From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 1 01:04:39 1999 From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 01:03:46 EDT Subject: Good deal in latest Want Ad Weekly... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Someone's advertising a '98 Bandit 1200 with 2.3k on the odo for $5250!!! Wow. -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 1 10:48:47 1999 From: "Vas Majer" To: Subject: (SP) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:47:21 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 > comacozie(sp?) > kamikaze Mnemonic: "Kawasaki". From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 1 10:54:42 1999 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 10:52:15 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Good deal in latest Want Ad Weekly... -Reply Content-Disposition: inline Hope it's still "wow" after someone looks at it. Unlike the $2500 FJ1100 "in great shape" I looked at in Leesburg for a friend that featured two bald tires, a slipping clutch, bad carburetion, next-to-no front brake, and broom-painted bodywork. Joe >>> - 7/1/99 1:03 AM >>> Someone's advertising a '98 Bandit 1200 with 2.3k on the odo for $5250!!! Wow. -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 1 11:05:23 1999 From: "George Howell" To: "Ursulina Viteri" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: ?? about $$ for carb work Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 11:01:00 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > $210 to remove carbs, clean, reseal, adjust, and replace. He says he'll > have to keep the bike for a few days. How does that price and time frame > sound? > > Also, would this be called a "carb cleaning" or "carb rebuilding"? What's > the difference? Not sure what that would be... To give you a data point: for the older (four banger) Wings, rebuilding the carbs (replacing all needles, jets, gaskets, and o-rings) costs around $750-$1000. That's four CV carbs, and they are relatively easy to remove. So, either he isn't doing that much work, he's giving you the parts for less than free, or there's less labor involved. (Oh, the shops could also be ripping off people who ride old Wings:) BTW, the cheapest I've seen for a complete needle/jet/seal kit for Wings is $117 for a set of four.) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 1 12:27:04 1999 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Fighting For Your Lane Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:25:57 -0400 Yesterday's comments re the ST1100 & the SUV reminded me of a recent incident. June 17 four of us were slabbing down I 81 in the rain ;^( to NC :^). I was in the left lane biding my time as the truck ahead of me crept by another truck. The cager on my right began to nooge into my lane so I pulled ahead a tad in case his peripheral vision is really bad. He's still nooging me so I blip the air horns (the longest ones that Pep Boys sells). Nooger retreats. Later, the rider behind me said the cager hit his roof when the horns went off. :^D But, don't rely solely on sound to goose cagers - be sure they can see you so hopefully, they'll jump the other way. Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capitol since 1981 through rain, sun, and snow, but no ice! '85 VF700S "Rocin-ahorito" '80 GS450E "Caballoante"; FOM #3, AMA 676120; FOO/FOP; OGM #008; FMOENMC #0002 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 1 12:49:16 1999 From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Subject: mouth power Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 07:32:25 -0400 Great story! Funny how we get so used to talking (and other things) inside our helmets and tend to think that no one can ever hear us. Here's another one... I'm riding the Triumph to my weekend night [I was in college] job, and the motor sputters, so I switch to reserve. That was the night I discovered that my petcocks were bodged by a DPO, and I had no reserve. I only had about a mile to get to work, and there were a lot of hills on this road, so I thought I could roller coaster at least some of the way. So I'm rolling along with the (usually loud) engine off and with my visor open, when I see headlights very close behind me. Then I notice that the car is matching my speed, which can't be more than 15 miles an hour at the tops of the hills. It's making me nervous, and I yell, "What the f*** do you want!?" The answer comes over the police car PA system, "Run out of gas?" I say, "Uh... yeah." He then turns onto a side road, and leaves me to my roller coasting. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling Jeannette wrote... LOL!! Here's another story: Same basic thing, I was riding in the right lane of 495 'cause my exit was coming up...a blonde in some muscle car, without even turning her head an inch, decides to come into my lane from the right. I yelled, "AHHHH". She had her window open and heard me....finally turned her head!!!...and stopped coming into my lane. Sometimes the mouth works wonders. I think it's a lot louder than my horn. ; ) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 1 21:11:46 1999 From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 21:07:34 EDT Subject: Tires,dealers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cb-750@XXXXXX, I recently purchased a set of Michlin radials for my Night Hawk. I didn't have the time nor inclination to mount them myself so I thought I would call a couple of places to have that done. Loudoun Motorsport in Leesburg said I needed to call about two weeks ahead. Said thanks, but no thanks. Shenandoah Honda in Winchester said they could do it the next day, but when they heard the tires had been purchased mail order they said they wouldn't mount them because of "liability" . Called Winchester Indian. They said sure bring the bike over Thursday AM. When I arrived they were pouring concrete at the rear of shop making it impossible to get anything in. Seems theyhad forgotten the concrete deal when they made the appointment. No problem says the owner as he tossed me the keys to a Triumph 900 Legend. Bring it back Friday night or Saturday morning and put as many miles as you need to on it. The bottom line-- Since I bought my bike used from a private party I had been looking for a shop to call " home". I think I may have found it. Bob McKeithen From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 1 21:52:45 1999 From: JimJacks@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 21:50:52 EDT Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/01/99 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX That reminds ME of a story! The other day I got on my ultra fast and ultra sleek best bike in the world with every conceivable option I could find in my tee shirt and shorts...oh no...wait...in my full leathers, and I donned the helmet I got a great deal on , luckily I had recently hired the perfect shop to do all of my maintenence work and they did it for a reasonable cost, you know this was my sportbike, not my harley, becauee I like to be regarded as popular so I bought both to make sure I have all of the bases covered, and I still wave to "the other" group (except police officers, we all now know they rarely wave but sometimes do) anyhow the dyno said 130hp, and my tires both match and my clutch cable is stretched but not broken (only foreplay), and I picked the best rout ever, 1.6 miles this way and 2.something that, and some of it was dirt, which I wasnt aware of because I dont have my GPS that I ordered mail order (its the best way to go) yet but unfortunately some cage driver? (did I get that right?) cut me off and then almost hit me coming the other way (ok, maybe it was a different cage) and then some gas guzzling SUV was lane splitting (the Infinity logo was situated directly above the yellow lines, but I outran him like I do the cops (I hope there are no cops on here) and I couldnt wait to get back to my computer (a 327mh 250 somthing with a BIG ....hard drive? and realy fast telephone stuff...and a tv ...anyhow...) and write it all down for you guys! What fun! Does anyone know where I can get those cool neon lights inside my fairings? - l o l From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 00:13:52 1999 From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: , Subject: non-moto.. Stuff for sale Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 00:20:17 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BEC420.A956FB00 Folks... I hate to bother the list with stuff for sale BUT I'm on the = hunt for a new 2000 Firebird Formula so a few things have to go around = here: 1985 Saab 900 Turbo 3 door hatchback, 2.0L turbo with intercooler, car has 90k on it (just = breaking in), new turbo at 50k miles, steady oil changes, always allowed = to cool down before shutting engine off, black with red interior (needs = headliner), sun roof, Alpine CD with EQ, Earthquake amp, Orion speakers, = etc. Inquire for more information. $3500 with CD system, $2500 = without. 1972 Dodge Dart Swinger 340 clone No engine or trans, some rust in drivers floor, still good looking = though, relatively new quarter panels, ralley wheels, 8 3/4 rear, setup = for small block motor but will EASILY take a 383/440 big block (original = plan for me), interior is complete minus headliner. Biege paint with = Bee Stripe across trunk and quarters. No title but is obtainable through = VA DMV. $500/firm Computer stuff (4) Digital 133 PCs w/64 MB ram, 875MB HD, CD-ROM, internal sound, = on-board video. Y2K compatible. KB/Mouse and Digital 17" monitors. All = in excellent shape and ready to go. Great for college kids, etc. Make a = reasonable offer. Pentium Pro 200 MHz PC/Server 128 MB ram, 4.3 GB SCSI, Adaptec SCSI controller w/BIOS, Tyan Titan = Pro motherboard (the best period), CD-ROM, KB, MS Mouse, Win95 or NT 4.0 = WS, 17" monitor, Diamond Stealth Video w/4MB Vram combined with Monster = 3D graphics. No sound. Very powerful workstation. Tower case. Make = reasonable offer as well. Sorry about taking up the bandwidth. Tell anyone you know about this = stuff... we need it to go! Call or e-mail: zellto@XXXXXX tzell@XXXXXX H (703) 931-9143 W (202) 274-8015 Thanks, Tom '86 VFR750=20 OK... moto content.... 1st Gen VFRs rule!!! ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BEC420.A956FB00
Folks... I hate to bother the list with stuff for = sale BUT I'm=20 on the hunt for a new 2000 Firebird Formula so a few things have to go = around=20 here:
 
1985 Saab 900 Turbo
3 door hatchback, 2.0L turbo with intercooler, car = has 90k on=20 it (just breaking in), new turbo at 50k miles, steady oil changes, = always=20 allowed to cool down before shutting engine off, black with red = interior=20 (needs headliner), sun roof, Alpine CD with EQ, Earthquake amp, Orion = speakers,=20 etc.  Inquire for more information.  $3500 with CD = system, $2500=20 without.
 
1972 Dodge Dart Swinger 340 clone
No engine or trans, some rust in drivers floor, = still good=20 looking though, relatively new quarter panels, ralley wheels, 8 3/4 = rear, setup=20 for small block motor but will EASILY take a 383/440 big block (original = plan=20 for me), interior is complete minus headliner.  Biege paint with = Bee Stripe=20 across trunk and quarters. No title but is obtainable through VA = DMV. =20 $500/firm
 
Computer stuff
(4) Digital 133 PCs w/64 MB ram, 875MB HD, CD-ROM, = internal=20 sound, on-board video. Y2K compatible.  KB/Mouse and Digital 17" = monitors.=20 All in excellent shape and ready to go.  Great for college kids, = etc. Make=20 a reasonable offer.
 
Pentium Pro 200 MHz PC/Server
128 MB ram,  4.3 GB SCSI, Adaptec SCSI = controller=20 w/BIOS,  Tyan Titan Pro motherboard (the best period), CD-ROM, KB, = MS=20 Mouse, Win95 or NT 4.0 WS, 17" monitor, Diamond Stealth Video w/4MB Vram = combined with Monster 3D graphics.  No sound.  Very powerful=20 workstation.  Tower case.  Make reasonable offer as = well.
 
Sorry about taking up the bandwidth.  Tell = anyone you=20 know about this stuff... we need it to go!
Call or e-mail:
zellto@XXXXXX
tzell@XXXXXX= rg
H (703) 931-9143
W (202) 274-8015
 
Thanks,
Tom
'86 VFR750
 
OK... moto content.... 1st Gen VFRs=20 rule!!!
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BEC420.A956FB00-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 08:22:35 1999 From: "Carver, John M, BGM" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Laughing Gods Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 08:22:12 -0400 Okay, I've been wondering while watching the threads about Linda's mishap and agree that little damage, if any, was done. However, I do have one outstanding question. If the clutch is engaged, how do you start it from a dead stop w/o lurching forward and having the engine die? Shifting gears makes sense w/o the clutch, but starting, that makes me go hmmmmmm. John 98 VFR with a hydraulic clutch (I am supposed to be on RT.50 right now on the way to OH, but I am chained to work, ARGG!) From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 09:20:13 1999 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 9:16 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Carver; John M; BGM" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:Laughing Gods I had a clutch problem with my VFR when I put the new 750 motor into it. A friend was helping me the work and, not knowing that the entire slave cylinder can be removed without breaking the clutch line free, removed the hydraulic line from the slave cylinder. Everything was well and good until I had to bleed that sucker... oh my God what a nightmare! In the middle of frustration though I decided that I was gonna ride this bike regardless of a working clutch so what I did was start the bike in neutral, roll it a little to get some momentum, rev the motor to about 3k rpm and then (with the look of "this can't possibly be good for the transmission") pushed it into first gear and took off. I rode the bike all over the neighborhood like that and was made just a little bit happier than I was. The next day I went out and bought stuff to help with the bleeding process but it still did not work. I ended up having to make my own Maguiver(?) type system to get the job done. Haven't touched it since. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Laughing Gods Author: jcarver@XXXXXX (Carver; John M; BGM) Date: 7/2/99 8:22 AM Okay, I've been wondering while watching the threads about Linda's mishap and agree that little damage, if any, was done. However, I do have one outstanding question. If the clutch is engaged, how do you start it from a dead stop w/o lurching forward and having the engine die? Shifting gears makes sense w/o the clutch, but starting, that makes me go hmmmmmm. John 98 VFR with a hydraulic clutch (I am supposed to be on RT.50 right now on the way to OH, but I am chained to work, ARGG!) From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 10:25:00 1999 From: "D. Thompson" To: "Thomas and Jeannette" , Subject: Re: non-moto.. Stuff for sale Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 10:25:07 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01A2_01BEC475.28378EE0 Hey Tom, if you don't get any resonable offers on your computers, you = could always donate them to the Technology Department at my school = (Liberty High School) for a good tax write-off. I know that won't help = you right NOW with the Firebird, but when tax time comes it can really = come in handy. Plus you can get a lot more value in write-off than in = selling. Just a thought. I am sending this to the list to let others know and remind them of the = need in public schools. :) Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..."=20 1 Samuel 2:30 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thomas and Jeannette=20 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ; grim500@XXXXXX=20 Sent: Friday, July 02, 1999 12:20 AM Subject: non-moto.. Stuff for sale Folks... I hate to bother the list with stuff for sale BUT I'm on the = hunt for a new 2000 Firebird Formula so a few things have to go around = here: 1985 Saab 900 Turbo 3 door hatchback, 2.0L turbo with intercooler, car has 90k on it (just = breaking in), new turbo at 50k miles, steady oil changes, always allowed = to cool down before shutting engine off, black with red interior (needs = headliner), sun roof, Alpine CD with EQ, Earthquake amp, Orion speakers, = etc. Inquire for more information. $3500 with CD system, $2500 = without. 1972 Dodge Dart Swinger 340 clone No engine or trans, some rust in drivers floor, still good looking = though, relatively new quarter panels, ralley wheels, 8 3/4 rear, setup = for small block motor but will EASILY take a 383/440 big block (original = plan for me), interior is complete minus headliner. Biege paint with = Bee Stripe across trunk and quarters. No title but is obtainable through = VA DMV. $500/firm Computer stuff (4) Digital 133 PCs w/64 MB ram, 875MB HD, CD-ROM, internal sound, = on-board video. Y2K compatible. KB/Mouse and Digital 17" monitors. All = in excellent shape and ready to go. Great for college kids, etc. Make a = reasonable offer. Pentium Pro 200 MHz PC/Server 128 MB ram, 4.3 GB SCSI, Adaptec SCSI controller w/BIOS, Tyan Titan = Pro motherboard (the best period), CD-ROM, KB, MS Mouse, Win95 or NT 4.0 = WS, 17" monitor, Diamond Stealth Video w/4MB Vram combined with Monster = 3D graphics. No sound. Very powerful workstation. Tower case. Make = reasonable offer as well. Sorry about taking up the bandwidth. Tell anyone you know about this = stuff... we need it to go! Call or e-mail: zellto@XXXXXX tzell@XXXXXX H (703) 931-9143 W (202) 274-8015 Thanks, Tom '86 VFR750=20 OK... moto content.... 1st Gen VFRs rule!!! ------=_NextPart_000_01A2_01BEC475.28378EE0
Hey Tom, if you don't get any resonable = offers on=20 your computers, you could always donate them to the Technology = Department at my=20 school (Liberty High School) for a good tax write-off. I know that won't = help=20 you right NOW with the Firebird, but when tax time comes it can really = come in=20 handy. Plus you can get a lot more value in write-off than in selling. = Just a=20 thought.
 
I am sending this to the list to let = others know=20 and remind them of the need in public schools. :)
 
Danny
'99 VFR
"...Those who honor me, I will honor,..."=20
           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;   =20 1 Samuel 2:30
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Thomas=20 and Jeannette
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ; grim500@XXXXXX
Sent: Friday, July 02, 1999 = 12:20=20 AM
Subject: non-moto.. Stuff for = sale

Folks... I hate to bother the list with stuff for = sale BUT=20 I'm on the hunt for a new 2000 Firebird Formula so a few things have = to go=20 around here:
 
1985 Saab 900 Turbo
3 door hatchback, 2.0L turbo with intercooler, car = has 90k=20 on it (just breaking in), new turbo at 50k miles, steady oil changes, = always=20 allowed to cool down before shutting engine off, black with red = interior=20 (needs headliner), sun roof, Alpine CD with EQ, Earthquake amp, Orion=20 speakers, etc.  Inquire for more information.  $3500 = with CD=20 system, $2500 without.
 
1972 Dodge Dart Swinger 340 clone
No engine or trans, some rust in drivers floor, = still good=20 looking though, relatively new quarter panels, ralley wheels, 8 3/4 = rear,=20 setup for small block motor but will EASILY take a 383/440 big block = (original=20 plan for me), interior is complete minus headliner.  Biege paint = with Bee=20 Stripe across trunk and quarters. No title but is obtainable through = VA=20 DMV.  $500/firm
 
Computer stuff
(4) Digital 133 PCs w/64 MB ram, 875MB HD, CD-ROM, = internal=20 sound, on-board video. Y2K compatible.  KB/Mouse and Digital 17"=20 monitors. All in excellent shape and ready to go.  Great for = college=20 kids, etc. Make a reasonable offer.
 
Pentium Pro 200 MHz PC/Server
128 MB ram,  4.3 GB SCSI, Adaptec SCSI = controller=20 w/BIOS,  Tyan Titan Pro motherboard (the best period), CD-ROM, = KB, MS=20 Mouse, Win95 or NT 4.0 WS, 17" monitor, Diamond Stealth Video w/4MB = Vram=20 combined with Monster 3D graphics.  No sound.  Very powerful = workstation.  Tower case.  Make reasonable offer as=20 well.
 
Sorry about taking up the bandwidth.  Tell = anyone you=20 know about this stuff... we need it to go!
Call or e-mail:
zellto@XXXXXX
tzell@XXXXXX= rg
H (703) 931-9143
W (202) 274-8015
 
Thanks,
Tom
'86 VFR750
 
OK... moto content.... 1st Gen VFRs=20 rule!!!
------=_NextPart_000_01A2_01BEC475.28378EE0-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 10:34:54 1999 From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Friday funnies Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 10:28:50 -0400 Occassionally, the Navy Safety Office sends out these "Summary of Mishaps" to show us how stupid some people can get. The office writes these with a macabre humor in an attempt to get Navy and Marine Corps personnel to read it. The style works, because everyone wants to read it. These deal with military personnel, but are applicable to all of us. As the summer heats up, motorcyclists appear in this list quite often. Here's the first one of the summer. I also added another non-moto one, because I could see it happen. Mitch Holmes 1986 Honda Magna Lieutenant, U.S. Navy _________________ "PEELING THE ONION" IS A TERM OF ART WE USE A LOT AROUND HERE. IT REFERS TO THE FACT THAT THINGS ARE SELDOM WHAT THEY SEEM AT FIRST GLANCE. HERE'S AN EXAMPLE: > A 29-YEAR OLD SAILOR LOST CONTROL AND CRASHED HIS NEW MOTORCYCLE. HE > CRUSHED HIS LEG, TRANSECTED A COUPLE OF VITAL NERVES AND MAY BE > PERMANENTLY CRIPPLED AS A RESULT. PAINFUL, YES. TRAGIC, CERTAINLY, BUT > NOT UNCOMMON. > NOW LET'S LOOK A LITTLE DEEPER - LET'S PEEL THIS ONION. LAYER ONE: POLICE REPORT SAYS, ALTHOUGH HIS BIKE WAS A 1999 MODEL, THE FRONT TIRE WAS BADLY WORN. THIS NEGLECT OF PROPER MAINTENANCE, IN COMBINATION WITH HIS EXCESSIVE SPEED, MAY HAVE CAUSED THE SHAKING THAT CULMINATED IN THE CRASH. LAYER TWO: HE HAD NO MOTORCYCLE ENDORSEMENT ON HIS LICENSE. NOT THAT IT WOULD HAVE MADE MUCH DIFFERENCE, SEEING AS HOW HIS LICENSE HAD BEEN SUSPENDED BY THE CALIFORNIA DMV. > LAYER THREE: HE FAILED TO ATTEND MANDATORY MOTORCYCLE TRAINING > REQUIRED BY THE NAVY. > > LAYER FOUR: HE ACTIVELY SOUGHT TO CIRCUMVENT THE SYSTEM BY PARKING > HIS BIKE OFF-BASE AND WALKING THROUGH THE GATE TO WORK. > > LAYER FIVE: HE'D BEEN DOING THIS FOR THREE YEARS. > SO, HOW DO YOU END UP AFTER ONE OF THESE THEORETICAL ONION PEELS? > WELL, YOU END UP THINKING, "SHAME ON THIS PETTY OFFICER FOR PUTTING > HIMSELF ABOVE CIVIL LAW AND MILITARY REGULATIONS; SHAME ON HIM FOR > VIOLATING ALL THE RULES DESIGNED BY THE STATE AND BY THE NAVY TO ASSURE > HIS SAFETY." AND, "SHAME ON ALL HIS SHIPMATES WHO KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING, > KNEW THAT IT WAS WRONG, AND ACTIVELY CHOSE TO DO NOTHING TO PROTECT HIM > FROM HIMSELF." > > BUT MOSTLY, YOU END UP THINKING THESE THEORETICAL ONION PEELS ARE A LOT > LIKE THE REAL THING: THEY BOTH LEAVE YOU WITH TEARS IN YOUR EYES. > OK, here's a "funnier" one. > F. FINALLY, THIS THOUGHT. IT MUST BE AWFUL, LYING ON YOUR BACK IN > SICKBAY, WITH YOUR LEGS UP IN TRACTION, SCREAMING FOR ANOTHER ICE PACK, > WHEN THE THOUGHT SUDDENLY FLASHES THROUGH YOUR MIND THAT NOT ONLY IS YOUR > MOST RECENT INDISCRETION GOING TO PUT YOU IN THE FRIDAY FUNNIES, BUT > YOU'RE GOING TO BE THE KICKER, THE ZINGER, THE ONE EVERY BODY IS TALKING > ABOUT AROUND THE COFFEE POT ON MONDAY MORNING. WELL, LANCE CORPORAL, > WELCOME TO YOUR FIFTEEN MINUTES OF FAME. > * THE OBJECT OF THE MISSION WAS BOLT CUTTERS. AND NOT > JUST ANY BOLT CUTTERS, MIND YOU, BUT THOSE BOLT CUTTERS; THE ONES HANGING > WAY UP ON THE WALL OF THE TOOL ROOM ^ THE ONES YOU REALLY NEEDED A LADDER > IN ORDER TO FETCH SAFELY. BUT HEY, WHO'S GOT TIME FOR SAFETY? WHEN THE > GUNNY WANTS BOLT CUTTERS, HE WANTS THEM YESTERDAY. > CLEARLY, THE QUICKEST WAY TO GET THE BOLT CUTTERS WAS TO CLIMB UP ON ONE > OF THOSE BIG EMBARK BOXES ARRAYED ALONG THE WALL OVER THERE, PICK THEM OFF > THEIR HOOK, HOP DOWN, AND DELIVER THEM TO THE CUSTOMER. EASY. > AND THAT'S JUST WHAT THE LANCE CORPORAL DID. ALMOST. > ACTUALLY, HE ONLY COMPLETED STEPS ONE AND TWO BECAUSE, JUST > AS HE CLIMBED UP ON THE TOP OF THE BOX, PLUCKED THE BOLT CUTTERS FROM > THEIR HIGH MOUNT AND TURNED TO HOP DOWN, THE TOP OF THAT BIG EMBARK BOX > CAVED IN. AND HE FELL. > BUT HE DIDN'T FALL FAR. > NO, NEVER EVEN HIT THE GROUND ACTUALLY, WHAT WITH ONE LEG > INSIDE THE BOX AND THE OTHER LEG OUTSIDE THE BOX AND, WHAT WITH THE BOX > BEING TALLER THAN THIS GUY'S LEGS WERE LONG, HE JUST SORT OF TEETERED > THERE - ASTRIDE THAT PLYWOOD KNIFE-EDGE - WITH ALL HIS WEIGHT CRUSHING > DOWN ON HIS MOST TENDER, MOST NETHERMOST PARTS. > 2. HEY, FOURTH OF JULY! FIRST BIG HOLIDAY OF THE SUMMER COMING UP. ENJOY > IT, BUT LET'S BE REAL CAREFUL OUT THERE. GO EASY ON THE BOOZE, GET LOTS > OF REST BEFORE YOU DRIVE, STAY ALERT FOR LOONS WHO DON'T HAVE THE BENEFIT > OF THESE BI-WEEKLY BRIEFINGS, LOOK BEFORE YOU LEAP, WEAR YOUR SEAT BELTS > AND YOUR LIFE PRESERVERS AND BE BACK HERE NEXT TIME, AS OUR ADVENTURE > CONTINUES. > TAKE CARE OF ONE ANOTHER. WE'LL SEE YOU SOON.// > BT > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 11:35:28 1999 From: djones@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: NIRC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 15:11:38 -0400 Subject: Any Rides This Weekend? Thanks, DJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 11:54:21 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 11:53:47 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Great MC demo game..... ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/vfr-list/chs2000demo.exe ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org The author will not be held responsible for anything he says. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 11:56:32 1999 Date: 2 Jul 1999 08:56:25 -0700 X-Sent: 2 Jul 1999 15:56:25 GMT Content-Disposition: inline To: djones@XXXXXX From: Kirt Senser Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Any Rides This Weekend? X-Sent-From: ksenser.erols.com@XXXXXX On Thu, 01 July 1999, djones@XXXXXX wrote: > > Thanks, DJ Always looking for rides... let me know if you find anything. Hobbes CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 12:00:27 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 12:00:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: re: Great MC demo game..... I should have said a bit more about it, but my itchy 'send' trigger got the best of me. This is the Castrol Honda Superbike 2000 game. Best played with a voodoo2 card, but compatible with other 3d systems (and perhaps non-3d). Very realistic. ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/vfr-list/chs2000demo.exe ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 12:20:20 1999 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:54:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Schmoe To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Any Rides This Weekend? Only me riding your wife when you head out > -----Original Message----- > From: djones@XXXXXX [mailto:djones@XXXXXX] > > > Thanks, DJ > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 12:25:17 1999 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 99 12:21:04 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: RE: Any Rides This Weekend? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, djones@XXXXXX, Mwalker3@XXXXXX Mark, more than welcome to join, as is everyone. DJ: ride this saturday, 200+ miles, meet at the old country buffet in Manassas(on business 234 south in shopping center with gian and barnes and noble) at 8:30 for breakfast, 9:30 kickstands up. First gas at ~90 miles, so any VTR's better be full;-) greg --- On Thu, 1 Jul 1999 15:11:38 -0400 djones@XXXXXX wrote: >Thanks, DJ > > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/2/99 HSTA/AMA 12:21:04 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 12:30:51 1999 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 99 12:27:25 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: re: Great MC demo game..... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Troutman How does it compare to the EA world Superbike game? That's the most realistic one I've seen, and I've even found it a little useful in real life, gives a great feel for what changing the suspension does.. thanks, greg --- On Fri, 02 Jul 1999 12:00:20 -0400 Troutman wrote: >I should have said a bit more about it, but my itchy 'send' trigger got the >best of me. This is the Castrol Honda Superbike 2000 game. Best played >with a voodoo2 card, but compatible with other 3d systems (and perhaps non-3d). > >Very realistic. > >ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/vfr-list/chs2000demo.exe > > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/2/99 HSTA/AMA 12:27:25 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 12:49:42 1999 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 12:48:22 -0400 Subject: re: Great MC demo game..... To: Greg Sachs Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I've heard that it doesn't compare well to EA Superbike. I think that EA SB is still supposed to be the best out there for the PC. (It's not out for consoles) FWIW, I've heard rumors of a couple of racing games coming out in the fall that will blow EA SB away. Don't believe it till you see it though. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 p.s. EA Superbike is supposedly a real system hog. How does it compare to the EA world Superbike game? That's the most realistic one I've seen, and I've even found it a little useful in real life, gives a great feel for what changing the suspension does.. thanks, ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 13:03:10 1999 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 99 12:57:25 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: re: Great MC demo game..... To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- On Fri, 02 Jul 1999 12:48:22 -0400 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: >I've heard that it doesn't compare well to EA Superbike. I think that EA SB >is still supposed to be the best out there for the PC. (It's not out for >consoles) FWIW, I've heard rumors of a couple of racing games coming out in >the fall that will blow EA SB away. Don't believe it till you see it >though. > >Chris Weaver >'98 VTR 1000 > >p.s. EA Superbike is supposedly a real system hog. haven't found it too bad, as long as I don't do a full field with 40 riders-I run full detail levels, and 16 bikes, on a p-266MMX with a 3dfx. 40 mb memory. Runs very well, exceot for I'm still bad at it. But it is great for playing with stoppies-turn down the front suspension, and braking gets really interesting. Wheelie really easily too, as you might imagine with 180 hp. And highsides. lots of highsides. Other one that looks good is the one that is coming from motosims, the AMA sim. have to see about that one. greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/2/99 HSTA/AMA 12:57:25 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 14:07:05 1999 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 14:04:24 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ges6@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Subject: re: Great MC demo game..... -Reply Content-Disposition: inline Mac riders, don't bother. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 14:17:44 1999 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 14:17:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Hey there, could use some help.. Okay, You guys have been great about most questions asked, so I have an offer, and hopefully its not insulting to anyone :) I dont know if I went into the saga of my 97 katana 600, but Collin helped me get it back from some guy's parking lot after he up and bailed (after buying it) and didn't pay me any money. So far so good. I dont have the key for it anymore. The bike is salvage rebuilt, and there's no way to tell where the bike was originally sold. Apparently, there's a key code stamped on the bottom of the ignition, but the Katanas are held in by some sort of funky star-shaped bolt - it is NOT an allen bolt, not metric, not standard. I dont even know what these are called. To make things worse, I destroyed my car's rotors, pads, and power steering at summit point last weekend. So it's not really driveable. I have my room-mate's old junker, but I don't trust that car to take me anywhere >10 miles away. If anyone who lives in the Sterling/Ashburn area is willing to help me take the damn ignition lock off (I also know jack SQUAT about working on bikes, which is why I'm asking) I will: 1. Pay for your gas 2. Buy you a case of your favorite beverage 3. Take you out to Tuesday's or Outback for your time I really want to get _A_ running vehicle this weekend. Locksmiths are quoting me like $150 to come out here and "try" to make a key impression ( I know it wont work - one guy already came out, tried for 2 hrs, and was nice enough to not charge me). I hope I'm not asking for too much. I know everyone is busy this 4th weekend. I'm just kinda SOL ATM :( Thanks, Alex. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 14:18:42 1999 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 14:18 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX" , "ges6@XXXXXX" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:re: Great MC demo game..... Not on mine it isn't... Pentium II 450 128MB ram 16MB AGP 3DFX... etc, etc. Tom '86 VFR750 aka Halflife Addict ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: re: Great MC demo game..... Author: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: 7/2/99 12:48 PM p.s. EA Superbike is supposedly a real system hog. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 14:46:04 1999 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 14:44:45 +0000 From: Jon Schumer Subject: Re: Hey there, could use some help.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-priority: Normal > I dont have the key for it anymore. The bike is salvage rebuilt, > and there's no way to tell where the bike was originally sold. > Apparently, there's a key code stamped on the bottom of the > ignition, but the Katanas are held in by some sort of funky > star-shaped bolt - it is NOT an allen bolt, not metric, not standard. > I dont even know what these are called. Torx bolts > To make things worse, I destroyed my car's rotors, pads, and > power steering at summit point last weekend. So it's not really > driveable. I have my room-mate's old junker, but I don't trust > that car to take me anywhere >10 miles away. Uh, racing will do that to a car. 8^) I don't live near you or I'd help, but you can buy torx sockets at any auto store or Sears. If you're just removing the ignition to get a key code, you won't need anything but the right size torx socket. Jon From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 21:43:45 1999 From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, McKeithen@XXXXXX Subject: Winchester Indian Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 21:43:07 -0400 I bought my Enfield from Winchester Indian. Carl and Dana are good people, and they put on a good party too. Their open house was a lot of fun. I only wish I didn't live 60 miles from there. A refreshing experience. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling Bob wrote... Called Winchester Indian... I had been looking for a shop to call " home". I think I may have found it. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 22:52:59 1999 X-Originating-IP: [209.122.246.120] From: DAN KENNEY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sunday ride Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 19:52:26 PDT Any body want to ride Sunday. Planning a southern MD ( loosely organized)ride. Dan Kenney Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 23:18:04 1999 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" , Subject: RE: Winchester Indian Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 23:16:44 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Well, I live 10 minutes from them. While they don't have much for my FJ1100 or TL100R, they do have a good selection of leather jackets (just got a new one from them), and cleaning supplies, etc. They seemed very helpful. They will get my business when I can give it to them. > -----Original Message----- > From: Crishock, Richard M, BGM [mailto:rcrishock@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, July 02, 1999 9:43 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; McKeithen@XXXXXX > Subject: Winchester Indian > > > I bought my Enfield from Winchester Indian. Carl and Dana are > good people, > and they put on a good party too. Their open house was a lot of fun. I > only wish I didn't live 60 miles from there. A refreshing experience. > > Rich > '78 Triumph Bonneville > '99 Enfield Bullet > Sterling > > > > Bob wrote... > > Called Winchester Indian... > > I had been > looking for a shop to call " home". I think I may have found it. > From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 3 12:17:01 1999 X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 12:19:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: lisa Goddard Subject: digest Please switch me to digest. Thanks! From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 3 17:36:19 1999 From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Small rewards!! (Jottings from my cave) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 17:34:57 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_150C_01BEC57A.5E98B260 About noon today I retreated to my cave for a weather sitout. A musing: Reward A. Up first thing this morning for chores, among them being a = long overdue bike wash and cleanup: I'm not a showbiker, but I find = peace of mind in dedirting my stock machine every few months. So spent = a couple of hours in the (relative) cool tree shade with potions and = rags. Came out looking pretty sparkly, If I do say. =20 Anyway, this is a labor of love for me as the before/after difference = isn't that pronounced on this recent bike and my expectations of any = applause are nil. =20 So -- I'm back to the middle of town and just finished parking to run a = last errand when a messenger type comes bicycling down the sidewalk. = He's looking at the bike, looking at the bike, looking at the bike. He = pulls up to me and says "Gee, great bike. What year is it?" I tell = him. He says "Wow. It really looks great" and he goes over to get a = closer look. I continue on with a HUGE helmet-hidden grin, marveling = about timing, thinking his comments all the better because the bike is = in the shade, seeing as how 99% of the comments I get on my midcruiser = are "Hey, is that a Harley?", and know that my next wet & buff will be = much sooner than the last. =20 Reward B. On that same errand I'm coming back to the bike and crossing = 19th Street when I look down (checking surface traction, of course) and = there is a small pager unit, obviously lost (and beeping). I look = around, no one, I rescue it from the hazards of the street. Ten minutes = later I'm on the phone to Metrocall, and it turns out they offer a $15 = reward for pager returns, for which I arrange (by mail, tho they promote = carryin). I say I hope they will try to contact the user asap so their = Fourth weekend isn't retched upon by this crucial loss. =20 Back to sipping cool and catching up on 'stuff'. Crazy me I'm on the = bike tomorrow. =20 Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Thank you Bill for a cool, quiet afternoon Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_150C_01BEC57A.5E98B260
About noon today I retreated to my cave = for a=20 weather sitout.  A musing:
 
Reward A.  Up first thing this = morning for=20 chores, among them being a long overdue bike wash and cleanup:  I'm = not a=20 showbiker, but I find peace of mind in dedirting my stock machine every = few=20 months.  So spent a couple of hours in the (relative) cool tree = shade with=20 potions and rags.  Came out looking pretty sparkly, If I do = say. =20
 
Anyway, this is a labor of love for me = as the=20 before/after difference isn't that pronounced on this recent bike and my = expectations of any applause are nil. 
 
So -- I'm back to the middle of town = and just=20 finished parking to run a last errand when a messenger type comes = bicycling down=20 the sidewalk.  He's looking at the bike, looking at the bike, = looking at=20 the bike.  He pulls up to me and says "Gee, great bike.  = What=20 year is it?"  I tell him.  He says "Wow.  It = really=20 looks great"  and he goes over to get a closer look.  I = continue=20 on with a HUGE helmet-hidden grin, marveling about timing, thinking his = comments=20 all the better because the bike is in the shade, seeing as how 99% of = the=20 comments I get on my midcruiser are "Hey, is that a Harley?", = and know=20 that my next wet & buff will be much sooner than the last. =20
 
 
Reward B.  On that same errand I'm = coming back=20 to the bike and crossing 19th Street when I look down (checking surface=20 traction, of course) and there is a small pager unit, obviously lost = (and=20 beeping).  I look around, no one, I rescue it from the hazards of = the=20 street.  Ten minutes later I'm on the phone to Metrocall, and it = turns out=20 they offer a $15 reward for pager returns, for which I arrange (by mail, = tho=20 they promote carryin).  I say I hope they will try to contact the = user asap=20 so their Fourth weekend isn't retched upon by this crucial loss. =20
 
 
Back to sipping cool and catching up on = 'stuff'.  Crazy me I'm on the bike tomorrow. 
 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 = VN750 --> Thank=20 you Bill for a cool, quiet afternoon
Join the AMA.  Help protect = my=20 riding fun.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_150C_01BEC57A.5E98B260-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 3 18:14:30 1999 Date: Sat, 3 Jul 99 18:09:51 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: Ride today To: Dc Cycles Unfortunately not many showed(to say the least, but the ride was really nice I think. Grant on his SV, Mark on his vfr 800, myself, and Keith on a Fj1200 did about 300 miles today, had fun. Got a bit of rain on skyline and on 211 heading to 522, but otherwise great, if hot weather. Too bad more didn't make it. I'll probably do another ride Aug ???, whatever the first saturday is. Greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/3/99 HSTA/AMA 6:09:51 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 3 21:32:31 1999 From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Cellphone bans Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 21:31:24 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1577_01BEC59B.66CBFD40 >From the New York Times today -- "BROOKLYN, Ohio -- It is illegal to drive while talking on a cell phone = in this Cleveland suburb, the only place in America with such a ban. = ..." And it goes on into much detail. Apparently a phoner rearended an = elderly motorist at a red light, fueling the law. NHTSA says some = countries have a ban. (And previously we found out NYC forbids taxi = drivers cellphone use.) =20 Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Homes in on telephone booths Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_1577_01BEC59B.66CBFD40
From the New York Times = today=20 --
 
