused OEM front sprocket (came that way when I bought the bike), and would like to order a 48 tooth rear from some aftermarket place. However, the service guys said with that setup I would need to add something like 5 or 6 extra links to a chain to get it to work. UGH. The recommended me picking up AFAM sprockets and keeping my current configuration, 15 tooth on the front and 45 on the rear. However, AFAM only makes the rear in Aluminum, and the front will be steel. Am I asking for it getting an aluminum rear sprocket? Will it wear out quicker? I'm planning on buying the D.I.D. X-Ring chain (but not from Coleman, like $150 from them) too. Too much shit to buy for the bike right now...rotors, sprockets, chains, ugh :-) Kirt 99 F4 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 9 16:53:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com ([208.249.27.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e59Kr2k29581 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 16:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by QSI_LEE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 16:53:10 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062C51@QSI_TYSONS> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Your opinion needed Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 16:46:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Ok, I ride a red VFR, too fast sometimes (-: Does having one headlight white the other yellow increase my odds significantly of being pulled over by the cops? Does anyone have any experience in this matter? Thanks Mark From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 9 17:19:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e59LJHk00276 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id RAA09193; Fri, 9 Jun 1972 17:24:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1972 17:24:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Kirt S." cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: adjusting chain In-Reply-To: <002b01bfd237$76724de0$c904fea9@wskirt> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You can adjust it perfectly well without raising the rear wheel---just roll it to different positions on the chain to make sure the slack is right. Then check again after tightening up the axle bolt. --garcia On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Kirt S. wrote: > Anybody have a read stand and a torque wrench to help me adjust my chain? > It's slack as hell right now. Free lunch or something would be in order as > well... :-) > > Kirt > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 9 17:33:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e59LXQk00483 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.c4.4c73873 (1813) for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:33:10 -0400 (EDT) From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:33:08 EDT Subject: Speedvision on Cox cable? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 106 Where the hell did it go?? Anybody know what happened? From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 9 17:43:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from awcst094.netaddress.usa.net (awcst094.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.94]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e59Lh6k00648 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18274 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jun 2000 21:43:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20000609214301.18273.qmail@awcst094.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.94 by awcst094 for [162.70.119.107] via web-mailer(34FM1.4.02C) on Fri Jun 9 21:43:01 GMT 2000 Date: 9 Jun 00 17:43:01 EDT From: Linda Tanner To: Subject: Re:Speedvision on Cox cable? X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM1.4.02C) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e59LhIk00649 According to the cox site http://www.cox.com/Fairfax/lineup/ It's now sharing 50 with Toon Disney and outdoor life. Sounds like we get less speedvision and I'm not a happy camper. LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (67K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing (0 miles and not counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 9 18:20:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe1.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e59MK3k01204 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 18:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cox.rr.com ([24.28.195.84]) by mail1.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 18:19:30 -0400 Message-ID: <39416D8E.F5C53BA4@cox.rr.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 18:19:58 -0400 From: Larry Meyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speedvision on Cox cable? References: <20000609214301.18273.qmail@awcst094.netaddress.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it's the same amount of Speedvision - it's been shared for as long as I've watched. Larry Meyer Annandale, VA '97 Bandit 1200 Linda Tanner wrote: > According to the cox site http://www.cox.com/Fairfax/lineup/ > > It's now sharing 50 with Toon Disney and outdoor life. > > Sounds like we get less speedvision and I'm not a happy camper. > > LindaT. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 9 20:10:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5A0AYk02683 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 1cust55.tnt5.phoenix.az.da.uu.net [63.14.196.55] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:10:27 -0700 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Hows this for a MC accident Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:10:44 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01bfd270$51ccce50$37c40e3f@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal ftp://ftp.hondavfr.org/Incoming/GoodinsCrash.jpg This is NOT doctored, it's 3rd party info from my hands, coming from the guy who took the picture (I'm assuming, it happened to his friend). NO INJURIES. Apparently, the XX was doing 70mph or so and was hit by the lady (drunk) who was doing over 100. The rider reportidly stayed ON THE BIKE till they stopped! Amazing. Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 9 21:27:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from boo-mda02.boo.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [216.200.67.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5A1Rqk03803 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 21:27:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from boo.net (ppp-boonet2-11.boo.net [208.184.99.11]) by boo-mda02.boo.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27382 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:30:00 -0400 Message-ID: <394197B4.7C50E464@boo.net> Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 21:19:48 -0400 From: Jay Goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sunday Ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there still a Sunday ride? Lisa andI will be bored before bikenight. Thanks!! Jay From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 9 23:26:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5A3Q0k05335 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norc (dyn57.c5200-2.king-george.246.crosslink.net [206.246.117.186]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with SMTP id XAA26475 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:25:56 -0400 X-Really-To: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000609232455.00c15bc0@biga.pop.crosslink.net> X-Sender: biga@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 23:24:55 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: zbig@XXXXXX (by way of Andrew Culpepper ) Subject: Re: Ride for Bike Night 2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" repost of Zbigniew's original message: ********************************** OK, kiddos - here it goes. Bike Night 2 Ride. Meeting: Burger King, on Rt 7, between Cascades and Countryside. Total ride: 250 miles, approx 7 hours. We will go directly to Carpool. pace: slow, sedating, easy. If you want to hurry - go ahead, road is open. protective gear - recommended, as usually. Cheaper than skin grafts. Detailed directions to Burger Kind, ride route description, maps (PDF), maps (Street Atlas 6.0 format) - available at: http://www.apk.net/zbig/bn2 I will have a limited supply of ride sheets and maps with me; if you can, download/print the ones posted on the web. bring with you your digital camera, GPS, geek toys... and enjoy the ride. _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 00' Blade C43 AMG - Silver Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 10 14:40:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5AIerk21046 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va6-17.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.81]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA04077; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3942B655.F37F799F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:42:45 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles , Bannon Wysocki , Jay Ribera Subject: Saturday CSS@VIR alumni ride report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to everyone who came out for the ride today. I had a good/fun time and hope y'all did too. We actually had 3 CSS@VIR alumni at today's ride: me, Mark Kitchell, and Bannon Wysocki (not one of the infamous crashers). Also on the ride (and I hope I got everybody): Jay (a friend of Bannon's whom I've ridden with before), John(?) (pretty blue VFR750), Fred (aka "the cop"), and Hugh. NOTE: Hugh was on a cruiser (Magna) and did just fine. So for those on the list who might be worried that they're "slow" or ride a "slow bike", three words: forget about it! You'll be fine (as long as you ride within your limits). And I know there are riders on the list who could kick my ass on a moped! Did I miss anyone??? If so, you can flog me in public tomorrow night at Bike Night 2! %^) I thought we were gonna have a couple of other riders from the list (Sanath? Kirt? Glenn?) Also, a guy on a Honda Blackbird (loaded for bear with soft touring bags) who is up in the area from the Newport News area joined us after a gas stop in Luray. Sorry, but I can't remember his name. Nice guy. Good rider. I am happy to report no incidents or problems (i.e., crashes or tickets). Bannon showed why he was at the head of the class for Level One CSS@VIR by showing the way on 211 up and over Thornton Gap. We missed the turn for 675 in Luray. Ended up going all the way to New Market then north on 11. Found 675 and cut back over to 678 (John chose to go south on 675 at this point, presumably to figure out where it connects in Luray so we don't miss it next time out). FYI, 678 is an absolute blast! Almost all the turns are wide open, but some of the lefthanders have blind/semi-blind entries. Nonetheless, we were railing down this road. In my head, I kept thinking that this is what it must be like doing the IOMTT, except that they go about twice as fast! %^) Oh yeah, there's a section of 678 that's part of the national park that has lots of tiny loose gravel all over the road. Needless to say, we were not railing through this section. I felt my back tire step out/slide once (and we were maybe going 25 mph). Mark Kitchell had a little "whoa!" experience with the gravel (but kept it upright). And you were likely to be pelted by gravel if you rode too closely behind someone. By the time we got to 55, we decided to call it a day. So no ride down by the river and 601/Mount Weather this time out. Probably would've tacked another 1-1/2 hours of riding and everyone pretty much had to get home (and we were already behind schedule). I definitely want to do/lead this ride again. And to budget more time so we can include the stretch of road down by the river (lots of turns) and 601/Mount Weather. Hope to see everyone at Bike Night 2 tomorrow night at CarPool! Cheers, Chuck, aka Skittles -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 10 14:51:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5AIpCk21309 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-131-172.s172.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.131.172] helo=wskirt) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 130qLc-0004xm-00; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:51:08 -0400 Message-ID: <006001bfd30c$d5d900a0$c904fea9@wskirt> From: "Kirt S." To: "Charles V. Pena" Cc: References: <3942B655.F37F799F@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Saturday CSS@VIR alumni ride report Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:51:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I got home at midnight last night. I had to ride home from Annapolis with a passenger. About halfway home, I got really tired. Took tooooooo many no-doze, and then couldn't get to sleep until about 4:30 AM. Tried to wake up on time...didn't happen, wook up at 11:30 this morning. damnit. Sorry. I'll see you tomorrow at BikeNight2 Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles V. Pena" To: "DC Cycles" ; "Bannon Wysocki" ; "Jay Ribera" Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 5:42 PM Subject: Saturday CSS@VIR alumni ride report > Thanks to everyone who came out for the ride today. I had a good/fun > time and hope y'all did too. > > We actually had 3 CSS@VIR alumni at today's ride: me, Mark Kitchell, and > Bannon Wysocki (not one of the infamous crashers). Also on the ride > (and I hope I got everybody): Jay (a friend of Bannon's whom I've ridden > with before), John(?) (pretty blue VFR750), Fred (aka "the cop"), and > Hugh. NOTE: Hugh was on a cruiser (Magna) and did just fine. So for > those on the list who might be worried that they're "slow" or ride a > "slow bike", three words: forget about it! You'll be fine (as long as > you ride within your limits). And I know there are riders on the list > who could kick my ass on a moped! Did I miss anyone??? If so, you can > flog me in public tomorrow night at Bike Night 2! %^) I thought we were > gonna have a couple of other riders from the list (Sanath? Kirt? > Glenn?) Also, a guy on a Honda Blackbird (loaded for bear with soft > touring bags) who is up in the area from the Newport News area joined us > after a gas stop in Luray. Sorry, but I can't remember his name. Nice > guy. Good rider. > > I am happy to report no incidents or problems (i.e., crashes or > tickets). Bannon showed why he was at the head of the class for Level > One CSS@VIR by showing the way on 211 up and over Thornton Gap. We > missed the turn for 675 in Luray. Ended up going all the way to New > Market then north on 11. Found 675 and cut back over to 678 (John chose > to go south on 675 at this point, presumably to figure out where it > connects in Luray so we don't miss it next time out). FYI, 678 is an > absolute blast! Almost all the turns are wide open, but some of the > lefthanders have blind/semi-blind entries. Nonetheless, we were railing > down this road. In my head, I kept thinking that this is what it must > be like doing the IOMTT, except that they go about twice as fast! %^) > Oh yeah, there's a section of 678 that's part of the national park that > has lots of tiny loose gravel all over the road. Needless to say, we > were not railing through this section. I felt my back tire step > out/slide once (and we were maybe going 25 mph). Mark Kitchell had a > little "whoa!" experience with the gravel (but kept it upright). And > you were likely to be pelted by gravel if you rode too closely behind > someone. By the time we got to 55, we decided to call it a day. So no > ride down by the river and 601/Mount Weather this time out. Probably > would've tacked another 1-1/2 hours of riding and everyone pretty much > had to get home (and we were already behind schedule). > > I definitely want to do/lead this ride again. And to budget more time > so we can include the stretch of road down by the river (lots of turns) > and 601/Mount Weather. > > Hope to see everyone at Bike Night 2 tomorrow night at CarPool! > > Cheers, > Chuck, aka Skittles > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 10 18:21:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5AMKxk25234 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va26-22.ix.netcom.com [207.223.162.150]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA22939; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3942E9EC.A35B1CEA@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:22:52 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kirt S." CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday CSS@VIR alumni ride report References: <3942B655.F37F799F@ix.netcom.com> <006001bfd30c$d5d900a0$c904fea9@wskirt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirt, Sounds like you needed the sleep! %^) Would rather have you well rested than trying to go out for a ride tired. We'll get you next time. And we'll see you tomorrow night! Chuck "Kirt S." wrote: > > I got home at midnight last night. I had to ride home from Annapolis with a > passenger. About halfway home, I got really tired. Took tooooooo many > no-doze, and then couldn't get to sleep until about 4:30 AM. Tried to wake > up on time...didn't happen, wook up at 11:30 this morning. damnit. Sorry. > I'll see you tomorrow at BikeNight2 -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 10 18:23:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5AMN7k25244 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:23:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va26-22.ix.netcom.com [207.223.162.150]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA19517; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3942EA67.9BEEDA99@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:24:55 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian McCoy CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hows this for a MC accident References: <000c01bfd270$51ccce50$37c40e3f@tra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian, Ouch! But cool pic! %^) Glad to hear there were no injuries. So is this some sort of new SUV hybrid??? Or maybe something new for the IOMTT (I mean, sidecars are for pansies!) %^) Chuck Brian McCoy wrote: > > ftp://ftp.hondavfr.org/Incoming/GoodinsCrash.jpg > > This is NOT doctored, it's 3rd party info from my hands, coming from the guy > who took the picture (I'm assuming, it happened to his friend). NO > INJURIES. Apparently, the XX was doing 70mph or so and was hit by the lady > (drunk) who was doing over 100. The rider reportidly stayed ON THE BIKE > till they stopped! > > Amazing. > > Brian McCoy -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 10 20:50:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5B0oHk27203 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:50:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA05611; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:49:55 -0400 From: zbig@XXXXXX To: "Charles V. Pena" Cc: DC Cycles , Bannon Wysocki , Jay Ribera Subject: Re: Saturday CSS@VIR alumni ride report Message-ID: <20000610204955.A5591@kleks.org> References: <3942B655.F37F799F@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <3942B655.F37F799F@ix.netcom.com> * Charles V. Pena (cvkgpena@XXXXXX) [000610 20:43]: > > I am happy to report no incidents or problems (i.e., crashes or > tickets). Bannon showed why he was at the head of the class for Level > One CSS@VIR by showing the way on 211 up and over Thornton Gap. We > missed the turn for 675 in Luray. Ended up going all the way to New > Market then north on 11. Found 675 and cut back over to 678 (John chose > to go south on 675 at this point, presumably to figure out where it > connects in Luray so we don't miss it next time out). FYI, 678 is an > absolute blast! Almost all the turns are wide open, but some of the Now I know why I was unable to find you. I left Leesburg around 09:30 picking up bike from service; quick run 15 south to Gilber's corner, Middletown to Plain, 55 to marshall, south to Flint Hill, 211 and then north via Elizabeth Furnace. To find it: Join me tomorrow :-) i will lead the way... or going on 211, _just_ after 340 north, first righ - innocent looking; at stop/dead end, 90 degrees left, follw about 2 miles, at stop sign right - and you are set up. There is some fresh gravel on part of the road in Forest, around Elizabth Furnace, for about 4 miles. It was not there about a week ago. Yuck. Glad I checked it today. > you were likely to be pelted by gravel if you rode too closely behind > someone. By the time we got to 55, we decided to call it a day. So no > ride down by the river and 601/Mount Weather this time out. Probably Ha - I did it looking for you. I am sorry I missed you guys. > I definitely want to do/lead this ride again. And to budget more time > so we can include the stretch of road down by the river (lots of turns) > and 601/Mount Weather. Join me tomorrow - we will do it... 9:30 meeting, 10:00 departure from Burger King. Maps at http://www.apk.net/zbig/bn2 > Cheers, > Chuck, aka Skittles _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 00' Blade C43 AMG - Silver Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 10 22:37:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5B2bnk28549 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 22:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va18-54.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.118]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA08482; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 22:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3943261C.3C8E0A5D@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 22:39:40 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: zbig@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Saturday CSS@VIR alumni ride report References: <3942B655.F37F799F@ix.netcom.com> <20000610204955.A5591@kleks.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zbig, Sorry you missed us. Probably not by too much actually. The gravel on 678 in the National Forest (Elizabeth Furnace) was most definitely NOT a lot of fun. Kinda nerve wracking actually. I'm just glad everyone kept it upright through that section. Can't join you tomorrow. %^( Doing brunch with friends who are moving out of the area. BTW, thought you were also doing a pre-Bike Night arriving at CarPool ride tomorrow??? Will see you at Bike Night 2! Chuck zbig@XXXXXX wrote : > > Join me tomorrow - we will do it... > 9:30 meeting, 10:00 departure from Burger King. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 11 16:04:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5BK4Yk13778 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-126-211.s592.tnt5.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.126.211] helo=wskirt) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 131Dy8-0002bi-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:04:30 -0400 Message-ID: <001b01bfd3e0$42b5a9c0$c904fea9@wskirt> From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: test Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:04:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 did I get booted? Kirt From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 11 18:22:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r20.mx.aol.com (imo-r20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5BMMik17289 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo-r20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.96.600a1c6 (4415); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:22:35 -0400 (EDT) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Message-ID: <96.600a1c6.26756b2a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:22:34 EDT Subject: MSF --Please forward To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cb-750@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 If you live in Virginia and find that you local MSF classes are full you should know that Virginia will accept a completion card from West Virginia. Call 1-800-325-7821. Bob From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 11 21:59:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5C1xZk20082 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:59:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14783 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:59:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:59:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Sunday's Ride Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thanks Zbig, you lead a good ride (at least as far as I was with you). Unfortunately I had to bail prior to 211. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 11 22:39:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5C2dgk20645 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13553 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:39:33 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000611223822.00bb4be0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:38:58 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: MC Joke Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Found on usenet: I was driving back up the M1 at a nice steady just legal speed when a guy on a Honda 50 started overtaking me. There is only so much one can be expected to take. A Honda 50?? I accelerated. He accelerated. I accelerated. He kept pace. As we passed ninety he gave me a wave. As we passed a hundred he winked. When I topped out at a hundred and ten, he casually took one hand off the handlebars, put a cigarette in his mouth and leaned over and tapped on my window. I lowered the window and he shouted "Have you got a light?" I screamed: "You maniac! You'll kill yourself!" "No," he replied shaking his head. "I never have more than three a day." ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 11 22:46:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5C2kmk20816 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va11-61.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.253]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA26961; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <394479B9.DC51725C@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:48:41 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kirt S." CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: test References: <001b01bfd3e0$42b5a9c0$c904fea9@wskirt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirt, If you mean from the dc-cycles list: No. Got your email loud and clear! %^) Chuck "Kirt S." wrote: > > did I get booted? > > Kirt -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 11 22:52:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5C2qrk20894 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:52:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va11-61.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.253]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA01945 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:52:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39447B28.48ECCC8@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:54:48 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Bike Night 2 - THANX! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a note to say "Thanx!" to all those who were able to make it to Bike Night 2. Mark and I have a lot of fun organizing it, but what makes it so great is all the people who attend. I had a good time and hope y'all did too. I got to meet a lot of people, but -- unfortunately -- not everyone. Lots of different kinds of motorcycles this time out. Still need to get more people to the next one to break the magic 100 mark! We'll keep you posted about the next one. Probably in July. Day, time, and location TBD. Cheers, Skittles, aka Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 12 00:01:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5C41hk21787 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-184-1.s1.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.184.1] helo=wskirt) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 131LPw-0004AG-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:01:40 -0400 Message-ID: <002501bfd422$ec0fd3a0$c904fea9@wskirt> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <39447B28.48ECCC8@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 - THANX! Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:01:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I was gonna show up, but then I realized that you have to be 21. While that's not an issue for my 23 year old butt, it is for my girlfriend who is a mere 19. ::sigh:: We were planning on showing up together. She was disapointed, so I did the good boyfriend thing and hung out with her. Any chance we might be able to get her in at the next Bike Night? Neither of us drink at all, so we won't be sneaking beers or anything. Glad to hear it went over so well. Wish I could've been there. Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles V. Pena" To: "DC Cycles" Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 1:54 AM Subject: Bike Night 2 - THANX! > Just a note to say "Thanx!" to all those who were able to make it to > Bike Night 2. Mark and I have a lot of fun organizing it, but what > makes it so great is all the people who attend. I had a good time and > hope y'all did too. I got to meet a lot of people, but -- unfortunately > -- not everyone. Lots of different kinds of motorcycles this time out. > Still need to get more people to the next one to break the magic 100 > mark! We'll keep you posted about the next one. Probably in July. > Day, time, and location TBD. > > Cheers, > Skittles, aka Chuck > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 12 00:24:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe1.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5C4OQk22040 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [24.28.208.69] ([24.28.208.69]) by mail1.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:24:11 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:28:23 -0400 Subject: SPAM: 6th Annual Horsepower Shootout. From: David Cross To: DC Cycles Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <39447B28.48ECCC8@ix.netcom.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Please forgive the spam but it is motorcycle related and they are my sponsor. Fast Lane Cycles is having its 6th Annual Horsepower Shootout on Sunday, July 9th from 11:00 - 5:00. Cost of entry is $20 per class. Even if you dont think you have a chance of winning this is still a cheap way to find out just how much horsepower your motorcycle makes. Plus you get a free t-shirt and who cant use another one of those? What is kind of interesting to watch is sometimes you will see two stock motorcyles, same model, same year and similar mileage vary significantly in the horsepower they make. Sometimes as much as 10hp. Not all bikes are created equal at the factory. Last years winner was a turbo charged, 1200cc Suzuki Bandit that made something like 175hp (if my memory is correct). Check out the web site for all the details. http://www.fastlanecycles.com Dave Cross From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 12 08:44:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bastion4.mail.sprint.com (bastion4.mail.sprint.com [208.4.28.132]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5CCiYk29007 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:44:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sii01.mail.sprint.com by bastion4.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:44:17 -0500 Received: from [144.223.128.84] by sii01.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:44:11 -0500 Received: from reopmp01.corp.sprint.com (reopmp01m [144.224.249.75]) by kcopmh01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA00253 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:44:10 -0500 (CDT) From: ursulina viteri Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by reopmp01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA29971 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:44:09 -0400 (EDT) X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:44:09 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: GPS Owners - can you offer a little help with directions? TO: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="openmail-part-16db3ef4-00000001" --openmail-part-16db3ef4-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello GPS owners or others who happen to know, I was wondering if the GPS could help me with the following directions. I need to know how many miles there are between each point. FROM I-95 SOUTH: 1) Take exit 3 West, Culpeper/Fredericksburg. 2) Travel ?? miles to a Left at Route 20 South, Constitution Highway in the town of Wilderness. 3) Travel ?? miles to a Right on 621, Pine Stake Road. 4) Travel ?? miles to a Left on 602, Black Walnut Run Road. - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD --openmail-part-16db3ef4-00000001-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 12 09:05:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5CD5nk29357 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Nct001wB40133a (ip32.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.32]) by smtp2.abac.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e5CDB6Z90366; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200006121311.e5CDB6Z90366@smtp2.abac.com> X-Sender: dreamer%abac.com@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:01:44 -0400 To: Vulcan Riders & Owners Club From: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" Subject: Nomad Fi, 1st Trip report Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Mother Nature had PMS last week! My planned 2500 mile, 7 day trip turned into a 1300 mile, 5 day trip. My companion (on his new Goldwing SE) and I completed the 250 miles to Pittsburgh in the rain on Monday. The bike had exactly 600.7 miles on it when it rode it into the shop up there for the 600 mile first service! Couldn't do that again if I tried! We set off for Troy, NY on Tuesday and gave up in Lamar, PA, 140 miles into the day of lower 40 degree temps and steady cold rain! Late year nor eastern storm. Wednesday was cold but sunny and we blasted the rest of the way to Troy, NY. It was also the only day of the trip with no rain. The mountains were spectacular and the bike is by far the nicest ride I've ever had. It's stable and powerful and loves to fly! It corners much better than my Virago 1100 ever did. It still lurches against the clutch on start when the weather is cold but pumping the clutch a few times solves the problem. Thursday morning we rode over to Lake George in morning showers. I was disappointed in the Americade rally. It was expensive and commercial and only had stuff for Harley and goldwing! Oh well. Friday we were due to head for Maine but changed our minds after watching the weather channel call for rain rain rain rain in that area. We headed home on Friday, in rain of course! We left the storm behind quickly however. The first hundred miles or so were beautiful! NY State Tuconic Parkway is a fantastic ride! Then we hit the interstates in "Joisy" and it was a slab through a blast furnace all the way home to Alexandria, Virginia! Talk about your contrasts! Sheesh! All in all a typical motorcycle vacation. The weather was a little drastic but Murphy does love motorcycles and our rain gear was sufficient to keep all but our hands and feet dry. The Nomad averaged 44 - 46 miles to the gallon and hit reserve between 145 and 152 depending on type and speed of driving. I was pleased. It's better gas mileage than the Virago 1100. I thought I'd read on the list that 110 was the average range before hitting reserve? Am I going senile? What are other Fi folks averaging for mileage? Ride safe Dawn ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX 2000 Vulcan Nomad 1500 Fi, SoulFyre VROC #4411 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 12 09:25:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5CDPfk29700 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-118.patriot.net [209.249.180.118]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5CDPS211896; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:25:29 -0400 Message-ID: <3944E35B.4B0EB375@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:19:23 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" CC: Vulcan Riders & Owners Club , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nomad Fi, 1st Trip report References: <200006121311.e5CDB6Z90366@smtp2.abac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds like a fun trip! I avoid big rallys - all of them have gone commercial and are full of posers. Cart the bike to the site - offload from trailer, ride in looking pretty. Gas milage? 44 - 46 ain't bad. My old Suzuki GS550E use to get close to 60 MPG but the Hawg doesn't. Most cruisers are aerodynamically *dirty* so milage will vary with speed. When chugging along back roads the Hawg can do 50 MPG easy, but when blasting down super-slabs - forget it. On the way back from NC on Sunday I was keeping with the I-95 flow which at times was running 80 or so and milage was down to around 35 -38. This puts me on reserve about 140 - 150 miles. Bill Dawn G.T. Gibson wrote: > Mother Nature had PMS last week! My planned 2500 mile, 7 day trip turned > into a 1300 mile, 5 day trip. My companion (on his new Goldwing SE) and I > completed the 250 miles to Pittsburgh in the rain on Monday. The bike had > exactly 600.7 miles on it when it rode it into the shop up there for the > 600 mile first service! Couldn't do that again if I tried! > > We set off for Troy, NY on Tuesday and gave up in Lamar, PA, 140 miles into > the day of lower 40 degree temps and steady cold rain! Late year nor > eastern storm. Wednesday was cold but sunny and we blasted the rest of the > way to Troy, NY. It was also the only day of the trip with no rain. The > mountains were spectacular and the bike is by far the nicest ride I've ever > had. It's stable and powerful and loves to fly! It corners much better > than my Virago 1100 ever did. It still lurches against the clutch on start > when the weather is cold but pumping the clutch a few times solves the > problem. > > Thursday morning we rode over to Lake George in morning showers. I was > disappointed in the Americade rally. It was expensive and commercial and > only had stuff for Harley and goldwing! Oh well. Friday we were due to > head for Maine but changed our minds after watching the weather channel > call for rain rain rain rain in that area. We headed home on Friday, in > rain of course! We left the storm behind quickly however. > > The first hundred miles or so were beautiful! NY State Tuconic Parkway is > a fantastic ride! Then we hit the interstates in "Joisy" and it was a slab > through a blast furnace all the way home to Alexandria, Virginia! Talk > about your contrasts! Sheesh! > > All in all a typical motorcycle vacation. The weather was a little drastic > but Murphy does love motorcycles and our rain gear was sufficient to keep > all but our hands and feet dry. > > The Nomad averaged 44 - 46 miles to the gallon and hit reserve between 145 > and 152 depending on type and speed of driving. I was pleased. It's > better gas mileage than the Virago 1100. I thought I'd read on the list > that 110 was the average range before hitting reserve? Am I going senile? > What are other Fi folks averaging for mileage? > > Ride safe > > Dawn > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX > 2000 Vulcan Nomad 1500 Fi, SoulFyre > VROC #4411 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 12 09:39:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r14.mx.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5CDdek29890 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.b6.64f6930 (3990) for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:39:29 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:39:28 EDT Subject: Re: GPS Owners - can you offer a little help with directions? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 GPS will give you point to point distance (straight line). It won't give you the road miles. Any of the PC based mapping packages (DeLorme, MicroSoft, Rand McNally) should give you driving distances - I know that DeLorme and MicroSoft will - not sure about the others. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 12 09:40:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5CDeCk29903 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-118.patriot.net [209.249.180.118]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5CDe8214043 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:40:08 -0400 Message-ID: <3944E6CA.4DF207B4@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:34:02 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: It works!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Methinks the Hawg problems, beggining with a puked cam bearing a few months ago, and continuing with a few wrench *slips*, are finnaly over - almost. I had to replace a sidecover bolt that fell out from lack of wrench attention and tighten the other one, and an annoying rattle turned out to be a goof. The mech put the rocker breather tube on backwards, not a problem in itself but a problem because the tube was then tilted right under the gas tank and would hammer the hell out of it while the engine vibed - Harley EVO on rubber mounts - it shakes. The shake down cruise - run to Elizabeth City NC where I was officiating an outboard race. The race sponser also had the new Harley dealer at the event and demanded that I put my bike in the bike show. Yeah, right - and he expected me to CLEAN it? Sorry, I be busy at the race, so I parked it in the show and told them to live with the bugsplats. An example of a Hawg that didn't arrive in the enclosed trailers parked off-site. The ride home was a blaster - keeping up with the beach traffic. Why are these people in such a hurry to get home? Must be the same mentality that makes them race to work. One more minor prob to fix, and I have the two oil line seals - a leak. Oh my, a Harley that leaks oil - what a surprise (eye roll). Maybe I'll get around to fixing it before the Raleigh NC run, or maybe I'll just carry extra oil. Bill From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 12 09:56:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5CDubk00227 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id h.44.47746ef (3990); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:52:01 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <44.47746ef.26764500@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:52:00 EDT Subject: Re: Nomad Fi, 1st Trip report To: dreamer@XXXXXX, vulcan@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 In a message dated 6/12/00 09:07:02 Eastern Daylight Time, dreamer@XXXXXX writes: > Mother Nature had PMS last week! My planned 2500 mile, 7 day trip turned > into a 1300 mile, 5 day trip. 'Bout the same for me. I had planned a week in New England/Canada but gave up. Rode north to Watkins Glen on Wednesday - great weather and a nice ride (US 15 to PA 14) US 15 was so-so, but PA 14 is a great stretch of road. The main track was closed to the public, but the proprietor of the motel I stayed at gave me a brochure about the original (1948 - 1952) public road GP track. You can take a self-guided tour of the old course which starts and finishes at the county courthouse. I did about 10 laps, and since 90% of the course is out in the country, the laps were getting brisker and brisker :-). I will say that the racers had VERY large you-know-whats to do that course at race speed - a six mile lap with an altitude change of over 500 feet - and all of that at the start and finish! Thursday had me heading to Lake George and friends at Americade. Cross country via GPS waypoints (courtesy of DeLorme Street Atlas). Lots of great roads. A bit chilly and overcast, but confortable in sweatshirt and jacket. Friday dawned sunny and brisk, immediately changing to thunderstorms, hail and a series of torrential downpours that lasted until late afternoon. Did very little riding. A check of the weather channel showed the rain moving off in the same direction that I planned to go in, and finishing the week with lousy weather in Virginia just in time to welcome me home - soooo it was either cut it short and run for home with my (dry) tail between my legs or do 5 days in the rain. Here I is!! Maybe next year Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 12 10:12:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bucky.excite.com (bucky-rwcmex.excite.com [198.3.99.218]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5CEC6k00511 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prickles ([199.172.153.88]) by bucky.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000612141143.CXJS12519.bucky.excite.com@prickles> for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:11:43 -0700 Message-ID: <29789187.960819103889.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:11:43 -0700 (PDT) From: James Hoofnagle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Weekend rides Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.172.7.13 Sorry I missed all the festivities this weekend, sounds like there was tons 'o fun to be had by all. How'd the MD 20-20 go? No tickets, accidents, or 10 hour times I hope. Sorry Mark and Chuck I couldn't make it to bike night last night. I did a 75 mile training ride from DC to BWI and back on my bicycle yesterday. I think I left my soul on the side of the road some where near the Howard county line, so if anybody finds it could you please return it. ;^) If the AIDS Ride is as hot as it was yesterday, there's going to be alot of very sad people. __________ They can't hit you, if they can't catch you! James E-TKT _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 12 10:57:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web313.mail.yahoo.com (web313.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5CEvWk01116 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000612145724.26540.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [164.117.11.25] by web313.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:57:24 PDT Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:57:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Weekend rides To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- James Hoofnagle wrote: > Sorry I missed all the festivities this weekend, sounds like there was tons > 'o fun to be had by all. How'd the MD 20-20 go? No tickets, accidents, or > 10 hour times I hope. MD2020 went well. 3 tickets. Some country cop in West Virginia picked them off. Wrote them up for 55 in a 45. (they were actually in the low 60s). I got lucky and saw the lights and managed to slow down in time. No accidents that I know of, however one guy filled his tank up with Diesel fuel in Binghamton. He was out for the rest of it. I called it a day early, where Rt. 9 meets I-70 in Ohio. My tires looked worse than I thought (the hot pavement wasn't helping any) and dispite the fact that I kept drinking water, I didn't feel all that good. My focus wasn't where it should have been. I almost missed a few turns, and once wound up in the other lane of traffic. This was about 2 pm. I figured part of it was the heat, and part was the bad nights sleep I got the night before. Decided at that point it would be better to take I-70 back to Hagerstown rather than taking a chance. But, damn, Rt. 50 gets to be a blast in WV!! I've only taken it to Ocean City before, nothing fun there. And Ohio Rt. 9... Oh my gosh!!! Todd Peer did a good job putting on twisty roads! In fact some people commented that they were starting to get a little tired of the twisties... evil! :-) Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Route Planner, Mason-Dixon 20-20 http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 12 10:57:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web311.mail.yahoo.com (web311.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5CEvUk01115 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:57:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000612145721.13428.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [164.117.11.25] by web311.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:57:21 PDT Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:57:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Weekend rides To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- James Hoofnagle wrote: > Sorry I missed all the festivities this weekend, sounds like there was tons > 'o fun to be had by all. How'd the MD 20-20 go? No tickets, accidents, or > 10 hour times I hope. MD2020 went well. 3 tickets. Some country cop in West Virginia picked them off. Wrote them up for 55 in a 45. (they were actually in the low 60s). I got lucky and saw the lights and managed to slow down in time. No accidents that I know of, however one guy filled his tank up with Diesel fuel in Binghamton. He was out for the rest of it. I called it a day early, where Rt. 9 meets I-70 in Ohio. My tires looked worse than I thought (the hot pavement wasn't helping any) and dispite the fact that I kept drinking water, I didn't feel all that good. My focus wasn't where it should have been. I almost missed a few turns, and once wound up in the other lane of traffic. This was about 2 pm. I figured part of it was the heat, and part was the bad nights sleep I got the night before. Decided at that point it would be better to take I-70 back to Hagerstown rather than taking a chance. But, damn, Rt. 50 gets to be a blast in WV!! I've only taken it to Ocean City before, nothing fun there. And Ohio Rt. 9... Oh my gosh!!! Todd Peer did a good job putting on twisty roads! In fact some people commented that they were starting to get a little tired of the twisties... evil! :-) Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Route Planner, Mason-Dixon 20-20 http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 12 12:13:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5CGDRk02368 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.193.4.9] by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:12:44 -0700 Received: from RESVA-MS6 ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg1.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:12:44 0000 (GMT) Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:12:26 -0400 Message-Id: <39450C13.BC06F4FC@trw.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:13:08 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Summit Point Race Results - 10,11 June 2000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The various local racers of the DC-Cycles list had an excellent weekend of racing at Summit Point. The highlights included the blistering heat, a new Summit Point track record (Joe Prussiano in the low 1:16s), and, of particular interest to the list, Brian Roach's dominance of the lightweight classes on Saturday and Sunday. Brian rode to convincing victory in the Lightweight Solo 18, the D-Superbike, and Formula 2 races. Danny Thompson grabbed two third places (Lightweight Twins, D-Superbike) in his second (?!!) weekend of racing on a mostly stock SV650. He is rapidly becoming a force to reckoned with. Brad Faas and Leonard Roy continued their Lightweight battle, with Leonard getting the upper hand this time around. Both riders are progressing rapidly in the early races of their respective careers. Fred was out on Saturday for the vintage races and did quite well. (Sorry, Fred, but I didn't ever get positions.) Sean Jordan managed to get his ZX-7 down to 1:35s in his final race of the day, very respectable for his second weekend. I managed 2nd in the Lightweight Solo 18, D-Superbike, Formula 2 races, 3rd in the Heavyweight Twins, and 1st in Lightweight Twins. Hugh Caldwell performed valuable service for the racers, cornerworking on Saturday and shepherding my sponsors around on Sunday. Hugh, you are the man! Some listers came up on Sunday and said "hi". Please forgive my bad memory for names. Did I mention it was really hot? All in all it was a great weekend. No one crashed, everyone had fun. My thanks go out to all the listers for their support, companionship, and encouragement. I hope to see you all at the next race. Randy Moran WERA Novice #696 http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ Sponsored by: Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.cortidesign.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 12 12:28:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5CGS7k02737 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:27:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200006121227.AA215482782@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: STOLEN MC- 1995 Suzuki Savage X-Mailer: I'll forward this to the list, just in case. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Vance, Robert" Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:46:26 -0400 Sometime Saturday night, someone stole Elaine's 1995 Suzuki Savage: the Dragonfly. The rear plates were personalized with "MCMOM", it had two leather saddlebags and a clear windshield/screen (lower left bracket was recently epoxied - there are two epoxy smears on the windshield below where it was glued). It is painted Suzuki black with purple metalflake in the paint that is only visible in strong sunlight and has a life-size Dragonfly painted on the top of the tank and small, crossed feathers on the front fender. there is also a small rust spot on the top of the front fender - which is the abrasion mark left by the fork-mounted tool kit. The VIN # is JS1NP4A852100381. The theft has been reported to the Prince Georges County Police and to our Insurance company; should you happen to see it, please contact the nearest Police Officer and tell them where, when, and under what circumstances it was located and also what the individual riding it looked like. We'd like to recover it as it was a Mother's Day gift from Alexander, to his Mom. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 12 14:02:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (mail.lcsa.org [204.188.41.222]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5CI2Vk05197 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([192.168.0.23]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA06575 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:14:14 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Summit Point Race Results - 10,11 June 2000 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:03:20 -0400 Message-ID: <002c01bfd498$7e0a8780$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <39450C13.BC06F4FC@trw.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal I have lots of photos Sunday afternoon (including the Airshow). Hope to have them posted tonight at: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=107565 (I know, PhotoPoint is down right now, but the link should work later). > -----Original Message----- > From: Randy Moran [mailto:Randy.Moran@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 12:13 PM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Summit Point Race Results - 10,11 June 2000 > > > The various local racers of the DC-Cycles list had an excellent weekend > of racing at Summit Point. The highlights included the blistering heat, > a new Summit Point track record (Joe Prussiano in the low 1:16s), and, > of particular interest to the list, Brian Roach's dominance of the > lightweight classes on Saturday and Sunday. > > Brian rode to convincing victory in the Lightweight Solo 18, the > D-Superbike, and Formula 2 races. > > Danny Thompson grabbed two third places (Lightweight Twins, D-Superbike) > in his second (?!!) weekend of racing on a mostly stock SV650. He is > rapidly becoming a force to reckoned with. > > Brad Faas and Leonard Roy continued their Lightweight battle, with > Leonard getting the upper hand this time around. Both riders are > progressing rapidly in the early races of their respective careers. > > Fred was out on Saturday for the vintage races and did quite well. > (Sorry, Fred, but I didn't ever get positions.) > > Sean Jordan managed to get his ZX-7 down to 1:35s in his final race of > the day, very respectable for his second weekend. > > I managed 2nd in the Lightweight Solo 18, D-Superbike, Formula 2 races, > 3rd in the Heavyweight Twins, and 1st in Lightweight Twins. > > Hugh Caldwell performed valuable service for the racers, cornerworking > on Saturday and shepherding my sponsors around on Sunday. Hugh, you are > the man! > > Some listers came up on Sunday and said "hi". Please forgive my bad > memory for names. Did I mention it was really hot? > > All in all it was a great weekend. No one crashed, everyone had fun. My > thanks go out to all the listers for their support, companionship, and > encouragement. I hope to see you all at the next race. > > Randy Moran > WERA Novice #696 > http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ > > Sponsored by: > Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA > http://www.speed-werks.com > http://www.cortidesign.com > > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 12 14:42:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5CIgok05832 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:43:57 -0700 Message-ID: <3945594E.EA546EE2@flashmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:42:38 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: MD2020 Results- short version References: <20000612164312.14544.qmail@web705.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some resuls of the MD2020. DC Cycles regulars Leon, Todd, Craig, Tracy, and I were among the finishers. :) Horkster Rick Miller wrote: > > Collective, Listers, > Well, the inaugural Mason Dixon 20-20 is in the books. > Given the mere 6 week lead time, the Rally came off > with very few glitches. > > We gave it a good try for the World Record, twenty > starters, including one 2-up, a bunch of veterans and > six IBA rookies. If everyone finished, that would be > enough to hold it until the upcoming Roadrunner 1000 > and the fall's Gerlachfest. > > 1057 miles: 388 of it twisties, 600 super slab, the > rest mixed. By 11am the ambient temp is in the 90's > with comparable humidity- it was like late August out > there. Over 10 gallons of bottled water were consumed > by ralliers plus an unestimatable number of gallons > purchased on the road- I was up to three gallons > consumed when I stopped counting. > > The forgotten gem- US50 from Winchester, VA to > Bridgeport, WV. Most of us Easterners only think of > US 50 as that multi lane/ limited access highway as > the road to get from DC to OC. If you have the > chance, ride this stretch of US 50, and as you drop > first off Backbone and then Cheat Mountains, remember > that the Horkster coasted the whole way -- with the > ignition off. > > The new gems- OH 26 and OH 9. These are "must adds" > to anyone's serious twisties list. > > Nearly 17.5 hours later, the first riders returned; > the last SS1k pulled in with 13 minutes to spare: 17 > Saddlesore finishers, which should be the US record, > and definitely the East Coast record- over $200 will > be donated to the Fran Crane Memorial Fund. Three > contributions to the "Bridgeport Policemen's > Retirement Fund" were also made. > There were three DNF's, one each to a mechanical > (tire), a fuel error (diesel), and an oversleep > (forgot the Meanie). Five of the six rookies finished > with time to spare; a very good ratio considering > conditions. > > Leon "Nothing runs like a Deere" and I bagged the > Nebraska IBET (Thanks Bill). > > More details should appear on the Rally Web page in > the next few days. > > My Thanks to everyone who helped in any way shape and > form- the Rally couldn't have been pulled off with out > you. > > Rick, MD2020 webbastard > > ===== > "The night's busted open and these two lanes can take us an-ny-where." the Boss > > Join the Mason Dixon 2020, a group Saddlesore Challenge- June 9-11. http://MD-20-20.tripod.com > > "Benny" '90 ZG; "COG 3k"; Balmer, Murland. www.bbdcon.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! > http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 12 15:17:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5CJH1k06431 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 5.66.484f7ee (3968); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:16:37 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <66.484f7ee.26769114@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:16:36 EDT Subject: Re: Summit Point Race Results - 10,11 June 2000 To: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 Randy, being I think the only modest roadracer I know, fails to mention here that on Sat he turned the Solo18 into a 17 lap sprint race (it was red-flagged a lap and a half short) with us trading the lead something like 10 times, and even having a close encounter in the exit of turn 5 where our wheels got aquainted with each other. I think just about every spectator at the track came by and thanked the both of us for a great show. If I hadn't had the pole position for both races on Sun, I'm sure it would have been a replay in both races. - Brian In a message dated 6/12/00 12:15:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Randy.Moran@XXXXXX writes: > of particular interest to the list, Brian Roach's dominance of the > lightweight classes on Saturday and Sunday. > > Brian rode to convincing victory in the Lightweight Solo 18, the > D-Superbike, and Formula 2 races. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 12 15:48:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5CJmMk06915 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:48:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.6f.621423e (4223) for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:47:48 -0400 (EDT) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6f.621423e.26769863@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:47:47 EDT Subject: Fwd: Bill Mayer custom saddle FS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_6f.621423e.26769863_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 --part1_6f.621423e.26769863_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_6f.621423e.26769863_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Full-name: McKeithen Message-ID: <90.5912558.2676982d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:46:53 EDT Subject: Bill Mayer custom saddle FS To: cb-750@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Since I sold my NH without it, I have available acustom saddle by Bill Mayer. He is the designer of the original Day Long Saddle. It was made for me, so you need to be very near the same size before you consider it. I am 5'10" , 180 lbs., with a 30 1/2 in. inseam. It is designed to sit closer to the bars than the stock seat. I only used it for one month before I hit Bambi and found very comfortable. Much better than the Corbin and way better than stock. Fits 90's NH. $220 includes shipping in the lower 48. Bob --part1_6f.621423e.26769863_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 12 16:23:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5CKN0k07522 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0FW200D015WMI9@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:21:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0FW2005OG5WMMM@XXXXXX>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:21:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) id <0FW2002015WM2A@XXXXXX>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:21:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0FW2002015WL1Y@XXXXXX>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:21:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localHost ([166.32.192.143]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0FW20020B5WA01@XXXXXX>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:21:46 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Keiser Subject: DC Area VFR w/ a Corbin? To: DC Cycles , VF VFR Reply , VFR One List Reply Message-id: <0FW20020C5WA01@dgismtp02.wcomnet.com> X-Mailer: MailRoom for Internet v3.1a (www.SierraSol.com) Does anyone in the Washington, DC area have a Corbin on their VFR800 that I can take a look at sometime before ordering one? TIA Rob '98 VFR800 Red From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 12 17:14:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5CLE6k08311 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 131bWo-0005Ik-00; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:13:50 -0700 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:13:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: Robert Keiser cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Area VFR w/ a Corbin? In-Reply-To: <0FW20020C5WA01@dgismtp02.wcomnet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Not only do I have a Corbin on my VFR800 but I also have a Corbin Smuggler saddle that is brand new which I would like to sell. On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Robert Keiser wrote: > Does anyone in the Washington, DC area have a Corbin on their VFR800 > that I can take a look at sometime before ordering one? > > TIA > > Rob > '98 VFR800 Red > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ > for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 12 17:37:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web312.mail.yahoo.com (web312.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5CLb6k08667 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000612213658.693.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web312.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:36:58 PDT Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:36:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Fwd: TSR Injury Fund Benefit Dinner...FINAL NOTICE! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Since I haven't seen anything posted on this on DCC, I thought I would forward it. It's for a very good cause and all about motorcycling. Since I might be in town wednesday for a meeting anyway (and I've already bought a ticket) I may be in town to go... Collin --- Tight Squeeze Racing wrote: > This is the final notice before Tight Squeeze Racing's 1st Annual > Benefit Dinner! The hall is booked, the caterer's are set, and the > prizes are in the safe. All we need is you! > > The dinner is going to be held Friday, June 16th, 6:30 - 10:30pm at: > KENA Shriner Annex Hall > 9001 Arlington Blvd > Fairfax, VA 22031 > > Instructions are as follows: > ----------------------------- > Interstate 495 in VA to... > Route 50 West... > Proceed 5 Stop Lights to Barkley Drive... > Turn Left on Barkley Drive... > Turn Immediately to the Right to get on frontal access road... > Follow road past main building(KENA Shriner's) to smaller building in > rear. > > Tickets are available at the door. Admittance is $50 per person, and > each ticket is an entry for the cash prizes. We are giving away > $7500 > in cash prizes, and there will be door prizes from > -Fast Lane Cycles > -Crossroads Cycle > -Loudoun Motorsports > -Hi-Side Racing > -Team Valvoline EMGO Suzuki > -Ram Racewares > > All of this is done in the name of raising contributions for helping > seriously injured motorcycle road racers. If this sport or our cause > interests you, please consider attending or mailing a contribution > to: > > TSR Injury Fund > 21923 Thompson Square > Sterling, VA 20166-3031 > > Thank you, > > Tight Squeeze Racing > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! > http://photos.yahoo.com ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 12 18:08:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5CM8Ck09068 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 5.7c.6b28814 (4189); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:07:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <7c.6b28814.2676b936@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:07:50 EDT Subject: Re: Summit Point Race Results - 10,11 June 2000 To: Randy.Moran@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 In a message dated 6/12/00 12:15:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Randy.Moran@XXXXXX writes: << Fred was out on Saturday for the vintage races and did quite well. (Sorry, Fred, but I didn't ever get positions.) >> Neither have I, with 2 waves and 2 classes in each of my races I'll have to wait till they post the results on the WERA site. All I know is that I wasn't first or last. My goal in my first race (Formula-500) was not be one of the guys that loses to Tina Sudnick, she was gridded 1st and I was gridded 6th (third row) in the first wave, finally caught her on the third or maybe fourth lap and passed her by late braking into turn one. She's one quick girl though, had fun following her for the first three laps (her riding guys, not what was in my line of sight). She probably embarasses lots of guys on fast street rides, not to mention on the track. My goal in my second race (V-3 class) was not to be last. (I run a 350 in a class with 750 cc bikes). With some DNFs and two passes (a 500 Suzuki 2-stroke and some big 750 4-stroke) I achieved my goal. I was gridded dead last in the second wave I don't know if I beat some of the first wave bikes. They were all 750s in the first wave so probably not. They didn't post the results of this race (race 8) so I have no clue where I finished. Doesn't matter, I run this class for practice only. I really cooked the right side of my rear tire, it has bubbles and chunks on it. Must be the last few high speed right handers at Summit. Any of you cook your tires in the heat. These tires have less than 4 races on them (one was only a 4 lapper in the rain), they should last for 8 races or more with such a light bike. Oh well, so much for the inexpensive sport of Vintage racing. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 12 18:35:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5CMZVk09480 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 5.32.648e9f9 (3979); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:35:00 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <32.648e9f9.2676bf93@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:34:59 EDT Subject: Re: Summit Point Race Results - 10,11 June 2000 To: Boiade@XXXXXX, Randy.Moran@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 The new surface is something else, isn't it? My rear tire (Bridgestone soft compound slick) was going away at the end of the Solo 18 against Randy... the alst two laps I was spinning it up out of T2, T5, and T6. It only had one weekend on it (Indy). For Sunday I opted for Dunlop *medium* compound slicks, and they worked like a charm... nice and sticky, balling up at the edges. The new surface is *much* more abrasive than the old, especially in the heat. - Roach In a message dated 6/12/00 6:09:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Boiade@XXXXXX writes: > I really cooked the right side of my rear tire, it has bubbles and chunks on > it. Must be the last few high speed right handers at Summit. Any of you > cook your tires in the heat. These tires have less than 4 races on them ( > one was only a 4 lapper in the rain), they should last for 8 races or more with > such a light bike. Oh well, so much for the inexpensive sport of Vintage > racing. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 12 18:43:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e22.nc.us.ibm.com (e22.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5CMhlk09576 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:43:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e22.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA36586; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:22:39 -0500 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v4.9) with SMTP id SAA25656; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:43:31 -0400 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852568FC.007CD385 ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:43:26 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: fehrle@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852568FC.00533432.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:08:45 -0400 Subject: UJM for cheap Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline A friend of mine has an early 80's GS750 for sale. Needs work. If interested, please contact Red at fehrle@XXXXXX Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet '58/'65 Triton project http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ Sterling From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 12 18:46:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r14.mx.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5CMkPk09644 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 5.9c.49214c8 (4248); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:45:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <9c.49214c8.2676c221@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:45:53 EDT Subject: Re: Summit Point Race Results - 10,11 June 2000 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, Randy.Moran@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 In a message dated 6/12/00 6:34:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BryanRoach writes: << The new surface is *much* more abrasive than the old, especially in the heat. >> I guess that's it from the condition of my rear tire. By the way say hi to Gilberto or Gibi as he likes to be called in Italian. It was great meeting him. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 12 19:57:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5CNvkk10910 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.be.517cb2f (15905) for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:57:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:57:29 EDT Subject: First Race Weekend!!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown My first race weekend was complete success in all respects. My two main goals for the season were realized. (To turn at least a 1:36, and not to crash). Saturday was a bit tense as the clutch on the ZX stopped working for no apparent reason. With MANY thanks to Randy Moran and especially Steve from Speedwerks, we managed to dissasemble and reassemble the entire clutch system. I was allowed to tech several hours late, and got to run my Novice Heavyweight Solo 18 that night. (Which ended up being a Solo 10 due to time constraints.) I started out running mid 45's, and every lap thereafter was faster, until I made a 1:42 on the last lap. The next day was considerably better. On Sunday I ran B Production, Vintage 6, and B Superbike. B production I was gridded and finished last. I kept the guys ahead of me in site, though, and feel I might have been able to pass a few given a late model 750. Vintage 6 was lots of fun. Vintage 6 was combined with Heavyweight twins, and was a two wave! start. Managed to pass an FZR400, and a Yamaha 250 of some sort, and also an SV650 that was running the Twins race. I was gridded in row 21, and Brad Faas on his FZR400 was gridded up on 18. I managed to blow past him on the start, but he had a much better drive than me in 9, and blew past me, and left me sitting there saying "SH!T SH!T SH!T I DID NOT JUST GET PASSED BY THAT 400!!!" I spent the next 3 laps reeling him in, and by lap 4, ( the last lap; the race was shortened from 6 to 4 laps), I was hard on his ass in turn 1. I kept praying for him to make a mistake, but he was riding quickly and smoothly, and I never could pass him. Given the 2 laps that were cut off, I think things could have been different..... :) Superbike was another combined race, this time comprised of experts in front, novices in back. I thought it was a 2 wave start, but when everyone around me jumped on the first flag, I came to the conclusion I was wrong. Second to last on this one, since somebody D! NF'd, but I did have the whole track to my self for that race. Had a lot of fun playing with different lines and whatnot. I was also finally able to enter 10 without tapping the brakes first. Save the horrendously painful and goofy wife-beater sun burn I recieved, the whole weekend was a total blast. Once again, many thanks to Randy Moran, Brian Roach, Hugh Caldwell, and Speedwerks for making this an excellent introduction to road-racing. If I'm lucky, I'll see everybody at Carolina! Sean Jordan WERA Novice #230 Sponsors: Fast Lane Cycles; Chantilly, Va Phoenix Comics & Toys; Herndon, Va From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 12 20:05:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5D051k11072 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling2-108.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with ESMTP id <0FW200L24G5EAV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:04:04 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Subject: Re: Summit Point Race Results - 10,11 June 2000 To: DC Cycles Reply-to: jmoran@XXXXXX Message-id: <39457A73.2D6C7A9E@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en,pdf References: <39450C13.BC06F4FC@trw.com> Geez, I forgot Jeff Ozman. He's usually so quiet that you don't notice him until he goes by you. Jeff had a productive, crash free weekend in the middleweight classes, with one smart early retirement on Saturday when the ridiculous heat caught up with him. There were quite a few racers out there who should have followed Jeff's example, but didn't and then crashed. Kudos to Jeff for knowing when to call it a day. Randy Moran WERA Novice #696 http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ Sponsored by: Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.cortidesign.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 12 21:54:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5D1sZk12947 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from winnie (user-2ivel89.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.85.9]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA27656 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004a01bfd4d6$75a1efa0$0955f7a5@winnie> From: "Ryan Matteson" To: Subject: Looking for 99 or 2000 GSXR Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:26:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I am looking to buy a '99 or '00 GSXR. If anyone on the list has one forsale or knows someone trying to sell one let me know. Ryan From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 12 22:02:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5D22tk13091 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22602 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:02:45 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000612220208.00bb63c0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:02:40 -0400 To: From: Mike T Subject: Re: Looking for 99 or 2000 GSXR In-Reply-To: <004a01bfd4d6$75a1efa0$0955f7a5@winnie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:26 PM 6/12/2000 , Ryan Matteson wrote: >I am looking to buy a '99 or '00 GSXR. If anyone on the list has one >forsale or >knows someone trying to sell one let me know. What happened to the YZF? : I am debating between a Micron or Akropolvic (SP?) system for my 2000 YZF 600R. I have read rave reviews on the two systems but have never actually seen performance graphs on either or. I am looking to get a bit more torque out of the bike so I can accelerate a bit faster but am not really sure what I can tweak to do this. I am also curious how re-gearing works? I would like to be able to add a bit more time in between shifting gears as the factory gear settings on the bike aren't to my liking. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 12 22:05:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5D25Tk13160 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:05:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA25601 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA22030 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf (surf15-40.wch.adelphia.net [216.174.23.40]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id WAA01446 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:05:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Summit Point Photos from 6/11/00 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:05:22 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Here are some photos from this weekend. Anyone here? From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 12 22:07:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5D27Jk13170 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA26004 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA22061 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf (surf15-40.wch.adelphia.net [216.174.23.40]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id WAA19879 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:07:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Summit Point Photos - maybe this time! Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:07:11 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal To fast on the draw. Here are the photos: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=6740603 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=6740609 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=6750835 Gary From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 12 22:12:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web314.mail.yahoo.com (web314.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5D2Cqk13238 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000613021243.8251.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web314.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:12:43 PDT Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:12:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Summit Point Race Results - 10,11 June 2000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii LOL Fred... Tina is a pretty nice lady.. glad to hear she's gotten even faster this year...and well... yeah, I wouldn't mind following her on the track either hehehe something about those red heads... As for tires, sounds like you may have been a bit low on pressure.. Brian's monster or even the SV's I can see eating the tires a bit, but that RD should not be ripping up tires like that even on an abrasive track... CT (ok ok.. I know I'm a pig... I'll behave...) Fred wrote: My goal in my first race (Formula-500) was not be one of the guys that loses to Tina Sudnick, "and" he's one quick girl though, had fun following her for the first three laps (her riding guys, not what was in my line of sight). She probably embarasses lots of guys on fast street rides, not to mention on the track. ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 12 22:21:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5D2Llk13382 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:21:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id r.14.4d2f876 (4188); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:20:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <14.4d2f876.2676f478@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:20:40 EDT Subject: Re: Summit Point Race Results - 10,11 June 2000 To: gixer_racer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 In a message dated 6/12/00 10:14:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gixer_racer@XXXXXX writes: << LOL Fred... , I wouldn't mind following her on the track either hehehe something about those red heads...>> Yup! <> I was running 36/32 until a few RD experts told me I was crazy. I went to 31/28 for these races as they suggested 28/26. maybe I'll go back up to my old pressures. Thanks, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 12 22:26:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web312.mail.yahoo.com (web312.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5D2QJk13396 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000613022609.18507.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web312.