From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 1 01:04:39 1999 From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 01:03:46 EDT Subject: Good deal in latest Want Ad Weekly... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Someone's advertising a '98 Bandit 1200 with 2.3k on the odo for $5250!!! Wow. -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 1 10:48:47 1999 From: "Vas Majer" To: Subject: (SP) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:47:21 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 > comacozie(sp?) > kamikaze Mnemonic: "Kawasaki". From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 1 10:54:42 1999 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 10:52:15 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Good deal in latest Want Ad Weekly... -Reply Content-Disposition: inline Hope it's still "wow" after someone looks at it. Unlike the $2500 FJ1100 "in great shape" I looked at in Leesburg for a friend that featured two bald tires, a slipping clutch, bad carburetion, next-to-no front brake, and broom-painted bodywork. Joe >>> - 7/1/99 1:03 AM >>> Someone's advertising a '98 Bandit 1200 with 2.3k on the odo for $5250!!! Wow. -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 1 11:05:23 1999 From: "George Howell" To: "Ursulina Viteri" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: ?? about $$ for carb work Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 11:01:00 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > $210 to remove carbs, clean, reseal, adjust, and replace. He says he'll > have to keep the bike for a few days. How does that price and time frame > sound? > > Also, would this be called a "carb cleaning" or "carb rebuilding"? What's > the difference? Not sure what that would be... To give you a data point: for the older (four banger) Wings, rebuilding the carbs (replacing all needles, jets, gaskets, and o-rings) costs around $750-$1000. That's four CV carbs, and they are relatively easy to remove. So, either he isn't doing that much work, he's giving you the parts for less than free, or there's less labor involved. (Oh, the shops could also be ripping off people who ride old Wings:) BTW, the cheapest I've seen for a complete needle/jet/seal kit for Wings is $117 for a set of four.) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 1 12:27:04 1999 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Fighting For Your Lane Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:25:57 -0400 Yesterday's comments re the ST1100 & the SUV reminded me of a recent incident. June 17 four of us were slabbing down I 81 in the rain ;^( to NC :^). I was in the left lane biding my time as the truck ahead of me crept by another truck. The cager on my right began to nooge into my lane so I pulled ahead a tad in case his peripheral vision is really bad. He's still nooging me so I blip the air horns (the longest ones that Pep Boys sells). Nooger retreats. Later, the rider behind me said the cager hit his roof when the horns went off. :^D But, don't rely solely on sound to goose cagers - be sure they can see you so hopefully, they'll jump the other way. Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capitol since 1981 through rain, sun, and snow, but no ice! '85 VF700S "Rocin-ahorito" '80 GS450E "Caballoante"; FOM #3, AMA 676120; FOO/FOP; OGM #008; FMOENMC #0002 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 1 12:49:16 1999 From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Subject: mouth power Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 07:32:25 -0400 Great story! Funny how we get so used to talking (and other things) inside our helmets and tend to think that no one can ever hear us. Here's another one... I'm riding the Triumph to my weekend night [I was in college] job, and the motor sputters, so I switch to reserve. That was the night I discovered that my petcocks were bodged by a DPO, and I had no reserve. I only had about a mile to get to work, and there were a lot of hills on this road, so I thought I could roller coaster at least some of the way. So I'm rolling along with the (usually loud) engine off and with my visor open, when I see headlights very close behind me. Then I notice that the car is matching my speed, which can't be more than 15 miles an hour at the tops of the hills. It's making me nervous, and I yell, "What the f*** do you want!?" The answer comes over the police car PA system, "Run out of gas?" I say, "Uh... yeah." He then turns onto a side road, and leaves me to my roller coasting. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling Jeannette wrote... LOL!! Here's another story: Same basic thing, I was riding in the right lane of 495 'cause my exit was coming up...a blonde in some muscle car, without even turning her head an inch, decides to come into my lane from the right. I yelled, "AHHHH". She had her window open and heard me....finally turned her head!!!...and stopped coming into my lane. Sometimes the mouth works wonders. I think it's a lot louder than my horn. ; ) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 1 21:11:46 1999 From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 21:07:34 EDT Subject: Tires,dealers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cb-750@XXXXXX, I recently purchased a set of Michlin radials for my Night Hawk. I didn't have the time nor inclination to mount them myself so I thought I would call a couple of places to have that done. Loudoun Motorsport in Leesburg said I needed to call about two weeks ahead. Said thanks, but no thanks. Shenandoah Honda in Winchester said they could do it the next day, but when they heard the tires had been purchased mail order they said they wouldn't mount them because of "liability" . Called Winchester Indian. They said sure bring the bike over Thursday AM. When I arrived they were pouring concrete at the rear of shop making it impossible to get anything in. Seems theyhad forgotten the concrete deal when they made the appointment. No problem says the owner as he tossed me the keys to a Triumph 900 Legend. Bring it back Friday night or Saturday morning and put as many miles as you need to on it. The bottom line-- Since I bought my bike used from a private party I had been looking for a shop to call " home". I think I may have found it. Bob McKeithen From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 1 21:52:45 1999 From: JimJacks@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 21:50:52 EDT Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/01/99 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX That reminds ME of a story! The other day I got on my ultra fast and ultra sleek best bike in the world with every conceivable option I could find in my tee shirt and shorts...oh no...wait...in my full leathers, and I donned the helmet I got a great deal on , luckily I had recently hired the perfect shop to do all of my maintenence work and they did it for a reasonable cost, you know this was my sportbike, not my harley, becauee I like to be regarded as popular so I bought both to make sure I have all of the bases covered, and I still wave to "the other" group (except police officers, we all now know they rarely wave but sometimes do) anyhow the dyno said 130hp, and my tires both match and my clutch cable is stretched but not broken (only foreplay), and I picked the best rout ever, 1.6 miles this way and 2.something that, and some of it was dirt, which I wasnt aware of because I dont have my GPS that I ordered mail order (its the best way to go) yet but unfortunately some cage driver? (did I get that right?) cut me off and then almost hit me coming the other way (ok, maybe it was a different cage) and then some gas guzzling SUV was lane splitting (the Infinity logo was situated directly above the yellow lines, but I outran him like I do the cops (I hope there are no cops on here) and I couldnt wait to get back to my computer (a 327mh 250 somthing with a BIG ....hard drive? and realy fast telephone stuff...and a tv ...anyhow...) and write it all down for you guys! What fun! Does anyone know where I can get those cool neon lights inside my fairings? - l o l From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 00:13:52 1999 From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: , Subject: non-moto.. Stuff for sale Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 00:20:17 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BEC420.A956FB00 Folks... I hate to bother the list with stuff for sale BUT I'm on the = hunt for a new 2000 Firebird Formula so a few things have to go around = here: 1985 Saab 900 Turbo 3 door hatchback, 2.0L turbo with intercooler, car has 90k on it (just = breaking in), new turbo at 50k miles, steady oil changes, always allowed = to cool down before shutting engine off, black with red interior (needs = headliner), sun roof, Alpine CD with EQ, Earthquake amp, Orion speakers, = etc. Inquire for more information. $3500 with CD system, $2500 = without. 1972 Dodge Dart Swinger 340 clone No engine or trans, some rust in drivers floor, still good looking = though, relatively new quarter panels, ralley wheels, 8 3/4 rear, setup = for small block motor but will EASILY take a 383/440 big block (original = plan for me), interior is complete minus headliner. Biege paint with = Bee Stripe across trunk and quarters. No title but is obtainable through = VA DMV. $500/firm Computer stuff (4) Digital 133 PCs w/64 MB ram, 875MB HD, CD-ROM, internal sound, = on-board video. Y2K compatible. KB/Mouse and Digital 17" monitors. All = in excellent shape and ready to go. Great for college kids, etc. Make a = reasonable offer. Pentium Pro 200 MHz PC/Server 128 MB ram, 4.3 GB SCSI, Adaptec SCSI controller w/BIOS, Tyan Titan = Pro motherboard (the best period), CD-ROM, KB, MS Mouse, Win95 or NT 4.0 = WS, 17" monitor, Diamond Stealth Video w/4MB Vram combined with Monster = 3D graphics. No sound. Very powerful workstation. Tower case. Make = reasonable offer as well. Sorry about taking up the bandwidth. Tell anyone you know about this = stuff... we need it to go! Call or e-mail: zellto@XXXXXX tzell@XXXXXX H (703) 931-9143 W (202) 274-8015 Thanks, Tom '86 VFR750=20 OK... moto content.... 1st Gen VFRs rule!!! ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BEC420.A956FB00
Folks... I hate to bother the list with stuff for = sale BUT I'm=20 on the hunt for a new 2000 Firebird Formula so a few things have to go = around=20 here:
 
1985 Saab 900 Turbo
3 door hatchback, 2.0L turbo with intercooler, car = has 90k on=20 it (just breaking in), new turbo at 50k miles, steady oil changes, = always=20 allowed to cool down before shutting engine off, black with red = interior=20 (needs headliner), sun roof, Alpine CD with EQ, Earthquake amp, Orion = speakers,=20 etc.  Inquire for more information.  $3500 with CD = system, $2500=20 without.
 
1972 Dodge Dart Swinger 340 clone
No engine or trans, some rust in drivers floor, = still good=20 looking though, relatively new quarter panels, ralley wheels, 8 3/4 = rear, setup=20 for small block motor but will EASILY take a 383/440 big block (original = plan=20 for me), interior is complete minus headliner.  Biege paint with = Bee Stripe=20 across trunk and quarters. No title but is obtainable through VA = DMV. =20 $500/firm
 
Computer stuff
(4) Digital 133 PCs w/64 MB ram, 875MB HD, CD-ROM, = internal=20 sound, on-board video. Y2K compatible.  KB/Mouse and Digital 17" = monitors.=20 All in excellent shape and ready to go.  Great for college kids, = etc. Make=20 a reasonable offer.
 
Pentium Pro 200 MHz PC/Server
128 MB ram,  4.3 GB SCSI, Adaptec SCSI = controller=20 w/BIOS,  Tyan Titan Pro motherboard (the best period), CD-ROM, KB, = MS=20 Mouse, Win95 or NT 4.0 WS, 17" monitor, Diamond Stealth Video w/4MB Vram = combined with Monster 3D graphics.  No sound.  Very powerful=20 workstation.  Tower case.  Make reasonable offer as = well.
 