"BROOKLYN, Ohio -- = It is illegal=20 to drive while talking on a cell phone in this Cleveland suburb, the = only place=20 in America with such a ban. ..."  And it goes on into much=20 detail.  Apparently a phoner rearended an elderly motorist at a red = light,=20 fueling the law.  NHTSA says some countries have a ban.  (And=20 previously we found out NYC forbids taxi drivers cellphone use.) =20
 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 = VN750 --> Homes=20 in on telephone booths
Join the AMA.  = Help protect my=20 riding fun.
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_1577_01BEC59B.66CBFD40-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 3 21:56:12 1999 From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: An unusual lesson here Fw: --Gregg's accident-- Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 21:55:05 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 >From the Vulcan list comes a lesson about a delayed accident discovery -- nobody knew he had taken a trip. (I'll be happy to forward condolences.) Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ...snip -----Original Message----- >then long and the short of things is as follows: > >Wed evening around 10PM Gregg was working on his bike just enjoyig himself >while waiting for his girlfriend ... Sometinme shortly after 10 he hopped >on his bike to give the new ignition a test. It was a humid evening and >working in the garage he was wearing only shorts and sneakers. Apparently he >was only "going for a quick spin" (as I'm sure many of us have said to >ourselves before ) so he only threw on a denim jacket over his bare chest and >no helmet. All that is know from then on is appx 1 mile from his home Gregg >hit a racoon in the road near a curve on a back road. He did not loose >control immediatelybut did go off the road at the curve into shoulder-high >cornfield , going over the handlebars while the bike went end over end. Some >time in the tumble the bike came down on Gregg's head, gashing it open and >causing brain hemorraging and slightly cracking 2 vertebra, also his wrist or >thumb is broken and there was severe impact to his chest, probably but >hitting the steering head on the way over the bars. >On top of his injuries noone knew Gregg was missing until his girlfriend came >home near midnight. After finding the lights in the garage on and the door >open and the bike gone, she knew something was amiss. It took [his girlfriend], >friends and family until nearly 6 AM the next morning to find Gregg. Due to >the angle he sliced into the cornfield, only a few cornstalks were knocked >and the crash site was barely visible. Add to that the rain that kicked in >shortly after midnight and finding him almost impossible. The search party >lead by [his girlfriend] split up to cover more ground. Fortunately, shortly after >dawn, Gregg's father saw a mirror on the side of the road and walked off into >the cornfield, finding Gregg nearly 8 hours after the crash. He was still >alive, but only barley. he was lifelined to . . . and is in currently in the Neuro-Critical Care Unit. the doctors >have relieved the swelling in his head and and he is on a respirator. One >of his lungs is partially collapsed and there is serious complications due to >the weather exposure. On the positive side,his heart and other abdominal >organs are functioning well, also they are intenionally keeping him sedated >for a number of reasons, including a world of pain. So in appx 72 hrs the >doctors will allow him to regain consciousness and take him out of CCU. >Gregg is a fighter and will regain consciousness. The only serious >complication aside from potential brain dammage, is his lungs. Greggs blood >oxygen saturation has been erratic. His lungs have not been working properly >taking oxygen into his blood due to trauma ,exposure to the weatherand and >one lung collapsed. --more-- He is 26 years old and recently quit a rock band a few years back and went back to college. ...snip True, he was foolish to ride as he did..and seeing him has driven reality home. I usually wear my helmet 90% of the time but I know now I will never throw my leg over the saddle without it again. Please send all your prayers, meditation, voodoo , ...snip Gregg is a very special person. One of the Good Guys. The world is a better place with him in it. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 3 22:14:19 1999 Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 22:13:35 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Accept-Language: en To: mobacc CC: Dc Cycles Subject: Re: Cellphone bans > mobacc wrote: > > From the New York Times today -- > > "BROOKLYN, Ohio -- It is illegal to drive while talking on a cell > phone in this Cleveland suburb, the only place in America with such a > ban. ..." Good Deal! But sadly, I can hear the opposition now: "Wait a minute. Big Brother should not be telling me when I can and can't use a cellphone. I should have the RIGHT TO CHOOSE. I should have FREEDOM OF CHOICE. The neck support provided by cradling a cellphone next to my head helps support my neck in the event of a collision. This law will make NECK INJURIES far more likely." I'm sure I'm forgetting some part of that tired old party line. :) (Drip, drip, that is sarcasm you hear) Bravo to Brooklyn, Ohio! I think it's a good law. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 3 23:28:29 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 23:28:15 -0400 To: Dale Horstman From: Mike T Subject: Re: Cellphone bans Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Big Brother would be telling us that the phone ban is necessary. I would be claiming freedom of choice..... As a responsible cel phone user (in the car - dial at lights, pay attention to the road) I would find it intrusive for the government to ban my use of the phone. HOWEVER - I have seen too many cagers unable to coordinate driving and the cel phone - so I negate my own libertarian opinion..... At 10:13 PM 7/3/99 , Dale Horstman wrote: >> mobacc wrote: >> >> From the New York Times today -- >> >> "BROOKLYN, Ohio -- It is illegal to drive while talking on a cell >> phone in this Cleveland suburb, the only place in America with such a >> ban. ..." > >Good Deal! But sadly, I can hear the opposition now: > >"Wait a minute. Big Brother should not be telling me when I can >and can't use a cellphone. I should have the RIGHT TO CHOOSE. >I should have FREEDOM OF CHOICE. The neck support provided by >cradling a cellphone next to my head helps support my neck in >the event of a collision. This law will make NECK INJURIES far >more likely." I'm sure I'm forgetting some part of that tired >old party line. :) _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 3 23:39:38 1999 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Cellphone bans Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 23:38:28 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Okay, let's see how many accidents there are when people just start slamming on their brakes and pulling to the shoulder to answer the phone. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike T [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Saturday, July 03, 1999 11:28 PM > To: Dale Horstman > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Cellphone bans > > > Big Brother would be telling us that the phone ban is necessary. I would > be claiming freedom of choice..... > > As a responsible cel phone user (in the car - dial at lights, pay > attention > to the road) I would find it intrusive for the government to ban my use of > the phone. HOWEVER - I have seen too many cagers unable to coordinate > driving and the cel phone - so I negate my own libertarian opinion..... > > At 10:13 PM 7/3/99 , Dale Horstman wrote: > >> mobacc wrote: > >> > >> From the New York Times today -- > >> > >> "BROOKLYN, Ohio -- It is illegal to drive while talking on a cell > >> phone in this Cleveland suburb, the only place in America with such a > >> ban. ..." > > > >Good Deal! But sadly, I can hear the opposition now: > > > >"Wait a minute. Big Brother should not be telling me when I can > >and can't use a cellphone. I should have the RIGHT TO CHOOSE. > >I should have FREEDOM OF CHOICE. The neck support provided by > >cradling a cellphone next to my head helps support my neck in > >the event of a collision. This law will make NECK INJURIES far > >more likely." I'm sure I'm forgetting some part of that tired > >old party line. :) > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 4 21:44:14 1999 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 21:43:52 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Accept-Language: en To: Gary Foreman CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Cellphone bans Gary Foreman wrote: > > Okay, let's see how many accidents there are when people just start slamming > on their brakes and pulling to the shoulder to answer the phone. Yep, I always get a kick out of folks who absolutely can't stand to let a phone ring. Like it's the end of the world if they miss a call. If it's important, they'll call back. :) Horkster, resident grumpy hightech hater. -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 5 05:36:53 1999 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Laughing Gods Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 05:35:00 -0700 >If the clutch is engaged, how do you start it from a >dead stop w/o lurching forward My experience: you don't - it lurches >and having the engine die? Judicious application of throttle (WFO) - cutting back after the lurching stage OTOH - even more fun is a busted clutch cable on a kick start only bike :-( Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 5 19:50:27 1999 From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Off-road AMA Notice Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 19:49:55 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I got the following letter from the AMA. As I'm not a Prince William county resident, I thought I would post it to the list. Dear AMA Member: This message is intended for members who reside in Prince William County, Virginia. If you don't live in the county, we apologize. If you do, please share with you friends who ride but don't belong. Many of you will be familiar with recent efforts in the county that would have limited your right to ride a trail bike or an ATV on your own property. These have been stopped for now. And thanks to a new group in the county, the Prince William Off Road Coalition (PWORC), the debate has moved on to the next level! Imagine for a moment that the county has decided that your recreational needs are legitimate and that they want to provide a legal opportunity. Now pinch yourself! Yes, you are awake and this can be a reality. But only if every enthusiast is involved. If riding a trail bike or an ATV is important to you, your family, your children and your friends, you need to be involved in this new effort. The PWORC will be meeting on July 8, 7:30pm at the Prince of Peace United Methodist Church, 6299 Token Forest Drive (Prince William Parkway to Hoady Road. Turn onto Purcell Road a the first light, make an immediate right onto Token Forest, the church will be on your right). If you can't attend but want to be involved, please call John Meyer (evenings) at 791-2334. John is trying to assemble leadership in every corner of the county. I truly hope you can become involved in this important effort. Sincerely, Eric J. Lundquist, Esq. Senior Legislative Affairs Specialist Government Relation Department elundquist@XXXXXX 614.856.1900 x1225 www.ama-cycle.org LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (58K miles and counting...) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 06:57:40 1999 From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Cc: "'mike@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Laughing Gods Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 06:56:46 -0400 Michael J. wrote... > >OTOH - even more fun is a busted clutch cable on a kick start only bike :-( > Yep yep. There's no stopping us now. Rich <- been known to lane split and deliberately run red lights in desperate situations like the above. '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 09:17:04 1999 From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Gary Foreman" cc: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:07:23 -0400 Subject: RE: Cellphone bans Content-Disposition: inline I personally feel that people who need to be on the phone at all times have a problem. I mean, GOD, in addition to driving while on the phone, do you have to GROCERY SHOP on the phone!!?? - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 09:40:33 1999 From: "Suazo, Tony" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Cell phone bans Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:39:15 -0400 As the technology becomes affordable and available, this may prove to be a moot point. New cellular phones already provide for speaker phone use. If you add in voice recognition, already available from local phone companies, you're 90% there. The last piece would be voice activation of the phone, and you would have a completely hands free phone system. My question is, "How much was spent for legislation of a soon to be archaic law which could have been spent on something like education?". How can we turn this into a motorcycle related topic? When will the helmets with built in phone systems be offered? Of course, I'd hate to forget to turn the phone system off and receive a call in the middle of a turn on 211. Tony CBR600 F3 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 10:01:38 1999 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 10:02:04 -0400 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "DC Cycles" , "Suazo, Tony" Subject: RE: Cell phone bans ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Suazo, Tony" Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:39:15 -0400 >As the technology becomes affordable and available, this may prove to >be a moot point. New cellular phones already provide for speaker phone >use. If you add in voice recognition, already available from local >phone companies, you're 90% there. Tony, I still think there is a danger that the driver/phone user could still not be paying as much attention to driving. Ever turn down the radio in your car when you are looking for a hard-to-find street address? Why is that? :) Ever try to talk on the phone in a noisy room, or a busy office? It's hard, because there are so many distractions around. You have to really concentrate on the phone call and tune out your environment to really be able to listen to the call. Well, driving is a distraction, too. Some drivers tune out rather than pull over. Anyway, I'm sure some drivers are pretty capable of handling a phone call and a steering wheel at the same time. Some drivers are capable of handling a car in excess of 150 mph safely, too. Neither one should be allowed to do that on our public roads, though. Regards, Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 10:28:21 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 10:28:10 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Heat Warning and A/C First of all.... Severe Weather Alert ...EXCESSIVE HEAT WARNING FOR TODAY... TEMPERATURES THIS AFTERNOON WILL REACH 100 TO 105 DEGREES.THESE TEMPERATURES WILL COMBINE WITH HIGH HUMIDITY TO PRODUCE HEAT INDICIES AROUND 115 DEGREES. This from the Yahoo weather pages. Now...since it was too hot to wear my jacket today, I was thinking about bike A/C. Anyone ever tried it? Small A/C compressor pumping cool air through a tube into your jacket / leathers / jumpsuit. It wouldn't take much to keep you cool on days like this..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 10:42:48 1999 Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 8:41 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:Cellphone bans X-Attachments: body.htm --=_sb1999/07/06-12-42-27-371=_sb Yay!!! Way to go Brooklyn, Ohio! Tom <---- can't stand cellular drivers '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Cellphone bans Author: mobacc@XXXXXX Date: 7/3/99 9:31 PM >From the New York Times today -- "BROOKLYN, Ohio -- It is illegal to drive while talking on a cell phone in this Cleveland suburb, the only place in America with such a ban. ..." And it goes o n into much detail. Apparently a phoner rearended an elderly motorist at a red light, fueling the law. NHTSA says some countries have a ban. (And previously we found out NYC forbids taxi drivers cellphone use.) Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Homes in on telephone booths Join the AMA. 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Anyone ever tried it? Small A/C compressor pumping cool air through a tube into your jacket / leathers / jumpsuit. It wouldn't take much to keep you cool on days like this..... >> Is this something that is actually available? Never heard of it. Sounds like a good idea to me. More info please. :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 10:48:32 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 10:48:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C At 10:43 AM 7/6/99 , ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >Is this something that is actually available? Never heard of it. Sounds >like a good idea to me. More info please. :-) This is a bit more of a dream than a reality, but I don't see why it wouldn't be doable. I will start my quest for small a/c compressors today.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 11:05:32 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 11:04:40 -0400 To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C At 10:28 AM 7/6/99 , Troutman wrote: >Severe Weather Alert > ...EXCESSIVE HEAT WARNING FOR TODAY... Good thing I rode today! Next question is whether or not to try the Aerostich on the way home. With the summer windscreen dumping air down the jacket and inflating it, with sleeves open and ducting air in, and with a wet bandanna around my neck it might be okay long enough to get home. >Now...since it was too hot to wear my jacket today, I was thinking about >bike A/C. Anyone ever tried it? Small A/C compressor pumping cool air >through a tube into your jacket / leathers / jumpsuit. It wouldn't take >much to keep you cool on days like this..... I think running an A/C compressor off the bike would be the biggest challenge. You could pump ice-chilled water through a tube-vest for as long as the ice holds out. There's wet vests, ice-pack vests, phase-change vests (kind of like ice-pack vests), air-cooled vests (military), and battery-powered chilled liquid vests (military & contaminated-environment) The question is how much do you want to spend! Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 11:13:45 1999 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Heat Warning and A/C Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 08:12:59 -0700 It's already been done... look into the personal cooling systems used by Nascar and Formula 1 drivers.... Don't know how big the compressor is though. It also cools the helmet. Basically, it flows chilled fluid through tubes sewn into their racing suits. Brian > -----Original Message----- > > This is a bit more of a dream than a reality, but I don't see why it > wouldn't be doable. I will start my quest for small a/c > compressors today.... > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 11:20:06 1999 From: "Ken" To: , "Troutman" Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:17:46 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Well actually NASCAR tried something similar once, pumping water through = a cool suit, with the intention of keeping the driver cool. = Unfortunately even with the scoop diverting air through the excganger = the water in the suit ended up boiling and scalding the driver. = Ouuuch!!!!!! (Still waiting for his bike to be done at the shop ;(....) Ken S. ICQ# 32289311 HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Troutman To: Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 10:28 AM Subject: Heat Warning and A/C > First of all.... >=20 > Severe Weather Alert=20 >=20 > ...EXCESSIVE HEAT WARNING FOR TODAY... TEMPERATURES THIS AFTERNOON = WILL > REACH 100 TO 105 DEGREES.THESE TEMPERATURES WILL COMBINE WITH HIGH = HUMIDITY > TO PRODUCE HEAT INDICIES AROUND 115 DEGREES.=20 >=20 > This from the Yahoo weather pages. >=20 > Now...since it was too hot to wear my jacket today, I was thinking = about > bike A/C. Anyone ever tried it? Small A/C compressor pumping cool = air > through a tube into your jacket / leathers / jumpsuit. It wouldn't = take > much to keep you cool on days like this..... >=20 > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman=20 > http://www.troutman.org >=20 > '97 Honda VFR 750 >=20 >=20 >=20 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 11:20:31 1999 From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:20:06 EDT Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX yeah! this might actually get me into leathers when it's this hot instead of riding around like an idiot with nothing but a 3/4 helmet and some fingerless gloves :D Marcy In a message dated 7/6/99 10:51:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX writes: << << Now...since it was too hot to wear my jacket today, I was thinking about bike A/C. Anyone ever tried it? Small A/C compressor pumping cool air through a tube into your jacket / leathers / jumpsuit. It wouldn't take much to keep you cool on days like this..... >> Is this something that is actually available? Never heard of it. Sounds like a good idea to me. More info please. :-) >> From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 11:25:52 1999 From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:24:16 EDT Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/6/99 10:53:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: << This is a bit more of a dream than a reality, but I don't see why it wouldn't be doable. I will start my quest for small a/c compressors today.... >> I have a small window fan in my house: it has two fans side-by-side and is constructed so that one side "accordions" so you can fit it tightly across the width of the window sill and then you pull the window itself down until it rests on top of the fan - it basically makes a sort of lame seal ... but then you can set both fans to blow air either in or out or in opposite of same directions ... at any rate, in addition it has a "comfort control" knob that allows you to set the airflow to "cooler" and it does actually get colder - I'm not sure how as I can't see any kind of unit to provide cooling (the whole thing just plugs into the wall) but I wonder if something similar couldn't be hooked up to a bike battery ... the brand is Holmes marcy From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 11:26:51 1999 From: "Ken" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: You just have to love Northern Virginia Yuppies.( VERY Long about Patriot HD) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:23:45 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 On a personal note, I thought the place stank of a bunch of used car = salesman, anc couldnt give a hoot, but I thought this was funny. Harley noise prompts council rumblings=20 City to consider revoking permit for dealership=20 By ROBERT WHITE=20 Journal staff writer=20 Pressured by resident complaints about motorcycle noise, Fairfax City = officials this week moved closer to revoking the zoning permit for the = city's 3-month-old Harley Davidson dealership.=20 Taking away Patriot Harley Davidson's special-use permit, as the City = Council could do after a hearing next month, would put the shop out of = business.=20 Council members said they do not plan to take the issue that far, but = they agreed Tuesday night to start the revocation process to make clear = to owner Robert C. DeHaven that he needs to do something to tone down = the noise.=20 "The intent is not to close the shop down or to harm the business in any = way," Councilman Rob Lederer said. "The intent is to preserve the = quality of life for the surrounding residential communities."=20 DeHaven reacted angrily to the decision, saying he has followed all = conditions of the special-use permit granted by the City Council last = May. He acknowledged the store generates noise, but asserted that should = be expected from a shop that sells and repairs motorcycles.=20 A major bone of contention is the noise and traffic generated by = motorcycle rallies, such as the annual Memorial Day "Rolling Thunder" = event, in which thousands of Harley riders descend upon the Vietnam = Veterans Memorial in downtown Washington. Patriot Harley Davidson played = host to local riders for the May 30 caravan.=20 The shop, which opened in March on a three-acre site on Lee Highway near = Fairfax Circle, also held a grand opening festival Saturday, drawing = Harley enthusiasts from across Northern Virginia. Residents complained = that parked motorcycles lined the streets from the shop to Fairfax High = School, a half-mile away.=20 "We don't want someone to turn Fairfax City into a mecca for cyclists = from all over the region," said Carl Hemmer, a former council member who = lives in the Great Oaks neighborhood behind the shop. "[DeHaven] is = trying to build Nissan Pavilion East in the middle of Fairfax City."=20 Neighbors have lodged dozens of complaints with council members, and = several spoke out against the shop at Tuesday's council meeting. In = response, the council voted 5-0 to begin the process of revoking = DeHaven's permit.=20 To get approval for his 20,000-square-foot shop, DeHaven agreed to hold = no more than six rallies a year, restrict the store's hours of = operations and build about $100,000 of ancillary improvements in the = area, including a pedestrian bridge over a nearby creek.=20 DeHaven, a lifelong Harley rider who in 1981 founded Quality Systems = Inc., a Fairfax high-technology firm, said the city's actions are = puzzling because the motorcycle shop has never been accused of violating = the terms of the agreement.=20 "You'd think there'd be some due process here, where they inform you = that you're in violation [of the permit] and say, `You either cure this = or we're going to revoke your permit,'" he said. "I've never been cited = for being in violation of anything."=20 DeHaven has 10 days to protest Tuesday's decision and said he will do = so. An appeal would lead to a July 27 public hearing before the council. = Council members said they hope to work out a solution to the noise = problem before then. Several of them said yesterday they will ask = DeHaven to find another site to stage rallies or consider limiting him = to just one or two events a year.=20 "What I would like to see is curtailing the noise and the number of = rallies and open houses that he intends to hold," said Councilman Scott = Silverthorne, who strongly supported the Harley shop last year as part = of the city's redevelopment of the Lee Highway area.=20 "Six [rallies] a year is a lot. They have the big one on Memorial Day, = and I'm not so certain they need more than that."=20 DeHaven said he understands the noise concerns but does not favor = reducing the number of rallies, which he said are an integral part of = any Harley Davidson dealership.=20 "Not only are they typical, they are mandated by the motor company," he = said. "You have to be able to do some of these things."=20 Saturday's grand opening, which featured live music and free food, = raised more than $16,000 for charity, DeHaven said.=20 "We're being good corporate neighbors," he added.=20 The shop is one of only a handful of Harley Davidson dealerships in the = Washington area.=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- Ken S. ICQ# 32289311 HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 11:31:20 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 11:25:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Cool Vests, etc. Here's some cool vest info, etc. I've gathered over the years. The products from Wright Safety and ILC Dover look pretty nice, at a reasonable price. Canadian military, air-cooling vest http://www.dciem.dnd.ca/DCIEM/Fact-Sheets/General/G-13.html The Vegas Vest (water-soaked) http://homepage.usr.com/e/edwarvel/ (link not currently working) Phase-change vest ($250-400) http://www.wrightsafety.com/showcase/thermalwear/ Ice Pak vest ($209), Ice-chilled water circulated ($285) http://www.ilcdover.com/Industry/Safety/coolvest.htm Misty Mate, water mister ($20-50) http://www.mistymate.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 11:34:45 1999 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:34:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The joy of locks, part 2 Well, brian was kind enough to come over this weekend, and have a look at my bike. I can tell you folks one thing: Suzuki's anti-theft bolts _SUCK_. I really fail to see the logic behind these things. I mean, if someone's going to steal the bike, theyre not going to waste time removing your ignition - theyre going to pop the steering lock, and throw it into a van/ pickup. At any rate, these bastards are break-away bolts, so the only way to get them out is to drill them out. I have a drill, but I dont have one of the "easy-out" tools (the ones that you shove down the hole so you can remove the bolt). Even better, the bolts that hold my clip-ons in place are seized/fused (not sure what you call it when crap builds up on em). I'm going to douse them with WD-40 tonight, and hope that tommorow they are semi-cooperative. Yes, yes, WD-40 isn't a lubricant, its a penatrating oil, but thats what I need.. to get the gunk off. Anyway. With the clip-ons removed, I'll try to take the ignition to Cycle Sport (still attached to the top triple clamp), and bite the $20 bullet to have them drill that crap out. Joy. Alex. P.S. Thanks again brian! Appreciate the help! From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 11:40:24 1999 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:40:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C On Tue, 6 Jul 1999 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > yeah! this might actually get me into leathers when it's this hot instead of > riding around like an idiot with nothing but a 3/4 helmet and some fingerless > gloves :D > > Marcy I bet you get odd looks from your neighbors. "Damnit, bob, avert your eyes! Marcy Godiva is riding again!" Alex. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 11:54:41 1999 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: The joy of locks, part 2 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 08:54:30 -0700 > -----Original Message----- : Suzuki's anti-theft > bolts _SUCK_. They're not bad as long as you have the right tool and someone before you didn't strip them (we had both against us) > At any rate, these bastards are break-away bolts, so the only > way to get > them out is to drill them out. I have a drill, but I dont > have one of the > "easy-out" tools (the ones that you shove down the hole so > you can remove > the bolt). Your friendly Sears has a set of them for $10.. :P Be careful though, they're brittle. > Anyway. With the clip-ons removed, I'll try to take the ignition to > Cycle Sport (still attached to the top triple clamp), and bite the $20 > bullet to have them drill that crap out. Take them the entire thing... they shouldn't care one way or another. I must say though... the bolts on that bike felt like Collin (who I think is lurking) tightened them... Gorilla boy thinks every bolt should be tightened to creaking point... ugh. Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 12:01:09 1999 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 12:02:06 -0400 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" , "Ken" Subject: Re: Northern Virginia Yuppies ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Ken" Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:23:45 -0400 >On a personal note, I thought the place stank of a bunch of used car >salesman, anc couldnt give a hoot, but I thought this was funny. >Harley noise prompts council rumblings > > >City to consider revoking permit for dealership Part of me wants to cheer because the "Loud Pipes Save Lives" crowd is really hurting themselves here by threatening the existence of a new Dealership. Bikes that are annoyingly loud cause problems just like this. But another part of me is troubled by this. Would the genteel residents of Fairfax object if Coleman Posersports just up the road put on a similar rally? Is the issue really noise, or is it having us "dirty bikers" seen everywhere? Horkster, worried a little bit -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 12:09:58 1999 From: "Ken" To: , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: Northern Virginia Yuppies Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 12:05:51 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Dale, thats what scares me too, its not going to matter whether its Loud = pipes on Harleys , or sqids blipping the throttle waiting at = intersections, the Fairfax Volvo crowd isnt going to like anyhting that = disturbs their concept of idyllic suburban life....., Its not very = different than the earlier post about being able to ride ATV's on your = own property in down in Prince William. =20 Ken S. ICQ# 32289311 HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV > But another part of me is troubled by this. Would the genteel > residents of Fairfax object if Coleman Posersports just up the=20 > road put on a similar rally? Is the issue really noise, or is > it having us "dirty bikers" seen everywhere? >=20 > Horkster, worried a little bit From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 12:18:14 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 12:18:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Harley Dealership in trouble The best thing to do here is to support this dealership any way you can. Start by contacting the very friendly Mayor Mason - http://www.ci.fairfax.va.us/council/mayor.html Let him know that you approve of the dealership, and give him a lot of reasons to support you and other bikers..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 12:22:48 1999 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:22:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Northern Virginia Yuppies To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Part of me wants to cheer because the "Loud Pipes Save Lives" > crowd is really hurting themselves here by threatening the > existence of a new Dealership. Bikes that are annoyingly loud > cause problems just like this. While I was up in Connecticut recently, I stopped by to visit my aunt. Her husband (but not my uncle... long story) asked me to explain why the motorcycles next door to them had to be so loud. I went out and took a look. Yep, straight pipe Harleys. I tried to explain to him about how some people feel that loud pipes save lives, and others (like myself) don't agree and think they ruin the image of motorcyclists. He kept saying, "Yeah, but why do they have to be so loud first thing in the morning?" Finally I told him that if it really gets bad and he is going to do something, not to complain about the motorcycles specifically, but to rather about the noise. I reminded him about how quiet mine was and told him that motorcycles aren't the problem; illegally loud pipes are, so be sure he doesn't get motorcycles banned (otherwise I'd never be able to visit them again). They live in a beautiful ocean community and I could just see them enacting a motorcycle ban there if the problem continues. Louis === Louis Caplan Alexandria, VA 1998 Kawasaki Concours 11th place, Capitol 1000 "Mean Green Scream Machine" Proud Sponsor of Joe Denton http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 12:31:53 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 12:31:38 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Harley Dealership - update If you want to support the dealership, try them directly : http://patriothd.com/ or email : PatriotHD@XXXXXX The City Council doesn't seem to have an email listing, but I believe the mayor serves on the council, so just email him directly..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 13:05:50 1999 Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 13:00:28 -0400 From: Larry Reynolds X-Accept-Language: en To: Ken CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: You just have to love Northern Virginia Yuppies.( VERY Long about Patriot HD) Ken wrote: > On a personal note, I thought the place stank of a bunch of used car salesman, anc couldnt give a hoot, but I thought this was funny. Harley noise prompts council rumblings Listers.. I feel I need to respond to Ken's letter in that my experiences their has never been short of pleasent. Every time I have visited Patriot, I have been treated with kindness and courtesy. An example.. I noticed that they had a Coke machine with no dollar changer. So I went up to the desk for change and they instead fliped me $.10 with a smile. Intially perplexed, I was told that Cokes were 10 cent (yup, 12 oz cans). Any questions asked by this newbie were answered with courtesy. I was given a nice tour of the place and the wrench gave me a very nice show of the dyno facility. The lounge is comfortable with a large format tv with a selection of biker videos for viewing. The place is clean and well stocked from my observation. There are at least two other HD dealers alot closer to where live, but I have no problem going over to Patriot. As for the noise problem, the Fairfax City Council members are being very unreasonable in their approach. While agree that the residents and shop owners have a legitimate gripe, its unreasonable to expect the store owner to control its customers actions out of his store. Maybe a little law enforcement would help here. I think, from my own observation there, if bikers would leave the parking lot with a little consideration and without accelerating like many do, it would help a lot. The Patriot customers shold be made aware of the situation and drive there with some consideration of the same I believe that if Patriot is forced to close from the action of the Fairfax City Council, we locals will lose a lot and all of us will lose a little.... Larry '99 1200 XLC From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 13:07:32 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 12:56:57 -0400 To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: You just have to love Northern Virginia Yuppies.( VERY Long about Patriot HD) >City to consider revoking permit for dealership > >By ROBERT WHITE >Journal staff writer > >Pressured by resident complaints about motorcycle noise, Fairfax City >officials this week moved closer to revoking the zoning permit for the >city's 3-month-old Harley Davidson dealership. And bikers with loud pipes will STILL fail to grasp that they hurt us all with their noise. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 13:07:33 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 13:01:49 -0400 To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Northern Virginia Yuppies At 12:02 PM 7/6/99 , Horkster wrote: >But another part of me is troubled by this. Would the genteel >residents of Fairfax object if Coleman Posersports just up the >road put on a similar rally? Is the issue really noise, or is >it having us "dirty bikers" seen everywhere? The noise makes them look, then they may or may not like what they see. Many people think all motorcycles are loud because the only ones that attract their attention is the loud ones. Whether they like the people or not, no one likes the continuous racket (unless they're part of it). Hell, I got tired of loud bikers on Memorial Day weekend. In front of our house ... back and forth, back and forth .. all day long. Why these people thought I shouldn't be allowed to talk with my wife while standing in my front yard is beyond me. Besides, any rally at Coleman would have signifcantly lower noise levels. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 13:07:55 1999 Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 13:04:38 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: Where to buy?? To: DC-Cycles X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal I heard that Banzai Motorsports has been sold recently and that the deep discounting they used to offer for mail-order is now a thing of the past. True? Anybody have a favorite mail-order house they use that are reliable and not very expensive? To give you an idea of what I'm looking for, I used to be able to buy a Honda-Line oil filter for $6 at Banzai. Please respond directly to me as I'm not on the list right now. Thanks. Todd From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 13:17:56 1999 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Heat Warning and A/C Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 10:17:31 -0700 I believe Arai had an A/C helmet about 8 - 10 years ago - it had a solid state heat pump that extracted heat from inside and routed it to a finned aluminum heat sink on top of the helmet. I saw one at Coleman's on display with a temp probe inside the helmet reading 55 degrees (showroom was in the mid 70s) Cost at the time was about $450 and it was somewhat heavy Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 13:40:54 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 13:39:00 -0400 To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Where to buy?? >Anybody have a favorite mail-order house they use that are reliable and not >very expensive? To give you an idea of what I'm looking for, I used to be >able to buy a Honda-Line oil filter for $6 at Banzai. I've been using Competition Accessories for accessories and BMW dealer parts. Overall, they've treated me okay. Dennis Kirk has some surprisingly good prices, or should I say that CA's prices have risen and DK's seem to have dropped. For Honda dealer items I've been going to MR Cycles in North Carolina, but I hear good things about Honda of Milpitas (that was on the ST1100 list so you may already know about them). yes, I still remember I have t-shirts at your place! Chris From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 14:04:02 1999 From: "Suazo, Tony" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Cell phone bans (final comments - couldn't help it) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 14:02:41 -0400 Dale, >I still think there is a danger that the driver/phone user could >still not be paying as much attention to driving. The only problem with driving with a cell phone in the car is using the little hand held devices that you need to hold to your ear because your forced to drive either one handed or to cradle it by kinking your neck. I've driven in cars with hands free units. There is no comparison. Using a speaker phone in your car is no different than having a conversation with a passenger's) sitting in your car. >You have to really concentrate on the phone call and tune out your environment to really be able to listen >to the call. Ever turn around to a group of people in your car all trying to give directions at the same time to tell them to "shut up"? >I'm sure some drivers are pretty capable of handling a >phone call and a steering wheel at the same time. Some drivers >are capable of handling a car in excess of 150 mph safely, too. >Neither one should be allowed to do that on our public roads, >though. Its too easy to say, "Let's ban this or that" because someone doesn't like something. Ban guns. Ban motorcycles. I don't belong to the NRA, but I do belong to the AMA. Both have the same argument. If you allow passage of legislation to restrict, you open the door for losing your privilege. Obviously, the associations will argue from the opposite extreme. The solution is usually somewhere in the middle. The problem is with the hand held units not the hands free units. Get rid of those like 2 stroke motorcycles, three wheel ATV's, and submachine guns. Sorry for the bandwidth. Slow work week. I promise these will be my final comments on this subject. Tony CBR600 F3 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 14:12:52 1999 Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 12:11 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:You just have to love Northern Virginia Yuppies.( VERY Lo This is complete and total bullshit brought to you by the grand folk that removed Disney from our future here. There are plenty of car dealerships that line Rt 50 in that area that I am sure generate a good amount of noise as well but you don't see them being hassled. And what's wrong with people getting together for a common cause? No rallies? Give me a freakin' break. Hell... if the shop closes we should have the entire list make it a point of holding a rallie in that lot every weekend! Another reason for me to stay clear of East Berlin.. I mean Fairfax City / Fairfax Cnty. Bring the shop to Arlington! With all the loud music coming from every yo-boy's car the shop would a) surely NOT be bothering any residents (how could they be bothered anymore) and b) bring the sweet rumble of American iron back to the county. Tom <--- ok... so I'm having a bad day '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: You just have to love Northern Virginia Yuppies.( VERY Long Author: shephar1@XXXXXX (Ken) Date: 7/6/99 11:23 AM On a personal note, I thought the place stank of a bunch of used car salesman, a nc couldnt give a hoot, but I thought this was funny. Harley noise prompts council rumblings City to consider revoking permit for dealership By ROBERT WHITE Journal staff writer Pressured by resident complaints about motorcycle noise, Fairfax City officials this week moved closer to revoking the zoning permit for the city's 3-month-old Harley Davidson dealership. Taking away Patriot Harley Davidson's special-use permit, as the City Council co uld do after a hearing next month, would put the shop out of business. Council members said they do not plan to take the issue that far, but they agree d Tuesday night to start the revocation process to make clear to owner Robert C. DeHaven that he needs to do something to tone down the noise. "The intent is not to close the shop down or to harm the business in any way," C ouncilman Rob Lederer said. "The intent is to preserve the quality of life for t he surrounding residential communities." DeHaven reacted angrily to the decision, saying he has followed all conditions o f the special-use permit granted by the City Council last May. He acknowledged t he store generates noise, but asserted that should be expected from a shop that sells and repairs motorcycles. A major bone of contention is the noise and traffic generated by motorcycle rall ies, such as the annual Memorial Day "Rolling Thunder" event, in which thousands of Harley riders descend upon the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in downtown Washing ton. Patriot Harley Davidson played host to local riders for the May 30 caravan. The shop, which opened in March on a three-acre site on Lee Highway near Fairfax Circle, also held a grand opening festival Saturday, drawing Harley enthusiasts from across Northern Virginia. Residents complained that parked motorcycles lin ed the streets from the shop to Fairfax High School, a half-mile away. "We don't want someone to turn Fairfax City into a mecca for cyclists from all o ver the region," said Carl Hemmer, a former council member who lives in the Grea t Oaks neighborhood behind the shop. "[DeHaven] is trying to build Nissan Pavili on East in the middle of Fairfax City." Neighbors have lodged dozens of complaints with council members, and several spo ke out against the shop at Tuesday's council meeting. In response, the council v oted 5-0 to begin the process of revoking DeHaven's permit. To get approval for his 20,000-square-foot shop, DeHaven agreed to hold no more than six rallies a year, restrict the store's hours of operations and build abou t $100,000 of ancillary improvements in the area, including a pedestrian bridge over a nearby creek. DeHaven, a lifelong Harley rider who in 1981 founded Quality Systems Inc., a Fai rfax high-technology firm, said the city's actions are puzzling because the moto rcycle shop has never been accused of violating the terms of the agreement. "You'd think there'd be some due process here, where they inform you that you're in violation [of the permit] and say, `You either cure this or we're going to r evoke your permit,'" he said. "I've never been cited for being in violation of a nything." DeHaven has 10 days to protest Tuesday's decision and said he will do so. An app eal would lead to a July 27 public hearing before the council. Council members said they hope to work out a solution to the noise problem befor e then. Several of them said yesterday they will ask DeHaven to find another sit e to stage rallies or consider limiting him to just one or two events a year. "What I would like to see is curtailing the noise and the number of rallies and open houses that he intends to hold," said Councilman Scott Silverthorne, who st rongly supported the Harley shop last year as part of the city's redevelopment o f the Lee Highway area. "Six [rallies] a year is a lot. They have the big one on Memorial Day, and I'm n ot so certain they need more than that." DeHaven said he understands the noise concerns but does not favor reducing the n umber of rallies, which he said are an integral part of any Harley Davidson deal ership. "Not only are they typical, they are mandated by the motor company," he said. "Y ou have to be able to do some of these things." Saturday's grand opening, which featured live music and free food, raised more t han $16,000 for charity, DeHaven said. "We're being good corporate neighbors," he added. The shop is one of only a handful of Harley Davidson dealerships in the Washingt on area. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken S. ICQ# 32289311 HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 15:08:55 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 15:07:30 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Mayor's response to Harley letter.... Cc: jfrankli@XXXXXX Added bonus - he cc'd all of the council members. >From: jmason@XXXXXX >X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.30.00.7 >Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 15:04:41 -0400 >To: >Cc: , , , > , , > , >Subject: RE: Harley Davidson Dealership > >Mike Troutman - > >Thank you for your note. It is important to understand that the Council >does perceive that the conditions associated with the Special Use Permit >(SUP) were violated. For example, one condition prohibited activities prior >to 9 am; the city has cited the dealership for violating this. > >Nevertheless, we are anxious to resolve the neighbors' concerns in a manner >that will be satisfactory to both the dealership and the neighbors. >Hopefully, this will be accomplished before the end of the month. > >John Mason >Mayor >City of Fairfax > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mike Troutman [mailto:mtroutma@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 12:23 PM >> To: John Mason >> Subject: Harley Davidson Dealership >> >> >> Mayor Mason - >> >> I am sure you aware that the City Council is debating whether or not to >> take away the zoning approval for the Harley Davidson dealership >> in Fairfax >> City. I am not a Harley Davidson rider, nor do I patronize that >> particular >> dealership, but I urge you to help this commercial enterprise to continue >> serving the public. The owner has stayed well within his limits, as >> imposed by the council. To now change the rules is completely unfair, and >> unjustified. >> >> All of the bikers that roll into town for service and rallies spend their >> money at local businesses - whether eating or just buying gasoline. Don't >> let the media's negative portrayal of bikers close this business. We >> aren't quite what the movies have us pegged as. >> >> _________________________________________ >> Michael J. Troutman >> Network Development Manager >> Wheat International Communications Corporation >> Reston, Virginia >> 703.262.9172 dir >> 703.262.9130 fax >> >> >> > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 15:10:23 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 15:07:36 -0400 To: "'DC Cycles'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Cell phone bans (final comments - couldn't help it) >The only problem with driving with a cell phone in the car is using the >little hand held devices that you need to hold to your ear because your >forced to drive either one handed or to cradle it by kinking your neck. >I've driven in cars with hands free units. There is no comparison. Using a >speaker phone in your car is no different than having a conversation with a >passenger's) sitting in your car. Except the passengers can see what's going on, and would expect you to ignore them at certain times (idiots involved in auto-follies ahead of you). The people on the other end of the phone conversation don't know that, and think they've lost touch with you. I've experienced this several times when driving a radio-dispatched car -- I'd have to drop the mike and steer around the obstacle(s) while listening to the dispatcher say "hello" ... "hello" ... "are you there?" Now imagine doing that with a customer or your boss on the line - sure it can be done, but there's a natural reluctance to do so. > >You have to really concentrate on the phone call and tune out your >environment to really be able to listen >to the call. > >Ever turn around to a group of people in your car all trying to give >directions at the same time to tell them to "shut up"? Sure. Ever done that to your boss on the phone, or a customer, or someone who doesn't know you're in your car (they can't see you, after all). >Its too easy to say, "Let's ban this or that" because someone doesn't like >something. Ban guns. Ban motorcycles. Quite right. The problem is two-fold -- getting people to realize they aren't perfect, and getting them to do something about it. So many people are causing so many problems by trying to talk on a phone and drive at the same time that other people want to restrict them. The proposed legislation wouldn't exist if cell phone drivers didn't cause problems. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 15:13:15 1999 From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 15:08:58 -0400 Subject: RE: Heat Warning and A/C Content-Disposition: inline I believe Arai had an A/C helmet about 8 - 10 years ago - it had a solid state heat pump that extracted heat from inside and routed it to a finned aluminum heat sink on top of the helmet. \ Yes I had a friend who put a deposit down on one and was never able to take delivery on it. Apparently they were never able to get the bugs worked out on the thing. Too bad since it was a "cool" idea. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 15:30:16 1999 From: "Suazo, Tony" To: "'jmason@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'PatriotHD@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" , "'Suazo, Lori (Work)'" Subject: Patriot Harley Davidson Dealership Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 15:12:15 -0400 Dear Mayor Mason, I recently found out that the council is planning to hold a hearing to determine whether or not to revoke the special use permit from Patriot Harley Davidson. I am surprised that the council would consider going to such extreme measures without perusing other alternatives. I am a resident of Vienna, and I am a motorcycling enthusiast. Although I do not own a Harley Davidson motorcycle, I am a member of the American Motorcyclist Association http://www.ama-cycle.org/, and I vote. I live in close proximity to the dealership, and I have noticed a larger volume of motorcycles in the area. I welcome this. I believe the presence of additional motorcycles in the neighborhood helps to increase car driver awareness of motorcycles. Since the opening of the dealership, I feel safer driving in my neighborhood and neighboring communities. I think that the noise level generated on a day by day basis would not be more excessive than the sounds of passing dump trucks or the roaring music from some passing vehicles. Living by Oakton High school, I would not think that these levels would be more than those generated by the Fairfax High School marching band or their sports announcement system. I'm sure that the day to day operation of the dealership is not the problem. It seems that the council is acting on complaints from rallies sponsored by the dealership which are only held a few times a year. The noise levels that are causing the complaints are coming from a small number of motorcycles with modified pipes. I'm certain that laws are already on the books that address acceptable noise levels generated by moving vehicles. I'm certain that these could be enforced by the Fairfax police. I'm certain that these citations would generate additional revenue for both the City of Fairfax and Fairfax County. And, I'm certain that this enforcement would reduce the number of violators as effectively as the cameras used to deter red light runners at nearby Fairfax Circle. Please do not take any action to revoke the special use permit from Patriot Harley Davidson until other alternatives to resolve the noise complaints have been exhausted. I thank you in advance for supporting the motorcycling community. Sincerely, Martin A. Suazo Vienna, VA From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 16:06:31 1999 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:06:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C I know how you feel. I wore my 1/2 shell for the first time in about 9 years. The wind noise sure does get loud when you're going over 45mph, but the peripheral vision benefits over a full face helmet are quite an eye opener. On Tue, 6 Jul 1999 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > yeah! this might actually get me into leathers when it's this hot instead of > riding around like an idiot with nothing but a 3/4 helmet and some fingerless > gloves :D > > Marcy ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 16:15:43 1999 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:15:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Northern Virginia Yuppies I would be more then happy to sign any petitiosns that would shut down Colemann Power Sport. Hell, they don't even have to hold a rally. Dirty Bikers? That wasn't dirt that was InstaDirt new from Revlon. On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Horkster wrote: > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Ken" > Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:23:45 -0400 > > >On a personal note, I thought the place stank of a bunch of used car > >salesman, anc couldnt give a hoot, but I thought this was funny. > >Harley noise prompts council rumblings > > > > > >City to consider revoking permit for dealership > > Part of me wants to cheer because the "Loud Pipes Save Lives" > crowd is really hurting themselves here by threatening the > existence of a new Dealership. Bikes that are annoyingly loud > cause problems just like this. > > But another part of me is troubled by this. Would the genteel > residents of Fairfax object if Coleman Posersports just up the > road put on a similar rally? Is the issue really noise, or is > it having us "dirty bikers" seen everywhere? > > Horkster, worried a little bit > > > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR > 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) > > "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet > sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." > - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 16:24:38 1999 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 15:59:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-9 X-Juno-Att: 0 From: Louis E Tweed I am looking for a small 12volt a/c unit to use with a motorcycle camping trailer. Any ideas? Someone told me that such a device was used or offered aftermarket for VW beetles but I have had no luck finding one. Louis >bike A/C. Anyone ever tried it? Small A/C compressor pumping cool >air >through a tube into your jacket / leathers / jumpsuit. It wouldn't >take >much to keep you cool on days like this..... > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 16:32:04 1999 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:31:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:You just have to love Northern Virginia Yuppies.( VERY Lo Wow, you actually want Disney? You must be having a bad day. I really doubt that car dealerships put out anywhere near as much noise as a bike dealership. On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Tom Zell wrote: > This is complete and total bullshit brought to you by the grand folk that > removed Disney from our future here. There are plenty of car dealerships that > line Rt 50 in that area that I am sure generate a good amount of noise as well > but you don't see them being hassled. > > And what's wrong with people getting together for a common cause? No rallies? > Give me a freakin' break. Hell... if the shop closes we should have the entire > list make it a point of holding a rallie in that lot every weekend! > > Another reason for me to stay clear of East Berlin.. I mean Fairfax City / > Fairfax Cnty. > > Bring the shop to Arlington! With all the loud music coming from every yo-boy's > car the shop would a) surely NOT be bothering any residents (how could they be > bothered anymore) and b) bring the sweet rumble of American iron back to the > county. > > Tom <--- ok... so I'm having a bad day > '86 VFR750 > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > Subject: You just have to love Northern Virginia Yuppies.( VERY Long > Author: shephar1@XXXXXX (Ken) > Date: 7/6/99 11:23 AM > > On a personal note, I thought the place stank of a bunch of used car salesman, a > nc couldnt give a hoot, but I thought this was funny. > Harley noise prompts council rumblings > > > City to consider revoking permit for dealership > > By ROBERT WHITE > Journal staff writer > > Pressured by resident complaints about motorcycle noise, Fairfax City officials > this week moved closer to revoking the zoning permit for the city's 3-month-old > Harley Davidson dealership. > > Taking away Patriot Harley Davidson's special-use permit, as the City Council co > uld do after a hearing next month, would put the shop out of business. > > Council members said they do not plan to take the issue that far, but they agree > d Tuesday night to start the revocation process to make clear to owner Robert C. > DeHaven that he needs to do something to tone down the noise. > > "The intent is not to close the shop down or to harm the business in any way," C > ouncilman Rob Lederer said. "The intent is to preserve the quality of life for t > he surrounding residential communities." > > DeHaven reacted angrily to the decision, saying he has followed all conditions o > f the special-use permit granted by the City Council last May. He acknowledged t > he store generates noise, but asserted that should be expected from a shop that > sells and repairs motorcycles. > > A major bone of contention is the noise and traffic generated by motorcycle rall > ies, such as the annual Memorial Day "Rolling Thunder" event, in which thousands > of Harley riders descend upon the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in downtown Washing > ton. Patriot Harley Davidson played host to local riders for the May 30 caravan. > > The shop, which opened in March on a three-acre site on Lee Highway near Fairfax > Circle, also held a grand opening festival Saturday, drawing Harley enthusiasts > from across Northern Virginia. Residents complained that parked motorcycles lin > ed the streets from the shop to Fairfax High School, a half-mile away. > > "We don't want someone to turn Fairfax City into a mecca for cyclists from all o > ver the region," said Carl Hemmer, a former council member who lives in the Grea > t Oaks neighborhood behind the shop. "[DeHaven] is trying to build Nissan Pavili > on East in the middle of Fairfax City." > > Neighbors have lodged dozens of complaints with council members, and several spo > ke out against the shop at Tuesday's council meeting. In response, the council v > oted 5-0 to begin the process of revoking DeHaven's permit. > > To get approval for his 20,000-square-foot shop, DeHaven agreed to hold no more > than six rallies a year, restrict the store's hours of operations and build abou > t $100,000 of ancillary improvements in the area, including a pedestrian bridge > over a nearby creek. > > DeHaven, a lifelong Harley rider who in 1981 founded Quality Systems Inc., a Fai > rfax high-technology firm, said the city's actions are puzzling because the moto > rcycle shop has never been accused of violating the terms of the agreement. > > "You'd think there'd be some due process here, where they inform you that you're > in violation [of the permit] and say, `You either cure this or we're going to r > evoke your permit,'" he said. "I've never been cited for being in violation of a > nything." > > DeHaven has 10 days to protest Tuesday's decision and said he will do so. An app > eal would lead to a July 27 public hearing before the council. > > Council members said they hope to work out a solution to the noise problem befor > e then. Several of them said yesterday they will ask DeHaven to find another sit > e to stage rallies or consider limiting him to just one or two events a year. > > "What I would like to see is curtailing the noise and the number of rallies and > open houses that he intends to hold," said Councilman Scott Silverthorne, who st > rongly supported the Harley shop last year as part of the city's redevelopment o > f the Lee Highway area. > > "Six [rallies] a year is a lot. They have the big one on Memorial Day, and I'm n > ot so certain they need more than that." > > DeHaven said he understands the noise concerns but does not favor reducing the n > umber of rallies, which he said are an integral part of any Harley Davidson deal > ership. > > "Not only are they typical, they are mandated by the motor company," he said. "Y > ou have to be able to do some of these things." > > Saturday's grand opening, which featured live music and free food, raised more t > han $16,000 for charity, DeHaven said. > > "We're being good corporate neighbors," he added. > > The shop is one of only a handful of Harley Davidson dealerships in the Washingt > on area. > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Ken S. > ICQ# 32289311 > HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger > HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager > kshephard@XXXXXX > 1996 XLH 1200 > Ride Safe > Inwood, WV > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 16:56:53 1999 X-Originating-IP: [206.229.31.22] Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman To: horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Northern Virginia Yuppies Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 13:56:14 PDT >From: "Horkster" >Part of me wants to cheer because the "Loud Pipes Save Lives" >crowd is really hurting themselves here by threatening the >existence of a new Dealership. Bikes that are annoyingly loud >cause problems just like this. > >But another part of me is troubled by this. Would the genteel >residents of Fairfax object if Coleman Posersports just up the >road put on a similar rally? Is the issue really noise, or is >it having us "dirty bikers" seen everywhere? > >Horkster, worried a little bit Don't worry about it. As was stated in the article, no one has accused him of violating the terms of the agreement that allowed him to get his dealership, it's just that as in the case of drivers using cell phones, there are unintended consequences of every action. Once such an unintended consequence shows, government finds it easier to ban the action which created the consequence rather than acting upon the problem. In other words, ban cell phones in cars rather than reckless driving. Ban the dealership rather than enforcing existing laws against disturbing the peace. Require helmets, seat belts and mandatory training so that government can afford to pick up the bill for injuries that individuals brought upon themselves through stupidity. Put up a sign indicating an additional $200 fine for speeding, rather than actually enforcing the limit. It is all of a piece. There should be few laws but they should be enforced vigorously. Leon. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 17:03:52 1999 Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 17:03:40 -0400 Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C From: "Charles L. Rosen" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX You could always try what I just saw in Madison WI. Shorts. Thats it. No shirt, no gloves, no shoes, no helmet. He was one of the "I live in the gym types". I guess all that bulked up muscle will protect your bones when you crash. (he was zipping along on a new ZX-9). Hope he or a friend never gets wheeled into my ER. -charles ---------- >From: Troutman >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C >Date: Tue, Jul 6, 1999, 10:48 AM > >At 10:43 AM 7/6/99 , ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >>Is this something that is actually available? Never heard of it. Sounds >>like a good idea to me. More info please. :-) > >This is a bit more of a dream than a reality, but I don't see why it >wouldn't be doable. I will start my quest for small a/c compressors today.... > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 17:11:53 1999 From: "Suazo, Tony" To: "'DC Cycles'" , "'Suazo, Lori (Home)'" Subject: FW: Patriot Harley Davidson Dealership (Reply from the Mayor) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:10:43 -0400 No shocking news. It appears that all fingers point to the dealership. Therefore, I can go to Hooter's down the street, get stupid drunk, make all the noise in the world in the parking lot, and Hooter's would get fined. Right? I'll call you from jail. Oh, well. At least I got a reply. Tony -----Original Message----- From: jmason@XXXXXX [mailto:jmason@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 4:40 PM To: SuazoT@XXXXXX Cc: sharchap@XXXXXX; lederer@XXXXXX; RSisson@XXXXXX; SSilverthorne@XXXXXX; GRasmussen@XXXXXX; JGreenfield@XXXXXX; TCoughlan@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Patriot Harley Davidson Dealership Martin Suazo - Thank you for your note. Please understand that the city has cited Patriot Harley Davidson for violation(s) of the special use permit (SUP) and city code (noise ordinance). The city has a legal obligation to ensure conformance with these requirements. We are working with Bob DeHaven, the adjacent neighbors, and the staff to resolve the neighbors' concerns. I am hopeful that we will develop a solution before July 27. John Mason Mayor City of Fairfax From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 18:01:12 1999 From: "George Howell" To: "Suazo, Tony" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Cell phone bans Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:47:57 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Go to a Wing rally. There are already products to tie your cell phone into your am/fm/cb stereo-casette intercom. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > How can we turn this into a motorcycle related topic? When will > the helmets > with built in phone systems be offered? Of course, I'd hate to forget to > turn the phone system off and receive a call in the middle of a > turn on 211. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 18:18:02 1999 From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 18:15:08 EDT Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Think you might need a few other things like evaporator, condenser, expansion valve,Etc,Etc. :-) Bob From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 18:41:03 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 18:26:14 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Northern Virginia Yuppies At 01:56 PM 7/6/99 -0700, Leon Begeman wrote: >Once such an unintended consequence shows, government finds it easier to ban >the action which created the consequence rather than acting upon the problem. > >It is all of a piece. There should be few laws but they should be enforced >vigorously. I think the problem is the cost of enforcement. Look at the frantic, obsessive efforts by anti-helmet law foes -- they've been very effective at picking apart the law(s), and engaging in civil disobedience. Look at the advice on how to beat a radar speeding ticket - is the radar unit calibrated, when, by whom, is the officer trained, when, by whom, etc. Now the police have to go out and buy sound measuring devices? And set up a controlled situation to measure the sound level, and the unit must be calibrated and the officers must be trained ... sure. With taxes being cut so we can't even have enough police officers, no municipality is going to spend extra money to enforce noise laws from a small minority of the population -- they're just going to ban the bikes. loud pipes get bikes banned, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 18:41:08 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 18:20:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C 12 volts just isn't enough to get much cooling out of. A good example of this is the Peltier-effect coolers to put in your car. Plug it into the cigarette lighter and it can cool only a 6-pack, even if left on overnight. It might help some, but it's not like plugging into 115 volts at 15 amps. Chris Norloff At 03:59 PM 7/6/99 -0400, Louis E Tweed wrote: >I am looking for a small 12volt a/c unit to use with a motorcycle camping >trailer. Any ideas? Someone told me that such a device was used or >offered aftermarket for VW beetles but I have had no luck finding one. >Louis > > >bike A/C. Anyone ever tried it? Small A/C compressor pumping cool > >air > >through a tube into your jacket / leathers / jumpsuit. It wouldn't > >take > >much to keep you cool on days like this..... > > >___________________________________________________________________ >Get the Internet just the way you want it. >Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! >Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 20:07:10 1999 From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 20:05:31 EDT Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX For some reason, the only thing I can picture is the astronauts carrying those portable A/C units with them. Hmm.... maybe strap the A/C unit to the tank in place of a tank bag? Then again, if Marcy is gonna ride with only a 3/4 helmet on, then I'm gonna be sweating (or is that drooling?) anyways. ;) Rob VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 08:03:52 1999 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 8:02 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: Northern Virginia Yuppies Actually, the local police do have sound measuring equipment in the form of a hand held decibel meter, especially Alexandria. I have issues about the whole loud pipe thing but I'll hold my tongue except for this... loud pipes do not get bikes banned (or even cause a real problem), it's the idiot riding it that does... a whole other issue. I would say that my VFR is in the top ten of loudest bikes on the list but you don't see anyone complaining about me or my bike. Why? Because I control the noise coming off of my bike. Anyway... another bad day is starting.... Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: Northern Virginia Yuppies Author: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) Date: 7/6/99 6:26 PM At 01:56 PM 7/6/99 -0700, Leon Begeman wrote: >Once such an unintended consequence shows, government finds it easier to ban >the action which created the consequence rather than acting upon the problem. > >It is all of a piece. There should be few laws but they should be enforced >vigorously. I think the problem is the cost of enforcement. Look at the frantic, obsessive efforts by anti-helmet law foes -- they've been very effective at picking apart the law(s), and engaging in civil disobedience. Look at the advice on how to beat a radar speeding ticket - is the radar unit calibrated, when, by whom, is the officer trained, when, by whom, etc. Now the police have to go out and buy sound measuring devices? And set up a controlled situation to measure the sound level, and the unit must be calibrated and the officers must be trained ... sure. With taxes being cut so we can't even have enough police officers, no municipality is going to spend extra money to enforce noise laws from a small minority of the population -- they're just going to ban the bikes. loud pipes get bikes banned, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 08:49:55 1999 From: "Carver, John M, BGM" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Dare I start this thread?? Was--> Cellphone Ban Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 08:49:23 -0400 Maybe . . . I think there is a major difference when you (Horkster) speak of freedom of choice. To the best of my knowledge, it has been *proven* that using a cell phone while driving diverts your attention from the obvious task of operating your motor vehicle. In contrast, failure to utilize a helmet does nothing to prevent accidents as far as I know. The difference is clear. Unlike the other post about "Peeling the Onion" it is not the governments responsibility to protect me from my stupidity. If that were the case, then they should have someone in my house constantly watching me so I don't do anything "unsafe". I think if the "liberals" have their way, we'll all be wearing helmets 24 hours a day. Even the child bicycle laws are laughable. I can't tell you how many times I've been out bicycling and seen kids wearing the helmet but either the strap is not connected together or it's so loose, it won't do any good. More and more I become convinced that anything the government touches turns to sh*%. There was a time when "the government" was . .by the people FOR the people. READ: Your neighbor was/is the government. It doesn't seem that way now. MOTORCYCLE CONTENT: (breathe a sigh of relief!!) Has anyone seen the new motorcyclist yet? Yamaha *may* make a sport/touring bike with the R-1 engine detuned for torque. It is supposed to weigh in at 440lbs. w/ shaft drive!! I will definitely be tempted if this bike is actually produced. Oh, and it has 110 horsepower. At 440 lbs., I would have to see it to believe it. There's also the question of the engine's smoothness. Hmmm. That's what makes bikes so much better than cars . . .they're not boring :-). John 98VFR From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 09:11:17 1999 From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 09:07:23 -0400 Subject: Re: FW: Patriot Harley Davidson Dealership (Reply from the Mayor) To: jmason@XXXXXX, "Suazo, Tony" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" , "'Suazo, Lori (Home)'" Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Mayor Mason, Regarding your e-mail response to Mr. Suazo: Mr. DeHaven was quoted in a recent news article as stating that he has not violated any of the requirements of his special use permit. Could you please clarify which violations have occurred? Note: I am not talking about noise ordinances (of which Mr. DeHaven has questionable responsibility) but rather the specific special use permit. In addition, it is my hope that you will review the existing laws and their enforcement before attempting to ban a business that is not only good for the economy of Fairfax, but also provides valuable charitable and communal activities to the residents of our area, Thanks you for your attention to this matter, Chris Meier -----Original Message----- From: jmason@XXXXXX [mailto:jmason@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 4:40 PM To: SuazoT@XXXXXX Cc: sharchap@XXXXXX; lederer@XXXXXX; RSisson@XXXXXX; SSilverthorne@XXXXXX; GRasmussen@XXXXXX; JGreenfield@XXXXXX; TCoughlan@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Patriot Harley Davidson Dealership Martin Suazo - Thank you for your note. Please understand that the city has cited Patriot Harley Davidson for violation(s) of the special use permit (SUP) and city code (noise ordinance). The city has a legal obligation to ensure conformance with these requirements. We are working with Bob DeHaven, the adjacent neighbors, and the staff to resolve the neighbors' concerns. I am hopeful that we will develop a solution before July 27. John Mason Mayor City of Fairfax ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 09:12:19 1999 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 9:11 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Was: Dare I start this thread?? Now: Aug. Motorcyclist Speaking of the Aug. issue of Motorcyclist... ching, ching to Joe Nagy, his wife, AND his RD400 for making into the Reader Comments section of the magazine! Was way cool seeing a fellow list member's name in the magazine! Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Dare I start this thread?? Was--> Cellphone Ban Author: jcarver@XXXXXX (Carver; John M; BGM) Date: 7/7/99 8:49 AM Maybe . . . I think there is a major difference when you (Horkster) speak of freedom of choice. To the best of my knowledge, it has been *proven* that using a cell phone while driving diverts your attention from the obvious task of operating your motor vehicle. In contrast, failure to utilize a helmet does nothing to prevent accidents as far as I know. The difference is clear. Unlike the other post about "Peeling the Onion" it is not the governments responsibility to protect me from my stupidity. If that were the case, then they should have someone in my house constantly watching me so I don't do anything "unsafe". I think if the "liberals" have their way, we'll all be wearing helmets 24 hours a day. Even the child bicycle laws are laughable. I can't tell you how many times I've been out bicycling and seen kids wearing the helmet but either the strap is not connected together or it's so loose, it won't do any good. More and more I become convinced that anything the government touches turns to sh*%. There was a time when "the government" was . .by the people FOR the people. READ: Your neighbor was/is the government. It doesn't seem that way now. MOTORCYCLE CONTENT: (breathe a sigh of relief!!) Has anyone seen the new motorcyclist yet? Yamaha *may* make a sport/touring bike with the R-1 engine detuned for torque. It is supposed to weigh in at 440lbs. w/ shaft drive!! I will definitely be tempted if this bike is actually produced. Oh, and it has 110 horsepower. At 440 lbs., I would have to see it to believe it. There's also the question of the engine's smoothness. Hmmm. That's what makes bikes so much better than cars . . .they're not boring :-). John 98VFR From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 09:19:37 1999 From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 09:18:53 EDT Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX um.......did I mention I'd also be wearing pants and a shirt? ;D (sorry!) LOL Marcy In a message dated 7/6/99 8:13:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, NJitzul@XXXXXX writes: << Then again, if Marcy is gonna ride with only a 3/4 helmet on, then I'm gonna be sweating (or is that drooling?) anyways. ;) >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 09:23:36 1999 From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 09:22:34 EDT Subject: Re: Re[2]: Northern Virginia Yuppies To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/7/99 8:11:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, TZell@XXXXXX writes: << loud pipes do not get bikes banned (or even cause a real problem) >> I dunno.....seems to me that setting off car alarms as one cruises through a neighborhood is a problem ... I know if that happened where I live I'd be _pissed_ ... fortunately no one has a car alarm in my neighborhood... plus - as a friend of mine living on the 8th floor of an apartment building in dupont can attest, loud pipes prevent sleep and make one late for work ... I mean there's loud and there's loud. marcy From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 09:49:55 1999 From: "Burger, Donald" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Re[2]: Northern Virginia Yuppies Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 09:49:45 -0400 Tom - I have to respectfully disagree with you on this point. Loud pipes can and do get bikes banned. There are many communities, particularly on the West Coast that due to noise concerns, the residents and homeowner's associations have joined together and successfully banned bikes from their communities. From what I've seen and read, idiot riding is tolerated to a greater extent than noise. Most people have a pretty high tolerance for stupidity. My bike is pretty loud as well, maybe not in the top ten, and to keep my neighbors happy I try to minimize the noise as I head off to work at 6:00 AM. No handfuls of throttle until I'm well out of the neighborhood. As of yet I've had no complaints since most of my neighbors get up at the time I leave and use my bike as an extra alarm clock. (I'm serious about this, several have complained of over sleeping on days I've used my car to go to work.) However, if I do get complaints about how loud it is, I would switch to a quieter exhaust system to keep them happy and not start a "lets ban bikes from the neighborhood" issue since there are far more of them than me (being in the minority sucks). We all have the right to a loud bike up until the point it crosses the threshold imposed by the law. Then if we violate the noise limits (like my bike does) bad things may happen and we need to accept our responsibility for our actions. Sort of like speed limits, go to fast, get a ticket. We may not agree with the limits (noise, speed, etc.), but until they are changed they are the law. Don B. Owner of a quiet Honda Hawk who never rides fast ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Zell [SMTP:TZell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 8:17 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: Burger, Donald > Subject: Re[2]: Northern Virginia Yuppies > > Actually, the local police do have sound measuring equipment in the form > of a > hand held decibel meter, especially Alexandria. > > I have issues about the whole loud pipe thing but I'll hold my tongue > except > for > this... loud pipes do not get bikes banned (or even cause a real problem), > it's > the idiot riding it that does... a whole other issue. I would say that my > VFR > is in the top ten of loudest bikes on the list but you don't see anyone > complaining about me or my bike. Why? Because I control the noise coming > off > of > my bike. > > Anyway... another bad day is starting.... > > Tom > '86 VFR750 > > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > Subject: Re: Northern Virginia Yuppies > Author: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) > Date: 7/6/99 6:26 PM > > At 01:56 PM 7/6/99 -0700, Leon Begeman wrote: > >Once such an unintended consequence shows, government finds it easier to > ban >the action which created the consequence rather than acting upon the > problem. > > > >It is all of a piece. There should be few laws but they should be > enforced >vigorously. > > > I think the problem is the cost of enforcement. Look at the frantic, > obsessive efforts by anti-helmet law foes -- they've been very effective > at > picking apart the law(s), and engaging in civil disobedience. > > Look at the advice on how to beat a radar speeding ticket - is the radar > unit calibrated, when, by whom, is the officer trained, when, by whom, > etc. > > Now the police have to go out and buy sound measuring devices? And set up > a controlled situation to measure the sound level, and the unit must be > calibrated and the officers must be trained ... sure. > > With taxes being cut so we can't even have enough police officers, no > municipality is going to spend extra money to enforce noise laws from a > small minority of the population -- they're just going to ban the bikes. > > loud pipes get bikes banned, > Chris Norloff > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 10:10:55 1999 From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Tom Zell" cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 10:00:59 -0400 Subject: Re: Was: Dare I start this thread?? Now: Aug. Motorcyclist Content-Disposition: inline DUH! I saw that too and it didn't even register! YOU GO BOY! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Tom Zell" on 07/07/99 09:11:00 AM To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Was: Dare I start this thread?? Now: Aug. Motorcyclist Speaking of the Aug. issue of Motorcyclist... ching, ching to Joe Nagy, his wife, AND his RD400 for making into the Reader Comments section of the magazine! Was way cool seeing a fellow list member's name in the magazine! Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 10:11:14 1999 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 10:06:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Dare I start this thread?? Was--> Cellphone Ban To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL John Carver wrote: ----- Unlike the other post about "Peeling the Onion" it is not the governments responsibility to protect me from my stupidity. If that were the case, then they should have someone in my house constantly watching me so I don't do anything "unsafe". ----- This is a common argument against helmet laws, and in my opinion misses the point. The fact is that we have many laws such as these precisely to prevent them from harming themselves and they are commonly accepted as being a good thing. We have drug enforcement laws, seatbelt laws, gambling laws, legal drinking age laws, social security laws, and scores of other laws that are designed to protect people from themselves. The point is not that it's not the government's job to protect you from your "stupidity," it's that you just don't like this one particular law. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 10:25:36 1999 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 10:23:39 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, TZell@XXXXXX Subject: Was: Dare I start this thread?? Now: Aug. Motorcyclist -Reply Content-Disposition: inline Wot? Dang, I don't have my issue yet--wonder what I was beefin' about? I vaguely remember shooting 'em a note a coupla months ago . . . could it be that I took issue with their whining about a bike with a handlebar instead of clipons? Joe RD400F (smell bad) 900 Ninja (smell ok) Wife Amy (smell good) >>> "Tom Zell" - 7/7/99 9:32 AM >>> Speaking of the Aug. issue of Motorcyclist... ching, ching to Joe Nagy, his wife, AND his RD400 for making into the Reader Comments section of the magazine! Was way cool seeing a fellow list member's name in the magazine! Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 10:28:42 1999 From: "Suazo, Tony" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Patriot HD Dealership Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 10:27:31 -0400 I want to thank everyone who has replied with encouraging words. Although I don't consider myself an activist, I've certainly come to feel like one. Ironic in a way because I know a lot about sport bikes and very little about cruisers. I guess having a Harley riding father-in-law and a Suzuki Intruder driving wife has had an influence. My writing of the letter to the Mayor was more of a response to Ken Shephard's posting of the news. Having time on my hands - boss is out this week, I felt compelled to write because I really do like seeing more bikes on my side of the beltway with Falls Church being on the other side. A forward from Lee Andrese mentioned to mail a letter in addition to sending e-mail; however, from the link below, it appears that there is no address for council members to receive mail. http://www.ci.fairfax.va.us/leaders.html I think the best course of action would be to continue with e-mails with probing questions like the one written by Chris Meier. The council will be meeting on July 27th; however, I don't know if council meetings are open to the public. However, my guess is that a massive force of motorcycles of any persuasion showing up with load pipes might do more harm than good. Anyway, I guess we'll just have to keep our eyes and ears open. See ya' on the roads. Tony CBR600 F3 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 10:31:06 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 09:04:45 -0400 To: "Tom Zell" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re[2]: Northern Virginia Yuppies Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 08:01 AM 7/7/99 , you wrote: >Actually, the local police do have sound measuring equipment in the form of a >hand held decibel meter, especially Alexandria. Do they actually use them, and can they get convictions in court? I ask because the test setup (distance from noise source, angle from noise source, elevation relative to noise source) is critical for comparing the noise in question to a standard. The noise also depends a lot on throttle opening and engine load - things which can't be tested unless the bike makes repeated, controlled passes past the measuring equipment. It seems that it would be easy to beat a noise violation by questionning the officer's test methodology, training, and the noise meter's calibration. >I have issues about the whole loud pipe thing but I'll hold my tongue >except for >this... loud pipes do not get bikes banned (or even cause a real problem), >it's >the idiot riding it that does. In general, yes. I guess it depends a lot on the pipes and the engine. The Harley I kept for a friend, which was not loud by Harley standards, could not run quietly. Leaving a friend's townhouse complex at 11pm, with minimal throttle to get up a hill, I could still hear the exhaust echoing off the adjacent townhouses - we probably got a few MORE enemies of motorcycling that night. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 10:47:18 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 10:39:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Dare I start this thread?? Was--> Cellphone Ban At 08:49 AM 7/7/99 , Carver, John M, BGM wrote: >I think there is a major difference when you (Horkster) speak of freedom of >choice. To the best of my knowledge, it has been *proven* that using a cell >phone while driving diverts your attention from the obvious task of >operating your motor vehicle. In contrast, failure to utilize a helmet does >nothing to prevent accidents as far as I know. Full-face helmets protect the wearer's face and eyes against road debris, cigarettes tossed from cars, bugs, and the other flotsam and jetsam of street riding. That could definitely prevent an accident. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 10:49:04 1999 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 10:47 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Burger; Donald" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Northern Virginia Yuppies This what I'm talking about Don.... responsibility. You know that your bike is loud and you make all the effort in the world to respect your neighbors by making sure that you tread lightly through your neighborhood. It's the folks who feel the need to make sure that EVERYONE hears their bike that ends up getting bike banned. These are the idiots. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: RE: Re[2]: Northern Virginia Yuppies Author: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX (Burger; Donald) Date: 7/7/99 9:49 AM My bike is pretty loud as well, maybe not in the top ten, and to keep my neighbors happy I try to minimize the noise as I head off to work at 6:00 AM. No handfuls of throttle until I'm well out of the neighborhood. Don B. Owner of a quiet Honda Hawk who never rides fast ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Zell [SMTP:TZell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 8:17 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: Burger, Donald > Subject: Re[2]: Northern Virginia Yuppies > > Actually, the local police do have sound measuring equipment in the form > of a > hand held decibel meter, especially Alexandria. > > I have issues about the whole loud pipe thing but I'll hold my tongue > except > for > this... loud pipes do not get bikes banned (or even cause a real problem), > it's > the idiot riding it that does... a whole other issue. I would say that my > VFR > is in the top ten of loudest bikes on the list but you don't see anyone > complaining about me or my bike. Why? Because I control the noise coming > off > of > my bike. > > Anyway... another bad day is starting.... > > Tom > '86 VFR750 > > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > Subject: Re: Northern Virginia Yuppies > Author: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) > Date: 7/6/99 6:26 PM > > At 01:56 PM 7/6/99 -0700, Leon Begeman wrote: > >Once such an unintended consequence shows, government finds it easier to > ban >the action which created the consequence rather than acting upon the > problem. > > > >It is all of a piece. There should be few laws but they should be > enforced >vigorously. > > > I think the problem is the cost of enforcement. Look at the frantic, > obsessive efforts by anti-helmet law foes -- they've been very effective > at > picking apart the law(s), and engaging in civil disobedience. > > Look at the advice on how to beat a radar speeding ticket - is the radar > unit calibrated, when, by whom, is the officer trained, when, by whom, > etc. > > Now the police have to go out and buy sound measuring devices? And set up > a controlled situation to measure the sound level, and the unit must be > calibrated and the officers must be trained ... sure. > > With taxes being cut so we can't even have enough police officers, no > municipality is going to spend extra money to enforce noise laws from a > small minority of the population -- they're just going to ban the bikes. > > loud pipes get bikes banned, > Chris Norloff > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 11:01:15 1999 From: "Suazo, Tony" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Dare I start this thread?? Now: Aug. Motorcyclist -Reply Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:00:08 -0400 >Wot? Dang, I don't have my issue yet--wonder what I was beefin' about? >I vaguely remember shooting 'em a note a coupla months ago . . . could >it be that I took issue with their whining about a bike with a handlebar >instead of clipons? Joe, Do you recall your wife being in agreement with the phrase, "You Crazy Bastard". Tony CBR600 F3 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 11:18:12 1999 Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:19:14 -0400 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Subject: Re: Northern Virginia Yuppies ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Leon Begeman > It is all of a piece. There should be few laws but they should be > enforced vigorously. I certainly agree with that. Too bad it doesn't work in real life. If we could somehow take care of the burgeoning lawyer overpopulation in this country, whose ability to get people off on technicalities in the wording of current laws is reknowned, then maybe we could get by with broadly worded laws. See how well "Reasonable and Prudent" worked in Montana? Some nut thought that since he was an ex-racecar driver, he could reasonably and prudently pass slower traffic at speeds exceeding 100 mph. With broadly worded laws, too much interpretation is left in the hands of the police officer. The guy got a ticket and fought it, and now Montana is going back to specific MPH speed limits. Anyway, we are getting a bit off topic here. I'll take any further posts about this off-list. :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 11:28:41 1999 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 11:26:21 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, SuazoT@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Dare I start this thread?? Now: Aug. Motorcyclist -Reply -Reply Content-Disposition: inline >>> "Suazo, Tony" - 7/7/99 11:00 AM >>> >Wot? Dang, I don't have my issue yet--wonder what I was beefin' about? >I vaguely remember shooting 'em a note a coupla months ago . . . could >it be that I took issue with their whining about a bike with a handlebar >instead of clipons? Joe, Do you recall your wife being in agreement with the phrase, "You Crazy Bastard". Tony CBR600 F3 Ah yes, Joe the Curmudgeon had the day off, and Joe the Gord Jennings Fan wrote in. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 11:38:04 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 11:37:58 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Northern Virginia Yuppies like this weather On another note...it was an awesome ride in today. Perfect weather with my FirstGear jacket...not to humid....awesome! This afternoon I may get drenched, but it will be worth it I am sure. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 12:02:30 1999 From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 12:03:03 -0400 Subject: AMA Travel - Fall Color Tour It looks like I'll be doing the AMA travel tour of the Blue Ridge Parkway in October (10/10-10/18/99).. I've always wanted to do an organized motorcycle tour, and since this one starts/ends in Sheperdstown, WV I can actually afford the time off to do it. The tour is eight days long, includes nine nights accomodations and breakfast/dinner each day. If anyone would like more info about the tour you can read about it at: http://www.ama-cycle.org/travel/blueridge.html Yeah, I know I could organize a trip myself (for less money as well)... but there's something about letting someone else sweat all the details that's appealing! Plus it's time right before my hell season at work (Nov-Feb), so I'll need the "mental health break".. :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 14:09:49 1999 From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 14:05:50 EDT Subject: front brake sticky...why? To: cb-1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX hi guys: ever since it started to get really hot my front brake _occasionally_ sticks as follows: I apply the brake but I can feel it isn't catching, it seems as though I'm squeezing it in all the way, however if I squeeze again, suddenly the brake catches and jerks me to a stop ... I took it into the shop and had the lines bled and the brake fluid refilled, also looked at the brake pads which seem fine for awhile longer ... any ideas what else it could be? Plus there seems to be less stopping power overall at times ... I almost rear-ended a car cause the bike didn't stop nearly as fast as I'm used to. Maybe I should check the pads again? All suggestions are MUCH appreciated. (feel free to reply off-list if you prefer) thanks. Marcy jinnsinn@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 14:47:31 1999 From: knapik@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: jinnsinn@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 14:47:05 -0400 Subject: front brake sticky...why? Content-Disposition: inline Marcy, it sounds like you've still got air in the line (or water in the brake fluid that's boiling). Has the fluid level dropped since the shop bled the brake? If you "pump" the brake when there's air in the line, you build temporary pressure so the brake works but then after you release it, the air expands and pushes the fluid out of the line so the next time you try to apply it, all you are doing is compressing air again and you have to "pump" it back up to get enough pressure in the line to activate the brake pads again. It could be a leaking master cylinder or the caliper or even the hydraulic line connecting the two. The shop should be able to pressure test the system to determine if a leak exists. This is not a good thing!!! Please be very careful riding until you get it fixed...... better yet, don't ride until you get it fixed. Rear ending a car is not the way to stop. Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 ---------------------- Forwarded by Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM on 07-07-99 02:30 PM --------------------------- JinnSinn@XXXXXX on 07-07-99 02:05:50 PM To: cb-1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM) Subject: front brake sticky...why? hi guys: ever since it started to get really hot my front brake _occasionally_ sticks as follows: I apply the brake but I can feel it isn't catching, it seems as though I'm squeezing it in all the way, however if I squeeze again, suddenly the brake catches and jerks me to a stop ... I took it into the shop and had the lines bled and the brake fluid refilled, also looked at the brake pads which seem fine for awhile longer ... any ideas what else it could be? Plus there seems to be less stopping power overall at times ... I almost rear-ended a car cause the bike didn't stop nearly as fast as I'm used to. Maybe I should check the pads again? All suggestions are MUCH appreciated. (feel free to reply off-list if you prefer) thanks. Marcy jinnsinn@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 15:17:13 1999 From: jnewman@XXXXXX To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 15:15:04 -0400 Subject: Re: front brake sticky...why? CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Have you washed your bike recently? Sometimes the soap / solvents which help remove the grease and road grime can remain on the brakes and rotors impairing their function. This has happened to me both on my street, and dirt bike on several occasions. ( much more often on the dirt bike) After I wash my street bike, or go through a stream on my dirt bike I "scrub" { at least that's I call it} the brakes to remove the water/soap/grime. All you really do is drive around your neighborhood [ or some other area with little traffic ] and gently "ride" the brakes until you feel the brakes progressively begin to grip again. This usually solves the problem... My .02 -John Newman From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date sent: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 14:05:50 EDT Subject: front brake sticky...why? To: cb-1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > hi guys: > > ever since it started to get really hot my front brake _occasionally_ sticks > as follows: > I apply the brake but I can feel it isn't catching, it seems as though I'm > squeezing it in all the way, however if I squeeze again, suddenly the brake > catches and jerks me to a stop ... I took it into the shop and had the lines > bled and the brake fluid refilled, also looked at the brake pads which seem > fine for awhile longer ... any ideas what else it could be? > > Plus there seems to be less stopping power overall at times ... I almost > rear-ended a car cause the bike didn't stop nearly as fast as I'm used to. > > Maybe I should check the pads again? > All suggestions are MUCH appreciated. (feel free to reply off-list if you > prefer) > thanks. > > Marcy > jinnsinn@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 15:21:43 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 15:17:39 -0400 To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, cb-1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: front brake sticky...why? At 02:05 PM 7/7/99 , JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >ever since it started to get really hot my front brake _occasionally_ sticks >as follows: >I apply the brake but I can feel it isn't catching, it seems as though I'm >squeezing it in all the way, however if I squeeze again, suddenly the brake >catches and jerks me to a stop ... I took it into the shop and had the lines >bled and the brake fluid refilled, also looked at the brake pads which seem >fine for awhile longer ... any ideas what else it could be? Squeezing twice to get brakes is usually a sign of air in the lines, or a bad master cylinder or wheel cylinder. That's something to get checked out right away. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 16:28:06 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 16:27:59 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Looking for a link Remember the wild ride video through paris? I have lost the original ftp link. I still have the 5Mb file, but not the 50Mb file and I want to get a copy. If anyone has the file, or the link (no ftp.troutman.org) please email me off-list. Thanks! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 17:04:52 1999 From: "Suazo, Tony" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Parking in DC Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:03:42 -0400 I know this topic has been visited before; unfortunately, at the time it didn't apply to me so I deleted those messages. I would go through the archives, but there is no search capability. So, my apologies to the list in advance. My wife recently started to work in DC at 20th and K Streets, NW. Does anyone know of the following: 1) Parking garages that are motorcycle friendly, or 2) Street parking locations for motorcycles. Thanks. Tony CBR600 F3 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 18:06:20 1999 From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Mid Ohio Vintage Motorcycle Days Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 18:05:35 -0400 Is anyone from our group going to Mid Ohio this weekend? If anyone is cagin' it, and wouldn't mind a passenger, I would sure be interested to hear from them. :) I will gladly share driving duties, and chip in for petrol. Please reply directly to me, as I am on the digest. Thanks very much, Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 20:29:27 1999 From: "Ken" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Tour Master Deluxe Tail Bag Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 20:27:10 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I cant find the 'TourMaster Deluxe Tail Bag' at any of my local dealers, = or even on the net. Anybody know of a dealer on the net/metro area that = has them? Thanks Ken S. ICQ# 32289311 HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 08:10:30 1999 From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Chase? Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 08:07:21 -0400 Anyone know who the person was that decided to run from the park police on the GW parkway yesterday? One of my friends here at work said the Parkway was pretty much shut down past the second overlook point (from the Pentagon). She said by the time she made it up to where the parkway dumps into the Beltway the cops had some squid cuffed and she thinks it was a red Honda. He was wearing all the squidly attire... cut off jeans, sneakers, and a T-shirt. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 08:29:45 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA06228 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 08:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A9B36F501C0; Thu, 08 Jul 1999 08:29:39 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990708082856.00c252c0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 08:30:09 -0400 To: "Suazo, Tony" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Parking in DC Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:03 PM 7/7/99 , you wrote: >2) Street parking locations for motorcycles. I got this faxed to me from the DC Dept. of Public Works, Transportation Systems Administration, 14 January 1997. Not sure how current they all are. This is a good item for a FAQ on a website - someone want to put it up? Chris Norloff ********************************************************************** Parking Tips: 1. When parked in spaces designed for their exclusive use, motorcycles must park in designated areas with rear wheel to the curb. 2. Metered parking is in effect during the hours posted. 3. No motorized vehicle without pedals shall park on islands or sidewalks. 4. Park one motorcycle per stall. 5. Most parking is metered for 12 hours, at 25 cents per hour. 6. Motorcycles may park in metered zones for automobiles providing the parking meter is paid. When parked in spaces designed for automobiles, motorcycles should park parallel to the curb. 800 block Vermont Ave, NW -- 23 spaces 800 block C St. SW -- 10 600 block Indiana Ave. NW -- 6 600 block G St. NW --6 200 block Independence Ave SE -- 9 600 block 2nd St. NW -- 10 spaces 2000 block T St NW -- 10 1300 block New York Ave NW -- 10 1700 block M St. NW -- 31 1400 block G St. NW -- 14 2100 block Eye St. NW -- 10 spaces 1800 block H St NW -- 16 2200 block E St NW -- 9 Unit block G St NW -- 8 1100 block Vermont Ave NW -- 10 1200 block New Hampshire Ave NW -- 20 spaces 1500 block 19th St NW -- 7 1700 block G St NW -- 11 2200 block F St NW -- 6 1400 block M St NW -- 6 300 block Eye St NW -- 14 spaces 600 block E St NW -- 6 900 block 15th St NW -- 12 1800 block Eye St NW -- 9 1300 block K St NW -- 9 1800 block Pennsylvania Ave NW -- 9 spaces 2000 block Florida Ave NW -- 10 300 block Virginia Ave SW -- 10 1800 block M St NW -- 24 1100 block Thomas Jefferson St NW -- 5 3000 block VanNess St NW -- 13 spaces 2500 block 6th St NW -- 10 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 08:39:31 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web301.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.183]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA06407 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 08:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990708123941.6155.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web301.yahoomail.com; Thu, 08 Jul 1999 05:39:41 PDT Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 05:39:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Parking in DC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > I got this faxed to me from the DC Dept. of Public Works, > Transportation Systems Administration, 14 January 1997. Not sure how > current they all are. > > This is a good item for a FAQ on a website - someone want to put it up? On my new web provider (xoom.com) I'm supposed to have unlimited web space, not that I have been actively trying to put it to the test. I wouldn't mind posting an FAQ type document if others would help to build it. However, it seems like it would be better on the DC-Cycles page, but I'm not sure how much room Harry has for that type of material. (Then again, he has archives of DC-Cycles for the past several years, that's gotta take a chunk of diskspace). Louis === Louis Caplan Alexandria, VA 1998 Kawasaki Concours 11th place, Capitol 1000 "Mean Green Scream Machine" Proud Sponsor of Joe Denton http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 08:45:57 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA06562 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 08:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 112DYm-0001yI-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 05:45:52 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 05:45:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: front brake sticky...why? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It may be the pistons in the brakes are dirty. This is not uncommon if you store your bike outside. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 08:48:36 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA06580 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 08:48:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 8 Jul 1999 15:47:53 UT Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 8:45 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Dysart; Glenn B Mr SAM" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:Chase? Message-ID: <19990708084740476-2e5d2f0@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have to confess... it was me... on Jeannette's VFR.... lol Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Chase? Author: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX (Dysart; Glenn B Mr SAM) Date: 7/8/99 8:07 AM Anyone know who the person was that decided to run from the park police on the GW parkway yesterday? One of my friends here at work said the Parkway was pretty much shut down past the second overlook point (from the Pentagon). She said by the time she made it up to where the parkway dumps into the Beltway the cops had some squid cuffed and she thinks it was a red Honda. He was wearing all the squidly attire... cut off jeans, sneakers, and a T-shirt. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 08:59:10 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA06820 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 08:59:09 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id IAA16189; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 08:59:56 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma014801; Thu, 8 Jul 99 08:58:34 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FEJ00C6WYT644@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:00:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567A8.0044C980 ; Thu, 08 Jul 1999 08:31:20 -0400 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 08:56:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Chase? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567A8.00471C44.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL It wasn't me! Honest! Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 (red) Anyone know who the person was that decided to run from the park police on the GW parkway yesterday? One of my friends here at work said the Parkway was pretty much shut down past the second overlook point (from the Pentagon). She said by the time she made it up to where the parkway dumps into the Beltway the cops had some squid cuffed and she thinks it was a red Honda. He was wearing all the squidly attire... cut off jeans, sneakers, and a T-shirt. Glenn ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 09:02:25 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA06915 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:02:22 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA19559; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:03:09 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma018715; Thu, 8 Jul 99 09:01:48 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FEJ00ASMYYTMS@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567A8.00451A51 ; Thu, 08 Jul 1999 08:34:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 08:59:38 -0400 Subject: RE: FW: Patriot Harley Davidson Dealership (Reply from the M To: jmason@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567A8.00476E1A.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Mayor Mason, Thank you for your reply. I am encouraged that you understand the rights of both the business and the private citizen's involved. It is my belief that an equitable solution can be reached and hope that the Fairfax City government will not attempt to pull the special use permit of a successful business as the result of a single violation. I also request that if you choose to enforce the noise ordinance law more vigorously, you apply that standard to all noise, not just on a subset of the population that engages in motorcycling events, of which, the one in question was charitable and designed to honor those who have served in our Armed forces. As a resident, I too have been bothered by noise in many forms, most notably, city construction, dump trucks, and jackhammers. If you wish to invoke the noise ordinance standard, I trust that you will apply it across the board. In addition, I am copying this note (and your included reply to my original e-mail) to a local DC-area motorcycle mailing list. The list comprises some of the most active, involved and responsible motorcyclists I have met. As, I am sure you are aware, communities are made up of many diverse interests. Although I agree that in many cases one individual's rights end when they infringe on another's, it is my sincere hope that you will work with all sides in this situation to find an equitable solution. Please feel free to use this e-mail list as a resource when you or the council need the opinion of the motorcycling community. We too, have a stake in our community, work hard, pay taxes, share the roads, vote, and have children enrolled in the County schools. Please do not forget these facts as you work with both parties involved. Lastly, I would appreciate it if you would inform me of the final resolution to this issue. Sincerely, Chris Meier To: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US@C&L US cc: From: jmason@XXXXXX Date: 07/08/99 12:12:52 PM GMT Subject: RE: FW: Patriot Harley Davidson Dealership (Reply from the M Chris Meier - The City has cited the Patriot Harley dealership for violation of a special use permit condition that prohibites activity for special events prior to 9 am, maintaining that the Memorial weekend rally involved store opening and activity prior to that hour. Secondly, the city has cited violations of noise ordinance. DeHaven has responsibility for noise generated on his property (not on Lee Hy which is public right of way). The challenging task for us is to satisfy both the needs of DeHaven for reasonable operation of his business while at the same time ensuring that his residential neighbors are protected from noise that exceeds city code standards. This is no different than any other situation. The general principle is that noise generated on private property should not be disturbing to other private property owners. I hope to be able to resolve this issue over the next couple weeks. John Mason Mayor City of Fairfax > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > [mailto:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 9:07 AM > To: John Mason; Suazo Tony > Cc: 'DC Cycles'; 'Suazo Lori (Home)' > Subject: Re: FW: Patriot Harley Davidson Dealership (Reply from the M > > > Mayor Mason, > > Regarding your e-mail response to Mr. Suazo: > > Mr. DeHaven was quoted in a recent news article as stating that he has not > violated any of the requirements of his special use permit. Could you > please clarify which violations have occurred? Note: I am not talking > about noise ordinances (of which Mr. DeHaven has questionable > responsibility) but rather the specific special use permit. > > In addition, it is my hope that you will review the existing laws > and their > enforcement before attempting to ban a business that is not only good for > the economy of Fairfax, but also provides valuable charitable and communal > activities to the residents of our area, > > Thanks you for your attention to this matter, > Chris Meier > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jmason@XXXXXX [mailto:jmason@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 4:40 PM > To: SuazoT@XXXXXX > Cc: sharchap@XXXXXX; lederer@XXXXXX; RSisson@XXXXXX; > SSilverthorne@XXXXXX; GRasmussen@XXXXXX; > JGreenfield@XXXXXX; TCoughlan@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Patriot Harley Davidson Dealership > > > Martin Suazo - > > Thank you for your note. Please understand that the city has > cited Patriot > Harley Davidson for violation(s) of the special use permit (SUP) and city > code (noise ordinance). The city has a legal obligation to ensure > conformance with these requirements. > > We are working with Bob DeHaven, the adjacent neighbors, and the staff to > resolve the neighbors' concerns. I am hopeful that we will develop a > solution before July 27. > > John Mason > Mayor > City of Fairfax > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 09:13:20 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA07271 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:13:18 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA01803; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:11:44 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma000256; Thu, 8 Jul 99 09:10:39 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FEJ00DF6ZDJUM@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567A8.0045EAEB ; Thu, 08 Jul 1999 08:43:41 -0400 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 09:08:38 -0400 Subject: Re: Looking for a link To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567A8.00483D2D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I know the movie you mean. I just deleted it from my hard drive to make space. It was originally at ftp://ftp.motorcycle.com/pub/videos but I don't know if it's still there. You could check. They have lots of other short videos as well. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 Remember the wild ride video through paris? I have lost the original ftp link. I still have the 5Mb file, but not the 50Mb file and I want to get a copy. If anyone has the file, or the link (no ftp.troutman.org) please email me off-list. Thanks! Mike Troutman ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 09:17:21 1999 Return-Path: mark.petty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07457 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3GR6H6Q9>; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:11:10 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: front brake sticky...why? Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:11:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain So how tough is it to clean brake pistons? I _think_ one of my front pistons is sticking a little, but I'm not sure. Does it require draining the brake fluid? This is on an '83 Magna, by the way. -Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Hugh Caldwell [mailto:twg@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 8:46 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: front brake sticky...why? > > > > It may be the pistons in the brakes are dirty. This > is not uncommon if you store your bike outside. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 09:19:05 1999 Return-Path: SuazoT@XXXXXX Received: from seg-pdc.seg-inc.com (mail.seg-inc.com [207.96.22.190]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07475 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.seg-inc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:17:58 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Suazo, Tony" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Chase? Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:17:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >>One of my friends here at work said the Parkway >>was pretty much shut down past the second overlook point (from the >>Pentagon). She wouldn't have happened to note what model it was or condition it was in. I'm wondering if maybe that bike needs a new home. Tony CBR600 F3 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 09:24:10 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.114]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07614 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:24:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by wodc7mr0.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgwzd07478; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 13:23:47 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 852567A8.004A31B5 ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:30:23 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Tom Zell" cc: "Dysart; Glenn B Mr SAM" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Message-ID: <852567A8.004A2F61.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:14:17 -0400 Subject: Re:Chase? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Ha ha is right. You would be dead right now if that were the case! ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Tom Zell" on 07/08/99 08:45:00 AM To: "Dysart; Glenn B Mr SAM" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Re:Chase? I have to confess... it was me... on Jeannette's VFR.... lol Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Chase? Author: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX (Dysart; Glenn B Mr SAM) Date: 7/8/99 8:07 AM Anyone know who the person was that decided to run from the park police on the GW parkway yesterday? One of my friends here at work said the Parkway was pretty much shut down past the second overlook point (from the Pentagon). She said by the time she made it up to where the parkway dumps into the Beltway the cops had some squid cuffed and she thinks it was a red Honda. He was wearing all the squidly attire... cut off jeans, sneakers, and a T-shirt. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 09:35:23 1999 Return-Path: schelzig@XXXXXX Received: from cpiserv2.dn.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [207.153.192.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07934 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pc37 (host54.cpi.dn.net [207.153.192.54]) by cpiserv2.dn.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id 3PH69RR4; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:28:35 -0400 Message-ID: <006c01bec946$f4156890$36c099cf@pc37.dn.net> From: "Erik Schelzig" To: "Suazo, Tony" , "Chris Norloff" Cc: Subject: Re: Parking in DC Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:36:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 A good motorcycle-friendly garage is the one near 18th and L (or so). They have a sort of sidewalk type thing at ground level where you can park your bike all day for $3. Cheaper than the meters and you don't have to worry about running out of the office every four hours to feed the clock. Just get on L and drive along (it's one way) looking toward your right. If you pass the bookstore you've gone to far. Crappy directions, I know, but worth the trouble for good parking. See further comments below: -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff >I got this faxed to me from the DC Dept. of Public Works, >Transportation Systems Administration, 14 January 1997. Not sure how >current they all are. >Parking Tips: >3. No motorized vehicle without pedals shall park on >islands or sidewalks. I don't understand this regulation. Go to Europe some time and find motorcycles parked all over the place - to no one's detriment. Why can't you park a motorcycle the same way you can a bicycle? I know ours are wider, but they're roughly the same length. >6. Motorcycles may park in metered zones for automobiles >providing the parking meter is paid. When parked in spaces >designed for automobiles, motorcycles should park parallel >to the curb. Why should we waste the space of other vehicles by parking parallel to the curb, especially when the skill of parking perpendicular to the curb is required in motorcycle-only parking slots. I suspect money-grubbing. Go figure. erik '80 CX500D "Das Beast" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 09:37:33 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07972 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 112EMj-0004Ef-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 06:37:29 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 06:37:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Mid-Ohio 16th&17th Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I know that a group of DC-Cycles folks are going up to the races in Ohio and I was wondering if any sort of travelling plans have been made yet? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 09:53:52 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA08264 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:53:50 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA29049; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:54:40 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma027632; Thu, 8 Jul 99 09:53:12 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FEK00KST1CAI6@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567A8.0049CAEE ; Thu, 08 Jul 1999 09:26:00 -0400 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 09:50:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Mid-Ohio 16th&17th To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567A8.004C1DA8.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Is it too late to get in on this? Are tickets still available? Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 09:59:35 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA08349 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:00:34 -0400 Message-Id: <199907081000.AA2425028@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "DC Cycles" CC: "Chris Bay" , , Subject: Re: Off-road AMA Notice X-Mailer: I thought this bore repeating. The meeting is at 7:30 pm tonight, just up the road from my house. I'll be in attendance, and I don't even have an off-road bike (yet). :) Horkster ----------------------------- Subject: Off-road AMA Notice Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 19:49:55 -0400 From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" I got the following letter from the AMA. As I'm not a Prince William county resident, I thought I would post it to the list. Dear AMA Member: This message is intended for members who reside in Prince William County, Virginia. If you don't live in the county, we apologize. If you do, please share with you friends who ride but don't belong. Many of you will be familiar with recent efforts in the county that would have limited your right to ride a trail bike or an ATV on your own property. These have been stopped for now. And thanks to a new group in the county, the Prince William Off Road Coalition (PWORC), the debate has moved on to the next level! Imagine for a moment that the county has decided that your recreational needs are legitimate and that they want to provide a legal opportunity. Now pinch yourself! Yes, you are awake and this can be a reality. But only if every enthusiast is involved. If riding a trail bike or an ATV is important to you, your family, your children and your friends, you need to be involved in this new effort. The PWORC will be meeting on July 8, 7:30pm at the Prince of Peace United Methodist Church, 6299 Token Forest Drive (Prince William Parkway to Hoadly Road. Turn onto Purcell Road at the first light, make an immediate right onto Token Forest, the church will be on your right). If you can't attend but want to be involved, please call John Meyer (evenings) at 791-2334. John is trying to assemble leadership in every corner of the county. I truly hope you can become involved in this important effort. Sincerely, Eric J. Lundquist, Esq. Senior Legislative Affairs Specialist Government Relation Department elundquist@XXXXXX 614.856.1900 x1225 www.ama-cycle.org From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 10:07:13 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA08547 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id HAA14664 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 8 Jul 1999 07:07:09 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 8 Jul 1999 07:07:09 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Parking in DC Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 07:07:07 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >3. No motorized vehicle without pedals shall park on >islands or sidewalks. I see a loophole here!!! ;-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 10:16:12 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08712 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA24931 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03121 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA26840 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:16:05 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990708101332.01e5b310@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 10:16:03 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Dale City Riders Down Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have no information at all, but a co-worker just came in and told me that two of his riding buddies (Harley) in Dale City went down this week. Both were hit by an 18 year old girl that failed to yield. One apparently looks like a burn victim (severe road rash) the other has lost his arm. When the police arrived to ticket the girl (reckless driving) she said "this is the 3rd time I have hit a biker in two years." No comment from me required. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 10:20:57 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08819 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:20:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id rHURa24566 (3701); Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3c870462.24b60da5@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:20:21 EDT Subject: Re: front brake sticky...why? To: mark.petty@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 In a message dated 7/8/99 9:22:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mark.petty@XXXXXX writes: << So how tough is it to clean brake pistons? I _think_ one of my front pistons is sticking a little, but I'm not sure. Does it require draining the brake fluid? This is on an '83 Magna, by the way. >> In a message dated 7/8/99 9:22:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mark.petty@XXXXXX writes: It is not difficult but time consuming. Using a toothbrush and brake fluid only you brush the exposed part of the piston that will probably have a bunch of caked on dirt/gunk on it. To avoid problems you should clean the exposed part of the piston before changing pads so that when you compress the piston to allow for the greater thickness of the new pads, you don't have the dirty part of the piston in the cylinder. I don't recommend it but on a particularly dirty set of pistons I used turpentine as a solvent once. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 10:33:41 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09016 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:30:57 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB086E@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Dale City Riders Down Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:31:14 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I'll make one... pull the bitch's license. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 10:16 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Dale City Riders Down I have no information at all, but a co-worker just came in and told me that two of his riding buddies (Harley) in Dale City went down this week. Both were hit by an 18 year old girl that failed to yield. One apparently looks like a burn victim (severe road rash) the other has lost his arm. When the police arrived to ticket the girl (reckless driving) she said "this is the 3rd time I have hit a biker in two years." No comment from me required. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 10:45:33 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from alms1.fw.att.com (alms1.att.com [192.128.167.146]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09262 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140r1.ems.att.com ([135.65.202.58]) by alms1.fw.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id KAA07105 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh2.ems.att.com by njb140r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id KAA12423; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh2.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <33VPSYNN>; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:44:57 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B5576@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Mid Ohio Vintage Motorcycle Days Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:33:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Well, I have reserved a rental car, and I'm going to Mid Ohio by meself, unless someone wants to be at my house at 4am Friday morning to tag along. Does anyone near Sterling have a small tent I could borrow? Thanks, Rich (cagin' it) '78 Triumph Bonneville (only 95% back together) '99 Enfield Bullet 350 (top speed = 60mph) Sterling > -----Original Message----- > From: Crishock, Richard M, BGM > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 6:01 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Mid Ohio Vintage Motorcycle Days > > Is anyone from our group going to Mid Ohio this weekend? If anyone is > cagin' it, and wouldn't mind a passenger, I would sure be interested to > hear from them. :) I will gladly share driving duties, and chip in for > petrol. > > Please reply directly to me, as I am on the digest. > > Thanks very much, > > Rich > '78 Triumph Bonneville > '99 Enfield Bullet > Sterling From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 11:09:33 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09672 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:09:32 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 5YGZa17576 (4529); Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8621d122.24b6183b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:05:31 EDT Subject: Re: front brake sticky...REPLY To: cb-1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 15 In a message dated 7/8/99 10:29:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cb-1@XXXXXX writes: << There's no reason you can't do it yourself. >> as soon as I figure out what the caliper is Ross :D ok - I've had ALL kinds of ideas thrown at me: 1) calipers sticking 2) air still in the brake lines even though the were bled and refilled not two weeks ago 3) a bad master cylinder or wheel cylinder (what does that mean???) 4) dirty brake pistons I'm going to wash it tonight (taking care of possibility #4) as it's FILTHY right now, DOES stay outside all the time, and I've been not putting the cover on lately out of sheer laziness ... hopefully that will take care of it ... if not, Ross or Charlie or anyone really ;D, would you mind giving me some detailed instructions on how to check/fix the calipers? (#1) and if someone could explain what is meant by #3 (bad master cylinder) ... then I can hopefully eliminate each possibility and HOPEfully fix the problem before I get into having to take it into the shop again for the brake lines... Thanks everybody. Marcy From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 11:39:30 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA10284 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:39:28 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA17251; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:37:56 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa13578; Thu, 8 Jul 99 11:35:07 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FEK00JIU623ZT@XXXXXX>; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567A8.00532156 ; Thu, 08 Jul 1999 11:07:59 -0400 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 11:32:51 -0400 Subject: Re: front brake sticky...REPLY To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Cc: cb-1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567A8.00557463.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Marcy, Do this imply that it was previously in the shop for brake lines? If so, I would start there and get them to atleast check out their previous work (au gratis) to make sure that they weren't the ones that introduced air into the lines in the first place. --chris To: cb-1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date: 07/08/99 03:05:31 PM GMT Subject: Re: front brake sticky...REPLY --snip-- then I can hopefully eliminate each possibility and HOPEfully fix the problem before I get into having to take it into the shop again for the brake lines... --snip-- ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 11:41:41 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from chi6-1.relay.mail.uu.net (chi6-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.98]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10298 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:41:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by chi6sosrv11.alter.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgwzm08995; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 15:41:29 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 852567A8.0056CCD1 ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:48:05 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Dysart Glenn B Mr SAM" cc: "'DC Cycles'" Message-ID: <852567A8.0056CB96.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:31:58 -0400 Subject: RE: Dale City Riders Down Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Nah, take her arm. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Dysart Glenn B Mr SAM" on 07/08/99 10:31:14 AM To: "'DC Cycles'" cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: RE: Dale City Riders Down I'll make one... pull the bitch's license. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 10:16 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Dale City Riders Down I have no information at all, but a co-worker just came in and told me that two of his riding buddies (Harley) in Dale City went down this week. Both were hit by an 18 year old girl that failed to yield. One apparently looks like a burn victim (severe road rash) the other has lost his arm. When the police arrived to ticket the girl (reckless driving) she said "this is the 3rd time I have hit a biker in two years." No comment from me required. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 11:58:47 1999 Return-Path: brn626@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10678 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brn626 (207-172-78-77.s14.as6.lee.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.78.77]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id LAA13120; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000801bec95b$8193b320$4d4eaccf@brn626> From: "Brian N" To: , Subject: Re: Mid-Ohio 16th&17th Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:04:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Hey Chris, I'm pretty sure you can still get tickets at the gate. Try call the track at 1 800 MID OHIO. I think there are about 6 of us going up. I plan on caging up on Thursday before 5 a.m. I believe the rest are taking bikes. Some of us a staying at the Super 8 in Mount Vernon, Ohio. Hope this info helps. Brian N 96 FZR600 -----Original Message----- From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 9:59 AM Subject: Re: Mid-Ohio 16th&17th >Is it too late to get in on this? Are tickets still available? > >Chris Weaver >'98 VTR 1000 >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received >this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 12:15:48 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11064 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 112Gpr-0007EV-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:15:43 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:15:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Dale City Riders Down In-Reply-To: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB086E@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'ld rather pull her teeth and nails. Anyone see my rusty pliers? On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: > I'll make one... pull the bitch's license. > > Glenn > > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 10:16 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Dale City Riders Down > > > I have no information at all, but a co-worker just came in and told me that > two of his riding buddies (Harley) in Dale City went down this week. Both > were hit by an 18 year old girl that failed to yield. One apparently looks > like a burn victim (severe road rash) the other has lost his arm. > > When the police arrived to ticket the girl (reckless driving) she said > "this is the 3rd time I have hit a biker in two years." > > No comment from me required. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 12:30:08 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11370 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 112H3i-0000jm-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:30:02 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:30:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: front brake sticky...REPLY In-Reply-To: <8621d122.24b6183b@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 1. Calipers usually ride on a rod as the pistons only work on one side. As the piston pushes out of the caliper it pushes on the rotor which in turn cause the caliper to slide away from the rotor. This sliding away motion causes the brake pads on the opposite side of the rotor to provide braking force. In this way braking force is applied to both sides of the rotor. Check to make sure that the caliper can move left to right. 3b, and 4 are the same thing. The calipers have pistons in them that push the brake pad onto the rotor. 3a. The master cylinder is usually located on your handlebars by the brake lever. When you pull the lever you are activatin a little piston in the resevoir which forces brake fluid into the brake line. If any of this is incorrect I'm sure the list will be kind enough to disabuse me. On Thu, 8 Jul 1999 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 7/8/99 10:29:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cb-1@XXXXXX > writes: > > << There's no reason you > can't do it yourself. >> > > as soon as I figure out what the caliper is Ross :D > ok - I've had ALL kinds of ideas thrown at me: > > 1) calipers sticking > 2) air still in the brake lines even though the were bled and refilled not > two weeks ago > 3) a bad master cylinder or wheel cylinder (what does that mean???) > 4) dirty brake pistons > > I'm going to wash it tonight (taking care of possibility #4) as it's FILTHY > right now, DOES stay outside all the time, and I've been not putting the > cover on lately out of sheer laziness ... hopefully that will take care of it > ... > > if not, Ross or Charlie or anyone really ;D, would you mind giving me some > detailed instructions on how to check/fix the calipers? (#1) > > and if someone could explain what is meant by #3 (bad master cylinder) ... > > then I can hopefully eliminate each possibility and HOPEfully fix the problem > before I get into having to take it into the shop again for the brake lines... > > Thanks everybody. > > Marcy > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 13:10:23 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12085 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 13:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 13:09:24 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'todd.b.peer@XXXXXX'" , "'DCCy'" Subject: Where to buy?? Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 13:09:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Todd Peer said, "I heard that Banzai Motorsports has been sold recently and that the deep discounting they used to offer for mail-order is now a thing of the past. True? " They stopped the discounting but dunno about being sold. Also heard that the halt was temporary. "Anybody have a favorite mail-order house they use that are reliable and not very expensive? To give you an idea of what I'm looking for, I used to be able to buy a Honda-Line oil filter for $6 at Banzai. Please respond directly to me as I'm not on the list right now. Thanks." Here's to you and the List cuz I gotta question. Discount Honda: Honda of Riverhead (NY), Contact Information Telephone: 800-955-2925 FAX: 800-258-7195 Electronic mail General Information: Sales@XXXXXX www.discounthondaparts.com Suzuki parts? Banzai was my best source (quicker & cheaper) of new parts for my ancient hulk. enny boddy have a good source for Suzuki parts? I had to drive my '80 GS450E home in 5th gear yesterday because the pin-in-the-lever off-the-transmission-shaft broke; now it's temporarily peened in. Carl in Bethesda (It feels so cool today) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 14:48:38 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14126 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:47:44 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Cc: "'SuazoT@XXXXXX'" Subject: Parking in DC Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:47:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Suazo, Tony confessed, "I know this topic has been visited before; unfortunately, at the time it didn't apply to me so I deleted those messages. My wife recently started to work in DC at 20th and K Streets, NW. Does anyone know of the following: 1) Parking garages that are motorcycle friendly, or" 2) Street parking locations for motorcycles." >From last January: Parking Tips: 1. When parked in spaces designed for their exclusive use, motorcycles must park in designated areas with rear wheel to the curb. 2. Metered parking is in effect during the hours posted. 3. No motorized vehicle without pedals shall park on islands or sidewalks. ($50!! BTDT) 4. Park one motorcycle per stall. 5. Most parking is metered for 4 hours, at 25 cents per hour. 6. Motorcycles may park in metered zones for automobiles providing the parking meter is paid. When parked in spaces designed for automobiles, motorcycles should park parallel to the curb. 800 block Vermont Ave, NW -- 23 spaces 800 block C St. SW -- 10 600 block Indiana Ave. NW -- 6 600 block G St. NW --6 200 block Independence Ave SE -- 9 600 block 2nd St. NW -- 10 spaces 2000 block T St NW -- 10 1300 block New York Ave NW -- 10 1700 block M St. NW -- 31 1400 block G St. NW -- 14 2100 block Eye St. NW -- 10 spaces 1800 block H St NW -- 16 2200 block E St NW -- 9 1100 block Vermont Ave NW -- 10 Unit block G St NW -- 8 (On the south side of G St. immediately west of North Capitol. No meters, just a sign that says Motorcycle parking. LB) 1200 block New Hampshire Ave NW -- 20 spaces 1500 block 19th St NW -- 7 1700 block G St NW -- 11 2200 block F St NW -- 6 1400 block M St NW -- 6 300 block Eye St NW -- 14 spaces 600 block E St NW -- 6 900 block 15th St NW -- 12 1800 block Eye St NW -- 9 1300 block K St NW -- 9 1800 block Pennsylvania Ave NW -- 9 spaces 2000 block Florida Ave NW -- 10 300 block Virginia Ave SW -- 10 1800 block M St NW -- 24 1100 block Thomas Jefferson St NW -- 5 3000 block VanNess St NW -- 13 spaces 2500 block 6th St NW -- 10 Away from the area you're interested in but others might find this useful: There is free motorcycle parking (no meter heads) on C, SW between 12th & 14 behind USDA. In the USDA parking lot on Independence close to 12th On the SW side of the Humphrey building (200 Independence?) the Humphrey building (Independence Ave, SW) has free MC parking on the sidewalk/patio and is sort of covered (there's a roof way up high). It's on the SW side of the building (KR) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 15:29:00 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA14866 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 15:28:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2JYNa18287 (3888) for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 15:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <73990e5.24b655a7@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 15:27:35 EDT Subject: Re: Parking in DC - Loopholes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 >3. No motorized vehicle without pedals shall park on >islands or sidewalks. I think I was thinking the same thought you were when I initially read that....god, that's scary. Thinking like the old man now....what's next?!? -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 16:02:08 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA15488 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA21097 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:01:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Good article Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There's another good article at Interactive Motorcycle. It seems like I've read it before but it was just posted there... http://www.activebike.com/index/features/piv/piv.htm Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 16:02:51 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA15498 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:02:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 95 (207-172-109-60.s60.as1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.60]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA07952; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <019e01bec97d$0da402e0$3c6daccf@95> From: "D. Thompson" To: , "Hugh Caldwell" References: Subject: Re: Mid-Ohio 16th&17th Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:04:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I am not sure if there have been any travelling arrangements as of yet, but it is definately time to start. How about we meet at the resturaunt in Manassas that was the meeting place for the last ride? Time is open. I think most people were talking about leaving on Thursday the 15th. I am riding out and will be staying with Brian. Hey Chris, are you going? I think you can get tickets up to and on the day of the races. Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 ----- Original Message ----- From: Hugh Caldwell To: Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 9:37 AM Subject: Mid-Ohio 16th&17th > > I know that a group of DC-Cycles folks are going up > to the races in Ohio and I was wondering if any sort of travelling > plans have been made yet? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 16:05:30 1999 Return-Path: rdrdr@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA15577 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2j6q4 (209-122-214-212.s466.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.214.212]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA01006 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004a01bec996$2bd7e880$d4d67ad1@m2j6q4> From: "rdrdr" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Md. Lawyer ? Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 15:51:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I have a couple of citations from a car accidenct I had a few months ago. Anyone have a Maryland lawyer they can recommend ? Niv DR650 DC From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 16:26:03 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA15872 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA27687; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:25:54 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990708162512.01ed0b00@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 16:25:52 -0400 To: "rdrdr" From: Troutman Subject: Re: Md. Lawyer ? Cc: "dc-cycles" In-Reply-To: <004a01bec996$2bd7e880$d4d67ad1@m2j6q4> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I know a good lawyer in MD...nice rock climber too. Mark Garfinkel mgarfin@XXXXXX At 06:51 PM 7/8/99 , rdrdr wrote: >I have a couple of citations from a car accidenct I had a few months ago. > >Anyone have a Maryland lawyer they can recommend ? > >Niv >DR650 >DC ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org The author will not be held responsible for anything he says. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 16:27:15 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA15946 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user40.anent.com [208.195.115.40]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id QAA01303 for ; Thu, 08 Jul 1999 16:24:04 -0400 Message-ID: <00d101bec980$440f41c0$2873c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: Good article Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:27:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I think you read it in Motorcycle Consumer News. Fred writes the back page column. Also the copyright at the bottom of the page says 1997. Can you say Post Consumer Recycled Product? Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 4:01 PM Subject: Good article > There's another good article at Interactive Motorcycle. It seems like I've > read it before but it was just posted there... > > http://www.activebike.com/index/features/piv/piv.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 16:46:07 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16290 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA27766; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:46:01 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990708164353.01968470@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 16:46:00 -0400 To: Kirk Roy From: Troutman Subject: Re: Good article Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:01 PM 7/8/99 , Kirk Roy wrote: >There's another good article at Interactive Motorcycle. It seems like I've >read it before but it was just posted there... > >http://www.activebike.com/index/features/piv/piv.htm I liked the article, but read this out of context: "And since the only person I'm putting at risk is myself (and this concept may seem a bit radical to some of you), I actually believe that I have the God-given right to take that risk if I so desire. And besides, I feel great afterwards." and I read it the same way I would read a pro-drug legalization argument. I offer this forth to generate both controversy and list traffic ;-) I'm tired of my vfr list - same topics - 200 emails a day.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 16:48:08 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA16320 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:48:06 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA25368; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:48:55 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma022983; Thu, 8 Jul 99 16:47:05 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FEK00DVMKI42H@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567A8.006FB28D ; Thu, 08 Jul 1999 16:20:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 16:43:39 -0400 Subject: Re: Mid-Ohio 16th&17th To: "D. Thompson" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567A8.0072006C.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Danny, I'm debating it. I'll call up and find out how much they are. What kind of tickets are the rest of you guys getting? Full pit passes for both(?) days of racing or just one day no frills? What are the lodging arrangements you guys have already made? Would there be space for me to share a room or would I need to arrange something myself? Thanks for any info. If I go, I'll be riding up too. The Buffet place in Manassas is obviously okay with me - I live nearby. I'll try to let you know soon. Chris p.s. I recently completed a baffle-ectomy on the VTR's cans. Sounds like a proper v-twin now! :^) (Ducati-esque) You wrote: Hey Chris, are you going? I think you can get tickets up to and on the day of the races. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 17:45:01 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA17306 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 112LyQ-0004xu-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:44:54 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:44:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mid-Ohio 16th&17th In-Reply-To: <019e01bec97d$0da402e0$3c6daccf@95> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Do you mean "The Old Country Buffet"? Where are you and Brian planning on staying? On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, D. Thompson wrote: > I am not sure if there have been any travelling arrangements as of yet, but > it is definately time to start. How about we meet at the resturaunt in > Manassas that was the meeting place for the last ride? Time is open. I think > most people were talking about leaving on Thursday the 15th. I am riding out > and will be staying with Brian. > > Hey Chris, are you going? I think you can get tickets up to and on the day > of the races. > > Danny > '99 VFR > "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." > 1 Samuel 2:30 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Hugh Caldwell > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 9:37 AM > Subject: Mid-Ohio 16th&17th > > > > > > I know that a group of DC-Cycles folks are going up > > to the races in Ohio and I was wondering if any sort of travelling > > plans have been made yet? > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 17:59:14 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA17568 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 95 (207-172-109-60.s60.as1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.60]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA28115; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 18:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <029a01bec98d$4ed360c0$3c6daccf@95> From: "D. Thompson" To: , "Hugh Caldwell" References: Subject: Re: Mid-Ohio 16th&17th Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 18:00:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Hugh wrote: > Do you mean "The Old Country Buffet"? Yes, that's it. My mind drew a blank (doh, like that is news) > Where are you and Brian planning on staying? We have reservations at the Super 8 in Mt. Vernon Ohio, something like 25 miles from the track. OH BY THE WAY, anyone planning on going to Summit this weekend? Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 ----- Original Message ----- From: Hugh Caldwell To: Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 5:44 PM Subject: Re: Mid-Ohio 16th&17th > > On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, D. Thompson wrote: > > > I am not sure if there have been any travelling arrangements as of yet, but > > it is definately time to start. How about we meet at the resturaunt in > > Manassas that was the meeting place for the last ride? Time is open. I think > > most people were talking about leaving on Thursday the 15th. I am riding out > > and will be staying with Brian. > > > > Hey Chris, are you going? I think you can get tickets up to and on the day > > of the races. > > > > Danny > > '99 VFR > > "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." > > 1 Samuel 2:30 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Hugh Caldwell > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 9:37 AM > > Subject: Mid-Ohio 16th&17th > > > > > > > > > > I know that a group of DC-Cycles folks are going up > > > to the races in Ohio and I was wondering if any sort of travelling > > > plans have been made yet? > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 19:03:59 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web303.yahoomail.com (web303.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.185]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA18704 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 19:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990708230415.14551.rocketmail@web303.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.4.241.102] by web303.yahoomail.com; Thu, 08 Jul 1999 16:04:15 PDT Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:04:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Loaner anyone?? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey all... looks like I'll be in town this weekend, but most likely without transportation.....Anyone have a bike I can borrow for the weekend?? (I promise not to ride it like it was one of my bikes ;-)) Also thinking a small ride on Sunday would be nice with maybe a stop out by Summit Point to catch a race or two.... anywho... I'm not subscribed right now, so a direct reply will be needed..I'll be checking mail again tomorrow around lunch before heading out for DC.... Oh yeah.. not sure if Brian or Jeff posted, but I won the Solo20 and B production races and took second in Formula 1 and B Superbike (barely)at Nelson Ledges last weekend... plan to keep the trophy streak alive at the WERA round at Summit Point at the end of the month.... Collin === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 21:15:10 1999 Return-Path: brn626@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA21027 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 21:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brn626 (207-172-58-253.s62.as8.lee.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.58.253]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA10122; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 21:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005401bec9a9$3d2a7040$fd3aaccf@brn626> From: "Brian N" To: "D. Thompson" , Subject: Re: Mid-Ohio 16th&17th Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 21:20:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Hey Danny, it would probably be a good idea if we all met before the races. That way we could plan on a meeting place at the track or wherever. Since I'm caging, I can probably take some stuff up (Ford Probes aren't the roomiest) Anytime is fine with me. See ya, Brian N. 96 Yamaha FZR600 -----Original Message----- From: D. Thompson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ; Hugh Caldwell Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 4:13 PM Subject: Re: Mid-Ohio 16th&17th >I am not sure if there have been any travelling arrangements as of yet, but >it is definately time to start. How about we meet at the resturaunt in >Manassas that was the meeting place for the last ride? Time is open. I think >most people were talking about leaving on Thursday the 15th. I am riding out >and will be staying with Brian. > > >Danny >'99 VFR >"...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." > 1 Samuel 2:30 > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 22:40:05 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22393 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 22:40:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id rIYJa03005 (7823); Thu, 8 Jul 1999 22:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36e00e45.24b6b805@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 22:27:17 EDT Subject: Re: Loaner anyone?? To: gixer_racer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Collin, I'm thinking of going up to Summit with Blue Streak on Saturday (racebike crank and cylinders are still in the shop) but I'm going sailing on Sunday so you can borrow her on Sunday if you can get out to Croom, Maryland to pick her up and possibly return her. I don't carry collision insurance but I know you ride slowly and safely.:-) Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 23:27:52 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA23329 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 23:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (a0203.chantilly.mns.net [206.239.104.235]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA23100; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 23:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37859814.389F@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 23:35:00 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hugh Caldwell CC: dc-cycles Subject: Mid-Ohio 16th&17th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hugh Caldwell wrote: > I know that a group of DC-Cycles folks are going up > to the races in Ohio and I was wondering if any sort of travelling > plans have been made yet? Hey Hugh, The races take place on the 18th too (Sun). I have my ticket already :) Keith Code's California Superbike School is on the 19th and Kirk Roy, myself and a buddy of mine will be there for that too. As they might be leaving for Mid-Ohio hours later than I want, I'm going to leave Saturday early in the a.m. and take my time going out there on scenic, twisty roads. Here is the route that I envision riding out there: Rt 7 --> Rt 50 --> Rt 250 --> Rt. 39 --> Rt. 3 --> Rt.97 --> Lexington. After that I'll trudge on to Marion where we have a room reserved. Anyone have a program that can plot the mileage there real easily? Feel free to send the ride sheet my way ;) This should be a very exciting weekend at Mid-Ohio. I may try to corner work while I'm there too, unless there's some AMA type regulation preventing such... Later, JK (D-mode) N.B. Anyone else going to the WERA 4 hour endurance race at Summit Point this weekend? This is one of my favorite races every year. I may have an entry bracelet available for someone wanting to attend on Sunday. If anyone wants it, check with me off-list. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 23:53:45 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA23706 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 23:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (a0203.chantilly.mns.net [206.239.104.235]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA23365 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 23:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37859E2A.31F1@mnsinc.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 00:00:58 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Whoops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, astute DC-Cycles listers have pointed out to me that the WERA endurance nationals will not be on 'til the end of the month. I was misinformed somehow... Mea culpa. This weekend at SP, it will be CCS Regional Sprints. Sorry for any confusion. JK From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 08:20:51 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f83.hotmail.com [209.185.131.146]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA03125 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:20:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 734 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 1999 12:20:17 -0000 Message-ID: <19990709122017.733.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.229.31.22 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 05:20:17 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.229.31.22] Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX From: "Leon Begeman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: This morning's commute Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 05:20:17 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed It was a fun ride in this morning. I was daydreaming as I passed Horkster's street and past the LEO with the radar gun. I wasn't awake yet and was busy fumbling with my coffee cup, so he probably wondered why a bike was going so slowly. Then on the HOV lanes a Honda Shadow (or maybe a Magna) passed me. Neat, she was wearing a Women on Wheels jacket (and other clothes as well) Ok, so she wasn't Marcy Godiva, but it's always nice to see a woman on a bike. Finally when I got into DC on 12th street, the crowning moment of the morning. I passed Craig! Thanks Craig, you made my day. I split lanes after going throught the 12th St tunnel, then beat a car off the line at the traffic light. Craig was near Federal Triangle when we met. Lane splitting is just another fun aspect of riding. I couldn't split lanes all day any more than I can scrape pegs all day, but a little diversity in riding makes all of it more interesting. Leon. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 08:41:19 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f202.hotmail.com [209.185.130.112]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA03366 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17300 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 1999 12:40:45 -0000 Message-ID: <19990709124045.17299.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.229.31.23 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 05:40:44 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.229.31.23] Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX From: "Leon Begeman" To: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Dale City Riders Down Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 05:40:44 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >When the police arrived to ticket the girl (reckless driving) she >said >"this is the 3rd time I have hit a biker in two years." Glenn said: >... pull the bitch's license. Glenn, you're being much too easy on her. Three strikes and you're out. This ought to involve jail time and a very expensive law-suit. (I make the assumption that she was at fault in the other two as well). Leon. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 08:44:50 1999 Return-Path: Bluice101@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03441 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:44:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Bluice101@XXXXXX Received: from Bluice101@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2PMDa26362 (14424) for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3ae2901e.24b74892@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:44:02 EDT Subject: Re: This morning's commute To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 In a message dated 7/9/99 8:30:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mriderleon@XXXXXX writes: << dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Who is Marcy Godiva??? I was riding a Royal Star and this mornings ride was beautiful. I guess that's why everyone passed me I got caught in my own little world. About time I see some of you DC Cycles people on the road. :) Bluice101@XXXXXX Debbie 98 Red Royal Star From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 08:46:17 1999 Return-Path: matte@XXXXXX Received: from mail.savvis.net (mail.savvis.net [209.83.194.44]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03523 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Nova2.sales.savvis.net (h230-89-217-199.sales.savvis.net [199.217.89.230]) by mail.savvis.net (8.8.8/Savvis_V0.4) with SMTP id HAA04894; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 07:45:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:42:22 -0400 Message-ID: <01BEC9E6.F60D9960.matte@savvis.net> From: "Matthew R. Elliott" Reply-To: "matte@XXXXXX" To: "'mrider@XXXXXX'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: This morning's commute Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:42:21 -0400 Organization: Savvis Communications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's a question for the list re: Splitting Lanes - isn't that basically riding in the middle of two cars in 2 lanes, ie: riding on the passing lines, making a '3rd' lane for the bike? If so (and not wearing any flame retardants today) wouldn't that be considered "squidly?" I've either misinterpreted what splitting lanes is, or my definition of squids is off somewhere. Is it common to split lanes? Matt (who ever so often can be squidly or squirly, depending on mode of transportation) -----Original Message----- From: Leon Begeman [SMTP:mriderleon@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 8:20 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: This morning's commute It was a fun ride in this morning. I was daydreaming as I passed Horkster's street and past the LEO with the radar gun. I wasn't awake yet and was busy fumbling with my coffee cup, so he probably wondered why a bike was going so slowly. Then on the HOV lanes a Honda Shadow (or maybe a Magna) passed me. Neat, she was wearing a Women on Wheels jacket (and other clothes as well) Ok, so she wasn't Marcy Godiva, but it's always nice to see a woman on a bike. Finally when I got into DC on 12th street, the crowning moment of the morning. I passed Craig! Thanks Craig, you made my day. I split lanes after going throught the 12th St tunnel, then beat a car off the line at the traffic light. Craig was near Federal Triangle when we met. Lane splitting is just another fun aspect of riding. I couldn't split lanes all day any more than I can scrape pegs all day, but a little diversity in riding makes all of it more interesting. Leon. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 09:03:13 1999 Return-Path: Cathy.Love@XXXXXX Received: from dadc001.HQ.AF.MIL ([134.205.95.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03763 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:07:29 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: This morning's commute Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:02:51 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) -----Original Message----- From: Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 8:58 AM To: 'mrider@XXXXXX' Subject: RE: This morning's commute Were you the guy on the John Deere Bike? I enjoyed your whole hearted wave this morning as well! In fact, before I read you posting, I commented to a friend about your bike and the nice friendly wave you gave me on the way in. Thanks for making MY Day!! By the way, it's a Shadow! Have a great day. Cathy Love -----Original Message----- From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mriderleon@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 8:20 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: This morning's commute It was a fun ride in this morning. I was daydreaming as I passed Horkster's street and past the LEO with the radar gun. I wasn't awake yet and was busy fumbling with my coffee cup, so he probably wondered why a bike was going so slowly. Then on the HOV lanes a Honda Shadow (or maybe a Magna) passed me. Neat, she was wearing a Women on Wheels jacket (and other clothes as well) Ok, so she wasn't Marcy Godiva, but it's always nice to see a woman on a bike. Finally when I got into DC on 12th street, the crowning moment of the morning. I passed Craig! Thanks Craig, you made my day. I split lanes after going throught the 12th St tunnel, then beat a car off the line at the traffic light. Craig was near Federal Triangle when we met. Lane splitting is just another fun aspect of riding. I couldn't split lanes all day any more than I can scrape pegs all day, but a little diversity in riding makes all of it more interesting. Leon. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 09:05:33 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f79.hotmail.com [209.185.131.142]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA03835 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 39648 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 1999 13:04:59 -0000 Message-ID: <19990709130459.39647.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.229.31.22 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 06:04:59 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.229.31.22] Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX From: "Leon Begeman" To: mike@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good article Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 06:04:59 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed http://www.activebike.com/index/features/piv/piv.htm (Fred Rau) >"And since the only person I'm putting at risk is myself (and this >concept >may seem a bit radical to some of you), I actually believe >that I have the >God-given right to take that risk if I so desire. >And besides, I feel >great afterwards." > Mike Troutman: >and I read it the same way I would read a pro-drug legalization argument. This isn't controversial. It's the basis for the third political party in the US. http://www.lp.org I met their candidate for Chairman of the Board of Prince William County Supervisors last night at the Prince William Off-Road Council meeting. PWORC@XXXXXX Leon. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 09:15:23 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04037 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA04848 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:15:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: This morning's commute In-Reply-To: <19990709122017.733.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, Leon Begeman wrote: > Finally when I got into DC on 12th street, the crowning moment of the > morning. I passed Craig! Thanks Craig, you made my day. Everybody passes Craig, the wanker! :) > I couldn't split lanes all day any more than I can scrape pegs all > day, but a little diversity in riding makes all of it more interesting. For some reason, it only feels ok to me to split lanes in DC and I'm only rarely in town. I certainly wish it was legal every morning as I sit on the beltway in PG/Mont counties... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 09:26:40 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04325 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A88C7A10288; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 09:26:36 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990709091929.00bb6230@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 09:26:21 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: This morning's commute In-Reply-To: <01BEC9E6.F60D9960.matte@savvis.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:42 AM 7/9/99 , Matthew R. Elliott wrote: >Here's a question for the list re: Splitting Lanes - isn't that basically >riding in the middle of two cars in 2 lanes, ie: riding on the passing >lines, making a '3rd' lane for the bike? > >If so (and not wearing any flame retardants today) wouldn't that be >considered "squidly?" I've either misinterpreted what splitting lanes is, >or my definition of squids is off somewhere. > >Is it common to split lanes? Lane splitting is a good way to get through car traffic. However, it's an advanced traffic maneuver that should not be taken lightly. I rarely split between cars which are moving, preferring merely to move to the head of the line at traffic lights. Sometimes I merely use the bike's size to ride down the edge of the road to make a right turn at a light rather than waiting for the cars to move out. Moving at a reasonable (slow) and non-aggressive speed is very important to avoiding ugly incidents, and being able to avoid cars or car doors. In DC, lane-splitting is implicitly condoned by other drivers and police, if done sensibly. In Arlington it's looked on a little less favorably by drivers. Police don't like it at all. In areas farther out, car drivers can go ballistic at the idea that someone would choose a vehicle that can get through the traffic jams created by their SUV's and minivans. Rocketing between cars, or splitting lanes to go 70 through 50 mph traffic would be squidly. Moving up through stopped cars to get to the head of the line, and when the light turns green squirting ahead into the space that cars can get to, is not squidly. America is one of the few countries that actually expect motorcyclists to ride like they are a car. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 09:43:12 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04759 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 112ave-0002Nx-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 06:43:02 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 06:43:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Apollo 12 astronaut Pete Conra... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://www.cnn.com/TECH/space/9907/09/conrad.obit.02/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 09:51:26 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04927 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA01672 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA01977 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA30210 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:51:05 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990709094513.019eed00@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 09:49:41 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Catching Air Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yesterday on my way home, I was on Centreville Road crossing 50 (close to Fast Lanes) and caught quite a bit of air in the middle of the intersection. I was going about 55 to make the light - gunned it a bit - and caught about a second of hang time and a foot of air (much to the delight of the stopped cagers I am sure). My first time off the ground with both wheels (on-road) and had to share. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 10:13:02 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05302 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 95 (207-172-109-60.s60.as1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.60]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA24552 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01cd01beca15$60a36ec0$3c6daccf@95> From: "D. Thompson" To: References: <4.1.19990709094513.019eed00@mail.wheatintl.com> Subject: Re: Catching Air Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:14:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Hey Troutman, you keep that up and your going to make us lowly "sport tourers" get a bad rep. as hooligans and squids like those more pure sport riders.... :) If you want to get some air, follow me out to Summit on Saturday and I'll show you a road that gets you air a couple or 3 times in about 1.5 miles. Yee Hiiiii! Dannny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 ----- Original Message ----- From: Troutman To: Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 9:49 AM Subject: Catching Air > Yesterday on my way home, I was on Centreville Road crossing 50 (close to > Fast Lanes) and caught quite a bit of air in the middle of the > intersection. I was going about 55 to make the light - gunned it a bit - > and caught about a second of hang time and a foot of air (much to the > delight of the stopped cagers I am sure). > > My first time off the ground with both wheels (on-road) and had to share. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 10:29:32 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA05583 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:28:48 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:28:42 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:27:25 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: kirk@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good article -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mike writes: "and I read it the same way I would read a pro-drug legalization argument." I'm with Fred (the author) on this one. The drug analogy doesn't wash--we "prudent speeders" don't burglarize houses, rob people or spread disease in pursuit of our fix. Joe '85 Ninja 900 (which cruises quite nicely at 80) From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 10:38:57 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA05792 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:38:55 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA20212; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:39:12 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma018627; Fri, 9 Jul 99 10:36:53 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FEL00K5PY0Y0O@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567A9.004DCC52 ; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:09:40 -0400 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:34:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Good article To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567A9.00501942.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL The Libertarian party is a great example of a group with a few good ideas and whole truckload of horrible ones. 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From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 10:47:13 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA05959 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:46:37 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:46:32 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:45:18 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dthompso1@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Catching Air -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I was just about to weigh in on that road myself--It's the one between "town" and the track, right? First time I rode to Summit a few years ago, I came upon a coupla squids (new CBRRRRs, Troy Lee helmets, square rear tires, shorts) who were impeding my fun. Right after I went around them, the road dropped out from under me, and I think they got a real good view of my belly pan. HooHah! 'Course it's just not the same in my pickup truck. Joe >>> "D. Thompson" - 7/9/99 10:14 AM >>> Hey Troutman, you keep that up and your going to make us lowly "sport tourers" get a bad rep. as hooligans and squids like those more pure sport riders.... :) If you want to get some air, follow me out to Summit on Saturday and I'll show you a road that gets you air a couple or 3 times in about 1.5 miles. Yee Hiiiii! Dannny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 ----- Original Message ----- From: Troutman To: Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 9:49 AM Subject: Catching Air > Yesterday on my way home, I was on Centreville Road crossing 50 (close to > Fast Lanes) and caught quite a bit of air in the middle of the > intersection. I was going about 55 to make the light - gunned it a bit - > and caught about a second of hang time and a foot of air (much to the > delight of the stopped cagers I am sure). > > My first time off the ground with both wheels (on-road) and had to share. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 10:57:56 1999 Return-Path: schelzig@XXXXXX Received: from cpiserv2.dn.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [207.153.192.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06105 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pc37 (host54.cpi.dn.net [207.153.192.54]) by cpiserv2.dn.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id 3PH69SKK; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:51:18 -0400 Message-ID: <00ee01beca1b$ad9edd30$36c099cf@pc37.dn.net> From: "Erik Schelzig" To: , "Chris Norloff" Subject: Re: This morning's commute Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:59:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 9:47 AM Subject: RE: This morning's commute > >America is one of the few countries that actually expect motorcyclists to >ride like they are a car. > And, for that matter, park like a car. Why the disincentive for motorbiking in such traffic clogged cities such as DC? Erik Erik J. Schelzig 80 CX500D "Das Beast" http://gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~schelzig From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 11:09:27 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06269 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:09:25 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA02148; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:07:48 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma029895; Fri, 9 Jul 99 11:05:51 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FEL000I1ZDFSH@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567A9.005074C5 ; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:38:47 -0400 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:02:50 -0400 Subject: Re: Good article -Reply To: JOE NAGY Cc: kirk@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567A9.0052C59C.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Yes, but others would argue that you're endangering other road users. I don't agree with this, but I'm sure that's the response you'd get. Chris "prudent and sometimes not-so-prudent speeder" Weaver '98 VTR 1000 (which cruises quite nicely at 100mph and above but rarely gets the chance to do it) From: JOE NAGY I'm with Fred (the author) on this one. The drug analogy doesn't wash--we "prudent speeders" don't burglarize houses, rob people or spread disease in pursuit of our fix. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 11:10:41 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06275 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA30421; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:10:36 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990709110949.019ddf10@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:10:25 -0400 To: "D. Thompson" From: Troutman Subject: Re: Catching Air Cc: In-Reply-To: <01cd01beca15$60a36ec0$3c6daccf@95> References: <4.1.19990709094513.019eed00@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:14 AM 7/9/99 , D. Thompson wrote: >Hey Troutman, you keep that up and your going to make us lowly "sport >tourers" get a bad rep. as hooligans and squids like those more pure sport >riders.... :) If you want to get some air, follow me out to Summit on >Saturday and I'll show you a road that gets you air a couple or 3 times in >about 1.5 miles. Yee Hiiiii! I test rode a Kan-a-tuna on the road you are talking about. Just before Summit Point. What an awesome road to live on.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 11:10:46 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06278 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA30418; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:10:35 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990709110624.019db080@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:09:26 -0400 To: JOE NAGY From: Troutman Subject: Re: Good article -Reply Cc: kirk@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:27 AM 7/9/99 , JOE NAGY wrote: >Mike writes: > >"and I read it the same way I would read a pro-drug legalization >argument." > >I'm with Fred (the author) on this one. The drug analogy doesn't >wash--we "prudent speeders" don't burglarize houses, rob people or >spread disease in pursuit of our fix. Hey - I never said it was a perfect analogy. Just read out of context, it worked. I am a prudent speeder and rare squid - I support what he is talking about. But there are serious consequences to going 120 on what you believe is a deserted road. Maybe a bicyclist is doing the same thing, or a hiker. Maybe someone is learning how to drive on that stretch of the road. All possible - and potentially deadly. It is hard to write something off as not affecting anyone but yourself. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 11:12:15 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06348 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:12:14 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA07492; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:12:00 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma002674; Fri, 9 Jul 99 11:08:18 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FEL002AUZHMLH@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567A9.0050B4E4 ; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:41:18 -0400 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:05:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Good article -Reply To: JOE NAGY Cc: kirk@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567A9.0052FF67.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Joe, Just as you have the percrption that the average drug addict is a criminal, so do a lot of people have the perception that the average motorcyclist acts similar to the hell's angels in Hollister. That we run over children in school zones, and unfairly take their tax dollars to pay for our care when we are on life support after not wearing our helmets. Keep in mind that stereotypes in all fashions are usually inaccurate ... --chris To: kirk@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: JOE NAGY Date: 07/09/99 02:27:25 PM GMT Subject: Re: Good article -Reply Mike writes: "and I read it the same way I would read a pro-drug legalization argument." I'm with Fred (the author) on this one. The drug analogy doesn't wash--we "prudent speeders" don't burglarize houses, rob people or spread disease in pursuit of our fix. Joe '85 Ninja 900 (which cruises quite nicely at 80) ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 11:13:22 1999 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06358 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Wade ([12.4.21.59]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA10626 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:13:15 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990709110556.006b5378@mailhost.ncea.org> X-Sender: bernescut@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:05:56 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Cedric Bernescut Subject: RE: This morning's commute In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990709091929.00bb6230@mail.toward.com> References: <01BEC9E6.F60D9960.matte@savvis.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I grew up near LA and lane-splitting was not only condoned there, it was practically required. The nice thing about lane splitting is that is prevents bikes from taking up another space the size of a car. The generally acknowledged rule that I was taught was to go 10 mph higher than the traffic around you, thus if traffic was crawling at 20 mph, you could safely go 30mph. If traffic was stopped, you'd go 10mph, going 20 was considered "squidly" to borrow a term. You just had to be careful because you still face the usual obstacles and a few unusual ones, too (such as a tossed cigarette landing in one's crotch as you rode by a smoker with her arm out the window.) I pretty much understood when I moved back here that Virginia hadn't realized the benefits of lane-splitting and it was definitely illegal here. Is it the same in DC, or is it just ignored? In LA its the opposite of DC in regards to jaywalking, there its a severe crime which warrants a ticket or a couple of hollow point rounds, depending on the severity. By the way, my commute was great today, too. I saw one rider at the end of the Whitehurst freeway, but that was it. I66 is fantastic in the early AM-best argument for HOV ever. Cedric CBR600 Annandale, VA >In DC, lane-splitting is implicitly condoned by other drivers and police, >if done sensibly. In Arlington it's looked on a little less favorably by >drivers. Police don't like it at all. In areas farther out, car drivers >can go ballistic at the idea that someone would choose a vehicle that can >get through the traffic jams created by their SUV's and minivans. > >Rocketing between cars, or splitting lanes to go 70 through 50 mph traffic >would be squidly. Moving up through stopped cars to get to the head of the >line, and when the light turns green squirting ahead into the space that >cars can get to, is not squidly. > >America is one of the few countries that actually expect motorcyclists to >ride like they are a car. > >Chris Norloff >Falls Church, Virginia >1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 11:15:45 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06463 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for trouble.meretrix.com [209.116.254.22]) with SMTP; 9 Jul 1999 18:15:07 UT Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:13 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "JOE NAGY" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "dthompso1@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: Catching Air -Reply Message-ID: <19990709111445724-892d88f@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lenzy and I used to drive that same road with my 340 Duster... nothing like a WHOLE BUNCH OF AIR with a 3000lb. car! Route 9 at night especially past Charles Town is great, too! Not going to be doing anything like that with the new Formula though. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: Catching Air -Reply Author: NAGYJ@XXXXXX (JOE NAGY) Date: 7/9/99 10:45 AM I was just about to weigh in on that road myself--It's the one between "town" and the track, right? First time I rode to Summit a few years ago, I came upon a coupla squids (new CBRRRRs, Troy Lee helmets, square rear tires, shorts) who were impeding my fun. Right after I went around them, the road dropped out from under me, and I think they got a real good view of my belly pan. HooHah! 'Course it's just not the same in my pickup truck. Joe >>> "D. Thompson" - 7/9/99 10:14 AM >>> Hey Troutman, you keep that up and your going to make us lowly "sport tourers" get a bad rep. as hooligans and squids like those more pure sport riders.... :) If you want to get some air, follow me out to Summit on Saturday and I'll show you a road that gets you air a couple or 3 times in about 1.5 miles. Yee Hiiiii! Dannny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 ----- Original Message ----- From: Troutman To: Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 9:49 AM Subject: Catching Air > Yesterday on my way home, I was on Centreville Road crossing 50 (close to > Fast Lanes) and caught quite a bit of air in the middle of the > intersection. I was going about 55 to make the light - gunned it a bit - > and caught about a second of hang time and a foot of air (much to the > delight of the stopped cagers I am sure). > > My first time off the ground with both wheels (on-road) and had to share. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 11:22:15 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06561 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:22:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:22:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199907091122.AA89456762@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "DC Cycles" Subject: FWD: Looking for a Connie X-Mailer: Steve Beck, are you still on the list? Do you still have your old Connie for sale? This guy might know someone who is interested. Good luck! Dale ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Jeffrey Wilt" Reply-To: jwilt@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:01:06 -0700 >A friend of mine is looking for a used Connie. FInances dictate that it be "Pre-94." If anyone knows of a machine in the middle Atlantic states area that is available, please reply to me off-list. TIA. Jeff Wilt COG 3017 Fair Lawn, NJ '92 Black Concours "Shaft" From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 11:26:45 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06606 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A4AE19A023E; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:26:38 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990709110924.00a32ea0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:11:26 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: This morning's commute In-Reply-To: <00ee01beca1b$ad9edd30$36c099cf@pc37.dn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:59 AM 7/9/99 , Erik Schelzig wrote: > >America is one of the few countries that actually expect motorcyclists to > >ride like they are a car. > > > >And, for that matter, park like a car. Why the disincentive for motorbiking >in such traffic clogged cities such as DC? Good question! Don't have a good answer. There's still some incentive to motorcycle, just don't expect a government to recognize the motorcycle's value. I pay less per month to park than many cars pay for one day. And I never get gridlocked. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 11:30:14 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06772 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:30:12 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA04940; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:31:00 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma002148; Fri, 9 Jul 99 11:28:46 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FEM005LZ0FQDL@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567A9.00528FB1 ; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:01:47 -0400 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:26:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Catching Air -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567A9.0054E195.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Danny might be referring to route 230 between Shepherdstown and Harper's Ferry (15 minutes from Charlestown). There is a series of two bumps one after the other and both can send you skyward. Never tried it on a motorcycle, but it was pretty exciting in my old Toyota Corolla! Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 Joe Nagy wrote: I was just about to weigh in on that road myself--It's the one between "town" and the track, right? D. Thompson wrote: If you want to get some air, follow me out to Summit on Saturday and I'll show you a road that gets you air a couple or 3 times in about 1.5 miles. Yee Hiiiii! ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 11:33:49 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06784 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:33:06 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:32:57 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:31:20 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good article -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Well, by "prudent" I'm talking about clear roads, good weather, no one around to endanger. I've often found that "they" who don't like it are the jealous, the ignorant, the incompetent. Speed is bad, no matter what--how dare you have fun with it? In conclusion, "they" can kiss my butt. Joe >>> - 7/9/99 11:02 AM >>> Yes, but others would argue that you're endangering other road users. I don't agree with this, but I'm sure that's the response you'd get. Chris "prudent and sometimes not-so-prudent speeder" Weaver '98 VTR 1000 (which cruises quite nicely at 100mph and above but rarely gets the chance to do it) From: JOE NAGY I'm with Fred (the author) on this one. The drug analogy doesn't wash--we "prudent speeders" don't burglarize houses, rob people or spread disease in pursuit of our fix. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 11:38:11 1999 Return-Path: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06871 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:38:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852567A9.0055857F ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:34:07 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567A9.0054ADBC.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:34:02 -0400 Subject: Re: This morning's commute Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline >America is one of the few countries that actually expect motorcyclists to >ride like they are a car. > And, for that matter, park like a car. Why the disincentive for motorbiking in such traffic clogged cities such as DC? Prabably because most typical government officials and law makers don't have a clue how to use common sense in their decision making. And even if they do know how to use common sense, there is probably some prior rule in place that prevents them from doing what's sensible. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 11:43:16 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06969 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdell15yze (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA00377; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000c01beca22$127f3d20$ce01a8c0@wsdell15yze.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt Senser" To: "JOE NAGY" , , Subject: Re: Catching Air -Reply Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:45:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I did one of the best wheelies of my life the other day at that exact same intersection. It was on the 4th, the day which I rode just about everywhere in Northern Va. I went by Fast Lane Cycles to see if the any one was around, of course they were'nt and so I decided to swing by my parents house (they live in Herndon). At that light, some kid rolls up in his lowered-purple-neon-lights-under-the-car-gigantic-muffler-honda-civic, and starts revving the engine. I, being in an adventurous mood and wanting to show this kid that even his super-suped-up civic that his parents probably bought still ain't s#!t. So I waited, not revving the motor or acting like a squid, until I saw the light change colors for the prependicular lanes of traffic. I must have had a reaction time on the 1/100ths scale, because as soon as the light changed I was gone. The combination of me slipping the clutch quickly and rolling on the throttle, along with the slight rise in the road ended up me starting a wheelie at the far side of the intersection which I rode PAST the entrance to Sully Plaza (probably a good 200 yards). By far the best one I've done on my not-so-wheelie-prone 600F3. I was giddy with delight after that (especially because some kids "hanging out" at the gas station on the corner were screaming when I flew by). Hehe...I love my bike :-) Hobbes 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va ____________________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ; dthompso1@XXXXXX Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 10:57 AM Subject: Re: Catching Air -Reply >I was just about to weigh in on that road myself--It's the one between >"town" and the track, right? First time I rode to Summit a few years >ago, I came upon a coupla squids (new CBRRRRs, Troy Lee helmets, square >rear tires, shorts) who were impeding my fun. Right after I went >around them, the road dropped out from under me, and I think they got a >real good view of my belly pan. HooHah! > >'Course it's just not the same in my pickup truck. > >Joe > >>>> "D. Thompson" - 7/9/99 10:14 AM >>> >Hey Troutman, you keep that up and your going to make us lowly "sport >tourers" get a bad rep. as hooligans and squids like those more pure >sport >riders.... :) If you want to get some air, follow me out to Summit on >Saturday and I'll show you a road that gets you air a couple or 3 times >in >about 1.5 miles. Yee Hiiiii! > >Dannny >'99 VFR >"...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." > 1 Samuel 2:30 >----- Original Message ----- >From: Troutman >To: >Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 9:49 AM >Subject: Catching Air > > >> Yesterday on my way home, I was on Centreville Road crossing 50 (close >to >> Fast Lanes) and caught quite a bit of air in the middle of the >> intersection. I was going about 55 to make the light - gunned it a >bit - >> and caught about a second of hang time and a foot of air (much to the >> delight of the stopped cagers I am sure). >> >> My first time off the ground with both wheels (on-road) and had to >share. >> >> ___________________________________________ >> Mike Troutman >> http://www.troutman.org >> >> '97 Honda VFR 750 >> >> >> > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 11:49:21 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07060 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 95 (207-172-109-60.s60.as1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.60]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA11115 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <024301beca22$d50dc1e0$3c6daccf@95> From: "D. Thompson" To: References: <19990709111445724-892d88f@fanniemaefoundation.org> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Catching Air -Reply Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:50:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 So Tom, you got your new car? How do you like it? Tell us more about it. I guess the poor Viffer is sitting in the garage feeling neglected and lonely now. Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Zell To: JOE NAGY ; ; Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 11:13 AM Subject: Re[2]: Catching Air -Reply > Lenzy and I used to drive that same road with my 340 Duster... nothing like a > WHOLE BUNCH OF AIR with a 3000lb. car! Route 9 at night especially past Charles > Town is great, too! Not going to be doing anything like that with the new > Formula though. > > Tom > '86 VFR750 > > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > Subject: Re: Catching Air -Reply > Author: NAGYJ@XXXXXX (JOE NAGY) > Date: 7/9/99 10:45 AM > > I was just about to weigh in on that road myself--It's the one between > "town" and the track, right? First time I rode to Summit a few years > ago, I came upon a coupla squids (new CBRRRRs, Troy Lee helmets, square > rear tires, shorts) who were impeding my fun. Right after I went > around them, the road dropped out from under me, and I think they got a > real good view of my belly pan. HooHah! > > 'Course it's just not the same in my pickup truck. > > Joe > > >>> "D. Thompson" - 7/9/99 10:14 AM >>> > Hey Troutman, you keep that up and your going to make us lowly "sport > tourers" get a bad rep. as hooligans and squids like those more pure > sport > riders.... :) If you want to get some air, follow me out to Summit on > Saturday and I'll show you a road that gets you air a couple or 3 times > in > about 1.5 miles. Yee Hiiiii! > > Dannny > '99 VFR > "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." > 1 Samuel 2:30 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Troutman > To: > Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 9:49 AM > Subject: Catching Air > > > > Yesterday on my way home, I was on Centreville Road crossing 50 (close > to > > Fast Lanes) and caught quite a bit of air in the middle of the > > intersection. I was going about 55 to make the light - gunned it a > bit - > > and caught about a second of hang time and a foot of air (much to the > > delight of the stopped cagers I am sure). > > > > My first time off the ground with both wheels (on-road) and had to > share. > > > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > > http://www.troutman.org > > > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 11:50:44 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA07132 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:49:35 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:49:33 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:47:49 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good article -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Didn't mean to imply that I thought the average drug addict is a criminal. But I did have a cop tell me after looking at the smashed window and the gaping hole in my car's dash that my stereo had probably already been rolled over for a drug buy. And don't get me started on the kids being sacrificed to the Crack Wars. Joe Nagy, Unindicted Felon >>> - 7/9/99 11:05 AM >>> Joe, Just as you have the percrption that the average drug addict is a criminal, so do a lot of people have the perception that the average motorcyclist acts similar to the hell's angels in Hollister. That we run over children in school zones, and unfairly take their tax dollars to pay for our care when we are on life support after not wearing our helmets. Keep in mind that stereotypes in all fashions are usually inaccurate ... --chris To: kirk@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: JOE NAGY Date: 07/09/99 02:27:25 PM GMT Subject: Re: Good article -Reply Mike writes: "and I read it the same way I would read a pro-drug legalization argument." I'm with Fred (the author) on this one. The drug analogy doesn't wash--we "prudent speeders" don't burglarize houses, rob people or spread disease in pursuit of our fix. Joe '85 Ninja 900 (which cruises quite nicely at 80) ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 11:52:20 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07144 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 95 (207-172-109-60.s60.as1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.60]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA12657 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <025701beca23$3f38b660$3c6daccf@95> From: "D. Thompson" To: References: <852567A9.0054E195.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Subject: Re: Catching Air -Reply Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:53:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 That road is fun, but that is not the road to which I am referring..... :) Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Catching Air -Reply > Danny might be referring to route 230 between Shepherdstown and Harper's > Ferry (15 minutes from Charlestown). There is a series of two bumps one > after the other and both can send you skyward. Never tried it on a > motorcycle, but it was pretty exciting in my old Toyota Corolla! > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > Joe Nagy wrote: > I was just about to weigh in on that road myself--It's the one between > "town" and the track, right? > > D. Thompson wrote: > If you want to get some air, follow me out to Summit on > Saturday and I'll show you a road that gets you air a couple or 3 times > in about 1.5 miles. Yee Hiiiii! > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 11:56:37 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07174 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA02244 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA05324 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:57:43 -0400 Message-Id: <199907091157.AA81199402@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Troutman Subject: Re: Catching Air X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Troutman Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 09:49:41 -0400 >Yesterday on my way home, I was on Centreville Road crossing 50 (close to Fast Lanes) and caught quite a bit of air in the middle of the intersection. I was going about 55 to make the light - gunned it a bit - and caught about a second of hang time and a foot of air --------------------------------------------------------------- So COOOL!!! That's just up the road from my office. I gotta go try it! Were you going north or south? :) Horkster, preparing for takeoff! -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 12:18:28 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay01.mcit.com (alpha.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07589 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FEM0084D2KW04@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:17:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA17549; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 16:13:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.38.156.10]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990709161011.JRKB23218@toddnt>; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 16:10:11 +0000 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 12:08:29 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Good article In-reply-to: <852567A9.00501942.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000801beca25$48852a80$0a9c26a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Yeah, nothing at ALL like the Republicrats. They don't even have ANY good ideas ;) > > The Libertarian party is a great example of a group with a few good ideas > and whole truckload of horrible ones. Thanks but no thanks. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 12:43:54 1999 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA08088 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id MAA00332; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:46:23 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:46:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: JOE NAGY cc: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good article -Reply -Reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, JOE NAGY wrote: > > From: JOE NAGY > I'm with Fred (the author) on this one. The drug analogy doesn't > wash--we "prudent speeders" don't burglarize houses, rob people or > spread disease in pursuit of our fix. > Neither do "prudent dopers", by definition. > > Well, by "prudent" I'm talking about clear roads, good weather, no one > around to endanger. I've often found that "they" who don't like it are > the jealous, the ignorant, the incompetent. Speed is bad, no matter > what--how dare you have fun with it? In conclusion, "they" can kiss my > butt. > So...in the above paragraph, change "speed" to "drugs" and see how it reads. [minor snips] --garcia "Good judgement comes from experience, and experience---well, that comes from poor judgement." From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 13:13:25 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA08654 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 13:12:44 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 13:12:43 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 13:11:05 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: garicao@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good article -Reply -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline [big snip] So...in the above paragraph, change "speed" to "drugs" and see how it reads. "Drugs'r baid, uhkay?" --Mr. Mackey, South Park Elementary Guidance Counselor Right on, man. Unless I want some . . . Joe From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 13:33:57 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09087 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Anita.dlt.com ([199.4.241.102]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA17705 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:33:19 -0400 Message-Id: <199907091733.NAA17705@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:33:41 -0400 Subject: Sunday ride... Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) I'm considering doing a 200 mile ride on Sunday (to/from Middleburg). The route would go towards Culpeper, then on to Front Royal for lunch (Castigliani's). After that I figured I'd take 678 through GW National Forest, over the mountain to Luray, 211 back towards Sperryville, then on to Middleburg (or Rte 66 for those needing to head east). Highlights are the usual favorites... 688, 647, 635, 729. Meeting time would be 9:30 AM at the Middleburg Exxon. Any takers? :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 13:51:16 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09445 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:51:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA03117 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:50:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA09000 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA30764; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:50:57 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990709135029.019df530@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 13:50:56 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: Catching Air Cc: In-Reply-To: <199907091157.AA81199402@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:57 AM 7/9/99 , Horkster wrote: >So COOOL!!! That's just up the road from my office. I gotta >go try it! Were you going north or south? :) > >Horkster, preparing for takeoff! South. Its hard to catch the intersection empty..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org The author will not be held responsible for anything he says. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 13:53:25 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09460 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA30776; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:53:21 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990709135206.01e0f550@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 13:53:20 -0400 To: "Kirt Senser" From: Troutman Subject: Re: Catching Air -Reply Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000c01beca22$127f3d20$ce01a8c0@wsdell15yze.spg.va.corp.rcn .net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:45 AM 7/9/99 , Kirt Senser wrote: >I did one of the best wheelies of my life the other day at that exact same >intersection. That is also the intersection (going North) where a Corvette decided to race me a few weeks ago. I showed him the same thing you showed the riceboy....sans wheelie ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 13:55:35 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09483 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA30785 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:55:28 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990709135417.01e04a70@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 13:55:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Sunday ride... In-Reply-To: <199907091733.NAA17705@radagast.wizard.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:33 PM 7/9/99 , Anita Lauro wrote: >I'm considering doing a 200 mile ride on Sunday (to/from >Middleburg). The route would go towards Culpeper, then on to >Front Royal for lunch (Castigliani's). After that I figured I'd take 678 >through GW National Forest, over the mountain to Luray, 211 back >towards Sperryville, then on to Middleburg (or Rte 66 for those >needing to head east). Highlights are the usual favorites... 688, >647, 635, 729. Meeting time would be 9:30 AM at the Middleburg >Exxon. I'm in. Need a middle to slower speed group - my front end has felt a little weird the past week, but I can't find anything wrong with it. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 14:00:35 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.114]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09649 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:00:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by wodc7mr0.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgxdo17864; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 18:00:31 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 852567A9.00638F14 ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:07:26 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "D. Thompson" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567A9.00638EE4.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:00:02 -0400 Subject: Re: Re[2]: Catching Air -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline We don't have it yet. We ordered a 2000, should be in around September... : ) No WAY will the bikes sit! They're still more fun than any old car...well, for me that is! ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "D. Thompson" on 07/09/99 11:50:54 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Re: Re[2]: Catching Air -Reply So Tom, you got your new car? How do you like it? Tell us more about it. I guess the poor Viffer is sitting in the garage feeling neglected and lonely now. Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Zell To: JOE NAGY ; ; Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 11:13 AM Subject: Re[2]: Catching Air -Reply > Lenzy and I used to drive that same road with my 340 Duster... nothing like a > WHOLE BUNCH OF AIR with a 3000lb. car! Route 9 at night especially past Charles > Town is great, too! Not going to be doing anything like that with the new > Formula though. > > Tom > '86 VFR750 > > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > Subject: Re: Catching Air -Reply > Author: NAGYJ@XXXXXX (JOE NAGY) > Date: 7/9/99 10:45 AM > > I was just about to weigh in on that road myself--It's the one between > "town" and the track, right? First time I rode to Summit a few years > ago, I came upon a coupla squids (new CBRRRRs, Troy Lee helmets, square > rear tires, shorts) who were impeding my fun. Right after I went > around them, the road dropped out from under me, and I think they got a > real good view of my belly pan. HooHah! > > 'Course it's just not the same in my pickup truck. > > Joe > > >>> "D. Thompson" - 7/9/99 10:14 AM >>> > Hey Troutman, you keep that up and your going to make us lowly "sport > tourers" get a bad rep. as hooligans and squids like those more pure > sport > riders.... :) If you want to get some air, follow me out to Summit on > Saturday and I'll show you a road that gets you air a couple or 3 times > in > about 1.5 miles. Yee Hiiiii! > > Dannny > '99 VFR > "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." > 1 Samuel 2:30 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Troutman > To: > Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 9:49 AM > Subject: Catching Air > > > > Yesterday on my way home, I was on Centreville Road crossing 50 (close > to > > Fast Lanes) and caught quite a bit of air in the middle of the > > intersection. I was going about 55 to make the light - gunned it a > bit - > > and caught about a second of hang time and a foot of air (much to the > > delight of the stopped cagers I am sure). > > > > My first time off the ground with both wheels (on-road) and had to > share. > > > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > > http://www.troutman.org > > > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 14:03:00 1999 Return-Path: 900rrmofo@XXXXXX Received: from mailcity.com (fes-qout.whowhere.com [209.1.236.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA09660 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:02:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailcity.com; Fri Jul 9 11:02:12 1999 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mrider@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:02:12 -0700 From: "C J" <900rrmofo@XXXXXX> Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: This morning's commute X-Sender-Ip: 140.188.64.152 Organization: MailCity (http://www.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon, I have to admit I was a little suprised to see an bike coming up on me while I was sitting in traffic. As you passed me I thought huh...if he is going to split traffic I shall follow suit.... I usually don't do to much lane splitting unless it's really hot or I am running late.... Still it was nice to see someone that you know on a bike...... Oh yeah....my bike is narrow enough to split'em....... --- Craig 99 RR On Fri, 09 Jul 1999 05:20:17 Leon Begeman wrote: >It was a fun ride in this morning. > >Finally when I got into DC on 12th street, the crowning moment of the >morning. I passed Craig! Thanks Craig, you made my day. I split lanes >after going throught the 12th St tunnel, then beat a car off the line at the >traffic light. Craig was near Federal Triangle when we met. Lane splitting >is just another fun aspect of riding. I couldn't split lanes all day any >more than I can scrape pegs all day, but a little diversity in riding makes >all of it more interesting. > >Leon. > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://my.lycos.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 14:03:31 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA09663 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id LAA10610 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:03:27 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:03:27 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sunday ride... Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:03:22 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >I'm considering doing a 200 mile ride on Sunday >Any takers? :-) >Anita Could be - scheduling tends to be somewhat dynamic ( :P ) for me these days. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 14:04:22 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web501.yahoomail.com (web501.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA09681 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990709180346.14863.rocketmail@web501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.214] by web501.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:03:46 PDT Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:03:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Md. Lawyer ? To: rdrdr , dc-cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- rdrdr wrote: > I have a couple of citations from a car accidenct I > had a few months ago. > > Anyone have a Maryland lawyer they can recommend ? Jay Berstein Georgia Ave. Silver Spring, MD 301 587-1000 if you are brave, tell him I sent you -- tg _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 14:11:54 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09854 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Anita.dlt.com ([199.4.241.102]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA22442; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:12:02 -0400 Message-Id: <199907091812.OAA22442@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:12:21 -0400 Subject: Re: Sunday ride... Priority: normal In-reply-to: <4.1.19990709135417.01e04a70@mail.wheatintl.com> References: <199907091733.NAA17705@radagast.wizard.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) On 9 Jul 99, at 13:55, Troutman wrote: > I'm in. Need a middle to slower speed group - my front end has felt a > little weird the past week, but I can't find anything wrong with it. I'll be riding at a moderate pace.. except on 688 where all bets are off! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 14:42:01 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA10393 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 9 Jul 1999 21:41:24 UT Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 12:41 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "D. Thompson" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Was: Catching Air -Reply... Now: New Formula Message-ID: <19990709124145119-8e27cd2@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Danny, Jeannette and I went and put a deposit on and ordered our '00 Formula in Navy Blue Metallic last Saturday (we decided against the WS6 RAM AIR car... too much for insurance and maintenance). It's coming down the line with the 305 hp 5.7L, 6 spd manual trans, 1SB option package (which includes t-tops, security, power seat, and some other niceties), leather interior, polished wheels, and Hurst shifter for the 6spd tranny. The ultra cool part though is that we got it for $100 over invoice from United Buying Service. (woohoo!!) Corvette performance (these cars even though rated at 40 hp less will eat a C5 Vette alive) at half the price. Even the automatic car whoops ass (Jeannette can attest to that... Miss Hot Shoe)! You can't beat in the bang for the buck department. Production of the '00 cars started on 6/28 which means that we'll more than likely take possession in September. We can't wait for it to get here! Which reminds me to remind everyone on the list that I have stuff for sale... computers, 1 Saab Turbo, and a Dodge Dart drag car body. Tell anyone you know about this stuff! Now for the moto-content... I rode the viffer the other day to work BUT the heat has been kicking my butt because of my asthma so I'm inclined to let it sit right now regardless. Jeannette on the other hand has been riding the heck out of her viffer though... even on the 100+ deg. days. She's my hero! :-) Tom '86 VFR750 '00 Formula 6spd ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: Re[2]: Catching Air -Reply Author: dthompso1@XXXXXX (D. Thompson) Date: 7/9/99 11:50 AM So Tom, you got your new car? How do you like it? Tell us more about it. I guess the poor Viffer is sitting in the garage feeling neglected and lonely now. Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 15:01:55 1999 Return-Path: harris@XXXXXX Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10810 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:01:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA23232 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990709145905.008e0b10@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 14:59:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Sunday ride... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" So close to the track, stop by Summit Point Raceway. I'm racing on sunday, look for # 911 in the pits. Harris At 01:33 PM 7/9/99 -0400, you wrote: >I'm considering doing a 200 mile ride on Sunday (to/from >Middleburg). The route would go towards Culpeper, then on to >Front Royal for lunch (Castigliani's). After that I figured I'd take 678 >through GW National Forest, over the mountain to Luray, 211 back >towards Sperryville, then on to Middleburg (or Rte 66 for those >needing to head east). Highlights are the usual favorites... 688, >647, 635, 729. Meeting time would be 9:30 AM at the Middleburg >Exxon. > >Any takers? :-) >Anita > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 15:07:31 1999 Return-Path: granth@XXXXXX Received: from fedsco.sco.com (fedsco.sco.COM [132.147.168.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10889 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from everex (everex.sco.COM [132.147.168.14]) by fedsco.sco.com (8.8.7/UW7.1.0) with ESMTP id OAA21712; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:56:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990709150456.00a85cf0@fedsco.sco.com> X-Sender: granth@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 15:05:51 -0400 To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> From: Grant Heffernan Subject: Re: Sunday ride... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199907091733.NAA17705@radagast.wizard.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sounds good... Faster group would be my pref. At 01:33 PM 7/9/99 -0400, you wrote: >I'm considering doing a 200 mile ride on Sunday (to/from >Middleburg). The route would go towards Culpeper, then on to >Front Royal for lunch (Castigliani's). After that I figured I'd take 678 >through GW National Forest, over the mountain to Luray, 211 back >towards Sperryville, then on to Middleburg (or Rte 66 for those >needing to head east). Highlights are the usual favorites... 688, >647, 635, 729. Meeting time would be 9:30 AM at the Middleburg >Exxon. > >Any takers? :-) >Anita ********************************* Grant M. Heffernan Field Systems Engineer The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Reston, VA 20191 ph: (703) 715-8721 http://ussales/granth From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 15:10:49 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10903 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:10:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Anita.dlt.com ([199.4.241.102]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA29760; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:10:56 -0400 Message-Id: <199907091910.PAA29760@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Grant Heffernan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:11:17 -0400 Subject: Re: Sunday ride... Priority: normal In-reply-to: <4.2.0.58.19990709150456.00a85cf0@fedsco.sco.com> References: <199907091733.NAA17705@radagast.wizard.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) On 9 Jul 99, at 15:05, Grant Heffernan wrote: > Sounds good... Faster group would be my pref. Well, as of now there isn't a leader for a fast group.. I'll have plenty of route sheets available for those who want to go on ahead. Anita From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 15:20:13 1999 Return-Path: 900rrmofo@XXXXXX Received: from mailcity.com (fes-qout.whowhere.com [209.1.236.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA11153 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailcity.com; Fri Jul 9 12:19:28 1999 To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" , "Kirk Roy" Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 12:19:28 -0700 From: "C J" <900rrmofo@XXXXXX> Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: This morning's commute X-Sender-Ip: 140.188.64.152 Organization: MailCity (http://www.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh here we go....... Yeah that's it ......they all pass me when I am sitting at a traffic light.... Gottat get a run on me.........and since we are in town(DC)..I let them go.... but bring it to the mountain and it's another story as you well know..Ahem..there Mr. Pogo...:~) Yeah lane splitting while cars are stopped at the light is one thing and seemingly ok in DC.....but out in the burbs forget it....I got a ticket for it on Rt. 7 near Reston Ave......actually riding on the shoulder... --- Craig 99 RR On Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:15:18 Kirk Roy wrote: >On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, Leon Begeman wrote: >> Finally when I got into DC on 12th street, the crowning moment of the >> morning. I passed Craig! Thanks Craig, you made my day. > >Everybody passes Craig, the wanker! :) > >> I couldn't split lanes all day any more than I can scrape pegs all >> day, but a little diversity in riding makes all of it more interesting. > >For some reason, it only feels ok to me to split lanes in DC and I'm only >rarely in town. I certainly wish it was legal every morning as I sit on >the beltway in PG/Mont counties... > >Kirk > > Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://my.lycos.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 15:38:41 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA11469 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:38:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 112gTk-0001HH-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:38:36 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:38:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Was: Catching Air -Reply... Now: New Formula In-Reply-To: <19990709124145119-8e27cd2@fanniemaefoundation.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII What's a 00 Formula ? I'm only familiar with Formula 409 and 520. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 16:03:03 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA11972 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (209-122-246-120.s628.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.246.120]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA11822; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 99 16:00:13 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: Re: Was: Catching Air -Reply... Now: New Formula To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Hugh Caldwell X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Year 2000 guido mobile, aka a pontiac firebird formula. --- On Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > What's a 00 Formula ? I'm only familiar with Formula >409 and 520. > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI >---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/9/99 HSTA/AMA 4:00:13 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 16:22:09 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web504.yahoomail.com (web504.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA12377 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990709202207.25685.rocketmail@web504.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.214] by web504.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 13:22:07 PDT Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:22:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Md. Lawyer ? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Whoops....it's 'Bernstein' sorry Jay --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- rdrdr wrote: > > I have a couple of citations from a car accidenct > I > > had a few months ago. > > > > Anyone have a Maryland lawyer they can recommend ? > > Jay Berstein > Georgia Ave. > Silver Spring, MD > 301 587-1000 > > if you are brave, tell him I sent you > > > -- > tg _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 16:25:00 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA12392 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA13288 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:24:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: This morning's commute In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, C J wrote: > Yeah that's it ......they all pass me when I am sitting at a traffic > light... Gottat get a run on me.........and since we are in town(DC)..I > let them go.... Yeah, I've got to admit that city racing sucks. I've lost three riding buddies to city racing. So, we only do city racing when it's not rush hour!!! Now, the beltway, that's another story! When that road opens up you'd better watch out!!!! My Yamaguchi ABC1523ZZRR (w/turbo and NOS) will eat you alive! Muahahaha!!! > but bring it to the mountain and it's another story as you well > know.. The mountains suck. You can only barely get past the lag and the bottle is out of the question. Besides, the 4 inches on each side of my back tire are kind of slick, for some reason. The shop told me that the tire (220/50!!!) would be slick for the first 100 miles or so and thought it would be a good idea to keep the speeds down (being safety minded, I did keep 'er below 150mph). I've already done 124 miles (in just 2 weeks!!! Where's my !@#$&* iron butt patch!?!). That tire should be stickier but that might hurt my burnout performance. I don't know what the problem is. The straights are just so much more !@#$ fun anyway, dude!!! > Ahem..there Mr. Pogo...:~) I TOTALLED the pogo bike on New York Ave (and I wasn't even going fast, no more than 85mph or so) and replaced it with MR Yamaguchi!!!! That stupid pogo bike wouldn't even go 177 mph!!! Hahahaha!!!! It sucked!!!! I could only barely wheely it through 3 or 4 intersections!?! The Yamaguchi wheelies when I'm not even paying attention (too many hot chicks out there to pay too much attention to the bike, dude!!!!)!!!! It rocks!!! Kirk 1953 Zorch From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 16:42:04 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.114]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA12756 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:42:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by wodc7mr0.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgxdy28457; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:41:59 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 852567A9.00725661 ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:48:52 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Hugh Caldwell cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567A9.007254E1.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:41:21 -0400 Subject: Re: Was: Catching Air -Reply... Now: New Formula Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline He meant the model year - 2000. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Hugh Caldwell on 07/09/99 03:38:36 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Re: Was: Catching Air -Reply... Now: New Formula What's a 00 Formula ? I'm only familiar with Formula 409 and 520. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 16:45:55 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA12849 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdell15yze (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA14882; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <014f01beca4c$5a0ba370$ce01a8c0@wsdell15yze.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> Reply-To: "Kirt Senser" From: "Kirt Senser" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: This morning's commute Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:48:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 What the hell is up with this e-mail??? -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 4:33 PM Subject: Re: This morning's commute >On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, C J wrote: >> Yeah that's it ......they all pass me when I am sitting at a traffic >> light... Gottat get a run on me.........and since we are in town(DC)..I >> let them go.... > >Yeah, I've got to admit that city racing sucks. I've lost three riding >buddies to city racing. So, we only do city racing when it's not rush >hour!!! Now, the beltway, that's another story! When that road opens up >you'd better watch out!!!! My Yamaguchi ABC1523ZZRR (w/turbo and NOS) will >eat you alive! Muahahaha!!! > >> but bring it to the mountain and it's another story as you well >> know.. > >The mountains suck. You can only barely get past the lag and the bottle is >out of the question. Besides, the 4 inches on each side of my back tire >are kind of slick, for some reason. The shop told me that the tire >(220/50!!!) would be slick for the first 100 miles or so and thought it >would be a good idea to keep the speeds down (being safety minded, I did >keep 'er below 150mph). I've already done 124 miles (in just 2 weeks!!! >Where's my !@#$&* iron butt patch!?!). That tire should be stickier but >that might hurt my burnout performance. I don't know what the problem is. >The straights are just so much more !@#$ fun anyway, dude!!! > >> Ahem..there Mr. Pogo...:~) > >I TOTALLED the pogo bike on New York Ave (and I wasn't even going fast, no >more than 85mph or so) and replaced it with MR Yamaguchi!!!! That >stupid pogo bike wouldn't even go 177 mph!!! Hahahaha!!!! It sucked!!!! I >could only barely wheely it through 3 or 4 intersections!?! The Yamaguchi >wheelies when I'm not even paying attention (too many hot chicks out >there to pay too much attention to the bike, dude!!!!)!!!! It rocks!!! > >Kirk >1953 Zorch > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 17:01:48 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA13108 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdell15yze (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA23580 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <018c01beca4e$92da9150$ce01a8c0@wsdell15yze.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> Reply-To: "Kirt Senser" From: "Kirt Senser" To: Subject: Fw: Summit Point Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:04:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0189_01BECA2D.0BB08750" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0189_01BECA2D.0BB08750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Original Message----- From: Kirt Senser To: cbr@XXXXXX ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX = Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 4:51 PM Subject: Summit Point I'm planning on rolling up to Summit Point this weekend, and will also = be looking into getting some Dunlop 207GPs for my bike. I know a guy = who is selling his after this weekends races, but he's running a 180 = (instead of the stock 160) tire on the back. This is on the stock CBR = 600F3 wheel. Will this change the way my bike handles by having a huge = tire on the back? Is it beneficial or a waste of time to get a tire = this size. Will it rub my fender or swingarm? Please let me know ASAP, = as I'd really like to get some of the tires. Thanks in advance. Hobbes 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va ------=_NextPart_000_0189_01BECA2D.0BB08750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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From:=20 Kirt Senser <ksenser@XXXXXX>
To: = cbr@XXXXXX <cbr@XXXXXX>; dc-cycles@XXXXXX = <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>Date:=20 Friday, July 09, 1999 4:51 PM
Subject: Summit=20 Point

I'm planning on rolling up to Summit = Point this=20 weekend, and will also be looking into getting some Dunlop 207GPs for my = bike.  I know a guy who is selling his after this weekends races, = but he's=20 running a 180 (instead of the stock 160) tire on the back.  This is = on the=20 stock CBR 600F3 wheel.  Will this change the way my bike handles by = having=20 a huge tire on the back?  Is it beneficial or a waste of time to = get a tire=20 this size.  Will it rub my fender or swingarm?  Please let me = know=20 ASAP, as I'd really like to get some of the tires.  Thanks in=20 advance.
 