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:26:09 PDT Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:26:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Summit Point Race Results - 10,11 June 2000 To: Boiade@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Actually, too high a pressure can be bad too... and come to think of it, you mentioned blistering.. that's usually a too high sign.. whereas really balling up (rows of it) is usually a low pressure sign... such a fine line.. and yep.. those sound pretty high for summit... I think the highest I ever ran there was 30 psi.. usually ran 29 rear 28 front ... or within a half pound of that either way... CT --- Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > I was running 36/32 until a few RD experts told me I was crazy. I > went to > 31/28 for these races as they suggested 28/26. maybe I'll go back up > to my > old pressures. ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 12 23:21:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5D3Kxk14328 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va21-30.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.94]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA07263; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3945D33F.1FB44AEF@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:22:55 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kirt S." CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 - THANX! References: <39447B28.48ECCC8@ix.netcom.com> <002501bfd422$ec0fd3a0$c904fea9@wskirt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirt, Understand the dilemma you faced about coming to Bike Night 2 last night. You are now 0-fer for the weekend -- first you missed the Saturday ride and then you missed Bike Night 2! %^) FYI, we are looking for a place for the next Bike Night that will resolve your dilemma. Cheers, Chuck, aka Skittles "Kirt S." wrote: > > I was gonna show up, but then I realized that you have to be 21. While > that's not an issue for my 23 year old butt, it is for my girlfriend who is > a mere 19. ::sigh:: We were planning on showing up together. She was > disapointed, so I did the good boyfriend thing and hung out with her. Any > chance we might be able to get her in at the next Bike Night? Neither of us > drink at all, so we won't be sneaking beers or anything. > > Glad to hear it went over so well. Wish I could've been there. > > Kirt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles V. Pena" > To: "DC Cycles" > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 1:54 AM > Subject: Bike Night 2 - THANX! > > > Just a note to say "Thanx!" to all those who were able to make it to > > Bike Night 2. Mark and I have a lot of fun organizing it, but what > > makes it so great is all the people who attend. I had a good time and > > hope y'all did too. I got to meet a lot of people, but -- unfortunately > > -- not everyone. Lots of different kinds of motorcycles this time out. > > Still need to get more people to the next one to break the magic 100 > > mark! We'll keep you posted about the next one. Probably in July. > > Day, time, and location TBD. > > > > Cheers, > > Skittles, aka Chuck > > > > -- > > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 12 23:40:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r20.mx.aol.com (imo-r20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5D3e3k14557 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:40:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id o.6f.628b212 (3975); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:39:24 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6f.628b212.267706ec@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:39:24 EDT Subject: Re: Looking for 99 or 2000 GSXR To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 6/12/00 10:04:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > I am looking to get a bit > more torque out of the bike so I can accelerate a bit faster but am not > really sure what I can tweak to do this. Buy a rear sprocket with 2 more teeth than the one you have now. About $40, and gobs-o-acceleration. Reduces your top-end by about 15mph, but you don't generally go 150mph on the street (I hope). - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 13 04:53:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5D8rWk19395 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 04:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA23543 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 04:53:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA29944 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 04:53:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling-130.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with ESMTP id <0FW3006IO4N7GY@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 04:52:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 04:53:27 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Subject: Re: Summit Point Photos - maybe this time! To: Gary Foreman Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Reply-to: jmoran@XXXXXX Message-id: <3945F675.179326ED@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en,pdf References: Hi Gary, Nice pictures! I'm in 611-71, being hounded by Jason DePinto. You've got a nice one of lister and newbie racer Sean Jordan as well, 611-63. Thanks for posting them. Randy Moran WERA Novice #696 http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ Sponsored by: Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.cortidesign.com Gary Foreman wrote: > To fast on the draw. Here are the photos: > > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=6740603 > > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=6740609 > > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=6750835 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 13 06:18:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r13.mx.aol.com (imo-r13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5DAITk20456 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:18:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id r.8e.6519887 (7401); Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:18:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8e.6519887.2677646a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:18:18 EDT Subject: Re: Summit Point Race Results - 10,11 June 2000 To: gixer_racer@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 In a message dated 6/12/00 10:26:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gixer_racer@XXXXXX writes: << I think the highest I ever ran there was 30 psi.. usually ran 29 rear 28 front ... or within a half pound of that either way... >> Well I was running at 31/28 when they cooked. Last year I was at the higher pressure 36/32 on a very hot day in June (when the RD blew up) and no tire cooking. The bike felt good at 31/28, as I said it was only upon inspection after I got home that I noticed anything, the bike handled fine during the raciing. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 13 07:24:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3205.mail.yahoo.com (web3205.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.202]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5DBNwk21277 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000613112351.21560.qmail@web3205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.188.47.112] by web3205.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 04:23:51 PDT Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 04:23:51 -0700 (PDT) From: JEM Racing Subject: Racing in the heat To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have never had heat related issues before at the track or anywhere else, but I think I had my first taste of either dehydration, exhaustion, or somethin'. After a Loooong, hot day at Carolina Motorsports park I headed out for my 4th and last race of the day, the money race, LW SS. Being that I ride with CCS, third call was given with racers down and off the track, so they let us bake on the pre grid for 7-8 minutes while they collected the bikes. The race was going swimmingly, until about the third lap when I found I could no longer remember which lever was brakes, and which was clutch. I could also not remember the technique used to enter a corner ( do I pull in the clutch and use the brake, or leave the clutch out?) I am not being facetious (sp?) here and trying to say I f'd up a few corners. I quite literally could not remember how to operate the bike, and was faking my way through 2-3 corners at a time trying to clear my head. It would come back, and then I would zone out a again. Needless to say I was losing ground fast and was passed on the last lap in a spot that had been my strongest zone all weekend. I should have pulled in,but the race was so short, and money was on the line that I did not, but that was truly a scary position. BTW, I chose wrong on one corner, and simply pulled in the clutch without touching the brake. Land of confusion. >There were quite > a few racers out there > who should have followed Jeff's example, but didn't > and then crashed. Kudos > to Jeff for knowing when to call it a day. > > Randy Moran > WERA Novice #696 > http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ ===== Jonathan Broga JEM Racing CCS #502 Sponsored By: http://www.centurypool.com http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.elfmoto.com http://www.loudounmotorsports.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 13 07:26:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5DBQfk21290 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bellatlantic.net (client-151-200-119-35.bellatlantic.net [151.200.119.35]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA18740 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <394619F1.50174147@bellatlantic.net> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:24:34 -0400 From: Brian and Christa LaSalle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Todd Peer please contact me off list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry for the wasted band width everybody Todd : I have a potential buyer for your Nighthawk is you still have it. Brian 96 Yellow Nighthawk 82 XT 250 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 13 07:50:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5DBoPk21689 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-155.patriot.net [209.249.180.155]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5DBoKw27624; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:50:20 -0400 Message-ID: <39461E8B.93973CB4@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:44:11 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Charles V. Pena" CC: "Kirt S." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night 2 - THANX! References: <39447B28.48ECCC8@ix.netcom.com> <002501bfd422$ec0fd3a0$c904fea9@wskirt> <3945D33F.1FB44AEF@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good plan. I can empathize with Kirt - the first year I taught school the faculty went out en masse after the school's prom (we was chaperones - yeah). The waitress works her way down the table nad wants to see my ID `cause I looked rather young, like maybe 18. I pass, but my wife didn't. She was 19 and we got booted. Needless to say I suffered many cradle robber jokes from the teachers the following week. Even worse the students found out - very small town, no secrets. Nothing like a cute senior doing the jiggle-wiggle walk into my room and giving me a big ol's smile and saying "Like I'm almost as old as your wife, soo..." *wink wink* GET AWAY! Me holding up chair lion tamer style. So an *open* establishment would get my vote. One can pilot a bike at age 16, no need to exclude the young from various ativities by default. Bill Charles V. Pena wrote: > Kirt, > > Understand the dilemma you faced about coming to Bike Night 2 last > night. You are now 0-fer for the weekend -- first you missed the > Saturday ride and then you missed Bike Night 2! %^) FYI, we are looking > for a place for the next Bike Night that will resolve your dilemma. > > Cheers, > Chuck, aka Skittles > > "Kirt S." wrote: > > > > I was gonna show up, but then I realized that you have to be 21. While > > that's not an issue for my 23 year old butt, it is for my girlfriend who is > > a mere 19. ::sigh:: We were planning on showing up together. She was > > disapointed, so I did the good boyfriend thing and hung out with her. Any > > chance we might be able to get her in at the next Bike Night? Neither of us > > drink at all, so we won't be sneaking beers or anything. > > > > Glad to hear it went over so well. Wish I could've been there. > > > > Kirt > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Charles V. Pena" > > To: "DC Cycles" > > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 1:54 AM > > Subject: Bike Night 2 - THANX! > > > > > Just a note to say "Thanx!" to all those who were able to make it to > > > Bike Night 2. Mark and I have a lot of fun organizing it, but what > > > makes it so great is all the people who attend. I had a good time and > > > hope y'all did too. I got to meet a lot of people, but -- unfortunately > > > -- not everyone. Lots of different kinds of motorcycles this time out. > > > Still need to get more people to the next one to break the magic 100 > > > mark! We'll keep you posted about the next one. Probably in July. > > > Day, time, and location TBD. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Skittles, aka Chuck > > > > > > -- > > > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > > > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 13 08:53:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5DCrPk22526 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:53:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 131qBw-0001on-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:53:16 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:53:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: NVFRC Interesting point o' view (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Pretty funny. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Here's an interesting thought I found: "Even the world's most influential Hell's Angel isn't really free to do as he pleases. If he were, Barger would ride a Japanese motorcycle, or maybe a BMW. He bitches about Harley-Davidsons: Overpriced. Unreliable. Poor performance. Jesse Ventura sold his after Barger was quoted saying it was time to buy a Honda. "We really missed the boat not switching over to the Japanese models when they began building bigger bikes," he writes. "I'll usually say, 'Fuck Harley-Davidson.' Someday, we'll be smart enough to walk away." For the complete article go to: http://www.riverfronttimes.com/issues/2000-05-31/news3.html I can see it now, a pack o' scooter trash on VFRs', terrorizing small towns, hasslin' da man, dealin' dope...schweet! Eugene ( dat's right, I'm bad, don't chew mess wit' da' Scarecrow !!! ) 00800VFR ( excuse him, I think he's been sniffing the WD-40 again ) 84500VF ( leave me outta dis' ) ------------------------------------------------------------------ The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 13 09:49:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r14.mx.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5DDn9k23534 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id l.6c.2c6032 (16785); Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:48:24 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6c.2c6032.267795a8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:48:24 EDT Subject: Re: NVFRC Interesting point o' view (fwd) To: twg@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 6/13/00 8:56:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, twg@XXXXXX writes: > I can see it now, a pack o' scooter trash on VFRs', terrorizing small > towns, hasslin' da man, dealin' dope...schweet! Speaking of which... has anyone seen the new Mercedes comercial where the pack of mercedes sedans terrorizes the biker and his girlfriend on a desert road? I laughed my ass off the first time I saw it. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 13 10:54:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f145.hotmail.com [216.32.181.145]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5DEsCk25103 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 68466 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jun 2000 14:54:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20000613145401.68465.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 151.140.7.176 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:54:01 PDT X-Originating-IP: [151.140.7.176] From: "No Body" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Whats involved in getting a MC licence in Virgina? Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:54:01 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I am going to take my riding test on Friday at the DMV in Sherlington, I have a learners right now. Since MSF courses are sold out for months I dont know what riding skills the DMV is going to test. I am sure lots of your have gone through this test, so I was hoping to get some pointers on what I should do to pass etc. Thanks for the info in advance. Regards ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 13 11:15:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5DFFsk25507 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va18-25.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.89]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01033 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39467B7A.5146AB6B@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:20:42 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Input needed for next Bike Night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Y'all.. Mark and I would appreciated your input for the next Bike Night (probably in July). 1. Kirt has already suggested that we try to find a place that doesn't have a minimum 21 age and we are working on that. 2. If not CarPool (i.e., Arlington, VA) is there any particular location(s) that are convenient or inconvenient? Or does location not matter so much? FYI, Grevey's in Falls Church (Merrifield, bascially where Route 50 and the Beltway meet) has been mentioned to us as one place to consider (we have a potential "in" with the owner and they have a huge parking lot). 3. What do y'all think of a weeknight? Tuesday night is "Two Wheel Tuesday" on Speedvision and perhaps we could make Bike Night more relevant by incorporating the two? Please let either me or Mark know what you think of the above (as well as any other comments and/or inpput). Thanx! Chuck, aka Skittles From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 13 11:19:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from zaphod.smartbrief.com (IDENT:qmailr@[216.200.101.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5DFJJk25529 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11501 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2000 15:13:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smartbrief.com) (216.200.101.98) by 192.168.1.1 with SMTP; 13 Jun 2000 15:13:48 -0000 Message-ID: <394651AB.C7DDE40A@smartbrief.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:22:19 -0400 From: Zachariah Mully Organization: SmartBrief.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Motorcycle plates in DC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Listers- Just got my newly purchased KLR tagged and titled here in DC and I have a question for all you out there registered in DC... My plate is "MC047" and I saw the stack of MC plates when I got mine and they were numbered MC04X, 5x and so on... So am I actually motorcycle #47 in DC, or motorcycle #47 to register this year? If I am #47 in DC that would help explain why it took me so damn long to get it tagged and titled ;) Then again it is DC. On another note, any dual-sporters out there looking to ride this weekend? I would love to go riding with someone(s) who know the area and can show me some varied road surfaces. If not, any chance of another DC-Cycles group ride this weekend? Thanks, Zack 1991 KLR650 yet to be named SE DC From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 13 11:32:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5DFWsk25751 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:32:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA3438635 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39465417.252264A1@radix.net> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:32:40 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Motorcycle plates in DC References: <394651AB.C7DDE40A@smartbrief.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zachariah Mully wrote: > Listers- > Just got my newly purchased KLR tagged and titled here in DC and I have > a question for all you out there registered in DC... My plate is "MC047"... So, will the new slogan, 'Taxation Without Representation' fit on the MC plates??? one of the radio stations I've been listening to has been posing alternate slogans. So far, I'm partial to these suggestions for DC's slogan on their license plates... "Please Don't Shoot Me!" "The B!tch Set Me Up" "The Pothole City" "No Parking Anywhere" or, as an alternate along the same theme as Hizzoner suggests... "Adjudication Without Due Process"... Dave Yates '90 ZX 11 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 13 11:50:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r15.mx.aol.com (imo-r15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5DFook26066 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.3f.60ac0b8 (7332) for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:50:38 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3f.60ac0b8.2677b24d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:50:37 EDT Subject: Re: Whats involved in getting a MC licence in Virgina? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 I took a friend to the McLean DMV a few years ago so he could get his "M" endorsement. The skills test consisted of a few turns in the parking lot, going out to the main road, making a left turn onto a side road, U-turn and return to DMV - all within sight of the examiner (standing in the parking lot). I got the impression that as long as he didn't hit something or fall off that he'd pass (which he did). As long as you're reasonably competent and pay attention to details (merging, turning with signals, etc.) you won't have a problem. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 13 11:56:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5DFumk26080 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:56:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MOTO748@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.71.3f5b265 (15882) for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:56:30 -0400 (EDT) From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Message-ID: <71.3f5b265.2677b3ae@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:56:30 EDT Subject: Racing in the heat To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Yeah, you experenced your first heat related injury. Congratulations, I suffered my first in the exact same location last year. It was the same unbelievable kind of heat with no place to hide. When I came in from the solo 16 I yelled for somebody to take my bike because I was going to pass out. Luckily a buddy of mine by the name of Roman was there to grab the 748. Unfortunately he had just been in the same race and was in only slightly better condition than I was. He wound up falling over with the bike trying to hold it up all the way to the ground saying I got it , I got it, I got it until THUD he hit the ground. I fell back/collapsed on a chair and we all just laughed our dizzy heads off. The problem is that once you have a heat injury you will always be more suseptable to them. Even though we went to great lengths to keep hydrated and stay cool I could not avoid another episode during last year's WERA endurance race. After my first session I came in and was in a similar condition. I sat down but didn't take my leathers completly off. After a few short minutes I realized part of my face was numb and I had truly lost the ability to talk or control the muscles of my mouth and face. I felt like my world was closing in on itself. Someone Quickly dumped ice down my crotch and poured ice water on my head wich quickly brought me back. This weekend I recognized the beginning of some of these symptoms and decided to call it a race before disaster struck. Please, be careful and look for warning signs like fatigue, confusion, apathy or any change in mental status. Sorry about the length and content, I hope I didn't bore anyone. Take care, Jeff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 13 11:59:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web901.mail.yahoo.com (web901.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5DFxik26165 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2197 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jun 2000 15:59:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20000613155940.2196.qmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web901.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:59:40 PDT Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:59:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Whats involved in getting a MC licence in Virgina? To: No Body , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think the best plan for taking the riding test at the DMV is to plan on taking it more than once. In Virginia, the test varies based on whether the site has room to give the full test or not. The last time I observed one there (at least it was toward Shirlington from Bailey's Crossroads) they gave a test that is very similar to the MSF course test. Cone weave, sharp turn(s), braking and swerve. I don't remember seeing the faster curve. At the DMV near Potomac Mills Mall, the test is quite different, they set up 5 cones in a semi-circle and have you do a couple of exercises near them. It appears to me that it's easier there than at Shirlington. The most recent of this info is 6 mo. old, so things may have changed. Leon. --- No Body wrote: > I am going to take my riding test on Friday at the > DMV in Sherlington, I > have a learners right now. Since MSF courses are > sold out for months I dont > know what riding skills the DMV is going to test. I > am sure lots of your > have gone through this test, so I was hoping to get > some pointers on what I > should do to pass etc. > > Thanks for the info in advance. > Regards > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 13 13:26:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5DHQGk27502 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va9-08.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.72]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA16466 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39469A04.51E8C932@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:31:00 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Father's Day brunch ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Y'all, I know this Sunday is Father's Day, but... Anyone up for an easly/leisurely ride??? Thought I might do my ~2 hour loop through MD (Montgomery and Frederick Counties) -- Potomac, Poolesville, Barnesville, Sugarloaf, Buckeystown areas. Mostly 2 lane roads. Rolling. Some turns, but not lots and lots. Mostly just "cruising". We could start either in Rosslyn or G'town, whichever is most convenient for everybody. And I thought we'd end by going to Polly's on U Street in DC for Sunday brunch (I'm friends with the owner). Let me know if you're interested as I will need to let Polly's know how many of us to expect/prepare for. Thanx! Chuck, aka Skittles From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 13 14:06:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5DI6Pk28212 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va9-08.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.72]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA31143; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3946A372.68136127@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:11:14 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeannette Zell CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Father's Day brunch ride References: <4.1.20000613134147.00a035b0@intertv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I should've mentioned this in my original post. OOPS! I was thinking about a 10am start. Jeannette Zell wrote: > > What time were you shooting for starting the ride? > > At 01:31 PM 6/13/00 -0700, you wrote: > >Y'all, > > > >I know this Sunday is Father's Day, but... Anyone up for an > >easly/leisurely ride??? Thought I might do my ~2 hour loop through MD > >(Montgomery and Frederick Counties) -- Potomac, Poolesville, > >Barnesville, Sugarloaf, Buckeystown areas. Mostly 2 lane roads. > >Rolling. Some turns, but not lots and lots. Mostly just "cruising". > >We could start either in Rosslyn or G'town, whichever is most convenient > >for everybody. And I thought we'd end by going to Polly's on U Street > >in DC for Sunday brunch (I'm friends with the owner). Let me know if > >you're interested as I will need to let Polly's know how many of us to > >expect/prepare for. Thanx! > > > >Chuck, aka Skittles From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 13 15:13:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5DJD0k29941 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 131w7H-0003bq-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:12:51 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:12:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Latest two wheeled craze Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46310-2000Jun12.html ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 13 15:45:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5DJjfk00770 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:46:10 -0700 Message-ID: <3946B9AE.4724C92D@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:46:06 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Horkster Subject: The next new Yamaha? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=107565&a=786986&p=22414084&Sequence=0 Interesting-looking bike. Damned shame it's a chain-drive. :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 13 16:46:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5DKkMk01825 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:46:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006132046.e5DKkMk01825@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id u.bb.434ec01 (15858); Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web46.aolmail.aol.com (web46.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.7]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v74.10) with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:46:05 -0400 Date: Tue Jun 13 16:46:04 2000 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Father's Day brunch ride To: Cc: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd love to go but, I'm gonna be outta town this weekend. My grandmother is having a triple bypass Thursday and I wanna make sure I'm around if needed. Scooter In a message dated Tue, 13 Jun 2000 1:27:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Chuck Pena writes: << Y'all, I know this Sunday is Father's Day, but... Anyone up for an easly/leisurely ride??? Thought I might do my ~2 hour loop through MD (Montgomery and Frederick Counties) -- Potomac, Poolesville, Barnesville, Sugarloaf, Buckeystown areas. Mostly 2 lane roads. Rolling. Some turns, but not lots and lots. Mostly just "cruising". We could start either in Rosslyn or G'town, whichever is most convenient for everybody. And I thought we'd end by going to Polly's on U Street in DC for Sunday brunch (I'm friends with the owner). Let me know if you're interested as I will need to let Polly's know how many of us to expect/prepare for. Thanx! Chuck, aka Skittles >> From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 13 16:49:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5DKnGk01845 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006132049.e5DKnGk01845@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id l.60.4087d11 (15893); Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:48:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web46.aolmail.aol.com (web46.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.7]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v74.10) with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:48:27 -0400 Date: Tue Jun 13 16:48:27 2000 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Latest two wheeled craze To: Cc: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've seen those before. You can get them at the Sports Authority. Saw a couple kids get busted while taking them for a test ride through the store the other day. Scooter In a message dated Tue, 13 Jun 2000 3:14:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Hugh Caldwell writes: << http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46310-2000Jun12.html ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 13 17:45:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5DLjPk02658 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-136-252.s252.tnt4.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.136.252] helo=wskirt) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 131yUo-00031k-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:45:18 -0400 Message-ID: <00db01bfd580$adf04c80$c904fea9@wskirt> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <39467B7A.5146AB6B@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Input needed for next Bike Night Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:45:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Grevey's is a pretty cool place. I've been there a few times. If I remember correctly, they do have TVs and a satellite dish, so I think the bike night on two-wheeled tuesday would rock. Weeknights are cool, especially considering the last bike nights have only run until 9pm right? Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Pena" To: "DC Cycles" Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 2:20 PM Subject: Input needed for next Bike Night > Y'all.. > > Mark and I would appreciated your input for the next Bike Night > (probably in July). > > 1. Kirt has already suggested that we try to find a place that doesn't > have a minimum 21 age and we are working on that. > > 2. If not CarPool (i.e., Arlington, VA) is there any particular > location(s) that are convenient or inconvenient? Or does location not > matter so much? FYI, Grevey's in Falls Church (Merrifield, bascially > where Route 50 and the Beltway meet) has been mentioned to us as one > place to consider (we have a potential "in" with the owner and they have > a huge parking lot). > > 3. What do y'all think of a weeknight? Tuesday night is "Two Wheel > Tuesday" on Speedvision and perhaps we could make Bike Night more > relevant by incorporating the two? > > Please let either me or Mark know what you think of the above (as well > as any other comments and/or inpput). Thanx! > > Chuck, aka Skittles From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 13 17:48:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5DLmqk02668 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-136-252.s252.tnt4.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.136.252] helo=wskirt) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 131yYE-0003kq-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:48:50 -0400 Message-ID: <00ee01bfd581$2c3dac40$c904fea9@wskirt> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <39469A04.51E8C932@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Father's Day brunch ride Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:48:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 yes... and I'll actually really try and make it this time, girlfriend or not... Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Pena" To: "DC Cycles" < > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 4:31 PM Subject: Father's Day brunch ride > Y'all, > > I know this Sunday is Father's Day, but... Anyone up for an > easly/leisurely ride??? Thought I might do my ~2 hour loop through MD > (Montgomery and Frederick Counties) -- Potomac, Poolesville, > Barnesville, Sugarloaf, Buckeystown areas. Mostly 2 lane roads. > Rolling. Some turns, but not lots and lots. Mostly just "cruising". > We could start either in Rosslyn or G'town, whichever is most convenient > for everybody. And I thought we'd end by going to Polly's on U Street > in DC for Sunday brunch (I'm friends with the owner). Let me know if > you're interested as I will need to let Polly's know how many of us to > expect/prepare for. Thanx! > > Chuck, aka Skittles > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 13 18:27:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5DMRKk03332 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-224.patriot.net [209.249.180.224]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5DMR9n25229; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:27:10 -0400 Message-ID: <3946B3CB.EEEED0B2@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:20:59 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: No Body CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Whats involved in getting a MC licence in Virgina? References: <20000613145401.68465.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In Shirlington the test is on a small patch of asphat. Start out slow, make a sharp left turn. no foot touch, complete a U-turn and stop with front wheel in a 2 square foot box. Then you do an offset cone weave, into a U-turn and then do a tight U-turn inside a U box 15 feet wide and stop. They'll give a another couple feet if your scoot is over 500cc. Braking test, zoom up to about 15 MPH and stop without skidding, but stop fast. Then a swerve test, zoom up to about 15 again and swerve, than stop. You'll have to shift to second for some drills. If you're on a touring bike, Gold Wing/Hawg, forget it. If you're on a crotch rocket with limited lock-to-lock steering, forget it. Bill No Body wrote: > I am going to take my riding test on Friday at the DMV in Sherlington, I > have a learners right now. Since MSF courses are sold out for months I dont > know what riding skills the DMV is going to test. I am sure lots of your > have gone through this test, so I was hoping to get some pointers on what I > should do to pass etc. > > Thanks for the info in advance. > Regards > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 13 18:34:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5DMYSk03441 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-129-42.s296.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.129.42] helo=todd) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 131zGL-0005Yk-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:34:26 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: Subject: Need Good Roads RE: dc-cycles digest for 06/08/00 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:27:53 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bfd586$9db545e0$2a81a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200006082300.e58N03708712@dirty.meretrix.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:23:12 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Collin T. Fagan" > Subject: re: need good roads > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Kirt, > 211 through Thornton's gap is not even close to tight... it's by all > means sweepers... > If you want tight, drop over to staunton and head west on 33. when it > meets 250 a ways into West VA, turn back east on 250.. now that road is > tight... > > 211 is fairly easy to maintain triple or near triple digit speeds all ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ !!!!!! Did he say triple? > the way up on each side... faster on the next set of hills past > Lurray...errr... or so I am told ;-) I would never exceed the speed > limit or ride at excessive speeds ;-) > > Collin > 211 is one of the more renowned roads to have a blast on, and I agree that 33/250 are much tighter than 211, but TRIPLE? Maybe in some of those short hops, or coming down the west side in the S's, but No, no, noooo you aren't travelling in the triple digits on those 25-30mph turns. Think about what you're saying man! I've seen you get on it into the tighter parts of 211, and I'll concede around 65- and maybe close to 80....But no more ;-) Todd From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 13 18:38:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5DMcIk03510 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-224.patriot.net [209.249.180.224]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5DMa8n26406; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:36:08 -0400 Message-ID: <3946B5E6.3B6AAA2A@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:29:58 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hugh Caldwell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Latest two wheeled craze References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A bit of trivia - HONDA sold scooters like that back in the 70s. They had an "Irish Mail" action, pump the foot lever and it would drive the rear wheel with a fixed chain. Way cool! One model had two front wheels for balance, the other two-in-line. I bought one of each for my young `uns and lemme tell ya, those suckers were fast! My kids outgrew them and I gave them to our friend's kids. Probably collectors items now. Bill Hugh Caldwell wrote: > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46310-2000Jun12.html > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 13 19:53:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (253-64-173-216.user.darwin.net [216.173.64.253]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5DNrIk04628 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 2G0UP [216.173.114.142] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-6.03) id A93F176D014C; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:52:31 -0700 Received: by 2G0UP with Microsoft Mail id <01BFD570.EC7E0B00@2G0UP>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:52:37 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFD570.EC7E0B00@2G0UP> From: Ahalan To: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Heat Injuries Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:52:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e5DNrVk04629 Fellow riders - summer is here ! I'm not a doctor, nor a medic, but I know a bit about heat injuries from my military service and several 1st aid courses. I've become dehydrated several times under extreme conditions and agree that once it happens you are probably more vulnerable to it. Dehydration will usually give notice with an increasingly painful headache and later a quite upset stomach, followed by dizziness, weakness, until you finally pass out. Some confusion and some apathy could be part of this process but could easily be signs of heat stroke. Heat stroke is a different ball game and could result in severe brain damage or death. Serious confusion, the stopping of perspiration, apathy, loss of balance, collapse, as well as all the other dehydration signs could be a sign of heat stroke. Note - its rare for you to notice more than one or two of these signs. Heat stroke means your body has lost its temperature control and is overheating. If you SUSPECT heat stroke pour a large amount of cold anything on the head - the brain is getting fried and its got to be cooled down NOW. This could save the person's life. Take that person to medical treatment ASAP or if its not nearby put him/her in the shade, call for medical assistance, hydrate, and keep cool. Now where's that damn AC button on my beemer ? Niv BMW F650ST From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 13 20:03:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f135.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.135]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5E03dk04788 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16575 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2000 00:03:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20000614000331.16574.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.164.241.173 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:03:31 PDT X-Originating-IP: [216.164.241.173] From: "DAN KENNEY" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: triple digits on 211 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:03:31 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I guess you have never ridden 211 with Collin right?. I saw him ride it on on "John Deere". He was going faster than that when we switched and rode my TLs. Dan Kenney Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 13 20:51:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5202.mail.yahoo.com (web5202.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.96]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5E0pGk05510 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000614005101.16658.qmail@web5202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.89.112] by web5202.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:51:01 PDT Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:51:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Mercedes vs Biker here To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bryan(and the rest of you)- It's a slow download - but still funny.... http://www.adcritic.com/content/mercedes-badness.html -Corbett '99 BMW K12RS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 13 22:00:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5E20ek06412 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RMccre5861@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id u.c1.41f72d5 (14383); Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:00:26 -0400 (EDT) From: RMccre5861@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:00:26 EDT Subject: Re: Input needed for next Bike Night To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 In a message dated 6/13/00 11:17:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: << . What do y'all think of a weeknight? Tuesday night is "Two Wheel Tuesday" on Speedvision and perhaps we could make Bike Night more relevant by incorporating the two? >> This would be great for me as I cannot make it on a weekend nite.!! Richard From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 13 23:29:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5E3Tlk07576 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 23:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-182.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.182]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA06235 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 23:29:43 -0400 Posted-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 23:29:43 -0400 Message-ID: <00c101bfd5af$87097400$ada4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: At Last -- Distractions Diligence Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 23:20:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BE_01BFD58D.FE4C9500" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01BFD58D.FE4C9500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From The Washington Post today -- a recognition by NHTSA that increasing = driving distractions (cellphones, map systems, etc.) deserve formal = attention. An Internet Forum is on tap from July 5 to August 11 at = www.driversdistraction.org. Also a public meeting on planned for July = 18. For me -- getting off my chest the twicetimes recently almost = planted by cabin-busy cagers. =20 Twenty-five or so col-inches at = http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46221-2000Jun12.html Bill S. / DC=20 99 VN750 --> Occasionally distracted by moto-elegance Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01BFD58D.FE4C9500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
From The Washington Post today -- a recognition = by NHTSA=20 that increasing driving distractions (cellphones, map systems, etc.) = deserve=20 formal attention.  An Internet Forum is on tap from July 5 to = August 11 at=20 www.driversdistraction.org= . =20 Also a public meeting on planned for July 18.  For me -- getting = off my=20 chest the twicetimes recently almost planted by cabin-busy cagers.  =
 
Twenty-five or so col-inches at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46221-2000Jun12.html
 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 VN750 --> Occasionally distracted by=20 moto-elegance
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding=20 fun.
------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01BFD58D.FE4C9500-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 14 06:54:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5EAsIk14185 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 06:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.9c.4a0734d (3844) for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 06:54:09 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <9c.4a0734d.2678be50@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 06:54:08 EDT Subject: Re: At Last -- Distractions Diligence To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 > For me -- getting off my chest the twicetimes recently almost planted by > cabin-busy cagers I saw a new high (or low) on the Dulles Toll Road Monday afternoon - a gentleman with his attention focused on some document spread over the steering wheel whilst talking into a cell phone. It was OK though, he was only doing about 45 ~ 50 MPH Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 14 07:38:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e21.nc.us.ibm.com (e21.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5EBc9k14851 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e21.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA79744 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:28:18 -0500 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v4.9) with SMTP id HAA08930 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:38:06 -0400 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852568FE.003FE94C ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:38:04 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852568FE.003FE7D8.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:37:57 -0400 Subject: Re: Latest two wheeled craze Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hmmm... might be just the thing for MSF range aid duty... if it didn't distract the students too much. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet '58 / '65 Triton "kit" http://users.starpower.net/eboc Hugh Caldwell wrote: > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46310-2000Jun12.html From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 14 07:58:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5EBw2k15133 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-159.patriot.net [209.249.180.159]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5EBvon01168; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:57:52 -0400 Message-ID: <394771C5.9174CE42@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:51:33 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rcrishoc@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Latest two wheeled craze References: <852568FE.003FE7D8.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roller blades, dude. One of our instructors uses them. Bill rcrishoc@XXXXXX wrote: > Hmmm... might be just the thing for MSF range aid duty... if it didn't > distract the students too much. > > Rich > '78 Triumph Bonneville > '99 Enfield Bullet > '58 / '65 Triton "kit" > http://users.starpower.net/eboc > > Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46310-2000Jun12.html From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 14 08:42:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (proxy.mailbank.com [208.49.167.126]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5ECguk16002 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA28215; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:41:17 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000614083934.00fa89ac@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:39:34 -0400 To: "DAN KENNEY" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: triple digits on 211 In-Reply-To: <20000614000331.16574.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:03 PM 6/13/00 PDT, DAN KENNEY wrote: >I guess you have never ridden 211 with Collin right?. I saw him ride it on >on "John Deere". He was going faster than that when we switched and rode my >TLs. > You switched bikes while traveling above 80 mph? I am impressed!!! Was this during a corner, or on a straight? ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 14 08:43:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (proxy.mailbank.com [208.49.167.126]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5ECh2k16004 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA28530; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:41:44 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000614084141.00faeb7c@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:41:41 -0400 To: Chuck Pena , DC Cycles From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Input needed for next Bike Night In-Reply-To: <39467B7A.5146AB6B@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:20 AM 6/13/00 -0700, Chuck Pena wrote: >2. If not CarPool (i.e., Arlington, VA) is there any particular >location(s) that are convenient or inconvenient? Or does location not >matter so much? FYI, Grevey's in Falls Church (Merrifield, bascially >where Route 50 and the Beltway meet) has been mentioned to us as one >place to consider (we have a potential "in" with the owner and they have >a huge parking lot). > >3. What do y'all think of a weeknight? Tuesday night is "Two Wheel >Tuesday" on Speedvision and perhaps we could make Bike Night more >relevant by incorporating the two? Grevey's on a Tuesday would work for me. ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 14 08:51:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5ECpZk16388 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:51:26 -0400 Message-Id: <200006140851.AA1376744@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Subject: Re: At Last -- Distractions Diligence X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: MJordan666@XXXXXX >I saw a new high (or low) on the Dulles Toll Road Monday afternoon - a >gentleman with his attention focused on some document spread over the >steering wheel whilst talking into a cell phone. > >It was OK though, he was only doing about 45 ~ 50 MPH Fairfax County, right? TURN HIM IN! Call 703-691-2131. Fairfax County has a turn-in-an-aggressive driver program. Car license, make, driver description (if possible), time, date, and place. He won't get arrested, but he will get a letter from the County advising him of what he's been observed doing. He may not have been "raging" in the standard sense, but that degree of negligence for human life has an aggression all its own. from http://www.co.fairfax.va.us/ps/police/RoadShark.htm "Agressive (High Risk) Driving: The combination of unsafe and unlawful driving actions that demonstrate a disregard for safety." Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 14 09:37:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web902.mail.yahoo.com (web902.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5EDbtk17612 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18462 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jun 2000 13:37:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20000614133743.18461.qmail@web902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web902.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 06:37:43 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 06:37:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: triple digits on 211 To: DAN KENNEY , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For those who don't know, there is more than one "John Deere." The black one is a '91 ZX6, it will reach triple digits. --- DAN KENNEY wrote: > I guess you have never ridden 211 with Collin > right?. I saw him ride it on > on "John Deere". He was going faster than that when > we switched and rode my > TLs. > > > > Dan Kenney > Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 14 09:48:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5EDmbk17783 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 06:49:51 -0700 Message-ID: <3947B7EA.AFDD6AC1@flashmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:50:50 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Huson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Latest two wheeled craze References: <3946B5E6.3B6AAA2A@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Huson wrote: > > A bit of trivia - HONDA sold scooters like that back in the 70s. They > had an "Irish Mail" action, pump the foot lever and it would drive the > rear wheel with a fixed chain. I wonder if they are available as a shaft drive? :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 14 10:53:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5EErEk18684 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) id <0FW500F01FYO59@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:52:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0FW500E48FYD5L@XXXXXX>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:51:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) id <0FW500701FYD2P@XXXXXX>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:51:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0FW500601FY2W8@XXXXXX>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:51:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localHost ([166.32.192.143]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0FW50056CFXZW8@XXXXXX>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:51:35 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Keiser Subject: For Sale: First Gear Jacket / Reduced! To: DC Cycles , VF VFR Reply , VFR One List Reply Message-id: <0FW50056DFXZW8@dgismtp01.wcomnet.com> X-Mailer: MailRoom for Internet v3.1a (www.SierraSol.com) To answer the questions from my first post: - Yes, it's still for sale and now an even better bargain. - I'm selling it, b/c my 'stich came in, and I want to buy a Corbin. - Here's a link to see a picture of a new one: http://www.intersportfashions.com/right/html/spilot.asp For Sale: --------- Hein Gericke First Gear "Stealth-Pilot" Jacket Color: All Black Size: 42 Great Condition Never seen rain nor 'tested' for abrasion protection Snap in/out Thinsulate Liner Body Armor in Shoulders and Elbows Jacket New Lists for $584.95 Price: Now $295 Includes shipping to lower 48, and remaining HG Conditioner and Water Repellent Kit. Please email me off list if interested. Thanks. Rob '98 VFR800 Red From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 14 10:58:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5EEwEk18804 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06740 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:57:59 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000614105719.00ccf340@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:57:55 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: For Sale: First Gear Jacket / Reduced! In-Reply-To: <0FW50056DFXZW8@dgismtp01.wcomnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:53 AM 6/14/00 , Robert Keiser wrote: >To answer the questions from my first post: > >- Yes, it's still for sale and now an even better bargain. >- I'm selling it, b/c my 'stich came in, and I want to buy a Corbin. >- Here's a link to see a picture of a new one: > >http://www.intersportfashions.com/right/html/spilot.asp I don't know about that link. She is a hottie, but that guy is a bit of a dork. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 14 14:10:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web509.mail.yahoo.com (web509.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.224]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5EIABk21612 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000614181002.24730.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.254.20.192] by web509.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:10:02 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:10:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: At Last -- Distractions Diligence To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX, MJordan666@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii No offense meant here, but who gives a shit about a letter? Maybe for its initial humor value, but after that.....? Now, if they were to tally up the complaints and impose some civil fine after a certain point I could see somebody caring.....but that ain't how it works, is it? -- Chris Norloff wrote: > ---------- Original Message > ---------------------------------- > From: MJordan666@XXXXXX > >I saw a new high (or low) on the Dulles Toll Road > Monday afternoon - a > >gentleman with his attention focused on some > document spread over the > >steering wheel whilst talking into a cell phone. > > > >It was OK though, he was only doing about 45 ~ 50 > MPH > > > Fairfax County, right? TURN HIM IN! Call > 703-691-2131. Fairfax County has a > turn-in-an-aggressive driver program. Car license, > make, driver description (if possible), time, date, > and place. He won't get arrested, but he will get a > letter from the County advising him of what he's > been observed doing. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 14 14:35:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5EIZFk22033 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:36:27 -0700 Message-ID: <3947FB12.1C431547@flashmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:37:22 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Interesting artist's conception Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=107565&a=786986&p=22414084&Sequence=0 Sounds like the return of the FJ is imminent? Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 14 14:58:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5EIwVk22288 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj [192.9.200.178] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.T) for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:56:18 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , Subject: Re:Interesting artist's conception Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:03:41 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.178 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=107565&a=786986&p=22414084&Sequence=0 Dale Wrote: Sounds like the return of the FJ is imminent? Looks like it has a chain From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 14 15:03:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5EJ3ak22365 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:04:48 -0700 Message-ID: <3948019D.BF763DFE@flashmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:05:17 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jay St. Peter" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Interesting artist's conception References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Jay St. Peter" wrote: > >> http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=107565&a=786986&p=22414084&Sequence=0 > > Looks like it has a chain Well, yeah, but I wasn't gonna dwell on the negatives.... :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 14 16:12:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5EKCak23326 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:12:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:12:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200006141612.AA237306240@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , , Tom Gimer Subject: Re: At Last -- Distractions Diligence X-Mailer: If that's the way you feel about it, then just go back to the method you use. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Tom Gimer Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:10:02 -0700 (PDT) >No offense meant here, but who gives a shit about a >letter? Maybe for its initial humor value, but after >that.....? > >Now, if they were to tally up the complaints and >impose some civil fine after a certain point I could >see somebody caring.....but that ain't how it works, >is it? > > > >-- Chris Norloff wrote: >> ---------- Original Message >> ---------------------------------- >> From: MJordan666@XXXXXX >> >I saw a new high (or low) on the Dulles Toll Road >> Monday afternoon - a >> >gentleman with his attention focused on some >> document spread over the >> >steering wheel whilst talking into a cell phone. >> > >> >It was OK though, he was only doing about 45 ~ 50 >> MPH >> >> >> Fairfax County, right? TURN HIM IN! Call >> 703-691-2131. Fairfax County has a >> turn-in-an-aggressive driver program. Car license, >> make, driver description (if possible), time, date, >> and place. He won't get arrested, but he will get a >> letter from the County advising him of what he's >> been observed doing. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! >http://photos.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 14 17:20:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5ELKek24347 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 17:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 17:17:58 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: from this week's news of the weird Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 17:17:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" "A 30-year-old motorcyclist was crushed to death near Phoenix in December after an apparent road-rage incident in which he sped up quickly to overtake a pickup truck, swerved in front of it, and then deliberately slammed on the brakes." hmmmm, that'll show 'em. -Mark From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 14 17:44:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5ELi2k24950 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 17:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000614214354.798.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.254.20.40] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:43:54 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:43:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: At Last -- Distractions Diligence To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX, MJordan666@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You mean shaking my fist at and/or verbally berating people? Fine. I just don't see the point in using a method which, according to its own description, is likely to be totally ineffective as a deterrent. My earlier comment was an attempt to elicit something about the hidden benefits of the program..... --- Chris Norloff wrote: > If that's the way you feel about it, then just go > back to the method you use. > > Chris Norloff > > > ---------- Original Message > ---------------------------------- > From: Tom Gimer > Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:10:02 -0700 (PDT) > > >No offense meant here, but who gives a shit about a > >letter? Maybe for its initial humor value, but > after > >that.....? > > > >Now, if they were to tally up the complaints and > >impose some civil fine after a certain point I > could > >see somebody caring.....but that ain't how it > works, > >is it? > > > > > > > >-- Chris Norloff wrote: > >> ---------- Original Message > >> > >> Fairfax County, right? TURN HIM IN! Call > >> 703-691-2131. Fairfax County has a > >> turn-in-an-aggressive driver program. Car > license, > >> make, driver description (if possible), time, > date, > >> and place. He won't get arrested, but he will > get a > >> letter from the County advising him of what he's > >> been observed doing. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 14 18:15:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5EMFFk25513 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-211-156.s156.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.211.156] helo=wskirt) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 132LRI-0006bn-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:15:12 -0400 Message-ID: <005101bfd64e$021cd3a0$c904fea9@wskirt> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <000301bfd586$9db545e0$2a81a4d8@todd> Subject: Re: Need Good Roads RE: dc-cycles digest for 06/08/00 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:15:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Well, Colin... what do you think? You are the rider in question? hehe. I could've sworn when I was up on 211, the time that I dragged my pegs (while hanging off a bit) towards the end of a "surprise" decreasing radius turn, that I wasn't doing more than 60 in the turn. I don't know cuz I was looking at the road ahead and grinning to much, but I think I was doing a little under 60 when I went into the turn, and I was rolling it on through the turn, so... I wouldn't be that surprised now that I think about the fact that Colin is an awesome rider, and he races, and he's probably pretty familiar with the road. But DAMN that is fast... Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Peer" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 6:27 PM Subject: Need Good Roads RE: dc-cycles digest for 06/08/00 > > Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:23:12 -0700 (PDT) > > From: "Collin T. Fagan" > > Subject: re: need good roads > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > Kirt, > > 211 through Thornton's gap is not even close to tight... it's by all > > means sweepers... > > If you want tight, drop over to staunton and head west on 33. when it > > meets 250 a ways into West VA, turn back east on 250.. now that road is > > tight... > > > > 211 is fairly easy to maintain triple or near triple digit speeds all > ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ > > !!!!!! Did he say triple? > > > the way up on each side... faster on the next set of hills past > > Lurray...errr... or so I am told ;-) I would never exceed the speed > > limit or ride at excessive speeds ;-) > > > > Collin > > > > 211 is one of the more renowned roads to have a blast on, and I agree that > 33/250 are much tighter than 211, but TRIPLE? Maybe in some of those short > hops, or coming down the west side in the S's, but No, no, noooo you aren't > travelling in the triple digits on those 25-30mph turns. > > Think about what you're saying man! I've seen you get on it into the > tighter parts of 211, and I'll concede around 65- and maybe close to > 80....But no more ;-) > > Todd > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 14 18:15:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5EMFSk25523 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va12-15.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.79]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA09761; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39482E9F.38318D53@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:17:19 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles CC: Bannon Wysocki , Jay Ribera , Pete Wysocki , "Pete Wysocki (home)" Subject: Re: Father's Day brunch ride References: <39469A04.51E8C932@ix.netcom.com> <00ee01bfd581$2c3dac40$c904fea9@wskirt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK. I've gotten a fair number of responses from people who are interested in doing a Father's Day brunch ride. So here's the plan... Let's meet at the base of the steps used in "The Exorcist" in G'town at 10am. There's an area there where we can gather. And there's a gas station (Exxon?) for anyone who needs to fill up before we shove off. Plan on hitting the road NLT 10:15am. The basic route will look something like this: We'll head out MacArthur Boulevard, taking it all the way out and up the hill at Old Angler's Inn. At the top of the hill, we'll go right onto Falls Road into Potomac. At the 4-way traffic light intersection in Potomac we'll go left onto River Road. We'll take River Road all the way until it "T's" in Seneca and turn left (which actually keeps us on River Road). Right on Partnership Road until it ends. Left on Route 28 into Poolesville. Right on 109 through Beallsville, Barnesville, Comus (Sugarloaf), and across I-270. Stay on 109 until it ends and turn left on 355. First right onto 75. Stay on 75 until it ends and turn left at the traffic light (80). Stay on 80 until it "T's" and turn right. NOTE: There is a 7-Eleven at this intersection and we can stop here if y'all need to get something to drink (a good idea if it's going to be another scorcher day!) First left TRO on 80 (signs will also point you towards I-270). Stay on 80 until it ends and turn left (85). Left onto 28 (this is a relatively sharp turn). Stay on 28 into Seneca and turn right on Seneca Road (3-way traffic light). Left on River Road (190). At this point we will be back-tracking into Potomac. Right on Falls Road in Potomac (4-way intersection w/traffic light). Left onto MacArthur and down the hill to Old Angler's Inn. Instead of taking MacArthur back in (i.e., back-tracking the way we went out), we'll get onto the Clara Barton Parkway after Old Angler's Inn. Clara Barton takes you all the way to Canal Road at Chain Bridge. Keep going straight on Canal Road into Georgetown (Canal Road will eventually just become M Street NW at Key Bridge (i.e., right near where we started). >From Georgetown, just make your way to 14th and U Streets NW in DC. Polly's Cafe is at 1342 U Street NW. The phone number is (202) 265-8385. This is a relatively "easy" ride. Nothing super twisty. Rolling roads. It shouldn't be a problem for relative newbies and/or so-called "slow" riders. Chris Weaver and Mark Kitchell have both done this route with me before so you can also ask them about it. I kinda need some idea of how many of there are likely to be for brunch so please email me directly (cvkgpena@XXXXXX) to confirm if you're doing the ride and doing brunch. I promised Cici (the owner of Polly's) I'd give her a head count so she and her staff can do their best to accommodate us (FYI, Polly's is a relatively small and intimate cafe, but has outdoor seating). I also told her we'd try to get there after 12:30 as that's when it begins to slow down a bit and it ought to be easier to get us all seated (NOTE: Because Polly's is relatively small, it may not be possible for all of us to sit together depending on how many people we have). Thanx and cheers, Skittles, aka Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 14 18:22:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5EMMqk25611 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va12-15.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.79]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA17102 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39483065.9C2AD5E7@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:24:53 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Input needed for next Bike Night References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to everyone who has responded (so far) with input/ideas for the next Bike Night. Based on what we've heard so far: 1. Next Bike Night will be in July after the 4th of July holiday. 2. We will talk to the owner/management of Grevey's in Falls Church. 3. It will probably be a weeknight (Two Wheel Tuesday?) Keep those cards and letters coming, kidz! %^) Skittles, aka Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 14 19:00:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3102.mail.yahoo.com (web3102.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.187]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5EN0lk26253 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:00:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000614230040.4010.qmail@web3102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.21.68.66] by web3102.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:00:40 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:00:40 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan main Subject: Re: from this week's news of the weird To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > "A 30-year-old motorcyclist was crushed to death near > hmmmm, that'll show 'em. Yeah and I guess I'd better stop hitting the brakes when someone is close enough that you can't even see the headlights in your mirrors. damn tailgaters I hate em. Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 14 19:28:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.watsonwyatt.com (host249.watsonwyatt.com [208.22.178.249] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5ENRxk26731 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:28 -0400 From: "Rob Bell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: re: from this week's news of the weird Message-ID: <20000614192413960-7d39bc@watsonwyatt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Has anyone submitted this guy for a Darwin Award? Clearly a top contender. R >Subject: from this week's news of the weird >"A 30-year-old motorcyclist was crushed to death near Phoenix in December >after an apparent road-rage incident in which he sped up quickly to overtake >a pickup truck, swerved in front of it, and then deliberately slammed on the >brakes." From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 14 19:31:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r18.mx.aol.com (imo-r18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5ENV8k26814 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.bc.677a9f7 (4001) for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:30:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:30:46 EDT Subject: Sunday Ride To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 As we discussed at the track, I am trying to organiza a Maryland ride. The usual Annapolis ice-cream run. Meeting at 2:00 at the Roy Rogers at the intersection of 301 and 202. The Roy Rogers is on the right going north, not the one further south on 301 on the left going north on 301. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 14 19:32:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5ENWPk26824 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA09128; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:30:59 -0400 From: zbig@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman Cc: "Jay St. Peter" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Interesting artist's conception Message-ID: <20000614193059.A8856@kleks.org> References: <3948019D.BF763DFE@flashmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <3948019D.BF763DFE@flashmail.com> * Dale Horstman (Horkster@XXXXXX) [000614 19:01]: > "Jay St. Peter" wrote: > > > >> http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=107565&a=786986&p=22414084&Sequence=0 > > > > Looks like it has a chain > > Well, yeah, but I wasn't gonna dwell on the negatives.... :) > FJ - what a great bike. Had one between 1995-1997. Very comfortable, great for long distance riding, on a heavy side in the mountains. And yes, it was chain driven. As a matter of fact, FJ was agreat macine to stretch chains... I want one, in silver/blue... > Horkster > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 00' Blade C43 AMG - Silver Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 14 19:50:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r18.mx.aol.com (imo-r18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5ENoBk27143 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.a0.5cfafcc (4001) for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:49:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:49:53 EDT Subject: DC Cycles Racing Website To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 Brian (Roach), I happened to look at the subject website and noticed the last update was in August of 99, I think Collin updated it. As the resident internet (AOL) expert, you should be able to update the thing in your sleep. Better yet, get your colleague Gilberto to keep it up to date since you are busy racing. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 14 23:40:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5F3eok00475 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-129-81.s335.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.129.81] helo=todd) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 132QWM-0001B3-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:40:46 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: My bikes are sold Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:34:09 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bfd67a$91109340$5181a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:24:34 -0400 From: Brian and Christa LaSalle X-Accept-Language: en To: DC Cycles List Subject: Todd Peer please contact me off list Sorry for the wasted band width everybody Todd : I have a potential buyer for your Nighthawk is you still have it. Brian 96 Yellow Nighthawk 82 XT 250 ------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for keeping an eye out for me Brian. And double thanks (literally) to Richard Westbrook for hooking his friends up (from NYC) with me. They bought both bikes at the same time. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, * '92 CB750(sold), '94 XT350(sold) * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 152,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 14 23:50:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5F3oqk00664 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-129-81.s335.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.129.81] helo=todd) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 132Qg7-00026s-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:50:51 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: triple digits on 211 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:44:15 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bfd67b$f9cdd180$5181a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 From: "DAN KENNEY" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: triple digits on 211 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:03:31 PDT I guess you have never ridden 211 with Collin right?. I saw him ride it on on "John Deere". He was going faster than that when we switched and rode my TLs. Dan Kenney Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s -------------------------------------------------------- Sure have. Many times. Quite understand his propensity for speed. My bone to pick was that anyone can maintain triple digits ALL the way up and over 211. I'm just imagining a rider going by me (while standing off the side of the road) at 100mph. I see him as he approaches and snap my head to follow him recede. Now, put me in the apex of one of those tight turns. Uh-uh. No. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, * '83 VT500c(sold), * '92 CB750 (sold), * '94 XT350 (sold) * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 152,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 14 23:50:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5F3ouk00667 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:50:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-129-81.s335.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.129.81] helo=todd) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 132Qg9-00026s-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:50:53 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Two wheeled wonders. Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:44:16 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bfd67b$fae200a0$5181a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Dale Horstman wrote: "Jay St. Peter" wrote: > >> http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=107565&a=786986&p=22414084&Sequence=0 > > Looks like it has a chain Well, yeah, but I wasn't gonna dwell on the negatives.... :) Horkster ------------------------------------------------------------- C'mon Dale, yer always trying to give someone the shaft ;-) FYI. I read today that Yamahopper has been toying with 2wd bikes. Some kind of oil-pressured drive system to the front end. Plan to release within a year on either scooters, cruisers or both. Wow! Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, * '83 VT500c(sold), * '92 CB750 (sold), * '94 XT350 (sold) * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 152,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 00:01:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5F411k00811 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:01:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-129-81.s335.