Sorry about taking up the bandwidth.  Tell = anyone you=20 know about this stuff... we need it to go!
Call or e-mail:
zellto@XXXXXX
tzell@XXXXXX= rg
H (703) 931-9143
W (202) 274-8015
 
Thanks,
Tom
'86 VFR750
 
OK... moto content.... 1st Gen VFRs=20 rule!!!
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BEC420.A956FB00-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 08:22:35 1999 From: "Carver, John M, BGM" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Laughing Gods Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 08:22:12 -0400 Okay, I've been wondering while watching the threads about Linda's mishap and agree that little damage, if any, was done. However, I do have one outstanding question. If the clutch is engaged, how do you start it from a dead stop w/o lurching forward and having the engine die? Shifting gears makes sense w/o the clutch, but starting, that makes me go hmmmmmm. John 98 VFR with a hydraulic clutch (I am supposed to be on RT.50 right now on the way to OH, but I am chained to work, ARGG!) From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 09:20:13 1999 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 9:16 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Carver; John M; BGM" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:Laughing Gods I had a clutch problem with my VFR when I put the new 750 motor into it. A friend was helping me the work and, not knowing that the entire slave cylinder can be removed without breaking the clutch line free, removed the hydraulic line from the slave cylinder. Everything was well and good until I had to bleed that sucker... oh my God what a nightmare! In the middle of frustration though I decided that I was gonna ride this bike regardless of a working clutch so what I did was start the bike in neutral, roll it a little to get some momentum, rev the motor to about 3k rpm and then (with the look of "this can't possibly be good for the transmission") pushed it into first gear and took off. I rode the bike all over the neighborhood like that and was made just a little bit happier than I was. The next day I went out and bought stuff to help with the bleeding process but it still did not work. I ended up having to make my own Maguiver(?) type system to get the job done. Haven't touched it since. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Laughing Gods Author: jcarver@XXXXXX (Carver; John M; BGM) Date: 7/2/99 8:22 AM Okay, I've been wondering while watching the threads about Linda's mishap and agree that little damage, if any, was done. However, I do have one outstanding question. If the clutch is engaged, how do you start it from a dead stop w/o lurching forward and having the engine die? Shifting gears makes sense w/o the clutch, but starting, that makes me go hmmmmmm. John 98 VFR with a hydraulic clutch (I am supposed to be on RT.50 right now on the way to OH, but I am chained to work, ARGG!) From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 10:25:00 1999 From: "D. Thompson" To: "Thomas and Jeannette" , Subject: Re: non-moto.. Stuff for sale Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 10:25:07 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01A2_01BEC475.28378EE0 Hey Tom, if you don't get any resonable offers on your computers, you = could always donate them to the Technology Department at my school = (Liberty High School) for a good tax write-off. I know that won't help = you right NOW with the Firebird, but when tax time comes it can really = come in handy. Plus you can get a lot more value in write-off than in = selling. Just a thought. I am sending this to the list to let others know and remind them of the = need in public schools. :) Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..."=20 1 Samuel 2:30 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thomas and Jeannette=20 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ; grim500@XXXXXX=20 Sent: Friday, July 02, 1999 12:20 AM Subject: non-moto.. Stuff for sale Folks... I hate to bother the list with stuff for sale BUT I'm on the = hunt for a new 2000 Firebird Formula so a few things have to go around = here: 1985 Saab 900 Turbo 3 door hatchback, 2.0L turbo with intercooler, car has 90k on it (just = breaking in), new turbo at 50k miles, steady oil changes, always allowed = to cool down before shutting engine off, black with red interior (needs = headliner), sun roof, Alpine CD with EQ, Earthquake amp, Orion speakers, = etc. Inquire for more information. $3500 with CD system, $2500 = without. 1972 Dodge Dart Swinger 340 clone No engine or trans, some rust in drivers floor, still good looking = though, relatively new quarter panels, ralley wheels, 8 3/4 rear, setup = for small block motor but will EASILY take a 383/440 big block (original = plan for me), interior is complete minus headliner. Biege paint with = Bee Stripe across trunk and quarters. No title but is obtainable through = VA DMV. $500/firm Computer stuff (4) Digital 133 PCs w/64 MB ram, 875MB HD, CD-ROM, internal sound, = on-board video. Y2K compatible. KB/Mouse and Digital 17" monitors. All = in excellent shape and ready to go. Great for college kids, etc. Make a = reasonable offer. Pentium Pro 200 MHz PC/Server 128 MB ram, 4.3 GB SCSI, Adaptec SCSI controller w/BIOS, Tyan Titan = Pro motherboard (the best period), CD-ROM, KB, MS Mouse, Win95 or NT 4.0 = WS, 17" monitor, Diamond Stealth Video w/4MB Vram combined with Monster = 3D graphics. No sound. Very powerful workstation. Tower case. Make = reasonable offer as well. Sorry about taking up the bandwidth. Tell anyone you know about this = stuff... we need it to go! Call or e-mail: zellto@XXXXXX tzell@XXXXXX H (703) 931-9143 W (202) 274-8015 Thanks, Tom '86 VFR750=20 OK... moto content.... 1st Gen VFRs rule!!! ------=_NextPart_000_01A2_01BEC475.28378EE0
Hey Tom, if you don't get any resonable = offers on=20 your computers, you could always donate them to the Technology = Department at my=20 school (Liberty High School) for a good tax write-off. I know that won't = help=20 you right NOW with the Firebird, but when tax time comes it can really = come in=20 handy. Plus you can get a lot more value in write-off than in selling. = Just a=20 thought.
 
I am sending this to the list to let = others know=20 and remind them of the need in public schools. :)
 
Danny
'99 VFR
"...Those who honor me, I will honor,..."=20
           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;   =20 1 Samuel 2:30
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Thomas=20 and Jeannette
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ; grim500@XXXXXX
Sent: Friday, July 02, 1999 = 12:20=20 AM
Subject: non-moto.. Stuff for = sale

Folks... I hate to bother the list with stuff for = sale BUT=20 I'm on the hunt for a new 2000 Firebird Formula so a few things have = to go=20 around here:
 
1985 Saab 900 Turbo
3 door hatchback, 2.0L turbo with intercooler, car = has 90k=20 on it (just breaking in), new turbo at 50k miles, steady oil changes, = always=20 allowed to cool down before shutting engine off, black with red = interior=20 (needs headliner), sun roof, Alpine CD with EQ, Earthquake amp, Orion=20 speakers, etc.  Inquire for more information.  $3500 = with CD=20 system, $2500 without.
 
1972 Dodge Dart Swinger 340 clone
No engine or trans, some rust in drivers floor, = still good=20 looking though, relatively new quarter panels, ralley wheels, 8 3/4 = rear,=20 setup for small block motor but will EASILY take a 383/440 big block = (original=20 plan for me), interior is complete minus headliner.  Biege paint = with Bee=20 Stripe across trunk and quarters. No title but is obtainable through = VA=20 DMV.  $500/firm
 
Computer stuff
(4) Digital 133 PCs w/64 MB ram, 875MB HD, CD-ROM, = internal=20 sound, on-board video. Y2K compatible.  KB/Mouse and Digital 17"=20 monitors. All in excellent shape and ready to go.  Great for = college=20 kids, etc. Make a reasonable offer.
 
Pentium Pro 200 MHz PC/Server
128 MB ram,  4.3 GB SCSI, Adaptec SCSI = controller=20 w/BIOS,  Tyan Titan Pro motherboard (the best period), CD-ROM, = KB, MS=20 Mouse, Win95 or NT 4.0 WS, 17" monitor, Diamond Stealth Video w/4MB = Vram=20 combined with Monster 3D graphics.  No sound.  Very powerful = workstation.  Tower case.  Make reasonable offer as=20 well.
 
Sorry about taking up the bandwidth.  Tell = anyone you=20 know about this stuff... we need it to go!
Call or e-mail:
zellto@XXXXXX
tzell@XXXXXX= rg
H (703) 931-9143
W (202) 274-8015
 
