From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 1 01:04:39 1999 From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 01:03:46 EDT Subject: Good deal in latest Want Ad Weekly... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Someone's advertising a '98 Bandit 1200 with 2.3k on the odo for $5250!!! Wow. -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 1 10:48:47 1999 From: "Vas Majer" To: Subject: (SP) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:47:21 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 > comacozie(sp?) > kamikaze Mnemonic: "Kawasaki". From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 1 10:54:42 1999 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 10:52:15 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Good deal in latest Want Ad Weekly... -Reply Content-Disposition: inline Hope it's still "wow" after someone looks at it. Unlike the $2500 FJ1100 "in great shape" I looked at in Leesburg for a friend that featured two bald tires, a slipping clutch, bad carburetion, next-to-no front brake, and broom-painted bodywork. Joe >>> - 7/1/99 1:03 AM >>> Someone's advertising a '98 Bandit 1200 with 2.3k on the odo for $5250!!! Wow. -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 1 11:05:23 1999 From: "George Howell" To: "Ursulina Viteri" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: ?? about $$ for carb work Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 11:01:00 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > $210 to remove carbs, clean, reseal, adjust, and replace. He says he'll > have to keep the bike for a few days. How does that price and time frame > sound? > > Also, would this be called a "carb cleaning" or "carb rebuilding"? What's > the difference? Not sure what that would be... To give you a data point: for the older (four banger) Wings, rebuilding the carbs (replacing all needles, jets, gaskets, and o-rings) costs around $750-$1000. That's four CV carbs, and they are relatively easy to remove. So, either he isn't doing that much work, he's giving you the parts for less than free, or there's less labor involved. (Oh, the shops could also be ripping off people who ride old Wings:) BTW, the cheapest I've seen for a complete needle/jet/seal kit for Wings is $117 for a set of four.) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 1 12:27:04 1999 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Fighting For Your Lane Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:25:57 -0400 Yesterday's comments re the ST1100 & the SUV reminded me of a recent incident. June 17 four of us were slabbing down I 81 in the rain ;^( to NC :^). I was in the left lane biding my time as the truck ahead of me crept by another truck. The cager on my right began to nooge into my lane so I pulled ahead a tad in case his peripheral vision is really bad. He's still nooging me so I blip the air horns (the longest ones that Pep Boys sells). Nooger retreats. Later, the rider behind me said the cager hit his roof when the horns went off. :^D But, don't rely solely on sound to goose cagers - be sure they can see you so hopefully, they'll jump the other way. Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capitol since 1981 through rain, sun, and snow, but no ice! '85 VF700S "Rocin-ahorito" '80 GS450E "Caballoante"; FOM #3, AMA 676120; FOO/FOP; OGM #008; FMOENMC #0002 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 1 12:49:16 1999 From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Subject: mouth power Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 07:32:25 -0400 Great story! Funny how we get so used to talking (and other things) inside our helmets and tend to think that no one can ever hear us. Here's another one... I'm riding the Triumph to my weekend night [I was in college] job, and the motor sputters, so I switch to reserve. That was the night I discovered that my petcocks were bodged by a DPO, and I had no reserve. I only had about a mile to get to work, and there were a lot of hills on this road, so I thought I could roller coaster at least some of the way. So I'm rolling along with the (usually loud) engine off and with my visor open, when I see headlights very close behind me. Then I notice that the car is matching my speed, which can't be more than 15 miles an hour at the tops of the hills. It's making me nervous, and I yell, "What the f*** do you want!?" The answer comes over the police car PA system, "Run out of gas?" I say, "Uh... yeah." He then turns onto a side road, and leaves me to my roller coasting. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling Jeannette wrote... LOL!! Here's another story: Same basic thing, I was riding in the right lane of 495 'cause my exit was coming up...a blonde in some muscle car, without even turning her head an inch, decides to come into my lane from the right. I yelled, "AHHHH". She had her window open and heard me....finally turned her head!!!...and stopped coming into my lane. Sometimes the mouth works wonders. I think it's a lot louder than my horn. ; ) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 1 21:11:46 1999 From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 21:07:34 EDT Subject: Tires,dealers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cb-750@XXXXXX, I recently purchased a set of Michlin radials for my Night Hawk. I didn't have the time nor inclination to mount them myself so I thought I would call a couple of places to have that done. Loudoun Motorsport in Leesburg said I needed to call about two weeks ahead. Said thanks, but no thanks. Shenandoah Honda in Winchester said they could do it the next day, but when they heard the tires had been purchased mail order they said they wouldn't mount them because of "liability" . Called Winchester Indian. They said sure bring the bike over Thursday AM. When I arrived they were pouring concrete at the rear of shop making it impossible to get anything in. Seems theyhad forgotten the concrete deal when they made the appointment. No problem says the owner as he tossed me the keys to a Triumph 900 Legend. Bring it back Friday night or Saturday morning and put as many miles as you need to on it. The bottom line-- Since I bought my bike used from a private party I had been looking for a shop to call " home". I think I may have found it. Bob McKeithen From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 1 21:52:45 1999 From: JimJacks@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 21:50:52 EDT Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/01/99 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX That reminds ME of a story! The other day I got on my ultra fast and ultra sleek best bike in the world with every conceivable option I could find in my tee shirt and shorts...oh no...wait...in my full leathers, and I donned the helmet I got a great deal on , luckily I had recently hired the perfect shop to do all of my maintenence work and they did it for a reasonable cost, you know this was my sportbike, not my harley, becauee I like to be regarded as popular so I bought both to make sure I have all of the bases covered, and I still wave to "the other" group (except police officers, we all now know they rarely wave but sometimes do) anyhow the dyno said 130hp, and my tires both match and my clutch cable is stretched but not broken (only foreplay), and I picked the best rout ever, 1.6 miles this way and 2.something that, and some of it was dirt, which I wasnt aware of because I dont have my GPS that I ordered mail order (its the best way to go) yet but unfortunately some cage driver? (did I get that right?) cut me off and then almost hit me coming the other way (ok, maybe it was a different cage) and then some gas guzzling SUV was lane splitting (the Infinity logo was situated directly above the yellow lines, but I outran him like I do the cops (I hope there are no cops on here) and I couldnt wait to get back to my computer (a 327mh 250 somthing with a BIG ....hard drive? and realy fast telephone stuff...and a tv ...anyhow...) and write it all down for you guys! What fun! Does anyone know where I can get those cool neon lights inside my fairings? - l o l From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 00:13:52 1999 From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: , Subject: non-moto.. Stuff for sale Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 00:20:17 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BEC420.A956FB00 Folks... I hate to bother the list with stuff for sale BUT I'm on the = hunt for a new 2000 Firebird Formula so a few things have to go around = here: 1985 Saab 900 Turbo 3 door hatchback, 2.0L turbo with intercooler, car has 90k on it (just = breaking in), new turbo at 50k miles, steady oil changes, always allowed = to cool down before shutting engine off, black with red interior (needs = headliner), sun roof, Alpine CD with EQ, Earthquake amp, Orion speakers, = etc. Inquire for more information. $3500 with CD system, $2500 = without. 1972 Dodge Dart Swinger 340 clone No engine or trans, some rust in drivers floor, still good looking = though, relatively new quarter panels, ralley wheels, 8 3/4 rear, setup = for small block motor but will EASILY take a 383/440 big block (original = plan for me), interior is complete minus headliner. Biege paint with = Bee Stripe across trunk and quarters. No title but is obtainable through = VA DMV. $500/firm Computer stuff (4) Digital 133 PCs w/64 MB ram, 875MB HD, CD-ROM, internal sound, = on-board video. Y2K compatible. KB/Mouse and Digital 17" monitors. All = in excellent shape and ready to go. Great for college kids, etc. Make a = reasonable offer. Pentium Pro 200 MHz PC/Server 128 MB ram, 4.3 GB SCSI, Adaptec SCSI controller w/BIOS, Tyan Titan = Pro motherboard (the best period), CD-ROM, KB, MS Mouse, Win95 or NT 4.0 = WS, 17" monitor, Diamond Stealth Video w/4MB Vram combined with Monster = 3D graphics. No sound. Very powerful workstation. Tower case. Make = reasonable offer as well. Sorry about taking up the bandwidth. Tell anyone you know about this = stuff... we need it to go! Call or e-mail: zellto@XXXXXX tzell@XXXXXX H (703) 931-9143 W (202) 274-8015 Thanks, Tom '86 VFR750=20 OK... moto content.... 1st Gen VFRs rule!!! ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BEC420.A956FB00
Folks... I hate to bother the list with stuff for = sale BUT I'm=20 on the hunt for a new 2000 Firebird Formula so a few things have to go = around=20 here:
 
1985 Saab 900 Turbo
3 door hatchback, 2.0L turbo with intercooler, car = has 90k on=20 it (just breaking in), new turbo at 50k miles, steady oil changes, = always=20 allowed to cool down before shutting engine off, black with red = interior=20 (needs headliner), sun roof, Alpine CD with EQ, Earthquake amp, Orion = speakers,=20 etc.  Inquire for more information.  $3500 with CD = system, $2500=20 without.
 
1972 Dodge Dart Swinger 340 clone
No engine or trans, some rust in drivers floor, = still good=20 looking though, relatively new quarter panels, ralley wheels, 8 3/4 = rear, setup=20 for small block motor but will EASILY take a 383/440 big block (original = plan=20 for me), interior is complete minus headliner.  Biege paint with = Bee Stripe=20 across trunk and quarters. No title but is obtainable through VA = DMV. =20 $500/firm
 
Computer stuff
(4) Digital 133 PCs w/64 MB ram, 875MB HD, CD-ROM, = internal=20 sound, on-board video. Y2K compatible.  KB/Mouse and Digital 17" = monitors.=20 All in excellent shape and ready to go.  Great for college kids, = etc. Make=20 a reasonable offer.
 
Pentium Pro 200 MHz PC/Server
128 MB ram,  4.3 GB SCSI, Adaptec SCSI = controller=20 w/BIOS,  Tyan Titan Pro motherboard (the best period), CD-ROM, KB, = MS=20 Mouse, Win95 or NT 4.0 WS, 17" monitor, Diamond Stealth Video w/4MB Vram = combined with Monster 3D graphics.  No sound.  Very powerful=20 workstation.  Tower case.  Make reasonable offer as = well.
 
Sorry about taking up the bandwidth.  Tell = anyone you=20 know about this stuff... we need it to go!
Call or e-mail:
zellto@XXXXXX
tzell@XXXXXX= rg
H (703) 931-9143
W (202) 274-8015
 
Thanks,
Tom
'86 VFR750
 
OK... moto content.... 1st Gen VFRs=20 rule!!!
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BEC420.A956FB00-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 08:22:35 1999 From: "Carver, John M, BGM" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Laughing Gods Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 08:22:12 -0400 Okay, I've been wondering while watching the threads about Linda's mishap and agree that little damage, if any, was done. However, I do have one outstanding question. If the clutch is engaged, how do you start it from a dead stop w/o lurching forward and having the engine die? Shifting gears makes sense w/o the clutch, but starting, that makes me go hmmmmmm. John 98 VFR with a hydraulic clutch (I am supposed to be on RT.50 right now on the way to OH, but I am chained to work, ARGG!) From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 09:20:13 1999 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 9:16 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Carver; John M; BGM" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:Laughing Gods I had a clutch problem with my VFR when I put the new 750 motor into it. A friend was helping me the work and, not knowing that the entire slave cylinder can be removed without breaking the clutch line free, removed the hydraulic line from the slave cylinder. Everything was well and good until I had to bleed that sucker... oh my God what a nightmare! In the middle of frustration though I decided that I was gonna ride this bike regardless of a working clutch so what I did was start the bike in neutral, roll it a little to get some momentum, rev the motor to about 3k rpm and then (with the look of "this can't possibly be good for the transmission") pushed it into first gear and took off. I rode the bike all over the neighborhood like that and was made just a little bit happier than I was. The next day I went out and bought stuff to help with the bleeding process but it still did not work. I ended up having to make my own Maguiver(?) type system to get the job done. Haven't touched it since. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Laughing Gods Author: jcarver@XXXXXX (Carver; John M; BGM) Date: 7/2/99 8:22 AM Okay, I've been wondering while watching the threads about Linda's mishap and agree that little damage, if any, was done. However, I do have one outstanding question. If the clutch is engaged, how do you start it from a dead stop w/o lurching forward and having the engine die? Shifting gears makes sense w/o the clutch, but starting, that makes me go hmmmmmm. John 98 VFR with a hydraulic clutch (I am supposed to be on RT.50 right now on the way to OH, but I am chained to work, ARGG!) From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 10:25:00 1999 From: "D. Thompson" To: "Thomas and Jeannette" , Subject: Re: non-moto.. Stuff for sale Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 10:25:07 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01A2_01BEC475.28378EE0 Hey Tom, if you don't get any resonable offers on your computers, you = could always donate them to the Technology Department at my school = (Liberty High School) for a good tax write-off. I know that won't help = you right NOW with the Firebird, but when tax time comes it can really = come in handy. Plus you can get a lot more value in write-off than in = selling. Just a thought. I am sending this to the list to let others know and remind them of the = need in public schools. :) Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..."=20 1 Samuel 2:30 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thomas and Jeannette=20 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ; grim500@XXXXXX=20 Sent: Friday, July 02, 1999 12:20 AM Subject: non-moto.. Stuff for sale Folks... I hate to bother the list with stuff for sale BUT I'm on the = hunt for a new 2000 Firebird Formula so a few things have to go around = here: 1985 Saab 900 Turbo 3 door hatchback, 2.0L turbo with intercooler, car has 90k on it (just = breaking in), new turbo at 50k miles, steady oil changes, always allowed = to cool down before shutting engine off, black with red interior (needs = headliner), sun roof, Alpine CD with EQ, Earthquake amp, Orion speakers, = etc. Inquire for more information. $3500 with CD system, $2500 = without. 1972 Dodge Dart Swinger 340 clone No engine or trans, some rust in drivers floor, still good looking = though, relatively new quarter panels, ralley wheels, 8 3/4 rear, setup = for small block motor but will EASILY take a 383/440 big block (original = plan for me), interior is complete minus headliner. Biege paint with = Bee Stripe across trunk and quarters. No title but is obtainable through = VA DMV. $500/firm Computer stuff (4) Digital 133 PCs w/64 MB ram, 875MB HD, CD-ROM, internal sound, = on-board video. Y2K compatible. KB/Mouse and Digital 17" monitors. All = in excellent shape and ready to go. Great for college kids, etc. Make a = reasonable offer. Pentium Pro 200 MHz PC/Server 128 MB ram, 4.3 GB SCSI, Adaptec SCSI controller w/BIOS, Tyan Titan = Pro motherboard (the best period), CD-ROM, KB, MS Mouse, Win95 or NT 4.0 = WS, 17" monitor, Diamond Stealth Video w/4MB Vram combined with Monster = 3D graphics. No sound. Very powerful workstation. Tower case. Make = reasonable offer as well. Sorry about taking up the bandwidth. Tell anyone you know about this = stuff... we need it to go! Call or e-mail: zellto@XXXXXX tzell@XXXXXX H (703) 931-9143 W (202) 274-8015 Thanks, Tom '86 VFR750=20 OK... moto content.... 1st Gen VFRs rule!!! ------=_NextPart_000_01A2_01BEC475.28378EE0
Hey Tom, if you don't get any resonable = offers on=20 your computers, you could always donate them to the Technology = Department at my=20 school (Liberty High School) for a good tax write-off. I know that won't = help=20 you right NOW with the Firebird, but when tax time comes it can really = come in=20 handy. Plus you can get a lot more value in write-off than in selling. = Just a=20 thought.
 
I am sending this to the list to let = others know=20 and remind them of the need in public schools. :)
 
Danny
'99 VFR
"...Those who honor me, I will honor,..."=20
           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;   =20 1 Samuel 2:30
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Thomas=20 and Jeannette
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ; grim500@XXXXXX
Sent: Friday, July 02, 1999 = 12:20=20 AM
Subject: non-moto.. Stuff for = sale

Folks... I hate to bother the list with stuff for = sale BUT=20 I'm on the hunt for a new 2000 Firebird Formula so a few things have = to go=20 around here:
 
1985 Saab 900 Turbo
3 door hatchback, 2.0L turbo with intercooler, car = has 90k=20 on it (just breaking in), new turbo at 50k miles, steady oil changes, = always=20 allowed to cool down before shutting engine off, black with red = interior=20 (needs headliner), sun roof, Alpine CD with EQ, Earthquake amp, Orion=20 speakers, etc.  Inquire for more information.  $3500 = with CD=20 system, $2500 without.
 
1972 Dodge Dart Swinger 340 clone
No engine or trans, some rust in drivers floor, = still good=20 looking though, relatively new quarter panels, ralley wheels, 8 3/4 = rear,=20 setup for small block motor but will EASILY take a 383/440 big block = (original=20 plan for me), interior is complete minus headliner.  Biege paint = with Bee=20 Stripe across trunk and quarters. No title but is obtainable through = VA=20 DMV.  $500/firm
 
Computer stuff
(4) Digital 133 PCs w/64 MB ram, 875MB HD, CD-ROM, = internal=20 sound, on-board video. Y2K compatible.  KB/Mouse and Digital 17"=20 monitors. All in excellent shape and ready to go.  Great for = college=20 kids, etc. Make a reasonable offer.
 
Pentium Pro 200 MHz PC/Server
128 MB ram,  4.3 GB SCSI, Adaptec SCSI = controller=20 w/BIOS,  Tyan Titan Pro motherboard (the best period), CD-ROM, = KB, MS=20 Mouse, Win95 or NT 4.0 WS, 17" monitor, Diamond Stealth Video w/4MB = Vram=20 combined with Monster 3D graphics.  No sound.  Very powerful = workstation.  Tower case.  Make reasonable offer as=20 well.
 
Sorry about taking up the bandwidth.  Tell = anyone you=20 know about this stuff... we need it to go!
Call or e-mail:
zellto@XXXXXX
tzell@XXXXXX= rg
H (703) 931-9143
W (202) 274-8015
 
Thanks,
Tom
'86 VFR750
 
OK... moto content.... 1st Gen VFRs=20 rule!!!
------=_NextPart_000_01A2_01BEC475.28378EE0-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 10:34:54 1999 From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Friday funnies Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 10:28:50 -0400 Occassionally, the Navy Safety Office sends out these "Summary of Mishaps" to show us how stupid some people can get. The office writes these with a macabre humor in an attempt to get Navy and Marine Corps personnel to read it. The style works, because everyone wants to read it. These deal with military personnel, but are applicable to all of us. As the summer heats up, motorcyclists appear in this list quite often. Here's the first one of the summer. I also added another non-moto one, because I could see it happen. Mitch Holmes 1986 Honda Magna Lieutenant, U.S. Navy _________________ "PEELING THE ONION" IS A TERM OF ART WE USE A LOT AROUND HERE. IT REFERS TO THE FACT THAT THINGS ARE SELDOM WHAT THEY SEEM AT FIRST GLANCE. HERE'S AN EXAMPLE: > A 29-YEAR OLD SAILOR LOST CONTROL AND CRASHED HIS NEW MOTORCYCLE. HE > CRUSHED HIS LEG, TRANSECTED A COUPLE OF VITAL NERVES AND MAY BE > PERMANENTLY CRIPPLED AS A RESULT. PAINFUL, YES. TRAGIC, CERTAINLY, BUT > NOT UNCOMMON. > NOW LET'S LOOK A LITTLE DEEPER - LET'S PEEL THIS ONION. LAYER ONE: POLICE REPORT SAYS, ALTHOUGH HIS BIKE WAS A 1999 MODEL, THE FRONT TIRE WAS BADLY WORN. THIS NEGLECT OF PROPER MAINTENANCE, IN COMBINATION WITH HIS EXCESSIVE SPEED, MAY HAVE CAUSED THE SHAKING THAT CULMINATED IN THE CRASH. LAYER TWO: HE HAD NO MOTORCYCLE ENDORSEMENT ON HIS LICENSE. NOT THAT IT WOULD HAVE MADE MUCH DIFFERENCE, SEEING AS HOW HIS LICENSE HAD BEEN SUSPENDED BY THE CALIFORNIA DMV. > LAYER THREE: HE FAILED TO ATTEND MANDATORY MOTORCYCLE TRAINING > REQUIRED BY THE NAVY. > > LAYER FOUR: HE ACTIVELY SOUGHT TO CIRCUMVENT THE SYSTEM BY PARKING > HIS BIKE OFF-BASE AND WALKING THROUGH THE GATE TO WORK. > > LAYER FIVE: HE'D BEEN DOING THIS FOR THREE YEARS. > SO, HOW DO YOU END UP AFTER ONE OF THESE THEORETICAL ONION PEELS? > WELL, YOU END UP THINKING, "SHAME ON THIS PETTY OFFICER FOR PUTTING > HIMSELF ABOVE CIVIL LAW AND MILITARY REGULATIONS; SHAME ON HIM FOR > VIOLATING ALL THE RULES DESIGNED BY THE STATE AND BY THE NAVY TO ASSURE > HIS SAFETY." AND, "SHAME ON ALL HIS SHIPMATES WHO KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING, > KNEW THAT IT WAS WRONG, AND ACTIVELY CHOSE TO DO NOTHING TO PROTECT HIM > FROM HIMSELF." > > BUT MOSTLY, YOU END UP THINKING THESE THEORETICAL ONION PEELS ARE A LOT > LIKE THE REAL THING: THEY BOTH LEAVE YOU WITH TEARS IN YOUR EYES. > OK, here's a "funnier" one. > F. FINALLY, THIS THOUGHT. IT MUST BE AWFUL, LYING ON YOUR BACK IN > SICKBAY, WITH YOUR LEGS UP IN TRACTION, SCREAMING FOR ANOTHER ICE PACK, > WHEN THE THOUGHT SUDDENLY FLASHES THROUGH YOUR MIND THAT NOT ONLY IS YOUR > MOST RECENT INDISCRETION GOING TO PUT YOU IN THE FRIDAY FUNNIES, BUT > YOU'RE GOING TO BE THE KICKER, THE ZINGER, THE ONE EVERY BODY IS TALKING > ABOUT AROUND THE COFFEE POT ON MONDAY MORNING. WELL, LANCE CORPORAL, > WELCOME TO YOUR FIFTEEN MINUTES OF FAME. > * THE OBJECT OF THE MISSION WAS BOLT CUTTERS. AND NOT > JUST ANY BOLT CUTTERS, MIND YOU, BUT THOSE BOLT CUTTERS; THE ONES HANGING > WAY UP ON THE WALL OF THE TOOL ROOM ^ THE ONES YOU REALLY NEEDED A LADDER > IN ORDER TO FETCH SAFELY. BUT HEY, WHO'S GOT TIME FOR SAFETY? WHEN THE > GUNNY WANTS BOLT CUTTERS, HE WANTS THEM YESTERDAY. > CLEARLY, THE QUICKEST WAY TO GET THE BOLT CUTTERS WAS TO CLIMB UP ON ONE > OF THOSE BIG EMBARK BOXES ARRAYED ALONG THE WALL OVER THERE, PICK THEM OFF > THEIR HOOK, HOP DOWN, AND DELIVER THEM TO THE CUSTOMER. EASY. > AND THAT'S JUST WHAT THE LANCE CORPORAL DID. ALMOST. > ACTUALLY, HE ONLY COMPLETED STEPS ONE AND TWO BECAUSE, JUST > AS HE CLIMBED UP ON THE TOP OF THE BOX, PLUCKED THE BOLT CUTTERS FROM > THEIR HIGH MOUNT AND TURNED TO HOP DOWN, THE TOP OF THAT BIG EMBARK BOX > CAVED IN. AND HE FELL. > BUT HE DIDN'T FALL FAR. > NO, NEVER EVEN HIT THE GROUND ACTUALLY, WHAT WITH ONE LEG > INSIDE THE BOX AND THE OTHER LEG OUTSIDE THE BOX AND, WHAT WITH THE BOX > BEING TALLER THAN THIS GUY'S LEGS WERE LONG, HE JUST SORT OF TEETERED > THERE - ASTRIDE THAT PLYWOOD KNIFE-EDGE - WITH ALL HIS WEIGHT CRUSHING > DOWN ON HIS MOST TENDER, MOST NETHERMOST PARTS. > 2. HEY, FOURTH OF JULY! FIRST BIG HOLIDAY OF THE SUMMER COMING UP. ENJOY > IT, BUT LET'S BE REAL CAREFUL OUT THERE. GO EASY ON THE BOOZE, GET LOTS > OF REST BEFORE YOU DRIVE, STAY ALERT FOR LOONS WHO DON'T HAVE THE BENEFIT > OF THESE BI-WEEKLY BRIEFINGS, LOOK BEFORE YOU LEAP, WEAR YOUR SEAT BELTS > AND YOUR LIFE PRESERVERS AND BE BACK HERE NEXT TIME, AS OUR ADVENTURE > CONTINUES. > TAKE CARE OF ONE ANOTHER. WE'LL SEE YOU SOON.// > BT > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 11:35:28 1999 From: djones@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: NIRC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 15:11:38 -0400 Subject: Any Rides This Weekend? Thanks, DJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 11:54:21 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 11:53:47 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Great MC demo game..... ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/vfr-list/chs2000demo.exe ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org The author will not be held responsible for anything he says. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 11:56:32 1999 Date: 2 Jul 1999 08:56:25 -0700 X-Sent: 2 Jul 1999 15:56:25 GMT Content-Disposition: inline To: djones@XXXXXX From: Kirt Senser Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Any Rides This Weekend? X-Sent-From: ksenser.erols.com@XXXXXX On Thu, 01 July 1999, djones@XXXXXX wrote: > > Thanks, DJ Always looking for rides... let me know if you find anything. Hobbes CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 12:00:27 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 12:00:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: re: Great MC demo game..... I should have said a bit more about it, but my itchy 'send' trigger got the best of me. This is the Castrol Honda Superbike 2000 game. Best played with a voodoo2 card, but compatible with other 3d systems (and perhaps non-3d). Very realistic. ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/vfr-list/chs2000demo.exe ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 12:20:20 1999 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:54:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Schmoe To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Any Rides This Weekend? Only me riding your wife when you head out > -----Original Message----- > From: djones@XXXXXX [mailto:djones@XXXXXX] > > > Thanks, DJ > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 12:25:17 1999 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 99 12:21:04 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: RE: Any Rides This Weekend? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, djones@XXXXXX, Mwalker3@XXXXXX Mark, more than welcome to join, as is everyone. DJ: ride this saturday, 200+ miles, meet at the old country buffet in Manassas(on business 234 south in shopping center with gian and barnes and noble) at 8:30 for breakfast, 9:30 kickstands up. First gas at ~90 miles, so any VTR's better be full;-) greg --- On Thu, 1 Jul 1999 15:11:38 -0400 djones@XXXXXX wrote: >Thanks, DJ > > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/2/99 HSTA/AMA 12:21:04 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 12:30:51 1999 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 99 12:27:25 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: re: Great MC demo game..... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Troutman How does it compare to the EA world Superbike game? That's the most realistic one I've seen, and I've even found it a little useful in real life, gives a great feel for what changing the suspension does.. thanks, greg --- On Fri, 02 Jul 1999 12:00:20 -0400 Troutman wrote: >I should have said a bit more about it, but my itchy 'send' trigger got the >best of me. This is the Castrol Honda Superbike 2000 game. Best played >with a voodoo2 card, but compatible with other 3d systems (and perhaps non-3d). > >Very realistic. > >ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/vfr-list/chs2000demo.exe > > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/2/99 HSTA/AMA 12:27:25 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 12:49:42 1999 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 12:48:22 -0400 Subject: re: Great MC demo game..... To: Greg Sachs Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I've heard that it doesn't compare well to EA Superbike. I think that EA SB is still supposed to be the best out there for the PC. (It's not out for consoles) FWIW, I've heard rumors of a couple of racing games coming out in the fall that will blow EA SB away. Don't believe it till you see it though. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 p.s. EA Superbike is supposedly a real system hog. How does it compare to the EA world Superbike game? That's the most realistic one I've seen, and I've even found it a little useful in real life, gives a great feel for what changing the suspension does.. thanks, ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 13:03:10 1999 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 99 12:57:25 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: re: Great MC demo game..... To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- On Fri, 02 Jul 1999 12:48:22 -0400 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: >I've heard that it doesn't compare well to EA Superbike. I think that EA SB >is still supposed to be the best out there for the PC. (It's not out for >consoles) FWIW, I've heard rumors of a couple of racing games coming out in >the fall that will blow EA SB away. Don't believe it till you see it >though. > >Chris Weaver >'98 VTR 1000 > >p.s. EA Superbike is supposedly a real system hog. haven't found it too bad, as long as I don't do a full field with 40 riders-I run full detail levels, and 16 bikes, on a p-266MMX with a 3dfx. 40 mb memory. Runs very well, exceot for I'm still bad at it. But it is great for playing with stoppies-turn down the front suspension, and braking gets really interesting. Wheelie really easily too, as you might imagine with 180 hp. And highsides. lots of highsides. Other one that looks good is the one that is coming from motosims, the AMA sim. have to see about that one. greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/2/99 HSTA/AMA 12:57:25 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 14:07:05 1999 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 14:04:24 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ges6@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Subject: re: Great MC demo game..... -Reply Content-Disposition: inline Mac riders, don't bother. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 14:17:44 1999 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 14:17:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Hey there, could use some help.. Okay, You guys have been great about most questions asked, so I have an offer, and hopefully its not insulting to anyone :) I dont know if I went into the saga of my 97 katana 600, but Collin helped me get it back from some guy's parking lot after he up and bailed (after buying it) and didn't pay me any money. So far so good. I dont have the key for it anymore. The bike is salvage rebuilt, and there's no way to tell where the bike was originally sold. Apparently, there's a key code stamped on the bottom of the ignition, but the Katanas are held in by some sort of funky star-shaped bolt - it is NOT an allen bolt, not metric, not standard. I dont even know what these are called. To make things worse, I destroyed my car's rotors, pads, and power steering at summit point last weekend. So it's not really driveable. I have my room-mate's old junker, but I don't trust that car to take me anywhere >10 miles away. If anyone who lives in the Sterling/Ashburn area is willing to help me take the damn ignition lock off (I also know jack SQUAT about working on bikes, which is why I'm asking) I will: 1. Pay for your gas 2. Buy you a case of your favorite beverage 3. Take you out to Tuesday's or Outback for your time I really want to get _A_ running vehicle this weekend. Locksmiths are quoting me like $150 to come out here and "try" to make a key impression ( I know it wont work - one guy already came out, tried for 2 hrs, and was nice enough to not charge me). I hope I'm not asking for too much. I know everyone is busy this 4th weekend. I'm just kinda SOL ATM :( Thanks, Alex. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 14:18:42 1999 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 14:18 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX" , "ges6@XXXXXX" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:re: Great MC demo game..... Not on mine it isn't... Pentium II 450 128MB ram 16MB AGP 3DFX... etc, etc. Tom '86 VFR750 aka Halflife Addict ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: re: Great MC demo game..... Author: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: 7/2/99 12:48 PM p.s. EA Superbike is supposedly a real system hog. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 14:46:04 1999 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 14:44:45 +0000 From: Jon Schumer Subject: Re: Hey there, could use some help.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-priority: Normal > I dont have the key for it anymore. The bike is salvage rebuilt, > and there's no way to tell where the bike was originally sold. > Apparently, there's a key code stamped on the bottom of the > ignition, but the Katanas are held in by some sort of funky > star-shaped bolt - it is NOT an allen bolt, not metric, not standard. > I dont even know what these are called. Torx bolts > To make things worse, I destroyed my car's rotors, pads, and > power steering at summit point last weekend. So it's not really > driveable. I have my room-mate's old junker, but I don't trust > that car to take me anywhere >10 miles away. Uh, racing will do that to a car. 8^) I don't live near you or I'd help, but you can buy torx sockets at any auto store or Sears. If you're just removing the ignition to get a key code, you won't need anything but the right size torx socket. Jon From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 21:43:45 1999 From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, McKeithen@XXXXXX Subject: Winchester Indian Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 21:43:07 -0400 I bought my Enfield from Winchester Indian. Carl and Dana are good people, and they put on a good party too. Their open house was a lot of fun. I only wish I didn't live 60 miles from there. A refreshing experience. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling Bob wrote... Called Winchester Indian... I had been looking for a shop to call " home". I think I may have found it. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 22:52:59 1999 X-Originating-IP: [209.122.246.120] From: DAN KENNEY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sunday ride Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 19:52:26 PDT Any body want to ride Sunday. Planning a southern MD ( loosely organized)ride. Dan Kenney Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 2 23:18:04 1999 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" , Subject: RE: Winchester Indian Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 23:16:44 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Well, I live 10 minutes from them. While they don't have much for my FJ1100 or TL100R, they do have a good selection of leather jackets (just got a new one from them), and cleaning supplies, etc. They seemed very helpful. They will get my business when I can give it to them. > -----Original Message----- > From: Crishock, Richard M, BGM [mailto:rcrishock@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, July 02, 1999 9:43 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; McKeithen@XXXXXX > Subject: Winchester Indian > > > I bought my Enfield from Winchester Indian. Carl and Dana are > good people, > and they put on a good party too. Their open house was a lot of fun. I > only wish I didn't live 60 miles from there. A refreshing experience. > > Rich > '78 Triumph Bonneville > '99 Enfield Bullet > Sterling > > > > Bob wrote... > > Called Winchester Indian... > > I had been > looking for a shop to call " home". I think I may have found it. > From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 3 12:17:01 1999 X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 12:19:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: lisa Goddard Subject: digest Please switch me to digest. Thanks! From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 3 17:36:19 1999 From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Small rewards!! (Jottings from my cave) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 17:34:57 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_150C_01BEC57A.5E98B260 About noon today I retreated to my cave for a weather sitout. A musing: Reward A. Up first thing this morning for chores, among them being a = long overdue bike wash and cleanup: I'm not a showbiker, but I find = peace of mind in dedirting my stock machine every few months. So spent = a couple of hours in the (relative) cool tree shade with potions and = rags. Came out looking pretty sparkly, If I do say. =20 Anyway, this is a labor of love for me as the before/after difference = isn't that pronounced on this recent bike and my expectations of any = applause are nil. =20 So -- I'm back to the middle of town and just finished parking to run a = last errand when a messenger type comes bicycling down the sidewalk. = He's looking at the bike, looking at the bike, looking at the bike. He = pulls up to me and says "Gee, great bike. What year is it?" I tell = him. He says "Wow. It really looks great" and he goes over to get a = closer look. I continue on with a HUGE helmet-hidden grin, marveling = about timing, thinking his comments all the better because the bike is = in the shade, seeing as how 99% of the comments I get on my midcruiser = are "Hey, is that a Harley?", and know that my next wet & buff will be = much sooner than the last. =20 Reward B. On that same errand I'm coming back to the bike and crossing = 19th Street when I look down (checking surface traction, of course) and = there is a small pager unit, obviously lost (and beeping). I look = around, no one, I rescue it from the hazards of the street. Ten minutes = later I'm on the phone to Metrocall, and it turns out they offer a $15 = reward for pager returns, for which I arrange (by mail, tho they promote = carryin). I say I hope they will try to contact the user asap so their = Fourth weekend isn't retched upon by this crucial loss. =20 Back to sipping cool and catching up on 'stuff'. Crazy me I'm on the = bike tomorrow. =20 Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Thank you Bill for a cool, quiet afternoon Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_150C_01BEC57A.5E98B260
About noon today I retreated to my cave = for a=20 weather sitout.  A musing:
 
Reward A.  Up first thing this = morning for=20 chores, among them being a long overdue bike wash and cleanup:  I'm = not a=20 showbiker, but I find peace of mind in dedirting my stock machine every = few=20 months.  So spent a couple of hours in the (relative) cool tree = shade with=20 potions and rags.  Came out looking pretty sparkly, If I do = say. =20
 
Anyway, this is a labor of love for me = as the=20 before/after difference isn't that pronounced on this recent bike and my = expectations of any applause are nil. 
 
So -- I'm back to the middle of town = and just=20 finished parking to run a last errand when a messenger type comes = bicycling down=20 the sidewalk.  He's looking at the bike, looking at the bike, = looking at=20 the bike.  He pulls up to me and says "Gee, great bike.  = What=20 year is it?"  I tell him.  He says "Wow.  It = really=20 looks great"  and he goes over to get a closer look.  I = continue=20 on with a HUGE helmet-hidden grin, marveling about timing, thinking his = comments=20 all the better because the bike is in the shade, seeing as how 99% of = the=20 comments I get on my midcruiser are "Hey, is that a Harley?", = and know=20 that my next wet & buff will be much sooner than the last. =20
 
 
Reward B.  On that same errand I'm = coming back=20 to the bike and crossing 19th Street when I look down (checking surface=20 traction, of course) and there is a small pager unit, obviously lost = (and=20 beeping).  I look around, no one, I rescue it from the hazards of = the=20 street.  Ten minutes later I'm on the phone to Metrocall, and it = turns out=20 they offer a $15 reward for pager returns, for which I arrange (by mail, = tho=20 they promote carryin).  I say I hope they will try to contact the = user asap=20 so their Fourth weekend isn't retched upon by this crucial loss. =20
 
 
Back to sipping cool and catching up on = 'stuff'.  Crazy me I'm on the bike tomorrow. 
 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 = VN750 --> Thank=20 you Bill for a cool, quiet afternoon
Join the AMA.  Help protect = my=20 riding fun.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_150C_01BEC57A.5E98B260-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 3 18:14:30 1999 Date: Sat, 3 Jul 99 18:09:51 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: Ride today To: Dc Cycles Unfortunately not many showed(to say the least, but the ride was really nice I think. Grant on his SV, Mark on his vfr 800, myself, and Keith on a Fj1200 did about 300 miles today, had fun. Got a bit of rain on skyline and on 211 heading to 522, but otherwise great, if hot weather. Too bad more didn't make it. I'll probably do another ride Aug ???, whatever the first saturday is. Greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/3/99 HSTA/AMA 6:09:51 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 3 21:32:31 1999 From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Cellphone bans Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 21:31:24 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1577_01BEC59B.66CBFD40 >From the New York Times today -- "BROOKLYN, Ohio -- It is illegal to drive while talking on a cell phone = in this Cleveland suburb, the only place in America with such a ban. = ..." And it goes on into much detail. Apparently a phoner rearended an = elderly motorist at a red light, fueling the law. NHTSA says some = countries have a ban. (And previously we found out NYC forbids taxi = drivers cellphone use.) =20 Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Homes in on telephone booths Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_1577_01BEC59B.66CBFD40
From the New York Times = today=20 --
 
