From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 00:04:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14670; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20611 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:03:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA25917 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id AAA12897; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:01:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:01:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ARRRGH In-Reply-To: <35995981.6E175C2B@geocities.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII have you tried a locksmith? On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > Ya know, I don't know why I fool myself. > Called coleman's up today figuring I'll give em another chance for me to > spend a little money locally. > "Sure we can make a key for your bike just bring in the ignition and > we'll fix you right up. It'll cost you $15" > > Cool, methinks...not as bad as I thought it would be from a shop. So I > truck down there this afternoon. > After the guy spins the ignition in his hands for nearly ten minutes > scratching his head: > "Yeah, I can make one, but it'll take a lot of time. $63" > > Sorry pal, I'll go ahead and hack the wires and go through the pain of > bypassing the anti theft device or I'll just go to another dealer who's > upfront about things. > > It's not the cost that bugs me, it's the fact that they tell you one > thing then it changes when you get there. That's twice now that this > has happened with this shop. No more. I'll drive just a little further > out to Herndon... > Sucks for them too, cause I was planning on buying quite a few high > profit type items while i waited for the key...Sorry mr coleman > > Collin > > -- > _________________________________________ > Collin and Penny Fagan > LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard > (202) 366-0067 (work) > (703) 356-4279 (home) > ICQ UIN: 435732 > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ > (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 01:15:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA15477; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA21400 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (known imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA26968 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:14:46 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id ECZRa27851; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <481b4695.3599c534@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:12:19 EDT To: swaters@XXXXXX Cc: horkster@XXXXXX, ph@XXXXXX, aki.damme@XXXXXX, pellaz@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Helmet safety issue Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Ok, here are the stats as from the MSHA, Office of Traffic and Safety, and Traffic safety division. Overall Accident Rate: (Includes: Non-injury, injury, and fatality accidents) 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 Accidents 2010 1693 1714 1752 1417 985 1118 989 889 pending Deaths 61 46 46 53 55 45 30 27 26 Death Rate .303 .0271 .0268 .0302 .0388 .0456 .0268 .0273 .0292 Overall Accident Rate Summary: 1985-91 Helmet Law 1992-96 Total Accidents 15502 Adopted in 5398 Total Deaths 427 1992 183 Death Rate .0275 .0339 Injury Accident Rate: (Includes: Injury and Fatality Accidents) 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 Accidents 1559 1386 1363 1431 1130 782 906 800 695 pending Deaths 61 46 46 53 55 45 30 27 26 Death Rate .0391 .0331 .0331 .0370 .0486 .0575 .0331 .0337 .0374 Injury Accident Rate Summary: 1988-91 Helmet Law 1992-96 Total Injury Accidents 12385 Adopted in 4583 Total Deaths 427 1992 183 Death Rate .0334 .0399 -----END----- This report is from 1985 to 1996, but for format purposes, I just gave 88 and up. I hope this gives a little insight to everyone. Let me know if you have any questions. Sean G. Petr 98 TL-R From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 07:11:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17761; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23472 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00571 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:10:17 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256634.003DBCB3 ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:14:20 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256634.003D599D.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:14:16 -0400 Subject: Re: ARRRGH Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Collin there is a very good locksmith only 1 block away from Colemans. Just continue up Hillside through the traffic light on your right. They are called Allied Safe and Lock. I have always been able to get things doen with them whenever Colemans drops the ball (which is always of course). Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 07:26:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17822; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23553 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00697 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:25:57 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA03055 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807011128.HAA03055@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Where can I check VIN To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text I found a nice bike I can consider as replacement. I have VIN number; where can I check if the bike is OK ? Anyone knows a WWW page for this purpose, or should I ask friendly bike shop to check this VIN for me ? (Bike is a nice, clean Honda CB 350 - this time I won't be tempted to ride fast :-) _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 07:26:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17827; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23557 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00704 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) id ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:25:32 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Adventure World Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:26:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) Content-Type: text/plain How about flying? Roger that inner-ear disorder stuff. Mine means that I shamelessly do the Scooby Doo on my best day at King's Dominion -- anything more than that and I have to treat those in the immediate area to a little Ralph hospitality -- I always aim for the people who CAN ride roller coasters, damn it. We'll put together a not-interested-in-a-miserable-day-puking group (composed mainly of the defective mutant brigade, like me) that definitely will not do the more "technical" rides. The group pledges to meet the coaster-enabled folks with gooey, cheesy chili dogs after their coaster experience. Tom M. > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 3:28 PM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: RE: Adventure World > > I've got a couple kids but I would go to different rides than the other > adults would likely go to. Shoot, I can't even ride roller coasters, > spinning rides, or anything that moves my head around too much. Inner ear > disorders suck. Vertigo is something I do not enjoy... Weird thing is, > motorcycles don't induce it for me. > > Kirk > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 07:34:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17872; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23644 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00767 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA05157 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:33:54 -0700 Message-Id: <199807011133.AA05157@portal.visa.com> Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:33:54 -0700 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: PattonJ@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Columbia Gate Way, July 12 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:35:00 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Jim - put me down as a marshal and hook me up with Mike, please for the particulars (such as where is it) To the DC-Cycles group: here's something different for a Saturday out inna fresh air. Michael J -----Original Message----- From: Jim Patton [mailto:PattonJ@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 17:33 To: A whold bunch of people Subject: Columbia Gate Way, July 12 We are still looking for a couple of motor marshals for July 12. Day will go from 07:00 until late afternoon. You get $35 to cover your expenses. The Chief is still looking for another judge. So, if you are a licensed official and want to get some finish line experience, here is your chance. Let Mike and I know if you are interested in either position. Jim Patton From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 07:38:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17886; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23661 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news1.radix.net (known news1.radix.net [209.48.224.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00817 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [209.48.224.40]) by news1.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA13765; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (dreamer@localhost) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA19908; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:37:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Dawn Gibson To: "Mersch, Tom" cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Adventure World In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Mersch, Tom wrote: > We'll put together a not-interested-in-a-miserable-day-puking group > (composed mainly of the defective mutant brigade, like me) that definitely > will not do the more "technical" rides. The group pledges to meet the > coaster-enabled folks with gooey, cheesy chili dogs after their coaster > experience. EEoooooowwwww!! I'm getting a chuckle out of this thread actually because it looks like most of the folks who enjoy scraping real estate off of their motorcycles and breaking the sound barrier end up puking their guts out on coasters Is this poetic justice or what? I love it! Dawn *====================================================================* from the mist and shadows, like a memory of things to come.... to wander the paths of moonlight on water, in search of honesty, empathy, beaches at sunrise, mountains under stars and eyes to laugh back at mine... *====================================================================* Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX *====================================================================* From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 07:41:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17898; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23702 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00867 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA05470 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:41:04 -0700 Message-Id: <199807011141.AA05470@portal.visa.com> Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:41:04 -0700 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Adventure World Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:42:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >The group pledges to meet the coaster-enabled folks with gooey, >cheesy chili dogs after their coaster experience. Better yet, the gooey, cheesy chili dogs DURING the experience (with a drink in the other hand) Michael (I LOVE roller coasters) J. But if you've EVER had ride in a fully aerobatic airplane... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 07:43:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17908; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23735 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00890 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA05588 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:43:08 -0700 Message-Id: <199807011143.AA05588@portal.visa.com> Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:43:08 -0700 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Where can I check VIN Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:44:14 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >Bike is a nice, clean Honda CB 350 Where did you find that?!?!?!? >this time I won't be tempted to ride fast :-) With all due respect, sir, Bullshit Michael (you ride what ya got) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 07:44:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17913; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23739 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00898 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:43:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) id ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:42:54 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Adventure World Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:43:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) Content-Type: text/plain Now that we've scraped pegs, what are we gonna do? Go to Disney World! Sing it with me: M I C, K E Y, B I T C H >:-( (Okay, I'm just kidding, but I do have an especially gooey CCD with your name on it ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Dawn Gibson [SMTP:dreamer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 7:38 AM > To: Mersch, Tom > Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: RE: Adventure World > > On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Mersch, Tom wrote: > > > We'll put together a not-interested-in-a-miserable-day-puking group > > (composed mainly of the defective mutant brigade, like me) that > definitely > > will not do the more "technical" rides. The group pledges to meet the > > coaster-enabled folks with gooey, cheesy chili dogs after their coaster > > experience. > > > EEoooooowwwww!! I'm getting a chuckle out of this thread actually because > it looks like most of the folks who enjoy scraping real estate off of > their motorcycles and breaking the sound barrier end up puking their guts > out on coasters > > Is this poetic justice or what? I love it! > > Dawn > > *====================================================================* > from the mist and shadows, like a memory of things to come.... > to wander the paths of moonlight on water, in search of honesty, > empathy, beaches at sunrise, mountains under stars and eyes > to laugh back at mine... > *====================================================================* > Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX > *====================================================================* > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 07:46:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17933; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23764 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00925 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA05714 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:45:24 -0700 Message-Id: <199807011145.AA05714@portal.visa.com> Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:45:24 -0700 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Adventure World Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:46:30 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >EEoooooowwwww!! I'm getting a chuckle out of this thread actually because >it looks like most of the folks who enjoy scraping real estate off of >their motorcycles and breaking the sound barrier end up puking their guts >out on coasters Dawn, I guess that I'm the exception that proves the rule Michael (desifinado) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 08:22:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18145; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24646 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hermes.crosslink.net (known hermes.crosslink.net [206.246.124.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01447 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7284 invoked from network); 1 Jul 1998 12:20:24 -0000 Received: from external-modem-3-222.loudoun.com (HELO lcsa3.loudoun.com) (208.232.171.222) by hermes.crosslink.net with SMTP; 1 Jul 1998 12:20:24 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01bda4ea$e01de500$1606030a@lcsa3.loudoun.com> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: Adventure World Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:21:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 It's strange, I can ride any ride...except the virtual reality. You know, the ones with the movies...then I'm puking my guts out. P.S. I can't play DOOM without puking either! -----Original Message----- From: Dawn Gibson To: Mersch, Tom Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Date: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 7:48 AM Subject: RE: Adventure World >On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Mersch, Tom wrote: > >> We'll put together a not-interested-in-a-miserable-day-puking group >> (composed mainly of the defective mutant brigade, like me) that definitely >> will not do the more "technical" rides. The group pledges to meet the >> coaster-enabled folks with gooey, cheesy chili dogs after their coaster >> experience. > > >EEoooooowwwww!! I'm getting a chuckle out of this thread actually because >it looks like most of the folks who enjoy scraping real estate off of >their motorcycles and breaking the sound barrier end up puking their guts >out on coasters > >Is this poetic justice or what? I love it! > >Dawn > >*====================================================================* > from the mist and shadows, like a memory of things to come.... > to wander the paths of moonlight on water, in search of honesty, > empathy, beaches at sunrise, mountains under stars and eyes > to laugh back at mine... >*====================================================================* > Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX >*====================================================================* From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 08:25:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18159; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24659 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01482 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:23:10 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA03135; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807011223.IAA03135@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Adventure World To: dreamer@XXXXXX (Dawn Gibson) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Cc: merscht@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: from "Dawn Gibson" at Jul 1, 98 07:37:52 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Mersch, Tom wrote: > > > We'll put together a not-interested-in-a-miserable-day-puking group > > (composed mainly of the defective mutant brigade, like me) that definitely > > will not do the more "technical" rides. The group pledges to meet the > > coaster-enabled folks with gooey, cheesy chili dogs after their coaster > > experience. > > > EEoooooowwwww!! I'm getting a chuckle out of this thread actually because > it looks like most of the folks who enjoy scraping real estate off of > their motorcycles and breaking the sound barrier end up puking their guts > out on coasters > > Is this poetic justice or what? I love it! > right. I will join it, so you will have 4 more miserable puking bodies in a olvov... > Dawn > _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 08:34:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18268; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24741 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01625 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA11813 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3BRPCGA7>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:32:49 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F280E@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Adventure World Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:32:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Yummy yummy...load my chile dog up with the works!!! It's pretty sad though, I can do the roller coasters, I can even dig the aerobatic planes, but would you believe I get seasick on anything over 30 ft long!!?!!? And I'm in the Coast Guard he he he Well, that funky Octopus ride also does me in, but the rest of em are great! My inlaws are moving down this way starting tomorrow, so we'll now have a cheap babysitter. Hmmm...and we've been planning on going to adventure world for a while anyway... How bout this: Since I'm still street bike challenged, Pen and I will cage it down there, and everyone can throw leathers, helmets, tank bags, etc. into the cab of the truck where we can cover em with a blanket and lock em up safe. Maybe we could even bring a few coolers worth of drinks and food in the back, and have a tailgate BBQ before going into the park!! Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 08:41:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18311; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24829 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01722 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA12122; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3BRPCGA9>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:41:00 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F280F@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Gary Foreman'" , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Adventure World Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:40:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain ooooh Yuuuk...I must concur. ANY of those full scrolling games will have me worshiping the porcelein god in a heartbeat. Took me a long time to figure it out though... I'd watch my brother-in-law playing the game from about 5 ft back for hours...I tried to play it..got nautious..thought it was the food I had just eaten...repeat process a couple of times.... uugh..it must be this damn game! Then I read an article saying that 5% of the people that try these kind of games have the same reaction... Oh well, guess I'll just have to stick with Subspace!! :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Foreman [SMTP:gforeman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 8:30 AM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Re: Adventure World > > It's strange, I can ride any ride...except the virtual reality. You know, > the ones with the movies...then I'm puking my guts out. > > P.S. I can't play DOOM without puking either! > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 08:42:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18327; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24856 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01750 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807011242.IAA01750@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AEC4690696; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 08:42:44 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 08:08:57 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: ARRRGH In-Reply-To: <35995981.6E175C2B@geocities.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:32 PM 6/30/98 -0400, Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: >Ya know, I don't know why I fool myself. >Called coleman's up today figuring I'll give em another chance for me to >spend a little money locally. >"Sure we can make a key for your bike just bring in the ignition and >we'll fix you right up. It'll cost you $15" ... >"Yeah, I can make one, but it'll take a lot of time. $63" Lousy. Did you get the guy's name and complain to the manager? I suppose he might not care but it's worth a try. The same thing happened to me - I called Coleman's looking for a particular brand of something. I got the guy's name who said they had it. I drove 45 min. (one way) to get there, and he showed me a different brand product. He was mystified why I was mad, even when I pointed out to him that he lied to me. And no, I didn't complain to the management like I should have. I was so mad I just walked out. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 08:42:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18331; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24859 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01754 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807011242.IAA01754@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AEC5690696; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 08:42:45 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 08:25:44 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Helmet safety issue In-Reply-To: <481b4695.3599c534@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:12 AM 7/1/98 -0400, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: >Ok, here are the stats as from the MSHA, Office of Traffic and Safety, and >Traffic safety division. Is this the exact form in which they were released by the State of Maryland? >Overall Accident Rate: Rate? What rate? Accidents per mile, accidents per 10,000 vehicles, accidents per 10,000 residents? >Overall Accident Rate Summary: > 1985-91 Helmet Law 1992-96 >Total Accidents 15502 Adopted in 5398 >Total Deaths 427 1992 183 Comparing 6 years of accidents (1985-91) to 5 years of accidents(1992-96)? That's lousy statistics or someone is trying to use statistics to lie. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 09:05:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18513; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25655 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02097 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) id ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:03:58 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: ARRRGH Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:04:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) Content-Type: text/plain This reminds me of my days working at retail stores for college tuition. More specifically, it reminds me of the magnificently unsavory, obviously bad management ideas I encountered. At one particular outfit, the only source of information we worker bees had for answering stock questions was a printout that could be 90 days out of date. "Management" policy was: look up the item in the printout -- if it says we have it, tell them we have it; if it says we don't have it, tell them you don't have the information and to come in to the store to find out. The idea was, the company doesn't pay worker bees to spend the time necessary to give good information, and the customer will probably buy something else anyway. I got another job quickly. The company was a small-time POS back then (almost 20 years ago), and they still are a small-time POS. Go figure. Tom M. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 8:09 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: ARRRGH > > At 05:32 PM 6/30/98 -0400, Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > >Ya know, I don't know why I fool myself. > >Called coleman's up today figuring I'll give em another chance for me to > >spend a little money locally. > >"Sure we can make a key for your bike just bring in the ignition and > >we'll fix you right up. It'll cost you $15" > ... > >"Yeah, I can make one, but it'll take a lot of time. $63" > > > > The same thing happened to me - I called Coleman's looking for a particula > brand of something. I got the guy's name who said they had it. I drove 45 > min. (one way) to get there, and he showed me a different brand product. > He was mystified why I was mad, even when I pointed out to him that he lied > to me. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 09:06:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18530; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25662 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known [206.213.111.115] [206.213.111.115]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02130 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id GAA28521; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 06:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id GAA17557; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 06:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA19942; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 06:05:08 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA19937; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 06:05:06 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BDA4B6.316EA5A0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 06:05:05 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: ARRRGH Key problem Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 05:59:36 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 Ugh, locksmiths are EXPENSIVE! When the key to my bike broke off in the ignition, I called a locksmith and was charged $90 to remove the key, make a new one and one spare. That was highway robbery in under 30 minutes. - Ursulina Kaw 454 LTD >-----Original Message----- >From: Garcia Oliver [SMTP:garicao@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 9:01 PM >To: Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: ARRRGH > >have you tried a locksmith? > >On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > >> Ya know, I don't know why I fool myself. >> Called coleman's up today figuring I'll give em another chance for me to >> spend a little money locally. >> "Sure we can make a key for your bike just bring in the ignition and >> we'll fix you right up. It'll cost you $15" >> >> Cool, methinks...not as bad as I thought it would be from a shop. So I >> truck down there this afternoon. >> After the guy spins the ignition in his hands for nearly ten minutes >> scratching his head: >> "Yeah, I can make one, but it'll take a lot of time. $63" >> >> Sorry pal, I'll go ahead and hack the wires and go through the pain of >> bypassing the anti theft device or I'll just go to another dealer who's >> upfront about things. >> >> It's not the cost that bugs me, it's the fact that they tell you one >> thing then it changes when you get there. That's twice now that this >> has happened with this shop. No more. I'll drive just a little further >> out to Herndon... >> Sucks for them too, cause I was planning on buying quite a few high >> profit type items while i waited for the key...Sorry mr coleman >> >> Collin >> >> -- >> _________________________________________ >> Collin and Penny Fagan >> LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard >> (202) 366-0067 (work) >> (703) 356-4279 (home) >> ICQ UIN: 435732 >> http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ >> (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 09:07:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18583; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25670 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02194 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:07:12 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DC7@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Waldorf MC inspection.. Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:05:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Anyone know ehre this is? Good's Exxon in Waldorf (near the Nissan dealer and Friendly's). It's the one talked about for a rather, errr.., simple inspection back in March or so.. If noone knows of it, or rather I don't hear of it by about noon, I'm just going to bite the bullet and go to Clinton Cycles.. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 09:58:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19156; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26815 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03558 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A06899F02BC; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 09:58:03 EDT Message-Id: X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:00:23 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Motorcyclist Shooting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Words fail me. http://www.gatewayva.com/rtd/dailynews/virginia/motor30.htm Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 09:59:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19167; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:59:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26829 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03577 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA17729 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:58:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Adventure World In-Reply-To: <199807011223.IAA03135@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 1 Jul 1998 zbig@XXXXXX wrote: > EEoooooowwwww!! I'm getting a chuckle out of this thread actually because > it looks like most of the folks who enjoy scraping real estate off of > their motorcycles and breaking the sound barrier end up puking their guts > out on coasters > > Is this poetic justice or what? I love it! Er, actually, I like nothing more than to take a leisurely cruise through the mountains. I can't remember the last time I actually touched any parts down on my bike (and it's not even a sportbike). You must be lumping me in with those go fast guys I always hear about (and see nasty pictures of after they learn the laws of gravity). Kirk "Highway Angel" Roy 88 Honda Hawk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 10:01:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19197; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26879 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03618 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 124 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:00:18 -0400 Message-ID: <359A40FD.213FF2A5@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:00:29 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" References: <359bd003.76386300@relay.mnsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anita Lauro wrote: > > The good news is that the valves are done at 500 miles and not again > until 6000. Let's see, that worked out to one week, and then again 2 months later. That's not really good news if you ride a lot and wanna pay someone to check everything for you. Why can't bikes be set up like that NorthStar system, with no scheduled maintenance until 100,000 miles? Then I'd only have to pull bodywork off every couple of years or so! :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 10:05:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19236; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26933 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03698 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA17842 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:04:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" In-Reply-To: <359A40FD.213FF2A5@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > Why can't bikes be set up like that NorthStar system, with no scheduled > maintenance until 100,000 miles? Then I'd only have to pull bodywork > off every couple of years or so! :) Excellent! I'd like to offer you a good price on the woodrow wilson bridge! Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 10:06:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19248; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26963 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.netsus.com (known blue.vais.net [207.98.180.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03755 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17190 invoked from network); 1 Jul 1998 14:06:15 -0000 Received: from 178-227.vais.net (HELO vais.net) (207.98.178.227) by blue.vais.net with SMTP; 1 Jul 1998 14:06:15 -0000 Message-ID: <359A423D.CB67C5F@vais.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:05:49 -0400 From: Tom Gallo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Waldorf MC inspection.. References: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DC7@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is on the north-bound side of 301/5 in Waldorf. If you are coming from the beltway, it is exit 7 (route 5 south). Drive south into Waldorf, once you enter Waldorf, look on the right side of the road for American Hardware, followed by Bell-Atlantic Mobile. Get into the left lane and make a U-turn in front of the McDonald's. After the U-turn you will be headed north on 301/5 and Good's Exxon is just past the Nissan dealer on the right. If you see Circuit City you went about 1/2 mile too far, just make a U-turn and head north, you can't miss it!! Tom GSXR-750 McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > Anyone know ehre this is? > > Good's Exxon in Waldorf (near > the Nissan dealer and Friendly's). > > It's the one talked about for a rather, errr.., simple inspection back > in March or so.. If noone knows of it, or rather I don't hear of it by > about noon, I'm just going to bite the bullet and go to Clinton Cycles.. > Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM > US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 > Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 10:31:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19678; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27319 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04668 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:31:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807011431.KAA04668@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A84E4D60384; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:31:45 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:33:58 -0400 To: DC-Cycles Mailing List From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" In-Reply-To: References: <359A40FD.213FF2A5@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> Why can't bikes be set up like that NorthStar system, with no scheduled >> maintenance until 100,000 miles? Then I'd only have to pull bodywork >> off every couple of years or so! :) > >Excellent! I'd like to offer you a good price on the woodrow wilson >bridge! > >Kirk But seriously, why not? So many bikes require massive periodic maintenance compared to cars. Check and/or adjust valves every 5,000 miles being a great example. Would anybody buy a car that HAD to go into the shop two to three times a year for ROUTINE maintenance? Incredible. I know there's some bikes out there that are better (Pacific Coasts and GoldWings have hydraulic valves - no adjustment, what a concept!). frustrated, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 10:43:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20880; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27491 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05054 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA18544 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:42:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" In-Reply-To: <199807011431.KAA04668@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Chris Norloff wrote: > >> Why can't bikes be set up like that NorthStar system, with no scheduled > >> maintenance until 100,000 miles? Then I'd only have to pull bodywork > >> off every couple of years or so! :) > > > >Excellent! I'd like to offer you a good price on the woodrow wilson > >bridge! > > But seriously, why not? So many bikes require massive periodic maintenance > compared to cars. Yes, but I wasn't attacking the concept that bikes ought to be designed with less frequent maintenance. I was simply attacking the concept that the 100k mile service cars require significantly less maintenance than your average car. Certainly, if you drive anything like I drive (rough, to say the least) you'd better do your service significantly more frequently than every 100k miles. It's just another marketing ploy, as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't expect to see much less frequent maintenance intervals for sport bikes any time soon, if at all. Touring bikes, OTOH, really ought to require infrequent maintenance. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 10:55:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22413; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27648 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05752 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.50]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:51:44 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Chris Norloff" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:52:52 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bda4ff$eca69dc0$3280e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199807011431.KAA04668@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > But seriously, why not? So many bikes require massive periodic > maintenance > compared to cars. Check and/or adjust valves every 5,000 miles being a > great example. Would anybody buy a car that HAD to go into the > shop two to > three times a year for ROUTINE maintenance? Incredible. Used to be that way in the past. Before I was born, that is:) It was either Lexus or Infinity had a car a few years back that required valve check/adjust every 10,000 miles. Not sure how many owners paid attention to that. Technically, most cars require work every 3000 miles: an oil change. If it weren't for places like Jiffy Lube, I doubt many cars would even get that done. > I know there's some bikes out there that are better (Pacific Coasts and > GoldWings have hydraulic valves - no adjustment, what a concept!). On real Wings, you have to adjust the valves:) Also in the no adjustment corner: HDs, CB750s. Anybody have any more to add? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 10:55:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22417; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27654 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:54:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05759 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA18145; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:54:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3BRPCGCM>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:55:12 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F2818@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Kirk Roy'" , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:55:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >From memory, my 93 required valve adjust at 7k, 11k, and every 4k after that... Looking at a newer bikes manual a while back, I noticed that their first check was at 11k and a fairly large interval after that. Moot point on my race bike. The valves will get checked at least twice a season, if not more. > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 10:51 AM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" > > > I wouldn't expect to see much less frequent maintenance intervals for > sport bikes any time soon, if at all. Touring bikes, OTOH, really ought to > require infrequent maintenance. > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 10:56:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22629; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27669 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known [208.141.52.245] [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05843 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:56:16 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA17506; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:57:45 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma017392; Wed, 1 Jul 98 10:57:31 -0400 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-9 #U3018) id <0EVF0020183FAM@XXXXXX>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-9 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EVF00K2B83EOC@XXXXXX>; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 85256634.0051F6E4 ; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:55:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:54:57 -0400 Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" To: Chris Norloff Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <85256634.0051FB14.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL What's the cause of increased valve adjust intervals anyhoo? I assumed it was the fact that most bikes regularly run at double the RPM of the average car. Or, is it just bike manufacturers' laziness in not making a superior quality product? In other words ... _can_ they make bikes that perform just as well and are just as reliable that have, say 30k valve adjust intervals? --chris To: DC-Cycles Mailing List cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: Chris Norloff Date: 07/01/98 02:33:58 PM GMT Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" >> Why can't bikes be set up like that NorthStar system, with no scheduled >> maintenance until 100,000 miles? Then I'd only have to pull bodywork >> off every couple of years or so! :) > >Excellent! I'd like to offer you a good price on the woodrow wilson >bridge! > >Kirk But seriously, why not? So many bikes require massive periodic maintenance compared to cars. Check and/or adjust valves every 5,000 miles being a great example. Would anybody buy a car that HAD to go into the shop two to three times a year for ROUTINE maintenance? Incredible. I know there's some bikes out there that are better (Pacific Coasts and GoldWings have hydraulic valves - no adjustment, what a concept!). frustrated, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 11:43:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24028; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28224 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hermes.crosslink.net (known hermes.crosslink.net [206.246.124.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07233 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18468 invoked from network); 1 Jul 1998 15:42:48 -0000 Received: from external-modem-3-222.loudoun.com (HELO lcsa3.loudoun.com) (208.232.171.222) by hermes.crosslink.net with SMTP; 1 Jul 1998 15:42:48 -0000 Message-ID: <010101bda507$275e7da0$1606030a@lcsa3.loudoun.com> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:44:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >From now on, let's refer to "Scheduled Maintenance" at a dealership as "Conjugal Visit" (sp?) since we all know what your going to get in either case. -----Original Message----- From: Fagan, Collin LTJG To: 'Kirk Roy' ; DC-Cycles Mailing List Date: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 11:06 AM Subject: RE: "Scheduled Maintenance" >>From memory, my 93 required valve adjust at 7k, 11k, and every 4k after >that... > >Looking at a newer bikes manual a while back, I noticed that their first >check was at 11k and a fairly large interval after that. > >Moot point on my race bike. The valves will get checked at least twice a >season, if not more. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 10:51 AM >> To: DC-Cycles Mailing List >> Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" >> >> >> I wouldn't expect to see much less frequent maintenance intervals for >> sport bikes any time soon, if at all. Touring bikes, OTOH, really ought to >> require infrequent maintenance. >> >> Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 12:18:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24618; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28705 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08441 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-153.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.153]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA09973 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:19:39 -0400 Message-ID: <359A6101.CEA0A7C9@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 12:17:05 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Route 620 from 211 to US33 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I rode 620 this morning. It's paved from 796 south to US33. This is about 19 miles. To get around the gravel part of the road, stay on 211 into New Market and go south on US 11 for about 5 miles. Turn left on 796 for about 1 mile. Turn right on 620 and continue south to US33. 620 has very narrow pavement in some areas. The best scenery is on the gravel part of the road, the best pavement is in the construction area in the middle of the gravel part. There are about 4 miles of gravel if you stay on 620 for the whole trip. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 13:04:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25355; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29353 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:04:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10207 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:04:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA14338 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:04:13 -0700 Message-Id: <199807011704.AA14338@portal.visa.com> Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:04:13 -0700 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC Cycles List Subject: RE: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:05:18 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >Then I'd only have to pull bodywork off every couple of years or so! :) 'Nother advantage to nekkid bikes... All the parts are out where you can get to 'em Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 13:11:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25452; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29421 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10588 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.31]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 13:08:12 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "Kirk Roy" Subject: RE: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:09:21 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bda512$fd72de80$3280e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > Yes, but I wasn't attacking the concept that bikes ought to be designed > with less frequent maintenance. I was simply attacking the concept that > the 100k mile service cars require significantly less maintenance than > your average car. Certainly, if you drive anything like I drive (rough, to > say the least) you'd better do your service significantly more frequently > than every 100k miles. It's just another marketing ploy, as far as I'm > concerned. The trick is what that 100k service involves. That is a 100k spark plug replacement under certain driving conditions. Stop and go traffic requires either 50 or 60k replacement. With platinum plugs and fairly intricate engine management techniques, it's not hard to do. Fluid replacements (engine, tranny, radiator, power steering, brakes, etc.) are at traditional intervals. Hydraulic valves require no adjustments. Air filters are a replace as needed item. We haven't had to set ignition points in two decades. Like you say, the 100k service is a marketing ploy, but not because cars can't go that far between services. It's because there's not a whole lot of servicing that you go 100k between. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 13:11:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25455; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29424 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10595 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.31]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 13:08:13 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , "Chris Norloff" Cc: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:09:23 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bda512$fe4570c0$3280e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <85256634.0051FB14.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > What's the cause of increased valve adjust intervals anyhoo? I assumed it > was the fact that most bikes regularly run at double the RPM of > the average > car. > > Or, is it just bike manufacturers' laziness in not making a superior > quality product? In other words ... _can_ they make bikes that perform > just as well and are just as reliable that have, say 30k valve adjust > intervals? Nature of solid lifters. They have to be adjusted. 99% of the cars out there have hydraulic lifters. In order to get higher revving engines, you generally need either a desmo setup, pneumatic setup, or solid lifters. Hydraulic lifters can't maintain their length under high speed or high lift situations. The variances in valve inspection intervals are due to a number of factors. Cam lift and duration being one. Engine RPM is another. Also factor in the adjustment mechanism (some resist changing better than others) and the metals used in the valves and seats that cause different wear patterns. Let's not forget that most of our bikes have power/displacement ratios that are closer to NASCAR, top fuel, Formula 1, etc. type vehicles rather than a Honda Civic. With such power comes certain tradeoffs. We scoff at Wings and PC 800's, but they are making not as much power/displacement. At the same time, their servicing is much less severe. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 13:11:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25462; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29433 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10606 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.31]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 13:08:15 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Gary Foreman" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:09:24 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bda512$ff599fe0$3280e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <010101bda507$275e7da0$1606030a@lcsa3.loudoun.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > From now on, let's refer to "Scheduled Maintenance" at a dealership as > "Conjugal Visit" (sp?) since we all know what your going to get in either > case. Rather than reopen last week's can-o-worms, I'll just ya'll need to find a better class of dealer. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 13:27:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25941; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29875 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11658 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:27:11 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WPNa011435; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <11e77063.359a710e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:25:33 EDT To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Helmet safety issue Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Well, what this shows me is that the Helmet law has helped. Though deaths haven't dropped as much as accidents in general, it has dropped. We've all got the freedom to choose. I'll continue to choose to wear my helmet. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 13:29:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25958; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:29:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29890 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from access1.digex.net (known access1.digex.net [205.197.245.192]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11698 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (dipaula@localhost) by access1.digex.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA26156; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:26:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Donald DiPaula To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX cc: swaters@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX, ph@XXXXXX, aki.damme@XXXXXX, pellaz@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet safety issue In-Reply-To: <481b4695.3599c534@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII as someone who has studied both logic (formal and informal) and statistics, i'll venture an observation and a question: first, both accidents and deaths fell, but the increase in the "death rate" seems to indicate that the sharpest drop is in non-fatal accidents. second, are these numbers normalized in any way? that is, if the stats are for a fairly constant amount of riding time/miles, then they are very significant; if motorcycle usage fell off sharply after the helmet law went into effect, then these numbers might be almost meaningless. just some things to think about... -D- > Ok, here are the stats as from the MSHA, Office of Traffic and Safety, and > Traffic safety division. > > Overall Accident Rate: > (Includes: Non-injury, injury, and fatality accidents) > 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 > 1997 > Accidents 2010 1693 1714 1752 1417 985 1118 989 889 > pending > Deaths 61 46 46 53 55 45 30 27 > 26 > Death Rate .303 .0271 .0268 .0302 .0388 .0456 .0268 .0273 .0292 > > Overall Accident Rate Summary: > 1985-91 Helmet Law 1992-96 > Total Accidents 15502 Adopted in 5398 > Total Deaths 427 1992 183 > Death Rate .0275 .0339 > > > Injury Accident Rate: > (Includes: Injury and Fatality Accidents) > 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 > 1997 > Accidents 1559 1386 1363 1431 1130 782 906 800 695 > pending > Deaths 61 46 46 53 55 45 30 27 > 26 > Death Rate .0391 .0331 .0331 .0370 .0486 .0575 .0331 .0337 .0374 > > Injury Accident Rate Summary: > 1988-91 Helmet Law 1992-96 > Total Injury Accidents 12385 Adopted in 4583 > Total Deaths 427 1992 183 > Death Rate .0334 .0399 > > -----END----- > > This report is from 1985 to 1996, but for format purposes, I just gave 88 and > up. I hope this gives a little insight to everyone. Let me know if you have > any questions. > > Sean G. Petr > 98 TL-R > "It's important for the boy to learn how to weasel out of things. It's what sets us apart from the animals. Except for the weasels." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 13:38:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26100; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00188 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12063 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:38:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA24550; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3BRPCGDT>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:38:51 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F281D@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'NJitzul@XXXXXX'" , CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Helmet safety issue Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:38:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Actually, it looked to me as if the fatality rate (fatalities/accident) went up between the two periods. The data showed a lot fewer deaths, but at the same time it showed about 6000 fewer reported accidents. Statistics can be tweaked to argue any case though. I agree with you...I'll choose to continue wearing mine. I've whacked the ground enough times between motrcross bikes and street bikes to know I'm better off with it.....and some of those accidents happen at the weirdest of times... > -----Original Message----- > From: NJitzul@XXXXXX [SMTP:NJitzul@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 1:34 PM > To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Helmet safety issue > > Well, what this shows me is that the Helmet law has helped. Though deaths > haven't dropped as much as accidents in general, it has dropped. We've all > got > the freedom to choose. I'll continue to choose to wear my helmet. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 13:58:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26321; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00838 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12563 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-153.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.153]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA12928; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:59:36 -0400 Message-ID: <359A786E.FFB23D5F@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 13:57:02 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: NJitzul@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet safety issue References: <11e77063.359a710e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Choosing to ride without a helmet is illegal. In the "Free State" you don't have the freedom to choose. Leon. NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > > Well, what this shows me is that the Helmet law has helped. Though deaths > haven't dropped as much as accidents in general, it has dropped. We've all got > the freedom to choose. I'll continue to choose to wear my helmet. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 14:02:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26417; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01054 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12684 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807011802.OAA12684@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A9CA400278; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 14:02:50 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 13:47:23 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: "Scheduled Maintenance" In-Reply-To: <000401bda512$fe4570c0$3280e2cf@ghowell> References: <85256634.0051FB14.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >The variances in valve inspection intervals are due to a number of factors. >Cam lift and duration being one. Engine RPM is another. Also factor in the >adjustment mechanism (some resist changing better than others) and the >metals used in the valves and seats that cause different wear patterns. The Honda ST1100 has shim-under-bucket valve adjustment, requiring removing the camshafts to adjust the valves. The only saving grace of that is that the design requires less frequent adjustment (I forget the maintenance interval, but I think it's over 20,000 mi.). >Let's not forget that most of our bikes have power/displacement ratios that >are closer to NASCAR, top fuel, Formula 1, etc. type vehicles rather than a >Honda Civic. With such power comes certain tradeoffs. We scoff at Wings and >PC 800's, but they are making not as much power/displacement. At the same >time, their servicing is much less severe. I'd be curious to see the actual numbers comparing the vehicles & engines. My bike makes the same horsepower as the car, using half the displacement. I certainly realize there are trade-offs. Leon Begeman made some similar points in a private post about how much power we wring out of bike engines. I guess I need to shift toward the Wings and PC's of this world -- what I really want is something like a "Toyota of motorcycles". Reasonably priced, efficient, effective, and made to do some miles. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 14:05:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26446; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01164 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12746 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:04:09 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WWVDa13456 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8f070db5.359a79a4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:02:11 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Helmet safety issue Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 I'm not saying whether you are doing it legally or not. I choose to obey the law and wear my helmet. In a state without a helmet law, I would still wear my helmet. I'm simply stating that if someone chooses not to wear their helmet, against the law or not, it's their choice. People choose to break the law all the time. I'm not saying it's right, just that it's their choice. Let's not make this a big issue, because the fact is, we have a helmet law. Live with it. Robert VanSlyke From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 14:18:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26887; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01614 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13150 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA27115 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:17:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199807011817.AA27115@portal.visa.com> Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:17:52 -0700 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:18:57 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >what I really want is something like a "Toyota of motorcycles" >Reasonably priced, efficient, effective, and made to do some miles. Sounds like a PC-800 to me... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 14:22:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26991; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:22:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01835 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1b.yahoomail.com (known send1b.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13267 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980701182104.25168.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1b; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 11:21:04 PDT Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:21:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Johnston Subject: Humor To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Things seem kind of slow and boring today ...I thought this might get a rise out of some of you out there... Not intended to hurt anyone's feelings :~)) >From Fuzzy Galores Web Site: "Top Ten Things Not To Say To A Lady Sportbike Rider" 10. "Your dad let you ride that thing?" 9. " That's alot of horsepower for you isn't it?" 8. " Have you ever had sex on it?" 7. " No? Can we try?" 6. " Do you ever ride in a g-string?" 5. " We'll wait for you at the intersections." 4. " Awwww, look. A girl on a sportbike. How cute." 3. " You don't really want that bike. You want a nice,little cruiser. Maybe like a 250." 2. " Did you ride that here all by yourself?" 1. " When your boyfriend comes out of the gas station, tell him i said 'nice bike'." _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 14:24:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27073; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01996 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13373 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:24:18 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DC9@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Clinton Cycles.. Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:22:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Can't say much about the additude of the mechanic I had to deal with (Jeff I believe), or the thought ability of the guy (in service as well) who didn't know how to get to the shop from Indian Head Highway (or 495).. I was failed on the inspection because I'm missing the pretty little cap that goes with the chain adjustment on the swingarm. Fine, dandy.. not a problem.. I'll find one... but DON'T tell me that it has to be there to keep the swingarm from torquing out of alignment when under acceleration. Even rudamentary physics can disprove that... sheesh.. I don't think I'd feel to confident with work done there, just based on the short conversations I had with them today (along with watching them adjust chains, and mount/balance tires.. heck, it took 2 of them 5 or more minutes to get a seat off.. you know the ones with the key latch, you turn the key and it comes off..) Of course, only my opinion. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 14:41:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27499; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02944 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mac_dell.hst.nasa.gov (known dhcp100_96.hst.nasa.gov [198.118.96.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14082 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 198.118.96.1 by mac_dell.hst.nasa.gov (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT) Received: from dn7ty ([198.27.17.91]) by lmmail.hst.nasa.gov (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 256; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:37:03 -0400 Message-ID: <044401bda51f$e8e1e710$5b111bc6@dn7ty.hst.lmms.lmco.com> From: "Rottier.Amy" To: "Jordan, Michael" , Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:41:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>what I really want is something like a "Toyota of motorcycles" >>Reasonably priced, efficient, effective, and made to do some miles. > >Sounds like a PC-800 to me... > >Michael J. Ahem, your point? Yeah, so it doesn't need much maintenance. So it looks like an Accord on two wheels. And it doesn't exactly glint in the sun - but it does shine! Why am I being so defensive all of a sudden??!! It's not like you were being uncomplimentary or mean or anything.... were you??! Amy, ever vigilant - watching for insults, implied or not... '89 PC800 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 14:58:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27714; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03117 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14534 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA03678 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:57:18 -0700 Message-Id: <199807011857.AA03678@portal.visa.com> Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:57:18 -0700 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:58:23 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain You do me an injustice, fair lady. What I said was in support of the PC - not my type of scooter, admittedly, but filling its niche quite nicely. For the person who is looking for a relatively low maintenance ride that doesn't need a weekend to clean ('cause it's hard to get into all of the motor crannies of a "nekkid" bike) and keeps him (or her) fairly free from oncoming bugs 'n stuff while providing a generous amount of lockable storage space - the PC is perfect - the Toyota of motorcycles. While I personally don't like the PC, I can appreciate it for what it is. Michael J. -----Original Message----- From: Rottier.Amy [mailto:Rottier.Amy@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 14:42 To: Jordan, Michael; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" >>what I really want is something like a "Toyota of motorcycles" >>Reasonably priced, efficient, effective, and made to do some miles. > >Sounds like a PC-800 to me... > >Michael J. Ahem, your point? Yeah, so it doesn't need much maintenance. So it looks like an Accord on two wheels. And it doesn't exactly glint in the sun - but it does shine! Why am I being so defensive all of a sudden??!! It's not like you were being uncomplimentary or mean or anything.... were you??! Amy, ever vigilant - watching for insults, implied or not... '89 PC800 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 15:01:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27783; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:01:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03197 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14650 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA04170 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:00:38 -0700 Message-Id: <199807011900.AA04170@portal.visa.com> Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:00:38 -0700 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Humor Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:01:43 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Yer timing is atrocious - Jeanette is out of the country right now and I think that Linda is still out west somewhere. You need to repost this when they're back. Let me know when - I want to sell tickets for the event. Or at least get the beer concession... Michael J. -----Original Message----- From: Craig Johnston [mailto:tleatsducks@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 14:21 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Humor Things seem kind of slow and boring today ...I thought this might get a rise out of some of you out there... Not intended to hurt anyone's feelings :~)) >From Fuzzy Galores Web Site: "Top Ten Things Not To Say To A Lady Sportbike Rider" 10. "Your dad let you ride that thing?" 9. " That's alot of horsepower for you isn't it?" 8. " Have you ever had sex on it?" 7. " No? Can we try?" 6. " Do you ever ride in a g-string?" 5. " We'll wait for you at the intersections." 4. " Awwww, look. A girl on a sportbike. How cute." 3. " You don't really want that bike. You want a nice,little cruiser. Maybe like a 250." 2. " Did you ride that here all by yourself?" 1. " When your boyfriend comes out of the gas station, tell him i said 'nice bike'." _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 15:07:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27886; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03380 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14946 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807011906.PAA14946@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A8D25C0276; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 15:06:58 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 15:09:27 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" In-Reply-To: <044401bda51f$e8e1e710$5b111bc6@dn7ty.hst.lmms.lmco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>what I really want is something like a "Toyota of motorcycles" >>>Reasonably priced, efficient, effective, and made to do some miles. >> >>Sounds like a PC-800 to me... >> >Ahem, your point? Yeah, so it doesn't need much maintenance. So it looks >like an Accord on two wheels. And it doesn't exactly glint in the sun - but >it does shine! > >Why am I being so defensive all of a sudden??!! It's not like you were >being uncomplimentary or mean or anything.... were you??! > >Amy, ever vigilant - watching for insults, implied or not... >'89 PC800 I've often thought the PC was a near-perfect commuter vehicle - minimal maintenance, big trunk, some weather protection. What kept me from really going for it was its relatively low payload (about 300-350 lb. isn't it? Unfortunately that makes it only a single-seater for me, and I'd like to ride two-up occasionally). Also, I recall that the alternator output is not a lot - for those cold electric vest days. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 15:07:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27885; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03377 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14938 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807011906.PAA14938@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A8D05C0276; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 15:06:56 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 15:05:30 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Humor In-Reply-To: <19980701182104.25168.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Isn't the guy who said that to Jeanette still in the hospital? :-) Chris Norloff At 11:21 AM 7/1/98 -0700, Craig Johnston wrote: >Things seem kind of slow and boring today ...I thought this might get >a rise out of some of you out there... >Not intended to hurt anyone's feelings :~)) > > >>From Fuzzy Galores Web Site: > >"Top Ten Things Not To Say To A Lady Sportbike Rider" > > > >10. "Your dad let you ride that thing?" > >9. " That's alot of horsepower for you isn't it?" > >8. " Have you ever had sex on it?" > >7. " No? Can we try?" > >6. " Do you ever ride in a g-string?" > >5. " We'll wait for you at the intersections." > >4. " Awwww, look. A girl on a sportbike. How cute." > >3. " You don't really want that bike. You want a nice,little cruiser. >Maybe like a 250." > >2. " Did you ride that here all by yourself?" > >1. " When your boyfriend comes out of the gas station, tell him i said >'nice bike'." > > > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 15:37:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28192; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03640 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mac_dell.hst.nasa.gov (known dhcp100_96.hst.nasa.gov [198.118.96.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15828 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 198.118.96.1 by mac_dell.hst.nasa.gov (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT) Received: from dn7ty ([198.27.17.91]) by lmmail.hst.nasa.gov (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 196; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:32:09 -0400 Message-ID: <04e801bda527$9b4b8fd0$5b111bc6@dn7ty.hst.lmms.lmco.com> From: "Rottier.Amy" To: , "Chris Norloff" Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:36:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff >I've often thought the PC was a near-perfect commuter vehicle - minimal >maintenance, big trunk, some weather protection. What kept me from really >going for it was its relatively low payload (about 300-350 lb. isn't it? >Unfortunately that makes it only a single-seater for me, and I'd like to >ride two-up occasionally). Also, I recall that the alternator output is >not a lot - for those cold electric vest days. Right on both accounts. I have to watch my loading (there ain't much room left after me and the gas...) physically, and electronically. Wiring it up for my wants will be a challenge. Although, there are plenty of people out there who have successfully wired it up for sound, heat (grips and vest), comm, and various others (clock, esp.). It can be done - but I'm sure that can be said of any bike, given certain parameters and added equipment. As for commuter bike - that's right. It's the best. But, I also enjoy it in the twisties - it's stable enough for me to feel like I can challenge myself and still control the bike well. It's no sportbike, power-wise, but handling is pleasant and agile. Amy OK - enough PC800 aggrandizement. Back to your regularly scheduled bi---- er, griping... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 16:09:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28671; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04681 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17054 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA25331 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:08:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Non moto: truck for sale Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is probably terribly inappropriate but traffic is slow and I'll keep it brief... For moto content: this would be a good choice for towing a bike. 89 Dodge Raider (aka, Mitsubishi Montero) 4x4, V6, 70k miles $6000. Thanks, Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 16:35:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28972; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:35:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05792 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known [206.27.242.109] [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17708 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p20dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.52]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA25539; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:26:43 -0400 Message-ID: <00b201bda52e$aa689060$34f31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" , Subject: Re: Where can I check VIN Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:27:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Is this some kind of sick joke? You're going from a Blackbird to a CB350 (no insult intended to CB owners; just a huge difference in bike styles). Your only fault was following too close and you've learned your lesson. Don't punish yourself too much!!! -----Original Message----- From: To: Date: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 7:30 AM Subject: Where can I check VIN >I found a nice bike I can consider as replacement. > >I have VIN number; where can I check if the bike is >OK ? Anyone knows a WWW page for this purpose, or >should I ask friendly bike shop to check this VIN >for me ? > >(Bike is a nice, clean Honda CB 350 - this time I won't >be tempted to ride fast :-) -- Tom Gimer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 18:42:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02747; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10413 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA23028 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.35]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 18:38:40 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Leon Begeman" , Cc: Subject: RE: Helmet safety issue Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:39:43 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bda541$24838be0$2380e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <359A786E.FFB23D5F@illuminet.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Illegality doesn't remove the freedom of choice. That simples complicates the issue by throwing in whether or not the benefits of not wearing a helmet are outweighed by not wearing a helmet AND committing civil disobedience. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mrider@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 1:57 PM > To: NJitzul@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Helmet safety issue > > > Choosing to ride without a helmet is illegal. In the "Free State" you > don't have the freedom to choose. > > Leon. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 18:42:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02749; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10421 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA23036 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.35]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 18:38:45 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "Dale Horstman" Subject: RE: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:39:53 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bda541$2a57db20$2380e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <359A9756.88ED4C8C@tidalwave.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > I thought the downside to hydraulic valves was that > they were particularly sensitive to engine oil level. > IOW, you really needed to check the oil frequently. > > Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. > > George Howell wrote: > > > > Hydraulic valves require no adjustments. That's just one downside of hydraulic valves. But how many of us have ever let oil levels go down that much? The others are as I said before: can't tolerate high revs or high lift cams. The UPside to hydraulic valves is that they require no adjustments. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 18:42:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02755; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10416 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA23032 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.35]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 18:38:41 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Chris Norloff" , Subject: RE: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:39:49 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bda541$27fd2240$2380e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199807011802.OAA12684@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > I guess I need to shift toward the Wings and PC's of this world -- what I > really want is something like a "Toyota of motorcycles". Reasonably > priced, efficient, effective, and made to do some miles. That would likely be the CB 750 (no offense, I wouldn't mind having one). If you look up 'motorcycle' in the dictionary, there should be a current Honda Nighthawk. I don't think a more generic motorcycle exists. It does NOTHING well. But everything moderately well. Probably more fun to ride than a Wing (which can boogie, but it's so damned much work:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 19:06:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA03972; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11065 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA24641 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA04291; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:05:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-02.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.66) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma004221; Wed Jul 1 18:05:14 1998 Message-ID: <359AEBE1.466A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 19:09:37 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Do they have a Concours at Coleman falls Church? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anybody that stops by Coleman-Falls Church know if they have a Kawasaki Concours on the floor. None of the dealers out this way keep them in stock, although they are all more than willing to order one ;). Twiggs in Hagerstown has even gotten the '99 dealer order sheet, and they are still listed for $7999. I would like to see how one would fit, ( Short Inseam ). Rode one back in mid eighties, which seemed a bit tall, but it looks like the seat is slightly different now. Plus a nother decades riding under the belt. Dont know when I'll ever get a chance to catch Dale or anyone else on a ride the way this summer is going. -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 22:47:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05634; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15810 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28202 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt.erols.com (207-172-121-124.s124.tnt15.brd.erols.com [207.172.121.124]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA26716; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807020246.WAA26716@smtp2.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: "Anita Lauro" , "Louis F. Caplan" , "DC-Cycles List" Subject: Re: Friday Ride? Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:42:34 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will be there between 10:00 and 10:30 on Friday. What is the planned route? Roy D. Turner, Esq. ---------- > From: Anita Lauro > To: Louis F. Caplan ; DC-Cycles List > Subject: RE: Friday Ride? > Date: Monday, June 29, 1998 7:42 PM > > On Monday, June 29, 1998 7:05 PM, Louis F. Caplan [SMTP:louis@XXXXXX] > wrote: > > : I'd be willing to lead either of these rides. They both start from > : Cycle Sports - Springfield. All of the rest stops are near gas > stations > : for those who are gas-tank challenged. 8^) > > Louis, > > Either ride sounds just great to me. I'll be at Cycle Sport by 10:15 am > or so. This is assuming that I don't remove parts from my motorcycle in > an attempt to change the oil, and then can't figure out what goes back > where!! :) I'd like to have a copy of one or both ride sheets, for > future reference. > > Thanks for taking the lead on this one! > > Anita > '96 GPZ1100 [No Name] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 09:38:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10918; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27943 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06610 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA11623 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:30:14 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 02 Jul 1998 09:35:15 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 09:37:52 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: biker shooter Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Barely caught this on Public Radio this am. Thought you folks would like to know that the dickless coward who shot and killed the Gold Wing rider the other night has turned himself in to Norfolk (or Hampton, can't remember which) police. Today's Richmond paper says David Sanchez, 17, of Hopewell sold the 9mm Tech 9 for $300 in Hopwell in the hours after the shooting. Police say the victim, James Hoover, 54, appeared to be a target of opportunity. There are a total of five defendants in the case. Sanchez's picture appears in the paper today. He got a reeeal purty mouth . . . Joe Nagy '85 Ninja Goochland Co. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 09:47:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10972; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28032 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06790 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:47:47 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id JAA13864 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:47:29 -0400 Message-Id: <199807021347.JAA13864@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:47:29 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:47:29 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:47:29 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 9:45:34 -0400 Subject: RE: Helmet safety issue To: cfagan@XXXXXX Cc: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, NJitzul@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F281D@MSCEX> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ...not to mention the very real possibility of kissing a pregnant rice bug right in your teeth, or worse yet, exploding into your mouth...YEEEEEEEEECCCCCCCCHHHHHH!!!!!!! *burp*..thankyouverymuch... ..now back to finishing my breakfast... ;-) -aki > Actually, it looked to me as if the fatality rate (fatalities/accident) > went up between the two periods. > The data showed a lot fewer deaths, but at the same time it showed about > 6000 fewer reported accidents. > Statistics can be tweaked to argue any case though. > I agree with you...I'll choose to continue wearing mine. I've whacked the > ground enough times between motrcross bikes and street bikes to know I'm > better off with it.....and some of those accidents happen at the weirdest of > times... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: NJitzul@XXXXXX [SMTP:NJitzul@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 1:34 PM > > To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Helmet safety issue > > > > Well, what this shows me is that the Helmet law has helped. Though deaths > > haven't dropped as much as accidents in general, it has dropped. We've all > > got > > the freedom to choose. I'll continue to choose to wear my helmet. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 09:48:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10977; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28038 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06796 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 315; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:47:48 -0400 Message-ID: <359B8F90.6F4ED4F2@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 09:48:00 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shephar1@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Do they have a Concours at Coleman falls Church? References: <359AEBE1.466A@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ken wrote: > > Anybody that stops by Coleman-Falls Church know if they have a Kawasaki > Concours on the floor. Dont know when I'll ever get a chance to catch > Dale or anyone else on a ride the way this summer is going. > -- I should be at Coleman Falls Church tomorrow for the Friday ride suggested by Anita & Louis. I'd be willing to swap the Connie for the Sporty for a short ride just about anytime. (Been itching to ride a Sporty anyway!) PS: The Connie is still pretty tall and top heavy, until you get used to it. But you are right, the newer seats did drop the seat height by about an inch or so. PPS: The father in law is still riding your old 440 LTD. I think he likes it pretty well. It's far and away a better bike than my 400 :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 09:54:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11013; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28298 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06921 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:53:43 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id JAA14611 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:53:30 -0400 Message-Id: <199807021353.JAA14611@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:53:30 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:53:30 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:53:30 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 9:51:14 -0400 Subject: Re: Humor To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199807011906.PAA14938@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ...actually I heard he's no longer with us...Jeanette heard he was getting better so she rode her VFR up the stairs and ran over his head... -aki > Isn't the guy who said that to Jeanette still in the hospital? > > :-) > Chris Norloff > > > At 11:21 AM 7/1/98 -0700, Craig Johnston wrote: > >Things seem kind of slow and boring today ...I thought this might get > >a rise out of some of you out there... > >Not intended to hurt anyone's feelings :~)) > > > > > >>From Fuzzy Galores Web Site: > > > >"Top Ten Things Not To Say To A Lady Sportbike Rider" > > > > > > > >10. "Your dad let you ride that thing?" > > > >9. " That's alot of horsepower for you isn't it?" > > > >8. " Have you ever had sex on it?" > > > >7. " No? Can we try?" > > > >6. " Do you ever ride in a g-string?" > > > >5. " We'll wait for you at the intersections." > > > >4. " Awwww, look. A girl on a sportbike. How cute." > > > >3. " You don't really want that bike. You want a nice,little cruiser. > >Maybe like a 250." > > > >2. " Did you ride that here all by yourself?" > > > >1. " When your boyfriend comes out of the gas station, tell him i said > >'nice bike'." > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________ > >DO YOU YAHOO!? > >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 09:54:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11017; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28334 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06933 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) id ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:53:35 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Outa Here Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:54:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) Content-Type: text/plain I'm off on vacation for a week and I'll be unsubscribing. Tom M. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 09:55:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11026; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:55:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28395 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06945 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 197; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:54:39 -0400 Message-ID: <359B9128.2675A0F@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 09:54:48 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anita Lauro , "Louis F. Caplan" CC: DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: Friday Ride? References: <199807020246.WAA26716@smtp2.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Louis wrote: > > : I'd be willing to lead either of these rides. They both start from > > : Cycle Sports - Springfield. All of the rest stops are near gas > > stations > > : for those who are gas-tank challenged. 8^) I hadn't spoken up earlier until I was sure I was free and clear, but count me in for the Friday ride! I'll be at Cycle Sports by 10:00 or so. If no one else has expressed a preference, I'd vote for the longer of the two routes - the one that goes out to Middleburg, Winchester, etc. But then again I would always vote for the longer route anyways! :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 09:58:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11060; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28692 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:58:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known [206.213.111.115] [206.213.111.115]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07041 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. 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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 06:52:12 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Hi Dale, I thought we were going to meet at the Cycle Sport in Springfield at 10ish? - - Ursulina -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 02, 1998 6:48 AM To: shephar1@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Do they have a Concours at Coleman falls Church? Ken wrote: > > Anybody that stops by Coleman-Falls Church know if they have a Kawasaki > Concours on the floor. Dont know when I'll ever get a chance to catch > Dale or anyone else on a ride the way this summer is going. > -- I should be at Coleman Falls Church tomorrow for the Friday ride suggested by Anita & Louis. I'd be willing to swap the Connie for the Sporty for a short ride just about anytime. (Been itching to ride a Sporty anyway!) PS: The Connie is still pretty tall and top heavy, until you get used to it. 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M,0LN4#X`:0&0("8@3/\(8 0`1$%%X$XS`_ XL!P$\QH$`^!A/<:G4I\!RP!N!U$! :$\](T2M !X!$02A"">$= MX']'H1P%2>,W,%;E2-%*<2'R*1H*4%,V0"UQ5==*TO\K0$8!$I 0D%M3$$1!0EC@(&$B M"L ;1DGA' )A(9\%P ;P M'L G85-@5$1+]9L:P@N :U_Q:>!I:P>1GU,07K8;8#BP4\)T)P0@_SB02+(> MP4IR-S :!$Y0`D#=1E%B;6$^<@.@;2Y0)W#M$+ Z7&LI?"@<\BJV7&5_5\$J M[Q"0&@HNLT'V-T@BJ6)P9U,+8'D$D")VIN8W(Y!W5TM:<:$:!!4A`@![4 `` M``,`+@``````"P`"``$````>`' ``0```#$```!$;R!T:&5Y(&AA=F4@82!# M;VYC;W5R`#T``0`` M``4```!213H@``````L`*0``````"P`C```````"`7\``0```% ````\8SU5 M4R5A/4%45$U!24PE<#U!5%0E;#U(445.1U]-4T; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07126 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:07:07 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: Dale Horstman , shephar1@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Do they have a Concours at Coleman falls Church? Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:07:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain On Thursday, July 02, 1998 9:48 AM, Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] wrote: : I should be at Coleman Falls Church tomorrow for the Friday : ride suggested by Anita & Louis. I'd be willing to : swap the Connie for the Sporty for a short ride just about : anytime. (Been itching to ride a Sporty anyway!) Dale, The ride actually starts at Cycle Sport in Springfield, not at Coleman's in Falls Church! Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 10:01:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11125; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:01:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29066 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07135 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:01:24 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id KAA15338 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:01:09 -0400 Message-Id: <199807021401.KAA15338@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:01:09 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:01:09 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:01:09 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 9:59:13 -0400 Subject: biker shooter To: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ..can we say "Prison Bitch for Life"? ..I knew you could... > Barely caught this on Public Radio this am. > > Thought you folks would like to know that the dickless coward who shot > and killed the Gold Wing rider the other night has turned himself in to > Norfolk (or Hampton, can't remember which) police. > > Today's Richmond paper says David Sanchez, 17, of Hopewell sold the 9mm > Tech 9 for $300 in Hopwell in the hours after the shooting. > > Police say the victim, James Hoover, 54, appeared to be a target of > opportunity. There are a total of five defendants in the case. > > Sanchez's picture appears in the paper today. He got a reeeal purty > mouth . . . > > Joe Nagy > '85 Ninja > Goochland Co. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 10:22:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11344; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00152 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07733 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:22:28 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WGZIa19316 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <89675504.359b96f7@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:19:34 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Harley tour Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 I've returned from my vacation which began on a Harley in San Fransisco. I rode pillion (darn!) and my boyfriend rode (since he paid for the bike - I'm too poor) And yes - one can rent Harleys...... anyway. We went down Route 1 to L.A., stopping in little places along the way like Carmel and Big Sur. Route 1 is plenty twisty but is still being repaired from the storm damage they had a coup[le months ago so there were some long waits for road crews to get by....... (oh - did I mention rides through Napa Valley? BEAUtiful!) From LA we got on the LA freeway (NIGHTMARE) and rode out to Palm Springs. Straight, flat, scary, and boring. Those people drive like maniacs! It's legal to split lanes in California :D ......... From Palm Springs we went across the Mojave desert in the late afternoon so as not to be too hot and ended up riding a good portion of it in the dark with nothing but the starts to see by (and the headlights....). Did you know there are people living in the middle of the Mojave? Very strange. I wonder what they do for a living? Stopped finally in Needles, CA and the next morning got onto the historic Route 66 which is a twisty TWISTY turning hilly road through the Arizona desert - you come across a car (driving) every mile or so (or less often sometimes) so you pretty much get the road to yourself....... I rode through Route 66 for a while (I was very afraid of dropping this rented Harley 1200 however because with the boy on the back it got dang heavy!) We stopped in a couple little desert town along the way .... touristy stuff .... whole town looks like old west kind of town ...... you know .... but they had water! Thank god! (gets pretty hot in the desert kids!) We followed Route 66 all the way to the Grand Canyon which simply must be seen to be understood. Pictures ABSOLUTELY do NOT do it any kind of justice whatsoever! (was that emphatic enough?) From there went south via secondary roads towards Phoenix, missing by one day the Harley rally in Flagstaff Arizona....... Northern Arizona is gorgeous with cool rock formations and great weather. Then, two hours outside of Phoenix, we entered hell. :D No really! Suddenyl the temperature went up to about 100! We rode for an hour, sweat pouring off of us, thinking it couldn't possibly get any hotter. We were wrong. 110 that day in sunny Phoenx. Thank heavens Arizona has NO helmet law! :D:D:D Just a bandana between my and the sky. (and the ground......... I know I know) However, southern AZ is beautiful in it's own way with cacti everywhere! The kind you'd see in a roadrunner cartoon. But hot hot hot! Although apparently 9 months of the year it's paradise with 70 degrees and perfect skies....... there is NO better way to spend a vacation as far as I'm concerned. Bikers out there were all very friendly. Everybody waves to eachother in passing. And I realized something in a very concrete way, which I've sort of known but never thoroughly understood before. It is this: the entire country (and much of the world) is PAVED. Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 10:35:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11445; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00604 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08158 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:35:53 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DD3@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: NYC Directions.. Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:34:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Argh.. I must be a hopeless country boy.. I'm attempting to find a quick way up to NYC and into the city, and I know you get off 95 somewhere to hit the NJ turnpike (I think).. where is that though? Oh, if anyone's got some good, non interstate way to come back from there, I have all day Sunday to return.. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 10:39:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11480; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00727 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08233 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA10019 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:38:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Friday riding Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well it looks like it will end up just being Glenn and I for the weekend trip (although Leon will be riding back with us on Sunday). You know, there's no reason others couldn't join up for part of the way. We're going to head out 66 to 647, 522, 211, 81, 33, etc. You could head back from 33 using 28/250, or heading north to 55E at Seneca Rocks (which is a sight worth stopping for). You may even find the rest of the weekend hard to resist... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 10:47:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11630; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01070 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send101.yahoomail.com (known send101.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.87]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08476 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980702144704.27789.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send101.yahoomail.com; Thu, 02 Jul 1998 07:47:04 PDT Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 07:47:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Johnston Subject: Re: Humor To: aki.damme@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Damn you all can't take a joke :~( Too bad ....no humor , no fun... Make whatever of it that you want .. I could care less. Craig ---aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > ...actually I heard he's no longer with us...Jeanette heard > he was getting better so she rode her VFR up the stairs and > ran over his head... > > -aki > > > Isn't the guy who said that to Jeanette still in the hospital? > > > > :-) > > Chris Norloff _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 10:48:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11639; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01095 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08524 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 264; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:47:35 -0400 Message-ID: <359B9D93.DDA4BE62@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 10:47:47 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Viteri, Ursulina" , Ken Shepard , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Do they have a Concours at Coleman falls Church? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, yes, my bad, I meant to say I would be at Cycle Sport Springfield tomorrow, I'm not nearly as confused as I sound, really. Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > > Hi Dale, > > I thought we were going to meet at the Cycle Sport in Springfield at > 10ish? > > - - Ursulina > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 02, 1998 6:48 AM > To: shephar1@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Do they have a Concours at Coleman falls Church? > > Ken wrote: > > > > Anybody that stops by Coleman-Falls Church know if they have a Kawasaki > > Concours on the floor. Dont know when I'll ever get a chance to > catch > > Dale or anyone else on a ride the way this summer is going. > > -- > > I should be at Coleman Falls Church tomorrow for the Friday > ride suggested by Anita & Louis. I'd be willing to > swap the Connie for the Sporty for a short ride just about > anytime. (Been itching to ride a Sporty anyway!) > > PS: The Connie is still pretty tall and top heavy, until > you get used to it. But you are right, the newer seats > did drop the seat height by about an inch or so. > > PPS: The father in law is still riding your old 440 LTD. > I think he likes it pretty well. It's far and away a > better bike than my 400 :) > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > > Name: WINMAIL.DAT > WINMAIL.DAT Type: wordpad (application/x-unknown-content-type-dat_auto_file) > Encoding: x-uuencode -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 10:49:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11656; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:49:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01134 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08565 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:48:57 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id KAA19410 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:48:39 -0400 Message-Id: <199807021448.KAA19410@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:48:39 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:48:39 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:48:39 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:46:49 -0400 Subject: Harley tour To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <89675504.359b96f7@aol.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME GREAT story! Sounds like you had a blast! Don't know what brought tears to my eyes, the idea of riding through the desert and seeing the nighttime sky as well seeing the Grand Canyon (which I agree, is simply breathtaking), or the fact that someone can AFFORD renting a Harley for that long! 8-P -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 11:21:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12266; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02503 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09990 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 347 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:20:52 -0400 Message-ID: <359BA55F.56BB51DD@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 11:21:03 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Old Herndon Police Poker Run Ride sheets Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone happen to have e-copies of the previous Herndon Police Poker Run ride sheets stashed somewhere? I was gonna re-run mine from a couple of years ago, imagine my dismay when I found out I misplaced them somewhere... Much thanks in advance if anyone can help me out. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 11:43:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12684; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03302 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11000 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA11277 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:43:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Alternative Friday Ride Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Plans for the 3 day trip have turned a bit sour (sorry, Leon, I won't be in Princeton Sunday morning but we will reschedule the weekend trip) so, instead, there will be a full day of riding on Saturday. We'll meet at the I-66 rest stop (there is only one on the entire length of 66) near Manassas at 9:00am tomorrow, July 3rd. That is, we'll leave the rest stop at 9:00am... Corners will be taken at a spirited pace, passing on the double yellow will be done as necessary but most straightaways will be taken near the speed limit. Some of the roads aren't beginner friendly (particularly US250, which normally doesn't like beginners but is particularly bad now with gravel patches on it). The general route will be: I-66, 647, 522, 211, 81 or 11, lunch in Harrisonburg, 33 (maybe all the way to Elkins), 250, and back. I will probably lead most of the route and, as usual, encourage everyone to go at a pace which is comfortable to you. This route will be a few more miles than the Cycle Sport ride. I expect 400-450 miles from College Park. Let me know if you think you'll make it. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 11:56:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12910; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03590 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11537 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA11547 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:55:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Weekend trip planned Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We have postponed our 3-day trip to Princeton, WV (which was going to be July 3-5). I would like to go ahead and plan the actual date for this ride. Any weekend in July or August (oops, not August 22/23, my anniversary weekend) should be fair game. If you've followed the route listing and general plan option I've been posting to the list lately you should have a good idea of what we'll be doing. There is the potential for picking between doing this over 2 days and doing this over 3 days (my preference). The 2 day trip would involve leaving early (5-6:00am) on saturday, slabbing it quickly down to Princeton, and doing a VA16 loop. On Sunday, we'd return on backroads through the heart of WV. The 3 day trip would involve leaving on a Friday, taking backroads throught the heart of WV, doing a VA16 loop on Saturday, and then taking backroads throught the heart of WV to get back home. We can do the whole thing pretty leisurely so, even if you don't consider yourself a 'sporty' rider, we ought to be able to accomodate you. My personal ride will involve going briskly through the corners, passing on the double yellow when approaching twisties, and taking a sedate pace on the straights. If you'd like to be involved give me your preference for dates and tell me which option (2 day or 3 day) you'd prefer. Note that both options will give you about 1000 mostly backroads miles from the DC area. If you want more miles I would gladly accomodate you... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 12:25:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13397; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04451 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12448 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:24:51 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WMDJa22587 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:22:48 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: motorcycle wanted Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 I clipped the following from the classifieds in Motorcycle Online. I seem to recall some listers had bikes for sale. Respond to daveyb@XXXXXX. I know nothing more about this. Mark Wanted: Sport Bike in DC area daveyb@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 10:54:13 PDT 1998 I am looking for a used sport bike. I am interested in a YZF600R or a CBR600F3. I am in the Washington DC metro area and would be interested in someone selling a sport bike in this area for a reasonable price. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 12:39:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13589; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04814 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13018 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-153.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.153]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA13171; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:41:38 -0400 Message-ID: <359BB79E.F04C5EB2@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 12:38:54 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Alternative Friday Ride References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So Friday goes from the rest area in Manassas to Elkins WV (or nearly so) except for the other group which leaves from Cycle Sport. What's on for Saturday? Is there a ride Sunday? Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 13:47:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14712; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07257 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15548 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 197; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:47:13 -0400 Message-ID: <359BC796.C229FF16@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 13:47:02 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anita Lauro , "Louis F. Caplan" , DC-Cycles List Subject: Damn, Best laid plans, was Re: Friday Ride? References: <199807020246.WAA26716@smtp2.erols.com> <359B9128.2675A0F@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Earlier today I wrote: > I hadn't spoken up earlier until I was sure I was free and > clear, but count me in for the Friday ride! I'll be at > Cycle Sports by 10:00 or so. -- Looks like I spoke too soon. Now I *won't* be able to make the ride on Friday morning. I'm seriously bummed out now. I hate last minute changes like this... Oh well, another time! Have fun, and ride safe! Maybe if I'm good this weekend (read that as "if I bust my ass doing chores around the house all day Saturday") I might be up for a nice long Sunday ride. :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 14:01:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14972; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:01:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07462 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo30.mx.aol.com (known imo30.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.74]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16193 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:01:08 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WHVAa26166 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20d0561c.359bc8fe@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:53:01 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Humor Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-07-02 10:52:27 EDT, you write: << Damn you all can't take a joke :~( >> I think we all took it as a joke, Craig. All I saw was light-hearted replies. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 14:06:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15094; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07504 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16454 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id OAA03284; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma003243; Thu, 2 Jul 98 14:06:17 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:08:41 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Accident Stats Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:08:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >This report is from 1985 to 1996, but for format purposes, I just gave 88 and >up. I hope this gives a little insight to everyone. Let me know if you have >any questions. > >Sean G. Petr >98 TL-R Looking at accident stats and helmet laws alone would only make sense if helmets were the only factor that causes or prevents accidents. Since traffic density, rider education, level of overall vehicle law enforcement, weather, and a number of other factors affect the frequency of severity of accidents, there's not really much insight to be found in numbers such as these. --John Whiteside From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 14:22:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15482; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07715 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:22:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17031 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:22:32 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id OAA03955 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:22:19 -0400 Message-Id: <199807021822.OAA03955@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:22:19 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:22:19 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:22:19 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:20:12 -0400 Subject: read on SABMAG list... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME thought yall would find this humorous..wouldn't be nice to have self healing bikes? (the topic was a recent low-sider by a fellow rider and subsequent damages to ego and bike..) -aki >X-Comment: mitvma.mit.edu: Mail was sent by mail.rewarner.com >Priority: normal >Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:56:06 -5 >Reply-To: Honda Sabre and Magna Motorcycle Owners >Sender: Honda Sabre and Magna Motorcycle Owners >From: "David A. Ryder" >Organization: REWarner & Associates >Subject: Re: SME 3.0, another one bites the dust. >To: SABMAG@XXXXXX > >On 2 Jul 98 at 10:26, Joel Harding wrote: > >> BTW: The bike can always be fixed again. I'd rather see scratched >> plastic than skin grafts! > >Actually, in many cases, fixing the skin is MUCH cheaper than fixing >the bike. As Lee (SabreMan) found out, a $10 copayment and a few >weeks in a soft cast and bandages and he was fine. The BIKE, on the >other hand.... > >Someday we'll invent self-healing skin for our bikes! Hey, wait a >minute...obligatory 80's quote? > >"So, you're alive?" >"Living tissue over poly-alloy frame." > > >David Ryder >Cleveland, OH >SabMag Calendar: www.infinet.com/~trigger/calendar.html >85 VF1100S Sabre, "The Asphalt Chainsaw" > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 14:23:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15490; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07736 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17059 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:23:01 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WOPYa11435 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <976554f.359bcf95@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:21:08 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: beginner bike for sale Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 I'm posting this for a computer-less friend who just bought a Hawk and wants to sell her learner bike. It's a 1982 (I think) Yamaha SR250. She's asking $500. It's in nice shape and runs great, but anyone interested in details will have to contact her. For more info, call Erin or Robert at 410/309-3188. The bike is in Columbia, MD. Colleen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 14:25:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15511; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07798 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17168 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:25:19 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 9IUTa19316; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1b3e4568.359bd06d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:24:44 EDT To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Accident Stats Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Thanks!! That's what I've kinda, sorta been trying to say!! When it comes down to it, wear a helmet! Why? Cause it's the law. Live with it! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 14:49:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15998; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08444 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18129 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p7dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.39]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA28471; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:48:58 -0400 Message-ID: <004f01bda5ea$2cc0b900$27f31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: Alternative Friday Ride Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:49:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 The message says full day of riding on Saturday and it appears you meant Friday. Which is it? If it's Saturday, I'm in....otherwise I'll probably do this route or one like it on Saturday alone (unless there are some other takers). -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Date: Thursday, July 02, 1998 11:49 AM Subject: Alternative Friday Ride >Plans for the 3 day trip have turned a bit sour (sorry, Leon, I won't be >in Princeton Sunday morning but we will reschedule the weekend trip) so, >instead, there will be a full day of riding on Saturday. We'll meet at the >I-66 rest stop (there is only one on the entire length of 66) near >Manassas at 9:00am tomorrow, July 3rd. That is, we'll leave the rest stop >at 9:00am... -- Tom Gimer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 15:46:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16653; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09689 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beckmann.eng.umd.edu (known beckmann.eng.umd.edu [129.2.102.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19982 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from twiddle.eng.umd.edu (twiddle.eng.umd.edu [129.2.94.141]) by beckmann.eng.umd.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA03187; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:45:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert S. Fourney" Received: (from knee@localhost) by twiddle.eng.umd.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA20715; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807021945.PAA20715@twiddle.eng.umd.edu> To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dipaula@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet safety issue Cc: aki.damme@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX, pellaz@XXXXXX, ph@XXXXXX, swaters@XXXXXX The number to look at is "deaths per accident" or death rate. Even the staunchest mommy-crat doesn't claim that helmets prevent accidents, the best they can do is help you survive (or improve your "quality of life" after the spill). This number remains almost constant in every before/after study I've ever seen, which implies helmet _LAWS_ don't do much good... Bob Fourney, county co-ordinater Howard county MD ABATE, AND full face helmet wearer before and after the law From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 16:08:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17204; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA10139 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from access5.digex.net (known access5.digex.net [205.197.245.196]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21211 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (dipaula@localhost) by access5.digex.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id QAA17668; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:08:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Donald DiPaula To: "Robert S. Fourney" cc: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dipaula@XXXXXX, aki.damme@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX, pellaz@XXXXXX, ph@XXXXXX, swaters@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet safety issue In-Reply-To: <199807021945.PAA20715@twiddle.eng.umd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > The number to look at is "deaths per accident" or death rate. > Even the staunchest mommy-crat doesn't claim that helmets prevent accidents, > the best they can do is help you survive (or improve your "quality of life" > after the spill). This number remains almost constant in every before/after > study I've ever seen, which implies helmet _LAWS_ don't do much good... i make no claims either way; i'm merely pointing out that the data is almost meaningless without a context. in classical terms, what is the control group? i do believe that the right helmet _can_ help prevent accidents by separating the rider from distractions (wind, bugs, etc.) that might otherwise keep him from noticing road hazards in time. if riding remains constant but accidents go down with helmet use, then clearly helmets are a good thing even if you don't crash. if riding decreases and accidents decrease similarly, then that would no longer hold true. in either case, i'm considering the possibility helmet _use_ might have; i am _not_ going to get into an argument here about helmet laws, an entirely different subject. > Bob Fourney, county co-ordinater Howard county MD ABATE, > AND full face helmet wearer before and after the law -D- "It's important for the boy to learn how to weasel out of things. It's what sets us apart from the animals. Except for the weasels." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 16:17:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17638; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA10314 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21990 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:16:58 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id QAA11116 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:15:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199807022015.QAA11116@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:15:37 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:15:37 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:15:37 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:13:21 -0400 Subject: Re: Helmet safety issue To: dipaula@XXXXXX Cc: aki.damme@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dipaula@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX, knee@XXXXXX, pellaz@XXXXXX, ph@XXXXXX, swaters@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME I certainly won't go into the lid .vs. lidless issue,however there are atleast a couple of people in this group that will attest to the fact that just this summer alone, their helmets definately saved their lives... -aki > > The number to look at is "deaths per accident" or death rate. > > Even the staunchest mommy-crat doesn't claim that helmets prevent accidents, > > the best they can do is help you survive (or improve your "quality of life" > > after the spill). This number remains almost constant in every before/after > > study I've ever seen, which implies helmet _LAWS_ don't do much good... > > i make no claims either way; i'm merely pointing out that the data is almost > meaningless without a context. in classical terms, what is the control group? > > i do believe that the right helmet _can_ help prevent accidents by separating > the rider from distractions (wind, bugs, etc.) that might otherwise keep him > from noticing road hazards in time. > > if riding remains constant but accidents go down with helmet use, then clearly > helmets are a good thing even if you don't crash. if riding decreases and > accidents decrease similarly, then that would no longer hold true. in either > case, i'm considering the possibility helmet _use_ might have; i am _not_ > going to get into an argument here about helmet laws, an entirely different > subject. > > > Bob Fourney, county co-ordinater Howard county MD ABATE, > > AND full face helmet wearer before and after the law > > -D- > > "It's important for the boy to learn how to weasel out of things. It's > what sets us apart from the animals. Except for the weasels." > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 19:02:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA21010; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA14530 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.14]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27770 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:01:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA06244; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 18:01:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-37.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.101) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma006186; Thu Jul 2 18:00:11 1998 Message-ID: <359C3C2A.2A2A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 19:04:26 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Concours/the old KZ... References: <359AEBE1.466A@ix.netcom.com> <359B8F90.6F4ED4F2@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > > -- > > I should be at Coleman Falls Church tomorrow for the Friday > ride suggested by Anita & Louis. I'd be willing to > swap the Connie for the Sporty for a short ride just about > anytime. (Been itching to ride a Sporty anyway!) > > > PPS: The father in law is still riding your old 440 LTD. > I think he likes it pretty well. It's far and away a > better bike than my 400 :) -- Hey Dale, Thats great , I was curious as to how your Dad was getting along with the KZ. It's a great bike, I actually miss it sometimes. My daughtewr keeps asking about it. Anyway I would love to be able to take you up on the offer to switch rides for a bit tomorrow, but unfortunately I am working. UGH ;(...... One of these days though unless I can find one sitting somewhere. Anyway, everybody be careful out there this weekend, keep the rubber side down... Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 19:11:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA21112; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA14594 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.14]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27894 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA07102; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 18:10:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-37.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.101) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma007063; Thu Jul 2 18:09:48 1998 Message-ID: <359C3E71.30F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 19:14:09 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The 99 concours is Maroon by the way Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------4D1F45CA5863" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4D1F45CA5863 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey and the 99 is Maroon, werent they that color years ago? -- Ken S. 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dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 20:06:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA21770; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA14853 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAF (known smtp6.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.75]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA29264 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:05:24 -0400 Sender: hgg@XXXXXX Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (pool-207-205-219-115.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.219.115]) by hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.3) with SMTP id UAA10753 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980702200726.006ad0ec@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 20:07:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Another Motorcycle Leather Exchange Success Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Folks, I have to send out another public thank you to Colleen "I never forget a butt" Bray and her Motorcycle Leather Exchange. She wrote me of some new arrivals that might fit me and my favorite leather-clad beauty. Now I'm a proud and delighted owner of some snazzy new duds that round out my wardrobe. For those of you who haven't checked out her inventory, you don't know what you're missing. Write her (mailto:motorle@XXXXXX) and find out. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 20:42:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA22001; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA15009 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA29714 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm1-15.dial.nova.org (pm1-15.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.143]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA20593 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:42:00 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Alternative Friday ride start time change Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 00:42:36 GMT Message-ID: <35a828bd.725462528@mailgate.nova.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In the unlikely event that you guys read your e-mail this late... The ride meeting at the I-66 rest stop will be meeting at 7:30am, July 3rd. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 20:51:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA22067; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA15093 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:51:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (known camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA29782 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:51:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (user-37kbm1r.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.216.59]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA01420 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:50:51 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDA5FB.19703400.zellto@mindspring.com> From: "Thomas W.Zell" Reply-To: "zellto@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Cycle Sport Ride... Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:50:50 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi folks, Been outta town for the last few days riding the heck outta my VFR along the beaches of VA and Carolina.... I here that there is a ride tomorrow... can anyone give up some details? I might be interested. Thanks, Tom '86 VFR750r From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 21:16:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA22277; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA15260 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00129 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.22] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2630 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id VAA00210; Thu, 02 Jul 1998 21:17:00 -0400 Message-ID: <002001bda61f$fc24a960$1673c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" , "Kirk Roy" Subject: Re: Alternative Friday ride start time change Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:14:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Hi Kirk, Craig & I will be there 7:30 - 7:45. See you then! Bruce Leesburg, VA '98 VFR800 "Tronix" '94 RF600 "For Sale" >In the unlikely event that you guys read your e-mail this late... > >The ride meeting at the I-66 rest stop will be meeting at 7:30am, July >3rd. > >Kirk > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 21:18:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA22291; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA15273 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (known dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00154 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (user-38lcivf.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.75.239]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA08097 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:18:07 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDA5FE.E8580240.zellto@mindspring.com> From: "Thomas W.Zell" Reply-To: "zellto@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: VA Beach trip and Harley pilot's Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:18:06 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On my trip's back and forth between VA Beach, Nags Head, Hatteras, and home I came across many, many, many motorcyclists. Also came across a great deal of assholes on Harley's(and a few Gold Winger's). Now I'll give the Gold Winger's the benefit of the doubt(they were probably too busy chatting on the radio to pay attention), but why do Harley pilot's insist on ignoring people on other brands of bikes(I read the list of reasons already...)? Is it just too difficult for them to raise their hand for just a second to acknowledge me? Here I am.... cruising down the strip... all kinds of people on sportbikes, cruisers(non-Harley), and standards are acknowledging me either by a wave or a nod. But not the Harley dudes... I could just about be yelling at them and they still ignore me... Why? Can any Harley folks out there please explain this to me? It's quite annoying..... and makes you all look like a bunch of stuck up assholes(no offence meant here). The ones that didn't wave on the retuen trip home today got the"bird"instead. I hate having to drop to that kind of level.... -Tom '86 VFR750r From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 23:52:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23873; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16151 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA02370 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3CG6ZVQ7>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:57:30 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C404886358@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Kirk Roy'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Friday riding Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:57:26 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) What's the departing time and from where? Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 02, 1998 10:39 AM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Friday riding > > Well it looks like it will end up just being Glenn and I for the weekend > trip (although Leon will be riding back with us on Sunday). You know, > there's no reason others couldn't join up for part of the way. We're going > to head out 66 to 647, 522, 211, 81, 33, etc. You could head back from 33 > using 28/250, or heading north to 55E at Seneca Rocks (which is a sight > worth stopping for). You may even find the rest of the weekend hard to > resist... > > Kirk > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 3 02:40:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA25771; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA19476 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:40:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA04400 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:40:08 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 2VHQa11468; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <47aa945.359c7c4b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:37:37 EDT To: aki.damme@XXXXXX Cc: dipaula@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX, knee@XXXXXX, pellaz@XXXXXX, ph@XXXXXX, swaters@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Sorry to stir up trouble.(was Re: Helmet safety issue) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Ok, when I sent out the email, I wasnt trying to start a fuss between listers, just trying to give you guys some data, that I know isnt always available to everyone. The fact is, that the numbers on the graph, are actual numbers of accidents, deaths, etc. These arent accidents/deaths per mile as some of you have perceived.so there really is no need for "control group". And to those of you who say "its the law so deal with it." Nothing make me madder than hell to see you bend over and spread em willingly to all this legislative BS. ABATE and other helmet law activists arent just in it to get the helmet law repealed, they are trying to protect your rights TO CHOOSE. I know that I dont want a government that wants to protect me, from me, just cause Im a social burden. F*@! that. If all you do is accept what is given to you, you'll never know what its like to live in a free country. How would you like to wear a helmet with a 3rd brake light in it??? sound like fun? or how about big bulky leg protectors on the sides of your bikes? thats what they are testing over in europe, and the US is keeping an eye on it. I dont know about you but that scares the hell out of me. I mean, sure, making helmets mandatory is not a bad Idea, but just because its not a bad Idea doesnt mean its not going to be a bad law. What next? where do they stop? you let them make you wear helmets, and then they want you to do this, and then that... How do you feel about mandatory life jackets for boaters? sure, it doesnt deal with motorcycles, but when your trynig to make a point in the legislative body, it makes a great deal of motorcycles. And Im sorry for going off like this, but I just wish more people wouldnt just sit back and take stuff. We all need to do our part to make sure we all have the right to choose. thats all, is that so bad? Sean G. Petr 98 TL-R From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 3 09:55:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28389; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22332 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08538 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:54:41 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id JAA19667 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:53:57 -0400 Message-Id: <199807031353.JAA19667@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:53:57 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:53:57 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:53:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 9:47:47 -0400 Subject: Sorry to stir up trouble.(was Re: Helmet safety issue) To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Cc: aki.damme@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dipaula@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX, knee@XXXXXX, pellaz@XXXXXX, ph@XXXXXX, swaters@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <47aa945.359c7c4b@aol.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ....a couple of things, if you will... 1. I don't think *I* ever said anything about have to "live with the law"..however I *do* agree that anyone who rides around without a helmet is just plain brain dead..if they aren't now, they eventually *will* be...I don't know about everyone else, but if the helmet law was repealed in the D.C. area, I'd *still* wear one...my faith in the ability of cagers in this area (and probably the rest of the US), isn't THAT good! Additionally, the only people who scream about the "fact" that helmets don't save lives are LIVING...not a squeak (no pun intended) from the the thousands 6 feet under that *also* thought helmets were a pain and a "restriction" of their rights...personally I think THAT silent crowd is a testimony of the safety of helmets. I guess when I see someone out west riding without a helmet, the first thought that goes through me is "Gawd, that idiot sure has ALOT more faith in the cagers around him than *I* do." How strange to trust someones driving ability that they don't even know... 2. I can't speak for anyone else, but I definately know what it's like to have and express freedom. I've been to more countries than I want to list that *don't* have the freedom of expression and the "right" to express them as we do. I agree that some laws, even helmet laws, reeks of "Big Brother", but quite honestly, from what I've seen, ALOT of idiots NEED Big Brother to take care of them. Their careless disregard for life and the safety of others create a threat to me, my fellow riders and everyone around them. The REASON that laws are enacted are because someone somewhere PERCEIVES there is a threat to society. We have only ourselves to blame for that personna. I still believe that one should have the right to decide, however everytime I see some squid racing down the street on some crotch rocket with no shirt, swimming trunks and no shoes, it certainly doesn't convince anyone that we can police ourselves. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 3 12:03:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29681; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25089 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10671 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:03:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gerry-s-pc (207-172-144-146.s19.as2.fdk.erols.com [207.172.144.146]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA06098; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980703160343.006827d4@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: gerrymc@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 12:03:43 -0400 To: aki.damme@XXXXXX, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX From: Gerry McMahon Subject: Re: Sorry to stir up trouble. Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 09:47 AM 7/3/98 -0400, aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: >blame for that personna. I still believe that one should have >the right to decide, however everytime I see some squid racing >down the street on some crotch rocket with no shirt, swimming >trunks and no shoes, it certainly doesn't convince anyone that >we can police ourselves. > Hello, You forgot to mention the full face helmet he's wearing with his shorts and dock siders. However, my perception has changed alot over the last two years. When I started riding I wore a full face all the time and would challenge anyone to dis me about it. It was my choice and it is about freedom of choice after all. Then I switched to a half helmet for summer riding and used the full for cold weather only ... altho from time to time I wish I had the ff in a driving rain. This past June I went to Akron with some friends for a convention and tried a lid free existence for the weekend and really loved it. I was willing to accept the risk. Just like the dude and his pillion in matching ff helmets, tank tops, shorts and dock siders. I ride in jeans with boots, only ... but again this is my choice, after all how many squids are putting any real mileage on. One of my co-workers doesn't ride in the rain and can't ride for much more than an hour on his crotch rocket before his crotch goes numb. As a reference the trip to Akron was 10 hours going and 8 coming back ... lots more rain on the way there. Peace, Gerry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 3 20:38:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03651; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 20:38:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA04756 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 20:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA18933 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 20:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA05173 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 20:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leon-at-home (cust013.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.13]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA12490 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 20:38:12 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980704003609.00692f34@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 20:36:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Friday Ride (long) Kirk was nice enough to attempt to call me and let me know that the ride today left at 7:30 AM from the rest stop at Manassas instead of 9:00. Six of us left (Kirk, Craig, Glenn, Bruce, Tom and I), to my knowlege, all made it back safely. I returned home at 7:00 PM with 469 miles (Avg speed - 42.) The average speed highlights what was different about this ride from my usual rides. This ride was a roller coaster, I usually take the express train. We left Manassas just before 8AM, and stayed on 66 and 81 all the way to Harrisonburg. Ok, this is normal, but I really didn't need the extra stops. From there we went south on 42 to 250. On 42 just south of Harrisonburg, there is a 25 mph S-curve. That's where I found out that this wasn't another poker run. I made the mistake of staying in formation on that first curve, and got a big surprise. Ok, now I understand, these guys slow down for straights and just stay in it on the corners. I backed off a few hundred feet and rode my own ride after that. I don't know how slow I was, this was my first ride with these guys. They slowed way down in the straights so I could see them before the next set of corners, I did the same for the only bike that was behind me. We stopped again in Monterey, and then rode to Elkins for lunch. At lunch, I looked at the map and saw that there was a road that appeared to be about the same length as 33 but went through a couple of little towns and past Spruce Knob (highest point in WV at 4861 ft) I mentioned this, and a lady who said she worked for the Forest Service overheard, came over and told us how nice it was at the observation tower. Then she mentioned that the road to get up there was gravel. Now I'm hooked. I wasn't able to talk anyone else into this route, so I asked them to wait for me at Franklin for 30 minutes. I took off a few minutes ahead of everyone else after lunch. >From her description, I figured that there would perhaps be as much as 20 miles of gravel, instead there was 30. It's a well maintained road, Coming from the north, it winds along a pretty little creek, there were lots of campers, then it went up over the ridge line, the switch-backs had some erosion in them but otherwise it was in good shape. About halfway down the mountain it turned back to pavement, cool, more switchbacks, but these were paved. When I finally got to Franklin, we were down to 5 riders; now I was tail-end charlie. US33 is a really nice motorcycle road. The section of road where it crosses between WV and VA was very good road. WV knows how to put caution signs to give an indication of how tight the turn is; VA just marks everything at 25mph. The Ninja 250 could use a bit more power, sometimes I would roll on the throttle before the guy two bikes ahead of me, and still not make the pass. I couldn't tell which of the other bikes had the most power; I don't think any of them ever hit WFO. I did hear the Hawk and the TL a couple of times, but only because none of the other bikes made any noise at all. At Harrisonburg, we got back on 81 and went north to 211. By going that way, we missed a really big barn fire, but that was probably a good thing. Then we made another stop in New Market. The rider that left earlier went by but didn't see us. At Washington, VA, we took a neat little road that isn't on my map, it goes from Washington to Flint Hill, at Flint Hill the others went up 522, but I continued on 647. Everyone else caught up to me on I66 at about the Prince William County Line. It was a good day, if the others will put up with me, I'd like to do it again sometime. Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 3 21:50:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03960; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 21:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA05097 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 21:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19403 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 21:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA05326 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 21:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.70] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2630 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA00211; Fri, 03 Jul 1998 21:50:46 -0400 Message-ID: <359D434C.F5FBC572@anent.com> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 21:47:08 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friday Ride (long) References: <1.5.4.32.19980704003609.00692f34@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It would be nice for you to join us again I think that would be great. Craig Leon Begeman wrote: > It was a good day, if the others will put up with me, I'd like to do it > again sometime. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 3 22:10:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04190; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:10:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05208 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ice.clark.net (known ice.clark.net [168.143.0.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA19545 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by ice.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA22209 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:11:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA09377 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807040210.WAA09377@shell.clark.net> Subject: The other Friday Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:10:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sounds like the folks who went to WV had a great ride. Ours was a little tamer. About 15 people met at the parking lot of Cycle Sports in Springfield. I forgot to make a roll sheet, and rather than insult people by leaving them off, I won't name anyone. :-) The hardest part was getting out of the parking lot, as there are some lights that tried to break us up right away. But we managed to re-group about 3/10th of a mile later. Mike Jordan later volunteered to ride tail, since I could see his orange helmet clearly (Thanks Mike!) The first two legs of the trip were pretty tame, taking back roads to and from Rt. 50, to get out West. There was some excitement in an "S" curve with gravel in it, my front wheel did a little shake that set my heart fluttering a bit, but everyone made it through. Due to time constraints, several people had to leave by the time we hit Strasburg. Which was too bad, because this is where the fun came in. Soon after leaving Strasburg, we turned onto a side road. A few miles later, headlights started disappearing from my mirrors. After I turned around, I caught up with everyone. Found out later that one guy dropped his bike in some gravel, about 5 mph. Smashed a mirror, and had a few scrapes on his wrist, but otherwise fine. We then soon turned onto 600 - Zepp Rd. The switchbacks going up was a blast. There was only one place where there was a significant gap in trees on the side of the road, and the one guy with inner ear problems said he was able to barely handle it. Then we barreled down and around on Black Mountain Rd. A few more folks left at the next stop, and we were down to 5. We made it to Purceville with no problems. Stopped and split a large Mushroom Pizza and chatted for a while. By the time I rolled into my apartment, I had 224 miles on the odometer. A nice short ride. *Grin* If I had to do it over again, I probably would have split the group in half, as there were a lot of problems at the beginning, but after the first few turns, everyone seemed to work well. Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/~louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 VCOM | 7th Place, Capitol 1000 louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 3 22:15:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04269; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05236 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA19581 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm1-08.dial.nova.org (pm1-08.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.136]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA05556 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:14:53 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friday Ride (long) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 02:15:51 GMT Message-ID: <35b68a0f.815926702@mailgate.nova.org> References: <1.5.4.32.19980704003609.00692f34@illuminet.net> In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980704003609.00692f34@illuminet.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the ride report, Leon. This must be a fairly serious group of computer geeks as all of us but Glenn have sent messages about the ride (some just to the other riders in the group). :) I found out a few things today:=20 * remember to go slower on bumpy corners, I hit a good bump with my centerstand or something and it took the back wheel off the ground (or at least unweighted it) - scary, to say the least * leading a ride of quick guys can be stressful (particularly when combined with 2 hours of sleep the night before and insufficient liquid intake - my camelbak was sitting in the fridge at home) - I'll need to mix up rider leadership duties on the weekend trip we're planning so I don't get mentally cooked, I should point out that Glenn and Craig did lead at times as well * it's easier to ride your own ride when you're by far the fastest rider in the group, I wasn't today - I may have taken things a notch or two higher than I might have if I were the only quickish rider in the group - I need to think of this ahead of time next time and do a better job of keeping from riding faster than ought to be done on the road * it's easier to follow on a road you don't know well than it is to lead All in all it was a good group to ride with and I think everyone had a good time. Here's the bike rundown: Kirk - Hawk GT Craig - TL-S Bruce - VFR800 Tom - ZX11 Glenn - Magna 500 Leon - Ninja 250 >Kirk was nice enough to attempt to call me and let me know that the ride >today left at 7:30 AM from the rest stop at Manassas instead of 9:00. Hey, I didn't just attempt, I succeeded! >I returned home at 7:00 PM with 469 miles (Avg speed - 42.) I beat Leon's mileage... I beat Leon's mileage... I ended up with 515.89 miles. I didn't check the average speed. >On 42 just south of Harrisonburg, there is a 25 mph S-curve. =20 >That's where I found out that this wasn't another poker run. =20 >I made the mistake of staying in formation on that first curve,=20 >and got a big surprise. Ok, now I understand, these guys slow=20 >down for straights and just stay in it on the corners. I backed=20 >off a few hundred feet and rode my own ride after that. =20 That is usually my pattern (although I did break from the pattern later in the ride...). It allows a reasonably varied group to, mostly, ride together. I guess we should've given you more of a hint of what to expect... Glenn was leading at this point and the Magna 500 as a rider leader may not set off your "we're going pretty hot into this corner" light as quickly as it ought to. I'm impressed everytime I ride with Glenn. He's very quiet on the bike and it just gets around the corners without any apparent effort. Also impressive is Tom's handling of that gorilla ZX11. I'm not so sure I like the idea of either of these guys getting more tight corner oriented bikes... I may not see them on rides anymore (they'll be in front of me, out of view). >I don't know how slow I was, this was my first ride with these guys. We didn't have to wait too long. I'd say you were just fine. >I did hear the Hawk and the TL a couple of times, but only because=20 >none of the other bikes made any noise at all. Unfortunately, you heard the Hawk blowing the base gasket on the front cylinder (at least it's leaking oil from there now - gotta stop attempting to out accelerate the TL - it's a lost cause with half the horsepower). >It was a good day, if the others will put up with me, I'd like to do it >again sometime. Absolutely! Thanks again guys. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 3 23:16:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04732; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 23:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05504 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 23:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20390 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 23:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA23264 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 23:16:30 -0400 (EDT) From: adl64@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Subject: Re: The other Friday Ride Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 03:20:03 GMT Message-ID: <359f9c94.16430734@relay.mnsinc.com> References: <199807040210.WAA09377@shell.clark.net> In-Reply-To: <199807040210.WAA09377@shell.clark.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:10:28 -0400 (EDT), "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: >The hardest part was getting out of the parking lot, as there are some=20 >lights that tried to break us up right away. =20 Actually, I think the hardest part was actually finding Cycle Sport! I forgot how convoluted Springfield can be! Wish I had gotten there early enough to check out the bikes on the dealership floor... maybe next time. >There was some excitement in an "S" curve with gravel in it, my front >wheel did a little shake that set my heart fluttering a bit, but >everyone made it through. Not sure if I'm thinking of the same curve, but there was one particularly tricky one that wasn't marked with a warning sign. Definitely took me by surprise, but I got through it okay. >Found out later that one guy dropped >his bike in some gravel, about 5 mph. Smashed a mirror, and had a few >scrapes on his wrist, but otherwise fine. =20 Leslie essentially tried to use his Katana 750 as a lawn mower after sliding the rear wheel on a bit of gravel. As Louis said, minor damage to bike and rider (he was going pretty slow at the time). Kind of scary to watch, very glad it wasn't a serious fall. Humorous part - when he started up the bike a cloud of grass flew out of the fairing. >By the time I rolled into my apartment, I had 224 miles on the odometer. >A nice short ride. *Grin* =20 I think I was about 250 for the day... my bike is definitely ready for the 500 mile service now (with 740 on the odometer). I'll probably just park it until it goes into the shop. The riding position is going to take some getting used to, but overall I'm very happy with it. Almost broken in! Anyhow, thanks to Louis for leading such a nice ride! Anita '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 3 23:41:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04980; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 23:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05615 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 23:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20817 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 23:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3HBQHXVR>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 23:22:28 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C404886368@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Friday Ride (long) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 23:22:22 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) OK, I'll post! Great ride once again. All I can say and damn you guys are fast. Every time I think I'm doing well in the really tight twisties Kirk, Craig, and Tom would just leave me in the dust. Seriously though, you can handle those machines damn well. I don't know if I had a better bike if I could keep up with you guys! I was surprised how well Leon was doing on that 250! On some of those passes he was right there with me! Bruce! You shouldn't have left. You missed more great riding. While we were in New Market (at the Amoco) we saw you ride by. One thing I can say is that I have worn a whole lot more of the sides of my (rear) tire then I ever have before! If only I could get a larger tire on the rear! Thanx again all, as usual it was a fantastic ride. Lets do it again soon. Speaking of soon Craig and I will be meeting at the Leesburg Amoco @ 10:30 tomorrow for about a 4 hour ride. Pace will be brisk. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Thanks for the ride report, Leon. This must be a fairly serious group > of computer geeks as all of us but Glenn have sent messages about the > ride (some just to the other riders in the group). :) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 4 01:00:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA05796; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 01:00:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07541 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 00:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm02sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm02sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21559 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 00:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr49-dialup27.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) with SMTP id <0EVK00BGX0IU9C@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 04:59:20 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 00:57:49 -0700 From: Jon Schumer Subject: Re: Friday Ride (long) To: "'DC Cycles'" Message-id: <000e01bda721$715e3280$1b4f37a6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Man, you guys(and ladies) are killing me! Every week you all get together and thrash around the mountains, but every time I've not been able to make it, for one reason or another. I need to ride! Anyone riding Sun.? At this point, I don't care what pace(preferably fast), where, or what time. I'm riding Sun.. Anyone interested? My bike is begging me to........ ===================== Jon Schumer dawn.jon@XXXXXX ICQ# 11193913 ===================== -----Original Message----- From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN To: 'DC Cycles' Date: Friday, July 03, 1998 8:52 PM Subject: RE: Friday Ride (long) >OK, I'll post! Great ride once again. All I can say and damn you guys are >fast. Every time I think I'm doing well in the really tight twisties Kirk, >Craig, and Tom would just leave me in the dust. Seriously though, you can >handle those machines damn well. I don't know if I had a better bike if I >could keep up with you guys! I was surprised how well Leon was doing on >that 250! On some of those passes he was right there with me! > >Bruce! You shouldn't have left. You missed more great riding. While we >were in New Market (at the Amoco) we saw you ride by. > >One thing I can say is that I have worn a whole lot more of the sides of my >(rear) tire then I ever have before! If only I could get a larger tire on >the rear! > >Thanx again all, as usual it was a fantastic ride. Lets do it again soon. > >Speaking of soon Craig and I will be meeting at the Leesburg Amoco @ 10:30 >tomorrow for about a 4 hour ride. Pace will be brisk. > >Glenn Dysart >dysart@XXXXXX > >84 V30 Magna > > >> Thanks for the ride report, Leon. This must be a fairly serious group >> of computer geeks as all of us but Glenn have sent messages about the >> ride (some just to the other riders in the group). :) >> >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 4 03:35:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA06816; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 03:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA08311 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 03:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA22657 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 03:34:46 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id EYOAa11436; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 03:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1233b25e.359ddace@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 03:33:32 EDT To: louis@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The other Friday Ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 It was truly a great ride! A bit more of a challenge than my first ride with the group, but definitely a learning experience. From seeing one bike wipe out (fortunately minor damage was all that was done) to nearly wiping out myself on a tight downhill turn (I ended up just slowing and riding onto the shoulder to recover), I've learned to take on a slower pace in the turns. Besides, a 15 year old Shadow doesn't need to keep up with the youngins! :) All in all a great ride. When I got home, I found I put almost 500 miles on mine today!! I'll have to get some Poker run sheets for something in my neck of the woods! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" 85 Nighthawk 450 "Black Sheep" (still for sale!!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 4 11:24:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08348; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12117 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25693 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-112-213.s213.tnt4.ann.erols.com [207.172.112.213]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08854; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <359E484C.99FBD72A@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 11:20:44 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX CC: aki.damme@XXXXXX, dipaula@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX, knee@XXXXXX, pellaz@XXXXXX, ph@XXXXXX, swaters@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sorry to stir up trouble.(was Re: Helmet safety issue) References: <47aa945.359c7c4b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As much as I tell myself to just let this one slide, alas, I'm too young to have that wisdom yet :) It's these kind of petty battles that make groups like ABATE and the AMA lose membership and in effect, lose the ability to make a strong fight when the big issues hit. The NRA is the same way...They made such a fool of themselves arguing over a 5 day waiting period that no one takes them nearly as seriously as they used to. So now that some real nasty Clinton nazism type laws are trying to get pushed through to get rid of guns totally, the NRA just isn't the force it used to be and we may be stuck with what we get. ABATE and AMA are headed the same way. I think both organizations are very worthy and do some very good things, but sometimes you have to step back and look at the overall issues. No matter what the numbers say, Joe Public thinks helmets make motorcyclists safer. (and from a lot of time spent hitting the ground while riding/racing I agree) If the AMA and ABATE were to back off a little on this issue, then they will maintain a lot more credibility in the public's eye, and have the strenght tho fight the real battles. Nomex suit on..... Collin -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 4 13:55:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09309; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 13:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13311 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 13:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27348 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 13:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.55] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2630 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA01039 for ; Sat, 04 Jul 1998 13:55:30 -0400 Message-ID: <005f01bda774$a16d9440$3773c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Friday Ride (long) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 13:53:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I'll repost this to the list for everyones benefit: Whew! Hey everybody! Thanks alot for a great ride! I had a really good time. Rt 250 was a little overwhelming, Wow! (just when you start to think you're doing good a new challenge jumps up to smack you in the face) :) After I left the group in Franklin a bee hit and stung me on the side of the throat, VERY PAINFUL. Still -very- sore. Other than that I had a great ride home. 33-81-211-522-647-? to Atoka-611-690-7. Left home at 6:45am, got home at 6:20pm, 475.5 miles total for the day. The new Corbin is very nice, I felt like I could have ridden further. But not too much further. |) Thanks again everyone! Bruce From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 4 18:12:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10677; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 18:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15661 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 18:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29676 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 18:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.63] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2630 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA01337; Sat, 04 Jul 1998 18:12:37 -0400 Message-ID: <359E61D0.E34556A1@anent.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 18:09:36 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friday Ride (long) commentary References: <1.5.4.32.19980704003609.00692f34@illuminet.net> <35b68a0f.815926702@mailgate.nova.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirk Roy wrote: > Thanks for the ride report, Leon. This must be a fairly serious group > of computer geeks as all of us but Glenn have sent messages about the > ride (some just to the other riders in the group). :) > I like to think of it more as an alternative communications device , without having to say a word. > I found out a few things today: > * remember to go slower on bumpy corners, I hit a good bump with > my centerstand or something and it took the back wheel off the > ground (or at least unweighted it) - scary, to say the least Hummm......someone onnce told me they dont grind parts ;~) > * leading a ride of quick guys can be stressful Espically when they dont disappear from the mirror...hee hheee heeeee :~) > and insufficient liquid intake - my camelbak was sitting in the > fridge at home) Mine was in the freezer waiting for release ;~( > - I'll need to mix up rider leadership duties > on the weekend trip we're planning so I don't get mentally > cooked, I should point out that Glenn and Craig did lead at > times as well we all need to share this more on all the rides...no free rides.. a > * it's easier to ride your own ride when you're by far the > fastest rider in the group, I wasn't today Told you I was humble > - I may have > taken things a notch or two higher than I might have if I > were the only quickish rider in the group - I need to think > of this ahead of time next time and do a better job of > keeping from riding faster than ought to be done on the road Kirk I really enjoyed your pace and found it to be most comfortable and relaxing aaahhh > * it's easier to follow on a road you don't know well than it > is to lead Next time even if I dont know the road I will lead for awhile > > > All in all it was a good group to ride with and I think everyone had a > good time. GGGrrreeeaattt time cant wait for the next one > > > Here's the bike rundown: > Kirk - Hawk GT > Craig - TL-S > Bruce - VFR800 > Tom - ZX11 > Glenn - Magna 500 > Leon - Ninja 250 > > >I returned home at 7:00 PM with 469 miles (Avg speed - 42.) > > I beat Leon's mileage... I beat Leon's mileage... I ended up with > 515.89 miles. I didn't check the average speed. I too had a lot of miles 484..no avg speed > >On 42 just south of Harrisonburg, there is a 25 mph S-curve. > >That's where I found out that this wasn't another poker run. > >I made the mistake of staying in formation on that first curve, > >and got a big surprise. Ok, now I understand, these guys slow > >down for straights and just stay in it on the corners. I backed > >off a few hundred feet and rode my own ride after that. > > That is usually my pattern (although I did break from the pattern > later in the ride...). It allows a reasonably varied group to, mostly, > ride together. I guess we should've given you more of a hint of what > to expect... Glenn was leading at this point and the Magna 500 as a > rider leader may not set off your "we're going pretty hot into this > corner" light as quickly as it ought to. I'm impressed everytime I > ride with Glenn. He's very quiet on the bike and it just gets around > the corners without any apparent effort. Also impressive is Tom's > handling of that gorilla ZX11. I'm not so sure I like the idea of > either of these guys getting more tight corner oriented bikes... I may > not see them on rides anymore (they'll be in front of me, out of > view). > I dont know about that Kirk , you are one FAST , Cool , Smooth character. > >I don't know how slow I was, this was my first ride with these guys. > > We didn't have to wait too long. I'd say you were just fine. > Just fine indeed..worth having on more of these thats for sure , espically now since he knows how we ride......~-~--fast~~~~~ > >I did hear the Hawk and the TL a couple of times, but only because > >none of the other bikes made any noise at all. > > Unfortunately, you heard the Hawk blowing the base gasket on the front > cylinder (at least it's leaking oil from there now - gotta stop > attempting to out accelerate the TL - it's a lost cause with half the > horsepower). > Good thing I didn't gag it huh > >It was a good day, if the others will put up with me, I'd like to do it > >again sometime. > > Absolutely! > Please feel welcome anytime I enjoyed your company Leon > Thanks again guys. > > Kirk No, thank you Kirk for putting up with my headlight Tom for his discretion Glenn for his overall knowledge of "ALL" the roads Bruce for his wisdom And Leon for his creativity Had the most fun on this ride than any other I have been on all Year Thanks again guys. Craig From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 4 23:06:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12040; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 23:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18411 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 23:06:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (known out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA01806 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 23:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sergiom (slip166-72-74-107.dc.us.ibm.net [166.72.74.107]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA38184 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 03:06:14 GMT Message-ID: <359EEE38.39D7@ibm.net> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 23:08:40 -0400 From: Sergio G Meresman X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: subscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subscribe I am interested in subscribing your list for buying and selling motorbikes. Thanks From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 5 00:50:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA12827; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20092 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA02620 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA07532; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:46:34 -0400 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:44:27 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: My First Wheelie!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F27FA@MSCEX> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > ANY bike can wheelie..just some more graceful than others. he he he Anyone else see that issue of _SuperBike_ when the tester wheelied a Beemer K1100T?A full-dress tourer doing the unicycle thing. Scary. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 5 00:58:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA12848; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20137 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA02666 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA07558; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:55:02 -0400 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:47:42 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Clinton Cycles.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DC9@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I can't speak about the mechanics on the Clinton side,but I'm not too impressed with the guys from the Harley side.And the salesmen on both sides are hosers.They seem to have a knack for finding ultra-clean/ultra-low mileage bikes,but then they want premium prices for them.They had an '82 FT Ascot w/only 850miles on it,but they wanted $3.5k!Did you see the '87 VFR they got there now?Totally restored and only like 1.1k miles.But no way would I drop $4.9k on it. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 5 01:04:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA12876; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 01:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA20254 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 01:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA02737 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 01:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA21029; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 01:02:43 -0400 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 01:02:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: sbeck@XXXXXX cc: cfagan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Lightning or Ya gotta be careful in this weather In-Reply-To: <85256632.00675397.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For my part, I miss both her point of view and her wit. This list is the worse for her absence. --garcia On Mon, 29 Jun 1998 sbeck@XXXXXX wrote: > > Too bad Squeeker ain't still lurking around......She'd probably try to > claim that the helmet attracted the lightning... > > >From what I remember of her posts, it seemed like she was probably already > a victim of several lightning strikes. She didn't seem to have a lot of > "still functional" grey matter under her horns. 8-) > > Steve > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 5 01:06:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA12907; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 01:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA20280 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 01:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA02760 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 01:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA07788; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 01:02:18 -0400 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:55:15 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: VA Beach trip and Harley pilot's To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <01BDA5FE.E8580240.zellto@mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, Thomas W.Zell wrote: (snip) > But not the Harley dudes... I > could just about be yelling at them and they still ignore me... Why? Why do you care about people waving back?Big deal.I've had lots of people on different machines not wave.There's also people I walk past every day on the way home from work that don't say 'good morning'.No skin off my nose. > Can > any Harley folks out there please explain this to me? You prolly weren't doing the wave right.I could show you the proper way,but then you'd either have to get a Harley,or I'd have to kill you. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 5 05:37:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA13890; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 05:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA21322 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 05:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA04490 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 05:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA08554; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 05:34:06 -0400 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 05:31:17 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Lightning or Ya gotta be careful in this weather To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 5 Jul 1998, Garcia Oliver wrote: > For my part, I miss both her point of view and her wit. This list is the > worse for her absence. Plate of shrimp.I just talked to her over e-mail last week.Told her she needs to come back to the list and teach the new girls how to keep us menfolk in line. ;-) You should drop her a line and tell her she's missed. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 5 05:42:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA13913; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 05:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA21360 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 05:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA04523 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 05:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA08574; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 05:38:46 -0400 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 05:34:27 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Two Sides? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey all, I don't get around to seeing as many races as I'd like,but I just got done watching the World Superbike at Nurbering.I noticed the RC45's were wearing two-sided swingarms.When/why did they get rid of the mono 'arms? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 5 07:27:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA14102; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 07:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA21762 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 07:27:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04992 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 07:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm1-14.dial.nova.org (pm1-14.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.142]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id HAA20063 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 07:27:22 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Two Sides? Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 11:28:47 GMT Message-ID: <35a762e1.936986503@mailgate.nova.org> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 5 Jul 1998 05:34:27 +45722824 (EDT), "Gil M. Nissley" wrote: > I don't get around to seeing as many races as I'd like,but I >just got done watching the World Superbike at Nurbering.I noticed >the RC45's were wearing two-sided swingarms.When/why did they get >rid of the mono 'arms? This is purely conjecture but I would bet it was to lose some weight. I haven't been alert enough when watching the races to notice things like that... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 5 10:38:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14632; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 10:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22198 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 10:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05885 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 10:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr17-dialup52.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0EVM0029MM08ZM@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 14:38:34 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 10:35:50 -0700 From: Dawn & Jon Subject: Re: Two Sides? To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <002201bda83b$5b555de0$344737a6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 I think they converted from the single sided swing arm near the end of last years season. I think they did it because the single wasn't stiff enough for the amount of weight it had. They also put the exhausts pipes on both sides instead of stacked on top of one another on one side for added ground clearance. I don't see why they changed anything. John Kosinski won the championship last year.........but who am I to question it...... ================================== Jon Schumer dawn.jon@XXXXXX ICQ#11193913 ================================== -----Original Message----- From: Gil M. Nissley To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sunday, July 05, 1998 2:52 AM Subject: Two Sides? > Hey all, > I don't get around to seeing as many races as I'd like,but I >just got done watching the World Superbike at Nurbering.I noticed >the RC45's were wearing two-sided swingarms.When/why did they get >rid of the mono 'arms? > > >The official BuellBoy Genes model. > >gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> > >'98 Fat Boy > >Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 5 10:59:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14722; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 10:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22274 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 10:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06083 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 10:59:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p14dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.46]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA01570; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 10:58:56 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01bda825$82b50680$2ef31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Craig" , "Kirk Roy" Cc: Subject: Re: Friday Ride (long) commentary Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 10:59:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 -----Original Message----- From: Craig To: Kirk Roy Cc: Date: Saturday, July 04, 1998 6:16 PM Subject: Re: Friday Ride (long) commentary > No, thank you Kirk for putting up with my headlight >Tom for his discretion >Glenn for his overall knowledge of "ALL" the roads >Bruce for his wisdom >And Leon for his creativity > >Had the most fun on this ride than any other I have been on all Year >Thanks again guys. >Craig Definitely a great ride which needs to be repeated soon....hopefully I'll be ready: stepped in a hole while moving yesterday and badly sprained my left ankle. I can barely walk right now but will give it some rest this week and hope for enough mobility for a Saturday AM departure from the usual spot. -- Tom Gimer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 5 12:09:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15093; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 12:09:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22501 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 12:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06635 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 12:08:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net (user36.anent.com [208.195.115.36]) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2630 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA00000; Sun, 05 Jul 1998 11:48:01 -0400 Message-ID: <004001bda82c$07e4bb60$2473c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" , "Thomas H. Gimer" Subject: Re: Friday Ride (long) commentary Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 11:43:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >>Had the most fun on this ride than any other I have been on all Year >>Thanks again guys. >>Craig I must agree!! > >Definitely a great ride which needs to be repeated soon....hopefully I'll be >ready: stepped in a hole while moving yesterday and badly sprained my left >ankle. I can barely walk right now but will give it some rest this week and >hope for enough mobility for a Saturday AM departure from the usual spot. Damn, that's painful! :( I've done both my ankles at one time or another. Take your time to heal or it will be easier to sprain again. Been there, done that! Bruce (2 weak ankles) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 5 18:36:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA17026; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA26562 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10215 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:34:55 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id FVDEa20768; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2b9d222f.359fff2a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:33:13 EDT To: gnissley@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Clinton Cycles.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 They called about my 85 Nighthawk. They said that is it was in immaculate condition they would give me $900.00 for it!! The bike is worth $1155 in excellent condition according to N.A.D.A!! And they were probably going to try to sell it for $2k or there abouts! Like I said, I used to deal with them, and I was impressed with the mechanics a few years ago. If they're bad now, then things have changed for the worse since I last saw them. They've changed ownership and location a couple times now, so I understand. Bummer. A shame to see a good business go down the crapper. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 85 Nighthawk 450 (still for sale!