Hobbes
1996 CBR 600F3 SJR
Annandale, Va
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0189_01BECA2D.0BB08750-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 17:11:32 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA13220 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA02575 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000701beca50$9f2be100$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: References: Subject: Re: Was: Catching Air -Reply... Now: New Formula Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:18:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 No offense but... you're a jerk! Tom <--- who is not in the mood to be made fun of.... ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Sachs To: ; Hugh Caldwell Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 4:00 PM Subject: Re: Was: Catching Air -Reply... Now: New Formula > Year 2000 guido mobile, aka a pontiac firebird formula. > --- On Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Hugh Caldwell > wrote: > > > > > What's a 00 Formula ? I'm only familiar with Formula > >409 and 520. > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- > >Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > >---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer > ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX > 7/9/99 HSTA/AMA 4:00:13 PM > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 17:31:14 1999 Return-Path: snake69@XXXXXX Received: from zzapp.org (zzapp.org [206.165.125.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA13664 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-57-11.s11.tnt2.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.57.11]) by zzapp.org with SMTP (IPAD 2.5) id 3971700 ; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 17:31:00 -0400 From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 17:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Marvin Heilesen" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <199907091733.NAA17705@radagast.wizard.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Sunday ride... Message-Id: <199907092131.3971700@zzapp.org> On Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:33:41 -0400, Anita Lauro wrote: >I'm considering doing a 200 mile ride on Sunday (to/from >Middleburg). > >Any takers? :-) Sorry, I have too many plans for Sunday. I hate to miss one of your rides. Sorry. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Snake a.k.a. Marvin Heilesen '97 Shadow ACE 1100 '78 Suzuki GS400 "Chick Magnet" ABATE of Maryland MRF / AMA / HRCA "Misplaced Idahoan" From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 17:58:35 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA14070 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (209-122-214-7.s261.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.214.7]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA06404 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 99 17:54:59 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: RE: Fw: Summit Point To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII What size rear rim on the 96 F3? I know I only run a 170 on my 5.5 rear, but could run a 180. I'd advise against this, especially with the 5 inch rear I think the F3 has-will really slow down turning, and will probably have clearance problems. greg --- On Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:04:03 -0400 Kirt Senser wrote: > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kirt Senser >To: cbr@XXXXXX ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 4:51 PM >Subject: Summit Point > > >I'm planning on rolling up to Summit Point this weekend, and will also be looking into getting some Dunlop 207GPs for my bike. I know a guy who is selling his after this weekends races, but he's running a 180 (instead of the stock 160) tire on the back. This is on the stock CBR 600F3 wheel. Will this change the way my bike handles by having a huge tire on the back? Is it beneficial or a waste of time to get a tire this size. Will it rub my fender or swingarm? Please let me know ASAP, as I'd really like to get some of the tires. Thanks in advance. > >Hobbes >1996 CBR 600F3 SJR >Annandale, Va > > > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/9/99 HSTA/AMA 5:54:59 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 18:06:02 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA14238 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 18:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 10 Jul 1999 01:05:23 UT Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 16:04 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Hugh Caldwell" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: Was: Catching Air -Reply... Now: New Formula Message-ID: <19990709160545780-99d43e7@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii OK... now that everyone has managed to pluck my last nerve for the day... God I hope you're kidding. Anyway... 2000 Pontiac Firebird Formula... you know... fire breathing 4 seater "last of the American muscle cars... runs down most stock motorcycles (except for maybe three that I know of) at top speed in 6th gear, etc. Corvette, Mustang, and Cobra Mustang killer, etc. Need I say more? Tom <---one who is in a horrific mood today '86 VFR750 '00 PONTIAC Formula ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: Was: Catching Air -Reply... Now: New Formula Author: twg@XXXXXX (Hugh Caldwell) Date: 7/9/99 3:38 PM What's a 00 Formula ? I'm only familiar with Formula 409 and 520. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 18:39:43 1999 Return-Path: dankenney@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f6.hotmail.com [207.82.250.17]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA14812 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 18:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 89708 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 1999 22:39:09 -0000 Message-ID: <19990709223909.89707.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.164.225.67 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 15:39:09 PDT X-Originating-IP: [216.164.225.67] From: "DAN KENNEY" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sunday ride Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 15:39:09 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Anybody from Southern MD want to go on the ride Sunday? Dan Kenney Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 19:21:49 1999 Return-Path: rdt@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA15585 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 19:21:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt (209-122-204-107.s615.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.204.107]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA13126 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 19:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000701beca61$47bd9d80$6bcc7ad1@rdt> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: Subject: Country Roads MC Update Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 19:17:56 -0400 Organization: Attorney at Law X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 My buddy Kevin and I will be leaving on the afternoon of Wednesday, July 21 to attend the Country Roads MC Rally in Snowshoe, West Virginia. I will be trailering my bike (just purchased a two bike trailer two weeks ago) and he will be following on his new 1999 CBR 900RR. We were able to rent a ski condo for $49.00 a night. It has two pull out queen size beds and a fireplace. You can't beat the price. We will be returning on Sunday, July 25. If anyone is interested in joining us let me know by EMail. Additionally, my wife and I will be at Summit Point on Sunday. You can talk with me there about the details. Roy D. Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 19:23:52 1999 Return-Path: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA15618 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 19:23:51 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id cBSSa12667 (4541); Fri, 9 Jul 1999 19:21:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4281d2b6.24b7de14@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 19:21:56 EDT Subject: Re: Sunday ride... To: 2xracers@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 You've got a tailgunner/S-L-O-W group lead (if needed). I just need directions to Middleburg, and a time to be there. Thanks! Rob VanSlyke '83 Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 19:31:18 1999 Return-Path: snake69@XXXXXX Received: from zzapp.org (zzapp.org [206.165.125.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA15806 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 19:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-57-11.s11.tnt2.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.57.11]) by zzapp.org with SMTP (IPAD 1.52) id 4069800 ; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 19:30:22 EST From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 19:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Marvin Heilesen" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990707085748.00bede90@mail.toward.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Re[2]: Northern Virginia Yuppies Message-Id: <199907092330.4069800@zzapp.org> On Wed, 07 Jul 1999 09:04:45 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >>I have issues about the whole loud pipe thing but I'll hold my tongue >>except for >>this... loud pipes do not get bikes banned (or even cause a real problem), >>it's >>the idiot riding it that does. > >In general, yes. I guess it depends a lot on the pipes and the >engine. The Harley I kept for a friend, which was not loud by Harley >standards, could not run quietly. Leaving a friend's townhouse complex at >11pm, with minimal throttle to get up a hill, I could still hear the >exhaust echoing off the adjacent townhouses - we probably got a few MORE >enemies of motorcycling that night. Yes, I have loud pipes, as many of you have heard. But, I am also a goo neighbor. I push my bike out to the road each morning, and I keep the throttle at a minimum in residential areas. I am a morning person, so I am asleep long before anyone would complain about my pipes disturbing my sleep. The bike is no louder than the dumptrucks I see on the roads. I do feel a lot safer on the roads with the louder pipes. But then again, I ride a cruiser and not a sport bike, so I more have that attitude, wether you think it is good or not..... ___________ Snake a.k.a. Marvin Heilesen Team OS/2 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 20:01:29 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA16284 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (209-122-196-59.s59.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.196.59]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA23252 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 99 19:56:03 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: Re: Re[2]: Northern Virginia Yuppies To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii --- On Fri, 09 Jul 1999 19:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Marvin Heilesen wrote: >On Wed, 07 Jul 1999 09:04:45 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: > >>>I have issues about the whole loud pipe thing but I'll hold my tongue >>>except for >>>this... loud pipes do not get bikes banned (or even cause a real problem), >>>it's >>>the idiot riding it that does. >> >>In general, yes. I guess it depends a lot on the pipes and the >>engine. The Harley I kept for a friend, which was not loud by Harley >>standards, could not run quietly. Leaving a friend's townhouse complex at >>11pm, with minimal throttle to get up a hill, I could still hear the >>exhaust echoing off the adjacent townhouses - we probably got a few MORE >>enemies of motorcycling that night. > >Yes, I have loud pipes, as many of you have heard. But, I am >also a goo neighbor. I push my bike out to the road each >morning, and I keep the throttle at a minimum in residential >areas. I am a morning person, so I am asleep long before anyone >would complain about my pipes disturbing my sleep. The bike is >no louder than the dumptrucks I see on the roads. I do feel a >lot safer on the roads with the louder pipes. > >But then again, I ride a cruiser and not a sport bike, so I more >have that attitude, wether you think it is good or not..... I guess my thoughts are that this whole discussion is pretty moot-no one is going to convince the loud pipes crowd(harley or sportbike) that what they are doing hurts us, so the most we can do is try and educate the public that all of us aren't bad. And, of course, try and be respectful when we are on our own bikes, like I try to do-my bike isn't anything near as loud as an open harley, but it isn't quiet either, so I try and respect the neighbors. No complaints yet. Greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/9/99 HSTA/AMA 7:56:03 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 20:04:13 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA16287 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:04:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id dMFRa21560 (4532); Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:01:38 EDT Subject: Re: Apollo 12 astronaut Pete Conra... To: twg@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 I met Pete Conrad on a number of occasions (I am in the aerospace business) and he was a consultant of ours. Very unpretentious guy. I never let on to my business relations that I ride motorcycles, much less race, so I didn't know he rode a bike, too bad. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 20:10:24 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA16394 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:10:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2EMSa22742 (4532) for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:09:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:09:05 EDT Subject: Racebike Saga To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (dc-cycles@XXXXXX) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 The RD crank and cylinders were brought to Battley's for an estimate. Estimate was outrageous. I can get a package deal for a pristine road-going RD-350, 3 working race engines a number of frames and countless parts for a decent price from an Italian friend from Rome who restores and collects 2-strokes. I therefore will have an RD-350 street-bike for sale when I get the time to pick it up. The road-going RD has RZ reeds and pistons and is ported, otherwise stock. I'd like to get $1,800 for it. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 20:55:26 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA17107 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME ([206.239.191.90]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA17538; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3786C5E1.7D0E@mnsinc.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 21:02:41 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Lanesplitting [was This morning's commute] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Norloff > Lane splitting is a good way to get through car traffic. However, it's an > advanced traffic maneuver that should not be taken lightly. I rarely split > between cars which are moving, preferring merely to move to the head of the > line at traffic lights. Sometimes I merely use the bike's size to ride > down the edge of the road to make a right turn at a light rather than > waiting for the cars to move out. Moving at a reasonable (slow) and > non-aggressive speed is very important to avoiding ugly incidents, and > being able to avoid cars or car doors. > > In DC, lane-splitting is implicitly condoned by other drivers and police, > if done sensibly. In Arlington it's looked on a little less favorably by > drivers. Police don't like it at all. In areas farther out, car drivers > can go ballistic at the idea that someone would choose a vehicle that can > get through the traffic jams created by their SUV's and minivans. > > Rocketing between cars, or splitting lanes to go 70 through 50 mph traffic > would be squidly. Moving up through stopped cars to get to the head of the > line, and when the light turns green squirting ahead into the space that > cars can get to, is not squidly. > > America is one of the few countries that actually expect motorcyclists to > ride like they are a car. Isn't that the truth. Thanks, Chris, for your astute observations. I split lanes every work day across the Key Bridge when traffic is at a stand still. If it's moving OK - say, 10-15 mph - I stay put. I also keep my brights off, my Rs down, and my hands and feet over the controls. In Virginia, I'm not as bold either I guess, but I will scoot up to the front as Chris described. I try hard not to think it's my given right as a motorcyclist to do this, but you can't help feeling a bit better about your choice of transportation when the "madding crowd" sits behind you ;) In any event, you do have to be real careful when doing this. John From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 10 07:35:03 1999 Return-Path: wowbager@XXXXXX Received: from stmpy.cais.net (stmpy.cais.net [199.0.216.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA00518 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 07:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (dynamic181.cais.com [207.226.56.181]) by stmpy.cais.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA00321 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 07:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004a01becac7$d1a4e560$b538e2cf@wowbager> From: "Mike B." To: References: <4.1.19990708101332.01e5b310@mail.wheatintl.com> Subject: Re: Dale City Riders Down Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 07:31:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 If we poke out her eyes we wont have to worry about her getting back on the road! Mike B. ----- Original Message ----- From: Troutman To: Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 10:16 AM Subject: Dale City Riders Down > I have no information at all, but a co-worker just came in and told me that > two of his riding buddies (Harley) in Dale City went down this week. Both > were hit by an 18 year old girl that failed to yield. One apparently looks > like a burn victim (severe road rash) the other has lost his arm. > > When the police arrived to ticket the girl (reckless driving) she said > "this is the 3rd time I have hit a biker in two years." > > No comment from me required. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > > From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 10 12:20:16 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05324 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 12:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.221]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.3.1) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 12:09:51 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Chris Norloff" , Subject: RE: This morning's commute Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 12:11:15 -0400 Message-ID: <001301becaee$d61e74e0$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990709091929.00bb6230@mail.toward.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > Lane splitting is a good way to get through car traffic. > However, it's an > advanced traffic maneuver that should not be taken lightly. Especially on boxers (2, 4, and 6 cyl. ones. Ugh. Lane splitting with a Wing or Valk. Yikes!), inline sixes (okay, except maybe the old Honda GP bikes, but don't try it on your CBX), Guzzis, bikes with hard luggage, and wide bars. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 10 14:29:20 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07261 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 14:29:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-183.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.183]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA25294 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 14:29:16 -0400 Message-ID: <1c8b01becb01$f813b700$38a4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Cellphones -- More nono. Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 14:28:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_1C88_01BECAE0.6FFD2A20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1C88_01BECAE0.6FFD2A20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is news to me, tho not a cellphone user I. =20 Seems cellphones and gas pumping (or even proximity to) don't mix. = >From the West comes a story of a fellow burned and car destroyed while = he phoned as he was standing next to an attendant pumping gas. =20 Apparently high-powered batteries in the phones can generate sparks: = Evidently some phone manuals contain warnings. 50 ft was mentioned as = the hazard radius from the pumps.=20 This is the first I've heard of this. Adds another Heads-Up to my = fueling activities. "Excuse me, could you please not light up that = phone while I'm here?" Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Not wearing Nomex yet. =20 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_1C88_01BECAE0.6FFD2A20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is news to me, tho = not a=20 cellphone user I. 
 
    = Seems cellphones=20 and gas pumping (or even proximity to) don't mix.  From the West = comes a=20 story of a fellow burned and car destroyed while he phoned as he was = standing=20 next to an attendant pumping gas. 
 
    = Apparently=20 high-powered batteries in the phones can generate sparks:  = Evidently some=20 phone manuals contain warnings.  50 ft was mentioned as the hazard = radius=20 from the pumps.
 
    This = is the first=20 I've heard of this.  Adds another Heads-Up to my fueling = activities. =20 "Excuse me, could you please not light up that phone while I'm=20 here?"
 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 = VN750 --> Not=20 wearing Nomex yet. 
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding=20 fun.
------=_NextPart_000_1C88_01BECAE0.6FFD2A20-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 10 16:56:05 1999 Return-Path: fwegerich@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09660 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 16:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (ip216.leesburg4.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.171.216]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29125; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 13:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3787B3D4.B7EB0E0B@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 16:57:56 -0400 From: Frank Wegerich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday ride... References: <199907091733.NAA17705@radagast.wizard.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds good ... anyone wants to meet in Sterling (MacDonalds at R7) around 8.15am and head towards Middleburg? Frank. Anita Lauro wrote: > I'm considering doing a 200 mile ride on Sunday (to/from > Middleburg). The route would go towards Culpeper, then on to > Front Royal for lunch (Castigliani's). After that I figured I'd take 678 > through GW National Forest, over the mountain to Luray, 211 back > towards Sperryville, then on to Middleburg (or Rte 66 for those > needing to head east). Highlights are the usual favorites... 688, > 647, 635, 729. Meeting time would be 9:30 AM at the Middleburg > Exxon. > > Any takers? :-) > Anita From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 10 18:56:10 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA11513 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 18:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-204.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.204]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA00152 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 18:56:08 -0400 Message-ID: <000401becb27$3e292700$cca4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Lanesplitting [was This morning's commute] Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 18:54:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 'Lo Listers -- 1. For some more on lanesplitting I've posted the Motorcycle Times article of mine and a couple of subsequent insightful letters-to-editor from other MT readers. ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/Lanesplitting.txt 2. Go U.S. Women's Soccer. What a match they won! Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> On the sidelines during the soccer match Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: John C. Kozyn >From: Chris Norloff > >> Lane splitting is a good way to get through car traffic. However, it's an >> advanced traffic maneuver that should not be taken lightly. I rarely split >> between cars which are moving, preferring merely to move to the head of the >> line at traffic lights. Sometimes I merely use the bike's size to ride >> down the edge of the road to make a right turn at a light rather than >> waiting for the cars to move out. Moving at a reasonable (slow) and >> non-aggressive speed is very important to avoiding ugly incidents, and >> being able to avoid cars or car doors. >> >> In DC, lane-splitting is implicitly condoned by other drivers and police, >> if done sensibly. In Arlington it's looked on a little less favorably by >> drivers. Police don't like it at all. In areas farther out, car drivers >> can go ballistic at the idea that someone would choose a vehicle that can >> get through the traffic jams created by their SUV's and minivans. >> >> Rocketing between cars, or splitting lanes to go 70 through 50 mph traffic >> would be squidly. Moving up through stopped cars to get to the head of the >> line, and when the light turns green squirting ahead into the space that >> cars can get to, is not squidly. >> >> America is one of the few countries that actually expect motorcyclists to >> ride like they are a car. > >Isn't that the truth. Thanks, Chris, for your astute observations. I >split lanes every work day across the Key Bridge when traffic is at a >stand still. If it's moving OK - say, 10-15 mph - I stay put. I also >keep my brights off, my Rs down, and my hands and feet over the >controls. > >In Virginia, I'm not as bold either I guess, but I will scoot up to the >front as Chris described. I try hard not to think it's my given right as >a motorcyclist to do this, but you can't help feeling a bit better about >your choice of transportation when the "madding crowd" sits behind you >;) > >In any event, you do have to be real careful when doing this. > >John > From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 10 19:11:03 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11769 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 19:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-204.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.204]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA00426; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 19:10:58 -0400 Message-ID: <001101becb29$50fb59a0$cca4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Collin T. Fagan" , Subject: Won these, placed those . . . (Was: Loaner anyone??) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 19:09:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Congratulations, Collin, for the string of fine showings the last few weeks. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Collin T. Fagan ...snip >Oh yeah.. not sure if Brian or Jeff posted, but I won the Solo20 and >B production races and took second in Formula 1 and B Superbike >(barely)at Nelson Ledges last weekend... plan to keep the trophy streak >alive at the WERA round at Summit Point at the end of the month.... > >Collin > > >=== >Collin T. Fagan >DC-Cycles Racing >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ >Proudly sponsored by: >Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) >Dixie Cycles >Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 10 19:30:44 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12159 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 19:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-204.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.204]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA00744 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 19:30:39 -0400 Message-ID: <001b01becb2c$11145fa0$cca4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Bike no longer Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 19:29:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01BECB0A.895345C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BECB0A.895345C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just to wrap up a loose end -- Some of you may remember a short discussion of a covered bike that fell = over near my abode in the District, how I felt it best to leave it over = given the circumstances, how I tried to keep it visible so the plows = wouldn't blade it, etc. Well, somebody righted it a few weeks later, = and there it stood and stood and . . .. I didn't mention it because I = didn't want to draw attention, and I could think of a reason or two why = it may have been the owner's desire to leave it there (not pleasant). = It was this stranger's business, and the city's. =20 Well, it's recently gone, a bunch of months later. Who knows? The = squirrels, I suppose, and others unknown. My luck there'll be a = muchbucks reward sign posted tomorrow. =20 Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> If you must leave me, give me an honorable goodbye. Over a = cliff, on a fiery pyre, . . .. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BECB0A.895345C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just to wrap up a loose end = --
 
Some of you may remember a short = discussion of a=20 covered bike that fell over near my abode in the District, how I felt it = best to=20 leave it over given the circumstances, how I tried to keep it visible so = the=20 plows wouldn't blade it, etc.  Well, somebody righted it a few = weeks later,=20 and there it stood and stood and . . ..  I didn't mention it = because I=20 didn't want to draw attention, and I could think of a reason or two why = it may=20 have been the owner's desire to leave it there (not pleasant).  It = was this=20 stranger's business, and the city's. 
 
Well, it's recently gone, a bunch of = months=20 later.  Who knows?  The squirrels, I suppose, and others=20 unknown.  My luck there'll be a muchbucks reward sign posted=20 tomorrow. 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 VN750 --> If you = must leave=20 me, give me an honorable goodbye.  Over a cliff, on a fiery pyre, . = .=20 ..
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding=20 fun.
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BECB0A.895345C0-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 10 22:51:03 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA15045 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 22:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 95 (207-172-80-117.s54.as6.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.80.117]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id WAA24124 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 22:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <018b01becb48$52e6e4e0$7550accf@95> From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: Mid-Ohio 7/16 - 7/18 Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 22:51:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Who is going? I am planning on leaving Thursday, but don't have a route or departure time because I want as many people as possible to work it out so we can all go up together. I don't mind coming up with a route, but want to be flexible for everyone and want any input any of you have. We will probably meet at whatever that eating place in Manasass is called (I can't remember that name to save my life) right off of 66 at 234 unless there is a better place to meet. Let me know, thanks! Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 11 00:36:29 1999 Return-Path: JimJacks@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA19857 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 00:36:09 -0400 (EDT) From: JimJacks@XXXXXX Received: from JimJacks@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id vNARa17790 (3871) for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 00:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6b960926.24b978e9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 00:34:49 EDT Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/10/99 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 loud pipes....are generally loud behind the bike, no? most of the bad shit happens in front of the bike, no? not that i have an important opinion, quiet is fine and loud, at least on harleys, sounds cool......but saving lives? my girlfriend was hit on a crosswalk by a bike (probably loud) racing another bike....but I think the volume did not prove sufficient to avert bad karma, a buddy has a really loud harley, but the cadillac in mclean still pulled out in front of him, and I know i have read about riders liberal use of horns (perhaps louder than loud pipes?) and the oncoming car/truck/suv/farm animal never heard a thing..... what is the point? typing practice? -j From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 11 07:19:38 1999 Return-Path: brn626@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA27063 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 07:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brn626 (207-172-77-5.s5.as1.lee.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.77.5]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA15980 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 07:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001201becb90$09ab4120$054daccf@brn626> From: "Brian N" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Isle of Man Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 07:25:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 What do you do when you are stuck in the house with a sore back and a heating pad? You watch motorcycling racing instead of riding. Did any catch the Isle of Man 99 Championship on Speedvision? This is some fun racing. These guys catch some incredible air on the streets at the Isle of Man! Not only big wheelies but some two wheels in the air. If they repeat the show its a must. While I best get back to the heating pad and todays racing. (Formula 1 British Gran prix, Fim World Superbikes and Supersports live from Laguna Seca.) I off to Mid Ohio on Thursday. Hope to see some of you there. I wish I could ride on the gourgous day but :~( See ya all soon, Brian N From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 11 09:28:29 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA29030 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 09:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA11510 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 09:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA09748 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 09:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140r1.ems.att.com ([135.65.202.58]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id JAA19027; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 09:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh3.ems.att.com by njb140r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id JAA07592; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 09:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh3.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <33VRANPB>; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 09:28:07 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE010E46A4@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Carver, John M, BGM" To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: --> Re: Dare I start this thread?? Was--> Cellphone Ban Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 09:28:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain <> True. (I KNEW someone would come up with SOME reason) However, I believe that in states which don't require Helmet usage, they DO require eye protection at all times. Something that really can't be argued against. You (collectively) may also gather from your statement that the only type of helmet that should be worn is a full face. I agree with that on my own terms, but not through force. I think the helmet debate will continue to rage on. I still wonder why people are worried about others' choices. Hopefully I've been polite and made some valid points about why I feel the way I do. (That was my intent) That's all for now. (Back to work on a Sunday that started at 3AM for me --UGG!) John 98VFR From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 11 10:43:04 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01869 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 10:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA11652 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 10:42:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA10338 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 10:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ursulina (207-172-41-25.s25.tnt10.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.41.25]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA08065 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 10:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01a001becbc4$e5ae8180$702daccf@ursulina> From: "Ursulina Viteri" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Note about that carb work on my 454 LTD Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 10:43:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Hi there, I gave the go ahead to that independent mechanic, Randy Creel (phone below), to do the carb work and find the oil leak on my bike, a 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD. He provided such fine work and quick turn around that I strongly recommending using his services. If you do, tell him Ursulina sent you. :-) Below is Randy's information and details of his work. Randy Creel Randy's Vintage Japanese, Herndon, VA 703-508-5786 (cash or personal checks) This is the work Randy provided for $210: * Remove, clean, and replace carburetors * Adjust and synchronize to specs * Replace 2 float bowl gaskets - that's were the fuel leak was coming from * Replace tachcometer drive seal - that's were the oil leak was coming from * Pick up and return motorcycle. Randy had the bike from the morning of Tues, July 5 to the evening of July 6 when he returned it to my place in Oakton. ** He also fixed the broken plastic stem on my right rear tail light. He tossed in that service for free because I'm so sweet and because he couldn't stand seeing the light dangle so helplessly. I can happily say my bike now runs VERY smoothly, has a little more pep than before, some of the back firing* has been eliminated and the oil and gas leaks are a thing of the past thanks to Randy's great work. All is well at the Casa de Motos Pequenas y Viejas (house of little old motorcycles). So well, that I'm not too worried about when I get that CBR 600 F3 I've been wanting. :-) * To eliminate back firing the baffles in the exhaust will need to be replaced. In my original post I said that Randy said it was the heat shields that need to be replaced. The loose heat shields were just adding to the rattling on the bike and had nothing to do with the back firing. That was a misunderstanding on my part. P.S.: Thanks to Jim Jacks(on) for recommending Randy! - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD (cleans carbs feel SOOOO good!) -----Original Message----- From: Ursulina Viteri To: DC Cycles Date: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 4:36 AM Subject: ?? about $$ for carb work >Hi ya, > >I've been given an estimate for carb work on my bike, a 1988 Kawasaki 454 >LTD. It's developed a fuel leak and back fires mercilessly, as anyone >that's ridden behind me knows. An independent mechanic has offered the >following quote: > >$210 to remove carbs, clean, reseal, adjust, and replace. He says he'll >have to keep the bike for a few days. How does that price and time frame >sound? > >Also, would this be called a "carb cleaning" or "carb rebuilding"? What's >the difference? > >The mechanic also noticed the rear muffler heat shields are missing and that >could be adding to the backfiring. To replace those would be an additional >cost. > >- - Ursulina >1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD >(old and cranky as she is, she can still go the distance! NO, not me, the >BIKE! :-) > > From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 11 10:48:57 1999 Return-Path: skight@XXXXXX Received: from enterprise.reliacom.com ([151.200.65.161]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02118 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 10:48:56 -0400 (EDT) From: skight@XXXXXX Received: by enterprise.reliacom.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 10:52:53 -0400 Message-ID: <0E21D1BF9FD8D211804F006008A591102E4169@enterprise.reliacom.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Who owns the suzuki bandit 1200 in ballston? Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 10:52:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Your bike is sitting next to mine, lets ride sometime! I am guessing you are on the list since you had an email from this list on your bike. Its time to put some miles on your ride! We will have one more ducati parked down there in a week or 2 as my girlfriend gets takes her MSF this week and gains the use of my older 900ss/cr. Scot Sorry about the specific use of the list like this, but hey, its still all about riding ;> From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 11 11:42:53 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03191 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 11:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA11768 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 11:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA10845 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 11:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (216-164-229-185.s439.tnt8.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.229.185]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA21115 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 11:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 99 11:38:49 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: Today's ride To: DC Cycles X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 Looked like it would be nice, but the karma just wasn't there. my left mirror fell off as I pulled out of my driveway, and when we hit the first set of twisties my head just wasn't in it. didn't want to hold everyone up and put ya'll at risk, which is why I bailed. hope everyone had fun. greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/11/99 HSTA/AMA 11:38:49 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 11 15:14:16 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA06552 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 15:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (a0168.chantilly.mns.net [206.239.104.200]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA07851; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 15:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <378918EC.40F0@mnsinc.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 15:21:32 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mobacc CC: dc-cycles Subject: re: Lanesplitting Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Swanson wrote: > 1. For some more on lanesplitting I've posted the Motorcycle Times article > of mine and a couple of subsequent insightful letters-to-editor from other > MT readers. > ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/Lanesplitting.txt Thanks Bill, I thought you might have something too share about this. In light of the anecdotal evidence posted around this topic, I think the first place that might go 'California' (so to speak ;) is DC itself. That should be the locus of any legislative campaign in my view. From there, acceptance of lanesplitting might be absorbed into the surrounding communities. In any event, you are right, sufficient numbers organized together - a critical mass as it's called - are the primary component. John Kozyn From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 11 16:49:58 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA07996 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA12627 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:49:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA14101 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:49:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (209-122-253-61.s61.tnt8.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.253.61]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA04083; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:49:51 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990711164602.00aaae80@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:48:22 -0400 To: Greg Sachs From: Mike T Subject: Re: Today's ride Cc: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:38 AM 7/11/99 , Greg Sachs wrote: >Looked like it would be nice, but the karma just wasn't there. my left >mirror fell off as I pulled out of my driveway, and when we hit the first >set of twisties my head just wasn't in it. didn't want to hold everyone >up and put ya'll at risk, which is why I bailed. hope everyone had fun. I noticed you had dropped out - thats too bad. I bailed at 211 - front end felt a little loose and it shuddered through a few turns, so I didn;t want to push it. Took me 30 minutes to trim the bumper of the VFR - just need a good source for some lightweight plexi to cover the hole for light to the rear plate. Looks a lot better short.... _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 11 17:09:56 1999 Return-Path: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08358 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 17:09:54 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2DGEa23618 (3924) for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 17:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 17:08:42 EDT Subject: Re: Today's ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 There was no need to bail. There was plenty of room at the rear! I'm sure you could've at least kept up with me. Except for being left behind (faaar behind at times) it was another good ride. Maybe next time I'll get my own ridesheet so I don't hold anyone up, and take the ride at a slower "scenic" speed. :) Rob "da caboose" VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 11 18:08:35 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09340 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (216-164-224-102.s102.tnt6.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.224.102]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA21855; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 99 18:01:10 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: Re: Today's ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, NJitzul@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii --- On Sun, 11 Jul 1999 17:08:42 EDT NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: >There was no need to bail. There was plenty of room at the rear! I'm sure you >could've at least kept up with me. Except for being left behind (faaar behind >at times) it was another good ride. Maybe next time I'll get my own ridesheet >so I don't hold anyone up, and take the ride at a slower "scenic" speed. :) > >Rob "da caboose" VanSlyke >83 Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- Maybe, but I didn't feel safe out there-I didn't get much sleep, and I was charging into turns but not reading them well at all. That plus the omen of having my mirror fall off this morning just suggested that the karma wasn't there. Got the mirror fixed, just had to braze in a new mounting post. Warning for Honda owners with mirrors that are mounted as such: post on mirror stem, through a clamp block, held in by a perpindicular screw that goes through a indent in the mirror post(VFR, I think cbr 900, not sure what else), make sure they stay greased. The part of the mounting post above the clamp/cross screw siezed in the mount, allowing the bottom half to twist away from it. This caused a break at the indent, which is why my mirror fell off.(just amazed at the timing, managed to avoid pavement that would have busted the mirror and meant a $60 charge for a new one. greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/11/99 HSTA/AMA 6:01:10 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 11 18:19:42 1999 Return-Path: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09508 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:19:41 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 3CBIa05643 (4326); Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8a355165.24ba71e8@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:17:12 EDT Subject: Re: Today's ride To: ges6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 I understand. Actually, I had alot of omens today: VA State Trooper going opposite direction flashed his lights at me on my way to the meeting place; had two vehicles pull out in front of me on the ride; got stuck behind several other vehicles that everyone else passed; we met up with yet another VA State Trooper at one of the stops asking about someone crossing the double-yellow at 120mph; and had a crow dive at me when I disturbed a flock of birds. But I didn't wreck... yet. I was thinking of going out for a slow ride, but now I'm reconsidering. Ride on and ride safe! Rob From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 11 21:35:22 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA12678 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 21:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.114]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.3.1) with SMTP id ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 21:30:20 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , , Subject: RE: Today's ride Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 21:30:49 -0400 Message-ID: <000501becc06$2c25d6e0$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <8a355165.24ba71e8@aol.com> Importance: Normal > But I didn't wreck... yet. I was thinking of going out > for a slow > ride, but now I'm reconsidering. Ride on and ride safe! I know the feeling about bad vibes. Got a REAL bad vibe on Friday. Was just out cruising around. Had my closest call ever. This idiot pulled out in such a way that the only thing to do was grab the brakes... HARD!! Hard enough, in fact, that the ABS cycled once. Definitely an underwear changing experience. Decided it was time to just head home, and work on some stuff around the house. All this weekend's luck (and probably much from the summer) got used up in about ten seconds. (It was probably only about 3, but it felt like forever.) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 11 21:57:51 1999 Return-Path: dankenney@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f276.hotmail.com [207.82.251.167]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA13083 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 21:57:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 40238 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jul 1999 01:56:52 -0000 Message-ID: <19990712015652.40237.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.164.242.124 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:56:51 PDT X-Originating-IP: [216.164.242.124] From: "DAN KENNEY" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sunday ride Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:56:51 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Today was a great ride ( in spite of getting lost momentariely). It was nice meeting everyone. I want to thank Anita for planning such a nice route. Man do I feel slow after seeing Collin ride my TL. By the way has anyone seen that bunch of bikes that passed someone on a double yellow yet?. There is a police officer in Va waiting for some one to confess!!!. Dan Kenney Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 02:09:39 1999 Return-Path: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA18147 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 02:09:38 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2FRWa06967 (535) for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 02:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1c41963f.24bae078@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 02:08:56 EDT Subject: Re: Today's ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 My closest call happened to ruin Anita's safety record. I think that wreck is still in the back of my mind, and I am really slowing down for turns as a consequence. Not that my Shadow is a speed demon, or twisties terror anyways. :) Rob VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 07:46:40 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA23754 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 07:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA15255 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 07:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA24932 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 07:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112138036.cit.nih.gov [165.112.138.36]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA7700800 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 07:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3789D62C.F24AC96D@radix.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 07:49:00 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Tow damage - full story Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A couple of weeks ago, I posted that I incurred some damage in a tow. Here's what happened. Here's the short version: Advanced Towing & Recovery, of Great Falls ( according to Fairfax Co. licensing ) Va. (703) 830-5111 caused over $350 of cosmetic damage to my bike on 8 June, 1999, while transporting it to Fast Lane Cycles of Chantilly, Va. They don't want to pay for it. Please, whatever you do, DO NOT USE these IDIOTS. Also, don't call their number listed above to get a tow & not be there when they show up, that wouldn't be nice....... Full Story: I had a problem at MIR on 4 June, had to be towed home. Got there safe & sound thanks to Kevin's towing of Lexington Park, MD. Kevin took great care not to screw up the machine. when I parked the bike, Kevin, my wife & I all checked the bike over, & no damage was incurred. Kevin was a good guy & a pro, don't hesitate for a minute to use his services should you need them. Monday, 7 June, I called Fast Lane Cycles, while loading up magazines for my AKS-47, wondering what happened to those damned flatsides... I got 2 tow #'s from Rick. I thought it would work out better to get someone local to Fast Lane, since I live in Md... I contacted Advanced Towing & Recovery, they had an account with Fast Lane, billing directly to them. He didn't show on the 7th ( I should have gotten someone else at this point, I know ). I called him on the 8th, he had the wrong # & showed up on the 8th of June about 2:30 PM. he had a 'regular type' tow truck, with a T shaped extension & wheel guides. There were 2 guys, they assured me it was stable. It looked that way once the bike was on it. No damage occurred to my bike until it had arrived at Fast Lane. The Fast Lane guys began unloading, when Greg noticed the damage. 'Yates is an S.O.B. , but he didn't do this crap'... Fast Lane said 'no money for you dude, this guy's a long time customer that spends LOTS of money here & he didn't do this. Fast Lane called me, told me about it, said the driver said I did it. I talked to the driver, who wanted his money. He got Pi$$ed & tried to take the bike. By hook or crook, he was not permitted to leave the Fast Lane parking lot, & the bike was unloaded by the Fast Lane mechanics even as the driver tried to stop them. I had the police called, they wouldn't even get out of the car. They dismissed the tow truck driver & that was that. Subsequent contact with the driver has revealed : 1: He's a member of the Idiot Network. 2: he's a liar. & 3: he doesn't have the slightest feeling of guilt. Fast Lane is certain that the tow truck caused the damage in transit, due to the way it was secured. Damage consisted of a gouged lower fork tube, not readily visible, but a scar nonetheless, broken left lower fairing & broken tail light housing, & lost key. The 2 fairing pieces are less than $400 from Kawasaki... Suing in Small Claims court could possibly recoup my money, & it isn't expensive, but nothing is certain... I'm debating this now. While Fast Lane took their sweet, Mrs. Butterworth's time fixing it, I have my bike back, & who knows what would have happened to it if the idiots had made off with it. A word of caution, get the license info & the Business insurance info from the tow truck driver before you ever let them touch your vehicle - then you have some leverage... Thanks, -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Analyst Soza & Company, Ltd. IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator ATG Group Webmaster (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 09:12:42 1999 Return-Path: 900rrmofo@XXXXXX Received: from mailcity.com (fes-qout.whowhere.com [209.1.236.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA25628 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailcity.com; Mon Jul 12 06:12:01 1999 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "DAN KENNEY" Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 06:12:01 -0700 From: "C J" <900rrmofo@XXXXXX> Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Sunday ride X-Sender-Ip: 140.188.64.152 Organization: MailCity (http://www.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah what a suprise it must have been for you all..... To ride up to the store and see the MoFo's stopped with a sherrifs car parked next to us..... When the officer (she) pulled up, she asked us if we had passed a car on the double yellow ?? We all looked at one another and said Nothing at all to her.....Basically just ignored her.... Like what was she going to do anyway....She had seen nothing.... Thanks for the ride Anita... --- Craig 99 RR On Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:56:51 DAN KENNEY wrote: >Today was a great ride ( in spite of getting lost momentariely). It was nice >meeting everyone. I want to thank Anita for planning such a nice route. Man >do I feel slow after seeing Collin ride my TL. By the way has anyone seen >that bunch of bikes that passed someone on a double yellow yet?. There is a >police officer in Va waiting for some one to confess!!!. > > > >Dan Kenney >Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://my.lycos.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 09:13:00 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.114]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25631 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:12:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by wodc7mr0.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgxnw01171; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 13:12:33 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 852567AC.0049443C ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:20:15 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "George Howell" cc: NJitzul@XXXXXX, ges6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567AC.00494241.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:11:50 -0400 Subject: RE: Today's ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline You know, it really amazes me how many chances cagers are taking nowadays. Three times this weekend we had a cager pull a quick left-handed turn right in front of us and once right in front of a car! This was not a case of "I didn't see you" as we were riding at night with headlights on. It just seems like people are driving much more dangerously lately. If it's not the red-light runners, it's the left-handers. Be careful out there! I love the idea of watching out for "bad karma" & going home instead of risking it. I live my life by that. Instincts sometimes are our best savior. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "George Howell" on 07/11/99 09:30:49 PM To: NJitzul@XXXXXX, ges6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: RE: Today's ride > But I didn't wreck... yet. I was thinking of going out > for a slow > ride, but now I'm reconsidering. Ride on and ride safe! I know the feeling about bad vibes. Got a REAL bad vibe on Friday. Was just out cruising around. Had my closest call ever. This idiot pulled out in such a way that the only thing to do was grab the brakes... HARD!! Hard enough, in fact, that the ABS cycled once. Definitely an underwear changing experience. Decided it was time to just head home, and work on some stuff around the house. All this weekend's luck (and probably much from the summer) got used up in about ten seconds. (It was probably only about 3, but it felt like forever.) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 09:14:34 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25641 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA15740 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alms1.fw.att.com (alms1.att.com [192.128.167.146]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA26166 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flf960r1.ems.att.com ([135.71.244.37]) by alms1.fw.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id JAA01487; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:14:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh3.ems.att.com by flf960r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id JAA14312; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh3.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <33VRASM4>; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:14:00 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE010E49D3@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Carver, John M, BGM" To: NJitzul@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: VA State Trooper & 120 mph Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:13:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Rob wrote: << . . . .we met up with yet another VA State Trooper at one of the stops asking about someone crossing the double-yellow at 120mph . . .> Sooo???? Did you witness the individual that perpetrated this heinous act? ;-) (Details please) John 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 10:03:02 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26438 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user36.anent.com [208.195.115.36]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA04179 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:59:48 -0400 Message-ID: <003201becc6f$45a303e0$2473c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" References: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE010E49D3@vae820po01.nova.att.com> Subject: Re: VA State Trooper & 120 mph Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:56:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > Rob wrote: > > << . . . .we met up with yet another > VA State Trooper at one of the stops asking about someone crossing the > double-yellow at 120mph . . .> > > Sooo???? Did you witness the individual that perpetrated this heinous act? > ;-) (Details please) > > John > 98 VFR Individual(s)... And no I didn't see it... And it was a County cop, not a State Trooper... ;-) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 10:21:28 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26753 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Anita.dlt.com ([199.4.241.102]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA30581; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:21:29 -0400 Message-Id: <199907121421.KAA30581@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "C J" <900rrmofo@XXXXXX> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:21:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Sunday ride CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) On 12 Jul 99, at 6:12, C J wrote: > Yeah what a suprise it must have been for you all..... > > To ride up to the store and see the MoFo's stopped with a sherrifs > car parked next to us..... Yup, I was wondering what the heck you guys did this time! Then I wondered if we should just ride past like we didn't know you all!! :-) > Thanks for the ride Anita... You're welcome! Great weather, great roads, *way* too much traffic (compared to how deserted those roads usually are)... guess everyone came out of hibernation with the lower temps/humidity. I guess I should keep practicing on 688 'cause I don't know it well enough yet! :-) Anita PS - Anyone figure out where 628 is yet? That's the road that the county cop asked us about (and said there were 2 crashes there yesterday morning). From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 10:25:12 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26776 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:25:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Anita.dlt.com ([199.4.241.102]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA31070; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:25:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199907121425.KAA31070@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:25:38 -0400 Subject: RE: Today's ride CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <852567AC.00494241.00@172.16.2.37> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) On 12 Jul 99, at 9:11, Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > You know, it really amazes me how many chances cagers are taking > nowadays. My favorite bonehead manuever from yesterday was a Mercedes sport-ute BACKING UP on 678 in GW National Forest.. came around a corner and not only was there a car in my lane... not just stopped, but backing up because they missed their turn! I think the same car did something similarly stupid as the faster group went by! And then there was that pickup truck doing a 5-point turn in the middle of a turn.. oh yeah, it was a fun day! Anita (believes in bad karma as well!) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 11:20:33 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA27833 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:20:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA16616 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA29349 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA06175; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:20:13 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990712111925.01911510@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:20:07 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: From the VFR list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" http://www.marseeproducts.com/main.html Scroll down and check out the bike - 210 lbs, 75 HP....hmmm...... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 11:20:47 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA27836 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA28308 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3NBGZKNW>; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:25:05 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427D4F324@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Cellphone Ban Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:25:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain The "failure to maintain control of vechicle" type statute comes to mind when those drivers on the road devote more attention to gabbing than steering. Seems like a real opportunity for the County of Fairfax and the Commonwealth of Virginia to make some money while meeting ticket quotas. The statement of fact as to whether a driver has a phone in hand as opposed to on the steering wheel is a matter of kind, that is, either a person is holding a phone in their hand while driving or they are not. I like the idea of someone paying full attention when piloting a mass on the order of tons especially when compared to riding my two-wheeler with a weight in terms of pounds. Mike 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 11:37:13 1999 Return-Path: NickKaiho@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28085 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:37:11 -0400 (EDT) From: NickKaiho@XXXXXX Received: from NickKaiho@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2ZYWa14320 (8017) for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:36:33 EDT Subject: hi To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 18 Hi, I'm new to the area, and new to this list. I was wondering when/where the next ride would be taking place. I checked out the website and the "upcoming rides" link is bad. -Nick 99 Duc 748 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 12:01:32 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA28610 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA17049 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA00353 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:01:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lcsa3 (mail.lcsa.org) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FER004CKLT19C@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:56:08 -0400 From: Gary Foreman Subject: RE: cell phone Ban In-reply-to: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427D4F324@tralfaz.treev.com> To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <006201becc7f$0e03de40$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) How about a law forbidding reading while driving! No shit, I was on 28 south last wed. A lady stopped at the light was reading a book and driving. I thought she would put it down when moving, but she kept the paperback in hand, all the while looking up, then down at the book, WHILE MOVING! So at an opportune moment, I blew the horn (while she was looking down). The book flew, and I guess went out of her reach. She had no idea who blew the horn, but was having a slight panic attack (wish it was a heart attack). Sure as shit, next light she leaned over, got the book, and continued her novel. P.S. She was not some young kid, I'd say she was 50 years old. My feel on the cell phone. Using it is not a good idea while driving, but why give the cops another excuse to pull you over (Duh, I saw them talking so I figured they were using a cell phone). If we are going to ban Cell Phones, let go ahead and ban eating, looking at your passenger and talking, talking in general, singing with the radio, scratching your ass... Well, as you see it can get ridiculous. Too many laws...not enough action/conviction. I feel the same about gun laws. Let's find a way to enforce what we have instead of making new ones. "failure to maintain control of vehicle" is against the law. Last accident I was in some asshole on the Dulles Toll Road (I was on the Dulles Access Rd) tried to cut over and came up the ramp the wrong way to avoid the traffic backup. I was exiting the Dulles Rd onto the Toll Rd. The rest is history, plowed him with my CRX. He was charged with reckless driving. 1st time in court, it was continued (1 day work lost for me). 2nd day in Court, lawyer had it reduced to Improper driving. 2 days work lost for me. So much for justice. > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Jay [mailto:mjay@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 11:25 AM > To: 'DC Cycles' > Subject: RE: Cellphone Ban > > > The "failure to maintain control of vechicle" type statute comes to mind > when those drivers on the road devote more attention to gabbing than > steering. > > Seems like a real opportunity for the County of Fairfax and the > Commonwealth > of Virginia to make some money while meeting ticket quotas. > > The statement of fact as to whether a driver has a phone in hand > as opposed > to on the steering wheel is a matter of kind, that is, either a person is > holding a phone in their hand while driving or they are not. > > I like the idea of someone paying full attention when piloting a > mass on the > order of tons especially when compared to riding my two-wheeler with a > weight in terms of pounds. > > Mike > 82 XJ750RJ > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 12:03:56 1999 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@[207.124.52.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA28630 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:03:42 -0400 (EDT) From: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from jnewman ([192.168.13.162]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA01708 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:06:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199907121506.LAA01708@bmdo.mcri.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:59:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Crazy Cagers- Was"Today's ride" Priority: normal In-reply-to: <852567AC.00494241.00@172.16.2.37> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Jeannette_Zell wrote: > "You know, it really amazes me how many chances cagers are taking nowadays. > Three times this weekend we had a cager pull a quick left-handed turn right in > front of us and once right in front of a car! >...Just seems like people are driving much more dangerously lately. I am quickly learning to NEVER, EVER underestimate how desperate, reckless and area drivers have become. After living and driving in this area for the last three years, yesterday I was witness to the the most asinine driving manuver I have ever come across... The scene: Yesterday I was riding on 395 south from DC over the 14th st bridge heading for the GW parkway. As many of you are probably familiar, the exit from 395 to the GW PW is fairly sharp, BLIND, [ because of the large concrete barrier which runs along the right side] downhill exit. Well, this guy decided at the last minute that he did not want to get on the gw parkway after all, and after he had gone partway down the ramp, starts backing up... Keep in mind that this ramp is only about 2 "compact" car widths wide... The guy in front of me missed him by just about locking his brakes up. I had plenty of room to slow down and pass, in part because I was tipped off by the horn and screeching from the car in front of me. The moral of this story is to never think to yourself: "nobody is really stupid enough to back up on a bind freeway exit with traffic at 55mph." There are people out there who ARE that stupid. Shaking my head in disgust, -John N. 88 400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 12:10:50 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA28732 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user152.anent.com [208.195.115.152]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA00335 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:07:33 -0400 Message-ID: <020901becc81$1ed55ee0$2473c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" References: <199907121421.KAA30581@radagast.wizard.net> Subject: Re: Sunday ride Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:10:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > On 12 Jul 99, at 6:12, C J wrote: > > > Yeah what a suprise it must have been for you all..... > > > > To ride up to the store and see the MoFo's stopped with a sherrifs > > car parked next to us..... > > Yup, I was wondering what the heck you guys did this time! Then I > wondered if we should just ride past like we didn't know you all!! :-) Actually it was great that you pulled in. There were motorcycles everywhere. The cop didn't know which way to look. > > Thanks for the ride Anita... > > You're welcome! Great weather, great roads, *way* too much > traffic (compared to how deserted those roads usually are)... guess > everyone came out of hibernation with the lower temps/humidity. > > I guess I should keep practicing on 688 'cause I don't know it well > enough yet! :-) You don't give yourself enough credit! Seriously! > Anita > > PS - Anyone figure out where 628 is yet? That's the road that the > county cop asked us about (and said there were 2 crashes there > yesterday morning). Just found it on SA5. Look at Rt. 729 and find Eggbornsville (!?) about halfway between 229 and 211. 628 runs east and west from there. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 12:21:49 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA28973 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (216-164-230-193.s193.tnt7.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.230.193]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA03438; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 99 12:17:39 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: RE: hi To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, NickKaiho@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii --- On Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:36:33 EDT NickKaiho@XXXXXX wrote: >Hi, > >I'm new to the area, and new to this list. I was wondering when/where the >next ride would be taking place. I checked out the website and the "upcoming >rides" link is bad. > >-Nick >99 Duc 748 > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- There is a MD HSTA ride this Sunday, info below. Prior to each Sunday ride we will have Breakfast at the Four Seasons Restaurant. Breakfast is at 8:00 AM SHARP. The restaurant gets very busy so try to be on time. The Four Seasons is located on Rt. 144 just east of the junction of Rt. 27 and I-70 in Mount Airy, Md. You can see the restaurant on the south side of I-70 just east of Rt. 27. Even if you can't ride with us that day why not come by for a good breakfast and some great conversation. If you need directions call Jack at 301-854-3852. I will try and make this one, if I can wake up. that's usually hard though. greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/12/99 HSTA/AMA 12:17:39 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 13:15:20 1999 Return-Path: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA29908 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 13:15:18 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id cWKHa13191 (7999); Mon, 12 Jul 1999 13:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 13:13:00 EDT Subject: Re: Sunday ride To: 2xracers@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 In a message dated 7/12/99 10:28:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 2xracers@XXXXXX writes: << PS - Anyone figure out where 628 is yet? That's the road that the county cop asked us about (and said there were 2 crashes there yesterday morning). >> I found where 628 is West of 55. After I split from the group, I found my way to 55 and cruised West for a bit. I noticed the road and decided to take it. One word: BOOORING!! Well, at least for the rest of you guys and gals. Past 55 it's pretty straight and wide. Only way someone could wreck there is if they were going 120mph crossing on a double yellow. Hmmmm.... Rob VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 13:20:00 1999 Return-Path: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA29940 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 13:19:59 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2DNBa11075 (7999) for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 13:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 13:18:36 EDT Subject: Re: VA State Trooper & 120 mph To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 In a message dated 7/12/99 10:09:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bnorton@XXXXXX writes: << Individual(s)... And no I didn't see it... And it was a County cop, not a State Trooper... ;-) >> Well, I wasn't going any 120 (bike is rather speed limited), but... uh... no comment. Hey, that Mustang was turning off the road at that point and I swerved to miss!! Yeah.. that's my story and I'm sticking to it. It had lights on the car, and a badge on the officer so it didn't matter if she was County or State to me. A ticket's a ticket. =8^O Rob "ticket free" VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 14:10:51 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA01154 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id LAA17641 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:10:47 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:10:47 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sunday ride & bad motorscooter Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:10:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi all - I'm looking for some group wisdom here I bailed on Sunday as my scooter started doing bad things, and I figured the closer to home I was the better, should the beast stop entirely. Here are the symptoms: Under neutral throttle, bike runs OK Under slight acceleration (light throttle, changing from level flight to climb), the engine stutters and misses - this is steady, not intermittent. The more I load the engine, the worse the missing becomes... If I go WFO - the miss disappears and I accelerate smoothly until the scooter catches up to the throttle setting, whereupon it starts missing again. I drained the tank and put in fresh gas on the possibility I got a bad batch in Middleburg, but to no avail. Thoughts? Thanks Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 14:17:16 1999 Return-Path: mark.petty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01312 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3TNQW0T0>; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:11:02 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Inspection question Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:10:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain My bike is (over) due for its inspection. The only thing that worries me is that when the high beams are on, the idiot light isn't. Is this a flaggable offense? thanks, Mark From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 14:21:15 1999 Return-Path: 900rrmofo@XXXXXX Received: from mailcity.com (fes-qout.whowhere.com [209.1.236.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA01435 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailcity.com; Mon Jul 12 11:20:07 1999 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:20:07 -0700 From: "C J" <900rrmofo@XXXXXX> Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Sunday ride X-Sender-Ip: 151.200.120.144 Organization: MailCity (http://www.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit honest deputy dog......we did nothing...hehehe...... I was just following............hahaha....lmao Actually we were quite mild while passing.... Attempts were made at being quiet......trying not to scare the white hairs.... don't it make your brown hair blue ?? --- Craig 99 RR Not that you need any more practice on that road........but knowing where the new leaf fall is could be helpful... On Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:21:52 Anita Lauro wrote: >Yup, I was wondering what the heck you guys did this time! Then I >wondered if we should just ride past like we didn't know you all!! :-) > >I guess I should keep practicing on 688 'cause I don't know it well >enough yet! :-) > >Anita Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://my.lycos.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 14:37:53 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01751 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user207.anent.com [208.195.115.207]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA00649; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:34:36 -0400 Message-ID: <041c01becc95$aa8b4580$2473c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "Mark Petty" , References: Subject: Re: Inspection question Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:37:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I think that it can fail inspection for this. Whether the inspector will catch it is another question. It's probably just a burned out bulb in the guage cluster. What kind of bike is it? > My bike is (over) due for its inspection. The only thing that worries me > is that when the high beams are on, the idiot light isn't. Is this a > flaggable offense? > > thanks, > Mark From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 14:38:01 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01753 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <3Y0SD5KM>; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:37:34 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Sunday ride & bad motorscooter Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:37:30 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) My first guess is that you've some little bit of something caught in the carb bowl... more than likely it's interfering with a jet (slow/air jet). though it may be that you've developed an air-leak in a slide diaphragm. The only 2 places the bike runs well is WFO and 0 throttle? Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 14:52:03 1999 Return-Path: mark.petty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA02009 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3TNQW0ZP>; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:45:54 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Inspection question Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:45:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain '83 V65 Magna, which apparently has a sealed instrument cluster, which apparently costs several hundred to replace. The other thought is that I might be able to fix this by cleaning the switch mechanism. How likely is this? -Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Norton [mailto:bnorton@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 2:38 PM > To: Mark Petty; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Inspection question > > > I think that it can fail inspection for this. Whether the > inspector will catch > it is another question. It's probably just a burned out bulb > in the guage > cluster. What kind of bike is it? > > > > My bike is (over) due for its inspection. The only thing > that worries me > > is that when the high beams are on, the idiot light isn't. Is this a > > flaggable offense? > > > > thanks, > > Mark > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 15:13:11 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA02358 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:12:06 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:12:03 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:10:15 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mark.petty@XXXXXX Subject: Inspection question -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Best way to find out is dig out that little pink slip from your last inspection--It lists all the check items on one side. It seems stupid that they could flunk you for a burnt idiot light, but then the whole damn program is stupid so it's anyone's guess. stickers suck, Joe From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 15:24:15 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02526 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user207.anent.com [208.195.115.207]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA00975; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:20:58 -0400 Message-ID: <046e01becc9c$24f5b700$2473c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "Mark Petty" , References: Subject: Re: Inspection question Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:24:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Not according to the parts fiche. Instrument bulbs are shown as separate parts. It looks like the sockets come out where the wiring runs into the back of the cluster. Might be worth another look. I don't think it would be the switch but I could be wrong. Bruce > '83 V65 Magna, which apparently has a sealed instrument cluster, which > apparently costs several hundred to replace. The other thought is that I > might be able to fix this by cleaning the switch mechanism. How likely > is this? > > -Mark From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 15:24:36 1999 Return-Path: schelzig@XXXXXX Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02529 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PC37 ([63.72.70.153]) by cpiserv2.uu.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id 3XKQ1TFF; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:17:55 -0400 Message-ID: <003f01becc9c$7092dcb0$9946483f@pc37> From: "Erik Schelzig" To: "Mark Petty" , Subject: Re: Inspection question Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:26:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I've never known motorcycle inspection to be that thorough. As long as your lights work, they're not going to take note of stuff like that. Go to Crossroads Cycles and Dennis will go through the inspect without giving you any crap - unless you deserve getting crap, but that's a different story! Erik --- Erik J. Schelzig 80 CX500D "Das Beast" http://gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~schelzig -----Original Message----- From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 2:39 PM Subject: Inspection question >My bike is (over) due for its inspection. The only thing that worries me >is that when the high beams are on, the idiot light isn't. Is this a >flaggable offense? > >thanks, >Mark > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 15:24:55 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1102.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.122]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA02532 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:24:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990712192436.29197.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1102.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:24:36 PDT Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:24:36 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Inspection question To: Bruce Norton , Mark Petty , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't know, no one has ever looked at my instrument cluster in an inspection (in Virginia). --- Bruce Norton wrote: > I think that it can fail inspection for this. > Whether the inspector will catch > it is another question. It's probably just a burned > out bulb in the guage > cluster. What kind of bike is it? > > > > My bike is (over) due for its inspection. The only > thing that worries me > > is that when the high beams are on, the idiot > light isn't. Is this a > > flaggable offense? > > > > thanks, > > Mark > > === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 15:33:13 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02717 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00475 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3NBGZK89>; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:37:29 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427D4F325@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Good article -Reply Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:37:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Hi everybody, Just thought I would see if the barrel still needed stirring.... The "I will only hurt myself" verbiage must mean: -- both the author's parents have past away, -- he has no aunts, uncles, cousins or other caring kin folk, -- he has no friends, -- has never fathered/adopted any children; and, -- and has no significant other in his life. But, then again that depends on if hurt means merely physical injury. "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child. But, when I became a man, I put away the things of a child." (guess who) In all fairness though, I agree with his overall point--in fact, who takes the greater risk? We who commute around D.C. Or, the author who rides in the vast expanses of Montana. Mike 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 15:40:41 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02843 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user207.anent.com [208.195.115.207]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA01075 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:37:23 -0400 Message-ID: <049201becc9e$6fdb61a0$2473c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: References: Subject: Re: Inspection question -Reply Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:40:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Those little check boxes don't mean squat. They only list the general areas, not the specific items checked. FWIW I was a VA inspector for many years. > Best way to find out is dig out that little pink slip from your last > inspection--It lists all the check items on one side. It seems stupid > that they could flunk you for a burnt idiot light, but then the whole > damn program is stupid so it's anyone's guess. > > stickers suck, > > Joe From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 15:44:11 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02930 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA06699 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:44:04 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990712154232.01f44ab0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:43:54 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Inspection question In-Reply-To: <003f01becc9c$7092dcb0$9946483f@pc37> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:26 PM 7/12/99 , Erik Schelzig wrote: >I've never known motorcycle inspection to be that thorough. As long as your >lights work, they're not going to take note of stuff like that. Go to >Crossroads Cycles and Dennis will go through the inspect without giving you >any crap - unless you deserve getting crap, but that's a different story! If you don;t want _any_ crap - just go to any Inspection station / gas station! I don;t know how it works in MD, but in VA you roll in and they look at your blinkers and slap a sticker on (for bikes). They are pretty anal with cars though.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 15:59:32 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1103.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.123]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA03175 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:59:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990712195948.17490.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1103.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:59:48 PDT Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:59:48 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Inspection question To: Mark Petty , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Another thought on this. I have an old Honda too (82 CX500) and it has had some weird problems with the gauge lights and taillight. According to Dennis as Crossroad Cycles, this is not uncommon in Hondas of that era and is related to the ignition switch. (In my case, the taillight worked fine in park and then went away when the ignition was on... but the brake light continued to work. At the same time all lights on the cluster stopped working). They were able to fix it with a work around that kept me from having to replace the ignition switch. This lasted about a year and now it's doing it again (as of yesterday dammit!). Of course, the bulb is a more likely cause, but who knows? --- John Whiteside wrote: > I don't know, no one has ever looked at my > instrument > cluster in an inspection (in Virginia). > > --- Bruce Norton wrote: > > I think that it can fail inspection for this. > > Whether the inspector will catch > > it is another question. It's probably just a > burned > > out bulb in the guage > > cluster. What kind of bike is it? > > > > > > > My bike is (over) due for its inspection. The > only > > thing that worries me > > > is that when the high beams are on, the idiot > > light isn't. Is this a > > > flaggable offense? > > > > > > thanks, > > > Mark > > > > > > === > John Whiteside > Arlington, VA > jwhiteside@XXXXXX > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > > === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 16:07:09 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA03355 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:06:24 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:06:18 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:04:44 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: bnorton@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Inspection question -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline So are idiot (sorry, high-beam indicator) lites a factor or not? >>> "Bruce Norton" - 7/12/99 3:40 PM >>> Those little check boxes don't mean squat. They only list the general areas, not the specific items checked. FWIW I was a VA inspector for many years. > Best way to find out is dig out that little pink slip from your last > inspection--It lists all the check items on one side. It seems stupid > that they could flunk you for a burnt idiot light, but then the whole > damn program is stupid so it's anyone's guess. > > stickers suck, > > Joe From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 16:24:37 1999 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA03646 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WadeMarshall.ncea.org ([12.4.21.59]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA02241 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 13:24:04 -0700 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:16:21 -0400 Message-ID: <01BECC81.E18CC860.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Inspection question Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:16:20 -0400 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree 100%. When Coleman can't do any more inspections, they send you to a gas station up the street. When I got there, the inspection was finished before I got my helmet and gloves off. This was better than the experience at Coleman which once failed me because I was missing a reflector on the side, which was missing when I bought it used from Coleman (noted on the sales contract) and which was ignored each following year at reinspection time. I guess one year I got the new guy. They did offer to sell me the $14.00 Honda part, but I bought an ugly bicycle one for $1.25 which works just fine. Cedric 1987 CBR600 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 3:44 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Inspection question At 03:26 PM 7/12/99 , Erik Schelzig wrote: >I've never known motorcycle inspection to be that thorough. As long as your >lights work, they're not going to take note of stuff like that. Go to >Crossroads Cycles and Dennis will go through the inspect without giving you >any crap - unless you deserve getting crap, but that's a different story! If you don;t want _any_ crap - just go to any Inspection station / gas station! I don;t know how it works in MD, but in VA you roll in and they look at your blinkers and slap a sticker on (for bikes). They are pretty anal with cars though.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 16:36:31 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA03963 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (209-122-214-217.s471.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.214.217]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA25196 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 99 16:31:40 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: Re: Inspection question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 And the part Number looks to be 34908-M80-003, or honda code 1260611 This is assuming that the indicators are all in the row of 5 lights going below the speedo/tachs. greg --- On Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:24:11 -0400 Bruce Norton wrote: >Not according to the parts fiche. Instrument bulbs are shown as separate parts. >It looks like the sockets come out where the wiring runs into the back of the >cluster. Might be worth another look. I don't think it would be the switch but >I could be wrong. > >Bruce > >> '83 V65 Magna, which apparently has a sealed instrument cluster, which >> apparently costs several hundred to replace. The other thought is that I >> might be able to fix this by cleaning the switch mechanism. How likely >> is this? >> >> -Mark > > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/12/99 HSTA/AMA 4:31:40 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 16:44:56 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA04071 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA19426 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA12274 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA06823 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:44:51 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990712164411.01949d70@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:44:49 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Rain, Rain, Go Away Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Any chance of the rain going away before my wet ride home? Thats what I get for watching the weather this morning. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 17:07:10 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04484 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA19666 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA13201 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FER008IHZYWU0@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 21:06:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta01.mcit.com (omzmta01.mcit.com [166.37.194.119]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA21715; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 21:02:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.38.156.10]) by omzmta01.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990712210632.MBLE19297@toddnt>; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 21:06:32 +0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:04:52 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Rain, Rain, Go Away In-reply-to: <4.1.19990712164411.01949d70@mail.wheatintl.com> To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000e01beccaa$2fb3c610$0a9c26a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Yippi! And me w/o rain gear! T > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 4:45 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Rain, Rain, Go Away > > > Any chance of the rain going away before my wet ride home? Thats what I > get for watching the weather this morning. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 17:09:04 1999 Return-Path: tansey@XXXXXX Received: from links.magenta.com (tansey@XXXXXX [151.199.66.150]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04505 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by links.magenta.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA14936; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:05:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:05:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Tansey To: Erik Schelzig cc: Mark Petty , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Inspection question In-Reply-To: <003f01becc9c$7092dcb0$9946483f@pc37> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 12 Jul 1999, Erik Schelzig wrote: > I've never known motorcycle inspection to be that thorough. As long as your > lights work, they're not going to take note of stuff like that. Go to > Crossroads Cycles and Dennis will go through the inspect without giving you > any crap - unless you deserve getting crap, but that's a different story! Another vote for Crossroads. I had my bike tuned up there, and noticed it needed to be inspected as I was pulling away. He did a quick check of things (all major stuff, not the cluster or anything) and I was on my way for $5. Shannon From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 17:23:22 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04792 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:23:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2PGIa06967 (4457) for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:22:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4f68f38.24bbb695@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:22:29 EDT Subject: Bad towing stories To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Just a word to the wise concerning towing companies. Unless you have dealt with a particular company, and even a particular driver on more than one occasion yourself, assume that all towing companies are less than admirable. I kind of had an interesting perspective presented to me when I used to hang out with a friend of mine who drove for several companies. Some companies are great companies, but there are many individual drivers who are out & out crooks. If you're ever having any towing done, and you have some time, do some serious checking. It can save you A LOT of grief. -Sean Jordan '83 CBR1000F From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 17:26:50 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04813 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA19864 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:26:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA13757 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdell15yze (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA08849; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:32:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000601beccad$94de07a0$ce01a8c0@wsdell15yze.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt Senser" To: "Todd Peer" , "Troutman" , Subject: Re: Rain, Rain, Go Away Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:29:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 me too... of course I only have a 5 minute commute, but it's all on the higway. Rain hurts at 75 mph :-( Hobbes 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va. -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer To: Troutman ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 5:16 PM Subject: RE: Rain, Rain, Go Away >Yippi! And me w/o rain gear! > >T > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 4:45 PM >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Rain, Rain, Go Away >> >> >> Any chance of the rain going away before my wet ride home? Thats what I >> get for watching the weather this morning. >> >> ___________________________________________ >> Mike Troutman >> http://www.troutman.org >> >> '97 Honda VFR 750 >> >> From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 17:29:23 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04904 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:29:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2LPUa28467 (4457) for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <10988210.24bbb7d8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:27:52 EDT Subject: Re: hi To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Hey Nic! If I'm thinking correctly, I believe we met at the World Cafe in Sterling. Anywho, good to see you on the list! -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 17:30:34 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04984 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.159]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.3.1) with SMTP id ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:25:30 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Troutman" , Subject: RE: Inspection question Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:26:16 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01beccad$2c919720$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <4.1.19990712154232.01f44ab0@mail.wheatintl.com> Importance: Normal It's pretty darned easy in Md. If it's safe to ride on the street, it passes. All lights and horn must work. Check tread depth, and brake pad thickness. Then you are on your way. For the original poster: bring a box of donuts with you to the inspection station. The correct phrase is: "I was gonna have a donut while you inspected my bike. I can't eat them all. Do you guys want the rest?" ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > If you don;t want _any_ crap - just go to any Inspection station / gas > station! I don;t know how it works in MD, but in VA you roll in and they > look at your blinkers and slap a sticker on (for bikes). They are pretty > anal with cars though.... From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 17:30:33 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04981 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA19906 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA13884 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.159]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.3.1) with SMTP id ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:25:28 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Gary Foreman" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: cell phone Ban Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:26:12 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01beccad$2a9a0ce0$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <006201becc7f$0e03de40$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> Importance: Normal > so I figured they were using a cell phone). If we are going to ban Cell > Phones, let go ahead and ban eating, looking at your passenger > and talking, > talking in general, singing with the radio, scratching your > ass... Well, as > you see it can get ridiculous. I see you didn't specify nose picking, so I'm safe. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 17:41:15 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA05114 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA19985 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:41:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA14086 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.16.2.37 by dfw7sosrv11.alter.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgxpe01537; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 21:41:05 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 852567AC.0077D684 ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:48:57 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Todd Peer cc: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567AC.0077D654.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:40:29 -0400 Subject: RE: Rain, Rain, Go Away Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Me too. : ( - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Todd Peer on 07/12/99 05:04:52 PM To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: RE: Rain, Rain, Go Away Yippi! And me w/o rain gear! T > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 4:45 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Rain, Rain, Go Away > > > Any chance of the rain going away before my wet ride home? Thats what I > get for watching the weather this morning. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 18:29:21 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA06025 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA20490 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:29:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA15470 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (209-122-220-232.s486.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.220.232]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA06999 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:29:15 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990712182741.009f7a70@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:28:59 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: RE: Rain, Rain, Go Away In-Reply-To: <852567AC.0077D654.00@172.16.2.37> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:40 PM 7/12/99 , Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: >Me too. : ( > >- Jeannette Made it home safe and wet. Can't believe my tank bag kept some papers dry the whole way home. I don;t really like cornering in the rain yet....does that uneasy pucker factor _ever_ go away? _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 18:38:07 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA06246 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user193.anent.com [208.195.115.193]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA00028 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:34:53 -0400 Message-ID: <058701beccb7$3c577a80$2473c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: References: Subject: Re: Inspection question -Reply -Reply Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:38:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I'd have to check the manual and I don't have one. No one can remember all the rules in their head. Every inspection station has to have the manual on the premises while they're conducting inspections. ----- Original Message ----- From: JOE NAGY To: ; Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 4:04 PM Subject: Re: Inspection question -Reply -Reply > So are idiot (sorry, high-beam indicator) lites a factor or not? > > >>> "Bruce Norton" - 7/12/99 3:40 PM >>> > Those little check boxes don't mean squat. They only list the general > areas, > not the specific items checked. FWIW I was a VA inspector for many > years. > > > > Best way to find out is dig out that little pink slip from your last > > inspection--It lists all the check items on one side. It seems stupid > > that they could flunk you for a burnt idiot light, but then the whole > > damn program is stupid so it's anyone's guess. > > > > stickers suck, > > > > Joe From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 18:43:28 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA06334 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA20578 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA16016 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) with SMTP; 13 Jul 1999 01:42:43 UT Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:41 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "mike@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:From the VFR list Message-ID: <19990712144342515-a91a72f@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wow!! I rode (one time) a CR500R... what a beast that was... very scary. And now someone is building a road bike with that motor AND beefing it up! Look out folks.... Tom <---- who doesn't like to wheelie at 100mph '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: From the VFR list Author: mike@XXXXXX Date: 7/12/99 11:20 AM http://www.marseeproducts.com/main.html Scroll down and check out the bike - 210 lbs, 75 HP....hmmm...... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 18:50:07 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA06492 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 95 (207-172-80-117.s54.as6.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.80.117]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id SAA19351; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <02de01beccb9$1f18fd20$7550accf@95> From: "D. Thompson" To: , "Hugh Caldwell" References: Subject: Re: Mid-Ohio 7/16 - 7/18 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:51:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 ----- Original Message ----- From: Hugh Caldwell To: Danny Thompson Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 8:56 AM Subject: Re: Mid-Ohio 7/16 - 7/18 > > I'm going and would like to meet up with you at the > "Old Country Buffet" in Manassas. Great! > I've gotten a room for Thursday > night at the Super 8 but they where booked for the weekend. If > I can't find a room for the weekend could I sleep on your floor > during the weekend? I would be glad to pay for a 3rd of the rooms > cost. As far as I am concerned it is OK. Do you snore? > Someone had sent me a route I'll see if I can still find > it. Cool, if you find it share it and we'll come up with something. Danny '99 VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 18:58:51 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA06624 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA20646 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:58:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.114]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA16347 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.16.2.37 by wodc7mr0.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgxpj02808; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 22:58:31 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 852567AC.007EEDE5 ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 19:06:24 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Mike T cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567AC.007EECD1.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:57:53 -0400 Subject: RE: Rain, Rain, Go Away Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Yeah, it went away for me. For some reason I used to stupidly ride on the back of this completely crazy guy's bike. He rode through any type of rain, same speed and same cornering as riding in the wet. Thanks to him I learned the limits my bike can do in the rain! ; ) I'm very comfortable in the rain now. I just watch out for anything metal on the road and keep my following distance far. I think I've shocked many cagers blowing by them in the rain! LOL - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Mike T on 07/12/99 06:28:59 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: RE: Rain, Rain, Go Away At 05:40 PM 7/12/99 , Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: >Me too. : ( > >- Jeannette Made it home safe and wet. Can't believe my tank bag kept some papers dry the whole way home. I don;t really like cornering in the rain yet....does that uneasy pucker factor _ever_ go away? _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 19:12:14 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06924 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 19:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-52-75.s75.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.52.75]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id TAA14178; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 19:10:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "LindaT" To: "HSTA" , "DC-CYCLES" Subject: FW: (klr650) Around the World on Two Wheels 2000 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 19:10:50 -0400 Message-ID: <003e01beccbb$c81dcf20$542caccf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01BECC9A.410C2F20" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01BECC9A.410C2F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone got $15K and a coupla months off next year... Do you think my 250 would do? WOOHOO! LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (59K miles and counting...) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ X-From_: helge@XXXXXX Sat Jul 10 02:13:06 1999 Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 02:06:54 +0000 Subject: Around the World on Two Wheels 2000 From: "Helge Pedersen" To: Helge Pedersen Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Dear fellow motorcycle traveler. For many of you that receive this letter it has been a long wait, I am sorry about that and I do appreciate your passions. Friday July 9th fellow world motorcycle traveler Frank Campbell left Seattle with his BMW F-650, bound for Siberia. Both Frank and I have the last year been working on the idea of taking a group of motorcyclists on a journey that no other tour operators can offer. Frank even went to China to negotiate a deal with the Chinese for our ride in that country. In short we are in the final stages of realizing the plans to offer a journey that will literally take you around the world by motorcycle. Not until Frank return from his scouting trip at the end of September will we be able to give you a detailed itinerary and exact price for this extraordinary motorcycle world tour. But already now after a year of research we have come up with a rough itinerary that looks something like this: Motorcycles has to be in Seattle no later than May 1st 2000 Container with bikes is shipped to Japan. We fly to Japan around June 10th 2000 Approximately 1 week of motorcycle riding in Japan. Ferry to China w/bikes. Approximately 2 weeks of motorcycle riding in China. We will enter Russia and Siberia just East of Lake Bajkal. >From there we will head due east for the Black Sea. The tour ends in Munchen, Germany. To complete the circle you will have to cross the USA by your self or together with other members of the group. In other words Frank and I will be responsible to get you safely with your bike from Seattle to Munchen. Estimated time from Seattle to arrival in Munchen is 60 days. A rough estimate of the cost of the journey is US$ 15,000. - The cost will include shipping of bike to Japan, 60 nights of hotels, most meals, guides, chase vehicles, maps, GPS waypoints etc. We will limit the group to be about 15 motorcycles. First come first serve. Approximate length of journey will be about 10,000 miles Most of the roads we will travel are surfaced roads, but we still recommend a GS style motorcycle for the difficult parts. Screening of participants will be necessary. Not so much for the ability to ride a bike, but very much for the ability to endure the magnitude of the journey. Take a minute and look at a map and you will see that we will travel through some of the most important countries on this earth, Japan, China, Russia, Europe and USA. What a great way to start the new Millennium, riding your own bike around the world. This letter has been written just hours after Frank left Seattle and if you are interested to receive updates from Frank's journey please write him at flafrank@XXXXXX If you are interested in signing up or to be on a mailinglist to receive more information about the world tour please reply to this e-mail, helge@XXXXXX I will in the near future ad on an addition to www.globeriders.com where maps and pictures will inform you about the world tour. Please feel free to forward this e-mail to friends and newsgroups. Have a great summer! Sincerely Helge Pedersen http://globeriders.com .>> If you're not pushing your limits, you're not discovering anything new << ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01BECC9A.410C2F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone=20 got $15K and a coupla months off next year...
 
Do you=20 think my 250 would do?
 
WOOHOO!
 

LindaT.
95 F3 Purple Haze (59K=20 miles and counting...)
86 KLR250 Klarabelle
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/=20



 
X-From_: helge@XXXXXX Sat = Jul 10=20 02:13:06 1999
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 02:06:54 +0000
Subject: = Around the=20 World on Two Wheels 2000
From: "Helge Pedersen"=20 <helge@XXXXXX>
To: Helge Pedersen=20 <helge@XXXXXX>
Mime-version: 1.0
X-Priority:=20 3

 Dear fellow motorcycle traveler.
 
 For = many of=20 you that receive this letter it has been a long wait, I am sorry about = that and=20 I do appreciate your passions.
 Friday July 9th fellow world = motorcycle=20 traveler Frank Campbell left Seattle with his BMW F-650, bound for = Siberia. Both=20 Frank and I have the last year been working on the idea of taking a = group of=20 motorcyclists on a journey that no other tour operators can offer. Frank = even=20 went to China to negotiate a deal with the Chinese for our ride in that=20 country.
 In short we are in the final stages of realizing the = plans to=20 offer a journey that will literally take you around the world by=20 motorcycle.
 Not until Frank return from his scouting trip at = the end of=20 September will we be able to give you a detailed itinerary and exact = price for=20 this extraordinary motorcycle world tour. But already now after a year = of=20 research we have come up with a rough itinerary that looks something = like=20 this:
 Motorcycles has to be in Seattle no later than May 1st=20 2000
 Container with bikes is shipped to Japan.
 We fly = to Japan=20 around June 10th 2000
 Approximately 1 week of motorcycle riding = in=20 Japan.
 Ferry to China w/bikes.
 Approximately 2 weeks = of=20 motorcycle riding in China.
 We will enter Russia and Siberia = just East=20 of Lake Bajkal.
From there we will head due east for the Black=20 Sea.
 The tour ends in Munchen, Germany.
 To complete = the circle=20 you will have to cross the USA by your self or together with other = members of=20 the group.
 In other words Frank and I will be responsible to = get you=20 safely with your bike from Seattle to Munchen.
 Estimated time = from=20 Seattle to arrival in Munchen is 60 days. A rough estimate of the cost = of the=20 journey is US$ 15,000. -
 The cost will include shipping of bike = to=20 Japan, 60 nights of hotels, most meals, guides, chase vehicles, maps, = GPS=20 waypoints etc.
 We will limit the group to be about 15 = motorcycles.=20 First come first serve.
 Approximate length of journey will be = about=20 10,000 miles
 Most of the roads we will travel are surfaced = roads, but=20 we still recommend a GS style motorcycle for the difficult  =20 parts.
 Screening of participants will be = necessary. Not=20 so much for the ability to ride a bike, but very much for the ability to = endure=20 the magnitude of the journey.
 Take a minute and look at a map = and you=20 will see that we will travel through some of the most important = countries on=20 this earth, Japan, China, Russia, Europe and USA.
 What a great = way to=20 start the new Millennium, riding your own bike around the = world.
 This=20 letter has been written just hours after Frank left Seattle and if you = are=20 interested to receive updates from Frank's journey please write him at=20 flafrank@XXXXXX
 
 If you are interested in = signing=20 up or to be on a mailinglist to receive more information about the world = tour=20 please reply to this e-mail, helge@XXXXXX
 I = will in the=20 near future ad on an addition to www.globeriders.com where maps = and=20 pictures will inform you about the world tour. =
 
 Please feel=20 free to forward this e-mail to friends and = newsgroups.
 
 Have a=20 great summer!
 
 Sincerely
 
 Helge=20 Pedersen
 
 http://globeriders.com
 
 .&g= t;>=20 If you're not pushing your limits, you're not discovering anything new=20 <<
 
 

      = ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01BECC9A.410C2F20-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 20:36:49 1999 Return-Path: blasalle@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA08433 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 20:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bellatlantic.net (client-151-200-115-11.bellatlantic.net [151.200.115.11]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA24999 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 20:40:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <378A891C.899E8D7B@bellatlantic.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 20:32:29 -0400 From: Brian & Christa LaSalle Reply-To: blasalle@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Thanks Anita! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And Collin and everyone else who led, great ride Sunday! My first trip to Skyline Drive, but definitly not my last. Love those switchbacks!! I felt pretty fast until I came up on a stopping point and found Collin sitting in the shade, engine cooled, half asleep waiting.... Brian Yellow Nighthawk From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 21:02:34 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA08872 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 21:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user211.anent.com [208.195.115.211]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA00235 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 20:59:19 -0400 Message-ID: <063501becccb$6ad7af60$2473c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Frank W. w/ the BMW Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 21:02:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Please email me. I don't have your address. Thanks, Bruce List: sorry for the use of bandwidth! From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 21:21:48 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA09212 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 21:21:46 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA17012; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:26:22 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma014147; Mon, 12 Jul 99 11:19:02 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FER0022TJWWEF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:21:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567AC.005183E4 ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:50:21 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:13:37 -0400 Subject: A Close Call (was RE: Today's ride) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567AC.0053C8FE.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Well, I had my own "bad karma" on Sunday on route 688. Danny ('99 VFR800) and I were on our way back from Summit Point to Warrenton, and I was leading on the 688 section. We were both going pretty fast, and I was going (in retrospect) faster than my abilities could safely handle. I came up a hill and around a curve to the left. I misjudged the turn, thinking it was more of a sweeper than it was. The curve tightened up and I, in turn, leaned in more. I was seriously leaned over, more than I had ever been on that (or any) bike. Just as I was reaching maximum lean, the rear end broke loose and I prepared to dismount for a lowside. All of a sudden, the bike regained its composure and popped me back up into the saddle as if nothing had happened! No lowside, no tankslapper, no highside, no anything. I nearly filled my pants, but the bike simply shrugged and kept going. This instance really drove home to me the fact that my bike is much more accomplished than I am. There is nothing that I did to save myself and the bike from crashing. The bike simply decided to keep going despite my ham-handed attempts at riding it. I can't say if what happened would have just seemed normal to a really accomplished rider or if it was a really close call, but I was expecting to crash. Danny later told me that he didn't think the rear end slid (as was my first impression). He said the pavement I was riding on dropped off a bit in the middle of the lane, and that I came off of the raised portion just as I was leaned over really far. In any case, I feel very lucky that I got away with this warning about riding over my head rather than learning the expensive and painful way. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 p.s. The bike had OEM Dunlop D204s if anyone's curious. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 22:25:53 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA10201 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 22:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (209-122-220-232.s486.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.220.232]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA07421 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 22:25:49 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990712221649.009b8100@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 22:25:46 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: A Close Call (was RE: Today's ride) In-Reply-To: <852567AC.0053C8FE.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:13 AM 7/12/99 , christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: >Danny later told me that he didn't think the rear end slid (as was my first >impression). He said the pavement I was riding on dropped off a bit in the >middle of the lane, and that I came off of the raised portion just as I was >leaned over really far. In any case, I feel very lucky that I got away with >this warning about riding over my head rather than learning the expensive >and painful way. I forgot to mention this earlier. The first bit of road we were on Sunday (I have no idea of the routes) we were still in one big pack, and going a bit faster than I think I should have been. I am not very comfy with blind turns. I don;t mind serious lean angles, but it seems that whenever I have the opportunity to use them in a good twistie, I am afraid to go in at higher speed for fear of what I can't see and don't know about the road. I think that is a justified fear - but one that I am overcoming. Anyway, on the first section of road we rounded a similar corner, and I was in a similar sitation. I wasn't leaned over drastically, but enough that when the pavement dropped out a little on the corner, my whole bike skipped a couple of inches toward the outside of the curve. It scared the crap out of me, but kept going at speed. Shortly after, still catching my breath, I approached a downhill right turn and saw many brake lights in front of me. I was going full-on out of the last curve, so I had to grab a lot of brake to slow down. My whole front end shuddered violently. Guess I grabbed too much brake. In any case, Collin had good advice at the next stop. "If someone is riding up your ass, and you are at the edges of ytour skill level, fuck 'em...let them pass." I think in a group environment like that, it is easy to feel a bit of peer pressure to keep up. Think I will take Collin's words to heart. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 23:15:37 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA11036 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-39.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.39]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA01946 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:15:22 -0400 Message-ID: <026101beccdd$c9be8e60$cca4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Fw: To Memorize: What NOT to reply to the nice officer Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:14:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 >From the Vulcan List -- Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Hmmm. Maybe a twist would show how sweet my sound! Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- >Hello [listers], >Today, for the third time in my entire motorcycle riding life, I get pulled >over by the police for something that probably 99% of all bikes here in MI >have- a loud aftermarket exhaust system. > >According to the police officer, the LOUD noise that the bike produces is >very offending (to who?). He asked me if it doesn't hurt my hearing, and I >said "WHAT?" That kinda ticked him off. He gave me a sharp look, next thing >I see is a ticket being handed to me. >Oh well........ > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 23:55:23 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA12471 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 95 (207-172-80-117.s54.as6.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.80.117]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id XAA12808 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <049701becce3$c2639060$7550accf@95> From: "D. Thompson" To: References: <852567AC.0053C8FE.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Subject: Re: A Close Call (was RE: Today's ride) etc..... Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:56:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I was watching from behind and I almost loaded my pants. From where I watched it looked like Chris was headed for a high side, but like he said the bike shifted, caught, lerched, righted and smoothed out. Chris might be being a little modest because many people would have instantly dumped the throttle, grabbed the front brake or worse gone hard on the rear break but Chris just rode it out and let the bike do what it is designed to do. Other than this one incident, the ride to Summit Pt. and back was very enjoyable. I was having trouble getting my corners set-up right and finally decided it was the new "mirrored / tinted" shield I just bought. It seemed to mess up my depth perception. When we were almost home, I finally had enough and switched back to my clear shield and it really seemed to make a difference. (Anyone want an almost new faceshield for a Shoei with the quick change shield system for a good deal?) Has anyone else had a change in shield mess with their depth perception or anything else that effected their riding? Maybe it is just in my head, but the clear made a difference for me. Congrats to Jeff on his 1st place finish in his one and only race this weekend. It was great to see Brian McCoy on his Viffer at the track and also it was nice of Collin to stop in and say high for the last race... (I didn't know John Deere made motorcycles right Louis?) The racing was great, except the start of race 11 had the worst wreck I have seen; at the end of the front straight a gixxer and rider did a couple or three wheel over wheels. The bike was totally trashed and the rider was taken away in an ambulance. He did get up on his feet for a moment, but I never heard how he was. It was really scary and I hope I don't see any like it soon. (Yeah, I want to race honey. No its really safe..... Seeing this kind of thing makes you sorta reconsider). On another note: Let's get the trip / travel plans to Mid Ohio firmed up a little more. Hugh Caldwell and I are meeting at the "Old Country Buffet" on Thursday and riding up. I think Brian N. is leaving early that morning (4 or 5 a.m.) in his cage to catch the amatuers in the afternoon. Who else in going? What time should we meet. Hugh has forwarded a route as suggested by John Kozyn but that is still open for input. If nothing else, we should plan a time and place to meet up on Friday or Saturday. Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 Chris wrote: > Well, I had my own "bad karma" on Sunday on route 688. > > Danny ('99 VFR800) and I were on our way back from Summit Point to > Warrenton, and I was leading on the 688 section. We were both going pretty > fast, and I was going (in retrospect) faster than my abilities could safely > handle. I came up a hill and around a curve to the left. I misjudged the > turn, thinking it was more of a sweeper than it was. The curve tightened up > and I, in turn, leaned in more. I was seriously leaned over, more than I > had ever been on that (or any) bike. Just as I was reaching maximum lean, > the rear end broke loose and I prepared to dismount for a lowside. All of a > sudden, the bike regained its composure and popped me back up into the > saddle as if nothing had happened! No lowside, no tankslapper, no highside, > no anything. I nearly filled my pants, but the bike simply shrugged and > kept going. > > This instance really drove home to me the fact that my bike is much more > accomplished than I am. There is nothing that I did to save myself and the > bike from crashing. The bike simply decided to keep going despite my > ham-handed attempts at riding it. I can't say if what happened would have > just seemed normal to a really accomplished rider or if it was a really > close call, but I was expecting to crash. > > Danny later told me that he didn't think the rear end slid (as was my first > impression). He said the pavement I was riding on dropped off a bit in the > middle of the lane, and that I came off of the raised portion just as I was > leaned over really far. In any case, I feel very lucky that I got away with > this warning about riding over my head rather than learning the expensive > and painful way. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > p.s. The bike had OEM Dunlop D204s if anyone's curious. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 00:17:29 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA12975 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 00:17:28 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id nLWKa21644 (4068); Tue, 13 Jul 1999 00:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <50368352.24bc16e1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 00:13:21 EDT Subject: Re: A Close Call (was RE: Today's ride) etc..... To: dthompso1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 In a message dated 7/13/1999 12:03:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dthompso1@XXXXXX writes: << Has anyone else had a change in shield mess with their depth perception or anything else that effected their riding? Maybe it is just in my head, but the clear made a difference for me. >> Nope. But, then again, I don't have any depth perception to begin with. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 06:50:16 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA19993 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 06:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA03637 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 06:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3NBGZL45>; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 06:54:37 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427D4F326@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Inspection question Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 06:54:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain My ratty looking '82 Seca just passed VA inspection last May after I restored it from disrepair. The Virginia gas station (NOT BIKE SHOP) checked the obvious SAFETY stuff, and without the conflict of interest the gas station has only the motive to make sure the bike is safe as opposed to the "oh, let's see if we can force this guy to buy a new bike by making him pay through the nose to get the bike to pass after rejection" type of thing. I used to believe that a bike shop would be the best place to get an inspection because of their expertise, but now I hesitate to burden my fellow man with such temptations. So, in summary, just take it to any "good ol' boy" type gas station where the people there understand the the bike just needs to be safe--not showroom perfect. Mike '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 07:06:07 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA20226 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA03667 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3NBGZLVA>; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:10:28 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427D4F327@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'DC-CYCLES'" Subject: RE: Sunday ride & bad motorscooter Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:10:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Recommend that you drain the carbs into a glass jar and check for particles. Also, you may want to go the chemical route--lots of carb cleaner. Just drain and ride--well at least the riding is fun. The carbs on my Seca only open some of the jets at 3/4 to full throttle which may relate to the fuel system problems on your bike, that is, fuel only can get by using the jets active at full throttle. If you have not done any work around the air box or carbs, and the rubber between the airbox and carbs is in pretty goot shape, then fuel crud is likely. I just went through this, and I found draining the carbs was an OK stop-gap measure until I could rebuild the carbs--but it's summer, so I loaded the gas with lots cleaner because I am not doing what for me would be major work until the riding season has passed. Mike '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 07:14:21 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA20304 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <3Y0SD9GA>; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 04:14:13 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Rain, Rain, Go Away Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 04:14:14 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Yup.. long about the time you get used to sliding the rear end (either on purpose on the street.. just as a course of riding in the dirt) Brian McCoy > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike T [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > the whole way home. I don;t really like cornering in the > rain yet....does > that uneasy pucker factor _ever_ go away? From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 07:28:44 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA20519 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA03724 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3NBGZLVN>; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:33:11 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427D4F329@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Northern Virginia Yuppies Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:33:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Who stands to gain at the dealership's loss? Mike 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 07:35:46 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA20672 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <3YAPDNH8>; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:33:10 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB0956@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Mark Petty'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Inspection question Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:35:02 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) If its any thing like my V30 Magna then all you have to do if remove the two bolts holding the headlight one, move it out of the way and then there are two cap nuts holding the instrument cluster in place. Remove those two nuts and the cluster show come right off. You might have to unscrew the speedo cable. Once the cluster is removed I think there are a few small Phillips head screws holding the back cover on the cluster. Remove those and you'll have instant access to the bulbs. If my memory serves me correctly they are very tiny bulbs that I could only find at the Honda dealer, looked like little "wheat bulbs". Do yourself a favor and replace all of them at once. Glenn >'83 V65 Magna, which apparently has a sealed instrument cluster, which >apparently costs several hundred to replace. The other thought is that I >might be able to fix this by cleaning the switch mechanism. How likely >is this? From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 08:00:56 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA21041 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <3YAPDN01>; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:58:21 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB095F@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bad towing stories Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:00:12 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I know a bunch of you guys are new on this list but there are several of "us" on the list including myself that will carry your bike for you for basically free. All I ask for is a six pack of good beer. And if you want to be generous you can buy me some pizza too. ;-) If you need a tow, give me a call. If I'm available, I'll help you out. Stay away from those damn tow truck drivers... IMO they are the biggest a**holes on the road. Glenn Home (703)658-4870 Mobile (703) 855-4870 >Just a word to the wise concerning towing companies. Unless you have dealt >with a particular company, and even a particular driver on more than one >occasion yourself, assume that all towing companies are less than admirable. >I kind of had an interesting perspective presented to me when I used to hang >out with a friend of mine who drove for several companies. Some companies are >great companies, but there are many individual drivers who are out & out >crooks. If you're ever having any towing done, and you have some time, do >some serious checking. It can save you A LOT of grief. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 08:20:28 1999 Return-Path: CBR600twt@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA21359 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:20:26 -0400 (EDT) From: CBR600twt@XXXXXX Received: from CBR600twt@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id kXWLa25615 (4530); Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:18:13 EDT Subject: Re: Thanks Anita! To: blasalle@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 I'll second that! Great route and great weather! Tom T. R1 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 08:23:33 1999 Return-Path: dreamer@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [209.48.224.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA21369 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [209.48.224.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA17300 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:23:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Dawn Gibson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bad towing stories In-Reply-To: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB095F@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I agree with Glenn. I have my own towing horror story. I also have a pickup truck. I'll be glad to help out. You'll need to provide your own muscle to get the bike on and off the truck though. Dawn '96 Virago 1100 Special, KnowMad On Tue, 13 Jul 1999, Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: > I know a bunch of you guys are new on this list but there are several of > "us" on the list including myself that will carry your bike for you for > basically free. All I ask for is a six pack of good beer. And if you want > to be generous you can buy me some pizza too. ;-) If you need a tow, give > me a call. If I'm available, I'll help you out. Stay away from those damn > tow truck drivers... IMO they are the biggest a**holes on the road. > > Glenn > Home (703)658-4870 > Mobile (703) 855-4870 > > > > >Just a word to the wise concerning towing companies. Unless you have dealt > >with a particular company, and even a particular driver on more than one > >occasion yourself, assume that all towing companies are less than > admirable. > >I kind of had an interesting perspective presented to me when I used to > hang > >out with a friend of mine who drove for several companies. Some companies > are > >great companies, but there are many individual drivers who are out & out > >crooks. If you're ever having any towing done, and you have some time, do > >some serious checking. It can save you A LOT of grief. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 08:35:56 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1102.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.122]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA21599 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990713123540.17939.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1102.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 05:35:40 PDT Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 05:35:40 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bad towing stories To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Has anyone used the AMA's MoTow service? What's your experience been with the companies they contract with? --- Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > Just a word to the wise concerning towing companies. > Unless you have dealt > with a particular company, and even a particular > driver on more than one > occasion yourself, assume that all towing companies > are less than admirable. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 08:57:49 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA22007 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA25538 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA29305 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:57:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140r1.ems.att.com ([135.65.202.58]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id IAA00744 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:57:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh3.ems.att.com by njb140r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id IAA00229; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:57:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh3.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <3ZLHMP0F>; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:57:36 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE01150480@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Carver, John M, BGM" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 210 lbs, 75 HP....hmmm...... Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:57:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain <> This is what I've been looking for . . .;-) It's a shame that 2 strokes went away, although smelly, I missed out on a whole other era of motorcycling. Now, if only I had a garage to keep it . . . . . John 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 09:01:51 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay03.mcit.com (omzrelay03.mcit.com [199.249.19.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22230 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38418) with ESMTP id <0FET001NJ81GPA@XXXXXX> for DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:58:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA30899; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:54:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.38.156.10]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990713125805.MCXO3540@toddnt>; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:58:05 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:56:30 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: (klr650) Around the World on Two Wheels 2000 In-reply-to: <003e01beccbb$c81dcf20$542caccf@oemcomputer> To: LindaT , HSTA , DC-CYCLES Message-id: <000201becd2f$20738070$0a9c26a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal I wonder why they consider Munich a full circuit. They conveniently left France and the UK off the list of important countries, and to me at least you've got to get to Great Britain to finish. Hmmm. Todd -----Original Message----- From: LindaT [mailto:ljtanner@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 7:11 PM To: HSTA; DC-CYCLES Subject: FW: (klr650) Around the World on Two Wheels 2000 Anyone got $15K and a coupla months off next year... Do you think my 250 would do? WOOHOO! LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (59K miles and counting...) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ X-From_: helge@XXXXXX Sat Jul 10 02:13:06 1999 Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 02:06:54 +0000 Subject: Around the World on Two Wheels 2000 From: "Helge Pedersen" To: Helge Pedersen Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Dear fellow motorcycle traveler. For many of you that receive this letter it has been a long wait, I am sorry about that and I do appreciate your passions. Friday July 9th fellow world motorcycle traveler Frank Campbell left Seattle with his BMW F-650, bound for Siberia. Both Frank and I have the last year been working on the idea of taking a group of motorcyclists on a journey that no other tour operators can offer. Frank even went to China to negotiate a deal with the Chinese for our ride in that country. In short we are in the final stages of realizing the plans to offer a journey that will literally take you around the world by motorcycle. Not until Frank return from his scouting trip at the end of September will we be able to give you a detailed itinerary and exact price for this extraordinary motorcycle world tour. But already now after a year of research we have come up with a rough itinerary that looks something like this: Motorcycles has to be in Seattle no later than May 1st 2000 Container with bikes is shipped to Japan. We fly to Japan around June 10th 2000 Approximately 1 week of motorcycle riding in Japan. Ferry to China w/bikes. Approximately 2 weeks of motorcycle riding in China. We will enter Russia and Siberia just East of Lake Bajkal. >From there we will head due east for the Black Sea. The tour ends in Munchen, Germany. To complete the circle you will have to cross the USA by your self or together with other members of the group. In other words Frank and I will be responsible to get you safely with your bike from Seattle to Munchen. Estimated time from Seattle to arrival in Munchen is 60 days. A rough estimate of the cost of the journey is US$ 15,000. - The cost will include shipping of bike to Japan, 60 nights of hotels, most meals, guides, chase vehicles, maps, GPS waypoints etc. We will limit the group to be about 15 motorcycles. First come first serve. Approximate length of journey will be about 10,000 miles Most of the roads we will travel are surfaced roads, but we still recommend a GS style motorcycle for the difficult parts. Screening of participants will be necessary. Not so much for the ability to ride a bike, but very much for the ability to endure the magnitude of the journey. Take a minute and look at a map and you will see that we will travel through some of the most important countries on this earth, Japan, China, Russia, Europe and USA. What a great way to start the new Millennium, riding your own bike around the world. This letter has been written just hours after Frank left Seattle and if you are interested to receive updates from Frank's journey please write him at flafrank@XXXXXX If you are interested in signing up or to be on a mailinglist to receive more information about the world tour please reply to this e-mail, helge@XXXXXX I will in the near future ad on an addition to www.globeriders.com where maps and pictures will inform you about the world tour. Please feel free to forward this e-mail to friends and newsgroups. Have a great summer! Sincerely Helge Pedersen http://globeriders.com .>> If you're not pushing your limits, you're not discovering anything new << From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 09:03:53 1999 Return-Path: Todd.Rist@XXXXXX Received: from alcsnmx1.nextel.com (unknown-197-226.nextel.com [167.20.197.226] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22284 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlntgw01.nextel.com (ATLNTGW01.nextel.com [168.73.94.142]) by alcsnmx1.nextel.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA24323 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ATLNTGW01.nextel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <35DYA1X2>; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:03:42 -0400 Message-ID: <375A82150521D311815B0008C791253E1CB19D@nhqntex01.nextel.com> From: "Rist, Todd" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bad towing stories Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:03:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ok I do not know about them but I will tell you that I have used Superior Towing (Adam Peake) and have nothing but great things to say about him. My Suzuki RF600 died on the beltway on my way to work one morning and I called Adam. he showed up with his flatbed towtruck and handled my bike with all the TLC you want. He hung around the cycle shop I had him tow me to, until they opened and then he was kind enough to give me a lift home (several miles away) for free. He has a disount deal with Cycle Accessory Discounters in Gaithersburg. The discount is not much but every little bit helps. His phone number is (301) 540-9100 Thank you, Todd 96 Suzuki RF600R 94 Honda Shadow VLX -----Original Message----- From: John Whiteside [mailto:johncx500@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 8:36 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bad towing stories Has anyone used the AMA's MoTow service? What's your experience been with the companies they contract with? --- Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > Just a word to the wise concerning towing companies. > Unless you have dealt > with a particular company, and even a particular > driver on more than one > occasion yourself, assume that all towing companies > are less than admirable. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 09:30:15 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA23267 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id GAA24095 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 13 Jul 1999 06:29:34 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 13 Jul 1999 06:29:34 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: A Close Call (was RE: Today's ride) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 06:29:31 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I am not very comfy with blind turns. I don;t mind serious lean angles, but it seems that whenever I have the opportunity to use them in a good twistie, I am afraid to go in at higher speed for fear of what I can't see and don't know about the road.<< This is called "Self-Preservation" - listen to this voice. >>In any case, Collin had good advice at the next stop. "If someone is riding up your ass, and you are at the edges of ytour skill level, fuck 'em...let them pass."<< One shouldn't pass in a group unless invited to by the person ahead. I try to keep an eye on the gap ahead of me and the gap behind - if I'm getting crowded from behind and I have a larger gap ahead, I'll signal the person behind me that it's OK to pass. I've enjoyed fast twisties and I've wadded bikes. I don't like wadding bikes (or myself, for that matter). A variation of Collin's advice is "Ride your own ride" Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 09:36:42 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23442 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:36:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA25758 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law-f189.hotmail.com [209.185.130.99]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA00316 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13977 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 1999 13:36:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19990713133631.13975.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.229.31.22 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 06:36:31 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.229.31.22] Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX From: "Leon Begeman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Rain, Rain, Go Away Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 06:36:31 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >At 05:40 PM 7/12/99 , Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: >I don;t really like cornering in the rain yet....does >that uneasy pucker factor _ever_ go away? > Yes. Riding on pavement in the rain isn't any harder than riding on dirt, and it's a lot easier than riding in the snow. I don't mind hot weather, but I'd rather ride in the rain when it's 70 degrees than in the 95+ temps we had last week. Leon. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 09:57:24 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA23807 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:57:22 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA11789; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:54:51 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma010601; Tue, 13 Jul 99 09:53:23 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FET00M1XAO3S3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567AD.0049C6E0 ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:25:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:50:32 -0400 Subject: Re: Sunday ride & bad motorscooter To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567AD.004C1A81.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Mind you, I'm no genius, but it sounds like a clogged jet. That would explain why it runs well at WFO but not at other throttle openings, wouldn't it? Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 Under slight acceleration (light throttle, changing from level flight to climb), the engine stutters and misses - this is steady, not intermittent. The more I load the engine, the worse the missing becomes... ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 10:01:20 1999 Return-Path: altaanc@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f211.hotmail.com [207.82.251.102]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA23900 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 43229 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 1999 14:00:47 -0000 Message-ID: <19990713140047.43228.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.122.229.189 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:00:47 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.122.229.189] From: "Altaan Choudhry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Parking in DC Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:00:47 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Does anybody from this list park their bike in DC on I & 20 st? Altaan Choudhry 9D6 FiZzeR _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 10:10:50 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24021 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:10:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.114]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA18225 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.16.2.37 by wodc7mr0.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgxrs09834; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:08:39 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 852567AD.004E6D21 ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:16:37 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Dysart Glenn B Mr SAM" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567AD.004E6BB3.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:07:52 -0400 Subject: RE: Bad towing stories Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I especially hate that guy from Frank's Towing in Arlington who always drives by me when I'm walking and asks me if I need a ride with a smarmy look on his face. Yeah, right. WHATEVER. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Dysart Glenn B Mr SAM" on 07/13/99 08:00:12 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: RE: Bad towing stories I know a bunch of you guys are new on this list but there are several of "us" on the list including myself that will carry your bike for you for basically free. All I ask for is a six pack of good beer. And if you want to be generous you can buy me some pizza too. ;-) If you need a tow, give me a call. If I'm available, I'll help you out. Stay away from those damn tow truck drivers... IMO they are the biggest a**holes on the road. Glenn Home (703)658-4870 Mobile (703) 855-4870 >Just a word to the wise concerning towing companies. Unless you have dealt >with a particular company, and even a particular driver on more than one >occasion yourself, assume that all towing companies are less than admirable. >I kind of had an interesting perspective presented to me when I used to hang >out with a friend of mine who drove for several companies. Some companies are >great companies, but there are many individual drivers who are out & out >crooks. If you're ever having any towing done, and you have some time, do >some serious checking. It can save you A LOT of grief. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 10:23:39 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24284 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:23:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2PITa17767 (4318); Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:16:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3900174.24bca431@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:16:17 EDT Subject: Metzler Tires To: cbr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Anyone know the URL for Metzler tire company? -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 10:26:41 1999 Return-Path: NickKaiho@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24305 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:26:40 -0400 (EDT) From: NickKaiho@XXXXXX Received: from NickKaiho@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2YFZa13291 (7987) for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:25:23 EDT Subject: bike stuff To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 18 I'm in the market for a ramp thing to load my bike into the back of my truck. I saw one once and it looked like it was built for that very purpose (vs the thing i'm using now) Anyone ever seen one of these things for sale ? If so, know where I could find one ? -Nick From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 11:04:07 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24973 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <3YAPDT03>; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:01:31 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB097C@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'NickKaiho@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: bike stuff Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:03:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I got a pair of folding ramps for my truck which each have 1000 lb. capacity. I only use one for loading the bike and they are super stable. Their best feature is the folding aspect IMO. Anyhow I got mine from Northern. Here is their page: http://www.northern-online.com/ Glenn >I'm in the market for a ramp thing to load my bike into the back of my truck. >I saw one once and it looked like it was built for that very purpose (vs the >thing i'm using now) >Anyone ever seen one of these things for sale ? If so, know where I could >find one ? From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 11:16:52 1999 Return-Path: DntDctr@XXXXXX Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com [207.46.181.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25238 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:16:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron - 153.35.91.24 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:15:54 -0700 Message-ID: <001c01becd42$4e4171c0$185b2399@micron> From: "Paul" To: Subject: Just an intro Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:13:46 -0400 Organization: Microsoft Corporation X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Hey all, Just subscribed to your list. I ride a 99 goldwing(granpas bike). Its really a great bike, and even fun in the twisties...Not as fast, but just as much fun..I'm interested in finding new riding friends. I live in Alexandria so if ya'll are planning a get together, shoot me an email..thanks and look forward to contributing to the list. Paul Grant Iron Butt Association Guardian Whale "Grab it when it comes, it may only come once." From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 11:23:48 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25347 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id LAA32572 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:23:44 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:23:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles Subject: Mid-Ohio Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thanks to the Internic's non-ability to update records, my domains have not been working for the last few days (My nameserver IPs changed). I'm leaving for mid-Ohio Thurs around noon. If it's going to pour down rain all day, I'm going to drive my truck instead of riding out... 440 miles in a rainstorm just isn't that much fun. We're staying at the Super8 in Mt. Vernon, OH. If it's nice weather, I may pay for camping and only use the motel room the first and last night. Anyone else going up on Thurs? Drop me a note. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 11:37:43 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25596 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:38:26 -0400 Message-Id: <199907131138.AA55771362@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "Paul" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Just an intro X-Mailer: From: "Paul" >Hey all, > Just subscribed to your list. I ride a 99 goldwing(granpas bike). > Its really a great bike, and even fun in the twisties... Hi Paul! Welcome! Not too many wingers on DC cycles, we are mostly a sportbike crowd, with some cruisers, and a few sport tourers. :) It's nice to see different types of bikes around here, though. Variety is the spice of life/all bikes are cool/yada, yada. A few of us are IBA members as well. It'll be nice to meet you someday. Regards, Dale (the Horkster) -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 12:02:58 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA26077 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Anita.dlt.com ([199.4.241.102]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA31942 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:03:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199907131603.MAA31942@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:03:27 -0400 Subject: VA to NY via PA Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Okay, this weekend is a first for me.. I'm going on a bike trip where the purpose is to just get somewhere, rather than ride on fun roads! I'll be heading up to NY (1 hour north of NYC) on Friday to visit family. Due to my extreme allergic reaction to riding on slab, I figure the best way to go is through PA (rather than 95 and the NJ Turnpike). My proposed route is as follows: Rte 15 to Gettysburg Rte 30 to York and then on to Lancaster Rte 222 to Reading and then on to Allentown A couple other roads to 209 through the Delaware Water Gap Then I'll pick up 84 and slab it the last 60 miles or so to my parent's house. The whole trip is about 340 miles. Anything dreadfully wrong with this route? I'm not looking for "twisties".. I mostly want to get to NY in one piece with my sanity intact. A side trip or two along the route would be cool, if anyone has any recommendations. Thanks and wish me luck! :-) Anita PS - My father's comment was "Are you *sure* you're going to ride your bike up all the way up here?" He rides an 80-ish CB650 but only a few miles to/from work in the nice weather. :-) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 12:17:09 1999 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from mailgw2a.lmco.com (mailgw2a.lmco.com [192.91.147.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA26332 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss03g01.ems.lmco.com (emss03g01.ems.lmco.com [141.240.4.144]) by mailgw2a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16561; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38888) id <0FET00901GWHPJ@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss09m01.ems.lmco.com ([158.183.24.5]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38888) with ESMTP id <0FET007VIGW38T@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emss09m01.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <3VX5NTHB>; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:12:26 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:08:59 -0400 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: Just an intro To: "'Paul'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A016560BB@EMSS09M05> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Paul & welcome - haven't been on list for sometime myself (I come and go depending on the workload) - I have a '99 Kawasaki Concours and am located in Dale City - Look forward to riding with you! Tracy Horstman '99 Kawasaki Concours - "Grape kNEe -HI" > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul [SMTP:DntDctr@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 11:14 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Just an intro > > Hey all, > Just subscribed to your list. I ride a 99 goldwing(granpas bike). Its > really a great bike, and even fun in the twisties...Not as fast, but just > as > much fun..I'm interested in finding new riding friends. I live in > Alexandria so if ya'll are planning a get together, shoot me an > email..thanks and look forward to contributing to the list. > Paul Grant > Iron Butt Association > Guardian Whale > "Grab it when it comes, it may only come once." > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 12:23:23 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA26446 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA27467 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA05073 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA09397; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:23:14 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990713121746.01a4b040@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:20:34 -0400 To: mrider@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: Rain, Rain, Go Away Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19990713133631.13975.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:36 AM 7/13/99 , Leon Begeman wrote: >Yes. Riding on pavement in the rain isn't any harder than riding on dirt, >and it's a lot easier than riding in the snow. I learned to ride in the dirt on a '79 Yamaha DT125. Never had any traction problems. Actually, on the street in the rain, I have never had any traction problems. But it is still in the front of my mind.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 13:27:14 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA27629 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 13:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 13:26:26 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 13:26:24 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:19:14 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Subject: A Close Call (was RE: Today's ride) -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Chris, Very instructive. This has happened to me a couple of times on the road, and more than that on the track. Voice of Panic: "Aaaaaaah! We're too hot! Prepare to eject!" Voice of Experience and Training: "Shut up and look through the exit, you idiot.!" Footpeg: "Ssskkkkrrrrrrr . . ." Tires: "Chill out, you sissy, we're not even on the edge yet." Me: "Whew." Moral of the story, your tires probably stick better than you think, and if you start looking for a place to crash, that's where you're going. Glad you kept it on 2. Joe >>> - 7/12/99 11:13 AM >>> Well, I had my own "bad karma" on Sunday on route 688. Danny ('99 VFR800) and I were on our way back from Summit Point to Warrenton, and I was leading on the 688 section. We were both going pretty fast, and I was going (in retrospect) faster than my abilities could safely handle. I came up a hill and around a curve to the left. I misjudged the turn, thinking it was more of a sweeper than it was. The curve tightened up and I, in turn, leaned in more. I was seriously leaned over, more than I had ever been on that (or any) bike. Just as I was reaching maximum lean, the rear end broke loose and I prepared to dismount for a lowside. All of a sudden, the bike regained its composure and popped me back up into the saddle as if nothing had happened! No lowside, no tankslapper, no highside, no anything. I nearly filled my pants, but the bike simply shrugged and kept going. This instance really drove home to me the fact that my bike is much more accomplished than I am. There is nothing that I did to save myself and the bike from crashing. The bike simply decided to keep going despite my ham-handed attempts at riding it. I can't say if what happened would have just seemed normal to a really accomplished rider or if it was a really close call, but I was expecting to crash. Danny later told me that he didn't think the rear end slid (as was my first impression). He said the pavement I was riding on dropped off a bit in the middle of the lane, and that I came off of the raised portion just as I was leaned over really far. In any case, I feel very lucky that I got away with this warning about riding over my head rather than learning the expensive and painful way. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 p.s. The bike had OEM Dunlop D204s if anyone's curious. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 14:09:03 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA28327 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id LAA05939 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:07:25 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:07:25 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: A Close Call (was RE: Today's ride) -Reply Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:07:23 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >This instance really drove home to me the fact that my bike is much more >accomplished than I am. I once heard someone say that riding a late-model sportbike is like going to bed with an aerobics instructor... You're NEVER gonna be in as good a shape as she is ;-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 14:09:33 1999 Return-Path: fzr_mofo@XXXXXX Received: from pm02sm.pmm.cw.net (pm02sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.98.151]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28340 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr51-dialup193.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.62.198.71]) by PM02SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35316) with SMTP id <0FET007GMMEV8A@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:08:56 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:08:06 +0000 From: Jon Schumer Subject: Re: Metzler Tires To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <006b01becd39$222a9ac0$47c63ea6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3900174.24bca431@aol.com> > Anyone know the URL for Metzler tire company? -Sean Jordan http://www.metzeler.com/ Jon From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 14:24:24 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28681 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <3Y0SX0F0>; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:24:12 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Rain, Rain, Go Away Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:16:50 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > At 09:36 AM 7/13/99 , Leon Begeman wrote: > >Yes. Riding on pavement in the rain isn't any harder than > riding on dirt, > >and it's a lot easier than riding in the snow. Oh... snow/ice? That's a whole 'nother story if you're on the road. Then you need to shift to dirt-bike mentality (covering the rear brake, never the front as well as carry yourself differently). But all in all, so long as I don't have a car bearing down on me, it's not really that bad... Lean.. what's what the race-rep sounding John Deere bike? I was amazed to hear that thing infront of me with Collin on board coming back from Summit the other day.. though I was still at the track (I actually checked my mirrors for overtaking bikes..) Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 14:35:24 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28957 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA17303 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:35:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:35:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Rain, Rain, Go Away In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 13 Jul 1999, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > At 09:36 AM 7/13/99 , Leon Begeman wrote: > > >and it's a lot easier than riding in the snow. > > Oh... snow/ice? That's a whole 'nother story if you're on the road. Then > you need to shift to dirt-bike mentality (covering the rear brake, never the > front as well as carry yourself differently). But all in all, so long as I > don't have a car bearing down on me, it's not really that bad... Hmmm, unless there are hills and particularly a hill with your driveway on it... :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 15:18:46 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from send304.yahoomail.com (web304.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.186]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA29734 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 15:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990713191857.15142.rocketmail@send304.yahoomail.com> Received: from [141.212.194.161] by web304.yahoomail.com; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:18:57 PDT Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:18:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Loaner anyone To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To everyone that wrote back with an offer of a bike to ride this past weekend, I sincerely appreciate it!! There were so many offers that I'd be typing all day writing direct thank you's (with my Oklahoma Talking Disease and all ;-)) I ended up riding a John Deer all day Sunday ;-) It took me a while to find the motorcycle underneath all of Leon's gadget hookups, and that super tall windshield was sooo good at wind protection that I about fied behind it ;-) But all in all it was very fun and greatly appreciated. Thanks again everyone. I'll be back in that direction at the end of the month for the WERA national at Summit Point. Hopefully I'll keep the winning ways going for a while longer....So come on out and join the fun and have some cold refreshments on me!! Collin === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 16:05:45 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00785 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 16:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id QAA01669 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 16:05:33 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 16:05:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: reston town center In-Reply-To: <201906231613.AA390332514@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Did you also notice that none of them seemed to be wearing wristbands? They were all hanging out in front of our pit for a while, and not one of them had a wristband on. Not quite sure how that would happen, since they put one on your arm at the gate when you pay to get in. :\ - Brian > Speaking of rival gangs. Those of you who visit > the club site on Yahoo may remember the "DC Sportbike Riders > Club" http://165.117.240.153/. Anyways about 20-30 of them > showed up at Summit Point on Saturday and where sitting > behind me in the bleachers. To my surprise they where all > wearing leathers and seemed like a pretty congenial group > of guys. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 16:43:27 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA01454 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 16:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FET008LLTGQ0X@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:41:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA19043; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:40:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.38.156.10]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990713204113.TEAD3540@toddnt>; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:41:13 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 16:39:35 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: reston town center In-reply-to: To: Brian Roach , dc-cycles Message-id: <000f01becd6f$d1c7d1b0$0a9c26a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Not necessarily. I work up there on occassion and have had the guy just hand me the wristband. Other times I've simply asked that they not put it on me. Todd > > > Did you also notice that none of them seemed to be wearing wristbands? > > They were all hanging out in front of our pit for a while, and not one of > them had a wristband on. Not quite sure how that would happen, since they > put one on your arm at the gate when you pay to get in. :\ > > - Brian > > > Speaking of rival gangs. Those of you who visit > > the club site on Yahoo may remember the "DC Sportbike Riders > > Club" http://165.117.240.153/. Anyways about 20-30 of them > > showed up at Summit Point on Saturday and where sitting > > behind me in the bleachers. To my surprise they where all > > wearing leathers and seemed like a pretty congenial group > > of guys. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 17:21:56 1999 Return-Path: fwegerich@XXXXXX Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA02171 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:21:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (ip34.leesburg4.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.171.34]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17591 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:21:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <378BAEAD.6EE7AF36@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:25:01 -0400 From: Frank Wegerich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Bike trailer References: <000f01becd6f$d1c7d1b0$0a9c26a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know where I can rent a car trailer to carry a motorcycle. I just need it for a couple of days beginning of August. Does anyone have recommendations or experience with carrying a bike on a trailer? Yes, I would rather drive the bike but I am not sure I my wife would survife a 8-9 hour ride to "Hilton Head". Any ideas .... ? (-: Thanks Frank From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 17:32:47 1999 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA02402 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA18708; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 16:31:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv11-19.ix.netcom.com(199.35.94.19) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma018683; Tue Jul 13 16:31:07 1999 Message-ID: <009801becd76$c581b680$135e23c7@w98sysrec> From: "Ken" To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, References: <199907131603.MAA31942@radagast.wizard.net> Subject: Re: VA to NY via PA Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:29:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Anita, if you are going to be heading up there anywhere around rush = hour, avoid Rt 30 through York like the plague, its a mini version of = the beltway at Springfield. Rt 83 was a mess from construction a few = weeks ago also. Ken S. ICQ# 32289311 HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 12:03 PM Subject: VA to NY via PA > Okay, this weekend is a first for me.. I'm going on a bike trip where=20 > the purpose is to just get somewhere, rather than ride on fun roads!=20 > I'll be heading up to NY (1 hour north of NYC) on Friday to visit=20 > family. Due to my extreme allergic reaction to riding on slab, I=20 > figure the best way to go is through PA (rather than 95 and the NJ=20 > Turnpike). =20 >=20 > My proposed route is as follows: > Rte 15 to Gettysburg > Rte 30 to York and then on to Lancaster > Rte 222 to Reading and then on to Allentown > A couple other roads to 209 through the Delaware Water Gap > Then I'll pick up 84 and slab it the last 60 miles or so to my=20 > parent's house. The whole trip is about 340 miles. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 17:57:12 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA02881 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id RAA01921; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:56:59 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:56:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: Frank Wegerich cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Bike trailer In-Reply-To: <378BAEAD.6EE7AF36@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 13 Jul 1999, Frank Wegerich wrote: > Does anyone know where I can rent a car trailer to carry a motorcycle. I just > need it for a couple of days beginning of August. > Does anyone have recommendations or experience with carrying a bike on a > trailer? Yes, I would rather drive the bike but I am not sure I my wife would > survife a 8-9 hour ride to "Hilton Head". U-Haul, $15 a day :) Works like a champ. Just needa couple tie-downs. I actually rented one of the larger ones 2 weekends ago, I think it was about $25 a day with insurance, but it let Jeff and I take both our bikes and an RS125 to Ohio for WERA. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 18:02:34 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA03025 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:02:33 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2TFAa05091 (4233) for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:01:27 EDT Subject: OFF-TOPIC: POP3 and SMTP w/AOL ???? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 any of you computer savvy people know of a good ISP for a graphic designer (fast, can handle up&download of large files etc)? AOL sux. :D Their proprietary email software doesn't allow me to use my own websites email address! I.E. AOL tech support says they have no SMTP server address to give me for me to be able to use my POP3 account through AOL... alternatively....anybody know a way around this problem? Thanks. Marcy From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 19:02:25 1999 Return-Path: F4Rider@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA04339 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id TAA15202 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id TAA15194 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id TAA24532; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bc41466 ([172.16.4.164]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id TAA24528; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990713185919.0125d300@ns2.pgcc.net> X-Sender: brad@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:59:19 -0400 To: Brian Roach , dc-cycles From: Brad Subject: Re: DC Sportbike Riders (was: reston town center) In-Reply-To: References: <201906231613.AA390332514@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:05 PM 7/13/99 -0400, Brian Roach wrote: > >Did you also notice that none of them seemed to be wearing wristbands? > >They were all hanging out in front of our pit for a while What cracked me up was how about 70% of them popped the seat cowles, and pulled out polishing rags, cleaner, etc., then proceeded to wipe down every smudge on their bikes. One guy took the whole time he was there to spiff up his bike, then proceeded to head home! Oh, and the guy hanging of his bike, doing 50 mph down the access road while going STRAIGHT was pretty amusing too. Brad From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 21:42:07 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA07394 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA10311; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:42:03 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990713214031.01875ee0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:42:00 -0400 To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC: POP3 and SMTP w/AOL ???? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:01 PM 7/13/99 , JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >any of you computer savvy people know of a good ISP for a graphic designer >(fast, can handle up&download of large files etc)? AOL sux. :D Their >proprietary email software doesn't allow me to use my own websites email >address! I.E. AOL tech support says they have no SMTP server address to give >me for me to be able to use my POP3 account through AOL... > >alternatively....anybody know a way around this problem? According to AOL - there is no way around. Get an Erols account (cheap and reliable for me so far). Stay the Hell away from Mindspring (IMO). IBNC.COM is a good one too - tell them I sent you and you should get a good discount ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org The author will not be held responsible for anything he says. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 22:50:08 1999 Return-Path: JimJacks@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA08592 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:50:06 -0400 (EDT) From: JimJacks@XXXXXX Received: from JimJacks@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id vDVCa06803 (14459) for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <66faa7e9.24bd54a3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:49:07 EDT Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/13/99 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 wow...that was ...the best list posting (whatever you call it) yet! (ok, I NEED to learn to take the good with the bad!) Much more informatiion and mature stuff, much less gizmo gadget competition! COOL! Subjective opinion of course, but I would hate to be ONLY sarchastic! The karma and actual riding info ( not "cages suck" ((dont we all have cages too?)) but riding INFO...was great! I agree on karma, and I learned something on that cornering and tire skipping topic, and I loved thinking about a world tour (for about a minute). OK, so I am usually a sarchastic dick, at least I HATE FRANKS TOWING! (they impounded my truck once, and I used to be a wrecker driver in Arlington) Plus, with all of my subtle? sarchasm, you all NEVER once sent me any hate mail! (probably you just ignored me, good call) So....THANKS! My respect for Collin is growing with each succinct and non pretentious message I see here from him. oh yea...my cop stories! ( I ride with others not on the list frequently) 1) to seneca rocks wv rout 55 way out, wv state trooper clocked me in front at 69 (coasted down from 140) bike #2 at 70 (from a reported 120) and bike #3 at 90 passing bike #2 (legally except for speed- down from 125)...wrote the Blackbird for 70 in a 55 (not 90) and didnt lecture, only said be carefull and let the other two (including me!) go. Cops can be cool. 2) (the next weekend) bike 2 from above finally passes me on 7 east heading into leesburg after following me all day, clocked (Loudoun County) at 82 in a 55 (wreckless), cop asks about belief in god, small lecture, but in the end no paper and "be carefull". cops can be cool (#2) So far they have been REALLY cool with me as I have yet to get cranked on my bike, lol) I know they can suck too, but hey! I call em as I see em. Also after Rob "swamp thing" slid out in front of me, and I had my own near miss at a light, I am a BIG believer in caution (140 was an anonaly on a LONG straight "safe" stretch) and karma. K, tell me to shut up anytime, I usually keep to myself, maybe you can see why! thnaks again -jim - zx11 (now starts just fine ((if anyone remembers my starter grinding))-always a much better bike than I am a rider) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 23:20:02 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA09085 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA01701 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA28565 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (209-122-199-142.s396.tnt4.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.199.142]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA10438 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:19:51 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990713231644.00ad92f0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:19:36 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Awesome Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have scanned this for viruses, it is clean. Pretty much every bar in the area and their happy hour specials. ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/HAPPYHOU.DOC Enjoy..... ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 23:47:49 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA09497 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (209-122-246-218.s599.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.246.218]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA05137; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:47:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kirt Senser" To: , , Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/13/99 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:45:57 -0000 Message-ID: <01becd89$da7b9b60$daf67ad1@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 I had an interesting run in with a very cool cop two weeks ago. I went to see a band that my friend is in, they were playing in Warrenton, Va. He apparently gave me wrong directions to the show, and after stopping to try and get directions (and flirting too, the girl was *really* cute), I said "screw it" and started to head home. About a mile south of 66, I stopped to get gas. As I was finishing up, a 900RR rolled by. I hopped on ,and proceeded to catch up. I caught up to him at about 85 on 66E about 1/2 mile after getting on the highway. I pulled up next to him and waved, he waved back, and then kinda nodded his head down the rode. I nodded back, dropped into 3rd, and took off. He was (obviously) right on my ass, and since traffic was light, we got up to some serious speeds pretty quickly. He pulled around me after about 5-6 miles, and took the lead. At this point, I tucked into his draft, and reached an *indicated* 163. We came upon some traffic about a half mile later, and both slowed down into the 80mph range (about the flow of traffic, maybe a little faster). We rode at this speed all the way through the Centreville area, sped up between route 50, and the exit for nutley street, and then slowed again into the 80s. Right after nutley st. I see the blue and reds flashing off cars around us. I check my mirrors, and low and behold, unmarked fairfax county cop about 15 ft. behind me. he pulls between the two of us, and we pull to the shoulder. After a minute or so, he gets out, comes back and talks to both of us. He had been pacing us since nutley st. and said we were weaving in and out of traffic (not really). he took our licenses (didn't ask for registration though), looked at them and asked us if he went back to the car and ran them through his computer, would he run into any trouble. I've been good for a while, and apparently so was the 900RR rider. The cop then hands us back our licenses, and says something along the lines of "it's a nice night, you guys have nice bikes, but you need to be careful around here...these people are crazy drivers. slow it down, and have a good night." I almost crapped my pants. I couldn't believe it (thank god he didn't see us doing however fast we were doing before. Now that I've got my top speed fix, I've been behaving a lot more. Except for the occasional wheelie now and then. Hehe... So, anyone know how fast these 600F3s really go? The speedo said 163, but I know they aren't acurate that high up. I was at about 12.5K RPM (still short of the redline by about a 1000), and it was like the world was standing still. Anyways, cheers to good natured cops (there are a few out there), and luck kick ass when it goes your way. Hobbes 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va -----Original Message----- From: JimJacks@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 2:57 AM Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/13/99 >wow...that was ...the best list posting (whatever you call it) yet! (ok, I >NEED to learn to take the good with the bad!) Much more informatiion and >mature stuff, much less gizmo gadget competition! COOL! Subjective opinion of >course, but I would hate to be ONLY sarchastic! >The karma and actual riding info ( not "cages suck" ((dont we all have cages >too?)) but riding INFO...was great! >I agree on karma, and I learned something on that cornering and tire skipping >topic, and I loved thinking about a world tour (for about a minute). > OK, so I am usually a sarchastic dick, at least I HATE FRANKS TOWING! (they >impounded my truck once, and I used to be a wrecker driver in Arlington) >Plus, with all of my subtle? sarchasm, you all NEVER once sent me any hate >mail! (probably you just ignored me, good call) >So....THANKS! >My respect for Collin is growing with each succinct and non pretentious >message I see here from him. >oh yea...my cop stories! ( I ride with others not on the list frequently) >1) to seneca rocks wv rout 55 way out, wv state trooper clocked me in front >at 69 (coasted down from 140) bike #2 at 70 (from a reported 120) and bike #3 >at 90 passing bike #2 (legally except for speed- down from 125)...wrote the >Blackbird for 70 in a 55 (not 90) and didnt lecture, only said be carefull >and let the other two (including me!) go. Cops can be cool. >2) (the next weekend) bike 2 from above finally passes me on 7 east heading >into leesburg after following me all day, clocked (Loudoun County) at 82 in a >55 (wreckless), cop asks about belief in god, small lecture, but in the end >no paper and "be carefull". >cops can be cool (#2) >So far they have been REALLY cool with me as I have yet to get cranked on my >bike, lol) I know they can suck too, but hey! I call em as I see em. Also >after Rob "swamp thing" slid out in front of me, and I had my own near miss >at a light, I am a BIG believer in caution (140 was an anonaly on a LONG >straight "safe" stretch) and karma. >K, tell me to shut up anytime, I usually keep to myself, maybe you can see >why! >thnaks again >-jim - zx11 (now starts just fine ((if anyone remembers my starter >grinding))-always a much better bike than I am a rider) > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 23:47:52 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA09499 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (209-122-246-218.s599.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.246.218]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA05137; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:47:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kirt Senser" To: , , Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/13/99 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:45:57 -0000 Message-ID: <01becd89$da7b9b60$daf67ad1@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 I had an interesting run in with a very cool cop two weeks ago. I went to see a band that my friend is in, they were playing in Warrenton, Va. He apparently gave me wrong directions to the show, and after stopping to try and get directions (and flirting too, the girl was *really* cute), I said "screw it" and started to head home. About a mile south of 66, I stopped to get gas. As I was finishing up, a 900RR rolled by. I hopped on ,and proceeded to catch up. I caught up to him at about 85 on 66E about 1/2 mile after getting on the highway. I pulled up next to him and waved, he waved back, and then kinda nodded his head down the rode. I nodded back, dropped into 3rd, and took off. He was (obviously) right on my ass, and since traffic was light, we got up to some serious speeds pretty quickly. He pulled around me after about 5-6 miles, and took the lead. At this point, I tucked into his draft, and reached an *indicated* 163. We came upon some traffic about a half mile later, and both slowed down into the 80mph range (about the flow of traffic, maybe a little faster). We rode at this speed all the way through the Centreville area, sped up between route 50, and the exit for nutley street, and then slowed again into the 80s. Right after nutley st. I see the blue and reds flashing off cars around us. I check my mirrors, and low and behold, unmarked fairfax county cop about 15 ft. behind me. he pulls between the two of us, and we pull to the shoulder. After a minute or so, he gets out, comes back and talks to both of us. He had been pacing us since nutley st. and said we were weaving in and out of traffic (not really). he took our licenses (didn't ask for registration though), looked at them and asked us if he went back to the car and ran them through his computer, would he run into any trouble. I've been good for a while, and apparently so was the 900RR rider. The cop then hands us back our licenses, and says something along the lines of "it's a nice night, you guys have nice bikes, but you need to be careful around here...these people are crazy drivers. slow it down, and have a good night." I almost crapped my pants. I couldn't believe it (thank god he didn't see us doing however fast we were doing before. Now that I've got my top speed fix, I've been behaving a lot more. Except for the occasional wheelie now and then. Hehe... So, anyone know how fast these 600F3s really go? The speedo said 163, but I know they aren't acurate that high up. I was at about 12.5K RPM (still short of the redline by about a 1000), and it was like the world was standing still. Anyways, cheers to good natured cops (there are a few out there), and luck kick ass when it goes your way. Hobbes 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va -----Original Message----- From: JimJacks@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 2:57 AM Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/13/99 >wow...that was ...the best list posting (whatever you call it) yet! (ok, I >NEED to learn to take the good with the bad!) Much more informatiion and >mature stuff, much less gizmo gadget competition! COOL! Subjective opinion of >course, but I would hate to be ONLY sarchastic! >The karma and actual riding info ( not "cages suck" ((dont we all have cages >too?)) but riding INFO...was great! >I agree on karma, and I learned something on that cornering and tire skipping >topic, and I loved thinking about a world tour (for about a minute). > OK, so I am usually a sarchastic dick, at least I HATE FRANKS TOWING! (they >impounded my truck once, and I used to be a wrecker driver in Arlington) >Plus, with all of my subtle? sarchasm, you all NEVER once sent me any hate >mail! (probably you just ignored me, good call) >So....THANKS! >My respect for Collin is growing with each succinct and non pretentious >message I see here from him. >oh yea...my cop stories! ( I ride with others not on the list frequently) >1) to seneca rocks wv rout 55 way out, wv state trooper clocked me in front >at 69 (coasted down from 140) bike #2 at 70 (from a reported 120) and bike #3 >at 90 passing bike #2 (legally except for speed- down from 125)...wrote the >Blackbird for 70 in a 55 (not 90) and didnt lecture, only said be carefull >and let the other two (including me!) go. Cops can be cool. >2) (the next weekend) bike 2 from above finally passes me on 7 east heading >into leesburg after following me all day, clocked (Loudoun County) at 82 in a >55 (wreckless), cop asks about belief in god, small lecture, but in the end >no paper and "be carefull". >cops can be cool (#2) >So far they have been REALLY cool with me as I have yet to get cranked on my >bike, lol) I know they can suck too, but hey! I call em as I see em. Also >after Rob "swamp thing" slid out in front of me, and I had my own near miss >at a light, I am a BIG believer in caution (140 was an anonaly on a LONG >straight "safe" stretch) and karma. >K, tell me to shut up anytime, I usually keep to myself, maybe you can see >why! >thnaks again >-jim - zx11 (now starts just fine ((if anyone remembers my starter >grinding))-always a much better bike than I am a rider) > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 00:16:12 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm01sm.pmm.cw.net (pm01sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.98.150]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA10158 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:16:09 -0400 (EDT) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr51-dialup190.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.62.198.68]) by PM01SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35315) with SMTP id <0FEU001ZOEHVQK@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 04:15:32 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:14:42 +0000 Subject: Re: DC Sportbike Riders (was: reston town center) To: Brad , Brian Roach , dc-cycles Message-id: <008f01becd8d$dfb4bf40$44c63ea6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <201906231613.AA390332514@tidalwave.net> <3.0.6.32.19990713185919.0125d300@XXXXXX> > What cracked me up was how about 70% of them popped the seat cowles, and > pulled out polishing rags, cleaner, etc., then proceeded to wipe down every > smudge on their bikes. One guy took the whole time he was there to spiff up > his bike, then proceeded to head home! Oh, and the guy hanging of his bike, > doing 50 mph down the access road while going STRAIGHT was pretty amusing too. > Brad Those are the same guys that hang out at Haines Point and drag race between lights and do top end runs up 295 all night. If you want to see something funny, read their message board at: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcsportbikeriders I read it everyday for a laugh or 3. Slab racers all the way. They just took a ride up to Skyline and had total carnage. Let's just say they had a 1:4 ratio of downed bikes to upright ones. Jon From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 00:36:14 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA10682 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 95 (207-172-80-117.s54.as6.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.80.117]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id AAA27678 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <05c601becdb2$aa1f3fc0$7550accf@95> From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: test Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:38:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 please respond if you read this e-mail, in private so as to save bandwidth. A simple "yes" is fine. Thank you, Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 00:37:41 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA10685 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 95 (207-172-80-117.s54.as6.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.80.117]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id AAA28397 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <05ce01becdb2$de790b20$7550accf@95> From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: test Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:39:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 please respond to this e-mail if you recieve it. you can respond directly (dthompso1@XXXXXX) to save bandwidth. Thank you, Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 00:44:03 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA10804 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 95 (207-172-80-117.s54.as6.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.80.117]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id AAA02444; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <05e801becdb3$c218d540$7550accf@95> From: "Danny Thompson" To: , Subject: av gas Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:45:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 What is the lists concensus on using 100 low lead aviation gas (av gas) in a '99 VFR? Will it damage it? Improve/hurt performance? I recently got a part-time job at a local small time airport and have ready access to av gas as a good price. Thanks in advance, (and no I don't want to start a gas war :)) Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 01:42:01 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA11770 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 01:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.159]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 01:36:56 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Danny Thompson" , Subject: RE: av gas Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 01:38:01 -0400 Message-ID: <000701becdbb$098d82c0$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <05e801becdb3$c218d540$7550accf@95> Importance: Normal First, make sure you are talking about the right octane number. If memory serves, Hot Rod magazine mentioned a few years back that av gas only lists the research number. If you look at that number for pump gas (like at Exxon) it will generally be higher than the printed R+M/2 number. IOW... At Exxon (Sheetz, Texaco, etc.) hi test seems to be about 91 octane. That's R+M/2 (err... (R+M)/2 actually:) For arguments sake, let's say the R part is 95, the M part is 87. Since the av gas only uses the R part (not the average of the two) you are not gaining as much octane rating as you thought. That is the first point. Second point is this: if it ain't pinging, ignore it. The octane rating is there to serve as an indicator of resistance to pinging. Higher octane gases actually have a lower energy content (can't remember the chemistry/physics of it, but trust me on this one). What it does is allow you to run different timing and different compression ratios. If your engine is stock, you'll gain NOTHING from running AV gas. Honda has a few good engineers (or so I'm told) who know a thing or two about gas. If there was a problem running your bike on commonly available US gas, they wouldn't have sold it to you. Now, if you do have a modified engine... You need to go back and look at how the octane rating is derived for AV gas. Given what might be a small increase in rating, you might be better off with some octane boost from Pep Boys or some such. Summary: Stock engine: don't bother. Modified engine: probably don't bother. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 07:03:41 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA17811 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA03722 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA06654 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA13342 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust038.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.38]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA11951 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:04:14 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990714065809.006a8b64@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 06:58:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: How to measure top speed. In-Reply-To: <01becd89$da7b9b60$daf67ad1@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:45 PM 7/13/99 -0000, Kirt Senser wrote: >So, anyone know how fast these 600F3s really go? The speedo said 163, but I >know they aren't acurate that high up. There are several ways to get an accurate indication of top speed. The one that requires the least additional equipment is to use the lower gears and a stop watch and build a table of the actual speeds and indicated RPM on the tach. For example, ride a mile in 3rd at 5000, 7000, 9000 etc. and record the time (Speed = 3600/time). Then you can use the transmission ratios to scale the speed up when you ride in 5th or 6th. If you want to do this, I can make a spreadsheet that you would just fill in the blanks and get your answers. A second method is to track the bike with a GPS. GPS is accurate to within about 3 mph, but it takes a few seconds to catch up to your actual speed. The Garmin models hold the top speed attained, Lowrance/Eagle doesn't, but the plot trail from either can be used to track it anyway. The most accurate method and the one that is easiest to repeat is to buy a cyclometer. REI might still have the BC1100 on sale for $20, it will track your speed up to 200+mph. The accuracy on these is within 0.1% and the response time is about 1/2 second. The guys on the Long Distance list state that for best accuracy, you have to recalibrate as your tire wears down. It will take an hour or two to install, and most don't have a back light so you can't see it at night. Most of these also save the highest indicated speed. Leon. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 07:49:16 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from alms1.fw.att.com (alms1.att.com [192.128.167.146]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA18539 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140r1.ems.att.com ([135.65.202.58]) by alms1.fw.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id HAA07016 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh1.ems.att.com by njb140r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id HAA29070; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh1.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <366TN3V3>; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:48:41 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B5586@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Subject: Motor Ass Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:48:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain thought you all might get a kick out of this one... Is that a DC Cycles Racing T-shirt he's wearing? http://www.los.com/bsa/motorass.jpg Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 08:32:54 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f131.hotmail.com [209.185.131.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA19377 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 36839 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 1999 12:32:20 -0000 Message-ID: <19990714123220.36838.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.229.31.22 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 05:32:19 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.229.31.22] Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX From: "Leon Begeman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Speeding ticket Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 05:32:19 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed At about 7:45 this morning I got a reckless/speeding ticket on the HOV lanes in Fairfax County. There was a guy on a green and white Kawasaki ZX-7 that saw what happened. He was wearing matching leathers. Is that person on the list? Does anyone know who he might be? I'd like to ask a couple of questions so I can figure out 1) what happened and 2) how fast did he see me go? The officer said he paced me, but I don't see how he could have gotten an accurate speed based on what I saw. He gave me the ticket for 80 in a 55, I'm quite certain that I wasn't going that fast. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 08:45:28 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA20070 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:45:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 14 Jul 1999 15:44:42 UT Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 8:44 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dthompso1@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:RE: av gas Message-ID: <19990714084530295-13966d32@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Good reply there George! I couldn't have said it better myself (when I first saw the post I was like... OOOOH OOOOH OOOOH.... I know this!!!). Anyway... AV Gas is a thing of the past... a MAJOR thing of the past. Honda recommends 87 octane even with the hi-comp engines... 91-94 couldn't hurt though with heat around here (I always run hi-octane... just my preference). Folks were running AV Gas back in the day when hi-octane fuels were not available to the general public. Now, for the folks that have to have hi-octane that is unavailable at the pump, try a local speed shop. C&C Performance in Manassas, and Calhoun Speed Enterprises in Alexandria booth carry hi-octane fuels for "non-highway use" vehicles. You can't put it in a registered automobile (unless you really know the folks) so bring a few gas cans or a 55 gal drum. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: RE: av gas Author: ghowell@XXXXXX (George Howell) Date: 7/14/99 1:38 AM First, make sure you are talking about the right octane number. If memory serves, Hot Rod magazine mentioned a few years back that av gas only lists the research number. If you look at that number for pump gas (like at Exxon) it will generally be higher than the printed R+M/2 number. IOW... At Exxon (Sheetz, Texaco, etc.) hi test seems to be about 91 octane. That's R+M/2 (err... (R+M)/2 actually:) For arguments sake, let's say the R part is 95, the M part is 87. Since the av gas only uses the R part (not the average of the two) you are not gaining as much octane rating as you thought. That is the first point. Second point is this: if it ain't pinging, ignore it. The octane rating is there to serve as an indicator of resistance to pinging. Higher octane gases actually have a lower energy content (can't remember the chemistry/physics of it, but trust me on this one). What it does is allow you to run different timing and different compression ratios. If your engine is stock, you'll gain NOTHING from running AV gas. Honda has a few good engineers (or so I'm told) who know a thing or two about gas. If there was a problem running your bike on commonly available US gas, they wouldn't have sold it to you. Now, if you do have a modified engine... You need to go back and look at how the octane rating is derived for AV gas. Given what might be a small increase in rating, you might be better off with some octane boost from Pep Boys or some such. Summary: Stock engine: don't bother. Modified engine: probably don't bother. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 09:07:18 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA20582 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:07:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FEV000C831V8X@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:05:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA24883; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:06:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.38.156.10]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990714130549.SQYU23218@toddnt>; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:05:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:04:02 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Speeding ticket In-reply-to: <19990714123220.36838.qmail@hotmail.com> To: mrider@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000501becdf9$585c0910$0a9c26a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal What were the traffic conditions Leon. That time of morning there is usually a LOT of traffic. Seems dubious that anyone could pace anyone else in all that traffic. The fact that he gave you 80/55 (threshold for reckless in VA) indicates he may be biased. And the fact that he ignored all those out of and in-state cops using the HOV lanes without an HOV is the most F-ing hypocritical bunch of fraternal horse-shit in this F-d up area. All the recent talk about how "some" cops are cool is bull-shit. I've never had a good experience even when I played goody-innocent You need to fight this and to do it you need to attack the cops credibility. Here are a couple of good pages for help: http://www.motorists.org/ http://www.radar.org/ http://www.speedtrap.com/ > > At about 7:45 this morning I got a reckless/speeding ticket on > the HOV lanes > in Fairfax County. > > There was a guy on a green and white Kawasaki ZX-7 that saw what > happened. > He was wearing matching leathers. Is that person on the list? > Does anyone > know who he might be? I'd like to ask a couple of questions so I > can figure > out 1) what happened and 2) how fast did he see me go? > > The officer said he paced me, but I don't see how he could have gotten an > accurate speed based on what I saw. He gave me the ticket for 80 > in a 55, > I'm quite certain that I wasn't going that fast. > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 09:16:32 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.114]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA20887 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:16:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by wodc7mr0.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgxvh07081; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:15:48 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 852567AE.00499AD6 ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:23:57 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX cc: Brad , Brian Roach , dc-cycles Message-ID: <852567AE.004998A6.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:14:52 -0400 Subject: Re: DC Sportbike Riders (was: reston town center) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I wasn't going to say anything, but I read their messages too and now I can't resist... It was pretty comical how THREE riders went down this weekend... then the guy was like, "god saved me..." blah blah blah Whatever. Learn to ride. One guy responded with, "Leave the twisties to the real riders." LOL - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 dawn.jon@XXXXXX on 07/13/99 08:14:42 PM To: Brad , Brian Roach , dc-cycles cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Re: DC Sportbike Riders (was: reston town center) > What cracked me up was how about 70% of them popped the seat cowles, and > pulled out polishing rags, cleaner, etc., then proceeded to wipe down every > smudge on their bikes. One guy took the whole time he was there to spiff up > his bike, then proceeded to head home! Oh, and the guy hanging of his bike, > doing 50 mph down the access road while going STRAIGHT was pretty amusing too. > Brad Those are the same guys that hang out at Haines Point and drag race between lights and do top end runs up 295 all night. If you want to see something funny, read their message board at: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcsportbikeriders I read it everyday for a laugh or 3. Slab racers all the way. They just took a ride up to Skyline and had total carnage. Let's just say they had a 1:4 ratio of downed bikes to upright ones. Jon From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 09:41:33 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21252 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FEV0011J4N32F@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:40:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA31642 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:39:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.38.156.10]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990714134013.TCYZ23218@toddnt> for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:40:13 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:38:27 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: Virago 1100 for sale To: DC-Cycles Message-id: <000a01becdfe$26ff85e0$0a9c26a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Posting this for my neigbor. If anyone would care to x-post to a virago list, that would be appreciated. Call him please, not me. Todd ------------------------------- 1998 Yamaha Virago 1100 1300 miles, garage kept. I've seen the bike and it is in perfect condition. $7,900 Call Doug Meyer @ 703.866.2499 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 09:45:18 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21407 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:44:37 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Bad towing stories Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:44:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain John Whiteside asked, "Has anyone used the AMA's MoTow service? What's your experience been with the companies they contract with?" Yup, twice this year (severed clutch rod in the engine and unreparable tire gash from BF rock) Both times Ron's Towing showed up and treated my well-scarred Suzuki as if it were a highly polished Hardly. First time with a platform truck, second time with a tow truck. The second time, I kidded the driver, "don't scratch the finish". He replied, "Watch this" and he trussed up my DC traffic warrior with webbing and pads as if it were just of the show room floor. Color me amazed. NickKaiho@XXXXXX, claimed, "I'm in the market for a ramp thing to load my bike into the back of my truck. I saw one once and it looked like it was built for that very purpose (vs the thing i'm using now) Then he queried, "Anyone ever seen one of these things for sale ? If so, know where I could find one ?" Sam's Club in Gaithersburg ~$70 IIRC Carl S. Custer Bethesda, MD Commuting into your nation's capitol since 1981 through rain, sun, and snow, but no ice! '85 VF700S "Rocin-ahorito" '80 GS450E "Caballoante"; AMA 676120; OGM #008; FMOENMC #0002 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 09:46:29 1999 Return-Path: ksenser.erols.com@XXXXXX Received: from c008.sfo.cp.net (c008-h018.c008.sfo.cp.net [209.228.14.207]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA21420 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 5029 invoked from network); 14 Jul 1999 06:46:05 -0700 Date: 14 Jul 1999 06:46:05 -0700 Message-ID: <19990714134605.5028.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Jul 1999 13:46:05 GMT Received: from [207.172.7.13] by mail.emailcenter.net with HTTP; 14 Jul 1999 06:46:05 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Kirt Senser X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.0 X-Sent-From: ksenser.erols.com@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Sportbike Riders (was: reston town center) No doubt... I read through their message board, and these guys are far more squidly than even I am. They seem like quite a vain bunch also. I almost laughed myself out of my chair when looking at their pictures page on their website. Most of them are sitting on their perfectly polished new motorcycles, looking all "hard"... where's the smiles guys? Motorcycling is about having fun and excitement, plus you've all got really nice bikes. Crack a grin every once in a while...sheesh. In addition, they seem to enjoy talking huge amounts of shit back and forth at each other..."my bike is faster than yours, and yours too, and while I'm at it, your hayubasa/blackbird/R1 ain't squat compared to my supercharged-nitro-boosted-whatsamawhozit 1200 RRR" I've seen these guys out in DC a couple times, and scene bikes doing 150+ on the various roads connecting DC and Baltimore. Sure, they can go fast in a straight line, but where'd they learn to handle their bikes. Saw a guy yesterday evening in Georgetown with an R1, who looked just like one of the guys on the list who almost dumped his bike twice...once trying to make a u-turn across 4 lanes of traffic, and another making a right turn while holding a handful of front brakes. Oh well... Hobbes On Wed, 14 July 1999, Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > I wasn't going to say anything, but I read their messages too and now I can't > resist... > It was pretty comical how THREE riders went down this weekend... > then the guy was like, "god saved me..." blah blah blah > Whatever. > Learn to ride. > One guy responded with, "Leave the twisties to the real riders." > LOL > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > > dawn.jon@XXXXXX on 07/13/99 08:14:42 PM > > > To: Brad , Brian Roach , dc-cycles > > cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) > Subject: Re: DC Sportbike Riders (was: reston town center) > > > > > > > What cracked me up was how about 70% of them popped the seat cowles, and > > pulled out polishing rags, cleaner, etc., then proceeded to wipe down > every > > smudge on their bikes. One guy took the whole time he was there to spiff > up > > his bike, then proceeded to head home! Oh, and the guy hanging of his > bike, > > doing 50 mph down the access road while going STRAIGHT was pretty amusing > too. > > Brad > > Those are the same guys that hang out at Haines Point and drag race between > lights and do top end runs up 295 all night. > > If you want to see something funny, read their message board at: > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcsportbikeriders > > I read it everyday for a laugh or 3. Slab racers all the way. They just > took a ride up to Skyline and had total carnage. Let's just say they had a > 1:4 ratio of downed bikes to upright ones. > > Jon From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 09:50:42 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21506 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <3YAP11VA>; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:47:49 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB09C0@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Speeding ticket Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:50:02 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Actually since he (supposedly) was already above 75 that's Reckless. If he had been in a 65 zone then 80 would have been reckless. Remember it this way... in VA, 20 over is reckless UNLESS your in that 65 zone. I've had a few good luck stories with cops (like the WV state trooper who gave me a warning for 66 in a 55 last weekend) but NONE of them involve Fairfax or the VA state police. They seem to always give tickets. Glenn >What were the traffic conditions Leon. That time of morning there is >usually a LOT of traffic. Seems dubious that anyone could pace anyone else >in all that traffic. The fact that he gave you 80/55 (threshold for >reckless in VA) indicates he may be biased. > And the fact that he ignored all those out of and in-state >cops using the HOV lanes without an HOV is the most F-ing hypocritical bunch >of fraternal horse-shit in this F-d up area. All the recent talk about how >"some" cops are cool is bull-shit. I've never had a good experience even >when I played goody-innocent From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 09:57:54 1999 Return-Path: ksenser.erols.com@XXXXXX Received: from c008.sfo.cp.net (c008-h018.c008.sfo.cp.net [209.228.14.207]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA21601 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 5101 invoked from network); 14 Jul 1999 06:57:38 -0700 Date: 14 Jul 1999 06:57:38 -0700 Message-ID: <19990714135738.5100.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Jul 1999 13:57:38 GMT Received: from [207.172.7.13] by mail.emailcenter.net with HTTP; 14 Jul 1999 06:57:38 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX From: Kirt Senser Cc: dawn.jon@XXXXXX, F4Rider@XXXXXX, roach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.0 Subject: Re: DC Sportbike Riders (was: reston town center) X-Sent-From: ksenser.erols.com@XXXXXX Oh, and while I would never wish a crash upon anyone, it's pretty damn funny how many of those guys crashed. I think it was actually 4, because there were 3 names and an unnamed CBRXX rider. I would be willing to bet a large sum of money, that there was no order to their group either. Probably guys passing each other everywhere, and goin around turns in big group instead of spacing each other out. God has little to do with crashing...it's a matter of knowing how to control your reactions to situations, remain calm, and keep the sticky side down. anyways, enough rattling on by me... Hobbes On Wed, 14 July 1999, Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > I wasn't going to say anything, but I read their messages too and now I can't > resist... > It was pretty comical how THREE riders went down this weekend... > then the guy was like, "god saved me..." blah blah blah > Whatever. > Learn to ride. > One guy responded with, "Leave the twisties to the real riders." > LOL > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > > dawn.jon@XXXXXX on 07/13/99 08:14:42 PM > > > To: Brad , Brian Roach , dc-cycles > > cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) > Subject: Re: DC Sportbike Riders (was: reston town center) > > > > > > > What cracked me up was how about 70% of them popped the seat cowles, and > > pulled out polishing rags, cleaner, etc., then proceeded to wipe down > every > > smudge on their bikes. One guy took the whole time he was there to spiff > up > > his bike, then proceeded to head home! Oh, and the guy hanging of his > bike, > > doing 50 mph down the access road while going STRAIGHT was pretty amusing > too. > > Brad > > Those are the same guys that hang out at Haines Point and drag race between > lights and do top end runs up 295 all night. > > If you want to see something funny, read their message board at: > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcsportbikeriders > > I read it everyday for a laugh or 3. Slab racers all the way. They just > took a ride up to Skyline and had total carnage. Let's just say they had a > 1:4 ratio of downed bikes to upright ones. > > Jon From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 10:06:54 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f32.hotmail.com [209.185.131.95]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA21805 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5017 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 1999 14:06:13 -0000 Message-ID: <19990714140613.5016.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.229.31.23 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:06:13 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.229.31.23] Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX From: "Leon Begeman" To: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Speeding ticket Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:06:13 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" >Actually since he (supposedly) was already above 75 that's Reckless. If he >had been in a 65 zone then 80 would have been reckless. Remember it this >way... in VA, 20 over is reckless UNLESS your in that 65 zone. > That's part of the problem. I do know that rule, and try to make sure I stay under it. That's why I'd really like to know what the guy on the ZX7 saw. The difference between 74 and 80 is less than 10% but it's two points on my license. This might be the incentive I need to get the BC1100, it records the highest speed I attained, at least that way I can tell whether or not he tracked me correctly. I don't think he did this morning. Leon. > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 10:14:15 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21884 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <3YAP1FKT>; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:11:38 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB09C6@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'mrider@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Speeding ticket Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:13:50 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Its more then just two points. If you were doing 74 you could just pre-pay it and forget about it. Since its reckless you are REQUIRED to show up in court. Get a bad judge and he CAN throw the book at you. Since its a class 1 misdemeanor you can be charged up to $2500 and/or a year in jail. Of course those are the extremes and I've never known anyone to go to jail for a reckless but I've seen the judge pull people license for 3 months to a year for first time offenses. Good luck Leon. If you want legal counsel my friend (Carleton Penn 703-591-4900) has helped me and several other DC Cyclist on several occasions. Lawyers can usually get those reckless charges reduced to Improper Driving which is a BS charge. I think its a 3 pointer which is the same as 1 - 9 MPH over. Glenn >That's part of the problem. I do know that rule, and try to make sure I >stay under it. That's why I'd really like to know what the guy on the ZX7 >saw. The difference between 74 and 80 is less than 10% but it's two points >on my license. This might be the incentive I need to get the BC1100, it >records the highest speed I attained, at least that way I can tell whether >or not he tracked me correctly. I don't think he did this morning. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 10:18:00 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21963 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:17:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.152]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:12:55 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Tom Zell" , Subject: RE: RE: av gas Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:14:05 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01bece03$214a6520$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <19990714084530295-13966d32@fanniemaefoundation.org> Importance: Normal > Anyway... AV Gas is a thing of the past... a MAJOR thing of the > past. Honda > recommends 87 octane even with the hi-comp engines... 91-94 > couldn't hurt though > with heat around here (I always run hi-octane... just my preference). Funny thing octane requirements... My BMW lists the two numbers separately. To figure out what to use in the states, you have to average them. Lots of newbies trying to figure out where the heck to get 95 octane gas:) Then there's the Wing. Owner's manual says 85 (R+M)/2. Never had any problem whatsoever with 87. Next time I'm out west, I might try some 85, just for kicks. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 10:30:24 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA22246 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 14 Jul 1999 17:29:35 UT Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:28 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: av gas Message-ID: <19990714103024756-13f678ef@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii And for those seeking a high octane fuel (at least out west) Unocal dispenses 100 octane unleaded (California legal so it's good everywhere) for highway use. Just pull up to the pump and put it in your tank. Just be mindful of how much you use... the stuff is close to $4 a gallon! Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: RE: RE: av gas Author: ghowell@XXXXXX (George Howell) Date: 7/14/99 10:14 AM > Anyway... AV Gas is a thing of the past... a MAJOR thing of the > past. Honda > recommends 87 octane even with the hi-comp engines... 91-94 > couldn't hurt though > with heat around here (I always run hi-octane... just my preference). Funny thing octane requirements... My BMW lists the two numbers separately. To figure out what to use in the states, you have to average them. Lots of newbies trying to figure out where the heck to get 95 octane gas:) Then there's the Wing. Owner's manual says 85 (R+M)/2. Never had any problem whatsoever with 87. Next time I'm out west, I might try some 85, just for kicks. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 10:33:41 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA22268 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 14 Jul 1999 17:32:49 UT Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:32 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Dysart; Glenn B Mr SAM" , "mrider@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:RE: Speeding ticket Message-ID: <19990714103325356-13f93a67@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii As I mentioned a month ago or so on the list, VA is REALLY cracking down on the high-crimes of driving... the judges have been bad for the most part and have been throwing people in jail for bullshit offenses. Get some legal counsel. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: RE: Speeding ticket Author: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX (Dysart; Glenn B Mr SAM) Date: 7/14/99 10:13 AM Get a bad judge and he CAN throw the book at you. Good luck Leon. If you want legal counsel my friend (Carleton Penn 703-591-4900) has helped me and several other DC Cyclist on several occasions. Lawyers can usually get those reckless charges reduced to Improper Driving which is a BS charge. I think its a 3 pointer which is the same as 1 - 9 MPH over. Glenn >That's part of the problem. I do know that rule, and try to make sure I >stay under it. That's why I'd really like to know what the guy on the ZX7 >saw. The difference between 74 and 80 is less than 10% but it's two points >on my license. This might be the incentive I need to get the BC1100, it >records the highest speed I attained, at least that way I can tell whether >or not he tracked me correctly. I don't think he did this morning. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 10:46:02 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22486 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA05081 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA10625 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA12399 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:45:55 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990714104446.01aab730@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:45:54 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: DC Sportbike Riders (JZ?) In-Reply-To: <19990714135738.5100.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There is SOMEONE on the list that calls herself Ginger....that is in the dcsportbikeriders club...... Im not saying anything, but she has red hair and is married..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 10:47:41 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22507 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA05092 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA10691 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA12409 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:47:36 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990714104652.01aad6b0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:47:35 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: DC Sportbike Riders (JZ?) DOH! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just saw the post dates...and realized that maybe she is just screwing with them under an alias.....my bad.... Go get 'em Ginger. Just call me Gilligan. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 10:53:19 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from ww187.netaddress.usa.net (ww187.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.87]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA22611 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23984 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jul 1999 14:53:04 -0000 Message-ID: <19990714145304.23983.qmail@ww187.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.87 by ww187 via web-mailer(M3.2.0.53) on Wed Jul 14 14:53:04 GMT 1999 Date: 14 Jul 99 10:53:04 EDT From: LindaT To: dc Subject: RE: Speeding ticket X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.53) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Leon, depending on how you decide to deal with this: you might consider signing up for the driver improvement course. It will give you 5 good po= ints on your records. If your record is spotless, then you probably already h= ave the good points. You collect good points on your license for every year without a ticket up to a max of 5 (I think). You can take the course onc= e every two years. The course was a complete waste of time, but you do end= up with a certificate of completion that makes a difference to the powers th= at be. Everything taught was sheer common sense (and no gory movies), but t= here were people there who really didn't know the stuff. THAT was scary. When I got the ticket last year (on the HOV lanes too - 74 in 55), I was approaching my limit for points, so the driver's improvement course helpe= d me. They also didn't fine me either but the course cost me $65 so it was kin= d of a wash. = Good luck, LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (59K miles and counting) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle = http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/index.html = ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 11:07:46 1999 Return-Path: redsullivan@XXXXXX Received: from web502.yahoomail.com (web502.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA22872 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990714150652.12435.rocketmail@web502.yahoomail.com> Received: from [198.45.19.20] by web502.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:06:52 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:06:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: RE: Speeding ticket To: mrider@XXXXXX, Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Pacing seems sketchy to me. I've received a ticket under this method for a speed that was quite a bit faster than I thought I was going. I suspect the police officer might glance down at his speedo while he's playing catch-up and records that higher speed. But once he's given you the ticket, it would be pretty hard to prove that. Pretty much your word against the officer, who has had training and has a lot more credibility before the magistrate. Sean Sullivan --- Leon Begeman wrote: > That's part of the problem. I do know that rule, > and try to make sure I > stay under it. That's why I'd really like to know > what the guy on the ZX7 > saw. The difference between 74 and 80 is less than > 10% but it's two points > on my license. This might be the incentive I need > to get the BC1100, it > records the highest speed I attained, at least that > way I can tell whether > or not he tracked me correctly. I don't think he > did this morning. > > Leon. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit > http://www.msn.com > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 11:37:35 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA23473 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA05456 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:37:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.114]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA12452 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.16.2.37 by wodc7mr0.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgxvq24068; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:37:29 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 852567AE.00569944 ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:45:53 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Troutman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567AE.00569922.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:36:50 -0400 Subject: Re: DC Sportbike Riders (JZ?) DOH! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline You like my post about "dick measuring?" hee hee - Jeannette (Ginger) '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Troutman on 07/14/99 10:47:35 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Re: DC Sportbike Riders (JZ?) DOH! I just saw the post dates...and realized that maybe she is just screwing with them under an alias.....my bad.... Go get 'em Ginger. Just call me Gilligan. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 11:59:43 1999 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA23848 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 14 Jul 1999 15:59:37 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA21313 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:59:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Sportbike Riders (JZ?) DOH! In-Reply-To: <852567AE.00569922.00@172.16.2.37> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > You like my post about "dick measuring?" hee hee > > - Jeannette (Ginger) > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Fear. I dont want to know. I dont want too know. Okay. I do want to know. Crosspost or email it to me. I'm scared already. Alex. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 12:19:27 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24243 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:19:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by dfw7sosrv11.alter.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgxvt24155; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:19:12 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 852567AE.005A6AA5 ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:27:35 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Alex Milenkovic cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567AE.005A68D4.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:18:28 -0400 Subject: Re: DC Sportbike Riders (JZ?) DOH! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Well, basically the guys were all talking about riders going down this past weekend and one guy commented back that perhaps they should stop all the competitiveness 'cause it can get dangerous, referring to the riders that went down. I replied, "RE: Competitiveness - I've heard it called dick measuring." Of course, I fully expected to be flamed for that post, but one guy wrote back: "I guess mine's a 1/4 mile, then - hee hee" ...referring to their 1/4 races they do an the straights. ...hate to admit, I chuckled a bit at his post. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Alex Milenkovic on 07/14/99 11:59:32 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Re: DC Sportbike Riders (JZ?) DOH! > > You like my post about "dick measuring?" hee hee > > - Jeannette (Ginger) > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Fear. I dont want to know. I dont want too know. Okay. I do want to know. Crosspost or email it to me. I'm scared already. Alex. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 13:02:07 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25150 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:02:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA13830; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <36RDF5Z5>; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:06:20 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427D4F32B@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'Leon Begeman'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Speeding ticket Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:06:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Hi Leon, >At about 7:45 this morning I got a reckless/speeding ticket on the HOV lanes >in Fairfax County. >The officer said he paced me, but I don't see how he could have gotten an >accurate speed based on what I saw. He gave me the ticket for 80 in a 55, >I'm quite certain that I wasn't going that fast. Legal battle has a whole set of rules best left to an attorney. Please note I am a bithead (i.e., software engineer) so I have no standing in your decision. Simple words used in everyday conversation have specific denotations in law. For example "know"--the officer must demonstrate that he knows how fast you were going, but just a glance at the speedometer is not enough. The validity of the procedures that he used to determine your speed, the execution of those procedures, and the condition of his equipment to include especially proof of calibration at the time of use all must be demonstrated. Even the means of asking these questions likely has a protocol, oh well. Best of luck, Mike 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 13:03:59 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25168 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 114SRL-0002jQ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:03:27 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:03:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Sportbike Riders (was: reston town center) In-Reply-To: <008f01becd8d$dfb4bf40$44c63ea6@0302104396168270> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 14 Jul 1999 dawn.jon@XXXXXX wrote: > Those are the same guys that hang out at Haines Point and drag race between > lights and do top end runs up 295 all night. > > If you want to see something funny, read their message board at: > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcsportbikeriders > > I read it everyday for a laugh or 3. Slab racers all the way. They just > took a ride up to Skyline and had total carnage. Let's just say they had a > 1:4 ratio of downed bikes to upright ones. > > Jon I see you couldn't resist giving them shit after the Skyline ride. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 13:30:42 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25793 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:30:41 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2ADGa13291 (4327) for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:29:29 EDT Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC: POP3 and SMTP w/AOL ???? CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 In a message dated 7/13/99 9:42:14 PM, mike@XXXXXX writes: << Stay the Hell away from Mindspring (IMO).>> WHY??? I've heard nothing but kudos about mindspring except for you :D marcy From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 13:40:21 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25983 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:40:20 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2Pa0027648 (4327) for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:39:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9ce34eb3.24be254c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:39:24 EDT Subject: Re: Speeding ticket To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 In a message dated 7/14/99 8:41:43 AM, mriderleon@XXXXXX writes: <> wasn;t someone on the list, not too long ago, posting at length about all the right questions to bring up in court to cast doubt upon the accuracy of the cops idea of how fast you were going??? :D marcy From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 14:02:18 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1103.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.123]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA26578 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:02:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990714180243.4814.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1103.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:02:43 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:02:43 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC: POP3 and SMTP w/AOL ???? To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'll second the Mindspring warning. Used to use them. Nothing but trouble. Constantly getting disconnected, tech support no help in dealing with it. I finally just gave up and cancelled. --- JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 7/13/99 9:42:14 PM, > mike@XXXXXX writes: > > << Stay the Hell away from Mindspring (IMO).>> > > WHY??? I've heard nothing but kudos about mindspring > except for you :D > > marcy > === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 14:21:12 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA26976 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06989 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA17871 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lcsa3 (mail.lcsa.org) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FEV002ARHM5XK@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:22:51 -0400 From: Gary Foreman Subject: Anyone ever use Kiernan Racing Supplies ??? To: Tl1000 List , "Yamahafj@XXXXXX" , DC-Cycles Mailing List , Suzuki-L Message-id: <003901bece25$e1d07740$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) After much torment finding my new helmet (Arai Quantum/e Raptor) I ended up ordering it from Kiernan Racing Supplies. His price on the helmet wasn't the cheapest quoted price, but when all was said and done it ended up cheaper. The cheapest quoted price was $349.95 at Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse, but holy $hit, when they got done with the shipping charges, it was $499! On their web page they list 2nd day air at $22, but when I called, she said that didn't include all the handling fees. Well, the hell with them. They also wanted $72.95 for the same shield I got from Kiernan for $56. Never done business with them...never will. Of course the helmet hasn't arrived yet, but he was so kind to give me the UPS tracking number and it is on it's way. Kiernan Racing Supplies http://www.braincell.com/kiernan/ Gary W. Foreman Email: fj1100@XXXXXX Web: http://www.fj1100.com '99 TL1000R | '88 KX250 | '85 FJ1100 He who dies with the most toys...dies Happy! From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 14:21:35 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA26986 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA12900; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:21:27 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990714141846.01ac60d0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:21:20 -0400 To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC: POP3 and SMTP w/AOL ???? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:29 PM 7/14/99 , JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > >In a message dated 7/13/99 9:42:14 PM, mike@XXXXXX writes: > ><< Stay the Hell away from Mindspring (IMO).>> > >WHY??? I've heard nothing but kudos about mindspring except for you :D > >marcy I used to do a lot of online gaming. Quake and similar stuff - 2 hours a night for 2 years. Quite the addiction. Anyway, I became intimate with MS tech support on packet loss and connectivity issues. I never used them for email - my company has one of their dial in accounts for roaming email access. They are one of the few decent ISPs that have POPs all over the country. We still have them for that purpose, but most of us use Erols for local connectivity. We are an ISP, but engineered for corporate connectivity, and we only have one local POP, which would be long distance for our remote workers.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 14:37:48 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27310 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Anita.dlt.com ([199.4.241.102]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA12854 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:37:57 -0400 Message-Id: <199907141837.OAA12854@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:38:19 -0400 Subject: Now *that's* a lot of riding... Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) I've only got 985,000 miles to go! :-) http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/990713/nj_bmw_mot_1.html Anita From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 14:42:09 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27390 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA07139 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:41:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from chi6-1.relay.mail.uu.net (chi6-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.98]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA18484 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.16.2.37 by chi6sosrv11.alter.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgxwc13981; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:41:39 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 852567AE.00677458 ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:49:59 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Gary Foreman cc: Tl1000 List , "Yamahafj@XXXXXX" , DC-Cycles Mailing List , Suzuki-L Message-ID: <852567AE.006773E0.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:40:54 -0400 Subject: Re: Anyone ever use Kiernan Racing Supplies ??? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I have and always had good experiences. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Gary Foreman on 07/14/99 02:22:51 PM To: Tl1000 List , "Yamahafj@XXXXXX", DC-Cycles Mailing List , Suzuki-L cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Anyone ever use Kiernan Racing Supplies ??? After much torment finding my new helmet (Arai Quantum/e Raptor) I ended up ordering it from Kiernan Racing Supplies. His price on the helmet wasn't the cheapest quoted price, but when all was said and done it ended up cheaper. The cheapest quoted price was $349.95 at Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse, but holy $hit, when they got done with the shipping charges, it was $499! On their web page they list 2nd day air at $22, but when I called, she said that didn't include all the handling fees. Well, the hell with them. They also wanted $72.95 for the same shield I got from Kiernan for $56. Never done business with them...never will. Of course the helmet hasn't arrived yet, but he was so kind to give me the UPS tracking number and it is on it's way. Kiernan Racing Supplies http://www.braincell.com/kiernan/ Gary W. Foreman Email: fj1100@XXXXXX Web: http://www.fj1100.com '99 TL1000R | '88 KX250 | '85 FJ1100 He who dies with the most toys...dies Happy! From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 15:16:08 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (alpha.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA28057 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FEV0058YJXLUV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:10:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA10044; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:09:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.38.156.10]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990714191032.YDEU23218@toddnt>; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:10:32 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:08:43 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Now *that's* a lot of riding... In-reply-to: <199907141837.OAA12854@radagast.wizard.net> To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001001bece2c$4a2341a0$0a9c26a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal 26 years of riding, or an average of 38461.5384 miles/year. Come on Anita, you can do this :) If I get a chance to do my CC50 this year, I should have close to 30k for the year by January 1, 2000. Todd IBA, HSTA, AMA, HRCA, STOC, WSDYMOFOG > -----Original Message----- > From: Anita Lauro [mailto:2xracers@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 2:38 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Now *that's* a lot of riding... > > > I've only got 985,000 miles to go! :-) > > http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/990713/nj_bmw_mot_1.html > > Anita > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 15:29:45 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA28255 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <381MHCHF>; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:29:26 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Anyone ever use Kiernan Racing Supplies ??? Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:29:23 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > After much torment finding my new helmet (Arai Quantum/e > Raptor) I ended up > ordering it from Kiernan Racing Supplies. His price on the > helmet wasn't > the cheapest quoted price, but when all was said and done it ended up > cheaper. > Ya shoulda mentioned something to the list.... I have a sponsor for my race team that's been doing right by a lot of people ($280 for solid coloured Arai Quantums). For future ref.. Duane Griffith Dixie Cycle 318-368-3172 aloetran@XXXXXX And for all the sucess Jeannette's had, I've heard others complain of crapy service, and bad business dealings with Kiernan..... so buyer beware.. Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 15:47:55 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA28641 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:48:53 -0400 Message-Id: <199907141548.AA8061034@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: Now *that's* a lot of riding... X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > 26 years of riding, or an average of 38461.5384 miles/year. > Come on Anita, you can do this :) -------------------------------------------------------------- It would sure be fun trying, anyway. I think the key to high yearly mileage is a long commute. Mine is nominally only 24 miles each way. Makes it tough to get more than 30k a year, unless I get lost a lot. I bet if I got a job in Richmond...nah. I'll be happy averaging 30k for the next 33.33 years, I think. I'll get to 1Meg eventually. I wonder if they'll all be on Kawasakis? I never intended to be brand-conscious, it just worked out that way... :) Horkster, keeping tire and gas companies in business since 1996. -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 16:30:58 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.114]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA29589 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:30:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by wodc7mr0.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgxwk28127; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:30:03 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 852567AE.00716219 ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:38:26 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Horkster" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567AE.0071601A.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:29:15 -0400 Subject: RE: Now *that's* a lot of riding... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I'd say the key is to be independently filthy rich! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Horkster" on 07/14/99 03:48:53 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: RE: Now *that's* a lot of riding... ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > 26 years of riding, or an average of 38461.5384 miles/year. > Come on Anita, you can do this :) -------------------------------------------------------------- It would sure be fun trying, anyway. I think the key to high yearly mileage is a long commute. Mine is nominally only 24 miles each way. Makes it tough to get more than 30k a year, unless I get lost a lot. I bet if I got a job in Richmond...nah. I'll be happy averaging 30k for the next 33.33 years, I think. I'll get to 1Meg eventually. I wonder if they'll all be on Kawasakis? I never intended to be brand-conscious, it just worked out that way... :) Horkster, keeping tire and gas companies in business since 1996. -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 16:47:01 1999 Return-Path: harris@XXXXXX Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA29863 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:46:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (pm10h-156.his.com [209.67.210.156]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA07612 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990714164352.008e3630@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:43:52 -0400 To: From: Stephen Harris Subject: RE: av gas In-Reply-To: <19990714103024756-13f678ef@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:28 AM 7/14/99 -0400, Tom Zell wrote: >Just pull up to the pump and put it in your tank. Just be mindful of how much >you use... the stuff is close to $4 a gallon! ~If~ you need high octane fuel.... We used to use 100LL in our endurance bike. FZR600 with higher compression pistons. The big reason we used 100LL is price. You can buy it for about $1.70 per gallon (avaition fuel has very little of the taxes on it that we pay at the pump) vs the 3-5-8 per gallon for "race" gas. It may sound a little niggardly to be concerned with the price, but at a typical 24hour race we will need over 100 gallons (3.5 gallons per hour for about 30+ hours of racing & pratice) of fuel, so a difference of a buck a gallon is something to be concerned about. Anyway we put about 400 racing hours on various engines with 100LL. In all of that time no ill effect to the engines. 100LL is good & cheap if you need the octane. Another reason I like it better than "racing" fuel is the consistancy. 100LL is controled by the FAA as to is make up to a far more constatant basis than racing fuels. Once you set up the bike to run on 100LL you can buy fuel that behaves the same at every airport in the county. Not the same when switching from, say, powermist to unical or what every brand has the exclusive distributorship at the track in quesiton. Also, 100LL can sit in your tank for long peroids of time better than racing gas. But like I said ~if~ you need race gas....and almost everyone on this list does not. Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 17:31:28 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA00856 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Anita.dlt.com ([199.4.241.102]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA00836; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:31:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199907142131.RAA00836@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Todd Peer Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:31:56 -0400 Subject: RE: Now *that's* a lot of riding... CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal References: <199907141837.OAA12854@radagast.wizard.net> In-reply-to: <001001bece2c$4a2341a0$0a9c26a6@toddnt.mcit.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) On 14 Jul 99, at 15:08, Todd Peer wrote: > 26 years of riding, or an average of 38461.5384 miles/year. Come on Anita, > you can do this :) Well.. that's only 739.63 miles per weekend... 52 weekends a year.. until I'm 61... sure, I can do that! :-) In all honesty, I doubt I'll be racking up a ton of miles.. has something to do with my aversion to riding on the highway.. :-) If I can do 12K miles of twisties and backroads a year, I'll be happy! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 18:05:58 1999 Return-Path: bigredsled@XXXXXX Received: from web806.mail.yahoo.com (web806.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA01497 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990714220321.13315.rocketmail@web806.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.8.22.33] by web806.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:03:21 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:03:21 -0700 (PDT) From: s s Subject: Re: Now *that's* a lot of riding... To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Now you know how I felt when I got to the Beltway on the morning of June 1st. ;-) Let's go, I only need about 20k more miles this year, and that's doable! Spence.... --- Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> wrote: > I've only got 985,000 miles to go! :-) > > http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/990713/nj_bmw_mot_1.html > > Anita > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 19:14:06 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA02766 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA09216 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA02199 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:14:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.163]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:08:58 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: FW: New feature in IM Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:10:13 -0400 Message-ID: <001a01bece4e$07346dc0$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Shameless plug. I wrote a response to an article in IM last night. Turns out, it was going to be the topic of the next article. They took my piece (cleaning it up a bit) and posted that instead. >Interactive Motorcycle Update List - http://www.activebike.com > >A new feature, "Let the Buyer Beware" has been added. > >Enjoy. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 19:35:12 1999 Return-Path: tomorrow@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA03232 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erols.com (207-172-57-207.s207.tnt2.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.57.207]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA02157 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <378D1DC2.7686FC85@erols.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:31:14 -0400 From: Tim Morrow Reply-To: tomorrow@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: For Sale: 1982 Honda CB900F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For sale: 1982 Honda CB900F. Silver/blue. 8,400 miles. One owner. Complete, stock, original, runs well. Cosmetically fair. Original paint is faded and the original decals are yellowing. The tank has two dents in it: one from something falling onto the tank, the other from the bike partially falling over in the garage. Original seat cover torn, should be replaced. Good Dunlop K591 tires, good brake pads, Progressive Suspension rear shocks. Everything works, ridden regularly. Asking $675 or best offer. Northern Virginia. Can deliver anywhere in the metro area. Reply via e-mail (off-list) to tomorrow@XXXXXX Tim From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 20:14:53 1999 Return-Path: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA03911 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:14:52 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2VZZa16557 (4530) for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:12:44 EDT Subject: Re: av gas To: DC-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 100 low lead Avgas has too much lead for todays lead-free burning engines. You'll get lead deposits very very quickly. Don't use it. Rob VanSlyke Aircraft Mechanic From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 20:50:31 1999 Return-Path: harris@XXXXXX Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA04563 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (pm2h-70.his.com [209.67.210.70]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA03667; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990714204721.008f2270@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:47:21 -0400 To: NJitzul@XXXXXX, DC-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: av gas In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:12 PM 7/14/99 EDT, NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: >100 low lead Avgas has too much lead for todays lead-free burning engines. >You'll get lead deposits very very quickly. Don't use it. > >Rob VanSlyke >Aircraft Mechanic See my previous post. Specifically, lead build up was ~never~ a problem in our engines. Exhaust valve seat wear was actually decreased by the lead content. I can document this in valve clearance maintenance records over the service history of serval different racing engines. This, despite the fact the hard faced valve seats did not need lead to reduce wear. Over the years I've heard a lot of people warn about excessive lead content from 100LL in motorcycle engines. Our real world empirical experience shows this is not a concern whatsoever. Bottom line, using 100LL as a substitute for racing fuels poses no threat to the engine. Of course, 99.9% of the people out there do not need racing fuels anyway so.... S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 21:11:09 1999 Return-Path: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA04841 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:11:08 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id lUOOa20863 (4530); Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1312e17b.24be8ebf@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:09:19 EDT Subject: Re: av gas To: harris@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 I saw the post. For racing, it's fine. For day to day riding, it's bad news. I have never heard of people using it in motorcycles, but have heard of people using it in cars. The results were very different from what you describe. Then again, you are speaking of "racing" engines. I think a stock engine would suffer the same as the afor-mentioned cars, with lead deposits forming. Also, I suppose your race engines were disassembled and cleaned redularly? How many people disassemble their motorcycle and auto engines regularly? Rob VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 21:34:56 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA05241 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anita (tc2-s26.wizard.net [206.161.15.102]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA22054 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:34:52 -0400 From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Subject: One of our rides? :-) [HUMOR] Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:35:48 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bece62$5daeb480$660fa1ce@anita> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal You are invited to join the monthly RUNNING OF THE SQUIDS This isn't just a ride, it is a full rout, in the style of the Running of the Bulls or the Running of the Grunion. You won't want to miss the thrills and chills of this exciting event. Read on for a description of the emotional ups and downs you will experience during this unique happening. You will have the pleasure of riding with a variety of individuals most of whom have no initiation in the rules of the road, gentlemanly conduct, or plain common sense. "The Pace? What Pace!" Your fellow riders will be guys who truly think that safety-mindedness is for cowards and weaklings. Watch them throw caution to the wind in an unrestrained display of machismo and bravado. Pangs of distress will run through you as some of these folks demonstrate their lack of skill up close while operating motorcycles with power and braking capabilities beyond their ability to safely control. Witness their pride of ownership as they attempt to insert themselves in front of you at any time, especially when you are slowing down for safety's sake or to observe the speed limit in a heavily patrolled area. You will shake your head in disbelief as riders speed in access of 100 mph past driveways, lookout points and rest stops as you wonder what type of vehicle encounter will present itself for your entertainment. You will marvel as you watch ride participants perform skillful and daring acrobatic maneuvers, including flying through the air and somersaulting into the ditch. You will develop close bonds with your fellow riders as you get to know each other by the side of the road while waiting for emergency personnel to arrive at the scene of an unscheduled off-pavement excursion. You will wave emotional good-byes, as participants are lifted up into the sky by life flight helicopters, not knowing if you will ever ride with them again. You will enjoy watching newbies take the wrong roads and wander off to who knows where, on their own mystery rides, as the ride gets strung out in the back country. You will ponder where everyone went when you look around about halfway through the ride and half the participants who started with you are no longer there. You will endure waiting an unusually long time for some folks to reach stopping points only to have them continue on past while you wonder why you bothered to look out for them in the first place. You will thrill as your ride leader makes passes, in go slow zones, on these etiquette ignoring poseurs, while nearly clobbering errant motorists they have sent him in the path of. You will experience the heights of anxiety as riders on fast bikes demonstrate every kind of blocking maneuver while you attempt to pass them and enjoy traversing your favorite roads. Finally you will feel the urge to reach out and clutch someone when your ride leader tells you not to worry about all of this rude behavior and you listen to the ridicule of the clueless who don't like your advice. Don't miss it, there is nothing else like it. Brought to you by your local bike shop. The monthly RUNNING OF THE SQUIDS From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 22:25:34 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA06085 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA09892 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA08053 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.172.121.217] (207-172-121-217.s217.tnt15.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.121.217]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA18770; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199907150231.WAA18770@smtp2.erols.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:42:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Anyone ever use Kiernan Racing Supplies ??? From: "David Cross" To: Gary Foreman , Tl1000 List , "Yamahafj@XXXXXX" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" , "Suzuki-L" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit My experience with them (the shortened version): I bought a pair of leathers from them. First pair was too small so they sent another and said we will credit you for first pair when they get them back. Fine, Im charged a total of $2000 for the two sets of leathers but will get $1000 credited back to my visa when they get the first back. Two weeks after I sent them leathers back I hadnt gotten a credit. I call to confirm that they received them and they said yes and I will get my credit very soon. Well after 4 months of of calls to Visa, Better Business Bureau, New Jersey Chamber of Commerce, numerous phone calls to reach the illusive owner, and threats of contacting New Jersey District Attorney I get my $1000 back. I knew I was going to be in trouble when an employee told me that could he give me $1000 in merchandise because the business was in financial trouble. YMMV, but do business with them at your own risk. Dave Cross > After much torment finding my new helmet (Arai Quantum/e Raptor) I ended up > ordering it from Kiernan Racing Supplies. His price on the helmet wasn't > the cheapest quoted price, but when all was said and done it ended up > cheaper. > > The cheapest quoted price was $349.95 at Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse, but > holy $hit, when they got done with the shipping charges, it was $499! On > their web page they list 2nd day air at $22, but when I called, she said > that didn't include all the handling fees. Well, the hell with them. They > also wanted $72.95 for the same shield I got from Kiernan for $56. Never > done business with them...never will. > > Of course the helmet hasn't arrived yet, but he was so kind to give me the > UPS tracking number and it is on it's way. > > Kiernan Racing Supplies > http://www.braincell.com/kiernan/ > > Gary W. Foreman > Email: fj1100@XXXXXX > Web: http://www.fj1100.com > '99 TL1000R | '88 KX250 | '85 FJ1100 > He who dies with the most toys...dies Happy! > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 22:35:36 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA06313 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (209-122-252-177.s431.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.252.177]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA11350 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 99 22:28:52 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: RE: One of our rides? :-) [HUMOR] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 The disturbing thing is that just today I got e-mail to my other account from the dc-sportbikers, inviting me to ride to the Philly greek fest next weekend. Anyone scared? gregg --- On Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:35:48 -0400 Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> wrote: >You are invited to join the monthly RUNNING OF THE SQUIDS > >This isn't just a ride, it is a full rout, in the style of the Running of >the Bulls or the Running of the Grunion. You won't want to miss the thrills >and chills of this exciting event. Read on for a description of the >emotional ups and downs you will experience during this unique happening. > >You will have the pleasure of riding with a variety of individuals most of >whom have no initiation in the rules of the road, gentlemanly conduct, or >plain common sense. "The Pace? What Pace!" > >Your fellow riders will be guys who truly think that safety-mindedness is >for cowards and weaklings. Watch them throw caution to the wind in an >unrestrained display of machismo and bravado. > >Pangs of distress will run through you as some of these folks demonstrate >their lack of skill up close while operating motorcycles with power and >braking capabilities beyond their ability to safely control. > >Witness their pride of ownership as they attempt to insert themselves in >front of you at any time, especially when you are slowing down for safety's >sake or to observe the speed limit in a heavily patrolled area. > >You will shake your head in disbelief as riders speed in access of 100 mph >past driveways, lookout points and rest stops as you wonder what type of >vehicle encounter will present itself for your entertainment. > >You will marvel as you watch ride participants perform skillful and daring >acrobatic maneuvers, including flying through the air and somersaulting >into the ditch. > >You will develop close bonds with your fellow riders as you get to know >each other by the side of the road while waiting for emergency personnel >to arrive at the scene of an unscheduled off-pavement excursion. > >You will wave emotional good-byes, as participants are lifted up into the >sky by life flight helicopters, not knowing if you will ever ride with them >again. > >You will enjoy watching newbies take the wrong roads and wander off to who >knows where, on their own mystery rides, as the ride gets strung out in >the back country. > >You will ponder where everyone went when you look around about halfway >through the ride and half the participants who started with you are no >longer there. > >You will endure waiting an unusually long time for some folks to reach >stopping points only to have them continue on past while you wonder why >you bothered to look out for them in the first place. > >You will thrill as your ride leader makes passes, in go slow zones, on >these etiquette ignoring poseurs, while nearly clobbering errant motorists >they have sent him in the path of. > >You will experience the heights of anxiety as riders on fast bikes >demonstrate every kind of blocking maneuver while you attempt to pass them >and enjoy traversing your favorite roads. > >Finally you will feel the urge to reach out and clutch someone when your >ride leader tells you not to worry about all of this rude behavior and you >listen to the ridicule of the clueless who don't like your advice. > >Don't miss it, there is nothing else like it. Brought to you by your local >bike shop. > >The monthly RUNNING OF THE SQUIDS > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/14/99 HSTA/AMA 10:28:52 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 23:39:54 1999 Return-Path: JimJacks@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA07611 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 23:39:52 -0400 (EDT) From: JimJacks@XXXXXX Received: from JimJacks@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id vBDAa28288 (4318) for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 23:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1402f467.24beb17b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 23:37:31 EDT Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/14/99 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Someone said: "All the recent talk about how "some" cops are cool is bull-shit. I've never had a good experience even when I played goody-innocent off soap box." bull-shit? A warning at 83 in a 55? A ticket for 15 over instead of 35 over? ok, I see your point. All cops are dicks. Also....didnt someone get into trouble downtown using the word "niggardly"? Everything is so political in this town! he he he see y'all, I'm off to Morocco, so no sarchasm for awhile, I know you will miss it! (not)! Ride safe - Jim zx11 (hardstarting) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 23:52:01 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA08036 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 23:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (216-164-225-200.s454.tnt6.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.225.200]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA14268; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 23:51:55 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990714234912.00a21470@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 23:51:49 -0400 To: JimJacks@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/14/99 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <1402f467.24beb17b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:37 PM 7/14/99 , JimJacks@XXXXXX wrote: >Someone said: >"All the recent talk about how "some" cops are cool is bull-shit. I've never >had a good experience even when I played goody-innocent off soap box." >bull-shit? >A warning at 83 in a 55? A ticket for 15 over instead of 35 over? ok, I see >your point. All cops are dicks. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. If a cop pulls me for 80+ in a 55, you won't catch me whining about the cop being an ass for giving me a ticket. I fully expect one. I may whine about getting caught though.... Ticket free on bikes so far....wish I were so lucky in the cage.... _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 00:17:35 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA08613 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 00:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 114cxe-0002QR-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:17:31 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:17:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Starting my tour Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'll be starting my 4 corneres tour tomorrow by heading up to Mid-Ohio wiht Danny and Brian. For those whow are interested you can keep track of my tour at: http://www.twowheelsgood.net/tour/tour.html . The site is pretty sparse at the moment but I hope to update it this weekend sometime. I'll email the list as I update my website. I probably won't be reading the list so if you wisht to contact me you can send email to hughc@XXXXXX . ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 06:46:31 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA15708 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 06:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <38W7Y4XN>; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 06:43:53 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB09DB@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Stephen Harris'" , NJitzul@XXXXXX, DC-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: av gas Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 06:46:23 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I think the real problem here is for cars, not bikes, specifically the catalytic converter gets damaged by lead. Isn't there a bike with a cat? That weird Yamaha? Glenn At 08:12 PM 7/14/99 EDT, NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: >100 low lead Avgas has too much lead for todays lead-free burning engines. >You'll get lead deposits very very quickly. Don't use it. > >Rob VanSlyke >Aircraft Mechanic > See my previous post. Specifically, lead build up was ~never~ a problem >in our engines. Exhaust valve seat wear was actually decreased by the lead >content. I can document this in valve clearance maintenance records over >the service history of serval different racing engines. This, despite the >fact the hard faced valve seats did not need lead to reduce wear. Over the >years I've heard a lot of people warn about excessive lead content from >100LL in motorcycle engines. Our real world empirical experience shows >this is not a concern whatsoever. > Bottom line, using 100LL as a substitute for racing fuels poses no threat >to the engine. > Of course, 99.9% of the people out there do not need racing fuels anyway >so.... From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 07:14:31 1999 Return-Path: berman@XXXXXX Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA16070 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 07:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA17652; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 07:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 07:14:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" cc: "'Stephen Harris'" , NJitzul@XXXXXX, DC-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: av gas In-Reply-To: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB09DB@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII One of the Yams, as well as the BMW's -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Thu, 15 Jul 1999, Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: > I think the real problem here is for cars, not bikes, specifically the > catalytic converter gets damaged by lead. Isn't there a bike with a cat? > That weird Yamaha? > > Glenn > > > > At 08:12 PM 7/14/99 EDT, NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > >100 low lead Avgas has too much lead for todays lead-free burning engines. > >You'll get lead deposits very very quickly. Don't use it. > > > >Rob VanSlyke > >Aircraft Mechanic > > > > See my previous post. Specifically, lead build up was ~never~ a > problem > >in our engines. Exhaust valve seat wear was actually decreased by the lead > >content. I can document this in valve clearance maintenance records over > >the service history of serval different racing engines. This, despite the > >fact the hard faced valve seats did not need lead to reduce wear. Over the > >years I've heard a lot of people warn about excessive lead content from > >100LL in motorcycle engines. Our real world empirical experience shows > >this is not a concern whatsoever. > > > Bottom line, using 100LL as a substitute for racing fuels poses no > threat > >to the engine. > > > Of course, 99.9% of the people out there do not need racing fuels > anyway > >so.... > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 07:16:22 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA16170 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 07:16:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <381MH49W>; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 04:16:11 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: av gas Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 04:16:10 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) All BMWs? Actually, I've heard that lead makes deposits on the valves as well... it's not as quick on MC engines because of the higer revs, and less so on a race-bike where it's only run at the limits.. but it's there. Brian > -----Original Message----- > I think the real problem here is for cars, not bikes, specifically the > catalytic converter gets damaged by lead. Isn't there a bike > with a cat? > That weird Yamaha? > > Glenn From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 09:04:00 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA18961 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA12949 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA23025 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mo3980r1.ems.att.com ([135.38.12.14]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id JAA01613 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh1.ems.att.com by mo3980r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id JAA17555; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh1.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <366TPK8F>; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:03:48 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE0124A63B@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Carver, John M, BGM" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: ZX-12 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:03:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain From this week's MCN: (I copied it from the yahoo DC area sportbike riders club) "Kawasaki's close-to-ready ZX-12R covered a 1/4 mile from a standing start in just 9.52 seconds, according to leaked figures from a secret test session. If they are correct it means that the bike is more than a quarter-of-a-second faster than it's main rival, Suzuki's Hayabusa, which can cover the same distance in 9.8 seconds" Other claims include 182 bhp at he crank and weight of 215 kg... End of article. I've also heard top speeds of 204 mph in one direction and 206 mph in the other direction (why??? negates wind assist). Average speed...205 mph! This will also be the first production bike to be fitted with a 200mm wide rear tire. Get your check books ready fellas. "Super-powerful bikes, get bikes banned" LOL. John 98VFR From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 09:56:14 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA19816 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:55:21 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:55:16 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:53:49 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: JimJacks@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/14/99 -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Also....didnt someone get into trouble downtown using the word "niggardly"? Yup. The PC Army has decided that the word is offensive, no matter what its meaning. Idiotic. BTW, I used the very word in my last performance review with my supervisor to describe my last raise. Joe From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 10:29:47 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20373 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 10:29:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.156]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 10:24:38 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" , "'Stephen Harris'" , , Subject: RE: av gas Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 10:26:01 -0400 Message-ID: <001b01bececd$f6e6f020$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB09DB@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Importance: Normal > I think the real problem here is for cars, not bikes, specifically the > catalytic converter gets damaged by lead. Isn't there a bike with a cat? > That weird Yamaha? > > Glenn Are you thinking of the GTS-1000? I'm not sure. All current Beemers (except the F650) have 'em. I think there's also a Kawasaki or something that has one currently. Maybe only in CA. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 14:59:18 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA25339 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 14:59:15 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA11420; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 14:58:54 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa08122; Thu, 15 Jul 99 14:55:25 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FEX00DFWDZCPD@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 14:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567AF.0067C3AB ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 14:53:18 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 14:52:37 -0400 Subject: Chrome Kawasaki To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567AF.0067BD49.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL A link from the dc sportbike squid site: http://zx-chrome.blood.com/ Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 15:12:39 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25657 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA16580 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:12:26 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990715151110.01e04290@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:12:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: '83 Yamaha 550? In-Reply-To: <852567AF.0067BD49.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anyone have, or have a pic of an '83 Yamaha 550? A friend is thinking about buying one from a distant co-worker for the grand sum of $500, but before he makes the trip out he wants to see what they look like. I scanned the search engines with no luck.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 15:24:46 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA25845 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:22:02 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:21:58 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:20:19 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Subject: Chrome Kawasaki -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I guess that'd keep ya busy with yer polishin' rag. Joe From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 16:52:42 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA27603 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (216-164-244-213.s467.tnt11.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.244.213]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA22436 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 99 16:47:14 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: This weekend To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Is officially Squid dayz. Ruff Ryders(rap group for the older folks) are looking for sportbike riders to go to RFK for a video shoot and do burnouts, wheelies, and stoppies. I think I might go just to check out the hardware-might be some interesting things showing up. Sat 12-6, Sun 1-7. RFK parking lot. Free food, drinks, T-shirts. Don't think I'll participate, but should be fun to watch-I'm betting at least one looped bike. Anyone want to ride in from Mclean area? Greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/15/99 HSTA/AMA 4:47:14 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 16:59:17 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA27710 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:59:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by dfw7sosrv11.alter.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgyad01276; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:59:02 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 852567AF.00736A54 ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:00:38 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: JOE NAGY cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567AF.007369F1.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:58:02 -0400 Subject: Re: Chrome Kawasaki -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline ...not to mention being blinded by the sun! LOL - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 JOE NAGY on 07/15/99 03:20:19 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Chrome Kawasaki -Reply I guess that'd keep ya busy with yer polishin' rag. Joe From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 17:13:03 1999 Return-Path: bigredsled@XXXXXX Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA28068 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990715211703.25786.rocketmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.8.23.33] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:17:03 GMT Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:17:03 +0000 (GMT) From: s s Subject: RE: av gas To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" , "'Stephen Harris'" , NJitzul@XXXXXX, DC-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think almost all of the new beemers have catatonic perverters. Go ahead, put 100LL in there, it'll look like chernobyl ;-) Spence.. --- "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" wrote: > I think the real problem here is for cars, not > bikes, specifically the > catalytic converter gets damaged by lead. Isn't > there a bike with a cat? > That weird Yamaha? > > Glenn > > > > At 08:12 PM 7/14/99 EDT, NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > >100 low lead Avgas has too much lead for todays > lead-free burning engines. > >You'll get lead deposits very very quickly. Don't > use it. > > > >Rob VanSlyke > >Aircraft Mechanic > > > > See my previous post. Specifically, lead build up > was ~never~ a > problem > >in our engines. Exhaust valve seat wear was > actually decreased by the lead > >content. I can document this in valve clearance > maintenance records over > >the service history of serval different racing > engines. This, despite the > >fact the hard faced valve seats did not need lead > to reduce wear. Over the > >years I've heard a lot of people warn about > excessive lead content from > >100LL in motorcycle engines. Our real world > empirical experience shows > >this is not a concern whatsoever. > > > Bottom line, using 100LL as a substitute for > racing fuels poses no > threat > >to the engine. > > > Of course, 99.9% of the people out there do not > need racing fuels > anyway > >so.... > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 17:16:48 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA28179 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:16:47 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id RAA18834; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:17:33 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma018310; Thu, 15 Jul 99 17:16:31 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FEX00JWFKJDLC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567AF.0074BAF2 ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:15:00 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:14:17 -0400 Subject: Re: This weekend To: Greg Sachs Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567AF.0074B693.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I'd be interested in seeing that. Should be good for a few laughs. I live in Manassas, but can meet up with others elsewhere in No. Va. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: Greg Sachs Date: 07/15/99 08:47:14 PM GMT Subject: This weekend Is officially Squid dayz. Ruff Ryders(rap group for the older folks) are looking for sportbike riders to go to RFK for a video shoot and do burnouts, wheelies, and stoppies. I think I might go just to check out the hardware-might be some interesting things showing up. Sat 12-6, Sun 1-7. RFK parking lot. Free food, drinks, T-shirts. Don't think I'll participate, but should be fun to watch-I'm betting at least one looped bike. Anyone want to ride in from Mclean area? Greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/15/99 HSTA/AMA 4:47:14 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 17:21:35 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28307 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA23231; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <36RDF70Z>; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:26:05 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427D4F330@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'hughc@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'DC-CYCLES'" Subject: RE: Starting my tour Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:26:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Go Hugh!!! RIDE HARD DIE FREE Just kidding, I have given up that battle cry since coming back East. OK, so maybe I do a little foolin' around--GT cager eat my dust! I now suffer from that sick pale of green, oh well, maybe the next time you go I'll be able to fly wing man. Best of luck and God's Speed, Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 17:28:29 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28412 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud77i (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA22089; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001f01becf08$5ba52470$7901a8c0@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt Senser" To: , "Greg Sachs" Cc: References: <852567AF.0074B693.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Subject: Re: This weekend Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:24:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I'd like to go too... If anyone has any ideas for places we can meet up, let me know. I think this should be fairly "interesting" hehe... Kirt 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Greg Sachs Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 5:14 PM Subject: Re: This weekend > I'd be interested in seeing that. Should be good for a few laughs. I live > in Manassas, but can meet up with others elsewhere in No. Va. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > cc: > From: Greg Sachs > Date: 07/15/99 08:47:14 PM GMT > Subject: This weekend > > > > > Is officially Squid dayz. Ruff Ryders(rap group for the older folks) are > looking for sportbike riders to go to RFK for a video shoot and do > burnouts, wheelies, and stoppies. I think I might go just to check out > the hardware-might be some interesting things showing up. Sat 12-6, Sun > 1-7. RFK parking lot. Free food, drinks, T-shirts. Don't think I'll > participate, but should be fun to watch-I'm betting at least one looped > bike. Anyone want to ride in from Mclean area? > Greg > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer > ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX > 7/15/99 HSTA/AMA 4:47:14 PM > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 17:37:22 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28613 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (216-164-236-137.s137.tnt12.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.236.137]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA25504; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 99 17:34:28 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: Re: This weekend To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, Kirt Senser Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 --- On Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:24:01 -0400 Kirt Senser wrote: >I'd like to go too... If anyone has any ideas for places we can meet up, >let me know. I think this should be fairly "interesting" hehe... > >Kirt >1996 CBR 600F3 SJR >Annandale, Va > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: Greg Sachs >Cc: >Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 5:14 PM >Subject: Re: This weekend > > >> I'd be interested in seeing that. Should be good for a few laughs. I live >> in Manassas, but can meet up with others elsewhere in No. Va. >> >> Chris Weaver >> '98 VTR 1000 >> >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> cc: >> From: Greg Sachs >> Date: 07/15/99 08:47:14 PM GMT >> Subject: This weekend >> >> >> >> >> Is officially Squid dayz. Ruff Ryders(rap group for the older folks) are >> looking for sportbike riders to go to RFK for a video shoot and do >> burnouts, wheelies, and stoppies. I think I might go just to check out >> the hardware-might be some interesting things showing up. Sat 12-6, Sun >> 1-7. RFK parking lot. Free food, drinks, T-shirts. Don't think I'll >> participate, but should be fun to watch-I'm betting at least one looped >> bike. Anyone want to ride in from Mclean area? >> Greg >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer >> ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX >> 7/15/99 HSTA/AMA 4:47:14 PM >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >> taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >> entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you >received >> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >> computer. >> >> > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/15/99 HSTA/AMA 5:34:28 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 17:38:32 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28623 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (216-164-236-137.s137.tnt12.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.236.137]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA25931; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 99 17:34:49 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: Re: This weekend To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, Kirt Senser Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 Someone just needs to suggest a time and place(I'd prefer Sat, personally,) I'm heading north Sunday for a HSTA ride. Anyone interested in that, drop me a line. Greg --- On Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:24:01 -0400 Kirt Senser wrote: >I'd like to go too... If anyone has any ideas for places we can meet up, >let me know. I think this should be fairly "interesting" hehe... > >Kirt >1996 CBR 600F3 SJR >Annandale, Va > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: Greg Sachs >Cc: >Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 5:14 PM >Subject: Re: This weekend > > >> I'd be interested in seeing that. Should be good for a few laughs. I live >> in Manassas, but can meet up with others elsewhere in No. Va. >> >> Chris Weaver >> '98 VTR 1000 >> >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> cc: >> From: Greg Sachs >> Date: 07/15/99 08:47:14 PM GMT >> Subject: This weekend >> >> >> >> >> Is officially Squid dayz. Ruff Ryders(rap group for the older folks) are >> looking for sportbike riders to go to RFK for a video shoot and do >> burnouts, wheelies, and stoppies. I think I might go just to check out >> the hardware-might be some interesting things showing up. Sat 12-6, Sun >> 1-7. RFK parking lot. Free food, drinks, T-shirts. Don't think I'll >> participate, but should be fun to watch-I'm betting at least one looped >> bike. Anyone want to ride in from Mclean area? >> Greg >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer >> ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX >> 7/15/99 HSTA/AMA 4:47:14 PM >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >> taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >> entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you >received >> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >> computer. >> >> > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/15/99 HSTA/AMA 5:34:49 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 18:31:22 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29729 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 18:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA23613; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 18:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <36RDF8CV>; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 18:35:35 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427D4F331@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'Troutman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: '83 Yamaha 550? Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 18:35:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Mike, Here are some URLs for XJs Picture pages http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/1020/xjpics.html XJ 550 picture page http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/1020/stacy.html To be honest I have no clue as to what other bikes were made in '83 by Yamahopper, but I love those early 80s air-cooled, in-line 4 power plants. I have my eyes out for a can-of-tuna/bandit or for the new KAW ZR-7 bike--plumbing is for houses. Good luck helping your friend, Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ (hey, how about that) -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 3:12 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: '83 Yamaha 550? Anyone have, or have a pic of an '83 Yamaha 550? A friend is thinking about buying one from a distant co-worker for the grand sum of $500, but before he makes the trip out he wants to see what they look like. I scanned the search engines with no luck.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 19:27:24 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA00975 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 19:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 16 Jul 1999 02:26:34 UT Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:25 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:Chrome Kawasaki Message-ID: <19990715152729935-1a2cd289@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'd rather be caught riding a moped... Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Chrome Kawasaki Author: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: 7/15/99 2:52 PM A link from the dc sportbike squid site: http://zx-chrome.blood.com/ Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 20:22:25 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA02116 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:36:52 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:36:45 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:34:51 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Subject: '83 Yamaha 550? -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Not sure, but I don't think there were Seca 550s in '83, so it's probably a Maxim--don't Collin have one o' them? Joe From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 20:44:03 1999 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (root@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA02613 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id UAA24365; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:42:58 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:42:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: JOE NAGY cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Subject: Re: '83 Yamaha 550? -Reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 550 Secas and Maxims 1981-3; 550 Visions 1982-3; XT-550 1982-3. --garcia On Thu, 15 Jul 1999, JOE NAGY wrote: > Not sure, but I don't think there were Seca 550s in '83, so it's > probably a Maxim--don't Collin have one o' them? > > Joe > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 20:55:28 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA02860 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA18283 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:55:25 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA25988 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id vSXCa26917 (4187); Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:54:11 EDT Subject: Sunday at RFK stadium To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: balt-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Ok heres the deal. I just bought my new 99 750 on tuesday and while at the dealership, the guy gave me a flier. Turns out on sunday from 1-7pm Double Platinum Productions will be filming a new sportbike video. They are inviting anyone with a sportbike to attend. Also, the Star Boys from OH, and the Ruff Ryders from NY will be there. Im sure its gonna be a handfull. If anyone is interested in going, I am leaving from Towson MD around noon (have to show up to work for atleast an hour). If you want to check out the details, the web address on the flier is WWW.DP2000.COM Sean... From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 21:18:44 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA03279 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA18346 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA26473 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (209-122-246-189.s570.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.246.189]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA18058; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 99 21:12:42 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: RE: Sunday at RFK stadium To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Yeah, as I said, should be squid central-the Star Boyz I sorta know from my past in cleveland, and they definately qualify. They released their self titled video at teh Cleveland Bike show, all burnouts, wheelies, top end runs on the roads near akron/cleveland. I'm heading down sat, probably be there about noon, not sure exactly though. --- On Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:54:11 EDT CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: >Ok heres the deal. I just bought my new 99 750 on tuesday and while at the >dealership, the guy gave me a flier. Turns out on sunday from 1-7pm Double >Platinum Productions will be filming a new sportbike video. They are >inviting anyone with a sportbike to attend. Also, the Star Boys from OH, and >the Ruff Ryders from NY will be there. Im sure its gonna be a handfull. >If anyone is interested in going, I am leaving from Towson MD around noon >(have to show up to work for atleast an hour). >If you want to check out the details, the web address on the flier is >WWW.DP2000.COM > >Sean... > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/15/99 HSTA/AMA 9:12:42 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 00:37:46 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm04sm.pmm.cw.net (pm04sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.98.153]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA06751 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 00:37:45 -0400 (EDT) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr51-dialup4.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.62.197.132]) by PM04SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35318) with SMTP id <0FEY00CV64TZHH@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 04:37:12 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 00:36:19 +0000 Subject: titles To: DC Cycles Message-id: <015701becf23$392fee00$84c53ea6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal I have a chance to buy a race bike, but it doesn't have a title. The person who has it now says he bought it from a guy in CA and it was registered there, but he didn't bother to get the title from him when he bought it. It sounds fishy to me, but was wondering if it's possible to re-title this bike in MD. Any way I could get the vin# run before I bought it so I don't get screwed? Just looking for some advice. Jon From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 01:35:39 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA08005 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 01:35:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id nSBBa23461 (4318); Fri, 16 Jul 1999 01:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8c6785af.24c01ce1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 01:28:01 EDT Subject: Two Brothers' Naked Hayabusa....cool! To: mike@XXXXXX, MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 http://www.twobros.com/hayabusa/rodan/rodan.html From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 01:40:19 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA08026 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 01:40:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2HMRa22677 (4318); Fri, 16 Jul 1999 01:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 01:35:38 EDT Subject: Man, sometimes you just half to laugh.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cbr@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Tonight I went out with some friends to indulge in certain libations, (I now being of the legal age to do so), and in my wanderings came across a seemingly organized posse of sportbikes parked out in front of a club. There was one Buell, a ZX?-R, a CBR900RR and 4, (count them 4!), R1's, all parked side by side. So I make a slight detour to take a look, and I have to surpress a chuckle; they all have chicken strips on them wider than the Mississippi! Yes, I'm sure you can make the argument against judging riders based on their bikes, (book by its cover, etc.)......but damn! Unless these guys all got there tires changed at the same time, or just got back from a long, group road trip, it was fairly pathetic. Even though the Brit-mags like to call my bike a "lorry" and the American mags says she has no "character", at least I know I can "ride" my bike. Hehehehheheheh...... -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 02:07:24 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA09198 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 02:07:22 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2RGKa04945 (4543) for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 02:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2e3f1c53.24c025e7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 02:06:31 EDT Subject: Re: Man, sometimes you just half to laugh.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 I think i can guess...but what are chicken strips? anything to do with BBQ sauce? ;D marcy In a message dated 7/16/99 1:45:06 AM, Eternity23@XXXXXX writes: <> From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 06:38:17 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA13449 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 06:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA25216; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 06:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <36RDF8NJ>; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 06:42:38 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427D4F335@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'dawn.jon@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: titles Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 06:42:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Jon, Run, do not walk, to the nearest exit. Who would spend thousands of dollars on a vechicle and would not "bother to get the title" for it? But, having only owned bikes and cars for the road, I know very little about the particulars. Still there is that little voice saying "Is this a HOT bike?" Moreover, in Virginia one can own a vehicle with a title, but to drive the vehicle on the road it must be registered. So, if I was buying a high-dollar motorcycle you would bet that I would seek a title for it. Proof of ownership is established by title, but registration gets the tags with month and year decals to allow legal road use. Maybe the local police would run the VIN through the works for you. Well, lots of verbiage with little fact, sorry. Best of luck, Mike '82 XJ750RJ -----Original Message----- From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX [mailto:dawn.jon@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 8:36 PM To: DC Cycles Subject: titles I have a chance to buy a race bike, but it doesn't have a title. The person who has it now says he bought it from a guy in CA and it was registered there, but he didn't bother to get the title from him when he bought it. It sounds fishy to me, but was wondering if it's possible to re-title this bike in MD. Any way I could get the vin# run before I bought it so I don't get screwed? Just looking for some advice. Jon From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 07:17:55 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA14123 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 07:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <3Y0S17JB>; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 04:17:45 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: titles Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 04:17:39 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > -----Original Message----- > I have a chance to buy a race bike, but it doesn't have a > title. This isn't really a big deal. My race-bike doesn't have a title (though purpose built race vehicles rarely do). It might be hot, it might not... I'd get the VIN numbers, have the police run them - and turn the bad boy in if it's a hot bike. If it's legal - about $100 will get you another title, you just need a bill of sale (I believe). Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 07:21:31 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA14202 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 07:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <381M2938>; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 04:21:26 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Sunday at RFK stadium Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 04:21:21 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I have nothing against the videos of DMX.. never seen the Star Boys... but why do I think that a stadium lot full of sportbikers who are there to do wheelies, burnouts and stoppies would be a BAD place to just 'sit and watch for a few laughs'? Sorry, I read things like this and think that I'd probably get to know the DCSportbike group pretty well if I showed up.... or I'd end up scraping all the morons off the pavement. I wonder if the local emergency services have scheduled for the chaos that'll occur. Ugh, for those of you brave enough to go... take a camera. I think I'll hide for the next few days. Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX [mailto:CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 8:54 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Sunday at RFK stadium > > > Ok heres the deal. I just bought my new 99 750 on tuesday and > while at the > dealership, the guy gave me a flier. Turns out on sunday from > 1-7pm Double > Platinum Productions will be filming a new sportbike video. They are > inviting anyone with a sportbike to attend. Also, the Star > Boys from OH, and > the Ruff Ryders from NY will be there. Im sure its gonna be a > handfull. > If anyone is interested in going, I am leaving from Towson MD > around noon > (have to show up to work for atleast an hour). > If you want to check out the details, the web address on the > flier is > WWW.DP2000.COM > > Sean... > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 08:37:20 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA15377 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 08:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FEY00J5PR16F3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:36:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta01.mcit.com (omzmta01.mcit.com [166.37.194.119]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA29693; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:35:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta01.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990716123641.YDDF19297@toddnt>; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:36:41 +0000 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 08:34:43 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Man, sometimes you just half to laugh.... In-reply-to: <2e3f1c53.24c025e7@aol.com> To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000101becf87$94eff140$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal I think Sean fat-fingered the keyboard and meant to type 'chicken stripes'. This is a term to describe the unused outer edges of ones tires, usually the rear. The wider 'stripe' can sometimes indicate a lack of interesting riding (never leans), cruising boulevards and highways, or just a brand new tire whose tread hasn't been fully explored yet. Wide chicken stripes on sportbikes is just a crying shame, and in some cases quite amusing. ;) Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX [mailto:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, July 16, 1999 2:07 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Man, sometimes you just half to laugh.... > > > I think i can guess...but what are chicken strips? anything to do > with BBQ > sauce? ;D > marcy > > In a message dated 7/16/99 1:45:06 AM, Eternity23@XXXXXX writes: > > < Mississippi! >> > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 09:10:45 1999 Return-Path: NickKaiho@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16348 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:10:44 -0400 (EDT) From: NickKaiho@XXXXXX Received: from NickKaiho@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2UZAa06608 (7990) for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4d0b5756.24c0892a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:10:02 EDT Subject: ducati mechanic? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Anyone know of any ducati mechanics in the tysons corner area? Colemon Powersports neglected to tell me that i'd have to go all the way to Woodbridge everytime I need my bike looked at.. grrrrrr! -Nick From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 09:27:44 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16710 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA21095 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA12420 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA19370 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:27:26 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990716092603.01a9a9b0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:27:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Maxim pic found Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The bike is an 83 Maxim 550. Thanks for all of the links and information. I didn't know it was a Maxim when I originally posted, so I was on the search engines with "Yamaha 550" and the like. (with no luck) Thanks again. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 09:30:41 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16794 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:30:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA21136 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:30:38 -0400 (EDT) From: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA12528 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from OsbornKev@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id vKBKa29988 (527); Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:30:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <360560a3.24c08de7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:30:15 EDT Subject: Re: Sunday at RFK stadium To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: balt-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 18 Sounds like it could be a good time. Count me in on Sunday. I live in Bowie, so may we can set up a meeting spot for Marylanders in Greenbelt and head on down. If we can get a count I pick an official meeting place. - KO From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 10:43:24 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA17920 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:42:26 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:42:23 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:41:08 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: Eternity23@XXXXXX, MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Subject: Two Brothers' Naked Hayabusa....cool! -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Holy crap! Nasty (and I mean that in a good way) Joe From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 11:04:38 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18272 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:04:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2HTVa08414 (4320) for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <27598966.24c0a3c7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:03:35 EDT Subject: Fwd: titles To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_27598966.24c0a3c7_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 --part1_27598966.24c0a3c7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_27598966.24c0a3c7_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: Boiade@XXXXXX From: Boiade@XXXXXX Full-name: Boia de Message-ID: <27598966.24c0a392@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:02:42 EDT Subject: Re: titles To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 My racebike doesn't have a title either, it hardly has a VIN, just a few numbers on a race-only frame. Ciao, Fred --part1_27598966.24c0a3c7_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 11:05:30 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18351 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA21826 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:05:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA15019 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id vWWBa06209 (4320); Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:04:53 EDT Subject: Re: Sunday at RFK stadium To: OsbornKev@XXXXXX, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: balt-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 In a message dated 7/16/99 9:35:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, OsbornKev@XXXXXX writes: << Count me in on Sunday. I live in Bowie, so may we can set up a meeting spot for Marylanders in Greenbelt and head on down. If we can get a count I pick an official meeting place. >> How about Borders in Bowie on rte 50 at noon? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 11:06:56 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18370 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <3Y0S10LK>; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 08:06:47 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: *Caution* Falling Objects.. Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 08:06:40 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) So.. Jeannette.... Going to start taking an umbrella with you on the bike? *chuckle* From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 11:56:28 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f93.hotmail.com [209.185.131.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA19085 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 38921 invoked by uid 0); 16 Jul 1999 15:55:54 -0000 Message-ID: <19990716155554.38920.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.229.31.22 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 08:55:54 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.229.31.22] Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX From: "Leon Begeman" To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Man, sometimes you just half to laugh.... Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 08:55:54 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I got a chance to look at the tires on my ZX6 last night. When I let Collin use it last weekend, it had what Craig Johnston called the most squared off front tire he had ever seen. I'm now pleased to report that the tires look like they've been subjected to a 'three-angle' shaving. They have a wide flat spot in the middle and two slightly narrower flat spots on either side. No wonder you guys buy tires all the time. Leon - with significantly narrower chicken stripes. >From: Todd Peer >To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Man, sometimes you just half to laugh.... >Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 08:34:43 -0400 > >I think Sean fat-fingered the keyboard and meant to type 'chicken stripes'. >This is a term to describe the unused outer edges of ones tires, usually >the >rear. The wider 'stripe' can sometimes indicate a lack of interesting >riding (never leans), cruising boulevards and highways, or just a brand new >tire whose tread hasn't been fully explored yet. > >Wide chicken stripes on sportbikes is just a crying shame, and in some >cases >quite amusing. > >;) > >Todd > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX [mailto:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, July 16, 1999 2:07 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Man, sometimes you just half to laugh.... > > > > > > I think i can guess...but what are chicken strips? anything to do > > with BBQ > > sauce? ;D > > marcy > > > > In a message dated 7/16/99 1:45:06 AM, Eternity23@XXXXXX writes: > > > > < > Mississippi! >> > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 12:32:13 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19790 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (216-164-229-226.s480.tnt8.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.229.226]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA01991; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 99 12:27:49 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: Re: This weekend To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, Kirt Senser Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 Looks like Nick of the 748 and I are meeting at 11:30 Sat. at the Starbucks in downtown Mclean, for anyone interested in joining us. This is just beside the intersection of chainbridge and old dominion. Head into RFK from there. greg --- On Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:24:01 -0400 Kirt Senser wrote: >I'd like to go too... If anyone has any ideas for places we can meet up, >let me know. I think this should be fairly "interesting" hehe... > >Kirt >1996 CBR 600F3 SJR >Annandale, Va > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: Greg Sachs >Cc: >Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 5:14 PM >Subject: Re: This weekend > > >> I'd be interested in seeing that. Should be good for a few laughs. I live >> in Manassas, but can meet up with others elsewhere in No. Va. >> >> Chris Weaver >> '98 VTR 1000 >> >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> cc: >> From: Greg Sachs >> Date: 07/15/99 08:47:14 PM GMT >> Subject: This weekend >> >> >> >> >> Is officially Squid dayz. Ruff Ryders(rap group for the older folks) are >> looking for sportbike riders to go to RFK for a video shoot and do >> burnouts, wheelies, and stoppies. I think I might go just to check out >> the hardware-might be some interesting things showing up. Sat 12-6, Sun >> 1-7. RFK parking lot. Free food, drinks, T-shirts. Don't think I'll >> participate, but should be fun to watch-I'm betting at least one looped >> bike. Anyone want to ride in from Mclean area? >> Greg >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer >> ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX >> 7/15/99 HSTA/AMA 4:47:14 PM >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >> taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >> entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you >received >> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >> computer. >> >> > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/16/99 HSTA/AMA 12:27:49 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 12:46:01 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA20047 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA22585 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA17978 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA19760 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:45:45 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990716124454.01bf3f10@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:45:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Wes's last words Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Wes finally had his court date. He is the one that got run over by an older lady at Rolling Thunder. >Anyway, great news. Today was the old lady's court date. It was >originally in June, but one of her grandchildren was graduating from high >school in Minnesota or something so she got it continued. > >I got to the courthouse a little early, and about 10 minutes later 2 old >ladies (one more so) came & sat down next to me. I was pretty sure one of >them had to be the one that ran me down. I was right. I just listened to >them talk, recipes and stuff. The one that hit me has to walk with a cane >(hey -- just like me!) and reminds me very much of my grandmothers. Except >my grandma didn't hit me with a car. I was reading a motorcycle magazine >when they sat down (Rider), examining an article comparing the BMW R1100GS >to the new Triumph Tiger. I'm having a hard time deciding which one I'll get. > >Sat through most of the docket -- the cop on my case was next-to-last on >the list, so it took over an hour to even get to him. The judge, a >40-something woman, was hilarious. She kept the courtroom laughing in >between cases. She did have several humorless moments, such as when she >was lecturing a 20 year old kid about trying to evade a police car. Now >this was an interesting case. Guy on a moped, not wearing a helmet, with a >rag sticking out of the gas tank. Hmmm...cop hits the lights, guy on moped >tries to escape at 23 mph. Through a library parking lot. Cop finally had >to cut him off, at which time he wrecked the moped. Which he stole. The >judge got on him hard about not wearing a helmet, so I knew my old lady was >gonna get it. > >By the way, if you ever get a ticket and have to go to court, my advice >would be to do it. There were three cases that involved having an expired >inspection sticker. One guy got his car inspected 5 days after the ticket, >fine suspended. Another guy got his car inspected about 2 weeks ago (and >registered), $25 fine. The last guy didn't bother to show up, $250 fine. Hmm. > >Anyway, the old woman pled guilty, as I knew she would. I went because I >really needed to hear her say it and explain what she thought happened. >The cop on my case told the judge his report -- defendant failed to yield >the right of way, resulting in her hitting a motorcycle, which resulted in >a serious injury to the rider and significant damage to the bike (he said >he thought it was totalled and he wasn't far from right). > >So the judge asks her what she has to say. She was going to her doctor >appointment, the sun got in her eyes and she didn't see me. She said, and >I quote, "I looked toward the curve and I didn't see him." Well, that >would be because I wasn't in the curve, I was 50 feet away from her in a >straightaway. > >The judge pronounced her guilty and levied a $75 fine, which is $40 more >than the run-of-the-mill Failure to Yield fine. She'll get a -4 point >thing on her license which drops her to +1. Plus she can't get any >plus-points for 3 years. > >I don't know if she's still driving. She had someone (another old lady) >drive her to court. Maybe next time she has a dr. appointment, she'll do >the same. > >Emotionally, I feel much better having heard her lame-ass story. Even >though she made excuses about not seeing me, the judge was not very >sympathetic. The judge said, "These kinds of things we NEED to see so >people can stay healthy." I feel pretty well vindicated. I'm still a >little bitter about getting run over, but hell, I wanted to get a new >motorcycle anyway. > >Well, not really, but ... :) > >(no change on the PT front) > >--wes ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 13:10:12 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20455 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud77i (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id NAA21054; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <02a701becfad$67a4d4a0$7901a8c0@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt Senser" To: "Greg Sachs" , Cc: , References: Subject: Re: This weekend Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:05:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Could you give me approximate directions. I'd really like to check this out. Does anybody want to go on Sunday too? Kirt 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va > Looks like Nick of the 748 and I are meeting at 11:30 Sat. at the > Starbucks in downtown Mclean, for anyone interested in joining us. This > is just beside the intersection of chainbridge and old dominion. Head > into RFK from there. > greg > --- On Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:24:01 -0400 Kirt Senser > wrote: > > >I'd like to go too... If anyone has any ideas for places we can meet > up, > >let me know. I think this should be fairly "interesting" hehe... > > > >Kirt > >1996 CBR 600F3 SJR > >Annandale, Va > > > > > > > > > >> I'd be interested in seeing that. Should be good for a few laughs. I > live > >> in Manassas, but can meet up with others elsewhere in No. Va. > >> > >> Chris Weaver > >> '98 VTR 1000 > >> > >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >> cc: > >> From: Greg Sachs > >> Date: 07/15/99 08:47:14 PM GMT > >> Subject: This weekend > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Is officially Squid dayz. Ruff Ryders(rap group for the older folks) are > >> looking for sportbike riders to go to RFK for a video shoot and do > >> burnouts, wheelies, and stoppies. I think I might go just to check out > >> the hardware-might be some interesting things showing up. Sat 12-6, Sun > >> 1-7. RFK parking lot. Free food, drinks, T-shirts. Don't think I'll > >> participate, but should be fun to watch-I'm betting at least one looped > >> bike. Anyone want to ride in from Mclean area? > >> Greg > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > >> > >> Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer > >> ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX > >> 7/15/99 HSTA/AMA 4:47:14 PM > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > >> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > >> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > >> taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > >> entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > >received > >> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > >> computer. > >> > >> > > > > > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer > ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX > 7/16/99 HSTA/AMA 12:27:49 PM > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 14:01:00 1999 Return-Path: rmartin@XXXXXX Received: from pendragon.ct.rr.com (pendragon.ct.rr.com [204.189.87.90]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA21319 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bubba.roadrunner ([24.30.215.64]) by pendragon.ct.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 0-53939U80000L80000S0V35) with SMTP id com; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:01:20 -0400 Message-ID: <003201becfb5$ac86d3e0$b20415ac@bubba.roadrunner> From: rmartin@XXXXXX (Martin, Richard) To: , "Greg Sachs" , Cc: , Subject: Re: [cbr] Re: This weekend Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:04:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Let me know. I live in Manassas. I'd love to go. Rick Martin Laboratory Engineer Road Runner 13241 Woodland Park Rd. Herndon, VA 20171 (703) 345-3499 Fax: (703) 345-3556 -----Original Message----- From: Kirt Senser To: Greg Sachs ; christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ; cbr@XXXXXX Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 1:11 PM Subject: [cbr] Re: This weekend >Could you give me approximate directions. I'd really like to check this >out. Does anybody want to go on Sunday too? > >Kirt >1996 CBR 600F3 SJR >Annandale, Va > > > > >> Looks like Nick of the 748 and I are meeting at 11:30 Sat. at the >> Starbucks in downtown Mclean, for anyone interested in joining us. This >> is just beside the intersection of chainbridge and old dominion. Head >> into RFK from there. >> greg >> --- On Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:24:01 -0400 Kirt Senser >> wrote: >> >> >I'd like to go too... If anyone has any ideas for places we can meet >> up, >> >let me know. I think this should be fairly "interesting" hehe... >> > >> >Kirt >> >1996 CBR 600F3 SJR >> >Annandale, Va >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> I'd be interested in seeing that. Should be good for a few laughs. I >> live >> >> in Manassas, but can meet up with others elsewhere in No. Va. >> >> >> >> Chris Weaver >> >> '98 VTR 1000 >> >> >> >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> >> cc: >> >> From: Greg Sachs >> >> Date: 07/15/99 08:47:14 PM GMT >> >> Subject: This weekend >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Is officially Squid dayz. Ruff Ryders(rap group for the older folks) >are >> >> looking for sportbike riders to go to RFK for a video shoot and do >> >> burnouts, wheelies, and stoppies. I think I might go just to check out >> >> the hardware-might be some interesting things showing up. Sat 12-6, >Sun >> >> 1-7. RFK parking lot. Free food, drinks, T-shirts. Don't think I'll >> >> participate, but should be fun to watch-I'm betting at least one looped >> >> bike. Anyone want to ride in from Mclean area? >> >> Greg >> >> >> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - >- >> >> >> >> Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer >> >> ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX >> >> 7/15/99 HSTA/AMA 4:47:14 PM >> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - >- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity >to >> >> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >> >> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, >or >> >> taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >> >> entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you >> >received >> >> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from >any >> >> computer. >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> -----------------End of Original Message----------------- >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >> Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer >> ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX >> 7/16/99 HSTA/AMA 12:27:49 PM >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >> >> > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 14:18:04 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA21625 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:16:55 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:16:52 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:14:52 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ges6@XXXXXX Subject: This weekend -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Could someone send me that link for the RFK/Squid deal? thanks Joe From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 14:54:39 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA22320 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:54:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud77i (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id OAA10586; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <030501becfbc$0944d5e0$7901a8c0@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt Senser" To: "Martin, Richard" Cc: , References: <005501becfb9$0bfecd20$b20415ac@bubba.roadrunner> Subject: Re: [cbr] Re: This weekend Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:50:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Does anyone have a camcorder and/or Video Capture card??? I'd really like to get some footage of the Star Boyz (and everyone else, and hopefully me!!!) to put up on my website. Kirt 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin, Richard To: Kirt Senser Sent: Friday, July 16, 1999 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [cbr] Re: This weekend > Saturday might work > > I can let you know for sure later tonight > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirt Senser > To: Martin, Richard > Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 2:23 PM > Subject: Re: [cbr] Re: This weekend > > > >Which day did you want to go? I'm seriously thinking about going both days > >if Saturday is fun. Let me know ASAP... > > > >Kirt > >1996 CBR 600F3 SJR > >Annandale, Va > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Martin, Richard > >To: ; Greg Sachs ; > > > >Cc: ; > >Sent: Friday, July 16, 1999 2:04 PM > >Subject: Re: [cbr] Re: This weekend > > > > > >> Let me know. I live in Manassas. I'd love to go. > >> > >> Rick Martin > >> Laboratory Engineer > >> > >> Road Runner > >> 13241 Woodland Park Rd. > >> Herndon, VA 20171 > >> (703) 345-3499 > >> Fax: (703) 345-3556 > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Kirt Senser > >> To: Greg Sachs ; christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > >> > >> Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ; cbr@XXXXXX > >> > >> Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 1:11 PM > >> Subject: [cbr] Re: This weekend > >> > >> > >> >Could you give me approximate directions. I'd really like to check this > >> >out. Does anybody want to go on Sunday too? > >> > > >> >Kirt > >> >1996 CBR 600F3 SJR > >> >Annandale, Va > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> Looks like Nick of the 748 and I are meeting at 11:30 Sat. at the > >> >> Starbucks in downtown Mclean, for anyone interested in joining us. > >This > >> >> is just beside the intersection of chainbridge and old dominion. Head > >> >> into RFK from there. > >> >> greg > >> >> --- On Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:24:01 -0400 Kirt Senser > > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >I'd like to go too... If anyone has any ideas for places we can meet > >> >> up, > >> >> >let me know. I think this should be fairly "interesting" hehe... > >> >> > > >> >> >Kirt > >> >> >1996 CBR 600F3 SJR > >> >> >Annandale, Va > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> I'd be interested in seeing that. Should be good for a few laughs. > I > >> >> live > >> >> >> in Manassas, but can meet up with others elsewhere in No. Va. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Chris Weaver > >> >> >> '98 VTR 1000 > >> >> >> > >> >> >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >> >> >> cc: > >> >> >> From: Greg Sachs > >> >> >> Date: 07/15/99 08:47:14 PM GMT > >> >> >> Subject: This weekend > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Is officially Squid dayz. Ruff Ryders(rap group for the older > >folks) > >> >are > >> >> >> looking for sportbike riders to go to RFK for a video shoot and do > >> >> >> burnouts, wheelies, and stoppies. I think I might go just to check > >> out > >> >> >> the hardware-might be some interesting things showing up. Sat > 12-6, > >> >Sun > >> >> >> 1-7. RFK parking lot. Free food, drinks, T-shirts. Don't think > >I'll > >> >> >> participate, but should be fun to watch-I'm betting at least one > >> looped > >> >> >> bike. Anyone want to ride in from Mclean area? > >> >> >> Greg > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > >> - > >> >- > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer > >> >> >> ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX > >> >> >> 7/15/99 HSTA/AMA 4:47:14 PM > >> >> > >> > >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > >> - > >> >- > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or > >entity > >> >to > >> >> >> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or > privileged > >> >> >> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use > >of, > >> >or > >> >> >> taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons > >or > >> >> >> entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > >> >> >received > >> >> >> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material > >from > >> >any > >> >> >> computer. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> -----------------End of Original Message----------------- > >> >> > >> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > - > >> - > >> >> Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer > >> >> ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX > >> >> 7/16/99 HSTA/AMA 12:27:49 PM > >> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > - > >> - > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 16:00:47 1999 Return-Path: djones@XXXXXX Received: from inetmail3.bigyellow.com ([167.241.105.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA23567 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:00:46 -0400 (EDT) From: djones@XXXXXX Received: from inetmail2.bigyellow.com ([167.241.105.101]) by inetmail3.bigyellow.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2607.0) id N906FLCB; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:00:43 -0400 Received: from Lynsmtp1.bigyellow.com (LYNSMTP1 [167.241.105.221]) by inetmail2.bigyellow.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id N9N82J3H; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:00:44 -0400 Received: by Lynsmtp1.bigyellow.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852567B0.006DEC49 ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:00:39 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: NIRC To: thunderacelist@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567B0.006D7CEA.00@Lynsmtp1.bigyellow.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 15:59:38 -0400 Subject: Helmet Music & CD Player Hey Guys, I need to know what the best head-set/cd player is out there. I went on a 500 mile trip last week & some nice music on this trip would've been very cool indeed. Thanks, DJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 16:37:30 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24205 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA20311 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:37:26 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990716161807.01be5860@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:37:00 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Helmet Music & CD Player In-Reply-To: <852567B0.006D7CEA.00@Lynsmtp1.bigyellow.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:59 PM 7/16/99 , djones@XXXXXX wrote: >Hey Guys, > >I need to know what the best head-set/cd player is out there. I went on a >500 mile trip last week & some nice music on this trip would've been very >cool indeed. Someone tell me a good set of speakers to insert into the helmet! I tried in-ear headphones, but they fall out...tried in-ear with ear-clips, they hurt going on and off. I guess I should shell out the money for a good communicator with a line-in jack.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org As far as I can tell, I am immortal until proven wrong. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 16:48:47 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24398 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (209-122-216-180.s180.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.216.180]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA10418; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 99 16:14:52 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: Re: This weekend (directions To: Kirt Senser , Grant Heffernan , rmartin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 Sure. In no particular order, from Reston/Herndon, jump on the dulles access road East to 123 East(or North, into Mclean) Take this to Old dominion, and go right on Old dom. Take old dominion to Chain bridge, go right on chain bridge and pass the bank and 7-11. The starbucks is on your right next to the 7-11. (200ft from intersection) >From Annendale, head up 495 to 123 East/North(to Mclean) and follow the directions above. >From Manassas, Take 66 East to 495, take 495 North and follow above directions. We'll head in about 11:45 I'd figure. so try and be there 11:30 greg --- On Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:05:28 -0400 Kirt Senser wrote: >Could you give me approximate directions. I'd really like to check this >out. Does anybody want to go on Sunday too? > >Kirt >1996 CBR 600F3 SJR >Annandale, Va > > > > >> Looks like Nick of the 748 and I are meeting at 11:30 Sat. at the >> Starbucks in downtown Mclean, for anyone interested in joining us. This >> is just beside the intersection of chainbridge and old dominion. Head >> into RFK from there. >> greg >> --- On Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:24:01 -0400 Kirt Senser >> wrote: >> >> >I'd like to go too... If anyone has any ideas for places we can meet >> up, >> >let me know. I think this should be fairly "interesting" hehe... >> > >> >Kirt >> >1996 CBR 600F3 SJR >> >Annandale, Va >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> I'd be interested in seeing that. Should be good for a few laughs. I >> live >> >> in Manassas, but can meet up with others elsewhere in No. Va. >> >> >> >> Chris Weaver >> >> '98 VTR 1000 >> >> >> >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> >> cc: >> >> From: Greg Sachs >> >> Date: 07/15/99 08:47:14 PM GMT >> >> Subject: This weekend >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Is officially Squid dayz. Ruff Ryders(rap group for the older folks) >are >> >> looking for sportbike riders to go to RFK for a video shoot and do >> >> burnouts, wheelies, and stoppies. I think I might go just to check out >> >> the hardware-might be some interesting things showing up. Sat 12-6, >Sun >> >> 1-7. RFK parking lot. Free food, drinks, T-shirts. Don't think I'll >> >> participate, but should be fun to watch-I'm betting at least one looped >> >> bike. Anyone want to ride in from Mclean area? >> >> Greg >> >> >> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- >> >> >> >> Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer >> >> ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX >> >> 7/15/99 HSTA/AMA 4:47:14 PM >> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity >to >> >> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >> >> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, >or >> >> taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >> >> entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you >> >received >> >> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from >any >> >> computer. >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> -----------------End of Original Message----------------- >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer >> ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX >> 7/16/99 HSTA/AMA 12:27:49 PM >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/16/99 HSTA/AMA 4:14:52 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 17:11:46 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web302.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.184]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA24746 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 17:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990716211139.7402.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.70.70.54] by web302.yahoomail.com; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 17:11:39 EDT Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 17:11:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Sounds like discrimination to me... To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My auto insurance policy is up for renewal soon, and I received something in the mail today from AIG (Auto Insurance Program) about how they have competetive rates. I figured, what the heck, might as well give them a try. After I gave the the info on my car, I mentioned I had a motorcycle and wanted to see if they provide insurance for the bike. Not only will they not provide insurance for the motorcycle, but because I ride a motorcycle, they won't even give me insurance for my car!!! When I asked why, she just kept repeating that it is their policy not to provide insurance (auto or otherwise) to drivers who ride motorcycles. Talk about your black list!! Think this might be something the AMA would be interested in knowing? Louis Caplan Motorcycle rider, and Damn proud of it! === Louis Caplan Alexandria, VA 1998 Kawasaki Concours 11th place, Capitol 1000 "Mean Green Scream Machine" Proud Sponsor of Joe Denton http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 18:08:52 1999 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@[207.124.52.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA25707 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:08:47 -0400 (EDT) From: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from jnewman ([192.168.13.162]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA04861 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 17:11:25 -0400 Message-Id: <199907162111.RAA04861@bmdo.mcri.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:04:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Switch Me to Digest Version Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Dear Person, Please Switch Me to the Digest Version. Thanks From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 18:41:55 1999 Return-Path: RNCMARTIN@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26225 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (216-164-242-19.s273.tnt10.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.242.19]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id SAA09323; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <378FB5C3.1662@erols.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:44:19 -0400 From: Rick & Cheryl Martin Reply-To: RNCMARTIN@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KC032698 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Sachs CC: Kirt Senser , Grant Heffernan , rmartin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: This weekend (directions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How long are you guys going to hang out before leaving???? I'd like to meet you guys even though I can't go in to town with you. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 18:50:41 1999 Return-Path: harris@XXXXXX Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26457 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (pm7h-30.his.com [209.67.210.30]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA15746 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990716184703.008f0320@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:47:03 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: av gas In-Reply-To: <1312e17b.24be8ebf@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:09 PM 7/14/99 EDT, NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: >Also, I suppose your race engines were disassembled and cleaned >redularly? You clearly don't know Team Charm (two time winner of MARRC's Ugliest bike award) very well...:-) We had one FZR600 engine that did a 24 hour race in '93, the following two seasons of sprint racing & sporadic endurance events, all without the head coming off. Leakdown never dropped below 5%. Eventually I traded the engine to Chris Eklund for a bunch of EX500 parts & started racing those. That particular engine had about 200 or so hours on it. No lead fouling problems. Of the engines we've torn down (usually only when they broke) we also have never found any lead fouling problems. I raced a couple of seasons using 100LL in my two stroke 250, again, no problems. It is true that a racing engine gets run harder than a street engine, but I'm can state with 100% confidence, AvGas never hurt my engines & has save me a lot of $. Rich used the powermist stuff because it made more power on the dyno. My bike did not. Back in the early 90's we tried buying tetra-ethyl lead & mixing the fuel our selves for a while. Then the EPA stopped letting us buy it. One other data point to consider; my lawn mower (bought used, won't start) has run almost exclusively on left over fuel from my various race bikes. I have a 1/2 acre. I've changed the oil on it twice since '92. I've never changed the plug. I would imagine if it would have lead fouled it would have done so by now. But like I said before, none of this really matters if your engine does not need the extra knock resistance. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 19:02:01 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (root@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA26657; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 19:01:58 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA00969; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:58:45 -0400 To: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Unsub for some time Message-ID: <19990716185844.A965@kleks.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i Harry, thanks fro all your efforts - dc-cycles is a great place to be. Could you please unsubscribe me for some time - I am leaving for vacations, so no need for wear and tear on electrons... Most likely I am subbed as zbig@XXXXXX or as zbig@XXXXXX - look for zbig, it is unique enough... dc-cyclers - keep on riding; I am going for a few weeks of vacations and training one after another; I should be back around mid-August. Keep rubber down.. _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 19:25:35 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1101.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA27065 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 19:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990716232441.2018.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [152.204.251.190] by web1101.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 19:24:41 EDT Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 19:24:41 -0400 (EDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sounds like discrimination to me... To: "Louis F. Caplan" , DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > Not only will they not provide insurance for the > motorcycle, but because I ride > a motorcycle, they won't even give me insurance for > my car!!! When I asked > why, she just kept repeating that it is their policy > not to provide insurance > (auto or otherwise) to drivers who ride motorcycles. > Talk about your black > list!! > > Think this might be something the AMA would be > interested in knowing? YES. You should definitely get in touch with them. What a stupid policy. It's funny, I used to have auto insurance through them, a policy I got before owning a bike (thus never asked about the bike & got blackballed like you). I wish I still did so I could cancel it. Or make them cancel it by confessing my 2-wheeled ways. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 22:39:36 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00316 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:39:34 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 7DFVa21802 (367); Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9d697278.24c146a4@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:38:28 EDT Subject: Re: Helmet Music & CD Player To: djones@XXXXXX, thunderacelist@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 In a message dated 7/16/1999 4:10:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, djones@XXXXXX writes: << Hey Guys, I need to know what the best head-set/cd player is out there. I went on a 500 mile trip last week & some nice music on this trip would've been very cool indeed. Thanks, DJ >> Can't recommend a CD player but, I have one of those Sony Sport Walkman radios that works pretty well. It's digital and curved and is supposed to strap around your upper arm. I strap mine around my upper leg so that I can reach it while I ride. I mainly use it when I ride home to Pennsylvania. With the five pre-sets, I have a station set for the entire route. I also bought a set of those ear-buds that go in your ear. They have a piece that comes up over the top of your ear and holds them in place when you put your helmet on. If you want to check it out, here's the url for their site: http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/ss5/portable/walkmanrtmstereos/sportswalk manrtmradio-only/srf-m78.shtml It actually picks up pretty good for a walkman on a motorcycle. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 22:43:10 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00394 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:43:08 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id rFBLa19817 (367); Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:40:00 EDT Subject: Re: Sounds like discrimination to me... To: nighthawk700@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 In a message dated 7/16/1999 5:17:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nighthawk700@XXXXXX writes: << Think this might be something the AMA would be interested in knowing? Louis Caplan Motorcycle rider, and Damn proud of it! >> I would think so. They'll run'em outta business for that. Sic'em AMA. Grrrrrrrrr. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 23:34:35 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA01308 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 23:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.136]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 23:24:16 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Louis F. Caplan" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 23:26:01 -0400 Message-ID: <001501bed004$1846eae0$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990716211139.7402.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Definitely. One of the current big initiatives of the AMA is to get the right gov't body to get off of their collective duffs, and write the rules that match part of the 1996 bill (HIPAA??) that should curtail this sort of BS. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > Think this might be something the AMA would be interested in knowing? From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 23:38:27 1999 Return-Path: MOTO748@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA01387 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 23:38:26 -0400 (EDT) From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Received: from MOTO748@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2ZYIa21098 (8013) for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 23:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <768599c.24c1547a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 23:37:30 EDT Subject: Ducati Mechanic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Rick, Saw your inquiry regarding ducati service. Don't waste your time with Coleman's. Batley Cycles is up in Gaithersburg and I have no problem reccomending them. Not to plug any sponsors but......Moto Europa in Richmond has a fantastic Ducati mechanic by the name of Chris and he works wonders on four valvers. Take it from a guy who knows, if you find a dealer/mechanic you like and trust you'll be happy to drive hours to get your bike serviced there. I've got both Ducs there now or I'd be joining you this weekend. Have fun and think of me once when you twist the throttle. jeff Moto Europa (804)355-0550 From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 17 01:42:44 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA03313 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 01:42:43 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2FJIa21756 (14441) for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 01:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 01:41:38 EDT Subject: Re: Sounds like discrimination to me... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 is that even legal??? just so you know - I worked for a division of AIG for a time and that company is one of the biggest ins. co in the world... corporate culture was VERY stuffy... Marcy In a message dated 7/16/99 5:17:49 PM, nighthawk700@XXXXXX writes: >Not only will they not provide insurance for the motorcycle, but because >I ride >a motorcycle, they won't even give me insurance for my car!!! From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 17 01:45:36 1999 Return-Path: kamuelle@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA03402 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 01:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ewiley (209-122-216-223.s223.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.216.223]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA04635 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 01:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990717014527.00919d00@mail.vt.edu> X-Sender: kamuelle@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 01:45:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: karl Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... In-Reply-To: <001501bed004$1846eae0$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> References: <19990716211139.7402.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Well, rather than get the government involved, let your money do the talking. All you need to tell them is "thank you for having that silly policy, I will take my business to a company who thinks that I am responsible enough to ride safely, and I will tell all my friends to do the same." I mean, when I was 16, I paid more than twice what I did when I turned 18, then I will pay 1/2 that when I turn 25. It's simple buisness sense, they are less likely to insure groups that statistically have (or cause) more accidents. And many of our 2 wheeled brethern don't share the same concern for safety that we do (*cough*squids). So yes, if you're going to complain about discrimination against motorcyclists, just remember how much teens pay for insurance. Cheers! Karl p.s. for those of you who have USAA, you know that it is _cheaper_ to insure a motorcycle than a car, and you realize that i was BS'ing a bit about my rates :) At 11:26 PM 7/16/99 -0400, you wrote: >Definitely. > >One of the current big initiatives of the AMA is to get the right gov't body >to get off of their collective duffs, and write the rules that match part of >the 1996 bill (HIPAA??) that should curtail this sort of BS. > >---------------------------------------- >-George Howell >ghowell@XXXXXX >ghowell@XXXXXX >georgehowell@XXXXXX >"I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > >> Think this might be something the AMA would be interested in knowing? > > From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 17 03:25:45 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA05742 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 03:25:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (209-122-239-82.s336.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.239.82]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA22360; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 03:25:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kirt Senser" To: , Subject: Where are we meeting again??? Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 03:23:53 -0000 Message-ID: <01bed003$cbcad6e0$52ef7ad1@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0136_01BED003.CBCAD6E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0136_01BED003.CBCAD6E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Long night...accidently deleted message with directions to McLean = Starbucks... Please refresh my memory. Kirt (excited to see some wheelies and stuff tomorrow) 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va ------=_NextPart_000_0136_01BED003.CBCAD6E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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1996 CBR 600F3 SJR
Annandale, = Va
------=_NextPart_000_0136_01BED003.CBCAD6E0-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 17 12:26:59 1999 Return-Path: blasalle@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA18246 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 12:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bellatlantic.net (client-151-200-119-80.bellatlantic.net [151.200.119.80]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA12687 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 12:25:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3790ADC5.1267D6BB@bellatlantic.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 12:22:29 -0400 From: Brian & Christa LaSalle Reply-To: blasalle@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Sunday's running of the squids Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Count me in for Sunday also...See you at Borders @ Noon. Brian Yellow Nighthawk << Count me in on Sunday. I live in Bowie, so may we can set up a meeting spot for Marylanders in Greenbelt and head on down. If we can get a count I pick an official meeting place. >> How about Borders in Bowie on rte 50 at noon? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 17 12:49:22 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA18626 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 12:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA28470 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 12:49:19 -0400 (EDT) From: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA20128 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 12:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from OsbornKev@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id jAHHa13547 (3959); Sat, 17 Jul 1999 12:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 12:48:59 EDT Subject: Re: Sunday at RFK stadium To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, Boiade@XXXXXX, blasalle@XXXXXX, f4rider@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 24 Looks like we have confirmed 5 for Sunday's ride to RFK. Fred, Brian, Brad, Sean and myself plus anyone else who may respond today or just show up. It looks like the majority live in PG County so, per Fred's suggestion, lets meet at Borders in Bowie. Fred, can you provide directions? Sean is coming from Baltimore. Also, since a couple of guys can't make it at noon lets meet at 1:00. That still should give us a good day. Gotta go clean up the bike a little. - Kevin From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 17 14:41:08 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA20322 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 14:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA28780 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 14:41:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA21234 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 14:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id jYXIa06136 (4232); Sat, 17 Jul 1999 14:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6a390b51.24c22819@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 14:40:25 EDT Subject: Re: Sunday at RFK stadium To: OsbornKev@XXXXXX, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, blasalle@XXXXXX, f4rider@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Borders in Bowie is just South of the Route 50/Route 301 interchange, on Route 301 Southbound side. You will see an Exxon Station and if you are coming from the north (on 301) you would turn right at the Exxon. Coming from the south you would turn left at the Exxon. One o'clock is ok by me. Ciao, fred From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 17 15:31:45 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1101.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA21231 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 15:31:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990717193113.8499.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [152.166.78.22] by web1101.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 15:31:13 EDT Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 15:31:13 -0400 (EDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- karl wrote: > And many of our 2 wheeled brethern don't > share the same concern > for safety that we do (*cough*squids). So yes, if > you're going to complain > about discrimination against motorcyclists, just > remember how much teens > pay for insurance. I'm curious if anyone has ever found that motorcyclists have more car accidents. I understand when someone won't insure certain bikes, certain people, or (as I found when I got my first bike) won't insure new riders for bikes over a certain size. But this makes about as much sense of not giving someone homeowner's insurance because they ride. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 17 15:54:54 1999 Return-Path: ursulina@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA21578 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 15:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ursulina (207-172-44-207.s207.tnt3.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.44.207]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA29272 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 15:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <026001bed0a7$7a912140$752caccf@ursulina> From: "Ursulina Viteri" To: Subject: Re: Helmet Music & CD Player Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 15:55:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I've been fine using the "bud" ear phones (that fit in your ear) and a personal tape player* that sits in the tank bag. I run the cord thru my blouse, make sure the cord it held in place by my helmet's chin strap, and slide the ear phones into my helmet so they sit right on top of my ear canal. Works well for me. If your ear phones are sliding out then I'd suspect your helmet is a bit loose. *I've tried using my portable CD player but the constant skipping was madding so I switched to the tape player. - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD -----Original Message----- From: Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 1:57 PM Subject: Re: Helmet Music & CD Player >At 03:59 PM 7/16/99 , djones@XXXXXX wrote: >>Hey Guys, >> >>I need to know what the best head-set/cd player is out there. I went on a >>500 mile trip last week & some nice music on this trip would've been very >>cool indeed. > >Someone tell me a good set of speakers to insert into the helmet! I tried >in-ear headphones, but they fall out...tried in-ear with ear-clips, they >hurt going on and off. > >I guess I should shell out the money for a good communicator with a line-in >jack.... >___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > >As far as I can tell, I am immortal until proven wrong. > From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 17 17:26:40 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA22956 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 17:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (216-164-224-217.s217.tnt6.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.224.217]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA01486 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 17:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 99 17:18:20 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: Sat running of the squids To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 Was a bust-Nick, Grant, Kirt and I got to RFK to be told things were now at Wilber Park, so we took off to there, where they wanted $20 to get in or some bs. Kirt bluffed our way pst, where we found a lot of nothing. DJ got there eventually, and some bikes showed(and a lot left rather than pay the $20), and everyone just sorta sat in the field and talked. Saw a dyno that wasn't getting used at all, and a bunch of eyabusers getting polished(guy rode it, had a truck come along with his race stand so he could polish it, a polished/chromed R1(couldn't figure this out-too clean to be ridden at all, but the tires actually scuffed all the way (and not feathered like race tires-sand paper is my guess.) We left after an hour-hour and a half, and headed back in to Georgetown for food. Largely a bust, but amusing. did actually see a flyer, and the squids should be at RFK on Sunday-it said beginning at 1, I think. Website is still not working. Greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/17/99 HSTA/AMA 5:18:20 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 17 17:57:59 1999 Return-Path: granth@XXXXXX Received: from fedsco.sco.com (fedsco.sco.COM [132.147.168.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA23489 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 17:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (granth@localhost) by fedsco.sco.com (8.8.7/UW7.1.0) with SMTP id RAA18910; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 17:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 17:50:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Grant Heffernan To: Greg Sachs cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sat running of the squids In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Greg left out the best part... whilst negotiating city traffic, I managed to stall the bike almost in the middle of an intersection while turning, the end result being me and the bike on the ground. I have to say, if you're gonna dump a bike the SV is the way to go. Not onlyw was it really easy to pick up, the ONLY damage was a busted right mirror ($50 OEM). I still can't believe that's the only damage... gotta love no plastic. ********************************* Grant Heffernan SCO Field Systems Engineer 2100 Reston Pkwy, Suite 102 Reston, VA 20191 (703) 715-8721 On Sat, 17 Jul 1999, Greg Sachs wrote: > Was a bust-Nick, Grant, Kirt and I got to RFK to be told things were now > at Wilber Park, so we took off to there, where they wanted $20 to get in > or some bs. Kirt bluffed our way pst, where we found a lot of nothing. > DJ got there eventually, and some bikes showed(and a lot left rather than > pay the $20), and everyone just sorta sat in the field and talked. Saw a > dyno that wasn't getting used at all, and a bunch of eyabusers getting > polished(guy rode it, had a truck come along with his race stand so he > could polish it, a polished/chromed R1(couldn't figure this out-too clean > to be ridden at all, but the tires actually scuffed all the way (and not > feathered like race tires-sand paper is my guess.) We left after an > hour-hour and a half, and headed back in to Georgetown for food. Largely > a bust, but amusing. did actually see a flyer, and the squids should be > at RFK on Sunday-it said beginning at 1, I think. Website is still not > working. > Greg > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer > ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX > 7/17/99 HSTA/AMA 5:18:20 PM > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 17 19:19:07 1999 Return-Path: stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA24844 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 19:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stpeter (th-1-34.patriot.net [206.29.51.36]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA20681; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 19:18:57 -0400 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 19:21:33 -0400 Message-ID: <01BED089.949BFBA0.stpeter@patriot.net> From: "Jay St. Peter" Reply-To: "stpeter@XXXXXX" To: "'dawn.jon@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re:Titles Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 19:13:15 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 14 TEXT Jon, Many race bikes (mine included) have no title. Usually means that it was a salvage title in another state and the owner didn't want to bother to transfer a useless title. Mine has a bill of sale trail back a few owners. Anyhow, if the guy raced WERA, they check VIN #s every time. If he only did CCS, there is no telling. When I bought my wifes Volvo, I had some concern that it was a flood car. I ran the VIN using edmunds.com. They charged $20 and results were nearly immediate. I don't know if they do bikes though. BTW, I have been thinking of selling my race F2 if anyone is interested. Just contact me off list. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 18 00:35:05 1999 Return-Path: bigredsled@XXXXXX Received: from web808.mail.yahoo.com (web808.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA01212 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 00:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990718043809.10253.rocketmail@web808.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.8.23.212] by web808.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 00:38:09 EDT Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 00:38:09 -0400 (EDT) From: s s Subject: Re: Helmet Music & CD Player To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I used a car / portable CD player on my trip across the US, but I kept it in a pouch that hung froma neck strap. I would tuck it into my jacket so it was protected. Worked great, but I would have liked a bit more volume. I used ear buds. They stayed in, but were not really properly seated in my ears due to interference with the helmet. No skips though, and I would have gone stark raving in Kansas and Nebraska without tunes. Playing 'Route 66' while riding down the main drag in Barstow California was a kick. Spence... --- Ursulina Viteri wrote: > I've been fine using the "bud" ear phones (that fit > in your ear) and a > personal tape player* that sits in the tank bag. I > run the cord thru my > blouse, make sure the cord it held in place by my > helmet's chin strap, and > slide the ear phones into my helmet so they sit > right on top of my ear > canal. Works well for me. If your ear phones are > sliding out then I'd > suspect your helmet is a bit loose. > > *I've tried using my portable CD player but the > constant skipping was > madding so I switched to the tape player. > > - - Ursulina > 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD > > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 1:57 PM > Subject: Re: Helmet Music & CD Player > > > >At 03:59 PM 7/16/99 , djones@XXXXXX wrote: > >>Hey Guys, > >> > >>I need to know what the best head-set/cd player is > out there. I went on a > >>500 mile trip last week & some nice music on this > trip would've been very > >>cool indeed. > > > >Someone tell me a good set of speakers to insert > into the helmet! I tried > >in-ear headphones, but they fall out...tried in-ear > with ear-clips, they > >hurt going on and off. > > > >I guess I should shell out the money for a good > communicator with a line-in > >jack.... > >___________________________________________ > > > > Mike Troutman > > http://www.troutman.org > > > >As far as I can tell, I am immortal until proven > wrong. > > > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 18 02:07:55 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA03240 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 02:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (209-122-216-33.s33.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.216.33]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA04259 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 02:07:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kirt Senser" To: Subject: Sunday Running of the Squids... Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 02:05:55 -0000 Message-ID: <01bed0c2$123a5c40$21d87ad1@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_012A_01BED0C2.123A5C40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_012A_01BED0C2.123A5C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone from VA going tomorrow? I'm probably gonna roll out there = tomorrow, and if anyone wants to go, I'd be happy to lead. Just let me = know a place and time to meet up with you and I'll be there. Thanks = again to Nick, Greg, and Grant for making today a substantially more = interesting then it first appeared to be. All three of them have cool = bikes, cool stories, and cool attitudes. It's good to know that there = are some other riders in the area that aren't complete squids or in the = dc sportbike riders (read: = straight-line-speed/get-silly-custom-paint-jobs-for-your-bike-and-helmet/= polish-your-bike-endlessly) club. No offense to any of those guys, but = personally I bought my bike to RIDE IT... Sure, I like the way it = looks, and I take care of it's appearence, but come on! The dude on the = R1 at the squid thingy in Wimer's Park (in butt-scratch-ghetto-MD) was = polishing his bike when we pulled up, still polishing when we went and = got a drink, still polishing when we came back over to the bikes to hang = out...... you get the picture. And there is no way that guy has had = that bike leaned THAT far over. Greg was right, they were "used" all = the (and past) the edges, but alas, no scratches on the peg feelers. = Hmmmmm.... physical impossiblity? I think so... Plus, he *never* took = that damn thing off the trailer. Whatever... Anyways, enough whining. = I had fun, we got in for free, got to ride around, got to take a pretty = good exit ramp at a high rate of speed, and a few other things here and = there. DAMN was it hot. Well, I don't wanna suck up all the damn = bandwidth, so off I go. Let me know ASAP if anyone else is going = tomorrow. If not, I'm gonna ride out to Bowie and meet up with the MD = fellas. =20 Kirt 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va ------=_NextPart_000_012A_01BED0C2.123A5C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone from VA going tomorrow?  = I'm=20 probably gonna roll out there tomorrow, and if anyone wants to go, I'd = be happy=20 to lead.  Just let me know a place and time to meet up with you and = I'll be=20 there.  Thanks again to Nick, Greg, and Grant for making today a=20 substantially more interesting then it first appeared to be.  All = three of=20 them have cool bikes, cool stories, and cool attitudes.  It's good = to know=20 that there are some other riders in the area that aren't complete squids = or in=20 the dc sportbike riders (read:=20 straight-line-speed/get-silly-custom-paint-jobs-for-your-bike-and-helmet/= polish-your-bike-endlessly)=20 club.  No offense to any of those guys, but personally I bought my = bike to=20 RIDE IT...     Sure, I like the way it looks, and I = take=20 care of it's appearence, but come on!  The dude on the R1 at the = squid=20 thingy in Wimer's Park (in butt-scratch-ghetto-MD) was polishing his = bike when=20 we pulled up, still polishing when we went and got a drink, still = polishing when=20 we came back over to the bikes to hang out......  you get the=20 picture.  And there is no way that guy has had that bike leaned = THAT far=20 over.  Greg was right, they were "used" all the (and = past) the=20 edges, but alas, no scratches on the peg feelers.  Hmmmmm....  = physical impossiblity?  I think so...  Plus, he *never* took that damn thing off the trailer. =20 Whatever...  Anyways, enough whining.  I had fun, we got in = for free,=20 got to ride around, got to take a pretty good exit ramp at a high rate = of speed,=20 and a few other things here and there.  DAMN was it hot.  = Well, I=20 don't wanna suck up all the damn bandwidth, so off I go.  Let me = know ASAP=20 if anyone else is going tomorrow.  If not, I'm gonna ride out to = Bowie and=20 meet up with the MD fellas. 
 