"BROOKLYN, Ohio -- = It is illegal=20 to drive while talking on a cell phone in this Cleveland suburb, the = only place=20 in America with such a ban. ..."  And it goes on into much=20 detail.  Apparently a phoner rearended an elderly motorist at a red = light,=20 fueling the law.  NHTSA says some countries have a ban.  (And=20 previously we found out NYC forbids taxi drivers cellphone use.) =20
 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 = VN750 --> Homes=20 in on telephone booths
Join the AMA.  = Help protect my=20 riding fun.
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_1577_01BEC59B.66CBFD40-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 3 21:56:12 1999 From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: An unusual lesson here Fw: --Gregg's accident-- Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 21:55:05 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 >From the Vulcan list comes a lesson about a delayed accident discovery -- nobody knew he had taken a trip. (I'll be happy to forward condolences.) Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ...snip -----Original Message----- >then long and the short of things is as follows: > >Wed evening around 10PM Gregg was working on his bike just enjoyig himself >while waiting for his girlfriend ... Sometinme shortly after 10 he hopped >on his bike to give the new ignition a test. It was a humid evening and >working in the garage he was wearing only shorts and sneakers. Apparently he >was only "going for a quick spin" (as I'm sure many of us have said to >ourselves before ) so he only threw on a denim jacket over his bare chest and >no helmet. All that is know from then on is appx 1 mile from his home Gregg >hit a racoon in the road near a curve on a back road. He did not loose >control immediatelybut did go off the road at the curve into shoulder-high >cornfield , going over the handlebars while the bike went end over end. Some >time in the tumble the bike came down on Gregg's head, gashing it open and >causing brain hemorraging and slightly cracking 2 vertebra, also his wrist or >thumb is broken and there was severe impact to his chest, probably but >hitting the steering head on the way over the bars. >On top of his injuries noone knew Gregg was missing until his girlfriend came >home near midnight. After finding the lights in the garage on and the door >open and the bike gone, she knew something was amiss. It took [his girlfriend], >friends and family until nearly 6 AM the next morning to find Gregg. Due to >the angle he sliced into the cornfield, only a few cornstalks were knocked >and the crash site was barely visible. Add to that the rain that kicked in >shortly after midnight and finding him almost impossible. The search party >lead by [his girlfriend] split up to cover more ground. Fortunately, shortly after >dawn, Gregg's father saw a mirror on the side of the road and walked off into >the cornfield, finding Gregg nearly 8 hours after the crash. He was still >alive, but only barley. he was lifelined to . . . and is in currently in the Neuro-Critical Care Unit. the doctors >have relieved the swelling in his head and and he is on a respirator. One >of his lungs is partially collapsed and there is serious complications due to >the weather exposure. On the positive side,his heart and other abdominal >organs are functioning well, also they are intenionally keeping him sedated >for a number of reasons, including a world of pain. So in appx 72 hrs the >doctors will allow him to regain consciousness and take him out of CCU. >Gregg is a fighter and will regain consciousness. The only serious >complication aside from potential brain dammage, is his lungs. Greggs blood >oxygen saturation has been erratic. His lungs have not been working properly >taking oxygen into his blood due to trauma ,exposure to the weatherand and >one lung collapsed. --more-- He is 26 years old and recently quit a rock band a few years back and went back to college. ...snip True, he was foolish to ride as he did..and seeing him has driven reality home. I usually wear my helmet 90% of the time but I know now I will never throw my leg over the saddle without it again. Please send all your prayers, meditation, voodoo , ...snip Gregg is a very special person. One of the Good Guys. The world is a better place with him in it. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 3 22:14:19 1999 Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 22:13:35 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Accept-Language: en To: mobacc CC: Dc Cycles Subject: Re: Cellphone bans > mobacc wrote: > > From the New York Times today -- > > "BROOKLYN, Ohio -- It is illegal to drive while talking on a cell > phone in this Cleveland suburb, the only place in America with such a > ban. ..." Good Deal! But sadly, I can hear the opposition now: "Wait a minute. Big Brother should not be telling me when I can and can't use a cellphone. I should have the RIGHT TO CHOOSE. I should have FREEDOM OF CHOICE. The neck support provided by cradling a cellphone next to my head helps support my neck in the event of a collision. This law will make NECK INJURIES far more likely." I'm sure I'm forgetting some part of that tired old party line. :) (Drip, drip, that is sarcasm you hear) Bravo to Brooklyn, Ohio! I think it's a good law. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 3 23:28:29 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 23:28:15 -0400 To: Dale Horstman From: Mike T Subject: Re: Cellphone bans Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Big Brother would be telling us that the phone ban is necessary. I would be claiming freedom of choice..... As a responsible cel phone user (in the car - dial at lights, pay attention to the road) I would find it intrusive for the government to ban my use of the phone. HOWEVER - I have seen too many cagers unable to coordinate driving and the cel phone - so I negate my own libertarian opinion..... At 10:13 PM 7/3/99 , Dale Horstman wrote: >> mobacc wrote: >> >> From the New York Times today -- >> >> "BROOKLYN, Ohio -- It is illegal to drive while talking on a cell >> phone in this Cleveland suburb, the only place in America with such a >> ban. ..." > >Good Deal! But sadly, I can hear the opposition now: > >"Wait a minute. Big Brother should not be telling me when I can >and can't use a cellphone. I should have the RIGHT TO CHOOSE. >I should have FREEDOM OF CHOICE. The neck support provided by >cradling a cellphone next to my head helps support my neck in >the event of a collision. This law will make NECK INJURIES far >more likely." I'm sure I'm forgetting some part of that tired >old party line. :) _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 3 23:39:38 1999 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Cellphone bans Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 23:38:28 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Okay, let's see how many accidents there are when people just start slamming on their brakes and pulling to the shoulder to answer the phone. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike T [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Saturday, July 03, 1999 11:28 PM > To: Dale Horstman > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Cellphone bans > > > Big Brother would be telling us that the phone ban is necessary. I would > be claiming freedom of choice..... > > As a responsible cel phone user (in the car - dial at lights, pay > attention > to the road) I would find it intrusive for the government to ban my use of > the phone. HOWEVER - I have seen too many cagers unable to coordinate > driving and the cel phone - so I negate my own libertarian opinion..... > > At 10:13 PM 7/3/99 , Dale Horstman wrote: > >> mobacc wrote: > >> > >> From the New York Times today -- > >> > >> "BROOKLYN, Ohio -- It is illegal to drive while talking on a cell > >> phone in this Cleveland suburb, the only place in America with such a > >> ban. ..." > > > >Good Deal! But sadly, I can hear the opposition now: > > > >"Wait a minute. Big Brother should not be telling me when I can > >and can't use a cellphone. I should have the RIGHT TO CHOOSE. > >I should have FREEDOM OF CHOICE. The neck support provided by > >cradling a cellphone next to my head helps support my neck in > >the event of a collision. This law will make NECK INJURIES far > >more likely." I'm sure I'm forgetting some part of that tired > >old party line. :) > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 4 21:44:14 1999 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 21:43:52 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Accept-Language: en To: Gary Foreman CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Cellphone bans Gary Foreman wrote: > > Okay, let's see how many accidents there are when people just start slamming > on their brakes and pulling to the shoulder to answer the phone. Yep, I always get a kick out of folks who absolutely can't stand to let a phone ring. Like it's the end of the world if they miss a call. If it's important, they'll call back. :) Horkster, resident grumpy hightech hater. -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 5 05:36:53 1999 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Laughing Gods Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 05:35:00 -0700 >If the clutch is engaged, how do you start it from a >dead stop w/o lurching forward My experience: you don't - it lurches >and having the engine die? Judicious application of throttle (WFO) - cutting back after the lurching stage OTOH - even more fun is a busted clutch cable on a kick start only bike :-( Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 5 19:50:27 1999 From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Off-road AMA Notice Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 19:49:55 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I got the following letter from the AMA. As I'm not a Prince William county resident, I thought I would post it to the list. Dear AMA Member: This message is intended for members who reside in Prince William County, Virginia. If you don't live in the county, we apologize. If you do, please share with you friends who ride but don't belong. Many of you will be familiar with recent efforts in the county that would have limited your right to ride a trail bike or an ATV on your own property. These have been stopped for now. And thanks to a new group in the county, the Prince William Off Road Coalition (PWORC), the debate has moved on to the next level! Imagine for a moment that the county has decided that your recreational needs are legitimate and that they want to provide a legal opportunity. Now pinch yourself! Yes, you are awake and this can be a reality. But only if every enthusiast is involved. If riding a trail bike or an ATV is important to you, your family, your children and your friends, you need to be involved in this new effort. The PWORC will be meeting on July 8, 7:30pm at the Prince of Peace United Methodist Church, 6299 Token Forest Drive (Prince William Parkway to Hoady Road. Turn onto Purcell Road a the first light, make an immediate right onto Token Forest, the church will be on your right). If you can't attend but want to be involved, please call John Meyer (evenings) at 791-2334. John is trying to assemble leadership in every corner of the county. I truly hope you can become involved in this important effort. Sincerely, Eric J. Lundquist, Esq. Senior Legislative Affairs Specialist Government Relation Department elundquist@XXXXXX 614.856.1900 x1225 www.ama-cycle.org LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (58K miles and counting...) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 06:57:40 1999 From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Cc: "'mike@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Laughing Gods Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 06:56:46 -0400 Michael J. wrote... > >OTOH - even more fun is a busted clutch cable on a kick start only bike :-( > Yep yep. There's no stopping us now. Rich <- been known to lane split and deliberately run red lights in desperate situations like the above. '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 09:17:04 1999 From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Gary Foreman" cc: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:07:23 -0400 Subject: RE: Cellphone bans Content-Disposition: inline I personally feel that people who need to be on the phone at all times have a problem. I mean, GOD, in addition to driving while on the phone, do you have to GROCERY SHOP on the phone!!?? - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 09:40:33 1999 From: "Suazo, Tony" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Cell phone bans Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:39:15 -0400 As the technology becomes affordable and available, this may prove to be a moot point. New cellular phones already provide for speaker phone use. If you add in voice recognition, already available from local phone companies, you're 90% there. The last piece would be voice activation of the phone, and you would have a completely hands free phone system. My question is, "How much was spent for legislation of a soon to be archaic law which could have been spent on something like education?". How can we turn this into a motorcycle related topic? When will the helmets with built in phone systems be offered? Of course, I'd hate to forget to turn the phone system off and receive a call in the middle of a turn on 211. Tony CBR600 F3 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 10:01:38 1999 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 10:02:04 -0400 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "DC Cycles" , "Suazo, Tony" Subject: RE: Cell phone bans ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Suazo, Tony" Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:39:15 -0400 >As the technology becomes affordable and available, this may prove to >be a moot point. New cellular phones already provide for speaker phone >use. If you add in voice recognition, already available from local >phone companies, you're 90% there. Tony, I still think there is a danger that the driver/phone user could still not be paying as much attention to driving. Ever turn down the radio in your car when you are looking for a hard-to-find street address? Why is that? :) Ever try to talk on the phone in a noisy room, or a busy office? It's hard, because there are so many distractions around. You have to really concentrate on the phone call and tune out your environment to really be able to listen to the call. Well, driving is a distraction, too. Some drivers tune out rather than pull over. Anyway, I'm sure some drivers are pretty capable of handling a phone call and a steering wheel at the same time. Some drivers are capable of handling a car in excess of 150 mph safely, too. Neither one should be allowed to do that on our public roads, though. Regards, Dale -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 10:28:21 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 10:28:10 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Heat Warning and A/C First of all.... Severe Weather Alert ...EXCESSIVE HEAT WARNING FOR TODAY... TEMPERATURES THIS AFTERNOON WILL REACH 100 TO 105 DEGREES.THESE TEMPERATURES WILL COMBINE WITH HIGH HUMIDITY TO PRODUCE HEAT INDICIES AROUND 115 DEGREES. This from the Yahoo weather pages. Now...since it was too hot to wear my jacket today, I was thinking about bike A/C. Anyone ever tried it? Small A/C compressor pumping cool air through a tube into your jacket / leathers / jumpsuit. It wouldn't take much to keep you cool on days like this..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 10:42:48 1999 Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 8:41 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:Cellphone bans X-Attachments: body.htm --=_sb1999/07/06-12-42-27-371=_sb Yay!!! Way to go Brooklyn, Ohio! Tom <---- can't stand cellular drivers '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Cellphone bans Author: mobacc@XXXXXX Date: 7/3/99 9:31 PM >From the New York Times today -- "BROOKLYN, Ohio -- It is illegal to drive while talking on a cell phone in this Cleveland suburb, the only place in America with such a ban. ..." And it goes o n into much detail. Apparently a phoner rearended an elderly motorist at a red light, fueling the law. NHTSA says some countries have a ban. (And previously we found out NYC forbids taxi drivers cellphone use.) Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Homes in on telephone booths Join the AMA. 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Anyone ever tried it? Small A/C compressor pumping cool air through a tube into your jacket / leathers / jumpsuit. It wouldn't take much to keep you cool on days like this..... >> Is this something that is actually available? Never heard of it. Sounds like a good idea to me. More info please. :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 10:48:32 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 10:48:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C At 10:43 AM 7/6/99 , ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >Is this something that is actually available? Never heard of it. Sounds >like a good idea to me. More info please. :-) This is a bit more of a dream than a reality, but I don't see why it wouldn't be doable. I will start my quest for small a/c compressors today.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 11:05:32 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 11:04:40 -0400 To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C At 10:28 AM 7/6/99 , Troutman wrote: >Severe Weather Alert > ...EXCESSIVE HEAT WARNING FOR TODAY... Good thing I rode today! Next question is whether or not to try the Aerostich on the way home. With the summer windscreen dumping air down the jacket and inflating it, with sleeves open and ducting air in, and with a wet bandanna around my neck it might be okay long enough to get home. >Now...since it was too hot to wear my jacket today, I was thinking about >bike A/C. Anyone ever tried it? Small A/C compressor pumping cool air >through a tube into your jacket / leathers / jumpsuit. It wouldn't take >much to keep you cool on days like this..... I think running an A/C compressor off the bike would be the biggest challenge. You could pump ice-chilled water through a tube-vest for as long as the ice holds out. There's wet vests, ice-pack vests, phase-change vests (kind of like ice-pack vests), air-cooled vests (military), and battery-powered chilled liquid vests (military & contaminated-environment) The question is how much do you want to spend! Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 11:13:45 1999 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Heat Warning and A/C Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 08:12:59 -0700 It's already been done... look into the personal cooling systems used by Nascar and Formula 1 drivers.... Don't know how big the compressor is though. It also cools the helmet. Basically, it flows chilled fluid through tubes sewn into their racing suits. Brian > -----Original Message----- > > This is a bit more of a dream than a reality, but I don't see why it > wouldn't be doable. I will start my quest for small a/c > compressors today.... > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 11:20:06 1999 From: "Ken" To: , "Troutman" Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:17:46 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Well actually NASCAR tried something similar once, pumping water through = a cool suit, with the intention of keeping the driver cool. = Unfortunately even with the scoop diverting air through the excganger = the water in the suit ended up boiling and scalding the driver. = Ouuuch!!!!!! (Still waiting for his bike to be done at the shop ;(....) Ken S. ICQ# 32289311 HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Troutman To: Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 10:28 AM Subject: Heat Warning and A/C > First of all.... >=20 > Severe Weather Alert=20 >=20 > ...EXCESSIVE HEAT WARNING FOR TODAY... TEMPERATURES THIS AFTERNOON = WILL > REACH 100 TO 105 DEGREES.THESE TEMPERATURES WILL COMBINE WITH HIGH = HUMIDITY > TO PRODUCE HEAT INDICIES AROUND 115 DEGREES.=20 >=20 > This from the Yahoo weather pages. >=20 > Now...since it was too hot to wear my jacket today, I was thinking = about > bike A/C. Anyone ever tried it? Small A/C compressor pumping cool = air > through a tube into your jacket / leathers / jumpsuit. It wouldn't = take > much to keep you cool on days like this..... >=20 > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman=20 > http://www.troutman.org >=20 > '97 Honda VFR 750 >=20 >=20 >=20 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 11:20:31 1999 From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:20:06 EDT Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX yeah! this might actually get me into leathers when it's this hot instead of riding around like an idiot with nothing but a 3/4 helmet and some fingerless gloves :D Marcy In a message dated 7/6/99 10:51:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX writes: << << Now...since it was too hot to wear my jacket today, I was thinking about bike A/C. Anyone ever tried it? Small A/C compressor pumping cool air through a tube into your jacket / leathers / jumpsuit. It wouldn't take much to keep you cool on days like this..... >> Is this something that is actually available? Never heard of it. Sounds like a good idea to me. More info please. :-) >> From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 11:25:52 1999 From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:24:16 EDT Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/6/99 10:53:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: << This is a bit more of a dream than a reality, but I don't see why it wouldn't be doable. I will start my quest for small a/c compressors today.... >> I have a small window fan in my house: it has two fans side-by-side and is constructed so that one side "accordions" so you can fit it tightly across the width of the window sill and then you pull the window itself down until it rests on top of the fan - it basically makes a sort of lame seal ... but then you can set both fans to blow air either in or out or in opposite of same directions ... at any rate, in addition it has a "comfort control" knob that allows you to set the airflow to "cooler" and it does actually get colder - I'm not sure how as I can't see any kind of unit to provide cooling (the whole thing just plugs into the wall) but I wonder if something similar couldn't be hooked up to a bike battery ... the brand is Holmes marcy From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 11:26:51 1999 From: "Ken" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: You just have to love Northern Virginia Yuppies.( VERY Long about Patriot HD) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:23:45 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 On a personal note, I thought the place stank of a bunch of used car = salesman, anc couldnt give a hoot, but I thought this was funny. Harley noise prompts council rumblings=20 City to consider revoking permit for dealership=20 By ROBERT WHITE=20 Journal staff writer=20 Pressured by resident complaints about motorcycle noise, Fairfax City = officials this week moved closer to revoking the zoning permit for the = city's 3-month-old Harley Davidson dealership.=20 Taking away Patriot Harley Davidson's special-use permit, as the City = Council could do after a hearing next month, would put the shop out of = business.=20 Council members said they do not plan to take the issue that far, but = they agreed Tuesday night to start the revocation process to make clear = to owner Robert C. DeHaven that he needs to do something to tone down = the noise.=20 "The intent is not to close the shop down or to harm the business in any = way," Councilman Rob Lederer said. "The intent is to preserve the = quality of life for the surrounding residential communities."=20 DeHaven reacted angrily to the decision, saying he has followed all = conditions of the special-use permit granted by the City Council last = May. He acknowledged the store generates noise, but asserted that should = be expected from a shop that sells and repairs motorcycles.=20 A major bone of contention is the noise and traffic generated by = motorcycle rallies, such as the annual Memorial Day "Rolling Thunder" = event, in which thousands of Harley riders descend upon the Vietnam = Veterans Memorial in downtown Washington. Patriot Harley Davidson played = host to local riders for the May 30 caravan.=20 The shop, which opened in March on a three-acre site on Lee Highway near = Fairfax Circle, also held a grand opening festival Saturday, drawing = Harley enthusiasts from across Northern Virginia. Residents complained = that parked motorcycles lined the streets from the shop to Fairfax High = School, a half-mile away.=20 "We don't want someone to turn Fairfax City into a mecca for cyclists = from all over the region," said Carl Hemmer, a former council member who = lives in the Great Oaks neighborhood behind the shop. "[DeHaven] is = trying to build Nissan Pavilion East in the middle of Fairfax City."=20 Neighbors have lodged dozens of complaints with council members, and = several spoke out against the shop at Tuesday's council meeting. In = response, the council voted 5-0 to begin the process of revoking = DeHaven's permit.=20 To get approval for his 20,000-square-foot shop, DeHaven agreed to hold = no more than six rallies a year, restrict the store's hours of = operations and build about $100,000 of ancillary improvements in the = area, including a pedestrian bridge over a nearby creek.=20 DeHaven, a lifelong Harley rider who in 1981 founded Quality Systems = Inc., a Fairfax high-technology firm, said the city's actions are = puzzling because the motorcycle shop has never been accused of violating = the terms of the agreement.=20 "You'd think there'd be some due process here, where they inform you = that you're in violation [of the permit] and say, `You either cure this = or we're going to revoke your permit,'" he said. "I've never been cited = for being in violation of anything."=20 DeHaven has 10 days to protest Tuesday's decision and said he will do = so. An appeal would lead to a July 27 public hearing before the council. = Council members said they hope to work out a solution to the noise = problem before then. Several of them said yesterday they will ask = DeHaven to find another site to stage rallies or consider limiting him = to just one or two events a year.=20 "What I would like to see is curtailing the noise and the number of = rallies and open houses that he intends to hold," said Councilman Scott = Silverthorne, who strongly supported the Harley shop last year as part = of the city's redevelopment of the Lee Highway area.=20 "Six [rallies] a year is a lot. They have the big one on Memorial Day, = and I'm not so certain they need more than that."=20 DeHaven said he understands the noise concerns but does not favor = reducing the number of rallies, which he said are an integral part of = any Harley Davidson dealership.=20 "Not only are they typical, they are mandated by the motor company," he = said. "You have to be able to do some of these things."=20 Saturday's grand opening, which featured live music and free food, = raised more than $16,000 for charity, DeHaven said.=20 "We're being good corporate neighbors," he added.=20 The shop is one of only a handful of Harley Davidson dealerships in the = Washington area.=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- Ken S. ICQ# 32289311 HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 11:31:20 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 11:25:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Cool Vests, etc. Here's some cool vest info, etc. I've gathered over the years. The products from Wright Safety and ILC Dover look pretty nice, at a reasonable price. Canadian military, air-cooling vest http://www.dciem.dnd.ca/DCIEM/Fact-Sheets/General/G-13.html The Vegas Vest (water-soaked) http://homepage.usr.com/e/edwarvel/ (link not currently working) Phase-change vest ($250-400) http://www.wrightsafety.com/showcase/thermalwear/ Ice Pak vest ($209), Ice-chilled water circulated ($285) http://www.ilcdover.com/Industry/Safety/coolvest.htm Misty Mate, water mister ($20-50) http://www.mistymate.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 11:34:45 1999 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:34:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The joy of locks, part 2 Well, brian was kind enough to come over this weekend, and have a look at my bike. I can tell you folks one thing: Suzuki's anti-theft bolts _SUCK_. I really fail to see the logic behind these things. I mean, if someone's going to steal the bike, theyre not going to waste time removing your ignition - theyre going to pop the steering lock, and throw it into a van/ pickup. At any rate, these bastards are break-away bolts, so the only way to get them out is to drill them out. I have a drill, but I dont have one of the "easy-out" tools (the ones that you shove down the hole so you can remove the bolt). Even better, the bolts that hold my clip-ons in place are seized/fused (not sure what you call it when crap builds up on em). I'm going to douse them with WD-40 tonight, and hope that tommorow they are semi-cooperative. Yes, yes, WD-40 isn't a lubricant, its a penatrating oil, but thats what I need.. to get the gunk off. Anyway. With the clip-ons removed, I'll try to take the ignition to Cycle Sport (still attached to the top triple clamp), and bite the $20 bullet to have them drill that crap out. Joy. Alex. P.S. Thanks again brian! Appreciate the help! From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 11:40:24 1999 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:40:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C On Tue, 6 Jul 1999 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > yeah! this might actually get me into leathers when it's this hot instead of > riding around like an idiot with nothing but a 3/4 helmet and some fingerless > gloves :D > > Marcy I bet you get odd looks from your neighbors. "Damnit, bob, avert your eyes! Marcy Godiva is riding again!" Alex. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 11:54:41 1999 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: The joy of locks, part 2 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 08:54:30 -0700 > -----Original Message----- : Suzuki's anti-theft > bolts _SUCK_. They're not bad as long as you have the right tool and someone before you didn't strip them (we had both against us) > At any rate, these bastards are break-away bolts, so the only > way to get > them out is to drill them out. I have a drill, but I dont > have one of the > "easy-out" tools (the ones that you shove down the hole so > you can remove > the bolt). Your friendly Sears has a set of them for $10.. :P Be careful though, they're brittle. > Anyway. With the clip-ons removed, I'll try to take the ignition to > Cycle Sport (still attached to the top triple clamp), and bite the $20 > bullet to have them drill that crap out. Take them the entire thing... they shouldn't care one way or another. I must say though... the bolts on that bike felt like Collin (who I think is lurking) tightened them... Gorilla boy thinks every bolt should be tightened to creaking point... ugh. Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 12:01:09 1999 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 12:02:06 -0400 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" , "Ken" Subject: Re: Northern Virginia Yuppies ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Ken" Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:23:45 -0400 >On a personal note, I thought the place stank of a bunch of used car >salesman, anc couldnt give a hoot, but I thought this was funny. >Harley noise prompts council rumblings > > >City to consider revoking permit for dealership Part of me wants to cheer because the "Loud Pipes Save Lives" crowd is really hurting themselves here by threatening the existence of a new Dealership. Bikes that are annoyingly loud cause problems just like this. But another part of me is troubled by this. Would the genteel residents of Fairfax object if Coleman Posersports just up the road put on a similar rally? Is the issue really noise, or is it having us "dirty bikers" seen everywhere? Horkster, worried a little bit -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 12:09:58 1999 From: "Ken" To: , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: Northern Virginia Yuppies Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 12:05:51 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Dale, thats what scares me too, its not going to matter whether its Loud = pipes on Harleys , or sqids blipping the throttle waiting at = intersections, the Fairfax Volvo crowd isnt going to like anyhting that = disturbs their concept of idyllic suburban life....., Its not very = different than the earlier post about being able to ride ATV's on your = own property in down in Prince William. =20 Ken S. ICQ# 32289311 HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV > But another part of me is troubled by this. Would the genteel > residents of Fairfax object if Coleman Posersports just up the=20 > road put on a similar rally? Is the issue really noise, or is > it having us "dirty bikers" seen everywhere? >=20 > Horkster, worried a little bit From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 12:18:14 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 12:18:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Harley Dealership in trouble The best thing to do here is to support this dealership any way you can. Start by contacting the very friendly Mayor Mason - http://www.ci.fairfax.va.us/council/mayor.html Let him know that you approve of the dealership, and give him a lot of reasons to support you and other bikers..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 12:22:48 1999 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:22:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Northern Virginia Yuppies To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Part of me wants to cheer because the "Loud Pipes Save Lives" > crowd is really hurting themselves here by threatening the > existence of a new Dealership. Bikes that are annoyingly loud > cause problems just like this. While I was up in Connecticut recently, I stopped by to visit my aunt. Her husband (but not my uncle... long story) asked me to explain why the motorcycles next door to them had to be so loud. I went out and took a look. Yep, straight pipe Harleys. I tried to explain to him about how some people feel that loud pipes save lives, and others (like myself) don't agree and think they ruin the image of motorcyclists. He kept saying, "Yeah, but why do they have to be so loud first thing in the morning?" Finally I told him that if it really gets bad and he is going to do something, not to complain about the motorcycles specifically, but to rather about the noise. I reminded him about how quiet mine was and told him that motorcycles aren't the problem; illegally loud pipes are, so be sure he doesn't get motorcycles banned (otherwise I'd never be able to visit them again). They live in a beautiful ocean community and I could just see them enacting a motorcycle ban there if the problem continues. Louis === Louis Caplan Alexandria, VA 1998 Kawasaki Concours 11th place, Capitol 1000 "Mean Green Scream Machine" Proud Sponsor of Joe Denton http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 12:31:53 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 12:31:38 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Harley Dealership - update If you want to support the dealership, try them directly : http://patriothd.com/ or email : PatriotHD@XXXXXX The City Council doesn't seem to have an email listing, but I believe the mayor serves on the council, so just email him directly..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 13:05:50 1999 Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 13:00:28 -0400 From: Larry Reynolds X-Accept-Language: en To: Ken CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: You just have to love Northern Virginia Yuppies.( VERY Long about Patriot HD) Ken wrote: > On a personal note, I thought the place stank of a bunch of used car salesman, anc couldnt give a hoot, but I thought this was funny. Harley noise prompts council rumblings Listers.. I feel I need to respond to Ken's letter in that my experiences their has never been short of pleasent. Every time I have visited Patriot, I have been treated with kindness and courtesy. An example.. I noticed that they had a Coke machine with no dollar changer. So I went up to the desk for change and they instead fliped me $.10 with a smile. Intially perplexed, I was told that Cokes were 10 cent (yup, 12 oz cans). Any questions asked by this newbie were answered with courtesy. I was given a nice tour of the place and the wrench gave me a very nice show of the dyno facility. The lounge is comfortable with a large format tv with a selection of biker videos for viewing. The place is clean and well stocked from my observation. There are at least two other HD dealers alot closer to where live, but I have no problem going over to Patriot. As for the noise problem, the Fairfax City Council members are being very unreasonable in their approach. While agree that the residents and shop owners have a legitimate gripe, its unreasonable to expect the store owner to control its customers actions out of his store. Maybe a little law enforcement would help here. I think, from my own observation there, if bikers would leave the parking lot with a little consideration and without accelerating like many do, it would help a lot. The Patriot customers shold be made aware of the situation and drive there with some consideration of the same I believe that if Patriot is forced to close from the action of the Fairfax City Council, we locals will lose a lot and all of us will lose a little.... Larry '99 1200 XLC From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 13:07:32 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 12:56:57 -0400 To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: You just have to love Northern Virginia Yuppies.( VERY Long about Patriot HD) >City to consider revoking permit for dealership > >By ROBERT WHITE >Journal staff writer > >Pressured by resident complaints about motorcycle noise, Fairfax City >officials this week moved closer to revoking the zoning permit for the >city's 3-month-old Harley Davidson dealership. And bikers with loud pipes will STILL fail to grasp that they hurt us all with their noise. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 13:07:33 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 13:01:49 -0400 To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Northern Virginia Yuppies At 12:02 PM 7/6/99 , Horkster wrote: >But another part of me is troubled by this. Would the genteel >residents of Fairfax object if Coleman Posersports just up the >road put on a similar rally? Is the issue really noise, or is >it having us "dirty bikers" seen everywhere? The noise makes them look, then they may or may not like what they see. Many people think all motorcycles are loud because the only ones that attract their attention is the loud ones. Whether they like the people or not, no one likes the continuous racket (unless they're part of it). Hell, I got tired of loud bikers on Memorial Day weekend. In front of our house ... back and forth, back and forth .. all day long. Why these people thought I shouldn't be allowed to talk with my wife while standing in my front yard is beyond me. Besides, any rally at Coleman would have signifcantly lower noise levels. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 13:07:55 1999 Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 13:04:38 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: Where to buy?? To: DC-Cycles X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-MSMail-priority: Normal I heard that Banzai Motorsports has been sold recently and that the deep discounting they used to offer for mail-order is now a thing of the past. True? Anybody have a favorite mail-order house they use that are reliable and not very expensive? To give you an idea of what I'm looking for, I used to be able to buy a Honda-Line oil filter for $6 at Banzai. Please respond directly to me as I'm not on the list right now. Thanks. Todd From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 13:17:56 1999 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Heat Warning and A/C Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 10:17:31 -0700 I believe Arai had an A/C helmet about 8 - 10 years ago - it had a solid state heat pump that extracted heat from inside and routed it to a finned aluminum heat sink on top of the helmet. I saw one at Coleman's on display with a temp probe inside the helmet reading 55 degrees (showroom was in the mid 70s) Cost at the time was about $450 and it was somewhat heavy Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 13:40:54 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 13:39:00 -0400 To: Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Where to buy?? >Anybody have a favorite mail-order house they use that are reliable and not >very expensive? To give you an idea of what I'm looking for, I used to be >able to buy a Honda-Line oil filter for $6 at Banzai. I've been using Competition Accessories for accessories and BMW dealer parts. Overall, they've treated me okay. Dennis Kirk has some surprisingly good prices, or should I say that CA's prices have risen and DK's seem to have dropped. For Honda dealer items I've been going to MR Cycles in North Carolina, but I hear good things about Honda of Milpitas (that was on the ST1100 list so you may already know about them). yes, I still remember I have t-shirts at your place! Chris From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 14:04:02 1999 From: "Suazo, Tony" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Cell phone bans (final comments - couldn't help it) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 14:02:41 -0400 Dale, >I still think there is a danger that the driver/phone user could >still not be paying as much attention to driving. The only problem with driving with a cell phone in the car is using the little hand held devices that you need to hold to your ear because your forced to drive either one handed or to cradle it by kinking your neck. I've driven in cars with hands free units. There is no comparison. Using a speaker phone in your car is no different than having a conversation with a passenger's) sitting in your car. >You have to really concentrate on the phone call and tune out your environment to really be able to listen >to the call. Ever turn around to a group of people in your car all trying to give directions at the same time to tell them to "shut up"? >I'm sure some drivers are pretty capable of handling a >phone call and a steering wheel at the same time. Some drivers >are capable of handling a car in excess of 150 mph safely, too. >Neither one should be allowed to do that on our public roads, >though. Its too easy to say, "Let's ban this or that" because someone doesn't like something. Ban guns. Ban motorcycles. I don't belong to the NRA, but I do belong to the AMA. Both have the same argument. If you allow passage of legislation to restrict, you open the door for losing your privilege. Obviously, the associations will argue from the opposite extreme. The solution is usually somewhere in the middle. The problem is with the hand held units not the hands free units. Get rid of those like 2 stroke motorcycles, three wheel ATV's, and submachine guns. Sorry for the bandwidth. Slow work week. I promise these will be my final comments on this subject. Tony CBR600 F3 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 14:12:52 1999 Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 12:11 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:You just have to love Northern Virginia Yuppies.( VERY Lo This is complete and total bullshit brought to you by the grand folk that removed Disney from our future here. There are plenty of car dealerships that line Rt 50 in that area that I am sure generate a good amount of noise as well but you don't see them being hassled. And what's wrong with people getting together for a common cause? No rallies? Give me a freakin' break. Hell... if the shop closes we should have the entire list make it a point of holding a rallie in that lot every weekend! Another reason for me to stay clear of East Berlin.. I mean Fairfax City / Fairfax Cnty. Bring the shop to Arlington! With all the loud music coming from every yo-boy's car the shop would a) surely NOT be bothering any residents (how could they be bothered anymore) and b) bring the sweet rumble of American iron back to the county. Tom <--- ok... so I'm having a bad day '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: You just have to love Northern Virginia Yuppies.( VERY Long Author: shephar1@XXXXXX (Ken) Date: 7/6/99 11:23 AM On a personal note, I thought the place stank of a bunch of used car salesman, a nc couldnt give a hoot, but I thought this was funny. Harley noise prompts council rumblings City to consider revoking permit for dealership By ROBERT WHITE Journal staff writer Pressured by resident complaints about motorcycle noise, Fairfax City officials this week moved closer to revoking the zoning permit for the city's 3-month-old Harley Davidson dealership. Taking away Patriot Harley Davidson's special-use permit, as the City Council co uld do after a hearing next month, would put the shop out of business. Council members said they do not plan to take the issue that far, but they agree d Tuesday night to start the revocation process to make clear to owner Robert C. DeHaven that he needs to do something to tone down the noise. "The intent is not to close the shop down or to harm the business in any way," C ouncilman Rob Lederer said. "The intent is to preserve the quality of life for t he surrounding residential communities." DeHaven reacted angrily to the decision, saying he has followed all conditions o f the special-use permit granted by the City Council last May. He acknowledged t he store generates noise, but asserted that should be expected from a shop that sells and repairs motorcycles. A major bone of contention is the noise and traffic generated by motorcycle rall ies, such as the annual Memorial Day "Rolling Thunder" event, in which thousands of Harley riders descend upon the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in downtown Washing ton. Patriot Harley Davidson played host to local riders for the May 30 caravan. The shop, which opened in March on a three-acre site on Lee Highway near Fairfax Circle, also held a grand opening festival Saturday, drawing Harley enthusiasts from across Northern Virginia. Residents complained that parked motorcycles lin ed the streets from the shop to Fairfax High School, a half-mile away. "We don't want someone to turn Fairfax City into a mecca for cyclists from all o ver the region," said Carl Hemmer, a former council member who lives in the Grea t Oaks neighborhood behind the shop. "[DeHaven] is trying to build Nissan Pavili on East in the middle of Fairfax City." Neighbors have lodged dozens of complaints with council members, and several spo ke out against the shop at Tuesday's council meeting. In response, the council v oted 5-0 to begin the process of revoking DeHaven's permit. To get approval for his 20,000-square-foot shop, DeHaven agreed to hold no more than six rallies a year, restrict the store's hours of operations and build abou t $100,000 of ancillary improvements in the area, including a pedestrian bridge over a nearby creek. DeHaven, a lifelong Harley rider who in 1981 founded Quality Systems Inc., a Fai rfax high-technology firm, said the city's actions are puzzling because the moto rcycle shop has never been accused of violating the terms of the agreement. "You'd think there'd be some due process here, where they inform you that you're in violation [of the permit] and say, `You either cure this or we're going to r evoke your permit,'" he said. "I've never been cited for being in violation of a nything." DeHaven has 10 days to protest Tuesday's decision and said he will do so. An app eal would lead to a July 27 public hearing before the council. Council members said they hope to work out a solution to the noise problem befor e then. Several of them said yesterday they will ask DeHaven to find another sit e to stage rallies or consider limiting him to just one or two events a year. "What I would like to see is curtailing the noise and the number of rallies and open houses that he intends to hold," said Councilman Scott Silverthorne, who st rongly supported the Harley shop last year as part of the city's redevelopment o f the Lee Highway area. "Six [rallies] a year is a lot. They have the big one on Memorial Day, and I'm n ot so certain they need more than that." DeHaven said he understands the noise concerns but does not favor reducing the n umber of rallies, which he said are an integral part of any Harley Davidson deal ership. "Not only are they typical, they are mandated by the motor company," he said. "Y ou have to be able to do some of these things." Saturday's grand opening, which featured live music and free food, raised more t han $16,000 for charity, DeHaven said. "We're being good corporate neighbors," he added. The shop is one of only a handful of Harley Davidson dealerships in the Washingt on area. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken S. ICQ# 32289311 HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 15:08:55 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 15:07:30 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Mayor's response to Harley letter.... Cc: jfrankli@XXXXXX Added bonus - he cc'd all of the council members. >From: jmason@XXXXXX >X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.30.00.7 >Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 15:04:41 -0400 >To: >Cc: , , , > , , > , >Subject: RE: Harley Davidson Dealership > >Mike Troutman - > >Thank you for your note. It is important to understand that the Council >does perceive that the conditions associated with the Special Use Permit >(SUP) were violated. For example, one condition prohibited activities prior >to 9 am; the city has cited the dealership for violating this. > >Nevertheless, we are anxious to resolve the neighbors' concerns in a manner >that will be satisfactory to both the dealership and the neighbors. >Hopefully, this will be accomplished before the end of the month. > >John Mason >Mayor >City of Fairfax > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mike Troutman [mailto:mtroutma@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 12:23 PM >> To: John Mason >> Subject: Harley Davidson Dealership >> >> >> Mayor Mason - >> >> I am sure you aware that the City Council is debating whether or not to >> take away the zoning approval for the Harley Davidson dealership >> in Fairfax >> City. I am not a Harley Davidson rider, nor do I patronize that >> particular >> dealership, but I urge you to help this commercial enterprise to continue >> serving the public. The owner has stayed well within his limits, as >> imposed by the council. To now change the rules is completely unfair, and >> unjustified. >> >> All of the bikers that roll into town for service and rallies spend their >> money at local businesses - whether eating or just buying gasoline. Don't >> let the media's negative portrayal of bikers close this business. We >> aren't quite what the movies have us pegged as. >> >> _________________________________________ >> Michael J. Troutman >> Network Development Manager >> Wheat International Communications Corporation >> Reston, Virginia >> 703.262.9172 dir >> 703.262.9130 fax >> >> >> > ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 15:10:23 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 15:07:36 -0400 To: "'DC Cycles'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Cell phone bans (final comments - couldn't help it) >The only problem with driving with a cell phone in the car is using the >little hand held devices that you need to hold to your ear because your >forced to drive either one handed or to cradle it by kinking your neck. >I've driven in cars with hands free units. There is no comparison. Using a >speaker phone in your car is no different than having a conversation with a >passenger's) sitting in your car. Except the passengers can see what's going on, and would expect you to ignore them at certain times (idiots involved in auto-follies ahead of you). The people on the other end of the phone conversation don't know that, and think they've lost touch with you. I've experienced this several times when driving a radio-dispatched car -- I'd have to drop the mike and steer around the obstacle(s) while listening to the dispatcher say "hello" ... "hello" ... "are you there?" Now imagine doing that with a customer or your boss on the line - sure it can be done, but there's a natural reluctance to do so. > >You have to really concentrate on the phone call and tune out your >environment to really be able to listen >to the call. > >Ever turn around to a group of people in your car all trying to give >directions at the same time to tell them to "shut up"? Sure. Ever done that to your boss on the phone, or a customer, or someone who doesn't know you're in your car (they can't see you, after all). >Its too easy to say, "Let's ban this or that" because someone doesn't like >something. Ban guns. Ban motorcycles. Quite right. The problem is two-fold -- getting people to realize they aren't perfect, and getting them to do something about it. So many people are causing so many problems by trying to talk on a phone and drive at the same time that other people want to restrict them. The proposed legislation wouldn't exist if cell phone drivers didn't cause problems. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 15:13:15 1999 From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 15:08:58 -0400 Subject: RE: Heat Warning and A/C Content-Disposition: inline I believe Arai had an A/C helmet about 8 - 10 years ago - it had a solid state heat pump that extracted heat from inside and routed it to a finned aluminum heat sink on top of the helmet. \ Yes I had a friend who put a deposit down on one and was never able to take delivery on it. Apparently they were never able to get the bugs worked out on the thing. Too bad since it was a "cool" idea. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 15:30:16 1999 From: "Suazo, Tony" To: "'jmason@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'PatriotHD@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" , "'Suazo, Lori (Work)'" Subject: Patriot Harley Davidson Dealership Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 15:12:15 -0400 Dear Mayor Mason, I recently found out that the council is planning to hold a hearing to determine whether or not to revoke the special use permit from Patriot Harley Davidson. I am surprised that the council would consider going to such extreme measures without perusing other alternatives. I am a resident of Vienna, and I am a motorcycling enthusiast. Although I do not own a Harley Davidson motorcycle, I am a member of the American Motorcyclist Association http://www.ama-cycle.org/, and I vote. I live in close proximity to the dealership, and I have noticed a larger volume of motorcycles in the area. I welcome this. I believe the presence of additional motorcycles in the neighborhood helps to increase car driver awareness of motorcycles. Since the opening of the dealership, I feel safer driving in my neighborhood and neighboring communities. I think that the noise level generated on a day by day basis would not be more excessive than the sounds of passing dump trucks or the roaring music from some passing vehicles. Living by Oakton High school, I would not think that these levels would be more than those generated by the Fairfax High School marching band or their sports announcement system. I'm sure that the day to day operation of the dealership is not the problem. It seems that the council is acting on complaints from rallies sponsored by the dealership which are only held a few times a year. The noise levels that are causing the complaints are coming from a small number of motorcycles with modified pipes. I'm certain that laws are already on the books that address acceptable noise levels generated by moving vehicles. I'm certain that these could be enforced by the Fairfax police. I'm certain that these citations would generate additional revenue for both the City of Fairfax and Fairfax County. And, I'm certain that this enforcement would reduce the number of violators as effectively as the cameras used to deter red light runners at nearby Fairfax Circle. Please do not take any action to revoke the special use permit from Patriot Harley Davidson until other alternatives to resolve the noise complaints have been exhausted. I thank you in advance for supporting the motorcycling community. Sincerely, Martin A. Suazo Vienna, VA From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 16:06:31 1999 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:06:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C I know how you feel. I wore my 1/2 shell for the first time in about 9 years. The wind noise sure does get loud when you're going over 45mph, but the peripheral vision benefits over a full face helmet are quite an eye opener. On Tue, 6 Jul 1999 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > yeah! this might actually get me into leathers when it's this hot instead of > riding around like an idiot with nothing but a 3/4 helmet and some fingerless > gloves :D > > Marcy ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 16:15:43 1999 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:15:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Northern Virginia Yuppies I would be more then happy to sign any petitiosns that would shut down Colemann Power Sport. Hell, they don't even have to hold a rally. Dirty Bikers? That wasn't dirt that was InstaDirt new from Revlon. On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Horkster wrote: > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Ken" > Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:23:45 -0400 > > >On a personal note, I thought the place stank of a bunch of used car > >salesman, anc couldnt give a hoot, but I thought this was funny. > >Harley noise prompts council rumblings > > > > > >City to consider revoking permit for dealership > > Part of me wants to cheer because the "Loud Pipes Save Lives" > crowd is really hurting themselves here by threatening the > existence of a new Dealership. Bikes that are annoyingly loud > cause problems just like this. > > But another part of me is troubled by this. Would the genteel > residents of Fairfax object if Coleman Posersports just up the > road put on a similar rally? Is the issue really noise, or is > it having us "dirty bikers" seen everywhere? > > Horkster, worried a little bit > > > -- > Dale Horstman (The Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR > 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) > > "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet > sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." > - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 16:24:38 1999 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 15:59:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-9 X-Juno-Att: 0 From: Louis E Tweed I am looking for a small 12volt a/c unit to use with a motorcycle camping trailer. Any ideas? Someone told me that such a device was used or offered aftermarket for VW beetles but I have had no luck finding one. Louis >bike A/C. Anyone ever tried it? Small A/C compressor pumping cool >air >through a tube into your jacket / leathers / jumpsuit. It wouldn't >take >much to keep you cool on days like this..... > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 16:32:04 1999 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:31:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:You just have to love Northern Virginia Yuppies.( VERY Lo Wow, you actually want Disney? You must be having a bad day. I really doubt that car dealerships put out anywhere near as much noise as a bike dealership. On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Tom Zell wrote: > This is complete and total bullshit brought to you by the grand folk that > removed Disney from our future here. There are plenty of car dealerships that > line Rt 50 in that area that I am sure generate a good amount of noise as well > but you don't see them being hassled. > > And what's wrong with people getting together for a common cause? No rallies? > Give me a freakin' break. Hell... if the shop closes we should have the entire > list make it a point of holding a rallie in that lot every weekend! > > Another reason for me to stay clear of East Berlin.. I mean Fairfax City / > Fairfax Cnty. > > Bring the shop to Arlington! With all the loud music coming from every yo-boy's > car the shop would a) surely NOT be bothering any residents (how could they be > bothered anymore) and b) bring the sweet rumble of American iron back to the > county. > > Tom <--- ok... so I'm having a bad day > '86 VFR750 > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > Subject: You just have to love Northern Virginia Yuppies.( VERY Long > Author: shephar1@XXXXXX (Ken) > Date: 7/6/99 11:23 AM > > On a personal note, I thought the place stank of a bunch of used car salesman, a > nc couldnt give a hoot, but I thought this was funny. > Harley noise prompts council rumblings > > > City to consider revoking permit for dealership > > By ROBERT WHITE > Journal staff writer > > Pressured by resident complaints about motorcycle noise, Fairfax City officials > this week moved closer to revoking the zoning permit for the city's 3-month-old > Harley Davidson dealership. > > Taking away Patriot Harley Davidson's special-use permit, as the City Council co > uld do after a hearing next month, would put the shop out of business. > > Council members said they do not plan to take the issue that far, but they agree > d Tuesday night to start the revocation process to make clear to owner Robert C. > DeHaven that he needs to do something to tone down the noise. > > "The intent is not to close the shop down or to harm the business in any way," C > ouncilman Rob Lederer said. "The intent is to preserve the quality of life for t > he surrounding residential communities." > > DeHaven reacted angrily to the decision, saying he has followed all conditions o > f the special-use permit granted by the City Council last May. He acknowledged t > he store generates noise, but asserted that should be expected from a shop that > sells and repairs motorcycles. > > A major bone of contention is the noise and traffic generated by motorcycle rall > ies, such as the annual Memorial Day "Rolling Thunder" event, in which thousands > of Harley riders descend upon the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in downtown Washing > ton. Patriot Harley Davidson played host to local riders for the May 30 caravan. > > The shop, which opened in March on a three-acre site on Lee Highway near Fairfax > Circle, also held a grand opening festival Saturday, drawing Harley enthusiasts > from across Northern Virginia. Residents complained that parked motorcycles lin > ed the streets from the shop to Fairfax High School, a half-mile away. > > "We don't want someone to turn Fairfax City into a mecca for cyclists from all o > ver the region," said Carl Hemmer, a former council member who lives in the Grea > t Oaks neighborhood behind the shop. "[DeHaven] is trying to build Nissan Pavili > on East in the middle of Fairfax City." > > Neighbors have lodged dozens of complaints with council members, and several spo > ke out against the shop at Tuesday's council meeting. In response, the council v > oted 5-0 to begin the process of revoking DeHaven's permit. > > To get approval for his 20,000-square-foot shop, DeHaven agreed to hold no more > than six rallies a year, restrict the store's hours of operations and build abou > t $100,000 of ancillary improvements in the area, including a pedestrian bridge > over a nearby creek. > > DeHaven, a lifelong Harley rider who in 1981 founded Quality Systems Inc., a Fai > rfax high-technology firm, said the city's actions are puzzling because the moto > rcycle shop has never been accused of violating the terms of the agreement. > > "You'd think there'd be some due process here, where they inform you that you're > in violation [of the permit] and say, `You either cure this or we're going to r > evoke your permit,'" he said. "I've never been cited for being in violation of a > nything." > > DeHaven has 10 days to protest Tuesday's decision and said he will do so. An app > eal would lead to a July 27 public hearing before the council. > > Council members said they hope to work out a solution to the noise problem befor > e then. Several of them said yesterday they will ask DeHaven to find another sit > e to stage rallies or consider limiting him to just one or two events a year. > > "What I would like to see is curtailing the noise and the number of rallies and > open houses that he intends to hold," said Councilman Scott Silverthorne, who st > rongly supported the Harley shop last year as part of the city's redevelopment o > f the Lee Highway area. > > "Six [rallies] a year is a lot. They have the big one on Memorial Day, and I'm n > ot so certain they need more than that." > > DeHaven said he understands the noise concerns but does not favor reducing the n > umber of rallies, which he said are an integral part of any Harley Davidson deal > ership. > > "Not only are they typical, they are mandated by the motor company," he said. "Y > ou have to be able to do some of these things." > > Saturday's grand opening, which featured live music and free food, raised more t > han $16,000 for charity, DeHaven said. > > "We're being good corporate neighbors," he added. > > The shop is one of only a handful of Harley Davidson dealerships in the Washingt > on area. > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Ken S. > ICQ# 32289311 > HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger > HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager > kshephard@XXXXXX > 1996 XLH 1200 > Ride Safe > Inwood, WV > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 16:56:53 1999 X-Originating-IP: [206.229.31.22] Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman To: horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Northern Virginia Yuppies Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 13:56:14 PDT >From: "Horkster" >Part of me wants to cheer because the "Loud Pipes Save Lives" >crowd is really hurting themselves here by threatening the >existence of a new Dealership. Bikes that are annoyingly loud >cause problems just like this. > >But another part of me is troubled by this. Would the genteel >residents of Fairfax object if Coleman Posersports just up the >road put on a similar rally? Is the issue really noise, or is >it having us "dirty bikers" seen everywhere? > >Horkster, worried a little bit Don't worry about it. As was stated in the article, no one has accused him of violating the terms of the agreement that allowed him to get his dealership, it's just that as in the case of drivers using cell phones, there are unintended consequences of every action. Once such an unintended consequence shows, government finds it easier to ban the action which created the consequence rather than acting upon the problem. In other words, ban cell phones in cars rather than reckless driving. Ban the dealership rather than enforcing existing laws against disturbing the peace. Require helmets, seat belts and mandatory training so that government can afford to pick up the bill for injuries that individuals brought upon themselves through stupidity. Put up a sign indicating an additional $200 fine for speeding, rather than actually enforcing the limit. It is all of a piece. There should be few laws but they should be enforced vigorously. Leon. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 17:03:52 1999 Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 17:03:40 -0400 Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C From: "Charles L. Rosen" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX You could always try what I just saw in Madison WI. Shorts. Thats it. No shirt, no gloves, no shoes, no helmet. He was one of the "I live in the gym types". I guess all that bulked up muscle will protect your bones when you crash. (he was zipping along on a new ZX-9). Hope he or a friend never gets wheeled into my ER. -charles ---------- >From: Troutman >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C >Date: Tue, Jul 6, 1999, 10:48 AM > >At 10:43 AM 7/6/99 , ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >>Is this something that is actually available? Never heard of it. Sounds >>like a good idea to me. More info please. :-) > >This is a bit more of a dream than a reality, but I don't see why it >wouldn't be doable. I will start my quest for small a/c compressors today.... > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 17:11:53 1999 From: "Suazo, Tony" To: "'DC Cycles'" , "'Suazo, Lori (Home)'" Subject: FW: Patriot Harley Davidson Dealership (Reply from the Mayor) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:10:43 -0400 No shocking news. It appears that all fingers point to the dealership. Therefore, I can go to Hooter's down the street, get stupid drunk, make all the noise in the world in the parking lot, and Hooter's would get fined. Right? I'll call you from jail. Oh, well. At least I got a reply. Tony -----Original Message----- From: jmason@XXXXXX [mailto:jmason@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 4:40 PM To: SuazoT@XXXXXX Cc: sharchap@XXXXXX; lederer@XXXXXX; RSisson@XXXXXX; SSilverthorne@XXXXXX; GRasmussen@XXXXXX; JGreenfield@XXXXXX; TCoughlan@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Patriot Harley Davidson Dealership Martin Suazo - Thank you for your note. Please understand that the city has cited Patriot Harley Davidson for violation(s) of the special use permit (SUP) and city code (noise ordinance). The city has a legal obligation to ensure conformance with these requirements. We are working with Bob DeHaven, the adjacent neighbors, and the staff to resolve the neighbors' concerns. I am hopeful that we will develop a solution before July 27. John Mason Mayor City of Fairfax From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 18:01:12 1999 From: "George Howell" To: "Suazo, Tony" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Cell phone bans Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:47:57 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Go to a Wing rally. There are already products to tie your cell phone into your am/fm/cb stereo-casette intercom. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > How can we turn this into a motorcycle related topic? When will > the helmets > with built in phone systems be offered? Of course, I'd hate to forget to > turn the phone system off and receive a call in the middle of a > turn on 211. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 18:18:02 1999 From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 18:15:08 EDT Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Think you might need a few other things like evaporator, condenser, expansion valve,Etc,Etc. :-) Bob From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 18:41:03 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 18:26:14 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Northern Virginia Yuppies At 01:56 PM 7/6/99 -0700, Leon Begeman wrote: >Once such an unintended consequence shows, government finds it easier to ban >the action which created the consequence rather than acting upon the problem. > >It is all of a piece. There should be few laws but they should be enforced >vigorously. I think the problem is the cost of enforcement. Look at the frantic, obsessive efforts by anti-helmet law foes -- they've been very effective at picking apart the law(s), and engaging in civil disobedience. Look at the advice on how to beat a radar speeding ticket - is the radar unit calibrated, when, by whom, is the officer trained, when, by whom, etc. Now the police have to go out and buy sound measuring devices? And set up a controlled situation to measure the sound level, and the unit must be calibrated and the officers must be trained ... sure. With taxes being cut so we can't even have enough police officers, no municipality is going to spend extra money to enforce noise laws from a small minority of the population -- they're just going to ban the bikes. loud pipes get bikes banned, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 18:41:08 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 18:20:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C 12 volts just isn't enough to get much cooling out of. A good example of this is the Peltier-effect coolers to put in your car. Plug it into the cigarette lighter and it can cool only a 6-pack, even if left on overnight. It might help some, but it's not like plugging into 115 volts at 15 amps. Chris Norloff At 03:59 PM 7/6/99 -0400, Louis E Tweed wrote: >I am looking for a small 12volt a/c unit to use with a motorcycle camping >trailer. Any ideas? Someone told me that such a device was used or >offered aftermarket for VW beetles but I have had no luck finding one. >Louis > > >bike A/C. Anyone ever tried it? Small A/C compressor pumping cool > >air > >through a tube into your jacket / leathers / jumpsuit. It wouldn't > >take > >much to keep you cool on days like this..... > > >___________________________________________________________________ >Get the Internet just the way you want it. >Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! >Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 6 20:07:10 1999 From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 20:05:31 EDT Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX For some reason, the only thing I can picture is the astronauts carrying those portable A/C units with them. Hmm.... maybe strap the A/C unit to the tank in place of a tank bag? Then again, if Marcy is gonna ride with only a 3/4 helmet on, then I'm gonna be sweating (or is that drooling?) anyways. ;) Rob VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 08:03:52 1999 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 8:02 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: Northern Virginia Yuppies Actually, the local police do have sound measuring equipment in the form of a hand held decibel meter, especially Alexandria. I have issues about the whole loud pipe thing but I'll hold my tongue except for this... loud pipes do not get bikes banned (or even cause a real problem), it's the idiot riding it that does... a whole other issue. I would say that my VFR is in the top ten of loudest bikes on the list but you don't see anyone complaining about me or my bike. Why? Because I control the noise coming off of my bike. Anyway... another bad day is starting.... Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: Northern Virginia Yuppies Author: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) Date: 7/6/99 6:26 PM At 01:56 PM 7/6/99 -0700, Leon Begeman wrote: >Once such an unintended consequence shows, government finds it easier to ban >the action which created the consequence rather than acting upon the problem. > >It is all of a piece. There should be few laws but they should be enforced >vigorously. I think the problem is the cost of enforcement. Look at the frantic, obsessive efforts by anti-helmet law foes -- they've been very effective at picking apart the law(s), and engaging in civil disobedience. Look at the advice on how to beat a radar speeding ticket - is the radar unit calibrated, when, by whom, is the officer trained, when, by whom, etc. Now the police have to go out and buy sound measuring devices? And set up a controlled situation to measure the sound level, and the unit must be calibrated and the officers must be trained ... sure. With taxes being cut so we can't even have enough police officers, no municipality is going to spend extra money to enforce noise laws from a small minority of the population -- they're just going to ban the bikes. loud pipes get bikes banned, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 08:49:55 1999 From: "Carver, John M, BGM" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Dare I start this thread?? Was--> Cellphone Ban Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 08:49:23 -0400 Maybe . . . I think there is a major difference when you (Horkster) speak of freedom of choice. To the best of my knowledge, it has been *proven* that using a cell phone while driving diverts your attention from the obvious task of operating your motor vehicle. In contrast, failure to utilize a helmet does nothing to prevent accidents as far as I know. The difference is clear. Unlike the other post about "Peeling the Onion" it is not the governments responsibility to protect me from my stupidity. If that were the case, then they should have someone in my house constantly watching me so I don't do anything "unsafe". I think if the "liberals" have their way, we'll all be wearing helmets 24 hours a day. Even the child bicycle laws are laughable. I can't tell you how many times I've been out bicycling and seen kids wearing the helmet but either the strap is not connected together or it's so loose, it won't do any good. More and more I become convinced that anything the government touches turns to sh*%. There was a time when "the government" was . .by the people FOR the people. READ: Your neighbor was/is the government. It doesn't seem that way now. MOTORCYCLE CONTENT: (breathe a sigh of relief!!) Has anyone seen the new motorcyclist yet? Yamaha *may* make a sport/touring bike with the R-1 engine detuned for torque. It is supposed to weigh in at 440lbs. w/ shaft drive!! I will definitely be tempted if this bike is actually produced. Oh, and it has 110 horsepower. At 440 lbs., I would have to see it to believe it. There's also the question of the engine's smoothness. Hmmm. That's what makes bikes so much better than cars . . .they're not boring :-). John 98VFR From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 09:11:17 1999 From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 09:07:23 -0400 Subject: Re: FW: Patriot Harley Davidson Dealership (Reply from the Mayor) To: jmason@XXXXXX, "Suazo, Tony" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" , "'Suazo, Lori (Home)'" Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Mayor Mason, Regarding your e-mail response to Mr. Suazo: Mr. DeHaven was quoted in a recent news article as stating that he has not violated any of the requirements of his special use permit. Could you please clarify which violations have occurred? Note: I am not talking about noise ordinances (of which Mr. DeHaven has questionable responsibility) but rather the specific special use permit. In addition, it is my hope that you will review the existing laws and their enforcement before attempting to ban a business that is not only good for the economy of Fairfax, but also provides valuable charitable and communal activities to the residents of our area, Thanks you for your attention to this matter, Chris Meier -----Original Message----- From: jmason@XXXXXX [mailto:jmason@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 4:40 PM To: SuazoT@XXXXXX Cc: sharchap@XXXXXX; lederer@XXXXXX; RSisson@XXXXXX; SSilverthorne@XXXXXX; GRasmussen@XXXXXX; JGreenfield@XXXXXX; TCoughlan@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Patriot Harley Davidson Dealership Martin Suazo - Thank you for your note. Please understand that the city has cited Patriot Harley Davidson for violation(s) of the special use permit (SUP) and city code (noise ordinance). The city has a legal obligation to ensure conformance with these requirements. We are working with Bob DeHaven, the adjacent neighbors, and the staff to resolve the neighbors' concerns. I am hopeful that we will develop a solution before July 27. John Mason Mayor City of Fairfax ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 09:12:19 1999 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 9:11 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Was: Dare I start this thread?? Now: Aug. Motorcyclist Speaking of the Aug. issue of Motorcyclist... ching, ching to Joe Nagy, his wife, AND his RD400 for making into the Reader Comments section of the magazine! Was way cool seeing a fellow list member's name in the magazine! Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Dare I start this thread?? Was--> Cellphone Ban Author: jcarver@XXXXXX (Carver; John M; BGM) Date: 7/7/99 8:49 AM Maybe . . . I think there is a major difference when you (Horkster) speak of freedom of choice. To the best of my knowledge, it has been *proven* that using a cell phone while driving diverts your attention from the obvious task of operating your motor vehicle. In contrast, failure to utilize a helmet does nothing to prevent accidents as far as I know. The difference is clear. Unlike the other post about "Peeling the Onion" it is not the governments responsibility to protect me from my stupidity. If that were the case, then they should have someone in my house constantly watching me so I don't do anything "unsafe". I think if the "liberals" have their way, we'll all be wearing helmets 24 hours a day. Even the child bicycle laws are laughable. I can't tell you how many times I've been out bicycling and seen kids wearing the helmet but either the strap is not connected together or it's so loose, it won't do any good. More and more I become convinced that anything the government touches turns to sh*%. There was a time when "the government" was . .by the people FOR the people. READ: Your neighbor was/is the government. It doesn't seem that way now. MOTORCYCLE CONTENT: (breathe a sigh of relief!!) Has anyone seen the new motorcyclist yet? Yamaha *may* make a sport/touring bike with the R-1 engine detuned for torque. It is supposed to weigh in at 440lbs. w/ shaft drive!! I will definitely be tempted if this bike is actually produced. Oh, and it has 110 horsepower. At 440 lbs., I would have to see it to believe it. There's also the question of the engine's smoothness. Hmmm. That's what makes bikes so much better than cars . . .they're not boring :-). John 98VFR From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 09:19:37 1999 From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 09:18:53 EDT Subject: Re: Heat Warning and A/C To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX um.......did I mention I'd also be wearing pants and a shirt? ;D (sorry!) LOL Marcy In a message dated 7/6/99 8:13:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, NJitzul@XXXXXX writes: << Then again, if Marcy is gonna ride with only a 3/4 helmet on, then I'm gonna be sweating (or is that drooling?) anyways. ;) >> From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 09:23:36 1999 From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 09:22:34 EDT Subject: Re: Re[2]: Northern Virginia Yuppies To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/7/99 8:11:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, TZell@XXXXXX writes: << loud pipes do not get bikes banned (or even cause a real problem) >> I dunno.....seems to me that setting off car alarms as one cruises through a neighborhood is a problem ... I know if that happened where I live I'd be _pissed_ ... fortunately no one has a car alarm in my neighborhood... plus - as a friend of mine living on the 8th floor of an apartment building in dupont can attest, loud pipes prevent sleep and make one late for work ... I mean there's loud and there's loud. marcy From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 09:49:55 1999 From: "Burger, Donald" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Re[2]: Northern Virginia Yuppies Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 09:49:45 -0400 Tom - I have to respectfully disagree with you on this point. Loud pipes can and do get bikes banned. There are many communities, particularly on the West Coast that due to noise concerns, the residents and homeowner's associations have joined together and successfully banned bikes from their communities. From what I've seen and read, idiot riding is tolerated to a greater extent than noise. Most people have a pretty high tolerance for stupidity. My bike is pretty loud as well, maybe not in the top ten, and to keep my neighbors happy I try to minimize the noise as I head off to work at 6:00 AM. No handfuls of throttle until I'm well out of the neighborhood. As of yet I've had no complaints since most of my neighbors get up at the time I leave and use my bike as an extra alarm clock. (I'm serious about this, several have complained of over sleeping on days I've used my car to go to work.) However, if I do get complaints about how loud it is, I would switch to a quieter exhaust system to keep them happy and not start a "lets ban bikes from the neighborhood" issue since there are far more of them than me (being in the minority sucks). We all have the right to a loud bike up until the point it crosses the threshold imposed by the law. Then if we violate the noise limits (like my bike does) bad things may happen and we need to accept our responsibility for our actions. Sort of like speed limits, go to fast, get a ticket. We may not agree with the limits (noise, speed, etc.), but until they are changed they are the law. Don B. Owner of a quiet Honda Hawk who never rides fast ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Zell [SMTP:TZell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 8:17 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: Burger, Donald > Subject: Re[2]: Northern Virginia Yuppies > > Actually, the local police do have sound measuring equipment in the form > of a > hand held decibel meter, especially Alexandria. > > I have issues about the whole loud pipe thing but I'll hold my tongue > except > for > this... loud pipes do not get bikes banned (or even cause a real problem), > it's > the idiot riding it that does... a whole other issue. I would say that my > VFR > is in the top ten of loudest bikes on the list but you don't see anyone > complaining about me or my bike. Why? Because I control the noise coming > off > of > my bike. > > Anyway... another bad day is starting.... > > Tom > '86 VFR750 > > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > Subject: Re: Northern Virginia Yuppies > Author: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) > Date: 7/6/99 6:26 PM > > At 01:56 PM 7/6/99 -0700, Leon Begeman wrote: > >Once such an unintended consequence shows, government finds it easier to > ban >the action which created the consequence rather than acting upon the > problem. > > > >It is all of a piece. There should be few laws but they should be > enforced >vigorously. > > > I think the problem is the cost of enforcement. Look at the frantic, > obsessive efforts by anti-helmet law foes -- they've been very effective > at > picking apart the law(s), and engaging in civil disobedience. > > Look at the advice on how to beat a radar speeding ticket - is the radar > unit calibrated, when, by whom, is the officer trained, when, by whom, > etc. > > Now the police have to go out and buy sound measuring devices? And set up > a controlled situation to measure the sound level, and the unit must be > calibrated and the officers must be trained ... sure. > > With taxes being cut so we can't even have enough police officers, no > municipality is going to spend extra money to enforce noise laws from a > small minority of the population -- they're just going to ban the bikes. > > loud pipes get bikes banned, > Chris Norloff > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 10:10:55 1999 From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Tom Zell" cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 10:00:59 -0400 Subject: Re: Was: Dare I start this thread?? Now: Aug. Motorcyclist Content-Disposition: inline DUH! I saw that too and it didn't even register! YOU GO BOY! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Tom Zell" on 07/07/99 09:11:00 AM To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Was: Dare I start this thread?? Now: Aug. Motorcyclist Speaking of the Aug. issue of Motorcyclist... ching, ching to Joe Nagy, his wife, AND his RD400 for making into the Reader Comments section of the magazine! Was way cool seeing a fellow list member's name in the magazine! Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 10:11:14 1999 From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 10:06:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Dare I start this thread?? Was--> Cellphone Ban To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL John Carver wrote: ----- Unlike the other post about "Peeling the Onion" it is not the governments responsibility to protect me from my stupidity. If that were the case, then they should have someone in my house constantly watching me so I don't do anything "unsafe". ----- This is a common argument against helmet laws, and in my opinion misses the point. The fact is that we have many laws such as these precisely to prevent them from harming themselves and they are commonly accepted as being a good thing. We have drug enforcement laws, seatbelt laws, gambling laws, legal drinking age laws, social security laws, and scores of other laws that are designed to protect people from themselves. The point is not that it's not the government's job to protect you from your "stupidity," it's that you just don't like this one particular law. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 10:25:36 1999 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 10:23:39 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, TZell@XXXXXX Subject: Was: Dare I start this thread?? Now: Aug. Motorcyclist -Reply Content-Disposition: inline Wot? Dang, I don't have my issue yet--wonder what I was beefin' about? I vaguely remember shooting 'em a note a coupla months ago . . . could it be that I took issue with their whining about a bike with a handlebar instead of clipons? Joe RD400F (smell bad) 900 Ninja (smell ok) Wife Amy (smell good) >>> "Tom Zell" - 7/7/99 9:32 AM >>> Speaking of the Aug. issue of Motorcyclist... ching, ching to Joe Nagy, his wife, AND his RD400 for making into the Reader Comments section of the magazine! Was way cool seeing a fellow list member's name in the magazine! Tom '86 VFR750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 10:28:42 1999 From: "Suazo, Tony" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Patriot HD Dealership Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 10:27:31 -0400 I want to thank everyone who has replied with encouraging words. Although I don't consider myself an activist, I've certainly come to feel like one. Ironic in a way because I know a lot about sport bikes and very little about cruisers. I guess having a Harley riding father-in-law and a Suzuki Intruder driving wife has had an influence. My writing of the letter to the Mayor was more of a response to Ken Shephard's posting of the news. Having time on my hands - boss is out this week, I felt compelled to write because I really do like seeing more bikes on my side of the beltway with Falls Church being on the other side. A forward from Lee Andrese mentioned to mail a letter in addition to sending e-mail; however, from the link below, it appears that there is no address for council members to receive mail. http://www.ci.fairfax.va.us/leaders.html I think the best course of action would be to continue with e-mails with probing questions like the one written by Chris Meier. The council will be meeting on July 27th; however, I don't know if council meetings are open to the public. However, my guess is that a massive force of motorcycles of any persuasion showing up with load pipes might do more harm than good. Anyway, I guess we'll just have to keep our eyes and ears open. See ya' on the roads. Tony CBR600 F3 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 10:31:06 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 09:04:45 -0400 To: "Tom Zell" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re[2]: Northern Virginia Yuppies Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 08:01 AM 7/7/99 , you wrote: >Actually, the local police do have sound measuring equipment in the form of a >hand held decibel meter, especially Alexandria. Do they actually use them, and can they get convictions in court? I ask because the test setup (distance from noise source, angle from noise source, elevation relative to noise source) is critical for comparing the noise in question to a standard. The noise also depends a lot on throttle opening and engine load - things which can't be tested unless the bike makes repeated, controlled passes past the measuring equipment. It seems that it would be easy to beat a noise violation by questionning the officer's test methodology, training, and the noise meter's calibration. >I have issues about the whole loud pipe thing but I'll hold my tongue >except for >this... loud pipes do not get bikes banned (or even cause a real problem), >it's >the idiot riding it that does. In general, yes. I guess it depends a lot on the pipes and the engine. The Harley I kept for a friend, which was not loud by Harley standards, could not run quietly. Leaving a friend's townhouse complex at 11pm, with minimal throttle to get up a hill, I could still hear the exhaust echoing off the adjacent townhouses - we probably got a few MORE enemies of motorcycling that night. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 10:47:18 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 10:39:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Dare I start this thread?? Was--> Cellphone Ban At 08:49 AM 7/7/99 , Carver, John M, BGM wrote: >I think there is a major difference when you (Horkster) speak of freedom of >choice. To the best of my knowledge, it has been *proven* that using a cell >phone while driving diverts your attention from the obvious task of >operating your motor vehicle. In contrast, failure to utilize a helmet does >nothing to prevent accidents as far as I know. Full-face helmets protect the wearer's face and eyes against road debris, cigarettes tossed from cars, bugs, and the other flotsam and jetsam of street riding. That could definitely prevent an accident. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 10:49:04 1999 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 10:47 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Burger; Donald" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Northern Virginia Yuppies This what I'm talking about Don.... responsibility. You know that your bike is loud and you make all the effort in the world to respect your neighbors by making sure that you tread lightly through your neighborhood. It's the folks who feel the need to make sure that EVERYONE hears their bike that ends up getting bike banned. These are the idiots. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: RE: Re[2]: Northern Virginia Yuppies Author: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX (Burger; Donald) Date: 7/7/99 9:49 AM My bike is pretty loud as well, maybe not in the top ten, and to keep my neighbors happy I try to minimize the noise as I head off to work at 6:00 AM. No handfuls of throttle until I'm well out of the neighborhood. Don B. Owner of a quiet Honda Hawk who never rides fast ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Zell [SMTP:TZell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 8:17 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: Burger, Donald > Subject: Re[2]: Northern Virginia Yuppies > > Actually, the local police do have sound measuring equipment in the form > of a > hand held decibel meter, especially Alexandria. > > I have issues about the whole loud pipe thing but I'll hold my tongue > except > for > this... loud pipes do not get bikes banned (or even cause a real problem), > it's > the idiot riding it that does... a whole other issue. I would say that my > VFR > is in the top ten of loudest bikes on the list but you don't see anyone > complaining about me or my bike. Why? Because I control the noise coming > off > of > my bike. > > Anyway... another bad day is starting.... > > Tom > '86 VFR750 > > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > Subject: Re: Northern Virginia Yuppies > Author: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) > Date: 7/6/99 6:26 PM > > At 01:56 PM 7/6/99 -0700, Leon Begeman wrote: > >Once such an unintended consequence shows, government finds it easier to > ban >the action which created the consequence rather than acting upon the > problem. > > > >It is all of a piece. There should be few laws but they should be > enforced >vigorously. > > > I think the problem is the cost of enforcement. Look at the frantic, > obsessive efforts by anti-helmet law foes -- they've been very effective > at > picking apart the law(s), and engaging in civil disobedience. > > Look at the advice on how to beat a radar speeding ticket - is the radar > unit calibrated, when, by whom, is the officer trained, when, by whom, > etc. > > Now the police have to go out and buy sound measuring devices? And set up > a controlled situation to measure the sound level, and the unit must be > calibrated and the officers must be trained ... sure. > > With taxes being cut so we can't even have enough police officers, no > municipality is going to spend extra money to enforce noise laws from a > small minority of the population -- they're just going to ban the bikes. > > loud pipes get bikes banned, > Chris Norloff > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 11:01:15 1999 From: "Suazo, Tony" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Dare I start this thread?? Now: Aug. Motorcyclist -Reply Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:00:08 -0400 >Wot? Dang, I don't have my issue yet--wonder what I was beefin' about? >I vaguely remember shooting 'em a note a coupla months ago . . . could >it be that I took issue with their whining about a bike with a handlebar >instead of clipons? Joe, Do you recall your wife being in agreement with the phrase, "You Crazy Bastard". Tony CBR600 F3 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 11:18:12 1999 Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:19:14 -0400 From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Subject: Re: Northern Virginia Yuppies ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Leon Begeman > It is all of a piece. There should be few laws but they should be > enforced vigorously. I certainly agree with that. Too bad it doesn't work in real life. If we could somehow take care of the burgeoning lawyer overpopulation in this country, whose ability to get people off on technicalities in the wording of current laws is reknowned, then maybe we could get by with broadly worded laws. See how well "Reasonable and Prudent" worked in Montana? Some nut thought that since he was an ex-racecar driver, he could reasonably and prudently pass slower traffic at speeds exceeding 100 mph. With broadly worded laws, too much interpretation is left in the hands of the police officer. The guy got a ticket and fought it, and now Montana is going back to specific MPH speed limits. Anyway, we are getting a bit off topic here. I'll take any further posts about this off-list. :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 11:28:41 1999 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 11:26:21 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, SuazoT@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Dare I start this thread?? Now: Aug. Motorcyclist -Reply -Reply Content-Disposition: inline >>> "Suazo, Tony" - 7/7/99 11:00 AM >>> >Wot? Dang, I don't have my issue yet--wonder what I was beefin' about? >I vaguely remember shooting 'em a note a coupla months ago . . . could >it be that I took issue with their whining about a bike with a handlebar >instead of clipons? Joe, Do you recall your wife being in agreement with the phrase, "You Crazy Bastard". Tony CBR600 F3 Ah yes, Joe the Curmudgeon had the day off, and Joe the Gord Jennings Fan wrote in. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 11:38:04 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 11:37:58 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Northern Virginia Yuppies like this weather On another note...it was an awesome ride in today. Perfect weather with my FirstGear jacket...not to humid....awesome! This afternoon I may get drenched, but it will be worth it I am sure. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 12:02:30 1999 From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 12:03:03 -0400 Subject: AMA Travel - Fall Color Tour It looks like I'll be doing the AMA travel tour of the Blue Ridge Parkway in October (10/10-10/18/99).. I've always wanted to do an organized motorcycle tour, and since this one starts/ends in Sheperdstown, WV I can actually afford the time off to do it. The tour is eight days long, includes nine nights accomodations and breakfast/dinner each day. If anyone would like more info about the tour you can read about it at: http://www.ama-cycle.org/travel/blueridge.html Yeah, I know I could organize a trip myself (for less money as well)... but there's something about letting someone else sweat all the details that's appealing! Plus it's time right before my hell season at work (Nov-Feb), so I'll need the "mental health break".. :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 14:09:49 1999 From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 14:05:50 EDT Subject: front brake sticky...why? To: cb-1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX hi guys: ever since it started to get really hot my front brake _occasionally_ sticks as follows: I apply the brake but I can feel it isn't catching, it seems as though I'm squeezing it in all the way, however if I squeeze again, suddenly the brake catches and jerks me to a stop ... I took it into the shop and had the lines bled and the brake fluid refilled, also looked at the brake pads which seem fine for awhile longer ... any ideas what else it could be? Plus there seems to be less stopping power overall at times ... I almost rear-ended a car cause the bike didn't stop nearly as fast as I'm used to. Maybe I should check the pads again? All suggestions are MUCH appreciated. (feel free to reply off-list if you prefer) thanks. Marcy jinnsinn@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 14:47:31 1999 From: knapik@XXXXXX X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: jinnsinn@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 14:47:05 -0400 Subject: front brake sticky...why? Content-Disposition: inline Marcy, it sounds like you've still got air in the line (or water in the brake fluid that's boiling). Has the fluid level dropped since the shop bled the brake? If you "pump" the brake when there's air in the line, you build temporary pressure so the brake works but then after you release it, the air expands and pushes the fluid out of the line so the next time you try to apply it, all you are doing is compressing air again and you have to "pump" it back up to get enough pressure in the line to activate the brake pads again. It could be a leaking master cylinder or the caliper or even the hydraulic line connecting the two. The shop should be able to pressure test the system to determine if a leak exists. This is not a good thing!!! Please be very careful riding until you get it fixed...... better yet, don't ride until you get it fixed. Rear ending a car is not the way to stop. Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 ---------------------- Forwarded by Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM on 07-07-99 02:30 PM --------------------------- JinnSinn@XXXXXX on 07-07-99 02:05:50 PM To: cb-1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM) Subject: front brake sticky...why? hi guys: ever since it started to get really hot my front brake _occasionally_ sticks as follows: I apply the brake but I can feel it isn't catching, it seems as though I'm squeezing it in all the way, however if I squeeze again, suddenly the brake catches and jerks me to a stop ... I took it into the shop and had the lines bled and the brake fluid refilled, also looked at the brake pads which seem fine for awhile longer ... any ideas what else it could be? Plus there seems to be less stopping power overall at times ... I almost rear-ended a car cause the bike didn't stop nearly as fast as I'm used to. Maybe I should check the pads again? All suggestions are MUCH appreciated. (feel free to reply off-list if you prefer) thanks. Marcy jinnsinn@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 15:17:13 1999 From: jnewman@XXXXXX To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 15:15:04 -0400 Subject: Re: front brake sticky...why? CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Have you washed your bike recently? Sometimes the soap / solvents which help remove the grease and road grime can remain on the brakes and rotors impairing their function. This has happened to me both on my street, and dirt bike on several occasions. ( much more often on the dirt bike) After I wash my street bike, or go through a stream on my dirt bike I "scrub" { at least that's I call it} the brakes to remove the water/soap/grime. All you really do is drive around your neighborhood [ or some other area with little traffic ] and gently "ride" the brakes until you feel the brakes progressively begin to grip again. This usually solves the problem... My .02 -John Newman From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date sent: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 14:05:50 EDT Subject: front brake sticky...why? To: cb-1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > hi guys: > > ever since it started to get really hot my front brake _occasionally_ sticks > as follows: > I apply the brake but I can feel it isn't catching, it seems as though I'm > squeezing it in all the way, however if I squeeze again, suddenly the brake > catches and jerks me to a stop ... I took it into the shop and had the lines > bled and the brake fluid refilled, also looked at the brake pads which seem > fine for awhile longer ... any ideas what else it could be? > > Plus there seems to be less stopping power overall at times ... I almost > rear-ended a car cause the bike didn't stop nearly as fast as I'm used to. > > Maybe I should check the pads again? > All suggestions are MUCH appreciated. (feel free to reply off-list if you > prefer) > thanks. > > Marcy > jinnsinn@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 15:21:43 1999 X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 15:17:39 -0400 To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, cb-1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: front brake sticky...why? At 02:05 PM 7/7/99 , JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >ever since it started to get really hot my front brake _occasionally_ sticks >as follows: >I apply the brake but I can feel it isn't catching, it seems as though I'm >squeezing it in all the way, however if I squeeze again, suddenly the brake >catches and jerks me to a stop ... I took it into the shop and had the lines >bled and the brake fluid refilled, also looked at the brake pads which seem >fine for awhile longer ... any ideas what else it could be? Squeezing twice to get brakes is usually a sign of air in the lines, or a bad master cylinder or wheel cylinder. That's something to get checked out right away. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 16:28:06 1999 X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 16:27:59 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Looking for a link Remember the wild ride video through paris? I have lost the original ftp link. I still have the 5Mb file, but not the 50Mb file and I want to get a copy. If anyone has the file, or the link (no ftp.troutman.org) please email me off-list. Thanks! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 17:04:52 1999 From: "Suazo, Tony" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Parking in DC Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:03:42 -0400 I know this topic has been visited before; unfortunately, at the time it didn't apply to me so I deleted those messages. I would go through the archives, but there is no search capability. So, my apologies to the list in advance. My wife recently started to work in DC at 20th and K Streets, NW. Does anyone know of the following: 1) Parking garages that are motorcycle friendly, or 2) Street parking locations for motorcycles. Thanks. Tony CBR600 F3 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 18:06:20 1999 From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Mid Ohio Vintage Motorcycle Days Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 18:05:35 -0400 Is anyone from our group going to Mid Ohio this weekend? If anyone is cagin' it, and wouldn't mind a passenger, I would sure be interested to hear from them. :) I will gladly share driving duties, and chip in for petrol. Please reply directly to me, as I am on the digest. Thanks very much, Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 7 20:29:27 1999 From: "Ken" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Tour Master Deluxe Tail Bag Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 20:27:10 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I cant find the 'TourMaster Deluxe Tail Bag' at any of my local dealers, = or even on the net. Anybody know of a dealer on the net/metro area that = has them? Thanks Ken S. ICQ# 32289311 HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 08:10:30 1999 From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Chase? Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 08:07:21 -0400 Anyone know who the person was that decided to run from the park police on the GW parkway yesterday? One of my friends here at work said the Parkway was pretty much shut down past the second overlook point (from the Pentagon). She said by the time she made it up to where the parkway dumps into the Beltway the cops had some squid cuffed and she thinks it was a red Honda. He was wearing all the squidly attire... cut off jeans, sneakers, and a T-shirt. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 08:29:45 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA06228 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 08:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A9B36F501C0; Thu, 08 Jul 1999 08:29:39 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990708082856.00c252c0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 08:30:09 -0400 To: "Suazo, Tony" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Parking in DC Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:03 PM 7/7/99 , you wrote: >2) Street parking locations for motorcycles. I got this faxed to me from the DC Dept. of Public Works, Transportation Systems Administration, 14 January 1997. Not sure how current they all are. This is a good item for a FAQ on a website - someone want to put it up? Chris Norloff ********************************************************************** Parking Tips: 1. When parked in spaces designed for their exclusive use, motorcycles must park in designated areas with rear wheel to the curb. 2. Metered parking is in effect during the hours posted. 3. No motorized vehicle without pedals shall park on islands or sidewalks. 4. Park one motorcycle per stall. 5. Most parking is metered for 12 hours, at 25 cents per hour. 6. Motorcycles may park in metered zones for automobiles providing the parking meter is paid. When parked in spaces designed for automobiles, motorcycles should park parallel to the curb. 800 block Vermont Ave, NW -- 23 spaces 800 block C St. SW -- 10 600 block Indiana Ave. NW -- 6 600 block G St. NW --6 200 block Independence Ave SE -- 9 600 block 2nd St. NW -- 10 spaces 2000 block T St NW -- 10 1300 block New York Ave NW -- 10 1700 block M St. NW -- 31 1400 block G St. NW -- 14 2100 block Eye St. NW -- 10 spaces 1800 block H St NW -- 16 2200 block E St NW -- 9 Unit block G St NW -- 8 1100 block Vermont Ave NW -- 10 1200 block New Hampshire Ave NW -- 20 spaces 1500 block 19th St NW -- 7 1700 block G St NW -- 11 2200 block F St NW -- 6 1400 block M St NW -- 6 300 block Eye St NW -- 14 spaces 600 block E St NW -- 6 900 block 15th St NW -- 12 1800 block Eye St NW -- 9 1300 block K St NW -- 9 1800 block Pennsylvania Ave NW -- 9 spaces 2000 block Florida Ave NW -- 10 300 block Virginia Ave SW -- 10 1800 block M St NW -- 24 1100 block Thomas Jefferson St NW -- 5 3000 block VanNess St NW -- 13 spaces 2500 block 6th St NW -- 10 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 08:39:31 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web301.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.183]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA06407 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 08:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990708123941.6155.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [164.117.17.73] by web301.yahoomail.com; Thu, 08 Jul 1999 05:39:41 PDT Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 05:39:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Parking in DC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > I got this faxed to me from the DC Dept. of Public Works, > Transportation Systems Administration, 14 January 1997. Not sure how > current they all are. > > This is a good item for a FAQ on a website - someone want to put it up? On my new web provider (xoom.com) I'm supposed to have unlimited web space, not that I have been actively trying to put it to the test. I wouldn't mind posting an FAQ type document if others would help to build it. However, it seems like it would be better on the DC-Cycles page, but I'm not sure how much room Harry has for that type of material. (Then again, he has archives of DC-Cycles for the past several years, that's gotta take a chunk of diskspace). Louis === Louis Caplan Alexandria, VA 1998 Kawasaki Concours 11th place, Capitol 1000 "Mean Green Scream Machine" Proud Sponsor of Joe Denton http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 08:45:57 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA06562 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 08:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 112DYm-0001yI-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 05:45:52 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 05:45:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: front brake sticky...why? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It may be the pistons in the brakes are dirty. This is not uncommon if you store your bike outside. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 08:48:36 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA06580 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 08:48:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 8 Jul 1999 15:47:53 UT Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 8:45 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Dysart; Glenn B Mr SAM" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:Chase? Message-ID: <19990708084740476-2e5d2f0@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have to confess... it was me... on Jeannette's VFR.... lol Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Chase? Author: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX (Dysart; Glenn B Mr SAM) Date: 7/8/99 8:07 AM Anyone know who the person was that decided to run from the park police on the GW parkway yesterday? One of my friends here at work said the Parkway was pretty much shut down past the second overlook point (from the Pentagon). She said by the time she made it up to where the parkway dumps into the Beltway the cops had some squid cuffed and she thinks it was a red Honda. He was wearing all the squidly attire... cut off jeans, sneakers, and a T-shirt. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 08:59:10 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA06820 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 08:59:09 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id IAA16189; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 08:59:56 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma014801; Thu, 8 Jul 99 08:58:34 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FEJ00C6WYT644@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:00:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567A8.0044C980 ; Thu, 08 Jul 1999 08:31:20 -0400 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 08:56:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Chase? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567A8.00471C44.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL It wasn't me! Honest! Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 (red) Anyone know who the person was that decided to run from the park police on the GW parkway yesterday? One of my friends here at work said the Parkway was pretty much shut down past the second overlook point (from the Pentagon). She said by the time she made it up to where the parkway dumps into the Beltway the cops had some squid cuffed and she thinks it was a red Honda. He was wearing all the squidly attire... cut off jeans, sneakers, and a T-shirt. Glenn ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 09:02:25 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA06915 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:02:22 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA19559; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:03:09 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma018715; Thu, 8 Jul 99 09:01:48 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FEJ00ASMYYTMS@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567A8.00451A51 ; Thu, 08 Jul 1999 08:34:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 08:59:38 -0400 Subject: RE: FW: Patriot Harley Davidson Dealership (Reply from the M To: jmason@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567A8.00476E1A.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Mayor Mason, Thank you for your reply. I am encouraged that you understand the rights of both the business and the private citizen's involved. It is my belief that an equitable solution can be reached and hope that the Fairfax City government will not attempt to pull the special use permit of a successful business as the result of a single violation. I also request that if you choose to enforce the noise ordinance law more vigorously, you apply that standard to all noise, not just on a subset of the population that engages in motorcycling events, of which, the one in question was charitable and designed to honor those who have served in our Armed forces. As a resident, I too have been bothered by noise in many forms, most notably, city construction, dump trucks, and jackhammers. If you wish to invoke the noise ordinance standard, I trust that you will apply it across the board. In addition, I am copying this note (and your included reply to my original e-mail) to a local DC-area motorcycle mailing list. The list comprises some of the most active, involved and responsible motorcyclists I have met. As, I am sure you are aware, communities are made up of many diverse interests. Although I agree that in many cases one individual's rights end when they infringe on another's, it is my sincere hope that you will work with all sides in this situation to find an equitable solution. Please feel free to use this e-mail list as a resource when you or the council need the opinion of the motorcycling community. We too, have a stake in our community, work hard, pay taxes, share the roads, vote, and have children enrolled in the County schools. Please do not forget these facts as you work with both parties involved. Lastly, I would appreciate it if you would inform me of the final resolution to this issue. Sincerely, Chris Meier To: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US@C&L US cc: From: jmason@XXXXXX Date: 07/08/99 12:12:52 PM GMT Subject: RE: FW: Patriot Harley Davidson Dealership (Reply from the M Chris Meier - The City has cited the Patriot Harley dealership for violation of a special use permit condition that prohibites activity for special events prior to 9 am, maintaining that the Memorial weekend rally involved store opening and activity prior to that hour. Secondly, the city has cited violations of noise ordinance. DeHaven has responsibility for noise generated on his property (not on Lee Hy which is public right of way). The challenging task for us is to satisfy both the needs of DeHaven for reasonable operation of his business while at the same time ensuring that his residential neighbors are protected from noise that exceeds city code standards. This is no different than any other situation. The general principle is that noise generated on private property should not be disturbing to other private property owners. I hope to be able to resolve this issue over the next couple weeks. John Mason Mayor City of Fairfax > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > [mailto:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 9:07 AM > To: John Mason; Suazo Tony > Cc: 'DC Cycles'; 'Suazo Lori (Home)' > Subject: Re: FW: Patriot Harley Davidson Dealership (Reply from the M > > > Mayor Mason, > > Regarding your e-mail response to Mr. Suazo: > > Mr. DeHaven was quoted in a recent news article as stating that he has not > violated any of the requirements of his special use permit. Could you > please clarify which violations have occurred? Note: I am not talking > about noise ordinances (of which Mr. DeHaven has questionable > responsibility) but rather the specific special use permit. > > In addition, it is my hope that you will review the existing laws > and their > enforcement before attempting to ban a business that is not only good for > the economy of Fairfax, but also provides valuable charitable and communal > activities to the residents of our area, > > Thanks you for your attention to this matter, > Chris Meier > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jmason@XXXXXX [mailto:jmason@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 4:40 PM > To: SuazoT@XXXXXX > Cc: sharchap@XXXXXX; lederer@XXXXXX; RSisson@XXXXXX; > SSilverthorne@XXXXXX; GRasmussen@XXXXXX; > JGreenfield@XXXXXX; TCoughlan@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Patriot Harley Davidson Dealership > > > Martin Suazo - > > Thank you for your note. Please understand that the city has > cited Patriot > Harley Davidson for violation(s) of the special use permit (SUP) and city > code (noise ordinance). The city has a legal obligation to ensure > conformance with these requirements. > > We are working with Bob DeHaven, the adjacent neighbors, and the staff to > resolve the neighbors' concerns. I am hopeful that we will develop a > solution before July 27. > > John Mason > Mayor > City of Fairfax > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 09:13:20 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA07271 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:13:18 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA01803; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:11:44 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma000256; Thu, 8 Jul 99 09:10:39 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FEJ00DF6ZDJUM@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567A8.0045EAEB ; Thu, 08 Jul 1999 08:43:41 -0400 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 09:08:38 -0400 Subject: Re: Looking for a link To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567A8.00483D2D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I know the movie you mean. I just deleted it from my hard drive to make space. It was originally at ftp://ftp.motorcycle.com/pub/videos but I don't know if it's still there. You could check. They have lots of other short videos as well. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 Remember the wild ride video through paris? I have lost the original ftp link. I still have the 5Mb file, but not the 50Mb file and I want to get a copy. If anyone has the file, or the link (no ftp.troutman.org) please email me off-list. Thanks! Mike Troutman ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 09:17:21 1999 Return-Path: mark.petty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07457 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3GR6H6Q9>; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:11:10 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: front brake sticky...why? Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:11:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain So how tough is it to clean brake pistons? I _think_ one of my front pistons is sticking a little, but I'm not sure. Does it require draining the brake fluid? This is on an '83 Magna, by the way. -Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Hugh Caldwell [mailto:twg@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 8:46 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: front brake sticky...why? > > > > It may be the pistons in the brakes are dirty. This > is not uncommon if you store your bike outside. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 09:19:05 1999 Return-Path: SuazoT@XXXXXX Received: from seg-pdc.seg-inc.com (mail.seg-inc.com [207.96.22.190]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07475 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.seg-inc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:17:58 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Suazo, Tony" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Chase? Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:17:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >>One of my friends here at work said the Parkway >>was pretty much shut down past the second overlook point (from the >>Pentagon). She wouldn't have happened to note what model it was or condition it was in. I'm wondering if maybe that bike needs a new home. Tony CBR600 F3 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 09:24:10 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.114]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07614 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:24:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by wodc7mr0.