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 5 19:11:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17174; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26853 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10490 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-112-213.s213.tnt4.ann.erols.com [207.172.112.213]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA28646; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A00751.5EA9D8C@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 19:08:01 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Thomas H. Gimer" CC: Craig , Kirk Roy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: next weekend was Re: Friday Ride (long) commentary References: <001f01bda825$82b50680$2ef31bce@richard> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know a lot of you folks enjoy the riding so much as to never slow down and spectate ;-), but let me be the first to remind everyone that next weekend is a CCS weekend out at Summit Point. I've got all the bodywork on the racebike and a WER steering damper mounted, so I should be ready to blast around the track for my three races. Anyone out there look for me on the gold/brown 97 GSXR (96 bodywork) competition number 210. Feel free to stop in the pit and enjoy a cold drink and plenty of BS :) Collin Thomas H. Gimer wrote: > I can barely walk right now but will give it some rest this week and > hope for enough mobility for a Saturday AM departure from the usual spot. > > -- > Tom Gimer -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 5 19:22:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17238; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26915 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10584 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA13054 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A03539.2789@mnsinc.com> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 19:23:53 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Tues/Wed Ride ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gang, Anyone up for it? I have the week off and both days look promising, albeit a tad warm. On Saturday I'm going to Summit Point to watch Brain and Collin (you guys'll be there, right?), so the West Side Gang Double Yellow Mofo will have to wait until the following weekend. JK -- John Kozyn "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 5 19:32:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17289; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26996 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10683 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:31:24 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WTGVa26052 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1328a963.35a00c99@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:30:32 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Tues/Wed Ride ? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 I may be up for it, what did you have in mind? Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 5 21:40:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA18965; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 21:40:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27438 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 21:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13801 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 21:39:05 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id RJMZa20768; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 21:37:59 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <186a00b7.35a02a78@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 21:37:59 EDT To: jckozyn@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, WantAZX6@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Tues/Wed Ride ? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Im off both tuesday and wednesday. I am getting my new leathers(new to me) on tuessday and would love to get them on and try em out. not if its gonna be too hot though. Anyway, Im in the annapolis area, so let me know, and I'll try to make it. Sean 98 TL-R From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 5 23:09:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19533; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA27931 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14750 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA11387; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:05:00 -0400 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:01:41 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Two Sides? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35a762e1.936986503@mailgate.nova.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 5 Jul 1998, Kirk Roy wrote: > This is purely conjecture but I would bet it was to lose some weight. > I haven't been alert enough when watching the races to notice things > like that... I noticed cause that's how I identifiy the bikes.I used to know all the teams by color,but now I go by things like placement of the air intakes and mufflers. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 5 23:18:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19565; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA27969 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:17:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14830 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA11428; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:13:54 -0400 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:05:57 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Tues/Wed Ride ? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35A03539.2789@mnsinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 5 Jul 1998, John C. Kozyn wrote: > Anyone up for it? I have the week off and both days look promising, I work both jobs on Tues,but I should be able to make Wed.I just got my gel pad and would love to try it out. Hopefully the weather will be good.Looks like a chance of T-storms from Tues on.FYI everyone,if you want to keep tabs on the weather,book- mark the URL http://www.weather.com/weather/us/cities/DC_Washington.html. It's the Weather Channel's page for the DC area.Gives a five-day forcast plus has doppeler weather maps. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 5 23:24:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19593; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28010 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14886 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:23:14 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WETWa11469 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:20:53 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <76e14502.35a04296@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:20:53 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Tues/Wed Ride ? , Sean! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-07-05 21:37:59 EDT, you write: << Im off both tuesday and wednesday. I am getting my new leathers(new to me) on tuessday and would love to get them on and try em out. not if its gonna be too hot though. Anyway, Im in the annapolis area, so let me know, and I'll try to make it. >> Please come because Im dying to see a TLR run. Maybe we can run my S next to your R and see where the power diffs are? Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 01:22:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA20967; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA29633 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA16117 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:21:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA24212; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:15:45 -0400 Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:15:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: NJitzul@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Clinton Cycles.. In-Reply-To: <2b9d222f.359fff2a@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ok, take a deep breath.... If the Blue Book value of this bike is $1155, that is its full retail value. I doubt that they can pay the rent and staff if they buy at Blue Book. What do you think they should pay for it? But that brings up another possibility: have you considered having them sell it for you on consignment? --garcia On Sun, 5 Jul 1998 NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > They called about my 85 Nighthawk. They said that is it was in immaculate > condition they would give me $900.00 for it!! The bike is worth $1155 in > excellent condition according to N.A.D.A!! And they were probably going to try > to sell it for $2k or there abouts! Like I said, I used to deal with them, and > I was impressed with the mechanics a few years ago. If they're bad now, then > things have changed for the worse since I last saw them. They've changed > ownership and location a couple times now, so I understand. Bummer. A shame to > see a good business go down the crapper. > > Robert VanSlyke > 83 Shadow 750 > 85 Nighthawk 450 (still for sale!) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 01:50:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA21067; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA29742 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (known imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA16377 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:49:40 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id GFBQa08111; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:48:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3986a0ef.35a0651e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:48:12 EDT To: garicao@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: selling my bike (was RE: Clinton Cycles) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 I'm asking $1,000 and expecting somewhere around $850-900. I've had 2 dealers (Twigg Cycles and Dutrow's Honda) tell me to ask $1,400 and expect around $1,000. Nobody called when I was asking for $1,400. I've gotten a few interested calls when I lowered the asking price to $1,000. I paid $1150 for it 5 years ago. It was in slightly better shape then (the tank rusted out 2 winters ago and I replaced it with a used one that doesn't match the paint, but had it sealed so it wouldn't rust). The max value given in the book was $1155 with the average around $990. I'm just trying to get the bike sold. I've put some money into and hate to take too big a loss and it still has low miles (around 16,000). It would cost me around $300+ to bring the bike up to immaculate condition. It's no showroom beauty, but it runs very well. Am I asking too much? What do you think I should do? And finally, how does consignment work? Thanks in advance! Robert "never sold a bike before" VanSlyke From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 04:42:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA22179; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 04:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA01090 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 04:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA18094 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 04:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA13488; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 04:38:05 -0400 Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 04:26:33 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: selling my bike (was RE: Clinton Cycles) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3986a0ef.35a0651e@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Jul 1998 NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > I paid $1150 for > it 5 years ago. It was in slightly better shape then (the tank rusted out 2 > winters ago and I replaced it with a used one that doesn't match the paint, > but had it sealed so it wouldn't rust). The max value given in the book was > $1155 with the average around $990. I'm just trying to get the bike sold. I've > put some money into and hate to take too big a loss and it still has low miles > (around 16,000). > It's no showroom beauty, but it runs very well. Am I > asking too much? What do you think I should do? I think you should take what you can get for it.If you get $850 you're losing what,$300(cost of repairs don't count)?That's not a bad loss. I paid $13k for my S2 and got $9k trade-in for it a year later.Count yourself lucky. > And finally, how does > consignment work? Thanks in advance! The dealer puts your bike on their showroom floor and sells it for you.Then they get a cut when it sells. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 07:07:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA22707; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 07:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02084 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 07:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA19065 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 07:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3MJYXY6H>; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 07:04:39 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C40488636D@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Gil M. Nissley'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Weather, was Tues/Wed Ride ? Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 07:04:29 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) I've used that site before but find its never accurate. I know the weather forecasters usually suck around here but that one is never right. I've had much better luck using Channel 4's page (http://wxnet4.nbc4.com/home.html). Also there is a link there to Intellicast radar of the area as far west as OH and KY, south as far as SC, and north to southern NY (http://www.intellicast.com/weather/dca/radar/). I usually check this before going on a long ride. Its by far the clearest I've seen on the net. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Hopefully the weather will be good.Looks like a chance of T-storms > from Tues on.FYI everyone,if you want to keep tabs on the weather,book- > mark the URL http://www.weather.com/weather/us/cities/DC_Washington.html. > It's the Weather Channel's page for the DC area.Gives a five-day forcast > plus has doppeler weather maps. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 08:07:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23113; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 08:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02932 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 08:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19636 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 08:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807061207.IAA19636@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ADE7F10176; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 08:07:03 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 07:59:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Sorry to stir up trouble.(was Re: Helmet safety issue) In-Reply-To: <359E484C.99FBD72A@geocities.com> References: <47aa945.359c7c4b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:20 AM 7/4/98 -0400, Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: >It's these kind of petty battles that make groups like ABATE and the AMA >lose membership and in effect, lose the ability to make a strong fight >when the big issues hit. ... >No matter what the numbers say, Joe Public thinks helmets make >motorcyclists safer. (and from a lot of time spent hitting the ground >while riding/racing I agree) If the AMA and ABATE were to back off a >little on this issue, then they will maintain a lot more credibility in >the public's eye, and have the strenght tho fight the real battles. > >Nomex suit on..... I think you're right, and I also think there's no good answer but to continue to duke it out. I know motorcyclists who think it's crazy to ride without a helmet. I know car drivers who think it's crazy to ride at all. So who's right? If helmet-less is too much risk for some, and car-less is too much risk for others, where do you draw the line? The only reasonable answer, I think, is for the individual to make his/her own choice, preferably an educated choice. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 09:38:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24219; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05280 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (known usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21284 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:29:41 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 06 Jul 1998 09:23:02 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 06 Jul 1998 09:23:02 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 008E035A0CFB6051-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 008E035A0CFB6051 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <008E035A0CFB6051*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 06 Jul 1998 09:23:02 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: "garicao@XXXXXX" (IPM Return requested), "NJitzul@XXXXXX" (IPM Return requested) cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" (IPM Return requested) Subject: RE: selling my bike (was RE: Clinton Cycles) Message-Id: <008E035A0CFB6051*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> You said: > They called about my 85 Nighthawk. They said that is it was in immaculate > condition they would give me $900.00 for it!! Why not just take it there and drop it off. You get the cash without the hassles of people calling up asking questions and then no-showing when they are supposed to come look at it. Plus selling it for that price isn't a loss, its a gain of $900, right now you have $0. ---------- From: NJitzul@XXXXXX[SMTP:NJitzul@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 06, 1998 2:06 AM To: garicao@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: selling my bike (was RE: Clinton Cycles) I'm asking $1,000 and expecting somewhere around $850-900. I've had 2 dealers (Twigg Cycles and Dutrow's Honda) tell me to ask $1,400 and expect around $1,000. Nobody called when I was asking for $1,400. I've gotten a few interested calls when I lowered the asking price to $1,000. I paid $1150 for it 5 years ago. It was in slightly better shape then (the tank rusted out 2 winters ago and I replaced it with a used one that doesn't match the paint, but had it sealed so it wouldn't rust). The max value given in the book was $1155 with the average around $990. I'm just trying to get the bike sold. I've put some money into and hate to take too big a loss and it still has low miles (around 16,000). It would cost me around $300+ to bring the bike up to immaculate condition. It's no showroom beauty, but it runs very well. Am I asking too much? What do you think I should do? And finally, how does consignment work? Thanks in advance! Robert "never sold a bike before" VanSlyke From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 09:44:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24320; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05364 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:44:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21430 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:44:39 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DDC@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: My VFR.. Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:42:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Heh.. I musta been long overdue for a good streetbike.. since I got my VFR running last Wed. I've put over 1,300 miles on it - not nearly as impressive as the ironbutters who are doing just shy of that in a day.. but considering that I've been out of the saddle (really, the XT doesn't count!) since Feb. - and I just took a weekend trip to upstate NY - I'd consider myself sitting pretty. I must say though, that VFR is deadly comfortable with the Corbin on it.. my butt never even flinched.. throttle wrist hurts a bit (did 400+ miles with pillion), and the tip of my middle finger on my left hand is numb (I think I pinched a nerve while riding the clutch in heavy traffic yesterday) - I'm ready to go another 500 miles today... Course, I have to work.. so I can't.. Such a step up from my little 500 to this 700.. this thing EASILY hauls me and a 150lb person around (at well over the speed limit I might add) and in comfort. All the raves and positive reviews about the VFR are spot on IMHO - and I'm only on a first generation VFR. Anyway.. there were NO cops on the roads when or where I was.. probably a good thing, because everytime I checked speed, I was somewhere between 90 and 110 (that Kph for the cops out there! ;) ) trip to NYC from here was about 3 hours - and I was even milking about 200 miles out of the 5 gallon tank.. it runs at just past 7k at those speeds.. redline is 11.5K. If it weren't for the CCS races this weekend, I'd recommend a LONG roadtrip this weekend.. maybe next. I need to try and round off my tires a little bit.. all this highway junk's making them flat in the middle... Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 09:54:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24478; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05486 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21618 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 341; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:53:58 -0400 Message-ID: <35A0D707.9E1C3E3D@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 09:54:15 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: next weekend was Re: Friday Ride (long) commentary References: <001f01bda825$82b50680$2ef31bce@richard> <35A00751.5EA9D8C@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I might be able to make it. First time at Summit Point, so I'm thoroughly excited! Knowing some of the racers is just gonna add to the excitement, for sure! Racing Newbie Question: So what does CCS stand for? Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > > but let me be the first to remind everyone that next > weekend is a CCS weekend out at Summit Point. > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 09:57:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24515; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05523 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:57:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21685 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA05071 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:57:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: ATTN: Tom Gimer Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dale Coyner's selling his aerostich, a 48L, red/black. www.his.com/dale/garagesale Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 09:59:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24542; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05556 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:59:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21746 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA11496; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3L6BA05B>; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:00:19 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F2838@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Dale Horstman'" , "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: next weekend was Re: Friday Ride (long) commentary Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:00:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain CCS=Championship Cup Series Bring the camping gear and head out Friday night!! Great fun for the kiddos too! > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, July 06, 1998 9:56 AM > To: Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: next weekend was Re: Friday Ride (long) commentary > > > Racing Newbie Question: So what does CCS stand for? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 10:16:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24828; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06187 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22268 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 329; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:15:44 -0400 Message-ID: <35A0DC19.C75CE751@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 10:15:53 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: next weekend was Re: Friday Ride (long) commentary References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F2838@MSCEX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's the plan, for me at least. Wife and kids will probably be out Saturday night for camping and the races on Sunday, too. Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > > CCS=Championship Cup Series > > Bring the camping gear and head out Friday night!! Great fun for the kiddos > too! > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, July 06, 1998 9:56 AM > > To: Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: next weekend was Re: Friday Ride (long) commentary > > > > > > Racing Newbie Question: So what does CCS stand for? > > -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 10:17:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24899; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:17:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06221 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22367 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:16:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:17:20 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DE0@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: More on MC racing.. Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:15:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ok, for all you people who are to prissy to spend some of your time at a local track with local riders (ahem), why not look at joining us at Summit Point on August 1 - it's the WERA national endurance races.. yes, these are race temans that travel across the US.. often televised, and very top notch (for the most part). You may have heard of some of the teams - like Arclight, Army of Darkness (from right here in DC), and.. well, I forget.. brain fade from the weekend.. It really is a lot of fun.. and if you only want to say 'there, I went.. ya happy now' - do it with that weekend.. I'll be working corners and doing my normal; officiating stuff.. drop by and say hi then.. As for this weekend.. be there, see Collin win money, and me wobble my way round the track (if I can find some leathers.. anyone got a size US46 1 piece or 2 piece that zips all the way round the waist they'll let me borrow?).. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 10:22:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24930; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06376 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22483 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA05540 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:22:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: More on MC racing.. In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DE0@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > Ok, for all you people who are to prissy to spend some of your time at a > local track with local riders (ahem) That makes me prissy? While I'll admit that the lace I've added to my aerostich might be a touch prissy I disagree with you on the other point... I may actually have to be at Summit this weekend. I'm supposed to pick up another motor from someone. I'll be there if I have the cash for the motor. I'm not sure how long I'll stick around as I'd like to actually put the motor in my bike after I pick it up... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 10:25:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24965; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06420 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.va.chesapeake-systems.com (known machine01.intelx.com [209.117.191.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22562 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:25:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by server.va.chesapeake-systems.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BDA8C8.5F57FF50@XXXXXX>; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:25:18 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/03/98 Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:25:17 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Motorcycle online suggests that instead of waving, everyone should flip the bird. See their modest proposal. It puts a humorous spin on waving http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcdaily98/day0703.html >-----Original Message----- > >On my trip's back and forth between VA Beach, Nags Head, Hatteras, and >home >I came across many, many, many motorcyclists. Also came across a great >deal of assholes on Harley's(and a few Gold Winger's). Now I'll give >the >Gold Winger's the benefit of the doubt(they were probably too busy >chatting >on the radio to pay attention), but why do Harley pilot's insist on >ignoring people on other brands of bikes(I read the list of reasons >already...)? Is it just too difficult for them to raise their hand for >just a second to acknowledge me? Here I am.... cruising down the >strip... >all kinds of people on sportbikes, cruisers(non-Harley), and standards >are >acknowledging me either by a wave or a nod. But not the Harley >dudes... I >could just about be yelling at them and they still ignore me... Why? >Can >any Harley folks out there please explain this to me? It's quite >annoying..... and makes you all look like a bunch of stuck up >assholes(no >offence meant here). The ones that didn't wave on the retuen trip home >today got the"bird"instead. I hate having to drop to that kind of >level.... > >-Tom >'86 VFR750r > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 10:37:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25081; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06604 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22869 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:37:18 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WBHGa02268 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4d7cc3a7.35a0e0ca@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:35:53 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: the new bike & the big ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Hello, I'll be un-subscribing in the next day or two because I'm about to leave on a trip. Last Wednesday I bought a BMW R80G/S, which replaces the one that went to GS heaven in 1995. Joyous rapture! I know they aren't everyone's cup of tea, but it is my favorite model bike, and I've been looking for one for three years now - a long search. I already had two bikes, one of which I wasn't using and would have sold a while ago if I wasn't so lazy. Now they really both have to go (I need the garage space and the money). In a moment of extreme impulsivity, I asked a friend in New York if she was interested in a one-way bike ride to San Francisco. She said what any normal irresponsible person would say - "hell, yes." So Friday morning, we're heading west. We'll leave both the bikes there on consignment at the shop where I used to work. Eventually, we'll fly back. We have no route plan. When we leave, we'll be heading to Mid-Ohio, but I have no idea which way we'll go from there. If any other listers are heading out that way, send me a note, and maybe we can hook up. Colleen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 10:46:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25170; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07106 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23094 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A337AB05FA; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 10:46:15 EDT Message-Id: X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 10:40:52 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/03/98 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:25 AM 7/6/98 -0400, Jay St. Peter wrote: >Motorcycle online suggests that instead of waving, everyone should flip >the bird. See their modest proposal. It puts a humorous spin on >waving http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcdaily98/day0703.html I heard a story of a Harley rider riding his bike to Daytona. Every time he passed a truck or trailer carrying Harleys, he'd give 'em the finger. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 12:16:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26724; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08907 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25329 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA01545 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:14:03 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:14:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/03/98 Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:15:05 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >I heard a story of a Harley rider riding his bike to Daytona. Every time >he passed a truck or trailer carrying Harleys, he'd give 'em the finger. Sounds reasonable to me I can understand the guys coming out of Minnesota and the guys with the hardtail choppers - I'll cut them slack for trailering a scooter. But when I came out of my motel roon heading back, there were two H-D Tour Glide Ultra Classics - one in the back of a pickup and the other on a trailer attached to the pickup. All sporting Virginia tags. Why bother? Michael (I ride mine) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 12:41:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27175; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09192 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26213 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA7249 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:33:57 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 12:38:57 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 12:41:26 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/03/98 -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Those guys oughta be ashamed. About ten years ago when I was doing stuff for The Company, I talked to Louie Netz (works with Willie G in styling) after Daytona. He and a couple other guys rode from Milwaukee and back, braving temps in the thirties. This guy could have had any Harley he wanted just "show up" for him in Daytona, courtesy of the factory semis. But he rode, just to do it. And then he wouldn't let us write about it; he didn't want to be too "out front" in the advertising. Pretty cool. Joe '85 Ninja 900 >>> "Jordan, Michael" - 7/6/98 12:15 PM >>> >I heard a story of a Harley rider riding his bike to Daytona. Every time >he passed a truck or trailer carrying Harleys, he'd give 'em the finger. Sounds reasonable to me I can understand the guys coming out of Minnesota and the guys with the hardtail choppers - I'll cut them slack for trailering a scooter. But when I came out of my motel roon heading back, there were two H-D Tour Glide Ultra Classics - one in the back of a pickup and the other on a trailer attached to the pickup. All sporting Virginia tags. Why bother? Michael (I ride mine) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 13:01:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27507; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09519 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1c.yahoomail.com (known send1c.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26828 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980706170330.27999.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send1c; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 10:03:30 PDT Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:03:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Johnston Subject: For Sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 85' Honda Rebel 250 Excellent condition , very clean Low milage 3,600...for real second owner real nice bike for first timer or small person no mechanical problems I am aware of need to sell , not being used due to having other bike Its my neighbor's (not mine) $1200 or maybe best offer. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 13:53:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28365; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10651 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:52:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dclink.com (known dclink.com [207.168.31.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29084 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:52:47 -0400 (EDT) From: jaynik@XXXXXX Received: from MHS by dclink.com with MHS id ANDBAMGD ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:49:24 -0500 Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:49:12 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: CBR 900RR For Sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX My buddy has a mint 96 RR with two bros oval can and system, stage 1 jetting with 1800 miles. He's looking to get out of that and into something cheaper. He wants to get $7500 for his bike. Do you have an interest or know of anyone interested in it? It's mint. I've seen and ridden it and it's a beauty. He's got two helmets and there's a magnetic tank bra on it. It's the solid red one. It's never seen rain and was obviously rarely ridden. It's located in Southern Maryland. Let me know if you wanna peek. Jay to: INT:balt-cycles@XXXXXX cc: INT:dc-cycles@XXXXXX INT:exup-brotherhood@XXXXXX INT:fzr-400@XXXXXX **********************************************************/ /* Jaynik */ /* jaynik@XXXXXX */ /* */ /* Sent from Capital City Cyberlink */ /**********************************************************/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 14:30:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29172; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13199 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00633 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:30:16 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id OAA17199 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:29:33 -0400 Message-Id: <199807061829.OAA17199@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:29:33 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:29:33 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:29:33 -0400 Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:26:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Clinton Cycles.. To: garicao@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, NJitzul@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ...actually blue book value is used by the dealers to determine what they can gouge you for on a trade in..it doesn't have ANYTHING to do with what a bike will realistically sell for. It's also used by the insurance and loan agencies to determine what the published value of the bike is. Additionally, tax collection agencies also use it for tax collection purposes. MCN's website (www.mcnews.com/articles/honda.htm) lists the '85 450 Nighthawk at $1,155. I know from previous experience, that the dealers almost ALWAYS sell the bikes at above the blue book and sometimes significantly above the common retail price. MCN's prices are what the national *average* is for that bike in good to like new condition... now that summer is in full swing and the weather in the D.C. area is getting more "rider friendly", it's not suprising that dealers are looking for good/mechanically sound beginner sized bikes. I have to admit that $2k _does_ sound alittle on the high side..may $1500 is more what the local market would tolerate, however Coleman has displayed bikes that are ridiculous in price.. cheers, -aki > Ok, take a deep breath.... > > If the Blue Book value of this bike is $1155, that is its full retail > value. I doubt that they can pay the rent and staff if they buy at Blue > Book. What do you think they should pay for it? > > But that brings up another possibility: have you considered having them > sell it for you on consignment? > > --garcia > > > On Sun, 5 Jul 1998 NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > > > They called about my 85 Nighthawk. They said that is it was in immaculate > > condition they would give me $900.00 for it!! The bike is worth $1155 in > > excellent condition according to N.A.D.A!! And they were probably going to try > > > to sell it for $2k or there abouts! Like I said, I used to deal with them, and > > > I was impressed with the mechanics a few years ago. If they're bad now, then > > things have changed for the worse since I last saw them. They've changed > > ownership and location a couple times now, so I understand. Bummer. A shame to > > > see a good business go down the crapper. > > > > Robert VanSlyke > > 83 Shadow 750 > > 85 Nighthawk 450 (still for sale!) > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 15:17:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29893; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 15:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14633 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 15:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02123 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 15:17:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807061917.PAA02123@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A2CF1EF0154; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 15:17:35 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 15:01:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Man, dog, & motorcycle Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Nope, not talking about our very own Art Crow, but Uncle Milt & Murphy -- http://home.earthlink.net/~mrmilt/ Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 17:14:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02365; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16293 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ice.clark.net (known mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06157 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by ice.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA18525 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:15:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA02159 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807062114.RAA02159@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: selling my bike (was RE: Clinton Cycles) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:14:09 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <008E035A0CFB6051*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> from "Burger, Donald " " at Jul 6, 98 09:23:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text I'm a little behind on e-mail, sorry, and I lost the original message. I got 1,500 trade in on my '84 Nighthawk. Of course I was trading in on a new bike that has been sitting on their floor for a few months, so they may have been more willing to deal with me. The other place offered me $800. Louis > You said: > > > They called about my 85 Nighthawk. They said that is it was in > immaculate > > condition they would give me $900.00 for it!! > > Why not just take it there and drop it off. You get the cash without the > hassles of people calling up asking questions and then no-showing when > they are supposed to come look at it. Plus selling it for that price > isn't a loss, its a gain of $900, right now you have $0. > > ---------- > From: NJitzul@XXXXXX[SMTP:NJitzul@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, July 06, 1998 2:06 AM > To: garicao@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: selling my bike (was RE: Clinton Cycles) > > I'm asking $1,000 and expecting somewhere around $850-900. I've had 2 > dealers > (Twigg Cycles and Dutrow's Honda) tell me to ask $1,400 and expect around > $1,000. Nobody called when I was asking for $1,400. I've gotten a few > interested calls when I lowered the asking price to $1,000. I paid $1150 > for > it 5 years ago. It was in slightly better shape then (the tank rusted out > 2 > winters ago and I replaced it with a used one that doesn't match the > paint, > but had it sealed so it wouldn't rust). The max value given in the book > was > $1155 with the average around $990. I'm just trying to get the bike sold. > I've > put some money into and hate to take too big a loss and it still has low > miles > (around 16,000). It would cost me around $300+ to bring the bike up to > immaculate condition. It's no showroom beauty, but it runs very well. Am > I > asking too much? What do you think I should do? And finally, how does > consignment work? Thanks in advance! > > Robert "never sold a bike before" VanSlyke From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 18:12:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA03329; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16800 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA07912 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:18:07 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: NJitzul@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Selling your '85 Nighthawk... Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:18:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Robert - I was reading through the various messages about your bike and I think I figured out why there seems to be a bit of confusion! You said: > They called about my 85 Nighthawk. They said that is it was in > immaculate condition they would give me $900.00 for it!! I think you meant to say that *if* it was in immaculate condition, not *is*. When I first read this I thought they offered you $900 for it, and I couldn't figure out why you were unhappy. But, if you add in that you have to spend $300 to make it "immaculate" and then get $900 for it, then I understand why you didn't jump at the offer! I think it was Aki who suggested you take it to a MSF class with a "for sale" sign on it. I think that this would work really well. I would try to go around lunch time on Sunday, or maybe later in the afternoon as people are leaving. Maybe make up some info sheets to give out if someone expressed interest but wanted to "think about it." You might also post some for sale signs at any colleges in your area -- might be a student looking for some reliable, inexpensive transportation. Good luck! Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 18:39:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA03762; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA17012 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08491 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:39:04 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id SAA01126 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:38:14 -0400 Message-Id: <199807062238.SAA01126@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:38:14 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:38:14 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:38:14 -0400 Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:35:20 -0400 Subject: Selling your '85 Nighthawk... To: anita@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, NJitzul@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME twas me..I did that the other weekend but subsequently sold it through this list..however I've received a couple of interested calls about the bike from leaving it at the MSF class..if I get anymore I'll mention your bike for sale...let me know how much you want to sell it for and any other particuliars and I'll pass it onto the next person who calls.. cheers, -aki > Robert - > > I was reading through the various messages about your bike and I think I > figured out why there seems to be a bit of confusion! > > You said: > > > They called about my 85 Nighthawk. They said that is it was in > > immaculate condition they would give me $900.00 for it!! > > I think you meant to say that *if* it was in immaculate condition, not > *is*. When I first read this I thought they offered you $900 for it, > and I couldn't figure out why you were unhappy. > > But, if you add in that you have to spend $300 to make it "immaculate" > and then get $900 for it, then I understand why you didn't jump at the > offer! > > I think it was Aki who suggested you take it to a MSF class with a "for > sale" sign on it. I think that this would work really well. I would > try to go around lunch time on Sunday, or maybe later in the afternoon > as people are leaving. Maybe make up some info sheets to give out if > someone expressed interest but wanted to "think about it." You might > also post some for sale signs at any colleges in your area -- might be a > student looking for some reliable, inexpensive transportation. > > Good luck! > Anita > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 18:55:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA04509; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA17190 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09678 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:55:43 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WUTIa04160 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3c84a11b.35a1545f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:49:02 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Clinton Cycles.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-07-06 14:36:35 EDT, you write: << however Coleman has displayed bikes that are ridiculous in price.. >> Just a footnote on that statement. Coleman in Woodbridge was selling (probably still is!) a 96 CBR600 with 11,000 miles on it.......bone stock. The asking price is $6900!!! I wonder how long that bike will sit there. A brand new ZX6R aint too much more than that. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 19:16:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA04791; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 19:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17396 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 19:16:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10128 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 19:15:59 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WDOMa04160 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 19:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 19:12:17 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Craig, send those suspension settings again Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 I lost em.....want to try. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 20:19:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA05476; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA18698 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11522 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm2-09.dial.nova.org (pm2-09.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.233]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA17024 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:18:58 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 00:20:52 GMT Message-ID: <35a4659d.1068778680@mailgate.nova.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That trip that had been planned for the 4th of July weekend has been moved to the Aug 8/9 weekend (if this is a race weekend someone let me know and I'll move it to the next weekend if any racer types want to come). I have likely participants in both the sporting (Glenn and myself so far) and normal (Anita Lauro) types. While I expect to scare up a couple more sporting types I'm sure Anita would appreciate more company. Depending on the level of participation we could get a couple good groups of 4+ people with similar riding mindsets. We've got a few date/ride options. My least favorite optin is to use just 2 days. Slab it down to Princeton, WV (the base camp) on saturday, eat lunch in Princeton, and do a backroads route (including VA16) in the afternoon. On sunday, we'd take a backroads route all the way back home, basically taking all day. This would probably put us just over 500 miles per day. The other option would be to use three days taking a backroads route down on the first day, doing the VA16 route on the second day, and taking a different backroads route home on the final day. We could start on friday and end on sunday or start on saturday and end on monday. Everyone is welcome but many of these roads will not be beginner friendly (mega twisty). The sporting group will be passing on the double yellow as we approach the twisties. Pace on the straight sections will be near the speed limit (many of the roads will be marked 55mph). We'll be waiting, as necessary, after each of the sections of twisties - no one will be left behind. If you'd like to come let me know. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 20:32:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA05793; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA18809 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA12146 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA.COM (known pasha.com [207.32.107.3]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA28504 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 20:21:08 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 20:21:35 -0400 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Two Weeks, Too Fast (long) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Two Weeks, Too Fast (long) Warning: This report was edited for space and is still way long! Hello D.C. Cycles! Linda Tanner and I reentered the metropolitan area Sunday after more than two weeks out West. The final count was 19 states and I believe Linda's GPS read about 6,500 miles. We left Todd Peer out there as he has another week of vacation. Linda left for New Mexico on June 17. Todd and I left the next day. An electrical short almost grounded Todd's ST1100, but he was there at the Rosslyn Amoco at our scheduled departure time of 3pm. Leon Begeman was there as well, having taken it upon himself to sign our witness forms for the Saddle Sore 1000 and escort us out the congested I-66. Todd and I arrived at 11pm in Knoxville, Tenn., without much drama and took a four-hour nap. About 20 minutes after we shoved off, lightning lit up the darkness and we were pounded by rain for the next three hours. I could barely make out the 18-wheelers, much less the ST. The weather cleared and we cruised passed Graceland into a hot Arkansas. We took one of our few leisurely stops at Wendy's for lunch and arrived in Little Rock within the appointed 24 hours. Todd's buddy Scott (also on an ST) signed our papers and took us out to a Mexican restaurant, the first of many for us. The next day Scott took us on a few curves going over Magazine Mtn. in the Ozarks before Todd and I went back to the slab on I-40. We drove through to Elk City, Okla., just shy of Texas. We stayed at a motel and went out to the country bar next door with some truckers we met at the pool. The next day we made it through the desert to the cooler mountains around Taos, N.M. We rolled into a parking lot at the Sagebrush Inn crowded with bikes for the Honda Sport Touring Assn. rally. Linda saw us and told me I looked like shit. She and her CBR600 F3 had arrived the day before. The next three days we spent in Taos. We met a bunch of Todd's acquaintances from HSTA, and Linda's fans from the CBR list who came from Texas, California and Minnesota. Linda was impressed with the muscles of a Minnesota guy on a Fat Boy. One of the CBR listers, a local named Raven, took us on some of her favorite roads. We saw ex-racer Freddie Spencer and sampled the Triumph demo bikes. On the last day, while we packed to leave, one of the Minnesota crew crashed during a canyon sprint and broke his collar bone, which kept the Minnesota guys in Taos for another day. Linda, Todd and I rode with the California riders as far as Durango, Colo., then we turned north up the Million Dollar Highway and looped back down to Cortez. The highway was spectacular, twisting through the southern Rockies. We kept the revs high to overcome the high-altitude stumble that we first noticed before Taos. The next day we saw cliff dwellings and curves on Mesa Verde. In the following days, we went to the Grand Canyon, rode past a traffic jam at Hoover Dam with a band of Harley riders, parked the bikes for a night at Circus Circus in Las Vegas, and explored Zion, Bryce Canyon and Escalante National Parks in Utah. The soft rubber which replaced my rear tire on the Deals Gap trip was showing belt by the time of Zion. Todd and Linda escorted me into St. George, Utah, where we had some tasty pizza while the local shop replaced the tire. There we observed the height and athleticism of the Utah women, and Todd and I were impressed with their upbringing. Approaching the four-day buffer zone we needed to return, Linda and I left Todd at the mercy of the Utah women. We headed back east on I-70, taking a detour to run up and over Independence Pass in Colorado. We had a pretty good system going. We'd ride for a 600-mile day and then have a couple beers. Linda had a CB and radar detector in her bionic tank bag. She heard two truckers talking about us. One trucker said his back would break if he rode one of those things, and the other said "And look at all the shit on them!" Sorry to take up so much space, but it was a good trip. We planted our flag as far west as the Pacific time zone and claimed the territory for D.C. Cycles. Sean Sullivan CBR600 F3 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 21:24:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07070; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:24:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20723 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA14167 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA01909; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:23:57 -0400 (EDT) From: adl64@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 01:27:30 GMT Message-ID: <35a27553.268563479@relay.mnsinc.com> References: <35a4659d.1068778680@mailgate.nova.org> In-Reply-To: <35a4659d.1068778680@mailgate.nova.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 07 Jul 1998 00:20:52 GMT, kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) wrote: >That trip that had been planned for the 4th of July weekend has been >moved to the Aug 8/9 weekend (if this is a race weekend someone let me >know and I'll move it to the next weekend if any racer types want to >come). I have likely participants in both the sporting (Glenn and >myself so far) and normal (Anita Lauro) types.=20 "Normal".... that sounds so much better than slow! :-) I'm trying to talk Ursulina into going, and maybe some other more leisurely paced riders will come along, too. I'd hate to be the only one you all were waiting for after each twisty section! While I'm sure my bike could keep up, it'd have to do it with a more skilled rider on board! :-) Is this going to be a camping trip or hotel? I can't recall what you said in your original message.=20 I definitely vote for the 3 day option. Sounds good so far! Anita '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 21:32:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07222; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20800 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA14405 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:32:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.46] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA00369; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 21:32:56 -0400 Message-ID: <35A133BF.C8CE20C5@anent.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 21:29:51 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "WantAZX6@XXXXXX Jack" , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Craig, send those suspension settings again References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit O.K. here you go.......******WARNING****** these settings are for the way I like to ride .................................and may not be conducive to your style or size...... I am 5'8" and weigh 155 lbs. I am running Dunlop 207zr Front Avon Azaro av36 on the rear Somone once told me that in order to get the bike to fell comfortable and responsive the way you want it , that you should go from one extreme to the other {full tight and then to full soft}not stopping in the middle so that you get a feel for how different it is , and then make adjustments from there.I have done this and that is how I came up with these settings. 1). Make sure that you chain is adjusted correctly , with your body weight on the bike or otherwise it will be too tight. 2). Based on 36 P.S.I. air pressure front & rear 3). Adjust the Rear Spring Preload to remove all the sag from the bike un-weighted. 4). Turn the Rear Damper screw all the way to the full soft position , then turn back in 1 to 1 & 1/2 turns.{You will have to play with this one a little at a time}. { I have notes that say I ended up with this to be 3 & 1/2 turns from full tight} 5). Turn the Rear Compression screw all the way to full soft {out} , and then back in 1 to 1 & 1/ 2 turns as well. {Same thing here as a little fine tuning needs to be done}. { notes that say I ended up with this set at 2 turns from full tight} 6). Adjust the Front Spring Preload { Blue Nut } till 4 lines are showing. This is hard to describe as the bar/lines are about a 1/8 inch in thickness.Should end up with about 1/2 inch above the large silver nut. 7). Turn the Rebound which is on the top of the fork all the way too full tight , then back it out 2 turns. 8). Turn the Front compression which is on the bottom of the fork legs all the way to full tight , then back it out 2 & 1/2 turns. I hope that these help you , but every time I get a different set of tires these need minor adjustments. Maybe this will help someone else as well ,giving ideas on how to set up their bike... Enjoy and ride safe , but FAST ;~) Craig Blue TL > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 21:39:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07310; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20870 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA14522 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.46] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA00398; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 21:39:13 -0400 Message-ID: <35A13538.2B5D2056@anent.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 21:36:08 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? References: <35a4659d.1068778680@mailgate.nova.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh Geez Let me think....O.K. thats long enough Miss a ride like this Hummmm...I think not Put me down in INK...I am not only there I am salavating at the thought ;~} I can smell the rubber melting on the edges of my tires already.......Yee Hahhhhhh Craig P.S. Tom Gimer I sure hope you plan on being in my mirror.....;~) Kirk Roy wrote: > That trip that had been planned for the 4th of July weekend has been > moved to the Aug 8/9 weekend (if this is a race weekend someone let me > know and I'll move it to the next weekend if any racer types want to > come). I have likely participants in both the sporting (Glenn and > myself so far) and normal (Anita Lauro) types. While I expect to scare > up a couple more sporting types I'm sure Anita would appreciate more > company. Depending on the level of participation we could get a couple > good groups of 4+ people with similar riding mindsets. > > We've got a few date/ride options. My least favorite optin is to use > just 2 days. Slab it down to Princeton, WV (the base camp) on > saturday, eat lunch in Princeton, and do a backroads route (including > VA16) in the afternoon. On sunday, we'd take a backroads route all the > way back home, basically taking all day. This would probably put us > just over 500 miles per day. The other option would be to use three > days taking a backroads route down on the first day, doing the VA16 > route on the second day, and taking a different backroads route home > on the final day. We could start on friday and end on sunday or start > on saturday and end on monday. > > Everyone is welcome but many of these roads will not be beginner > friendly (mega twisty). > > The sporting group will be passing on the double yellow as we approach > the twisties. Pace on the straight sections will be near the speed > limit (many of the roads will be marked 55mph). We'll be waiting, as > necessary, after each of the sections of twisties - no one will be > left behind. > > If you'd like to come let me know. > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 21:46:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07379; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20936 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA14594 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.46] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA00428; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 21:46:12 -0400 Message-ID: <35A136D7.1FD51FC9@anent.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 21:43:04 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anita Lauro CC: Kirk Roy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? References: <35a4659d.1068778680@mailgate.nova.org> <35a27553.268563479@relay.mnsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anita Lauro wrote: > ). I have likely participants in both the sporting (Glenn and > >myself so far) and normal (Anita Lauro) types. > > "Normal".... that sounds so much better than slow! :-) > No one is slow its just that some are quicker than others > I'd hate to be the only > one you all were waiting for after each twisty section! Not a problem, I would hang back if no one else did > > > Is this going to be a camping trip or hotel? I can't recall what you > said in your original message. > HOTEL or should that be a run down motel > I definitely vote for the 3 day option. 3 I vote for 3 also Craig > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 22:19:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA07961; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21215 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15461 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p20dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.52]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA14911; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:18:56 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01bda94d$a8973660$34f31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Craig" , "Kirk Roy" Cc: Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:19:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 -----Original Message----- From: Craig To: Kirk Roy Cc: Date: Monday, July 06, 1998 9:43 PM Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? >Oh Geez Let me think....O.K. thats long enough Miss a ride like this >Hummmm...I think not >Put me down in INK...I am not only there I am salavating at the thought >;~} >I can smell the rubber melting on the edges of my tires already.......Yee >Hahhhhhh >Craig > P.S. Tom Gimer I sure hope you plan on being in my >mirror.....;~) If I'm not in your mirror, I'll be in front of you. ;-D Count me in! Maybe we could get Zbig out of retirement for this one as well. > >Kirk Roy wrote: > >> If you'd like to come let me know. >> The dates are not a concern....I'll make the time for a trip like this: 3 days please. -- Tom Gimer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 22:33:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08078; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21717 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15680 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.110] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA00583; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 22:33:19 -0400 Message-ID: <013201bda94f$4babc220$6e73c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" , "Sean Sullivan" Subject: Re: Two Weeks, Too Fast (long) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:31:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 > Sorry to take up so much space, but it was a good trip. We planted our flag as far west as the Pacific time zone >and claimed the territory for D.C. Cycles. > Sean Sullivan > CBR600 F3 Welcome Home Wandering Conqueror! Sounds like a wonderful experience! I'm jealous! Bruce Leesburg, VA '98 VFR800 "Tronix" '94 RF600 "For Sale" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 22:37:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08135; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21769 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:37:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15734 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from broeking (207-172-54-82.s82.tnt16.brd.erols.com [207.172.54.82]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA22144 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <009001bda94f$2ca58f00$2d75accf@broeking> Reply-To: "Bob Broeking" From: "Bob Broeking" To: Subject: Just Moved Here - Helmet law Question Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:30:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I just moved here from the St Louis area and would like to know the surrounding states' helmet laws and in DC. I would like info on VA, MD, and DC. And yes, I plan on wearing one all of the time , except for short rides on my wife's scooter around the neighborhood. I live in VA. I am planning on purchasing a Honda PC800 this week for commuting. Thanks in advance. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 22:44:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08200; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21872 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15799 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA04218; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:43:51 -0400 (EDT) From: adl64@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: Craig Cc: Kirk Roy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 02:47:24 GMT Message-ID: <35a48550.272656653@relay.mnsinc.com> References: <35a4659d.1068778680@mailgate.nova.org> <35a27553.268563479@relay.mnsinc.com> <35A136D7.1FD51FC9@anent.com> In-Reply-To: <35A136D7.1FD51FC9@anent.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 06 Jul 1998 21:43:04 +0100, Craig wrote: >> "Normal".... that sounds so much better than slow! :-) > >No one is slow its just that some are quicker than others I don't know.... "less fast" is just a little too PC for me! :-) >> I'd hate to be the only >> one you all were waiting for after each twisty section! > >Not a problem, I would hang back if no one else did That's nice of you, but I hope we get a mix of riders so everyone can ride at a pace that they enjoy! Anita '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 22:45:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08206; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:45:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21877 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15814 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.110] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA00632; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 22:45:21 -0400 Message-ID: <014301bda950$fa25c8e0$6e73c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" , "Craig" Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:42:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >Oh Geez Let me think....O.K. thats long enough Miss a ride like this >Hummmm...I think not >Put me down in INK...I am not only there I am salavating at the thought >;~} >I can smell the rubber melting on the edges of my tires already.......Yee >Hahhhhhh >Craig > P.S. Tom Gimer I sure hope you plan on being in my >mirror.....;~) Down Boy! Easy! > >Kirk Roy wrote: > >> That trip that had been planned for the 4th of July weekend has been >> moved to the Aug 8/9 weekend (if this is a race weekend someone let me >> know and I'll move it to the next weekend if any racer types want to >> come). I have likely participants in both the sporting (Glenn and >> myself so far) and normal (Anita Lauro) types. While I expect to scare >> up a couple more sporting types I'm sure Anita would appreciate more >> company. Depending on the level of participation we could get a couple >> good groups of 4+ people with similar riding mindsets. I'm in as long as there is no conflict with my laser eye surgery. I can't wait to lose these glasses! =8O I vote for 3 days w/ a Monday. I find traffic to be much calmer on Mondays than Fridays. Bruce From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 22:49:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08228; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21946 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (known f179.hotmail.com [207.82.251.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15866 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28942 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 1998 02:48:34 -0000 Message-ID: <19980707024834.28941.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.172.187.130 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 19:48:34 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.172.187.130] From: "Leslie Forewright" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Summit Point Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 19:48:34 PDT Hey guys i'm new to the list..and was interested in more info on Summit Point...i.e. where its at...directions...avail of camping areas etc....thanx in advance for the info.... P.S. for those who know me...I have already gotten my mirror fixed from my lil' accident on the ride Friday....$25 more...Thanx... Les 96 Katana 750 89 Honda NX 250 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 22:50:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08243; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21963 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15882 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id VAA20860; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:49:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA22372; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:49:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.mci.com ([166.41.111.63]) by omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980707024926.ACO839@XXXXXX>; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:49:26 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" , "CBR List" Subject: Waaaaay out West (longish) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:49:21 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bda951$d8145c20$3f6f29a6@LJTanner.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sean's already posted a ride report, but I simply have to add a few observations from the female perspective... I left on Wednesday (6/17) morning (because I'm too wussy to try a SS1k on a trip) and rode to Nashville (only 682 miles) and met up with another cbr lister (Gawain Reifsnyder). He and his wife graciously showed me the night life in Franklin TN (goin' to the Wal-Mart) and put me up for the night. Next morning Gawain (on his XX) and I left for the western regions. We went as far as Paris, AR and spent the night with very hospitable friends of his. Next day, we were off again to somewhere near Plainview TX. Because it was so far off I40, we exited the slab at Oklahoma City and started making our way west and south. The only problem was the 108 degree heat and not a single tree for 70 miles. How do the locals live with no shade and that kind of heat??? (it's okay - a rhetorical question) Got to near Plainview really late and was, again, put up by more of Gawain's hospitable friends. We had already started soaking our clothing at every stop (which became more frequent) and drinking great gobs of water. Once we left Plainview and headed north, it became a little cooler. My bike started stuttering quite a bit and my mileage really suffered. It appears that my bike has been running rich since the K&N and D&D, but, at sea level, it wasn't really noticeable. At altitude, it sucked (remember Deal's Gap?) I don't get it, but it's obviously true. We ran into some very strange little towns. One was automated. The gas station had no attendant (or the Post Office for that matter) and the machines that read credit cards were not fully operational. Gave us a little pause especially since I needed a pit stop and there didn't seem to be any facilities. We saw all sorts of interesting wildlife. A roadrunner ran across the road in front of Gawain. Once it got across the road, it flew away. Weird. A jack rabbit attempted suicide on Gawain's bike, and barely failed to succeed. Gawain and I split up at Eagle Nest pass (near Taos). Gawain went to his father's place north of Taos (to re-group later) and I attempted to find Taos. It wasn't that hard, but, of course, I got lost. Even the gps couldn't help (GPS is a fabulous toy and worthy of a posting all by itself). I took a wrong turn in downtown Taos and discovered that my bike was overheating. Downtown Taos is only a few blocks long but the traffic just doesn't move. Folks get out of their cars (still in the street) and chat with other folks on the sidewalk. People walk off the curbs without looking. Anyway, here I am in a strange town, with a bike overheating seriously and the traffic is stopped. So, I did what any red-blooded biker chick would do - I rode around all of them making apologetic noises. I rode most of the way out of town, before I decided I was lost. I've had the fan quit before and usually it's an easy fix. But not this time. I took all the baggage off the bike and had to unpack one saddlebag to get at my tools to remove the fuse cover and the fuse box, only to discover that all the fuses were fine and the fan was free spinning. Hmmmmmm. As it was getting pretty dark, I decided to find the hotel and work out the bike problems in the morning (assuming I _could_ find the hotel). The kindly attendant gave me directions to the hotel, which, of course, involved riding back through the middle of town. This time I didn't even slow down and rode around everyone. Found the hotel, got registered, got into room, ignored bike problem and was faced with a malfunctioning toilet in the room. Flush handle broken and called front desk and they said they would send plumbers toot sweet. A few minutes later, two security guards showed up with a plunger. They were rather humorous looking with their military pressed shirts, billy clubs, handcuffs and plunger. I assured them that they were improperly armed for the situation and they went off in search of correct armament. Returned just a few minutes later with a new handle, but with only a multitool to do the install. Looking rather perplexed, they attempted the job, but were failing miserably, when I sprang to the rescue. I produced my mighty channel locks and they were impressed. A biker and her tools... The next day (Sunday), I discovered that a wire had become unplugged mysteriously and once plugged back in, the fan was fine. Of course, I had to take most of the fairing off to see the problem. Later, I contacted Raven (a gracious, kindred soul) and she took me out for a run of a few of the local twisties. Heavenly - I got a chance to wear the square edges off my MEZ1/2 set (that started with 2k miles). I am humbled by the skills demonstrated. Sean and Todd arrived later that evening, looking a lot like I did the night before. Unfortunately, they missed the opening ceremony for the do. The NM State Troopers gave up the poop about the roads. They claimed that NM owns all the orange barrels in the west and thanked all the healthy looking, helmet-less riders for being generous organ donors. They also said, for the first time, that quaint saying they have. Manana does not mean tomorrow. It means not today. Boy, is that true. One of the organizers also referred to the group as the Honda Sport Trailering Association. Trailered ST1100s. Hmmmmmm. I missed the award for farthest female rider by 100 miles. The rest of the cbr contingent arrived the next day and the riding got started in earnest. We rode a lot and I stayed in the back, mostly because my bike was running so poorly, but also because everyone else was a much better rider than I. Raven, you know your stuff. Suzi, you are awesome. Chris, heal fast. I met a great bunch of folks and consider myself richer for it. By the end of the trip (backing into my parking space) my odometer registered 6996 miles while the gps only showed 6521.9. Interesting error. My tires now have 9K miles on them and are looking pretty shabby. And rejetting seems to be in my future. One interesting observation. I rode 6995.9 miles without one car or truck failing to see me. It was mostly rural riding but not all. We rode through a bunch of big towns like Denver, St. Louis, Kansas City etc and never once did I get run out of my spot. I didn't even have to honk (pitiful sound that it is) once. I get with 200 yards of my house and a Volvo station wagon comes very close to hitting me head on because he's cutting a corner that I'm trying to negotiate (and I was hugging the curb). I stopped and stared at him while he wasn't even looking where he was going. Sobering. All in all, it was a fabulous trip and I can't wait to get my pics back. Now, I just have to figure out how to wheedle some extra vacation days so I can go to the superbike races in Ohio in a few weeks. Oh yes, Corbin seats rule!! And I'm already working on the design of Bionic Tank Bag Mark II. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 23:10:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08444; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22214 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16121 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.54] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA00704; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 23:10:19 -0400 Message-ID: <35A14A93.459ACD0F@anent.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 23:07:15 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Thomas H. Gimer" CC: Kirk Roy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? References: <001f01bda94d$a8973660$34f31bce@richard> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thomas H. Gimer wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig > To: Kirk Roy > Cc: > Date: Monday, July 06, 1998 9:43 PM > Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? > > >Oh Geez Let me think....O.K. thats long enough Miss a ride like this > >Hummmm...I think not > >Put me down in INK...I am not only there I am salavating at the thought > >;~} > >I can smell the rubber melting on the edges of my tires already.......Yee > >Hahhhhhh > >Craig > > P.S. Tom Gimer I sure hope you plan on being in my > >mirror.....;~) > > If I'm not in your mirror, I'll be in front of you. ;-D Optomistic about your keith code class arent you? ;~) > Count me in! > Maybe we could get Zbig out of retirement for this one as well. > > > > >Kirk Roy wrote: > > > >> If you'd like to come let me know. > >> > > The dates are not a concern....I'll make the time for a trip like this: 3 > days please. > > -- > Tom Gimer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 23:10:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08443; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22212 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:10:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16118 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-112-63.s63.tnt4.ann.erols.com [207.172.112.63]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA20171; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A19100.D0CF9BE@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 23:07:44 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Craig CC: "WantAZX6@XXXXXX Jack" , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Craig, send those suspension settings again References: <35A133BF.C8CE20C5@anent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jack/Craig, I think if Jack tries these setings, he'll be really unhappy. He's a loot bigger than craig and I. Looking over the settings, a few comments (take in mind, my experience is with a conventional rear so I may be in left field from your split units): Rear damping looks awefully soft. You don't get any bucking wobbles on the long high speed sweepers? Rear compression looks good to match the damping. 4 lines on the front preload? That's generally right about the stock setting (at least on GSXR's and I believe RF's)...always worked pretty good for me as well in that general vicinity. Front rebound is about 1/2 turn stiffer than me, but I think the TL's riding position puts a bit more weight bias to the front so stiffer may be better. Stiffer on mine amplified the nasty GSXR tank slappers... Again, front compression is pretty well matched to the rebound. On my 93 GSXR I ran 36psi rear and 35 psi front on Dunlop 204's, and just the opposite of that on the Avon Azarro's (which in my opinion are far superior to the dunlops..You think that rear is nice Craig, wait till you get a front on there!!) That seemed to work OK on the street..maybe even a bit on the high side for the milder days. For Summit Point, where traction is NOT common, tire pressures rarely exceed 30psi except on the coldest rainiest of days... Your description of setting the bikes sag is a little off though. You want front and rear preload set so that when the rider is on in full gear, the bike sags about 24-26mm, which is around 1 1/4 inch (i said around you conversion nuts :)) This months Road Racing World has a good article on setting preload, taking into account shock stiction (takes a bit more time, but not much) Overall the settings look pretty decent. I think the absolute best way to set the suspension settings is to take your tools with you and find a nice stretch a few miles long. Run through it, think about what the bike is doing, make minor adjustments (one at a time) that you think will make things better, then run through the same exact stretch again, taking as close to the same lines as possible, compare, repeat till your happy. Always take notes, so you can revert back to better settings each if the new ones don't work out. I suspect Craig/Jack (and me) will end up with settings taht are painfully stiff for cruising/commuting speeds but that will rock at speed. A set up suspension will make you go faster long before that brutally expensive full system pipe and jet kit. Better use of that money would be a stiffer front spring and race tech gold valves (especially on Yamahoppers..not so necessary on Suzooks) and a revalve on the rear shock. All that said, my racebike's suspension is way off right now...unfortunately, I can't just take it out to my favorite back road stretch to tinker with it...I guess i'll have to make good use of the two morning practices before race time. Oh yeah, i forgot to reply to one of you guys earlier posts...Get that steering damper back on the bike Jack. I can't imagine you saying that it slows the steering down any at all (noticable anyhow) better yet, save some cash and buy a good damper. That one Suzuki mounted is JUNK (but still better than nothing)!!! What time I spent on your machine, the headshake and steering inputs were HUGE even with the damper. I highly recommend using the Hyperpro or WER steering dampers. The first is a top mount that has a very unique damping method (check out their website:www.hyperpro.com). The WER (what I just mounted on the race bike) is a rotary damper that mounts up under the triple clamps completely out of sight/mind. It has proven to be very successful on roadracing bikes so far. For milder applications, use the stock 5wt oil, for racing or Craig/Jack riding, just ask them to put in 10wt (no extra charge). Both are very adjustable, more than most. Hyperpro costs $390, WER costs $330. That's very competitive with any of the good steering dampers on the market (A Fox will run around $400 for a used one). Stay away from the cheapies...Storz is about as bottom line as I would go, and they run around $200-$250 i think.... -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 23:29:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08631; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22605 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malady.cais.net (known malady.cais.net [199.0.216.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16310 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (ppp12.net-A.dc.net [205.252.61.12]) by malady.cais.net (8.8.7/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id XAA13975 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001301bda970$49ead540$0c3dfccd@wowbager> From: "Mike B." To: Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:27:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 -----Original Message----- From: Thomas H. Gimer To: Craig ; Kirk Roy Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Monday, July 06, 1998 7:40 PM Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? >-----Original Message----- >From: Craig >To: Kirk Roy >Cc: >Date: Monday, July 06, 1998 9:43 PM >Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? > If I promise to behave, and not get in any mishaps, can I come along too ? >; - P~~~ Heh Heh Mike B. 98 ZX 9 > >>Oh Geez Let me think....O.K. thats long enough Miss a ride like this >>Hummmm...I think not >>Put me down in INK...I am not only there I am salavating at the thought >>;~} >>I can smell the rubber melting on the edges of my tires already.......Yee >>Hahhhhhh >>Craig >> P.S. Tom Gimer I sure hope you plan on being in my >>mirror.....;~) > >If I'm not in your mirror, I'll be in front of you. ;-D Count me in! >Maybe we could get Zbig out of retirement for this one as well. > >> >>Kirk Roy wrote: >> >>> If you'd like to come let me know. >>> > >The dates are not a concern....I'll make the time for a trip like this: 3 >days please. > > >-- >Tom Gimer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 23:31:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08655; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22653 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16362 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-112-63.s63.tnt4.ann.erols.com [207.172.112.63]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA29797; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A19566.EC9EB215@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 23:26:30 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Linda Tanner CC: Dc-Cycles , CBR List Subject: Re: Waaaaay out West (longish) References: <000401bda951$d8145c20$3f6f29a6@LJTanner.mci.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Awesome trip report Linda...I know you said retorical...but.... Where i grew up in Altus, OK, it hit 118 about the time you guys went through..That's hotter than I ever remember it. Worst I can remember is playing a round of golf in 114, then riding the bike home (with clubs strapped to my back). Sorry I didn't get directions to my brother's house to you guys in time...Todd and Sean stayed about 45 miles south of them... CT Linda Tanner wrote: How do the locals live with no shade and that > kind of heat??? (it's okay - a rhetorical question) -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 23:44:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08771; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:44:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23016 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16529 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.51]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 23:41:55 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Bob Broeking" , Subject: RE: Just Moved Here - Helmet law Question Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:43:05 -0400 Message-ID: <001901bda959$5936f7c0$2e80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <009001bda94f$2ca58f00$2d75accf@broeking> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Simple. Wear them all the time, everywhere. It's the law. Two exceptions: Deleware requires you to carry, but not WEAR a helmet. (Funny story in WRMT a few months back about how that came into being). Second, some nuts in Maryland keep trying to get the helmet law repealed due to the fact that our helmet law is a poorly written piece of garbage. But the last time it went to State Supreme Court, it was upheld. Basically, the law requires one to wear a helmet from a state provided list. There is no state list. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 23:54:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08870; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:54:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23124 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:54:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16615 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA17727; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:50:34 -0400 Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:46:50 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: More on MC racing.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DE0@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > Ok, for all you people who are to prissy to spend some of your time at a > local track with local riders (ahem) THHHBBBBPPPTTTT! :-P Some of us would love to go to the track,and catch all the list rides, and go on the weekend trips,but we have to work!We're a 24hr workcenter and our manning is crap.It also doesn't help if you work a second job. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 00:16:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA09571; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24230 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:16:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16932 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA17995; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:12:42 -0400 Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:57:01 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Buell Sighting To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey all, I know we've got some Arlington residents,so I'd like you'all to keep an eye out for a black Buell S1 with two people on it.On the way in to work tonight I saw it for the second time on Columbia Pike near the Wash Blvd ramps,so I figure they're local.I'd love to know what kind of seat he's got. Optionally,could you find out if the girl on the back is cute, and if she's got a sister?I have yet to find girl who'd be willing to get on the back of the POS. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 00:24:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA09699; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24370 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16983 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id AAA24619; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:22:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:22:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: NJitzul@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: selling my bike (was RE: Clinton Cycles) In-Reply-To: <3986a0ef.35a0651e@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Now I'm confused: you turned down the dealer's offer of $900 and are expecting to sell it for $850-900? Am I missing something here? Like, what's the point of doing it this way? --garcia On Mon, 6 Jul 1998 NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > I'm asking $1,000 and expecting somewhere around $850-900. I've had 2 dealers > (Twigg Cycles and Dutrow's Honda) tell me to ask $1,400 and expect around > $1,000. Nobody called when I was asking for $1,400. I've gotten a few > interested calls when I lowered the asking price to $1,000. I paid $1150 for > it 5 years ago. It was in slightly better shape then (the tank rusted out 2 > winters ago and I replaced it with a used one that doesn't match the paint, > but had it sealed so it wouldn't rust). The max value given in the book was > $1155 with the average around $990. I'm just trying to get the bike sold. I've > put some money into and hate to take too big a loss and it still has low miles > (around 16,000). It would cost me around $300+ to bring the bike up to > immaculate condition. It's no showroom beauty, but it runs very well. Am I > asking too much? What do you think I should do? And finally, how does > consignment work? Thanks in advance! > > Robert "never sold a bike before" VanSlyke > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 00:42:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA10015; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24488 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:42:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (known imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA17245 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:42:29 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id STVOa29473; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:40:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:40:41 EDT To: kirk@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 I'm interested in the trip. I vote for a 3 day trip. I'm one of the "less fast" riders. I'll definitely be in the back of the "less fast" group on the twisties. My pig (can't call a Honda a Hog!) doesn't handle corners as well as some of these much nimbler sportbikes. Found that out last Friday! But I do enjoy a good ride and nice scenery!! Plus, I need to make up for the 15 years of near inactivity my bike has seen :) In almost 3 weeks I've only put 1,400+ miles on it. That brings it up to 7,700+ miles on the odometer! Ugh!!! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 85 Nighthawk 450 (buy me, please!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 03:06:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA11370; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 03:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA25116 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 03:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA18361 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 03:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3MZRAJR9>; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:21:12 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C404886388@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Craig Johnston'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: For Sale Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:21:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Maybe I could keep up with you if it was yours! :-) Glenn > 85' Honda Rebel 250 > Excellent condition , very clean > Low milage 3,600...for real > second owner > real nice bike for first timer or small person > no mechanical problems I am aware of > need to sell , not being used due to having other bike > Its my neighbor's (not mine) > $1200 or maybe best offer. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 07:38:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA13253; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 07:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA26847 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 07:38:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA20014 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 07:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm1-06.dial.nova.org (pm1-06.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.134]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id HAA25190 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 07:38:33 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 11:40:33 GMT Message-ID: <35ba08af.1110534753@mailgate.nova.org> References: <35a4659d.1068778680@mailgate.nova.org> <35a27553.268563479@relay.mnsinc.com> In-Reply-To: <35a27553.268563479@relay.mnsinc.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow, I just posted about the trip last night and we've already got the following who want to come: Kirk Roy Craig Johnston (Johnston, right?) Anita Lauro Tom Gimer Bruce Norton Robert VanSlyke Mike B Sean Sullivan We ought to be able to have a sporty and normal group pretty easily. I'm going to need a couple someones to lead (I'll provide route details) the normal group. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 07:54:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA13372; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 07:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA26935 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 07:53:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA20134 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 07:53:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807071153.HAA20134@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AC3BDF0256; Tue, 07 Jul 1998 07:53:31 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 07:35:08 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Just Moved Here - Helmet law Question In-Reply-To: <009001bda94f$2ca58f00$2d75accf@broeking> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Helmets are required in all 3 jurisdictions. I think there may be an parade exemption (such as at the Rolling Thunder ride to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial (the Wall) - but I'm not sure. Welcome to the area. Chris Norloff At 09:30 PM 7/6/98 -0500, Bob Broeking wrote: >I just moved here from the St Louis area and would like to know the >surrounding states' helmet laws and in DC. I would like info on VA, MD, and >DC. And yes, I plan on wearing one all of the time , except for short rides >on my wife's scooter around the neighborhood. I live in VA. I am planning >on purchasing a Honda PC800 this week for commuting. Thanks in advance. >Bob > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 08:45:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13823; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 08:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27205 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 08:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (known usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20613 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 08:45:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Tue, 7 Jul 1998 08:33:48 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 07 Jul 1998 08:33:47 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 07 Jul 1998 08:33:47 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 012A535A215AB003-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 012A535A215AB003 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <012A535A215AB003*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 07 Jul 1998 08:33:47 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" (IPM Return requested), "(Kirk Roy)" (IPM Return requested) Subject: RE: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? Message-Id: <012A535A215AB003*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> I can't say I will definitely be joining you guys but I sure hope I can get those days free on my schedule. Kirk, I looked at the route you posted and it seems like it will be an unbelievable couple of days. I'd really like a chance to get out and meet some of the people who right now are just faceless names and run some great roads at the same time. An unrelated question, My SO and I are looking to spend a couple days (Friday and Saturday) up in VA/WV (no not at Summit Point, I'm hoping to get there myself on Sunday). Can you guys/gals point out some good roads (and roads to avoid) and places we might be able to stay. I'd be leaving from Calverton/Silver Spring, MD. Thanks Don Burger - 96 F3 ---------- From: (Kirk Roy)[SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 7:46 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? Wow, I just posted about the trip last night and we've already got the following who want to come: Kirk Roy Craig Johnston (Johnston, right?) Anita Lauro Tom Gimer Bruce Norton Robert VanSlyke Mike B Sean Sullivan We ought to be able to have a sporty and normal group pretty easily. I'm going to need a couple someones to lead (I'll provide route details) the normal group. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 09:38:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14926; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27625 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21357 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:38:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA16682; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:38:37 -0400 Message-ID: <35A2249B.31989E3D@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 09:37:31 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Broeking CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Just Moved Here - Helmet law Question References: <009001bda94f$2ca58f00$2d75accf@broeking> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They all have helmet laws. Lane splitting is illegal. In DC however, the only rule that's enforced is parking, other stuff is just advisory. (Watch those traffic lights, cages don't get tickets either.) If the scooter is under 50cc, it's a moped. No helmet or any other paperwork required. Rider must be 16 and not have revoked driver's license. Mopeds can split lanes (on either side) and may park anywhere. Where in Virginia? I'm in Dale City. Leon. Bob Broeking wrote: > > I just moved here from the St Louis area and would like to know the > surrounding states' helmet laws and in DC. I would like info on VA, MD, and > DC. And yes, I plan on wearing one all of the time , except for short rides > on my wife's scooter around the neighborhood. I live in VA. I am planning > on purchasing a Honda PC800 this week for commuting. Thanks in advance. > Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 09:59:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15432; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28601 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21611 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p20dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.52]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA08941; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:59:29 -0400 Message-ID: <005c01bda9af$8680c980$34f31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Kirk Roy" , Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:59:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 But remember the number of people interested in doing the Deals Gap trip? It was 20+....only 8 even made the first night's campground (not including cagers). Glenn seems to be missing from your list....wasn't he part of the original plans? Don't worry Glenn, there will be plenty of time to wash the bike when you get back. Sean: good to hear that you had a fun, safe trip. Your tire expenditures this year must be getting ugly! -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Roy To: Date: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 7:42 AM Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? Wow, I just posted about the trip last night and we've already got the following who want to come: Kirk Roy Craig Johnston (Johnston, right?) Anita Lauro Tom Gimer Bruce Norton Robert VanSlyke Mike B Sean Sullivan We ought to be able to have a sporty and normal group pretty easily. I'm going to need a couple someones to lead (I'll provide route details) the normal group. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 10:07:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15535; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29085 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21794 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02228 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:07:17 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id KAA09338 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:05:27 -0400 Message-Id: <199807071405.KAA09338@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:05:27 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:05:27 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:05:27 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:03:07 -0400 Subject: Two Weeks, Too Fast (long) To: MINEREG@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ..man...all I can say is that I envy the hell outta you..sounds like you had a GREAT time..was in TAO's about two months ago...LOTS of bikes..mainly Harleys, but most of them were weekend RUBS so most of them were pretty friendly...wasn't riding though, was there on a business/golfing trip. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 10:12:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15607; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29251 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21852 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 282; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:11:50 -0400 Message-ID: <35A22CB8.15E517E4@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 10:12:08 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Broeking CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Just Moved Here - Helmet law Question References: <009001bda94f$2ca58f00$2d75accf@broeking> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob Broeking wrote: > And yes, I plan on wearing one all of the time , except for short > rides on my wife's scooter around the neighborhood. I live in VA. > I am planning on purchasing a Honda PC800 this week for commuting. Bob, Wait I don't understand, you said your wife already *HAS* a scooter, so why buy the PC800? ;-) I'm kidding! Welcome to Hell. Only LA has worse traffic than we do. No I'm not bragging, I'm complaining. I've found that riding bikes around here makes dealing with traffic all the more fun and interesting, but I spent a couple years driving around in a car down here before I felt comfortable with the way these crazy people drive (I'm from the much more rural Western PA area). If you are new to the area, please be careful out on the roads, especially on two wheels! Ride Safe! Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 10:19:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15846; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29658 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21941 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 193; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:18:33 -0400 Message-ID: <35A22E4C.28255F1C@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 10:18:52 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: NJitzul@XXXXXX, DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Miles References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > Plus, I need to make up for the 15 years > of near inactivity my bike has seen :) In almost 3 weeks I've only put 1,400+ > miles on it. That brings it up to 7,700+ miles on the odometer! Ugh!!! > You've still got time. From what I hear, those bikes last quite a long while. I view the odometer on a motorbike as sort of a happy-meter. Few miles? What, you don't like the bike? Go ride! Lots of miles? Now there's a nice happy match of bike and rider. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" (9250 miles in 3.5 months) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 10:31:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16033; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:31:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00250 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22141 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:31:43 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DEB@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Miles Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:30:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ack.. now I feel bad.. I've done 1,500 in a week.. :P - flipped 30,000k too.. that's my starting point though.. just bought the bike.. I'm going to run it over 100,000 - I swear it. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > Plus, I need to make up for the 15 years > of near inactivity my bike has seen :) In almost 3 weeks I've only put 1,400+ > miles on it. That brings it up to 7,700+ miles on the odometer! Ugh!!! > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 10:47:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16443; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00903 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22405 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:47:45 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8ZQRa06640; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:46:02 EDT To: Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Miles Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 I plan on owning the Shadow for a very long time. The fact is, the previous owner put very few miles on it. I bought it with only 6,310 miles on it! I think it should be ridden far and often. I plan on putting many many miles on it :) I love riding, so my happy-meter is going to keep climbing as fast as I can make it! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 85 Nighthawk 450 (the cause of confusion and still for sale!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 11:19:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17834; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03115 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1d.yahoomail.com (known send1d.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.48]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24345 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980707151337.20590.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send1d; Tue, 07 Jul 1998 08:13:37 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 08:13:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Johnston Subject: Re: Craig, send those suspension settings again To: Craig , "Collin T. Fagan \(cfagan@XXXXXX\)" Cc: "WantAZX6@XXXXXX Jack" , dc-cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---"Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" wrote: > Rear damping looks awefully soft. You don't get any bucking wobbles on > the long high speed sweepers? none since i have done these settings , but had wobbles before.. > > Rear compression looks good to match the damping. Thank you it feels pretty good as well > > 4 lines on the front preload? correct That's generally right about the stock > setting (at least on GSXR's and I believe RF's)...always worked pretty > good for me as well in that general vicinity. Yes it is, if not very close have tried other settings and like the feel of this position best > > Front rebound is about 1/2 turn stiffer than me, but I think the TL's > riding position puts a bit more weight bias to the front so stiffer may > be better. Semms to help keep the tire on the road Stiffer on mine amplified the nasty GSXR tank slappers... not since I had the dampner installed > > Again, front compression is pretty well matched to the rebound. Thank you > Your description of setting the bikes sag is a little off though. You > want front and rear preload set so that when the rider is on in full > gear, the bike sags about 24-26mm, which is around 1 1/4 inch In setting it the way I described , the bike will sag almost the amount you specify atleast in the rear. Have not looked at the amount that it sags in the front though > Overall the settings look pretty decent. I think the absolute best way > to set the suspension settings is to take your tools with you and find a > nice stretch a few miles long. Run through it, think about what the > bike is doing, make minor adjustments (one at a time) that you think > will make things better, then run through the same exact stretch again, > taking as close to the same lines as possible, compare, repeat till your > happy. Always take notes, so you can revert back to better settings > each if the new ones don't work out. exactly it will take some time and a lot of feeling out the feedback from the bike > > I suspect Craig/Jack (and me) will end up with settings taht are > painfully stiff for cruising/commuting speeds but that will rock at > speed. Which is the object , to be as comfortable at speed in the twisties A set up suspension will make you go faster long before that > brutally expensive full system pipe and jet kit. Can he get an AMEN Oh yeah, i forgot to reply to one of you guys earlier posts...Get that > steering damper back on the bike Jack. Please .... ;~) Craig _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 11:24:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17899; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03221 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1c.yahoomail.com (known send1c.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24538 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980707152603.20911.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send1c; Tue, 07 Jul 1998 08:26:03 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 08:26:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Johnston Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? To: Kirk Roy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---Kirk Roy wrote: > > That trip that had been planned for the 4th of July weekend has been > moved to the Aug 8/9 weekend start > on saturday and end on monday. Please make it start on a saturday and end on monday... Mondays are usually less traffic congested and I have a Class all day Friday :~( So for me it needs to be a 3 day starting on saturday Craig _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 11:42:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18241; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03487 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25124 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA29362 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:42:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:42:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Weekend trip Aug 8-10 In-Reply-To: <19980707152603.20911.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ok, I've gotten several votes for a saturday start day and a monday finish so that's what we'll go with (being the 'organizer' endows one with some measure of power, the decision is made). I welcome any suggestions as to the routes to take on the way to and from Princeton, WV. To find Princeton on a map follow I-66w to I-81s to 460w. Princeton is at the intersection of 460 and I-77. We won't be taking that route down there :). We'll most likely stay at the Ramada near 460 and I-77 (where we've gotten group discounts before). I recall $50 per night for 2 people in a 2 bed room. There's a map of one potential sunday route available at: http://members.nova.org/~kirk/4th.jpg I'm going to try to hook up with some of the locals down there and get a fast ride leader and a normal ride leader so that route might be out the window if I can get them to help out. Maybe we can make a ride leader out of a guy down there with a harley sidecar rig. He ought to be able to thouroughly embarrass any of us who think we're actually fast... Anyway, plans will be filling out as the date approaches. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 14:46:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23058; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08931 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05290 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 328; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:45:15 -0400 Message-ID: <35A26CCA.9377809A@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 14:45:30 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Miles References: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DEB@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You and me both. I wanna see what the resale value of a 10 year old bike with a quarter of a million miles is in the year 2008, just for kicks. I'll probably end up owing them money on the trade! :) Horkster McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > > Ack.. now I feel bad.. I've done 1,500 in a week.. :P - flipped 30,000k > too.. that's my starting point though.. just bought the bike.. I'm going > to run it over 100,000 - I swear it. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 15:31:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24149; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:31:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09878 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:31:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06949 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA00757 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3L6BBACB>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:31:39 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F285A@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: Kudos to Allied Safe and Lock Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:31:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Upon recommendation of a couple of listers, I took my lock cylinder to these guys to have a new key cut. They originally quoted me $45 plus the cost of the blanks. They didn't have blanks so I had to track them down...that was a near impossible feat, although I did finally get a pair (most places would gladly order a blank for me at $14.75!!!!) for $2.50 each. Allied cut the keys for me in about 20 minutes, and then the bill....$15!!! Woohoo! These guys get all my future locksmith business. Turns out the blanks were too short, but by removing the weather cap at the top of the ignition, I've managed to get them to work..works fine on the gas tank which was the major concern anyhow.... I'm rambling..I'll shut up now :) Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 17:38:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26912; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA11653 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA11083 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:37:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 316; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:37:36 -0400 Message-ID: <35A29530.7BCD1507@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 17:37:52 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Sullivan , Linda Tanner CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Two Weeks, Too Fast, and Waaaaay out West References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sean Sullivan wrote: > > Two Weeks, Too Fast And Linda Tanner added: > >Sean's already posted a ride report, but I simply have to add a few >observations from the female perspective.. Welcome back, Folks! Nice write-ups! Wish I could have gone with you. It sounded simply wonderful. Sean, congrats on the SS1K! Make sure and do your paperwork, the IBA license plate frame sure looks great on the back of any bike. I know! :) Feeling any residual aches and pains from all the miles? :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 17:40:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26989; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA11680 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA11206 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:40:29 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WCDa019317 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <51b60850.35a29594@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:39:31 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: tire break in Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 I got a dilema, I got about an inch and a half on either side of my rear tire that I need to break in, the only problem is, Im not sure Im comfortable going that far over until its broken in though. ya see? so how do I break it in? I dont have very good judgement on how far over I am while Im riding so as Im going, I try to lean more and she feels likes she's gonna give out. So, am I just a wussie? probably, but oh well. Anyway, I guess I'll find out after tomorrow nightwhen I get her back from the shop.(thats right jay, tuuune uuuup!! lol) Sean G. Petr "Killer TL-R" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 17:56:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27313; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA11871 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA11813 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:56:39 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WAFa020769 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:54:28 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: tire break in Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 I recently had a new MEZ1 fitted to the rear and heres what I did: When you are in a lane just swerve back and forth in the lane (when safe of course) until you are sure you have scuffed in that part of the tire. Next find a twisty road that you are comfortable with. Run through it faster and faster while not leaning all the way. The key is to make sure that eventhough you have some new rubber on the road, KEEP some worn in rubber on the road as well. Understand? Usually when riding twisties you wont have all new rubber on the road unless you are scraping pegs and shit. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 18:20:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27831; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12069 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cais.cais.com (known cais.cais.net [199.0.216.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12622 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (dynamic129.cais.com [207.226.56.129]) by cais.cais.com (8.8.5/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id SAA25964 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:12:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <009f01bdaa0e$301098a0$8138e2cf@wowbager> From: "Mike B." To: Subject: Re: Two Weeks, Too Fast (long) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:17:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 -----Original Message----- From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Monday, July 06, 1998 5:37 PM Subject: Two Weeks, Too Fast (long) >Two Weeks, Too Fast (long) > >. We planted our flag as far west as the Pacific time zone >and claimed the territory for D.C. Cycles. > Sean Sullivan > CBR600 F3 Wow !! Glad you guys had a good time, and made it back safe. Mike B. 1998 ZX 900 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 18:59:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28608; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12365 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:59:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14054 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.98] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA00102; Tue, 07 Jul 1998 18:59:43 -0400 Message-ID: <00f501bda9fa$9da81b40$6273c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" , "Kirk Roy" Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 8-10 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:57:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >Ok, I've gotten several votes for a saturday start day and a monday finish >so that's what we'll go with (being the 'organizer' endows one with some >measure of power, the decision is made). Yes! I like it! Laser surgery is scheduled for -next week- (July 15) so no conflict is seen. I'll be there WITHOUT GLASSES!!! Bruce From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 21:22:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00941; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 21:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13501 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 21:22:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16634 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 21:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (rave@XXXXXX [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA02185 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 21:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A2F4A6.5A95@mnsinc.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 21:25:10 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Chain Tool Help Needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey DC Guys & Gals, Would anyone be kind enough to let me borrow/use one of those special tools to fasten the master link on a new 530 SO chain? I really do need to replace my current chain (22.5K miles !) I'm off the next few days so whatever time/place is covenient for you... ;^D TIA -- JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 21:26:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00979; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 21:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13525 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 21:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16703 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 21:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.154] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA00347; Tue, 07 Jul 1998 21:26:50 -0400 Message-ID: <35A28174.38333B75@anent.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 21:13:41 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Sean Petr" , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Craig, send those suspension settings again References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > So does this get the "wallow" out of the beast, that motorcyclylist magazine > was talking about? I have a 98 tlr, and wanna adjust mine, but that rotary > damper in the rear looks awfully intimidating. Don't let the damper intimidate you . My suggestion would be to try adjusting one item at a time and riding a section of road several times to get the feel of the changes you have made.Take note of the original setting first so that you can go back to them if you don't like the changes you have made. The only way to find out what will help is too mess with it. I checked out a TLR today and based on what I saw , It is very similar to the TL so these settings may be VERY helpful indeed, seeing as they do have alot in common .And as Colin put it my settings were very close to what he sets his GSX-R with which is also very similar.The TLR is a mix of the two chassis so there you have it. :~)Hope that this has been helpful. I would be more than happy to assist you anytime if I can. Craig > > > Sean > 98 tlr From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 23:46:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA02914; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:46:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19016 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19330 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:45:55 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WTKOa11435 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:44:17 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:44:17 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Vacuum gauge....PLEASE Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 Does anyone have a vacuum gauge? Its the little thing you use for carb syncing..... or throttle body sync in this case. Does anyone have one that I may borrow for a short time so I can sync my throttle bodies? Id be happy to pick it up. Just dont want to pay $140 for the dealer to do it. Thanks Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 00:45:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04075; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20418 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20076 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (known camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA10341 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (user-38lcjsd.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.79.141]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA19074; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:44:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:44:40 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDAA09.971671A0.zellto@mindspring.com> From: "Thomas W.Zell" Reply-To: "zellto@XXXXXX" To: "'Sean Sullivan'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Two Weeks, Too Fast (long) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:44:39 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Congrats on a trip well done!!! Glad to see that you guys are back! -Tom '86 VFR750r -----Original Message----- From: Sean Sullivan [SMTP:MINEREG@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 06, 1998 8:22 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Two Weeks, Too Fast (long) Two Weeks, Too Fast (long) Warning: This report was edited for space and is still way long! Hello D.C. Cycles! Linda Tanner and I reentered the metropolitan area Sunday after more than two weeks out West. The final count was 19 states and I believe Linda's GPS read about 6,500 miles. We left Todd Peer out there as he has another week of vacation. Linda left for New Mexico on June 17. Todd and I left the next day. An electrical short almost grounded Todd's ST1100, but he was there at the Rosslyn Amoco at our scheduled departure time of 3pm. Leon Begeman was there as well, having taken it upon himself to sign our witness forms for the Saddle Sore 1000 and escort us out the congested I-66. Todd and I arrived at 11pm in Knoxville, Tenn., without much drama and took a four-hour nap. About 20 minutes after we shoved off, lightning lit up the darkness and we were pounded by rain for the next three hours. I could barely make out the 18-wheelers, much less the ST. The weather cleared and we cruised passed Graceland into a hot Arkansas. We took one of our few leisurely stops at Wendy's for lunch and arrived in Little Rock within the appointed 24 hours. Todd's buddy Scott (also on an ST) signed our papers and took us out to a Mexican restaurant, the first of many for us. The next day Scott took us on a few curves going over Magazine Mtn. in the Ozarks before Todd and I went back to the slab on I-40. We drove through to Elk City, Okla., just shy of Texas. We stayed at a motel and went out to the country bar next door with some truckers we met at the pool. The next day we made it through the desert to the cooler mountains around Taos, N.M. We rolled into a parking lot at the Sagebrush Inn crowded with bikes for the Honda Sport Touring Assn. rally. Linda saw us and told me I looked like shit. She and her CBR600 F3 had arrived the day before. The next three days we spent in Taos. We met a bunch of Todd's acquaintances from HSTA, and Linda's fans from the CBR list who came from Texas, California and Minnesota. Linda was impressed with the muscles of a Minnesota guy on a Fat Boy. One of the CBR listers, a local named Raven, took us on some of her favorite roads. We saw ex-racer Freddie Spencer and sampled the Triumph demo bikes. On the last day, while we packed to leave, one of the Minnesota crew crashed during a canyon sprint and broke his collar bone, which kept the Minnesota guys in Taos for another day. Linda, Todd and I rode with the California riders as far as Durango, Colo., then we turned north up the Million Dollar Highway and looped back down to Cortez. The highway was spectacular, twisting through the southern Rockies. We kept the revs high to overcome the high-altitude stumble that we first noticed before Taos. The next day we saw cliff dwellings and curves on Mesa Verde. In the following days, we went to the Grand Canyon, rode past a traffic jam at Hoover Dam with a band of Harley riders, parked the bikes for a night at Circus Circus in Las Vegas, and explored Zion, Bryce Canyon and Escalante National Parks in Utah. The soft rubber which replaced my rear tire on the Deals Gap trip was showing belt by the time of Zion. Todd and Linda escorted me into St. George, Utah, where we had some tasty pizza while the local shop replaced the tire. There we observed the height and athleticism of the Utah women, and Todd and I were impressed with their upbringing. Approaching the four-day buffer zone we needed to return, Linda and I left Todd at the mercy of the Utah women. We headed back east on I-70, taking a detour to run up and over Independence Pass in Colorado. We had a pretty good system going. We'd ride for a 600-mile day and then have a couple beers. Linda had a CB and radar detector in her bionic tank bag. She heard two truckers talking about us. One trucker said his back would break if he rode one of those things, and the other said "And look at all the shit on them!" Sorry to take up so much space, but it was a good trip. We planted our flag as far west as the Pacific time zone and claimed the territory for D.C. Cycles. Sean Sullivan CBR600 F3 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 01:49:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA04634; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 01:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA21101 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 01:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA20747 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 01:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA24692; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 01:45:42 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 01:40:39 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Crow Bar Info To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey all, It's official.Found this on the web. Washington, D.C.'s Biker Bar Closes Washington, D.C. [American M/C Network] After almost seven years at its 20th Street location, Washington, D.C.'s biker bar, the Crow Bar is closing its doors. The building's new landlords notified Crow Bar Owner,Steve Zarpas, that he had to leave by the end of June. The bar has resided in a 50-year old rowhouse whose destruction makes way for a large office building planned for the site. After scouting for other locations, including in Virginia, for more than a year, Zarpas has decided to keep the bar in D.C. "D.C.'s about to reestablish itself as a great city, and I want to stay right downtown and be part of it." Possible new sites include some near the original location and if that works out, the "Crow Bar Volume II" may open this September. Zarpas and the Crow Bar have established themselves as a staple of Memorial Day activities in D.C. with an annual pre-Rolling Thunder Block Party drawing thousands bikers that are in D.C. for the Ride to the Wall. Through out riding season, Saturday nights are known as "bike night" at the Crow Bar. Enthusiasts of all types can be found mixing with the local and college crowd that are also Crow Bar fans. - www.americanmotor.com - The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 07:35:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA07434; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 07:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23869 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 07:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA24587 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 07:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 07:35:29 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DF4@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Crow Bar Info Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 07:33:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You mean it WASN'T official while I was there whooping it up with the rest of them on that rainy Saturday night? I coulda swore they were giving away liquor so they didn't have to stash it someplace (yes, I'm serious). Hrrmmmm.. maybe nothing's 'official' untill it's written in the 'news' somewhere... funny. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 08:27:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA08668; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24111 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:27:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25192 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm1-11.dial.nova.org (pm1-11.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.139]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id IAA18071 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:27:39 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: George Washington National Forest web site Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 12:30:00 GMT Message-ID: <35af65dc.1199937325@mailgate.nova.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is a web site for the forest. This is one of the forests we pass through on US33/US250. There are bunches of off road trails (including fire roads that could be traversed with a normal street bike). The url is: http://www.fs.fed.us/gwjnf/ Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 09:11:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09102; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24572 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1b.yahoomail.com (known send1b.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25941 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980708131115.14080.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send1b; Wed, 08 Jul 1998 06:11:15 PDT Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 06:11:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Johnston Subject: Mayor Barry To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From Our Capital’s Mayor >>> > > >>> > > > > Proud to live in (or near) DC..... >>> > > > > >>> > > > > “The contagious people of Washington have stood firm against >>> > > > > diversity during this long period of increment weather.” >>> > > > > - M. Barry, >>> > > > > Mayor of Washington, DC >>> > > > > >>> > > > > “I promise you a police car on every sidewalk.” >>> > > > > - M. Barry, >>> > > > > Mayor of Washington, DC >>> > > > > >>> > > > > “If you take out the killings, Washington actually has a >>> > > > > very very low crime rate.” >>> > > > > - M. Barry, >>> > > > > Mayor of Washington, DC >>> > > > > >>> > > > > “First, it was not a strip bar, it was an erotic club. And >>> > > > > second, what can I say? I’m a night owl.” >>> > > > > - M. Barry, >>> > > > > Mayor of Washington,DC >>> > > > > >>> > > > > “Bitch set me up.” >>> > > > > - M. Barry, >>> > > > > Mayor of Washington, DC >>> > > > > >>> > > > > “I am clearly more popular than Reagan. I am in my third >>> > > > > term. Where’s Reagan? Gone after two! Defeated by George Bush >>> > > > > and Michael Dukakis no less.” >>> > > > > - M. Barry, >>> > > > > Mayor of Washington, DC >>> > > > > >>> > > > > “The laws in this city are clearly racist. All laws are >>> > > > > racist. The law of gravity is racist.” >>> > > > > - M. Barry, >>> > > > > Mayor of Washington, DC >>> > > > > >>> > > > > “I am making this trip to Africa because Washington is an >>> > > > > international city, just like Tokyo, Nigeria or Israel. As >>> > > > > mayor, I am an international symbol. Can you deny that to >>> Africa?” >>> > > > > - M. Barry, >>> > > > > Mayor of Washington, DC >>> > > > > >>> > > > > “People have criticized me because my security detail is >>> > > > larger than the president’s. But you must ask yourself: are there >>> > > > more people who want to kill me than who want to kill the >>> president? >>> > >>> > > > I can assure you there are.” >>> > > > > - M. Barry, >>> > > > > Mayor of Washington, DC >>> > > > > >>> > > > > “The brave men who died in Vietnam, more than 100% of which >>> > > > > were black, were the ultimate sacrifice.” >>> > > > > - M. Barry, >>> > > > > Mayor of Washington, DC >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > “I read a funny story about how the Republicans freed the >>> > > > > slaves. The Republicans are the ones who created slavery by law >>> in >>> > > > > the 1600’s. Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves and he was not a >>> > > > > Republican.” >>> > > > > - M. Barry, >>> > > > > Mayor of Washington, DC >>> > > > > >>> > > > > “What right does Congress have to go around making laws just >>> > > > > because they deem it necessary?” >>> > > > > - M. Barry, >>> > > > > Mayor of Washington, DC >>> > > > > >>> > > > > “People blame me because these water mains break, but I ask >>> > > > > you, if the water mains didn’t break, would it be my >>> responsibility >>> > > > > to fix them then? WOULD IT!?!” >>> > > > > - M. Barry, >>> > > > > Mayor of Washington, DC >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > “I am a great mayor; I am an upstanding Christian man; I am >>> > > > > an intelligent man; I am a deeply educated man; I am a humble >>> man.” >>> > > > > - M. Barry, >>> > > > > Mayor of Washington, DC >>> > > > > >> > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 09:14:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09126; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:14:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24611 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26017 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:14:51 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DF8@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Coloured Hands.. Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:13:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Really, I LIKE having kinda purplish hands from the leather die in my gloves when they get wet.. and Wet they got this morning. It was raining so hard in MD when I left at 6:30 this morning that CARS were pulling off under the underpasses.. and I trudged along at 70 or so.. feeling the front end push to and fro as it'd hit a large puddle. Made for an exciting ride to work.. and actually, here at work I'm soaked. My 'Stich didn't do Jack for my this morning - it's almost as if the rain came right through the fabric - and I had everything buttoned up = as I usualy do. Maybe it's time to buy a rainsuit to put over the = 'Stich.. argh, more money I don't have to spend.. On another note, I really need to start riding on the track.. I noticed last night that my rear tire's worn all the way to the edge - no shiny spots left on either the right or left sides in back (150/70/18 ME1 CompK). I didn't think I was pushing very hard.. but I guess I was. Kinda strange that the fron still has =BC" left on both sides with no wear... maybe I should drop it from a 120 to a 110 - quickent the stearing up a tad, and have more equal wear on front and rear tires..=20 Anyway.. I'm going to stop my little ramble and go back to work..=20 Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 09:33:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09297; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25290 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send101.yahoomail.com (known send101.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.87]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26438 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980708133317.24542.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send101.yahoomail.com; Wed, 08 Jul 1998 06:33:17 PDT Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 06:33:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Johnston Subject: Coleman Sucks To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well after hearing all of you , I decided it's finally time for me to bitch... After repeatedly having my bike worked on under warranty 4 times at coleman for the same problem , I have continuely found parts damaged and bolts loose!!! They scratched the right exhaust can , which "was new" , in several places. I found the STEERING DAMPER mounting bolts to be extremely loose and almost ready to fall out ;~( A broken off bolt in the radiator for the left fairing mount that has been drilled out but not easy-outed and re-tapped , they just left the hole empty. Last night I went to change the oil and the OIL DRAIN BOLT was finger tight. Just what I always wanted a oil slick occurring under my back tire while I am riding. ;~( The right side engine cover that they replaced had THREE BOLTS READY TO FALL OUT , only held in by 2-3 threads , and several others that varied in tightness ranging from barely tight to extremely tight. I am totally disgusted with their service and sloppy work. I have also noted these facts to Mr. Coleman , Jesse the service manager, and the SUZUKI REP in california. Sorry to vent...But I haVE HAD IT !!! Craig _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 09:53:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09497; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25886 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26780 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19294; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:53:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3P9699Z8>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:54:22 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F285E@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Craig Johnston'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Coleman Sucks Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:54:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Craig, I'm sure I can dig up contact info For Mr. Coleman and their service department, but could you please pass along the contact info that you used for American Suzuki? I'd love to add my voice and send them a letter documenting my many problems with them... Collin > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig Johnston [SMTP:tleatsducks@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 9:44 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Coleman Sucks > > I am totally disgusted with their service and sloppy work. I have also > noted these facts to Mr. Coleman , Jesse the service manager, and the > SUZUKI REP in california. > > Sorry to vent...But I haVE HAD IT !!! > > Craig > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 10:01:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09599; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26166 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26961 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807081401.KAA26961@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ABC744702CA; Wed, 08 Jul 1998 10:01:43 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 10:03:58 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Coloured Hands.. In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DF8@hqmail04.hecsa.usac e.army.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:13 AM 7/8/98 -0400, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: >Really, I LIKE having kinda purplish hands from the leather die in my >gloves when they get wet.. and Wet they got this morning. Blech. I can relate to that (only mine get red, 'cause I wear red gloves). I wear "waterproof" Goretex overmitts - they aren't really waterproof, of course, but they keep me dry for the commute - it's just 30 min. >here at work I'm soaked. >My 'Stich didn't do Jack for my this morning - it's almost as if the >rain came right through the fabric - and I had everything buttoned up as >I usualy do. Maybe it's time to buy a rainsuit to put over the 'Stich.. >argh, more money I don't have to spend.. Sorry to hear that. My Aerostich did wonderfully this morning. I was a little worried since I've removed my windscreen for more summer cooling, but I was dry. If your suit's flaps are all correct, perhaps it's time for some spray waterproofing. Scotchguard helps, Camp Dry is better but is smelly. I used NikWax wash-in stuff the last time I washed the suit (when I changed to summer armor) and it's working quite well. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 10:19:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09786; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26438 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27357 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:19:39 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id KAA19356 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:19:25 -0400 Message-Id: <199807081419.KAA19356@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:19:25 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:19:25 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:19:25 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:17:15 -0400 Subject: Coleman Sucks To: tleatsducks@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980708133317.24542.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME hey been there done that...don't expect any sympathy from Colemans employees..they just gave me a blank look when I complained.. ...I had a fork seal go bad on me so I (innocently) went to Coleman for repairs.. ...$295 and three days later, I picked it up and drove home, at the VERY FIRST SIGNAL LIGHT IN FALLS CHURCH, my forks bottomed out and oil squirted OVER MY HEAD from the forks!!!!! I very carefully drove the bike back AND THEY FREAKING ACCUSED ME OF TAMPERING WITH THE SEALS!!! I told them I had just left, not more than 5 minutes earlier, how the hell could *I* have done anything to them? They refused, including the manager, to even look at it unless I willingly PAID them $150 in labor "to check things out". I left the bike there, and got a ride home, and called Honda Corp of America. I was assigned an investigator that told me that they have had numerous complaints about Coleman and was ready to pull their francise rights to sell Honda products. To make a long story short, Honda basically ordered them to check the seals at their own expense and with a Honda rep there in the shop, FOUND OUT THAT THE MECHANIC HAD INSTALLED THE SEALS IN UPSIDE DOWN!!!...even after all that the idiots not only did not apoligize to me, (after several phone conference sessions, lasting FOUR weeks between me, Honda, and Colemans), but they also outright accused me of not only tampering with the seals but lying about them! So..after almost a total of five weeks, I had a bike that finally had it's fork seals replaced and the worst taste in my mouth about a dealership I have ever had..and the icing on the cake was that they didn't even clean the oil off the bike when I came to pick it up! There were greasy fingerprints all over the tank, they left the bike outside without a cover and it was coated with dirt, grime, fork oil and dirty fingerprints...I mentioned that to them and they said it was THAT WAY WHEN I DROPPED IT OFF!!! god..everytime I remember that little episode it just twists my shorts.. >:-( -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 10:27:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09917; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26512 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27500 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:27:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA20261 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:26:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA16877 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:26:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980708142652.YTY5552@XXXXXX> for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:26:52 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Summer Armor? Was: Coloured Hands.. Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:26:47 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bdaa7c$71c8e5e0$325420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199807081401.KAA26961@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal What, pray tell, is summer armor?? BTW, my 'stich kept me dry this morning, but it's new (but doesn't look new anymore) and it didn't rain that hard. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze Chris Norloff said: I used NikWax wash-in stuff the last time I washed the suit (when I changed to summer armor) and it's working quite well. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 10:51:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10532; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27061 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (known smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.42]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28252 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:51:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.server.ibm.com (relay3.server.ibm.com [9.14.2.100]) by smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA61364; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:40:05 -0400 Received: from US.IBM.COM (d04lms01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.164.193]) by relay3.server.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA25088; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:44:36 -0400 Received: by US.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D04AU003 id 5040100020160604; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:53:39 -0400 From: Tom Knapik To: , Subject: Re: Coloured Hands.. Message-ID: <5040100020160604000002L042*@MHS> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:53:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Chris Norloff wrote: >I used NikWax wash-in stuff the last time I washed the suit (when >I changed to summer armor) and it's working quite well. Hmmmmmm, never heard of this NikWax wash-in stuff...... where can I get some? Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 ---------------------- Forwarded by Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM on 07-08-98 10:45 AM --------------------------- Please respond to cnorloff@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Re: Coloured Hands.. At 09:13 AM 7/8/98 -0400, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: >Really, I LIKE having kinda purplish hands from the leather die in my >gloves when they get wet.. and Wet they got this morning. Blech. I can relate to that (only mine get red, 'cause I wear red gloves). I wear "waterproof" Goretex overmitts - they aren't really waterproof, of course, but they keep me dry for the commute - it's just 30 min. >here at work I'm soaked. >My 'Stich didn't do Jack for my this morning - it's almost as if the >rain came right through the fabric - and I had everything buttoned up as >I usualy do. Maybe it's time to buy a rainsuit to put over the 'Stich.. >argh, more money I don't have to spend.. Sorry to hear that. My Aerostich did wonderfully this morning. I was a little worried since I've removed my windscreen for more summer cooling, but I was dry. If your suit's flaps are all correct, perhaps it's time for some spray waterproofing. Scotchguard helps, Camp Dry is better but is smelly. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 11:13:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11114; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27506 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29168 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807081513.LAA29168@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ACBE27F0152; Wed, 08 Jul 1998 11:14:06 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 11:08:23 -0400 To: Tom Knapik , From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Coloured Hands.. In-Reply-To: <5040100020160604000002L042*@MHS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I *think* Art Crow might have some in his shop (Riders Accessory Warehouse in Falls Church, VA). I bought mine mailorder from Aerostich with some other things. The wash-in stuff was easy to use (wash the suit, then run another cycle with the stuff in the machine). It did seem to make the suit a little softer. NiKWax also makes a rub-in waterproofing for boots that is no better than other stuff I've tried, like Snoseal. Chris Norloff ************************************************************* At 10:53 AM 7/8/98 -0400, Tom Knapik wrote: >Chris Norloff wrote: >>I used NikWax wash-in stuff the last time I washed the suit (when >>I changed to summer armor) and it's working quite well. > >Hmmmmmm, never heard of this NikWax wash-in stuff...... where can I get some? > > > > >Regards, >Tom Knapik >E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX >Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 > > >---------------------- Forwarded by Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM on 07-08-98 10:45 AM > --------------------------- >Please respond to cnorloff@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >cc: >Subject: Re: Coloured Hands.. > > >At 09:13 AM 7/8/98 -0400, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: >>Really, I LIKE having kinda purplish hands from the leather die in my >>gloves when they get wet.. and Wet they got this morning. > >Blech. I can relate to that (only mine get red, 'cause I wear red gloves). > I wear "waterproof" Goretex overmitts - they aren't really waterproof, of >course, but they keep me dry for the commute - it's just 30 min. > >>here at work I'm soaked. >>My 'Stich didn't do Jack for my this morning - it's almost as if the >>rain came right through the fabric - and I had everything buttoned up as >>I usualy do. Maybe it's time to buy a rainsuit to put over the 'Stich.. >>argh, more money I don't have to spend.. > >Sorry to hear that. My Aerostich did wonderfully this morning. I was a >little worried since I've removed my windscreen for more summer cooling, >but I was dry. If your suit's flaps are all correct, perhaps it's time for >some spray waterproofing. Scotchguard helps, Camp Dry is better but is >smelly. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 11:13:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11118; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:13:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27510 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29171 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807081513.LAA29171@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ACBD27F0152; Wed, 08 Jul 1998 11:14:05 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 11:03:41 -0400 To: "Dc-Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Summer Armor? Was: Coloured Hands.. In-Reply-To: <000201bdaa7c$71c8e5e0$325420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> References: <199807081401.KAA26961@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Aerostich rate-sensitive foam with hard armor over it. The foam is soft when pushed, hard when hit. But it's also temperature sensitive and gets very uncomfortable in the winter - so I use the Aerostich winter pads then. Chris Norloff ********************************************************* At 10:26 AM 7/8/98 -0400, Linda Tanner wrote: >What, pray tell, is summer armor?? > >BTW, my 'stich kept me dry this morning, but it's new (but doesn't look new >anymore) and it didn't rain that hard. > >LindaT. >95 F3 Purple Haze > >Chris Norloff said: > >I used NikWax wash-in stuff the last time I washed the suit (when >I changed to summer armor) and it's working quite well. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 11:14:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11124; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:14:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27520 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29183 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:14:20 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DFB@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: waterproofing Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:12:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, my 'Stich IS a year old.. and I've never waterproofed it.. recommendations are truly welcome.. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 11:20:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11202; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27753 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:20:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29430 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA20285 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA15932 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:19:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980708151941.BIDV5552@XXXXXX> for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:19:41 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Colored Hands.. Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:19:40 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bdaa83$d37f1280$325420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <5040100020160604000002L042*@MHS> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Riderwearhouse or REI. Tom Knapik asked: Hmmmmmm, never heard of this NikWax wash-in stuff...... where can I get some? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 11:29:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11312; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28220 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:29:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29742 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807081529.LAA29742@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A05929A0152; Wed, 08 Jul 1998 11:29:29 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 11:32:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: More NikWax waterproofing info Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" http://www.nikwax-usa.com/ Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 11:31:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11367; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28274 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29862 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA21263 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:31:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: waterproofing In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DFB@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > Well, my 'Stich IS a year old.. and I've never waterproofed it.. > recommendations are truly welcome.. I've used all manner of spray on stuff and found them all to be pretty equivalent. My wife no longer tolerates me doing this in the house... There are a few products available at REI and other outdoor stores. Nikwax is available at REI, along with the normal spray on stuff. Last time I washed the suit I tried something different, I forget the name but I bought it at REI... You wash your suit and, while it's still wet, spray this stuff on. Then, you put the suit in the dryer and the waterproofing is activated. It was about $20 (same as the nikwax since you need 2 bottles of nikwax for one suit). The aerosol can stuff that you spray on while the suit is dry is cheaper (camp dry is only $3 or so at walmart) and does the job just as well, I think. The weak link is still the zippers... A rain suit is a good idea for trips and such. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 11:32:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11380; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28421 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29941 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807081532.LAA29941@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A0FD2A70152; Wed, 08 Jul 1998 11:32:13 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 11:34:42 -0400 To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" , "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: waterproofing In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DFB@hqmail04.hecsa.usac e.army.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My recommendation is to call Aerostich at 1-800-222-1994 and ask them. I can tell you what works for me, but they're the experts, of course. Chris Norloff At 11:12 AM 7/8/98 -0400, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: >Well, my 'Stich IS a year old.. and I've never waterproofed it.. >recommendations are truly welcome.. >Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM >US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 >Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 12:05:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12012; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01388 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:04:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01090 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA24323; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:39:13 -0400 Message-ID: <35A39258.9FF0EFE7@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 11:38:00 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Linda Tanner CC: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: Summer Armor? Was: Coloured Hands.. References: <000201bdaa7c$71c8e5e0$325420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Linda Tanner wrote: > > What, pray tell, is summer armor?? > Chris Norloff said: > > I used NikWax wash-in stuff the last time I washed the suit (when > I changed to summer armor) and it's working quite well. Standard armor is TF2 (summer armor) $55 Catalog #122 from Aerostich Closed cell foam armor is TF1 (winter) $40 Catalog #121. Both are also available with Hard shell for additional impact protection, for $65 and $50 respectively. Just another way to make an expensive Aerostich even more costly. The really high cost option is to have a separate 'stich for each type of armor. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 12:22:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12182; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01727 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01717 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:21:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA22230 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:21:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Twisties Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ursulina and I have been having a brief discussion about being prepared for the August trip. I thought my wisdom might benefit more than just Ursulina (oh, yes, Craig, I, too, claimed humility - and just try and find someone who can fit more commas in...). On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > I've done Skyline Drive twice so does that count as "twisties"? By no means does that count! Are there corners on Skyline Drive? I don't remember slowing below 50 mph descending on Skyline Drive while riding my bicycle. This is certainly not bragging - it's necessary to be good at descending when you are really slow ascending and you race bicycles. Still, it's been a while since I've been willing to give someone money to let me ride on their road so my opinion is based on memory from a few years ago. > I'll take your advice about US250 west of Stauton. Maybe I'll get Anita > to come with me so we can get some practice. Do it! The first bit of twisties you hit when heading west on US250 from Staunton will combine several things that will give you an idea of a worst case scenario (or best, depending on your point of view). The corners are often banked; the road has a fair bit of patches and bumps in the corners; the corners are tight (similar to Deal's Gap); and you get a whole bunch of them one right after the other. The other roads we'll be hitting on the August trip will mostly have good road surfaces (few, if any patches or bumps) but they will be just as twisty as 250 and the stretches of twisties are longer. The route we'll be doing on Sunday will allow you to cut the day short and/or take lots of breaks so I wouldn't be discouraged if you find US250 difficult. I'd like for anyone planning to do the August trip to be as prepared as they can be. Riding US250 first is a good idea and will add significantly to your preparation. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 12:25:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12217; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01801 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01835 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807081625.MAA01835@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ADA92C50142; Wed, 08 Jul 1998 12:26:17 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 12:27:38 -0400 To: Dc-Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Summer Armor? Was: Coloured Hands.. In-Reply-To: <35A39258.9FF0EFE7@illuminet.net> References: <000201bdaa7c$71c8e5e0$325420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> What, pray tell, is summer armor?? >Standard armor is TF2 (summer armor) $55 Catalog #122 from Aerostich >Closed cell foam armor is TF1 (winter) $40 Catalog #121. Both are also >available with Hard shell for additional impact protection, for $65 and >$50 respectively. They make hard-shell winter pads now? Great! >Just another way to make an expensive Aerostich even more costly. The >really high cost option is to have a separate 'stich for each type of >armor. I find armor makes an excellent suggestion to family members when they ask what I want for my birthday or Christmas. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 12:42:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12484; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02024 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02419 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:42:51 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DFC@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: Dc-Cycles Subject: 'Stich Armor.. Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:41:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Maybe I never really paid much attention.. but whatever the suit comes with from the factory seems to work great for me, summer or winter. It feels like it's got some sort of hard shell on the outside, nice and soft/padded on the inside. Comfortable.. Leon once mentioned something (as did Chris just a moment ago) about switching out armor - or replacing armor.. I've never found the need. The few times I've pulled the stuff out, it looks almost new. And it's not like this thing hangs in my closet for weeks/months on end between use either - it's worn 6 out of every 7 days, and usualy for a couple hours a day at least. It's stuffed under desks, left on the ground, tossed over chairs and just generaly abused.. but I still don't see anything (well, waterproofing now, over a year later) that needs any sort of addition attention after it's shipped from the factory. Am I just some sort of weird exception, or are there things I'm missing here? Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 12:46:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12511; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02114 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtolympus.ari.net (known mtolympus.ari.net [198.69.192.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02612 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (bee@localhost) by mtolympus.ari.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA29763; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:45:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian E. Ewell" To: Tom Knapik cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coloured Hands.. In-Reply-To: <5040100020160604000002L042*@MHS> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, Tom Knapik wrote: > Chris Norloff wrote: > >I used NikWax wash-in stuff the last time I washed the suit (when > >I changed to summer armor) and it's working quite well. > > Hmmmmmm, never heard of this NikWax wash-in stuff...... where can I get some? > > Regards, > Tom Knapik > E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX > Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 Tom, you can find it in most any outdoors-type store. I've found it at both EMS and Hudson Trail in Gaithersburg, and I expect REI carries it as well. And the wash-in stuff is easy to apply - it doesn't last terribly long, in my experience, but it works pretty well. Brian. bee@XXXXXX '96 VFR750F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 13:03:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12757; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02834 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03222 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <335XVLPQ>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:06:57 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C404886398@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Thomas H. Gimer'" , Kirk Roy , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:06:45 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Yes, I'm going. He had a brain fart and left me off the list. I already gave him crap for it. :-) And yes I will wash the bike when I get back. And stop for rain too! I think he mentioned on the last ride it will be cheap hotel/motels. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > But remember the number of people interested in doing the Deals Gap trip? > It was 20+....only 8 even made the first night's campground (not including > cagers). > > Glenn seems to be missing from your list....wasn't he part of the original > plans? Don't worry Glenn, there will be plenty of time to wash the bike > when you get back. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 13:03:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12761; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:03:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02829 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03217 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <335XVRSZ>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 06:21:17 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C4048863B3@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'John C. Kozyn'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Chain Tool Help Needed Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 06:21:04 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) John, what kind of tool are you referring to? If you're replacing the original chain there will be no master link and you will need a link puller. If its an aftermarket chain just remove the clip on the master link, use a flat head screw driver on the plate, remove the link and the chain should come out easily. If it is the original I think I have one of those tools. Which brand did you buy? I've had the best of luck with the Tsubaki's. A friend once told me they have almost twice the tension strength of an RK. good luck Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Would anyone be kind enough to let me borrow/use one of those special > tools to fasten the master link on a new 530 SO chain? I really do need > to replace my current chain (22.5K miles !) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 13:15:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12913; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03063 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03580 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807081715.NAA03580@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A8F53080142; Wed, 08 Jul 1998 13:14:29 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 13:16:24 -0400 To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" , Dc-Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: 'Stich Armor.. In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DFC@hqmail04.hecsa.usac e.army.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:41 PM 7/8/98 -0400, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: >Maybe I never really paid much attention.. but whatever the suit comes >with from the factory seems to work great for me, summer or winter. It >feels like it's got some sort of hard shell on the outside, nice and >soft/padded on the inside. Comfortable.. Leon once mentioned something >(as did Chris just a moment ago) about switching out armor - or >replacing armor.. I've never found the need. You probably have the stock summer pads, with hard shell. If they don't feel too stiff in the winter, great. I have heard of the summer pads breaking from too much flex when too cold, to it might be worth a check if you've ridden in cold temps (below 30 or 40, I guess). You ride year 'round, right? > The few times I've pulled >the stuff out, it looks almost new. And it's not like this thing hangs >in my closet for weeks/months on end between use either - it's worn 6 >out of every 7 days, and usualy for a couple hours a day at least. It's >stuffed under desks, left on the ground, tossed over chairs and just >generaly abused.. but I still don't see anything (well, waterproofing >now, over a year later) that needs any sort of addition attention after >it's shipped from the factory. Am I just some sort of weird exception, >or are there things I'm missing here? You ride a motorcycle 6 days out of 7, year 'round? Yep, that sounds weird. You fit in just fine. It's a sick world ... I'm a happy guy, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 13:52:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13371; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03591 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04908 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA24062; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:52:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List , HawkGT Mailing List Subject: Handlebar vibration fixed Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've finally gotten my handlebar vibration problem fixed on my Hawk. I've got el cheapo wiseco pistons in the bike and a larger rear sprocket. Combined with the 'natural' vibration of a v-twin I was getting a lot of vibration. Initially I just pulled the stock bar ends and internal weights and filled the bars with lead. This was better than the stock set-up but still didn't cut the vibes significantly. Yesterday, I picked up a set of bar ends from an ST1100. They did the trick. They're a little bit more than twice the size of the stock bar ends (they're huge) and weigh approximately one ton each. Some glue (don't want them falling out); a couple nuts and bolts; some expansion plugs; the bar ends; and ten minutes was all I needed. Kill your vibes with these big mothers... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 13:57:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13432; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03625 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05046 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 398; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:56:55 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980708135652.00b128c0@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 13:56:55 -0400 To: Craig Johnston , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: Coleman Sucks Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" After hearing all of the "Coleman sucks" talk, I forwarded a message to a buddy that used to work there. He returned this info on Coleman: ======================= That place is "Known" for its under paid employess and when that occurs you don't quite get the "kid gloves" treatment. Sometimes they get the "Summer Help" to do some of the mechanics mundane work (ie changing oil..replacing fairings, yada yada yada...) These punks aren't even qualified to hold a wrench. Ang GOD forbid if you bitch at them while they are working on your bike, this is like sending your food back at a resturant and telling the cook he sucks and he needs to make your dinner better. What do you think the first thing this guy will do to your food ? Wake up America, assholes everywhere !!! ================= Get a book and a friend and fix it yourself :-) At 06:33 AM 7/8/98 -0700, Craig Johnston wrote: > >Well after hearing all of you , I decided it's finally time for me to >bitch... > >After repeatedly having my bike worked on under warranty 4 times at >coleman for the same problem , I have continuely found parts damaged >and bolts loose!!! > >They scratched the right exhaust can , which "was new" , in several >places. > > I found the STEERING DAMPER mounting bolts to be extremely loose and >almost ready to fall out ;~( > >A broken off bolt in the radiator for the left fairing mount that has >been drilled out but not easy-outed and re-tapped , they just left the >hole empty. > >Last night I went to change the oil and the OIL DRAIN BOLT was finger >tight. Just what I always wanted a oil slick occurring under my back >tire while I am riding. ;~( > >The right side engine cover that they replaced had THREE BOLTS READY >TO FALL OUT , only held in by 2-3 threads , and several others that >varied in tightness ranging from barely tight to extremely tight. > >I am totally disgusted with their service and sloppy work. I have also >noted these facts to Mr. Coleman , Jesse the service manager, and the >SUZUKI REP in california. > >Sorry to vent...But I haVE HAD IT !!! > >Craig > > > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "Welcome to MY reality" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 14:02:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13506; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03751 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05154 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:02:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00533; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3P96997K>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:02:58 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F2863@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'" , "'John C. Kozyn'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Chain Tool Help Needed Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:02:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain My guess is that he's bought an aftermarket chain that you have a permanent master link that requires pressing on...Put the chain on, insert the special mater link (although you'll never be able to tell which one it is again unless you paint it) then put the ouoter plate on, use said special tool to crimp pins down identical to all the other ones > -----Original Message----- > From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 1:11 PM > To: 'John C. Kozyn'; 'DC Cycles' > Subject: RE: Chain Tool Help Needed > > John, what kind of tool are you referring to? > > > > Would anyone be kind enough to let me borrow/use one of those special > > tools to fasten the master link on a new 530 SO chain? I really do need > > to replace my current chain (22.5K miles !) > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 14:47:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14454; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06351 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06970 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 215; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:45:53 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980708144548.00992100@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 14:45:53 -0400 To: Craig Johnston , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: Coleman Sucks (again) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My friend got a response from another friend that worked there. Funny in a sad way.... >Tell him he was one of the lucky ones. And all this shit was on a new bike? That's unbe-fuckin-leivable. When things got slow up in sales I would go down to the service department to watch people screaming at the service manager. Those mechanics rotated quicker than an airplane propeller. >I once sold a guy a brand spankin new Gold Wing for about 13 grand. He got an s-load of accesories, helmets, intercoms, the whole bit. I delivered him his new bike and he took off for the beltway. About twenty minutes later he was back, screaming at me that I could have the bike back. When he was on the beltway the whole passenger seat area had blown off the bike and gotten run over by a car. It took me a week to convince him to keep the bike. __________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "Welcome to MY reality" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 17:37:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17494; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA12988 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:37:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo30.mx.aol.com (known imo30.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.74]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA13083 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:37:33 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WGSMa26166 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <18719c2b.35a3e666@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:36:37 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Coleman Sucks Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 I stopped by there today (woodbridge) for a quick favor from them. The first thing out of the techs mouth was "there are no quick favors". I asked him to take out a bolt that I was having trouble with on the oil cooler. He gets down reluctantly and undoes it with some high power hand wrench. I said thanks......he tells me to hold on a sec. He comes back with a bill for $10!!! I was PISSED. I told him that I had bought that machine there, my latest set of tires, and many other doodads. I wasnt gonna pay one fuckin dime to him to take that bolt out. He just looked at me as I wheeled the bike out of the service bay. A moment later, a guy came in wondering out loud how much they charge for service. I told him "an arm and a leg". He left immediately. Thats where to hit them, in the pocketbook since thats all they seem to care about anyway! Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 17:59:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17704; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA13273 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA13625 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:59:33 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WTSAa20768 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:52:30 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Handlebar vibration fixed Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-07-08 14:00:29 EDT, you write: << Kill your vibes with these big mothers... >> No thanks, I rather enjoy having my hands go to sleep at 6000RPM... Jack PS-tongue in cheek of course From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 18:16:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA17933; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:16:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA13538 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:15:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (known imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14112 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:15:57 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WEAFa29489; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <655c1622.35a3ee83@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:11:14 EDT To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Cc: DC-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Coleman Sucks Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Well I tell you what, Ive been to the one up by ptomac mills only once, that was to buy a filter for my old cb750(still sitting in back of moms garage) and Ive been to the one in falls church too. Ive never had much of a problem with the service guys cause Ive never dealt with them, but the people there take about 15-20minutes of letting you decide if you want to wait any longer before the wait on you. Now, Here is a suggestion for anyone who doesnt mind traveling a few. Up in Brooklyn Park, just south of baltimore, there is a company called Cycle World. I wouldnt buy a bike from em to save my life, but as far as the service guys go, they are great. They have a very knowledgeble staff, all certified. they dont mind if you watch and ask questions, and they know me by name after only going there twice. Now I know it might be a haul for some of you, but I live near annapolis and good service is worth traveling for. Maybe someday I'll have the nerve to crack open the TLR by myself, but not right now, Im gonna get a season or two under her before I mess it up. But seriously, this place is worth going to. I bought my bike at Petes Cycle in Severna Park, but they have a slow turn around rate and charge an arm and a leg. I took my bike up there last night(to CW) at 7pm, and they told me to pick it up around 7 tonight, well here it is 6 and they said to come up and get her. They'd been done for about 2 hours already. WOW. Petes never did that for me. But Pete's does have one of the best Parts guys around. So anyway, Thats my two cents. =) Sean G. Petr 98 Killer TL-R From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 18:24:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA18046; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA13618 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14314 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:24:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WNNFa20769 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <96fa3f42.35a3f085@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:19:48 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: GT Hawk ad from Wash. Post.....anyone still have it? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Much obliged if someone who still has it kicking around would send it to me. TIA -Sean Jordan '83 VF750F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 20:42:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20236; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA14579 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17309 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:41:45 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id UAA25604; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:44:03 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma025590; Wed, 8 Jul 98 20:43:36 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-9 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EVS00BJDXWC0P@XXXXXX>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 8525663C.0003BE0E ; Wed, 08 Jul 1998 20:40:52 -0400 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 20:40:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Coleman Sucks To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Cc: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, DC-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525663C.0003C9CF.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL OK. While we're plugging/bashing dealers, I like to give Freestate Cycle a few kudos. I live in Alex, and travel to Bladensburg to use these guys. Knowledgable service staff, nice sales guys ... I have no idea about bike prices, never bought from them (although I prolly would buy my next one there), but their service rates are *much* less than other shops. To give you an idea how good these guys are: 1) I took the RF there for the major service ... valves, all fluid changed (including fork oil), all adjustments, carb sync, oil, filter, full inspection etc. Cost only ~$300 including parts _and_ I dropped it off on Thurs 5pm, picked it up Fri 5pm. Note, this was around June 20 folks, the height of the riding season. Bike runs excellently. 2) Also talked with them about tires (set of MEZ4s) and they said they would come close to (or match price, plus mounting costs) if I brought them a web page printout. The said they would for sure come in below mail order cost + shipping + mounting. Guess where I am going for tires? 