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.129.81] helo=todd) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 132Qpu-0003Df-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:00:58 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: At Last -- Distractions Diligence Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:54:21 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bfd67d$63654320$5181a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 From: "Chris Norloff" Subject: Re: At Last -- Distractions Diligence If that's the way you feel about it, then just go back to the method you use. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Tom Gimer Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:10:02 -0700 (PDT) >No offense meant here, but who gives a shit about a >letter? Maybe for its initial humor value, but after >that.....? > >Now, if they were to tally up the complaints and >impose some civil fine after a certain point I could >see somebody caring.....but that ain't how it works, >is it? >-- Chris Norloff wrote: >> ---------- Original Message >> ---------------------------------- >> >> Fairfax County, right? TURN HIM IN! Call Well I don't feel like a being a little snitch, so I will stick to my normal methods. Read the drivers actions, identify why: if cell phone or other stupidity, blast the Hellas until I've worked it out of my system...ahhhh, that's much better. People who drive like this are truly stupid people. I think that phone number was meant primarily for truly dangerous idiots. You know, tailgating in the right lane to sort of push you along so they can make it to the red light faster than you? I agree with Tom though. A letter like this would hit the round file quickly. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA)....being quite verbose this evening <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, * '83 VT500c(sold), * '92 CB750 (sold), * '94 XT350 (sold) * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 152,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 00:11:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5F4B8k00905 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-129-81.s335.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.129.81] helo=todd) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 132Qze-0004Ft-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:11:03 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: No MC content....Warning Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:04:26 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bfd67e$cbae89e0$5181a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 For those of you with caller ID or other stop-gap anti-solicitation devices, this does not apply. I have received 5 phone calls from some organization that claims to be collecting donations on the behalf of the Fairfax County Sherrifs Association, all in the last 4 months. The last 2 were within a single week. The first two got a polite "No" from me, and they quickly hung up. The third one got me a little irritated and I asked to please be taken of the list, whereby the operater called me a cheap-skate and hung up!!! The fourth one I told, "I already told you to stop calling me.." and was told in return, "You didn't tell Me that!" ..Click. F**K! This evening I quickly id'd the caller and lit into him, using loud profanity and saying not so nice things about his ugly wife and mother. His IMMEDIATE response was to do almost exactly the same in retaliation. I hung up. I've checked around. Apparently the callers have no association with the FCSA other than to collect a predertimined amount of money for them. Everything else they scrounge for, they keep. High motivation, and I expect more of this shit to continue. My goal here is to spread the word via email and word of mouth to anyone who live in FFAC. I would like to see this scam dry up. Fairfax County will be getting a letter and an earful from me tommorrow about this. I have in the past given to police organizations, but will never do so again in the future. At least not via a phone solicitation. They fucked this one up imo. You have been warned. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, * '83 VT500c(sold), * '92 CB750 (sold), * '94 XT350 (sold) * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 152,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 03:11:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5F7Awk03643 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 03:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phn-az31-172.rasserver.net [198.211.106.172] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:10:40 -0700 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: 2-wheeled wonders Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:11:47 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bfd698$f7fe6280$ac6ad3c6@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal As Todd mentioned, Yamaha has a 2-wheel drive DIRTBIKE as of right now. I haven't heard anything (on one of my more techie lists) about any street-bikes as of yet. The bikes are hydraulically driven and push about 10% of the total power to the front wheel. The rear doesn't loose any HP in the process. The front ends were developed by Ohlins (who's partially owned by Yamaha, or at least in bed with them.. not sure exactly what the relationship is currently). Now, this sounds like a wild new idea, but there are several 2-wheel drive bikes out there (mostly dirt-bikes that I know of) and the people I've been talking to about this say that they make riding in the dirt/sand/mud SO much nicer.. as well as climbing hills (no more balancing the weight between traction at the rear and flipping over the front - just lean forward and let that front tire dig in). They were also talking about honest 2-wheel slides that are in Full control (watch a 4wd rally car and you'll kinda get an understanding - it's not a trail-brake to free the rear end then slide into and through the corner.. it's a power application through the corner with both wheels spinning). There are also at least 2 examples of 2 wheel drive, 2 wheel steer motorcycles in the world right now too.. The limits and rules of motorcycling are changing.. we're on the cusp of something Really radical - hold onto your Helmets, I think the fun's about to be kicked into a higher gear.. :) Brian McCoy - your Phoenix and MMI corespondent.. :) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 07:00:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5FB0Wk07099 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 07:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-9.patriot.net [209.249.181.9]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5FB0Q422897; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 07:00:27 -0400 Message-ID: <3948B5D4.A1A808A8@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 06:54:12 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: No MC content....Warning References: <000501bfd67e$cbae89e0$5181a4d8@todd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Welcome to the world of "charity". Almost every single *gimme* drill that uses a county/state name is operated by sleezers. The FCSD, fire dept, police cept, and schools are the usual "marks" for these folks. School are are a fav. MY RULE for charities - SHOW me a P & L or atatement as to how much $$$ goes where and I'll think about it. Guess what? Only one in my long life has actually provided me wuth that info. Places like United Way don't want you to know that more than 90% of the money goes in their pockets, paying their grossly overpaid executives. I do make direct contributions - such as to a specific college, Children's Hospitol, or a group of car washing kids raising money for their soccor team, cheerleading squad, etc. Bill Todd Peer wrote: > For those of you with caller ID or other stop-gap anti-solicitation devices, > this does not apply. > > I have received 5 phone calls from some organization that claims to be > collecting donations on the behalf of the Fairfax County Sherrifs > Association, all in the last 4 months. The last 2 were within a single > week. > > The first two got a polite "No" from me, and they quickly hung up. > > The third one got me a little irritated and I asked to please be taken of > the list, whereby the operater called me a cheap-skate and hung up!!! > > The fourth one I told, "I already told you to stop calling me.." and was > told in return, "You didn't tell Me that!" ..Click. F**K! > > This evening I quickly id'd the caller and lit into him, using loud > profanity and saying not so nice things about his ugly wife and mother. His > IMMEDIATE response was to do almost exactly the same in retaliation. I hung > up. > > I've checked around. Apparently the callers have no association with the > FCSA other than to collect a predertimined amount of money for them. > Everything else they scrounge for, they keep. High motivation, and I expect > more of this shit to continue. > > My goal here is to spread the word via email and word of mouth to anyone who > live in FFAC. I would like to see this scam dry up. > > Fairfax County will be getting a letter and an earful from me tommorrow > about this. I have in the past given to police organizations, but will > never do so again in the future. At least not via a phone solicitation. > They fucked this one up imo. > > You have been warned. > > Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) > <----------------------------------------> > * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, > * '83 VT500c(sold), > * '92 CB750 (sold), > * '94 XT350 (sold) > * SS1k, FiTe V > * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) > * 152,000 miles and counting > <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 08:14:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r13.mx.aol.com (imo-r13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5FCDjk08061 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.77.5714d18 (3991) for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:12:37 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <77.5714d18.267a2235@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:12:37 EDT Subject: Re: 2-wheeled wonders To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 > The bikes are hydraulically driven and push about 10% of the total > power to the front wheel. The rear doesn't loose any HP in the process. With all due respect, Sir, I have a problem with this - If you're sending10% to the front, all that's left is 90%, ergo the rear wheel HAS to lose some power (not to mention additional friction losses). TANSTAAFL applies here (as it does in most areas of Physics). Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 08:21:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (proxy.mailbank.com [208.49.167.126]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5FCLhk08453 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA07743 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 05:19:49 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000615082003.00f9e1e8@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:20:03 -0400 To: From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: 2-wheeled wonders In-Reply-To: <000001bfd698$f7fe6280$ac6ad3c6@tra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:11 AM 6/15/00 -0700, Brian McCoy wrote: >As Todd mentioned, Yamaha has a 2-wheel drive DIRTBIKE as of right now. Just goes to show there's nothing new under the sun. Back in the early 1970's, there was a company called Rokon that had a pair of two wheel drive bikes. The first one was a fat tired, go anywhere woods/swamp kind of think. It used chain drive with some kind of weird linkage around the steering head. (On interesting feature: the wheels were hollow, and you could fill them with water, spare gasoline, etc.--just don't forget which wheel you put the drinkables in ). They later made a more traditional dirt bike with 2wd. My recollection is that all the magazines said that the advantages of the extra traction didn't make up for the disadvantages of heavier weight, ESPECIALLY heavier unsprung weight, and all on the front end. ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 08:22:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (proxy.mailbank.com [208.49.167.126]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5FCMWk08531 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA08281 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 05:20:35 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000615082008.00f9d730@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:20:08 -0400 To: From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: 2-wheeled wonders In-Reply-To: <000001bfd698$f7fe6280$ac6ad3c6@tra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:11 AM 6/15/00 -0700, Brian McCoy wrote: > The bikes are hydraulically driven and push about >10% of the total power to the front wheel. The rear doesn't loose any HP in >the process. Uh, that's not possible. If the engine makes, say 50 horsepower, and 10% goes to the front wheel, there's only 90% left for the back wheel: at most 45hp. Why do I say "at most?" Because there are inherent frictional losses in any machine, and pumping losses in any hydraulic system, that will eat up at least a little of that total 50hp. Adding front wheel drive doesn't somehow find another 5 horsepower, so it HAS to take it from the rear. ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 08:23:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5FCNkk08541 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA29038; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000615082324.00a11340@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:24:23 -0400 To: bryan main , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: from this week's news of the weird In-Reply-To: <20000614230040.4010.qmail@web3102.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The best thing to do when someone tailgates you: weave in your lane! : ) They think you're crazy or drunk and usually back WAYYYY the hell off! LOL - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > >Yeah and I guess I'd better stop hitting the brakes when someone is close >enough that you can't even see the headlights in your mirrors. damn >tailgaters I hate em. > >Bryan > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! >http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 08:50:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3205.mail.yahoo.com (web3205.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.202]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5FCodk09180 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000615125020.25197.qmail@web3205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.188.45.50] by web3205.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 05:50:20 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 05:50:20 -0700 (PDT) From: JEM Racing Subject: JEM Racing SV is for Sale To: SV650@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It f'n kills me to announce that I am putting my 1999 SV650X and trailer up for sale. Racing is the greatest sport on earth, but my family responsibilities are growing. Hopefully someday soon I will be back. The bike is fully race prepped and in great shape . . . Here's the goods: 1999 SV650X Emulators, .90 Springs, 30wt oil EBC pads Braided Lines Woodcraft clip ons Graves bracket GSXR Tach Daytona digital guage Full sharkskins bodywork with dzus fasteners Stock seat with padding removed CFM rearsets Speedwerks Aluminum subframe M4 high mount exhaust with full heat wrap Penske shock (adjust. compression, rebound, ride height) Rear stand spools Trailer: 1996 Timberwolf 6x10 4 sets of recessed D ring tie downs 2 wheel chocks, with flush mounts Torsion axle Ramp door and side door Spares: VTR 1000 tail that fits All Stock accessories and body work Levers Pegs Stock tires w/450mi 3 pair D207's with a practice day left in each Tecknic back protector The bike is in great shape, and appears to be faster than most every other SS LW in CCS Mid Atlantic except Yakov's (and uh, maybe thats not his bike thats fast eh?) The trailer rides smooth, and I recently had all the wiring checked out. It all works great. Just writing this email is killing me. Well over 11k invested. Bike - $6500 Trailer - $1750 Back protector - $40 Photos of bike and trailer can be seen at http://members2.clubphoto.com/jem217423/First_Album/ in the photo the trailer is dirty from a trip down from Ohio in the snow. ===== Jonathan Broga JEM Racing CCS #502 Sponsored By: http://www.centurypool.com http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.elfmoto.com http://www.loudounmotorsports.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 09:11:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5FDBwk09481 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:11:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200006150911.AA216924566@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Tom Gimer Subject: Re: At Last -- Distractions Diligence X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Tom Gimer >I just don't see the point in using a method which, >according to its own description, is likely to be >totally ineffective as a deterrent. Do you have any data to support that conclusion? When I spoke with CAPT Tom Bernal of the Fairfax County Police, who runs the program, he said about a third of the letters generated positive responses. Let's hear your data! > My earlier >comment was an attempt to elicit something about the >hidden benefits of the program..... If you actually want information and discussion, don't say "...who gives a shit about a letter?" in your first sentence. There are some people who are trying to make a change in drivers' behavior. Do you think your method is better or Fairfax County's method is better? Chris Norloff > > > >--- Chris Norloff wrote: >> If that's the way you feel about it, then just go >> back to the method you use. >> >> Chris Norloff >> >> >> ---------- Original Message >> ---------------------------------- >> From: Tom Gimer >> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:10:02 -0700 (PDT) >> >> >No offense meant here, but who gives a shit about a >> >letter? Maybe for its initial humor value, but >> after >> >that.....? >> > >> >Now, if they were to tally up the complaints and >> >impose some civil fine after a certain point I >> could >> >see somebody caring.....but that ain't how it >> works, >> >is it? >> > >> > >> > >> >-- Chris Norloff wrote: >> >> ---------- Original Message >> >> >> >> Fairfax County, right? TURN HIM IN! Call >> >> 703-691-2131. Fairfax County has a >> >> turn-in-an-aggressive driver program. Car >> license, >> >> make, driver description (if possible), time, >> date, >> >> and place. He won't get arrested, but he will >> get a >> >> letter from the County advising him of what he's >> >> been observed doing. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! >http://photos.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 09:14:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r20.mx.aol.com (imo-r20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5FDEek09546 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.30.67bd824 (3991) for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:14:20 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <30.67bd824.267a30ac@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:14:20 EDT Subject: Re: 2-wheeled wonders To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 > Just goes to show there's nothing new under the sun. Back in the early > 1970's, there was a company called Rokon that had a pair of two wheel drive > bikes. Rokon is still alive and well and making the same basic fat tired bike. It tops out at about 24mph, but will climb a wall. I have seen someone ride one of these into the back of a pickup without a ramp Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 09:16:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5FDGuk09626 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:16:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200006150916.AA48431756@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "DC-Cycles" , "Todd Peer" Subject: Re: At Last -- Distractions Diligence X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Todd Peer" > >>> Fairfax County, right? TURN HIM IN! Call > >Well I don't feel like a being a little snitch, so I will stick to my normal >methods. Read the drivers actions, identify why: if cell phone or other >stupidity, blast the Hellas until I've worked it out of my system...ahhhh, >that's much better. Interesting. What other criminal behavior involving potential loss of life and property do you feel you should not report? >I agree with Tom though. A letter like this would hit the round file >quickly. Okay, data please. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 09:17:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5FDHok09653 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:17:22 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062C93@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'cnorloff@XXXXXX'" , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX, Tom Gimer Subject: RE: At Last -- Distractions Diligence Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:10:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Please guys, take this off list! Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 9:12 AM > To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX; Tom Gimer > Subject: Re: At Last -- Distractions Diligence > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Tom Gimer > >I just don't see the point in using a method which, > >according to its own description, is likely to be > >totally ineffective as a deterrent. > > Do you have any data to support that conclusion? When I spoke with CAPT > Tom Bernal of the Fairfax County Police, who runs the program, he said > about a third of the letters generated positive responses. Let's hear > your data! > > > > My earlier > >comment was an attempt to elicit something about the > >hidden benefits of the program..... > > If you actually want information and discussion, don't say "...who gives a > shit about a letter?" in your first sentence. > > There are some people who are trying to make a change in drivers' > behavior. Do you think your method is better or Fairfax County's method > is better? > > Chris Norloff > > > > > > > > > >--- Chris Norloff wrote: > >> If that's the way you feel about it, then just go > >> back to the method you use. > >> > >> Chris Norloff > >> > >> > >> ---------- Original Message > >> ---------------------------------- > >> From: Tom Gimer > >> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:10:02 -0700 (PDT) > >> > >> >No offense meant here, but who gives a shit about a > >> >letter? Maybe for its initial humor value, but > >> after > >> >that.....? > >> > > >> >Now, if they were to tally up the complaints and > >> >impose some civil fine after a certain point I > >> could > >> >see somebody caring.....but that ain't how it > >> works, > >> >is it? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >-- Chris Norloff wrote: > >> >> ---------- Original Message > >> >> > >> >> Fairfax County, right? TURN HIM IN! Call > >> >> 703-691-2131. Fairfax County has a > >> >> turn-in-an-aggressive driver program. Car > >> license, > >> >> make, driver description (if possible), time, > >> date, > >> >> and place. He won't get arrested, but he will > >> get a > >> >> letter from the County advising him of what he's > >> >> been observed doing. > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! > >http://photos.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 09:28:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5FDSOk09824 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 132Zgm-0005QQ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 06:28:08 -0700 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 06:28:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: At Last -- Distractions Diligence In-Reply-To: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062C93@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > Please guys, take this off list! > > Mark > Uhhh, why would you want to take a discussion that relates to potentially life saving/ending actions off the list? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 09:34:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5FDYdk09897 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:34:26 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062C96@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Hugh Caldwell'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: At Last -- Distractions Diligence Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:27:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Cause they are quickly going down the road into who said you said f**k you said s**t. Plus, their opinions on the campaign won't make the roads any safer. > -----Original Message----- > From: Hugh Caldwell [SMTP:twg@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 9:28 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: At Last -- Distractions Diligence > > On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > Please guys, take this off list! > > > > Mark > > > Uhhh, why would you want to take a discussion that > relates to potentially life saving/ending actions off the list? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 09:39:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5FDdIk09966 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj [192.9.200.178] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.T) for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:37:54 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , Subject: Re:No MC content....Warning Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:45:24 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.178 Todd, I once bought some jelly from a police officer. He personally delivered it along with a sticker to put on my car. He was a really nice guy and real cop. However, that got me on the police association sucker list. On one Sunday a couple of months later I got 6 calls from various police related charities. I was also getting a couple during the week, usually at dinner time. State (VA, MD & PA?), sheriff, and localities like prince william, howard, and loudoun counties. WTF! I started getting pissed. One guy called from some police union, I said "Take me off the sucker list. I will NEVER give to another police charity, especially a f'n union!". Well the MF'er sent me an envelope as if I had offered to donate $50. They harassed me for a couple of months, always getting an earfull from me. The worst part is that the form they sent me said some words to the effect of "This is not a tax deductible charity, this donation goes directly to the police union for our ongoing support of police officer rights". What a load of crap! It took me about 2 years to get off all the sucker lists on the east coast. On the other hand, most local fire departments do a charity drive every year where 100% of what you donate goes directly to equipment for the department. They also do not put you on any sucker lists. They usually do it yearly. I donate big to this one. Just make sure it isn't for sending kids to camp or some other thing like that. That's what gets you on the lists, even from the fire dept. It's too bad, some of the things they want you to donate for actually seem worthwhile. Now when I get the occasional call, I politely go into a 10 minute story about why I don't donate to police organizations. Then I say "Well, now that I've wasted some of YOUR time, please remove me from your list". I think if that union ever calls again, I probably won't be able to remain polite. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 09:50:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5FDo0k10117 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:50:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:49:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200006150949.AA54067740@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: At Last -- Distractions Diligence X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Mark Kitchell >Cause they are quickly going down the road into who said you said f**k you >said s**t. Plus, their opinions on the campaign won't make the roads any >safer. No, but the campaign might. What do you think? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 10:06:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5FE5xk10550 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 132aHA-0002km-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 07:05:44 -0700 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 07:05:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: At Last -- Distractions Diligence Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > Cause they are quickly going down the road into who said you said f**k you > said s**t. Plus, their opinions on the campaign won't make the roads any > safer. > Well the occassional flame war is good for the soul. Their opinions on the campaing might make the roads safer. If the campaing actually works and someone is convinced to take part in it because of this discussion then so much the better. While the parties engaged in a flame war may not be swayed you gotta keep in mind that all of this is being played before a rather large audience. I'm willing to bet $100 bucks that no panelist on Crossfire ever had their opinion changed during the show but countless viewers probably have. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 10:07:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5FE7mk10560 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 07:09:05 -0700 Message-ID: <39490D74.BCEB220C@flashmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:08:04 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: zbig@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Interesting artist's conception References: <3948019D.BF763DFE@flashmail.com> <20000614193059.A8856@kleks.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit zbig@XXXXXX wrote: > As a matter of fact, FJ was agreat macine to > stretch chains... > > I want one, in silver/blue... I was at Manassas Honda/Kawasaki today, they had a FJ1100 in the service lot, it was a red/while (maybe black?) combo, not nearly as attractive as the silver/blue. Agreed, it looks like a wonderful bike. Yet another great bike that got the plug pulled by the manufacturer. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 10:08:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5FE89k10570 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5FE81p06464 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:08:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: At Last -- Distractions Diligence In-Reply-To: <200006150949.AA54067740@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Chris Norloff wrote: > No, but the campaign might. What do you think? Actual tickets/real dollars out of my pockets haven't stopped me from speeding. Would a letter do more? We're talking about people who are willing to drive down the road with a newspaper on the steering wheel (or whatever stupid thing they're doing). They're doing this on purpose. Will a letter make them stop and think, "oh, I should no longer read the newspaper while driving. It has the potential of being dangerous..."? Er, doesn't seem too likely. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 10:14:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r13.mx.aol.com (imo-r13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5FEEEk10682 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id c.a2.5c03f32 (3991); Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:13:49 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:13:49 EDT Subject: Re: No MC content....Warning To: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX, toddbpeer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 Simple fix - Caller ID ANY call that comes into my house with unknown caller and number goes to the answering machine. Ditto for anything that looks like a business that I'm not familiar with. I have cordless phones that have caller ID in the display - don't even have to get off my butt ;-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 10:45:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5FEj5k11156 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 07:45:04 -0700 Message-ID: <394915E2.8F92B6C5@flashmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:44:02 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Concours Owners Group Subject: Connie's got the Blues Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Was in the local dealer today, picking up a few things, and stopped to drool over the bikes on the showroom, like always. "What ya ridin?" the sales droid asked me. I told him. "Concours? Want to see what next year's model will look like?" He goes and opens up the brochure, there sits the 2001 Concours in a deep blue, same color as this year's Kawi ZR-7. Yowza! It looked really, really, really good, and contrasted nicely with the gray fairing lowers. Sweet! That bike is gonna sell, I know it. You heard it here first, blue will become a two-year color. My prediction. No, I can't afford it. But I know what color I'm gonna paint Tracy's bike someday (Ouch! Hey, that hurt!) :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 10:58:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c004.sfo.cp.net (c004-h024.c004.sfo.cp.net [209.228.13.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5FEwQk11364 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 8844 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2000 07:58:17 -0700 Date: 15 Jun 2000 07:58:17 -0700 Message-ID: <20000615145817.8843.cpmta@c004.sfo.cp.net> X-Sent: 15 Jun 2000 14:58:17 GMT Received: from [205.229.56.13] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 15 Jun 2000 07:58:17 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: kirk@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.3.1 Subject: RE: At Last -- Distractions Diligence my personal favorite is when I look up in my rear-view mirror to see the car behind me creeping up on me-- then I notice the woman is putting on her makeup or the guy is shaving while looking in their rear-view mirror...now that's intelligence! Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 > > On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Chris Norloff wrote: > > No, but the campaign might. What do you think? > > Actual tickets/real dollars out of my pockets haven't stopped me from > speeding. Would a letter do more? > > We're talking about people who are willing to drive down the road with a > newspaper on the steering wheel (or whatever stupid thing they're > doing). They're doing this on purpose. Will a letter make them stop and > think, "oh, I should no longer read the newspaper while driving. It has > the potential of being dangerous..."? Er, doesn't seem too likely. > > Kirk > 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) > 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) > DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: > http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 11:16:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5FFGTk11666 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va25-02.ix.netcom.com [207.223.162.66]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA18436; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39491E9E.77CABC24@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:21:18 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles , Bannon Wysocki , Jay Ribera , Pete Wysocki , Pete Wysocki Subject: Father's Day brunch ride - weather Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The current weather forecast for this weekend is not looking good (especially on Sunday). Therefore... If it's raining, threatening to rain any minute now, or if the roads are still wet from rain on Saturday, I'm not going to be heading out the door on Sunday morning to lead the Father's Day brunch ride. Call me a wuss, but riding in the rain/wet is not something I enjoy doing! %^) Skittles, aka Chuck From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 11:57:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5FFvFk12224 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:58:19 -0700 Message-ID: <394926DA.B910ADCF@flashmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:56:26 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List , Leon Begeman Subject: Great John Deere Pic :) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From the Mason Dixon 20-20 rally, Leon and his world famous John Deere motorcycle. :) http://MD-20-20.tripod.com/rallypics/2000/Mvc-009f.jpg -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 12:08:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5FG8gk12615 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA14119 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA08370 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15465 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:08:26 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000615120717.00cf4b80@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:08:06 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: bikersrights.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I was poking around the subject site and saw this: COURT DECISIONS: Jan 21, 1999 - Bikers won a major court decision in Virginia when the Virginia helmet law was declared unconstitutional by the Rockingham County Circuit Court on the basis that the statute is void for vagueness. Does anyone know if this is true, or what the ramifications were? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 12:54:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5FGsNk13459 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 132cuD-0002rX-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:54:13 -0700 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:54:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: need a route to Roanoke Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Could someone suggest a good/fun route from DC to Roanoke? Thanks, ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 13:13:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5FHDOk13933 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA27752 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA09800 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va21-40.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.104]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA06567; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:13:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39493A04.58C822F2@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:18:12 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bikersrights.com References: <4.2.0.58.20000615120717.00cf4b80@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike, I heard about this awhile ago (I can't remember where). Anyway, I THINK the ramification is that rulings by the Rockingham County Circuit Court generally set a precedent of some sorts for the entire state of VA. Or something like that. i.e., the ruling supposedly has application to the entire state and not just Rockingham County. But I'm not a lawyer so what do I know??? %^) Skittles, aka Chuck Troutman wrote: > > I was poking around the subject site and saw this: > > COURT DECISIONS: > Jan 21, 1999 - Bikers won a major court decision in Virginia when the > Virginia helmet law was declared unconstitutional by the Rockingham County > Circuit Court on the basis that the statute is void for vagueness. > > Does anyone know if this is true, or what the ramifications were? > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 13:40:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web515.mail.yahoo.com (web515.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5FHe8k16283 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000615174001.20375.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.201] by web515.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:40:01 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:40:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: triple digits on 211 To: Todd Peer , DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You definitely can't do all the corners on 211 at 100+....in fact, you can't do many of them at 100+ (I'm thinking of a few of the downhillers especially). But, I've got $100 that says Collin could average 100+ mph on the way up to the top from the west (easiest) and $50 that he could average 100+ mph on the way up from the east. The second gap on 211 is even quicker than that in both directions.... --- Todd Peer wrote: > From: "DAN KENNEY" > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: triple digits on 211 > Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:03:31 PDT > > I guess you have never ridden 211 with Collin > right?. I saw him ride it on > on "John Deere". He was going faster than that when > we switched and rode my > TLs. > > Dan Kenney > Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s > -------------------------------------------------------- > Sure have. Many times. Quite understand his > propensity for speed. My bone > to pick was that anyone can maintain triple digits > ALL the way up and over > 211. I'm just imagining a rider going by me (while > standing off the side of > the road) at 100mph. I see him as he approaches and > snap my head to follow > him recede. Now, put me in the apex of one of those > tight turns. Uh-uh. > No. > > > Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) > <----------------------------------------> > * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, > * '83 VT500c(sold), > * '92 CB750 (sold), > * '94 XT350 (sold) > * SS1k, FiTe V > * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) > * 152,000 miles and counting > <----------------------------------------> > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 14:02:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web509.mail.yahoo.com (web509.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.224]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5FI2bk17009 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000615180230.17460.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.201] by web509.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:02:30 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:02:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: At Last -- Distractions Diligence To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry Mark K., but I just received this and would like to respond to it.... --- Chris Norloff wrote: > ---------- Original Message > ---------------------------------- > From: Tom Gimer > >I just don't see the point in using a method which, > >according to its own description, is likely to be > >totally ineffective as a deterrent. > > Do you have any data to support that conclusion? > When I spoke with CAPT Tom Bernal of the Fairfax > County Police, who runs the program, he said about a > third of the letters generated positive responses. > Let's hear your data! My data comes from your friggin introduction of the topic. According to YOU, no arrest will be made, but a letter will be sent. What 'positive responses' have come from these letters, or are you going to keep us guessing about this? My bet is the so-called 'positive responses' go something like this: "Jeez, I'm sorry. I'll try not the let it happen again." [later that day, a cellphone rings in the same operator's car] A quick "Hello?" is the almost-certain response. The government's idea of a positive result and reality are two entirely different things. And a 1/3 'success' rate? Talk about patting yourself on the back for a job done pitifully-worse-than-average! > >My earlier > >comment was an attempt to elicit something about > >the hidden benefits of the program..... > > If you actually want information and discussion, > don't say "...who gives a shit about a letter?" in > your first sentence. Why not? I don't actually know of a single person who would give a shit about a letter like that showing up in their mailbox. Oh no! The government has warned me about my dangerous cellphone use, but nothing is to come of the warning. Please. Do you really see this program as a good one, or are you just accepting the word of CAPT Tom Bernal of the Fairfax County Police? Hmm... > There are some people who are trying to make a > change in drivers' behavior. Do you think your > method is better or Fairfax County's method is > better? My method is better because it actually scares people. Fairfax County's method is downright funny. There is ALWAYS a better method than ANY METHOD the government uses. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 14:08:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5FI8ck17101 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000615180831.14853.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.201] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:08:31 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:08:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: At Last -- Distractions Diligence To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles , Todd Peer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Chris Norloff wrote: > ---------- Original Message > ---------------------------------- > From: "Todd Peer" > > > >>> Fairfax County, right? TURN HIM IN! Call > > > >Well I don't feel like a being a little snitch, so > I will stick to my normal > >methods. Read the drivers actions, identify why: > if cell phone or other > >stupidity, blast the Hellas until I've worked it > out of my system...ahhhh, > >that's much better. > > Interesting. What other criminal behavior involving > potential loss of life and property do you feel you > should not report? Oh....it's 'criminal' behavior now, eh? Sounded like a simple negligence action earlier. I tell ya, it's a good thing you aren't in law enforcement....or are you? Let's LOCK UP all the daydreaming, irresponsible drivers now! Yeah, that's the way law enforcement should be headed. > >I agree with Tom though. A letter like this would > >hit the round file quickly. > > Okay, data please. 2/2 in the circular file. "100% of those surveyed said they thought the program was a joke." We actually still haven't heard what you would do if you were to receive such a letter. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Mark From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 14:29:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5FITXk17452 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:30:37 -0700 Message-ID: <39494ABD.6CA44C65@flashmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:29:33 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: cnorloff@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: At Last -- Distractions Diligence References: <20000615180230.17460.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > My method is better because it actually scares people. It certainly scares me. Your "Shaking your fist at and/or verbally berating people" method is probably doing more to cast all of us motorcyclists in a bad light than any good it is doing to the idiot driver in question. Don't get me wrong, I've often wanted to do the same thing. I've actually caught myself wondering if I had enough time to sidestand the bike, hop off, drag some offending motorist out through the driver's door window and justifiably pound him/her into a pulpy mess before the traffic light changed. But I'm getting better, I usually only have those thoughts two or three times a day now. :) > Why not? I don't actually know of a single person who > would give a shit about a letter like that showing up > in their mailbox. I know a few who would be genuinely concerned. But they are screwballs anyway. But have you ever have someone go racing past you on the way to work, rudely cutting you off, then turning into YOUR parking lot? I've had a co-worker or two do this to me, oblivious to the fact that I knew who they were. When confronted later, they seemed really embarassed about it. It seems a lot of drivers think they are nameless, faceless, anonymous, and unaccountable for their actions in their little steel cages. When they get "caught" and identified doing something stupid, even if it's just a letter with no real punishment, it might expand their thinking a little bit. That woman who drives on the FFax County Parkway while reading a paperback (I've seen her! Others too!) might just need a 50 mph collision with a stopped car in front of her to make her come to her diminished senses and start driving safely. Or maybe it will just take a letter or two. Yes, the majority of folks will toss the letter with a laugh. But it lays the groundwork for something later on that may have more consequences. Get 10 letters, maybe you get your license pulled for a while. Big Brother at it's best? Maybe. But I'm gonna copy down that number and go hunting for that paperback reading bitch. It's better than (another) assault charge. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 14:43:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3604.mail.yahoo.com (web3604.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.99]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5FIh0k17742 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000615184248.23513.qmail@web3604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web3604.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:42:48 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:42:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: need a route to Roanoke To: Hugh Caldwell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How long do you want to take to get there? There are many routes there including taking Skyline to the BRP right into town. You can also hit many of the other roads around there to get there some will take longer then others. Glenn --- Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > Could someone suggest a good/fun route from DC to > Roanoke? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 14:46:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from merctech.com (brickhouse1.iad1.sitesmith.com [63.94.228.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5FIkik17838 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:46:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from merctech.com (IDENT:bergman@biber [127.0.0.1]) by merctech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27297 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:45:58 -0400 From: bergman@XXXXXX Message-Id: <200006151845.OAA27297@merctech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.2 06/08/2000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: bergman@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Interesting artist's conception In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:08:04 PDT." <39490D74.BCEB220C@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:45:58 -0400 In your message dated: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:08:04 PDT, your pithy ruminations on were: => zbig@XXXXXX wrote: => => > As a matter of fact, FJ was agreat macine to => > stretch chains... => > => > I want one, in silver/blue... => => I was at Manassas Honda/Kawasaki today, they had a FJ1100 in => the service lot, it was a red/while (maybe black?) combo, not => nearly as attractive as the silver/blue. => => Agreed, it looks like a wonderful bike. Yet another great => bike that got the plug pulled by the manufacturer. Yeah, it was a great bike. As far as getting the "plug pulled by the manufacturer," I think that the Yamaha really doesn't deserve criticism for stopping FJ production. The line was made from 1984 (FJ1100) through 1993 (FJ1200A). That's a really long production run (Harley and BMW, and possibly Guzzi aside), with the emphasis on refinement, rather than wholesale changes under the same model name (Seca, Nighthawk). I think that the FJ line was really killed by European (and US?) regulations the prohibited the air-cooled engine from meeting the noise limits. The US insurance industry had a significant impact on sales as well. For example, in 1993 I was deciding between the FJ1200A and the BMW R1100RSA. Very similar concepts. The sticker price on the FJ was about $4500 less. The annual insurance on the FJ was about $3000 more! At that time, for my demographic profile, insurance on the FJ was about 40% of the purchase price. Can you say "large displacement, high HP sport bike"? Given Yamaha's history of coming up with great concepts (the Vision, GTS) and then not continuing production long enough to sort out the bugs, the FJ stands out in sharp contrast. Mark => => Horkster => => -- => Dale Horstman (the Horkster) => horkster@XXXXXX => Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth => => 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer => 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi Yeah, Kawi is continuing to produce the Concours...but the changes they've made from year to year have been minimal, making the bike less and less "competitive" in the sales arena, while the long production run has lowered costs. Different philosophy. -- Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 14:50:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r12.mx.aol.com (imo-r12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5FIo8k17922 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id l.3a.68506c8 (6964); Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:49:36 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3a.68506c8.267a7f3f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:49:35 EDT Subject: Re: At Last -- Distractions Diligence To: Horkster@XXXXXX, t_gimer@XXXXXX CC: cnorloff@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 102 In a message dated 6/15/00 2:31:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Horkster@XXXXXX writes: > But have you ever have > someone go racing past you on the way to work, rudely > cutting you off, then turning into YOUR parking lot? > I've had a co-worker or two do this to me, oblivious to > the fact that I knew who they were. When confronted > later, they seemed really embarassed about it. This happened to me at AOL last fall... turning onto the road that runs through the AOL campus, there are 2 left turn lanes. I was in the right one, a guy in a volvo in the left. The light turns green, and he proceeds to turn from the left lane to the right lane, ignoring the fact that A) I was there and B) I was laying on the horn (which on the Harley is audible). I had to hit the brakes to avoid being run over. Low and behold, he pulls into the AOL parking lot. (I almost think he figured that going through the gate was going to be his "out" of the situation. He was rather suprised, embarrased, and appolagetic when I pulled in behind him and followed him to where he parked. Of course, I was a bit pissed, and it could just have been fear of getting his head based in by a helmet. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 14:58:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5FIwgk18036 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 132eqU-0002HU-00; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:58:30 -0700 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:58:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dysart@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: need a route to Roanoke In-Reply-To: <20000615184248.23513.qmail@web3604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How about 5 hours? On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Glenn Dysart wrote: > How long do you want to take to get there? There are > many routes there including taking Skyline to the BRP > right into town. You can also hit many of the other > roads around there to get there some will take longer > then others. > > Glenn > > --- Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > > > Could someone suggest a good/fun route from DC to > > Roanoke? > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! > http://photos.yahoo.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 15:04:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3607.mail.yahoo.com (web3607.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5FJ40k18113 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:04:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000615190349.941.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web3607.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:03:49 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:03:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: need a route to Roanoke To: Hugh Caldwell , dysart@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If it were me with that amount of time, I would work my way to the beginning of the BRP at Rockfish Gap and take the BRP into Roanoke. Considering it takes about 3:15 - 3:30 via I-66/I-81 from my place in Animaldale you won't have alot of time to spare @ 5:00 hours. So maybe take US 29 south to US 33 west to VA 810 south to US 250 west to Rockfish gap, jump on the BRP and head south. If you are going into "downtown" Roanoke look for the exit off the BRP for Mill Mountain and follow that road right in downtown. Glenn --- Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > How about 5 hours? > > > On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > How long do you want to take to get there? There > are > > many routes there including taking Skyline to the > BRP > > right into town. You can also hit many of the > other > > roads around there to get there some will take > longer > > then others. > > > > Glenn > > > > --- Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > > > > > Could someone suggest a good/fun route from DC > to > > > Roanoke? > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! > > http://photos.yahoo.com > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 > VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 15:05:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (proxy.mailbank.com [208.49.167.126]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5FJ5Vk18182 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA29140 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:04:52 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000615150129.006fb3b0@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:01:29 -0400 To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: At Last -- Distractions Diligence In-Reply-To: <39494ABD.6CA44C65@flashmail.com> References: <20000615180230.17460.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:29 PM 6/15/00 -0700, Dale Horstman wrote: >Yes, the majority of folks will toss the letter with a >laugh. But it lays the groundwork for something later >on that may have more consequences. Get 10 letters, >maybe you get your license pulled for a while. > I sure as Hell hope not! I'm for sure not a right wing, anti-government type, but I do believe in individual rights, and I do believe in the Constitution (including the Bill of Rights, which I get the feeling most people have never read). We all, even BDCs, have the right to face our accusers. The day the government starts pulling licenses, without due process, on the word of 10 faceless, nameless accusers, just might be the day I become a right wing, anti-government zealot. Think about it this way: there are a whole lot more people out there that DON'T like motorcycles than do. So you're a lot more likely to be on the receiving end of complaints than the giving end. ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 15:06:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3607.mail.yahoo.com (web3607.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5FJ6hk18202 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000615190637.1229.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web3607.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:06:37 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:06:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: At Last -- Distractions Diligence To: Dale Horstman , Tom Gimer Cc: cnorloff@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I can say that I've never had this happen as I'm usually out in front!!! ;-) Glenn --- Dale Horstman wrote: But have you ever have > someone go racing past you on the way to work, > rudely > cutting you off, then turning into YOUR parking lot? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 15:07:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5FJ70k18220 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:08:16 -0700 Message-ID: <3949538E.E45F3DAA@flashmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:07:10 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hugh Caldwell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: need a route to Roanoke References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > How about 5 hours? > > On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > How long do you want to take to get there? There are > > many routes there including taking Skyline to the BRP > > right into town. If you leave really early, and hit Front Royal before 7:00 am, you don't even have to pay for Skyline Drive (provided you don't leave and re-enter later that day). SD/BRP to Roanoke is a lot of fun. Blow a corner? Want to practice your lines? I guarantee you'll see the same corner several times. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 15:08:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5FJ8Yk18230 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:09:51 -0700 Message-ID: <394953EA.65CD8BAB@flashmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:08:42 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dysart@XXXXXX CC: Tom Gimer , cnorloff@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: At Last -- Distractions Diligence References: <20000615190637.1229.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glenn Dysart wrote: > > I can say that I've never had this happen as I'm > usually out in front!!! ;-) So, been getting any letters from Fairfax county lately? :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 15:14:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3607.mail.yahoo.com (web3607.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5FJEck18397 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000615191431.2065.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web3607.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:14:31 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:14:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: At Last -- Distractions Diligence To: Dale Horstman Cc: Tom Gimer , cnorloff@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Never gotten one oddly enough although as Tom and Todd said it would immediately hit the circular file. Maybe I'm going to fast for the other individuals to write it down. ;-) Glenn --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > I can say that I've never had this happen as I'm > > usually out in front!!! ;-) > > So, been getting any letters from Fairfax county > lately? :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 15:15:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web513.mail.yahoo.com (web513.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5FJF5k18489 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000615191456.8137.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.254.20.193] by web513.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:14:55 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:14:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: At Last -- Distractions Diligence To: Dale Horstman Cc: cnorloff@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > My method is better because it actually scares > people. > > It certainly scares me. Your "Shaking your fist at > and/or > verbally berating people" method is probably doing > more to > cast all of us motorcyclists in a bad light than any > good it is doing to the idiot driver in question. Jesus am I tired of hearing about how things make 'motorcyclists as a group' look. The AMA has made so much cash using that line...and it has apparently worked its way into the minds of its members. F the effect on motorcyclists as a group....I'm worried about myself. If some idiot almost kills me because he makes an improper u-turn in front of me while talking on a cell phone, he's gonna hear about it....and he'll regret he ever did it. Trust me on this. I'll leave it to the spineless to call in the tags and have a letter sent out. > Don't get me wrong, I've often wanted to do the same > thing. I've actually caught myself wondering if I > had > enough time to sidestand the bike, hop off, drag > some > offending motorist out through the driver's door > window > and justifiably pound him/her into a pulpy mess > before > the traffic light changed. But I'm getting better, > I > usually only have those thoughts two or three times > a day now. :) "Do you have any evidence that this alleged incident actually took place? No? It wasn't me. Get off my porch." > > Why not? I don't actually know of a single person > > who would give a shit about a letter like that > > showing up in their mailbox. > > I know a few who would be genuinely concerned. But > they are screwballs anyway. Just by your words I'm placing you in the 'circular file' category. By my count we're still at 100%. Let me know if I should read your comments as saying anything else. > But have you ever have > someone go racing past you on the way to work, > rudely > cutting you off, then turning into YOUR parking lot? > > I've had a co-worker or two do this to me, oblivious > to > the fact that I knew who they were. When confronted > later, they seemed really embarassed about it. It > seems > a lot of drivers think they are nameless, faceless, > anonymous, and unaccountable for their actions in > their > little steel cages. When they get "caught" and > identified > doing something stupid, even if it's just a letter > with no > real punishment, it might expand their thinking a > little bit. Which only goes to show why my method is so much better. An actual confrontation gets results. A disregarded (2/3 of the time, according to C.Norloff and the police) letter doesn't. It's as clear as day, isn't it? > Yes, the majority of folks will toss the letter with > a > laugh. But it lays the groundwork for something > later > on that may have more consequences. Get 10 letters, > > maybe you get your license pulled for a while. Not likely. And, I'm concerned with how you seem to condone the wasteful use of taxpayer dollars under the hope that something later may come of the investment. If a MAJORITY (2/3) of the class of people affected by it don't think the program is worthwhile, why is it being followed in the first place? > Big Brother at it's best? Maybe. But I'm gonna > copy down that number and go hunting for that > paperback > reading bitch. It's better than (another) assault > charge. :) My friend, if you use qualifying or limiting words, accompanied by the threat of bodily injury, an assault has not occurred! -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 15:18:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5FJIvk18537 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:20:14 -0700 Message-ID: <39495659.9266C122@flashmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:19:05 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Meyer CC: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: At Last -- Distractions Diligence References: <20000615180230.17460.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.3.32.20000615150129.006fb3b0@pop-server.mgfairfax.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob Meyer wrote: > > I sure as Hell hope not! I'm for sure not a right wing, anti-government > type, but I do believe in individual rights, and I do believe in the > Constitution (including the Bill of Rights, which I get the feeling most > people have never read). We all, even BDCs, have the right to face our > accusers. The day the government starts pulling licenses, without due > process, on the word of 10 faceless, nameless accusers, just might be the > day I become a right wing, anti-government zealot. OK, how about this. Get 10 complaints (or whatever the threshold should be, I think 4 might be enough) in the same general area and maybe the cops set up a little sting operation looking specifically for you, trying to observe the offending behaviour (catch you in the act). If the complaints were bogus - you'll be ok. I see this as a mechanism to inform the cops of patterns of behavior, and to place themselves in a better position to deal with it effectively. (i.e. tell them where and when to look, and they just might see it.) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 15:22:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5FJMmk18796 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:24:05 -0700 Message-ID: <39495745.DF799822@flashmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:23:01 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bergman@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Interesting artist's conception References: <200006151845.OAA27297@merctech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bergman@XXXXXX wrote: > > In your message dated: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:08:04 PDT, > your pithy ruminations on were: > => zbig@XXXXXX wrote: > => > => > As a matter of fact, FJ was agreat macine to > => > stretch chains... > => > > => > I want one, in silver/blue... > => > => I was at Manassas Honda/Kawasaki today, they had a FJ1100 in > => the service lot, it was a red/while (maybe black?) combo, not > => nearly as attractive as the silver/blue. > => > => Agreed, it looks like a wonderful bike. Yet another great > => bike that got the plug pulled by the manufacturer. > > Yeah, it was a great bike. As far as getting the "plug pulled by the > manufacturer," I think that the Yamaha really doesn't deserve criticism for > stopping FJ production. The line was made from 1984 (FJ1100) through 1993 > (FJ1200A). That's a really long production run Yes it was a long production run. I stand humbly corrected. I thought the FJ was only around a couple of years, bumped to 1200 cc's, and then dropped. I guess it was just the GTS that had the short run here in the States. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 15:27:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5FJRWk18875 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000615192721.15318.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.254.20.193] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:27:21 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:27:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: At Last -- Distractions Diligence To: Dale Horstman , Bob Meyer Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yeah....let's use some more man-hours investigating and prosecuting bad drivers. After all, the criminal codes basically enforce themselves. Crime isn't a concern of society anyway.....the real concern is bad driving, padding the government coffers, and increasing insurance company revenue. I love the idea, Dale! ;) --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Bob Meyer wrote: > > > > I sure as Hell hope not! I'm for sure not a right > wing, anti-government > > type, but I do believe in individual rights, and I > do believe in the > > Constitution (including the Bill of Rights, which > I get the feeling most > > people have never read). We all, even BDCs, have > the right to face our > > accusers. The day the government starts pulling > licenses, without due > > process, on the word of 10 faceless, nameless > accusers, just might be the > > day I become a right wing, anti-government zealot. > > OK, how about this. Get 10 complaints (or whatever > the threshold should > be, I think 4 might be enough) in the same general > area and maybe the cops > set up a little sting operation looking specifically > for you, trying to > observe the offending behaviour (catch you in the > act). If the complaints > were bogus - you'll be ok. > > I see this as a mechanism to inform the cops of > patterns of behavior, > and to place themselves in a better position to deal > with it effectively. > (i.e. tell them where and when to look, and they > just might see it.) > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 15:30:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5FJUck18974 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:31:53 -0700 Message-ID: <39495914.D714820A@flashmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:30:44 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: Bob Meyer , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: At Last -- Distractions Diligence References: <20000615192721.15318.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > > Yeah....let's use some more man-hours investigating > and prosecuting bad drivers. After all, the criminal > codes basically enforce themselves. Crime isn't a > concern of society anyway.....the real concern is bad > driving, padding the government coffers, and > increasing insurance company revenue. I love the > idea, Dale! ;) It's a better than busting speeders on empty highways with radar, no? Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 15:34:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5FJYuk19002 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:36:10 -0700 Message-ID: <39495A0B.9932A99B@flashmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:34:51 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: At Last -- Distractions Diligence References: <20000615191456.8137.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > > Just by your words I'm placing you in the 'circular > file' category. By my count we're still at 100%. Let > me know if I should read your comments as saying > anything else. Nope, if I got one letter, I'd trash it and not think much about it. I know I don't drive/ride like an idiot most of the time. :) But if I got several, and they all stemmed from several different occasions, that would give me something to think about. Either I've got a secret admirer with an axe to grind, or maybe my driving *is* getting a bit out of hand. I still think there is value to the program. You don't. Ok, great. Let's go have a beer. :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 15:45:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web509.mail.yahoo.com (web509.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.224]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5FJj0k19201 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000615194451.4111.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.254.20.193] by web509.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:44:51 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:44:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: At Last -- Distractions Diligence To: Dale Horstman Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > Just by your words I'm placing you in the > >'circular > > file' category. By my count we're still at 100%. > > Let > > me know if I should read your comments as saying > > anything else. > > Nope, if I got one letter, I'd trash it and not > think > much about it. I know I don't drive/ride like an > idiot > most of the time. :) But if I got several, and > they > all stemmed from several different occasions, that > would > give me something to think about. Either I've got a > secret admirer with an axe to grind, or maybe my > driving > *is* getting a bit out of hand. > > I still think there is value to the program. You > don't. Ok, great. Let's go have a beer. :) Sounds like a plan....there should actually be a m/c friendly bash in the MD suburbs relatively soon, to which you and Tracy will be invitees. Strangely enough, everyone who attends will differ with me on one topic or another (or all)! Life would be pretty boring otherwise. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 16:43:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5FKh6k21837 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-231.patriot.net [209.249.180.231]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5FKgsF07297; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:42:55 -0400 Message-ID: <39493E50.DC235547@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:36:32 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Favor Needed for AIDS Ride References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062C9E@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep, sure `nuff do. Zip on chaps about that size, me having about a 33/34 waist. That number is adjustable. Bill eve phone 703-256-3115 Mark Kitchell wrote: > Hey, does anyone have a pair of zip on leather pants or chaps (around size > 32-34) that I could borrow for the AIDS Ride. It will be very hot and I > need the ability to zip into shorts for long (4 hour) stints directing > traffic and not riding. > > THANKS! > > Mark From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 18:32:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web904.mail.yahoo.com (web904.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5FMW5k23960 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26826 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jun 2000 22:32:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20000615223202.26825.qmail@web904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [166.90.27.76] by web904.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:32:02 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:32:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: At Last -- Distractions Diligence To: Bob Meyer , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Bob Meyer wrote: We all, even BDCs, have > the right to face our > accusers. The day the government starts pulling > licenses, without due > process, on the word of 10 faceless, nameless > accusers, just might be the > day I become a right wing, anti-government zealot. I have been accused of being a right wing anti-gov't zealot. Pulling your driver's license shouldn't require due process. You aren't being deprived of any of your freedoms when they pull it. It's a privilege that you have to earn. Losing it just puts you back to 'normal.' This is exactly what is done; you lose your license immediately upon being accused of DWI. No facing any acuser, you just lose your license until your court date comes up. I don't see this as any different (I'm not saying it's right, but it isn't different.) Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 18:32:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e5FMWrF23987 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:32:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX using -f Received: from web904.mail.yahoo.com (web904.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5FMW5k23960 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26826 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jun 2000 22:32:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20000615223202.26825.qmail@web904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [166.90.27.76] by web904.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:32:02 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:32:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: At Last -- Distractions Diligence To: Bob Meyer , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Bob Meyer wrote: We all, even BDCs, have > the right to face our > accusers. The day the government starts pulling > licenses, without due > process, on the word of 10 faceless, nameless > accusers, just might be the > day I become a right wing, anti-government zealot. I have been accused of being a right wing anti-gov't zealot. Pulling your driver's license shouldn't require due process. You aren't being deprived of any of your freedoms when they pull it. It's a privilege that you have to earn. Losing it just puts you back to 'normal.' This is exactly what is done; you lose your license immediately upon being accused of DWI. No facing any acuser, you just lose your license until your court date comes up. I don't see this as any different (I'm not saying it's right, but it isn't different.) Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 18:50:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c004.sfo.cp.net (c004-h005.c004.sfo.cp.net [209.228.14.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5FMoGk24423 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:50:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 6979 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2000 15:50:07 -0700 Received: from 1Cust108.tnt2.manassas.va.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.23.125.108) by smtp.peoplepc.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2000 15:50:07 -0700 X-Sent: 15 Jun 2000 22:50:07 GMT Message-ID: <006801bfd71c$fa150180$6c7d173f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: , Subject: Hey Girls! Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:56:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0065_01BFD6FB.70E2A460" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01BFD6FB.70E2A460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To all the gals on the list (sorry guys!): I'd love to organize a day of riding with just us girls. I already know = a few of you are interested, so contact me off the list and let me know = if this is something you'd like to do and we'll get it together.=20 Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01BFD6FB.70E2A460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To all the gals on the list (sorry=20 guys!):
 
I'd love to organize a day of riding = with just us=20 girls.  I already know a few of you are interested, so contact me = off the=20 list and let me know if this is something you'd like to do and we'll get = it=20 together. 
 
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'99 Suzuki = GS500
------=_NextPart_000_0065_01BFD6FB.70E2A460-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 18:50:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e5FMoNq24430 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:50:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX using -f Received: from c004.sfo.cp.net (c004-h005.c004.sfo.cp.net [209.228.14.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5FMoGk24423 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:50:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 6979 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2000 15:50:07 -0700 Received: from 1Cust108.tnt2.manassas.va.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.23.125.108) by smtp.peoplepc.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2000 15:50:07 -0700 X-Sent: 15 Jun 2000 22:50:07 GMT Message-ID: <006801bfd71c$fa150180$6c7d173f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: , Subject: Hey Girls! Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:56:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0065_01BFD6FB.70E2A460" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01BFD6FB.70E2A460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To all the gals on the list (sorry guys!): I'd love to organize a day of riding with just us girls. I already know = a few of you are interested, so contact me off the list and let me know = if this is something you'd like to do and we'll get it together.=20 Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01BFD6FB.70E2A460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To all the gals on the list (sorry=20 guys!):
 
I'd love to organize a day of riding = with just us=20 girls.  I already know a few of you are interested, so contact me = off the=20 list and let me know if this is something you'd like to do and we'll get = it=20 together. 