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgwzd07478; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 13:23:47 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 852567A8.004A31B5 ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:30:23 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Tom Zell" cc: "Dysart; Glenn B Mr SAM" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Message-ID: <852567A8.004A2F61.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:14:17 -0400 Subject: Re:Chase? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Ha ha is right. You would be dead right now if that were the case! ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Tom Zell" on 07/08/99 08:45:00 AM To: "Dysart; Glenn B Mr SAM" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Re:Chase? I have to confess... it was me... on Jeannette's VFR.... lol Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Chase? Author: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX (Dysart; Glenn B Mr SAM) Date: 7/8/99 8:07 AM Anyone know who the person was that decided to run from the park police on the GW parkway yesterday? One of my friends here at work said the Parkway was pretty much shut down past the second overlook point (from the Pentagon). She said by the time she made it up to where the parkway dumps into the Beltway the cops had some squid cuffed and she thinks it was a red Honda. He was wearing all the squidly attire... cut off jeans, sneakers, and a T-shirt. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 09:35:23 1999 Return-Path: schelzig@XXXXXX Received: from cpiserv2.dn.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [207.153.192.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07934 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pc37 (host54.cpi.dn.net [207.153.192.54]) by cpiserv2.dn.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id 3PH69RR4; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:28:35 -0400 Message-ID: <006c01bec946$f4156890$36c099cf@pc37.dn.net> From: "Erik Schelzig" To: "Suazo, Tony" , "Chris Norloff" Cc: Subject: Re: Parking in DC Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:36:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 A good motorcycle-friendly garage is the one near 18th and L (or so). They have a sort of sidewalk type thing at ground level where you can park your bike all day for $3. Cheaper than the meters and you don't have to worry about running out of the office every four hours to feed the clock. Just get on L and drive along (it's one way) looking toward your right. If you pass the bookstore you've gone to far. Crappy directions, I know, but worth the trouble for good parking. See further comments below: -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff >I got this faxed to me from the DC Dept. of Public Works, >Transportation Systems Administration, 14 January 1997. Not sure how >current they all are. >Parking Tips: >3. No motorized vehicle without pedals shall park on >islands or sidewalks. I don't understand this regulation. Go to Europe some time and find motorcycles parked all over the place - to no one's detriment. Why can't you park a motorcycle the same way you can a bicycle? I know ours are wider, but they're roughly the same length. >6. Motorcycles may park in metered zones for automobiles >providing the parking meter is paid. When parked in spaces >designed for automobiles, motorcycles should park parallel >to the curb. Why should we waste the space of other vehicles by parking parallel to the curb, especially when the skill of parking perpendicular to the curb is required in motorcycle-only parking slots. I suspect money-grubbing. Go figure. erik '80 CX500D "Das Beast" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 09:37:33 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07972 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 112EMj-0004Ef-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 06:37:29 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 06:37:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Mid-Ohio 16th&17th Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I know that a group of DC-Cycles folks are going up to the races in Ohio and I was wondering if any sort of travelling plans have been made yet? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 09:53:52 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA08264 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:53:50 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA29049; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:54:40 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma027632; Thu, 8 Jul 99 09:53:12 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FEK00KST1CAI6@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567A8.0049CAEE ; Thu, 08 Jul 1999 09:26:00 -0400 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 09:50:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Mid-Ohio 16th&17th To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567A8.004C1DA8.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Is it too late to get in on this? Are tickets still available? Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 09:59:35 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA08349 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:00:34 -0400 Message-Id: <199907081000.AA2425028@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "DC Cycles" CC: "Chris Bay" , , Subject: Re: Off-road AMA Notice X-Mailer: I thought this bore repeating. The meeting is at 7:30 pm tonight, just up the road from my house. I'll be in attendance, and I don't even have an off-road bike (yet). :) Horkster ----------------------------- Subject: Off-road AMA Notice Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 19:49:55 -0400 From: "LindaT" To: "DC-CYCLES" I got the following letter from the AMA. As I'm not a Prince William county resident, I thought I would post it to the list. Dear AMA Member: This message is intended for members who reside in Prince William County, Virginia. If you don't live in the county, we apologize. If you do, please share with you friends who ride but don't belong. Many of you will be familiar with recent efforts in the county that would have limited your right to ride a trail bike or an ATV on your own property. These have been stopped for now. And thanks to a new group in the county, the Prince William Off Road Coalition (PWORC), the debate has moved on to the next level! Imagine for a moment that the county has decided that your recreational needs are legitimate and that they want to provide a legal opportunity. Now pinch yourself! Yes, you are awake and this can be a reality. But only if every enthusiast is involved. If riding a trail bike or an ATV is important to you, your family, your children and your friends, you need to be involved in this new effort. The PWORC will be meeting on July 8, 7:30pm at the Prince of Peace United Methodist Church, 6299 Token Forest Drive (Prince William Parkway to Hoadly Road. Turn onto Purcell Road at the first light, make an immediate right onto Token Forest, the church will be on your right). If you can't attend but want to be involved, please call John Meyer (evenings) at 791-2334. John is trying to assemble leadership in every corner of the county. I truly hope you can become involved in this important effort. Sincerely, Eric J. Lundquist, Esq. Senior Legislative Affairs Specialist Government Relation Department elundquist@XXXXXX 614.856.1900 x1225 www.ama-cycle.org From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 10:07:13 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA08547 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id HAA14664 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 8 Jul 1999 07:07:09 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 8 Jul 1999 07:07:09 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Parking in DC Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 07:07:07 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >3. No motorized vehicle without pedals shall park on >islands or sidewalks. I see a loophole here!!! ;-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 10:16:12 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08712 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA24931 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03121 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA26840 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:16:05 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990708101332.01e5b310@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 10:16:03 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Dale City Riders Down Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have no information at all, but a co-worker just came in and told me that two of his riding buddies (Harley) in Dale City went down this week. Both were hit by an 18 year old girl that failed to yield. One apparently looks like a burn victim (severe road rash) the other has lost his arm. When the police arrived to ticket the girl (reckless driving) she said "this is the 3rd time I have hit a biker in two years." No comment from me required. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 10:20:57 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08819 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:20:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id rHURa24566 (3701); Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3c870462.24b60da5@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:20:21 EDT Subject: Re: front brake sticky...why? To: mark.petty@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 In a message dated 7/8/99 9:22:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mark.petty@XXXXXX writes: << So how tough is it to clean brake pistons? I _think_ one of my front pistons is sticking a little, but I'm not sure. Does it require draining the brake fluid? This is on an '83 Magna, by the way. >> In a message dated 7/8/99 9:22:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mark.petty@XXXXXX writes: It is not difficult but time consuming. Using a toothbrush and brake fluid only you brush the exposed part of the piston that will probably have a bunch of caked on dirt/gunk on it. To avoid problems you should clean the exposed part of the piston before changing pads so that when you compress the piston to allow for the greater thickness of the new pads, you don't have the dirty part of the piston in the cylinder. I don't recommend it but on a particularly dirty set of pistons I used turpentine as a solvent once. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 10:33:41 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09016 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:30:57 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB086E@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Dale City Riders Down Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:31:14 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I'll make one... pull the bitch's license. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 10:16 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Dale City Riders Down I have no information at all, but a co-worker just came in and told me that two of his riding buddies (Harley) in Dale City went down this week. Both were hit by an 18 year old girl that failed to yield. One apparently looks like a burn victim (severe road rash) the other has lost his arm. When the police arrived to ticket the girl (reckless driving) she said "this is the 3rd time I have hit a biker in two years." No comment from me required. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 10:45:33 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from alms1.fw.att.com (alms1.att.com [192.128.167.146]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09262 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140r1.ems.att.com ([135.65.202.58]) by alms1.fw.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id KAA07105 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh2.ems.att.com by njb140r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id KAA12423; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh2.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <33VPSYNN>; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:44:57 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B5576@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Mid Ohio Vintage Motorcycle Days Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:33:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Well, I have reserved a rental car, and I'm going to Mid Ohio by meself, unless someone wants to be at my house at 4am Friday morning to tag along. Does anyone near Sterling have a small tent I could borrow? Thanks, Rich (cagin' it) '78 Triumph Bonneville (only 95% back together) '99 Enfield Bullet 350 (top speed = 60mph) Sterling > -----Original Message----- > From: Crishock, Richard M, BGM > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 6:01 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Mid Ohio Vintage Motorcycle Days > > Is anyone from our group going to Mid Ohio this weekend? If anyone is > cagin' it, and wouldn't mind a passenger, I would sure be interested to > hear from them. :) I will gladly share driving duties, and chip in for > petrol. > > Please reply directly to me, as I am on the digest. > > Thanks very much, > > Rich > '78 Triumph Bonneville > '99 Enfield Bullet > Sterling From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 11:09:33 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09672 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:09:32 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 5YGZa17576 (4529); Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8621d122.24b6183b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:05:31 EDT Subject: Re: front brake sticky...REPLY To: cb-1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 15 In a message dated 7/8/99 10:29:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cb-1@XXXXXX writes: << There's no reason you can't do it yourself. >> as soon as I figure out what the caliper is Ross :D ok - I've had ALL kinds of ideas thrown at me: 1) calipers sticking 2) air still in the brake lines even though the were bled and refilled not two weeks ago 3) a bad master cylinder or wheel cylinder (what does that mean???) 4) dirty brake pistons I'm going to wash it tonight (taking care of possibility #4) as it's FILTHY right now, DOES stay outside all the time, and I've been not putting the cover on lately out of sheer laziness ... hopefully that will take care of it ... if not, Ross or Charlie or anyone really ;D, would you mind giving me some detailed instructions on how to check/fix the calipers? (#1) and if someone could explain what is meant by #3 (bad master cylinder) ... then I can hopefully eliminate each possibility and HOPEfully fix the problem before I get into having to take it into the shop again for the brake lines... Thanks everybody. Marcy From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 11:39:30 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA10284 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:39:28 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA17251; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:37:56 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa13578; Thu, 8 Jul 99 11:35:07 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FEK00JIU623ZT@XXXXXX>; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567A8.00532156 ; Thu, 08 Jul 1999 11:07:59 -0400 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 11:32:51 -0400 Subject: Re: front brake sticky...REPLY To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Cc: cb-1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567A8.00557463.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Marcy, Do this imply that it was previously in the shop for brake lines? If so, I would start there and get them to atleast check out their previous work (au gratis) to make sure that they weren't the ones that introduced air into the lines in the first place. --chris To: cb-1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Date: 07/08/99 03:05:31 PM GMT Subject: Re: front brake sticky...REPLY --snip-- then I can hopefully eliminate each possibility and HOPEfully fix the problem before I get into having to take it into the shop again for the brake lines... --snip-- ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 11:41:41 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from chi6-1.relay.mail.uu.net (chi6-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.98]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10298 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:41:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by chi6sosrv11.alter.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgwzm08995; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 15:41:29 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 852567A8.0056CCD1 ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:48:05 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Dysart Glenn B Mr SAM" cc: "'DC Cycles'" Message-ID: <852567A8.0056CB96.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:31:58 -0400 Subject: RE: Dale City Riders Down Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Nah, take her arm. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Dysart Glenn B Mr SAM" on 07/08/99 10:31:14 AM To: "'DC Cycles'" cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: RE: Dale City Riders Down I'll make one... pull the bitch's license. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 10:16 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Dale City Riders Down I have no information at all, but a co-worker just came in and told me that two of his riding buddies (Harley) in Dale City went down this week. Both were hit by an 18 year old girl that failed to yield. One apparently looks like a burn victim (severe road rash) the other has lost his arm. When the police arrived to ticket the girl (reckless driving) she said "this is the 3rd time I have hit a biker in two years." No comment from me required. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 11:58:47 1999 Return-Path: brn626@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10678 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brn626 (207-172-78-77.s14.as6.lee.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.78.77]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id LAA13120; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000801bec95b$8193b320$4d4eaccf@brn626> From: "Brian N" To: , Subject: Re: Mid-Ohio 16th&17th Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:04:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Hey Chris, I'm pretty sure you can still get tickets at the gate. Try call the track at 1 800 MID OHIO. I think there are about 6 of us going up. I plan on caging up on Thursday before 5 a.m. I believe the rest are taking bikes. Some of us a staying at the Super 8 in Mount Vernon, Ohio. Hope this info helps. Brian N 96 FZR600 -----Original Message----- From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 9:59 AM Subject: Re: Mid-Ohio 16th&17th >Is it too late to get in on this? Are tickets still available? > >Chris Weaver >'98 VTR 1000 >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received >this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 12:15:48 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11064 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 112Gpr-0007EV-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:15:43 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:15:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Dale City Riders Down In-Reply-To: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB086E@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'ld rather pull her teeth and nails. Anyone see my rusty pliers? On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: > I'll make one... pull the bitch's license. > > Glenn > > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 10:16 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Dale City Riders Down > > > I have no information at all, but a co-worker just came in and told me that > two of his riding buddies (Harley) in Dale City went down this week. Both > were hit by an 18 year old girl that failed to yield. One apparently looks > like a burn victim (severe road rash) the other has lost his arm. > > When the police arrived to ticket the girl (reckless driving) she said > "this is the 3rd time I have hit a biker in two years." > > No comment from me required. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 12:30:08 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11370 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 112H3i-0000jm-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:30:02 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:30:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: front brake sticky...REPLY In-Reply-To: <8621d122.24b6183b@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 1. Calipers usually ride on a rod as the pistons only work on one side. As the piston pushes out of the caliper it pushes on the rotor which in turn cause the caliper to slide away from the rotor. This sliding away motion causes the brake pads on the opposite side of the rotor to provide braking force. In this way braking force is applied to both sides of the rotor. Check to make sure that the caliper can move left to right. 3b, and 4 are the same thing. The calipers have pistons in them that push the brake pad onto the rotor. 3a. The master cylinder is usually located on your handlebars by the brake lever. When you pull the lever you are activatin a little piston in the resevoir which forces brake fluid into the brake line. If any of this is incorrect I'm sure the list will be kind enough to disabuse me. On Thu, 8 Jul 1999 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 7/8/99 10:29:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cb-1@XXXXXX > writes: > > << There's no reason you > can't do it yourself. >> > > as soon as I figure out what the caliper is Ross :D > ok - I've had ALL kinds of ideas thrown at me: > > 1) calipers sticking > 2) air still in the brake lines even though the were bled and refilled not > two weeks ago > 3) a bad master cylinder or wheel cylinder (what does that mean???) > 4) dirty brake pistons > > I'm going to wash it tonight (taking care of possibility #4) as it's FILTHY > right now, DOES stay outside all the time, and I've been not putting the > cover on lately out of sheer laziness ... hopefully that will take care of it > ... > > if not, Ross or Charlie or anyone really ;D, would you mind giving me some > detailed instructions on how to check/fix the calipers? (#1) > > and if someone could explain what is meant by #3 (bad master cylinder) ... > > then I can hopefully eliminate each possibility and HOPEfully fix the problem > before I get into having to take it into the shop again for the brake lines... > > Thanks everybody. > > Marcy > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 13:10:23 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12085 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 13:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 13:09:24 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'todd.b.peer@XXXXXX'" , "'DCCy'" Subject: Where to buy?? Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 13:09:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Todd Peer said, "I heard that Banzai Motorsports has been sold recently and that the deep discounting they used to offer for mail-order is now a thing of the past. True? " They stopped the discounting but dunno about being sold. Also heard that the halt was temporary. "Anybody have a favorite mail-order house they use that are reliable and not very expensive? To give you an idea of what I'm looking for, I used to be able to buy a Honda-Line oil filter for $6 at Banzai. Please respond directly to me as I'm not on the list right now. Thanks." Here's to you and the List cuz I gotta question. Discount Honda: Honda of Riverhead (NY), Contact Information Telephone: 800-955-2925 FAX: 800-258-7195 Electronic mail General Information: Sales@XXXXXX www.discounthondaparts.com Suzuki parts? Banzai was my best source (quicker & cheaper) of new parts for my ancient hulk. enny boddy have a good source for Suzuki parts? I had to drive my '80 GS450E home in 5th gear yesterday because the pin-in-the-lever off-the-transmission-shaft broke; now it's temporarily peened in. Carl in Bethesda (It feels so cool today) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 14:48:38 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14126 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:47:44 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Cc: "'SuazoT@XXXXXX'" Subject: Parking in DC Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:47:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Suazo, Tony confessed, "I know this topic has been visited before; unfortunately, at the time it didn't apply to me so I deleted those messages. My wife recently started to work in DC at 20th and K Streets, NW. Does anyone know of the following: 1) Parking garages that are motorcycle friendly, or" 2) Street parking locations for motorcycles." >From last January: Parking Tips: 1. When parked in spaces designed for their exclusive use, motorcycles must park in designated areas with rear wheel to the curb. 2. Metered parking is in effect during the hours posted. 3. No motorized vehicle without pedals shall park on islands or sidewalks. ($50!! BTDT) 4. Park one motorcycle per stall. 5. Most parking is metered for 4 hours, at 25 cents per hour. 6. Motorcycles may park in metered zones for automobiles providing the parking meter is paid. When parked in spaces designed for automobiles, motorcycles should park parallel to the curb. 800 block Vermont Ave, NW -- 23 spaces 800 block C St. SW -- 10 600 block Indiana Ave. NW -- 6 600 block G St. NW --6 200 block Independence Ave SE -- 9 600 block 2nd St. NW -- 10 spaces 2000 block T St NW -- 10 1300 block New York Ave NW -- 10 1700 block M St. NW -- 31 1400 block G St. NW -- 14 2100 block Eye St. NW -- 10 spaces 1800 block H St NW -- 16 2200 block E St NW -- 9 1100 block Vermont Ave NW -- 10 Unit block G St NW -- 8 (On the south side of G St. immediately west of North Capitol. No meters, just a sign that says Motorcycle parking. LB) 1200 block New Hampshire Ave NW -- 20 spaces 1500 block 19th St NW -- 7 1700 block G St NW -- 11 2200 block F St NW -- 6 1400 block M St NW -- 6 300 block Eye St NW -- 14 spaces 600 block E St NW -- 6 900 block 15th St NW -- 12 1800 block Eye St NW -- 9 1300 block K St NW -- 9 1800 block Pennsylvania Ave NW -- 9 spaces 2000 block Florida Ave NW -- 10 300 block Virginia Ave SW -- 10 1800 block M St NW -- 24 1100 block Thomas Jefferson St NW -- 5 3000 block VanNess St NW -- 13 spaces 2500 block 6th St NW -- 10 Away from the area you're interested in but others might find this useful: There is free motorcycle parking (no meter heads) on C, SW between 12th & 14 behind USDA. In the USDA parking lot on Independence close to 12th On the SW side of the Humphrey building (200 Independence?) the Humphrey building (Independence Ave, SW) has free MC parking on the sidewalk/patio and is sort of covered (there's a roof way up high). It's on the SW side of the building (KR) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 15:29:00 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA14866 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 15:28:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2JYNa18287 (3888) for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 15:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <73990e5.24b655a7@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 15:27:35 EDT Subject: Re: Parking in DC - Loopholes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 >3. No motorized vehicle without pedals shall park on >islands or sidewalks. I think I was thinking the same thought you were when I initially read that....god, that's scary. Thinking like the old man now....what's next?!? -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 16:02:08 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA15488 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA21097 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:01:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Good article Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There's another good article at Interactive Motorcycle. It seems like I've read it before but it was just posted there... http://www.activebike.com/index/features/piv/piv.htm Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 16:02:51 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA15498 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:02:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 95 (207-172-109-60.s60.as1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.60]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA07952; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <019e01bec97d$0da402e0$3c6daccf@95> From: "D. Thompson" To: , "Hugh Caldwell" References: Subject: Re: Mid-Ohio 16th&17th Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:04:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I am not sure if there have been any travelling arrangements as of yet, but it is definately time to start. How about we meet at the resturaunt in Manassas that was the meeting place for the last ride? Time is open. I think most people were talking about leaving on Thursday the 15th. I am riding out and will be staying with Brian. Hey Chris, are you going? I think you can get tickets up to and on the day of the races. Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 ----- Original Message ----- From: Hugh Caldwell To: Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 9:37 AM Subject: Mid-Ohio 16th&17th > > I know that a group of DC-Cycles folks are going up > to the races in Ohio and I was wondering if any sort of travelling > plans have been made yet? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 16:05:30 1999 Return-Path: rdrdr@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA15577 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2j6q4 (209-122-214-212.s466.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.214.212]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA01006 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004a01bec996$2bd7e880$d4d67ad1@m2j6q4> From: "rdrdr" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Md. Lawyer ? Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 15:51:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I have a couple of citations from a car accidenct I had a few months ago. Anyone have a Maryland lawyer they can recommend ? Niv DR650 DC From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 16:26:03 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA15872 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA27687; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:25:54 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990708162512.01ed0b00@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 16:25:52 -0400 To: "rdrdr" From: Troutman Subject: Re: Md. Lawyer ? Cc: "dc-cycles" In-Reply-To: <004a01bec996$2bd7e880$d4d67ad1@m2j6q4> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I know a good lawyer in MD...nice rock climber too. Mark Garfinkel mgarfin@XXXXXX At 06:51 PM 7/8/99 , rdrdr wrote: >I have a couple of citations from a car accidenct I had a few months ago. > >Anyone have a Maryland lawyer they can recommend ? > >Niv >DR650 >DC ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org The author will not be held responsible for anything he says. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 16:27:15 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA15946 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user40.anent.com [208.195.115.40]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id QAA01303 for ; Thu, 08 Jul 1999 16:24:04 -0400 Message-ID: <00d101bec980$440f41c0$2873c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: Good article Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:27:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I think you read it in Motorcycle Consumer News. Fred writes the back page column. Also the copyright at the bottom of the page says 1997. Can you say Post Consumer Recycled Product? Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 4:01 PM Subject: Good article > There's another good article at Interactive Motorcycle. It seems like I've > read it before but it was just posted there... > > http://www.activebike.com/index/features/piv/piv.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 16:46:07 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16290 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA27766; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:46:01 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990708164353.01968470@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 16:46:00 -0400 To: Kirk Roy From: Troutman Subject: Re: Good article Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:01 PM 7/8/99 , Kirk Roy wrote: >There's another good article at Interactive Motorcycle. It seems like I've >read it before but it was just posted there... > >http://www.activebike.com/index/features/piv/piv.htm I liked the article, but read this out of context: "And since the only person I'm putting at risk is myself (and this concept may seem a bit radical to some of you), I actually believe that I have the God-given right to take that risk if I so desire. And besides, I feel great afterwards." and I read it the same way I would read a pro-drug legalization argument. I offer this forth to generate both controversy and list traffic ;-) I'm tired of my vfr list - same topics - 200 emails a day.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 16:48:08 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA16320 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:48:06 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA25368; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:48:55 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma022983; Thu, 8 Jul 99 16:47:05 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FEK00DVMKI42H@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567A8.006FB28D ; Thu, 08 Jul 1999 16:20:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 16:43:39 -0400 Subject: Re: Mid-Ohio 16th&17th To: "D. Thompson" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567A8.0072006C.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Danny, I'm debating it. I'll call up and find out how much they are. What kind of tickets are the rest of you guys getting? Full pit passes for both(?) days of racing or just one day no frills? What are the lodging arrangements you guys have already made? Would there be space for me to share a room or would I need to arrange something myself? Thanks for any info. If I go, I'll be riding up too. The Buffet place in Manassas is obviously okay with me - I live nearby. I'll try to let you know soon. Chris p.s. I recently completed a baffle-ectomy on the VTR's cans. Sounds like a proper v-twin now! :^) (Ducati-esque) You wrote: Hey Chris, are you going? I think you can get tickets up to and on the day of the races. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 17:45:01 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA17306 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 112LyQ-0004xu-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:44:54 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:44:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mid-Ohio 16th&17th In-Reply-To: <019e01bec97d$0da402e0$3c6daccf@95> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Do you mean "The Old Country Buffet"? Where are you and Brian planning on staying? On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, D. Thompson wrote: > I am not sure if there have been any travelling arrangements as of yet, but > it is definately time to start. How about we meet at the resturaunt in > Manassas that was the meeting place for the last ride? Time is open. I think > most people were talking about leaving on Thursday the 15th. I am riding out > and will be staying with Brian. > > Hey Chris, are you going? I think you can get tickets up to and on the day > of the races. > > Danny > '99 VFR > "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." > 1 Samuel 2:30 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Hugh Caldwell > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 9:37 AM > Subject: Mid-Ohio 16th&17th > > > > > > I know that a group of DC-Cycles folks are going up > > to the races in Ohio and I was wondering if any sort of travelling > > plans have been made yet? > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 17:59:14 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA17568 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 95 (207-172-109-60.s60.as1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.60]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA28115; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 18:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <029a01bec98d$4ed360c0$3c6daccf@95> From: "D. Thompson" To: , "Hugh Caldwell" References: Subject: Re: Mid-Ohio 16th&17th Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 18:00:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Hugh wrote: > Do you mean "The Old Country Buffet"? Yes, that's it. My mind drew a blank (doh, like that is news) > Where are you and Brian planning on staying? We have reservations at the Super 8 in Mt. Vernon Ohio, something like 25 miles from the track. OH BY THE WAY, anyone planning on going to Summit this weekend? Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 ----- Original Message ----- From: Hugh Caldwell To: Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 5:44 PM Subject: Re: Mid-Ohio 16th&17th > > On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, D. Thompson wrote: > > > I am not sure if there have been any travelling arrangements as of yet, but > > it is definately time to start. How about we meet at the resturaunt in > > Manassas that was the meeting place for the last ride? Time is open. I think > > most people were talking about leaving on Thursday the 15th. I am riding out > > and will be staying with Brian. > > > > Hey Chris, are you going? I think you can get tickets up to and on the day > > of the races. > > > > Danny > > '99 VFR > > "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." > > 1 Samuel 2:30 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Hugh Caldwell > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 9:37 AM > > Subject: Mid-Ohio 16th&17th > > > > > > > > > > I know that a group of DC-Cycles folks are going up > > > to the races in Ohio and I was wondering if any sort of travelling > > > plans have been made yet? > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 19:03:59 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from web303.yahoomail.com (web303.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.185]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA18704 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 19:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990708230415.14551.rocketmail@web303.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.4.241.102] by web303.yahoomail.com; Thu, 08 Jul 1999 16:04:15 PDT Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:04:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Loaner anyone?? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey all... looks like I'll be in town this weekend, but most likely without transportation.....Anyone have a bike I can borrow for the weekend?? (I promise not to ride it like it was one of my bikes ;-)) Also thinking a small ride on Sunday would be nice with maybe a stop out by Summit Point to catch a race or two.... anywho... I'm not subscribed right now, so a direct reply will be needed..I'll be checking mail again tomorrow around lunch before heading out for DC.... Oh yeah.. not sure if Brian or Jeff posted, but I won the Solo20 and B production races and took second in Formula 1 and B Superbike (barely)at Nelson Ledges last weekend... plan to keep the trophy streak alive at the WERA round at Summit Point at the end of the month.... Collin === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 21:15:10 1999 Return-Path: brn626@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA21027 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 21:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brn626 (207-172-58-253.s62.as8.lee.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.58.253]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA10122; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 21:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005401bec9a9$3d2a7040$fd3aaccf@brn626> From: "Brian N" To: "D. Thompson" , Subject: Re: Mid-Ohio 16th&17th Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 21:20:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Hey Danny, it would probably be a good idea if we all met before the races. That way we could plan on a meeting place at the track or wherever. Since I'm caging, I can probably take some stuff up (Ford Probes aren't the roomiest) Anytime is fine with me. See ya, Brian N. 96 Yamaha FZR600 -----Original Message----- From: D. Thompson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ; Hugh Caldwell Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 4:13 PM Subject: Re: Mid-Ohio 16th&17th >I am not sure if there have been any travelling arrangements as of yet, but >it is definately time to start. How about we meet at the resturaunt in >Manassas that was the meeting place for the last ride? Time is open. I think >most people were talking about leaving on Thursday the 15th. I am riding out >and will be staying with Brian. > > >Danny >'99 VFR >"...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." > 1 Samuel 2:30 > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 22:40:05 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22393 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 22:40:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id rIYJa03005 (7823); Thu, 8 Jul 1999 22:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36e00e45.24b6b805@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 22:27:17 EDT Subject: Re: Loaner anyone?? To: gixer_racer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Collin, I'm thinking of going up to Summit with Blue Streak on Saturday (racebike crank and cylinders are still in the shop) but I'm going sailing on Sunday so you can borrow her on Sunday if you can get out to Croom, Maryland to pick her up and possibly return her. I don't carry collision insurance but I know you ride slowly and safely.:-) Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 23:27:52 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA23329 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 23:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (a0203.chantilly.mns.net [206.239.104.235]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA23100; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 23:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37859814.389F@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 23:35:00 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hugh Caldwell CC: dc-cycles Subject: Mid-Ohio 16th&17th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hugh Caldwell wrote: > I know that a group of DC-Cycles folks are going up > to the races in Ohio and I was wondering if any sort of travelling > plans have been made yet? Hey Hugh, The races take place on the 18th too (Sun). I have my ticket already :) Keith Code's California Superbike School is on the 19th and Kirk Roy, myself and a buddy of mine will be there for that too. As they might be leaving for Mid-Ohio hours later than I want, I'm going to leave Saturday early in the a.m. and take my time going out there on scenic, twisty roads. Here is the route that I envision riding out there: Rt 7 --> Rt 50 --> Rt 250 --> Rt. 39 --> Rt. 3 --> Rt.97 --> Lexington. After that I'll trudge on to Marion where we have a room reserved. Anyone have a program that can plot the mileage there real easily? Feel free to send the ride sheet my way ;) This should be a very exciting weekend at Mid-Ohio. I may try to corner work while I'm there too, unless there's some AMA type regulation preventing such... Later, JK (D-mode) N.B. Anyone else going to the WERA 4 hour endurance race at Summit Point this weekend? This is one of my favorite races every year. I may have an entry bracelet available for someone wanting to attend on Sunday. If anyone wants it, check with me off-list. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 8 23:53:45 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA23706 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 23:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (a0203.chantilly.mns.net [206.239.104.235]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA23365 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 23:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37859E2A.31F1@mnsinc.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 00:00:58 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Whoops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, astute DC-Cycles listers have pointed out to me that the WERA endurance nationals will not be on 'til the end of the month. I was misinformed somehow... Mea culpa. This weekend at SP, it will be CCS Regional Sprints. Sorry for any confusion. JK From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 08:20:51 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f83.hotmail.com [209.185.131.146]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA03125 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:20:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 734 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 1999 12:20:17 -0000 Message-ID: <19990709122017.733.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.229.31.22 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 05:20:17 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.229.31.22] Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX From: "Leon Begeman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: This morning's commute Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 05:20:17 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed It was a fun ride in this morning. I was daydreaming as I passed Horkster's street and past the LEO with the radar gun. I wasn't awake yet and was busy fumbling with my coffee cup, so he probably wondered why a bike was going so slowly. Then on the HOV lanes a Honda Shadow (or maybe a Magna) passed me. Neat, she was wearing a Women on Wheels jacket (and other clothes as well) Ok, so she wasn't Marcy Godiva, but it's always nice to see a woman on a bike. Finally when I got into DC on 12th street, the crowning moment of the morning. I passed Craig! Thanks Craig, you made my day. I split lanes after going throught the 12th St tunnel, then beat a car off the line at the traffic light. Craig was near Federal Triangle when we met. Lane splitting is just another fun aspect of riding. I couldn't split lanes all day any more than I can scrape pegs all day, but a little diversity in riding makes all of it more interesting. Leon. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 08:41:19 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f202.hotmail.com [209.185.130.112]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA03366 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17300 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 1999 12:40:45 -0000 Message-ID: <19990709124045.17299.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.229.31.23 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 05:40:44 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.229.31.23] Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX From: "Leon Begeman" To: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Dale City Riders Down Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 05:40:44 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >When the police arrived to ticket the girl (reckless driving) she >said >"this is the 3rd time I have hit a biker in two years." Glenn said: >... pull the bitch's license. Glenn, you're being much too easy on her. Three strikes and you're out. This ought to involve jail time and a very expensive law-suit. (I make the assumption that she was at fault in the other two as well). Leon. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 08:44:50 1999 Return-Path: Bluice101@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03441 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:44:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Bluice101@XXXXXX Received: from Bluice101@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2PMDa26362 (14424) for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3ae2901e.24b74892@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:44:02 EDT Subject: Re: This morning's commute To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 In a message dated 7/9/99 8:30:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mriderleon@XXXXXX writes: << dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Who is Marcy Godiva??? I was riding a Royal Star and this mornings ride was beautiful. I guess that's why everyone passed me I got caught in my own little world. About time I see some of you DC Cycles people on the road. :) Bluice101@XXXXXX Debbie 98 Red Royal Star From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 08:46:17 1999 Return-Path: matte@XXXXXX Received: from mail.savvis.net (mail.savvis.net [209.83.194.44]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03523 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Nova2.sales.savvis.net (h230-89-217-199.sales.savvis.net [199.217.89.230]) by mail.savvis.net (8.8.8/Savvis_V0.4) with SMTP id HAA04894; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 07:45:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:42:22 -0400 Message-ID: <01BEC9E6.F60D9960.matte@savvis.net> From: "Matthew R. Elliott" Reply-To: "matte@XXXXXX" To: "'mrider@XXXXXX'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: This morning's commute Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:42:21 -0400 Organization: Savvis Communications X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's a question for the list re: Splitting Lanes - isn't that basically riding in the middle of two cars in 2 lanes, ie: riding on the passing lines, making a '3rd' lane for the bike? If so (and not wearing any flame retardants today) wouldn't that be considered "squidly?" I've either misinterpreted what splitting lanes is, or my definition of squids is off somewhere. Is it common to split lanes? Matt (who ever so often can be squidly or squirly, depending on mode of transportation) -----Original Message----- From: Leon Begeman [SMTP:mriderleon@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 8:20 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: This morning's commute It was a fun ride in this morning. I was daydreaming as I passed Horkster's street and past the LEO with the radar gun. I wasn't awake yet and was busy fumbling with my coffee cup, so he probably wondered why a bike was going so slowly. Then on the HOV lanes a Honda Shadow (or maybe a Magna) passed me. Neat, she was wearing a Women on Wheels jacket (and other clothes as well) Ok, so she wasn't Marcy Godiva, but it's always nice to see a woman on a bike. Finally when I got into DC on 12th street, the crowning moment of the morning. I passed Craig! Thanks Craig, you made my day. I split lanes after going throught the 12th St tunnel, then beat a car off the line at the traffic light. Craig was near Federal Triangle when we met. Lane splitting is just another fun aspect of riding. I couldn't split lanes all day any more than I can scrape pegs all day, but a little diversity in riding makes all of it more interesting. Leon. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 09:03:13 1999 Return-Path: Cathy.Love@XXXXXX Received: from dadc001.HQ.AF.MIL ([134.205.95.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03763 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:07:29 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: This morning's commute Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:02:51 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) -----Original Message----- From: Love, Cathy, Ms, SAM-OPNR Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 8:58 AM To: 'mrider@XXXXXX' Subject: RE: This morning's commute Were you the guy on the John Deere Bike? I enjoyed your whole hearted wave this morning as well! In fact, before I read you posting, I commented to a friend about your bike and the nice friendly wave you gave me on the way in. Thanks for making MY Day!! By the way, it's a Shadow! Have a great day. Cathy Love -----Original Message----- From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mriderleon@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 8:20 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: This morning's commute It was a fun ride in this morning. I was daydreaming as I passed Horkster's street and past the LEO with the radar gun. I wasn't awake yet and was busy fumbling with my coffee cup, so he probably wondered why a bike was going so slowly. Then on the HOV lanes a Honda Shadow (or maybe a Magna) passed me. Neat, she was wearing a Women on Wheels jacket (and other clothes as well) Ok, so she wasn't Marcy Godiva, but it's always nice to see a woman on a bike. Finally when I got into DC on 12th street, the crowning moment of the morning. I passed Craig! Thanks Craig, you made my day. I split lanes after going throught the 12th St tunnel, then beat a car off the line at the traffic light. Craig was near Federal Triangle when we met. Lane splitting is just another fun aspect of riding. I couldn't split lanes all day any more than I can scrape pegs all day, but a little diversity in riding makes all of it more interesting. Leon. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 09:05:33 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f79.hotmail.com [209.185.131.142]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA03835 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 39648 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 1999 13:04:59 -0000 Message-ID: <19990709130459.39647.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.229.31.22 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 06:04:59 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.229.31.22] Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX From: "Leon Begeman" To: mike@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good article Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 06:04:59 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed http://www.activebike.com/index/features/piv/piv.htm (Fred Rau) >"And since the only person I'm putting at risk is myself (and this >concept >may seem a bit radical to some of you), I actually believe >that I have the >God-given right to take that risk if I so desire. >And besides, I feel >great afterwards." > Mike Troutman: >and I read it the same way I would read a pro-drug legalization argument. This isn't controversial. It's the basis for the third political party in the US. http://www.lp.org I met their candidate for Chairman of the Board of Prince William County Supervisors last night at the Prince William Off-Road Council meeting. PWORC@XXXXXX Leon. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 09:15:23 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04037 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA04848 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:15:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: This morning's commute In-Reply-To: <19990709122017.733.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, Leon Begeman wrote: > Finally when I got into DC on 12th street, the crowning moment of the > morning. I passed Craig! Thanks Craig, you made my day. Everybody passes Craig, the wanker! :) > I couldn't split lanes all day any more than I can scrape pegs all > day, but a little diversity in riding makes all of it more interesting. For some reason, it only feels ok to me to split lanes in DC and I'm only rarely in town. I certainly wish it was legal every morning as I sit on the beltway in PG/Mont counties... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 09:26:40 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04325 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A88C7A10288; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 09:26:36 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990709091929.00bb6230@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 09:26:21 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: This morning's commute In-Reply-To: <01BEC9E6.F60D9960.matte@savvis.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:42 AM 7/9/99 , Matthew R. Elliott wrote: >Here's a question for the list re: Splitting Lanes - isn't that basically >riding in the middle of two cars in 2 lanes, ie: riding on the passing >lines, making a '3rd' lane for the bike? > >If so (and not wearing any flame retardants today) wouldn't that be >considered "squidly?" I've either misinterpreted what splitting lanes is, >or my definition of squids is off somewhere. > >Is it common to split lanes? Lane splitting is a good way to get through car traffic. However, it's an advanced traffic maneuver that should not be taken lightly. I rarely split between cars which are moving, preferring merely to move to the head of the line at traffic lights. Sometimes I merely use the bike's size to ride down the edge of the road to make a right turn at a light rather than waiting for the cars to move out. Moving at a reasonable (slow) and non-aggressive speed is very important to avoiding ugly incidents, and being able to avoid cars or car doors. In DC, lane-splitting is implicitly condoned by other drivers and police, if done sensibly. In Arlington it's looked on a little less favorably by drivers. Police don't like it at all. In areas farther out, car drivers can go ballistic at the idea that someone would choose a vehicle that can get through the traffic jams created by their SUV's and minivans. Rocketing between cars, or splitting lanes to go 70 through 50 mph traffic would be squidly. Moving up through stopped cars to get to the head of the line, and when the light turns green squirting ahead into the space that cars can get to, is not squidly. America is one of the few countries that actually expect motorcyclists to ride like they are a car. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 09:43:12 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04759 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 112ave-0002Nx-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 06:43:02 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 06:43:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Apollo 12 astronaut Pete Conra... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://www.cnn.com/TECH/space/9907/09/conrad.obit.02/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 09:51:26 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04927 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA01672 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA01977 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA30210 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:51:05 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990709094513.019eed00@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 09:49:41 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Catching Air Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yesterday on my way home, I was on Centreville Road crossing 50 (close to Fast Lanes) and caught quite a bit of air in the middle of the intersection. I was going about 55 to make the light - gunned it a bit - and caught about a second of hang time and a foot of air (much to the delight of the stopped cagers I am sure). My first time off the ground with both wheels (on-road) and had to share. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 10:13:02 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05302 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 95 (207-172-109-60.s60.as1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.60]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA24552 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01cd01beca15$60a36ec0$3c6daccf@95> From: "D. Thompson" To: References: <4.1.19990709094513.019eed00@mail.wheatintl.com> Subject: Re: Catching Air Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:14:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Hey Troutman, you keep that up and your going to make us lowly "sport tourers" get a bad rep. as hooligans and squids like those more pure sport riders.... :) If you want to get some air, follow me out to Summit on Saturday and I'll show you a road that gets you air a couple or 3 times in about 1.5 miles. Yee Hiiiii! Dannny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 ----- Original Message ----- From: Troutman To: Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 9:49 AM Subject: Catching Air > Yesterday on my way home, I was on Centreville Road crossing 50 (close to > Fast Lanes) and caught quite a bit of air in the middle of the > intersection. I was going about 55 to make the light - gunned it a bit - > and caught about a second of hang time and a foot of air (much to the > delight of the stopped cagers I am sure). > > My first time off the ground with both wheels (on-road) and had to share. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 10:29:32 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA05583 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:28:48 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:28:42 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:27:25 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: kirk@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good article -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mike writes: "and I read it the same way I would read a pro-drug legalization argument." I'm with Fred (the author) on this one. The drug analogy doesn't wash--we "prudent speeders" don't burglarize houses, rob people or spread disease in pursuit of our fix. Joe '85 Ninja 900 (which cruises quite nicely at 80) From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 10:38:57 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA05792 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:38:55 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA20212; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:39:12 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma018627; Fri, 9 Jul 99 10:36:53 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FEL00K5PY0Y0O@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567A9.004DCC52 ; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:09:40 -0400 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:34:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Good article To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567A9.00501942.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL The Libertarian party is a great example of a group with a few good ideas and whole truckload of horrible ones. 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From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 10:47:13 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA05959 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:46:37 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:46:32 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:45:18 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dthompso1@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Catching Air -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I was just about to weigh in on that road myself--It's the one between "town" and the track, right? First time I rode to Summit a few years ago, I came upon a coupla squids (new CBRRRRs, Troy Lee helmets, square rear tires, shorts) who were impeding my fun. Right after I went around them, the road dropped out from under me, and I think they got a real good view of my belly pan. HooHah! 'Course it's just not the same in my pickup truck. Joe >>> "D. Thompson" - 7/9/99 10:14 AM >>> Hey Troutman, you keep that up and your going to make us lowly "sport tourers" get a bad rep. as hooligans and squids like those more pure sport riders.... :) If you want to get some air, follow me out to Summit on Saturday and I'll show you a road that gets you air a couple or 3 times in about 1.5 miles. Yee Hiiiii! Dannny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 ----- Original Message ----- From: Troutman To: Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 9:49 AM Subject: Catching Air > Yesterday on my way home, I was on Centreville Road crossing 50 (close to > Fast Lanes) and caught quite a bit of air in the middle of the > intersection. I was going about 55 to make the light - gunned it a bit - > and caught about a second of hang time and a foot of air (much to the > delight of the stopped cagers I am sure). > > My first time off the ground with both wheels (on-road) and had to share. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 10:57:56 1999 Return-Path: schelzig@XXXXXX Received: from cpiserv2.dn.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [207.153.192.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06105 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pc37 (host54.cpi.dn.net [207.153.192.54]) by cpiserv2.dn.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id 3PH69SKK; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:51:18 -0400 Message-ID: <00ee01beca1b$ad9edd30$36c099cf@pc37.dn.net> From: "Erik Schelzig" To: , "Chris Norloff" Subject: Re: This morning's commute Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:59:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 9:47 AM Subject: RE: This morning's commute > >America is one of the few countries that actually expect motorcyclists to >ride like they are a car. > And, for that matter, park like a car. Why the disincentive for motorbiking in such traffic clogged cities such as DC? Erik Erik J. Schelzig 80 CX500D "Das Beast" http://gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~schelzig From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 11:09:27 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06269 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:09:25 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA02148; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:07:48 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma029895; Fri, 9 Jul 99 11:05:51 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FEL000I1ZDFSH@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567A9.005074C5 ; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:38:47 -0400 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:02:50 -0400 Subject: Re: Good article -Reply To: JOE NAGY Cc: kirk@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567A9.0052C59C.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Yes, but others would argue that you're endangering other road users. I don't agree with this, but I'm sure that's the response you'd get. Chris "prudent and sometimes not-so-prudent speeder" Weaver '98 VTR 1000 (which cruises quite nicely at 100mph and above but rarely gets the chance to do it) From: JOE NAGY I'm with Fred (the author) on this one. The drug analogy doesn't wash--we "prudent speeders" don't burglarize houses, rob people or spread disease in pursuit of our fix. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 11:10:41 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06275 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA30421; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:10:36 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990709110949.019ddf10@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:10:25 -0400 To: "D. Thompson" From: Troutman Subject: Re: Catching Air Cc: In-Reply-To: <01cd01beca15$60a36ec0$3c6daccf@95> References: <4.1.19990709094513.019eed00@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:14 AM 7/9/99 , D. Thompson wrote: >Hey Troutman, you keep that up and your going to make us lowly "sport >tourers" get a bad rep. as hooligans and squids like those more pure sport >riders.... :) If you want to get some air, follow me out to Summit on >Saturday and I'll show you a road that gets you air a couple or 3 times in >about 1.5 miles. Yee Hiiiii! I test rode a Kan-a-tuna on the road you are talking about. Just before Summit Point. What an awesome road to live on.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 11:10:46 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06278 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA30418; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:10:35 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990709110624.019db080@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:09:26 -0400 To: JOE NAGY From: Troutman Subject: Re: Good article -Reply Cc: kirk@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:27 AM 7/9/99 , JOE NAGY wrote: >Mike writes: > >"and I read it the same way I would read a pro-drug legalization >argument." > >I'm with Fred (the author) on this one. The drug analogy doesn't >wash--we "prudent speeders" don't burglarize houses, rob people or >spread disease in pursuit of our fix. Hey - I never said it was a perfect analogy. Just read out of context, it worked. I am a prudent speeder and rare squid - I support what he is talking about. But there are serious consequences to going 120 on what you believe is a deserted road. Maybe a bicyclist is doing the same thing, or a hiker. Maybe someone is learning how to drive on that stretch of the road. All possible - and potentially deadly. It is hard to write something off as not affecting anyone but yourself. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 11:12:15 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06348 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:12:14 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA07492; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:12:00 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma002674; Fri, 9 Jul 99 11:08:18 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FEL002AUZHMLH@XXXXXX>; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567A9.0050B4E4 ; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:41:18 -0400 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:05:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Good article -Reply To: JOE NAGY Cc: kirk@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567A9.0052FF67.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Joe, Just as you have the percrption that the average drug addict is a criminal, so do a lot of people have the perception that the average motorcyclist acts similar to the hell's angels in Hollister. That we run over children in school zones, and unfairly take their tax dollars to pay for our care when we are on life support after not wearing our helmets. Keep in mind that stereotypes in all fashions are usually inaccurate ... --chris To: kirk@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: JOE NAGY Date: 07/09/99 02:27:25 PM GMT Subject: Re: Good article -Reply Mike writes: "and I read it the same way I would read a pro-drug legalization argument." I'm with Fred (the author) on this one. The drug analogy doesn't wash--we "prudent speeders" don't burglarize houses, rob people or spread disease in pursuit of our fix. Joe '85 Ninja 900 (which cruises quite nicely at 80) ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 11:13:22 1999 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06358 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Wade ([12.4.21.59]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA10626 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:13:15 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990709110556.006b5378@mailhost.ncea.org> X-Sender: bernescut@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:05:56 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Cedric Bernescut Subject: RE: This morning's commute In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990709091929.00bb6230@mail.toward.com> References: <01BEC9E6.F60D9960.matte@savvis.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I grew up near LA and lane-splitting was not only condoned there, it was practically required. The nice thing about lane splitting is that is prevents bikes from taking up another space the size of a car. The generally acknowledged rule that I was taught was to go 10 mph higher than the traffic around you, thus if traffic was crawling at 20 mph, you could safely go 30mph. If traffic was stopped, you'd go 10mph, going 20 was considered "squidly" to borrow a term. You just had to be careful because you still face the usual obstacles and a few unusual ones, too (such as a tossed cigarette landing in one's crotch as you rode by a smoker with her arm out the window.) I pretty much understood when I moved back here that Virginia hadn't realized the benefits of lane-splitting and it was definitely illegal here. Is it the same in DC, or is it just ignored? In LA its the opposite of DC in regards to jaywalking, there its a severe crime which warrants a ticket or a couple of hollow point rounds, depending on the severity. By the way, my commute was great today, too. I saw one rider at the end of the Whitehurst freeway, but that was it. I66 is fantastic in the early AM-best argument for HOV ever. Cedric CBR600 Annandale, VA >In DC, lane-splitting is implicitly condoned by other drivers and police, >if done sensibly. In Arlington it's looked on a little less favorably by >drivers. Police don't like it at all. In areas farther out, car drivers >can go ballistic at the idea that someone would choose a vehicle that can >get through the traffic jams created by their SUV's and minivans. > >Rocketing between cars, or splitting lanes to go 70 through 50 mph traffic >would be squidly. Moving up through stopped cars to get to the head of the >line, and when the light turns green squirting ahead into the space that >cars can get to, is not squidly. > >America is one of the few countries that actually expect motorcyclists to >ride like they are a car. > >Chris Norloff >Falls Church, Virginia >1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 11:15:45 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06463 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for trouble.meretrix.com [209.116.254.22]) with SMTP; 9 Jul 1999 18:15:07 UT Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:13 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "JOE NAGY" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "dthompso1@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: Catching Air -Reply Message-ID: <19990709111445724-892d88f@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lenzy and I used to drive that same road with my 340 Duster... nothing like a WHOLE BUNCH OF AIR with a 3000lb. car! Route 9 at night especially past Charles Town is great, too! Not going to be doing anything like that with the new Formula though. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: Catching Air -Reply Author: NAGYJ@XXXXXX (JOE NAGY) Date: 7/9/99 10:45 AM I was just about to weigh in on that road myself--It's the one between "town" and the track, right? First time I rode to Summit a few years ago, I came upon a coupla squids (new CBRRRRs, Troy Lee helmets, square rear tires, shorts) who were impeding my fun. Right after I went around them, the road dropped out from under me, and I think they got a real good view of my belly pan. HooHah! 'Course it's just not the same in my pickup truck. Joe >>> "D. Thompson" - 7/9/99 10:14 AM >>> Hey Troutman, you keep that up and your going to make us lowly "sport tourers" get a bad rep. as hooligans and squids like those more pure sport riders.... :) If you want to get some air, follow me out to Summit on Saturday and I'll show you a road that gets you air a couple or 3 times in about 1.5 miles. Yee Hiiiii! Dannny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 ----- Original Message ----- From: Troutman To: Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 9:49 AM Subject: Catching Air > Yesterday on my way home, I was on Centreville Road crossing 50 (close to > Fast Lanes) and caught quite a bit of air in the middle of the > intersection. I was going about 55 to make the light - gunned it a bit - > and caught about a second of hang time and a foot of air (much to the > delight of the stopped cagers I am sure). > > My first time off the ground with both wheels (on-road) and had to share. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 11:22:15 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06561 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:22:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:22:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199907091122.AA89456762@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "DC Cycles" Subject: FWD: Looking for a Connie X-Mailer: Steve Beck, are you still on the list? Do you still have your old Connie for sale? This guy might know someone who is interested. Good luck! Dale ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Jeffrey Wilt" Reply-To: jwilt@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:01:06 -0700 >A friend of mine is looking for a used Connie. FInances dictate that it be "Pre-94." If anyone knows of a machine in the middle Atlantic states area that is available, please reply to me off-list. TIA. Jeff Wilt COG 3017 Fair Lawn, NJ '92 Black Concours "Shaft" From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 11:26:45 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06606 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A4AE19A023E; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:26:38 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990709110924.00a32ea0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:11:26 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: This morning's commute In-Reply-To: <00ee01beca1b$ad9edd30$36c099cf@pc37.dn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:59 AM 7/9/99 , Erik Schelzig wrote: > >America is one of the few countries that actually expect motorcyclists to > >ride like they are a car. > > > >And, for that matter, park like a car. Why the disincentive for motorbiking >in such traffic clogged cities such as DC? Good question! Don't have a good answer. There's still some incentive to motorcycle, just don't expect a government to recognize the motorcycle's value. I pay less per month to park than many cars pay for one day. And I never get gridlocked. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 11:30:14 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06772 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:30:12 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA04940; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:31:00 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma002148; Fri, 9 Jul 99 11:28:46 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FEM005LZ0FQDL@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567A9.00528FB1 ; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:01:47 -0400 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:26:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Catching Air -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567A9.0054E195.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Danny might be referring to route 230 between Shepherdstown and Harper's Ferry (15 minutes from Charlestown). There is a series of two bumps one after the other and both can send you skyward. Never tried it on a motorcycle, but it was pretty exciting in my old Toyota Corolla! Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 Joe Nagy wrote: I was just about to weigh in on that road myself--It's the one between "town" and the track, right? D. Thompson wrote: If you want to get some air, follow me out to Summit on Saturday and I'll show you a road that gets you air a couple or 3 times in about 1.5 miles. Yee Hiiiii! ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 11:33:49 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06784 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:33:06 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:32:57 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:31:20 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good article -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Well, by "prudent" I'm talking about clear roads, good weather, no one around to endanger. I've often found that "they" who don't like it are the jealous, the ignorant, the incompetent. Speed is bad, no matter what--how dare you have fun with it? In conclusion, "they" can kiss my butt. Joe >>> - 7/9/99 11:02 AM >>> Yes, but others would argue that you're endangering other road users. I don't agree with this, but I'm sure that's the response you'd get. Chris "prudent and sometimes not-so-prudent speeder" Weaver '98 VTR 1000 (which cruises quite nicely at 100mph and above but rarely gets the chance to do it) From: JOE NAGY I'm with Fred (the author) on this one. The drug analogy doesn't wash--we "prudent speeders" don't burglarize houses, rob people or spread disease in pursuit of our fix. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 11:38:11 1999 Return-Path: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06871 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:38:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852567A9.0055857F ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:34:07 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567A9.0054ADBC.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:34:02 -0400 Subject: Re: This morning's commute Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline >America is one of the few countries that actually expect motorcyclists to >ride like they are a car. > And, for that matter, park like a car. Why the disincentive for motorbiking in such traffic clogged cities such as DC? Prabably because most typical government officials and law makers don't have a clue how to use common sense in their decision making. And even if they do know how to use common sense, there is probably some prior rule in place that prevents them from doing what's sensible. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 11:43:16 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06969 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdell15yze (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA00377; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000c01beca22$127f3d20$ce01a8c0@wsdell15yze.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt Senser" To: "JOE NAGY" , , Subject: Re: Catching Air -Reply Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:45:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I did one of the best wheelies of my life the other day at that exact same intersection. It was on the 4th, the day which I rode just about everywhere in Northern Va. I went by Fast Lane Cycles to see if the any one was around, of course they were'nt and so I decided to swing by my parents house (they live in Herndon). At that light, some kid rolls up in his lowered-purple-neon-lights-under-the-car-gigantic-muffler-honda-civic, and starts revving the engine. I, being in an adventurous mood and wanting to show this kid that even his super-suped-up civic that his parents probably bought still ain't s#!t. So I waited, not revving the motor or acting like a squid, until I saw the light change colors for the prependicular lanes of traffic. I must have had a reaction time on the 1/100ths scale, because as soon as the light changed I was gone. The combination of me slipping the clutch quickly and rolling on the throttle, along with the slight rise in the road ended up me starting a wheelie at the far side of the intersection which I rode PAST the entrance to Sully Plaza (probably a good 200 yards). By far the best one I've done on my not-so-wheelie-prone 600F3. I was giddy with delight after that (especially because some kids "hanging out" at the gas station on the corner were screaming when I flew by). Hehe...I love my bike :-) Hobbes 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va ____________________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ; dthompso1@XXXXXX Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 10:57 AM Subject: Re: Catching Air -Reply >I was just about to weigh in on that road myself--It's the one between >"town" and the track, right? First time I rode to Summit a few years >ago, I came upon a coupla squids (new CBRRRRs, Troy Lee helmets, square >rear tires, shorts) who were impeding my fun. Right after I went >around them, the road dropped out from under me, and I think they got a >real good view of my belly pan. HooHah! > >'Course it's just not the same in my pickup truck. > >Joe > >>>> "D. Thompson" - 7/9/99 10:14 AM >>> >Hey Troutman, you keep that up and your going to make us lowly "sport >tourers" get a bad rep. as hooligans and squids like those more pure >sport >riders.... :) If you want to get some air, follow me out to Summit on >Saturday and I'll show you a road that gets you air a couple or 3 times >in >about 1.5 miles. Yee Hiiiii! > >Dannny >'99 VFR >"...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." > 1 Samuel 2:30 >----- Original Message ----- >From: Troutman >To: >Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 9:49 AM >Subject: Catching Air > > >> Yesterday on my way home, I was on Centreville Road crossing 50 (close >to >> Fast Lanes) and caught quite a bit of air in the middle of the >> intersection. I was going about 55 to make the light - gunned it a >bit - >> and caught about a second of hang time and a foot of air (much to the >> delight of the stopped cagers I am sure). >> >> My first time off the ground with both wheels (on-road) and had to >share. >> >> ___________________________________________ >> Mike Troutman >> http://www.troutman.org >> >> '97 Honda VFR 750 >> >> >> > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 11:49:21 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07060 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 95 (207-172-109-60.s60.as1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.60]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA11115 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <024301beca22$d50dc1e0$3c6daccf@95> From: "D. Thompson" To: References: <19990709111445724-892d88f@fanniemaefoundation.org> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Catching Air -Reply Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:50:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 So Tom, you got your new car? How do you like it? Tell us more about it. I guess the poor Viffer is sitting in the garage feeling neglected and lonely now. Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Zell To: JOE NAGY ; ; Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 11:13 AM Subject: Re[2]: Catching Air -Reply > Lenzy and I used to drive that same road with my 340 Duster... nothing like a > WHOLE BUNCH OF AIR with a 3000lb. car! Route 9 at night especially past Charles > Town is great, too! Not going to be doing anything like that with the new > Formula though. > > Tom > '86 VFR750 > > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > Subject: Re: Catching Air -Reply > Author: NAGYJ@XXXXXX (JOE NAGY) > Date: 7/9/99 10:45 AM > > I was just about to weigh in on that road myself--It's the one between > "town" and the track, right? First time I rode to Summit a few years > ago, I came upon a coupla squids (new CBRRRRs, Troy Lee helmets, square > rear tires, shorts) who were impeding my fun. Right after I went > around them, the road dropped out from under me, and I think they got a > real good view of my belly pan. HooHah! > > 'Course it's just not the same in my pickup truck. > > Joe > > >>> "D. Thompson" - 7/9/99 10:14 AM >>> > Hey Troutman, you keep that up and your going to make us lowly "sport > tourers" get a bad rep. as hooligans and squids like those more pure > sport > riders.... :) If you want to get some air, follow me out to Summit on > Saturday and I'll show you a road that gets you air a couple or 3 times > in > about 1.5 miles. Yee Hiiiii! > > Dannny > '99 VFR > "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." > 1 Samuel 2:30 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Troutman > To: > Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 9:49 AM > Subject: Catching Air > > > > Yesterday on my way home, I was on Centreville Road crossing 50 (close > to > > Fast Lanes) and caught quite a bit of air in the middle of the > > intersection. I was going about 55 to make the light - gunned it a > bit - > > and caught about a second of hang time and a foot of air (much to the > > delight of the stopped cagers I am sure). > > > > My first time off the ground with both wheels (on-road) and had to > share. > > > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > > http://www.troutman.org > > > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 11:50:44 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA07132 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:49:35 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:49:33 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:47:49 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good article -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Didn't mean to imply that I thought the average drug addict is a criminal. But I did have a cop tell me after looking at the smashed window and the gaping hole in my car's dash that my stereo had probably already been rolled over for a drug buy. And don't get me started on the kids being sacrificed to the Crack Wars. Joe Nagy, Unindicted Felon >>> - 7/9/99 11:05 AM >>> Joe, Just as you have the percrption that the average drug addict is a criminal, so do a lot of people have the perception that the average motorcyclist acts similar to the hell's angels in Hollister. That we run over children in school zones, and unfairly take their tax dollars to pay for our care when we are on life support after not wearing our helmets. Keep in mind that stereotypes in all fashions are usually inaccurate ... --chris To: kirk@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: JOE NAGY Date: 07/09/99 02:27:25 PM GMT Subject: Re: Good article -Reply Mike writes: "and I read it the same way I would read a pro-drug legalization argument." I'm with Fred (the author) on this one. The drug analogy doesn't wash--we "prudent speeders" don't burglarize houses, rob people or spread disease in pursuit of our fix. Joe '85 Ninja 900 (which cruises quite nicely at 80) ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 11:52:20 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07144 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 95 (207-172-109-60.s60.as1.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.109.60]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA12657 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <025701beca23$3f38b660$3c6daccf@95> From: "D. Thompson" To: References: <852567A9.0054E195.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Subject: Re: Catching Air -Reply Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:53:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 That road is fun, but that is not the road to which I am referring..... :) Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Catching Air -Reply > Danny might be referring to route 230 between Shepherdstown and Harper's > Ferry (15 minutes from Charlestown). There is a series of two bumps one > after the other and both can send you skyward. Never tried it on a > motorcycle, but it was pretty exciting in my old Toyota Corolla! > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > Joe Nagy wrote: > I was just about to weigh in on that road myself--It's the one between > "town" and the track, right? > > D. Thompson wrote: > If you want to get some air, follow me out to Summit on > Saturday and I'll show you a road that gets you air a couple or 3 times > in about 1.5 miles. Yee Hiiiii! > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 11:56:37 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07174 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA02244 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA05324 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:57:43 -0400 Message-Id: <199907091157.AA81199402@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: , Troutman Subject: Re: Catching Air X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Troutman Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 09:49:41 -0400 >Yesterday on my way home, I was on Centreville Road crossing 50 (close to Fast Lanes) and caught quite a bit of air in the middle of the intersection. I was going about 55 to make the light - gunned it a bit - and caught about a second of hang time and a foot of air --------------------------------------------------------------- So COOOL!!! That's just up the road from my office. I gotta go try it! Were you going north or south? :) Horkster, preparing for takeoff! -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 12:18:28 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay01.mcit.com (alpha.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07589 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FEM0084D2KW04@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:17:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA17549; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 16:13:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.38.156.10]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990709161011.JRKB23218@toddnt>; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 16:10:11 +0000 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 12:08:29 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Good article In-reply-to: <852567A9.00501942.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000801beca25$48852a80$0a9c26a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Yeah, nothing at ALL like the Republicrats. They don't even have ANY good ideas ;) > > The Libertarian party is a great example of a group with a few good ideas > and whole truckload of horrible ones. Thanks but no thanks. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 12:43:54 1999 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA08088 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id MAA00332; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:46:23 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:46:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: JOE NAGY cc: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good article -Reply -Reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, JOE NAGY wrote: > > From: JOE NAGY > I'm with Fred (the author) on this one. The drug analogy doesn't > wash--we "prudent speeders" don't burglarize houses, rob people or > spread disease in pursuit of our fix. > Neither do "prudent dopers", by definition. > > Well, by "prudent" I'm talking about clear roads, good weather, no one > around to endanger. I've often found that "they" who don't like it are > the jealous, the ignorant, the incompetent. Speed is bad, no matter > what--how dare you have fun with it? In conclusion, "they" can kiss my > butt. > So...in the above paragraph, change "speed" to "drugs" and see how it reads. [minor snips] --garcia "Good judgement comes from experience, and experience---well, that comes from poor judgement." From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 13:13:25 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA08654 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 13:12:44 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 13:12:43 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 13:11:05 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: garicao@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good article -Reply -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline [big snip] So...in the above paragraph, change "speed" to "drugs" and see how it reads. "Drugs'r baid, uhkay?" --Mr. Mackey, South Park Elementary Guidance Counselor Right on, man. Unless I want some . . . Joe From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 13:33:57 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09087 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Anita.dlt.com ([199.4.241.102]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA17705 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:33:19 -0400 Message-Id: <199907091733.NAA17705@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:33:41 -0400 Subject: Sunday ride... Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) I'm considering doing a 200 mile ride on Sunday (to/from Middleburg). The route would go towards Culpeper, then on to Front Royal for lunch (Castigliani's). After that I figured I'd take 678 through GW National Forest, over the mountain to Luray, 211 back towards Sperryville, then on to Middleburg (or Rte 66 for those needing to head east). Highlights are the usual favorites... 688, 647, 635, 729. Meeting time would be 9:30 AM at the Middleburg Exxon. Any takers? :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 13:51:16 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09445 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:51:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA03117 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:50:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA09000 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA30764; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:50:57 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990709135029.019df530@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 13:50:56 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: Catching Air Cc: In-Reply-To: <199907091157.AA81199402@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:57 AM 7/9/99 , Horkster wrote: >So COOOL!!! That's just up the road from my office. I gotta >go try it! Were you going north or south? :) > >Horkster, preparing for takeoff! South. Its hard to catch the intersection empty..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org The author will not be held responsible for anything he says. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 13:53:25 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09460 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA30776; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:53:21 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990709135206.01e0f550@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 13:53:20 -0400 To: "Kirt Senser" From: Troutman Subject: Re: Catching Air -Reply Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000c01beca22$127f3d20$ce01a8c0@wsdell15yze.spg.va.corp.rcn .net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:45 AM 7/9/99 , Kirt Senser wrote: >I did one of the best wheelies of my life the other day at that exact same >intersection. That is also the intersection (going North) where a Corvette decided to race me a few weeks ago. I showed him the same thing you showed the riceboy....sans wheelie ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 13:55:35 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09483 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA30785 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:55:28 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990709135417.01e04a70@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 13:55:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Sunday ride... In-Reply-To: <199907091733.NAA17705@radagast.wizard.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:33 PM 7/9/99 , Anita Lauro wrote: >I'm considering doing a 200 mile ride on Sunday (to/from >Middleburg). The route would go towards Culpeper, then on to >Front Royal for lunch (Castigliani's). After that I figured I'd take 678 >through GW National Forest, over the mountain to Luray, 211 back >towards Sperryville, then on to Middleburg (or Rte 66 for those >needing to head east). Highlights are the usual favorites... 688, >647, 635, 729. Meeting time would be 9:30 AM at the Middleburg >Exxon. I'm in. Need a middle to slower speed group - my front end has felt a little weird the past week, but I can't find anything wrong with it. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 14:00:35 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.114]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09649 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:00:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by wodc7mr0.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgxdo17864; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 18:00:31 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 852567A9.00638F14 ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:07:26 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "D. Thompson" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567A9.00638EE4.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:00:02 -0400 Subject: Re: Re[2]: Catching Air -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline We don't have it yet. We ordered a 2000, should be in around September... : ) No WAY will the bikes sit! They're still more fun than any old car...well, for me that is! ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "D. Thompson" on 07/09/99 11:50:54 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Re: Re[2]: Catching Air -Reply So Tom, you got your new car? How do you like it? Tell us more about it. I guess the poor Viffer is sitting in the garage feeling neglected and lonely now. Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Zell To: JOE NAGY ; ; Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 11:13 AM Subject: Re[2]: Catching Air -Reply > Lenzy and I used to drive that same road with my 340 Duster... nothing like a > WHOLE BUNCH OF AIR with a 3000lb. car! Route 9 at night especially past Charles > Town is great, too! Not going to be doing anything like that with the new > Formula though. > > Tom > '86 VFR750 > > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > Subject: Re: Catching Air -Reply > Author: NAGYJ@XXXXXX (JOE NAGY) > Date: 7/9/99 10:45 AM > > I was just about to weigh in on that road myself--It's the one between > "town" and the track, right? First time I rode to Summit a few years > ago, I came upon a coupla squids (new CBRRRRs, Troy Lee helmets, square > rear tires, shorts) who were impeding my fun. Right after I went > around them, the road dropped out from under me, and I think they got a > real good view of my belly pan. HooHah! > > 'Course it's just not the same in my pickup truck. > > Joe > > >>> "D. Thompson" - 7/9/99 10:14 AM >>> > Hey Troutman, you keep that up and your going to make us lowly "sport > tourers" get a bad rep. as hooligans and squids like those more pure > sport > riders.... :) If you want to get some air, follow me out to Summit on > Saturday and I'll show you a road that gets you air a couple or 3 times > in > about 1.5 miles. Yee Hiiiii! > > Dannny > '99 VFR > "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." > 1 Samuel 2:30 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Troutman > To: > Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 9:49 AM > Subject: Catching Air > > > > Yesterday on my way home, I was on Centreville Road crossing 50 (close > to > > Fast Lanes) and caught quite a bit of air in the middle of the > > intersection. I was going about 55 to make the light - gunned it a > bit - > > and caught about a second of hang time and a foot of air (much to the > > delight of the stopped cagers I am sure). > > > > My first time off the ground with both wheels (on-road) and had to > share. > > > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > > http://www.troutman.org > > > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 14:03:00 1999 Return-Path: 900rrmofo@XXXXXX Received: from mailcity.com (fes-qout.whowhere.com [209.1.236.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA09660 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:02:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailcity.com; Fri Jul 9 11:02:12 1999 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mrider@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:02:12 -0700 From: "C J" <900rrmofo@XXXXXX> Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: This morning's commute X-Sender-Ip: 140.188.64.152 Organization: MailCity (http://www.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon, I have to admit I was a little suprised to see an bike coming up on me while I was sitting in traffic. As you passed me I thought huh...if he is going to split traffic I shall follow suit.... I usually don't do to much lane splitting unless it's really hot or I am running late.... Still it was nice to see someone that you know on a bike...... Oh yeah....my bike is narrow enough to split'em....... --- Craig 99 RR On Fri, 09 Jul 1999 05:20:17 Leon Begeman wrote: >It was a fun ride in this morning. > >Finally when I got into DC on 12th street, the crowning moment of the >morning. I passed Craig! Thanks Craig, you made my day. I split lanes >after going throught the 12th St tunnel, then beat a car off the line at the >traffic light. Craig was near Federal Triangle when we met. Lane splitting >is just another fun aspect of riding. I couldn't split lanes all day any >more than I can scrape pegs all day, but a little diversity in riding makes >all of it more interesting. > >Leon. > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://my.lycos.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 14:03:31 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA09663 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id LAA10610 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:03:27 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:03:27 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sunday ride... Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:03:22 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >I'm considering doing a 200 mile ride on Sunday >Any takers? :-) >Anita Could be - scheduling tends to be somewhat dynamic ( :P ) for me these days. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 14:04:22 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web501.yahoomail.com (web501.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA09681 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990709180346.14863.rocketmail@web501.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.214] by web501.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:03:46 PDT Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:03:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Md. Lawyer ? To: rdrdr , dc-cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- rdrdr wrote: > I have a couple of citations from a car accidenct I > had a few months ago. > > Anyone have a Maryland lawyer they can recommend ? Jay Berstein Georgia Ave. Silver Spring, MD 301 587-1000 if you are brave, tell him I sent you -- tg _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 14:11:54 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09854 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Anita.dlt.com ([199.4.241.102]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA22442; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:12:02 -0400 Message-Id: <199907091812.OAA22442@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:12:21 -0400 Subject: Re: Sunday ride... Priority: normal In-reply-to: <4.1.19990709135417.01e04a70@mail.wheatintl.com> References: <199907091733.NAA17705@radagast.wizard.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) On 9 Jul 99, at 13:55, Troutman wrote: > I'm in. Need a middle to slower speed group - my front end has felt a > little weird the past week, but I can't find anything wrong with it. I'll be riding at a moderate pace.. except on 688 where all bets are off! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 14:42:01 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA10393 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 9 Jul 1999 21:41:24 UT Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 12:41 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "D. Thompson" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Was: Catching Air -Reply... Now: New Formula Message-ID: <19990709124145119-8e27cd2@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Danny, Jeannette and I went and put a deposit on and ordered our '00 Formula in Navy Blue Metallic last Saturday (we decided against the WS6 RAM AIR car... too much for insurance and maintenance). It's coming down the line with the 305 hp 5.7L, 6 spd manual trans, 1SB option package (which includes t-tops, security, power seat, and some other niceties), leather interior, polished wheels, and Hurst shifter for the 6spd tranny. The ultra cool part though is that we got it for $100 over invoice from United Buying Service. (woohoo!!) Corvette performance (these cars even though rated at 40 hp less will eat a C5 Vette alive) at half the price. Even the automatic car whoops ass (Jeannette can attest to that... Miss Hot Shoe)! You can't beat in the bang for the buck department. Production of the '00 cars started on 6/28 which means that we'll more than likely take possession in September. We can't wait for it to get here! Which reminds me to remind everyone on the list that I have stuff for sale... computers, 1 Saab Turbo, and a Dodge Dart drag car body. Tell anyone you know about this stuff! Now for the moto-content... I rode the viffer the other day to work BUT the heat has been kicking my butt because of my asthma so I'm inclined to let it sit right now regardless. Jeannette on the other hand has been riding the heck out of her viffer though... even on the 100+ deg. days. She's my hero! :-) Tom '86 VFR750 '00 Formula 6spd ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: Re[2]: Catching Air -Reply Author: dthompso1@XXXXXX (D. Thompson) Date: 7/9/99 11:50 AM So Tom, you got your new car? How do you like it? Tell us more about it. I guess the poor Viffer is sitting in the garage feeling neglected and lonely now. Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 15:01:55 1999 Return-Path: harris@XXXXXX Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10810 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:01:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA23232 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990709145905.008e0b10@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 14:59:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Sunday ride... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" So close to the track, stop by Summit Point Raceway. I'm racing on sunday, look for # 911 in the pits. Harris At 01:33 PM 7/9/99 -0400, you wrote: >I'm considering doing a 200 mile ride on Sunday (to/from >Middleburg). The route would go towards Culpeper, then on to >Front Royal for lunch (Castigliani's). After that I figured I'd take 678 >through GW National Forest, over the mountain to Luray, 211 back >towards Sperryville, then on to Middleburg (or Rte 66 for those >needing to head east). Highlights are the usual favorites... 688, >647, 635, 729. Meeting time would be 9:30 AM at the Middleburg >Exxon. > >Any takers? :-) >Anita > > Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 15:07:31 1999 Return-Path: granth@XXXXXX Received: from fedsco.sco.com (fedsco.sco.COM [132.147.168.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10889 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from everex (everex.sco.COM [132.147.168.14]) by fedsco.sco.com (8.8.7/UW7.1.0) with ESMTP id OAA21712; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:56:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990709150456.00a85cf0@fedsco.sco.com> X-Sender: granth@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 15:05:51 -0400 To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> From: Grant Heffernan Subject: Re: Sunday ride... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199907091733.NAA17705@radagast.wizard.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sounds good... Faster group would be my pref. At 01:33 PM 7/9/99 -0400, you wrote: >I'm considering doing a 200 mile ride on Sunday (to/from >Middleburg). The route would go towards Culpeper, then on to >Front Royal for lunch (Castigliani's). After that I figured I'd take 678 >through GW National Forest, over the mountain to Luray, 211 back >towards Sperryville, then on to Middleburg (or Rte 66 for those >needing to head east). Highlights are the usual favorites... 688, >647, 635, 729. Meeting time would be 9:30 AM at the Middleburg >Exxon. > >Any takers? :-) >Anita ********************************* Grant M. Heffernan Field Systems Engineer The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Reston, VA 20191 ph: (703) 715-8721 http://ussales/granth From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 15:10:49 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10903 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:10:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Anita.dlt.com ([199.4.241.102]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA29760; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:10:56 -0400 Message-Id: <199907091910.PAA29760@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Grant Heffernan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:11:17 -0400 Subject: Re: Sunday ride... Priority: normal In-reply-to: <4.2.0.58.19990709150456.00a85cf0@fedsco.sco.com> References: <199907091733.NAA17705@radagast.wizard.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) On 9 Jul 99, at 15:05, Grant Heffernan wrote: > Sounds good... Faster group would be my pref. Well, as of now there isn't a leader for a fast group.. I'll have plenty of route sheets available for those who want to go on ahead. Anita From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 15:20:13 1999 Return-Path: 900rrmofo@XXXXXX Received: from mailcity.com (fes-qout.whowhere.com [209.1.236.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA11153 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailcity.com; Fri Jul 9 12:19:28 1999 To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" , "Kirk Roy" Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 12:19:28 -0700 From: "C J" <900rrmofo@XXXXXX> Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: This morning's commute X-Sender-Ip: 140.188.64.152 Organization: MailCity (http://www.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh here we go....... Yeah that's it ......they all pass me when I am sitting at a traffic light.... Gottat get a run on me.........and since we are in town(DC)..I let them go.... but bring it to the mountain and it's another story as you well know..Ahem..there Mr. Pogo...:~) Yeah lane splitting while cars are stopped at the light is one thing and seemingly ok in DC.....but out in the burbs forget it....I got a ticket for it on Rt. 7 near Reston Ave......actually riding on the shoulder... --- Craig 99 RR On Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:15:18 Kirk Roy wrote: >On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, Leon Begeman wrote: >> Finally when I got into DC on 12th street, the crowning moment of the >> morning. I passed Craig! Thanks Craig, you made my day. > >Everybody passes Craig, the wanker! :) > >> I couldn't split lanes all day any more than I can scrape pegs all >> day, but a little diversity in riding makes all of it more interesting. > >For some reason, it only feels ok to me to split lanes in DC and I'm only >rarely in town. I certainly wish it was legal every morning as I sit on >the beltway in PG/Mont counties... > >Kirk > > Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://my.lycos.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 15:38:41 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA11469 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:38:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 112gTk-0001HH-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:38:36 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:38:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Was: Catching Air -Reply... Now: New Formula In-Reply-To: <19990709124145119-8e27cd2@fanniemaefoundation.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII What's a 00 Formula ? I'm only familiar with Formula 409 and 520. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 16:03:03 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA11972 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (209-122-246-120.s628.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.246.120]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA11822; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 99 16:00:13 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: Re: Was: Catching Air -Reply... Now: New Formula To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Hugh Caldwell X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Year 2000 guido mobile, aka a pontiac firebird formula. --- On Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > What's a 00 Formula ? I'm only familiar with Formula >409 and 520. > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI >---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/9/99 HSTA/AMA 4:00:13 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 16:22:09 1999 Return-Path: t_gimer@XXXXXX Received: from web504.yahoomail.com (web504.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA12377 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990709202207.25685.rocketmail@web504.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.84.80.214] by web504.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 13:22:07 PDT Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:22:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Md. Lawyer ? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Whoops....it's 'Bernstein' sorry Jay --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- rdrdr wrote: > > I have a couple of citations from a car accidenct > I > > had a few months ago. > > > > Anyone have a Maryland lawyer they can recommend ? > > Jay Berstein > Georgia Ave. > Silver Spring, MD > 301 587-1000 > > if you are brave, tell him I sent you > > > -- > tg _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 16:25:00 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA12392 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA13288 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:24:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: This morning's commute In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, C J wrote: > Yeah that's it ......they all pass me when I am sitting at a traffic > light... Gottat get a run on me.........and since we are in town(DC)..I > let them go.... Yeah, I've got to admit that city racing sucks. I've lost three riding buddies to city racing. So, we only do city racing when it's not rush hour!!! Now, the beltway, that's another story! When that road opens up you'd better watch out!!!! My Yamaguchi ABC1523ZZRR (w/turbo and NOS) will eat you alive! Muahahaha!!! > but bring it to the mountain and it's another story as you well > know.. The mountains suck. You can only barely get past the lag and the bottle is out of the question. Besides, the 4 inches on each side of my back tire are kind of slick, for some reason. The shop told me that the tire (220/50!!!) would be slick for the first 100 miles or so and thought it would be a good idea to keep the speeds down (being safety minded, I did keep 'er below 150mph). I've already done 124 miles (in just 2 weeks!!! Where's my !@#$&* iron butt patch!?!). That tire should be stickier but that might hurt my burnout performance. I don't know what the problem is. The straights are just so much more !@#$ fun anyway, dude!!! > Ahem..there Mr. Pogo...:~) I TOTALLED the pogo bike on New York Ave (and I wasn't even going fast, no more than 85mph or so) and replaced it with MR Yamaguchi!!!! That stupid pogo bike wouldn't even go 177 mph!!! Hahahaha!!!! It sucked!!!! I could only barely wheely it through 3 or 4 intersections!?! The Yamaguchi wheelies when I'm not even paying attention (too many hot chicks out there to pay too much attention to the bike, dude!!!!)!!!! It rocks!!! Kirk 1953 Zorch From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 16:42:04 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.114]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA12756 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:42:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by wodc7mr0.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgxdy28457; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:41:59 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 852567A9.00725661 ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:48:52 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Hugh Caldwell cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567A9.007254E1.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:41:21 -0400 Subject: Re: Was: Catching Air -Reply... Now: New Formula Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline He meant the model year - 2000. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Hugh Caldwell on 07/09/99 03:38:36 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Re: Was: Catching Air -Reply... Now: New Formula What's a 00 Formula ? I'm only familiar with Formula 409 and 520. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 16:45:55 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA12849 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdell15yze (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA14882; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <014f01beca4c$5a0ba370$ce01a8c0@wsdell15yze.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> Reply-To: "Kirt Senser" From: "Kirt Senser" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: This morning's commute Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:48:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 What the hell is up with this e-mail??? -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 4:33 PM Subject: Re: This morning's commute >On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, C J wrote: >> Yeah that's it ......they all pass me when I am sitting at a traffic >> light... Gottat get a run on me.........and since we are in town(DC)..I >> let them go.... > >Yeah, I've got to admit that city racing sucks. I've lost three riding >buddies to city racing. So, we only do city racing when it's not rush >hour!!! Now, the beltway, that's another story! When that road opens up >you'd better watch out!!!! My Yamaguchi ABC1523ZZRR (w/turbo and NOS) will >eat you alive! Muahahaha!!! > >> but bring it to the mountain and it's another story as you well >> know.. > >The mountains suck. You can only barely get past the lag and the bottle is >out of the question. Besides, the 4 inches on each side of my back tire >are kind of slick, for some reason. The shop told me that the tire >(220/50!!!) would be slick for the first 100 miles or so and thought it >would be a good idea to keep the speeds down (being safety minded, I did >keep 'er below 150mph). I've already done 124 miles (in just 2 weeks!!! >Where's my !@#$&* iron butt patch!?!). That tire should be stickier but >that might hurt my burnout performance. I don't know what the problem is. >The straights are just so much more !@#$ fun anyway, dude!!! > >> Ahem..there Mr. Pogo...:~) > >I TOTALLED the pogo bike on New York Ave (and I wasn't even going fast, no >more than 85mph or so) and replaced it with MR Yamaguchi!!!! That >stupid pogo bike wouldn't even go 177 mph!!! Hahahaha!!!! It sucked!!!! I >could only barely wheely it through 3 or 4 intersections!?! The Yamaguchi >wheelies when I'm not even paying attention (too many hot chicks out >there to pay too much attention to the bike, dude!!!!)!!!! It rocks!!! > >Kirk >1953 Zorch > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 17:01:48 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA13108 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdell15yze (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA23580 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <018c01beca4e$92da9150$ce01a8c0@wsdell15yze.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> Reply-To: "Kirt Senser" From: "Kirt Senser" To: Subject: Fw: Summit Point Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:04:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0189_01BECA2D.0BB08750" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0189_01BECA2D.0BB08750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Original Message----- From: Kirt Senser To: cbr@XXXXXX ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX = Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 4:51 PM Subject: Summit Point I'm planning on rolling up to Summit Point this weekend, and will also = be looking into getting some Dunlop 207GPs for my bike. I know a guy = who is selling his after this weekends races, but he's running a 180 = (instead of the stock 160) tire on the back. This is on the stock CBR = 600F3 wheel. Will this change the way my bike handles by having a huge = tire on the back? Is it beneficial or a waste of time to get a tire = this size. Will it rub my fender or swingarm? Please let me know ASAP, = as I'd really like to get some of the tires. Thanks in advance. Hobbes 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va ------=_NextPart_000_0189_01BECA2D.0BB08750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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From:=20 Kirt Senser <ksenser@XXXXXX>
To: = cbr@XXXXXX <cbr@XXXXXX>; dc-cycles@XXXXXX = <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>Date:=20 Friday, July 09, 1999 4:51 PM
Subject: Summit=20 Point