3) Also, when performing the service, they stripped my drain plug bolt. They told me UPFRONT that they did it, apologized, explain how they recut it, wrote it on the service order infront of me, and told me that if I ever had any problems with it, they would fix it for no charge. It's unfortunate that it happened, but I sincerely appreciated their honesty in what seems to be a simple mistake. That alone made them worthy of more business from me. No, I don't work there, or do I know anyone who does, it's just that as easily as I will join in the bashing of a shop that does poorly, I will help recommend or praise the good ones ... --chris PS. They deal in Suzy, Honda, Kawi and Triumph To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX cc: DC-cycles@XXXXXX (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Date: 07/08/98 10:11:14 PM GMT Subject: Re: Coleman Sucks Well I tell you what, Ive been to the one up by ptomac mills only once, that was to buy a filter for my old cb750(still sitting in back of moms garage) and Ive been to the one in falls church too. Ive never had much of a problem with the service guys cause Ive never dealt with them, but the people there take about 15-20minutes of letting you decide if you want to wait any longer before the wait on you. Now, Here is a suggestion for anyone who doesnt mind traveling a few. Up in Brooklyn Park, just south of baltimore, there is a company called Cycle World. I wouldnt buy a bike from em to save my life, but as far as the service guys go, they are great. They have a very knowledgeble staff, all certified. they dont mind if you watch and ask questions, and they know me by name after only going there twice. Now I know it might be a haul for some of you, but I live near annapolis and good service is worth traveling for. Maybe someday I'll have the nerve to crack open the TLR by myself, but not right now, Im gonna get a season or two under her before I mess it up. But seriously, this place is worth going to. I bought my bike at Petes Cycle in Severna Park, but they have a slow turn around rate and charge an arm and a leg. I took my bike up there last night(to CW) at 7pm, and they told me to pick it up around 7 tonight, well here it is 6 and they said to come up and get her. They'd been done for about 2 hours already. WOW. Petes never did that for me. But Pete's does have one of the best Parts guys around. So anyway, Thats my two cents. =) Sean G. 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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 20:49:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20271; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA14668 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17446 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm1-14.dial.nova.org (pm1-14.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.142]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA01459 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:49:36 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coleman Sucks but Freestate doesn't Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 00:36:03 GMT Message-ID: <35a90fb7.1244389657@mailgate.nova.org> References: <8525663C.0003C9CF.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> In-Reply-To: <8525663C.0003C9CF.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 08 Jul 1998 20:40:52 -0400, christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: >OK. While we're plugging/bashing dealers, I like to give Freestate = Cycle a >few kudos. Also, they stock a lot of commonly needed parts for bikes that are raced a lot (e.g., they had more than one right crankcase gasket for Hawk GTs in stock). Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 21:08:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20397; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA14817 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA17691 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.54]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 08 Jul 1998 21:05:44 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Danielle L Howell" , "Nancy H Howell" , "Jason A Howell" , "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Online Driving Instructions Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:06:49 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bdaad5$d9df7be0$3680e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 You have got to see this: http://members.aol.com/doggiesnot/ ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 21:41:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20853; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA15064 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA18087 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.116] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA00526; Wed, 08 Jul 1998 21:41:09 -0400 Message-ID: <35A3D134.507B5015@anent.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 21:06:12 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coleman Sucks References: <18719c2b.35a3e666@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: I told him "an > arm and a leg". He left immediately. > Thats where to hit them, in the pocketbook since thats all they seem to care > about anyway! > > Jack Yeah today when I called the guy in service asked me "what I think they should do for me", to get (win) me back ...I said that I did not think that I wanted them to lay another wrench on my bike after the experiences I've had with them. I said the only thing I know I need right now is a valve adjustment and I don't know that I want it done here , I may just do it myself ; and he still persisted "What do I want them to do for me". like give me a free valve adjustment kinda thing.Well I finally ended the conversation with let me think about it , after talking to him for 20 minutes and emphasizing how piss poor the work has been...and the attitude of the service personnel...... What do you think ??? give them a chance to redeem themselves ??? perhaps with a pair of tires ???? Or let them do a valve adj. ??? Now confused and still pissed ;~( Craig From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 22:27:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21157; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15287 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:27:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18638 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:27:34 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WUYKa17154 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:24:15 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <187200f2.35a429d0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:24:15 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Need Sunstar's number Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Anyone know where I can find the number to Sunstar for a front rotor. Unfortunately, the disk lock demon got me again. Anyway, I want to order direct to save some money. Also, got the bike back from Cycle world today, man, that Tune up made one hell ofa difference. all the lag is gone, and it doesnt lug anymore. Im glad I went with this bike, even though I brought it home in the rain, I could feel the difference from the pre-1st tune-up riding, to after the tune up. Sean G. Petr 98 "Killer TLR" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 22:27:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21162; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:27:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15296 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18641 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:27:49 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WECKa17154 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:19:48 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <41a7f370.35a428c5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:19:48 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Online Driving Instructions Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 That is definately worth checking out. Helped me vent some steam too.. =) Sean G. Petr 98 "Killer TLR" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 22:29:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21169; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15309 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18693 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:29:06 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id FVBGa11468; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:28:24 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <64bac975.35a42ac9@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:28:24 EDT To: peggrinder@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Coleman Sucks Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Just because the guy on the phone was trying to get you back as a customer, doesnt mean the schmucks sticking there tools all up in there will be. they might be mad that you asked for something for free... Trust me, I work on cars all day, and I know how it is when you mess something up and have to do it twice for free. I would just start building raport someplace else. Sean G. Petr 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 22:32:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21205; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15341 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (known camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18741 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (user-38lcmji.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.90.114]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA19542; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:31:50 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDAAC0.3339A320.zellto@mindspring.com> From: "Thomas W.Zell" Reply-To: "zellto@XXXXXX" To: "'Craig'" , "WantAZX6@XXXXXX" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Coleman Sucks Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:31:49 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why not go for both? -Tom -----Original Message----- From: Craig [SMTP:peggrinder@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 4:06 PM To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coleman Sucks WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: I told him "an > arm and a leg". He left immediately. > Thats where to hit them, in the pocketbook since thats all they seem to care > about anyway! > > Jack Yeah today when I called the guy in service asked me "what I think they should do for me", to get (win) me back ...I said that I did not think that I wanted them to lay another wrench on my bike after the experiences I've had with them. I said the only thing I know I need right now is a valve adjustment and I don't know that I want it done here , I may just do it myself ; and he still persisted "What do I want them to do for me". like give me a free valve adjustment kinda thing.Well I finally ended the conversation with let me think about it , after talking to him for 20 minutes and emphasizing how piss poor the work has been...and the attitude of the service personnel...... What do you think ??? give them a chance to redeem themselves ??? perhaps with a pair of tires ???? Or let them do a valve adj. ??? Now confused and still pissed ;~( Craig From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 22:43:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21357; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15473 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18892 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:43:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id WAA10555; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:42:15 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:42:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: Just Returned Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just returned from my Honeymoon and the 1st message I read is "Coleman Sucks" It seems that was the thread when I left over a week ago. Some things will NEVER change! :-) -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 23:25:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21924; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 23:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15750 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 23:25:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19542 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 23:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr53-dialup4.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0EVT00FVJ5HIKK@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 03:24:56 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 23:23:17 -0700 From: Dawn & Jon Subject: Re: Vacuum gauge....PLEASE To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <011101bdab02$112eb580$04f037a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 -----Original Message----- From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 8:57 PM Subject: Vacuum gauge....PLEASE >Does anyone have a vacuum gauge? Its the little thing you use for carb >syncing..... >or throttle body sync in this case. Does anyone have one that I may borrow >for a short time so I can sync my throttle bodies? Id be happy to pick it up. >Just dont want to pay $140 for the dealer to do it. > >Thanks >Jack Jack, I have one you can borrow. You could even sync. them here if you want. 8^D Love to hear a TL.......... I'm up in Colombia. It will have to be after 5pm. Jon 410-799-5888 dawn.jon@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 00:16:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA22654; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16806 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20319 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:16:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.43]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 09 Jul 1998 00:13:25 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Craig" , Cc: Subject: RE: Coleman Sucks Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:14:32 -0400 Message-ID: <000701bdaaf0$13311a60$2b80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <35A3D134.507B5015@anent.com> Craig, Get a free pair of tires out of 'em. Or one. Look at the arrow and make sure they mount it correctly. Make sure the calipers are on correctly. Never darken their door again. When an auto mechanic botches something, it's usually an inconvenience. On a bike, it can easily create a life or death situation. One mistake is one too many. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 00:19:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA22722; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16841 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20369 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.43]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 09 Jul 1998 00:16:32 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Need Sunstar's number Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:17:39 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bdaaf0$82994e40$2b80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <187200f2.35a429d0@aol.com> Can't help you with Sunstar, but for the lock, you might want to get one of those 'Remove Before Flight' banners. Stick it into your ignition lock after putting the u-lock on the rotor. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 01:24:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA23459; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 01:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA17244 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 01:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA21095 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 01:24:26 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WXINa17153 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 01:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <92ce7063.35a453af@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 01:22:54 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: a ride to US250 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 I'm interested in riding on US250, but I'm not exactly sure of how to get there. I want to get some experience on this road and see what I think of it a coupe times before the trip in August. I was thinking of heading down there either Saturday or Sunday morning. I have a commitment Saturday at 4PM so I also need to know how long of a ride it is. Any info is appreciated!! Thanks in advance!! P.S. I'm coming from Frederick, MD and my commitment Saturday is in Oxon Hill, MD. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 85 Nighthawk 450 (buy me, please!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 07:22:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA26346; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:22:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA19624 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA24502 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id HAA20203; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:20:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:20:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: George Howell cc: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Need Sunstar's number In-Reply-To: <000801bdaaf0$82994e40$2b80e2cf@ghowell> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A 35 mm film canister can also be used when cut appropriately. Put it over the iginigion when the lock is ona nd cut holes in it to put it over the U-lock when the lock is not in use. On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, George Howell wrote: > Can't help you with Sunstar, but for the lock, you might want to get one of > those 'Remove Before Flight' banners. Stick it into your ignition lock after > putting the u-lock on the rotor. > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 08:20:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26980; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20037 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25680 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:20:25 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170E03@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: 'Stich armor revisited.. Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:18:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ok.. I washed and attempted the waterproof my 'Stich last night.. pulled the armor out and the padding part was getting a little ragged, but it wasn't cracked or anything. Washed the suit with Nikwax non-detergent wash stuff.. then put on some sort of spray and threw it in the drier. I can, um, say it's clean now.. (I forgot my balistic patches were grey!).. then I ripped my pads to shreds putting the armor back into the pockets.. so I suspect I'll be buying some new ones. Sheesh.. I should just left well enough alone and bought some Camp Dry - oh, my suit shrunk to boot, so now it's to tight in the shoulders.. I'm just not going to win, am I? Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 08:59:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27320; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20377 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:59:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26362 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by kcgw1.att.com; Thu Jul 9 07:59 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id HAA03487 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:59:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDAB17.DEEF8AC0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:59:24 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'cfagan@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Suzuki Usa Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:59:23 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Collin, When my fork seals started leaking on my Bandit, I wrote Suzuki & told them that I thought it should be covered under warranty. I was surprised when I *actually* received a call from them and we discussed the situation. The warranty rep on the phone first called the shop, (Cycle Sport), and asked the service manager what the situation was. According to the service manager, there was evidence found, (dirt in the oil), when doing the repair that indicated an outside cause for the failure, therefore it would not be covered under warranty. After the rep told me that I said that there wasn't anymore *he* could do so I guess in the end I was satisfied. THE POINT --> it should be worth you time to write to Suzuki, if nothing more than to vent. Unfortunately, I don't have the address anymore since I now have a VFR. (Questions anyone? he he) A quick note to the Suzuki list will get it if you need it. Let me know. Good luck. John Carver '98 VFR GO RIDE!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 09:22:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27509; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21125 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:22:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26806 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA23528 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:23:12 -0400 Message-ID: <35A4C3EE.96DF215B@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 09:21:50 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Coleman Sucks (response in their defense) References: <655c1622.35a3ee83@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been buying most of my parts at Cycles Woodbridge since '86 or so. I've only had service done once (unless you count batteries). Chris in accessories and Coop in parts both know me by name, and have for several years. (So does Richard, but he doesn't work there anymore) I have never had a problem with them. In some cases their parts are more expensive, but with the 15% discount, they're back down to about the same as everyone else. I've also had them take more off for tires when I brought an ad in from a mail order place. As I recall, they split the difference, but they had the tire so I didn't have to wait. If you don't know the people you deal with, they won't want to make a special deal for you. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 09:51:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27861; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21319 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27538 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:51:41 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id JAA06549 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for DC-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:50:57 -0400 Message-Id: <199807091350.JAA06549@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:50:57 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:50:57 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:50:57 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 9:44:09 -0400 Subject: Coleman Sucks (response in their defense) To: mrider@XXXXXX Cc: DC-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35A4C3EE.96DF215B@illuminet.net> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME hmm...let me get this straight..since you're such a good buddy with them, they "give" you a 15% discount so "they're back down to about the same as everyone else"... ...is it just me or is this just the stupidest "consumer compliment" I've ever heard? > I've been buying most of my parts at Cycles Woodbridge since '86 or so. > I've only had service done once (unless you count batteries). Chris in > accessories and Coop in parts both know me by name, and have for several > years. (So does Richard, but he doesn't work there anymore) I have > never had a problem with them. In some cases their parts are more > expensive, but with the 15% discount, they're back down to about the > same as everyone else. I've also had them take more off for tires when > I brought an ad in from a mail order place. As I recall, they split the > difference, but they had the tire so I didn't have to wait. > > If you don't know the people you deal with, they won't want to make a > special deal for you. > > Leon. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 10:02:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27988; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21471 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27842 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:02:21 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WXSHa19317 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19250309.35a4cd1a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:00:57 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Coleman Sucks (response in their defense) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-07-09 09:56:47 EDT, you write: << hmm...let me get this straight..since you're such a good buddy with them, they "give" you a 15% discount so "they're back down to about the same as everyone else"... ...is it just me or is this just the stupidest "consumer compliment" I've ever heard? >> Id agree. And the rest of us just get hosed, right? I really wish we had a better selection of dealers around here. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 10:09:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28063; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21977 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28023 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 308; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:09:19 -0400 Message-ID: <35A4CF22.6CA06C60@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 10:09:38 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Coleman Sucks (response in their defense) References: <655c1622.35a3ee83@aol.com> <35A4C3EE.96DF215B@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 15%??? I get a 10% since I bought the Concours from them, how does one reach the lofty 15% level? :) FWIW, I think most of Coleman's complaints stem from their Service dept, and in most cases I think it is justified. I'd be extremely reluctant to let them touch my bike again, but I'm fortunate enough to have either enough knowledge and/or lack of fear to work on my bike myself. They stock a lot of parts (I found lots of stuff for my 20+ year old bikes there, ON THE SHELF, and they do have some neat accessories. Prices are high(er), but sometimes I'll pay for the instant availability. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 -- Leon Begeman wrote: > > I've been buying most of my parts at Cycles Woodbridge since '86 or so. > I've only had service done once (unless you count batteries). Chris in > accessories and Coop in parts both know me by name, and have for several > years. (So does Richard, but he doesn't work there anymore) I have > never had a problem with them. In some cases their parts are more > expensive, but with the 15% discount, they're back down to about the > same as everyone else. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 10:16:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28122; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22426 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28182 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:16:28 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WMPQa13456 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7e001730.35a4d098@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:15:51 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Suzuki Usa Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 167 In a message dated 7/9/98 09:08:14 Eastern Daylight Time, jcarver@XXXXXX writes: << According to the service manager, there was evidence found, (dirt in the oil), when doing the repair that indicated an outside cause for the failure, therefore it would not be covered under warranty. >> It strikes me that one of the purposes of the fork seal is to keep dirt OUT of the oil. The mere presence of dirt would indicate a seal failure (and covered under warranty). Michael (also a victim of Suzuki fork seal failure) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 10:36:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28368; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23267 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28846 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:36:19 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170E0A@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: DC Cycles List Subject: Discounts..WAS: Coleman Sucks Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:34:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Weird.. I pay 10% over the shops price on everything I buy.. only been going to my shop for a little over a year. I'm on a first name basis with everyone there, can walk down into the service area without any problem - heck, when I'm trying on helmets or something, just just hand me the keys... I've also spent several thousands of dollars there.. including tires (they know I could save $20 a tire) - but I believe in the local shop... For all my efforts, I'm getting my newest big purchase, which is a set of rotors (front) through them. I need them kinda bad (mine miked out at .24 - tolerances allow for .4 - plus I can see some cracks) - they listed in the book for $160 apiece.. I paid $250 shipped, with a guarentee they'll be here Monday (any quicker and we'd be paying more in shipping than for the rotors themselves). It's nice having a good reputation with a shop.. and you know, I think Freestate's the only other shop I've been to or heard of locally that iis, or sounds, even remotely capable of dealing with my business.. But I'm just one man, with one opinion.. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman Sent: Thursday, July 09, 1998 10:10 AM To: Leon Begeman; DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Coleman Sucks (response in their defense) 15%??? I get a 10% since I bought the Concours from them, how does one reach the lofty 15% level? :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 10:43:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28438; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23464 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ice.clark.net (known ice.clark.net [168.143.0.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29074 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by ice.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA20134 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:44:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA18447 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807091443.KAA18447@shell.clark.net> Subject: Bambi is still out there... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:43:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text From: G2V@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:55:21 EDT Subject: LDRider: Home Resting Semi Comfortable George, hope your are recovering well. Would it be alright to forward your message to the DC-Cycles list, as we ride out in that area sometimes? Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/~louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 VCOM | 7th Place, Capitol 1000 louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 11:20:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28912; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24524 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:20:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ice.clark.net (known mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00472 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by ice.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA21425 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:21:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26639 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807091520.LAA26639@shell.clark.net> Subject: Sorry about the message To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:20:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Whoops, sorry about the message, I was going to forward this guy's story about a run in with a deer, but then thought I'd ask him first. I forgot to change the addressing of the message. Louis > George, hope your are recovering well. Would it be alright to forward > your message to the DC-Cycles list, as we ride out in that area sometimes? > > Louis > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/~louis/cycle.htm > Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 VCOM | 7th Place, Capitol 1000 > louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 11:22:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28958; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24545 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00525 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:22:42 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WZGTa04161 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19254a85.35a4e01a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:21:49 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Coleman Sucks Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 In a message dated 98-07-08 17:47:50 EDT, WantAZX6@XXXXXX writes: > Thats where to hit them, in the pocketbook since thats all they seem to care > about anyway! For some reason I seem to do better with them. Maybe its because I don't expect much. I took a girl down to the mall last weekend and ran out of gas right in front of Colemans in Falls Church. After a lame joke about running out of gas on a date I pushed/coasted into Colemans and they fixed me up with gas no problem. No charge either. Some sales guy did remind me to buy my next new bike there and it turns out they use mid-grade instead of high test but I couldn't complain. Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 11:31:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29073; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24664 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00779 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA27230; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:31:47 -0400 Message-ID: <35A4E211.46867EF4@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 11:30:25 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: NJitzul@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: a ride to US250 References: <92ce7063.35a453af@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's a pretty aggressive plan. US250 is a long way away from both your start and end points. To finish by 4PM, and have a couple of hours for stops you'd need to start not later than 5AM Here's one option that will let you get it done. The route is 470 miles total, 190 miles are on on US250 and US219 the rest are mostly on Interstate. (5AM) I70 West to Hancock, MD and (6AM) I68 West to Exit 14 and (7AM) US219 South to Elkins, WV and (9 or 10 AM)US250 East Follow US 250 to Staunton, VA (NLT 1PM) I81 North to Exit 300 (NLT 2:15) I-66 East to Capitol Beltway (NLT 3:15) I-495 South across Wilson Bridge to Oxon Hill Arrive 4PM in Oxon Hill. If you need to be able to think or be sociable when you arrive in Oxon Hill, you should reconsider this route. Leon. NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > > I'm interested in riding on US250, but I'm not exactly sure of how to get > there. I want to get some experience on this road and see what I think of it a > coupe times before the trip in August. I was thinking of heading down there > either Saturday or Sunday morning. I have a commitment Saturday at 4PM so I > also need to know how long of a ride it is. Any info is appreciated!! Thanks > in advance!! > > P.S. I'm coming from Frederick, MD and my commitment Saturday is in Oxon Hill, > MD. > > Robert VanSlyke > 83 Shadow 750 > 85 Nighthawk 450 (buy me, please!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 11:51:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29269; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24991 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01304 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA11169 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:51:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: a ride to US250 In-Reply-To: <35A4E211.46867EF4@illuminet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Leon Begeman wrote: > That's a pretty aggressive plan. US250 is a long way away from both > your start and end points. To finish by 4PM, and have a couple of hours > for stops you'd need to start not later than 5AM I don't think quite such an ambitious plan is required. If you'd like a nice full day of riding that plan works. If you'd just like to sample US250 then take the interstates down there, take US250 as far west as necessary to ride the twisties (it's pretty obvious when you've hit the right point), and then turn around and get back on the interstates. No, it wouldn't make for the most enjoyable day of riding but it would do the trick if you're just wanting to try out a good section of twisties on a limited time schedule. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 11:58:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29332; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25100 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01496 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA28016; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:58:53 -0400 Message-ID: <35A4E867.9D3CB7C@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 11:57:27 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Coleman Sucks (response in their defense) References: <655c1622.35a3ee83@aol.com> <35A4C3EE.96DF215B@illuminet.net> <35A4CF22.6CA06C60@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just waited and spent a lot of money. Maybe you could ask for it. Leon. Dale Horstman wrote: > > 15%??? I get a 10% since I bought the Concours from > them, how does one reach the lofty 15% level? :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 12:11:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29868; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:11:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25583 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02315 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA11542 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:11:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Weekend trip, Aug 8-10 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Here's some more banter between Ursulina and I that I thought might be useful for others to consider. Also, I'm pretty sure that we'll have some locals to tag along/lead. I spoke with Bill Sowers (HSTA director for WV/VA) and he's interested. He lives right in Princeton and is the one who turned me on to the area. I'm trying to get him to lead the normal group. He knows the area quite intimately. Kirk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:02:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: "Viteri, Ursulina" Subject: RE: Twisties On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > Thanks Kirk! I've been chatting with Anita and we're going to get in as > much twisty riding as we can before August. If, for some reason, I just > don't feel up to the challenge of 3 days of riding this way, I'll let > everyone know. Again, thanks for the advice. :-) There are other options besides just not coming. They included using the highway to get to and/or to leave Princeton (about a 6 hour highway ride), riding down with the group on the twisty roads (there will be a lot of not twisty riding on the way to/from Princeton, too) but then resting on Sunday and then riding back with the group, etc. I think there are enough potential options to make the trip reasonably comfortable for most people, including you! Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 12:19:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29958; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25823 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send101.yahoomail.com (known send101.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.87]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02540 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980709161848.22547.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send101.yahoomail.com; Thu, 09 Jul 1998 09:18:48 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:18:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Johnston Subject: Re: Coleman Sucks (response in their defense) To: Leon Begeman , Dale Horstman Cc: DC Cycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---Leon Begeman wrote: > > I just waited and spent a lot of money. > Leon. > > Dale Horstman wrote: how does one reach the lofty 15% level? :) > Dont forget to take that jar of vasoline with you ... _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 12:51:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00377; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27238 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:51:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03498 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:51:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807091651.MAA03498@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A4DF11501AC; Thu, 09 Jul 1998 12:50:39 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 12:41:50 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: D.C. Police Win Motorcycle Competition Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" from http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/m-district.html D.C. Police Win Motorcycle Competition Five members of the special operations division of the D.C. police department won first place in the fourth annual Northeast police motorcycle safety competition, held last month in Teaneck, N.J. The winning team comprised Lt. Eric J. Mines and Officers Victor Young, Kim Allen, John P. McArdle and Marcus Boddie. The team competed against motorcycle officers from 25 agencies in the Northeast region of the country. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 13:01:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00526; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28275 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03769 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:00:44 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id SXUQa13455; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <72dd8673.35a4f6f3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:58:50 EDT To: kirk@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: a ride to US250 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Except for inclement weather, I always enjoy riding! Highways and interstates are fine by me. I grew up doing long road trips, so they don't faze me :) I'm going to ride on Sunday anyway, so I can experience some roads other than just US 250. Thanks! Robert VanSlyke From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 14:01:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01435; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02511 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05546 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA28276; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:01:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:01:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: Chris Norloff cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: D.C. Police Win Motorcycle Competition In-Reply-To: <199807091651.MAA03498@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Guess they get to use the Harleys now, and don't have to play with those Honday 250 NightHawks! :) n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Chris Norloff wrote: > from http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/m-district.html > > D.C. Police Win Motorcycle Competition > > Five members of the special > operations division of the D.C. police department won > first place in the > fourth annual Northeast police motorcycle safety > competition, held last > month in Teaneck, N.J. The winning team comprised Lt. > Eric J. Mines > and Officers Victor Young, Kim Allen, John P. McArdle and > Marcus > Boddie. The team competed against motorcycle officers > from 25 > agencies in the Northeast region of the country. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 14:09:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01530; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02663 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05853 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:09:25 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id CHMBa13456; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7d5744ee.35a5070b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:08:10 EDT To: falcor@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: D.C. Police Win Motorcycle Competition Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Makes you wonder if it was the Honda 250 Nighthawks that helped? :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 15:27:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03248; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09694 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ice.clark.net (known ice.clark.net [168.143.0.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09044 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by ice.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA25778 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:28:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA27421 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:27:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807091927.PAA27421@shell.clark.net> Subject: Deer in Loudon County To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:27:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Here's a reminder that Bambi is still in the area, and still playing chicken with motorcycles (and other vehicles). George, hope you're back on two wheels soon! Louis ------------------------------------------------------------------- From: G2V@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:55:21 EDT Subject: LDRider: Home Resting Semi Comfortable > Louis, > > Thanks for the kind words. Feel free to forward to anyone you like. > You might also pass on what the officer told me. There are over 2000 deer > related accidents in Loudoun county each year. Scary huh? > > Take care, > George To All: In case the news hasn't reached you yet it's true, after 20+ years of motorcycling I was involved in my first motorcycle accident. First the good news, I'm home resting (semi) comfortably. Now the bad, I have a fractured right clavicle (shoulder) and right scapula (bone in the back) plus a badly sprained ankle not to mention lots of skin abrasions (road rash) on my right shoulder, both elbows and both knees. I'm very fortunate to have only received these injuries considering the type of accident. Now, here are the facts about the accident. I was on my way to work Thursday morning July 2nd riding my Honda Goldwing. I was traveling my favorite back road R772 Ashburn Rd. from Ashburn (home) to Chantilly (office) at a speed of approximately 60-mph. This particular road is a wooded two-lane country road with no painted lines on it. I came out of a sweeping right hand turn and was accelerating when a deer decided that it needed to cross the road. The deer jumped from the woods to my right and I can't tell you if it hit the ground or my front end first. I remember looking directly into the left eye of the deer that was staring back at me, I think we both said oh sh__. After impact the bike lurched hard to the left then violently back to the right. At this point I went airborne, unfortunately I didn't clear the bike cleanly. From the look of the bike it appears I hit the left side mirror with my right shoulder on the dismount. I believe this is what broke my clavicle. The next thing to hit was the top of my head on the road (thank God for helmets). Then I proceeded to bounce and roll finally coming to a stop on all fours on the edge of the road. I remember very clearly not being able to breathe, so I rolled over on my back. All I could think at this point this was just my luck I survived the accident only to suffocate on the side of the road. I never lost consciousness during the entire ordeal, which is a good thing so you can tell rescue workers where it hurts but a bad thing because your brain starts acting very strange. It's funny what was going through my mind at this point. My first thought was that I wasn't going to be found for awhile since this is a low traffic road. Then my second thought was that since I was laying on the edge of the road that somebody was going to run me over. Less than a minute went by before somebody stopped and was kneeling beside me. He told me over and over again that I was going to be ok and that I didn't look that bad. Then I saw a lady on a portable cell phone trying to describe my condition to 911. She looked at my face and her eyes got as big as silver dollars she quickly turned around and walked out of view. It was that moment that I realized how my face must have looked and that the guy had been lying to me. Only a few minutes passed before you could hear the sirens from the rescue vehicles. The rescue workers started assessing my injuries and seemed surprised at how lucid I was. They quickly prepared me for transport put me in the ambulance for a short trip to meet the Medstar helicopter. Medstar flew me to Fairfax trauma center at Fairfax Hospital. Once inside the trauma unit the workers started doing their thing. After lots of x-rays, seven stitches (five under my left eye and two under my right) and several bottles of antibiotic cleaning solution they finally admitted me for overnight observation. I was released the next afternoon and now I'm home. I will return next Friday to get my stitches removed and then they will let me know how much longer I will need to remain home. Bambi (which I've named Kenny) on the other hand didn't fare as well. She managed to get stuck between my front tire and the faring and slid the entire distance with the bike. She is now doing her part to feed the local critters. I'll keep you posted on my progress; all things considered I don't feel that bad right now. George Vensko The Deer Hunter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 16:16:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04362; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13140 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA11080 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:16:25 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id QAA03855 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:15:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199807092015.QAA03855@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:15:36 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:15:36 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:15:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:13:58 -0400 Subject: Deer in Loudon County To: louis@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199807091927.PAA27421@shell.clark.net> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME George - hang in there..hope you get well soon...it's a good thing you were on a Winger or you might be with Bambi right now chewing her out...we have alot of deer in the Herndon area also and I've become especially careful going around blind corners since I saw three of them just standing in the road one day when I came around a blind corner in my cage. Just barely missed them, but the strange thing was that I had to _go_around_them_...they didn't every *try* to move...scary... -aki > > Here's a reminder that Bambi is still in the area, and still playing > chicken with motorcycles (and other vehicles). > > George, hope you're back on two wheels soon! > > Louis > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: G2V@XXXXXX > Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:55:21 EDT > Subject: LDRider: Home Resting Semi Comfortable > > > Louis, > > > > Thanks for the kind words. Feel free to forward to anyone you like. > > You might also pass on what the officer told me. There are over 2000 deer > > related accidents in Loudoun county each year. Scary huh? > > > > Take care, > > George > > To All: > > In case the news hasn't reached you yet it's true, after 20+ years of > motorcycling I was involved in my first motorcycle accident. First the good > news, I'm home resting (semi) comfortably. Now the bad, I have a fractured > right clavicle (shoulder) and right scapula (bone in the back) plus a badly > sprained ankle not to mention lots of skin abrasions (road rash) on my right > shoulder, both elbows and both knees. I'm very fortunate to have only > received these injuries considering the type of accident. > > Now, here are the facts about the accident. I was on my way to work Thursday > morning July 2nd riding my Honda Goldwing. I was traveling my favorite back > road R772 Ashburn Rd. from Ashburn (home) to Chantilly (office) at a speed of > approximately 60-mph. This particular road is a wooded two-lane country road > with no painted lines on it. I came out of a sweeping right hand turn and was > accelerating when a deer decided that it needed to cross the road. The deer > jumped from the woods to my right and I can't tell you if it hit the ground or > my front end first. I remember looking directly into the left eye of the deer > that was staring back at me, I think we both said oh sh__. After impact the > bike lurched hard to the left then violently back to the right. At this point > I went airborne, unfortunately I didn't clear the bike cleanly. From the look > of the bike it appears I hit the left side mirror with my right shoulder on > the dismount. I believe this is what broke my clavicle. The next thing to > hit was the top of my head on the road (thank God for helmets). Then I > proceeded to bounce and roll finally coming to a stop on all fours on the edge > of the road. I remember very clearly not being able to breathe, so I rolled > over on my back. All I could think at this point this was just my luck I > survived the accident only to suffocate on the side of the road. I never lost > consciousness during the entire ordeal, which is a good thing so you can tell > rescue workers where it hurts but a bad thing because your brain starts acting > very strange. It's funny what was going through my mind at this point. My > first thought was that I wasn't going to be found for awhile since this is a > low traffic road. Then my second thought was that since I was laying on the > edge of the road that somebody was going to run me over. Less than a minute > went by before somebody stopped and was kneeling beside me. He told me over > and over again that I was going to be ok and that I didn't look that bad. > Then I saw a lady on a portable cell phone trying to describe my condition to > 911. She looked at my face and her eyes got as big as silver dollars she > quickly turned around and walked out of view. It was that moment that I > realized how my face must have looked and that the guy had been lying to me. > Only a few minutes passed before you could hear the sirens from the rescue > vehicles. The rescue workers started assessing my injuries and seemed > surprised at how lucid I was. They quickly prepared me for transport put me > in the ambulance for a short trip to meet the Medstar helicopter. Medstar > flew me to Fairfax trauma center at Fairfax Hospital. Once inside the trauma > unit the workers started doing their thing. After lots of x-rays, seven > stitches (five under my left eye and two under my right) and several bottles > of antibiotic cleaning solution they finally admitted me for overnight > observation. I was released the next afternoon and now I'm home. I will > return next Friday to get my stitches removed and then they will let me know > how much longer I will need to remain home. Bambi (which I've named Kenny) on > the other hand didn't fare as well. She managed to get stuck between my front > tire and the faring and slid the entire distance with the bike. She is now > doing her part to feed the local critters. > > I'll keep you posted on my progress; all things considered I don't feel that > bad right now. > > George Vensko > The Deer Hunter > > > Content-Type: text > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 16:17:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04371; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13234 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oasys.dt.navy.mil (known oasys.dt.navy.mil [130.46.1.53]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA11103 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bayview.dt.navy.mil by oasys.dt.navy.mil (5.61/oasys.dt.navy.mil) id AA27673; Thu, 9 Jul 98 16:14:32 EDT Received: from Spooler by BAYVIEW.DT.NAVY.MIL (Mercury/32 v2.11); 9 Jul 98 13:15:03 -0800 Received: from spooler by bayview.dt.navy.mil (Mercury/32 v2.10); 9 Jul 98 13:14:58 -0800 Received: from vrc_server (157.187.160.22) by BAYVIEW (Mercury/32 v2.11); 9 Jul 98 13:14:50 -0800 From: "Bruce Dimon" To: "Linda Tanner" , "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Failing to see bikers Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:14:10 -0700 Message-Id: <001801bdab76$23bb9af0$16a0bb9d@vrc_server.verticalreality> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <000401bda951$d8145c20$3f6f29a6@LJTanner.mci.com> Importance: Normal Of all the places I have ridden, the Metro D.C. area drivers are most likely to "not see you." Actually, I do not believe that they do not see you on the road. Rather I am convinced that they don't give a damn about any vehicle that is not big enough to flatten their car. They "see" the big trucks and sport-utilities. They ignore the little cars and bikes. There's something about the self-important D.C. Yuppies that makes them drive without care or responsibility. Bruce Breidfjord Dimon, Senior Programmer/Analyst A&T Engineering Technologies, VECTOR Research Division Work: 208-683-2080, FAX: 208-683-2036 Work: dimon@XXXXXX Home: Bruce_Dimon@XXXXXX Northern Idaho, The Land of Lakes and Lattes! > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Tanner [mailto:linda.tanner@XXXXXX] > One interesting observation. I rode 6995.9 miles without one car or truck > failing to see me. It was mostly rural riding but not all. We > rode through > a bunch of big towns like Denver, St. Louis, Kansas City etc and > never once > did I get run out of my spot. I didn't even have to honk (pitiful sound > that it is) once. I get with 200 yards of my house and a Volvo station > wagon comes very close to hitting me head on because he's cutting a corner > that I'm trying to negotiate (and I was hugging the curb). I stopped and > stared at him while he wasn't even looking where he was going. Sobering. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 19:54:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA07669; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 19:54:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA19802 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 19:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18354 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 19:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm1-17.dial.nova.org (pm1-17.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.145]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA19408 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 19:54:10 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS: Motoport cordura pants Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 23:54:07 GMT Message-ID: <35aa56d2.1327350465@mailgate.nova.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Motoport Canyon pants; size medium (basically 30/30); hardly worn (I no longer have a 30" waist...); knee and hip armor; quasi kidney belt; 2 front pockets in normal position for pants pockets; 1 front pocket on thigh; black; lycra on rear of calf for tight fit These pants look to be quite crash worthy (better than the matching Canyon jacket, I think). I'm asking $125/obo. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 20:03:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA07745; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 20:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19954 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 20:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA18521 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 20:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm1-17.dial.nova.org (pm1-17.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.145]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA19544 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 20:03:19 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FS: Motoport cordura pants Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:03:16 GMT Message-ID: <35b059f5.1328154210@mailgate.nova.org> References: <35aa56d2.1327350465@mailgate.nova.org> In-Reply-To: <35aa56d2.1327350465@mailgate.nova.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 09 Jul 1998 23:54:07 GMT, kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) wrote: >Motoport Canyon pants; size medium (basically 30/30); hardly worn (I >no longer have a 30" waist...); knee and hip armor; quasi kidney belt; >2 front pockets in normal position for pants pockets; 1 front pocket >on thigh; black; lycra on rear of calf for tight fit > >These pants look to be quite crash worthy (better than the matching >Canyon jacket, I think). > >I'm asking $125/obo. Oops, it looks like you can get these pants directly from Motoport (www.motoport.com/products.htm) for just $145. In light of that let me change my price to $100... Methinks I got taken when I bought them initially. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 21:28:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA08384; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 21:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA21080 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 21:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19798 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 21:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (207-172-40-167.s167.tnt11.ann.erols.com [207.172.40.167]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA13111 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 21:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A54C8F.6C6B@erols.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 19:04:47 -0400 From: Tim Morrow Reply-To: tomorrow@XXXXXX Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS: Suzuki VX800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For sale: 1991 Suzuki VX800. Pristine, original condition, garaged. Stock except for Progressive Suspension front fork springs and Progressive shocks. Metzeler MeZ2 radial tires. SBS brake pads. 33k mostly highway miles. Dark blue (verging on black). Metro Washington D.C. area. Never down, never wrecked, always serviced, synthetic oil. MSF instructor owned since 1994 (bought with 8,900 miles on it). $1,700 (reduced $950 off AMA price guide because of above average mileage) Please reply off-list if interested. You can also call me at (703)430-4950 or 421-1376 at home, or (703)453-3753 at work. Tim From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 22:39:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08908; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA22610 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20936 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p27dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.59]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA07797; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:39:02 -0400 Message-ID: <006901bdabab$f1291280$3bf31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Craig" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: Saturday 7/11 ride WAS Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:39:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Let's do a saturday 8am departure from 66 Rest Area. Glenn, Kirk, Sean S., Tom T., Bruce, Tom M., Sean P., Leon, Jack, etc.....anybody interested? Craig please call me tomorrow evening at 301 252-5932 or 301 806-1024 and let me know if Saturday works for you and others. I won't have access to a phone line (other than those cell numbers) for a modem until early next week. If its just you and me, we'll find a more convenient meeting spot. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Craig To: Thomas H. Gimer Date: Thursday, July 09, 1998 9:33 PM Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? >None, other than I WANT TO RIDE......Lets come up with something by tomorrow >(friday) by 3:00pm I have to go into work early tomorrow so i'll be out of the >office by 3:00 > >Thomas H. Gimer wrote: > >> Likewise. Any Saturday plans on your mind....that route last week was >> excellent, and it can be shortened if anybody's schedule needs it to. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 23:05:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09075; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 23:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22782 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 23:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21279 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 23:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 09 Jul 1998 23:02:29 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Frank Artes" , "Chris Norloff" Cc: Subject: RE: D.C. Police Win Motorcycle Competition Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 23:03:11 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdabaf$461eebe0$2d80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > Guess they get to use the Harleys now, and don't have to play with those > Honday 250 NightHawks! :) Not so sure about that. Saw about a million of those little gnats buzzing around DC on July 4th, with nary a HD in sight. Not to mention the guy on the GSXR-750 who needs to learn a thing or two about RT:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 23:58:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09436; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 23:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA24128 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 23:58:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (known imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21915 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 23:58:31 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 7YHa012329; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 23:57:43 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <8f1f8284.35a59138@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 23:57:43 EDT To: ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: D.C. Police Win Motorcycle Competition Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 I think the Hondas are a good choice for the police. Especially the 250s for the inner city cops. Good power, great mileage, highly reliable, and excellent maneuverability. What more could you want in a bike that gets driven in traffic all the time? Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 85 Nighthawk 450 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 00:13:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA10042; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA25015 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA22097 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.33]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:10:32 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: Cc: Subject: RE: D.C. Police Win Motorcycle Competition Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:11:27 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdabb8$cf5f3fa0$2180e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8f1f8284.35a59138@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > I think the Hondas are a good choice for the police. Especially > the 250s for > the inner city cops. Good power, great mileage, highly reliable, > and excellent > maneuverability. What more could you want in a bike that gets driven in > traffic all the time? Personally, I think they'd be better served by an F650, KLR, or some other type of super motard or DP bike. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 00:33:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA10426; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA25745 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (known imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA22648 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:33:13 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 7XWBa12330; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:32:30 EDT To: ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: D.C. Police Win Motorcycle Competition Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Maybe, but they still have an image to uphold. I think a dual sport bike would give them a bad image. And also, people might actually try to steal one of those! They're not going to be curb jumping or anything like that anyway. I guess when it comes down too it, the police, for their own reasons, have chosen what they have. Robert VanSlyke From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 08:08:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15314; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07122 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27861 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA21071; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <34CXXD23>; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:09:30 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F2879@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'George Howell'" , NJitzul@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: D.C. Police Win Motorcycle Competition Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:09:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Not familiar with the F650, but the other DP bikes would probably not be suited to most of the jobs the cops on the 250's do. Most of the 250's I've seen around town are doing the SLJ's like parking and traffic control, while the bigger HD's (some with sidecar rigs) are doing normal patrols. The DP bikes have some advantages, but they would limit who could be a biker cop due to the excessive seat height. Those little 250's are awesome little machines for tooling around town. > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, July 10, 1998 7:55 AM > To: NJitzul@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: D.C. Police Win Motorcycle Competition > > > Personally, I think they'd be better served by an F650, KLR, or some other > type of super motard or DP bike. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 08:41:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15603; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07513 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28453 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA25389 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:42:16 -0400 Message-ID: <35A60BCE.99EA6032@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:40:46 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC Motor officer bikes. Was: rodeo References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't understand what you mean by 'image.' I know the ad copy says you meet the nicest people on a Honda, but what image do dirt bikers have? Aren't they just surfer guys who live too far from the water? (no wait, that's squids) How would one get to the scene of an in-town incident on a police bike without "curb jumping?" Cheap might be a bigger reason for the Honda's rather than D-P bikes. They could probably buy and equip 3 Honda Nighthawks for the price of one F-650 BMW. Leon. NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > > Maybe, but they still have an image to uphold. I think a dual sport bike would > give them a bad image. And also, people might actually try to steal one of > those! They're not going to be curb jumping or anything like that anyway. I > guess when it comes down too it, the police, for their own reasons, have > chosen what they have. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 09:24:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16170; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08779 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29404 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:24:08 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id JAA17353 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:23:56 -0400 Message-Id: <199807101323.JAA17353@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:23:56 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:23:56 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:23:56 -0400 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 9:21:33 -0400 Subject: anybody on this list ride a yellow Triumph? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35A60BCE.99EA6032@illuminet.net> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME anyone on this list ride a yellow Triumpha Daytona out of Reston this morning? -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 09:29:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16206; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08929 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:28:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1c.yahoomail.com (known send1c.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29531 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980710133051.26077.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send1c; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 06:30:50 PDT Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 06:30:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Saturday Ride To: Dysart@XXXXXX, cbr600twt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX, bnorton@XXXXXX, jckozyn@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well here it is Friday and no plans have been made ;~( How about it Glenn...Kirk...Tom t...Bruce...John...??? Tom Gimer said he wants to go, and anyone else lets hear it..... How about a jaunt towards 211 then hit 810 and heads towards Croyset(sp?) Bruce knows some good roads down there... And I would be more than happy to lead if'n ya'll want. Lets get it together ...my Unit is leaving work today at 3:00...so i can be reached at home E-mail after 4:00 Craig _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 09:43:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16311; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09225 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:42:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29812 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:39:56 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Leon Begeman" , Subject: RE: DC Motor officer bikes. Was: rodeo Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:41:02 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bdac08$61363420$2880e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <35A60BCE.99EA6032@illuminet.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > How would one get to the scene of an in-town incident on a police bike > without "curb jumping?" Cheap might be a bigger reason for the Honda's > rather than D-P bikes. They could probably buy and equip 3 Honda > Nighthawks for the price of one F-650 BMW. > > Leon. Actually, it's more like two to one (if prices are similar to PDs like they are to civvies. About $4000 for a Rebel, about $7500-$8000 for the BMW). But taking one of the 250-450 sized Japanese DPs would only cost a few hundred dollars more than one Rebel. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 09:43:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16310; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09218 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:42:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29808 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:39:54 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: Cc: Subject: RE: D.C. Police Win Motorcycle Competition Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:40:59 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdac08$5f603ba0$2880e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > Maybe, but they still have an image to uphold. I think a dual > sport bike would > give them a bad image. And also, people might actually try to steal one of > those! They're not going to be curb jumping or anything like that > anyway. I > guess when it comes down too it, the police, for their own reasons, have > chosen what they have. > > Robert VanSlyke Baltimore City has several DP bikes. Seems that some of the local hoods were using dirtbikes on city streets. When cops would start pursuing, they'd take off down streets, alleys, staircases, etc. that were impassible on Harleys. Some DP bikes were the solution. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 10:11:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16874; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:11:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09782 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1e.yahoomail.com (known send1e.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00979 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980710141022.16184.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1e; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 07:10:22 PDT Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 07:10:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Saturday Ride has been set To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii O.K. here it is .... Meet at the AMOCO in MARSHALL @ 8:00 a.m. Bruce and I will be leaving Leesburg at 7:00am , from the Roy Rogers on the west side of town near safeway. We will be going 647,522,211,810,(Croyset), Blue ridge prkwy (5-10miles) to Wintergreen..... And I'm sure the roads are not in the right order , but something like that.... STILL WAITING FOR RESPONSES.... Confirmed are Tom G, Glenn, Bruce, Me.. And Hopefully you :~) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 10:21:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17027; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10360 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01300 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA28647 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:20:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Reply-To: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Yamaha Radian info wanted Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My brother picked up a Radian a little while ago and is in the process of getting it sorted. I'm going to be riding it around so I can give him my recommendations. It needs some good shocks and fork springs to start. I see that Progressive makes these for this bike. I haven't been too impressed with their stuff in the past though (I took Progressive brand springs out of my Hawk and replaced them with RaceTech and enjoyed a significant improvement). The mirrors are completely useless (and will be even more useless if my brother follows my rec to put lower/wider bars on). Is Yamaha the brand that makes one of the mirror mounts reverse threaded? Maybe some barends would do the trick. Can anyone recommend a brand/vendor for these parts? I assume that the parts will be very similar to those used on other standard style bikes. I will say that I'm enjoying the differences between this motor (inline 4 with a racing heritage from the early 80s) as compared to my Hawk (somewhat built little v-twin with a cruiser heritage). Thanks, Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 10:48:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17596; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12144 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02319 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA13482 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:40:36 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:45:36 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:47:59 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX Subject: Yamaha Radian info wanted -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Kirk, Yamahas usually have 10mm left-hand (opposite) threads on the right-side mirror. Dennis Kirk (800.328.9280) Not only has a buttload of aftermarket mirrors, they have Yamaha adapters for 8 bucks. They sell Progressive shocks, but if you don't like them, try Works (811.701.1010) Joe "useta have" Yam Seca 650 >>> Kirk Roy - 7/10/98 10:20 AM >>> My brother picked up a Radian a little while ago and is in the process of getting it sorted. I'm going to be riding it around so I can give him my recommendations. It needs some good shocks and fork springs to start. I see that Progressive makes these for this bike. I haven't been too impressed with their stuff in the past though (I took Progressive brand springs out of my Hawk and replaced them with RaceTech and enjoyed a significant improvement). The mirrors are completely useless (and will be even more useless if my brother follows my rec to put lower/wider bars on). Is Yamaha the brand that makes one of the mirror mounts reverse threaded? Maybe some barends would do the trick. Can anyone recommend a brand/vendor for these parts? I assume that the parts will be very similar to those used on other standard style bikes. I will say that I'm enjoying the differences between this motor (inline 4 with a racing heritage from the early 80s) as compared to my Hawk (somewhat built little v-twin with a cruiser heritage). Thanks, Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 10:54:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17768; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12308 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:54:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po4.wam.umd.edu (known po4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.166]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02693 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac6.wam.umd.edu ((IDENT root)@rac6.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.146]) by po4.wam.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.9.0.Beta6) with ESMTP id KAA20085; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac6.wam.umd.edu ((IDENT sendmail)@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac6.wam.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.9.0.Beta6) with ESMTP id KAA16216; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:54:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by rac6.wam.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.9.0.Beta6) with SMTP id KAA16211; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:54:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: rac6.wam.umd.edu: elkouss owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:54:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Paul F. Elkouss" To: Kirk Roy cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Yamaha Radian info wanted In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, I have had my radian for about two years. I have the progressive springs up front, and they work fine. At one point I ordered shocks for the rear, but I returned them 'cause they didn't look to good.(Not a good reason.) The most important thing that needs to be changed on the bike is the crappy oem seat. After 1/2 hour the seat will make your butt fall asleep. The right mirror is reverse threaded, but I have a Suzuki clamp holding my break lever/cylinder on, and I can use a standard mirror. I found the handlebar to be ok. Make sure the exhaust isn't rusted out, because only Vance & Hines makes an aftermarket one, and the OEM is $800. Good Luck. Paul Elkouss University of Maryland 1990 Yamaha yx600 Radian On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Kirk Roy wrote: > My brother picked up a Radian a little while ago and is in the process of > getting it sorted. I'm going to be riding it around so I can give him my > recommendations. It needs some good shocks and fork springs to start. I > see that Progressive makes these for this bike. I haven't been too > impressed with their stuff in the past though (I took Progressive > brand springs out of my Hawk and replaced them with RaceTech and enjoyed a > significant improvement). > > The mirrors are completely useless (and will be even more useless if my > brother follows my rec to put lower/wider bars on). Is Yamaha the brand > that makes one of the mirror mounts reverse threaded? Maybe some barends > would do the trick. > > Can anyone recommend a brand/vendor for these parts? I assume that the > parts will be very similar to those used on other standard style bikes. > > I will say that I'm enjoying the differences between this motor (inline 4 > with a racing heritage from the early 80s) as compared to my Hawk > (somewhat built little v-twin with a cruiser heritage). > > Thanks, > > Kirk > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 11:46:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18505; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14125 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cais.cais.com (known cais.cais.net [199.0.216.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04178 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (dynamic220.cais.com [207.226.56.220]) by cais.cais.com (8.8.5/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id LAA21269 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980710114343.0069b048@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:43:43 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Mike Subject: Re: Failing to see bikers In-Reply-To: <001801bdab76$23bb9af0$16a0bb9d@vrc_server.verticalreality> References: <000401bda951$d8145c20$3f6f29a6@LJTanner.mci.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:14 PM 7/9/98 -0700, you wrote: >Of all the places I have ridden, the Metro D.C. area drivers are most likely >to "not see you." Actually, I do not believe that they do not see you on the >road. Rather I am convinced that they don't give a damn about any vehicle >that is not big enough to flatten their car. They "see" the big trucks and >sport-utilities. They ignore the little cars and bikes. > I've come to believe that folks don't look for other vehicles, rather they look for open spots in traffic, and don't see what they aren't looking for. >There's something about the self-important D.C. Yuppies that makes them >drive without care or responsibility. > Sad but true :-( Mike B 98 ZX900 >Bruce Breidfjord Dimon, Senior Programmer/Analyst >A&T Engineering Technologies, VECTOR Research Division >Work: 208-683-2080, FAX: 208-683-2036 >Work: dimon@XXXXXX >Home: Bruce_Dimon@XXXXXX >Northern Idaho, The Land of Lakes and Lattes! > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Linda Tanner [mailto:linda.tanner@XXXXXX] >> One interesting observation. I rode 6995.9 miles without one car or truck >> failing to see me. It was mostly rural riding but not all. We >> rode through >> a bunch of big towns like Denver, St. Louis, Kansas City etc and >> never once >> did I get run out of my spot. I didn't even have to honk (pitiful sound >> that it is) once. I get with 200 yards of my house and a Volvo station >> wagon comes very close to hitting me head on because he's cutting a corner >> that I'm trying to negotiate (and I was hugging the curb). I stopped and >> stared at him while he wasn't even looking where he was going. Sobering. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 12:07:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18791; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14785 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04815 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:06:52 -0400 (EDT) From: CBR600twt@XXXXXX Received: from CBR600twt@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id PHGEa13456; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4f839a22.35a63bf5@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:06:12 EDT To: tleatsducks@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Saturday Ride has been set Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Man, i'm bummed. At this point it doesn't look like i'll be able to make it. Between the routes chosen and the weather it's going to be a great time! I am still trying to get out of my previous plans, that were made unbeknownst to me. I'll give everyone a shout if I can weasel out of it. Tom T. 2-HYPR - CBR600 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 12:22:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19062; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15450 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05464 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:22:52 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170E33@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Failing to see bikers Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:21:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Although I think that the DC metro region is a dangerous place to ride, and I do it with caution and as much personal protection as possible.. I've never been agressively targeted by anyone here. I was in NYC last Sunday night. Someone in a maroon MR2 decided that he didn't care if he hit me (he did), or run me over (he didn't). Traffic was stopped, I put my left foot down and kicked for his face with my right.. unfortunataly his window was up .. but I managed to crack it and get his attention. I lane split for the next 5 miles cause I didn't want that asswipe on my tail. Were it just me on the bike, I might not have been so rash in my actions.. but I had a passenger.. the little *explitative* actually HIT me with his car instead of waiting and slipping in behind me while. I know I could have backed off instead, but I didn't. Only time I've ever wished for one of those spring wands (used for attack/personal defense) to wack the shit out of a car. Usualy around here, people just don't watch.. and as soon as you lay onto the horns, they fall back into place.. it's more passive than agressive Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 12:35:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19263; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16158 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05906 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02038; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <34CXXDKM>; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:35:41 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F287F@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'McCoy, Brian P HQ02'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Failing to see bikers Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:35:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I carry my asp baton with me a lot..(not as often on the bike, but always in the cage). Handy little sucker.. It's considered a concealed weapon in many places, but less likely to attract the same attention that a gun will..my theory on that is that on first glance, it looks a lot like a mini mag light... > -----Original Message----- > From: McCoy, Brian P HQ02 [SMTP:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, July 10, 1998 12:32 PM > To: 'dc' > Subject: RE: Failing to see bikers > Only time I've ever > wished for one of those spring wands (used for attack/personal defense) > to wack the shit out of a car. > > Usualy around here, people just don't watch.. and as soon as you lay > onto the horns, they fall back into place.. it's more passive than > agressive > Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM > US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 > Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 13:01:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19561; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:01:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17654 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06628 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:00:34 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170E37@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Summit Point tonight.. Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:58:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey, if anyone else is planning on going out to Summit Point tonight.. and they want to ride with someone.. I should be leaving from Springfield VA here in the next hour to hour and a half. Stopping in CharlesTown for TacoHell before going out to the track.. I'm on bike, with gear.. so I'm not going to be wicking it up TOO much (I'll keep it under 90, probably not much illegal passing). I know there aren't many people who go.. but it's an offer.. Call or e-mail me untill 2pm Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 13:01:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19582; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17681 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06659 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:01:41 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WZFQa06640 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <68aeecf2.35a64842@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:58:40 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Saturday Ride has been set Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 Hmmm, I may join. But where the hell is Marshall? And I gonna hafta leave home at 5AM to do this ride? Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 13:13:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19813; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18566 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1d.yahoomail.com (known send1d.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.48]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07072 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980710170719.20141.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send1d; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:07:19 PDT Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:07:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: Saturday Ride has been set To: CBR600twt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii welcome to the Lurker... ;~) How the hell have you been ??? Hope that you can get out of your plans , to join us. ---CBR600twt@XXXXXX wrote: > > Man, i'm bummed. At this point it doesn't look like i'll be able to make it. > Between the routes chosen and the weather it's going to be a great time! I am > still trying to get out of my previous plans, that were made unbeknownst to > me. I'll give everyone a shout if I can weasel out of it. > > Tom T. > 2-HYPR - CBR600 > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 13:36:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20274; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20117 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08109 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:36:47 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170E3B@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Saturday Ride has been set Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:35:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" If he does make it.. be gentle with him.. don't need to be picking up more bikes with trucks/trailers. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- From: Craig Sent: Friday, July 10, 1998 1:07 PM To: CBR600twt@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday Ride has been set welcome to the Lurker... ;~) How the hell have you been ??? Hope that you can get out of your plans , to join us. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 14:03:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20643; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21339 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1e.yahoomail.com (known send1e.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09051 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980710180143.17783.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1e; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:01:43 PDT Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:01:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: RE: Saturday Ride has been set To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Westbrook, Richard" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii get on Rt. 66 going West after passing Manassas it's about 20 miles. The sign will say Marshall , look for a BLUE services sign that says AMOCO. I think its the first Marshall Exit.there are only 2 exits for Marshall and it's not a big town....Up the Exit ramp turn right and the AMOCO is down the street about 1/4 mi. on the right. See Ya At 8:00 a.m. Craig ---"Westbrook, Richard" wrote: > > You can put me on the confirmed list too. > > I need directions to Marshall also. I'm coming from Arlington, and how long > will it take to get out there? > > > Thanks > Rich Westbrook > > ---------- > > From: Craig > > Sent: Friday, July 10, 1998 2:10 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Saturday Ride has been set > > > > O.K. here it is .... > > > > Meet at the AMOCO in MARSHALL @ 8:00 a.m. > > > > Bruce and I will be leaving Leesburg at 7:00am , from the Roy Rogers > > on the west side of town near safeway. > > > > We will be going 647,522,211,810,(Croyset), Blue ridge prkwy > > (5-10miles) to Wintergreen..... > > > > And I'm sure the roads are not in the right order , but something like > > that.... > > > > STILL WAITING FOR RESPONSES.... > > > > Confirmed are Tom G, Glenn, Bruce, Me.. > > > > And Hopefully you :~) > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 14:08:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20695; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21979 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send101.yahoomail.com (known send101.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.87]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09234 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980710180722.12460.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send101.yahoomail.com; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:07:22 PDT Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:07:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: RE: Saturday Ride has been set To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Be gentle with Tom cbr600 ??? If this is the one you are refering to , no need he is one FAST , THRASHING , S.O.B..... ;~) He is one of the few that actually hang with me in the corners / all the way to 150mph !!!!! ---"McCoy, Brian P HQ02" wrote: > > If he does make it.. be gentle with him.. don't need to be picking up > more bikes with trucks/trailers. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 14:14:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20814; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22785 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1e.yahoomail.com (known send1e.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09504 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980710181309.26789.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1e; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:13:09 PDT Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:13:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: Saturday Ride has been set To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't know where you live to say what time you need to leave.... See the message I sent back to rich giving directions...Ah fuck it here they are again.... Rt.66 west towards Manassas...about 20 mi. past Manassas Look for the Marshall exit .....Look for the BLUE services sign and it's the exit with the AMOCO...I think it's the first Marshall exit.. I think there are 2 exits , but it's a small town...Up the ramp and turn right ......AMOCO is 1/4 mi. down the street on the right.... See you there At 8:00 a.m. Craig ---WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > > Hmmm, I may join. But where the hell is Marshall? And I gonna hafta leave > home at 5AM to do this ride? > > Jack > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 14:44:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21343; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24957 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10571 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA07612 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <34CXXDLL>; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:45:23 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F2883@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: See ya out there... Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:45:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain For any of ya'll that head out to Summit this weekend, look for me on bike #210...brown and gold with a red front fender (ain't pretty, but it runs like a bat out of hell) You can lock your gear away in my truck and raid my cooler as needed....(as long as you leave some for me :)) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 15:08:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21943; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25642 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11577 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 392 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:08:09 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980710150806.00a9a350@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:08:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: MSF This Weekend Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anyone going to / teaching the MSF this weekend at NVCC Loudon? If so, see ya there :-) __________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "Welcome to MY reality" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 22:42:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28592; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05001 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24621 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.32] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA00122 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:42:03 -0400 Message-ID: <017001bdac75$2b8db420$5473c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Test Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:39:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Anybody home? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 22:46:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28627; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:46:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05024 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24680 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA18186; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:46:47 -0400 (EDT) From: adl64@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: "Bruce Norton" Cc: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Test Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 02:50:21 GMT Message-ID: <35a6d2b2.620199408@relay.mnsinc.com> References: <017001bdac75$2b8db420$5473c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> In-Reply-To: <017001bdac75$2b8db420$5473c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:39:44 -0400, you wrote: >Anybody home? I am, but you probably won't get many responses on the weekend. Hardly anyone on the list seems to have email access from home. Or maybe they're just out riding and don't have time to post! :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 11 01:09:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA00410; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 01:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA06545 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 01:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (known camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA26288 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 01:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (user-38lcitd.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.75.173]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA24470; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 01:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 01:09:24 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDAC68.8B2CFEC0.zellto@mindspring.com> From: "Thomas W.Zell" Reply-To: "zellto@XXXXXX" To: "'Anita Lauro'" , Bruce Norton Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Test Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 01:09:23 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yupper... we're usually too busy riding... -Tom -----Original Message----- From: Anita Lauro [SMTP:adl64@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 10, 1998 10:50 PM To: Bruce Norton Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Test On Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:39:44 -0400, you wrote: >Anybody home? I am, but you probably won't get many responses on the weekend. Hardly anyone on the list seems to have email access from home. Or maybe they're just out riding and don't have time to post! :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 11 09:58:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03035; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 09:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10075 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 09:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malady.cais.net (known malady.cais.net [199.0.216.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01284 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 09:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (dynamic226.cais.com [207.226.56.226]) by malady.cais.net (8.8.7/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id KAA02239 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 10:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002501bdacec$c593d0a0$e238e2cf@wowbager> From: "Mike B." To: Subject: Re: Test Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 09:55:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 -----Original Message----- From: Anita Lauro To: Bruce Norton Cc: DC-Cycles Date: Friday, July 10, 1998 7:58 PM Subject: Re: Test On Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:39:44 -0400, you wrote: >Anybody home? I am, but you probably won't get many responses on the weekend. Hardly anyone on the list seems to have email access from home. Or maybe they're just out riding and don't have time to post! :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 Howdy Hi. I'm also at home but not for long, .... a day tailor made for riding ;o) Sweeeet !!!! Mike B. 1998 ZX 900 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 11 21:07:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA08025; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA15347 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from red.uspis.gov (known red-internet.uspis.gov [206.205.134.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13006 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by red.uspis.gov; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA14723; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:09:45 -0400 Received: from somewhere by smtpxd Received: from somewhere by smtpxd Message-Id: From: "Clements, Curtis A" To: "'adl64@XXXXXX'" , "'Bruce Norton'" Cc: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Test Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:08:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some of us have to take there work home. Or just stay at the office the rest of my life. Curtis >-----Original Message----- >From: adl64@XXXXXX [SMTP:adl64@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, July 10, 1998 10:50 PM >To: Bruce Norton >Cc: DC-Cycles >Subject: Re: Test > >On Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:39:44 -0400, you wrote: > >>Anybody home? > >I am, but you probably won't get many responses on the weekend. >Hardly anyone on the list seems to have email access from home. Or >maybe they're just out riding and don't have time to post! :-) > >Anita >'96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 11 21:26:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA08144; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA15432 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (known gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13192 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) with SMTP; 12 Jul 1998 01:26:46 UT Received: from sparta2.res.sprintlink.net (sparta2.res.sprintlink.net [199.0.235.44]) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA27402 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by sparta2.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA08089 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:26:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sunday Ride Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey there. New member to the list here.. '97 Kat 600, and hopefully in the next week or two, that should change to a VFR750.. at any rate.. Anyone go on any nice organized sunday rides? If so, let me know when & where, and I'll try to show up.. Alex. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 11 22:16:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08379; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15569 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13567 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:16:14 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WEXOa11468 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:12:43 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <2baf5c89.35a81b9c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:12:43 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: FOR SALE- 92 Virago (perfect) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 It's a 1992 750 Virago. NEVER been in an accident and NEVER been dropped! It's metallic burgundy and it gleams (I keep it clean). It's covered unless I'm on it. It has 5600 miles, saddlebags, windshield and cover. Posted on behalf of another AOL DC rider. Bike is in Lorton VA. Contact Z28mat@XXXXXX. $3900 Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 02:13:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA10362; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 02:13:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA17504 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 02:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA15802 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 02:13:41 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 6QEDa19316; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 02:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <63538000.35a853c2@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 02:12:17 EDT To: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Crash advice (long but please read) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 This evening I had an unfortunate incident occur and was wondering if anyone could contribute some advice. This evening in Georgetown (DC for you on the TL list) I was riding with a few other people. We were going down M Street at about 25 MPH. We started accelerating when my TL ran over some oil or a manhole cover. The back tire lost traction (plenty of rubber on it) for a second (spinning) and suddenly caught traction again and catapulted me into the back of another rider on a GSXR. I tried to brake in time but the short distance seperating us didnt give me enough time. We both went down....uninjured luckily. My TL sustained very minor damage (broken left front turn signal...nothing a little super glue cant take care of, broken brake pedal.....some more glue or something similar and a scuff on the fairing....all minor) but the GSXR didnt fare so well. Severely dented exhaust pipe, scuffed fairing, assorted small damage (signal, etc). It started right up as did my TL. Anyway, we made the two BIG NO-NO's when it comes to accidents. We both agreed that it was a no fault accident and we didnt involve the cops so no report or anything. Im not trying to get out of helping him with his bike but I dont think that my insurance will pay shit considering we agreed it was no fault and there is no report to decide fault. After all, it doesnt bother me that ins wont pay. Ive been told that in a situation like this ins. cos. cant be sure who is at fault so they wont pay. If Im not mistaken considering the circumstances I technically wouldnt have to pay him anything (but Im not like that). Does anyone have any advice or similar situations? I would be willing to pay half of the repair estimate but not much more. Please help. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 10:33:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12524; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:33:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20469 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19723 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.29] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA01102 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:33:44 -0400 Message-ID: <35A88234.BAF3DC60@anent.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:30:28 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Saturday Ride Report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well it all started at the Amoco in Marshall , the group was all together by 7:50a.m.. Members and what they rode:.Craig TL, Bruce VFR800, GlennV-30, Tom G.ZX11, Steve BV-max, RichVFR750, And a New Comer Dave Ninga ?. As we departed Marshall, Glenn was the tour guide on to Rt. 66 and onto Rt. 647 to Flint Hill where we picked up Rt. ? going thru Washington va to Rt.522/211 to Sperryville. We then turned and went up Rt. 522 for a bit , until we turned on Rt.231 which lead us to Rt.670 going towards Madison.The pace was good for warming up with and the group stayed together well . We rode out to Rt.29 and made our first gas stop, more of a Mens room break than anything ;~) As we continued our next road was Rt.230, which took us to Standardsville and Rt.810. A road that we later found out was really liked by Steve.810 has been re-paved and the gravel section is gone(sorry Leon). A little jaunt up Rt. 64 had us near Rockfish Gap where Glenn led us down Rt.6 for a little 4-5 mile (really twisty) section. Turning around to go back to Afton , Rt.6 was much more fun going up than down . Some of the corners now have nice black rubber laid down..heheheheh. At Afton we stopped up top at the overlook and got a group photo of all the bikes with the scenery backdrop.Very nice. Then it was my turn to lead down the Blue Ridge Prkwy to Rt. 664 (which I missed)going to Wintergreen. At Wintegreen we got on Rt.151 until we turned on Rt. 56 ,this is a road not to be missed if you are in the area..great tight , twisty corners ,unless you get hung up behind a pack-o-cars. Lunch sucked ! After lunch we continued with the rest of Rt. 56 and merged in to Rt. 11 , at this point Rich had to go and departed the group to slab it back up Rt.81. we continued up Rt.11 with Glenn leading for a while then he took us down all these back roads. That got narrower and narrower with our favoritve,not, "LOOSE GRAVEL", back to Rt. 11 to New Market , to Rt.211 . Glenn waved Tom and I byand I led the group up and over the mtn. Me, Tom G , and Glenn , with Bruce this time( mid-thrasher) disappeared up the twistys. The ride back to Flint Hill was calm and flowing with traffic, but once we hit Rt. 647 I quickened the pace and we jetted back to Marshall where after filling up went our seperate ways...Bruce led me back to Leesburg and I was quite surprised at the level of intensity that he rode(Way togo buddy) . Overall the ride was a great one and everyone seemed to have a really good-time(Rich?). This group of individuals really seem to ride good together. Special note to the Dave, First time with the group and he did Exceptionally well in keeping up !! Lets do this every weekend ;~) Craig (hope I got it right) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 10:33:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12528; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20465 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19719 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA24816; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:33:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: Alex Milenkovic cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday Ride In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Alex, Welcome! Hey I live up in Germantown, MD. Would love to do some riding on Sundays. Hey for that matter any damn day! If I am not riding, I am online. (Computer work and all...) so just write. I have found riding 355 North of Germantown becomes very windy and farm like, then I take 80 west... very windy and hilly. (Have to go a little slower then I would like, never know when there will be some HUGE farm truck in the road. Or bail of hay... that is a story onto itself!!) ANy way I take another highway south, then 118 north, and repete. Nice big circle wit great roads, plenty of bikes, and corners that will keep that rubber nice and hot! Just don't ride like that set of Duc's that came up behind me yesterday. I was stuck behind the biggest piece of farm equ. I have evern seen. Looked Like it did everything from plow the field, to cook the corn!! We were going up this blind hill, very steep. Double solid lines... and they dropped gear and took off in the oppisite lane to pass him. I was expecting a helmet or two to come rolling back down the hill. I waited until the ground was flat and I could see. I hate riders like that... all they do is raise my insurence! -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Sat, 11 Jul 1998, Alex Milenkovic wrote: > > Hey there. New member to the list here.. '97 Kat 600, and hopefully > in the next week or two, that should change to a VFR750.. at any > rate.. > > Anyone go on any nice organized sunday rides? If so, let me know > when & where, and I'll try to show up.. > > Alex. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 11:13:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12623; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20651 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19977 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.32]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:09:51 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "BMW Motorcycle List" Subject: Another Deal's Gap message... Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:10:54 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdada7$43f957c0$2080e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Not sure of the veracity of this. I think the email address of the original poster is included. Haven't verified it or anything. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:02:13 -0500 From: nathan Subject: [Wings] Deal's Gap Riders I went to Deal's Gap yesterday for a long anticipated ride. I was extremely disappointed to find myself face-to-face with a U.S. park ranger. He informed me that, effective this past Tuesday, July 7th, all motorcycles riding Deal's Gap must have a permit from the U.S. Park Service. Since US129 runs through national forests, the U.S. Forestry Service determined that the park service, having a permit system set up, would be the logical choice to administer the permits and enforce same. The permit costs $300 per year, and includes a "cleanup" fee and a $100,000 accidental death and dismemberment insurance policy for those motorcyclists that "go down" while riding the Gap. Apparently, there has been a great deal of money spent on cleanup after riders wreck their bikes, and their insurance policies don't always cover that cleanup. Needless to say, this came as a complete surprise to me, and at least 5 other riders that I saw. Two park rangers were helping unload what appeared to be a check station type building from a flat bed trailer, one to be set up at each end. I stayed and talked to one of the park rangers after the other riders left, and told him that riding the gap was one of my goals on this trip. After much discussion, he told me that, as this was the first week of the permit policy, I could follow him to the other end at a reduced speed. He said that he would not require the permit, and that he would have done the same for the other riders if they had hung around. I thanked the man, and waited for him to get to his vehicle. After about 5 minutes, he motioned me to follow him, and we started across "The Dragon", at a speed of approximately 15 mph. It was not the ride my wife and I expected. I stopped at the Crossroads Of Time store and checked with the owner. He said that it was true, and that many riders had been caught unprepared for the permit requirements. It appears that a great road for riding has been placed financially out of reach for many of us, and there does not seem to be any short term solution. This might be a good time to start writing Senators and Representatives to change this policy that seems to have been generated somewhere other than reality. Nathan Riggs Georgetown, Texas (temporarily, somewhere NW of Atlanta) 96 SE - the reflection of all colors From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 12:49:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13179; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20936 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20734 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.38] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA01325; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:49:12 -0400 Message-ID: <35A8A1D7.4AA7DB05@anent.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:45:27 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jack , DC-Cycles Subject: re.Accident Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry to hear that , but I think you owe the guy for repairs. Damn bummer , see you should have joined us on a ride in the country instead. ;~) Craig From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 13:11:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13300; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21047 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21000 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-28.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.69]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA08996 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:11:43 -0400 Message-ID: <070301bdadb8$1a4ec700$4510b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: A bolt of Pontiac -- MC down Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:10:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Vulcan down. Not, as thought, godlike invincible. Me now walking (with winces), thank the Lord. Shiny bike probably totalled. Having obvious time available, here's a recap that may benefit. Figured I'd do a little tour on the Eastern Shore after skipping the Fourth traffic (stay-in-town holidays an old habit of mine). All the way along, a bikers waving, bright sun, nice temps, at speed limits, SIPDE on strange roads, red 'stitch zipped up kind of day. In these near perfect conditions, a little after noon last Monday, I was poking north on 213 just past the middle of Centreville, MD. KEEEEEEEERIIIIST!! A bolt from the blue, an '86 Pontiac, came across the road from the left (not a left turner; had previously been noted/discounted; slow speed) immediately in front of me. CRUNCH, as I tried to stop/turn right. We three (me, bike on ground; car) ended up off road in wide business driveway. Police/witnesses on spot right now. She was crossing at this semi-intersection (two food places facing each other) and just didn't see me, so it is said. BDC. Clear air lightning. Officially documented as her fault. Ambulance, 30min to ER, 2 nights in motel (Thank God for HBO), ER for travel-ready, driven back to DC via bike pics, police report copy. Nofunatall. Me now recuperating, tending to Vulcan future, lamenting missed minivacation, catching up. Local handling of me/bike seems to have been good quality, cordial. Several said I was lucky to be alive. Aerostitch undoubtedly played major safety role. Also (now severly scraped) helmet. Had I been wearing fullfingered mc gloves, skin would surely have been left unscratched. As it was, that plus some other mashing and bashing. Bike front in rough shape, first checks point to totalling. Just had substantial 12K maintenance finished Friday prior. Darnation. Vignettes. I think a Joe Btflzlk (sp?) cloud found my trip. On Wednesday morning, a rainy one, in cab back to the ER for final check, the thought crossed -- "what a time for an accident", though the driver was doing well enough. Thought dismissed. Then, as he made an easy turn, a lady turned right into him (slow, tiny damage). Another BDC. 20min changing papers -- the ER a rainy, hurting block away. Began making plans for a tank trip back to DC -- sadly, none found in YP. (Then, later, in line at DC drugstore, another omen. A cashier breaking a change roll gets pennies in a dime wrapper. Many times pondered by me, never before seen. Roll users, beware) Just a matter of healing and fixing now. Next bike steps aforming -- Wish there was better press for Colemans. Noticed thread on 'failing to see bikers'. Not just an urban disease, BDC, to wit the two above. And the second taxi incident just supported a 'rural BDC' view of the subject. Having just put extra brakelight flashers on the bike, next is headlight modulators -- (or driving backwards, counting on my extra helmet flasher!) Eating "If he didn't see me, it's my fault" slogan while anticipating a compensating string of good luck. And the great Western trip report - 'I didn't even have to honk (pitiful sound that it is) once'. Is current travel to the east with bad kharma? All seems to be moving along, but other experience in this mc accident/insurance arena welcome. Viva summer riding protection! Bill Swanson / DC (Down, anticipate up again.) 96 EN500 LTD (Down, checking options. Taxis max boring.) Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 13:17:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13329; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21093 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21095 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:16:53 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WLGPa13455 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:13:26 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Oil on Columbia Pike Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 I was making a left onto Columbia Pike from Lincolnia Road this afternoon and slid out in the intersection. After picking myself up I noticed a trail of what looks like hydraulic or brake fluid. It's patchy, but it is wide and long and very slippery. If you head through that intersection in the next few days be careful. Despite just wearing boots, jeans, gloves, helmet and t-shirt I was fine. Just a bit of road rash on my elbow. Please no lectures, I've been shopping for leather for a while now. The bike got a broken mirror and some scrapes. No big deal. I was lucky that I was going slow and didn't slide into a car. Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 13:33:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13417; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21212 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21236 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:33:08 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WGJHa20769 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4a198934.35a8f213@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:27:46 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Crash advice (long but please read) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 In a message dated 98-07-12 03:14:30 EDT, WantAZX6@XXXXXX writes: > catapulted me into > the back of another rider on a GSXR. > Ive been told that in a situation like this ins. cos. cant be sure who is at > fault so they wont pay. > First, you rear ended him. That means you are at fault no matter what either of you say. Second, judges and insurance companies aren't bound by the decision of either party to the accident regarding fault If the matter makes it to the insurance company or the courtroom they make up their own minds. Judges take statements into account but are paid to think for themselves. Since you rear ended him, it is clear cut, His being a nice guy doesn't matter. Third, you should either turn it over to your insurance company or just pay him for repairs. Forget splitting it. If you settle it yourself just hope he doesn't hit you for a rental car or other damages. Sorry, Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 15:13:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14194; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21604 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22472 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:13:06 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WESZa11435 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:11:15 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Hey Craig...... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 Did you paint your TL yourself? With the scrapes and stuff I think I may just repaint it. Always wanted a black one anyway. If you painted it, how did you do it? Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 15:21:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14215; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21655 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22555 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:21:06 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WODTa04160; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:18:36 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Crash Advice Part 2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 Ok there was a thing or two I left out of the first post. First, the guy on the GSXR told me before we started riding that his frame was already slightly bent from a previous accident. How do I keep them from trying to hit me with bending his frame (aside from I think its next to impossible to bend a GSXR frame on a 15 MPH crash)? Second, he did slow down in front of me for no apparent reason. Since some of you were talking about following distances and such, we did have about 15 feet between us but the combo of him slowing and me catapulting closed that distance quickly. I always keep at least 3 seconds time between me and the person in front of me. Next, he has no insurance, is this an issue at all? I talked to a policeman friend of mine who told me (I take with a grain of salt) that since he is riding without insurance he shouldnt even be on the road and in a court that may work against him since he was riding illegally, regardless of the crash. One last thing, I was told by my ins.co. that aftermarket exhaust and accessories are not covered in a crash. Is this true? I think I had seen this somewhere as well. In the end, I am going to pay his damages, but I am seriously worried about them trying to hit me with bending his frame. If the frame is not brought into account the damage shouldnt be more than maybe $1500 at most. Rather pay that then my rates go up that much per year. Sound wise? Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 16:38:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14832; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22838 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23713 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:38:18 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id CYJOa17153; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:37:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <81ffa9f7.35a91e85@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:37:24 EDT To: falcor@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sunday Ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Frank, You're in Germantown? I ride that 355, 80, etc. route all the time! I live in Frederick. Since I'm just up the road, maybe we could get together some time for some rides! I had no idea there were riders up here in my neck of the woods. Later! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 85 Nighthawk 450 (for sale) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 17:23:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15572; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23562 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (known imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25119 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:23:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WREPa12330; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <64c5ba17.35a92920@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:22:39 EDT To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Crash Advice Part 2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Well, whether or not he has insurance is irrelevant. The fact that he told you his frame was bent before the accident may be helpful if you pay him out- of-pocket, however, if he decides to make a claim against your insurance company, he can probably deny he ever said such a thing, it's your word against his. If your goal is to avoid higher insurance costs in the future then you should try to come to a reasonable arrangement, but I would have him sign a release (have it notarized) which indicates that he is satisfied with your payment and that he will make no further claims against you or your insurance company. Ciao, From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 18:11:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15807; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24183 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25647 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.52]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:08:45 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: Cc: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Crash Advice Part 2 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:09:50 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdade1$c9ede5a0$3480e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Too many questions for me to answer. Cept one. Your insurance co. may or may not cover aftermarket stuff. Depends on the policy. Your best bet is to inform them what is on the bike as you add it. My BMW had a bunch of odds and ends on it, so what I did was give the ins. co. a copy of my bill of sale (which had all of the odds and ends enumerated). But you make a good point. I have to see my ins. agent this week (nothing bad. Actually refinancing my car, and maybe my bike to save a few points of interest) and will double check my own policies. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 19:32:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16185; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA24616 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26606 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA21297; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:32:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Crash Advice Part 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Good Man! If you hit him from behind it is your fault... not to be pickey... but that is the law. No matter what, unless you are pushed by another vehicle, you rear ened him. (I assume from your description.) Even though we don't have "rear ends", a point I wish people in cars would realize!!! Seeing as he told you about the bent frame, I do not think he could claim it. (You can win that one if someone heard him tell you.) His insurence... well in DC, VA, and MD you MUST have insurence to operate a vehicle. I am not sure how that would play out, but do not see how it has much to do with this. He didn't hit you... and DC is not a "no fault" "state... hehe that is almost an arguement in itself. Unless the damage is like thousands of dollars I would simply pay it. The preimum would not only raise on your bike, but your car too... if it is insured by the same company. (They get you any way they can.) All-in-all I think you are doing the right thing. I would ride with ya any day. Don't let him take advantage of your honisty and sence of responsibility with the frame though! :) -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Sun, 12 Jul 1998 WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > Ok there was a thing or two I left out of the first post. First, the guy on > the GSXR told me before we started riding that his frame was already slightly > bent from a previous accident. How do I keep them from trying to hit me with > bending his frame (aside from I think its next to impossible to bend a GSXR > frame on a 15 MPH crash)? Second, he did slow down in front of me for no > apparent reason. Since some of you were talking about following distances and > such, we did have about 15 feet between us but the combo of him slowing and me > catapulting closed that distance quickly. I always keep at least 3 seconds > time between me and the person in front of me. Next, he has no insurance, is > this an issue at all? I talked to a policeman friend of mine who told me (I > take with a grain of salt) that since he is riding without insurance he > shouldnt even be on the road and in a court that may work against him since he > was riding illegally, regardless of the crash. One last thing, I was told by > my ins.co. that aftermarket exhaust and accessories are not covered in a > crash. Is this true? I think I had seen this somewhere as well. > In the end, I am going to pay his damages, but I am seriously worried about > them trying to hit me with bending his frame. If the frame is not brought > into account the damage shouldnt be more than maybe $1500 at most. Rather pay > that then my rates go up that much per year. Sound wise? > > Jack > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 19:53:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16239; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:53:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA24693 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26815 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:52:55 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 6PNGa22588; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:51:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8b77fabc.35a94c0b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:51:38 EDT To: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: TL paint job color suggestions? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 I am seriously considering repainting my TL (currently dark green) since those fairing scratches are rather obvious (and please, save the "character" stuff). Anybody have any suggestions as to a color? I like black but maybe thats too common. Actually I was imagining a white TL with the black engine, chrome headers and stock pipes. Just get dirty too fast tho. Also, I wouldnt paint it until after the tank is replaced (which, has started to leak a bit....brown trail on the frame) with the recall one. Any suggestions? I am looking for solid colors only (unless you have a really kick ass idea). Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 20:11:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA16359; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25045 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:11:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27015 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id UAA12350; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:09:51 -0400 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:09:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: [Fwd: FS: '72 Triumph Tiger] (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=------------5C820979CFAC9F191E49A47E Content-ID: This message is in MIME format. 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They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:29:01 -0400 From: Morris Berman To: mberman@XXXXXX Subject: [Fwd: FS: '72 Triumph Tiger] --------------5C820979CFAC9F191E49A47E Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-ID: Path: news!global-news-master!newsfeed.concentric.net!nntp.giganews.com!news-feed1.tiac.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!hecate.umd.edu!dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu!rac6.wam.umd.edu!gdv From: gdv Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,dc.forsale.misc,balt.forsale Subject: FS: '72 Triumph Tiger Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:43:15 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, MD Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: rac6.wam.umd.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Xref: news balt.forsale:34888 dc.forsale.misc:8170 rec.motorcycles:553035 Original condition except for paint (has been painted original? blue), 16K miles, new brakes, heavy-duty clutch, spokes, tires and battery, very well maintained. Comes with service manual and parts book. All parts there except for original left handlebar grip and one rear directional lens. Bike is located in R.I. Delivery to another state between RI and Maryland can be arranged. Need cash to buy car. Will consider trade for sports car (Nissan 300ZX, Honda CRX, or ?). Asking only $1600. You won't find another one at this price... --------------5C820979CFAC9F191E49A47E-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 21:09:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16683; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25820 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27532 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-6.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.47]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA15803 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:09:24 -0400 Message-ID: <078901bdadfa$d68c7380$4510b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Summer of the motorcycle in New York -- S. Manes Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:09:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Today's New York Times -- front page of New York Report section -- color picture of bikers in SOHO and lengthy article. http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/news/national/regional/071298ny-summer.html [may require simple registration] Some of the meatier parts follow. Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD (in limbo) Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ********* "Engines Roaring, Pagers Beeping; Middle Class Leads a Renewed Romance With Biker Culture" . . . The dozen riders who roared through the West Village one night last week included a surgeon whose leather jacket has a special pocket for his hospital beeper; an engineer from Pennsylvania with two small children, and a former New Jersey police officer turned computer analyst wearing a "Ride Nude" T-shirt. Vicki Rossetti, 36, who works for an insurance company, was along and not on the back of her boyfriend's bike -- she commands her own black Harley-Davidson Sportster. . . . The Hooligans, a loose collection of middle-class motorcycle fanatics, had picked up a crowd. And it was not the first time since the weather turned warm. It happens nearly every time they roam these days around Manhattan, a city in the middle of a renewed romance with biker culture. Steve Manes, a Web site developer who sometimes rides with the group, calls it "the summer of the motorcycle in New York," and there is ample evidence to support the claim. . . . In many neighborhoods, garage space reserved for motorcycles is full, because more people are buying motorcycles and because the city has begun to crack down on an increasing number of motorcycles illegally parked between cars and on traffic islands. Classes for the city's best-known motorcycle safety course are booked through the summer, and the school's director, Gasper Trama, who has trained the likes of Liam Neeson, Matthew Broderick and Alan Alda, said the demand is the highest he has seen in several years. Manhattan's motorcycle-friendly bars -- Hogs and Heifers in the meatpacking district, the Ear Inn in Soho, Red Rock West in Chelsea, American Trash on the Upper East Side and Barcode in the East Village -- are all seeing larger crowds of bikers. And, in perhaps the quintessential confirmation of a New York City trend, people are angry. Those who live within earshot of the biker bars have begun to complain about the noise, particularly the screams emitted by motorcycles with illegally altered mufflers called drag pipes, which are loud enough to trigger car alarms. Hundreds of Chelsea residents along 10th Avenue signed a petition to the police complaining about the noise. Arthur Strickler, the district manager of the community board that represents Soho and the West Village, said the board is considering asking the City Council to ban motorcycles from the neighborhood altogether, though it admits such a ban would probably never work. Short of that, the board is pushing for fines even steeper and stricter than those enacted by the City Council last year for excessive noise. . . . Then, of course, there's the fact that it is just undeniably cool to be riding a motorcycle on the streets of Manhattan. Mark Novitz, a 30-year-old computer analyst who bought his first BMW motorcycle three years ago, vowed never to use it to get around the city because he considered it too dangerous, "but that fell apart in a couple of weeks," he said. "Going through the Helmsley Building tunnel on Park Avenue or up Riverside Drive to Grant's Tomb -- on a bike it's just a completely different thing," he said. Kyrie Collins, an aspiring entrepreneur who waits tables at Moomba, the trendy West Village restaurant, said simply and only somewhat facetiously: "I KNOW I look good on my bike." Ms. Collins, 35, has been riding for 11 years and despite being seriously injured four years ago while touring California, she said she never really considered not climbing back on her sleek gray Moto Guzzi. "People ride in New York because it makes them unique," she said recently, her bike lined up with about 40 others during a regular Tuesday night conclave at the Ear Inn. "It makes me run solo in a city of 8 million." She added: "It's also deeply erogenous. It's always been a male bike to me. So I guess what I'm saying basically is -- it's all about sex." . . . And, while no one will admit to being one, everyone seems to disparage riders they call RUBs -- rich urban bikers -- who buy $40,000 custom-made specialty bikes like Titans or Californias simply because they can afford them. "English Don" Cornwallis, a well-known New York motorcycle builder, blames RUB's for the growing sentiment against motorcycles in many neighborhoods. "In recent years the motorcycle has become the new gotta-have toy for the urban classless rich," he wrote in a city biker newspaper. "These idiots are the perpetrators of the loud pipes and ridiculous showboating around these bars." But lest anyone think that the rebel spirit has completely died in such veteran riders, he added a defiant coda to the article, referring to the possibility that the police might break up a quasi-secret motorcycle get-together this month at a bar in the East Village if it turned noisy: "If the man gets wind of the shindig and tries to ambush us, in August we'll go nomad on them, so watch this space for info." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 21:15:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16701; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:15:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25896 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (known camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27583 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (user-38lcmi3.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.90.67]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA02824 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:14:29 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDADDA.0E4635C0.zellto@mindspring.com> From: "Thomas W.Zell" Reply-To: "zellto@XXXXXX" To: "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: I'm Back... Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:14:27 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit no luck renting a motorcycle in Ireland, though.... I did see a CBR 250 while I was there...how cute. I didn't know they made them that small. When I asked some guys who'd just gotten off their bikes if there was anywhere to rent a bike for a week they looked at me like I was speaking a foreign language. Hmmm Saw a sweeeeet Duc in England, though! - Jeannette GLAD to be home!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 21:57:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA17039; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA26108 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28086 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:57:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.84] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA02407; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:58:01 -0400 Message-ID: <35A92296.97010E98@anent.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:54:46 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hey Craig...... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes , I did but that was when I worked at a Body shop . Now I am working at PRC in McLean, No body shop there...And I'm going to need my new (recall) Tank Painted... :~( I have a friend that does painting and he will be doing my new tank, I'll see what he wants to paint your bike parts if you want ? You can cut the cost way down by doing the PREP work yourself , and I would be willing to show you that part of it... Craig WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > Did you paint your TL yourself? With the scrapes and stuff I think I may just > repaint it. Always wanted a black one anyway. > If you painted it, how did you do it? > > Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 21:58:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA17043; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA26117 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28093 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id VAA20602 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA07475 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LJTanner.mci.com ([166.41.110.109]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980713015723.MBLQ11946@XXXXXX> for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:57:23 -0400 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: A bolt of Pontiac -- MC down Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:57:00 -0400 Message-ID: <001101bdae01$85f70280$6d6e29a6@LJTanner.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <070301bdadb8$1a4ec700$4510b1cd@newmicronpc> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sorry to hear of your mishap - heal soon and get riding again. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze mobacc said sadly: Vulcan down. Not, as thought, godlike invincible. Me now walking (with winces), thank the Lord. Shiny bike probably totalled. Having obvious time available, here's a recap that may benefit. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 22:02:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA17069; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA26194 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28132 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.84] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA02418; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:02:24 -0400 Message-ID: <35A9239D.66CFED77@anent.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:59:09 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles Subject: Re: TL paint job color suggestions? References: <8b77fabc.35a94c0b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you see any car on the road that you like .....we can get that color mixed up ..Just remember what year it may have been, Etc.. And....try to find a good image on the net and copy the image into Photoshop or a similar program and color it with other colors to get an idea of what it will look like first... Craig WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > I am seriously considering repainting my TL (currently dark green) since those > fairing scratches are rather obvious (and please, save the "character" stuff). > Anybody have any suggestions as to a color? I like black but maybe thats too > common. Actually I was imagining a white TL with the black engine, chrome > headers and stock pipes. Just get dirty too fast tho. Also, I wouldnt paint > it until after the tank is replaced (which, has started to leak a bit....brown > trail on the frame) with the recall one. Any suggestions? I am looking for > solid colors only (unless you have a really kick ass idea). > > Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 23:09:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17370; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26528 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns2.wheatintl.com (known [38.218.78.34] [38.218.78.34]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28677 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by ns2.wheatintl.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) id XAA24635; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-41-201.s201.tnt10.brd.erols.com(207.172.41.201) by ns2 via smap (V2.0) id xma024632; Sun, 12 Jul 98 23:08:22 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980712230901.0144a830@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:09:11 -0400 To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: Crash advice (long but please read) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The situation sucks, but I believe you would have to pay all of his repairs (besides the frame bending) since it may not have been entirely your fault due to conditions, but it apparently was not his fault at all.... At 02:12 AM 7/12/98 EDT, WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: >This evening I had an unfortunate incident occur and was wondering if anyone >could contribute some advice. This evening in Georgetown (DC for you on the >TL list) I was riding with a few other people. We were going down M Street at >about 25 MPH. We started accelerating when my TL ran over some oil or a >manhole cover. The back tire lost traction (plenty of rubber on it) for a >second (spinning) and suddenly caught traction again and catapulted me into >the back of another rider on a GSXR. I tried to brake in time but the short >distance seperating us didnt give me enough time. We both went >down....uninjured luckily. My TL sustained very minor damage (broken left >front turn signal...nothing a little super glue cant take care of, broken >brake pedal.....some more glue or something similar and a scuff on the >fairing....all minor) but the GSXR didnt fare so well. Severely dented >exhaust pipe, scuffed fairing, assorted small damage (signal, etc). It >started right up as did my TL. Anyway, we made the two BIG NO-NO's when it >comes to accidents. We both agreed that it was a no fault accident and we >didnt involve the cops so no report or anything. Im not trying to get out of >helping him with his bike but I dont think that my insurance will pay shit >considering we agreed it was no fault and there is no report to decide fault. >After all, it doesnt bother me that ins wont pay. >Ive been told that in a situation like this ins. cos. cant be sure who is at >fault so they wont pay. If Im not mistaken considering the circumstances I >technically wouldnt have to pay him anything (but Im not like that). Does >anyone have any advice or similar situations? I would be willing to pay half >of the repair estimate but not much more. Please help. > >Jack > _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Current Top Pet Peeves: 1) Not driving with lights on in rain and fog 2) Door Dings 3) Lunch interruptions From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 23:11:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17377; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26554 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28722 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA21752; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:10:53 -0400 (EDT) From: adl64@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: DC-Cycles Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Witty Conversation [Sorta Long] Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 03:14:20 GMT Message-ID: <35af769e.793267327@relay.mnsinc.com> References: <35A88234.BAF3DC60@anent.com> In-Reply-To: <35A88234.BAF3DC60@anent.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, Ursulina, Leslie and myself had a great weekend, just filled to the brim with motorcycles. On Saturday we headed to Summit Point where we were arrived barely in time to catch Collin in action. We stayed the whole afternoon, and got to see lots of racing. It was great! A bit of sunburn all around, though. Today we hit some twisty roads, lunched in Winchester and slabbed it back on Route 7. Finished breaking in the GPZ, and am totally convinced I bought the perfect bike for me. It is amazingly fast and powerful (for me at least) but at the same time smooth, stable, and confidence inspiring. Not really worthy of a "ride report" but I have to pass along some conversational highlights from the weekend: Saturday, getting gas in Charles Town. Group of young boys come up to me, "How fast does your motorcycle go? Me, "Supposedly 145 mph, but *I* don't go that fast." They go over to ask Leslie the same question. Come back over and ask me if I can do a wheelie. I guess they hadn't heard that wheelies are a guy thing! :-) Saturday night, 9:00 pm or so, heading down 15 South (after losing Leslie near Frederick, oops!). We pull over into a gas station so that car that had been tailgating Ursulina could pass. Drunk local starts talking to us. He's slurring his words so bad, I can't figure out what the heck he's saying. Ursulina somehow figures out that the guy is asking us to wheelie. Obviously, he hasn't heard either! :) Either that or he was too drunk to see that we were female. Bad part, he was getting behind the wheel of a car! Looking back I guess we should have gotten his license plate # or something, but I felt so uncomfortable I just wanted to get the heck out of there. And, today, we're at a Sheetz just outside of Winchester. I'm standing next to my bike and Leslie's Katana. Leslie is off using the facilities and Ursulina was refueling. Guy in a station wagon asks me "Which one is yours?" I point the the GPZ. His response? "Do you ride it?" I think this is a variation of "When your boyfriend/husband comes out of the bathroom, tell him "nice bike"!!! Ugh! Well, I hope everyone else got out to enjoy the great weather. Just wonderful, especially for July! Anita '96 GPZ1100 (my bike, and I ride it) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 23:53:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17601; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26812 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29263 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA24711 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A9AF8B.3351@mnsinc.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:56:11 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Summit Point Mini-Report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey DC Gys & Gals, This is no test! (Bruce, why were not out riding that pretty Interceptor of yours instead of playing at your computer? ;) Most of you missed a great weekend at Summit Point where CCS races were held this weekend. I assisted there with MARRC as did Brian McCoy, and we helped cheer along two of our number who were racing - to wit, Collin and Thane. (If I am missing anyone else who raced "mea maxima culpa" ...) Collin placed 6th today but I wasn't aware - prolly 'cuz the field was so large, and Thane took 1st yesterday in one of his races (!) Collin took a light spill on Saturday, but that's his story (He's fine...) Espied in the audience both days was the Horkster and today Linda (whoa - nice paint job on the Goof Linda, looks great! Maybe Dale will sell you his helmet which appears to match it ;) No red flags this weekend either (I do not count the Race School's mock race ending which was a sharp departure from last month's SP gig. Hope the West Side Double Yellow Mofo Gang had fun too - looking forward to your report! Ciao, JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 00:26:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA18387; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28135 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:25:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29717 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:25:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id AAA26851 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:25:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A9B708.183B@mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:28:08 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Party Directions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gang, OK, hopefully the following directions will disabuse some of you that I was only joshing that we are having a party on Saturday, July 25th at our new home. As I indicated in an earlier post, kids are more than welcome beginning at 1700 hrs or so. The earlier hour will allow them to burn out by about 2000 hrs leaving the ambience more adult-oriented, if you know what I mean. (Not that anyone is gonna get booted or anything ;) Anyway, it will be a _simple_ affair; we'll have burgers, dogs, beer, pop, etc... If people wish to bring a dish to share that would be great, but it's not mandatory or anything. I would appreciate RSVP (thanks to those of who have already done so!) so I have an idea of numbers. There is plenty of off-street parking for cages in our 'hood and our driveway (modest in length) should accomodate 20+ motorcycles. OK, here's the coordinates: 2922 2nd Street South Arlington, 22204 892-2197 / 2198 >From Springfield VA and beyond, take 395 up to Glebe Rd. North. You'll spill out around 24th St. South. Drive up to 2nd St. South, which is two blocks before Rte. 50. Turn right, go for six blocks or so until Garfield. Find a place to park unless you're on two wheels. We are the second house after Garfield on the right. >From DC, Alexandria or Pentagon area (395 southbound), take Rte 27 (Washington Blvd) and go to 2nd Street South exit (right before Rte 50). Go down a few lights, pass Fillmore and we're the second last house on the left. >From Maryland, take 495 to the GW PKwy. Go to Key Bridge exit. Do not go on Key Bridge!! (You'll end up in DC - duh...) Instead cross the bridge traffic lanes and turn left, which places you on Ft. Meyer Drive and stay in the middle lanes. You'll see signs for Rte. 50 West in a few blocks. Take that exit (on the right) and go down 2 miles to Fillmore (1st light after Washington Blvd exits) and turn left. Go two blocks to the first light (2nd Street) and turn right. We are the second last house on the left. If anyone gets lost or finds it difficult to understand these directions, feel free to call. It should be fun. Hope to see a bunch of y'all there. JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 00:46:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA18483; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29234 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00077 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.43]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:43:25 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: TL paint job color suggestions? Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:44:32 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bdae18$ed81d940$2b80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <8b77fabc.35a94c0b@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Yellow or orange. Not like this is a subtle bike:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 06:18:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA20367; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 06:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA02666 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 06:18:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ntserver1.compsol.net (known ntserver1.compsol.net [209.54.72.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA03595 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 06:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default [209.54.75.106] by ntserver1.compsol.net (SMTPD32-4.03) id AE5654340130; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 06:15:50 EDT From: "Mark Ayotte" To: "George Howell" , "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "BMW Motorcycle List" Subject: Re: Another Deal's Gap message... Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 05:57:05 -0400 Message-ID: <01bdae44$97184040$4d4b36d1@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 >I went to Deal's Gap yesterday for a long anticipated ride. I was >extremely disappointed to find myself face-to-face with a U.S. park ranger. > He informed me that, effective this past Tuesday, July 7th, all >motorcycles riding Deal's Gap must have a permit from the U.S. Park >Service. How do you spell discrimination ? Mark Ayotte From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 08:13:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20959; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03882 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04510 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id IAA21029; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:12:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35AA2484.6ACA@mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:15:16 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Party Directions References: <199807131104.HAA00384@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit zbig@XXXXXX wrote: > You missed directions from West side... Ooops, OK, thanks Zbig.. Here we go. From Great Falls/Sterling/Leesburg, take Rte 7 east to Dulles Toll Road and head for I-66 East. Take that to exit 71 (Glebe Road). Turn right, go about 1.5 miles until you see Rte 50. Continue for two more blocks until 2nd Street South. There is a 7-11 gas station on the corner. Turn left, go for six blocks or so until Garfield. We are the second house after Garfield on the right. JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 08:52:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21120; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:52:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04178 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05019 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807131252.IAA05019@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A2E0730180; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:51:44 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:54:23 -0400 To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Another Deal's Gap message... In-Reply-To: <000001bdada7$43f957c0$2080e2cf@ghowell> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >From: nathan >I went to Deal's Gap yesterday for a long anticipated ride. I was >extremely disappointed to find myself face-to-face with a U.S. park ranger. > He informed me that, effective this past Tuesday, July 7th, all >motorcycles riding Deal's Gap must have a permit from the U.S. Park >Service. Since US129 runs through national forests, the U.S. Forestry >Service determined that the park service, having a permit system set up, >would be the logical choice to administer the permits and enforce same. Hmmmm ... A Federal permit required to ride on a State highway? Only motorcycles are required to buy these permits? Possibly true, probably not. >The permit costs $300 per year, and includes a "cleanup" fee and a $100,000 >accidental death and dismemberment insurance policy for those motorcyclists >that "go down" while riding the Gap. Apparently, there has been a great >deal of money spent on cleanup after riders wreck their bikes, and their >insurance policies don't always cover that cleanup. That's true - reckless riders hurt us all. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 09:03:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21288; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04275 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05345 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id JAA12849; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma012823; Mon, 13 Jul 98 09:03:07 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3WWC4SRL>; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:03:21 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: failing to see bikers Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:03:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >I've come to believe that folks don't look for other vehicles, rather they >look for open spots in traffic, and don't see what they aren't looking for. Or parking spots. Which is what happened to me in Old Town yesterday. There I am sitting at a light on a side street, when this guy in an old Honda Accord in front of me (MD plates, natch) suddenly back up because he sees a parking spot across the street and wants to do a 3-pt turn to get into it. I go for the horn but too late -- thud, into my front tire. No damage to bike, me, or him. He jumps out of the car, says "Are you OK?" (at least he asked the right question first. I take a look at the bike just to be sure all's well and say, "You need to look behind you before you back up!" He says, "I looked in the side mirror... I didn't see you..." I say, irate but not nasty, "I guess that really isn't enough, is it. That's why they tell you to physically turn your head around in driver ed." He apologizes profusely, I give him a "you are a total idiot look" and say, "Learn something from this, OK? What there was a pedestrian behind you? Or a baby carriage?" He didn't bother to try to get the parking spot... just drove away embarrassed. --John Whiteside From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 09:23:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21644; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04624 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zip1.ziplink.net (known zip1.ziplink.net [206.15.168.18]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05756 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (holm@localhost) by zip1.ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA19788 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:21:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Julie and/or Mark Holm To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ride to Work Wednesday In-Reply-To: <199807122300.TAA24386@tove.cs.umd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I apologize if this is redundant, but I have been too busy to do more than briefly scan the list. And not riding except to work, either. :-( Anyway, Wednesday is Ride to Work Day, sponsored by the AMA and some other groups. As many as can should get on those bikes and ride. Let the folks on the road know how many of us there are. Let the folks in your office know that "regular" people, like their colleages, ride. You can even do this if you take metro. Many metro stations (including Vienna and Dunn Loring) have motorcycle parking in the Kiss and Ride area. And its free. If you ride a bike to Vienna (where this parking is on the south side of the station only, by the way) you can save the $2.25 parking fee that you otherwise pay when you take a car. And these parking spaces are terribly underused. See you on the road Wednesday, and in the metro lot (I'll be parked at Dunn Loring) Julie --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Julie Holm (ENTP)| DoD #1604 AMA#397939 UKMC# 0001 VOC# 4672 holm@XXXXXX | 1985 Virago 700 "Maureen" | I'm home at http://www.ziplink.net/~holm NGG Webmistress | Remember the PINK PAGES are always changing (Just and Armourer | like a Nasty Girlie's mind!) | NGG home page http://www.ziplink.net/~holm/ngg/ngg.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 09:24:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21659; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04634 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05781 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807131324.JAA05781@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AA7BBD0180; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:24:14 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:18:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Crash Advice Part 2 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:18 PM 7/12/98 -0400, WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > How do I keep them from trying to hit me with >bending his frame (aside from I think its next to impossible to bend a GSXR >frame on a 15 MPH crash)? Probably can't. Agree quickly on what his damages are. Hope he doesn't sue you for medical claims, rental car, and lots of plastic bodywork. >he did slow down in front of me for no apparent reason. What's your point? >Since some of you were talking about following distances and >such, we did have about 15 feet between us but the combo of him slowing and me >catapulting closed that distance quickly. I always keep at least 3 seconds >time between me and the person in front of me. For 15 ft. following distance to be 3 sec. behind would mean you were going less than 4 mph. In your first post you said you were going 25mph and then started to accelerate. 15 ft. would put you 0.5 sec. behind him, and accelerating. >In the end, I am going to pay his damages, but I am seriously worried about >them trying to hit me with bending his frame. If the frame is not brought >into account the damage shouldnt be more than maybe $1500 at most. Rather pay >that then my rates go up that much per year. Sound wise? Negotiate everything you can. I think you're lucky, and I believe you think so, too. This could be a lot worse - take it as a fairly cheap lesson in riding. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 09:24:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21660; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04635 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05779 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807131324.JAA05779@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AA7EBD0180; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:24:14 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:00:21 -0400 To: "Dc Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: A bolt of Pontiac -- MC down In-Reply-To: <070301bdadb8$1a4ec700$4510b1cd@newmicronpc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:10 PM 7/12/98 -0400, mobacc wrote: > In these near perfect conditions, >a little after noon last Monday, >I was poking north on 213 just past the middle of Centreville, MD. > >KEEEEEEEERIIIIST!! A bolt from the blue, an '86 Pontiac, came across the >road >from the left (not a left turner; had previously been noted/discounted; >slow speed) immediately in front of me. Whew. Glad you're okay. [insert standard rant against Brain Dead Cagers being allowed to drive on public roads] Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 09:34:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21894; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04786 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06138 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807131334.JAA06138@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ACB04E4033E; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:33:36 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:30:35 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: failing to see bikers In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:03 AM 7/13/98 -0400, Whiteside, John wrote: >He says, "I looked in the side mirror... I didn't see you..." > >I say, irate but not nasty, "I guess that really isn't enough, is it. That's >why they tell you to physically turn your head around in driver ed." > >He apologizes profusely, I give him a "you are a total idiot look" and say, >"Learn something from this, OK? What there was a pedestrian behind you? Or a >baby carriage?" > >He didn't bother to try to get the parking spot... just drove away >embarrassed. Good job. Sounds like you said all the right things - those things that most of us seem to think of about a day after the incident! One more cager educated. Only millions left to go. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 09:36:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21921; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:36:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04818 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06184 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:36:44 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170E43@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: No plans for the weekend.. Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:34:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Alright.. this is a rarity, I've no plans for this weekend (I really need to take someone out on a ride for awhile one night.. no biggie though). I don't know that I'm up to hanging with the double yellow mofo gang if they're out cruising.. but I'm up for a spirited ride. 400~500 miles should be a decient day - haven't been on a NoVA ride in forever.. so even the old rutine ride would be fun for me.. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 09:41:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21985; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04902 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06289 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA08518 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:41:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: No plans for the weekend.. In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170E43@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > Alright.. this is a rarity, I've no plans for this weekend (I really > need to take someone out on a ride for awhile one night.. no biggie > though). I might be able to get out on Saturday. I'd like to do a ride on my brother's Radian so I'll be a fair bit slower than usual (due to the bouncy bouncy suspension). I'll let you know. > double yellow mofo gang What is this? Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 09:51:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22046; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05036 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06488 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:51:07 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WLIZa06640 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:48:03 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Crash Advice Part 2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 In a message dated 98-07-12 15:24:26 EDT, WantAZX6@XXXXXX writes: > How do I keep them from trying to hit me with > bending his frame (aside from I think its next to impossible to bend a GSXR > frame on a 15 MPH crash)? A good mechanic should be able to tell what damage was preexisting. He should let a mechanic of your choosing look it over to get up an estimate. > Second, he did slow down in front of me for no > apparent reason. He had right of way. Its your fault. On top of that you lost control. Forget putting any negligence onto him. > Next, he has no insurance, is > this an issue at all? I talked to a policeman friend of mine who told me (I > take with a grain of salt) that since he is riding without insurance he > shouldnt even be on the road and in a court that may work against him since > he was riding illegally. Even if he had no license, you were negligent. It is an issue you could bring up if fault was unclear but no point here. > I was told by my ins.co. that aftermarket exhaust and accessories are not covered in a > crash. In Virginia you are required to have a minimum amount of auto insurance for the personal property of others that you might damage. [$25,000 I think.] You don't have to have any coverage for your property. Your insurance company may not cover your accessories if you are at fault. Your insurance should cover all of his property damages including exhaust, accessories, torn clothes, broken glasses, loss of use of the vehicle, etc. > Rather pay > that then my rates go up that much per year. Sound wise? Depends on your record and particulars. Check with your agent but be careful. You are required to report all accidents and they may take it as a report if you tell them the details. Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 09:55:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22078; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05139 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:55:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (known imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06623 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:55:24 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WUJa012330 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:53:41 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Crash Advice Part 2 - following dist. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-07-13 09:31:54 EDT, you write: << >Since some of you were talking about following distances and >such, we did have about 15 feet between us but the combo of him slowing and me >catapulting closed that distance quickly. I always keep at least 3 seconds >time between me and the person in front of me. For 15 ft. following distance to be 3 sec. behind would mean you were going less than 4 mph. In your first post you said you were going 25mph and then started to accelerate. 15 ft. would put you 0.5 sec. behind him, and accelerating. >> Well, my figures as to distance may not be very accurate (didnt use a tape measure). But at any rate, there was a 3 second cushion. Nit picking? Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 10:06:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22321; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05335 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1a.yahoomail.com (known send1a.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.22]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06920 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980713140458.15255.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send1a; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 07:04:58 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 07:04:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: No plans for the weekend.. To: Kirk Roy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---Kirk Roy wrote: > > double yellow mofo gang > > What is this? > > Kirk > > Perhaps this is a question best answered by John K. "Pass FAST on double yellow's" == _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 10:14:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22679; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:14:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05458 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA.COM (known pasha.com [207.32.107.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07228 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:03:25 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:02:50 -0400 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Saturday Ride Report Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Saturday Ride Report Sounds like fun! You guys had a great day for riding. Sean Sullivan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well it all started at the Amoco in Marshall , the group was all together by 7:50a.m. Lets do this every weekend ;~) Craig (hope I got it right) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 10:25:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22992; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05581 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07531 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:25:41 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id KAA25671 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:25:30 -0400 Message-Id: <199807131425.KAA25671@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:25:30 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:25:30 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:25:30 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:18:38 -0400 Subject: Crash advice (long but please read) To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <63538000.35a853c2@aol.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME Jack, Based on what you said happened, if you had called the police, you most likely would of been cited for the following: Failing to maintain proper control. Following too closely. If you rear end someone, YOU are ALWAYS at fault. IMHO, if you don't want to involve the police/insurance companies, YOU need to ante up the money to repair your friends bike. He didn't hit YOU...in fact, you hit HIM and in the eyes of the law, are liable for damages. -aki > This evening I had an unfortunate incident occur and was wondering if anyone > could contribute some advice. This evening in Georgetown (DC for you on the > TL list) I was riding with a few other people. We were going down M Street at > about 25 MPH. We started accelerating when my TL ran over some oil or a > manhole cover. The back tire lost traction (plenty of rubber on it) for a > second (spinning) and suddenly caught traction again and catapulted me into > the back of another rider on a GSXR. I tried to brake in time but the short > distance seperating us didnt give me enough time. We both went > down....uninjured luckily. My TL sustained very minor damage (broken left > front turn signal...nothing a little super glue cant take care of, broken > brake pedal.....some more glue or something similar and a scuff on the > fairing....all minor) but the GSXR didnt fare so well. Severely dented > exhaust pipe, scuffed fairing, assorted small damage (signal, etc). It > started right up as did my TL. Anyway, we made the two BIG NO-NO's when it > comes to accidents. We both agreed that it was a no fault accident and we > didnt involve the cops so no report or anything. Im not trying to get out of > helping him with his bike but I dont think that my insurance will pay shit > considering we agreed it was no fault and there is no report to decide fault. > After all, it doesnt bother me that ins wont pay. > Ive been told that in a situation like this ins. cos. cant be sure who is at > fault so they wont pay. If Im not mistaken considering the circumstances I > technically wouldnt have to pay him anything (but Im not like that). Does > anyone have any advice or similar situations? I would be willing to pay half > of the repair estimate but not much more. Please help. > > Jack > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 10:39:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23302; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05819 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07990 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA21629 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:38:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA08194 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:38:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980713143828.MZOS11946@XXXXXX> for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:38:28 -0400 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Mid-Ohio Superbike Races Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:38:24 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bdae6b$e4acb760$325420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 For those of you who REALLY don't have anything to do this weekend... The Mid-Ohio Superbike races are July 17-19, 1998. Info on the track can be found at http://www.midohio.com/ I've talked to a few folks about this and it's gotten rave reviews. Street Atlas 5.0 says it about ~420 miles and 7:12 hours away. So, I'm going. I'll be leaving probably early Friday morning and coming back Sunday. They allow camping at the track for $25, so I'll be taking my gear. Anyone else interested, let me know. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 11:08:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23817; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07230 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA.ORG (known NB160-194.ibtnet.com [206.135.160.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09055 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA-Message_Server by ACA.ORG with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:06:30 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:07:47 -0400 From: David Wakefield To: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Crash Advice Part 2 -Reply "In Virginia you are required to have a minimum amount of auto insurance for the personal property of others that you might damage. $25,000 I think." Are you sure about this? Liability insurance in mandatory in Maryland, but in Virginia, I thought you had the option of paying the state some special five or six hundred dollar "no insurance fee" and then driving "at your own risk" by not carrying auto/bike insurance at all. My brother actually did this a couple of years ago. (Yeah, I know it was stupid to do so, but he thought he was saving money this way.) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 11:17:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24087; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07881 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:17:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09527 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA01701; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:17:29 -0400 (EDT) From: adl64@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: David Wakefield Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Crash Advice Part 2 -Reply Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:20:57 GMT Message-ID: <35b62599.838069437@relay.mnsinc.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:07:47 -0400, David Wakefield wrote: >Are you sure about this? Liability insurance in mandatory in Maryland, >but in Virginia, I thought you had the option of paying the state some >special five or six hundred dollar "no insurance fee" and then driving = "at >your own risk" by not carrying auto/bike insurance at all. Dave -=20 I think you are correct... except that I think it was only $300 that you had to pay! Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 11:23:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24191; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08093 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09709 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:23:10 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA25911; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:25:25 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma025746; Mon, 13 Jul 98 11:24:22 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EW100GHHHCANG@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 85256640.00546539 ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:21:49 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:21:40 -0400 Subject: Another MC shooting To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256640.00546A1B.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL What's with people shooting motorcyclists? >From today's AP news wire ... http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19980713/V000313-071398-idx.ht ml --chris ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 11:37:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24574; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08567 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po4.wam.umd.edu (known po4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.166]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10447 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac5.wam.umd.edu ((IDENT root)@rac5.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.145]) by po4.wam.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.9.0.Beta6) with ESMTP id LAA08813; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac5.wam.umd.edu ((IDENT sendmail)@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac5.wam.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.9.0.Beta6) with ESMTP id LAA20671; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by rac5.wam.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.9.0.Beta6) with SMTP id LAA20659; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:36:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: rac5.wam.umd.edu: elkouss owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:36:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Paul F. Elkouss" To: Anita Lauro cc: David Wakefield , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Crash Advice Part 2 -Reply In-Reply-To: <35b62599.838069437@relay.mnsinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It is still too high, I just got a quote for a 300k policy (liability) for only $222/yr. Coming from Jersey, insurance is so *cheap* here that it pays to get it. Paul Elkouss University of Maryland 1990 Yamaha yx600 Radian On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Anita Lauro wrote: > On Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:07:47 -0400, David Wakefield > wrote: > > >Are you sure about this? Liability insurance in mandatory in Maryland, > >but in Virginia, I thought you had the option of paying the state some > >special five or six hundred dollar "no insurance fee" and then driving "at > >your own risk" by not carrying auto/bike insurance at all. > > Dave - > > I think you are correct... except that I think it was only $300 that > you had to pay! > > Anita > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 11:39:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24623; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08952 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10589 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:38:53 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA29757; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:41:02 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa29583; Mon, 13 Jul 98 11:39:55 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EW100I37I1NLX@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 85256640.0055C8D5 ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:36:59 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:34:30 -0400 Subject: Leno, jokes and Harleys To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256640.00559B9B.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL FYI. http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19980711/V000465-071198-idx.ht ml ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 11:40:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24709; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu (known ringding.cs.umd.edu [128.8.126.2]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09124 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12984 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:40:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA02895; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:40:31 -0400 (EDT) From: adl64@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: "Paul F. Elkouss" Cc: David Wakefield , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Crash Advice Part 2 -Reply Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:43:58 GMT Message-ID: <35b92b01.839453345@relay.mnsinc.