Kirt
1996 CBR 600F3 = SJR
Annandale, Va
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_012A_01BED0C2.123A5C40-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 18 02:10:02 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA03287 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 02:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (209-122-216-33.s33.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.216.33]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA04365 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 02:09:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kirt Senser" To: Subject: one more thing... Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 02:08:07 -0000 Message-ID: <01bed0c2$605700e0$21d87ad1@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0133_01BED0C2.605700E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0133_01BED0C2.605700E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How many people on this list are in the IT industry??? I think all four = of us today were... I notice a lot of computer geeks ride bikes. I = think it's cool... Kirt 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va ------=_NextPart_000_0133_01BED0C2.605700E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
How many people on this list are in the IT = industry???  I=20 think all four of us today were...  I notice a lot of computer = geeks ride=20 bikes.  I think it's cool...
 
Kirt
1996 CBR 600F3 SJR
Annandale, Va
------=_NextPart_000_0133_01BED0C2.605700E0-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 18 22:19:57 1999 Return-Path: djones@XXXXXX Received: from inetmail3.bigyellow.com ([167.241.105.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22768 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 22:19:56 -0400 (EDT) From: djones@XXXXXX Received: from inetmail2.bigyellow.com ([167.241.105.101]) by inetmail3.bigyellow.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2607.0) id N906FMTT; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 22:19:50 -0400 Received: from Lynsmtp1.bigyellow.com (LYNSMTP1 [167.241.105.221]) by inetmail2.bigyellow.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id N9N82Q3T; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 22:19:51 -0400 Received: by Lynsmtp1.bigyellow.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852567B3.000CC9C9 ; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 22:19:40 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: NIRC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567B3.000B7C33.00@Lynsmtp1.bigyellow.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 22:19:01 -0400 Subject: 97' Yamaha YZF1000R 4-Sale Red & White 12,236 miles Stage 1 Jet Kit Micron Carbon Fiber Slipon Carbon Fiber Front Fender Carbon Fiber Rear Fender Zero Gravity Double Bubble New Pirelli Dragons Front (race compound) Rear (street) Beautiful Bike $7500 Contact me off line if interested. Thanks, DJ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 07:10:25 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA01756 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 07:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 04:10:14 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Helmet Music & CD Player Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 03:55:25 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) The set-up I have and liked (CD player died on me) was Bass-Monsters (www.collet.com or something like that), and a $90 Awai 40 sec. anti-skip CD player. I ran the power from my bike (car-adaptor kit that was wired directly to the battery - in-line fuse, water-proof quick connect) and an in-line booster. Todd Peer told me about a set of speakers from Radio Shack that he liked - I just haven't gotten around to buying a new CD player and thus have no need for new speakers. I listen with ear protection in - just a little trick to help the music but still hinder the other noise - heat a sewing needle and push it through the center of the ear-plug. This gives an open channel for music to come in on, but still blocks the wind-noise.... it does work, and well. Cheers. Brian > -----Original Message----- > > I need to know what the best head-set/cd player is out there. > I went on a > 500 mile trip last week & some nice music on this trip > would've been very > cool indeed. > > Thanks, DJ > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 08:27:24 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02937 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 08:27:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 05:27:18 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Hawk front turn signals? Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 05:26:03 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Hey, Anyone out there have a set of Hawk front turn signals? I need/want them complete from the fork clamp on out to the blinker. They're going to be used in 'street-fighterizing' my VFR (sold the bodywork to a friend). Any leads would be appreciated... note, these don't have to be perfect items. Thanks, Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 08:42:47 1999 Return-Path: dreamer@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [209.48.224.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03189 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 08:42:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [209.48.224.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA19250 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 08:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 08:42:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Dawn Gibson To: DC Cycles Subject: Survival in Cass, WV Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII (warning, long post) Survival in Cass, WV. Three days of riding in the mountains of West Virginia with an old riding buddy from Pittsburgh seemed the perfect antidote to a long week of stress at work. I took off about 10am on Friday morning and it was already hot and sticky. I wasn't in the mood for interstates so I took 66 only as far as 55. 55 to 340 to 33 to 220 to 250 to 28. It became progressively cooler as I climbed into the mountains and I enjoyed the twisty roads. I don't break any speed records or scrape any pegs but I enjoy it just the same. They've paved the roads since the last time I rode this way and aside from gravel in every curve, the roads were in great shape. I arrived at Boyer Station about 4pm and set up camp. For anyone heading up there, Boyer Station is a small restaurant/camp ground/hotel near Cass, WV which is friendly to motorcycles. My riding buddy arrived about 8:20pm having had to work that day. Saturday morning was misty and cool and we stopped first at the radio telescope observatory at Green Bank. This is the largest observatory of its type in the US. We took their tour and it was pretty interesting. Then off to Cass for the train ride up the mountain. That was cool but it was good to get back on the bikes. We took off southward, intending to loop back and return to the campground well before dark. We hit a few showers but they didn't last long. We rode further than we'd intended to and the skies were ominous by the time we headed northward on the return journey. Within ten miles the lightning was vivid just ahead and the winds were almost horizontal. In a few more minutes the downpour was intense and it was hard to see. A few more minutes and it was impossible. The rain and 1/4" hail were horizontal and gale force, the thunder and lightning were terrifying and it was nearly impossible to keep the bike upright and on the road, but there was no place to pull off on the narrow two lane country road, not even a driveway. Five more miles and finally a narrow lane leading off the road. An old farmer and his wife were kind enough to let us into their garage while the storm blasted for almost another half an hour before calming into rain. While I waited I dumped a half a quart of water out of each boot and squeezed almost that much out of the foam padding in my helmet. My heavy leather jacket was 3 times as heavy with water and the temp outside was in the 50s now. We thanked the farmer and took off in the aftermath of the storm. Branches and mud everywhere and a heavy mist. The warmth of my head and the wet padding in my helmet created a face shield that would not stay clear and my front wheel slid on wet leaves and mud in every corner. 50 miles back to the camp site in 50 degree temps and soaking gear and we were on the edge of hypothermia and shock. The last 15 miles to the camp were dry roads and we discovered that it had not even rained there! We built a huge fire and watched our gear steam and contemplated the idea of survival. We take so many things for granted that it's truly an eye opener to experience something like this. It was a thoughtful ride back in still wet gear the next day. The first 75 miles on 250 through the mountains I had the road totally to myself and the beauty was as awe inspiring as the tantrum of nature had been the day before. By the time I'd slabbed along 81 for a while, most of my gear was dry and it was already hot enough to be uncomfortable. In summary, Cass, WV is very beautiful. The mountains are perfect for riding and the twisty roads are intense enough to satisfy even the craziest of suicidal, peg scraping lunatics, but beware the weather. Lesson learned, ALWAYS take warm gear, even if it's 100 degrees outside when you leave. Neither of us had clothing warmer than t-shirts along. Never believe the weather folks. The weather man had forecast only a slight chance of scattered light thunder storms. Dawn Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX '96 Virago 1100 Special, KnowMad From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 09:01:13 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03548 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FF4007BJC4HJQ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:00:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA14122; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:58:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990719125955.ITAZ3540@toddnt>; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:59:55 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 08:58:06 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Helmet Music & CD Player In-reply-to: <4.1.19990716161807.01be5860@mail.wheatintl.com> To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000b01bed1e6$582055f0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal I haven't tried these, but for only $19.99 they seem worth a try: http://www.koss.com/koss/kossweb.nsf/HomeCatalog then click on "portable stereophones" then "the plug". I don't have a stereo source right now, but I am considering a mini-disc player/recorder. Here are some examples that Amazon.com sells: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/electronics/browse-electronics/-/172631 /002-7821644-2571403 The headset I have now is made by Radio Shack, the "Titanium Pro-25". It usually sells for around $40, but every now and then they go on sale for $20. These headphones rock. The frequency response is something like 5-30,000 Hz. Awesome! I use these with my home unit and am just blown away by the sound. One last thing you might want to consider is an in-line power amp. I have something called a "Boosteroo" that takes a couple of AA batteries and allows for up to three listeners to the same source. It definitely helps cut through the wind noise too. It's made by Bowman electronics with this last known telephone number - 800-345-2966. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, July 16, 1999 4:37 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Helmet Music & CD Player > > > At 03:59 PM 7/16/99 , djones@XXXXXX wrote: > >Hey Guys, > > > >I need to know what the best head-set/cd player is out there. I went on a > >500 mile trip last week & some nice music on this trip would've been very > >cool indeed. > > Someone tell me a good set of speakers to insert into the helmet! I tried > in-ear headphones, but they fall out...tried in-ear with ear-clips, they > hurt going on and off. > > I guess I should shell out the money for a good communicator with > a line-in > jack.... > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > As far as I can tell, I am immortal until proven wrong. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 09:16:16 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03856 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:16:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FF400384CTWOW@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:15:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA21209; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:11:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990719131530.IXXD3540@toddnt>; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:15:30 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:13:41 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Survival in Cass, WV In-reply-to: To: Dawn Gibson , DC Cycles Message-id: <000c01bed1e8$85456cd0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Nice write up Dawn. It was almost like being there, but not getting wet :) You are very correct about preparedness, especially on extended day trips. I always try to carry the following, just in case: First Aid Kit Flares Tire Repair Kit Compressor (mini) Rain Gear Jacket (wind breaker) Cell Phone Extra gloves Sunscreen Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Dawn Gibson [mailto:dreamer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 8:43 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Survival in Cass, WV > > Survival in Cass, WV. > Within ten miles the lightning was vivid > just ahead and the winds were almost horizontal. > In a few more minutes the downpour was intense > and it was hard to see. A few more minutes and it > was impossible. The rain and 1/4" hail were > horizontal and gale force, the thunder and lightning > were terrifying and it was nearly impossible to keep > the bike upright and on the road, but there was no > place to pull off on the narrow two lane country > road, not even a driveway. > Lesson learned, ALWAYS > take warm gear, even if it's 100 degrees outside > when you leave. Neither of us had clothing warmer > than t-shirts along. Never believe the weather > folks. The weather man had forecast only a slight > chance of scattered light thunder storms. > > Dawn Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX > '96 Virago 1100 Special, KnowMad > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 09:37:28 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04528 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:37:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 116DYQ-0006Vy-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:34:02 -0400 Received: from jay (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA08413 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:36:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Subject: Moving Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:35:37 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bed1eb$95dcd530$afc809c0@jay> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal I'm packing up to move out of my house at the end of the month and have come upon some stuff I'd like to get rid of/sell 1. Spartan cold weather riding suit - size XL (pick it up and give me a 6-pack of good beer) 2. Scorpio CYL-100DX cycle alarm, still in box. Was the best available 3 years ago when I bought it. Paid over $200, will sell for $50. 3. '93 CBR600 F2 race bike. '94 forks with Race Tech valves Fox shock graves clip-ons racing brake lines rearset adaptors for stock foot peg brackets Dynojet kit 3 sets bodywork (1 beat up, 1 mounted to bike that is beat up but useful, 1 brand new not even drilled) box of spares (including levers, footpegs, case covers, sprockets, master cylinder, fairing bracket, etc.) WERA production legal tires still have a couple of weekends left (depending on who rides it). This is a good bike for someone who wants to have fun and learn to race. It is closer to being competitive than I expected (although I wasn't), and much faster than I expected. $2500/firm. e-mail me with any interest in the above items. I am moving out of my house next week From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 09:41:37 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA04564 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:41:35 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA28997; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:42:14 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma025790; Mon, 19 Jul 99 09:39:15 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FF400GVXE1APH@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:41:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567B3.004ADD74 ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:37:43 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:36:47 -0400 Subject: Re: Helmet Music & CD Player To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567B3.004AD25A.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I also use the Collett "bass monsters". Funny name, since I find the sound pretty tinny. It depends on how close to the ear you can mount them in your helmet. I have a minidisc player and one of the yellow Sony sport walkman units that one of the other listers mentioned. The minidisc player really needs an in-line power boosting device, as you need to have it at full volume to be able to hear the thing at 60mph+. It's nice to be able to mix your own discs, but I find that I like the variety on the radio more than my own paltry music collection. The Sony has more power than necessary, but I've recently developed a bit of a problem with the reception. For a while, it was great. Now the reception comes in pretty intermittently. I think it's a problem with the cord connections and I'll soon work it out. Last night I experimented with strapping the walkman to the triple clamp on the Superhawk with mixed results. I have yet to try it at speed, but I'm concerned it will work it's way loose from the vibrations as I ride. We'll see. Maybe I'll try strapping it to my leg like someone mentioned. So far the tankbag is the best solution, but you can't get to the buttons easily and sometimes I don't want to take the bag with me. Chris Weaver 98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 09:43:01 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA04634 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:42:59 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA00447; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:43:13 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma027586; Mon, 19 Jul 99 09:40:41 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FF400J6CE36EM@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567B3.004AF77E ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:38:50 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:37:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Two Brothers' Naked Hayabusa....cool! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567B3.004AF1C7.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Getting rid of the bodywork sort of defeats the whole purpose of the Hayabusa, doesn't it? Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 http://www.twobros.com/hayabusa/rodan/rodan.html ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 09:53:01 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04809 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA28479; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:52:51 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990719094544.01a296d0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:52:42 -0400 To: Todd Peer From: Troutman Subject: RE: Helmet Music & CD Player + communicator Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000b01bed1e6$582055f0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <4.1.19990716161807.01be5860@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:58 AM 7/19/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >The headset I have now is made by Radio Shack, the "Titanium Pro-25". It >usually sells for around $40, but every now and then they go on sale for >$20. These headphones rock. The frequency response is something like >5-30,000 Hz. Awesome! I use these with my home unit and am just blown away >by the sound. Hit Radio Shack Sunday and picked up the Pro-35s for $19.95. Velcroed them in last night - felt pretty good coming in. Radio reception was marginal, will try CD player tomorrow. May have to go buy a new portable CD player with 40 seconds of shock memory. Someone may have mentioned cutting the liner and placing the headphones inside...maybe even cutting the padding to fit. Has anyone tried this with a Shoei RF800? Also...on the subject of cheap communicators..... 2 Weeks ago I bought a set of those FM family communicators. 2 mile range, pretty much like a CB radio. The two pack cost $75 at best buy (most other brands are running $100 each). My goal is to get a headset that can handle voice activation by itself, then use it with the walkie talkie for group rides. Radio Shack sells an in-ear headphone/clip mic with PTT activation, but it didn't work very well in the helmet. The past couple of days I have seen several hands-free phone sets with 1/4" stereo plug adapter. I may sneak in and test the demo in the store..... The cool thing about these communicators is the price and portability. When you finish your ride and go for a hike, you can keep using them..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 10:45:07 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05718 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:45:06 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2QWUa17404 (4532) for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:43:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <67a5a341.24c493af@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:43:59 EDT Subject: Re: one more thing... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 LOTS! :D I've already asked this question.... Marcy In a message dated 7/18/99 2:16:27 AM, ksenser@XXXXXX writes: >How many people on this list are in the IT industry??? From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 10:49:12 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05742 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 07:48:56 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Helmet Music & CD Player Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 07:42:27 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) If you don't mind the unit being subjected to the elements.. try velcro on the dash. It'll hold it securly, and provide a small ammount of vibration dampning aswell... As for putting it on yor leg - a 3' strap of nilon webbing (Sunnys Surplus) with a quick connect to fit around yor leg.. then you can either clamp (with the units belt holder) it to the strap, or make your own. I HAVE to use a tankbag because my power source is held in the pockets. As for music boosting.. try the Boosteroo - I have it.. and like it a lot. manufacturer named Bowman: President Tom Parker at 800-345-2966. Used to be $14.95 plus UPS shipping and COD. Cheers, Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 10:56:00 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA05832 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:55:58 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA25401; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:56:43 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma021761; Mon, 19 Jul 99 10:53:09 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FF400A6VHGJR5@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567B3.0051A1A6 ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:51:37 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:39:11 -0400 Subject: RE: Helmet Music & CD Player + communicator To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567B3.00519E43.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Mike Troutman wrote: Someone may have mentioned cutting the liner and placing the headphones inside...maybe even cutting the padding to fit. Has anyone tried this with a Shoei RF800? ---- Well, I've done it on a Shoei RF-R and the Collett speakers, but there may be some slight differences. It wasn't that hard really. The lining isn't supposed to be removable on the RF-R, but a little persuasion will get out the large piece of lined foam that makes up the cheek areas and lower facemask area. The lining was taped onto the back of the foam. I just peeled back the tape, peeled back the liner, and scraped out some of the foam. I then pulled the lining tight again and reapplied the tape. I added some tape of my own to make sure it stayed put. I then jimmied the foam unit back into the helmet, and all was well. It might take some experimenting, but I'm sure you can do it. YMMV with the RF800. 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From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 11:32:26 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06581 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:32:16 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA07554; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:32:29 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma002213; Mon, 19 Jul 99 11:27:53 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FF400GNMJ2FM7@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567B3.0054D0BE ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:26:24 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:13:11 -0400 Subject: RE: Helmet Music & CD Player To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567B3.0054CA51.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Velcro it to the "dash"? Do you mean the instrument panel? If so, there's no place on the VTR to effectively do this. As for webbing, I used to do a lot of rock climbing, so I have *plenty* of that stuff. I'll check out the Boosteroo. Sounds like it might do the trick. I saw a power booster for sale on the web a while ago, but it cost $50 or $60, so I sh!tcanned that idea. Chris 98 VTR You wrote: If you don't mind the unit being subjected to the elements.. try velcro on the dash. It'll hold it securly, and provide a small ammount of vibration dampning aswell... As for putting it on yor leg - a 3' strap of nilon webbing (Sunnys Surplus) with a quick connect to fit around yor leg.. then you can either clamp (with the units belt holder) it to the strap, or make your own. I HAVE to use a tankbag because my power source is held in the pockets. As for music boosting.. try the Boosteroo - I have it.. and like it a lot. manufacturer named Bowman: President Tom Parker at 800-345-2966. Used to be $14.95 plus UPS shipping and COD. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 11:47:06 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f291.hotmail.com [209.185.130.230]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06849 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 51096 invoked by uid 0); 19 Jul 1999 15:46:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19990719154628.51095.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 08:46:28 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: twg@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:You just have to love Northern Virginia Yuppies.( VERY Lo Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 08:46:28 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Slightly off subject but this e-mail reminds me that the area's good riding is slowly moving farther away from DC. You now have to spend 30 to 60 minutes before the fun begins in any direction. Having just done a weekend ride out Rt 55 through western PW County and out to Front Royal, I don't know which would have been worse: Disney or all the crappy tract mansions and town houses that are going up instead. It is amazing how much has changed over the last 5 years just west of where 55 comes into 29. Before 10 years are up I would say that we are going to have tract housing all the way to Throughfare Gap. My wife says that Rt 55 is one of her favorite rides close to DC. Its a shame that its getting shorter every year. >From: Hugh Caldwell >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re:You just have to love Northern Virginia Yuppies.( VERY Lo >Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:31:57 -0700 (PDT) > > > Wow, you actually want Disney? You must be having a bad >day. > I really doubt that car dealerships put out anywhere near as >much noise as a bike dealership. > >On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Tom Zell wrote: > > > > This is complete and total bullshit brought to you by the grand folk >that > > removed Disney from our future here. There are plenty of car >dealerships that > > line Rt 50 in that area that I am sure generate a good amount of noise >as well > > but you don't see them being hassled. > > > > And what's wrong with people getting together for a common cause? No >rallies? > > Give me a freakin' break. Hell... if the shop closes we should have the >entire > > list make it a point of holding a rallie in that lot every weekend! > > > > Another reason for me to stay clear of East Berlin.. I mean Fairfax City >/ > > Fairfax Cnty. > > > > Bring the shop to Arlington! With all the loud music coming from every >yo-boy's > > car the shop would a) surely NOT be bothering any residents (how could >they be > > bothered anymore) and b) bring the sweet rumble of American iron back to >the > > county. > > > > Tom <--- ok... so I'm having a bad day > > '86 VFR750 > > > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > > Subject: You just have to love Northern Virginia Yuppies.( VERY Long > > Author: shephar1@XXXXXX (Ken) > > Date: 7/6/99 11:23 AM > > > > On a personal note, I thought the place stank of a bunch of used car >salesman, a > > nc couldnt give a hoot, but I thought this was funny. > > Harley noise prompts council rumblings > > > > > > City to consider revoking permit for dealership > > > > By ROBERT WHITE > > Journal staff writer > > > > Pressured by resident complaints about motorcycle noise, Fairfax City >officials > > this week moved closer to revoking the zoning permit for the city's >3-month-old > > Harley Davidson dealership. > > > > Taking away Patriot Harley Davidson's special-use permit, as the City >Council co > > uld do after a hearing next month, would put the shop out of business. > > > > Council members said they do not plan to take the issue that far, but >they agree > > d Tuesday night to start the revocation process to make clear to owner >Robert C. > > DeHaven that he needs to do something to tone down the noise. > > > > "The intent is not to close the shop down or to harm the business in any >way," C > > ouncilman Rob Lederer said. "The intent is to preserve the quality of >life for t > > he surrounding residential communities." > > > > DeHaven reacted angrily to the decision, saying he has followed all >conditions o > > f the special-use permit granted by the City Council last May. He >acknowledged t > > he store generates noise, but asserted that should be expected from a >shop that > > sells and repairs motorcycles. > > > > A major bone of contention is the noise and traffic generated by >motorcycle rall > > ies, such as the annual Memorial Day "Rolling Thunder" event, in which >thousands > > of Harley riders descend upon the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in downtown >Washing > > ton. Patriot Harley Davidson played host to local riders for the May 30 >caravan. > > > > The shop, which opened in March on a three-acre site on Lee Highway near >Fairfax > > Circle, also held a grand opening festival Saturday, drawing Harley >enthusiasts > > from across Northern Virginia. Residents complained that parked >motorcycles lin > > ed the streets from the shop to Fairfax High School, a half-mile away. > > > > "We don't want someone to turn Fairfax City into a mecca for cyclists >from all o > > ver the region," said Carl Hemmer, a former council member who lives in >the Grea > > t Oaks neighborhood behind the shop. "[DeHaven] is trying to build >Nissan Pavili > > on East in the middle of Fairfax City." > > > > Neighbors have lodged dozens of complaints with council members, and >several spo > > ke out against the shop at Tuesday's council meeting. In response, the >council v > > oted 5-0 to begin the process of revoking DeHaven's permit. > > > > To get approval for his 20,000-square-foot shop, DeHaven agreed to hold >no more > > than six rallies a year, restrict the store's hours of operations and >build abou > > t $100,000 of ancillary improvements in the area, including a pedestrian >bridge > > over a nearby creek. > > > > DeHaven, a lifelong Harley rider who in 1981 founded Quality Systems >Inc., a Fai > > rfax high-technology firm, said the city's actions are puzzling because >the moto > > rcycle shop has never been accused of violating the terms of the >agreement. > > > > "You'd think there'd be some due process here, where they inform you >that you're > > in violation [of the permit] and say, `You either cure this or we're >going to r > > evoke your permit,'" he said. "I've never been cited for being in >violation of a > > nything." > > > > DeHaven has 10 days to protest Tuesday's decision and said he will do >so. An app > > eal would lead to a July 27 public hearing before the council. > > > > Council members said they hope to work out a solution to the noise >problem befor > > e then. Several of them said yesterday they will ask DeHaven to find >another sit > > e to stage rallies or consider limiting him to just one or two events a >year. > > > > "What I would like to see is curtailing the noise and the number of >rallies and > > open houses that he intends to hold," said Councilman Scott >Silverthorne, who st > > rongly supported the Harley shop last year as part of the city's >redevelopment o > > f the Lee Highway area. > > > > "Six [rallies] a year is a lot. They have the big one on Memorial Day, >and I'm n > > ot so certain they need more than that." > > > > DeHaven said he understands the noise concerns but does not favor >reducing the n > > umber of rallies, which he said are an integral part of any Harley >Davidson deal > > ership. > > > > "Not only are they typical, they are mandated by the motor company," he >said. "Y > > ou have to be able to do some of these things." > > > > Saturday's grand opening, which featured live music and free food, >raised more t > > han $16,000 for charity, DeHaven said. > > > > "We're being good corporate neighbors," he added. > > > > The shop is one of only a handful of Harley Davidson dealerships in the >Washingt > > on area. > > > > > > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Ken S. > > ICQ# 32289311 > > HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger > > HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager > > kshephard@XXXXXX > > 1996 XLH 1200 > > Ride Safe > > Inwood, WV > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI >---------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 11:50:52 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06938 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA28734; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:50:44 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990719114805.01a9e780@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:50:42 -0400 To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: Helmet Music & CD Player Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <852567B3.0054CA51.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:13 AM 7/19/99 , christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: >Velcro it to the "dash"? Do you mean the instrument panel? If so, there's >no place on the VTR to effectively do this. As for webbing, I used to do a >lot of rock climbing, so I have *plenty* of that stuff. I'll check out the >Boosteroo. Sounds like it might do the trick. I saw a power booster for >sale on the web a while ago, but it cost $50 or $60, so I sh!tcanned that >idea. As another 'former' rock climber I also have a ton of webbing. Tip for dog owners - webbing makes a great dog toy. I daisy chain 20 feet and tie off the end. Dog loves to pull on it, and it takes a while to shred (as long as they dont chew like a bone). Also makes good leash, excellent tie down material, great rope-jacket and a million other things. And dont get me started on all the uses for 'biners! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 12:18:32 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA07474 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:18:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:17:28 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:17:21 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:08:58 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, nighthawk700@XXXXXX Subject: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Looks like AIG gets added to MY black list, joining GEICO. Crap like this is precisely why I belong to the AMA. Joe AMA # 300037 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 12:44:52 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA08045 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA28872; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:42:19 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990719124101.01aa0cd0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:42:07 -0400 To: JOE NAGY From: Troutman Subject: Re: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, nighthawk700@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:08 AM 7/19/99 , JOE NAGY wrote: >Looks like AIG gets added to MY black list, joining GEICO. >Crap like this is precisely why I belong to the AMA. http://www.aig.com/ Let them know how unhappy you are with their policies. http://www.aig.com/corpsite/frfeedback.html ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org As far as I can tell, I am immortal until proven wrong. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 13:00:56 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA08423 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:00:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:00:15 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Helmet Speakers, Amps, CDs Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:00:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain RE earlier postings about ear buds etc. : Speakers: Earlier I used a replacement set of Sony's because they were thin. With a bandana folded over them, I could get them and my head into the helmet. O.K. for around town but the pressure on the ears can get painful. Later, I installed helmet speakers: In my X-8, I have the "Bass Monsters" in the new RF800, I have "amended" Sony's. To amend them I just stripped the speakers out of an old Walkman head set (~$12) and rewired them with Radio Schack 30 ga. and a mini plug. Because the Sony's are flatter than the fish speakers, I didn't have to carve out niches in the helmet -- just slipped them under the fabric and sorta squished them in. Both sets work well. Radio Sound helmet speakers? http://www.radiosound.com/products/helmet_headset.html Hint for helmet speaker mounting. Use duct tape to securely fasten the mini plug to the chin piece liner. This will prevent strain on the little bitty wires. The little bitty wires going from the plug to the speakers will separate after several dozen pulls resulting in one (or both ) speakers giving intermittent sound. Guess how I know this? Amps: "Will I be able to hear audio when I have earplugs in and the wind is rushing past my helmet?" That depends on how powerful your audio source is, the ambient noise, and naturally, how good the ear plugs are. My radio-only set punches through fine. The Sony cassette deck doesn't. So, I looked for an audio booster and found two options for which I'd appreciate any comment from the more experienced: www.boosteroo.com" Hmm, Cost: Boostaroo Audio Amplifier and Splitter $17.95+ $3.50* or Boostaroo with 3 Foot Cord$19.95 + $3.50* "Output Into 16 ohm head phones (stereo mini jack), approximately 40 mW per channel, 12 dB gain in sound per channel." Lessee, IIRC 3 dB is doubling, so 12 Db would by increase volume by 16 X? but, a 0.040 Watt amp seems wimpy. A Headbanger builder (see below) said he had been unhappy with the boost-er-oo . . . The do-it-yourself Headbanger amp page. Du-ude http://www.connact.com/~eaw/minidisc/headbanger.html Output Power: 375mW into 8-ohms (~ 0.19 watt into 16 Ohm phones) What is the impedance of Bass Monsters, Cheap Sony phones? 32 Ohms? Commercial version $99 + DYI: ~$30 - $55 plus ~ 4 hours I checked one local RS and they had everything but the 18 Ohm resistors and the box. Carl in Bethesda (Yearning for NPR and Dick Dale on the road) CDs: I don't have one but on another list, a poster said he went into a store with demo models, stuffed in a disc and hopped while they played. He bought the one that skipped the least (Aiwa IIRC) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 13:12:31 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA08584 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:12:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:11:27 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:11:21 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:09:33 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: EthanK@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Here's my beef with GEICO: GEICO buys radar guns for police departments. You, a GEICO customer, get written for speed by an officer holding a GEICO gun. In effect, you just got busted with a gun that YOU paid for. Oh, one last thing. The violation gets back to GEICO, and GEICO raises your rates. They need to buy more radar guns to protect you from maniacs like you. Damned slimy, no? Joe No current violations as of 7-19-99 1:08 pm From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 13:35:38 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09040 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:32:45 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB0A16@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:32:36 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) If you want to be really picky they actually buy Lidar (laser) guns and have done so for MD. Don't know if they have done it for any other state. Anyhow, I agree with you. GEICO could be half of what I'm paying now and I would still not use them. Glenn >Here's my beef with GEICO: >GEICO buys radar guns for police departments. >You, a GEICO customer, get written for speed by an officer holding a >GEICO gun. >In effect, you just got busted with a gun that YOU paid for. >Oh, one last thing. The violation gets back to GEICO, and GEICO raises >your rates. They need to buy more radar guns to protect you from >maniacs like you. >Damned slimy, no? From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 13:44:03 1999 Return-Path: sdave@XXXXXX Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09130 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112138036.cit.nih.gov [165.112.138.36]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA9219748; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37936455.AB19A9C9@radix.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:45:57 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JOE NAGY CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sounds like discrimination to me... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A wise man once told me 'what goes around, comes around' . Remember those ex traffic cops with testicular cancer a few years back on 60 minutes ? Broke my heart that those radar guns caused them to to be forever.... how shall we say? orb impaired ? testicularly challenged? testosterone deficient? too bad. The gene pool will be forever altered. for the better. -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Analyst Soza & Company, Ltd. IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator ATG Group Webmaster (301) 496-3760 JOE NAGY wrote: > Here's my beef with GEICO: > > GEICO buys radar guns for police departments. > > You, a GEICO customer, get written for speed by an officer holding a > GEICO gun. > > In effect, you just got busted with a gun that YOU paid for. > > Oh, one last thing. The violation gets back to GEICO, and GEICO raises > your rates. They need to buy more radar guns to protect you from > maniacs like you. > > Damned slimy, no? > > Joe > No current violations as of 7-19-99 1:08 pm From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 13:57:05 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1101.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA09387 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990719175621.20517.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1101.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:56:21 EDT Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:56:21 -0400 (EDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- JOE NAGY wrote: > Here's my beef with GEICO: > > GEICO buys radar guns for police departments. I see your point, but I have really mixed feelings about it (& I recognize that a lot of people are going be disagree with me vehemently on this). I don't have a problem with strict enforcement, especially after a few years of dealing with our hyper-aggressive local drivers. I don't have a lot of sympathy for people trying to tear down the Toll Road at 85 mph at rush hour, or zooming through my crowded Arlington neighborhood at 45 in a 25 zone. (Ever seen a pedestrian getting hit by a car? It ain't pretty.) If GEICO is helping them get nailed, so they can pay extra insurance while I keep my low perfect-record premiums, that OK by me. So I don't have a real problem with GEICO and the radar guns. (Of course, every time I check with them their rates suck, so that's a different issue.) Except for this: it lends credence to the idea that speed is the only danger. Now if they came up with an "excessive lane changing, tailgating, and failure to use signals" detector, that would be pretty cool in my book. But it might put half the local drivers in traffic court. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 14:05:50 1999 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA09572 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 19 Jul 1999 18:05:31 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA17561 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:05:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply In-Reply-To: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB0A16@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII One can make the case that if _they_ do not speed, or drive like a prick, maybe they have no issue with an insurance company that busts speeders? I used to drive like an ass. Two accidents and two tickets later (over the span of 4 years) I chilled out. 5 over at most, etc, etc. I find myself more laid back and a lot less worried. This is a personal choice _I_ made, because I was tired of being in wrecks (smaller margin of safety) and getting tickets... Not trying to be all preachy and self-righteous, but you make a conscious choice to speed. Don't blame the tooth fairy, cops, geico, or anyone else, for the consequences that happen. And Geico giving money to cops just means that enforcement will be better, of laws that are clear and well known. I'm not saying dont speed, but if you do, you know full well what you're doing and getting into. Alex. On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: > If you want to be really picky they actually buy Lidar (laser) guns and have > done so for MD. Don't know if they have done it for any other state. > Anyhow, I agree with you. GEICO could be half of what I'm paying now and I > would still not use them. > > Glenn > >Here's my beef with GEICO: > >GEICO buys radar guns for police departments. > >You, a GEICO customer, get written for speed by an officer holding a > >GEICO gun. > >In effect, you just got busted with a gun that YOU paid for. > >Oh, one last thing. The violation gets back to GEICO, and GEICO raises > >your rates. They need to buy more radar guns to protect you from > >maniacs like you. > >Damned slimy, no? From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 14:10:07 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09605 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA29068; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:09:47 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990719140701.0229fcb0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:09:45 -0400 To: Dave Yates From: Troutman Subject: Re: Sounds like discrimination to me... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <37936455.AB19A9C9@radix.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:45 PM 7/19/99 , Dave Yates wrote: > A wise man once told me 'what goes around, comes around' . Remember >those ex traffic cops with testicular cancer a few years back on 60 minutes >? Broke my heart that those radar guns caused them to to be forever.... >how shall we say? orb impaired ? testicularly challenged? testosterone >deficient? >too bad. The gene pool will be forever altered. for the better. IMO - thats a pretty sick opinion to have there Dave. Cops do a whole lot for us besides traffic regulation. Think about that next time you are using their services. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 14:37:47 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA10254 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:35:06 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB0A23@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:35:05 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Yeah, don't forget they keep Dunkin Donuts and every other donut shop in business!!! Please enlighten us on there great service that they ALL do. There might be a few good ones but most suck IMO. Glenn At 01:45 PM 7/19/99 , Dave Yates wrote: > A wise man once told me 'what goes around, comes around' . Remember >those ex traffic cops with testicular cancer a few years back on 60 minutes >? Broke my heart that those radar guns caused them to to be forever.... >how shall we say? orb impaired ? testicularly challenged? testosterone >deficient? >too bad. The gene pool will be forever altered. for the better. IMO - thats a pretty sick opinion to have there Dave. Cops do a whole lot for us besides traffic regulation. Think about that next time you are using their services. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 14:51:28 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA10520 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:48:47 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB0A25@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:48:43 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) So I guess you go 60 on the Beltway? I'm surprised you haven't been in more accidents. The average speed on the Beltway is about 70. Do you think you are being "safer" going 10 MPH slower then the rest of traffic? Not hardly. Traffic enforcement on rural roads for the most part is nothing but a money maker IMO. I will agree in residential areas that speed enforcement is necessary so people don't get run over but on Interstates it a joke. One a personal note as to your theory of going slower is safer. I've been in one auto accident in my 13 years of driving. Needless to say I was following a friend on a divided highway (55 zone) with the cruise set for right about 55 when I was struck by a little old lady pulling out of a gas station. If I had been by myself I would have been doing 65 - 70 and not in that same spot. Glenn >One can make the case that if _they_ do not speed, or drive like a prick, >maybe they have no issue with an insurance company that busts speeders? >I used to drive like an ass. Two accidents and two tickets later (over the >span of 4 years) I chilled out. 5 over at most, etc, etc. I find myself >more laid back and a lot less worried. This is a personal choice _I_ made, >because I was tired of being in wrecks (smaller margin of safety) and >getting tickets... >Not trying to be all preachy and self-righteous, but you make a conscious >choice to speed. Don't blame the tooth fairy, cops, geico, or anyone else, >for the consequences that happen. And Geico giving money to cops just >means that enforcement will be better, of laws that are clear and well >known. I'm not saying dont speed, but if you do, you know full well what >you're doing and getting into. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 15:01:32 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10752 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:01:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:01:17 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:01:14 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > IMO - thats a pretty sick opinion to have there Dave. Cops > do a whole lot > for us besides traffic regulation. Think about that next time > you are using > their services. > You mean like having them tell you that they don't really give a f%^k that you got nailed from behind.. and that you should expect it while riding a motorcycle? Oh, this isn't one instance.. most cops I've had the displeasure of dealing with in the Mid-Atlantic area need to go the route of a Darwin Award. Brian McCoy p.s. for those of you who don't know what the Darwin Awards are... it's something put out yearly that describes the overly ignorant and how they killed/maimed themselves. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 15:06:02 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1103.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.123]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA10831 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990719190519.6332.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1103.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:05:19 EDT Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:05:19 -0400 (EDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... To: "'DC Cycles'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii do you ever interact with cops other than getting a ticket? Years ago, in Boston, I was a volunteer victim advocate, which involved a fair amount of interaction with local police departments, and while there are jerks, it left me with a much more favorable impression of the profession than I'd had before. Your average cop is a hard working person who risks his or her life to keep you safe. Don't whine because they don't let people play speed racer on public roads. And if you think people getting cancer while doing their jobs is funny, well, I don't really know what to say to you. My last word on the subject, I have no interest in a big flame war. --- "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" wrote: > Yeah, don't forget they keep Dunkin Donuts and every > other donut shop in > business!!! Please enlighten us on there great > service that they ALL do. > There might be a few good ones but most suck IMO. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 15:16:45 1999 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA11053 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 19 Jul 1999 19:16:35 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA07423 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:16:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:16:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply In-Reply-To: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB0A25@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: > So I guess you go 60 on the Beltway? I'm surprised you haven't been in more > accidents. The average speed on the Beltway is about 70. Do you think you > are being "safer" going 10 MPH slower then the rest of traffic? Not hardly. > Traffic enforcement on rural roads for the most part is nothing but a money > maker IMO. I will agree in residential areas that speed enforcement is > necessary so people don't get run over but on Interstates it a joke. I dont really drive on the beltway during rush hour. My commute is non-highway (15 mi), but I generally go 5 over. Not saying that its not more sometimes... > One a personal note as to your theory of going slower is safer. Nono. I drive slower to avoid tickets. Not to be safer. I no longer drive like an _ass_ to be safer. I used to do retarded crap. 70 around a blind corner (where I hit some lady that was pulling out) in my development, racing down the equiv. of rt 50 at ~100 mph. Driving home drunk. Just plain out stupid things. > I've been in one auto accident in my 13 years of driving. Needless to say I was > following a friend on a divided highway (55 zone) with the cruise set for > right about 55 when I was struck by a little old lady pulling out of a gas > station. If I had been by myself I would have been doing 65 - 70 and not in > that same spot. > > Glenn I think of speeding as a form of voluntary tax. It's random whether you'll get caught or not, but you certainly elect to pay it. Alex. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 15:19:29 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1101.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA11071 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990719191845.15431.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1101.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:18:45 EDT Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:18:45 -0400 (EDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply To: "'DC Cycles'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What time of day do you drive on the Beltway? Anytime near rush hour, the average speed is more like 50 at best. Or do you mean average speed in the left lane? You'll get no argument that people who poke around in the left lane are being idiots. --- "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" wrote: > So I guess you go 60 on the Beltway? I'm surprised > you haven't been in more > accidents. The average speed on the Beltway is > about 70. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 15:27:47 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA11258 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:27:46 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id PAA02234; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:28:14 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma027879; Mon, 19 Jul 99 15:24:15 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FF400HT9U05OO@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567B3.006A70EA ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:22:37 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:21:46 -0400 Subject: Pilot Leathers - Opinions? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567B3.006A692B.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Hi all. I'm going to buy some leathers soon and was hoping for some opinions from the list. I'll be buying two-piece leathers, preferably ones that zip together but don't look strange when worn seperately. Also, the more perforations the better. I've temporarily narrowed my search to Pilot leathers (http://www.pilotusa.com). Their perforated jacket only comes in black, however. Their pants don't have perfs either. Other than those minor (IMO) quibbles, they seem like nice items. Any thoughts? Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 18:41:37 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA14804 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:41:36 -0400 (EDT) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.25) id vFRIa27986 (582); Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:38:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6d96bf1.24c502eb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:38:35 EDT Subject: Re: Pilot Leathers - Opinions? To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 I recently purchased Teknic leather jacket. The front is perfed nicely with two zippered vents in the back. I found it on sale at Valley Cycle near Winchester for about $250. I am satisfied to the point that will probably go ahead and get the pants also. Bob From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 18:57:33 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA15111 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:57:29 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.25) id vLOHa09355 (8018); Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:55:38 EDT Subject: Re: Helmet Music & CD Player To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 In a message dated 7/19/1999 9:49:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX writes: << Maybe I'll try strapping it to my leg like someone mentioned. So far the tankbag is the best solution, but you can't get to the buttons easily and sometimes I don't want to take the bag with me. Chris Weaver 98 VTR 1000 >> Around the leg works great. Full access to the buttons and you can see it easily. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 19:15:42 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA15464 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 19:15:40 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.25) id vACZa27410 (8018); Mon, 19 Jul 1999 19:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 19:12:45 EDT Subject: Re: Pilot Leathers - Opinions? To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 In a message dated 7/19/1999 3:35:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX writes: << I'm going to buy some leathers soon and was hoping for some opinions from the list. I'll be buying two-piece leathers, preferably ones that zip together but don't look strange when worn seperately. Also, the more perforations the better. >> Have you checked out Colleen's site (www.leatherexchange.com) or www.newenough.com. Both sell used leathers that are perfectly fine. I got a pair of pants from Colleen and a one-piece from new-enough. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 21:31:36 1999 Return-Path: blasalle@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA17850 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 21:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bellatlantic.net (client-151-200-119-17.bellatlantic.net [151.200.119.17]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA13417; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 21:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3793D06C.1F241DBB@bellatlantic.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 21:27:09 -0400 From: Brian & Christa LaSalle Reply-To: blasalle@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Sunday's Running of the Squids Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Went down to RFK Sunday, damn hot. Some nice bikes, lots of very expensive paint jobs both on the bikes and the helmets. Lots of chicken stripes, wide ones. As Dan observed, it's a real shame to see Duc 996's with squared off back tires. A few wheelie monsters, (the best being the guys on the dual purpose bikes) couple of nice burnouts, occasional stoppie, most everyone was wearing helmets except one dude on a blue ZX9R, (almost no one was wearing leathers). Lots of standing around and quite a bit of polishing. Everybody was nice enough and no accidents were observed despite having 2 bikes wheelieing at each other on a sandy patchwork access road. Then everyone formed up for a ride to Baltimore's Inner Harbor and we decided that was enough and headed for safer roads. Sounds like we avoided a madhouse. I don't think a joint DC Cycles / DC Sportbike Riders ride is a good idea...... Brian Yellow Nighthawk Quoted from DC Sportbike Riders: Re: The shoot!! ONE_BAD_ZX11 07/19/1999 02:24 pm EDT My wife and I went down to RFK at about 2:00pm on Sunday. There were quite a few bikes there all watching a couple of guys doing wheelies, burnouts, etc. Nothing exciting really. At some point we decided to take a ride up to Baltimore. There was a couple of guys in a pickup truck videoing the bikes behind them as we rode through the city. It was hot as hell. My bike was damn near overheating. Thank god for Redline Water Wetter. Anyway we headed out east Capitol towards the beltway. We picked up a police escort along the way until we hit the Maryland line. From there it was complete bedlum. When we hit the beltway it was every man/woman for themselves. We got on Route 50 and things got worse. Guys were dodging in and out of unusually heavy traffic. At the Route 3/301 exit a Maryland State Trooper decided to try and pull all 100+ bikes over...Not a good idea. From what I heard the cop started to freak some of the riders out somewhere near the Davidsonville exit which caused someone to abruptly hit their brakes causing another rider to run into their back tire. Next thing you know some guy on a yellow/black/purple and white 900RR was laying face down on the pavement. That's where the story ended for me. I had seen 2 riders go down in less than 1 hour riding at relatively slow speeds. The first rider I saw go down was riding a red CBR 600F2 I think with paper tags. He went down as we came out of the RFK parking lot and turned on to Benning Road. Looked like he ran into one of those orange pylons. For my wifes safety as well as mine we decided to go home...It was hot as hell anyway. It was probably a bad idea to try and ride 100+ sportbikes without a police escort and some rider instructions. Hopefully we will all learn something from this. Seems like when we all get together someone goes down. Instead of focusing our efforts on being the fastest...Maybe we should begin to focus some of our efforts on rider safety and riding as a group. Just a thought. Sorry for the long story. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 23:11:37 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA19317 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 23:11:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.25) id 2OYSa10256 (4454) for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 23:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 23:10:33 EDT Subject: Re: Pilot Leathers - Opinions? - Motorcycle Leather Exchange To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 I have to chime in here and give praise where praise is due. A few weeks back I bought a brand new set of Joe Rocket leather pants...I think after everything was said and done, I paid $226, and got the chance to try them on and ride around in them before buying....prices competative with mail order with greater flexibility and convenience. It was also nice dealing with a friendly, knowledgable staff with a real face connected to it. (And a real door to knock on should anything go wrong...which hasn't.) I would recommend at least poking through Colleen's site. (She's a fellow lister to boot!) Find her wares at http://members.aol.com/motorle/index.html -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000R From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 06:45:21 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA27857 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 06:45:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 06:42:35 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB0A2F@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 06:42:50 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sure have dealt with the cops where I wasn't ticketed. About ten years ago some guy hopped up on drugs and alcohol wiped out three of our cars parked in front of our house (Crown Vic). I asked the cop if the paramedics where going to do a drug and alcohol test on the guy. He told me yes, and blah blah blah. So I keep calling the cop asking him what happened. He tells me the guy was hopped up on prescription drugs, passed out at the wheel and that's what caused him to lose control. So I asked him what charges were being filed. His answer, None, because nobody saw it. I then told him I had been in the car 10 minutes beforehand and what if I was in the car and got killed? His answer, "that would be different". Mind you no one would have seen the accident if I had been killed either. So I spoke to my friend who is an attorney in Fairfax and he can't understand why the guy didn't get charged either. I know why, cause (most) cops are worthless. So do you need more incidents? I can tell you more. Oh and the cop had told me at the scene that they were looking for this guy because he had threatened to commit suicide earlier that night. Glenn >do you ever interact with cops other than getting a >ticket? From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 06:49:10 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA27877 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 06:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 06:46:28 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB0A30@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 06:46:43 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I'm talking your average speed throughout the day. Obviously during rush hour people can't do 70 in SOME spots of the Beltway. Get over in PG county on the Beltway and that average seems to rise to about 75 or 80. And yes, the right line too. very rarely do I ever see anyone doing 60 or below on the Beltway in ANY of the lanes. Glenn >What time of day do you drive on the Beltway? Anytime >near rush hour, the average speed is more like 50 at >best. Or do you mean average speed in the left lane? >You'll get no argument that people who poke around in >the left lane are being idiots. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 07:17:48 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA28386 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 07:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 07:15:01 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB0A34@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 07:15:14 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) >I dont really drive on the beltway during rush hour. My commute is >non-highway (15 mi), but I generally go 5 over. Not saying that its not >more sometimes... Seems reasonable >Nono. I drive slower to avoid tickets. Not to be safer. I no longer drive >like an _ass_ to be safer. I used to do retarded crap. 70 around a blind >corner (where I hit some lady that was pulling out) in my development, >racing down the equiv. of rt 50 at ~100 mph. Driving home drunk. Just >plain out stupid things. Makes sense. Although I was just talking plain speeding, not excessive (like 30 over). >I think of speeding as a form of voluntary tax. It's random whether you'll >get caught or not, but you certainly elect to pay it. Agreed and I don't mind getting a ticket (that I deserve) as long as the cops don't lie (which I've had happen) and act stupid. I've noticed the State Police at least to be the most honest and properly trained. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 09:09:39 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f87.hotmail.com [209.185.131.150]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA00526 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 99162 invoked by uid 0); 20 Jul 1999 13:09:01 -0000 Message-ID: <19990720130901.99161.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.229.31.22 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 06:09:01 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.229.31.22] Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX From: "Leon Begeman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 06:09:01 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >I'm talking your average speed throughout the day. 66 miles per day divided by 24 hours is 2.75 mph. If I only count the commuting time, 66/1.75 is still only 37.7. Average speed doesn't mean anything in this situation. Only the maximum speed at a given instance is relevant. Even that doesn't mean anything, since in court, the truth is whatever the judge wants it to be. A related matter. After observing what's happening on the HOV lanes for a few days now (rather than actively participating) I have come to the conclusion that especially in Fairfax County, the HOV lanes are strictly a revenue generating facility. If it were about safety, the cops would be in different places doing different things. Observation: A County motorcycle officer parked on the left shoulder facing traffic without any lights on. A State Patrol car passing traffic at a high rate of speed, without lights on. The same State Patrol car only a couple minutes later parked on the right shoulder in the darkest part under an overpass still without lights. A State Patrol car making a U-turn from the left lane of southbound I-95 into the left lane of the northbound HOV lanes without lights on. Several State Patrol Cars And of course, the cars that sit on the exits (the flyover just past Newington in the morning and Rt1 near the Occoquan River at night) to catch people that can't count to three. If it were about safety, they would sit on the on-ramps to prevent the people who can't count to three from getting on. If it were about safety, they would sit in a location that is easy to see to slow the traffic down. If it were about safety, they would use blue lights when doing unsafe things in front of oncoming traffic. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 09:26:29 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00956 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA15627 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA13266 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mo3980r1.ems.att.com ([135.38.12.14]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id JAA03902 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh1.ems.att.com by mo3980r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id JAA14262; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:25:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh1.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <366TV18G>; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:26:08 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE0135F8DD@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Carver, John M, BGM" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Boycott of Dunkin' Donuts??? Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:25:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Hey I recently read off the VFR list that a DD franchise owner is banning all motorcyclists from his store in Albany, NY. Before I shoot my mouth off to the DD corporate site, I thought I would solicit the collective wisdom of the DC cycles list crowd to see what y'all think. http://www.bolt-of-pa.com/boycott/index.html <-- visit here to see the information for yourself. Sorry, but sometimes I am suspicious of the validity of Internet information; I was bitten in the past ;-) It may not mean much around here in the DC metro area, but where I'm from in NJ, Dunkin' Donuts shops are like Jersey Walls. Maybe I'll start going to Starbucks more often. later . . . John 98VFR From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 09:29:23 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web1105.mail.yahoo.com (web1105.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.125]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01104 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:29:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990720132823.4226.rocketmail@web1105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1105.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:28:23 EDT Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:28:23 -0400 (EDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii actually, in the case of HOV enforcement, I don't think it's about safety, it's about encouraging carpooling. --- Leon Begeman wrote: [stuff about HOV] === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 09:51:04 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01532 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:51:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:52:05 -0400 Message-Id: <199907200952.AA11665730@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "DC Cycles" Subject: FWD: PW Journal (Editorial) July 20th X-Mailer: DC Dirtbikers take note: A grassroots campaign is starting in Prince William County to find an official place to ride off highway vehicles. Their (our) next meeting is Thursday, the 22nd (I'll post more info on that later). If you have an ATV/dirtbike and want a legal place to ride in the area, you might want to show up and cheer these folks on. I certainly will be doing so. :) Dale (the politically active Horkster) (no dirtbike yet) ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: PWORC@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 07:03:05 EDT Citizen coalition THE DEBATE SURROUNDING off-road vehicles has recently flared again. But this time organization and cooperation may yield a solution. For about a decade, area off-road vehicle enthusiasts have applied a variation on a squatters' rights theory to acquiring space to enjoy their sport. But as vacant lots suited for the sport have decreased, complaints from neighbors disturbed by the byproducts of flying dust and roaring engines have increased. Off-road vehicle is the umbrella term that includes dirt bikes, all-terrain vehicles and dual-purpose motorcycles. Worried that the local future of off-roading is at risk, devotees Joyce Entremont and John Meyer are organizing riders into the Prince William Off-Road Coalition. Once leadership is established in each magisterial district, Meyer and Entremont plan to file for a charter with the American Motorcycle Association. The first fruits of the grass-roots group is a missive from the Prince William Board of County Supervisors directing county staff to examine a section of land at the Prince William landfill as a potential ride park. A report is expected next month. If approved, the designated section of public property would provide an officially sanctioned venue for riders, free from fear of citations by police. Currently, it is against a county ordinance for riders to use county property for sport or to ride on private property sans permission. It's good to see county residents and officials working together to create a legal place for off-road vehicles. And we heartily approve plans to expand the sport to include at-risk juveniles as a way of keeping them out of trouble. But several assurances must be in place prior to approval. Above all else, the sport must be safe for both adults and children. Because government should never condone reckless behavior, the top of the safety checklist must require participants to wear helmets. The coalition and area law enforcement must assure compliance. Additionally, the ride park should not generate a burdensome amount of noise to surrounding homes. Sufficient buffers and/or limits on the maximum numbers of riders at one time would achieve the goal. Off-roading is enjoying a resurgence of popularity as a family-friendly sport. So long as safety precautions are upheld, the environment isn't unduly harmed and neighbors aren't forced to wear earplugs in their living rooms, the county should allow riders in designated public areas. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 09:54:20 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01550 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:54:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA15804 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1102.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.122]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA13924 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990720135347.15331.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1102.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:53:47 EDT Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:53:47 -0400 (EDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Boycott of Dunkin' Donuts??? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Interesting, anybody know if it's the DD at Lark & Madison? From my Albany days, I remember that they were real sticklers about anyone parking in their lot while not in the shop... there was normally a tow truck sitting in the lot waiting. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 10:01:05 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01745 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A11890901B2; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:00:56 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990720094635.00be9a20@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:01:37 -0400 To: "Carver, John M, BGM" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Boycott of Dunkin' Donuts??? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE0135F8DD@vae820po01.nova.a tt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:25 AM 7/20/99 , you wrote: >Hey I recently read off the VFR list that a DD franchise owner is banning >all motorcyclists from his store in Albany, NY. > >Before I shoot my mouth off to the DD corporate site, I thought I would >solicit the collective wisdom of the DC cycles list crowd to see what y'all >think. http://www.bolt-of-pa.com/boycott/index.html <-- visit here to see >the information for yourself. Could be true, but it seems a little odd. First, a Dunkin Donuts is actually supposed to be a mecca for yuppies and the upwardly mobile? That doesn't sound like any Dunkin Donuts I've ever seen. Second, has there been some trouble? While generally a restaurant can refuse service to anyone, I'd think it odd to ban an entire "class" of customers. Anyway, don't yuppies ride fancy Harley's and BMW's? Seems like they'd WANT people like that. Third, I notice that someone who calls himself "Animal" has posted several comments at http://www.bolt-of-pa.com/wwwboard/index.html If customers were acting like "animals" perhaps that's part of the problem. BOLT (Bikers of Lesser Tolerance) of PA, the sister organization of BOLT of NY who's calling for the boycott says on their website - "No compromise, no politically correctness, and no BS. We are not an MRO (Motorcycle Rights Organization), nor are we a charity-feeding group of weekend riders. We want to ride helmetless, and we do. Period. We answer to no group, we tell no group what to do. We are very active, politically and otherwise, publicly and secretly. We have no rules, except those we chose to follow." from http://www.bolt-of-pa.com/index.html Sure would like to hear from more people around that area, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 10:06:43 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01903 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA15890 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA14153 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A26834640120; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:06:32 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990720100641.00bf1100@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:07:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Boycott of Dunkin' Donuts??? In-Reply-To: <19990720135347.15331.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:53 AM 7/20/99 , John Whiteside wrote: >Interesting, anybody know if it's the DD at Lark & >Madison? From my Albany days, I remember that they >were real sticklers about anyone parking in their lot >while not in the shop... there was normally a tow >truck sitting in the lot waiting. On http://www.bolt-of-pa.com/boltny/index.html it looks like it's at Lark and Jefferson. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 10:07:18 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01905 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:07:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FF600CKK9S4CH@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:04:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA21492; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:03:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990720140450.VDSJ3540@toddnt>; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:04:50 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:03:02 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply In-reply-to: <19990720132823.4226.rocketmail@web1105.mail.yahoo.com> To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000401bed2b8$94f210e0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Regardless of what you think John, one of a patrolmans primary duties is to promote safety. This applies across the board, HOV, whatever. One of Leons observations I have often wondered about as well is the fact that the police wait at off ramps to ticket offenders of the HOV rules. It is somewhat satisfying to me to see people getting nicked for the violation of carrying less than 3 people, but at the same time it is all to obvious that this offense wouldn't be a problem if the police parked at the 'on-ramps'. But as Leon noted, it's about revenue not about discouraging the scofflaws. The fact that the police have been practicing this sort of 'enforcement' policy for years should make it clear that it has done nothing to encourage carpooling. Todd John Whiteside wrote: > > > actually, in the case of HOV enforcement, I don't > think it's about safety, it's about encouraging > carpooling. > > --- Leon Begeman wrote: > [stuff about HOV] > > === > John Whiteside > Arlington, VA > jwhiteside@XXXXXX > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 10:11:02 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1104.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.124]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA01935 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990720141106.28163.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1104.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:11:06 EDT Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:11:06 -0400 (EDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Todd Peer wrote: > Regardless of what you think John, one of a > patrolmans primary duties is to > promote safety. This applies across the board, HOV, > whatever. I agree, and I think you're right about on-ramps vs off-ramps. From what I've seen on 66, strangely enough, it seems to be the on-ramps where they hang out. Of course it's different story when the whole road is HOV rather than just one or two lanes... on the toll road they hang out on the left throughout the road. (You can't tell where someone is going to go when they are entering.) > The fact that the police have been > practicing this sort of > 'enforcement' policy for years should make it clear > that it has done nothing > to encourage carpooling. Actually the DC area has one of the highest rates of carpooling in the nation. Human nature being what it is, if you are going to have HOV you are going to have to have enforcement forever; stop, and people will start breaking the rules. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 10:44:06 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02559 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA16153 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1101.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.121]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA15047 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990720144325.5681.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1101.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:43:25 EDT Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:43:25 -0400 (EDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Boycott of Dunkin' Donuts??? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Interesting.... it's the one I'm thinking of (it's been over 10 years so my Albany geography is off). Their big issue always seemed to be that they are right in an area with horrible street parking (worse than in most of DC) and lots of nightlife & people would try to park there to go other places. The owner had a reputation for being kind of a jerk (to everyone). As I recall it was a pretty run down DD, as DDs go. --- Chris Norloff wrote: > At 09:53 AM 7/20/99 , John Whiteside wrote: > >Interesting, anybody know if it's the DD at Lark & > >Madison? From my Albany days, I remember that they > >were real sticklers about anyone parking in their > lot > >while not in the shop... there was normally a tow > >truck sitting in the lot waiting. > > > On http://www.bolt-of-pa.com/boltny/index.html it > looks like it's at Lark > and Jefferson. > > Chris Norloff === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 10:48:12 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02648 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id AC299B501C4; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:48:09 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990720103357.00bb0890@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:45:40 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply In-Reply-To: <000401bed2b8$94f210e0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <19990720132823.4226.rocketmail@web1105.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:03 AM 7/20/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >One of Leons observations I have often wondered about as well is the fact >that the police wait at off ramps to ticket offenders of the HOV rules. It >is somewhat satisfying to me to see people getting nicked for the violation >of carrying less than 3 people, but at the same time it is all to obvious >that this offense wouldn't be a problem if the police parked at the >'on-ramps'. But as Leon noted, it's about revenue not about discouraging >the scofflaws. Well it's certainly about hitting people where it hurts - their wallet. A $20 fine wouldn't be much disincentive. A fine up to $500 is enough to wake up even a jaded SUV-yuppie. If there were officers at all on-ramps there would be no HOV violaters on the HOV lanes, but the current sentiment of anti-tax and reduced-government means fewer police officers, not more. Based on my observations of I-66 inside the beltway, I think the officers choose locations for where they can stop out of sight until it's too late, and where it's safe for them to be stopped and safe for the violaters to pull over. I've seen officers on entrance ramps as well as exit ramps. But they're not going to stop in full sight, that would be kind of stupid. In addition, I should think it would be easier to get a conviction if the violater is caught exiting rather than entering the HOV lanes. This is certainly the case on part of I-66 westbound where violaters can say they're actually going to Dulles Airport (legally). HOV lanes can be argued, but the net effect is to make it easier to commute for those who choose something other than one-person-one-car. With the second worst traffic in the country and doomed to get worse, it's too bad there are people who are still fighting this one part of the solution. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 10:48:48 1999 Return-Path: altaanc@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f308.hotmail.com [207.82.251.221]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA02651 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 55693 invoked by uid 0); 20 Jul 1999 14:48:10 -0000 Message-ID: <19990720144810.55692.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.164.237.175 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 07:48:10 PDT X-Originating-IP: [216.164.237.175] From: "Altaan Choudhry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 07:48:10 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Does anybody on this list ride a Yellow Triumph Daytona. If you do, nice ride on I66 yesterday evening. --Altaan Choudhry 9D6 FiZzeR _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 11:34:27 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03544 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA16686 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.wheatintl.com (smtp.wheatintl.com [209.249.185.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA16340 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture.wheatintl.com [209.249.185.69]) by smtp.wheatintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA16118 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:34:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990720113318.01afd030@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:34:19 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Troutman Subject: Non-bike relaed...need BGP/Linux help Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anyone out there know someone that will consult with me on Linux gated BGP4? I need help ASAP....name your price. _________________________________________ Michael J. Troutman Network Development Manager Wheat International Communications Corporation Reston, Virginia 703.262.9172 dir 703.262.9130 fax Indecision is the key to flexibility. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 11:39:02 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03632 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:38:19 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: It's official.. Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:38:08 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) The SV is now an available bike... so my first USED SV for sale today... less than 1,000 miles, $4000/OBO. It's even fairly local (Annapolis, MD).... damn, and I was planning on buying a truck/van... might have to reevaluate (yea, I need to own another bike... right) Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 13:07:37 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05148 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:06:58 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Helmet Sound & Amps Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:06:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Found the page I was looking for: http://www.ultranet.com/~peloqun Bob Peloquin Monster Amp personal stereo amplifiers His amp is more powerful than either the Headbanger or the Boosteroo and accepts multiple inputs, e.g. CB, radio, and radar detector uh, but not in VA Good news: I know Bob; he's conscientious and I've heard good things about his amps. Bad news: He custom makes each amp and it's good riding weather (bad soldering weather). Good news: he's posted Instructions for the Honda VFR750 H4 headlight conversion Good news: the site is worth looking at if you're interested in old Magna posters (hubba hubba). Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 13:36:32 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05790 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erols.com (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA19707; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3794B281.715F19E0@erols.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:31:45 -0400 From: Kirt Senser X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-RR061898 (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cbr@XXXXXX Subject: Sunday's "Running of the Squids" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I noticed a couple e-mails about this past weekend. I was up there on sunday, but haven't really had a chance to sit down and tell of my experiences. So, here it goes... First off, it was hotter than hell. Second, while they did have free water, free food and soda was not available (like it was stated to be in the various announcements about the event). Oh well... I was thinking at least I'll get to see some cool stuff. As I'm sure many of you know, the parking lot of RFK (like all things in DC) is CRAP. Very bumpy, grass growing in the crack, gravel everywhere... etc., etc. So, after sitting around for an hour waiting for more bikes (and the people organizing it), finally some people started doing wheelies on the access road. Most of them (not that I'm one to talk...yet), were crappy at doing wheelies... However, the guys on dirt bikes were pulling some pretty cool ones on the bumpy roads. A few sport bikes got the front wheel up here and there, but mostly these little dirt bikes stole the show. Then, it was decided that we should roll out to Baltimore harbor (for some reason). My encounters on the way were a little different than some of the other listers... After being escorted through DC by the police, they let us loose on the road. I (mostly) just hung out around the jeep that had the camera guy in it, because I neither have the power or ability (yet) to do wheelies at 70+ mph on the highway, and because the jeep wasn't speeding too bad. I did do a couple back off a little, blow by the jeep at 120 mph when traffic opened up, but that was the extent of my squidly behavior in front of the camera. However, I saw some other people do some REALLY cool stuff. This fella Tom, riding a new R1, who I met when I got there (he was putting on his new steering dampener), is the Wheelie King. He pulled some of the coolest, most under control wheelies I've seen in a while. HIGH, HIGH, balance point wheelies for as long as he wanted to hold them up. Did all the standard stuff, side-saddle, one hand, standing on the pegs, etc. etc. But he looked the best, and I'm sure he will be quite the highlight of the video. Any ways, as we are going down 50 a MD state trooper pulls around us on the shoulder, and gets in front of the main "pack" of bikes. There were a smaller group of maybe 20 riders farther ahead, but I guess he wasn't worried about them. So, he starts slowing down. At first many people, myself included, thought that maybe he was an escort like we had in DC. As a few bikes started to pass him, he began WEAVING back and forth in an effort to dissuade people from leaving (maybe he was waiting for backup to arrive before pulling all of us over). So, as he is doing his weaving bit, about 15 of us drop off an exit ramp heading towards Bowie. The lead rider, realizing that he took the southbound exit hopped the median, and we all followed suit. This, and my 120+ mph passes, were my only illegal activities for the day. So, we made our way throughout the Bowie area, and miraculously ended up meeting up with our group on Rt. 97 heading into Baltimore, after some spirited back roads riding. As we are rolling up 97, I notice traffic has stopped ahead. Naturally begin slowing down. I think it's an accident, actually it's a ROADBLOCK. MD State troopers rolled up next to us and began directing people to the side. They pulled over everyone I think, well over 100 bikes. After a license and registration check (I think a few bikes were impounded and people arrested), we got the don't ride in such huge groups and be safe lecture (testament that cops are cool, unless people gave them lip, they were all *really* nice and understanding). So they let us leave in small groups. The rest of the trip into Baltimore, sitting around in the harbor talking shit (read : annoying squids), and the return into the most ghetto neighborhood in all of DC was fairly uneventful. I left soon after arriving back in DC. So, the unofficial totals were 3 accidents, 2 arrests, and 3 impounded motorcycles (I believe). First accident was a guy that rear ended another bike. He went down, and aside from trashing his bike, heard that he was ok. Another guy supposedly rear ended a car at 110, and got pretty f*%$ed up. And lastly, someone ran off the road and into a ditch on 295. He appeared ok when I rode past. He was standing outside the ambulance. All in all, an OK day...I guess. Keep an eye out for the video, I'm the ONLY guy on a bone-stock Yellow/Black/White/Purple 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR (wearing my un-PC black helmet). Kirt 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va 703-523-7744 (pager/voice-mail) PS - If anyone wants to ride, lemme know :-) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 13:59:00 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06257 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:58:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A8DF957A00AC; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:58:55 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990720135817.00bba6c0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:59:27 -0400 To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCy'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Helmet Sound & Amps In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:06 PM 7/20/99 , Custer, Carl wrote: > Found the page I was looking for: > http://www.ultranet.com/~peloqun > Bob Peloquin > Monster Amp personal stereo amplifiers I'm getting a "Bad Request" on www.ultranet.com (and www.ultranet.org and www.ultranet.net also). Does that address work okay for you? thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 14:13:41 1999 Return-Path: schelzig@XXXXXX Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu (research.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.250]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA06533 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17116; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:15:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Erik Schelzig To: Kirt Senser cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cbr@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday's "Running of the Squids" In-Reply-To: <3794B281.715F19E0@erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, Kirt Senser wrote: > As we are rolling up 97, I notice traffic has stopped ahead. Naturally > begin slowing down. I think it's an accident, actually it's a > ROADBLOCK. MD State troopers rolled up next to us and began directing > people to the side. They pulled over everyone I think, well over 100 > bikes. After a license and registration check (I think a few bikes were > impounded and people arrested), we got the don't ride in such huge > groups and be safe lecture (testament that cops are cool, unless people > gave them lip, they were all *really* nice and understanding). So they > let us leave in small groups. I assume you are being sarcastic in your assesment of police niceties? When's the last time 100 cars were pulled over for liscense and registration checks? Probable cause, anyone? Or was it obvious that EVERYONE was speeding? Bests, Erik From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 14:21:42 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA06768 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erols.com (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA08359; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3794BD14.22E14532@erols.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:16:52 -0400 From: Kirt Senser X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-RR061898 (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erik Schelzig , cbr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday's "Running of the Squids" References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No sarcasm. I'm sure there was a few people that supplied the police with probably cause (like the one who rode past them at 100+ on the back wheel the first time a cop tried to block us/slow us down). But, they weren't trying to give us ALL speeding tickets. I think they were just taking advantage of the situation to track down riders with no M class license, bad registration, or other "interesting" records. Kirt Senser 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va 703-523-7744 (pager/voice-mail) Erik Schelzig wrote: > > On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, Kirt Senser wrote: > > > As we are rolling up 97, I notice traffic has stopped ahead. Naturally > > begin slowing down. I think it's an accident, actually it's a > > ROADBLOCK. MD State troopers rolled up next to us and began directing > > people to the side. They pulled over everyone I think, well over 100 > > bikes. After a license and registration check (I think a few bikes were > > impounded and people arrested), we got the don't ride in such huge > > groups and be safe lecture (testament that cops are cool, unless people > > gave them lip, they were all *really* nice and understanding). So they > > let us leave in small groups. > > I assume you are being sarcastic in your assesment of police niceties? > When's the last time 100 cars were pulled over for liscense and > registration checks? Probable cause, anyone? Or was it obvious that > EVERYONE was speeding? > > Bests, > > Erik From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 14:35:30 1999 Return-Path: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com ([198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07041 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:35:29 -0400 (EDT) From: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from OsbornKev@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.25) id 2BQWa27414 (3889) for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9f88c4f9.24c61b16@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:33:58 EDT Subject: Re: Sunday's "Running of the Squids" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 24 Brian, Dan, & Fred ... based on the report from Kirt it looks like we made the right choice. Here's my recap. The 4 of us got down the RFK about 1:45 and proceeded to hang out until about 4:00. What a joke. The event was really hyped up, but in fact was pretty cheesy. Free water, but no t-shirts, food, soda, or anything else. The two guys running the show looked less than organized or professional with their 1980 RCA VHS cam-corder (ok, it might not have been an RCA). There were well over 50 bikes and nothing too spectacular. The R1 Kirt mentioned was able to pull some nice wheelies but the rest of the pack was purely amateur and did not make us feel comfortable standing too close to the road. The guy on the ZX9R without the helmet almost went over backwards and a lot of others whose wheelies were up and down and up and down. Some were even a little out of control. There were a couple of stoppies and minor burnouts. About the time all the bikes started to line up behind the Jeep the four of us decided not to participate. It is just something about guys starting to talk *%&#, then showing off for the camera in groups of 100 riding on public roads that means trouble. And by the sounds of Kirts report (accidents, arrests, impoundments) I'm glad we decided not to follow. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 14:45:54 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07238 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:42:56 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206BEDC@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Sunday's "Running of the Squids" Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:43:17 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) OK, so cops are so cool that they are allowed to tell you to ride in smaller groups? Is there a law that I missed somewhere? I don't remember seeing the law that says you can't have 100+ bikes all ride together. Oh and this still sounds like it was a squidly event to me. Glenn "still don't like most cops" Dysart As we are rolling up 97, I notice traffic has stopped ahead. Naturally begin slowing down. I think it's an accident, actually it's a ROADBLOCK. MD State troopers rolled up next to us and began directing people to the side. They pulled over everyone I think, well over 100 bikes. After a license and registration check (I think a few bikes were impounded and people arrested), we got the don't ride in such huge groups and be safe lecture (testament that cops are cool, unless people gave them lip, they were all *really* nice and understanding). So they let us leave in small groups. The rest of the trip into Baltimore, sitting around in the harbor talking shit (read : annoying squids), and the return into the most ghetto neighborhood in all of DC was fairly uneventful. I left soon after arriving back in DC. So, the unofficial totals were 3 accidents, 2 arrests, and 3 impounded motorcycles (I believe). First accident was a guy that rear ended another bike. He went down, and aside from trashing his bike, heard that he was ok. Another guy supposedly rear ended a car at 110, and got pretty f*%$ed up. And lastly, someone ran off the road and into a ditch on 295. He appeared ok when I rode past. He was standing outside the ambulance. All in all, an OK day...I guess. Keep an eye out for the video, I'm the ONLY guy on a bone-stock Yellow/Black/White/Purple 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR (wearing my un-PC black helmet). From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 15:09:07 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07646 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FF60001MMGDU5@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:38:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA14900; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:34:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990720183836.ZNOD3540@toddnt>; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:38:36 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:36:46 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Sunday's "Running of the Squids" In-reply-to: <3794B281.715F19E0@erols.com> To: Kirt Senser , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cbr@XXXXXX Message-id: <000f01bed2de$d28c3810$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Kirt, are you making all this up? Don't take any of my comments personally, as the way you've written this makes it sound like you were simply an observer. But I'm having trouble believing any of it. Kirt Senser wrote: > I noticed a couple e-mails about this past weekend. I was up there on > sunday, but haven't really had a chance to sit down and tell of my > experiences. So, here it goes... > > After being escorted through DC by the police, they let us loose on the > road. Choice of wording here is key. The police "let us loose". Imagine this folks. Over 100 rabid squids "let loose" on unsuspecting motorists. Yikes! > I (mostly) just hung out.....This fella Tom, riding a new R1, who I met > when I got there......, is the Wheelie King. He pulled some of the > coolest, most under control wheelies I've seen in a while. HIGH, HIGH, > balance point wheelies for as long as he wanted to > hold them up. Ok, I can appreciate a good HIGH wheelie when it is apparently under control. But I bet the rest of the squids that were "let loose", flushed with the testosterone rush of stupidity probably felt compelled to copy-cat which caused..... > > Any ways, as we are going down 50 a MD state trooper pulls around us on > the shoulder, and gets in front of the main "pack" of bikes. There were > a smaller group of maybe 20 riders farther ahead, but I guess he wasn't > worried about them. So, he starts slowing down. At first many people, > myself included, thought that maybe he was an escort like we had in DC. > As a few bikes started to pass him, he began WEAVING back and forth in > an effort to dissuade people from leaving (maybe he was waiting for > backup to arrive before pulling all of us over). So, as he is doing his > weaving bit, about 15 of us drop off an exit ramp heading towards > Bowie. .... I think it's an accident, actually it's a > ROADBLOCK. MD State troopers rolled up next to us and began directing > people to the side. They pulled over everyone I think, well over 100 > bikes. .....a ROADBLOCK. Jesus Christ I'm glad I wasn't riding with you knuckleheads. > After a license and registration check (I think a few bikes were > impounded and people arrested), we got the don't ride in such huge > groups and be safe lecture (testament that cops are cool, unless people > gave them lip, they were all *really* nice and understanding). This is funny. The cops were nice and understanding. LOL. They understood to put a roadblock up and disband the malcontents that were "let loose" by DC's finest (LOL again). They were nice enough to get you guys going again in smaller numbers so as not too....... > So, the unofficial totals were 3 accidents, 2 arrests, and 3 impounded > motorcycles (I believe). First accident was a guy that rear ended > another bike. He went down, and aside from trashing his bike, heard > that he was ok. Another guy supposedly rear ended a car at 110, and got > pretty f*%$ed up. ....... ram-rod the unsuspecting. Un-real! > And lastly, someone ran off the road and into a ditch > on 295. He appeared ok when I rode past. He was standing outside the > ambulance. All in all, an OK day...I guess. Keep an eye out for the > video, I'm the ONLY guy on a bone-stock Yellow/Black/White/Purple 1996 > CBR 600F3 SJR (wearing my un-PC black helmet). > > Kirt > 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR > Annandale, Va > 703-523-7744 (pager/voice-mail) > > > PS - If anyone wants to ride, lemme know :-) Yeah....right! From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 15:10:09 1999 Return-Path: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07652 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:10:04 -0400 (EDT) From: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from OsbornKev@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.25) id 2DYYa28211 (3889) for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:08:15 EDT Subject: Re: Sunday's "Running of the Squids" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 24 It sounds like a perfectly good trade off to me. No doubt the cops could have given everyone in the pack speeding tickets. And depending on speed and number of wheels on the ground, reckless tickets to others. Some folks would lose their license and maybe their bike. Everyone's wallet would take a hit, some would lose their insurance and everyone's rates would increase. So instead they stop everyone and check for license and insurance and make them ride in smaller groups. No doubt the 100 bikes and riders I saw did not make for safe riding. I don't know about anyone else, but the cops can stop me for anything they like providing they don't ticket me and cause my insurance to increase. I'll make that trade any day of the week. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 15:12:32 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA07746 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 20 Jul 1999 22:11:17 UT Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:09 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Dysart; Glenn B Mr SAM" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:RE: Sunday's "Running of the Squids" Message-ID: <1999072015115435-33df42a1@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii VA "suggests" that riders break up into smaller groups. I perceive it as the law since it's on the exam. One would think that riding in such a large group would cause a problem with traffic, etc. Common sense should tell you that you're going to get busted just on basic principle. Either way you look at it though... these guys had it coming to them. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: RE: Sunday's "Running of the Squids" Author: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX (Dysart; Glenn B Mr SAM) Date: 07/20/1999 2:43 PM OK, so cops are so cool that they are allowed to tell you to ride in smaller groups? Is there a law that I missed somewhere? I don't remember seeing the law that says you can't have 100+ bikes all ride together. Oh and this still sounds like it was a squidly event to me. Glenn "still don't like most cops" Dysart As we are rolling up 97, I notice traffic has stopped ahead. Naturally begin slowing down. I think it's an accident, actually it's a ROADBLOCK. MD State troopers rolled up next to us and began directing people to the side. They pulled over everyone I think, well over 100 bikes. After a license and registration check (I think a few bikes were impounded and people arrested), we got the don't ride in such huge groups and be safe lecture (testament that cops are cool, unless people gave them lip, they were all *really* nice and understanding). So they let us leave in small groups. The rest of the trip into Baltimore, sitting around in the harbor talking shit (read : annoying squids), and the return into the most ghetto neighborhood in all of DC was fairly uneventful. I left soon after arriving back in DC. So, the unofficial totals were 3 accidents, 2 arrests, and 3 impounded motorcycles (I believe). First accident was a guy that rear ended another bike. He went down, and aside from trashing his bike, heard that he was ok. Another guy supposedly rear ended a car at 110, and got pretty f*%$ed up. And lastly, someone ran off the road and into a ditch on 295. He appeared ok when I rode past. He was standing outside the ambulance. All in all, an OK day...I guess. Keep an eye out for the video, I'm the ONLY guy on a bone-stock Yellow/Black/White/Purple 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR (wearing my un-PC black helmet). From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 15:15:59 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07836 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 12:15:07 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 12:06:02 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Chris.. I find flaw with your argument... you're stating that the police are doing things in their saftey (and the peone they do business with)... whereas if they would position themselves in plain sight, the laws wouldn't be broken in the first place. I can see how unmarked cars MIGHT give a driver incentive to slow down (behave)... but an OBVIOUS cop car ALWAYS slows down traffic (wakes them up).... Tis better to be seen and stop the crime from happening than to hide and the punish the offender in my book. Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 15:52:04 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1101.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA08500 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990720195118.9432.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1101.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:51:18 EDT Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:51:18 -0400 (EDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply To: "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Only works if you have a lot of cops in sight everywhere all the time. The potential of getting pulled over by an unmarked car or coming around a curve and getting nailed by the cop they couldn't see does slow people down. And it's a lot cheaper than putting your whole police force out sitting at the side of the road throughout the entire highway system so that people don't speed. --- "McCoy, Brian NAB02" wrote: > Chris.. > > I find flaw with your argument... you're stating > that the police are > doing things in their saftey (and the peone they do > business with)... > whereas if they would position themselves in plain > sight, the laws wouldn't > be broken in the first place. > > I can see how unmarked cars MIGHT give a driver > incentive to slow down > (behave)... but an OBVIOUS cop car ALWAYS slows down > traffic (wakes them > up).... > > > Tis better to be seen and stop the crime from > happening than to hide and the > punish the offender in my book. > > Brian > > === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 16:00:00 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08599 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A53B9A901B2; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:59:55 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990720155113.00bab370@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:58:14 -0400 To: "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:06 PM 7/20/99 , McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: >Chris.. > > I find flaw with your argument... you're stating that the police are >doing things in their saftey (and the peone they do business with)... >whereas if they would position themselves in plain sight, the laws wouldn't >be broken in the first place. Horseshit. Visible marked cars merely get drivers to comply in the direct vicinity of the car (and encourage accidents as idiot drivers slam on their brakes). Hidden cars which can catch the violators work by the threat of a ticket, a delay, and rising insurance rates. >I can see how unmarked cars MIGHT give a driver incentive to slow down >(behave)... but an OBVIOUS cop car ALWAYS slows down traffic (wakes them >up).... Sure, you get a massive slowdown right next to the car, increased liklihood of rear-end collisions, and complete disregard as soon as the drivers are past the cop car. >Tis better to be seen and stop the crime from happening than to hide and the >punish the offender in my book. What do you suggest, a cop car every half-mile? Or do you we should have 55mph pace cars like they did in the '70's? Come on, comply with laws, if you choose not to comply then beware of possible costs. Work to change unreasonable laws. No reason to turn this into a Big Brother reminding everyone of the law at all times. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 16:19:38 1999 Return-Path: djones@XXXXXX Received: from inetmail3.bigyellow.com ([167.241.105.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA08962 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:19:38 -0400 (EDT) From: djones@XXXXXX Received: from inetmail2.bigyellow.com ([167.241.105.101]) by inetmail3.bigyellow.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2607.0) id N906FX8L; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:19:33 -0400 Received: from Lynsmtp1.bigyellow.com (LYNSMTP1 [167.241.105.221]) by inetmail2.bigyellow.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id N9N8JMMJ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:19:34 -0400 Received: by Lynsmtp1.bigyellow.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852567B4.006FA5CA ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:19:29 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: NIRC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567B4.006F5535.00@Lynsmtp1.bigyellow.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:18:40 -0400 Subject: Radio Shack Titanium Pro-25 Hey Todd, How did you mount these ear phones. Thanks, DJ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 16:41:49 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09343 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA32640; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:41:42 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990720164044.021924f0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:41:40 -0400 To: djones@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Radio Shack Titanium Pro-25 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <852567B4.006F5535.00@Lynsmtp1.bigyellow.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:18 PM 7/20/99 , djones@XXXXXX wrote: >Hey Todd, > >How did you mount these ear phones. > >Thanks, DJ Oops, I'm not Todd! Oh well.... The easiest way is to add the scratchy velcro to the back of the speakers. It sticks to the helmet lining and makes for easy removal. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 16:46:44 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09508 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 20 Jul 1999 23:45:32 UT Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:44 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Erik Schelzig" , "ksenser@XXXXXX" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "cbr@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: Sunday's "Running of the Squids" Message-ID: <19990720144450681-33c67d67@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >From what I understand, it is illegal to ride in extremely large groups not to mention that most folks were probably flat freakin' flyin'... looks like they had it coming to them. When I used to street race (cars) a few years back, this was a common occurrence. The police knew what we were doing, we knew that we were breaking the law, and we got what we deserved. Most of us knew to have all of our stuff in order, however. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: Sunday's "Running of the Squids" Author: schelzig@XXXXXX (Erik Schelzig) Date: 07/20/1999 2:15 PM I assume you are being sarcastic in your assesment of police niceties? When's the last time 100 cars were pulled over for liscense and registration checks? Probable cause, anyone? Or was it obvious that EVERYONE was speeding? Bests, Erik From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 16:51:56 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09619 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FF600CL0SFGB2@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:47:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA02793; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:43:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990720204740.BOZN3540@toddnt>; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:47:40 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:45:49 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply In-reply-to: <19990720195118.9432.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX, "'dc'" Message-id: <001301bed2f0$d9af2230$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal I think what Brian was saying was that the mere presence of the cruiser in plain site would accomplish the "supposed" desired outcome, at least for that section of roadway, which is enforcing compliance with the law. I think we all can agree that it would be a ridiculous waste of police resources to simply place cruisers around town to make people slow down. But wait, Arlington County already does this!! In any case, I agree with Brian. A cop sitting in the bushes/shadows/whatever exclaiming GOTCHA to his/her next victem doesn't work either. People see a busy officer and just zoom on by. If they see a NOT busy officer, they slow down. Now isn't that the point? The REAL problem are arbitrary speed limits. As Glenn Dysart already pointed out, nobody travels our beltway at less than 60mph w/o becoming a road hazard. In non-rush hour situations, there is no need for a 55mph limit (unless you are the local gubmn't and you need to finance your latest questionable social program....I digress..). So let's be realistic here. The police are doing a job that they have been instructed to do. Ticket speeders. The speed limits are (purposely?) to low in most cases. It's a racket! Todd John Whiteside [mailto:johncx500@XXXXXX] > Only works if you have a lot of cops in sight > everywhere all the time. The potential of getting > pulled over by an unmarked car or coming around a > curve and getting nailed by the cop they couldn't see > does slow people down. And it's a lot cheaper than > putting your whole police force out sitting at the > side of the road throughout the entire highway system > so that people don't speed. > > --- "McCoy, Brian NAB02" > wrote: > > Chris.. > > > > I find flaw with your argument... you're stating > > that the police are > > doing things in their saftey (and the peone they do > > business with)... > > whereas if they would position themselves in plain > > sight, the laws wouldn't > > be broken in the first place. > > > > I can see how unmarked cars MIGHT give a driver > > incentive to slow down > > (behave)... but an OBVIOUS cop car ALWAYS slows down > > traffic (wakes them > > up).... > > > > > > Tis better to be seen and stop the crime from > > happening than to hide and the > > punish the offender in my book. > > > > Brian > > > > > > === > John Whiteside > Arlington, VA > jwhiteside@XXXXXX > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 16:55:06 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09662 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FF600E19SN7AL@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:52:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA06460; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:53:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990720205219.BQYY3540@toddnt>; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:52:19 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:50:28 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Radio Shack Titanium Pro-25 In-reply-to: <852567B4.006F5535.00@Lynsmtp1.bigyellow.com> To: djones@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001501bed2f1$8005fd20$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal I mounted mine in a SHOEI Duo-Tec. Had to pull the cloth and used a soldering iron to melt away the styrofoam. Take careful measurements. Most helmets have a round indentation in the styrofoam where speakers can go. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: djones@XXXXXX [mailto:djones@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 4:19 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Radio Shack Titanium Pro-25 > > > Hey Todd, > > How did you mount these ear phones. > > Thanks, DJ > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 16:59:21 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay03.mcit.com (omzrelay03.mcit.com [199.249.19.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09736 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38418) with ESMTP id <0FF6001PNSN6HB@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:52:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA02722; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:48:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990720205217.BQYS3540@toddnt>; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:52:17 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:50:27 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply In-reply-to: <4.2.0.58.19990720155113.00bab370@mail.toward.com> To: Chris Norloff , "'dc'" Message-id: <001401bed2f1$7f2e88e0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 3:58 PM > To: 'dc' > Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply > > > At 03:06 PM 7/20/99 , McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > >Chris.. > > > > I find flaw with your argument... you're stating that > the police are > >doing things in their saftey (and the peone they do business with)... > >whereas if they would position themselves in plain sight, the > laws wouldn't > >be broken in the first place. > > Horseshit. > > Visible marked cars merely get drivers to comply in the direct > vicinity of > the car (and encourage accidents as idiot drivers slam on their > brakes). Hidden cars which can catch the violators work by the > threat of a > ticket, a delay, and rising insurance rates. So instead of actually working to slow traffic (every good little citizens duty) by being visible, our authorities are reduced to threatening us. Btw, rubberneckers cause traffic problems too. How many times have you wondered why traffic has slowed just to find out it was somebody being cited on the side of the road? > > > >I can see how unmarked cars MIGHT give a driver incentive to slow down > >(behave)... but an OBVIOUS cop car ALWAYS slows down traffic (wakes them > >up).... > > Sure, you get a massive slowdown right next to the car, increased > liklihood > of rear-end collisions, and complete disregard as soon as the drivers are > past the cop car. Doesn't always work this way, but still if the idea is to get people to slow down, then this seems like an excellent way to do it. But it's about money, sonny. Have you actually witnessed a knucklehead creep past a pace cruiser and simply disregard his six? The guy should be ticketed! > > > >Tis better to be seen and stop the crime from happening than to > hide and the > >punish the offender in my book. > > What do you suggest, a cop car every half-mile? Or do you we should have > 55mph pace cars like they did in the '70's? Again, if the intended goal is to get people to slow down to the speed limit, this may be your only answer. I continue to argue that this is not the intended goal. Actually, I wish they would bring those pace cars back. Maybe then enough people would get fed up with our inane speed limit laws and the constant harrassment the limits cause, that the speed limits could be addressed in light of road/traffic conditions instead. Todd From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 17:12:21 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA09992 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA32737 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:12:15 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990720170918.02180010@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:12:07 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply In-Reply-To: <001301bed2f0$d9af2230$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <19990720195118.9432.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:45 PM 7/20/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >The REAL problem are arbitrary speed limits. As Glenn Dysart already >pointed out, nobody travels our beltway at less than 60mph w/o becoming a >road hazard. In non-rush hour situations, there is no need for a 55mph >limit (unless you are the local gubmn't and you need to finance your latest >questionable social program....I digress..). So let's be realistic here. >The police are doing a job that they have been instructed to do. Ticket >speeders. The speed limits are (purposely?) to low in most cases. It's a >racket! I agree with everyone...and no one....but think about the beltway this way.... If evryone were obeying the speed limits within reason (5-10 over) then people going 55 wouldn't be a road hazard on 495, right?!? The chicken and the egg... That being said, my average speed in cage or bike on 495 is probably 75 when there isn't dead stopped rubbernecking and over-territorial lane protection going on. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 17:13:52 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1101.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA09995 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990720211313.2928.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1101.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:13:13 EDT Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:13:13 -0400 (EDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply To: "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry... I just disagree on pretty much every count here. Effective enforcement: the constant threat of getting caught vs driving with impunity when you don't see a cruiser? Sorry, doesn't work. Limits too low: This is a meaningless statement. There's no "correct" limit, there's just the tradeoff between safety and speed. I think highway limits are low in a couple of places around here, and pretty much right on target on surface roads. Can't go under 60 without being a menace: Nonsense, unless you're in the left lane. There are plenty of peole along my entire commute driving about 50 and not causing trouble -- unless you think it's their fault that some moron is trying to go 80 in the right lane. (This is I-66 and the toll road.) My beef with enforcement is the focus on speed and little else. I'd like to see fewer cruisers catching speeders, and more cops driving in unmarked cars and pulling over the aggressive lane-changers, tailgaters, the people who use exits and entrances to cut around other vehicles, red light runners, etc. That would improve safety far more than current programs, in my opinion. Say, do you know what percentage of our various local governments' revenues come from speeding tickets? Roughly, without looking it up? --- Todd Peer wrote: > I think what Brian was saying was that the mere > presence of the cruiser in > plain site would accomplish the "supposed" desired > outcome, at least for > that section of roadway, which is enforcing > compliance with the law. I > think we all can agree that it would be a ridiculous > waste of police > resources to simply place cruisers around town to > make people slow down. > But wait, Arlington County already does this!! > > In any case, I agree with Brian. A cop sitting in > the > bushes/shadows/whatever exclaiming GOTCHA to his/her > next victem doesn't > work either. People see a busy officer and just > zoom on by. If they see a > NOT busy officer, they slow down. Now isn't that > the point? > > The REAL problem are arbitrary speed limits. As > Glenn Dysart already > pointed out, nobody travels our beltway at less than > 60mph w/o becoming a > road hazard. In non-rush hour situations, there is > no need for a 55mph > limit (unless you are the local gubmn't and you need > to finance your latest > questionable social program....I digress..). So > let's be realistic here. > The police are doing a job that they have been > instructed to do. Ticket > speeders. The speed limits are (purposely?) to low > in most cases. It's a > racket! > > Todd > > John Whiteside [mailto:johncx500@XXXXXX] > > Only works if you have a lot of cops in sight > > everywhere all the time. The potential of getting > > pulled over by an unmarked car or coming around a > > curve and getting nailed by the cop they couldn't > see > > does slow people down. And it's a lot cheaper than > > putting your whole police force out sitting at the > > side of the road throughout the entire highway > system > > so that people don't speed. > > > > --- "McCoy, Brian NAB02" > > wrote: > > > Chris.. > > > > > > I find flaw with your argument... you're > stating > > > that the police are > > > doing things in their saftey (and the peone they > do > > > business with)... > > > whereas if they would position themselves in > plain > > > sight, the laws wouldn't > > > be broken in the first place. > > > > > > I can see how unmarked cars MIGHT give a driver > > > incentive to slow down > > > (behave)... but an OBVIOUS cop car ALWAYS slows > down > > > traffic (wakes them > > > up).... > > > > > > > > > Tis better to be seen and stop the crime from > > > happening than to hide and the > > > punish the offender in my book. > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > > === > > John Whiteside > > Arlington, VA > > jwhiteside@XXXXXX > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 17:43:43 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10614 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id RAA08138; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:43:27 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:43:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: Chris Norloff cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990720103357.00bb0890@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > Well it's certainly about hitting people where it hurts - their wallet. A > $20 fine wouldn't be much disincentive. A fine up to $500 is enough to > wake up even a jaded SUV-yuppie. If there were officers at all on-ramps > there would be no HOV violaters on the HOV lanes, but the current sentiment > of anti-tax and reduced-government means fewer police officers, not more. Uhhh... but... but... The difference here is that they deploy the officers at an off-ramp vs. an on-ramp. This requires the same number of officers (Yes, in the morning there are more on than off ramps, but the afternoon that's reversed). This does 2 things: 1) Gains revenue for the county 2) Does nothing to stop people from using the HOV lanes illegally since the offense is being dealt with after the fact, and it's a crap-shoot if you're going to be caught or not. By deploying the same number of officers at on-ramps instead of off-ramps, two things would occur: 1) The county wouldn't gain any revenue 2) The number of people using the HOV lanes illegally would be decreased since the presense of the officer on the on-ramp would keep them from entering (That $500 fine is even more convincing when there's a cop sitting right there to give it to you, and then you don't get the fast lane home). The counties choose the former method because people using the HOV lanes illegally is a *secondary* concern. The latter method would actually help people using the HOV lanes legally, but since writing tickets is more important than efficiently upholding the law, they (us, if you use the HOV on your bike) have to suffer with tons of people taking a gamble and breaking the rules. I often take the GW parkway down to Alex, then hop on HOV to get back upto the Seminary Rd exit... this way of commuting makes my ride home no stop and go. When I see all these cars in the HOV (Especially at around 5:30 since they know they won't be getting off (where the cops are) till after 6) it's REALLY annoying. Two cops at the entrance after the 14th street bridge would eliminate this. People actually PARK AND WAIT there till 5:30 causing a huge snarl some days! ::grr:: - Bri From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 18:05:27 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA11045 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id SAA08151 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:05:24 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:05:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply In-Reply-To: <19990720211313.2928.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, John Whiteside wrote: > Limits too low: This is a meaningless statement. > There's no "correct" limit, there's just the tradeoff > between safety and speed. I think highway limits are > low in a couple of places around here, and pretty much > right on target on surface roads. Agreed. > My beef with enforcement is the focus on speed and > little else. I'd like to see fewer cruisers catching > speeders, and more cops driving in unmarked cars and > pulling over the aggressive lane-changers, tailgaters, > the people who use exits and entrances to cut around > other vehicles, red light runners, etc. That would > improve safety far more than current programs, in my > opinion. Yup... I think you hit the nail right on the head here. At non-rush hour, with a clear road (or possibly a few cars within visible range) 75 mph isn't going to hurt a fly. At 55mph, the idiot tailgating the person in front of him, changing lanes without signaling, and wedging into traffic (other people's resonable following zones) is a damn menace and should have his or her licence pulled. This whole thread is simply pointing out what the above states: It's not about upholding laws, it's about revenue. The cops can sit on the side of the road with their little radar guns and rack up cash all day and night with minimal effort. If doesn't actually serve the public much, but hey, who cares, right? This is not to say that "good drivers" should be able to haul ass through traffic as long as they use their turn signals - That's silly. But, if the counties were interested in serving the public interest, they would have the police ticket drivers who are actually a hazard to others. It would take more effort, but it might make the roads a bit safer. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 20:09:23 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA13202 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anita (tc1-s0.wizard.net [206.161.15.30]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA18463 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:09:08 -0400 From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Subject: New Events Posted... Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:10:18 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bed30d$6a49a740$1e0fa1ce@anita> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal ...in the DC Area Riders Yahoo! Club. I finally got a copy of Motorcycle Times that wasn't already outdated! :-) For those who haven't visited this "club" before, you can check it out at: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcareariders You will need a Yahoo! ID to access it.. if you have ever used any of the Yahoo! services (email, classifieds, etc.) you're all set.. otherwise you'll need to answer a few questions and provide a valid email address in order to get your ID. Anita From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 22:25:31 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA15462 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA20803 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA00663 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.177]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:15:15 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: a boycott some may be interested in Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:17:45 -0400 Message-ID: <003c01bed31f$3859aac0$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal http://www.bolt-of-pa.com/boycott/ I won't add any commentary. I leave it up to you. FWIW, I'm boycotting my local Dunkin Donuts for other reasons. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 06:43:07 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA24768 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 06:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA20777 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 06:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <36RDGD13>; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 06:47:48 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427D4F341@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Sunday's "Running of the Squids" Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 06:47:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >I don't know about anyone else, but the cops can stop me for anything they >like providing they don't ticket me and cause my insurance to increase. I'll >make that trade any day of the week. "Good morning, how was your stay?" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 06:57:18 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA25013 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 06:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA20802 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 06:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <36RDGD14>; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 07:01:58 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427D4F342@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Legal enforment theories (Sounds like discrimination to me... ) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 07:01:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain > This does 2 things: >1) Gains revenue for the county >2) Does nothing to stop people from using the HOV lanes illegally since >the offense is being dealt with after the fact, and it's a crap-shoot if >you're going to be caught or not. <> >The counties choose the former method because people using the HOV lanes >illegally is a *secondary* concern. The latter method would actually help >people using the HOV lanes legally, but since writing tickets is more >important than efficiently upholding the law, they (us, if you use the HOV >on your bike) have to suffer with tons of people taking a gamble >and breaking the rules. And I'm supposed to pay for all these cops to sit at on-ramps with my real estate taxes, car taxes, and sales taxes--NOT!! In your example, I would have no choice but to pay the cost of the cops sitting at on-ramps, yet the people busted on the off-ramp chose to take the HOV knowing they might get snake eyes. Boo hoo. Mike 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 07:14:20 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA25235 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 07:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 04:14:16 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 04:14:14 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > -----Original Message----- > > > Sure, you get a massive slowdown right next to the car, > increased liklihood > of rear-end collisions, and complete disregard as soon as the > drivers are > past the cop car. > > > >Tis better to be seen and stop the crime from happening than > to hide and the > >punish the offender in my book. > > What do you suggest, a cop car every half-mile? Or do you we > should have > 55mph pace cars like they did in the '70's? > Ok, I didn't clarify myself by adding identifiers to my meaning. HOV - place the cops at the ON ramps - then you won't have to worry about violators (and the real HOV people don't deal with as much traffic). Speeding? I agree with Glenn, it's a bullshit offense on main roads. ever take 66 west to Manassas? That road is so straight, flat and wide that 80 feels like 40 - and you're what, 25 over the limit at that point? Put the traffic cops on the secondary roads where there are SCHOOL crossings, and in known accident intersections. If one sits where they are easily seen for a couple days, then makes a return appearance once every few days, people will behave (I've noticed that happening local to my house - hell, there aren't even cops in the cars - they just park a car at one intersection). > Come on, comply with laws, if you choose not to comply then beware of > possible costs. I accept the 'penalty' (I like 'voluntary Tax' better :) of going faster than a posted limit. I'm going to speed irregardless, and tickets will come as a course of that. Of course, my beef isn't really with the cops themselves, but the burrow-crats that tell them what to do and reward them for doing those idiotic things. (Ok, some cops are just plain asses and deserve to go the way of an unemployment office, some are lazy and will perpetually keep doughnut shops in business.. the rest, well, they all moved away from the cities Years ago..) Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 08:34:45 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA26893 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:34:43 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id IAA07662; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:35:19 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma006768; Wed, 21 Jul 99 08:34:00 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FF8001GF0COEE@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567B5.0044E264 ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:32:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:31:52 -0400 Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply To: "'dc'" Message-id: <852567B5.0044DF05.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL From: John Whiteside John, First you say ... --snip-- There's no "correct" limit, there's just the tradeoff between safety and speed. --snip-- Then you say ... --snip-- My beef with enforcement is the focus on speed and little else. --snip-- So what is it? Is speed the problem in your mind? I firmly believe that speed is not the problem. Granted, the faster you are traveling, the more severe the wreck, but simply going faster does not equal a higher propensity for accidents. I agree about the enforcement of tailgaters, lane cutters, etc. But to really solve the problem we need to revamp driver licensing requirements. Half the people on the road should not be holding a license in the first place ... but that's a whole 'nother argument. --chris ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 08:46:23 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1101.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA27374 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:46:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990721124543.19585.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1101.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:45:43 EDT Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:45:43 -0400 (EDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply To: dc-cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Brian Roach wrote: > This whole thread is simply pointing out what the > above states: It's not > about upholding laws, it's about revenue That's actually a huge leap from what's been said and what we all seem to agree on. I think the issue is actually more about two things: the lack of resources (there are only so many cops, and useful enforcement requires more of them, but the public isn't in the mood to pay for them) and the fact that while the concept of enforcement is popular, the reality is not: people like all those other "bad drivers" to be caught but don't like getting caught themselves. So it's hard to get the public to support a budget increase so that they can get more traffic tickets. Those who are saying it's all about the revenue need to tell us what portion of local budgets comes from traffic ticket revenue. I'll concede the point if it's significant (like, 15-20%) but all I'm hearing is assertions without facts. I think "it's all about revenue" is usually code for "I hate the government, now give me my services," frankly. But maybe I'm just a cynic! === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 08:47:24 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web301.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.232]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA27424 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990721124730.10460.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web301.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:47:29 EDT Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:47:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: U.S. officials remove motorcycles from tariff list To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just in case anyone was wondering what was happening with the proposed 100% tariff on motorcycles from Europe. Of course they never did explain the rational of adding motorcycles to a list of food, for a food related issue. http://www.ama-cycle.org/legisltn/releases/g99019.html Louis _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 08:53:36 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA27695 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:53:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 05:53:31 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Current flame war.. :) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 05:50:54 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > > So what is it? Is speed the problem in your mind? I firmly > believe that > speed is not the problem. Granted, the faster you are > traveling, the more > severe the wreck, but simply going faster does not equal a higher > propensity for accidents. I believe the problem has been proven to be the Difference in speed - the variance in each persons driving ability. the small the difference, the less chance for accident. Imagine if we were all sharing one masive brain - like the Star Trek 'Borg' for example - there would be no 'accidents' that were caused by human error - only mechanicular failure... and we could all drive 90 without issue). Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 09:01:08 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1103.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.123]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA27874 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990721130105.21314.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1103.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:01:05 EDT Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:01:05 -0400 (EDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply To: "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > --snip-- > There's no "correct" limit, there's just the > tradeoff > between safety and speed. > --snip-- > > Then you say ... > > --snip-- > My beef with enforcement is the focus on speed and > little else. > --snip-- > > So what is it? Is speed the problem in your mind? > I firmly believe that > speed is not the problem. Granted, the faster you > are traveling, the more > severe the wreck, but simply going faster does not > equal a higher > propensity for accidents. There's no conflict between the two statements you quote. One was in response to whether speed limits are currently "right," the other was in response to what constitutes good enforcement. I think it was pretty clear from what I said that I think speed is ONE component of unsafe driving. If going faster does not lead to more accidents, why do accident rates generally increase when a speed limit is raised? (I'll tell you why. Because speed not only makes the wreck worse, it does increase the changes of the wreck, because the faster you're going, the less time you have to react to an unexpected event. Theoretically you accomodate this by leaving more space between you and other vehicles but we all know perfectly well that this is not possible on crowded DC area roads. Less time to react means more chance that you WON'T be able to avoid an accident.) > I agree about the enforcement of tailgaters, lane > cutters, etc. But to > really solve the problem we need to revamp driver > licensing requirements. > Half the people on the road should not be holding a > license in the first > place ... but that's a whole 'nother argument. I think it's the biggest problem of them all, though. It should be a lot harder to get licensed (as it is in many other countries). One thing that really struck me when I moved to DC was that people here seem to have an exceptionally poor understanding of how their cars work. I mean the basics, like how wide it is, how to make a turn, and so on. I couldn't figure out why people were always driving straight down the middle of the narrow streets near my apartment in Kalorama -- they really didn't know where the side of their car was, and were convinced they'd hit the parked cars if they weren't five feet from them. So you'd see two people in Geo Metros sitting head-to-head trying to figure out how to get past each other on a street more than wide enough for them. Or the standard way of making a right turn here -- come to an almost complete stop. And let's not even get into wet-surface driving. ("Hey, I'll slam on my brakes a lot! That's good in low traction!") It would be funny if it wasn't so scary. It's a whole lot worse here than anywhere else I've lived. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 09:14:00 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA28045 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 06:13:56 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Racing News... Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 06:13:50 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Well, watching Speedvision last night (actually, it was a tape of the day races) - it was mentioned that the FIM officials (FIM is like AMA-Racing, only on an international level) will be headed stateside during their summer break (World racing takes a month vacation for August) to re-evaluate Laguna Seca as a World-Superbike stop (happens every year... it won't be going anywhere). BUT, they're ALSO going to be looking at Road America (Elkhart Lake) for World GP racing starting in 2000!!! They're going to tell the owners what needs to be done for world GP racing to come there - but it was mentioned those changes should be fairly small... Sounds like World GP is coming back to the States!!! and the fastest, longest, and most picturesque track here.... wooohooo!!! Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 09:16:27 1999 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA28132 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WadeMarshall.ncea.org ([12.4.21.59]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA17528 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 06:15:33 -0700 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:06:33 -0400 Message-ID: <01BED358.54168F60.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:06:32 -0400 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ditto for me. I scramble to leave Georgetown by 5:00 so I can get on HOV I-66 before the lanes change over to non-HOV and it ticks me off to no end having to share the road with the cheaters. In the morning you can see the people parked on the on-ramp from 495 to 66 waiting until 9:00 am so they can get in just under the wire. I have found that the LEO's parked by the side of the road seem more concerned with HOV than speeding, but the ones in traffic are the opposite. Cedric 1987 CBR600 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA -----Original Message----- From: Brian Roach [SMTP:roach@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 5:43 PM To: Chris Norloff Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > Well it's certainly about hitting people where it hurts - their wallet. A > $20 fine wouldn't be much disincentive. A fine up to $500 is enough to > wake up even a jaded SUV-yuppie. If there were officers at all on-ramps > there would be no HOV violaters on the HOV lanes, but the current sentiment > of anti-tax and reduced-government means fewer police officers, not more. Uhhh... but... but... The difference here is that they deploy the officers at an off-ramp vs. an on-ramp. This requires the same number of officers (Yes, in the morning there are more on than off ramps, but the afternoon that's reversed). This does 2 things: 1) Gains revenue for the county 2) Does nothing to stop people from using the HOV lanes illegally since the offense is being dealt with after the fact, and it's a crap-shoot if you're going to be caught or not. By deploying the same number of officers at on-ramps instead of off-ramps, two things would occur: 1) The county wouldn't gain any revenue 2) The number of people using the HOV lanes illegally would be decreased since the presense of the officer on the on-ramp would keep them from entering (That $500 fine is even more convincing when there's a cop sitting right there to give it to you, and then you don't get the fast lane home). The counties choose the former method because people using the HOV lanes illegally is a *secondary* concern. The latter method would actually help people using the HOV lanes legally, but since writing tickets is more important than efficiently upholding the law, they (us, if you use the HOV on your bike) have to suffer with tons of people taking a gamble and breaking the rules. I often take the GW parkway down to Alex, then hop on HOV to get back upto the Seminary Rd exit... this way of commuting makes my ride home no stop and go. When I see all these cars in the HOV (Especially at around 5:30 since they know they won't be getting off (where the cops are) till after 6) it's REALLY annoying. Two cops at the entrance after the 14th street bridge would eliminate this. People actually PARK AND WAIT there till 5:30 causing a huge snarl some days! ::grr:: - Bri From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 09:25:03 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA28226 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 06:24:59 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: more traffic stuff.. Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 06:24:11 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > -----Original Message----- > From: John Whiteside [mailto:johncx500@XXXXXX] > > If going faster does not lead to more accidents, why > do accident rates generally increase when a speed > limit is raised? Simple.. this is a False statement. Not only did the percentage of accidents decrease, the absolute NUMBER of accidents decreased (or failed to increase) in areas where speed limits were raised (I'm going off info I ahve for Wyoming [most people do 85 on interstates, 70~75 on main highways, and reasonable speeds on surface streets] and Montana [we all know about that state already]). > Or the standard way of making a right turn here -- > come to an almost complete stop. Oh, I thought you were going to say they all seem to swing wide, like they're driving a tractor trailer or something. I agree 100% with you here.. it should be MUCH harder to have the PRIVLIGE to drive. That's right boys and girls.. it ain't a right, it's a privlige, and one that should be reserved for those who can read ENGLISH (driving tests are bi-lingual, but road signs aren't), those who can SEE (what's with the special 'impared vision' licenses?), and who have been through a fairly rigirous training session... *shrug* it'll never happen, makes me want to move to Japan where a lot of this already exists. Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 09:28:16 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA28300 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:25:31 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206BEFF@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:26:07 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) >If going faster does not lead to more accidents, why >do accident rates generally increase when a speed >limit is raised? Where did you get your information to support this? >(I'll tell you why. Because speed not only makes the >wreck worse, it does increase the changes of the >wreck, because the faster you're going, the less time >you have to react to an unexpected event. >Theoretically you accomodate this by leaving more >space between you and other vehicles but we all know >perfectly well that this is not possible on crowded DC >area roads. Less time to react means more chance that >you WON'T be able to avoid an accident.) I think all of will agree we WERE NOT talking about speed limits on crowded roads or residential areas. We were talking about how speed limits on rural roads are pretty much a joke. Obviously within reason. I would recommend a 150 MPH speed limit on I-81 but 65 MPH IMO is rather low. >I think it's the biggest problem of them all, though. >It should be a lot harder to get licensed (as it is in >many other countries). No doubt. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 09:32:39 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA28384 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA23740 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.14]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA10695 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:32:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.100]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA27020; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:31:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3795CBE5.BB632C57@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:32:22 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Last Sunday at RFK stadium References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I couldn't make it last sunday, how about a report on how things went? Steven C. Di Pietro 96 Suzuki Katana 600 CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > Ok heres the deal. I just bought my new 99 750 on tuesday and while at the > dealership, the guy gave me a flier. Turns out on sunday from 1-7pm Double > Platinum Productions will be filming a new sportbike video. They are > inviting anyone with a sportbike to attend. Also, the Star Boys from OH, and > the Ruff Ryders from NY will be there. Im sure its gonna be a handfull. > If anyone is interested in going, I am leaving from Towson MD around noon > (have to show up to work for atleast an hour). > If you want to check out the details, the web address on the flier is > WWW.DP2000.COM > > Sean... From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 09:41:28 1999 Return-Path: sdave@XXXXXX Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA28484 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112138036.cit.nih.gov [165.112.138.36]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA9633598 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3795CE00.1AB6582A@radix.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:41:20 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply References: <19990721130105.21314.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------4155225EBCA59B4ACDCB5725" --------------4155225EBCA59B4ACDCB5725 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > If going faster does not lead to more accidents, why > do accident rates generally increase when a speed > limit is raised? It doesn't, even DOT & NHTSA have conceded that. On Highways where the speed limit was raised from 55mph to ??mph, there was a significant decrease. This was publicly dismissed as an anomoly, & that the sky would eventually fall, but here we are several years later, & it hasn't - wrecks & fatalities have remained pretty much the same. > > (I'll tell you why. Because speed not only makes the > wreck worse, it does increase the changes of the > wreck, because the faster you're going, the less time > you have to react to an unexpected event. > Theoretically you accomodate this by leaving more > space between you and other vehicles but we all know > perfectly well that this is not possible on crowded DC > area roads. Less time to react means more chance that > you WON'T be able to avoid an accident.) > definitely valid points here. Speed will make a wreck worse & with increased speed, your reaction time becomes more & more critical. But, I've noticed on the Beltway in the afternoon, if there is no incident to rubberneck or otherwise obstruct, traffic flows about 70 - 75MPH (inner loop from Bethesda to Oxon Hill ) I average 60 mph the whole trip home. Unless, of course there's a cop in the equation - if it's a state trooper, traffic crowds in behind him/her at 55 until they exit the Beltway. If it's PG county, speed INCREASES behind him/her to 80 or until traffic can no longer keep up with them :-) They seem to always be in a bigger hurry. CQD ( close quarters driving ) should reduce the overall speed, but unfortunately there's always someone who just has to stuff their cage into the barely 3 bike lengths I've left to stop in case of a situation. The mantra has always been 'Speed Kills'. Opponents counter 'it's not speed kills, differential speed kills' hmmph. more like stupidity kills... > > > I agree about the enforcement of tailgaters, lane > > cutters, etc. But to > > really solve the problem we need to revamp driver > > licensing requirements. > > Half the people on the road should not be holding a > > license in the first > > place ... but that's a whole 'nother argument. > > I think it's the biggest problem of them all, though. > It should be a lot harder to get licensed (as it is in > many other countries). > no argument here. The Md driver's test was totally insufficient. I knew how to parallel park, but the Beltway was an experience in intimidation the 1st time... > > One thing that really struck me when I moved to DC was > that people here seem to have an exceptionally poor > understanding of how their cars work. I mean the > basics, like how wide it is, how to make a turn, and > so on. I couldn't figure out why people were always > driving straight down the middle of the narrow streets > near my apartment in Kalorama -- they really didn't > know where the side of their car was, and were > convinced they'd hit the parked cars if they weren't > five feet from them. So you'd see two people in Geo > Metros sitting head-to-head trying to figure out how > to get past each other on a street more than wide > enough for them. > I think a good analogy here is the more enforcement, but not for me argument. We'd all like to see better behaved cagers, but none of us wants to have to endure the better requirements for vehicle operators. We all seem to have a higher impression of our driving than is actually the case... I think there's a lot of 'regional' behavior in the DC Metro area that contributes to the poor driving. > > Or the standard way of making a right turn here -- > come to an almost complete stop. > > And let's not even get into wet-surface driving. > ("Hey, I'll slam on my brakes a lot! That's good in > low traction!") > AMEN. At least when it snows, some people will stay home. Since we can't claim 'inclement weather' for rain, nobody stays home, & we all get to suffer for the driver's who can't handle it. How about a 'graduated licensing system' that wouldn't allow regular drivers to operate motor vehicles during anything but bright sunshine at 1st, then darkness after a year. Then, a whole separate test for rain driving. and another for snow... seriously. > > It would be funny if it wasn't so scary. It's a whole > lot worse here than anywhere else I've lived. > > === > John Whiteside > Arlington, VA > jwhiteside@XXXXXX > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Analyst Soza & Company, Ltd. IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator ATG Group Webmaster (301) 496-3760 --------------4155225EBCA59B4ACDCB5725 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  
 