I'm planning on rolling up to Summit = Point this=20 weekend, and will also be looking into getting some Dunlop 207GPs for my = bike.  I know a guy who is selling his after this weekends races, = but he's=20 running a 180 (instead of the stock 160) tire on the back.  This is = on the=20 stock CBR 600F3 wheel.  Will this change the way my bike handles by = having=20 a huge tire on the back?  Is it beneficial or a waste of time to = get a tire=20 this size.  Will it rub my fender or swingarm?  Please let me = know=20 ASAP, as I'd really like to get some of the tires.  Thanks in=20 advance.
 
Hobbes
1996 CBR 600F3 SJR
Annandale, Va
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0189_01BECA2D.0BB08750-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 17:11:32 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA13220 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA02575 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000701beca50$9f2be100$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: References: Subject: Re: Was: Catching Air -Reply... Now: New Formula Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:18:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 No offense but... you're a jerk! Tom <--- who is not in the mood to be made fun of.... ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Sachs To: ; Hugh Caldwell Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 4:00 PM Subject: Re: Was: Catching Air -Reply... Now: New Formula > Year 2000 guido mobile, aka a pontiac firebird formula. > --- On Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Hugh Caldwell > wrote: > > > > > What's a 00 Formula ? I'm only familiar with Formula > >409 and 520. > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- > >Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > >---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer > ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX > 7/9/99 HSTA/AMA 4:00:13 PM > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 17:31:14 1999 Return-Path: snake69@XXXXXX Received: from zzapp.org (zzapp.org [206.165.125.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA13664 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-57-11.s11.tnt2.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.57.11]) by zzapp.org with SMTP (IPAD 2.5) id 3971700 ; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 17:31:00 -0400 From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 17:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Marvin Heilesen" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <199907091733.NAA17705@radagast.wizard.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Sunday ride... Message-Id: <199907092131.3971700@zzapp.org> On Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:33:41 -0400, Anita Lauro wrote: >I'm considering doing a 200 mile ride on Sunday (to/from >Middleburg). > >Any takers? :-) Sorry, I have too many plans for Sunday. I hate to miss one of your rides. Sorry. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Snake a.k.a. Marvin Heilesen '97 Shadow ACE 1100 '78 Suzuki GS400 "Chick Magnet" ABATE of Maryland MRF / AMA / HRCA "Misplaced Idahoan" From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 17:58:35 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA14070 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (209-122-214-7.s261.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.214.7]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA06404 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 99 17:54:59 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: RE: Fw: Summit Point To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII What size rear rim on the 96 F3? I know I only run a 170 on my 5.5 rear, but could run a 180. I'd advise against this, especially with the 5 inch rear I think the F3 has-will really slow down turning, and will probably have clearance problems. greg --- On Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:04:03 -0400 Kirt Senser wrote: > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kirt Senser >To: cbr@XXXXXX ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 4:51 PM >Subject: Summit Point > > >I'm planning on rolling up to Summit Point this weekend, and will also be looking into getting some Dunlop 207GPs for my bike. I know a guy who is selling his after this weekends races, but he's running a 180 (instead of the stock 160) tire on the back. This is on the stock CBR 600F3 wheel. Will this change the way my bike handles by having a huge tire on the back? Is it beneficial or a waste of time to get a tire this size. Will it rub my fender or swingarm? Please let me know ASAP, as I'd really like to get some of the tires. Thanks in advance. > >Hobbes >1996 CBR 600F3 SJR >Annandale, Va > > > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/9/99 HSTA/AMA 5:54:59 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 18:06:02 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA14238 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 18:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 10 Jul 1999 01:05:23 UT Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 16:04 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Hugh Caldwell" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: Was: Catching Air -Reply... Now: New Formula Message-ID: <19990709160545780-99d43e7@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii OK... now that everyone has managed to pluck my last nerve for the day... God I hope you're kidding. Anyway... 2000 Pontiac Firebird Formula... you know... fire breathing 4 seater "last of the American muscle cars... runs down most stock motorcycles (except for maybe three that I know of) at top speed in 6th gear, etc. Corvette, Mustang, and Cobra Mustang killer, etc. Need I say more? Tom <---one who is in a horrific mood today '86 VFR750 '00 PONTIAC Formula ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: Was: Catching Air -Reply... Now: New Formula Author: twg@XXXXXX (Hugh Caldwell) Date: 7/9/99 3:38 PM What's a 00 Formula ? I'm only familiar with Formula 409 and 520. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 18:39:43 1999 Return-Path: dankenney@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f6.hotmail.com [207.82.250.17]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA14812 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 18:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 89708 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 1999 22:39:09 -0000 Message-ID: <19990709223909.89707.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.164.225.67 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 15:39:09 PDT X-Originating-IP: [216.164.225.67] From: "DAN KENNEY" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sunday ride Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 15:39:09 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Anybody from Southern MD want to go on the ride Sunday? Dan Kenney Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 19:21:49 1999 Return-Path: rdt@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA15585 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 19:21:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt (209-122-204-107.s615.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.204.107]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA13126 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 19:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000701beca61$47bd9d80$6bcc7ad1@rdt> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: Subject: Country Roads MC Update Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 19:17:56 -0400 Organization: Attorney at Law X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 My buddy Kevin and I will be leaving on the afternoon of Wednesday, July 21 to attend the Country Roads MC Rally in Snowshoe, West Virginia. I will be trailering my bike (just purchased a two bike trailer two weeks ago) and he will be following on his new 1999 CBR 900RR. We were able to rent a ski condo for $49.00 a night. It has two pull out queen size beds and a fireplace. You can't beat the price. We will be returning on Sunday, July 25. If anyone is interested in joining us let me know by EMail. Additionally, my wife and I will be at Summit Point on Sunday. You can talk with me there about the details. Roy D. Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 19:23:52 1999 Return-Path: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA15618 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 19:23:51 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id cBSSa12667 (4541); Fri, 9 Jul 1999 19:21:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4281d2b6.24b7de14@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 19:21:56 EDT Subject: Re: Sunday ride... To: 2xracers@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 You've got a tailgunner/S-L-O-W group lead (if needed). I just need directions to Middleburg, and a time to be there. Thanks! Rob VanSlyke '83 Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 19:31:18 1999 Return-Path: snake69@XXXXXX Received: from zzapp.org (zzapp.org [206.165.125.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA15806 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 19:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-57-11.s11.tnt2.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.57.11]) by zzapp.org with SMTP (IPAD 1.52) id 4069800 ; Fri, 09 Jul 1999 19:30:22 EST From: "Marvin Heilesen" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 19:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Marvin Heilesen" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990707085748.00bede90@mail.toward.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Re[2]: Northern Virginia Yuppies Message-Id: <199907092330.4069800@zzapp.org> On Wed, 07 Jul 1999 09:04:45 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >>I have issues about the whole loud pipe thing but I'll hold my tongue >>except for >>this... loud pipes do not get bikes banned (or even cause a real problem), >>it's >>the idiot riding it that does. > >In general, yes. I guess it depends a lot on the pipes and the >engine. The Harley I kept for a friend, which was not loud by Harley >standards, could not run quietly. Leaving a friend's townhouse complex at >11pm, with minimal throttle to get up a hill, I could still hear the >exhaust echoing off the adjacent townhouses - we probably got a few MORE >enemies of motorcycling that night. Yes, I have loud pipes, as many of you have heard. But, I am also a goo neighbor. I push my bike out to the road each morning, and I keep the throttle at a minimum in residential areas. I am a morning person, so I am asleep long before anyone would complain about my pipes disturbing my sleep. The bike is no louder than the dumptrucks I see on the roads. I do feel a lot safer on the roads with the louder pipes. But then again, I ride a cruiser and not a sport bike, so I more have that attitude, wether you think it is good or not..... ___________ Snake a.k.a. Marvin Heilesen Team OS/2 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 20:01:29 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA16284 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (209-122-196-59.s59.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.196.59]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA23252 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 99 19:56:03 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: Re: Re[2]: Northern Virginia Yuppies To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii --- On Fri, 09 Jul 1999 19:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Marvin Heilesen wrote: >On Wed, 07 Jul 1999 09:04:45 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: > >>>I have issues about the whole loud pipe thing but I'll hold my tongue >>>except for >>>this... loud pipes do not get bikes banned (or even cause a real problem), >>>it's >>>the idiot riding it that does. >> >>In general, yes. I guess it depends a lot on the pipes and the >>engine. The Harley I kept for a friend, which was not loud by Harley >>standards, could not run quietly. Leaving a friend's townhouse complex at >>11pm, with minimal throttle to get up a hill, I could still hear the >>exhaust echoing off the adjacent townhouses - we probably got a few MORE >>enemies of motorcycling that night. > >Yes, I have loud pipes, as many of you have heard. But, I am >also a goo neighbor. I push my bike out to the road each >morning, and I keep the throttle at a minimum in residential >areas. I am a morning person, so I am asleep long before anyone >would complain about my pipes disturbing my sleep. The bike is >no louder than the dumptrucks I see on the roads. I do feel a >lot safer on the roads with the louder pipes. > >But then again, I ride a cruiser and not a sport bike, so I more >have that attitude, wether you think it is good or not..... I guess my thoughts are that this whole discussion is pretty moot-no one is going to convince the loud pipes crowd(harley or sportbike) that what they are doing hurts us, so the most we can do is try and educate the public that all of us aren't bad. And, of course, try and be respectful when we are on our own bikes, like I try to do-my bike isn't anything near as loud as an open harley, but it isn't quiet either, so I try and respect the neighbors. No complaints yet. Greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/9/99 HSTA/AMA 7:56:03 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 20:04:13 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA16287 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:04:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id dMFRa21560 (4532); Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:01:38 EDT Subject: Re: Apollo 12 astronaut Pete Conra... To: twg@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 I met Pete Conrad on a number of occasions (I am in the aerospace business) and he was a consultant of ours. Very unpretentious guy. I never let on to my business relations that I ride motorcycles, much less race, so I didn't know he rode a bike, too bad. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 20:10:24 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA16394 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:10:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2EMSa22742 (4532) for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:09:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:09:05 EDT Subject: Racebike Saga To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (dc-cycles@XXXXXX) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 The RD crank and cylinders were brought to Battley's for an estimate. Estimate was outrageous. I can get a package deal for a pristine road-going RD-350, 3 working race engines a number of frames and countless parts for a decent price from an Italian friend from Rome who restores and collects 2-strokes. I therefore will have an RD-350 street-bike for sale when I get the time to pick it up. The road-going RD has RZ reeds and pistons and is ported, otherwise stock. I'd like to get $1,800 for it. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 9 20:55:26 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA17107 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME ([206.239.191.90]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA17538; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3786C5E1.7D0E@mnsinc.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 21:02:41 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Lanesplitting [was This morning's commute] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Norloff > Lane splitting is a good way to get through car traffic. However, it's an > advanced traffic maneuver that should not be taken lightly. I rarely split > between cars which are moving, preferring merely to move to the head of the > line at traffic lights. Sometimes I merely use the bike's size to ride > down the edge of the road to make a right turn at a light rather than > waiting for the cars to move out. Moving at a reasonable (slow) and > non-aggressive speed is very important to avoiding ugly incidents, and > being able to avoid cars or car doors. > > In DC, lane-splitting is implicitly condoned by other drivers and police, > if done sensibly. In Arlington it's looked on a little less favorably by > drivers. Police don't like it at all. In areas farther out, car drivers > can go ballistic at the idea that someone would choose a vehicle that can > get through the traffic jams created by their SUV's and minivans. > > Rocketing between cars, or splitting lanes to go 70 through 50 mph traffic > would be squidly. Moving up through stopped cars to get to the head of the > line, and when the light turns green squirting ahead into the space that > cars can get to, is not squidly. > > America is one of the few countries that actually expect motorcyclists to > ride like they are a car. Isn't that the truth. Thanks, Chris, for your astute observations. I split lanes every work day across the Key Bridge when traffic is at a stand still. If it's moving OK - say, 10-15 mph - I stay put. I also keep my brights off, my Rs down, and my hands and feet over the controls. In Virginia, I'm not as bold either I guess, but I will scoot up to the front as Chris described. I try hard not to think it's my given right as a motorcyclist to do this, but you can't help feeling a bit better about your choice of transportation when the "madding crowd" sits behind you ;) In any event, you do have to be real careful when doing this. John From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 10 07:35:03 1999 Return-Path: wowbager@XXXXXX Received: from stmpy.cais.net (stmpy.cais.net [199.0.216.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA00518 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 07:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (dynamic181.cais.com [207.226.56.181]) by stmpy.cais.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA00321 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 07:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004a01becac7$d1a4e560$b538e2cf@wowbager> From: "Mike B." To: References: <4.1.19990708101332.01e5b310@mail.wheatintl.com> Subject: Re: Dale City Riders Down Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 07:31:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 If we poke out her eyes we wont have to worry about her getting back on the road! Mike B. ----- Original Message ----- From: Troutman To: Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 10:16 AM Subject: Dale City Riders Down > I have no information at all, but a co-worker just came in and told me that > two of his riding buddies (Harley) in Dale City went down this week. Both > were hit by an 18 year old girl that failed to yield. One apparently looks > like a burn victim (severe road rash) the other has lost his arm. > > When the police arrived to ticket the girl (reckless driving) she said > "this is the 3rd time I have hit a biker in two years." > > No comment from me required. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > > From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 10 12:20:16 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05324 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 12:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.221]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.3.1) with SMTP id ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 12:09:51 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Chris Norloff" , Subject: RE: This morning's commute Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 12:11:15 -0400 Message-ID: <001301becaee$d61e74e0$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990709091929.00bb6230@mail.toward.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > Lane splitting is a good way to get through car traffic. > However, it's an > advanced traffic maneuver that should not be taken lightly. Especially on boxers (2, 4, and 6 cyl. ones. Ugh. Lane splitting with a Wing or Valk. Yikes!), inline sixes (okay, except maybe the old Honda GP bikes, but don't try it on your CBX), Guzzis, bikes with hard luggage, and wide bars. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 10 14:29:20 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07261 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 14:29:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-183.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.183]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA25294 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 14:29:16 -0400 Message-ID: <1c8b01becb01$f813b700$38a4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Cellphones -- More nono. Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 14:28:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_1C88_01BECAE0.6FFD2A20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1C88_01BECAE0.6FFD2A20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is news to me, tho not a cellphone user I. =20 Seems cellphones and gas pumping (or even proximity to) don't mix. = >From the West comes a story of a fellow burned and car destroyed while = he phoned as he was standing next to an attendant pumping gas. =20 Apparently high-powered batteries in the phones can generate sparks: = Evidently some phone manuals contain warnings. 50 ft was mentioned as = the hazard radius from the pumps.=20 This is the first I've heard of this. Adds another Heads-Up to my = fueling activities. "Excuse me, could you please not light up that = phone while I'm here?" Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Not wearing Nomex yet. =20 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_1C88_01BECAE0.6FFD2A20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is news to me, tho = not a=20 cellphone user I. 
 
    = Seems cellphones=20 and gas pumping (or even proximity to) don't mix.  From the West = comes a=20 story of a fellow burned and car destroyed while he phoned as he was = standing=20 next to an attendant pumping gas. 
 
    = Apparently=20 high-powered batteries in the phones can generate sparks:  = Evidently some=20 phone manuals contain warnings.  50 ft was mentioned as the hazard = radius=20 from the pumps.
 
    This = is the first=20 I've heard of this.  Adds another Heads-Up to my fueling = activities. =20 "Excuse me, could you please not light up that phone while I'm=20 here?"
 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 = VN750 --> Not=20 wearing Nomex yet. 
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding=20 fun.
------=_NextPart_000_1C88_01BECAE0.6FFD2A20-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 10 16:56:05 1999 Return-Path: fwegerich@XXXXXX Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09660 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 16:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (ip216.leesburg4.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.171.216]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29125; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 13:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3787B3D4.B7EB0E0B@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 16:57:56 -0400 From: Frank Wegerich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday ride... References: <199907091733.NAA17705@radagast.wizard.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds good ... anyone wants to meet in Sterling (MacDonalds at R7) around 8.15am and head towards Middleburg? Frank. Anita Lauro wrote: > I'm considering doing a 200 mile ride on Sunday (to/from > Middleburg). The route would go towards Culpeper, then on to > Front Royal for lunch (Castigliani's). After that I figured I'd take 678 > through GW National Forest, over the mountain to Luray, 211 back > towards Sperryville, then on to Middleburg (or Rte 66 for those > needing to head east). Highlights are the usual favorites... 688, > 647, 635, 729. Meeting time would be 9:30 AM at the Middleburg > Exxon. > > Any takers? :-) > Anita From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 10 18:56:10 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA11513 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 18:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-204.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.204]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA00152 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 18:56:08 -0400 Message-ID: <000401becb27$3e292700$cca4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Lanesplitting [was This morning's commute] Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 18:54:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 'Lo Listers -- 1. For some more on lanesplitting I've posted the Motorcycle Times article of mine and a couple of subsequent insightful letters-to-editor from other MT readers. ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/Lanesplitting.txt 2. Go U.S. Women's Soccer. What a match they won! Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> On the sidelines during the soccer match Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: John C. Kozyn >From: Chris Norloff > >> Lane splitting is a good way to get through car traffic. However, it's an >> advanced traffic maneuver that should not be taken lightly. I rarely split >> between cars which are moving, preferring merely to move to the head of the >> line at traffic lights. Sometimes I merely use the bike's size to ride >> down the edge of the road to make a right turn at a light rather than >> waiting for the cars to move out. Moving at a reasonable (slow) and >> non-aggressive speed is very important to avoiding ugly incidents, and >> being able to avoid cars or car doors. >> >> In DC, lane-splitting is implicitly condoned by other drivers and police, >> if done sensibly. In Arlington it's looked on a little less favorably by >> drivers. Police don't like it at all. In areas farther out, car drivers >> can go ballistic at the idea that someone would choose a vehicle that can >> get through the traffic jams created by their SUV's and minivans. >> >> Rocketing between cars, or splitting lanes to go 70 through 50 mph traffic >> would be squidly. Moving up through stopped cars to get to the head of the >> line, and when the light turns green squirting ahead into the space that >> cars can get to, is not squidly. >> >> America is one of the few countries that actually expect motorcyclists to >> ride like they are a car. > >Isn't that the truth. Thanks, Chris, for your astute observations. I >split lanes every work day across the Key Bridge when traffic is at a >stand still. If it's moving OK - say, 10-15 mph - I stay put. I also >keep my brights off, my Rs down, and my hands and feet over the >controls. > >In Virginia, I'm not as bold either I guess, but I will scoot up to the >front as Chris described. I try hard not to think it's my given right as >a motorcyclist to do this, but you can't help feeling a bit better about >your choice of transportation when the "madding crowd" sits behind you >;) > >In any event, you do have to be real careful when doing this. > >John > From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 10 19:11:03 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11769 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 19:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-204.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.204]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA00426; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 19:10:58 -0400 Message-ID: <001101becb29$50fb59a0$cca4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Collin T. Fagan" , Subject: Won these, placed those . . . (Was: Loaner anyone??) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 19:09:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Congratulations, Collin, for the string of fine showings the last few weeks. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Collin T. Fagan ...snip >Oh yeah.. not sure if Brian or Jeff posted, but I won the Solo20 and >B production races and took second in Formula 1 and B Superbike >(barely)at Nelson Ledges last weekend... plan to keep the trophy streak >alive at the WERA round at Summit Point at the end of the month.... > >Collin > > >=== >Collin T. Fagan >DC-Cycles Racing >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ >Proudly sponsored by: >Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) >Dixie Cycles >Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 10 19:30:44 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12159 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 19:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-204.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.204]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA00744 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 19:30:39 -0400 Message-ID: <001b01becb2c$11145fa0$cca4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Bike no longer Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 19:29:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01BECB0A.895345C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BECB0A.895345C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just to wrap up a loose end -- Some of you may remember a short discussion of a covered bike that fell = over near my abode in the District, how I felt it best to leave it over = given the circumstances, how I tried to keep it visible so the plows = wouldn't blade it, etc. Well, somebody righted it a few weeks later, = and there it stood and stood and . . .. I didn't mention it because I = didn't want to draw attention, and I could think of a reason or two why = it may have been the owner's desire to leave it there (not pleasant). = It was this stranger's business, and the city's. =20 Well, it's recently gone, a bunch of months later. Who knows? The = squirrels, I suppose, and others unknown. My luck there'll be a = muchbucks reward sign posted tomorrow. =20 Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> If you must leave me, give me an honorable goodbye. Over a = cliff, on a fiery pyre, . . .. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BECB0A.895345C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just to wrap up a loose end = --
 
Some of you may remember a short = discussion of a=20 covered bike that fell over near my abode in the District, how I felt it = best to=20 leave it over given the circumstances, how I tried to keep it visible so = the=20 plows wouldn't blade it, etc.  Well, somebody righted it a few = weeks later,=20 and there it stood and stood and . . ..  I didn't mention it = because I=20 didn't want to draw attention, and I could think of a reason or two why = it may=20 have been the owner's desire to leave it there (not pleasant).  It = was this=20 stranger's business, and the city's. 
 
Well, it's recently gone, a bunch of = months=20 later.  Who knows?  The squirrels, I suppose, and others=20 unknown.  My luck there'll be a muchbucks reward sign posted=20 tomorrow. 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 VN750 --> If you = must leave=20 me, give me an honorable goodbye.  Over a cliff, on a fiery pyre, . = .=20 ..
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding=20 fun.
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BECB0A.895345C0-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 10 22:51:03 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA15045 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 22:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 95 (207-172-80-117.s54.as6.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.80.117]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id WAA24124 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 22:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <018b01becb48$52e6e4e0$7550accf@95> From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: Mid-Ohio 7/16 - 7/18 Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 22:51:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Who is going? I am planning on leaving Thursday, but don't have a route or departure time because I want as many people as possible to work it out so we can all go up together. I don't mind coming up with a route, but want to be flexible for everyone and want any input any of you have. We will probably meet at whatever that eating place in Manasass is called (I can't remember that name to save my life) right off of 66 at 234 unless there is a better place to meet. Let me know, thanks! Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 11 00:36:29 1999 Return-Path: JimJacks@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA19857 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 00:36:09 -0400 (EDT) From: JimJacks@XXXXXX Received: from JimJacks@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id vNARa17790 (3871) for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 00:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6b960926.24b978e9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 00:34:49 EDT Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/10/99 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 loud pipes....are generally loud behind the bike, no? most of the bad shit happens in front of the bike, no? not that i have an important opinion, quiet is fine and loud, at least on harleys, sounds cool......but saving lives? my girlfriend was hit on a crosswalk by a bike (probably loud) racing another bike....but I think the volume did not prove sufficient to avert bad karma, a buddy has a really loud harley, but the cadillac in mclean still pulled out in front of him, and I know i have read about riders liberal use of horns (perhaps louder than loud pipes?) and the oncoming car/truck/suv/farm animal never heard a thing..... what is the point? typing practice? -j From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 11 07:19:38 1999 Return-Path: brn626@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA27063 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 07:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brn626 (207-172-77-5.s5.as1.lee.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.77.5]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA15980 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 07:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001201becb90$09ab4120$054daccf@brn626> From: "Brian N" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Isle of Man Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 07:25:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 What do you do when you are stuck in the house with a sore back and a heating pad? You watch motorcycling racing instead of riding. Did any catch the Isle of Man 99 Championship on Speedvision? This is some fun racing. These guys catch some incredible air on the streets at the Isle of Man! Not only big wheelies but some two wheels in the air. If they repeat the show its a must. While I best get back to the heating pad and todays racing. (Formula 1 British Gran prix, Fim World Superbikes and Supersports live from Laguna Seca.) I off to Mid Ohio on Thursday. Hope to see some of you there. I wish I could ride on the gourgous day but :~( See ya all soon, Brian N From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 11 09:28:29 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA29030 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 09:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA11510 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 09:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA09748 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 09:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140r1.ems.att.com ([135.65.202.58]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id JAA19027; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 09:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh3.ems.att.com by njb140r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id JAA07592; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 09:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh3.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <33VRANPB>; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 09:28:07 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE010E46A4@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Carver, John M, BGM" To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: --> Re: Dare I start this thread?? Was--> Cellphone Ban Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 09:28:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain <> True. (I KNEW someone would come up with SOME reason) However, I believe that in states which don't require Helmet usage, they DO require eye protection at all times. Something that really can't be argued against. You (collectively) may also gather from your statement that the only type of helmet that should be worn is a full face. I agree with that on my own terms, but not through force. I think the helmet debate will continue to rage on. I still wonder why people are worried about others' choices. Hopefully I've been polite and made some valid points about why I feel the way I do. (That was my intent) That's all for now. (Back to work on a Sunday that started at 3AM for me --UGG!) John 98VFR From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 11 10:43:04 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01869 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 10:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA11652 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 10:42:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA10338 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 10:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ursulina (207-172-41-25.s25.tnt10.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.41.25]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA08065 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 10:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01a001becbc4$e5ae8180$702daccf@ursulina> From: "Ursulina Viteri" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Note about that carb work on my 454 LTD Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 10:43:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Hi there, I gave the go ahead to that independent mechanic, Randy Creel (phone below), to do the carb work and find the oil leak on my bike, a 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD. He provided such fine work and quick turn around that I strongly recommending using his services. If you do, tell him Ursulina sent you. :-) Below is Randy's information and details of his work. Randy Creel Randy's Vintage Japanese, Herndon, VA 703-508-5786 (cash or personal checks) This is the work Randy provided for $210: * Remove, clean, and replace carburetors * Adjust and synchronize to specs * Replace 2 float bowl gaskets - that's were the fuel leak was coming from * Replace tachcometer drive seal - that's were the oil leak was coming from * Pick up and return motorcycle. Randy had the bike from the morning of Tues, July 5 to the evening of July 6 when he returned it to my place in Oakton. ** He also fixed the broken plastic stem on my right rear tail light. He tossed in that service for free because I'm so sweet and because he couldn't stand seeing the light dangle so helplessly. I can happily say my bike now runs VERY smoothly, has a little more pep than before, some of the back firing* has been eliminated and the oil and gas leaks are a thing of the past thanks to Randy's great work. All is well at the Casa de Motos Pequenas y Viejas (house of little old motorcycles). So well, that I'm not too worried about when I get that CBR 600 F3 I've been wanting. :-) * To eliminate back firing the baffles in the exhaust will need to be replaced. In my original post I said that Randy said it was the heat shields that need to be replaced. The loose heat shields were just adding to the rattling on the bike and had nothing to do with the back firing. That was a misunderstanding on my part. P.S.: Thanks to Jim Jacks(on) for recommending Randy! - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD (cleans carbs feel SOOOO good!) -----Original Message----- From: Ursulina Viteri To: DC Cycles Date: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 4:36 AM Subject: ?? about $$ for carb work >Hi ya, > >I've been given an estimate for carb work on my bike, a 1988 Kawasaki 454 >LTD. It's developed a fuel leak and back fires mercilessly, as anyone >that's ridden behind me knows. An independent mechanic has offered the >following quote: > >$210 to remove carbs, clean, reseal, adjust, and replace. He says he'll >have to keep the bike for a few days. How does that price and time frame >sound? > >Also, would this be called a "carb cleaning" or "carb rebuilding"? What's >the difference? > >The mechanic also noticed the rear muffler heat shields are missing and that >could be adding to the backfiring. To replace those would be an additional >cost. > >- - Ursulina >1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD >(old and cranky as she is, she can still go the distance! NO, not me, the >BIKE! :-) > > From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 11 10:48:57 1999 Return-Path: skight@XXXXXX Received: from enterprise.reliacom.com ([151.200.65.161]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02118 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 10:48:56 -0400 (EDT) From: skight@XXXXXX Received: by enterprise.reliacom.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 10:52:53 -0400 Message-ID: <0E21D1BF9FD8D211804F006008A591102E4169@enterprise.reliacom.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Who owns the suzuki bandit 1200 in ballston? Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 10:52:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Your bike is sitting next to mine, lets ride sometime! I am guessing you are on the list since you had an email from this list on your bike. Its time to put some miles on your ride! We will have one more ducati parked down there in a week or 2 as my girlfriend gets takes her MSF this week and gains the use of my older 900ss/cr. Scot Sorry about the specific use of the list like this, but hey, its still all about riding ;> From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 11 11:42:53 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03191 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 11:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA11768 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 11:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA10845 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 11:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (216-164-229-185.s439.tnt8.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.229.185]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA21115 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 11:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 99 11:38:49 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: Today's ride To: DC Cycles X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 Looked like it would be nice, but the karma just wasn't there. my left mirror fell off as I pulled out of my driveway, and when we hit the first set of twisties my head just wasn't in it. didn't want to hold everyone up and put ya'll at risk, which is why I bailed. hope everyone had fun. greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/11/99 HSTA/AMA 11:38:49 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 11 15:14:16 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA06552 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 15:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (a0168.chantilly.mns.net [206.239.104.200]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA07851; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 15:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <378918EC.40F0@mnsinc.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 15:21:32 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mobacc CC: dc-cycles Subject: re: Lanesplitting Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Swanson wrote: > 1. For some more on lanesplitting I've posted the Motorcycle Times article > of mine and a couple of subsequent insightful letters-to-editor from other > MT readers. > ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/Lanesplitting.txt Thanks Bill, I thought you might have something too share about this. In light of the anecdotal evidence posted around this topic, I think the first place that might go 'California' (so to speak ;) is DC itself. That should be the locus of any legislative campaign in my view. From there, acceptance of lanesplitting might be absorbed into the surrounding communities. In any event, you are right, sufficient numbers organized together - a critical mass as it's called - are the primary component. John Kozyn From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 11 16:49:58 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA07996 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA12627 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:49:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA14101 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:49:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (209-122-253-61.s61.tnt8.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.253.61]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA04083; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:49:51 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990711164602.00aaae80@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:48:22 -0400 To: Greg Sachs From: Mike T Subject: Re: Today's ride Cc: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:38 AM 7/11/99 , Greg Sachs wrote: >Looked like it would be nice, but the karma just wasn't there. my left >mirror fell off as I pulled out of my driveway, and when we hit the first >set of twisties my head just wasn't in it. didn't want to hold everyone >up and put ya'll at risk, which is why I bailed. hope everyone had fun. I noticed you had dropped out - thats too bad. I bailed at 211 - front end felt a little loose and it shuddered through a few turns, so I didn;t want to push it. Took me 30 minutes to trim the bumper of the VFR - just need a good source for some lightweight plexi to cover the hole for light to the rear plate. Looks a lot better short.... _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 11 17:09:56 1999 Return-Path: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08358 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 17:09:54 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2DGEa23618 (3924) for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 17:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 17:08:42 EDT Subject: Re: Today's ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 There was no need to bail. There was plenty of room at the rear! I'm sure you could've at least kept up with me. Except for being left behind (faaar behind at times) it was another good ride. Maybe next time I'll get my own ridesheet so I don't hold anyone up, and take the ride at a slower "scenic" speed. :) Rob "da caboose" VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 11 18:08:35 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09340 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (216-164-224-102.s102.tnt6.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.224.102]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA21855; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 99 18:01:10 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: Re: Today's ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, NJitzul@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii --- On Sun, 11 Jul 1999 17:08:42 EDT NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: >There was no need to bail. There was plenty of room at the rear! I'm sure you >could've at least kept up with me. Except for being left behind (faaar behind >at times) it was another good ride. Maybe next time I'll get my own ridesheet >so I don't hold anyone up, and take the ride at a slower "scenic" speed. :) > >Rob "da caboose" VanSlyke >83 Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- Maybe, but I didn't feel safe out there-I didn't get much sleep, and I was charging into turns but not reading them well at all. That plus the omen of having my mirror fall off this morning just suggested that the karma wasn't there. Got the mirror fixed, just had to braze in a new mounting post. Warning for Honda owners with mirrors that are mounted as such: post on mirror stem, through a clamp block, held in by a perpindicular screw that goes through a indent in the mirror post(VFR, I think cbr 900, not sure what else), make sure they stay greased. The part of the mounting post above the clamp/cross screw siezed in the mount, allowing the bottom half to twist away from it. This caused a break at the indent, which is why my mirror fell off.(just amazed at the timing, managed to avoid pavement that would have busted the mirror and meant a $60 charge for a new one. greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/11/99 HSTA/AMA 6:01:10 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 11 18:19:42 1999 Return-Path: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09508 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:19:41 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 3CBIa05643 (4326); Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8a355165.24ba71e8@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:17:12 EDT Subject: Re: Today's ride To: ges6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 I understand. Actually, I had alot of omens today: VA State Trooper going opposite direction flashed his lights at me on my way to the meeting place; had two vehicles pull out in front of me on the ride; got stuck behind several other vehicles that everyone else passed; we met up with yet another VA State Trooper at one of the stops asking about someone crossing the double-yellow at 120mph; and had a crow dive at me when I disturbed a flock of birds. But I didn't wreck... yet. I was thinking of going out for a slow ride, but now I'm reconsidering. Ride on and ride safe! Rob From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 11 21:35:22 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA12678 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 21:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.114]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.3.1) with SMTP id ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 21:30:20 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , , Subject: RE: Today's ride Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 21:30:49 -0400 Message-ID: <000501becc06$2c25d6e0$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <8a355165.24ba71e8@aol.com> Importance: Normal > But I didn't wreck... yet. I was thinking of going out > for a slow > ride, but now I'm reconsidering. Ride on and ride safe! I know the feeling about bad vibes. Got a REAL bad vibe on Friday. Was just out cruising around. Had my closest call ever. This idiot pulled out in such a way that the only thing to do was grab the brakes... HARD!! Hard enough, in fact, that the ABS cycled once. Definitely an underwear changing experience. Decided it was time to just head home, and work on some stuff around the house. All this weekend's luck (and probably much from the summer) got used up in about ten seconds. (It was probably only about 3, but it felt like forever.) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 11 21:57:51 1999 Return-Path: dankenney@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f276.hotmail.com [207.82.251.167]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA13083 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 21:57:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 40238 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jul 1999 01:56:52 -0000 Message-ID: <19990712015652.40237.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.164.242.124 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:56:51 PDT X-Originating-IP: [216.164.242.124] From: "DAN KENNEY" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sunday ride Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:56:51 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Today was a great ride ( in spite of getting lost momentariely). It was nice meeting everyone. I want to thank Anita for planning such a nice route. Man do I feel slow after seeing Collin ride my TL. By the way has anyone seen that bunch of bikes that passed someone on a double yellow yet?. There is a police officer in Va waiting for some one to confess!!!. Dan Kenney Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 02:09:39 1999 Return-Path: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA18147 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 02:09:38 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2FRWa06967 (535) for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 02:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1c41963f.24bae078@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 02:08:56 EDT Subject: Re: Today's ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 My closest call happened to ruin Anita's safety record. I think that wreck is still in the back of my mind, and I am really slowing down for turns as a consequence. Not that my Shadow is a speed demon, or twisties terror anyways. :) Rob VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 07:46:40 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA23754 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 07:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA15255 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 07:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA24932 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 07:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112138036.cit.nih.gov [165.112.138.36]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA7700800 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 07:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3789D62C.F24AC96D@radix.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 07:49:00 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Tow damage - full story Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A couple of weeks ago, I posted that I incurred some damage in a tow. Here's what happened. Here's the short version: Advanced Towing & Recovery, of Great Falls ( according to Fairfax Co. licensing ) Va. (703) 830-5111 caused over $350 of cosmetic damage to my bike on 8 June, 1999, while transporting it to Fast Lane Cycles of Chantilly, Va. They don't want to pay for it. Please, whatever you do, DO NOT USE these IDIOTS. Also, don't call their number listed above to get a tow & not be there when they show up, that wouldn't be nice....... Full Story: I had a problem at MIR on 4 June, had to be towed home. Got there safe & sound thanks to Kevin's towing of Lexington Park, MD. Kevin took great care not to screw up the machine. when I parked the bike, Kevin, my wife & I all checked the bike over, & no damage was incurred. Kevin was a good guy & a pro, don't hesitate for a minute to use his services should you need them. Monday, 7 June, I called Fast Lane Cycles, while loading up magazines for my AKS-47, wondering what happened to those damned flatsides... I got 2 tow #'s from Rick. I thought it would work out better to get someone local to Fast Lane, since I live in Md... I contacted Advanced Towing & Recovery, they had an account with Fast Lane, billing directly to them. He didn't show on the 7th ( I should have gotten someone else at this point, I know ). I called him on the 8th, he had the wrong # & showed up on the 8th of June about 2:30 PM. he had a 'regular type' tow truck, with a T shaped extension & wheel guides. There were 2 guys, they assured me it was stable. It looked that way once the bike was on it. No damage occurred to my bike until it had arrived at Fast Lane. The Fast Lane guys began unloading, when Greg noticed the damage. 'Yates is an S.O.B. , but he didn't do this crap'... Fast Lane said 'no money for you dude, this guy's a long time customer that spends LOTS of money here & he didn't do this. Fast Lane called me, told me about it, said the driver said I did it. I talked to the driver, who wanted his money. He got Pi$$ed & tried to take the bike. By hook or crook, he was not permitted to leave the Fast Lane parking lot, & the bike was unloaded by the Fast Lane mechanics even as the driver tried to stop them. I had the police called, they wouldn't even get out of the car. They dismissed the tow truck driver & that was that. Subsequent contact with the driver has revealed : 1: He's a member of the Idiot Network. 2: he's a liar. & 3: he doesn't have the slightest feeling of guilt. Fast Lane is certain that the tow truck caused the damage in transit, due to the way it was secured. Damage consisted of a gouged lower fork tube, not readily visible, but a scar nonetheless, broken left lower fairing & broken tail light housing, & lost key. The 2 fairing pieces are less than $400 from Kawasaki... Suing in Small Claims court could possibly recoup my money, & it isn't expensive, but nothing is certain... I'm debating this now. While Fast Lane took their sweet, Mrs. Butterworth's time fixing it, I have my bike back, & who knows what would have happened to it if the idiots had made off with it. A word of caution, get the license info & the Business insurance info from the tow truck driver before you ever let them touch your vehicle - then you have some leverage... Thanks, -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Analyst Soza & Company, Ltd. IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator ATG Group Webmaster (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 09:12:42 1999 Return-Path: 900rrmofo@XXXXXX Received: from mailcity.com (fes-qout.whowhere.com [209.1.236.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA25628 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailcity.com; Mon Jul 12 06:12:01 1999 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "DAN KENNEY" Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 06:12:01 -0700 From: "C J" <900rrmofo@XXXXXX> Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Sunday ride X-Sender-Ip: 140.188.64.152 Organization: MailCity (http://www.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah what a suprise it must have been for you all..... To ride up to the store and see the MoFo's stopped with a sherrifs car parked next to us..... When the officer (she) pulled up, she asked us if we had passed a car on the double yellow ?? We all looked at one another and said Nothing at all to her.....Basically just ignored her.... Like what was she going to do anyway....She had seen nothing.... Thanks for the ride Anita... --- Craig 99 RR On Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:56:51 DAN KENNEY wrote: >Today was a great ride ( in spite of getting lost momentariely). It was nice >meeting everyone. I want to thank Anita for planning such a nice route. Man >do I feel slow after seeing Collin ride my TL. By the way has anyone seen >that bunch of bikes that passed someone on a double yellow yet?. There is a >police officer in Va waiting for some one to confess!!!. > > > >Dan Kenney >Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://my.lycos.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 09:13:00 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.114]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25631 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:12:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by wodc7mr0.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgxnw01171; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 13:12:33 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 852567AC.0049443C ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:20:15 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "George Howell" cc: NJitzul@XXXXXX, ges6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567AC.00494241.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:11:50 -0400 Subject: RE: Today's ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline You know, it really amazes me how many chances cagers are taking nowadays. Three times this weekend we had a cager pull a quick left-handed turn right in front of us and once right in front of a car! This was not a case of "I didn't see you" as we were riding at night with headlights on. It just seems like people are driving much more dangerously lately. If it's not the red-light runners, it's the left-handers. Be careful out there! I love the idea of watching out for "bad karma" & going home instead of risking it. I live my life by that. Instincts sometimes are our best savior. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "George Howell" on 07/11/99 09:30:49 PM To: NJitzul@XXXXXX, ges6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: RE: Today's ride > But I didn't wreck... yet. I was thinking of going out > for a slow > ride, but now I'm reconsidering. Ride on and ride safe! I know the feeling about bad vibes. Got a REAL bad vibe on Friday. Was just out cruising around. Had my closest call ever. This idiot pulled out in such a way that the only thing to do was grab the brakes... HARD!! Hard enough, in fact, that the ABS cycled once. Definitely an underwear changing experience. Decided it was time to just head home, and work on some stuff around the house. All this weekend's luck (and probably much from the summer) got used up in about ten seconds. (It was probably only about 3, but it felt like forever.) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 09:14:34 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25641 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA15740 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alms1.fw.att.com (alms1.att.com [192.128.167.146]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA26166 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flf960r1.ems.att.com ([135.71.244.37]) by alms1.fw.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id JAA01487; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:14:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh3.ems.att.com by flf960r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id JAA14312; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh3.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <33VRASM4>; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:14:00 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE010E49D3@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Carver, John M, BGM" To: NJitzul@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: VA State Trooper & 120 mph Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:13:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Rob wrote: << . . . .we met up with yet another VA State Trooper at one of the stops asking about someone crossing the double-yellow at 120mph . . .> Sooo???? Did you witness the individual that perpetrated this heinous act? ;-) (Details please) John 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 10:03:02 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26438 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user36.anent.com [208.195.115.36]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA04179 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:59:48 -0400 Message-ID: <003201becc6f$45a303e0$2473c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" References: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE010E49D3@vae820po01.nova.att.com> Subject: Re: VA State Trooper & 120 mph Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:56:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > Rob wrote: > > << . . . .we met up with yet another > VA State Trooper at one of the stops asking about someone crossing the > double-yellow at 120mph . . .> > > Sooo???? Did you witness the individual that perpetrated this heinous act? > ;-) (Details please) > > John > 98 VFR Individual(s)... And no I didn't see it... And it was a County cop, not a State Trooper... ;-) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 10:21:28 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26753 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Anita.dlt.com ([199.4.241.102]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA30581; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:21:29 -0400 Message-Id: <199907121421.KAA30581@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "C J" <900rrmofo@XXXXXX> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:21:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Sunday ride CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) On 12 Jul 99, at 6:12, C J wrote: > Yeah what a suprise it must have been for you all..... > > To ride up to the store and see the MoFo's stopped with a sherrifs > car parked next to us..... Yup, I was wondering what the heck you guys did this time! Then I wondered if we should just ride past like we didn't know you all!! :-) > Thanks for the ride Anita... You're welcome! Great weather, great roads, *way* too much traffic (compared to how deserted those roads usually are)... guess everyone came out of hibernation with the lower temps/humidity. I guess I should keep practicing on 688 'cause I don't know it well enough yet! :-) Anita PS - Anyone figure out where 628 is yet? That's the road that the county cop asked us about (and said there were 2 crashes there yesterday morning). From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 10:25:12 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26776 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:25:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Anita.dlt.com ([199.4.241.102]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA31070; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:25:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199907121425.KAA31070@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:25:38 -0400 Subject: RE: Today's ride CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <852567AC.00494241.00@172.16.2.37> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) On 12 Jul 99, at 9:11, Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > You know, it really amazes me how many chances cagers are taking > nowadays. My favorite bonehead manuever from yesterday was a Mercedes sport-ute BACKING UP on 678 in GW National Forest.. came around a corner and not only was there a car in my lane... not just stopped, but backing up because they missed their turn! I think the same car did something similarly stupid as the faster group went by! And then there was that pickup truck doing a 5-point turn in the middle of a turn.. oh yeah, it was a fun day! Anita (believes in bad karma as well!) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 11:20:33 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA27833 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:20:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA16616 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA29349 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA06175; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:20:13 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990712111925.01911510@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:20:07 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: From the VFR list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" http://www.marseeproducts.com/main.html Scroll down and check out the bike - 210 lbs, 75 HP....hmmm...... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 11:20:47 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA27836 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA28308 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3NBGZKNW>; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:25:05 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427D4F324@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Cellphone Ban Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:25:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain The "failure to maintain control of vechicle" type statute comes to mind when those drivers on the road devote more attention to gabbing than steering. Seems like a real opportunity for the County of Fairfax and the Commonwealth of Virginia to make some money while meeting ticket quotas. The statement of fact as to whether a driver has a phone in hand as opposed to on the steering wheel is a matter of kind, that is, either a person is holding a phone in their hand while driving or they are not. I like the idea of someone paying full attention when piloting a mass on the order of tons especially when compared to riding my two-wheeler with a weight in terms of pounds. Mike 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 11:37:13 1999 Return-Path: NickKaiho@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28085 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:37:11 -0400 (EDT) From: NickKaiho@XXXXXX Received: from NickKaiho@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2ZYWa14320 (8017) for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:36:33 EDT Subject: hi To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 18 Hi, I'm new to the area, and new to this list. I was wondering when/where the next ride would be taking place. I checked out the website and the "upcoming rides" link is bad. -Nick 99 Duc 748 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 12:01:32 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA28610 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA17049 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA00353 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:01:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lcsa3 (mail.lcsa.org) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FER004CKLT19C@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:56:08 -0400 From: Gary Foreman Subject: RE: cell phone Ban In-reply-to: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427D4F324@tralfaz.treev.com> To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <006201becc7f$0e03de40$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) How about a law forbidding reading while driving! No shit, I was on 28 south last wed. A lady stopped at the light was reading a book and driving. I thought she would put it down when moving, but she kept the paperback in hand, all the while looking up, then down at the book, WHILE MOVING! So at an opportune moment, I blew the horn (while she was looking down). The book flew, and I guess went out of her reach. She had no idea who blew the horn, but was having a slight panic attack (wish it was a heart attack). Sure as shit, next light she leaned over, got the book, and continued her novel. P.S. She was not some young kid, I'd say she was 50 years old. My feel on the cell phone. Using it is not a good idea while driving, but why give the cops another excuse to pull you over (Duh, I saw them talking so I figured they were using a cell phone). If we are going to ban Cell Phones, let go ahead and ban eating, looking at your passenger and talking, talking in general, singing with the radio, scratching your ass... Well, as you see it can get ridiculous. Too many laws...not enough action/conviction. I feel the same about gun laws. Let's find a way to enforce what we have instead of making new ones. "failure to maintain control of vehicle" is against the law. Last accident I was in some asshole on the Dulles Toll Road (I was on the Dulles Access Rd) tried to cut over and came up the ramp the wrong way to avoid the traffic backup. I was exiting the Dulles Rd onto the Toll Rd. The rest is history, plowed him with my CRX. He was charged with reckless driving. 1st time in court, it was continued (1 day work lost for me). 2nd day in Court, lawyer had it reduced to Improper driving. 2 days work lost for me. So much for justice. > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Jay [mailto:mjay@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 11:25 AM > To: 'DC Cycles' > Subject: RE: Cellphone Ban > > > The "failure to maintain control of vechicle" type statute comes to mind > when those drivers on the road devote more attention to gabbing than > steering. > > Seems like a real opportunity for the County of Fairfax and the > Commonwealth > of Virginia to make some money while meeting ticket quotas. > > The statement of fact as to whether a driver has a phone in hand > as opposed > to on the steering wheel is a matter of kind, that is, either a person is > holding a phone in their hand while driving or they are not. > > I like the idea of someone paying full attention when piloting a > mass on the > order of tons especially when compared to riding my two-wheeler with a > weight in terms of pounds. > > Mike > 82 XJ750RJ > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 12:03:56 1999 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@[207.124.52.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA28630 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:03:42 -0400 (EDT) From: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from jnewman ([192.168.13.162]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA01708 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:06:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199907121506.LAA01708@bmdo.mcri.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:59:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Crazy Cagers- Was"Today's ride" Priority: normal In-reply-to: <852567AC.00494241.00@172.16.2.37> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Jeannette_Zell wrote: > "You know, it really amazes me how many chances cagers are taking nowadays. > Three times this weekend we had a cager pull a quick left-handed turn right in > front of us and once right in front of a car! >...Just seems like people are driving much more dangerously lately. I am quickly learning to NEVER, EVER underestimate how desperate, reckless and area drivers have become. After living and driving in this area for the last three years, yesterday I was witness to the the most asinine driving manuver I have ever come across... The scene: Yesterday I was riding on 395 south from DC over the 14th st bridge heading for the GW parkway. As many of you are probably familiar, the exit from 395 to the GW PW is fairly sharp, BLIND, [ because of the large concrete barrier which runs along the right side] downhill exit. Well, this guy decided at the last minute that he did not want to get on the gw parkway after all, and after he had gone partway down the ramp, starts backing up... Keep in mind that this ramp is only about 2 "compact" car widths wide... The guy in front of me missed him by just about locking his brakes up. I had plenty of room to slow down and pass, in part because I was tipped off by the horn and screeching from the car in front of me. The moral of this story is to never think to yourself: "nobody is really stupid enough to back up on a bind freeway exit with traffic at 55mph." There are people out there who ARE that stupid. Shaking my head in disgust, -John N. 88 400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 12:10:50 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA28732 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user152.anent.com [208.195.115.152]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA00335 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:07:33 -0400 Message-ID: <020901becc81$1ed55ee0$2473c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" References: <199907121421.KAA30581@radagast.wizard.net> Subject: Re: Sunday ride Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:10:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > On 12 Jul 99, at 6:12, C J wrote: > > > Yeah what a suprise it must have been for you all..... > > > > To ride up to the store and see the MoFo's stopped with a sherrifs > > car parked next to us..... > > Yup, I was wondering what the heck you guys did this time! Then I > wondered if we should just ride past like we didn't know you all!! :-) Actually it was great that you pulled in. There were motorcycles everywhere. The cop didn't know which way to look. > > Thanks for the ride Anita... > > You're welcome! Great weather, great roads, *way* too much > traffic (compared to how deserted those roads usually are)... guess > everyone came out of hibernation with the lower temps/humidity. > > I guess I should keep practicing on 688 'cause I don't know it well > enough yet! :-) You don't give yourself enough credit! Seriously! > Anita > > PS - Anyone figure out where 628 is yet? That's the road that the > county cop asked us about (and said there were 2 crashes there > yesterday morning). Just found it on SA5. Look at Rt. 729 and find Eggbornsville (!?) about halfway between 229 and 211. 628 runs east and west from there. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 12:21:49 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA28973 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (216-164-230-193.s193.tnt7.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.230.193]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA03438; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 99 12:17:39 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: RE: hi To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, NickKaiho@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii --- On Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:36:33 EDT NickKaiho@XXXXXX wrote: >Hi, > >I'm new to the area, and new to this list. I was wondering when/where the >next ride would be taking place. I checked out the website and the "upcoming >rides" link is bad. > >-Nick >99 Duc 748 > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- There is a MD HSTA ride this Sunday, info below. Prior to each Sunday ride we will have Breakfast at the Four Seasons Restaurant. Breakfast is at 8:00 AM SHARP. The restaurant gets very busy so try to be on time. The Four Seasons is located on Rt. 144 just east of the junction of Rt. 27 and I-70 in Mount Airy, Md. You can see the restaurant on the south side of I-70 just east of Rt. 27. Even if you can't ride with us that day why not come by for a good breakfast and some great conversation. If you need directions call Jack at 301-854-3852. I will try and make this one, if I can wake up. that's usually hard though. greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/12/99 HSTA/AMA 12:17:39 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 13:15:20 1999 Return-Path: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA29908 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 13:15:18 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id cWKHa13191 (7999); Mon, 12 Jul 1999 13:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 13:13:00 EDT Subject: Re: Sunday ride To: 2xracers@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 In a message dated 7/12/99 10:28:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 2xracers@XXXXXX writes: << PS - Anyone figure out where 628 is yet? That's the road that the county cop asked us about (and said there were 2 crashes there yesterday morning). >> I found where 628 is West of 55. After I split from the group, I found my way to 55 and cruised West for a bit. I noticed the road and decided to take it. One word: BOOORING!! Well, at least for the rest of you guys and gals. Past 55 it's pretty straight and wide. Only way someone could wreck there is if they were going 120mph crossing on a double yellow. Hmmmm.... Rob VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 13:20:00 1999 Return-Path: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA29940 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 13:19:59 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2DNBa11075 (7999) for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 13:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 13:18:36 EDT Subject: Re: VA State Trooper & 120 mph To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 In a message dated 7/12/99 10:09:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bnorton@XXXXXX writes: << Individual(s)... And no I didn't see it... And it was a County cop, not a State Trooper... ;-) >> Well, I wasn't going any 120 (bike is rather speed limited), but... uh... no comment. Hey, that Mustang was turning off the road at that point and I swerved to miss!! Yeah.. that's my story and I'm sticking to it. It had lights on the car, and a badge on the officer so it didn't matter if she was County or State to me. A ticket's a ticket. =8^O Rob "ticket free" VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 14:10:51 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA01154 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id LAA17641 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:10:47 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:10:47 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sunday ride & bad motorscooter Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:10:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi all - I'm looking for some group wisdom here I bailed on Sunday as my scooter started doing bad things, and I figured the closer to home I was the better, should the beast stop entirely. Here are the symptoms: Under neutral throttle, bike runs OK Under slight acceleration (light throttle, changing from level flight to climb), the engine stutters and misses - this is steady, not intermittent. The more I load the engine, the worse the missing becomes... If I go WFO - the miss disappears and I accelerate smoothly until the scooter catches up to the throttle setting, whereupon it starts missing again. I drained the tank and put in fresh gas on the possibility I got a bad batch in Middleburg, but to no avail. Thoughts? Thanks Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 14:17:16 1999 Return-Path: mark.petty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01312 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3TNQW0T0>; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:11:02 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Inspection question Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:10:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain My bike is (over) due for its inspection. The only thing that worries me is that when the high beams are on, the idiot light isn't. Is this a flaggable offense? thanks, Mark From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 14:21:15 1999 Return-Path: 900rrmofo@XXXXXX Received: from mailcity.com (fes-qout.whowhere.com [209.1.236.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA01435 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailcity.com; Mon Jul 12 11:20:07 1999 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:20:07 -0700 From: "C J" <900rrmofo@XXXXXX> Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Sunday ride X-Sender-Ip: 151.200.120.144 Organization: MailCity (http://www.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit honest deputy dog......we did nothing...hehehe...... I was just following............hahaha....lmao Actually we were quite mild while passing.... Attempts were made at being quiet......trying not to scare the white hairs.... don't it make your brown hair blue ?? --- Craig 99 RR Not that you need any more practice on that road........but knowing where the new leaf fall is could be helpful... On Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:21:52 Anita Lauro wrote: >Yup, I was wondering what the heck you guys did this time! Then I >wondered if we should just ride past like we didn't know you all!! :-) > >I guess I should keep practicing on 688 'cause I don't know it well >enough yet! :-) > >Anita Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://my.lycos.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 14:37:53 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01751 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user207.anent.com [208.195.115.207]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA00649; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:34:36 -0400 Message-ID: <041c01becc95$aa8b4580$2473c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "Mark Petty" , References: Subject: Re: Inspection question Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:37:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I think that it can fail inspection for this. Whether the inspector will catch it is another question. It's probably just a burned out bulb in the guage cluster. What kind of bike is it? > My bike is (over) due for its inspection. The only thing that worries me > is that when the high beams are on, the idiot light isn't. Is this a > flaggable offense? > > thanks, > Mark From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 14:38:01 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01753 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <3Y0SD5KM>; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:37:34 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Sunday ride & bad motorscooter Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:37:30 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) My first guess is that you've some little bit of something caught in the carb bowl... more than likely it's interfering with a jet (slow/air jet). though it may be that you've developed an air-leak in a slide diaphragm. The only 2 places the bike runs well is WFO and 0 throttle? Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 14:52:03 1999 Return-Path: mark.petty@XXXXXX Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA02009 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3TNQW0ZP>; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:45:54 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Inspection question Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:45:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain '83 V65 Magna, which apparently has a sealed instrument cluster, which apparently costs several hundred to replace. The other thought is that I might be able to fix this by cleaning the switch mechanism. How likely is this? -Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Norton [mailto:bnorton@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 2:38 PM > To: Mark Petty; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Inspection question > > > I think that it can fail inspection for this. Whether the > inspector will catch > it is another question. It's probably just a burned out bulb > in the guage > cluster. What kind of bike is it? > > > > My bike is (over) due for its inspection. The only thing > that worries me > > is that when the high beams are on, the idiot light isn't. Is this a > > flaggable offense? > > > > thanks, > > Mark > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 15:13:11 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA02358 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:12:06 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:12:03 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:10:15 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mark.petty@XXXXXX Subject: Inspection question -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Best way to find out is dig out that little pink slip from your last inspection--It lists all the check items on one side. It seems stupid that they could flunk you for a burnt idiot light, but then the whole damn program is stupid so it's anyone's guess. stickers suck, Joe From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 15:24:15 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02526 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user207.anent.com [208.195.115.207]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA00975; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:20:58 -0400 Message-ID: <046e01becc9c$24f5b700$2473c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "Mark Petty" , References: Subject: Re: Inspection question Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:24:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Not according to the parts fiche. Instrument bulbs are shown as separate parts. It looks like the sockets come out where the wiring runs into the back of the cluster. Might be worth another look. I don't think it would be the switch but I could be wrong. Bruce > '83 V65 Magna, which apparently has a sealed instrument cluster, which > apparently costs several hundred to replace. The other thought is that I > might be able to fix this by cleaning the switch mechanism. How likely > is this? > > -Mark From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 15:24:36 1999 Return-Path: schelzig@XXXXXX Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02529 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PC37 ([63.72.70.153]) by cpiserv2.uu.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id 3XKQ1TFF; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:17:55 -0400 Message-ID: <003f01becc9c$7092dcb0$9946483f@pc37> From: "Erik Schelzig" To: "Mark Petty" , Subject: Re: Inspection question Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:26:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I've never known motorcycle inspection to be that thorough. As long as your lights work, they're not going to take note of stuff like that. Go to Crossroads Cycles and Dennis will go through the inspect without giving you any crap - unless you deserve getting crap, but that's a different story! Erik --- Erik J. Schelzig 80 CX500D "Das Beast" http://gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~schelzig -----Original Message----- From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 2:39 PM Subject: Inspection question >My bike is (over) due for its inspection. The only thing that worries me >is that when the high beams are on, the idiot light isn't. Is this a >flaggable offense? > >thanks, >Mark > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 15:24:55 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1102.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.122]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA02532 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:24:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990712192436.29197.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1102.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:24:36 PDT Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:24:36 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Inspection question To: Bruce Norton , Mark Petty , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't know, no one has ever looked at my instrument cluster in an inspection (in Virginia). --- Bruce Norton wrote: > I think that it can fail inspection for this. > Whether the inspector will catch > it is another question. It's probably just a burned > out bulb in the guage > cluster. What kind of bike is it? > > > > My bike is (over) due for its inspection. The only > thing that worries me > > is that when the high beams are on, the idiot > light isn't. Is this a > > flaggable offense? > > > > thanks, > > Mark > > === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 15:33:13 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02717 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00475 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3NBGZK89>; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:37:29 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427D4F325@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Good article -Reply Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:37:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Hi everybody, Just thought I would see if the barrel still needed stirring.... The "I will only hurt myself" verbiage must mean: -- both the author's parents have past away, -- he has no aunts, uncles, cousins or other caring kin folk, -- he has no friends, -- has never fathered/adopted any children; and, -- and has no significant other in his life. But, then again that depends on if hurt means merely physical injury. "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child. But, when I became a man, I put away the things of a child." (guess who) In all fairness though, I agree with his overall point--in fact, who takes the greater risk? We who commute around D.C. Or, the author who rides in the vast expanses of Montana. Mike 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 15:40:41 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02843 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user207.anent.com [208.195.115.207]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA01075 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:37:23 -0400 Message-ID: <049201becc9e$6fdb61a0$2473c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: References: Subject: Re: Inspection question -Reply Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:40:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Those little check boxes don't mean squat. They only list the general areas, not the specific items checked. FWIW I was a VA inspector for many years. > Best way to find out is dig out that little pink slip from your last > inspection--It lists all the check items on one side. It seems stupid > that they could flunk you for a burnt idiot light, but then the whole > damn program is stupid so it's anyone's guess. > > stickers suck, > > Joe From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 15:44:11 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02930 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA06699 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:44:04 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990712154232.01f44ab0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:43:54 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Inspection question In-Reply-To: <003f01becc9c$7092dcb0$9946483f@pc37> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:26 PM 7/12/99 , Erik Schelzig wrote: >I've never known motorcycle inspection to be that thorough. As long as your >lights work, they're not going to take note of stuff like that. Go to >Crossroads Cycles and Dennis will go through the inspect without giving you >any crap - unless you deserve getting crap, but that's a different story! If you don;t want _any_ crap - just go to any Inspection station / gas station! I don;t know how it works in MD, but in VA you roll in and they look at your blinkers and slap a sticker on (for bikes). They are pretty anal with cars though.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 15:59:32 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1103.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.123]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA03175 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:59:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990712195948.17490.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1103.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:59:48 PDT Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:59:48 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Inspection question To: Mark Petty , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Another thought on this. I have an old Honda too (82 CX500) and it has had some weird problems with the gauge lights and taillight. According to Dennis as Crossroad Cycles, this is not uncommon in Hondas of that era and is related to the ignition switch. (In my case, the taillight worked fine in park and then went away when the ignition was on... but the brake light continued to work. At the same time all lights on the cluster stopped working). They were able to fix it with a work around that kept me from having to replace the ignition switch. This lasted about a year and now it's doing it again (as of yesterday dammit!). Of course, the bulb is a more likely cause, but who knows? --- John Whiteside wrote: > I don't know, no one has ever looked at my > instrument > cluster in an inspection (in Virginia). > > --- Bruce Norton wrote: > > I think that it can fail inspection for this. > > Whether the inspector will catch > > it is another question. It's probably just a > burned > > out bulb in the guage > > cluster. What kind of bike is it? > > > > > > > My bike is (over) due for its inspection. The > only > > thing that worries me > > > is that when the high beams are on, the idiot > > light isn't. Is this a > > > flaggable offense? > > > > > > thanks, > > > Mark > > > > > > === > John Whiteside > Arlington, VA > jwhiteside@XXXXXX > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > > === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 16:07:09 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA03355 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:06:24 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:06:18 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:04:44 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: bnorton@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Inspection question -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline So are idiot (sorry, high-beam indicator) lites a factor or not? >>> "Bruce Norton" - 7/12/99 3:40 PM >>> Those little check boxes don't mean squat. They only list the general areas, not the specific items checked. FWIW I was a VA inspector for many years. > Best way to find out is dig out that little pink slip from your last > inspection--It lists all the check items on one side. It seems stupid > that they could flunk you for a burnt idiot light, but then the whole > damn program is stupid so it's anyone's guess. > > stickers suck, > > Joe From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 16:24:37 1999 Return-Path: bernescut@XXXXXX Received: from raphael.catholic.org (root@XXXXXX [207.95.245.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA03646 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WadeMarshall.ncea.org ([12.4.21.59]) by raphael.catholic.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA02241 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 13:24:04 -0700 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:16:21 -0400 Message-ID: <01BECC81.E18CC860.bernescut@ncea.org> From: Cedric Bernescut Reply-To: "bernescut@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Inspection question Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:16:20 -0400 Organization: NCEA X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree 100%. When Coleman can't do any more inspections, they send you to a gas station up the street. When I got there, the inspection was finished before I got my helmet and gloves off. This was better than the experience at Coleman which once failed me because I was missing a reflector on the side, which was missing when I bought it used from Coleman (noted on the sales contract) and which was ignored each following year at reinspection time. I guess one year I got the new guy. They did offer to sell me the $14.00 Honda part, but I bought an ugly bicycle one for $1.25 which works just fine. Cedric 1987 CBR600 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 3:44 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Inspection question At 03:26 PM 7/12/99 , Erik Schelzig wrote: >I've never known motorcycle inspection to be that thorough. As long as your >lights work, they're not going to take note of stuff like that. Go to >Crossroads Cycles and Dennis will go through the inspect without giving you >any crap - unless you deserve getting crap, but that's a different story! If you don;t want _any_ crap - just go to any Inspection station / gas station! I don;t know how it works in MD, but in VA you roll in and they look at your blinkers and slap a sticker on (for bikes). They are pretty anal with cars though.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 16:36:31 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA03963 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (209-122-214-217.s471.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.214.217]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA25196 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 99 16:31:40 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: Re: Inspection question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 And the part Number looks to be 34908-M80-003, or honda code 1260611 This is assuming that the indicators are all in the row of 5 lights going below the speedo/tachs. greg --- On Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:24:11 -0400 Bruce Norton wrote: >Not according to the parts fiche. Instrument bulbs are shown as separate parts. >It looks like the sockets come out where the wiring runs into the back of the >cluster. Might be worth another look. I don't think it would be the switch but >I could be wrong. > >Bruce > >> '83 V65 Magna, which apparently has a sealed instrument cluster, which >> apparently costs several hundred to replace. The other thought is that I >> might be able to fix this by cleaning the switch mechanism. How likely >> is this? >> >> -Mark > > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/12/99 HSTA/AMA 4:31:40 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 16:44:56 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA04071 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA19426 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA12274 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA06823 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:44:51 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990712164411.01949d70@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:44:49 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Rain, Rain, Go Away Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Any chance of the rain going away before my wet ride home? Thats what I get for watching the weather this morning. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 17:07:10 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04484 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA19666 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA13201 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FER008IHZYWU0@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 21:06:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta01.mcit.com (omzmta01.mcit.com [166.37.194.119]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA21715; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 21:02:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.38.156.10]) by omzmta01.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990712210632.MBLE19297@toddnt>; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 21:06:32 +0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:04:52 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Rain, Rain, Go Away In-reply-to: <4.1.19990712164411.01949d70@mail.wheatintl.com> To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000e01beccaa$2fb3c610$0a9c26a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Yippi! And me w/o rain gear! T > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 4:45 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Rain, Rain, Go Away > > > Any chance of the rain going away before my wet ride home? Thats what I > get for watching the weather this morning. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 17:09:04 1999 Return-Path: tansey@XXXXXX Received: from links.magenta.com (tansey@XXXXXX [151.199.66.150]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04505 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by links.magenta.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA14936; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:05:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:05:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Tansey To: Erik Schelzig cc: Mark Petty , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Inspection question In-Reply-To: <003f01becc9c$7092dcb0$9946483f@pc37> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 12 Jul 1999, Erik Schelzig wrote: > I've never known motorcycle inspection to be that thorough. As long as your > lights work, they're not going to take note of stuff like that. Go to > Crossroads Cycles and Dennis will go through the inspect without giving you > any crap - unless you deserve getting crap, but that's a different story! Another vote for Crossroads. I had my bike tuned up there, and noticed it needed to be inspected as I was pulling away. He did a quick check of things (all major stuff, not the cluster or anything) and I was on my way for $5. Shannon From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 17:23:22 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04792 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:23:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2PGIa06967 (4457) for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:22:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4f68f38.24bbb695@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:22:29 EDT Subject: Bad towing stories To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Just a word to the wise concerning towing companies. Unless you have dealt with a particular company, and even a particular driver on more than one occasion yourself, assume that all towing companies are less than admirable. I kind of had an interesting perspective presented to me when I used to hang out with a friend of mine who drove for several companies. Some companies are great companies, but there are many individual drivers who are out & out crooks. If you're ever having any towing done, and you have some time, do some serious checking. It can save you A LOT of grief. -Sean Jordan '83 CBR1000F From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 17:26:50 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04813 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA19864 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:26:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA13757 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdell15yze (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA08849; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:32:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000601beccad$94de07a0$ce01a8c0@wsdell15yze.spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt Senser" To: "Todd Peer" , "Troutman" , Subject: Re: Rain, Rain, Go Away Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:29:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 me too... of course I only have a 5 minute commute, but it's all on the higway. Rain hurts at 75 mph :-( Hobbes 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va. -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer To: Troutman ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 5:16 PM Subject: RE: Rain, Rain, Go Away >Yippi! And me w/o rain gear! > >T > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 4:45 PM >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Rain, Rain, Go Away >> >> >> Any chance of the rain going away before my wet ride home? Thats what I >> get for watching the weather this morning. >> >> ___________________________________________ >> Mike Troutman >> http://www.troutman.org >> >> '97 Honda VFR 750 >> >> From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 17:29:23 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04904 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:29:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2LPUa28467 (4457) for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <10988210.24bbb7d8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:27:52 EDT Subject: Re: hi To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Hey Nic! If I'm thinking correctly, I believe we met at the World Cafe in Sterling. Anywho, good to see you on the list! -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 17:30:34 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04984 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.159]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.3.1) with SMTP id ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:25:30 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Troutman" , Subject: RE: Inspection question Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:26:16 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01beccad$2c919720$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <4.1.19990712154232.01f44ab0@mail.wheatintl.com> Importance: Normal It's pretty darned easy in Md. If it's safe to ride on the street, it passes. All lights and horn must work. Check tread depth, and brake pad thickness. Then you are on your way. For the original poster: bring a box of donuts with you to the inspection station. The correct phrase is: "I was gonna have a donut while you inspected my bike. I can't eat them all. Do you guys want the rest?" ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > If you don;t want _any_ crap - just go to any Inspection station / gas > station! I don;t know how it works in MD, but in VA you roll in and they > look at your blinkers and slap a sticker on (for bikes). They are pretty > anal with cars though.... From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 17:30:33 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04981 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA19906 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA13884 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.159]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.3.1) with SMTP id ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:25:28 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Gary Foreman" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: cell phone Ban Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:26:12 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01beccad$2a9a0ce0$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <006201becc7f$0e03de40$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> Importance: Normal > so I figured they were using a cell phone). If we are going to ban Cell > Phones, let go ahead and ban eating, looking at your passenger > and talking, > talking in general, singing with the radio, scratching your > ass... Well, as > you see it can get ridiculous. I see you didn't specify nose picking, so I'm safe. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 17:41:15 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA05114 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA19985 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:41:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA14086 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.16.2.37 by dfw7sosrv11.alter.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgxpe01537; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 21:41:05 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 852567AC.0077D684 ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:48:57 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Todd Peer cc: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567AC.0077D654.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:40:29 -0400 Subject: RE: Rain, Rain, Go Away Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Me too. : ( - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Todd Peer on 07/12/99 05:04:52 PM To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: RE: Rain, Rain, Go Away Yippi! And me w/o rain gear! T > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 4:45 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Rain, Rain, Go Away > > > Any chance of the rain going away before my wet ride home? Thats what I > get for watching the weather this morning. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 18:29:21 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA06025 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA20490 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:29:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA15470 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (209-122-220-232.s486.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.220.232]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA06999 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:29:15 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990712182741.009f7a70@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:28:59 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: RE: Rain, Rain, Go Away In-Reply-To: <852567AC.0077D654.00@172.16.2.37> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:40 PM 7/12/99 , Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: >Me too. : ( > >- Jeannette Made it home safe and wet. Can't believe my tank bag kept some papers dry the whole way home. I don;t really like cornering in the rain yet....does that uneasy pucker factor _ever_ go away? _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 18:38:07 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA06246 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user193.anent.com [208.195.115.193]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA00028 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:34:53 -0400 Message-ID: <058701beccb7$3c577a80$2473c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: References: Subject: Re: Inspection question -Reply -Reply Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:38:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I'd have to check the manual and I don't have one. No one can remember all the rules in their head. Every inspection station has to have the manual on the premises while they're conducting inspections. ----- Original Message ----- From: JOE NAGY To: ; Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 4:04 PM Subject: Re: Inspection question -Reply -Reply > So are idiot (sorry, high-beam indicator) lites a factor or not? > > >>> "Bruce Norton" - 7/12/99 3:40 PM >>> > Those little check boxes don't mean squat. They only list the general > areas, > not the specific items checked. FWIW I was a VA inspector for many > years. > > > > Best way to find out is dig out that little pink slip from your last > > inspection--It lists all the check items on one side. It seems stupid > > that they could flunk you for a burnt idiot light, but then the whole > > damn program is stupid so it's anyone's guess. > > > > stickers suck, > > > > Joe From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 18:43:28 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA06334 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA20578 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA16016 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) with SMTP; 13 Jul 1999 01:42:43 UT Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:41 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "mike@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:From the VFR list Message-ID: <19990712144342515-a91a72f@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wow!! I rode (one time) a CR500R... what a beast that was... very scary. And now someone is building a road bike with that motor AND beefing it up! Look out folks.... Tom <---- who doesn't like to wheelie at 100mph '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: From the VFR list Author: mike@XXXXXX Date: 7/12/99 11:20 AM http://www.marseeproducts.com/main.html Scroll down and check out the bike - 210 lbs, 75 HP....hmmm...... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 18:50:07 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA06492 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 95 (207-172-80-117.s54.as6.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.80.117]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id SAA19351; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <02de01beccb9$1f18fd20$7550accf@95> From: "D. Thompson" To: , "Hugh Caldwell" References: Subject: Re: Mid-Ohio 7/16 - 7/18 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:51:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 ----- Original Message ----- From: Hugh Caldwell To: Danny Thompson Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 8:56 AM Subject: Re: Mid-Ohio 7/16 - 7/18 > > I'm going and would like to meet up with you at the > "Old Country Buffet" in Manassas. Great! > I've gotten a room for Thursday > night at the Super 8 but they where booked for the weekend. If > I can't find a room for the weekend could I sleep on your floor > during the weekend? I would be glad to pay for a 3rd of the rooms > cost. As far as I am concerned it is OK. Do you snore? > Someone had sent me a route I'll see if I can still find > it. Cool, if you find it share it and we'll come up with something. Danny '99 VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 18:58:51 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA06624 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA20646 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:58:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.114]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA16347 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.16.2.37 by wodc7mr0.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgxpj02808; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 22:58:31 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 852567AC.007EEDE5 ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 19:06:24 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Mike T cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567AC.007EECD1.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:57:53 -0400 Subject: RE: Rain, Rain, Go Away Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Yeah, it went away for me. For some reason I used to stupidly ride on the back of this completely crazy guy's bike. He rode through any type of rain, same speed and same cornering as riding in the wet. Thanks to him I learned the limits my bike can do in the rain! ; ) I'm very comfortable in the rain now. I just watch out for anything metal on the road and keep my following distance far. I think I've shocked many cagers blowing by them in the rain! LOL - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Mike T on 07/12/99 06:28:59 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: RE: Rain, Rain, Go Away At 05:40 PM 7/12/99 , Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: >Me too. : ( > >- Jeannette Made it home safe and wet. Can't believe my tank bag kept some papers dry the whole way home. I don;t really like cornering in the rain yet....does that uneasy pucker factor _ever_ go away? _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 19:12:14 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06924 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 19:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-52-75.s75.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.52.75]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id TAA14178; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 19:10:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "LindaT" To: "HSTA" , "DC-CYCLES" Subject: FW: (klr650) Around the World on Two Wheels 2000 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 19:10:50 -0400 Message-ID: <003e01beccbb$c81dcf20$542caccf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01BECC9A.410C2F20" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01BECC9A.410C2F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone got $15K and a coupla months off next year... Do you think my 250 would do? WOOHOO! LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (59K miles and counting...) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ X-From_: helge@XXXXXX Sat Jul 10 02:13:06 1999 Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 02:06:54 +0000 Subject: Around the World on Two Wheels 2000 From: "Helge Pedersen" To: Helge Pedersen Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Dear fellow motorcycle traveler. For many of you that receive this letter it has been a long wait, I am sorry about that and I do appreciate your passions. Friday July 9th fellow world motorcycle traveler Frank Campbell left Seattle with his BMW F-650, bound for Siberia. Both Frank and I have the last year been working on the idea of taking a group of motorcyclists on a journey that no other tour operators can offer. Frank even went to China to negotiate a deal with the Chinese for our ride in that country. In short we are in the final stages of realizing the plans to offer a journey that will literally take you around the world by motorcycle. Not until Frank return from his scouting trip at the end of September will we be able to give you a detailed itinerary and exact price for this extraordinary motorcycle world tour. But already now after a year of research we have come up with a rough itinerary that looks something like this: Motorcycles has to be in Seattle no later than May 1st 2000 Container with bikes is shipped to Japan. We fly to Japan around June 10th 2000 Approximately 1 week of motorcycle riding in Japan. Ferry to China w/bikes. Approximately 2 weeks of motorcycle riding in China. We will enter Russia and Siberia just East of Lake Bajkal. >From there we will head due east for the Black Sea. The tour ends in Munchen, Germany. To complete the circle you will have to cross the USA by your self or together with other members of the group. In other words Frank and I will be responsible to get you safely with your bike from Seattle to Munchen. Estimated time from Seattle to arrival in Munchen is 60 days. A rough estimate of the cost of the journey is US$ 15,000. - The cost will include shipping of bike to Japan, 60 nights of hotels, most meals, guides, chase vehicles, maps, GPS waypoints etc. We will limit the group to be about 15 motorcycles. First come first serve. Approximate length of journey will be about 10,000 miles Most of the roads we will travel are surfaced roads, but we still recommend a GS style motorcycle for the difficult parts. Screening of participants will be necessary. Not so much for the ability to ride a bike, but very much for the ability to endure the magnitude of the journey. Take a minute and look at a map and you will see that we will travel through some of the most important countries on this earth, Japan, China, Russia, Europe and USA. What a great way to start the new Millennium, riding your own bike around the world. This letter has been written just hours after Frank left Seattle and if you are interested to receive updates from Frank's journey please write him at flafrank@XXXXXX If you are interested in signing up or to be on a mailinglist to receive more information about the world tour please reply to this e-mail, helge@XXXXXX I will in the near future ad on an addition to www.globeriders.com where maps and pictures will inform you about the world tour. Please feel free to forward this e-mail to friends and newsgroups. Have a great summer! Sincerely Helge Pedersen http://globeriders.com .>> If you're not pushing your limits, you're not discovering anything new << ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01BECC9A.410C2F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone=20 got $15K and a coupla months off next year...
 