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:36:34 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >It is still too high, I just got a quote for a 300k policy (liability) = for >only $222/yr. Coming from Jersey, insurance is so *cheap* here that it >pays to get it. Well, I imagine the only people who would pay $300 to drive without insurance were in such a position that they couldn't purchase liability insurance for $222. Maybe I'm wrong! Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 11:46:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24985; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09695 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlalaw.com (known mail.dlalaw.com [207.32.65.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11118 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DLADC01-Message_Server by dlalaw.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:40:09 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:39:52 -0400 From: Kelli Jareaux To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 95 Honda Shadow 1100 I have an opportunity to buy a 95 Honda Shadow with 4400 miles on it for $3,500. I have seen and ridden the bike. It appears to be in good condition with the exception of some slight damage done to it when it was dropped (a couple of scratches on the tail pipe, a dent in the metal foot support, and the cap on the handlebars is broken). As I rode it I noticed a vibration at about 55 mph, which the owner claims is due to his need to service the lube point (I have no idea what this is). The owner is willing to have me take it to my mechanic (Garcia, I hope you are reading this) so that will be an opportunity for me to determine if it has major repair issues. It is belt driven. I am looking for advice on whether this is a good deal and whether the shadow is a good bike. I have been riding for close to ten years but have never owned a bike that cost me more than $1,500 and never owned anything but Yamahas (which I have been very satisfied with). I currently ride a 650 and want the additional power for the highway. My bike is a 1982 and a Jewel that I will hate to get rid of. This Shadow is two tone red and black, rather than the basic black of my bike which I prefer. I want the Shadow, if it is a great deal because it will be paid off. If it is not such a great deal or not such a great bike, I will take my time and consider financing a new Virago or maybe even a Harley. I am looking for a cruiser that is quiet, smooth and fast. I know Harleys can be loud but I like the way the handlebars can be customized and the readily available accessories. Any advice is appreciated. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 11:50:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25035; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10032 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11199 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA19894; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <352PQLSV>; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:47:38 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F288F@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'christopher.meier@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Leno, jokes and Harleys Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:47:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Chris, Neither of the two Wash. Post links worked for me...could you post what you entered in their search field to get to those pages? I keep getting file not found on the ones you listed > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > [SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, July 13, 1998 11:45 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Leno, jokes and Harleys > > FYI. > > http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19980711/V000465-071198-idx.h > t > ml > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 11:58:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25470; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10372 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11750 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA20454; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <352PQLSX>; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:59:23 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F2891@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Kelli Jareaux'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 95 Honda Shadow 1100 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:59:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain If the bike is sound, that sounds like a fair price. Shadows are excellent machines. Kind of have that fat boy look too... (without the price tag). They are smooth, fast, and typical Honda: very reliable. A few years back when I checked out all the full size cruisers (except HD), these were by far and away the most comfortable of the cruisers. The Virago had lots of shiiny stuff that looked cheap, and the seat was really uncomfortable 9and that was just sitting on it in the showroom)...not to mention I'm not a huge fan of the high sweepback style handlebars. The Intruder was nice as well, but I think the 800 looks better than the 1400 (but only in picky ways) The Kawi Vulcan has a behemoth of an engine, but the bike just looked downright plain..nothing to get you excited other than the cc's in the motor. Have a competent mech check it out first though...your vibration could be as simple as the front tire not being balanced properly, or...it could be some serious problem... Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 12:00:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25513; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:00:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10484 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11825 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA21960; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:02:09 -0400 Message-ID: <35AA2F09.9209C8E@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:00:09 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Crash Advice Part 2 - following dist. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't buy it. If there was a 3 sec following distance, then your reaction time to the stuff in the road was horrible. At 25 mph, stopping time is less than two seconds, and stopping distance is about 30 feet. A one second reaction at 25 mph would take 37 feet. A 3 second following distance at 25 is 3*37 feet or a little over 100 feet. So if you really did have a 3 second following distance, you had more than 100 feet; should have been able to stop in about 70 feet, but still rear-ended the vehicle in front of you. Given your description, I would believe that you were following MUCH closer than 3 seconds (but probably farther than 15 ft.) when the incident happened. It really doesn't matter. You (or your insurance company) have an obligation to fix the GSX-R. Leon. Chris Norloff observed: > For 15 ft. following distance to be 3 sec. behind would mean you were going > less than 4 mph. In your first post you said you were going 25mph and then > started to accelerate. 15 ft. would put you 0.5 sec. behind him, and > accelerating. >> > WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > Well, my figures as to distance may not be very accurate (didnt use a tape > measure). But at any rate, there was a 3 second cushion. Nit picking? > > Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 12:12:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25847; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10850 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12350 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA21194 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <352PQLS9>; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:12:48 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F2894@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: racing: short version Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:12:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain The short scoop: Saturday I disengaged my brain. Mild lowside in Turn 5 at about 50mph (that's why I lowsided:)) No harm to me or bike (other than some dirt and pride). Got up, engaged brain, re-entered the race and turned some fairly consistent lap times and passed a lot of people back but was still a lap down on them...finished 26 of 32. Sunday was much better. Took it fairly easy in practice, made a few suspension tweaks, got a decent start, passed a handful of people then diced with one other guy till the end of the race. He passed me on the binders into turn 1 then really tapped the brakes forcing me wide to prevent hitting him.. got off the concrete patch in T1, so I had to back way off...he took 5th place by about 100yds. 6th on my 3rd race is fine by me. Turned consistent low 1:23 lap times. One watch got me at a 22.32 lap while another showed 21.8!! I'll take it..that's fast enough to hang with the front runners.... I need to go up a few teeth on the rear sprocket since I was barely getting into 6th at the end of the main straight... maybe I can drop those times a bit more again... Stay tuned..the long version will be put on my web page tonight or tomorrow when I get time... Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 12:26:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26319; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11061 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13302 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA22814; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:27:38 -0400 Message-ID: <35AA3502.380C85B4@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:25:38 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anita Lauro CC: David Wakefield , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Crash Advice Part 2 -Reply References: <35b62599.838069437@relay.mnsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The applicable sections of Virginia Code are 46.2-705, 46.2-706 and 46.2-472. Requirement is for 25K/50K/20K liability. Uninsured motorist fee is $400 but may be prorated for part of a year. Leon. Anita Lauro wrote: > > I think you are correct... except that I think it was only $300 that > you had to pay! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 12:32:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26497; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11431 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13699 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:32:41 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170E4C@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: racing: short version Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:30:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yea, and it only took you about 3~4 minutes after running away from your bike till you re-engaged.. sitting over there chatting it up with the 7 pick-up man and 5 captin.. hrm, bike's fine.. it's a 30 minute race.. you crashed on lap 3... Collin was running around like a headless chicken getting helmet gloves and bike to get back in the race... it was sorta funny to watch with the binoculars (I was attempting to see why the bike was out of commision).. It was a BEAUTIFUL weekend.. nothing at all like the previous WERA weekend.. the weather was mid 80's, low himidity.. it was beautiful.. so were some of the cornerworkers.. erh, wait.. you didn't hear that.. :P -----Original Message----- Saturday I disengaged my brain. Mild lowside in Turn 5 at about 50mph (that's why I lowsided:)) No harm to me or bike (other than some dirt and pride). Got up, engaged brain, re-entered the race and turned some fairly consistent lap times and passed a lot of people back but was still a lap down on them...finished 26 of 32. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 12:35:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26528; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11536 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.rtcdirect.com (known ns.rtcdirect.com [208.138.238.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13810 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grover.rtcdirect.com ([192.168.16.9] (may be forged)) by ns.rtcdirect.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA07123 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:45:11 -0400 Received: by GROVER with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3MQJC51X>; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:37:05 -0400 Message-ID: <71D739DB74A8D111BB1800805FA9C49526F935@GROVER> From: "Westbrook, Richard" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: One more this past weekend Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:37:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain It seems that this weekend was not a great one for quite a few people on the list, and unfortunately you can add me to the statistics. I was out with Craig, Glenn, Bruce, Tom, Dave and Steve on a great ride on perfect day. It was perfect until rt.56. I had been keeping up with the group very well but still keeping it at a pace where I felt comfortable. As Craig wrote it is fun road with lots of tight turns one of them being a little tighter that I had thought. I came upon a descending left turn which I should have been able to make no problem if I had pushed it through. But instead I saw the turn and chickened out. I hit the brakes hard and the back tire locked up. My bad instincts caused me to straightened up the bike and I headed for the grass. Unfortunately there was about a two foot drainage ditch and as soon as I hit that the bike went low side (I think) and I went for a tumble. I'm not sure what happened but the bike ended up on the right side with the front wheel pointing the opposite direction I was going. I am going to have a pretty good bruise on my hip, but other that I am unhurt. That God for protective gear!! The bike on the other hand did not fare so well. It seems to be all cosmetic (big expensive pieces of plastic) so that it somewhat good. All the plastic on the left side will need to be replaced and the whole tail section was bashed up pretty good. My insurance company loves me. That goodness it was derivable, cause we were out in the middle of nowhere! Thanks again to Craig, Glenn, Bruce, Tom, Dave and Steve because without them I would have been screwed. I always feel secure when riding with people from DC-Cycles because I know if the unthinkable happens I am in good hands with experienced smart riders. I keep you all posted of the progress and should hopefully have it up and running in a few weeks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 12:48:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26957; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12196 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14599 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:49:01 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170E4F@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: One more this past weekend Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:47:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Smart riders, or smart-ass riders? Sorry to hear about the incident Rich.. Maybe it's cause the bike's red.. ever think about repainting? Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work I always feel secure when riding with people from DC-Cycles because I know if the unthinkable happens I am in good hands with experienced smart riders. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 12:54:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26999; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12333 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14729 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA00071; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:53:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199807131653.LAA00071@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ip7.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net(38.30.47.7) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma000008; Mon Jul 13 11:52:47 1998 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bill Schmidt" To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:50:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Leno, jokes and Harleys Reply-to: billsch@XXXXXX Priority: urgent In-reply-to: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F288F@MSCEX> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Try adding the "tml" to the end of the url: http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19980711/V000465-071198 -idx.h > Chris, > Neither of the two Wash. Post links worked for me...could you post > what you entered in their search field to get to those pages? > > I keep getting file not found on the ones you listed > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > > [SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, July 13, 1998 11:45 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Leno, jokes and Harleys > > > > FYI. > > > > http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19980711/V000465-071198-idx.h > > t > > ml > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 13:02:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27205; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12840 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14995 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:02:17 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8YFZa13456; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <48398af1.35aa3d76@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:01:40 EDT To: kjareaux@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: 95 Honda Shadow 1100 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 A Shadow is definitely a good bike. I would recommend having your mechanic looking at it thoroughly. The visible damage is all minor. For $3,500, it sounds like the owner has dropped the price a fair bit (MCN value is almost $6,500). I would have your mechanic check over the bike very well, including the front suspension. I've never heard of a bike that had a noticeable vibration go away with oil. I'd be a bit suspicious of the extent of damage. I own an 83 Shadow 750, and it does vibrate at certain RPM, but is consistent in every gear. The vibration you speak of sounds damage related. I'd recommend a Shadow (I love Hondas anyway), but this one may not be such a great buy. Good luck! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 85 Nighthawk 450 (still for sale) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 13:04:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27233; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12921 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15108 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 300; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:04:05 -0400 Message-ID: <35AA3E17.5164FA2F@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:04:23 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: racing: short version References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F2894@MSCEX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > > The short scoop: >... 6th on my 3rd race is fine by me. > Turned consistent low 1:23 lap times. One watch got me at a 22.32 lap while > another showed 21.8!! I'll take it..that's fast enough to hang with the > front runners.... > Yeah, it was my watch which clocked you at 1:21.8x something. I was over in the grandstands past the carousel (turn 8?) timing you there. But I guess it's the times at the start/finish line that matter, huh? Hanging with the front runners on your third race is certainly impressive! Even on Saturday after you low-sided (which I missed, somehow, even though I should have been able to see it from where I was) after you reentered the race, you had your best times (by my watch, at least) and hung with the 4th place guy, right? Anyway, I had a blast watching you race, it made the day much much more interesting watching people you know out there. I had a good time hanging around in the pits with you guys, too. > I need to go up a few teeth on the rear sprocket since I was barely getting > into 6th at the end of the main straight... maybe I can drop those times a > bit more again... Get that tach hooked up, too, so you have a better idea of how many teeth to add on the back. Do the other racers run right up to redline, or do they back off a bit? Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 13:05:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27267; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13023 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15207 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:05:40 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WMFAa26053 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:02:26 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Leno, jokes and Harleys Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 same here. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 13:24:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27484; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13386 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malady.cais.net (known malady.cais.net [199.0.216.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15884 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:24:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (dynamic91.cais.com [207.226.56.91]) by malady.cais.net (8.8.7/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id NAA06111 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980713131329.006a6940@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:13:29 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Mike Subject: Re: A bolt of Pontiac -- MC down In-Reply-To: <070301bdadb8$1a4ec700$4510b1cd@newmicronpc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:10 PM 7/12/98 -0400, you wrote: >Vulcan down. Not, as thought, godlike invincible. Me now >walking (with winces), thank the Lord. Shiny bike probably totalled. Ohhh Man!, Bummer, Hope you heal quickly, Hail the aerostich. Mike B. 1998 ZX900R From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 13:24:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27485; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13385 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malady.cais.net (known malady.cais.net [199.0.216.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15881 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (dynamic91.cais.com [207.226.56.91]) by malady.cais.net (8.8.7/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id NAA06099 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980713102853.006a6940@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:28:53 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Mike Subject: Re: A bolt of Pontiac -- MC down In-Reply-To: <070301bdadb8$1a4ec700$4510b1cd@newmicronpc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:10 PM 7/12/98 -0400, you wrote: >Vulcan down. Not, as thought, godlike invincible. Me now >walking (with winces), thank the Lord. Shiny bike probably totalled. Ohhh Man!, Bummer, Hope you heal quickly, Hail the aerostich. Mike B. 1998 ZX900R From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 13:29:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27583; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13448 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlalaw.com (known mail.dlalaw.com [207.32.65.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16111 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DLADC01-Message_Server by dlalaw.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:31:00 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:30:47 -0400 From: Kelli Jareaux To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 95 Honda Shadow Thanks for all of the comments so far. A few additional details. The guy selling the bike is the relative or boyfriend of a woman I have worked with for about eight years. He is moving to California due to a military transfer and will be aboard ship most of the time. He says this is why he is selling and looking for a quick sale for the payoff amount of the bike only. This could all be a big con but I know and trust the woman I work with and don't think she would risk work relations by advertising a bum bike in our internal classifieds just to help this guy make $3,500. I could be wrong and will definitely have the Garcia give it a through look before I buy. Its good to know that so many people think the shadow is a good bike though. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 14:19:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29353; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15424 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18293 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p16dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.48]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA08784; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:19:19 -0400 Message-ID: <003401bdae8a$c5545480$30f31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: , , Subject: Re: TL paint job color suggestions? Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:19:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Wouldn't _you_ rather pick your own color? You're the one who has to look at it every day. I would be hesitant to choose the color of my bike just because some idjit on a mailing list said it would look good. Sorry to hear about the accident....at least everyone is ok. -----Original Message----- From: To: ; Date: Sunday, July 12, 1998 7:56 PM Subject: TL paint job color suggestions? >I am seriously considering repainting my TL (currently dark green) since those >fairing scratches are rather obvious (and please, save the "character" stuff). >Anybody have any suggestions as to a color? I like black but maybe thats too >common. Actually I was imagining a white TL with the black engine, chrome >headers and stock pipes. Just get dirty too fast tho. Also, I wouldnt paint >it until after the tank is replaced (which, has started to leak a bit....brown >trail on the frame) with the recall one. Any suggestions? I am looking for >solid colors only (unless you have a really kick ass idea). > >Jack -- Tom Gimer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 14:26:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29506; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15818 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18597 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807131826.OAA18597@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A141990150; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:26:09 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:12:03 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: One more this past weekend In-Reply-To: <71D739DB74A8D111BB1800805FA9C49526F935@GROVER> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:37 PM 7/13/98 -0400, Westbrook, Richard wrote: >a >little tighter that I had thought. I came upon a descending left turn which >I should have been able to make no problem if I had pushed it through. But >instead I saw the turn and chickened out. I hit the brakes hard and the back >tire locked up. My bad instincts caused me to straightened up the bike and I >headed for the grass. Unfortunately there was about a two foot drainage >ditch and as soon as I hit that the bike went low side (I think) and I went >for a tumble. I'm not sure what happened but the bike ended up on the right >side with the front wheel pointing the opposite direction I was going. > >I am going to have a pretty good bruise on my hip, but other that I am >unhurt. That God for protective gear!! Sorry to hear, and glad you're okay. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 14:26:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29511; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15817 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18595 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807131826.OAA18595@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A13D990150; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:26:08 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:07:55 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Leno, jokes and Harleys In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F288F@MSCEX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The addresses are good, but the line is so long it gets wrapped - on mine I had to add "ml" at the end. The way it's wrapped now, it needs "tml". Chris Norloff ****************************************************** At 11:47 AM 7/13/98 -0400, Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: >Chris, >Neither of the two Wash. Post links worked for me...could you post what you >entered in their search field to get to those pages? > >I keep getting file not found on the ones you listed > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX >> [SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Monday, July 13, 1998 11:45 AM >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Leno, jokes and Harleys >> >> FYI. >> >> http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19980711/V000465-071198-idx.h >> t >> ml >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 14:42:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29929; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16288 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate.citicorp.com (known egate.citicorp.com [192.193.195.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19074 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:42:11 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate.citicorp.com id OAA23581 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:41:56 -0400 Message-Id: <199807131841.OAA23581@egate.citicorp.com> Received: by egate.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:41:56 -0400 Received: by egate.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:41:56 -0400 Received: by egate.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:41:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:39:07 -0400 Subject: RE: Leno, jokes and Harleys -text To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199807131826.OAA18595@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME here's what the web site said: Leno Defends Harley Rider Joke Saturday, July 11, 1998; 1:56 p.m. EDT MILWAUKEE (AP) -- Jay Leno's onscreen crack about overweight Harley-Davidson riders in Milwaukee earned him some hate mail from beefy bikers who didn't think it was funny. ``I didn't mean anything by it,'' the ``Tonight'' show host and motorcycle buff told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. ``It was a joke.'' On his show June 15, after appearing at Harley-Davidson's 95th anniversary reunion and leading a parade of 50,000 bikers, Leno said he feels fat in Los Angeles, but in Milwaukee with all those bikers, he felt thin. Leno told the same joke on stage in Milwaukee that weekend as master of ceremonies at the reunion and ``people laughed at the joke,'' he said. He was surprised so many people got upset when he repeated the gag on television. ``People are writing me a lot of hate mail,'' Leno said. ``They say, `I hope you die...' (and) `You come out here and pick on Milwaukee.' ``I was really picking on myself,'' Leno said. ``Most of the guys I saw had a few extra pounds and were in their 40s, like me.'' From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 14:48:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29995; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16472 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19264 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA27144 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:50:01 -0400 Message-ID: <35AA5661.32884A7E@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:48:01 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TL paint job color suggestions? References: <003401bdae8a$c5545480$30f31bce@richard> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thomas H. Gimer wrote: > some idjit on a mailing list said it would look good. You don't have to take my word for it, I can prove how good it looks. :-) But the decals will cost about $40, and you can't get them from Coleman's. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 15:24:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00808; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17649 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (known f146.hotmail.com [207.82.251.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20522 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 784 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 1998 19:23:15 -0000 Message-ID: <19980713192315.783.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.128.133.43 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:23:15 PDT X-Originating-IP: [192.128.133.43] From: "vfr 800" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Hot Pavement? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:23:15 PDT I stole this idea off of the VFR list. Take an octagonal electrical box fitting and use that to put your side stand down on when you find yourself in grass or on hot pavement. I bought one in the Sterling Home Depot for $.37. It even has a hole to tie a string on to attach to your handle bar! --John '98 VFR GO RIDE!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 15:27:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00850; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17715 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20642 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm1-06.dial.nova.org (pm1-06.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.134]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA15336 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:27:33 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TL paint job color suggestions? Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:27:35 GMT Message-ID: <35aa5f88.1657379664@mailgate.nova.org> References: <003401bdae8a$c5545480$30f31bce@richard> <35AA5661.32884A7E@illuminet.net> In-Reply-To: <35AA5661.32884A7E@illuminet.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I vote for that greenish color they use on the Dodge Neons... Yeah, go for it! Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 15:32:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01070; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17897 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20865 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 185; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:31:57 -0400 Message-ID: <35AA609E.C2931A84@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:31:42 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, DC Cycles List CC: "Thomas H. Gimer" Subject: Re: TL paint job color suggestions? References: <003401bdae8a$c5545480$30f31bce@richard> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- > From: > To: ; > Date: Sunday, July 12, 1998 7:56 PM > Subject: TL paint job color suggestions? > > >I am seriously considering repainting my TL (currently dark green) And just what is the matter with dark green? Hmm? I personally think the dark green look with plenty of bug splatters is a very cool look! :) Actually, it took me a few weeks and an email mild email flame war to actually convince me that my stolid, sensible looking Concours is actually a two-tone, Dark Green (Luminous Windsor Green, I think) and Charcoal Grey on the underside of the fairing. Oh, those wild, out of control, psychedelic, day-tripping color guys at Kawasaki, they slipped that one right in on an unsuspecting public! Shocking, huh? :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 15:34:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01163; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17951 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (known f231.hotmail.com [207.82.251.122]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20978 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29557 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 1998 19:33:40 -0000 Message-ID: <19980713193340.29556.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.119.40.132 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:33:40 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.119.40.132] From: "Don Burger" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Leaking F3 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:33:40 PDT This is the second time I sent this, the first appears to be lost in electronic limbo. I’m looking for some advise on the dealers up around Laurel, Maryland. My 96 F3 (7500 miles) is leaking from the rear of the engine case where it bolts together ( by the upper not the lower split), I want to bring to the dealer to get if fixed under the extended warrantee. My only problem is that I have no clue as to what dealers around Laurel, MD have mechanics worth a damn. I don’t want to take it someplace and end up with more problems than when I started. If anyone could offer me any advise on a shop I would be grateful. Thanks Don B 96 - F3 "Leaky" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 15:41:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01280; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:41:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18414 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21281 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 148; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:41:06 -0400 Message-ID: <35AA62D8.33FA76DA@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:41:12 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TL paint job color suggestions? References: <003401bdae8a$c5545480$30f31bce@richard> <35AA5661.32884A7E@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Begeman wrote: > > You don't have to take my word for it, I can prove how good it looks. > :-) But the decals will cost about $40, and you can't get them from > Coleman's. > Heh, heh, the John Deere V-Twin SuperBike! That would certainly turn more heads than any other paint job on the planet. Guaranteed. Then even the Harley guys will come over and talk about your bike. :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 15:48:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01464; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18701 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21501 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:47:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.84] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA00330; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:48:11 -0400 Message-ID: <004b01bdae96$d1f406c0$5473c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" , "Westbrook, Richard" Subject: Re: One more this past weekend Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:45:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >It seems that this weekend was not a great one for quite a few people on the >list, and unfortunately you can add me to the statistics. > >snip > >I am going to have a pretty good bruise on my hip, but other that I am >unhurt. That God for protective gear!! Rich, I'm -very- glad you are unhurt and that you made it home safe! > >The bike on the other hand did not fare so well. It seems to be all cosmetic >(big expensive pieces of plastic) I know it's expensive, but all things mechanical can be replaced. They build new ones every day! >Thanks again to Craig, Glenn, Bruce, Tom, Dave and Steve because without >them I would have been screwed. The Roadside Pit-Crew! >I always feel secure when riding with people >from DC-Cycles because I know if the unthinkable happens I am in good hands >with experienced smart riders. Rich, I feel the same way and I consider you one of those experienced smart riders. > >I keep you all posted of the progress and should hopefully have it up and >running in a few weeks. Good luck & let me know if you need any help. Bruce From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 15:57:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01750; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18884 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21868 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:58:08 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170E59@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Hot Pavement? Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:56:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" And to think all this time I just used a crushed soda can (if I lose it, easily replaced) - fits nicely in my front 'Stich pocket to boot.. not like I care if I loose it.. :P Works good too.. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- From: vfr 800 Sent: Monday, July 13, 1998 3:23 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Hot Pavement? I stole this idea off of the VFR list. Take an octagonal electrical box fitting and use that to put your side stand down on when you find yourself in grass or on hot pavement. I bought one in the Sterling Home Depot for $.37. It even has a hole to tie a string on to attach to your handle bar! --John '98 VFR GO RIDE!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 16:00:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01797; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19057 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from davinci.hscribe.com (known [208.138.226.163] [208.138.226.163]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21947 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mpetty.hscribe.com (URANIUM.hscribe.com [208.138.226.126]) by davinci.hscribe.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-29260U500) with SMTP id AAA211 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:54:34 -0400 X-Sender: mpetty@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: mpetty@XXXXXX (Mark Petty) Subject: shipping costs/looking for a bike Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:54:34 -0400 Message-ID: <19980713195434351.AAA211@mpetty.hscribe.com> Okay, now that I've accomplished both the pre-requisite three weeks lurking _and_ the motorcycle safety course, I now feel it is now the appropriate time to post. Two things: I'm looking for a good condition cruiser in the $2,500 range. I'm a big guy, so something in the 750cc to 1100cc range is prefered, and will give me something to grow into. Anybody know of one for sale? Second, a friend of a friend is selling an 84 Manga V45 in Michigan for $1400 (with saddle bads and stuff). Anybody have a clue on shipping costs and time involved to get it from there to here? Good or bad experiences? Thanx, Mark (license still hot in the laminate) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 16:27:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02474; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:27:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20042 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.worldbank.org (known smtp02.worldbank.org [138.220.3.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22866 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:27:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Pcoleman@XXXXXX Received: from WBLN0014.worldbank.org ([138.220.29.7]) by worldbank.org (PMDF V5.1-8 #16195) with SMTP id <01IZCVIECD6S8ZDWKO@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:48:22 EDT Received: by WBLN0014.worldbank.org(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256640.006D0EE0 ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:51:12 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:51:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Leaking F3 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256640.006CE663.00@WBLN0014.worldbank.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: WORLDBANK -Don Burger - Don, Do you have a reason to not take it to Heyser Cycle on Rt 1? It's in Laurel, right across from the Silver Diner, or pretty near, anyway. They've been there a long time. I haven't had much to do with them for a few years, but never had any problems when I did have them do work on my bikes. Regards, Perry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 16:33:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02535; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20215 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:33:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23022 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA18908; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:32:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv1-21.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.53) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma018859; Mon Jul 13 15:31:53 1998 Message-ID: <35AA995B.55B2@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:33:47 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Motorcyclist found dead Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had probs getting that URL to work also, so here is a brief synopsis. Ky. men in all-terrain vehicles found dead Police said Monday they had a identified a suspect in the shooting deaths of three men who had been riding all-terrain vehicles in a mountainous, heavily wooded area in eastern Kentucky. "We are looking at a suspect in this case.... We're right in the heat of the investigation," Sgt. Lon Fields of the Kentucky State Police said, without disclosing the circumstances of the deaths or a possible motive. Autopsy results were awaited on the bodies of 19-year-old Randy Stevens and cousins Douglas and Scotty Middleton, aged 21 and 27 respectively. The victims were from Olive Hill. They were found Sunday by other riders near the entrance to Tarkiln Cave, an isolated spot in this rugged region crisscrossed by trails and creeks. Their four-wheel all-terrain vehicles were parked nearby. (Reuters) -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 16:39:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02593; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu (known ringding.cs.umd.edu [128.8.126.2]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20282 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25756 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:38:56 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA01034; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807132040.QAA01034@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: shipping costs/looking for a bike To: mpetty@XXXXXX (Mark Petty) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980713195434351.AAA211@mpetty.hscribe.com> from "Mark Petty" at Jul 13, 98 03:54:34 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > Okay, now that I've accomplished both the pre-requisite three weeks lurking > _and_ the motorcycle safety course, I now feel it is now the appropriate > time to post. > > Two things: > > I'm looking for a good condition cruiser in the $2,500 range. I'm a big guy, > so something in the 750cc to 1100cc range is prefered, and will give me > something to grow into. Anybody know of one for sale? > > Second, a friend of a friend is selling an 84 Manga V45 in Michigan for > $1400 (with saddle bads and stuff). Anybody have a clue on shipping costs > and time involved to get it from there to here? Good or bad experiences? My neighbour sold one liek that for 1500 few weeks ago. M45 // 84 - I had one, for 2 years. Great bike. Comfy, good engine, wonderful for longer rides. There is active V45 community, with lotsa of info. Search for V45 with Yahoo. Or Aki will tell you where to look for it ( he has V65). Why shipping ? Fly & ride back - 2-3 days ride. For AMA memeber, one of shipping companies has decent rates, - look into back of any moto rags (Cycle worlds certainly has this ad ). > > Thanx, > Mark (license still hot in the laminate) > Welcome !! _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 17:02:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03124; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20699 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mac_dell.hst.nasa.gov (known dhcp100_96.hst.nasa.gov [198.118.96.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24615 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 198.118.96.1 by mac_dell.hst.nasa.gov (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT) Received: from dn7ty ([198.27.17.92]) by lmmail.hst.nasa.gov (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 238 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:58:15 -0400 Message-ID: <049a01bdaea1$8e1a2e10$5c111bc6@dn7ty.hst.lmms.lmco.com> From: "Rottier.Amy" To: "DC Cycles List" Subject: ERC Sunday? Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:02:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Was anybody here at the Experienced Rider Course on Sunday at NOVA? I was supposed to go, but never got my adoublesquiggle in gear. But, I happened to be riding by with my husband Mark and friend Ven (on my way to see my friend's new house), and stopped to stare. Since none of us recognized anybody, we just pulled away. But if any of you were there and saw three weirdoes staring at you (yellow Seca, maroon Gold Wing, white PC800), it was us'ns. I am, however, signed up for the course in September at PGCC. Later, Amy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Amy Elizabeth Rottier Donovan aka Platypus =) Lockheed Martin Technical Operations Rottier.Amy@XXXXXX ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 17:10:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03343; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20831 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:10:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate.citicorp.com (known egate.citicorp.com [192.193.195.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25018 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:10:08 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate.citicorp.com id RAA14556 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:08:26 -0400 Message-Id: <199807132108.RAA14556@egate.citicorp.com> Received: by egate.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:08:26 -0400 Received: by egate.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:08:26 -0400 Received: by egate.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:08:26 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:05:59 -0400 Subject: Re: Another Deal's Gap message... To: mayotte@XXXXXX Cc: bmwmc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <01bdae44$97184040$4d4b36d1@default> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ...it was a troll...it was also posted in the SABMAG list and some locals in that area went to check it out...all of it was complete BS... -aki > > > >I went to Deal's Gap yesterday for a long anticipated ride. I was > >extremely disappointed to find myself face-to-face with a U.S. park ranger. > > He informed me that, effective this past Tuesday, July 7th, all > >motorcycles riding Deal's Gap must have a permit from the U.S. Park > >Service. > > How do you spell discrimination ? > > Mark Ayotte > > > > > X-Priority: 3 > X-Msmail-Priority: Normal > X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 17:24:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03571; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21125 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate.citicorp.com (known egate.citicorp.com [192.193.195.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25687 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:24:03 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate.citicorp.com id RAA17075 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:21:49 -0400 Message-Id: <199807132121.RAA17075@egate.citicorp.com> Received: by egate.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:21:49 -0400 Received: by egate.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:21:49 -0400 Received: by egate.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:21:49 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:19:24 -0400 Subject: Re: shipping costs/looking for a bike To: zbig@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mpetty@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199807132040.QAA01034@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME the V45 is a great bike, nuff HP to get you where you're going but at the same time tame enough not to scare the bejeezus out of you...DO NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES buy a V65 until you've had some real time experience under the belt..that much hp, as with alot of the bigger liter bikes, will chew you up and spit you out alot faster than you care to imagine...there's a reason most people suggest you start with a smaller cc bike... ;-) cheers, -aki > > > > > Okay, now that I've accomplished both the pre-requisite three weeks lurking > > _and_ the motorcycle safety course, I now feel it is now the appropriate > > time to post. > > > > Two things: > > > > I'm looking for a good condition cruiser in the $2,500 range. I'm a big guy, > > so something in the 750cc to 1100cc range is prefered, and will give me > > something to grow into. Anybody know of one for sale? > > > > Second, a friend of a friend is selling an 84 Manga V45 in Michigan for > > $1400 (with saddle bads and stuff). Anybody have a clue on shipping costs > > and time involved to get it from there to here? Good or bad experiences? > > My neighbour sold one liek that for 1500 few weeks ago. > > M45 // 84 - I had one, for 2 years. Great bike. Comfy, good engine, > wonderful for longer rides. > > There is active V45 community, with lotsa of info. Search for V45 with > Yahoo. Or Aki will tell you where to look for it ( he has V65). > > Why shipping ? Fly & ride back - 2-3 days ride. > > For AMA memeber, one of shipping companies has decent rates, - look > into back of any moto rags (Cycle worlds certainly has this ad ). > > > > > Thanx, > > Mark (license still hot in the laminate) > > > > Welcome !! > > _zjt > > X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 > X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. > Content-Type: text > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 17:25:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03602; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21166 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (known iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25774 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bellatlantic.net (client196-111-152.bellatlantic.net [151.196.111.152]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with ESMTP id RAA26318; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35AA7762.5711F207@bellatlantic.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:08:50 -0400 From: Andrew Lewis Reply-To: pellaz@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kelli Jareaux CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 95 Honda Shadow 1100 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It sounds like about 400 in cosmetic repairs (and the lion's share of that goes to new pipes...the handlebar cap is about 10 and peg about 25). It also sounds like a great deal. I have a 94 Shadow 600 that I love. Shadows handle great, and Honda's are dinosaurs. They are also (and this goes even more for the 1100 than the 600) extremely customizable. Corbin makes a number of seats, they are a variety of pipes available, air filter covers, Handlebars, yadda yadda yadda. Andrew Lewis 94 Shadow 600 Kelli Jareaux wrote: > I have an opportunity to buy a 95 Honda Shadow with 4400 miles > on it for $3,500. I have seen and ridden the bike. It appears to > be in good condition with the exception of some slight damage > done to it when it was dropped (a couple of scratches on the tail > pipe, a dent in the metal foot support, and the cap on the > handlebars is broken). > > As I rode it I noticed a vibration at about 55 mph, which the > owner claims is due to his need to service the lube point (I have > no idea what this is). The owner is willing to have me take it to > my mechanic (Garcia, I hope you are reading this) so that will be > an opportunity for me to determine if it has major repair issues. > It is belt driven. > > I am looking for advice on whether this is a good deal and > whether the shadow is a good bike. I have been riding for close > to ten years but have never owned a bike that cost me more > than $1,500 and never owned anything but Yamahas (which I > have been very satisfied with). > > I currently ride a 650 and want the additional power for the > highway. My bike is a 1982 and a Jewel that I will hate to get rid > of. This Shadow is two tone red and black, rather than the basic > black of my bike which I prefer. I want the Shadow, if it is a > great deal because it will be paid off. If it is not such a great > deal or not such a great bike, I will take my time and consider > financing a new Virago or maybe even a Harley. > > I am looking for a cruiser that is quiet, smooth and fast. I know > Harleys can be loud but I like the way the handlebars can be > customized and the readily available accessories. > > Any advice is appreciated. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 17:41:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03748; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21373 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26256 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm2-27.dial.nova.org (pm2-27.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.251]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA17933; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:40:54 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, turk@XXXXXX, jstanford@XXXXXX, bob.rapp@XXXXXX Subject: Weekend trip Aug 8-10 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:40:59 GMT Message-ID: <35b27e71.1665293189@mailgate.nova.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =46irst, the current list of potential participants is: Mike B Steve Beck Donald Burger Glenn Dysart Tom Gimer Craig Johnston Anita Lauro Chris Meier Bruce Norton Kirk Roy Sean Sullivan Robert VanSlyke Ursulina Viteri At the end of this message are a couple estimations for the to/from routes for the trip. There will be a significant amount of flexibility possible. Some may choose to scoot down or home on the interstates (I made it home from Princeton in 5.5 hours in a torrential rain - that includes stops), others may choose to cut some part short using the interstates, and most of us will surely choose the back roads. Note that the time estimates do not include stops. Kirk To Princeton from I-66 rest stop (highlights - US211, US250, US219): West I-66 for 21 miles South VA647 for 16.7 miles Left VA522 for 3.1 miles Right US211 for 37.9 miles South I-81 for 40 miles West VA275 for 5.3 miles Right (west) US250 for 63.3 miles Left WV28 for 31.5 miles Left WV39 for 6.5 miles Left US219 for 87.1 miles Right US460 for 15.4 miles Right service road just past I-77 for .2 miles Right Oakvale Rd for .1 miles Left Ramada Inn, Princeton, WV Approximately 7 hours riding time and 325 miles Here's a possible ride home (highlights - US19, US60, US33): Right Oakvale Rd for .1 miles Left service road for .2 miles Right US460 for 4.6 miles Right US19 for 71.3 miles Right US60 for 51.9 miles Right WV39 for 5.6 miles Left WV28 for 54 miles Right US33 for 55.1 miles North I-81 for 53 miles East I-66 for 48 miles Stop at I-66 rest stop Approximately 8.5 hours riding time and 344 miles From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 18:57:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA04788; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22161 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28260 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:57:08 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WBCYa19317 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:44:11 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: TL paint job color suggestions? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-07-13 14:19:24 EDT, you write: << Wouldn't _you_ rather pick your own color? You're the one who has to look at it every day. I would be hesitant to choose the color of my bike just because some idjit on a mailing list said it would look good. I was just getting ideas for a color.......and I got them. Im thinking of either black or blood red or maybe bright yellow. Sorry to hear about the accident....at least everyone is ok. >> Thanks. Im not liking how this is turning out so far tho. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 19:14:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA05062; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA22344 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo30.mx.aol.com (known imo30.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.74]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA28829 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:13:57 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WIRNa26166 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3b982495.35aa9318@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:07:03 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: POCONO RACES ----- AUG. 28-30th Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 I plan on taking off of work the 29th and 30th to go to pocono raceway for the races that weekend. there are supposed to be alot of things going on: demonstrations, exhibits, riding schools, etc. On sunday at noon there is a parade lap around the course for anyone with a valid mc license and registered bike. The schools are free for anyone who buys a new Suzuki TL or GSXR (ooooh, lucky me!). Im not sure of what they are otherwise. There is camping accomodations at the raceway, but I think Im gonna shack it up at a hotel. I left the flier for it at work, but I will have ticket prices as of tomorrow. So far, its me and (most likely) Jay (jaynik@XXXXXX). We would love to have more people go. Maybe get some group discounts going on. If someone wants to go, please email me so I can get an idea of the number we are talking about and try to find a hotel for everyone. More details to come. Sean G. Petr 98 "Killer TLR" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 19:25:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA05503; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA22847 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlalaw.com (known mail.dlalaw.com [207.32.65.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29814 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DLADC01-Message_Server by dlalaw.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:27:01 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:27:07 -0400 From: Kelli Jareaux To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: I will buy the 1995 1100 Shadow for $3,000, provided my mechanic okays it. Thanks to everyone for your help. Based on your responses, I sought another $500 off the price tag and the right to cancel the transaction if my mechanic does not five the bike the green light. The seller agreed. Wish me luck. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 20:36:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA06687; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA23453 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA02632 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.54] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA00207; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:35:44 -0400 Message-ID: <35AA60CB.70658957@anent.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:32:27 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: shipping costs/looking for a bike References: <199807132040.QAA01034@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit zbig@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > Okay, now that I've accomplished both the pre-requisite three weeks lurking > > _and_ the motorcycle safety course, I now feel it is now the appropriate > > time to post. Welcome 'Back' zzZZZ , I have to admit that I have missed you and your witty coments..... ;~) It's been to long without the BIG-Z livening up my monitor screen..ehehehehehehehhehe Hope that the sling is just getting simpathy and not really needed any more... The thought of you home on a Saturday , while the rest of the "West Side Gang" is out riding has been distracting for me to say the least.. Awaiting your return(when your totally healed & ready). Craig Blue TL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 20:40:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA06754; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA23507 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA02706 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:40:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.54] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA00223 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:40:44 -0400 Message-ID: <35AA61F6.1661E20A@anent.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:37:26 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 8-10 References: <35b27e71.1665293189@mailgate.nova.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds really twisty already...I LIKE THAT... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 21:00:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07164; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA23683 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03532 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:00:13 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA01258; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807140102.VAA01258@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: shipping costs/looking for a bike To: peggrinder@XXXXXX (Craig) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Cc: zbig@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35AA60CB.70658957@anent.com> from "Craig" at Jul 13, 98 08:32:27 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > zbig@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > > Okay, now that I've accomplished both the pre-requisite three weeks lurking > > > _and_ the motorcycle safety course, I now feel it is now the appropriate > > > time to post. > > Welcome 'Back' zzZZZ , I have to admit that I have missed you and your witty > coments..... ;~) > Oh my... I am flattered. Well, my wife for last 12 years tells me that I speak before thinking... you are much more polite, sir. > It's been to long without the BIG-Z livening up my monitor > screen..ehehehehehehehhehe > > Hope that the sling is just getting simpathy and not really needed any more... > I am trying to work up my arm, but in a reasonable manner. Some table tennins, waxing the car, moving the lawn... > The thought of you home on a Saturday , while the rest of the "West Side Gang" is > out riding has been distracting for me to say the least.. > well, I will miss next weekend - I have to drive a friend to Cleveland; but next one - if you need a nice chase car, with cooler full of soda, sandwitches, icecream, stuff to tighten and lube chains, wash screens - I am game ! ( unless you want to ride on Friday, and I will chase you and service..) > Awaiting your return(when your totally healed & ready). I can always drive my other bike.... olvov. BTW, what happend to idea of getting a tire replacemetn stuff ? I was thinking about following lines: 1) we put together a list of who is interested ( there were a dozen of folks declaring $$ ); each will chip even amount, splitting the tool costs; whoever chips in location does not chip in money. 2) whoever was founding father, uses it for free; 3) other use it and pay somethign nominal, like $5 or whatever; 4) this money goes for next tools like balancer, etc. 5) if someone does not know how to use it, we can do clinics once a month on friday, with keg party... 6) what I do not want it to develop into is using club staff for side jobs. 7) I think we are ready to start setting DC-cycles as club, and look later for perks like discounty at parts places... ( I belong to volvo club - and that is how it is done... ) > Craig > Blue TL > comments ? _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 21:20:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07312; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA23896 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03852 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:26:38 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dc-cycles as a club? Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:26:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain On Monday, July 13, 1998 9:02 PM, zbig@XXXXXX [SMTP:zbig@XXXXXX] wrote: > 7) I think we are ready to start setting DC-cycles as club, and look > later for perks like discounty at parts places... Great idea!! Whatever happened to our logo? I'd love to be able to wear a dc-cycles t-shirt on the group rides (under Canyon Jacket but clearly visible at rest stops!). Anita '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 21:22:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07319; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA23911 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03887 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:28:34 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" , Craig Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: chase vehicles Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:28:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain On Monday, July 13, 1998 9:02 PM, zbig@XXXXXX [SMTP:zbig@XXXXXX] wrote: > well, I will miss next weekend - I have to drive a friend to > Cleveland; but next one - if you need a nice chase car, with cooler > full of soda, sandwitches, icecream, stuff to tighten and lube chains, > wash screens - I am game ! Ice cream? Cold sodas? Wow! Any chance we can get you to come along on the WV trip? :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 21:31:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07370; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA23981 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA04008 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kiri.meretrix.com (kiri.meretrix.com [209.116.254.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA07929 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kiri.meretrix.com (localhost.meretrix.com [127.0.0.1]) by kiri.meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA01439 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807140131.VAA01439@kiri.meretrix.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles as a club? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:26:38 EDT." Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:31:19 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >Whatever happened to our logo? I'd love to be able to wear a dc-cycles >t-shirt on the group rides (under Canyon Jacket but clearly visible at >rest stops!). We've had one proposal: http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html -harry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Human: Harry Mantakos USPS: 547 E. Gittings St. Baltimore, MD 21230 Email: harry@XXXXXX Evil Twins: harry@XXXXXX, harry@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 21:41:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07419; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA24055 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (known imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA04098 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:41:10 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WJSJa12330; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:35:56 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <82eee43d.35aab5fe@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:35:56 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: NEED IGNITION KILL Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 I need an ignition kill switch by this friday, thursday if possible to be eligible for races. I called pingel, but they only do credit card orders and I have none. does anyone have a used one laying around they dont want? or know of a local place to get one? I dont have any room to mount one on my handle bars, so I dont need a real nice one. I was just going to get a plastic one from pingel, so anything race legal will do. Thanks in advance. Sean G. Petr 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 21:58:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07503; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA24131 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA04310 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA26565; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35AAE609.623B@mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:00:57 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: No plans for the weekend.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirk Roy wrote: > I might be able to get out on Saturday. I'd like to do a ride on my > brother's Radian so I'll be a fair bit slower than usual (due to the > bouncy bouncy suspension). I'll let you know. > > double yellow mofo gang > What is this? > Kirk Hey Kirk, Umm, I think I may be able to shed some light on this curious appellation. Actually Zbig had once explained the orgins of the (original) term to me, which I have, of course, lost... Anyway, I think it was "West Side Double Yellow" in reference to the type of ride the West side boys would do; to wit, pass on double yellows when necessary (and safe). I simply made it into sort of a noun-based phrase and threw in 'mofo' just for fun ;^P Yours in idiomatic creation, JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 22:03:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA07569; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24214 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04382 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr40-dialup19.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0EW20012SB0D5Y@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:02:39 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:00:53 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: POCONO RACES ----- AUG. 28-30th To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <019601bdaee4$62296b20$d34c37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Sean, You can count me in! I went last year and it was a blast!! ================================== Jon Schumer dawn.jon@XXXXXX ICQ#11193913 ================================== -----Original Message----- From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 4:25 PM Subject: POCONO RACES ----- AUG. 28-30th >I plan on taking off of work the 29th and 30th to go to pocono raceway for the >races that weekend. there are supposed to be alot of things going on: >demonstrations, exhibits, riding schools, etc. On sunday at noon there is a >parade lap around the course for anyone with a valid mc license and registered >bike. The schools are free for anyone who buys a new Suzuki TL or GSXR >(ooooh, lucky me!). Im not sure of what they are otherwise. There is camping >accomodations at the raceway, but I think Im gonna shack it up at a hotel. I >left the flier for it at work, but I will have ticket prices as of tomorrow. >So far, its me and (most likely) Jay (jaynik@XXXXXX). We would love to >have more people go. Maybe get some group discounts going on. If someone >wants to go, please email me so I can get an idea of the number we are talking >about and try to find a hotel for everyone. > >More details to come. > >Sean G. Petr >98 "Killer TLR" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 22:24:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA07733; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24351 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04681 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.80] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA00647; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:24:25 -0400 Message-ID: <005d01bdaece$2eeb23e0$5073c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" , "Kirk Roy" Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 8-10 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:18:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >First, the current list of potential participants is: snip >Bruce Norton I'm still good to go! Routes sound good to me! What about the 9th? I'm looking at my map to get familiar w/ the area. Kirk, you are the man for putting this together! Kudos for your efforts! I'm really starting to get psyched up for this. I've been on one other overnight ride, but it was only two days. I'm looking forward to three. Any recommendations for essentials to pack? (tank bag & tail pack) Thanks again! Bruce From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 22:24:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA07739; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24357 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm02sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm02sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04688 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr40-dialup19.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) with SMTP id <0EW200A48BZH8V@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:23:43 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:21:57 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: dc club/tire changer To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" , DC Cycle Club Message-id: <01fe01bdaee7$533c96c0$d34c37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >> zbig@XXXXXX wrote: >BTW, what happend to idea of getting a tire replacemetn stuff ? > >I was thinking about following lines: > >1) we put together a list of who is interested ( there were a dozen of >folks declaring $$ ); each will chip even amount, splitting the tool >costs; whoever chips in location does not chip in money. > >2) whoever was founding father, uses it for free; > >3) other use it and pay somethign nominal, like $5 or whatever; > >4) this money goes for next tools like balancer, etc. > >5) if someone does not know how to use it, we can do clinics once a >month on friday, with keg party... > >6) what I do not want it to develop into is using club staff for side >jobs. > > >7) I think we are ready to start setting DC-cycles as club, and look >later for perks like discounty at parts places... > > >( I belong to volvo club - and that is how it is done... ) Zbig, good ideas. I like it. I'm in for whatever $$ it takes to get one. Has anyone found a used one yet? I'm a car mechanic and will talk to the tool guys(snap-on, mac, etc.) and see if they can find a cheap used one. I would offer the use of one at work, but don't know how well it would work for bike rims. I'll have to try it on mine first, before I scratch someone else's rims. ================================== Jon Schumer dawn.jon@XXXXXX ICQ#11193913 ================================== From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 22:38:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA07905; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24534 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04962 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.86] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA00691 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:39:00 -0400 Message-ID: <35AA7DAE.ADC3C281@anent.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:35:42 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: chase vehicles References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That would be too nice...just think Z-big serving hot dogs and sodas from the back of the OVLOV, what a sight .....hey I bet we could sell tickets.....yea thats it I got money for the first pack of dogs and rolls...heheeheeeeheeeee Anita Lauro wrote: > On Monday, July 13, 1998 9:02 PM, zbig@XXXXXX [SMTP:zbig@XXXXXX] > wrote: > > > well, I will miss next weekend - I have to drive a friend to > > Cleveland; but next one - if you need a nice chase car, with cooler > > full of soda, sandwitches, icecream, stuff to tighten and lube chains, > > wash screens - I am game ! > > Ice cream? Cold sodas? Wow! Any chance we can get you to come along > on the WV trip? :-) > > Anita > '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 22:42:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08013; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24595 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05051 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.86] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA00704 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:43:02 -0400 Message-ID: <35AA7E9F.8FCA5703@anent.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:39:43 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles as a club? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That idea seems to have faded....What about it all you Graphic Design people????? Lets get some serious ideas going and promote ourselves.......There are enough of us that it would cut the cost way down if we bonded together as a CLUB and not just as a bunch of individual computer/biker intellects. ;~) Anita Lauro wrote: > On Monday, July 13, 1998 9:02 PM, zbig@XXXXXX [SMTP:zbig@XXXXXX] > wrote: > > > 7) I think we are ready to start setting DC-cycles as club, and look > > later for perks like discounty at parts places... > > Great idea!! > > Whatever happened to our logo? I'd love to be able to wear a dc-cycles > t-shirt on the group rides (under Canyon Jacket but clearly visible at > rest stops!). > > Anita > '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 22:44:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08031; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24615 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05090 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.86] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA00711 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:44:46 -0400 Message-ID: <35AA7F08.8E7D9F9A@anent.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:41:28 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles as a club? References: <199807140131.VAA01439@kiri.meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it's too Dark needs to be really bright and flashy...catch the eye and be highly visable Harry Mantakos wrote: > >Whatever happened to our logo? I'd love to be able to wear a dc-cycles > >t-shirt on the group rides (under Canyon Jacket but clearly visible at > >rest stops!). > > We've had one proposal: > http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html > -harry > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Human: Harry Mantakos USPS: 547 E. Gittings St. Baltimore, MD 21230 > Email: harry@XXXXXX Evil Twins: harry@XXXXXX, harry@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 22:45:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08037; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24626 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm03sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm03sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.152]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05100 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr40-dialup19.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM03SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27035) with SMTP id <0EW2001SJCY7M3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:44:35 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:42:46 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Leaking F3 To: Don Burger , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <021c01bdaeea$3d1357a0$d34c37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 I haven't heard of any bad experiences from Heyser Cycle. They've been around a long time and should be right around the corner from you. I don't have any personal experience with their service dept., I do my own work, but I get parts from them all the time. Granted, it's not the best place around, but it's not Coleman! You could also try Cycle World in Brooklyn Park(above Glen Burnie). I wouldn't recommend Cycles USA(Wheaton), because their turn around time is awful. They literally take forever to do anything. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Don Burger To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 12:52 PM Subject: Leaking F3 This is the second time I sent this, the first appears to be lost in electronic limbo. I’m looking for some advise on the dealers up around Laurel, Maryland. My 96 F3 (7500 miles) is leaking from the rear of the engine case where it bolts together ( by the upper not the lower split), I want to bring to the dealer to get if fixed under the extended warrantee. My only problem is that I have no clue as to what dealers around Laurel, MD have mechanics worth a damn. I don’t want to take it someplace and end up with more problems than when I started. If anyone could offer me any advise on a shop I would be grateful. Thanks Don B 96 - F3 "Leaky" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 22:52:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08098; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24799 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05324 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.86] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA00747 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:52:46 -0400 Message-ID: <35AA80E8.9A22FAF2@anent.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:49:28 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: dc club/tire changer References: <01fe01bdaee7$533c96c0$d34c37a6@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My brother is the Snap-on tool dealer for Fairfax , I can talk to him and see if he can come up with one....I to have worked on, and around cars for the past 15 years and i currently use the tire machine at Leesburg Honda (Cars) to do my tires and it works great. The kind of machine that clamps the rim from the outer edge , not on the inside Painted surface... Craig Jon S. wrote: > >> zbig@XXXXXX wrote: > > >BTW, what happend to idea of getting a tire replacemetn stuff ? > > > >I was thinking about following lines: > > > >1) we put together a list of who is interested ( there were a dozen of > >folks declaring $$ ); each will chip even amount, splitting the tool > >costs; whoever chips in location does not chip in money. > > > >2) whoever was founding father, uses it for free; > > > >3) other use it and pay somethign nominal, like $5 or whatever; > > > >4) this money goes for next tools like balancer, etc. > > > >5) if someone does not know how to use it, we can do clinics once a > >month on friday, with keg party... > > > >6) what I do not want it to develop into is using club staff for side > >jobs. > > > > > >7) I think we are ready to start setting DC-cycles as club, and look > >later for perks like discounty at parts places... > > > > > >( I belong to volvo club - and that is how it is done... ) > > Zbig, good ideas. I like it. I'm in for whatever $$ it takes to get > one. Has anyone found a used one yet? I'm a car mechanic and will talk to > the tool guys(snap-on, mac, etc.) and see if they can find a cheap used one. > I would offer the use of one at work, but don't know how well it would work > for bike rims. I'll have to try it on mine first, before I scratch someone > else's rims. > > ================================== > Jon Schumer > dawn.jon@XXXXXX > ICQ#11193913 > ================================== From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 22:54:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08113; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24820 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:54:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05358 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-99-20.s20.tnt13.ann.erols.com [207.172.99.20]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA21770; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:54:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35AAC827.EAF066DA@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:53:27 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: POCONO RACES ----- AUG. 28-30th References: <3b982495.35aa9318@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sean, The school is taught by team Emgo/Valvoline Suzuki, aka Team Hammer. >From what I hear, it's one of the better street schools out there. I wish the dealer I got my 93 from would have mentioned that you get to go for free, but oh well..that was a long time ago... Have fun up there... CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: The schools are free for anyone who buys a new Suzuki TL or GSXR > (ooooh, lucky me!). Im not sure of what they are otherwise. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 22:58:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08162; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24883 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05422 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id WAA02736; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:55:37 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:55:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: suzuki-l@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycle Subject: mechanical q: starter clutch assembly slipping on crankshaft Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi... I mostly ride a (modified) 1978 GS-750. Sometimes the electric starter spins without turning the motor. (Fortunately, there's a kick starter.) The reason this happens seems to be that the starter clutch assembly is slipping on the crankshaft--it's a tapered shaft without splines or key to hold the starter clutch (and alternator rotor) from slipping. Instead, it's a press-fit, held in place by a none-too-robust bolt and split washer, which I don't want to tighten further, for fear of breaking. In other words, the starter motor turns the starter clutch assembly properly, but the (high compression) engine doesn't move. So: anyone got a crafty idea about how to keep this starter clutch assembly attached to the crankshaft? Thanks. --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 23:06:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08270; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25027 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05638 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-99-20.s20.tnt13.ann.erols.com [207.172.99.20]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA25902; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35AACAFA.BA96D8A0@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:05:30 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, DC Cycles , Balt-cycles Subject: Re: NEED IGNITION KILL References: <82eee43d.35aab5fe@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sean, Where are you racing at? I'm assuming you're talking drag racing. Last time I went out to MIR, anything under 11 secs needed a dead man's switch...which that killer TL fits into easily. Although, I noticed they weren't too picky about it. There were a pair of gixers running mid 10's without the kill switch... One option is to take a very small tap screw and screw it into the kill switch on the right bar. Then tie a light cord to it with a weak link (so it doesn't keep you attached in case of a spill). They'll accept that, and the resulting mark from the screw is very very small... While you're out there, could you kinda ask around if any of the drag race regulars is in need of a race tire (180/55 17) Dunlop D207 race comp. Very sticky and plenty of meat where a drag racer needs it...not so much meat for cornering though :) It'll fitjust about anything running a 5.5-6" rim. I used it on my racebike (GSXR). it'll fit TL's but might shrink the contact patch a bit...but then again, you can't get race compound dunlop's in 190 (or so I'm told...I've never seen one, though I hear they may be available in Europe..those bastages...) anyhow...let me know if you find someone interested..I'll entertain any reasonable offer... Collin CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > > I need an ignition kill switch by this friday, thursday if possible to be > eligible for races. I called pingel, but they only do credit card orders and > I have none. does anyone have a used one laying around they dont want? or know > of a local place to get one? I dont have any room to mount one on my handle > bars, so I dont need a real nice one. I was just going to get a plastic one > from pingel, so anything race legal will do. Thanks in advance. > > Sean G. Petr > 98 TLR -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 23:08:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08286; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25079 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05654 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (207-172-151-216.s25.as1.abr.erols.com [207.172.151.216]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA26394 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <033f01bdaed4$473fb860$d897accf@default> Reply-To: "Mr. Bill" From: "Mr. Bill" To: "DC Motorcyclists" Subject: Ride to Work Day Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:54:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Hey everybody! July 15th is the date of the 7th annual RIDE TO WORK DAY. Please ride your bike to work to demonstrate the number of motorcyclists to politicians and the general public, that motorcycles are for transportation as well as recreation, that motorcyclists are from all occupations and walks of life, and that motorcycles can reduce congestion. Mr. Bill -- DoD #224, UB #8, KotFMLO Ubi non accusator, ibi non judex denizen@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 23:08:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08292; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25091 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05662 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA02052 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:08:48 -0400 (EDT) From: adl64@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Blast from the past... Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:12:14 GMT Message-ID: <35abcc26.880712529@relay.mnsinc.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone ever check out the archived messages on the dc-cycles webpage?=20 http://www.dc-cycles.org/archives.html Kind of fun to see who was on the list three years ago, and what trouble they were getting into! =20 Anita '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 23:21:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08336; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25238 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05865 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:17:50 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:18:54 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bdaed6$21d232e0$2d80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <199807140131.VAA01439@kiri.meretrix.com> Importance: Normal > >Whatever happened to our logo? I'd love to be able to wear a dc-cycles > >t-shirt on the group rides (under Canyon Jacket but clearly visible at > >rest stops!). > > We've had one proposal: > http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html > -harry What kinda skeezy girl's bike is that on the logo? :) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 23:22:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08345; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25268 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:22:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05894 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id XAA06784; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:15:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:15:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycle Subject: Blatant commercial/battery charger Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The most recent Motorcycle Consumer News (MCN) has a test report on battery chargers. Their "Best Buy" is a 2-amp ("Superior" brand) automatic charger. If you want one and can't find it locally (most of you seem to be in the 'burbs; I'm in the middle of DC), I've got six of them left @ $20. --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 23:30:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08388; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25444 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05997 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:30:40 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WMUIa04520 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:29:08 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <1b59080e.35aad085@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:29:08 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Crash Advice Part 2 -Reply Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 In a message dated 98-07-13 11:08:03 EDT, DavidW@XXXXXX writes: > Are you sure about this? Liability insurance in mandatory in Maryland, > but in Virginia, I thought you had the option of paying the state some > special five or six hundred dollar "no insurance fee" and then driving "at > your own risk" by not carrying auto/bike insurance at all. > Yeah, but I didn't think anybody was stupid enough to pay $600 a year to not be insured. Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 23:44:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08452; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:44:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25560 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06234 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:44:11 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WJCLa04520 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:42:13 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:42:13 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Crash Advice Part 2 -Reply Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-07-13 23:36:01 EDT, you write: << Yeah, but I didn't think anybody was stupid enough to pay $600 a year to not be insured. >> You'd be surprised. But anyway, I could be wrong, but I thought the uninsured motorist charge of $400 (or whatever the figure is) was so that you could REGISTER a vehicle without insurance but you arent supposed to drive/ride it. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 00:22:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA09314; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27145 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07144 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm2-20.dial.nova.org (pm2-20.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.244]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id AAA24123 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:22:18 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: BMW that's actually kind of cool Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 04:22:17 GMT Message-ID: <35abdc03.11378420@mailgate.nova.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Check out a quickie look at a new BMW: http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcbmw/r11s.html Underseat exhaust allows the single sided rear wheel to flap naked in the breeze. Now, if only they'd make wheels that look nice... It looks to have clip-ons mounted below the triples. I don't know that I could get used to having the cylinders/heads sticking out on the sides like that (and there's that shaft drive thing) but BMW is getting closer to building a bike that could make it on my list of desireables... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 01:03:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA09694; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 01:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA27439 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 01:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA07802 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 01:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA29506; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:59:55 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:51:55 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: TL paint job color suggestions? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <8b77fabc.35a94c0b@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 12 Jul 1998 WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > I am seriously considering repainting my TL (currently dark green) IMHO,the green ones are the best looking.But it's your bike. > Any suggestions? I am looking for > solid colors only (unless you have a really kick ass idea). Well,if you're not concerned about jinxing the bike I know of two Buell colors you might like.The first is a deep metallic blue(almost black) that the first S2's had.Really nice,especially with a black motor and some polished/chromed bits to set it off.The second is 'high- voltage yellow' that the '96 S1's had.It was a really bright yellow with a touch of green(like a chartreuse).I was going to get my bike in this color,but got a better deal on the black one. If you're interested in either of these,I have a magazine with the mixing instructions for the colors. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 02:33:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA10426; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA27855 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA08745 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA00763; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:29:44 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:28:37 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: 95 Honda Shadow 1100 To: Kelli Jareaux cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Kelli Jareaux wrote: > As I rode it I noticed a vibration at about 55 mph, which the > owner claims is due to his need to service the lube point (I have > no idea what this is). Where was the vibration?Late model Shadows don't have dual-offset crankpins anymore;they shake like Harleys. > The owner is willing to have me take it to > my mechanic (Garcia, I hope you are reading this) so that will be > an opportunity for me to determine if it has major repair issues. If the owner's willing,go for it.Especially if the guy is claiming the vibration is caused by a lack of servicing.Maybe a bearing is about to go. > It is belt driven. Eh?The only belt drive Japanese bike I know of is the LTD454(not sure about the EN500).If it's an 1100 Shadow it should be a shaftie. If it actually does have a belt,it means the owner did some kind of custom work and I would definitely get it checked by a mechanic.I remember reading an article about a guy who coverted his VMax to a chain and wound up skating down a dragstrip when a seal failed. > I am looking for advice on whether this is a good deal and > whether the shadow is a good bike. I have been riding for close > to ten years but have never owned a bike that cost me more > than $1,500 and never owned anything but Yamahas (which I > have been very satisfied with). From your other post it sounds like the guy just needs to get rid of it.If the only damage is minor cosmetics,and vibes turn out to be no big deal,then it sounds like a pretty sweet deal. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 02:51:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA10594; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA28407 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA08872 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA00851; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:48:17 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:44:33 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Hot Pavement? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170E59@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > And to think all this time I just used a crushed soda can (if I lose it, > easily replaced) - fits nicely in my front 'Stich pocket to boot.. not > like I care if I loose it.. :P Works good too.. Hey,if you really want to be trick you could get one of those cool black plastic footprints.I hear they sell them at Coleman's! ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 03:15:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA10832; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA29312 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA09128 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA00907; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:05:46 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:48:32 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: shipping costs/looking for a bike To: Mark Petty cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980713195434351.AAA211@mpetty.hscribe.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Mark Petty wrote: > Second, a friend of a friend is selling an 84 Manga V45 in Michigan for > $1400 (with saddle bads and stuff). Anybody have a clue on shipping costs > and time involved to get it from there to here? Good or bad experiences? Sorry to be pedantic,but the V45 was made '82-83.The '84's were 700cc (V45 was 750).About the only difference is 50ccs,and the 45's had round headlights and remote-reservoir shocks. The only real probs were the cams.They had a combination of too soft cam material and not enough lubrication.There was a company that made a kit that routed external oil lines to the heads to fix this problem, but I think they went out of business.I've seen plans for a similar kit on one of the V4 webpages,search through Yahoo's motorcycle section (under recreation).My dad had an '84 and wound up going through two sets of cams at $400 per head. Otherwise,they were great bikes,better than the current models.They're just as fast(or faster) than the current ones,plus they have shaft drive, a hydraulic clutch,hydraulic self-adjusting valves,dual front disks,and a centerstand. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 03:15:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA10840; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA29352 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA09144 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA00936; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:12:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:06:41 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: No plans for the weekend.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Kirk Roy wrote: > On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > > Alright.. this is a rarity, I've no plans for this weekend (I really > > need to take someone out on a ride for awhile one night.. no biggie > > though). > I might be able to get out on Saturday. I'd like to do a ride on my > brother's Radian so I'll be a fair bit slower than usual (due to the > bouncy bouncy suspension). I'll let you know. I can do Sat,but I'd have to be back by 5pm(can't tap dance to the boss a second time). I got my gel pad and would love the chance to try it on more than just a lap of the Beltway.I also put on the Vance & Hines.Big boost to my midrange.Sounds way better too. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 03:28:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA10971; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA29747 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA09280 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA01007; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:24:59 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:24:11 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? To: George Howell cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000801bdaed6$21d232e0$2d80e2cf@ghowell> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, George Howell wrote: > What kinda skeezy girl's bike is that on the logo? Grrrrrr...... The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 07:41:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA12281; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA03994 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:40:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1b.yahoomail.com (known send1b.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA11642 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980714113937.26966.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send1b; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 04:39:37 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 04:39:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, George Howell MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Easy now George, You don't want to stir up a bunch of shit...Remember there are lots of Ladies on the list and they might get offended by that remark.....Besides it looks more like one of those uglyass Buells Craig ---George Howell wrote: > What kinda skeezy girl's bike is that on the logo? > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 08:10:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12532; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04219 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1e.yahoomail.com (known send1e.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12162 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980714120643.23386.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1e; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 05:06:43 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 05:06:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Tire Changer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Dysart@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Craig, since I can't seem to post to the list would you let everyone know that I will still host the tire changer. I will also STILL be willing to add $$$ to it unlike what Zbig suggested. Thanx Glenn _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 08:14:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12557; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04262 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1b.yahoomail.com (known send1b.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12302 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980714121301.10862.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1b; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 05:13:01 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 05:13:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: TL paint job color suggestions? To: Leon Begeman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Good luck getting the decals for $40.00 , I have already priced them and $40 will get you squat....The 2 tank decals and thats about it... Craig ---Leon Begeman wrote: > > Thomas H. Gimer wrote: > > some idjit on a mailing list said it would look good. > > You don't have to take my word for it, I can prove how good it looks. > :-) But the decals will cost about $40, and you can't get them from > Coleman's. > > Leon. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 08:16:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12611; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04341 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12354 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ABCBBF0162; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:15:10 EDT Message-Id: X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:54:57 -0400 To: dc-cycle From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: mechanical q: starter clutch assembly slipping on crankshaft In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:55 PM 7/13/98 -0400, Garcia Oliver wrote: >I mostly ride a (modified) 1978 GS-750. Sometimes the electric starter >spins without turning the motor. (Fortunately, there's a kick starter.) >The reason this happens seems to be that the starter clutch assembly is >slipping on the crankshaft--it's a tapered shaft without splines or key to >hold the starter clutch (and alternator rotor) from slipping. Instead, >it's a press-fit, held in place by a none-too-robust bolt and split >washer, which I don't want to tighten further, for fear of breaking. I'd replace the bolt with a good grade-8 bolt. Then I'd ensure that when tightening the bolt, the clutch assembly is being pressed onto the taper (if the bolt bottoms out before tightening onto the clutch, no amount of tightening with help). Then I'd make sure the taper is clean and dry, fit the clutch in place and seat it with a dead-blow hammer. Then tighten the bolt to at least the recommended torque (maybe more). I also might use thread-lock, if I think the engine vibration is loosening the bolt. good luck, and let us know what works, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 08:16:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12612; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04339 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12352 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ABCEBF0162; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:15:10 EDT Message-Id: X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:49:51 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: dc-cycles as a club? In-Reply-To: <35AA7F08.8E7D9F9A@anent.com> References: <199807140131.VAA01439@kiri.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I really like the design. What if instead of a black square background it was round? That'd probably look real good on an orange or yellow t-shirt. Place it on the front so when you unzip your jacket you could see it. Chris Norloff At 10:41 PM 7/13/98 +0100, Craig wrote: >I think it's too Dark needs to be really bright and flashy...catch the eye and be >highly visable > >Harry Mantakos wrote: > >> >Whatever happened to our logo? I'd love to be able to wear a dc-cycles >> >t-shirt on the group rides (under Canyon Jacket but clearly visible at >> >rest stops!). >> >> We've had one proposal: >> http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html >> -harry >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Human: Harry Mantakos USPS: 547 E. Gittings St. Baltimore, MD 21230 >> Email: harry@XXXXXX Evil Twins: harry@XXXXXX, harry@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 08:16:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12616; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04337 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (known oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12349 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA02286; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:15:17 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:15:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: Craig cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles as a club? In-Reply-To: <35AA7E9F.8FCA5703@anent.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I had toyed with a idea along the idea of a motorcycle superposed on a capitol dome, and on a DC geopolitical boundary shape. The latter might lend itself to a diamond shaped patch. My lack of graphic design chops and time stopped me... -ph From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 08:16:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12617; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04345 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12360 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ABD0BF0162; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:15:12 EDT Message-Id: X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:01:03 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Crash Advice Part 2 -Reply In-Reply-To: <1b59080e.35aad085@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> Are you sure about this? Liability insurance in mandatory in Maryland, >> but in Virginia, I thought you had the option of paying the state some >> special five or six hundred dollar "no insurance fee" and then driving "at >> your own risk" by not carrying auto/bike insurance at all. > >Yeah, but I didn't think anybody was stupid enough to pay $600 a year to not >be insured. >Mark That would depend on what your insurance rate would be, and how many assets you have to protect. A young, bad driver might find the $600 a bargain. It sounds terrible, but this is Virginia's way of trying to provide some compensation for people hurt by under-insured or uninsured drivers. At least when I had to investigate getting compensation from them, at the end of the year Virginia would tally up all the damage done by uninsured/underinsured drivers, and spilt the money with all affected. Personally, I think if you can't afford liability insurance you shouldn't be allowed to drive ... and if you're caught driving then you should be jailed and the vehicle be sold, with the proceeds going into this uninsured/underinsured pool. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 08:17:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12626; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04355 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12373 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm1-18.dial.nova.org (pm1-18.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.146]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id IAA27261 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:15:56 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TL paint job color suggestions? Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:16:02 GMT Message-ID: <35ab4be7.40027329@mailgate.nova.org> References: <19980714121301.10862.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> In-Reply-To: <19980714121301.10862.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 14 Jul 1998 05:13:01 -0700 (PDT), Craig wrote: >Good luck getting the decals for $40.00 , I have already priced them >and $40 will get you squat....The 2 tank decals and thats about it... How about www.tapeworks.com? Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 08:33:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12714; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04592 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:32:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malady.cais.net (known malady.cais.net [199.0.216.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12622 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager ([205.177.20.124]) by malady.cais.net (8.8.7/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id IAA06952 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980713144134.006976b8@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:41:34 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Mike Subject: Re: One more this past weekend In-Reply-To: <71D739DB74A8D111BB1800805FA9C49526F935@GROVER> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:37 PM 7/13/98 -0400, you wrote: >It seems that this weekend was not a great one for quite a few people on the >list, and unfortunately you can add me to the statistics. > Good to know you're not too badly hurt, and bike was rideable. Hope you get it fixed up soon. >Thanks again to Craig, Glenn, Bruce, Tom, Dave and Steve because without >them I would have been screwed. I always feel secure when riding with people >from DC-Cycles because I know if the unthinkable happens I am in good hands >with experienced smart riders. > Amen to that brother, amen to that! Mike B. 1998 ZX 900R >I keep you all posted of the progress and should hopefully have it up and >running in a few weeks. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 09:25:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13129; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05388 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13667 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA5295 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:17:57 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:22:53 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:25:39 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Hot Pavement? -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline After leaving two of those black footprints behind on night departures, I've switched to the bright orange ones. Joe '85 Ninja 900 >>> "Gil M. Nissley" - 7/12/98 12:32 AM >>> On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > And to think all this time I just used a crushed soda can (if I lose it, > easily replaced) - fits nicely in my front 'Stich pocket to boot.. not > like I care if I loose it.. :P Works good too.. Hey,if you really want to be trick you could get one of those cool black plastic footprints.I hear they sell them at Coleman's! ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 09:35:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13232; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05624 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ixf2.securewebs.com (known [208.213.173.9] [208.213.173.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13857 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:34:52 -0400 (EDT) From: ChrisH@XXXXXX Received: from jupiter ([199.174.134.83]) by ixf2.securewebs.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-41701U2500L250S0) with SMTP id AAA340 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 06:39:10 +0100 Reply-To: Sender: "Christopher D. Hornbecker" To: Subject: 96 VFR750 for sale and Accessories Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:39:35 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01bdaf2d$943c70a0$0700000a@jupiter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal I have a 1996 VFR for sale. The asking price is $6875, but is negotiable. If you don't like this price make me a reasonable offer. The bike has never been down, and it has always been garaged. The only reason I am selling it is because of a lack of time to ride. I am a small business owner and our company is growing fast....but unfortunately it leaves little to no time to ride this beautiful machine. It is adult owned with only 5,000 miles and not a scratch on it. It also has a magknight magnetic tank bra. You can view pictures of it at http://www.powerlinkusa.com/vfr4sale I also have a Vanson perforated leather jacket, an Arai Quantum/e helmet, an HJC chatterbox unit, VFR manual, and an Eclipse bag for sale....prices listed at the above web site. If you don't like them.....make me an offer! Chris Hornbecker ChrisH@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 09:43:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13320; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05776 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14080 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807141343.JAA14080@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A085C901E0; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:43:33 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:44:59 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Hot Pavement? -Reply In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I hear you there. The only thing that works for me is to tie it to the bike with a piece of string. The string stays permanently attached when I stow the footprint in the fairing. I once rode several miles with the footprint trailing by the string, and never knew it until I stopped and looked for the footprint. Good thing I was at Daytona where I had a chance to impress a few people. :-o So I use weak string, so the footprint will break loose before causing any serious problems. I suppose looping the string around a handgrip would help, as a reminder. Chris Norloff At 09:25 AM 7/14/98 -0400, JOE NAGY wrote: >After leaving two of those black footprints behind on night departures, >I've switched to the bright orange ones. >Joe >'85 Ninja 900 > >>>> "Gil M. Nissley" - 7/12/98 12:32 AM >>> >On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: >> And to think all this time I just used a crushed soda can (if I lose >it, >> easily replaced) - fits nicely in my front 'Stich pocket to boot.. not >> like I care if I loose it.. :P Works good too.. > > Hey,if you really want to be trick you could get one of those cool >black plastic footprints.I hear they sell them at Coleman's! ;-) > > > >The official BuellBoy Genes model. > >gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> > >'98 Fat Boy > >Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 09:59:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13476; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06283 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:58:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (known relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14525 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yw5bc-0002dw-00; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:58:56 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id <3SY5TH67>; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:56:53 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D825473@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: British Magazines... Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:55:13 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I picked up 2 moto-mags while I was stopped over in England. "Superbike" and "Bike." One of them offered a surprise centerfold when I flipped to the middle of the magazine... D'OH!! Well, I did buy them for Tom... ; ) I also got to see a lot of motorcycle racing on t.v. That was really cool. There seems to be a lot more emphasis on it as a sport over there. - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 10:04:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13636; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06490 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:04:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1d.yahoomail.com (known send1d.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.48]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14627 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980714135802.375.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1d; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 06:58:02 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 06:58:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: re: decals To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii oop's ....sorry Leon thought that you meant Suzk decals ---"Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" wrote: > > He's talking about the John Deere decals. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Craig [SMTP:tleatsducks@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 8:13 AM > > To: Leon Begeman; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: TL paint job color suggestions? > > > > > > > > Good luck getting the decals for $40.00 , I have already priced them > > and $40 will get you squat....The 2 tank decals and thats about it... > > Craig > > > > > > ---Leon Begeman wrote: But the decals will cost about $40, and you can't get them from > > > Coleman's. > > > > > > Leon. > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 10:07:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13715; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06539 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.rtcdirect.com (known ns.rtcdirect.com [208.138.238.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14737 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grover.rtcdirect.com ([192.168.16.9] (may be forged)) by ns.rtcdirect.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA08051 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:17:51 -0400 Received: by GROVER with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3MQJC572>; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:09:13 -0400 Message-ID: <71D739DB74A8D111BB1800805FA9C49526F940@GROVER> From: "Westbrook, Richard" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:09:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Well it seems that until the bike is repaired I may have a lot of time on my hands. Don't worry I'll slave away on my computer while you all are out having fun on your working bikes. :-) Rich Westbrook > ---------- > From: Craig > Sent: Monday, July 13, 1998 9:39 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: dc-cycles as a club? > > That idea seems to have faded....What about it all you Graphic Design > people????? > > Lets get some serious ideas going and promote ourselves.......There are > enough of us that it would cut the cost way down if we bonded together as > a > CLUB and not just as a bunch of individual computer/biker intellects. ;~) > > > Anita Lauro wrote: > > > On Monday, July 13, 1998 9:02 PM, zbig@XXXXXX [SMTP:zbig@XXXXXX] > > wrote: > > > > > 7) I think we are ready to start setting DC-cycles as club, and look > > > later for perks like discounty at parts places... > > > > Great idea!! > > > > Whatever happened to our logo? I'd love to be able to wear a dc-cycles > > t-shirt on the group rides (under Canyon Jacket but clearly visible at > > rest stops!). > > > > Anita > > '96 GPZ1100 > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 10:16:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13803; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06954 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14963 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA5639 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:08:25 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:13:17 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:15:47 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: NEED IGNITION KILL -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sean, Dealers that sell ATVs and Watercraft (maybe even outboard motors) carry dead-man swtiches. An ATV one would probably be best. Joe >>> - 7/13/98 9:35 PM >>> I need an ignition kill switch by this friday, thursday if possible to be eligible for races. I called pingel, but they only do credit card orders and I have none. does anyone have a used one laying around they dont want? or know of a local place to get one? I dont have any room to mount one on my handle bars, so I dont need a real nice one. I was just going to get a plastic one from pingel, so anything race legal will do. Thanks in advance. Sean G. Petr 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 10:16:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13808; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06975 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1d.yahoomail.com (known send1d.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.48]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14970 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980714140955.10801.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1d; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:09:55 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:09:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Fwd: FW: Bar chat Translations To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, bnorton@XXXXXX, jjohnsto@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---"Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" wrote: > > > > > Subject: Bar chat Translations > > > > > > "You get this one, next round is on me." > > (We won't be here long enough to get another round.) > > > > "I'll get this one, next one is on you." > > (Happy hour is about to end... now drafts are a dollar, but by the > > next round they'll be $4.50 a pop.) > > > > "Hey, where is that friend of yours?" > > (I have no interest in talking to you except as a way to get your > > attractive friend into a compromising position.) > > > > "Can I get a glass of white zinfandel." (female) > > (I'm easy.) > > > > "Can I get a glass of white zinfandel." (male) > > (I'm gay.) > > > > "I don't feel well, let's go home." (female) > > (You are paying more attention to your friends than me.) > > > > "I don't feel well, let's go home." (male) > > (I'm horny.) > > > > "Who's got the next round?" > > (I haven't bought a round in almost 3 years, but I am an expert at > > diverting attention.) > > > > Excuse Me." (male to male) > > (Get the fuck out of the way.) > > > > "Excuse Me." (male to female) > > (I am going to grope you now.) > > > > "Excuse Me." (female to male) > > (Don't even think about groping me, just get the fuck out of the way.) > > > > "Excuse Me." (female to female) > > (Move your fat ass. Who do you think you are anyway? You are not all > > that, missy, and don't think for one minute that you are. Coming in > > here dressing like a ho...Get your eyes off of my man, or I'll slap > > you, bitch, like the slut you are.) > > > > "Can I have a white Russian?" (male) > > (I'm really gay.) > > > > "Can I have a white Russian?" (female) > > (I'm really easy.) > > > > "That person looks really familiar." > > (Did I sleep with him/her?) > > > > "Can I just get a glass of water?" (female) > > (I'm annoying, but cute enough to get away with this.) > > > > "I don't have my ID on me." (female) > > (I'm 19.) > > > > "I don't have my ID on me." (male) > > (I don't have a license since I got pulled over and blew a 0.4 after > > my last visit here.) > > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 10:24:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13956; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:24:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07604 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15163 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA5742 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:17:04 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:21:54 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:24:15 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles as a club? -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Boy does this sound familiar: "I really like the ad/design/idea BUT . . ." To be fair to people submitting designs, buy it or kill it, but don't try to "fix" it. If you don't like it, send a better one in. $.02 from a guy who gets his ideas "fixed" for a living. : >) Joe '85 Ninja 900 Turd Polisher for A Major Advertising Agency >>> Chris Norloff - 7/14/98 7:49 AM >>> I really like the design. What if instead of a black square background it was round? That'd probably look real good on an orange or yellow t-shirt. Place it on the front so when you unzip your jacket you could see it. Chris Norloff At 10:41 PM 7/13/98 +0100, Craig wrote: >I think it's too Dark needs to be really bright and flashy...catch the eye and be >highly visable > >Harry Mantakos wrote: > >> >Whatever happened to our logo? I'd love to be able to wear a dc-cycles >> >t-shirt on the group rides (under Canyon Jacket but clearly visible at >> >rest stops!). >> >> We've had one proposal: >> http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html >> -harry >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Human: Harry Mantakos USPS: 547 E. Gittings St. Baltimore, MD 21230 >> Email: harry@XXXXXX Evil Twins: harry@XXXXXX, harry@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 10:28:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14036; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07799 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15347 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:28:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA14268 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:28:10 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:28:10 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:29:20 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >I had toyed with a idea along the idea of a motorcycle superposed on a >capitol dome, and on a DC geopolitical boundary shape. The latter might >lend itself to a diamond shaped patch. The interesting thing is that almost none of us are from DC - I'd just as soon not have a pictorial reference to the district. Of the many proposed designs to date, I like the silhouetted bike - I would prefer an M-900 Ducati to the sportster-in-drag, though... Michael (I'm only kidding, already (about the s-i-d, that is)) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 10:36:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14203; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:36:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08310 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15728 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA5830 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:29:04 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:34:00 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:36:26 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jlobrien@XXXXXX Subject: British Magazines... -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Those Brit mags can be awfully un-PC. I prefer "Performance Bikes," which could also be titled "Hooligan Illustrated." And yeah, road racers are actually appreciated in other parts of the world. Roberts, Lawson and Schwantz were/are considered gods in Europe; and Mick Doohan was named Australian Athlete of the Year couple years back. I was in London last summer and had a great Foggy vs. Kocinsky debate with my cabbie on the ride to my hotel. Imagine that happening here! Uh, no. Joe '85 Ninja 900 >>> "O'Brien, Jeannette" - 7/14/98 9:55 AM >>> I picked up 2 moto-mags while I was stopped over in England. "Superbike" and "Bike." One of them offered a surprise centerfold when I flipped to the middle of the magazine... D'OH!! Well, I did buy them for Tom... ; ) I also got to see a lot of motorcycle racing on t.v. That was really cool. There seems to be a lot more emphasis on it as a sport over there. - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 10:49:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14396; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08762 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (known relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16178 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yw6OL-0000Mq-00; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:49:17 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id <3SY5TH0M>; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:47:12 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D82547D@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'JOE NAGY'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? -Reply Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:45:32 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Wow, I just got a chance to see the logo submission. It's TOO COOL!! : ) I like how it looks slightly evil. - Jeannette > >> > >> We've had one proposal: > >> http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html > >> -harry > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > >> Human: Harry Mantakos USPS: 547 E. Gittings St. > Baltimore, > MD > 21230 > >> Email: harry@XXXXXX Evil Twins: harry@XXXXXX, > harry@XXXXXX > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 10:51:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14452; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08806 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16234 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:51:47 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id UMPLa06640; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:51:04 EDT To: denizen@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Ride to Work Day Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 I ride to work every day :D Marcy In a message dated 7/13/98 11:13:40 PM, denizen@XXXXXX wrote: <> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 10:52:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14469; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08865 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16273 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:52:49 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 9YUYa04160; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9504d154.35ab7023@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:50:10 EDT To: anita@XXXXXX, zbig@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: dc-cycles as a club? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 In a message dated 7/13/98 9:29:32 PM, anita@XXXXXX wrote: I'm all for that! :D Marcy <<> 7) I think we are ready to start setting DC-cycles as club, and look > later for perks like discounty at parts places... Great idea!! Whatever happened to our logo? I'd love to be able to wear a dc-cycles t-shirt on the group rides (under Canyon Jacket but clearly visible at rest stops!). Anita '96 GPZ1100>> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 10:53:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14481; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:53:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08881 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:53:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (known relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16296 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yw6S1-0000ml-00; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:53:05 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id <3SY5TH0Z>; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:50:58 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D82547F@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Jordan, Michael'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:49:18 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain No, no capitals!! Yuck. - J > -----Original Message----- > From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 10:29 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? > > >I had toyed with a idea along the idea of a motorcycle superposed on > a > >capitol dome, and on a DC geopolitical boundary shape. The latter > might > >lend itself to a diamond shaped patch. > > The interesting thing is that almost none of us are from DC - I'd just > as soon not have a pictorial reference to the district. > > Of the many proposed designs to date, I like the silhouetted bike - I > would prefer an M-900 Ducati to the sportster-in-drag, though... > > Michael (I'm only kidding, already (about the s-i-d, that is)) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 11:33:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15142; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:33:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09754 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17859 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:33:30 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421C0E00@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Sat ride already.. come on guys (and gals) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:43:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Glenn's interested.. I NEED to get out... you all have been ripping and shreading all summer without me, and now there's nothing being planned for this weekend? Lets get it together folx.. sheesh.. all I need to know is where to be and when to be there.. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 11:42:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15260; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09867 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18065 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA00448 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:42:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Sat ride already.. come on guys (and gals) In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421C0E00@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > Glenn's interested.. I NEED to get out... you all have been ripping and > shreading all summer without me, and now there's nothing being planned > for this weekend? Lets get it together folx.. sheesh.. all I need to > know is where to be and when to be there.. Er, the last ride I did was finalized late on Friday (I even had to make some calls to ensure everyone was aware...). I wouldn't get too anxious on Tuesday. Of course, there's no reason you couldn't just set something up... I'll try to be there if I can (pending approval from the Master). Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 11:51:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15462; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10356 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18385 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA6509 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:43:42 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:48:37 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:50:51 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles as a club? -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Boy does this sound familiar: "I really like the ad/design/idea BUT . . ." To be fair to people submitting designs, buy it or kill it, but don't try to "fix" it. If you don't like it, send a better one in. $.02 from a guy who gets his ideas "fixed" for a living. : >) Joe '85 Ninja 900 Turd Polisher for A Major Advertising Agency >>> Chris Norloff - 7/14/98 7:49 AM >>> I really like the design. What if instead of a black square background it was round? That'd probably look real good on an orange or yellow t-shirt. Place it on the front so when you unzip your jacket you could see it. Chris Norloff At 10:41 PM 7/13/98 +0100, Craig wrote: >I think it's too Dark needs to be really bright and flashy...catch the eye and be >highly visable > >Harry Mantakos wrote: > >> >Whatever happened to our logo? I'd love to be able to wear a dc-cycles >> >t-shirt on the group rides (under Canyon Jacket but clearly visible at >> >rest stops!). >> >> We've had one proposal: >> http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html >> -harry >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Human: Harry Mantakos USPS: 547 E. Gittings St. Baltimore, MD 21230 >> Email: harry@XXXXXX Evil Twins: harry@XXXXXX, harry@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 11:54:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15544; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10736 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18454 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:54:46 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id BESQa13455; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:53:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:53:43 EDT To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sat ride already.. come on guys (and gals) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 let me know too.... Im in. Sean G. Petr 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 11:56:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15586; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10819 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18501 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA04845; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:50:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:50:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D82547F@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I think a picture of Marion Barry might be a good background. On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > No, no capitals!! Yuck. > > - J > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 10:29 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? > > > > >I had toyed with a idea along the idea of a motorcycle superposed on > > a > > >capitol dome, and on a DC geopolitical boundary shape. The latter > > might > > >lend itself to a diamond shaped patch. > > > > The interesting thing is that almost none of us are from DC - I'd just > > as soon not have a pictorial reference to the district. > > > > Of the many proposed designs to date, I like the silhouetted bike - I > > would prefer an M-900 Ducati to the sportster-in-drag, though... > > > > Michael (I'm only kidding, already (about the s-i-d, that is)) J. > -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 11:57:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15597; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10844 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (known camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18544 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (user-38lcml9.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.90.169]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA31738; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:56:30 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDAF1E.701EFA80.zellto@mindspring.com> From: "Thomas W.Zell" Reply-To: "zellto@XXXXXX" To: "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , "'JOE NAGY'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "cnorloff@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? -Reply Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:56:28 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Someone take the Buell outta the logo... My VFR is up for modeling if anyone wants to use it! :-) -Tom '86 VFR750R -----Original Message----- From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 10:46 AM To: 'JOE NAGY'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? -Reply Wow, I just got a chance to see the logo submission. It's TOO COOL!! : ) I like how it looks slightly evil. - Jeannette > >> > >> We've had one proposal: > >> http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html > >> -harry > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > >> Human: Harry Mantakos USPS: 547 E. Gittings St. > Baltimore, > MD > 21230 > >> Email: harry@XXXXXX Evil Twins: harry@XXXXXX, > harry@XXXXXX > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 11:59:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15629; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10900 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18593 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:58:54 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WXQTa22587 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1d7c82c8.35ab7f8e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:55:57 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Got ignition kill Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Got a Gunnar Killer... hmm, nice name. its an atv switch, but I will adapt it. although the release is a little(understatement) tight, not sure how well it will disconnect, not that I want to find out. ;-) Sean G. Petr 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 12:01:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15708; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11006 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18682 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA25621; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:01:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980714160110.UJIB5552@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:01:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Sat ride already.. come on guys (and gals) X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980714160110.UJIB5552@[166.41.242.141]> I'm up for Sunday.....Oh yeah, I'm back on the list. Saturday, no-can-do. If anyone is up for a Sunday jaunt/romp/stomp, I'm in! Todd Brian McCoy wrote on: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:43:32 -0400 >Glenn's interested.. I NEED to get out... you all have been ripping and >shreading all summer without me, and now there's nothing being planned >for this weekend? Lets get it together folx.. sheesh.. all I need to >know is where to be and when to be there.. >Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM >US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 >Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 12:05:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15748; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11274 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send101.yahoomail.com (known send101.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.87]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18840 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980714160455.25189.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send101.yahoomail.com; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:04:55 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:04:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: Sat ride already.. come on guys (and gals) To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" , "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Brian , glenn and I were already (this morning) discussing a ride for Saturday......going into Western Md, Northern Wva. ....Leaving early a.m. and still deciding on a start point..Maybe AMOCO in LEESBURG >?? More details to follow , so be easy.it's being worked on already.... Craig ---"McCoy, Brian P HQ02" wrote: > > Glenn's interested.. I NEED to get out... you all have been ripping and > shreading all summer without me, and now there's nothing being planned > for this weekend? Lets get it together folx.. sheesh.. all I need to > know is where to be and when to be there.. > Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM > US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 > Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 12:09:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15784; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11636 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18948 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807141609.MAA18948@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A2A315102D2; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:09:07 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:21:33 -0400 To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "BMW Motorcycle List" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Another Deal's Gap message... In-Reply-To: <000001bdada7$43f957c0$2080e2cf@ghowell> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Here's some first-hand information from a reliable source - Mike Stewart (3rd place finisher of the 1997 Iron Butt, member of ldrider & Sab/Mag lists) From: "Mike Stewart" >According to today's Motorcycle online: >Feds Effectively Close Deal's Gap to Motorcyclists <*sigh*> It's a joke. I was there just this last weekend. A little discernment can go a long way when one is perusing the Internet. If more people used some common sense, I wouldn't have to listen to people rant for a week solid everytime the chum is thrown into the water. Mike Stewart **************************************************************** At 11:10 AM 7/12/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >Not sure of the veracity of this. I think the email address of the original >poster is included. Haven't verified it or anything. > >---------------------------------------- >-George Howell >ghowell@XXXXXX >georgehowell@XXXXXX > >Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:02:13 -0500 >From: nathan >Subject: [Wings] Deal's Gap Riders > >I went to Deal's Gap yesterday for a long anticipated ride. I was >extremely disappointed to find myself face-to-face with a U.S. park ranger. > He informed me that, effective this past Tuesday, July 7th, all >motorcycles riding Deal's Gap must have a permit from the U.S. Park >Service. Since US129 runs through national forests, the U.S. Forestry >Service determined that the park service, having a permit system set up, >would be the logical choice to administer the permits and enforce same. > >The permit costs $300 per year, and includes a "cleanup" fee and a $100,000 >accidental death and dismemberment insurance policy for those motorcyclists >that "go down" while riding the Gap. Apparently, there has been a great >deal of money spent on cleanup after riders wreck their bikes, and their >insurance policies don't always cover that cleanup. > >Needless to say, this came as a complete surprise to me, and at least 5 >other riders that I saw. Two park rangers were helping unload what >appeared to be a check station type building from a flat bed trailer, one >to be set up at each end. I stayed and talked to one of the park rangers >after the other riders left, and told him that riding the gap was one of my >goals on this trip. After much discussion, he told me that, as this was >the first week of the permit policy, I could follow him to the other end at >a reduced speed. He said that he would not require the permit, and that he >would have done the same for the other riders if they had hung around. > >I thanked the man, and waited for him to get to his vehicle. After about 5 >minutes, he motioned me to follow him, and we started across "The Dragon", >at a speed of approximately 15 mph. It was not the ride my wife and I >expected. I stopped at the Crossroads Of Time store and checked with the >owner. He said that it was true, and that many riders had been caught >unprepared for the permit requirements. > >It appears that a great road for riding has been placed financially out of >reach for many of us, and there does not seem to be any short term >solution. This might be a good time to start writing Senators and >Representatives to change this policy that seems to have been generated >somewhere other than reality. > >Nathan Riggs >Georgetown, Texas (temporarily, somewhere NW of Atlanta) >96 SE - the reflection of all colors > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 12:16:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15921; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11971 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (known relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19281 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yw7kc-0002Vc-01; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:16:22 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id <3SY5T2VC>; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:14:19 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D825496@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Morris Berman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:12:38 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Double YUCK!! > -----Original Message----- > From: Morris Berman [SMTP:mberman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 11:51 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? > > I think a picture of Marion Barry might be a good background. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 12:19:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15955; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12223 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (known relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19381 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yw7nO-0002oY-00; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:19:14 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id <3SY5T2WM>; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:17:07 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D825498@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" Cc: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Sat ride already.. come on guys (and gals) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:15:26 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sunday sounds good to me! I've got a company party on Saturday... : ) I'd like to be done by around 4 or so, though... - J > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 11:47 AM > To: McCoy, Brian P HQ02 > Cc: 'dc' > Subject: Re: Sat ride already.. come on guys (and gals) > > > I'm up for Sunday.....Oh yeah, I'm back on the list. > > Saturday, no-can-do. If anyone is up for a Sunday jaunt/romp/stomp, > I'm in! > > Todd > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 12:24:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16022; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12614 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19523 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:24:38 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256641.005A7AD3 ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:28:16 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256641.005A4CA8.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:28:12 -0400 Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I think a picture of Marion Barry might be a good background. Yea and we can pose him with a crack pipe. And we can put the slogan at the bottom "God damn bitch set me up" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 12:30:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16101; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:30:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12756 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19752 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA01404 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:30:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Sat ride already.. come on guys (and gals) In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D825498@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Woo hoo! The spousal unit has set me free for Saturday! Hopefully we can do a route that will allow me to hit home at 5ish... I'll be the mysterious rider on the Yamaha Radian bouncing through the corners (well, maybe I'll be unable to resist the calls from the Hawk...). Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 12:40:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16253; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:40:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12960 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20021 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p19dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.51]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA17066; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:39:42 -0400 Message-ID: <013201bdaf46$06312ee0$d57f61ce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: , Subject: Re: dc-cycles as a club? Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:39:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Finally.....now there's a T-Shirt I would actually get some wear out of. ;-D -----Original Message----- From: To: Date: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 12:30 PM Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? >I think a picture of Marion Barry might be a good background. > >Yea and we can pose him with a crack pipe. And we can put the slogan at >the bottom "God damn bitch set me up" > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 13:10:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16742; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:10:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13840 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21166 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.65] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA02642 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:10:42 -0400 Message-ID: <016301bdaf49$fa9e6580$4173c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Deal's Gap Fee IS A HOAX!!! Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:08:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 This is from "Motorcycle Online" today (7/14) http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcdaily98/day0714.html "Deal's Gap Hoax Okay, fine, we admit it. We apparently fell for a hoax. As many of our readers pointed most, most politely, but others, some bikers being what they are, rudely, Deal's Gap has not been closed. And that been said, the Daily News will never mention Deal's Gap again, unless of course, to report that Deal's Gap has been wiped off the face of the earth and that of editor's email box will forever be free of "Deal's Gap News." " Bruce Leesburg, VA '98 VFR800 "Tronix" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 13:17:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16846; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13998 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cyblinx.cybersoft.int (known krf.mc.net [209.172.182.97]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21439 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cyblinx.cybersoft.int (kr@XXXXXX [192.168.36.101]) by cyblinx.cybersoft.int (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA06708; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:26:27 -0500 From: "K.R. Foley" Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:26:27 GMT Message-ID: <19980714.18262700@cyblinx.cybersoft.int> Subject: Re: mechanical q: starter clutch assembly slipping on crankshaft To: Garcia Oliver CC: suzuki-l@XXXXXX, dc-cycle In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mozilla/3.0 (compatible; StarOffice/4.0; Unix) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Garcia, I know exactly what you are talking about. I have had the same problem=20 on my 81 GS1100E. I think that it is a poor design but that won't make=20 you feel any better. In my case I am not blessed with a kick starter=20 either.=20 First thing you must do is find out if the starter clutch and=20 crankshaft have enough meat left on them to make the proper fit. On=20 mine, each time the starter clutch slipped it ate away at the crank=20 and the inside of the starter clutch. The second time this happened I=20 had to replace the starter clutch/flywheel (whatever you call the=20 thing) because the inside had worn enough that it wouldn't get tight=20 without pressing the whole assembly into the crankcase (when tightened=20 the starter clutch gear must still spin freely in one direction.) Next, remove the starter clutch/alternator rotor assembly completely.=20 Completely remove all of the oil from the mating surface on the crank=20 and the starter clutch using some kind of solvent. I used brake=20 cleaner because that's what I had available. Next, using Loctite 640 Sleeve Retainer (green) liberally coat the=20 mating surface of the crank and starter clutch (only on the taper on=20 the crank, be careful not to get it on the flat surface of the crank=20 where the bearings for the starter clutch spin or on the threads).=20 Replace the starter clutch assembly onto the crankshaft and press and=20 spin slightly to seat it as good as possible.=20 Next, coat the threads of the bolt with Loctite 271 Threadlocker (red)=20 and torque the bolt to the proper specs. (My Clymer says 94 - 100 #=20 for mine)=20 NOTE: DO NOT LET THE GREEN LOCTITE MIX WITH THE RED ON THE THREADS. I=20 did the last time I put mine back together and I didn't get the nut=20 but a few turns on and it froze. I had to heat it to get it off. Let it sit for awhile before replacing the oil and firing up to give=20 the loctite time to cure. I have been through this about four times but mine is working now (I=20 am knocking on wood as I type.) If you know a Suzuki mechanic they may=20 be able to provide you with a better means of dealing with this and if=20 so please pass it along my way. Hope this helps, K.R. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Messsage <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 7/13/98, 8:55:36 PM, Garcia Oliver wrote=20 regarding mechanical q: starter clutch assembly slipping on=20 crankshaft: > Hi... >=20 > I mostly ride a (modified) 1978 GS-750. Sometimes the electric=20 starter > spins without turning the motor. (Fortunately, there's a kick=20 starter.) > The reason this happens seems to be that the starter clutch assembly=20 is > slipping on the crankshaft--it's a tapered shaft without splines or=20 key to > hold the starter clutch (and alternator rotor) from slipping. =20 Instead,=20 > it's a press-fit, held in place by a none-too-robust bolt and split=20 > washer, which I don't want to tighten further, for fear of breaking. >=20 > In other words, the starter motor turns the starter clutch assembly=20 > properly, but the (high compression) engine doesn't move. >=20 > So: anyone got a crafty idea about how to keep this starter clutch=20 > assembly attached to the crankshaft?=20 >=20 > Thanks. >=20 > --garcia >=20 >=20 >=20 > = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 =20 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 13:25:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16936; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14094 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21633 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 203; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:24:23 -0400 Message-ID: <35AB943C.F512C5A8@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:24:12 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Gil M. Nissley" , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: 95 Honda Shadow 1100 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gil, My wife's Suzuki Savage (1 cylinder, half a Harley) has belt drive. So do both the KZ440 LTD and KZ454 LTD. Nicer than a chain, by far. I'd still prefer a shaft drive, though. Gil M. Nissley wrote: > > > It is belt driven. > > Eh?The only belt drive Japanese bike I know of is the LTD454(not > sure about the EN500). Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 13:27:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16963; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14154 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1d.yahoomail.com (known send1d.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.48]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21728 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980714172105.11176.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1d; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:21:05 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:21:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Fwd: Saturday To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---"Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" wrote: > > OK, what do you think about this. Out US 50 to Capon Bridge where we turn > right onto unmarked road (I've been on it with Brian and its pretty good). > Cross over WV 29 and then either work our way north to Cumberland or head > towards Paw Paw and work back or head further west towards Keyser/Deep Creek > Lake depending on time. > > Glenn > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 13:43:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17146; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14428 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22261 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.65] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA00017; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:44:04 -0400 Message-ID: <02ae01bdaf4e$a41fcfa0$4173c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" , "Craig" Subject: Re: Saturday Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:41:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sounds good to me! Bruce -> >---"Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" wrote: >> >> OK, what do you think about this. Out US 50 to Capon Bridge where >we turn >> right onto unmarked road (I've been on it with Brian and its pretty >good). >> Cross over WV 29 and then either work our way north to Cumberland or >head >> towards Paw Paw and work back or head further west towards >Keyser/Deep Creek >> Lake depending on time. >> >> Glenn >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 13:52:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17207; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14601 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22557 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 276; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:52:04 -0400 Message-ID: <35AB9AC1.14DF81A9@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:52:01 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List , COG , LDRiders Subject: Re: Ride to Work Day References: <033f01bdaed4$473fb860$d897accf@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some guy on a bike wrote: > > Hey everybody! > > July 15th is the date of the 7th annual RIDE TO WORK DAY. Please > ride your bike to work to demonstrate A ride to work *DAY*??? Why not just ride to work, period? Then you might get somebody's attention. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal! - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 9850 miles, 3.5 months 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 14:00:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17322; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14766 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22821 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807141800.OAA22821@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ACAE24A030C; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:00:14 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:03:40 -0400 To: DC Cycles List From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Ride to Work Day In-Reply-To: <35AB9AC1.14DF81A9@tidalwave.net> References: <033f01bdaed4$473fb860$d897accf@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> July 15th is the date of the 7th annual RIDE TO WORK DAY. Please >> ride your bike to work to demonstrate > >A ride to work *DAY*??? Why not just ride to work, period? >Then you might get somebody's attention. >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 15:00:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18286; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15593 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:00:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24977 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:00:11 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WLFWa26053; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7986dba8.35abaa94@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:59:30 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: POCONO RACES --- DETAILS Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 ok, here it is. So far, the plan is for a Sat morning ride up there, coming back sunday night. you can also check this out in the July 98 issue of Motorcyclist magazine. thats where Im getting all my info from. Sean G. Petr 98 TLR Pocono Cycle Festival August 28-30, 1998 Pocono International Raceway, Pocono, Pennsylvania Weekend Super Ticket (ncludes Paddock Pass and Camping) Advance - $35 Save - $10 Sunday Super Ticket (includes Paddock Pass) Advance - $25 Save - $5 Ticket Info: Orders Must be received two weeks prior to event (allow ten days for delivery) All Checks must be in US dollars on a US bank(duh) Kids 12 and unders are free with a paid adult Races run rain or shine All sales are final. No refunds. Spectator tickets are valid for spectator areas only. Crew passes must be purchased at the event. How to order: Toll Free: 1-800-939-9372 Fax: 1-530-582-0456 FUSA Ltd. P.O. Box 114 Truckee, CA 96160 Things to do: Attend a Riding school !! The school is compliments of Suzuki, However, you can participate in this school with any brand of motorcycle. Call the Suzuki School at (909) 245-6414. Take a lap of the RaceTrack !! Buy your tickets in advance an you'll get a free EBC Parade Lap Pass. You can also visit your local motorcycle dealer and request a parade lap pass. Participants must have a valid mc license, registered streetbike, and street riding aparrel. Parade lap is at noon on Sunday. Camping !! Overnight camping is available at Pocono at no cost for those ordering advance tickets., Otherwise, the cost is $10 per vehicle for the entire weekend. Vendors and Displays !! New motorcycles, accesories, souveniers, mini-motos, bicycles amd much more. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 15:45:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18940; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16702 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.amsinc.com (known relay1.amsinc.com [162.70.103.24]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26437 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:45:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by relay1.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id PAA18489 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 85256641.006C85F0 ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:45:21 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256641.006CA12F.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:46:57 -0400 Subject: FWD: MOTORCYCLE FOR SALE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline don't respond to me... ---------------------- Forwarded by Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC on 07/14/98 03:38 PM --------------------------- Bulletin Board: #The Exchange From: Security-Centerpointe Date: 07/14/98 10:32:11 AM Subject: MOTORCYCLE FOR SALE 1995 BLACK HONDA VLX 600 Excellent Condition Very low miles One owner No work needed MUST SELL Asking price $ 4000.00 For contact ask for Colette at 678491 or pager 703 429-3094 LMEF 3.1 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 17:18:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20299; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19185 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29939 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:17:51 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WKYSa13456 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:17:08 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: TL paint job color suggestions? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-07-14 08:30:05 EDT, you write: << >Good luck getting the decals for $40.00 , I have already priced them >and $40 will get you squat....The 2 tank decals and thats about it... >> Hmm.....I was wondering, would it be impossible to actually either make your own decals or even paint it on? Would be kinda neat to make the TL logo whatever you want it to be. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 18:41:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA21393; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA20603 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA03345 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA02302; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:41:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: Don Burger cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Leaking F3 In-Reply-To: <19980713193340.29556.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE I suggest Cycles USA in Silver Spring... they have taken VERY good care of me and my friend... It is also where I got my F3.. -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Don Burger wrote: > This is the second time I sent this, the first appears to be lost in=20 > electronic limbo. =20 >=20 > I=92m looking for some advise on the dealers up around Laurel, Maryland. = =20 > My 96 F3 (7500 miles) is leaking from the rear of the engine case where= =20 > it bolts together ( by the upper not the lower split), I want to bring= =20 > to the dealer to get if fixed under the extended warrantee. My only=20 > problem is that I have no clue as to what dealers around Laurel, MD have= =20 > mechanics worth a damn. I don=92t want to take it someplace and end up= =20 > with more problems than when I started. If anyone could offer me any=20 > advise on a shop I would be grateful.=20 >=20 > Thanks > Don B > 96 - F3 "Leaky" =20 >=20 >=20 > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >=20 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 18:42:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA21402; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA20613 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02919 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr3-dialup5.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0EW3006A5VRO5C@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:28:38 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:26:52 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Sat ride already.. come on guys (and gals) To: "'dc'" Message-id: <01e701bdaf8f$a600db20$854337a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Count me in for Sat. ride, I haven't been "shredding" in a while. After seeing Colin shred on Sun., I can't help but be inspired to ride harder. ================================== Jon Schumer dawn.jon@XXXXXX ICQ#11193913 ================================== -----Original Message----- From: McCoy, Brian P HQ02 To: 'dc' Date: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 8:45 AM Subject: Sat ride already.. come on guys (and gals) >Glenn's interested.. I NEED to get out... you all have been ripping and >shreading all summer without me, and now there's nothing being planned >for this weekend? Lets get it together folx.. sheesh.. all I need to >know is where to be and when to be there.. >Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM >US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 >Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 18:42:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA21404; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA20615 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02905 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA15312; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:27:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv1-14.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.46) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma015290; Tue Jul 14 17:27:46 1998 Message-ID: <35AC05F2.3E69@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:29:22 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: BMW that's actually kind of cool References: <35abdc03.11378420@mailgate.nova.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirk Roy wrote: > > Check out a quickie look at a new BMW: > http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcbmw/r11s.html > > Underseat exhaust allows the single sided rear wheel to flap naked in > the breeze. Now, if only they'd make wheels that look nice... > > It looks to have clip-ons mounted below the triples. I don't know that > I could get used to having the cylinders/heads sticking out on the > sides like that (and there's that shaft drive thing) but BMW is > getting closer to building a bike that could make it on my list of > desireables... > > Kirk Shoot, I thought it was way cool, but then I ama Sportster fanatic ;). Im curious to see what they sell it at though. I am still dissapointed they dropped the R850 from the line.... -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 19:17:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA22193; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA21017 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:17:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA04942 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA04831; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:14:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: "'Todd Peer'" , "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Sat ride already.. come on guys (and gals) In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D825498@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I will join too for a Sunday ride... just tell me where I have to be... and when -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Sunday sounds good to me! I've got a company party on Saturday... : ) > I'd like to be done by around 4 or so, though... > > - J > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 11:47 AM > > To: McCoy, Brian P HQ02 > > Cc: 'dc' > > Subject: Re: Sat ride already.. come on guys (and gals) > > > > > > I'm up for Sunday.....Oh yeah, I'm back on the list. > > > > Saturday, no-can-do. If anyone is up for a Sunday jaunt/romp/stomp, > > I'm in! > > > > Todd > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 20:40:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA22792; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA24039 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA06490 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.37]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:37:10 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , "'JOE NAGY'" , , Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? -Reply Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:38:14 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01bdaf88$d9d6fbc0$2580e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <01BDAF1E.701EFA80.zellto@mindspring.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > Someone take the Buell outta the logo... My VFR is up for > modeling if anyone wants to use it! :-) While everybody seems to be trying to make the VF/VFR the official bike of DC-cycles, I think we need a generic, standard. Kinda like my R850R:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 20:40:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA22793; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:40:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA24042 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA06494 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.37]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:37:12 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'Morris Berman'" , Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:38:16 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01bdaf88$db1d8580$2580e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D825496@badge.tuckerflyer.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal I don't know. Someone doing a wheelie over Marion's head has a certain appeal. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: O'Brien, Jeannette [mailto:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 12:13 PM > To: 'Morris Berman'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? > > > Double YUCK!! > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Morris Berman [SMTP:mberman@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 11:51 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? > > > > I think a picture of Marion Barry might be a good background. > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 00:05:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24772; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00166 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA09954 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <35YHZ6NF>; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:13:02 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C40488642A@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Westbrook, Richard'" , "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:12:31 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Your bike is still rideable... it just doesn't look as pretty as it was. Glenn > Well it seems that until the bike is repaired I may have a lot of time on > my > hands. Don't worry I'll slave away on my computer while you all are out > having fun on your working bikes. :-) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 00:05:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24775; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00165 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA09952 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:04:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <35YHZX0C>; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:54:57 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C40488641B@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Gil M. Nissley'" , Kelli Jareaux Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 95 Honda Shadow 1100 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:54:26 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) There were other belt driven Japanese bikes. One that comes to mind is the Kaw 305. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Eh?The only belt drive Japanese bike I know of is the LTD454(not > sure about the EN500).If it's an 1100 Shadow it should be a shaftie. > If it actually does have a belt,it means the owner did some kind of > custom work and I would definitely get it checked by a mechanic.I > remember reading an article about a guy who coverted his VMax to a > chain and wound up skating down a dragstrip when a seal failed. > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 00:09:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24951; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00393 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (known imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA10172 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:09:33 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WLTSa27851 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4993037a.35ac2b37@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:08:18 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: dc-cycles as a club? -Reply Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Can't get anymore generic than a Honda Nighthawk. It looks.... plain. Just a thought! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 85 Nighthawk 450 (still for sale!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 01:44:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA25929; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:44:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA01271 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA11395 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.37]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:41:42 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? -Reply Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:42:48 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bdafb3$6682d920$2580e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4993037a.35ac2b37@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > Can't get anymore generic than a Honda Nighthawk. It looks.... > plain. Just a > thought! Well, if we can't have a UBM, I guess the ultimate UJM is the next best choice. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 04:14:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA27552; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA06864 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA13707 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA07137; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:10:21 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:08:34 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980714113937.26966.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Craig wrote: > Easy now George, You don't want to stir up a bunch of shit...Remember > there are lots of Ladies on the list and they might get offended by > that remark.....Besides it looks more like one of those uglyass Buells This from the owner of a Japanese Buell. :-P The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 04:17:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA27571; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA07152 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA13751 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:17:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA07159; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:13:37 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:11:58 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: British Magazines... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D825473@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > I picked up 2 moto-mags while I was stopped over in England. > "Superbike" and "Bike." > One of them offered a surprise centerfold when I flipped to the middle > of the magazine... D'OH!! > Well, I did buy them for Tom... ; ) Shoulda got him a copy of _StreetFighters_ then. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 04:20:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA27599; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA07415 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA13794 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA07179; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:17:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:14:18 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: dc-cycles as a club? -Reply To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Just to throw in my $.02,I'd say keep the design simple.Easier to put on patches/etc.It would also make it easier to recognise. Maybe a Washington Monument with 'DC-Cycles' written down the length of it. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 04:22:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA27608; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA07474 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA13804 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA07184; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:19:08 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:18:04 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000d01bdaf88$db1d8580$2580e2cf@ghowell> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, George Howell wrote: > I don't know. Someone doing a wheelie over Marion's head has a certain > appeal. Better,someone doing a burnout _on_ his head. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 04:35:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA27734; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA08176 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA13996 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA07238; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:32:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:25:58 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: 95 Honda Shadow 1100 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35AB943C.F512C5A8@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > My wife's Suzuki Savage (1 cylinder, half a Harley) > has belt drive. Forgot that one. > So do both the KZ440 LTD Don't know much about that one or the 305. > and KZ454 LTD. Ok,old version of the 454LTD The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 07:28:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA28557; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA08910 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1b.yahoomail.com (known send1b.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA15528 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980715112716.11805.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1b; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:27:16 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:27:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: Sat ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Count me in for Sat. Well here is a list of participants for Saturday : So far...John K. Jon S. Bruce N. Brian M. Glenn D. Craig J. hope I got all that have responded?? Looks like we'll be meeting at the AMOCO (Center of town) in Leesburg at 8:00 a.m. If anyone needs directions let me know. Craig _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 07:47:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA28644; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA09886 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA15968 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:47:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:47:46 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421C0E11@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: DC Cycles logo - WAS: dc-cycles as a club? Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:46:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey George.. how about a majority vote? I think the VFR riders are at least as many as the CBR people... and the strange ones who ride things like BMWs and Buells are just going to have the enjoy the exclusivity they paid for.... :P -----Original Message----- > Someone take the Buell outta the logo... My VFR is up for > modeling if anyone wants to use it! :-) While everybody seems to be trying to make the VF/VFR the official bike of DC-cycles, I think we need a generic, standard. Kinda like my R850R:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 08:24:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28836; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10425 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16454 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) id <3XK1P41R>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:23:33 -0400 Message-ID: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC3F@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Saturday Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:28:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) Content-Type: text/plain > ---"Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" wrote: > > > > OK, what do you think about this. Out US 50 to Capon Bridge where > we turn > > right onto unmarked road (I've been on it with Brian and its pretty > good). > > Cross over WV 29 and then either work our way north to Cumberland or > head > > towards Paw Paw and work back or head further west towards > Keyser/Deep Creek > > Lake depending on time. > > > > Glenn > > > [Mersch, Tom] This is from Street Atlas, so take it with a grain of alcohol. The unmarked road is CR15 (Coldstream Road / Springfield Grade Road), which runs from Capon Bridge west through Slanesville (at WV 29) and Points, and along the way becomes CR45/20 and then CR3. West of Slanesville it goes up a ridge to Points WV, and then descends to the south branch of the Potomac via about 4 miles of the most 'interesting', most 'technical' switchbacks this side of running with the bulls -- the turns look tighter than US 211 and, since it is a CR, it is probably just barely wide enough for two cars. As the eye-talians would say, mangia. Tom M. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 08:25:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28850; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10434 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p-pms404.navsea.navy.mil (known pms404bdc.navsea.navy.mil [140.195.162.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16476 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccMail by p-pms404.navsea.navy.mil (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Workgroup) id 00005908; Wed, 15 Jul 98 08:26:17 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:20:30 -0700 Message-ID: <00005908.10047@p-pms404.navsea.navy.mil> From: Patton_Jim@XXXXXX (Patton_Jim) Subject: Big Motor Crew Needed for 8/16 -- Buckeystown, MD To: Biknman@XXXXXX (Nova and Dave Potter), bob.rapp@XXXXXX (Bob Rapp), Dargan@XXXXXX (Sean Michael Dargan), dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Frank@XXXXXX (Fran McPherson), heebner@XXXXXX (Mac & Donna Heebner), jstanford@XXXXXX (Jim Stanford), JWBaliko@XXXXXX (James Baliko), kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy), louis@XXXXXX (Louis Caplan), marksomm@XXXXXX (Mark Sommerfield), mdblom@XXXXXX (Michael Blom), mdysart@XXXXXX (Mark Dysart), michael_a_long@XXXXXX (Long; Michael A.), mike@XXXXXX (Mike Jordan), parkst@XXXXXX (Parks Talley), roddy@XXXXXX (Rod Miller), shawn.downing@XXXXXX, slomoe641@XXXXXX (Steve Broadhurst), tbalaban@XXXXXX (Tom Balaban), victor.m.ponte@XXXXXX (Victor Ponte), VMPonte@XXXXXX (Victor Ponte) Cc: pattonj@XXXXXX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part The MD and DE State Championship Road Race (bicycle championship, that is) will be held as part of the All American Road Race on 8/16/98. The course is south of Buckeystown (which is south of Frederick). It is a sixteen mile loop and the longest of the races will include a total of six laps! There will be two of race starts with three fields of riders each. The early morning start will be at 08:00, so you would need to be on site at 07:00. And the last riders should wander to the finish line by about 4:00 -- making for a long day! I'd like to find about 9 marshal motors (3 per field) plus three referee officials (one per field). Each marshal will get $35 to cover expenses. If you have not marshaled a bike race before, not to worry -- we will train you that morning. This is a great opportunity to get involved. The following people are currently on my list (please confirm availability): Rod Miller Michael Blom Jeff Wilson Terry Lewis Please check your calendars and let me know if you can help. And please feel free to distribute this e-mail to anyone who might be interested. Thanks, Jim Patton 703-604-6132, ext 341 (office) 410-721-7650 evenings before nine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 08:28:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28881; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10463 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16507 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id IAA01488; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma001422; Wed, 15 Jul 98 08:27:01 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3WWC4WQQ>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:27:20 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/14/98 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:27:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Michael Jordan writes: >The interesting thing is that almost none of us are from DC - I'd just >as soon not have a pictorial reference to the district. The list is called dc-cycles. The list is for motorcyclists in the Washington, DC area. Just about everyone here (including you) is in the Washington, DC area. What's the problem? --John Whiteside From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 08:35:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28948; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10581 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16646 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by kcgw1.att.com; Wed Jul 15 07:36 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id HAA05937 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:35:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDAFCB.8DAC8EC0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:35:42 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Downloading DC cycles Archive??!! Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:35:41 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I downloaded a file from the Archive list, but all I can see is a bunch of garbage. No readable text. What am I doing wrong? The files are listed as compressed but, they don't download as a zipped file. Thanks for the help. --John '98 VFR GO RIDE!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 08:40:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28993; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:40:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10706 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16713 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA02273 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 05:39:52 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 05:39:52 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/14/98 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 05:41:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >Michael Jordan writes: > >>The interesting thing is that almost none of us are from DC - I'd just >>as soon not have a pictorial reference to the district. > >The list is called dc-cycles. The list is for motorcyclists in the >Washington, DC area. Just about everyone here (including you) is in the >Washington, DC area. What's the problem? > >--John Whiteside Precisely! Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 08:43:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29018; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10740 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16747 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA25550 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:43:05 -0400 Message-ID: <35ACA3B6.20264EC8@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:42:30 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/14/98 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike is right, we're in the DC area. The DC area is shaped like a torus. A big round thing with a hole right in the center. I do ride outside the torus once in a while. Outside include the no-man's land in the middle. Leon. Whiteside, John wrote: > > Michael Jordan writes: > > >The interesting thing is that almost none of us are from DC - I'd just > >as soon not have a pictorial reference to the district. > > The list is called dc-cycles. The list is for motorcyclists in the > Washington, DC area. Just about everyone here (including you) is in the > Washington, DC area. What's the problem? > > --John Whiteside From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 08:53:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA29098; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10835 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:53:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (known gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA16885 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:53:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) with SMTP; 15 Jul 1998 12:53:03 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA16346; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:53:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: Craig cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sat ride In-Reply-To: <19980715112716.11805.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Craig wrote: > > > Count me in for Sat. > > Well here is a list of participants for Saturday : > > So far...John K. > Jon S. > Bruce N. > Brian M. > Glenn D. > Craig J. > > hope > I got all that have responded?? > > Looks like we'll be meeting at the AMOCO (Center of town) in Leesburg > at 8:00 a.m. > If anyone needs directions let me know. > Craig > Count me in! I'd also like directions.. I live in ashburn, so the jaunt shouldn't be all that bad.. Alex M. 97 Kat 600 (on its way out) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 09:01:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29218; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11025 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (known relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17062 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:01:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ywRBL-0003TB-01; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:01:15 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id <3SY5TJ0J>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:59:09 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8254BF@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Gil M. Nissley'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? -Reply Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:57:30 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Yuck. No monuments, please. I love the one that's already been designed. Does everyone else not like it? - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Gil M. Nissley [SMTP:gnissley@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 12:14 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: dc-cycles as a club? -Reply > > > Just to throw in my $.02,I'd say keep the design simple.Easier to > put on patches/etc.It would also make it easier to recognise. > Maybe a Washington Monument with 'DC-Cycles' written down the > length of it. > > > > The official BuellBoy Genes model. > > gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> > > '98 Fat Boy (soon) > > Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 09:02:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29224; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11034 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:02:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.24]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17077 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) id <3X3ZAK1G>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:04:51 -0400 Message-ID: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC45@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/14/98 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:06:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) Content-Type: text/plain Personally, I wouldn't think that a motorcycle group would want to be too closely related to DC. Never know when that information will show up in somebody's database and suddenly the insurance companies don't want to have anything to do with you. > -----Original Message----- > From: Whiteside, John [SMTP:jwhiteside@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 8:27 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/14/98 > > Michael Jordan writes: > > >The interesting thing is that almost none of us are from DC - I'd just > >as soon not have a pictorial reference to the district. > > The list is called dc-cycles. The list is for motorcyclists in the > Washington, DC area. Just about everyone here (including you) is in the > Washington, DC area. What's the problem? > > --John Whiteside From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 09:16:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29363; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11175 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17351 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807151316.JAA17351@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AB82720394; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:15:46 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:18:59 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/14/98 In-Reply-To: <35ACA3B6.20264EC8@illuminet.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:42 AM 7/15/98 -0400, Leon Begeman wrote: >Mike is right, we're in the DC area. The DC area is shaped like a >torus. A big round thing with a hole right in the center But how do you get a t-shirt to have a giant sucking sound? > I do ride >outside the torus once in a while. Outside include the no-man's land in >the middle. I like the idea of a t-shirt with the Washington Monument, and/or the Capitol, and/or the diamond shape of DC - with a cycle imposed over it. It's either that or a crack pipe, a 9mm pistol, and a politician with his pants around his ankles! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 09:42:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29672; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11982 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17853 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p32dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.64]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA16905; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:41:50 -0400 Message-ID: <006b01bdaff6$53546f60$22f31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Whiteside, John" , Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/14/98 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:41:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 The problem is that being from the DC area does not mean being from DC. There's no need to use a pictorial reference to the District when most listers don't reside there. How much riding does anybody actually do in the District anyway? 2 miles in/2 miles out every day compared to countless miles outside the shitty? Change the image of the Buell to one of a real sportbike and you've got another vote. ;-D -----Original Message----- From: Whiteside, John To: Date: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 8:33 AM Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/14/98 >Michael Jordan writes: > >>The interesting thing is that almost none of us are from DC - I'd just >>as soon not have a pictorial reference to the district. > >The list is called dc-cycles. The list is for motorcyclists in the >Washington, DC area. Just about everyone here (including you) is in the >Washington, DC area. What's the problem? > >--John Whiteside From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 10:07:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29887; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12402 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18536 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA18909 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:06:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: DC Cycles logo - WAS: dc-cycles as a club? In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421C0E11@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > Hey George.. how about a majority vote? I think the VFR riders are at > least as many as the CBR people... and the strange ones who ride things > like BMWs and Buells are just going to have the enjoy the exclusivity > they paid for.... :P I think a standard bike would be more appropriate and think the Nighthawk suggestion was good. While the VFRs aren't necessarily real sport bikes they do have the bodywork and might not be something the cruiser riders want on a shirt. A nighthawk or other 'generic' bike would bridge the gap. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 10:07:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29893; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12472 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18557 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.43]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:04:43 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: DC Cycles logo - WAS: dc-cycles as a club? Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:05:46 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdaff9$a9d3f600$2b80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421C0E11@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > Hey George.. how about a majority vote? I think the VFR riders are at > least as many as the CBR people... and the strange ones who ride things > like BMWs and Buells are just going to have the enjoy the exclusivity > they paid for.... :P You mean are STILL paying for:( :) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 10:07:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29897; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12477 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18562 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.43]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:04:45 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Chris Norloff" , Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/14/98 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:05:48 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bdaff9$aaae2960$2b80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199807151316.JAA17351@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > At 08:42 AM 7/15/98 -0400, Leon Begeman wrote: > >Mike is right, we're in the DC area. The DC area is shaped like a > >torus. A big round thing with a hole right in the center > > But how do you get a t-shirt to have a giant sucking sound? Put it on one of the beautiful female members of dc cycles and.... > > I do ride > >outside the torus once in a while. Outside include the no-man's land in > >the middle. > > I like the idea of a t-shirt with the Washington Monument, and/or the > Capitol, and/or the diamond shape of DC - with a cycle imposed over it. > It's either that or a crack pipe, a 9mm pistol, and a politician with his > pants around his ankles! I think we have a winner!!!! ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 10:08:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29901; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:08:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12517 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18569 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:08:08 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id KAA23273 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:07:56 -0400 Message-Id: <199807151407.KAA23273@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:07:56 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:07:56 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:07:56 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:06:02 -0400 Subject: Re: Crash Advice Part 2 -Reply To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME nope it allows you to drive the vehicle uninsured...gawd you'd have to incredibly stupid to do that...one minor mishap and you could end up with a multi-million dollar lawsuit..goodbye house, goodbye car, goodbye everything. when I worked at DMV, we saw probably less than 1% of people who would pay this..usually it was the brain dead ones that wanted to save money instead of paying extremely high rates from insurance companies..usually due to a horrendously bad driving record.. it's ironic too since these are the very people that we NEED to have insurance...think of THAT next time you're driving next to a BDC... cheers, -aki > In a message dated 98-07-13 23:36:01 EDT, you write: > > << Yeah, but I didn't think anybody was stupid enough to pay $600 a year to > not > be insured. >> > > You'd be surprised. But anyway, I could be wrong, but I thought the uninsured > motorist charge of $400 (or whatever the figure is) was so that you could > REGISTER a vehicle without insurance but you arent supposed to drive/ride it. > > Jack > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 10:20:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00080; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13137 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18961 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA19149 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:20:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Downloading DC cycles Archive??!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Carver, John wrote: > I downloaded a file from the Archive list, but all I can see is a bunch > of garbage. No readable text. What am I doing wrong? The files are > listed as compressed but, they don't download as a zipped file. Thanks > for the help. I think they're in gzip format. Just download the source from the gnu homepage and compile it for your system. Or, just pickup WinZip (www.winzip.com) or the latest version of pkzip (www.pkware.com) I think handles the gzip files... Maybe a link to some gzip decompressors for Mac, Win, etc platforms would be good to add to the archives page. Harry? Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 10:28:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00149; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13540 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:28:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA.ORG (known NB160-194.ibtnet.com [206.135.160.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19174 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA-Message_Server by ACA.ORG with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:25:50 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:26:03 -0400 From: David Wakefield To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/14/98 -Reply "It's either that or a crack pipe, a 9mm pistol, and a politician with his pants around his ankles!" I think we have a winner!!!! (Yeah, I like this one too. Why don't we call ourselves "The Bullets" since the name is free now.) Faster than a speeding... et al. Also on a completely different subject, Bruce Norton, please send me your daytime and/or evening number. My e-mail challenged buddy Wes seems to have misplaced it and wants to nail down a date and time for your funds/hardware exchange. Thanks, -Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 10:28:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00153; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13546 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19182 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807151428.KAA19182@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AC501150388; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:27:28 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:28:18 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? -Reply In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8254BF@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:57 AM 7/15/98 -0400, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >Yuck. No monuments, please. I love the one that's already been >designed. Does everyone else not like it? The first one is my favorite - it just doesn't seem to relate to anything about DC. Nos. 2 & 3 just don't do anything for me (Rocky Mountains in DC?) - apologies to the designer(s) ). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 10:29:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00175; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13648 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.24]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19248 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) id <3X3ZAKRM>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:32:36 -0400 Message-ID: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC47@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/14/98 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:33:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) Content-Type: text/plain For shame, George. Have you no sense of decorum? Have you no chrome on your bumpers? > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 10:06 AM > To: Chris Norloff; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/14/98 > > > > But how do you get a t-shirt to have a giant sucking sound? > > Put it on one of the beautiful female members of dc cycles and.... > > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > > Chris Norloff > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 10:34:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00212; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13722 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.ny.us.ibm.COM (known smtp4.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.43]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19310 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.server.ibm.com (relay3.server.ibm.com [9.14.2.100]) by smtp4.ny.us.ibm.COM (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA35834 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:24:16 -0400 Received: from US.IBM.COM (d04lms01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.164.193]) by relay3.server.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA22200 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:27:31 -0400 Received: by US.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D04AU003 id 5040100020380791; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:36:47 -0400 From: Tom Knapik To: Subject: DC Cycles logo - WAS: dc-cycles as a club? Message-ID: <5040100020380791000002L012*@MHS> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:36:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I think my HONDA CX650 is more appropriate as a generic (or is that geriatric) bike. >>Hey George.. how about a majority vote? I think the VFR riders are at >>least as many as the CBR people... and the strange ones who ride things >>like BMWs and Buells are just going to have the enjoy the exclusivity >>they paid for.... :P -----Original Message----- > Someone take the Buell outta the logo... My VFR is up for > modeling if anyone wants to use it! :-) While everybody seems to be trying to make the VF/VFR the official bike of DC-cycles, I think we need a generic, standard. Kinda like my R850R:) Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 10:34:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00217; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13732 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (known relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19316 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ywSdF-0004X7-00; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:34:09 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id <3SY5TKHR>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:32:02 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8254C5@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Kirk Roy'" , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: DC Cycles logo - WAS: dc-cycles as a club? Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:30:25 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain My bike's not a REAL sportbike? Hmmm. No one's ever let me know that before. - Jeannette > I think a standard bike would be more appropriate and think the > Nighthawk > suggestion was good. While the VFRs aren't necessarily real sport > bikes > they do have the bodywork and might not be something the cruiser > riders > want on a shirt. A nighthawk or other 'generic' bike would bridge the > gap. > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 10:40:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00385; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:40:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13843 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19544 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807151440.KAA19544@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AF222904C4; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:39:30 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:41:45 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/14/98 In-Reply-To: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC47@RBMAIL103> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" He used to have some on a trailer hitch, but ... well, never mind. Chris Norloff At 10:33 AM 7/15/98 -0400, Mersch, Tom wrote: >For shame, George. Have you no sense of decorum? Have you no chrome on >your bumpers? > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 10:06 AM >> To: Chris Norloff; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/14/98 >> >> >> > But how do you get a t-shirt to have a giant sucking sound? >> >> Put it on one of the beautiful female members of dc cycles and.... >> >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> -George Howell >> ghowell@XXXXXX >> georgehowell@XXXXXX >> > Chris Norloff >> > >> > >> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 10:44:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00526; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13968 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19956 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:45:15 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421C0E18@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'VFR'" , "'dc'" Subject: Clutch issues.. Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:43:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, I did my first oil change in the VFR last night.. man, that thing holds a LOT of oil!! There were bugs in my oil.. :P Guess I should expect that when getting an engine from a salvage yard. Anyway.. my clutch has been slipping for the past couple weeks as well, so I thought that while I had the oil out, I'd go ahead and change that too.. I put in my new clutch, got everything back together, started the bike and clicked it into neutral - it jumped forward and died.. I put it back into neutral.. held the front brake and tried the whole process again.. Same results. Ok, I must have messed something up.. right? It's late, I'm tired.. so I pull things apart (I need to bike.. only transportation that's legal), check the plates, check that everything is torqued right.. even bled the clutch fluid to make sure there was no air (even though I never opened that part of the clutch system). Put everything back together.. same problem. I put the used clutch back in, and it's running fine.. a small slip when hard on the gas and shifting at redline (I don't ride up there very often, so it's not noticed yet). My question is what the F am I doing wrong? The ONLY thing I didn't do was oil each plate (both friction plates and steels) like my service manul says. Could that possibly be the root of my problem? If so, I'll go soak each one individualy in Mobil 1 15-50 as I'm taking it apart and putting it together.. Grrr.. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 10:48:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00567; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:48:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14025 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:48:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20012 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:48:41 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421C0E19@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:46:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" J- Tom's is probably the closest to a 'real sportbike' because he can only ride it for a couple hundred miles at a time.. My VFR is more of a touring bike than a sportbike.. it's actually comfortable. I'll have NO problems doing an ironbutt on the VFR.. Speaking of.. Leon, you care to do another this summer sometime? I'd rather not do one alone.. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- My bike's not a REAL sportbike? Hmmm. No one's ever let me know that before. - Jeannette > I think a standard bike would be more appropriate and think the > Nighthawk > suggestion was good. While the VFRs aren't necessarily real sport > bikes > they do have the bodywork and might not be something the cruiser > riders > want on a shirt. A nighthawk or other 'generic' bike would bridge the > gap. > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 10:51:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00593; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:51:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14078 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (known relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20066 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ywSuA-0006FO-00; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:51:38 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id <3SY5TKJ2>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:49:31 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8254C8@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Mersch, Tom'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/14/98 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:47:52 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I'm not even going to touch this one. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mersch, Tom [SMTP:merscht@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 10:34 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/14/98 > > For shame, George. Have you no sense of decorum? Have you no chrome > on > your bumpers? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 10:06 AM > > To: Chris Norloff; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/14/98 > > > > > > > But how do you get a t-shirt to have a giant sucking sound? > > > > Put it on one of the beautiful female members of dc cycles and.... > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > -George Howell > > ghowell@XXXXXX > > georgehowell@XXXXXX > > > Chris Norloff > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 10:53:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00600; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14115 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20104 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:53:17 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256642.00521F4C ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:56:59 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256642.0051F3F7.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:56:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Clutch issues.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline The ONLY thing I didn't do was oil each plate (both friction plates and steels) like my service manul says. Could that possibly be the root of my problem? If so, I'll go soak each one individualy in Mobil 1 15-50 as I'm taking it apart and putting it together.. I think you hit the nail on the head. Before I got to the end of your message I was asking myself if he oiled the new plates before installing them. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 10:54:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00607; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:54:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14143 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:54:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (known relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20124 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ywSws-0006Y9-00; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:54:26 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id <3SY5TKJP>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:52:17 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8254C9@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? -Reply Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:50:38 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I haven't seen the other ones. Can you give me the URL again? Thanks. - J > The first one is my favorite - it just doesn't seem to relate to > anything > about DC. > > Nos. 2 & 3 just don't do anything for me (Rocky Mountains in DC?) - > apologies to the designer(s) ). > > Chris Norloff > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 11:03:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00758; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14351 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (known relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20452 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ywT4x-0007Yc-00; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:02:47 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id <3SY5TKKK>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:00:41 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8254CA@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? -Reply Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:59:01 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Ok, I still prefer the first one. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 10:58 AM > To: 'O'Brien, Jeannette' > Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? -Reply > > http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 11:04:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00773; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14441 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20482 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:03:59 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id LAA00987 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:03:49 -0400 Message-Id: <199807151503.LAA00987@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:03:49 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:03:49 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:03:49 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:02:32 -0400 Subject: Hells Wrinkles To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME *** German grannies fall in love with motorcycles German grannies have a discovered a new love - motorcycles. The German motoring magazine ACE Lenkrad reported in its latest issue that 51 women older than 80 had new motorcycle registrations in 1998 - making the over-80s the nation's fastest-growing motorcycle age category. But the percentage of woman motorcylists remains low in a country known for its autobahn highways where there are no speed limits. Only 14% of the country's bikers are women. (Reuters) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 11:05:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00798; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14524 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known redmailwall.attws.com [206.213.111.115]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20534 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id IAA01062; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id IAA02772; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:05:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id IAA08195; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:05:04 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id IAA08191; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:05:04 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BDAFC7.457E74F0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:05:03 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'DC Cycles'" , "'Anita - GPZ1100'" <2xracers@XXXXXX> Subject: RE: DC Cycles logo - WAS: dc-cycles as a club? Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:59:03 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 Encoding: 38 TEXT, 63 UUENCODE X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Well, at least I know what my bike is! A raked-out, squirrel powered cruiser with a dry rotted front tire! :-D Ursulina Viteri, AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. - Washington, DC direct 202-416-6534 * Fax 202-223-9095 * Main 202-223-9222 -----Original Message----- From: Anita Lauro [SMTP:anita@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 7:56 AM To: Ursulina Viteri (E-mail) Subject: FW: DC Cycles logo - WAS: dc-cycles as a club? Uh-oh, them's fightin' words!!!! In any event, I *know* my bike isn't a sport bike! :-) -----Original Message----- From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 10:30 AM To: 'Kirk Roy'; DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: DC Cycles logo - WAS: dc-cycles as a club? My bike's not a REAL sportbike? Hmmm. No one's ever let me know that before. - Jeannette > I think a standard bike would be more appropriate and think the > Nighthawk > suggestion was good. 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M14Y44R]#3CU54E-53$E.00```!X`^C\!````$0```%9I=&5R:2P@57)S=6QI M;F$`````0 `',)"(-F/_K[T!0 `(,*@;; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:09:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20657 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA20224 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:08:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421C0E19@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > J- Tom's is probably the closest to a 'real sportbike' because he can > only ride it for a couple hundred miles at a time.. My VFR is more of a > touring bike than a sportbike.. it's actually comfortable. The VFRs not being real sportbikes thing was just a bit of a joke. No, I don't consider them real sportbikes but they are sufficiently sporty for anything one might consider reasonable for road riding. Note that I don't own a 'real sportbike' either... > I'll have NO problems doing an ironbutt on the VFR.. Speaking of.. Leon, > you care to do another this summer sometime? I'd rather not do one alone.. I might be convinced to join along... Particularly if Leon is willing to be the witness again... Of course, I have to stop every 120 miles or so for gas. I'm not quite ready to fit a gas station to the back of my bike as Leon has done. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 11:11:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00877; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14941 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (known relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20695 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ywTCq-0000e6-01; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:10:56 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id <3SY5TKKX>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:08:49 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8254CC@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'McCoy, Brian P HQ02'" , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:07:10 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain You should try riding mine. I used to like long rides but now they are pure torture. Of course, Tom's wrist positioning is worse than mine, though. I can only ride his for about a few minutes before my wrists start killing me! > -----Original Message----- > From: McCoy, Brian P HQ02 [SMTP:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 10:47 AM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. > > J- Tom's is probably the closest to a 'real sportbike' because he can > only ride it for a couple hundred miles at a time.. My VFR is more of > a > touring bike than a sportbike.. it's actually comfortable. I'll have > NO > problems doing an ironbutt on the VFR.. Speaking of.. Leon, you care > to > do another this summer sometime? I'd rather not do one alone.. > > Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM > US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 > Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 11:17:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00974; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15413 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1d.yahoomail.com (known send1d.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.48]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20910 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:16:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980715150842.14305.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1d; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:08:42 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:08:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: AMA Bike To Work Day To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii So did everybody ride their unit into work today?? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 11:18:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01013; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15498 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20941 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA19526 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:18:34 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:18:34 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: DC Cycles logo - WAS: dc-cycles as a club? Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:19:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain I like the original - it will translate well to a decal - patches would be a bit more difficult (read pricey). I also like the second one - a bit cartoony, but it's what I imagine that the usual scenery on our rides would look like if I rode slowly enough to actually look at it. The third one is nice, but we need to move to Denver Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 11:29:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01143; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu (known ringding.cs.umd.edu [128.8.126.2]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15812 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28035 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:29:06 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256642.00556737 ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:32:49 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: Craig cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256642.00551740.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:32:44 -0400 Subject: Re: AMA Bike To Work Day Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Yes my unit got to work today aboard my motorcycle. But I don't think I would want to try and ride it. 8-D From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 11:30:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01187; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:30:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15836 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21265 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:30:30 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421C0E1D@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: AMA Bike To Work Day Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:28:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Of course.. no other option.. though I was highly dissapointed in the total lack of other MCs on the road this morning.. I saw about the same 2~3 that I always see.. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- From: Craig Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 11:09 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: AMA Bike To Work Day So did everybody ride their unit into work today?? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 11:35:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01267; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16089 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news1.radix.net (known news1.radix.net [209.48.224.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21407 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brat.knowhere.net (port33.annex1.radix.net [209.48.225.33]) by news1.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA08381 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35ACC9F6.1693@radix.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:25:42 -0400 From: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" Reply-To: dreamer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: ride your bike to... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit oh... I was supposed to ride it to WORK? Opps! . Decided I needed an attitude adjustment day today so the Virago and I headed to the mountains. For one reason or another I haven't been able to ride as much as I'd like lately. I wandered up 55 to Front Royal and up on to the Skyline Drive. Pretty morning. Came back off the Drive onto 211 and back to 66. Didn't scrape any peg off or break any sound barriers but had a most pleasant ride. Only about 190 miles though. 211 right off the Drive has some wonderful long sloping downhill curves and I enjoyed them but I'm really beginning to think that cruisers are not optimal for such things. I miss my K75SA when I travel through the curves. Anyone wanna comment on cruisers and curves, pro or con? Dawn -- *=====================================================================* from the mist and shadows, like a memory of things to come.... to wander the paths of moonlight on water, in search of honesty, empathy, beaches at sunrise, mountains under stars and eyes to laugh back at mine... *=====================================================================* Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX *=====================================================================* From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 11:35:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01272; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16113 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (known relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21423 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ywTaI-0003CC-00; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:35:10 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id <3SY5TKNA>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:33:01 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8254CF@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Craig'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: AMA Bike To Work Day Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:31:24 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I did, but I always do! I didn't really see any heavy motorcyclist traffic, though, which disappointed me. : ( - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig [SMTP:tleatsducks@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 11:09 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: AMA Bike To Work Day > > So did everybody ride their unit into work today?? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 11:44:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01360; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16654 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21651 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:44:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:44:34 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421C0E20@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Missed it all.. Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:42:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I missed all the comments on the new BMW.. but, DAMN.. that thing's beautiful.. a bit porky, but I think I could forgive the weight if it felt right... Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 11:48:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01452; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA16976 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:48:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21800 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:48:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA13825 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:41:04 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:45:54 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:48:22 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Subject: RE: AMA Bike To Work Day -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I saw the same ONE that I always see--A red VFR. Joe Goochland Co. to downtown Richmond on I-64 '85 Ninja 900 >>> "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" - 7/15/98 11:28 AM >>> Of course.. no other option.. though I was highly dissapointed in the total lack of other MCs on the road this morning.. I saw about the same 2~3 that I always see.. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- From: Craig Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 11:09 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: AMA Bike To Work Day So did everybody ride their unit into work today?? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 11:51:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01531; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17083 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21876 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA21060 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:51:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Cruisers in corners, was Re: ride your bike to... In-Reply-To: <35ACC9F6.1693@radix.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Dawn G.T. Gibson wrote: > 211 right off the Drive has some wonderful long sloping downhill curves > and I enjoyed them but I'm really beginning to think that cruisers are > not optimal for such things. I miss my K75SA when I travel through the > curves. Anyone wanna comment on cruisers and curves, pro or con? This will depend on the cruiser... There are some cruisers that are fine for curves (e.g., standard sportsters). Most will combine factors that give them poor performance in the corners: handlebars in a position that don't give you much leverage; little ground clearance; soft suspension; long forks force poor steering geometry (slow to turn in, slow to change lines, etc); body position doesn't allow much in the way of applying force to the pegs (e.g., weighting either the inside or the outside peg in corners) or other parts (e.g., pushing your knee into the side of the tank); skinny front tires (on some cruisers); excessively wide front tires (on other cruisers); etc. One thing that cruisers do generally offer is easy throttle control and limited need to shift. While those would make cornering easier they don't make up for the other faults. The other end of the spectrum would be the real sportbikes (e.g., GSXR600). Just about all the faults listed above are taken to the other extreme making them difficult for the uninitiated to get good cornering performance out of them as well (e.g., tight steering geometry makes handling twitchier and can make holding a line more difficult). Power is concentrated in a limited range (so called powerband) and frequent shifting is necessary and the throttle can be difficult to control. In the hands of a skilled rider these are, obviously, the fastest bikes for cornering. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 11:52:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01586; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17120 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.wam.umd.edu (known po3.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.165]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21905 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac4.wam.umd.edu ((IDENT root)@rac4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.144]) by po3.wam.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.9.0.Beta6) with ESMTP id LAA26886 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac4.wam.umd.edu ((IDENT sendmail)@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac4.wam.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.9.0.Beta6) with ESMTP id LAA25133 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by rac4.wam.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.9.0.Beta6) with SMTP id LAA25127 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:52:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: rac4.wam.umd.edu: elkouss owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:52:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Paul F. Elkouss" Reply-To: "Paul F. Elkouss" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: AMA Bike To Work Day In-Reply-To: <19980715150842.14305.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I did, but only because the parking is better. The bike is extremely uncomfortable, I need a new seat. Paul Elkouss University of Maryland 1990 Yamaha yx600 Radian On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Craig wrote: > So did everybody ride their unit into work today?? > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 11:53:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01598; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17141 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (known gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21917 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:52:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) with SMTP; 15 Jul 1998 15:52:52 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA26197 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:52:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: AMA Bike To Work Day In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421C0E1D@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: Same here. I rode into work, but saw the same folks I usually commute with. And the motorcycle parking is as barren as always. (2-3 bikes). Perhaps this says more about bikers than we want it to? :) And in regards to that previous note about the unit arriving on the motorcycle, but him not being sure whether he wanted to ride it.. >From all the gals that have gone for rides on my unit, I've heard no complaints. Although the muffler backfires every now and then and catches them off guard. Err... > Of course.. no other option.. though I was highly dissapointed in the > total lack of other MCs on the road this morning.. I saw about the same > 2~3 that I always see.. > > Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM > US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 > Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 11:09 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: AMA Bike To Work Day > > So did everybody ride their unit into work today?? > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 11:53:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01638; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17174 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21940 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:53:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA31196; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:53:33 -0400 Message-ID: <35ACD059.48CA5844@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:52:57 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. References: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421C0E19@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sure, pick a date. As to the destination, it's a bit of a challenge, but I haven't climbed Mt. Washington yet. It's a little over 600 miles away, how about that? Of course, we could just go to someplace in Maine that has a good lunch? Does anyone know of such a place? I'd rather not go south in July or August. McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: >My VFR is more of a > touring bike than a sportbike.. it's actually comfortable. I'll have NO > problems doing an ironbutt on the VFR.. Speaking of.. Leon, you care to > do another this summer sometime? I'd rather not do one alone.. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 11:53:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01643; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17185 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21948 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA13902 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:46:04 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:50:59 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:53:45 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dreamer@XXXXXX Subject: ride your bike to... -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline -snippage- Anyone wanna comment on cruisers and curves, pro or con? Dawn Sure--they make great sparks=21 (flame-proofing below) Joe =2785 Ninja, =2768 FLH w/3* lean angle From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 11:58:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01686; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:58:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17384 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (known imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22141 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:58:45 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WRVFa04021 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:57:56 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: Sat ride Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_900518276_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_900518276_boundary Content-ID: <0_900518276@XXXXXX> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_900518276_boundary Content-ID: <0_900518276@XXXXXX> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Return-path: To: tleatsducks@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sat ride Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:57:13 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit So far...John K. Jon S. Bruce N. Brian M. Glenn D. Craig J. Hey, Count me in too!! Im coming from annapolis but I dont know how to get to the leesburg amoco. Anyone coming from up this way(anywhere between here and leesburg) wanna ride together? Sean G. Petr 98 TLR --part0_900518276_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 12:01:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01735; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:01:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17611 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (known usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22303 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:56:41 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 15 Jul 1998 11:55:43 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 15 Jul 1998 11:55:43 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 01A7135ACD0FF020-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 01A7135ACD0FF020 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <01A7135ACD0FF020*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 15 Jul 1998 11:55:43 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" (IPM Return requested), Craig (IPM Return requested) Subject: RE: AMA Bike To Work Day Message-Id: <01A7135ACD0FF020*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> No! Leaky is in the shop waiting to be fixed. ---------- From: Craig[SMTP:tleatsducks@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 11:27 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: AMA Bike To Work Day So did everybody ride their unit into work today?? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 12:05:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01910; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17807 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known redmailwall.attws.com [206.213.111.115]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22472 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:05:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id JAA19057; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id JAA26438; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:05:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA24400; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:05:13 -0700 Received: from hq-msg04.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id JAA24396; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:05:12 -0700 Received: by hq-msg04.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BDAFCF.ABAC2A80@XXXXXX>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:05:10 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'dreamer@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: ride your bike to... Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:59:04 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 Hi Dawn, I'll throw in my .02 tho I'm still trying to figure out if it's just me or it's my bike (454 LTD) but twisties and cruisers don't seem to go together all that well. At least not compared to how other riders on sporty bikes seem to do it. My only riding experience has been on my little LTD so I'm unsure if it's just me or if a more twisty-friendly bike could be the answer. Of course I have been told it's all in the rider - the type of bike doesn't matter. It could just be me that makes me suck at twisties. Suck as in I don't take them fast and don't lean into them like other riders do. I've been told that I don't lean at all, but I think I did once when no one was looking. :-) As I read back over this I think I just answered my own question. - it's all ME!!!!!! Oh hell, I'll blame it on my dry rotted hard ass front tire! :-P Hmm, replace the front tire or go ahead and get a new (or new to me) sporty, twisty-friendly bike? Hmm . . . - - Ursulina Kaw 454 LTD >-----Original Message----- >From: Dawn G.T. Gibson [SMTP:dreamer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 8:26 AM >To: DC Cycles >Subject: ride your bike to... > >oh... I was supposed to ride it to WORK? Opps! . > >Decided I needed an attitude adjustment day today so the Virago and I >headed to the mountains. For one reason or another I haven't been able >to ride as much as I'd like lately. I wandered up 55 to Front Royal and >up on to the Skyline Drive. Pretty morning. Came back off the Drive >onto 211 and back to 66. Didn't scrape any peg off or break any sound >barriers but had a most pleasant ride. Only about 190 miles though. >211 right off the Drive has some wonderful long sloping downhill curves >and I enjoyed them but I'm really beginning to think that cruisers are >not optimal for such things. I miss my K75SA when I travel through the >curves. Anyone wanna comment on cruisers and curves, pro or con? > >Dawn >-- >*=====================================================================* > from the mist and shadows, like a memory of things to come.... > to wander the paths of moonlight on water, in search of honesty, > empathy, beaches at sunrise, mountains under stars and eyes > to laugh back at mine... >*=====================================================================* > Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX >*=====================================================================* From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 12:19:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02056; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18376 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:19:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23190 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:19:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA21708 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:18:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: ride your bike to... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > My only riding experience has been on my little LTD so I'm unsure > if it's just me or if a more twisty-friendly bike could be the answer. Your bike is so extreme. While I don't spend much time sitting around looking at cruisers I was amazed at the sheer length and lack of girth of your forks. Spaghetti tastes good but doesn't make for good handling. > Hmm, replace the front tire or go ahead and get a new (or new to me) > sporty, twisty-friendly bike? Hmm . . . Replace the bike, replace the bike! Something with standard geometry (dang, you just missed Anita's nighthawk) would be a welcome change for you. EX500, Hawk GT, Nighthawk, etc. > Of course I have been told it's all in the rider - the type of bike > doesn't matter. While I may argue that point from time to time (maybe I just like to argue) I don't think it applies to beginners or relative beginners very well. Still, stick Max Biaggi on a super wide glide and he'd still kick my but even with me on a GP or World Superbike... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 12:26:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02176; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18491 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mac_dell.hst.nasa.gov (known dhcp100_96.hst.nasa.gov [198.118.96.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23359 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 198.118.96.1 by mac_dell.hst.nasa.gov (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT) Received: from dn7ty ([198.27.17.92]) by lmmail.hst.nasa.gov (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 93; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:22:59 -0400 Message-ID: <0da301bdb00d$74e574a0$5c111bc6@dn7ty.hst.lmms.lmco.com> From: "Rottier.Amy" To: "Viteri, Ursulina" , , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: cruisers and curves Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:27:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dawn, Urselina, et. al., I learned on a cruiser, too. Honda Shadow VT500 (is that right? the VT?). Anyway, part is rider, part is bike. Now, the PC800 is in no way a sport bike either, but... I find the handling through curvy sections *easier* - I don't have to fight it to get it to lean, and take the corners the way I want to. Yes, it's heavier; yes, it's still "standard" seating - but it handles better in the curves than the Shadow did. Shoot, even the Gold Wing is better than the Shadow in the curves (no flames, Dale!!! ;). I rode the Shadow for 8 years - and no, I'm not telling how (few) many miles. But, I did ride it through the likes of Rte 211 and the Blue Ridge and environs. Darn it, I don't need any more reasons to like my PC! I just like it, OK?!! There I go, defensive city... Y'all take care, now... Amy (breathe, in and two, out, and two...) >Hi Dawn, > >I'll throw in my .02 tho I'm still trying to figure out if it's just me >or it's my bike (454 LTD) but twisties and cruisers don't seem to go >together all that well. At least not compared to how other riders on >sporty bikes seem to do it. My only riding experience has been on my >little LTD so I'm unsure if it's just me or if a more twisty-friendly >bike could be the answer. >Of course I have been told it's all in the rider - the type of bike >doesn't matter. > >It could just be me that makes me suck at twisties. Suck as in I don't >take them fast and don't lean into them like other riders do. I've been >told that I don't lean at all, but I think I did once when no one was >looking. :-) > >As I read back over this I think I just answered my own question. - it's >all ME!!!!!! Oh hell, I'll blame it on my dry rotted hard ass front >tire! :-P > >Hmm, replace the front tire or go ahead and get a new (or new to me) >sporty, twisty-friendly bike? Hmm . . . > >- - Ursulina >Kaw 454 LTD >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Dawn G.T. Gibson [SMTP:dreamer@XXXXXX] >>Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 8:26 AM >>To: DC Cycles >>Subject: ride your bike to... >> >>oh... I was supposed to ride it to WORK? Opps! . >> >>Decided I needed an attitude adjustment day today so the Virago and I >>headed to the mountains. For one reason or another I haven't been able >>to ride as much as I'd like lately. I wandered up 55 to Front Royal and >>up on to the Skyline Drive. Pretty morning. Came back off the Drive >>onto 211 and back to 66. Didn't scrape any peg off or break any sound >>barriers but had a most pleasant ride. Only about 190 miles though. >>211 right off the Drive has some wonderful long sloping downhill curves >>and I enjoyed them but I'm really beginning to think that cruisers are >>not optimal for such things. I miss my K75SA when I travel through the >>curves. Anyone wanna comment on cruisers and curves, pro or con? >> >>Dawn >>-- >>*=====================================================================* >> from the mist and shadows, like a memory of things to come.... >> to wander the paths of moonlight on water, in search of honesty, >> empathy, beaches at sunrise, mountains under stars and eyes >> to laugh back at mine... >>*=====================================================================* >> Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX >>*=====================================================================* From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 12:29:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02212; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18541 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23482 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA29330; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:28:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980715162800.CEFM5751@[166.41.242.141]>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:28:00 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Leon Begeman CC: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980715162800.CEFM5751@[166.41.242.141]> How about somewhere close, like Bah-Hahbah! :) T >Sure, pick a date. As to the destination, it's a bit of a challenge, >but I haven't climbed Mt. Washington yet. It's a little over 600 miles >away, how about that? Of course, we could just go to someplace in Maine >that has a good lunch? Does anyone know of such a place? > >I'd rather not go south in July or August. McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: >My VFR is more of a > touring bike than a sportbike.. it's actually comfortable. I'll have NO > problems doing an ironbutt on the VFR.. Speaking of.. Leon, you care to > do another this summer sometime? I'd rather not do one alone.. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 12:36:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02259; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18636 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23604 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:35:53 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WBMIa07259 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1f61dd17.35acda40@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:35:10 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Road Rash Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Anyone played this game yet? Road Rash 3d? It sure does help to ease the tension after a day of riding.... ;-) Sean 98TLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 13:00:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02533; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:00:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18941 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24314 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA14406 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:52:22 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:57:18 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:59:39 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Dysart@XXXXXX, dreamer@XXXXXX Subject: RE: ride your bike to... -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Glenn, Just having fun. A good rider on a cruiser (or a Gold Wing) beats a poseur on a sport bike every time. Seen it happen lots. Riding school is a better deal than any 4-into-1 too... Joe '85 Ninja 900 >>> "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" - 7/15/98 12:42 PM >>> Hey now... you won't see many sparks behind me in the turns. I rarely scrape pegs. of course I can't keep up with the like of Craig but I leave plenty of other "better handling" bikes behind. Glenn > Sure--they make great sparks! (flame-proofing below) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 13:00:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02542; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18988 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.amsinc.com (known relay1.amsinc.com [162.70.103.24]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24320 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:00:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by relay1.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id NAA00380 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 85256642.005D686F ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:00:15 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256642.005D65A6.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:01:51 -0400 Subject: Re: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=1eylmJwEjjKUxuRHifysUEq7UgamMP9mSLqkPl19HQXWN8kY61gAwCTB" Content-Disposition: inline --0__=1eylmJwEjjKUxuRHifysUEq7UgamMP9mSLqkPl19HQXWN8kY61gAwCTB Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline There's a Mt. Washington in Pittsburgh...how's that for close? A race to Pittsburgh, up to the top of Mt. Washington, back down, and back to DC. Round trip would probably take 6 hours (at most for you land-pilots) :-) -Doug douglas_brashear@XXXXXX (Embedded image moved Todd Peer to file: 07/15/98 12:20 PM pic11389.pcx) To: Leon Begeman cc: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" , DC-Cycles Mailing List (bcc: Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC) Subject: Re: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. How about somewhere close, like Bah-Hahbah! :) T >Sure, pick a date. As to the destination, it's a bit of a challenge, >but I haven't climbed Mt. Washington yet. It's a little over 600 miles >away, how about that? 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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:16:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain On Wednesday, July 15, 1998 11:59 AM, Viteri, Ursulina [SMTP:ursulina.viteri@XXXXXX] wrote: > It could just be me that makes me suck at twisties. Suck as in I don't > take them fast and don't lean into them like other riders do. I've been > told that I don't lean at all, but I think I did once when no one was > looking. :-) And I've told you that you DO lean! I watched you in my rear view mirror, and saw you! A lot of this will be mental! You just need to practice... go to a parking lot and ride in circles, do anything but ride highways at 75 mph! :-) > Hmm, replace the front tire or go ahead and get a new (or new to me) > sporty, twisty-friendly bike? Hmm . . . I think if you are very uncomfortable (i.e. scared, nervous, panic-stricken) at the thought of twisty roads, it won't matter what bike you have! But, once you feel comfortable with cornering your bike (even if it is just at slower speeds), then you will be able to corner better and faster with a bike more suited to cornering! Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 13:18:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02767; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19389 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:18:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24771 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA04488; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <30F6DPQY>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:18:51 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F28A9@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Kirk Roy'" , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Cruisers in corners, was Re: ride your bike to... Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:18:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I can chime in here...being a multiple GSXR owner. My 93 was a blast to ride on the street. It had lots of power, but at the same time it had a moderately long wheel base, decent steering geometry, and plenty of weight to keep it stable. You put it on a line...it stays there till you change it. It's biggest disadvantage was, well, it's a heavy pig, and anyone over 5'10" would get some serious pains from the riding position and board seat. My 97 on the other hand, is a royal beast to hang on to. I've only ridden it on the track, so I can't compare street riding, but... This thing is bone stock putting out at least the same power as my 93, only thing is that it's over 100 lbs lighter (that's right...two zeros after that one)!! It also has a very radical steering geometry which to call it twitchy would be the understatement of the century! I'm still trying to figure out how to ride a lap around Summit Point without painting stripes with the rear tire! It's definitely on my list of bikes best ridden by someone with tamer sportbike experience. If you absolutely think that you must get something cooler than the EX500,GS500,etc. size sport bikes, my recommendation for entry level sport bikes are: CBR600 (ANY F#): comfy, good power, tons of parts available, capable of getting a lot more out of them with minor mod ZX6 (non-R models): tons of power, decent comfort, fair on parts availability GSXR6 or 7 (pre-96 models): Bulletproof engines, not so comfy, heavy, impossible to work on, great handling, loads of power VFR (any): Only the best ever street bike made with sport riding in mind (IMHO), hard(er) to get parts, expensive FZR600: great intro sport bike..kinda dated design, but why do you think they haven't changed it...it works! Katana 6 or 7: Another bike that hasn't changed in years, but it's perfect at what it does. Hawk GT: not a "true" sportbike, but they are so awesome at what they do that you just have to include it..getting really hard to find good ones cheap Those are the ones that come to mind..and not necessarily in that order. My money is still on the EX500, GS500 sized bikes though...cheap enough that if you decide you don't like it, you haven't really lost any money...yet sporty enough to go out and have a blast. My list of wouldn't wanna ride them anywhere but the track (or at least without lots of previous experience) GSXR6 or 7 (96+) CBR900 RR: needs a 17 inch front wheel and steering damper from the factory TL1K (either of them) ZX9RR R1 I've ridden all of these except the TL-R and R1...all of em are beasts that are fun to ride, but just can't be enjoyed to anywhere near their potential on the street (90% of the time). You can push a smaller bike a little harder and get the same enjoyment and performance. so...where did all this come from :) he he he....my brain must be wandering again... Collin > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 11:58 AM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Cruisers in corners, was Re: ride your bike to... > > > The other end of the spectrum would be the real sportbikes (e.g., > GSXR600). Just about all the faults listed above are taken to the other > extreme making them difficult for the uninitiated to get good cornering > performance out of them as well (e.g., tight steering geometry makes > handling twitchier and can make holding a line more difficult). Power is > concentrated in a limited range (so called powerband) and frequent > shifting is necessary and the throttle can be difficult to control. In the > hands of a skilled rider these are, obviously, the fastest bikes for > cornering. > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 13:26:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02879; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:26:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19573 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:26:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA24998 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA04831; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <30F6DPQ5>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:26:54 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F28AA@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "Viteri, Ursulina" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: ride your bike to... Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:26:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Ursulina, Try talking Leon into letting you try his Ninja 250 in one of the big commuter parking lots (one conveniently located near his house) and set up a cone course of some sort. His little ninja is probably the most confidence inspiring sportbike I have ever been on. It just feels right from the second you get on it. Plus, it doesn't have so much power that a small mistake amplifies into a huge one! As for riding today... I got a few EX500 parts in yesterday and started to get them put on....realized real quickly still more incompatibilities between year models. Somewhere between 89 and 94 they decided to switch sides with the brake rotor..so now I conveniently have to find some brake hose and lengthen the whole unit a few inches to make it work...grrr..the spacers are off just a bit too, but I made them fit...So..now I'm down to just needing an IC ignitor for the bike and lengthening the front brake line...one of these centuries I'll have a street bike again.... i'm getting really tired of riding the metro every day..it takes forever. The only plus side to it is that there is lot's of eye candy in the area, and I've read a lot of books over the past few months... Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 13:37:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03117; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19693 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25252 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA23435 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:37:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: ride your bike to... In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F28AA@MSCEX> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > Try talking Leon into letting you try his Ninja 250 in one of the big > commuter parking lots (one conveniently located near his house) and set up a > cone course of some sort. > > His little ninja is probably the most confidence inspiring sportbike I have > ever been on. It just feels right from the second you get on it. Plus, it > doesn't have so much power that a small mistake amplifies into a huge one! I hadn't thought of that one. Excellent choice, IMHO. Also, great range on that gas tank! What was it, 260+ miles per tank? Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 13:47:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03233; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19829 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1b.yahoomail.com (known send1b.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25462 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980715174410.19805.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1b; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:44:10 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:44:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: Sat. ride Attendees To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well here is a updated list of participants for Saturday : So far...John K. Jon S. Bruce N. Brian M. Glenn D. Craig J. Alex M. Kirk R. Sean P. Tom G. (maybe) hope I got all that have responded?? Looks like we'll be meeting at the AMOCO (Center of town) in Leesburg at 8:00 a.m. If anyone needs directions let me know. Craig _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 13:55:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03301; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19956 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25679 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:55:40 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id NAA14784 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:54:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199807151754.NAA14784@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:54:54 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:54:54 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:54:54 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:53:23 -0400 Subject: RE: AMA Bike To Work Day To: alexm@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME > On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > From all the gals that have gone for rides on my unit, I've heard > no complaints. Although the muffler backfires every now and then > and catches them off guard. Err... > gawd..if that line isn't sigfile material, I don't know what is.. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 13:57:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03326; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19967 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1d.yahoomail.com (known send1d.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.48]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25729 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980715175131.19371.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1d; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:51:30 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:51:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: RE: Cruisers in corners, was Re: ride your bike to... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cfagan@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I missed you yesterday when I blasted down 621 to Brambleton park Road at warp speeds...and did the Colin Wheelie over the toll road on my way to your little test track......I think I fall in to the above 90 % of the time catagory... ---"Fagan, Collin LTJG" wrote: > I've ridden all of these except the TL-R and R1...all of em are beasts that > are fun to ride, but just can't be enjoyed to anywhere near their potential > on the street (90% of the time). _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 14:00:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03364; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20012 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:00:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send101.yahoomail.com (known send101.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.87]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA25856 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980715175928.24251.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send101.yahoomail.com; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:59:28 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:59:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: RE: ride your bike to... To: DC-Cycles Mailing List , Kirk Roy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---Kirk Roy wrote: great range on > that gas tank! What was it, 260+ miles per tank? > > Kirk > > well hell it only has a chipmunk running around inside the cylinder head... _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 14:08:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03461; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20248 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26132 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:08:23 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421C0E2C@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'aki.damme@XXXXXX'" , alexm@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: AMA Bike To Work Day Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:06:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" WAIT A MINUTE.. you cut MY name for that, and I DIDN'T say that!!! Give it back to the rightfull owner - please.. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 1:53 PM To: alexm@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: AMA Bike To Work Day > On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > From all the gals that have gone for rides on my unit, I've heard > no complaints. Although the muffler backfires every now and then > and catches them off guard. Err... > gawd..if that line isn't sigfile material, I don't know what is.. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 14:11:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03506; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:11:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20330 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26359 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA02722; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:11:31 -0400 Message-ID: <35ACF0AE.2DD405EB@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:10:54 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: ride your bike to... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > > Try talking Leon into letting you try his Ninja 250 in one of the big > > commuter parking lots (one conveniently located near his house) and set up a > > cone course of some sort. Kirk Roy wrote: > I hadn't thought of that one. Excellent choice, IMHO. Also, great range on > that gas tank! What was it, 260+ miles per tank? Damn, if someone else wants to ride it I'll have to adjust the valves so it will stay running when the RPMs drop down to 5000 or so. Gas mileage depends on how fast it's going. The double yellow gang ride let the Ninja get pretty good gas mileage. They go slow on the straights and I go slow in the curves. I got about 50 mpg that day. The Ninja has either one or two 5 gal fuel tanks. I skipped two gas stops in a row coming back from Deal's Gap when I had 10 gallons of fuel along. The mileage wasn't as good that day. Ursulina, if you want to ride it, let me know and I'll take all the junk off. Leon. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 14:20:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03623; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20842 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26616 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:19:57 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WKLJa02268 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5301465.35acf23c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:17:31 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: AMA Bike To Work Day Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Haven't gone to work yet! But I always ride anyway!! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 85 Nighthawk 450 (still for sale) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 14:23:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03645; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21079 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26752 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:23:09 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id OAA16762 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:22:16 -0400 Message-Id: <199807151822.OAA16762@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:22:16 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:22:16 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:22:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:18:59 -0400 Subject: RE: AMA Bike To Work Day To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Cc: aki.damme@XXXXXX, alexm@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421C0E2C@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.ar> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME bwahahahahahaha!! sorry..just did a cut and paste from the previous message..wasn't intentional..gotta admit though, it's still funny.......... -aki > WAIT A MINUTE.. you cut MY name for that, and I DIDN'T say that!!! Give > it back to the rightfull owner - please.. > > Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM > US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 > Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aki.damme@XXXXXX > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 1:53 PM > To: alexm@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: AMA Bike To Work Day > > > On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > > > > From all the gals that have gone for rides on my unit, I've > heard > > no complaints. Although the muffler backfires every now and > then > > and catches them off guard. Err... > > > > > gawd..if that line isn't sigfile material, I don't know what > is.. > > -aki > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 14:29:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03720; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:29:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21472 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26996 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:29:38 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WWYYa04520 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <30d44369.35acf4c2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:28:16 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: cornering cruisers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 My Shadow 750 corners rather well now that I'm used to it. It's a big change from my Nighthawk 450. Being a bit heavier and having a lower CG it take a bit more ot lay it over in a corner, but she'll do it. It also takes all the power I can muster to heave it back over in a tight S turn, but again, it can be done. How a cruiser is ridden is based on the rider. Some may not feel comfortable doing tight corners at high speed. Others may feel perfectly fine doing it. We all have our preferences! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 85 Nighthawk 450 (buy me, someone!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 14:31:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03798; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21643 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:31:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27087 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA03357 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:31:40 -0400 Message-ID: <35ACF567.9FFF4F23@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:31:03 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: ride your bike to... References: <19980715175928.24251.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Craig wrote: > well hell it only has a chipmunk running around inside the cylinder > head... I beg your pardon, they're field mice, not chipmunks! And there are two of them! You just wait, once I open the ports between the cylinders, they'll be able to breed, and then I'll have thousands of them. It'll have almost as much power as Usulina's 454. :-) Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 14:31:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03802; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21652 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1a.yahoomail.com (known send1a.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.22]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27113 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980715170019.20534.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1a; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:00:19 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:00:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Joke of the day To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A horse and a chicken are playing in a meadow. The horse falls into a >>mudhole and is sinking. He calls to the chicken to go and get the >>farmer to help pull him out to safety. The chicken runs to the farm but >>the farmer can’t be found. So he drives the farmer’s BMW back to the mud >>hole and ties some rope around the bumper. He then throws >>the other end of the rope to his friend, the horse, and drives the car >>forward saving him from sinking! A few days later, the chicken and horse >>were playing in the meadow again and the chicken fell into the mud hole. >> >>The chicken yelled to the horse to go and get some help from the farmer. >>The horse said, “I think I can stand over the hole!” So he stretched over >>the width of the hole and said, “Grab for my ‘thingy’ and pull yourself >>up.” And the chicken did and pulled himself to safety. The moral of the >>story: If you’re hung like a horse, you don’t need a BMW to pick up >>chicks _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 14:33:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03869; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21732 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27193 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807151832.OAA27193@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A5AC8A013C; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:32:12 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:32:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: AMA Bike To Work Day In-Reply-To: References: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421C0E1D@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> So did everybody ride their unit into work today?? I haven't taken a car or the Metro to work since at least 2 winters ago - I think ... I seem to have lost count. I have a car available, sort of (teenage daughter) - but the bike it MUCH more convenient. I saw 5 cycles as soon as I pulled onto I-66; that was neat. But considering the very small window in which I would have to notice other vehicles (half a mile in front of me, a quarter mile behind me) I'm not sure if this was really unusual or not. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 14:33:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03868; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21729 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27192 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807151832.OAA27192@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A5AB8A013C; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:32:11 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:25:06 -0400 To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" , "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Clutch issues.. In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421C0E18@hqmail04.hecsa.usac e.army.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:43 AM 7/15/98 -0400, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: >I put >in my new clutch, got everything back together, started the bike and >clicked it into neutral - it jumped forward and died.. I put it back >into neutral.. held the front brake and tried the whole process again.. >Same results. ... >My question is what the F am I doing wrong? The ONLY thing I didn't do >was oil each plate (both friction plates and steels) like my service >manul says. Sounds like your clutch isn't fully disengaging - I get that sometimes in very cold weather. I've never had to rebuild a clutch, but I think that not oiling the clutch parts could lead to them sticking. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 14:40:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04005; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22078 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:40:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo30.mx.aol.com (known imo30.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.74]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27444 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:40:03 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WPOBa26167 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:38:51 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Joke of the day Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 That's why I drive a Tercel!! :)~ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 14:42:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04042; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22238 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (known camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27525 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (user-38lcirh.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.75.113]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA03757 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:41:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:41:22 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDAFFE.A2AC5980.zellto@mindspring.com> From: "Thomas W.Zell" Reply-To: "zellto@XXXXXX" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:41:19 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For you folks who are not in the know... the '86-88 VFR's were indeed CUTTING EDGE sportbikes when they were built.... sporty enough to best them all in taking the '86-'89(I believe) Superbike Championship. The new ones though are more geared towards touring... slow, portly, over-sized, over-weight.... did I mention slow? Later, Tom '86 VFR750R -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 11:09 AM To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > J- Tom's is probably the closest to a 'real sportbike' because he can > only ride it for a couple hundred miles at a time.. My VFR is more of a > touring bike than a sportbike.. it's actually comfortable. The VFRs not being real sportbikes thing was just a bit of a joke. No, I don't consider them real sportbikes but they are sufficiently sporty for anything one might consider reasonable for road riding. Note that I don't own a 'real sportbike' either... > I'll have NO problems doing an ironbutt on the VFR.. Speaking of.. Leon, > you care to do another this summer sometime? I'd rather not do one alone.. I might be convinced to join along... Particularly if Leon is willing to be the witness again... Of course, I have to stop every 120 miles or so for gas. I'm not quite ready to fit a gas station to the back of my bike as Leon has done. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 14:50:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04140; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:50:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22605 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (known camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27717 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (user-38lcirh.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.75.113]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA05458; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:48:55 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDAFFF.B0ED39A0.zellto@mindspring.com> From: "Thomas W.Zell" Reply-To: "zellto@XXXXXX" To: "'CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Road Rash Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:48:54 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forget Road Rash... what you need is Grand Theft Auto!!! One of the best games I've played in a long time. Check it out! -Tom -----Original Message----- From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX [SMTP:CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 12:35 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Road Rash Anyone played this game yet? Road Rash 3d? It sure does help to ease the tension after a day of riding.... ;-) Sean 98TLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 14:52:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04186; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22662 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27858 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:51:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA24963 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:51:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. In-Reply-To: <01BDAFFE.A2AC5980.zellto@mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Thomas W.Zell wrote: > For you folks who are not in the know... the '86-88 VFR's were indeed > CUTTING EDGE sportbikes when they were built.... sporty enough to best them > all in taking the '86-'89(I believe) Superbike Championship. I'd hardly call winning Daytona enough to make your bike CUTTING EDGE. :) > The new ones though are more geared towards touring... slow, portly, > over-sized, over-weight.... did I mention slow? I was referring more to the newer models, when race bike development went in a different direction from the standard VFR. Still, the old ones are a little dated to be considered serious sport bikes by today's standards. > '86 VFR750R Hmmm, methinks you missed THE bike by one year... If anyone owns an RC30 here and thought my VFRs aren't real sportbikes comment was directed towards them please let me apologize. I'm very very sorry. Could I borrow it? Pretty please? Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 14:54:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04227; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22702 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (known camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27997 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:54:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (user-38lcirh.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.75.113]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA08643; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:54:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:54:02 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDB000.67ACAC20.zellto@mindspring.com> From: "Thomas W.Zell" Reply-To: "zellto@XXXXXX" To: "'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'" , "'zellto@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:54:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Best I've seen on the dyno for the VFR800 has been right at 98 BHP and sure I'd love to spank a new VFR... mine stock was right at 90 BHP and it ain't stock no more... plus mine weighs in probably around 430lbs thanks to a serious diet. I think the VFR800 still weighs close to 500lbs ... so.... bring it on! -Tom -----Original Message----- From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 2:47 PM To: 'zellto@XXXXXX'; 'DC Cycles' Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. Slow??? I don't think you'd want to race Bruce's VFR800. Its putting well over 100 HP at the rear wheels. Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas W.Zell [SMTP:zellto@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 2:41 PM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. > > For you folks who are not in the know... the '86-88 VFR's were indeed > CUTTING EDGE sportbikes when they were built.... sporty enough to best > them > all in taking the '86-'89(I believe) Superbike Championship. > > The new ones though are more geared towards touring... slow, portly, > over-sized, over-weight.... did I mention slow? > > Later, > Tom > '86 VFR750R > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 11:09 AM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Re: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. > > On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > > J- Tom's is probably the closest to a 'real sportbike' because he can > > only ride it for a couple hundred miles at a time.. My VFR is more of a > > touring bike than a sportbike.. it's actually comfortable. > > The VFRs not being real sportbikes thing was just a bit of a joke. No, I > don't consider them real sportbikes but they are sufficiently sporty for > anything one might consider reasonable for road riding. Note that I don't > own a 'real sportbike' either... > > > I'll have NO problems doing an ironbutt on the VFR.. Speaking of.. Leon, > > you care to do another this summer sometime? I'd rather not do one > alone.. > > I might be convinced to join along... Particularly if Leon is willing to > be the witness again... Of course, I have to stop every 120 miles or so > for gas. I'm not quite ready to fit a gas station to the back of my bike > as Leon has done. > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 15:00:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04374; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22960 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (known camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28239 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (user-38lcirh.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.75.113]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA17885; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:00:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:59:38 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDB001.30431340.zellto@mindspring.com> From: "Thomas W.Zell" Reply-To: "zellto@XXXXXX" To: "'McCoy, Brian P HQ02'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: AMA Bike To Work Day Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:59:37 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since I work at home... I took my naked VFR (I'm painting it for lack of anything else to do) around the block to say that I rode to work too! : ) -Tom -----Original Message----- From: McCoy, Brian P HQ02 [SMTP:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 11:29 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: AMA Bike To Work Day Of course.. no other option.. though I was highly dissapointed in the total lack of other MCs on the road this morning.. I saw about the same 2~3 that I always see.. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- From: Craig Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 11:09 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: AMA Bike To Work Day So did everybody ride their unit into work today?? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 15:02:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04439; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22998 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:02:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known redmailwall.attws.com [206.213.111.115]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28278 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:02:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id MAA12884; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:02:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id MAA07342; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id MAA13650; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:01:43 -0700 Received: from hq-msg04.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id MAA13645; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:01:42 -0700 Received: by hq-msg04.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BDAFE8.540CCB40@XXXXXX>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:01:41 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" To: "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" Subject: RE: ride your bike to... Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:55:40 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 > >You just wait, once I open the ports between the cylinders, they'll be >able to breed, and then I'll have thousands of them. It'll have almost >as much power as Usulina's 454. :-) > >***450cc's of squirrel power, as it's been called! About as much as my >Toyota Celica! :-D > >- - Ursulina From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 15:07:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04507; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23072 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28400 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA25248 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:06:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:06:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. In-Reply-To: <01BDB000.67ACAC20.zellto@mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Thomas W.Zell wrote: > Best I've seen on the dyno for the VFR800 has been right at 98 BHP and sure > I'd love to spank a new VFR... mine stock was right at 90 BHP and it ain't > stock no more... plus mine weighs in probably around 430lbs thanks to a > serious diet. I think the VFR800 still weighs close to 500lbs ... so.... > bring it on! 430 lbs after a diet? Porker says me! That's probably 100 lbs more than Leon's bike, 30 lbs more than mine full of gas, 60 more than a Bandit 400, etc. The new vs old VFR thing would probably come down to rider skill, assuming a curvy course is chosen. If you're talking drag racing, what's the point? Besides, I think we can all agree that racing on the street isn't wise... If you want to come on a friendly trip to WV and test your mettle against a 60 hp bike through some fun corners we'll be leaving Aug 8... It won't be a race but the pace will be spirited. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 15:09:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04555; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23114 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28489 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:10:02 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421C0E32@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:08:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hrm.. could SWORE that 86, 87 and 88 AMA national #1 plates were on VFRs.. or rather won on VFRs.. 89 was the year of the RC30 Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Roy Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 2:51 PM To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Thomas W.Zell wrote: > For you folks who are not in the know... the '86-88 VFR's were indeed > CUTTING EDGE sportbikes when they were built.... sporty enough to best them > all in taking the '86-'89(I believe) Superbike Championship. I'd hardly call winning Daytona enough to make your bike CUTTING EDGE. :) > The new ones though are more geared towards touring... slow, portly, > over-sized, over-weight.... did I mention slow? I was referring more to the newer models, when race bike development went in a different direction from the standard VFR. Still, the old ones are a little dated to be considered serious sport bikes by today's standards. > '86 VFR750R Hmmm, methinks you missed THE bike by one year... If anyone owns an RC30 here and thought my VFRs aren't real sportbikes comment was directed towards them please let me apologize. I'm very very sorry. Could I borrow it? Pretty please? Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 15:11:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04578; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23140 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28529 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09874; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <30F6DPRY>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:11:44 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F28AE@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'zellto@XXXXXX'" , "'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:11:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Looking at m/c online's writeup, the new viffer has about 98 rear wheel ponies http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mchonda/98vfr/dyno.html this also from those silly guys.... The Family Tree Actually, Honda can not claim clean hands in all this superbike madness. In 1983 Honda introduced the original VF750F Interceptor. An excellent street bike, the original Interceptor also posted eight AMA Superbike victories, including the Daytona 200, and finished second in the series. Three years later, Honda gave the Interceptor a complete make-over. First, they added an "R" to the "VF." Next, they redesigned the V-4 engine with a geared cam-drive, offering more peak power. Then they mounted the engine to an aluminum racing frame, covered it with a full fairing and lopped off almost 45 pounds in the process. Finally, in superbike trim, Fred Merkel won the AMA Superbike Title and Wayne Rainey finished second. Above all else, the all-new VFR750F retained its street-wise comfort and balance. > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas W.Zell [SMTP:zellto@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 3:03 PM > To: 'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'; 'zellto@XXXXXX'; 'DC Cycles' > Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. > > Best I've seen on the dyno for the VFR800 has been right at 98 BHP and > sure > I'd love to spank a new VFR... mine stock was right at 90 BHP and it ain't > > stock no more... plus mine weighs in probably around 430lbs thanks to a > serious diet. I think the VFR800 still weighs close to 500lbs ... so.... > bring it on! > > -Tom > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 15:12:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04595; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23165 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28565 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:12:05 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256642.0069CFA3 ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:15:44 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: "zellto@XXXXXX" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256642.00687D17.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:15:40 -0400 Subject: RE: Road Rash Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline If you like Grand Theft Auto then you owe it to yourself to try Carmageddon. 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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 15:12:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04614; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23184 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (known relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28588 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ywWyo-00023e-00; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:12:42 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id <3SY5TKX5>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:11:26 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8254DE@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'zellto@XXXXXX'" , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:08:47 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I KNEW it!! ; ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas W.Zell [SMTP:zellto@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 2:41 PM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. > > For you folks who are not in the know... the '86-88 VFR's were indeed > CUTTING EDGE sportbikes when they were built.... sporty enough to best > them > all in taking the '86-'89(I believe) Superbike Championship. > > The new ones though are more geared towards touring... slow, portly, > over-sized, over-weight.... did I mention slow? > > Later, > Tom > '86 VFR750R > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 15:17:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04677; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23386 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (known camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28697 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (user-38lcirh.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.75.113]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA09950; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:16:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:16:18 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDB003.84538B20.zellto@mindspring.com> From: "Thomas W.Zell" Reply-To: "zellto@XXXXXX" To: "'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'" , "'zellto@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:16:18 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pipe, Dyno Jet Stage 2, F2 front suspension, F2 wheels(lighter... less power robbing mass compared to original), rebuilt 750cc motor(last year... about 4000 miles now), higher compression(11.5:1 vs 10.5:1 stock), all fiberglass bodywork and tank(super-light), modified rear subframe(reduced weight...will be replacing with aluminum shortly), D207ZR's, etc. -Tom -----Original Message----- From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 3:07 PM To: 'zellto@XXXXXX'; 'DC Cycles' Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. Not quite. 458.9 lbs. (208.2kg) to be exact (that's dry of course). Of course Bruce's bike has a pipe on it. What else have you done Bruce? So what are you mods? Glenn > Best I've seen on the dyno for the VFR800 has been right at 98 BHP and > sure > I'd love to spank a new VFR... mine stock was right at 90 BHP and it ain't > > stock no more... plus mine weighs in probably around 430lbs thanks to a > serious diet. I think the VFR800 still weighs close to 500lbs ... so.... > bring it on! > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 15:24:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04786; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:24:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA23969 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28921 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:24:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA25586 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:24:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Reply-To: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421C0E32@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > Hrm.. could SWORE that 86, 87 and 88 AMA national #1 plates were on > VFRs.. or rather won on VFRs.. 89 was the year of the RC30 The RC30 IS a VFR (VFR750R). It came out in 87 and was discontinued in 92 (making way for the RC45). It was the first Honda 'street' bike with the single sided swingarm (note, the RC30 wasn't a real street bike - they put out enough for homologation in WSB and that's it). This beat Honda's introduction of its first mass produced bike with a single sided swingarm, the Hawk GT (aka NT647, aka RC31), by one year. The RC30 is probably one of the most desireable bikes out there, IMHO... It's a parent of the current VFR, the Hawk, the RC45... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 15:31:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04901; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:31:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24259 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29088 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p30dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.62]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA30831; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:31:21 -0400 Message-ID: <011901bdb027$270cb800$22f31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:31:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Spirited, eh?? Please translate that one for me, Kirk. Do parts drag at a spirited pace? -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Date: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 3:16 PM Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. >... If you want to come on a friendly trip to WV and test your mettle >against a 60 hp bike through some fun corners we'll be leaving Aug 8... It >won't be a race but the pace will be spirited. > >Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 15:51:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05596; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25186 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29979 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <38RQABW8>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:42:53 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C40488645A@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'JOE NAGY'" , "'DC Cycles'" , dreamer@XXXXXX Subject: RE: ride your bike to... -Reply Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:42:33 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Hey now... you won't see many sparks behind me in the turns. I rarely scrape pegs. of course I can't keep up with the like of Craig but I leave plenty of other "better handling" bikes behind. Glenn > Sure--they make great sparks! (flame-proofing below) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 15:51:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05600; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:51:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25182 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29977 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <38RQAAGL>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:13:01 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C404886457@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? -Reply Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:12:41 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) I kinda like the second one. Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 10:59 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? -Reply > > Ok, I still prefer the first one. > > - Jeannette > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 10:58 AM > > To: 'O'Brien, Jeannette' > > Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? -Reply > > > > http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 15:51:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05604; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25191 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29984 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <30LBYMC0>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:47:33 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C404886461@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'zellto@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:47:11 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Slow??? I don't think you'd want to race Bruce's VFR800. Its putting well over 100 HP at the rear wheels. Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas W.Zell [SMTP:zellto@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 2:41 PM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. > > For you folks who are not in the know... the '86-88 VFR's were indeed > CUTTING EDGE sportbikes when they were built.... sporty enough to best > them > all in taking the '86-'89(I believe) Superbike Championship. > > The new ones though are more geared towards touring... slow, portly, > over-sized, over-weight.... did I mention slow? > > Later, > Tom > '86 VFR750R > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 11:09 AM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Re: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. > > On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > > J- Tom's is probably the closest to a 'real sportbike' because he can > > only ride it for a couple hundred miles at a time.. My VFR is more of a > > touring bike than a sportbike.. it's actually comfortable. > > The VFRs not being real sportbikes thing was just a bit of a joke. No, I > don't consider them real sportbikes but they are sufficiently sporty for > anything one might consider reasonable for road riding. Note that I don't > own a 'real sportbike' either... > > > I'll have NO problems doing an ironbutt on the VFR.. Speaking of.. Leon, > > you care to do another this summer sometime? I'd rather not do one > alone.. > > I might be convinced to join along... Particularly if Leon is willing to > be the witness again... Of course, I have to stop every 120 miles or so > for gas. I'm not quite ready to fit a gas station to the back of my bike > as Leon has done. > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 15:51:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05611; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25196 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29989 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <30LBYMQB>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:07:15 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C404886462@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'zellto@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:06:51 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Not quite. 458.9 lbs. (208.2kg) to be exact (that's dry of course). Of course Bruce's bike has a pipe on it. What else have you done Bruce? So what are you mods? Glenn > Best I've seen on the dyno for the VFR800 has been right at 98 BHP and > sure > I'd love to spank a new VFR... mine stock was right at 90 BHP and it ain't > > stock no more... plus mine weighs in probably around 430lbs thanks to a > serious diet. I think the VFR800 still weighs close to 500lbs ... so.... > bring it on! > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 15:51:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05610; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25192 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29982 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <30LBYK2C>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:15:33 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C40488645D@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'JOE NAGY'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dreamer@XXXXXX Subject: RE: ride your bike to... -Reply -Reply Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:15:06 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) I knew you were just having fun. Hopefully I can get into that cornering school with Tom G. and Kirk in September. :-) Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: JOE NAGY [SMTP:NAGYJ@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 1:00 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN; > dreamer@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: ride your bike to... -Reply -Reply > > Glenn, > Just having fun. A good rider on a cruiser (or a Gold Wing) beats a > poseur on a sport bike every time. Seen it happen lots. Riding school > is a better deal than any 4-into-1 too... > Joe > '85 Ninja 900 > > >>> "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" - 7/15/98 > 12:42 PM >>> > Hey now... you won't see many sparks behind me in the turns. I rarely > scrape pegs. of course I can't keep up with the like of Craig but I > leave > plenty of other "better handling" bikes behind. > > Glenn > > > > Sure--they make great sparks! (flame-proofing below) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 15:51:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05612; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25198 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29991 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <30LBYM5C>; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:22:50 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C404886464@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'zellto@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:22:29 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Well, I'd like to see it run against a new one that's all. I once knew a guy who had a KZ750 who said he could beat an EX500 and lost. Of course the guy with the KZ had mods up the kazoo and the EX was bone stock. Glenn > Pipe, Dyno Jet Stage 2, F2 front suspension, F2 wheels(lighter... less > power robbing mass compared to original), rebuilt 750cc motor(last year... > > about 4000 miles now), higher compression(11.5:1 vs 10.5:1 stock), all > fiberglass bodywork and tank(super-light), modified rear subframe(reduced > > weight...will be replacing with aluminum shortly), D207ZR's, etc. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 15:58:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05981; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25405 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00248 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA26273 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:58:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. In-Reply-To: <011901bdb027$270cb800$22f31bce@richard> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Thomas H. Gimer wrote: > Spirited, eh?? Please translate that one for me, Kirk. > > Do parts drag at a spirited pace? You almost tricked me on that one Tom. I was about to write up a big explanation of what I mean by 'spirited' until I realized I was being asked this question by Tom G and not Tom Z. You know that spirited means only dragging parts when its raining. Of course you don't drag parts when its dry out as that could cause fires. Very dangerous. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 16:09:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06392; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25643 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA.ORG (known NB160-194.ibtnet.com [206.135.160.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA00794 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA-Message_Server by ACA.ORG with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:06:29 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:08:54 -0400 From: David Wakefield To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, zellto@XXXXXX Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. -Reply "For you folks who are not in the know... the '86-88 VFR's were indeed CUTTING EDGE sportbikes when they were built.... sporty enough to best them all in taking the '86-'89(I believe) Superbike Championship." Not to come out and flat call you wrong or anything, but... (And I'm quoting from this month's Motorcyclist magazine) "Neither the ['86 Yamaha] FZ nor ['86] Interceptor could beat the GSX-R around the racetrack (the FZ came close), though both made better all-around streetbikes (especially the VFR). Still, narrowly focused or not, the GSX-R 750 sold like free beer." Congratulations, Tom. You're the proud owner of the least sporting 750 "sportbike" of 1986. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 16:22:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06859; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25861 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01384 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.90] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA00334; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:22:44 -0400 Message-ID: <35ACC87B.40DFFAD5@anent.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:19:23 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh yeah like I believe that ;~) Kirk Roy wrote: > . Of course you don't drag parts when > its dry out as that could cause fires. Very dangerous. > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 16:23:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06882; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25875 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01414 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.25.53]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 205 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:23:02 -0400 Message-ID: <35AD1040.6F563768@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:25:36 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: AMA Bike To Work Day References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > So did everybody ride their unit into work today?? Actually, I'm playing hooky from work today, haven't been on the bike at all. Go figure. I'm losing poseur points fast! :-) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" No dead bugs today... :( 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 17:29:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA07855; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26902 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03670 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:29:45 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA01014; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807152128.RAA01014@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: AMA Bike To Work Day To: tleatsducks@XXXXXX (Craig) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980715150842.14305.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> from "Craig" at Jul 15, 98 08:08:42 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > So did everybody ride their unit into work today?? > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > me too ! _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 17:44:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08100; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27056 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA04029 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.46]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:41:22 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Craig" , Subject: RE: AMA Bike To Work Day Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:42:25 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bdb039$75061800$2e80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <19980715150842.14305.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > So did everybody ride their unit into work today?? Of course. It's Wednesday. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 17:47:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08132; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27106 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:46:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA04091 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.46]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:43:52 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Missed it all.. Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:44:55 -0400 Message-ID: <000701bdb039$ce545660$2e80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421C0E20@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > I missed all the comments on the new BMW.. but, DAMN.. that thing's > beautiful.. a bit porky, but I think I could forgive the weight if it > felt right... A bit porky? C'mon, we all know 'lightweight' and 'BMW' are mutually exclusive:) It's a nice looking bike. Morton's had deposits on some a few weeks ago. The only problem with that is it will be forever until I can test ride one. But, given that the R11RS is too sporty for me, I think the R11S will be overkill. Now, the K11RS... That's on the boarder line. But it's not a sport bike. More like a bullet train. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 17:53:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08186; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:53:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27177 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA04268 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.46]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:50:14 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Craig" , Subject: RE: Joke of the day Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:51:18 -0400 Message-ID: <000901bdb03a$b241f260$2e80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <19980715170019.20534.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > >>story: If you’re hung like a horse, you don’t need a BMW to pick up > >>chicks Then there's us lucky sots who have both those attributes;) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 18:30:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08626; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27597 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05184 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:30:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA05588; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:29:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-39.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.103) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma005552; Wed Jul 15 17:29:27 1998 Message-ID: <35AD4FC3.6071@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:57:06 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride to work day Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Every day for two weeks, but I only saw one more than usual in the Parking garage today...Ooops, make that two, there was a Voyager XII there I dont usually see. -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 18:40:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08843; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28134 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (known dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA05456 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (user-38lcit3.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.75.163]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA26258; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:39:20 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDB01F.E11EAA80.zellto@mindspring.com> From: "Thomas W.Zell" Reply-To: "zellto@XXXXXX" To: "'David Wakefield'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "zellto@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. -Reply Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:39:19 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Motorcyclist rag is the last piece of crap that I would believe.... rather use it out in the woods as toilet paper!! I believe that myself and quite a few other VFR owners would beg to differ on that one... plus.... how many piece of shit old GSXR 750s from the 80's do you find running around? Surely not as many as with the VFR. Plus... my bike is MY bike therefore it's better than everyone else's!!! ;-) -----Original Message----- From: David Wakefield [SMTP:DavidW@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 4:09 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; zellto@XXXXXX Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. -Reply "For you folks who are not in the know... the '86-88 VFR's were indeed CUTTING EDGE sportbikes when they were built.... sporty enough to best them all in taking the '86-'89(I believe) Superbike Championship." Not to come out and flat call you wrong or anything, but... (And I'm quoting from this month's Motorcyclist magazine) "Neither the ['86 Yamaha] FZ nor ['86] Interceptor could beat the GSX-R around the racetrack (the FZ came close), though both made better all-around streetbikes (especially the VFR). Still, narrowly focused or not, the GSX-R 750 sold like free beer." Congratulations, Tom. You're the proud owner of the least sporting 750 "sportbike" of 1986. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 19:18:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09318; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA28579 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA06272 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:18:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.75] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA00049; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:18:27 -0400 Message-ID: <011101bdb046$824fa960$4b73c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "Craig" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Sat. ride Attendees Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:15:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Tom T. might be able to go provided we can find a rear brake hose for a '94 CBR600F2. Original hose is cut & leaking. (long story, please don't ask) Any ideas for SS Brake lines in a hurry? Thanks, Bruce > Well here is a updated list of participants for Saturday : > > So far...John K. > Jon S. > Bruce N. > Brian M. > Glenn D. > Craig J. > Alex M. > Kirk R. > Sean P. > Tom G. (maybe) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 19:38:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09424; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:38:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29427 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:38:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA06653 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt (207-172-121-95.s95.tnt15.brd.erols.com [207.172.121.95]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA02499; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807152337.TAA02499@smtp1.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: "Craig" , Subject: Re: Sat ride Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:34:59 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to ride also, but 8:00 in Leesburg is awfully early!!! It takes me about an our to get there from Lorton. Roy D. Turner, Esq. ---------- > From: Craig > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Sat ride > Date: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 7:27 AM > > > > Count me in for Sat. > > Well here is a list of participants for Saturday : > > So far...John K. > Jon S. > Bruce N. > Brian M. > Glenn D. > Craig J. > > hope > I got all that have responded?? > > Looks like we'll be meeting at the AMOCO (Center of town) in Leesburg > at 8:00 a.m. > If anyone needs directions let me know. > Craig > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 20:20:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA09687; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA00149 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA07386 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.75] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA00268 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:20:34 -0400 Message-ID: <01f001bdb04f$3026dc40$4b73c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:17:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I'm not going there! :) Ride, yes. Race, no. As far as I'm concerned, my VFR800 kicks my ass and that's all I need. (Dyno'ed at 100.2HP w/ a Staintune slip-on) Sounds great, looks great, makes me smile very wide every time I swing a leg over it. Bruce >Best I've seen on the dyno for the VFR800 has been right at 98 BHP and sure >I'd love to spank a new VFR... mine stock was right at 90 BHP and it ain't >stock no more... plus mine weighs in probably around 430lbs thanks to a >serious diet. I think the VFR800 still weighs close to 500lbs ... so.... >bring it on! > >-Tom From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 20:26:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA09716; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA00188 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vlti.visuallink.com (known visuallink.com [206.151.68.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA07456 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from visuallink.com (ppp22.visuallink.com [206.151.68.182]) by vlti.visuallink.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA13685; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:28:41 -0400 Message-ID: <35AD724B.6B5CB4F2@visuallink.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:23:56 -0700 From: Ivan the Not So Terrible but Somewhat Naughty Reply-To: ivank@XXXXXX Organization: Completely UNOrganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Craig CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: AMA Bike To Work Day References: <19980715150842.14305.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yup...do I get extra points for "sparks?" :-) Craig wrote: > > So did everybody ride their unit into work today?? > -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ivan S. Keefer Winchester, VA (Shenandoah Valley, Blue Ridge Mts., motorcycles *sigh*) mailto:ivank@XXXXXX 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S blue/black (current) 1982 Suzuki GS1100L 2-tone blue (RIP) AMA # 487634 International Brotherhood of Teamsters Local 29 Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/8926/index.html ICQ http://wwp.mirabilis.com/3136585 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 21:03:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA09983; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00541 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vlti.visuallink.com (known visuallink.com [206.151.68.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07881 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from visuallink.com (ppp22.visuallink.com [206.151.68.182]) by vlti.visuallink.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA15940; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:06:13 -0400 Message-ID: <35AD7B17.2E82F47A@visuallink.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:01:27 -0700 From: Ivan the Not So Terrible but Somewhat Naughty Reply-To: ivank@XXXXXX Organization: Completely UNOrganized X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mersch, Tom" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday References: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC3F@RBMAIL103> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mersch, Tom wrote: > > The unmarked road is CR15 (Coldstream Road / Springfield Grade > Road), which runs from Capon Bridge west through Slanesville (at WV 29) > Greetings from a former lister who recently returned to the fray. :-) I know this road well. I spent a good deal of my high school daze running the roads of Hampshire Co., WV. Matter of fact, my dad's home (my former home) is just after turning on Coldstream Rd. in Capon Bridge. > 'interesting', most 'technical' switchbacks this side of running with the bulls -- >the turns look tighter than US 211 and, since it is a CR, it is probably just barely >wide enough for two cars. The proposed route is narrow in spots and definantly "challenging" at speed. Actually, US 211 coming down the mountain on the east side of Skyline Drive is a good example. OTOH, it's fun as all get out. Kinda like any road within 10 minutes of my front door. Sorry couldn't resist... =8-D -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ivan S. Keefer Winchester, VA (Shenandoah Valley, Blue Ridge Mts., motorcycles *sigh*) mailto:ivank@XXXXXX 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S blue/black (current) 1982 Suzuki GS1100L 2-tone blue (RIP) AMA # 487634 International Brotherhood of Teamsters Local 29 Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/8926/index.html ICQ http://wwp.mirabilis.com/3136585 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 21:05:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA10005; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00550 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cais.cais.com (known cais.cais.net [199.0.216.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07900 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:05:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (dynamic106.cais.com [207.226.56.106]) by cais.cais.com (8.8.5/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id UAA09604; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000e01bdb06e$96152060$6a38e2cf@wowbager> From: "Mike B." To: , "Craig" Subject: Re: AMA Bike To Work Day Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:02:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 -----Original Message----- From: Craig To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 8:20 AM Subject: AMA Bike To Work Day >So did everybody ride their unit into work today?? > > Well I didn't ride to work today . having left my bike with the guys at Cycle Sport in Herndon, for the break-in service on Monday and getting it back Tuesday night, I felt like burning some leave and taking a ride out to W.Va. Ran into 4 construction sites on 33 in W.Va. kind of made for slow going :-( Mike B. 98 ZX 900R > > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 21:52:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA10261; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00857 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news1.radix.net (known news1.radix.net [209.48.224.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA08475 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialin36.annex5.radix.net (dialin36.annex5.radix.net [209.48.227.72]) by news1.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA16646 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35AD869C.634@radix.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:52:25 -0700 From: Jim Terry Reply-To: jterry@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: ride to work day Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I usually see motorcyles everywhere on nice days today I did not see another motorcycle all day. What happened? Perplexed, Jim From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 21:58:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA10300; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00947 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA08550 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:58:51 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id BELSa11468; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:57:58 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:57:58 EDT To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: DC Cycles logo - WAS: dc-cycles as a club? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 I'm going to do a logo that doesn't feature an ENTIRE bike, rather a piece of it so it could be any bike ..... it'll be done early next week..... Marcy In a message dated 98-07-15 07:53:37 EDT, you write: << Hey George.. how about a majority vote? I think the VFR riders are at least as many as the CBR people... and the strange ones who ride things like BMWs and Buells are just going to have the enjoy the exclusivity they paid for.... :P >> In a message dated 98-07-15 07:53:37 EDT, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: << Hey George.. how about a majority vote? I think the VFR riders are at least as many as the CBR people... and the strange ones who ride things like BMWs and Buells are just going to have the enjoy the exclusivity they paid for.... :P >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 22:18:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA10444; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA01097 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:18:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08899 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:18:31 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id FOVQa19316; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:17:55 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:17:55 EDT To: bnorton@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sat. ride Attendees Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 > Well here is a updated list of participants for Saturday : > > So far...John K. > Jon S. > Bruce N. > Brian M. > Glenn D. > Craig J. > Alex M. > Kirk R. > Sean P. > Tom (Maybe) Also, I got my stepbrother coming on saturday too. boy, the 6 am departure time will be nice. lemme tell ya... lol See ya then Sean G. Petr 98 TLR (coming from annapolis) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 22:34:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA10668; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA01179 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm06sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm06sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.155]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA09132 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from daveweaver (usr9-dialup18.mix1.Bloomington.mci.net) by PM05SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) with SMTP id <0EW600JQX20WQO@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 02:41:17 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:29:21 -0400 From: Dave Weaver Subject: Re: DC Cycles logo - WAS: dc-cycles as a club? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <01bdb061$8a6f2ce0$121537a6@daveweaver> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Priority: 3 I went ahead and submitted another logo on the page (Entry #4). It's a sketched yellow GSXR riding past a skewed Washington Monument. I'll be playing around with more ideas soon. Dave -----Original Message----- From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 10:12 PM Subject: Re: DC Cycles logo - WAS: dc-cycles as a club? >I'm going to do a logo that doesn't feature an ENTIRE bike, rather a piece of >it so it could be any bike ..... it'll be done early next week..... > >Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 23:43:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA11253; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA01585 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:43:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (known camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10048 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (user-38lcmg4.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.90.4]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA02317; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:42:40 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDB04A.4108B4C0.zellto@mindspring.com> From: "Thomas W.Zell" Reply-To: "zellto@XXXXXX" To: "'Bruce Norton'" , DC-Cycles Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:42:38 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And that's the way it's supposed to be!! :-) -Tom -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Norton [SMTP:bnorton@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 8:18 PM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. I'm not going there! :) Ride, yes. Race, no. As far as I'm concerned, my VFR800 kicks my ass and that's all I need. (Dyno'ed at 100.2HP w/ a Staintune slip-on) Sounds great, looks great, makes me smile very wide every time I swing a leg over it. Bruce >Best I've seen on the dyno for the VFR800 has been right at 98 BHP and sure >I'd love to spank a new VFR... mine stock was right at 90 BHP and it ain't >stock no more... plus mine weighs in probably around 430lbs thanks to a >serious diet. I think the VFR800 still weighs close to 500lbs ... so.... >bring it on! > >-Tom From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 15 23:55:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA11320; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA01653 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:55:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA10189 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA22865 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:54:57 -0400 (EDT) From: adl64@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: (fwd) Skyline Ride Invitation Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 03:58:24 GMT Message-ID: <35b27a43.1056384122@relay.mnsinc.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:05:34 EDT, wrote: NORTHERN VIRGINIA MOTORCYCLE GROUP RIDES (NOVA MGR) Dear fellow motorcycle enthusiasts, >WHAT=92S IN THIS E-MAIL? Here are the different topics you will find in this Email: >Invitation to the NOVA MGR Skyline Ride this Sunday, July 19th >Bulletin Board (Updated 7/15/98) >Letter from a fellow NOVA MGR rider >If you are new to NOVA MGR >About NOVA MGR >For more information about NOVA MGR >How to stop receiving our announcements >INVITATION TO THE NOVA MGR SKYLINE RIDE THIS SUNDAY, JULY 19TH With Sunday's temperature expected to be 90 degrees, you will really enjoy a nice cool ride along Skyline Drive. Don't miss out on one of the most popular NOVA MGR rides of all time. For those of you who have been on this one before, you know how popular they are. Fortunately, we have some volunteers who are willing help lead if we should have a large enough turnout to require several groups. I have also put together maps and route sheets for you to have. Attached to the route sheets being handed out, you will find the updated NOVA MGR Calendar of Events for 1998 through December. LOCATION - Old Country Buffet in Manassas off route 234 (Email NOVAMGR@XXXXXX for directions) TIME - 8:00am to 8:30am for breakfast. Ride starts by 9am. DIRECTIONS - From I-66, take exit 47A (Manassas - route 234/Sudley Road south) and proceed for about one mile. Turn left into Westgate shopping center (look for Giant and Long John Silvers restaurant). DETAILS - Meet for a huge all-you-can-eat breakfast buffet, which will cost about $6.50. If you are not interested in having breakfast with the group, we plan to leave 9am. I highly recommend eating a large breakfast since the official meal stop isn't until after 2pm. The ride heads south to the end of route 28 before heading south past Culpepper on 29. We take some back roads at that point and the first break is in Stanardsville at the Dairy Queen and gas station around 10:30am. You can grab a quick snack or top off your gas tank. Next, we take some nice twisty and very rural back roads for about 40 miles to the southern entrance of Skyline Drive, where we will break again for gas. Total miles traveled at this point in the ride is nearly 100. The entrance fee for Skyline Drive is $5.00 for bikes. They accept cash or credit cards. We will stop at scenic overlooks before the meal break, which is at Big Meadows. We continue on to exit the Drive, after riding 70 miles of it, at the infamous route 211. After 211 straightens back out, we conclude the ride at the Texaco. Then, we make our way back towards Warrenton and split off by route 66 in Gainesville. You should arrive home after 6pm. This is the most highly rated ride in the NOVA MGR collection. I hope to see a lot of you there! For more details, Email NOVAMGR@XXXXXX. Please arrive with enough fuel to ride up to 100 miles. Next ride just added: ABATE's poker run on August 2nd. >BULLETIN BOARD (Updated 7/15/98) Please remember to mention how long to run your ads when submitting them (unless ad is for an event) Ride Announcement by the Appalachian Motorcycle Club: The Appalachian Motorcycle Club (from Leesburg VA) is putting together "The Great Virginia Covered Bridge Ride". We will be leaving from the Virginia Kitchen resturant on Catoctin Cir in Leesburg at 8am on Saturday, July 18th. =20 We will be riding to the covered bridges in Virginia (a total of 8). It will be a 2 day trip with us finding a place to stay somewhere around Blacksburg VA. There is no cost or fee to ride with us, it is just an excuse to ride. The weather looks like possible isolated thunderstorms on Saturday and clear on Sunday. Highs around 92-95 on both days with the humidity around the 80-85% range. If you have any questions please contact Keith at 779-9366 or =461redude@XXXXXX. To get an idea of where we are going, visit the website: http://www.vdot.state.va.us/info/covbridge.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Manassas Honda Rider's Club: Meetings held first Tuesday of each month at 7:30pm. You'll find them at the Old Country Buffet in Manassas. All motorcyclists can join. =20 Their next poker run is August 8th at Manassas Honda. Registration is 9am to 11am and costs just $5.00. All bikes welcome. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 1996 Kawasaki Vulcan Classic, Red and Pearl White, 800cc, 3700 miles, all accessories included, impeccable condition, $5300. Call Ross - home 301-681-8145, and work - 202-514-4693 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =46or Sale: 1997 Yamaha Royal Star. 7200 miles. Immaculate. Upgrades. Asking $10,500 obo. Steve (703) 823-9036 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 1985 Magna VF700C for sale. It is red, windshield, saddlebags, new tires and battery in 1997. 11,500 miles. $2500.00 OBO. Please contact BabcockB@XXXXXX or 703-368-4994 if interested. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The Virago Owners Club of Fairfax, along with Women on Wheels of Woodbridge, will host the Blood Drive. Date: Sunday, August 23rd. Location: Van Dyke Park, next to the Fairfax City Police Department, 3730 Old Lee Hwy. Time: 9:00 a.m. ( STAGING ) leaving at 10:00 A.M. ( SHARP ) with Police escort. WMZQ 98.7 will broadcast the event. Virginia/Potomac News will advertise the event. =46ood and beverages will be provided by INOVA Blood Donor Services. If you are unable to give blood, donations will be accepted. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 1995 Goldwing SE 20th Anniversary, Two tone Green, 8,300 miles and in beautiful like new condition. Many extras including, right & Left passenger controls, ( including twelve volt outlet ) Luggage carrier with matching bag, Drivers backrest, Markland highway boards, right & Left dash pouches with matching tank bag with map holder, scuff pads, all reflectors turned into running lights, front mud flap, shark gills & chrome air intake inserts, chrome radiator cover, chrome lower cowing, lined sadddle bags & trunk, Golden Spectro oil & two remaining Honda filters, wingleader handgrips, headlight protector. This bike comes standard with CB radio, AM FMCassette ( never used ), cruise control and 20th Anniversary carry bags ( Three ), cornering lights and the $52.00 professional shop manual. This is a beautiful motorcycle I just don't ride anymore and I hate to see it just sit in the garage. There is also a new battery! Price $ 12,500. CAll Ken at 301-464-5710 (9/7) >LETTER FROM A FELLOW NOVA MGR RIDER To All: After 20+ years of motorcycling I was involved in my first motorcycle accident. First the good news, I'm home resting (semi) comfortably. Now the bad, I have a fractured right clavicle (shoulder) and right scapula (bone in the back) plus a badly sprained ankle not to mention lots of skin abrasions (road rash) on my right shoulder, both elbows and both knees. I'm very fortunate to have only received these injuries considering the type of accident. Here are the facts about the accident. I was on my way to work Thursday morning July 2nd riding my Honda Goldwing. I was traveling my favorite back road R772 Ashburn Rd. from Ashburn (home) to Chantilly (office) at a speed of approximately 60-mph. This particular road is a wooded two-lane country road with no painted lines on it. I came out of a sweeping right hand turn and was accelerating when a deer decided that it needed to cross the road. The deer jumped from the woods to my right and I can't tell you if it hit the ground or my front end first. I remember looking directly into the left eye of the deer that was staring back at me, I think we both said oh sh__. After impact the bike lurched hard to the left then violently back to the right. At this point I went airborne, unfortunately I didn't clear the bike cleanly. From the look of the bike it appears I hit the left side mirror with my right shoulder on the dismount. I believe this is what broke my clavicle. The next thing to hit was the top of my head on the road (thank God for helmets). Then I proceeded to bounce and roll finally coming to a stop on all fours on the edge of the road. I remember very clearly not being able to breathe, so I rolled over on my back. All I could think at this point this was just my luck I survived the accident only to suffocate on the side of the road. I never lost consciousness during the entire ordeal, which is a good thing so you can tell rescue workers where it hurts but a bad thing because your brain starts acting very strange. It's funny what was going through my mind at this point. My first thought was that I wasn't going to be found for awhile since this is a low traffic road. Then my second thought was that since I was laying on the edge of the road that somebody was going to run me over. Less than a minute went by before somebody stopped and was kneeling beside me. He told me over and over again that I was going to be ok and that I didn't look that bad. Then I saw a lady on a portable cell phone trying to describe my condition to 911. She looked at my face and her eyes got as big as silver dollars she quickly turned around and walked out of view. It was that moment that I realized how my face must have looked and that the guy had been lying to me. Only a few minutes passed before you could hear the sirens from the rescue vehicles. The rescue workers started assessing my injuries and seemed surprised at how lucid I was. They quickly prepared me for transport put me in the ambulance for a short trip to meet the Medstar helicopter. They flew me to Fairfax trauma center at Fairfax Hospital. Once inside the trauma unit the workers started doing their thing. After lots of x-rays, seven stitches (five under my left eye and two under my right) and several bottles of antibiotic cleaning solution they finally admitted me for overnight observation. I was released the next afternoon and now I'm home. =20 I'll keep you posted on my progress; all things considered I don't feel that bad right now. George The Deer Hunter >IF YOU ARE NEW TO NOVA MGR Welcome to those of you who recently joined our mailing list of ride notifications. I'm sure you will enjoy the activities we have planned throughout the year. We have approximately four hundred email addresses on the group's invitation list. We are not a club and we don't collect dues. We do ride with clubs sometimes and they may have a small fee for their events, but I will always inform you in advance of what your expenses may be on our rides if anything other than fuel. >ABOUT NOVA MGR All rides take place regardless of temperature, but if it is raining at the scheduled start of the ride then it will be canceled. We are not a "sport bike club" nor are we a "touring group", but the pace of the group is usually dictated by who shows up for a given ride. If we have wide variety of bikes for the ride, we may break into two or more groups with the faster riders leaving first. If the pace of a particular ride is too slow for you, feel free to go on ahead and wait for us at the next stop. If the pace of the group is too fast, we usually stop or slow before any major changes in direction to allow for the rear to catch up. Whatever the case may be, please don=92t try to keep up with a particularly fast rider if you are not comfortable with that pace. We won=92t leave you behind to get lost. All riders should feel welcome to attend any of our rides. The point of these group rides is to have stress-free day trips with others who aren=92t committed to anything but enjoying their motorcycles. Hopefully, we will not have any politics or bias on the rides. Just come to ride and have fun. Please feel free to forward this email on to anyone who might want these announcements. Such persons don=92t even need email if you want to print it out for them. If you have received this email from someone else and you want to be on the direct list yourself, send an email to Novamgr@XXXXXX. >FOR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT NOVA MGR Check out the web site at http://members.aol.com/AWheat/nova_mgr.html for more information on the group rides. You'll find a calendar of upcoming rides as well as links to other motorcycle sites. =20 >HOW TO STOP RECEIVING OUR ANNOUNCEMENTS If you prefer not to receive future announcements and invitations, please send a message to Novamgr@XXXXXX. >THAT=92S ALL FOR NOW I hope to see you on one of the upcoming rides. Thanks, Alan R. Wheat Send email to: Novamgr@XXXXXX Group rides web site: http://members.aol.com/AWheat/nova_mgr.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 00:05:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11660; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA02237 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA10352 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id AAA23054 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35ADA6C7.290E@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:07:51 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? -Reply Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" > Yuck. No monuments, please. I love the one that's already been > designed. Does everyone else not like it? Sorry, if I'm late with this post (D-mode here) but I have to answer affirmatively here Jeannette. I don't like it. Back to the drawing board Leonardo... ;^P JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 00:09:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA11851; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA02577 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA10414 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id AAA23148; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35ADA7DB.5613@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:12:27 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Cornering School Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glenn wrote: > I knew you were just having fun. Hopefully I can get into that cornering > school with Tom G. and Kirk in September. :-) This is the second mention I've noted here Glenn. Can any of y'all post some more info about this gig? TIA, JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 01:06:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA12486; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA03189 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA11130 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA13262; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:04:52 -0400 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:04:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Carver, John" cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Downloading DC cycles Archive??!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Carver, John wrote: > I downloaded a file from the Archive list, but all I can see is a > bunch of garbage. Yup, looks like you found the right URL. 8^) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 01:09:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA12517; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA03215 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA11154 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:09:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA13521; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:08:22 -0400 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:08:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" cc: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Clutch issues.. In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421C0E18@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > > My question is what the F am I doing wrong? The ONLY thing I didn't do > was oil each plate (both friction plates and steels) like my service > manul says. Could that possibly be the root of my problem? Yes. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 01:33:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA12614; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA03357 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA11379 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.54]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:30:07 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Dave Weaver" , Subject: RE: DC Cycles logo - WAS: dc-cycles as a club? Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:31:11 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdb07a$f146f560$3680e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <01bdb061$8a6f2ce0$121537a6@daveweaver> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > I went ahead and submitted another logo on the page (Entry #4). It's a > sketched yellow GSXR riding past a skewed Washington Monument. I'll be > playing around with more ideas soon. I like where you are going with this one. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 06:33:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA14384; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 06:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA06108 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 06:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA14096 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 06:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <30T2PDXS>; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 06:31:14 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C404886467@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Bruce Norton'" , Craig , DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Sat. ride Attendees Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 06:30:54 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Yes!!! I sent this to Colin yesterday. Have him take the old line to Hi Performance Hardware at 5912 N. Washington Blvd in Arlington. Phone is (703) 534-1626. As I told Colin the guy has a real chip on his shoulders but makes good SS lines for a fraction of what an OEM line cost. I have done both my front brake and the clutch and I am real happy with them. No more stinking rubber lines that expand under pressure! The only thing you might want to do is grab a big piece of clear or whatever color heat shrink and take it with you before he puts the ends on. You can get this right down the road at Arlington Electronics. good luck Glenn Dysart > Tom T. might be able to go provided we can find a rear brake hose for a > '94 > CBR600F2. Original hose is cut & leaking. (long story, please don't ask) > Any > ideas for SS Brake lines in a hurry? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 06:44:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA14414; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 06:44:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA06147 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 06:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA14149 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 06:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <30T2PD5K>; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 06:42:12 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C404886469@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'John C. Kozyn'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Cornering School Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 06:41:49 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) John, I didn't really know about it either until I started quizzing Tom and Kirk about it. Anyhow, go check out this site: http://www.superbikeschool.com Tom, Kirk and I are all on a waiting list for a spot to open up. Hopefully we can get in. If we get in we will be at the one in Watkins Glen on the 28th of September. Glenn > This is the second mention I've noted here Glenn. Can any of y'all post > some more info about this gig? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 07:00:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA14493; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06262 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA14247 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <30T2PD04>; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 06:58:21 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C40488646B@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Roy D. Turner'" , Craig , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sat ride Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 06:58:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Quit you're crying. Get your butt out of bed and be there. :-) Jump on the FFX county pkwy and you should be there in no time. Glenn Dysart > I would like to ride also, but 8:00 in Leesburg is awfully early!!! It > takes me about an our to get there from Lorton. Roy D. Turner, Esq. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 07:05:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA14563; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06293 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA14302 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA00921 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 04:05:07 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 04:05:07 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC-Cycles Subject: JOTD Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 04:06:19 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Just to get the day off toa good start... What do you get when you cross Lee Iacocca with a Vampire? Autoexec Bat Michael Jordan Facilities Engineer Visa International (703) 287-8427 mike@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 08:01:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14909; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07095 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seismo.CSS.GOV (known seismo.CSS.GOV [140.162.1.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA14767 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydeco.CSS.GOV (zydeco.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.172]) by seismo.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA04987 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wharfrat..css.gov (wharfrat.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.205]) by zydeco.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA03663 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807161159.HAA03663@zydeco.CSS.GOV> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:55:53 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: AMA Bike To Work Day In-Reply-To: <199807152128.RAA01014@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> References: <19980715150842.14305.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Zbig writes: > > >me too ! > >_zjt > Which bike was that Zbig... the ovloV or the Jeep? :-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 08:24:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15034; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07236 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15009 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:23:31 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WSHBa07259 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:21:11 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: DC Cycles logo Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 I vote for the first logo if the bike is changed to a generic (so we can all stop arguing over the type of bike!!) or the second. Both look good, but the first would have to be changed as noted above for my vote. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 85 Nighthawk 450 (generic, and still for sale) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 08:26:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15050; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07246 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15031 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:25:28 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WMIAa17153 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:24:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3877b303.35adf106@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:24:37 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Scary driving out there Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Just heard a bit of this on the radio. Apparently some guys riding around in a SUV were shooting randomly at other vehicles last nite! No reports of anyone injured, but a very scary thought. Good thing they didn't see any bikers! Robert "Where can you get a Flak Vest made of Kevlar?" VanSlyke From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 08:39:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15100; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07364 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15212 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:38:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807161238.IAA15212@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A28056604DC; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:30:56 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:01:40 -0400 To: "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Missed it all.. In-Reply-To: <000701bdb039$ce545660$2e80e2cf@ghowell> References: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421C0E20@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:44 PM 7/15/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >> I missed all the comments on the new BMW.. but, DAMN.. that thing's >> beautiful.. a bit porky, but I think I could forgive the weight if it >> felt right... > >A bit porky? C'mon, we all know 'lightweight' and 'BMW' are mutually >exclusive:) Generally, I think "BMW" and "lightweight" go together quite well - perhaps it's the particular bikes I'm thinking of - the K100's are at least 100 lb. lighter than their sport-touring competition such as the Honda ST1100 and the Kawasaki Concours. The K100's are hundreds of pounds lighter than their touring competition (Honda Goldwing), though those bikes and target buyers are enough different that that might not be considered a fair comparison. Or are you guys talking about the new R oilhead bikes? I haven't paid much detailed attention to them yet - It'll be a few more years before the used bikes get down into my price range. However, I sure would be interested in a bike with the Paralever rear suspension and Telelever front suspension - I'm not sure I want to test ride one until I can afford one, I think it's that good. Chris Norloff >It's a nice looking bike. Morton's had deposits on some a few >weeks ago. The only problem with that is it will be forever until I can test >ride one. But, given that the R11RS is too sporty for me, I think the R11S >will be overkill. Now, the K11RS... That's on the boarder line. But it's not >a sport bike. More like a bullet train. > >---------------------------------------- >-George Howell >ghowell@XXXXXX >georgehowell@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 08:48:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15152; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:48:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07560 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo30.mx.aol.com (known imo30.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.74]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15349 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:48:32 -0400 (EDT) From: CBR600twt@XXXXXX Received: from CBR600twt@XXXXXX by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id BGYCa26167; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:47:51 EDT To: Dysart@XXXXXX, bnorton@XXXXXX, peggrinder@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sat. ride Attendees Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Glenn, thanks for the info!! With Bruce N's help, hopefully I will be able to get my bike back from the dead. Need F & R brakes and tires in addition to the rear brake line. 207's were ordered Monday that will hopefully be in by tomorrow. All elements need to fall into place perfectly to be able to send sparks this weekend. Fingers crossed! Thanks again! Tom T CBR600 (fluid dropping, high-side, sphincter winking, thigh brusing, rodeo mount) West Side Gang From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 08:56:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15207; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07605 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15467 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p20dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.52]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA23269; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:55:58 -0400 Message-ID: <017a01bdb0b9$148c0180$22f31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:55:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Anybody remember this? [link to graphic pic of dead cyclist] >I used to ride like my hair was on >fire, but now since I have a new life to look forward to and a family to >start I will not be endangering myself or anyone else unnecessarily by >riding irresponsibly. And if you think that I'm wrong here put yourself in >the shoes of a loved one that would have to come and identify YOUR body at >the morgue. Let's use our brains folks. Gonna be a tough race to win if you're not gonna ride with your hair on fire. -----Original Message----- From: Thomas W.Zell To: 'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN' ; ; 'DC Cycles' Date: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 3:01 PM Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. >Best I've seen on the dyno for the VFR800 has been right at 98 BHP and sure >I'd love to spank a new VFR... mine stock was right at 90 BHP and it ain't >stock no more... plus mine weighs in probably around 430lbs thanks to a >serious diet. I think the VFR800 still weighs close to 500lbs ... so.... >bring it on! > >-Tom > >-----Original Message----- >From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 2:47 PM >To: 'zellto@XXXXXX'; 'DC Cycles' >Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. > >Slow??? I don't think you'd want to race Bruce's VFR800. Its putting well >over 100 HP at the rear wheels. > >Glenn > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Thomas W.Zell [SMTP:zellto@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 2:41 PM >> To: DC-Cycles Mailing List >> Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. >> >> For you folks who are not in the know... the '86-88 VFR's were indeed >> CUTTING EDGE sportbikes when they were built.... sporty enough to best >> them >> all in taking the '86-'89(I believe) Superbike Championship. >> >> The new ones though are more geared towards touring... slow, portly, >> over-sized, over-weight.... did I mention slow? >> >> Later, >> Tom >> '86 VFR750R From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 09:01:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15258; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:01:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07698 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15560 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ywnfL-0004aS-00; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:01:43 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:00:16 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8254FF@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'George Howell'" , Craig , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Joke of the day Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:57:48 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You GO, boy! ; ) > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 5:51 PM > To: Craig; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Joke of the day >=20 >=20 > > >>story: If you=92re hung like a horse, you don=92t need a BMW to = pick > up > > >>chicks >=20 > Then there's us lucky sots who have both those attributes;) >=20 > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 09:03:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15312; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07712 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15599 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.41] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA01549; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:03:50 -0400 Message-ID: <005e01bdb0b9$d105d2a0$2973c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" , "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" Subject: Brake Line Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:01:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Thanks Glenn, will do! What kind of brake pads do you use? We're thinking OEM would probably be best, easiest to get. Bruce >Yes!!! I sent this to Colin yesterday. Have him take the old line to Hi >Performance Hardware at 5912 N. Washington Blvd in Arlington. Phone is >(703) 534-1626 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 09:04:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15486; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07721 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15864 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:04:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ywniF-00058F-00; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:04:43 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:03:17 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D825500@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'jterry@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: ride to work day Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:00:49 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain It is weird, isn't it? I've almost seen as few as when I was riding in January...well, almost. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Terry [SMTP:jterry@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 1998 12:52 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: ride to work day > > I usually see motorcyles everywhere on nice days today I did not see > another motorcycle all day. What happened? > > Perplexed, > Jim From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 09:08:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15888; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07797 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.24]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16557 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) id <3X3ZANB8>; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:11:10 -0400 Message-ID: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC4D@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Missed it all.. Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:12:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) Content-Type: text/plain > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 1998 8:02 AM > To: 'dc' > Subject: RE: Missed it all.. > > > Or are you guys talking about the new R oilhead bikes? I haven't paid > much > detailed attention to them yet - It'll be a few more years before the > used > bikes get down into my price range. However, I sure would be interested > in > a bike with the Paralever rear suspension and Telelever front suspension - > I'm not sure I want to test ride one until I can afford one, I think it's > that good. > > Chris Norloff > [Mersch, Tom] Chris, If you want, let me know when you are going on a CAMS or dc-cycles ride, and I'll try to attend and let you test drive my K1200RS. It is a SPORTouring bike but you don't lean over nearly as much as required by a crotch rocket, and it gives you an excellent demonstration of the "Lever brothers" suspension. Um, uh, it will also do almost 70mph in first gear. The only time it is even slightly less than a magnificent animal, is when I try to get its 630lb-wet bulk through the twisties at west-side-double-yellow-gang speeds. Tom M. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 09:09:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15934; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:09:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07806 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16660 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA08916 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:08:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Brake Line In-Reply-To: <005e01bdb0b9$d105d2a0$2973c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Bruce Norton wrote: > What kind of brake pads do you use? We're thinking OEM would probably be > best, easiest to get. I understand that the HH model pads (from EBC?) are supposed to be really good. RRW picked them as the best... Any shop that says they support racing ought to stock them for a CBR600F*. I haven't tried these out myself but have been using the EBC Black pads and going through them like they were water. I use them simply because they're usually in stock... They don't grab and have a nice progressive feel to them. They also don't cause excessive rotor wear. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 09:15:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16283; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08035 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16993 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <30T2PG86>; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:13:21 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C404886477@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Bruce Norton'" , DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Brake Line Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:12:54 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) I'm sure OEM are fine. I'll probably start using those next but for right now I have EBC in the front, original OEM in the rear. Glenn Dysart > Thanks Glenn, will do! > > What kind of brake pads do you use? We're thinking OEM would probably be > best, easiest to get. > > Bruce > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 09:16:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16290; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08056 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17011 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p20dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.52]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA24113; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:16:06 -0400 Message-ID: <01a801bdb0bb$e52dd140$22f31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Bruce Norton" , "DC-Cycles" , "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" Subject: Re: Brake Line Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:16:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 I'd recommend EBC Sintered Metallic pads. Excellent stopping power, especially when hot, and no noticeable wear on the rotors. -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Norton To: DC-Cycles ; Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 9:09 AM Subject: Brake Line >Thanks Glenn, will do! > >What kind of brake pads do you use? We're thinking OEM would probably be >best, easiest to get. > >Bruce > > >>Yes!!! I sent this to Colin yesterday. Have him take the old line to Hi >>Performance Hardware at 5912 N. Washington Blvd in Arlington. Phone is >>(703) 534-1626 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 09:16:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16296; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08062 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17015 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA09058 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:16:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:16:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: ride to work day In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D825500@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My informal sampling yesterday (combined with my extensive statistics background) concluded that 75% of all bikes on the road are GoldWings from one vintage or another (saw 2 modern ones and 1 with a Vetter on it). The next 25% of bikes are Hawk GTs (my bike). This seems to confirm what a lot of my riding brings out (maybe I just go to too many Hawk rides...). On Saturday, I even saw a GoldWing that was towing a trailer, which was pulling another trailer. Yes, a double trailer GoldWing. Obviously, word of the AMA's ride to work day didn't reach enough of the non-commuting folks. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 09:19:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16326; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08136 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17194 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.53]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:16:17 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Chris Norloff" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Missed it all.. Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:17:21 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdb0bc$109ff2e0$3580e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199807161238.IAA15212@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > Generally, I think "BMW" and "lightweight" go together quite well > - perhaps > it's the particular bikes I'm thinking of - the K100's are at > least 100 lb. > lighter than their sport-touring competition such as the Honda ST1100 and > the Kawasaki Concours. The K100's are hundreds of pounds lighter than > their touring competition (Honda Goldwing), though those bikes and target > buyers are enough different that that might not be considered a fair > comparison. Wait until the new K12LT comes out. Then you can compare weight to the Wings. Or compare the current RRS or KRS to the Duc. ST2. BMW's are porkers compared that way. > Or are you guys talking about the new R oilhead bikes? I haven't > paid much > detailed attention to them yet - It'll be a few more years > before the used > bikes get down into my price range. Don't know what your price range is, but there might be a used R850R at Morton's tomorrow for about $6000. > However, I sure would be > interested in > a bike with the Paralever rear suspension and Telelever front suspension - > I'm not sure I want to test ride one until I can afford one, I think it's > that good. Given how few bikes one can test ride (unless you hit a big rally) I'd have to say that yes, they are that good. Very little shaft drive effect once you have the rear dialed in (leave the damping too soft, and it does ugly things). As for the tele front... Wonderful piece of engineering. It's one of the big reasons I got the bike. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 09:26:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16545; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08303 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17362 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA09258 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:26:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Missed it all.. In-Reply-To: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC4D@RBMAIL103> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Mersch, Tom wrote: > If you want, let me know when you are going on a CAMS or dc-cycles > ride, and I'll try to attend and let you test drive my K1200RS. > Um, uh, it will also do almost 70mph in first gear. That's because it's necessary to go at least 70 mph to be comfortable on it. While I don't ride race reps so I can't speak to the discomfort available there I can say that the K1200RS gave me the most pain I've ever felt between my shoulder blades. This was at sub-70mph speeds... It's meant for the Autobahn, not the DC area... > The only time it is even slightly less than a magnificent animal, is when I > try to get its 630lb-wet bulk through the twisties at west-side- > double-yellow-gang speeds. Yes, a 400 lb wet weight is highly preferred for that, IMHO. Speaking of the west-side-double-yellow-gang - I think it's interesting that the dc-cycles list has turned from a mostly on-line community to a significant real life community. It wasn't so for the first 3 years that I was on the list. I wonder if CAMS would've spun off of dc-cycles if we were as active in actually riding together back then... Now, I don't have to wonder just how geeky some of the listers are, I simply know (and yes, my personal geekiness can be witnessed in all its splendor). Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 09:37:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16720; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08433 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:36:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17581 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA19530 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:29:20 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:34:11 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:36:43 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: bnorton@XXXXXX, peggrinder@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sat. ride Attendees -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline You can get overnight from Dennis Kirk 800-328-9280. They carry Goodridge and Russell. If you order a hose "length" make sure you get the banjos too. Joe '85 Ninja 900 >>> "Bruce Norton" - 7/15/98 7:15 PM >>> Tom T. might be able to go provided we can find a rear brake hose for a '94 CBR600F2. Original hose is cut & leaking. (long story, please don't ask) Any ideas for SS Brake lines in a hurry? Thanks, Bruce > Well here is a updated list of participants for Saturday : > > So far...John K. > Jon S. > Bruce N. > Brian M. > Glenn D. > Craig J. > Alex M. > Kirk R. > Sean P. > Tom G. (maybe) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 09:39:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16772; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08447 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17665 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p20dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.52]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA25037; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:39:02 -0400 Message-ID: <01d801bdb0bf$18c75280$22f31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: Missed it all.. Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:39:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 9:32 AM Subject: RE: Missed it all.. >On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Mersch, Tom wrote: >> The only time it is even slightly less than a magnificent animal, is when I >> try to get its 630lb-wet bulk through the twisties at west-side- >> double-yellow-gang speeds. > >Yes, a 400 lb wet weight is highly preferred for that, IMHO. > >Speaking of the west-side-double-yellow-gang - Aren't you missing a word here? Go ahead, John K., fill him in. >I think it's interesting >that the dc-cycles list has turned from a mostly on-line community to a >significant real life community. It wasn't so for the first 3 years that I >was on the list. I wonder if CAMS would've spun off of dc-cycles if we >were as active in actually riding together back then... Now, I don't have >to wonder just how geeky some of the listers are, I simply know (and yes, >my personal geekiness can be witnessed in all its splendor). > >Kirk You're not _that_ much of a geek, Kirk... ;-D From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 09:49:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17032; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08569 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18017 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA19643 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:41:20 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:46:16 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:48:41 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Cycles logo - WAS: dc-cycles as a club? -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline My thinking too. I GUARANTEE that there will be no consensus on what that bike should be. (Hey--I want my Sprint 350 in there! ;- ) Joe >>> - 7/15/98 9:57 PM >>> I'm going to do a logo that doesn't feature an ENTIRE bike, rather a piece of it so it could be any bike ..... it'll be done early next week..... Marcy In a message dated 98-07-15 07:53:37 EDT, you write: << Hey George.. how about a majority vote? I think the VFR riders are at least as many as the CBR people... and the strange ones who ride things like BMWs and Buells are just going to have the enjoy the exclusivity they paid for.... :P >> In a message dated 98-07-15 07:53:37 EDT, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: << Hey George.. how about a majority vote? I think the VFR riders are at least as many as the CBR people... and the strange ones who ride things like BMWs and Buells are just going to have the enjoy the exclusivity they paid for.... :P >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 09:56:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17086; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08641 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18207 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) id <3XK1QFLR>; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:55:51 -0400 Message-ID: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC4E@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Missed it all.. Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:00:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) Content-Type: text/plain Pain between the shoulder blades? On a K12? Hmmm, I think I've been riding a ZX-6R too long. After getting used to the Ninja, and having a set of 2" extenders on the BMW, I don't get pain between my shoulder blades on the K12. So I guess it has been partially me adapting to the ergos, and partially adapting the ergos to me. You're right about the bike's character (Autobahn great, twisties not so). I've still not had mine over 130mph, but it was like riding on a vibration-free rail at that speed. Meantime, it is tough to get it started / transitioned in twisties, but once in it holds the line like that 130mph rail. > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 1998 9:26 AM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: RE: Missed it all.. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 09:56:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17090; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:56:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08651 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18211 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A67A30638; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:56:10 EDT Message-Id: X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:50:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: DC Cycles logo In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:21 AM 7/16/98 -0400, NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: >I vote for the first logo if the bike is changed to a generic (so we can all >stop arguing over the type of bike!!) or the second. How about using an artistic rendering of a rider and bike, like the BMW symbol/logo? (Like the blue "BMW Motorcycles" logo on this page- http://www.webparts.com/ Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 09:56:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17095; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08654 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:56:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18215 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A67B30638; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:56:11 EDT Message-Id: X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:53:22 -0400 To: "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Missed it all.. In-Reply-To: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC4D@RBMAIL103> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > If you want, let me know when you are going on a CAMS or dc-cycles >ride, and I'll try to attend and let you test drive my K1200RS. It is a >SPORTouring bike but you don't lean over nearly as much as required by a >crotch rocket, and it gives you an excellent demonstration of the "Lever >brothers" suspension. Um, uh, it will also do almost 70mph in first gear. >The only time it is even slightly less than a magnificent animal, is when I >try to get its 630lb-wet bulk through the twisties at >west-side-double-yellow-gang speeds. > > Tom M. Thanks for the offer - I bet it'll make it hard getting back on my '82 Honda! 630-lb. does sound like a lot of weight, particularly for a bike with SPORT in all caps :-) thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 09:56:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA17094; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08656 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:56:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18219 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:56:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A67830638; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:56:11 EDT Message-Id: X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:58:16 -0400 To: "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Missed it all.. In-Reply-To: <000001bdb0bc$109ff2e0$3580e2cf@ghowell> References: <199807161238.IAA15212@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:17 AM 7/16/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >Wait until the new K12LT comes out. Then you can compare weight to the >Wings. Uh oh. >Or compare the current RRS or KRS to the Duc. ST2. BMW's are porkers >compared that way. I think those bikes are different enough to make a pure weight comparison not very good. To me, a Ducati is a pure sport bike, that would be used as transportation only by a real aficianado. A BMW to me is more sport-touring, where longevity is more important. Like the old joke about a BMW/GoldWing/Whatever is sitting at a light when a sport bike pulls up. "Wanta race?" the sport bike rider says. "Sure thing" says the other rider, "first one to Miami wins!" Chris Norlof From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 10:05:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17198; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08897 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18421 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA04390; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:04:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980716140454.FUBO8978@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:04:54 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: "'jterry@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Was: ride to work day X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980716140454.FUBO8978@[166.41.242.141]> Jeannette (O'Brien?) wrote: >It is weird, isn't it? I've almost seen as few as when I was riding in >January...well, almost. That's because it's now hot and muggy outside. They should have this ride to work day in the spring or fall when all the 'real' motorcyclists come out ;) Better make that spring for sure so the number of as yet crashed bikes is lower and we, a united brotherhood of motorcyclists, may be better represented on our ride-to-work-day..... btw....of course I rode in. Everyday I look at that traffic on I95 and remember when HOV lanes were restricted to bikes. No WAY do I want to sit my cage for an hour to get to WORK, when I can ride! Arrhgg! Todd (the Angry Biker) Ride-to-work : Ride-everywhere! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 10:06:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17204; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09085 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18451 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA10120 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:06:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Missed it all.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Chris Norloff wrote: > >Or compare the current RRS or KRS to the Duc. ST2. BMW's are porkers > >compared that way. > > I think those bikes are different enough to make a pure weight comparison > not very good. To me, a Ducati is a pure sport bike, that would be used as > transportation only by a real aficianado. A BMW to me is more > sport-touring, where longevity is more important. But that is Ducati's entry into the sport touring market (hence the ST) and it's considered pretty good at what it targets (the VFRs). My personal definition of sport-touring includes my little Hawk GT and trips like we'll be doing in August. Outside of the greater fuel capacity there isn't anything in a 'real' touring or sport-touring bike that I miss. > Like the old joke about a BMW/GoldWing/Whatever is sitting at a light when > a sport bike pulls up. > "Wanta race?" the sport bike rider says. > "Sure thing" says the other rider, "first one to Miami wins!" While I get the joke it doesn't take into account the guys who tour on bikes that aren't designated as touring bikes. Leon's an example. Linda and Sean just did a multi week tour on CBR600s. The list is long... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 10:10:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17276; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09209 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.24]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18604 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) id <3X3ZANKR>; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:13:19 -0400 Message-ID: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC4F@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Missed it all.. Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:14:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) Content-Type: text/plain > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas H. Gimer [SMTP:tgimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 1998 9:39 AM > To: Kirk Roy; DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Re: Missed it all.. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 9:32 AM > Subject: RE: Missed it all.. > > > >On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Mersch, Tom wrote: > >> The only time it is even slightly less than a magnificent animal, is > when > I > >> try to get its 630lb-wet bulk through the twisties at west-side- > >> double-yellow-gang speeds. > > > >Yes, a 400 lb wet weight is highly preferred for that, IMHO. > > > >Speaking of the west-side-double-yellow-gang - > > Aren't you missing a word here? Go ahead, John K., fill him in. [Mersch, Tom] Yeah, I know -- it's mofo > >I think it's interesting > >that the dc-cycles list has turned from a mostly on-line community to a > >significant real life community. It wasn't so for the first 3 years that > I > >was on the list. I wonder if CAMS would've spun off of dc-cycles if we > >were as active in actually riding together back then... Now, I don't have > >to wonder just how geeky some of the listers are, I simply know (and yes, > >my personal geekiness can be witnessed in all its splendor). > > > >Kirk > > You're not _that_ much of a geek, Kirk... ;-D [Mersch, Tom] Yes he is. Anybody who would disparage the K12's superior cornering abilities (hee, hee) is an outright sideshow attraction. Not that I wouldn't ride with him though :-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 10:15:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17418; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09503 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18777 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:16:35 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:15:58 -0400 From: "SCOTT RUSH" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ironbutt ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline >There=27s a Mt. Washington in Pittsburgh...how=27s that for close? A = race to >Pittsburgh, up to the top of Mt. Washington, back down, and back to DC. >Round trip would probably take 6 hours (at most for you land-pilots) :-) Hi all, I=27m new to the list, Digest Version (getting way to many e-mails from = the EXUP list that I joined to go live with another.) The name=27s Scott = Rush and I live in DC originally 66 miles South of Pittsburgh. I own a = =2791 Yamaha FZR 600. First Bike I=27ve ever owned and just bought it = last year. I had never been on one previously. I=27ve been home on the = bike a few times, doing 80 to 100 most of the way and it takes me about 3 = =BD hours. Six hours would be pushing it unless you plan on doing 100+ = all the way, no stops. You=27re probably looking at more like 7 to 8 = hours to Pittsburgh and back, which is still a good time. Anyway, just thought I=27d intro myself and throw that in. Scott From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 10:23:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17723; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09632 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19157 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA10452; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:23:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: "Mersch, Tom" cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Missed it all.. In-Reply-To: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC4F@RBMAIL103> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Mersch, Tom wrote: > > You're not _that_ much of a geek, Kirk... ;-D > [Mersch, Tom] Yes he is. Anybody who would disparage the K12's > superior cornering abilities (hee, hee) is an outright sideshow attraction. > Not that I wouldn't ride with him though :-) Is that some sort of challenge? Fine, let's throw down! Name the time and place, I'll be there in full riding gear - flip flops, muscle shirt (where did I put those muscles), nylon shorts, Arai RX helmet with custom paint job, Held gloves, and a bikini babe on the back. You'll rue the day you messed with William Kirk Roy! As Willie says, "there's nothing faster than a greased Scotsman!" Considering my penchant for posting lately it should be obvious that the network is screwed at work... What's a geek to do when the network's down? Apologies to those attempting to get work done. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 10:23:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17727; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09630 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:23:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19158 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 265; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:23:00 -0400 Message-ID: <35AE0CCF.68B12115@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:23:12 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Rottier.Amy" CC: "Viteri, Ursulina" , dreamer@XXXXXX, "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: cruisers and curves References: <0da301bdb00d$74e574a0$5c111bc6@dn7ty.hst.lmms.lmco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amy was prattling on and on about here Pacific Coast: :) > > Yes, it's heavier; yes, it's still "standard" seating - but it > handles better in the curves than the Shadow did. Shoot, even the > Gold Wing is better than the Shadow in the curves (no flames, Dale!!! ;). Flames? Me?! :) You think I just *have* to make some snide comment about how funny looking the PC is whenever it's mentioned, don't you? Uh, oops, sorry, did it again! :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 10:24:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17737; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09659 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19189 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:24:01 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id KAA03885 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:23:47 -0400 Message-Id: <199807161423.KAA03885@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:23:47 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:23:47 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:23:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:21:35 -0400 Subject: RE: Joke of the day To: jlobrien@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX, tleatsducks@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8254FF@badge.tuckerflyer.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME damnit damnit damnit!!! I just *hate* it when someone beats me to the punch line!!! oh waitaminnit...I don't own a BMW and I'm not hung like a... ..never mind 8-P -aki > You GO, boy! ; ) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 5:51 PM > > To: Craig; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: Joke of the day > > > > > > > >>story: If youre hung like a horse, you dont need a BMW to pick > > up > > > >>chicks > > > > Then there's us lucky sots who have both those attributes;) > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > -George Howell > > ghowell@XXXXXX > > georgehowell@XXXXXX > > X-Priority: 3 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 10:24:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17747; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09679 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19209 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00332; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <30F6DPWA>; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:25:08 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F28B5@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'SCOTT RUSH'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ironbutt ride Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:25:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Wow, seems like we've been invaded by a lot of fizzer's lately :) Welcome to the list Scott... Collin 97 GSXR750 racebike 89/94/?? EX500 POS eventually put together for a street ride again.. > -----Original Message----- > From: SCOTT RUSH [SMTP:SRUSH@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 1998 10:20 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Ironbutt ride > > I own a '91 Yamaha FZR 600. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 10:32:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18037; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09913 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (known imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19679 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:32:14 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WZOCa29473; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1d855754.35ae0e1a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:28:41 EDT To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Scary driving out there Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 How about a good ol fashion suit of armor? I'm just kiding of course, but it makes me curious what goes thru some people's heads! I mean, since when did randomly shooting at cars become "cool?" I just don't get it!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 10:38:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18127; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10247 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19798 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:38:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA10776; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:38:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: Anita Lauro cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: CAMS [ was Missed it all..] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Anita Lauro wrote: > Is there a separate mailing list for CAMS? I'm interested in doing as > much riding as possible [imagine that!]... checked out their website but > it mostly had info about rides I've already missed? How about PARR? Do > they have other rides besides their publicized Poker Runs? Anita, While I pretended to be interested when CAMS started up I never did go on one of the rides. Lots of others here have and maybe Dr. John is still on the list... There are other things like the list that awheat set-up. I don't subscribe and haven't been on their rides either. PARR? I don't know. I've cc'd the list to get you some real answers. So, guys, where can someone pick up more news on local rides? Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 10:39:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18164; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10269 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19849 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) id <3XK1QGF9>; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:39:05 -0400 Message-ID: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC51@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: FW: Missed it all.. Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:43:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) Content-Type: text/plain > -----Original Message----- > From: Mersch, Tom > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 1998 10:42 AM > To: 'Kirk Roy' > Subject: RE: Missed it all.. > > (Ah, damn it, I'm gonna have to adjust my Depends again) > > As Ben Stein says, I take all challenges seriously. Have at you! I'll > see you and raise you a pair of 70s era "coke bottle" glasses, and an > immaculate set of knee sliders ! > > Rest for now, varlot. > > Tom M. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 1998 10:23 AM > To: Mersch, Tom > Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: RE: Missed it all.. > > On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Mersch, Tom wrote: > > > You're not _that_ much of a geek, Kirk... ;-D > > [Mersch, Tom] Yes he is. Anybody who would disparage the K12's > > superior cornering abilities (hee, hee) is an outright sideshow > attraction. > > Not that I wouldn't ride with him though :-) > > Is that some sort of challenge? Fine, let's throw down! Name the time and > place, I'll be there in full riding gear - flip flops, muscle shirt (where > did I put those muscles), nylon shorts, Arai RX helmet with custom paint > job, Held gloves, and a bikini babe on the back. You'll rue the day you > messed with William Kirk Roy! As Willie says, "there's nothing faster than > a greased Scotsman!" > > Considering my penchant for posting lately it should be obvious that the > network is screwed at work... What's a geek to do when the network's down? > Apologies to those attempting to get work done. > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 10:44:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18247; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10775 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:43:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1b.yahoomail.com (known send1b.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19963 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980716144229.1676.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1b; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:42:29 PDT Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:42:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: RE: Missed it all.. To: Kirk Roy , "Mersch, Tom" Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How about a kilt ?? ;~D ---Kirk Roy wrote: > Is that some sort of challenge? Fine, let's throw down! Name the time and > place, I'll be there in full riding gear "there's nothing faster than > a greased Scotsman!" _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 10:44:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18251; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10825 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:44:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (known imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19971 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:44:18 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WCQEa29473 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:42:03 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: cruisers and curves Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 GoldWing better in turns than a Shadow? Depends on who's riding!! Granted, I've never ridden a 'Wing. It all comes down to one thing, comfort and experience. I guess actually that's 2 things, but they relate closely. An experienced rider can turn just about anything (be it a sporbike or a Harley!) better than an novice rider on a good-turning bike. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 10:47:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18314; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:47:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10951 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1c.yahoomail.com (known send1c.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20085 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980716144852.25639.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1c; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:48:52 PDT Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:48:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: RE: Ironbutt ride To: SRUSH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Nice to hear of ya.... Welcome aboard ~SPEEDY~ ---"Fagan, Collin LTJG" wrote: > > Wow, seems like we've been invaded by a lot of fizzer's lately :) > > Welcome to the list Scott... > > Collin > 97 GSXR750 racebike > 89/94/?? EX500 POS eventually put together for a street ride again.. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: SCOTT RUSH [SMTP:SRUSH@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 1998 10:20 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: Ironbutt ride > > > > I own a '91 Yamaha FZR 600. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 10:47:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18379; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:47:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10976 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20148 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:53:11 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: Kirk Roy , Anita Lauro Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: CAMS [ was Missed it all..] Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:53:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain On Thursday, July 16, 1998 10:39 AM, Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] wrote: > While I pretended to be interested when CAMS started up I never did go on > one of the rides. Lots of others here have and maybe Dr. John is still on > the list... There are other things like the list that awheat set-up. I > don't subscribe and haven't been on their rides either. PARR? I don't > know. I've cc'd the list to get you some real answers. So, guys, where can > someone pick up more news on local rides? I haven't been on a CAMS ride either... but have been on lots (4-5) with Alan Wheat. When I took a look at the CAMS web page a few weeks ago they were talking about a ride joining up with a women's riding group (can't recall which one), starting at NVCC right up the street from my house! Only problem was, I found out about the ride *after* it had already occurred! :-( Anyhow, as far as I'm concerned, the more riding the better! I don't mind riding alone, but I like to "discover" new routes by riding with groups. Anita '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 10:50:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA18576; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:50:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11190 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dclink.com (known dclink.com [207.168.31.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20270 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:50:42 -0400 (EDT) From: jaynik@XXXXXX Received: from MHS by dclink.com with MHS id AKCOCFEC ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:46:42 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:46:36 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Yet another CBR 600 for sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I have a buddy in Waldorf, MD who is selling his 95 F3. It has 6800 miles and it has a full Two Bros system with carbon fiber oval can, plus some other squidly crap. He wants $5200, but is willing to talk. Let me know what's up. The plastic is clean and it's never been down, but I don't have a pic.. it's black and purple and yellow or something. It's clean. Jay to: INT:dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: INT:exup-brotherhood@XXXXXX INT:fzr-400@XXXXXX INT:balt-cycles@XXXXXX **********************************************************/ /* Jaynik */ /* jaynik@XXXXXX */ /* */ /* Sent from Capital City Cyberlink */ /**********************************************************/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 11:01:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18907; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11639 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20722 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss1.mcit.com (omss1-eth.mcit.com [166.37.194.33]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA14847; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980716150011.BXRQ2821@localHost>; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:00:11 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Leon Begeman , "SCOTT RUSH" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ironbutt ride X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980716150011.BXRQ2821@localHost> >>There's a Mt. Washington in Pittsburgh...how's that for close? A race to >>Pittsburgh, up to the top of Mt. Washington, back down, and back to DC. >>Round trip would probably take 6 hours (at most for you land-pilots) :-) > >Hi all, >I'm new to the list... > >Six hours would be pushing it unless you plan on doing 100+ all the way, >no stops. You're probably looking at more like 7 to 8 hours to Pittsburgh >and back, which is still a good time. Hi Scott, Good to have you. Can you tell me where exactly is MT. Washington? I measured the distance to the nw side of Pittsburgh from Arlington and back at about 500miles or 9 hours, or 4.5 hours to get there. This trip sounds like fun. Leon, let me know if you need any assistance planning it, I think I'd like to go. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 11:03:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18934; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:03:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11687 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mac_dell.hst.nasa.gov (known dhcp100_96.hst.nasa.gov [198.118.96.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20780 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 198.118.96.1 by mac_dell.hst.nasa.gov (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT) Received: from dn7ty ([198.27.17.92]) by lmmail.hst.nasa.gov (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 183; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:59:59 -0400 Message-ID: <101601bdb0cb$09b309e0$5c111bc6@dn7ty.hst.lmms.lmco.com> From: "Rottier.Amy" To: , "DC Cycles List" Subject: Re: cruisers and curves Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:04:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >GoldWing better in turns than a Shadow? Depends on who's riding!! Granted, >I've never ridden a 'Wing. It all comes down to one thing, comfort and >experience. I guess actually that's 2 things, but they relate closely. An >experienced rider can turn just about anything (be it a sporbike or a Harley!) >better than an novice rider on a good-turning bike. > That was my point, actually (comfort level and experience). I liked curves better on the Gold Wing than I did on the Shadow. But, when I looked at my brother riding my bike (the Shadow) through those same curves, he did much better. So it goes. Of course, he's the one who took an old Virago up the Dempsey highway (400 miles of dirt and mud) and a Voyager through Central America to Costa Rica and (almost) back... Amy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 11:05:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19002; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11719 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20855 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA03735; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:04:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980716150449.GDWK5751@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:04:49 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: NJitzul@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cruisers and curves X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980716150449.GDWK5751@[166.41.242.141]> Agreed! From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:42:03 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cruisers and curves GoldWing better in turns than a Shadow? Depends on who's riding!! Granted, I've never ridden a 'Wing. It all comes down to one thing, comfort and experience. I guess actually that's 2 things, but they relate closely. An experienced rider can turn just about anything (be it a sporbike or a Harley!) better than an novice rider on a good-turning bike. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 11:09:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19101; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11794 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20940 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:09:14 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id LAA08815 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:09:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199807161509.LAA08815@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:09:04 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:09:04 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:09:04 -0400 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:02:47 -0400 Subject: RE: CAMS [ was Missed it all..] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME Here's the latest NOVA MGR newsletter, it was sent out today btw... how to subscribe is at the bottom.. cheers, -aki NORTHERN VIRGINIA MOTORCYCLE GROUP RIDES (NOVA MGR) Dear fellow motorcycle enthusiasts, >WHATS IN THIS E-MAIL? Here are the different topics you will find in this Email: >Invitation to the NOVA MGR Skyline Ride this Sunday, July 19th >Bulletin Board (Updated 7/15/98) >Letter from a fellow NOVA MGR rider >If you are new to NOVA MGR >About NOVA MGR >For more information about NOVA MGR >How to stop receiving our announcements >INVITATION TO THE NOVA MGR SKYLINE RIDE THIS SUNDAY, JULY 19TH With Sunday's temperature expected to be 90 degrees, you will really enjoy a nice cool ride along Skyline Drive. Don't miss out on one of the most popular NOVA MGR rides of all time. For those of you who have been on this one before, you know how popular they are. Fortunately, we have some volunteers who are willing help lead if we should have a large enough turnout to require several groups. I have also put together maps and route sheets for you to have. Attached to the route sheets being handed out, you will find the updated NOVA MGR Calendar of Events for 1998 through December. LOCATION - Old Country Buffet in Manassas off route 234 (Email NOVAMGR@XXXXXX for directions) TIME - 8:00am to 8:30am for breakfast. Ride starts by 9am. DIRECTIONS - From I-66, take exit 47A (Manassas - route 234/Sudley Road south) and proceed for about one mile. Turn left into Westgate shopping center (look for Giant and Long John Silvers restaurant). DETAILS - Meet for a huge all-you-can-eat breakfast buffet, which will cost about $6.50. If you are not interested in having breakfast with the group, we plan to leave 9am. I highly recommend eating a large breakfast since the official meal stop isn't until after 2pm. The ride heads south to the end of route 28 before heading south past Culpepper on 29. We take some back roads at that point and the first break is in Stanardsville at the Dairy Queen and gas station around 10:30am. You can grab a quick snack or top off your gas tank. Next, we take some nice twisty and very rural back roads for about 40 miles to the southern entrance of Skyline Drive, where we will break again for gas. Total miles traveled at this point in the ride is nearly 100. The entrance fee for Skyline Drive is $5.00 for bikes. They accept cash or credit cards. We will stop at scenic overlooks before the meal break, which is at Big Meadows. We continue on to exit the Drive, after riding 70 miles of it, at the infamous route 211. After 211 straightens back out, we conclude the ride at the Texaco. Then, we make our way back towards Warrenton and split off by route 66 in Gainesville. You should arrive home after 6pm. This is the most highly rated ride in the NOVA MGR collection. I hope to see a lot of you there! For more details, Email NOVAMGR@XXXXXX. Please arrive with enough fuel to ride up to 100 miles. Next ride just added: ABATE's poker run on August 2nd. >BULLETIN BOARD (Updated 7/15/98) Please remember to mention how long to run your ads when submitting them (unless ad is for an event) Ride Announcement by the Appalachian Motorcycle Club: The Appalachian Motorcycle Club (from Leesburg VA) is putting together "The Great Virginia Covered Bridge Ride". We will be leaving from the Virginia Kitchen resturant on Catoctin Cir in Leesburg at 8am on Saturday, July 18th. We will be riding to the covered bridges in Virginia (a total of 8). It will be a 2 day trip with us finding a place to stay somewhere around Blacksburg VA. There is no cost or fee to ride with us, it is just an excuse to ride. The weather looks like possible isolated thunderstorms on Saturday and clear on Sunday. Highs around 92-95 on both days with the humidity around the 80-85% range. If you have any questions please contact Keith at 779-9366 or F1redude@XXXXXX. To get an idea of where we are going, visit the website: http://www.vdot.state.va.us/info/covbridge.html =================================== Manassas Honda Rider's Club: Meetings held first Tuesday of each month at 7:30pm. You'll find them at the Old Country Buffet in Manassas. All motorcyclists can join. Their next poker run is August 8th at Manassas Honda. Registration is 9am to 11am and costs just $5.00. All bikes welcome. =================================== 1996 Kawasaki Vulcan Classic, Red and Pearl White, 800cc, 3700 miles, all accessories included, impeccable condition, $5300. Call Ross - home 301-681-8145, and work - 202-514-4693 =================================== For Sale: 1997 Yamaha Royal Star. 7200 miles. Immaculate. Upgrades. Asking $10,500 obo. Steve (703) 823-9036 =================================== 1985 Magna VF700C for sale. It is red, windshield, saddlebags, new tires and battery in 1997. 11,500 miles. $2500.00 OBO. Please contact BabcockB@XXXXXX or 703-368-4994 if interested. =================================== The Virago Owners Club of Fairfax, along with Women on Wheels of Woodbridge, will host the Blood Drive. Date: Sunday, August 23rd. Location: Van Dyke Park, next to the Fairfax City Police Department, 3730 Old Lee Hwy. Time: 9:00 a.m. ( STAGING ) leaving at 10:00 A.M. ( SHARP ) with Police escort. WMZQ 98.7 will broadcast the event. Virginia/Potomac News will advertise the event. Food and beverages will be provided by INOVA Blood Donor Services. If you are unable to give blood, donations will be accepted. =================================== 1995 Goldwing SE 20th Anniversary, Two tone Green, 8,300 miles and in beautiful like new condition. Many extras including, right & Left passenger controls, ( including twelve volt outlet ) Luggage carrier with matching bag, Drivers backrest, Markland highway boards, right & Left dash pouches with matching tank bag with map holder, scuff pads, all reflectors turned into running lights, front mud flap, shark gills & chrome air intake inserts, chrome radiator cover, chrome lower cowing, lined sadddle bags & trunk, Golden Spectro oil & two remaining Honda filters, wingleader handgrips, headlight protector. This bike comes standard with CB radio, AM FMCassette ( never used ), cruise control and 20th Anniversary carry bags ( Three ), cornering lights and the $52.00 professional shop manual. This is a beautiful motorcycle I just don't ride anymore and I hate to see it just sit in the garage. There is also a new battery! Price $ 12,500. CAll Ken at 301-464-5710 (9/7) >LETTER FROM A FELLOW NOVA MGR RIDER To All: After 20+ years of motorcycling I was involved in my first motorcycle accident. First the good news, I'm home resting (semi) comfortably. Now the bad, I have a fractured right clavicle (shoulder) and right scapula (bone in the back) plus a badly sprained ankle not to mention lots of skin abrasions (road rash) on my right shoulder, both elbows and both knees. I'm very fortunate to have only received these injuries considering the type of accident. Here are the facts about the accident. I was on my way to work Thursday morning July 2nd riding my Honda Goldwing. I was traveling my favorite back road R772 Ashburn Rd. from Ashburn (home) to Chantilly (office) at a speed of approximately 60-mph. This particular road is a wooded two-lane country road with no painted lines on it. I came out of a sweeping right hand turn and was accelerating when a deer decided that it needed to cross the road. The deer jumped from the woods to my right and I can't tell you if it hit the ground or my front end first. I remember looking directly into the left eye of the deer that was staring back at me, I think we both said oh sh__. After impact the bike lurched hard to the left then violently back to the right. At this point I went airborne, unfortunately I didn't clear the bike cleanly. From the look of the bike it appears I hit the left side mirror with my right shoulder on the dismount. I believe this is what broke my clavicle. The next thing to hit was the top of my head on the road (thank God for helmets). Then I proceeded to bounce and roll finally coming to a stop on all fours on the edge of the road. I remember very clearly not being able to breathe, so I rolled over on my back. All I could think at this point this was just my luck I survived the accident only to suffocate on the side of the road. I never lost consciousness during the entire ordeal, which is a good thing so you can tell rescue workers where it hurts but a bad thing because your brain starts acting very strange. It's funny what was going through my mind at this point. My first thought was that I wasn't going to be found for awhile since this is a low traffic road. Then my second thought was that since I was laying on the edge of the road that somebody was going to run me over. Less than a minute went by before somebody stopped and was kneeling beside me. He told me over and over again that I was going to be ok and that I didn't look that bad. Then I saw a lady on a portable cell phone trying to describe my condition to 911. She looked at my face and her eyes got as big as silver dollars she quickly turned around and walked out of view. It was that moment that I realized how my face must have looked and that the guy had been lying to me. Only a few minutes passed before you could hear the sirens from the rescue vehicles. The rescue workers started assessing my injuries and seemed surprised at how lucid I was. They quickly prepared me for transport put me in the ambulance for a short trip to meet the Medstar helicopter. They flew me to Fairfax trauma center at Fairfax Hospital. Once inside the trauma unit the workers started doing their thing. After lots of x-rays, seven stitches (five under my left eye and two under my right) and several bottles of antibiotic cleaning solution they finally admitted me for overnight observation. I was released the next afternoon and now I'm home. I'll keep you posted on my progress; all things considered I don't feel that bad right now. George The Deer Hunter >IF YOU ARE NEW TO NOVA MGR Welcome to those of you who recently joined our mailing list of ride notifications. I'm sure you will enjoy the activities we have planned throughout the year. We have approximately four hundred email addresses on the group's invitation list. We are not a club and we don't collect dues. We do ride with clubs sometimes and they may have a small fee for their events, but I will always inform you in advance of what your expenses may be on our rides if anything other than fuel. >ABOUT NOVA MGR All rides take place regardless of temperature, but if it is raining at the scheduled start of the ride then it will be canceled. We are not a "sport bike club" nor are we a "touring group", but the pace of the group is usually dictated by who shows up for a given ride. If we have wide variety of bikes for the ride, we may break into two or more groups with the faster riders leaving first. If the pace of a particular ride is too slow for you, feel free to go on ahead and wait for us at the next stop. If the pace of the group is too fast, we usually stop or slow before any major changes in direction to allow for the rear to catch up. Whatever the case may be, please dont try to keep up with a particularly fast rider if you are not comfortable with that pace. We wont leave you behind to get lost. All riders should feel welcome to attend any of our rides. The point of these group rides is to have stress-free day trips with others who arent committed to anything but enjoying their motorcycles. Hopefully, we will not have any politics or bias on the rides. Just come to ride and have fun. Please feel free to forward this email on to anyone who might want these announcements. Such persons dont even need email if you want to print it out for them. If you have received this email from someone else and you want to be on the direct list yourself, send an email to Novamgr@XXXXXX. >FOR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT NOVA MGR Check out the web site at http://members.aol.com/AWheat/nova_mgr.html for more information on the group rides. You'll find a calendar of upcoming rides as well as links to other motorcycle sites. >HOW TO STOP RECEIVING OUR ANNOUNCEMENTS If you prefer not to receive future announcements and invitations, please send a message to Novamgr@XXXXXX. >THATS ALL FOR NOW I hope to see you on one of the upcoming rides. Thanks, Alan R. Wheat Send email to: Novamgr@XXXXXX Group rides web site: http://members.aol.com/AWheat/nova_mgr.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 11:09:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19109; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11806 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20948 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ywpf1-0002mc-00; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:09:31 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:07:49 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D825514@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Anita Lauro'" , Kirk Roy Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: CAMS [ was Missed it all..] Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:05:21 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I've been on a CAMS ride and enjoyed it. It's a slower pace than most of the DC Cycles rides I've been on, which is fine for me but may be too slow for others. - Jeannette > I haven't been on a CAMS ride either... but have been on lots (4-5) > with > Alan Wheat. When I took a look at the CAMS web page a few weeks ago > they were talking about a ride joining up with a women's riding group > (can't recall which one), starting at NVCC right up the street from my > house! Only problem was, I found out about the ride *after* it had > already occurred! :-( > > Anyhow, as far as I'm concerned, the more riding the better! I don't > mind riding alone, but I like to "discover" new routes by riding with > groups. > > Anita > '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 11:18:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19350; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12410 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21286 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA11679 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:18:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Reply-To: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Missed it all.. In-Reply-To: <19980716144229.1676.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Craig wrote: > How about a kilt ?? ;~D Hmm, I've seen (unfortunately) pics of folks riding with nothin on but a modern kilt. As Willie says, "tis no more than what God ghaeave me, ya Puritan pukes". Still, I think the heavy tartan used would provide significant protection on thoses parts that remain covered. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 11:18:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19418; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12436 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from red.uspis.gov (known red-internet.uspis.gov [206.205.134.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21375 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by red.uspis.gov; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA13847; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:21:48 -0400 Received: from somewhere by smtpxd Received: from somewhere by smtpxd Message-Id: From: "Clements, Curtis A" To: "'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'" , "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? -Reply Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:19:50 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't fight boys and girls >-----Original Message----- >From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 11:13 AM >To: 'O'Brien, Jeannette'; 'DC Cycles' >Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? -Reply > >I kinda like the second one. > >Glenn > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 10:59 AM >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? -Reply >> >> Ok, I still prefer the first one. >> >> - Jeannette >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] >> > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 10:58 AM >> > To: 'O'Brien, Jeannette' >> > Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? -Reply >> > >> > http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html >> > >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 11:20:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19489; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12514 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:20:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (known camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21434 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (user-38lcmjc.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.90.108]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA30707; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:20:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:19:55 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDB0AB.A9189A60.zellto@mindspring.com> From: "Thomas W.Zell" Reply-To: "zellto@XXXXXX" To: "'Thomas H. Gimer'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:19:54 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't be a jerk... nobody said anything about racing anybody... I was trying to say that my VFR is a powerful bike and worthy of being considered a REAL sportbike... that's how all this started. I went on to say that the newer VFR's are slower than mine(which is a fact) and that I would not have a problem beating a VFR800. Unfortunately, with the exception of a couple of people this has become a big pissing contest... I'm done... you guys can piss all over your own shoes for all I care.... end of subject. -Tom '86 VFR750R -----Original Message----- From: Thomas H. Gimer [SMTP:tgimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 1998 8:56 AM To: zellto@XXXXXX; 'DC Cycles' Subject: Re: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. Anybody remember this? [link to graphic pic of dead cyclist] >I used to ride like my hair was on >fire, but now since I have a new life to look forward to and a family to >start I will not be endangering myself or anyone else unnecessarily by >riding irresponsibly. And if you think that I'm wrong here put yourself in >the shoes of a loved one that would have to come and identify YOUR body at >the morgue. Let's use our brains folks. Gonna be a tough race to win if you're not gonna ride with your hair on fire. -----Original Message----- From: Thomas W.Zell To: 'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN' ; ; 'DC Cycles' Date: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 3:01 PM Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. >Best I've seen on the dyno for the VFR800 has been right at 98 BHP and sure >I'd love to spank a new VFR... mine stock was right at 90 BHP and it ain't >stock no more... plus mine weighs in probably around 430lbs thanks to a >serious diet. I think the VFR800 still weighs close to 500lbs ... so.... >bring it on! > >-Tom > >-----Original Message----- >From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 2:47 PM >To: 'zellto@XXXXXX'; 'DC Cycles' >Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. > >Slow??? I don't think you'd want to race Bruce's VFR800. Its putting well >over 100 HP at the rear wheels. > >Glenn > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Thomas W.Zell [SMTP:zellto@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 2:41 PM >> To: DC-Cycles Mailing List >> Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. >> >> For you folks who are not in the know... the '86-88 VFR's were indeed >> CUTTING EDGE sportbikes when they were built.... sporty enough to best >> them >> all in taking the '86-'89(I believe) Superbike Championship. >> >> The new ones though are more geared towards touring... slow, portly, >> over-sized, over-weight.... did I mention slow? >> >> Later, >> Tom >> '86 VFR750R From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 11:36:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20135; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13166 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from red.uspis.gov (known red-internet.uspis.gov [206.205.134.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22043 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by red.uspis.gov; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA14097; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:39:07 -0400 Received: from somewhere by smtpxd Received: from somewhere by smtpxd Message-Id: From: "Clements, Curtis A" To: "'Thomas H. Gimer'" , "'zellto@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:34:16 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They got you Tom !!! >-----Original Message----- >From: Thomas H. Gimer [SMTP:tgimer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, July 16, 1998 8:56 AM >To: zellto@XXXXXX; 'DC Cycles' >Subject: Re: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. > >Anybody remember this? > >[link to graphic pic of dead cyclist] > >>I used to ride like my hair was on >>fire, but now since I have a new life to look forward to and a family to >>start I will not be endangering myself or anyone else unnecessarily by >>riding irresponsibly. And if you think that I'm wrong here put yourself in >>the shoes of a loved one that would have to come and identify YOUR body at >>the morgue. Let's use our brains folks. > >Gonna be a tough race to win if you're not gonna ride with your hair on >fire. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Thomas W.Zell >To: 'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN' ; >; 'DC Cycles' >Date: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 3:01 PM >Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. > > >>Best I've seen on the dyno for the VFR800 has been right at 98 BHP and sure >>I'd love to spank a new VFR... mine stock was right at 90 BHP and it ain't >>stock no more... plus mine weighs in probably around 430lbs thanks to a >>serious diet. I think the VFR800 still weighs close to 500lbs ... so.... >>bring it on! >> >>-Tom >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] >>Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 2:47 PM >>To: 'zellto@XXXXXX'; 'DC Cycles' >>Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. >> >>Slow??? I don't think you'd want to race Bruce's VFR800. Its putting well >>over 100 HP at the rear wheels. >> >>Glenn >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Thomas W.Zell [SMTP:zellto@XXXXXX] >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 2:41 PM >>> To: DC-Cycles Mailing List >>> Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. >>> >>> For you folks who are not in the know... the '86-88 VFR's were indeed >>> CUTTING EDGE sportbikes when they were built.... sporty enough to best >>> them >>> all in taking the '86-'89(I believe) Superbike Championship. >>> >>> The new ones though are more geared towards touring... slow, portly, >>> over-sized, over-weight.... did I mention slow? >>> >>> Later, >>> Tom >>> '86 VFR750R > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 11:47:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20899; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13376 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22452 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:47:12 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:46:47 -0400 From: "SCOTT RUSH" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Saturday ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I=27m thinking of joining you guys (and gals) for the ride Saturday = morning. Meet some of you face-to-face. How do I get there? I get lost = pulling out of my driveway. Riding apparel preferences: leathers or jeans = and jacket? I=27m new at this so take it easy on me. Later, Scott R. (Scooter (DON=27T Ask)) Yeah, I know. I=27ll start using just Scooter from now on. It=27s easier = to type. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 11:49:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21042; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:49:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13413 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22527 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) id <3XK1QH7N>; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:48:40 -0400 Message-ID: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC52@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Missed it all.. Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:53:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) Content-Type: text/plain > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 1998 11:18 AM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: RE: Missed it all.. > > On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Craig wrote: > > How about a kilt ?? ;~D > > Hmm, I've seen (unfortunately) pics of folks riding with nothin on but a > modern kilt. As Willie says, "tis no more than what God ghaeave me, ya > Puritan pukes". > > Still, I think the heavy tartan used would provide significant protection > on thoses parts that remain covered. > > Kirk > [Mersch, Tom] Especially if augmented by the traditional under-kilt accesory -- socks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 12:01:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21507; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14613 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22953 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:01:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ywqT2-00051n-00; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:01:12 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:59:27 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D825520@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Clements, Curtis A'" , "'Thomas H. Gimer'" , "'zellto@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:56:58 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I don't know about everyone else, but I personally have no desire to race anyone on the street. Give me a couple years under my belt & I may take it to the track, though. : ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Clements, Curtis A [SMTP:CAClements@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 1998 11:34 AM > To: 'Thomas H. Gimer'; 'zellto@XXXXXX'; 'DC Cycles' > Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. > > They got you Tom !!! > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Thomas H. Gimer [SMTP:tgimer@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Thursday, July 16, 1998 8:56 AM > >To: zellto@XXXXXX; 'DC Cycles' > >Subject: Re: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. > > > >Anybody remember this? > > > >[link to graphic pic of dead cyclist] > > > >>I used to ride like my hair was on > >>fire, but now since I have a new life to look forward to and a > family to > >>start I will not be endangering myself or anyone else unnecessarily > by > >>riding irresponsibly. And if you think that I'm wrong here put > yourself in > >>the shoes of a loved one that would have to come and identify YOUR > body at > >>the morgue. Let's use our brains folks. > > > >Gonna be a tough race to win if you're not gonna ride with your hair > on > >fire. > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Thomas W.Zell > >To: 'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN' ; > >; 'DC Cycles' > >Date: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 3:01 PM > >Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. > > > > > >>Best I've seen on the dyno for the VFR800 has been right at 98 BHP > and sure > >>I'd love to spank a new VFR... mine stock was right at 90 BHP and it > ain't > >>stock no more... plus mine weighs in probably around 430lbs thanks > to a > >>serious diet. I think the VFR800 still weighs close to 500lbs ... > so.... > >>bring it on! > >> > >>-Tom > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] > >>Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 2:47 PM > >>To: 'zellto@XXXXXX'; 'DC Cycles' > >>Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. > >> > >>Slow??? I don't think you'd want to race Bruce's VFR800. Its > putting well > >>over 100 HP at the rear wheels. > >> > >>Glenn > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Thomas W.Zell [SMTP:zellto@XXXXXX] > >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 2:41 PM > >>> To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > >>> Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. > >>> > >>> For you folks who are not in the know... the '86-88 VFR's were > indeed > >>> CUTTING EDGE sportbikes when they were built.... sporty enough to > best > >>> them > >>> all in taking the '86-'89(I believe) Superbike Championship. > >>> > >>> The new ones though are more geared towards touring... slow, > portly, > >>> over-sized, over-weight.... did I mention slow? > >>> > >>> Later, > >>> Tom > >>> '86 VFR750R > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 12:05:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21549; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15065 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23080 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 302; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:04:48 -0400 Message-ID: <35AE24A9.AA65BCB9@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:04:57 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Cycles logo References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > > How about using an artistic rendering of a rider and bike, > like the BMW symbol/logo. -- I've always been partial to the bike and rider logo that the Concours Owner's Group has, found here: http://www.concours.org/ Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 12:06:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21600; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15141 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23121 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p20dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.52]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA30635; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:06:18 -0400 Message-ID: <024601bdb0d3$ab2a3520$22f31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:06:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 The exact reaction I thought I would get. It has to be the _other_ guy who is being a jerk, right? Damn....I just pissed on my boots. Oh well, never liked them anyway. -----Original Message----- From: Thomas W.Zell To: 'Thomas H. Gimer' ; 'DC Cycles' Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 11:28 AM Subject: RE: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. >Don't be a jerk... nobody said anything about racing anybody... I was >trying to say that my VFR is a powerful bike and worthy of being considered >a REAL sportbike... that's how all this started. I went on to say that the >newer VFR's are slower than mine(which is a fact) and that I would not have >a problem beating a VFR800. Unfortunately, with the exception of a couple >of people this has become a big pissing contest... I'm done... you guys can >piss all over your own shoes for all I care.... end of subject. > >-Tom >'86 VFR750R > >-----Original Message----- >From: Thomas H. Gimer [SMTP:tgimer@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, July 16, 1998 8:56 AM >To: zellto@XXXXXX; 'DC Cycles' >Subject: Re: VFRs not sportbikes and Ironbutt stuff.. > >Anybody remember this? > >[link to graphic pic of dead cyclist] > >>I used to ride like my hair was on >>fire, but now since I have a new life to look forward to and a family to >>start I will not be endangering myself or anyone else unnecessarily by >>riding irresponsibly. And if you think that I'm wrong here put yourself >in >>the shoes of a loved one that would have to come and identify YOUR body at >>the morgue. Let's use our brains folks. > >Gonna be a tough race to win if you're not gonna ride with your hair on >fire. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 12:15:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA21849; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:15:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16254 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23427 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) id <3XK1Q2LX>; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:14:49 -0400 Message-ID: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC53@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: CAMS [ was Missed it all..] Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:19:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) Content-Type: text/plain Dr. John (Weinstein) still maintains the CAMS list (not a reflector). Don't think he is on dc-cycles. Contact him by e-mail WeinsteJ@XXXXXX to get on the CAMS list. Tom M. > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 1998 10:39 AM > To: Anita Lauro > Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: RE: CAMS [ was Missed it all..] > > On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Anita Lauro wrote: > > Is there a separate mailing list for CAMS? I'm interested in doing as > > much riding as possible [imagine that!]... checked out their website but > > it mostly had info about rides I've already missed? How about PARR? Do > > they have other rides besides their publicized Poker Runs? > > Anita, > > While I pretended to be interested when CAMS started up I never did go on > one of the rides. Lots of others here have and maybe Dr. John is still on > the list... There are other things like the list that awheat set-up. I > don't subscribe and haven't been on their rides either. PARR? I don't > know. I've cc'd the list to get you some real answers. So, guys, where can > someone pick up more news on local rides? > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 12:31:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22295; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA17737 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23933 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id MAA02749; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:30:10 -0400 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:30:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: Saturday Ride Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There's a chance that I might show up for the Sat. ride. Is that the same Amoco in Leesburg that you met in a few weekends ago? -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 12:44:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22477; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:43:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18113 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24327 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ywr8G-0003kn-00; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:43:49 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:42:23 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D82552D@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: New Thread...Wheelies!! Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:39:54 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Ok, ok, I know I'll have to eat crow after everyone reads this... I know I said a long time ago that I don't understand the need to do wheelies, yada yada yada. Now I think I wanna try one. Can everyone tell me their funniest stories about their first time trying a wheelie?? : ) - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 12:58:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22964; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18936 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24908 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA13889 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:57:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: New Thread...Wheelies!! In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D82552D@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Ok, ok, I know I'll have to eat crow after everyone reads this... > I know I said a long time ago that I don't understand the need to do > wheelies, yada yada yada. > Now I think I wanna try one. > Can everyone tell me their funniest stories about their first time > trying a wheelie?? : ) I don't have any humorous anecdotes but I do have a recommendation - try this in the dirt first. One of the basic techniques of dirt riding is getting the front end up and over obstacles and the bikes are set up to basically make it easy. My only wheelie story is about the kid we bought a CR80R from. It was his first bike (kind of like an adult buying a powerful sportbike as your first bike). He got on the gas, felt it bogging so he gave it more gas. Well, anyone with 2 stroke dirt bike experience knows what happened next. He looped it. On the plus side, we got a very low hour bike for something like $400 (this was in 82 or 83). I wonder if he can walk upright now.... I will admit that I just about preferred riding the, very tame by comparison, XR75 we also had. Kirk 'safety nazi' Roy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 13:16:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23406; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20473 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25623 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA21049 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:08:44 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:13:33 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:16:01 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jlobrien@XXXXXX Subject: New Thread...Wheelies!! -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline First street bike wheelie was totally unintentional. Test riding a Yamaha RD 350, shifted into second, whacked the throttle and saw the reflection of a wide-eyed idiot in the chrome front fender. Yes, I bought the bike. Joe '85 Ninja "new" RD 400F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 13:26:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23578; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20977 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25985 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 330; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:26:05 -0400 Message-ID: <35AE37B9.82BD4A27@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:26:17 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List , COG Subject: Re: New Thread...Wheelies!! References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D82552D@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > I know I said a long time ago that I don't understand the need to do > wheelies, yada yada yada. > Now I think I wanna try one. > Can everyone tell me their funniest stories about their first time > trying a wheelie?? : ) -- My first time (wheelie-ing, that is) occurred while riding home from work through some back roads in Clifton, VA. I saw a couple of punks on dirtbikes passing a car on a double yellow stretch right in front of the town hall, fire department, and post office. They both pulled humongous wheelies and held them for an entire block. The nerve of those guys. My first thought: "What a couple of a**holes. They're gonna get themselves killed!" My second thought: "You know, that looks like fun!" :-) My third thought: "I wonder if the Concours can wheelie?" :-) :-) [This was shortly after I bought the bike, and before it was christened "BugSlayer"] I knew of this commuter lot that is over by the Bull Run Marina, it is usually empty by the time I go past in the evenings, so that evening, I pulled in instead of driving past. After a couple of fast starts where all I did was smoke the back tire a little, *IT* happened. I started out rolling slowly in 1st gear, then pulled the clutch in. I revved the Concours up to about 8 grand, and let the clutch out rather quickly. This spun the back tire, the tach went to redline, then the tach needle dropped as the back tire hooked up, and I was looking at sky (well, ok, tree-tops...) Cool! I figure I only lofted the front tire maybe a foot to a foot and a half off the ground, and maybe rolled 20 feet, before my foot bumped the shifter up into neutral (quite unintentionally) but it *FELT* pretty neat! The Connie came back down, as gentle as could be, with all the grace of the big cat that it is. And you couldn't wipe the smug grin off my face the rest of the way home! :^] Ride Safe, Wheelie with discretion! :-) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 13:36:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23810; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21743 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net (known drquest.digex.net [204.91.98.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26417 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.17.2.14 (pix000035.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.47]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA06242 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:36:03 -0400 X-Mailer: InterCon tcpCONNECT4 4.0.2 (Macintosh) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9807161337.AA38910@172.17.2.14> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:37:38 -0300 From: "Matt Elliott - DIGEX" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: New Thread...Wheelies!! Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline Def. try on dirt first if possible. Use to do them all the time on the 1980 KL 250 (often times pulled the handle bars over my head and landed on my *ss), but too much of a whuss to try it on the 95 nighthawk. (Can a n'hawk 750 even pop one up??) I figure Todd should know... > On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > Ok, ok, I know I'll have to eat crow after everyone reads this... > > I know I said a long time ago that I don't understand the need to > > do wheelies, yada yada yada. > > Now I think I wanna try one. > > Can everyone tell me their funniest stories about their first > > time trying a wheelie?? : ) > > I don't have any humorous anecdotes but I do have a recommendation - > try this in the dirt first. One of the basic techniques of dirt riding > is getting the front end up and over obstacles and the bikes are set up > to basically make it easy. My only wheelie story is about the kid > we bought a CR80R from. It was his first bike (kind of like an > adult buying a powerful sportbike as your first bike). He got on the > gas, felt it bogging so he gave it more gas. Well, anyone with 2 > stroke dirt bike experience knows what happened next. He looped it. On > the plus side, we got a very low hour bike for something like $400 > (this was in 82 or 83). I wonder if he can walk upright now.... I > will admit that I just about preferred riding the, very tame by > comparison, XR75 we also had. > > Kirk 'safety nazi' Roy > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 13:42:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23979; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21812 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:42:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26663 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA14838 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:41:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: New Thread...Wheelies!! In-Reply-To: <9807161337.AA38910@172.17.2.14> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Matt Elliott - DIGEX wrote: > Def. try on dirt first if possible. > > Use to do them all the time on the 1980 KL 250 > but too much of a whuss to try it on the 95 nighthawk. > (Can a n'hawk 750 even pop one up??) Shoot, doesn't Gary Rothwell use a Bandit 600? If they can do wheelies, just about anything else should. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 13:43:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA23996; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21985 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:42:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26705 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:48:42 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: New Thread...Wheelies!! -Reply Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:48:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Okay, I have to admit... I once did a wheelie! Scared the daylights out of me though! I was riding my XT350, which would stall, and then I couldn't get it to start (damn kickstarter). So, after a kindly passerby started my bike for me, I was bound and determined not to stall it. Way too much throttle... and whoops!!!! I have no idea how far off the ground the front wheel got, but I quickly released the throttle and survived the experience. Have not repeated, and do not plan on repeating! I might lend my GPZ to a wheelie maniac (Collin?) just to see what it looks like... but then again, maybe not! Anita '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 14:02:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24536; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:02:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22946 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from red.uspis.gov (known red-internet.uspis.gov [206.205.134.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27478 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by red.uspis.gov; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA15522; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:05:15 -0400 Received: from somewhere by smtpxd Received: from somewhere by smtpxd Message-Id: From: "Clements, Curtis A" To: "'Matt Elliott - DIGEX'" , "'DC-Cycles Mailing List'" Subject: RE: New Thread...Wheelies!! Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:58:05 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Only if it has a 86 750 VFR motor on it!!!!! >-----Original Message----- >From: Matt Elliott - DIGEX [SMTP:elliottm@XXXXXX] >Sent: Thursday, July 16, 1998 12:38 PM >To: DC-Cycles Mailing List >Subject: Re: New Thread...Wheelies!! > >Def. try on dirt first if possible. > >Use to do them all the time on the 1980 KL 250 (often times pulled the handle >bars over my head and landed on my *ss), but too much of a whuss to try it on >the 95 nighthawk. (Can a n'hawk 750 even pop one up??) I figure Todd >should >know... > > > > >> On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >> > Ok, ok, I know I'll have to eat crow after everyone reads this... >> > I know I said a long time ago that I don't understand the need to >> > do wheelies, yada yada yada. >> > Now I think I wanna try one. >> > Can everyone tell me their funniest stories about their first >> > time trying a wheelie?? : ) >> >> I don't have any humorous anecdotes but I do have a recommendation - >> try this in the dirt first. One of the basic techniques of dirt riding >> is getting the front end up and over obstacles and the bikes are set up >> to basically make it easy. My only wheelie story is about the kid >> we bought a CR80R from. It was his first bike (kind of like an >> adult buying a powerful sportbike as your first bike). He got on the >> gas, felt it bogging so he gave it more gas. Well, anyone with 2 >> stroke dirt bike experience knows what happened next. He looped it. On >> the plus side, we got a very low hour bike for something like $400 >> (this was in 82 or 83). I wonder if he can walk upright now.... I >> will admit that I just about preferred riding the, very tame by >> comparison, XR75 we also had. >> >> Kirk 'safety nazi' Roy >> >> >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 14:03:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24550; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22979 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27509 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA10393; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <30F6DPXN>; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:03:50 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F28B7@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Kirk Roy'" , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: New Thread...Wheelies!! Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:03:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Rothwell generally uses an older GSXR1100 for all of his tricks. I'd love to see him perform sometime. Tip for doing a wheelie on a street bike if you plan on dumping the clutch: Get some speed going first, it's easier to control elevation that way. Try it going too slow (10-15mph) and you can easily loop the bike. For a mid size bike (J) get going about 35 in first gear, clutch it, rev to about 3/4 redline (about 8-9 grand on those VFR's??) then dump the clutch. This should bring you up to a nice 45 degree angle. If you've regeared the bike a bit lower than stock, you should be able to do throttle blip wheelies w/o using the clutch... Two of my stories: Riding on back of a friends little 100cc enduro (we were maybe 10 y/o at the time) riding down a trail. He yells "duck"...me: "wha.." thump... He ducked under a sappling branch which caught me square across the chest and left me sitting on the ground watching him speed away... Second one: Had given up dirt bike racing a few years earlier, when my brother picked up a nice older KX500 for dirt cheap (I raced 250's and 125's) The first time I got on that beast during a break from college, I got up on a block long stretch of highway to get to some of our favorite trails, goosed the gas, and promptly found myself running behind the bike with handlebars in hand. Jumped back on..thought OK lot's of power..be careful..2nd gear put me straight vertical but I managed not to fall off. 3rd gear went well over 45 degrees (ok, so I stayed on the paved section for more than a block. That beast had tons of power. On gravel roads you could pull a 45 degree wheelie and spin the rear as long as you want. Had my brother get behind me on the highway...ran a wheelie through all the gears, and he paced me up into the 90's!!! Wow what a toy... > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 1998 1:54 PM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Re: New Thread...Wheelies!! > > > Shoot, doesn't Gary Rothwell use a Bandit 600? If they can do wheelies, > just about anything else should. > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 14:09:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24846; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23107 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27711 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ywsSZ-0001Cp-00; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:08:51 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:07:25 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D825534@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Matt Elliott - DIGEX'" , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: New Thread...Wheelies!! Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:04:56 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain You're right, bad ass of the year on a big bike definitely goes to Todd. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Elliott - DIGEX [SMTP:elliottm@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 1998 12:38 PM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Re: New Thread...Wheelies!! > > Def. try on dirt first if possible. > > Use to do them all the time on the 1980 KL 250 (often times pulled the > handle > bars over my head and landed on my *ss), but too much of a whuss to > try it on > the 95 nighthawk. (Can a n'hawk 750 even pop one up??) I figure > Todd should > know... > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 14:19:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA25088; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23633 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28136 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss1.mcit.com (omss1.mcit.com [166.37.210.30]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA22801; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:17:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980716181734.DCCL2821@localHost>; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:17:34 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Matt Elliott - DIGEX" CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: New Thread...Wheelies!! X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980716181734.DCCL2821@localHost> >Def. try on dirt first if possible. > >Use to do them all the time on the 1980 KL 250 (often times pulled the handle >bars over my head and landed on my *ss), but too much of a whuss to try it on >the 95 nighthawk. (Can a n'hawk 750 even pop one up??) I figure Todd should >know... It will... T From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 14:32:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA25536; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24267 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA28601 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA07562; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:32:01 -0400 Message-ID: <35AE46F4.81BBBD7F@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:31:16 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JOE NAGY CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jlobrien@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Thread...Wheelies!! -Reply References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My first street bike was a Honda CB200, the second a Yamaha RD400. I thought that was just the natural way the Yamaha went into 2d and 3d gears. It did that the whole time I had it. Leon. JOE NAGY wrote: > > First street bike wheelie was totally unintentional. Test riding a > Yamaha RD 350, shifted into second, whacked the throttle and saw the > reflection of a wide-eyed idiot in the chrome front fender. Yes, I > bought the bike. > Joe > '85 Ninja > "new" RD 400F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 14:42:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA25939; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24483 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29251 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:42:12 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421C0E54@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: New Thread...Wheelies!! Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:40:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hows THAT for humble? *lol* Heck.. my first wheelie was the first time I'd ever ridden a streetbike.. it was an 83 Honda CB1100f - the sportbike of THAT era.. anyway.. started her up, opened the throttle like I had in the garage on my (squid) roomies ZX10 (on the centerstand), snicked it into gear and ... dropped the clutch. Wheelied out of the parking lot, onto a side street (no traffic thankfully) turned mid wheelie and set it down as I hit the kill switch.. scared witless.. that was about 10pm.. by 4am the same morning.. I was riding like yer average squid.. FAST down the straights, slow up hard for the corners.. put-put round them and then wick it up again... Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer Sent: Thursday, July 16, 1998 2:04 PM To: Matt Elliott - DIGEX Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: New Thread...Wheelies!! >Def. try on dirt first if possible. > >Use to do them all the time on the 1980 KL 250 (often times pulled the handle >bars over my head and landed on my *ss), but too much of a whuss to try it on >the 95 nighthawk. (Can a n'hawk 750 even pop one up??) I figure Todd should >know... It will... T From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 14:48:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26128; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24727 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29452 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA21698 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:41:12 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:46:02 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:48:17 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Thread...Wheelies!! -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I theenk he use de moch beeger wan. The 600 won't do the 140mph monos for which he's famous. . . >>> Kirk Roy - 7/16/98 1:41 PM >>> On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Matt Elliott - DIGEX wrote: > Def. try on dirt first if possible. > > Use to do them all the time on the 1980 KL 250 > but too much of a whuss to try it on the 95 nighthawk. > (Can a n'hawk 750 even pop one up??) Shoot, doesn't Gary Rothwell use a Bandit 600? If they can do wheelies, just about anything else should. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 14:57:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26462; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:57:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA25212 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29839 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA16517 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:57:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: New Thread...Wheelies!! -Reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, JOE NAGY wrote: > I theenk he use de moch beeger wan. The 600 won't do the 140mph monos > for which he's famous. . . I really need to get one of the videos featuring Gary. In the latest Performance Bikes he tells how to stoppie. I always thought stoppies involved actually stopping. Well, he talks about the balance point and getting good distance and such... It blows my mind just thinking about it. While Gary may not use the Bandit 600 for his stunts (could I possibly be wrong?) they are popular stunt bikes, apparently. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 15:10:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26860; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25503 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00546 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:09:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA16807 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:09:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: New Thread...Wheelies!! In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F28B7@MSCEX> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > Rothwell generally uses an older GSXR1100 for all of his tricks. I'd love > to see him perform sometime. Dang, I guess I eventually had to make a mistake... > KX500 for dirt cheap (I raced 250's and 125's) > That beast had tons of power. On gravel roads you could pull a 45 degree > wheelie and spin the rear as long as you want. Had my brother get behind me > on the highway...ran a wheelie through all the gears, and he paced me up > into the 90's!!! Wow what a toy... Any 500cc 2 stroke is insane! On the opposite end of the spectrum - I'm putting serious thought into getting an XR100 and using it for skills practice (and to pretend I'm a GP hero). Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 15:10:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26876; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25508 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:10:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.24]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00567 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) id <3X3ZA378>; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:12:56 -0400 Message-ID: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC5B@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Next Thread Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:14:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) Content-Type: text/plain Wheelie stories -- good stuff, all of it. Now let's anticipate Jeanette's next project (one good wheel in the air deserves the other) and relate tales of our first stoppies. Tom M. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 15:23:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27156; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25810 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00964 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA32062; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980716192210.HZAQ8978@[166.41.242.141]>; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:22:10 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: RE: New Thread...Wheelies!! X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980716192210.HZAQ8978@[166.41.242.141]> Brian McCoy wrote: >Hows THAT for humble? *lol* Heck.. my first wheelie was the first time >I'd ever ridden a streetbike.. it was an 83 Honda CB1100f - the >sportbike of THAT era.. anyway.. started her up, opened the throttle Ok, ok. My first wheelie really involved a passenger on my VT500c shadow, but I don't count that as it wasn't intentional (happened all the time on that bike since the passenger is basically seated over the rear axle). My first wheelie on (sort of) purpose was downtown in front of two of my workmates. Like Brian, I started her up, turned out and blipped the throttle....whoOOAAHH...up comes the wheel and I freak and put my feet down (dumb idea, but felt like the right thing to do) and let loose on the throttle, feet back on pegs and blip throttle again launching for the second time through the 18th st light on I st nw. My mates were just about on the ground laughing :) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 15:24:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27243; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25827 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00991 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14663; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <30F6DPXX>; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:24:57 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F28B9@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Kirk Roy'" , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: New Thread...Wheelies!! Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:24:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Speaking of that...out at the track this weekend I saw a guy with a hawk frame and a CR500 motor mounted in it!!! He was babying it around the track and never really opened it up, but man, I bet that would make for one heck of a racebike! > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 1998 3:20 PM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: RE: New Thread...Wheelies!! > > > Any 500cc 2 stroke is insane! On the opposite end of the spectrum - I'm > putting serious thought into getting an XR100 and using it for skills > practice (and to pretend I'm a GP hero). > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 15:32:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27391; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26404 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01233 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0ywtlg-0004pl-00; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:32:40 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:31:06 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D825539@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Mersch, Tom'" , "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Next Thread Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:28:37 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain No, no!! Those scare the hell out of me!! = 0 > -----Original Message----- > From: Mersch, Tom [SMTP:merscht@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 1998 3:14 PM > To: 'dc-cycles' > Subject: Next Thread > > > Wheelie stories -- good stuff, all of it. Now let's anticipate > Jeanette's > next project (one good wheel in the air deserves the other) and relate > tales > of our first stoppies. > > Tom M. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 15:55:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27730; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26698 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01841 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:54:59 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id PAA28922 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:54:48 -0400 Message-Id: <199807161954.PAA28922@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:54:48 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:54:48 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:54:48 -0400 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:23:41 -0400 Subject: Re: New Thread...Wheelies!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: COG@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35AE37B9.82BD4A27@tidalwave.net> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME Don't honestly remember the first wheelie I did but I certainly remember the first one a friend of mine did... twas the summer of '75 and we were all wee little lads riding wee little bikes..mine a green Honda SL90 and his a Kawasaki dirt bike of some sort..brand spanking new..I think it was a 125.. ..anyway..in celebration of his new bike (and joining the ranks of the two wheeled), a bunch of us (about 6-7) rode over to his place for a quick afternoon run... He, trying to impress us and his girlfriend standing nearby, hopped on his bike, jumped on the kickstart, punched into first and gunned it from his backyard towards us in the street..just before he went off the curb onto the street, he yanked the front wheel up and just as the rear tire cleared the curb and hit the street about 6 inches below, this look of panic hit him as his wrist jerked down and the bike literally shot right past us, across the street and smack into a light pole. I don't think that boy had logged more than 5 hours on that bike... He ended up with a broken shoulder, and a completely totaled bike with less than 50 miles on the odometer...you should of seen the look on his dads face when he found out! Needless to say, that was the LAST time I ever saw him on a motorcycle. ;-) cheers, -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 16:19:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28006; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26951 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1a.yahoomail.com (known send1a.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.22]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02518 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980716180646.29183.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send1a; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:06:46 PDT Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:06:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: New Thread...Wheelies!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey Leon , How hard do those 2 chipmonks have to work to get it up ;~)hehehehehehe ---Kirk Roy wrote: doesn't Gary Rothwell use a Bandit 600? If they can do wheelies, > just about anything else should. > > Kirk > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 16:22:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28040; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA26978 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:22:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02598 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA18478 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:21:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: New Thread...Wheelies!! In-Reply-To: <19980716180646.29183.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Craig wrote: > Hey Leon , How hard do those 2 chipmonks have to work to get it up > ;~)hehehehehehe Shoot, I'd bet all Leon needs to do is to fill the aux tank with gas... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 16:28:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28201; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27037 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02837 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.35]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:24:56 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: New Thread...Wheelies!! Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:26:00 -0400 Message-ID: <001101bdb0f7$f28d5040$2380e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D82552D@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Importance: Normal > Can everyone tell me their funniest stories about their first time > trying a wheelie?? : ) Don't remember too much. Was on the BMW. Had to pull out into traffic. Let off on the gas in second, and the front end came down WHUMP. Huh? That musta been a wheelie.... Cool! Other memorables: Riding with SO. Loft front end a few inches. Drop throttle. I was braced. She wasn't. Her head hurt mine. She still doesn't wear a full face helmet. Test riding a K1100RS. Doing... 30? on some back road. Downshift. Give gas. Dump clutch.... Screw the NGs. Shaftdrives most definately can wheelie. Okay, it was only about 6 inches, but at 30 (considering all others were at parking lot speeds) it was a blast. BTW, use Tom's bike. He'll like replacing the clutch. Trust me. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 16:38:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28362; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27163 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03077 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA13843 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LJTanner.mci.com ([166.41.111.116]) by omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980716203754.ILXR8978@XXXXXX> for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:37:54 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: First Wheelie Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:37:42 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bdb0f9$951d1ba0$9e6f29a6@LJTanner.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal My first (and perhaps only) wheelie was long before a lot of you were born. I was in college in the last 60s and a friend (Calvin) had a bike (Yamaha 305) that he generously (and foolishly) taught me to ride. He let me go off by myself anytime I wanted. One day on campus, so other guy on some other bike wanted to race, so being young and stupid I agreed. I unfortunately couldn't get a good start and kept stalling. I was bummed that my racing career was over so fast. I went to Calvin and explained my problem. He showed a few techniques for fast starts, so I wanted to practice. Needless to say, my first attempt caused a totally unexpected wheelie. I think my left hand came off the bars and I skidded off the back of the bike - which was headed for some parked cars. The bike went down and slid under the nearest car, at least causing no damage to the car. Bike was scratched, but hardly noticeable with the other damage (that I DIDN'T cause). I, on the other hand, made an amazing landing on my chin, wrist and both knees. Did I mention this was in Florida and I was wearing shorts, T-shirt and sandals and no helmet? Nurse was appalled, but it really was only road rash. I had a hot date the next night and the big spot of rash on the chin was hard to disguise. Date must not have worked out, because I have no memory of it. I rode the bike a few more time (Calvin was a masochist) and then gave up motorcycles until 1994. But I'm back now... LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 16:45:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28452; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA27509 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA03256 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:44:48 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WYVKa04160 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4673e161.35ae661d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:44:11 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: New Thread...Wheelies!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Well, my first time doing a wheelie wasn't funny or dramatic. But I let a friend of mine ride my Nighthawk 450 to take his MD License riding test. After we got back to his place, he wanted to ride a wheelie. So he pulled in the clutch, revved it to about 8,000 RPM and let 'er fly! The bike's front wheel jumped almost straight into the air! It was picture perfect until he landed it. He panicked, pulled in the clutch and put on both brakes. When the bike came down, he landed groin first on the fuel tank. Ouch!!!! He hasn't done a wheelie since. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 85 Nighthawk 450 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 17:06:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA28811; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA28098 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA04000 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:06:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA12387; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:06:28 -0400 Message-ID: <35AE6B26.E7122174@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:05:42 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Craig CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Thread...Wheelies!! References: <19980716180646.29183.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nothing to it. 1) Put a couple of stacked girl chipmunks out in front. or 2) Fill the fuel cell with 5 gal of 93 octane. either way they're up. Leon. Craig wrote: > > Hey Leon , How hard do those 2 chipmonks have to work to get it up > ;~)hehehehehehe > > ---Kirk Roy wrote: > doesn't Gary Rothwell use a Bandit 600? If they can do wheelies, > > just about anything else should. > > > > Kirk > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 17:13:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA28913; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA28204 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA04311 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:13:19 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WOPCa04521 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3878a432.35ae6cc0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:12:31 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: New Thread...Wheelies!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 My first wheelie came on my current steed.......the TL. Yeah, I know, nice bike to learn wheelies on huh? I kept hearing about how awesome of a wheelie bike it is and all. I wanted to do it but wasnt sure about just how MUCH power would flip it. I kept trying to dump the clutch at about 5000RPM......all it would do was jerk a bit. I posted asking about it. Found that you just need to whack the throttle at 4000RPM in first. I was on 355 (Wisconsin Ave) in Rockville and decided to try it. I left a stoplight and got up to 4000 and whacked it! OH MY GOD.....Im staring at the stars. Scared the bejeezus outta me!!! So I did it again immediately. This has to be the ultimate wheelie bike (along side the R1). Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 18:19:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29958; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28884 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA06436 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr38-dialup1.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM05SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0EW700776KKQ2Z@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:17:16 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:15:26 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Ironbutt ride To: SCOTT RUSH , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <00aa01bdb120$62b76d60$414c37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Scott, Nice to see ya on the DC list, too. Jon Schumer fellow exup-brotherhood member and DC-Cycles member -----Original Message----- From: SCOTT RUSH To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 7:24 AM Subject: RE: Ironbutt ride >There's a Mt. Washington in Pittsburgh...how's that for close? A race to >Pittsburgh, up to the top of Mt. Washington, back down, and back to DC. >Round trip would probably take 6 hours (at most for you land-pilots) :-) Hi all, I'm new to the list, Digest Version (getting way to many e-mails from the EXUP list that I joined to go live with another.) The name's Scott Rush and I live in DC originally 66 miles South of Pittsburgh. I own a '91 Yamaha FZR 600. First Bike I've ever owned and just bought it last year. I had never been on one previously. I've been home on the bike a few times, doing 80 to 100 most of the way and it takes me about 3 ½ hours. Six hours would be pushing it unless you plan on doing 100+ all the way, no stops. You're probably looking at more like 7 to 8 hours to Pittsburgh and back, which is still a good time. Anyway, just thought I'd intro myself and throw that in. Scott From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 18:20:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29983; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29024 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm06sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm06sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.155]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA06479 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr38-dialup1.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM05SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) with SMTP id <0EW700D5XL0G46@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:26:42 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:17:47 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Ironbutt ride To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <00c501bdb120$b65c1600$414c37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 -----Original Message----- From: Fagan, Collin LTJG To: 'SCOTT RUSH' ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 7:37 AM Subject: RE: Ironbutt ride >Wow, seems like we've been invaded by a lot of fizzer's lately :) > >Welcome to the list Scott... > >Collin Hey, is that such a bad thing? Don't answer that......... Jon Schumer fizzer invader From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 18:24:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA00040; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29351 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA06542 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:23:50 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA02318; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807162050.QAA02318@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: AMA Bike To Work Day To: brown@XXXXXX (Dan Brown) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199807161159.HAA03663@zydeco.CSS.GOV> from "Dan Brown" at Jul 16, 98 07:55:53 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Zbig writes: > > > > > >me too ! > > > >_zjt > > > > Which bike was that Zbig... the ovloV or the Jeep? > > :-) > > Take a guess.... Hint: My wife was royally pissed off.... _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 18:39:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA00249; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29968 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA06908 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr38-dialup1.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM05SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0EW7002SDLNMZ7@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:40:36 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:37:24 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: New Thread...Wheelies!! -Reply To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <011601bdb123$73cf9e80$414c37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 I was 8 and never rode a motorcycle before. My friend had a CR 80 and let me "try" and ride it. Looked easy. Knowing nothing about 2 strokes or throttle control, I wacked the throttle and dumped the clutch. Oops. I had my left foot on the peg and my right foot on the ground, holding me up before I took off. When I took off, my right leg was dragging on the ground, my balls were the only thing on the seat and the bike was vertical. Being vertical was pulling me off the back of the bike which caused me to pin the throttle wide open. The bike flipped and I was bleeding kinda nice from my knee cap down to my ankle. Nice first wheelie/motorcycle experience. ================================== Jon Schumer dawn.jon@XXXXXX ICQ#11193913 ================================== -----Original Message----- From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ; jlobrien@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 10:34 AM Subject: New Thread...Wheelies!! -Reply >First street bike wheelie was totally unintentional. Test riding a >Yamaha RD 350, shifted into second, whacked the throttle and saw the >reflection of a wide-eyed idiot in the chrome front fender. Yes, I >bought the bike. >Joe >'85 Ninja >"new" RD 400F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 18:48:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA00354; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA00281 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1c.yahoomail.com (known send1c.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA07113 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980716225046.20946.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Received: from [208.195.115.112] by send1c; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:50:46 PDT Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:50:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: Sat ride Attendees To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well here is a updated list of participants for Saturday : So far...John K. Jon S. Bruce N. Brian M. Glenn D. Craig J. Alex M. Kirk R. Sean P. Anita Lee N. Roy T. ??? Tom T. ??? Tom G. ??? hope I got all that have responded?? hope this is it, the group is getting way to large will need to be 2 groups Craig _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 18:56:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA00395; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA00845 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm02sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm02sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA07177 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:55:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr38-dialup1.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM05SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) with SMTP id <0EW700NHLMCF8M@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:55:28 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:53:39 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: New Thread...Wheelies!! To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <015b01bdb125$b8b64060$414c37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: >> Rothwell generally uses an older GSXR1100 for all of his tricks. I'd love >> to see him perform sometime. I had the honor of seeing Gary Rothwell at Pocono last year. Woah, I can't put into words how insane he is. Nuts, and he's so laid back and relaxed. Jon S. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 20:16:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA01180; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03151 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA08488 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA22556 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:16:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Refreshing a heavily used bike Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I had my brother's low mileage (4k or something - he just bought it) Radian for the last week. I switched back to my Hawk today. The difference is incredible. Everything but the handling and the rear brake on the Radian felt crisper than the Hawk. I'm closing in on 50k miles on my bike. That, combined with the abuse it received earlier in its life have made it a bit rough. Er, maybe a lot rough. What sorts of things could I do to sort of freshen things up? Cable lubing would probably do some good, what should I use for that? I'll probably do all the bearings over the winter (when I can borrow his bike again). I'm going to be putting another motor in when I have the money to build it up (I recommend NOT buying wiseco pistons... my old motor is quite heavy on the vibration since the pistons are quite heavy). Maybe I should just take it apart from front to back and lube everything up? Advice on specific things to do would be highly appreciated. Major stuff will probably have to wait until my brother parks his bike so I have something to ride... There are certain advantages to buying new, never riding in the rain, leaving your engine stock, etc... Of course, there are advantages for the opposites of those things too (e.g., my Hawk was only $1500). If anyone wants to donate a low miles Hawk to this cause just reply to this address. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 20:27:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA01219; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03248 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall-r.insuremarket.com (known mailhost.ifscorp.com [205.130.198.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA08673 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by firewall-r.insuremarket.com (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/951211.SGI.AUTO) for id UAA29284; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:27:29 -0400 Received: from oman.insuremarket.com(172.23.2.69) by firewall-r.insuremarket.com via smap (3.1) id xma029282; Thu, 16 Jul 98 20:27:28 -0400 Received: from ifscorp.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by oman.insuremarket.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id UAA02814 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:26:09 -0400 Sender: tad@XXXXXX Message-ID: <35AE9A1B.EDC4EFCA@ifscorp.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:26:09 -0400 From: Thomas De Boeser Organization: Interactive Insurance Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Inspections and service Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I need to get my bike a MD state inspection, I spoke to a MC shop who recommended I go to gas station because they have no motivation to rip me off. I believe this is probably good adivce. Does anyone know of gas station that will do a state inspection? I'm trying to avoid calling a hundred stations. Also, during the "Colman Sucks" thread a few mentioned their fav MC shop's. Does anybody have experience with "The Motorcycle Shop" in College Park? -- Thomas De Boeser Interactive Insurance Services http://www.insuremarket.com a subsidiary of Intuit, Inc. http://www.quicken.com Alexandria, VA http://www.alex.org/ ~~~~~~~~ "It ain't broke, it just lacks duct tape." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 20:45:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA01308; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03399 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA08970 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA23019 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:45:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Inspections and service In-Reply-To: <35AE9A1B.EDC4EFCA@ifscorp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Thomas De Boeser wrote: > Also, during the "Colman Sucks" thread a few mentioned their fav MC > shop's. Does anybody have experience with "The Motorcycle Shop" in > College Park? It's a good shop with employees who are enthusiasts and, generally, pretty knowledgeable. Like any smaller shop you may have to sit around a bit waiting to get attention. They're fairly similar to Cycle Accessories Discounters (CAD) but without the racing accent. While I live within 2 miles of the Motorcycle Shop I would probably drive there if I didn't. Since I mentioned CAD I will say that I do make the drive up to Gaithersburg to get stuff there. Dave will seriously discount stuff he wants gone, like Duotec helmets for $150... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 21:16:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA01472; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03587 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:16:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seismo.CSS.GOV (known seismo.CSS.GOV [140.162.1.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA09328 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wharfrat..css.gov (brauhaus.CSS.GOV [140.162.4.56]) by seismo.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA16392 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807170115.VAA16392@seismo.CSS.GOV> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:09:13 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: AMA Bike To Work Day In-Reply-To: <199807162050.QAA02318@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> References: <199807161159.HAA03663@zydeco.CSS.GOV> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:50 PM 7/16/98 -0400, you wrote: > >> Zbig writes: >> > >> > >> >me too ! >> > >> >_zjt >> > >> >> Which bike was that Zbig... the ovloV or the Jeep? >> >> :-) >Take a guess.... > >Hint: My wife was royally pissed off.... > So... you bought that CB350 you were looking at, huh? Time to clear the roads again. -- The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the conspiracy is working. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 21:23:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA01532; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03641 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA09417 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:23:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p1dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.33]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA17562; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:23:21 -0400 Message-ID: <030301bdb121$7aec8540$22f31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Thomas De Boeser" , Subject: Re: Inspections and service Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:23:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Potomac, MD....Potomac Amoco: corner of Falls Rd and River Rd. Ask for Rick. Germantown, MD....Germantown Amoco. 118 and 270. Don't know anybody there. Good luck. -----Original Message----- From: Thomas De Boeser To: Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 8:38 PM Subject: Inspections and service >Hi, > I need to get my bike a MD state inspection, I spoke to a MC shop who >recommended I go to gas station because they have no motivation to rip >me off. I believe this is probably good adivce. Does anyone know of >gas station that will do a state inspection? I'm trying to avoid >calling a hundred stations. > > Also, during the "Colman Sucks" thread a few mentioned their fav MC >shop's. Does anybody have experience with "The Motorcycle Shop" in >College Park? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 21:30:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA01583; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03704 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA09534 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt (207-172-182-110.s110.tnt19.brd.erols.com [207.172.182.110]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA14140; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:30:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807170130.VAA14140@smtp3.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: "Morris Berman" , "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Saturday Ride Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:29:02 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How about some directions from the Fairfax County parkway? Roy D. Turner, Esq. ---------- > From: Morris Berman > To: Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles > Subject: Saturday Ride > Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 12:30 PM > > There's a chance that I might show up for the Sat. ride. Is that the > same Amoco in Leesburg that you met in a few weekends ago? > > -Mb > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX > '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. > -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- > > Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to > cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 21:40:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA01620; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03792 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA09667 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.41] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id VAA00222; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:40:57 -0400 Message-ID: <021a01bdb123$95a915e0$2973c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "Thomas H. Gimer" , "Glenn Dysart" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: Brake Line Success Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:33:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 OEM pads & a braided steel brake line from Hi-Perf Hardware are now installed on the bike. Flushed both systems & now it feels much better. Didn't put new lines on the front due mostly to $. Maybe later. Now if the UPS man will kindly bring some new tires tomorrow Tom T. will be joining us. Bruce From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 22:03:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA01730; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:03:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04009 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA10096 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.41] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA00283 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:03:50 -0400 Message-ID: <029401bdb126$c81d9f20$2973c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Are yellow headlight bulbs legal in VA? Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:01:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Well, are they? What about 1 white, 1 yellow? Curious, Bruce From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 22:14:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA01807; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04072 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA10300 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p4dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.36]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA19089; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:14:30 -0400 Message-ID: <031801bdb128$a0431140$22f31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Bruce Norton" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Are yellow headlight bulbs legal in VA? Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:14:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Why not just install them and see if anybody stops you? My bet is you never have a problem. You'd probably just get an equipment repair order anyway. John K., don't you run yellow light(s) in Va? -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Norton To: DC-Cycles Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 10:09 PM Subject: Are yellow headlight bulbs legal in VA? >Well, are they? What about 1 white, 1 yellow? > >Curious, >Bruce From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 22:18:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA01821; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04107 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA10364 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.26.3]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 272 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:17:51 -0400 Message-ID: <35AEB4ED.B1051A0@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:20:29 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: My Tire is Screwed, Literally Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, Looks like I'm caging it to work tomorrow, picked up a three inch long screw (?!) in the back tire tonight, about a mile from home. Heard the tell-tale hissing when I pulled up at the house. I guess if I was fated to punch a hole in the tire, doing it to one with 9,990 miles on it but only a mile away from home is a pretty good way to go. Anyway, I need to practice with a tire repair kit anyway. Any suggestions on what type, snot on a string, bullet-shaped plug, mushroom patch, to get? Or should I pull off the wheel and have it "done right" by some putz at CPS? (Notice the quotes :-) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 22:19:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA01849; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04121 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA10394 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.41] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA00347; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:19:53 -0400 Message-ID: <02a701bdb129$060c8060$2973c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" , "Thomas H. Gimer" Subject: Re: Are yellow headlight bulbs legal in VA? Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:17:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Actually Craig installed one in his TL & we were discussing the legalities & I decided to turn to the wisdom of the list. Or we can wait & see if he gets jerked. Fishing w/ a TL for bait, Bruce >Why not just install them and see if anybody stops you? My bet is you never >have a problem. You'd probably just get an equipment repair order anyway. > >John K., don't you run yellow light(s) in Va? > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bruce Norton >To: DC-Cycles >Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 10:09 PM >Subject: Are yellow headlight bulbs legal in VA? > > >>Well, are they? What about 1 white, 1 yellow? >> >>Curious, >>Bruce > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 22:38:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02094; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04983 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA10673 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.36] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA00417; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:38:57 -0400 Message-ID: <35AE7227.9FF33D4D@anent.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:35:35 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: TL LIST , Jack , DC-Cycles Subject: Suspension Settings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JACK HERE YOU GO AGAIN>>>>> O.K. here you go.......******WARNING****** these settings are for the way I like to ride .................................and may not be conducive to your style or size...... I am 5'8" and weigh 155 lbs. I am running Dunlop 207zr Front Avon Azaro av36 on the rear Somone once told me that in order to get the bike to fell comfortable and responsive the way you want it , that you should go from one extreme to the other {full tight and then to full soft}not stopping in the middle so that you get a feel for how different it is , and then make adjustments from there.I have done this and that is how I came up with these settings. 1). Make sure that you chain is adjusted correctly , with your body weight on the bike or otherwise it will be too tight. 2). Based on 36 P.S.I. air pressure front & rear 3). Adjust the Rear Spring Preload to remove all the sag from the bike un-weighted. 4). Turn the Rear Damper screw all the way to the full soft position , then turn back in 1 to 1 & 1/2 turns.{You will have to play with this one a little at a time}. { I have notes that say I ended up with this to be 3 & 1/2 turns from full tight} 5). Turn the Rear Compression screw all the way to full soft {out} , and then back in 1 to 1 & 1/ 2 turns as well. {Same thing here as a little fine tuning needs to be done}. { notes that say I ended up with this set at 2 turns from full tight} 6). Adjust the Front Spring Preload { Blue Nut } till 4 lines are showing. This is hard to describe as the bar/lines are about a 1/8 inch in thickness.Should end up with about 1/2 inch above the large silver nut. 7). Turn the Rebound which is on the top of the fork all the way too full tight , then back it out 2 turns. 8). Turn the Front compression which is on the bottom of the fork legs all the way to full tight , then back it out 2 & 1/2 turns. I hope that these help you , but every time I get a different set of tires these need minor adjustments. Maybe this will help someone else as well ,giving ideas on how to set up their bike... Enjoy and ride safe , but FAST ;~) Craig Blue TL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 22:49:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02134; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05283 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA10819 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.36] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA00448; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:49:20 -0400 Message-ID: <35AE7492.24BA6F32@anent.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:45:54 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce Norton CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Are yellow headlight bulbs legal in VA? References: <02a701bdb129$060c8060$2973c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fishing for that big lunker is more like it...it 'll be my luck and that will be the day I get nailed without my liscense on me .... Craig Bruce Norton wrote: > Actually Craig installed one in his TL & we were discussing the legalities & > I decided to turn to the wisdom of the list. Or we can wait & see if he gets > jerked. > > Fishing w/ a TL for bait, > Bruce > > >Why not just install them and see if anybody stops you? My bet is you > never > >have a problem. You'd probably just get an equipment repair order anyway. > > > >John K., don't you run yellow light(s) in Va? > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Bruce Norton > >To: DC-Cycles > >Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 10:09 PM > >Subject: Are yellow headlight bulbs legal in VA? > > > > > >>Well, are they? What about 1 white, 1 yellow? > >> > >>Curious, > >>Bruce > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 16 22:51:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA02148; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05328 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA10854 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA06302 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35AEE6FF.718E@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:54:07 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: W-S-D-Y-M-F-G Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom G. wrote: > >Speaking of the west-side-double-yellow-gang - > Aren't you missing a word here? Go ahead, John K., fill him in. ================================================================== OK, OK, I can't resist :) Well Tom M. did fill it in later, but I did want to offer some etymological explanation. Actually, it ("mofo") has two origins. One is in Spanish (which, to be honest I don't really know, but I was told it meant "crazy" - sort of like "loco". Perhaps someone else fluent in that language can confirm what I was told... The other sense derives, of course, from an African-American rendering of an expression, the full spelling of which I'm far to polite (yeah, right... ;) to include in our polite little virtual community. Anyway, there you have it. By the way, apropos some kind of design, I'm envisioning a graphic with a stretch of winding black top with a double yellow line with a mofo on a moto passing a cage... Not too creative perhaps, but it amuses me =;^D JK N.B. See y'all bright-eyed and bushy-tailed early Saturday morning ! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 00:26:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA03810; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA06747 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA12612 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:26:38 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA02895; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807170427.AAA02895@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: AMA Bike To Work Day To: brown@XXXXXX (Dan Brown) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199807170115.VAA16392@seismo.CSS.GOV> from "Dan Brown" at Jul 16, 98 09:09:13 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > > >> Zbig writes: > >> > > >> > > >> >me too ! > >> > > >> >_zjt > >> > > >> > >> Which bike was that Zbig... the ovloV or the Jeep? > >> > >> :-) > > >Take a guess.... > > > >Hint: My wife was royally pissed off.... > > > > So... you bought that CB350 you were looking at, huh? > > Time to clear the roads again. > You better do, young man in a cage... OK, OK, it is Honda, Black, XX, 1997, 8k miles. Another 'Bird in family. Bought it last Saturday from a guy near Gettysburg. My friendly Honda dealer in Leesburg ( shameles plugm but guys at Loudoun Motorsports are trying to be decent - 777-1652, ask for greg and tell them you are from DC-cycles ) did a good service job, checking and replacing what needed replacement. Still waiting for new tires. Managed to ride it to work. I can't do whole Saturday, need to drive a friend to Cleveland. Next week I will need to baptise bike - previous owner put on it 8k miles wihtout scratching pegs, not to mention fairing. Rear tire is ( or was... before I managed to put 80 miles on it Wednesday) precisely square from highway riding. So, w-s-d-y-m-f-g - I am back... Sorry to spoil your vactions. > > -- > The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the > conspiracy is working. > _zjt PS: since some of you heard my wife saying NO MORE BIKES !!! - there are few things which cannot be taken care of with addition on a nice, new leather sofa in living room. This way I have a new sofa and a bike... ;-) _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 01:08:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA04107; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA07034 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA13131 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-5.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.46]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA00258 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:08:12 -0400 Message-ID: <0ae201bdb140$db41fc80$4510b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Re: A bolt of Pontiac -- MC down Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:07:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Thanks, DC-C'ers for the kind comments re my recent bike down. Body and bike progressing, with optimism. One thought came that seems addressable here -- "From your posts I gather you are quite experienced and don't take too many risks." Thanks for the first, though I still think of myself as no veteran, the '96 500 being my first bike. I have tried to soak up much mc early, and have other usable man/moving experience -- planes, sport cars, bicycles, etc. As for risks -- there are all kinds of bruises awaiting to body, ego, and points in between and the life challenge I've found is choosing rewards and exposure and enjoying, hopefully, the results. Perils today, placid tomorrow. And this list has been a great boost toward my mc safety, proficiency, and downright fun. Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD (limbo) Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 06:45:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA06252; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 06:45:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA10113 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 06:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA16355 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 06:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA15372 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 06:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leon-at-home (cust014.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.14]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA30235 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 06:45:07 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980716064441.006ae100@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 06:44:41 +0000 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: My Tire is Screwed, Literally >Anyway, I need to practice with a tire repair kit anyway. >Any suggestions on what type, snot on a string, bullet-shaped >plug, mushroom patch, to get? Or should I pull off the wheel >and have it "done right" by some putz at CPS? (Notice the >quotes :-) Snot on a string will get you home - - unless you're more than 40-50 miles from home. I've used the straight rubber plugs successfully (I have some in the fuel-cell trunk if you want to borrow some.) Use the reamer to open the hole up, give the plug a liberal coating of rubber cement (liberal - so goopy that it drips) and push it in. Let it dry for a few minutes and cut it off even with the tire. It'll work until the tire is completely worn out. How much will it cost to have the tire repaired? How much wear is left in it? That should give the answer to the Coleman part of the question. Leon. PS. The Capitol 1000 required me to have a repair kit, you should have called last night, then you could be riding to work today. Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 07:31:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA06510; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 07:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA10254 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 07:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA16780 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 07:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 07:31:42 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421C0E66@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'Thomas De Boeser'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Inspections and service Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 07:29:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" LOTS of experience.. they've done nothing but treat me right the entire time I've gone there (just over 2 years). Most of them are good aquaintences, if not friends of mine. I can't speak for the work of the mechanics because I do all my own work, but they seem very knowledgable and friendly. Prices aren't outragous, but they are marked up a bit (stocking costs). If you show continued patronage, you can typically get some good discounts. Right now, I rarely pay more than what it would cost to mail-order something - and if I'm not satasfied, they'll usualy take it back. Hell, I bought a Shoie RFR helmet that I hate (still have it) and one of the owners offered to trade me, straight across, for an Arai Quamtium ($160 Shoie for a $400 Arai?!). I can't say enough good about the shop... If you're in that neck of the woods, they recommend going to the Exxon on 193 down towards the Greenbelt shopping center.. never been there myself, but I trust their recommendations. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- From: Thomas De Boeser Sent: Thursday, July 16, 1998 8:26 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Inspections and service Hi, I need to get my bike a MD state inspection, I spoke to a MC shop who recommended I go to gas station because they have no motivation to rip me off. I believe this is probably good adivce. Does anyone know of gas station that will do a state inspection? I'm trying to avoid calling a hundred stations. Also, during the "Colman Sucks" thread a few mentioned their fav MC shop's. Does anybody have experience with "The Motorcycle Shop" in College Park? -- Thomas De Boeser Interactive Insurance Services http://www.insuremarket.com a subsidiary of Intuit, Inc. http://www.quicken.com Alexandria, VA http://www.alex.org/ ~~~~~~~~ "It ain't broke, it just lacks duct tape." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 08:19:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06800; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10898 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17289 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:19:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm1-08.dial.nova.org (pm1-08.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.136]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id IAA29491 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:19:19 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: More govt interference at Deals Gap Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:19:21 GMT Message-ID: <35b14100.6168126@beta.nova.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In their final effort to discourage bikers from riding Deal's Gap the Tennessee Highway Commission has rerouted US 129 through a 2 mile (take out the curves and it's not that long) straight tunnel. Photo at http://www.mindspring.com/~bobquincy/dealsgap.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 08:21:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06811; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10921 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17335 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:21:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:22:07 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421C0E68@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: early morning antics.. Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:20:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Pulled up to my first stoplight this morning - first in line (4 lanes across.. 2 left turns, one straight and a right turn) in the 2nd lane (left turn to swing wide - where you should never be.. :P). Lady that was following me, goes into the other left turn lane. A few seconds later, a guy in some beatup econo-box car pulls up in the straight lane, and I notice he has his left turn light on. I shake my head and watch the lights (I hope everyone watches lights so they know when they're about to change.. it's easy, and you can get away from all the BDC morons behind you). The guy in the straight lane starts gunning the engine and sliding forward.. I take note, and figure there's nothing to worry about. Lights get ready to change, I snick it into first and get set to go.. lights turn green, I let loose with moderate passion.. and gave everyone a show as I slide the rear tire all the way through the corner. My Metzler ME1 Compk didn't hold worth shit once I put a little power and some lean angle to it. Anyway.. it was kinda fun, and I had a huge grin the rest of my way to work (all 30 miles)... I don't advise attempting this antic myself.. would have been easy for me to over gas the beast and go down.. and all those other silly warnings.. :P Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 08:35:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06889; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11109 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17518 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:34:59 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256644.004572BA ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:38:33 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256644.00454854.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:38:32 -0400 Subject: Re: More govt interference at Deals Gap Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline >In their final effort to discourage bikers from riding Deal's Gap the >Tennessee Highway Commission has rerouted US 129 through a 2 mile >(take out the curves and it's not that long) straight tunnel. >Photo at >http://www.mindspring.com/~bobquincy/dealsgap.jpg Yea they built it last night while we were sleeping. Sneaky bastards. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 08:35:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06898; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11120 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17534 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA32717; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:36:03 -0400 Message-ID: <35AF44FF.F3D10623@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:35:11 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More govt interference at Deals Gap References: <35b14100.6168126@beta.nova.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All Right !!! Turning the engine cut-off switch off and back on to make a backfire in a tunnel is MUCH more satisfying than a bunch of little curves. When can we go again? Leon. Kirk Roy wrote: > > In their final effort to discourage bikers from riding Deal's Gap the > Tennessee Highway Commission has rerouted US 129 through a 2 mile > (take out the curves and it's not that long) straight tunnel. > > Photo at > http://www.mindspring.com/~bobquincy/dealsgap.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 08:44:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06938; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11216 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (known gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17675 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) with SMTP; 17 Jul 1998 12:44:26 UT Received: from thebes.sprintlink.net (thebes.res.sprintlink.net [199.0.235.35]) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA10407 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by thebes.sprintlink.net (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA11939; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:44:21 -0400 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:44:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More govt interference at Deals Gap In-Reply-To: <35b14100.6168126@beta.nova.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 17 Jul 1998, Kirk Roy wrote: > In their final effort to discourage bikers from riding Deal's Gap the > Tennessee Highway Commission has rerouted US 129 through a 2 mile > (take out the curves and it's not that long) straight tunnel. > > Photo at > http://www.mindspring.com/~bobquincy/dealsgap.jpg > Argh.. stop this craziness. The deals gap is open, theyre not ticketing bikers, they are *NOT* requiring you to wear a shaved squirrel on your head when riding through there, you can have BOTH testicles and still ride it, and there is no "20 wheel minimum" as some have claimed. Please, please, accept the fact that there's no government conspiracy on this. None of this stuff is true. This is the "good times" hoax for motorcyclists. Alex. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 08:53:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA06978; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA11306 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA17780 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yxA0M-0000hk-00; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:52:54 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:51:25 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D825545@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'McCoy, Brian P HQ02'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: early morning antics.. Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:48:59 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain It is funny when a cager attempts to beat a bike, isn't it? I had it happen to me, yesterday...seems to happen a lot with the young men at red lights...boy is it fun leaving them in the dust!! - Jeannette > Anyway.. it was kinda fun, and I had a huge grin the rest of my way to > work (all 30 miles)... I don't advise attempting this antic myself.. > would have been easy for me to over gas the beast and go down.. and > all > those other silly warnings.. :P > > Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM > US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 > Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 09:13:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07142; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:13:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11897 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18144 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA03790 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 06:13:08 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 06:13:08 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: early morning antics.. Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 06:14:18 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >It is funny when a cager attempts to beat a bike, isn't it? As we used to say in the Air Force: Peace through superior firepower. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 09:14:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07199; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11931 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18243 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:14:02 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256644.0049085C ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:17:42 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256644.004786A7.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:17:37 -0400 Subject: Re: More govt interference at Deals Gap Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Argh.. stop this craziness. The deals gap is open, theyre not ticketing bikers, they are *NOT* requiring you to wear a shaved squirrel on your head when riding through there, you can have BOTH testicles and still ride it, and there is no "20 wheel minimum" as some have claimed. Please, please, accept the fact that there's no government conspiracy on this. None of this stuff is true. This is the "good times" hoax for motorcyclists. Alex. Relax. My impression of the tunnel story was that it's just a humorous tongue in cheek posting that was intended to illicit a chuckle from all of us. It's just a joke folks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 09:20:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07480; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12250 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18720 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA00303 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:20:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: More govt interference at Deals Gap In-Reply-To: <85256644.004786A7.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 17 Jul 1998 sbeck@XXXXXX wrote: > Argh.. stop this craziness. The deals gap is open, theyre not > ticketing bikers, they are *NOT* requiring you to wear a shaved > squirrel on your head when riding through there, you can have > BOTH testicles and still ride it, and there is no "20 wheel > minimum" as some have claimed. > > Relax. My impression of the tunnel story was that it's just a humorous > tongue in cheek posting that was intended to illicit a chuckle from all of > us. > > It's just a joke folks. While the post was indeed a joke (and a pretty obvious one, I thought) it's not true that no one is being ticketed. There is, in real life, a greater police prescense at Deals Gap on the weekends. The DC-Cycles Deals Gap trip witnessed it. Plenty of folks I know who have no sense of humor have told me stories of things they've personally witnessed there. I've seen race bikes (no lights, turn signals, etc) running the Gap and understand the need for some sort of enforcement. BTW, the Good Times virus was only funny to some little pricks at whatever university the thing started at... There were a lot of good jokes about it but the hoax itself lacked any real humor. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 09:25:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07515; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12611 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18873 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA00402 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:25:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: More govt interference at Deals Gap In-Reply-To: <35AF44FF.F3D10623@illuminet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 17 Jul 1998, Leon Begeman wrote: > All Right !!! Turning the engine cut-off switch off and back on to make > a backfire in a tunnel is MUCH more satisfying than a bunch of little > curves. When can we go again? I have yet to come up with the nerve to actually try this. I somehow fear damage. Perhaps now that I've realized my bike is a heap of junk I should just go ahead... However, I have found that I can make quite a bit of noise in tunnels without resorting to such tricks. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 09:29:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07552; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12701 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:29:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18946 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by kcgw1.att.com; Fri Jul 17 08:27 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA09435 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:27:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDB165.0F760D10@XXXXXX>; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:27:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Shenandoah Valley Ride Out of state question Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:26:57 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone on the DC cycles list care to respond to the following post from the VFR list? (I thought someone would probably know better than me the proper information to give them ---Thanks!) --John '98 VFR GO RIDE!! Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:02:47 -0400 From: "rocky-fay" Subject: Shenandoah Valley Ride X-Message-Number: 019 Tried the archives without success. Anyone ridden in the Shenandoah Valley area of Virginia? We've done the Blue Ridge Parkway as far north as Boone, NC and are considering this area for this fall's vacation ride. Any info will be appreciated, either on list or off. Thanks. (Yes, we've done the internet search already) Fay Kilgore '93 VFR - TheGreat White Suwanee, GA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 09:31:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07585; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12765 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19025 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 359; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:30:29 -0400 Message-ID: <35AF5204.7E1CCB7E@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:30:44 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: AMA Bike To Work Day References: <199807170427.AAA02895@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zbig sent us all scurrying for cover with the following: > OK, OK, > it is > Honda, > Black, > XX, > 1997, > 8k miles. > Another 'Bird in family. Zbig, Congrats! I wish you much better luck with this one! :) Ride Safe! Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 09:33:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07635; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12818 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (known gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19100 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) with SMTP; 17 Jul 1998 13:33:13 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA14092; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:33:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: sbeck@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More govt interference at Deals Gap In-Reply-To: <85256644.004786A7.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Relax. My impression of the tunnel story was that it's just a humorous > tongue in cheek posting that was intended to illicit a chuckle from all of > us. > > It's just a joke folks. Yeah I noticed that when I went to the website, which was AFTER I fired off the email. Open mouth, insert foot, etc.. I'm just a tad sensitive with all the stupidity surrounding this for the past 2 weeks.. I was just thinking to myself "Finally.. it died down" and this morning it was like "NooooOO!" Alex. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 09:34:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07654; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12854 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cais.cais.com (known cais.cais.net [199.0.216.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19137 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:34:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (ppp36.net-A.dc.net [205.252.61.36]) by cais.cais.com (8.8.5/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id JAA28071 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980717093330.006b26d0@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:33:30 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Mike Subject: Re: AMA Bike To Work Day In-Reply-To: <199807170427.AAA02895@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> References: <199807170115.VAA16392@seismo.CSS.GOV> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:27 AM 7/17/98 -0400, you wrote: >> > >> >> Zbig writes: > >OK, OK, >it is >Honda, >Black, >XX, >1997, >8k miles. >Another 'Bird in family. > > COOL, congratulations Zbig ! glad to see you riding again :-) and a nice couch to boot when you get home from ridin with the double yellow mofo gang :-) Mike B 98 ZX900R From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 09:37:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07676; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12939 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19194 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:38:05 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421C0E78@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: More govt interference at Deals Gap Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:36:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You're not the only one who's never done it Kirk.. I also and an intentional back-fire virgin.. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Roy Sent: Friday, July 17, 1998 9:26 AM To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: More govt interference at Deals Gap On Fri, 17 Jul 1998, Leon Begeman wrote: > All Right !!! Turning the engine cut-off switch off and back on to make > a backfire in a tunnel is MUCH more satisfying than a bunch of little > curves. When can we go again? I have yet to come up with the nerve to actually try this. I somehow fear damage. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 09:49:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07751; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13129 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:48:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19476 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807171348.JAA19476@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A61740049C; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:48:07 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:47:21 -0400 To: Thomas De Boeser , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Inspections and service In-Reply-To: <35AE9A1B.EDC4EFCA@ifscorp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:26 PM 7/16/98 -0400, Thomas De Boeser wrote: > Does anybody have experience with "The Motorcycle Shop" in >College Park? I've had l limited experience with them, but from what I've had done and from what I've heard is they're good people. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 09:49:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07750; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13127 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19472 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807171348.JAA19472@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A61040049C; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:48:03 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:42:57 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Pickup truck- 1, VFR- 0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >From the VFR and Motolist lists - > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt_Parfit%SHW@XXXXXX > [SMTP:Matt_Parfit%SHW@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 1998 12:08 PM > To: vfr-digest@XXXXXX > Subject: Houston, we have a Slight problem (long) > > I'm not Tiger Woods. I'm Aaron Slight. Well not entirely, but we do > have a few things in common. We both ride gleaming white, Honda V4's. > And, we both went over the bars of them this week in California. > Damn. > > I was headed to work yesterday morning on a two-lane road through the > Napa Valley vineyards. Wide, fast, road, with about four actual turns > in it, which I would call sweepers, the slowest of which is marked at > 40 mph, but that's mostly for top heavy hay wagons and such. > > As I rounded this turn onto a long straight (at a brisk, but not wild, > clip) I spied a small white pickup in the oncoming lane, signaling to > turn left across my path. I said to the driver, inside my helmet, > "Don't do it." At first, he didn't. But then he did. The world's > slowest turn. He could have jumped out and pushed the pickup across > my lane faster than he drove it. > > I'd already rolled off the gas when I first saw him, but I didn't > start to brake until he started the turn. I grabbed tons of brake, > but I didn't really believe in my heart that I could stop in time. > The VFR squirmed a little before impact, so I think I might have > gotten the rear in the air, or maybe locked it a little, but I don't > know if I used the rear brake or not. > > I aimed for the space between the truck's rear bumper and the double > yellow line, but it never appeared. I was on him before there was a > bike's width there. Looking back, I might have been able to swerve > into the oncoming lane and miss him, but at the time, I didn't even > consider that option. It's strange how we get our reflexes trained. > My "Don't cross the line" rule didn't allow for any sort of > exception. There was another pickup coming (nobody drives cars > anymore), and I later asked that guy how far back he was. It > sounded like I had the room to take his lane. But I don't know how > well I could have gone from panic stop to panic swerve without > throwing myself and the VFR under one pickup or the other. Coulda, > shoulda, woulda ... bah. > > Impact was my front wheel to his right taillight/bumper. I went > over the bars and opened my eyes when I stopped moving. The VFR > tumbled about 40' and I made it a good 10' more. A witness said that > both the bike and I were "somersaulting". From the looks of my > helmet, I landed on my head. Big scrape on the front of it, and an > impact mark behind one ear. I didn't slide at all. My leather > jacket has only one little scuff on the back, and it didn't even > bite through the dye. No marks on pants or boots. Small tears on > the back of one glove. > > As far as I can tell, I went over the top, flew most of the distance > horizontal (picture Superman here), then rotated 90 degrees forward > (now picture a guy standing on his head, flying through the air ass > first). When I hit, my helmet hit first, and then the rest of me > did a sudden rotation to bring my feet down last to the pavement. > I came to rest on my back with me feet down the road. I don't > recall any of it between leaving the bike and sitting up on the > ground, but judging from helmet, bruised lower back, and bruised > heels, that must be what happened. > > Cue highway patrol. Cue fire department. Cue paramedics. Much > commotion. Every person who arrived at the scene asked where the > rider was. Nobody could believe it was me. Two went so far as to > tell me to be serious. Honest, I wasn't really hurt. The driver > of the pickup who turned in front of me was sure I was dead at > first, and so was the other witness (the other oncoming pickup). > Everybody agreed that I was a walking endorsement for all the gear > I'd been wearing. > > The bike is toast. It just disintegrated all over the road. The > headlight bucket won the prize for longest distance traveled by a > non-living component. The front tire burst. There's a bite out of > the front rim. Brake calipers shattered. Radiator gone. Forks > bent all the way to the engine. Front wheel on the wrong side of > the right fork tube. Plastic like confetti. Kerker exhaust hit > from behind and above (?!). Road rash on top (?!) of tail section. > Gas tank in mint condition. > > My heels are sort of purple, and I limp from that. Lower back is > bruised, and there's a tiny trace of blood in the urine sample I > gave the emergency room (kidney impact) but otherwise, I'm fine. > I'm very lucky. So lucky that I'm considering whether or not to > press my luck and get another bike. I have to sleep on that one > for a while. But I did pick up a copy of Cycle Trader on the way > home from the emergency room -- just in case. > > The driver of the pickup just didn't see me. He was a very nice > man, and really shaken up over the whole mess. Even if I were > within my legal rights to sue him for a lifetime of beer money > and Speedvision, I wouldn't do it. That doesn't help anything. > > Thanks to my sponsors: First Gear (jacket), MotoPort (pants), > Held (gloves), and Arai for the helmet that possibly saved my > life. > > Remember friends, you are invisible on the road. It can happen > anytime and anywhere. Dress right, and don't kid yourself. > There are no free rides. And slow down just a little. > > - Matt Parfit > Former 1993 VFR pilot > mparfit@XXXXXX > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ > for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 09:49:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07756; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:49:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13135 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19480 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807171348.JAA19480@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A61940049C; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:48:09 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:51:21 -0400 To: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: My Tire is Screwed, Literally In-Reply-To: <35AEB4ED.B1051A0@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:20 PM 7/16/98 -0400, Dale Horstman wrote: >Anyway, I need to practice with a tire repair kit anyway. >Any suggestions on what type, snot on a string, bullet-shaped >plug, mushroom patch, to get? Or should I pull off the wheel >and have it "done right" by some putz at CPS? (Notice the >quotes :-) 'shrooms are the best for installed-from-outside-the-tire repairs. Patch and plug from the inside is the best overall. Some will say to replace the tire. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 09:49:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07758; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13137 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19485 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807171348.JAA19485@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A61840049C; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:48:08 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:49:32 -0400 To: "Bruce Norton" , "DC-Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Are yellow headlight bulbs legal in VA? In-Reply-To: <029401bdb126$c81d9f20$2973c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:01 PM 7/16/98 -0400, Bruce Norton wrote: >Well, are they? What about 1 white, 1 yellow? The VA Traffic Code is online at http://leg1.state.va.us/ Let us know what you find out. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 09:53:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07790; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:53:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13255 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cais.cais.com (known cais.cais.net [199.0.216.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19558 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (ppp36.net-A.dc.net [205.252.61.36]) by cais.cais.com (8.8.5/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id JAA00738 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980717095315.00695518@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:53:15 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Mike Subject: Re: More govt interference at Deals Gap In-Reply-To: References: <35b14100.6168126@beta.nova.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:44 AM 7/17/98 -0400, you wrote: >On Fri, 17 Jul 1998, Kirk Roy wrote: > >> In their final effort to discourage bikers from riding Deal's Gap the >> Tennessee Highway Commission has rerouted US 129 through a 2 mile >> (take out the curves and it's not that long) straight tunnel. >> >> Photo at >> http://www.mindspring.com/~bobquincy/dealsgap.jpg >> > >Argh.. stop this craziness. The deals gap is open, theyre not >ticketing bikers, they are *NOT* requiring you to wear a shaved >squirrel on your head when riding through there, you can have >BOTH testicles and still ride it, and there is no "20 wheel >minimum" as some have claimed. > >Please, please, accept the fact that there's no government >conspiracy on this. None of this stuff is true. This is >the "good times" hoax for motorcyclists. > >Alex. > > Thats not what agents Molder, and Scully have to say about it. this was built by the smokey man !!! Mike B 98 ZX 900R From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 09:56:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07820; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13300 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19615 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) id ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:55:17 -0400 Message-ID: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC5C@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sat ride Attendees Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:00:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) Content-Type: text/plain Anita? You're going to ride with the WSDYMG? I might show up after all. BTW Craig, it's AN updated list, not A updated list, and you really should place a comma after the word 'well'. Lookintostartsomeshitwhuddubastid, Tom M. > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig [SMTP:tleatsducks@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 1998 6:51 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Sat ride Attendees > > > Well here is a updated list of participants for Saturday : > > So far...John K. > Jon S. > Bruce N. > Brian M. > Glenn D. > Craig J. > Alex M. > Kirk R. > Sean P. > Anita > Lee N. > Roy T. ??? > Tom T. ??? > Tom G. ??? > > > hope I got all that have responded?? > > hope this is it, the group is getting way to large > will need to be 2 groups > > Craig > _________________________________________________________ > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 09:56:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07824; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13312 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cais.cais.com (known cais.cais.net [199.0.216.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19629 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (ppp36.net-A.dc.net [205.252.61.36]) by cais.cais.com (8.8.5/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id JAA01094 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980717095541.00695518@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:55:41 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Mike Subject: RE: early morning antics.. In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D825545@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Specialy when they have a Nissan 300ZX/ Dodge Viper/ etc... Mike B. 98 ZX 900R At 08:48 AM 7/17/98 -0400, you wrote: >It is funny when a cager attempts to beat a bike, isn't it? I had it >happen to me, yesterday...seems to happen a lot with the young men at >red lights...boy is it fun leaving them in the dust!! > >- Jeannette > > >> Anyway.. it was kinda fun, and I had a huge grin the rest of my way to >> work (all 30 miles)... I don't advise attempting this antic myself.. >> would have been easy for me to over gas the beast and go down.. and >> all >> those other silly warnings.. :P >> >> Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM >> US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 >> Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work >> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 09:59:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07842; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13376 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.24]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19691 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) id ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:01:51 -0400 Message-ID: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC5D@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: More govt interference at Deals Gap Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:03:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) Content-Type: text/plain But we'll probably never match the noise-fun you can have with a straight-piped Harley, blipping the throttle as you pass an expensive car and setting off the car alarm. > -----Original Message----- > From: Leon Begeman [SMTP:mrider@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, July 17, 1998 8:35 AM > To: Kirk Roy > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: More govt interference at Deals Gap > > All Right !!! Turning the engine cut-off switch off and back on to make > a backfire in a tunnel is MUCH more satisfying than a bunch of little > curves. When can we go again? > > Leon. > > Kirk Roy wrote: > > > > In their final effort to discourage bikers from riding Deal's Gap the > > Tennessee Highway Commission has rerouted US 129 through a 2 mile > > (take out the curves and it's not that long) straight tunnel. > > > > Photo at > > http://www.mindspring.com/~bobquincy/dealsgap.