 

If going faster does not lead to more accidents, why
do accident rates generally increase when a speed
limit is raised?

It doesn't, even DOT & NHTSA have conceded that.  On Highways where the speed limit was raised from 55mph to ??mph, there was a significant decrease.  This was publicly dismissed as an anomoly, & that the sky would eventually fall, but here we are several years later, & it hasn't - wrecks & fatalities have remained pretty much the same.   
 
(I'll tell you why. Because speed not only makes the
wreck worse, it does increase the changes of the
wreck, because the faster you're going, the less time
you have to react to an unexpected event.
Theoretically you accomodate this by leaving more
space between you and other vehicles but we all know
perfectly well that this is not possible on crowded DC
area roads. Less time to react means more chance that
you WON'T be able to avoid an accident.)
 
definitely valid points here.  Speed will make a wreck worse & with increased speed, your reaction time becomes more & more critical.  But, I've noticed on the Beltway in the afternoon, if there is no incident to rubberneck or otherwise obstruct, traffic flows about 70 - 75MPH (inner loop from Bethesda to Oxon Hill )  I average 60 mph the whole trip home.  Unless, of course there's a cop in the equation - if it's a state trooper, traffic crowds in behind him/her at 55 until they exit the Beltway.  If it's PG county, speed INCREASES behind him/her to 80 or until traffic can no longer keep up with them :-)  They seem to always be in  a bigger hurry.  CQD ( close quarters driving ) should reduce the overall speed, but unfortunately there's always someone who just has to stuff their cage into the barely 3 bike lengths I've left to stop in case of a situation.
  The mantra has always been 'Speed Kills'.  Opponents counter 'it's not speed kills, differential speed kills'  hmmph.  more like stupidity kills...       
 
> I agree about the enforcement of tailgaters, lane
> cutters, etc.  But to
> really solve the problem we need to revamp driver
> licensing requirements.
> Half the people on the road should not be holding a
> license in the first
> place ... but that's a whole 'nother argument.

I think it's the biggest problem of them all, though.
It should be a lot harder to get licensed (as it is in
many other countries).
 

no argument here.  The Md driver's test was totally insufficient.  I knew how to parallel park, but the Beltway was an experience in intimidation the 1st time...
 
 
One thing that really struck me when I moved to DC was
that people here seem to have an exceptionally poor
understanding of how their cars work. I mean the
basics, like how wide it is, how to make a turn, and
so on. I couldn't figure out why people were always
driving straight down the middle of the narrow streets
near my apartment in Kalorama -- they really didn't
know where the side of their car was, and were
convinced they'd hit the parked cars if they weren't
five feet from them. So you'd see two people in Geo
Metros sitting head-to-head trying to figure out how
to get past each other on a street more than wide
enough for them.
 
I think a good analogy here is the more enforcement, but not for me argument.  We'd all like to see better behaved cagers, but none of us wants to have to endure the better requirements for vehicle operators.  We all seem to have a higher impression of our driving than is actually the case...  I think there's a lot of 'regional' behavior in the DC Metro area that contributes to the poor driving.   
 
Or the standard way of making a right turn here --
come to an almost complete stop.

And let's not even get into wet-surface driving.
("Hey, I'll slam on my brakes a lot! That's good in
low traction!")
 

AMEN. At least when it snows, some people will stay home.  Since we can't claim 'inclement weather' for rain, nobody stays home, & we all get to suffer for the driver's who can't handle it.  How about a 'graduated licensing system' that wouldn't allow regular drivers to operate motor vehicles during anything but bright sunshine at 1st, then darkness after a year.  Then, a whole separate test for rain driving.  and another for snow...  seriously.  
 
It would be funny if it wasn't so scary. It's a whole
lot worse here than anywhere else I've lived.

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  --------------4155225EBCA59B4ACDCB5725-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 09:53:05 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1104.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.124]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA28773 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990721135312.4082.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1104.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:53:12 EDT Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:53:12 -0400 (EDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply To: "'DC Cycles'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" > I think all of will agree we WERE NOT talking about > speed limits on crowded > roads or residential areas. We were talking about > how speed limits on rural > roads are pretty much a joke We were? I thought we were talking about the Beltway. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 09:53:33 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA28793 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:50:45 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206BF08@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:51:23 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I guess you haven't been on the list long enough to remember some town out west that went bankrupt because the state this town was in made a law allowing only a certain percentage of revenue to come from traffic violations? I know this may not be a blanket statement for every place in the country and I don't know what the percentages are for this area but I'm sure its enough to make a difference if you were to pull the plug. Glenn >Those who are saying it's all about the revenue need >to tell us what portion of local budgets comes from >traffic ticket revenue. I'll concede the point if it's >significant (like, 15-20%) but all I'm hearing is >assertions without facts. I think "it's all about >revenue" is usually code for "I hate the government, >now give me my services," frankly. But maybe I'm just >a cynic! From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 10:01:15 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA28969 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id HAA18894 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 21 Jul 1999 07:01:11 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 21 Jul 1999 07:01:11 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 07:01:08 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >The mantra has always been 'Speed Kills'. Opponents counter >'it's not speed kills, differential speed kills' >hmmph. more like stupidity kills... >From "Time Enough For Love" by Robert Heinlein: "Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity." -Lazarus Long Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 10:08:49 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29134 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA02857 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:08:42 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990721095101.01a6b010@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:07:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: more traffic stuff. - Montana speed In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:24 AM 7/21/99 , McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: >Simple.. this is a False statement. Not only did the percentage of >accidents decrease, the absolute NUMBER of accidents decreased (or failed to >increase) in areas where speed limits were raised (I'm going off info I ahve >for Wyoming [most people do 85 on interstates, 70~75 on main highways, and >reasonable speeds on surface streets] and Montana [we all know about that >state already]). Wait, wait, wait. Montana has eliminated the 'reasonable speed' law because of a tremendous rise in accidents. I'm still looking for the online story, but it was something in the neighborhood of a 50% increase in accidents. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 10:13:55 1999 Return-Path: Todd.Rist@XXXXXX Received: from alcsnmx1.nextel.com (unknown-197-226.nextel.com [167.20.197.226] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29234 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlntgw01.nextel.com (ATLNTGW01.nextel.com [168.73.94.142]) by alcsnmx1.nextel.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA12693 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ATLNTGW01.nextel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <35DYJDWK>; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:13:28 -0400 Message-ID: <375A82150521D311815B0008C791253E1CB1FE@nhqntex01.nextel.com> From: "Rist, Todd" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:13:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I prefer to beleive in Darwin's law.... Thank you, Todd Rist Sr. Manager, BSM (703) 433-8604 NSC (703) 928-3564 PTN -----Original Message----- From: Jordan, Michael [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 10:01 AM To: 'dc' Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply >The mantra has always been 'Speed Kills'. Opponents counter >'it's not speed kills, differential speed kills' >hmmph. more like stupidity kills... >From "Time Enough For Love" by Robert Heinlein: "Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity." -Lazarus Long Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 10:17:54 1999 Return-Path: sdave@XXXXXX Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29323 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112138036.cit.nih.gov [165.112.138.36]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA9555627 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3795D68C.FFE9CB83@radix.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:17:48 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------99D29B1101ED6DBDA3D13C50" --------------99D29B1101ED6DBDA3D13C50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kind of deep. I guess the ride home is kind of like natural selection being acted out in front of me. sort of an exercise in 'Darwinism'. Death seems a little harsh to me. How about a chain gang, so they can pave new roads for the rest of us? > >From "Time Enough For Love" by Robert Heinlein: > > "Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by > legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being > stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence > is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically > and without pity." -Lazarus Long > > Michael J. -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Analyst Soza & Company, Ltd. IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator ATG Group Webmaster (301) 496-3760 --------------99D29B1101ED6DBDA3D13C50 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  
Kind of deep.  I guess the ride home is kind of like natural selection being acted out in front of me.  sort of an exercise in 'Darwinism'.  Death seems a little harsh to me.  How about a chain gang, so they can pave new roads for the rest of us?
 

>From "Time Enough For Love" by Robert Heinlein:

 "Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by
legislation.  Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being
stupid.  But stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence
is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically
and without pity." -Lazarus Long

Michael J.