 
Laura Granato
'99 Suzuki = GS500
------=_NextPart_000_0065_01BFD6FB.70E2A460-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 19:52:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5FNq2k25520 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:52:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 1cust196.tnt3.phoenix.az.da.uu.net [63.14.194.196] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:51:54 -0700 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: girls ride.. Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:53:09 -0700 Message-ID: <000101bfd724$dbc8aee0$c4c20e3f@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 hrm.. ok, I won't join you, but could you post the general route you're thinking of taking? I'd love to just hang back and watch.. *ahem* the lines and riding.. lol - honestly. I think Collin might be inteested too.. :P What say you SSB!! Brian - finally getting out of the 'core' MMI classes tomorrow, woohooo... From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 19:52:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e5FNqZq25527 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:52:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX using -f Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5FNq2k25520 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:52:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 1cust196.tnt3.phoenix.az.da.uu.net [63.14.194.196] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:51:54 -0700 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: girls ride.. Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:53:09 -0700 Message-ID: <000101bfd724$dbc8aee0$c4c20e3f@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 hrm.. ok, I won't join you, but could you post the general route you're thinking of taking? I'd love to just hang back and watch.. *ahem* the lines and riding.. lol - honestly. I think Collin might be inteested too.. :P What say you SSB!! Brian - finally getting out of the 'core' MMI classes tomorrow, woohooo... From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 21:32:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5G1Wck27002 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-109-13.s13.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.109.13] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 132kzr-00046E-00; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:32:35 -0400 Message-ID: <014d01bfd732$fcf03300$0d6daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: Cc: "Randy Moran" References: <39450C13.BC06F4FC@trw.com> Subject: My Re: Summit Point 10,11 June 2000: LONG Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:34:16 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Well, believe it or not, I just got around to reading this post. (It is exam week and last days of the school year...busy, busy, busy) Randy is really being kind, of course he was one of the 2 people in front of me. It was a great weekend though and I really had a blast. I was also in the lightweight solo race where I finished 7th, 2 places out of the $ (of course I didn't even know they have money races for the novice classes not that it would have made a difference) and I was 4th in the formula 1 or 2(?) race. A guy on a Aprilia caught me about 100 feet before the finish line on the last lap. (grrrrrr) I was following two of the slower white plates and trying to get past them for the last 2 1/2 laps and couldn't figure out how. I had watched them into and out of turn 10 and the guy in back kept trying to pass on the inside coming out of 10 so I figured on the last lap that I would go outside and be able to keep my drive and maybe even pass one or both of them, well on the last lap the guy tries the outside as I was heading to the same place so I have to let off a bit and I lost my drive out of the turn, that gave the Aprilia rider the opening he needed. Oh well, I am still learning I hope.:). Saturday was fun, but Sunday was a total blast. I like the shorter more frequent races. I was very happy and have to thank all the racers for all thier input and suggestions. I was able to run 2 of my last 4 laps in the 1:28's so I am getting better and hope to be able to give Randy a little competition eventually. He and Brian were really the class of the lightweight novice fields and had some pretty good battles here and there. Most importantly, it was a relatively safe weekend and none of the local riders went down that I remember. The temps where exhausting and I found that by the last race I was pretty well whipped. Of course I had promised a friend that I would do the track day on Monday with him so I was back out there on Monday as a control rider. Pretty funny huh, I've been racing all of two weekends and I get to be a control rider. Actually Joe from Cycle Sport was really kind to let me do that so I didn't have to pay for the track day. I was exhausted by the end of the day Monday and still feel like I am recovering but I can't wait to get back out there and do it again. Again I want to thank everyone who has been so kind and encouraging. See you all next time. Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (reason VFR is for sale: race bike) www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 P.S. I am getting desperate about trying to sell the VFR, so if anyone knows someone who might be interested, please direct them my way. THANKS! ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Moran To: DC Cycles Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 12:13 PM Subject: Summit Point Race Results - 10,11 June 2000 > The various local racers of the DC-Cycles list had an excellent weekend > of racing at Summit Point. The highlights included the blistering heat, > a new Summit Point track record (Joe Prussiano in the low 1:16s), and, > of particular interest to the list, Brian Roach's dominance of the > lightweight classes on Saturday and Sunday. > > Brian rode to convincing victory in the Lightweight Solo 18, the > D-Superbike, and Formula 2 races. > > Danny Thompson grabbed two third places (Lightweight Twins, D-Superbike) > in his second (?!!) weekend of racing on a mostly stock SV650. He is > rapidly becoming a force to reckoned with. > > Brad Faas and Leonard Roy continued their Lightweight battle, with > Leonard getting the upper hand this time around. Both riders are > progressing rapidly in the early races of their respective careers. > > Fred was out on Saturday for the vintage races and did quite well. > (Sorry, Fred, but I didn't ever get positions.) > > Sean Jordan managed to get his ZX-7 down to 1:35s in his final race of > the day, very respectable for his second weekend. > > I managed 2nd in the Lightweight Solo 18, D-Superbike, Formula 2 races, > 3rd in the Heavyweight Twins, and 1st in Lightweight Twins. > > Hugh Caldwell performed valuable service for the racers, cornerworking > on Saturday and shepherding my sponsors around on Sunday. Hugh, you are > the man! > > Some listers came up on Sunday and said "hi". Please forgive my bad > memory for names. Did I mention it was really hot? > > All in all it was a great weekend. No one crashed, everyone had fun. My > thanks go out to all the listers for their support, companionship, and > encouragement. I hope to see you all at the next race. > > Randy Moran > WERA Novice #696 > http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ > > Sponsored by: > Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA > http://www.speed-werks.com > http://www.cortidesign.com > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 21:33:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e5G1X3t27009 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:33:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX using -f Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5G1Wck27002 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-109-13.s13.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.109.13] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 132kzr-00046E-00; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:32:35 -0400 Message-ID: <014d01bfd732$fcf03300$0d6daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: Cc: "Randy Moran" References: <39450C13.BC06F4FC@trw.com> Subject: My Re: Summit Point 10,11 June 2000: LONG Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:34:16 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Well, believe it or not, I just got around to reading this post. (It is exam week and last days of the school year...busy, busy, busy) Randy is really being kind, of course he was one of the 2 people in front of me. It was a great weekend though and I really had a blast. I was also in the lightweight solo race where I finished 7th, 2 places out of the $ (of course I didn't even know they have money races for the novice classes not that it would have made a difference) and I was 4th in the formula 1 or 2(?) race. A guy on a Aprilia caught me about 100 feet before the finish line on the last lap. (grrrrrr) I was following two of the slower white plates and trying to get past them for the last 2 1/2 laps and couldn't figure out how. I had watched them into and out of turn 10 and the guy in back kept trying to pass on the inside coming out of 10 so I figured on the last lap that I would go outside and be able to keep my drive and maybe even pass one or both of them, well on the last lap the guy tries the outside as I was heading to the same place so I have to let off a bit and I lost my drive out of the turn, that gave the Aprilia rider the opening he needed. Oh well, I am still learning I hope.:). Saturday was fun, but Sunday was a total blast. I like the shorter more frequent races. I was very happy and have to thank all the racers for all thier input and suggestions. I was able to run 2 of my last 4 laps in the 1:28's so I am getting better and hope to be able to give Randy a little competition eventually. He and Brian were really the class of the lightweight novice fields and had some pretty good battles here and there. Most importantly, it was a relatively safe weekend and none of the local riders went down that I remember. The temps where exhausting and I found that by the last race I was pretty well whipped. Of course I had promised a friend that I would do the track day on Monday with him so I was back out there on Monday as a control rider. Pretty funny huh, I've been racing all of two weekends and I get to be a control rider. Actually Joe from Cycle Sport was really kind to let me do that so I didn't have to pay for the track day. I was exhausted by the end of the day Monday and still feel like I am recovering but I can't wait to get back out there and do it again. Again I want to thank everyone who has been so kind and encouraging. See you all next time. Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (reason VFR is for sale: race bike) www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 P.S. I am getting desperate about trying to sell the VFR, so if anyone knows someone who might be interested, please direct them my way. THANKS! ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Moran To: DC Cycles Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 12:13 PM Subject: Summit Point Race Results - 10,11 June 2000 > The various local racers of the DC-Cycles list had an excellent weekend > of racing at Summit Point. The highlights included the blistering heat, > a new Summit Point track record (Joe Prussiano in the low 1:16s), and, > of particular interest to the list, Brian Roach's dominance of the > lightweight classes on Saturday and Sunday. > > Brian rode to convincing victory in the Lightweight Solo 18, the > D-Superbike, and Formula 2 races. > > Danny Thompson grabbed two third places (Lightweight Twins, D-Superbike) > in his second (?!!) weekend of racing on a mostly stock SV650. He is > rapidly becoming a force to reckoned with. > > Brad Faas and Leonard Roy continued their Lightweight battle, with > Leonard getting the upper hand this time around. Both riders are > progressing rapidly in the early races of their respective careers. > > Fred was out on Saturday for the vintage races and did quite well. > (Sorry, Fred, but I didn't ever get positions.) > > Sean Jordan managed to get his ZX-7 down to 1:35s in his final race of > the day, very respectable for his second weekend. > > I managed 2nd in the Lightweight Solo 18, D-Superbike, Formula 2 races, > 3rd in the Heavyweight Twins, and 1st in Lightweight Twins. > > Hugh Caldwell performed valuable service for the racers, cornerworking > on Saturday and shepherding my sponsors around on Sunday. Hugh, you are > the man! > > Some listers came up on Sunday and said "hi". Please forgive my bad > memory for names. Did I mention it was really hot? > > All in all it was a great weekend. No one crashed, everyone had fun. My > thanks go out to all the listers for their support, companionship, and > encouragement. I hope to see you all at the next race. > > Randy Moran > WERA Novice #696 > http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ > > Sponsored by: > Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA > http://www.speed-werks.com > http://www.cortidesign.com > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 21:48:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from links.magenta.com (tansey@XXXXXX [151.199.66.150]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5G1m3k27345 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by links.magenta.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12960 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:41:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Tansey To: DC Cycles Subject: Duplicates Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Anyone else getting doubles of DC Cycles posts? This is the only list I'm getting this from. Shannon "Human beings can take a lot of pain." -Billy Bob Thorton, _Pushing Tin_ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 21:48:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e5G1mIq27352 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:48:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX using -f Received: from links.magenta.com (tansey@XXXXXX [151.199.66.150]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5G1m3k27345 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by links.magenta.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12960 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:41:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Tansey To: DC Cycles Subject: Duplicates Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Anyone else getting doubles of DC Cycles posts? This is the only list I'm getting this from. Shannon "Human beings can take a lot of pain." -Billy Bob Thorton, _Pushing Tin_ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 21:53:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5G1rGk27511 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5G1rCp01448 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:53:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:53:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Duplicates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Tansey wrote: > Anyone else getting doubles of DC Cycles posts? This is the only list I'm > getting this from. yes yes Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 21:53:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e5G1rJm27518 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:53:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX using -f Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5G1rGk27511 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5G1rCp01448 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:53:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:53:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Duplicates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Tansey wrote: > Anyone else getting doubles of DC Cycles posts? This is the only list I'm > getting this from. yes yes Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 21:56:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5G1uPk27604 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-109-13.s13.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.109.13] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 132lMq-0007bt-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:56:20 -0400 Message-ID: <017901bfd736$4e10e880$0d6daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: Subject: Re: Duplicates Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:58:01 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 me two :) Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (reason VFR is for sale: race bike) www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 ----- Original Message ----- From: Kirk Roy To: DC Cycles Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 9:53 PM Subject: Re: Duplicates > On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Tansey wrote: > > Anyone else getting doubles of DC Cycles posts? This is the only list I'm > > getting this from. > > yes yes > > Kirk > 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) > 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) > DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: > http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 21:56:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e5G1uRi27611 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:56:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX using -f Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5G1uPk27604 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-109-13.s13.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.109.13] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 132lMq-0007bt-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:56:20 -0400 Message-ID: <017901bfd736$4e10e880$0d6daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: Subject: Re: Duplicates Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:58:01 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 me two :) Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (reason VFR is for sale: race bike) www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 ----- Original Message ----- From: Kirk Roy To: DC Cycles Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 9:53 PM Subject: Re: Duplicates > On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Tansey wrote: > > Anyone else getting doubles of DC Cycles posts? This is the only list I'm > > getting this from. > > yes yes > > Kirk > 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) > 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) > DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: > http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 22:25:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail3.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe3.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5G2PMk28141 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail3.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:25:09 -0400 From: "Bob Meyer" To: "Leon Begeman" , "Bob Meyer" , Subject: RE: At Last -- Distractions Diligence Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:26:19 -0400 Message-ID: <003701bfd73a$41485e40$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-reply-to: <20000615223202.26825.qmail@web904.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mriderleon@XXXXXX] > I have been accused of being a right wing anti-gov't > zealot. Pulling your driver's license shouldn't > require due process. You aren't being deprived of any > of your freedoms when they pull it. It's a privilege > that you have to earn. Losing it just puts you back > to 'normal.' This is exactly what is done; you lose > your license immediately upon being accused of DWI. > No facing any acuser, you just lose your license until > your court date comes up. I don't see this as any > different (I'm not saying it's right, but it isn't > different.) I disagree with this procedure in the case of DWI, too. But the situation isn't quite the same. After a DWI arrest, you do get the opportunity to face your accuser in court, and if you convince the judge that the ossifer was wrong, you get your paper back. Hell, sometimes you get your paper back even if you admit you were drinking. (That's what happened to the guy who totaled my car a few years ago.) The proposal to yank your license after 10 or so anonymous complaints was providing neither due process nor the ability to challenge your accuser(s). In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 15 22:25:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e5G2PTv28148 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:25:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-digest-request@XXXXXX using -f Received: from mail3.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe3.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5G2PMk28141 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail3.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:25:09 -0400 From: "Bob Meyer" To: "Leon Begeman" , "Bob Meyer" , Subject: RE: At Last -- Distractions Diligence Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:26:19 -0400 Message-ID: <003701bfd73a$41485e40$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-reply-to: <20000615223202.26825.qmail@web904.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mriderleon@XXXXXX] > I have been accused of being a right wing anti-gov't > zealot. Pulling your driver's license shouldn't > require due process. You aren't being deprived of any > of your freedoms when they pull it. It's a privilege > that you have to earn. Losing it just puts you back > to 'normal.' This is exactly what is done; you lose > your license immediately upon being accused of DWI. > No facing any acuser, you just lose your license until > your court date comes up. I don't see this as any > different (I'm not saying it's right, but it isn't > different.) I disagree with this procedure in the case of DWI, too. But the situation isn't quite the same. After a DWI arrest, you do get the opportunity to face your accuser in court, and if you convince the judge that the ossifer was wrong, you get your paper back. Hell, sometimes you get your paper back even if you admit you were drinking. (That's what happened to the guy who totaled my car a few years ago.) The proposal to yank your license after 10 or so anonymous complaints was providing neither due process nor the ability to challenge your accuser(s). In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 16 08:00:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5GC0ak06997 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 08:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5GC0Wp14870 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 08:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 08:00:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Attn: riders....we need your help!!! (fwd) Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 04:59:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Hintemeyer Subject: Attn: riders....we need your help!!! To all ATVers, MXers and people that just like to get dirty.... The Prince William Off Road Coalition (PWORC)needs your help. We recently concluded our task force in the county to try to get an off road park in Prince William County. The task force will present its official report to the board of supervisors on June 27 @ 7:30 pm at the McCourt Building. If there is anyway possible that you and anyone you know can attend this meeting wearing a jersey, shirt or hat related to off roading it would be greatly appreciated. We need numbers (massive amount of people) to show support for our side. The group opposing our efforts is very strong politically and we need to show we have more of a backing than they do. I know I am probably out of line asking, but we are down to the wire on this thing. Crunch time you might say. I believe there will be announcements on the pa system at Budds Creek during the upcoming weekend. (Thank you Mr. Beasley). You wont have to get up and speak or anything we just need supportive bodies to fill the board chambers and any other part of the county building that we will hopefully over flow into. This off road facility will/would ( when we make this happen) be open to people everywhere, Va Md DC doesnt matter there are no residential restrictions incorporated in the documentation that will be presented. This is a good thing for all of us. For those you are unfamiliar with this proposed off road park, in short, we (PWORC & task force) 1- have established that there is a need for a facility like this in the county. 2- suggested that the facility be built at the county landfill, this phase of the landfill we are intersted in wont see any use for atleast 20-25 years. It's just several hundred acres of wooded rolling terrain just sitting there untouched. Since the land is owned by the county no land purchase is required. The McCoart building is on Prince William Parkway, between Old Bridge & Hoadly Road. Look for the big water tank that says Prince William Government Center. It is the red brick building on the left. If you need further directions, don't hesitate to ask! Also, I believe that the time (7:30pm) is tentative and may change. I will contact you folks again if the time changes. Sincerely, Dave __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 16 08:05:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r13.mx.aol.com (imo-r13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5GC5Kk07066 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 08:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.1e.6ac549b (8417) for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 08:05:13 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1e.6ac549b.267b71f9@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 08:05:13 EDT Subject: Re: Duplicates To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 In a message dated 6/15/00 21:49:14 Eastern Daylight Time, tansey@XXXXXX writes: > Anyone else getting doubles of DC Cycles posts? This is the only list I'm > getting this from. > > Shannon Yup Yup Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 16 09:37:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law-f162.hotmail.com [209.185.131.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5GDbLk08273 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 92479 invoked by uid 0); 16 Jun 2000 13:37:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20000616133713.92478.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 06:37:13 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Duplicates Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 06:37:13 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Is there an echo in here...? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 16 09:44:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5GDiek08399 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006161344.e5GDiek08399@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id m.cb.6b98e83 (15898); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web41.aolmail.aol.com (web41.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.2]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v74.10) with ESMTP; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:43:54 -0400 Date: Fri Jun 16 09:43:54 2000 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Duplicates To: Cc: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep. Scooter Yep. Scooter ;-) In a message dated Thu, 15 Jun 2000 9:49:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Tansey writes: << Anyone else getting doubles of DC Cycles posts? This is the only list I'm getting this from. Shannon "Human beings can take a lot of pain." -Billy Bob Thorton, _Pushing Tin_ >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 16 10:00:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5GE0dk08671 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:00:28 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062CAF@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Laura Granato'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, michelle.kaston@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Hey Girls! Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:53:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain I will be there. ((-: Marcelle Kitchell > -----Original Message----- > From: Laura Granato [SMTP:lgranato@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 6:57 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; michelle.kaston@XXXXXX > Subject: Hey Girls! > > To all the gals on the list (sorry guys!): > > I'd love to organize a day of riding with just us girls. I already know a > few of you are interested, so contact me off the list and let me know if > this is something you'd like to do and we'll get it together. > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 16 10:22:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5GEM8k09030 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va8-33.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.225]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA27001; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <394A635C.A831D504@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:26:52 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Hey Girls! References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062CAF@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's because you are a girly-man rider! %^) Mark Kitchell wrote: > > I will be there. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 16 10:45:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from zaphod.smartbrief.com (IDENT:qmailr@[216.200.101.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5GEjlk09402 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4913 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2000 14:40:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smartbrief.com) (216.200.101.98) by 192.168.1.1 with SMTP; 16 Jun 2000 14:40:25 -0000 Message-ID: <394A3E76.A5FA6D1@smartbrief.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:49:26 -0400 From: Zachariah Mully Organization: SmartBrief.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Steve Rapp Crash Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For all of you out there Speedvisionless... http://hakkoryu.cyril.com/rapp-crash.rm you'll need realplayer for it... Damn nice stoppie ;) Zack From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 16 11:18:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f237.hotmail.com [216.32.181.237]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5GFIWk09942 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:18:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12847 invoked by uid 0); 16 Jun 2000 15:18:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20000616151824.12846.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 151.200.135.241 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 08:18:24 PDT X-Originating-IP: [151.200.135.241] From: "Deitra L. Jackson" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Who Do You Know Who Tows Bikes? Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:18:24 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Help! I need to have my motorcycle towed (this weekend if possible)from a residential street in Temple Hills, MD to a shop near the zoo in D.C. to be worked on. Can anybody recommend someone and their rates? Thank you in advance! Deitra L. Jackson aka ProudMom Lady Hawks M/C of MD 1989 Suzuki GS500E aka DreamWeaver AMA #681266 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 16 16:06:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5GK6Qk14242 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cdzmdimsin2.circle.com ([205.229.56.79]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA09867 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:46:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cdzmdimsin2.circle.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:45:17 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Granato, Laura" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: re: steve rapp crash Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:42:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" just talked to a friend of mine.... wanna hear what happened after the stoppie?? "That's Steve Rapp hitting the back of John Kocinski's bike at Road America last weekend. The wreck caused the race to be restarted after they took time to clear up bike parts. Rapp re-started from the back of the grid and finished 8th." Damn! >From: Singh, Ram >Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 1:32 PM >To: Barlow, Chris; Kaston, Michelle >Subject: Link to cwazy race footage... > >Check it...I got the following from Laura. Doesn't look like any >freakin' "stoppie" I ever did (Thank God!). > >...ram... > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 16 16:17:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5GKHqk14386 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cweaver (natpool0.1.vantas.net [12.17.21.129] (may be forged)) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA25895 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Chris Weaver" To: Subject: New Email Address Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:19:52 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bfd7d0$3b572700$06026e0a@vitalspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 For those of you who may want to contact me (however few of those there may be) my email account has changed. Please see below for the correct information. Email is still accepted at my Yahoo account also, at chris_vtr@XXXXXX. Thanks, and I apologize for the bandwidth waste if this means nothing to you. Chris Weaver Graphic Designer Medical Internet Solutions, Inc. Chris.Weaver@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 16 16:39:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5GKdNk14724 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-109-109.s109.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.109.109] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 1332td-0002Lt-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:39:21 -0400 Message-ID: <006401bfd7d3$3003f420$6d6daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: Injured riders fund dinner tonight Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:41:01 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Anyone else going? Anyone have any idea about dress? (as in casual, formal, etc.) Thanks Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (reason VFR is for sale: race bike) www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 16 17:07:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3202.mail.yahoo.com (web3202.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5GL7Ck15154 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000616210533.29866.qmail@web3202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.188.47.203] by web3202.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:05:33 PDT Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:05:33 -0700 (PDT) From: JEM Racing Subject: Re: Injured riders fund dinner tonight To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-1025202362-961189533=:29010" --0-1025202362-961189533=:29010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Note: forwarded message attached. ===== Jonathan Broga JEM Racing CCS #502 Sponsored By: http://www.centurypool.com http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.elfmoto.com http://www.loudounmotorsports.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ --0-1025202362-961189533=:29010 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from [204.188.47.203] by web3204.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:04:53 PDT Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:04:53 -0700 (PDT) From: JEM Racing Subject: Re: Injured riders fund dinner tonight To: Danny Thompson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 756 I'm going, and wearing the sloppy ass clothes I usually wear. --- Danny Thompson wrote: > Anyone else going? Anyone have any idea about dress? > (as in casual, formal, > etc.) > Thanks > Danny > '99 VFR (for sale) > '99 SV (reason VFR is for sale: race bike) > www.onewayracing.org > > Sponsored by: > Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free > @ 888-743-6825 > Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 > > ===== Jonathan Broga JEM Racing CCS #502 Sponsored By: http://www.centurypool.com http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.elfmoto.com http://www.loudounmotorsports.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ --0-1025202362-961189533=:29010-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 16 19:37:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5GNbCk17598 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-131-79.s79.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.131.79] helo=todd) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 1335fi-0002zn-00; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:37:10 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: , , Subject: RE: No MC content....Warning Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:30:26 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bfd7ea$d9fb2fe0$4f83a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: > -----Original Message----- > From: MJordan666@XXXXXX [mailto:MJordan666@XXXXXX] > > Simple fix - Caller ID > > ANY call that comes into my house with unknown caller and number > goes to the > answering machine. > > Ditto for anything that looks like a business that I'm not familiar with. > > I have cordless phones that have caller ID in the display - don't > even have > to get off my butt ;-) > > Michael J. Well great. Now I have to pay the phone company what I won't a telemarketer. Telemarketing is the door-to-door sales force of today. There was a time a little rock salt in a shotgun, or a big grisley(sp) dog was all it took to keep these dorks out of your life and business. Caller ID is too passive. I want to be able to send an electric bolt of around 120volts down the line to the bastard at the other end ;-) Todd From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 16 19:37:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5GNbCk17597 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-131-79.s79.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.131.79] helo=todd) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 1335fg-0002zn-00; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:37:08 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Jay St. Peter" , Subject: RE: No MC content....Warning Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:30:24 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bfd7ea$d8ddd900$4f83a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: > -----Original Message----- > From: Jay St. Peter [mailto:jay.stpeter@XXXXXX] > > Todd, > > I once bought some jelly from a police officer. He personally > delivered it > along with a sticker to put on my car. He was a really nice guy and real > cop. > > However, that got me on the police association sucker list. Yup! I've given a couple of times to the fraternal order of police and the locals. I figured the pace and frequency was directly related. They get no more via this route from me. Todd From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 16 19:57:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5GNvKk17899 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-131-79.s79.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.131.79] helo=todd) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 1335zB-0006Fs-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:57:18 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: At Last -- Distractions Diligence Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:50:33 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bfd7ed$a9b9a480$4f83a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal From: Mark Kitchell To: "'cnorloff@XXXXXX'" , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX, Tom Gimer Subject: RE: At Last -- Distractions Diligence Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:10:45 -0400 Please guys, take this off list! Mark __________________________________________ Oh, WAAAaa! Why? This is perfect forum to air some gripes about things like idiot drivers and remedies. Chris seems to think talking on a phone is "criminal". I don't. So what? You ride your ride, you takes your risks. Just be aware of this stupidity is all I'm saying. Ride defensively. The last thing I want (next to someone boohooing about this discussion) is to see people become a bunch of nazi-snitches for this crap. If it were a crime, why aren't people being cited? Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, * '83 VT500c(sold), * '92 CB750 (sold), * '94 XT350 (sold) * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 152,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 16 20:01:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5H01Gk17983 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:01:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id m.84.6b9b8c2 (3975); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:00:55 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <84.6b9b8c2.267c19b7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:00:55 EDT Subject: Re: No MC content....Warning To: toddbpeer@XXXXXX, MJordan666@XXXXXX, jay.stpeter@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 6/16/00 7:39:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, toddbpeer@XXXXXX writes: > Caller ID is too passive. > I want to be able to send an electric bolt of around 120volts down the line > to the bastard at the other end ;-) Get caller ID, write down the number. Punch it into an autodialer on your PC. Let it rip with a 2 second cycle time. :) -Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 16 20:17:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5H0HXk18210 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-131-79.s79.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.131.79] helo=todd) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 1336Ik-00015b-00; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:17:31 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: , , , Subject: RE: No MC content....Warning Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:10:47 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bfd7f0$7c962200$4f83a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <84.6b9b8c2.267c19b7@aol.com> Now THAT sounds like fun. > -----Original Message----- > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [mailto:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 8:01 PM > To: toddbpeer@XXXXXX; MJordan666@XXXXXX; jay.stpeter@XXXXXX; > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: No MC content....Warning > > > In a message dated 6/16/00 7:39:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > toddbpeer@XXXXXX writes: > > > Caller ID is too passive. > > I want to be able to send an electric bolt of around 120volts > down the line > > to the bastard at the other end ;-) > > Get caller ID, write down the number. Punch it into an autodialer > on your PC. > Let it rip with a 2 second cycle time. > > :) > > -Roach > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 16 20:17:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5H0Hjk18220 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-131-79.s79.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.131.79] helo=todd) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 1336Ix-00018O-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:17:44 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: More MD20-20 pics Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:11:00 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bfd7f0$84c52a20$4f83a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Go here to get an idea of my image. I'm on the right in the first pic, and that's Craig Johnston on the left. http://md-20-20.tripod.com/rallypics/2000/Mvc-017f.jpg http://md-20-20.tripod.com/rallypics/2000/Mvc-019f.jpg Just thought you all should be able to put a face to the name ;-) BTW. I don't know if I posted anything about the rally and seeing how I tried to hype it I should. It was great! Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, * '83 VT500c(sold), * '92 CB750 (sold), * '94 XT350 (sold) * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 152,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 16 21:09:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5H195k18896 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-184-159.s159.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.184.159] helo=wskirt) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 13376d-0001B4-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:09:04 -0400 Message-ID: <014e01bfd7f8$a4da62a0$c904fea9@wskirt> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <20000615180230.17460.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> <39494ABD.6CA44C65@flashmail.com> Subject: Re: At Last -- Distractions Diligence Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:09:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I know this feeling. Almost did it to a teenager in a brand new VW VR6 late last year when he hit my elbow with something (hand or his driver's side mirror) while passing me and LAUGHING. Chased him down, caught him at a light with a truck in front of him, got off and proceeded to wipe the grin off his face by scaring the shit out of him. I was screaming at him, punching the window, headbutting the window, etc. Those VW windows are strong. Bloodied my knuckles THROUGH my gloves. Had I broken the window he would've have been out on the ground and getting kicked to the curb. I know it seems a little crazy, but when he hit my elbow, I countersteered HARD and would've gone down into oncoming traffic. I don't take intentional threats to my life lightly... Kirt > Don't get me wrong, I've often wanted to do the same > thing. I've actually caught myself wondering if I had > enough time to sidestand the bike, hop off, drag some > offending motorist out through the driver's door window > and justifiably pound him/her into a pulpy mess before > the traffic light changed. But I'm getting better, I > usually only have those thoughts two or three times a > day now. :) > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 16 21:10:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5H1AIk18909 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-184-159.s159.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.184.159] helo=wskirt) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 13377o-0001Tm-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:10:17 -0400 Message-ID: <017401bfd7f8$d06e1600$c904fea9@wskirt> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <000101bfd724$dbc8aee0$c4c20e3f@tra> Subject: Re: girls ride.. Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:10:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 me too me too :-) Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian McCoy" To: Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 7:53 PM Subject: girls ride.. > hrm.. ok, I won't join you, but could you post the general route you're > thinking of taking? I'd love to just hang back and watch.. *ahem* the > lines and riding.. lol - honestly. I think Collin might be inteested too.. > :P > > What say you SSB!! > > Brian - finally getting out of the 'core' MMI classes tomorrow, woohooo... > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 16 23:43:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5H3hTk21045 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA22066; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:43:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007401bfd80e$5d21c820$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas_Zell" To: "Danny Thompson" , References: <006401bfd7d3$3003f420$6d6daccf@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Injured riders fund dinner tonight Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:44:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sorry that we missed you folks. Jeannette and I were out at a breeder friend's kennel to pick out a new puppy since Zeus died last weekend. We ended up out there all day (about two hours away from home) and couldn't make it back in time. Tom '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danny Thompson" To: Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 4:41 PM Subject: Injured riders fund dinner tonight > Anyone else going? Anyone have any idea about dress? (as in casual, formal, > etc.) > Thanks > Danny > '99 VFR (for sale) > '99 SV (reason VFR is for sale: race bike) > www.onewayracing.org > > Sponsored by: > Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 > Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 16 23:47:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web314.mail.yahoo.com (web314.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5H3lok21124 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000617034742.23009.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.200.42.23] by web314.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:47:42 PDT Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:47:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Paging Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Brian, Sent you an email today about dirt riding tomorrow... but obviously I mistyped it or something as it bounced... We're planning on leaving here at 0900 (ver roughly :)) tomorrow morning...drop a reply back tonight if you're up.. I'll be on a bit longer... CT ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 17 02:39:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from merctech.com (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [63.23.125.93]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5H6dNk23682 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 02:39:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from merctech.com (IDENT:bergman@biber [127.0.0.1]) by merctech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA14803 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 02:39:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200006170639.CAA14803@merctech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.2 06/08/2000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: bergman@XXXXXX Subject: Re: At Last -- Distractions Diligence In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:09:09 EDT." <014e01bfd7f8$a4da62a0$c904fea9@wskirt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <14799.961223957.1@XXXXXX> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 02:39:17 -0400 From: Mark Bergman In your message dated: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:09:09 EDT, your pithy ruminations on were: => I know this feeling. Almost did it to a teenager in a brand new VW VR6 late => last year when he hit my elbow with something (hand or his driver's side => mirror) while passing me and LAUGHING. Chased him down, caught him at a => light with a truck in front of him, got off and proceeded to wipe the grin => off his face by scaring the shit out of him. I was screaming at him, => punching the window, headbutting the window, etc. Those VW windows are => strong. Bloodied my knuckles THROUGH my gloves. Had I broken the window he => would've have been out on the ground and getting kicked to the curb. I know => it seems a little crazy, but when he hit my elbow, I countersteered HARD and => would've gone down into oncoming traffic. I don't take intentional threats => to my life lightly... Let me see if I've got this straight...someone attempts vehicular manslaughter upon you, while they are in a 3000lb steel cage, and you think that confronting him physically is a good choice? I know it seems satisfying, but let's run through some scenarios here: 1. You attempt to chase the guy down and crash 2. You attempt to chase the guy down and he hits you 3. You chase the guy down, get off the bike, confront him, and he hits you with his car 4. You chase the guy down, get off the bike, confront him, and he hits your bike with his car as he drives away 5. You chase the guy down, get off the bike, confront him, and he shoots you in self defense 6. You chase the guy down, break his window, drag him out of his car, throw him on the ground and kick him to the curb...thereby committing assault in front of witnesses The "best case" that I see for you is just what happened...you got a certain amount of satisfaction, hopefully scared the driver so they won't do this again, and you're not in jail, in the hospital, paying for a crashed bike, or worse. Not great odds in my book. I've had people deliberately try to run me off the road when I was following them after they offended me in traffic. I've had one driver pull a gun on me in traffic. I've had people try to hit me with their car after I pulled up next to them at a light and got off the bike, etc. I think I stand a better chance of surviving by spotting the dangerous drivers in advance, and avoiding the aggressive nuts when something does happen, not by continuing confrontations if they happen. Mark => => Kirt ------ Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 17 07:40:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5HBeAk00183 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 07:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id m.35.6a50667 (4416); Sat, 17 Jun 2000 07:39:38 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <35.6a50667.267cbd7a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 07:39:38 EDT Subject: Re: No MC content....Warning To: toddbpeer@XXXXXX, jay.stpeter@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 In a message dated 6/16/00 19:37:31 Eastern Daylight Time, toddbpeer@XXXXXX writes: > Well great. Now I have to pay the phone company what I won't a > telemarketer. Being the inquisitive type, I had Caller ID anyway - this just helps justify (rationalize?) the expense. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 17 09:53:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r13.mx.aol.com (imo-r13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5HDr8k01815 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from KGruell@XXXXXX by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.f8.49bc9 (4422) for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:52:56 -0400 (EDT) From: KGruell@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:52:56 EDT Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 06/16/00 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 70 Are there any organized rides going out on Sunday, 6-18-00? From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 17 13:48:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5HHmLk04934 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 13:48:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-50-218.s472.tnt7.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.50.218] helo=wskirt) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 133Mhe-0004Zx-00; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 13:48:19 -0400 Message-ID: <001501bfd884$36490120$c904fea9@wskirt> From: "Kirt S." To: , Subject: booted? Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 13:48:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 no need for reply...I'll know when I don't get these e-mails back... Kirt 99 F4 From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 17 13:53:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5HHr2k05022 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 13:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-50-218.s472.tnt7.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.50.218] helo=wskirt) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 133MmD-00051F-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 13:53:01 -0400 Message-ID: <002901bfd884$deb12fe0$c904fea9@wskirt> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <001501bfd884$36490120$c904fea9@wskirt> Subject: or not... Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 13:52:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I missed everything starting last night around 9:30 (I fucking hate erol's internet), anything good happen? Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirt S." To: ; Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 1:48 PM Subject: booted? > no need for reply...I'll know when I don't get these e-mails back... > > Kirt > 99 F4 > > > From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 17 15:18:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5HJIXk06134 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 15:18:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va12-08.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.72]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA32750; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 15:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <394BF9B4.84AEC188@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 15:20:36 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chris.weaver@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Email Address References: <000001bfd7d0$3b572700$06026e0a@vitalspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Chris... I care! %^) Skittles, aka Chuck Chris Weaver wrote: > > For those of you who may want to contact me (however few of those there may > be) my email account has changed. Please see below for the correct > information. Email is still accepted at my Yahoo account also, at > chris_vtr@XXXXXX. > > Thanks, and I apologize for the bandwidth waste if this means nothing to > you. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 17 15:26:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5HJQ6k06213 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 15:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va12-08.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.72]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA07304; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 15:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <394BFB79.11B68B01@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 15:28:09 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Father's Day brunch ride - latest weather Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DC-Cycle'ers... I am hoping the weather cooperates tomorrow for the Father's Day brunch ride, but (right now) it's not looking very promising. According to the latest forecast on The Weather Channel: rain/t'storms tonight and 60% chance tomorrow. I won't be riding if: a) it's raining b) it's threatening to rain real soon c) the roads are wet Keep your fingers crossed that the weather forecasters don't have it right! %^) Skittles, aka Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 17 17:52:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5HLqvk08016 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 17:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phn-az31-22.rasserver.net [198.211.106.22] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 14:52:52 -0700 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re: At Last -- Distractions Diligence Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 14:52:52 -0700 Message-ID: <000401bfd8a6$632122f0$166ad3c6@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal I like more passive agression.. when I was making the treck from College Park, MD to Ft. Belvoir, VA daily for work.. I carried a tube of BBs stuck to the tank with a magnet.. someone did something stupid, you just get infront of them, drop the BBs and then depart by whatever means needed. a few hundred *CRACKS* hitting the car, usually resulting in chipped paint or cracked windows really wakes a driver up. For a more personalized option, pull up next to the car and spray the nastiest chain lube you can fine on their windows.. doesn't do anything but impeed their seeing - if they can't see ya, kinda hard to hit ya. *ahem* then there's the ASP baton that's quite illegal, but works nicely to alert BDCs (lol, any of you network guys ever read that as a Backup Domain Controler?). er.. but I'm a nice rider.. I wouldn't EVER do something agressive Now (not in this 110 degree weather, where every driver on the road is pissed off). I actually just get out of the way.. I tend to pull onto the shoulder and slow down DRASTICALLY at least once a day.. this is from being hounded at about 75 (20 over the limit). Driving isn't all that much different in Pheonix as compaired to the DC Beltway.. fewer potholes. Brian *shrug* From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 18 00:31:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5I4V3k13153 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 00:31:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-184-92.s92.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.184.92] helo=wskirt) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 133Wjb-00000Q-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 00:31:00 -0400 Message-ID: <009c01bfd8de$06069fe0$c904fea9@wskirt> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <200006170639.CAA14803@merctech.com> Subject: Re: At Last -- Distractions Diligence Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 00:31:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I assure you, I know what I did was dumb, and my hands hurt a lot afterwards. But, he was a kid, and I was virtually "seeing red" with rage at what he had done, I could taste the adrenaline in the back of my throat...99% of it was reaction. I don't regret it, but I *am* grateful I'm still alive. The little semi-rational thought that went through my head was "brights on, park behind him where he can't easily hit me or the bike, approach car from rear and side where I can see his hands...". There was a truck in front of him, and the gear I had on (all black aerostich, helmet, gloves and boots) made me virtually "faceless". > The "best case" that I see for you is just what happened...you got a certain > amount of satisfaction, hopefully scared the driver so they won't do this > again, and you're not in jail, in the hospital, paying for a crashed bike, or > worse. Not great odds in my book. I agree... > > I've had people deliberately try to run me off the road when I was following > them after they offended me in traffic. me too > > I've had one driver pull a gun on me in traffic. me too, but a knife instead of a gun > > I've had people try to hit me with their car after I pulled up next to them at > a light and got off the bike, etc. not yet (thankfully) > > I think I stand a better chance of surviving by spotting the dangerous drivers > in advance, and avoiding the aggressive nuts when something does happen, not by > continuing confrontations if they happen. current MO for me on the bike...with some creative finger gestures on my part at appropriate times... Kirt From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 18 15:30:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from meer.meer.net (meer.meer.net [140.174.164.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5IJUZk24890 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 15:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from markandbonnie.com (pm3b-81.elkins.meer.net [216.206.137.81]) by meer.meer.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/meer) with ESMTP id MAA2342302 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <394D294D.A23C7582@markandbonnie.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 16:07:44 -0400 From: mark Reply-To: mark@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Update on West Virginia Ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Update for y'all for the West Virginia Ride... we're calling it the "Mountain Highlands Motorcycle Mystery Tour" • We have lodging arranged for two nights • Looks like it's going to be limited to 50 folks • We will have two groups... the "bat out of hells" and the "wow, look at the scenery" folks • Got some surprise activities planned exclusive to the group (don't worry, most the time is riding) • All meals will be included • The ride will be the second weekend in September. • The roads were made for cycles... and we have picked the best of the best. • Bottom line is to have a good experience and a lot of fun. C'ya Mark Branciaroli Elkins, West Virginia From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 18 17:28:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5ILSqk26407 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 17:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va10-42.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.170]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA16876 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 17:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <394D69C2.9B74A1C0@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 17:30:58 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Father's Day brunch ride - report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The weather decided to cooperate so the Father's Day brunch ride went as advertised. A small-ish group left from the Exxon in G'town (at the bottom of "The Exorcist" stairs) -- myself, Herb (on a Magna), Curt (sp? on a Sabre), Mark Kitchell w/pillion Ariel (sp?), and Sajeeb (not on the list, but riding an R1 and a racer who knows "the Roach"). We hooked up with Rob (VFR) at Staub's out in Beallsville. I was expecting some other folks to show up, but... All in all, a fun little ride. Nothing dramatic happened. No mishaps. No tickets. Everyone rode really well. BTW, Sajeeb is a really good rider and he was gracious enough to put up riding behind me since I knew where we were going and he didn't! %^) Some of the roads early on in the ride were a little on the damp side. We went fast in spots, but for the most part the pace was pretty relaxed/civilized. We got stuck behind 2 guys on Harleys/cruisers for a little bit on the way out on MacArthur Boulevard. They were totally oblivious to the fact that we were behind them and that they were holding us up (as they putzed along at ~25 mph), riding staggered and taking up the whole lane. Don't know how they couldn't have known since I was riding such that they couldn't miss me if they ever bothered to look in their rearview mirrors. Similar encounter on the way back on MacArthur coming down the hill to Old Angler's Inn. Some guy on what looked to be a Ducati Monster (some sort of twin, I think) who was all over the road and riding extremely slowly. Brunch at Polly's was a lot of fun. Good ride. Good company. Good food. Can't ask for too much more on a Sunday! We'll definitely do it again. Cheers, Skittles, aka Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 18 18:51:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5IMpak27490 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 18:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-22.patriot.net [209.249.181.22]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5IMpVZ16664; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 18:51:32 -0400 Message-ID: <394D50F6.C6EE3330@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 18:45:10 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Charles V. Pena" CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Father's Day brunch ride - report References: <394D69C2.9B74A1C0@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any fathers on this ride? Just asking, like one of my youthful traditions was to head for the South Carolina beachs for Mother's Day weekend - to make mothers, of course!!! HAHAHAHA... just kidding - honest! Least that's what I told my intended wife when she asked me where I was going that weekend. Never made it that year - took about four days for my eyeballs to regain focus after she clocked me up the side of my head. Bill Charles V. Pena wrote: > The weather decided to cooperate so the Father's Day brunch ride went as > advertised. A small-ish group left from the Exxon in G'town (at the > bottom of "The Exorcist" stairs) -- myself, Herb (on a Magna), Curt (sp? > on a Sabre), Mark Kitchell w/pillion Ariel (sp?), and Sajeeb (not on the > list, but riding an R1 and a racer who knows "the Roach"). We hooked up > with Rob (VFR) at Staub's out in Beallsville. I was expecting some > other folks to show up, but... > > All in all, a fun little ride. Nothing dramatic happened. No mishaps. > No tickets. Everyone rode really well. BTW, Sajeeb is a really good > rider and he was gracious enough to put up riding behind me since I knew > where we were going and he didn't! %^) Some of the roads early on in > the ride were a little on the damp side. We went fast in spots, but for > the most part the pace was pretty relaxed/civilized. We got stuck > behind 2 guys on Harleys/cruisers for a little bit on the way out on > MacArthur Boulevard. They were totally oblivious to the fact that we > were behind them and that they were holding us up (as they putzed along > at ~25 mph), riding staggered and taking up the whole lane. Don't know > how they couldn't have known since I was riding such that they couldn't > miss me if they ever bothered to look in their rearview mirrors. > Similar encounter on the way back on MacArthur coming down the hill to > Old Angler's Inn. Some guy on what looked to be a Ducati Monster (some > sort of twin, I think) who was all over the road and riding extremely > slowly. > > Brunch at Polly's was a lot of fun. Good ride. Good company. Good > food. Can't ask for too much more on a Sunday! We'll definitely do it > again. > > Cheers, > Skittles, aka Chuck > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 18 19:44:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5INi9k28220 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 19:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 19:43:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200006181943.AA158925230@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: At Last -- Distractions Diligence X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Kirt S." >I know this feeling. Almost did it to a teenager in a brand new VW VR6 late >last year when he hit my elbow with something (hand or his driver's side >mirror) while passing me and LAUGHING. ... > but when he hit my elbow, I countersteered HARD and >would've gone down into oncoming traffic. I don't take intentional threats >to my life lightly... So if a cell-phone wielding car driver can get a bunch of motorcyclists ticketed for "reckless driving", can a motorcyclist get a car driver ticketed for reckless driving? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 18 20:24:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from boo-mda02.boo.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [216.200.67.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5J0OUk28729 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 20:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp-boonet2-92.boo.net (ppp-boonet2-92.boo.net [208.184.99.92]) by boo-mda02.boo.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA09723; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 19:24:12 -0400 Received: by ppp-boonet2-92.boo.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BFD962.9F2E5760@XXXXXX>; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 20:20:19 -0400 Message-ID: <01BFD962.9F2E5760@ppp-boonet2-92.boo.net> From: Janey Cohen To: "'cvkgpena@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Father's Day Ride/No Time to Ride Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 20:19:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e5J0Ohk28730 Chuck, sorry I missed the ride. I ended up working most of the weekend. Damn job. It's getting in the way of quality riding time! I'm sure most people on the list can relate to this phenomena: If it's not work, it's family commitments, or school, or life in general. When do you all find time to squeeze in a ride? I've tried riding at night, but in the summertime the bugs are so thick during the evening hours that I can barely see through my faceshield after 45 minutes. Kurt Slawson '96 VFR750F ---------- From: The dc-cycles list administrator[SMTP:dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 3:01 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dc-cycles digest for 06/18/00 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 17:30:58 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Accept-Language: en To: DC Cycles Subject: Father's Day brunch ride - report The weather decided to cooperate so the Father's Day brunch ride went as advertised. A small-ish group left from the Exxon in G'town (at the bottom of "The Exorcist" stairs) -- myself, Herb (on a Magna), Curt (sp? on a Sabre), Mark Kitchell w/pillion Ariel (sp?), and Sajeeb (not on the list, but riding an R1 and a racer who knows "the Roach"). We hooked up with Rob (VFR) at Staub's out in Beallsville. I was expecting some other folks to show up, but... All in all, a fun little ride. Nothing dramatic happened. No mishaps. No tickets. Everyone rode really well. BTW, Sajeeb is a really good rider and he was gracious enough to put up riding behind me since I knew where we were going and he didn't! %^) Some of the roads early on in the ride were a little on the damp side. We went fast in spots, but for the most part the pace was pretty relaxed/civilized. We got stuck behind 2 guys on Harleys/cruisers for a little bit on the way out on MacArthur Boulevard. They were totally oblivious to the fact that we were behind them and that they were holding us up (as they putzed along at ~25 mph), riding staggered and taking up the whole lane. Don't know how they couldn't have known since I was riding such that they couldn't miss me if they ever bothered to look in their rearview mirrors. Similar encounter on the way back on MacArthur coming down the hill to Old Angler's Inn. Some guy on what looked to be a Ducati Monster (some sort of twin, I think) who was all over the road and riding extremely slowly. Brunch at Polly's was a lot of fun. Good ride. Good company. Good food. Can't ask for too much more on a Sunday! We'll definitely do it again. Cheers, Skittles, aka Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 18 20:41:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f147.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.147]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5J0fYk28930 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 20:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15051 invoked by uid 0); 19 Jun 2000 00:41:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20000619004123.15050.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 172.167.46.44 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 17:41:23 PDT X-Originating-IP: [172.167.46.44] From: "Robert Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Father's Day brunch ride - report Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 20:41:23 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Enjoyed the time I rode with you all up here. Sorry to hear of the HD and DUC hold ups! Will definitely hook up with you guys again. You're right, Sajeeb is a very good rider, and whatever pipe that was on his R1, it sounded sweet opened up on rt. 80! Hmmmm. Maybe I should get a slip on next instead of the Corbin! Rob '98 VFR Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 17:30:58 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Accept-Language: en To: DC Cycles Subject: Father's Day brunch ride - report The weather decided to cooperate so the Father's Day brunch ride went as advertised. A small-ish group left from the Exxon in G'town (at the bottom of "The Exorcist" stairs) -- myself, Herb (on a Magna), Curt (sp? on a Sabre), Mark Kitchell w/pillion Ariel (sp?), and Sajeeb (not on the list, but riding an R1 and a racer who knows "the Roach"). We hooked up with Rob (VFR) at Staub's out in Beallsville. I was expecting some other folks to show up, but... All in all, a fun little ride. Nothing dramatic happened. No mishaps. No tickets. Everyone rode really well. BTW, Sajeeb is a really good rider and he was gracious enough to put up riding behind me since I knew where we were going and he didn't! %^) Some of the roads early on in the ride were a little on the damp side. We went fast in spots, but for the most part the pace was pretty relaxed/civilized. We got stuck behind 2 guys on Harleys/cruisers for a little bit on the way out on MacArthur Boulevard. They were totally oblivious to the fact that we were behind them and that they were holding us up (as they putzed along at ~25 mph), riding staggered and taking up the whole lane. Don't know how they couldn't have known since I was riding such that they couldn't miss me if they ever bothered to look in their rearview mirrors. Similar encounter on the way back on MacArthur coming down the hill to Old Angler's Inn. Some guy on what looked to be a Ducati Monster (some sort of twin, I think) who was all over the road and riding extremely slowly. Brunch at Polly's was a lot of fun. Good ride. Good company. Good food. Can't ask for too much more on a Sunday! We'll definitely do it again. Cheers, Skittles, aka Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 18 21:01:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5J11sk29263 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:01:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-192-113.s113.tnt9.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.192.113] helo=wskirt) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 133pwk-00014v-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:01:51 -0400 Message-ID: <002901bfd989$f9673220$71c03ad0@wskirt> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <200006181943.AA158925230@mail.toward.com> Subject: Re: At Last -- Distractions Diligence Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:01:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 no I tried the fucking cop basically laughed at me, and threatened to give ME a reckless driving ticket, because he was aauming that I was trying to race with them. I told him a.) no piece of shit VW can touch a bike and b.) I was trying to go play pool. I (of course) omitted the chasing them down part, but the cop wouldn't even give me the time of day. This was one of the ONLY bad experiences I've had with a cop on my bike, but it was pretty infuriating. ah well... I'm alive, the kid and his buddy probably shit their pants, and no real damage to me or the bike (the bruise only lasted a couple days, and my knuckles were better within a week). Kirt 99 F4 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Norloff" To: Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 7:43 PM Subject: Re: At Last -- Distractions Diligence > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Kirt S." > >I know this feeling. Almost did it to a teenager in a brand new VW VR6 late > >last year when he hit my elbow with something (hand or his driver's side > >mirror) while passing me and LAUGHING. ... > > but when he hit my elbow, I countersteered HARD and > >would've gone down into oncoming traffic. I don't take intentional threats > >to my life lightly... > > > So if a cell-phone wielding car driver can get a bunch of motorcyclists ticketed for "reckless driving", can a motorcyclist get a car driver ticketed for reckless driving? > > Chris Norloff > From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 18 22:23:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5J2N3k00453 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va21-28.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.92]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA15169; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <394DAEB1.810998C@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:25:05 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Keiser CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Father's Day brunch ride - report References: <20000619004123.15050.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robert Keiser wrote : > > You're right, Sajeeb is a very good rider, and whatever pipe that was on his > R1, it sounded sweet opened up on rt. 80! Rob, If I remember correctly, Sajeeb had a D&D carbon can on his R1. Don't know if it was a slip-on or a full exhaust. Enjoyed riding with you and hope to ride with you again sometime soon. Skittles, aka Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 18 22:27:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5J2RDk00521 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va21-28.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.92]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA08712; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <394DAFAF.A4724422@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:29:19 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Janey Cohen CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Father's Day Ride/No Time to Ride References: <01BFD962.9F2E5760@ppp-boonet2-92.boo.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kurt, Sorry you couldn't make the ride. We'll definitely hook up one of these days! %^) As for finding the time... I guess you just have to find time to make time to ride. The nice thing about the ride we did today is that it's relatively short and you can do it from home (for those who live in DC or nearby Northern Virginia/MD). With no stops, it's about 2 hours or so of riding. Even with everything else in life, I can usually find 2 hours out of a Saturday or Sunday to ride. But I know what you mean about finding time. One thing we were able to do today (by design) was add a social aspect to the ride by ending it with brunch at Polly's. That way my wife (Karen, who doesn't ride and isn't interested in being a pillion) could meet us for brunch and tall tales of our riding prowess! %^) Cheers, Skittles, aka Chuck Janey Cohen wrote: > > Chuck, sorry I missed the ride. I ended up working most of the weekend. Damn job. It's getting in the way of quality riding time! > > I'm sure most people on the list can relate to this phenomena: If it's not work, it's family commitments, or school, or life in general. When do you all find time to squeeze in a ride? I've tried riding at night, but in the summertime the bugs are so thick during the evening hours that I can barely see through my faceshield after 45 minutes. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 18 22:28:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5J2SDk00538 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:28:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va21-28.