Thanks,
Tom
'86 VFR750
 
OK... moto content.... 1st Gen VFRs=20 rule!!!
------=_NextPart_000_01A2_01BEC475.28378EE0-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 10:34:54 1999 From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Friday funnies Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 10:28:50 -0400 Occassionally, the Navy Safety Office sends out these "Summary of Mishaps" to show us how stupid some people can get. The office writes these with a macabre humor in an attempt to get Navy and Marine Corps personnel to read it. The style works, because everyone wants to read it. These deal with military personnel, but are applicable to all of us. As the summer heats up, motorcyclists appear in this list quite often. Here's the first one of the summer. I also added another non-moto one, because I could see it happen. Mitch Holmes 1986 Honda Magna Lieutenant, U.S. Navy _________________ "PEELING THE ONION" IS A TERM OF ART WE USE A LOT AROUND HERE. IT REFERS TO THE FACT THAT THINGS ARE SELDOM WHAT THEY SEEM AT FIRST GLANCE. HERE'S AN EXAMPLE: > A 29-YEAR OLD SAILOR LOST CONTROL AND CRASHED HIS NEW MOTORCYCLE. HE > CRUSHED HIS LEG, TRANSECTED A COUPLE OF VITAL NERVES AND MAY BE > PERMANENTLY CRIPPLED AS A RESULT. PAINFUL, YES. TRAGIC, CERTAINLY, BUT > NOT UNCOMMON. > NOW LET'S LOOK A LITTLE DEEPER - LET'S PEEL THIS ONION. LAYER ONE: POLICE REPORT SAYS, ALTHOUGH HIS BIKE WAS A 1999 MODEL, THE FRONT TIRE WAS BADLY WORN. THIS NEGLECT OF PROPER MAINTENANCE, IN COMBINATION WITH HIS EXCESSIVE SPEED, MAY HAVE CAUSED THE SHAKING THAT CULMINATED IN THE CRASH. LAYER TWO: HE HAD NO MOTORCYCLE ENDORSEMENT ON HIS LICENSE. NOT THAT IT WOULD HAVE MADE MUCH DIFFERENCE, SEEING AS HOW HIS LICENSE HAD BEEN SUSPENDED BY THE CALIFORNIA DMV. > LAYER THREE: HE FAILED TO ATTEND MANDATORY MOTORCYCLE TRAINING > REQUIRED BY THE NAVY. > > LAYER FOUR: HE ACTIVELY SOUGHT TO CIRCUMVENT THE SYSTEM BY PARKING > HIS BIKE OFF-BASE AND WALKING THROUGH THE GATE TO WORK. > > LAYER FIVE: HE'D BEEN DOING THIS FOR THREE YEARS. > SO, HOW DO YOU END UP AFTER ONE OF THESE THEORETICAL ONION PEELS? > WELL, YOU END UP THINKING, "SHAME ON THIS PETTY OFFICER FOR PUTTING > HIMSELF ABOVE CIVIL LAW AND MILITARY REGULATIONS; SHAME ON HIM FOR > VIOLATING ALL THE RULES DESIGNED BY THE STATE AND BY THE NAVY TO ASSURE > HIS SAFETY." AND, "SHAME ON ALL HIS SHIPMATES WHO KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING, > KNEW THAT IT WAS WRONG, AND ACTIVELY CHOSE TO DO NOTHING TO PROTECT HIM > FROM HIMSELF." > > BUT MOSTLY, YOU END UP THINKING THESE THEORETICAL ONION PEELS ARE A LOT > LIKE THE REAL THING: THEY BOTH LEAVE YOU WITH TEARS IN YOUR EYES. > OK, here's a "funnier" one. > F. FINALLY, THIS THOUGHT. IT MUST BE AWFUL, LYING ON YOUR BACK IN > SICKBAY, WITH YOUR LEGS UP IN TRACTION, SCREAMING FOR ANOTHER ICE PACK, > WHEN THE THOUGHT SUDDENLY FLASHES THROUGH YOUR MIND THAT NOT ONLY IS YOUR > MOST RECENT INDISCRETION GOING TO PUT YOU IN THE FRIDAY FUNNIES, BUT > YOU'RE GOING TO BE THE KICKER, THE ZINGER, THE ONE EVERY BODY IS TALKING > ABOUT AROUND THE COFFEE POT ON MONDAY MORNING. WELL, LANCE CORPORAL, > WELCOME TO YOUR FIFTEEN MINUTES OF FAME. > * THE OBJECT OF THE MISSION WAS BOLT CUTTERS. AND NOT > JUST ANY BOLT CUTTERS, MIND YOU, BUT THOSE BOLT CUTTERS; THE ONES HANGING > WAY UP ON THE WALL OF THE TOOL ROOM ^ THE ONES YOU REALLY NEEDED A LADDER > IN ORDER TO FETCH SAFELY. BUT HEY, WHO'S GOT TIME FOR SAFETY? WHEN THE > GUNNY WANTS BOLT CUTTERS, HE WANTS THEM YESTERDAY. > CLEARLY, THE QUICKEST WAY TO GET THE BOLT CUTTERS WAS TO CLIMB UP ON ONE > OF THOSE BIG EMBARK BOXES ARRAYED ALONG THE WALL OVER THERE, PICK THEM OFF > THEIR HOOK, HOP DOWN, AND DELIVER THEM TO THE CUSTOMER. EASY. > AND THAT'S JUST WHAT THE LANCE CORPORAL DID. ALMOST. > ACTUALLY, HE ONLY COMPLETED STEPS ONE AND TWO BECAUSE, JUST > AS HE CLIMBED UP ON THE TOP OF THE BOX, PLUCKED THE BOLT CUTTERS FROM > THEIR HIGH MOUNT AND TURNED TO HOP DOWN, THE TOP OF THAT BIG EMBARK BOX > CAVED IN. AND HE FELL. > BUT HE DIDN'T FALL FAR. > NO, NEVER EVEN HIT THE GROUND ACTUALLY, WHAT WITH ONE LEG > INSIDE THE BOX AND THE OTHER LEG OUTSIDE THE BOX AND, WHAT WITH THE BOX > BEING TALLER THAN THIS GUY'S LEGS WERE LONG, HE JUST SORT OF TEETERED > THERE - ASTRIDE THAT PLYWOOD KNIFE-EDGE - WITH ALL HIS WEIGHT CRUSHING > DOWN ON HIS MOST TENDER, MOST NETHERMOST PARTS. > 2. HEY, FOURTH OF JULY! FIRST BIG HOLIDAY OF THE SUMMER COMING UP. ENJOY > IT, BUT LET'S BE REAL CAREFUL OUT THERE. GO EASY ON THE BOOZE, GET LOTS > OF REST BEFORE YOU DRIVE, STAY ALERT FOR LOONS WHO DON'T HAVE THE BENEFIT > OF THESE BI-WEEKLY BRIEFINGS, LOOK BEFORE YOU LEAP, WEAR YOUR SEAT BELTS > AND YOUR LIFE PRESERVERS AND BE BACK HERE NEXT TIME, AS OUR ADVENTURE > CONTINUES. > TAKE CARE OF ONE ANOTHER. WE'LL SEE YOU SOON.// > BT > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 11:35:28 1999 From: djones@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: NIRC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 15:11:38 -0400 Subject: Any Rides This Weekend? Thanks, DJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 11:54:21 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 11:53:47 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Great MC demo game..... ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/vfr-list/chs2000demo.exe ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org The author will not be held responsible for anything he says. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 11:56:32 1999 Date: 2 Jul 1999 08:56:25 -0700 X-Sent: 2 Jul 1999 15:56:25 GMT Content-Disposition: inline To: djones@XXXXXX From: Kirt Senser Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Any Rides This Weekend? X-Sent-From: ksenser.erols.com@XXXXXX On Thu, 01 July 1999, djones@XXXXXX wrote: > > Thanks, DJ Always looking for rides... let me know if you find anything. Hobbes CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 12:00:27 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 12:00:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: re: Great MC demo game..... I should have said a bit more about it, but my itchy 'send' trigger got the best of me. This is the Castrol Honda Superbike 2000 game. Best played with a voodoo2 card, but compatible with other 3d systems (and perhaps non-3d). Very realistic. ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/vfr-list/chs2000demo.exe ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 12:20:20 1999 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:54:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Schmoe To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Any Rides This Weekend? Only me riding your wife when you head out > -----Original Message----- > From: djones@XXXXXX [mailto:djones@XXXXXX] > > > Thanks, DJ > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 12:25:17 1999 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 99 12:21:04 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: RE: Any Rides This Weekend? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, djones@XXXXXX, Mwalker3@XXXXXX Mark, more than welcome to join, as is everyone. DJ: ride this saturday, 200+ miles, meet at the old country buffet in Manassas(on business 234 south in shopping center with gian and barnes and noble) at 8:30 for breakfast, 9:30 kickstands up. First gas at ~90 miles, so any VTR's better be full;-) greg --- On Thu, 1 Jul 1999 15:11:38 -0400 djones@XXXXXX wrote: >Thanks, DJ > > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/2/99 HSTA/AMA 12:21:04 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 12:30:51 1999 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 99 12:27:25 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: re: Great MC demo game..... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Troutman How does it compare to the EA world Superbike game? That's the most realistic one I've seen, and I've even found it a little useful in real life, gives a great feel for what changing the suspension does.. thanks, greg --- On Fri, 02 Jul 1999 12:00:20 -0400 Troutman wrote: >I should have said a bit more about it, but my itchy 'send' trigger got the >best of me. This is the Castrol Honda Superbike 2000 game. Best played >with a voodoo2 card, but compatible with other 3d systems (and perhaps non-3d). > >Very realistic. > >ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/vfr-list/chs2000demo.exe > > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/2/99 HSTA/AMA 12:27:25 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 12:49:42 1999 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 12:48:22 -0400 Subject: re: Great MC demo game..... To: Greg Sachs Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I've heard that it doesn't compare well to EA Superbike. I think that EA SB is still supposed to be the best out there for the PC. (It's not out for consoles) FWIW, I've heard rumors of a couple of racing games coming out in the fall that will blow EA SB away. Don't believe it till you see it though. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 p.s. EA Superbike is supposedly a real system hog. How does it compare to the EA world Superbike game? That's the most realistic one I've seen, and I've even found it a little useful in real life, gives a great feel for what changing the suspension does.. thanks, ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 13:03:10 1999 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 99 12:57:25 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: re: Great MC demo game..... To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- On Fri, 02 Jul 1999 12:48:22 -0400 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: >I've heard that it doesn't compare well to EA Superbike. I think that EA SB >is still supposed to be the best out there for the PC. (It's not out for >consoles) FWIW, I've heard rumors of a couple of racing games coming out in >the fall that will blow EA SB away. Don't believe it till you see it >though. > >Chris Weaver >'98 VTR 1000 > >p.s. EA Superbike is supposedly a real system hog. haven't found it too bad, as long as I don't do a full field with 40 riders-I run full detail levels, and 16 bikes, on a p-266MMX with a 3dfx. 40 mb memory. Runs very well, exceot for I'm still bad at it. But it is great for playing with stoppies-turn down the front suspension, and braking gets really interesting. Wheelie really easily too, as you might imagine with 180 hp. And highsides. lots of highsides. Other one that looks good is the one that is coming from motosims, the AMA sim. have to see about that one. greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/2/99 HSTA/AMA 12:57:25 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 14:07:05 1999 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 14:04:24 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ges6@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Subject: re: Great MC demo game..... -Reply Content-Disposition: inline Mac riders, don't bother. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 14:17:44 1999 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 14:17:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Hey there, could use some help.. Okay, You guys have been great about most questions asked, so I have an offer, and hopefully its not insulting to anyone :) I dont know if I went into the saga of my 97 katana 600, but Collin helped me get it back from some guy's parking lot after he up and bailed (after buying it) and didn't pay me any money. So far so good. I dont have the key for it anymore. The bike is salvage rebuilt, and there's no way to tell where the bike was originally sold. Apparently, there's a key code stamped on the bottom of the ignition, but the Katanas are held in by some sort of funky star-shaped bolt - it is NOT an allen bolt, not metric, not standard. I dont even know what these are called. To make things worse, I destroyed my car's rotors, pads, and power steering at summit point last weekend. So it's not really driveable. I have my room-mate's old junker, but I don't trust that car to take me anywhere >10 miles away. If anyone who lives in the Sterling/Ashburn area is willing to help me take the damn ignition lock off (I also know jack SQUAT about working on bikes, which is why I'm asking) I will: 1. Pay for your gas 2. Buy you a case of your favorite beverage 3. Take you out to Tuesday's or Outback for your time I really want to get _A_ running vehicle this weekend. Locksmiths are quoting me like $150 to come out here and "try" to make a key impression ( I know it wont work - one guy already came out, tried for 2 hrs, and was nice enough to not charge me). I hope I'm not asking for too much. I know everyone is busy this 4th weekend. I'm just kinda SOL ATM :( Thanks, Alex. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 14:18:42 1999 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 14:18 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX" , "ges6@XXXXXX" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:re: Great MC demo game..... Not on mine it isn't... Pentium II 450 128MB ram 16MB AGP 3DFX... etc, etc. Tom '86 VFR750 aka Halflife Addict ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: re: Great MC demo game..... Author: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: 7/2/99 12:48 PM p.s. EA Superbike is supposedly a real system hog. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 14:46:04 1999 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 14:44:45 +0000 From: Jon Schumer Subject: Re: Hey there, could use some help.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-priority: Normal > I dont have the key for it anymore. The bike is salvage rebuilt, > and there's no way to tell where the bike was originally sold. > Apparently, there's a key code stamped on the bottom of the > ignition, but the Katanas are held in by some sort of funky > star-shaped bolt - it is NOT an allen bolt, not metric, not standard. > I dont even know what these are called. Torx bolts > To make things worse, I destroyed my car's rotors, pads, and > power steering at summit point last weekend. So it's not really > driveable. I have my room-mate's old junker, but I don't trust > that car to take me anywhere >10 miles away. Uh, racing will do that to a car. 8^) I don't live near you or I'd help, but you can buy torx sockets at any auto store or Sears. If you're just removing the ignition to get a key code, you won't need anything but the right size torx socket. Jon From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 21:43:45 1999 From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, McKeithen@XXXXXX Subject: Winchester Indian Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 21:43:07 -0400 I bought my Enfield from Winchester Indian. Carl and Dana are good people, and they put on a good party too. Their open house was a lot of fun. I only wish I didn't live 60 miles from there. A refreshing experience. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling Bob wrote... Called Winchester Indian... I had been looking for a shop to call " home". I think I may have found it. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 22:52:59 1999 X-Originating-IP: [209.122.246.120] From: DAN KENNEY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sunday ride Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 19:52:26 PDT Any body want to ride Sunday. Planning a southern MD ( loosely organized)ride. Dan Kenney Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 23:18:04 1999 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" , Subject: RE: Winchester Indian Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 23:16:44 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Well, I live 10 minutes from them. While they don't have much for my FJ1100 or TL100R, they do have a good selection of leather jackets (just got a new one from them), and cleaning supplies, etc. They seemed very helpful. They will get my business when I can give it to them. > -----Original Message----- > From: Crishock, Richard M, BGM [mailto:rcrishock@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, July 02, 1999 9:43 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; McKeithen@XXXXXX > Subject: Winchester Indian > > > I bought my Enfield from Winchester Indian. Carl and Dana are > good people, > and they put on a good party too. Their open house was a lot of fun. I > only wish I didn't live 60 miles from there. A refreshing experience. > > Rich > '78 Triumph Bonneville > '99 Enfield Bullet > Sterling > > > > Bob wrote... > > Called Winchester Indian... > > I had been > looking for a shop to call " home". I think I may have found it. > From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 3 12:17:01 1999 X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 12:19:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: lisa Goddard Subject: digest Please switch me to digest. Thanks! From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 3 17:36:19 1999 From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Small rewards!! (Jottings from my cave) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 17:34:57 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_150C_01BEC57A.5E98B260 About noon today I retreated to my cave for a weather sitout. A musing: Reward A. Up first thing this morning for chores, among them being a = long overdue bike wash and cleanup: I'm not a showbiker, but I find = peace of mind in dedirting my stock machine every few months. So spent = a couple of hours in the (relative) cool tree shade with potions and = rags. Came out looking pretty sparkly, If I do say. =20 Anyway, this is a labor of love for me as the before/after difference = isn't that pronounced on this recent bike and my expectations of any = applause are nil. =20 So -- I'm back to the middle of town and just finished parking to run a = last errand when a messenger type comes bicycling down the sidewalk. = He's looking at the bike, looking at the bike, looking at the bike. He = pulls up to me and says "Gee, great bike. What year is it?" I tell = him. He says "Wow. It really looks great" and he goes over to get a = closer look. I continue on with a HUGE helmet-hidden grin, marveling = about timing, thinking his comments all the better because the bike is = in the shade, seeing as how 99% of the comments I get on my midcruiser = are "Hey, is that a Harley?", and know that my next wet & buff will be = much sooner than the last. =20 Reward B. On that same errand I'm coming back to the bike and crossing = 19th Street when I look down (checking surface traction, of course) and = there is a small pager unit, obviously lost (and beeping). I look = around, no one, I rescue it from the hazards of the street. Ten minutes = later I'm on the phone to Metrocall, and it turns out they offer a $15 = reward for pager returns, for which I arrange (by mail, tho they promote = carryin). I say I hope they will try to contact the user asap so their = Fourth weekend isn't retched upon by this crucial loss. =20 Back to sipping cool and catching up on 'stuff'. Crazy me I'm on the = bike tomorrow. =20 Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Thank you Bill for a cool, quiet afternoon Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_150C_01BEC57A.5E98B260
About noon today I retreated to my cave = for a=20 weather sitout.  A musing:
 
Reward A.  Up first thing this = morning for=20 chores, among them being a long overdue bike wash and cleanup:  I'm = not a=20 showbiker, but I find peace of mind in dedirting my stock machine every = few=20 months.  So spent a couple of hours in the (relative) cool tree = shade with=20 potions and rags.  Came out looking pretty sparkly, If I do = say. =20
 
Anyway, this is a labor of love for me = as the=20 before/after difference isn't that pronounced on this recent bike and my = expectations of any applause are nil. 
 