--
Dave Yates
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SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA
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  --------------99D29B1101ED6DBDA3D13C50-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 10:20:13 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil (dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil [141.116.33.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29422 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:17:28 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206BF0D@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:18:07 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sure we talked about the Beltway because somebody said they NEVER drove more the 5 MPH over the limit in this area BUT we also talked about speed limits in rural areas are nothing but money makers... Glenn >We were? I thought we were talking about the Beltway. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 10:20:43 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29432 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erols.com (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA17589; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3795D616.71AFDBCA@erols.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:15:50 -0400 From: Kirt Senser X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-RR061898 (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more traffic stuff. - Montana speed References: <4.1.19990721095101.01a6b010@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, to my knowledge, Montana has eliminated the "Reasonable and Prudent Speed" Limit because of a certain individual who was pulled over for passing people at 110+ mph. The cop thought he was being unsafe and driving to fast. The guy fought it in court, and supposedly took it up to the state level. After which, the legislature of Montana repealed the Resonable Speed Limit thing... Of course I have no written proof to back this up, but I am reasonbly sure about this. Kirt 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va 703-523-7744 (pager/voice-mail) Troutman wrote: > > At 09:24 AM 7/21/99 , McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > >Simple.. this is a False statement. Not only did the percentage of > >accidents decrease, the absolute NUMBER of accidents decreased (or failed to > >increase) in areas where speed limits were raised (I'm going off info I ahve > >for Wyoming [most people do 85 on interstates, 70~75 on main highways, and > >reasonable speeds on surface streets] and Montana [we all know about that > >state already]). > > Wait, wait, wait. Montana has eliminated the 'reasonable speed' law > because of a tremendous rise in accidents. I'm still looking for the > online story, but it was something in the neighborhood of a 50% increase in > accidents. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 10:20:48 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1101.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA29442 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990721142012.11975.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1101.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:20:12 EDT Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:20:12 -0400 (EDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply To: Dave Yates Cc: "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dave Yates wrote: > How about a > 'graduated licensing system' that wouldn't allow > regular drivers to > operate motor vehicles during anything but bright > sunshine at 1st, then > darkness after a year. Then, a whole separate test > for rain driving. > and another for snow... seriously. Actually, as I was watching someone trying to get their Lincoln Navigator out of a parking spot at my local Giant last night, it occurred to me that there should be a special SUV/Light Truck test! Some of the people behind the wheels of these things lack the basic skills to maneuver them. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 10:22:28 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29452 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:22:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.212]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:07:22 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:10:00 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bed382$b81a67a0$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990721124543.19585.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 There's a small town in Ohio (located near I-71) that receives 98% of its annual operating budget from ticket revenue. That's a little disproportionate, but still... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 10:22:29 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29454 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.212]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:09:49 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:12:27 -0400 Message-ID: <000901bed383$0ff8e960$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990721130105.21314.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > If going faster does not lead to more accidents, why > do accident rates generally increase when a speed > limit is raised? Err, umm... What country are you talking about? Since the repeal of the federally mandated 55 mph law, accidents *rates* (which is more important than gross number of accidents) have fallen every year since. Looking deeper at the numbers, the rate dropped more in states where the limit was upped than in states that kept the limit. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 10:22:43 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1103.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.123]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA29471 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990721142241.10535.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1103.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:22:41 EDT Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:22:41 -0400 (EDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dave Yates wrote: > How about a > 'graduated licensing system' that wouldn't allow > regular drivers to > operate motor vehicles during anything but bright > sunshine at 1st, then > darkness after a year. Then, a whole separate test > for rain driving. > and another for snow... seriously. Actually, as I was watching someone trying to get their Lincoln Navigator out of a parking spot at my local Giant last night, it occurred to me that there should be a special SUV/Light Truck test! Some of the people behind the wheels of these things lack the basic skills to maneuver them. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 10:26:07 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1102.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.122]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA29518 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990721142535.4817.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1102.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:25:35 EDT Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:25:35 -0400 (EDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply To: "'DC Cycles'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" wrote: > I guess you haven't been on the list long enough to > remember some town out > west that went bankrupt because the state this town > was in made a law > allowing only a certain percentage of revenue to > come from traffic > violations? I know this may not be a blanket > statement for every place in > the country and I don't know what the percentages > are for this area but I'm > sure its enough to make a difference if you were to > pull the plug. It's usually a bad idea to be sure without the benefit of actual facts. There are some towns that make it a big revenue source (like is vacation areas with lots of out of towners who don't know about the enforcement level) but typically it's about 1-2% for most US localities. (Source: AAA) === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 10:27:44 1999 Return-Path: sdave@XXXXXX Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29592 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112138036.cit.nih.gov [165.112.138.36]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA8901215 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3795D8DC.9EB68BD0@radix.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:27:40 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply References: <19990721142012.11975.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That too. I could live with that. John Whiteside wrote: > --- Dave Yates wrote: > > How about a > > 'graduated licensing system' that wouldn't allow > > regular drivers to > > operate motor vehicles during anything but bright > > sunshine at 1st, then > > darkness after a year. Then, a whole separate test > > for rain driving. > > and another for snow... seriously. > > Actually, as I was watching someone trying to get > their Lincoln Navigator out of a parking spot at my > local Giant last night, it occurred to me that there > should be a special SUV/Light Truck test! Some of the > people behind the wheels of these things lack the > basic skills to maneuver them. > === > John Whiteside > Arlington, VA > jwhiteside@XXXXXX > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Analyst Soza & Company, Ltd. IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator ATG Group Webmaster (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 10:31:25 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29686 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A9B732A01DE; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:31:19 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990721102249.00bcb8b0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:31:17 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: more traffic stuff. - Montana speed In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990721095101.01a6b010@mail.wheatintl.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >At 09:24 AM 7/21/99 , McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > >Simple.. this is a False statement. Not only did the percentage of > >accidents decrease, the absolute NUMBER of accidents decreased (or failed to > >increase) in areas where speed limits were raised At 10:07 AM 7/21/99 , Troutman wrote: >Wait, wait, wait. Montana has eliminated the 'reasonable speed' law >because of a tremendous rise in accidents. I'm still looking for the >online story, but it was something in the neighborhood of a 50% increase in >accidents. I think in some states the accident rate and total no. of accidents increased with increased speed limits on Interstates, and in some states the accident rate and number decreased with increased speed limits. Remember that non-Interstate roads have pretty much been unaffected by the national 55mph speed limit -- it's Interstates where that's been applied. Laws which encourage Interstate use (higher speed limits) are thought to reduce accidents because people will choose the limited-access Interstate over the more dangerous other roads. There may be more accidents on the Interstates, but this is offset by the reduced accidents on other roads. I suspect Montana had to get a speed limit to make their law enforceable. "Reasonable and prudent" could be 130mph for a skilled rider in no traffic. "Reasonable and prudent" could be less than 60mph for a squid in traffic. Rather than require the officer to testify that he knows what "Reasonable and prudent" is for strangers riding on Montana roads, the officer can now merely testify that the speed was in excess of the posted speed limit. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 10:32:21 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1106.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.126]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA29696 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990721143110.11497.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1106.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:31:10 EDT Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:31:10 -0400 (EDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX, dc-cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Which, again, tells us little about what DC-area localities are doing. --- George Howell wrote: > There's a small town in Ohio (located near I-71) > that receives 98% of its > annual operating budget from ticket revenue. That's > a little > disproportionate, but still... === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 10:34:00 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29716 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 07:33:54 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: more traffic stuff. - Montana speed Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 07:33:51 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > -----Original Message----- > > Wait, wait, wait. Montana has eliminated the 'reasonable speed' law > because of a tremendous rise in accidents. I'm still looking for the > online story, but it was something in the neighborhood of a > 50% increase in > accidents. You've got to read the official report (not the journalized one) that indicated that the accidents were comprised almost entirely of OUT OF STATE DRIVERS.. i.e. the idiots from other states who went to MT for the exclusive purpose of driving fast.... It's NOT the speed... it is the difference in speed. You get the idiot out-of-staters thinking they can rip through the state at more than 90~100mph and they end up off the road (because they're idiots and don't know how to drive, or have 'trendy' SUV's that can't handle the corners), or running into someone who WAS traveling at a safe and prudent speed.... Please don't use half info... it's dangerous. Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 10:42:12 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29893 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 07:42:07 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: more traffic stuff. - Montana speed Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 07:41:59 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) >From the get-go.. the 'Reasonable and Prudent' speed limits in MT were TEMPORARY. I remember living there when the change took effect - and to be honest, cops were pulling over MORE people for speeding (and issuing 'speeding' tickets) after the 55/65 limits were dropped. They just wanted to revert to what had worked 10 years prior while they decided what kinds of limits to accept as a state standard. I remember being pulled over one day on the interstate between Bozeman and Billings (I was on Bozeman Pass..). I was running about 80~90 on my CB1100f - the same speed I almost always ran the pass. I pulled over, expecting a brief talk with the officer, and maybe a $5 'Waste of Natural Resources' ticket... come to find out that they were told not to issue those anymore. I got off on a written warning because my bike was in good shape, I was obviously a local and gave the guy no grief (That and I think he knew me through a squidly friend). Similar things happen for the next several months while I was in MT... I was pulled over in the last 8 months I lived there (going slower) than the entire time before... It was actually UPSETTING that they did away with their prior limits - they were far more lenient. I'm not saying that someone doing 110 didn't go to court... but the MT was only intended to be a temp fix anyway. Brian (3 yr MT resident, 18 yr Wyoming resident) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 10:44:16 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29903 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA02950 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:44:11 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990721103443.01828370@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:43:59 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: more traffic stuff. - Montana speed In-Reply-To: <3795D616.71AFDBCA@erols.com> References: <4.1.19990721095101.01a6b010@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/ncsa/stateinfo/montana.htm You would think the nhtsa stats would be more readable and useful, but they are a government entity....I gather no useful stats from this page. This one is pretty interesting though: http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/ncsa/pdf/TSF97.pdf + Fatal crashes have been rising since 1992 (1997 was below 1996) + Fatal crashes per mile traveled have been dropping since 1967 Speed figures are unclear at best. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 10:54:19 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA00184 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id HAA02454 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 21 Jul 1999 07:54:09 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 21 Jul 1999 07:54:09 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 07:54:07 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Kind of deep. I guess the ride home is kind of like natural >selection being acted out in front of me. sort of an exercise >in 'Darwinism'. Death seems a little harsh to me. How about >a chain gang, so they can pave new roads for the rest of us? Death isn't imposed on the stupid by others, it's a naturally occuring result of his/her own actions. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 10:55:32 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00209 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id AF4C35401DE; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:55:08 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990721105035.00bd1440@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:56:02 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Speed Limits & the National Motorists Assoc. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Here's some interesting fodder for the speed limit discussion - did the 1973 "fuel economy" national speed limit cause safety problems? http://www.motorists.org/stealthis/coincidence.html They also have a number of interesting papers (some with DATA!) at http://www.motorists.org/issues/speed/index.html, in the Speed Limit Research area. http://www.motorists.org/issues/speed/bennett.html discusses accidents before and after speed limit repeal. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 11:13:03 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA00600 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:11:25 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:11:20 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:10:10 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Subject: Racing News... -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline -snip- BUT, they're ALSO going to be looking at Road America (Elkhart Lake) for World GP racing starting in 2000!!! They're going to tell the owners what needs to be done for world GP racing to come there - but it was mentioned those changes should be fairly small... Sounds like World GP is coming back to the States!!! and the fastest, longest, and most picturesque track here.... wooohooo!!! Brian AND the best food! Nobody grills a bratwurst like them cheeseheads. Joe (married to a cheesehead) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 11:18:33 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f289.hotmail.com [209.185.130.228]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA00707 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:18:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 44726 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jul 1999 15:17:58 -0000 Message-ID: <19990721151758.44725.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.229.31.23 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:17:57 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.229.31.23] Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX From: "Leon Begeman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:17:57 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I have to agree with Brian in this case. This morning I counted 6 marked cop cars in the 25 or so miles of HOV lanes. There were also at least 3 unmarked cars in the traffic mix, but I think those were just commuters. If they want to make the traffic go 55 on the HOV lanes, then the 55 mph pace cars is the only effective way to do it. The HOV is a well designed 75 mph road, people won't drive 55 on a road that is obviously safe at 75. The government already has the pace cars on the road, all they need to do is tell all the cops commuting in that their job is to go 55 and slow traffic. I'd love to see this done for a month or two, let's see what the public says about driving 55 on a road with a 55 mph speed limit. What they're doing now is not safe, and also not effective. I don't think they want to discourage either speeders or HOV violaters, there is little being done in the way of prevention, and there is lots of activity done to collect money. >From: Chris Norloff >To: "'dc'" >Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply >Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:58:14 -0400 > >At 03:06 PM 7/20/99 , McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: >>Chris.. >> >> I find flaw with your argument... you're stating that the police >>are >>doing things in their saftey (and the peone they do business with)... >>whereas if they would position themselves in plain sight, the laws >>wouldn't >>be broken in the first place. > >Horseshit. > >Visible marked cars merely get drivers to comply in the direct vicinity of >the car (and encourage accidents as idiot drivers slam on their >brakes). Hidden cars which can catch the violators work by the threat of a >ticket, a delay, and rising insurance rates. > > >>I can see how unmarked cars MIGHT give a driver incentive to slow down >>(behave)... but an OBVIOUS cop car ALWAYS slows down traffic (wakes them >>up).... > >Sure, you get a massive slowdown right next to the car, increased liklihood >of rear-end collisions, and complete disregard as soon as the drivers are >past the cop car. > > >>Tis better to be seen and stop the crime from happening than to hide and >>the >>punish the offender in my book. > >What do you suggest, a cop car every half-mile? Or do you we should have >55mph pace cars like they did in the '70's? > >Come on, comply with laws, if you choose not to comply then beware of >possible costs. Work to change unreasonable laws. No reason to turn this >into a Big Brother reminding everyone of the law at all times. > >Chris Norloff > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 11:26:16 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00809 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 116yFz-0005dO-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:26:07 -0700 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:26:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Tour update Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've updated my website with pictures from Mid-Ohio and other minor goings on. http://www.twowheelsgood.net ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 11:28:33 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00883 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA03070; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:28:17 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990721112408.01ee6f10@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:28:13 -0400 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" From: Troutman Subject: RE: more traffic stuff. - Montana speed Cc: "'dc'" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:33 AM 7/21/99 , McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: >You've got to read the official report (not the journalized one) that >indicated that the accidents were comprised almost entirely of OUT OF STATE >DRIVERS.. i.e. the idiots from other states who went to MT for the exclusive >purpose of driving fast.... That had to be expected though....the American Autobahn.... >It's NOT the speed... it is the difference in speed. You get the idiot >out-of-staters thinking they can rip through the state at more than >90~100mph and they end up off the road (because they're idiots and don't >know how to drive, or have 'trendy' SUV's that can't handle the corners), or >running into someone who WAS traveling at a safe and prudent speed.... I whole-heartedly agree with you. >Please don't use half info... it's dangerous. In this case, I wouldn't say that I was using half the information. I fully expected that a lot of the crashes were coming from out-of-state drivers. That doesn't make my statement any less correct. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 11:32:24 1999 Return-Path: redsullivan@XXXXXX Received: from web503.yahoomail.com (web503.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA00977 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990721153236.25586.rocketmail@web503.yahoomail.com> Received: from [198.45.19.20] by web503.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:32:35 EDT Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:32:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: DC driving To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX, "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Before we blame the city, John, one of the reasons for the shaky driving in the area could lie in the fact that a large portion of the DC population is imported, just as you were. I'm sure we get good drivers too, such as yourself, but a lot of people do not seem to be used to driving in this city in particular or in cities in general. Sean Sullivan --- John Whiteside wrote: > One thing that really struck me when I moved to DC > was > that people here seem to have an exceptionally poor > understanding of how their cars work. I mean the > basics, like how wide it is, how to make a turn, and > so on. I couldn't figure out why people were always > driving straight down the middle of the narrow > streets > near my apartment in Kalorama -- they really didn't > know where the side of their car was, and were > convinced they'd hit the parked cars if they weren't > five feet from them. So you'd see two people in Geo > Metros sitting head-to-head trying to figure out how > to get past each other on a street more than wide > enough for them. > > Or the standard way of making a right turn here -- > come to an almost complete stop. > > And let's not even get into wet-surface driving. > ("Hey, I'll slam on my brakes a lot! That's good in > low traction!") > > It would be funny if it wasn't so scary. It's a > whole > lot worse here than anywhere else I've lived. > > === > John Whiteside > Arlington, VA > jwhiteside@XXXXXX > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 11:36:23 1999 Return-Path: redsullivan@XXXXXX Received: from web502.yahoomail.com (web502.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA01081 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:36:22 -0400 (EDT) From: redsullivan@XXXXXX Message-ID: <19990721153601.28300.rocketmail@web502.yahoomail.com> Received: from [198.45.19.20] by web502.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:36:01 EDT Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply To: "Rist, Todd" , "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That is Darwin's Law of Natural Selection. The stupid, the slow and the weak are culled from the herd. Thank you, Sean Sullivan VF500 --- "Rist, Todd" wrote: > I prefer to beleive in Darwin's law.... > > Thank you, > > Todd Rist > Sr. Manager, BSM > (703) 433-8604 NSC > (703) 928-3564 PTN > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jordan, Michael [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 10:01 AM > To: 'dc' > Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... > -Reply -Reply > > > >The mantra has always been 'Speed Kills'. > Opponents counter > >'it's not speed kills, differential speed kills' > >hmmph. more like stupidity kills... > > From "Time Enough For Love" by Robert Heinlein: > > "Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through > education, or by > legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim > can't help being > stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital > crime; the sentence > is death, there is no appeal, and execution is > carried out automatically > and without pity." -Lazarus Long > > Michael J. > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 11:51:18 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1103.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.123]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA01369 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990721155116.4637.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1103.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:51:16 EDT Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:51:16 -0400 (EDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC driving To: "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I agree. I don't think I was blaming the city so much as making an observation about the city (& surrounding areas). The variety of styles is one of the problems. During my decade in Boston, I used to tell people that Boston driving is *easy*. The rules are simple and almost universally followed, and once you know them there's no problem -- and since most people have been there a while, most people know them. They're just informal and unlike everyone else's. (For example: How do you make a left out of a side street? Pull halfway out & block one direction of the main road's traffic, then wait for a break in the other direction. Who has the right of way in a rotary? The one who blinks. What happens when the light turns red? The next five people go through.) It seems insane to outsiders but once you know what's going on it's amazingly predictable. Which is NOT true in DC. --- Sean Sullivan wrote: > Before we blame the city, John, one of the reasons > for the shaky driving in the area could lie in the > fact that a large portion of the DC population is > imported, just as you were. I'm sure we get good > drivers too, such as yourself, but a lot of people > do > not seem to be used to driving in this city in > particular or in cities in general. > Sean Sullivan > > --- John Whiteside wrote: > > One thing that really struck me when I moved to DC > > was > > that people here seem to have an exceptionally > poor > > understanding of how their cars work. I mean the > > basics, like how wide it is, how to make a turn, > and > > so on. I couldn't figure out why people were > always > > driving straight down the middle of the narrow > > streets > > near my apartment in Kalorama -- they really > didn't > > know where the side of their car was, and were > > convinced they'd hit the parked cars if they > weren't > > five feet from them. So you'd see two people in > Geo > > Metros sitting head-to-head trying to figure out > how > > to get past each other on a street more than wide > > enough for them. > > > > Or the standard way of making a right turn here -- > > come to an almost complete stop. > > > > And let's not even get into wet-surface driving. > > ("Hey, I'll slam on my brakes a lot! That's good > in > > low traction!") > > > > It would be funny if it wasn't so scary. It's a > > whole > > lot worse here than anywhere else I've lived. > > > > === > > John Whiteside > > Arlington, VA > > jwhiteside@XXXXXX > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 12:07:13 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA01744 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:08:46 -0400 Message-Id: <199907211208.AA127795302@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Todd Peer Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Todd Peer Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:03:02 -0400 > It is somewhat satisfying to me to see people getting nicked for the > violation of carrying less than 3 people, but at the same time it is > all to obvious that this offense wouldn't be a problem if the police > parked at the 'on-ramps'. But as Leon noted, it's about revenue not > about discouraging the scofflaws. Maybe, maybe not. It seems to me that any lawyer worth his fancy briefcase could probably get a client off if all the client did was get pulled over on an HOV on-ramp. No violation had been committed at that point. "yerhonor, howsthewifeandkids, honest mistake, never do it again, besides the on-ramp isn't technically an HOV lane, gray area, prima facie, yada,yada,yada...kerching!" Lawyers are the real reason we've got thousands of laws in this country that basically say "don't drive like an a**hole". They keep finding ways to wiggle out of the existing laws. Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 12:23:30 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil (dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil [141.116.33.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02029 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:23:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:20:44 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206BF1C@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Re[2]: Sunday's "Running of the Squids" Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:21:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Just had my friend check the VA statute and there is nothing in there about "riding in large groups". Maybe MD is different? It may be suggested in the VA book but it doesn't seem to be a law. So when should we do a DC Cycles ride with all 200 and some subscribed? :-) Glenn >From what I understand, it is illegal to ride in extremely large groups not to >mention that most folks were probably flat freakin' flyin'... looks like they >had it coming to them. >When I used to street race (cars) a few years back, this was a common >occurrence. The police knew what we were doing, we knew that we were breaking >the law, and we got what we deserved. Most of us knew to have all of our >stuff in order, however. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 12:30:22 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil (dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil [141.116.33.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02210 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:27:38 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206BF1F@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:28:17 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Speaking of such how often do you see our finest EVER doing the speed limit? I'd say of the ones I get behind its about 1 and 15. Just yesterday I was behind one of FFX's finest coming through Annandale on Columbia Pike. The speed limit is 25, I was doing 40 easily and he was pulling away. No lights, appeared to be just normal driving for this cop. What ever happened to practice what you preach? Glenn >This morning I counted 6 marked cop cars in the 25 or so miles of HOV lanes. > There were also at least 3 unmarked cars in the traffic mix, but I think >those were just commuters. If they want to make the traffic go 55 on the >HOV lanes, then the 55 mph pace cars is the only effective way to do it. >The HOV is a well designed 75 mph road, people won't drive 55 on a road that >is obviously safe at 75. The government already has the pace cars on the >road, all they need to do is tell all the cops commuting in that their job >is to go 55 and slow traffic. I'd love to see this done for a month or two, >let's see what the public says about driving 55 on a road with a 55 mph >speed limit. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 12:49:46 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02566 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA03267 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:49:10 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990721124326.01ef0df0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:49:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Speeding officers In-Reply-To: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206BF1F@dadc040.hqda.pent agon.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:28 PM 7/21/99 , Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: >Speaking of such how often do you see our finest EVER doing the speed limit? >I'd say of the ones I get behind its about 1 and 15. Just yesterday I was >behind one of FFX's finest coming through Annandale on Columbia Pike. The >speed limit is 25, I was doing 40 easily and he was pulling away. No >lights, appeared to be just normal driving for this cop. What ever happened >to practice what you preach? > >Glenn Cops have always done this. One time in NE, DC a DC MC Cop used a media cut through to go against traffic for 10 feet, then turn into the ally I used to work in. I followed him - he didn't have his lights on, so I assumed it was OK. No problem. About two weeks later, I was in DC around midnight, showing a friend where I worked. This isn't a great neighborhood (across from RI Metro station) and I pulled the same move and went on my way. On our way back out, two cops rushed the car. They thought we did it right in their faces thinking they wouldnt do anything about it. When I confronted Johnny about his MC riding brother in arms, he said "sometimes, as police, we have to do things that you shouldn't". I didn't believe it then, and I don't believe it now. A good friend of mine is an Alexandria deputy...another is a Manassas Fireman. Both say the same thing - cops hate to be behind people, cause they go exactly the speed limit. I would say they bring that on themselves..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 13:15:58 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03152 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:15:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FF800ON8D1UHO@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:10:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA01282; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:11:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990721171042.QPUE30241@toddnt>; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:10:42 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:08:55 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: PW Journal (Editorial) July 20th In-reply-to: <199907200952.AA11665730@tidalwave.net> To: horkster@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Message-id: <000d01bed39b$b6a87ec0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Ok Dale, Don't keep us in suspense. I would like to try and make this meeting. Details please. T > -----Original Message----- > From: Horkster [mailto:horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 9:52 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: FWD: PW Journal (Editorial) July 20th > > > DC Dirtbikers take note: A grassroots campaign is starting > in Prince William County to find an official place to ride > off highway vehicles. Their (our) next meeting is Thursday, > the 22nd (I'll post more info on that later). > > If you have an ATV/dirtbike and want a legal place to ride > in the area, you might want to show up and cheer these folks > on. I certainly will be doing so. :) > > Dale (the politically active Horkster) (no dirtbike yet) > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: PWORC@XXXXXX > Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 07:03:05 EDT > > Citizen coalition > THE DEBATE SURROUNDING off-road vehicles has recently flared > again. But this > time organization and cooperation may yield a solution. > > For about a decade, area off-road vehicle enthusiasts have applied a > variation on a squatters' rights theory to acquiring space to enjoy their > sport. But as vacant lots suited for the sport have decreased, complaints > from neighbors disturbed by the byproducts of flying dust and > roaring engines > have increased. > > Off-road vehicle is the umbrella term that includes dirt bikes, > all-terrain > vehicles and dual-purpose motorcycles. > > Worried that the local future of off-roading is at risk, devotees Joyce > Entremont and John Meyer are organizing riders into the Prince William > Off-Road Coalition. Once leadership is established in each magisterial > district, Meyer and Entremont plan to file for a charter with the > American > Motorcycle Association. > > The first fruits of the grass-roots group is a missive from the Prince > William Board of County Supervisors directing county staff to examine a > section of land at the Prince William landfill as a potential > ride park. A > report is expected next month. > > If approved, the designated section of public property would provide an > officially sanctioned venue for riders, free from fear of citations by > police. Currently, it is against a county ordinance for riders to > use county > property for sport or to ride on private property sans permission. > > It's good to see county residents and officials working together > to create a > legal place for off-road vehicles. And we heartily approve plans > to expand > the sport to include at-risk juveniles as a way of keeping them out of > trouble. But several assurances must be in place prior to approval. > > Above all else, the sport must be safe for both adults and > children. Because > government should never condone reckless behavior, the top of the safety > checklist must require participants to wear helmets. The > coalition and area > law enforcement must assure compliance. > > Additionally, the ride park should not generate a burdensome > amount of noise > to surrounding homes. Sufficient buffers and/or limits on the > maximum numbers > of riders at one time would achieve the goal. > > Off-roading is enjoying a resurgence of popularity as a family-friendly > sport. So long as safety precautions are upheld, the environment > isn't unduly > harmed and neighbors aren't forced to wear earplugs in their > living rooms, > the county should allow riders in designated public areas. > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 13:16:00 1999 Return-Path: sdave@XXXXXX Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03153 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112138036.cit.nih.gov [165.112.138.36]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA9818665 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3796004A.65C9AF91@radix.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:15:54 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speeding officers References: <4.1.19990721124326.01ef0df0@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No lights, no siren, no permission to violate A N Y traffic law, period. ONLY Police can violate the speed limit (legally) in MD, not ambulances, not fire trucks - legally. Some of the cops resent when people jump in behind them to let them 'throw a block' . I'm not sure of any that would have the stones to pace you from in front, but if so, you could subpoena the local jurisdiction's dispatch records to see if they were on a call. This could make life a little more difficult for them... I always move over to let the PG guys by as soon as I see them, without fail they blow by at least 80. They never look back. Md State troopers are a little more ego sensitive about this, so I just let them roll on by & get way ahead before I resume speed... About a month ago, I was walking to the office at NIH, when a campus cop roared around a turn on 2 wheels ( Blazer ) coming closer than I would have liked him to while I was ( already ) in a crosswalk. I called & complained. I got the usual blow off until I said " I had better not find out he was responding to anything less than a fatality when I subpoena your dispatch records for today". I got a profuse apology from the offender within 5 minutes, he said he was sorry no less than 10 times... Troutman wrote: > At 12:28 PM 7/21/99 , Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: > >Speaking of such how often do you see our finest EVER doing the speed limit? > >I'd say of the ones I get behind its about 1 and 15. Just yesterday I was > >behind one of FFX's finest coming through Annandale on Columbia Pike. The > >speed limit is 25, I was doing 40 easily and he was pulling away. No > >lights, appeared to be just normal driving for this cop. What ever happened > >to practice what you preach? > > > >Glenn > > Cops have always done this. One time in NE, DC a DC MC Cop used a media > cut through to go against traffic for 10 feet, then turn into the ally I > used to work in. I followed him - he didn't have his lights on, so I > assumed it was OK. No problem. About two weeks later, I was in DC around > midnight, showing a friend where I worked. This isn't a great neighborhood > (across from RI Metro station) and I pulled the same move and went on my > way. On our way back out, two cops rushed the car. They thought we did it > right in their faces thinking they wouldnt do anything about it. When I > confronted Johnny about his MC riding brother in arms, he said "sometimes, > as police, we have to do things that you shouldn't". > > I didn't believe it then, and I don't believe it now. > > A good friend of mine is an Alexandria deputy...another is a Manassas > Fireman. Both say the same thing - cops hate to be behind people, cause > they go exactly the speed limit. I would say they bring that on > themselves..... > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Analyst Soza & Company, Ltd. IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator ATG Group Webmaster (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 14:13:04 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04440 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id ADAC8160156; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:13:00 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990721140842.00b95930@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:09:16 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Speeding officers In-Reply-To: <3796004A.65C9AF91@radix.net> References: <4.1.19990721124326.01ef0df0@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:15 PM 7/21/99 , Dave Yates wrote: > About a month ago, I was walking to the office at NIH, when a campus cop >roared around a turn on 2 wheels ( Blazer ) coming closer than I would >have liked >him to while I was ( already ) in a crosswalk. I called & complained. I >got the >usual blow off until I said " I had better not find out he was responding to >anything less than a fatality when I subpoena your dispatch records for >today". >I got a profuse apology from the offender within 5 minutes, he said he was >sorry >no less than 10 times... Well done! Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 14:38:23 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04907 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:37:47 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: This weekend.. Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:37:35 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I'm looking to go for an overnight ride and camping trip this weekend.... Just wondering if anyone else is interested. Looking at riding somewhere into the mountains, pitching camp - hitting the local roads fr awhile then back to camp for the evening. Maybe some swimming (depending on the site) or hiking the next morning.. and then a nice ride home. Interest? Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 15:53:17 1999 Return-Path: granth@XXXXXX Received: from fedsco.sco.com (fedsco.sco.COM [132.147.168.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA06328 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 15:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from everex (everex.sco.COM [132.147.168.14]) by fedsco.sco.com (8.8.7/UW7.1.0) with ESMTP id PAA21130 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 15:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990721155346.00a99100@fedsco.sco.com> X-Sender: granth@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 15:54:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Grant Heffernan Subject: ride this weekend Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I'm going up to skyline at some point this weekend if anyone's interested. ********************************* Grant M. Heffernan Field Systems Engineer The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Reston, VA 20191 ph: (703) 715-8721 http://ussales/granth From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 16:08:52 1999 Return-Path: boy_lurker@XXXXXX Received: from web608.mail.yahoo.com (web608.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.172]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA06614 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990721200849.2613.rocketmail@web608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [166.41.251.160] by web608.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:08:49 EDT Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:08:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Combat Tourer Subject: Judgment! Was: Sounds like discrimination to me.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm still not clear how Louis Caplans bad experience with AIG got this thread going, and I really don't care. So w/o further rambling here is the list of those whose opinions about speed laws and such are without a doubt spot on correct, and any feeble argument from the rest of you losers can't change that :-P Leon B. (of course) Brian M. (just barely) Glenn D. (was there any doubt?) Todd P. (of course) Mike T. (tough call, but you made it) Chris M. ('cause I like him) Everyone else is simply wrong! And don't try to refute me or argue that you're right, because then you would be wrong again! The opinions were tallied based on nothing at all to do with empirical scientific method(s), a need to bring clear closure and, to possibly stir the embers a little further. These decisions have been taken as absolute, so no whiners :) :) B_L PS, This is levity. So, relax ;) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 18:45:27 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09289 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA27479 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:49:27 -0400 Message-Id: <199907211749.AA3408122@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Subject: PWORC Meeting Thursday 7/22 X-Mailer: Todd wrote: >Ok Dale, > Don't keep us in suspense. I would like to try and make this > meeting. > Details please. Oops, sorry, I did say I would be sending out meeting info. Here it is: The PWORC (Prince William Off Road Coalition) will be meeting on July 22, 7:30pm at the Prince of Peace United Methodist Church, 6299 Token Forest Drive (Prince William Parkway to Hoadly Road, in Dale City, Virginia. Turn onto Purcell Road at the first light, make an immediate right onto Token Forest, the church will be on your right). Last meeting saw one county supervisor boardmember, Ruth Griggs, present (and greatly appreciated), another official running for chairman of the board of county supervisors (also appreciated, but I didn't catch his name). All of the board members have been invited to this meeting, maybe a few more will show up. Also present was Diane Edwards, who most of you probably don't know is the very nice owner of Manassas Honda/Kawasaki (who also btw sell dirtbikes). Diane graciously offered to cover our mailing expenses (again) for a newsletter/mailings to board members (? a little fuzzy here) - anyway, she picked up the tab for something, I thought it was nice and worth mentioning here. Anyway, this group wants to the county to set aside some land as designated for off-road vehicle use. The 80-some acres of the nearly full county landfill is one area that's been suggested. There are other expanses around Nokesville that would be great, too. Imagine being able to take an off-road bike out somewhere near to the DC metro area where you are welcome and free (ok, maybe a small fee involved) to ride without disturbing angry homeowners or being hassled by the Man. A dual-sport may be in my near future (ack, they have chain drives, though, darn) if this place becomes a reality. I suspect I won't be alone. Anyway, you don't have to be a county resident to be welcome to the meeting (actually, you out-of-county'ers may actually get some of our Supervisors to wake up "what, people will actually TRAVEL to ride those things freely?!?" - it can only be a good thing. I'll be at the meeting. Hope to see a bunch of you folks there. Horkster (future krusty Demon of Dirt?) :) -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 18:45:29 1999 Return-Path: brown@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09291 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [199.34.35.130]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA12939 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (tiamat.obscure.org [199.34.35.130]) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA22095; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:43:07 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:43:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: Grant Heffernan cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ride this weekend In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990721155346.00a99100@fedsco.sco.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'll be riding skyline on Friday, heading to the RCR. Look for me, I'm on a familiar looking XX. (Thanks Zbig!) On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Grant Heffernan wrote: > Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 15:54:09 -0400 > From: Grant Heffernan > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: ride this weekend > > I'm going up to skyline at some point this weekend if anyone's interested. > > > ********************************* > Grant M. Heffernan > Field Systems Engineer > The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. > Reston, VA 20191 > ph: (703) 715-8721 > http://ussales/granth > > Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 18:45:24 1999 Return-Path: TZimm2450@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09287 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:45:23 -0400 (EDT) From: TZimm2450@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA01134 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TZimm2450@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.25) id 2RABa28210 (3947) for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <15728a4e.24c79b6c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:53:48 EDT Subject: "niggardly" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 This was a word used in the June edition of Motorcyclist when Ed was describing what he thought of a bike. If you look up the word then you would know it means, " 1. Grudging and petty in giving or spending. See synonyms at stingy. 2. Meanly small; scanty or meager: left the waiter a niggardly tip." It wasn't incorrect, It's just that people associated it with another word that is generally looked down on. TrevorZ 98YZF600 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 06:50:37 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA22766 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 06:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flf960r1.ems.att.com ([135.71.244.37]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id GAA17432 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 06:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh2.ems.att.com by flf960r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id GAA19276; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 06:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh2.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 06:49:48 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B55AD@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Subject: Darwinism takes a holiday Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 06:49:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain What bothers me is that it seems to rarely happen *before* they breed. >>Kind of deep. I guess the ride home is kind of like natural >>selection being acted out in front of me. sort of an exercise >>in 'Darwinism'. Death seems a little harsh to me. How about >>a chain gang, so they can pave new roads for the rest of us? >Death isn't imposed on the stupid by others, it's a naturally occuring >result of his/her own actions. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 07:04:09 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web301.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.232]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA22976 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990722110419.24619.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web301.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:04:19 EDT Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:04:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Judgment! Was: Sounds like discrimination to me.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Combat Tourer wrote: > I'm still not clear how Louis Caplans bad experience > with AIG got this thread going, and I really don't > care. I was wondering about that myself! 8^) I did send a slightly modified version of the orignal e-mail (about AIG, not HOV, speed limits, or other things) to the AMA. I'm not holding my breath until I hear from them, as I'm sure they have a lot of issues to deal with, but at least they'll know about it. As for the rest of the discussion that came out of this... I'll just sit back and watch. *grin* {snip} > Everyone else is simply wrong! And don't try to > refute me or argue that you're right, because then you > would be wrong again! Wow, who can argue with this approach? :-) > PS, This is levity. So, relax ;) Let's go ride. Louis === Louis Caplan Alexandria, VA 1998 Kawasaki Concours 11th place, Capitol 1000 "Mean Green Scream Machine" Proud Sponsor of Joe Denton http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 07:16:22 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA23206 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA28408 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:16:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Good dealers for new bike purchase Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm in the market for some new dirt bikes (a couple midsize 4strokes and a small 4stroke) and wanted to see if there was a local dealer that was actually worth going into to buy a new bike. Any good ones out there? Thanks, Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 07:24:46 1999 Return-Path: sdave@XXXXXX Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA23285 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:24:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112138036.cit.nih.gov [165.112.138.36]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA9600024 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3796FF6C.68088A4E@radix.net> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:24:28 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "'DCC'" Subject: Speaking of Darwinism... References: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B55AD@vae820po01.nova.att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Death isn't imposed on the stupid by others, it's a naturally occuring > result of his/her own actions. I've been almost run over by 3 lane changing idiots in 3 days. It's getting monotonous. 1: pickup on Beltway decides far left lane is more attractive despite his inability to keep up with traffic. he decides to occupy said lane while I'm *right* next to him. I try the horn, no effect. I roll on throttle hard, as soon as the revs go up, he jumps back into line. I go on my merry way to work. Good thing he wasn't too quick coming over. 2: Neon comes off 295 exit to 210 South, crossing an immediate 2 lanes. Idiot driver is almost front wheel to driver's window with me. No signal, just comes over. Horn: ineffective. I roll hard on the throttle, doesn't budge until I'm waaaaaaayyyyy past. I was about a foot away from out of pavement, as he ran me to the shoulder. I cursed him vehemently for at least 10 seconds as he came to a near stop, while I kept going. 3: by this time, it's old hat...Stake body, on the Beltway. No sense even bothering with the horn, it appears to be useless... I just blast past him shaking my head ruefully. My observations: I need one of those air horns the put on the cruise ships. 2: I need to make it a little more entertaining for these type of idiots, I'm thinking my ZX11 would do well with some 1" thick sharpened aluminum spikes welded to the frame front back & to the sides. it works for porcupines... -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Analyst Soza & Company, Ltd. IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator ATG Group Webmaster (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 07:51:53 1999 Return-Path: ph@XXXXXX Received: from pine.eainet.com (root@XXXXXX [206.136.246.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA23732 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak (ph@XXXXXX [206.136.246.2]) by pine.eainet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA08040; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:53:42 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:51:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: Dave Yates cc: "'DCC'" Subject: Horns [was: Speaking of Darwinism...] In-Reply-To: <3796FF6C.68088A4E@radix.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hmm... Sounds like you could use a louder horn. I have an after market horn that gets me noticed; it puts most car horns to shame. Funny though, sometimes cagers end up looking around for the *large* car that must have just honked. :) Pete. On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Dave Yates wrote: > > Death isn't imposed on the stupid by others, it's a naturally occuring > > result of his/her own actions. > > I've been almost run over by 3 lane changing idiots in 3 days. It's > getting monotonous. > 1: pickup on Beltway decides far left lane is more attractive despite his > inability to keep up with traffic. he decides to occupy said lane while > I'm *right* next to him. I try the horn, no effect. I roll on throttle > hard, as soon as the revs go up, he jumps back into line. I go on my merry > way to work. Good thing he wasn't too quick coming over. > 2: Neon comes off 295 exit to 210 South, crossing an immediate 2 lanes. > Idiot driver is almost front wheel to driver's window with me. No signal, > just comes over. Horn: ineffective. I roll hard on the throttle, doesn't > budge until I'm waaaaaaayyyyy past. I was about a foot away from out of > pavement, as he ran me to the shoulder. I cursed him vehemently for at > least 10 seconds as he came to a near stop, while I kept going. > 3: by this time, it's old hat...Stake body, on the Beltway. No sense even > bothering with the horn, it appears to be useless... I just blast past him > shaking my head ruefully. > > My observations: I need one of those air horns the put on the cruise > ships. 2: I need to make it a little more entertaining for these type of > idiots, I'm thinking my ZX11 would do well with some 1" thick sharpened > aluminum spikes welded to the frame front back & to the sides. it works > for porcupines... > > -- > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 > SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Analyst > Soza & Company, Ltd. > IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator > ATG Group Webmaster > (301) 496-3760 > > --- Peter Hartzler Ellsworth Associates, Inc. ph@XXXXXX (703) 821-3090 x 252 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 08:16:50 1999 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA24175 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw2a.lmco.com (mailgw2a.lmco.com [192.91.147.7]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA07358 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss03g01.ems.lmco.com (emss03g01.ems.lmco.com [141.240.4.144]) by mailgw2a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA08800; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:16:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38888) id <0FF900B01U1SME@XXXXXX>; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:15:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss09m01.ems.lmco.com ([158.183.24.5]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38888) with ESMTP id <0FF900J24U1RGB@XXXXXX>; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emss09m01.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2580.0) id ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:18:27 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:14:44 -0400 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: PWORC Meeting Thursday 7/22 To: "'horkster@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A01656116@EMSS09M05> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2580.0) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Does this mean that if this goes through and they make a Mud Mecca for bikes that they will then go a pass a law that you can't ride your dirt bike at home because "look - go there and "pay" to ride ; we've set this aside for you, you don't have to ride at home, you just pull you dirt bike up into a truck, drive 20 or miles and then ride....." Don't get me wrong, I like the idea but I also like the idea of being able to ride at home too if so inclined. > -----Original Message----- > From: Horkster [SMTP:horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 5:49 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; todd.b.peer@XXXXXX > Subject: PWORC Meeting Thursday 7/22 > > Todd wrote: > > >Ok Dale, > > > Don't keep us in suspense. I would like to try and make this > > meeting. > > Details please. > > Oops, sorry, I did say I would be sending out meeting info. > Here it is: > > The PWORC (Prince William Off Road Coalition) will be meeting on July > 22, 7:30pm at the Prince of Peace United Methodist Church, 6299 Token > Forest Drive (Prince William Parkway to Hoadly Road, in Dale City, > Virginia. Turn onto Purcell Road at the first light, make an immediate > right onto Token Forest, the church will be on your right). > > Last meeting saw one county supervisor boardmember, Ruth Griggs, > present (and greatly appreciated), another official running for > chairman of the board of county supervisors (also appreciated, but > I didn't catch his name). All of the board members have been invited > to this meeting, maybe a few more will show up. Also present was > Diane Edwards, who most of you probably don't know is the very nice > owner of Manassas Honda/Kawasaki (who also btw sell dirtbikes). Diane > graciously offered to cover our mailing expenses (again) for a > newsletter/mailings to board members (? a little fuzzy here) - anyway, > she picked up the tab for something, I thought it was nice and worth > mentioning here. > > Anyway, this group wants to the county to set aside some land as > designated for off-road vehicle use. The 80-some acres of the nearly > full county landfill is one area that's been suggested. There are > other expanses around Nokesville that would be great, too. > > Imagine being able to take an off-road bike out somewhere near to > the DC metro area where you are welcome and free (ok, maybe a small fee > involved) to ride without disturbing angry homeowners or being hassled > by the Man. A dual-sport may be in my near future (ack, they have > chain drives, though, darn) if this place becomes a reality. I > suspect I won't be alone. > > Anyway, you don't have to be a county resident to be welcome to the > meeting (actually, you out-of-county'ers may actually get some of > our Supervisors to wake up "what, people will actually TRAVEL to > ride those things freely?!?" - it can only be a good thing. > > I'll be at the meeting. Hope to see a bunch of you folks there. > > Horkster (future krusty Demon of Dirt?) :) > > > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR > 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) > > "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet > sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." > - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" > -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 08:51:13 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA25594 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A3BD12CF0290; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:51:09 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990722082923.00bc7e00@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:35:40 -0400 To: "'DCC'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Speaking of Darwinism... In-Reply-To: <3796FF6C.68088A4E@radix.net> References: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B55AD@vae820po01.nova.att.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:24 AM 7/22/99 , Dave Yates wrote: > I've been almost run over by 3 lane changing idiots in 3 days. It's >getting monotonous. They're the rock, you're the river - flow around them. Watch for them, try to never ride where they can change lanes into you. You're at the bottom of the food chain. >My observations: I need one of those air horns the put on the cruise >ships. $30 at Trak Auto will get you air horns ("Italian sports car") or a pair of electric snail-shell horns ("big American sedan"). $70 will get a pair of Hella disc horns that are supposed to be even louder. My last pair of snail-shell horns were $5 from the junkyard, off a Ford Taurus. A 3-foot set of truck air horns for the bike would be nice, but need an accumulator (air reservoir) and big compressor. Of course, just because they can hear you doesn't mean they'll give a shit. In fact, they probably won't. But it's nice to cause a heart attack in an incompetent driver now and then. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 09:14:26 1999 Return-Path: sdave@XXXXXX Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26367 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112138036.cit.nih.gov [165.112.138.36]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA5998685 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37971924.CB8261C8@radix.net> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:14:12 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "'DCC'" Subject: Re: Speaking of Darwinism... References: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B55AD@vae820po01.nova.att.com> <4.2.0.58.19990722082923.00bc7e00@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > Of course, just because they can hear you doesn't mean they'll give a > shit. In fact, they probably won't. But it's nice to cause a heart attack > in an incompetent driver now and then. This just helps to 'thin out the herd' of incompetent cagers. Darwinism. maybe we just need to help it along a little. -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Analyst Soza & Company, Ltd. IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator ATG Group Webmaster (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 09:39:00 1999 Return-Path: brown@XXXXXX Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (root@XXXXXX [199.34.35.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26785 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (tiamat.obscure.org [199.34.35.130]) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA13356; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:38:50 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:38:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: Dave Yates cc: "'DCC'" Subject: Re: Speaking of Darwinism... In-Reply-To: <3796FF6C.68088A4E@radix.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > My observations: I need one of those air horns the put on the cruise > ships. JC Witless sells sets of airhorns which are small enough for mounting on most motorcycles, but sound like a Semi-truck's horns. They were ~$30 last I looked. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 09:45:16 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA26944 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:45:14 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA24691; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:45:58 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma023681; Thu, 22 Jul 99 09:44:51 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FF900ATVYASF1@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567B6.004B6646 ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:43:22 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:37:54 -0400 Subject: Re: Good dealers for new bike purchase To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <852567B6.004B5D9D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Kirk, I've had great service from Loudon Motorsports since buying my VTR there. I've taken it in for two services there so far, and they're always straightforward and fair. The VTR purchase was the most bullshit-free transaction I can remember going through. They only sell Hondas, though, so only check them out if you're in the market for one of these. If it helps you make your decision, I think the owner and a couple other employees are active dirt bikers (the owner has a VTR too ;^)) I've heard a lot of good things about Manassas Honda also, but I've only bought accessories there, never anything more involved. Again, Hondas only here. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 To: DC-Cycles Mailing List cc: From: Kirk Roy Date: 07/22/99 11:16:07 AM GMT Subject: Good dealers for new bike purchase I'm in the market for some new dirt bikes (a couple midsize 4strokes and a small 4stroke) and wanted to see if there was a local dealer that was actually worth going into to buy a new bike. Any good ones out there? 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From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 10:12:34 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27418 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:13:40 -0400 Message-Id: <199907221013.AA2146173016@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: CC: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: "niggardly" X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: TZimm2450@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:53:48 EDT >It wasn't incorrect, It's just that people associated it with another >word that is generally looked down on. -------------------------------------------------------------- Didn't some DC official use that word recently, and end up resigning over the stir it caused? I was utterly amazed. Yes, it sounded like a totally different word, so I could see the confusion that ensued - but to make it out to be a racial incident was just absurd. Horkster - who thinks folks are way too PC nowadays -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 10:28:27 1999 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA27694 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 22 Jul 1999 14:28:25 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA25905 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:28:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "niggardly" In-Reply-To: <199907221013.AA2146173016@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Didn't some DC official use that word recently, and end up > resigning over the stir it caused? I was utterly amazed. Yes, > it sounded like a totally different word, so I could see the > confusion that ensued - but to make it out to be a racial incident > was just absurd. > > Horkster - who thinks folks are way too PC nowadays He was fired immediatley, then they figured out what the word meant, they apologized and wanted to re-hire him, and he told them to go fly a kite. All the PC folks looked mighty stupid on that one. Brings to mind the Dilbert example of a Director at Taco Bell who used the word "pedagogue" to describe the training methods used for employees, and had some V.P. screaming for him to be fired, because he's a pedophile. When they pointed out what the word -really- meant, there was a memo sent out that no one should use words that could not be commonly found in the newspaper (or something to that effect). The director resigned about a week later, using newspaper clippings in his letter.. Personally, I dont get the whole PC garbage. Everyone's all hypersentive, discrimintory this, inflammatory that, and no one can say anything anymore. Alex. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 10:34:21 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27808 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:35:56 -0400 Message-Id: <199907221035.AA2154889336@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "Tracy (Work)" CC: "DC Cycles" , Subject: RE: PWORC Meeting Thursday 7/22 X-Mailer: My dear wife Tracy wrote: > Don't get me wrong, I like the idea but I also like the idea > of being able to ride at home too if so inclined. What? In our backyard? I can barely get a unicycle turned around back there! :) Tracy actually asks a good question. Where this whole movement started is some cranky neighbor with influence in PWC complaining about her neighbors riding their own dirt bikes on their own 9+ acres of land. She got a bill aired before the County proposing to limit off-roaders to parcels of land 10 acres or greater. Great hue and cry arose, petitions abounded (I signed mine over at Manassas Honda/Kawasaki in Manassas, I'm sure others of you did likewise) and the Supervisors were momentarily taken aback. PWORC suggested that instead of limiting tax-paying, honest citizens from enjoying the use of THEIR OWN LAND (what a concept?!?) and making criminals out of folks who throw a leg over their ATV/dirtbike in the front yard, thay maybe the county would be better served if they could designate (or at least allow) a large area where folks could go and ride their machines with minimal fuss from neighbors. Considering that every other major form of recreation has a place in the County (soccer fields, skateboarder parks, basketball/tennis courts, a bmx/bicycle area, bike/jogging paths, an ice rink for crying out loud) and that folks with off-highway vehicles pay real taxes on this stuff (ok, gas taxes at least) I think we've got a legitimate beef here. Even if the proposed site is commercial (with entry fees) I still think folks will trailer their bikes and show up and pay to ride without fear of getting a ticket. If we build it, they will come. I'll pay money to ride free, if that makes sense. I think commercially it could be a real money maker. If we can convince the County that people would prefer to ride in a nicely featured designated area instead of wearing down ruts in their own backyards less neighbors would be complaining about dust and noise. And Tracy dear, if we ever end up getting dirt bikes, those suckers are gonna be street legal so we can RIDE them over to the landfill and play. :) No trailers for this family! And no more bikes that aren't capable of an IBA ride. :) Someone at the last meeting says the state of Michigan has so many off road trails for their residents, they actually publish maps for their riders. We've got squat. It's time to change that. The meeting is tonight at 7:30 - I hope I've encouraged some of our DC-cycles friends to show up and voice their support. -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 10:37:44 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27887 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:39:21 -0400 Message-Id: <199907221039.AA2182742092@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Subject: Re: Good dealers for new bike purchase X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Kirk Roy Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:16:07 -0400 (EDT) >I'm in the market for some new dirt bikes (a couple midsize 4strokes >and a small 4stroke) and wanted to see if there was a local dealer that >was actually worth going into to buy a new bike. Any good ones out >there? Kirk, Like I said earlier, the owner of Manassas Honda/Kawasaki has been very supportive of our efforts to bring an off-road riding area to Prince William County. Her shop has been my dealer of choice for my street bikes, and considering how little I like dealers, that is saying something. They've got lots of dirtbikes out front on display, too. :) Regards, Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 10:48:25 1999 Return-Path: redsullivan@XXXXXX Received: from web501.yahoomail.com (web501.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA28074 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:48:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990722144837.29207.rocketmail@web501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [198.45.19.20] by web501.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:48:37 EDT Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:48:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: Re: Good dealers for new bike purchase To: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kirk, I haven't bought a bike from Cycles USA on Georgia Ave. near Silver Spring, but their service department has been fast and competent. The staff, including the salesmen, have been helpful, and the prices seemed pretty fair (they had discounts on some models). Cycles USA carries three of the Big Four, but not Yamaha. Sean Sullivan VF500 --- Kirk Roy wrote: > I'm in the market for some new dirt bikes (a couple > midsize 4strokes and a > small 4stroke) and wanted to see if there was a > local dealer that was > actually worth going into to buy a new bike. Any > good ones out there? > > Thanks, > > Kirk > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 10:58:59 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA28256 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A1AB13610290; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:58:51 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990722105152.00bc0bb0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:56:13 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: "niggardly" In-Reply-To: References: <199907221013.AA2146173016@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:28 AM 7/22/99 , Alex Milenkovic wrote: > > Didn't some DC official use that word recently, and end up > > resigning over the stir it caused? I was utterly amazed. Yes, > > it sounded like a totally different word, so I could see the > > confusion that ensued - but to make it out to be a racial incident > > was just absurd. > > > > Horkster - who thinks folks are way too PC nowadays > >He was fired immediatley, then they figured out what the word meant, >they apologized and wanted to re-hire him, and he told them to go fly >a kite. > >All the PC folks looked mighty stupid on that one. Especially the person who complaiined about the word "niggardly", to whom the somewhat-similar-sounding racial epithet could have been applied. Nothing like having your ignorance and racism displayed on the front page of the Washington Post! Of course, being Washington DC, there's more to it - the aid who resigned is gay, so the gay rights folks were trumpeting that the Mayor was firing the guy because he's gay, and using a niggardly excuse. Excuse me, but I have some social intercourse to engage in, perhaps including masticating in public. Then I'll go find a proselyte I know who works in a church! Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 10:59:41 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web1105.mail.yahoo.com (web1105.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.125]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA28259 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:59:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990722145827.28681.rocketmail@web1105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1105.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:58:27 EDT Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:58:27 -0400 (EDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "niggardly" To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Horkster wrote: > Didn't some DC official use that word recently, and > end up > resigning over the stir it caused? I was utterly > amazed. Yes, > it sounded like a totally different word, so I could > see the > confusion that ensued - but to make it out to be a > racial incident > was just absurd. That's the basic chain of events, but it seemed kind of clear to me that the person making the stir about the word had another axe to grind... aparently the guy who resigned had been brought in from outside the department to be his boss & I got a sense that there might be some "sour grapes" or "kill the newcomer!" stuff going on. Speculation on my part though. > Horkster - who thinks folks are way too PC nowadays Definitely, that's why I have a Mac. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 11:05:18 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1101.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA28432 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990722150432.22273.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1101.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:04:32 EDT Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:04:32 -0400 (EDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "niggardly" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Alex Milenkovic wrote: > He was fired immediatley, then they figured out what > the word meant, > they apologized and wanted to re-hire him, and he > told them to go fly > a kite. Actually, he resigned, but a lot of people thought that Tony Williams shouldn't have accepted his resignation. > All the PC folks looked mighty stupid on that one. A lot of the "PC folks" (whoever the hell that is) loudly criticized Williams and supported the guy. > Personally, I dont get the whole PC garbage. > Everyone's all hypersentive, > discrimintory this, inflammatory that, and no one > can say anything > anymore. I am in total agreement that the "niggardly" flap and the Taco Bell incidents are examples of people being stupid, and it annoys me to know end. At the same time whenever I encounter someone complaining about how "everyone's too PC!" and "you can't say ANYTHING anymore!" it's usually a straight white guy complaining that people get on his case about being a jerk. The extreme "thought police" aspect to it all is really disturbing, but if you have lived with the experience of being a minority in this society you get used to hearing a lot of stupid crap all the time. If people would think before opening their mouths we wouldn't have the over-reactions that we all hate so much. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 11:16:18 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28627 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.148]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:01:05 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Troutman" , Subject: RE: more traffic stuff. - Montana speed Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:03:57 -0400 Message-ID: <001e01bed453$6c4cd020$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990721103443.01828370@mail.wheatintl.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NHTSA is not the nation's best source for information. Read some of Patrick Bedard's columns in Car and Driver on the subject (the only reason I still subscribe). Essentially, the NHTSA is largely headed by Al Gore's green police who would like us to do anything possible to be forced into mass transit. Barring that, horse and buggies. They change the methods for calculating their statistics in an effort to keep their budget rising for additional 'safety' programs. They illegally use taxpayer money to lobby local governments. As we all know, there are three types of lies. The NHTSA excels at the third type. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 11:25:40 1999 Return-Path: NickKaiho@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28774 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:25:38 -0400 (EDT) From: NickKaiho@XXXXXX Received: from NickKaiho@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.25) id 2XIYa11392 (8055) for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:24:57 EDT Subject: Re: "niggardly" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Yeah, but the best part is what the head of the NAACP said after this incident.. WASHINGTON -- The chairman of the NAACP says Washington Mayor Anthony Williams acted in a "niggardly" way by accepting the resignation of an aide who offended some people by using that word in a conversation. from: http://www.detroitfreepress.com/news/nw/qslur29.htm -Nick << > > Didn't some DC official use that word recently, and end up > > resigning over the stir it caused? I was utterly amazed. Yes, > > it sounded like a totally different word, so I could see the > > confusion that ensued - but to make it out to be a racial incident > > was just absurd. >> From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 11:28:15 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28841 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:29:51 -0400 Message-Id: <199907221129.AA4587776@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "Tracy (Work)" CC: "DC Cycles" , Subject: RE: PWORC Meeting Thursday 7/22 X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:14:44 -0400 >Does this mean that if this goes through and they make a Mud Mecca for >bikes Mud Mecca - I kind of like that term! We'll have to get Joyce to mention it at the meeting to tonight. :) Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 11:32:41 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28960 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:34:17 -0400 Message-Id: <199907221134.AA2032140532@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Subject: Re: "niggardly" X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- Excuse me, but I have some social intercourse to engage in, perhaps including masticating in public. -------------------------------------------------------------- Pervert. There oughta be a law against that. :) Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 11:37:45 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA29071 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:37:30 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: "niggardly" Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:37:26 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Damn... we're back to stupidity ruining our lives... Can we have a concentration camp for the mentaly incompetant? How about segregation or reservations for the stupid? Work deatil so they can be driven (via bus) to their labor jobs.... Yea.. we can have 2 classes, we who think, and those who don't... yea.. yea.. I like this more and more......... Brian (I'll Rule, thank you!) McCoy > -----Original Message----- > From: John Whiteside [mailto:johncx500@XXXXXX] > If > people would think before opening their mouths we > wouldn't have the over-reactions that we all hate so > much. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 12:19:07 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA29786 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA07453 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000d01bed45f$07e0b0a0$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: References: Subject: Re: "niggardly" Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:27:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Hey! When did this become the DC-Politics list??? Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 12:35:21 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA00268 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A843F62029E; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:35:15 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990722123528.00ba6100@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:36:11 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: "niggardly" In-Reply-To: <000d01bed45f$07e0b0a0$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:27 PM 7/22/99 , Thomas and Jeannette wrote: >Hey! When did this become the DC-Politics list??? > >Tom >'86 VFR750 Aren't you being a little niggardly with the bandwidth? :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 12:52:37 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA00558 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA02536 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <36RDGF8M>; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:57:19 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427D4F348@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: "niggardly" Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:57:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sounds like ..... doh! So why use the term? High-profile public-office guy eats foot--hey, I apprecaite a good miser. Like my late granddaddy used to say: "Pinch that penny and make it scream nickle." But, on another note: >Actually, he resigned, but a lot of people thought >that Tony Williams shouldn't have accepted his >resignation. Was he "allowed to resign" under the crosshairs, or did he go gleefully off to his next endeavor? And yet again: As one gal I know told me when I said the ERA was redundant, "well that shoe's not pinching your foot." But ya know, just about any collective group can find an axe to grind. So go out and have fun on those two-wheeled dream machines and watch out for those ____(insert derogatory remarks here) cagers. See ya in the funny papers, Mike 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 12:56:46 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA00591 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:56:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA02565 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:56:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <36RDGF8T>; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:01:34 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427D4F349@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: more traffic stuff. - Montana speed Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:01:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >subscribe). Essentially, the NHTSA is largely headed by Al Gore's green >police who would like us to do anything possible to be forced into mass >transit. Barring that, horse and buggies. Oh no, then we will trade exhaust emmisions for solid waste polution. Makes ya want to go and put a few miles on the bike, eh? Cheers, Mike From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 12:57:36 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web1105.mail.yahoo.com (web1105.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.125]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA00658 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990722165643.3642.rocketmail@web1105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1105.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:56:43 EDT Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:56:43 -0400 (EDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "niggardly" To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Chris Norloff wrote: > Aren't you being a little niggardly with the > bandwidth? That's it! Off the list! === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 13:06:04 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA01024 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:05:04 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:05:02 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:03:46 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "niggardly" -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Oh yeah? I heard your sister is a thespian! Excuse me, but I have some social intercourse to engage in, perhaps including masticating in public. Then I'll go find a proselyte I know who works in a church! Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 13:26:54 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA01326 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA02779 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <36RDGF0G>; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:31:41 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427D4F34A@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: cool blue R6 and hot red R1, but I'm green Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:31:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain If you have AVI and some bandwidth for download, these really are kinda fun The page says Yamaha 2000 walk arounds, but are these 1999 models? http://www.yamahausa.com/video/video.html Cool bike stuff to me anyway, Mike 82XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 13:34:46 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1204.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.140]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA01522 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990722173434.2102.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.94] by web1204.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:34:34 EDT Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:34:34 -0400 (EDT) From: ImTheMan ITM Subject: upcoming events? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii SO can someone tell me where I can find a list of dc-cycles upcoming riding events? You know the webpage link is busted. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 13:43:45 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA01728 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Anita.dlt.com ([199.4.241.102]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA00455; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:43:48 -0400 Message-Id: <199907221743.NAA00455@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: ImTheMan ITM , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:44:09 -0400 Subject: Re: upcoming events? Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19990722173434.2102.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) I posted a bunch of "organized" activies on the Yahoo! club calendar page.. http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcareariders Rides that are solely "dc-cycles" are usually not planned more than a few days in advance, and info will be posted to the list. Anita On 22 Jul 99, at 13:34, ImTheMan ITM wrote: > > SO can someone tell me where I can find a list > of dc-cycles upcoming riding events? You know > the webpage link is busted. > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 13:47:43 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA01825 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:47:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA06595 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:47:39 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990722134652.01a5e9c0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:47:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: upcoming events? In-Reply-To: <19990722173434.2102.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:34 PM 7/22/99 , ImTheMan ITM wrote: > >SO can someone tell me where I can find a list >of dc-cycles upcoming riding events? You know >the webpage link is busted. You're the man - can't you find it? Try the Yahoo Clubs page for dc-cycles. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 13:50:38 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web306.yahoomail.com (web306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA01912 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990722175036.22814.rocketmail@web306.yahoomail.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web306.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:50:36 EDT Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:50:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: upcoming events? To: ImTheMan ITM , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- ImTheMan ITM wrote: > SO can someone tell me where I can find a list > of dc-cycles upcoming riding events? You know > the webpage link is busted. Are you referring to the web page at www.clark.net/~louis/blah_blah_blah for the one you say is busted? I didn't realize it was still listed anywhere. Can you let me know where you saw it? If so, I closed out my clark.net account a while back. Sorry. I had been listing things on the page, but people stopped sending me the information about when rides were being held. I think they were migrating over to the Yahoo Calendar, but can't verify. If there is an interest, I could set up a ride page on my new web host, but people would have to send me information about the rides for me to put it up. Louis now found at http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 13:59:56 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA02019 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:01:33 -0400 Message-Id: <199907221401.AA2521235532@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" CC: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: "niggardly" X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:37:26 -0700 >Damn... we're back to stupidity ruining our lives... Can we have a >concentration camp for the mentaly incompetant? I thought that was what Washington, DC was for? Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 14:09:16 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA02238 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA06661; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:09:10 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990722140812.01a5e620@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:09:04 -0400 To: "George Howell" From: Troutman Subject: RE: more traffic stuff. - Montana speed Cc: In-Reply-To: <001e01bed453$6c4cd020$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> References: <4.1.19990721103443.01828370@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:03 AM 7/22/99 , George Howell wrote: >As we all know, there are three types of lies. The NHTSA excels at the third >type. And I thought that only politicians and weathermen were paid to lie. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 15:38:03 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03963 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 15:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA10253 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 15:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 15:37:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: PWORC Meeting Thursday 7/22 In-Reply-To: <199907221035.AA2154889336@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Horkster wrote: > If we can convince the County that people would prefer to ride in > a nicely featured designated area instead of wearing down ruts in > their own backyards less neighbors would be complaining about dust > and noise. You've obviously never been to a popular weekend dirt riding area. Some of those places can get downright nuts. Imagine squids set loose on the dirt but without any kind of traffic laws holding them back... I'm sure the idea has some merit but I can't imagine I'd want to be there on the weekends... > And no more bikes that aren't capable of an IBA ride. :) Forgot about real dirt riding then (unless you're a masochist)! Who wants to do a SS1K on a 250 lb bike with a seat that you're meant to hover above, not sit on? Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 16:44:57 1999 Return-Path: harris@XXXXXX Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05076 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (pm7h-41.his.com [209.67.210.41]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA14087; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990722163834.008f16d0@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:38:34 -0400 To: ImTheMan ITM , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: upcoming events? In-Reply-To: <19990722173434.2102.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:34 PM 7/22/99 -0400, ImTheMan ITM wrote: > >SO can someone tell me where I can find a list >of dc-cycles upcoming riding events? Don't know about the web page, but Team Charm will be racing in the WERA 4 hour endurance at Summit Point on 7/31. Additionally I'll be heavey weight twins race. Come out & pit crew, have a good time. Only an hour & half from beltway. Stephen Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 16:45:37 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05148 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA03886 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:29:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:30:48 -0400 Message-Id: <199907221630.AA3030057080@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Subject: RE: PWORC Meeting Thursday 7/22 X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Kirk Roy Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 15:37:58 -0400 (EDT) >You've obviously never been to a popular weekend dirt riding area. >Some of those places can get downright nuts. Agreed, there needs to be a degree of self-regulation. Kirk, I know you and Todd ride off road. Where, if you guys don't mind me asking, do you ride? Is it legal? Are you on someone's land with their permission, or are you guys sneaking out somewhere? If you don't wanna give out a great secret spot, I understand. Personally, I hate the thought of worrying about getting caught when I'm supposed to be having fun doing something (I guess some would argue that this enhances the fun...not me) As to LD dirtbiking, I've taken a brief spin on Todd's yama-hopper. It was cool. I could see averaging 41.667 mph for 24 hours on something like that. Could be fun as hell, with the right route. :) Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 16:51:52 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1201.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.137]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA05261 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990722204908.15374.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.94] by web1201.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:49:08 EDT Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:49:08 -0400 (EDT) From: ImTheMan ITM Subject: Re: upcoming events? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I was looking more for a near dc to annapolis type of ride with a group.. but I can wait till whenever a bunch of you plan something a few days ahead of time. This saturday evening I have planned ride with a young lady from my MSF course. I'd invite you all, but she's kind of hot, so i'm hoping it can turn into dinner btw I read this mailing list at yahoo, i'm on the yahoo club as well as this mailing list.. kinda gets confusign i'm not sure which messages i'm reading --- Stephen Harris wrote: > At 01:34 PM 7/22/99 -0400, ImTheMan ITM wrote: > > > >SO can someone tell me where I can find a list > >of dc-cycles upcoming riding events? > > > Don't know about the web page, but Team Charm will > be racing in the WERA 4 > hour endurance at Summit Point on 7/31. > Additionally I'll be heavey weight > twins race. Come out & pit crew, have a good time. > Only an hour & half > from beltway. > > Stephen > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? > Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 16:54:45 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.139]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA05288 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990722205425.26939.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.94] by web1203.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:54:25 EDT Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:54:25 -0400 (EDT) From: ImTheMan ITM Subject: Re: upcoming events? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey, the man isn't perfect, but the man knows how to seek knowledge, and where to ask, here :) Ok you got me.. I'm not the man.. but I try to be.. well it's either that or I have low self and need self affurmation ego boosting haha :) --- Troutman wrote: > At 01:34 PM 7/22/99 , ImTheMan ITM wrote: > > > >SO can someone tell me where I can find a list > >of dc-cycles upcoming riding events? You know > >the webpage link is busted. > > You're the man - can't you find it? > > Try the Yahoo Clubs page for dc-cycles. > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > Work is for people who don't know how to ride a > motorcycle. > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 17:10:23 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA05590 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 17:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id RAA09980; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 17:10:13 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 17:10:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: Stephen Harris cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: upcoming events? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990722163834.008f16d0@mail.his.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Stephen Harris wrote: > Don't know about the web page, but Team Charm will be racing in the WERA 4 > hour endurance at Summit Point on 7/31. Additionally I'll be heavey weight > twins race. Come out & pit crew, have a good time. Only an hour & half > from beltway. And with that, I'll throw in a plug as well... DC-Cycles Racing will also be at Summit that weekend, with Collin coming down from Michigan I believe. Jeff and I will be racing for sure, dunno about Jay ... I saw he was selling his CBR. Since it's not a Vintage weekend, Fred and Joe won't be able to smoke up the place with those old... er, I mean ... sadly won't be able to participate ;) Brian McCoy is still recovering from surgery, but it would not suprise me to find him on the track if it's at all possible for him to do so. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 19:20:48 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA08093 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.115]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:15:33 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Peter Hartzler" , "Dave Yates" Cc: "'DCC'" Subject: RE: Horns [was: Speaking of Darwinism...] Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:18:29 -0400 Message-ID: <002701bed498$825cf440$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > Sounds like you could use a louder horn. I have an after market horn that > gets me noticed; it puts most car horns to shame. Funny though, sometimes > cagers end up looking around for the *large* car that must have just > honked. :) The trick is the 'looking around' part. That's a good thing. They might accidentally see a motorcycle. BTW, I've had good luck with FIAMM horns. I get 'em at Trak Auto, but they can be had most anywhere. They aren't marked as such on the package, but if you look through the blister packaging, you should see it stamped into the body of the horn. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 19:25:44 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA08156 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:25:44 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v21.9.) id gRJHa19745 (4241); Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <488e21b4.24c901a0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:22:08 EDT Subject: Re: "niggardly" To: horkster@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 In a message dated 7/22/1999 2:08:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, horkster@XXXXXX writes: << >Damn... we're back to stupidity ruining our lives... Can we have a >concentration camp for the mentaly incompetant? I thought that was what Washington, DC was for? Horkster >> HEY!!!!!! I resemble that remark. :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 19:33:46 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA08312 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Anita.dlt.com ([199.4.241.102]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA08878 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:33:42 -0400 Message-Id: <199907222333.TAA08878@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:34:19 -0400 Subject: Sounds familiar... Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) >From the ST1100 list via the HSTA list... Q: How many list subscribers does it take to change a spark plug? A: 1,445: --1 to change the spark plug and to post to the mail list that the spark plug has been changed; --14 to share similar experiences of changing spark plugs and how the spark plug could have been changed differently; --7 to caution about the dangers of changing spark plugs; --27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing spark plugs; --53 to flame the spell checkers; --41 to correct spelling/grammar flames; --6 to argue over whether it's sparkplug?? or spark plug?? and another 6 to condemn those 6 as anal- retentive; --156 to write to the list administrator about the spark plug discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail list; --109 to post that this list is not about spark plugs and to please take this email exchange to sparkplug- .com; --203 to demand that cross posting to grammar-.com, spelling-.com and sparkplug-.com about changing spark plugs be stopped; --111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we all use spark plugs and therefore the posts *are* relevant to this mail list; --306 to debate which method of changing spark plugs is superior, where to buy the best spark plugs, what brand of spark plugs work best for this technique and what brands are faulty; --41 to point out that not all of us use spark plugs, representing all diesel owners; --58 to question why diesel owners are on a non-diesel mailing list; --3 to comment about conversions to electric; --27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different spark plugs; --14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly and to post the corrected URLs; --3 to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to this list which makes spark plugs relevant to this list; --33 to link all posts to date, then quote them including all headers and footers and then add Me too??; --12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they cannot handle the spark plug controversy; --19 to quote the Me too's?? to say Me three??; --4 to suggest that posters request the spark plug FAQ; --44 to ask what is FAQ??; --4 to say didn't we go through this already a short time ago dealing with oil filters??? --143 to ask what's an oil filter??? WHO'S ON FIRST? From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 22 22:12:56 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from alms1.fw.att.com (alms1.att.com [192.128.167.146]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA11503 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140r1.ems.att.com ([135.65.202.58]) by alms1.fw.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id WAA17038 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh2.ems.att.com by njb140r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id WAA03735; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh2.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:12:22 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE0149B2E1@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Beemer 4 Sale Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:12:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" A friend of mine from the Purcellville Motorcycle Non-Club recently bought an F650, and is now selling his R80RT. I had him write all this stuff down, so this is much more accurate than my posting about the EX500. :) This is going into the post tomorrow. The Features: Corbin Seat Reynolds Ride-Off Center Stand Koni Shocks Throttle Lock BMW Bags Tank Bag Fresh Top End Color-Matched Trunk Owner's Manual Dealer Maintained Metzler Tires 88,000 miles (but with the aforementioned fresh top end) $2,900 I forgot to ask what year it was. Damn. His name is Tom (but he wears a big orange helmet, so most people call him pumpkin head;), his home # is (540) 338-3465 Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 23 06:11:00 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA20894 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 06:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA10479 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 06:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA10826 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 06:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ursulina (207-172-44-55.s55.tnt3.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.44.55]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA28740 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 06:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <03f801bed50c$e0f614e0$752caccf@ursulina> From: "Ursulina Viteri" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Who's racing at Summit Point July 31 & Aug 1 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 06:11:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I plan to head on over to SP next weekend and would like to know who's racing and what their bike number is. (Also be nice to know which days or races they'll be participating in.) I'm sure to notice the numbers on the bikes before remembering who's on which color or type of bike. This could be my little "cheat sheet." :-) Collin Fagan: 310 Stephen Harris: 911 Saturday for endurance race / Sunday ? Jeff ? : ? Brian Roach: ? Jay St Peter: ? Brian McCoy: ? Anyone else from the group that will be racing? - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD -----Original Message----- From: Brian Roach To: Stephen Harris Cc: dc-cycles Date: Thursday, July 22, 1999 2:17 PM Subject: Re: upcoming events? >>On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Stephen Harris wrote: > >> Don't know about the web page, but Team Charm will be racing in the WERA 4 >> hour endurance at Summit Point on 7/31. Additionally I'll be heavey weight >> twins race. Come out & pit crew, have a good time. Only an hour & half >> from beltway. > >And with that, I'll throw in a plug as well... > >DC-Cycles Racing will also be at Summit that weekend, with Collin coming >down from Michigan I believe. Jeff and I will be racing for sure, dunno >about Jay ... I saw he was selling his CBR. Since it's not a Vintage >weekend, Fred and Joe won't be able to smoke up the place with those >old... er, I mean ... sadly won't be able to participate ;) Brian McCoy is >still recovering from surgery, but it would not suprise me to find him on >the track if it's at all possible for him to do so. > >- Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 23 09:51:22 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24806 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 117fg5-0003x3-00; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:47:57 -0400 Received: from jay (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA19172; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:51:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re: upcoming events? Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:49:57 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bed512$40534840$afc809c0@jay> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Stephen Harris wrote: > Don't know about the web page, but Team Charm will be racing in the WERA 4 > hour endurance at Summit Point on 7/31. Additionally I'll be heavey weight > twins race. Come out & pit crew, have a good time. Only an hour & half > from beltway. Sadly, I will not be able to get my bike prepped for the 4 hr. I had been planning on riding it all season and even bought the requisite bellypan bodywork specifically for it. However, we are moving out of our current house on the 28th and will be homeless (staying w/friends and family) until Aug. 20. I figure it'll take about 20 hrs. to prep the bike for the 4hr event. Trying to get all of our crap packed has kept me from having any spare time. So, I will be available to pit crew (or as a rider if any team is foolis...er depserat.. er smart enough to use me). If you really need pit crew let me know. If you know anyone in need of a rider (not necessarily a super fast one) let me know. Otherwise, I'll probably cornerwork. Jay St. Peter (Bummed out race addict who needs a fix) From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 23 10:05:06 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA25075 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:05:04 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA19507; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:05:35 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma018838; Fri, 23 Jul 99 10:05:14 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FFB008MTTWPM7@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567B7.004D3CE3 ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:03:38 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:02:58 -0400 Subject: R1 Paper Model To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567B7.004D38C0.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I got this link off of the Superhawk list. Check it out - it's a paper model of an R1. All you do is print out the pieces and assemble. http://www.yamaha-motor.co.jp/papercraft/yzf-r1/index-e.html Chris Weaver '98 VTR ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 23 10:40:01 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA25615 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:38:54 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:38:48 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:38:02 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: harris@XXXXXX, roach@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: upcoming events? -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline -snip- Since it's not a Vintage weekend, Fred and Joe won't be able to smoke up the place with those old... er, I mean ... sadly won't be able to participate ;) -snip- Ha! I'm on vacation that weekend anyhow--I'll be at BIR (Brainerd), drinking beer, slapping mosquitos, and hangin out with my old crew of hooligans from Hell Industries, watching the big boys duke it out. Too bad so many of 'em are hurt. Especially Duhamel. Joe From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 23 10:40:23 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA25621 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id KAA10381; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:40:21 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:40:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: Ursulina Viteri cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Who's racing at Summit Point July 31 & Aug 1 In-Reply-To: <03f801bed50c$e0f614e0$752caccf@ursulina> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Brian Roach: #699 FZR400 Jeff Ozman: #268 Ducati 748 - Bri From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 23 10:41:23 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA25624 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA11677 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA17208 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:41:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id KAA10386; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:41:03 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:41:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: Ursulina Viteri cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Who's racing at Summit Point July 31 & Aug 1 In-Reply-To: <03f801bed50c$e0f614e0$752caccf@ursulina> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 23 Jul 1999, Ursulina Viteri wrote: > Collin Fagan: 310 Actually... Collin is #305. - Bri From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 23 11:20:48 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA26396 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FFB00KI1VRE32@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:47:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta01.mcit.com (omzmta01.mcit.com [166.37.194.119]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA13199; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:48:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta01.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990723144737.HUNK19297@toddnt>; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:47:37 +0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:45:55 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: VMAX RE: R1 Paper Model In-reply-to: <852567B7.004D38C0.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000901bed51a$11846d70$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Cool site Chris. >From the same site a VMAX http://www.yamaha-motor.co.jp/papercraft/vmax/index-e.html > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > [mailto:christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 10:03 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: R1 Paper Model > > > I got this link off of the Superhawk list. Check it out - it's a paper > model of an R1. All you do is print out the pieces and assemble. > > http://www.yamaha-motor.co.jp/papercraft/yzf-r1/index-e.html > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If > you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 23 11:22:32 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f30.hotmail.com [209.185.131.93]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA26408 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27088 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jul 1999 15:21:59 -0000 Message-ID: <19990723152159.27087.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:21:58 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speeding ticket Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:21:58 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I got caught doing 77 in on the same HOV lanes 5 years ago. I was going north --just south of Edsel Rd HOV slip ramp. My lesson: If it is a reckless get a lawyer who specializes in Fairfax County traffic cases. Fairfax Co is known as a tough traffic jurisdiction and has some real strange practices. For one you will have a very tough time getting to the "Commonwealth Attorney" prosecuting your case. My ticket cost me almost $1,000 by the time I was done. I got "improper driving", court costs and a $500 lawyer bill. Compare this to what reckless can get you in fines and jail time and you will go for the lawyer. Go to the Library and look it up. When I got mine, the minimum fine was $500 bucks and jail time was 30 days minimum! This was my second reckless charge in Fairfax County. This guy got me off both times. Name was Robert O'Brian. His phone number is at home but he's in the book. Get the lawyer, pay him/her, be polite, don't worry too much. >At about 7:45 this morning I got a reckless/speeding ticket on the HOV >lanes >in Fairfax County. > >There was a guy on a green and white Kawasaki ZX-7 that saw what happened. >He was wearing matching leathers. Is that person on the list? Does anyone >know who he might be? I'd like to ask a couple of questions so I can >figure >out 1) what happened and 2) how fast did he see me go? > >The officer said he paced me, but I don't see how he could have gotten an >accurate speed based on what I saw. He gave me the ticket for 80 in a 55, >I'm quite certain that I wasn't going that fast. > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 23 11:25:48 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f149.hotmail.com [209.185.131.212]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA26431 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 93921 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jul 1999 15:25:14 -0000 Message-ID: <19990723152514.93920.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:25:14 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, mrider@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Speeding ticket Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:25:14 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Beware all: Reckless in Virginia is only 20 miles per hour over the speedlimit. Its only 15 miles over (80 miles an hour) in 65 mph zones. >The fact that he gave you 80/55 (threshold for reckless in VA) indicates he >may be biased. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 23 11:55:25 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA27023 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id IAA06790 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:55:21 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:55:21 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: R1 Paper Model Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:55:18 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It wants A4 paper - bummer Standard US Letter is a bit too short and you miss some of the parts when it prints. Am in process of looking for an A4 tray (and paper supply) for the color laser here (since we have a UK office, we get a lot of e-mail with MS Word attachments set for A4 paper - ya gets yer justification where ya can) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 23 12:04:42 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA27227 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id JAA09749 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:04:38 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:04:38 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Speeding ticket Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:04:35 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In VA, 20MPH over the posted limit or over 80MPH at any posting is prima facie evidence of reckless driving. IT ISN'T AUTOMATIC If the nice ossifer writes you up for speeding, that's what you're accused of - speeding, not reckless. The cop on the scene has that discretion. I was written up for reckless a few years ago for going down the shoulder on 495 for about 100 feet to get to the Dulles exit (the beltway was a parking lot) The nice ossifer (costigan was his name) muscled his cruiser through three lanes of traffic to bust me and wrote me up for reckless. I talked to a lawyer, explained the circumstances - he said no way it would stand up. I went into court without counsel, and the judge let the charge of reckless stand. Cost me $54 ($30 plus $24 in court costs) and the charge stays on my license for 11 years (that's the bad part). Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 23 12:07:36 1999 Return-Path: Lordorange@XXXXXX Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA27326 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:07:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Lordorange@XXXXXX Received: from Lordorange@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.25) id 2PKa024271 (3930) for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:06:29 EDT Subject: Re: R1 Paper Model...paper size To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 In a message dated 7/23/1999 12:02:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: << Standard US Letter is a bit too short and you miss some of the parts when it prints. >> I'm printing it out now with Adobe Acrobat set to "letter size" paper and everything seems to be going fine with 5 pages printed. I think Acrobat automatically scales everything with no loss of data/information...I let you know when I reach the final page. -matt From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 23 12:08:05 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA27329 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA12222 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA22859 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-54-3.s3.tnt16.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.54.3]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id MAA22497; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001101bed506$ddeefe20$a895fea9@oemcomputer> From: "Jonathan Broga/Century Pool Management" To: "Ursulina Viteri" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Who's racing at Summit Point July 31 & Aug 1 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:28:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I'll be there for the sprints Sat. afternoon and Sun. I am #502 and will be on a red SV650 with unpainted sharkskins. No partners found for the endurance:( Jonathan Broga Amatuer #502 Wera Amatuer #500 CCS -----Original Message----- From: Ursulina Viteri To: DC Cycles Date: Friday, July 23, 1999 10:28 AM Subject: Who's racing at Summit Point July 31 & Aug 1 >I plan to head on over to SP next weekend and would like to know who's >racing and what their bike number is. (Also be nice to know which days or >races they'll be participating in.) I'm sure to notice the numbers on the >bikes before remembering who's on which color or type of bike. This could >be my little "cheat sheet." :-) > >Collin Fagan: 310 > >Stephen Harris: 911 Saturday for endurance race / Sunday ? > >Jeff ? : ? > >Brian Roach: ? > >Jay St Peter: ? > >Brian McCoy: ? > >Anyone else from the group that will be racing? > >- - Ursulina >1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD > >-----Original Message----- >From: Brian Roach >To: Stephen Harris >Cc: dc-cycles >Date: Thursday, July 22, 1999 2:17 PM >Subject: Re: upcoming events? > > >>>On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Stephen Harris wrote: >> >>> Don't know about the web page, but Team Charm will be racing in the WERA >4 >>> hour endurance at Summit Point on 7/31. Additionally I'll be heavey >weight >>> twins race. Come out & pit crew, have a good time. Only an hour & half >>> from beltway. >> >>And with that, I'll throw in a plug as well... >> >>DC-Cycles Racing will also be at Summit that weekend, with Collin coming >>down from Michigan I believe. Jeff and I will be racing for sure, dunno >>about Jay ... I saw he was selling his CBR. Since it's not a Vintage >>weekend, Fred and Joe won't be able to smoke up the place with those >>old... er, I mean ... sadly won't be able to participate ;) Brian McCoy is >>still recovering from surgery, but it would not suprise me to find him on >>the track if it's at all possible for him to do so. >> >>- Brian > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 23 12:38:46 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f231.hotmail.com [209.185.130.169]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA27930 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 97924 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jul 1999 16:38:12 -0000 Message-ID: <19990723163812.97923.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:38:11 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cbr@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Man, sometimes you just half to laugh.... Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:38:11 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed What is a "chicken strip"? >From: Eternity23@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cbr@XXXXXX >Subject: Man, sometimes you just half to laugh.... >Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 01:35:38 EDT > >Tonight I went out with some friends to indulge in certain libations, (I >now >being of the legal age to do so), and in my wanderings came across a >seemingly organized posse of sportbikes parked out in front of a club. >There >was one Buell, a ZX?-R, a CBR900RR and 4, (count them 4!), R1's, all parked >side by side. So I make a slight detour to take a look, and I have to >surpress a chuckle; they all have chicken strips on them wider than the >Mississippi! Yes, I'm sure you can make the argument against judging riders >based on their bikes, (book by its cover, etc.)......but damn! Unless these >guys all got there tires changed at the same time, or just got back from a >long, group road trip, it was fairly pathetic. Even though the Brit-mags >like >to call my bike a "lorry" and the American mags says she has no >"character", >at least I know I can "ride" my bike. Hehehehheheheh...... > >-Sean Jordan >'93 CBR1000F _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 23 12:42:23 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil (emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil [141.116.33.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA28026 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:39:30 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206BFA9@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Speeding ticket Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:40:47 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) True the officer does have the discretion but VA State Police will always nail you with the highest offense they can (info from my lawyer). I questioned the VA trooper that nailed me with 83/55 a few years ago. I think I caught him off guard when he said "Because you were doing 83 I had to charge you with Reckless Driving". I responded with "No you don't, you could have just given me a speeding ticket, the choice was yours to give me reckless". He muttered and moaned and finally said "Uh, Uh my supervisor wants me to do it this way". Then he went on to tell me that 83 is fast on a motorcycle, he knew because he wrecked on one doing 50. Anyhow, even if you get a speeding ticket for 20+ you still have to show up at court since its a six point offense. One of my friends here at work was fortunate enough to get pulled over on I-295 around Richmond by a local cop when she was doing 83/65. The cop was either nice or stupid and only gave her a speeding ticket that she was able to pre-pay. They can charge you Reckless for many things including loss of traction, a.k.a. "lighting them up", tire sliding, etc. Glenn >In VA, 20MPH over the posted limit or over 80MPH at any posting is prima >facie evidence of reckless driving. >IT ISN'T AUTOMATIC >If the nice ossifer writes you up for speeding, that's what you're accused >of - speeding, not reckless. The cop on the scene has that discretion. >I was written up for reckless a few years ago for going down the shoulder on >495 for about 100 feet to get to the Dulles exit (the beltway was a parking >lot) From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 23 13:01:03 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA28269 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:55:16 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id MAA29354; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:55:42 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa28158; Fri, 23 Jul 99 12:54:10 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FFC00MMH1PZRX@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567B7.005CB193 ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:52:27 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:50:00 -0400 Subject: Re: R1 Paper Model...paper size To: Lordorange@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567B7.005CA54D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL When you print from Acrobat, make sure that you check "Fit to page" or somesuch on the print dialog box. It will do fine - just make sure you have this option checked on every sheet you print, or the pieces won't match. Chris 98 VTR To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: Lordorange@XXXXXX Date: 07/23/99 04:06:29 PM GMT Subject: Re: R1 Paper Model...paper size In a message dated 7/23/1999 12:02:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: << Standard US Letter is a bit too short and you miss some of the parts when it prints. >> I'm printing it out now with Adobe Acrobat set to "letter size" paper and everything seems to be going fine with 5 pages printed. I think Acrobat automatically scales everything with no loss of data/information...I let you know when I reach the final page. -matt ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 23 13:04:07 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil (emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil [141.116.33.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA28467 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:01:20 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206BFB5@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Doug Allis'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Man, sometimes you just half to laugh.... Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:02:37 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Judging from this and your last several posts it looks like you are catching up on a ton of e-mail that has already been answered. You'll find the answer to this question later on. Glenn >-----Original Message----- >From: Doug Allis [mailto:dhallis@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 12:38 PM >To: Eternity23@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; cbr@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Man, sometimes you just half to laugh.... >What is a "chicken strip"? >From: Eternity23@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cbr@XXXXXX >Subject: Man, sometimes you just half to laugh.... >Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 01:35:38 EDT > >Tonight I went out with some friends to indulge in certain libations, (I >now >being of the legal age to do so), and in my wanderings came across a >seemingly organized posse of sportbikes parked out in front of a club. >There >was one Buell, a ZX?-R, a CBR900RR and 4, (count them 4!), R1's, all parked >side by side. So I make a slight detour to take a look, and I have to >surpress a chuckle; they all have chicken strips on them wider than the >Mississippi! Yes, I'm sure you can make the argument against judging riders >based on their bikes, (book by its cover, etc.)......but damn! Unless these >guys all got there tires changed at the same time, or just got back from a >long, group road trip, it was fairly pathetic. Even though the Brit-mags >like >to call my bike a "lorry" and the American mags says she has no >"character", >at least I know I can "ride" my bike. Hehehehheheheh...... > >-Sean Jordan >'93 CBR1000F _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 23 13:07:53 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA28564 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8v4 (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA20465; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005701bed52d$31075000$b701a8c0@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt Senser" To: , , References: <19990723163812.97923.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [cbr] Re: Man, sometimes you just half to laugh.... Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:02:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 those sections of unused rubber along the edge of the tire. It's from slackers not leaning their bikes over in the turns. It's not the only way to judge a rider's ability, but it certainly is helpful. When I bought my 600F3 almost two months ago, the sissy stripes were almost 2 inches wide on both sides of the tire. Now, after I've had a chance to run them around some exit ramps and twisties, they are thinner than my pinky (and even have some cool racer-looking feathering of the rubber). So there you have it Kirt 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Allis To: ; ; Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 12:38 PM Subject: [cbr] Re: Man, sometimes you just half to laugh.... > What is a "chicken strip"? > > > >From: Eternity23@XXXXXX > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cbr@XXXXXX > >Subject: Man, sometimes you just half to laugh.... > >Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 01:35:38 EDT > > > >Tonight I went out with some friends to indulge in certain libations, (I > >now > >being of the legal age to do so), and in my wanderings came across a > >seemingly organized posse of sportbikes parked out in front of a club. > >There > >was one Buell, a ZX?-R, a CBR900RR and 4, (count them 4!), R1's, all parked > >side by side. So I make a slight detour to take a look, and I have to > >surpress a chuckle; they all have chicken strips on them wider than the > >Mississippi! Yes, I'm sure you can make the argument against judging riders > >based on their bikes, (book by its cover, etc.)......but damn! Unless these > >guys all got there tires changed at the same time, or just got back from a > >long, group road trip, it was fairly pathetic. Even though the Brit-mags > >like > >to call my bike a "lorry" and the American mags says she has no > >"character", > >at least I know I can "ride" my bike. Hehehehheheheh...... > > > >-Sean Jordan > >'93 CBR1000F > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 23 13:16:28 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA28741 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Anita.dlt.com ([199.4.241.102]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA21143 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:16:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199907231716.NAA21143@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:17:06 -0400 Subject: Re: R1 Paper Model...paper size Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Okay, at the next dc-cycles gathering, everyone has to bring their paper R-1's to compare! Anita From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 23 13:26:31 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA28856 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:26:30 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA05321; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:27:12 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma004095; Fri, 23 Jul 99 13:25:54 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FFC00AAQ3780C@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567B7.005F9AF8 ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:24:15 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:23:29 -0400 Subject: Paper R1s To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567B7.005F96B3.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I'm putting nitrous oxide, blueprinted motor and a lengthened swingarm on mine. It'll blow all of the other paper R1s away in the quarter mile! (Of course a slight breeze could do that too I suppose) I wonder if the DC-Sportbike crowd wants to take me on? Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 '99 fibrous R1 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 23 13:35:18 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil (dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil [141.116.33.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA29089 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:32:30 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206BFC7@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: R1 Paper Model...paper size Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:33:50 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) So when is the next DC Cycles party??? Glenn >Okay, at the next dc-cycles gathering, everyone has to bring their >paper R-1's to compare! From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 23 15:27:03 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01192 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:49:19 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Chicken stripes Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:27:34 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Huh... you've rubber that's unscrubbed on the rear tire? you must not be leaning enough... now, the front's a different story. I don't see many street-bikes that get down enough to scrub those to the edges.. > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirt Senser [mailto:ksenser@XXXXXX] > Now, after I've had a chance to run > them around > some exit ramps and twisties, they are thinner than my pinky From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 23 15:27:06 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01194 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:54:05 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: R1 Paper Model...paper size Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:08:11 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Memorial Day was the last one... Are we really going to wait till October (that is if Todd decides to allows people into his house again after what happened last year). Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM [mailto:Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 1:34 PM > To: 'DC Cycles' > Subject: RE: R1 Paper Model...paper size > > > So when is the next DC Cycles party??? > > Glenn > > > > >Okay, at the next dc-cycles gathering, everyone has to bring their > >paper R-1's to compare! > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 23 15:40:51 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f276.hotmail.com [209.185.130.192]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA01389 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9934 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jul 1999 19:15:59 -0000 Message-ID: <19990723191559.9933.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:15:59 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Cops Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:15:59 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed My wife's cousin was a NYC cop until Columbus Day weekend 1993. He was killed by a teenager who threw a bucket of hardened concrete off a roof. The kid was pissed off because his family's car got towed. My wife's cousin was protecting a tow truck clearing away the illegally parked cars. Why? Because a week earlier a fire truck couldn't make it to a fire because of all the illegally parked cars in the neighborhood and someone died. He also wrote parking tickets and rode a motorcycle for traffic. I too have gotten my fair share of speeding tickets and I know that too many cops should quit. But the vast majority of them are just doing their jobs. Its a job that alternates between extreme boredom and fright. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 23 15:59:13 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01742 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8v4 (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA25748; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00f101bed545$1f330690$b701a8c0@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt Senser" To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" References: Subject: Re: Chicken stripes Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:54:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 well, the rear is almost all the way to the edge...hardly any at all, the front is only as wide as my pinky. As far as I've had it leaned, these 3 year old Battlax tires start to slide (which is wear I get that cool feathering out towards the edge). Sliding the bike scared the shit outta me the first time I did it....it still does, but I don't over-react now. If I get any farther down (and this is with me leaning off the inside of the bike too) I'll low side it because these tires are shit. Once I get my D207 Rear, I'll mount my new tires (already have a D207GP front, gonna buy a D207 Street for the back), that'll be a different story. Hehe... Kirt 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va ----- Original Message ----- From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 To: 'dc' Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 1:27 PM Subject: Chicken stripes > Huh... you've rubber that's unscrubbed on the rear tire? you must not be > leaning enough... now, the front's a different story. I don't see many > street-bikes that get down enough to scrub those to the edges.. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kirt Senser [mailto:ksenser@XXXXXX] > > Now, after I've had a chance to run > > them around > > some exit ramps and twisties, they are thinner than my pinky > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 23 16:02:46 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA01829 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA10189; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:02:39 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990723160108.020b0710@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:02:34 -0400 To: "Doug Allis" From: Troutman Subject: Re: Cops Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19990723191559.9933.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:15 PM 7/23/99 , Doug Allis wrote: >My wife's cousin was a NYC cop until Columbus Day weekend 1993. He was >killed by a teenager who threw a bucket of hardened concrete off a roof. >The kid was pissed off because his family's car got towed. My wife's cousin >was protecting a tow truck clearing away the illegally parked cars. Why? >Because a week earlier a fire truck couldn't make it to a fire because of >all the illegally parked cars in the neighborhood and someone died. He also >wrote parking tickets and rode a motorcycle for traffic. I can only hope that the kid went to jail for a long time. Some people have trouble seeing the big picture. Now back to my flame-war on the vfr-list. Topic: Handicapped Parking and Motorcycles. I picked the devil's advocate position. My mailbox is full. Cheers. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 23 17:00:01 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA02744 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA17661; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000d01bed54e$752e8160$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Doug Allis" , References: <19990723191559.9933.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Cops Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:00:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Agreed... my father was a DC officer during the '70s but life was much simpler then. Tom '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Allis To: Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 3:15 PM Subject: Cops > My wife's cousin was a NYC cop until Columbus Day weekend 1993. He was > killed by a teenager who threw a bucket of hardened concrete off a roof. > The kid was pissed off because his family's car got towed. My wife's cousin > was protecting a tow truck clearing away the illegally parked cars. Why? > Because a week earlier a fire truck couldn't make it to a fire because of > all the illegally parked cars in the neighborhood and someone died. He also > wrote parking tickets and rode a motorcycle for traffic. > > I too have gotten my fair share of speeding tickets and I know that too many > cops should quit. But the vast majority of them are just doing their jobs. > Its a job that alternates between extreme boredom and fright. > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 23 23:52:43 1999 Return-Path: ltweed@XXXXXX Received: from m6.boston.juno.com (m6.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.197]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA09432 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 23:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ltweed@XXXXXX) by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EF9XAFK5; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 23:51:15 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 23:42:40 -0400 Subject: Re: Chicken stripes Message-ID: <19990723.234936.-948383.0.ltweed@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-4,6-7,9-15 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Louis E Tweed Really? My front always is used to the edge of the tread, as is my rear tire. If you are sizing the tires correctly you should wear both tires evenly center and edges. Louis - no chicken strips on my tires P.S. I am not trying to say anything about my riding being better than anyone else's, it probably isn't. On Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:27:34 -0700 "McCoy, Brian NAB02" writes: >Huh... you've rubber that's unscrubbed on the rear tire? you must not >be >leaning enough... now, the front's a different story. I don't see >many >street-bikes that get down enough to scrub those to the edges.. > > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 24 00:15:47 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA09988 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 00:15:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.25) id nADVa14262 (8026); Sat, 24 Jul 1999 00:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <362ad946.24ca979e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 00:14:22 EDT Subject: Re: Speeding ticket - "Old Man Reckless" To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 I don't remember hearing about this one....as far as I can recall. Hm. -Sean "No Reckless Tickets" Jordan '93 CBR(soon enough, probably)1000F From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 24 03:15:27 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA13788 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 03:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 95 (207-172-109-134.s7.as3.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.134]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA17592 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 03:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <009201bed5a4$8708b440$866daccf@95> From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: Pocono Races August 27-29 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 03:16:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Who's up for going to the races at Pocono? I am probably going and I might even talk my wife into joining me. Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 24 08:06:08 1999 Return-Path: granth@XXXXXX Received: from fedsco.sco.com (fedsco.sco.COM [132.147.168.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA20478 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 08:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from everex (everex.sco.COM [132.147.168.14]) by fedsco.sco.com (8.8.7/UW7.1.0) with ESMTP id HAA10855; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 07:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990724080109.00a381d0@fedsco.sco.com> X-Sender: granth@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 08:03:46 -0400 To: Louis E Tweed From: Grant Heffernan Subject: Re: Chicken stripes Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19990723.234936.-948383.0.ltweed@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed That's not true. Some tires are shaped in such a way that they'll never get worn all the way to the edges. When I raced I used Dunlop K591's and Metzeler (can't remember the #). The Dunlop's would always wear all the way to the edges, front and back, whereas the Metzeler's would leave a noticeable "ring around the tire" on the rear. Same sizes, but different shapes. I was even curious about it at the time, so I asked a few veterans there, and they said it's normal with some tires. At 11:42 PM 7/23/99 -0400, you wrote: >Really? My front always is used to the edge of the tread, as is my rear >tire. If you are sizing the tires correctly you should wear both tires >evenly center and edges. >Louis - no chicken strips on my tires > >P.S. I am not trying to say anything about my riding being better than >anyone else's, it probably isn't. > >On Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:27:34 -0700 "McCoy, Brian NAB02" > writes: > >Huh... you've rubber that's unscrubbed on the rear tire? you must not > >be > >leaning enough... now, the front's a different story. I don't see > >many > >street-bikes that get down enough to scrub those to the edges.. > > > > >___________________________________________________________________ >Get the Internet just the way you want it. >Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! >Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ********************************* Grant M. Heffernan Field Systems Engineer The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Reston, VA 20191 ph: (703) 715-8721 http://ussales/granth From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 24 09:00:59 1999 Return-Path: jmoran@XXXXXX Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21401 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 09:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling-182.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with ESMTP id <0FFD002MILGZ88@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 09:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 09:10:48 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Subject: Re: Chicken stripes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-to: jmoran@XXXXXX Message-id: <3799BB25.CDD5E14F@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <4.2.0.58.19990724080109.00a381d0@fedsco.sco.com> Your tires should be worn all the way to the sides, and should also show some slight feathering of the manufacturer's logo on the sidewall. It's good if the valve stem is also a little scuffed. Oh--wait...that's what your tires look like when you highside in turn one, breaking your thumb and effectively ending your racing season. Sorry. Nevermind. Randy Moran Grant Heffernan wrote: > That's not true. Some tires are shaped in such a way that they'll never > get worn all the way to the edges. When I raced I used Dunlop K591's and > Metzeler (can't remember the #). The Dunlop's would always wear all the > way to the edges, front and back, whereas the Metzeler's would leave a > noticeable "ring around the tire" on the rear. Same sizes, but different > shapes. I was even curious about it at the time, so I asked a few > veterans there, and they said it's normal with some tires. > > At 11:42 PM 7/23/99 -0400, you wrote: > >Really? My front always is used to the edge of the tread, as is my rear > >tire. If you are sizing the tires correctly you should wear both tires > >evenly center and edges. > >Louis - no chicken strips on my tires > > > >P.S. I am not trying to say anything about my riding being better than > >anyone else's, it probably isn't. > > > >On Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:27:34 -0700 "McCoy, Brian NAB02" > > writes: > > >Huh... you've rubber that's unscrubbed on the rear tire? you must not > > >be > > >leaning enough... now, the front's a different story. I don't see > > >many > > >street-bikes that get down enough to scrub those to the edges.. > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________ > >Get the Internet just the way you want it. > >Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! > >Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. > > ********************************* > Grant M. Heffernan > Field Systems Engineer > The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. > Reston, VA 20191 > ph: (703) 715-8721 > http://ussales/granth From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 24 09:09:33 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21641 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 09:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-53-231.s231.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.53.231]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA01939 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 09:09:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: FW: Chicken stripes Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 09:09:29 -0400 Message-ID: <002001bed5d5$c340b260$5c2faccf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal If that is the case, then why are my chicken stripes different widths? The front is much wider than the rear. The tires are MEZ1/2 (front/rear) and they are the correct size for the bike. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (59K miles and counting...) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Louis E Tweed said: Really? My front always is used to the edge of the tread, as is my rear tire. If you are sizing the tires correctly you should wear both tires evenly center and edges. Louis - no chicken strips on my tires From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 24 17:03:48 1999 Return-Path: granth@XXXXXX Received: from fedsco.sco.com (fedsco.sco.COM [132.147.168.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA29753 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 17:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from everex (everex.sco.COM [132.147.168.14]) by fedsco.sco.com (8.8.7/UW7.1.0) with ESMTP id QAA20604 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 16:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990724170428.00a31f00@fedsco.sco.com> X-Sender: granth@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 17:05:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Grant Heffernan Subject: web Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I was a little bored this weekend to say the least, so I put together another stab at a DC Cycles web page. Obviously it lacks in content, but that can be fixed. Opinions welcome but not necessarily listened to :-) ********************************* Grant M. Heffernan Field Systems Engineer The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Reston, VA 20191 ph: (703) 715-8721 http://ussales/granth From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 24 17:09:35 1999 Return-Path: granth@XXXXXX Received: from fedsco.sco.com (fedsco.sco.COM [132.147.168.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA29832 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 17:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from everex (everex.sco.COM [132.147.168.14]) by fedsco.sco.com (8.8.7/UW7.1.0) with ESMTP id RAA20628 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 17:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990724171100.00a7a240@fedsco.sco.com> X-Sender: granth@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 17:11:42 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Grant Heffernan Subject: web... ooops Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed You probably want the URL, duh. http://www.ocston.org/~granth ********************************* Grant M. Heffernan Field Systems Engineer The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Reston, VA 20191 ph: (703) 715-8721 http://ussales/granth From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 25 02:49:35 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA09467 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 02:49:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.25) id 2QUUa19859 (8004) for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 02:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 02:48:54 EDT Subject: Paging John Koczyn (sp?) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Hey there...John wanted to pass something along to you....don't have your e-mail addie handy though....sorry for tying up the bandwidth, everyone else. -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 25 03:24:30 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA10092 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 03:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (209-122-239-75.s329.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.239.75]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA01432 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 03:25:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kirt Senser" To: Subject: Jay St. Peter... Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 03:22:20 -0000 Message-ID: <01bed64c$e7c5a1a0$4bef7ad1@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0097_01BED64C.E7C5A1A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0097_01BED64C.E7C5A1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Do you still have that stuff? If you do, please send me back an e-mail = to my personal address at ---> ksenser@XXXXXX ------=_NextPart_000_0097_01BED64C.E7C5A1A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Do you still have that stuff?  = If you do,=20 please send me back an e-mail to my personal address at ---> =20 ksenser@XXXXXX
------=_NextPart_000_0097_01BED64C.E7C5A1A0-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 25 13:10:05 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA19628 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 13:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA22995 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 13:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA09785 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 13:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gforeman (surf233.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.233]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id NAA10898 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 13:09:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Hs anyone finished their R1 model yet? Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 13:08:03 -0400 Message-ID: <000701bed6c0$41f20ec0$1406030a@wch.adelphia.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Just curious. Gary W. Foreman EMAIL: fj1100@XXXXXX WEB: http://www.fj1100.com '99-TL1000R | '88-KX250 | '85-FJ1100 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 25 13:40:57 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20087 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 13:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 13:40:14 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Tank Rust Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 13:40:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain I rarely put the Suzuki (GS450E) on reserve cuz it's mostly for around town and I usually top it off at 100-120 mi. Thursday I did go on reserve. At the gas station, I glanced at the clear fuel filter (non stock) and saw it had caught a bunch of rust and water. Blech! Diagnosis: On "run" fuel is pulled from 1-2 inches above the tank bottom. On "res" fuel is pulled from the tank bottom. Prevention: Keep the tank full during rainy weather to minimize humid air entering the tank and condensing out the moisture. (geeze, this musta happened last Spring) In the future, I'll be putting the mighty Suzuki on "RES" now and then to scavenge any water that may have collected in the bottom. Sermon: If your bike doesn't have a filter (most have a sieve inside the tank), get one. A clear Fram G-2 at "Wally World" is ~$2.00. For my Sabre (VF700S), it was an easy installation, simply add it beneath the fuel cutoff using the supplied short tube lengths and clamps. The Suzuki was as tad more difficult -- I had to remove the tank, run the fuel feed tube to the right side, plug in the filter, and run a length of hose from the bottom of the filter across to the fuel valve. Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capitol since 1981 through rain, sun, and snow, but no ice! '85 VF700S "Rocin-ahorito" '80 GS450E "Caballoante"; FOM #3, AMA 676120; FOO/FOP; OGM #008; FMOENMC 0002 "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" George Howell (too good not to plagiarize) From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 25 19:32:21 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA25441 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 19:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA24215 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 19:32:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA14037 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 19:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brn626 (207-172-77-112.s49.as2.lee.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.77.112]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA05849; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 19:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000c01bed6f6$cf28a980$704daccf@brn626> From: "Brian N" To: "Gary Foreman" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: Hs anyone finished their R1 model yet? Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 19:38:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I printed the model yesterday at work using a heavyweight paper and finished the fairing this morning. It will probably take me awhile to finish the whole thing, Brian N 95 Yamaha FZR600 -----Original Message----- From: Gary Foreman To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Date: Sunday, July 25, 1999 1:17 PM Subject: Hs anyone finished their R1 model yet? >Just curious. > >Gary W. Foreman >EMAIL: fj1100@XXXXXX >WEB: http://www.fj1100.com >'99-TL1000R | '88-KX250 | '85-FJ1100 > From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 25 20:56:22 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA26613 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA24402 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA14948 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ursulina (207-172-120-193.s193.tnt14.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.120.193]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA06814; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <048e01bed71a$e34f5020$752caccf@ursulina> From: "Ursulina Viteri" To: "DC Cycles" , "John & Sonda" Subject: Neato Internet site for virtual motorcycle postcards Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:56:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Be sure to note there are 3 pages of postcards to chose from. http://www.motorcity.net/Postcards/index.shtm - -Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 07:07:02 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA20162 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 07:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA26856 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 07:06:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fedsco.sco.com (fedsco.sco.COM [132.147.168.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA23924 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 07:06:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from everex (everex.sco.COM [132.147.168.14]) by fedsco.sco.com (8.8.7/UW7.1.0) with ESMTP id GAA09457 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 06:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990726070834.00a7b960@fedsco.sco.com> X-Sender: granth@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 07:08:53 -0400 To: DC-Cycles Mailing List From: Grant Heffernan Subject: Re: Hs anyone finished their R1 model yet? In-Reply-To: <000c01bed6f6$cf28a980$704daccf@brn626> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed What was that web site again??? At 07:38 PM 7/25/99 -0400, Brian N wrote: >I printed the model yesterday at work using a heavyweight paper and finished >the fairing this morning. It will probably take me awhile to finish the >whole thing, > >Brian N >95 Yamaha FZR600 >-----Original Message----- >From: Gary Foreman >To: DC-Cycles Mailing List >Date: Sunday, July 25, 1999 1:17 PM >Subject: Hs anyone finished their R1 model yet? > > > >Just curious. > > > >Gary W. Foreman > >EMAIL: fj1100@XXXXXX > >WEB: http://www.fj1100.com > >'99-TL1000R | '88-KX250 | '85-FJ1100 > > ********************************* Grant M. Heffernan Field Systems Engineer The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Reston, VA 20191 ph: (703) 715-8721 http://www.ocston.org/~granth From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 07:14:24 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA20260 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 07:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 04:14:14 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Chicken stripes Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 04:06:33 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Ok, yet another limiting factor... the tire profile. I'm running the 'stock' size tires for my rims (120/60/17 front, 160/60/17 rear on F2 rims) and I ride fairly agressivly. This weekend I managed to all but erase the unused rubber on the front left - still haven't touched the right, and my rear is worn over the edge. It's also very obvious that the tires have diferent profile shapes (a matched set of Avon Azaros, both with maybe 1000 miles on them). Anyway - there are a lot of variables - I just rarely see sportbikes that get their fronts to the limits. Brian > -----Original Message----- > > Really? My front always is used to the edge of the tread, as > is my rear > tire. If you are sizing the tires correctly you should wear > both tires > evenly center and edges. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 07:26:37 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA20421 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 07:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA26890 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 07:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1205.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.141]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA24008 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 07:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990726112529.24267.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.247] by web1205.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 07:25:29 EDT Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 07:25:29 -0400 (EDT) From: ImTheMan ITM Subject: Re: Neato Internet site for virtual motorcycle postcards - working link To: Ursulina Viteri , DC Cycles , John & Sonda MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://motorcity.net/Postcards/ --- Ursulina Viteri wrote: > Be sure to note there are 3 pages of postcards to > chose from. > > http://www.motorcity.net/Postcards/index.shtm > > > - -Ursulina > 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 08:20:29 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA21310 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 08:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A287A240280; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 08:20:23 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990726073821.00c04d90@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 07:40:16 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Cops In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990723160108.020b0710@mail.wheatintl.com> References: <19990723191559.9933.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:02 PM 7/23/99 , Troutman wrote: >Now back to my flame-war on the vfr-list. Topic: Handicapped Parking and >Motorcycles. > >I picked the devil's advocate position. My mailbox is full. What's the connection? If you're handicapped and have a valid handicapped license plate or mirror hanger, you can park in the handicapped spaces. Otherwise stay out of them (including the cross-hatched areas for loading/unloading). Shall we start it here? :-) Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 08:20:43 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA21320 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 08:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A293A240280; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 08:20:35 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990726074333.00c1b760@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 07:46:17 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Tank Rust In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:40 PM 7/25/99 , Custer, Carl wrote: >Prevention: >Keep the tank full during rainy weather to minimize humid air entering the >tank and condensing out the moisture. (geeze, this musta happened last >Spring) If water gets in during rain, I'd suspect the fuel cap gasket is leaking. >In the future, I'll be putting the mighty Suzuki on "RES" now and then to >scavenge any water that may have collected in the bottom. I started doing this after a friend told me he puts the fuel petcock on Reserve after filling up, and leaves it there to clean out any water that may have come with that tank of gas. I've never had any problems, but I like the idea of not letting water gather. On the BMW there is no fuel petcock, but I think there's some ullage (fuel that can't get to the fuel pickup) so I deal with that only by putting gas dryer in occasionally. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 09:28:28 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22947 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Anita.dlt.com ([199.4.241.102]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA22023 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:28:34 -0400 Message-Id: <199907261328.JAA22023@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:28:59 -0400 Subject: Camping out... Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Well, I had a great time this weekend camping out in the wilds of WV with Brian McCoy, Larry Meyer and Chris Weaver. Thanks to Brian for suggesting the trip! Would have been a little nicer without the rain on Saturday, but at least the campground had a newly constructed picnic pavilion for us to hang out in during the thunderstorms! It was worth braving the rain for the ride back yesterday.. great roads, beautiful weather. And, just so no one else has to say it... "YES, I DID GET LOST EVEN WITH A GPS!"... :-) Anita '96 Kawasaki GPZ1100 (not just a great sport-tourer, but pretty good off-road too! Gravel, mud, grass.. no problem!) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 10:22:55 1999 Return-Path: mark.petty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23786 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:16:41 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Va Inspection Question Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:16:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain A while ago I asked the list if VA motorcycle inspection cared about idiot lights (in particular, my high beam indicator). Apparently not. "left turn signal" "right turn signal" "horn" "high beam" "hand brake" "foot brake" flashlight at the front pads and tread. flashlight at the rear pads and tread. "registration?" Of course, I left my high beam on leaving the station, and five minutes later the idiot light came on. huh. -Mark btw, this was at Old Bridge Mobil. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 10:40:14 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24070 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8sl (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA10690; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <019401bed773$f9fb4f00$a901a8c0@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt Senser" To: "Mark Petty" , References: Subject: Re: Va Inspection Question Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:34:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 The fellow at the Ammaco on the corner of Braddock road and Backlick road in Annandale, Va is a really nice guy. He also only asked about the things below. He had a dyno too...I might go up there and see if it will work for motorcycles... hehe Kirt 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Petty To: Sent: Monday, July 26, 1999 10:16 AM Subject: Va Inspection Question > A while ago I asked the list if VA motorcycle inspection cared about > idiot lights (in particular, my high beam indicator). > > Apparently not. > > "left turn signal" > "right turn signal" > "horn" > "high beam" > "hand brake" > "foot brake" > flashlight at the front pads and tread. > flashlight at the rear pads and tread. > "registration?" > > Of course, I left my high beam on leaving the station, and five minutes > later the idiot light came on. huh. > > -Mark > > btw, this was at Old Bridge Mobil. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 10:41:47 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24080 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:41:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A387A510280; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:41:11 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990726103701.00ba9b10@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:39:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Va Inspection Question In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:16 AM 7/26/99 , Mark Petty wrote: >A while ago I asked the list if VA motorcycle inspection cared about >idiot lights (in particular, my high beam indicator). > >Apparently not. I use a station whose only requirement is often only that you have a valid registration and $5. Recently, however, he checked the lights, pressed the starter to check the horn, then pressed the horn button to check the horn. Personally, I don't like anyone messing with my bike, so a quick visual inspection is fine with me! Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 10:47:18 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24266 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A4D6A6E0280; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:46:46 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990726104450.00bb3100@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:47:23 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Transporting Snacks Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed July 26, 1999 Memo to Group RE: Transporting Snacks When transporting snacks during your motorcycle commute into DC, DO NOT place bananas in the tail trunk with no padding around them Sincerely, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 11:12:50 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24784 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Anita.dlt.com ([199.4.241.102]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA01678 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:12:58 -0400 Message-Id: <199907261512.LAA01678@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:13:21 -0400 Subject: (Fwd) 2nd Announcment: '99 Magical Mystery Tour Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) This sounds like it could be a fun type of event to plan for the DC area... I found some more info on the author's website.. http://www.net1plus.com/users/holbrook/mmtexpl.htm I particularly like the idea of each participant getting a sealed envelope with a map and detailed directions.. then everyone has to show their envelopes (sealed or not!) when they arrive at the destination! Anyhow.. maybe something fun to do when the weather cools off! Anita ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Send reply to: east@XXXXXX From: Mark Holbrook To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: 2nd Announcment: '99 Magical Mystery Tour (Sorry for dupes - I've sent this to several lists. Maybe this year I'll get some "Take this junk off our list!" messages and no after-the-fact "Hey! How come *I* didn't know about this ride?!" or "When's the MMT?" ones. :-) ) It's August 14th and 15th, 1999. The MMT is an all backroads, 250-mile ride from the Boston area to a mystery destination in northern New England. You independently follow a route sheet that tells you how to get there (mileages, landmarks, etc.), but doesn't ever tell you where you are. At the destination, you party and camp out overnight, then make your own way back on Sunday. This ride is open to anyone on the list with a motorcycle, camping gear, proximity to Boston, and a sense of adventure. To learn more and/or sign up, subscribe to the MMT mailing list by sending email with "subscribe mmt" in the message body to majordomo@XXXXXX and following the instructions you receive. (Some history and information about past MMTs may also be found on my web page.) -- Mark (Holbrook@XXXXXX) "Back roads. Period." http://www.net1plus.com/users/holbrook/mark.htm From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 11:20:02 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA24881 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 18:18:44 UT Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:18 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: Va Inspection Question Message-ID: <1999072611202085-14741a9c@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If you're referring to unit in the floor of the inspection bay, that "dyno" is not really a dynamometer. It is a speed/load generator for the new IM240 emissions program for Virginia (in use with California and other California-type emissions standard states). A car is put on the rollers and then chained down to prevent it from moving. Then the inspector fires up the test and "drives" your car to simulate a working load environment. The test is pretty neat (I'm against emission testing actually.. the EPA is total bullshit... run by the oil and chemical companies, etc, etc.). I know this because I have a friend in the business and also recently had our Nissan tested. The test does not post anything about horsepower (or lack there of). :-) Later, Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: Va Inspection Question Author: ksenser@XXXXXX (Kirt Senser) Date: 07/26/1999 10:34 AM The fellow at the Ammaco on the corner of Braddock road and Backlick road in Annandale, Va is a really nice guy. He also only asked about the things below. He had a dyno too...I might go up there and see if it will work for motorcycles... hehe Kirt 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Petty To: Sent: Monday, July 26, 1999 10:16 AM Subject: Va Inspection Question > A while ago I asked the list if VA motorcycle inspection cared about > idiot lights (in particular, my high beam indicator). > > Apparently not. > > "left turn signal" > "right turn signal" > "horn" > "high beam" > "hand brake" > "foot brake" > flashlight at the front pads and tread. > flashlight at the rear pads and tread. > "registration?" > > Of course, I left my high beam on leaving the station, and five minutes > later the idiot light came on. huh. > > -Mark > > btw, this was at Old Bridge Mobil. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 11:33:58 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25178 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA06625 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 08:32:49 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: weekend trips.. Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 08:32:43 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Well, As Anita pointed out.. She, Chris, Larry and myself took off Saturday morning for a campground just west of Deep Creek Lake. We rode 50 pretty much all the way out there - dealing with light rain most the way (it did clear up for a good long section of good curves though). Set up camp, and his a truck stop for dinner (hey, it was recommended.. though it did remind me a lot of home) - oh, and you can't complain at $8 prime rib, baked potato, salad either... Some cheap beer, and a few hours later - the quote of the trip came out. "Never throw things at people who are urinating" Sunday morning was a trip to Coopers rock (or something like that) - it was interesting.. lots of green trees. Back to the truck stop for breakfast.. then to break camp and head out. 26 south from I68 in WV is a wonderful warm-up road.. leading to 50 East - which brought out my saying of 'this is why I own a motorcycle'. Perfect road, really twisty, and no cars in our direction. Made for a VERY smooth and fun run. We eventually hit 42 south from 50 (sucked) to 219 (so-so) into Elkins, WV. From there we picked up 33 to Senaca Rocks for lunch. Then 55 all the way back into the city. It was a fun 2 days - though would have been better as a 3 day trip (or at least getting a whole day to play in that area up there). 'nother weekend trip msg to come... Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 11:39:03 1999 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from mailgw2a.lmco.com (mailgw2a.lmco.com [192.91.147.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25267 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss03g01.ems.lmco.com (emss03g01.ems.lmco.com [141.240.4.144]) by mailgw2a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA17352; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38888) id <0FFH00901I2R4Z@XXXXXX>; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss09m01.ems.lmco.com ([158.183.24.5]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38888) with ESMTP id <0FFH007Y9I2LTE@XXXXXX>; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:37:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emss09m01.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2580.0) id ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:40:40 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:36:52 -0400 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: Transporting Snacks To: "'Chris Norloff'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A0165612E@EMSS09M05> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2580.0) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Do you now have a banana smoothie in your trunk now? Should have thrown some ice in there and they invite the office mates out to your trunk for a drink :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, July 26, 1999 10:47 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Transporting Snacks > > July 26, 1999 > > Memo to Group > > RE: Transporting Snacks > > When transporting snacks during your motorcycle commute into DC, > DO NOT place bananas in the tail trunk with no padding around them > > Sincerely, > Chris Norloff > > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 11:43:11 1999 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from mailgw2a.lmco.com (mailgw2a.lmco.com [192.91.147.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25345 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss03g01.ems.lmco.com (emss03g01.ems.lmco.com [141.240.4.144]) by mailgw2a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA14603; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38888) id <0FFH00801I9FTW@XXXXXX>; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss09m01.ems.lmco.com ([158.183.24.5]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38888) with ESMTP id <0FFH00O8FI94M7@XXXXXX>; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emss09m01.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2580.0) id ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:44:35 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:40:49 -0400 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: (Fwd) 2nd Announcment: '99 Magical Mystery Tour To: "'Anita Lauro'" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A01656130@EMSS09M05> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2580.0) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I'm for this - I can help set it up with you, Anita as lead coordinator :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Anita Lauro [SMTP:2xracers@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, July 26, 1999 11:13 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: (Fwd) 2nd Announcment: '99 Magical Mystery Tour > > This sounds like it could be a fun type of event to plan for the DC > area... I found some more info on the author's website.. > > http://www.net1plus.com/users/holbrook/mmtexpl.htm > > I particularly like the idea of each participant getting a sealed > envelope with a map and detailed directions.. then everyone has to > show their envelopes (sealed or not!) when they arrive at the > destination! > > Anyhow.. maybe something fun to do when the weather cools off! > Anita > > > ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > Date sent: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:52:39 -0400 (EDT) > Send reply to: east@XXXXXX > From: Mark Holbrook > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: 2nd Announcment: '99 Magical Mystery Tour > > (Sorry for dupes - I've sent this to several lists. Maybe this year > I'll get some "Take this junk off our list!" messages and no > after-the-fact "Hey! How come *I* didn't know about this ride?!" or > "When's the MMT?" ones. :-) ) > > It's August 14th and 15th, 1999. The MMT is an all backroads, 250-mile > ride from the Boston area to a mystery destination in northern New > England. You independently follow a route sheet that tells you how to > get there (mileages, landmarks, etc.), but doesn't ever tell you where > you are. At the destination, you party and camp out overnight, then > make your own way back on Sunday. This ride is open to anyone on the > list with a motorcycle, camping gear, proximity to Boston, and a sense > of adventure. To learn more and/or sign up, subscribe to the MMT > mailing list by sending email with "subscribe mmt" in the message body > to majordomo@XXXXXX and following the instructions you receive. > (Some history and information about past MMTs may also be found on my > web page.) > > -- > Mark (Holbrook@XXXXXX) "Back roads. Period." > http://www.net1plus.com/users/holbrook/mark.htm From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 11:44:27 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25366 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8sl (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA11377; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01bf01bed77c$f1a5bd00$a901a8c0@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt Senser" To: "Tom Zell" , References: <1999072611202085-14741a9c@fanniemaefoundation.org> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Va Inspection Question Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:38:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 are you sure? I could've sworn I saw the word "dynamometer" on it somewhere. Either way, thanks for the info... Kirt 1996 CBR 600F3 SHR Annandale, Va ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Zell To: Sent: Monday, July 26, 1999 11:18 AM Subject: Re[2]: Va Inspection Question > If you're referring to unit in the floor of the inspection bay, that "dyno" is > not really a dynamometer. It is a speed/load generator for the new IM240 > emissions program for Virginia (in use with California and other California-type > emissions standard states). A car is put on the rollers and then chained down > to prevent it from moving. Then the inspector fires up the test and "drives" > your car to simulate a working load environment. The test is pretty neat (I'm > against emission testing actually.. the EPA is total bullshit... run by the oil > and chemical companies, etc, etc.). I know this because I have a friend in the > business and also recently had our Nissan tested. > > The test does not post anything about horsepower (or lack there of). :-) > > Later, > Tom > '86 VFR750 > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > Subject: Re: Va Inspection Question > Author: ksenser@XXXXXX (Kirt Senser) > Date: 07/26/1999 10:34 AM > > The fellow at the Ammaco on the corner of Braddock road and Backlick road in > Annandale, Va is a really nice guy. He also only asked about the things > below. He had a dyno too...I might go up there and see if it will work for > motorcycles... hehe > > Kirt > 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR > Annandale, Va > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark Petty > To: > Sent: Monday, July 26, 1999 10:16 AM > Subject: Va Inspection Question > > > > A while ago I asked the list if VA motorcycle inspection cared about > > idiot lights (in particular, my high beam indicator). > > > > Apparently not. > > > > "left turn signal" > > "right turn signal" > > "horn" > > "high beam" > > "hand brake" > > "foot brake" > > flashlight at the front pads and tread. > > flashlight at the rear pads and tread. > > "registration?" > > > > Of course, I left my high beam on leaving the station, and five minutes > > later the idiot light came on. huh. > > > > -Mark > > > > btw, this was at Old Bridge Mobil. > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 11:56:18 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25531 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 08:53:52 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Weekend Trips - Part 2 - WERA National.. Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 08:47:41 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Ok, come on.. you know I have to do it. This coming weekend is the WERA National Endurance weekend. It's a 4 hour endurance race on Saturday from 12-noon till 4pm. Sprints to follow where listers such as Collin Fagin, Jeff Ozman, Steve Harris, Jonathan Broga, Brian Roach, Jay St. Peter and myself will be out ripping it up. The track's open as of Thursday evening - Friday's mostly just tune and testing - but at $20 for the whole 3 days, it's a better value if you show up on Friday as-well. This will be my first race weekend this year without a cast on my hand (wooohoo!!!), and also my first race efforts because of that. Jay St. Peter has offered up his 94 F2 for sacrifice to the Endurance gods - and I'm prepping it this week. Thing is, we're going to need PIT HELP for the endurance race. Each team needs a scorer.. someone to sit in an A/C booth and take our position each time we come around. I'm thinking that we're going to need a total of 5~6 people to help. 2 to handle the key/gas can, 1 to hold the bike while riders change, and the rest to take turns in the booth keeping score. Should something go wrong (we crash, heaven forbid) - mechanical ability would be desirable - that ability isn't going to be stretched much beyond changing brake levers, clip-ons, foot-pegs or brackets.. small things. Anyway, let me know if you're interested... and I'll fill you in on what's going on and keep you up to date. Thanks, Brian - DC-Cycles Racing From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 12:04:59 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA25705 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 12:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8sl (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA20753; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 12:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01d201bed77f$d32d4390$a901a8c0@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt Senser" To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" References: Subject: Re: Weekend Trips - Part 2 - WERA National.. Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:59:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Yes, I'm interested, all though I have to make sure I don'thave any plans this weekend that I'm forgetting about... Kirt 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va ----- Original Message ----- From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 To: 'dc' Sent: Monday, July 26, 1999 11:47 AM Subject: Weekend Trips - Part 2 - WERA National.. > Ok, come on.. you know I have to do it. This coming weekend is the WERA > National Endurance weekend. It's a 4 hour endurance race on Saturday from > 12-noon till 4pm. Sprints to follow where listers such as Collin Fagin, > Jeff Ozman, Steve Harris, Jonathan Broga, Brian Roach, Jay St. Peter and > myself will be out ripping it up. The track's open as of Thursday evening - > Friday's mostly just tune and testing - but at $20 for the whole 3 days, > it's a better value if you show up on Friday as-well. > > This will be my first race weekend this year without a cast on my hand > (wooohoo!!!), and also my first race efforts because of that. Jay St. Peter > has offered up his 94 F2 for sacrifice to the Endurance gods - and I'm > prepping it this week. Thing is, we're going to need PIT HELP for the > endurance race. Each team needs a scorer.. someone to sit in an A/C booth > and take our position each time we come around. I'm thinking that we're > going to need a total of 5~6 people to help. 2 to handle the key/gas can, 1 > to hold the bike while riders change, and the rest to take turns in the > booth keeping score. Should something go wrong (we crash, heaven forbid) - > mechanical ability would be desirable - that ability isn't going to be > stretched much beyond changing brake levers, clip-ons, foot-pegs or > brackets.. small things. > > Anyway, let me know if you're interested... and I'll fill you in on what's > going on and keep you up to date. > > Thanks, > > Brian - DC-Cycles Racing From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 12:33:09 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA26241 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 12:33:07 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id MAA00507; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 12:33:27 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma027967; Mon, 26 Jul 99 11:57:17 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FFH00BMRJ32LL@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567BA.005778AE ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:55:25 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:52:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Transporting Snacks To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567BA.005746E9.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Banana pudding? Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 Chris Norloff wrote: When transporting snacks during your motorcycle commute into DC, DO NOT place bananas in the tail trunk with no padding around them ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 12:49:59 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1205.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.141]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA26497 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 12:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990726164850.9269.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.80] by web1205.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 12:48:50 EDT Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 12:48:50 -0400 (EDT) From: ImTheMan ITM Subject: Re: (Fwd) 2nd Announcment: '99 Magical Mystery Tour To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sounds like fun. --- Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> wrote: > This sounds like it could be a fun type of event to > plan for the DC > area... I found some more info on the author's > website.. > > http://www.net1plus.com/users/holbrook/mmtexpl.htm > > I particularly like the idea of each participant > getting a sealed > envelope with a map and detailed directions.. then > everyone has to > show their envelopes (sealed or not!) when they > arrive at the > destination! > > Anyhow.. maybe something fun to do when the weather > cools off! > Anita > > > ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > Date sent: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:52:39 -0400 > (EDT) > Send reply to: east@XXXXXX > From: Mark Holbrook > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: 2nd Announcment: '99 Magical > Mystery Tour > > (Sorry for dupes - I've sent this to several lists. > Maybe this year > I'll get some "Take this junk off our list!" > messages and no > after-the-fact "Hey! How come *I* didn't know about > this ride?!" or > "When's the MMT?" ones. :-) ) > > It's August 14th and 15th, 1999. The MMT is an all > backroads, 250-mile > ride from the Boston area to a mystery destination > in northern New > England. You independently follow a route sheet > that tells you how to > get there (mileages, landmarks, etc.), but doesn't > ever tell you where > you are. At the destination, you party and camp out > overnight, then > make your own way back on Sunday. This ride is open > to anyone on the > list with a motorcycle, camping gear, proximity to > Boston, and a sense > of adventure. To learn more and/or sign up, > subscribe to the MMT > mailing list by sending email with "subscribe mmt" > in the message body > to majordomo@XXXXXX and following the > instructions you receive. > (Some history and information about past MMTs may > also be found on my > web page.) > > -- > Mark (Holbrook@XXXXXX) > "Back roads. Period." > http://www.net1plus.com/users/holbrook/mark.htm > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 13:03:13 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26849 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FFH008F7LW48D@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 17:00:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA30067; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 17:01:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990726170004.XGLO6442@[166.41.251.160]>; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 17:00:04 +0000 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 12:58:29 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: (Fwd) 2nd Announcment: '99 Magical Mystery Tour In-reply-to: <199907261512.LAA01678@radagast.wizard.net> To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000f01bed788$161a2990$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal It reads like a truncated version of a motorsport rally. As an example, the 1999 Capitol 1000 http://www.cap1000.org/ required that each rider visit 4 base cities (including the start/finish) to finish. A rally book was handed out that included point bonuses, and the riders then made up their own minds about acquiring higher bonus points with a limited 24 hour time period. Our license and registration was placed in a sealed envelope and we would lose points if the seal was broken (you know why) :) I'd be willing to help out with planning and routing, pre-riding and organizing if you do intend to set something up. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Anita Lauro [mailto:2xracers@XXXXXX] > > This sounds like it could be a fun type of event to plan for the DC > area... I found some more info on the author's website.. > > http://www.net1plus.com/users/holbrook/mmtexpl.htm > > I particularly like the idea of each participant getting a sealed > envelope with a map and detailed directions.. then everyone has to > show their envelopes (sealed or not!) when they arrive at the > destination! > > Anyhow.. maybe something fun to do when the weather cools off! > Anita > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 13:16:49 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27181 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud8sl (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA22338; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:16:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <020401bed789$e042acf0$a901a8c0@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt Senser" To: , Subject: What was the name of that lawyer? Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:11:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0201_01BED768.590C46E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0201_01BED768.590C46E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A friend of mine here at my work just got clocked doing 88 in a 55 (in a = car). What was that "really good" traffic lawyer you guys were talking = about a couple days ago? Thanks in advance... BTW, he's 16 and driving = a camaro. =20 Kirt 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va ------=_NextPart_000_0201_01BED768.590C46E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A friend of mine here at my work just = got clocked=20 doing 88 in a 55 (in a car).  What was that "really good" traffic = lawyer=20 you guys were talking about a couple days ago?  Thanks in = advance... =20 BTW, he's 16 and driving a camaro. 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0201_01BED768.590C46E0-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 13:18:39 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27191 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Anita.dlt.com ([199.4.241.102]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA16907; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:18:30 -0400 Message-Id: <199907261718.NAA16907@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Todd Peer Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:18:53 -0400 Subject: RE: (Fwd) 2nd Announcment: '99 Magical Mystery Tour CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal References: <199907261512.LAA01678@radagast.wizard.net> In-reply-to: <000f01bed788$161a2990$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) I like the rally idea as well... sort of a scavenger hunt on 2-wheels. I guess the main difference is in the Capitol 1000 type event the rider designs his own route. Didn't someone also mention some type of event that had sort of "trivia questions" that could only be answered by visiting certain locations? That could be fun as well... decisions, decisions! I'll come up with something fun.. and will definitely need volunteers! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 13:23:52 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27300 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:22:01 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: (Fwd) 2nd Announcment: '99 Magical Mystery Tour Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:21:52 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Ugh.. just don't follow Todd into Southern MD... or your kidneys may pay for it... (memories of a pre-ride from last year sometime) Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [mailto:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > > I'd be willing to help out with planning and routing, pre-riding and > organizing if you do intend to set something up. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 13:24:13 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web504.yahoomail.com (web504.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA27310 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990726172440.24294.rocketmail@web504.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.173] by web504.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:24:40 EDT Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:24:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: FW: Chicken stripes To: LindaT , DC-CYCLES MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm with you, Linda. I'd love to see somebody get my D207 front (16" RR wheel) to the 'edge.' Fresh calimari....yummy Rear is there already...but front has plenty left. Theory disproven by Honda engineering. --- LindaT wrote: > If that is the case, then why are my chicken stripes > different widths? The > front is much wider than the rear. The tires are > MEZ1/2 (front/rear) and > they are the correct size for the bike. > LindaT. > 95 F3 Purple Haze (59K miles and counting...) > > Louis E Tweed said: > Really? My front always is used to the edge of the > tread, as is my rear > tire. If you are sizing the tires correctly you > should wear both tires > evenly center and edges. > Louis - no chicken strips on my tires _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 13:26:41 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from web308.yahoomail.com (web308.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA27324 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990726172657.6748.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web308.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:26:57 EDT Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:26:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: RE: (Fwd) 2nd Announcment: '99 Magical Mystery Tour To: Todd Peer , Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Another example would be the Feast In the East rally http://free.prohosting.com/~fiteboss/ In the morning they get the bonus list, almost all of which are within 170 miles. Then they are let loose for about 10-12 hours. After that they return to a nice big Bar-B-Q. No base route required. Hmmmm, sounds like a nice pre-DC-cycles evening gathering activity. And there are a lot of places around here we could send them to. I don't know which would be more fun, planning or participating! :-) Louis --- Todd Peer wrote: > It reads like a truncated version of a motorsport rally. As an example, the > 1999 Capitol 1000 http://www.cap1000.org/ required that each rider visit 4 > base cities (including the start/finish) to finish. A rally book was handed > out that included point bonuses, and the riders then made up their own minds > about acquiring higher bonus points with a limited 24 hour time period. Our > license and registration was placed in a sealed envelope and we would lose > points if the seal was broken (you know why) :) > > I'd be willing to help out with planning and routing, pre-riding and > organizing if you do intend to set something up. > > Todd > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Anita Lauro [mailto:2xracers@XXXXXX] > > > > This sounds like it could be a fun type of event to plan for the DC > > area... I found some more info on the author's website.. > > > > http://www.net1plus.com/users/holbrook/mmtexpl.htm > > > > I particularly like the idea of each participant getting a sealed > > envelope with a map and detailed directions.. then everyone has to > > show their envelopes (sealed or not!) when they arrive at the > > destination! > > > > Anyhow.. maybe something fun to do when the weather cools off! > > Anita > > > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 13:32:13 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA27526 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:32:10 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA19167; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:32:03 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma024690; Mon, 26 Jul 99 13:00:58 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FFH0033KM1RS1@XXXXXX>; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567BA.005D545B ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 12:59:24 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 12:59:14 -0400 Subject: New Lister-Introduction To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567BA.005D5592.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Hello all. My name is Mark Kitchell and I signed up over the weekend. I thought an introduction was in order. I have been riding for about four years. I currently ride a 1997 VFR750 (no decals, Fox shock, Givi bags, Metzler Z4s, Givi and Maier screens, Throttlemeister, TBR slip-on, RKA tank bag if anyone cares). My first ride was a 1985 Kawasaki ZL600 Eliminator which still occupies a place in my garage. I was lucky enough to have last summer off (interim period between graduation from business school at the U. of Virginia and the start of my job at PricewaterhouseCoopers). In mid-June I took off from DC down the Blue Ridge Parkway to the Honda Hoot in Asheville, then north through Tennessee, Kentucky, Indiana into Chicago for the 4th. Across the plains states to Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Nevada into California. The VFR performed flawlessly, although repeated batterings by cagers (while parked) left the plastic much worse for wear. Since then I have been working and traveling too much for any serious distance riding. My riding this year has concentrated on improving my 'sport' riding skills (I am a good and safe rider, but will be the first to admit I have never explored the limits of my VFR), dialing in my new Fox Shock and teaching my girlfriend to ride. Making good on a promise not to make her take it alone, we took the MSF class together in early June. I actually learned a great deal in the class once I got over the instructors decision to tell the newbies that denim was a good choice for leg protection (I ride in jeans all the time but I am not under any illusions about their protective power). She is just taking her first rides in the area on my old Kawi. My riding goals for the next year include: 1. Take the Experienced Rider MSF class 2. Ride in the Capitol 1000 3. Vacation in Laguna Seca for the World Superbike races (if they are held there) and take the California Superbike school 4. Participate in some local group rides 5. Get involved in the Summit Point WERA/CCS racing scene (long-term goal is to race) I am VERY interested in the WERA races this weekend and will stay tuned to see what the list plans are. I attended my first races three weeks ago....COOL! Personally I am 30 years old, a double Hoo (undergrad and grad from UVa) and work in strategic consulting for PwC. My girlfriend and I live in Arlington (near Ft. Meyer), I have lived in this area most of my life. Sorry if this is too long, but I am hoping this list is a bit more personal than others I am on (VFR and HSTA). I am not a too frequent poster since my mechanical skills are small (I am learning though), but I will be glad to relate any experiences I have with particular products, roads or this area. I always wear a helmet (a few exceptions in Chicago that I regret). I rode a Harley once (and only once) and really can't understand their appeal. However, as long as you ride I think its great, and I wave at all bikes. The wave sometimes turns into a one-finger salute if not returned by a hog (-: Hopefully I can meet some of you this weekend at Summit. Cheers, Mark PS: The following annoying tag is not my idea, but the company puts it there every time. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 13:32:57 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil (emh1.hqda.pentagon.mil [141.116.33.24]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27536 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:29:58 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206C024@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Kirt Senser'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: What was the name of that lawyer? Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:32:11 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) What state? In VA I posted one and someone else did to. Tom Gimer posted one for MD. Seeing how it was 85 in a 55 I assume he got charged Reckless Driving (if VA)? My friend who has defended me and others on the list is: Carleton Penn (703) 591-4901 Oh, tell your buddy to go get his speedometer calibrated. That will be the first thing Carleton will ask him to do. The place to go is out by Fairfax Circle, I'm sure somebody else on the list knows the name of the place. Tell your buddy to tell Carleton that I sent him. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Kirt Senser [mailto:ksenser@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 26, 1999 1:11 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; cbr@XXXXXX Subject: What was the name of that lawyer? A friend of mine here at my work just got clocked doing 88 in a 55 (in a car). What was that "really good" traffic lawyer you guys were talking about a couple days ago? Thanks in advance... BTW, he's 16 and driving a camaro. Kirt 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 13:55:03 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1101.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA27936 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990726175419.5721.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1101.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:54:19 EDT Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:54:19 -0400 (EDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What was the name of that lawyer? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Kirt Senser wrote: > A friend of mine here at my work just got clocked > doing 88 in a 55 (in a car). What was that "really > good" traffic lawyer you guys were talking about a > couple days ago? Thanks in advance... BTW, he's 16 > and driving a camaro. Sounds like a lesson learned the hard way... though not the hardest way. Maybe someone should buy him a metro pass, sounds like he will probably need it. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 13:58:58 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA28030 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA29138; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:58:12 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990726135312.01999870@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:58:04 -0400 To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: New Lister-Introduction Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <852567BA.005D5592.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey Mark. I am also the owner of a '97 VFR750. There are a few of us Viffers on the list. You may also be interested in the VFR list: http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ I would love to check out your bike with the TBR. I haven't decided between the TBR and D&D pipes yet. I have only had my bike a couple of months - but I have put a little over 2k miles on it. You will find the rides to be brisk and scenic, and the people friendly. There isn't much tolerance on the list for squidly behavior. Although there are a few squids on the list ;-o Welcome aboard. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 14:10:42 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28273 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 14:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:10:34 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: New Lister-Introduction Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:10:26 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Well.. welcome to the list... Gotta say, you've terrible choices... VFRs suck (I ride an 87 700 mongrel). Why would ANYONE want to do more than cruising up and down the blvd (just got back from an overnight camping trip to WV). Helmets are a waste of time, they'll break your neck (calling my Helmet dealer on the new Arai Quantum-F right now). Riding in groups sucks - it's harder to get those really high wheelies and stoppies like I do when I'm alone (uhh.. I lead the other 3 to WV and back?). And racing WERA/CCS is a bunch of BS.. everyone knows that the REAL fast guys hang out at Haines Point (did I mention I have an RS125 and am racing the 4-hour this weekend?). Oh, and I never wave to anyone (afriad I might crash if I take my hands off the bars!) heh... ok, there's my stab at humor... :P Come out to the track and look for the DC-Cycles Racing crew. We have a 15' banner, kinda hard to miss.. along with the tent populated by a yellow 748, grey F2, gold/brown GSXR750, white RS125 (with For Sale sign), blue FZR400... and various other bikes parked around the pits.. Cheers... Brian McCoy (sarcasim? NEVER!) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 14:13:54 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28362 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 14:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:13:46 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: FW: Chicken stripes Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:13:41 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) LOL.. I love that statement... and it seems to be true. Though, I DID rub my front down to the edge on the left on Sunday... I think that came from entering a 25 at slightly over 60 though.. (and on the brakes - yikes..) Funny, the Avon Azaros didn't even balk at thatn - nice tires.. :) Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > Rear is there already...but front has plenty left. > Theory disproven by Honda engineering. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 14:15:33 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28442 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 14:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FFH00EPDP0WXR@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:07:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA22740; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:08:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990726180742.YFVJ6442@[166.41.251.160]>; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:07:42 +0000 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 14:06:08 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: New Lister-Introduction In-reply-to: <852567BA.005D5592.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001401bed791$89138460$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Hi Mark, This is an excellent first post. I feel an affinity right away for your riding style. I plan to go up to Summit Point this Saturday, but probably won't stay the whole day. I cornerwork there, since A), it's cheaper (free entry for volunteers) B), basically no matter where you are placed you get up close and C), they feed you free! Finally, the cornerworkers are generally well liked by the racers and pit crews. For volunteers, the MARRC is possibly one of the most professional marshalling groups on the east coast (IMHO). Anyway, welcome. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX > Hello all. My name is Mark Kitchell and..... > > ....... > Cheers, > > Mark > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 14:40:22 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f26.hotmail.com [209.185.131.89]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA28880 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 14:40:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 36626 invoked by uid 0); 26 Jul 1999 18:39:44 -0000 Message-ID: <19990726183944.36625.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.229.31.23 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:39:44 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.229.31.23] Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX From: "Leon Begeman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: FW: Chicken stripes Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:39:44 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed There is one other method that works quite well at eliminating those annoying chicken stripes. Just let Collin borrow your bike for a day or so. I used to have really squared off tires on my ZX6, now they're square with angled sides. Leon. >From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" >To: "'dc'" >Subject: RE: FW: Chicken stripes >Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:13:41 -0700 > >LOL.. I love that statement... and it seems to be true. Though, I DID rub >my front down to the edge on the left on Sunday... I think that came from >entering a 25 at slightly over 60 though.. (and on the brakes - yikes..) >Funny, the Avon Azaros didn't even balk at thatn - nice tires.. :) > >Brian > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > > > Rear is there already...but front has plenty left. > > Theory disproven by Honda engineering. > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 15:09:47 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA29528 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA01373 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA10132 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flf960r1.ems.att.com ([135.71.244.37]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id PAA25613 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh3.ems.att.com by flf960r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id PAA26080; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh3.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:09:31 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE0154662C@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Carver, John M, BGM" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Digests? Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:09:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Would someone let me know if the DC cycles digest system has been operating properly? I haven't received any in quite some time. Thanks. John 98VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 15:16:56 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1106.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.126]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA29695 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:16:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990726191605.1321.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1106.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:16:05 EDT Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:16:05 -0400 (EDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: RE: New Lister-Introduction To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX > > Hello all. My name is Mark Kitchell and..... Hey Mark, where around Ft. Myer do you live? We may be neighbors. --John === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 15:33:52 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1201.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.137]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA29928 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:33:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990726193028.205.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.148] by web1201.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:30:28 EDT Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:30:28 -0400 (EDT) From: ImTheMan ITM Subject: Re: What was the name of that lawyer? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm thinking the lawyer will charge him more than the fines.. Maybe he was on the beltway all alone on a straight away.. personally, if he was driving safely, I really don't care that he was doing 88 in a 55, the rode probably was designed to handle it anyway. Let he who hasn't gone 20 mph over the the speed limit cast the first stone. --- John Whiteside wrote: > --- Kirt Senser wrote: > > A friend of mine here at my work just got clocked > > doing 88 in a 55 (in a car). What was that > "really > > good" traffic lawyer you guys were talking about a > > couple days ago? Thanks in advance... BTW, he's > 16 > > and driving a camaro. > > Sounds like a lesson learned the hard way... though > not the hardest way. Maybe someone should buy him a > metro pass, sounds like he will probably need it. > > > === > John Whiteside > Arlington, VA > jwhiteside@XXXXXX > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 15:46:21 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA00405 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:46:20 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id PAA12330; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:46:23 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma021001; Mon, 26 Jul 99 15:18:57 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FFH004N2SF0KA@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:21:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567BA.0069ED8C ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:16:57 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:15:42 -0400 Subject: RE: New Lister-Introduction To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567BA.0069E265.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Yet another PwC'er/biker on the list... Welcome. Both Chris Meier and myself also work for ThebiggestnameinConsulting. Which office are you in? If in Fair Lakes, you'll often spot my Superhawk in the corner of the lot next to the handicapped spots. Again, welcome to the list. Chris Weaver PwC Fair Lakes '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 15:57:59 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00606 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA29531 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:57:21 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990726155046.01993760@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:57:18 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: What was the name of that lawyer? In-Reply-To: <19990726193028.205.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:30 PM 7/26/99 , ImTheMan ITM wrote: >Let he who hasn't gone 20 mph over the the speed >limit cast the first stone. >> > A friend of mine here at my work just got clocked >> > doing 88 in a 55 (in a car). My math says that is 33 mph over, not 20. At 16 in a Camaro, if it were me I would get a lawyer. The judge is going to make an example of him - give him reckless and maybe take his license away until he is 18. It happens all the time. 16 years old is a lot different than 26 in a court of law. My time in traffic court, sitting and waiting to be heard, taught me the most common thing that judges say. "Driving is a privlidge, not a right. You are about to lose that privlidge." Tell you what - it would suck to lose a license for a year. My roommate had a DWI last year (long before I met him) and just got his license back 2 weeks ago. That was painful to watch. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 16:05:02 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA00722 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 26 Jul 1999 23:03:45 UT Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:03 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "mark.kitchell@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:New Lister-Introduction Message-ID: <1999072616052135-15790b32@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Welcome to the list Mark! Great first time post! Jeannette and I ride VFRs also but they are 1st gen models both of which are pretty far away from how they rolled off of the assembly line. Anyway... we live in Arlington at the corner of George Mason and S. Columbus. As long as you like two very friendly Pit Bulls... well mostly friendly... depends on if you yell SUPER BOWL!!! at the top of your lungs in Zeus' direction... right Todd?? :-) ... you're more than welcome to hang out! Again... welcome aboard! -Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 16:41:29 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web502.yahoomail.com (web502.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA01356 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990726204126.27112.rocketmail@web502.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.173] by web502.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:41:26 EDT Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:41:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: What was the name of that lawyer? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Troutman wrote: > My math says that is 33 mph over, not 20. At 16 in > a Camaro, if it were me > I would get a lawyer. The judge is going to make an > example of him - give > him reckless and maybe take his license away until > he is 18. It happens all the time. You are correct, sir. And even with a lawyer he may lose that thang. But $500 would be a small price to pay to improve his chances of keeping his driving privileges....and it would probably pay Glenn's friend's car payment to boot. > Tell you what - it would suck to lose a license for > a year. My roommate > had a DWI last year (long before I met him) and just > got his license back 2 > weeks ago. That was painful to watch. Painful to watch? How painful would experiencing 18 months be? Then, just to make things more excruciating, plan to retake your car and motorcycle road tests like a pubescent freak. Ahh....me like pain. ;) -- tg _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 16:43:37 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA01441 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id NAA00627 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:43:25 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:43:25 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: (Fwd) 2nd Announcment: '99 Magical Mystery Tour Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:18:21 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" So... Explain to me how this is different from our normal rides??? ;-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 16:59:36 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA01738 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Anita.dlt.com ([199.4.241.102]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA13073; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:58:38 -0400 Message-Id: <199907262058.QAA13073@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "Jordan, Michael" Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:58:59 -0400 Subject: RE: (Fwd) 2nd Announcment: '99 Magical Mystery Tour CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) On 26 Jul 99, at 9:18, Jordan, Michael wrote: > So... > > Explain to me how this is different from our normal rides??? ;-) Big difference! With this ride, people have to find their way THEMSELVES.. not just following the leader blindly! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 17:41:20 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA02484 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 17:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 95 (207-172-109-33.s33.as1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.33]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id RAA01788 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 17:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <013601bed7af$c42bb540$216daccf@95> From: "D. Thompson" To: References: <852567BA.0069E265.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Subject: Re: New Lister-Introduction Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 17:42:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Did he say NEXT to the handicapped parking? Anyway, Welcome to the list Mark I also ride a VFR as you can see in my sig. I bought it in March and now have 7200 miles on it. I have done some minor mods. I will be at the races on Saturday to root the DC-Cycles crew on as usual, but Sunday...... Vintage Motorcycle days at the Flying Circus Air Show! Yee Hiiiiiyyy? Anyway I am taking the wife and daughter to the flying circus. Anyone that rides in gets in for half price or something like that. The Flying Circus is off Rt. 17 between Warrenton and Fredricksburg. It should be a fun family type day(but the races might be more fun). Anyone who want to come is welcome and I will be glad to give more info or directions. I am organizing a trip to the Pocono races at the end of August if you are interested. (Formula USA racing, and Gary Rothwell stunt show). Look forward to meeting you in person at Summit. Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 ----- Original Message ----- From: snip.... you'll often spot my Superhawk in the corner of the lot > next to the handicapped spots. > > Again, welcome to the list. > > Chris Weaver > PwC Fair Lakes > '98 VTR 1000 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 18:23:27 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA03262 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 27 Jul 1999 01:21:53 UT Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:21 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: What was the name of that lawyer? Message-ID: <1999072616232158-15898609@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I agree... have him get the lawyer... I had a reckless at 16. It wasn't pretty... my parents had to come out and get yelled at by the judge (this was Arlington Co.) and then I REALLY got it when I got home. The infraction stayed on my license for 10 years and raised my insurance. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: What was the name of that lawyer? Author: mike@XXXXXX Date: 07/26/1999 3:57 PM At 03:30 PM 7/26/99 , ImTheMan ITM wrote: >Let he who hasn't gone 20 mph over the the speed >limit cast the first stone. >> > A friend of mine here at my work just got clocked >> > doing 88 in a 55 (in a car). My math says that is 33 mph over, not 20. At 16 in a Camaro, if it were me I would get a lawyer. The judge is going to make an example of him - give him reckless and maybe take his license away until he is 18. It happens all the time. 16 years old is a lot different than 26 in a court of law. My time in traffic court, sitting and waiting to be heard, taught me the most common thing that judges say. "Driving is a privlidge, not a right. You are about to lose that privlidge." Tell you what - it would suck to lose a license for a year. My roommate had a DWI last year (long before I met him) and just got his license back 2 weeks ago. That was painful to watch. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 19:12:52 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA04159 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 19:12:49 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.25) id 4KYDa09374 (14395); Mon, 26 Jul 1999 19:11:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 19:11:42 EDT Subject: Re: Transporting Snacks To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 In a message dated 7/26/1999 10:53:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: << When transporting snacks during your motorcycle commute into DC, DO NOT place bananas in the tail trunk with no padding around them Sincerely, Chris Norloff >> Ooooooo........sounds like a STICKY situation to me. hehe Scooter From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 19:25:27 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA04343 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 19:25:25 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.25) id vCBHa09374 (14395); Mon, 26 Jul 1999 19:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 19:23:40 EDT Subject: Re: New Lister-Introduction To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 In a message dated 7/26/1999 1:38:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mark.kitchell@XXXXXX writes: << Sorry if this is too long, but I am hoping this list is a bit more personal than others I am on (VFR and HSTA). >> Welcome to the list. We're all a little crazy here but, that just makes it all the more fun. 8-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 19:43:17 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1204.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.140]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA04689 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 19:43:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990726234239.18068.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.148] by web1204.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 19:42:39 EDT Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 19:42:39 -0400 (EDT) From: ImTheMan ITM Subject: RE: (Fwd) 2nd Announcment: '99 Magical Mystery Tour To: "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Care to share the story for those of us who are new? --- "McCoy, Brian NAB02" wrote: > Ugh.. just don't follow Todd into Southern MD... or > your kidneys may pay for > it... (memories of a pre-ride from last year > sometime) > > Brian > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Todd Peer [mailto:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > > > > I'd be willing to help out with planning and > routing, pre-riding and > > organizing if you do intend to set something up. > > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 20:05:25 1999 Return-Path: lmeyer@XXXXXX Received: from mail3.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe3.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.50]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA05079 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 20:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mgfairfax.rr.com ([24.28.195.247]) by mail3.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18); Mon, 26 Jul 1999 20:01:11 -0400 Message-ID: <379CF84D.131AC05@mgfairfax.rr.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 20:07:41 -0400 From: Larry Meyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Camping out... References: <199907261328.JAA22023@radagast.wizard.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anita, You're too hard on yourself. You're only lost if you don't know where you are, don't know how to get where you're going, AND don't know how to get back to someplace you do know. You only made 2 out of 3. It was a great trip, though, and the bee stings have almost stopped itching. Larry '97 Bandit 1200 (a great sport-tourer and able to carry large bundles of oversized cage-camping gear) Anita Lauro wrote: > {snip} > > And, just so no one else has to say it... "YES, I DID GET LOST > EVEN WITH A GPS!"... :-) > > Anita > '96 Kawasaki GPZ1100 (not just a great sport-tourer, but pretty > good off-road too! Gravel, mud, grass.. no problem!) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 20:24:38 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA05325 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 20:24:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA03629 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 20:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe3.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.50]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA20193 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 20:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mgfairfax.rr.com ([24.28.195.247]) by mail3.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18); Mon, 26 Jul 1999 20:20:22 -0400 Message-ID: <379CFCCA.9A532889@mgfairfax.rr.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 20:26:50 -0400 From: Larry Meyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Neato Internet site for virtual motorcycle postcards References: <048e01bed71a$e34f5020$752caccf@ursulina> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Check out the twisty road on this page - a dashed yellow line? I don't even think Brian would pass on this one! http://www.motorcity.net/Postcards/page2.shtml Larry '97 Bandit 1200 Ursulina Viteri wrote: > Be sure to note there are 3 pages of postcards to chose from. > > http://www.motorcity.net/Postcards/index.shtm > > - -Ursulina > 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 20:40:46 1999 Return-Path: rdt@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA05610 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 20:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt (209-122-214-65.s319.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.214.65]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA19920 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 20:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008801bed7c8$10521b40$41d67ad1@rdt> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: Subject: Country Roads Recap (long post) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 20:36:26 -0400 Organization: Attorney at Law X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Kevin (CBR 900) and I trailered our bikes up to Snowshoe, WV last Wednesday to attend the 1st Annual Country Roads MC rally. We stuck out like sore thumbs. There may have been a total of six or seven true sport bikes out of several hundred bikes. Needless to say, I had the only GSX-R model. Can you spell Harley Davidson? The parade on Friday afternoon into Marlington looked like an Easy Rider film. There was more black clothing than what you saw at JFK Jrs.' funeral. Of course, there were plenty of biker chicks, but most of them looked pretty rough. Some of them even rode their own Hogs!! The event was unfortunately the scene of one fatality. Kevin and I happened to ride up to the scene (Route 66)on Friday morning. Evidently a logging truck with a trailer crossed the centerline on a blind corner. The decedent, who was driving an older Gold Wing, had no where to go. We were told that his death was instantaneous. The toughest part was hearing that his buddy, who was riding up front with a Chatterbox, realized that something was wrong when the radio transmissions ceased. He evidently turned back around and came upon the accident scene. I understand it was not a pretty sight. Hopefully I will never experience that situation. The best thing about the event was the roads. Routes 15, 20, 28, 33, 66, 150 (Scenic Highway) and 250 were great. You did have to watch for gravel, especially on Route 15. I would agree that Route 219 was only OK. Staying at a condo on the top of Snowshoe had an extra benefit. The ride up and down to the top of the mountain was an adventure in itself. I also was reminded that ski condos do not have air conditioning. In fact, many businesses in the area did not have air condtioning. Fortunately, being at 4000+ feet elevation meant that we escaped most of the oppressive heat. When riding down onto the valleys you could tell the difference in temperature. The weather was very unpredictable in the mountains. It could be sunny and warm one minute and cool with rain the next. Fortunately, we avoided all of the major rainfalls while riding our bikes. Other highlights included seeing various wildlife, including hundreds of deer, baby bob cats and a wild turkey. I would not advise riding at night in the mountains at this time of year. While driving my Explorer at night I had several deer either cross the roadway in front of me or freeze on the side of the road. The locals were very friendly. The Friday Night Parade into Marlington (escorted by three state police cars) was met with waves by young and old along the entire 20 mile route. People had set up chairs on the side of the road to view the parade!! When we got into Marlington the police had blocked off the entire main street. Other local police officers lined the main street and side streets and made sure that no one crossed in front of you. Numerous spectators lined the main street and seemed to enjoy the show. The town went all out and had food vendors, reserved parking for the bikes and a local talent show complete with tap dancing and singing. Regarding the local police, I heard of no stories about anyone being ticketed for speeding. I had a sense that the community appreciated the fact that their economy was being enriched by this event. Perhaps the police understood that if there was a relaxed attitude even more riders would attend next year. Also, I did not see or hear of an unruly behavior by any of the bikers. The vendor area was geared toward the Harley crowd. You could buy stickers saying "Jap Bikes Suck " and "I Am Wearing This Helmet Under Protest". If you needed chrome or fringed leather you were in heaven!! The local eating establishments ranged from very good (and expensive) to OK and cheap. However, there are very few places to go out for a great meal. Forget fast food; McDonalds, etc. are no where to be seen. Make sure you order trout if you are in the area. It is raised at a local fishery (Elk River). Would I return next year? Only if I wanted to go on a ride where I felt the police were going to cut me some slack. Otherwise, I would probably go back when the Harley crowd was absent. Roy D. Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 21:33:28 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm03sm.pmm.cw.net (pm03sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.98.152]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA06534 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 21:33:27 -0400 (EDT) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr51-dialup43.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.62.197.171]) by PM03SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35317) with SMTP id <0FFI00M5O9MS8W@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 01:32:54 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 21:31:44 +0000 Subject: Re: Weekend Trips - Part 2 - WERA National.. To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Message-id: <012d01bed7ae$42f6bb60$71443ea6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Hey Brian, Let me know if you still need help in the pits. I'll be there. If not, I'll corner work the race instead. Jon ICQ# 11193913 Hello 88' HawkGT racer - blue Goodbye 92' FZR600 - yellow http://come.to/fzrmofo From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 21:36:45 1999 Return-Path: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA06613 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 21:36:43 -0400 (EDT) From: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from OsbornKev@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.25) id xDAPa05145 (4537); Mon, 26 Jul 1999 21:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <16117ee.24ce668d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 21:34:05 EDT Subject: Re: web... ooops To: granth@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 24 Thanks for putting in the work. It would be great to professionalize the site a bit. Another thing I've been meaning to mention to the group for some time. Is there any way we can get off a list serve and onto a bulliten/message board style of communication. Numerous times I have almost unsubscribed due to too many messages and I don't want to read the whole digest each day either. If you don't check your e-mail for a day or two you're bound to have hundreds of messages. Many about things which many people find irrelevant. I could mention a few of the recent ones but everyone has a right to post and I don't want to piss anyone off. A couple of times in my haste to delete all the DC Cycles messages to get to the important e-mails, I have accidentally deleted something from a non DC cycles e-mail that was important. Now not being one to complain without providing a solution, here are a couple. Anita has put together a message board on Yahoo Clubs ( DC Area Riders - Yahoo! Clubs it even has a chat room). Also, there is free bulletin board software out there by Ultimate Bulletin Board (see this link Digital Sportbike Magazine for a sample and a link to the UBB site). Can you imagine the benefits of a set up like this. Mail boxes never filled no matter how many days between retrieving your e-mail. Only read messages that you want. Don't have to go through 35 replies to an original message you could have cared less about. Etc. What are others' thoughts and opinions on the subject? - Kevin From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 22:06:52 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f188.hotmail.com [209.185.130.98]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA07125 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 22:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 21856 invoked by uid 0); 27 Jul 1999 02:06:15 -0000 Message-ID: <19990727020615.21855.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 166.62.207.48 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 19:06:15 PDT X-Originating-IP: [166.62.207.48] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Transporting Snacks Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 19:06:15 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed HMMMMMMMMM. I have a Pacific Coast with the cool dual trunk and I always bring a lunch to work in a little 6-pack cooler. It can get hot above the muffler while sitting in traffic. Was it the heat or the brusing from the city streets that did the bananas in? >From: Chris Norloff >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Transporting Snacks >Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:47:23 -0400 > >July 26, 1999 > >Memo to Group > >RE: Transporting Snacks > >When transporting snacks during your motorcycle commute into DC, >DO NOT place bananas in the tail trunk with no padding around them > >Sincerely, >Chris Norloff > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 22:10:48 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA07138 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 22:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (209-122-239-23.s277.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.239.23]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA30263; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 22:10:14 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990726220447.00a79490@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 22:10:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: web... ooops Cc: OsbornKev@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <16117ee.24ce668d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:34 PM 7/26/99 , OsbornKev@XXXXXX wrote: >Another thing I've been meaning to mention to the group for some time. Is >there any way we can get off a list serve and onto a bulliten/message board >style of communication. Numerous times I have almost unsubscribed due to too >many messages and I don't want to read the whole digest each day either. If >you don't check your e-mail for a day or two you're bound to have hundreds of >messages. Many about things which many people find irrelevant. I could >mention a few of the recent ones but everyone has a right to post and I don't >want to piss anyone off. A couple of times in my haste to delete all the DC >Cycles messages to get to the important e-mails, I have accidentally deleted >something from a non DC cycles e-mail that was important. Get a good email application. Oops - you are on AOL. That sucks. If you had regular net access, and a normal POP account, you could use Eudora (or just about any other free mail app) and filter your messages automatically. I am on 2 lists that generate around 200 messages a day. They all auto-filter into a subfolder that I read when I have time. No fuss, no muss. Barring that - get a free hotmail account and send all of your list mail to that account. I think we all (mostly) use the yahoo page, but I dont really care for it as a message board. I use yahoo for everything else (calendar/to-do lists, address book) but the messages are a bit slow and clunky. Email is nice and automatic ;-) BTW Kevin - did you grow up in this area? I knew a Kevin Osbourne in Elementary school. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 26 22:59:23 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA07944 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 22:59:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME ([206.239.191.69]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA14733 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 22:59:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <379D4C8A.571@mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 23:07:06 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: New Lister-Introduction Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > Yet another PwC'er/biker on the list... Welcome. Both Chris Meier and > myself also work for ThebiggestnameinConsulting. Which office are you in? > If in Fair Lakes, you'll often spot my Superhawk in the corner of the lot > next to the handicapped spots. Hmmm, hopefully the VFRs are allowed to park far away from the handicapped spaces! (I always thought the VTRs had a bit more spunk in them Chris ;) > Again, welcome to the list. Yes, welcome Mark. Everyone knows that VFRs are great bikes :) For a look at the D&D slipon on my '95 VFR, click here: http://www.monumental.com/jckozyn/wsdymfg/bikes05.jpg John Kozyn From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 27 06:39:06 1999 Return-Path: brn626@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA16809 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 06:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brn626 (207-172-77-26.s26.as1.lee.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.77.26]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA02573; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 06:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001601bed81d$2452a600$1a4daccf@brn626> From: "Brian N" To: "Danny Thompson" , Subject: Re: Pocono Races August 27-29 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 06:45:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 What are your plans for the Pocono races? Are you going up for the weekend or day tripping? I am thinking about going because I would love to see the Gary Rothwell Stunt show and the Aprilia Cup Challege. Thanks, Brian N 96 Yamaha FZR600 PS If I don't go to Summit, I might go to the airshow. -----Original Message----- From: Danny Thompson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Saturday, July 24, 1999 3:21 AM Subject: Pocono Races August 27-29 >Who's up for going to the races at Pocono? I am probably going and I might >even talk my wife into joining me. > >Danny >'99 VFR >"...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." > 1 Samuel 2:30 > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 27 08:11:47 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web1105.mail.yahoo.com (web1105.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.125]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA18879 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990727121113.20967.rocketmail@web1105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1105.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 05:11:13 PDT Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 05:11:13 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re[2]: What was the name of that lawyer? To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tom Zell wrote: > I agree... have him get the lawyer... Absolutely... I wasn't trying to cast stones, and almost anybody facing reckless driving charges should get a lawyer. My point was just that a 16 year old driving 33 mph over the speed limit is probably showing really poor judgment, is endangering himself and those around him, and probably is not ready to be driving. Yeah, the kid might be that 1 in a million who is a natural when it comes to driving and really able to handle those speeds... but it's unlikely that many inexperienced (or experienced for that matter) drivers fall into that category. And while losing your license is not fun, it's an easier way to learn a lesson that killing yourself, or someone else. Whatever the outcome, hopefully the kid learns something from it. So, getting back on topic, does he have a motorcycle? === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 27 08:16:57 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA19026 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A334950E00A8; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:16:52 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990727073955.00a21ca0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 07:44:40 -0400 To: OsbornKev@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: web... ooops In-Reply-To: <16117ee.24ce668d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:34 PM 7/26/99 , OsbornKev@XXXXXX wrote: > Is >there any way we can get off a list serve and onto a bulliten/message board >style of communication. Numerous times I have almost unsubscribed due to too >many messages and I don't want to read the whole digest each day either. If >you don't check your e-mail for a day or two you're bound to have hundreds of >messages. Many about things which many people find irrelevant. I could >mention a few of the recent ones but everyone has a right to post and I don't >want to piss anyone off. A couple of times in my haste to delete all the DC >Cycles messages to get to the important e-mails, I have accidentally deleted >something from a non DC cycles e-mail that was important. I would hate to move off a listserv and onto some webboard - I find them slow, clumsy, and inconsistent. Now I get all messages delivered to my email account and can deal with them as I want (download them at home or at work, view them with a web browser, whatever). I recommend you filter your messages. I use Eudora Pro (http://www.eudora.com). Their Eudora Lite version is free. I have it set up so any message with "dc-cycles" in any header is sent to the IN-DC-CYCLES folder. I can then read or delete any or all dc-cycles messages. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 27 08:16:59 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA19027 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A336950E00A8; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:16:54 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990727075425.00c00820@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 07:55:16 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Riding Attire Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed from another list-- ****************************************************************************** My former secretary was riding "bitch" with her boyfriend two summers ago, clad only in shorts and a halter top. Riding on a good, straight, uncrowded highway when he blew the front tire. She went off front first, but did have on a helmet (mandated at the time). Shaved lots of skn from the left side of face, but her belly, arms, and thighs were a mess. Oh, I forgot t say that the road ate her nipples. One month in the burn unit. Vanson perforated leathers work very well in the summertime-even in the 106 heat in Texas. You might even keep your nipples. JMO **************************************************************************** ***** Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 27 08:17:36 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web1105.mail.yahoo.com (web1105.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.125]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA19046 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990727121704.22018.rocketmail@web1105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1105.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 05:17:04 PDT Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 05:17:04 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: web... ooops To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I like the email format. As soon as you have to go seek things out (on a web page or wherever) you're going to lose a good chunk of your audience. The Yahoo message boards are a nice idea, but kind of user-unfriendly. And be prepared for mucho spam going that route. I see your concerns, though. Two suggestion that might help... 1. Filtering. Almost all email programs let you do some kind of filtering. When I used to get dc-cycles at my work address, I had everything getting shunted into a separate mailbox so it didn't interrupt me while I was working. 2. Automated subscribe/unsubscribe. This would help when you're leaving town for a while, etc.; you can add or remove yourself almost instantly. This used to be a big pain to set up but now there are commercial sites that will manage the lists for you -- in exchange for popping some ads into the messages, I believe. I have looked at a couple of them but the names are escaping me just now -- hey, I'm on my first cup of coffee. I can do some digging and find them if anyone is interested. --- OsbornKev@XXXXXX wrote: > Another thing I've been meaning to mention to the > group for some time. Is > there any way we can get off a list serve and onto a > bulliten/message board > style of communication === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 27 08:33:07 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1103.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.123]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA19343 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990727123257.21448.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1103.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 05:32:57 PDT Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 05:32:57 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: web... ooops To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Chris Norloff wrote: > I recommend you filter your messages. I use Eudora > Pro > (http://www.eudora.com). Their Eudora Lite version > is free. I have it set > up so any message with "dc-cycles" in any header is > sent to the > IN-DC-CYCLES folder. I can then read or delete any > or all dc-cycles messages. When I made the same suggestion, I didn't notice that he was on AOL, where you can't do that. However, you can set up a separate screen name on AOL just for dc-cycles messages. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 27 08:45:28 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA19599 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:45:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FFJ00JLT4NUCL@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:43:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA18599; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:43:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990727124240.BWGV3540@toddnt>; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:42:40 +0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:41:09 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: DCC: Good Idea? Was: web... ooops In-reply-to: <16117ee.24ce668d@aol.com> To: OsbornKev@XXXXXX, granth@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000701bed82d$4d0bf5f0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal My thoughts are that I'd rather be subscribed to a listserv. Call me lazy, but sometimes I'd rather just login to my mail server and by-pass the extra key-strokes to the net, where then I'd have to wait for netscape to load and then go find the DC-Cycles page, and then sift through hundreds of messages......I'm just too lazy :) But I'm not to lazy to check my mail once a day, and when I can't get to it I just accept I'll have multiple emails. However, I understand your concern. On other lists I've been on, people have agreed to preface there subject line with the name of the list. This allows those with a sorter, or filer to organize their mail easier. Anyone else think this would be a good Idea? As in: Subject: DCC: Good Idea? Todd Kevin Osborne wrote: > Another thing I've been meaning to mention to the group for some > time. Is > there any way we can get off a list serve and onto a > bulliten/message board > style of communication. Numerous times I have almost > unsubscribed due to too > many messages and I don't want to read the whole digest each day > either. ....... Can you imagine the > benefits of a > set up like this. Mail boxes never filled no matter how many > days between > retrieving your e-mail. Only read messages that you want. Don't > have to go > through 35 replies to an original message you could have cared > less about. > Etc. > > What are others' thoughts and opinions on the subject? > > - Kevin > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 27 09:20:38 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA20183 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:20:36 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA24351; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:21:01 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma023584; Tue, 27 Jul 99 09:20:12 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FFJ00D716HBU3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567BB.004915D3 ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:18:17 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:17:46 -0400 Subject: Re: New Lister-Introduction To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567BB.00491714.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Danny Thompson wrote: > Did he say NEXT to the handicapped parking? Yes, yes, NEXT to the handicapped parking. I just knew I'd see a post or two about this! :^) There is a small, 3-foot wide space between the well-defined handicapped parking and a wall around the parking lot at my office. Very legal, and also VERY handy! So there! ;^p Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 27 09:35:53 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA20459 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A5B21B21008A; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:35:46 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990727091602.00c04a30@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:19:32 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: DCC: Good Idea? Was: web... ooops In-Reply-To: <000701bed82d$4d0bf5f0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <16117ee.24ce668d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:41 AM 7/27/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >On other lists I've been on, people have agreed to preface there >subject line with the name of the list. This allows those with a sorter, or >filer to organize their mail easier. > >Anyone else think this would be a good Idea? As in: > > Subject: DCC: Good Idea? I don't think it's necessary, but I'm not against it. Filters (at least the ones I know of) work on the Subject line, the To line, the From line, the Reply-To line, any Header, the message body, and other possiblities -- adding something to the Subject line isn't necessary. Also, given the poor labeling of many Subject lines, I doubt people would remember to add DCC. I have seen that used automatically on other lists, though. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 27 09:40:30 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA20472 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:40:28 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA10071; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:40:17 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa09305; Tue, 27 Jul 99 09:39:09 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FFJ00H417DAJK@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567BB.004AD6E5 ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:37:26 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:36:54 -0400 Subject: Re: Riding Attire To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567BB.004AD8B6.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I have to give a plug to some great riding gear that I recently bought. Teknic two-piece perforated leathers. I'm not sure of the model name, but the jacket stays cool (while riding) through at least the mid 90s fahrenheit. The pants (also perforated) are a little warmer, but still not uncomfortable. The PAIR of leathers cost me about $470. That's less than you would pay for just a Vanson jacket. I've tried on the Vanson jackets, and the leather and stitching quality of the Teknic seems on par with them. The Teknic leather is not as stiff as the Vanson's when new, which I like, but the thickness seems the same (1.3mm if I recall right). Padding everywhere you want it with the one exception of the back, however there is a pocket there for other padding/armor. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 27 10:20:46 1999 Return-Path: true@XXXXXX Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [207.176.80.109]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21317 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dilbernator (max1p105a.smart.net [209.136.133.105]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA17422 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:20:32 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990727102714.00687de0@wingate> X-Sender: true911#pop.bellatlantic.net@wingate X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:27:30 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: DCC: Good Idea? Was: web... ooops Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If it comes to that, we could run it through onelist.com or some other maillist service, which does this for you automatically. However, there seems to be enough "uniqueness" to the current headers that I don't recall ever missing the filter. At 08:41 AM 7/27/1999 -0400, you wrote: >... >I just accept I'll have multiple emails. However, I understand your >concern. On other lists I've been on, people have agreed to preface there >subject line with the name of the list. This allows those with a sorter, or >filer to organize their mail easier. > >Anyone else think this would be a good Idea? As in: > > Subject: DCC: Good Idea? MET --------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove Email: true@XXXXXX WWW: http://members.bellatlantic.net/~true911 ... playing around at work, like I shouldn't be ... --------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 27 11:13:39 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22115 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:13:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id LAA12988; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:13:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:13:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding Attire In-Reply-To: <852567BB.004AD8B6.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 27 Jul 1999 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > I have to give a plug to some great riding gear that I recently bought. > Teknic two-piece perforated leathers. I'm not sure of the model name, but [snip] I'll second that as well. I've had a Tecnic perforated jacket for 2 years now, and it's an excellent piece of gear. The only time it gets hot is if you're sitting in traffic and the sun is beating down on you. Other than that, lots of air flows through the jacket and it's very nice. I think I paid about $200 (might have been $250) for the jacket at CycleSport. Mine includes armor in the shoulders, elbows, forearms, and lower back. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 27 12:16:47 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23249 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:16:45 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.25) id vVTCa27493 (3930); Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <71b04a2a.24cf34cd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:14:05 EDT Subject: Re: New Lister-Introduction To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 nice to meet you Mark .... I think you'll find this list pretty laid back and easygoing :D Marcy From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 27 12:31:29 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f255.hotmail.com [209.185.130.171]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA23519 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 67331 invoked by uid 0); 27 Jul 1999 16:30:55 -0000 Message-ID: <19990727163055.67330.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.229.31.22 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:30:52 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.229.31.22] Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX From: "Leon Begeman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Neato Internet site for virtual motorcycle postcards Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:30:52 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Larry Meyer said: >Check out the twisty road on this page - a dashed yellow line? I >don't even think Brian would pass on this one! > >http://www.motorcity.net/Postcards/page2.shtml I don't see anything wrong with passing there. You can see the oncoming lane for about 3 more turns out. That should give you a good open spot to make your pass before the line turns to double yellow just into the first left hand turn. Leon. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 27 12:57:26 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1201.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.137]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA24001 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990727165402.23370.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.122] by web1201.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:54:02 PDT Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:54:02 -0700 (PDT) From: ImTheMan ITM Subject: Re: DCC: Good Idea? Was: web... ooops To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Personally, I like using hte newsgroups and use agent 1.5 to view it. It's almost the same as email, except it's archived, easily searched by deja news, and you don't have to clutter up your email inbox on the server side. I just created alt.motorcycle.sportbike.ninja.250 for another bulletin board. Oh btw and you can use dejanews to view/post as well. Maybe someone should create dc.motorcycles to fit right in with dc.bicycles and dc.forsale and dc.housing etc --- "Mark E. Truelove" wrote: > > If it comes to that, we could run it through > onelist.com or some other > maillist service, which does this for you > automatically. However, there > seems to be enough "uniqueness" to the current > headers that I don't recall > ever missing the filter. > > > At 08:41 AM 7/27/1999 -0400, you wrote: > >... > >I just accept I'll have multiple emails. However, > I understand your > >concern. On other lists I've been on, people have > agreed to preface there > >subject line with the name of the list. This > allows those with a sorter, or > >filer to organize their mail easier. > > > >Anyone else think this would be a good Idea? As > in: > > > > Subject: DCC: Good Idea? > > > MET > > --------------------------------------------------- > Mark E. Truelove Email: true@XXXXXX > WWW: http://members.bellatlantic.net/~true911 > > ... playing around at work, like I shouldn't be ... > --------------------------------------------------- > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 27 13:08:52 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from defender.fda.gov (defender.fda.gov [198.77.181.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA24198 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gatekeeper.cder.fda.gov by defender.fda.gov via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 27 Jul 1999 17:08:10 UT Received: from royk.cder.fda.gov by gatekeeper.cder.fda.gov; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/19Sep95-0726PM) id AA04779; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 13:09:51 -0400 From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: (fwd) Re: A sad day for flat track Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:10:11 GMT Message-Id: <379ee6c7.1832765@gatekeeper.cder.fda.gov> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hank Blackstock wrote: > Yesterday at the Du Quoin National flat track there was a very bad > accident which claimed the life of National Number 27 Davey Camlin. = Four > other riders were hospitalized with bad injuries. >=20 > Hank Blackstock On Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:03:17 -0500, in rec.motorcycles.racing Mr Moto wrote: I was at Du Quoin Saturday and saw the accident. It was the worst I've ever seen or even heard of in dirt track racing. It was in the second semi, and the riders had nearly completed one lap. I was low in the grandstand, a few feet from start/finish, and was watching the pack as they passed. I saw a bike go down right in front of me and the rider was run over. There was a chain reaction as the rest of the riders passed and made contact, and the whole pack seemed to explode as riders and debris flew towards turn one. Riders involved were Camlin, Landes, Atherton, Landes, Davis, Rogers, and Murphree. Rogers and Davis walked away, and Davis raced on Sunday. Atherton and Landes suffered broken bones. Davey was one of the most well-liked riders on the circuit. He turned pro in 1986 at the age of 17, and had nearly 100 GNC finishes. He was a fine miler, and had won not only two DuQuoin miles, (94,95) but also back to back miles in Springfield IL in the same weekend in 1996.=20 The remaining riders decided as a group to donate the entire purse to the Camlin family, and decided to forego the GNC final for points. The rode an abbreviated 12 lap race with 19 riders. Each reider was given the opportinity to lead the pack at least once, and Steve Morehead paced the riders for most of the tribute. At the end of the race, the riders packed and crossed the finish line as one. Our thoughts and prayers go out to the family of Davey.=20 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 27 13:12:04 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24290 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A861B8F0178; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:12:01 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990727131004.00c28a70@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:11:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: DCC: Good Idea? Was: web... ooops In-Reply-To: <19990727165402.23370.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:54 PM 7/27/99 , ImTheMan ITM wrote: >Personally, I like using hte newsgroups and use agent 1.5 to view it. >It's almost the same as email, except >it's archived, easily searched by deja news, and you >don't have to clutter up your email inbox on the server side. I just >created alt.motorcycle.sportbike.ninja.250 for another bulletin >board. Oh btw and you can use dejanews >to view/post as well. > >Maybe someone should create dc.motorcycles >to fit right in with dc.bicycles and dc.forsale >and dc.housing etc After using Newsgroups, and experiencing the very low signal-to-noise ratio (like on rec.motorcycles), the incredible spamming, and the harvesting of user's email addresses for spam, I opted out. For those who like Newsgroups, go for it. But I like what we have here. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 27 13:16:25 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24403 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud77i (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA09187; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01bd01bed852$f913e0e0$7901a8c0@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt" To: , References: <19990727163055.67330.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Neato Internet site for virtual motorcycle postcards Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:10:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 ::pointing at Leon while touching nose:: (you know...like charades) Kirt 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va ----- Original Message ----- From: Leon Begeman To: Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 12:30 PM Subject: Re: Neato Internet site for virtual motorcycle postcards > Larry Meyer said: > > >Check out the twisty road on this page - a dashed yellow line? I > >don't even think Brian would pass on this one! > > > >http://www.motorcity.net/Postcards/page2.shtml > > > I don't see anything wrong with passing there. You can see the oncoming > lane for about 3 more turns out. That should give you a good open spot to > make your pass before the line turns to double yellow just into the first > left hand turn. > > Leon. > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 27 14:26:11 1999 Return-Path: kamuelle@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA25859 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ewiley (216-164-231-251.s505.tnt7.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.231.251]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id OAA06806 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990727142620.0093dca0@mail.vt.edu> X-Sender: kamuelle@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:26:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Karl Mueller Subject: Re: Chicken strips Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Would this qualify? http://www.bikepics.com/yamaha/yzf-r1/030-yzf-r1-norm.jpg --Karl From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 27 15:25:21 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA26985 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 15:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud77i (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA03811 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 15:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003501bed864$fa2d6200$7901a8c0@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt" To: Subject: Dc Sportbike Riders Club... Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 15:19:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01BED843.72FA0930" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BED843.72FA0930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What is the URL for their homepage again??? I am in the mood for a good = laugh... Kirt 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR =20 Annandale, Va ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BED843.72FA0930 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What is the URL for their homepage = again???  I=20 am in the mood for a good laugh...
 