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.92]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA09007; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <394DAFEA.438D170B@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:30:18 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Huson CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Father's Day brunch ride - report References: <394D69C2.9B74A1C0@ix.netcom.com> <394D50F6.C6EE3330@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill, Not me. But I can't speak for everyone else. Skittles, aka Chuck Bill Huson wrote : > > Any fathers on this ride? -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 19 06:54:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e23.nc.us.ibm.com (e23.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5JAsZk07848 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 06:54:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e23.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA15620 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 06:33:24 -0500 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v4.9) with SMTP id GAA23660 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 06:54:16 -0400 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256903.003BE284 ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 06:54:06 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256903.003BE151.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 06:54:01 -0400 Subject: Re: 2-wheeled wonders Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I know this thread is a little stale by now, but what do you get when you put a NORton motor into a roKON frame? Why, a Norkon, of course! See an artist's interpretation here: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=83414&a=630919&p=12054114 Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet '58 / '65 Triton "kit" http://users.starpower.net/eboc Michael J wrote... >> Just goes to show there's nothing new under the sun. Back in the early >> 1970's, there was a company called Rokon that had a pair of two wheel drive >> bikes. > >Rokon is still alive and well and making the same basic fat tired bike. It >tops out at about 24mph, but will climb a wall. > >I have seen someone ride one of these into the back of a pickup > >without a ramp From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 19 10:31:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web123.yahoomail.com (web123.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.191]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5JEV2k10812 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20351 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jun 2000 14:30:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20000619143057.20350.qmail@web123.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.108.8.1] by web123.yahoomail.com; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 07:30:57 PDT Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 07:30:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Nomad Subject: Re: Father's Day brunch ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Father's Day brunch ride - report >The weather decided to cooperate so the Father's Day brunch ride went as advertised. Chuck, Thanks for organizing this weekend's Father's Day brunch ride. It was one of the most enjoyable rides I've been on since joining DC-Cycles. >We went fast in spots, but for the most part the pace was pretty relaxed/civilized.> We covered a little over 100 miles in just over 2 hours, including long country road straight aways and sweepers where triple digits where had several times. Herb '94 Magna __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 19 10:48:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5JEmmk11032 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj [192.9.200.178] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.T) for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:47:22 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Subject: Anyone wanna go racing? Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:54:56 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.178 I've been doing a pretty poor job of attempting to sell my racebike (I'm in denial I guess). Here is a web page I setup in an effort to actually sell it. http://patriot.net/~stpeter/motorcycle/racebike.html Anyone with any interest can just reply to me. Thanks, Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 19 10:51:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3502.mail.yahoo.com (web3502.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5JEpck11108 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:51:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000619145125.22930.qmail@web3502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.138.202.197] by web3502.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 07:51:24 PDT Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 07:51:24 -0700 (PDT) From: martin lee Subject: Bohn body armor To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does anyone use Bohn's Bodyguard System (Airtex shirt)? I want to replace my leather jacket for the summer and want to know if Bohn is worth it. Also, what's the word on Draggin' shirts and jeans? Are they comfortable and tough enough in spills? Thanks, Marty SV650 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 19 10:57:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5JEuwk11212 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com ([166.32.113.51]) by flashmail.com ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 07:58:06 -0700 Message-ID: <394E5EE0.C63C4DA4@flashmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:56:48 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Janey Cohen CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Father's Day Ride/No Time to Ride References: <01BFD962.9F2E5760@ppp-boonet2-92.boo.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Janey Cohen/Kurt Slawson wrote: > I'm sure most people on the list can relate to this phenomena: If it's not work, > it's family commitments, or school, or life in general. When do you all find time to > squeeze in a ride? Oh yeah, I can relate. If I didn't commute to work, and take rare kid-free long weekend rides somewhere - I'd never have time to ride. As it is, I can pull in about 30K a year doing other things. Someday the kids will be grown, the house will be paid for, I'll be retired, and I'll be riding non-stop. At least that's what I tell myself now during the times I can't ride. > I've tried riding at night, but in the summertime the bugs are so thick during the > evening hours that I can barely see through my faceshield after 45 minutes. How do you think *my* bike got it's name? :) Oh, and watch out for deer if you do much night riding. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 19 11:46:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5JFkDk12891 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va14-53.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.245]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA28570; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <394E6B96.B098DD08@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:51:02 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nomad CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Father's Day brunch ride References: <20000619143057.20350.qmail@web123.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nomad wrote : > > We covered a little over 100 miles in just over 2 hours, including long country road > straight aways and sweepers where triple digits where had several times. Who "we" Kemosabe??? I know I was never speeding! %^) Skittles, aka Chuck From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 19 11:54:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5JFsRk13006 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA15344 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA07883 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16468 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:54:22 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000619114540.00d509e0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:54:21 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: R1 28 Sunday Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Headed to Centreville from Manassas Park on 28 North Sunday afternoon. See small group of sportbikes headed into Manassas going opposite direction. Something wrong with that R1s lights? No - he is trying to get the front end up, but just couldn't manage it. I think the wind was catching his shorts and forcing the front end down ;-) Have to add this to my 'you know you are a squid when....' file ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 19 12:20:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5JGKUk13434 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:20:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va14-53.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.245]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA20847; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:20:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <394E73A3.DF4B996@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:25:23 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Father's Day brunch ride References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062CDC@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was NEVER speeding (let alone triple digits). That's my story and I'm sticking to it! %^) Chuck, aka Skittles Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Big thank you to Chuck for organizing the ride on Sunday. The weather > somehow cooperated, despite the dire predections of Channel 4 weather > reports. The ride was quite spirited really, with speeds in the triple > digits at times and very fast sweepers. > > I was pleased to be able to keep up with the ride while carrying a > passenger. Luckily for me, Ariel loves the speed and was quite irritated > when we were behind slow drivers (-: > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chuck Pena [SMTP:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 2:51 PM > > To: Nomad > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Father's Day brunch ride > > > > Nomad wrote : > > > > > > We covered a little over 100 miles in just over 2 hours, including long > > country road > > > straight aways and sweepers where triple digits where had several times. > > > > Who "we" Kemosabe??? I know I was never speeding! %^) > > > > Skittles, aka Chuck From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 19 12:22:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5JGMik13456 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:22:37 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062CDD@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Cc: "'Ariel Sutro'" Subject: Re: Father's Day brunch ride Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:16:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain > Big thank you to Chuck for organizing the ride on Sunday. The weather > somehow cooperated, despite the dire predections of Channel 4 weather > reports. The ride was quite spirited really, with speeds in the triple > digits at times and very fast sweepers. > > I was pleased to be able to keep up with the ride while carrying a > passenger. Luckily for me, Ariel loves the speed and was quite irritated > when we were behind slow drivers (-: > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Pena [SMTP:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 2:51 PM > To: Nomad > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Father's Day brunch ride > > Nomad wrote : > > > > We covered a little over 100 miles in just over 2 hours, including long > country road > > straight aways and sweepers where triple digits where had several times. > > Who "we" Kemosabe??? I know I was never speeding! %^) > > Skittles, aka Chuck From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 19 12:38:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web310.mail.yahoo.com (web310.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5JGcJk13732 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000619163718.20360.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.132.101] by web310.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:37:18 PDT Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:37:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Father's Day brunch ride To: "'DC Cycles'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > The weather somehow cooperated, despite the dire predections of > > Channel 4 weather reports. Channel 4's predictions really sucked this past weekend (same as the Weather Channel's). They said maybe a passing rain shower on Saturday, and showers most of the day Sunday. So when teaching the MSF course over the weekend, I wasn't wearing my waterproof boots on Saturday. Got caught in some major downpours. When I pulled my boots off at home, my poor feet were all shriveled up. Then on Sunday after more warnings of showers and thundershowers, I have my waterproof boots on... maybe a 2 minute sprinkle. ARUGH!!! Glad you guys riding had a good time though. > > I was pleased to be able to keep up with the ride while carrying a > > passenger. Luckily for me, Ariel loves the speed and was quite irritated > > when we were behind slow drivers (-: It's great finding just the right passengers! When I took Leah on a ride back in April, everytime I would get back to my apartment she would say "No, keep on going!" The long distance rider in me cracked a wide grin! Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 19 18:00:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5JM00k19127 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:00:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA05544 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA16780 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-135-36.s544.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.135.36] helo=wskirt) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 1349aF-0003Rm-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:59:55 -0400 Message-ID: <002901bfda39$b9d50640$2487a4d8@wskirt> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <4.2.0.58.20000619114540.00d509e0@mail.wheatintl.com> Subject: Re: R1 28 Sunday Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:57:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I don't get this shit. How the hell can someone manage to NOT wheelie an R1. It's like... Twist throttle in first 3 gears, up comes front. sheesh... Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troutman" To: Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 11:54 AM Subject: R1 28 Sunday > Headed to Centreville from Manassas Park on 28 North Sunday afternoon. See > small group of sportbikes headed into Manassas going opposite > direction. Something wrong with that R1s lights? No - he is trying to get > the front end up, but just couldn't manage it. I think the wind was > catching his shorts and forcing the front end down ;-) > > Have to add this to my 'you know you are a squid when....' file > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 19 18:40:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5JMePk19699 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA14427 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:40:22 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA17571 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id v.63.72c510b (4364) for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <63.72c510b.267ffb47@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:40:07 EDT Subject: Re: R1 28 Sunday To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 > I don't get this shit. How the hell can someone manage to NOT wheelie an > R1. It's like... Twist throttle in first 3 gears, up comes front. > sheesh... I was going to ask the same question - I guess that some of us have talent ;-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 19 22:51:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5K2pMk23543 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-63.208.164.197.Washington2.Level3.net [63.208.164.197]) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA18457; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:51:07 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "martin lee" , Subject: RE: Bohn body armor Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:46:25 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01bfda61$b99b2a60$c5a4d03f@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <20000619145125.22930.qmail@web3502.mail.yahoo.com> I bought a pair of kevlar jeans from Two Brothers Racing (www.twobros.com) and LOVE THEM! Couple weeks ago I went down (for the first time) and they hardly have a scratch on them, even though both knees and a hip hit the pavement HARD. Both knees were scraped underneath the jeans and would have been a lot worse if I didn't have them on. You can't even tell on the jeans themselves though - they held up better than my leather jacket! They are extremely comfortable and look good - I sometimes just wear them around. They cost like $95 once you've paid shipping, but believe me woth every penny. Trust me I do not work for 2Bros., I just like to give credit when credit is due. Matt '98 Superhawk -----Original Message----- From: martin lee [mailto:therealmartin_lee@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 10:51 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bohn body armor Does anyone use Bohn's Bodyguard System (Airtex shirt)? I want to replace my leather jacket for the summer and want to know if Bohn is worth it. Also, what's the word on Draggin' shirts and jeans? Are they comfortable and tough enough in spills? Thanks, Marty SV650 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 20 05:02:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5K92mk29702 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 05:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from KGruell@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id u.38.7743765 (1558); Tue, 20 Jun 2000 05:02:31 -0400 (EDT) From: KGruell@XXXXXX Message-ID: <38.7743765.26808d27@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 05:02:31 EDT Subject: Father's Day ride To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 Chuck, Wanted to say thanks for the ride. I really enjoyed meeting and riding with everyone on Sunday. I can vouch for the not speeding part! Unfortunately, after I got home it took me all of three seconds to fix my speedo. I had a loose connection to the fuse box. Once I pushed it in a little farther everything lit up! Really officer, I had no idea how fast I was going! Thanks again and look forward to joining up on any upcoming rides. Kurt 84 V65 Sabre From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 20 08:13:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5KCDfk02657 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:13:37 -0400 Message-Id: <200006200813.AA268435886@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Motorcyclists & Crash Barrier Report : on the net X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Eric Thiollier Reply-To: Eric Thiollier Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 04:50:51 -0400 Final report on the "Motorcyclists & Crash barriers" project is now available from the Internet. Thanks to NMCU, the Norwegian Motorcyclists Federation and their skilled webmaster, Ole Robin Paulsen, a substantial piece of research into motorcycle safety and road insfrastructure has been unleashed on the Internet. The research studies crash barriers and their effect on motorcyclists in the case of an accident. It reviews a number of existing papers, identifies potential blackspots, presents existing devices to reduce the risk caused by metal crash barriers to motorcycle riders and proposes strategies to increase the safety of motorcyclists. Available from http://www.nmcu.org/forskning/index.html Please direct queries regarding the research to et_fema@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 20 08:58:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bastion2.mail.sprint.com (bastion2.mail.sprint.com [208.4.28.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5KCwsk03240 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sii01.mail.sprint.com by bastion2.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 07:58:35 -0500 Received: from [144.223.128.84] by sii01.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 07:58:32 -0500 Received: from reopmp01.corp.sprint.com (reopmp01m [144.224.249.75]) by kcopmh01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA23923 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 07:58:31 -0500 (CDT) From: ursulina viteri Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by reopmp01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA01157 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:58:30 -0400 (EDT) X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:58:28 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: Who's that rider on Hunter Mill Rd? TO: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="openmail-part-17376886-00000001" --openmail-part-17376886-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello everyone, I was wondering if the commuter I see each day is a DC Cycle member. He/she commutes via Hunter Mill Road near Reston heading toward Oakton, VA @ 7:45 am each morning - rain or shine. I think the bike is an older Honda or BMW. - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD --openmail-part-17376886-00000001-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 20 09:03:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web311.mail.yahoo.com (web311.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5KD3Uk03316 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000620130322.15604.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.26.132.101] by web311.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 06:03:22 PDT Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 06:03:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Range Aids, Alexandria To: DC-Cycles Cc: lkyler@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The Motorcycle Rider Course in Alexandria VA (at the Northern Virginia Community College) needs to find range aids. These are the people who: 1) Help take out the bikes in the morning 2) Set up and take down cones during the range excercises 3) Help put the bikes away in the afternoon They make our jobs as instructors easier, especially in the warmer months (it gets hot out on the black top) The pay is $78 per weekend for a 12 student class (July & August) and $156 per weekend for a 24 student class (March - November, excluding July and August) We would need you Saturday and Sunday (not Friday night). Mostly mornings to mid afternoons. If you are thinking about becoming an instructor someday, this is a great way to see the course in action. Riding a motorcycle is not a requirement, although an interest in motorcycles is certainly helpful. Heck, slap on some rollar blades, or take a skate board and have fun when setting up the cones. :-) For more information, or to sign up for a few weekends, contact Louie Kyler at the NVCC-Alexandria. You can call: 703-845-6110. You'll most likely get an answering machine. You can also e-mail him at lkyler@XXXXXX If you don't hear back from Louie within a week, let me know. (sometimes he is out of town, or overloaded with work) I can sometimes short cut around his load and give him information. Louis Caplan ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Route Planner, Mason-Dixon 20-20 http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 20 11:02:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5KF2Kk05248 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va24-35.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.227]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA22034; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:02:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <394FB2D1.1FDADF7F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:07:13 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KGruell@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Father's Day ride References: <38.7743765.26808d27@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kurt, Glad you joined us for the ride. It's always nice to meet and ride with new people. Chuck KGruell@XXXXXX wrote: > > Chuck, > > Wanted to say thanks for the ride. I really enjoyed meeting and riding with > everyone on Sunday. I can vouch for the not speeding part! Unfortunately, > after I got home it took me all of three seconds to fix my speedo. I had a > loose connection to the fuse box. Once I pushed it in a little farther > everything lit up! Really officer, I had no idea how fast I was going! > Thanks again and look forward to joining up on any upcoming rides. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 20 11:49:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from server.SPECTRUMscience.com (spectrumsci02.spectrumscience.com [208.58.10.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5KFnGk05987 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006201549.e5KFnGk05987@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from Inbox (207-172-119-165.s165.tnt2.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.119.165]) by server.SPECTRUMscience.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id M37A9CGP; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:45:02 -0400 Reply-To: From: Cc: Subject: RE: Motorcyclists & Crash Barrier Report : on the net To: Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e5KFnOk05988 I'd like to see this part of the study: ". . . where cadavers have been projected against barrier posts." dave ----Original Message----- >From: "Chris Norloff" >To: "List-dc cycles" >Subject: Motorcyclists & Crash Barrier Report : on the net >Reply-To: >Date: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 8:13 AM > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: Eric Thiollier >Reply-To: Eric Thiollier >Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 04:50:51 -0400 > > >Final report on the "Motorcyclists & Crash barriers" project is now >available from the Internet. > >Thanks to NMCU, the Norwegian Motorcyclists Federation and their skilled >webmaster, Ole Robin Paulsen, a substantial piece of research into >motorcycle safety and road insfrastructure has been unleashed on the >Internet. > >The research studies crash barriers and their effect on motorcyclists in >the case of an accident. It reviews a number of existing papers, identifies >potential blackspots, presents existing devices to reduce the risk caused >by metal crash barriers to motorcycle riders and proposes strategies to >increase the safety of motorcyclists. >Available from >http://www.nmcu.org/forskning/index.html > > >Please direct queries regarding the research to >et_fema@XXXXXX > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 20 14:14:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e21.nc.us.ibm.com (e21.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5KIEgk08209 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e21.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26916 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:04:37 -0500 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v4.9) with SMTP id OAA40998 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:14:32 -0400 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256904.0064346A ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:14:30 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256904.0063EBAA.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:11:17 -0400 Subject: Fwd: India Enfield FS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Dear DC Cycles, My friend Brian wants to sell his Enfield. It is a very nice looking bike; pretty darn close to British Racing Green (and it shifts 1 up, 3 down on the right, as a proper bike should). ;) His bike is a 500cc model. To see pics of Enfields, go here: http://www.enfieldmotorcycles.com/welcome3.html Please contact him for more info. He and the bike are near Arlington. Thanks, Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet '58 / '65 Triton "kit" http://users.starpower.net/eboc/ >From: brian hoskins >Subject: Royal Enfield >Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 17:03:58 -0400 > >Rich, >Greetings. Could use your help on an important issue. >I've decided to sell my Enfield and get a new Triumph Thunderbird >Sport. Just a slight change in personal riding requirements. If you >know of anybody who might be interested, please have them give me a >call/email. >It's a 1999 green Bullet Classic with less than 250 miles on it and it >has the right foot shifter conversion. >It cost me over $4400 with the conversion, but I'll take $3500 OBO. It's >just back from Winchester Motosports and is running in tip-top >condition. No dings, dents or bruises. > >Wish me luck. > > >Regards, >Brian >(703)-567-1957 > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 20 15:40:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5KJelk09636 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va12-12.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.76]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA32626; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <394FF414.57F62E98@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:45:40 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Advance notice - next Bike Night (3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just so y'all can mark your calendars and plan ahead... The next Bike Night (3) will be on Tuesday, July 18th and will be "Two Wheel Tuesday". It will be held at Grevey's (http://www.greveys.com) in Falls Church (Merrifield), 8130 Arlington Boulevard (basically where Gallows Road and Route 50 intersect). We haven't finalized the exact time yet, but probably 7pm to whenever. Speedvision will be playing on most/all of the monitors and motorcycle stuff ("Two Wheel Tuesday") usually starts airing at about 6:30 or 7pm. The details will be posted to the website (http://www.geocities.com/bikenight) once everything is finalized. Even though it's a weeknight, hope y'all will be there. Chuck, aka Skittles From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 20 21:42:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe1.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5L1gJk15106 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cox.rr.com ([24.28.195.84]) by mail1.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:42:00 -0400 Message-ID: <395018DE.2D0A6501@cox.rr.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:22:38 -0400 From: Larry Meyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: SPAM - Harleys for Sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A friend has a 1996 HD Springer, a 1997 HD Sportster, and a trailer for sale. Both bikes are beautiful with lots of extras. I haven't seen the trailer. E-mail me off list if you're interested. Larry Meyer Annandale, VA 1997 Bandit 1200 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 21 10:49:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5LEnBk27165 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va11-18.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.210]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05224; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39510139.2A900961@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:54:02 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Saturday ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Y'all, I don't know how I ended up becoming a ride leader (I mean, I don't think I'm that great of a rider!), but... I will once again lead a ride (the blind leading the blind!) this Saturday (June 24th). Seeing as how my b-day is Sunday, this will be the Chuck Pena birthday ride! %^) Any and all DC-Cycles riders (and others) are welcome to join. You don't have to be an expert rider with years and years of experience (I'm not!), ride a sportbike (I do), or be an especially fast rider (we'll all end up at the same place when all is said and done). WHERE/WHEN TO MEET The Java Shack, my favorite coffeehouse in Arlington. 2507 N. Franklin Rd., where Franklin Rd., Barton St. and Wilson Blvd. intersect, next door to Mr. Tire. Meet at 9am for espressos and lattes. Hit the road at 9:30am. BTW, make sure you have a full (or close to full) tank of gas at the start. NOTE: I have a rule (the "Phil Hepburn rule" in honor of my friend and teammate from my bicycle racing days)... The stated ride start time (in this case 9:30am) is when we go. There is no "grace period" or "10 minute rule". IMHO, a group of people shouldn't be kept waiting for one or even a few latecomers. In other words, if you're one of those people who is perpetually late, be prepared to chase the group. THE ROUTE Will be a variation of the route we did for the Father's Day brunch ride. I've been on 95-99% of the roads, but some of them will be new to me too. And I have no idea of the mileage of this route, but I expect it's at least 120-140 miles and will encompass about 3 hours of actual riding time. >From The Java Shack we will go down Lee Hwy. towards Rosslyn and across Key Bridge. L on Canal Rd. L at TL TRO Canal Rd. R at TL on Arizona St. L at TL (at top of hill) on MacArthur Blvd. We'll stay on MacArthur all the way until it ends (i.e., at the top of the hill at Old Angler's Inn) R on Falls Rd. into Potomac (if absolutely necessary, we can stop for gas here but be prepared to pay out the wazoo!) L at TL on River Rd. We'll stay on River Rd. until it T's at Bretton Woods L at SS TRO on River Rd. R on Partnership Rd. We'll stay on Partnership Rd. until it ends L at SS on Whites Ferry Rd. into Poolesville R at SS on 109 (Beallsville Rd.) NOTE: We can meet anyone who lives in Montgomery County who wants to join the ride at the intersection of 109 and 28 at Staubs, which is what Rob did on Father's Day -- JUST LET ME KNOW IN ADVANCE SO WE KNOW TO LOOK FOR YOU/STOP. We'll stay on 109 through Beallsville and Barnesville and Comus. L on Thurston Rd. (first left after going through Comus) -- This is a fun and relatively twisty section of road. I rode it for the first time last Saturday (at the suggestion of some other DC-Cycle'ers). Some of the turns are a little "blind" so don't get too carried away. We'll stay on Thurston Rd. until it ends L at SS on 80 We'll stay on 80 until it ends R at SS on 85 L on Michaels Mill/Manor Woods Rd. (towards Buckeystown Station) L on 351 We'll stay on 351 until it ends R on 28 L on 15 We take 15 across the Potomac River and into VA R on 672/Lovettsville Rd. (first right after crossing the river) L on 668/Taylorstown Rd. 668 becomes 663 but is still called Taylorstown Rd. L TRO 663/Church Rd. (4-way intersection) R on 662/Stumptown Rd. (4-way intersection) L on 665/Loyalty Rd. Take 665/Loyalty Rd. into Waterford NOTE: Navigating through Waterford can be a little confusing if you've never been there before. BL on Butchers Row L on High St. which becomes Clarkes Gap Rd. R on 704/Hamilton Station Rd. We'll stay on Hamilton Station Rd. until it ends R on Business Route 7 NOTE: We can make a gas/rest stop in Hamilton. L on 704/Harmony Church Rd. L on 769/Woodburn Rd. which will take us into Leesburg (699/Dry Mill Rd.) NOTE: We can make a gas/rest stop in Leesburg. R on Catoctin Cl. (4-way intersection) R on 15/King St./James Monroe Hwy. (4-way intersection) L on 621/Evergreen Mills Rd. R on 860/Watson Rd. (just after crossing bridge at Evergreen Mills) L on 617/Red Hill Rd. which becomes Ryan Rd./772 R on 625/Waxpool Rd. R at SS TRO on 625/Waxpool Rd. We'll stop and re-group near the intersection of 625 and Route 28 in Sterling (either in an office park parking lot or a gas station). This will be a good place for everyone to decide how best to get back home (or wherever they're going next). Some of the more obvious options include going up to Route 7 or down to Route 50 or I-66. But there are lots of "back ways" in. Cheers, Skittles, aka Chuck From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 21 13:14:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5LHEkk29921 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va17-16.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.208]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA21831 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3951235E.33FA2E05@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:19:42 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Looking for Chris Weaver Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris, Don't have your new email address with me at work (i.e., on my laptop). If you're reading this on the list, please reply back to me directly. Thanx! Chuck From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 21 13:31:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bastion1.mail.sprint.com (bastion.mail.sprint.com [208.4.28.129]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5LHVWk00322 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sii01.mail.sprint.com by bastion1.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:31:16 -0500 Received: from [144.223.128.84] by sii01.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:31:10 -0500 Received: from reopmp01.corp.sprint.com (reopmp01m [144.224.249.75]) by kcopmh01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA20247 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:31:09 -0500 (CDT) From: ursulina viteri Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by reopmp01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA12085 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:31:09 -0400 (EDT) X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:31:08 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: NON-MOTO: question about digital camera offer TO: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="openmail-part-174c0384-00000001" --openmail-part-174c0384-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi everyone, I don't mean too waste too much of your time or bandwidth, but I have a non-motorcycle question I was hoping some of you computer/technical folks could offer advice on. I ran across a deal on a digital camera that I want to use to capture images of used motorcycle parts (among other things) to put on a website. (Ah ha, there is some motorcycle content. :) The pictures need to be clear, but not necessarily studio quality. Do you think the following camera would be adequate? If not, what would you suggest? I'm kinda tight with my pennies right now so inexpensive but good is what I'm looking for. ** The DSCPro Digital Camera is compact, light, and easy to use. It's perfect for traveling and everyday use. Best of all, you never need to buy film again -- just download your pictures straight from the camera to your computer and then email them to family and friends, or even start your own online photo album. Cost: $70 + postage The DSCPro comes packed with great functions and features: * Built-in flash * 640x480 picture resolution * 2MB photo memory * 24-bit color * Auto focus: 3 feet - infinity * Automatic self-timer * Serial or USB port download options * Tripod mountable * Automatic picture counter * Camera uses four AAA batteries, not included (NO expensive lithium batteries to purchase) - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD --openmail-part-174c0384-00000001-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 21 13:36:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5LHahk00411 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA16486 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:36:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA11888 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([192.168.0.23]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA31661 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:49:59 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: More Microfiche CD's! GSX-R750 and SV650 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:36:58 -0400 Message-ID: <004301bfdba7$4cab9d80$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Well, I'm busy again. I have now done the 2000 GSX-R750 Microfiche CD, and I can do older years if there is enough interest. I am also working on the SV650 ('99-'00) GSX-R750 Owners Board http://pub9.ezboard.com/bgsxr750ownersboard Email me if interested. Gary Foreman, Sportbike Owners Club gary@XXXXXX http://www.tl1000.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 21 13:43:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5LHhbk00507 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:43:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA18028 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA12095 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5LHhUp13600 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:43:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: More Microfiche CD's! GSX-R750 and SV650 In-Reply-To: <004301bfdba7$4cab9d80$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, Gary Foreman wrote: > I have now done the 2000 GSX-R750 Microfiche CD, and I can do older > years if there is enough interest. I am also working on the SV650 > ('99-'00) Poor, poor suzuki owners... Kawasaki have their parts online! :) www.buykawasaki.com Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 21 16:42:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bastion4.mail.sprint.com (bastion4.mail.sprint.com [208.4.28.132]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5LKgZk03450 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sii01.mail.sprint.com by bastion4.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:42:20 -0500 Received: from [144.223.128.84] by sii01.mail.sprint.com with ESMTP; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:42:15 -0500 Received: from reopmp01.corp.sprint.com (reopmp01m [144.224.249.75]) by kcopmh01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA09308 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:22:00 -0500 (CDT) From: ursulina viteri Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by reopmp01.corp.sprint.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA21666 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:21:59 -0400 (EDT) X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:21:58 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: Need Todd Peer's email address TO: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="openmail-part-174f5aa1-00000001" --openmail-part-174f5aa1-00000001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Sorry to bother everyone, but I'm looking for Todd Peer's email address. - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD --openmail-part-174f5aa1-00000001-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 21 16:56:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5LKuPk03607 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000621205617.7681.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.136.133.213] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:56:17 PDT Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:56:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Need Todd Peer's email address To: ursulina viteri , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii he's got 2: toddbpeer@XXXXXX pokey@XXXXXX i've had more success with the first one :) --- ursulina viteri wrote: > Sorry to bother everyone, but I'm looking for > Todd Peer's email > address. > > - - Ursulina > 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 21 18:46:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5LMkok05154 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA04888 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:46:41 -0400 From: zbig@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: paging Jonathan Broga Message-ID: <20000621184622.B4874@kleks.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i Jonathan, please e-mail me off-list... _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 00' Blade C43 AMG - Silver Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 21 20:19:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5M0J3k06469 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:19:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brat (ip149.washington13.dc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.214.149]) by smtp2.abac.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e5M0PLZ53075; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:25:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200006220025.e5M0PLZ53075@smtp2.abac.com> X-Sender: dreamer%abac.com@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:22:09 -0400 To: Vulcan Riders Owners Club From: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" Subject: Tank panel report Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" After poking around the web and asking the folks on VROC about a tank panel for my new Nomad 1500 Fi, I was reluctantly in the process of purchasing one from the dealership two weeks ago, even though I wasn't particularly impressed with it. I hate not having a place to put my wallet when I ride! One of the salesman pulled me aside and suggested that I call Heritage Saddlebag in Canada. He showed me his bike and the quality of his tank panel was really good. The guy at Heritage was friendly and helpful and the order arrived in about a week. Due to the shape of the Nomad tank and the location of the instruments and the gas cap, it won't support a wide tank panel. The panel from Heritage is really nice and installed without a hitch. It came with well written and thoughtful instructions (remember, not all of us are mechanics!) and it looks great! The pocket is about 6.5" deep, 4" wide and stands about 2.5" deep off the bike. It has flaps rather like a cereal box on the sides to keep it dry and a top that comes down and latches in the front. My wallet, gas log book, pen and tire pressure gauge all fit without a problem. The price is comparable at $93.00 delivered. This is with studs on the pockets. It's cheaper without them. It's a class setup for anyone who is still looking for a panel. It should match my Mustang seat when I manage to scrape up the $600 it's going to cost . Now if I could only get it to stop raining long enough to ride!! Dawn ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX 2000 Vulcan Nomad 1500 Fi, SoulFyre VROC #4411 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 21 21:47:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5M1l2k07751 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:46:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200006212146.AA232194452@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Non-MC: Seeking Cold Fusion, Java, Oracle developers X-Mailer: Hope you don't mind this non-mc post. Let me know if you know anyone interested! thanks, Chris Norloff ---------------------------------------- COLD FUSION, JAVA, AND ORACLE DEVELOPERS ORACLE DATABASE ADMINISTRATORS Small, progressive knowledge management and decision support company seeks developers in Cold Fusion, Java, and Oracle, and database administrators in Oracle. Company is located in Washington, DC, and Northern Virginia, with convenient access to Metro and carpool lanes. Company provides support to commercial and Federal customers, and plans to market a web-based information system product this year. Company size is currently 35 people, and will be held to less than 100 people to maintain the necessary flexibility and speed of response to our customers. Developers need to work in a fast-paced development, production, and support environment. Software must be robust and scalable. The customer is considered a team-member and a critical part of the work environment. Company is currently at Level 1 of the Capability Maturity Model (CMM) of the Software Engineering Institute (SEI). Company is committed to earning Level 2 by the end of 2000, and progressing from there to Level 5. See http://www.sei.cmu.edu for more details on CMM and SEI. Company is committed to earning the Malcolm Baldridge National Quality Award for ever-improving value to customers and improving overall company performance. See http://www.quality.nist.gov for details on the Quality award. BENEFITS: Flextime work schedule. Overtime paid if allowed on contract. Stock Options. Company pays $1,500/year for Employee professional training. Also tuition reimbursement for approved classes. Company pays for Employee to take Allaire Cold Fusion Certification test (ACPP). 401(k), with match of 50% of Employee's first 12%. Yearly bonus based on company productivity and Employee professional growth. Yearly company retreat in the Caribbean. 3 weeks paid leave the first year. Paid leave for scheduled Federal holidays. Flexible Spending Plan that allows Employee to pay medical, dental, childcare, prescription drugs, insurance co-pays, and other expenses pre-tax. Health insurance: PPO and HMO options. Company pays 60% of premium. Employee share is deducted pre-tax. Metro cards amd Metrocheks available pre-tax. Credit Union membership. Life insurance, including accidental death and disability and dependent life insurance. Drug-free work place. Send resume and salary requirements in confidence to chris@XXXXXX Send 200 or more lines of code that shows your work in Cold Fusion, Java, and/or Oracle. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 22 08:02:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3606.mail.yahoo.com (web3606.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5MC2Jk16672 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000622120212.15385.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.65] by web3606.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 05:02:12 PDT Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 05:02:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Need Todd Peer's email address To: Tom Gimer , ursulina viteri , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ROTFLMAO! Glenn --- Tom Gimer wrote: > he's got 2: > > toddbpeer@XXXXXX > pokey@XXXXXX > > i've had more success with the first one > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 22 09:08:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5MD8Ck17485 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va8-59.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.251]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA07096; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39523B0E.D19D7FAC@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:13:02 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Saturday ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Was just wondering who is likely to show up for my Saturday ride leaving from the Java Shack in Arlington at 9:30am (meet at 9am if you want espressos/lattes beforehand))??? I've heard from a few people who said they won't be riding. But it would be nice to know who I should be looking for and how many people to expect. Herb? Kurt? Rob? Sanath? Kirt? Anybody? Bueller? %^) Thanx! Chuck, aka Skittles P.S. If for some reason you didn't get/see my original post (yesterday)... I don't know how I ended up becoming a ride leader (I mean, I don't think I'm that great of a rider!), but... I will once again lead a ride (the blind leading the blind!) this Saturday (June 24th). Seeing as how my b-day is Sunday, this will be the Chuck Pena birthday ride! %^) Any and all DC-Cycles riders (and others) are welcome to join. You don't have to be an expert rider with years and years of experience (I'm not!), ride a sportbike (I do), or be an especially fast rider (we'll all end up at the same place when all is said and done). WHERE/WHEN TO MEET The Java Shack, my favorite coffeehouse in Arlington. 2507 N. Franklin Rd., where Franklin Rd., Barton St. and Wilson Blvd. intersect, next door to Mr. Tire. Meet at 9am for espressos and lattes. Hit the road at 9:30am. BTW, make sure you have a full (or close to full) tank of gas at the start. NOTE: I have a rule (the "Phil Hepburn rule" in honor of my friend and teammate from my bicycle racing days)... The stated ride start time (in this case 9:30am) is when we go. There is no "grace period" or "10 minute rule". IMHO, a group of people shouldn't be kept waiting for one or even a few latecomers. In other words, if you're one of those people who is perpetually late, be prepared to chase the group. THE ROUTE Will be a variation of the route we did for the Father's Day brunch ride. I've been on 95-99% of the roads, but some of them will be new to me too. And I have no idea of the mileage of this route, but I expect it's at least 120-140 miles and will encompass about 3 hours of actual riding time. >From The Java Shack we will go down Lee Hwy. towards Rosslyn and across Key Bridge. L on Canal Rd. L at TL TRO Canal Rd. R at TL on Arizona St. L at TL (at top of hill) on MacArthur Blvd. We'll stay on MacArthur all the way until it ends (i.e., at the top of the hill at Old Angler's Inn) R on Falls Rd. into Potomac (if absolutely necessary, we can stop for gas here but be prepared to pay out the wazoo!) L at TL on River Rd. We'll stay on River Rd. until it T's at Bretton Woods L at SS TRO on River Rd. R on Partnership Rd. We'll stay on Partnership Rd. until it ends L at SS on Whites Ferry Rd. into Poolesville R at SS on 109 (Beallsville Rd.) NOTE: We can meet anyone who lives in Montgomery County who wants to join the ride at the intersection of 109 and 28 at Staubs, which is what Rob did on Father's Day -- JUST LET ME KNOW IN ADVANCE SO WE KNOW TO LOOK FOR YOU/STOP. We'll stay on 109 through Beallsville and Barnesville and Comus. L on Thurston Rd. (first left after going through Comus) -- This is a fun and relatively twisty section of road. I rode it for the first time last Saturday (at the suggestion of some other DC-Cycle'ers). Some of the turns are a little "blind" so don't get too carried away. We'll stay on Thurston Rd. until it ends L at SS on 80 We'll stay on 80 until it ends R at SS on 85 L on Michaels Mill/Manor Woods Rd. (towards Buckeystown Station) L on 351 We'll stay on 351 until it ends R on 28 L on 15 We take 15 across the Potomac River and into VA R on 672/Lovettsville Rd. (first right after crossing the river) L on 668/Taylorstown Rd. 668 becomes 663 but is still called Taylorstown Rd. L TRO 663/Church Rd. (4-way intersection) R on 662/Stumptown Rd. (4-way intersection) L on 665/Loyalty Rd. Take 665/Loyalty Rd. into Waterford NOTE: Navigating through Waterford can be a little confusing if you've never been there before. BL on Butchers Row L on High St. which becomes Clarkes Gap Rd. R on 704/Hamilton Station Rd. We'll stay on Hamilton Station Rd. until it ends R on Business Route 7 NOTE: We can make a gas/rest stop in Hamilton. L on 704/Harmony Church Rd. L on 769/Woodburn Rd. which will take us into Leesburg (699/Dry Mill Rd.) NOTE: We can make a gas/rest stop in Leesburg. R on Catoctin Cl. (4-way intersection) R on 15/King St./James Monroe Hwy. (4-way intersection) L on 621/Evergreen Mills Rd. R on 860/Watson Rd. (just after crossing bridge at Evergreen Mills) L on 617/Red Hill Rd. which becomes Ryan Rd./772 R on 625/Waxpool Rd. R at SS TRO on 625/Waxpool Rd. We'll stop and re-group near the intersection of 625 and Route 28 in Sterling (either in an office park parking lot or a gas station). This will be a good place for everyone to decide how best to get back home (or wherever they're going next). Some of the more obvious options include going up to Route 7 or down to Route 50 or I-66. But there are lots of "back ways" in. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 22 12:24:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5MGOgk21574 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id MAA10098; Thu, 22 Jun 1972 12:29:33 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1972 12:29:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Wanted: Honda VF-500 (Interceptor) parts/parts bike Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi...I need a bunch of VF-500 parts: Tank, carbs (probably), ignition switch, seat, turn signal, mirrors... Anyone selling a parts bike? --garcia. 202-234-9229 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 22 13:23:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5MHNXk22566 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:23:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA00764 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA10871 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:23:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10579 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:23:29 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000622131907.00c90df0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:21:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: What a great day Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I got soaked riding in this morning, but what a great day for riding! Temps are great, glare is low, not too humid, not too dry.....took a 30 minute lunch ride around Herndon. Wish I could take the bike with me to Gatlinburg this weekend! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 22 15:05:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5MJ5dk24747 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va24-55.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.247]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA31448; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39528ED8.B31AB529@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:10:32 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.motorcycle.sportbike To: DC Cycles CC: Kim Nimmo Subject: WTB - CBR900 or GSXR750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am posting this for a friend. Please respond to him at kwnim93@XXXXXX. He is interested in buying a '98 (or newer) Honda CBR900RR or Suzuki GSXR750. He lives in the Washington, DC area (Northern Virginia), but might be willing to travel out of the area for the right bike at the right price. If you have one or know of anyone who has one for sale, please contact him directly. Thanx! Skittles, aka Chuck '93 GSXR750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 22 16:34:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5MKYik25915 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:34:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA01763 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web509.mail.yahoo.com (web509.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.224]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA15993 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000622203435.21123.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.83.93] by web509.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:34:35 PDT Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:34:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: What a great day To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The roads nearby ARE excellent, but I think it would be much more enjoyable to just relax w/ beer(s) in hand and observe the freakshow that IS Gatlinburg. This town, and why anybody would ever go there, is truly one of the wonders of the world. --- Troutman wrote: > I got soaked riding in this morning, but what a > great day for > riding! Temps are great, glare is low, not too > humid, not too dry.....took > a 30 minute lunch ride around Herndon. Wish I could > take the bike with me > to Gatlinburg this weekend! > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 22 16:41:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5MKf4k26006 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA01796 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA16154 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10974 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:40:59 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000622163950.00c97220@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:40:56 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: What a great day In-Reply-To: <20000622203435.21123.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed It is the Myrtle Beach of the mountains. I wouldn't be going voluntarily, but my family's 25th anniversary is there all weekend. Woo Hoo! We take over the same hotel every year. At 04:34 PM 6/22/00 , Tom Gimer wrote: >The roads nearby ARE excellent, but I think it would >be much more enjoyable to just relax w/ beer(s) in >hand and observe the freakshow that IS Gatlinburg. >This town, and why anybody would ever go there, is >truly one of the wonders of the world. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 22 18:40:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5MMeCk28749 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-132-12.s266.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.132.12] helo=todd) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 135Fdq-0004pI-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:40:10 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 06/21/00 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:33:20 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bfdc99$de490e60$fd89a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200006212300.e5LN02h05353@dirty.meretrix.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:56:17 -0700 (PDT) > From: Tom Gimer > Subject: Re: Need Todd Peer's email address > To: ursulina viteri , > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > he's got 2: > > toddbpeer@XXXXXX > pokey@XXXXXX > > i've had more success with the first one > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAaaa, you so funneee From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 22 22:08:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f213.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.213]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5N28lk01754 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 60499 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jun 2000 02:08:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20000623020839.60498.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 172.163.164.61 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 19:08:39 PDT X-Originating-IP: [172.163.164.61] From: "Robert Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday ride Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:08:39 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sorry, Chuck. Would love to, but can't make this one. Already committed to the Cystic Fibrosis Corp. Sports Battle Saturday. Actually, with one of the events being the tug o war, you could say, I was 'roped' into it. Get it? Tug o war....rope?! Oh, brother, I need new writers. Anyway, have a safe/fun ride. The route looks great! Think of me as you pass Staub's. Rob '98 VFR800 >X-Accept-Language: en >To: DC Cycles >Subject: Re: Saturday ride > >Was just wondering who is likely to show up for my Saturday ride leaving >from the Java Shack in Arlington at 9:30am (meet at 9am if you want >espressos/lattes beforehand))??? I've heard from a few people who said >they won't be riding. But it would be nice to know who I should be >looking for and how many people to expect. Herb? Kurt? Rob? Sanath? >Kirt? Anybody? Bueller? %^) Thanx! > >Chuck, aka Skittles ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 22 22:39:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5N2dAk02200 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.6b.5fd2492 (4465) for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:38:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6b.5fd2492.268427c0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:38:56 EDT Subject: DC Cycles Racing in South Carolina To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 Just want to tell the list that Brad Fass and Bryan Roach are the best. I am an "older" racer with family and business commitments. I have little time to race and am competing with people nationally that have competed in 8 races so far in the classes I compete in. I have raced in 2 in one class and 1 in the other. It is a national series so the races are all over the US only 3 are at Summit. Your six best finishes are counted towards the championship. Given my business schedule it was imperative that I compete in South Carolina this weekend to get 6 races in this year. Well, Brad came by (to my house) loaded my racebike and brought my bike to Bryan's trailer in Virginia. Bryan and Brad will bring my racebike to the track in SC in Bryan's trailer. I get to get in almost a full day of work Friday and will drive down to SC in my car. I will appear at the track Saturday morning register and race. I fell like friggin Carl Fogarty. Thanks guys. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 22 22:41:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5N2f2k02213 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va12-41.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.105]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA00148; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3952F8F0.B5FF2A9F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:43:13 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Keiser CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday ride References: <20000623020839.60498.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rob, Keep your day job, dude! %^) Chuck Robert Keiser wrote: > > Sorry, Chuck. Would love to, but can't make this one. > Already committed to the Cystic Fibrosis Corp. Sports Battle Saturday. > Actually, with one of the events being the tug o war, you could say, I was > 'roped' into it. Get it? Tug o war....rope?! > > Oh, brother, I need new writers. > > Anyway, have a safe/fun ride. The route looks great! Think of me as you > pass Staub's. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Thu Jun 22 22:54:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5N2s8k02432 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va12-41.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.105]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA25237; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3952FBD9.DB951455@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:55:37 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,alt.motorcycle.sportbike To: DC Cycles , Suzuki Bikes List , parr@XXXXXX Subject: Bike Night 3: Two Wheel Tuesday Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Boyz and girlz... The next Bike Night will be on Tuesday, July 18th from 7pm to ??? at Grevey's in Falls Church. It'll be "Two Wheel Tuesday" with Speedvision on most/all of the TVs. All the details are on the website at http://www.geocities.com/bikenight Mark your calendars! Hope to see y'all there! Please let friends (even if they don't ride m/c's) know about this (and feel free to cross-post to other m/c lists and clubs -- thanx!) Cheers, Skittles, aka Chuck '93 GSXR 750 -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 23 06:47:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web509.mail.yahoo.com (web509.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.224]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5NAl2k09853 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 06:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000623104655.16230.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.136.133.29] by web509.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 03:46:55 PDT Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 03:46:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 06/21/00 To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Todd Peer wrote: > > Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:56:17 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Tom Gimer > > Subject: Re: Need Todd Peer's email address > > To: ursulina viteri > , > > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > he's got 2: > > > > toddbpeer@XXXXXX > > pokey@XXXXXX > > > > i've had more success with the first one > > > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAaaa, you so funneee I thought this might even sneak by you due to the fact that you're on digest mode. No such luck, eh? :) -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 23 09:53:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5NDrBk13078 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:53:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kivex ([208.213.150.47]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id JAA21197 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000623095836.007d9330@kivex.com> X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:58:36 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: Saturday ride In-Reply-To: <200006222300.e5MN01f29085@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" say in your best Homer Simpson voice: "mmmmmmmmm Staubs......" NOTE: We can meet anyone who lives in Montgomery County who wants to join the ride at the intersection of 109 and 28 at Staubs, Lisa From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 23 10:16:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f114.hotmail.com [216.32.181.114]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5NEGUk13640 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19394 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jun 2000 14:16:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20000623141610.19393.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.226.188.80 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 07:16:10 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.226.188.80] From: "Ricardo Viteri-Fraser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 85 Honda 500 Interceptor for sale Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 07:16:10 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Greetings... 1985 blue and white 1985 Honda VF500F Interceptor. 20,000 miles, in good overall condition, a couple of dings in the tank and age related things, garage kept, a lot of work done 3 years ago so it is in pretty good shape mechanically, fairly new battery (less than 2 years old), needs new front and back tires though...asking $1900...thanks Ricardo 202.462.0749 r_viteri@XXXXXX ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 23 10:29:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5NETCk13938 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va24-58.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.250]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19042; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39539F91.8D9E36FB@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:34:09 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lisa Goddard CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday ride References: <3.0.6.32.20000623095836.007d9330@kivex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lisa et al, If you're going to join up with us at Staubs at the intersection of 109 and 28, I'm figuring we'll get there around 10:30am. Chuck Lisa Goddard wrote: > > say in your best Homer Simpson voice: > "mmmmmmmmm Staubs......" > > NOTE: We can meet anyone who lives in Montgomery County who wants to > join the ride at the intersection of 109 and 28 at Staubs, > > Lisa From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 23 13:23:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from noca.hq.navy.mil (donhq-ns1.hq.navy.mil [164.224.250.80]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5NHNfk16961 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:23:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by noca.hq.navy.mil; id NAA08084; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:25:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(164.224.238.18) by noca.hq.navy.mil via smap (V5.5) id xmaa07904; Fri, 23 Jun 00 13:25:05 -0500 Received: by ptmsg1.hq.navy.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:23:09 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Papion, Chris" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: DAILY DIGEST - NEW SUBSCRIBER Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:25:55 -0400 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Looking for info on used trailers and cheap, hard shell saddlebags. I like the ones National Cycle (OutBack/Outrigger) BUT as in most things from the retail dealership, they are way too expensive. Thanks, Chris C. PAPION, YNC(SS), USN Navy International Programs Office Nebraska Avenue Complex 4255 Mount Vernon Drive, Suite 17100 Washington, DC 20393-5445 Home: (703) 550-1098 Work: (202) 764-2803 Fax: (202) 764-2835 -----Original Message----- From: Harry Mantakos [mailto:harry@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 9:53 AM To: Papion, Chris Subject: Re: DAILY DIGEST REQUEST Welcome to dc-cycles digest mode! You'll receive a single message once a day that includes all of the postings made in the preceding 24 hours. To post a message to the list, send to 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'. For administrative requests, (like subscribing or unsubscribing) send to 'dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX', NOT to the list itself. 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. 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Gittings St. Baltimore, MD 21230 Email: harry@XXXXXX Evil Twins: harry@XXXXXX, harry@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 23 14:24:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5NIOPk17812 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phn-az31-74.rasserver.net [198.211.106.74] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:23:59 -0700 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: RE: 85 Honda 500 Interceptor for sale Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:25:13 -0700 Message-ID: <000101bfdd40$5f809150$4a6ad3c6@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal > 1985 blue and white 1985 Honda VF500F Interceptor. 20,000 miles, in good > overall condition, a couple of dings in the tank and age related things, > garage kept, a lot of work done 3 years ago so it is in pretty good shape > mechanically, fairly new battery (less than 2 years old), needs new front > and back tires though...asking $1900...thanks Yeouch! That's more than I paid for BOTH my 86 VF500f ($600) and 87 VFR700f2 ($1000)... the thing's not made of Gold ya know... Well, good luck on selling it anyway... Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 23 14:34:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5NIYGk17981 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va12-30.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.94]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00406; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3953D901.EE117083@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:39:13 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Saturday ride X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We may have a relatively large group for tomorrow's ride. That's good! %^) And it sounds like we'll have lots of different types of m/c's. That's also good! %^) And I'll assume we'll have riders of varying ability levels and riding experince. And that's good too! %^) Just a few "rules"... This is a ride, not a race. Nobody wins anything for being the fastest. So ride within your own personal ability levels and limitations. You don't have to prove anything to anybody. And nobody is going to laugh at or berate you for being "slow". (Although please try not to be like the two Harley/cruiser riders and the one Ducati rider we got stuck behind last week -- toodling along at 25 mph, taking up the whole road, and oblivious to the fact that they had anyone behind them!) In all likelihood, I won't be the best/fastest rider in the group. If anyone wants to ride ahead/faster than me, that's perfectly cool. Just make sure you know where you/we are going. And be prepared to wait at appropriate places. Also be prepared to have no one go looking for you if you manage to get yourself lost! %^) We will be looking to "pick up" riders along the way at the top of the hill at the Old Angler's Inn (where we turn right off MacArthur onto Falls) and at the intersection of 109 and 28 (Staubs). Assuming we all start with a relatively full tank of gas, I will start looking for a good gas/rest stop when my trip meter hits 100 miles. I'm guessing the gas/rest stop will be in Hamilton, VA. Please ride safe and smart. I'd rather not have to make any 911 calls or calls home to spouses/significant others/family. And I really don't want to have deal with boyz in blue! %^) If anyone has any last minute questions, call me at home TONIGHT (not tomorrow morning) at (703) 522-6581. Cheers, Skittles, aka Chuck From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 23 15:59:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5NJxLk19145 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 135ZbF-0000f1-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:58:49 -0700 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:58:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 85 Honda 500 Interceptor for sale In-Reply-To: <000101bfdd40$5f809150$4a6ad3c6@tra> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Brian McCoy wrote: > > 1985 blue and white 1985 Honda VF500F Interceptor. 20,000 miles, in good > > overall condition, a couple of dings in the tank and age related things, > > garage kept, a lot of work done 3 years ago so it is in pretty good shape > > mechanically, fairly new battery (less than 2 years old), needs new front > > and back tires though...asking $1900...thanks > > Yeouch! That's more than I paid for BOTH my 86 VF500f ($600) and 87 > VFR700f2 ($1000)... the thing's not made of Gold ya know... Well, good > luck on selling it anyways. According th summer 99 issue of MCN an 85 VF500 is worth $1490. So that's probably a bit less now. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 23 17:27:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f64.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.64]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5NLRck20685 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 91006 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jun 2000 21:27:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20000623212730.91005.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 172.169.224.23 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:27:30 PDT X-Originating-IP: [172.169.224.23] From: "Robert Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Chuck's Bday Ride Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:27:30 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hey Chuck, Although I won't be able to make it tomorrow, I know someone who might want to meet you at Staub's like I did last time. What time are you leaving? and What's an ETA at Staub's? I'll forward the info to him. He'll look like my sub since he rides a Red '98 VFR800 also. My apologies to everyone else for the wasted bandwith. Rob. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jun 23 18:05:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5NM5Tk21260 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.94.6274784 (3960) for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:05:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: <94.6274784.2685391d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:05:17 EDT Subject: Fwd: Florida Amends Mandatory Helmet Law To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_94.6274784.2685391d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 --part1_94.6274784.2685391d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought this might make a difference to someone on the list. By the way, is there a Maryland rider on the list interested in a test case for Maryland? If so, contact me off line. 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For an attached file of this newsrelease, reply to and request by file name: 00NR11tx.txt text file 00NR11rt.rtf Rich Text Format 00NR11em.doc MSWord 6.0 00NR11fx.doc MSWord 6.0 with MRF header and footer IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Tom Pauley June 23, 2000 #00-11 Phone: 573-445-4704 Florida Amends Mandatory Helmet Law On June 16, 2000, Florida Governor Jeb Bush signed HB-1911 into law. This=20 bill, which goes into effect July 1st, will allow motorcyclists over the=20 age of 21 to ride without a helmet provided they carry $10,000 in medical=20 insurance. According to the State of Florida web page, HB-1911 reads (in=20 part), "A person 21 years of age may operate or ride upon a motorcycle=20 without wearing protective headgear securely fastened upon his or her head,=20 if such person is covered by an insurance policy providing for at least=20 $10,000 in medical benefits for injuries incurred as a result of a crash=20 while operating or riding on a motorcycle." 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IMMEDIATE RELEASE        = ;       Contact:  Tom Pauley
June 23, 2000   #00-11  Phone:=   573-445-4704

Florida Amends Mandatory Helmet Law

On June 16, 2000, Florida Governor Jeb Bush signed HB-1911 into law. This bill, which goes into effect July 1st, will allow motorcyclists over the age of 21 to ride without a helmet provided they carry $10,000 in medical insurance. According to the State of Florida web page, HB-1911 reads (in part), "A person 21 years of age may operate or ride upon a motorcycle without wearing protective headgear securely fastened upon his or her head, if such person is covered by an insurance policy providing for at least $10,000 in medical benefits for injuries incurred as a result of a crash while operating or riding on a motorcycle."

Florida now joins Arkansas, Texas, Kentucky and Louisiana as states who have modified their existing motorcycle helmet laws to allow freedom of choice for adults in the last few years. Florida is also the fourth of those five states, with Arkansas being the exception, to require a medical insurance clause. Earlier this year, motorcyclists' rights activists in Kentucky were successful in their efforts to repeal the medical insurance provisions attached to their helmet legislation.

Remarking on the passage of HB-1911, MRF Vice President Tom Pauley said, "We at MRF wish to congratulate ABATE of Florida for taking this important first step in amending their helmet law. We hope that, like Kentucky, activists in Florida will be able to remove these medical provisions in the future."