Do you=20 think my 250 would do?
 
WOOHOO!
 

LindaT.
95 F3 Purple Haze (59K=20 miles and counting...)
86 KLR250 Klarabelle
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/=20



 
X-From_: helge@XXXXXX Sat = Jul 10=20 02:13:06 1999
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 02:06:54 +0000
Subject: = Around the=20 World on Two Wheels 2000
From: "Helge Pedersen"=20 <helge@XXXXXX>
To: Helge Pedersen=20 <helge@XXXXXX>
Mime-version: 1.0
X-Priority:=20 3

 Dear fellow motorcycle traveler.
 
 For = many of=20 you that receive this letter it has been a long wait, I am sorry about = that and=20 I do appreciate your passions.
 Friday July 9th fellow world = motorcycle=20 traveler Frank Campbell left Seattle with his BMW F-650, bound for = Siberia. Both=20 Frank and I have the last year been working on the idea of taking a = group of=20 motorcyclists on a journey that no other tour operators can offer. Frank = even=20 went to China to negotiate a deal with the Chinese for our ride in that=20 country.
 In short we are in the final stages of realizing the = plans to=20 offer a journey that will literally take you around the world by=20 motorcycle.
 Not until Frank return from his scouting trip at = the end of=20 September will we be able to give you a detailed itinerary and exact = price for=20 this extraordinary motorcycle world tour. But already now after a year = of=20 research we have come up with a rough itinerary that looks something = like=20 this:
 Motorcycles has to be in Seattle no later than May 1st=20 2000
 Container with bikes is shipped to Japan.
 We fly = to Japan=20 around June 10th 2000
 Approximately 1 week of motorcycle riding = in=20 Japan.
 Ferry to China w/bikes.
 Approximately 2 weeks = of=20 motorcycle riding in China.
 We will enter Russia and Siberia = just East=20 of Lake Bajkal.
From there we will head due east for the Black=20 Sea.
 The tour ends in Munchen, Germany.
 To complete = the circle=20 you will have to cross the USA by your self or together with other = members of=20 the group.
 In other words Frank and I will be responsible to = get you=20 safely with your bike from Seattle to Munchen.
 Estimated time = from=20 Seattle to arrival in Munchen is 60 days. A rough estimate of the cost = of the=20 journey is US$ 15,000. -
 The cost will include shipping of bike = to=20 Japan, 60 nights of hotels, most meals, guides, chase vehicles, maps, = GPS=20 waypoints etc.
 We will limit the group to be about 15 = motorcycles.=20 First come first serve.
 Approximate length of journey will be = about=20 10,000 miles
 Most of the roads we will travel are surfaced = roads, but=20 we still recommend a GS style motorcycle for the difficult  =20 parts.
 Screening of participants will be = necessary. Not=20 so much for the ability to ride a bike, but very much for the ability to = endure=20 the magnitude of the journey.
 Take a minute and look at a map = and you=20 will see that we will travel through some of the most important = countries on=20 this earth, Japan, China, Russia, Europe and USA.
 What a great = way to=20 start the new Millennium, riding your own bike around the = world.
 This=20 letter has been written just hours after Frank left Seattle and if you = are=20 interested to receive updates from Frank's journey please write him at=20 flafrank@XXXXXX
 
 If you are interested in = signing=20 up or to be on a mailinglist to receive more information about the world = tour=20 please reply to this e-mail, helge@XXXXXX
 I = will in the=20 near future ad on an addition to www.globeriders.com where maps = and=20 pictures will inform you about the world tour. =
 
 Please feel=20 free to forward this e-mail to friends and = newsgroups.
 
 Have a=20 great summer!
 
 Sincerely
 
 Helge=20 Pedersen
 
 http://globeriders.com
 
 .&g= t;>=20 If you're not pushing your limits, you're not discovering anything new=20 <<
 
 

      = ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01BECC9A.410C2F20-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 20:36:49 1999 Return-Path: blasalle@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA08433 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 20:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bellatlantic.net (client-151-200-115-11.bellatlantic.net [151.200.115.11]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA24999 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 20:40:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <378A891C.899E8D7B@bellatlantic.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 20:32:29 -0400 From: Brian & Christa LaSalle Reply-To: blasalle@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Thanks Anita! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And Collin and everyone else who led, great ride Sunday! My first trip to Skyline Drive, but definitly not my last. Love those switchbacks!! I felt pretty fast until I came up on a stopping point and found Collin sitting in the shade, engine cooled, half asleep waiting.... Brian Yellow Nighthawk From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 21:02:34 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA08872 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 21:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user211.anent.com [208.195.115.211]) by netgate.anent.com (2.6 Build 1 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA00235 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 20:59:19 -0400 Message-ID: <063501becccb$6ad7af60$2473c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Frank W. w/ the BMW Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 21:02:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Please email me. I don't have your address. Thanks, Bruce List: sorry for the use of bandwidth! From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 21:21:48 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA09212 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 21:21:46 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA17012; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:26:22 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma014147; Mon, 12 Jul 99 11:19:02 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FER0022TJWWEF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:21:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567AC.005183E4 ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:50:21 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 11:13:37 -0400 Subject: A Close Call (was RE: Today's ride) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567AC.0053C8FE.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Well, I had my own "bad karma" on Sunday on route 688. Danny ('99 VFR800) and I were on our way back from Summit Point to Warrenton, and I was leading on the 688 section. We were both going pretty fast, and I was going (in retrospect) faster than my abilities could safely handle. I came up a hill and around a curve to the left. I misjudged the turn, thinking it was more of a sweeper than it was. The curve tightened up and I, in turn, leaned in more. I was seriously leaned over, more than I had ever been on that (or any) bike. Just as I was reaching maximum lean, the rear end broke loose and I prepared to dismount for a lowside. All of a sudden, the bike regained its composure and popped me back up into the saddle as if nothing had happened! No lowside, no tankslapper, no highside, no anything. I nearly filled my pants, but the bike simply shrugged and kept going. This instance really drove home to me the fact that my bike is much more accomplished than I am. There is nothing that I did to save myself and the bike from crashing. The bike simply decided to keep going despite my ham-handed attempts at riding it. I can't say if what happened would have just seemed normal to a really accomplished rider or if it was a really close call, but I was expecting to crash. Danny later told me that he didn't think the rear end slid (as was my first impression). He said the pavement I was riding on dropped off a bit in the middle of the lane, and that I came off of the raised portion just as I was leaned over really far. In any case, I feel very lucky that I got away with this warning about riding over my head rather than learning the expensive and painful way. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 p.s. The bike had OEM Dunlop D204s if anyone's curious. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 22:25:53 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA10201 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 22:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (209-122-220-232.s486.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.220.232]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA07421 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 22:25:49 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990712221649.009b8100@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 22:25:46 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: A Close Call (was RE: Today's ride) In-Reply-To: <852567AC.0053C8FE.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:13 AM 7/12/99 , christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: >Danny later told me that he didn't think the rear end slid (as was my first >impression). He said the pavement I was riding on dropped off a bit in the >middle of the lane, and that I came off of the raised portion just as I was >leaned over really far. In any case, I feel very lucky that I got away with >this warning about riding over my head rather than learning the expensive >and painful way. I forgot to mention this earlier. The first bit of road we were on Sunday (I have no idea of the routes) we were still in one big pack, and going a bit faster than I think I should have been. I am not very comfy with blind turns. I don;t mind serious lean angles, but it seems that whenever I have the opportunity to use them in a good twistie, I am afraid to go in at higher speed for fear of what I can't see and don't know about the road. I think that is a justified fear - but one that I am overcoming. Anyway, on the first section of road we rounded a similar corner, and I was in a similar sitation. I wasn't leaned over drastically, but enough that when the pavement dropped out a little on the corner, my whole bike skipped a couple of inches toward the outside of the curve. It scared the crap out of me, but kept going at speed. Shortly after, still catching my breath, I approached a downhill right turn and saw many brake lights in front of me. I was going full-on out of the last curve, so I had to grab a lot of brake to slow down. My whole front end shuddered violently. Guess I grabbed too much brake. In any case, Collin had good advice at the next stop. "If someone is riding up your ass, and you are at the edges of ytour skill level, fuck 'em...let them pass." I think in a group environment like that, it is easy to feel a bit of peer pressure to keep up. Think I will take Collin's words to heart. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 23:15:37 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA11036 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialas-39.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.39]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA01946 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:15:22 -0400 Message-ID: <026101beccdd$c9be8e60$cca4fccd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Fw: To Memorize: What NOT to reply to the nice officer Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:14:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 >From the Vulcan List -- Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Hmmm. Maybe a twist would show how sweet my sound! Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- >Hello [listers], >Today, for the third time in my entire motorcycle riding life, I get pulled >over by the police for something that probably 99% of all bikes here in MI >have- a loud aftermarket exhaust system. > >According to the police officer, the LOUD noise that the bike produces is >very offending (to who?). He asked me if it doesn't hurt my hearing, and I >said "WHAT?" That kinda ticked him off. He gave me a sharp look, next thing >I see is a ticket being handed to me. >Oh well........ > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 12 23:55:23 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA12471 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 95 (207-172-80-117.s54.as6.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.80.117]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id XAA12808 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <049701becce3$c2639060$7550accf@95> From: "D. Thompson" To: References: <852567AC.0053C8FE.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Subject: Re: A Close Call (was RE: Today's ride) etc..... Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:56:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I was watching from behind and I almost loaded my pants. From where I watched it looked like Chris was headed for a high side, but like he said the bike shifted, caught, lerched, righted and smoothed out. Chris might be being a little modest because many people would have instantly dumped the throttle, grabbed the front brake or worse gone hard on the rear break but Chris just rode it out and let the bike do what it is designed to do. Other than this one incident, the ride to Summit Pt. and back was very enjoyable. I was having trouble getting my corners set-up right and finally decided it was the new "mirrored / tinted" shield I just bought. It seemed to mess up my depth perception. When we were almost home, I finally had enough and switched back to my clear shield and it really seemed to make a difference. (Anyone want an almost new faceshield for a Shoei with the quick change shield system for a good deal?) Has anyone else had a change in shield mess with their depth perception or anything else that effected their riding? Maybe it is just in my head, but the clear made a difference for me. Congrats to Jeff on his 1st place finish in his one and only race this weekend. It was great to see Brian McCoy on his Viffer at the track and also it was nice of Collin to stop in and say high for the last race... (I didn't know John Deere made motorcycles right Louis?) The racing was great, except the start of race 11 had the worst wreck I have seen; at the end of the front straight a gixxer and rider did a couple or three wheel over wheels. The bike was totally trashed and the rider was taken away in an ambulance. He did get up on his feet for a moment, but I never heard how he was. It was really scary and I hope I don't see any like it soon. (Yeah, I want to race honey. No its really safe..... Seeing this kind of thing makes you sorta reconsider). On another note: Let's get the trip / travel plans to Mid Ohio firmed up a little more. Hugh Caldwell and I are meeting at the "Old Country Buffet" on Thursday and riding up. I think Brian N. is leaving early that morning (4 or 5 a.m.) in his cage to catch the amatuers in the afternoon. Who else in going? What time should we meet. Hugh has forwarded a route as suggested by John Kozyn but that is still open for input. If nothing else, we should plan a time and place to meet up on Friday or Saturday. Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 Chris wrote: > Well, I had my own "bad karma" on Sunday on route 688. > > Danny ('99 VFR800) and I were on our way back from Summit Point to > Warrenton, and I was leading on the 688 section. We were both going pretty > fast, and I was going (in retrospect) faster than my abilities could safely > handle. I came up a hill and around a curve to the left. I misjudged the > turn, thinking it was more of a sweeper than it was. The curve tightened up > and I, in turn, leaned in more. I was seriously leaned over, more than I > had ever been on that (or any) bike. Just as I was reaching maximum lean, > the rear end broke loose and I prepared to dismount for a lowside. All of a > sudden, the bike regained its composure and popped me back up into the > saddle as if nothing had happened! No lowside, no tankslapper, no highside, > no anything. I nearly filled my pants, but the bike simply shrugged and > kept going. > > This instance really drove home to me the fact that my bike is much more > accomplished than I am. There is nothing that I did to save myself and the > bike from crashing. The bike simply decided to keep going despite my > ham-handed attempts at riding it. I can't say if what happened would have > just seemed normal to a really accomplished rider or if it was a really > close call, but I was expecting to crash. > > Danny later told me that he didn't think the rear end slid (as was my first > impression). He said the pavement I was riding on dropped off a bit in the > middle of the lane, and that I came off of the raised portion just as I was > leaned over really far. In any case, I feel very lucky that I got away with > this warning about riding over my head rather than learning the expensive > and painful way. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > p.s. The bike had OEM Dunlop D204s if anyone's curious. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 00:17:29 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA12975 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 00:17:28 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id nLWKa21644 (4068); Tue, 13 Jul 1999 00:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <50368352.24bc16e1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 00:13:21 EDT Subject: Re: A Close Call (was RE: Today's ride) etc..... To: dthompso1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 In a message dated 7/13/1999 12:03:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dthompso1@XXXXXX writes: << Has anyone else had a change in shield mess with their depth perception or anything else that effected their riding? Maybe it is just in my head, but the clear made a difference for me. >> Nope. But, then again, I don't have any depth perception to begin with. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 06:50:16 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA19993 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 06:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA03637 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 06:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3NBGZL45>; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 06:54:37 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427D4F326@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Inspection question Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 06:54:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain My ratty looking '82 Seca just passed VA inspection last May after I restored it from disrepair. The Virginia gas station (NOT BIKE SHOP) checked the obvious SAFETY stuff, and without the conflict of interest the gas station has only the motive to make sure the bike is safe as opposed to the "oh, let's see if we can force this guy to buy a new bike by making him pay through the nose to get the bike to pass after rejection" type of thing. I used to believe that a bike shop would be the best place to get an inspection because of their expertise, but now I hesitate to burden my fellow man with such temptations. So, in summary, just take it to any "good ol' boy" type gas station where the people there understand the the bike just needs to be safe--not showroom perfect. Mike '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 07:06:07 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA20226 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA03667 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3NBGZLVA>; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:10:28 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427D4F327@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'DC-CYCLES'" Subject: RE: Sunday ride & bad motorscooter Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:10:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Recommend that you drain the carbs into a glass jar and check for particles. Also, you may want to go the chemical route--lots of carb cleaner. Just drain and ride--well at least the riding is fun. The carbs on my Seca only open some of the jets at 3/4 to full throttle which may relate to the fuel system problems on your bike, that is, fuel only can get by using the jets active at full throttle. If you have not done any work around the air box or carbs, and the rubber between the airbox and carbs is in pretty goot shape, then fuel crud is likely. I just went through this, and I found draining the carbs was an OK stop-gap measure until I could rebuild the carbs--but it's summer, so I loaded the gas with lots cleaner because I am not doing what for me would be major work until the riding season has passed. Mike '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 07:14:21 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA20304 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <3Y0SD9GA>; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 04:14:13 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Rain, Rain, Go Away Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 04:14:14 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Yup.. long about the time you get used to sliding the rear end (either on purpose on the street.. just as a course of riding in the dirt) Brian McCoy > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike T [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > the whole way home. I don;t really like cornering in the > rain yet....does > that uneasy pucker factor _ever_ go away? From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 07:28:44 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA20519 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA03724 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3NBGZLVN>; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:33:11 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427D4F329@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Northern Virginia Yuppies Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:33:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Who stands to gain at the dealership's loss? Mike 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 07:35:46 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA20672 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <3YAPDNH8>; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:33:10 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB0956@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Mark Petty'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Inspection question Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:35:02 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) If its any thing like my V30 Magna then all you have to do if remove the two bolts holding the headlight one, move it out of the way and then there are two cap nuts holding the instrument cluster in place. Remove those two nuts and the cluster show come right off. You might have to unscrew the speedo cable. Once the cluster is removed I think there are a few small Phillips head screws holding the back cover on the cluster. Remove those and you'll have instant access to the bulbs. If my memory serves me correctly they are very tiny bulbs that I could only find at the Honda dealer, looked like little "wheat bulbs". Do yourself a favor and replace all of them at once. Glenn >'83 V65 Magna, which apparently has a sealed instrument cluster, which >apparently costs several hundred to replace. The other thought is that I >might be able to fix this by cleaning the switch mechanism. How likely >is this? From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 08:00:56 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA21041 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <3YAPDN01>; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:58:21 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB095F@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bad towing stories Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:00:12 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I know a bunch of you guys are new on this list but there are several of "us" on the list including myself that will carry your bike for you for basically free. All I ask for is a six pack of good beer. And if you want to be generous you can buy me some pizza too. ;-) If you need a tow, give me a call. If I'm available, I'll help you out. Stay away from those damn tow truck drivers... IMO they are the biggest a**holes on the road. Glenn Home (703)658-4870 Mobile (703) 855-4870 >Just a word to the wise concerning towing companies. Unless you have dealt >with a particular company, and even a particular driver on more than one >occasion yourself, assume that all towing companies are less than admirable. >I kind of had an interesting perspective presented to me when I used to hang >out with a friend of mine who drove for several companies. Some companies are >great companies, but there are many individual drivers who are out & out >crooks. If you're ever having any towing done, and you have some time, do >some serious checking. It can save you A LOT of grief. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 08:20:28 1999 Return-Path: CBR600twt@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA21359 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:20:26 -0400 (EDT) From: CBR600twt@XXXXXX Received: from CBR600twt@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id kXWLa25615 (4530); Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:18:13 EDT Subject: Re: Thanks Anita! To: blasalle@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 I'll second that! Great route and great weather! Tom T. R1 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 08:23:33 1999 Return-Path: dreamer@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [209.48.224.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA21369 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [209.48.224.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA17300 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:23:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Dawn Gibson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bad towing stories In-Reply-To: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB095F@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I agree with Glenn. I have my own towing horror story. I also have a pickup truck. I'll be glad to help out. You'll need to provide your own muscle to get the bike on and off the truck though. Dawn '96 Virago 1100 Special, KnowMad On Tue, 13 Jul 1999, Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: > I know a bunch of you guys are new on this list but there are several of > "us" on the list including myself that will carry your bike for you for > basically free. All I ask for is a six pack of good beer. And if you want > to be generous you can buy me some pizza too. ;-) If you need a tow, give > me a call. If I'm available, I'll help you out. Stay away from those damn > tow truck drivers... IMO they are the biggest a**holes on the road. > > Glenn > Home (703)658-4870 > Mobile (703) 855-4870 > > > > >Just a word to the wise concerning towing companies. Unless you have dealt > >with a particular company, and even a particular driver on more than one > >occasion yourself, assume that all towing companies are less than > admirable. > >I kind of had an interesting perspective presented to me when I used to > hang > >out with a friend of mine who drove for several companies. Some companies > are > >great companies, but there are many individual drivers who are out & out > >crooks. If you're ever having any towing done, and you have some time, do > >some serious checking. It can save you A LOT of grief. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 08:35:56 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1102.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.122]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA21599 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990713123540.17939.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1102.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 05:35:40 PDT Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 05:35:40 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bad towing stories To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Has anyone used the AMA's MoTow service? What's your experience been with the companies they contract with? --- Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > Just a word to the wise concerning towing companies. > Unless you have dealt > with a particular company, and even a particular > driver on more than one > occasion yourself, assume that all towing companies > are less than admirable. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 08:57:49 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA22007 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA25538 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA29305 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:57:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140r1.ems.att.com ([135.65.202.58]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id IAA00744 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:57:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh3.ems.att.com by njb140r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id IAA00229; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:57:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh3.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <3ZLHMP0F>; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:57:36 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE01150480@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Carver, John M, BGM" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 210 lbs, 75 HP....hmmm...... Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:57:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain <> This is what I've been looking for . . .;-) It's a shame that 2 strokes went away, although smelly, I missed out on a whole other era of motorcycling. Now, if only I had a garage to keep it . . . . . John 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 09:01:51 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay03.mcit.com (omzrelay03.mcit.com [199.249.19.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22230 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38418) with ESMTP id <0FET001NJ81GPA@XXXXXX> for DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:58:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA30899; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:54:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.38.156.10]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990713125805.MCXO3540@toddnt>; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:58:05 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:56:30 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: (klr650) Around the World on Two Wheels 2000 In-reply-to: <003e01beccbb$c81dcf20$542caccf@oemcomputer> To: LindaT , HSTA , DC-CYCLES Message-id: <000201becd2f$20738070$0a9c26a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal I wonder why they consider Munich a full circuit. They conveniently left France and the UK off the list of important countries, and to me at least you've got to get to Great Britain to finish. Hmmm. Todd -----Original Message----- From: LindaT [mailto:ljtanner@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 7:11 PM To: HSTA; DC-CYCLES Subject: FW: (klr650) Around the World on Two Wheels 2000 Anyone got $15K and a coupla months off next year... Do you think my 250 would do? WOOHOO! LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (59K miles and counting...) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ X-From_: helge@XXXXXX Sat Jul 10 02:13:06 1999 Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 02:06:54 +0000 Subject: Around the World on Two Wheels 2000 From: "Helge Pedersen" To: Helge Pedersen Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Dear fellow motorcycle traveler. For many of you that receive this letter it has been a long wait, I am sorry about that and I do appreciate your passions. Friday July 9th fellow world motorcycle traveler Frank Campbell left Seattle with his BMW F-650, bound for Siberia. Both Frank and I have the last year been working on the idea of taking a group of motorcyclists on a journey that no other tour operators can offer. Frank even went to China to negotiate a deal with the Chinese for our ride in that country. In short we are in the final stages of realizing the plans to offer a journey that will literally take you around the world by motorcycle. Not until Frank return from his scouting trip at the end of September will we be able to give you a detailed itinerary and exact price for this extraordinary motorcycle world tour. But already now after a year of research we have come up with a rough itinerary that looks something like this: Motorcycles has to be in Seattle no later than May 1st 2000 Container with bikes is shipped to Japan. We fly to Japan around June 10th 2000 Approximately 1 week of motorcycle riding in Japan. Ferry to China w/bikes. Approximately 2 weeks of motorcycle riding in China. We will enter Russia and Siberia just East of Lake Bajkal. >From there we will head due east for the Black Sea. The tour ends in Munchen, Germany. To complete the circle you will have to cross the USA by your self or together with other members of the group. In other words Frank and I will be responsible to get you safely with your bike from Seattle to Munchen. Estimated time from Seattle to arrival in Munchen is 60 days. A rough estimate of the cost of the journey is US$ 15,000. - The cost will include shipping of bike to Japan, 60 nights of hotels, most meals, guides, chase vehicles, maps, GPS waypoints etc. We will limit the group to be about 15 motorcycles. First come first serve. Approximate length of journey will be about 10,000 miles Most of the roads we will travel are surfaced roads, but we still recommend a GS style motorcycle for the difficult parts. Screening of participants will be necessary. Not so much for the ability to ride a bike, but very much for the ability to endure the magnitude of the journey. Take a minute and look at a map and you will see that we will travel through some of the most important countries on this earth, Japan, China, Russia, Europe and USA. What a great way to start the new Millennium, riding your own bike around the world. This letter has been written just hours after Frank left Seattle and if you are interested to receive updates from Frank's journey please write him at flafrank@XXXXXX If you are interested in signing up or to be on a mailinglist to receive more information about the world tour please reply to this e-mail, helge@XXXXXX I will in the near future ad on an addition to www.globeriders.com where maps and pictures will inform you about the world tour. Please feel free to forward this e-mail to friends and newsgroups. Have a great summer! Sincerely Helge Pedersen http://globeriders.com .>> If you're not pushing your limits, you're not discovering anything new << From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 09:03:53 1999 Return-Path: Todd.Rist@XXXXXX Received: from alcsnmx1.nextel.com (unknown-197-226.nextel.com [167.20.197.226] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22284 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlntgw01.nextel.com (ATLNTGW01.nextel.com [168.73.94.142]) by alcsnmx1.nextel.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA24323 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ATLNTGW01.nextel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <35DYA1X2>; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:03:42 -0400 Message-ID: <375A82150521D311815B0008C791253E1CB19D@nhqntex01.nextel.com> From: "Rist, Todd" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bad towing stories Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:03:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ok I do not know about them but I will tell you that I have used Superior Towing (Adam Peake) and have nothing but great things to say about him. My Suzuki RF600 died on the beltway on my way to work one morning and I called Adam. he showed up with his flatbed towtruck and handled my bike with all the TLC you want. He hung around the cycle shop I had him tow me to, until they opened and then he was kind enough to give me a lift home (several miles away) for free. He has a disount deal with Cycle Accessory Discounters in Gaithersburg. The discount is not much but every little bit helps. His phone number is (301) 540-9100 Thank you, Todd 96 Suzuki RF600R 94 Honda Shadow VLX -----Original Message----- From: John Whiteside [mailto:johncx500@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 8:36 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bad towing stories Has anyone used the AMA's MoTow service? What's your experience been with the companies they contract with? --- Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > Just a word to the wise concerning towing companies. > Unless you have dealt > with a particular company, and even a particular > driver on more than one > occasion yourself, assume that all towing companies > are less than admirable. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 09:30:15 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA23267 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id GAA24095 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 13 Jul 1999 06:29:34 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 13 Jul 1999 06:29:34 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: A Close Call (was RE: Today's ride) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 06:29:31 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I am not very comfy with blind turns. I don;t mind serious lean angles, but it seems that whenever I have the opportunity to use them in a good twistie, I am afraid to go in at higher speed for fear of what I can't see and don't know about the road.<< This is called "Self-Preservation" - listen to this voice. >>In any case, Collin had good advice at the next stop. "If someone is riding up your ass, and you are at the edges of ytour skill level, fuck 'em...let them pass."<< One shouldn't pass in a group unless invited to by the person ahead. I try to keep an eye on the gap ahead of me and the gap behind - if I'm getting crowded from behind and I have a larger gap ahead, I'll signal the person behind me that it's OK to pass. I've enjoyed fast twisties and I've wadded bikes. I don't like wadding bikes (or myself, for that matter). A variation of Collin's advice is "Ride your own ride" Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 09:36:42 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23442 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:36:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA25758 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law-f189.hotmail.com [209.185.130.99]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA00316 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13977 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 1999 13:36:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19990713133631.13975.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.229.31.22 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 06:36:31 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.229.31.22] Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX From: "Leon Begeman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Rain, Rain, Go Away Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 06:36:31 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >At 05:40 PM 7/12/99 , Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: >I don;t really like cornering in the rain yet....does >that uneasy pucker factor _ever_ go away? > Yes. Riding on pavement in the rain isn't any harder than riding on dirt, and it's a lot easier than riding in the snow. I don't mind hot weather, but I'd rather ride in the rain when it's 70 degrees than in the 95+ temps we had last week. Leon. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 09:57:24 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA23807 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:57:22 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA11789; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:54:51 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma010601; Tue, 13 Jul 99 09:53:23 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FET00M1XAO3S3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567AD.0049C6E0 ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:25:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:50:32 -0400 Subject: Re: Sunday ride & bad motorscooter To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567AD.004C1A81.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Mind you, I'm no genius, but it sounds like a clogged jet. That would explain why it runs well at WFO but not at other throttle openings, wouldn't it? Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 Under slight acceleration (light throttle, changing from level flight to climb), the engine stutters and misses - this is steady, not intermittent. The more I load the engine, the worse the missing becomes... ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 10:01:20 1999 Return-Path: altaanc@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f211.hotmail.com [207.82.251.102]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA23900 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 43229 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 1999 14:00:47 -0000 Message-ID: <19990713140047.43228.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.122.229.189 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:00:47 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.122.229.189] From: "Altaan Choudhry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Parking in DC Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:00:47 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Does anybody from this list park their bike in DC on I & 20 st? Altaan Choudhry 9D6 FiZzeR _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 10:10:50 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24021 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:10:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.114]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA18225 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.16.2.37 by wodc7mr0.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgxrs09834; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:08:39 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 852567AD.004E6D21 ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:16:37 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Dysart Glenn B Mr SAM" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567AD.004E6BB3.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:07:52 -0400 Subject: RE: Bad towing stories Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I especially hate that guy from Frank's Towing in Arlington who always drives by me when I'm walking and asks me if I need a ride with a smarmy look on his face. Yeah, right. WHATEVER. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Dysart Glenn B Mr SAM" on 07/13/99 08:00:12 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: RE: Bad towing stories I know a bunch of you guys are new on this list but there are several of "us" on the list including myself that will carry your bike for you for basically free. All I ask for is a six pack of good beer. And if you want to be generous you can buy me some pizza too. ;-) If you need a tow, give me a call. If I'm available, I'll help you out. Stay away from those damn tow truck drivers... IMO they are the biggest a**holes on the road. Glenn Home (703)658-4870 Mobile (703) 855-4870 >Just a word to the wise concerning towing companies. Unless you have dealt >with a particular company, and even a particular driver on more than one >occasion yourself, assume that all towing companies are less than admirable. >I kind of had an interesting perspective presented to me when I used to hang >out with a friend of mine who drove for several companies. Some companies are >great companies, but there are many individual drivers who are out & out >crooks. If you're ever having any towing done, and you have some time, do >some serious checking. It can save you A LOT of grief. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 10:23:39 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24284 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:23:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2PITa17767 (4318); Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:16:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3900174.24bca431@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:16:17 EDT Subject: Metzler Tires To: cbr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Anyone know the URL for Metzler tire company? -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 10:26:41 1999 Return-Path: NickKaiho@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24305 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:26:40 -0400 (EDT) From: NickKaiho@XXXXXX Received: from NickKaiho@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2YFZa13291 (7987) for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:25:23 EDT Subject: bike stuff To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 18 I'm in the market for a ramp thing to load my bike into the back of my truck. I saw one once and it looked like it was built for that very purpose (vs the thing i'm using now) Anyone ever seen one of these things for sale ? If so, know where I could find one ? -Nick From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 11:04:07 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24973 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <3YAPDT03>; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:01:31 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB097C@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'NickKaiho@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: bike stuff Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:03:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I got a pair of folding ramps for my truck which each have 1000 lb. capacity. I only use one for loading the bike and they are super stable. Their best feature is the folding aspect IMO. Anyhow I got mine from Northern. Here is their page: http://www.northern-online.com/ Glenn >I'm in the market for a ramp thing to load my bike into the back of my truck. >I saw one once and it looked like it was built for that very purpose (vs the >thing i'm using now) >Anyone ever seen one of these things for sale ? If so, know where I could >find one ? From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 11:16:52 1999 Return-Path: DntDctr@XXXXXX Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com [207.46.181.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25238 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:16:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron - 153.35.91.24 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:15:54 -0700 Message-ID: <001c01becd42$4e4171c0$185b2399@micron> From: "Paul" To: Subject: Just an intro Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:13:46 -0400 Organization: Microsoft Corporation X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Hey all, Just subscribed to your list. I ride a 99 goldwing(granpas bike). Its really a great bike, and even fun in the twisties...Not as fast, but just as much fun..I'm interested in finding new riding friends. I live in Alexandria so if ya'll are planning a get together, shoot me an email..thanks and look forward to contributing to the list. Paul Grant Iron Butt Association Guardian Whale "Grab it when it comes, it may only come once." From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 11:23:48 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25347 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id LAA32572 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:23:44 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:23:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles Subject: Mid-Ohio Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thanks to the Internic's non-ability to update records, my domains have not been working for the last few days (My nameserver IPs changed). I'm leaving for mid-Ohio Thurs around noon. If it's going to pour down rain all day, I'm going to drive my truck instead of riding out... 440 miles in a rainstorm just isn't that much fun. We're staying at the Super8 in Mt. Vernon, OH. If it's nice weather, I may pay for camping and only use the motel room the first and last night. Anyone else going up on Thurs? Drop me a note. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 11:37:43 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25596 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:38:26 -0400 Message-Id: <199907131138.AA55771362@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "Paul" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Just an intro X-Mailer: From: "Paul" >Hey all, > Just subscribed to your list. I ride a 99 goldwing(granpas bike). > Its really a great bike, and even fun in the twisties... Hi Paul! Welcome! Not too many wingers on DC cycles, we are mostly a sportbike crowd, with some cruisers, and a few sport tourers. :) It's nice to see different types of bikes around here, though. Variety is the spice of life/all bikes are cool/yada, yada. A few of us are IBA members as well. It'll be nice to meet you someday. Regards, Dale (the Horkster) -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 12:02:58 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA26077 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Anita.dlt.com ([199.4.241.102]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA31942 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:03:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199907131603.MAA31942@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:03:27 -0400 Subject: VA to NY via PA Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Okay, this weekend is a first for me.. I'm going on a bike trip where the purpose is to just get somewhere, rather than ride on fun roads! I'll be heading up to NY (1 hour north of NYC) on Friday to visit family. Due to my extreme allergic reaction to riding on slab, I figure the best way to go is through PA (rather than 95 and the NJ Turnpike). My proposed route is as follows: Rte 15 to Gettysburg Rte 30 to York and then on to Lancaster Rte 222 to Reading and then on to Allentown A couple other roads to 209 through the Delaware Water Gap Then I'll pick up 84 and slab it the last 60 miles or so to my parent's house. The whole trip is about 340 miles. Anything dreadfully wrong with this route? I'm not looking for "twisties".. I mostly want to get to NY in one piece with my sanity intact. A side trip or two along the route would be cool, if anyone has any recommendations. Thanks and wish me luck! :-) Anita PS - My father's comment was "Are you *sure* you're going to ride your bike up all the way up here?" He rides an 80-ish CB650 but only a few miles to/from work in the nice weather. :-) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 12:17:09 1999 Return-Path: tracy.l.horstman@XXXXXX Received: from mailgw2a.lmco.com (mailgw2a.lmco.com [192.91.147.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA26332 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss03g01.ems.lmco.com (emss03g01.ems.lmco.com [141.240.4.144]) by mailgw2a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16561; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38888) id <0FET00901GWHPJ@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emss09m01.ems.lmco.com ([158.183.24.5]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38888) with ESMTP id <0FET007VIGW38T@XXXXXX>; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by emss09m01.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <3VX5NTHB>; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:12:26 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:08:59 -0400 From: "Horstman, Tracy L" Subject: RE: Just an intro To: "'Paul'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <338D0ADBA3E3D111BE170000F81E4D5A016560BB@EMSS09M05> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Paul & welcome - haven't been on list for sometime myself (I come and go depending on the workload) - I have a '99 Kawasaki Concours and am located in Dale City - Look forward to riding with you! Tracy Horstman '99 Kawasaki Concours - "Grape kNEe -HI" > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul [SMTP:DntDctr@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 11:14 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Just an intro > > Hey all, > Just subscribed to your list. I ride a 99 goldwing(granpas bike). Its > really a great bike, and even fun in the twisties...Not as fast, but just > as > much fun..I'm interested in finding new riding friends. I live in > Alexandria so if ya'll are planning a get together, shoot me an > email..thanks and look forward to contributing to the list. > Paul Grant > Iron Butt Association > Guardian Whale > "Grab it when it comes, it may only come once." > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 12:23:23 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA26446 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA27467 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA05073 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA09397; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:23:14 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990713121746.01a4b040@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:20:34 -0400 To: mrider@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: Rain, Rain, Go Away Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19990713133631.13975.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:36 AM 7/13/99 , Leon Begeman wrote: >Yes. Riding on pavement in the rain isn't any harder than riding on dirt, >and it's a lot easier than riding in the snow. I learned to ride in the dirt on a '79 Yamaha DT125. Never had any traction problems. Actually, on the street in the rain, I have never had any traction problems. But it is still in the front of my mind.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 13:27:14 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA27629 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 13:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 13:26:26 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 13:26:24 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:19:14 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Subject: A Close Call (was RE: Today's ride) -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Chris, Very instructive. This has happened to me a couple of times on the road, and more than that on the track. Voice of Panic: "Aaaaaaah! We're too hot! Prepare to eject!" Voice of Experience and Training: "Shut up and look through the exit, you idiot.!" Footpeg: "Ssskkkkrrrrrrr . . ." Tires: "Chill out, you sissy, we're not even on the edge yet." Me: "Whew." Moral of the story, your tires probably stick better than you think, and if you start looking for a place to crash, that's where you're going. Glad you kept it on 2. Joe >>> - 7/12/99 11:13 AM >>> Well, I had my own "bad karma" on Sunday on route 688. Danny ('99 VFR800) and I were on our way back from Summit Point to Warrenton, and I was leading on the 688 section. We were both going pretty fast, and I was going (in retrospect) faster than my abilities could safely handle. I came up a hill and around a curve to the left. I misjudged the turn, thinking it was more of a sweeper than it was. The curve tightened up and I, in turn, leaned in more. I was seriously leaned over, more than I had ever been on that (or any) bike. Just as I was reaching maximum lean, the rear end broke loose and I prepared to dismount for a lowside. All of a sudden, the bike regained its composure and popped me back up into the saddle as if nothing had happened! No lowside, no tankslapper, no highside, no anything. I nearly filled my pants, but the bike simply shrugged and kept going. This instance really drove home to me the fact that my bike is much more accomplished than I am. There is nothing that I did to save myself and the bike from crashing. The bike simply decided to keep going despite my ham-handed attempts at riding it. I can't say if what happened would have just seemed normal to a really accomplished rider or if it was a really close call, but I was expecting to crash. Danny later told me that he didn't think the rear end slid (as was my first impression). He said the pavement I was riding on dropped off a bit in the middle of the lane, and that I came off of the raised portion just as I was leaned over really far. In any case, I feel very lucky that I got away with this warning about riding over my head rather than learning the expensive and painful way. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 p.s. The bike had OEM Dunlop D204s if anyone's curious. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 14:09:03 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA28327 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal1.visa.com id LAA05939 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:07:25 -0700 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:07:25 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: A Close Call (was RE: Today's ride) -Reply Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:07:23 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >This instance really drove home to me the fact that my bike is much more >accomplished than I am. I once heard someone say that riding a late-model sportbike is like going to bed with an aerobics instructor... You're NEVER gonna be in as good a shape as she is ;-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 14:09:33 1999 Return-Path: fzr_mofo@XXXXXX Received: from pm02sm.pmm.cw.net (pm02sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.98.151]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28340 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr51-dialup193.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.62.198.71]) by PM02SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35316) with SMTP id <0FET007GMMEV8A@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:08:56 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:08:06 +0000 From: Jon Schumer Subject: Re: Metzler Tires To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <006b01becd39$222a9ac0$47c63ea6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3900174.24bca431@aol.com> > Anyone know the URL for Metzler tire company? -Sean Jordan http://www.metzeler.com/ Jon From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 14:24:24 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28681 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <3Y0SX0F0>; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:24:12 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Rain, Rain, Go Away Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:16:50 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > At 09:36 AM 7/13/99 , Leon Begeman wrote: > >Yes. Riding on pavement in the rain isn't any harder than > riding on dirt, > >and it's a lot easier than riding in the snow. Oh... snow/ice? That's a whole 'nother story if you're on the road. Then you need to shift to dirt-bike mentality (covering the rear brake, never the front as well as carry yourself differently). But all in all, so long as I don't have a car bearing down on me, it's not really that bad... Lean.. what's what the race-rep sounding John Deere bike? I was amazed to hear that thing infront of me with Collin on board coming back from Summit the other day.. though I was still at the track (I actually checked my mirrors for overtaking bikes..) Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 14:35:24 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28957 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA17303 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:35:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:35:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Rain, Rain, Go Away In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 13 Jul 1999, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > At 09:36 AM 7/13/99 , Leon Begeman wrote: > > >and it's a lot easier than riding in the snow. > > Oh... snow/ice? That's a whole 'nother story if you're on the road. Then > you need to shift to dirt-bike mentality (covering the rear brake, never the > front as well as carry yourself differently). But all in all, so long as I > don't have a car bearing down on me, it's not really that bad... Hmmm, unless there are hills and particularly a hill with your driveway on it... :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 15:18:46 1999 Return-Path: gixer_racer@XXXXXX Received: from send304.yahoomail.com (web304.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.186]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA29734 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 15:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990713191857.15142.rocketmail@send304.yahoomail.com> Received: from [141.212.194.161] by web304.yahoomail.com; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:18:57 PDT Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:18:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Loaner anyone To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To everyone that wrote back with an offer of a bike to ride this past weekend, I sincerely appreciate it!! There were so many offers that I'd be typing all day writing direct thank you's (with my Oklahoma Talking Disease and all ;-)) I ended up riding a John Deer all day Sunday ;-) It took me a while to find the motorcycle underneath all of Leon's gadget hookups, and that super tall windshield was sooo good at wind protection that I about fied behind it ;-) But all in all it was very fun and greatly appreciated. Thanks again everyone. I'll be back in that direction at the end of the month for the WERA national at Summit Point. Hopefully I'll keep the winning ways going for a while longer....So come on out and join the fun and have some cold refreshments on me!! Collin === Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 16:05:45 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00785 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 16:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id QAA01669 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 16:05:33 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 16:05:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: reston town center In-Reply-To: <201906231613.AA390332514@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Did you also notice that none of them seemed to be wearing wristbands? They were all hanging out in front of our pit for a while, and not one of them had a wristband on. Not quite sure how that would happen, since they put one on your arm at the gate when you pay to get in. :\ - Brian > Speaking of rival gangs. Those of you who visit > the club site on Yahoo may remember the "DC Sportbike Riders > Club" http://165.117.240.153/. Anyways about 20-30 of them > showed up at Summit Point on Saturday and where sitting > behind me in the bleachers. To my surprise they where all > wearing leathers and seemed like a pretty congenial group > of guys. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 16:43:27 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA01454 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 16:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FET008LLTGQ0X@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:41:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA19043; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:40:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.38.156.10]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990713204113.TEAD3540@toddnt>; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:41:13 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 16:39:35 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: reston town center In-reply-to: To: Brian Roach , dc-cycles Message-id: <000f01becd6f$d1c7d1b0$0a9c26a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Not necessarily. I work up there on occassion and have had the guy just hand me the wristband. Other times I've simply asked that they not put it on me. Todd > > > Did you also notice that none of them seemed to be wearing wristbands? > > They were all hanging out in front of our pit for a while, and not one of > them had a wristband on. Not quite sure how that would happen, since they > put one on your arm at the gate when you pay to get in. :\ > > - Brian > > > Speaking of rival gangs. Those of you who visit > > the club site on Yahoo may remember the "DC Sportbike Riders > > Club" http://165.117.240.153/. Anyways about 20-30 of them > > showed up at Summit Point on Saturday and where sitting > > behind me in the bleachers. To my surprise they where all > > wearing leathers and seemed like a pretty congenial group > > of guys. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 17:21:56 1999 Return-Path: fwegerich@XXXXXX Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA02171 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:21:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (ip34.leesburg4.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.171.34]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17591 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:21:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <378BAEAD.6EE7AF36@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:25:01 -0400 From: Frank Wegerich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Bike trailer References: <000f01becd6f$d1c7d1b0$0a9c26a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know where I can rent a car trailer to carry a motorcycle. I just need it for a couple of days beginning of August. Does anyone have recommendations or experience with carrying a bike on a trailer? Yes, I would rather drive the bike but I am not sure I my wife would survife a 8-9 hour ride to "Hilton Head". Any ideas .... ? (-: Thanks Frank From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 17:32:47 1999 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA02402 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA18708; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 16:31:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv11-19.ix.netcom.com(199.35.94.19) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma018683; Tue Jul 13 16:31:07 1999 Message-ID: <009801becd76$c581b680$135e23c7@w98sysrec> From: "Ken" To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, References: <199907131603.MAA31942@radagast.wizard.net> Subject: Re: VA to NY via PA Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:29:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Anita, if you are going to be heading up there anywhere around rush = hour, avoid Rt 30 through York like the plague, its a mini version of = the beltway at Springfield. Rt 83 was a mess from construction a few = weeks ago also. Ken S. ICQ# 32289311 HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 12:03 PM Subject: VA to NY via PA > Okay, this weekend is a first for me.. I'm going on a bike trip where=20 > the purpose is to just get somewhere, rather than ride on fun roads!=20 > I'll be heading up to NY (1 hour north of NYC) on Friday to visit=20 > family. Due to my extreme allergic reaction to riding on slab, I=20 > figure the best way to go is through PA (rather than 95 and the NJ=20 > Turnpike). =20 >=20 > My proposed route is as follows: > Rte 15 to Gettysburg > Rte 30 to York and then on to Lancaster > Rte 222 to Reading and then on to Allentown > A couple other roads to 209 through the Delaware Water Gap > Then I'll pick up 84 and slab it the last 60 miles or so to my=20 > parent's house. The whole trip is about 340 miles. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 17:57:12 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA02881 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id RAA01921; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:56:59 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:56:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: Frank Wegerich cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Bike trailer In-Reply-To: <378BAEAD.6EE7AF36@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 13 Jul 1999, Frank Wegerich wrote: > Does anyone know where I can rent a car trailer to carry a motorcycle. I just > need it for a couple of days beginning of August. > Does anyone have recommendations or experience with carrying a bike on a > trailer? Yes, I would rather drive the bike but I am not sure I my wife would > survife a 8-9 hour ride to "Hilton Head". U-Haul, $15 a day :) Works like a champ. Just needa couple tie-downs. I actually rented one of the larger ones 2 weekends ago, I think it was about $25 a day with insurance, but it let Jeff and I take both our bikes and an RS125 to Ohio for WERA. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 18:02:34 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA03025 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:02:33 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2TFAa05091 (4233) for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:01:27 EDT Subject: OFF-TOPIC: POP3 and SMTP w/AOL ???? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 any of you computer savvy people know of a good ISP for a graphic designer (fast, can handle up&download of large files etc)? AOL sux. :D Their proprietary email software doesn't allow me to use my own websites email address! I.E. AOL tech support says they have no SMTP server address to give me for me to be able to use my POP3 account through AOL... alternatively....anybody know a way around this problem? Thanks. Marcy From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 19:02:25 1999 Return-Path: F4Rider@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA04339 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id TAA15202 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id TAA15194 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id TAA24532; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bc41466 ([172.16.4.164]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id TAA24528; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990713185919.0125d300@ns2.pgcc.net> X-Sender: brad@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:59:19 -0400 To: Brian Roach , dc-cycles From: Brad Subject: Re: DC Sportbike Riders (was: reston town center) In-Reply-To: References: <201906231613.AA390332514@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:05 PM 7/13/99 -0400, Brian Roach wrote: > >Did you also notice that none of them seemed to be wearing wristbands? > >They were all hanging out in front of our pit for a while What cracked me up was how about 70% of them popped the seat cowles, and pulled out polishing rags, cleaner, etc., then proceeded to wipe down every smudge on their bikes. One guy took the whole time he was there to spiff up his bike, then proceeded to head home! Oh, and the guy hanging of his bike, doing 50 mph down the access road while going STRAIGHT was pretty amusing too. Brad From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 21:42:07 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA07394 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA10311; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:42:03 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990713214031.01875ee0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:42:00 -0400 To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC: POP3 and SMTP w/AOL ???? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:01 PM 7/13/99 , JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >any of you computer savvy people know of a good ISP for a graphic designer >(fast, can handle up&download of large files etc)? AOL sux. :D Their >proprietary email software doesn't allow me to use my own websites email >address! I.E. AOL tech support says they have no SMTP server address to give >me for me to be able to use my POP3 account through AOL... > >alternatively....anybody know a way around this problem? According to AOL - there is no way around. Get an Erols account (cheap and reliable for me so far). Stay the Hell away from Mindspring (IMO). IBNC.COM is a good one too - tell them I sent you and you should get a good discount ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org The author will not be held responsible for anything he says. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 22:50:08 1999 Return-Path: JimJacks@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA08592 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:50:06 -0400 (EDT) From: JimJacks@XXXXXX Received: from JimJacks@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id vDVCa06803 (14459) for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <66faa7e9.24bd54a3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:49:07 EDT Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/13/99 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 wow...that was ...the best list posting (whatever you call it) yet! (ok, I NEED to learn to take the good with the bad!) Much more informatiion and mature stuff, much less gizmo gadget competition! COOL! Subjective opinion of course, but I would hate to be ONLY sarchastic! The karma and actual riding info ( not "cages suck" ((dont we all have cages too?)) but riding INFO...was great! I agree on karma, and I learned something on that cornering and tire skipping topic, and I loved thinking about a world tour (for about a minute). OK, so I am usually a sarchastic dick, at least I HATE FRANKS TOWING! (they impounded my truck once, and I used to be a wrecker driver in Arlington) Plus, with all of my subtle? sarchasm, you all NEVER once sent me any hate mail! (probably you just ignored me, good call) So....THANKS! My respect for Collin is growing with each succinct and non pretentious message I see here from him. oh yea...my cop stories! ( I ride with others not on the list frequently) 1) to seneca rocks wv rout 55 way out, wv state trooper clocked me in front at 69 (coasted down from 140) bike #2 at 70 (from a reported 120) and bike #3 at 90 passing bike #2 (legally except for speed- down from 125)...wrote the Blackbird for 70 in a 55 (not 90) and didnt lecture, only said be carefull and let the other two (including me!) go. Cops can be cool. 2) (the next weekend) bike 2 from above finally passes me on 7 east heading into leesburg after following me all day, clocked (Loudoun County) at 82 in a 55 (wreckless), cop asks about belief in god, small lecture, but in the end no paper and "be carefull". cops can be cool (#2) So far they have been REALLY cool with me as I have yet to get cranked on my bike, lol) I know they can suck too, but hey! I call em as I see em. Also after Rob "swamp thing" slid out in front of me, and I had my own near miss at a light, I am a BIG believer in caution (140 was an anonaly on a LONG straight "safe" stretch) and karma. K, tell me to shut up anytime, I usually keep to myself, maybe you can see why! thnaks again -jim - zx11 (now starts just fine ((if anyone remembers my starter grinding))-always a much better bike than I am a rider) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 23:20:02 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA09085 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA01701 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA28565 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (209-122-199-142.s396.tnt4.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.199.142]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA10438 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:19:51 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990713231644.00ad92f0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:19:36 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Awesome Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have scanned this for viruses, it is clean. Pretty much every bar in the area and their happy hour specials. ftp://ftp.wheatintl.com/incoming/dc-cycles/HAPPYHOU.DOC Enjoy..... ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 23:47:49 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA09497 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (209-122-246-218.s599.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.246.218]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA05137; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:47:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kirt Senser" To: , , Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/13/99 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:45:57 -0000 Message-ID: <01becd89$da7b9b60$daf67ad1@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 I had an interesting run in with a very cool cop two weeks ago. I went to see a band that my friend is in, they were playing in Warrenton, Va. He apparently gave me wrong directions to the show, and after stopping to try and get directions (and flirting too, the girl was *really* cute), I said "screw it" and started to head home. About a mile south of 66, I stopped to get gas. As I was finishing up, a 900RR rolled by. I hopped on ,and proceeded to catch up. I caught up to him at about 85 on 66E about 1/2 mile after getting on the highway. I pulled up next to him and waved, he waved back, and then kinda nodded his head down the rode. I nodded back, dropped into 3rd, and took off. He was (obviously) right on my ass, and since traffic was light, we got up to some serious speeds pretty quickly. He pulled around me after about 5-6 miles, and took the lead. At this point, I tucked into his draft, and reached an *indicated* 163. We came upon some traffic about a half mile later, and both slowed down into the 80mph range (about the flow of traffic, maybe a little faster). We rode at this speed all the way through the Centreville area, sped up between route 50, and the exit for nutley street, and then slowed again into the 80s. Right after nutley st. I see the blue and reds flashing off cars around us. I check my mirrors, and low and behold, unmarked fairfax county cop about 15 ft. behind me. he pulls between the two of us, and we pull to the shoulder. After a minute or so, he gets out, comes back and talks to both of us. He had been pacing us since nutley st. and said we were weaving in and out of traffic (not really). he took our licenses (didn't ask for registration though), looked at them and asked us if he went back to the car and ran them through his computer, would he run into any trouble. I've been good for a while, and apparently so was the 900RR rider. The cop then hands us back our licenses, and says something along the lines of "it's a nice night, you guys have nice bikes, but you need to be careful around here...these people are crazy drivers. slow it down, and have a good night." I almost crapped my pants. I couldn't believe it (thank god he didn't see us doing however fast we were doing before. Now that I've got my top speed fix, I've been behaving a lot more. Except for the occasional wheelie now and then. Hehe... So, anyone know how fast these 600F3s really go? The speedo said 163, but I know they aren't acurate that high up. I was at about 12.5K RPM (still short of the redline by about a 1000), and it was like the world was standing still. Anyways, cheers to good natured cops (there are a few out there), and luck kick ass when it goes your way. Hobbes 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va -----Original Message----- From: JimJacks@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 2:57 AM Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/13/99 >wow...that was ...the best list posting (whatever you call it) yet! (ok, I >NEED to learn to take the good with the bad!) Much more informatiion and >mature stuff, much less gizmo gadget competition! COOL! Subjective opinion of >course, but I would hate to be ONLY sarchastic! >The karma and actual riding info ( not "cages suck" ((dont we all have cages >too?)) but riding INFO...was great! >I agree on karma, and I learned something on that cornering and tire skipping >topic, and I loved thinking about a world tour (for about a minute). > OK, so I am usually a sarchastic dick, at least I HATE FRANKS TOWING! (they >impounded my truck once, and I used to be a wrecker driver in Arlington) >Plus, with all of my subtle? sarchasm, you all NEVER once sent me any hate >mail! (probably you just ignored me, good call) >So....THANKS! >My respect for Collin is growing with each succinct and non pretentious >message I see here from him. >oh yea...my cop stories! ( I ride with others not on the list frequently) >1) to seneca rocks wv rout 55 way out, wv state trooper clocked me in front >at 69 (coasted down from 140) bike #2 at 70 (from a reported 120) and bike #3 >at 90 passing bike #2 (legally except for speed- down from 125)...wrote the >Blackbird for 70 in a 55 (not 90) and didnt lecture, only said be carefull >and let the other two (including me!) go. Cops can be cool. >2) (the next weekend) bike 2 from above finally passes me on 7 east heading >into leesburg after following me all day, clocked (Loudoun County) at 82 in a >55 (wreckless), cop asks about belief in god, small lecture, but in the end >no paper and "be carefull". >cops can be cool (#2) >So far they have been REALLY cool with me as I have yet to get cranked on my >bike, lol) I know they can suck too, but hey! I call em as I see em. Also >after Rob "swamp thing" slid out in front of me, and I had my own near miss >at a light, I am a BIG believer in caution (140 was an anonaly on a LONG >straight "safe" stretch) and karma. >K, tell me to shut up anytime, I usually keep to myself, maybe you can see >why! >thnaks again >-jim - zx11 (now starts just fine ((if anyone remembers my starter >grinding))-always a much better bike than I am a rider) > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 13 23:47:52 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA09499 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (209-122-246-218.s599.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.246.218]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA05137; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:47:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kirt Senser" To: , , Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/13/99 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:45:57 -0000 Message-ID: <01becd89$da7b9b60$daf67ad1@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 I had an interesting run in with a very cool cop two weeks ago. I went to see a band that my friend is in, they were playing in Warrenton, Va. He apparently gave me wrong directions to the show, and after stopping to try and get directions (and flirting too, the girl was *really* cute), I said "screw it" and started to head home. About a mile south of 66, I stopped to get gas. As I was finishing up, a 900RR rolled by. I hopped on ,and proceeded to catch up. I caught up to him at about 85 on 66E about 1/2 mile after getting on the highway. I pulled up next to him and waved, he waved back, and then kinda nodded his head down the rode. I nodded back, dropped into 3rd, and took off. He was (obviously) right on my ass, and since traffic was light, we got up to some serious speeds pretty quickly. He pulled around me after about 5-6 miles, and took the lead. At this point, I tucked into his draft, and reached an *indicated* 163. We came upon some traffic about a half mile later, and both slowed down into the 80mph range (about the flow of traffic, maybe a little faster). We rode at this speed all the way through the Centreville area, sped up between route 50, and the exit for nutley street, and then slowed again into the 80s. Right after nutley st. I see the blue and reds flashing off cars around us. I check my mirrors, and low and behold, unmarked fairfax county cop about 15 ft. behind me. he pulls between the two of us, and we pull to the shoulder. After a minute or so, he gets out, comes back and talks to both of us. He had been pacing us since nutley st. and said we were weaving in and out of traffic (not really). he took our licenses (didn't ask for registration though), looked at them and asked us if he went back to the car and ran them through his computer, would he run into any trouble. I've been good for a while, and apparently so was the 900RR rider. The cop then hands us back our licenses, and says something along the lines of "it's a nice night, you guys have nice bikes, but you need to be careful around here...these people are crazy drivers. slow it down, and have a good night." I almost crapped my pants. I couldn't believe it (thank god he didn't see us doing however fast we were doing before. Now that I've got my top speed fix, I've been behaving a lot more. Except for the occasional wheelie now and then. Hehe... So, anyone know how fast these 600F3s really go? The speedo said 163, but I know they aren't acurate that high up. I was at about 12.5K RPM (still short of the redline by about a 1000), and it was like the world was standing still. Anyways, cheers to good natured cops (there are a few out there), and luck kick ass when it goes your way. Hobbes 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va -----Original Message----- From: JimJacks@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 2:57 AM Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/13/99 >wow...that was ...the best list posting (whatever you call it) yet! (ok, I >NEED to learn to take the good with the bad!) Much more informatiion and >mature stuff, much less gizmo gadget competition! COOL! Subjective opinion of >course, but I would hate to be ONLY sarchastic! >The karma and actual riding info ( not "cages suck" ((dont we all have cages >too?)) but riding INFO...was great! >I agree on karma, and I learned something on that cornering and tire skipping >topic, and I loved thinking about a world tour (for about a minute). > OK, so I am usually a sarchastic dick, at least I HATE FRANKS TOWING! (they >impounded my truck once, and I used to be a wrecker driver in Arlington) >Plus, with all of my subtle? sarchasm, you all NEVER once sent me any hate >mail! (probably you just ignored me, good call) >So....THANKS! >My respect for Collin is growing with each succinct and non pretentious >message I see here from him. >oh yea...my cop stories! ( I ride with others not on the list frequently) >1) to seneca rocks wv rout 55 way out, wv state trooper clocked me in front >at 69 (coasted down from 140) bike #2 at 70 (from a reported 120) and bike #3 >at 90 passing bike #2 (legally except for speed- down from 125)...wrote the >Blackbird for 70 in a 55 (not 90) and didnt lecture, only said be carefull >and let the other two (including me!) go. Cops can be cool. >2) (the next weekend) bike 2 from above finally passes me on 7 east heading >into leesburg after following me all day, clocked (Loudoun County) at 82 in a >55 (wreckless), cop asks about belief in god, small lecture, but in the end >no paper and "be carefull". >cops can be cool (#2) >So far they have been REALLY cool with me as I have yet to get cranked on my >bike, lol) I know they can suck too, but hey! I call em as I see em. Also >after Rob "swamp thing" slid out in front of me, and I had my own near miss >at a light, I am a BIG believer in caution (140 was an anonaly on a LONG >straight "safe" stretch) and karma. >K, tell me to shut up anytime, I usually keep to myself, maybe you can see >why! >thnaks again >-jim - zx11 (now starts just fine ((if anyone remembers my starter >grinding))-always a much better bike than I am a rider) > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 00:16:12 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm01sm.pmm.cw.net (pm01sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.98.150]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA10158 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:16:09 -0400 (EDT) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr51-dialup190.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.62.198.68]) by PM01SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35315) with SMTP id <0FEU001ZOEHVQK@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 04:15:32 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:14:42 +0000 Subject: Re: DC Sportbike Riders (was: reston town center) To: Brad , Brian Roach , dc-cycles Message-id: <008f01becd8d$dfb4bf40$44c63ea6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <201906231613.AA390332514@tidalwave.net> <3.0.6.32.19990713185919.0125d300@XXXXXX> > What cracked me up was how about 70% of them popped the seat cowles, and > pulled out polishing rags, cleaner, etc., then proceeded to wipe down every > smudge on their bikes. One guy took the whole time he was there to spiff up > his bike, then proceeded to head home! Oh, and the guy hanging of his bike, > doing 50 mph down the access road while going STRAIGHT was pretty amusing too. > Brad Those are the same guys that hang out at Haines Point and drag race between lights and do top end runs up 295 all night. If you want to see something funny, read their message board at: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcsportbikeriders I read it everyday for a laugh or 3. Slab racers all the way. They just took a ride up to Skyline and had total carnage. Let's just say they had a 1:4 ratio of downed bikes to upright ones. Jon From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 00:36:14 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA10682 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 95 (207-172-80-117.s54.as6.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.80.117]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id AAA27678 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <05c601becdb2$aa1f3fc0$7550accf@95> From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: test Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:38:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 please respond if you read this e-mail, in private so as to save bandwidth. A simple "yes" is fine. Thank you, Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 00:37:41 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA10685 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 95 (207-172-80-117.s54.as6.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.80.117]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id AAA28397 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <05ce01becdb2$de790b20$7550accf@95> From: "Danny Thompson" To: Subject: test Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:39:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 please respond to this e-mail if you recieve it. you can respond directly (dthompso1@XXXXXX) to save bandwidth. Thank you, Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 00:44:03 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA10804 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 95 (207-172-80-117.s54.as6.war.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.80.117]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id AAA02444; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <05e801becdb3$c218d540$7550accf@95> From: "Danny Thompson" To: , Subject: av gas Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:45:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 What is the lists concensus on using 100 low lead aviation gas (av gas) in a '99 VFR? Will it damage it? Improve/hurt performance? I recently got a part-time job at a local small time airport and have ready access to av gas as a good price. Thanks in advance, (and no I don't want to start a gas war :)) Danny '99 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 01:42:01 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA11770 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 01:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.159]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 01:36:56 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Danny Thompson" , Subject: RE: av gas Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 01:38:01 -0400 Message-ID: <000701becdbb$098d82c0$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <05e801becdb3$c218d540$7550accf@95> Importance: Normal First, make sure you are talking about the right octane number. If memory serves, Hot Rod magazine mentioned a few years back that av gas only lists the research number. If you look at that number for pump gas (like at Exxon) it will generally be higher than the printed R+M/2 number. IOW... At Exxon (Sheetz, Texaco, etc.) hi test seems to be about 91 octane. That's R+M/2 (err... (R+M)/2 actually:) For arguments sake, let's say the R part is 95, the M part is 87. Since the av gas only uses the R part (not the average of the two) you are not gaining as much octane rating as you thought. That is the first point. Second point is this: if it ain't pinging, ignore it. The octane rating is there to serve as an indicator of resistance to pinging. Higher octane gases actually have a lower energy content (can't remember the chemistry/physics of it, but trust me on this one). What it does is allow you to run different timing and different compression ratios. If your engine is stock, you'll gain NOTHING from running AV gas. Honda has a few good engineers (or so I'm told) who know a thing or two about gas. If there was a problem running your bike on commonly available US gas, they wouldn't have sold it to you. Now, if you do have a modified engine... You need to go back and look at how the octane rating is derived for AV gas. Given what might be a small increase in rating, you might be better off with some octane boost from Pep Boys or some such. Summary: Stock engine: don't bother. Modified engine: probably don't bother. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 07:03:41 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA17811 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA03722 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA06654 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA13342 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust038.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.38]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA11951 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:04:14 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990714065809.006a8b64@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 06:58:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: How to measure top speed. In-Reply-To: <01becd89$da7b9b60$daf67ad1@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:45 PM 7/13/99 -0000, Kirt Senser wrote: >So, anyone know how fast these 600F3s really go? The speedo said 163, but I >know they aren't acurate that high up. There are several ways to get an accurate indication of top speed. The one that requires the least additional equipment is to use the lower gears and a stop watch and build a table of the actual speeds and indicated RPM on the tach. For example, ride a mile in 3rd at 5000, 7000, 9000 etc. and record the time (Speed = 3600/time). Then you can use the transmission ratios to scale the speed up when you ride in 5th or 6th. If you want to do this, I can make a spreadsheet that you would just fill in the blanks and get your answers. A second method is to track the bike with a GPS. GPS is accurate to within about 3 mph, but it takes a few seconds to catch up to your actual speed. The Garmin models hold the top speed attained, Lowrance/Eagle doesn't, but the plot trail from either can be used to track it anyway. The most accurate method and the one that is easiest to repeat is to buy a cyclometer. REI might still have the BC1100 on sale for $20, it will track your speed up to 200+mph. The accuracy on these is within 0.1% and the response time is about 1/2 second. The guys on the Long Distance list state that for best accuracy, you have to recalibrate as your tire wears down. It will take an hour or two to install, and most don't have a back light so you can't see it at night. Most of these also save the highest indicated speed. Leon. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 07:49:16 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from alms1.fw.att.com (alms1.att.com [192.128.167.146]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA18539 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140r1.ems.att.com ([135.65.202.58]) by alms1.fw.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id HAA07016 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh1.ems.att.com by njb140r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id HAA29070; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh1.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <366TN3V3>; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:48:41 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE3B5586@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Crishock, Richard M, BGM" To: "'DCC'" Subject: Motor Ass Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:48:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain thought you all might get a kick out of this one... Is that a DC Cycles Racing T-shirt he's wearing? http://www.los.com/bsa/motorass.jpg Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville '99 Enfield Bullet Sterling From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 08:32:54 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f131.hotmail.com [209.185.131.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA19377 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 36839 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 1999 12:32:20 -0000 Message-ID: <19990714123220.36838.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.229.31.22 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 05:32:19 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.229.31.22] Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX From: "Leon Begeman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Speeding ticket Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 05:32:19 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed At about 7:45 this morning I got a reckless/speeding ticket on the HOV lanes in Fairfax County. There was a guy on a green and white Kawasaki ZX-7 that saw what happened. He was wearing matching leathers. Is that person on the list? Does anyone know who he might be? I'd like to ask a couple of questions so I can figure out 1) what happened and 2) how fast did he see me go? The officer said he paced me, but I don't see how he could have gotten an accurate speed based on what I saw. He gave me the ticket for 80 in a 55, I'm quite certain that I wasn't going that fast. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 08:45:28 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA20070 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:45:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 14 Jul 1999 15:44:42 UT Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 8:44 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dthompso1@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:RE: av gas Message-ID: <19990714084530295-13966d32@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Good reply there George! I couldn't have said it better myself (when I first saw the post I was like... OOOOH OOOOH OOOOH.... I know this!!!). Anyway... AV Gas is a thing of the past... a MAJOR thing of the past. Honda recommends 87 octane even with the hi-comp engines... 91-94 couldn't hurt though with heat around here (I always run hi-octane... just my preference). Folks were running AV Gas back in the day when hi-octane fuels were not available to the general public. Now, for the folks that have to have hi-octane that is unavailable at the pump, try a local speed shop. C&C Performance in Manassas, and Calhoun Speed Enterprises in Alexandria booth carry hi-octane fuels for "non-highway use" vehicles. You can't put it in a registered automobile (unless you really know the folks) so bring a few gas cans or a 55 gal drum. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: RE: av gas Author: ghowell@XXXXXX (George Howell) Date: 7/14/99 1:38 AM First, make sure you are talking about the right octane number. If memory serves, Hot Rod magazine mentioned a few years back that av gas only lists the research number. If you look at that number for pump gas (like at Exxon) it will generally be higher than the printed R+M/2 number. IOW... At Exxon (Sheetz, Texaco, etc.) hi test seems to be about 91 octane. That's R+M/2 (err... (R+M)/2 actually:) For arguments sake, let's say the R part is 95, the M part is 87. Since the av gas only uses the R part (not the average of the two) you are not gaining as much octane rating as you thought. That is the first point. Second point is this: if it ain't pinging, ignore it. The octane rating is there to serve as an indicator of resistance to pinging. Higher octane gases actually have a lower energy content (can't remember the chemistry/physics of it, but trust me on this one). What it does is allow you to run different timing and different compression ratios. If your engine is stock, you'll gain NOTHING from running AV gas. Honda has a few good engineers (or so I'm told) who know a thing or two about gas. If there was a problem running your bike on commonly available US gas, they wouldn't have sold it to you. Now, if you do have a modified engine... You need to go back and look at how the octane rating is derived for AV gas. Given what might be a small increase in rating, you might be better off with some octane boost from Pep Boys or some such. Summary: Stock engine: don't bother. Modified engine: probably don't bother. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 09:07:18 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA20582 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:07:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FEV000C831V8X@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:05:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA24883; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:06:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.38.156.10]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990714130549.SQYU23218@toddnt>; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:05:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:04:02 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Speeding ticket In-reply-to: <19990714123220.36838.qmail@hotmail.com> To: mrider@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000501becdf9$585c0910$0a9c26a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal What were the traffic conditions Leon. That time of morning there is usually a LOT of traffic. Seems dubious that anyone could pace anyone else in all that traffic. The fact that he gave you 80/55 (threshold for reckless in VA) indicates he may be biased. And the fact that he ignored all those out of and in-state cops using the HOV lanes without an HOV is the most F-ing hypocritical bunch of fraternal horse-shit in this F-d up area. All the recent talk about how "some" cops are cool is bull-shit. I've never had a good experience even when I played goody-innocent You need to fight this and to do it you need to attack the cops credibility. Here are a couple of good pages for help: http://www.motorists.org/ http://www.radar.org/ http://www.speedtrap.com/ > > At about 7:45 this morning I got a reckless/speeding ticket on > the HOV lanes > in Fairfax County. > > There was a guy on a green and white Kawasaki ZX-7 that saw what > happened. > He was wearing matching leathers. Is that person on the list? > Does anyone > know who he might be? I'd like to ask a couple of questions so I > can figure > out 1) what happened and 2) how fast did he see me go? > > The officer said he paced me, but I don't see how he could have gotten an > accurate speed based on what I saw. He gave me the ticket for 80 > in a 55, > I'm quite certain that I wasn't going that fast. > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 09:16:32 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.114]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA20887 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:16:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by wodc7mr0.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgxvh07081; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:15:48 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 852567AE.00499AD6 ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:23:57 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX cc: Brad , Brian Roach , dc-cycles Message-ID: <852567AE.004998A6.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:14:52 -0400 Subject: Re: DC Sportbike Riders (was: reston town center) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I wasn't going to say anything, but I read their messages too and now I can't resist... It was pretty comical how THREE riders went down this weekend... then the guy was like, "god saved me..." blah blah blah Whatever. Learn to ride. One guy responded with, "Leave the twisties to the real riders." LOL - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 dawn.jon@XXXXXX on 07/13/99 08:14:42 PM To: Brad , Brian Roach , dc-cycles cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Re: DC Sportbike Riders (was: reston town center) > What cracked me up was how about 70% of them popped the seat cowles, and > pulled out polishing rags, cleaner, etc., then proceeded to wipe down every > smudge on their bikes. One guy took the whole time he was there to spiff up > his bike, then proceeded to head home! Oh, and the guy hanging of his bike, > doing 50 mph down the access road while going STRAIGHT was pretty amusing too. > Brad Those are the same guys that hang out at Haines Point and drag race between lights and do top end runs up 295 all night. If you want to see something funny, read their message board at: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcsportbikeriders I read it everyday for a laugh or 3. Slab racers all the way. They just took a ride up to Skyline and had total carnage. Let's just say they had a 1:4 ratio of downed bikes to upright ones. Jon From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 09:41:33 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21252 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FEV0011J4N32F@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:40:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA31642 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:39:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.38.156.10]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990714134013.TCYZ23218@toddnt> for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:40:13 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:38:27 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: Virago 1100 for sale To: DC-Cycles Message-id: <000a01becdfe$26ff85e0$0a9c26a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Posting this for my neigbor. If anyone would care to x-post to a virago list, that would be appreciated. Call him please, not me. Todd ------------------------------- 1998 Yamaha Virago 1100 1300 miles, garage kept. I've seen the bike and it is in perfect condition. $7,900 Call Doug Meyer @ 703.866.2499 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 09:45:18 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21407 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:44:37 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Bad towing stories Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:44:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain John Whiteside asked, "Has anyone used the AMA's MoTow service? What's your experience been with the companies they contract with?" Yup, twice this year (severed clutch rod in the engine and unreparable tire gash from BF rock) Both times Ron's Towing showed up and treated my well-scarred Suzuki as if it were a highly polished Hardly. First time with a platform truck, second time with a tow truck. The second time, I kidded the driver, "don't scratch the finish". He replied, "Watch this" and he trussed up my DC traffic warrior with webbing and pads as if it were just of the show room floor. Color me amazed. NickKaiho@XXXXXX, claimed, "I'm in the market for a ramp thing to load my bike into the back of my truck. I saw one once and it looked like it was built for that very purpose (vs the thing i'm using now) Then he queried, "Anyone ever seen one of these things for sale ? If so, know where I could find one ?" Sam's Club in Gaithersburg ~$70 IIRC Carl S. Custer Bethesda, MD Commuting into your nation's capitol since 1981 through rain, sun, and snow, but no ice! '85 VF700S "Rocin-ahorito" '80 GS450E "Caballoante"; AMA 676120; OGM #008; FMOENMC #0002 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 09:46:29 1999 Return-Path: ksenser.erols.com@XXXXXX Received: from c008.sfo.cp.net (c008-h018.c008.sfo.cp.net [209.228.14.207]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA21420 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 5029 invoked from network); 14 Jul 1999 06:46:05 -0700 Date: 14 Jul 1999 06:46:05 -0700 Message-ID: <19990714134605.5028.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Jul 1999 13:46:05 GMT Received: from [207.172.7.13] by mail.emailcenter.net with HTTP; 14 Jul 1999 06:46:05 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Kirt Senser X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.0 X-Sent-From: ksenser.erols.com@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Sportbike Riders (was: reston town center) No doubt... I read through their message board, and these guys are far more squidly than even I am. They seem like quite a vain bunch also. I almost laughed myself out of my chair when looking at their pictures page on their website. Most of them are sitting on their perfectly polished new motorcycles, looking all "hard"... where's the smiles guys? Motorcycling is about having fun and excitement, plus you've all got really nice bikes. Crack a grin every once in a while...sheesh. In addition, they seem to enjoy talking huge amounts of shit back and forth at each other..."my bike is faster than yours, and yours too, and while I'm at it, your hayubasa/blackbird/R1 ain't squat compared to my supercharged-nitro-boosted-whatsamawhozit 1200 RRR" I've seen these guys out in DC a couple times, and scene bikes doing 150+ on the various roads connecting DC and Baltimore. Sure, they can go fast in a straight line, but where'd they learn to handle their bikes. Saw a guy yesterday evening in Georgetown with an R1, who looked just like one of the guys on the list who almost dumped his bike twice...once trying to make a u-turn across 4 lanes of traffic, and another making a right turn while holding a handful of front brakes. Oh well... Hobbes On Wed, 14 July 1999, Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > I wasn't going to say anything, but I read their messages too and now I can't > resist... > It was pretty comical how THREE riders went down this weekend... > then the guy was like, "god saved me..." blah blah blah > Whatever. > Learn to ride. > One guy responded with, "Leave the twisties to the real riders." > LOL > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > > dawn.jon@XXXXXX on 07/13/99 08:14:42 PM > > > To: Brad , Brian Roach , dc-cycles > > cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) > Subject: Re: DC Sportbike Riders (was: reston town center) > > > > > > > What cracked me up was how about 70% of them popped the seat cowles, and > > pulled out polishing rags, cleaner, etc., then proceeded to wipe down > every > > smudge on their bikes. One guy took the whole time he was there to spiff > up > > his bike, then proceeded to head home! Oh, and the guy hanging of his > bike, > > doing 50 mph down the access road while going STRAIGHT was pretty amusing > too. > > Brad > > Those are the same guys that hang out at Haines Point and drag race between > lights and do top end runs up 295 all night. > > If you want to see something funny, read their message board at: > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcsportbikeriders > > I read it everyday for a laugh or 3. Slab racers all the way. They just > took a ride up to Skyline and had total carnage. Let's just say they had a > 1:4 ratio of downed bikes to upright ones. > > Jon From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 09:50:42 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21506 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <3YAP11VA>; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:47:49 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB09C0@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Speeding ticket Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:50:02 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Actually since he (supposedly) was already above 75 that's Reckless. If he had been in a 65 zone then 80 would have been reckless. Remember it this way... in VA, 20 over is reckless UNLESS your in that 65 zone. I've had a few good luck stories with cops (like the WV state trooper who gave me a warning for 66 in a 55 last weekend) but NONE of them involve Fairfax or the VA state police. They seem to always give tickets. Glenn >What were the traffic conditions Leon. That time of morning there is >usually a LOT of traffic. Seems dubious that anyone could pace anyone else >in all that traffic. The fact that he gave you 80/55 (threshold for >reckless in VA) indicates he may be biased. > And the fact that he ignored all those out of and in-state >cops using the HOV lanes without an HOV is the most F-ing hypocritical bunch >of fraternal horse-shit in this F-d up area. All the recent talk about how >"some" cops are cool is bull-shit. I've never had a good experience even >when I played goody-innocent From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 09:57:54 1999 Return-Path: ksenser.erols.com@XXXXXX Received: from c008.sfo.cp.net (c008-h018.c008.sfo.cp.net [209.228.14.207]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA21601 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 5101 invoked from network); 14 Jul 1999 06:57:38 -0700 Date: 14 Jul 1999 06:57:38 -0700 Message-ID: <19990714135738.5100.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net> X-Sent: 14 Jul 1999 13:57:38 GMT Received: from [207.172.7.13] by mail.emailcenter.net with HTTP; 14 Jul 1999 06:57:38 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX From: Kirt Senser Cc: dawn.jon@XXXXXX, F4Rider@XXXXXX, roach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.0 Subject: Re: DC Sportbike Riders (was: reston town center) X-Sent-From: ksenser.erols.com@XXXXXX Oh, and while I would never wish a crash upon anyone, it's pretty damn funny how many of those guys crashed. I think it was actually 4, because there were 3 names and an unnamed CBRXX rider. I would be willing to bet a large sum of money, that there was no order to their group either. Probably guys passing each other everywhere, and goin around turns in big group instead of spacing each other out. God has little to do with crashing...it's a matter of knowing how to control your reactions to situations, remain calm, and keep the sticky side down. anyways, enough rattling on by me... Hobbes On Wed, 14 July 1999, Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > I wasn't going to say anything, but I read their messages too and now I can't > resist... > It was pretty comical how THREE riders went down this weekend... > then the guy was like, "god saved me..." blah blah blah > Whatever. > Learn to ride. > One guy responded with, "Leave the twisties to the real riders." > LOL > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > > > > > dawn.jon@XXXXXX on 07/13/99 08:14:42 PM > > > To: Brad , Brian Roach , dc-cycles > > cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) > Subject: Re: DC Sportbike Riders (was: reston town center) > > > > > > > What cracked me up was how about 70% of them popped the seat cowles, and > > pulled out polishing rags, cleaner, etc., then proceeded to wipe down > every > > smudge on their bikes. One guy took the whole time he was there to spiff > up > > his bike, then proceeded to head home! Oh, and the guy hanging of his > bike, > > doing 50 mph down the access road while going STRAIGHT was pretty amusing > too. > > Brad > > Those are the same guys that hang out at Haines Point and drag race between > lights and do top end runs up 295 all night. > > If you want to see something funny, read their message board at: > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcsportbikeriders > > I read it everyday for a laugh or 3. Slab racers all the way. They just > took a ride up to Skyline and had total carnage. Let's just say they had a > 1:4 ratio of downed bikes to upright ones. > > Jon From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 10:06:54 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f32.hotmail.com [209.185.131.95]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA21805 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5017 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 1999 14:06:13 -0000 Message-ID: <19990714140613.5016.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.229.31.23 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:06:13 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.229.31.23] Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX From: "Leon Begeman" To: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Speeding ticket Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:06:13 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" >Actually since he (supposedly) was already above 75 that's Reckless. If he >had been in a 65 zone then 80 would have been reckless. Remember it this >way... in VA, 20 over is reckless UNLESS your in that 65 zone. > That's part of the problem. I do know that rule, and try to make sure I stay under it. That's why I'd really like to know what the guy on the ZX7 saw. The difference between 74 and 80 is less than 10% but it's two points on my license. This might be the incentive I need to get the BC1100, it records the highest speed I attained, at least that way I can tell whether or not he tracked me correctly. I don't think he did this morning. Leon. > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 10:14:15 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21884 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <3YAP1FKT>; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:11:38 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB09C6@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'mrider@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Speeding ticket Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:13:50 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Its more then just two points. If you were doing 74 you could just pre-pay it and forget about it. Since its reckless you are REQUIRED to show up in court. Get a bad judge and he CAN throw the book at you. Since its a class 1 misdemeanor you can be charged up to $2500 and/or a year in jail. Of course those are the extremes and I've never known anyone to go to jail for a reckless but I've seen the judge pull people license for 3 months to a year for first time offenses. Good luck Leon. If you want legal counsel my friend (Carleton Penn 703-591-4900) has helped me and several other DC Cyclist on several occasions. Lawyers can usually get those reckless charges reduced to Improper Driving which is a BS charge. I think its a 3 pointer which is the same as 1 - 9 MPH over. Glenn >That's part of the problem. I do know that rule, and try to make sure I >stay under it. That's why I'd really like to know what the guy on the ZX7 >saw. The difference between 74 and 80 is less than 10% but it's two points >on my license. This might be the incentive I need to get the BC1100, it >records the highest speed I attained, at least that way I can tell whether >or not he tracked me correctly. I don't think he did this morning. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 10:18:00 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21963 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:17:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.152]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:12:55 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Tom Zell" , Subject: RE: RE: av gas Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:14:05 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01bece03$214a6520$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <19990714084530295-13966d32@fanniemaefoundation.org> Importance: Normal > Anyway... AV Gas is a thing of the past... a MAJOR thing of the > past. Honda > recommends 87 octane even with the hi-comp engines... 91-94 > couldn't hurt though > with heat around here (I always run hi-octane... just my preference). Funny thing octane requirements... My BMW lists the two numbers separately. To figure out what to use in the states, you have to average them. Lots of newbies trying to figure out where the heck to get 95 octane gas:) Then there's the Wing. Owner's manual says 85 (R+M)/2. Never had any problem whatsoever with 87. Next time I'm out west, I might try some 85, just for kicks. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 10:30:24 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA22246 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 14 Jul 1999 17:29:35 UT Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:28 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: av gas Message-ID: <19990714103024756-13f678ef@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii And for those seeking a high octane fuel (at least out west) Unocal dispenses 100 octane unleaded (California legal so it's good everywhere) for highway use. Just pull up to the pump and put it in your tank. Just be mindful of how much you use... the stuff is close to $4 a gallon! Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: RE: RE: av gas Author: ghowell@XXXXXX (George Howell) Date: 7/14/99 10:14 AM > Anyway... AV Gas is a thing of the past... a MAJOR thing of the > past. Honda > recommends 87 octane even with the hi-comp engines... 91-94 > couldn't hurt though > with heat around here (I always run hi-octane... just my preference). Funny thing octane requirements... My BMW lists the two numbers separately. To figure out what to use in the states, you have to average them. Lots of newbies trying to figure out where the heck to get 95 octane gas:) Then there's the Wing. Owner's manual says 85 (R+M)/2. Never had any problem whatsoever with 87. Next time I'm out west, I might try some 85, just for kicks. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 10:33:41 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA22268 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 14 Jul 1999 17:32:49 UT Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:32 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Dysart; Glenn B Mr SAM" , "mrider@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:RE: Speeding ticket Message-ID: <19990714103325356-13f93a67@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii As I mentioned a month ago or so on the list, VA is REALLY cracking down on the high-crimes of driving... the judges have been bad for the most part and have been throwing people in jail for bullshit offenses. Get some legal counsel. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: RE: Speeding ticket Author: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX (Dysart; Glenn B Mr SAM) Date: 7/14/99 10:13 AM Get a bad judge and he CAN throw the book at you. Good luck Leon. If you want legal counsel my friend (Carleton Penn 703-591-4900) has helped me and several other DC Cyclist on several occasions. Lawyers can usually get those reckless charges reduced to Improper Driving which is a BS charge. I think its a 3 pointer which is the same as 1 - 9 MPH over. Glenn >That's part of the problem. I do know that rule, and try to make sure I >stay under it. That's why I'd really like to know what the guy on the ZX7 >saw. The difference between 74 and 80 is less than 10% but it's two points >on my license. This might be the incentive I need to get the BC1100, it >records the highest speed I attained, at least that way I can tell whether >or not he tracked me correctly. I don't think he did this morning. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 10:46:02 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22486 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA05081 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA10625 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA12399 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:45:55 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990714104446.01aab730@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:45:54 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: DC Sportbike Riders (JZ?) In-Reply-To: <19990714135738.5100.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There is SOMEONE on the list that calls herself Ginger....that is in the dcsportbikeriders club...... Im not saying anything, but she has red hair and is married..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 10:47:41 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22507 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA05092 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA10691 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA12409 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:47:36 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990714104652.01aad6b0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:47:35 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: DC Sportbike Riders (JZ?) DOH! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just saw the post dates...and realized that maybe she is just screwing with them under an alias.....my bad.... Go get 'em Ginger. Just call me Gilligan. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 10:53:19 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from ww187.netaddress.usa.net (ww187.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.87]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA22611 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23984 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jul 1999 14:53:04 -0000 Message-ID: <19990714145304.23983.qmail@ww187.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.87 by ww187 via web-mailer(M3.2.0.53) on Wed Jul 14 14:53:04 GMT 1999 Date: 14 Jul 99 10:53:04 EDT From: LindaT To: dc Subject: RE: Speeding ticket X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.53) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Leon, depending on how you decide to deal with this: you might consider signing up for the driver improvement course. It will give you 5 good po= ints on your records. If your record is spotless, then you probably already h= ave the good points. You collect good points on your license for every year without a ticket up to a max of 5 (I think). You can take the course onc= e every two years. The course was a complete waste of time, but you do end= up with a certificate of completion that makes a difference to the powers th= at be. Everything taught was sheer common sense (and no gory movies), but t= here were people there who really didn't know the stuff. THAT was scary. When I got the ticket last year (on the HOV lanes too - 74 in 55), I was approaching my limit for points, so the driver's improvement course helpe= d me. They also didn't fine me either but the course cost me $65 so it was kin= d of a wash. = Good luck, LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (59K miles and counting) 86 KLR250 Klarabelle = http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/index.html = ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 11:07:46 1999 Return-Path: redsullivan@XXXXXX Received: from web502.yahoomail.com (web502.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA22872 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990714150652.12435.rocketmail@web502.yahoomail.com> Received: from [198.45.19.20] by web502.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:06:52 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:06:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Sullivan Subject: RE: Speeding ticket To: mrider@XXXXXX, Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Pacing seems sketchy to me. I've received a ticket under this method for a speed that was quite a bit faster than I thought I was going. I suspect the police officer might glance down at his speedo while he's playing catch-up and records that higher speed. But once he's given you the ticket, it would be pretty hard to prove that. Pretty much your word against the officer, who has had training and has a lot more credibility before the magistrate. Sean Sullivan --- Leon Begeman wrote: > That's part of the problem. I do know that rule, > and try to make sure I > stay under it. That's why I'd really like to know > what the guy on the ZX7 > saw. The difference between 74 and 80 is less than > 10% but it's two points > on my license. This might be the incentive I need > to get the BC1100, it > records the highest speed I attained, at least that > way I can tell whether > or not he tracked me correctly. I don't think he > did this morning. > > Leon. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit > http://www.msn.com > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 11:37:35 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA23473 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA05456 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:37:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.114]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA12452 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.16.2.37 by wodc7mr0.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgxvq24068; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:37:29 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 852567AE.00569944 ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:45:53 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Troutman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567AE.00569922.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:36:50 -0400 Subject: Re: DC Sportbike Riders (JZ?) DOH! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline You like my post about "dick measuring?" hee hee - Jeannette (Ginger) '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Troutman on 07/14/99 10:47:35 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Re: DC Sportbike Riders (JZ?) DOH! I just saw the post dates...and realized that maybe she is just screwing with them under an alias.....my bad.... Go get 'em Ginger. Just call me Gilligan. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 11:59:43 1999 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA23848 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 14 Jul 1999 15:59:37 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA21313 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:59:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Sportbike Riders (JZ?) DOH! In-Reply-To: <852567AE.00569922.00@172.16.2.37> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > You like my post about "dick measuring?" hee hee > > - Jeannette (Ginger) > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Fear. I dont want to know. I dont want too know. Okay. I do want to know. Crosspost or email it to me. I'm scared already. Alex. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 12:19:27 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24243 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:19:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by dfw7sosrv11.alter.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgxvt24155; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:19:12 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 852567AE.005A6AA5 ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:27:35 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Alex Milenkovic cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567AE.005A68D4.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:18:28 -0400 Subject: Re: DC Sportbike Riders (JZ?) DOH! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Well, basically the guys were all talking about riders going down this past weekend and one guy commented back that perhaps they should stop all the competitiveness 'cause it can get dangerous, referring to the riders that went down. I replied, "RE: Competitiveness - I've heard it called dick measuring." Of course, I fully expected to be flamed for that post, but one guy wrote back: "I guess mine's a 1/4 mile, then - hee hee" ...referring to their 1/4 races they do an the straights. ...hate to admit, I chuckled a bit at his post. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Alex Milenkovic on 07/14/99 11:59:32 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Re: DC Sportbike Riders (JZ?) DOH! > > You like my post about "dick measuring?" hee hee > > - Jeannette (Ginger) > '86 VFR 700 F2 > www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Fear. I dont want to know. I dont want too know. Okay. I do want to know. Crosspost or email it to me. I'm scared already. Alex. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 13:02:07 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25150 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:02:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA13830; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <36RDF5Z5>; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:06:20 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427D4F32B@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'Leon Begeman'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Speeding ticket Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:06:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Hi Leon, >At about 7:45 this morning I got a reckless/speeding ticket on the HOV lanes >in Fairfax County. >The officer said he paced me, but I don't see how he could have gotten an >accurate speed based on what I saw. He gave me the ticket for 80 in a 55, >I'm quite certain that I wasn't going that fast. Legal battle has a whole set of rules best left to an attorney. Please note I am a bithead (i.e., software engineer) so I have no standing in your decision. Simple words used in everyday conversation have specific denotations in law. For example "know"--the officer must demonstrate that he knows how fast you were going, but just a glance at the speedometer is not enough. The validity of the procedures that he used to determine your speed, the execution of those procedures, and the condition of his equipment to include especially proof of calibration at the time of use all must be demonstrated. Even the means of asking these questions likely has a protocol, oh well. Best of luck, Mike 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 13:03:59 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25168 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 114SRL-0002jQ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:03:27 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:03:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Sportbike Riders (was: reston town center) In-Reply-To: <008f01becd8d$dfb4bf40$44c63ea6@0302104396168270> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 14 Jul 1999 dawn.jon@XXXXXX wrote: > Those are the same guys that hang out at Haines Point and drag race between > lights and do top end runs up 295 all night. > > If you want to see something funny, read their message board at: > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcsportbikeriders > > I read it everyday for a laugh or 3. Slab racers all the way. They just > took a ride up to Skyline and had total carnage. Let's just say they had a > 1:4 ratio of downed bikes to upright ones. > > Jon I see you couldn't resist giving them shit after the Skyline ride. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 13:30:42 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25793 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:30:41 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2ADGa13291 (4327) for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:29:29 EDT Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC: POP3 and SMTP w/AOL ???? CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 In a message dated 7/13/99 9:42:14 PM, mike@XXXXXX writes: << Stay the Hell away from Mindspring (IMO).>> WHY??? I've heard nothing but kudos about mindspring except for you :D marcy From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 13:40:21 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25983 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:40:20 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2Pa0027648 (4327) for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:39:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9ce34eb3.24be254c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:39:24 EDT Subject: Re: Speeding ticket To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 In a message dated 7/14/99 8:41:43 AM, mriderleon@XXXXXX writes: <> wasn;t someone on the list, not too long ago, posting at length about all the right questions to bring up in court to cast doubt upon the accuracy of the cops idea of how fast you were going??? :D marcy From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 14:02:18 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1103.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.123]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA26578 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:02:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990714180243.4814.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1103.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:02:43 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:02:43 -0700 (PDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC: POP3 and SMTP w/AOL ???? To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'll second the Mindspring warning. Used to use them. Nothing but trouble. Constantly getting disconnected, tech support no help in dealing with it. I finally just gave up and cancelled. --- JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 7/13/99 9:42:14 PM, > mike@XXXXXX writes: > > << Stay the Hell away from Mindspring (IMO).>> > > WHY??? I've heard nothing but kudos about mindspring > except for you :D > > marcy > === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 14:21:12 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA26976 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06989 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA17871 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lcsa3 (mail.lcsa.org) by idalee.loudoun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FEV002ARHM5XK@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:22:51 -0400 From: Gary Foreman Subject: Anyone ever use Kiernan Racing Supplies ??? To: Tl1000 List , "Yamahafj@XXXXXX" , DC-Cycles Mailing List , Suzuki-L Message-id: <003901bece25$e1d07740$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) After much torment finding my new helmet (Arai Quantum/e Raptor) I ended up ordering it from Kiernan Racing Supplies. His price on the helmet wasn't the cheapest quoted price, but when all was said and done it ended up cheaper. The cheapest quoted price was $349.95 at Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse, but holy $hit, when they got done with the shipping charges, it was $499! On their web page they list 2nd day air at $22, but when I called, she said that didn't include all the handling fees. Well, the hell with them. They also wanted $72.95 for the same shield I got from Kiernan for $56. Never done business with them...never will. Of course the helmet hasn't arrived yet, but he was so kind to give me the UPS tracking number and it is on it's way. Kiernan Racing Supplies http://www.braincell.com/kiernan/ Gary W. Foreman Email: fj1100@XXXXXX Web: http://www.fj1100.com '99 TL1000R | '88 KX250 | '85 FJ1100 He who dies with the most toys...dies Happy! From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 14:21:35 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA26986 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA12900; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:21:27 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990714141846.01ac60d0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:21:20 -0400 To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC: POP3 and SMTP w/AOL ???? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:29 PM 7/14/99 , JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > >In a message dated 7/13/99 9:42:14 PM, mike@XXXXXX writes: > ><< Stay the Hell away from Mindspring (IMO).>> > >WHY??? I've heard nothing but kudos about mindspring except for you :D > >marcy I used to do a lot of online gaming. Quake and similar stuff - 2 hours a night for 2 years. Quite the addiction. Anyway, I became intimate with MS tech support on packet loss and connectivity issues. I never used them for email - my company has one of their dial in accounts for roaming email access. They are one of the few decent ISPs that have POPs all over the country. We still have them for that purpose, but most of us use Erols for local connectivity. We are an ISP, but engineered for corporate connectivity, and we only have one local POP, which would be long distance for our remote workers.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 14:37:48 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27310 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Anita.dlt.com ([199.4.241.102]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA12854 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:37:57 -0400 Message-Id: <199907141837.OAA12854@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:38:19 -0400 Subject: Now *that's* a lot of riding... Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) I've only got 985,000 miles to go! :-) http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/990713/nj_bmw_mot_1.html Anita From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 14:42:09 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27390 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA07139 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:41:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from chi6-1.relay.mail.uu.net (chi6-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.98]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA18484 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.16.2.37 by chi6sosrv11.alter.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgxwc13981; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:41:39 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 852567AE.00677458 ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:49:59 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Gary Foreman cc: Tl1000 List , "Yamahafj@XXXXXX" , DC-Cycles Mailing List , Suzuki-L Message-ID: <852567AE.006773E0.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:40:54 -0400 Subject: Re: Anyone ever use Kiernan Racing Supplies ??? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I have and always had good experiences. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 Gary Foreman on 07/14/99 02:22:51 PM To: Tl1000 List , "Yamahafj@XXXXXX", DC-Cycles Mailing List , Suzuki-L cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Anyone ever use Kiernan Racing Supplies ??? After much torment finding my new helmet (Arai Quantum/e Raptor) I ended up ordering it from Kiernan Racing Supplies. His price on the helmet wasn't the cheapest quoted price, but when all was said and done it ended up cheaper. The cheapest quoted price was $349.95 at Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse, but holy $hit, when they got done with the shipping charges, it was $499! On their web page they list 2nd day air at $22, but when I called, she said that didn't include all the handling fees. Well, the hell with them. They also wanted $72.95 for the same shield I got from Kiernan for $56. Never done business with them...never will. Of course the helmet hasn't arrived yet, but he was so kind to give me the UPS tracking number and it is on it's way. Kiernan Racing Supplies http://www.braincell.com/kiernan/ Gary W. Foreman Email: fj1100@XXXXXX Web: http://www.fj1100.com '99 TL1000R | '88 KX250 | '85 FJ1100 He who dies with the most toys...dies Happy! From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 15:16:08 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (alpha.