So -- I'm back to the middle of town = and just=20 finished parking to run a last errand when a messenger type comes = bicycling down=20 the sidewalk.  He's looking at the bike, looking at the bike, = looking at=20 the bike.  He pulls up to me and says "Gee, great bike.  = What=20 year is it?"  I tell him.  He says "Wow.  It = really=20 looks great"  and he goes over to get a closer look.  I = continue=20 on with a HUGE helmet-hidden grin, marveling about timing, thinking his = comments=20 all the better because the bike is in the shade, seeing as how 99% of = the=20 comments I get on my midcruiser are "Hey, is that a Harley?", = and know=20 that my next wet & buff will be much sooner than the last. =20
 
 
Reward B.  On that same errand I'm = coming back=20 to the bike and crossing 19th Street when I look down (checking surface=20 traction, of course) and there is a small pager unit, obviously lost = (and=20 beeping).  I look around, no one, I rescue it from the hazards of = the=20 street.  Ten minutes later I'm on the phone to Metrocall, and it = turns out=20 they offer a $15 reward for pager returns, for which I arrange (by mail, = tho=20 they promote carryin).  I say I hope they will try to contact the = user asap=20 so their Fourth weekend isn't retched upon by this crucial loss. =20
 
 
Back to sipping cool and catching up on = 'stuff'.  Crazy me I'm on the bike tomorrow. 
 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 = VN750 --> Thank=20 you Bill for a cool, quiet afternoon
Join the AMA.  Help protect = my=20 riding fun.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_150C_01BEC57A.5E98B260-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 3 18:14:30 1999 Date: Sat, 3 Jul 99 18:09:51 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: Ride today To: Dc Cycles Unfortunately not many showed(to say the least, but the ride was really nice I think. Grant on his SV, Mark on his vfr 800, myself, and Keith on a Fj1200 did about 300 miles today, had fun. Got a bit of rain on skyline and on 211 heading to 522, but otherwise great, if hot weather. Too bad more didn't make it. I'll probably do another ride Aug ???, whatever the first saturday is. Greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/3/99 HSTA/AMA 6:09:51 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 3 21:32:31 1999 From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Cellphone bans Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 21:31:24 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1577_01BEC59B.66CBFD40 >From the New York Times today -- "BROOKLYN, Ohio -- It is illegal to drive while talking on a cell phone = in this Cleveland suburb, the only place in America with such a ban. = ..." And it goes on into much detail. Apparently a phoner rearended an = elderly motorist at a red light, fueling the law. NHTSA says some = countries have a ban. (And previously we found out NYC forbids taxi = drivers cellphone use.) =20 Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Homes in on telephone booths Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_1577_01BEC59B.66CBFD40
From the New York Times = today=20 --
 