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=A9The Motorcycle Riders Foundation, incorporated in 1987, is a membership based national motorcyclists' rights organization headquartered in Washington D.C. The MRF is involved in federal and state legislation and regulations, motorcycling safety education, training, licensing and public awareness.  The MRF provides members and state motorcyclists' rights organizations with direction and information to protect motorcyclists' rights and motorcycling.  The MRF sponsors annual regional and national educational seminars for motorcyclists' rights activists and publishes a bi-monthly newsletter, THE MRF REPORTS. Voice: 202-546-0983, Fax:  202-546-0986
 --=====================_755898483==_.ALT-- --part1_94.6274784.2685391d_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 24 11:14:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web314.mail.yahoo.com (web314.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5OFEJk07482 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000624151402.9134.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web314.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 08:14:02 PDT Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 08:14:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: DS-Cycles Racing in SC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Fred wrote: "I will appear at the track Saturday morning register and race. I fell like friggin Carl Fogarty." I sure hope that wasn't one of those freudian slip things or whatever the shrinks call it ;-) I hope you don't "fell like foggy" hehe and hope you whoop some vintage but down at SC.. Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 24 14:16:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5OIGDk09802 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 14:16:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-209.244.214.149.Washington2.Level3.net [209.244.214.149]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA21465 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:16:02 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: Subject: What the hell???(Saturday Ride) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 14:11:04 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bfde07$8fe5c280$95d6f4d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01BFDDE6.08D42280" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 00000000EBEB2A3CBD8FBF11BB392EC62A9E969A84F62000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BFDDE6.08D42280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This morning my friend and I joined 12 other bikes that left the java shack promptly at 9:30. Shortly thereafter, along McArthur Blvd just after crossing into Montgomery County, my friend hits a MAJOR pothole and bends both rims (thankfully and miraculously not wrecking his bike as well). I stopped to help him and see what was up. After some time, one single bike from the group came back to offer assistance if we needed it. Since my friend insisted that he was fine enough to get his bike home by himself and wanted me to go on, I decided to go with the other guy that came back from the group. I regret not asking his name when I had the chance, but I think he was on a Red VFR: THANK YOU!! Now here's the amazing part. When I go off with Red VFR guy, I come to find out that the ENTIRE rest of the group just took off! The guy that came back did not even know the route that was planned for the day. He told me that someone said they MAY stop at the next gas station, but they did not. So, since I knew at least the first part of the route out to Poolesville we kept on and caught up with the pack along River Road. At that point I was so disgusted that I had no desire to continue with this particular group. Now, this was my and my friend's first experience riding with any of these guys, or any guys from DC Cycles for that matter. I'm trying very hard to not make firm judgements on one incident, so I'm going to phrase this as a question: WHY did the group not stop? Chuck Pena, as the ride "leader" I would especially like to hear from you. I have ridden with enough groups to know that if something goes wrong, everyone stops. That way, even if everything is OK at least the group is not split up and no one is left behind as punishment for helping someone else out. This is very simple etiquette. 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> > Now here's the amazing part. When I go off with Red VFR guy, I come to find > out that the ENTIRE rest of the group just took off! It was me on the VFR who came back to see what was up with your friend, and then after he left you and I chased the group. I understand how it may have looked from your perspective but maybe this will shed some light: I saw your friend hit the pothole and then heard some "hissing" and I figured he had blown his tire. When we got to the light I looked at his rear rim and informed him that it was bent. Just then the light went green and off we all went. I think your friend continued on a bit and then pulled off. When he did I then went to the front of the group and I tried to explain to Chuck what had happened but because we were moving he couldnt hear me. I then went in front of the group and pulled us over on the side of the road and told Chuck what had taken place. We deceided that I would go back for the rider with the flat, and that the rest of the group would continue on. I had a cell phone and backrest on my VFR so I could give your friend a ride if need be. I fully expected my group ride to be over right then since I expected to find your friend on the rode with a flat. When I got to him I saw you there and he was just leaving to go home, apparently without a flat just bent rims. I figured you and I might be able to catch the group again but I wasnt sure of the route but we would give it a try. Anyway . . . The group did stop and it was deceided that I'd go back for the rider and the group would continue on. I can see how it looked from your point of view but I hope you have a better understanding now. It was fun chasing the group down anyway except for that one b#tch in the cage who didnt like us following so close and jammed on her brakes and flicked us the bird as we passed. :-) Dave Cross '94 VFR750 '90 FZR400 From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 24 14:58:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f18.hotmail.com [216.32.181.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5OIwck10322 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 14:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19476 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jun 2000 18:58:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20000624185829.19475.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.226.188.53 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:58:29 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.226.188.53] From: "Ricardo Viteri-Fraser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: reprice on honda vf500f interceptor Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:58:29 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed "thanks" to the input of many of you i have repriced the bike...asking 1400 as base and from then on best offer...anyone interested? thanks. 1985 blue and white 1985 Honda VF500F Interceptor. 20,000 miles, in good overall condition, a couple of dings in the tank and age related things, garage kept, a lot of work done 3 years ago so it is in pretty good shape mechanically, fairly new battery (less than 2 years old), needs new front and back tires though... Ricardo 202.462.0749 r_viteri@XXXXXX ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 24 15:55:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r19.mx.aol.com (imo-r19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5OJtik11044 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 15:55:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.9b.6d016c6 (1782); Sat, 24 Jun 2000 15:55:22 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: <9b.6d016c6.26866c2a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 15:55:22 EDT Subject: Re: What the hell???(Saturday Ride) To: vtrman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 In a message dated 6/24/2000 2:18:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, vtrman@XXXXXX writes: << I would be very glad to hear any explanations that make sense of this, because otherwise I have no desire to to ride with or be associated with this or any other group that cannot handle the basics of a group motorcycle ride. Very Disgruntled, Matt >> Matt, I wasn't on the ride so I can't offer any explanations. However, from the few rides I've been on with the DC-Cycles group, this is not typical practice. The first ride I went on and wiped out, one of the riders came back and the whole group stopped and waited. The same thing happened on other rides I've been on when someone else wiped. Don't judge all of our rides by one bad experience. I hope you stick around and get some explanations. Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 24 16:28:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5OKSlk11533 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va10-30.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.158]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA29153; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:28:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <395544B4.4EF60EF8@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:31:00 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vtrman@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What the hell???(Saturday Ride) References: <000001bfde07$8fe5c280$95d6f4d1@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matt, First of all, I'm sorry about what happened to your friend (Constantine?) who I believe was on the r/b/w R1, right? And I'm sorry about what happened to you too. And since you asked for a response from me, here it is. I'm going to be repeating some of what Dave Cross wrote. 1. I am new to this whole (volunteer) ride leader thing. (Actually, I'm a relatively new m/c rider. Been on my '93 GSXR 750 since January 1999.) I think I've been pretty up front in almost all my posts that I may not be the best or most experienced person to be leading rides. Nonetheless, I've now volunteered on three different occassions to lead rides. And I'm doing my best. And I know I'm learning as I go. 2. Dave did finally manage to alert me to what happened (I have to admit that with ear plugs in, a full face helmet on, and a motor droning, it's heard for me to hear anybody trying to talk to me on a m/c and as far as I know there's no universal signal for "somebody in the back of the group just had a problem"). What Dave did was wait for it was safe enough for him to get ahead of me (and the rest of the group) and then signal us to pull over when there was a place where we could all pull over. 3. Dave then explained what happened. After much hand-wringing, it was decided that Dave would go back to provide whatever assistance he could. He said he could give your friend a ride on his m/c, if necessary. Or use his cell phone to call for roadside assistance. He also said not to wait (and I and others asked "Are you sure?") and that he would try to catch back up with us. 4. To be honest, I don't know what 12 of us would've been able to do by turning around given the problem that was described -- bent rim(s). And given where it happened, I don't know where we would've found room for 12 other m/c's by the side of the road. I can understand how/why you're upset. All I can do is offer my sincere apology and say "I'm sorry." Neither I nor the group was out to "screw" you or your friend. I don't know if this explanation makes you feel any better (probably not), but at least I hope you have a better understanding of what happened (and why). If you want to be mad about it, go ahead and blame me -- not the group and certainly not the DC-Cycles list. Regards, Chuck '93 GSXR 750 Big Matty wrote: > > This morning my friend and I joined 12 other bikes that left the java shack > promptly at 9:30. Shortly thereafter, along McArthur Blvd just after > crossing into Montgomery County, my friend hits a MAJOR pothole and bends > both rims (thankfully and miraculously not wrecking his bike as well). > > I stopped to help him and see what was up. After some time, one single bike > from the group came back to offer assistance if we needed it. Since my > friend insisted that he was fine enough to get his bike home by himself and > wanted me to go on, I decided to go with the other guy that came back from > the group. > > I regret not asking his name when I had the chance, but I think he was on a > Red VFR: THANK YOU!! > > Now here's the amazing part. When I go off with Red VFR guy, I come to find > out that the ENTIRE rest of the group just took off! The guy that came back > did not even know the route that was planned for the day. He told me that > someone said they MAY stop at the next gas station, but they did not. So, > since I knew at least the first part of the route out to Poolesville we kept > on and caught up with the pack along River Road. > > At that point I was so disgusted that I had no desire to continue with this > particular group. Now, this was my and my friend's first experience riding > with any of these guys, or any guys from DC Cycles for that matter. I'm > trying very hard to not make firm judgements on one incident, so I'm going > to phrase this as a question: > > WHY did the group not stop? Chuck Pena, as the ride "leader" I would > especially like to hear from you. I have ridden with enough groups to know > that if something goes wrong, everyone stops. That way, even if everything > is OK at least the group is not split up and no one is left behind as > punishment for helping someone else out. This is very simple etiquette. > > I would be very glad to hear any explanations that make sense of this, > because otherwise I have no desire to to ride with or be associated with > this or any other group that cannot handle the basics of a group motorcycle > ride. > > Very Disgruntled, > Matt -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 24 16:48:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5OKmck11818 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va10-30.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.158]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA09386; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3955493C.DCC61D30@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:50:20 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Saturday ride - big group! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We had a big turnout (14 riders at the start, I think) for the Saturday ride leaving from Java Shack in Arlington -- this despite the fact that a few folks had some trouble finding Java Shack. By now, everyone knows about the incident on MacArthur where one of member of the group (Constantine?) hit a pothole and bent his rim(s). Again, I will publically offer my apology to both Constantine and his friend, Matt, since Matt expressed his disgust/upset that the group did not wait for him (and Dave Cross, who volunteered to be the guy from the group who would go back to help out with the mishap). The rest of the ride went well. I know at least three of us caught air (can you say IOMTT?) hitting the rise on Partnership Rd. as it crosses Sugarland Rd. - wahoo! %^) We stopped at Staubs and picked up a couple more riders (forgive me, but there's no way I'm going to remember everyone's names, especially those whom I met for the first time -- but here's who I remember being on the ride: me, Matt and Constantine (until the aforementioned incident on MacArthur), Bannon, Jay, Pete, Herb, Todd, Fred, Louis, Bill, Sanath, and ??? Help me out here!!!) Most everyone (except me, Bannon, and Bill) was smart enough not to keep going on Taylorstown Rd., which turns to gravel (hey, it doesn't show that on the map!) So we took Loyalty Rd. all the way into Waterford. Those of us with their suspensions set "hard" felt every little ripple and bump in the road (and there are lots and lots of them on Loyalty Rd.)! Gas and lunch in Hamilton. Planet Wayside? Good grub. We basically took over the outside seating in the back. Great little place. Felt like we were having lunch on someone's deck in their backyard. Didn't make the turn (as indicated on the directions I sent out) off of Harmony Church Rd. to take us into Leesburg. Instead we went all the way to Route 15 to get into Leesburg. Made the right turn off of Evergreen Mills after leaving Leesburg. But didn't make the turn that would've taken us back to Ryan Rd. So we dumped out onto Route 50. And took 606 back to 28. What was left of the group (people started peeling off while we were on Evergreen Mills), split up from here. Bannon, Sanath, Herb, and I took 28 to 7 to 193 and then the back roads through Great Falls back to 193. Bannon took the beltway home. Herb, Sanath, and I went on GW Parkway. For me, door-to-door it was about 140 miles of riding. Not a whole lot of twisties, but hopefully everyone enjoyed themselves. And I hope the pace was "just right". Mishaps - 1 Crashes - 0 Tickets - 0 Again, my apologies to Matt and Constantine. If not one of my rides, I hope you guys will give DC-Cycles another go. Cheers, Skittles, aka Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 24 18:29:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r17.mx.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5OMTek13105 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:29:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.77.5dd9ff9 (4412) for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:29:28 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <77.5dd9ff9.26869048@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:29:28 EDT Subject: LDRider list To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 Dale, Leon et.al. is this list down? I haven't had any traffic in almost a week and that's rare. Thanks for the bandwidth Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 24 18:33:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5OMXik13178 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.25.76932c9 (4412) for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:33:33 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <25.76932c9.2686913d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:33:33 EDT Subject: Real Motorcycle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 Will have at next ride - the minimum number of cylinders and wheels to get the job done - none of this wussy electric start stuff, either. The SRX-6 passed safety inspection today and is back on the road!! Yee Hah!! Four years and about a week since it last rolled under its own power. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 24 22:32:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5P2WS800445 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:32:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e5P1ise20795 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 21:44:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-63.208.167.57.Washington2.Level3.net [63.208.167.57]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA09236; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "Charles V. Pena" Cc: Subject: RE: What the hell???(Saturday Ride) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 21:39:21 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bfde46$2f577140$39a7d03f@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <395544B4.4EF60EF8@ix.netcom.com> Chuck & David, thank you for your responses. No I'm not looking to be or stay mad, its the last thing I want. Nor will I make any blanket judgments about individuals or clubs. (I only used the DC Cycles list because it was my only contact with the people from today, not because I wanted to point a finger at the club/list members) The ONLY point I want to make, is that if a mishap does occur, the entire group should stop until it is sorted out one way or the other. That way only the people that NEED to stop have to stop (in this case Constantino had to go home, but was fine to go unescorted) and no one gets left behind just because they stop to check on someone with a mishap. David was very unselfish to send everyone on, expecting his ride to be over, but it would have been more selfless for the group to chill at the next intersection or safe spot, and give him (and me) ten minutes to find out if our days really needed to be over or not. Maybe some people disagree with me on that, and that's fine, I won't argue because everyone is entitled to their own views. Just don't go on a ride that I lead. Chuck, I don't expect perfection of you or any ride leader and certainly cannot offer it myself. And from your pre-ride discussions, ground rules, etc., you're probably better ride leader than you think you are. I do hope to ride with you (all) again, I'm not going to just 'take my ball and go home' like a whiny bitch. Its over. David, thanks again, and yes it was fun chasing 'em down, and that lady was a bitch! Sorry about that light ha ha! PS. Constantino said the rims will cost him $700 to replace. Is it possible or advisable to fix that sort of thing? -----Original Message----- From: Charles V. Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 7:31 PM To: vtrman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What the hell???(Saturday Ride) Matt, First of all, I'm sorry about what happened to your friend (Constantine?) who I believe was on the r/b/w R1, right? And I'm sorry about what happened to you too. And since you asked for a response from me, here it is. I'm going to be repeating some of what Dave Cross wrote. 1. I am new to this whole (volunteer) ride leader thing. (Actually, I'm a relatively new m/c rider. Been on my '93 GSXR 750 since January 1999.) I think I've been pretty up front in almost all my posts that I may not be the best or most experienced person to be leading rides. Nonetheless, I've now volunteered on three different occassions to lead rides. And I'm doing my best. And I know I'm learning as I go. 2. Dave did finally manage to alert me to what happened (I have to admit that with ear plugs in, a full face helmet on, and a motor droning, it's heard for me to hear anybody trying to talk to me on a m/c and as far as I know there's no universal signal for "somebody in the back of the group just had a problem"). What Dave did was wait for it was safe enough for him to get ahead of me (and the rest of the group) and then signal us to pull over when there was a place where we could all pull over. 3. Dave then explained what happened. After much hand-wringing, it was decided that Dave would go back to provide whatever assistance he could. He said he could give your friend a ride on his m/c, if necessary. Or use his cell phone to call for roadside assistance. He also said not to wait (and I and others asked "Are you sure?") and that he would try to catch back up with us. 4. To be honest, I don't know what 12 of us would've been able to do by turning around given the problem that was described -- bent rim(s). And given where it happened, I don't know where we would've found room for 12 other m/c's by the side of the road. I can understand how/why you're upset. All I can do is offer my sincere apology and say "I'm sorry." Neither I nor the group was out to "screw" you or your friend. I don't know if this explanation makes you feel any better (probably not), but at least I hope you have a better understanding of what happened (and why). If you want to be mad about it, go ahead and blame me -- not the group and certainly not the DC-Cycles list. Regards, Chuck '93 GSXR 750 Big Matty wrote: > > This morning my friend and I joined 12 other bikes that left the java shack > promptly at 9:30. Shortly thereafter, along McArthur Blvd just after > crossing into Montgomery County, my friend hits a MAJOR pothole and bends > both rims (thankfully and miraculously not wrecking his bike as well). > > I stopped to help him and see what was up. After some time, one single bike > from the group came back to offer assistance if we needed it. Since my > friend insisted that he was fine enough to get his bike home by himself and > wanted me to go on, I decided to go with the other guy that came back from > the group. > > I regret not asking his name when I had the chance, but I think he was on a > Red VFR: THANK YOU!! > > Now here's the amazing part. When I go off with Red VFR guy, I come to find > out that the ENTIRE rest of the group just took off! The guy that came back > did not even know the route that was planned for the day. He told me that > someone said they MAY stop at the next gas station, but they did not. So, > since I knew at least the first part of the route out to Poolesville we kept > on and caught up with the pack along River Road. > > At that point I was so disgusted that I had no desire to continue with this > particular group. Now, this was my and my friend's first experience riding > with any of these guys, or any guys from DC Cycles for that matter. I'm > trying very hard to not make firm judgements on one incident, so I'm going > to phrase this as a question: > > WHY did the group not stop? Chuck Pena, as the ride "leader" I would > especially like to hear from you. I have ridden with enough groups to know > that if something goes wrong, everyone stops. That way, even if everything > is OK at least the group is not split up and no one is left behind as > punishment for helping someone else out. This is very simple etiquette. > > I would be very glad to hear any explanations that make sense of this, > because otherwise I have no desire to to ride with or be associated with > this or any other group that cannot handle the basics of a group motorcycle > ride. > > Very Disgruntled, > Matt -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sat Jun 24 22:32:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5P2WZ800447 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.243]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e5ONlge14417 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 19:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5357 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2000 23:41:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (24.15.187.164) by flash3.flashmail.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2000 23:41:49 -0000 Message-ID: <39554863.9F74CB24@flashmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 19:46:43 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MJordan666@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: Re: Real Motorcycle References: <25.76932c9.2686913d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > The SRX-6 passed safety inspection today and is back on the road!! Yee Hah!! > > Four years and about a week since it last rolled under its own power. Cool! I'm looking forward to seeing it. Yet another bike of yours I'll end up lusting for, most likely... :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 25 00:04:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5P44Z801923 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 00:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe2.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.49]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e5P43ce27574 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 00:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [24.28.208.69] ([24.28.208.69]) by mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Sun, 25 Jun 2000 00:03:29 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 00:08:18 -0400 Subject: Re: What the hell???(Saturday Ride) From: David Cross To: , "Charles V. Pena" CC: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000201bfde46$2f577140$39a7d03f@oemcomputer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > The ONLY point I want to make, is that if a mishap does occur, the entire > group should stop until it is sorted out one way or the other. That way > only the people that NEED to stop have to stop (in this case Constantino had > to go home, but was fine to go unescorted) and no one gets left behind just > because they stop to check on someone with a mishap. This is a good point and I am sure it will happen this way in the future. I should have asked the group to wait for 5 minutes and went to check on Constantino and then reported back on the situation instead of just sending everyone on their way. However I was almost sure that his tire was going flat and that nothing could be done except offer a ride or call a tow truck (I was obviously mistaken). As you suggest it certainly wouldn't have hurt for everyone to wait for 5 minutes, it just didnt occur to us at that time. > Maybe some people disagree with me on that, and that's fine, I won't argue > because everyone is entitled to their own views. Just don't go on a ride > that I lead. I would be shocked if anyone disagreed with you. > Sorry about that light ha ha! I didnt realize what that light was for until we were already on the one lane bridge. :-O > PS. Constantino said the rims will cost him $700 to replace. Is it > possible or advisable to fix that sort of thing? Ouch! Im not sure if that pothole was located in DC or Maryland but I am pretty sure that people have submited claims to city governments for damage done to their vehicles by potholes and have received money. I am almost certain that it happens in DC. Can anyone back me up on this? Dave Cross From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 25 01:04:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5P54X802884 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 01:04:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 2cust161.tnt5.phoenix2.az.da.uu.net [63.16.194.161] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:03:49 -0700 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re: What the hell???(Saturday Ride) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:04:34 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01bfde62$dab37ae0$a1c2103f@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Bent rims can be fixed (most likely need to be re-powder coated or polished after fixing.. I think the bearings need to be replaced aswell). Personally, that's not something I'd do for main wheels on a street bike, but it'd be something nice to have done for an extra set... that way you can pick up some nice race take-offs and mount them for track days and whatnot (Don't run those things on the street - I just had a friend toss his Y2K R6 because he had a race soft on the back - and this is in Arizona where road temps are schorcing). Might want to try hitting up some race-lists for replacement rims.. I'm sure there are more than a few people who're replacing their stock rims with aftermarket bits and looking to compensate a little for the costs... Good luck on that.. and sorry to hear that this ride wasn't as good to you as it could have been... but since Collin, Anita and myself (Glenn too) have moved/stopped leading, the rides have seriously gone downhill.. it's very nice to see someone step up to the plate to try and fill the spot again and I wish Chuck the best.. (Also, Chuck.. talk to Collin, Anita or Glenn for good road recomendations.. all 3 are walking road-maps for that area). Brian McCoy - the Phoenix DC-Cycler attending MMI From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 25 08:08:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5PC8r810131 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 08:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.72.8421ce (9726) for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 08:08:44 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <72.8421ce.2687504b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 08:08:43 EDT Subject: Re: Real Motorcycle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 > Cool! I'm looking forward to seeing it. Yet another bike > of yours I'll end up lusting for, most likely... :) Affinity for road-going singles is either an acquired taste or a genetic defect - not sure which - but that's ok - they're fun (but NOT on long trips - I'm enough of a wuss to like the smooth multi) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 25 08:16:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r17.mx.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5PCGJ810283 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 08:16:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.46.73045c5 (9726) for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 08:16:07 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <46.73045c5.26875207@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 08:16:07 EDT Subject: Re: What the hell???(Saturday Ride) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 > Bent rims can be fixed (most likely need to be re-powder coated or polished > after fixing.. I think the bearings need to be replaced aswell). There's a place in Keene, NH that advertises, and I've heard rumors of a few places locally. The bearings should be replaced because (1) it's a perfect opportunity, (2) they're cheap, and (3) they might have suffered damage. Get your bearings from a local bearing house (take an old one for a sample) - they'll cots groups less than a genyouine Yamazuki part. I'm keeping collision on my bikes ($40 per year for the GSX). I'm on my 4th front rim in 4 years. I'm out of pocket my deductible (250) and insurance kicks in the other 500 or so - definitely an excellent ROI. Michael (rim-of-the-month-club) J. From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 25 11:40:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from merctech.com (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [63.29.185.206]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5PFeA813258 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from merctech.com (IDENT:bergman@biber [127.0.0.1]) by merctech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03048 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:40:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200006251540.LAA03048@merctech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: bent rims Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:40:01 -0400 From: Mark Bergman Gee, does anyone archive dc-cycles, or check their old mail? I sent this out on March 3. ------- Forwarded Message X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: "Marcy" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: potholes! In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 03 Mar 2000 13:25:01 EST." <200003031831.KAA08926@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 14:06:14 -0500 From: Mark You probably bent your rim. My condolonces. If you are comfortable riding on a repaired rim (I have for ~6 years), try: Dave Moore Wheel Service I don't know if he's moved, but www.bigyellow.com gives 2 addresses: David Moore Wheel Service Apple Valley, CA 92307 (760) 240-3543 Moore David Wheel Service Alhambra, CA 91801 (626) 280-9815 (I remember the Alhambra address) And Usenet gives a phone number that seems familiar to me from when I used his services: 818-280-9815 => => be careful out there ... Yep. And check your tire pressure _before_ you hit a pothole. Having too little air means that your rims will bend more easily ($$ and/or sudden loss of pressure). Mark ------- End of Forwarded Message --==_Exmh_-5630879080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 25 12:33:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gothic.answerlogic.com (gothic.answerlogic.com [38.203.217.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5PGXd814104 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BABYTALK ([10.10.10.59]) by gothic.answerlogic.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id MGYNH1Y4; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:36:32 -0400 Message-ID: <030d01bfdec3$52faa450$3b0a0a0a@answerlogic.com> From: "Han Park" To: References: <000001bfde07$8fe5c280$95d6f4d1@oemcomputer> <395544B4.4EF60EF8@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: What the hell???(Saturday Ride) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:35:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I would like to thank Chuck for being ride leader this past saturday. It was a fun ride. I was 1 or 2 bikes behind the R1 when he hit the pothole (and the rear of his bike wiggled all over the place). I'm unsure of the ride etiquette, but Chuck was genuinely concerned and made the best decision that he could at the time. Chuck I hope you lead more rides, because I appreciate it. Constantine (R1 rider) hope you get your bike fixed and I'm sorry about any bad feelings from the ride. han ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles V. Pena To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 7:31 PM Subject: Re: What the hell???(Saturday Ride) > Matt, > > First of all, I'm sorry about what happened to your friend > (Constantine?) who I believe was on the r/b/w R1, right? And I'm sorry > about what happened to you too. And since you asked for a response from > me, here it is. I'm going to be repeating some of what Dave Cross > wrote. > > 1. I am new to this whole (volunteer) ride leader thing. (Actually, > I'm a relatively new m/c rider. Been on my '93 GSXR 750 since January > 1999.) I think I've been pretty up front in almost all my posts that I > may not be the best or most experienced person to be leading rides. > Nonetheless, I've now volunteered on three different occassions to lead > rides. And I'm doing my best. And I know I'm learning as I go. > > 2. Dave did finally manage to alert me to what happened (I have to > admit that with ear plugs in, a full face helmet on, and a motor > droning, it's heard for me to hear anybody trying to talk to me on a m/c > and as far as I know there's no universal signal for "somebody in the > back of the group just had a problem"). What Dave did was wait for it > was safe enough for him to get ahead of me (and the rest of the group) > and then signal us to pull over when there was a place where we could > all pull over. > > 3. Dave then explained what happened. After much hand-wringing, it was > decided that Dave would go back to provide whatever assistance he > could. He said he could give your friend a ride on his m/c, if > necessary. Or use his cell phone to call for roadside assistance. He > also said not to wait (and I and others asked "Are you sure?") and that > he would try to catch back up with us. > > 4. To be honest, I don't know what 12 of us would've been able to do by > turning around given the problem that was described -- bent rim(s). And > given where it happened, I don't know where we would've found room for > 12 other m/c's by the side of the road. > > I can understand how/why you're upset. All I can do is offer my sincere > apology and say "I'm sorry." Neither I nor the group was out to "screw" > you or your friend. I don't know if this explanation makes you feel any > better (probably not), but at least I hope you have a better > understanding of what happened (and why). If you want to be mad about > it, go ahead and blame me -- not the group and certainly not the > DC-Cycles list. > > Regards, > Chuck > '93 GSXR 750 > > Big Matty wrote: > > > > This morning my friend and I joined 12 other bikes that left the java shack > > promptly at 9:30. Shortly thereafter, along McArthur Blvd just after > > crossing into Montgomery County, my friend hits a MAJOR pothole and bends > > both rims (thankfully and miraculously not wrecking his bike as well). > > > > I stopped to help him and see what was up. After some time, one single bike > > from the group came back to offer assistance if we needed it. Since my > > friend insisted that he was fine enough to get his bike home by himself and > > wanted me to go on, I decided to go with the other guy that came back from > > the group. > > > > I regret not asking his name when I had the chance, but I think he was on a > > Red VFR: THANK YOU!! > > > > Now here's the amazing part. When I go off with Red VFR guy, I come to find > > out that the ENTIRE rest of the group just took off! The guy that came back > > did not even know the route that was planned for the day. He told me that > > someone said they MAY stop at the next gas station, but they did not. So, > > since I knew at least the first part of the route out to Poolesville we kept > > on and caught up with the pack along River Road. > > > > At that point I was so disgusted that I had no desire to continue with this > > particular group. Now, this was my and my friend's first experience riding > > with any of these guys, or any guys from DC Cycles for that matter. I'm > > trying very hard to not make firm judgements on one incident, so I'm going > > to phrase this as a question: > > > > WHY did the group not stop? Chuck Pena, as the ride "leader" I would > > especially like to hear from you. I have ridden with enough groups to know > > that if something goes wrong, everyone stops. That way, even if everything > > is OK at least the group is not split up and no one is left behind as > > punishment for helping someone else out. This is very simple etiquette. > > > > I would be very glad to hear any explanations that make sense of this, > > because otherwise I have no desire to to ride with or be associated with > > this or any other group that cannot handle the basics of a group motorcycle > > ride. > > > > Very Disgruntled, > > Matt > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 25 12:55:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5PGtk814398 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-138-75.s75.tnt5.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.138.75] helo=todd) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 136Fh5-00049K-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:55:40 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 06/24/00 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:48:40 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01bfdec5$36f4ce00$fd89a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200006242300.e5ON06s13566@dirty.meretrix.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > From: MJordan666@XXXXXX > Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:29:28 EDT > Subject: LDRider list > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Dale, Leon et.al. is this list down? I haven't had any traffic in almost a > week and that's rare. > > Thanks for the bandwidth > > Michael J. Not down. Last digest I got was #491, yesterday, 1 of 2. Todd From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 25 13:15:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5PHFn814799 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 13:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-138-75.s75.tnt5.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.138.75] helo=todd) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 136G0Y-0005Uy-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 13:15:47 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: Subject: What the hell???(Saturday Ride) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 13:08:46 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01bfdec8$05da95e0$fd89a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200006242300.e5ON06s13566@dirty.meretrix.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Matt Pflieger wrote: > I stopped to help him and see what was up. After some time, one > single bike > from the group came back to offer assistance if we needed it. Since my > friend insisted that he was fine enough to get his bike home by > himself and > wanted me to go on, I decided to go with the other guy that came back from > the group. To be fair, I and a few others slowed to assist your friend any way we could. I kept trying to get your friend to pull over, holding traffic up to do so, and then you appeared coming from the other way which seemed to finally prompt him over to the side of the road. I looked around and nobody seemed to remember to bring their rim straightening tools, so at that point I took off like a "bat outta Hell" to find the rest of the group. By the time me and Craig caught them, they were just pulling over, being alerted to what happened. The rest has been explained pretty much as it happened. Your perception that the group just "Took Off" is incorrect. I for one would never leave another rider stranded, and had Dave Cross not offered his services as quickly as he did, I would've been back there with you just as soon. I'm sorry for what happened to your friends rims. Dang! He must've really fallen into a deep pothole for that sort of damage. To Chuck I want to express a big thank you for leading a group of people who don't normally ride together through some of the nicer roads in MD and parts of VA. It was a nice sedate pace that attracted very little negative attention (like John Law), but quick enough to make it interesting. Anyway, good job for the newbie ride leader. I've been there, I know what its like trying to focus on, a) road ahead, b) trip map and c) the riders following behind. Not an easy job. Here's a suggestion to everyone who rides. Carry tools and a way to patch a tire and refill it with air. I have a patch kit and tiny air compressor I always carry on my ST1100, but felt quite exposed to the possibility of being stranded with a flat yesterday. I had nothing, no tools or repair kit with me yesterday. Gonna have to find a way to carry these things on the limited space of the VTR. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, * '83 VT500c(sold), * '92 CB750 (sold), * '94 XT350 (sold) * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 152,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 25 13:27:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r15.mx.aol.com (imo-r15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5PHRT814988 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 13:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from EmergeOut@XXXXXX by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.d9.5f52b94 (657) for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 13:27:18 -0400 (EDT) From: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 13:27:18 EDT Subject: Need Advice on bikes (Thanks Brian) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 116 I am in the market for a new bike. The bikes I am considering are as follows: Honda Super Hawk (Used, but a great deal at only 7,000) Honda CBR 600F4 ( We all know these are top of the line and have been proven) Kawasaki ZX-6R Kawasaki ZX-6 Suzuki GSX-R600 Suzuki Katana 600 or 750 Yamaha yzf-r6 Yamaha yzf600r My question is could you all tell me what three bikes on the list you would consider and why? I really appreciate your help. Also are there any Suzuki lovers out there? I am not a Suzuki lover...so please tell kme something to make me consider a suzuki. Thanks all. From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 25 13:34:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5PHY9815080 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 13:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-184-115.s115.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.184.115] helo=wskirt) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 136GIJ-0006YX-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 13:34:07 -0400 Message-ID: <004601bfdecb$81bdf320$73b8accf@wskirt> From: "Kirt S." To: References: Subject: Re: Need Advice on bikes (Thanks Brian) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 13:33:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 1.) CBR 600F4 (I ride one, I love it, I bought it cuz it rules) 2.) VTR (if you can deal with that kind of power) 3.) TIE - ZX6R and R6 (I like these almost as much as the F4) Gixxer 600s are uncomfortable and underpowered. Katanas are...yucky in my opinion. Same goes for the regular ZX-6. And, why buy a YZF600R when you can have an R6? My recomendation, go honda. Bulletproof, run forever, good in all situations... Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 1:27 PM Subject: Need Advice on bikes (Thanks Brian) > I am in the market for a new bike. The bikes I am considering are as follows: > > Honda Super Hawk (Used, but a great deal at only 7,000) > Honda CBR 600F4 ( We all know these are top of the line and have been proven) > Kawasaki ZX-6R > Kawasaki ZX-6 > Suzuki GSX-R600 > Suzuki Katana 600 or 750 > Yamaha yzf-r6 > Yamaha yzf600r > > My question is could you all tell me what three bikes on the list you would > consider and why? I really appreciate your help. Also are there any Suzuki > lovers out there? I am not a Suzuki lover...so please tell kme something to > make me consider a suzuki. Thanks all. > From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 25 14:17:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5PIHB815810 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va24-14.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.206]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA04053; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3956775A.C479B9A4@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:19:22 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: EmergeOut@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Need Advice on bikes (Thanks Brian) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I ride an old '93 GSXR 750 so I'm probably biased (just as Kirt is towards Hondas!) For the most part, all the m/c's you've listed are good ones. Depends what you want a m/c for and what kind of riding you do mostly. Gonna spend lots of time on the track and carving twisties? I'd put the Yam R6 at the top of the list. But the Suzook GSXR600 is also a great track bike. Pretty awesome handling, but underpowered compared to the R6. Want more of an all-arounder sportbike? Honda CBR600F(insert a number here) is probably as good as it gets. But the 2000 Kwak ZX-6R is supposed to give the CBR600 a run for its money. Want something a little more touring oriented but still on the sporty side? Kwak ZX-6 and the Katana fill that niche nicely. Want that v-twin grunt (can you say wheelie city?) but in a reliable Jap package? The Super Hawk (i.e., VTR1000) is a great choice. The only downside is relatively short range on a tankful of gas (ask any VTR owner -- at 100 miles they begin to panic and look for gas stations!) And if you're considering brand spanking new bikes, you might want to have a look-see at the 2000 GSXR 750. Lots and lots of people (magazine writers, as well as racers I know and trust) are saying this may be the "best" sportbike package out there right now. Lightweight (as in less than any of the current 600s). But power that almost (but not quite) puts it in liter bike territory. A racer/instructor friend of mine in CA (who's opinion I trust impeccably) feels it's the best out-of-the-box m/c currently available and feels the 2000 GSXR 750 will outrun an R1 (or anything else in stock trim) on the track (assuming riders of equal riding skill). Decisions, decisions, decisions... Cheers, Skittles, aka Chuck EmergeOut@XXXXXX wrote: > > I am in the market for a new bike. The bikes I am considering are as follows: > > Honda Super Hawk (Used, but a great deal at only 7,000) > Honda CBR 600F4 ( We all know these are top of the line and have been proven) > Kawasaki ZX-6R > Kawasaki ZX-6 > Suzuki GSX-R600 > Suzuki Katana 600 or 750 > Yamaha yzf-r6 > Yamaha yzf600r > > My question is could you all tell me what three bikes on the list you would > consider and why? I really appreciate your help. Also are there any Suzuki > lovers out there? I am not a Suzuki lover...so please tell kme something to > make me consider a suzuki. Thanks all. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 25 14:19:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5PIJJ815830 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA07309; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:18:52 -0400 From: zbig@XXXXXX To: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Need Advice on bikes (Thanks Brian) Message-ID: <20000625141852.A7300@kleks.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: * EmergeOut@XXXXXX (EmergeOut@XXXXXX) [000625 13:55]: > I am in the market for a new bike. The bikes I am considering are as follows: > OK, what is your ride now ? What type of riding you prefer ? Touring 1 + luggage, toruring 2 + luggage, cafe and back, saturday ride with pals, squidly show-off on beltway, dirt ridign :-). Bike type should suit your riding style & skills; try to describe yourself. > Honda Super Hawk (Used, but a great deal at only 7,000) Interesting bike, can be had cheap - supposedly 99 models are sold brand new around 6k. Short gas range, nice handling. > Honda CBR 600F4 ( We all know these are top of the line and have been proven) great all-round bike, street, touring, comfy and dependable, You can do nice sprty riding as well. > Kawasaki ZX-6R sporty, street, racing. > Kawasaki ZX-6 less sporty, still kawi. if cheap then maybe... > Suzuki GSX-R600 Nothing to say. > Suzuki Katana 600 or 750 light sport-touring. > Yamaha yzf-r6 Another racing/sporty/squidly bike. Needs decent skills - and can use lot of testosterons... > Yamaha yzf600r > Milder than R6, still on a sprty/squidly side. Still nice bike. For myself - I was looking at R6, but ended up with 929 RR, trading in from 1100XX. I was looking for a lighter bike, with decent power and acceptable ergos - majority of my rides is one day, 200-500 miles days, in the country; once or twice a year 2-3 days camping trip. I tend to accelerate in corners, so I was looking for a bike which handles well, and invite such ride; I usually slow down on straights to the point of receiving complains from anyone else :-). _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 00' Blade C43 AMG - Silver Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 25 14:25:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5PIP9815939 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va24-14.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.206]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA02963; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39567934.60EB6F94@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:27:16 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vtrman@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What the hell???(Saturday Ride) References: <000201bfde46$2f577140$39a7d03f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matt, I am glad to hear that you're not staying mad. Certainly, I am learning as I go about being a ride leader. And after Saturday's experience, the basic rule for future mishaps on my rides will be as you suggested: > The ONLY point I want to make, is that if a mishap does occur, the entire > group should stop until it is sorted out one way or the other. That way > only the people that NEED to stop have to stop (in this case Constantino had > to go home, but was fine to go unescorted) and no one gets left behind just > because they stop to check on someone with a mishap. I think that's a good way to handle such situations and wouldn't disagree with you one bit. I'm glad to hear that you're > not going to just 'take my ball and go > home' like a whiny bitch and do hope you'll ride with the DC-Cycles folks again sometime in the (near) future. Either another ride that I might be leading or someone else's ride (BTW, is anyone else going to start leading rides???) My own experience is that they are a good bunch of folks who are fun to ride with and hang out with. Please tell Constantino that I'm sorry about what happened to him and his R1. I figured new rims were going to set him back. Ouch! Hope he is able to be up and running ASAP. Finally, hope you can come to the next Bike Night (3) which will be on Tuesday, July 18th at Grevey's in Falls Church. All the info is on the website at http://www.geocities.com/bikenight. Cheers, Chuck, aka Skittles Big Matty wrote: > > Chuck & David, thank you for your responses. No I'm not looking to be or > stay mad, its the last thing I want. Nor will I make any blanket judgments > about individuals or clubs. (I only used the DC Cycles list because it was > my only contact with the people from today, not because I wanted to point a > finger at the club/list members) > > The ONLY point I want to make, is that if a mishap does occur, the entire > group should stop until it is sorted out one way or the other. That way > only the people that NEED to stop have to stop (in this case Constantino had > to go home, but was fine to go unescorted) and no one gets left behind just > because they stop to check on someone with a mishap. David was very > unselfish to send everyone on, expecting his ride to be over, but it would > have been more selfless for the group to chill at the next intersection or > safe spot, and give him (and me) ten minutes to find out if our days really > needed to be over or not. > > Maybe some people disagree with me on that, and that's fine, I won't argue > because everyone is entitled to their own views. Just don't go on a ride > that I lead. > > Chuck, I don't expect perfection of you or any ride leader and certainly > cannot offer it myself. And from your pre-ride discussions, ground rules, > etc., you're probably better ride leader than you think you are. I do hope > to ride with you (all) again, I'm not going to just 'take my ball and go > home' like a whiny bitch. Its over. > > David, thanks again, and yes it was fun chasing 'em down, and that lady was > a bitch! Sorry about that light ha ha! > > PS. Constantino said the rims will cost him $700 to replace. Is it > possible or advisable to fix that sort of thing? -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 25 15:36:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.244]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5PJa5817080 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 15:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12753 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2000 19:35:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (24.15.187.164) by flash4.flashmail.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2000 19:35:39 -0000 Message-ID: <39565ED8.4D771146@flashmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 15:34:48 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: EmergeOut@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Need Advice on bikes (Thanks Brian) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit EmergeOut@XXXXXX wrote: > > I am in the market for a new bike. The bikes I am considering are as follows: > > Honda Super Hawk (Used, but a great deal at only 7,000) > Honda CBR 600F4 ( We all know these are top of the line and have been proven) > Kawasaki ZX-6R > Kawasaki ZX-6 > Suzuki GSX-R600 > Suzuki Katana 600 or 750 > Yamaha yzf-r6 > Yamaha yzf600r > > My question is could you all tell me what three bikes on the list you would > consider and why? More importantly, you should tell us what you are looking for in a bike and why? Streetbike or track bike? Daily rider or weekend toy? I think all the bikes you listed are good, solid choices, no glaring faults with any of them. If I *had* to choose....? The YZF600r, a reliable, proven design, good ergos for someone my size, more handling and performance than I'll probably ever be able to use, decent gas mileage (60+ mpg) when used in a commuting role. ZX-6 would probably be a close second, for the same reasons. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 25 18:41:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5PMfK819777 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va21-49.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.113]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA27726 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3956B548.81801D0A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:43:36 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Greg McQuide killed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am passing this info along from posts on alt.motorcycle.sportbike. I've always enjoyed McQuide's "style" and was bummed to learn about this. Peter Roehling wrote: > According to a story on www.2wf.com Motorcyclist Magazine associate > editor Greg McQuide was killed Friday in a motorcycle accident in North > Carolina. A truck apparently cut him off. > > Might be nice to send condolences to the guys at Motorcyclist. > E-mail address is: mcmail@XXXXXX Bob Proctor wrote: > Although all details are still not known, I found the link below to an > Ashville NC newspaper article that does tell some more of the story. > > Gods Speed Greg McQuide > > http://www.citizen-times.com/cgi-bin/story.cgi?news&20000625_n12.txt > -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 25 18:52:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web310.mail.yahoo.com (web310.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5PMqW820008 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000625225225.4984.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web310.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 15:52:25 PDT Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 15:52:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: need bike advice To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii EmergeOut wrote: >I am in the market for a new bike. The bikes I am considering are as >follows: > >Honda Super Hawk (Used, but a great deal at only 7,000) Actually, if you're willing to travel, one of the bike shops local to me here in michigan just advertised a BRAND NEW VTR1000 (99 model) for $5900... as for used, from what I have seen, 6300-6800 seems more the norm... >My question is could you all tell me what three bikes on the list you >would >consider and why? I really appreciate your help. Also are there any >Suzuki >lovers out there? I am not a Suzuki lover...so please tell kme >something to >make me consider a suzuki. Thanks all. I am a suzuki lover (honda .. phooey.. hehe) but as a brand new rider, I'd recommend away from the top o the line models.. just wasted money for the first bike... I would recommend the kanotuna (katana), ZX-6, an older CBR, or the YZF 600... YZF600 would be my pick for best over all, and since the R6 is out there, it's a bit cheaper than an F4, or similar... I love suzi's, but the GSXR6 is getting to be a dinosaur and becuase of suzuki's power curve I'd wouldn't recommend the GSXR line to a new rider... same for R6.. way to peaky for the inexperienced rider... Just my thoughts.. Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 25 20:03:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.9]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5Q03G821134 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id r.d3.639ce3b (7879); Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:03:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:03:01 EDT Subject: Re: DS-Cycles Racing in SC To: gixer_racer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 In a message dated 6/24/00 11:17:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gixer_racer@XXXXXX writes: << I hope you don't "fell like foggy" hehe and hope you whoop some vintage but down at SC.. >> Hahahaa, I didn't fall I took 5th in my class Formula-500 and took 4th in my "bump up" class V-3, maybe I'll stick to racing against 750s. Did have a dice with a Ducati in Formula 500 that resulted in a 100+ MPH bump on one of the wide sweepers. Friggin guy tried to repass me on the outside after I passed him. He went wide after the bump. I nearly went straight at the end of the front straight and then did a monster slide and tank slapper shortly afterwards trying to get away from him (Thinking he was an insane "rogue" Vintage rider) .Then it dawned on me that he was in a different class so after I noticed that the next guy in my class was nowhere in sight behind me, I slowed down and let him pass on one of the straights. Tried to blame me right after the race, but apologized to me at the awards ceremony in front of everyone. Said he was just pissed that his bike was having problems and should not have tried an outside pass. That was cool. Considering we were racing locals that knew the track, everyone did ok Saturday. The youngsters (Moran, Roach and Fass) were competitive. Randy took third, Bryan would have probably won had he not lost his throttle grip (yeah a bummer), and Brad was mid-pack till he had an unfortunate fall (his muffler touched and it levered him off). Have to get a report on how they did Sunday. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 25 20:45:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from boo-mda02.boo.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [216.200.67.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5Q0j3821797 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp-boonet2-77.boo.net (ppp-boonet2-77.boo.net [208.184.99.77]) by boo-mda02.boo.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA13899 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:44:44 -0400 Received: by ppp-boonet2-77.boo.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BFDEE5.A5807700@XXXXXX>; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:40:49 -0400 Message-ID: <01BFDEE5.A5807700@ppp-boonet2-77.boo.net> From: Janey Cohen To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Sat. Ride/Balt. Area Roads Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:40:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BFDEE5.A5899EC0" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BFDEE5.A5899EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll second that sentiment: Organizing and leading a ride is too = often a thankless task. I had a great time on the Saturday ride, and I = hope to join many more in the future. Thanks again, Chuck. Does anyone on the list have road recommendations for the areas = between Baltimore and Fredrick, MD? I'm generally familiar with the = roads south and west of Fredrick--including the roads we travelled on = Saturday--but I've never ridden in the areas west and northwest of = Baltimore. Any suggestions? Kurt Slawson 1996 VFR 750F = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: "Han Park" To: Subject: Re: What the hell???(Saturday Ride) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:35:07 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I would like to thank Chuck for being ride leader this past = saturday. It was a fun ride. I was 1 or 2 bikes behind the R1 when he hit the = pothole (and the rear of his bike wiggled all over the place). I'm unsure of = the ride etiquette, but Chuck was genuinely concerned and made the best = decision that he could at the time. Chuck I hope you lead more rides, because I appreciate it. 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Speaking for myself, I can't track more than ~4 headlights in my mirrors, so it's difficult to KNOW when a problem has occurred. Here's a suggested solution: At each turn, the 2nd rider waits for all the following riders to pass & rejoins the ride as the last rider. If a problem occurs, It becomes apparent to the leader when there's only 1 or two bikes following. At that point it's time to reverse the ride route and find the problem. This system works particularly well if riders are willing to ride ~same speeds. Not so well if there's a slow and fast group trying to ride the same route. If the route is complex, with a lot of route changes, it's better to provide a duplicate route sheet to the other group & establish rendezvous points where everyone can catch up. Then each group follows the suggested procedure between rendezvous. The electronic approach: The 2nd & last (drag) rider agree to maintain position and are equipped with bike-bike communicators. (This leaves the ride leader free to concentrate on the route). If the drag rider encounters a problem, it becomes the 2nd rider's duty to inform the leader and stop the ride until the problem is resolved. A third approach requires much more discipline: All riders agree to STOP at a route change until the following rider is visible. This requires that everyone agree to maintain position or the slowest rider ends up at the end of the line without knowing it & waits forever for the following rider. David "RoutemeiSTer" Thompson http://home.rochester.rr.com/backroads/ Rochester NY AMA# 504560 STOC# 840 Current STable 90 Suzuki DR350S 91 Honda ST1100 94 Honda VFR From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 25 23:24:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5Q3Oe824108 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-209.244.84.36.Washington2.Level3.net [209.244.84.36]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA12844 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:24:29 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: Subject: RE: What the hell???(Saturday Ride) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:19:26 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bfdf1d$550379c0$2454f4d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <030d01bfdec3$52faa450$3b0a0a0a@answerlogic.com> No, there are no bad feelings from either of us. -----Original Message----- From: Han Park [mailto:hpark@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 12:35 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What the hell???(Saturday Ride) I would like to thank Chuck for being ride leader this past saturday. It was a fun ride. I was 1 or 2 bikes behind the R1 when he hit the pothole (and the rear of his bike wiggled all over the place). I'm unsure of the ride etiquette, but Chuck was genuinely concerned and made the best decision that he could at the time. Chuck I hope you lead more rides, because I appreciate it. Constantine (R1 rider) hope you get your bike fixed and I'm sorry about any bad feelings from the ride. han ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles V. Pena To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 7:31 PM Subject: Re: What the hell???(Saturday Ride) > Matt, > > First of all, I'm sorry about what happened to your friend > (Constantine?) who I believe was on the r/b/w R1, right? And I'm sorry > about what happened to you too. And since you asked for a response from > me, here it is. I'm going to be repeating some of what Dave Cross > wrote. > > 1. I am new to this whole (volunteer) ride leader thing. (Actually, > I'm a relatively new m/c rider. Been on my '93 GSXR 750 since January > 1999.) I think I've been pretty up front in almost all my posts that I > may not be the best or most experienced person to be leading rides. > Nonetheless, I've now volunteered on three different occassions to lead > rides. And I'm doing my best. And I know I'm learning as I go. > > 2. Dave did finally manage to alert me to what happened (I have to > admit that with ear plugs in, a full face helmet on, and a motor > droning, it's heard for me to hear anybody trying to talk to me on a m/c > and as far as I know there's no universal signal for "somebody in the > back of the group just had a problem"). What Dave did was wait for it > was safe enough for him to get ahead of me (and the rest of the group) > and then signal us to pull over when there was a place where we could > all pull over. > > 3. Dave then explained what happened. After much hand-wringing, it was > decided that Dave would go back to provide whatever assistance he > could. He said he could give your friend a ride on his m/c, if > necessary. Or use his cell phone to call for roadside assistance. He > also said not to wait (and I and others asked "Are you sure?") and that > he would try to catch back up with us. > > 4. To be honest, I don't know what 12 of us would've been able to do by > turning around given the problem that was described -- bent rim(s). And > given where it happened, I don't know where we would've found room for > 12 other m/c's by the side of the road. > > I can understand how/why you're upset. All I can do is offer my sincere > apology and say "I'm sorry." Neither I nor the group was out to "screw" > you or your friend. I don't know if this explanation makes you feel any > better (probably not), but at least I hope you have a better > understanding of what happened (and why). If you want to be mad about > it, go ahead and blame me -- not the group and certainly not the > DC-Cycles list. > > Regards, > Chuck > '93 GSXR 750 > > Big Matty wrote: > > > > This morning my friend and I joined 12 other bikes that left the java shack > > promptly at 9:30. Shortly thereafter, along McArthur Blvd just after > > crossing into Montgomery County, my friend hits a MAJOR pothole and bends > > both rims (thankfully and miraculously not wrecking his bike as well). > > > > I stopped to help him and see what was up. After some time, one single bike > > from the group came back to offer assistance if we needed it. Since my > > friend insisted that he was fine enough to get his bike home by himself and > > wanted me to go on, I decided to go with the other guy that came back from > > the group. > > > > I regret not asking his name when I had the chance, but I think he was on a > > Red VFR: THANK YOU!! > > > > Now here's the amazing part. When I go off with Red VFR guy, I come to find > > out that the ENTIRE rest of the group just took off! The guy that came back > > did not even know the route that was planned for the day. He told me that > > someone said they MAY stop at the next gas station, but they did not. So, > > since I knew at least the first part of the route out to Poolesville we kept > > on and caught up with the pack along River Road. > > > > At that point I was so disgusted that I had no desire to continue with this > > particular group. Now, this was my and my friend's first experience riding > > with any of these guys, or any guys from DC Cycles for that matter. I'm > > trying very hard to not make firm judgements on one incident, so I'm going > > to phrase this as a question: > > > > WHY did the group not stop? Chuck Pena, as the ride "leader" I would > > especially like to hear from you. I have ridden with enough groups to know > > that if something goes wrong, everyone stops. That way, even if everything > > is OK at least the group is not split up and no one is left behind as > > punishment for helping someone else out. This is very simple etiquette. > > > > I would be very glad to hear any explanations that make sense of this, > > because otherwise I have no desire to to ride with or be associated with > > this or any other group that cannot handle the basics of a group motorcycle > > ride. > > > > Very Disgruntled, > > Matt > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 25 23:33:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5Q3Xc824276 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va10-55.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.183]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA17090; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3956F9C9.2AF4F5C7@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:35:53 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Janey Cohen CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Sat. Ride/Balt. Area Roads References: <01BFDEE5.A5807700@ppp-boonet2-77.boo.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Janey Cohen wrote : > > Does anyone on the list have road recommendations for the areas between Baltimore and Fredrick, MD? I'm generally familiar with the roads south and west of Fredrick--including the roads we travelled on Saturday--but I've never ridden in the areas west and northwest of Baltimore. Any suggestions? Kurt, When you figure out the roads up there, I'm volunteering you to lead a ride! %^) Chuck, aka Skittles -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 25 23:36:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5Q3af824363 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:36:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va10-55.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.183]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA10717; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3956FA80.88030A03@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:38:56 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David VFR Thompson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What the hell???(Saturday Ride) -Suggestions References: <001b01bfdf11$7767e980$c7c55f18@rochester.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David, Part of the "problem" on Saturday was because we had so many riders. It was actually my first time riding with than many people, let alone being responsible for leading the ride! I like your suggestion below the best. When I went on my first DC-Cycles ride with Collin (this spring), he and Anita were in contact with each other via helmet radio. But you gotta have these things to be able to use them! Unfortunately, they're not part of my budget. I'd love to give them a try if someone has a pair that I could borrow sometime. Cheers, Chuck, aka Skittles David VFR Thompson wrote : > > The electronic approach: The 2nd & last (drag) rider agree to maintain > position and are equipped with bike-bike communicators. (This leaves the > ride leader free to concentrate on the route). If the drag rider encounters > a problem, it becomes the 2nd rider's duty to inform the leader and stop the > ride until the problem is resolved. From dc-cycles-request Sun Jun 25 23:43:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5Q3h8824457 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-209.244.84.36.Washington2.Level3.net [209.244.84.36]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA23085; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "Mark Bergman" , Subject: RE: bent rims Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:37:58 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bfdf1f$ec282f60$2454f4d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200006251540.LAA03048@merctech.com> Thanks to the people that have sent info about the rims. He'll be back on the road quickly I'm sure. I started replying to the other messages about the incident and thoughts of angry emails referring to "dead horses" coming to me put an end to it. Whether you agreed with me or not, I appreciate everyone that at least considered what I had to say for what it was. Regarding ride leads, I will certainly offer to do so in the coming months (depending on my travelling) if it will bring about more group rides, and will be looking forward to Chuck's next outing. See you at Grevey's. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Mark Bergman [mailto:bergman@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 11:40 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: bent rims Gee, does anyone archive dc-cycles, or check their old mail? I sent this out on March 3. ------- Forwarded Message X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: "Marcy" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: potholes! In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 03 Mar 2000 13:25:01 EST." <200003031831.KAA08926@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 14:06:14 -0500 From: Mark You probably bent your rim. My condolonces. If you are comfortable riding on a repaired rim (I have for ~6 years), try: Dave Moore Wheel Service I don't know if he's moved, but www.bigyellow.com gives 2 addresses: David Moore Wheel Service Apple Valley, CA 92307 (760) 240-3543 Moore David Wheel Service Alhambra, CA 91801 (626) 280-9815 (I remember the Alhambra address) And Usenet gives a phone number that seems familiar to me from when I used his services: 818-280-9815 => => be careful out there ... Yep. And check your tire pressure _before_ you hit a pothole. Having too little air means that your rims will bend more easily ($$ and/or sudden loss of pressure). Mark ------- End of Forwarded Message --==_Exmh_-5630879080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 26 00:16:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f251.hotmail.com [216.32.181.251]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5Q4Gb825209 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5588 invoked by uid 0); 26 Jun 2000 04:16:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20000626041629.5587.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.253.113.162 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 21:16:29 PDT X-Originating-IP: [63.253.113.162] From: "No Body" To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday ride - big group! Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:16:29 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Great ride Chuck, had a lot of fun. Thanks for the leading the ride, posting the ride route etc. Wide open curves are a lot more fun than blind ones, for me atleast. Had fun meeting everyone. Should do another one very soon, every weekend perhaps :-) Regards Sanath ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 26 00:18:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from merctech.com (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [63.24.193.59]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5Q4It825227 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from merctech.com (IDENT:bergman@biber [127.0.0.1]) by merctech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05292; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:18:41 -0400 From: bergman@XXXXXX Message-Id: <200006260418.AAA05292@merctech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: "David VFR Thompson" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: bergman@XXXXXX Subject: Keeping together (Was: Re: What the hell???(Saturday Ride) -Suggestions) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 25 Jun 2000 21:54:29 EDT." <001b01bfdf11$7767e980$c7c55f18@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:18:41 -0400 In your message dated: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 21:54:29 EDT, your pithy ruminations on we re: => This isn't original (I found it on a UK list) but it's one way to resolve => the problem encountered + a few others that often occur. Speaking for => myself, I can't track more than ~4 headlights in my mirrors, so it's => difficult to KNOW when a problem has occurred. One of the reasons I dislike leading rides is because it's simply hard to see bikes and keep count of them in my mirrors. => => Here's a suggested solution: At each turn, the 2nd rider waits for all the => following riders to pass & rejoins the ride as the last rider. If a problem => occurs, It becomes apparent to the leader when there's only 1 or two bikes => following. At that point it's time to reverse the ride route and find the => problem. That'll mean a lot of place switching...always a source of confusion (the "hey, wasn't there a red bike behind me" thing). => => This system works particularly well if riders are willing to ride ~same => speeds. Not so well if there's a slow and fast group trying to ride the same => route. If the route is complex, with a lot of route changes, it's better to => provide a duplicate route sheet to the other group & establish rendezvous => points where everyone can catch up. Then each group follows the suggested => procedure between rendezvous. I'd strongly suggest that _every_ planned ride come with printed route sheets! => => The electronic approach: The 2nd & last (drag) rider agree to maintain => position and are equipped with bike-bike communicators. (This leaves the => ride leader free to concentrate on the route). If the drag rider encounters => a problem, it becomes the 2nd rider's duty to inform the leader and stop the => ride until the problem is resolved. Lots of potential for confusion...poor batteries, signal loss, etc., etc. => => A third approach requires much more discipline: All riders agree to STOP at => a route change until the following rider is visible. This requires that => everyone agree to maintain position or the slowest rider ends up at the end => of the line without knowing it & waits forever for the following rider. That's worked well in a number of the groups that I ride with. An alternative to that is to simply say that you will modify (slow) your pace to ensure that you can see the bike behind you and in front of you on straights or any route change. This way people can spread out a bit, not everyone has to stop at every intersection, but each rider must have the discipline to keep the others in sight. Mark => => David "RoutemeiSTer" Thompson => http://home.rochester.rr.com/backroads/ => Rochester NY => AMA# 504560 STOC# 840 => Current STable => 90 Suzuki DR350S => 91 Honda ST1100 => 94 Honda VFR => => -- Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 26 00:31:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from merctech.com (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [63.24.193.59]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5Q4VT825477 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:31:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from merctech.com (IDENT:bergman@biber [127.0.0.1]) by merctech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05399; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:31:23 -0400 From: bergman@XXXXXX Message-Id: <200006260431.AAA05399@merctech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: "Todd Peer" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: bergman@XXXXXX Subject: Flat fixes In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 25 Jun 2000 13:08:46 EDT." <000d01bfdec8$05da95e0$fd89a4d8@todd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:31:23 -0400 In your message dated: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 13:08:46 EDT, your pithy ruminations on were: => => Here's a suggestion to everyone who rides. Carry tools and a way to patch a => tire and refill it with air. I have a patch kit and tiny air compressor I => always carry on my ST1100, but felt quite exposed to the possibility of => being stranded with a flat yesterday. I had nothing, no tools or repair kit => with me yesterday. Gonna have to find a way to carry these things on the => limited space of the VTR. I carry 4 or so CO2 cartridges (not the supermarket seltzer sized ones...a bit larger), a tube the screws onto the tire valve stem and the CO2 cartridge, and a patch kit. BMW makes a nice one (at BMW prices), or you can put the pieces together yourself (I think that MotionPro also sells it as a kit). If you've never plugged a radial tire before, I'd _strongly_ suggest that you practice. The next time you're about to get new tires, deliberately put a nail into your tire, then see how hard it is to do the patching yourself. The process of reaming out the hole to insert the patch does take some practice. You should also get used to seeing how many CO2 cartridges it will take to really inflate a tire. Practice it at home, before you've got to do a patch on the side of the road, in the dark, in the rain. Oh, if you already carry a patch kit, that's great. If it's more than a year old, check the tubes of cement and the plugs. If the cement has evaporated, and the plugs are dry and hard, the kit won't do you any good. Mark => => Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) => <----------------------------------------> => * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, => * '83 VT500c(sold), => * '92 CB750 (sold), => * '94 XT350 (sold) => * SS1k, FiTe V => * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) => * 152,000 miles and counting => <----------------------------------------> => => -- Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 26 01:33:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5Q5Xl826381 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 01:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 1cust109.tnt4.phoenix2.az.da.uu.net [63.28.190.109] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:33:36 -0700 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re: What the hell???(Saturday Ride) -Suggestions Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:34:38 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01bfdf30$382c8810$6dbe1c3f@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal As for keeping people in touch - usually on the group rides, for each group (more-so for the faster ones than the slower ones) - we've always tried to put someone confident and capable at the rear in sweerper. Such an example with myself on the Memorial Day ride.. I was on a HD and wouldn't have done much good up front or in the middle (I was actually able to back off and have more fun in the corners from the rear as it were)... but Collin KNOWS how I ride, and that it's a rare day that I have problems when on the street.. he also knows that if someone should go down, I have basic first aid skills, not to mention my experience dealing with down riders at the racetrack... >From there, all you do is make sure that you can see the person behind you at all times. It's a slower stopping effect (usually the front group will be stopped at a major intersection and half the group will be missing - but it'll be the front group who are traditionally faster and more capable to come back quickly). Also, stop at MAJOR intersections, stop-signs, stoplights until the sweep rider is seen.... Having 2-way communication would be the best solution - but in a world were not everyone has all the toys and gizmos, but wants to get out and ride - the above has been proven to work very well over the past 3 years of DC-Cycles group rides (some with upwards of 40 riders and Collin way up front pulling wheelies.. :P) Hope everyone figgures it out over the course of the summer... that's something that's definatally lacking from the list now-days... and you'll notice that as people get to know each other in person, the flame wars die off through the list. Anyway.. I just put a new (to me, saw it on a Leon Deer bike sometime in the past) toy, time to go out and ride around to see if the placement suits me.. Cheers, Brian McCoy - your Phoenix, MMI corispondant. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 26 07:32:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e21.nc.us.ibm.com (e21.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5QBWX803268 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 07:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e21.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA64040; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 07:22:21 -0500 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.36]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v4.9) with SMTP id HAA35042; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 07:32:24 -0400 Received: by d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525690A.003F63AA ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 07:32:22 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525690A.003F616A.00@d54mta04.