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA28057 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FEV0058YJXLUV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:10:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta03.mcit.com (omzmta03.mcit.com [166.37.194.121]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA10044; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:09:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.38.156.10]) by omzmta03.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990714191032.YDEU23218@toddnt>; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:10:32 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:08:43 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Now *that's* a lot of riding... In-reply-to: <199907141837.OAA12854@radagast.wizard.net> To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001001bece2c$4a2341a0$0a9c26a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal 26 years of riding, or an average of 38461.5384 miles/year. Come on Anita, you can do this :) If I get a chance to do my CC50 this year, I should have close to 30k for the year by January 1, 2000. Todd IBA, HSTA, AMA, HRCA, STOC, WSDYMOFOG > -----Original Message----- > From: Anita Lauro [mailto:2xracers@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 2:38 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Now *that's* a lot of riding... > > > I've only got 985,000 miles to go! :-) > > http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/990713/nj_bmw_mot_1.html > > Anita > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 15:29:45 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA28255 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <381MHCHF>; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:29:26 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Anyone ever use Kiernan Racing Supplies ??? Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:29:23 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > After much torment finding my new helmet (Arai Quantum/e > Raptor) I ended up > ordering it from Kiernan Racing Supplies. His price on the > helmet wasn't > the cheapest quoted price, but when all was said and done it ended up > cheaper. > Ya shoulda mentioned something to the list.... I have a sponsor for my race team that's been doing right by a lot of people ($280 for solid coloured Arai Quantums). For future ref.. Duane Griffith Dixie Cycle 318-368-3172 aloetran@XXXXXX And for all the sucess Jeannette's had, I've heard others complain of crapy service, and bad business dealings with Kiernan..... so buyer beware.. Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 15:47:55 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA28641 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:48:53 -0400 Message-Id: <199907141548.AA8061034@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: Now *that's* a lot of riding... X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > 26 years of riding, or an average of 38461.5384 miles/year. > Come on Anita, you can do this :) -------------------------------------------------------------- It would sure be fun trying, anyway. I think the key to high yearly mileage is a long commute. Mine is nominally only 24 miles each way. Makes it tough to get more than 30k a year, unless I get lost a lot. I bet if I got a job in Richmond...nah. I'll be happy averaging 30k for the next 33.33 years, I think. I'll get to 1Meg eventually. I wonder if they'll all be on Kawasakis? I never intended to be brand-conscious, it just worked out that way... :) Horkster, keeping tire and gas companies in business since 1996. -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 16:30:58 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.114]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA29589 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:30:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by wodc7mr0.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgxwk28127; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:30:03 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 852567AE.00716219 ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:38:26 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Horkster" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567AE.0071601A.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:29:15 -0400 Subject: RE: Now *that's* a lot of riding... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I'd say the key is to be independently filthy rich! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 "Horkster" on 07/14/99 03:48:53 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: RE: Now *that's* a lot of riding... ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > 26 years of riding, or an average of 38461.5384 miles/year. > Come on Anita, you can do this :) -------------------------------------------------------------- It would sure be fun trying, anyway. I think the key to high yearly mileage is a long commute. Mine is nominally only 24 miles each way. Makes it tough to get more than 30k a year, unless I get lost a lot. I bet if I got a job in Richmond...nah. I'll be happy averaging 30k for the next 33.33 years, I think. I'll get to 1Meg eventually. I wonder if they'll all be on Kawasakis? I never intended to be brand-conscious, it just worked out that way... :) Horkster, keeping tire and gas companies in business since 1996. -- Dale Horstman (The Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Concours - His - BugSlayer II - VA Plate: BGSLYR 1999 Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi (Knee-High) "I started riding away from home in order to feel the sweet sensation of missing it at the same time I love leaving it." - Melissa Holbrook Pierson "The Perfect Vehicle" -- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 16:47:01 1999 Return-Path: harris@XXXXXX Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA29863 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:46:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (pm10h-156.his.com [209.67.210.156]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA07612 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990714164352.008e3630@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:43:52 -0400 To: From: Stephen Harris Subject: RE: av gas In-Reply-To: <19990714103024756-13f678ef@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:28 AM 7/14/99 -0400, Tom Zell wrote: >Just pull up to the pump and put it in your tank. Just be mindful of how much >you use... the stuff is close to $4 a gallon! ~If~ you need high octane fuel.... We used to use 100LL in our endurance bike. FZR600 with higher compression pistons. The big reason we used 100LL is price. You can buy it for about $1.70 per gallon (avaition fuel has very little of the taxes on it that we pay at the pump) vs the 3-5-8 per gallon for "race" gas. It may sound a little niggardly to be concerned with the price, but at a typical 24hour race we will need over 100 gallons (3.5 gallons per hour for about 30+ hours of racing & pratice) of fuel, so a difference of a buck a gallon is something to be concerned about. Anyway we put about 400 racing hours on various engines with 100LL. In all of that time no ill effect to the engines. 100LL is good & cheap if you need the octane. Another reason I like it better than "racing" fuel is the consistancy. 100LL is controled by the FAA as to is make up to a far more constatant basis than racing fuels. Once you set up the bike to run on 100LL you can buy fuel that behaves the same at every airport in the county. Not the same when switching from, say, powermist to unical or what every brand has the exclusive distributorship at the track in quesiton. Also, 100LL can sit in your tank for long peroids of time better than racing gas. But like I said ~if~ you need race gas....and almost everyone on this list does not. Harris Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 17:31:28 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA00856 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Anita.dlt.com ([199.4.241.102]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA00836; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:31:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199907142131.RAA00836@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Todd Peer Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:31:56 -0400 Subject: RE: Now *that's* a lot of riding... CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal References: <199907141837.OAA12854@radagast.wizard.net> In-reply-to: <001001bece2c$4a2341a0$0a9c26a6@toddnt.mcit.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) On 14 Jul 99, at 15:08, Todd Peer wrote: > 26 years of riding, or an average of 38461.5384 miles/year. Come on Anita, > you can do this :) Well.. that's only 739.63 miles per weekend... 52 weekends a year.. until I'm 61... sure, I can do that! :-) In all honesty, I doubt I'll be racking up a ton of miles.. has something to do with my aversion to riding on the highway.. :-) If I can do 12K miles of twisties and backroads a year, I'll be happy! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 18:05:58 1999 Return-Path: bigredsled@XXXXXX Received: from web806.mail.yahoo.com (web806.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA01497 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990714220321.13315.rocketmail@web806.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.8.22.33] by web806.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:03:21 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:03:21 -0700 (PDT) From: s s Subject: Re: Now *that's* a lot of riding... To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Now you know how I felt when I got to the Beltway on the morning of June 1st. ;-) Let's go, I only need about 20k more miles this year, and that's doable! Spence.... --- Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> wrote: > I've only got 985,000 miles to go! :-) > > http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/990713/nj_bmw_mot_1.html > > Anita > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 19:14:06 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA02766 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA09216 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA02199 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:14:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.163]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:08:58 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: FW: New feature in IM Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:10:13 -0400 Message-ID: <001a01bece4e$07346dc0$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Shameless plug. I wrote a response to an article in IM last night. Turns out, it was going to be the topic of the next article. They took my piece (cleaning it up a bit) and posted that instead. >Interactive Motorcycle Update List - http://www.activebike.com > >A new feature, "Let the Buyer Beware" has been added. > >Enjoy. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 19:35:12 1999 Return-Path: tomorrow@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA03232 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erols.com (207-172-57-207.s207.tnt2.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.57.207]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA02157 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <378D1DC2.7686FC85@erols.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:31:14 -0400 From: Tim Morrow Reply-To: tomorrow@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: For Sale: 1982 Honda CB900F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For sale: 1982 Honda CB900F. Silver/blue. 8,400 miles. One owner. Complete, stock, original, runs well. Cosmetically fair. Original paint is faded and the original decals are yellowing. The tank has two dents in it: one from something falling onto the tank, the other from the bike partially falling over in the garage. Original seat cover torn, should be replaced. Good Dunlop K591 tires, good brake pads, Progressive Suspension rear shocks. Everything works, ridden regularly. Asking $675 or best offer. Northern Virginia. Can deliver anywhere in the metro area. Reply via e-mail (off-list) to tomorrow@XXXXXX Tim From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 20:14:53 1999 Return-Path: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA03911 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:14:52 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2VZZa16557 (4530) for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:12:44 EDT Subject: Re: av gas To: DC-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 100 low lead Avgas has too much lead for todays lead-free burning engines. You'll get lead deposits very very quickly. Don't use it. Rob VanSlyke Aircraft Mechanic From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 20:50:31 1999 Return-Path: harris@XXXXXX Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA04563 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (pm2h-70.his.com [209.67.210.70]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA03667; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990714204721.008f2270@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:47:21 -0400 To: NJitzul@XXXXXX, DC-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: av gas In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:12 PM 7/14/99 EDT, NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: >100 low lead Avgas has too much lead for todays lead-free burning engines. >You'll get lead deposits very very quickly. Don't use it. > >Rob VanSlyke >Aircraft Mechanic See my previous post. Specifically, lead build up was ~never~ a problem in our engines. Exhaust valve seat wear was actually decreased by the lead content. I can document this in valve clearance maintenance records over the service history of serval different racing engines. This, despite the fact the hard faced valve seats did not need lead to reduce wear. Over the years I've heard a lot of people warn about excessive lead content from 100LL in motorcycle engines. Our real world empirical experience shows this is not a concern whatsoever. Bottom line, using 100LL as a substitute for racing fuels poses no threat to the engine. Of course, 99.9% of the people out there do not need racing fuels anyway so.... S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 21:11:09 1999 Return-Path: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA04841 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:11:08 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id lUOOa20863 (4530); Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1312e17b.24be8ebf@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:09:19 EDT Subject: Re: av gas To: harris@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 I saw the post. For racing, it's fine. For day to day riding, it's bad news. I have never heard of people using it in motorcycles, but have heard of people using it in cars. The results were very different from what you describe. Then again, you are speaking of "racing" engines. I think a stock engine would suffer the same as the afor-mentioned cars, with lead deposits forming. Also, I suppose your race engines were disassembled and cleaned redularly? How many people disassemble their motorcycle and auto engines regularly? Rob VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Swamp Thing" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 21:34:56 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA05241 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anita (tc2-s26.wizard.net [206.161.15.102]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA22054 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:34:52 -0400 From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Subject: One of our rides? :-) [HUMOR] Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:35:48 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bece62$5daeb480$660fa1ce@anita> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal You are invited to join the monthly RUNNING OF THE SQUIDS This isn't just a ride, it is a full rout, in the style of the Running of the Bulls or the Running of the Grunion. You won't want to miss the thrills and chills of this exciting event. Read on for a description of the emotional ups and downs you will experience during this unique happening. You will have the pleasure of riding with a variety of individuals most of whom have no initiation in the rules of the road, gentlemanly conduct, or plain common sense. "The Pace? What Pace!" Your fellow riders will be guys who truly think that safety-mindedness is for cowards and weaklings. Watch them throw caution to the wind in an unrestrained display of machismo and bravado. Pangs of distress will run through you as some of these folks demonstrate their lack of skill up close while operating motorcycles with power and braking capabilities beyond their ability to safely control. Witness their pride of ownership as they attempt to insert themselves in front of you at any time, especially when you are slowing down for safety's sake or to observe the speed limit in a heavily patrolled area. You will shake your head in disbelief as riders speed in access of 100 mph past driveways, lookout points and rest stops as you wonder what type of vehicle encounter will present itself for your entertainment. You will marvel as you watch ride participants perform skillful and daring acrobatic maneuvers, including flying through the air and somersaulting into the ditch. You will develop close bonds with your fellow riders as you get to know each other by the side of the road while waiting for emergency personnel to arrive at the scene of an unscheduled off-pavement excursion. You will wave emotional good-byes, as participants are lifted up into the sky by life flight helicopters, not knowing if you will ever ride with them again. You will enjoy watching newbies take the wrong roads and wander off to who knows where, on their own mystery rides, as the ride gets strung out in the back country. You will ponder where everyone went when you look around about halfway through the ride and half the participants who started with you are no longer there. You will endure waiting an unusually long time for some folks to reach stopping points only to have them continue on past while you wonder why you bothered to look out for them in the first place. You will thrill as your ride leader makes passes, in go slow zones, on these etiquette ignoring poseurs, while nearly clobbering errant motorists they have sent him in the path of. You will experience the heights of anxiety as riders on fast bikes demonstrate every kind of blocking maneuver while you attempt to pass them and enjoy traversing your favorite roads. Finally you will feel the urge to reach out and clutch someone when your ride leader tells you not to worry about all of this rude behavior and you listen to the ridicule of the clueless who don't like your advice. Don't miss it, there is nothing else like it. Brought to you by your local bike shop. The monthly RUNNING OF THE SQUIDS From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 22:25:34 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA06085 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA09892 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA08053 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.172.121.217] (207-172-121-217.s217.tnt15.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.121.217]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA18770; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199907150231.WAA18770@smtp2.erols.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:42:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Anyone ever use Kiernan Racing Supplies ??? From: "David Cross" To: Gary Foreman , Tl1000 List , "Yamahafj@XXXXXX" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" , "Suzuki-L" Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit My experience with them (the shortened version): I bought a pair of leathers from them. First pair was too small so they sent another and said we will credit you for first pair when they get them back. Fine, Im charged a total of $2000 for the two sets of leathers but will get $1000 credited back to my visa when they get the first back. Two weeks after I sent them leathers back I hadnt gotten a credit. I call to confirm that they received them and they said yes and I will get my credit very soon. Well after 4 months of of calls to Visa, Better Business Bureau, New Jersey Chamber of Commerce, numerous phone calls to reach the illusive owner, and threats of contacting New Jersey District Attorney I get my $1000 back. I knew I was going to be in trouble when an employee told me that could he give me $1000 in merchandise because the business was in financial trouble. YMMV, but do business with them at your own risk. Dave Cross > After much torment finding my new helmet (Arai Quantum/e Raptor) I ended up > ordering it from Kiernan Racing Supplies. His price on the helmet wasn't > the cheapest quoted price, but when all was said and done it ended up > cheaper. > > The cheapest quoted price was $349.95 at Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse, but > holy $hit, when they got done with the shipping charges, it was $499! On > their web page they list 2nd day air at $22, but when I called, she said > that didn't include all the handling fees. Well, the hell with them. They > also wanted $72.95 for the same shield I got from Kiernan for $56. Never > done business with them...never will. > > Of course the helmet hasn't arrived yet, but he was so kind to give me the > UPS tracking number and it is on it's way. > > Kiernan Racing Supplies > http://www.braincell.com/kiernan/ > > Gary W. Foreman > Email: fj1100@XXXXXX > Web: http://www.fj1100.com > '99 TL1000R | '88 KX250 | '85 FJ1100 > He who dies with the most toys...dies Happy! > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 22:35:36 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA06313 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (209-122-252-177.s431.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.252.177]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA11350 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 99 22:28:52 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: RE: One of our rides? :-) [HUMOR] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 The disturbing thing is that just today I got e-mail to my other account from the dc-sportbikers, inviting me to ride to the Philly greek fest next weekend. Anyone scared? gregg --- On Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:35:48 -0400 Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> wrote: >You are invited to join the monthly RUNNING OF THE SQUIDS > >This isn't just a ride, it is a full rout, in the style of the Running of >the Bulls or the Running of the Grunion. You won't want to miss the thrills >and chills of this exciting event. Read on for a description of the >emotional ups and downs you will experience during this unique happening. > >You will have the pleasure of riding with a variety of individuals most of >whom have no initiation in the rules of the road, gentlemanly conduct, or >plain common sense. "The Pace? What Pace!" > >Your fellow riders will be guys who truly think that safety-mindedness is >for cowards and weaklings. Watch them throw caution to the wind in an >unrestrained display of machismo and bravado. > >Pangs of distress will run through you as some of these folks demonstrate >their lack of skill up close while operating motorcycles with power and >braking capabilities beyond their ability to safely control. > >Witness their pride of ownership as they attempt to insert themselves in >front of you at any time, especially when you are slowing down for safety's >sake or to observe the speed limit in a heavily patrolled area. > >You will shake your head in disbelief as riders speed in access of 100 mph >past driveways, lookout points and rest stops as you wonder what type of >vehicle encounter will present itself for your entertainment. > >You will marvel as you watch ride participants perform skillful and daring >acrobatic maneuvers, including flying through the air and somersaulting >into the ditch. > >You will develop close bonds with your fellow riders as you get to know >each other by the side of the road while waiting for emergency personnel >to arrive at the scene of an unscheduled off-pavement excursion. > >You will wave emotional good-byes, as participants are lifted up into the >sky by life flight helicopters, not knowing if you will ever ride with them >again. > >You will enjoy watching newbies take the wrong roads and wander off to who >knows where, on their own mystery rides, as the ride gets strung out in >the back country. > >You will ponder where everyone went when you look around about halfway >through the ride and half the participants who started with you are no >longer there. > >You will endure waiting an unusually long time for some folks to reach >stopping points only to have them continue on past while you wonder why >you bothered to look out for them in the first place. > >You will thrill as your ride leader makes passes, in go slow zones, on >these etiquette ignoring poseurs, while nearly clobbering errant motorists >they have sent him in the path of. > >You will experience the heights of anxiety as riders on fast bikes >demonstrate every kind of blocking maneuver while you attempt to pass them >and enjoy traversing your favorite roads. > >Finally you will feel the urge to reach out and clutch someone when your >ride leader tells you not to worry about all of this rude behavior and you >listen to the ridicule of the clueless who don't like your advice. > >Don't miss it, there is nothing else like it. Brought to you by your local >bike shop. > >The monthly RUNNING OF THE SQUIDS > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/14/99 HSTA/AMA 10:28:52 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 23:39:54 1999 Return-Path: JimJacks@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA07611 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 23:39:52 -0400 (EDT) From: JimJacks@XXXXXX Received: from JimJacks@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id vBDAa28288 (4318) for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 23:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1402f467.24beb17b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 23:37:31 EDT Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/14/99 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Someone said: "All the recent talk about how "some" cops are cool is bull-shit. I've never had a good experience even when I played goody-innocent off soap box." bull-shit? A warning at 83 in a 55? A ticket for 15 over instead of 35 over? ok, I see your point. All cops are dicks. Also....didnt someone get into trouble downtown using the word "niggardly"? Everything is so political in this town! he he he see y'all, I'm off to Morocco, so no sarchasm for awhile, I know you will miss it! (not)! Ride safe - Jim zx11 (hardstarting) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 14 23:52:01 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA08036 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 23:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (216-164-225-200.s454.tnt6.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.225.200]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA14268; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 23:51:55 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990714234912.00a21470@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 23:51:49 -0400 To: JimJacks@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/14/99 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <1402f467.24beb17b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:37 PM 7/14/99 , JimJacks@XXXXXX wrote: >Someone said: >"All the recent talk about how "some" cops are cool is bull-shit. I've never >had a good experience even when I played goody-innocent off soap box." >bull-shit? >A warning at 83 in a 55? A ticket for 15 over instead of 35 over? ok, I see >your point. All cops are dicks. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. If a cop pulls me for 80+ in a 55, you won't catch me whining about the cop being an ass for giving me a ticket. I fully expect one. I may whine about getting caught though.... Ticket free on bikes so far....wish I were so lucky in the cage.... _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 00:17:35 1999 Return-Path: twg@XXXXXX Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA08613 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 00:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip-3 ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 114cxe-0002QR-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:17:31 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:17:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Starting my tour Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'll be starting my 4 corneres tour tomorrow by heading up to Mid-Ohio wiht Danny and Brian. For those whow are interested you can keep track of my tour at: http://www.twowheelsgood.net/tour/tour.html . The site is pretty sparse at the moment but I hope to update it this weekend sometime. I'll email the list as I update my website. I probably won't be reading the list so if you wisht to contact me you can send email to hughc@XXXXXX . ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 06:46:31 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA15708 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 06:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <38W7Y4XN>; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 06:43:53 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB09DB@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'Stephen Harris'" , NJitzul@XXXXXX, DC-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: av gas Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 06:46:23 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I think the real problem here is for cars, not bikes, specifically the catalytic converter gets damaged by lead. Isn't there a bike with a cat? That weird Yamaha? Glenn At 08:12 PM 7/14/99 EDT, NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: >100 low lead Avgas has too much lead for todays lead-free burning engines. >You'll get lead deposits very very quickly. Don't use it. > >Rob VanSlyke >Aircraft Mechanic > See my previous post. Specifically, lead build up was ~never~ a problem >in our engines. Exhaust valve seat wear was actually decreased by the lead >content. I can document this in valve clearance maintenance records over >the service history of serval different racing engines. This, despite the >fact the hard faced valve seats did not need lead to reduce wear. Over the >years I've heard a lot of people warn about excessive lead content from >100LL in motorcycle engines. Our real world empirical experience shows >this is not a concern whatsoever. > Bottom line, using 100LL as a substitute for racing fuels poses no threat >to the engine. > Of course, 99.9% of the people out there do not need racing fuels anyway >so.... From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 07:14:31 1999 Return-Path: berman@XXXXXX Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA16070 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 07:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA17652; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 07:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 07:14:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" cc: "'Stephen Harris'" , NJitzul@XXXXXX, DC-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: av gas In-Reply-To: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB09DB@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII One of the Yams, as well as the BMW's -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Thu, 15 Jul 1999, Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: > I think the real problem here is for cars, not bikes, specifically the > catalytic converter gets damaged by lead. Isn't there a bike with a cat? > That weird Yamaha? > > Glenn > > > > At 08:12 PM 7/14/99 EDT, NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > >100 low lead Avgas has too much lead for todays lead-free burning engines. > >You'll get lead deposits very very quickly. Don't use it. > > > >Rob VanSlyke > >Aircraft Mechanic > > > > See my previous post. Specifically, lead build up was ~never~ a > problem > >in our engines. Exhaust valve seat wear was actually decreased by the lead > >content. I can document this in valve clearance maintenance records over > >the service history of serval different racing engines. This, despite the > >fact the hard faced valve seats did not need lead to reduce wear. Over the > >years I've heard a lot of people warn about excessive lead content from > >100LL in motorcycle engines. Our real world empirical experience shows > >this is not a concern whatsoever. > > > Bottom line, using 100LL as a substitute for racing fuels poses no > threat > >to the engine. > > > Of course, 99.9% of the people out there do not need racing fuels > anyway > >so.... > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 07:16:22 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA16170 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 07:16:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <381MH49W>; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 04:16:11 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: av gas Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 04:16:10 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) All BMWs? Actually, I've heard that lead makes deposits on the valves as well... it's not as quick on MC engines because of the higer revs, and less so on a race-bike where it's only run at the limits.. but it's there. Brian > -----Original Message----- > I think the real problem here is for cars, not bikes, specifically the > catalytic converter gets damaged by lead. Isn't there a bike > with a cat? > That weird Yamaha? > > Glenn From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 09:04:00 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA18961 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA12949 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA23025 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mo3980r1.ems.att.com ([135.38.12.14]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id JAA01613 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh1.ems.att.com by mo3980r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id JAA17555; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh1.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <366TPK8F>; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:03:48 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE0124A63B@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Carver, John M, BGM" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: ZX-12 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:03:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain From this week's MCN: (I copied it from the yahoo DC area sportbike riders club) "Kawasaki's close-to-ready ZX-12R covered a 1/4 mile from a standing start in just 9.52 seconds, according to leaked figures from a secret test session. If they are correct it means that the bike is more than a quarter-of-a-second faster than it's main rival, Suzuki's Hayabusa, which can cover the same distance in 9.8 seconds" Other claims include 182 bhp at he crank and weight of 215 kg... End of article. I've also heard top speeds of 204 mph in one direction and 206 mph in the other direction (why??? negates wind assist). Average speed...205 mph! This will also be the first production bike to be fitted with a 200mm wide rear tire. Get your check books ready fellas. "Super-powerful bikes, get bikes banned" LOL. John 98VFR From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 09:56:14 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA19816 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:55:21 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:55:16 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:53:49 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: JimJacks@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/14/99 -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Also....didnt someone get into trouble downtown using the word "niggardly"? Yup. The PC Army has decided that the word is offensive, no matter what its meaning. Idiotic. BTW, I used the very word in my last performance review with my supervisor to describe my last raise. Joe From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 10:29:47 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20373 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 10:29:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.156]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 10:24:38 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" , "'Stephen Harris'" , , Subject: RE: av gas Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 10:26:01 -0400 Message-ID: <001b01bececd$f6e6f020$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB09DB@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Importance: Normal > I think the real problem here is for cars, not bikes, specifically the > catalytic converter gets damaged by lead. Isn't there a bike with a cat? > That weird Yamaha? > > Glenn Are you thinking of the GTS-1000? I'm not sure. All current Beemers (except the F650) have 'em. I think there's also a Kawasaki or something that has one currently. Maybe only in CA. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 14:59:18 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA25339 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 14:59:15 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA11420; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 14:58:54 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa08122; Thu, 15 Jul 99 14:55:25 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FEX00DFWDZCPD@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 14:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567AF.0067C3AB ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 14:53:18 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 14:52:37 -0400 Subject: Chrome Kawasaki To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567AF.0067BD49.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL A link from the dc sportbike squid site: http://zx-chrome.blood.com/ Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 15:12:39 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25657 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA16580 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:12:26 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990715151110.01e04290@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:12:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: '83 Yamaha 550? In-Reply-To: <852567AF.0067BD49.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anyone have, or have a pic of an '83 Yamaha 550? A friend is thinking about buying one from a distant co-worker for the grand sum of $500, but before he makes the trip out he wants to see what they look like. I scanned the search engines with no luck.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 15:24:46 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA25845 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:22:02 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:21:58 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:20:19 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Subject: Chrome Kawasaki -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I guess that'd keep ya busy with yer polishin' rag. Joe From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 16:52:42 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA27603 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (216-164-244-213.s467.tnt11.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.244.213]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA22436 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 99 16:47:14 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: This weekend To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Is officially Squid dayz. Ruff Ryders(rap group for the older folks) are looking for sportbike riders to go to RFK for a video shoot and do burnouts, wheelies, and stoppies. I think I might go just to check out the hardware-might be some interesting things showing up. Sat 12-6, Sun 1-7. RFK parking lot. Free food, drinks, T-shirts. Don't think I'll participate, but should be fun to watch-I'm betting at least one looped bike. Anyone want to ride in from Mclean area? Greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/15/99 HSTA/AMA 4:47:14 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 16:59:17 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net (dfw7-1.relay.mail.uu.net [199.171.54.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA27710 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:59:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeannette_Zell@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by dfw7sosrv11.alter.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgyad01276; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:59:02 GMT Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 852567AF.00736A54 ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:00:38 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: JOE NAGY cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567AF.007369F1.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:58:02 -0400 Subject: Re: Chrome Kawasaki -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline ...not to mention being blinded by the sun! LOL - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 JOE NAGY on 07/15/99 03:20:19 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette Zell/SPPT/US) Subject: Chrome Kawasaki -Reply I guess that'd keep ya busy with yer polishin' rag. Joe From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 17:13:03 1999 Return-Path: bigredsled@XXXXXX Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA28068 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990715211703.25786.rocketmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.8.23.33] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:17:03 GMT Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:17:03 +0000 (GMT) From: s s Subject: RE: av gas To: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" , "'Stephen Harris'" , NJitzul@XXXXXX, DC-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think almost all of the new beemers have catatonic perverters. Go ahead, put 100LL in there, it'll look like chernobyl ;-) Spence.. --- "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" wrote: > I think the real problem here is for cars, not > bikes, specifically the > catalytic converter gets damaged by lead. Isn't > there a bike with a cat? > That weird Yamaha? > > Glenn > > > > At 08:12 PM 7/14/99 EDT, NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > >100 low lead Avgas has too much lead for todays > lead-free burning engines. > >You'll get lead deposits very very quickly. Don't > use it. > > > >Rob VanSlyke > >Aircraft Mechanic > > > > See my previous post. Specifically, lead build up > was ~never~ a > problem > >in our engines. Exhaust valve seat wear was > actually decreased by the lead > >content. I can document this in valve clearance > maintenance records over > >the service history of serval different racing > engines. This, despite the > >fact the hard faced valve seats did not need lead > to reduce wear. Over the > >years I've heard a lot of people warn about > excessive lead content from > >100LL in motorcycle engines. Our real world > empirical experience shows > >this is not a concern whatsoever. > > > Bottom line, using 100LL as a substitute for > racing fuels poses no > threat > >to the engine. > > > Of course, 99.9% of the people out there do not > need racing fuels > anyway > >so.... > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 17:16:48 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA28179 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:16:47 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id RAA18834; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:17:33 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma018310; Thu, 15 Jul 99 17:16:31 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FEX00JWFKJDLC@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567AF.0074BAF2 ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:15:00 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:14:17 -0400 Subject: Re: This weekend To: Greg Sachs Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567AF.0074B693.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I'd be interested in seeing that. Should be good for a few laughs. I live in Manassas, but can meet up with others elsewhere in No. Va. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: Greg Sachs Date: 07/15/99 08:47:14 PM GMT Subject: This weekend Is officially Squid dayz. Ruff Ryders(rap group for the older folks) are looking for sportbike riders to go to RFK for a video shoot and do burnouts, wheelies, and stoppies. I think I might go just to check out the hardware-might be some interesting things showing up. Sat 12-6, Sun 1-7. RFK parking lot. Free food, drinks, T-shirts. Don't think I'll participate, but should be fun to watch-I'm betting at least one looped bike. Anyone want to ride in from Mclean area? Greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/15/99 HSTA/AMA 4:47:14 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 17:21:35 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28307 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA23231; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <36RDF70Z>; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:26:05 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427D4F330@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'hughc@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'DC-CYCLES'" Subject: RE: Starting my tour Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:26:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Go Hugh!!! RIDE HARD DIE FREE Just kidding, I have given up that battle cry since coming back East. OK, so maybe I do a little foolin' around--GT cager eat my dust! I now suffer from that sick pale of green, oh well, maybe the next time you go I'll be able to fly wing man. Best of luck and God's Speed, Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 17:28:29 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28412 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud77i (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA22089; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001f01becf08$5ba52470$7901a8c0@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt Senser" To: , "Greg Sachs" Cc: References: <852567AF.0074B693.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Subject: Re: This weekend Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:24:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I'd like to go too... If anyone has any ideas for places we can meet up, let me know. I think this should be fairly "interesting" hehe... Kirt 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Greg Sachs Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 5:14 PM Subject: Re: This weekend > I'd be interested in seeing that. Should be good for a few laughs. I live > in Manassas, but can meet up with others elsewhere in No. Va. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > cc: > From: Greg Sachs > Date: 07/15/99 08:47:14 PM GMT > Subject: This weekend > > > > > Is officially Squid dayz. Ruff Ryders(rap group for the older folks) are > looking for sportbike riders to go to RFK for a video shoot and do > burnouts, wheelies, and stoppies. I think I might go just to check out > the hardware-might be some interesting things showing up. Sat 12-6, Sun > 1-7. RFK parking lot. Free food, drinks, T-shirts. Don't think I'll > participate, but should be fun to watch-I'm betting at least one looped > bike. Anyone want to ride in from Mclean area? > Greg > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer > ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX > 7/15/99 HSTA/AMA 4:47:14 PM > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 17:37:22 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28613 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (216-164-236-137.s137.tnt12.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.236.137]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA25504; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 99 17:34:28 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: Re: This weekend To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, Kirt Senser Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 --- On Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:24:01 -0400 Kirt Senser wrote: >I'd like to go too... If anyone has any ideas for places we can meet up, >let me know. I think this should be fairly "interesting" hehe... > >Kirt >1996 CBR 600F3 SJR >Annandale, Va > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: Greg Sachs >Cc: >Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 5:14 PM >Subject: Re: This weekend > > >> I'd be interested in seeing that. Should be good for a few laughs. I live >> in Manassas, but can meet up with others elsewhere in No. Va. >> >> Chris Weaver >> '98 VTR 1000 >> >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> cc: >> From: Greg Sachs >> Date: 07/15/99 08:47:14 PM GMT >> Subject: This weekend >> >> >> >> >> Is officially Squid dayz. Ruff Ryders(rap group for the older folks) are >> looking for sportbike riders to go to RFK for a video shoot and do >> burnouts, wheelies, and stoppies. I think I might go just to check out >> the hardware-might be some interesting things showing up. Sat 12-6, Sun >> 1-7. RFK parking lot. Free food, drinks, T-shirts. Don't think I'll >> participate, but should be fun to watch-I'm betting at least one looped >> bike. Anyone want to ride in from Mclean area? >> Greg >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer >> ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX >> 7/15/99 HSTA/AMA 4:47:14 PM >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >> taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >> entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you >received >> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >> computer. >> >> > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/15/99 HSTA/AMA 5:34:28 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 17:38:32 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28623 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (216-164-236-137.s137.tnt12.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.236.137]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA25931; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 99 17:34:49 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: Re: This weekend To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, Kirt Senser Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 Someone just needs to suggest a time and place(I'd prefer Sat, personally,) I'm heading north Sunday for a HSTA ride. Anyone interested in that, drop me a line. Greg --- On Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:24:01 -0400 Kirt Senser wrote: >I'd like to go too... If anyone has any ideas for places we can meet up, >let me know. I think this should be fairly "interesting" hehe... > >Kirt >1996 CBR 600F3 SJR >Annandale, Va > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: Greg Sachs >Cc: >Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 5:14 PM >Subject: Re: This weekend > > >> I'd be interested in seeing that. Should be good for a few laughs. I live >> in Manassas, but can meet up with others elsewhere in No. Va. >> >> Chris Weaver >> '98 VTR 1000 >> >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> cc: >> From: Greg Sachs >> Date: 07/15/99 08:47:14 PM GMT >> Subject: This weekend >> >> >> >> >> Is officially Squid dayz. Ruff Ryders(rap group for the older folks) are >> looking for sportbike riders to go to RFK for a video shoot and do >> burnouts, wheelies, and stoppies. I think I might go just to check out >> the hardware-might be some interesting things showing up. Sat 12-6, Sun >> 1-7. RFK parking lot. Free food, drinks, T-shirts. Don't think I'll >> participate, but should be fun to watch-I'm betting at least one looped >> bike. Anyone want to ride in from Mclean area? >> Greg >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer >> ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX >> 7/15/99 HSTA/AMA 4:47:14 PM >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >> taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >> entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you >received >> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >> computer. >> >> > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/15/99 HSTA/AMA 5:34:49 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 18:31:22 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29729 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 18:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA23613; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 18:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <36RDF8CV>; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 18:35:35 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427D4F331@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'Troutman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: '83 Yamaha 550? Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 18:35:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Mike, Here are some URLs for XJs Picture pages http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/1020/xjpics.html XJ 550 picture page http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/1020/stacy.html To be honest I have no clue as to what other bikes were made in '83 by Yamahopper, but I love those early 80s air-cooled, in-line 4 power plants. I have my eyes out for a can-of-tuna/bandit or for the new KAW ZR-7 bike--plumbing is for houses. Good luck helping your friend, Mike Jay '82 XJ750RJ (hey, how about that) -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 3:12 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: '83 Yamaha 550? Anyone have, or have a pic of an '83 Yamaha 550? A friend is thinking about buying one from a distant co-worker for the grand sum of $500, but before he makes the trip out he wants to see what they look like. I scanned the search engines with no luck.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 19:27:24 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA00975 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 19:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 16 Jul 1999 02:26:34 UT Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:25 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:Chrome Kawasaki Message-ID: <19990715152729935-1a2cd289@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'd rather be caught riding a moped... Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Chrome Kawasaki Author: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Date: 7/15/99 2:52 PM A link from the dc sportbike squid site: http://zx-chrome.blood.com/ Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 20:22:25 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA02116 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:36:52 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:36:45 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:34:51 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Subject: '83 Yamaha 550? -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Not sure, but I don't think there were Seca 550s in '83, so it's probably a Maxim--don't Collin have one o' them? Joe From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 20:44:03 1999 Return-Path: garicao@XXXXXX Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (root@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA02613 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id UAA24365; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:42:58 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:42:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: JOE NAGY cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Subject: Re: '83 Yamaha 550? -Reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 550 Secas and Maxims 1981-3; 550 Visions 1982-3; XT-550 1982-3. --garcia On Thu, 15 Jul 1999, JOE NAGY wrote: > Not sure, but I don't think there were Seca 550s in '83, so it's > probably a Maxim--don't Collin have one o' them? > > Joe > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 20:55:28 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA02860 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA18283 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:55:25 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA25988 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id vSXCa26917 (4187); Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:54:11 EDT Subject: Sunday at RFK stadium To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: balt-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Ok heres the deal. I just bought my new 99 750 on tuesday and while at the dealership, the guy gave me a flier. Turns out on sunday from 1-7pm Double Platinum Productions will be filming a new sportbike video. They are inviting anyone with a sportbike to attend. Also, the Star Boys from OH, and the Ruff Ryders from NY will be there. Im sure its gonna be a handfull. If anyone is interested in going, I am leaving from Towson MD around noon (have to show up to work for atleast an hour). If you want to check out the details, the web address on the flier is WWW.DP2000.COM Sean... From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 15 21:18:44 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA03279 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA18346 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA26473 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (209-122-246-189.s570.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.246.189]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA18058; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 99 21:12:42 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: RE: Sunday at RFK stadium To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Yeah, as I said, should be squid central-the Star Boyz I sorta know from my past in cleveland, and they definately qualify. They released their self titled video at teh Cleveland Bike show, all burnouts, wheelies, top end runs on the roads near akron/cleveland. I'm heading down sat, probably be there about noon, not sure exactly though. --- On Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:54:11 EDT CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: >Ok heres the deal. I just bought my new 99 750 on tuesday and while at the >dealership, the guy gave me a flier. Turns out on sunday from 1-7pm Double >Platinum Productions will be filming a new sportbike video. They are >inviting anyone with a sportbike to attend. Also, the Star Boys from OH, and >the Ruff Ryders from NY will be there. Im sure its gonna be a handfull. >If anyone is interested in going, I am leaving from Towson MD around noon >(have to show up to work for atleast an hour). >If you want to check out the details, the web address on the flier is >WWW.DP2000.COM > >Sean... > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/15/99 HSTA/AMA 9:12:42 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 00:37:46 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm04sm.pmm.cw.net (pm04sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.98.153]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA06751 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 00:37:45 -0400 (EDT) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr51-dialup4.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.62.197.132]) by PM04SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35318) with SMTP id <0FEY00CV64TZHH@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 04:37:12 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 00:36:19 +0000 Subject: titles To: DC Cycles Message-id: <015701becf23$392fee00$84c53ea6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal I have a chance to buy a race bike, but it doesn't have a title. The person who has it now says he bought it from a guy in CA and it was registered there, but he didn't bother to get the title from him when he bought it. It sounds fishy to me, but was wondering if it's possible to re-title this bike in MD. Any way I could get the vin# run before I bought it so I don't get screwed? Just looking for some advice. Jon From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 01:35:39 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA08005 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 01:35:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id nSBBa23461 (4318); Fri, 16 Jul 1999 01:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8c6785af.24c01ce1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 01:28:01 EDT Subject: Two Brothers' Naked Hayabusa....cool! To: mike@XXXXXX, MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 http://www.twobros.com/hayabusa/rodan/rodan.html From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 01:40:19 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA08026 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 01:40:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2HMRa22677 (4318); Fri, 16 Jul 1999 01:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 01:35:38 EDT Subject: Man, sometimes you just half to laugh.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cbr@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Tonight I went out with some friends to indulge in certain libations, (I now being of the legal age to do so), and in my wanderings came across a seemingly organized posse of sportbikes parked out in front of a club. There was one Buell, a ZX?-R, a CBR900RR and 4, (count them 4!), R1's, all parked side by side. So I make a slight detour to take a look, and I have to surpress a chuckle; they all have chicken strips on them wider than the Mississippi! Yes, I'm sure you can make the argument against judging riders based on their bikes, (book by its cover, etc.)......but damn! Unless these guys all got there tires changed at the same time, or just got back from a long, group road trip, it was fairly pathetic. Even though the Brit-mags like to call my bike a "lorry" and the American mags says she has no "character", at least I know I can "ride" my bike. Hehehehheheheh...... -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 02:07:24 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA09198 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 02:07:22 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2RGKa04945 (4543) for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 02:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2e3f1c53.24c025e7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 02:06:31 EDT Subject: Re: Man, sometimes you just half to laugh.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 I think i can guess...but what are chicken strips? anything to do with BBQ sauce? ;D marcy In a message dated 7/16/99 1:45:06 AM, Eternity23@XXXXXX writes: <> From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 06:38:17 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA13449 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 06:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA25216; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 06:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <36RDF8NJ>; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 06:42:38 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427D4F335@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'dawn.jon@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: titles Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 06:42:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Jon, Run, do not walk, to the nearest exit. Who would spend thousands of dollars on a vechicle and would not "bother to get the title" for it? But, having only owned bikes and cars for the road, I know very little about the particulars. Still there is that little voice saying "Is this a HOT bike?" Moreover, in Virginia one can own a vehicle with a title, but to drive the vehicle on the road it must be registered. So, if I was buying a high-dollar motorcycle you would bet that I would seek a title for it. Proof of ownership is established by title, but registration gets the tags with month and year decals to allow legal road use. Maybe the local police would run the VIN through the works for you. Well, lots of verbiage with little fact, sorry. Best of luck, Mike '82 XJ750RJ -----Original Message----- From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX [mailto:dawn.jon@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 8:36 PM To: DC Cycles Subject: titles I have a chance to buy a race bike, but it doesn't have a title. The person who has it now says he bought it from a guy in CA and it was registered there, but he didn't bother to get the title from him when he bought it. It sounds fishy to me, but was wondering if it's possible to re-title this bike in MD. Any way I could get the vin# run before I bought it so I don't get screwed? Just looking for some advice. Jon From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 07:17:55 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA14123 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 07:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <3Y0S17JB>; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 04:17:45 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: titles Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 04:17:39 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > -----Original Message----- > I have a chance to buy a race bike, but it doesn't have a > title. This isn't really a big deal. My race-bike doesn't have a title (though purpose built race vehicles rarely do). It might be hot, it might not... I'd get the VIN numbers, have the police run them - and turn the bad boy in if it's a hot bike. If it's legal - about $100 will get you another title, you just need a bill of sale (I believe). Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 07:21:31 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA14202 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 07:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <381M2938>; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 04:21:26 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Sunday at RFK stadium Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 04:21:21 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I have nothing against the videos of DMX.. never seen the Star Boys... but why do I think that a stadium lot full of sportbikers who are there to do wheelies, burnouts and stoppies would be a BAD place to just 'sit and watch for a few laughs'? Sorry, I read things like this and think that I'd probably get to know the DCSportbike group pretty well if I showed up.... or I'd end up scraping all the morons off the pavement. I wonder if the local emergency services have scheduled for the chaos that'll occur. Ugh, for those of you brave enough to go... take a camera. I think I'll hide for the next few days. Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX [mailto:CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 8:54 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Sunday at RFK stadium > > > Ok heres the deal. I just bought my new 99 750 on tuesday and > while at the > dealership, the guy gave me a flier. Turns out on sunday from > 1-7pm Double > Platinum Productions will be filming a new sportbike video. They are > inviting anyone with a sportbike to attend. Also, the Star > Boys from OH, and > the Ruff Ryders from NY will be there. Im sure its gonna be a > handfull. > If anyone is interested in going, I am leaving from Towson MD > around noon > (have to show up to work for atleast an hour). > If you want to check out the details, the web address on the > flier is > WWW.DP2000.COM > > Sean... > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 08:37:20 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA15377 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 08:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FEY00J5PR16F3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:36:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta01.mcit.com (omzmta01.mcit.com [166.37.194.119]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA29693; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:35:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta01.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990716123641.YDDF19297@toddnt>; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:36:41 +0000 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 08:34:43 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Man, sometimes you just half to laugh.... In-reply-to: <2e3f1c53.24c025e7@aol.com> To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000101becf87$94eff140$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal I think Sean fat-fingered the keyboard and meant to type 'chicken stripes'. This is a term to describe the unused outer edges of ones tires, usually the rear. The wider 'stripe' can sometimes indicate a lack of interesting riding (never leans), cruising boulevards and highways, or just a brand new tire whose tread hasn't been fully explored yet. Wide chicken stripes on sportbikes is just a crying shame, and in some cases quite amusing. ;) Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX [mailto:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, July 16, 1999 2:07 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Man, sometimes you just half to laugh.... > > > I think i can guess...but what are chicken strips? anything to do > with BBQ > sauce? ;D > marcy > > In a message dated 7/16/99 1:45:06 AM, Eternity23@XXXXXX writes: > > < Mississippi! >> > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 09:10:45 1999 Return-Path: NickKaiho@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16348 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:10:44 -0400 (EDT) From: NickKaiho@XXXXXX Received: from NickKaiho@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2UZAa06608 (7990) for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4d0b5756.24c0892a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:10:02 EDT Subject: ducati mechanic? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Anyone know of any ducati mechanics in the tysons corner area? Colemon Powersports neglected to tell me that i'd have to go all the way to Woodbridge everytime I need my bike looked at.. grrrrrr! -Nick From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 09:27:44 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16710 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA21095 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA12420 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA19370 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:27:26 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990716092603.01a9a9b0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:27:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Maxim pic found Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The bike is an 83 Maxim 550. Thanks for all of the links and information. I didn't know it was a Maxim when I originally posted, so I was on the search engines with "Yamaha 550" and the like. (with no luck) Thanks again. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 09:30:41 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16794 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:30:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA21136 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:30:38 -0400 (EDT) From: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA12528 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from OsbornKev@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id vKBKa29988 (527); Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:30:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <360560a3.24c08de7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:30:15 EDT Subject: Re: Sunday at RFK stadium To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: balt-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 18 Sounds like it could be a good time. Count me in on Sunday. I live in Bowie, so may we can set up a meeting spot for Marylanders in Greenbelt and head on down. If we can get a count I pick an official meeting place. - KO From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 10:43:24 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA17920 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:42:26 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:42:23 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:41:08 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: Eternity23@XXXXXX, MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Subject: Two Brothers' Naked Hayabusa....cool! -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Holy crap! Nasty (and I mean that in a good way) Joe From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 11:04:38 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18272 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:04:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2HTVa08414 (4320) for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <27598966.24c0a3c7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:03:35 EDT Subject: Fwd: titles To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_27598966.24c0a3c7_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 --part1_27598966.24c0a3c7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_27598966.24c0a3c7_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: Boiade@XXXXXX From: Boiade@XXXXXX Full-name: Boia de Message-ID: <27598966.24c0a392@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:02:42 EDT Subject: Re: titles To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 My racebike doesn't have a title either, it hardly has a VIN, just a few numbers on a race-only frame. Ciao, Fred --part1_27598966.24c0a3c7_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 11:05:30 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18351 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA21826 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:05:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA15019 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id vWWBa06209 (4320); Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:04:53 EDT Subject: Re: Sunday at RFK stadium To: OsbornKev@XXXXXX, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: balt-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 In a message dated 7/16/99 9:35:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, OsbornKev@XXXXXX writes: << Count me in on Sunday. I live in Bowie, so may we can set up a meeting spot for Marylanders in Greenbelt and head on down. If we can get a count I pick an official meeting place. >> How about Borders in Bowie on rte 50 at noon? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 11:06:56 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18370 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <3Y0S10LK>; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 08:06:47 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: *Caution* Falling Objects.. Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 08:06:40 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) So.. Jeannette.... Going to start taking an umbrella with you on the bike? *chuckle* From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 11:56:28 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f93.hotmail.com [209.185.131.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA19085 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 38921 invoked by uid 0); 16 Jul 1999 15:55:54 -0000 Message-ID: <19990716155554.38920.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.229.31.22 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 08:55:54 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.229.31.22] Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX From: "Leon Begeman" To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Man, sometimes you just half to laugh.... Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 08:55:54 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I got a chance to look at the tires on my ZX6 last night. When I let Collin use it last weekend, it had what Craig Johnston called the most squared off front tire he had ever seen. I'm now pleased to report that the tires look like they've been subjected to a 'three-angle' shaving. They have a wide flat spot in the middle and two slightly narrower flat spots on either side. No wonder you guys buy tires all the time. Leon - with significantly narrower chicken stripes. >From: Todd Peer >To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Man, sometimes you just half to laugh.... >Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 08:34:43 -0400 > >I think Sean fat-fingered the keyboard and meant to type 'chicken stripes'. >This is a term to describe the unused outer edges of ones tires, usually >the >rear. The wider 'stripe' can sometimes indicate a lack of interesting >riding (never leans), cruising boulevards and highways, or just a brand new >tire whose tread hasn't been fully explored yet. > >Wide chicken stripes on sportbikes is just a crying shame, and in some >cases >quite amusing. > >;) > >Todd > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX [mailto:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, July 16, 1999 2:07 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Man, sometimes you just half to laugh.... > > > > > > I think i can guess...but what are chicken strips? anything to do > > with BBQ > > sauce? ;D > > marcy > > > > In a message dated 7/16/99 1:45:06 AM, Eternity23@XXXXXX writes: > > > > < > Mississippi! >> > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 12:32:13 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19790 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (216-164-229-226.s480.tnt8.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.229.226]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA01991; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 99 12:27:49 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: Re: This weekend To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, Kirt Senser Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 Looks like Nick of the 748 and I are meeting at 11:30 Sat. at the Starbucks in downtown Mclean, for anyone interested in joining us. This is just beside the intersection of chainbridge and old dominion. Head into RFK from there. greg --- On Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:24:01 -0400 Kirt Senser wrote: >I'd like to go too... If anyone has any ideas for places we can meet up, >let me know. I think this should be fairly "interesting" hehe... > >Kirt >1996 CBR 600F3 SJR >Annandale, Va > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: Greg Sachs >Cc: >Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 5:14 PM >Subject: Re: This weekend > > >> I'd be interested in seeing that. Should be good for a few laughs. I live >> in Manassas, but can meet up with others elsewhere in No. Va. >> >> Chris Weaver >> '98 VTR 1000 >> >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> cc: >> From: Greg Sachs >> Date: 07/15/99 08:47:14 PM GMT >> Subject: This weekend >> >> >> >> >> Is officially Squid dayz. Ruff Ryders(rap group for the older folks) are >> looking for sportbike riders to go to RFK for a video shoot and do >> burnouts, wheelies, and stoppies. I think I might go just to check out >> the hardware-might be some interesting things showing up. Sat 12-6, Sun >> 1-7. RFK parking lot. Free food, drinks, T-shirts. Don't think I'll >> participate, but should be fun to watch-I'm betting at least one looped >> bike. Anyone want to ride in from Mclean area? >> Greg >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer >> ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX >> 7/15/99 HSTA/AMA 4:47:14 PM >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or >> taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >> entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you >received >> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any >> computer. >> >> > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/16/99 HSTA/AMA 12:27:49 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 12:46:01 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA20047 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA22585 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA17978 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA19760 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:45:45 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990716124454.01bf3f10@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 12:45:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Wes's last words Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Wes finally had his court date. He is the one that got run over by an older lady at Rolling Thunder. >Anyway, great news. Today was the old lady's court date. It was >originally in June, but one of her grandchildren was graduating from high >school in Minnesota or something so she got it continued. > >I got to the courthouse a little early, and about 10 minutes later 2 old >ladies (one more so) came & sat down next to me. I was pretty sure one of >them had to be the one that ran me down. I was right. I just listened to >them talk, recipes and stuff. The one that hit me has to walk with a cane >(hey -- just like me!) and reminds me very much of my grandmothers. Except >my grandma didn't hit me with a car. I was reading a motorcycle magazine >when they sat down (Rider), examining an article comparing the BMW R1100GS >to the new Triumph Tiger. I'm having a hard time deciding which one I'll get. > >Sat through most of the docket -- the cop on my case was next-to-last on >the list, so it took over an hour to even get to him. The judge, a >40-something woman, was hilarious. She kept the courtroom laughing in >between cases. She did have several humorless moments, such as when she >was lecturing a 20 year old kid about trying to evade a police car. Now >this was an interesting case. Guy on a moped, not wearing a helmet, with a >rag sticking out of the gas tank. Hmmm...cop hits the lights, guy on moped >tries to escape at 23 mph. Through a library parking lot. Cop finally had >to cut him off, at which time he wrecked the moped. Which he stole. The >judge got on him hard about not wearing a helmet, so I knew my old lady was >gonna get it. > >By the way, if you ever get a ticket and have to go to court, my advice >would be to do it. There were three cases that involved having an expired >inspection sticker. One guy got his car inspected 5 days after the ticket, >fine suspended. Another guy got his car inspected about 2 weeks ago (and >registered), $25 fine. The last guy didn't bother to show up, $250 fine. Hmm. > >Anyway, the old woman pled guilty, as I knew she would. I went because I >really needed to hear her say it and explain what she thought happened. >The cop on my case told the judge his report -- defendant failed to yield >the right of way, resulting in her hitting a motorcycle, which resulted in >a serious injury to the rider and significant damage to the bike (he said >he thought it was totalled and he wasn't far from right). > >So the judge asks her what she has to say. She was going to her doctor >appointment, the sun got in her eyes and she didn't see me. She said, and >I quote, "I looked toward the curve and I didn't see him." Well, that >would be because I wasn't in the curve, I was 50 feet away from her in a >straightaway. > >The judge pronounced her guilty and levied a $75 fine, which is $40 more >than the run-of-the-mill Failure to Yield fine. She'll get a -4 point >thing on her license which drops her to +1. Plus she can't get any >plus-points for 3 years. > >I don't know if she's still driving. She had someone (another old lady) >drive her to court. Maybe next time she has a dr. appointment, she'll do >the same. > >Emotionally, I feel much better having heard her lame-ass story. Even >though she made excuses about not seeing me, the judge was not very >sympathetic. The judge said, "These kinds of things we NEED to see so >people can stay healthy." I feel pretty well vindicated. I'm still a >little bitter about getting run over, but hell, I wanted to get a new >motorcycle anyway. > >Well, not really, but ... :) > >(no change on the PT front) > >--wes ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 13:10:12 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20455 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud77i (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id NAA21054; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <02a701becfad$67a4d4a0$7901a8c0@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt Senser" To: "Greg Sachs" , Cc: , References: Subject: Re: This weekend Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:05:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Could you give me approximate directions. I'd really like to check this out. Does anybody want to go on Sunday too? Kirt 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va > Looks like Nick of the 748 and I are meeting at 11:30 Sat. at the > Starbucks in downtown Mclean, for anyone interested in joining us. This > is just beside the intersection of chainbridge and old dominion. Head > into RFK from there. > greg > --- On Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:24:01 -0400 Kirt Senser > wrote: > > >I'd like to go too... If anyone has any ideas for places we can meet > up, > >let me know. I think this should be fairly "interesting" hehe... > > > >Kirt > >1996 CBR 600F3 SJR > >Annandale, Va > > > > > > > > > >> I'd be interested in seeing that. Should be good for a few laughs. I > live > >> in Manassas, but can meet up with others elsewhere in No. Va. > >> > >> Chris Weaver > >> '98 VTR 1000 > >> > >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >> cc: > >> From: Greg Sachs > >> Date: 07/15/99 08:47:14 PM GMT > >> Subject: This weekend > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Is officially Squid dayz. Ruff Ryders(rap group for the older folks) are > >> looking for sportbike riders to go to RFK for a video shoot and do > >> burnouts, wheelies, and stoppies. I think I might go just to check out > >> the hardware-might be some interesting things showing up. Sat 12-6, Sun > >> 1-7. RFK parking lot. Free food, drinks, T-shirts. Don't think I'll > >> participate, but should be fun to watch-I'm betting at least one looped > >> bike. Anyone want to ride in from Mclean area? > >> Greg > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > >> > >> Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer > >> ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX > >> 7/15/99 HSTA/AMA 4:47:14 PM > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > >> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > >> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > >> taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > >> entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > >received > >> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > >> computer. > >> > >> > > > > > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer > ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX > 7/16/99 HSTA/AMA 12:27:49 PM > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 14:01:00 1999 Return-Path: rmartin@XXXXXX Received: from pendragon.ct.rr.com (pendragon.ct.rr.com [204.189.87.90]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA21319 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bubba.roadrunner ([24.30.215.64]) by pendragon.ct.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 0-53939U80000L80000S0V35) with SMTP id com; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:01:20 -0400 Message-ID: <003201becfb5$ac86d3e0$b20415ac@bubba.roadrunner> From: rmartin@XXXXXX (Martin, Richard) To: , "Greg Sachs" , Cc: , Subject: Re: [cbr] Re: This weekend Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:04:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Let me know. I live in Manassas. I'd love to go. Rick Martin Laboratory Engineer Road Runner 13241 Woodland Park Rd. Herndon, VA 20171 (703) 345-3499 Fax: (703) 345-3556 -----Original Message----- From: Kirt Senser To: Greg Sachs ; christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ; cbr@XXXXXX Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 1:11 PM Subject: [cbr] Re: This weekend >Could you give me approximate directions. I'd really like to check this >out. Does anybody want to go on Sunday too? > >Kirt >1996 CBR 600F3 SJR >Annandale, Va > > > > >> Looks like Nick of the 748 and I are meeting at 11:30 Sat. at the >> Starbucks in downtown Mclean, for anyone interested in joining us. This >> is just beside the intersection of chainbridge and old dominion. Head >> into RFK from there. >> greg >> --- On Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:24:01 -0400 Kirt Senser >> wrote: >> >> >I'd like to go too... If anyone has any ideas for places we can meet >> up, >> >let me know. I think this should be fairly "interesting" hehe... >> > >> >Kirt >> >1996 CBR 600F3 SJR >> >Annandale, Va >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> I'd be interested in seeing that. Should be good for a few laughs. I >> live >> >> in Manassas, but can meet up with others elsewhere in No. Va. >> >> >> >> Chris Weaver >> >> '98 VTR 1000 >> >> >> >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> >> cc: >> >> From: Greg Sachs >> >> Date: 07/15/99 08:47:14 PM GMT >> >> Subject: This weekend >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Is officially Squid dayz. Ruff Ryders(rap group for the older folks) >are >> >> looking for sportbike riders to go to RFK for a video shoot and do >> >> burnouts, wheelies, and stoppies. I think I might go just to check out >> >> the hardware-might be some interesting things showing up. Sat 12-6, >Sun >> >> 1-7. RFK parking lot. Free food, drinks, T-shirts. Don't think I'll >> >> participate, but should be fun to watch-I'm betting at least one looped >> >> bike. Anyone want to ride in from Mclean area? >> >> Greg >> >> >> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - >- >> >> >> >> Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer >> >> ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX >> >> 7/15/99 HSTA/AMA 4:47:14 PM >> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - >- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity >to >> >> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >> >> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, >or >> >> taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >> >> entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you >> >received >> >> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from >any >> >> computer. >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> -----------------End of Original Message----------------- >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >> Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer >> ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX >> 7/16/99 HSTA/AMA 12:27:49 PM >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >> >> > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 14:18:04 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA21625 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:16:55 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:16:52 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:14:52 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ges6@XXXXXX Subject: This weekend -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Could someone send me that link for the RFK/Squid deal? thanks Joe From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 14:54:39 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA22320 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:54:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wsdellud77i (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id OAA10586; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <030501becfbc$0944d5e0$7901a8c0@spg.va.corp.rcn.net> From: "Kirt Senser" To: "Martin, Richard" Cc: , References: <005501becfb9$0bfecd20$b20415ac@bubba.roadrunner> Subject: Re: [cbr] Re: This weekend Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:50:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Does anyone have a camcorder and/or Video Capture card??? I'd really like to get some footage of the Star Boyz (and everyone else, and hopefully me!!!) to put up on my website. Kirt 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin, Richard To: Kirt Senser Sent: Friday, July 16, 1999 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [cbr] Re: This weekend > Saturday might work > > I can let you know for sure later tonight > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirt Senser > To: Martin, Richard > Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 2:23 PM > Subject: Re: [cbr] Re: This weekend > > > >Which day did you want to go? I'm seriously thinking about going both days > >if Saturday is fun. Let me know ASAP... > > > >Kirt > >1996 CBR 600F3 SJR > >Annandale, Va > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Martin, Richard > >To: ; Greg Sachs ; > > > >Cc: ; > >Sent: Friday, July 16, 1999 2:04 PM > >Subject: Re: [cbr] Re: This weekend > > > > > >> Let me know. I live in Manassas. I'd love to go. > >> > >> Rick Martin > >> Laboratory Engineer > >> > >> Road Runner > >> 13241 Woodland Park Rd. > >> Herndon, VA 20171 > >> (703) 345-3499 > >> Fax: (703) 345-3556 > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Kirt Senser > >> To: Greg Sachs ; christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > >> > >> Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ; cbr@XXXXXX > >> > >> Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 1:11 PM > >> Subject: [cbr] Re: This weekend > >> > >> > >> >Could you give me approximate directions. I'd really like to check this > >> >out. Does anybody want to go on Sunday too? > >> > > >> >Kirt > >> >1996 CBR 600F3 SJR > >> >Annandale, Va > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> Looks like Nick of the 748 and I are meeting at 11:30 Sat. at the > >> >> Starbucks in downtown Mclean, for anyone interested in joining us. > >This > >> >> is just beside the intersection of chainbridge and old dominion. Head > >> >> into RFK from there. > >> >> greg > >> >> --- On Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:24:01 -0400 Kirt Senser > > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >I'd like to go too... If anyone has any ideas for places we can meet > >> >> up, > >> >> >let me know. I think this should be fairly "interesting" hehe... > >> >> > > >> >> >Kirt > >> >> >1996 CBR 600F3 SJR > >> >> >Annandale, Va > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> I'd be interested in seeing that. Should be good for a few laughs. > I > >> >> live > >> >> >> in Manassas, but can meet up with others elsewhere in No. Va. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Chris Weaver > >> >> >> '98 VTR 1000 > >> >> >> > >> >> >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >> >> >> cc: > >> >> >> From: Greg Sachs > >> >> >> Date: 07/15/99 08:47:14 PM GMT > >> >> >> Subject: This weekend > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Is officially Squid dayz. Ruff Ryders(rap group for the older > >folks) > >> >are > >> >> >> looking for sportbike riders to go to RFK for a video shoot and do > >> >> >> burnouts, wheelies, and stoppies. I think I might go just to check > >> out > >> >> >> the hardware-might be some interesting things showing up. Sat > 12-6, > >> >Sun > >> >> >> 1-7. RFK parking lot. Free food, drinks, T-shirts. Don't think > >I'll > >> >> >> participate, but should be fun to watch-I'm betting at least one > >> looped > >> >> >> bike. Anyone want to ride in from Mclean area? > >> >> >> Greg > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> > >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > >> - > >> >- > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer > >> >> >> ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX > >> >> >> 7/15/99 HSTA/AMA 4:47:14 PM > >> >> > >> > >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > >> - > >> >- > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or > >entity > >> >to > >> >> >> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or > privileged > >> >> >> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use > >of, > >> >or > >> >> >> taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons > >or > >> >> >> entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > >> >> >received > >> >> >> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material > >from > >> >any > >> >> >> computer. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> -----------------End of Original Message----------------- > >> >> > >> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > - > >> - > >> >> Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer > >> >> ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX > >> >> 7/16/99 HSTA/AMA 12:27:49 PM > >> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > - > >> - > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 16:00:47 1999 Return-Path: djones@XXXXXX Received: from inetmail3.bigyellow.com ([167.241.105.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA23567 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:00:46 -0400 (EDT) From: djones@XXXXXX Received: from inetmail2.bigyellow.com ([167.241.105.101]) by inetmail3.bigyellow.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2607.0) id N906FLCB; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:00:43 -0400 Received: from Lynsmtp1.bigyellow.com (LYNSMTP1 [167.241.105.221]) by inetmail2.bigyellow.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id N9N82J3H; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:00:44 -0400 Received: by Lynsmtp1.bigyellow.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852567B0.006DEC49 ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:00:39 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: NIRC To: thunderacelist@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567B0.006D7CEA.00@Lynsmtp1.bigyellow.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 15:59:38 -0400 Subject: Helmet Music & CD Player Hey Guys, I need to know what the best head-set/cd player is out there. I went on a 500 mile trip last week & some nice music on this trip would've been very cool indeed. Thanks, DJ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 16:37:30 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24205 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA20311 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:37:26 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990716161807.01be5860@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:37:00 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Helmet Music & CD Player In-Reply-To: <852567B0.006D7CEA.00@Lynsmtp1.bigyellow.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:59 PM 7/16/99 , djones@XXXXXX wrote: >Hey Guys, > >I need to know what the best head-set/cd player is out there. I went on a >500 mile trip last week & some nice music on this trip would've been very >cool indeed. Someone tell me a good set of speakers to insert into the helmet! I tried in-ear headphones, but they fall out...tried in-ear with ear-clips, they hurt going on and off. I guess I should shell out the money for a good communicator with a line-in jack.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org As far as I can tell, I am immortal until proven wrong. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 16:48:47 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24398 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (209-122-216-180.s180.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.216.180]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA10418; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 99 16:14:52 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: Re: This weekend (directions To: Kirt Senser , Grant Heffernan , rmartin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 Sure. In no particular order, from Reston/Herndon, jump on the dulles access road East to 123 East(or North, into Mclean) Take this to Old dominion, and go right on Old dom. Take old dominion to Chain bridge, go right on chain bridge and pass the bank and 7-11. The starbucks is on your right next to the 7-11. (200ft from intersection) >From Annendale, head up 495 to 123 East/North(to Mclean) and follow the directions above. >From Manassas, Take 66 East to 495, take 495 North and follow above directions. We'll head in about 11:45 I'd figure. so try and be there 11:30 greg --- On Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:05:28 -0400 Kirt Senser wrote: >Could you give me approximate directions. I'd really like to check this >out. Does anybody want to go on Sunday too? > >Kirt >1996 CBR 600F3 SJR >Annandale, Va > > > > >> Looks like Nick of the 748 and I are meeting at 11:30 Sat. at the >> Starbucks in downtown Mclean, for anyone interested in joining us. This >> is just beside the intersection of chainbridge and old dominion. Head >> into RFK from there. >> greg >> --- On Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:24:01 -0400 Kirt Senser >> wrote: >> >> >I'd like to go too... If anyone has any ideas for places we can meet >> up, >> >let me know. I think this should be fairly "interesting" hehe... >> > >> >Kirt >> >1996 CBR 600F3 SJR >> >Annandale, Va >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> I'd be interested in seeing that. Should be good for a few laughs. I >> live >> >> in Manassas, but can meet up with others elsewhere in No. Va. >> >> >> >> Chris Weaver >> >> '98 VTR 1000 >> >> >> >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> >> cc: >> >> From: Greg Sachs >> >> Date: 07/15/99 08:47:14 PM GMT >> >> Subject: This weekend >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Is officially Squid dayz. Ruff Ryders(rap group for the older folks) >are >> >> looking for sportbike riders to go to RFK for a video shoot and do >> >> burnouts, wheelies, and stoppies. I think I might go just to check out >> >> the hardware-might be some interesting things showing up. Sat 12-6, >Sun >> >> 1-7. RFK parking lot. Free food, drinks, T-shirts. Don't think I'll >> >> participate, but should be fun to watch-I'm betting at least one looped >> >> bike. Anyone want to ride in from Mclean area? >> >> Greg >> >> >> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- >> >> >> >> Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer >> >> ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX >> >> 7/15/99 HSTA/AMA 4:47:14 PM >> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity >to >> >> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged >> >> material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, >or >> >> taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or >> >> entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you >> >received >> >> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from >any >> >> computer. >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> -----------------End of Original Message----------------- >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer >> ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX >> 7/16/99 HSTA/AMA 12:27:49 PM >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/16/99 HSTA/AMA 4:14:52 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 17:11:46 1999 Return-Path: nighthawk700@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web302.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.184]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA24746 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 17:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990716211139.7402.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.70.70.54] by web302.yahoomail.com; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 17:11:39 EDT Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 17:11:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Sounds like discrimination to me... To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My auto insurance policy is up for renewal soon, and I received something in the mail today from AIG (Auto Insurance Program) about how they have competetive rates. I figured, what the heck, might as well give them a try. After I gave the the info on my car, I mentioned I had a motorcycle and wanted to see if they provide insurance for the bike. Not only will they not provide insurance for the motorcycle, but because I ride a motorcycle, they won't even give me insurance for my car!!! When I asked why, she just kept repeating that it is their policy not to provide insurance (auto or otherwise) to drivers who ride motorcycles. Talk about your black list!! Think this might be something the AMA would be interested in knowing? Louis Caplan Motorcycle rider, and Damn proud of it! === Louis Caplan Alexandria, VA 1998 Kawasaki Concours 11th place, Capitol 1000 "Mean Green Scream Machine" Proud Sponsor of Joe Denton http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 18:08:52 1999 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@[207.124.52.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA25707 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:08:47 -0400 (EDT) From: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from jnewman ([192.168.13.162]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA04861 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 17:11:25 -0400 Message-Id: <199907162111.RAA04861@bmdo.mcri.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:04:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Switch Me to Digest Version Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Dear Person, Please Switch Me to the Digest Version. Thanks From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 18:41:55 1999 Return-Path: RNCMARTIN@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26225 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (216-164-242-19.s273.tnt10.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.242.19]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id SAA09323; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <378FB5C3.1662@erols.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:44:19 -0400 From: Rick & Cheryl Martin Reply-To: RNCMARTIN@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KC032698 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Sachs CC: Kirt Senser , Grant Heffernan , rmartin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: This weekend (directions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How long are you guys going to hang out before leaving???? I'd like to meet you guys even though I can't go in to town with you. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 18:50:41 1999 Return-Path: harris@XXXXXX Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26457 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (pm7h-30.his.com [209.67.210.30]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA15746 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990716184703.008f0320@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:47:03 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: av gas In-Reply-To: <1312e17b.24be8ebf@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:09 PM 7/14/99 EDT, NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: >Also, I suppose your race engines were disassembled and cleaned >redularly? You clearly don't know Team Charm (two time winner of MARRC's Ugliest bike award) very well...:-) We had one FZR600 engine that did a 24 hour race in '93, the following two seasons of sprint racing & sporadic endurance events, all without the head coming off. Leakdown never dropped below 5%. Eventually I traded the engine to Chris Eklund for a bunch of EX500 parts & started racing those. That particular engine had about 200 or so hours on it. No lead fouling problems. Of the engines we've torn down (usually only when they broke) we also have never found any lead fouling problems. I raced a couple of seasons using 100LL in my two stroke 250, again, no problems. It is true that a racing engine gets run harder than a street engine, but I'm can state with 100% confidence, AvGas never hurt my engines & has save me a lot of $. Rich used the powermist stuff because it made more power on the dyno. My bike did not. Back in the early 90's we tried buying tetra-ethyl lead & mixing the fuel our selves for a while. Then the EPA stopped letting us buy it. One other data point to consider; my lawn mower (bought used, won't start) has run almost exclusively on left over fuel from my various race bikes. I have a 1/2 acre. I've changed the oil on it twice since '92. I've never changed the plug. I would imagine if it would have lead fouled it would have done so by now. But like I said before, none of this really matters if your engine does not need the extra knock resistance. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 19:02:01 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (root@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA26657; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 19:01:58 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA00969; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:58:45 -0400 To: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Unsub for some time Message-ID: <19990716185844.A965@kleks.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i Harry, thanks fro all your efforts - dc-cycles is a great place to be. Could you please unsubscribe me for some time - I am leaving for vacations, so no need for wear and tear on electrons... Most likely I am subbed as zbig@XXXXXX or as zbig@XXXXXX - look for zbig, it is unique enough... dc-cyclers - keep on riding; I am going for a few weeks of vacations and training one after another; I should be back around mid-August. Keep rubber down.. _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 19:25:35 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1101.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA27065 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 19:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990716232441.2018.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [152.204.251.190] by web1101.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 19:24:41 EDT Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 19:24:41 -0400 (EDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sounds like discrimination to me... To: "Louis F. Caplan" , DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: > Not only will they not provide insurance for the > motorcycle, but because I ride > a motorcycle, they won't even give me insurance for > my car!!! When I asked > why, she just kept repeating that it is their policy > not to provide insurance > (auto or otherwise) to drivers who ride motorcycles. > Talk about your black > list!! > > Think this might be something the AMA would be > interested in knowing? YES. You should definitely get in touch with them. What a stupid policy. It's funny, I used to have auto insurance through them, a policy I got before owning a bike (thus never asked about the bike & got blackballed like you). I wish I still did so I could cancel it. Or make them cancel it by confessing my 2-wheeled ways. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 22:39:36 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00316 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:39:34 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 7DFVa21802 (367); Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9d697278.24c146a4@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:38:28 EDT Subject: Re: Helmet Music & CD Player To: djones@XXXXXX, thunderacelist@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 In a message dated 7/16/1999 4:10:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, djones@XXXXXX writes: << Hey Guys, I need to know what the best head-set/cd player is out there. I went on a 500 mile trip last week & some nice music on this trip would've been very cool indeed. Thanks, DJ >> Can't recommend a CD player but, I have one of those Sony Sport Walkman radios that works pretty well. It's digital and curved and is supposed to strap around your upper arm. I strap mine around my upper leg so that I can reach it while I ride. I mainly use it when I ride home to Pennsylvania. With the five pre-sets, I have a station set for the entire route. I also bought a set of those ear-buds that go in your ear. They have a piece that comes up over the top of your ear and holds them in place when you put your helmet on. If you want to check it out, here's the url for their site: http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/ss5/portable/walkmanrtmstereos/sportswalk manrtmradio-only/srf-m78.shtml It actually picks up pretty good for a walkman on a motorcycle. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 22:43:10 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00394 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:43:08 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id rFBLa19817 (367); Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:40:00 EDT Subject: Re: Sounds like discrimination to me... To: nighthawk700@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 In a message dated 7/16/1999 5:17:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nighthawk700@XXXXXX writes: << Think this might be something the AMA would be interested in knowing? Louis Caplan Motorcycle rider, and Damn proud of it! >> I would think so. They'll run'em outta business for that. Sic'em AMA. Grrrrrrrrr. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 23:34:35 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA01308 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 23:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.136]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 23:24:16 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Louis F. Caplan" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 23:26:01 -0400 Message-ID: <001501bed004$1846eae0$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990716211139.7402.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Definitely. One of the current big initiatives of the AMA is to get the right gov't body to get off of their collective duffs, and write the rules that match part of the 1996 bill (HIPAA??) that should curtail this sort of BS. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > Think this might be something the AMA would be interested in knowing? From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 16 23:38:27 1999 Return-Path: MOTO748@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA01387 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 23:38:26 -0400 (EDT) From: MOTO748@XXXXXX Received: from MOTO748@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2ZYIa21098 (8013) for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 23:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <768599c.24c1547a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 23:37:30 EDT Subject: Ducati Mechanic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Rick, Saw your inquiry regarding ducati service. Don't waste your time with Coleman's. Batley Cycles is up in Gaithersburg and I have no problem reccomending them. Not to plug any sponsors but......Moto Europa in Richmond has a fantastic Ducati mechanic by the name of Chris and he works wonders on four valvers. Take it from a guy who knows, if you find a dealer/mechanic you like and trust you'll be happy to drive hours to get your bike serviced there. I've got both Ducs there now or I'd be joining you this weekend. Have fun and think of me once when you twist the throttle. jeff Moto Europa (804)355-0550 From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 17 01:42:44 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA03313 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 01:42:43 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2FJIa21756 (14441) for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 01:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 01:41:38 EDT Subject: Re: Sounds like discrimination to me... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 is that even legal??? just so you know - I worked for a division of AIG for a time and that company is one of the biggest ins. co in the world... corporate culture was VERY stuffy... Marcy In a message dated 7/16/99 5:17:49 PM, nighthawk700@XXXXXX writes: >Not only will they not provide insurance for the motorcycle, but because >I ride >a motorcycle, they won't even give me insurance for my car!!! From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 17 01:45:36 1999 Return-Path: kamuelle@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA03402 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 01:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ewiley (209-122-216-223.s223.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.216.223]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA04635 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 01:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990717014527.00919d00@mail.vt.edu> X-Sender: kamuelle@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 01:45:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: karl Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... In-Reply-To: <001501bed004$1846eae0$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> References: <19990716211139.7402.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Well, rather than get the government involved, let your money do the talking. All you need to tell them is "thank you for having that silly policy, I will take my business to a company who thinks that I am responsible enough to ride safely, and I will tell all my friends to do the same." I mean, when I was 16, I paid more than twice what I did when I turned 18, then I will pay 1/2 that when I turn 25. It's simple buisness sense, they are less likely to insure groups that statistically have (or cause) more accidents. And many of our 2 wheeled brethern don't share the same concern for safety that we do (*cough*squids). So yes, if you're going to complain about discrimination against motorcyclists, just remember how much teens pay for insurance. Cheers! Karl p.s. for those of you who have USAA, you know that it is _cheaper_ to insure a motorcycle than a car, and you realize that i was BS'ing a bit about my rates :) At 11:26 PM 7/16/99 -0400, you wrote: >Definitely. > >One of the current big initiatives of the AMA is to get the right gov't body >to get off of their collective duffs, and write the rules that match part of >the 1996 bill (HIPAA??) that should curtail this sort of BS. > >---------------------------------------- >-George Howell >ghowell@XXXXXX >ghowell@XXXXXX >georgehowell@XXXXXX >"I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > >> Think this might be something the AMA would be interested in knowing? > > From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 17 03:25:45 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA05742 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 03:25:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (209-122-239-82.s336.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.239.82]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA22360; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 03:25:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kirt Senser" To: , Subject: Where are we meeting again??? Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 03:23:53 -0000 Message-ID: <01bed003$cbcad6e0$52ef7ad1@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0136_01BED003.CBCAD6E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0136_01BED003.CBCAD6E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Long night...accidently deleted message with directions to McLean = Starbucks... Please refresh my memory. Kirt (excited to see some wheelies and stuff tomorrow) 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va ------=_NextPart_000_0136_01BED003.CBCAD6E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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1996 CBR 600F3 SJR
Annandale, = Va
------=_NextPart_000_0136_01BED003.CBCAD6E0-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 17 12:26:59 1999 Return-Path: blasalle@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA18246 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 12:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bellatlantic.net (client-151-200-119-80.bellatlantic.net [151.200.119.80]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA12687 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 12:25:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3790ADC5.1267D6BB@bellatlantic.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 12:22:29 -0400 From: Brian & Christa LaSalle Reply-To: blasalle@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Sunday's running of the squids Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Count me in for Sunday also...See you at Borders @ Noon. Brian Yellow Nighthawk << Count me in on Sunday. I live in Bowie, so may we can set up a meeting spot for Marylanders in Greenbelt and head on down. If we can get a count I pick an official meeting place. >> How about Borders in Bowie on rte 50 at noon? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 17 12:49:22 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA18626 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 12:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA28470 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 12:49:19 -0400 (EDT) From: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA20128 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 12:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from OsbornKev@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id jAHHa13547 (3959); Sat, 17 Jul 1999 12:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 12:48:59 EDT Subject: Re: Sunday at RFK stadium To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, Boiade@XXXXXX, blasalle@XXXXXX, f4rider@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 24 Looks like we have confirmed 5 for Sunday's ride to RFK. Fred, Brian, Brad, Sean and myself plus anyone else who may respond today or just show up. It looks like the majority live in PG County so, per Fred's suggestion, lets meet at Borders in Bowie. Fred, can you provide directions? Sean is coming from Baltimore. Also, since a couple of guys can't make it at noon lets meet at 1:00. That still should give us a good day. Gotta go clean up the bike a little. - Kevin From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 17 14:41:08 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA20322 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 14:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA28780 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 14:41:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA21234 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 14:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id jYXIa06136 (4232); Sat, 17 Jul 1999 14:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6a390b51.24c22819@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 14:40:25 EDT Subject: Re: Sunday at RFK stadium To: OsbornKev@XXXXXX, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, blasalle@XXXXXX, f4rider@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Borders in Bowie is just South of the Route 50/Route 301 interchange, on Route 301 Southbound side. You will see an Exxon Station and if you are coming from the north (on 301) you would turn right at the Exxon. Coming from the south you would turn left at the Exxon. One o'clock is ok by me. Ciao, fred From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 17 15:31:45 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1101.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA21231 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 15:31:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990717193113.8499.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [152.166.78.22] by web1101.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 15:31:13 EDT Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 15:31:13 -0400 (EDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- karl wrote: > And many of our 2 wheeled brethern don't > share the same concern > for safety that we do (*cough*squids). So yes, if > you're going to complain > about discrimination against motorcyclists, just > remember how much teens > pay for insurance. I'm curious if anyone has ever found that motorcyclists have more car accidents. I understand when someone won't insure certain bikes, certain people, or (as I found when I got my first bike) won't insure new riders for bikes over a certain size. But this makes about as much sense of not giving someone homeowner's insurance because they ride. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 17 15:54:54 1999 Return-Path: ursulina@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA21578 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 15:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ursulina (207-172-44-207.s207.tnt3.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.44.207]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA29272 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 15:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <026001bed0a7$7a912140$752caccf@ursulina> From: "Ursulina Viteri" To: Subject: Re: Helmet Music & CD Player Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 15:55:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I've been fine using the "bud" ear phones (that fit in your ear) and a personal tape player* that sits in the tank bag. I run the cord thru my blouse, make sure the cord it held in place by my helmet's chin strap, and slide the ear phones into my helmet so they sit right on top of my ear canal. Works well for me. If your ear phones are sliding out then I'd suspect your helmet is a bit loose. *I've tried using my portable CD player but the constant skipping was madding so I switched to the tape player. - - Ursulina 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD -----Original Message----- From: Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 1:57 PM Subject: Re: Helmet Music & CD Player >At 03:59 PM 7/16/99 , djones@XXXXXX wrote: >>Hey Guys, >> >>I need to know what the best head-set/cd player is out there. I went on a >>500 mile trip last week & some nice music on this trip would've been very >>cool indeed. > >Someone tell me a good set of speakers to insert into the helmet! I tried >in-ear headphones, but they fall out...tried in-ear with ear-clips, they >hurt going on and off. > >I guess I should shell out the money for a good communicator with a line-in >jack.... >___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > >As far as I can tell, I am immortal until proven wrong. > From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 17 17:26:40 1999 Return-Path: ges6@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA22956 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 17:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from - (216-164-224-217.s217.tnt6.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.224.217]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA01486 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 17:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 99 17:18:20 EDT From: Greg Sachs Sender: Greg Sachs Subject: Sat running of the squids To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 Was a bust-Nick, Grant, Kirt and I got to RFK to be told things were now at Wilber Park, so we took off to there, where they wanted $20 to get in or some bs. Kirt bluffed our way pst, where we found a lot of nothing. DJ got there eventually, and some bikes showed(and a lot left rather than pay the $20), and everyone just sorta sat in the field and talked. Saw a dyno that wasn't getting used at all, and a bunch of eyabusers getting polished(guy rode it, had a truck come along with his race stand so he could polish it, a polished/chromed R1(couldn't figure this out-too clean to be ridden at all, but the tires actually scuffed all the way (and not feathered like race tires-sand paper is my guess.) We left after an hour-hour and a half, and headed back in to Georgetown for food. Largely a bust, but amusing. did actually see a flyer, and the squids should be at RFK on Sunday-it said beginning at 1, I think. Website is still not working. Greg -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX 7/17/99 HSTA/AMA 5:18:20 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 17 17:57:59 1999 Return-Path: granth@XXXXXX Received: from fedsco.sco.com (fedsco.sco.COM [132.147.168.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA23489 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 17:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (granth@localhost) by fedsco.sco.com (8.8.7/UW7.1.0) with SMTP id RAA18910; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 17:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 17:50:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Grant Heffernan To: Greg Sachs cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sat running of the squids In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Greg left out the best part... whilst negotiating city traffic, I managed to stall the bike almost in the middle of an intersection while turning, the end result being me and the bike on the ground. I have to say, if you're gonna dump a bike the SV is the way to go. Not onlyw was it really easy to pick up, the ONLY damage was a busted right mirror ($50 OEM). I still can't believe that's the only damage... gotta love no plastic. ********************************* Grant Heffernan SCO Field Systems Engineer 2100 Reston Pkwy, Suite 102 Reston, VA 20191 (703) 715-8721 On Sat, 17 Jul 1999, Greg Sachs wrote: > Was a bust-Nick, Grant, Kirt and I got to RFK to be told things were now > at Wilber Park, so we took off to there, where they wanted $20 to get in > or some bs. Kirt bluffed our way pst, where we found a lot of nothing. > DJ got there eventually, and some bikes showed(and a lot left rather than > pay the $20), and everyone just sorta sat in the field and talked. Saw a > dyno that wasn't getting used at all, and a bunch of eyabusers getting > polished(guy rode it, had a truck come along with his race stand so he > could polish it, a polished/chromed R1(couldn't figure this out-too clean > to be ridden at all, but the tires actually scuffed all the way (and not > feathered like race tires-sand paper is my guess.) We left after an > hour-hour and a half, and headed back in to Georgetown for food. Largely > a bust, but amusing. did actually see a flyer, and the squids should be > at RFK on Sunday-it said beginning at 1, I think. Website is still not > working. > Greg > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Greg Sachs 91 VFR750F Systems Engineer > ges6@XXXXXX SAM gsachs@XXXXXX > 7/17/99 HSTA/AMA 5:18:20 PM > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 17 19:19:07 1999 Return-Path: stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA24844 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 19:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stpeter (th-1-34.patriot.net [206.29.51.36]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA20681; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 19:18:57 -0400 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sat, 17 Jul 1999 19:21:33 -0400 Message-ID: <01BED089.949BFBA0.stpeter@patriot.net> From: "Jay St. Peter" Reply-To: "stpeter@XXXXXX" To: "'dawn.jon@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re:Titles Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 19:13:15 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 14 TEXT Jon, Many race bikes (mine included) have no title. Usually means that it was a salvage title in another state and the owner didn't want to bother to transfer a useless title. Mine has a bill of sale trail back a few owners. Anyhow, if the guy raced WERA, they check VIN #s every time. If he only did CCS, there is no telling. When I bought my wifes Volvo, I had some concern that it was a flood car. I ran the VIN using edmunds.com. They charged $20 and results were nearly immediate. I don't know if they do bikes though. BTW, I have been thinking of selling my race F2 if anyone is interested. Just contact me off list. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 18 00:35:05 1999 Return-Path: bigredsled@XXXXXX Received: from web808.mail.yahoo.com (web808.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA01212 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 00:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990718043809.10253.rocketmail@web808.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.8.23.212] by web808.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 00:38:09 EDT Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 00:38:09 -0400 (EDT) From: s s Subject: Re: Helmet Music & CD Player To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I used a car / portable CD player on my trip across the US, but I kept it in a pouch that hung froma neck strap. I would tuck it into my jacket so it was protected. Worked great, but I would have liked a bit more volume. I used ear buds. They stayed in, but were not really properly seated in my ears due to interference with the helmet. No skips though, and I would have gone stark raving in Kansas and Nebraska without tunes. Playing 'Route 66' while riding down the main drag in Barstow California was a kick. Spence... --- Ursulina Viteri wrote: > I've been fine using the "bud" ear phones (that fit > in your ear) and a > personal tape player* that sits in the tank bag. I > run the cord thru my > blouse, make sure the cord it held in place by my > helmet's chin strap, and > slide the ear phones into my helmet so they sit > right on top of my ear > canal. Works well for me. If your ear phones are > sliding out then I'd > suspect your helmet is a bit loose. > > *I've tried using my portable CD player but the > constant skipping was > madding so I switched to the tape player. > > - - Ursulina > 1988 Kawasaki 454 LTD > > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 1:57 PM > Subject: Re: Helmet Music & CD Player > > > >At 03:59 PM 7/16/99 , djones@XXXXXX wrote: > >>Hey Guys, > >> > >>I need to know what the best head-set/cd player is > out there. I went on a > >>500 mile trip last week & some nice music on this > trip would've been very > >>cool indeed. > > > >Someone tell me a good set of speakers to insert > into the helmet! I tried > >in-ear headphones, but they fall out...tried in-ear > with ear-clips, they > >hurt going on and off. > > > >I guess I should shell out the money for a good > communicator with a line-in > >jack.... > >___________________________________________ > > > > Mike Troutman > > http://www.troutman.org > > > >As far as I can tell, I am immortal until proven > wrong. > > > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 18 02:07:55 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA03240 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 02:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (209-122-216-33.s33.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.216.33]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA04259 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 02:07:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kirt Senser" To: Subject: Sunday Running of the Squids... Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 02:05:55 -0000 Message-ID: <01bed0c2$123a5c40$21d87ad1@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_012A_01BED0C2.123A5C40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_012A_01BED0C2.123A5C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone from VA going tomorrow? I'm probably gonna roll out there = tomorrow, and if anyone wants to go, I'd be happy to lead. Just let me = know a place and time to meet up with you and I'll be there. Thanks = again to Nick, Greg, and Grant for making today a substantially more = interesting then it first appeared to be. All three of them have cool = bikes, cool stories, and cool attitudes. It's good to know that there = are some other riders in the area that aren't complete squids or in the = dc sportbike riders (read: = straight-line-speed/get-silly-custom-paint-jobs-for-your-bike-and-helmet/= polish-your-bike-endlessly) club. No offense to any of those guys, but = personally I bought my bike to RIDE IT... Sure, I like the way it = looks, and I take care of it's appearence, but come on! The dude on the = R1 at the squid thingy in Wimer's Park (in butt-scratch-ghetto-MD) was = polishing his bike when we pulled up, still polishing when we went and = got a drink, still polishing when we came back over to the bikes to hang = out...... you get the picture. And there is no way that guy has had = that bike leaned THAT far over. Greg was right, they were "used" all = the (and past) the edges, but alas, no scratches on the peg feelers. = Hmmmmm.... physical impossiblity? I think so... Plus, he *never* took = that damn thing off the trailer. Whatever... Anyways, enough whining. = I had fun, we got in for free, got to ride around, got to take a pretty = good exit ramp at a high rate of speed, and a few other things here and = there. DAMN was it hot. Well, I don't wanna suck up all the damn = bandwidth, so off I go. Let me know ASAP if anyone else is going = tomorrow. If not, I'm gonna ride out to Bowie and meet up with the MD = fellas. =20 Kirt 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va ------=_NextPart_000_012A_01BED0C2.123A5C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone from VA going tomorrow?  = I'm=20 probably gonna roll out there tomorrow, and if anyone wants to go, I'd = be happy=20 to lead.  Just let me know a place and time to meet up with you and = I'll be=20 there.  Thanks again to Nick, Greg, and Grant for making today a=20 substantially more interesting then it first appeared to be.  All = three of=20 them have cool bikes, cool stories, and cool attitudes.  It's good = to know=20 that there are some other riders in the area that aren't complete squids = or in=20 the dc sportbike riders (read:=20 straight-line-speed/get-silly-custom-paint-jobs-for-your-bike-and-helmet/= polish-your-bike-endlessly)=20 club.  No offense to any of those guys, but personally I bought my = bike to=20 RIDE IT...     Sure, I like the way it looks, and I = take=20 care of it's appearence, but come on!  The dude on the R1 at the = squid=20 thingy in Wimer's Park (in butt-scratch-ghetto-MD) was polishing his = bike when=20 we pulled up, still polishing when we went and got a drink, still = polishing when=20 we came back over to the bikes to hang out......  you get the=20 picture.  And there is no way that guy has had that bike leaned = THAT far=20 over.  Greg was right, they were "used" all the (and = past) the=20 edges, but alas, no scratches on the peg feelers.  Hmmmmm....  = physical impossiblity?  I think so...  Plus, he *never* took that damn thing off the trailer. =20 Whatever...  Anyways, enough whining.  I had fun, we got in = for free,=20 got to ride around, got to take a pretty good exit ramp at a high rate = of speed,=20 and a few other things here and there.  DAMN was it hot.  = Well, I=20 don't wanna suck up all the damn bandwidth, so off I go.  Let me = know ASAP=20 if anyone else is going tomorrow.  If not, I'm gonna ride out to = Bowie and=20 meet up with the MD fellas. 
 