"BROOKLYN, Ohio -- = It is illegal=20 to drive while talking on a cell phone in this Cleveland suburb, the = only place=20 in America with such a ban. ..."  And it goes on into much=20 detail.  Apparently a phoner rearended an elderly motorist at a red = light,=20 fueling the law.  NHTSA says some countries have a ban.  (And=20 previously we found out NYC forbids taxi drivers cellphone use.) =20
 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 = VN750 --> Homes=20 in on telephone booths
Join the AMA.  = Help protect my=20 riding fun.
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_1577_01BEC59B.66CBFD40-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 3 21:56:12 1999 From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: An unusual lesson here Fw: --Gregg's accident-- Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 21:55:05 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 >From the Vulcan list comes a lesson about a delayed accident discovery -- nobody knew he had taken a trip. (I'll be happy to forward condolences.) Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ...snip -----Original Message----- >then long and the short of things is as follows: > >Wed evening around 10PM Gregg was working on his bike just enjoyig himself >while waiting for his girlfriend ... Sometinme shortly after 10 he hopped >on his bike to give the new ignition a test. It was a humid evening and >working in the garage he was wearing only shorts and sneakers. Apparently he >was only "going for a quick spin" (as I'm sure many of us have said to >ourselves before ) so he only threw on a denim jacket over his bare chest and >no helmet. All that is know from then on is appx 1 mile from his home Gregg >hit a racoon in the road near a curve on a back road. He did not loose >control immediatelybut did go off the road at the curve into shoulder-high >cornfield , going over the handlebars while the bike went end over end. Some >time in the tumble the bike came down on Gregg's head, gashing it open and >causing brain hemorraging and slightly cracking 2 vertebra, also his wrist or >thumb is broken and there was severe impact to his chest, probably but >hitting the steering head on the way over the bars. >On top of his injuries noone knew Gregg was missing until his girlfriend came >home near midnight. After finding the lights in the garage on and the door >open and the bike gone, she knew something was amiss. It took [his girlfriend], >friends and family until nearly 6 AM the next morning to find Gregg. Due to >the angle he sliced into the cornfield, only a few cornstalks were knocked >and the crash site was barely visible. Add to that the rain that kicked in >shortly after midnight and finding him almost impossible. The search party >lead by [his girlfriend] split up to cover more ground. Fortunately, shortly after >dawn, Gregg's father saw a mirror on the side of the road and walked off into >the cornfield, finding Gregg nearly 8 hours after the crash. He was still >alive, but only barley. he was lifelined to . . . and is in currently in the Neuro-Critical Care Unit. the doctors >have relieved the swelling in his head and and he is on a respirator. One >of his lungs is partially collapsed and there is serious complications due to >the weather exposure. On the positive side,his heart and other abdominal >organs are functioning well, also they are intenionally keeping him sedated >for a number of reasons, including a world of pain. So in appx 72 hrs the >doctors will allow him to regain consciousness and take him out of CCU. >Gregg is a fighter and will regain consciousness. The only serious >complication aside from potential brain dammage, is his lungs. Greggs blood >oxygen saturation has been erratic. His lungs have not been working properly >taking oxygen into his blood due to trauma ,exposure to the weatherand and >one lung collapsed. --more-- He is 26 years old and recently quit a rock band a few years back and went back to college. ...snip True, he was foolish to ride as he did..and seeing him has driven reality home. I usually wear my helmet 90% of the time but I know now I will never throw my leg over the saddle without it again. Please send all your prayers, meditation, voodoo , ...snip Gregg is a very special person. One of the Good Guys. The world is a better place with him in it. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 3 22:14:19 1999 Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 22:13:35 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Accept-Language: en To: mobacc CC: Dc Cycles Subject: Re: Cellphone bans > mobacc wrote: > > From the New York Times today -- > > "BROOKLYN, Ohio -- It is illegal to drive while talking on a cell > phone in this Cleveland suburb, the only place in America with such a > ban. ..." Good Deal! But sadly, I can hear the opposition now: "Wait a minute. Big Brother should not be telling me when I can and can't use a cellphone. I should have the RIGHT TO CHOOSE. I should have FREEDOM OF CHOICE. The neck support provided by cradling a cellphone next to my head helps support my neck in the event of a collision. This law will make NECK INJURIES far more likely." I'm sure I'm forgetting some part of that tired old party line. :) (Drip, drip, that is sarcasm you hear) Bravo to Brooklyn, Ohio! I think it's a good law. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 3 23:28:29 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 23:28:15 -0400 To: Dale Horstman From: Mike T Subject: Re: Cellphone bans Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Big Brother would be telling us that the phone ban is necessary. I would be claiming freedom of choice..... As a responsible cel phone user (in the car - dial at lights, pay attention to the road) I would find it intrusive for the government to ban my use of the phone. HOWEVER - I have seen too many cagers unable to coordinate driving and the cel phone - so I negate my own libertarian opinion..... At 10:13 PM 7/3/99 , Dale Horstman wrote: >> mobacc wrote: >> >> From the New York Times today -- >> >> "BROOKLYN, Ohio -- It is illegal to drive while talking on a cell >> phone in this Cleveland suburb, the only place in America with such a >> ban. ..." > >Good Deal! But sadly, I can hear the opposition now: > >"Wait a minute. Big Brother should not be telling me when I can >and can't use a cellphone. I should have the RIGHT TO CHOOSE. >I should have FREEDOM OF CHOICE. The neck support provided by >cradling a cellphone next to my head helps support my neck in >the event of a collision. This law will make NECK INJURIES far >more likely." I'm sure I'm forgetting some part of that tired >old party line. :) _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 3 23:39:38 1999 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Cellphone bans Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 23:38:28 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Okay, let's see how many accidents there are when people just start slamming on their brakes and pulling to the shoulder to answer the phone. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike T [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Saturday, July 03, 1999 11:28 PM > To: Dale Horstman > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Cellphone bans > > > Big Brother would be telling us that the phone ban is necessary. I would > be claiming freedom of choice..... > > As a responsible cel phone user (in the car - dial at lights, pay > attention > to the road) I would find it intrusive for the government to ban my use of > the phone. HOWEVER - I have seen too many cagers unable to coordinate > driving and the cel phone - so I negate my own libertarian opinion..... > > At 10:13 PM 7/3/99 , Dale Horstman wrote: > >> mobacc wrote: > >> > >> From the New York Times today -- > >> > >> "BROOKLYN, Ohio -- It is illegal to drive while talking on a cell > >> phone in this Cleveland suburb, the only place in America with such a > >> ban. ..." > > > >Good Deal! But sadly, I can hear the opposition now: > > > >"Wait a minute. Big Brother should not be telling me when I can > >and can't use a cellphone. I should have the RIGHT TO CHOOSE. > >I should have FREEDOM OF CHOICE. The neck support provided by > >cradling a cellphone next to my head helps support my neck in > >the event of a collision. This law will make NECK INJURIES far > >more likely." I'm sure I'm forgetting some part of that tired > >old party line. :) > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 4 21:44:14 1999 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 21:43:52 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Accept-Language: en To: Gary Foreman CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Cellphone bans Gary Foreman wrote: > > Okay, let's see how many accidents there are when people just start slamming > on their brakes and pulling to the shoulder to answer the phone. Yep, I always get a kick out of folks who absolutely can't stand to let a phone ring. Like it's the end of the world if they miss a call. If it's important, they'll call back. :) Horkster, resident grumpy hightech hater. -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 5 05:36:53 1999 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Laughing Gods Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 05:35:00 -0700 >If the clutch is engaged, how do you start it from a >dead stop w/o lurching forward My experience: you don't - it lurches >and having the engine die? Judicious application of throttle (WFO) - cutting back after the lurching stage OTOH - even more fun is a busted clutch cable on a kick start only bike :-( Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 5 19:50:27 1999 From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Off-road AMA Notice Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 19:49:55 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I got the following letter from the AMA. As I'm not a Prince William county resident, I thought I would post it to the list. Dear AMA Member: This message is intended for members who reside in Prince William County, Virginia. If you don't live in the county, we apologize. If you do, please share with you friends who ride but don't belong. Many of you will be familiar with recent efforts in the county that would have limited your right to ride a trail bike or an ATV on your own property. These have been stopped for now. And thanks to a new group in the county, the Prince William Off Road Coalition (PWORC), the debate has moved on to the next level! Imagine for a moment that the county has decided that your recreational needs are legitimate and that they want to provide a legal opportunity. Now pinch yourself! Yes, you are awake and this can be a reality. But only if every enthusiast is involved. If riding a trail bike or an ATV is important to you, your family, your children and your friends, you need to be involved in this new effort. The PWORC will be meeting on July 8, 7:30pm at the Prince of Peace United Methodist Church, 6299 Token Forest Drive (Prince William Parkway to Hoady Road. Turn onto Purcell Road a the first light, make an immediate right onto Token Forest, the church will be on your right). If you can't attend but want to be involved, please call John Meyer (evenings) at 791-2334. John is trying to assemble leadership in every corner of the county. I truly hope you can become involved in this important effort. Sincerely, Eric J. Lundquist, Esq. Senior Legislative Affairs Specialist Government Relation Department elundquist@XXXXXX 614.856.1900 x1225 www.ama-cycle.org LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (58K miles and counting...) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 06:57:40 1999 From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Cc: "'mike@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Laughing Gods Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 06:56:46 -0400 Michael J. wrote... > >OTOH - even more fun is a busted clutch cable on a kick start only bike :-( > Yep yep. There's no stopping us now. Rich <- been known to lane split and deliberately run red lights in desperate situations like the above. '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 09:17:04 1999 From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Gary Foreman" cc: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:07:23 -0400 Subject: RE: Cellphone bans Content-Disposition: inline I personally feel that people who need to be on the phone at all times have a problem. I mean, GOD, in addition to driving while on the phone, do you have to GROCERY SHOP on the phone!!?? - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 09:40:33 1999 From: "Suazo, Tony" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Cell phone bans Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:39:15 -0400 As the technology becomes affordable and available, this may prove to be a moot point. New cellular phones already provide for speaker phone use. If you add in voice recognition, already available from local phone companies, you're 90% there. The last piece would be voice activation of the phone, and you would have a completely hands free phone system. My question is, "How much was spent for legislation of a soon to be archaic law which could have been spent on something like education?". How can we turn this into a motorcycle related topic? When will the helmets with built in phone systems be offered? Of course, I'd hate to forget to turn the phone system off and receive a call in the middle of a turn on 211. Tony CBR600 F3 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 10:01:38 1999 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 10:02:04 -0400 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "DC Cycles" , "Suazo, Tony" Subject: RE: Cell phone bans ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Suazo, Tony" Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:39:15 -0400 >As the technology becomes affordable and available, this may prove to >be a moot point. New cellular phones already provide for speaker phone >use. If you add in voice recognition, already available from local >phone companies, you're 90% there. Tony, I still think there is a danger that the driver/phone user could still not be paying as much attention to driving. Ever turn down the radio in your car when you are looking for a hard-to-find street address? Why is that? :) Ever try to talk on the phone in a noisy room, or a busy office? It's hard, because there are so many distractions around. You have to really concentrate on the phone call and tune out your environment to really be able to listen to the call. Well, driving is a distraction, too. Some drivers tune out rather than pull over. Anyway, I'm sure some drivers are pretty capable of handling a phone call and a steering wheel at the same time. Some drivers are capable of handling a car in excess of 150 mph safely, too. Neither one should be allowed to do that on our public roads, though. Regards, Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 10:28:21 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 10:28:10 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Heat Warning and A/C First of all.... Severe Weather Alert ...EXCESSIVE HEAT WARNING FOR TODAY... TEMPERATURES THIS AFTERNOON WILL REACH 100 TO 105 DEGREES.THESE TEMPERATURES WILL COMBINE WITH HIGH HUMIDITY TO PRODUCE HEAT INDICIES AROUND 115 DEGREES. This from the Yahoo weather pages. Now...since it was too hot to wear my jacket today, I was thinking about bike A/C. Anyone ever tried it? Small A/C compressor pumping cool air through a tube into your jacket / leathers / jumpsuit. It wouldn't take much to keep you cool on days like this..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 10:42:48 1999 Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 8:41 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:Cellphone bans X-Attachments: body.htm --=_sb1999/07/06-12-42-27-371=_sb Yay!!! Way to go Brooklyn, Ohio! Tom <---- can't stand cellular drivers '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Cellphone bans Author: mobacc@XXXXXX Date: 7/3/99 9:31 PM >From the New York Times today -- "BROOKLYN, Ohio -- It is illegal to drive while talking on a cell phone in this Cleveland suburb, the only place in America with such a ban. ..." And it goes o n into much detail. Apparently a phoner rearended an elderly motorist at a red light, fueling the law. NHTSA says some countries have a ban. (And previously we found out NYC forbids taxi drivers cellphone use.) Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Homes in on telephone booths Join the AMA. 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Anyone ever tried it? Small A/C compressor pumping cool air through a tube into your jacket / leathers / jumpsuit. It wouldn't take much to keep you cool on days like this..... >> Is this something that is actually available? Never heard of it. Sounds like a good idea to me. More info please. :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 10:48:32 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 10:48:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C At 10:43 AM 7/6/99 , ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >Is this something that is actually available? Never heard of it. Sounds >like a good idea to me. More info please. :-) This is a bit more of a dream than a reality, but I don't see why it wouldn't be doable. I will start my quest for small a/c compressors today.