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 07:32:14 -0400 Subject: RE: Real Motorcycle Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Well done, sir! Nothing like a thumper. :) Rich '99 Enfield Bullet From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:33:33 EDT Subject: Real Motorcycle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Will have at next ride - the minimum number of cylinders and wheels to get the job done - none of this wussy electric start stuff, either. The SRX-6 passed safety inspection today and is back on the road!! Yee Hah!! Four years and about a week since it last rolled under its own power. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 26 09:07:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5QD7P804625 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va9-06.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.70]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03989; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <395780E6.74403459@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:12:23 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: No Body CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday ride - big group! References: <20000626041629.5587.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sanath, Glad you enjoyed the ride. And glad I (and others) finally got a chance to meet you after trading so many different emails with you (and your promises of showing up to ride!) Cheers, Chuck No Body wrote: > > Great ride Chuck, had a lot of fun. Thanks for the leading the ride, posting > the ride route etc. Wide open curves are a lot more fun than blind ones, for > me atleast. Had fun meeting everyone. Should do another one very soon, every > weekend perhaps :-) > > Regards > Sanath > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 26 09:28:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5QDSA804938 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:28:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cweaver (natpool0.1.vantas.net [12.17.21.129] (may be forged)) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA15371; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Chris Weaver" To: , Subject: RE: Need Advice on bikes (Thanks Brian) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:30:32 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01bfdf72$b49b36c0$06026e0a@vitalspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I own a Honda Superhawk (VTR1000), and I can say that it's an excellent bike. It does have a lot of power - it feels like more than most 100hp bikes since it's a twin and the power is concentrated in the midrange. My bike feels stronger than my roommate's Triumph Daytona which has 15-20 more horsepower. If you'll be comfortable with that kind of power and engine-braking, go for it. I haven't had any trouble in about 17,000 miles so far. Easiest wheelies in your list, if you care about that. In order, I'd pick the following out of the rest of your list: CBR-F4, ZX6R, YZF6R, R6, ZX6, GSXR, Katana. The Katanas seem pretty gutless to me (I have several friends who own them), so I put them last. I only know what I read in the mags for the rest of them. Chris Weaver '98 VTR1000 -----Original Message----- From: EmergeOut@XXXXXX [mailto:EmergeOut@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 1:27 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Need Advice on bikes (Thanks Brian) I am in the market for a new bike. The bikes I am considering are as follows: Honda Super Hawk (Used, but a great deal at only 7,000) Honda CBR 600F4 ( We all know these are top of the line and have been proven) Kawasaki ZX-6R Kawasaki ZX-6 Suzuki GSX-R600 Suzuki Katana 600 or 750 Yamaha yzf-r6 Yamaha yzf600r My question is could you all tell me what three bikes on the list you would consider and why? I really appreciate your help. Also are there any Suzuki lovers out there? I am not a Suzuki lover...so please tell kme something to make me consider a suzuki. Thanks all. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 26 09:39:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5QDdK805099 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va9-06.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.70]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19832; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39578862.108E89D4@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:44:18 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles CC: Bannon Wysocki , Jay Ribera , Pete Wysocki Subject: Saturday (7/1) and Monday (7/3) rides Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, I'm going to have another go at organizing/leading a ride! %^) This is just a "heads up". More details to follow later. SATURDAY, July 1st I'm actually trying to convince Danny "Holeshot" Thompson to lead this ride since he's the better rider and know the roads better (and I feel like I kinda need a break from leading). But the idea will be to meet at the Sheetz at the intersection of 55 and 15 in Haymarket. Probably at 9am. The route I proposed to Danny (I am waiting to hear back from him to see if he's willing to lead this ride) is to go out to 211 and go out and back over Thornton Gap. Then back up into Front Royal via Flint Hill and Chester Gap. And then basically take the roads that follow the Shenandoah River. Dump out onto Route 7 and the go up and over Mount Weather on 601 back to Rouge 50. This is definitely a twistier ride than last Saturday or Father's Day. MONDAY, July 3rd This is still a tentative ride. I need to check with my better half about any potential plans for Monday (since we're both taking the day off of work). But in all likelihood this will be more of an "impromptu" ride leaving from The Java Shack in Arlington, VA -- 2507 N. Franklin St., where N. Barton and N. Franklin meet at Wilson Blvd. (next to Mr. Tire). Probably leave late morning (but NLT 10am). Probably some variation of the Father's Day route (and might even do some exploring to find new roads to ride on). For those of you who had problems finding (or not finding, as the case might be) The Java Shack on Saturday: - If you're coming up Wilson Blvd. from Rosslyn, N. Barton/N. Franklin is inbetween Courthouse and Clarendon. The Mr. Tire is on the right side at a traffic light intersection (Papa John's pizza on the left). The Java Shack is right next door to the Mr. Tire. - If you're coming down Clarendon Blvd. from Ballston, go past the Fresh Fields and the Riggs Bank (both on the left) and turn left on N. Barton (4-way, traffic light). You'll see Mr. Tire and The Java Shack across the street from the next traffic light (Wilson Blvd.) I will post again as soon as these rides are "finalized". But at least y'all have some idea of what's planned. BTW, does anybody have a pair of Chatterbox helmet radios they're willing to loan out??? Cheers, Skittles, aka Chuck From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 26 09:45:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from portal.east.saic.com (portal.east.saic.com [198.151.13.15]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5QDj3805271 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mclmx.saic.com by portal.east.saic.com via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 26 Jun 2000 13:45:03 UT Received: from [149.8.64.19] by mclmx.mail.saic.com; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:43:36 -0400 Received: from mcl-its-exbh01.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.11]) by 149.8.64.19 (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 13:40:21 0000 (GMT) Received: by mcl-its-exbh01.saic.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:43:43 -0400 Message-Id: <6B3D994408CBD11182B300805F15FCBB01D910ED@us-mclean-03.mail.saic.com> From: "Pflieger, Matthew M." To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Bent Rims Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:43:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Oh, I meant to also mention that Constantino and I did go back to the spot where the pothole was after I returned and it was just over the line into Montgomery county. He's been making calls and looking into getting reimbursement from the county on getting his repairs covered. I'll let you all know how it turns out for future reference. Matt From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 26 10:53:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5QErN807312 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:53:41 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062CF0@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Tire Recommendation Needed Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:45:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Hello all: Back from pulling motorcycle crew duty for the DC AIDS Ride. WOW. It was awesome, and a big thank you to all DC Cycles members that participated (Morris Berman, Rich McCreadie, Bill Huson, and any others I am not aware are on this list). As any of them know, my MEZ4s are getting BALD, especially the front. A few good burnouts and the rear will be shot too (-:. So I am thinking of putting D207s on my 1991 VFR. My sportriding has improved this year due to Keith Code and more instruction from DC Cycles riders. I am ready for a sticker tire. Can anyone think of a better tire? If so, please let me know. Thanks, Mark Kitchell From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 26 11:16:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5QFGa808087 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cweaver (ip-216-73-146-57.vantas.net [216.73.146.57]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA15909; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Chris Weaver" To: "'Mark Kitchell'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Tire Recommendation Needed Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:18:58 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bfdf81$da6831a0$05026e0a@vitalspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062CF0@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Mark, I have 207s on my Superhawk right now. I'm thinking of trying the Michelin Pilot Sports next, as I've heard a lot of good things about them. You might consider reading up on them. I think you'll find info in several online mags (motorcycle.com springs to mind) and in the print mags. One of the US mags had a big tire review a few months ago - you might find a copy in your local library. Good luck. If you get the Pilots, let me know how they are. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:Mkitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 10:46 AM To: 'DC Cycles' Subject: Tire Recommendation Needed Hello all: Back from pulling motorcycle crew duty for the DC AIDS Ride. WOW. It was awesome, and a big thank you to all DC Cycles members that participated (Morris Berman, Rich McCreadie, Bill Huson, and any others I am not aware are on this list). As any of them know, my MEZ4s are getting BALD, especially the front. A few good burnouts and the rear will be shot too (-:. So I am thinking of putting D207s on my 1991 VFR. My sportriding has improved this year due to Keith Code and more instruction from DC Cycles riders. I am ready for a sticker tire. Can anyone think of a better tire? If so, please let me know. Thanks, Mark Kitchell From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 26 11:16:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5QFGm808097 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj [192.9.200.178] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.T) for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:15:29 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Tire Recommendation Needed Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:23:02 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.178 Mark, I think the D207s are good tires. I have a set on my ZX9 that have around 7K miles on them and are still going OK. A little flat spotted, but still usable tread. The Dunlops have a more triangular profile than most other brands. Makes for quicker turn in, but that isn't always preferable on the street. I personally prefer smooth to quick on the street. The Bridgestone BT56SS are supposed to be good tires, good stick/decent mileage. Their profile will be the more rounded profile you're used to from your MEs. If you're going to do some track days, the 207s are pretty nice. I did a track day the first week I owned my current set of 207s, very sticky and predictable. Those are my short list for replacements on my bike. The 207s have always won the price contest in the past, but I hear the BT56s are in the same ballpark. Jay St. Peter '95 ZX9R '93 F2 Racebike (For Sale) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 26 11:22:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5QFMD808176 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:22:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va6-30.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.94]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA03688; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3957A074.128A85D3@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:27:00 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Tire Recommendation Needed References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062CF0@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do you mean Dunlop D207GPs? These are their DOT race tires. A different tire than the D207. More expensive. Might not be the best tire for mostly street riding (YMMV and others' opinions may differ). I know the Brit mags are advertising a new Dunlop 207 that is supposed to be comparable to the Michelin Pilot Sport and Bridgestone BT56SS, i.e., a "high performance" street tire for "real world" sportbike riding that can hold its own at a track day. Don't know if these are available yet in the U.S. And I know Collin and Brian rave about the Avon Azaros as a good street sportbike tire. FWIW, I love my Bridgestone BT56SS tires. Loads of grip -- except if you push the tire beyond the edge like I did at CSS@VIR! %^) I'm getting really good wear (so far) -- I expect to get at least 5,000 miles on the set, if not a little more. And they are dirt cheap (mail order). You can probably pick up a front and rear for under $200. Your Bike Night partner in crime, Chuck, aka Skittles Mark Kitchell wrote : > > As any of them know, my MEZ4s are getting BALD, especially the front. A few > good burnouts and the rear will be shot too (-:. So I am thinking of > putting D207s on my 1991 VFR. My sportriding has improved this year due to > Keith Code and more instruction from DC Cycles riders. I am ready for a > sticker tire. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 26 13:42:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com (c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com [24.5.28.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5QHg5810783 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 13:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 1cust109.tnt4.phoenix2.az.da.uu.net [63.28.190.109] by c286287-a.ptlum1.sfba.home.com; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:41:28 -0700 From: "Brian McCoy" To: Subject: Re: Tire Recommendation Needed Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:42:37 -0700 Message-ID: <000401bfdf95$eacba900$6dbe1c3f@tra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Guess I ought to jump in here and rave about my favorite brand and tire.. Avon Azzaros. I just replaced the rear not to long ago (I let it get a little long in the tooth, smooth down the middle) at just shy of 11,000 miles. I've done everything with those tires from long trips into the backroads of VA/WV/MD for some hard charging riding, to commuting back and forth to school and work everyday - heck, I even ran 3 track-days on these tires. Not once did they do anything unexpected (as long as I had the tire pressures where they are supposed to be.. no lower than 38psi cold). They're also fairly competitive on pricing - I think I spent $112 to have the rear shipped to me - which I mounted at the school.. and I believe fronts run about $85 before shipping. They don't have that V profile of the D207, and are less twitchy, with a little bit smoother transition when bending it into a corner. But I also have a lot of time and money invested in my suspension to get that right where I want it.. set up with these tires on the bike. That can account for a lot aswell...... Anyway, just had to rave about my favorite tires.... Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 26 13:50:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5QHoD811061 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 13:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhub1.trw.com by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:49:25 -0700 Received: (from SMTP [129.193.4.9]) by mailhub1 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 56) with SMTP id M2000062610490032343 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:49:01 -0700 Received: from RESVA-MS6 ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg1.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 17:21:08 0000 (GMT) Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:39:39 -0400 Message-Id: <3957876F.6F86F6D2@trw.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:40:15 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: DC Cycles in S.C. - Results Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It was another successful weekend for the small contingent of DC Cycles racers that made its way to Carolina Motorsports Park in cosmopolitan Kershaw, S.C. The weather was again oppressive, but we managed to stay hydrated and (mostly) coherent for the entire weekend. One small crash marred our otherwise perfect safety record, but neither bike nor rider were injured beyond scrapes. We all competed well and returned safely. The results in short: Brad Faas: Continued along his path of learning, crashed once, got back out there, came home safe. Fred Firmani: Padded his points total with a couple of strong finishes in the vintage classes. The bike seemed to run well and, at the conclusion of Saturday's activities, Fred retired to air-conditioned splendor at a local Holiday Inn. He kindly let some of us borrow his shower, which was really cool of him. It was freaking miserable in the sun all day and the water helped me feel human again. Thanks, Fred! He also bought dinner, so I'm petitioning the Pope for Fred's immediate beatification. Randy Moran: I had a great time on CMP's tight, twisty circuit, mostly relegated to following some faster riders from the third or fourth spot. The track is definitely a workout, with no real straights on which to rest and catch your breath. I managed a 4th on Saturday in the Lightweight Solo, and a 4th and 3rd in the Lightweight Twins and Heavyweight Twins on Sunday. I'd love to go back, but maybe when the weather is a little cooler. Brian Roach: Had a very successful weekend, waging a friendly battle with some of the local fast guys. A serious challenge for the Lightweight Solo victory on Saturday ended in a mechanical DNF when the throttle grip started to come off of the handlebar. On Sunday, he picked right back up where he left off, hassling the local speedsters and leading races at various points. He ended up with a second and a third place, keeping his streak of podium finishes alive. The trip home was long but uneventful, though we did manage to pay a visit to Pedro's Rocket City to pick up some bombs and missiles. It'll be a great 4th of July. ; ) Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. -- Randy Moran WERA Novice #696 http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ Sponsored by: Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.cortidesign.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 26 14:15:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5QIFm811491 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24402 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2000 18:15:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash3.flashmail.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2000 18:15:51 -0000 Message-ID: <3957C7AB.832D272A@flashmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:14:19 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian McCoy CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire Recommendation Needed References: <000401bfdf95$eacba900$6dbe1c3f@tra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian McCoy wrote: > > Guess I ought to jump in here and rave about my favorite brand and tire.. > Avon Azzaros. I just replaced the rear not to long ago (I let it get a > little long in the tooth, smooth down the middle) at just shy of 11,000 > miles. 11K miles on a tire with enough grip to keep Brian & Colin happy has impressed the hell out of me. Anyone else? Recently, a friend of mine on the COG list has been raving about Avon Elans for the Concours, saying they deliver Elite II-like mileage (20 to 30K) with enough grip for him (an ex-racer). I was a bit skeptical, having heard things about Avon's quality control problems in the past - but you guys are slowly working me over. Might actually try something other than Dunlops after I burn thru my small stash of tires. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 26 14:47:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5QIl3812135 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:46:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200006261446.AA298516922@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Police Seeking Witnesses to Scuffle on I-95 X-Mailer: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e5QIlQ812136 Police Seeking Witnesses to Scuffle on I-95 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A56586-2000Jun25.html Sunday, June 25, 2000; Page C04 After two Stafford men decided to duke it out in the middle of Friday night rush-hour traffic on southbound Interstate 95, Virginia State Police yesterday made a public request for witnesses to determine whom to charge in the altercation. The bout occurred among stopped cars near the truck scales in Dale City, police spokeswoman Lucy Caldwell said. She said Michael Pancione, 32, driving a Harley-Davidson motorcycle, and Mumini Bah, 49, driving a Toyota Tercel, disagreed over driving tactics, left their vehicles and began exchanging blows. Other motorists got out of their cars and separated the men, but as they returned to their vehicles, Bah allegedly rammed Pancione's motorcycle and then sped off in the HOV lane, Caldwell said. Bah later called police to offer a different version. Police hope to speak to some of the witnesses before filing charges, and asked anyone who saw the bout to call 703-323-4503. © 2000 The Washington Post Company From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 26 14:47:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5QIlh812147 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhub1.trw.com by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:47:09 -0700 Received: (from SMTP [129.193.4.9]) by mailhub1 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 56) with SMTP id M2000062611465720451 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:46:57 -0700 Received: from RESVA-MS6 ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg1.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:42:53 0000 (GMT) Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:42:45 -0400 Message-Id: <3957A44B.3C981C42@trw.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:43:24 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Tire Recommendation Needed References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062CF0@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Kitchell wrote: > Can anyone think of a better tire (than the D207s)? If so, please let > me know. Mark, I've had very good experiences with the Street Compound D207s. I actually began the racing season last year with a set on my ZX7. They slid predictably (when they slid), turned in nicely and seemed to provide reasonable wear under extreme conditions. Stick with the street compound though. I've heard that, on the street, you can't get enough heat in the race tires to actually take advantage of the grip. I've also had an experience which leads me to believe that might be a true statement. I've also used the Avon Azzarros on the ZX (on the street and for one Track Day) and I was very impressed with them as well. They are quite sticky, but they didn't seem to turn in as quickly as the Dunlops (thought that might be one on the ZX because that bike is kind of a piglet), but I think the wear might have been a little better than the 207s and they're also cheaper. They run higher pressures than most other tires I believe, and apparently it's important to follow those recommendations. If I were you I'd give the Avons a try, but of course you can't go wrong with the 207s. Randy Moran WERA Novice #696 http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ Sponsored by: Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.cortidesign.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 26 15:47:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ln01.spg.va.corp.rcn.net (ln01.spg.va.corp.rcn.net [207.172.5.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5QJlj813320 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Thanks moto-crew! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: James.Hoofnagle@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:46:03 -0400 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN01.Spg.Va/RCN(Release 5.0.3 |March 21, 2000) at 06/26/2000 03:46:08 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm glad to hear that everyone (almost) who stayed in town had a good time this weekend. I'm also glad to hear that misunderstandings have been dealt with rather than left to fester. But this posting is to say thank-you to Mark Kitchell and the members of the DC AIDS Ride moto-crew. For those of you who don't know, 19 of your fellow listers gave-up vacation time and a prime riding weekend to sleep in tents, wake-up at ridiculous hours of the morning, eat not-so-great food, and stand out on hot pavement all day (did I mention the 4 days of don's jons?). All in the name of helping escort me, my brother and 1623 other lycra clad bicyclist from Raleigh NC back to DC to help those infected with HIV. Lots of people talk about giving something back, you guys actually took action! Thank-You! Ya'all did a great job! Better than some Police forces that shall remain nameless (Arlington). Now I hope my GPz will forgive for ignoring it for 3 weeks. They can't hit you, if they can't catch you James Hoofnagle E-TKT Rider #2304 (recycling) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 26 17:49:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5QLnF815540 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 17:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000626214907.27267.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.136.133.58] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:49:07 PDT Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:49:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Tire Recommendation Needed To: chris.weaver@XXXXXX, "'Mark Kitchell'" , "'DC Cycles'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Chris Weaver wrote: > Mark, > > I have 207s on my Superhawk right now. I'm thinking > of trying the Michelin > Pilot Sports next, as I've heard a lot of good > things about them. You might > consider reading up on them. I think you'll find > info in several online mags > (motorcycle.com springs to mind) and in the print > mags. One of the US mags > had a big tire review a few months ago - you might > find a copy in your local > library. > > Good luck. If you get the Pilots, let me know how > they are. my new bike came with streetpilots on it....i can say that they are excellent tires, sticky as hell when they're hot for my next set i'm actually considering buying another set of streetpilots....something i never thought i would say after 1.5 years of 207s haven't looked at the prices though....if the streetpilots are $1 more expensive, i'm going back to dunlop > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell > Subject: Tire Recommendation Needed > > > I am ready for a sticker tire. > > Can anyone think of a better tire? If so, please > let me know. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 26 18:07:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5QM7j815903 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-248-117.s371.tnt8.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.248.117] helo=wskirt) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 136h2c-00022g-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:07:43 -0400 Message-ID: <005d01bfdfba$f39802c0$75f87ad1@wskirt> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062CF0@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Subject: Re: Tire Recommendation Needed Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:07:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 BT-56SS My favorite tire ever... firmer in the middle for great mileage sticky as all get out on the sides doesn't "fall in" as quickly as 207s, but I like that. Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "'DC Cycles'" Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 10:45 AM Subject: Tire Recommendation Needed > Hello all: > > Back from pulling motorcycle crew duty for the DC AIDS Ride. WOW. It was > awesome, and a big thank you to all DC Cycles members that participated > (Morris Berman, Rich McCreadie, Bill Huson, and any others I am not aware > are on this list). > > As any of them know, my MEZ4s are getting BALD, especially the front. A few > good burnouts and the rear will be shot too (-:. So I am thinking of > putting D207s on my 1991 VFR. My sportriding has improved this year due to > Keith Code and more instruction from DC Cycles riders. I am ready for a > sticker tire. > > Can anyone think of a better tire? If so, please let me know. > > Thanks, > > Mark Kitchell > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 26 18:38:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web312.mail.yahoo.com (web312.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5QMcV816411 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000626223822.24049.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.200.111.27] by web312.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:38:22 PDT Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:38:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Thanks moto-crew! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey, moto-crew, how was it this year? Better support from the ride staff? James, and others who rode pedal powered bikes... congrats on a great job!! You guys always amaze me. Louis Moto-Crew '97 '98 '99 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 26 21:14:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (253-64-173-216.user.darwin.net [216.173.64.253]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5R1Ei819362 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 2G0UP [216.173.114.140] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-6.03) id A0231DDB0088; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:15:15 -0700 Received: by 2G0UP with Microsoft Mail id <01BFDFB3.8302C4C0@2G0UP>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:14:27 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFDFB3.8302C4C0@2G0UP> From: Ahalan To: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Tire Patching Kits Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:14:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e5R1F2819363 I used to do dual-sport touring and found that its easier and more reliable to just carry a compact bicycle pump instead of the cartridges. It doesn't run out (might break but that's true for anything) and though it requires a tad more work, its not too bad at all on motorcycle tires. In Baja I've actually used the $10 pump I bought at K-Mart to not only inflate my tires, but also car tires (200-300 pumps for a Chevy Lumina). Doable, cheap, and reliable. You will still need the plugs and other stuff. As they say round these parts..."just my two cents". Niv BMW F650ST From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 26 21:25:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5R1PM819539 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:25:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12855 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:25:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Raleigh-DC Aids Ride 5: MotoCrew Report Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For the past four days I have been MotoCrewing the Washington, DC AIDS Ride 5 (WDCAR5) from Raleigh, NC to DC (330 miles on a bicycle). I've gotten to do many things that I've been unable to legitamately do before: draw graffiti, play in traffic, play with fire and have friendly chats with the local LEO's after breaking all variety of traffic laws. Allow me to explain... When I first volunteered for MotoCrew on DCAR5, I figured the fun would come from the social aspects of the ride and supporting a worthwhile cause. But, I discovered the ride would also offer some spirited riding. I didn't realize how challenging weaving between bicyclists can be! But seriously, since the motorcycles had to be on the road before the cyclists; and I discovered bicycle routes offer some nice twisties, especially before 6:30 AM without traffic. One of our assigned duties was to ensure the route was well marked and did not confuse the riders. When additional signage was required, I spray painted the street with yellow paint. Finding the route sometimes proved challenging being a subscriber to the DC-Cycles school of (poor) navigation. Once I arrived at my designated intersection, I donned my all-powerful orange vest and pulled out my trusty orange flag. With these two high-tech pieces of equipment I assumed the authority to stop traffic on through roads, wave bicycles through red lights and stop traffic at green lights allowing bicycles to pass unencumbered by traditional traffic laws. Meanwhile, the local LEO's supported me while I assumed my disguise of "MotoCrew Safety Officer." I even received flares to help me cause backups on an I-66 exit ramp (Actually, I needed to slow traffic coming off of I-66 because they couldn't see the bicycles at the top of the ramp.). After the last rider passed my intersection, I zipped up past the other bicycles disregarding speed limits (not around the bikers) and double yellows in the name of safety (of the bicycles) to get to my next designated post. As the last rider passed at the end of the course, the entire MotoCrew escorted them into camp for the evening. On the last day, I helped escort the last rider through Arlington, Rosslyn and into downtown stopping traffic at green lights and proceeding through red lights using the guise of my orange vest and flag. With orange impunity, we wreaked traffic havoc on the tourists of DC along our route so the last rider could make it to camp without interrupting her pedaling rhythm. At the end of each day after escorting the final day's rider in around 7:30, I treated myself to a hot shower in a shower truck and a meal that rivaled airline food (It really was better than airline food, but not quite gourmet.). Then I settled down into my tent ready to wake for another day of MotoSafety at 5:00 the next morning. All-in-all it was definately a worthwhile experience that I would like to repeat. With each group of riders that passed me by, I heard many yell out their appreciation for helping with traffic and keeping them safe. To top it off, I meant another GPz rider on the third day of the ride (maybe fourth, I lost track). I highly recommend MotoCrew to anyone that finds enjoyment helping other people support a worthwhile cause. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 26 22:26:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5R2QJ820700 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-63.208.165.55.Washington2.Level3.net [63.208.165.55]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA28841; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 19:26:11 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "DC Cycles" Cc: "Bannon Wysocki" , "Jay Ribera" , "Pete Wysocki" Subject: RE: Saturday (7/1) and Monday (7/3) rides Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:21:06 -0400 Message-ID: <000901bfdfde$596b4800$37a5d03f@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <39578862.108E89D4@ix.netcom.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Wish I could join you but I'm out of town. As far as the Thorton's gap (where 211 crosses Skyline Dr.) area, I'll offer .02: This is a great area, and I'd recommend setting aside time to go back and forth over that mountain a number of times. HOWEVER, the first time through go slower than you think you need to if you haven't been through before, especially the east side (the uphill part as you're coming from the DC area). It has a lot of decreasing-radius turns and they come up quick, plus the slope of the road will throw off your judgement of stopping/slowing distances needed. I've been up there a number of times and EVERY time there have been bikes wrecked either in my group or otherwise. Like I said, its a great area (no driveways, road in relatively good repair, extremely twisty) but you really have to watch out. Also if you get there on a weekend afternoon there will be cops around cuz they know tons of bikes race through there. Have fun. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 12:44 PM To: DC Cycles Cc: Bannon Wysocki; Jay Ribera; Pete Wysocki Subject: Saturday (7/1) and Monday (7/3) rides OK, I'm going to have another go at organizing/leading a ride! %^) This is just a "heads up". More details to follow later. SATURDAY, July 1st I'm actually trying to convince Danny "Holeshot" Thompson to lead this ride since he's the better rider and know the roads better (and I feel like I kinda need a break from leading). But the idea will be to meet at the Sheetz at the intersection of 55 and 15 in Haymarket. Probably at 9am. The route I proposed to Danny (I am waiting to hear back from him to see if he's willing to lead this ride) is to go out to 211 and go out and back over Thornton Gap. Then back up into Front Royal via Flint Hill and Chester Gap. And then basically take the roads that follow the Shenandoah River. Dump out onto Route 7 and the go up and over Mount Weather on 601 back to Rouge 50. This is definitely a twistier ride than last Saturday or Father's Day. MONDAY, July 3rd This is still a tentative ride. I need to check with my better half about any potential plans for Monday (since we're both taking the day off of work). But in all likelihood this will be more of an "impromptu" ride leaving from The Java Shack in Arlington, VA -- 2507 N. Franklin St., where N. Barton and N. Franklin meet at Wilson Blvd. (next to Mr. Tire). Probably leave late morning (but NLT 10am). Probably some variation of the Father's Day route (and might even do some exploring to find new roads to ride on). For those of you who had problems finding (or not finding, as the case might be) The Java Shack on Saturday: - If you're coming up Wilson Blvd. from Rosslyn, N. Barton/N. Franklin is inbetween Courthouse and Clarendon. The Mr. Tire is on the right side at a traffic light intersection (Papa John's pizza on the left). The Java Shack is right next door to the Mr. Tire. - If you're coming down Clarendon Blvd. from Ballston, go past the Fresh Fields and the Riggs Bank (both on the left) and turn left on N. Barton (4-way, traffic light). You'll see Mr. Tire and The Java Shack across the street from the next traffic light (Wilson Blvd.) I will post again as soon as these rides are "finalized". But at least y'all have some idea of what's planned. BTW, does anybody have a pair of Chatterbox helmet radios they're willing to loan out??? Cheers, Skittles, aka Chuck From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 26 22:28:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe4.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5R2SD820775 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:27:52 -0400 From: "Bob Meyer" To: "Chuck Pena" , "DC Cycles" Cc: "Bannon Wysocki" , "Jay Ribera" , "Pete Wysocki" Subject: RE: Saturday (7/1) and Monday (7/3) rides Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:27:50 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bfdfdf$4a7759a0$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <39578862.108E89D4@ix.netcom.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 12:44 PM > To: DC Cycles > Cc: Bannon Wysocki; Jay Ribera; Pete Wysocki > Subject: Saturday (7/1) and Monday (7/3) rides > > > OK, I'm going to have another go at organizing/leading a ride! %^) This > is just a "heads up". More details to follow later. > > SATURDAY, July 1st Sounds like a great ride! I think I"ll even be able to make this one. > > MONDAY, July 3rd I may even be able to make this one, too. But two rides in one weekend? My heart might not be able to take it . Thanks! From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 26 22:36:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5R2ae820926 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-43.patriot.net [209.249.181.43]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5R2aUP29546; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:36:30 -0400 Message-ID: <395811A7.EBC0BED6@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:29:59 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Morris Berman CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Raleigh-DC Aids Ride 5: MotoCrew Report References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, and you had me worried for a bit - that *fiendish* grin you had when you showed me your box of flares. Not to mention CJ's insane laughter when we were blowing all those traffic lights. Well, okay, I wasn't the least bit worried. I was having way to much fun. Bill Morris Berman wrote: > For the past four days I have been MotoCrewing the Washington, DC AIDS > Ride 5 (WDCAR5) from Raleigh, NC to DC (330 miles on a bicycle). I've > gotten to do many things that I've been unable to legitamately do before: > draw graffiti, play in traffic, play with fire and have friendly chats > with the local LEO's after breaking all variety of traffic laws. Allow me > to explain... > > When I first volunteered for MotoCrew on DCAR5, I figured the fun would > come from the social aspects of the ride and supporting a worthwhile > cause. But, I discovered the ride would also offer some spirited riding. > I didn't realize how challenging weaving between bicyclists can be! But > seriously, since the motorcycles had to be on the road before the > cyclists; and I discovered bicycle routes offer some nice twisties, > especially before 6:30 AM without traffic. > > One of our assigned duties was to ensure the route was well marked and did > not confuse the riders. When additional signage was required, I spray > painted the street with yellow paint. Finding the route sometimes proved > challenging being a subscriber to the DC-Cycles school of (poor) > navigation. > > Once I arrived at my designated intersection, I donned my all-powerful > orange vest and pulled out my trusty orange flag. With these two > high-tech pieces of equipment I assumed the authority to stop traffic on > through roads, wave bicycles through red lights and stop traffic at green > lights allowing bicycles to pass unencumbered by traditional traffic laws. > Meanwhile, the local LEO's supported me while I assumed my disguise of > "MotoCrew Safety Officer." I even received flares to help me cause > backups on an I-66 exit ramp (Actually, I needed to slow traffic coming > off of I-66 because they couldn't see the bicycles at the top of the > ramp.). > > After the last rider passed my intersection, I zipped up past the other > bicycles disregarding speed limits (not around the bikers) and double > yellows in the name of safety (of the bicycles) to get to my next > designated post. As the last rider passed at the end of the course, the > entire MotoCrew escorted them into camp for the evening. On the last day, > I helped escort the last rider through Arlington, Rosslyn and into > downtown stopping traffic at green lights and proceeding through red > lights using the guise of my orange vest and flag. With orange impunity, > we wreaked traffic havoc on the tourists of DC along our route so the last > rider could make it to camp without interrupting her pedaling rhythm. > > At the end of each day after escorting the final day's rider in around > 7:30, I treated myself to a hot shower in a shower truck and a meal that > rivaled airline food (It really was better than airline food, but not > quite gourmet.). Then I settled down into my tent ready to wake for > another day of MotoSafety at 5:00 the next morning. > > All-in-all it was definately a worthwhile experience that I would like to > repeat. With each group of riders that passed me by, I heard many yell > out their appreciation for helping with traffic and keeping them safe. > To top it off, I meant another GPz rider on the third day of the ride > (maybe fourth, I lost track). I highly recommend MotoCrew to anyone that > finds enjoyment helping other people support a worthwhile cause. > > -Mb > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX > '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. > > Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to > cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Mon Jun 26 22:42:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5R2gM821025 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va16-61.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.189]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA31790; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39583F48.F21DBCEA@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:44:40 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vtrman@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Saturday (7/1) and Monday (7/3) rides References: <000901bfdfde$596b4800$37a5d03f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matt, Thanks for your 2 cents! %^) I've been up and over 211 a number of times. Still, it always throws me a surprise. I think I need to go up and over it about 100 times before I'll really know it! But your words are certainly sage advice for newbies to Thornton Gap and I will endeavor to try and re-iterate them faithfully pre-ride for anyone who hasn't been on it. Not to worry about being out of town, we'll get you the next time! %^) Cheers, Chuck Big Matty wrote: > > Wish I could join you but I'm out of town. > > As far as the Thorton's gap (where 211 crosses Skyline Dr.) area, I'll offer > .02: This is a great area, and I'd recommend setting aside time to go back > and forth over that mountain a number of times. HOWEVER, the first time > through go slower than you think you need to if you haven't been through > before, especially the east side (the uphill part as you're coming from the > DC area). It has a lot of decreasing-radius turns and they come up quick, > plus the slope of the road will throw off your judgement of stopping/slowing > distances needed. I've been up there a number of times and EVERY time there > have been bikes wrecked either in my group or otherwise. Like I said, its > a great area (no driveways, road in relatively good repair, extremely > twisty) but you really have to watch out. Also if you get there on a > weekend afternoon there will be cops around cuz they know tons of bikes race > through there. > > Have fun. > Matt -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 27 08:06:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3605.mail.yahoo.com (web3605.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.109]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5RC68800947 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000627120600.16074.qmail@web3605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web3605.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 05:06:00 PDT Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 05:06:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Tire Recommendation Needed To: Tom Gimer , chris.weaver@XXXXXX, "'Mark Kitchell'" , "'DC Cycles'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Tom, I guess you'll be putting 207's back on. The Michelins might be the best tire going right now but they are also a Michelin which means you are going to pay top dollar. On the other hand, the BT-56 SS are probably the best bang for the buck right now. Todd and I just ordered two rears (180/55-ZR17) and one front (120/70-ZR17) and shipped it as only $237.00 for each of us for three tires!!! Hard to beat those prices and they seem to be getting excellent reviews by the media and all who try them. Check out this article for one media write up: http://www.activebike.com/index/features/bt56ss/bt56ss.htm Glenn --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Chris Weaver > wrote: > > Mark, > > > > I have 207s on my Superhawk right now. I'm > thinking > > of trying the Michelin > > Pilot Sports next, as I've heard a lot of good > > things about them. You might > > consider reading up on them. I think you'll find > > info in several online mags > > (motorcycle.com springs to mind) and in the print > > mags. One of the US mags > > had a big tire review a few months ago - you might > > find a copy in your local > > library. > > > > Good luck. If you get the Pilots, let me know how > > they are. > > my new bike came with streetpilots on it....i can > say > that they are excellent tires, sticky as hell when > they're hot > > for my next set i'm actually considering buying > another set of streetpilots....something i never > thought i would say after 1.5 years of 207s > > haven't looked at the prices though....if the > streetpilots are $1 more expensive, i'm going back > to > dunlop __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 27 08:28:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5RCSZ801252 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pti.com (pc69.pti.com [208.213.159.69]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with ESMTP id IAA27673; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39589EC6.A08A86B5@pti.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:32:06 -0400 From: Nelson Fernandez X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck Pena CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Saturday (7/1) and Monday (7/3) rides References: <39578862.108E89D4@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Woohoo I will actually be able to make this ride (Sat) and best of all it starts right around the corner from my house. Looking forward to finally putting some faces with the names. Hell, I might even have to wash the bike, Naaaa, just going to get bug guts on it anyway. See you all Saturday. Nelson P.S. Just a quick note to say "Thanks Chuck" for putting these rides together. It a lot of work and can be a thankless job some times but we all really appreciate it. You've done a lot to help the list unite. PSS. Danny, If you lead, we will follow.<(©¿©)> From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 27 09:04:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5RD4J801813 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006271304.e5RD4J801813@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from Jonman72@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.8.6ecede5 (15888) for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web45.aolmail.aol.com (web45.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.6]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v74.17) with ESMTP; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:04:07 -0400 Date: Tue Jun 27 09:04:07 2000 From: Jonman72@XXXXXX Subject: (no subject) To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just wanted to add my thanks to Chuck for leading the ride on Saturday (BTW Chuck, I was one of the guys the group picked up at Rte 109 & 29, Staub's I think? The other guy was Rich on the VFR). That was my first time riding with a group, and I had a blast. Looking forward to more rides! Also, whoever posted the inquiry about roads between Baltimore and Frederick, let me know what you find. I live in Ellicott City and I'm looking for more routes up in my area. Jonathan '00 YZF600R From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 27 10:50:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gatekeeper.cepm-us.com (gatekeeper.cepm-us.com [199.217.206.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5REoZ804929 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stlmaila.cepm-us.com (stlmaila.cepm-us.com [10.6.16.18]) by gatekeeper.cepm-us.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA45895; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:50:20 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Bannon.Wysocki@XXXXXX) Received: by stlmaila.cepm-us.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:45:52 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Wysocki, Bannon" To: "'Bob Meyer'" , Chuck Pena , DC Cycles Cc: Jay Ribera , Pete Wysocki Subject: RE: Saturday (7/1) and Monday (7/3) rides Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:45:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain I am 100% for Saturday but only 25% on Monday because we may be going to lake Anna with some friends. Bannon P. Wysocki Region Manager Corporate Express Promotional Marketing Mid-Atlantic 1307 Ross Drive, SW, Vienna, VA 22180 Office: 703.242.4413 Fax: 703.783.8643 bannon.wysocki@XXXXXX -----Original Message----- From: Bob Meyer [SMTP:rmeyer@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 10:28 PM To: Chuck Pena; DC Cycles Cc: Bannon Wysocki; Jay Ribera; Pete Wysocki Subject: RE: Saturday (7/1) and Monday (7/3) rides > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 12:44 PM > To: DC Cycles > Cc: Bannon Wysocki; Jay Ribera; Pete Wysocki > Subject: Saturday (7/1) and Monday (7/3) rides > > > OK, I'm going to have another go at organizing/leading a ride! %^) This > is just a "heads up". More details to follow later. > > SATURDAY, July 1st Sounds like a great ride! I think I"ll even be able to make this one. > > MONDAY, July 3rd I may even be able to make this one, too. But two rides in one weekend? My heart might not be able to take it . Thanks! From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 27 11:14:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5RFER805712 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-204-109.s617.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.204.109] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 136x42-00038B-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:14:14 -0400 Message-ID: <001c01bfe04a$919dc1a0$6dcc7ad1@oemcomputer> From: "Bill Creitz" To: Subject: Re: Roads west of Baltimore Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:11:43 -0400 Organization: Stoneridge Technical Services MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Kurt, I regularly plan and lead rides in and through the central Maryland area, starting in Rockville. My two best resources are (apologies if you are already familiar with these): - Maryland / Delaware Atlas and Gazetteer by DeLorme, available from DeLorme and Whitehorse Press (both on the Web), and sometimes you can find copies in the map department of local bookstores. (You could also use the ADC county maps, but the DeLorme's have contour intervals, which help identify interesting roads). Downside: DeLorme doesn't update this map series too often, so you will occasionally find the roads and intersections have changed. - Maryland Scenic Routes Map, free from the Maryland Office of Tourism Development, 410-333-6611. There are lots of great MC roads between Baltimore and Frederick. You didn't say exactly what kinds of roads you are looking for, so here is broad selection: - College Avenue and Bonnie Branch near Ellicott City. - On a detailed map like the DeLorme, draw an imaginary line starting at Clarksville, then Brookeville, Laytonsville, Woodfield, Clarksburg. Almost any road north of that line is worth exploring. Good places to start include: - Clarksburg Road / Penn Shop Road (from Clarksburg to Mt. Airy). - Long Corner Road (goes north from MD 108, east of Damascus). - MD 94. - Zion Road, Howard Chapel Road and Daisy Road (all west of and roughly paralleling MD 97). - Tridelphia Road and Tridelphia Mill Road. - Brighton Dam Road, from Brookeville east (although the section near the dam has been closed for a couple of years). If it's still closed, a good detour is 650 south, then Windswept Lane / Haviland Mill Road east. - Gillis Falls Road (northeast of Mt. Airy). - Boyers Mill Road (crosses Lake Linganore). - Gas House Pike, east from Frederick -- especially the section between Boyers Mill Road and MD 75. - Mariottsville Road (which is west of Randallstown). - For the area north of I-70, try some of the roads marked in the Md. Scenic Road Map referenced above. - MD 832 (parallels MD 140 between Taneytown and Westminster). And for faster travel through central Maryland: - MD 144 from west of Ellicott City (where it splits from US40) to MD75. Good for east-west travel in this area. Straight, but nice hills. The Four Seasons Restaurant, on 144 about 1 mile east of MD 27 is a favorite MC stopping place (very busy during the Sunday buffet, however). - MD 97 is good for efficient north-south travel. If you find other good roads in this area, please post. It would be nice to get some Maryland interest going on this list. I'd be interested in comparing notes on good roads south and west of Frederick. Bill Creitz (returning to lurk mode on the digest) 98 Road King -----Original Message----- Does anyone on the list have road recommendations for the areas = between Baltimore and Fredrick, MD? I'm generally familiar with the = roads south and west of Fredrick--including the roads we traveled on = Saturday--but I've never ridden in the areas west and northwest of = Baltimore. Any suggestions? Kurt Slawson 1996 VFR 750F From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 27 12:15:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3106.mail.yahoo.com (web3106.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.191]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5RGFm806801 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000627163722.29732.qmail@web3106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.21.68.66] by web3106.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:37:22 PDT Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:37:22 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan main Subject: Re: Roads west of Baltimore To: Bill Creitz , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > - Gas House Pike, east from Frederick -- especially > the section between Boyers Mill Road and MD 75. right now parts of this are closed. what for I don't know. or for how long. hell it might be open now as it has been a few weeks since I tired to go there. > If you find other good roads in this area, please post. > It would be nice to get some Maryland interest going > on this list. > > I'd be interested in comparing notes on good roads > south and west of Frederick. I guess that would be me then since I live in Frederick. I know of a lot of roads, but I don't know the names guess I could look them up but now I'm at work. I do know of Rt 77 near Thurmont, nice twisty through the catotin mountains and ends up in Smithsburg rt 550 next exit after rt77 runs to fort Ritchie most know about Ballenger Creek, I think 351 or something like that. but there's also Cap Stein Rd and a couple of others that run off this road. I'll have to look them up later as there are plenty of roads that are really nice around here. maybe after I finish buying my house I'll have a little ride up here or something. wouldn't be til august though. Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 27 12:49:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5RGnq807337 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000627164944.22280.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.136.133.212] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:49:44 PDT Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:49:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Tire Recommendation Needed To: dysart@XXXXXX, chris.weaver@XXXXXX, "'Mark Kitchell'" , "'DC Cycles'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > Tom, I guess you'll be putting 207's back on. The > Michelins might be the best tire going right now but > they are also a Michelin which means you are going > to pay top dollar. that's the way i'd rather have it, actually....so this is good news > On the other hand, the BT-56 SS are > probably the best bang for the buck right now. Todd > and I just ordered two rears (180/55-ZR17) and one > front (120/70-ZR17) and shipped it as only $237.00 > for > each of us for three tires!!! killer prices on sweet tires, but you guys are too damn fickle! dunlops, macadams, bridgestones all in the last year or so....you dirty whores > Hard to beat those > prices and they seem to be getting excellent reviews > by the media and all who try them. Check out this > article for one media write up: > > http://www.activebike.com/index/features/bt56ss/bt56ss.htm the 207 is still my pick because of the triangular profile and the fact that i absolutely trust them....that last point means everything to me -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 27 15:26:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5RJQL810867 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 15:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-109-100.s100.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.109.100] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 1370zz-0002wM-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 15:26:19 -0400 Message-ID: <01da01bfe06d$d36482e0$646daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062CF0@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> <005d01bfdfba$f39802c0$75f87ad1@wskirt> Subject: Re: Tire Recommendation Needed Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 15:28:07 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I can't speak to the Superduper Hawk, but for my VFR, the BT56SS type is the best tire I've ridden on for it. Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (reason VFR is for sale: race bike) Amateur #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 ----- Original Message ----- From: Kirt S. To: Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 6:07 PM Subject: Re: Tire Recommendation Needed > BT-56SS My favorite tire ever... > firmer in the middle for great mileage > sticky as all get out on the sides > doesn't "fall in" as quickly as 207s, but I like that. > > Kirt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Kitchell" > To: "'DC Cycles'" > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 10:45 AM > Subject: Tire Recommendation Needed > > > > Hello all: > > > > Back from pulling motorcycle crew duty for the DC AIDS Ride. WOW. It was > > awesome, and a big thank you to all DC Cycles members that participated > > (Morris Berman, Rich McCreadie, Bill Huson, and any others I am not aware > > are on this list). > > > > As any of them know, my MEZ4s are getting BALD, especially the front. A > few > > good burnouts and the rear will be shot too (-:. So I am thinking of > > putting D207s on my 1991 VFR. My sportriding has improved this year due > to > > Keith Code and more instruction from DC Cycles riders. I am ready for a > > sticker tire. > > > > Can anyone think of a better tire? If so, please let me know. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mark Kitchell > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 27 18:26:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5RMQD814774 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) id <0FWU00L0130XIX@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:12:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0FWU00H7O30XJ4@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:12:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) id <0FWU00C0130XM6@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:12:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0FWU00C0130VLY@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:12:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localHost ([166.32.192.143]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0FWU005OT30HH7@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:12:17 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Keiser Subject: RE: Police Seeking Witnesses to Scuffle on I-95 To: DC Cycles Message-id: <0FWU005OU30HH7@dgismtp01.wcomnet.com> X-Mailer: MailRoom for Internet v3.1a (www.SierraSol.com) When I saw this headline I thought it was deja vu. Driving home Saturday afternoon from the CFF Sports Battle in my cage (had too much gear for the bike) this idiot in a Nissan 240 or something similar passes me like a bat out of hell and right up on the ass of a rather large man on a Harley. The guy checks his mirrors and turns around to look at the car with the classic "What the f---?!" motion with his brake hand. The car then swerves to pass the biker, who was not pleased at all. Gestures and words are exchanged with the Harley guy motioning the driver to pull over at the next exit for what I'm sure would be nothing more than a strict lecture of proper following distances.....yeah right! The car takes the next exit trying to lose the bike, but he turns sharply and follows the car. (this just happened to be my exit on 270, so I followed them for a bit) He tailed the car through the next 2 lights and then faded off. Not sure what happened as a result, but it just goes to show you how easily things can escalate! Be careful out there. Rob '98 VFR800 Subject: Police Seeking Witnesses to Scuffle on I-95 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e5QIlQ812136 Police Seeking Witnesses to Scuffle on I-95 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 27 19:03:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5RN3l815465 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:03:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 2892 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2000 16:03:25 -0700 Received: from 1Cust210.tnt1.manassas.va.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.23.113.210) by smtp.peoplepc.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2000 16:03:25 -0700 X-Sent: 27 Jun 2000 23:03:25 GMT Message-ID: <004701bfe08c$e1d15960$d271173f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: helping out a friend Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:10:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0044_01BFE06B.593DAD40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01BFE06B.593DAD40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just thought I'd pass this along in case anyone is interested. A friend = of mine is starting his own paint shop in Frederick, MD. His shop has = only been open three months, but he's been doing this for a long time. = He does custom paint, airbrush, etc. of bikes (cruiser or sport), = helmet, leathers, etc. He's a great guy and looking to get the word out = about his shop, so feel free to post to any other MC lists. His name is = Chris Nicholson and can be reached at 301-943-1181. Don't tell him I = sent you or he may just charge you extra! kidding, kidding ... Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01BFE06B.593DAD40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just thought I'd pass this along in = case anyone is=20 interested.  A friend of mine is starting his own paint shop in = Frederick,=20 MD.  His shop has only been open three months, but he's been doing = this for=20 a long time.  He does custom paint, airbrush, etc. of bikes = (cruiser or=20 sport), helmet, leathers, etc.  He's a great guy and looking to get = the=20 word out about his shop, so feel free to post to any other MC lists. His = name is=20 Chris Nicholson and can be reached at 301-943-1181.  Don't tell him = I sent=20 you or he may just charge you extra!  kidding, kidding = ...
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0044_01BFE06B.593DAD40-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 27 21:36:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5S1aG818045 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va10-27.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.155]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA00268; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39598149.1A22E8B0@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:38:33 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles , Bannon Wysocki , Jay Ribera , Pete Wysocki Subject: Danny will lead Saturday (7/1) ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Y'all... Just got an email from Danny and he said he should be avialable to ride/lead this Saturday. But only on the condition that I bring Herb out and that Herb buys his VFR! %^) I will finalize the route with Danny and then post to the list. And I'm still planning on riding on Monday (from The Java Shack) if anyone is interested. Chuck, aka Skittles -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 27 21:41:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5S1fD818068 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-209.244.227.231.Washington1.Level3.net [209.244.227.231]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA17249; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "Charles V. Pena" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Saturday (7/1) and Monday (7/3) rides Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:34:40 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01bfe0a1$077c3400$e7e3f4d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <39583F48.F21DBCEA@ix.netcom.com> Sorry I didnt write that right - the .02 was intended as a general statement directed at anyone that hasn't been there before (not a direction on ride leading per se to you or anyone else that may help lead throughout that day). Cheers, Matt -----Original Message----- From: Charles V. Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 1:45 AM To: vtrman@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Saturday (7/1) and Monday (7/3) rides Matt, Thanks for your 2 cents! %^) I've been up and over 211 a number of times. Still, it always throws me a surprise. I think I need to go up and over it about 100 times before I'll really know it! But your words are certainly sage advice for newbies to Thornton Gap and I will endeavor to try and re-iterate them faithfully pre-ride for anyone who hasn't been on it. Not to worry about being out of town, we'll get you the next time! %^) Cheers, Chuck Big Matty wrote: > > Wish I could join you but I'm out of town. > > As far as the Thorton's gap (where 211 crosses Skyline Dr.) area, I'll offer > .02: This is a great area, and I'd recommend setting aside time to go back > and forth over that mountain a number of times. HOWEVER, the first time > through go slower than you think you need to if you haven't been through > before, especially the east side (the uphill part as you're coming from the > DC area). It has a lot of decreasing-radius turns and they come up quick, > plus the slope of the road will throw off your judgement of stopping/slowing > distances needed. I've been up there a number of times and EVERY time there > have been bikes wrecked either in my group or otherwise. Like I said, its > a great area (no driveways, road in relatively good repair, extremely > twisty) but you really have to watch out. Also if you get there on a > weekend afternoon there will be cops around cuz they know tons of bikes race > through there. > > Have fun. > Matt -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 27 22:15:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5S2FG818720 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-58-198-86.s86.tnt11.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.198.86] helo=todd) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 1377Nh-0007XH-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:15:13 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: Subject: Tire Recommendation Needed Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:07:51 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01bfe0a5$aa7fef80$fd89a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200006272300.e5RN02T15373@dirty.meretrix.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > From: Tom Gimer > --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > > Tom, I guess you'll be putting 207's back on. snipped> > > On the other hand, the BT-56 SS are > > probably the best bang for the buck right now. Todd > > and I just ordered two rears (180/55-ZR17) and one > > front (120/70-ZR17) and shipped it as only $237.00 > > for > > each of us for three tires!!! > > killer prices on sweet tires, but you guys are too > damn fickle! dunlops, macadams, bridgestones all in > the last year or so....you dirty whores Money! Brand spanking new tires...cheap! > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > From: "Danny Thompson" > > I can't speak to the Superduper Hawk, but for my VFR, the BT56SS > type is the > best tire I've ridden on for it. > > Danny Well, I'm running a BT56 (normal) on the rear right now, and the original (OEM) D204 on the front. I am thoroughly impressed the the BT56. As soon as I get my moneys worth out of what's on there now (;-) I will put the fresh SS's on. I have always been partial to Dunlop due to the profile, and due to the fact I could get an average 10,500miles out of a D205 on the rear of my ST1100! Money again, but no compromise on traction. BTW, those prices Glenn quoted were good until June 15th at Chaparral. I've seen similar prices in Moto-Mag adverts too. Get 'em while they last, because I think Bridgestone is discontinuing them. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, * '83 VT500c(sold), * '92 CB750 (sold), * '94 XT350 (sold) * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 152,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 27 22:22:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from boo-mda02.boo.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [216.200.67.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5S2M2818821 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp-boonet2-44.boo.net (ppp-boonet2-44.boo.net [208.184.99.44]) by boo-mda02.boo.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA06548 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:21:44 -0400 Received: by ppp-boonet2-44.boo.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BFE085.876CF440@XXXXXX>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:17:49 -0400 Message-ID: <01BFE085.876CF440@ppp-boonet2-44.boo.net> From: Janey Cohen/Kurt Slawson To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Recent MC Fatality Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:17:08 -0400 Encoding: 14 TEXT, 40 UUENCODE X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Someone posted a message a few days ago about Greg McQuide, the former associate editor of Motorcyclist magazine who recently died while riding near Ashville, North Carolina. I don't subscribe to Motorcyclist, but occassionally I glance through it when I'm at a bookstore. I was paging through the most recent edition this afternoon when I noticed a short article on emergency roadside first-aid. Unless I'm mistaken, the accompanying photos were of McQuide yucking it up for the camera as a mock accident victim, complete with fake abrasions and a goofy crossed-eyed look on his face. Looking at those photos, I got a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. Kurt Slawson 1996 VFR750F begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(C$"`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$-@ 0` M`@````(``@`!!) &`#P!```!````# ````,``# #````"P`/#@`````"`?\/ M`0```&L`````````M3O"P"QW$!JAO @`*RI6PA4```!,S4BOPTG2$:F"1$53 M5 ``9( ```````"!*Q^DOJ,0&9UN`-T!#U0"`````$1#+4-Y8VQE6-L97,N;W)G```>``(P`0````4```!33510```` M`!X``S !````& ```&1C+6-Y8VQE6-L97,N;W)G``,`%0P!```` M`P#^#P8````>``$P`0````P````G1$,M0WEC;&5S)P`"`0LP`0```!T```!3 M3510.D1#+4-90TQ%4T!$0RU#64-,15,N3U)'``````,``#D`````"P! .@$` M```"`?8/`0````0````````#)CL!"( '`!@```!)4$TN36EC`' ``0```!,```!296-E;G0@34,@1F%T86QI='D```(! M<0`!````%@````&_X*;V&@E[%&],=A'4J8)$15-4`````!X`'@P!````!0`` M`%--5% `````'@`?# $````/````:F-O:&5N0&)O;RYN970```,`!A#MTR4. M`P`'$#("```>``@0`0```&4```!33TU%3TY%4$]35$5$04U%4U-!1T5!1D57 M1$%94T%'3T%"3U541U)%1TU#455)1$4L5$A%1D]2345205-33T-)051%141) M5$]23T9-3U1/4D-90TQ)4U1-04=!6DE.15=(3U)%``````(!"1 !````Z0(` M`.4"```?! ``3%I&=;78X(#_``H!#P(5`J@%ZP*#`% "\@D"`&-H"L!S970R M-P8`!L,"@S(#Q0(`<'(6<1*Q$74Q$?%S=&4Z;0*#,Q$,%" /WV8T=Q4.!Q," M@'T*@ C/"=D[\1E_,C4U`H *A LW%R%5"_$@'5!3`W!E`B!E""!P;Q1A9"!A M(+$'@7-A9QW@'G!F!]',9&$44!Y@9V\>8 ;@*G4%0$<9@&<%T&-1A'5I#; L M('1H'> M`A!R!X %P&$$$&]C2P< ;@K&]K%& %L&4J8W M4BCP_QDA'F `(#1Y!&1 R,#AR[S6R0M G`"IA3#(A*%(QP?\A0!X0'>$]$R$@+_$M$#=R M]S Received: from boo-mda02.boo.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [216.200.67.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5S2MC818831 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp-boonet2-44.boo.net (ppp-boonet2-44.boo.net [208.184.99.44]) by boo-mda02.boo.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA06556 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:21:50 -0400 Received: by ppp-boonet2-44.boo.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BFE085.8AE68AA0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:17:55 -0400 Message-ID: <01BFE085.8AE68AA0@ppp-boonet2-44.boo.net> From: Janey Cohen/Kurt Slawson To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Roads west of Baltimore Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:17:20 -0400 Encoding: 87 TEXT, 98 UUENCODE X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Bill, thanks for the road (and dining) recommendations. I now know where my next ride will take me! Kurt Slawson 1996 VFR750F ---------- From: The dc-cycles list administrator[SMTP:dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 3:00 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dc-cycles digest for 06/27/00 From: "Bill Creitz" To: Subject: Re: Roads west of Baltimore Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:11:43 -0400 Organization: Stoneridge Technical Services X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Kurt, I regularly plan and lead rides in and through the central Maryland area, starting in Rockville. My two best resources are (apologies if you are already familiar with these): - Maryland / Delaware Atlas and Gazetteer by DeLorme, available from DeLorme and Whitehorse Press (both on the Web), and sometimes you can find copies in the map department of local bookstores. (You could also use the ADC county maps, but the DeLorme's have contour intervals, which help identify interesting roads). Downside: DeLorme doesn't update this map series too often, so you will occasionally find the roads and intersections have changed. - Maryland Scenic Routes Map, free from the Maryland Office of Tourism Development, 410-333-6611. There are lots of great MC roads between Baltimore and Frederick. You didn't say exactly what kinds of roads you are looking for, so here is broad selection: - College Avenue and Bonnie Branch near Ellicott City. - On a detailed map like the DeLorme, draw an imaginary line starting at Clarksville, then Brookeville, Laytonsville, Woodfield, Clarksburg. Almost any road north of that line is worth exploring. Good places to start include: - Clarksburg Road / Penn Shop Road (from Clarksburg to Mt. Airy). - Long Corner Road (goes north from MD 108, east of Damascus). - MD 94. - Zion Road, Howard Chapel Road and Daisy Road (all west of and roughly paralleling MD 97). - Tridelphia Road and Tridelphia Mill Road. - Brighton Dam Road, from Brookeville east (although the section near the dam has been closed for a couple of years). If it's still closed, a good detour is 650 south, then Windswept Lane / Haviland Mill Road east. - Gillis Falls Road (northeast of Mt. Airy). - Boyers Mill Road (crosses Lake Linganore). - Gas House Pike, east from Frederick -- especially the section between Boyers Mill Road and MD 75. - Mariottsville Road (which is west of Randallstown). - For the area north of I-70, try some of the roads marked in the Md. Scenic Road Map referenced above. - MD 832 (parallels MD 140 between Taneytown and Westminster). And for faster travel through central Maryland: - MD 144 from west of Ellicott City (where it splits from US40) to MD75. Good for east-west travel in this area. Straight, but nice hills. The Four Seasons Restaurant, on 144 about 1 mile east of MD 27 is a favorite MC stopping place (very busy during the Sunday buffet, however). - MD 97 is good for efficient north-south travel. If you find other good roads in this area, please post. It would be nice to get some Maryland interest going on this list. I'd be interested in comparing notes on good roads south and west of Frederick. 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'A!Q0$_@"L';2?_#PYS"TE/_4X]"9V!W`:TC_BW4 M,_=EBOW0T9J2=1-R(?]MT=)3E00`I6-ES]%L\!\`^V<0V A)+S!ED'F"9< " MY/^PX4M1Z_1KAX"&TD$?\3]U[W)CG-$P@A&.)Q;#@(9:4?]@T4O!/Z%D(B& MC3)R81.8_S]U$,08 7P;PJL"/ M@7)T1&0I/W4Y6CBS1$L9:#]U?3]P``$G4 ````,`$! ``````P`1$ ````! M``=$S4$:F" <1$535 ``'@`]``$````%````4D4Z( ````#H1P`` ` end From dc-cycles-request Tue Jun 27 22:33:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5S2XA819013 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va10-27.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.155]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA01039 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39598EA0.CFC37A1E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:35:28 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Tire Recommendation Needed References: <000f01bfe0a5$aa7fef80$fd89a4d8@todd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Well, I'm running a BT56 (normal) on the rear right now, and the original > (OEM) D204 on the front. I am thoroughly impressed the the BT56. As soon > as I get my moneys worth out of what's on there now (;-) I will put the > fresh SS's on. I think you'll be even more impressed with and really like the BT56SS tires. > I have always been partial to Dunlop due to the profile, I've not ridden on Dunlops, but I think the BT56SS's turn in really well/quickly (but probably don't "fall in" the way most people describe the Dunlop 207s). > BTW, those prices Glenn quoted were good until June 15th at Chaparral. I've > seen similar prices in Moto-Mag adverts too. Get 'em while they last, > because I think Bridgestone is discontinuing them. Bridgestone is going to discontinue the BT56SS??? -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 04:55:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r15.mx.aol.com (imo-r15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5S8ti826223 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:55:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from KGruell@XXXXXX by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.ac.6f62ebd (4313) for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:55:34 -0400 (EDT) From: KGruell@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:55:34 EDT Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 06/27/00 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 Chuck, Look forward to joining the ride on Monday if it goes. I found out that my fuse box was bad (84 V65 Sabre) and that's why my speedo/gauges went crazy. I got stuck in Georgetown one day when it just decided to quit running. There was a lot of corrosion inside and I had to order a new one. With a little luck should have it by the end of the week. I've been following the digest over the last couple of rides and agree with everyone that you are doing a hell of a job organizing and leading the rides. Keep it up! I know I look forward to riding more with you and the group. Kurt 84 V65 Sabre From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 08:25:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from e21.nc.us.ibm.com (e21.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5SCPT829291 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e21.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA48776 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:15:08 -0500 From: rcrishoc@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.34]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v4.9) with SMTP id IAA64980 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:25:14 -0400 Received: by d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525690C.004436B6 ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:25:04 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525690C.00443144.00@d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:24:47 -0400 Subject: Vintage Motorcycle Days, Mid Ohio, 7-7-00 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Is anyone interested in riding up to Mid Ohio for Vintage Motorcycle Days? A friend and I are planning to ride up on Thursday, returning to the area by Sunday afternoon. We are planning to camp either at the track, or Honeycreek Campground. If anyone is interested in riding with us, let me know. I think Mr. Roach rode up there last year for the Superbikes. Do you guys recommend a particular route? Thanks, Rich From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 08:41:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5SCew829530 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.d.6bfc787 (1759) for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:40:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:40:44 EDT Subject: Helmet Protest, July 4th To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 A note to the dc-cycles@XXXXXX The following was sent to a local veterans M/C club and I thought it might of of interest to some of your readers. The purpose here is not to ignite a helmet debate but to advise riders that there is an event planned. The original message follows. The purpose of this email is to keep you posted on current events. BACKGROUND: At one time, all of us took an oath, when we wore the uniform of our country, to defend her from all enemies, foreign and domestic. As a retired soldier, I have turned my attention to protecting my country from the domestic enemy that confronts all civilizations: internal decay. There is, infact, a change taking place that devalues the individual and sanctifies the state. Laws that once were clear, limited, and understandable are now becoming obtuse, intrusive, and expansive. The concept of limited government is shifting toward expanding rule and frankly, we are it's logical targets. We symbolize and exercise values of freedom and independence and this is a source of concern to those who see such values as a social burden. There is a danger here. It is neither clear nor present, but it lurks in the shadows as a thief in the night waiting to steal another thread of discretion that comprises the fabric of freedom. Many of our riders are still on active duty and cannot engage in symbolic protest. Others of us now enjoy the freedom, and freedom of action, that we stand for. Only a few of us are in a secure enough position that we can afford to conduct the act of defiance characterizing the American's disenchantment with encroaching government. To that end, I invite you to consider riding without a helmet on July 4th. Some of us may get stopped. Generally, the officer will ask you what you are doing and honesty is the best policy. He may give you the option of continuing with your helmet on in lieu of a ticket and at this point discretion may be the better part of valor. However, you have the option of asking him for the ticket, and with the acceptance of the ticket, you advance one more step into the fight for the values at issue. Limited government trusting the judgment of an educated people versus a distrusting government exercising suzerainty over its property. The next battle is waged in the courts. Those who wish to pursue this course of action, and wish to discuss an attack strategy may contact me for further information. Gawthrop@XXXXXX Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 09:14:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.marconi-na.com (smtp-out.marconi-na.com [208.19.133.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5SDE7800202 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from baemail.marconi-na.com (baemail.marconi-na.com [10.63.2.20]) by smtp-out.marconi-na.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA01294 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-core.marconi-na.com ([10.63.2.17]) by baemail.marconi-na.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #44999) with ESMTP id <0FWV00KPV8PKBR@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mdrci-s014.tst.tracor.com (mdrci-s014.tst.tracor.com [149.32.33.182]) by smtp-core.marconi-na.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA04903 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mdrci-s014.tst.tracor.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:11:59 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:15:18 -0400 From: "Pelletier, Richard S" Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 06/27/00 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BFE102.70BB8F2C" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFE102.70BB8F2C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I met the group at Staub's on the last ride and had a great time. Thanks. This next ride sounds even better and I hope to make it. I rode a few times with a very fast group of Baltimore area riders on some excellent roads between Fredrick and Baltimore, mostly north of I-70. I have some copies of an ADC foldout map squirreled away somewhere with most of the roads highlighted. I'll see if I can find it. Rich '98 VFR ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFE102.70BB8F2C Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: dc-cycles digest for 06/27/00

I met the group at Staub's on the last ride and had a = great time.  Thanks.  This next ride sounds even better and I = hope to make it.