Kirt
1996 CBR 600F3 = SJR
Annandale, Va
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_012A_01BED0C2.123A5C40-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 18 02:10:02 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA03287 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 02:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (209-122-216-33.s33.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.216.33]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA04365 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 02:09:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kirt Senser" To: Subject: one more thing... Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 02:08:07 -0000 Message-ID: <01bed0c2$605700e0$21d87ad1@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0133_01BED0C2.605700E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0133_01BED0C2.605700E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How many people on this list are in the IT industry??? I think all four = of us today were... I notice a lot of computer geeks ride bikes. I = think it's cool... Kirt 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va ------=_NextPart_000_0133_01BED0C2.605700E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
How many people on this list are in the IT = industry???  I=20 think all four of us today were...  I notice a lot of computer = geeks ride=20 bikes.  I think it's cool...
 
Kirt
1996 CBR 600F3 SJR
Annandale, Va
------=_NextPart_000_0133_01BED0C2.605700E0-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 18 22:19:57 1999 Return-Path: djones@XXXXXX Received: from inetmail3.bigyellow.com ([167.241.105.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22768 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 22:19:56 -0400 (EDT) From: djones@XXXXXX Received: from inetmail2.bigyellow.com ([167.241.105.101]) by inetmail3.bigyellow.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2607.0) id N906FMTT; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 22:19:50 -0400 Received: from Lynsmtp1.bigyellow.com (LYNSMTP1 [167.241.105.221]) by inetmail2.bigyellow.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id N9N82Q3T; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 22:19:51 -0400 Received: by Lynsmtp1.bigyellow.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852567B3.000CC9C9 ; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 22:19:40 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: NIRC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567B3.000B7C33.00@Lynsmtp1.bigyellow.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 22:19:01 -0400 Subject: 97' Yamaha YZF1000R 4-Sale Red & White 12,236 miles Stage 1 Jet Kit Micron Carbon Fiber Slipon Carbon Fiber Front Fender Carbon Fiber Rear Fender Zero Gravity Double Bubble New Pirelli Dragons Front (race compound) Rear (street) Beautiful Bike $7500 Contact me off line if interested. Thanks, DJ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 07:10:25 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA01756 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 07:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 04:10:14 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Helmet Music & CD Player Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 03:55:25 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) The set-up I have and liked (CD player died on me) was Bass-Monsters (www.collet.com or something like that), and a $90 Awai 40 sec. anti-skip CD player. I ran the power from my bike (car-adaptor kit that was wired directly to the battery - in-line fuse, water-proof quick connect) and an in-line booster. Todd Peer told me about a set of speakers from Radio Shack that he liked - I just haven't gotten around to buying a new CD player and thus have no need for new speakers. I listen with ear protection in - just a little trick to help the music but still hinder the other noise - heat a sewing needle and push it through the center of the ear-plug. This gives an open channel for music to come in on, but still blocks the wind-noise.... it does work, and well. Cheers. Brian > -----Original Message----- > > I need to know what the best head-set/cd player is out there. > I went on a > 500 mile trip last week & some nice music on this trip > would've been very > cool indeed. > > Thanks, DJ > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 08:27:24 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02937 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 08:27:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 05:27:18 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Hawk front turn signals? Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 05:26:03 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Hey, Anyone out there have a set of Hawk front turn signals? I need/want them complete from the fork clamp on out to the blinker. They're going to be used in 'street-fighterizing' my VFR (sold the bodywork to a friend). Any leads would be appreciated... note, these don't have to be perfect items. Thanks, Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 08:42:47 1999 Return-Path: dreamer@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [209.48.224.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03189 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 08:42:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [209.48.224.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA19250 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 08:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 08:42:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Dawn Gibson To: DC Cycles Subject: Survival in Cass, WV Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII (warning, long post) Survival in Cass, WV. Three days of riding in the mountains of West Virginia with an old riding buddy from Pittsburgh seemed the perfect antidote to a long week of stress at work. I took off about 10am on Friday morning and it was already hot and sticky. I wasn't in the mood for interstates so I took 66 only as far as 55. 55 to 340 to 33 to 220 to 250 to 28. It became progressively cooler as I climbed into the mountains and I enjoyed the twisty roads. I don't break any speed records or scrape any pegs but I enjoy it just the same. They've paved the roads since the last time I rode this way and aside from gravel in every curve, the roads were in great shape. I arrived at Boyer Station about 4pm and set up camp. For anyone heading up there, Boyer Station is a small restaurant/camp ground/hotel near Cass, WV which is friendly to motorcycles. My riding buddy arrived about 8:20pm having had to work that day. Saturday morning was misty and cool and we stopped first at the radio telescope observatory at Green Bank. This is the largest observatory of its type in the US. We took their tour and it was pretty interesting. Then off to Cass for the train ride up the mountain. That was cool but it was good to get back on the bikes. We took off southward, intending to loop back and return to the campground well before dark. We hit a few showers but they didn't last long. We rode further than we'd intended to and the skies were ominous by the time we headed northward on the return journey. Within ten miles the lightning was vivid just ahead and the winds were almost horizontal. In a few more minutes the downpour was intense and it was hard to see. A few more minutes and it was impossible. The rain and 1/4" hail were horizontal and gale force, the thunder and lightning were terrifying and it was nearly impossible to keep the bike upright and on the road, but there was no place to pull off on the narrow two lane country road, not even a driveway. Five more miles and finally a narrow lane leading off the road. An old farmer and his wife were kind enough to let us into their garage while the storm blasted for almost another half an hour before calming into rain. While I waited I dumped a half a quart of water out of each boot and squeezed almost that much out of the foam padding in my helmet. My heavy leather jacket was 3 times as heavy with water and the temp outside was in the 50s now. We thanked the farmer and took off in the aftermath of the storm. Branches and mud everywhere and a heavy mist. The warmth of my head and the wet padding in my helmet created a face shield that would not stay clear and my front wheel slid on wet leaves and mud in every corner. 50 miles back to the camp site in 50 degree temps and soaking gear and we were on the edge of hypothermia and shock. The last 15 miles to the camp were dry roads and we discovered that it had not even rained there! We built a huge fire and watched our gear steam and contemplated the idea of survival. We take so many things for granted that it's truly an eye opener to experience something like this. It was a thoughtful ride back in still wet gear the next day. The first 75 miles on 250 through the mountains I had the road totally to myself and the beauty was as awe inspiring as the tantrum of nature had been the day before. By the time I'd slabbed along 81 for a while, most of my gear was dry and it was already hot enough to be uncomfortable. In summary, Cass, WV is very beautiful. The mountains are perfect for riding and the twisty roads are intense enough to satisfy even the craziest of suicidal, peg scraping lunatics, but beware the weather. Lesson learned, ALWAYS take warm gear, even if it's 100 degrees outside when you leave. Neither of us had clothing warmer than t-shirts along. Never believe the weather folks. The weather man had forecast only a slight chance of scattered light thunder storms. Dawn Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX '96 Virago 1100 Special, KnowMad From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 09:01:13 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03548 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FF4007BJC4HJQ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:00:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA14122; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:58:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990719125955.ITAZ3540@toddnt>; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:59:55 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 08:58:06 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Helmet Music & CD Player In-reply-to: <4.1.19990716161807.01be5860@mail.wheatintl.com> To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000b01bed1e6$582055f0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal I haven't tried these, but for only $19.99 they seem worth a try: http://www.koss.com/koss/kossweb.nsf/HomeCatalog then click on "portable stereophones" then "the plug". I don't have a stereo source right now, but I am considering a mini-disc player/recorder. Here are some examples that Amazon.com sells: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/electronics/browse-electronics/-/172631 /002-7821644-2571403 The headset I have now is made by Radio Shack, the "Titanium Pro-25". It usually sells for around $40, but every now and then they go on sale for $20. These headphones rock. The frequency response is something like 5-30,000 Hz. Awesome! I use these with my home unit and am just blown away by the sound. One last thing you might want to consider is an in-line power amp. I have something called a "Boosteroo" that takes a couple of AA batteries and allows for up to three listeners to the same source. It definitely helps cut through the wind noise too. It's made by Bowman electronics with this last known telephone number - 800-345-2966. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, July 16, 1999 4:37 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Helmet Music & CD Player > > > At 03:59 PM 7/16/99 , djones@XXXXXX wrote: > >Hey Guys, > > > >I need to know what the best head-set/cd player is out there. I went on a > >500 mile trip last week & some nice music on this trip would've been very > >cool indeed. > > Someone tell me a good set of speakers to insert into the helmet! I tried > in-ear headphones, but they fall out...tried in-ear with ear-clips, they > hurt going on and off. > > I guess I should shell out the money for a good communicator with > a line-in > jack.... > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > As far as I can tell, I am immortal until proven wrong. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 09:16:16 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03856 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:16:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FF400384CTWOW@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:15:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA21209; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:11:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990719131530.IXXD3540@toddnt>; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:15:30 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:13:41 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Survival in Cass, WV In-reply-to: To: Dawn Gibson , DC Cycles Message-id: <000c01bed1e8$85456cd0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Nice write up Dawn. It was almost like being there, but not getting wet :) You are very correct about preparedness, especially on extended day trips. I always try to carry the following, just in case: First Aid Kit Flares Tire Repair Kit Compressor (mini) Rain Gear Jacket (wind breaker) Cell Phone Extra gloves Sunscreen Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Dawn Gibson [mailto:dreamer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 8:43 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Survival in Cass, WV > > Survival in Cass, WV. > Within ten miles the lightning was vivid > just ahead and the winds were almost horizontal. > In a few more minutes the downpour was intense > and it was hard to see. A few more minutes and it > was impossible. The rain and 1/4" hail were > horizontal and gale force, the thunder and lightning > were terrifying and it was nearly impossible to keep > the bike upright and on the road, but there was no > place to pull off on the narrow two lane country > road, not even a driveway. > Lesson learned, ALWAYS > take warm gear, even if it's 100 degrees outside > when you leave. Neither of us had clothing warmer > than t-shirts along. Never believe the weather > folks. The weather man had forecast only a slight > chance of scattered light thunder storms. > > Dawn Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX > '96 Virago 1100 Special, KnowMad > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 09:37:28 1999 Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.23]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04528 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:37:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 116DYQ-0006Vy-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:34:02 -0400 Received: from jay (ravinc.clark.net [168.143.30.5]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA08413 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:36:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Subject: Moving Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:35:37 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bed1eb$95dcd530$afc809c0@jay> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal I'm packing up to move out of my house at the end of the month and have come upon some stuff I'd like to get rid of/sell 1. Spartan cold weather riding suit - size XL (pick it up and give me a 6-pack of good beer) 2. Scorpio CYL-100DX cycle alarm, still in box. Was the best available 3 years ago when I bought it. Paid over $200, will sell for $50. 3. '93 CBR600 F2 race bike. '94 forks with Race Tech valves Fox shock graves clip-ons racing brake lines rearset adaptors for stock foot peg brackets Dynojet kit 3 sets bodywork (1 beat up, 1 mounted to bike that is beat up but useful, 1 brand new not even drilled) box of spares (including levers, footpegs, case covers, sprockets, master cylinder, fairing bracket, etc.) WERA production legal tires still have a couple of weekends left (depending on who rides it). This is a good bike for someone who wants to have fun and learn to race. It is closer to being competitive than I expected (although I wasn't), and much faster than I expected. $2500/firm. e-mail me with any interest in the above items. I am moving out of my house next week From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 09:41:37 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA04564 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:41:35 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA28997; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:42:14 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma025790; Mon, 19 Jul 99 09:39:15 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FF400GVXE1APH@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:41:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567B3.004ADD74 ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:37:43 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:36:47 -0400 Subject: Re: Helmet Music & CD Player To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567B3.004AD25A.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I also use the Collett "bass monsters". Funny name, since I find the sound pretty tinny. It depends on how close to the ear you can mount them in your helmet. I have a minidisc player and one of the yellow Sony sport walkman units that one of the other listers mentioned. The minidisc player really needs an in-line power boosting device, as you need to have it at full volume to be able to hear the thing at 60mph+. It's nice to be able to mix your own discs, but I find that I like the variety on the radio more than my own paltry music collection. The Sony has more power than necessary, but I've recently developed a bit of a problem with the reception. For a while, it was great. Now the reception comes in pretty intermittently. I think it's a problem with the cord connections and I'll soon work it out. Last night I experimented with strapping the walkman to the triple clamp on the Superhawk with mixed results. I have yet to try it at speed, but I'm concerned it will work it's way loose from the vibrations as I ride. We'll see. Maybe I'll try strapping it to my leg like someone mentioned. So far the tankbag is the best solution, but you can't get to the buttons easily and sometimes I don't want to take the bag with me. Chris Weaver 98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 09:43:01 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA04634 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:42:59 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA00447; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:43:13 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma027586; Mon, 19 Jul 99 09:40:41 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FF400J6CE36EM@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567B3.004AF77E ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:38:50 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:37:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Two Brothers' Naked Hayabusa....cool! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567B3.004AF1C7.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Getting rid of the bodywork sort of defeats the whole purpose of the Hayabusa, doesn't it? Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 http://www.twobros.com/hayabusa/rodan/rodan.html ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 09:53:01 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04809 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA28479; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:52:51 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990719094544.01a296d0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:52:42 -0400 To: Todd Peer From: Troutman Subject: RE: Helmet Music & CD Player + communicator Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000b01bed1e6$582055f0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <4.1.19990716161807.01be5860@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:58 AM 7/19/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >The headset I have now is made by Radio Shack, the "Titanium Pro-25". It >usually sells for around $40, but every now and then they go on sale for >$20. These headphones rock. The frequency response is something like >5-30,000 Hz. Awesome! I use these with my home unit and am just blown away >by the sound. Hit Radio Shack Sunday and picked up the Pro-35s for $19.95. Velcroed them in last night - felt pretty good coming in. Radio reception was marginal, will try CD player tomorrow. May have to go buy a new portable CD player with 40 seconds of shock memory. Someone may have mentioned cutting the liner and placing the headphones inside...maybe even cutting the padding to fit. Has anyone tried this with a Shoei RF800? Also...on the subject of cheap communicators..... 2 Weeks ago I bought a set of those FM family communicators. 2 mile range, pretty much like a CB radio. The two pack cost $75 at best buy (most other brands are running $100 each). My goal is to get a headset that can handle voice activation by itself, then use it with the walkie talkie for group rides. Radio Shack sells an in-ear headphone/clip mic with PTT activation, but it didn't work very well in the helmet. The past couple of days I have seen several hands-free phone sets with 1/4" stereo plug adapter. I may sneak in and test the demo in the store..... The cool thing about these communicators is the price and portability. When you finish your ride and go for a hike, you can keep using them..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 10:45:07 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05718 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:45:06 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id 2QWUa17404 (4532) for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:43:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <67a5a341.24c493af@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:43:59 EDT Subject: Re: one more thing... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 LOTS! :D I've already asked this question.... Marcy In a message dated 7/18/99 2:16:27 AM, ksenser@XXXXXX writes: >How many people on this list are in the IT industry??? From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 10:49:12 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05742 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 07:48:56 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Helmet Music & CD Player Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 07:42:27 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) If you don't mind the unit being subjected to the elements.. try velcro on the dash. It'll hold it securly, and provide a small ammount of vibration dampning aswell... As for putting it on yor leg - a 3' strap of nilon webbing (Sunnys Surplus) with a quick connect to fit around yor leg.. then you can either clamp (with the units belt holder) it to the strap, or make your own. I HAVE to use a tankbag because my power source is held in the pockets. As for music boosting.. try the Boosteroo - I have it.. and like it a lot. manufacturer named Bowman: President Tom Parker at 800-345-2966. Used to be $14.95 plus UPS shipping and COD. Cheers, Brian From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 10:56:00 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA05832 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:55:58 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA25401; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:56:43 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma021761; Mon, 19 Jul 99 10:53:09 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FF400A6VHGJR5@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567B3.0051A1A6 ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:51:37 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:39:11 -0400 Subject: RE: Helmet Music & CD Player + communicator To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567B3.00519E43.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Mike Troutman wrote: Someone may have mentioned cutting the liner and placing the headphones inside...maybe even cutting the padding to fit. Has anyone tried this with a Shoei RF800? ---- Well, I've done it on a Shoei RF-R and the Collett speakers, but there may be some slight differences. It wasn't that hard really. The lining isn't supposed to be removable on the RF-R, but a little persuasion will get out the large piece of lined foam that makes up the cheek areas and lower facemask area. The lining was taped onto the back of the foam. I just peeled back the tape, peeled back the liner, and scraped out some of the foam. I then pulled the lining tight again and reapplied the tape. I added some tape of my own to make sure it stayed put. I then jimmied the foam unit back into the helmet, and all was well. It might take some experimenting, but I'm sure you can do it. YMMV with the RF800. 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From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 11:32:26 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06581 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:32:16 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA07554; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:32:29 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma002213; Mon, 19 Jul 99 11:27:53 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FF400GNMJ2FM7@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567B3.0054D0BE ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:26:24 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:13:11 -0400 Subject: RE: Helmet Music & CD Player To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567B3.0054CA51.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Velcro it to the "dash"? Do you mean the instrument panel? If so, there's no place on the VTR to effectively do this. As for webbing, I used to do a lot of rock climbing, so I have *plenty* of that stuff. I'll check out the Boosteroo. Sounds like it might do the trick. I saw a power booster for sale on the web a while ago, but it cost $50 or $60, so I sh!tcanned that idea. Chris 98 VTR You wrote: If you don't mind the unit being subjected to the elements.. try velcro on the dash. It'll hold it securly, and provide a small ammount of vibration dampning aswell... As for putting it on yor leg - a 3' strap of nilon webbing (Sunnys Surplus) with a quick connect to fit around yor leg.. then you can either clamp (with the units belt holder) it to the strap, or make your own. I HAVE to use a tankbag because my power source is held in the pockets. As for music boosting.. try the Boosteroo - I have it.. and like it a lot. manufacturer named Bowman: President Tom Parker at 800-345-2966. Used to be $14.95 plus UPS shipping and COD. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 11:47:06 1999 Return-Path: dhallis@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f291.hotmail.com [209.185.130.230]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06849 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 51096 invoked by uid 0); 19 Jul 1999 15:46:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19990719154628.51095.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 08:46:28 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: twg@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re:You just have to love Northern Virginia Yuppies.( VERY Lo Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 08:46:28 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Slightly off subject but this e-mail reminds me that the area's good riding is slowly moving farther away from DC. You now have to spend 30 to 60 minutes before the fun begins in any direction. Having just done a weekend ride out Rt 55 through western PW County and out to Front Royal, I don't know which would have been worse: Disney or all the crappy tract mansions and town houses that are going up instead. It is amazing how much has changed over the last 5 years just west of where 55 comes into 29. Before 10 years are up I would say that we are going to have tract housing all the way to Throughfare Gap. My wife says that Rt 55 is one of her favorite rides close to DC. Its a shame that its getting shorter every year. >From: Hugh Caldwell >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re:You just have to love Northern Virginia Yuppies.( VERY Lo >Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:31:57 -0700 (PDT) > > > Wow, you actually want Disney? You must be having a bad >day. > I really doubt that car dealerships put out anywhere near as >much noise as a bike dealership. > >On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Tom Zell wrote: > > > > This is complete and total bullshit brought to you by the grand folk >that > > removed Disney from our future here. There are plenty of car >dealerships that > > line Rt 50 in that area that I am sure generate a good amount of noise >as well > > but you don't see them being hassled. > > > > And what's wrong with people getting together for a common cause? No >rallies? > > Give me a freakin' break. Hell... if the shop closes we should have the >entire > > list make it a point of holding a rallie in that lot every weekend! > > > > Another reason for me to stay clear of East Berlin.. I mean Fairfax City >/ > > Fairfax Cnty. > > > > Bring the shop to Arlington! With all the loud music coming from every >yo-boy's > > car the shop would a) surely NOT be bothering any residents (how could >they be > > bothered anymore) and b) bring the sweet rumble of American iron back to >the > > county. > > > > Tom <--- ok... so I'm having a bad day > > '86 VFR750 > > > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > > Subject: You just have to love Northern Virginia Yuppies.( VERY Long > > Author: shephar1@XXXXXX (Ken) > > Date: 7/6/99 11:23 AM > > > > On a personal note, I thought the place stank of a bunch of used car >salesman, a > > nc couldnt give a hoot, but I thought this was funny. > > Harley noise prompts council rumblings > > > > > > City to consider revoking permit for dealership > > > > By ROBERT WHITE > > Journal staff writer > > > > Pressured by resident complaints about motorcycle noise, Fairfax City >officials > > this week moved closer to revoking the zoning permit for the city's >3-month-old > > Harley Davidson dealership. > > > > Taking away Patriot Harley Davidson's special-use permit, as the City >Council co > > uld do after a hearing next month, would put the shop out of business. > > > > Council members said they do not plan to take the issue that far, but >they agree > > d Tuesday night to start the revocation process to make clear to owner >Robert C. > > DeHaven that he needs to do something to tone down the noise. > > > > "The intent is not to close the shop down or to harm the business in any >way," C > > ouncilman Rob Lederer said. "The intent is to preserve the quality of >life for t > > he surrounding residential communities." > > > > DeHaven reacted angrily to the decision, saying he has followed all >conditions o > > f the special-use permit granted by the City Council last May. He >acknowledged t > > he store generates noise, but asserted that should be expected from a >shop that > > sells and repairs motorcycles. > > > > A major bone of contention is the noise and traffic generated by >motorcycle rall > > ies, such as the annual Memorial Day "Rolling Thunder" event, in which >thousands > > of Harley riders descend upon the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in downtown >Washing > > ton. Patriot Harley Davidson played host to local riders for the May 30 >caravan. > > > > The shop, which opened in March on a three-acre site on Lee Highway near >Fairfax > > Circle, also held a grand opening festival Saturday, drawing Harley >enthusiasts > > from across Northern Virginia. Residents complained that parked >motorcycles lin > > ed the streets from the shop to Fairfax High School, a half-mile away. > > > > "We don't want someone to turn Fairfax City into a mecca for cyclists >from all o > > ver the region," said Carl Hemmer, a former council member who lives in >the Grea > > t Oaks neighborhood behind the shop. "[DeHaven] is trying to build >Nissan Pavili > > on East in the middle of Fairfax City." > > > > Neighbors have lodged dozens of complaints with council members, and >several spo > > ke out against the shop at Tuesday's council meeting. In response, the >council v > > oted 5-0 to begin the process of revoking DeHaven's permit. > > > > To get approval for his 20,000-square-foot shop, DeHaven agreed to hold >no more > > than six rallies a year, restrict the store's hours of operations and >build abou > > t $100,000 of ancillary improvements in the area, including a pedestrian >bridge > > over a nearby creek. > > > > DeHaven, a lifelong Harley rider who in 1981 founded Quality Systems >Inc., a Fai > > rfax high-technology firm, said the city's actions are puzzling because >the moto > > rcycle shop has never been accused of violating the terms of the >agreement. > > > > "You'd think there'd be some due process here, where they inform you >that you're > > in violation [of the permit] and say, `You either cure this or we're >going to r > > evoke your permit,'" he said. "I've never been cited for being in >violation of a > > nything." > > > > DeHaven has 10 days to protest Tuesday's decision and said he will do >so. An app > > eal would lead to a July 27 public hearing before the council. > > > > Council members said they hope to work out a solution to the noise >problem befor > > e then. Several of them said yesterday they will ask DeHaven to find >another sit > > e to stage rallies or consider limiting him to just one or two events a >year. > > > > "What I would like to see is curtailing the noise and the number of >rallies and > > open houses that he intends to hold," said Councilman Scott >Silverthorne, who st > > rongly supported the Harley shop last year as part of the city's >redevelopment o > > f the Lee Highway area. > > > > "Six [rallies] a year is a lot. They have the big one on Memorial Day, >and I'm n > > ot so certain they need more than that." > > > > DeHaven said he understands the noise concerns but does not favor >reducing the n > > umber of rallies, which he said are an integral part of any Harley >Davidson deal > > ership. > > > > "Not only are they typical, they are mandated by the motor company," he >said. "Y > > ou have to be able to do some of these things." > > > > Saturday's grand opening, which featured live music and free food, >raised more t > > han $16,000 for charity, DeHaven said. > > > > "We're being good corporate neighbors," he added. > > > > The shop is one of only a handful of Harley Davidson dealerships in the >Washingt > > on area. > > > > > > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Ken S. > > ICQ# 32289311 > > HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger > > HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager > > kshephard@XXXXXX > > 1996 XLH 1200 > > Ride Safe > > Inwood, WV > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI >---------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 11:50:52 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06938 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA28734; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:50:44 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990719114805.01a9e780@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:50:42 -0400 To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: Helmet Music & CD Player Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <852567B3.0054CA51.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:13 AM 7/19/99 , christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: >Velcro it to the "dash"? Do you mean the instrument panel? If so, there's >no place on the VTR to effectively do this. As for webbing, I used to do a >lot of rock climbing, so I have *plenty* of that stuff. I'll check out the >Boosteroo. Sounds like it might do the trick. I saw a power booster for >sale on the web a while ago, but it cost $50 or $60, so I sh!tcanned that >idea. As another 'former' rock climber I also have a ton of webbing. Tip for dog owners - webbing makes a great dog toy. I daisy chain 20 feet and tie off the end. Dog loves to pull on it, and it takes a while to shred (as long as they dont chew like a bone). Also makes good leash, excellent tie down material, great rope-jacket and a million other things. And dont get me started on all the uses for 'biners! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 12:18:32 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA07474 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:18:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:17:28 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:17:21 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:08:58 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, nighthawk700@XXXXXX Subject: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Looks like AIG gets added to MY black list, joining GEICO. Crap like this is precisely why I belong to the AMA. Joe AMA # 300037 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 12:44:52 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA08045 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA28872; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:42:19 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990719124101.01aa0cd0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:42:07 -0400 To: JOE NAGY From: Troutman Subject: Re: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, nighthawk700@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:08 AM 7/19/99 , JOE NAGY wrote: >Looks like AIG gets added to MY black list, joining GEICO. >Crap like this is precisely why I belong to the AMA. http://www.aig.com/ Let them know how unhappy you are with their policies. http://www.aig.com/corpsite/frfeedback.html ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org As far as I can tell, I am immortal until proven wrong. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 13:00:56 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA08423 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:00:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:00:15 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Helmet Speakers, Amps, CDs Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:00:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain RE earlier postings about ear buds etc. : Speakers: Earlier I used a replacement set of Sony's because they were thin. With a bandana folded over them, I could get them and my head into the helmet. O.K. for around town but the pressure on the ears can get painful. Later, I installed helmet speakers: In my X-8, I have the "Bass Monsters" in the new RF800, I have "amended" Sony's. To amend them I just stripped the speakers out of an old Walkman head set (~$12) and rewired them with Radio Schack 30 ga. and a mini plug. Because the Sony's are flatter than the fish speakers, I didn't have to carve out niches in the helmet -- just slipped them under the fabric and sorta squished them in. Both sets work well. Radio Sound helmet speakers? http://www.radiosound.com/products/helmet_headset.html Hint for helmet speaker mounting. Use duct tape to securely fasten the mini plug to the chin piece liner. This will prevent strain on the little bitty wires. The little bitty wires going from the plug to the speakers will separate after several dozen pulls resulting in one (or both ) speakers giving intermittent sound. Guess how I know this? Amps: "Will I be able to hear audio when I have earplugs in and the wind is rushing past my helmet?" That depends on how powerful your audio source is, the ambient noise, and naturally, how good the ear plugs are. My radio-only set punches through fine. The Sony cassette deck doesn't. So, I looked for an audio booster and found two options for which I'd appreciate any comment from the more experienced: www.boosteroo.com" Hmm, Cost: Boostaroo Audio Amplifier and Splitter $17.95+ $3.50* or Boostaroo with 3 Foot Cord$19.95 + $3.50* "Output Into 16 ohm head phones (stereo mini jack), approximately 40 mW per channel, 12 dB gain in sound per channel." Lessee, IIRC 3 dB is doubling, so 12 Db would by increase volume by 16 X? but, a 0.040 Watt amp seems wimpy. A Headbanger builder (see below) said he had been unhappy with the boost-er-oo . . . The do-it-yourself Headbanger amp page. Du-ude http://www.connact.com/~eaw/minidisc/headbanger.html Output Power: 375mW into 8-ohms (~ 0.19 watt into 16 Ohm phones) What is the impedance of Bass Monsters, Cheap Sony phones? 32 Ohms? Commercial version $99 + DYI: ~$30 - $55 plus ~ 4 hours I checked one local RS and they had everything but the 18 Ohm resistors and the box. Carl in Bethesda (Yearning for NPR and Dick Dale on the road) CDs: I don't have one but on another list, a poster said he went into a store with demo models, stuffed in a disc and hopped while they played. He bought the one that skipped the least (Aiwa IIRC) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 13:12:31 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA08584 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:12:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:11:27 -0400 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:11:21 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:09:33 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: EthanK@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Here's my beef with GEICO: GEICO buys radar guns for police departments. You, a GEICO customer, get written for speed by an officer holding a GEICO gun. In effect, you just got busted with a gun that YOU paid for. Oh, one last thing. The violation gets back to GEICO, and GEICO raises your rates. They need to buy more radar guns to protect you from maniacs like you. Damned slimy, no? Joe No current violations as of 7-19-99 1:08 pm From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 13:35:38 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09040 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:32:45 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB0A16@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:32:36 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) If you want to be really picky they actually buy Lidar (laser) guns and have done so for MD. Don't know if they have done it for any other state. Anyhow, I agree with you. GEICO could be half of what I'm paying now and I would still not use them. Glenn >Here's my beef with GEICO: >GEICO buys radar guns for police departments. >You, a GEICO customer, get written for speed by an officer holding a >GEICO gun. >In effect, you just got busted with a gun that YOU paid for. >Oh, one last thing. The violation gets back to GEICO, and GEICO raises >your rates. They need to buy more radar guns to protect you from >maniacs like you. >Damned slimy, no? From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 13:44:03 1999 Return-Path: sdave@XXXXXX Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09130 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112138036.cit.nih.gov [165.112.138.36]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA9219748; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37936455.AB19A9C9@radix.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:45:57 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JOE NAGY CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sounds like discrimination to me... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A wise man once told me 'what goes around, comes around' . Remember those ex traffic cops with testicular cancer a few years back on 60 minutes ? Broke my heart that those radar guns caused them to to be forever.... how shall we say? orb impaired ? testicularly challenged? testosterone deficient? too bad. The gene pool will be forever altered. for the better. -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11 SCOA #1042 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Analyst Soza & Company, Ltd. IOA / Control-M / R / D Administrator ATG Group Webmaster (301) 496-3760 JOE NAGY wrote: > Here's my beef with GEICO: > > GEICO buys radar guns for police departments. > > You, a GEICO customer, get written for speed by an officer holding a > GEICO gun. > > In effect, you just got busted with a gun that YOU paid for. > > Oh, one last thing. The violation gets back to GEICO, and GEICO raises > your rates. They need to buy more radar guns to protect you from > maniacs like you. > > Damned slimy, no? > > Joe > No current violations as of 7-19-99 1:08 pm From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 13:57:05 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1101.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA09387 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990719175621.20517.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1101.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:56:21 EDT Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:56:21 -0400 (EDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- JOE NAGY wrote: > Here's my beef with GEICO: > > GEICO buys radar guns for police departments. I see your point, but I have really mixed feelings about it (& I recognize that a lot of people are going be disagree with me vehemently on this). I don't have a problem with strict enforcement, especially after a few years of dealing with our hyper-aggressive local drivers. I don't have a lot of sympathy for people trying to tear down the Toll Road at 85 mph at rush hour, or zooming through my crowded Arlington neighborhood at 45 in a 25 zone. (Ever seen a pedestrian getting hit by a car? It ain't pretty.) If GEICO is helping them get nailed, so they can pay extra insurance while I keep my low perfect-record premiums, that OK by me. So I don't have a real problem with GEICO and the radar guns. (Of course, every time I check with them their rates suck, so that's a different issue.) Except for this: it lends credence to the idea that speed is the only danger. Now if they came up with an "excessive lane changing, tailgating, and failure to use signals" detector, that would be pretty cool in my book. But it might put half the local drivers in traffic court. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 14:05:50 1999 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA09572 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 19 Jul 1999 18:05:31 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA17561 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:05:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply In-Reply-To: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB0A16@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII One can make the case that if _they_ do not speed, or drive like a prick, maybe they have no issue with an insurance company that busts speeders? I used to drive like an ass. Two accidents and two tickets later (over the span of 4 years) I chilled out. 5 over at most, etc, etc. I find myself more laid back and a lot less worried. This is a personal choice _I_ made, because I was tired of being in wrecks (smaller margin of safety) and getting tickets... Not trying to be all preachy and self-righteous, but you make a conscious choice to speed. Don't blame the tooth fairy, cops, geico, or anyone else, for the consequences that happen. And Geico giving money to cops just means that enforcement will be better, of laws that are clear and well known. I'm not saying dont speed, but if you do, you know full well what you're doing and getting into. Alex. On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: > If you want to be really picky they actually buy Lidar (laser) guns and have > done so for MD. Don't know if they have done it for any other state. > Anyhow, I agree with you. GEICO could be half of what I'm paying now and I > would still not use them. > > Glenn > >Here's my beef with GEICO: > >GEICO buys radar guns for police departments. > >You, a GEICO customer, get written for speed by an officer holding a > >GEICO gun. > >In effect, you just got busted with a gun that YOU paid for. > >Oh, one last thing. The violation gets back to GEICO, and GEICO raises > >your rates. They need to buy more radar guns to protect you from > >maniacs like you. > >Damned slimy, no? From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 14:10:07 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09605 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA29068; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:09:47 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990719140701.0229fcb0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:09:45 -0400 To: Dave Yates From: Troutman Subject: Re: Sounds like discrimination to me... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <37936455.AB19A9C9@radix.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:45 PM 7/19/99 , Dave Yates wrote: > A wise man once told me 'what goes around, comes around' . Remember >those ex traffic cops with testicular cancer a few years back on 60 minutes >? Broke my heart that those radar guns caused them to to be forever.... >how shall we say? orb impaired ? testicularly challenged? testosterone >deficient? >too bad. The gene pool will be forever altered. for the better. IMO - thats a pretty sick opinion to have there Dave. Cops do a whole lot for us besides traffic regulation. Think about that next time you are using their services. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 14:37:47 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA10254 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:35:06 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB0A23@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:35:05 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Yeah, don't forget they keep Dunkin Donuts and every other donut shop in business!!! Please enlighten us on there great service that they ALL do. There might be a few good ones but most suck IMO. Glenn At 01:45 PM 7/19/99 , Dave Yates wrote: > A wise man once told me 'what goes around, comes around' . Remember >those ex traffic cops with testicular cancer a few years back on 60 minutes >? Broke my heart that those radar guns caused them to to be forever.... >how shall we say? orb impaired ? testicularly challenged? testosterone >deficient? >too bad. The gene pool will be forever altered. for the better. IMO - thats a pretty sick opinion to have there Dave. Cops do a whole lot for us besides traffic regulation. Think about that next time you are using their services. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 14:51:28 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA10520 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:48:47 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB0A25@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 14:48:43 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) So I guess you go 60 on the Beltway? I'm surprised you haven't been in more accidents. The average speed on the Beltway is about 70. Do you think you are being "safer" going 10 MPH slower then the rest of traffic? Not hardly. Traffic enforcement on rural roads for the most part is nothing but a money maker IMO. I will agree in residential areas that speed enforcement is necessary so people don't get run over but on Interstates it a joke. One a personal note as to your theory of going slower is safer. I've been in one auto accident in my 13 years of driving. Needless to say I was following a friend on a divided highway (55 zone) with the cruise set for right about 55 when I was struck by a little old lady pulling out of a gas station. If I had been by myself I would have been doing 65 - 70 and not in that same spot. Glenn >One can make the case that if _they_ do not speed, or drive like a prick, >maybe they have no issue with an insurance company that busts speeders? >I used to drive like an ass. Two accidents and two tickets later (over the >span of 4 years) I chilled out. 5 over at most, etc, etc. I find myself >more laid back and a lot less worried. This is a personal choice _I_ made, >because I was tired of being in wrecks (smaller margin of safety) and >getting tickets... >Not trying to be all preachy and self-righteous, but you make a conscious >choice to speed. Don't blame the tooth fairy, cops, geico, or anyone else, >for the consequences that happen. And Geico giving money to cops just >means that enforcement will be better, of laws that are clear and well >known. I'm not saying dont speed, but if you do, you know full well what >you're doing and getting into. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 15:01:32 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10752 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:01:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:01:17 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:01:14 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > IMO - thats a pretty sick opinion to have there Dave. Cops > do a whole lot > for us besides traffic regulation. Think about that next time > you are using > their services. > You mean like having them tell you that they don't really give a f%^k that you got nailed from behind.. and that you should expect it while riding a motorcycle? Oh, this isn't one instance.. most cops I've had the displeasure of dealing with in the Mid-Atlantic area need to go the route of a Darwin Award. Brian McCoy p.s. for those of you who don't know what the Darwin Awards are... it's something put out yearly that describes the overly ignorant and how they killed/maimed themselves. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 15:06:02 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1103.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.123]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA10831 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990719190519.6332.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1103.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:05:19 EDT Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:05:19 -0400 (EDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... To: "'DC Cycles'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii do you ever interact with cops other than getting a ticket? Years ago, in Boston, I was a volunteer victim advocate, which involved a fair amount of interaction with local police departments, and while there are jerks, it left me with a much more favorable impression of the profession than I'd had before. Your average cop is a hard working person who risks his or her life to keep you safe. Don't whine because they don't let people play speed racer on public roads. And if you think people getting cancer while doing their jobs is funny, well, I don't really know what to say to you. My last word on the subject, I have no interest in a big flame war. --- "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" wrote: > Yeah, don't forget they keep Dunkin Donuts and every > other donut shop in > business!!! Please enlighten us on there great > service that they ALL do. > There might be a few good ones but most suck IMO. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 15:16:45 1999 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA11053 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 19 Jul 1999 19:16:35 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA07423 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:16:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:16:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply In-Reply-To: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB0A25@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM wrote: > So I guess you go 60 on the Beltway? I'm surprised you haven't been in more > accidents. The average speed on the Beltway is about 70. Do you think you > are being "safer" going 10 MPH slower then the rest of traffic? Not hardly. > Traffic enforcement on rural roads for the most part is nothing but a money > maker IMO. I will agree in residential areas that speed enforcement is > necessary so people don't get run over but on Interstates it a joke. I dont really drive on the beltway during rush hour. My commute is non-highway (15 mi), but I generally go 5 over. Not saying that its not more sometimes... > One a personal note as to your theory of going slower is safer. Nono. I drive slower to avoid tickets. Not to be safer. I no longer drive like an _ass_ to be safer. I used to do retarded crap. 70 around a blind corner (where I hit some lady that was pulling out) in my development, racing down the equiv. of rt 50 at ~100 mph. Driving home drunk. Just plain out stupid things. > I've been in one auto accident in my 13 years of driving. Needless to say I was > following a friend on a divided highway (55 zone) with the cruise set for > right about 55 when I was struck by a little old lady pulling out of a gas > station. If I had been by myself I would have been doing 65 - 70 and not in > that same spot. > > Glenn I think of speeding as a form of voluntary tax. It's random whether you'll get caught or not, but you certainly elect to pay it. Alex. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 15:19:29 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1101.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA11071 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990719191845.15431.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1101.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:18:45 EDT Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:18:45 -0400 (EDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply To: "'DC Cycles'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What time of day do you drive on the Beltway? Anytime near rush hour, the average speed is more like 50 at best. Or do you mean average speed in the left lane? You'll get no argument that people who poke around in the left lane are being idiots. --- "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" wrote: > So I guess you go 60 on the Beltway? I'm surprised > you haven't been in more > accidents. The average speed on the Beltway is > about 70. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 15:27:47 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA11258 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:27:46 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id PAA02234; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:28:14 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma027879; Mon, 19 Jul 99 15:24:15 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FF400HT9U05OO@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852567B3.006A70EA ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:22:37 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:21:46 -0400 Subject: Pilot Leathers - Opinions? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852567B3.006A692B.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Hi all. I'm going to buy some leathers soon and was hoping for some opinions from the list. I'll be buying two-piece leathers, preferably ones that zip together but don't look strange when worn seperately. Also, the more perforations the better. I've temporarily narrowed my search to Pilot leathers (http://www.pilotusa.com). Their perforated jacket only comes in black, however. Their pants don't have perfs either. Other than those minor (IMO) quibbles, they seem like nice items. Any thoughts? Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 18:41:37 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA14804 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:41:36 -0400 (EDT) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.25) id vFRIa27986 (582); Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:38:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6d96bf1.24c502eb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:38:35 EDT Subject: Re: Pilot Leathers - Opinions? To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 I recently purchased Teknic leather jacket. The front is perfed nicely with two zippered vents in the back. I found it on sale at Valley Cycle near Winchester for about $250. I am satisfied to the point that will probably go ahead and get the pants also. Bob From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 18:57:33 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA15111 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:57:29 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.25) id vLOHa09355 (8018); Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:55:38 EDT Subject: Re: Helmet Music & CD Player To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 In a message dated 7/19/1999 9:49:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX writes: << Maybe I'll try strapping it to my leg like someone mentioned. So far the tankbag is the best solution, but you can't get to the buttons easily and sometimes I don't want to take the bag with me. Chris Weaver 98 VTR 1000 >> Around the leg works great. Full access to the buttons and you can see it easily. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 19:15:42 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA15464 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 19:15:40 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.25) id vACZa27410 (8018); Mon, 19 Jul 1999 19:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 19:12:45 EDT Subject: Re: Pilot Leathers - Opinions? To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 In a message dated 7/19/1999 3:35:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX writes: << I'm going to buy some leathers soon and was hoping for some opinions from the list. I'll be buying two-piece leathers, preferably ones that zip together but don't look strange when worn seperately. Also, the more perforations the better. >> Have you checked out Colleen's site (www.leatherexchange.com) or www.newenough.com. Both sell used leathers that are perfectly fine. I got a pair of pants from Colleen and a one-piece from new-enough. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 21:31:36 1999 Return-Path: blasalle@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA17850 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 21:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bellatlantic.net (client-151-200-119-17.bellatlantic.net [151.200.119.17]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA13417; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 21:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3793D06C.1F241DBB@bellatlantic.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 21:27:09 -0400 From: Brian & Christa LaSalle Reply-To: blasalle@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Sunday's Running of the Squids Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Went down to RFK Sunday, damn hot. Some nice bikes, lots of very expensive paint jobs both on the bikes and the helmets. Lots of chicken stripes, wide ones. As Dan observed, it's a real shame to see Duc 996's with squared off back tires. A few wheelie monsters, (the best being the guys on the dual purpose bikes) couple of nice burnouts, occasional stoppie, most everyone was wearing helmets except one dude on a blue ZX9R, (almost no one was wearing leathers). Lots of standing around and quite a bit of polishing. Everybody was nice enough and no accidents were observed despite having 2 bikes wheelieing at each other on a sandy patchwork access road. Then everyone formed up for a ride to Baltimore's Inner Harbor and we decided that was enough and headed for safer roads. Sounds like we avoided a madhouse. I don't think a joint DC Cycles / DC Sportbike Riders ride is a good idea...... Brian Yellow Nighthawk Quoted from DC Sportbike Riders: Re: The shoot!! ONE_BAD_ZX11 07/19/1999 02:24 pm EDT My wife and I went down to RFK at about 2:00pm on Sunday. There were quite a few bikes there all watching a couple of guys doing wheelies, burnouts, etc. Nothing exciting really. At some point we decided to take a ride up to Baltimore. There was a couple of guys in a pickup truck videoing the bikes behind them as we rode through the city. It was hot as hell. My bike was damn near overheating. Thank god for Redline Water Wetter. Anyway we headed out east Capitol towards the beltway. We picked up a police escort along the way until we hit the Maryland line. From there it was complete bedlum. When we hit the beltway it was every man/woman for themselves. We got on Route 50 and things got worse. Guys were dodging in and out of unusually heavy traffic. At the Route 3/301 exit a Maryland State Trooper decided to try and pull all 100+ bikes over...Not a good idea. From what I heard the cop started to freak some of the riders out somewhere near the Davidsonville exit which caused someone to abruptly hit their brakes causing another rider to run into their back tire. Next thing you know some guy on a yellow/black/purple and white 900RR was laying face down on the pavement. That's where the story ended for me. I had seen 2 riders go down in less than 1 hour riding at relatively slow speeds. The first rider I saw go down was riding a red CBR 600F2 I think with paper tags. He went down as we came out of the RFK parking lot and turned on to Benning Road. Looked like he ran into one of those orange pylons. For my wifes safety as well as mine we decided to go home...It was hot as hell anyway. It was probably a bad idea to try and ride 100+ sportbikes without a police escort and some rider instructions. Hopefully we will all learn something from this. Seems like when we all get together someone goes down. Instead of focusing our efforts on being the fastest...Maybe we should begin to focus some of our efforts on rider safety and riding as a group. Just a thought. Sorry for the long story. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 19 23:11:37 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA19317 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 23:11:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.25) id 2OYSa10256 (4454) for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 23:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 23:10:33 EDT Subject: Re: Pilot Leathers - Opinions? - Motorcycle Leather Exchange To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 I have to chime in here and give praise where praise is due. A few weeks back I bought a brand new set of Joe Rocket leather pants...I think after everything was said and done, I paid $226, and got the chance to try them on and ride around in them before buying....prices competative with mail order with greater flexibility and convenience. It was also nice dealing with a friendly, knowledgable staff with a real face connected to it. (And a real door to knock on should anything go wrong...which hasn't.) I would recommend at least poking through Colleen's site. (She's a fellow lister to boot!) Find her wares at http://members.aol.com/motorle/index.html -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000R From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 06:45:21 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA27857 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 06:45:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 06:42:35 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB0A2F@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 06:42:50 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sure have dealt with the cops where I wasn't ticketed. About ten years ago some guy hopped up on drugs and alcohol wiped out three of our cars parked in front of our house (Crown Vic). I asked the cop if the paramedics where going to do a drug and alcohol test on the guy. He told me yes, and blah blah blah. So I keep calling the cop asking him what happened. He tells me the guy was hopped up on prescription drugs, passed out at the wheel and that's what caused him to lose control. So I asked him what charges were being filed. His answer, None, because nobody saw it. I then told him I had been in the car 10 minutes beforehand and what if I was in the car and got killed? His answer, "that would be different". Mind you no one would have seen the accident if I had been killed either. So I spoke to my friend who is an attorney in Fairfax and he can't understand why the guy didn't get charged either. I know why, cause (most) cops are worthless. So do you need more incidents? I can tell you more. Oh and the cop had told me at the scene that they were looking for this guy because he had threatened to commit suicide earlier that night. Glenn >do you ever interact with cops other than getting a >ticket? From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 06:49:10 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA27877 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 06:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 06:46:28 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB0A30@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 06:46:43 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I'm talking your average speed throughout the day. Obviously during rush hour people can't do 70 in SOME spots of the Beltway. Get over in PG county on the Beltway and that average seems to rise to about 75 or 80. And yes, the right line too. very rarely do I ever see anyone doing 60 or below on the Beltway in ANY of the lanes. Glenn >What time of day do you drive on the Beltway? Anytime >near rush hour, the average speed is more like 50 at >best. Or do you mean average speed in the left lane? >You'll get no argument that people who poke around in >the left lane are being idiots. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 07:17:48 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA28386 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 07:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 07:15:01 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46FCB0A34@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 07:15:14 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) >I dont really drive on the beltway during rush hour. My commute is >non-highway (15 mi), but I generally go 5 over. Not saying that its not >more sometimes... Seems reasonable >Nono. I drive slower to avoid tickets. Not to be safer. I no longer drive >like an _ass_ to be safer. I used to do retarded crap. 70 around a blind >corner (where I hit some lady that was pulling out) in my development, >racing down the equiv. of rt 50 at ~100 mph. Driving home drunk. Just >plain out stupid things. Makes sense. Although I was just talking plain speeding, not excessive (like 30 over). >I think of speeding as a form of voluntary tax. It's random whether you'll >get caught or not, but you certainly elect to pay it. Agreed and I don't mind getting a ticket (that I deserve) as long as the cops don't lie (which I've had happen) and act stupid. I've noticed the State Police at least to be the most honest and properly trained. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 09:09:39 1999 Return-Path: mriderleon@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (law-f87.hotmail.com [209.185.131.150]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA00526 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 99162 invoked by uid 0); 20 Jul 1999 13:09:01 -0000 Message-ID: <19990720130901.99161.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.229.31.22 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 06:09:01 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.229.31.22] Reply-To: mrider@XXXXXX From: "Leon Begeman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 06:09:01 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >I'm talking your average speed throughout the day. 66 miles per day divided by 24 hours is 2.75 mph. If I only count the commuting time, 66/1.75 is still only 37.7. Average speed doesn't mean anything in this situation. Only the maximum speed at a given instance is relevant. Even that doesn't mean anything, since in court, the truth is whatever the judge wants it to be. A related matter. After observing what's happening on the HOV lanes for a few days now (rather than actively participating) I have come to the conclusion that especially in Fairfax County, the HOV lanes are strictly a revenue generating facility. If it were about safety, the cops would be in different places doing different things. Observation: A County motorcycle officer parked on the left shoulder facing traffic without any lights on. A State Patrol car passing traffic at a high rate of speed, without lights on. The same State Patrol car only a couple minutes later parked on the right shoulder in the darkest part under an overpass still without lights. A State Patrol car making a U-turn from the left lane of southbound I-95 into the left lane of the northbound HOV lanes without lights on. Several State Patrol Cars And of course, the cars that sit on the exits (the flyover just past Newington in the morning and Rt1 near the Occoquan River at night) to catch people that can't count to three. If it were about safety, they would sit on the on-ramps to prevent the people who can't count to three from getting on. If it were about safety, they would sit in a location that is easy to see to slow the traffic down. If it were about safety, they would use blue lights when doing unsafe things in front of oncoming traffic. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 09:26:29 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00956 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA15627 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA13266 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mo3980r1.ems.att.com ([135.38.12.14]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MS-2.2) with ESMTP id JAA03902 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from njb140bh1.ems.att.com by mo3980r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id JAA14262; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:25:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by njb140bh1.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <366TV18G>; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:26:08 -0400 Message-ID: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE0135F8DD@vae820po01.nova.att.com> From: "Carver, John M, BGM" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Boycott of Dunkin' Donuts??? Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:25:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Hey I recently read off the VFR list that a DD franchise owner is banning all motorcyclists from his store in Albany, NY. Before I shoot my mouth off to the DD corporate site, I thought I would solicit the collective wisdom of the DC cycles list crowd to see what y'all think. http://www.bolt-of-pa.com/boycott/index.html <-- visit here to see the information for yourself. Sorry, but sometimes I am suspicious of the validity of Internet information; I was bitten in the past ;-) It may not mean much around here in the DC metro area, but where I'm from in NJ, Dunkin' Donuts shops are like Jersey Walls. Maybe I'll start going to Starbucks more often. later . . . John 98VFR From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 09:29:23 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web1105.mail.yahoo.com (web1105.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.125]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01104 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:29:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990720132823.4226.rocketmail@web1105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1105.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:28:23 EDT Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:28:23 -0400 (EDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii actually, in the case of HOV enforcement, I don't think it's about safety, it's about encouraging carpooling. --- Leon Begeman wrote: [stuff about HOV] === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 09:51:04 1999 Return-Path: horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net (mailprime.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01532 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:51:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:52:05 -0400 Message-Id: <199907200952.AA11665730@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Horkster" Reply-To: To: "DC Cycles" Subject: FWD: PW Journal (Editorial) July 20th X-Mailer: DC Dirtbikers take note: A grassroots campaign is starting in Prince William County to find an official place to ride off highway vehicles. Their (our) next meeting is Thursday, the 22nd (I'll post more info on that later). If you have an ATV/dirtbike and want a legal place to ride in the area, you might want to show up and cheer these folks on. I certainly will be doing so. :) Dale (the politically active Horkster) (no dirtbike yet) ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: PWORC@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 07:03:05 EDT Citizen coalition THE DEBATE SURROUNDING off-road vehicles has recently flared again. But this time organization and cooperation may yield a solution. For about a decade, area off-road vehicle enthusiasts have applied a variation on a squatters' rights theory to acquiring space to enjoy their sport. But as vacant lots suited for the sport have decreased, complaints from neighbors disturbed by the byproducts of flying dust and roaring engines have increased. Off-road vehicle is the umbrella term that includes dirt bikes, all-terrain vehicles and dual-purpose motorcycles. Worried that the local future of off-roading is at risk, devotees Joyce Entremont and John Meyer are organizing riders into the Prince William Off-Road Coalition. Once leadership is established in each magisterial district, Meyer and Entremont plan to file for a charter with the American Motorcycle Association. The first fruits of the grass-roots group is a missive from the Prince William Board of County Supervisors directing county staff to examine a section of land at the Prince William landfill as a potential ride park. A report is expected next month. If approved, the designated section of public property would provide an officially sanctioned venue for riders, free from fear of citations by police. Currently, it is against a county ordinance for riders to use county property for sport or to ride on private property sans permission. It's good to see county residents and officials working together to create a legal place for off-road vehicles. And we heartily approve plans to expand the sport to include at-risk juveniles as a way of keeping them out of trouble. But several assurances must be in place prior to approval. Above all else, the sport must be safe for both adults and children. Because government should never condone reckless behavior, the top of the safety checklist must require participants to wear helmets. The coalition and area law enforcement must assure compliance. Additionally, the ride park should not generate a burdensome amount of noise to surrounding homes. Sufficient buffers and/or limits on the maximum numbers of riders at one time would achieve the goal. Off-roading is enjoying a resurgence of popularity as a family-friendly sport. So long as safety precautions are upheld, the environment isn't unduly harmed and neighbors aren't forced to wear earplugs in their living rooms, the county should allow riders in designated public areas. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 09:54:20 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01550 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:54:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA15804 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1102.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.122]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA13924 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990720135347.15331.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1102.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:53:47 EDT Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:53:47 -0400 (EDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Boycott of Dunkin' Donuts??? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Interesting, anybody know if it's the DD at Lark & Madison? From my Albany days, I remember that they were real sticklers about anyone parking in their lot while not in the shop... there was normally a tow truck sitting in the lot waiting. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 10:01:05 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01745 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A11890901B2; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:00:56 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990720094635.00be9a20@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:01:37 -0400 To: "Carver, John M, BGM" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Boycott of Dunkin' Donuts??? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9FE88F6AE3C1D211AE530000C0E871EE0135F8DD@vae820po01.nova.a tt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:25 AM 7/20/99 , you wrote: >Hey I recently read off the VFR list that a DD franchise owner is banning >all motorcyclists from his store in Albany, NY. > >Before I shoot my mouth off to the DD corporate site, I thought I would >solicit the collective wisdom of the DC cycles list crowd to see what y'all >think. http://www.bolt-of-pa.com/boycott/index.html <-- visit here to see >the information for yourself. Could be true, but it seems a little odd. First, a Dunkin Donuts is actually supposed to be a mecca for yuppies and the upwardly mobile? That doesn't sound like any Dunkin Donuts I've ever seen. Second, has there been some trouble? While generally a restaurant can refuse service to anyone, I'd think it odd to ban an entire "class" of customers. Anyway, don't yuppies ride fancy Harley's and BMW's? Seems like they'd WANT people like that. Third, I notice that someone who calls himself "Animal" has posted several comments at http://www.bolt-of-pa.com/wwwboard/index.html If customers were acting like "animals" perhaps that's part of the problem. BOLT (Bikers of Lesser Tolerance) of PA, the sister organization of BOLT of NY who's calling for the boycott says on their website - "No compromise, no politically correctness, and no BS. We are not an MRO (Motorcycle Rights Organization), nor are we a charity-feeding group of weekend riders. We want to ride helmetless, and we do. Period. We answer to no group, we tell no group what to do. We are very active, politically and otherwise, publicly and secretly. We have no rules, except those we chose to follow." from http://www.bolt-of-pa.com/index.html Sure would like to hear from more people around that area, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 10:06:43 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01903 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA15890 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA14153 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A26834640120; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:06:32 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990720100641.00bf1100@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:07:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Boycott of Dunkin' Donuts??? In-Reply-To: <19990720135347.15331.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:53 AM 7/20/99 , John Whiteside wrote: >Interesting, anybody know if it's the DD at Lark & >Madison? From my Albany days, I remember that they >were real sticklers about anyone parking in their lot >while not in the shop... there was normally a tow >truck sitting in the lot waiting. On http://www.bolt-of-pa.com/boltny/index.html it looks like it's at Lark and Jefferson. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 10:07:18 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01905 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:07:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.172.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FF600CKK9S4CH@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:04:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA21492; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:03:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990720140450.VDSJ3540@toddnt>; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:04:50 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:03:02 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply In-reply-to: <19990720132823.4226.rocketmail@web1105.mail.yahoo.com> To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000401bed2b8$94f210e0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Regardless of what you think John, one of a patrolmans primary duties is to promote safety. This applies across the board, HOV, whatever. One of Leons observations I have often wondered about as well is the fact that the police wait at off ramps to ticket offenders of the HOV rules. It is somewhat satisfying to me to see people getting nicked for the violation of carrying less than 3 people, but at the same time it is all to obvious that this offense wouldn't be a problem if the police parked at the 'on-ramps'. But as Leon noted, it's about revenue not about discouraging the scofflaws. The fact that the police have been practicing this sort of 'enforcement' policy for years should make it clear that it has done nothing to encourage carpooling. Todd John Whiteside wrote: > > > actually, in the case of HOV enforcement, I don't > think it's about safety, it's about encouraging > carpooling. > > --- Leon Begeman wrote: > [stuff about HOV] > > === > John Whiteside > Arlington, VA > jwhiteside@XXXXXX > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 10:11:02 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1104.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.124]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA01935 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990720141106.28163.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1104.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:11:06 EDT Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:11:06 -0400 (EDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Todd Peer wrote: > Regardless of what you think John, one of a > patrolmans primary duties is to > promote safety. This applies across the board, HOV, > whatever. I agree, and I think you're right about on-ramps vs off-ramps. From what I've seen on 66, strangely enough, it seems to be the on-ramps where they hang out. Of course it's different story when the whole road is HOV rather than just one or two lanes... on the toll road they hang out on the left throughout the road. (You can't tell where someone is going to go when they are entering.) > The fact that the police have been > practicing this sort of > 'enforcement' policy for years should make it clear > that it has done nothing > to encourage carpooling. Actually the DC area has one of the highest rates of carpooling in the nation. Human nature being what it is, if you are going to have HOV you are going to have to have enforcement forever; stop, and people will start breaking the rules. === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 10:44:06 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02559 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA16153 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1101.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.121]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA15047 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990720144325.5681.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1101.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:43:25 EDT Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:43:25 -0400 (EDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Boycott of Dunkin' Donuts??? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Interesting.... it's the one I'm thinking of (it's been over 10 years so my Albany geography is off). Their big issue always seemed to be that they are right in an area with horrible street parking (worse than in most of DC) and lots of nightlife & people would try to park there to go other places. The owner had a reputation for being kind of a jerk (to everyone). As I recall it was a pretty run down DD, as DDs go. --- Chris Norloff wrote: > At 09:53 AM 7/20/99 , John Whiteside wrote: > >Interesting, anybody know if it's the DD at Lark & > >Madison? From my Albany days, I remember that they > >were real sticklers about anyone parking in their > lot > >while not in the shop... there was normally a tow > >truck sitting in the lot waiting. > > > On http://www.bolt-of-pa.com/boltny/index.html it > looks like it's at Lark > and Jefferson. > > Chris Norloff === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 10:48:12 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02648 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id AC299B501C4; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:48:09 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990720103357.00bb0890@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:45:40 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply In-Reply-To: <000401bed2b8$94f210e0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <19990720132823.4226.rocketmail@web1105.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:03 AM 7/20/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >One of Leons observations I have often wondered about as well is the fact >that the police wait at off ramps to ticket offenders of the HOV rules. It >is somewhat satisfying to me to see people getting nicked for the violation >of carrying less than 3 people, but at the same time it is all to obvious >that this offense wouldn't be a problem if the police parked at the >'on-ramps'. But as Leon noted, it's about revenue not about discouraging >the scofflaws. Well it's certainly about hitting people where it hurts - their wallet. A $20 fine wouldn't be much disincentive. A fine up to $500 is enough to wake up even a jaded SUV-yuppie. If there were officers at all on-ramps there would be no HOV violaters on the HOV lanes, but the current sentiment of anti-tax and reduced-government means fewer police officers, not more. Based on my observations of I-66 inside the beltway, I think the officers choose locations for where they can stop out of sight until it's too late, and where it's safe for them to be stopped and safe for the violaters to pull over. I've seen officers on entrance ramps as well as exit ramps. But they're not going to stop in full sight, that would be kind of stupid. In addition, I should think it would be easier to get a conviction if the violater is caught exiting rather than entering the HOV lanes. This is certainly the case on part of I-66 westbound where violaters can say they're actually going to Dulles Airport (legally). HOV lanes can be argued, but the net effect is to make it easier to commute for those who choose something other than one-person-one-car. With the second worst traffic in the country and doomed to get worse, it's too bad there are people who are still fighting this one part of the solution. Chris Norloff Falls Church, Virginia 1989 BMW K100LT, 1982 Honda CB750F, 1981 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 10:48:48 1999 Return-Path: altaanc@XXXXXX Received: from hotmail.com (f308.hotmail.com [207.82.251.221]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA02651 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 55693 invoked by uid 0); 20 Jul 1999 14:48:10 -0000 Message-ID: <19990720144810.55692.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.164.237.175 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 07:48:10 PDT X-Originating-IP: [216.164.237.175] From: "Altaan Choudhry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 07:48:10 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Does anybody on this list ride a Yellow Triumph Daytona. If you do, nice ride on I66 yesterday evening. --Altaan Choudhry 9D6 FiZzeR _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 11:34:27 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03544 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA16686 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.wheatintl.com (smtp.wheatintl.com [209.249.185.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA16340 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture.wheatintl.com [209.249.185.69]) by smtp.wheatintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA16118 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:34:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990720113318.01afd030@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:34:19 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Troutman Subject: Non-bike relaed...need BGP/Linux help Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anyone out there know someone that will consult with me on Linux gated BGP4? I need help ASAP....name your price. _________________________________________ Michael J. Troutman Network Development Manager Wheat International Communications Corporation Reston, Virginia 703.262.9172 dir 703.262.9130 fax Indecision is the key to flexibility. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 11:39:02 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03632 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:38:19 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: It's official.. Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:38:08 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) The SV is now an available bike... so my first USED SV for sale today... less than 1,000 miles, $4000/OBO. It's even fairly local (Annapolis, MD).... damn, and I was planning on buying a truck/van... might have to reevaluate (yea, I need to own another bike... right) Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 13:07:37 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05148 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:06:58 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Helmet Sound & Amps Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:06:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Found the page I was looking for: http://www.ultranet.com/~peloqun Bob Peloquin Monster Amp personal stereo amplifiers His amp is more powerful than either the Headbanger or the Boosteroo and accepts multiple inputs, e.g. CB, radio, and radar detector uh, but not in VA Good news: I know Bob; he's conscientious and I've heard good things about his amps. Bad news: He custom makes each amp and it's good riding weather (bad soldering weather). Good news: he's posted Instructions for the Honda VFR750 H4 headlight conversion Good news: the site is worth looking at if you're interested in old Magna posters (hubba hubba). Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 13:36:32 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05790 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erols.com (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA19707; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3794B281.715F19E0@erols.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:31:45 -0400 From: Kirt Senser X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-RR061898 (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cbr@XXXXXX Subject: Sunday's "Running of the Squids" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I noticed a couple e-mails about this past weekend. I was up there on sunday, but haven't really had a chance to sit down and tell of my experiences. So, here it goes... First off, it was hotter than hell. Second, while they did have free water, free food and soda was not available (like it was stated to be in the various announcements about the event). Oh well... I was thinking at least I'll get to see some cool stuff. As I'm sure many of you know, the parking lot of RFK (like all things in DC) is CRAP. Very bumpy, grass growing in the crack, gravel everywhere... etc., etc. So, after sitting around for an hour waiting for more bikes (and the people organizing it), finally some people started doing wheelies on the access road. Most of them (not that I'm one to talk...yet), were crappy at doing wheelies... However, the guys on dirt bikes were pulling some pretty cool ones on the bumpy roads. A few sport bikes got the front wheel up here and there, but mostly these little dirt bikes stole the show. Then, it was decided that we should roll out to Baltimore harbor (for some reason). My encounters on the way were a little different than some of the other listers... After being escorted through DC by the police, they let us loose on the road. I (mostly) just hung out around the jeep that had the camera guy in it, because I neither have the power or ability (yet) to do wheelies at 70+ mph on the highway, and because the jeep wasn't speeding too bad. I did do a couple back off a little, blow by the jeep at 120 mph when traffic opened up, but that was the extent of my squidly behavior in front of the camera. However, I saw some other people do some REALLY cool stuff. This fella Tom, riding a new R1, who I met when I got there (he was putting on his new steering dampener), is the Wheelie King. He pulled some of the coolest, most under control wheelies I've seen in a while. HIGH, HIGH, balance point wheelies for as long as he wanted to hold them up. Did all the standard stuff, side-saddle, one hand, standing on the pegs, etc. etc. But he looked the best, and I'm sure he will be quite the highlight of the video. Any ways, as we are going down 50 a MD state trooper pulls around us on the shoulder, and gets in front of the main "pack" of bikes. There were a smaller group of maybe 20 riders farther ahead, but I guess he wasn't worried about them. So, he starts slowing down. At first many people, myself included, thought that maybe he was an escort like we had in DC. As a few bikes started to pass him, he began WEAVING back and forth in an effort to dissuade people from leaving (maybe he was waiting for backup to arrive before pulling all of us over). So, as he is doing his weaving bit, about 15 of us drop off an exit ramp heading towards Bowie. The lead rider, realizing that he took the southbound exit hopped the median, and we all followed suit. This, and my 120+ mph passes, were my only illegal activities for the day. So, we made our way throughout the Bowie area, and miraculously ended up meeting up with our group on Rt. 97 heading into Baltimore, after some spirited back roads riding. As we are rolling up 97, I notice traffic has stopped ahead. Naturally begin slowing down. I think it's an accident, actually it's a ROADBLOCK. MD State troopers rolled up next to us and began directing people to the side. They pulled over everyone I think, well over 100 bikes. After a license and registration check (I think a few bikes were impounded and people arrested), we got the don't ride in such huge groups and be safe lecture (testament that cops are cool, unless people gave them lip, they were all *really* nice and understanding). So they let us leave in small groups. The rest of the trip into Baltimore, sitting around in the harbor talking shit (read : annoying squids), and the return into the most ghetto neighborhood in all of DC was fairly uneventful. I left soon after arriving back in DC. So, the unofficial totals were 3 accidents, 2 arrests, and 3 impounded motorcycles (I believe). First accident was a guy that rear ended another bike. He went down, and aside from trashing his bike, heard that he was ok. Another guy supposedly rear ended a car at 110, and got pretty f*%$ed up. And lastly, someone ran off the road and into a ditch on 295. He appeared ok when I rode past. He was standing outside the ambulance. All in all, an OK day...I guess. Keep an eye out for the video, I'm the ONLY guy on a bone-stock Yellow/Black/White/Purple 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR (wearing my un-PC black helmet). Kirt 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va 703-523-7744 (pager/voice-mail) PS - If anyone wants to ride, lemme know :-) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 13:59:00 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06257 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:58:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A8DF957A00AC; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:58:55 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990720135817.00bba6c0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:59:27 -0400 To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCy'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Helmet Sound & Amps In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:06 PM 7/20/99 , Custer, Carl wrote: > Found the page I was looking for: > http://www.ultranet.com/~peloqun > Bob Peloquin > Monster Amp personal stereo amplifiers I'm getting a "Bad Request" on www.ultranet.com (and www.ultranet.org and www.ultranet.net also). Does that address work okay for you? thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 14:13:41 1999 Return-Path: schelzig@XXXXXX Received: from research.circ.gwu.edu (research.circ.gwu.edu [128.164.127.250]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA06533 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by research.circ.gwu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17116; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:15:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Erik Schelzig To: Kirt Senser cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cbr@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday's "Running of the Squids" In-Reply-To: <3794B281.715F19E0@erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, Kirt Senser wrote: > As we are rolling up 97, I notice traffic has stopped ahead. Naturally > begin slowing down. I think it's an accident, actually it's a > ROADBLOCK. MD State troopers rolled up next to us and began directing > people to the side. They pulled over everyone I think, well over 100 > bikes. After a license and registration check (I think a few bikes were > impounded and people arrested), we got the don't ride in such huge > groups and be safe lecture (testament that cops are cool, unless people > gave them lip, they were all *really* nice and understanding). So they > let us leave in small groups. I assume you are being sarcastic in your assesment of police niceties? When's the last time 100 cars were pulled over for liscense and registration checks? Probable cause, anyone? Or was it obvious that EVERYONE was speeding? Bests, Erik From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 14:21:42 1999 Return-Path: ksenser@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA06768 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erols.com (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA08359; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3794BD14.22E14532@erols.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:16:52 -0400 From: Kirt Senser X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-RR061898 (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erik Schelzig , cbr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday's "Running of the Squids" References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No sarcasm. I'm sure there was a few people that supplied the police with probably cause (like the one who rode past them at 100+ on the back wheel the first time a cop tried to block us/slow us down). But, they weren't trying to give us ALL speeding tickets. I think they were just taking advantage of the situation to track down riders with no M class license, bad registration, or other "interesting" records. Kirt Senser 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR Annandale, Va 703-523-7744 (pager/voice-mail) Erik Schelzig wrote: > > On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, Kirt Senser wrote: > > > As we are rolling up 97, I notice traffic has stopped ahead. Naturally > > begin slowing down. I think it's an accident, actually it's a > > ROADBLOCK. MD State troopers rolled up next to us and began directing > > people to the side. They pulled over everyone I think, well over 100 > > bikes. After a license and registration check (I think a few bikes were > > impounded and people arrested), we got the don't ride in such huge > > groups and be safe lecture (testament that cops are cool, unless people > > gave them lip, they were all *really* nice and understanding). So they > > let us leave in small groups. > > I assume you are being sarcastic in your assesment of police niceties? > When's the last time 100 cars were pulled over for liscense and > registration checks? Probable cause, anyone? Or was it obvious that > EVERYONE was speeding? > > Bests, > > Erik From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 14:35:30 1999 Return-Path: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com ([198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07041 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:35:29 -0400 (EDT) From: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from OsbornKev@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.25) id 2BQWa27414 (3889) for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9f88c4f9.24c61b16@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:33:58 EDT Subject: Re: Sunday's "Running of the Squids" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 24 Brian, Dan, & Fred ... based on the report from Kirt it looks like we made the right choice. Here's my recap. The 4 of us got down the RFK about 1:45 and proceeded to hang out until about 4:00. What a joke. The event was really hyped up, but in fact was pretty cheesy. Free water, but no t-shirts, food, soda, or anything else. The two guys running the show looked less than organized or professional with their 1980 RCA VHS cam-corder (ok, it might not have been an RCA). There were well over 50 bikes and nothing too spectacular. The R1 Kirt mentioned was able to pull some nice wheelies but the rest of the pack was purely amateur and did not make us feel comfortable standing too close to the road. The guy on the ZX9R without the helmet almost went over backwards and a lot of others whose wheelies were up and down and up and down. Some were even a little out of control. There were a couple of stoppies and minor burnouts. About the time all the bikes started to line up behind the Jeep the four of us decided not to participate. It is just something about guys starting to talk *%&#, then showing off for the camera in groups of 100 riding on public roads that means trouble. And by the sounds of Kirts report (accidents, arrests, impoundments) I'm glad we decided not to follow. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 14:45:54 1999 Return-Path: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07238 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:42:56 -0400 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F0206BEDC@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B Mr SAM" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Sunday's "Running of the Squids" Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:43:17 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) OK, so cops are so cool that they are allowed to tell you to ride in smaller groups? Is there a law that I missed somewhere? I don't remember seeing the law that says you can't have 100+ bikes all ride together. Oh and this still sounds like it was a squidly event to me. Glenn "still don't like most cops" Dysart As we are rolling up 97, I notice traffic has stopped ahead. Naturally begin slowing down. I think it's an accident, actually it's a ROADBLOCK. MD State troopers rolled up next to us and began directing people to the side. They pulled over everyone I think, well over 100 bikes. After a license and registration check (I think a few bikes were impounded and people arrested), we got the don't ride in such huge groups and be safe lecture (testament that cops are cool, unless people gave them lip, they were all *really* nice and understanding). So they let us leave in small groups. The rest of the trip into Baltimore, sitting around in the harbor talking shit (read : annoying squids), and the return into the most ghetto neighborhood in all of DC was fairly uneventful. I left soon after arriving back in DC. So, the unofficial totals were 3 accidents, 2 arrests, and 3 impounded motorcycles (I believe). First accident was a guy that rear ended another bike. He went down, and aside from trashing his bike, heard that he was ok. Another guy supposedly rear ended a car at 110, and got pretty f*%$ed up. And lastly, someone ran off the road and into a ditch on 295. He appeared ok when I rode past. He was standing outside the ambulance. All in all, an OK day...I guess. Keep an eye out for the video, I'm the ONLY guy on a bone-stock Yellow/Black/White/Purple 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR (wearing my un-PC black helmet). From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 15:09:07 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.mcit.com (omzrelay01.mcit.com [199.249.19.243]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07646 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38416) with ESMTP id <0FF60001MMGDU5@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:38:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA14900; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:34:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990720183836.ZNOD3540@toddnt>; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:38:36 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:36:46 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Sunday's "Running of the Squids" In-reply-to: <3794B281.715F19E0@erols.com> To: Kirt Senser , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cbr@XXXXXX Message-id: <000f01bed2de$d28c3810$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Kirt, are you making all this up? Don't take any of my comments personally, as the way you've written this makes it sound like you were simply an observer. But I'm having trouble believing any of it. Kirt Senser wrote: > I noticed a couple e-mails about this past weekend. I was up there on > sunday, but haven't really had a chance to sit down and tell of my > experiences. So, here it goes... > > After being escorted through DC by the police, they let us loose on the > road. Choice of wording here is key. The police "let us loose". Imagine this folks. Over 100 rabid squids "let loose" on unsuspecting motorists. Yikes! > I (mostly) just hung out.....This fella Tom, riding a new R1, who I met > when I got there......, is the Wheelie King. He pulled some of the > coolest, most under control wheelies I've seen in a while. HIGH, HIGH, > balance point wheelies for as long as he wanted to > hold them up. Ok, I can appreciate a good HIGH wheelie when it is apparently under control. But I bet the rest of the squids that were "let loose", flushed with the testosterone rush of stupidity probably felt compelled to copy-cat which caused..... > > Any ways, as we are going down 50 a MD state trooper pulls around us on > the shoulder, and gets in front of the main "pack" of bikes. There were > a smaller group of maybe 20 riders farther ahead, but I guess he wasn't > worried about them. So, he starts slowing down. At first many people, > myself included, thought that maybe he was an escort like we had in DC. > As a few bikes started to pass him, he began WEAVING back and forth in > an effort to dissuade people from leaving (maybe he was waiting for > backup to arrive before pulling all of us over). So, as he is doing his > weaving bit, about 15 of us drop off an exit ramp heading towards > Bowie. .... I think it's an accident, actually it's a > ROADBLOCK. MD State troopers rolled up next to us and began directing > people to the side. They pulled over everyone I think, well over 100 > bikes. .....a ROADBLOCK. Jesus Christ I'm glad I wasn't riding with you knuckleheads. > After a license and registration check (I think a few bikes were > impounded and people arrested), we got the don't ride in such huge > groups and be safe lecture (testament that cops are cool, unless people > gave them lip, they were all *really* nice and understanding). This is funny. The cops were nice and understanding. LOL. They understood to put a roadblock up and disband the malcontents that were "let loose" by DC's finest (LOL again). They were nice enough to get you guys going again in smaller numbers so as not too....... > So, the unofficial totals were 3 accidents, 2 arrests, and 3 impounded > motorcycles (I believe). First accident was a guy that rear ended > another bike. He went down, and aside from trashing his bike, heard > that he was ok. Another guy supposedly rear ended a car at 110, and got > pretty f*%$ed up. ....... ram-rod the unsuspecting. Un-real! > And lastly, someone ran off the road and into a ditch > on 295. He appeared ok when I rode past. He was standing outside the > ambulance. All in all, an OK day...I guess. Keep an eye out for the > video, I'm the ONLY guy on a bone-stock Yellow/Black/White/Purple 1996 > CBR 600F3 SJR (wearing my un-PC black helmet). > > Kirt > 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR > Annandale, Va > 703-523-7744 (pager/voice-mail) > > > PS - If anyone wants to ride, lemme know :-) Yeah....right! From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 15:10:09 1999 Return-Path: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07652 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:10:04 -0400 (EDT) From: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from OsbornKev@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.25) id 2DYYa28211 (3889) for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:08:15 EDT Subject: Re: Sunday's "Running of the Squids" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 24 It sounds like a perfectly good trade off to me. No doubt the cops could have given everyone in the pack speeding tickets. And depending on speed and number of wheels on the ground, reckless tickets to others. Some folks would lose their license and maybe their bike. Everyone's wallet would take a hit, some would lose their insurance and everyone's rates would increase. So instead they stop everyone and check for license and insurance and make them ride in smaller groups. No doubt the 100 bikes and riders I saw did not make for safe riding. I don't know about anyone else, but the cops can stop me for anything they like providing they don't ticket me and cause my insurance to increase. I'll make that trade any day of the week. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 15:12:32 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA07746 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 20 Jul 1999 22:11:17 UT Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:09 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Dysart; Glenn B Mr SAM" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re:RE: Sunday's "Running of the Squids" Message-ID: <1999072015115435-33df42a1@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii VA "suggests" that riders break up into smaller groups. I perceive it as the law since it's on the exam. One would think that riding in such a large group would cause a problem with traffic, etc. Common sense should tell you that you're going to get busted just on basic principle. Either way you look at it though... these guys had it coming to them. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: RE: Sunday's "Running of the Squids" Author: Glenn.Dysart@XXXXXX (Dysart; Glenn B Mr SAM) Date: 07/20/1999 2:43 PM OK, so cops are so cool that they are allowed to tell you to ride in smaller groups? Is there a law that I missed somewhere? I don't remember seeing the law that says you can't have 100+ bikes all ride together. Oh and this still sounds like it was a squidly event to me. Glenn "still don't like most cops" Dysart As we are rolling up 97, I notice traffic has stopped ahead. Naturally begin slowing down. I think it's an accident, actually it's a ROADBLOCK. MD State troopers rolled up next to us and began directing people to the side. They pulled over everyone I think, well over 100 bikes. After a license and registration check (I think a few bikes were impounded and people arrested), we got the don't ride in such huge groups and be safe lecture (testament that cops are cool, unless people gave them lip, they were all *really* nice and understanding). So they let us leave in small groups. The rest of the trip into Baltimore, sitting around in the harbor talking shit (read : annoying squids), and the return into the most ghetto neighborhood in all of DC was fairly uneventful. I left soon after arriving back in DC. So, the unofficial totals were 3 accidents, 2 arrests, and 3 impounded motorcycles (I believe). First accident was a guy that rear ended another bike. He went down, and aside from trashing his bike, heard that he was ok. Another guy supposedly rear ended a car at 110, and got pretty f*%$ed up. And lastly, someone ran off the road and into a ditch on 295. He appeared ok when I rode past. He was standing outside the ambulance. All in all, an OK day...I guess. Keep an eye out for the video, I'm the ONLY guy on a bone-stock Yellow/Black/White/Purple 1996 CBR 600F3 SJR (wearing my un-PC black helmet). From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 15:15:59 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07836 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 12:15:07 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 12:06:02 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Chris.. I find flaw with your argument... you're stating that the police are doing things in their saftey (and the peone they do business with)... whereas if they would position themselves in plain sight, the laws wouldn't be broken in the first place. I can see how unmarked cars MIGHT give a driver incentive to slow down (behave)... but an OBVIOUS cop car ALWAYS slows down traffic (wakes them up).... Tis better to be seen and stop the crime from happening than to hide and the punish the offender in my book. Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 15:52:04 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1101.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA08500 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990720195118.9432.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1101.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:51:18 EDT Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:51:18 -0400 (EDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply To: "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Only works if you have a lot of cops in sight everywhere all the time. The potential of getting pulled over by an unmarked car or coming around a curve and getting nailed by the cop they couldn't see does slow people down. And it's a lot cheaper than putting your whole police force out sitting at the side of the road throughout the entire highway system so that people don't speed. --- "McCoy, Brian NAB02" wrote: > Chris.. > > I find flaw with your argument... you're stating > that the police are > doing things in their saftey (and the peone they do > business with)... > whereas if they would position themselves in plain > sight, the laws wouldn't > be broken in the first place. > > I can see how unmarked cars MIGHT give a driver > incentive to slow down > (behave)... but an OBVIOUS cop car ALWAYS slows down > traffic (wakes them > up).... > > > Tis better to be seen and stop the crime from > happening than to hide and the > punish the offender in my book. > > Brian > > === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 16:00:00 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08599 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A53B9A901B2; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:59:55 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990720155113.00bab370@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:58:14 -0400 To: "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:06 PM 7/20/99 , McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: >Chris.. > > I find flaw with your argument... you're stating that the police are >doing things in their saftey (and the peone they do business with)... >whereas if they would position themselves in plain sight, the laws wouldn't >be broken in the first place. Horseshit. Visible marked cars merely get drivers to comply in the direct vicinity of the car (and encourage accidents as idiot drivers slam on their brakes). Hidden cars which can catch the violators work by the threat of a ticket, a delay, and rising insurance rates. >I can see how unmarked cars MIGHT give a driver incentive to slow down >(behave)... but an OBVIOUS cop car ALWAYS slows down traffic (wakes them >up).... Sure, you get a massive slowdown right next to the car, increased liklihood of rear-end collisions, and complete disregard as soon as the drivers are past the cop car. >Tis better to be seen and stop the crime from happening than to hide and the >punish the offender in my book. What do you suggest, a cop car every half-mile? Or do you we should have 55mph pace cars like they did in the '70's? Come on, comply with laws, if you choose not to comply then beware of possible costs. Work to change unreasonable laws. No reason to turn this into a Big Brother reminding everyone of the law at all times. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 16:19:38 1999 Return-Path: djones@XXXXXX Received: from inetmail3.bigyellow.com ([167.241.105.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA08962 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:19:38 -0400 (EDT) From: djones@XXXXXX Received: from inetmail2.bigyellow.com ([167.241.105.101]) by inetmail3.bigyellow.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2607.0) id N906FX8L; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:19:33 -0400 Received: from Lynsmtp1.bigyellow.com (LYNSMTP1 [167.241.105.221]) by inetmail2.bigyellow.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id N9N8JMMJ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:19:34 -0400 Received: by Lynsmtp1.bigyellow.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852567B4.006FA5CA ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:19:29 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: NIRC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852567B4.006F5535.00@Lynsmtp1.bigyellow.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:18:40 -0400 Subject: Radio Shack Titanium Pro-25 Hey Todd, How did you mount these ear phones. Thanks, DJ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 16:41:49 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09343 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA32640; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:41:42 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990720164044.021924f0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:41:40 -0400 To: djones@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Radio Shack Titanium Pro-25 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <852567B4.006F5535.00@Lynsmtp1.bigyellow.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:18 PM 7/20/99 , djones@XXXXXX wrote: >Hey Todd, > >How did you mount these ear phones. > >Thanks, DJ Oops, I'm not Todd! Oh well.... The easiest way is to add the scratchy velcro to the back of the speakers. It sticks to the helmet lining and makes for easy removal. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 16:46:44 1999 Return-Path: TZell@XXXXXX Received: from foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org (smtp.fanniemaefoundation.org [38.241.255.199]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09508 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpgate.fanniemaefoundation.org by foundfw.fanniemaefoundation.org via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 20 Jul 1999 23:45:32 UT Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:44 -0400 From: "Tom Zell" To: "Erik Schelzig" , "ksenser@XXXXXX" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "cbr@XXXXXX" Subject: Re[2]: Sunday's "Running of the Squids" Message-ID: <19990720144450681-33c67d67@fanniemaefoundation.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >From what I understand, it is illegal to ride in extremely large groups not to mention that most folks were probably flat freakin' flyin'... looks like they had it coming to them. When I used to street race (cars) a few years back, this was a common occurrence. The police knew what we were doing, we knew that we were breaking the law, and we got what we deserved. Most of us knew to have all of our stuff in order, however. Tom '86 VFR750 ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: Sunday's "Running of the Squids" Author: schelzig@XXXXXX (Erik Schelzig) Date: 07/20/1999 2:15 PM I assume you are being sarcastic in your assesment of police niceties? When's the last time 100 cars were pulled over for liscense and registration checks? Probable cause, anyone? Or was it obvious that EVERYONE was speeding? Bests, Erik From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 16:51:56 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09619 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FF600CL0SFGB2@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:47:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA02793; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:43:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990720204740.BOZN3540@toddnt>; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:47:40 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:45:49 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply In-reply-to: <19990720195118.9432.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX, "'dc'" Message-id: <001301bed2f0$d9af2230$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal I think what Brian was saying was that the mere presence of the cruiser in plain site would accomplish the "supposed" desired outcome, at least for that section of roadway, which is enforcing compliance with the law. I think we all can agree that it would be a ridiculous waste of police resources to simply place cruisers around town to make people slow down. But wait, Arlington County already does this!! In any case, I agree with Brian. A cop sitting in the bushes/shadows/whatever exclaiming GOTCHA to his/her next victem doesn't work either. People see a busy officer and just zoom on by. If they see a NOT busy officer, they slow down. Now isn't that the point? The REAL problem are arbitrary speed limits. As Glenn Dysart already pointed out, nobody travels our beltway at less than 60mph w/o becoming a road hazard. In non-rush hour situations, there is no need for a 55mph limit (unless you are the local gubmn't and you need to finance your latest questionable social program....I digress..). So let's be realistic here. The police are doing a job that they have been instructed to do. Ticket speeders. The speed limits are (purposely?) to low in most cases. It's a racket! Todd John Whiteside [mailto:johncx500@XXXXXX] > Only works if you have a lot of cops in sight > everywhere all the time. The potential of getting > pulled over by an unmarked car or coming around a > curve and getting nailed by the cop they couldn't see > does slow people down. And it's a lot cheaper than > putting your whole police force out sitting at the > side of the road throughout the entire highway system > so that people don't speed. > > --- "McCoy, Brian NAB02" > wrote: > > Chris.. > > > > I find flaw with your argument... you're stating > > that the police are > > doing things in their saftey (and the peone they do > > business with)... > > whereas if they would position themselves in plain > > sight, the laws wouldn't > > be broken in the first place. > > > > I can see how unmarked cars MIGHT give a driver > > incentive to slow down > > (behave)... but an OBVIOUS cop car ALWAYS slows down > > traffic (wakes them > > up).... > > > > > > Tis better to be seen and stop the crime from > > happening than to hide and the > > punish the offender in my book. > > > > Brian > > > > > > === > John Whiteside > Arlington, VA > jwhiteside@XXXXXX > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 16:55:06 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay02.mcit.com (omzrelay02.mcit.com [199.249.19.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09662 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com ([166.37.204.49]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38417) with ESMTP id <0FF600E19SN7AL@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:52:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA06460; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:53:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990720205219.BQYY3540@toddnt>; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:52:19 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:50:28 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Radio Shack Titanium Pro-25 In-reply-to: <852567B4.006F5535.00@Lynsmtp1.bigyellow.com> To: djones@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001501bed2f1$8005fd20$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal I mounted mine in a SHOEI Duo-Tec. Had to pull the cloth and used a soldering iron to melt away the styrofoam. Take careful measurements. Most helmets have a round indentation in the styrofoam where speakers can go. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: djones@XXXXXX [mailto:djones@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 4:19 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Radio Shack Titanium Pro-25 > > > Hey Todd, > > How did you mount these ear phones. > > Thanks, DJ > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 16:59:21 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay03.mcit.com (omzrelay03.mcit.com [199.249.19.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09736 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com ([166.37.172.6]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38418) with ESMTP id <0FF6001PNSN6HB@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:52:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzmta04.mcit.com (omzmta04.mcit.com [166.37.194.122]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA02722; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:48:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.251.160]) by omzmta04.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990720205217.BQYS3540@toddnt>; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:52:17 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:50:27 -0400 From: Todd Peer Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply In-reply-to: <4.2.0.58.19990720155113.00bab370@mail.toward.com> To: Chris Norloff , "'dc'" Message-id: <001401bed2f1$7f2e88e0$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 3:58 PM > To: 'dc' > Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply > > > At 03:06 PM 7/20/99 , McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > >Chris.. > > > > I find flaw with your argument... you're stating that > the police are > >doing things in their saftey (and the peone they do business with)... > >whereas if they would position themselves in plain sight, the > laws wouldn't > >be broken in the first place. > > Horseshit. > > Visible marked cars merely get drivers to comply in the direct > vicinity of > the car (and encourage accidents as idiot drivers slam on their > brakes). Hidden cars which can catch the violators work by the > threat of a > ticket, a delay, and rising insurance rates. So instead of actually working to slow traffic (every good little citizens duty) by being visible, our authorities are reduced to threatening us. Btw, rubberneckers cause traffic problems too. How many times have you wondered why traffic has slowed just to find out it was somebody being cited on the side of the road? > > > >I can see how unmarked cars MIGHT give a driver incentive to slow down > >(behave)... but an OBVIOUS cop car ALWAYS slows down traffic (wakes them > >up).... > > Sure, you get a massive slowdown right next to the car, increased > liklihood > of rear-end collisions, and complete disregard as soon as the drivers are > past the cop car. Doesn't always work this way, but still if the idea is to get people to slow down, then this seems like an excellent way to do it. But it's about money, sonny. Have you actually witnessed a knucklehead creep past a pace cruiser and simply disregard his six? The guy should be ticketed! > > > >Tis better to be seen and stop the crime from happening than to > hide and the > >punish the offender in my book. > > What do you suggest, a cop car every half-mile? Or do you we should have > 55mph pace cars like they did in the '70's? Again, if the intended goal is to get people to slow down to the speed limit, this may be your only answer. I continue to argue that this is not the intended goal. Actually, I wish they would bring those pace cars back. Maybe then enough people would get fed up with our inane speed limit laws and the constant harrassment the limits cause, that the speed limits could be addressed in light of road/traffic conditions instead. Todd From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 17:12:21 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [207.152.129.106]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA09992 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA32737 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:12:15 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990720170918.02180010@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:12:07 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply In-Reply-To: <001301bed2f0$d9af2230$a0fb29a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <19990720195118.9432.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:45 PM 7/20/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >The REAL problem are arbitrary speed limits. As Glenn Dysart already >pointed out, nobody travels our beltway at less than 60mph w/o becoming a >road hazard. In non-rush hour situations, there is no need for a 55mph >limit (unless you are the local gubmn't and you need to finance your latest >questionable social program....I digress..). So let's be realistic here. >The police are doing a job that they have been instructed to do. Ticket >speeders. The speed limits are (purposely?) to low in most cases. It's a >racket! I agree with everyone...and no one....but think about the beltway this way.... If evryone were obeying the speed limits within reason (5-10 over) then people going 55 wouldn't be a road hazard on 495, right?!? The chicken and the egg... That being said, my average speed in cage or bike on 495 is probably 75 when there isn't dead stopped rubbernecking and over-territorial lane protection going on. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '97 Honda VFR 750 Work is for people who don't know how to ride a motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 17:13:52 1999 Return-Path: johncx500@XXXXXX Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (web1101.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.121]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA09995 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990720211313.2928.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.6.58.2] by web1101.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:13:13 EDT Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:13:13 -0400 (EDT) From: John Whiteside Reply-To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply To: "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry... I just disagree on pretty much every count here. Effective enforcement: the constant threat of getting caught vs driving with impunity when you don't see a cruiser? Sorry, doesn't work. Limits too low: This is a meaningless statement. There's no "correct" limit, there's just the tradeoff between safety and speed. I think highway limits are low in a couple of places around here, and pretty much right on target on surface roads. Can't go under 60 without being a menace: Nonsense, unless you're in the left lane. There are plenty of peole along my entire commute driving about 50 and not causing trouble -- unless you think it's their fault that some moron is trying to go 80 in the right lane. (This is I-66 and the toll road.) My beef with enforcement is the focus on speed and little else. I'd like to see fewer cruisers catching speeders, and more cops driving in unmarked cars and pulling over the aggressive lane-changers, tailgaters, the people who use exits and entrances to cut around other vehicles, red light runners, etc. That would improve safety far more than current programs, in my opinion. Say, do you know what percentage of our various local governments' revenues come from speeding tickets? Roughly, without looking it up? --- Todd Peer wrote: > I think what Brian was saying was that the mere > presence of the cruiser in > plain site would accomplish the "supposed" desired > outcome, at least for > that section of roadway, which is enforcing > compliance with the law. I > think we all can agree that it would be a ridiculous > waste of police > resources to simply place cruisers around town to > make people slow down. > But wait, Arlington County already does this!! > > In any case, I agree with Brian. A cop sitting in > the > bushes/shadows/whatever exclaiming GOTCHA to his/her > next victem doesn't > work either. People see a busy officer and just > zoom on by. If they see a > NOT busy officer, they slow down. Now isn't that > the point? > > The REAL problem are arbitrary speed limits. As > Glenn Dysart already > pointed out, nobody travels our beltway at less than > 60mph w/o becoming a > road hazard. In non-rush hour situations, there is > no need for a 55mph > limit (unless you are the local gubmn't and you need > to finance your latest > questionable social program....I digress..). So > let's be realistic here. > The police are doing a job that they have been > instructed to do. Ticket > speeders. The speed limits are (purposely?) to low > in most cases. It's a > racket! > > Todd > > John Whiteside [mailto:johncx500@XXXXXX] > > Only works if you have a lot of cops in sight > > everywhere all the time. The potential of getting > > pulled over by an unmarked car or coming around a > > curve and getting nailed by the cop they couldn't > see > > does slow people down. And it's a lot cheaper than > > putting your whole police force out sitting at the > > side of the road throughout the entire highway > system > > so that people don't speed. > > > > --- "McCoy, Brian NAB02" > > wrote: > > > Chris.. > > > > > > I find flaw with your argument... you're > stating > > > that the police are > > > doing things in their saftey (and the peone they > do > > > business with)... > > > whereas if they would position themselves in > plain > > > sight, the laws wouldn't > > > be broken in the first place. > > > > > > I can see how unmarked cars MIGHT give a driver > > > incentive to slow down > > > (behave)... but an OBVIOUS cop car ALWAYS slows > down > > > traffic (wakes them > > > up).... > > > > > > > > > Tis better to be seen and stop the crime from > > > happening than to hide and the > > > punish the offender in my book. > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > > === > > John Whiteside > > Arlington, VA > > jwhiteside@XXXXXX > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > === John Whiteside Arlington, VA jwhiteside@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 17:43:43 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10614 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id RAA08138; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:43:27 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:43:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: Chris Norloff cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990720103357.00bb0890@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > Well it's certainly about hitting people where it hurts - their wallet. A > $20 fine wouldn't be much disincentive. A fine up to $500 is enough to > wake up even a jaded SUV-yuppie. If there were officers at all on-ramps > there would be no HOV violaters on the HOV lanes, but the current sentiment > of anti-tax and reduced-government means fewer police officers, not more. Uhhh... but... but... The difference here is that they deploy the officers at an off-ramp vs. an on-ramp. This requires the same number of officers (Yes, in the morning there are more on than off ramps, but the afternoon that's reversed). This does 2 things: 1) Gains revenue for the county 2) Does nothing to stop people from using the HOV lanes illegally since the offense is being dealt with after the fact, and it's a crap-shoot if you're going to be caught or not. By deploying the same number of officers at on-ramps instead of off-ramps, two things would occur: 1) The county wouldn't gain any revenue 2) The number of people using the HOV lanes illegally would be decreased since the presense of the officer on the on-ramp would keep them from entering (That $500 fine is even more convincing when there's a cop sitting right there to give it to you, and then you don't get the fast lane home). The counties choose the former method because people using the HOV lanes illegally is a *secondary* concern. The latter method would actually help people using the HOV lanes legally, but since writing tickets is more important than efficiently upholding the law, they (us, if you use the HOV on your bike) have to suffer with tons of people taking a gamble and breaking the rules. I often take the GW parkway down to Alex, then hop on HOV to get back upto the Seminary Rd exit... this way of commuting makes my ride home no stop and go. When I see all these cars in the HOV (Especially at around 5:30 since they know they won't be getting off (where the cops are) till after 6) it's REALLY annoying. Two cops at the entrance after the 14th street bridge would eliminate this. People actually PARK AND WAIT there till 5:30 causing a huge snarl some days! ::grr:: - Bri From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 18:05:27 1999 Return-Path: roach@XXXXXX Received: from alpha.necrosis.com (cj322865-a.alex1.va.home.com [24.5.85.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA11045 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (roach@localhost) by alpha.necrosis.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with SMTP id SAA08151 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:05:24 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:05:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... -Reply -Reply In-Reply-To: <19990720211313.2928.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, John Whiteside wrote: > Limits too low: This is a meaningless statement. > There's no "correct" limit, there's just the tradeoff > between safety and speed. I think highway limits are > low in a couple of places around here, and pretty much > right on target on surface roads. Agreed. > My beef with enforcement is the focus on speed and > little else. I'd like to see fewer cruisers catching > speeders, and more cops driving in unmarked cars and > pulling over the aggressive lane-changers, tailgaters, > the people who use exits and entrances to cut around > other vehicles, red light runners, etc. That would > improve safety far more than current programs, in my > opinion. Yup... I think you hit the nail right on the head here. At non-rush hour, with a clear road (or possibly a few cars within visible range) 75 mph isn't going to hurt a fly. At 55mph, the idiot tailgating the person in front of him, changing lanes without signaling, and wedging into traffic (other people's resonable following zones) is a damn menace and should have his or her licence pulled. This whole thread is simply pointing out what the above states: It's not about upholding laws, it's about revenue. The cops can sit on the side of the road with their little radar guns and rack up cash all day and night with minimal effort. If doesn't actually serve the public much, but hey, who cares, right? This is not to say that "good drivers" should be able to haul ass through traffic as long as they use their turn signals - That's silly. But, if the counties were interested in serving the public interest, they would have the police ticket drivers who are actually a hazard to others. It would take more effort, but it might make the roads a bit safer. - Brian From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 20:09:23 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA13202 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anita (tc1-s0.wizard.net [206.161.15.30]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA18463 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:09:08 -0400 From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Subject: New Events Posted... Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:10:18 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bed30d$6a49a740$1e0fa1ce@anita> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal ...in the DC Area Riders Yahoo! Club. I finally got a copy of Motorcycle Times that wasn't already outdated! :-) For those who haven't visited this "club" before, you can check it out at: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcareariders You will need a Yahoo! ID to access it.. if you have ever used any of the Yahoo! services (email, classifieds, etc.) you're all set.. otherwise you'll need to answer a few questions and provide a valid email address in order to get your ID. Anita From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 20 22:25:31 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA15462 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA20803 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA00663 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.177]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.2) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:15:15 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: a boycott some may be interested in Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:17:45 -0400 Message-ID: <003c01bed31f$3859aac0$640000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal http://www.bolt-of-pa.com/boycott/ I won't add any commentary. I leave it up to you. FWIW, I'm boycotting my local Dunkin Donuts for other reasons. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 06:43:07 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA24768 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 06:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA20777 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 06:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <36RDGD13>; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 06:47:48 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427D4F341@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Sunday's "Running of the Squids" Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 06:47:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >I don't know about anyone else, but the cops can stop me for anything they >like providing they don't ticket me and cause my insurance to increase. I'll >make that trade any day of the week. "Good morning, how was your stay?" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 06:57:18 1999 Return-Path: mjay@XXXXXX Received: from resolver.treev.com ([38.183.229.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA25013 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 06:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tralfaz.herndon.treev.com (treev.com [10.1.1.24]) by resolver.treev.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA20802 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 06:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tralfaz.treev.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <36RDGD14>; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 07:01:58 -0400 Message-ID: <22F6F36CA6A3D111B95A006097177427D4F342@tralfaz.treev.com> From: Michael Jay To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Legal enforment theories (Sounds like discrimination to me... ) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 07:01:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain > This does 2 things: >1) Gains revenue for the county >2) Does nothing to stop people from using the HOV lanes illegally since >the offense is being dealt with after the fact, and it's a crap-shoot if >you're going to be caught or not. <> >The counties choose the former method because people using the HOV lanes >illegally is a *secondary* concern. The latter method would actually help >people using the HOV lanes legally, but since writing tickets is more >important than efficiently upholding the law, they (us, if you use the HOV >on your bike) have to suffer with tons of people taking a gamble >and breaking the rules. And I'm supposed to pay for all these cops to sit at on-ramps with my real estate taxes, car taxes, and sales taxes--NOT!! In your example, I would have no choice but to pay the cost of the cops sitting at on-ramps, yet the people busted on the off-ramp chose to take the HOV knowing they might get snake eyes. Boo hoo. Mike 82 XJ750RJ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 21 07:14:20 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.nwp.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA25235 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 07:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 04:14:16 -0700 Message-ID: From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Sounds like discrimination to me... Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 04:14:14 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > -----Original Message----- > > > Sure, you get a massive slowdown right next to the car, > increased liklihood > of rear-end collisions, and complete disregard as soon as the > drivers are > past the cop car. > > > >Tis better to be seen and stop the crime from happening than > to hide and the > >punish the offender in my book. > > What do you suggest, a cop car every half-mile? Or do you we > should have > 55mph pace cars like they did in the '70's? > Ok, I didn't clarify myself by adding identifiers to my meaning. HOV - place the cops at the ON ramps - then you won't have to worry about violators (and the real HOV people don't deal with as much traffic). Speeding? I agree with Glenn, it's a bullshit offense on main roads. ever take 66 west to Manassas? That road is so straight, flat and wide that 80 feels like 40 - and you're what, 25 over the limit at that point? Put the traffic cops on the secondary roads where there are SCHOOL crossings, and in known accident intersections. If one sits where they are easily seen for a couple days, then makes a return appearance once every few days, people will behave (I've noticed that happening local to my house - hell, there aren't even cops in the cars - they just park a car at one intersection). > Come on, comply with laws, if you choose not to comply then beware of > possible costs. I accept the 'penalty' (I like 'voluntary Tax' better :) of going faster than a posted limit. I'm going to speed irregardless, and tickets will come as a course of that. Of course, my beef isn't really with the cops themselves, but the burrow-crats that tell them what to do and reward them for doing those idiotic things. (Ok, some cops are just plain asses and deserve to go the way of an unemployment office, some are lazy and will perpetually keep doughnut shops in business.. the rest, well, they all moved away from the cities Years ago..) 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