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 11:05:32 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 11:04:40 -0400 To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C At 10:28 AM 7/6/99 , Troutman wrote: >Severe Weather Alert > ...EXCESSIVE HEAT WARNING FOR TODAY... Good thing I rode today! Next question is whether or not to try the Aerostich on the way home. With the summer windscreen dumping air down the jacket and inflating it, with sleeves open and ducting air in, and with a wet bandanna around my neck it might be okay long enough to get home. >Now...since it was too hot to wear my jacket today, I was thinking about >bike A/C. Anyone ever tried it? Small A/C compressor pumping cool air >through a tube into your jacket / leathers / jumpsuit. It wouldn't take >much to keep you cool on days like this..... I think running an A/C compressor off the bike would be the biggest challenge. You could pump ice-chilled water through a tube-vest for as long as the ice holds out. There's wet vests, ice-pack vests, phase-change vests (kind of like ice-pack vests), air-cooled vests (military), and battery-powered chilled liquid vests (military & contaminated-environment) The question is how much do you want to spend! Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 11:13:45 1999 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Heat Warning and A/C Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 08:12:59 -0700 It's already been done... look into the personal cooling systems used by Nascar and Formula 1 drivers.... Don't know how big the compressor is though. It also cools the helmet. Basically, it flows chilled fluid through tubes sewn into their racing suits. Brian > -----Original Message----- > > This is a bit more of a dream than a reality, but I don't see why it > wouldn't be doable. I will start my quest for small a/c > compressors today.... > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 11:20:06 1999 From: "Ken" To: , "Troutman" Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:17:46 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Well actually NASCAR tried something similar once, pumping water through = a cool suit, with the intention of keeping the driver cool. = Unfortunately even with the scoop diverting air through the excganger = the water in the suit ended up boiling and scalding the driver. = Ouuuch!!!!!! (Still waiting for his bike to be done at the shop ;(....) Ken S. ICQ# 32289311 HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Troutman To: Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 10:28 AM Subject: Heat Warning and A/C > First of all.... >=20 > Severe Weather Alert=20 >=20 > ...EXCESSIVE HEAT WARNING FOR TODAY... TEMPERATURES THIS AFTERNOON = WILL > REACH 100 TO 105 DEGREES.THESE TEMPERATURES WILL COMBINE WITH HIGH = HUMIDITY > TO PRODUCE HEAT INDICIES AROUND 115 DEGREES.=20 >=20 > This from the Yahoo weather pages. >=20 > Now...since it was too hot to wear my jacket today, I was thinking = about > bike A/C. Anyone ever tried it? Small A/C compressor pumping cool = air > through a tube into your jacket / leathers / jumpsuit. It wouldn't = take > much to keep you cool on days like this..... >=20 > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman=20 > http://www.troutman.org >=20 > '97 Honda VFR 750 >=20 >=20 >=20 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 11:20:31 1999 From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:20:06 EDT Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX yeah! this might actually get me into leathers when it's this hot instead of riding around like an idiot with nothing but a 3/4 helmet and some fingerless gloves :D Marcy In a message dated 7/6/99 10:51:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX writes: << << Now...since it was too hot to wear my jacket today, I was thinking about bike A/C. Anyone ever tried it? Small A/C compressor pumping cool air through a tube into your jacket / leathers / jumpsuit. It wouldn't take much to keep you cool on days like this..... >> Is this something that is actually available? Never heard of it. Sounds like a good idea to me. More info please. :-) >> From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 11:25:52 1999 From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:24:16 EDT Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/6/99 10:53:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: << This is a bit more of a dream than a reality, but I don't see why it wouldn't be doable. I will start my quest for small a/c compressors today.... >> I have a small window fan in my house: it has two fans side-by-side and is constructed so that one side "accordions" so you can fit it tightly across the width of the window sill and then you pull the window itself down until it rests on top of the fan - it basically makes a sort of lame seal ... but then you can set both fans to blow air either in or out or in opposite of same directions ... at any rate, in addition it has a "comfort control" knob that allows you to set the airflow to "cooler" and it does actually get colder - I'm not sure how as I can't see any kind of unit to provide cooling (the whole thing just plugs into the wall) but I wonder if something similar couldn't be hooked up to a bike battery ... the brand is Holmes marcy From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 11:26:51 1999 From: "Ken" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: You just have to love Northern Virginia Yuppies.( VERY Long about Patriot HD) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:23:45 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 On a personal note, I thought the place stank of a bunch of used car = salesman, anc couldnt give a hoot, but I thought this was funny. Harley noise prompts council rumblings=20 City to consider revoking permit for dealership=20 By ROBERT WHITE=20 Journal staff writer=20 Pressured by resident complaints about motorcycle noise, Fairfax City = officials this week moved closer to revoking the zoning permit for the = city's 3-month-old Harley Davidson dealership.=20 Taking away Patriot Harley Davidson's special-use permit, as the City = Council could do after a hearing next month, would put the shop out of = business.=20 Council members said they do not plan to take the issue that far, but = they agreed Tuesday night to start the revocation process to make clear = to owner Robert C. DeHaven that he needs to do something to tone down = the noise.=20 "The intent is not to close the shop down or to harm the business in any = way," Councilman Rob Lederer said. "The intent is to preserve the = quality of life for the surrounding residential communities."=20 DeHaven reacted angrily to the decision, saying he has followed all = conditions of the special-use permit granted by the City Council last = May. He acknowledged the store generates noise, but asserted that should = be expected from a shop that sells and repairs motorcycles.=20 A major bone of contention is the noise and traffic generated by = motorcycle rallies, such as the annual Memorial Day "Rolling Thunder" = event, in which thousands of Harley riders descend upon the Vietnam = Veterans Memorial in downtown Washington. Patriot Harley Davidson played = host to local riders for the May 30 caravan.=20 The shop, which opened in March on a three-acre site on Lee Highway near = Fairfax Circle, also held a grand opening festival Saturday, drawing = Harley enthusiasts from across Northern Virginia. Residents complained = that parked motorcycles lined the streets from the shop to Fairfax High = School, a half-mile away.=20 "We don't want someone to turn Fairfax City into a mecca for cyclists = from all over the region," said Carl Hemmer, a former council member who = lives in the Great Oaks neighborhood behind the shop. "[DeHaven] is = trying to build Nissan Pavilion East in the middle of Fairfax City."=20 Neighbors have lodged dozens of complaints with council members, and = several spoke out against the shop at Tuesday's council meeting. In = response, the council voted 5-0 to begin the process of revoking = DeHaven's permit.=20 To get approval for his 20,000-square-foot shop, DeHaven agreed to hold = no more than six rallies a year, restrict the store's hours of = operations and build about $100,000 of ancillary improvements in the = area, including a pedestrian bridge over a nearby creek.=20 DeHaven, a lifelong Harley rider who in 1981 founded Quality Systems = Inc., a Fairfax high-technology firm, said the city's actions are = puzzling because the motorcycle shop has never been accused of violating = the terms of the agreement.=20 "You'd think there'd be some due process here, where they inform you = that you're in violation [of the permit] and say, `You either cure this = or we're going to revoke your permit,'" he said. "I've never been cited = for being in violation of anything."=20 DeHaven has 10 days to protest Tuesday's decision and said he will do = so. An appeal would lead to a July 27 public hearing before the council. = Council members said they hope to work out a solution to the noise = problem before then. Several of them said yesterday they will ask = DeHaven to find another site to stage rallies or consider limiting him = to just one or two events a year.=20 "What I would like to see is curtailing the noise and the number of = rallies and open houses that he intends to hold," said Councilman Scott = Silverthorne, who strongly supported the Harley shop last year as part = of the city's redevelopment of the Lee Highway area.=20 "Six [rallies] a year is a lot. They have the big one on Memorial Day, = and I'm not so certain they need more than that."=20 DeHaven said he understands the noise concerns but does not favor = reducing the number of rallies, which he said are an integral part of = any Harley Davidson dealership.=20 "Not only are they typical, they are mandated by the motor company," he = said. "You have to be able to do some of these things."=20 Saturday's grand opening, which featured live music and free food, = raised more than $16,000 for charity, DeHaven said.=20 "We're being good corporate neighbors," he added.=20 The shop is one of only a handful of Harley Davidson dealerships in the = Washington area.=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- Ken S. ICQ# 32289311 HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 11:31:20 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 11:25:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Cool Vests, etc. Here's some cool vest info, etc. I've gathered over the years. The products from Wright Safety and ILC Dover look pretty nice, at a reasonable price. Canadian military, air-cooling vest http://www.dciem.dnd.ca/DCIEM/Fact-Sheets/General/G-13.html The Vegas Vest (water-soaked) http://homepage.usr.com/e/edwarvel/ (link not currently working) Phase-change vest ($250-400) http://www.wrightsafety.com/showcase/thermalwear/ Ice Pak vest ($209), Ice-chilled water circulated ($285) http://www.ilcdover.com/Industry/Safety/coolvest.htm Misty Mate, water mister ($20-50) http://www.mistymate.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 11:34:45 1999 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:34:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The joy of locks, part 2 Well, brian was kind enough to come over this weekend, and have a look at my bike. I can tell you folks one thing: Suzuki's anti-theft bolts _SUCK_. I really fail to see the logic behind these things. I mean, if someone's going to steal the bike, theyre not going to waste time removing your ignition - theyre going to pop the steering lock, and throw it into a van/ pickup. At any rate, these bastards are break-away bolts, so the only way to get them out is to drill them out. I have a drill, but I dont have one of the "easy-out" tools (the ones that you shove down the hole so you can remove the bolt). Even better, the bolts that hold my clip-ons in place are seized/fused (not sure what you call it when crap builds up on em). I'm going to douse them with WD-40 tonight, and hope that tommorow they are semi-cooperative. Yes, yes, WD-40 isn't a lubricant, its a penatrating oil, but thats what I need.. to get the gunk off. Anyway. With the clip-ons removed, I'll try to take the ignition to Cycle Sport (still attached to the top triple clamp), and bite the $20 bullet to have them drill that crap out. Joy. Alex. P.S. Thanks again brian! Appreciate the help! From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 11:40:24 1999 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:40:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C On Tue, 6 Jul 1999 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > yeah! this might actually get me into leathers when it's this hot instead of > riding around like an idiot with nothing but a 3/4 helmet and some fingerless > gloves :D > > Marcy I bet you get odd looks from your neighbors. "Damnit, bob, avert your eyes! Marcy Godiva is riding again!" Alex. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 11:54:41 1999 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: The joy of locks, part 2 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 08:54:30 -0700 > -----Original Message----- : Suzuki's anti-theft > bolts _SUCK_. They're not bad as long as you have the right tool and someone before you didn't strip them (we had both against us) > At any rate, these bastards are break-away bolts, so the only > way to get > them out is to drill them out. I have a drill, but I dont > have one of the > "easy-out" tools (the ones that you shove down the hole so > you can remove > the bolt). Your friendly Sears has a set of them for $10.. :P Be careful though, they're brittle. > Anyway. With the clip-ons removed, I'll try to take the ignition to > Cycle Sport (still attached to the top triple clamp), and bite the $20 > bullet to have them drill that crap out. Take them the entire thing... they shouldn't care one way or another. I must say though... the bolts on that bike felt like Collin (who I think is lurking) tightened them... Gorilla boy thinks every bolt should be tightened to creaking point... ugh. Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 12:01:09 1999 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 12:02:06 -0400 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" , "Ken" Subject: Re: Northern Virginia Yuppies ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Ken" Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:23:45 -0400 >On a personal note, I thought the place stank of a bunch of used car >salesman, anc couldnt give a hoot, but I thought this was funny. >Harley noise prompts council rumblings > > >City to consider revoking permit for dealership Part of me wants to cheer because the "Loud Pipes Save Lives" crowd is really hurting themselves here by threatening the existence of a new Dealership. Bikes that are annoyingly loud cause problems just like this. But another part of me is troubled by this. Would the genteel residents of Fairfax object if Coleman Posersports just up the road put on a similar rally? Is the issue really noise, or is it having us "dirty bikers" seen everywhere? Horkster, worried a little bit -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 12:09:58 1999 From: "Ken" To: , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: Northern Virginia Yuppies Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 12:05:51 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Dale, thats what scares me too, its not going to matter whether its Loud = pipes on Harleys , or sqids blipping the throttle waiting at = intersections, the Fairfax Volvo crowd isnt going to like anyhting that = disturbs their concept of idyllic suburban life....., Its not very = different than the earlier post about being able to ride ATV's on your = own property in down in Prince William. =20 Ken S. ICQ# 32289311 HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV > But another part of me is troubled by this. Would the genteel > residents of Fairfax object if Coleman Posersports just up the=20 > road put on a similar rally? Is the issue really noise, or is > it having us "dirty bikers" seen everywhere? >=20 > Horkster, worried a little bit From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 12:18:14 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 12:18:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Harley Dealership in trouble The best thing to do here is to support this dealership any way you can. Start by contacting the very friendly Mayor Mason - http://www.ci.fairfax.va.us/council/mayor.html Let him know that you approve of the dealership, and give him a lot of reasons to support you and other bikers..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 12:22:48 1999 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:22:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Northern Virginia Yuppies To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Part of me wants to cheer because the "Loud Pipes Save Lives" > crowd is really hurting themselves here by threatening the > existence of a new Dealership. Bikes that are annoyingly loud > cause problems just like this. While I was up in Connecticut recently, I stopped by to visit my aunt. Her husband (but not my uncle... long story) asked me to explain why the motorcycles next door to them had to be so loud. I went out and took a look. Yep, straight pipe Harleys. I tried to explain to him about how some people feel that loud pipes save lives, and others (like myself) don't agree and think they ruin the image of motorcyclists. He kept saying, "Yeah, but why do they have to be so loud first thing in the morning?" Finally I told him that if it really gets bad and he is going to do something, not to complain about the motorcycles specifically, but to rather about the noise. I reminded him about how quiet mine was and told him that motorcycles aren't the problem; illegally loud pipes are, so be sure he doesn't get motorcycles banned (otherwise I'd never be able to visit them again). They live in a beautiful ocean community and I could just see them enacting a motorcycle ban there if the problem continues. Louis === Louis Caplan Alexandria, VA 1998 Kawasaki Concours 11th place, Capitol 1000 "Mean Green Scream Machine" Proud Sponsor of Joe Denton http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 12:31:53 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 12:31:38 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Harley Dealership - update If you want to support the dealership, try them directly : http://patriothd.com/ or email : PatriotHD@XXXXXX The City Council doesn't seem to have an email listing, but I believe the mayor serves on the council, so just email him directly..