I rode a few times with a very fast group of = Baltimore area riders on some excellent roads between Fredrick and = Baltimore, mostly north of I-70.  I have some copies of an ADC = foldout map squirreled away somewhere with most of the roads = highlighted.  I'll see if I can find it.

Rich
'98 VFR


------_=_NextPart_001_01BFE102.70BB8F2C-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 09:17:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5SDHi800298 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-38.patriot.net [209.249.180.38]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5SDHcX28862; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:17:38 -0400 Message-ID: <3959F967.2B43566@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:11:03 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gawthrop@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet Protest, July 4th References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh boy! Should I bring my Shoei DOT/Snell 95 helmet? The one that is crushed, the one that saved my brain? Bill Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > A note to the dc-cycles@XXXXXX > The following was sent to a local veterans M/C club and I thought it might of > of interest to some of your readers. The purpose here is not to ignite a > helmet debate but to advise riders that there is an event planned. The > original message follows. > > The purpose of this email is to keep you posted on current events. > BACKGROUND: At one time, all of us took an oath, when we wore the uniform of > our country, to defend her from all enemies, foreign and domestic. As a > retired soldier, I have turned my attention to protecting my country from the > domestic enemy that confronts all civilizations: internal decay. > > There is, infact, a change taking place that devalues the individual and > sanctifies the state. Laws that once were clear, limited, and understandable > are now becoming obtuse, intrusive, and expansive. > > The concept of limited government is shifting toward expanding rule and > frankly, we are it's logical targets. We symbolize and exercise values of > freedom and independence and this is a source of concern to those who see > such values as a social burden. > > There is a danger here. It is neither clear nor present, but it lurks > in the shadows as a thief in the night waiting to steal another thread of > discretion that comprises the fabric of freedom. > > Many of our riders are still on active duty and cannot engage in > symbolic protest. Others of us now enjoy the freedom, and freedom of action, > that we stand for. Only a few of us are in a secure enough position that we > can afford to conduct the act of defiance characterizing the American's > disenchantment with encroaching government. > > To that end, I invite you to consider riding without a helmet on July > 4th. > > Some of us may get stopped. Generally, the officer will ask you what you > are doing and honesty is the best policy. He may give you the option of > continuing with your helmet on in lieu of a ticket and at this point > discretion may be the better part of valor. However, you have the option of > asking him for the ticket, and with the acceptance of the ticket, you advance > one more step into the fight for the values at issue. Limited government > trusting the judgment of an educated people versus a distrusting government > exercising suzerainty over its property. The next battle is waged in the > courts. > > Those who wish to pursue this course of action, and wish to discuss an > attack strategy may contact me for further information. > Gawthrop@XXXXXX > > Bill Gawthrop > Maryland From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 10:16:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web313.mail.yahoo.com (web313.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5SEGm802760 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000628141639.5723.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.185.42.85] by web313.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:16:39 PDT Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:16:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: Helmet Protest, July 4th To: Bill Huson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii No question helmets save lives and also put allot of people on life support for the rest of their lives.... but the real issue is the idealogy that our government must control every aspect of our lives..... why in the world should the government care if i ware a helmet or not!!! Frankly there is more freedom in other countries..... yet we are so proud of our freedom of speech... and so called freedom.... as more and more laws are passed..... so we can protest.... oh yeahhhhh --- Bill Huson wrote: > Oh boy! Should I bring my Shoei DOT/Snell 95 > helmet? The one that is crushed, > the one that saved my brain? > > Bill > > > > Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > > > A note to the dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > The following was sent to a local veterans M/C > club and I thought it might of > > of interest to some of your readers. The purpose > here is not to ignite a > > helmet debate but to advise riders that there is > an event planned. The > > original message follows. > > > > The purpose of this email is to keep you posted on > current events. > > BACKGROUND: At one time, all of us took an oath, > when we wore the uniform of > > our country, to defend her from all enemies, > foreign and domestic. As a > > retired soldier, I have turned my attention to > protecting my country from the > > domestic enemy that confronts all civilizations: > internal decay. > > > > There is, infact, a change taking place that > devalues the individual and > > sanctifies the state. Laws that once were clear, > limited, and understandable > > are now becoming obtuse, intrusive, and > expansive. > > > > The concept of limited government is shifting > toward expanding rule and > > frankly, we are it's logical targets. We > symbolize and exercise values of > > freedom and independence and this is a source of > concern to those who see > > such values as a social burden. > > > > There is a danger here. It is neither clear > nor present, but it lurks > > in the shadows as a thief in the night waiting to > steal another thread of > > discretion that comprises the fabric of freedom. > > > > Many of our riders are still on active duty > and cannot engage in > > symbolic protest. Others of us now enjoy the > freedom, and freedom of action, > > that we stand for. Only a few of us are in a > secure enough position that we > > can afford to conduct the act of defiance > characterizing the American's > > disenchantment with encroaching government. > > > > To that end, I invite you to consider riding > without a helmet on July > > 4th. > > > > Some of us may get stopped. Generally, the > officer will ask you what you > > are doing and honesty is the best policy. He may > give you the option of > > continuing with your helmet on in lieu of a ticket > and at this point > > discretion may be the better part of valor. > However, you have the option of > > asking him for the ticket, and with the acceptance > of the ticket, you advance > > one more step into the fight for the values at > issue. Limited government > > trusting the judgment of an educated people versus > a distrusting government > > exercising suzerainty over its property. The next > battle is waged in the > > courts. > > > > Those who wish to pursue this course of > action, and wish to discuss an > > attack strategy may contact me for further > information. > > Gawthrop@XXXXXX > > > > Bill Gawthrop > > Maryland > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 10:40:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5SEe5803557 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:40:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:39:27 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062D19@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Matthew Ehlert'" , Bill Huson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Helmet Protest, July 4th Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:32:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" What countries have more freedom than the US? Name them if you are so smart. mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Ehlert [SMTP:matt_ehlert@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 10:17 AM > To: Bill Huson > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Helmet Protest, July 4th > > No question helmets save lives and also put allot of > people on life support for the rest of their lives.... > > but the real issue is the idealogy that our government > must control every aspect of our lives..... why in the > world should the government care if i ware a helmet or > not!!! Frankly there is more freedom in other > countries..... yet we are so proud of our freedom of > speech... and so called freedom.... as more and more > laws are passed..... so we can protest.... oh yeahhhhh > > > --- Bill Huson wrote: > > Oh boy! Should I bring my Shoei DOT/Snell 95 > > helmet? The one that is crushed, > > the one that saved my brain? > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > A note to the dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > The following was sent to a local veterans M/C > > club and I thought it might of > > > of interest to some of your readers. The purpose > > here is not to ignite a > > > helmet debate but to advise riders that there is > > an event planned. The > > > original message follows. > > > > > > The purpose of this email is to keep you posted on > > current events. > > > BACKGROUND: At one time, all of us took an oath, > > when we wore the uniform of > > > our country, to defend her from all enemies, > > foreign and domestic. As a > > > retired soldier, I have turned my attention to > > protecting my country from the > > > domestic enemy that confronts all civilizations: > > internal decay. > > > > > > There is, infact, a change taking place that > > devalues the individual and > > > sanctifies the state. Laws that once were clear, > > limited, and understandable > > > are now becoming obtuse, intrusive, and > > expansive. > > > > > > The concept of limited government is shifting > > toward expanding rule and > > > frankly, we are it's logical targets. We > > symbolize and exercise values of > > > freedom and independence and this is a source of > > concern to those who see > > > such values as a social burden. > > > > > > There is a danger here. It is neither clear > > nor present, but it lurks > > > in the shadows as a thief in the night waiting to > > steal another thread of > > > discretion that comprises the fabric of freedom. > > > > > > Many of our riders are still on active duty > > and cannot engage in > > > symbolic protest. Others of us now enjoy the > > freedom, and freedom of action, > > > that we stand for. Only a few of us are in a > > secure enough position that we > > > can afford to conduct the act of defiance > > characterizing the American's > > > disenchantment with encroaching government. > > > > > > To that end, I invite you to consider riding > > without a helmet on July > > > 4th. > > > > > > Some of us may get stopped. Generally, the > > officer will ask you what you > > > are doing and honesty is the best policy. He may > > give you the option of > > > continuing with your helmet on in lieu of a ticket > > and at this point > > > discretion may be the better part of valor. > > However, you have the option of > > > asking him for the ticket, and with the acceptance > > of the ticket, you advance > > > one more step into the fight for the values at > > issue. Limited government > > > trusting the judgment of an educated people versus > > a distrusting government > > > exercising suzerainty over its property. The next > > battle is waged in the > > > courts. > > > > > > Those who wish to pursue this course of > > action, and wish to discuss an > > > attack strategy may contact me for further > > information. > > > Gawthrop@XXXXXX > > > > > > Bill Gawthrop > > > Maryland > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 10:43:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5SEhf803649 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA04014; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000628104205.00a38b80@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:44:15 -0400 To: Matthew Ehlert , Bill Huson From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Helmet Protest, July 4th Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20000628141639.5723.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I personally wouldn't ride in this area (Washington, DC/metro) without a helmet on. That's just my opinion. I have ridden out in the West without a helmet on, and it was fun, BUT you could see for MILES on totally flat roads and there was no traffic. Totally different experience. It's not worth taking chances around here. Again, just my opinion. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >> Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: >> >> > A note to the dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> > The following was sent to a local veterans M/C >> club and I thought it might of >> > of interest to some of your readers. The purpose >> here is not to ignite a >> > helmet debate but to advise riders that there is >> an event planned. The >> > original message follows. >> > >> > The purpose of this email is to keep you posted on >> current events. >> > BACKGROUND: At one time, all of us took an oath, >> when we wore the uniform of >> > our country, to defend her from all enemies, >> foreign and domestic. As a >> > retired soldier, I have turned my attention to >> protecting my country from the >> > domestic enemy that confronts all civilizations: >> internal decay. >> > >> > There is, infact, a change taking place that >> devalues the individual and >> > sanctifies the state. Laws that once were clear, >> limited, and understandable >> > are now becoming obtuse, intrusive, and >> expansive. >> > >> > The concept of limited government is shifting >> toward expanding rule and >> > frankly, we are it's logical targets. We >> symbolize and exercise values of >> > freedom and independence and this is a source of >> concern to those who see >> > such values as a social burden. >> > >> > There is a danger here. It is neither clear >> nor present, but it lurks >> > in the shadows as a thief in the night waiting to >> steal another thread of >> > discretion that comprises the fabric of freedom. >> > >> > Many of our riders are still on active duty >> and cannot engage in >> > symbolic protest. Others of us now enjoy the >> freedom, and freedom of action, >> > that we stand for. Only a few of us are in a >> secure enough position that we >> > can afford to conduct the act of defiance >> characterizing the American's >> > disenchantment with encroaching government. >> > >> > To that end, I invite you to consider riding >> without a helmet on July >> > 4th. >> > >> > Some of us may get stopped. Generally, the >> officer will ask you what you >> > are doing and honesty is the best policy. He may >> give you the option of >> > continuing with your helmet on in lieu of a ticket >> and at this point >> > discretion may be the better part of valor. >> However, you have the option of >> > asking him for the ticket, and with the acceptance >> of the ticket, you advance >> > one more step into the fight for the values at >> issue. Limited government >> > trusting the judgment of an educated people versus >> a distrusting government >> > exercising suzerainty over its property. The next >> battle is waged in the >> > courts. >> > >> > Those who wish to pursue this course of >> action, and wish to discuss an >> > attack strategy may contact me for further >> information. >> > Gawthrop@XXXXXX >> > >> > Bill Gawthrop >> > Maryland >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 10:45:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash3.flashmail.com [207.173.216.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5SEjY803792 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24759 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2000 14:44:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash3.flashmail.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2000 14:44:37 -0000 Message-ID: <395A39AE.3361393F@flashmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:45:18 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gawthrop@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet Protest, July 4th References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > > To that end, I invite you to consider riding without a helmet on July > 4th. Bill. No thanks. I *want* to wear my helmet. Can we all protest big government by speeding instead? Will that make you happy? Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 11:01:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mh1.dot.gov (MH1.dot.gov [152.119.25.210]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5SF0w804218 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rspa-exchange.rspa.dot.gov by mh1.dot.gov with ESMTP for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:58:43 -0400 Received: by rspa-exchange.rspa.dot.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:00:33 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Burger, Donald" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Helmet Protest, July 4th Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:00:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) For a real protest we should all go out on the 4th and protest big government by speeding with no helmets while carrying guns. DB > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 1:45 PM > To: Gawthrop@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Helmet Protest, July 4th > > Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > To that end, I invite you to consider riding without a helmet on > July > > 4th. > > Bill. > > No thanks. I *want* to wear my helmet. Can we all protest big government > by speeding instead? Will that make you happy? > > Horkster > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 11:01:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r13.mx.aol.com (imo-r13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5SF1b804228 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:01:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.de.6f35348 (4557) for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:01:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:01:21 EDT Subject: Re: Helmet Protest, July 4th To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 In a message dated 6/28/00 10:42:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Mkitchell@XXXXXX writes: << What countries have more freedom than the US? mark>> Actually, in this issue, it's not countries, its states. These are the states that have more freedom than Maryland, Virginia, and D.C. Alaska, Arizona, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Dakota, Ohio, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Wisconsin, Wyoming. The source for this information may be found at: http://www.ama-cyc le.org/amaccess/laws/index.html Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 11:05:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from links.magenta.com (tansey@XXXXXX [151.199.66.150]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5SF5r804307 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by links.magenta.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11587; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:58:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Tansey To: DC Cycles cc: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet Protest, July 4th In-Reply-To: <395A39AE.3361393F@flashmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Dale Horstman wrote: > No thanks. I *want* to wear my helmet. Same here. I figure I tempted fate enough as a kid riding dirt bikes with zero protective gear. Give me my full face Shoei. But hey, if helmets aren't your kink and you want to protest... go ahead. Shannon From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 11:07:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5SF7T804327 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id u.df.655754a (4557); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:07:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:07:05 EDT Subject: Re: Helmet Protest, July 4th To: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 Don, you work for DOT. Please obtain for me the fliers for 1995, 96, 97, 98, 99 0r 2000 that, like the 1994 flier, identifies helmets that meet the Federal Standards. Thanks. Bill Gawthrop 1504 Chapman Rd Crofton, Maryland 21114 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 11:08:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from indus.house.gov (indus.house.gov [143.231.86.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5SF8G804337 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by indus.house.gov (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id LAA23480 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:00:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: indus.house.gov: smap set sender to using -f Received: from ims01.house.gov(143.231.32.176) by indus via smap id xma020214; Wed, 28 Jun 00 10:53:15 -0400 Received: by ims01.house.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:00:34 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Haring, Seth" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Helmet Protest, July 4th Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:00:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) It's a difficult argument. On one hand we're the most free nation in the world because we have people who represent us writing our laws -- so we have a say about what we live with. On the other hand, we have waaaaaaaay more restrictions on our day to day lives because new laws are constantly being written and enacted. I have friends from Eastern Europe and South America who are flabbergasted by the degree of restrictions in our day to day lives. But -- and this is a big but -- they wouldn't trade it in for what they used to have. There are simply too many opportunities to be had regardless of the number of laws attached to them. This is my opinion based on extensive conversations with people who have an "outside the box" viewpoint on the United States. Do me a favor and count the number of police you see every day and the measure the width of a state law book. Seth (currently without a motorcycle) > ---------- > From: Mark Kitchell[SMTP:Mkitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 10:32 AM > To: 'Matthew Ehlert'; Bill Huson > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Helmet Protest, July 4th > > What countries have more freedom than the US? Name them if you are so > smart. > > mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matthew Ehlert [SMTP:matt_ehlert@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 10:17 AM > > To: Bill Huson > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Helmet Protest, July 4th > > > > No question helmets save lives and also put allot of > > people on life support for the rest of their lives.... > > > > but the real issue is the idealogy that our government > > must control every aspect of our lives..... why in the > > world should the government care if i ware a helmet or > > not!!! Frankly there is more freedom in other > > countries..... yet we are so proud of our freedom of > > speech... and so called freedom.... as more and more > > laws are passed..... so we can protest.... oh yeahhhhh > > > > > > --- Bill Huson wrote: > > > Oh boy! Should I bring my Shoei DOT/Snell 95 > > > helmet? The one that is crushed, > > > the one that saved my brain? > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > > A note to the dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > The following was sent to a local veterans M/C > > > club and I thought it might of > > > > of interest to some of your readers. The purpose > > > here is not to ignite a > > > > helmet debate but to advise riders that there is > > > an event planned. The > > > > original message follows. > > > > > > > > The purpose of this email is to keep you posted on > > > current events. > > > > BACKGROUND: At one time, all of us took an oath, > > > when we wore the uniform of > > > > our country, to defend her from all enemies, > > > foreign and domestic. As a > > > > retired soldier, I have turned my attention to > > > protecting my country from the > > > > domestic enemy that confronts all civilizations: > > > internal decay. > > > > > > > > There is, infact, a change taking place that > > > devalues the individual and > > > > sanctifies the state. Laws that once were clear, > > > limited, and understandable > > > > are now becoming obtuse, intrusive, and > > > expansive. > > > > > > > > The concept of limited government is shifting > > > toward expanding rule and > > > > frankly, we are it's logical targets. We > > > symbolize and exercise values of > > > > freedom and independence and this is a source of > > > concern to those who see > > > > such values as a social burden. > > > > > > > > There is a danger here. It is neither clear > > > nor present, but it lurks > > > > in the shadows as a thief in the night waiting to > > > steal another thread of > > > > discretion that comprises the fabric of freedom. > > > > > > > > Many of our riders are still on active duty > > > and cannot engage in > > > > symbolic protest. Others of us now enjoy the > > > freedom, and freedom of action, > > > > that we stand for. Only a few of us are in a > > > secure enough position that we > > > > can afford to conduct the act of defiance > > > characterizing the American's > > > > disenchantment with encroaching government. > > > > > > > > To that end, I invite you to consider riding > > > without a helmet on July > > > > 4th. > > > > > > > > Some of us may get stopped. Generally, the > > > officer will ask you what you > > > > are doing and honesty is the best policy. He may > > > give you the option of > > > > continuing with your helmet on in lieu of a ticket > > > and at this point > > > > discretion may be the better part of valor. > > > However, you have the option of > > > > asking him for the ticket, and with the acceptance > > > of the ticket, you advance > > > > one more step into the fight for the values at > > > issue. Limited government > > > > trusting the judgment of an educated people versus > > > a distrusting government > > > > exercising suzerainty over its property. The next > > > battle is waged in the > > > > courts. > > > > > > > > Those who wish to pursue this course of > > > action, and wish to discuss an > > > > attack strategy may contact me for further > > > information. > > > > Gawthrop@XXXXXX > > > > > > > > Bill Gawthrop > > > > Maryland > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 11:10:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5SFAk804350 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:10:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4820 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2000 15:09:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash3.flashmail.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2000 15:09:53 -0000 Message-ID: <395A3F99.29DB64DC@flashmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:10:33 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Burger, Donald" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet Protest, July 4th References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Burger, Donald" wrote: > > For a real protest we should all go out on the 4th and protest big > government by speeding with no helmets while carrying guns. I guess I *could* carry the deer rifle around my shoulders with the sling... it would be tough to use it in traffic, though... -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 11:16:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5SFGJ804500 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.243]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e5SFGAe11553 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:16:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7544 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2000 15:15:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash3.flashmail.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2000 15:15:22 -0000 Message-ID: <395A4086.DFF0C746@flashmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:14:30 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gawthrop@XXXXXX CC: Tansey , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Helmet Protest, July 4th References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tansey wrote: > > On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Dale Horstman wrote: > > > No thanks. I *want* to wear my helmet. > > Same here. I figure I tempted fate enough as a kid riding dirt bikes with > zero protective gear. Give me my full face Shoei. > > But hey, if helmets aren't your kink and you want to protest... go ahead. > > Shannon I really think we should protest the law outlawing ear plugs in Virginia. If you guys riding around without helmets put in some really colorful earplugs I would really appreciate it. When you get stopped, tell the officer "Huh? What? I can't hear you, I'm wearing these earplugs to protest Big Government and laws encroaching on my freedoms. I can't hear a word you are saying. Please write me a ticket for the earplugs." I protest the law by wearing earplugs everytime I ride, but my helmet hides them, and the cops never pull me over. I really, really want to assert my rights as a citizen, but The Man won't cooperate. Maybe I need to ride faster... :) Horkster (fighting for your freedoms too) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 11:17:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailbox.office.aol.com (x98A3A11D.pix.aol.com [152.163.161.29]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5SFHo804510 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gruntled.office.aol.com (gruntled.office.aol.com [10.4.136.237]) by mailbox.office.aol.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24383 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (cerberus@localhost) by gruntled.office.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-DTI62-02) with ESMTP id LAA04578 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:17:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: gruntled.office.aol.com: cerberus owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:17:36 -0400 From: Dave Paper X-Sender: cerberus@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Helmet Protest, July 4th In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Tansey wrote: > On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Dale Horstman wrote: > > > No thanks. I *want* to wear my helmet. > > Same here. I figure I tempted fate enough as a kid riding dirt bikes with > zero protective gear. Give me my full face Shoei. You bet. I won't go out on the roads around here w/o one. I'm all for people not wearing their helmets as long as they cancel their life insurance and shed their healthcare coverage. Besides- they won't need any when the asphalt greets them. -dave -- Dave Paper AOL Database Operations cerberus@XXXXXX MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced --Jay It's no accident "user" is a 4 letter word --KV From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 11:23:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5SFNf804621 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.e6.75d29f2 (4562) for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:23:27 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:23:26 EDT Subject: Re: Helmet Protest, July 4th To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 AHHH! AHHH! Stop it! :) We all know that the majority of people here have common sense and always wear a helmet. I know I do. But that's not the point. *Some* people don't want to - and that's their thing. The Government, on the other hand, has decided that it can decide how safe you need to be. Sorry, that doesn't sit too well in my stomach. As much as I HATE looking like a paranoid git, and play down Big Brother tirades by ABATE and the AMA, they really do keep slithering in new and more restrictive laws all the time. What if the next law says you have to wear full leathers all the time? While that's a great idea in terms of the amount of safety it provides, and some people (like myself) often (read: often, not always) do it already, its not for everyone and goes beyond *their personal threshold* in regard to the amount of safety they want to employ while riding. Ever see those frigging leg protectors some would like to put on motorcycles??? Not on my bike, thanks. Freedom is all about choice. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 11:30:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5SFUR804781 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user97.anent.com [208.195.115.97]) by netgate.anent.com (Build 98 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA04507 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:30:03 -0400 Message-ID: <00f601bfe115$b5c4ce40$6173c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: References: Subject: Re: Helmet Protest, July 4th Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:29:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I think I broke my delete key. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 11:32:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web314.mail.yahoo.com (web314.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5SFVw804791 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:31:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000628153150.3834.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.185.42.85] by web314.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:31:50 PDT Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:31:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: Helmet Protest, July 4th To: Jeannette Zell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i agree.... in the city areas of high congested and crazy drivers (like this area) i would have a hard time not waring a helmet.....come to think about i am crazy for driving a motorcycle in this area..... .... but i really have a hard time with understanding the government enforcing the issue of which i believe there should be a choice. I think that is one frivolous law we don't need. But just to set the record straight... i am not against helmets as a choice of added safety. i never forget my fist experience without the helmet.... riding to ocean city before MD helmet law......so much freedom.... and that beetle that hit me right on the forehead.. --- Jeannette Zell wrote: > I personally wouldn't ride in this area (Washington, > DC/metro) without a > helmet on. That's just my opinion. I have ridden > out in the West without > a helmet on, and it was fun, BUT you could see for > MILES on totally flat > roads and there was no traffic. Totally different > experience. It's not > worth taking chances around here. Again, just my > opinion. > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > >> Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > >> > >> > A note to the dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >> > The following was sent to a local veterans M/C > >> club and I thought it might of > >> > of interest to some of your readers. The > purpose > >> here is not to ignite a > >> > helmet debate but to advise riders that there > is > >> an event planned. The > >> > original message follows. > >> > > >> > The purpose of this email is to keep you posted > on > >> current events. > >> > BACKGROUND: At one time, all of us took an > oath, > >> when we wore the uniform of > >> > our country, to defend her from all enemies, > >> foreign and domestic. As a > >> > retired soldier, I have turned my attention to > >> protecting my country from the > >> > domestic enemy that confronts all > civilizations: > >> internal decay. > >> > > >> > There is, infact, a change taking place that > >> devalues the individual and > >> > sanctifies the state. Laws that once were > clear, > >> limited, and understandable > >> > are now becoming obtuse, intrusive, and > >> expansive. > >> > > >> > The concept of limited government is > shifting > >> toward expanding rule and > >> > frankly, we are it's logical targets. We > >> symbolize and exercise values of > >> > freedom and independence and this is a source > of > >> concern to those who see > >> > such values as a social burden. > >> > > >> > There is a danger here. It is neither > clear > >> nor present, but it lurks > >> > in the shadows as a thief in the night waiting > to > >> steal another thread of > >> > discretion that comprises the fabric of > freedom. > >> > > >> > Many of our riders are still on active > duty > >> and cannot engage in > >> > symbolic protest. Others of us now enjoy the > >> freedom, and freedom of action, > >> > that we stand for. Only a few of us are in a > >> secure enough position that we > >> > can afford to conduct the act of defiance > >> characterizing the American's > >> > disenchantment with encroaching government. > >> > > >> > To that end, I invite you to consider > riding > >> without a helmet on July > >> > 4th. > >> > > >> > Some of us may get stopped. Generally, the > >> officer will ask you what you > >> > are doing and honesty is the best policy. He > may > >> give you the option of > >> > continuing with your helmet on in lieu of a > ticket > >> and at this point > >> > discretion may be the better part of valor. > >> However, you have the option of > >> > asking him for the ticket, and with the > acceptance > >> of the ticket, you advance > >> > one more step into the fight for the values at > >> issue. Limited government > >> > trusting the judgment of an educated people > versus > >> a distrusting government > >> > exercising suzerainty over its property. The > next > >> battle is waged in the > >> > courts. > >> > > >> > Those who wish to pursue this course of > >> action, and wish to discuss an > >> > attack strategy may contact me for further > >> information. > >> > Gawthrop@XXXXXX > >> > > >> > Bill Gawthrop > >> > Maryland > >> > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from > anywhere! > >http://mail.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 11:33:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5SFX3804801 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17197 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2000 15:32:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash3.flashmail.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2000 15:32:17 -0000 Message-ID: <395A44CD.B2CD8A99@flashmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:32:45 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gawthrop@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet Protest, July 4th References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > > Don, you work for DOT. > Please obtain for me the fliers for 1995, 96, 97, 98, 99 0r 2000 that, like > the 1994 flier, identifies helmets that meet the Federal Standards. I thought helmets that meet the Federal Standards had to have a little DOT sticker affixed to them. Why does Maryland have to identify a list of helmets if they are clearly marked already? It would cost too much taxpayer's money maintaining the list, wouldn't it? Bill, do you have a problem with the way the Maryland law is worded? If so, come on out and say it. I'm sure the Maryland legislators would probably be happy to reword to law to something you can better understand. What they are afraid of doing is striking down the law and having a bunch of uninformed riders (directed to all the folks who think riding without a helmet on public roads is "cool" or somehow safer than riding with one) turned loose on our highways with no ear, eye, or head protection. Bikers need helmets. And judging from efforts of groups like yours, Bill, we apparently need helmet laws, too. It's a damn shame you have to legislate common sense. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 11:33:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r13.mx.aol.com (imo-r13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5SFXc804811 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.b8.7b00174 (4562) for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:33:19 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:33:19 EDT Subject: Re: Helmet Protest, July 4th To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 As for insurance premiums... BAD Argument. Compare: Health cost of non-helmeted rider in accident vs. helmeted rider wearing shorts, t-shirt, and flip-flops in accident. The helmet saves the head (and therefore brain) so you have to repair the rest of the mangled body. Sorry to be graphic, but it's the truth. Wearing a helmet with nothing else in terms of safety gear is pretty much useless IMHO. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 11:39:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h003.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.167]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5SFdO805005 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:39:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 23450 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2000 08:39:08 -0700 Date: 28 Jun 2000 08:39:08 -0700 Message-ID: <20000628153908.23449.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 28 Jun 2000 15:39:08 GMT Received: from [205.229.56.13] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 28 Jun 2000 08:39:08 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: tansey@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Gawthrop@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.3.1 Subject: Re: Helmet Protest, July 4th On Wed, 28 June 2000, Tansey wrote: I totally agree. I had a minor head injury a few years ago from a freik accident. I was out of work for three months. It was one of the worst things I ever went through, and it was mild in comparison to what could happen when riding a MC with no helmet. Especially for me, as a beginner rider...my Shoei is my best friend when I'm out cruising. Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 > > On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Dale Horstman wrote: > > > No thanks. I *want* to wear my helmet. > > Same here. I figure I tempted fate enough as a kid riding dirt bikes with > zero protective gear. Give me my full face Shoei. > > But hey, if helmets aren't your kink and you want to protest... go ahead. > > Shannon ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 11:42:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5SFgX805105 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:41:59 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062D1C@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Dale Horstman'" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Helmet Protest, July 4th Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:34:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain They need the list becuase these anti-helmet people have fake stickers made.............. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 2:33 PM > To: Gawthrop@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Helmet Protest, July 4th > > Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > Don, you work for DOT. > > Please obtain for me the fliers for 1995, 96, 97, 98, 99 0r 2000 that, > like > > the 1994 flier, identifies helmets that meet the Federal Standards. > > I thought helmets that meet the Federal Standards had to have a little > DOT sticker affixed to them. Why does Maryland have to identify a > list of helmets if they are clearly marked already? It would cost > too much taxpayer's money maintaining the list, wouldn't it? > > Bill, do you have a problem with the way the Maryland law is worded? > If so, come on out and say it. I'm sure the Maryland legislators would > probably be happy to reword to law to something you can better understand. > > What they are afraid of doing is striking down the law and having a bunch > of uninformed riders (directed to all the folks who think riding without a > > helmet on public roads is "cool" or somehow safer than riding with one) > turned > loose on our highways with no ear, eye, or head protection. > > Bikers need helmets. And judging from efforts of groups like yours, Bill, > we apparently need helmet laws, too. It's a damn shame you have to > legislate > common sense. > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 11:44:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5SFiW805135 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 137K0Y-0000l2-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:44:10 -0700 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:44:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Helmet Protest, July 4th In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Burger, Donald wrote: > For a real protest we should all go out on the 4th and protest big > government by speeding with no helmets while carrying guns. > and smoking dope naked. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 11:53:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3102.mail.yahoo.com (web3102.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.187]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5SFri805361 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000628155330.1979.qmail@web3102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.21.68.66] by web3102.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:53:30 PDT Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:53:30 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan main Subject: RE: Helmet Protest, July 4th To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > They need the list becuase these anti-helmet people have fake stickers > made.............. why not goto some leather store and just buy one of the fake ones? if that's what you're getting at. kinda remindes me of the time I saw a guy at Snakeman's who walked in head to toe in leather and was bitching about wearing a helmet. I almost died laughing on the spot. Anyway I don't think that they make stickers look exactly like what a DOT sticker looks like. I know that the DOT has that square around it and most of the fake DOT's didn't. anyway wear you helmet or don't, it's your head. I know I'm glad when I hit that damn deer that I was wearing my hemlet, don't want to know how ugly my mug would be then! I'm gonna be out west anyway over the 4th in states that don't require helmets and I think I'll protest foolishness and wear mine. Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 12:23:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from awcst094.netaddress.usa.net ([204.68.24.94]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5SGN0805954 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22800 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jun 2000 16:21:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20000628162104.22799.qmail@awcst094.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.94 by awcst094 for [162.70.119.107] via web-mailer(34FM1.5.01) on Wed Jun 28 16:21:04 GMT 2000 Date: 28 Jun 00 12:21:04 EDT From: Linda Tanner To: Subject: RE: Helmet Protest, July 4th X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM1.5.01) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e5SGNM805955 Hear, hear. Or, even better '2 up' (pun intended) naked with all permutations of male/female rider/passenger. LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (67K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/480 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Caldwell" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 11:44 AM Subject: RE: Helmet Protest, July 4th On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Burger, Donald wrote: > For a real protest we should all go out on the 4th and protest big > government by speeding with no helmets while carrying guns. > and smoking dope naked. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 13:27:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web511.mail.yahoo.com (web511.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5SHRB807131 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000628172707.6542.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.83.75] by web511.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:27:07 PDT Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:27:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Helmet Protest, July 4th To: Dale Horstman , Gawthrop@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Bikers need helmets. i don't need a helmet to ride over to my neighbor's house, but the law requires it > And judging from efforts of groups like yours, Bill, > we apparently need helmet laws, too. It's a damn > shame you have to legislate common sense. i never ride without my helmet (well, maybe over to the shower at a campsite), but i think its a great opportunity to remove the law from md's books anything that gives bikers more freedom than they currently have is a good thing -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 13:38:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1.trw.com (mailhub1.TRW.COM [129.193.4.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5SHcn807336 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from navieg3.TRW.COM by mailhub1.trw.com for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:38:39 -0700 Received: (from SMTP [129.193.4.9]) by navieg3.TRW.COM (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 54) with SMTP id M2000062810383832527 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:38:38 -0700 Received: from RESVA-MS6 ([158.114.112.204]) by navieg1.trw.com (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:38:38 0000 (GMT) Received: from trw.com ([129.193.160.238]) by RESVA-MS6; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:38:13 -0400 Message-Id: <395A3835.18BF4406@trw.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:39:01 -0400 From: Randy Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet Protest, July 4th References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > For a real protest we should all go out on the 4th and protest big > > government by speeding with no helmets while carrying guns. > > > and smoking dope naked. ..With Elian Gonzales on the back. -- Randy Moran From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 13:40:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5SHea807349 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:40:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj [192.9.200.178] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.T) for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:39:28 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , Cc: Subject: RE: Helmet Protest, July 4th Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:47:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.178 While I generally support nudity, there's just too many people on this list that I don't want to see naked :) Oh the humanity ... Jay St. Peter Or, even better '2 up' (pun intended) naked with all permutations of male/female rider/passenger. > For a real protest we should all go out on the 4th and protest big > government by speeding with no helmets while carrying guns. > and smoking dope naked. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 14:06:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3605.mail.yahoo.com (web3605.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.109]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5SI6S807892 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000628180620.22188.qmail@web3605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web3605.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:06:20 PDT Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:06:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tire Recommendation Needed To: "Charles V. Pena" , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Its hard to tell if they are going to discontinue the BT-56 SS Type or not. It depends on the article you read. This is looking at the new tires that Bridgestone just came out with that seem to be very impressive. They are the BT-010 (which come OEM on some of the new 929 RR) and the more sport touring vesion the BT-020. Some of the articles say they are gone and some say there are not. Anyhow, I have ridden Zbig's 929 with the 010 and they seem real nice (and sticky). Glenn --- "Charles V. Pena" wrote: > > Bridgestone is going to discontinue the BT56SS??? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 14:26:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5SIQK808209 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA02790 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:25:55 -0400 From: zbig@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: Givi bags and tank bag for sale Message-ID: <20000628142555.A2786@kleks.org> References: <20000628180620.22188.qmail@web3605.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <20000628180620.22188.qmail@web3605.mail.yahoo.com> For sale: 1) 1 Givi 460, good shape; 2) 2 x Givi Maxia, very good shape (rarely used); in addition, one spare lock with keys.. 3) Eclipse tank bag, used, black, 3 point mount, large. Will fit cruisers, FJ1200; it was too large for XX or RR. asking price: 1) $150 2) $330 both or $180 each; 3) asking $55; all together with local pickup/delivery around greater DC - $460. Please respond via e-mail to zbig@XXXXXX. reason for sale - tank bag is too large for RR, and I am not doing enough long distance riding to justify putting a rack on RR. (if you think you can convince me take somethign as a trade-in, feel free to make an offer...- I am on market for Corbin seat for '00 Blade). _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 00' Blade C43 AMG - Silver Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 14:28:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.244]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5SISX808284 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:28:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8828 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2000 18:24:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash4.flashmail.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2000 18:24:50 -0000 Message-ID: <395A6DF3.31A807DD@flashmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:28:19 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet Protest, July 4th References: <20000628172707.6542.qmail@web511.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > > --- Dale Horstman wrote: > > Bikers need helmets. > > i don't need a helmet to ride over to my neighbor's > house, but the law requires it You don't need a helmet to ride over to the neighbors's house. Of course not! Nobody does. You don't need a helmet to have some idiot in a cage make a left turn right in front of you. You don't need a helmet to centerpunch said idiot's door with your bike. You don't need a helmet to go flying over the top of the car at 30 mph. But I'm thinking you just might need a helmet before you land. :) At this point, it's extremely difficult going back to your house to get it. I humbly suggest taking a helmet with you and wearing it to be a good idea. And I think a law requiring helmet use is a good idea. And I find the existing law regarding helmet use to certainly be reasonable. That said, I'm done with this topic in public. I'll be more than willing to continue this offline. We're probably wearing out delete keys at a record pace today in the DC metro area. :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 14:48:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web314.mail.yahoo.com (web314.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5SImn808619 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000628184841.16907.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.185.42.85] by web314.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:48:41 PDT Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:48:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: Helmet Protest, July 4th To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii for those that would like to legislate common sense...... helmet law 10^102 :helmet required for protection while riding a horse. helmet law 10^103 :helmet required for protection while riding a bicycle. helmet law 10^104 :helmet required for protection while with an over zealous love partner. helmet law 10^105 :helmet required for protection while attending any sports event... hockey, baseball,ect... ect... ect... call your legislative representative today..... and help take more freedom away from our free country __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 14:55:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (proxy.mailbank.com [208.49.167.126]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5SItd808709 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA24931; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:53:12 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000628145610.007220a4@pop-server.cox.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:56:10 -0400 To: Chuck Pena , DC Cycles From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Saturday (7/1) and Monday (7/3) rides In-Reply-To: <39578862.108E89D4@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:44 AM 6/26/00 -0700, Chuck Pena wrote: >SATURDAY, July 1st > But the idea will be to meet >at the Sheetz at the intersection of 55 and 15 in Haymarket. Can anyone suggest the best way to get from the Reston area to Haymarket? And tell me about how long it will likely take? Thanks, ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 15:13:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3206.mail.yahoo.com (web3206.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.203]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5SJDA809096 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000628191302.11915.qmail@web3206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.188.47.80] by web3206.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:13:02 PDT Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:13:02 -0700 (PDT) From: JEM Racing Subject: JEM SV Price Reduced for Quicker Sale! To: SV650@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Due to the overwhelming demand for my bike at $6500 (uh like, nobody responded) I am having a sale. Step right up - Get on the business end of my goin outta business sale - Totally Race Prepped SuperSport 1999 SV650 -$5500 http://members2.clubphoto.com/jem217423/First_Album/ Trailer - $1750 ===== Jonathan Broga JEM Racing CCS #502 Sponsored By: http://www.centurypool.com http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.elfmoto.com http://www.loudounmotorsports.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 15:26:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5SJQY809277 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pti.com (pc69.pti.com [208.213.159.69]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with ESMTP id PAA06305; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <395A5239.873D5F4@pti.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:30:01 -0400 From: Nelson Fernandez X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Meyer CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Saturday (7/1) and Monday (7/3) rides References: <3.0.3.32.20000628145610.007220a4@pop-server.cox.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob I would take 28 to 66 (west) to 15 (south). It's just off the exit, less that a block. As for how long it would take, I'm not sure but would guess at less that a half hour. I'm sure there will be a few of us showing up early since its a lot more fun to spend a little time getting to know everyone that to try and find the group after they leave, so show up early and enjoy some bad coffee. Look forward to meeting everyone. Nelson From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 15:45:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5SJjh809692 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va15-45.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.109]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA19340; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <395A8146.7C737547@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:50:46 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dysart@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Tire Recommendation Needed References: <20000628180620.22188.qmail@web3605.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glenn, My understanding (reading a couple of different articles/write-ups) about the new Bridgestone BT-010 and -020 is that these are direct replacement for the BT-56 OEM and BT-57 OEM tires, respectively. The BT-010/56 being a "sport" tire and the BT-020/57 being a "sport touring" tire. While the BT-56SS remains as Bridgestone's "high performance" tire. Chuck Glenn Dysart wrote: > > Its hard to tell if they are going to discontinue the > BT-56 SS Type or not. It depends on the article you > read. This is looking at the new tires that > Bridgestone just came out with that seem to be very > impressive. They are the BT-010 (which come OEM on > some of the new 929 RR) and the more sport touring > vesion the BT-020. Some of the articles say they are > gone and some say there are not. Anyhow, I have > ridden Zbig's 929 with the 010 and they seem real nice > (and sticky). From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 15:50:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5SJo3809777 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va15-45.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.109]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA13274; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <395A823C.3837D065@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:54:52 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Meyer CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Saturday (7/1) and Monday (7/3) rides References: <3.0.3.32.20000628145610.007220a4@pop-server.cox.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob, The fastest -- but most boring -- way is probably: Fairfax County Parkway to I-66 I-66 west to Manassas Gainsville/Route 29 south exit after Manssas R on 55 to Haymarket (first right after exiting I-66, after crossing railroad tracks) Probably half-hour or so on a Saturday morning. Chuck Bob Meyer wrote: > > At 09:44 AM 6/26/00 -0700, Chuck Pena wrote: > > >SATURDAY, July 1st > > > But the idea will be to meet > >at the Sheetz at the intersection of 55 and 15 in Haymarket. > > Can anyone suggest the best way to get from the Reston area to Haymarket? > And tell me about how long it will likely take? > > Thanks, > > ITW, > Bob Meyer > '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 > ===================================================== > People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, > because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 15:51:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5SJpX809789 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user50.anent.com [208.195.115.50]) by netgate.anent.com (Build 98 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA07105 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:51:12 -0400 Message-ID: <001c01bfe13a$0b9f3840$3273c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Loudoun Motorsports burns Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:49:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I was just driving home past Loudoun Motorsports in Leesburg to see them boarding up all the windows. It appears that the dealership was gutted by fire. I have no idea what happened but I thought I'd post a message. Bruce From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 15:56:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5SJuE810090 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va15-45.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.109]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA10739; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <395A83BA.52F2307A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:01:14 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles , Bannon Wysocki , Jay Ribera , Pete Wysocki CC: Danny Thompson Subject: Saturday (7/1) and Monday (7/3) rides Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those of you interested in either or both of these rides, here are the details... SATURDAY Meet at 9:30am at the Sheetz in Haymarket at the intersection of 55 and 15. Danny Thompson is the ride leader. Below is a proposed route. But Danny knows the roads better than me and may choose to deviate. L out of the Sheetz onto 55 S X 15 @ TL L Blantyre Rd. L Route 17 (4 lanes, divided highway) R Foxcroft Rd. L Bear Wallow Rd. (T intersection) R Norfolk Dr. L Gold Cup Dr. (T intersection) R Rappahannock St. L Old Waterloo Rd. 678 BR onto 691/Wilson Rd. S TRO Wilson Rd./689 BR TRO Wilson Rd./738 L 647/Crest Hill Rd. (T intersection) S X 688/Leeds Manor Rd. L 522 in Flint Hill (T intersection) - We usually re-group in the parking lot across the street R 211 (T intersection) We will take 211 through Sperryville and then up and over Thornton Gap and then turn around (FYI, Danny would like to go up and over Thornton Gap 2 or 3 times) to head back the way we came on 211 ----- NOTE: If you've never been on 211 over Thornton Gap before, it's a pretty twisty section of road. Some of the turns are decreasing radius. Some of them seem to never end. Ride conservatively/safely to learn the road/turns. ----- L on 522 We will take 522 through Flint Hill and up and over Chester Gap and down into Front Royal - we can make rest/gas stop in Front Royal, if necessary R Happy Creek Rd. in Front Royal L Morgan Ford Rd. R 638 (through Howellsville) L TRO 638 (Blue Mountain Rd. ?) (T intersection) R 17 at Berrys (T intersection) L 606 S/BR 649 (through Frogtown) L TRO 649 becomes 606 again then becomes 607 R 7 (T intersection) R 601/Blue Ridge Mountain Rd. at top of Snickers Gap ----- NOTE: 601 has some moderately twisty sections. The road by the weather station, i.e., Mount Weather, has a pretty tight left-right combination and I think both turns are marked as 10 or 15 mph. The lefthander is downhill and there's usually gravel on the inside of the turn, i.e., the apex. Don't go gonzo/banzai through here. Also, the last turn on 601 before coming to Route 50 is a tight, decreasing radius turn which I think is marked as 10 or 15 mph and is also semi-blind. You DO NOT want to blow this turn! ----- S X 50 into parking lot on other side of road We will re-group in the parking lot and depending on the time and where people have to go next, we'll all each figure what to do. NOTE: For anyone who's interested, I'm going to do a little "pre-ride ride" for University Mall (Braddock Rd. and 123) in Fairfax out to the Sheetz to check out some roads. If you want to join me on this little mini adventure, either meet me in the parking lot behind the Rosslyn Amoco (N. Quinn and Wilson Blvd.) at 8am sharp or at University Mall in Fairfax at 8:30am. Another NOTE: If we have a large group on Saturday, we will probably split into 2 different sub-groups. Danny can lead one group and I can lead the other. MONDAY Will be an "impromptu" ride leaving from The Java Shack in Arlington (2507 N. Franklin Rd. -- where N. Franklin and N. Barton intersect with Wilson Blvd. and next door to Mr. Tire) at 9:30am. I'll be there at 9am for espressos/lattes. The route will be some variation of the Father's Day ride up into Montgomery (and maybe Frederick) County in MD. Might explore some roads I've not yet been on just to see what they're like. Not too long -- 2 hours, maybe 3 hours max. I absolutely, positively need to be back home (Arlington) NLT 1pm, preferably sooner. The "usual rules" apply: 1. It's not a race, so ride within your limits and comfort level. Nobody "wins" and no one "loses". 2. We will always wait for the last rider at selected points to make sure we still have everyone in the group. And if not, we will send someone back along the route to try to find out where they are and if there's a problem. 3. No passing/stuffing in the corners. 4. Ride ahead of the ride leader at your own "peril", i.e., if you get ahead and get lost, no one is going to go looking for you. If someone experiences a mechancial problem or some sort of "minor" mishap, the group needs to find a safe place where everyone can stop. One or two people will figure what, if anything, can be done to fix whatever broke. Once some sort of decision/resolution is made (got it fixed, call for roadside assistance, hitch a ride to the nearest gas station, etc.), the group will continue on. If someone goes down, we definitely need to stop and do whatever is necessary (within the best of our abilities). Hopefully, we won't have any mishaps (or worse), no 911 calls, no calls home to spouses/significant others/family, and no scrapes with the law. Looking forward to some fun riding on both Saturday and Sunday. Cheers, Skittles, aka Chuck From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 15:56:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5SJuZ810116 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA32166 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:56:22 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000628155518.00cbd2f0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:56:21 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Loudoun Motorsports burns In-Reply-To: <001c01bfe13a$0b9f3840$3273c3d0@bruce> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:49 PM 6/28/00 , Bruce Norton wrote: >I was just driving home past Loudoun Motorsports in Leesburg to see them >boarding up all the windows. It appears that the dealership was gutted by >fire. >I have no idea what happened but I thought I'd post a message. Guess someone got offended at their ads where they call motorcycles toys. Or maybe a jealous Harley rider got to them :-o Maybe they will rebuild in a decent sized building. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 16:29:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r16.mx.aol.com (imo-r16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5SKTn810824 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Lordorange@XXXXXX by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.57.7b1db8a (2615) for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:29:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Lordorange@XXXXXX Message-ID: <57.7b1db8a.268bba16@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:29:10 EDT Subject: Re: Loudoun Motorsports burns To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 In a message dated 6/28/2000 3:52:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bnorton@XXXXXX writes: << I was just driving home past Loudoun Motorsports in Leesburg to see them boarding up all the windows. It appears that the dealership was gutted by fire. I have no idea what happened but I thought I'd post a message. >> AIIIIGGGHHHHH!!!!!! My bike is there!! Mike (the mechanic) usually keeps it in the garage after hours. May have a little problem here :-0 -matt From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 16:35:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5SKZb810977 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-109-100.s100.tnt1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.109.100] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 137OYY-0001cC-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:35:35 -0400 Message-ID: <05ea01bfe140$a7b24d20$646daccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <20000628180620.22188.qmail@web3605.mail.yahoo.com> <395A8146.7C737547@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Tire Recommendation Needed Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:37:18 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 What Chuck said is true. Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (reason VFR is for sale: race bike) Amateur #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Pena To: Cc: DC Cycles Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 6:50 PM Subject: Re: Tire Recommendation Needed > Glenn, > > My understanding (reading a couple of different articles/write-ups) > about the new Bridgestone BT-010 and -020 is that these are direct > replacement for the BT-56 OEM and BT-57 OEM tires, respectively. The > BT-010/56 being a "sport" tire and the BT-020/57 being a "sport touring" > tire. While the BT-56SS remains as Bridgestone's "high performance" > tire. > > Chuck > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > Its hard to tell if they are going to discontinue the > > BT-56 SS Type or not. It depends on the article you > > read. This is looking at the new tires that > > Bridgestone just came out with that seem to be very > > impressive. They are the BT-010 (which come OEM on > > some of the new 929 RR) and the more sport touring > > vesion the BT-020. Some of the articles say they are > > gone and some say there are not. Anyhow, I have > > ridden Zbig's 929 with the 010 and they seem real nice > > (and sticky). From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 17:12:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5SLC8812330 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA03021; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:11:39 -0400 From: zbig@XXXXXX To: "Bruce Norton" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Loudoun Motorsports burns Message-ID: <20000628171139.A3014@kleks.org> References: <001c01bfe13a$0b9f3840$3273c3d0@bruce> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <001c01bfe13a$0b9f3840$3273c3d0@bruce> * Bruce Norton (bnorton@XXXXXX) [000628 17:05]: > I was just driving home past Loudoun Motorsports in Leesburg to see them > boarding up all the windows. It appears that the dealership was gutted by fire. > I have no idea what happened but I thought I'd post a message. > > Bruce Talked to Mike and some other guys. Fire started at 05:00 AM, took 2 hours to fight it. Main damage is in the office & new bikes area - quite a few bikes are damaged. Shop has mostly smoke damage. Most of the bikes which were in shop are OK, may take few days because all papers are gone. Their phones are kaput, so if you want to check with them, you will have to do it personally. Second building is OK. First news are that they will operate from second bulding, and will get shop working as soon as they can. They may need some good words... it is depressing image right now. _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 00' Blade C43 AMG - Silver Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 17:48:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5205.mail.yahoo.com (web5205.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5SLmb812960 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000628214829.2148.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.97.35] by web5205.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:48:29 PDT Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:48:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Helmet Protest, July 4th To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I agree that it's an excellent suggestion AND practice. I've read the commentary by list members that would choose to wear their helmet at all times, GREAT! I applaud your decision. I would like simply the option TO CHOOSE whether I wear a helmet or not. Nothing more. I don't believe that "common sense" should be mandated. Our personal freedoms are being attacked & eroded constantly. --- Dale Horstman wrote: "I humbly suggest taking a helmet with you and wearing it ..a good idea." Corbett '99 k1200rs __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 18:25:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5204.mail.yahoo.com (web5204.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5SMPS813520 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000628222521.11167.qmail@web5204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.97.35] by web5204.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:25:21 PDT Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:25:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Helmet Protest, July 4th To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii While some of you allow your choices to be whittled away you're setting the stage for the next battles under the guise of "public safety": Horsepower restrictions?, displacement restrictions?, "Michelin Man" suit? Roll cage? Sound rediculous? If you don't take a stand somewhere you're only fueling the flames. -Corbett --- BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > We all know that the majority of people here have > common sense and always > wear a helmet. I know I do. > > But that's not the point. > > *Some* people don't want to - and that's their > thing. The Government, on the > other hand, has decided that it can decide how safe > you need to be. Sorry, > that doesn't sit too well in my stomach. As much as > I HATE looking like a > paranoid git, and play down Big Brother tirades by > ABATE and the AMA, they > really do keep slithering in new and more > restrictive laws all the time. > > What if the next law says you have to wear full > leathers all the time? While > that's a great idea in terms of the amount of safety > it provides, and some > people (like myself) often (read: often, not always) > do it already, its not > for everyone and goes beyond *their personal > threshold* in regard to the > amount of safety they want to employ while riding. > Ever see those frigging > leg protectors some would like to put on > motorcycles??? Not on my bike, > thanks. > > Freedom is all about choice. > > > > - Roach __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jun 28 19:44:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from academic.pg.cc.md.us (academic.pg.cc.md.us [204.91.230.116]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5SNiT814820 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:44:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brad@localhost) by academic.pg.cc.md.us (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA06019; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:11:28 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:11:28 -0400 (EDT) From: To: JEM Racing cc: SV650@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: JEM SV Price Reduced for Quicker Sale! In-Reply-To: <20000628191302.11915.qmail@web3206.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey Jonathan, This is Brad, I talked to you on the phone earlier this eve. I haven't been home since I called you, so I'm sorry if you've been trying to call. I'm currently st