Kirt
1996 CBR 600F3 SJR    =
Annandale, Va
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BED843.72FA0930-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 27 15:53:48 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA27653 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 15:53:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 04:09:16 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Neato Internet site for virtual motorcycle postcards Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 04:09:08 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Now wait a sec - you can see quite a ways ahead - I can sure corner better than them cagers (er, busses?) - that's doable.. :) Even more so when my bike actually runs and makes power! Brian (Upholding the WSDYMfG values) McCoy > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Meyer [mailto:lmeyer@XXXXXX] > > Check out the twisty road on this page - a dashed yellow > line? I don't > even think Brian would pass on this one! > > http://www.motorcity.net/Postcards/page2.shtml From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 27 15:53:54 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA27655 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 15:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 04:24:30 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: web... ooops Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 04:24:26 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > -----Original Message----- > From: OsbornKev@XXXXXX [mailto:OsbornKev@XXXXXX] Can you imagine > the benefits of a > set up like this. Mail boxes never filled no matter how many > days between > retrieving your e-mail. Only read messages that you want. > Don't have to go > through 35 replies to an original message you could have > cared less about. Waiting 40 minutes for your web browser to load each message, taking up 5 times my time to read through them. I doubt everyone's going to be satasfied with one solution - that's always going to be the case. I dislike digest mode personally, and perfer individual e-mails because it's much easier to scan the mail, who it's to, who it's from and if I feel like reading it. How much mail I have in my in-box is irrelivent.. if I'm gone for several days, I postpone my subscription or delete everything. Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 27 16:03:15 1999 Return-Path: berman@XXXXXX Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA27854 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 16:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01260 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 16:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 16:03:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: web... ooops In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If it helps anyone, I archive the last 30 msgs from DC-Cycles in a rolling archive on my web site. It's located at http://www.min.net/~berman/morris/lists/dccycles/ -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 27 16:31:44 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm02sm.pmm.cw.net (pm02sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.98.151]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA28456 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 16:31:43 -0400 (EDT) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr51-dialup253.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.62.198.133]) by PM02SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35316) with SMTP id <0FFJ0012NQBYY4@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:31:12 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 16:30:01 +0000 Subject: Re: Dc Sportbike Riders Club... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001f01bed84d$4736aec0$85c63ea6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <003501bed864$fa2d6200$7901a8c0@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcsportbikeriders enjoy..... Jon ICQ# 11193913 Hello 88' HawkGT - blue Goodbye 92' FZR600 - yellow http://come.to/fzrmofo From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 27 16:37:19 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA28535 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 16:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud77i (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id QAA09298; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 16:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002f01bed86e$a6f7c350$7901a8c0@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt" To: , References: <19990727202423.17876.rocketmail@web504.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: [cbr] F4 dental work Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 16:28:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Has anyone on the list had good success/stories about dropping a tooth on the front Sprocket on a 600F3? I'm seriously contemplating doing this, but I'm looking for some good advice/encouragment before I go ahead and do it. Kirt 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, VA ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith P To: Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [cbr] F4 dental work > --- Kirt wrote: > > > this was true, what > > prevented Honda from having one less tooth on the > > front in the first place? > > It's for either noise or emissions or both. The EPA > test probably says the bike can emit no more than X > amount of pollution at Y road speed. So they gear the > bike way tall to get the engine turning as slow & > quiet as possible. > > Coincidentally, I changed my F4 front sprocket > yesterday. I have no need for a 160mph streetbike. So > now I have a 150mph streetbike. ;) I like it because > it's easier to keep the rpm above the 6-6500rpm flat > spot without going triple digits. It seems to make > power delivery more linear. At cruising speed it's > much easier to pass without downshifting. I've got > less than 100 miles on the new gearing, so I'm still > getting comfortable with it. I may make a rear > sprocket change to dial it in, but that will wait > until the chain wears out. > > Wheelies and burnouts are not a problem! > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 27 17:14:08 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA29236 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 119EXg-0001qD-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:13:44 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:13:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: tour update Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII updated tour info can be found at http://www.twowheelsgood.net/tour/tour.html ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 27 18:32:50 1999 Return-Path: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA00773 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 18:32:48 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.25) id 2UHQa05145 (4225) for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 18:31:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4ea143f7.24cf8d56@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 18:31:50 EDT Subject: Re: (Fwd) 2nd Announcment: '99 Magical Mystery Tour To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 One note from my car TSD rally days, there should be a short measured section (usually 10 miles on the odometer of the person who set the rally up) so that the participants can calibrate their odometer against the master. If landmarks are used to identify turns, then there isn't that much of a problem, but an instruction like "Go 22.3 miles and take the first available left" can be a disaster if your odo is 10% off. Michael (been there) J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 27 19:11:36 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA01495 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:11:35 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 4TBAa06266 (4197); Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5f234ff2.24cf967e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:10:54 EDT Subject: Re: DCC: Good Idea? Was: web... ooops To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 In a message dated 7/27/1999 9:40:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: << Also, given the poor labeling of many Subject lines, I doubt people would remember to add DCC. I have seen that used automatically on other lists, though. >> Has anyone checked to see if our server can be set to automatically add this? The other list I'm on adds it to every message sent to the list. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 27 19:26:16 1999 Return-Path: rdt@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA01763 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt (216-164-242-198.s452.tnt10.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.242.198]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA11730; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004e01bed886$cabf3b20$c6f2a4d8@rdt> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: "Kirt" , , References: <19990727202423.17876.rocketmail@web504.yahoomail.com> <002f01bed86e$a6f7c350$7901a8c0@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> Subject: Re: [cbr] F4 dental work Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:21:43 -0400 Organization: Attorney at Law X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I think you are better off increasing the size of the rear sprocket two or three teeth. I did that on my 96 F3. It puts less stress on the chain going with a larger rear sprocket. Just make sure you order the right size chain. I installed an AFAM kit that included both sprockets and the chain. Roy D. Turner, Esq. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kirt To: ; Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [cbr] F4 dental work > Has anyone on the list had good success/stories about dropping a tooth on > the front Sprocket on a 600F3? I'm seriously contemplating doing this, but > I'm looking for some good advice/encouragment before I go ahead and do it. > > Kirt > 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR > Annandale, VA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Keith P > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 4:24 PM > Subject: Re: [cbr] F4 dental work > > > > --- Kirt wrote: > > > > > this was true, what > > > prevented Honda from having one less tooth on the > > > front in the first place? > > > > It's for either noise or emissions or both. The EPA > > test probably says the bike can emit no more than X > > amount of pollution at Y road speed. So they gear the > > bike way tall to get the engine turning as slow & > > quiet as possible. > > > > Coincidentally, I changed my F4 front sprocket > > yesterday. I have no need for a 160mph streetbike. So > > now I have a 150mph streetbike. ;) I like it because > > it's easier to keep the rpm above the 6-6500rpm flat > > spot without going triple digits. It seems to make > > power delivery more linear. At cruising speed it's > > much easier to pass without downshifting. I've got > > less than 100 miles on the new gearing, so I'm still > > getting comfortable with it. I may make a rear > > sprocket change to dial it in, but that will wait > > until the chain wears out. > > > > Wheelies and burnouts are not a problem! > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 27 20:51:01 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm05sm.pmm.cw.net (pm05sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.98.154]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA03262 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:50:59 -0400 (EDT) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr17-dialup38.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.62.70.38]) by PM05SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35323) with SMTP id <0FFK00I892BN61@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 00:50:13 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:49:01 +0000 Subject: Re: [cbr] F4 dental work To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001f01bed871$75b73e80$26463ea6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <19990727202423.17876.rocketmail@web504.yahoomail.com> <002f01bed86e$a6f7c350$7901a8c0@XXXXXX> > Has anyone on the list had good success/stories about dropping a tooth on > the front Sprocket on a 600F3? I'm seriously contemplating doing this, but > I'm looking for some good advice/encouragment before I go ahead and do it. > Kirt Good, cheap mod for more acceleration. I did it on my old FZR and it added a little zip. Don't worry about chain wear, it's only one tooth down. Now if you want to do it right, get the whole kit. A nice 520 conversion, keep the stock size front and add 3 to the rear. Adjust chain links accordingly..... Jon ICQ# 11193913 Hello 88' HawkGT - blue Goodbye 92' FZR600 - yellow http://come.to/fzrmofo From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 27 23:35:10 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA06014 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 23:35:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA15984 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 23:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA26485 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 23:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (216-164-244-139.s393.tnt11.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.244.139]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA01346 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 23:34:48 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990727233310.00bb5bc0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 23:34:41 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Notice a trend....? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" National Weather Service is just covering their ass... but I don't want to get wet.... ==================== Overnight...mostly clear. low from 65 to 70. northwest wind 5 to 10 mph. Wednesday...partly sunny with a chance of a late day thunderstorm. high near 95. west wind 10 mph becoming southwest. chance of rain 30 percent. Wednesday night...partly cloudy. a 30 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms...mainly after midnight. low around 70. Thursday...partly cloudy with a 40 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms. high from 90 to 95. Extended forecast... Thursday night...a chance of showers and thunderstorms. low around 70. Friday...partly sunny with a chance of a late day thunderstorm. high around 90. Saturday...partly cloudy with a chance of a late day thunderstorm. low around 70. high in the lower 90s. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 28 02:27:17 1999 Return-Path: ltweed@XXXXXX Received: from m6.boston.juno.com (m6.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.197]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA09590 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 02:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ltweed@XXXXXX) by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EGLHSJYV; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 02:27:01 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 02:05:23 -0400 Subject: Re: [cbr] F4 dental work Message-ID: <19990728.022516.-987905.9.ltweed@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,9 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Louis E Tweed >Good, cheap mod for more acceleration. I did it on my old FZR and it >added >a little zip. Don't worry about chain wear, it's only one tooth down. Welll, kinda. Dropping one tooth on the front does accelerate chain wear and the chain is now pivoting on a smaller diameter sprocket which means that the links have to pivot to a higher angle. This mod also has a direct effect on chain torque which affects suspension action. Adding teeth in the rear is a better route than decreasing the teeth on the front. Louis ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 28 08:26:30 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from relay05.netaddress.usa.net (relay05.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.185]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA15696 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 08:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25094 invoked from network); 28 Jul 1999 12:26:10 -0000 Received: from wwcst212.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.212) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 28 Jul 1999 12:26:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 27482 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jul 1999 12:24:18 -0000 Message-ID: <19990728122418.27481.qmail@wwcst212.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.212 by wwcst212 via web-mailer(M3.2.0.53) on Wed Jul 28 12:24:18 GMT 1999 Date: 28 Jul 99 08:24:18 EDT From: LindaT To: dc Subject: Dual Sport X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.53) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've decided to stop fooling with my '86 KLR250 that I can't start and bu= y a new one. I've found a 2000 KLR250 at Freestate Cycle and will be making = the deal this week (I think). I originally thought I would trade the 86 in, = but I'm beginning to think that's not necessarily a good idea. I know I woul= dn't get much for it, but that is not my concern. I'd like to see it find a g= ood home. It's not a bad bike if you can deal with a kickstarter. It's kind= a beat up, but, hey, it's an 86. Any suggestions? LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (59K miles and counting) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle = http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/index.html ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 28 08:31:33 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA15874 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 08:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA18510 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 08:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA04818 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 08:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id FAA19069 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 28 Jul 1999 05:31:26 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 28 Jul 1999 05:31:26 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Notice a trend....? Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 05:31:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >National Weather Service is just covering their ass... >but I don't want to get wet.... >==================== Mike, Get a piece of paper. Write "Hazy, hot and humid with a chance of afternoon thunderstorms" on it. Tape it to your TV screen This is valid through mid-September Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 28 08:33:51 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA15892 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 08:33:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id FAA19460 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 28 Jul 1999 05:33:47 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 28 Jul 1999 05:33:47 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Chicken strips Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 05:33:37 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Would this qualify? >http://www.bikepics.com/yamaha/yzf-r1/030-yzf-r1-norm.jpg I wish I had that much money to be able to use so little tire Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 28 10:10:58 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18393 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud77i (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA01624 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <018401bed902$37fca9e0$7901a8c0@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt Senser" To: Subject: CBR 600F3 Balance Point is HIGH! Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:05:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0181_01BED8E0.B0862D90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0181_01BED8E0.B0862D90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I want to apologize for making myself look like an ass to all those = people that suggested using the WFO-throttle, close throttle, = WFO-throttle method of doing wheelies. I kept saying, "it doesn't work" = I take that back, it works really well. I just wasn't opening the = throttle all the way after closing it. =20 =20 On the way back home from the Bowie/Crofton, Maryland area, I decided to = take the side roads, so i could practice some wheelies without: A) = getting arrested and B) having to deal with cages. Yesterday, I = found out that the above method of riding wheelies works if I sit back = farther in the saddle. So, I tried a few that way. Then I realized = that in an effort not to fall off the back of the bike, I wasn't going = fully to the stop on the throttle, because that makes my wrist bend in a = weird way. So, I cocked my wrist over the throttle while it was closed, = and tried again. Tried a couple more times, and on or about the third = try it came up perfectly...and kept going up...and up...and I started to = close the throttle. But, to my surprise, not only could I not see over = the windscreen, but when I rolled off a little, the bike stayed up. For = a while :-) I don't know how far I rode it, but it was definitely the = best wheelie I've ever done. Under control, still in first gear, rolled = off a little more and the nose started coming down. When it was about a = foot off the ground or so, I rolled back on a little bit to slow the = descent and the front wheel touched down smoothly, with a little chirp = of the tire. Had to pull the bike over, get off, and smoke a cigarette = to calm down. Sorry about the bandwidth, but I had to tell someone, and = I figured you all would appreciate it more than my roommate would (since = I'd have to wake him up to tell him). haha... =20 Kirt 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0181_01BED8E0.B0862D90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I want to apologize for making myself = look like an=20 ass to all those people that suggested  using the WFO-throttle, = close=20 throttle, WFO-throttle method of doing wheelies.  I kept saying, = "it=20 doesn't work"  I take that back, it works really well.  I just = wasn't=20 opening the throttle all the way after closing it. =20
 
On the way back home from the Bowie/Crofton, = Maryland area, I=20 decided to take the side roads, so i could practice some wheelies = without: =20 A) getting arrested    and B) having to deal with = cages. =20 Yesterday, I found out that the above method of riding wheelies works if = I sit=20 back farther in the saddle.  So, I tried a few that way.  Then = I=20 realized that in an effort not to fall off the back of the bike, I = wasn't going=20 fully to the stop on the throttle, because that makes my wrist bend in a = weird=20 way.  So, I cocked my wrist over the throttle while it was closed, = and=20 tried again.  Tried a couple more times, and on or about the third = try it=20 came up perfectly...and kept going up...and up...and I started to close = the=20 throttle.  But, to my surprise, not only could I not see over the=20 windscreen, but when I rolled off a little, the bike stayed up.  = For a=20 while  :-)  I don't know how far I rode it, but it was = definitely the=20 best wheelie I've ever done.  Under control, still in first gear, = rolled=20 off a little more and the nose started coming down.  When it was = about a=20 foot off the ground or so, I rolled back on a little bit to slow the = descent and=20 the front wheel touched down smoothly, with a little chirp of the = tire. =20 Had to pull the bike over, get off, and smoke a cigarette to calm = down. =20 Sorry about the bandwidth, but I had to tell someone, and I figured you = all=20 would appreciate it more than my roommate would (since I'd have to wake = him up=20 to tell him).  haha...
 
Kirt
1996 CBR 600F3 SJR
Annandale, Va
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0181_01BED8E0.B0862D90-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 28 10:52:36 1999 Return-Path: matte@XXXXXX Received: from mail.savvis.net (mail.savvis.net [209.83.194.44]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19245 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Nova2.sales.savvis.net (h230-89-217-199.sales.savvis.net [199.217.89.230]) by mail.savvis.net (8.8.8/Savvis_V0.4) with SMTP id JAA20722 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:52:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:48:20 -0400 Message-ID: <01BED8E6.B5090EE0.matte@savvis.net> From: "Matthew R. Elliott" Reply-To: "matte@XXXXXX" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: cb-750 list Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:48:18 -0400 Organization: Savvis Communications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know there are other hawk riders on this list, does anyone have the cb-750 address/subcription address and how to subscribe? Thanks - Matt 95 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 28 11:04:12 1999 Return-Path: mrcbr@XXXXXX Received: from web208.mail.yahoo.com (web208.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.108]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA19425 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990728150403.2641.rocketmail@web208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.119.40.163] by web208.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 08:04:03 PDT Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 08:04:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "CBR's Rule" Subject: Re:CBR 600F3 Balance Point is HIGH! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kirt Senser wrote: I decided to take the side roads, so i could practice some wheelies without: A) getting arrested and B) having to deal with cages. I didn't realize that cops and cages didn't use side roads over by Bowie and Crofton, hopefully small children on bikes and wildlife stay away as well. Its good to know a place I can go to practice illegal activities. I normally use my neighborhood streets to practice wheelies, since there usually is little traffic and the little kids think its really cool. BTW are any of the back roads straight enough to go WFO and get up into triple digits? _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 28 11:04:24 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA19434 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 28 Jul 1999 18:03:03 UT Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:03 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Kirt Senser" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:CBR 600F3 Balance Point is HIGH! Message-ID: <19990728110428181-470d112@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kirt, Woohoo!!! Welcome to the world of Squidom of which I'm a fellow member :-) !!! Two weekends ago I pulled a nice one in front of some folks on 17th St. right after Sunday brunch (what a showoff I am). First gear was great but the second gear pop up was quite a surprise! Keep practicing... and keep the front end from smacking hard... that's one of the keys to keeping the forks and such in good shape (sounds like yours was super graceful). If you want some more tips... try sending a post to Lenzy@XXXXXX (fellow lister... usually in lurk mode). He's pretty much the wheelie king in my book. I've seen him do stuff on his Goof2 that Rothwell would've been proud of! Later, Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 28 11:15:29 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19690 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA19585 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA08532 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA03509; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:15:20 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990728111357.01742e50@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:15:18 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: NVFR - '88 CBR 600 HP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have been all over the web and emailed a few owners - no response. Anyone know what the base HP was on an '88 Hurricane? Need to settle a bet with a former owner that recently rode my VFR. Thanks. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 28 11:16:41 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19719 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FFL006FY633O8@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:09:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA21779; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:07:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990728150849.RNDK6442@[166.41.251.160]>; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:08:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:07:19 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: cb-750 list In-reply-to: <01BED8E6.B5090EE0.matte@savvis.net> To: matte@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001401bed90a$e2cdefc0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal I can do you one better. http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/moto/mailing-lists.html Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew R. Elliott [mailto:matte@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 10:48 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: cb-750 list > > > I know there are other hawk riders on this list, does anyone have > the cb-750 address/subcription address and how to subscribe? > > Thanks - Matt > 95 750 > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 28 11:25:55 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19889 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FFL00ABL5JH0H@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:57:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta02.mcit.com (omzmta02.mcit.com [166.37.194.120]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA15925; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:58:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta02.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990728145716.RHYU6442@[166.41.251.160]>; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:57:16 +0000 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:55:45 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: CBR 600F3 Balance Point is HIGH! In-reply-to: <018401bed902$37fca9e0$7901a8c0@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> To: Kirt Senser , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000f01bed909$457437d0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal -----Original Message----- Kirt Senser wrote I want to apologize for making myself look like an ass to all those people that suggested using the WFO-throttle, close throttle, WFO-throttle method of doing wheelies. I kept saying, "it doesn't work" I take that back, it works really well. I just wasn't opening the throttle all the way after closing it. On the way back home from the Bowie/Crofton, Maryland area, I decided to take the side roads, so i could practice some wheelies without: A) getting arrested and B) having to deal with cages. Yesterday, I found out that the above method of riding wheelies works if I sit back farther in the saddle. So, I tried a few that way. Then I realized that in an effort not to fall off the back of the bike, I wasn't going fully to the stop on the throttle, because that makes my wrist bend in a weird way. So, I cocked my wrist over the throttle while it was closed, and tried again. Tried a couple more times, and on or about the third try it came up perfectly...and kept going up...and up...and I started to close the throttle. But, to my surprise, not only could I not see over the windscreen, but when I rolled off a little, the bike stayed up. For a while :-) I don't know how far I rode it, but it was definitely the best wheelie I've ever done. Under control, still in first gear, rolled off a little more and the nose started coming down. When it was about a foot off the ground or so, I rolled back on a little bit to slow the descent and the front wheel touched down smoothly, with a little chirp of the tire. Had to pull the bike over, get off, and smoke a cigarette to calm down. Sorry about the bandwidth, but I had to tell someone, and I figured you all would appreciate it more than my roommate would (since I'd have to wake him up to tell him). haha... ------------------------------ Glad to hear you're here to tell us what a SQUID you are! You couldn't see over the windscreen, but you were in control? I am LMAO! I'm sure a couple people here appreciate how cool you are, but if you want REAL admiration go here: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcsportbikeriders Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 28 11:26:28 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19899 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud77i (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA06266; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <020001bed90c$c4b4c9d0$7901a8c0@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt Senser" To: "CBR's Rule" , References: <19990728150403.2641.rocketmail@web208.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Re:CBR 600F3 Balance Point is HIGH! Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:20:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Yes... quite a few of them. MD Route 301 (also known as Rt. 3 at certain parts) is straight, decently wide, clean, and smooth. Also, after about 9 o'clock at night, almost entirely deserted. Many other roads in that area (especially the appropriately named Racetrack Rd.) are similar. It's a pretty area too (for Maryland), so I'm probably gonna go take some pictures back there soon. Kirt 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va ----- Original Message ----- From: CBR's Rule To: Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 11:04 AM Subject: Re:CBR 600F3 Balance Point is HIGH! > Kirt Senser wrote: > I decided to take the side roads, so i could practice > some wheelies without: A) getting arrested and B) > having to deal with cages. > > > I didn't realize that cops and cages didn't use side > roads over by Bowie and Crofton, hopefully small > children on bikes and wildlife stay away as well. Its > good to know a place I can go to practice illegal > activities. I normally use my neighborhood streets to > practice wheelies, since there usually is little > traffic and the little kids think its really cool. > BTW are any of the back roads straight enough to go > WFO and get up into triple digits? > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 28 12:19:50 1999 Return-Path: X96MATTESON@XXXXXX Received: from gw.wmich.edu (gw.wmich.edu [141.218.1.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA20910 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eeyore.cc.wmich.edu (PMDF_BATCH@XXXXXX [141.218.20.103]) by gw.wmich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28286 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by WMICH.EDU (PMDF V5.2-32 #35219) id <01JE3IYYNQ5S95NJEZ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:19:43 EDT Received: from WMICH.EDU by WMICH.EDU (PMDF V5.2-32 #35219) id <01JE3IYYCTGM8YBQ6Z@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:19:43 -0400 (EDT) From: x96matteson@XXXXXX Subject: Paint Job To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello fellow Dc-cyclers, I have a '95 YZK 600 that I want to get painted black. I also want to get my decals redone in silver to match the frame. Anyone know of a place in D.C. that does this, Does a good job, and does not cost a mint?? Thanks for any info. Ryan From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 28 12:24:24 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA21001 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA26098 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:24:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: CBR 600F3 Balance Point is HIGH! In-Reply-To: <020001bed90c$c4b4c9d0$7901a8c0@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 28 Jul 1999, Kirt Senser wrote: > Yes... quite a few of them. MD Route 301 (also known as Rt. 3 at certain > parts) is straight, decently wide, clean, and smooth. Also, after about 9 > o'clock at night, almost entirely deserted. US301 is a 4-6 lane divided highway that goes all the way to Florida. If that's a side road I'd hate to see what you call a main road. > Annandale, Va Hmmm, couldn't you do these tricks on a side road closer to home, say I-95? Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 28 12:26:59 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA21036 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA20347 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:26:54 -0400 (EDT) From: CBR600twt@XXXXXX Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA10818 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CBR600twt@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id oHLNa14818 (4232); Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2fb7ce95.24d0889f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:23:59 EDT Subject: Re: NVFR - '88 CBR 600 HP To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 If you are talking about the original CBR600 F, they didn't produce more than 60 - 65 RWHP. Tom T. 98 R1 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 28 12:36:26 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA21301 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A18494B0146; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:36:20 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990728123033.00c4a700@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:31:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Hayabusa by Harhay Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reposted from another list, with permission. Chris Norloff >Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 15:16:15 -0700 (PDT) >From: Warren Harhay > > >It has six speeds. > >First gear takes you to the speed limit. >The remaining five to motorcycling Nirvana. >Or ... to jail. > >It has a unique, distinctive appearance. >It was designed that way for a specific purpose. >To go fast. >To go very, very fast. > >It is the world's fastest production motorcycle. > >It is a Suzuki GSX-1300R Hayabusa. > >I've got one. > >In America you can legally own a machine gun. So in the land of the free >and the home of the brave it just seems meet right and proper to be able >to walk up to your neighborhood Suzuki dealer, plunk down a bit more >than ten grand and ride away with a machine whose top speed is about three >times that of any posted speed limit in the country. A motorcycle that is >faster than most personal aircraft. What else can you get that is at the >top, the pinnacle, the ultimate of its genre for this kind of dough? > >It it possible to see a road sign announcing a turn 3 miles distant. >You could be turning there in under a minute. > >It is a gearhead's delight this GSX-1300R. A muscle bike with fine muscle >control. To duplicate this level of performance in an automobile, you'd be >looking at spending a quarter of a mil. Yet seldom is one presented with >the opportunity to draw even a fraction of the raw power available on tap >from the 175 hp four. Yet the knowledge that you could do so has a >compelling appeal to those of us deranged souls who have opted to own and >ride one of these birds of prey. > >I've just recently gotten through the initial break in period. Since the >factory recommends keeping the revs below 5500 RPM, the allowable top >speed had been limited to a mere 105 MPH. Now with this cautionary >limitation erased the 'Busa can now almost double this previously vapid >velocity. > >Ok, so it goes fast. But it is a good motorcycle? Surprisingly the >GSX-1300R is an excellant motorcycle. I will compare it to the vehicle >which it replaced in my garage, a Yamaha V-Max. The V-Max has been the >hooligan's tool of choice for those demented souls wishing to teach >obedience and humility to various Porsches, Corvettes and Saleen Mustangs >at traffic lights. The V-Max, although a great straight line hot rod, >suffers from a frame seemingly sourced of the same alloy that is used to >manufacture Slinkys. As such, the Max suffers from just a wee bit of flex >in the corners. Kinda like one of those articulated busses that bend in >the middle. The 'Busa is a thouroughly modern design and is a true >sportbike. It doesn't bend, flex or move about unexpectedly, in short, it >handles. There is no road that I have found that wasn't a delight to >traverse. > >I got hooked on higher performance motorcycles with a BMW K1200RS. I still >have the RS, but because the RS has a tendency to overheat here in the >desert southwest during the summer months, I've decided to move it to my >brother's house in the east for rides on the "right" coast. The RS is a >fast bike but nowhere near the performance level of this Suzuki. > >In the Max the power band has a step function caused by a microprocessor >controlled carburaetion scheme called "V-Boost" which feels very much like >the turbo effect on the early Porsches. It is fun initially, but is >eventually it becomes tiresome and much inferior to the infinately >variable and much more usable throttle control of the fuel injected >Suzuki. It is always there, available, raw power with no gimmicks. > >The seating position of the Max is much more conventional and upright with >the bars narrow and knees up high. The 'Busa is much more the lean forward >aggressive sporting position and about the same level of severity as the >VFR-800. Not as radical as a Ducati 996 but certainly not an ST1100 >either. I will fit GenMar risers to get a bit more upright and to relieve >the pressure on my wrists. I am approaching geezerhood afterall. > >Both bikes sound extremely good with the stock exhausts. The GSX-1300R has >more of a automotive sound however. I've replaced the stock cans with much >more attractive Yoshimura carbon fiber pipes that more closely match the >black and silver color scheme of my Hayabusa. The Yosh's easily pass the >sound test for legality while giving the bike's exhaust note a much >"huskier" character. > >The paint, welds, fit and finish on this machine are of the first quality. >This is the first Suzuki that I have ever owned and I am very much >impressed with the quality and workmanship. It is equal to any Honda that >I ever owned. > >There is some vibration transmitted through to the handlebars and this >would be annoying on a longer ride. But that is not the intended service >for this bike. At one time I looked at every bike with the narrow >qualifieres of how well it would perform in service as a long distance >tourer. I've come to the realization that if you want a great long >distance tourer, start with a long distance tourer to begin with rather >than kludge a bike into a service for it was never designed or intended. > >So this is a sportbike for sportbike style of riding. In other words, lots >of fun for a few hours. To have more of this fun, I've made some other >mods to the bike. I've added a RKA tankbag to add some minimal carrying >capactity. I removed the rubber inserts from the foot pegs which in effect >lowered the pegs 3/4 of an inch for knee relief (that geezer thing again). >I also had Jim of Narley cycles redo the seat foam to relieve the bunching >effect on "the boys". I now can ride for an hour without having my voice >raise an octave or two. > >I've not had the opportunity to touch the bikes' upper limits of >performance as I haven't been up to Central or Northern Nevada as yet. I >have had the joy of sampling the pure unadulterated thrill of passing a >trio of trundling RV's making their way through the twisty path to Overton >through the Lake Mead Recreation Area. The pass was executed with lightning >quickness and a big grin. > >And that tells the whole story of ownership of a motorcycle like this. > >Yes, it a great handling. >Yeah, it is powerful. >Yep, it is the fastest. >Sure, it is one slick looking machine. >But man oh man, is it FUN. > > >Cheers, >w > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- >Warren Harhay, SysAdmin: Access Nevada http://www.anv.net > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 28 12:43:36 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA21413 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A333A0800A0; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:43:31 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990728124026.00c36810@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:41:23 -0400 To: "matte@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: cb-750 list In-Reply-To: <01BED8E6.B5090EE0.matte@savvis.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:48 AM 7/28/99 , Matthew R. Elliott wrote: >I know there are other hawk riders on this list, does anyone have the >cb-750 address/subcription address and how to subscribe? > >Thanks - Matt >95 750 I know of a list (now on a web board) for the older CB750's (and 900's and 1100's) from the early 1980's, but not the new CB750's. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 28 13:00:09 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA21779 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:00:07 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA16920; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:00:41 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma015509; Wed, 28 Jul 99 12:59:08 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FFL00J5MBALTM@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567BC.005D26BA ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:57:27 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:57:09 -0400 Subject: Re: Paint Job To: x96matteson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567BC.005D279F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Call Coleman Powersports and ask them who they use. They referred me to a shop in Maryland (Takoma?). It seemed to be the only local moto-specific paint shop in the area. Mark To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: x96matteson@XXXXXX Date: 07/28/99 04:19:43 PM GMT Subject: Paint Job Hello fellow Dc-cyclers, I have a '95 YZK 600 that I want to get painted black. I also want to get my decals redone in silver to match the frame. Anyone know of a place in D.C. that does this, Does a good job, and does not cost a mint?? Thanks for any info. Ryan ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 28 13:11:19 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21914 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud77i (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA18093; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <028501bed91b$e4d325e0$7901a8c0@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt Senser" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: CBR 600F3 Balance Point is HIGH! Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:09:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 If you take 301/3 North it's not really super busy... I wasn't exclusively on 301, there are lots of "side roads" right off it. 301 is good for wheelies, because late at night it is apparently, devoid of cages and police, smooth, flat and straight. A good thing. Kirt 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va ----- Original Message ----- From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 12:24 PM Subject: Re: CBR 600F3 Balance Point is HIGH! > On Wed, 28 Jul 1999, Kirt Senser wrote: > > Yes... quite a few of them. MD Route 301 (also known as Rt. 3 at certain > > parts) is straight, decently wide, clean, and smooth. Also, after about 9 > > o'clock at night, almost entirely deserted. > > US301 is a 4-6 lane divided highway that goes all the way to Florida. If > that's a side road I'd hate to see what you call a main road. > > > Annandale, Va > > Hmmm, couldn't you do these tricks on a side road closer to home, say > I-95? > > Kirk > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 28 13:19:47 1999 Return-Path: schelzig@XXXXXX Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu (research.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.250]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22104 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09928; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:19:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Erik Schelzig To: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX cc: x96matteson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Paint Job In-Reply-To: <852567BC.005D279F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This month's Motorcycle Consumer News (MCN) says that regular non-MC specific body shops can paint your bike as well as anyone else, and probably cheaper, too. See if you can get your hands on the article if you're interested in painting the bike. Erik ==== Erik J. Schelzig http://gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~schelzig On Wed, 28 Jul 1999 mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: > Call Coleman Powersports and ask them who they use. They referred me to a > shop in Maryland (Takoma?). It seemed to be the only local moto-specific > paint shop in the area. > > Mark > > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > cc: > From: x96matteson@XXXXXX > Date: 07/28/99 04:19:43 PM GMT > Subject: Paint Job > > > > > Hello fellow Dc-cyclers, > > I have a '95 YZK 600 that I want to get painted black. I also want to get > my decals redone in silver to match the frame. Anyone know of a place in > D.C. that does this, Does a good job, and does not cost a mint?? Thanks > for any info. > > Ryan > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 28 13:25:11 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22215 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (216-164-241-191.s191.tnt10.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.241.191]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id NAA22850; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 99 13:23:10 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: Re: Paint Job To: x96matteson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii And look to Tapeworks(www.tapeworks.com) for the decals, they do good work. If you're getting the bike repainted, get the decals under the clearcoat. greg --- On Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:57:09 -0400 mark.kitchell@XXXXXX wrote: >Call Coleman Powersports and ask them who they use. They referred me to a >shop in Maryland (Takoma?). It seemed to be the only local moto-specific >paint shop in the area. > >Mark > > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >cc: >From: x96matteson@XXXXXX >Date: 07/28/99 04:19:43 PM GMT >Subject: Paint Job > > > > >Hello fellow Dc-cyclers, > >I have a '95 YZK 600 that I want to get painted black. I also want to get >my decals redone in silver to match the frame. Anyone know of a place in >D.C. that does this, Does a good job, and does not cost a mint?? Thanks >for any info. > >Ryan > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >computer. > > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/28/99 HSTA/AMA 1:23:10 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 28 13:39:15 1999 Return-Path: Todd.Rist@XXXXXX Received: from alcsnmx1.nextel.com (unknown-197-226.nextel.com [167.20.197.226]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22524 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlntgw01.nextel.com (ATLNTGW01.nextel.com [168.73.94.142]) by alcsnmx1.nextel.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA29910; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ATLNTGW01.nextel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:37:14 -0400 Message-ID: <375A82150521D311815B0008C791253E1CB244@nhqntex01.nextel.com> From: "Rist, Todd" To: x96matteson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Paint Job Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:36:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There is a motorcycle paint/body shop up by Rockville Harley Davidson in Gaithersburg. I don't remember the name but they are supposed to be pretty good. Thank you, Todd Rist Sr. Manager, BSM (703) 433-8604 NSC (703) 928-3564 PTN -----Original Message----- From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX [mailto:mark.kitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 12:57 PM To: x96matteson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Paint Job Call Coleman Powersports and ask them who they use. They referred me to a shop in Maryland (Takoma?). It seemed to be the only local moto-specific paint shop in the area. Mark To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: x96matteson@XXXXXX Date: 07/28/99 04:19:43 PM GMT Subject: Paint Job Hello fellow Dc-cyclers, I have a '95 YZK 600 that I want to get painted black. I also want to get my decals redone in silver to match the frame. Anyone know of a place in D.C. that does this, Does a good job, and does not cost a mint?? Thanks for any info. Ryan ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 28 13:47:52 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22747 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user29.anent.com [208.195.115.29]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA00174; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:44:05 -0400 Message-ID: <008c01bed921$5c7e93e0$1d73c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: Cc: "DC Cycles" References: <199907221013.AA2146173016@tidalwave.net> Subject: Cutting windscreen Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:48:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey Dale, didn't you recently cut down a windscreen. I've got one for my VFR800 that's way too tall. Any tips on the best way to cut it so it doesn't look hacked would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Bruce From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 28 14:17:34 1999 Return-Path: matte@XXXXXX Received: from mail.savvis.net (mail.savvis.net [209.83.194.44]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23317 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Nova2.sales.savvis.net (h230-89-217-199.sales.savvis.net [199.217.89.230]) by mail.savvis.net (8.8.8/Savvis_V0.4) with SMTP id NAA05608; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:17:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:13:18 -0400 Message-ID: <01BED903.576DDE60.matte@savvis.net> From: "Matthew R. Elliott" Reply-To: "matte@XXXXXX" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: cb-750 list Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:13:16 -0400 Organization: Savvis Communications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks - holy mailing lists! One could subscribe to all interests (vmax, hawk, etc, etc) and never get any work done. hmmm..... -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 11:07 AM To: matte@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: cb-750 list I can do you one better. http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/moto/mailing-lists.html Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew R. Elliott [mailto:matte@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 10:48 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: cb-750 list > > > I know there are other hawk riders on this list, does anyone have > the cb-750 address/subcription address and how to subscribe? > > Thanks - Matt > 95 750 > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 28 14:40:39 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA23726 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 28 Jul 1999 21:39:09 UT Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:39 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "matte@XXXXXX" , "todd.b.peer@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:RE: cb-750 list Message-ID: <19990728144030270-5369a3b@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Add AOL Instant Messenger to the mix... then you can really get a lot of work done. ;-) Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: RE: cb-750 list Author: matte@XXXXXX Date: 07/28/1999 2:13 PM Thanks - holy mailing lists! One could subscribe to all interests (vmax, hawk, etc, etc) and never get any work done. hmmm..... -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 11:07 AM To: matte@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: cb-750 list I can do you one better. http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/moto/mailing-lists.html Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew R. Elliott [mailto:matte@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 10:48 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: cb-750 list > > > I know there are other hawk riders on this list, does anyone have > the cb-750 address/subcription address and how to subscribe? > > Thanks - Matt > 95 750 > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 28 14:44:11 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23806 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:44:09 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 2VGYa22963 (4069) for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:42:58 EDT Subject: easy beginner routes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 anybody know some gentle back-street routes for me to take a friend on with his new (used) bike? starting just off 66 at the Sycamore street exit? he's thinking we could head toward Maclean which is fine with me but I don't really know my way around there... thanks. Marcy From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 28 15:28:41 1999 Return-Path: ph@XXXXXX Received: from pine.eainet.com (root@XXXXXX [206.136.246.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA24778 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:28:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak (ph@XXXXXX [206.136.246.2]) by pine.eainet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA14725; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:30:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:28:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: easy beginner routes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII One of my favorite roads inside the beltway is towards McLean -- Kirby Road. You'd probably do something like: N on Sycamore (becomes Williamsburg), go ~ 2 mi, Left onto Old Dominion, go ~ 1 mi, Right onto Kirby. Take it easy on Kirby -- there are some deceptive turns on that stretch of road. Old Dominion is pleasant in it's own right, if you keep going... And there are some nice restaurants in McLean. :) Kirby ends on Chain Bridge Road, right next to the entrance to the Geo. Wash. Parkway; turn right and exit onto it... Then you can ride the parkway all the way to Mt. Vernon if you want, or loop back lots of ways. -ph On Wed, 28 Jul 1999 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > anybody know some gentle back-street routes for me to take a friend on with > his new (used) bike? starting just off 66 at the Sycamore street exit? he's > thinking we could head toward Maclean which is fine with me but I don't > really know my way around there... > > thanks. > > Marcy > --- Peter Hartzler Ellsworth Associates, Inc. ph@XXXXXX (703) 821-3090 x 252 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 28 15:37:56 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA24967 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:33:37 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:33:37 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-0); Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:33:37 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: CBR 600F3 Balance Point is HIGH! Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:46:33 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Had to pull the bike over, get off, and smoke a cigarette to calm down. Meanwhile asking the bike "Was it good for you, too?" ;-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 28 15:46:45 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25184 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud77i (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA19020; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001101bed931$6e7e52f0$7901a8c0@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt Senser" To: "Jordan, Michael" , References: Subject: Re: CBR 600F3 Balance Point is HIGH! Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:43:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 exactly... hahaha. Kirt 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va ----- Original Message ----- From: Jordan, Michael To: Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 1:46 PM Subject: RE: CBR 600F3 Balance Point is HIGH! > >Had to pull the bike over, get off, and smoke a cigarette to calm down. > > Meanwhile asking the bike "Was it good for you, too?" ;-) > > Michael J. > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 28 19:37:15 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA29374 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 19:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 19:38:31 -0400 Message-Id: <199907281938.AA20840754@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "Bruce Norton" CC: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Cutting windscreen X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Bruce Norton" Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:48:09 -0400 > Hey Dale, didn't you recently cut down a windscreen. I've got one for > my VFR800 that's way too tall. Any tips on the best way to cut it so > it doesn't look hacked would be greatly appreciated. I've found that prayer is a wonderful thing, it works much better beforehand than the inevitable cussing afterwards if you screw up. :) Seriously, the possibility exists that you could totally trash the shield, especially if it tends toward the brittle end of plastic things. You've got to be willing to trash one to do this, because that possibility always exists. Here's what I've found out the hard way: 1) It's better to take off too little than too much. If you trim it down, and it's still too tall, just repeat. If you trim off too much, you are stuck with a dorky looking shield that probably perfectly deflects turbulent air right at your helmet. Aerodynamics are an amazing thing sometimes. 2) Forget about using a Dremel tool to actually cut (although it is useful for drilling new mounting holes. Those little cutting disks have an amazing propensity to snap off in mid cut. You don't want to be near a little midget supersonic frisbee buzzsaw when it decides it's time to take flight. 3) Get a hacksaw/jigsaw and a blade with the finest pitch (most teeth per inch) you can find. 4) Safety glasses (or a pair of eyeglasses you are not particulary fond of) are a must. Molten plastic sometimes gets painful if it lands in the wrong spot. 5) It's probably obvious to everyone here, but trimming your shield without first removing it from the bike is the most efficient way to scatter billions of little plastic particles all over the inside of your fairing and the bike's nether regions. I only made that mistake once. :) 6) C-clamps (with tape wrapped around the ends so as to not mar the shield) do an excellent job of holding your shield steady on the table as you cut, provided that there isn't too much curvature involved. 7) A large piece of cardboard or something between your shield and the tabletop seems to help prevent scuffing. 8) It's much easier cutting along a line than it is freehanding a jigsaw. Lopsided shields are not cool, and don't do much to enhance your bike as a chick-magnet. Measure and draw your lines carefully. 9) Go slow, let the saw do the work. All cuts can be smoothed out later with a file/sanding block. 10) Stealth edging can cover up all but the worst mistakes. :) Good luck! Let me know how it turns out, Bruce. Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 28 20:42:23 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.233]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA00516 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 20:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990729004200.1577.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web302.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:42:00 PDT Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:42:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: CBR 600F3 Balance Point is To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kirt... there's an easy solution to that sore wrist you're getting from turning the F4's throttle.......get a Suzuki!!! lol they come stock with a quarter twist throttle.. :) I'm just joshin.. the F4's are nice, but like any other Honda, they are very nice and well made, but lack any real character of their own (customs like Brian's menagery excluded of course.... if that poor bike could talk...the painful stories it would tell ;-)) Hey ya'll DCC types... I'm back...well.. at least in D-mode... I'll be back in town this weekend for the WERA national hoping to keep my podium streak alive. One race on Saturday after the four hour, and 2 races on Sunday. Hope to see a LOT of you out there.... Collin === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 28 22:25:25 1999 Return-Path: ph@XXXXXX Received: from pine.eainet.com (root@XXXXXX [206.136.246.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA02045 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 22:25:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak (ph@XXXXXX [206.136.246.2]) by pine.eainet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA16660; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 22:27:12 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 22:25:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: Horkster cc: Bruce Norton , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Cutting windscreen In-Reply-To: <199907281938.AA20840754@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I bet a high speed router with a plunge bit would work pretty well... > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Bruce Norton" > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:48:09 -0400 > > > Hey Dale, didn't you recently cut down a windscreen. I've got one for > > my VFR800 that's way too tall. Any tips on the best way to cut it so > > it doesn't look hacked would be greatly appreciated. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 28 23:33:08 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA03574 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 23:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user187.anent.com [208.195.115.187]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id XAA01534; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 23:29:19 -0400 Message-ID: <00fd01bed973$1e505480$bb73c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: Cc: "DC Cycles" References: <199907281938.AA20840754@tidalwave.net> Subject: Re: Cutting windscreen Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 23:25:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > I've found that prayer is a wonderful thing, it works much better > beforehand than the inevitable cussing afterwards if you screw up. :) big snip > Good luck! Let me know how it turns out, Bruce. > > Dale Woohoo! I'm ready to make a mess now!! Thanks Dale! If it turns out nice I'll send pics. Heck, if it turns out hideous I'll send pics too! Bruce From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 29 02:33:18 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1204.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.140]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA07597 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 02:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990729063229.28824.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.69] by web1204.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 23:32:29 PDT Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 23:32:29 -0700 (PDT) From: ImTheMan ITM Subject: Re: Paint Job To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A friend of mine got his bike painted, i'll try to find out what I can when I see him. --- x96matteson@XXXXXX wrote: > Hello fellow Dc-cyclers, > > I have a '95 YZK 600 that I want to get painted > black. I also want to get > my decals redone in silver to match the frame. > Anyone know of a place in > D.C. that does this, Does a good job, and does not > cost a mint?? Thanks > for any info. > > Ryan > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 29 02:43:59 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1201.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.137]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA07760 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 02:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990729064038.15694.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.69] by web1201.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 23:40:38 PDT Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 23:40:38 -0700 (PDT) From: ImTheMan ITM Subject: Re: Cutting windscreen To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Go to a hardware store and tell them what you're trying to do. I'm sure they'll atleast tell you the best tools. I hope you have 2? Maybe consider just buying an aftermarket screen? Or maybe take it to a machine shop? --- Bruce Norton wrote: > > I've found that prayer is a wonderful thing, it > works much better > > beforehand than the inevitable cussing afterwards > if you screw up. :) > > big snip > > > Good luck! Let me know how it turns out, Bruce. > > > > Dale > > Woohoo! I'm ready to make a mess now!! > > Thanks Dale! If it turns out nice I'll send pics. > Heck, if it turns out hideous > I'll send pics too! > > Bruce > > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 29 06:15:42 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA11684 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 06:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA29094 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 06:15:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix-eth.cit.nih.gov [128.231.2.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA07280 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 06:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112138036.cit.nih.gov [165.112.138.36]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA00580 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 06:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37A029BD.DC584CA2@radix.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 06:15:25 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Celebrity commuters Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Last night on the way home, Riddick Bowe gave me an approving nod as he headed to his Fort Washington home. He was in his convertible Bentley... Nice cage. It was on 210 south in Fort Washington. 1st real celebrity I've noticed while commuting or traveling... -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Analyst Soza & Company, Ltd. IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator ATG Group Webmaster (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 29 08:26:12 1999 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from mailgw2a.lmco.com (mailgw2a.lmco.com [192.91.147.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA14061 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss03g01.ems.lmco.com (emss03g01.ems.lmco.com [141.240.4.144]) by mailgw2a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA23136; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38888) id <0FFM00601T5Q5K@XXXXXX>; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss09m01.ems.lmco.com ([158.183.24.5]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38888) with ESMTP id <0FFM0032NT5OSP@XXXXXX>; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emss09m01.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2580.0) id ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:28:12 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:24:19 -0400 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: Cutting windscreen To: "'horkster@XXXXXX'" , Bruce Norton Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A01656157@EMSS09M05> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2580.0) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Another note from the wife - maybe you shouldn't cut this windsheild at all but go to where Dale goes to get his plexiglass and start with a piece of it. If you break this sheild, you won't have a template in order to make a new one. Dale, tell him where you go to get your plexiglass. > -----Original Message----- > From: Horkster [SMTP:horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 7:39 PM > To: Bruce Norton > Cc: DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Cutting windscreen > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Bruce Norton" > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:48:09 -0400 > > > Hey Dale, didn't you recently cut down a windscreen. I've got one for > > my VFR800 that's way too tall. Any tips on the best way to cut it so > > it doesn't look hacked would be greatly appreciated. > > I've found that prayer is a wonderful thing, it works much better > beforehand than the inevitable cussing afterwards if you screw up. :) > > Seriously, the possibility exists that you could totally trash the > shield, especially if it tends toward the brittle end of plastic > things. You've got to be willing to trash one to do this, because > that possibility always exists. > > Here's what I've found out the hard way: > > 1) It's better to take off too little than too much. If you trim > it down, and it's still too tall, just repeat. If you trim off too > much, you are stuck with a dorky looking shield that probably > perfectly deflects turbulent air right at your helmet. Aerodynamics > are an amazing thing sometimes. > 2) Forget about using a Dremel tool to actually cut (although it > is useful for drilling new mounting holes. Those little cutting disks > have an amazing propensity to snap off in mid cut. You don't want > to be near a little midget supersonic frisbee buzzsaw when it decides > it's time to take flight. > 3) Get a hacksaw/jigsaw and a blade with the finest pitch (most > teeth per inch) you can find. > 4) Safety glasses (or a pair of eyeglasses you are not particulary > fond of) are a must. Molten plastic sometimes gets painful if it > lands in the wrong spot. > 5) It's probably obvious to everyone here, but trimming your shield > without first removing it from the bike is the most efficient way to > scatter billions of little plastic particles all over the inside of > your fairing and the bike's nether regions. I only made that mistake > once. :) > 6) C-clamps (with tape wrapped around the ends so as to not mar > the shield) do an excellent job of holding your shield steady on the > table as you cut, provided that there isn't too much curvature involved. > 7) A large piece of cardboard or something between your shield and > the tabletop seems to help prevent scuffing. > 8) It's much easier cutting along a line than it is freehanding a > jigsaw. Lopsided shields are not cool, and don't do much to enhance > your bike as a chick-magnet. Measure and draw your lines carefully. > 9) Go slow, let the saw do the work. All cuts can be smoothed out > later with a file/sanding block. > 10) Stealth edging can cover up all but the worst mistakes. :) > > Good luck! Let me know how it turns out, Bruce. > > Dale > > > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR > 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) > > "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet > sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." > - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" > -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 29 09:04:07 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f81.hotmail.com [209.185.131.144]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA14683 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 72437 invoked by uid 0); 29 Jul 1999 13:03:32 -0000 Message-ID: <19990729130332.72436.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.229.31.23 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 06:03:31 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.229.31.23] Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX From: "Leon Begeman" To: horkster@XXXXXX, bnorton@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cutting windscreen Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 06:03:31 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed What Dale said, he's the expert in this area. One of the ways I found to get the edge the right shape is to copy the old one. Tape a piece of cardboard (empty beer cases work great) to the windshield and trace the existing top edge of the shield onto the cardboard. Cut the cardboard along the line. Move the cardboard down insuring that it's still squarely aligned. Now copy the traced line to the windshield. Flip the cardboard over, tape it down again and check your work to make sure you didn't get it lopsided. Leon > > > Hey Dale, didn't you recently cut down a windscreen. I've got one for > > my VFR800 that's way too tall. Any tips on the best way to cut it so > > it doesn't look hacked would be greatly appreciated. > >I've found that prayer is a wonderful thing, it works much better >beforehand than the inevitable cussing afterwards if you screw up. :) > >Seriously, the possibility exists that you could totally trash the >shield, especially if it tends toward the brittle end of plastic >things. You've got to be willing to trash one to do this, because >that possibility always exists. > >Here's what I've found out the hard way: > >1) It's better to take off too little than too much. If you trim >it down, and it's still too tall, just repeat. If you trim off too >much, you are stuck with a dorky looking shield that probably >perfectly deflects turbulent air right at your helmet. Aerodynamics >are an amazing thing sometimes. >2) Forget about using a Dremel tool to actually cut (although it >is useful for drilling new mounting holes. Those little cutting disks >have an amazing propensity to snap off in mid cut. You don't want >to be near a little midget supersonic frisbee buzzsaw when it decides >it's time to take flight. >3) Get a hacksaw/jigsaw and a blade with the finest pitch (most >teeth per inch) you can find. >4) Safety glasses (or a pair of eyeglasses you are not particulary >fond of) are a must. Molten plastic sometimes gets painful if it >lands in the wrong spot. >5) It's probably obvious to everyone here, but trimming your shield >without first removing it from the bike is the most efficient way to >scatter billions of little plastic particles all over the inside of >your fairing and the bike's nether regions. I only made that mistake >once. :) >6) C-clamps (with tape wrapped around the ends so as to not mar >the shield) do an excellent job of holding your shield steady on the >table as you cut, provided that there isn't too much curvature involved. >7) A large piece of cardboard or something between your shield and >the tabletop seems to help prevent scuffing. >8) It's much easier cutting along a line than it is freehanding a >jigsaw. Lopsided shields are not cool, and don't do much to enhance >your bike as a chick-magnet. Measure and draw your lines carefully. >9) Go slow, let the saw do the work. All cuts can be smoothed out >later with a file/sanding block. >10) Stealth edging can cover up all but the worst mistakes. :) > >Good luck! Let me know how it turns out, Bruce. > >Dale > > >-- >Dale Horstman (The Horkster) >horkster@XXXXXX >Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > >1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR >1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) > >"I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet >sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." > - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" >-- > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 29 09:33:22 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA15155 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user56.anent.com [208.195.115.56]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA03343 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:29:04 -0400 Message-ID: <016801bed9c6$e7dc9ea0$3873c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: References: <19990729130332.72436.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Cutting windscreen Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:33:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > What Dale said, he's the expert in this area. > > One of the ways I found to get the edge the right shape is to copy the old > one. Tape a piece of cardboard (empty beer cases work great) to the > windshield and trace the existing top edge of the shield onto the cardboard. > Cut the cardboard along the line. Move the cardboard down insuring that > it's still squarely aligned. Now copy the traced line to the windshield. > Flip the cardboard over, tape it down again and check your work to make sure > you didn't get it lopsided. > > Leon Now that's a great idea! Will do! From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 29 09:33:57 1999 Return-Path: RWestbrook@XXXXXX Received: from ns.rtcdirect.com ([208.138.238.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA15165 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grover.rtcdirect.com ([192.168.16.9]) by ns.rtcdirect.com (2.0 Build 2119 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA05150; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:48:48 -0400 Received: by GROVER with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:28:57 -0400 Message-ID: <71D739DB74A8D111BB1800805FA9C495D31A38@GROVER> From: "Westbrook, Richard" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'x96matteson@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Paint Job Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:28:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I got my VFR painted last September at a place in Fairfax called Oscar's Body shop. Their quality is pretty good. There are a couple spots that the paint is somewhat light but its something only an owner would notice. But they're very cheap. I had to take all the plastic off the bike and they painted the pieces. I then put it back together and they sanded and polished the bike. They did it all for $225. The reason I really like these guys is that I never got a can off touch up paint at the time, but I just went back almost 10 months later and they gave me a half quart of paint for free. They still remembered the bike. Rich > ---------- > From: x96matteson@XXXXXX > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 12:19 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Paint Job > > Hello fellow Dc-cyclers, > > I have a '95 YZK 600 that I want to get painted black. I also want to get > my decals redone in silver to match the frame. Anyone know of a place in > D.C. that does this, Does a good job, and does not cost a mint?? Thanks > for any info. > > Ryan > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 29 09:45:53 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA15449 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id AB0D129200AA; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:45:49 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990729090955.00c57b30@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:11:17 -0400 To: "DC Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Cutting windscreen In-Reply-To: <199907281938.AA20840754@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Hey Dale, didn't you recently cut down a windscreen. I've got one for > > my VFR800 that's way too tall. Any tips on the best way to cut it so > > it doesn't look hacked would be greatly appreciated. > >Here's what I've found out the hard way: (snipped Dale's excellent comments) I'd just like to add to keep the cutting speed of the jigsaw low - if you go fast you'll melt the plastic and get a poor cut. To echo Dale -- go slow, let the saw do the work. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 29 10:10:45 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA15936 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:10:43 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA06424; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:11:01 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma003036; Thu, 29 Jul 99 10:08:01 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FFM0002NY1GLA@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567BD.004D7D2B ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:06:22 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:05:34 -0400 Subject: Character (was Re: Balance Point) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567BD.004D7EAE.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Pardon me, Collin. I take exception to that! My VTR has character to spare, and I'd wager Kirk's has even more. Of course, I did have to drill out the rear baffle in the pipes to release it... That is unless by "character", you mean "problems" like those that TL1000s is blessed with. I recently heard (from the owner) about a TL that had broken its swingarm going over a pothole, of all things! Now THAT's what I call character! ;^) Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 Collin wrote: I'm just joshin.. the F4's are nice, but like any other Honda, they are very nice and well made, but lack any real character of their own (customs like Brian's menagery excluded of course.... if that poor bike could talk...the painful stories it would tell ;-)) ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 29 10:11:13 1999 Return-Path: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA15945 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:11:12 -0400 (EDT) From: mark.kitchell@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA06485; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:10:38 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma002692; Thu, 29 Jul 99 10:07:48 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FFM0002EXZVJU@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567BD.004D650D ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:05:21 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:04:51 -0400 Subject: Races this weekend To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567BD.004D63BF.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Hello all. Newbie here again. What is the collective plan for the races on Saturday. I was hoping to make it up there by 10AM on Saturday. I would like to help the team out if my limited skills are of use. Please let me know. It will be my first experience 'inside' a race team. I have only been there once, for a CCS event. Is WERA much different? Is it possible to park my VFR somewhere near the team paddock? If not, can I at least stash a little gear (helmets, leathers, etc) in a safe place? Thanks and looking forward to it. Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 29 10:11:58 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA15956 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:13:51 -0400 Message-Id: <199907291013.AA77529420@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: CC: Subject: RE: Cutting windscreen X-Mailer: The wife wrote: >maybe you shouldn't cut this windsheild at all but go to where Dale >goes to get his plexiglass and start with a piece of it. If you break >this sheild, you won't have a template in order to make a new one. >Dale, tell him where you go to get your plexiglass. Well, I was saving this information for the Advanced Class. :) The reason I didn't suggest it is a lot of bike windshields I've seen have weird complex curves in them, it's hard to duplicate that with a flat piece of polycarbonate stock. I've got a Rifle base on my bike (which actually is performing really well as a Summer Shield with the top clear plastic removed {actually traded away to Leon}) - the compound curves are part of the base, while the top part is a simple curve that can be achieved by just bending the flat stuff around and bolting it down. Supposedly it helps to go over it lightly with a torch/heat gun to mold the plastic to this new shape and take the stress out of it, I never got around to it. :) I've also experimented with tossing the piece in the oven on low temp until it softens, and tried molding that to the old shield's shape, with mixed results. It doesn't work with larger shields (like on the Connie) and it's just generally a pain in the butt. Anyway, a great place to get good plastic stock to work with is Acme Plastics (really!), in Springfield, just off of 395. I've got a business card somewhere with their address/phone number if anyone needs help hunting them up. They sell odd sizes of plastic as scrap (good prices, generally big enough for what we need)- they've got a brand of tough polycarbonate that just kicks butt as a moto windshield. Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 29 10:16:51 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16120 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:16:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:18:43 -0400 Message-Id: <199907291018.AA101056746@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: CC: Subject: Re: Cutting windscreen X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Leon Begeman" > Tape a piece of cardboard (empty beer cases work great) to the >windshield and trace the existing top edge of the shield onto the >cardboard. Oh yeah, baby! Now we're combining three of my favorite hobbies, drinking beer, modifying the bike, and playing with power tools! :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 29 10:20:06 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16234 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:20:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A2FF13E00146; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:19:43 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990729101912.00c4e140@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:20:46 -0400 To: , From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Cutting windscreen In-Reply-To: <199907291013.AA77529420@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:13 AM 7/29/99 , Horkster wrote: >Anyway, a great place to get good plastic stock to work with is >Acme Plastics (really!), in Springfield, just off of 395. I've >got a business card somewhere with their address/phone number if >anyone needs help hunting them up. They sell odd sizes of plastic >as scrap (good prices, generally big enough for what we need)- they've >got a brand of tough polycarbonate that just kicks butt as a moto >windshield. Oh, yea? Well I have it on good authority that if you go riding and tangle with any roadrunners with nothing but an Acme Plastics windshield, you're gonna get YOUR butt kicked! :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 29 10:23:13 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16264 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 95 (207-172-109-228.s37.as4.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.228]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id KAA00192 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003e01bed9ce$0e508180$e46daccf@95> From: "D. Thompson" To: References: <852567BD.004D7EAE.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Subject: Re: Character (was Re: Balance Point) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:24:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Hey Collin, let's define character....? Uhm... reliable, dependable, low maintenance cost, beyond the capabilities of 95% of people to push more than they can handle, affordable, cool, sexy, fast, torquey, uhm....I just can't think today? :) Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 snip.... >, but lack any real character of their own.... snip. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 29 10:25:18 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16297 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:25:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 95 (207-172-109-228.s37.as4.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.228]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id KAA02250 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004a01bed9ce$59277100$e46daccf@95> From: "D. Thompson" To: References: <852567BD.004D7EAE.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Subject: Re: Character (was Re: Balance Point) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:26:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Oh yeh, how many of you have ridden an F4? Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 29, 1999 10:05 AM Subject: Character (was Re: Balance Point) > Pardon me, Collin. I take exception to that! > > My VTR has character to spare, and I'd wager Kirk's has even more. Of > course, I did have to drill out the rear baffle in the pipes to release > it... That is unless by "character", you mean "problems" like those that > TL1000s is blessed with. I recently heard (from the owner) about a TL that > had broken its swingarm going over a pothole, of all things! Now THAT's > what I call character! ;^) > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > > Collin wrote: > I'm just joshin.. the F4's are nice, but like any other Honda, they are > very nice and well made, but lack any real character of their own > (customs like Brian's menagery excluded of course.... if that poor bike > could talk...the painful stories it would tell ;-)) > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 29 10:48:44 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16859 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 07:48:25 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Races this weekend Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 07:44:43 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) There's no appearance differences to the spectator between CCS and WERA... all the difference is to the racers/officials. You're more than welcome to park your VFR near our pits - though space may be limited due to the fact that this is a National event - irregardless, I don't know anyone that'll be driving, that WON'T let you stow your gear in a locked vehicle (worst case, it'll sit in an enclosed trailer right next to the pit - and people will keep an eye on it). Though, you mostly don't need to worry as much about theft while at the track - it seems to bring out humane people who won't do things like theft.... Anyway... DC-Cycles Racing is working hard to get our 'normal' pit spot. To find us, as you come in the gate, take the first left and follow the paved road, up over a bridge, and down towards the pits. Take the first Paved right and follow that towards the buildings. Take the last left before you get to the buildings (and the road turns to dirt), and we should be right there, on the left hand side. We're looking at having some insane ammount of canopy coverage (20'x30' or something like that) - there'll be a 15' long black banner with red 'DC-Cycles Racing' written on it.. probably a 'Moto Europa' banner, an 'Elf' banner and maybe a couple other smaller ones... I'm almost positive that on Saturday morning, we're going to be running from that pit to wherever we're assigned on Hot Pit for the endurance race... but Friday, Saturday after 4pm, and Sunday that'll be the place to find us.... Hope everyone comes up and enjoys our first Endurance race effort (even if Collin, the bum, isn't racing it). Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 29 10:52:54 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16937 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellut6g2 (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13] (may be forged)) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA29407; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004901bed9d1$37037bc0$5401a8c0@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt" To: , , "Chris Norloff" References: <4.2.0.58.19990729101912.00c4e140@mail.toward.com> Subject: Re: Cutting windscreen Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:47:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 haha...stole the words right out of my mouth... As soon as I saw acme plastics, I started humming that little song they'd always play in the background of looney toons Kirt 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Norloff To: ; Sent: Thursday, July 29, 1999 10:20 AM Subject: RE: Cutting windscreen > At 10:13 AM 7/29/99 , Horkster wrote: > >Anyway, a great place to get good plastic stock to work with is > >Acme Plastics (really!), in Springfield, just off of 395. I've > >got a business card somewhere with their address/phone number if > >anyone needs help hunting them up. They sell odd sizes of plastic > >as scrap (good prices, generally big enough for what we need)- they've > >got a brand of tough polycarbonate that just kicks butt as a moto > >windshield. > > > Oh, yea? Well I have it on good authority that if you go riding and tangle > with any roadrunners with nothing but an Acme Plastics windshield, you're > gonna get YOUR butt kicked! > > :-) > Chris Norloff > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 29 11:11:46 1999 Return-Path: pgerhardt@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f330.hotmail.com [207.82.250.109]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA17252 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 39271 invoked by uid 0); 29 Jul 1999 15:11:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19990729151131.39270.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.76.254.211 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:11:30 PDT X-Originating-IP: [198.76.254.211] From: "Paul Gerhardt" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DCSportBikeRiders Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:11:30 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed "From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 16:30:01 +0000 Subject: Re: Dc Sportbike Riders Club... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-priority: Normal http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcsportbikeriders enjoy..... Jon ICQ# 11193913 Hello 88' HawkGT - blue Goodbye 92' FZR600 - yellow http://come.to/fzrmofo" Hey Jon, Thanks for the DCSportRiders Page. Lots of good info from this group HE HE!!! Looking forward to seeing you on your Hawk GT Paul Gerhardt pgerhardt@XXXXXX Centreville, MD 86 Concours 96 FZR600 COG 1594 AMA _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 29 11:20:12 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA17506 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:20:07 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Character (was Re: Balance Point) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:20:01 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > -----Original Message----- > Hey Collin, let's define character....? Uhm... reliable, > dependable, low > maintenance cost, beyond the capabilities of 95% of people to > push more than > they can handle, affordable, cool, sexy, fast, torquey, > uhm....I just can't ^^^^^^^^^^^ > think today? :) > Are you sure 'cool' and 'sexy' can be applied to a honda? The rest you mention is all true (being a Honda lover) - but, every new honda I've ridden has been so utterly bland with it's lack of feeling, flavor and taste - that I eagerly look forward to riding my own machine again. Noone seems to make interesting, and fun, mods to Hondas... Sure, the 900rr has a 945 kit - I've only heard of a handfull of those though. Sorry, pipes, bags, jet-kits, chains, sprockets, throttlemeisters, and touring accesories don't get me excited about a Honda... Give me something that's easy to bore over 2mm (Suzuki), or has some quirks that I, as a rider, get to deal with... add some flavor to the riding.... I guess I like living on the edge to much.... But, Collin's going to have to pay for his comment on my bike having painfull stories - I've never abused it (ok, I guess riding her home in 2~3" of snow wasn't all the nice - then dropping her in the driveway because I couldn't get stopped coming down the hill kinda sucked.. but she left me stranded once when the stator failed!) Brian (VFR with CHARACTER! I.E. the pipe is worth more than the bike.. lol) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 29 11:26:26 1999 Return-Path: brad.faas@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA17527 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id LAA21849 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id LAA21830 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:26:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id LAA09654 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ncaimail1.bcbsnca.com (ncaimail1.bcbsnca.com [192.168.79.211]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id LAA09645 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199907291534.LAA09645@nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com> Priority: urgent Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:23:00 -0400 From: "FAAS, BRAD" Subject: RE: Character (was Re: Balance Point) To: "D. Thompson" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME One here. It has charater -- one flaw of which is being buzzy to the point my hands go numb...despite what the magazines said about the buzz being gone on the F4. Brad CBR600 F4 (9.5k and counting, look out Linda) -----Original Message----- From: D. Thompson [mailto:dthompso1@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 29, 1999 10:26 AM To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Character (was Re: Balance Point) ---------------------------------------------------- Oh yeh, how many of you have ridden an F4? Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 29, 1999 10:05 AM Subject: Character (was Re: Balance Point) > Pardon me, Collin. I take exception to that! > > My VTR has character to spare, and I'd wager Kirk's has even more. Of > course, I did have to drill out the rear baffle in the pipes to release > it... That is unless by "character", you mean "problems" like those that > TL1000s is blessed with. I recently heard (from the owner) about a TL that > had broken its swingarm going over a pothole, of all things! Now THAT's > what I call character! ;^) > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > > Collin wrote: > I'm just joshin.. the F4's are nice, but like any other Honda, they are > very nice and well made, but lack any real character of their own > (customs like Brian's menagery excluded of course.... if that poor bike > could talk...the painful stories it would tell ;-)) > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 29 11:29:41 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA17610 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA00928 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:29:28 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA12328 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA25360; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:29:54 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma021591; Thu, 29 Jul 99 11:26:52 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FFN00F7D1NHBR@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:29:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567BD.00549FC1 ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:24:19 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:23:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Celebrity commuters To: Dave Yates Cc: DC-Cycles Message-id: <852567BD.00549370.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Hmmm. I thought he was in jail? --chris To: DC-Cycles cc: From: Dave Yates Date: 07/29/99 10:15:25 AM GMT Subject: Celebrity commuters Last night on the way home, Riddick Bowe gave me an approving nod as he headed to his Fort Washington home. He was in his convertible Bentley... Nice cage. It was on 210 south in Fort Washington. 1st real celebrity I've noticed while commuting or traveling... -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Analyst Soza & Company, Ltd. IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator ATG Group Webmaster (301) 496-3760 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 29 11:40:55 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA17802 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellut6g2 (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13] (may be forged)) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA19461; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007901bed9d7$b8fc96b0$5401a8c0@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt" To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" References: Subject: Re: Character (was Re: Balance Point) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:32:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 You rode it in the snow? How fast were you going? Have any other listers taken their bikes out in the snow? Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 To: 'dc' Sent: Thursday, July 29, 1999 11:20 AM Subject: RE: Character (was Re: Balance Point) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Hey Collin, let's define character....? Uhm... reliable, > > dependable, low > > maintenance cost, beyond the capabilities of 95% of people to > > push more than > > they can handle, affordable, cool, sexy, fast, torquey, > > uhm....I just can't ^^^^^^^^^^^ > > think today? :) > > > > Are you sure 'cool' and 'sexy' can be applied to a honda? The rest you > mention is all true (being a Honda lover) - but, every new honda I've ridden > has been so utterly bland with it's lack of feeling, flavor and taste - that > I eagerly look forward to riding my own machine again. Noone seems to make > interesting, and fun, mods to Hondas... Sure, the 900rr has a 945 kit - I've > only heard of a handfull of those though. Sorry, pipes, bags, jet-kits, > chains, sprockets, throttlemeisters, and touring accesories don't get me > excited about a Honda... Give me something that's easy to bore over 2mm > (Suzuki), or has some quirks that I, as a rider, get to deal with... add > some flavor to the riding.... I guess I like living on the edge to much.... > > But, Collin's going to have to pay for his comment on my bike having > painfull stories - I've never abused it (ok, I guess riding her home in 2~3" > of snow wasn't all the nice - then dropping her in the driveway because I > couldn't get stopped coming down the hill kinda sucked.. but she left me > stranded once when the stator failed!) > > Brian (VFR with CHARACTER! I.E. the pipe is worth more than the bike.. lol) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 29 11:43:00 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA17907 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id LAA14674 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:42:50 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:42:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Races this weekend In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yeah... what Brian sez! Anyway - if you need to stow gear, that's no prob at all. I'll have my truck and trailer available for people to put stuff in. - Brian On Thu, 29 Jul 1999, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > You're more than welcome to park your VFR near our pits - though space may > be limited due to the fact that this is a National event - irregardless, I > don't know anyone that'll be driving, that WON'T let you stow your gear in a > locked vehicle (worst case, it'll sit in an enclosed trailer right next to > the pit - and people will keep an eye on it). Though, you mostly don't need > to worry as much about theft while at the track - it seems to bring out > humane people who won't do things like theft.... From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 29 11:45:36 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA17993 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:45:34 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA18117; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:46:15 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma014263; Thu, 29 Jul 99 11:43:25 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FFN00HDY2GCY5@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567BD.005636CE ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:41:41 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:41:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Character (was Re: Balance Point) To: "D. Thompson" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567BD.0056390E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Please get back to motorcycles ... we all know Honda accords are reliable cars with little character. :-) --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: "D. Thompson" Date: 07/29/99 02:24:22 PM GMT Subject: Re: Character (was Re: Balance Point) Hey Collin, let's define character....? Uhm... reliable, dependable, low maintenance cost, beyond the capabilities of 95% of people to push more than they can handle, affordable, cool, sexy, fast, torquey, uhm....I just can't think today? :) Danny '99 VFR ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 29 11:48:11 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18004 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:48:04 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Character (was Re: Balance Point) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:47:55 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) LOL... Yea, I've ridden my bike in almost any weather situation you can imagine.. sunny, rain, sleet/hail, snow, freezing ice, winds gusting to 60mph (from the side no less!).. you name it, I've been through it - maybe not happily, but I've done so. Let's see.. 2 years ago when it was snowing, I was riding normally (but it wasn't sticking to the ground) this past spring with the 2~3" accumilation, I did the longest rolling burnout (according to a fellow lister who was following me) at probably 5~10 MPH... when I wasn't going uphill on ice covered snow, I'd usually cruse at 25 or so... pushed that front end EVERYWHERE... oh-well, It's a Honda.. it can run in situations other than Fair Weather. I think the most fun I had was with the XT 250 durring all the freezing rain we had.. I was riding through peoples yards (more traxion on ice-covered grass than ice-covered asphault), sliding it sideways down main streets, and doing mile long rolling burnouts (well, if the rear wheel is spinning, and it's not smoking, is it still a burnout?) LOL.... what not owning a car will do to a person.. :P (the car thing is by choice - who wants to own/drive one of those Things anyway?) Brian > -----Original Message----- > You rode it in the snow? How fast were you going? Have any > other listers > taken their bikes out in the snow? From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 29 13:11:35 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA19646 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 13:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:11:28 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Cutting windscreen Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:11:16 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) NO WONDER your bikes look soooo... ummm... er, Unique! (heaven forbid if they start drinking hard liquor and working on their bikes with power tools.. YIKES) > -----Original Message----- > From: Horkster [mailto:horkster@XXXXXX] > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Leon Begeman" > > > Tape a piece of cardboard (empty beer cases work great) to the > >windshield and trace the existing top edge of the shield onto the > >cardboard. > > > Oh yeah, baby! Now we're combining three of my favorite hobbies, > drinking beer, modifying the bike, and playing with power tools! :) > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 29 13:38:16 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f289.hotmail.com [209.185.130.228]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA20328 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 13:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 35030 invoked by uid 0); 29 Jul 1999 17:37:41 -0000 Message-ID: <19990729173741.35029.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.229.31.22 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:37:40 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.229.31.22] Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX From: "Leon Begeman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Character (was Re: Balance Point) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:37:40 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Kirt asked: >You rode it in the snow? Yes. >How fast were you going? Let's not start that thread again. >Have any other listers >taken their bikes out in the snow? Of course, doesn't everyone? Must be a new guy on the list. :-) Leon. - It was cold this morning, had to wear the warm aerostich and close the vents. I sure hope summer isn't over already. >From: "Kirt" >To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , >"'dc'" >Subject: Re: Character (was Re: Balance Point) >Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:32:24 -0400 > > >Kirt > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 >To: 'dc' >Sent: Thursday, July 29, 1999 11:20 AM >Subject: RE: Character (was Re: Balance Point) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Hey Collin, let's define character....? Uhm... reliable, > > > dependable, low > > > maintenance cost, beyond the capabilities of 95% of people to > > > push more than > > > they can handle, affordable, cool, sexy, fast, torquey, > > > uhm....I just can't ^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > think today? :) > > > > > > > Are you sure 'cool' and 'sexy' can be applied to a honda? The rest you > > mention is all true (being a Honda lover) - but, every new honda I've >ridden > > has been so utterly bland with it's lack of feeling, flavor and taste - >that > > I eagerly look forward to riding my own machine again. Noone seems to >make > > interesting, and fun, mods to Hondas... Sure, the 900rr has a 945 kit - >I've > > only heard of a handfull of those though. Sorry, pipes, bags, jet-kits, > > chains, sprockets, throttlemeisters, and touring accesories don't get me > > excited about a Honda... Give me something that's easy to bore over 2mm > > (Suzuki), or has some quirks that I, as a rider, get to deal with... add > > some flavor to the riding.... I guess I like living on the edge to >much.... > > > > But, Collin's going to have to pay for his comment on my bike having > > painfull stories - I've never abused it (ok, I guess riding her home in >2~3" > > of snow wasn't all the nice - then dropping her in the driveway because >I > > couldn't get stopped coming down the hill kinda sucked.. but she left me > > stranded once when the stator failed!) > > > > Brian (VFR with CHARACTER! I.E. the pipe is worth more than the bike.. >lol) > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 29 13:48:11 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20528 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 13:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellut6g2 (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13] (may be forged)) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA07963; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 13:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003601bed9e9$b963b7c0$5401a8c0@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt" To: , References: <19990729173741.35029.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Character (was Re: Balance Point) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 13:42:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 relatively new...two months or so :-) I've ridden while it's snowing, but not with accumulation on the ground. You da man... Kirt 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va ----- Original Message ----- From: Leon Begeman To: Sent: Thursday, July 29, 1999 1:37 PM Subject: Re: Character (was Re: Balance Point) > Kirt asked: > >You rode it in the snow? > Yes. > > >How fast were you going? > Let's not start that thread again. > > >Have any other listers > >taken their bikes out in the snow? > > Of course, doesn't everyone? > > Must be a new guy on the list. > > :-) > > Leon. - It was cold this morning, had to wear the warm aerostich and close > the vents. I sure hope summer isn't over already. > > > >From: "Kirt" > >To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , > >"'dc'" > >Subject: Re: Character (was Re: Balance Point) > >Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:32:24 -0400 > > > > > > >Kirt > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 > >To: 'dc' > >Sent: Thursday, July 29, 1999 11:20 AM > >Subject: RE: Character (was Re: Balance Point) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > Hey Collin, let's define character....? Uhm... reliable, > > > > dependable, low > > > > maintenance cost, beyond the capabilities of 95% of people to > > > > push more than > > > > they can handle, affordable, cool, sexy, fast, torquey, > > > > uhm....I just can't ^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > > think today? :) > > > > > > > > > > Are you sure 'cool' and 'sexy' can be applied to a honda? The rest you > > > mention is all true (being a Honda lover) - but, every new honda I've > >ridden > > > has been so utterly bland with it's lack of feeling, flavor and taste - > >that > > > I eagerly look forward to riding my own machine again. Noone seems to > >make > > > interesting, and fun, mods to Hondas... Sure, the 900rr has a 945 kit - > >I've > > > only heard of a handfull of those though. Sorry, pipes, bags, jet-kits, > > > chains, sprockets, throttlemeisters, and touring accesories don't get me > > > excited about a Honda... Give me something that's easy to bore over 2mm > > > (Suzuki), or has some quirks that I, as a rider, get to deal with... add > > > some flavor to the riding.... I guess I like living on the edge to > >much.... > > > > > > But, Collin's going to have to pay for his comment on my bike having > > > painfull stories - I've never abused it (ok, I guess riding her home in > >2~3" > > > of snow wasn't all the nice - then dropping her in the driveway because > >I > > > couldn't get stopped coming down the hill kinda sucked.. but she left me > > > stranded once when the stator failed!) > > > > > > Brian (VFR with CHARACTER! I.E. the pipe is worth more than the bike.. > >lol) > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 29 15:45:10 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web505.yahoomail.com (web505.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA22678 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990729194418.15567.rocketmail@web505.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.212] by web505.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:44:18 PDT Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:44:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Character (was Re: Balance Point) To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "McCoy, Brian NAB02" wrote: > LOL.... > what not owning a car > will do to a person.. :P (the car thing is by > choice - who wants to > own/drive one of those Things anyway?) Hmm...let's see Maybe someone who plans on going on a nice date every now and then? Or possibly someone who would like to make it home from the bar ALIVE? ;) Perhaps these don't apply to you, Brain. -- tg _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 29 17:10:26 1999 Return-Path: bigredsled@XXXXXX Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA24124 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990729210950.9420.rocketmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.2.60.154] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 14:09:50 PDT Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 14:09:50 -0700 (PDT) From: s s Subject: Re: Character (was Re: Balance Point) To: Kirt , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yup. Last month. In Utah. Not fun. Spence...... 88 Concours --- Kirt wrote: > You rode it in the snow? How fast were you going? > Have any other listers > taken their bikes out in the snow? > > Kirt > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 > > To: 'dc' > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 1999 11:20 AM > Subject: RE: Character (was Re: Balance Point) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Hey Collin, let's define character....? Uhm... > reliable, > > > dependable, low > > > maintenance cost, beyond the capabilities of 95% > of people to > > > push more than > > > they can handle, affordable, cool, sexy, fast, > torquey, > > > uhm....I just can't ^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > think today? :) > > > > > > > Are you sure 'cool' and 'sexy' can be applied to a > honda? The rest you > > mention is all true (being a Honda lover) - but, > every new honda I've > ridden > > has been so utterly bland with it's lack of > feeling, flavor and taste - > that > > I eagerly look forward to riding my own machine > again. Noone seems to > make > > interesting, and fun, mods to Hondas... Sure, the > 900rr has a 945 kit - > I've > > only heard of a handfull of those though. Sorry, > pipes, bags, jet-kits, > > chains, sprockets, throttlemeisters, and touring > accesories don't get me > > excited about a Honda... Give me something that's > easy to bore over 2mm > > (Suzuki), or has some quirks that I, as a rider, > get to deal with... add > > some flavor to the riding.... I guess I like > living on the edge to > much.... > > > > But, Collin's going to have to pay for his comment > on my bike having > > painfull stories - I've never abused it (ok, I > guess riding her home in > 2~3" > > of snow wasn't all the nice - then dropping her in > the driveway because I > > couldn't get stopped coming down the hill kinda > sucked.. but she left me > > stranded once when the stator failed!) > > > > Brian (VFR with CHARACTER! I.E. the pipe is worth > more than the bike.. > lol) > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 29 17:58:47 1999 Return-Path: snake69@XXXXXX Received: from zzapp.org (zzapp.org [206.165.125.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA24965 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-100-27.s281.tnt10.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.100.27]) by zzapp.org with SMTP (IPAD 2.5) id 4508500 ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:58:10 -0400 From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Marvin Heilesen" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <1999072616232158-15898609@fanniemaefoundation.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Re[2]: What was the name of that lawyer? Message-Id: <199907292158.4508500@zzapp.org> On Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:21 -0400, Tom Zell wrote: >I had a reckless at 16. It wasn't pretty... my parents had to come out and get >yelled at by the judge (this was Arlington Co.) and then I REALLY got it when I >got home. The infraction stayed on my license for 10 years and raised my >insurance. I had a 95 in a 45 (unsafe speed/reckless driving) back when I was 16. But, in the old days, I lost my license for three months. My dad was not so gentle. And, every cop in town knew my truck from then on.... And, for my chance to bring this back on topic, I just got my Iron Butt Certificate in the mail today!!!!!!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Snake a.k.a. Marvin Heilesen '97 Shadow ACE 1100 '78 Suzuki GS400 "Chick Magnet" ABATE of Maryland MRF / AMA / HRCA Iron Butt Association "Misplaced Idahoan" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 29 20:19:14 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA27328 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 20:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 95 (207-172-109-228.s37.as4.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.228]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id UAA14172; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 20:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <016b01beda21$53767280$e46daccf@95> From: "D. Thompson" To: , Subject: right tools, syncing and a little help from Bruce Norton Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 20:20:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 A big thank you to Bruce for Syncing my throttle bodies. It was a 5 minute job because Bruce knew how and had the right tools. What a great resource to close by. He also had the Service manual(?) or something that gave clear directions to many things such as checking the tension of the chain. It was supposed to be done on the center stand, I had always done it while sitting on the bike, it makes a difference. Thanks Bruce! Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 29 22:57:25 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA29860 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 22:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.64]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 21:42:40 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Tom Zell" , Subject: RE: Re[2]: What was the name of that lawyer? Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 21:46:55 -0400 Message-ID: <004f01beda2d$670de560$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1999072616232158-15898609@fanniemaefoundation.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Painful. I got a reckless at 16 also (squealing tires, but the cop was at home, and had a few beers, so he was a bit pissed) Luckily, I knew an assistant DA, who helped knock it down to no points, no fines, but 40 hours washing police cars... The indignity of it all... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > I agree... have him get the lawyer... > > I had a reckless at 16. It wasn't pretty... my parents had to > come out and get > yelled at by the judge (this was Arlington Co.) and then I REALLY > got it when I > got home. The infraction stayed on my license for 10 years and raised my > insurance. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 29 22:57:39 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA29863 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 22:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA05907 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 22:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f154.hotmail.com [207.82.251.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA27653 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 22:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 74112 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jul 1999 02:57:27 -0000 Message-ID: <19990730025727.74111.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.164.244.75 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 19:57:26 PDT X-Originating-IP: [216.164.244.75] From: "DAN KENNEY" To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Celebrity commuters Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 19:57:26 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I saw Rid(dick) Bowe a couple of years ago Christmas shopping at Victorias Secret in Waldorf. He was looking at stuff and dropping it on the floor ,while the salesgirl followed picking it up. There was also alot of kids asking for his autograph and he told them to go away. I am a big boxing fan but Riddick lost a fan after I got to see the real Riddick. Dan Kenney Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 30 00:12:08 1999 Return-Path: jbroga@XXXXXX Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA01151 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 00:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (sterling2-1.cybercable.com) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FFO00A470ZFW5@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 00:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 00:02:26 -0700 From: jambroga Subject: Character is hooey! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001e01beda59$7b4f6d60$012dbccc@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 References: <852567BD.004D7EAE.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> X-Priority: 3 Yea, I have to chip in on that one too . . .the whole character thing IMHO is crap. My VTR had loads of character. Loud, looked good with those Wolf pipes, wheelies. Character is also judged in vibration, headshake ect. My 883 had so much character I had to sell it. Jonathan PS - Anyone wanna buy an EX500 with lots of "character"? $1000. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 29, 1999 7:05 AM Subject: Character (was Re: Balance Point) > Pardon me, Collin. I take exception to that! > > My VTR has character to spare, and I'd wager Kirk's has even more. Of > course, I did have to drill out the rear baffle in the pipes to release > it... That is unless by "character", you mean "problems" like those that > TL1000s is blessed with. I recently heard (from the owner) about a TL that > had broken its swingarm going over a pothole, of all things! Now THAT's > what I call character! ;^) > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > > Collin wrote: > I'm just joshin.. the F4's are nice, but like any other Honda, they are > very nice and well made, but lack any real character of their own > (customs like Brian's menagery excluded of course.... if that poor bike > could talk...the painful stories it would tell ;-)) > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. 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Foreman Email: fj1100@XXXXXX Web: http://www.fj1100.com Bike Pics: http://home.adelphia.net/~gforeman From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 30 08:36:33 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11173 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FFO00HC7OBYUR@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:35:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA15977; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:31:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990730123545.KVPC3540@toddnt>; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:35:45 +0000 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:34:19 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Re[2]: What was the name of that lawyer? In-reply-to: <199907292158.4508500@zzapp.org> To: Marvin Heilesen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000101beda87$d80b4550$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Woohoo! Welcome to the growing numbers of big mile eaters, Marvin! > > > And, for my chance to bring this back on topic, I just got my > Iron Butt Certificate in the mail today!!!!!!!! > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Snake > a.k.a. Marvin Heilesen > '97 Shadow ACE 1100 > '78 Suzuki GS400 "Chick Magnet" > ABATE of Maryland > MRF / AMA / HRCA > Iron Butt Association > "Misplaced Idahoan" > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 30 10:21:07 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13579 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA09313 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA08765 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by mail.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA11097 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:20:58 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990730101826.015e0f10@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:19:24 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Fwd: Headphones - List By State Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >From the VFR list....interesting.... >After some searching on the net, I found a site that includes the headphone >laws in >the state laws section for mc's (http://www.law4hogs.com/laws). > >Summarised: >There are basically 5 categories the headphone laws fall into: >1) No restriction >2) One ear only >3) For communication only >4) Only helmets with speakers. >5) No way matey > >The vast majority of states have no restrictions, the execeptions by state are: > >2) - One ear only - CA, MD, MN, NY >3) - Comm. only - GA, PA >4) - Helmets with speakers - CO, IL, WA >5) - No way matey - AK, FL, MA, RI > >There are two states, OH and VA that have a combination of rule 2 & 4, i.e. >one ear only except helments with speakers. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 30 10:48:40 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14018 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:48:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA09561 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:48:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA09639 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lisagoddard.kivex.com (corp23.kivex.com [208.213.150.23]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id KAA02595 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990730104532.006b18e4@kivex.com> X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:45:32 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Lisa S. Goddard" Subject: grumble grumble growl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Bummer for me today, my company got bought. The new parent company will no longer give the $100. per month parking allownce like the old company did, they are just going to issue permits to the garage in our building. I am bummed because bike parking is free in the garage across the street so the parking allownce was my lunch money if I rode..... I have a feeling this change will have a negative effect on environmentally friendly commuting for me and co-workers who use the money for the Metro... Lisa Goddard, MIS Specialist Kivex.com, an Alleginace Telecom company Unlock the power of the Internet! From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 30 11:12:12 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14488 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA09834 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA10455 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A0C520D100AA; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:12:05 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990730110946.00c7e610@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:10:32 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: grumble grumble growl In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990730104532.006b18e4@kivex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:45 AM 7/30/99 , Lisa S. Goddard wrote: >I am bummed because bike parking is free in the garage across the street >so the parking allownce was my lunch money if I rode..... > >I have a feeling this change will have a negative effect on environmentally >friendly commuting for me and co-workers who use the money for the Metro... Turn 'em in! I bet they haven't done an Environmental Impact Statement on this policy change! :-) Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 30 11:21:57 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14672 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user67.anent.com [208.195.115.67]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA00468; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:17:49 -0400 Message-ID: <017c01beda9f$44f03240$4373c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "D. Thompson" , , References: <016b01beda21$53767280$e46daccf@95> Subject: Re: right tools, syncing and a little help from Bruce Norton Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:21:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 You're welcome Danny. It is a very simple adjustment, once you have the tools. Your starter valves were not out much. Of the three adjusting screws, one needed one full turn, one needed one-half a turn, and one only needed one-sixth a turn. When I first did my own bike, all the screws needed at least one full turn, and one of them needed over three full turns. Needless to say, I felt a huge difference in idle quality and ease of cold starting. My offer still stands for anyone who wants to bring their VFR800 to Leesburg, I'll synch your starter valves for you. Now it's time to deal with properly bleeding the linked braking system. Bruce '98 VFR800 'Tronix' > A big thank you to Bruce for Syncing my throttle bodies. It was a 5 minute > job because Bruce knew how and had the right tools. What a great resource to > close by. He also had the Service manual(?) or something that gave clear > directions to many things such as checking the tension of the chain. It was > supposed to be done on the center stand, I had always done it while sitting > on the bike, it makes a difference. Thanks Bruce! > > Danny > '99 VFR > "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." > 1 Samuel 2:30 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 30 11:52:19 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15200 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA10377 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (gemini.smart.net [207.176.80.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA11801 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dilbernator (max1p108a.smart.net [209.136.133.108]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA02053 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:52:11 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990730115632.006a0058@wingate> X-Sender: true911#pop.bellatlantic.net@wingate X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:58:46 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: SPAM anyone? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Did anyone else here get a Reform Party spam from someone named Edward B. Miller? I ask only because a couple of the email addresses in the LOOOOONG recipient list looked like they were familiar from this list. I was just curious where my address had been harvested... MET --------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove Email: true@XXXXXX WWW: http://members.bellatlantic.net/~true911 ... playing around at work, like I shouldn't be ... --------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 30 12:16:34 1999 Return-Path: Tony.Allen@XXXXXX Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA15672 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:03:58 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 30 Jul 1999 12:03:52 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 30 Jul 1999 12:03:52 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 02CB037A1CCE801D-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 02CB037A1CCE801D Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Tony.Allen@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; Message-Id: <02CB037A1CCE801D*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=tasc/s=Allen/g=Tony/@MHS> Date: 30 Jul 1999 12:03:52 -0400 From: Tony Allen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: Races this weekend NEED DIRECTIONS TO SUMMIT POINT GOING SOUTH ON RT.7 FROM TYSONS CORNER. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: Races this weekend Author: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX at Internet Date: 7/29/1999 11:46 AM There's no appearance differences to the spectator between CCS and WERA... all the difference is to the racers/officials. You're more than welcome to park your VFR near our pits - though space may be limited due to the fact that this is a National event - irregardless, I don't know anyone that'll be driving, that WON'T let you stow your gear in a locked vehicle (worst case, it'll sit in an enclosed trailer right next to the pit - and people will keep an eye on it). Though, you mostly don't need to worry as much about theft while at the track - it seems to bring out humane people who won't do things like theft.... Anyway... DC-Cycles Racing is working hard to get our 'normal' pit spot. To find us, as you come in the gate, take the first left and follow the paved road, up over a bridge, and down towards the pits. Take the first Paved right and follow that towards the buildings. Take the last left before you get to the buildings (and the road turns to dirt), and we should be right there, on the left hand side. We're looking at having some insane ammount of canopy coverage (20'x30' or something like that) - there'll be a 15' long black banner with red 'DC-Cycles Racing' written on it.. probably a 'Moto Europa' banner, an 'Elf' banner and maybe a couple other smaller ones... I'm almost positive that on Saturday morning, we're going to be running from that pit to wherever we're assigned on Hot Pit for the endurance race... but Friday, Saturday after 4pm, and Sunday that'll be the place to find us.... Hope everyone comes up and enjoys our first Endurance race effort (even if Collin, the bum, isn't racing it). Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 30 12:40:46 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web504.yahoomail.com ([128.11.68.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA16024 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990730164135.14099.rocketmail@web504.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.174] by web504.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:41:35 PDT Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:41:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: right tools, syncing and a little help from Bruce Norton To: Bruce Norton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bruce also does wonderful carb-sync work on 900RRs. But there better not be a goddamn line out of his garage the next time I need to utilize his tools/services! Bruce also appreciates donations to the "Bud" fund. Weiser, that is. -- tg --- Bruce Norton wrote: > You're welcome Danny. It is a very simple > adjustment, once you have the tools. _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 30 15:36:33 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.142]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA19117 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990730193358.6835.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.220] by web1206.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:33:58 PDT Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:33:58 -0700 (PDT) From: ImTheMan ITM Subject: RE: Re[2]: What was the name of that lawyer? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 40 hours? did the ticket get off your record? i'd rather take the fine.. 40 hours * $5 an hour $200 worth of time. --- George Howell wrote: > Painful. I got a reckless at 16 also (squealing > tires, but the cop was at > home, and had a few beers, so he was a bit pissed) > Luckily, I knew an > assistant DA, who helped knock it down to no points, > no fines, but 40 hours > washing police cars... The indignity of it all... > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car > windows" > > > > I agree... have him get the lawyer... > > > > I had a reckless at 16. It wasn't pretty... my > parents had to > > come out and get > > yelled at by the judge (this was Arlington Co.) > and then I REALLY > > got it when I > > got home. The infraction stayed on my license for > 10 years and raised my > > insurance. > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 30 15:38:36 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19147 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA12394 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1205.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.141]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA18700 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990730193744.16041.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.214.220] by web1205.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:37:44 PDT Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:37:44 -0700 (PDT) From: ImTheMan ITM Subject: Re: Celebrity commuters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm a boxing fan too.. I hope I see him get beat up --- DAN KENNEY wrote: > > > I saw Rid(dick) Bowe a couple of years ago Christmas > shopping at Victorias > Secret in Waldorf. He was looking at stuff and > dropping it on the floor > ,while the salesgirl followed picking it up. There > was also alot of kids > asking for his autograph and he told them to go > away. I am a big boxing fan > but Riddick lost a fan after I got to see the real > Riddick. > > > Dan Kenney > Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit > http://www.msn.com > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 30 17:19:02 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA21044 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FFP000FABI0MG@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 20:56:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA17647 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 20:52:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990730205623.SBRP3540@toddnt> for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 20:56:23 +0000 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:54:54 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: FW: Press Release: Police Seek Car That Seriously Injured Motorcyclist To: DC-Cycles Message-id: <001f01bedacd$c67a3080$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal >From the description of the location, this sounds as if it happened close to Boundry Drive. Anybody know anything about this? Todd > ********************************************************* > Do you like the Crime Report? Pass it along to a friend! > ********************************************************* > July 30, 1999 > CONTACT: Cpl. Justin McNaull > > 703-228-4050 > > ARLINGTON POLICE SEEK ADDITIONAL CAR IN RUSH HOUR ACCIDENT THAT > SERIOUSLY INJURED MOTORCYCLIST > > Arlington County Police are seeking a car that was involved in a rush hour > accident on Interstate 395 that ended with a motorcyclist being critically > injured. > > The motorcyclist, a 53-year-old Arlington man, remains in > critical condition > at George Washington Hospital. > > The accident occurred around 4:18 p.m. on Thursday, July 29th, > where traffic > in the southbound HOV lanes of I-395 merges onto I-395 proper. A > gray, older > car, driven by a black man in his 20's or 30's, was stopped > in the safety zone at the left-hand side of the merge out of the > HOV lanes. > The car pulled out in front of a 1998 Plymouth Neon. The 1989 Honda > motorcycle struck the rear of the Neon and the motorcyclist was > thrown over > the Jersey barrier into the left-hand lane of I-395 proper. He > was then hit > by a 1989 Ford pick-up truck as he lay in the traffic lane. The > motorcyclist > was taken to George Washington Hospital. No one else was injured. > > Anyone with additional information about the other car and driver is asked > to call Arlington County Police Detective Rick Myers at 703-228-4159. > > ***************************************************************** > We are supported by sponsors, and need your help to stay in business -- > please tell a friend to subscribe today at http://www.crimereports.com > ***************************************************************** > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: > Go to http://www.crimereports.com/unsubscribe.html > ***************************************************************** > Copyright 1999 Crime Reports. Thanks for subscribing. > ***************************************************************** > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 30 19:23:19 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA23208 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 19:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anita (tc3-s40.wizard.net [206.161.15.162]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA27246 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 19:23:15 -0400 From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Subject: Some interesting info on how motorcycle ridership is increasing... Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 19:24:46 -0400 Message-ID: <000701bedae2$b5e37780$a20fa1ce@anita> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/990730/ny_motorcy_2.html From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 31 06:45:08 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA08137 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 06:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA16980 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 06:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA03627 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 06:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ursulina (207-172-52-16.s16.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.52.16]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA15416 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 06:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004301bedb5a$f24377c0$1034accf@ursulina> From: "Ursulina Viteri" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Giving your motorcycle boots a second life Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 06:45:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Hi, Just wanted to tell you about my experience with a leather/shoe/boot repair shop in Great Falls: Tricks of the Trade. (Thanks for suggesting them, Zbig.) I took my boots to T of T to have them resoled but was advised that removing the old sole could destroy the boot. (Had no idea my $130 motorcycle boots were made of thin cardboard, leather, and rubber - I thought that was allot of $$ when I bought the boots a year and a half ago.) So instead of removing the old sole the cobbler just put another one on top of the old. Works like a charm! :-) I picked up my boots a week after dropping them off at T of T and am VERY happy with the results. The shop put on a super flexible, thickly treaded sole on top of the old sole and it looks great and is just a comfortable as the old sole. Granted, I now stand a good 1/4" taller than before, but that's OK to me! :-) The boots were also polished and look good as brand new. For the $35 it took to get the new soles, I'll be getting at least another year and a half of wear out of these boots. I recommend checking them out and getting a second life out of your motorcycle boots. Trick of the Trade Village Center on Georgetown Pike. Great Falls, VA p 759-4565 Wayne Groves Cash or personal check (no credit cards) From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 31 07:29:12 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA08768 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 07:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA11408 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 07:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 07:29:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Some interesting info on how motorcycle ridership is increasing... In-Reply-To: <000701bedae2$b5e37780$a20fa1ce@anita> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, Anita Lauro wrote: > http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/990730/ny_motorcy_2.html My wife got her first ever bike yesterday (a little 2 stroke dual sport - KE100). We'll get her good and filthy in the mud today! Woo hoo! :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 31 12:22:32 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14608 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 12:22:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.218]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 12:07:22 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "ImTheMan ITM" , Subject: RE: Re[2]: What was the name of that lawyer? Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 12:11:55 -0400 Message-ID: <005a01bedb6f$68b99c40$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990730193358.6835.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 No record on my license whatsoever. And it was a $255 fine at the time, so from a strictly economic point of view, it made sense. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > 40 hours? did the ticket get off your record? i'd > rather take the fine.. 40 hours * $5 an hour > $200 worth of time. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 31 18:37:57 1999 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA20394 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 18:37:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id SAA25888; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 18:41:01 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 18:41:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: KZ-1000 (and moped) wanted, pickup truck for sale Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi...I've acquired (and gotten running) a 1979 KZ-1000 that has been sitting for nine years. As you might imagine, it's not in great shape and could use lots of parts---so I'm looking for a parts bike (preferably with title, though the former owner may yet come through with his). I need brakes, tires (probably), ignition switch (w key), ignition pickup coil, spark plug/ignition coils (probably), etc. Anyone got one of these cheap? Also still interested in a moped, strictly for downtown use. Again, cheap For sale is (Chris Norloff's former) 1977 Toyota pickup. 119k mi, body rusty but starts and runs reliably. Longbed, manual, 2-wd, extra parts, located in nw-dc. Grandfathered for emissions testing (at least in Va). --garcia From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 31 19:37:26 1999 Return-Path: itm_2k@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1204.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.140]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA21442 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 19:37:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990731233703.23808.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.47.165] by web1204.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 16:37:03 PDT Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 16:37:03 -0700 (PDT) From: ImTheMan ITM Subject: Re: KZ-1000 (and moped) wanted, pickup truck for sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What is this grandfathered thing? --- Garcia Oliver wrote: > > Hi...I've acquired (and gotten running) a 1979 > KZ-1000 that has been > sitting for nine years. As you might imagine, it's > not in great shape and > could use lots of parts---so I'm looking for a parts > bike (preferably with > title, though the former owner may yet come through > with his). I need > brakes, tires (probably), ignition switch (w key), > ignition pickup coil, > spark plug/ignition coils (probably), etc. Anyone > got one of these cheap? > > Also still interested in a moped, strictly for > downtown use. Again, cheap > > For sale is (Chris Norloff's former) 1977 Toyota > pickup. 119k mi, body > rusty but starts and runs reliably. Longbed, > manual, 2-wd, extra parts, > located in nw-dc. Grandfathered for emissions > testing (at least in Va). > > > --garcia > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com