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 13:05:50 1999 Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 13:00:28 -0400 From: Larry Reynolds X-Accept-Language: en To: Ken CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: You just have to love Northern Virginia Yuppies.( VERY Long about Patriot HD) Ken wrote: > On a personal note, I thought the place stank of a bunch of used car salesman, anc couldnt give a hoot, but I thought this was funny. Harley noise prompts council rumblings Listers.. I feel I need to respond to Ken's letter in that my experiences their has never been short of pleasent. Every time I have visited Patriot, I have been treated with kindness and courtesy. An example.. I noticed that they had a Coke machine with no dollar changer. So I went up to the desk for change and they instead fliped me $.10 with a smile. Intially perplexed, I was told that Cokes were 10 cent (yup, 12 oz cans). Any questions asked by this newbie were answered with courtesy. I was given a nice tour of the place and the wrench gave me a very nice show of the dyno facility. The lounge is comfortable with a large format tv with a selection of biker videos for viewing. The place is clean and well stocked from my observation. There are at least two other HD dealers alot closer to where live, but I have no problem going over to Patriot. As for the noise problem, the Fairfax City Council members are being very unreasonable in their approach. While agree that the residents and shop owners have a legitimate gripe, its unreasonable to expect the store owner to control its customers actions out of his store. Maybe a little law enforcement would help here. I think, from my own observation there, if bikers would leave the parking lot with a little consideration and without accelerating like many do, it would help a lot. The Patriot customers shold be made aware of the situation and drive there with some consideration of the same I believe that if Patriot is forced to close from the action of the Fairfax City Council, we locals will lose a lot and all of us will lose a little.... Larry '99 1200 XLC From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 13:07:32 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 12:56:57 -0400 To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: You just have to love Northern Virginia Yuppies.( VERY Long about Patriot HD) >City to consider revoking permit for dealership > >By ROBERT WHITE >Journal staff writer > >Pressured by resident complaints about motorcycle noise, Fairfax City >officials this week moved closer to revoking the zoning permit for the >city's 3-month-old Harley Davidson dealership. And bikers with loud pipes will STILL fail to grasp that they hurt us all with their noise. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 13:07:33 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 13:01:49 -0400 To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Northern Virginia Yuppies At 12:02 PM 7/6/99 , Horkster wrote: >But another part of me is troubled by this. Would the genteel >residents of Fairfax object if Coleman Posersports just up the >road put on a similar rally? Is the issue really noise, or is >it having us "dirty bikers" seen everywhere? The noise makes them look, then they may or may not like what they see. Many people think all motorcycles are loud because the only ones that attract their attention is the loud ones. Whether they like the people or not, no one likes the continuous racket (unless they're part of it). Hell, I got tired of loud bikers on Memorial Day weekend. In front of our house ... back and forth, back and forth .. all day long. Why these people thought I shouldn't be allowed to talk with my wife while standing in my front yard is beyond me. Besides, any rally at Coleman would have signifcantly lower noise levels. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 13:07:55 1999 Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 13:04:38 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: Where to buy?? To: DC-Cycles X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal I heard that Banzai Motorsports has been sold recently and that the deep discounting they used to offer for mail-order is now a thing of the past. True? Anybody have a favorite mail-order house they use that are reliable and not very expensive? To give you an idea of what I'm looking for, I used to be able to buy a Honda-Line oil filter for $6 at Banzai. Please respond directly to me as I'm not on the list right now. Thanks. Todd From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 13:17:56 1999 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Heat Warning and A/C Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 10:17:31 -0700 I believe Arai had an A/C helmet about 8 - 10 years ago - it had a solid state heat pump that extracted heat from inside and routed it to a finned aluminum heat sink on top of the helmet. I saw one at Coleman's on display with a temp probe inside the helmet reading 55 degrees (showroom was in the mid 70s) Cost at the time was about $450 and it was somewhat heavy Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 13:40:54 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 13:39:00 -0400 To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Where to buy?? >Anybody have a favorite mail-order house they use that are reliable and not >very expensive? To give you an idea of what I'm looking for, I used to be >able to buy a Honda-Line oil filter for $6 at Banzai. I've been using Competition Accessories for accessories and BMW dealer parts. Overall, they've treated me okay. Dennis Kirk has some surprisingly good prices, or should I say that CA's prices have risen and DK's seem to have dropped. For Honda dealer items I've been going to MR Cycles in North Carolina, but I hear good things about Honda of Milpitas (that was on the ST1100 list so you may already know about them). yes, I still remember I have t-shirts at your place! Chris From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 14:04:02 1999 From: "Suazo, Tony" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Cell phone bans (final comments - couldn't help it) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 14:02:41 -0400 Dale, >I still think there is a danger that the driver/phone user could >still not be paying as much attention to driving. The only problem with driving with a cell phone in the car is using the little hand held devices that you need to hold to your ear because your forced to drive either one handed or to cradle it by kinking your neck. I've driven in cars with hands free units. There is no comparison. Using a speaker phone in your car is no different than having a conversation with a passenger's) sitting in your car. >You have to really concentrate on the phone call and tune out your environment to really be able to listen >to the call. Ever turn around to a group of people in your car all trying to give directions at the same time to tell them to "shut up"? >I'm sure some drivers are pretty capable of handling a >phone call and a steering wheel at the same time. Some drivers >are capable of handling a car in excess of 150 mph safely, too. >Neither one should be allowed to do that on our public roads, >though. Its too easy to say, "Let's ban this or that" because someone doesn't like something. Ban guns. Ban motorcycles. I don't belong to the NRA, but I do belong to the AMA. Both have the same argument. If you allow passage of legislation to restrict, you open the door for losing your privilege. Obviously, the associations will argue from the opposite extreme. The solution is usually somewhere in the middle. The problem is with the hand held units not the hands free units. Get rid of those like 2 stroke motorcycles, three wheel ATV's, and submachine guns. Sorry for the bandwidth. Slow work week. I promise these will be my final comments on this subject. Tony CBR600 F3 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 14:12:52 1999 Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 12:11 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:You just have to love Northern Virginia Yuppies.( VERY Lo This is complete and total bullshit brought to you by the grand folk that removed Disney from our future here. There are plenty of car dealerships that line Rt 50 in that area that I am sure generate a good amount of noise as well but you don't see them being hassled. And what's wrong with people getting together for a common cause? No rallies? Give me a freakin' break. Hell... if the shop closes we should have the entire list make it a point of holding a rallie in that lot every weekend! Another reason for me to stay clear of East Berlin.. I mean Fairfax City / Fairfax Cnty. Bring the shop to Arlington! With all the loud music coming from every yo-boy's car the shop would a) surely NOT be bothering any residents (how could they be bothered anymore) and b) bring the sweet rumble of American iron back to the county. Tom <--- ok... so I'm having a bad day '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: You just have to love Northern Virginia Yuppies.( VERY Long Author: shephar1@XXXXXX (Ken) Date: 7/6/99 11:23 AM On a personal note, I thought the place stank of a bunch of used car salesman, a nc couldnt give a hoot, but I thought this was funny. Harley noise prompts council rumblings City to consider revoking permit for dealership By ROBERT WHITE Journal staff writer Pressured by resident complaints about motorcycle noise, Fairfax City officials this week moved closer to revoking the zoning permit for the city's 3-month-old Harley Davidson dealership. Taking away Patriot Harley Davidson's special-use permit, as the City Council co uld do after a hearing next month, would put the shop out of business. Council members said they do not plan to take the issue that far, but they agree d Tuesday night to start the revocation process to make clear to owner Robert C. DeHaven that he needs to do something to tone down the noise. "The intent is not to close the shop down or to harm the business in any way," C ouncilman Rob Lederer said. "The intent is to preserve the quality of life for t he surrounding residential communities." DeHaven reacted angrily to the decision, saying he has followed all conditions o f the special-use permit granted by the City Council last May. He acknowledged t he store generates noise, but asserted that should be expected from a shop that sells and repairs motorcycles. A major bone of contention is the noise and traffic generated by motorcycle rall ies, such as the annual Memorial Day "Rolling Thunder" event, in which thousands of Harley riders descend upon the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in downtown Washing ton. Patriot Harley Davidson played host to local riders for the May 30 caravan. The shop, which opened in March on a three-acre site on Lee Highway near Fairfax Circle, also held a grand opening festival Saturday, drawing Harley enthusiasts from across Northern Virginia. Residents complained that parked motorcycles lin ed the streets from the shop to Fairfax High School, a half-mile away. "We don't want someone to turn Fairfax City into a mecca for cyclists from all o ver the region," said Carl Hemmer, a former council member who lives in the Grea t Oaks neighborhood behind the shop. "[DeHaven] is trying to build Nissan Pavili on East in the middle of Fairfax City." Neighbors have lodged dozens of complaints with council members, and several spo ke out against the shop at Tuesday's council meeting. In response, the council v oted 5-0 to begin the process of revoking DeHaven's permit. To get approval for his 20,000-square-foot shop, DeHaven agreed to hold no more than six rallies a year, restrict the store's hours of operations and build abou t $100,000 of ancillary improvements in the area, including a pedestrian bridge over a nearby creek. DeHaven, a lifelong Harley rider who in 1981 founded Quality Systems Inc., a Fai rfax high-technology firm, said the city's actions are puzzling because the moto rcycle shop has never been accused of violating the terms of the agreement. "You'd think there'd be some due process here, where they inform you that you're in violation [of the permit] and say, `You either cure this or we're going to r evoke your permit,'" he said. "I've never been cited for being in violation of a nything." DeHaven has 10 days to protest Tuesday's decision and said he will do so. An app eal would lead to a July 27 public hearing before the council. Council members said they hope to work out a solution to the noise problem befor e then. Several of them said yesterday they will ask DeHaven to find another sit e to stage rallies or consider limiting him to just one or two events a year. "What I would like to see is curtailing the noise and the number of rallies and open houses that he intends to hold," said Councilman Scott Silverthorne, who st rongly supported the Harley shop last year as part of the city's redevelopment o f the Lee Highway area. "Six [rallies] a year is a lot. They have the big one on Memorial Day, and I'm n ot so certain they need more than that." DeHaven said he understands the noise concerns but does not favor reducing the n umber of rallies, which he said are an integral part of any Harley Davidson deal ership. "Not only are they typical, they are mandated by the motor company," he said. "Y ou have to be able to do some of these things." Saturday's grand opening, which featured live music and free food, raised more t han $16,000 for charity, DeHaven said. "We're being good corporate neighbors," he added. The shop is one of only a handful of Harley Davidson dealerships in the Washingt on area. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken S. ICQ# 32289311 HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 15:08:55 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 15:07:30 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Mayor's response to Harley letter.... Cc: jfrankli@XXXXXX Added bonus - he cc'd all of the council members. >From: jmason@XXXXXX >X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.30.00.7 >Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 15:04:41 -0400 >To: >Cc: , , , > , , > , >Subject: RE: Harley Davidson Dealership > >Mike Troutman - > >Thank you for your note. It is important to understand that the Council >does perceive that the conditions associated with the Special Use Permit >(SUP) were violated. For example, one condition prohibited activities prior >to 9 am; the city has cited the dealership for violating this. > >Nevertheless, we are anxious to resolve the neighbors' concerns in a manner >that will be satisfactory to both the dealership and the neighbors. >Hopefully, this will be accomplished before the end of the month. > >John Mason >Mayor >City of Fairfax > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mike Troutman [mailto:mtroutma@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 12:23 PM >> To: John Mason >> Subject: Harley Davidson Dealership >> >> >> Mayor Mason - >> >> I am sure you aware that the City Council is debating whether or not to >> take away the zoning approval for the Harley Davidson dealership >> in Fairfax >> City. I am not a Harley Davidson rider, nor do I patronize that >> particular >> dealership, but I urge you to help this commercial enterprise to continue >> serving the public. The owner has stayed well within his limits, as >> imposed by the council. To now change the rules is completely unfair, and >> unjustified. >> >> All of the bikers that roll into town for service and rallies spend their >> money at local businesses - whether eating or just buying gasoline. Don't >> let the media's negative portrayal of bikers close this business. We >> aren't quite what the movies have us pegged as. >> >> _________________________________________ >> Michael J. Troutman >> Network Development Manager >> Wheat International Communications Corporation >> Reston, Virginia >> 703.262.9172 dir >> 703.262.9130 fax >> >> >> > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 15:10:23 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 15:07:36 -0400 To: "'DC Cycles'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Cell phone bans (final comments - couldn't help it) >The only problem with driving with a cell phone in the car is using the >little hand held devices that you need to hold to your ear because your >forced to drive either one handed or to cradle it by kinking your neck. >I've driven in cars with hands free units. There is no comparison. Using a >speaker phone in your car is no different than having a conversation with a >passenger's) sitting in your car. Except the passengers can see what's going on, and would expect you to ignore them at certain times (idiots involved in auto-follies ahead of you). The people on the other end of the phone conversation don't know that, and think they've lost touch with you. I've experienced this several times when driving a radio-dispatched car -- I'd have to drop the mike and steer around the obstacle(s) while listening to the dispatcher say "hello" ... "hello" ... "are you there?" Now imagine doing that with a customer or your boss on the line - sure it can be done, but there's a natural reluctance to do so. > >You have to really concentrate on the phone call and tune out your >environment to really be able to listen >to the call. > >Ever turn around to a group of people in your car all trying to give >directions at the same time to tell them to "shut up"? Sure. Ever done that to your boss on the phone, or a customer, or someone who doesn't know you're in your car (they can't see you, after all). >Its too easy to say, "Let's ban this or that" because someone doesn't like >something. Ban guns. Ban motorcycles. Quite right. The problem is two-fold -- getting people to realize they aren't perfect, and getting them to do something about it. So many people are causing so many problems by trying to talk on a phone and drive at the same time that other people want to restrict them. The proposed legislation wouldn't exist if cell phone drivers didn't cause problems. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 15:13:15 1999 From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 15:08:58 -0400 Subject: RE: Heat Warning and A/C Content-Disposition: inline I believe Arai had an A/C helmet about 8 - 10 years ago - it had a solid state heat pump that extracted heat from inside and routed it to a finned aluminum heat sink on top of the helmet. \ Yes I had a friend who put a deposit down on one and was never able to take delivery on it. Apparently they were never able to get the bugs worked out on the thing. Too bad since it was a "cool" idea. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 15:30:16 1999 From: "Suazo, Tony" To: "'jmason@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'PatriotHD@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" , "'Suazo, Lori (Work)'" Subject: Patriot Harley Davidson Dealership Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 15:12:15 -0400 Dear Mayor Mason, I recently found out that the council is planning to hold a hearing to determine whether or not to revoke the special use permit from Patriot Harley Davidson. I am surprised that the council would consider going to such extreme measures without perusing other alternatives. I am a resident of Vienna, and I am a motorcycling enthusiast. Although I do not own a Harley Davidson motorcycle, I am a member of the American Motorcyclist Association http://www.ama-cycle.org/, and I vote. I live in close proximity to the dealership, and I have noticed a larger volume of motorcycles in the area. I welcome this. I believe the presence of additional motorcycles in the neighborhood helps to increase car driver awareness of motorcycles. Since the opening of the dealership, I feel safer driving in my neighborhood and neighboring communities. I think that the noise level generated on a day by day basis would not be more excessive than the sounds of passing dump trucks or the roaring music from some passing vehicles. Living by Oakton High school, I would not think that these levels would be more than those generated by the Fairfax High School marching band or their sports announcement system. I'm sure that the day to day operation of the dealership is not the problem. It seems that the council is acting on complaints from rallies sponsored by the dealership which are only held a few times a year. The noise levels that are causing the complaints are coming from a small number of motorcycles with modified pipes. I'm certain that laws are already on the books that address acceptable noise levels generated by moving vehicles. I'm certain that these could be enforced by the Fairfax police. I'm certain that these citations would generate additional revenue for both the City of Fairfax and Fairfax County. And, I'm certain that this enforcement would reduce the number of violators as effectively as the cameras used to deter red light runners at nearby Fairfax Circle. Please do not take any action to revoke the special use permit from Patriot Harley Davidson until other alternatives to resolve the noise complaints have been exhausted. I thank you in advance for supporting the motorcycling community. Sincerely, Martin A. Suazo Vienna, VA From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 16:06:31 1999 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:06:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C I know how you feel. I wore my 1/2 shell for the first time in about 9 years. The wind noise sure does get loud when you're going over 45mph, but the peripheral vision benefits over a full face helmet are quite an eye opener. On Tue, 6 Jul 1999 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > yeah! this might actually get me into leathers when it's this hot instead of > riding around like an idiot with nothing but a 3/4 helmet and some fingerless > gloves :D > > Marcy ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 16:15:43 1999 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:15:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Northern Virginia Yuppies I would be more then happy to sign any petitiosns that would shut down Colemann Power Sport. Hell, they don't even have to hold a rally. Dirty Bikers? That wasn't dirt that was InstaDirt new from Revlon. On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Horkster wrote: > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Ken" > Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:23:45 -0400 > > >On a personal note, I thought the place stank of a bunch of used car > >salesman, anc couldnt give a hoot, but I thought this was funny. > >Harley noise prompts council rumblings > > > > > >City to consider revoking permit for dealership > > Part of me wants to cheer because the "Loud Pipes Save Lives" > crowd is really hurting themselves here by threatening the > existence of a new Dealership. Bikes that are annoyingly loud > cause problems just like this. > > But another part of me is troubled by this. Would the genteel > residents of Fairfax object if Coleman Posersports just up the > road put on a similar rally? Is the issue really noise, or is > it having us "dirty bikers" seen everywhere? > > Horkster, worried a little bit > > > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR > 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) > > "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet > sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." > - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 16:24:38 1999 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 15:59:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-9 X-Juno-Att: 0 From: Louis E Tweed I am looking for a small 12volt a/c unit to use with a motorcycle camping trailer. Any ideas? Someone told me that such a device was used or offered aftermarket for VW beetles but I have had no luck finding one. Louis >bike A/C. Anyone ever tried it? Small A/C compressor pumping cool >air >through a tube into your jacket / leathers / jumpsuit. It wouldn't >take >much to keep you cool on days like this..... > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 16:32:04 1999 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:31:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:You just have to love Northern Virginia Yuppies.( VERY Lo Wow, you actually want Disney? You must be having a bad day. I really doubt that car dealerships put out anywhere near as much noise as a bike dealership. On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Tom Zell wrote: > This is complete and total bullshit brought to you by the grand folk that > removed Disney from our future here. There are plenty of car dealerships that > line Rt 50 in that area that I am sure generate a good amount of noise as well > but you don't see them being hassled. > > And what's wrong with people getting together for a common cause? No rallies? > Give me a freakin' break. Hell... if the shop closes we should have the entire > list make it a point of holding a rallie in that lot every weekend! > > Another reason for me to stay clear of East Berlin.. I mean Fairfax City / > Fairfax Cnty. > > Bring the shop to Arlington! With all the loud music coming from every yo-boy's > car the shop would a) surely NOT be bothering any residents (how could they be > bothered anymore) and b) bring the sweet rumble of American iron back to the > county. > > Tom <--- ok... so I'm having a bad day > '86 VFR750 > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > Subject: You just have to love Northern Virginia Yuppies.( VERY Long > Author: shephar1@XXXXXX (Ken) > Date: 7/6/99 11:23 AM > > On a personal note, I thought the place stank of a bunch of used car salesman, a > nc couldnt give a hoot, but I thought this was funny. > Harley noise prompts council rumblings > > > City to consider revoking permit for dealership > > By ROBERT WHITE > Journal staff writer > > Pressured by resident complaints about motorcycle noise, Fairfax City officials > this week moved closer to revoking the zoning permit for the city's 3-month-old > Harley Davidson dealership. > > Taking away Patriot Harley Davidson's special-use permit, as the City Council co > uld do after a hearing next month, would put the shop out of business. > > Council members said they do not plan to take the issue that far, but they agree > d Tuesday night to start the revocation process to make clear to owner Robert C. > DeHaven that he needs to do something to tone down the noise. > > "The intent is not to close the shop down or to harm the business in any way," C > ouncilman Rob Lederer said. "The intent is to preserve the quality of life for t > he surrounding residential communities." > > DeHaven reacted angrily to the decision, saying he has followed all conditions o > f the special-use permit granted by the City Council last May. He acknowledged t > he store generates noise, but asserted that should be expected from a shop that > sells and repairs motorcycles. > > A major bone of contention is the noise and traffic generated by motorcycle rall > ies, such as the annual Memorial Day "Rolling Thunder" event, in which thousands > of Harley riders descend upon the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in downtown Washing > ton. Patriot Harley Davidson played host to local riders for the May 30 caravan. > > The shop, which opened in March on a three-acre site on Lee Highway near Fairfax > Circle, also held a grand opening festival Saturday, drawing Harley enthusiasts > from across Northern Virginia. Residents complained that parked motorcycles lin > ed the streets from the shop to Fairfax High School, a half-mile away. > > "We don't want someone to turn Fairfax City into a mecca for cyclists from all o > ver the region," said Carl Hemmer, a former council member who lives in the Grea > t Oaks neighborhood behind the shop. "[DeHaven] is trying to build Nissan Pavili > on East in the middle of Fairfax City." > > Neighbors have lodged dozens of complaints with council members, and several spo > ke out against the shop at Tuesday's council meeting. In response, the council v > oted 5-0 to begin the process of revoking DeHaven's permit. > > To get approval for his 20,000-square-foot shop, DeHaven agreed to hold no more > than six rallies a year, restrict the store's hours of operations and build abou > t $100,000 of ancillary improvements in the area, including a pedestrian bridge > over a nearby creek. > > DeHaven, a lifelong Harley rider who in 1981 founded Quality Systems Inc., a Fai > rfax high-technology firm, said the city's actions are puzzling because the moto > rcycle shop has never been accused of violating the terms of the agreement. > > "You'd think there'd be some due process here, where they inform you that you're > in violation [of the permit] and say, `You either cure this or we're going to r > evoke your permit,'" he said. "I've never been cited for being in violation of a > nything." > > DeHaven has 10 days to protest Tuesday's decision and said he will do so. An app > eal would lead to a July 27 public hearing before the council. > > Council members said they hope to work out a solution to the noise problem befor > e then. Several of them said yesterday they will ask DeHaven to find another sit > e to stage rallies or consider limiting him to just one or two events a year. > > "What I would like to see is curtailing the noise and the number of rallies and > open houses that he intends to hold," said Councilman Scott Silverthorne, who st > rongly supported the Harley shop last year as part of the city's redevelopment o > f the Lee Highway area. > > "Six [rallies] a year is a lot. They have the big one on Memorial Day, and I'm n > ot so certain they need more than that." > > DeHaven said he understands the noise concerns but does not favor reducing the n > umber of rallies, which he said are an integral part of any Harley Davidson deal > ership. > > "Not only are they typical, they are mandated by the motor company," he said. "Y > ou have to be able to do some of these things." > > Saturday's grand opening, which featured live music and free food, raised more t > han $16,000 for charity, DeHaven said. > > "We're being good corporate neighbors," he added. > > The shop is one of only a handful of Harley Davidson dealerships in the Washingt > on area. > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Ken S. > ICQ# 32289311 > HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger > HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager > kshephard@XXXXXX > 1996 XLH 1200 > Ride Safe > Inwood, WV > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 16:56:53 1999 X-Originating-IP: [206.229.31.22] Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman To: horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Northern Virginia Yuppies Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 13:56:14 PDT >From: "Horkster" >Part of me wants to cheer because the "Loud Pipes Save Lives" >crowd is really hurting themselves here by threatening the >existence of a new Dealership. Bikes that are annoyingly loud >cause problems just like this. > >But another part of me is troubled by this. Would the genteel >residents of Fairfax object if Coleman Posersports just up the >road put on a similar rally? Is the issue really noise, or is >it having us "dirty bikers" seen everywhere? > >Horkster, worried a little bit Don't worry about it. As was stated in the article, no one has accused him of violating the terms of the agreement that allowed him to get his dealership, it's just that as in the case of drivers using cell phones, there are unintended consequences of every action. Once such an unintended consequence shows, government finds it easier to ban the action which created the consequence rather than acting upon the problem. In other words, ban cell phones in cars rather than reckless driving. Ban the dealership rather than enforcing existing laws against disturbing the peace. Require helmets, seat belts and mandatory training so that government can afford to pick up the bill for injuries that individuals brought upon themselves through stupidity. Put up a sign indicating an additional $200 fine for speeding, rather than actually enforcing the limit. It is all of a piece. There should be few laws but they should be enforced vigorously. Leon. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 17:03:52 1999 Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 17:03:40 -0400 Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C From: "Charles L. Rosen" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX You could always try what I just saw in Madison WI. Shorts. Thats it. No shirt, no gloves, no shoes, no helmet. He was one of the "I live in the gym types". I guess all that bulked up muscle will protect your bones when you crash. (he was zipping along on a new ZX-9). Hope he or a friend never gets wheeled into my ER. -charles ---------- >From: Troutman >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C >Date: Tue, Jul 6, 1999, 10:48 AM > >At 10:43 AM 7/6/99 , ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >>Is this something that is actually available? Never heard of it. Sounds >>like a good idea to me. More info please. :-) > >This is a bit more of a dream than a reality, but I don't see why it >wouldn't be doable. I will start my quest for small a/c compressors today.... > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 17:11:53 1999 From: "Suazo, Tony" To: "'DC Cycles'" , "'Suazo, Lori (Home)'" Subject: FW: Patriot Harley Davidson Dealership (Reply from the Mayor) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:10:43 -0400 No shocking news. It appears that all fingers point to the dealership. Therefore, I can go to Hooter's down the street, get stupid drunk, make all the noise in the world in the parking lot, and Hooter's would get fined. Right? I'll call you from jail. Oh, well. At least I got a reply. Tony -----Original Message----- From: jmason@XXXXXX [mailto:jmason@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 4:40 PM To: SuazoT@XXXXXX Cc: sharchap@XXXXXX; lederer@XXXXXX; RSisson@XXXXXX; SSilverthorne@XXXXXX; GRasmussen@XXXXXX; JGreenfield@XXXXXX; TCoughlan@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Patriot Harley Davidson Dealership Martin Suazo - Thank you for your note. Please understand that the city has cited Patriot Harley Davidson for violation(s) of the special use permit (SUP) and city code (noise ordinance). The city has a legal obligation to ensure conformance with these requirements. We are working with Bob DeHaven, the adjacent neighbors, and the staff to resolve the neighbors' concerns. I am hopeful that we will develop a solution before July 27. John Mason Mayor City of Fairfax From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 18:01:12 1999 From: "George Howell" To: "S