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 10:00:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07851; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:00:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13417 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19739 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:59:53 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256644.004D3AD7 ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:03:33 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256644.004D1B44.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:03:31 -0400 Subject: Re: More govt interference at Deals Gap Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline >I'm just a tad sensitive with all the stupidity surrounding this for >the past 2 weeks.. I was just thinking to myself "Finally.. it died >down" and this morning it was like "NooooOO!" Yea I know what you mean. I remember being pretty miffed at the mental midgets (bikers without a clue) that started the April Fools day joke about the gap. I'm guessing that they never considered the damage that having hundreds of pissed off bikers calling the Tennessee government to cuss them out could cause. If the cops weren't pissed at us enough, then they sure as Hell probably were after that fiasco. I seem to recall that it was some Goldwing association in Texas that opened that can of worms. I guess the sun bakes their craniums a little too much down there and impairs their ability to think clearly. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 10:02:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07912; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13640 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19784 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA01246 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:02:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: More govt interference at Deals Gap In-Reply-To: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC5D@RBMAIL103> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 17 Jul 1998, Mersch, Tom wrote: > But we'll probably never match the noise-fun you can have with a > straight-piped Harley, blipping the throttle as you pass an expensive car > and setting off the car alarm. Well, you need neither straight pipes not a Harley for that one. My Hawk will set off alarms sometimes. I generally try to keep the throttle in control in town though... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 10:10:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07984; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13971 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19933 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.56]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:06:51 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Mike" , Subject: RE: early morning antics.. Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:07:55 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdb18c$4b86b8a0$3880e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980717095541.00695518@mail.dc.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > Specialy when they have a Nissan 300ZX/ Dodge Viper/ etc... > I prefer Mustangs. Especially those with aftermarket exhausts. They're the squids of the cager world. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 10:10:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07990; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13990 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19936 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss1.mcit.com (omss1.mcit.com [166.37.210.30]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA22516; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omss1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19980717140938.TRN7809@localHost>; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:09:39 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: early morning antics.. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980717140938.TRN7809@localHost> Anyway.. it was kinda fun, and I had a huge grin the rest of my way to work (all 30 miles)... I don't advise attempting this antic myself.. would have been easy for me to over gas the beast and go down.. and all those other silly warnings.. :P Not to mention how embarrassing! ;) T From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 10:12:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08010; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14057 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20016 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.56]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:09:08 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: More govt interference at Deals Gap Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:10:11 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bdb18c$9caf16a0$3880e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <85256644.004D1B44.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > I seem to recall that it was some Goldwing association in Texas > that opened > that can of worms. I guess the sun bakes their craniums a little too much > down there and impairs their ability to think clearly. > I actually think it was one guy. Right now, it's going through the Wing list again, and is consuming about 1/3 of the traffic there. Enough that I'll wait a week or two after vacation before resubscribing. The big complaint is that this will turn (has turned) into the 'boy who cried wolf' syndrome. Response 'first amendment' and 'it was funny'. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 10:13:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08015; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14087 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20029 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:13:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yxBG0-00041i-00; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:13:08 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:11:35 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D82554F@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Pickup truck- 1, VFR- 0 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:09:08 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Wow! Ok, I'll admit it, I rode without jacket today & yesterday. No more. Thanks for the post. - Jeannette > Every person who arrived at the scene asked where the > > rider was. Nobody could believe it was me. Two went so far as to > > tell me to be serious. Honest, I wasn't really hurt. The driver > > of the pickup who turned in front of me was sure I was dead at > > first, and so was the other witness (the other oncoming pickup). > > Everybody agreed that I was a walking endorsement for all the gear > > I'd been wearing. > > > > - Matt Parfit > > Former 1993 VFR pilot > > mparfit@XXXXXX > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 10:13:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08019; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14103 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20037 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AB8DC00170; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:11:25 EDT Message-Id: X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:56:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: More govt interference at Deals Gap In-Reply-To: <35b14100.6168126@beta.nova.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:19 PM 7/17/98 +0000, Kirk Roy wrote: >In their final effort to discourage bikers from riding Deal's Gap the >Tennessee Highway Commission has rerouted US 129 through a 2 mile >(take out the curves and it's not that long) straight tunnel. > >Photo at >http://www.mindspring.com/~bobquincy/dealsgap.jpg Oh no, oh no! Call the Feds, call the State, call the AMA, call the MRF, call the ABATEs! The sky is falling, the sky is falling! oh ... never mind, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 10:13:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08023; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAB14116 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20051 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AB93C00170; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:11:31 EDT Message-Id: X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:58:32 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: More govt interference at Deals Gap In-Reply-To: <35AF44FF.F3D10623@illuminet.net> References: <35b14100.6168126@beta.nova.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Horns. Tunnels are the best places to do horn checks. Chris Norloff At 08:35 AM 7/17/98 -0400, Leon Begeman wrote: >All Right !!! Turning the engine cut-off switch off and back on to make >a backfire in a tunnel is MUCH more satisfying than a bunch of little >curves. When can we go again? > >Leon. > >Kirk Roy wrote: >> >> In their final effort to discourage bikers from riding Deal's Gap the >> Tennessee Highway Commission has rerouted US 129 through a 2 mile >> (take out the curves and it's not that long) straight tunnel. >> >> Photo at >> http://www.mindspring.com/~bobquincy/dealsgap.jpg > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 10:13:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08027; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14117 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20050 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AB9AC00170; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:11:38 EDT Message-Id: X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:00:39 -0400 To: "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: early morning antics.. In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D825545@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ah, the dynamics of traffic ... or ... Life in the Big City. Sometimes I zoom away from them, sometimes I like to get them all fired up then pull away slowly and let them race in front of me. I figure that way they're blocking for me. That's one good use for a car driver. Chris Norloff At 08:48 AM 7/17/98 -0400, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >It is funny when a cager attempts to beat a bike, isn't it? I had it >happen to me, yesterday...seems to happen a lot with the young men at >red lights...boy is it fun leaving them in the dust!! > >- Jeannette > > >> Anyway.. it was kinda fun, and I had a huge grin the rest of my way to >> work (all 30 miles)... I don't advise attempting this antic myself.. >> would have been easy for me to over gas the beast and go down.. and >> all >> those other silly warnings.. :P >> >> Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM >> US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 >> Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 10:13:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08031; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14122 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20058 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AB9FC00170; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:11:43 EDT Message-Id: X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:14:27 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , rocky-fay@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Shenandoah Valley Ride Out of state question In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The Shenandoah Valley is a beautiful place. If you have the time, use the Blue Ridge Parkway and the Skyline Drive to get there. If you've gone no further north than Boone on the BRP, there's a lot of very nice road left. Skyline Drive is the northern "continuation" of the BRP. The Shenandoh valley lies to the west of the Skyline Drive. Hope these links help: http://www.ioa.com/home/smma/Rdcd.html for riding conditions in the Blue Ridge & Smoky Mtns. http://www.nps.gov/blri/ for Blue Ridge Pkwy info. Chris Norloff At 09:26 AM 7/17/98 -0400, Carver, John wrote: >Anyone on the DC cycles list care to respond to the following post >from the VFR list? (I thought someone would probably know better than >me the proper information to give them ---Thanks!) > >--John >'98 VFR >GO RIDE!! > > >Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:02:47 -0400 >From: "rocky-fay" >Subject: Shenandoah Valley Ride > X-Message-Number: 019 > >Tried the archives without success. Anyone ridden in the Shenandoah >Valley area of Virginia? We've done the Blue Ridge Parkway as far >north as Boone, NC and are considering this area for this fall's >vacation ride. Any info will be appreciated, either on list or off. > Thanks. (Yes, we've done the internet search already) >Fay Kilgore >'93 VFR - TheGreat White >Suwanee, GA > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 10:20:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08079; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14490 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20282 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA13323; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980717141809.KIRP8978@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:18:09 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pickup truck- 1, VFR- 0 X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980717141809.KIRP8978@[166.41.242.141]> Thanks Chris. T From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 10:29:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08165; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14713 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1a.yahoomail.com (known send1a.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.22]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20519 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980717142803.5447.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1a; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 07:28:03 PDT Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 07:28:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: RE: More govt interference at Deals Gap To: "Mersch, Tom" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hell thats become my favorite thing ...ridind thru the lot at work and listening to the alarms go off....hehehehehhe _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 10:32:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08205; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14765 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1c.yahoomail.com (known send1c.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20567 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980717143423.5249.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1c; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 07:34:23 PDT Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 07:34:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: RE: Sat ride Attendees To: "Mersch, Tom" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii R-u-now...well which slug will you be sitting on the back of tomorrow.. ---"Mersch, Tom" wrote: > Lookintostartsomeshitwhuddubastid, > Tom M. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 10:52:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08398; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14991 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20997 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 346; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:51:33 -0400 Message-ID: <35AF6507.2B95DBD@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:51:51 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: My Tire is Screwed, Literally References: <19980717134540640.AAA196.255@piglet.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A mushroom from the outside? Don't think I've ever seen that. And I definitely plan on replacing the tire - in another 3-4,000 miles :-) I figure I can easily run with a plug for that much, it won't take very long to wear out the tire at the rate I'm going. Knock on wood and all that. Chris Norloff wrote: > > 'shrooms are the best for installed-from-outside-the-tire repairs. > Patch > and plug from the inside is the best overall. Some will say to replace the > tire. > > Chris Norloff -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 11:05:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08631; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15223 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1a.yahoomail.com (known send1a.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.22]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21572 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980717150317.3913.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send1a; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:03:17 PDT Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:03:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Saturday's Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well gang since we are looking at having such a big turn-out ... A couple of us regular WSGDYMOFO thought we better let you all that plan on coming , know what you are getting in for... A the size is so large we are going to split it up into 2 groups.... The 1st group will be the regular WSGDYMOFO fast guys and some of the new-comers who think they are fast... 2nd group will be the rest ot he new comers and a leader from the WSGDYMOFO ....we can depart together if you want and travel as a large group for the first leg...but once off into the twistys , the first group is going to disappear.... We can meet at gas stops along the way or when we have lunch... this way everyone can fit into a group of their comfort/abality levels.....I'm sure Tom Mersch will be in the 2nd group... Comments ?????? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 11:07:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08653; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15241 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:06:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA21637 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yxC62-0003O2-00; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:06:54 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:05:25 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D825557@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Friend Buying a ZX6 from Coleman... Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:03:00 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain A friend of mine is seriously considering buying a used '96 ZX6 from Coleman & is wondering if anyone has had any bad experiences with them. I told her yes, but she seems to want specifics. I guess that means info. from anyone who's bought a bike there (used) & had good or bad experiences. Thanks! - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 11:30:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08940; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15630 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (known gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22682 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) with SMTP; 17 Jul 1998 15:29:57 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA21347; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:29:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friend Buying a ZX6 from Coleman... In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D825557@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 17 Jul 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > A friend of mine is seriously considering buying a used '96 ZX6 from > Coleman & is wondering if anyone has had any bad experiences with them. > I told her yes, but she seems to want specifics. I guess that means > info. from anyone who's bought a bike there (used) & had good or bad > experiences. > > Thanks! > > - Jeannette Buy from private owners.. you will almost never find a better price from a dealer than you will from a private owner.. and while the guys at the dealership are slick salesmen types, the owner is a genuine motorcycle enthusiast who can tell you everything about the bike, and just wants to get a fair price for it. What are your friends concerns? Is she afraid of dropped bikes? If not, I can get her some excellent deals.. if she is, she can still find something from a private owner at a better price.. Why is she inclined to buy from the dealer.. warranty? Financing? I guess I'm not really answering your question, but I'm always puzzled why people buy used from dealers. Sorry if it seems combatative/confrontational.. just wondering what made her decide to do it, thats all. I'm too cheap to buy from one myself. Alex. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 11:57:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09292; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15884 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23481 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA17070; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980717155658.LERA5751@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:56:58 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friend Buying a ZX6 from Coleman... X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980717155658.LERA5751@[166.41.242.141]> I bought my CB750 there. Paid $4,700 for a 1992, plus shipping/setup/taxes/and all the little crap. Cash, bring it. Put it on the salesmans desk. This only works if you really want the bike and don't intend to haggle. Worked for me. Todd Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D825557@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Friend Buying a ZX6 from Coleman... Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:03:00 -0400 A friend of mine is seriously considering buying a used '96 ZX6 from Coleman & is wondering if anyone has had any bad experiences with them. I told her yes, but she seems to want specifics. I guess that means info. from anyone who's bought a bike there (used) & had good or bad experiences. Thanks! - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 12:00:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09331; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15957 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23534 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA01958; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:59:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980717155937.LILR8978@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:59:37 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Craig CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Still: Saturday's Ride X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980717155937.LILR8978@[166.41.242.141]> Craig wrote: >Well gang since we are looking at having such a big turn-out ... >A couple of us regular WSGDYMOFO thought we better let you all that >plan on coming , know what you are getting in for... > >A the size is so large we are going to split it up into 2 groups.... > >The 1st group will be the regular WSGDYMOFO fast guys and some of the >new-comers who think they are fast... > >2nd group will be the rest ot he new comers and a leader from the >WSGDYMOFO ....we can depart together if you want and travel as a large >group for the first leg...but once off into the twistys , the first >group is going to disappear.... > >We can meet at gas stops along the way or when we have lunch... > >this way everyone can fit into a group of their comfort/abality >levels.....I'm sure Tom Mersch will be in the 2nd group... > >Comments ?????? Just a couple..... - Try not bring any crash reports back to the list this weekend. - Nothing against crossing doubles to maintain pace, but you guys are starting to sound like a bunch of braggart squids. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 12:00:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09335; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15963 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23541 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA06374; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:00:50 -0400 Message-ID: <35AF74FD.B47DCD2B@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:59:57 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Milenkovic CC: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friend Buying a ZX6 from Coleman... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alex Milenkovic wrote: > Buy from private owners.. you will almost never find a better price > from a dealer than you will from a private owner.. I agree with Alex. If paranoid, spent a little extra and have a competent mechanic check it first. My neighbor sold his 4 year old Vulcan 750 with 2500 miles on it, Coleman bought it and paid his asking price. Need I say more? Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 12:04:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09388; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16035 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA23695 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) id ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:04:03 -0400 Message-ID: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC5E@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Saturday's Ride Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:08:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) Content-Type: text/plain Yeh, I'll be on my Slug -- it's the latest model from Suzuki Tom M. > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig [SMTP:tleatsducks@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, July 17, 1998 11:03 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Saturday's Ride > > > Well gang since we are looking at having such a big turn-out ... > A couple of us regular WSGDYMOFO thought we better let you all that > plan on coming , know what you are getting in for... > > A the size is so large we are going to split it up into 2 groups.... > > The 1st group will be the regular WSGDYMOFO fast guys and some of the > new-comers who think they are fast... > > > 2nd group will be the rest ot he new comers and a leader from the > WSGDYMOFO ....we can depart together if you want and travel as a large > group for the first leg...but once off into the twistys , the first > group is going to disappear.... > > We can meet at gas stops along the way or when we have lunch... > > this way everyone can fit into a group of their comfort/abality > levels.....I'm sure Tom Mersch will be in the 2nd group... > > Comments ?????? > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 12:08:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09537; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16113 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24024 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:14:15 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: "Mersch, Tom" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sat ride Attendees Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:14:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain On Friday, July 17, 1998 10:00 AM, Mersch, Tom [SMTP:merscht@XXXXXX] wrote: > Anita? You're going to ride with the WSDYMG? I might show up after all. Just call me crazy! :-) Actually, I just want to ride as much as possible before the WV trip... if I get to do 150-200 miles on Saturday (might not do the whole ride) and 300+ on Sunday, that'd be great. Since it looks like the Saturday ride will be split into two groups, it should work out well. Weather is looking great as well! Anita '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 12:25:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10135; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16326 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1b.yahoomail.com (known send1b.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25073 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980717162425.21755.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send1b; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:24:25 PDT Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:24:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: Still: Saturday's Ride To: Todd Peer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Perhaps you should join us sometime to see what it's like....you may enjoy it ...or is it above your comfort level ???? ---Todd Peer wrote: > - Nothing against crossing doubles to maintain pace, but you guys are > starting to sound like a bunch of braggart squids. > > Todd > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 12:31:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10252; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:31:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16375 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1c.yahoomail.com (known send1c.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25306 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980717163343.14575.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send1c; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:33:43 PDT Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:33:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: Still: Saturday's Ride To: Todd Peer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii We always emplore all the riders not to ride above their comfort /ability levels...if you find we are going to fast for you then move to the back of the group...we will not lose you or leave you to get lost...we will wait for you at the next intersection or somewhere .....I/we are not in control of "your" bike "you" are , and you need to be riding at your level not mine... ---Todd Peer wrote: > > - Try not bring any crash reports back to the list this weekend. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 12:35:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10333; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16445 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (known camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25475 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (user-37kbm51.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.216.161]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA10982; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:34:55 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDB17F.4D6A0A80.zellto@mindspring.com> From: "Thomas W.Zell" Reply-To: "zellto@XXXXXX" To: "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: New Thread...Wheelies!! Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:34:54 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My first wheelie experience happened on my '87 Honda CR250R. I was heading back to my friends house from the spot we were riding at. He had a flat so I was going to get a pump so we could get the bike back to the house. I hadn't ridden the bike very much as it was new to me, but I knew it had a lot of power. I was gonig across US-1... I hadn't judged the traffic properly and was going to get pegged... I jumped on the throttle hard and next thing I know the CR is standing just about straight up with me holding on for dear life!! IU went across all four lanes of traffic plus into my fdriend's front yard that way! In the end it was pretty cool!! The most fun wheelie I ever did was with my friend Lenzy. We were on my CB750 drag bike heading down RT-236 in front of Pep Boys. I nailed the throttle to go around some folks and (I guess it was a combination of the RPM and the extra weight on the rear) all of the sudden I've got the front end about 3 feet up in the air!!! Too cool... we kept these games up for the rest of the trip back to his house. I miss that bike... : ( -Tom '86 VFR750R -----Original Message----- From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 1998 12:40 PM To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: New Thread...Wheelies!! Ok, ok, I know I'll have to eat crow after everyone reads this... I know I said a long time ago that I don't understand the need to do wheelies, yada yada yada. Now I think I wanna try one. Can everyone tell me their funniest stories about their first time trying a wheelie?? : ) - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 12:38:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10348; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:38:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16489 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25560 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yxDW8-00027O-00; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:37:56 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:36:25 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8883B4@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Todd Peer'" , Craig Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Still: Saturday's Ride Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:33:59 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain ROTFL > > > >Comments ?????? > > Just a couple..... > > - Try not bring any crash reports back to the list this weekend. > > - Nothing against crossing doubles to maintain pace, but you guys are > starting to sound like a bunch of braggart squids. > > Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 12:38:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10379; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16495 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25581 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA04361 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:38:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:38:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Saturday's Ride In-Reply-To: <19980717150317.3913.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 17 Jul 1998, Craig wrote: > 2nd group will be the rest ot he new comers and a leader from the > WSGDYMOFO ....we can depart together if you want and travel as a large > group for the first leg...but once off into the twistys , the first > group is going to disappear.... I would be glad to lead the second group, so long as good directions are available and/or the 1st group stops where turns are to be made. I'll run the group in lowest common denominator mode. That is, we'll attempt to follow the pace/comfort level of the slowest person in the group. We'll have a fun safe ride. Don't worry too much about Craig's bravado. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 12:44:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10453; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:44:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16589 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.24]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25741 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) id ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:46:54 -0400 Message-ID: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC60@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" Cc: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: Still: Saturday's Ride Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:48:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) Content-Type: text/plain We are not braggarts ;) > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, July 17, 1998 11:53 AM > To: Craig > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Still: Saturday's Ride > > > > >Comments ?????? > > Just a couple..... > > - Try not bring any crash reports back to the list this weekend. > > - Nothing against crossing doubles to maintain pace, but you guys are > starting to sound like a bunch of braggart squids. > > Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 12:55:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10723; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:55:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16791 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26310 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:55:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yxDmt-00054O-00; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:55:15 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:53:44 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8883B9@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Craig'" , Todd Peer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Still: Saturday's Ride Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:51:17 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I've personally found in life that the ones who are best at something have no need to brag about it. Example: Collin, Todd. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig [SMTP:tleatsducks@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, July 17, 1998 12:24 PM > To: Todd Peer > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Still: Saturday's Ride > > > Perhaps you should join us sometime to see what it's like....you may > enjoy it ...or is it above your comfort level ???? > > > > ---Todd Peer wrote: > > > - Nothing against crossing doubles to maintain pace, but you guys > are > > starting to sound like a bunch of braggart squids. > > > > Todd > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 13:00:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10814; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16913 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26461 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yxDrj-0005u1-00; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:00:15 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:58:44 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8883BA@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Craig'" , Todd Peer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Still: Saturday's Ride Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:56:17 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Well said. > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig [SMTP:tleatsducks@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, July 17, 1998 12:34 PM > To: Todd Peer > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Still: Saturday's Ride > > > We always emplore all the riders not to ride above their comfort > /ability levels...if you find we are going to fast for you then move > to the back of the group...we will not lose you or leave you to get > lost...we will wait for you at the next intersection or somewhere > .....I/we are not in control of "your" bike "you" are , and you need > to be riding at your level not mine... > > > > ---Todd Peer wrote: > > > > - Try not bring any crash reports back to the list this weekend. > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 13:02:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10854; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:02:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16933 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:02:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26536 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:02:14 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421C0E99@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: braggart squids.. Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:00:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Personally, I'd rather be called a braggart than a squid.. to me squid implys ignorance. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- From: Mersch, Tom Sent: Friday, July 17, 1998 12:48 PM Cc: 'dc-cycles' Subject: RE: Still: Saturday's Ride We are not braggarts ;) > > - Nothing against crossing doubles to maintain pace, but you guys are > starting to sound like a bunch of braggart squids. > > Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 13:14:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11200; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17130 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27132 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA05032 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:14:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Still: Saturday's Ride In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8883B9@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 17 Jul 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > I've personally found in life that the ones who are best at something > have no need to brag about it. I would agree. I know one gentleman who is the nicest, most self-effacing person you could meet. He will pay other riders all kinds of compliments and will never play up what he can do nor mention his background. He just retired from pro-AMA racing in 94 and I wouldn't have known if someone else who followed racing more closely hadn't told me. While he's not Max Biaggi (who is not self effacing or humble but is in fact one of the best) you've got to be really good to make your living from racing (and he's got a nice house...). Craig, you do lay it on pretty thick sometimes... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 13:17:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11250; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17206 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27295 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807171717.NAA27295@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A6E7600294; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:16:23 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:09:08 -0400 To: Dale Horstman From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: My Tire is Screwed, Literally Cc: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <35AF6507.2B95DBD@tidalwave.net> References: <19980717134540640.AAA196.255@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I haven't seen or used one, but understand it's the kind you put in with one of those nifty "guns". Chris Norloff *************************************************** At 10:51 AM 7/17/98 -0400, Dale Horstman wrote: >A mushroom from the outside? Don't think >I've ever seen that. > >And I definitely plan on replacing the tire - >in another 3-4,000 miles :-) I figure I can >easily run with a plug for that much, it won't >take very long to wear out the tire at the rate >I'm going. Knock on wood and all that. > > >Chris Norloff wrote: >> >> 'shrooms are the best for installed-from-outside-the-tire repairs. >> Patch > and plug from the inside is the best overall. Some will say to replace the >> tire. >> >> Chris Norloff > >-- >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's >horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here > who think I am normal!" - Me > >1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" >1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 13:22:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11308; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17277 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:21:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA.ORG (known NB160-194.ibtnet.com [206.135.160.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27509 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:21:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA-Message_Server by ACA.ORG with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:18:46 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:21:09 -0400 From: David Wakefield To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, jlobrien@XXXXXX, tleatsducks@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Still: Saturday's Ride -Reply "I've personally found in life that the ones who are best at something have no need to brag about it. Example: Collin, Todd." I've personally found that the folks who don't need to brag about being the best usually have THE BEST FAN CLUB and/or CHEERING SECTION behind them. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 13:25:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11396; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17336 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (known gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27728 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) with SMTP; 17 Jul 1998 17:25:32 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA26640; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:19:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: "'Todd Peer'" , Craig , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Still: Saturday's Ride In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8883B4@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 17 Jul 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > ROTFL > > > > > > >Comments ?????? > > > > Just a couple..... > > > > - Try not bring any crash reports back to the list this weekend. > > > > - Nothing against crossing doubles to maintain pace, but you guys are > > starting to sound like a bunch of braggart squids. > > > > Todd To be quite honest, I'm having trouble finding where they "bragged." I was the one who suggested we break into two groups, as there are a "core group" of riders who go quickly (and apparently make a regular outing on saturdays at 8 from the amoco), and a large turnout of people that haven't ridden with them before (Me Included). I dont think Craig was trying to brag - just be practical. Alex. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 13:33:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11487; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17495 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27988 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA05358 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:32:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Streetfighter style bikes Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Here's a link to some interesting stuff if you like the streetfighter style (sorta like the Triumph Speed Triple): http://www.motoventure.com/ It's a general look that I'm partial to (although I can't see polishing all that shiny aluminum every time it rains. What? You simply don't ride when it rains?). Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 13:38:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11665; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17576 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:38:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send101.yahoomail.com (known send101.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.87]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28360 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980717173746.22671.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send101.yahoomail.com; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:37:46 PDT Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:37:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: RE: Still: Saturday's Ride To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , Todd Peer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii no bragging here, just an invitation to join us and see how we ride , before anyone makes any judgements about a ride group.....WSGDYMOFO knows my abilities...and i know my limit ---"O'Brien, Jeannette" wrote: > > I've personally found in life that the ones who are best at something > have no need to brag about it. > Example: Collin, Todd. > > - Jeannette > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Craig [SMTP:tleatsducks@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, July 17, 1998 12:24 PM > > To: Todd Peer > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Still: Saturday's Ride > > > > > > Perhaps you should join us sometime to see what it's like....you may > > enjoy it ...or is it above your comfort level ???? > > > > > > > > ---Todd Peer wrote: > > > > > - Nothing against crossing doubles to maintain pace, but you guys > > are > > > starting to sound like a bunch of braggart squids. > > > > > > Todd > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 13:39:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11743; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:39:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17591 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:38:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28444 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p25dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.57]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA06098; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:12:25 -0400 Message-ID: <002d01bdb1a6$0dd6a460$42f31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "'Craig'" , "Todd Peer" Cc: Subject: Re: Still: Saturday's Ride Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:12:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 I didn't see any bragging..... Everybody knows Todd and Collin are _excellent_ riders. Others will find out this weekend how good Craig is (if they can even see him). My view of it is that Craig is warning everybody not to try to keep a pace that is too quick for them. Damn good advice, IMHO. -----Original Message----- From: O'Brien, Jeannette To: 'Craig' ; Todd Peer Cc: Date: Friday, July 17, 1998 1:06 PM Subject: RE: Still: Saturday's Ride >I've personally found in life that the ones who are best at something >have no need to brag about it. >Example: Collin, Todd. > >- Jeannette > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Craig [SMTP:tleatsducks@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Friday, July 17, 1998 12:24 PM >> To: Todd Peer >> Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Re: Still: Saturday's Ride >> >> >> Perhaps you should join us sometime to see what it's like....you may >> enjoy it ...or is it above your comfort level ???? >> >> >> >> ---Todd Peer wrote: >> >> > - Nothing against crossing doubles to maintain pace, but you guys >> are >> > starting to sound like a bunch of braggart squids. >> > >> > Todd -- Tom Gimer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 13:47:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11898; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17724 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1b.yahoomail.com (known send1b.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28808 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980717174649.18015.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send1b; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:46:49 PDT Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:46:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: RE: Still: Saturday's Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > ---Craig wrote: > > > > > > no bragging here, just an invitation to join us and see how we ride , > > before anyone makes any judgements about a ride group.....WSGDYMOFO > > knows my abilities...and i know my limit > > > > > > > > ---"O'Brien, Jeannette" wrote: > > > > > > I've personally found in life that the ones who are best at > something > > > have no need to brag about it. > > > Example: Collin, Todd. > > > > > > - Jeannette > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Craig [SMTP:tleatsducks@XXXXXX] > > > > Sent: Friday, July 17, 1998 12:24 PM > > > > To: Todd Peer > > > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > > Subject: Re: Still: Saturday's Ride > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps you should join us sometime to see what it's like....you > may > > > > enjoy it ...or is it above your comfort level ???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---Todd Peer wrote: > > > > > > > > > - Nothing against crossing doubles to maintain pace, but you > guys > > > > are > > > > > starting to sound like a bunch of braggart squids. > > > > > > > > > > Todd > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 14:29:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13176; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18310 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01518 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807171828.OAA01518@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A7BEB60294; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:28:14 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:30:21 -0400 To: pete@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Fwd: LDRider: Speed Trap Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >This needs to happen more often. >http://www.cnn.com/US/9807/16/fringe/speed.trap.ap/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 14:38:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13349; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18480 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01972 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA26176; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:36:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980717183658.MVTP8978@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:36:58 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Kirk Roy CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Streetfighter style bikes X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980717183658.MVTP8978@[166.41.242.141]> I particularly like the third entry on this page: http://www.motoventure.com/streetfightercont.htm Suzuki GZX-R T Kirk Roy wrote: >Here's a link to some interesting stuff if you like the streetfighter >style (sorta like the Triumph Speed Triple): > >http://www.motoventure.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 14:40:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13405; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18523 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02042 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:40:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA22450 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:40:40 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:40:40 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Still: Saturday's Ride Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:41:51 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >My view of it is that Craig is warning everybody not to try to keep a pace >that is too quick for them. Damn good advice, IMHO. I'll second that - you have to ride your own ride Nothing (well, almost nothing) will get you into trouble more quickly than riding over your head. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 14:47:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13473; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:47:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18600 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com (known tangerine.uucom.com [198.202.217.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02210 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tangerine.uucom.com (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA07689 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807171847.OAA07689@tangerine.uucom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Matthew Whalen Subject: Re: Fwd: LDRider: Speed Trap In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:30:21 EDT." <199807171828.OAA01518@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:47:08 -0400 Sender: dakota@XXXXXX I think I heard Chris Norloff say: >>This needs to happen more often. >>http://www.cnn.com/US/9807/16/fringe/speed.trap.ap/ Yeah.. it sure is a great idea to bankrupt a town. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 14:48:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13493; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18652 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02255 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:48:50 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256644.0067AE71 ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:52:28 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256644.00679CD8.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:52:25 -0400 Subject: Re: Fwd: LDRider: Speed Trap Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline >This needs to happen more often. >http://www.cnn.com/US/9807/16/fringe/speed.trap.ap/ Amen to that my friend. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 15:03:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13660; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18962 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02749 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807171902.PAA02749@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AFB910C0294; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:02:17 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:06:19 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Fwd: LDRider: Speed Trap In-Reply-To: <199807171847.OAA07689@tangerine.uucom.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:47 PM 7/17/98 -0400, Matthew Whalen wrote: > >I think I heard Chris Norloff say: >>>This needs to happen more often. >>>http://www.cnn.com/US/9807/16/fringe/speed.trap.ap/ > >Yeah.. it sure is a great idea to bankrupt a town. Yes, if the town politicians are greedy money-grubbers who use traffic stops only as revenue generators, and who whisk the money off where the citizens can't use it. It's a good warning to both the politicians and the citizens who voted them into office. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 15:04:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13676; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:04:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18995 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:04:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02814 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA07326 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:04:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Paging Tom Gimer Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Tom, Pardon the bandwidth... Lost the addy... If you're coming tomorrow and you'll have something to carry it I'll bring my copy of TOTW2 for you. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 15:05:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13703; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19006 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02827 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p28dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.60]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA09744; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:04:52 -0400 Message-ID: <007501bdb1b5$c2ef46e0$42f31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: , "Matthew Whalen" Subject: Re: Fwd: LDRider: Speed Trap Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:04:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 If the town was stupid enough to have four full-time ticketwriters on the payroll when it didn't need _any_, I say f*ck 'em. Bankruptcy doesn't mean jack these days anyway. Just a way of getting out of your responsibilities. -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Whalen To: Date: Friday, July 17, 1998 2:55 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: LDRider: Speed Trap > >I think I heard Chris Norloff say: >>>This needs to happen more often. >>>http://www.cnn.com/US/9807/16/fringe/speed.trap.ap/ > >Yeah.. it sure is a great idea to bankrupt a town. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 15:06:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13731; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19030 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02924 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:25:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , rocky-fay@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Shenandoah Valley Ride Out of state question Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:25:13 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Actually, the BRP is the southern extension of Skyline drive which was built first. :-) Glenn Dysart > The Shenandoah Valley is a beautiful place. If you have the time, use the > Blue Ridge Parkway and the Skyline Drive to get there. If you've gone no > further north than Boone on the BRP, there's a lot of very nice road left. > Skyline Drive is the northern "continuation" of the BRP. The Shenandoh > valley lies to the west of the Skyline Drive. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 15:06:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13739; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19036 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02932 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:19:12 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Saturday's Ride Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:18:49 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Just want to let everyone know what to expect on Saturday's ride. First of all, RIDE AT YOUR OWN PACE! The W-S-D-Y-M-G will be doing their normal riding which includes riding near the speed limit in the straights and a fast pace through the turns. If enough people show up we will split the riders into a fast and slower paced groups. If its the normal turnout of people (about 6-8) we will slow down and wait in the straights or when turning onto a different road we will stop and wait. We'd just like everyone to make it back home in one piece with no damage to their bikes. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 15:06:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13738; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19041 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02935 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:22:12 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Bruce Norton'" , "Thomas H. Gimer" , DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Brake Line Success Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:21:53 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Excellent. Hope to see you guys tomorrow. Glenn Dysart > OEM pads & a braided steel brake line from Hi-Perf Hardware are now > installed on the bike. Flushed both systems & now it feels much better. > Didn't put new lines on the front due mostly to $. Maybe later. Now if the > UPS man will kindly bring some new tires tomorrow Tom T. will be joining > us. > > Bruce > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 15:06:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13737; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19043 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02937 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:28:38 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'George Howell'" , Mike , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: early morning antics.. Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:28:21 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Yeah what is it with those guys? They think nothing can beat their cars. Glenn Dysart > I prefer Mustangs. Especially those with aftermarket exhausts. They're the > squids of the cager world. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 15:14:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14161; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19267 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03612 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA27922 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:14:06 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:14:06 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Fwd: LDRider: Speed Trap Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:15:17 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >I think I heard Chris Norloff say: >>>This needs to happen more often. >>>http://www.cnn.com/US/9807/16/fringe/speed.trap.ap/ > >Yeah.. it sure is a great idea to bankrupt a town. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Michael (Judgemental? Who, me?!) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 15:17:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14187; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19346 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com (known tangerine.uucom.com [198.202.217.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03692 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tangerine.uucom.com (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA07998 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807171916.PAA07998@tangerine.uucom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Matthew Whalen Subject: Re: Fwd: LDRider: Speed Trap In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:06:19 EDT." <199807171902.PAA02749@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:16:35 -0400 Sender: dakota@XXXXXX I think I heard Chris Norloff say: >Yes, if the town politicians are greedy money-grubbers who use traffic >stops only as revenue generators, and who whisk the money off where the >citizens can't use it. > >It's a good warning to both the politicians and the citizens who voted them >into office. Well.. I'm glad that I don't live in a town where someone wouldn't get pulled over for driving through a downtown at excessive speeds. I've always thought that speed limits were set to protect people and should be enforced. Even when it inconveniences me. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 15:18:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14218; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19412 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03731 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA08243; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980717191734.NEWX8978@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:17:34 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Matthew Whalen CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: LDRider: Speed Trap X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980717191734.NEWX8978@[166.41.242.141]> Assuming this is not one of those tongue in cheek comments I seem to be fucking up lately....are you serious? That town(?) apparently produced nothing but anghst for motorists. It also sounded as if some of the ill-gotten money was spirited away and never used to improve the town it was meant to serve. So let's see. Government was used as a revenue generating tool and government put a cap on that, forcing part of itself out of business. I got no problem with that. Todd ----------------------------- I think I heard Chris Norloff say: >>This needs to happen more often. >>http://www.cnn.com/US/9807/16/fringe/speed.trap.ap/ Matthew Whalen replied: >Yeah.. it sure is a great idea to bankrupt a town. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 15:28:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14336; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19915 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03927 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:27:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA07885 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:27:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Reply-To: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Buy an NR750? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There's a guy on the Hawk list who's attempting to convince us to buy an NR750 as a group (where a trust fund is the actual owner). The asking price is a firm $50k. Would anyone here consider giving say $100-200 for a bike that you could ride 1 or 2 days every 1.5 years? It's almost freaky enough to consider it. The obvious downside is the likelihood of someone wadding it... but there's just about no other way to get a ride on a bike like that. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 15:28:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14346; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19932 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03943 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:28:28 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id BEQFa06640; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2582b646.35afa5b1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:27:43 EDT To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: braggart squids.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 to me, squid implies a$$hole................... Marcy In a message dated 7/17/98 1:48:34 PM, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX wrote: <> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 15:37:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14503; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20417 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04286 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:36:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15518; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:37:35 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F28C1@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'JinnSinn@XXXXXX'" , Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: braggart squids.. Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:37:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain It's gotta be more than that, or I'm just a squid ;-) ask my wife....I qualify as an a$$hole quite a bit of the time.. he he he how's that song go "I was drivin down I-95 the other day, when someone nearly run me off the road..." "Were you booooorn an A$$hole, or have ya been that way your whole life...it doesn't really matter, cause your an a$$hole tonight" ok, so I like country music too :) > -----Original Message----- > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX [SMTP:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, July 17, 1998 3:35 PM > To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: braggart squids.. > > to me, squid implies a$$hole................... > Marcy > > In a message dated 7/17/98 1:48:34 PM, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX > wrote: > > < > implys ignorance.>> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 15:42:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14556; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20626 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04496 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA32557; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:41:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980717194101.NKJK8978@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:41:02 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Matthew Whalen CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: LDRider: Speed Trap X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980717194101.NKJK8978@[166.41.242.141]> I think I heard Chris Norloff say: >Yes, if the town politicians are greedy money-grubbers who use traffic >stops only as revenue generators, and who whisk the money off where the >citizens can't use it. > >It's a good warning to both the politicians and the citizens who voted them >into office. Well.. I'm glad that I don't live in a town where someone wouldn't get pulled over for driving through a downtown at excessive speeds. I've always thought that speed limits were set to protect people and should be enforced. Even when it inconveniences me. Matt, hiding behind a bush/hill/turn or whatever and saying, "boo" here's your ticket, is NOT protecting anyone. If the law enforcement there really cared to, they would have posted many signs and made their presence known to slow the traffic. Eight tickets a day, everyday for years in a rural town is not protection, it's a shakedown. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 15:42:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14562; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20633 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04503 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA02297; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:41:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980717194100.NKJF8978@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:41:00 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" CC: "'George Howell'" , Mike , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: early morning antics.. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980717194100.NKJF8978@[166.41.242.141]> Glenn Dysart wrote: > >Yeah what is it with those guys? They think nothing can beat their cars. > >Glenn Dysart > George Howell wrote: >> I prefer Mustangs. Especially those with aftermarket exhausts. They're the >> squids of the cager world. >> Fess up time (if I haven't already done so): Coming home from an afternoon ride via Ffax Co Pkwy heading east, cruising about 60mph and came up behind Mr. 5.0 and his girl. I can see his eyes in the rearview and he's ready to go once past the car in front of him. Once past he opens up and I just follow. We are now just past 100mph and approaching the long right-hand sweeper just after Braddock Rd. His right hand side suspension was nearly all the way strung out and his girl was too (I could see her waving and saying something). From where I was (having backed down a little) it looked for sure that 'tang was going to roll right over. W/in a few seconds the guy backed off to a more manageable speed, as I waved bye-bye :) Todd PS: I was riding well w/in my limit ;-) I tell you, after routinely cruising across the desert at 100+ w/impunity, it is REAL hard to just-say-no to speeding around here:( From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 15:46:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14628; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20714 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net (known drquest.digex.net [204.91.98.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04581 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.17.2.14 (pix000025.staff.digex.net [206.205.168.37]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA08740; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:46:02 -0400 X-Mailer: InterCon tcpCONNECT4 4.0.2 (Macintosh) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9807171547.AA36283@172.17.2.14> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:47:36 -0300 From: "Matt Elliott - DIGEX" To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: braggart squids.. Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline to me it implies jackass. Seriously though, the only difference that I look at when seeing a crotch rocket go by at 120+ is what they're wearing (sounds shallow, huh?) If it's full leathers or at least a leather jacket and good pants, I respect that and their riding ability/experience. If it's tank top and shorts/tennis shoes, I assume (maybe incorrectly?) it's squid all the way. Any other distinguishing factors? Matt > to me, squid implies a$$hole................... Marcy > > In a message dated 7/17/98 1:48:34 PM, Brian.P.McCoy@HQ02. > USACE.ARMY.MIL wrote: > > < > implys ignorance.>> > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 15:46:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14635; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20732 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04613 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15889 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:47:26 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F28C2@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: Re: bankrupt town Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:47:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain For those of ya'll city folk out there...this sort of thing happens quite a bit... A town tries to screw people coming through (especially out of state tags) with their sneaky little speed traps eventually people get fed up and word spreads until the town dies from lack of revenue cause folks just won't stand for it. I grew up in Oklahoma and have seen a lot of it...in fact, the town I'm heading off for this weekend is on its way down. Over the last 5 years, the police presence has skyrocketed. In itself, this isn't a bad thing, but since it's a lake area and a big recreation spot, they have begun stopping people for any and everything they can't think of looking for the drunk drivers. I liked the good ole days when all they had was the sobriety checkpoints (making it impossible to get away from any of the three area bars without hitting one). They really don't catch any more drunk drivers than they used to, and I really get frustrated getting stopped for going 47 mph in a 45 mph zone along the 3.2 mile long dike area to my house ..... arrrgh... So let em destroy themselves with their revenue generating ticket writing..no sympathy from me when the city goes under.....I do feel a little bad for the businesses that suffer, but hey...they can vote... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 15:47:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14668; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20749 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04652 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807171947.PAA04652@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AA2CA3025C; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:46:52 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:49:13 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Fwd: LDRider: Speed Trap In-Reply-To: <199807171916.PAA07998@tangerine.uucom.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:16 PM 7/17/98 -0400, Matthew Whalen wrote: >Well.. I'm glad that I don't live in a town where someone wouldn't get pulled >over for driving through a downtown at excessive speeds. > >I've always thought that speed limits were set to protect people and should >be enforced. Even when it inconveniences me. Very true, and when safety's really at stake, speed limits are an excellent idea. However, a town who was bankrupted by being allow to get ONLY 45% of its tax revenues from speeding tickets must be writing a lot of speeding tickets. That beings into question whether the tickets are related to safety or to revenue collection. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 15:47:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14674; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20755 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:47:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (known gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04660 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) with SMTP; 17 Jul 1998 19:47:40 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA06321 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:47:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: LDRider: Speed Trap In-Reply-To: <199807171916.PAA07998@tangerine.uucom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 17 Jul 1998, Matthew Whalen wrote: > > I think I heard Chris Norloff say: > >Yes, if the town politicians are greedy money-grubbers who use traffic > >stops only as revenue generators, and who whisk the money off where the > >citizens can't use it. > > > >It's a good warning to both the politicians and the citizens who voted them > >into office. > > Well.. I'm glad that I don't live in a town where someone wouldn't get pulled > over for driving through a downtown at excessive speeds. > > I've always thought that speed limits were set to protect people and should > be enforced. Even when it inconveniences me. > But this is a case where the speed limit was NOT used to protect people. This is a case where the speed limit was used as a tax collecting tool. It also drove up people's insurance rates, and was clearly a way of raking in money from people that did not live in that area. Additionally, it was set up very deceptively - they put the signs after downhill slopes (where one's car naturally speeds up) and clearly were being sneaky. Screw em - no mercy for a town that rapes others for its revenue, then weep when they get smart. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 15:47:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14675; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20748 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04654 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807171947.PAA04654@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AA29A3025C; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:46:52 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:50:28 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Fwd: LDRider: Speed Trap In-Reply-To: <19980717191734.NEWX8978@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:12 PM 7/17/98 -0400, Todd Peer wrote: >So let's see. Government was used as a revenue generating tool and >government put a cap on that, forcing part of itself out of business. >I got no problem with that. Different governments. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 15:48:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14689; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:48:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20798 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04677 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA08279 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:48:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: early morning antics.. In-Reply-To: <19980717194100.NKJF8978@[166.41.242.141]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > W/in a few seconds the guy backed off to a more manageable speed, as > I waved bye-bye :) Squid boy! What'll that land cruiser do for top end anyway? While I haven't played this sort of game before (really!) I'm well aware that most sporty cars have a higher top end than my measly 115 - it'll take them a whole lot longer to get there but... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 15:51:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14747; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20896 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com (known tangerine.uucom.com [198.202.217.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA04811 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tangerine.uucom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tangerine.uucom.com (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA08409 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:51:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807171951.PAA08409@tangerine.uucom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Matthew Whalen Subject: Re: Fwd: LDRider: Speed Trap In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:36:00 EDT." <19980717194101.NKJK8978@[166.41.242.141]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:51:05 -0400 Sender: dakota@XXXXXX I think I heard Todd Peer say: > Matt, hiding behind a bush/hill/turn or whatever and saying, "boo" > here's your ticket, is NOT protecting anyone. If the law enforcement > there really cared to, they would have posted many signs and made > their presence known to slow the traffic. Eight tickets a day, > everyday for years in a rural town is not protection, it's a shakedown. "Macks Creek still has a billboard-sized, hand-lettered sign more than two stories high as a reminder of days past: "Warning -- Reduced Speed 3/10 mile, 45 mph radar strictly enforced." A barn roof on the other side of town used to have a similar sign. " A 2 story high sign is pretty hard to miss. I'm sure that it got people to slow down though. Isn't that protecting people? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 15:54:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14924; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21054 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05118 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:54:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA08387 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:54:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Fwd: LDRider: Speed Trap In-Reply-To: <199807171951.PAA08409@tangerine.uucom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 17 Jul 1998, Matthew Whalen wrote: > "Macks Creek still has a billboard-sized, hand-lettered sign more than two > stories high as a reminder of days past: "Warning -- Reduced Speed 3/10 mile, > 45 mph radar strictly enforced." A barn roof on the other side of town used to > have a similar sign. " > > A 2 story high sign is pretty hard to miss. I'm sure that it got people to > slow down though. Isn't that protecting people? Private citizens paid for the warning signs in response to the excessive policing (which they could see as a negative to town business - if I got a ticket in some one horse town I be pissed and would skip right past local business). Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 15:57:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14968; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21125 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA05193 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:57:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA03464 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:57:05 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:57:05 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Buy an NR750? Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:58:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >There's a guy on the Hawk list who's attempting to convince us to buy an >NR750 as a group (where a trust fund is the actual owner). The asking >price is a firm $50k. I read an article in a recent (within the last year) MC magazine where they got access to an NR750 - the bottom line was that the performance was significantly below that of a present-day GSX-R 750 (technology doing what technology does best). As a historical ride, it would be great As a thrill ride, it can be done MUCH more cheaply Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 16:06:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15112; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21606 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm06sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm06sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.155]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05484 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([166.55.79.52]) by PM05SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) with SMTP id <0EW700CQGZZ689@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 03:49:56 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:41:02 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: My Tire is Screwed, Literally To: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles Message-id: <00b501bdb14d$dea07de0$344f37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Just my opinion, but I would never trust my bike tire with a plug/patch in it. At work(car dealership) if we patch/plug a tire, we don't charge anything for it because we can't guarantee that it will stay plugged and don't want to take responsibility for it failing. Not such a bad thing on a car, but a bike would be bad bad bad. I would just go ahead and buy a new tire....... ================================== Jon Schumer dawn.jon@XXXXXX ICQ#11193913 ================================== -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman To: DC Cycles Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 7:28 PM Subject: My Tire is Screwed, Literally >Well, > >Looks like I'm caging it to work tomorrow, picked up >a three inch long screw (?!) in the back tire tonight, >about a mile from home. Heard the tell-tale hissing >when I pulled up at the house. I guess if I was fated >to punch a hole in the tire, doing it to one with 9,990 >miles on it but only a mile away from home is a pretty >good way to go. > >Anyway, I need to practice with a tire repair kit anyway. >Any suggestions on what type, snot on a string, bullet-shaped >plug, mushroom patch, to get? Or should I pull off the wheel >and have it "done right" by some putz at CPS? (Notice the >quotes :-) >-- > >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >horkster@XXXXXX > >1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" >1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 16:06:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15117; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21617 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05490 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yxGlY-0001In-00; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:06:04 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:04:33 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D8883CB@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Matt Elliott - DIGEX'" , JinnSinn@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: braggart squids.. Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:02:07 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain It's funny, my parents were traveling last weekend & said some "real jerks" went by them on bikes, i.e., lane-splitting down 95 in full-speed ahead heavy traffic. They added, though, "Well, at least they were wearing proper gear." I've trained them well. - Jeannette > Seriously though, the only difference that I look at when seeing a > crotch > rocket go by at 120+ is what they're wearing (sounds shallow, huh?) > If it's > full leathers or at least a leather jacket and good pants, I respect > that and > their riding ability/experience. If it's tank top and shorts/tennis > shoes, I > assume (maybe incorrectly?) it's squid all the way. Any other > distinguishing > factors? > > Matt > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 16:18:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15346; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22213 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:17:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05865 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA05990; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:16:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980717201654.NSBC8978@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:16:54 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Kirk Roy CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: early morning antics.. X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980717201654.NSBC8978@[166.41.242.141]> > W/in a few seconds the guy backed off to a more manageable speed, as > I waved bye-bye :) Squid boy! What'll that land cruiser do for top end anyway? While I haven't played this sort of game before (really!) I'm well aware that most sporty cars have a higher top end than my measly 115 - it'll take them a whole lot longer to get there but... Kirk The best reading I've had was 135mph (indicated) about 3-weeks ago running from NM to AZ. I was loaded down with me (big load) my camping gear and packs full, chasing an F3 and an 888. F3 had no load except rider (female, about 160lb) and the 888 had the rider (male about 145lb) and a tad of luggage. They were at an estimated 145-150. In other words, 'real' sport-bikes can definitely out-squid the ST1100 :( Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 16:22:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA15387; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22389 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:22:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA06015 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA10045; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:21:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980717202117.NZLV5751@[166.41.242.141]>; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:21:17 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Matthew Whalen CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: LDRider: Speed Trap X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980717202117.NZLV5751@[166.41.242.141]> >I think I heard Todd Peer say: > >> Matt, hiding behind a bush/hill/turn or whatever and saying, "boo" >> here's your ticket, is NOT protecting anyone. If the law enforcement >> there really cared to, they would have posted many signs and made >> their presence known to slow the traffic. Eight tickets a day, >> everyday for years in a rural town is not protection, it's a shakedown. > >"Macks Creek still has a billboard-sized, hand-lettered sign more than two >stories high as a reminder of days past: "Warning -- Reduced Speed 3/10 mile, >45 mph radar strictly enforced." A barn roof on the other side of town used to >have a similar sign. " > >A 2 story high sign is pretty hard to miss. I'm sure that it got people to >slow down though. Isn't that protecting people? Well Matt, since you conveniently left out the next paragraph it could be construed as a means to protect the citizenry (who apparently jay-walk with blinders on inviting lawless speeders to mow them down)! Here's the full content with regard to the billboards Matt forgot to print: "Macks Creek still has a billboard-sized, hand-lettered sign more than two stories high as a reminder of days past: "Warning -- Reduced Speed 3/10 mile, 45 mph radar strictly enforced." A barn roof on the other side of town used to have a similar sign. "It was put there to give people a fair warning that they were about to be had, because they were," says B.J. Carnahan, who runs a recording studio on the edge of town. He and other citizens erected the billboard on his property after the police department was formed in 1987 and began writing tickets at a furious pace. " The people put it there....duhh! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 17:19:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16909; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23765 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seismo.CSS.GOV (known seismo.CSS.GOV [140.162.1.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08266 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydeco.CSS.GOV (zydeco.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.172]) by seismo.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA15670 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wharfrat..css.gov (wharfrat.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.205]) by zydeco.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA29086 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807172117.RAA29086@zydeco.CSS.GOV> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:16:21 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: Fwd: LDRider: Speed Trap In-Reply-To: <199807171951.PAA08409@tangerine.uucom.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:51 PM 7/17/98 -0400, you wrote: > >I think I heard Todd Peer say: > >> Matt, hiding behind a bush/hill/turn or whatever and saying, "boo" >> here's your ticket, is NOT protecting anyone. If the law enforcement >> there really cared to, they would have posted many signs and made >> their presence known to slow the traffic. Eight tickets a day, >> everyday for years in a rural town is not protection, it's a shakedown. > >"Macks Creek still has a billboard-sized, hand-lettered sign more than two >stories high as a reminder of days past: "Warning -- Reduced Speed 3/10 mile, >45 mph radar strictly enforced." A barn roof on the other side of town used to >have a similar sign. " > >A 2 story high sign is pretty hard to miss. I'm sure that it got people to >slow down though. Isn't that protecting people? > Didn't the article say that it was residents that put it up, not the city? -- The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the conspiracy is working. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 17:27:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16984; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23847 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08484 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:28:50 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:28:11 -0400 From: "SCOTT RUSH" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: logo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline My vote is for either 1b or 4. I like 1b because of the riders image on = it and you can=27t really tell what kind of bike it is. My only suggestion= for it would be to lightly outline that image so you can see it better = when you get into the black areas. Entry 4, I just like. Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 17:56:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17474; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24024 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA09383 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.98] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA00746 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:56:21 -0400 Message-ID: <021601bdb1cd$5e19c0c0$6273c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: No tires (was Re: Brake Line Success) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:53:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Unfortunately the little brown UPS truck did not visit me today so poor Tom T. has no new tires & the old ones are just too shakey for a West Side Gang Ride. However I'll be there w/ no guilt at all. Sorry Tom ;) Bruce >Excellent. Hope to see you guys tomorrow. > >Glenn Dysart > > >> OEM pads & a braided steel brake line from Hi-Perf Hardware are now >> installed on the bike. Flushed both systems & now it feels much better. >> Didn't put new lines on the front due mostly to $. Maybe later. Now if the >> UPS man will kindly bring some new tires tomorrow Tom T. will be joining >> us. >> >> Bruce >> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 18:15:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA17670; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24247 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09809 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.38]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:11:50 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Todd Peer" , "Matthew Whalen" Cc: Subject: RE: Fwd: LDRider: Speed Trap Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:12:53 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdb1d0$0b461c60$2680e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <19980717191734.NEWX8978@[166.41.242.141]> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Amen, and well said, Todd. That article brought a tear of joy to my eye. This wasn't about protecting the populace. It was about greed of money and power. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [mailto:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, July 17, 1998 3:12 PM > To: Matthew Whalen > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Fwd: LDRider: Speed Trap > > > > Assuming this is not one of those tongue in cheek comments I seem to > be fucking up lately....are you serious? > > That town(?) apparently produced nothing but anghst for motorists. > It also sounded as if some of the ill-gotten money was spirited away > and never used to improve the town it was meant to serve. > > So let's see. Government was used as a revenue generating tool and > government put a cap on that, forcing part of itself out of business. > I got no problem with that. > > Todd > > ----------------------------- > I think I heard Chris Norloff say: > >>This needs to happen more often. > >>http://www.cnn.com/US/9807/16/fringe/speed.trap.ap/ > > Matthew Whalen replied: > >Yeah.. it sure is a great idea to bankrupt a town. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 18:20:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA17740; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:20:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24300 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09896 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.38]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:17:05 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Matthew Whalen" , Subject: RE: Fwd: LDRider: Speed Trap Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:18:08 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bdb1d0$c6bc8740$2680e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199807171951.PAA08409@tangerine.uucom.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > "Macks Creek still has a billboard-sized, hand-lettered sign more than two > stories high as a reminder of days past: "Warning -- Reduced > Speed 3/10 mile, > 45 mph radar strictly enforced." A barn roof on the other side of > town used to > have a similar sign. " > > A 2 story high sign is pretty hard to miss. I'm sure that it got > people to > slow down though. Isn't that protecting people? Read the article again. The signs were put up by private citizens, not the police. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 19:15:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18414; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26073 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11240 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-99-20.s20.tnt13.ann.erols.com [207.172.99.20]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA23672 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35AFDB0F.678C5B34@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:15:27 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Logo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmm.. 1B is pretty nice. I have to like number 4 though...the bike looks an aweful lot like my race bike ;-) 9and I didn't even make this one..or any of them for that matter) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/racing.html collin (who can't draw a crooked line without goofing it up) -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 19:24:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18576; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26299 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11440 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt (207-172-33-118.s118.tnt8.brd.erols.com [207.172.33.118]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA03902; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:24:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807172324.TAA03902@smtp1.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: "Craig" , Subject: Re: Sat ride Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:23:24 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Still waiting for directions from Fairfax County parkway. Roy D. Turner, Esq. ---------- > From: Craig > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Sat ride > Date: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 7:27 AM > > > > Count me in for Sat. > > Well here is a list of participants for Saturday : > > So far...John K. > Jon S. > Bruce N. > Brian M. > Glenn D. > Craig J. > > hope > I got all that have responded?? > > Looks like we'll be meeting at the AMOCO (Center of town) in Leesburg > at 8:00 a.m. > If anyone needs directions let me know. > Craig > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 19:33:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18624; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26396 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11560 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:32:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (207-172-36-148.s148.tnt6.ann.erols.com [207.172.36.148]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA21568 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35AFDD28.5C32@erols.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:24:24 -0400 From: Tim Morrow <2morrow@XXXXXX> Reply-To: 2morrow@XXXXXX Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Capitol 1000 Participants Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey folks: Leon, Louis, Art, anyone else on the list who competed in the Capitol 1000... Have any of you heard ANYTHING from Larry Fears since the day of the rally? The webpage has not been updated since then, Larry doesn't answer my e-mails (neither does Ted Verrill) and no one seems to know when (or if) the full final standings for the Rally will be posted, e-mailed, snail-mailed, read over the radio, or what. Also, I want my rally pack back! Anybody else want to know, or is it just me? Tim (Cap1000 #33) -- A member of the Morrow family in Herndon, Virginia E-mail respondants: change the number ‘2’ in the reply-to address to the word “to”. The correct reply-to address should read ‘tomorrow erols.com’. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 19:34:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18635; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26410 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11583 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:33:51 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA03864; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807172326.TAA03864@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Saturday's Ride To: tleatsducks@XXXXXX (Craig) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980717150317.3913.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> from "Craig" at Jul 17, 98 08:03:17 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Well gang since we are looking at having such a big turn-out ... > A couple of us regular WSGDYMOFO thought we better let you all that > plan on coming , know what you are getting in for... > > A the size is so large we are going to split it up into 2 groups.... > > The 1st group will be the regular WSGDYMOFO fast guys and some of the > new-comers who think they are fast... > > > 2nd group will be the rest ot he new comers and a leader from the > WSGDYMOFO ....we can depart together if you want and travel as a large > group for the first leg...but once off into the twistys , the first > group is going to disappear.... > > We can meet at gas stops along the way or when we have lunch... I would recommend every 1-1.5 hours, at predefined points. This way you will avoid stop-n-go pattern which can be frustrating, and will have lot of time to cool tires :-). > Comments ?????? Good luck ! _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 19:34:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18636; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26409 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11582 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:33:51 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA03922; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807172335.TAA03922@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Still: Saturday's Ride To: mike@XXXXXX (Jordan, Michael) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: from "Jordan, Michael" at Jul 17, 98 11:41:51 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > >My view of it is that Craig is warning everybody not to try to keep a > pace > >that is too quick for them. Damn good advice, IMHO. > > I'll second that - you have to ride your own ride > > Nothing (well, almost nothing) will get you into trouble more quickly > than riding over your head. > > Michael J. > Amen ! _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 20:03:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA18778; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA26642 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11931 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-99-20.s20.tnt13.ann.erols.com [207.172.99.20]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA03803; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35AFE5E5.624A948@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:01:41 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" CC: Craig , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday's Ride References: <199807172326.TAA03864@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cool the tires?!?!?!? ;-) You want to keep them puppies nice and toasty so they'll stick stick stick... zbig@XXXXXX wrote: > I would recommend every 1-1.5 hours, at predefined points. This way > you will avoid stop-n-go pattern which can be frustrating, and will > have lot of time to cool tires :-). > > > Comments ?????? _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 20:08:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA18823; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA26693 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA12034 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:08:27 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA04093; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807180010.UAA04093@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Sat ride To: rdt@XXXXXX (Roy D. Turner) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tleatsducks@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199807172324.TAA03902@smtp1.erols.com> from "Roy D. Turner" at Jul 17, 98 07:23:24 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > Still waiting for directions from Fairfax County parkway. Roy D. Turner, > Esq. > Get to Rt 7 west. ( from FFP, either take across tool road, then through left hander to lights, turn right into Spring, first right into Henrdon pkwy, keep going till you hit Drainsville RD; when you are on rt 7, go west to Leesburg. Do not take any of bypases - stay on Rt 7 West. ( beware, leesburg cops make a fortune .. _ you will pass few lights, keep going. rt 7 does light turn right - you are almost there. About 200 yards on left side is AMOCO. ( across street from bookstore and County building ). If you reach intersection of rt 7 nd 15 downtown Leesburg, you are about half mile too far. Go back. _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 20:19:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA18876; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA26757 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA12191 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id UAA02809; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:17:58 -0400 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:17:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: Free Clymers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Since I"ve gotten rid of my Maxim 550 I have no use for the Clymers. If anybody wants it, here's the description: Yamaha XJ550 & FJ600 1982-1985, includes color schematics. If you're interested, the cost is a trip to my apartment, or a mutually convenient place. Just e-mail me and we can arrange to transfer the goods, errr book. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 21:42:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19214; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27118 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA12972 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:42:28 -0400 (EDT) From: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from default (207-172-99-20.s20.tnt13.ann.erols.com [207.172.99.20]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA05134; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980717214208.006910c0@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:42:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Race report Cc: gsx.r@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Here's the long version of the race report from last weekend and some updated pics: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/CCS_980711.txt http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/racing.html Summary: 26 of 32 in GT1 (crashed in T5 and missed 2 laps before re-entering) 6th of 30 in HW SB (turned consistent low 1:23's!!!) Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 22:09:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA19360; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27238 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13229 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA19852; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35B02EBD.785E@mnsinc.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:12:29 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: My Tire is Screwed, Literally Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > Or should I pull off the wheel and have it "done right" > by some putz at CPS? Dale, I had a nail in my tire, brought it to Art at RAW. He put a tube in for me. I didn't want to part with the tir since it was basically good and has at least 6K or so left on it. JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 17 22:14:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA19391; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:14:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA27263 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13258 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA19991; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35B02FE2.3E80@mnsinc.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:17:22 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: early morning antics.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > Ah, the dynamics of traffic ... or ... Life in the Big City. Sometimes I > zoom away from them, sometimes I like to get them all fired up then pull > away slowly and let them race in front of me. I figure that way they're > blocking for me. That's one good use for a car driver. Actually Chris, this is very good advice. I regularly try to use a cage to run interference especially when crossing an intersection when the sunlight is shining in the opposing traffic's eyes. I stay a bit behind them near their blind spot, but with enough distance to compensate should they want to change lanes. In fact I think all bikers should do this rather than wanting to be the first to parade through an intersection... Safety first :) JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 18 00:37:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21470; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28733 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm05sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm05sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.154]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15044 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr4-dialup8.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM05SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) with SMTP id <0EW900DW7X33PQ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 04:42:41 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:34:00 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Race report To: cfagan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <007001bdb21e$84e057e0$c84337a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Yeah, you were kicking some ass Sun.. I enjoyed standing at turn 5 and hearing you scrape your engine case and then spinning the rear tire around turn 6! Too bad I was messing with the zoom on the video camera and didn't have it recording. I could have caught you almost high side on T-6.......8^) All you need is little gearing change, ram air ducts, fresh tires, dial in the suspension, and some more time on the track and your gonna be one of THE guys to beat. I'll have to give you a copy of the footage I have of you on tape. It's not much, but I was a rookie with a borrowed cam corder(thanks Jay T.). I also have some pics that aren't developed yet. Should have some of you and a couple of Dawn on her Aprilla(sweet ride). I even have Dale Hortsman on tape, siting on his bike between turns 7 and 8. Saw Linda T. for a sec. but didn't catch her........... Jon Schumer -----Original Message----- From: cfagan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ; balt-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: gsx.r@XXXXXX Date: Friday, July 17, 1998 6:47 PM Subject: Race report >Here's the long version of the race report from last weekend and some >updated pics: >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/CCS_980711.txt >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/racing.html > >Summary: >26 of 32 in GT1 (crashed in T5 and missed 2 laps before re-entering) >6th of 30 in HW SB (turned consistent low 1:23's!!!) >Collin >_________________________________________ >Collin and Penny Fagan >LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard >(202) 366-0067 (work) >(703) 356-4279 (home) >ICQ UIN: 435732 >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ >(us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 18 00:37:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21474; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28737 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA15050 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:37:02 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WNURa11469 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1f6834bf.35b025ff@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:35:10 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Streetfighter style bikes Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Those are some cool looking bikes. And they don't have as much chrome as alot of the cruisers do! Can't be too bad keeping that chrome polished. I'd almost consider owning a bike that looked like a Streetfighter! Hmmm.... I still have my Nighthawk...... Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 85 Nighthawk 450 (still for sale) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 18 02:03:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA21954; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 02:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA29179 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 02:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA15892 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 02:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.44]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 01:59:37 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Streetfighter style bikes Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 02:00:40 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdb211$64995340$2c80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1f6834bf.35b025ff@aol.com> > Those are some cool looking bikes. And they don't have as much > chrome as alot > of the cruisers do! Can't be too bad keeping that chrome > polished. I'd almost > consider owning a bike that looked like a Streetfighter! Hmmm.... > I still have > my Nighthawk. Could be fun. If you can stuff one of those 1 liter motors into the frame:) That was a fun page. Almost had me calling down to Morton's to tell them not to bother with the K1100RS. Then my eyes started glazing over at the prices on those frames. Can't imagine what they'd cost for a custom BMW frame. (Although I have seen some airhead streetfighters). Now, if I could find a wrecked TL or VTR, that could be fun to build back up. BTW, was it just me, or did that XL streetfighter look an awful lot like a buell? Well, maybe not. But I would like to see HD make a real XLH sport, now that they have so much extra capacity. Fat chance that... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX ..... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 18 02:29:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA22029; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 02:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA29306 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 02:29:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (known imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA16127 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 02:29:09 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WZTCa12329 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 02:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <68c48fd0.35b04081@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 02:28:09 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Streetfighter style bikes Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Well, I might not be able to stuff a 1 Liter engine into the frame, but I could fit a 750 under there, I'm sure! It's only a 450, but they had 750 models that used the same frame (I think). That bike does look alot like a Buell. Bummer (just kidding!!). I need the cash, so I'm gonna get rid of the Nighthawk (if I can find a buyer!!) and focus on my Shadow for the time being. Harley's are pretty nice bikes. Though they are a bit expensive, and alot of the riders have snobby attitudes (like, if it isn't a Harley, it isn't a bike... grrrrr). Harley won't change... They haven't changed much and it's worked well for 95 years! Of course, when they started, they made bikes for the "working man." More like the "well paid manager man" now. Bummer. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 85 Nighhawk 450 (buy me, please!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 18 06:18:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA23178; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 06:18:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA00972 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 06:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA18368 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 06:17:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm1-08.dial.nova.org (pm1-08.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.136]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id GAA18250 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 06:17:55 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Streetfighter style bikes Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:18:15 GMT Message-ID: <35bc75bd.85217592@beta.nova.org> References: <1f6834bf.35b025ff@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1f6834bf.35b025ff@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:35:10 EDT, NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: >Those are some cool looking bikes. And they don't have as much chrome as= alot >of the cruisers do! Can't be too bad keeping that chrome polished. I'd = almost >consider owning a bike that looked like a Streetfighter! Hmmm.... I = still have >my Nighthawk...... It's not chrome, it's polished aluminum. It's a maintenance headache (because of oxidation) but it sure looks good! When you look at polished aluminum compared to chrome the aluminum looks deeper and more like it's liquid. I don't think you can even apply chrome to aluminum but I'm no metalurgist... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 18 10:45:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24075; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01701 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:45:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo30.mx.aol.com (known imo30.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.74]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21239 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:45:19 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WDLAa26167 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:44:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <329b4800.35b0b4d2@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:44:33 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: The Nyquil Made Me Do It...(was: Re: sat) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Id just like to apologize to kirk, jon, and morris for making them wait for me and my stepbro this morning. I havent been feeling too well, so I took nyquil, and I slept through my alarm. I was hoping to be out of here by 5:45-6 at latest, but I didnt wake up til 6:20. I knew I wasnt gonna eb able to make it in time, so I just hit the snooze button.. sorry. Anyway, me and my stepbro are gonna ride out to western md today, gonna hit rt 70 out to somewhere and bring it back on old rt 40. should be a good ride. then tonight I gotta head back up to NJ tonight, so I dont wanna where myself out. we'll see. Sean G. Petr 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 18 15:35:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25400; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03292 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24829 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA15299; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 14:34:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-40.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.104) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma015293; Sat Jul 18 14:34:30 1998 Message-ID: <35B11D3F.492E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:10:07 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Shenks Honda etc..... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know several folks had talked about Shenks Honda etc. in the past, It had been mentioned that they had some Honda PC800's down there, (which are all apparently gone now) so I took advantage of the nice day and went down. And in the vein of the Coleman flaming, I have to say I was extremely dissapointed with Shenks also. After walking around the showroom for twenty minutes examining what bikes they had on the floor, I had not been asked if I needed help at all. I had picked up a can of Honda Spray Polish which I use regularly, and approached a salesman who had not moved from his desk the entire time I had been there. Anyway I had while examining the bikes on the floor noted a leftover 1997 Honda CBR600F3 sitting alongside some 98 models. I have seen plenty of 98 models in the three other Honda dealers I frequent but had not seen anymore leftover 97's in awhile. Curious about the price, thinking there might be a good deal in a 97 I went to the Sales guy, and inquired. His quote' I can let you have it for $6900.00' almost made me laugh. I noted that three other local dealers, in particular Winchester Honda were selling 98's off the floor for that or less, and his response was 'then take your business back to Winchester.' So I placed the cleaner spray on his desk and did just that. I was surprised at the lack of salesmanship and the arrogance at this place. I've always been a Harley Enthusiast, and have experienced first hand what kind of assholes some of the sales people 'take it or leave it' types are in some of their dealerships, but none of them matched this level of arrogant behaviour certainly at a Honda dealership. I would have thought that someone asking about a bike thats been taking up floor space for two years without being sold would have wanted to talk a deal, but then again I guess thats why its still sitting there. On another note, although they also claim to be a Moto Guzzi dealer, dont bother. they had one 97 model Centauro back away in a corner. If thats the kind of stuff your interested in, check out the Guzzi dealer in Winchester, thats tries to keep a couple new and used. Anyway enough ranting I guess, I wish I had the sales guys name, but I did not notice a sales tag. Anyway, maybe somebody from down there actually reads this list. Or maybe I am wrong in having gotten used to the Courteous service I have always gotten in the Winchester, Hagerstown, Chambersburg and Frederick dealers, and this is what you folks have been complaining about all along. In which case I sympathize. Well, its a beautiful weekend , Ride safe... -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 18 15:46:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25451; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03453 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (known imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25040 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:46:35 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WAYGa04020 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <144c2bf0.35b0fb59@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:45:28 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Streetfighter style bikes Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Polished aluminum is a maintenance headache? Hmmm... I guess then I would use 2024 Clad aluminum as used on aircraft. Looks very much like stainless steel or chrome (when clear coated or waxed), but nowhere near as much a headache. You may remember airplanes that look like they are bare metal... well they were! The clad aluminum can last a very long time if the cladding stays unmarred. I'm not even going to bother though. My Nighthawk just wouldn't look right! And I don't have the cash.... Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 85 Nighthawk 450 (buy me, please!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 18 15:57:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25565; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03552 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25161 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:57:29 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WLHZa11436 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <932511b4.35b0fe0a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:56:57 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Shenks Honda etc..... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Don't bother with Dutrow's Honda in Frederick either! They have a '96 Nighthawk CB750 for sale at $5,500, I seem to recall. Considering it's 2 years old and the new ones aren't much more, I decided to tell em where to go and what to do when they get there. They also want my bike in the shop for 3 weeks (no waiting list, just leave it!!!) for a tune-up and oil change!!! Yuck!! Back to Twigg Cycles.... Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 85 Nighthawk 450 (will it ever be sold?) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 18 20:53:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27003; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 20:53:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA05378 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 20:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA28393 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 20:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-99-20.s20.tnt13.ann.erols.com [207.172.99.20]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA13943 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 20:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35B14335.CF7D1DEA@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 20:52:05 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Gone for vacation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See ya'll in a few weeks...I've unsubscribed for now...but i'll be back... Gonna enjoy some of that heat wave out in Oklahoma... -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 18 23:05:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA27582; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06451 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:05:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29574 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.69] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id XAA00830 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:06:00 -0400 Message-ID: <002d01bdb2c1$c9dd55c0$4573c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Sat Ride 7/18 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:03:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Great ride everybody! I had mucho fun! Sorry we lost track of the second group. Looking forward to a more comprehensive ride report. Bruce Leesburg, VA '98 VFR800 "Tronix" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 18 23:19:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA27634; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06503 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29654 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.33]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:16:29 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: vacation Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:17:32 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bdb2c3$c50a5f00$2180e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Loading up the ratwing tomorrow and hitting the road. Only two things are for sure. Angie has an appointment in Warren, OH on Tuesday and the Honda Homecoming is Friday through Sunday. Might remember to take a camera, and might have some pics. See y'all next week. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 18 23:49:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA27823; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06611 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (known camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29953 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:49:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (user-38lcjtc.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.79.172]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA14377; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:49:06 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDB2A6.A6AFDB60.zellto@mindspring.com> From: "Thomas W.Zell" Reply-To: "zellto@XXXXXX" To: "'cfagan@XXXXXX'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "balt-cycles@XXXXXX" Cc: "gsx.r@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Race report Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:49:05 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow, way to lean over in picture 2!! I'm your devoted fan. : ) - Jeannette -----Original Message----- From: cfagan@XXXXXX [SMTP:cfagan@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 17, 1998 9:42 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; balt-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: gsx.r@XXXXXX Subject: Race report Here's the long version of the race report from last weekend and some updated pics: Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 19 00:39:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28536; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07936 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo30.mx.aol.com (known imo30.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.74]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00488 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:39:50 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WFQAa26166 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7e0677b0.35b17872@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:39:13 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Great weather for riding Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Well, it looks like the beginning of a beautiful weekend. I saw lots of riders out today on my solo ride around the DC area. Passed thru several counties in MD and VA as well going down on The Mall. Lots of beautiful bike everywhere I went. Unfortunately the heat seems to have caused some riders to become lax on protective gear. I saw a surprisingly high amount of bikers with only shorts, t-shirts, and sneakers on. As temps reach 100 degrees this coming week (supposed to be near that by Wednesday), I imagine the number of improperly dressed riders will increase. I'm not trying to preach, but lets all keep it safe out there. On a side note, is anyone intersted in a ride tomorrow afternoon? Say after 3PM. I have to be at National airport at noon, so I won't be availible til then. I'm in Frederick, MD. E-mail me or give me a call at (301) 695-5993 if interested. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 85 Nighthawk 450 (the mulitcolored bandit still for sale!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 19 01:01:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA28623; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA08057 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:01:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA00624 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr52-dialup18.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0EWB003CTSNPM4@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 05:02:14 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:58:55 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: The Nyquil Made Me Do It...(was: Re: sat) To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <003c01bdb2eb$15f55420$d24f37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Your forgiven(this time!), but you missed out on a lot of nice twisties. Oh well, next time......... Jon Schumer -----Original Message----- From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Saturday, July 18, 1998 7:53 AM Subject: The Nyquil Made Me Do It...(was: Re: sat) >Id just like to apologize to kirk, jon, and morris for making them wait for me >and my stepbro this morning. I havent been feeling too well, so I took >nyquil, and I slept through my alarm. I was hoping to be out of here by 5:45-6 >at latest, but I didnt wake up til 6:20. I knew I wasnt gonna eb able to make >it in time, so I just hit the snooze button.. sorry. Anyway, me and my >stepbro are gonna ride out to western md today, gonna hit rt 70 out to >somewhere and bring it back on old rt 40. should be a good ride. then tonight >I gotta head back up to NJ tonight, so I dont wanna where myself out. we'll >see. > >Sean G. Petr >98 TLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 19 17:39:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03904; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 17:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA12555 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 17:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA08620 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 17:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id RAA16664; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 17:37:51 -0400 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 17:37:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: Saturday Ride...Caution Group Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I hope we didn't worry anyone when we cut off onto 220(?) shortly after the Burger King lunch stop. I just wasn't sure where Kirk was going when he passed the 220(?) cutoff so we took it. As it was, I got home an hour later than I should have been. Thanks for nice morning ride! -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 19 18:49:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA04227; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 18:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12790 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 18:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09121 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 18:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.48] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA00532; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 18:49:13 -0400 Message-ID: <35B230C9.3BB601D0@anent.com> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 18:45:46 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: NJitzul@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Great weather for riding References: <7e0677b0.35b17872@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Robert, I figured out what S......someone Q.....quite U.....underdressed I......inviting D....diaster ...means.... NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > Well,......I saw lots of riders > out today .............. some riders to become lax on > protective gear. I saw a surprisingly high amount of bikers with only shorts, > t-shirts, and sneakers on........ but lets all keep it > safe out there. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 19 19:31:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA04430; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 19:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA12989 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 19:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA09593 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 19:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm2-04.dial.nova.org (pm2-04.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.228]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA06963 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 19:31:04 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Saturday Ride...Caution Group Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:31:54 GMT Message-ID: <35c079c1.217337893@beta.nova.org> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 17:37:51 -0400 (EDT), Morris Berman wrote: >I hope we didn't worry anyone when we cut off onto 220(?) shortly after=20 >the Burger King lunch stop. I just wasn't sure where Kirk was going = when=20 >he passed the 220(?) cutoff so we took it. As it was, I got home an = hour=20 >later than I should have been. So that's what happened! I hate having to follow signs to stay on a single route... By not turning we ended up on 50W/42S. When 42S broke off we took that. It turns out that there are some actual twisties on 42. We then turned onto 220N, which also had some twisties, and proceeded to 55E. Time was short so we didn't head down to 211... As for a ride report for my group, I suppose a brief one is in order... I didn't do the greatest job keeping everyone's name in order but here's a shot at the rider list: Kirk Roy - Hawk GT Scott R - FZR600 Morris Berman - GPZ1100 Jon S - FZR600 Chris ? - FZR600 Anita Lauro - GPZ1100 Tom Mersh - Medieval Torture Device Forgot name, sorry - YZF750 Dallas ? - Katana 600 This is my first attempt at leading the 'slower' group. I must say that it's pretty much just as difficult as leading a 'faster' group but in different ways. Not having ridden with anyone in this group besides Morris and knowing they were willing to be put in the 'slower' group made picking the pace a bit hard. I attempted a pace that didn't require me to use the brakes and kept me from leaning very much. This was slow enough (even too slow for some) but neglected a couple of the group's members. Since Tom had volunteered to sweep the group I didn't feel too bad and thought this pace was a good compromise. Unfortunately, we had a little technical difficulty on Springfield something Rd (just before getting onto 28). One of the riders had gravel trouble on a corner marked 20 mph. No real injuries to the rider but the bike was pretty well scraped up. The rider in question can provide details, I will not. Scott, Tom, and Anita were on tight schedules so they headed for home on 28S while the rest of the group took 28N. From 28 we made the turn onto 46 heading for Keyser. Our delays had apparently been too much for the 'faster' group to wait for so we lunched at the Burger King in Keyser on our own. It was here that we decided to make another split with Dallas and Morris heading for home and the rest of us seeking some twisties. The pace went up a bit and a traditional WSDYMFG ride ensued, at a little bit more sedate pace than usual. I think any of these guys would be just fine on the normal rides. I have some comments on the ride as a whole:=20 * 20+ people showing up for one ride is a bit much and gets into requiring some real management. We usually aren't interested in having to do such management while out for fun rides...=20 * 9+ people in a single group is too much. I think 5-6 is easily manageable and allows the group leader to scope out who's there and who isn't. If you've got more you need everyone to be reasonably experienced in group rides.=20 * If an accident takes place behind you (or in front of you for that matter) you need to stop and check it out. This should be a requirement of group rides. Apparently (I didn't confirm) one of our group witnessed the crash but kept going. Not cool. Oh, there was still fun stuff... After riding back and confirming that the crash wasn't 'serious' I took Springfield whatever Rd at a faster clip than I had with the group. There are bunches of little rises on this road that will get the front and sometimes the rear of the bike airborne. Neato! One of these occurs into a corner. I managed to get both wheels off the ground while keeled over a bit... Am I ready for the Isle of Man? Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 19 20:15:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA04648; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA13158 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10026 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA15173; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:15:03 -0400 (EDT) From: adl64@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) Cc: "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Saturday Ride...Caution Group Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:18:43 GMT Message-ID: <35b28767.77964739@relay.mnsinc.com> References: <35c079c1.217337893@beta.nova.org> In-Reply-To: <35c079c1.217337893@beta.nova.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:31:54 GMT, kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) wrote: >* If an accident takes place behind you (or in front of you for that >matter) you need to stop and check it out. This should be a >requirement of group rides. Apparently (I didn't confirm) one of our >group witnessed the crash but kept going. Not cool. Tom, Scott and myself seemed to be the slowest riders (most leisurely?) in the "slow group," and were quite far behind everyone else. As far as I know, the three of us rode together for most of that road, with no one else in sight.=20 Scott crashed in front of me after hitting a patch of gravel on a very tight, downhill corner. I stopped immediately, and Tom came up a few minutes later and stopped as well. Unless there was a 4th rider up ahead who saw the accident in his rear view mirror, I don't think anyone left the scene. =20 Scott is *definitely* a walking advertisement for wearing full leathers (or other protective gear). He had scuff marks on his shoulder and hip/leg that would have been very nasty on bare skin. As it was, we just had to pick gravel and rocks out of his fairing, not anywhere else!=20 >Oh, there was still fun stuff... After riding back and confirming that >the crash wasn't 'serious' I took Springfield whatever Rd at a faster >clip than I had with the group.=20 Wish I knew that's what you were doing... didn't know what to think after you blew by me and disappeared! :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 19 20:34:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA04705; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA13241 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10233 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.48] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA00772 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:34:48 -0400 Message-ID: <35B24988.5B593712@anent.com> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:31:21 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Saturday's Ride..Wow..!..Long Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Plot Thickens... Attendees were :GROUP "a".... Glenn , Brain , Todd , Bruce , Craig , Sean John K., Steve B ., Roy , Gil , Dave W., GROUP "b"....Kirk , Anita , Alex , Jon S., .......Help me here I can't remember all the names..? 3 or 4 to more go... Shows but no ride...Z-big , Tom G. , Tom T. nice bike Z :-)) Quite a large turnout....and what a varied group of bikes and individuals we are.... All exceptionally nice , friendly ...you know the deal... We departed Leesburg as a large group heading west out of town on Rt. 7 at about 8:30. And it was real nice that everyone arrived early... ;~) Staying as a large group for the first 10 miles or so.. Past Round Hill over the mountain to a left on Rt. 606 at the Shennandoah River. By the end of Rt. 606 group "a" was turning right on Rt. 50 en-route for Winchester.. We meet up again with the second group at Capon Bridge for a gas-er- up and ....yadda..yadda..yadda....Departs.. Tom M....c-ya... Group "a" we decided our next meeting point and group "a" departed for Keyser ,W.Va... The first part of this road # (?)absolutely SUCKED..it was bumpy and slick as the ditches had just been graded and the dust/dirt was still on the road... Upon our arrival at the next pre - chosen meeting site of Keyser , a gas-er-up on Rt. 46 serviced our needs , while we waited for group "b".....30 minutes later...where were you Group "b" ???....we decided to leave heading West on Rt. 46 which turned us around twice (Us the MAIN attraction during a local yokel's parade) once we got sorted out , we got on Rt. 135 and then picked up Rt.38 and then Rt. 42...which turned out to be really nice winding roads ....some corners had gravel in them , but only 3 or 4 ... Speed signs for the corners were WAY off though...could have done some of the 35 mph's at 100 mph... Another encounter with Rt. 50 brought us to our long wanted and overdue lunch break..... The sight of Gretz's Restaurant in Mt. Storm ..and another gas stop..was very welcome. No sign of Group "b".....or not.....just as we were getting ready to be served by our waitress there was a ....sound in the bachground...bbbrrrrrrrr..mmmmmmmpppppphhhhhh...1..2...3...4........ 4 of them with Kirk leading......hummmm....Quick someone go after them... ...didn't they see our 11 bikes lined up outside ????...I heard from the crowd a moment later Todd and Glenn were off......Insert Theme From "Speed Racer" the food was not all that good , but it served it's purpose..... ....Rest , Relaxation , Consumables....aaaahhhhhhh.....a sigh of relief.. Group "b" has eluded us once again... :-(.....oh well.... Rt. 50 east , led us to Rt.42 again all the way to Petersburg and Rt. 55 east.... What a great bunch of roads.... Strausburg was the next stop..gas was consumed by all...bikes that is , only a few expulsions... we followed Rt. 55 into Flint Hill to pick-up Rt. 635 ....departs Bruce..ppuurraaahhhh...c-ya... onward went the many.....Rt 635 always tends to be a group separator and again it strung us out , only to re-group at it's end near Marshall.... Rt. 55 east some more...Zula Rd east...Craig departs the group....bbbrrrrrmmmpppp.....c-ya,,.... Take it from here someone...... Overall the day seemed to be enjoyed by all Thanks to everyone in the Group I lead for exhibiting patience with that frigging road we could not find , and having a safe and highly enjoyable ride...Craig... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 19 20:45:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA04780; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA13310 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:44:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (known imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA10310 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:44:51 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WXRTa27698 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:43:30 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <31631e52.35b292b4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:43:30 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Friendly Bikers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 (this is mostly for Jeannette but others may appreciate as well....... ;D while riding along Rock Creek Parkway the other day in a thin-strapped tank top (I'm going to flay my skin someday I know, but the humidity!!!!!!!!!!) anyway the point is that I was obviously a female ..... and i pulled up to a red light next to six guys on CBRs ......... they all turned to look, a couple smiled and one went as far as to roll his bike backwards so he could say to me "welcome to the club - it's nice to see a female riding for a change...." LOL I am female! See me ride! ROTFL Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 19 21:40:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA05168; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13509 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA10846 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:40:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-10.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.51]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA31970 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:40:34 -0400 Message-ID: <0e1301bdb37f$58f658c0$4510b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Product Report -- Rear Braking Flasher Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:40:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Product Report on a rear visibility enhancer. Recently purchased, had installed during some service, and have about 150 miles on a Hyper-Lite (Universal type). So far am delighted (up to having the bike limboed from the front) with this rear braking enhancer seen noted in Motorcycle Consumer News a month or so ago. The little kit is two additional LED flasher light modules (8 LEDs per module) with stick-on adhesive, a modulator, wires, connectors, and complete instructions. The modules don't look like much until you see them flash as the brakes are applied. Lotsa punch. I placed them on either side near the top of the passenger backrest to locate them as high as possible, in which place their small size still allows for bungies, etc. to slip easily over them and the 'rest for securing baggage. The modulator went under the driver seat, and the wires were neatly black shrink-tubed. $47.95 + $4.00 shipping. Mention MCN and the price might sag. (Not yet exposed to rain/cold, though expect no problem.) M & G Accessories, Inc. http://www.mgaccess.com/prod01.html 919-847-6819 Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD (in limbo) Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 19 22:21:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05422; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13788 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm03sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm03sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.152]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA11323 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr31-dialup37.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM03SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27035) with SMTP id <0EWD00IRJFTVQ8@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:20:22 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:18:26 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Saturday Ride...Caution Group To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <006b01bdb39d$d4118fc0$a54a37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Kirk wrote: * 20+ people showing up for one ride is a bit much and gets into requiring some real management. We usually aren't interested in having to do such management while out for fun rides... * 9+ people in a single group is too much. I think 5-6 is easily manageable and allows the group leader to scope out who's there and who isn't. If you've got more you need everyone to be reasonably experienced in group rides. Yes I agree. I don't know about the first group(15+), but having that many people in a group(9 or 10 in ours) was too hard to keep track of. Riding down a stretch of road and then stopping and waiting to see if everyone will make it ok is somewhat annoying. I'm just saying that groups of 4-6 people with equal abilities should ride together, that way the leader can see everybody in the group in his rear mirror on the straights and the pace can be set accordingly. This way, no one has to stop and wait. Then all the individual groups can meet at a central gathering point somewhere, say for lunch, so EVERYONE can be accounted for and swap some bench riding over food. I know that the 4 of us: Kirk(fearless leader) Hawk GT, myself - FZR 600, Chris - FZR 600, and Howard - YZF 750 had a blast on the way home after lunch. We had our own WSDYMFG forming and Kirk set a very nice pace, about 70 - 80 down the straights and around the cars and about double the posted mph or more in the twists. We ended up going down a road that was not on the map and turned out to be quite a ride! We even rode behind some kind of State Trooper/Park Police guy in a Cherokee that was setting a very decent pace! Sorry to Howard and Chris for passing on the inside of that 2 lane right hander. I was feeling "frisky" and wanted to get by the truck in front of you guys before the lanes went back down to one. I was waiting for you guys to pass earlier, but saw a pretty big opening and went for it. I made sure I didn't come close to anyone or cut you off. We were "flipped the bird" by some kids in a van when we passed them! How nice is that? Slabbing it home on 66 sucked, btw! Kirk, I hope you made it home by your "deadline". The first part of the ride(before lunch) was a little boring. A couple good roads in between, but didn't like the dirt on one and the loose gravel on the other. The turn that Scott went down on was something that I would not want to come across again. Gravel on the inside and middle of the lane, while going down hill and turning to the right pretty tight and a guard rail on the inside. I'm sorry Scott, at least you weren't hurt and your bike is repairable. I'm so glad you wore your leathers(jacket, boots, pants), I wish some others had at least worn "something". Shorts, t-shirt, and nike's is pushing it. Not that I care, to each his/her own. I was going to get my bike painted this week, but after some thinking, I think I am going to invest in some "protective gear" instead. I know, I should have done that a long time ago. I don't feel safe anymore in my jeans, motorcross jersey, and Sears work shoes. Especially after scraping my toes a few times and seeing the aftermath of a low side. Yes, yes, I'm somewhat of a squid, but hopefully a squid no more. Maybe I'll have something "protective" by the next ride. Congrads to Zbig for landing another "bird", but he couldn't join the fun. The same for Tom G.(ZX-11). Maybe next ride. It was nice to finally meet and put the faces/bikes with the email addresses. I didn't get to introduce myself to "everyone" but to who I did meet for the first time, it was nice. ================================== Jon Schumer dawn.jon@XXXXXX ICQ#11193913 ================================== -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Roy To: Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles Date: Sunday, July 19, 1998 4:37 PM Subject: Re: Saturday Ride...Caution Group On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 17:37:51 -0400 (EDT), Morris Berman wrote: >I hope we didn't worry anyone when we cut off onto 220(?) shortly after >the Burger King lunch stop. I just wasn't sure where Kirk was going when >he passed the 220(?) cutoff so we took it. As it was, I got home an hour >later than I should have been. So that's what happened! I hate having to follow signs to stay on a single route... By not turning we ended up on 50W/42S. When 42S broke off we took that. It turns out that there are some actual twisties on 42. We then turned onto 220N, which also had some twisties, and proceeded to 55E. Time was short so we didn't head down to 211... As for a ride report for my group, I suppose a brief one is in order... I didn't do the greatest job keeping everyone's name in order but here's a shot at the rider list: Kirk Roy - Hawk GT Scott R - FZR600 Morris Berman - GPZ1100 Jon S - FZR600 Chris ? - FZR600 Anita Lauro - GPZ1100 Tom Mersh - Medieval Torture Device Forgot name, sorry - YZF750 Dallas ? - Katana 600 This is my first attempt at leading the 'slower' group. I must say that it's pretty much just as difficult as leading a 'faster' group but in different ways. Not having ridden with anyone in this group besides Morris and knowing they were willing to be put in the 'slower' group made picking the pace a bit hard. I attempted a pace that didn't require me to use the brakes and kept me from leaning very much. This was slow enough (even too slow for some) but neglected a couple of the group's members. Since Tom had volunteered to sweep the group I didn't feel too bad and thought this pace was a good compromise. Unfortunately, we had a little technical difficulty on Springfield something Rd (just before getting onto 28). One of the riders had gravel trouble on a corner marked 20 mph. No real injuries to the rider but the bike was pretty well scraped up. The rider in question can provide details, I will not. Scott, Tom, and Anita were on tight schedules so they headed for home on 28S while the rest of the group took 28N. From 28 we made the turn onto 46 heading for Keyser. Our delays had apparently been too much for the 'faster' group to wait for so we lunched at the Burger King in Keyser on our own. It was here that we decided to make another split with Dallas and Morris heading for home and the rest of us seeking some twisties. The pace went up a bit and a traditional WSDYMFG ride ensued, at a little bit more sedate pace than usual. I think any of these guys would be just fine on the normal rides. I have some comments on the ride as a whole: * 20+ people showing up for one ride is a bit much and gets into requiring some real management. We usually aren't interested in having to do such management while out for fun rides... * 9+ people in a single group is too much. I think 5-6 is easily manageable and allows the group leader to scope out who's there and who isn't. If you've got more you need everyone to be reasonably experienced in group rides. * If an accident takes place behind you (or in front of you for that matter) you need to stop and check it out. This should be a requirement of group rides. Apparently (I didn't confirm) one of our group witnessed the crash but kept going. Not cool. Oh, there was still fun stuff... After riding back and confirming that the crash wasn't 'serious' I took Springfield whatever Rd at a faster clip than I had with the group. There are bunches of little rises on this road that will get the front and sometimes the rear of the bike airborne. Neato! One of these occurs into a corner. I managed to get both wheels off the ground while keeled over a bit... Am I ready for the Isle of Man? Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 19 22:33:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05522; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA14120 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:33:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm03sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm03sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.152]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA11490 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:33:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr31-dialup37.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM03SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27035) with SMTP id <0EWD00G2FGFFMA@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:33:17 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:31:22 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Saturday's Ride..Wow..!..Long To: DC-Cycles Message-id: <007201bdb39f$a2b0a720$a54a37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Craig wrote: >No sign of Group "b".....or not.....just as we were getting ready to be >served by our waitress >there was a ....sound in the >bachground...bbbrrrrrrrr..mmmmmmmpppppphhhhhh...1..2...3...4........ >4 of them with Kirk leading......hummmm....Quick someone go after >them... ...didn't they see our 11 bikes lined up outside ????...I heard >from the crowd >a moment later Todd and Glenn were off......Insert Theme From "Speed >Racer" Damn, we were looking all over Keyser for you guys. It took us longer than anticipated because there was a little "mishap" on our way to the 2nd stop. We just figured that we took way too long and that you guys just went ahead and left. Kirk had to improvise from Keyser, since we had no idea where we were headed......we found some great roads, though........ Great to hear that no one else had a "mishap" in group A. Jon Schumer -----Original Message----- From: Craig To: DC-Cycles Date: Sunday, July 19, 1998 5:41 PM Subject: Saturday's Ride..Wow..!..Long >The Plot Thickens... > >Attendees were :GROUP "a".... Glenn , Brain , Todd , Bruce , Craig , >Sean > John K., Steve B ., Roy , Gil , >Dave W., > > > GROUP "b"....Kirk , Anita , Alex , Jon S., >.......Help me here >I can't remember all the names..? 3 or 4 to more go... > >Shows but no ride...Z-big , Tom G. , Tom T. >nice bike Z :-)) > > > >Quite a large turnout....and what a varied group of bikes and >individuals we are.... > >All exceptionally nice , friendly ...you know the deal... > > >We departed Leesburg as a large group heading west out of town on Rt. 7 >at about 8:30. >And it was real nice that everyone arrived early... ;~) >Staying as a large group for the first 10 miles or so.. >Past Round Hill over the mountain to a left on Rt. 606 at the >Shennandoah River. > >By the end of Rt. 606 group "a" was turning right on Rt. 50 en-route for >Winchester.. >We meet up again with the second group at Capon Bridge for a gas-er- up >and ....yadda..yadda..yadda....Departs.. Tom M....c-ya... > >Group "a" we decided our next meeting point and group "a" departed for >Keyser ,W.Va... >The first part of this road # (?)absolutely SUCKED..it was bumpy and >slick as the ditches had just been graded and the dust/dirt was still on >the road... > >Upon our arrival at the next pre - chosen meeting site of Keyser , a >gas-er-up on Rt. 46 serviced our needs , while we waited for group >"b".....30 minutes later...where were you Group "b" ???....we decided to >leave heading West on Rt. 46 which turned us around twice (Us the MAIN >attraction during a local yokel's parade) once we got sorted out , we >got on Rt. 135 and then picked up Rt.38 and then Rt. 42...which turned >out to be really nice winding roads ....some corners had gravel in them >, but only 3 or 4 ... >Speed signs for the corners were WAY off though...could have done some >of the 35 mph's at 100 mph... > >Another encounter with Rt. 50 brought us to our long wanted and overdue >lunch break..... >The sight of Gretz's Restaurant in Mt. Storm ..and another gas stop..was >very welcome. > >No sign of Group "b".....or not.....just as we were getting ready to be >served by our waitress >there was a ....sound in the >bachground...bbbrrrrrrrr..mmmmmmmpppppphhhhhh...1..2...3...4........ >4 of them with Kirk leading......hummmm....Quick someone go after >them... ...didn't they see our 11 bikes lined up outside ????...I heard >from the crowd >a moment later Todd and Glenn were off......Insert Theme From "Speed >Racer" >the food was not all that good , but it served it's purpose..... >....Rest , Relaxation , Consumables....aaaahhhhhhh.....a sigh of >relief.. > >Group "b" has eluded us once again... :-(.....oh well.... >Rt. 50 east , led us to Rt.42 again all the way to Petersburg and Rt. 55 >east.... > >What a great bunch of roads.... > >Strausburg was the next stop..gas was consumed by all...bikes that is , >only a few expulsions... >we followed Rt. 55 into Flint Hill to pick-up Rt. 635 ....departs >Bruce..ppuurraaahhhh...c-ya... >onward went the many.....Rt 635 always tends to be a group separator and >again it strung us out , only to re-group at it's end near Marshall.... > >Rt. 55 east some more...Zula Rd east...Craig departs the >group....bbbrrrrrmmmpppp.....c-ya,,.... > >Take it from here someone...... > >Overall the day seemed to be enjoyed by all >Thanks to everyone in the Group I lead for exhibiting patience with that >frigging road we could not find , and having a safe and highly >enjoyable ride...Craig... > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 19 22:58:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05799; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA14925 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA11777 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:58:00 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id KYJOa04160; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:57:20 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <24c0d956.35b2b211@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:57:20 EDT To: zellto@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Streetfighter style bikes Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Here's the rundown (er, poor word choice) on the Nighthawk: 1985 Honda Nighthawk CB450SC Recent MD inspection (March) Kenda tires with less than 2,000 miles on 'em (also put on in March) Battery less than one year old Cover (w/bag), Clymer Manual, and cargonet included Fuel tank recently primed with Zinc Chromate (green) primer (original rusted out 2 winters ago Asking $1,000/OBO Looking to sell ASAP, so please give me a call at (301) 695-5993 for inquiries. Please leave a message! I'm willing to ride it to anyone seriously interested in buying it, and will deliver it (I'd need a ride a home though) to the buyer! Thanks!! Robert VanSlyke From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 04:37:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA09368; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 04:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA19513 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 04:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA16179 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 04:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA15691; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 04:33:39 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 04:32:28 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Saturday's Ride..Wow..!..Long To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35B24988.5B593712@anent.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, Craig wrote: > The first part of this road # (?)absolutely SUCKED..it was bumpy and > slick as the ditches had just been graded and the dust/dirt was still on > the road... Oh yeah.On the bump before the first downhill left-hander my left foot slipped off the peg(clutch pack is in the way) and I bounced it off the asphalt.Thank God for well constructed combat boots.I'm walking with a slight limp right now,prolly would've been worse had I had on sneakers. > leave heading West on Rt. 46 which turned us around twice (Us the MAIN > attraction during a local yokel's parade) once we got sorted out , we Heh.I think the local policia was getting a bit upset with us after the third pass. ;-) > we followed Rt. 55 into Flint Hill to pick-up Rt. 635 ....departs > Bruce..ppuurraaahhhh...c-ya... > onward went the many.....Rt 635 always tends to be a group separator and > again it strung us out , only to re-group at it's end near Marshall.... Forget which road it was,but anyone else almost eat that old-style delivery truck?He was right in the center of the lane and it was a close one. > Rt. 55 east some more...Zula Rd east...Craig departs the > group....bbbrrrrrmmmpppp.....c-ya,,.... Sorry to peel off like I did,but I had to get out of there.66 was nice and flat and straight. > Overall the day seemed to be enjoyed by all > Thanks to everyone in the Group I lead for exhibiting patience with that > frigging road we could not find , and having a safe and highly > enjoyable ride...Craig... I was having fun until a little after lunch.When I got home I had a harder time getting off my bike than my Grampa had getting out of bed. The gel pad helped,but I just can't take anymore 400 mile days with this POS.I'm afraid that Sat was the last long ride I do until I get another ride.This thing just beats the hell out of me(think I need to get me a SuperTanker 11 w/a Corbin,right Todd?).Even taking Tylonol didn't help. Hmmm...wonder how well the Fat Boy will handle a WSDYMFG run? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 05:15:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA09629; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 05:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA20432 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 05:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA16485 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 05:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA15865; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 05:12:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 05:09:55 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Friendly Bikers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <31631e52.35b292b4@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > while riding along Rock Creek Parkway the other day in a thin-strapped tank > top (snip) > anyway the point is that I was obviously a female ..... You don't think the tank top had anything to do with this? ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 06:15:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA09910; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 06:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA20998 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 06:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA17009 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 06:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA16058; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 06:11:53 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 06:00:53 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Product Review:CamelBak To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey all, Just a quick review of the CamelBak I bought for Sat's ride.For those of you not familier with it,it's basically a water bladder that you strap to your back,with a plastic hose attached for drinking. The backpack that holds the bladder is insulated,and does a pretty good job of keeping the liquid cool.I filled mine at about 0630 and it stayed cool until around 1300 or so. Before I got this,I would usually be wiped out from dehydration after a long ride on a hot day.Drinking Gatorade at every stop helped some,but like the literature says,by the time you're thirsty,it's too late.With the Camelbak I was taking sips from it all day and didn't feel bad at all(from dehydration,my seat is another story) at the end of the day. The only complaint is you have to fenagle the bite valve around a little to get it to work right inside a full face helmet. I give this item 5 stars and would heartily recommend it to anyone who's going to do a long ride in the heat.I paid $32.95 for mine on base;on the local economy you'll prolly spend a little more,but it's well worth it. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy (soon) Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 07:04:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA10087; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA22613 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17429 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id HAA12569 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:04:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Saturday's Ride..Wow..!..Long In-Reply-To: <35B24988.5B593712@anent.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, Craig wrote: > No sign of Group "b".....or not.....just as we were getting ready to be > served by our waitress there was a ....sound in the > bachground...bbbrrrrrrrr..mmmmmmmpppppphhhhhh...1..2...3...4........ > 4 of them with Kirk leading......hummmm....Quick someone go after > them... ...didn't they see our 11 bikes lined up outside ????... Er, we had stop looking for you by that point and were just enjoying the ride... > I heard from the crowd a moment later Todd and Glenn were off......Insert > Theme From "Speed Racer" That was a hopeless cause by that point in the day (as my 5:00pm get home time was seeming harder and harder to reach). > Group "b" has eluded us once again... :-(.....oh well.... > Rt. 50 east , led us to Rt.42 again all the way to Petersburg and Rt. 55 > east.... Well, it turns out that we did a similar route. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 07:05:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA10106; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA22621 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (known gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17443 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) with SMTP; 20 Jul 1998 11:05:01 UT Received: from sparta2.res.sprintlink.net (sparta2.res.sprintlink.net [199.0.235.44]) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA17702; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by sparta2.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA28061; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:04:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: Kirk Roy cc: "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Saturday Ride...Caution Group In-Reply-To: <35c079c1.217337893@beta.nova.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > As for a ride report for my group, I suppose a brief one is in > order... I didn't do the greatest job keeping everyone's name in order > but here's a shot at the rider list: > Kirk Roy - Hawk GT > Scott R - FZR600 > Morris Berman - GPZ1100 > Jon S - FZR600 > Chris ? - FZR600 > Anita Lauro - GPZ1100 > Tom Mersh - Medieval Torture Device > Forgot name, sorry - YZF750 > Dallas ? - Katana 600 Alex.. Katana 600.. but thats okay .. Dallas, hm? I think I'll have to show up next time in a cowboy hat and boots. Just call me tex. Or something. > This is my first attempt at leading the 'slower' group. I must say > that it's pretty much just as difficult as leading a 'faster' group > but in different ways. Not having ridden with anyone in this group > besides Morris and knowing they were willing to be put in the 'slower' > group made picking the pace a bit hard. I attempted a pace that didn't > require me to use the brakes and kept me from leaning very much. This > was slow enough (even too slow for some) but neglected a couple of the > group's members. Since Tom had volunteered to sweep the group I didn't > feel too bad and thought this pace was a good compromise. I was pretty happy with the pace. I was riding behind Morris, and would often lose him in the twisties. Damn if that man doesn't have balls to fling that big ass 1100 like he does. My "nimble" 600 was certainly not doing too well. I'm not embarassed though, as A. my suspension is set up like trash, and the back end is so wobbly its disgusting, and B. this was my *first* time riding in anything twisty. Ever. Just street riding for me before this. Having spent most of my riding time down in florida, this shouldn't come as a surprise.. a state with a highest elevation of 400 ft (which happens to be a landfill) doesn't have much in the ways of twisties. But still - I thoroughly enjoyed testing my skills in new ways! Twisties are fun! > Unfortunately, we had a little technical difficulty on Springfield > something Rd (just before getting onto 28). One of the riders had > gravel trouble on a corner marked 20 mph. No real injuries to the > rider but the bike was pretty well scraped up. The rider in question > can provide details, I will not. That turn was hairy as hell. I entered about 10 over posted, and as soon as I saw the gravel, straightened out and took it wide. Took it a touch too wide as I got closer to the other curb than I intended.. but that gave me a good scare. I was quite thrilled that I managed to "save myself" in it, though. Was quite close - at least it seemed that way to me. An ugly turn. > Scott, Tom, and Anita were on tight schedules so they headed for home > on 28S while the rest of the group took 28N. From 28 we made the turn > onto 46 heading for Keyser. Our delays had apparently been too much > for the 'faster' group to wait for so we lunched at the Burger King in > Keyser on our own. It was here that we decided to make another split > with Dallas and Morris heading for home and the rest of us seeking > some twisties. Alex, cowpoke. > * 20+ people showing up for one ride is a bit much and gets into > requiring some real management. We usually aren't interested in having > to do such management while out for fun rides... Well, I wouldn't have been opposed to an even smaller split, but here's the rub (at least the way I saw it).. the only ones who had any idea of where the hell we were going were the folks that drove fast as hell. So assuming 1 person knowledgable on the course per group, had we split up into two fast and two slower groups, thats two fast riders who now have to babysit slow riders. I thought it was pretty neat that 20+ people showed up.. nothing like 20 bikes pulling up to a stoplight, and all screaming away in unison.. that sounded great! > * 9+ people in a single group is too much. I think 5-6 is easily > manageable and allows the group leader to scope out who's there and > who isn't. If you've got more you need everyone to be reasonably > experienced in group rides. Well, this was my second group ride.. the first ending in me wrecking, two minutes into the ride. Boy did that suck. On the other hand, I wrecked close to civilization, and had that not taught me some caution, I most likely would have wrecked on THIS ride, and boy let me tell ya.. we were about as far from humanity as I cared to be. So all in all.. I'm looking at it as a learning experience. > * If an accident takes place behind you (or in front of you for that > matter) you need to stop and check it out. This should be a > requirement of group rides. Apparently (I didn't confirm) one of our > group witnessed the crash but kept going. Not cool. You may be thinking of me, but I didn't witness anything. We all pulled up next to the gas station (that was 10 feet away from that freaking air raid siren) and a guy in a red pickup came by and said "Hey, are you waiting for someone? If so, one guy wrecked back there but he said he was okay." I thought you had heard him, as you were about 5 feet in front of me... but no, I didn't see him wreck. I was hyperfocused on keeping myself rubber side down - I didn't even glance in my mirrors once. (Btw - Mirrors on a kat 600 suck. Absolutely. I pray my next bike has better ones). Perhaps I could have been more attentive, but being a "newbie" myself, I was just trying to keep my ass out of trouble. I hope I didn't violante any code or such thing.. just didn't see it. > Oh, there was still fun stuff... After riding back and confirming that > the crash wasn't 'serious' I took Springfield whatever Rd at a faster > clip than I had with the group. There are bunches of little rises on > this road that will get the front and sometimes the rear of the bike > airborne. Neato! One of these occurs into a corner. I managed to get > both wheels off the ground while keeled over a bit... Am I ready for > the Isle of Man? > > Kirk Only if you learn to manage your gas a bit better! Seriously, it was a really great time. I found out something profound this weekend.. 300 miles on a Kat 600 is a bad thing. About the only two things on my body which weren't sore and hurting were my face and my sack. The rest of me was a mess. A long nap and a few beers fixed that, though. I think I'll wait for that VFR750 (hopefully by this friday) before I go on any more monster trips though. Thanks to everyone, particularly Kirk for "biting the bullet" and leading us slow people. Yeah he bitched a little (grin), but can ya blame him? Squid that he is, I'm sure his heart was yearning to tear it up in every corner (grin).. naw I'm just kidding - he was a very competant leader. He even took charge of the whole burger king thing.. I dont think we could have gotten through it without him. One final thing. Its Alex. Pardner. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 07:10:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA10127; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA22690 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17516 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id HAA12613 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:10:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Saturday Ride...Caution Group In-Reply-To: <006b01bdb39d$d4118fc0$a54a37a6@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, Jon S. wrote: > I know that the 4 of us: Kirk(fearless leader) Hawk GT, myself - FZR > 600, Chris - FZR 600, and Howard - YZF 750 had a blast on the way home after > lunch. We had our own WSDYMFG forming and Kirk set a very nice pace, about > 70 - 80 down the straights and around the cars and about double the posted > mph or more in the twists. Er, Jon is probably talking about indicated speeds here... While we may have occassionally actually gone that fast we were generally just 10+speed limit. > Kirk, I hope you made it home by your "deadline". I got home at 5:10. Just 10 minutes past. Good deal. > Shorts, t-shirt, and nike's is pushing it. Not that I care, to each > his/her own. It would appear that there was a general consensus on that one. I don't personally want to clean up should someone go down while dressed that way. A crash may be unlikely but we've seen some good riders go down in situations that they had little recourse to stay upright. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 08:05:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10468; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA22954 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18173 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id IAA00993; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:04:12 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:04:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Saturday Ride...Caution Group In-Reply-To: <35c079c1.217337893@beta.nova.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII After Dallas (errr Alex, that is) split off, we also took US220 to 55 to 66. I quite agree 220 had some nice stuff in it, and so did 55 ( a few nice spots). YZF750 - Howard. And the gas can award goes to.... ;) It's a good thing I didn't hang with you after the BK. The wife would have been even more upset as I found out that she had plans for me to help clean for our 6:30 dinner guests. I did take her out for the 1st time on the streets on her GS650 last night. We rode up New Hampshire to Olney and then back to Silver Spring. Having not ridden in 3+ years (and that was only on on my '82 550 Maxim around a lab campus) she did quite well. There wre two problems though: 1. The right foot peg bracket is bent from a previous owner's accident. Anyone have one laying around that might fit? ITts an 82 GS650GL. I'll try the bone yard next weekend hopefully. 2. The clutch is hard to pull. I've tried shooting some lube down it. That seemed to help for a short while, bu tnot anymore. Any suggestions other than a new cable? Anyone ever used a boneyard cable, or is that ill-conceived? -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 08:13:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10528; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23068 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18266 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id IAA02373; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:12:25 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:12:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: Saturday's Oil Award Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I 'spose that I should be the recipient of Saturday's oil award. It was I who could be seen draining 1/2 qt of oil out of the GPz as Craig is saying, "let's mount 'em up." Approaching the Amoco it basically stopped shifting when I wanted it to, only did so when it felt like it (it didn't pop, the gear shift lever just didn't work most of the time). After draining the oil, that made a gigantic improvement, though I wasn't shifting as much as I otherwise would have been. I love that GPz motor, it only REALLY needs 3 gears. Anyway, when I took out Sunday it was doing still better. It still is a littl ehard shifting so I am wondering if it needs a clutch or anything. Serves me right for being negligent in my maintence. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 08:16:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10536; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23077 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18303 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807201215.IAA18303@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A4B8710196; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:14:51 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:03:23 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: logo In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:28 PM 7/17/98 -0400, SCOTT RUSH wrote: >My vote is for either 1b or 4. I like 1b because of the riders image on it and you can't really tell what kind of bike it is. My only suggestion for it would be to lightly outline that image so you can see it better when you get into the black areas. Entry 4, I just like. 1b is great! YAAYY-us! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 08:16:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10540; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23080 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18306 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807201215.IAA18306@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A4BC710196; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:14:52 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:07:39 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: early morning antics.. In-Reply-To: <35B02FE2.3E80@mnsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Chris Norloff wrote: >> Ah, the dynamics of traffic ... or ... Life in the Big City. Sometimes I >> zoom away from them, sometimes I like to get them all fired up then pull >> away slowly and let them race in front of me. I figure that way they're >> blocking for me. That's one good use for a car driver. At 10:17 PM 7/17/98 -0700, John C. Kozyn wrote: >Actually Chris, this is very good advice. I regularly try to use a cage >to run interference especially when crossing an intersection when the >sunlight is shining in the opposing traffic's eyes. I stay a bit behind >them near their blind spot, but with enough distance to compensate >should they want to change lanes. In fact I think all bikers should do >this rather than wanting to be the first to parade through an >intersection... There's times I like to be first, like after splitting up to the light, or when I want to out-distance the rat pack of cars, then slow and let them come through one at a time. But I really like using cars as blockers - let them take the damage, not me. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 09:08:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10874; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23563 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19182 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA13969 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:08:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Saturday Ride...Caution Group In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Alex Milenkovic wrote: > > Dallas ? - Katana 600 > > Alex.. Katana 600.. but thats okay .. Well, they sort of rhyme (say Dalex, see?). > Well, I wouldn't have been opposed to an even smaller split, but > here's the rub (at least the way I saw it).. the only ones who had > any idea of where the hell we were going were the folks that drove > fast as hell. Well, I actually had very little idea of where we were. Initially I just went where I was told to go. Luckily, when Tom took off he gave me the maps he printed from SA5. Unfortunately, he picked just one or two mags away from making the maps really functional... > You may be thinking of me, but I didn't witness anything. Well, like I said, I didn't confirm it so I didn't want to accuse. I thought the point was useful enough to make regardless of whether or not it was correct. I knew there was some room for misinterpretation there... > I hope I didn't violante any code or such thing.. just didn't > see it. Well, it is usually a good idea to keep an eye out for the guy behind you. However, Tom was 'sweeping' the group and I understand the difficulty to newbies in keeping track of everything. > Thanks to everyone, particularly Kirk for "biting the bullet" > and leading us slow people. You're welcome. > I dont think we could have gotten through it without him. Whoa, Tex! What ride were you on? While I realize our trek across the deserts of WV may have had some minor hardships I wouldn't expect you to never see the halls of home again without me! > One final thing. > Its Alex. Pardner. I won't forget! Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 09:11:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10893; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23630 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:11:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1d.yahoomail.com (known send1d.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.48]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19257 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980720130456.10628.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1d; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 06:04:56 PDT Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 06:04:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: Saturday's Oil Award To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Morris Berman MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry about that Morris ... I had so much on my mind ...you know with all the riders ..... grouping up....It's alot of mental shit for a leader to deal with.....espically when 23 people show for a ride and it more than you plan for... ---Morris Berman wrote: > > I 'spose that I should be the recipient of Saturday's oil award. It was > I who could be seen draining 1/2 qt of oil out of the GPz as Craig is > saying, "let's mount 'em up." Approaching the Amoco it basically stopped > shifting when I wanted it to, only did so when it felt like it (it didn't > pop, the gear shift lever just didn't work most of the time). After > draining the oil, that made a gigantic improvement, though I wasn't > shifting as much as I otherwise would have been. I love that GPz motor, > it only REALLY needs 3 gears. Anyway, when I took out Sunday it was > doing still better. It still is a littl ehard shifting so I am wondering > if it needs a clutch or anything. Serves me right for being negligent > in my maintence. > > -Mb > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX > '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. > -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- > > Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to > cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 09:16:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10984; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA23720 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19443 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) id ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:16:02 -0400 Message-ID: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC68@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: LDRider: Speed Trap Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:20:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) Content-Type: text/plain THERE IS A GOD ! Now, how do we send this to Arlington County? Tom M. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, July 17, 1998 2:30 PM > To: pete@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Fwd: LDRider: Speed Trap > > >This needs to happen more often. > >http://www.cnn.com/US/9807/16/fringe/speed.trap.ap/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 10:05:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11798; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24277 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21115 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:05:44 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WCJHa20769 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:04:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6d50b000.35b34e82@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:04:49 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LDRider: Speed Trap Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 I might have a solution for shutting down speedtraps too... Straight out of the WR Motorcycle Times, a report on the Harley-Davidson Electra Glide. One of the comments that is highlighted in the article: "If everyone rode Harleys, how would police departments cope with losing all of that income from speeding tickets?" Maybe I shoulda been on a Harley yesterday morning coming down 95 just north of baltimore. State trooper got me going 76.3mph in a 65. I was actually suprised he didnt get me going faster. I guess riding to cherry hill new jersey at 4 am for a job that didnt work out, then wanting to get home to sleep got the best of me. Sean G. Petr 98 "ticket-me-yellow" tlr From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 10:10:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11893; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:10:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24421 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:10:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.24]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21249 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) id ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:13:26 -0400 Message-ID: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC69@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Saturday Ride...Caution Group Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:14:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) Content-Type: text/plain > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, July 20, 1998 9:08 AM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Re: Saturday Ride...Caution Group > [Mersch, Tom] > Well, I actually had very little idea of where we were. Initially I just > went where I was told to go. Luckily, when Tom took off he gave me the > maps he printed from SA5. Unfortunately, he picked just one or two mags > away from making the maps really functional... > [Mersch, Tom] > Kirk [Mersch, Tom] Bitch, bitch, bitch. What a picky booger. Suck it up, it's as lonely at the front as it is at the top ;-) Seriously though, if we desire we can get much better visual aid produced with a little more lead time on details of the route, something which we could not have this time since it was at least partially an exlporing trip. Detailed visual aid where possible, rough guidance for exploring? Separate note: I think the leader/sweeper arrangement in the second group worked out pretty well. Kirk set a fun but not-too-scratchy pace at the front, and I ambled along at the back of the pack so that I wouldn't get too far behind but would still have plenty of time to react if I came upon a downed fighter. Tom M. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 10:44:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12354; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25011 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known [208.0.111.250] [208.0.111.250]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22150 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA9909 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:36:09 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:40:59 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:43:20 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jckozyn@XXXXXX Cc: Horkster@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My Tire is Screwed, Literally -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Installing a tube in a holed tubeless tire is generally considered the safest repair, and often is the only repair a shop will do because of liability concerns. It's the only one I'd be comfortable with. Plugs and Silly String are considered temporary repairs for getting you off the side of the road. Joe '85 Ninja 900 >>> "John C. Kozyn" - 7/18/98 1:12 AM >>> Dale Horstman wrote: > Or should I pull off the wheel and have it "done right" > by some putz at CPS? Dale, I had a nail in my tire, brought it to Art at RAW. He put a tube in for me. I didn't want to part with the tir since it was basically good and has at least 6K or so left on it. JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 10:49:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12457; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25160 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22284 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807201449.KAA22284@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A8B741052A; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:48:23 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:52:44 -0400 To: "Mersch, Tom" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: LDRider: Speed Trap In-Reply-To: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC68@RBMAIL103> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Well, they give publicaffairs@XXXXXX as the email address on the "County Gov't" page on the Arlington County web site ( http://www.co.arlington.va.us/ ) Let us know what they say! Chris Norloff ******************************************************* At 09:20 AM 7/20/98 -0400, Mersch, Tom wrote: >THERE IS A GOD ! > >Now, how do we send this to Arlington County? > >Tom M. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Friday, July 17, 1998 2:30 PM >> To: pete@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Fwd: LDRider: Speed Trap >> >> >This needs to happen more often. >> >http://www.cnn.com/US/9807/16/fringe/speed.trap.ap/ >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 10:58:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12563; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25488 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known [208.0.111.250] [208.0.111.250]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22567 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA10094 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:50:16 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:55:13 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:57:30 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: NJitzul@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Streetfighter style bikes -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline H-D is understandibly gun-shy about offering a "real" sporty thing after their Cafe Racer and XR1000 debacles (true, neither one was done right). Also, the Sportster 1200 Custom is outselling the Sport, a far superior piece, by a huge margin. They know their customer base contains far more profilers than scratchers. The good news: Bill Davidson, son of Willie G, is now in new product development. He has ridden fast bikes, maybe even owns a couple that he can't talk about. He's got history with the road racing team. Maybe a VR1000-based (Buell-framed?) sport bike would allow them to build a real performance bike without alienating the current faithful. Just a pipe dream, but a cool one . . . Joe '85 900 Ninja '68 FLH >>> "George Howell" - 7/18/98 2:00 AM >>> > Those are some cool looking bikes. And they don't have as much > chrome as alot > of the cruisers do! Can't be too bad keeping that chrome > polished. I'd almost > consider owning a bike that looked like a Streetfighter! Hmmm.... > I still have > my Nighthawk. Could be fun. If you can stuff one of those 1 liter motors into the frame:) That was a fun page. Almost had me calling down to Morton's to tell them not to bother with the K1100RS. Then my eyes started glazing over at the prices on those frames. Can't imagine what they'd cost for a custom BMW frame. (Although I have seen some airhead streetfighters). Now, if I could find a wrecked TL or VTR, that could be fun to build back up. BTW, was it just me, or did that XL streetfighter look an awful lot like a buell? Well, maybe not. But I would like to see HD make a real XLH sport, now that they have so much extra capacity. Fat chance that... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX ..... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 11:07:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12763; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27356 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:06:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA22979 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:06:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 93; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:06:24 -0400 Message-ID: <35B35CE9.277B2D72@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:06:17 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JOE NAGY CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jckozyn@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My Tire is Screwed, Literally -Reply References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Dale, > > I had a nail in my tire, brought it to Art at RAW. He put a tube in for > me. I didn't want to part with the tir since it was basically good and > has at least 6K or so left on it. > > JK Well, After trying the plug kit, and following the instructions carefully, and installing the plug, and finding that it easily pushed the whole way through the tire because the whole was so damned big, I decided to go ahead and put a new tire on the rear. The tube suggestion was be a good one, but I didn't want to have to pull the old tire off again in another few thousand miles when I finally wore out the tread. Safer and easier this way, all the way around, IMO. Thanks for all the input, folks. Ride Safe. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 11:14:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12995; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27980 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23297 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:13:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA30355; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:06:51 -0400 Message-ID: <35B35CA5.599DA870@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:05:09 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Morris Berman CC: "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: Lubing cables, Was:Saturday Ride. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Morris Berman wrote: > 2. The clutch is hard to pull. I've tried shooting some lube down it. > That seemed to help for a short while, bu tnot anymore. Any suggestions > other than a new cable? Anyone ever used a boneyard cable, or is that > ill-conceived? Cables get dirt in with the lube as they get old. If they sit in the rain, some rust will also get in there. The fix is to clean all that stuff out. Kerosene will work, but you have to run a lot of it through while moving the cable to wash it all out. I use a piece of rubber tubing, an oil can filled with kerosene and a couple of small hose clamps. A boneyard cable will probably have the same problem. A new cable is clean and easy, lubing the old cable is time-consuming and messy, yet cheap. What do you have more of, time or money? Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 11:34:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13350; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28612 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:34:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po4.wam.umd.edu (known po4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.166]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23949 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac1.wam.umd.edu ((IDENT root)@rac1.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.141]) by po4.wam.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.9.0.Beta6) with ESMTP id LAA28130; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac1.wam.umd.edu ((IDENT sendmail)@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac1.wam.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.9.0.Beta6) with ESMTP id LAA00140; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by rac1.wam.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.9.0.Beta6) with SMTP id LAA00130; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:34:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: rac1.wam.umd.edu: elkouss owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:34:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "Paul F. Elkouss" To: Leon Begeman cc: Morris Berman , "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Lubing cables, Was:Saturday Ride. In-Reply-To: <35B35CA5.599DA870@illuminet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I find it takes about 10 minutes. All you do is detach the cable from botht the lever and the clutch. And using a little cable lube doohicky ($5 or less) and a can of 6 in 1 oil, just spray oil through the cable. Put a rag at the bottom of the cable, 'cause the excess oil will drip out. Paul Elkouss University of Maryland 1990 Yamaha yx600 Radian On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Leon Begeman wrote: > Morris Berman wrote: > > 2. The clutch is hard to pull. I've tried shooting some lube down it. > > That seemed to help for a short while, bu tnot anymore. Any suggestions > > other than a new cable? Anyone ever used a boneyard cable, or is that > > ill-conceived? > > Cables get dirt in with the lube as they get old. If they sit in the > rain, some rust will also get in there. The fix is to clean all that > stuff out. Kerosene will work, but you have to run a lot of it through > while moving the cable to wash it all out. I use a piece of rubber > tubing, an oil can filled with kerosene and a couple of small hose > clamps. A boneyard cable will probably have the same problem. A new > cable is clean and easy, lubing the old cable is time-consuming and > messy, yet cheap. What do you have more of, time or money? > > Leon. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 11:45:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA13748; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:45:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28835 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA.COM (known pasha.com [207.32.107.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24628 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:43:48 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:33:40 -0400 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Saturday's Ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline RE: Saturday's Ride Look at the big brain on McCoy! :) Good to see everybody Saturday, and thanks to Craig, Glenn and Kirk for leading the groups. Glad the rider who went down was fine. Saw lots of curvy roads (some with nice beaches) and had a great time. Sean Sullivan 95 F3 Craig wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Plot Thickens... Attendees were :GROUP "a".... Glenn , Brain , Todd , Bruce , Craig , Sean John K., Steve B ., Roy , Gil , Dave W., GROUP "b"....Kirk , Anita , Alex , Jon S., .......Help me here I can't remember all the names..? 3 or 4 to more go... Shows but no ride...Z-big , Tom G. , Tom T. nice bike Z :-)) Quite a large turnout....and what a varied group of bikes and individuals we are.... <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 12:36:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14488; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03057 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26612 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA18445 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:35:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Saturday's Ride In-Reply-To: <19980720161030.13497.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Craig wrote: > Damn the spell check feature got me again...Guess i should not write > these when I am really tired huhhh......Oh , well i am after all > human....sorry Brian. Shoot, I've noted Brian being called Brain in several ride reports. I assumed it was just getting to be intentional. He has been buying Hondas, after all. :) <<< please note the smiley - I've been told by more than one that my non-use of :) or ;) type characters sometimes causes some confusion. I don't know how the world survived before the :) was created. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 12:38:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14564; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01389 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:10:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25632 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:10:54 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421C0EC6@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: NOVA ride on Sunday Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:09:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, I'm not doing a forma write-up.. just some comments.. Alan Wheat put on a pretty good ride for the 9 people who braved (ha) all 30 minutes of rain we encountered that morning. To bad for everyone else that turned around and rode with the storm and got wet all the way home only to see it clear up about an hour later.. we rode for a few minutes (on straight roads anyway) and everything was clear and dry by the time we got to the twisties.. Alan managed to keep a good pace for people like Todd and myself, but we didn't leave the other sporty riders to far behind.. and Anita did a good job of keeping the sightseers on the right path as well. The ride was somewhere between what I suspect the WSDYMG guys ride in groups of 5, and what the CAMS guys do.. fast enough to require most your attention, but slow enough to sightsee at the same time (I saw the house the Waltons was filmed in!). I'll definatally go on one of these rides again.. Sorry - no more writeup than that.. if you want to know what the ride was like, you should have joined us. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 12:39:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14572; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:39:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01090 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1c.yahoomail.com (known send1c.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25450 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980720161030.13497.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1c; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:10:30 PDT Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:10:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: RE: Saturday's Ride To: Sean Sullivan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Damn the spell check feature got me again...Guess i should not write these when I am really tired huhhh......Oh , well i am after all human....sorry Brian. ---Sean Sullivan wrote: > > RE: Saturday's Ride > > Look at the big brain on McCoy! :) > Good to see everybody Saturday, and thanks to Craig, Glenn and Kirk for leading the groups. Glad the rider who > went down was fine. Saw lots of curvy roads (some with nice beaches) and had a great time. > Sean Sullivan > 95 F3 > > Craig wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > The Plot Thickens... > > Attendees were :GROUP "a".... Glenn , Brain , Todd , Bruce , Craig , > Sean > John K., Steve B ., Roy , Gil , > Dave W., > > GROUP "b"....Kirk , Anita , Alex , Jon S., > .......Help me here > I can't remember all the names..? 3 or 4 to more go... > > Shows but no ride...Z-big , Tom G. , Tom T. > nice bike Z :-)) > > Quite a large turnout....and what a varied group of bikes and > individuals we are.... > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 13:00:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14907; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03840 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27308 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:01:38 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:01:04 -0400 From: "SCOTT RUSH" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Weekend ride Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Well guys and gals, except for my little accident, I really enjoyed the = ride Saturday. It was nice meeting all of you face-to-face and no, I am = not detered from riding my bike. The reason I bought a used bike was just = in case I did have an accident. Once I improve, then I=27ll get a new = bike to baby. I did go to the hospital to get x-rays taken of my = shoulder, just in case. Luckily, no broken bones or dislocated shoulder, = just badly bruised. So, now I=27m taking up a collection to replace my mirror, right front = fairing, fix stuck on brake light AND pay for x-rays. All contributions = welcome. VISA and Mastercard accepted. :-) Talk to you all later. Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 13:49:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16673; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05702 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00379 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA19854 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:48:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:48:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Reply-To: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: New rider training was Re: Weekend ride In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, SCOTT RUSH wrote: > Well guys and gals, except for my little accident, > I really enjoyed the ride Saturday. I'd like to get some ideas together for helping out new riders before they venture out on DC-Cycles rides. We've seen some crashing here this year (not suprising that it happened this year as the list has become pretty active in actually promoting riding together this year). I'd like to avoid most of the worries about this sort of thing. So, here's my first shot at a list of things newbies ought to do: * Take the Motorcycle Safety Foundation (MSF) beginner course at a community college near you * Take the MSF advanced rider course after you've been riding awhile (I think they recommend 6 months) * Find a big empty parking lot, preferably one without much in the way of oil spots and such - practice tight circles and figure 8s ...maybe we can do another of Leon's things... I don't know if it's good advice to recommend that you progressively lean further and further until you scrape something. That would give you a general idea of the leaning capability of your bike. * Don't go on any rides that accent things like: fast, far, peg scratching, double yellow passing, etc. * Do what you can to get dirt bike experience - gravel, sliding, etc will be a lot less worrisome afterwards We were all newbies at one point, although it may have been too long ago for many of us to remember. I actually didn't start going on recreational rides until last year (well I did ride in the dirt as a kid). Just a commuter before that. Once I did my first really twisty road (VA42 east of I-81 to the BRP) I was hooked. At that point I simply focused on doing what was necessary to improve in the cornering department and I saw vast improvements. There's still a long way to go in my personal development - that alone makes getting out and doing these rides interesting and worthwhile. As Keith Code says (paraphrased), if your maximum skill level is higher you'll have a greater reserve available in emergency situations. So, even if you don't desire to match the faster riders in the corners adding some reserve to your own arsenal is worth the effort. Give it some practice and attempt to improve in a progressive fashion. Develop good basic skills, they're worth more than all the fancy skills put together. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 13:53:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17033; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:53:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06114 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from davinci.hscribe.com (known [208.138.226.163] [208.138.226.163]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA01098 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:53:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mpetty.hscribe.com (URANIUM.hscribe.com [208.138.226.126]) by davinci.hscribe.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-29260U500) with SMTP id AAA147 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:47:12 -0400 X-Sender: mpetty@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: mpetty@XXXXXX (Mark Petty) Subject: Manassas Honda Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:47:11 -0400 Message-ID: <19980720174711889.AAA147@mpetty.hscribe.com> What's the word on them? Any good? I just bought a used bike with a rather sketchy maintenance record (nothing noted before the last owner, who only had it a year and a half), and I'd like to have someone make sure it's up to snuff. -Mark '83 Honda V65 Magna From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 14:18:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19112; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06769 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drquest.digex.net (known drquest.digex.net [204.91.98.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04835 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:18:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.17.2.14 (pix001089.staff.digex.net [206.205.169.101]) by drquest.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA10614; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:17:56 -0400 X-Mailer: InterCon tcpCONNECT4 4.0.2 (Macintosh) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9807201419.AA37289@172.17.2.14> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:19:37 -0300 From: "Matt Elliott - DIGEX" To: mpetty@XXXXXX (Mark Petty), dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Manassas Honda Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: Inline I vote in their favor. Labor seems to be a bit high (for general maintenance work, at least) but they seem to be honest and from what others have said on this list, they seem to fix any mistakes quickly and without hassle. Good luck, Matt 95 Nighthawk > What's the word on them? Any good? I just bought a used bike with a > rather sketchy maintenance record (nothing noted before the last > owner, who only had it a year and a half), and I'd like to have > someone make sure it's up to snuff. > > -Mark > '83 Honda V65 Magna > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 14:30:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19343; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06955 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:30:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05404 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:35:50 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: New rider training was Re: Weekend ride Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:35:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain On Monday, July 20, 1998 1:49 PM, Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] wrote: > * Don't go on any rides that accent things like: fast, far, > peg scratching, double yellow passing, etc. I think it would be a good idea for new riders to participate in more "structured" group rides first. Something like the Herndon Police Poker Run would have been an excellent way for newer riders to get accustomed to both riding on curvy back roads and riding in a group. The benefit is that the route has been planned out in advance to accomodate a wide variety of riders and bikes. One of Alan Wheat's NOVAMGR rides would be a good starting point as well. I'd also like to put together a few beginner friendly rides in the coming months. Group rides are a great way to meet new people and ride new roads, but I think the skill level of the rider needs to be well matched with that of the group. Anita '96 GPZ1100 PS - No offense intended to the WSDY folks, who certainly did their best trying to manage such a large group! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 14:30:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19348; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06959 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05409 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 251; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:29:37 -0400 Message-ID: <35B38CA8.8842DE04@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:30:00 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Petty CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Manassas Honda/Kawasaki References: <19980720174711889.AAA147@mpetty.hscribe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Petty wrote: > > What's the word on them? Any good? <> > -Mark > '83 Honda V65 Magna Well, since I try to avoid dealer's and shops on general principle, I guess it goes far in saying that if I needed something looked at on my bike, I would take it to Manassas Honda/Kawasaki first (yes, they now handle Big K stuff, too). Some of the parts guys are a little green, but the Service guys seem to know which end is up when it comes to motorcycles. They've been pretty good to me so far, so I keep going back there. About as glowing an endorsement as you'll ever get out of me. :) YMMV, as always. Good luck with the new scoot! -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 14:50:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19902; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07310 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06925 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tstraining3 (techsup-gw.corp.spg.erols.net [207.172.7.13]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA01611 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807201850.OAA01611@smtp3.erols.com> X-Sender: shadow96@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:54:40 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wes Fleming Subject: Re: Manassas Honda In-Reply-To: <19980720174711889.AAA147@mpetty.hscribe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My roommate bought a Nighthawk from them last year, got a pretty good deal. Had to haggle heavily on little things like center stand and engine bars. When he got his 600 mile service done, they had the bike for a week. I went out there with him twice and found the majority of the people there to be friendly. The only exception to that was a teenage punk a** working the parts counter. W At 13:47 20-07-98 -0400, you wrote: >What's the word on them? Any good? I just bought a used bike with a rather >sketchy maintenance record (nothing noted before the last owner, who only >had it a year and a half), and I'd like to have someone make sure it's up to >snuff. > >-Mark >'83 Honda V65 Magna > Wes Fleming, MA shadow96@XXXXXX 1996 Honda Shadow VT1100CT Everyone knows yellow's the fastest color... http://shadow.newspeak.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 15:01:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20089; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07663 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07416 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA07663; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:00:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980720190013.ETGN9887@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:00:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Anita Lauro CC: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: New rider training was Re: Weekend ride X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980720190013.ETGN9887@[166.41.242.141]> Anita Lauro wrote: >On Monday, July 20, 1998 1:49 PM, Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] wrote: >> * Don't go on any rides that accent things like: fast, far, >> peg scratching, double yellow passing, etc. > >I think it would be a good idea for new riders to participate in more >"structured" group rides first. Something like the Herndon Police Poker >Run would have been an excellent way for newer riders to get accustomed >to both riding on curvy back roads and riding in a group. This is something I was thinking of as well. The larger more structured "group" rides like poker runs will have predetermined routing and meeting places. They also require a small fee. The way it works is, you pay your fee and are handed a 'ride sheet' which is basically directions (which way to turn) to get you to the next stop. I don't think that new riders need to look elsewhere to ride and have fun if they want to ride with the DC-Cycles. It would simply require that whomever organizes the ride put together a 'ride sheet' with enough copies for anyone who wants one. I think it also requires that enough people be willing to step forward and lead smaller groups of riders. Glenn/Craig did a great job of hoisting 12-13 riders in the "fast" group on Saturday, but IMO that's 6-7 riders too many in a group situation for the pace being ridden. A 'ride sheet' would relieve some of the guessing that must go on when you're unsure where you're going, or how to get there. It could be set up to include rest stops and a group lunch spot allowing for exchanges in the sub-groups if desired. Just thinking outloud. Todd +-----------------------------+---------------+ | '91 ST1100 - Raven STeel | STOC #487 | | '92 CB750 - Carbon Beauty | HSTA #7615 | | '83 VT500 - Dark Shadow | AMA #542907 | +-----------------------------+---------------+ Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. The fearful are caught as often as the bold. -- Helen Keller From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 15:06:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20170; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08148 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07615 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:06:34 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id PAA07353 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:06:24 -0400 Message-Id: <199807201906.PAA07353@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:06:24 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:06:24 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:06:24 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:04:47 -0400 Subject: Re: Manassas Honda To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9807201419.AA37289@172.17.2.14> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME When I had probs with CPS, Honda Corp of America recommended Manassas and Leesburg Hondas as highly recommended. -aki > I vote in their favor. Labor seems to be a bit high (for general maintenance > work, at least) but they seem to be honest and from what others have said on > this list, they seem to fix any mistakes quickly and without hassle. > > Good luck, > > Matt > 95 Nighthawk > > > > What's the word on them? Any good? I just bought a used bike with a > > rather sketchy maintenance record (nothing noted before the last > > owner, who only had it a year and a half), and I'd like to have > > someone make sure it's up to snuff. > > > > -Mark > > '83 Honda V65 Magna > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 15:32:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20699; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:32:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10513 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA08549 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA22001 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:32:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: New rider training was Re: Weekend ride In-Reply-To: <19980720190013.ETGN9887@[166.41.242.141]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Todd Peer wrote: > It would simply require that whomever organizes the ride put > together a 'ride sheet' with enough copies for anyone who wants one. Does someone want to design a standard for this? I'd be willing to fill out something like this. It should also be understood that things will come up to mess up planned routes/meeting points (like on Saturday). > I think it also requires that enough people be willing to step > forward and lead smaller groups of riders. More of us need to step forward indeed. The same folks lead every time. I personally like to follow (particularly a closely matched group - seeing the wave effect of a group leaning into a corner one right after another is beauty) and have missed not having the opportunity very frequently. Being 'on display' every ride has some pressure associated with it. The fastest guys don't necessarily have to be up front all the time either. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 15:46:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20902; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10852 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09039 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:46:37 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421C0ED6@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: group rides.. Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:44:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'd have no problem leading, excapt for 2 major things - I have NO clue where I'm going most of the time where the typical ride leaders know the roads by heart and if I lead, the faster riders are going to want to blaze by me anyway - I'd just get everyone lost, and frustrated by holding them up.. If only I had a built in CD-rom for the map-n-go CD..... Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- More of us need to step forward indeed. The same folks lead every time. I personally like to follow (particularly a closely matched group - seeing the wave effect of a group leaning into a corner one right after another is beauty) and have missed not having the opportunity very frequently. Being 'on display' every ride has some pressure associated with it. The fastest guys don't necessarily have to be up front all the time either. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 15:54:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21044; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10946 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09265 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA06965 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:55:07 -0400 Message-ID: <35B3A040.63A538AF@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:53:36 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: New rider training was Re: Weekend ride References: <19980720190013.ETGN9887@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: >Glenn/Craig did a great job > of hoisting 12-13 riders in the "fast" group on Saturday, but IMO that's > 6-7 riders too many in a group situation for the pace being ridden. This brings up another problem. In a long string of bikes, the riders in the back have less time/distance to make a pass. The best place for a 'new' rider to be is 2d in line. The leader can easily leave enough room for one rider to follow. With another experienced rider in the back, the best/maximum group size would be three. I don't like riding in groups larger than three, the decisions get too complicated. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 15:58:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21114; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11022 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09395 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:58:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.42] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA01249 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:58:47 -0400 Message-ID: <35B35A56.CE5CA086@anent.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:55:18 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: New rider training was Re: Weekend ride References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amen Kirk...I will give up some time to come up with a form...and I also agree that more people need to lead...Perhaps every time we stop we should rotate in the pack, Leader to the back and everybody else moves up one spot..kinda setup...?? Kirk Roy wrote: > On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Todd Peer wrote: > > It would simply require that whomever organizes the ride put > > together a 'ride sheet' with enough copies for anyone who wants one. > > Does someone want to design a standard for this? I'd be willing to fill > out something like this. It should also be understood that things will > come up to mess up planned routes/meeting points (like on Saturday). > > > I think it also requires that enough people be willing to step > > forward and lead smaller groups of riders. > > More of us need to step forward indeed. The same folks lead every time. I > personally like to follow (particularly a closely matched group - seeing > the wave effect of a group leaning into a corner one right after another > is beauty) and have missed not having the opportunity very frequently. > Being 'on display' every ride has some pressure associated with it. The > fastest guys don't necessarily have to be up front all the time either. > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 16:00:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21137; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11049 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09423 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA03947; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980720195841.FKUW9887@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:58:41 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Kirk Roy CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: New rider training was Re: Weekend ride X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980720195841.FKUW9887@[166.41.242.141]> Kirk Roy wrote: >On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Todd Peer wrote: >> It would simply require that whomever organizes the ride put >> together a 'ride sheet' with enough copies for anyone who wants one. > >Does someone want to design a standard for this? I'd be willing to fill >out something like this. It should also be understood that things will >come up to mess up planned routes/meeting points (like on Saturday). The best design I've seen are the Potomac Area Road Riders (PARR) maps. They're done based on odometer reading like: Accummulated Odo.leg Direction Road Odo.miles 0.0 R out of lot BallsHill Rd. 0.0 0.7 S(traigt) BallsHill Rd. 0.7 6.8 L Hwy Rt29 7.5 1.2 R Sr 601 8.7 4.5 S Sr 666 13.2 . . . . . . . . . . . . 4.2 L into Check Amoco Station 47.8 At the Amoco (rest/gas) you'd reset your Odometer for the next leg. The only PARR rides I've ridden are poker runs. Each of the stops would allow for a rest, draw a card and pick up the 'ride sheet' for the next leg of the run. The sheets take a little time to assemble, but can be used and sometimes interchanged for different rides. Anyone with Street Atlas v5.0 can put one together with a fair degree of accuracy. I put one together for our ride up to Fredrick Harley/Buell (rained, remember) that was pretty cool. I'd be willing to do some more. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 16:12:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21582; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:12:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA11465 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:11:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA09721 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:17:43 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: Leon Begeman , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: New rider training was Re: Weekend ride Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:17:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain On Monday, July 20, 1998 3:54 PM, Leon Begeman [SMTP:mrider@XXXXXX] wrote: > This brings up another problem. In a long string of bikes, the riders > in the back have less time/distance to make a pass. The best place for > a 'new' rider to be is 2d in line. The leader can easily leave enough > room for one rider to follow. The only problem is that most newer riders like to ride towards the back. I know that I did! Otherwise faster riders tend to crowd you from behind, making you feel rushed and uncomfortable. If you are slower in the corners, you don't want faster riders behind you! As for passing in groups... that's a hard one. I don't like passing even when I'm riding by myself. Trying to get 4-5 bikes past a car (or more commonly, a piece of slow moving farm equipment) is a challenge. Yesterday as I was leading the "sightseeing group" several cars pulled over to let us pass. I was surprised, as I was hanging back a safe distance and not trying to rush anyone. Might have been because the faster group had already passed by! :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 16:37:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22081; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12224 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA10392 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA32002; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980720203554.FVQT9887@[166.41.242.141]>; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:35:54 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Leon Begeman CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: New rider training was Re: Weekend ride X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980720203554.FVQT9887@[166.41.242.141]> >This brings up another problem. In a long string of bikes, the riders >in the back have less time/distance to make a pass. The best place for >a 'new' rider to be is 2d in line. The leader can easily leave enough >room for one rider to follow. With another experienced rider in the >back, the best/maximum group size would be three. I don't like riding >in groups larger than three, the decisions get too complicated. 5-7 riders in a group are just as manageable as three, IF there is some coherent nature to the group in question. That's really the trick isn't it? Finding like minded riders that enjoy the same pace of riding eliminates any reason for decision making ;) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 16:37:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22084; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12222 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA10394 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:43:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: Todd Peer Cc: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: New rider training was Re: Weekend ride Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:43:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain On Monday, July 20, 1998 2:55 PM, Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] wrote: > I don't think that new riders need to look elsewhere to ride and > have fun if they want to ride with the DC-Cycles. It would simply > require that whomever organizes the ride put together a 'ride sheet' > with enough copies for anyone who wants one. I wasn't meaning to exclude new riders from dc-cycles rides... I was just thinking of ways for someone who has only done solo highway riding to safely "get up to speed" on twisty group rides while still having fun. Ride sheets are a big help though... personally I like to know where I'm going and when I'm going to get there! :-) I think Alan did a good job with the ones from yesterday... while not laying out all the odometer readings (which would have been nice!), they still got us from Point A to Point B. It's also helpful to know how long to the next rest/fuel stop... especially when you are getting tired! > I think it also requires that enough people be willing to step > forward and lead smaller groups of riders. Glenn/Craig did a great job > of hoisting 12-13 riders in the "fast" group on Saturday, but IMO that's > 6-7 riders too many in a group situation for the pace being ridden. Well, I am always willing to lead a "sightseeing group." Works out well because I don't have to worry about trying to keep up with the fast guys, or worry about someone slowing down suddenly in front of me. Give me a ride sheet and I'm good to go! :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 (1470 miles & counting since 6/26) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 16:38:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22101; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:38:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12249 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:38:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA10431 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.99] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA01375; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:36:06 -0400 Message-ID: <35B36311.36A7E361@anent.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:32:33 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: New rider training was Re: Weekend ride References: <19980720195841.FKUW9887@[166.41.242.141]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great idea Todd...If you have the map planner program that will certainly make life eaiser.. Otherwise I have to pre0ride everything to get the distances....I had planned on going with Route #'s and Town names.. Todd Peer wrote: > Kirk Roy wrote: > >On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Todd Peer wrote: > >> It would simply require that whomever organizes the ride put > >> together a 'ride sheet' with enough copies for anyone who wants one. > > > >Does someone want to design a standard for this? I'd be willing to fill > >out something like this. It should also be understood that things will > >come up to mess up planned routes/meeting points (like on Saturday). > > The best design I've seen are the Potomac Area Road Riders (PARR) maps. > They're done based on odometer reading like: > > Accummulated > Odo.leg Direction Road Odo.miles > 0.0 R out of lot BallsHill Rd. 0.0 > 0.7 S(traigt) BallsHill Rd. 0.7 > 6.8 L Hwy Rt29 7.5 > 1.2 R Sr 601 8.7 > 4.5 S Sr 666 13.2 > . . . . > . . . . > . . . . > 4.2 L into Check Amoco Station 47.8 > > At the Amoco (rest/gas) you'd reset your Odometer for the next leg. > The only PARR rides I've ridden are poker runs. Each of the stops > would allow for a rest, draw a card and pick up the 'ride sheet' for > the next leg of the run. > > The sheets take a little time to assemble, but can be used and sometimes > interchanged for different rides. Anyone with Street Atlas v5.0 can > put one together with a fair degree of accuracy. I put one together > for our ride up to Fredrick Harley/Buell (rained, remember) that was > pretty cool. I'd be willing to do some more. > > Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 16:39:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22134; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12280 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:39:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA10473 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.99] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA01386; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:39:21 -0400 Message-ID: <35B363D8.647A0D11@anent.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:35:52 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: group rides.. References: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421C0ED6@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had not been on alot of the roads we go on and I like to lead in those cases...I find it more of a thrill not knowing where the road goes.I had never been down 42 or 38 before yesterday... McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > I'd have no problem leading, excapt for 2 major things - I have NO clue > where I'm going most of the time where the typical ride leaders know the > roads by heart From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 17:13:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22679; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14396 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA11465 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:25:20 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Kirk Roy'" , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Saturday Ride...Caution Group Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:24:54 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) I have to agree here. I don't even like it that the group I usually ride with wears Jeans. Jeans just don't offer any protection. There really no better then shorts. One of the riders is purchasing some full leathers now, as for the others???? I'm glad all of our group made it just fine. Hope you and your bike are OK Scott. Sorry to everyone about the first road that apparently a road grader had just cleaned the ditches the day before. I knew the road was bit bumpy but didn't expect it to be a dirt track. :-( My bike registered just short of 400 miles for the day. One hell of a good ride. I'm really starting to dislike the roads in WV. Every_Single_Time I'm over there the damn things are full of gravel. As soon as we cross into VA or MD they are clean. What's the deal here? Anyhow, hell of a bike show in Leesburg Sat morning. Glenn Dysart > > Shorts, t-shirt, and nike's is pushing it. Not that I care, to each > > his/her own. > > It would appear that there was a general consensus on that one. I don't > personally want to clean up should someone go down while dressed that way. > A crash may be unlikely but we've seen some good riders go down in > situations that they had little recourse to stay upright. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 17:13:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA22680; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA14400 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA11468 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:39:25 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'SCOTT RUSH'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Weekend ride Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:38:52 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Have you taken any motorcycle safety courses? That might be a good place to dump some money. They are well worth that, especially with your experience level. At least you spent money on some good gear. More then I can say for a lot of other riders I have been seeing lately. Good luck and sorry you had to have a mishap. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: SCOTT RUSH [SMTP:SRUSH@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, July 20, 1998 1:01 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Weekend ride > > Well guys and gals, except for my little accident, I really enjoyed the > ride Saturday. It was nice meeting all of you face-to-face and no, I am > not detered from riding my bike. The reason I bought a used bike was just > in case I did have an accident. Once I improve, then I'll get a new bike > to baby. I did go to the hospital to get x-rays taken of my shoulder, > just in case. Luckily, no broken bones or dislocated shoulder, just badly > bruised. > > So, now I'm taking up a collection to replace my mirror, right front > fairing, fix stuck on brake light AND pay for x-rays. All contributions > welcome. VISA and Mastercard accepted. :-) > > Talk to you all later. > > Scooter > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 18:41:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24055; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA17698 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14208 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA00284 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35B3F27D.4D00@mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:44:29 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: WTB Computer Parts (No Moto Content) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gang Since you're all computer geeks, I thought I'd try fishing here... I'd like to find an _inexpensive_ tower with power supply to plug in some parts I have. TIA -- John Kozyn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 20:20:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA24873; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA18384 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA16404 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:20:01 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA05899; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807210013.UAA05899@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: New rider training was Re: Weekend ride To: peggrinder@XXXXXX (Craig) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35B35A56.CE5CA086@anent.com> from "Craig" at Jul 20, 98 03:55:18 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Amen Kirk...I will give up some time to come up with a form...and I also > agree that more people need to lead...Perhaps every time we stop we should > rotate in the pack, Leader to the back and everybody else moves up one > spot..kinda setup...?? > > Kirk Roy wrote: > > > On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Todd Peer wrote: > > > It would simply require that whomever organizes the ride put > > > together a 'ride sheet' with enough copies for anyone who wants one. > > > > Does someone want to design a standard for this? I'd be willing to fill > > out something like this. It should also be understood that things will > > come up to mess up planned routes/meeting points (like on Saturday). > > > > > I think it also requires that enough people be willing to step > > > forward and lead smaller groups of riders. > > > > More of us need to step forward indeed. The same folks lead every time. I > > personally like to follow (particularly a closely matched group - seeing > > the wave effect of a group leaning into a corner one right after another > > is beauty) and have missed not having the opportunity very frequently. > > Being 'on display' every ride has some pressure associated with it. The > > fastest guys don't necessarily have to be up front all the time either. > > > > Kirk > > > I can chip in with map preparation (may require visit in my house to set up routing properly), and I can lead some parts of the road. Problem is that if I do not know the road, I am gettign confused/stressed; usually it is not the fastest rider, but someone who knows the road. Maybe we need to explore MD to give Tom G a chance? Anyway, I will be happy to set the pace/run point as a part time job on weekends... Regarding dress: after witnessing and beeing a part of downsides, I think we need to clearly state that proper riding gear is required - at least as on MSF classes; adviced is full leather etc. Group and skill: we may work better on setting roads, so smaller groups can meet every few hours on the road. I woudl say starting point and lunch place are best for meeting, eventually if there is enough interested, we can finish with a grill/barbecue/some food together (i.e, my house is on the way from West to DC.. ) I am out to Ohio for trainig; I will be back on friday evening. I am interested in ride on Saturday, which will end up at John's party - so who is joinig ? _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 23:00:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26749; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA19053 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 22:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA19329 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 22:58:51 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WYMCa04520 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 22:55:20 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <1c5bd386.35b40319@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 22:55:20 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: If you see a gold 4Runner...tell him I said thanks... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 ...........FOR NOTHING! I got ran off the road today by a MF'n BDC on the Rolling Road exit from the FFX Co Parkway. I was coming up the exit ramp at a quicker clip then he/she, and "it" swerved right into my path. Only thing left for me to attempt was to open the throttle and go around on the shoulder. Didnt happen. That shoulder looks a lot bigger than it is. Next thing I know Im on a 1000cc dirtbike trouncing through the weeds at 35MPH. Im sure you can figure out the rest. To make a long story short, left side cosmetic damage to my TL. Dinged tank (oh well, new one on recall in a week), scratched fairing (oh well, painting it anyway), and a busted clutch lever (dads gonna weld it at work). So all in all, not bad for the bike. I, on the other hand, have a swollen knee, a good bit of minor road rash (or is it grass rash?) and a rather nasty laceration on my shoulder (read: meat showing). I am SOOOOO SOOOOORE! This has NOT been a good two weeks for me.......and Im going to start a new job tomorrow! Of course, the asshole didnt stop.....probably didnt even know it happened. Time to call the insurance company AGAIN! Damn. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 23:11:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26924; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:11:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19151 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19504 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.49] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id XAA00365 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:11:30 -0400 Message-ID: <01d101bdb454$e379ba20$3173c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Leather suit/pants recommendations Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:08:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Okay gang, I'm shopping for _2-piece_ leathers or a pair of pants to go with my Hein-Gereike (sp?) jacket. I would like to have some serious padding (ie: closed cell or hard armor) not just leather chaps. I don't really want a zooty race suit, rather something a little more dignified. I'm thinking about Z Custom ( http://www.zcustom.com/ ) so I can get custom sizing, armor, vents, pockets, colors etc. But I wanted to see if the list had any ideas, advice, warnings first. I decided if I'm going to go on WSGDYMF rides I should really do it right. Thanks everybody! Bruce Leesburg, VA '98 VFR800 "Tronix" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 23:13:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26964; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19163 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19537 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (max2p192.smart.net [206.97.127.192]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA08110; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:12:53 -0400 Message-ID: <010001bdb455$696839e0$3bf31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: , Subject: Re: If you see a gold 4Runner...tell him I said thanks... Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:12:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 -----Original Message----- From: To: Date: Monday, July 20, 1998 11:03 PM Subject: If you see a gold 4Runner...tell him I said thanks... >...........FOR NOTHING! I got ran off the road today by a MF'n BDC on the >Rolling Road exit from the FFX Co Parkway. I was coming up the exit ramp at a >quicker clip then he/she, and "it" swerved right into my path. Only thing >left for me to attempt was to open the throttle and go around on the shoulder. >Didnt happen. That shoulder looks a lot bigger than it is. Why not hit the brakes, may I ask? Is there something I'm missing? > Next thing I know >Im on a 1000cc dirtbike trouncing through the weeds at 35MPH. Im sure you can >figure out the rest. To make a long story short, left side cosmetic damage to >my TL. Dinged tank (oh well, new one on recall in a week), scratched fairing >(oh well, painting it anyway), and a busted clutch lever (dads gonna weld it >at work). So all in all, not bad for the bike. I, on the other hand, have a >swollen knee, a good bit of minor road rash (or is it grass rash?) and a >rather nasty laceration on my shoulder (read: meat showing). I am SOOOOO >SOOOOORE! >This has NOT been a good two weeks for me.......and Im going to start a new >job tomorrow! Of course, the asshole didnt stop.....probably didnt even know >it happened. Time to call the insurance company AGAIN! Damn. > >Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 20 23:19:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA27082; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19220 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:19:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19647 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (max2p192.smart.net [206.97.127.192]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA07941; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:06:06 -0400 Message-ID: <00fa01bdb454$77c51860$3bf31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" , "Craig" Cc: Subject: Re: New rider training was Re: Weekend ride Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:05:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 -----Original Message----- From: To: Craig Cc: Date: Monday, July 20, 1998 8:24 PM Subject: Re: New rider training was Re: Weekend ride >I can chip in with map preparation (may require visit in my house to >set up routing properly), and I can lead some parts of the road. >Problem is that if I do not know the road, I am gettign >confused/stressed; usually it is not the fastest rider, but someone >who knows the road. Maybe we need to explore MD to give Tom G a chance? You Virginians want to come up North? Come on up. Just tell me when my turn is so I can put something together. But this weekend I'd much rather hit 250/33 Craig leads those twisties the best. >Anyway, I will be happy to set the pace/run point as a part time job >on weekends... Glad to have you back, Z. >Regarding dress: after witnessing and beeing a part of downsides, I >think we need to clearly state that proper riding gear is required - >at least as on MSF classes; adviced is full leather etc. Who's buying? >Group and skill: we may work better on setting roads, so smaller >groups can meet every few hours on the road. I woudl say starting >point and lunch place are best for meeting, eventually if there is >enough interested, we can finish with a grill/barbecue/some food >together (i.e, my house is on the way from West to DC.. ) > > >I am out to Ohio for trainig; I will be back on friday evening. >I am interested in ride on Saturday, which will end up at John's party >- so who is joinig ? I'm in. Departure time will probably have to be pretty early to make the party. -- Tom Gimer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 00:17:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28114; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 00:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20807 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 00:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20620 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 00:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id AAA18647; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 00:15:37 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 00:15:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycle Subject: bikes for sale Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yamaha 550 Seca, 1982, 29,000 miles. Sporty standard, better for smaller than larger riders. Stock voltmeter (handy--or at least reassuring) and fuel gauge, automatic turn signal canceller. Runs pretty well, some cosmetic blems (e.g., ratty seat cover; missing 1 side cover). Has Accel coils and wires, aftermarket exhaust, upgraded fuse box, otherwise stock. There is also a spare motor, wheels, alternator, tank, and odds-n-ends. $950 for everything, $850 without spares. Oh, yeah, there's a minor electrical problem: neutral light is on (or off if I prefer) all the time---needs a new diode pack in the headlight shell (I have 2 and they're both bad--anyone got an extra?) Honda 400 Automatic, 1981, 28,000 mi. Great bike for city or new rider; but not enough reserve power for a steady diet of beltway/I-95 type traffic. Recently stolen and recovered, minor cosmetic (not dropped) damage, $700. (Thanks to Leon for his help.) Suzuki GS850, 1982, 5085 miles, shaft drive, Vetter fairing, hard bags, travel trunk, air horns, Pirellis, more. Excellent touring bike (see GS pages or Farokh's Suzuki list for testamonials): good handling, comfort, and power. I just don't use it enough to justify keeping it---but I'm already having second thoughts. $2500. --garcia 202-234-9229 11.a.m -- 11 p.m. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 07:36:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA01338; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23568 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA25683 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:36:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) id ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:35:36 -0400 Message-ID: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC6A@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Leather suit/pants recommendations Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:40:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) Content-Type: text/plain Let's see, serious padding, not zooty (dignity!), but perhaps meant for competition (serious padding usually is), and good, perhaps custom fit/options. I think you're on the right track. I looked at Zcustom's price list; the range seems to indicate that another viable option is something like the two-piece version of the Dainese Techno (which I just got) -- the pieces are black except for a swath of color across the chest and back (white, yellow, or red), the pants and jacket can be different sizes, and the only padding/armoring that is missing is a back protector. Jacket, pants, and back protector would be about 1400 retail. That's a little pricey. On the other hand, the leather is already so supple that the ensemble has required zero break-in. Check http://www.motorace.com for the online catalog. Don't remember what the item identifiers are, so look for Techno pants or Techno jacket and you'll see both. Tom M. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Norton [SMTP:bnorton@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, July 20, 1998 11:09 PM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Leather suit/pants recommendations > > Okay gang, I'm shopping for _2-piece_ leathers or a pair of pants to go > with > my Hein-Gereike (sp?) jacket. I would like to have some serious padding > (ie: > closed cell or hard armor) not just leather chaps. I don't really want a > zooty race suit, rather something a little more dignified. I'm thinking > about Z Custom ( http://www.zcustom.com/ ) so I can get custom sizing, > armor, vents, pockets, colors etc. But I wanted to see if the list had any > ideas, advice, warnings first. > > I decided if I'm going to go on WSGDYMF rides I should really do it right. > > Thanks everybody! > Bruce > Leesburg, VA > '98 VFR800 "Tronix" > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 07:38:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA01346; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23597 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:38:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA25708 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA01595 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:36:40 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: If you see a gold 4Runner...tell him I said thanks... Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:36:08 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Wow, what's this like two in less then a two week period? Maybe you should take the advanced rider course from MSF too. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > ...........FOR NOTHING! I got ran off the road today by a MF'n BDC on the > Rolling Road exit from the FFX Co Parkway. I was coming up the exit ramp > at a > quicker clip then he/she, and "it" swerved right into my path. Only thing > left for me to attempt was to open the throttle and go around on the > shoulder. > Didnt happen. That shoulder looks a lot bigger than it is. Next thing I > know > Im on a 1000cc dirtbike trouncing through the weeds at 35MPH. Im sure you > can > figure out the rest. To make a long story short, left side cosmetic > damage to > my TL. Dinged tank (oh well, new one on recall in a week), scratched > fairing > (oh well, painting it anyway), and a busted clutch lever (dads gonna weld > it > at work). So all in all, not bad for the bike. I, on the other hand, > have a > swollen knee, a good bit of minor road rash (or is it grass rash?) and a > rather nasty laceration on my shoulder (read: meat showing). I am SOOOOO > SOOOOORE! > This has NOT been a good two weeks for me.......and Im going to start a > new > job tomorrow! Of course, the asshole didnt stop.....probably didnt even > know > it happened. Time to call the insurance company AGAIN! Damn. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 07:41:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA01359; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23629 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA25753 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:41:25 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421C0EDC@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'WantAZX6@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: If you see a gold 4Runner...tell him I said thanks... Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:39:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jack, ever consider maybe it's your riding and not the people on the road? I mean, twice in as many weeks? I don't know all the details though, and perhaps they are accidents.. Anyway.. sorry to hear about it. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 07:55:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA01422; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23896 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA25974 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:55:32 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA00382; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807211157.HAA00382@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: New rider training was Re: Weekend ride To: tgimer@XXXXXX (Thomas H. Gimer) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Cc: zbig@XXXXXX, peggrinder@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <00fa01bdb454$77c51860$3bf31bce@richard> from "Thomas H. Gimer" at Jul 20, 98 11:05:46 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > > >Regarding dress: after witnessing and beeing a part of downsides, I > >think we need to clearly state that proper riding gear is required - > >at least as on MSF classes; adviced is full leather etc. > > Who's buying? > hey - I said as on MSF classes; you are always in your black jacket, jeans and shoes... and, you are grandfathered. > >I am out to Ohio for trainig; I will be back on friday evening. > >I am interested in ride on Saturday, which will end up at John's party > >- so who is joinig ? > > I'm in. Departure time will probably have to be pretty early to make the > party. > Good. State place and time. > > -- > Tom Gimer > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 08:00:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01464; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:00:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23957 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:00:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26044 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:00:04 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA00407; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807211202.IAA00407@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Leather suit/pants recommendations To: bnorton@XXXXXX (Bruce Norton) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <01d101bdb454$e379ba20$3173c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> from "Bruce Norton" at Jul 20, 98 11:08:45 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > Okay gang, I'm shopping for _2-piece_ leathers or a pair of pants to go with > my Hein-Gereike (sp?) jacket. I would like to have some serious padding (ie: > closed cell or hard armor) not just leather chaps. I don't really want a > zooty race suit, rather something a little more dignified. I'm thinking > about Z Custom ( http://www.zcustom.com/ ) so I can get custom sizing, > armor, vents, pockets, colors etc. But I wanted to see if the list had any > ideas, advice, warnings first. > > I decided if I'm going to go on WSGDYMF rides I should really do it right. Heinz Gericke makes nice pants ( that is the one I have ); thre are few models; V-pilot ( available mailorder ) Stealth ( branded Firstgear ); you can try them at Colemans :-). I have Stealth - nice padding in hips area, closed cell knee protectors; last year has a slick external pocket zipped on outside. Each model has zippers to zip jacket and pants together. > > Thanks everybody! > Bruce > Leesburg, VA > '98 VFR800 "Tronix" > > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 08:18:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01578; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24421 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26304 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807211218.IAA26304@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A6E23400C6; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:17:38 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:02:38 -0400 To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: If you see a gold 4Runner...tell him I said thanks... In-Reply-To: <1c5bd386.35b40319@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:55 PM 7/20/98 -0400, WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: >I got ran off the road today by a MF'n BDC on the >Rolling Road exit from the FFX Co Parkway. I was coming up the exit ramp at a >quicker clip then he/she, and "it" swerved right into my path. Only thing >left for me to attempt was to open the throttle and go around on the shoulder. >Didnt happen. That shoulder looks a lot bigger than it is. Next thing I know >Im on a 1000cc dirtbike trouncing through the weeds at 35MPH. Im sure you can >figure out the rest. >Jack Sorry to hear, and glad you're okay. This makes, what, two incidents in a two weeks? Time to re-think things. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 08:30:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01731; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24707 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (known gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26446 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:30:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) with SMTP; 21 Jul 1998 12:30:40 UT Received: from carthage. (carthage.res.sprintlink.net [199.0.235.38]) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA20889 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by carthage. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA21912; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:30:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:30:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles Subject: My bike for sale In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey gang. '97 Katana 600, 1500 miles on odometer for sale - $3500 OBO. Bike is salvage rebuilt, but title is fully in my name. Left fairing is scraped up, but if necessary, I can have the bike looking mint at time of delivery (I'm sure that would affect negotiations). Basically, you are getting the bike for $1500-2000 under wholesale, and in excellent condition. Reason? I'm getting a VFR 750. And anyone who thinks this bike sucks, ask the gang on saturday's ride.. I never had a problem with it at all. Ran like a champ, even in the twisties! Alex. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 08:43:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01839; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24803 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.24]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26572 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) id ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:45:49 -0400 Message-ID: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC6B@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: RE: If you see a gold 4Runner...tell him I said thanks... Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:47:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) Content-Type: text/plain Huh? Someone swerved into your acceleration lane? Was this one of those 'acceleration lane for this interchange turns into a decleration lane for the next interchange' arrangements? If not, what was the dimbulb doing; where did he/she think he/she was going to go? Tom M. > -----Original Message----- > From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX [SMTP:WantAZX6@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, July 20, 1998 10:55 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: If you see a gold 4Runner...tell him I said thanks... > > I was coming up the exit ramp at a > quicker clip then he/she, and "it" swerved right into my path.. > > Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 08:50:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01871; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24846 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send101.yahoomail.com (known send101.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.87]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26702 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980721124956.7963.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send101.yahoomail.com; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 05:49:56 PDT Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 05:49:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: bikes for sale To: dc-cycle , Garcia Oliver MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I know a couple riders that could this feature... ---Garcia Oliver wrote: >, automatic turn signal canceller. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 08:53:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01897; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24887 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1a.yahoomail.com (known send1a.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.22]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26763 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980721125207.7618.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1a; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 05:52:07 PDT Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 05:52:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: Leather suit/pants recommendations To: Bruce Norton , DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Smart man ...I'll be donning my suit for these events as well...no matter of temperture... Definately don't want to see any less on a rider than a leather jacket, Jeans (leather pants perferred), Boots and leather gloves..helmet of course ---Bruce Norton wrote: > I decided if I'm going to go on WSGDYMF rides I should really do it right. > > Thanks everybody! > Bruce > Leesburg, VA > '98 VFR800 "Tronix" > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 08:58:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01938; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24934 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1d.yahoomail.com (known send1d.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.48]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26828 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980721125136.5002.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1d; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 05:51:36 PDT Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 05:51:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: New rider training was Re: Weekend ride To: "Thomas H. Gimer" , "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" , Craig Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sounds like I'll Lead ..."At an accelerated rate" no b.s. playing...let's rock-n-roll..real time WSDYMOFO...Brirng a radar detector...we are gonna need it....Full Leather required...!!!! Lets plan on leaving at 8:00a.m. ---"Thomas H. Gimer" wrote: But this weekend I'd much rather > hit 250/33 Craig leads those twisties the best. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 09:21:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02169; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:21:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25190 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27250 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id JAA02865; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:19:46 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:19:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: The Next Ride Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm not sure if I can have my bike safety-wired in time for the tech. inspection for the next ride. When is it? -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 09:23:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02186; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25206 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27274 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yycNy-0000oW-00; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:23:18 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:21:35 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D888403@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Craig'" , Bruce Norton , DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Leather suit/pants recommendations Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:19:17 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Great idea, but kinda makes me look forward to winter! At least then I can ride in comfort. - Jeannette redheaded non-sun worshipper > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig [SMTP:tleatsducks@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 8:52 AM > To: Bruce Norton; DC-Cycles > Subject: Re: Leather suit/pants recommendations > > > > > Smart man ...I'll be donning my suit for these events as well...no > matter of temperture... > Definately don't want to see any less on a rider than a leather > jacket, Jeans (leather pants perferred), Boots and leather > gloves..helmet of course > > ---Bruce Norton wrote: > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 09:29:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02260; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25299 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27449 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06338 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:27:33 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Morris Berman'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: The Next Ride Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:26:58 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) I guess it all depends on who your riding with. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > I'm not sure if I can have my bike safety-wired in time for the tech. > inspection for the next ride. When is it? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 09:51:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02502; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25541 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:51:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cais.cais.com (known cais.cais.net [199.0.216.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28022 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (dynamic61.cais.com [207.226.56.61]) by cais.cais.com (8.8.5/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id JAA14827; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980721095105.0069f3f0@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:51:05 -0400 To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX From: Mike Subject: Re: If you see a gold 4Runner...tell him I said thanks... Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: <1c5bd386.35b40319@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sorry to hear 'bout that. I hope you feel better soon. I'll be toting my bazooka around looking for him, I don't live too far up the P-way from there. Mike B. 98 ZX 900R (Loki) At 10:55 PM 7/20/98 EDT, you wrote: >...........FOR NOTHING! I got ran off the road today by a MF'n BDC on the >Rolling Road exit from the FFX Co Parkway. I was coming up the exit ramp at a >quicker clip then he/she, and "it" swerved right into my path. Only thing >left for me to attempt was to open the throttle and go around on the shoulder. >Didnt happen. That shoulder looks a lot bigger than it is. Next thing I know >Im on a 1000cc dirtbike trouncing through the weeds at 35MPH. Im sure you can >figure out the rest. To make a long story short, left side cosmetic damage to >my TL. Dinged tank (oh well, new one on recall in a week), scratched fairing >(oh well, painting it anyway), and a busted clutch lever (dads gonna weld it >at work). So all in all, not bad for the bike. I, on the other hand, have a >swollen knee, a good bit of minor road rash (or is it grass rash?) and a >rather nasty laceration on my shoulder (read: meat showing). I am SOOOOO >SOOOOORE! >This has NOT been a good two weeks for me.......and Im going to start a new >job tomorrow! Of course, the asshole didnt stop.....probably didnt even know >it happened. Time to call the insurance company AGAIN! Damn. > >Jack > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 09:54:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02515; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:54:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25565 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA.ORG (known NB160-194.ibtnet.com [206.135.160.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28085 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:54:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA-Message_Server by ACA.ORG with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:49:21 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:53:14 -0400 From: David Wakefield To: bnorton@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Leather suit/pants recommendations -Reply "I decided if I'm going to go on WSGDYMF rides I should really do it right." Come on, man. If you want to do it right, you have to do it like that brain surgeon/rocket scientist did on Saturday. That's shorts, t-shirt, tennis shoes (with no socks), and a helmet (Yeah, Yeah, Yeah!). Gotta have that helmet! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 10:03:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02646; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25966 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28408 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA01935; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:02:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980721140223.YXUL8978@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:02:23 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: zbig@XXXXXX CC: peggrinder@XXXXXX (Craig), dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ride before the Party X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980721140223.YXUL8978@[166.41.242.141]> Zbig Wrote: >I am out to Ohio for trainig; I will be back on friday evening. >I am interested in ride on Saturday, which will end up at John's party >- so who is joinig ? A friend of mine is interested in riding up to Carlisle, PA for a car/bike show there, this Saturday. Ride up and be back in time for Johns get together. Anyone know about this show? Interested in joining? Let me know. All this subject to good wx, of course. One way is about 140miles on the slab. I'm figuring slab up and back roads home for about a 350-400 mile day. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 10:19:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02951; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26633 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28951 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yydGL-0006eG-00; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:19:29 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:17:48 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D88840C@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Leather suit/pants recommendations Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:15:30 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I can vouch for Heine Gericke as well. I have their leather overpants & they've worked great for me. - Jeannette > Heinz Gericke makes nice pants ( that is the one I have ); thre are > few models; > V-pilot ( available mailorder ) > Stealth ( branded Firstgear ); you can try them at Colemans :-). > > I have Stealth - nice padding in hips area, closed cell knee > protectors; last year has a slick external pocket zipped on outside. > > Each model has zippers to zip jacket and pants together. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 10:34:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03217; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27205 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seismo.CSS.GOV (known seismo.CSS.GOV [140.162.1.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29529 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydeco.CSS.GOV (zydeco.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.172]) by seismo.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA20874 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wharfrat..css.gov (wharfrat.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.205]) by zydeco.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA22517 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807211433.KAA22517@zydeco.CSS.GOV> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:32:29 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: Leather suit/pants recommendations In-Reply-To: <199807211202.IAA00407@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> References: <01d101bdb454$e379ba20$3173c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The NEDOD folks seem to have good things to say about Vanson Leathers: http://www.vansonleathers.com/ 'Course now, they're in striking distance to Vanson for the periodic open-houses they do, and can easily check out the stuff on the 2nd's rack, which reportedly, more often that not, has "near perfect" items at rock bottom prices. Have also heard many people be very satisfied with Ye-Olde AeroStitch suits. Don't have a URL, but: AEROSTICH Riderwear Eight South 18th Avenue West Duluth, Minnesota 55806-2148 Tel: 800-222-1994 Fax: 218-720-3610 See http://www.motorworld.com/features/roadcrafter/ for an example. There's also a place called "Motorcycle Leather Exchange" which, I think, is in Silverspring. Have seen URL's here on this list previously. -- The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the conspiracy is working. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 11:13:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04007; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29313 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.va.chesapeake-systems.com (known machine01.intelx.com [209.117.191.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00998 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by server.va.chesapeake-systems.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BDB498.7FA636B0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:12:50 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: MC Vacation Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:12:49 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am starting to plan a vacation for this October. It will start in Las Vegas for the AMA Superbike weekend and then wind through the Grand Canyon, Sedona, Santa Fe, and fly home from Albuquerque. I have read about some dual-sport motorcycle tours through old western ghost towns. Does anyone have any information or first-hand experience on these? Thanks, Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 11:37:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04512; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00467 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02250 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:39:07 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:38:37 -0400 From: "SCOTT RUSH" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: WTB Computer Parts (No Moto Content) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Where are you located? My firm is selling off our old 486 systems, w/o = monitors, for =24200-=24300. Since I=27m the tech support here, and in = charge of selling them, I=27m sure I could get you one. Scooter >Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:44:29 -0700 >From: =22John C. Kozyn=22 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: dc-cycles >Subject: WTB Computer Parts (No Moto Content) >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hey Gang > >Since you=27re all computer geeks, I thought I=27d try fishing here... = I=27d >like to find an _inexpensive_ tower with power supply to plug in some >parts I have. > >TIA >-- >John Kozyn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 11:49:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04610; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00895 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG.COM (known [198.69.199.15] [198.69.199.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02613 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GKMG-Message_Server by GKMG.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:50:56 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:50:24 -0400 From: "SCOTT RUSH" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: thanks for the concern Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Well, the shoulder is still sore, but better. Thank God for cows=21=21=21 = :-) Can=27t wait for the next ride. But, I won=27t be able to make any = this weekend if any are in the works, folks are coming to town. :-( =20 I do agree with all the suggestions about ride sheets and maybe breaking = into smaller groups. Sorry about the late response to that, I had a = couple days worth of the digest version to go through. :-) Other than = that, I thought our fearless leader Kirk did a fine job. =20 When I talked to my mother about the ride, neglected to mention accident = :-), she said if we had just gone a little farther north into PA, we could = have stopped at their house. Then I told her how many people went on the = ride. She wasn=27t sure how her and the neighbors would handle 20+ bikes = pulling into the driveway. But, that=27s a thought for next time. :-) = Since Kirk and I are from the same area, I=27m sure we could get everyone = REALLY lost. Right Kirk. :-) Later, Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 11:53:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04652; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:53:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00988 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02808 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id LAA00851; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma000814; Tue, 21 Jul 98 11:53:19 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:53:06 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/20/98 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:53:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >Now, how do we send this to Arlington County? > >Tom M. Do you really find a lot of enforcement in Arlington? In my neck of the woods (Lyon Park) it's about nonexistent. Considering how many people run lights and tear along at ridiculous speeds near where I live, I find myself wishing they'd step up enforcement. Maybe it's different in other parts of Arlington. --John Whiteside From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 12:08:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04888; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01291 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03403 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:14:39 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Yet another Saturday Ride! Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:14:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Hey, do we have a lot of choices around here, or what? Fast/slow, long/short.. whatever you want! :-) I'm planning on doing 150-200 miles on Saturday morning. Don't know the route yet... might try one from Dale Coyner's book or I might grab a route sheet off of the 'net. In any event, it'll be an early start (8 or 9 am) so that we can get back to Northern VA no later than 2-3 pm. This will definitely be beginner friendly. I'll have ride sheets available... anyone who wants to go on ahead at a faster pace is welcome to. Starting point and more details will be posted in a day or two. Anita '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 12:29:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05364; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01552 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.rtcdirect.com (known ns.rtcdirect.com [208.138.238.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04339 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grover.rtcdirect.com ([192.168.16.9] (may be forged)) by ns.rtcdirect.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA05294 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:39:54 -0400 Received: by GROVER with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3MQJC0WQ>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:31:13 -0400 Message-ID: <71D739DB74A8D111BB1800805FA9C49526F95C@GROVER> From: "Westbrook, Richard" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Crossroad Cycles Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:31:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sorry to post this to the whole list, but does anyone have the number handy for Crossroad Cycles at Baileys Crossroads. Please respond to me privately. Thanks Rich Westbrook From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 12:37:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05514; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01648 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04655 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA10650 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:36:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Dc-Cycles rides Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Here's another thought... In the bicycling community there are different categories used to designate recreational rides put on by clubs. Here's the basic gist: AX - race pace, hills taken at maximum speed, 22+ mph avg spd AA - fast pace, hills taken with vigor, 18-22 mph avg spd A - fast touring pace, pace slows on hills, 16-20 mph avg spd B - touring pace, pace slows significantly on hills, 14-18 avg C - slow touring pace, etc... Instead of hills we'd have corners to use as one of the breaks for the group. Here's a quickie of a couple categories: AX - fast sporting pace, corners taken just short of race pace, double yellow passing when necessary C - beginner pace, corners taken at cautious pace, no passing Rides could be announced with subjects like: Saturday ride, 400 miles, AX-AA pace Just thinking 'out loud'. As Morris pointed out we'll start having tech inspections for the AX-AA rides. Dang, that won't do. Here's the :). Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 12:45:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05672; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01761 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (known gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04904 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) with SMTP; 21 Jul 1998 16:45:08 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA04549; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:45:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: Anita Lauro cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yet another Saturday Ride! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, Anita Lauro wrote: > Hey, do we have a lot of choices around here, or what? Fast/slow, > long/short.. whatever you want! :-) > > I'm planning on doing 150-200 miles on Saturday morning. Don't know the > route yet... might try one from Dale Coyner's book or I might grab a > route sheet off of the 'net. In any event, it'll be an early start (8 > or 9 am) so that we can get back to Northern VA no later than 2-3 pm. > > This will definitely be beginner friendly. I'll have ride sheets > available... anyone who wants to go on ahead at a faster pace is welcome > to. Starting point and more details will be posted in a day or two. > > Anita > '96 GPZ1100 Ooh. Another ride. Count me in. Alex. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 12:54:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05773; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01858 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:53:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05084 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:53:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yyffe-0002Ts-00; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:53:48 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:52:02 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D888418@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Kirk Roy'" , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Dc-Cycles rides Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:49:44 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Jeez, we're starting to sound organized. I'm scared. ; ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 12:37 PM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Dc-Cycles rides > > Here's another thought... In the bicycling community there are > different > categories used to designate recreational rides put on by clubs. > Here's > the basic gist: > AX - race pace, hills taken at maximum speed, 22+ mph avg spd > AA - fast pace, hills taken with vigor, 18-22 mph avg spd > A - fast touring pace, pace slows on hills, 16-20 mph avg spd > B - touring pace, pace slows significantly on hills, 14-18 avg > C - slow touring pace, etc... > > Instead of hills we'd have corners to use as one of the breaks for the > group. Here's a quickie of a couple categories: > AX - fast sporting pace, corners taken just short of race pace, > double yellow passing when necessary > C - beginner pace, corners taken at cautious pace, no passing > > Rides could be announced with subjects like: > Saturday ride, 400 miles, AX-AA pace > > Just thinking 'out loud'. > > As Morris pointed out we'll start having tech inspections for the > AX-AA > rides. Dang, that won't do. Here's the :). > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 13:06:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06135; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02005 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05617 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA16148 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:04:40 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Whiteside, John'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Traffic enforcement in Arlington, was RE: dc-cycles digest for 07 /20/98 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:04:07 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Same here. I drive thru Arlington everyday down Columbia Pike and only once have I ever seen a cop doing radar. I have seen them do radar many times on Washington Blvd (between 50 and Clerendon) and also on S. George Mason Drive. The only enforcement I really see in Arlington is parking enforcement. I used to work with a guy who's brother was an Arlington cop. He said doing radar was only allowed on overtime that Arlington County wanted them to spend their normal shift doing more useful things. Also beware of the "red light cameras" in Arlington. One is located at 50 and Filmore heading east, the other is on Columbia Pike headed west across the street from Bad Habit's bar. I understand the law allows them to send the ticket to you as long as three years from the time the infraction occurred. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Do you really find a lot of enforcement in Arlington? In my neck of the > woods (Lyon Park) it's about nonexistent. Considering how many people run > lights and tear along at ridiculous speeds near where I live, I find > myself > wishing they'd step up enforcement. Maybe it's different in other parts of > Arlington. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 13:07:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06146; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02013 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.24]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05627 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:06:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub101.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) id ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:09:46 -0400 Message-ID: <5731E91FCE0ED211B05B0020484016A326CC6D@RBMAIL103> From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/20/98 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:11:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) Content-Type: text/plain Not a lot of enforcement, just questionable enforcement. e.g., I got nailed (48 in a 30 zone) on 10th St (going to Rt 50) by the typical speed trap complement: one with radar, one pulling people over. The very next day they had disappeared, and I followed an Arlington county cruiser thru the 30 zone at the speed everyone was doing -- 45. Can't see any particular, or even aggregate, reason for the 30 limit. Apparently, neither did anyone else, including the cop I was following. > -----Original Message----- > From: Whiteside, John [SMTP:jwhiteside@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 11:53 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/20/98 > > >Now, how do we send this to Arlington County? > > > >Tom M. > > Do you really find a lot of enforcement in Arlington? In my neck of the > woods (Lyon Park) it's about nonexistent. Considering how many people run > lights and tear along at ridiculous speeds near where I live, I find > myself > wishing they'd step up enforcement. Maybe it's different in other parts of > Arlington. > > --John Whiteside From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 13:30:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06672; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02330 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:30:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06839 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:30:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:30:24 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421E0C35@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Dc-Cycles rides Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:28:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Heck, we really could mess everyone up and do tech inspections of bikes and gear. Thinks like full fingered leather gloves, no obviously neglected helmets and they must be no more than 4 years old, leathers or similar riding gear (unless on a C ride, then jeans will do). Lots of small tech things on the bikes like making sure the brakes are functional, no slop in the head bearings, good rubber, etc.. etc.. etc... but then there would only be a few people who could ride - Craig would have been out for the balding tire up front, I would have been out for the minor oil drip.. etc... BUT, this might not be such a bad idea for the AX rides (traditional WSDYMG riding) - not that we all shouldn't be doing this ourselves all the time anyway.. *shrug* one less unknown if the bikes have been inspected.. might keep someone from getting hurt sometime too.. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 13:32:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06797; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02343 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hermes.crosslink.net (known hermes.crosslink.net [206.246.124.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07059 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16168 invoked from network); 21 Jul 1998 17:32:12 -0000 Received: from external-modem-3-222.loudoun.com (HELO lcsa3.loudoun.com) (208.232.171.222) by hermes.crosslink.net with SMTP; 21 Jul 1998 17:32:12 -0000 Message-ID: <01c701bdb4cd$ec2b54c0$1606030a@lcsa3.loudoun.com> From: "Gary Foreman, LCSA" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Riding Apparel Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:34:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I was going to join a ride one weekend...now I find out I have nothing to wear :-( Frown on it as you may, I don't wear leathers (jacket sometimes if I can tolerate the heat), and sneakers. I have been known on occasions to wear shorts of short jaunts, but usually camo heavy military pants (gotta love all those pockets). I've been riding for 31 years and don't plan on changing. BTW, my 5'11" 270lb frame in a full leather suit (if there is even one that fits) would not be a thing of beauty...as a matter of fact it ain't much to look at in shorts either :-) Since I can't pass tech, I will smile and wave as I go by. As the fellow who can afford Viagra says "No hard feelings!" Gary W. Foreman Email: gforeman@XXXXXX Web: http://www.fj1100.com `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸ A SUPERIOR Pilot may be defined as one who stays out of trouble by using his SUPERIOR judgement to avoid situations which might require the use of his SUPERIOR skills From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 13:34:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06827; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02360 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07143 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:34:18 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA29284; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:36:20 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa29167; Tue, 21 Jul 98 13:35:29 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EWG00J70GR1GN@XXXXXX>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 85256648.00606428 ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:32:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:32:43 -0400 Subject: RE: Dc-Cycles rides To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <85256648.006068A4.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Yeah, scary ... and I think that was the REAL reason the CAMS split off :-) --chris From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" Jeez, we're starting to sound organized. I'm scared. ; ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 12:37 PM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Dc-Cycles rides > > Here's another thought... In the bicycling community there are > different > categories used to designate recreational rides put on by clubs. > Here's > the basic gist: > AX - race pace, hills taken at maximum speed, 22+ mph avg spd --snip-- ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 13:34:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06833; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:34:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02364 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ams.amsinc.com (known ams.amsinc.com [162.70.244.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07149 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:34:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by ams.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id NAA01679 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 85256648.00608329 ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:34:10 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256648.005FC4CB.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:29:33 -0400 Subject: Re: Traffic enforcement in Arlington, was RE: dc-cycles digest for 07 /20/98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I take drive 29 daily (between 66 and Glebe Rd.) and frequently see cops with radar...be careful on that stretch of road in the morning and evening. They're not cars with guns on the back window either...its cops with the hand-held units running from behind trees out into the middle of the road when you're a mile or so away :-0 By the time you see the guy it may be too late. I always watch people's brake lights...there's nothing better at spotting cops than one or more sets of eyes 100 yards in front of you :-) And hey, lets be careful out there! -Doug 81 GS 750 L douglas_brashear@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 13:36:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06867; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:36:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02394 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07236 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:36:32 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WYYLa03745 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:35:23 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: If you see a gold 4Runner...tell him I said thanks... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 In a message dated 98-07-21 08:47:40 EDT, you write: << Was this one of those 'acceleration lane for this interchange turns into a decleration lane for the next interchange' arrangements? If not, what was the dimbulb doing; where did he/she think he/she was going to go? >> The exit ramp starts as a single lane but opens up to 3 lanes at the end. They were in the left lane, me in the right a few feet behind. They realized they needed to be in the right lane and came across the lanes....almost into me! I had to swerve onto the shoulder to avoid being nailed, but the shoulder ran out quickly. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 13:41:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06954; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02516 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:41:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07450 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA17611 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:39:38 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Riding Apparel Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:39:06 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) You may change your mind if you ever eat the asphalt. Live and Learn is the best teacher. I know for one I won't be on the street without all of my gear. I'd rather go home and take a shower from sweat then to be scrubbed down in a hospital. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Frown on it as you may, I don't wear leathers (jacket sometimes if I can > tolerate the heat), and sneakers. I have been known on occasions to wear > shorts of short jaunts, but usually camo heavy military pants (gotta love > all those pockets). I've been riding for 31 years and don't plan on > changing. > > BTW, my 5'11" 270lb frame in a full leather suit (if there is even one > that > fits) would not be a thing of beauty...as a matter of fact it ain't much > to > look at in shorts either :-) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 13:42:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06969; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02532 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (known usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07467 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:41:16 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 21 Jul 1998 13:41:12 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 21 Jul 1998 13:41:12 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 0732835B4D2B8008-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 0732835B4D2B8008 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <0732835B4D2B8008*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 21 Jul 1998 13:41:12 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: Kirk Roy (IPM Return requested), DC-Cycles Mailing List (IPM Return requested) Subject: RE: Dc-Cycles rides Message-Id: <0732835B4D2B8008*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> I haven't been able to get out for a group ride with you guys yet, (I'm hoping to get out this weekend). But from my days as a bicycle racer I have to agree that Kurt has a good idea. Mixing and matching riders of different speed and ability is asking for nothing but trouble. For many people, myself included, if you are one of the slower riders you will not want to hold up the group so you are more apt to take chances and get yourself in trouble. The key thing to making this type of system work is riders objectively evaluating their riding skills. Don B. ---------- From: O'Brien, Jeannette[SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 1:02 PM To: 'Kirk Roy'; DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Dc-Cycles rides Jeez, we're starting to sound organized. I'm scared. ; ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 12:37 PM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Dc-Cycles rides > > Here's another thought... In the bicycling community there are > different > categories used to designate recreational rides put on by clubs. > Here's > the basic gist: > AX - race pace, hills taken at maximum speed, 22+ mph avg spd > AA - fast pace, hills taken with vigor, 18-22 mph avg spd > A - fast touring pace, pace slows on hills, 16-20 mph avg spd > B - touring pace, pace slows significantly on hills, 14-18 avg > C - slow touring pace, etc... > > Instead of hills we'd have corners to use as one of the breaks for the > group. Here's a quickie of a couple categories: > AX - fast sporting pace, corners taken just short of race pace, > double yellow passing when necessary > C - beginner pace, corners taken at cautious pace, no passing > > Rides could be announced with subjects like: > Saturday ride, 400 miles, AX-AA pace > > Just thinking 'out loud'. > > As Morris pointed out we'll start having tech inspections for the > AX-AA > rides. Dang, that won't do. Here's the :). > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 13:45:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07026; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02616 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07544 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:45:27 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id NAA22254 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:45:19 -0400 Message-Id: <199807211745.NAA22254@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:45:19 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:45:19 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:45:19 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:44:19 -0400 Subject: RE: Dc-Cycles rides To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421E0C35@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.ar> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME Maybe it's just me, but this is starting to sound more and more like Big Brother to me...aren't we also the same people who decry foul when govt imposes requirements on us on what we should wear? Now we're suggesting that in order to be in the "in" crowd, we must also conform to self imposed rules that have absolutely nothing to do with local laws, just to come along for the ride. This crap about not wearing jeans and inspecting each others bikes IMHO, is just ridiculous..I have worn and will continue to wear jeans on EVERY ride that *I* chose to ride on and ain't nobody going to tell me that I can't. If that's what it takes to ride along with dc-cycles, then I for one will just skip the whole thing. And I suspect that there are alot of other folks that will do likewise. -aki > Heck, we really could mess everyone up and do tech inspections of bikes > and gear. Thinks like full fingered leather gloves, no obviously > neglected helmets and they must be no more than 4 years old, leathers or > similar riding gear (unless on a C ride, then jeans will do). Lots of > small tech things on the bikes like making sure the brakes are > functional, no slop in the head bearings, good rubber, etc.. etc.. > etc... but then there would only be a few people who could ride - Craig > would have been out for the balding tire up front, I would have been out > for the minor oil drip.. etc... BUT, this might not be such a bad idea > for the AX rides (traditional WSDYMG riding) - not that we all shouldn't > be doing this ourselves all the time anyway.. > > *shrug* one less unknown if the bikes have been inspected.. might keep > someone from getting hurt sometime too.. > > Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM > US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 > Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 13:50:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07091; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02843 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:49:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (known imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07634 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:49:53 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 9WWCa27696; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9618a7e7.35b4d482@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:48:35 EDT To: anita@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Yet another Saturday Ride! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Sounds good! You can count me in! Looks like another early saturday. I'm getting to know the route down to Leesburg really well. Maybe I'll try something else to get some variety! Just kidding. Robert VanSlyke (Bug eater no more!) 83 Shadow 750 85 Nighthawk 450 (please take me away!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 13:52:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07169; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:52:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02940 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07786 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA18188 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:52:04 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id NAA22605 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:51:53 -0400 Message-Id: <199807211751.NAA22605@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:51:53 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:51:53 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:51:53 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:49:50 -0400 Subject: RE: Riding Apparel To: Dysart@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME I can see a certain level of safety as paramount...I would never avocate wearing shorts and flip flops whilst one rides, however if you have to dress up like nanook of the north everytime you ride, what's the purpose? You might as well ride a cage and save the post ride hosedown.. -aki > You may change your mind if you ever eat the asphalt. Live and Learn is the > best teacher. I know for one I won't be on the street without all of my > gear. I'd rather go home and take a shower from sweat then to be scrubbed > down in a hospital. > > Glenn Dysart > dysart@XXXXXX > > 84 V30 Magna > > > > Frown on it as you may, I don't wear leathers (jacket sometimes if I can > > tolerate the heat), and sneakers. I have been known on occasions to wear > > shorts of short jaunts, but usually camo heavy military pants (gotta love > > all those pockets). I've been riding for 31 years and don't plan on > > changing. > > > > BTW, my 5'11" 270lb frame in a full leather suit (if there is even one > > that > > fits) would not be a thing of beauty...as a matter of fact it ain't much > > to > > look at in shorts either :-) > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 13:53:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07193; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03006 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07841 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:53:37 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id NAA22702 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:53:28 -0400 Message-Id: <199807211753.NAA22702@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:53:28 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:53:28 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:53:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:51:38 -0400 Subject: RE: Dc-Cycles rides To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: 0732835B4D2B8008 X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME how about we make it simplier and just announce invites to rides that will be breaking all applicable traffic laws and others that won't....this isn't rocket science... -aki > I haven't been able to get out for a group ride with you guys yet, (I'm > hoping to get out this weekend). But from my days as a bicycle racer I > have to agree that Kurt has a good idea. Mixing and matching riders of > different speed and ability is asking for nothing but trouble. For many > people, myself included, if you are one of the slower riders you will not > want to hold up the group so you are more apt to take chances and get > yourself in trouble. > > The key thing to making this type of system work is riders objectively > evaluating their riding skills. > > Don B. > > ---------- > From: O'Brien, Jeannette[SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 1:02 PM > To: 'Kirk Roy'; DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: RE: Dc-Cycles rides > > Jeez, we're starting to sound organized. I'm scared. ; ) > > - Jeannette > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 12:37 PM > > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > > Subject: Dc-Cycles rides > > > > Here's another thought... In the bicycling community there are > > different > > categories used to designate recreational rides put on by clubs. > > Here's > > the basic gist: > > AX - race pace, hills taken at maximum speed, 22+ mph avg spd > > AA - fast pace, hills taken with vigor, 18-22 mph avg spd > > A - fast touring pace, pace slows on hills, 16-20 mph avg spd > > B - touring pace, pace slows significantly on hills, 14-18 avg > > C - slow touring pace, etc... > > > > Instead of hills we'd have corners to use as one of the breaks for the > > group. Here's a quickie of a couple categories: > > AX - fast sporting pace, corners taken just short of race pace, > > double yellow passing when necessary > > C - beginner pace, corners taken at cautious pace, no passing > > > > Rides could be announced with subjects like: > > Saturday ride, 400 miles, AX-AA pace > > > > Just thinking 'out loud'. > > > > As Morris pointed out we'll start having tech inspections for the > > AX-AA > > rides. Dang, that won't do. Here's the :). > > > > Kirk > > X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 21 > Jul 1998 13:41:12 -0400 > X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 21 Jul 1998 13:41:1 > 2 -0400 > Content-Return: Allowed > X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) > Conversion: Allowed > Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited > Alternate-Recipient: Allowed > X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX > X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <0732835B4D2B8008*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+d > ot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 13:54:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07198; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03021 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07852 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:53:48 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WQULa13455 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <861dc4e7.35b4d57f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:53:02 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Dc-Cycles rides Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 I like the rating system. Knowing what to expect on a ride will help riders decide whether or not to attend. I mean, I'll ride any ride (at my own pace), but would stick to the rides that sound most interesting to me! Robert VanSlyke From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 13:58:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07353; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03555 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08111 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA18597 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:56:42 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Riding Apparel Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:56:12 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) You know its not that big a deal to put on leather pants instead of jeans, boots instead of sneakers. And how hard is it to put on a jacket? Were not talking about dressing with 1000 layers here, just one good one. Hell, the aerostich suits are about the easiest things I've seen to put on and off. Again its your skin, value it as you wish. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > I can see a certain level of safety as paramount...I would never avocate > wearing shorts and flip flops whilst one rides, however if you have to > dress up like nanook of the north everytime you ride, what's the purpose? > You might as well ride a cage and save the post ride hosedown.. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 14:00:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07398; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:00:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03717 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08173 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:59:50 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id BTRSa04520; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <701061eb.35b4d6ea@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:59:05 EDT To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Dc-Cycles rides Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 I'm in favor of inspections, but they should be within reason. I agree with apparel, though I wear jeans all the time and a ratty old leather jacket (looking at the Hein Gereike Boost Jacket as a replacement). Granted, I'm not going on any AX rides anyway (I prefer to cruise on my cruiser). Bike inspections should also be done according to the type of ride. Just my $0.02!! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 85 Nighthawk 450 (will it ever say goodbye?) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 14:06:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07849; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04249 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08915 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:05:56 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id BYCTa06640; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:04:23 EDT To: gforeman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Riding Apparel Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 I own several pairs of BDUs (remnants of my few Air Force days) and believe they offer as good of pretection as jeans. They do have alot of nifty pockets (maybe I'll wear mine sometime too), and tend to be very comfortable. I've found that once I get moving, almost any leather jacket will be comfortable in the heat. I'm not saying that you should change or be excluded because of what you wear. You can ride with me anytime. You know the risks you're taking, and that's what counts to me. Robert VanSlyke From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 14:08:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07937; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04390 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09095 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yygqB-0002VK-01; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:08:43 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:07:01 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D88841B@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'aki.damme@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Dc-Cycles rides Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:04:42 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I wear leathers when I ride myself, but I agree with Aki. No one is going to tell me how/when/where, etc. to ride. I feel free when I ride, that's one of the major reasons I ride. : ) Now, what if Squeakers were still on the list? Jeez, we'd have a flame war going for DAYS!! ; ) - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: aki.damme@XXXXXX [SMTP:aki.damme@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 1:44 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Dc-Cycles rides > > Maybe it's just me, but this is starting to sound more and more > like Big Brother to me...aren't we also the same people who decry > foul when govt imposes requirements on us on what we should wear? > > > > > Heck, we really could mess everyone up and do tech inspections of > bikes > > and gear. Thinks like full fingered leather gloves, no obviously > > neglected helmets and they must be no more than 4 years old, > leathers > or > > similar riding gear (unless on a C ride, then jeans will do). Lots > of > > small tech things on the bikes like making sure the brakes are > > functional, no slop in the head bearings, good rubber, etc.. etc.. > > etc... but then there would only be a few people who could ride - > Craig > > would have been out for the balding tire up front, I would have been > out > > for the minor oil drip.. etc... BUT, this might not be such a bad > idea > > for the AX rides (traditional WSDYMG riding) - not that we all > shouldn't > > be doing this ourselves all the time anyway.. > > > > *shrug* one less unknown if the bikes have been inspected.. might > keep > > someone from getting hurt sometime too.. > > > > Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM > > US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 > > Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 14:10:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07964; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:10:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04561 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seismo.CSS.GOV (known seismo.CSS.GOV [140.162.1.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09148 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydeco.CSS.GOV (zydeco.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.172]) by seismo.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA29913 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wharfrat..css.gov (wharfrat.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.205]) by zydeco.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA05308 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807211809.OAA05308@zydeco.CSS.GOV> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:06:51 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: RE: Dc-Cycles rides In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421E0C35@hqmail04.hecsa.usac e.army.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >*shrug* one less unknown if the bikes have been inspected.. might keep >someone from getting hurt sometime too.. > Is this really a hardware problem, or a wetware problem? Perhaps I'm taking ya'll to seriously, but, it sounds to me like there haven't been so many bike difficulties as there have problems with people trying to ride above their level and or not using their heads. No ammount of bike safety inspections is going to make up for actual hours in a saddle, educated riders and common sense. We should be encouraging one another to ride safely, and helping each other learn what that is, not being nazi's about the precise specs of riding apparel and machinery involved in a group ride. We are, with the obvious exception of Zbig, all adults here. Time to start acting like it. Engage your brain before engaging your clutch. -- The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the conspiracy is working. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 14:10:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07963; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:10:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04560 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seismo.CSS.GOV (known seismo.CSS.GOV [140.162.1.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09147 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zydeco.CSS.GOV (zydeco.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.172]) by seismo.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA29912 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wharfrat..css.gov (wharfrat.CSS.GOV [140.162.3.205]) by zydeco.CSS.GOV (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA05305 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807211809.OAA05305@zydeco.CSS.GOV> X-Sender: brown@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:04:13 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dan Brown Subject: Re: Traffic enforcement in Arlington, was RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/20/98 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:04 PM 7/21/98 -0400, you wrote: >Same here. I drive thru Arlington everyday down Columbia Pike and only once >have I ever seen a cop doing radar. I have seen them do radar many times on >Washington Blvd (between 50 and Clerendon) and also on S. George Mason >Drive. The only enforcement I really see in Arlington is parking >enforcement. I see radar pretty regularly... like once a month, at least, near the intersection of Clarenden and N. Rhodes, coming up the hill after getting off of 50. They often have a couple of Motorcycle cops sitting there with handheld units. Its a 25mph (why?) zone, and you can't see the cops until you get up the hill and around the curve, almost on top of them. -- The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the conspiracy is working. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 14:12:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08008; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04778 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09209 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:12:15 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WUWFa20769 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:11:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:11:37 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: No more bug eating! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 I finally went out today and bought a new HJC CL-12 helmet from JT Motorsports Suzuki. I was in there for over an hour trying on and examining helmets. I already had a preset price range. The CL-12 was simply the most comfortable helmet with the best features for the money. And they took of 10% because I'm a regular (not bad for a Honda rider at a Suzuki dealer!). I took it out for an hour long ride afterwards and love it! It's comfortable and quiet at every speed I tried (including triple digits.. I know, shame, shame!). It's a big change from the 3/4 Vega helmet I'm retiring. No more bug eating for me! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 85 Nighthawk 450 (please buy so I don't have to sell to dealer!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 14:16:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08072; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:16:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA04991 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09323 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:16:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id OAA07927; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:14:48 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:14:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: Tech. Inspection Suggestion Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The suggestion of tech. inspections was made sarcastically. IMHO, announce the ride and the intended generalized pace. Those that don't want to go that fast shoudln't join that ride. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 14:17:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08090; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05021 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09346 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19333 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:15:16 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Riding Apparel Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:14:49 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) >I own several pairs of BDUs (remnants of my few Air Force days) and believe >they offer as good of protection as jeans. They do have alot of nifty pockets >(maybe I'll wear mine sometime too), and tend to be very comfortable. Which is basically no protection. >I've >found that once I get moving, almost any leather jacket will be comfortable in >the heat. Agreed. >I'm not saying that you should change or be excluded because of what >you wear. You can ride with me anytime. You know the risks you're taking, and >that's what counts to me. I guess. Glenn From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 14:19:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08133; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05090 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09413 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (max2p183.smart.net [206.97.127.183]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA29206; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:19:24 -0400 Message-ID: <016201bdb4d4$09048700$d57f61ce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: , Subject: Re: Dc-Cycles rides Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:18:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 I don't want to get covered in blood while trying to help someone who decided he was going to ride without proper protective gear....and I don't think anybody else I ride with wants to either. It seems like a pretty simple rule to me. As far as rides taken at a more leisurely pace, nobody gives a shit what anybody else is wearing. -----Original Message----- From: To: Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 1:56 PM Subject: RE: Dc-Cycles rides >Maybe it's just me, but this is starting to sound more and more >like Big Brother to me...aren't we also the same people who decry >foul when govt imposes requirements on us on what we should wear? > >Now we're suggesting that in order to be in the "in" crowd, we must >also conform to self imposed rules that have absolutely nothing to >do with local laws, just to come along for the ride. > >This crap about not wearing jeans and inspecting each others bikes >IMHO, is just ridiculous..I have worn and will continue to wear jeans >on EVERY ride that *I* chose to ride on and ain't nobody going to >tell me that I can't. If that's what it takes to ride along with >dc-cycles, then I for one will just skip the whole thing. > >And I suspect that there are alot of other folks that will do likewise. > >-aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 14:23:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08297; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05309 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09678 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yyh41-0003sl-01; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:23:01 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:21:18 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D88841E@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Burger, Donald '" , Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Dc-Cycles rides Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:19:00 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I went on some of the faster DC Cycles rides when I was a brand-spanking newbie and at least for me, I'd have to disagree. I KNEW I was slow & sucked on my bike but having others to watch helped me. Of course, I saw them only for a few seconds until they blasted away, but there was only someone in front of me & someone behind me (thank you, you helpful volunteers) giving me pointers when we'd stop. I don't think I would've realized some of the mistake I was making without the rider(s) behind me pointing them out. Of course, I asked them to, they weren't doing anything I didn't want them to, & I'm the type that takes advice well from those who are more learned than me at something. Jeez, was I SLOW, though!! : ) Everyone was so nice & helpful that I think it helped improve my skill level. The faster riders split off from the main group of sightseers/slower riders, so everyone was free to do their own pace. The one thing I heartily agree with that has to be the ultimate limiter is what Don said: riders objectively evaluating their own skills. Unfortunately some riders do get caught up in the competition thing and/or think they're more skilled than they are, I guess... - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Burger, Donald [SMTP:Donald.Burger@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 1:41 PM > To: Kirk Roy; DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: RE: Dc-Cycles rides > > I haven't been able to get out for a group ride with you guys yet, > (I'm > hoping to get out this weekend). But from my days as a bicycle racer > I > have to agree that Kurt has a good idea. Mixing and matching riders > of > different speed and ability is asking for nothing but trouble. For > many > people, myself included, if you are one of the slower riders you will > not > want to hold up the group so you are more apt to take chances and get > > yourself in trouble. > > The key thing to making this type of system work is riders objectively > > evaluating their riding skills. > > Don B. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 14:25:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08336; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05418 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (known oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09760 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA23301 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:25:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:25:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dc-Cycles rides In-Reply-To: <701061eb.35b4d6ea@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII One issue I was waiting to see pop up hasn't: Liability. I'd be concerned that inspecting and passing/rejecting bikes might some day be seen as accepting responsibility. I think if I were to lead (might do this some day, you never know...) -- if *I* were to lead, I'd say "ride your own ride, wreck your own wreck" In other words, I refuse to even give the appearance of taking any responsibility for anyone else's ride, or safety. This doesn't mean I don't care, or that I wouldn't stop and try to help a downed rider, but with the freedom to fly comes the freedom to fall. It's the same coin, and the coin is worthless without both sides. The problem (at least around this lawyer intensive area) is that as soon as you appear organized, you leave yourself open... Even the organized/standardized ride sheets, and ride ratings may imply some sort of a warranty. Oops, didn't mean to ramble so much! Pete. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 14:26:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08356; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05476 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09791 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:26:37 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id OAA24750 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:26:29 -0400 Message-Id: <199807211826.OAA24750@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:26:29 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:26:29 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:26:29 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:24:00 -0400 Subject: RE: Riding Apparel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Dysart@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME > You know its not that big a deal to put on leather pants instead of jeans, > boots instead of sneakers. And how hard is it to put on a jacket? Were not > talking about dressing with 1000 layers here, just one good one. Hell, the > aerostich suits are about the easiest things I've seen to put on and off. > Again its your skin, value it as you wish. > > Glenn Dysart > dysart@XXXXXX > > 84 V30 Magna You know, there's alot of anti-motorcyclist lobby groups right here in D.C. that would LOVE to have you on their staff...I mean for gods sake, LISTEN to yourself...are you advocating that EVERYONE should wear what YOU think is acceptable? Until there's a law and you and everyone else is openly willing to run out and buy me all the gear you so avidly push, then I'll continue to wear whatever I want and yes I know the consequences..I've layed down a bike more than once...why don't we just put training wheels on all the bikes so they won't tip over? And what the hell is anyone going so fast that they're breaking the law anyhow? Most of the recent lowsides seems to have been when people either went well above their level of ability or were openly (and admittedly) speeding well beyond the posted speed limits...I mean we've openly discussed passing double yellow lines like it's a routine thing and then we have the BALLS to complain about BDC's? What type of group is this turning into? It sounds to me like we're becoming our own worst enemy and EXACTLY what cagers complain about whenever they mention motorcyclists. -aki > > > > I can see a certain level of safety as paramount...I would never avocate > > wearing shorts and flip flops whilst one rides, however if you have to > > dress up like nanook of the north everytime you ride, what's the purpose? > > You might as well ride a cage and save the post ride hosedown.. > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 14:28:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08377; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05528 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09840 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:28:00 -0400 (EDT) From: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Received: from OsbornKev@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WDJa004520 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <134f0f34.35b4dd85@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:27:16 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Dc-Cycles rides Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 212 Just got hooked up to this mailing list after a friend told me about it and haven't had a chance to go one one of the organized rides. I like the idea of objective rating for rides and riders. It seems like it would make it more fun and safe for everyone and would make me more comfortable the first few times I join you all. Can't wait for the ZX-6 to get back out of the shop. - KO In a message dated 7/21/98 1:58:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, NJitzul@XXXXXX writes: > I like the rating system. Knowing what to expect on a ride will help > riders > decide whether or not to attend. I mean, I'll ride any ride (at my own pace), > > but would stick to the rides that sound most interesting to me! > > Robert VanSlyke > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- > Return-Path: > Received: from relay07.mx.aol.com (relay07.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.7]) by > air15.mail.aol.com (v46.19) with SMTP; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:58:04 -0400 > Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) > by relay07.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) > with ESMTP id NAA05776; > Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:57:58 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) > by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) > id NAA03021 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:53:49 - > 0400 (EDT) > Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) > by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) > id NAA07852 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:53:48 -0400 ( > EDT) > From: NJitzul@XXXXXX > Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX > by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WQULa13455 > for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:53:02 -0400 (EDT) > Message-ID: <861dc4e7.35b4d57f@XXXXXX> > Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:53:02 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Subject: Re: Dc-Cycles rides > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 14:29:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08403; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05750 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (known camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09890 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (user-38lcmhf.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.90.47]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA01026; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:29:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:29:01 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDB4B3.E7B6BB60.zellto@mindspring.com> From: "Thomas W.Zell" Reply-To: "zellto@XXXXXX" To: "'Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?RE=3A_Traffic_enforcement_in_Arlington=2C_was_RE=3A?= =?us-ascii?Q?_dc=2Dcycles_digest=09for_07=09=2F20=2F98?= Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:29:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, from what I've seen(and experienced) Arlington is notorious for radar. They DO take radar on Columbia Pike and one of their biggest operations is on George Mason Drive right as you come down the hill from Wakefield High School(they also get you on the uphill side, too). And get this.... now the Sheriff's department is out there taking radar, too. I've lived here now for about 16 years and I've learned to always be nice in Arlington. Later, Tom -----Original Message----- From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX [SMTP:Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 1:30 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Traffic enforcement in Arlington, was RE: dc-cycles digest for 07 /20/98 I take drive 29 daily (between 66 and Glebe Rd.) and frequently see cops with radar...be careful on that stretch of road in the morning and evening. They're not cars with guns on the back window either...its cops with the hand-held units running from behind trees out into the middle of the road when you're a mile or so away :-0 By the time you see the guy it may be too late. I always watch people's brake lights...there's nothing better at spotting cops than one or more sets of eyes 100 yards in front of you :-) And hey, lets be careful out there! -Doug 81 GS 750 L douglas_brashear@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 14:33:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08565; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06145 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:33:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10106 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA32400; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980721183249.BRRC8978@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:32:49 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: aki.damme@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Dc-Cycles rides X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980721183249.BRRC8978@[166.41.242.141]> Aki said: >Maybe it's just me, but this is starting to sound more and more >like Big Brother to me...aren't we also the same people who decry >foul when govt imposes requirements on us on what we should wear? > >Now we're suggesting that in order to be in the "in" crowd, we must >also conform to self imposed rules that have absolutely nothing to >do with local laws, just to come along for the ride. > >This crap about not wearing jeans and inspecting each others bikes >IMHO, is just ridiculous..I have worn and will continue to wear jeans >on EVERY ride that *I* chose to ride on and ain't nobody going to >tell me that I can't. If that's what it takes to ride along with >dc-cycles, then I for one will just skip the whole thing. > >And I suspect that there are alot of other folks that will do likewise. Well said Aki, and I TOTALLY agree with you. Here's the deal folks. This is a public forum run by the human known as Harry Mantakos. Until it is decreed by Mr. Mantakos that in order to announce a ride, certain safety related rules for the ride must be abided by, then you'll just have to deal with whomever shows up on said announced ride. Your second option is to start a listserver of your own for the sole purpose of posting rides. You could then pick and choose who sees and can send mail. But that's ridiculous! I fully understand how some of you feel about how people may dress for a crash (or not dress - Roy T., I'm talking to you), but the bottom line is...The Surgeon General warns against not dressing for the inevitable, 1) riding unprepared for a crash will almost certainly require skin graft after said crash, and 2) you have been warned. People are allowed to take risks. If the matter is that you'd rather not ride with people who don't meet your crash worthy standards because you "don't want to deal with there bleeding limp bodies after the fact", then do me a favor too, don't crash around me under any circumstance! I don't care if you have a titanium suit of armor on. Crashing sucks! Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 14:36:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08675; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06242 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10357 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:36:30 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421E0C40@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Dc-Cycles rides Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:34:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Great.. so now we're going to be passing around a sign-up sheet that says that you take responsibility for all events that happen that day? *sarcastic* I'd hope that if I got tangled with another bike on a sporting ride, that we'd not go after each other with lawyers.. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- From: Peter Hartzler Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 2:25 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dc-Cycles rides One issue I was waiting to see pop up hasn't: Liability. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 14:36:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08679; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06250 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10361 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:21:08 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421E0C3C@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'aki.damme@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Dc-Cycles rides Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:19:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Aki.. are you taking something to heart that doesn't even affect you? Yes. If you care to reread MY e-mail, you'll notice I said for the AX rides - people that are not only willing and able, but look forward to putting themselves into tight situations just for the fun of it, might consider dressing more for the speeds that we attain. There's a reason motorcycle racers wear full leathers, new helmets, over the ankle boots and high-quality gloves.. and it's not for the looks. If you came out and rode with us, at the speeds we ride, and went down.. I wouldn't stop to help what was left of you. This is NOT because I'm some mean prick, it's because I don't want to have to look at another persons asphault chewed body and try to figure out what limb is what. This also has NOTHING, 100% nothing, to do with being 'in'. It does have everything to do with wanting to protect our bodies as much as possible. When I do my risk assesment for riding, I understand that I can be injured.. I also understand that if I wear high quality gear, I'll be more likely to survive with less injury - something I think everyone wants. As Glenn said not to long ago, Live and Learn is the best teacher. Once you go down and hurt yourself bad enough to leave a scar or remove an apendage.. you might change your mind. As for the 'other folks who will wear what they choose' - that is personal choice and freedom. I respect that - but I won't ride with them - just me expressing my choice. Perhaps I didn't make it perfectly clear that I was directing that at the people who enjoy pushing the limits, or that it was a thought.. and idea.. and maybe I'm partly drawing this attack on me.. but based on the posts I've seen come from you over the past year, I'd say it's more to do with your additude than my post. -----Original Message----- Now we're suggesting that in order to be in the "in" crowd, we must also conform to self imposed rules that have absolutely nothing to do with local laws, just to come along for the ride. This crap about not wearing jeans and inspecting each others bikes IMHO, is just ridiculous..I have worn and will continue to wear jeans on EVERY ride that *I* chose to ride on and ain't nobody going to tell me that I can't. If that's what it takes to ride along with dc-cycles, then I for one will just skip the whole thing. And I suspect that there are alot of other folks that will do likewise. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 14:36:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08750; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06295 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:36:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10467 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA08852; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:36:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980721183602.LQNQ9887@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:36:02 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: "'aki.damme@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Dc-Cycles rides X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980721183602.LQNQ9887@[166.41.242.141]> Jeannette wrote: >I wear leathers when I ride myself, but I agree with Aki. No one is >going to tell me how/when/where, etc. to ride. >I feel free when I ride, that's one of the major reasons I ride. : ) > >Now, what if Squeakers were still on the list? Jeez, we'd have a flame >war going for DAYS!! ; ) Why do you think those wars went on so long anyhow! Aki and Squeakers under any other abnormal circumstance were made for each other. That's Why they fought so hard...true romance! :-))) Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 14:39:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08872; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06411 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10672 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yyhK3-0005Ux-00; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:39:35 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:37:52 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D888422@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Dan Brown'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Traffic enforcement in Arlington, was RE: dc-cycles digest fo r 07/20/98 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:35:34 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Every morning there seemed to be cops sitting on Filmore right before hitting Route 50. I got pegged (d'oh) doing 44 in a 25. They tend to make that a stakeout. They also do sticker checks at the E Street exit going into DC off Route 50. That is annoying during rush hour, to say the least! - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Brown [SMTP:brown@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 2:04 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Traffic enforcement in Arlington, was RE: dc-cycles > digest for 07/20/98 > > At 01:04 PM 7/21/98 -0400, you wrote: > >Same here. I drive thru Arlington everyday down Columbia Pike and > only once > >have I ever seen a cop doing radar. I have seen them do radar many > times on > >Washington Blvd (between 50 and Clerendon) and also on S. George > Mason > >Drive. The only enforcement I really see in Arlington is parking > >enforcement. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 14:44:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09067; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:44:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06656 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11049 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:44:19 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id OAA25757 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:44:06 -0400 Message-Id: <199807211844.OAA25757@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:44:06 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:44:06 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:44:06 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:37:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Dc-Cycles rides To: tgimer@XXXXXX Cc: aki.damme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <016201bdb4d4$09048700$d57f61ce@richard> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME > I don't want to get covered in blood while trying to help someone who > decided he was going to ride without proper protective gear....and I don't > think anybody else I ride with wants to either ..I see and wearing protective leathers will definately guarantee that won't happen. You're exactly the type of person I sincerely hope doesn't come along when myself or anyone else is injured on the side of the road just because they didn't conform to your requirements of dress...I've helped ALOT of folks that "were covered in blood" some didn't have protective gear and some did...no matter WHAT, you can always be assured that *I WILL* help you, even if it means ruining my expensive leathers doing so. . > > It seems like a pretty simple rule to me. rules smules...seems to me that there's more laws than bones being broken, but I guess that's perfectly alright too... > > As far as rides taken at a more leisurely pace, nobody gives a shit what > anybody else is wearing. > that's contrary to what I've read here..it seems that the trend by a small vocal group of people here were advocating nazi inspections, (and would there be a tribunal to follow? Also would a certified mechanic be required onsite to perform the inspection? How about the State Police? Maybe we should also inspect for clean underwear..heaven forbid if someone wrecks and ends up in the hospital with skidmarks), as well as "minimum uniform requirements".. jeeez...grow up...as long as I wear a helmet and my bike is properly inspected, licensed and insured there's nothing a kangaroo court of yahoos can say to me or anyone else... -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 14:44:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09070; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06659 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (known usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11060 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:43:30 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 21 Jul 1998 14:43:29 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 21 Jul 1998 14:43:29 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 0419D35B4E151001-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 0419D35B4E151001 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <0419D35B4E151001*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 21 Jul 1998 14:43:29 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: DC-Cycles Mailing List (IPM Return requested), "O'Brien, Jeannette" (IPM Return requested) Subject: RE: Dc-Cycles rides Message-Id: <0419D35B4E151001*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Jeanette, Your answer proves my point, you knew you were slow and were willing to ride at your own pace until your skill level improved. YOU DID AN EXCELLANT JOB OF OBJECTIVELY EVALUTING YOUR ABILITY AND THEN RODE WITHIN THOSE LIMITS. Hats off to you! Its not always that easy to keep from pushing the limits when faced with others who are better than you. Maybe its a testosterone thing. Don B. ---------- From: O'Brien, Jeannette[SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 2:23 PM To: Burger, Donald ; Kirk Roy; DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Dc-Cycles rides I went on some of the faster DC Cycles rides when I was a brand-spanking newbie and at least for me, I'd have to disagree. I KNEW I was slow & sucked on my bike but having others to watch helped me. Of course, I saw them only for a few seconds until they blasted away, but there was only someone in front of me & someone behind me (thank you, you helpful volunteers) giving me pointers when we'd stop. I don't think I would've realized some of the mistake I was making without the rider(s) behind me pointing them out. Of course, I asked them to, they weren't doing anything I didn't want them to, & I'm the type that takes advice well from those who are more learned than me at something. Jeez, was I SLOW, though!! : ) Everyone was so nice & helpful that I think it helped improve my skill level. The faster riders split off from the main group of sightseers/slower riders, so everyone was free to do their own pace. The one thing I heartily agree with that has to be the ultimate limiter is what Don said: riders objectively evaluating their own skills. Unfortunately some riders do get caught up in the competition thing and/or think they're more skilled than they are, I guess... - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Burger, Donald [SMTP:Donald.Burger@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 1:41 PM > To: Kirk Roy; DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: RE: Dc-Cycles rides > > I haven't been able to get out for a group ride with you guys yet, > (I'm > hoping to get out this weekend). But from my days as a bicycle racer > I > have to agree that Kurt has a good idea. Mixing and matching riders > of > different speed and ability is asking for nothing but trouble. For > many > people, myself included, if you are one of the slower riders you will > not > want to hold up the group so you are more apt to take chances and get > > yourself in trouble. > > The key thing to making this type of system work is riders objectively > > evaluating their riding skills. > > Don B. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 14:45:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09098; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:45:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06699 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11112 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yyhPL-00064i-01; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:45:03 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:43:21 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D888423@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Burger, Donald '" , DC-Cycles Mailing List , "O'Brien, Jeannette" Subject: RE: Testosterone WAS Dc-Cycles rides Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:41:03 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Well, I wasn't going to mention it, but... : ) - J > -----Original Message----- > From: Burger, Donald [SMTP:Donald.Burger@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 2:43 PM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List; O'Brien, Jeannette > Subject: RE: Dc-Cycles rides > > Jeanette, > Your answer proves my point, you knew you were slow and were willing > to > ride at your own pace until your skill level improved. YOU DID AN > EXCELLANT JOB OF OBJECTIVELY EVALUTING YOUR ABILITY AND THEN RODE > WITHIN > THOSE LIMITS. Hats off to you! Its not always that easy to keep > from > pushing the limits when faced with others who are better than you. > Maybe > its a testosterone thing. > > Don B. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 14:47:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09234; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06758 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11344 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:47:07 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id OAA25978 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:46:57 -0400 Message-Id: <199807211846.OAA25978@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:46:57 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:46:57 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:46:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:43:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Dc-Cycles rides To: OsbornKev@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <134f0f34.35b4dd85@aol.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME I agree 100% that the *type* of ride should (and has) been mentioned so that one can intelligently and honestly decide if it's the type of ride they want to go on..however I'm not sure that rating a ride that mentions breaking the law is a very intelligent idea...if a prosecutor or internet savvy judge gets ahold of that.. well...it opens up a whole can of worms. -aki > Just got hooked up to this mailing list after a friend told me about it and > haven't had a chance to go one one of the organized rides. I like the idea of > objective rating for rides and riders. It seems like it would make it more > fun and safe for everyone and would make me more comfortable the first few > times I join you all. > > Can't wait for the ZX-6 to get back out of the shop. > > - KO From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 14:51:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09399; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06898 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11696 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA30835; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:50:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980721185052.BWRH8978@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:50:52 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: Peter Hartzler CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dc-Cycles rides X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980721185052.BWRH8978@[166.41.242.141]> Peter Hartzler wrote: >One issue I was waiting to see pop up hasn't: Liability. ... Even the >organized/standardized ride sheets, and ride ratings may imply some sort >of a warranty. I think you can get around this by wording it correctly. "I'll be riding this saturday leaving Tysons Corner at 8am. I'll probably ride into WV. I use a ride sheet and ride pretty fast. I'll have copies of my planned ride you can 'take' if you want" Whew! I see what you mean. Hopefully the adage, "you meet the nicest people" really does apply to motorcyclists and we never here about this sort of thing. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 14:52:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09408; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06906 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11706 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA16159; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:50:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980721185050.BWRD8978@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:50:50 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "Thomas H. Gimer" CC: , Subject: Re: Dc-Cycles rides X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980721185050.BWRD8978@[166.41.242.141]> Tom Gimer wrote: >I don't want to get covered in blood while trying to help someone who >decided he was going to ride without proper protective gear....and I don't >think anybody else I ride with wants to either. > >It seems like a pretty simple rule to me. > >As far as rides taken at a more leisurely pace, nobody gives a shit what >anybody else is wearing. In that case, you should probably not consider riding with other people. Full leathers and Full face helmets don't necessarily guarantee that a crash victim won't be bloody...or dead. Johns friend Chuck had a chunk of cheek hanging from a full-face helmet laceration. Who would have known? You ride with other people, you need to take responsibility for one another. Todd From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 14:53:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09467; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06957 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:53:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11837 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:53:05 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id OAA26148 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:50:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199807211850.OAA26148@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:50:04 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:50:04 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:50:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:47:43 -0400 Subject: RE: Dc-Cycles rides To: Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX Cc: aki.damme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jlobrien@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980721183602.LQNQ9887@[166.41.242.141]> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ...I want squeakers to be the mother of my child... ;-) -aki > Jeannette wrote: > >I wear leathers when I ride myself, but I agree with Aki. No one is > >going to tell me how/when/where, etc. to ride. > >I feel free when I ride, that's one of the major reasons I ride. : ) > > > >Now, what if Squeakers were still on the list? Jeez, we'd have a flame > >war going for DAYS!! ; ) > > Why do you think those wars went on so long anyhow! Aki and Squeakers > under any other abnormal circumstance were made for each other. That's > Why they fought so hard...true romance! :-))) > > Todd > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 14:54:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09479; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07007 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11876 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:54:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WRHZa26052 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:53:12 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: Dc-Cycles rides Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 167 I can understand the viewpoints made by some of the listers regarding protective gear, but I think this is getting a bit out of hand. Has there ever been anything in the past that would warrant the changes being discussed? Granted, horrible accidents and what not are a very real concern, but IMHO, if it's not broken, don't try and fix it. And even if you did cobble together some sort of standards/rating system, how would enforce it? "We're not leaving until you go home, Mr. Riding-In-Jeans!" Seems a bit ridiculous to me. If you want to do double-yellow rides, and don't want underdressed rookies coming along, why don't you e-mail each other privately? If you're concern is having to worry about the others you are riding with, organize your own rides with people you're comfortable riding with, whose abilities and clothes you know. No sense in mandating what people can and can not do, especially in a forum who's basic formula is informality. (Nice touch of alliteration, eh?) Anywho, that's the way I feel. -Sean Jordan '83 VF750F Interceptor From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 14:57:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09618; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07090 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12141 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:56:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yyhaj-00000i-01; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:56:50 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:55:03 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D888427@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Thomas H. Gimer'" , aki.damme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Dc-Cycles rides Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:52:44 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Not true. > As far as rides taken at a more leisurely pace, nobody gives a shit > what > anybody else is wearing. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 15:14:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10141; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07532 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (known imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA12974 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:13:57 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WEUEa27848; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <54baf996.35b4e847@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:13:10 EDT To: merscht@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/20/98 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 In a message dated 98-07-21 13:11:26 EDT, merscht@XXXXXX writes: > Not a lot of enforcement, just questionable enforcement. e.g., I got nailed > (48 in a 30 zone) on 10th St (going to Rt 50) by the typical speed trap > complement South Four Mile Run Dr. is another favorite of theirs. Beware on that street. The limit should be faster than the posted 30 mph. Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 15:15:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10190; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07559 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (known relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13026 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay3.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yyhsu-0002DB-00; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:15:36 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:13:53 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D88842E@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Eternity23@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Dc-Cycles rides Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:11:34 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Yes, agreed. - Jeannette > If you > want to do double-yellow rides, and don't want underdressed rookies > coming > along, why don't you e-mail each other privately? If you're concern is > having > to worry about the others you are riding with, organize your own rides > with > people you're comfortable riding with, whose abilities and clothes you > know. > No sense in mandating what people can and can not do, especially in a > forum > who's basic formula is informality. (Nice touch of alliteration, eh?) > Anywho, > that's the way I feel. > > -Sean Jordan > > '83 VF750F Interceptor From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 15:24:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10385; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07710 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13415 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:24:14 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id BDXCa26053; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <57860099.35b4ea8f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:22:54 EDT To: gforeman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Riding Apparel Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 In a message dated 98-07-21 13:37:06 EDT, gforeman@XXXXXX writes: > Frown on it as you may, I don't wear leathers (jacket sometimes if I can > tolerate the heat), and sneakers. I have been known on occasions to wear > shorts of short jaunts, but usually camo heavy military pants (gotta love > all those pockets). When I slipped on the oil slick last Sunday I just got a scrape on my elbow. Would have had nothing if I'd been wearing leather. It was a very short trip to the pool and I thought about wearing shorts but decided against it at the last minute. Jeans probably saved me a trip to the hospital and a lot of grief. I had been getting sloppy lately and going in t-shirts sometimes and even shorts once or twice. Not anymore. Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 15:25:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10403; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07723 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13431 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA22903 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:23:18 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Riding Apparel Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:22:47 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Lighten the hell up! Damn, you really know how to blow things WAY out of proportion. I've already said that if you want to waste your skin then go ahead BUT I would PREFER the people I ride with to be wearing the right gear!!!!! And the last (at least) TWO riders that I know of that went down WERE NOT EXCEDDING THE SPEED LIMIT!!! Glenn > You know, there's alot of anti-motorcyclist lobby groups right here in > D.C. that would LOVE to have you on their staff...I mean for gods sake, > LISTEN to yourself...are you advocating that EVERYONE should wear what > YOU think is acceptable? Until there's a law and you and everyone else is > openly willing to run out and buy me all the gear you so avidly push, then > I'll continue to wear whatever I want and yes I know the > consequences..I've > layed down a bike more than once...why don't we just put training wheels > on all the bikes so they won't tip over? And what the hell is anyone > going so fast that they're breaking the law anyhow? Most of the recent > lowsides seems to have been when people either went well above their > level of ability or were openly (and admittedly) speeding well beyond > the posted speed limits...I mean we've openly discussed passing double > yellow lines like it's a routine thing and then we have the BALLS to > complain about BDC's? > > What type of group is this turning into? It sounds to me like we're > becoming our own worst enemy and EXACTLY what cagers complain about > whenever they mention motorcyclists. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 15:26:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10448; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07731 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hermes.crosslink.net (known hermes.crosslink.net [206.246.124.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13482 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22171 invoked from network); 21 Jul 1998 19:25:52 -0000 Received: from external-modem-3-222.loudoun.com (HELO lcsa3.loudoun.com) (208.232.171.222) by hermes.crosslink.net with SMTP; 21 Jul 1998 19:25:52 -0000 Message-ID: <027f01bdb4dd$cd6d33e0$1606030a@lcsa3.loudoun.com> From: "Gary Foreman, LCSA" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Riding Apperal - PLEASE READ! Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:28:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I would like to meet all others who will be wearing nothing but Thongs this weekend to ride to Summit Point. Pace will be slow as to minimize the risk of road debri embeding in your nipples. Stops every 10 miles to pick thong out of crack. There will be thong tech inspection before departure. Anyone with frayed thong will be required to stop at 7-11 and purchase dental floss for repair. Gary W. Foreman Email: gforeman@XXXXXX Web: http://www.fj1100.com `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸ A SUPERIOR Pilot may be defined as one who stays out of trouble by using his SUPERIOR judgement to avoid situations which might require the use of his SUPERIOR skills From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 21 15:27:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA10508; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA07755 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA13579 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:27:35 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id PAA28437 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:27:16 -0400 Message-Id: <199807211927.PAA28437@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:27:16 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:27:16 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:27:16 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:25:12 -0400 Subject: RE: Dc-Cycles rides To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Cc: aki.damme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421E0C3C@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.ar> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME > Aki.. are you taking something to heart that doesn't even affect you? ..not at all..it's a free forum and I expressed my views as you have the right to do... > Yes. If you care to reread MY e-mail, you'll notice I said for the AX > rides - people that are not only willing and able, but look forward to > putting themselves into tight situations just for the fun of it, might > consider dressing more for the speeds that we attain. There's a reason > motorcycle racers wear full leathers, new helmets, over the ankle boots > and high-quality gloves.. and it's not for the looks. ...as there's a reason that there's race tracks for just that type of riding... > > If you came out and rode with us, at the speeds we ride, and went down.. > I wouldn't stop to help what was left of you. This is NOT because I'm > some mean prick, it's because I don't want to have to look at another > persons asphault chewed body and try to figure out what limb is what. ..jeez that gives me a warm fuzzy about how much you care about anyone else but yourself...so let me get this straight..you won't stop, but I guess you'll be a REALLY GOOD GUY and maybe stop in the next town to casually mention to a passerby that a motorcyclist MIGHT BE DEAD a few miles back but you didn't want "to look at another persons asphault chewed body and figure out what limb is what." > > This also has NOTHING, 100% nothing, to do with being 'in'. It does > have everything to do with wanting to protect our bodies as much as > possible. ..then why, by god, are you even riding a motorcycle? > When I do my risk assesment for riding, I understand that I > can be injured.. I also understand that if I wear high quality gear, > I'll be more likely to survive with less injury - something I think > everyone wants. As Glenn said not to long ago, Live and Learn is the > best teacher. Once you go down and hurt yourself bad enough to leave a > scar or remove an apendage.. you might change your mind. ..it might.. but preaching about what you find as acceptable wear isn't going to change my mind...anymore than me saying that if you REALLY want to play it safe, drive a car, there's over a ton of metal, seat belts and air bags to really make you feel safe. There's an accepted element of risk in riding a motorcycle and I accept that as you did when you bought your first bike and and got your first license. My opinion is that if you are driving so "spirited" that it requires you do have so much armor on, then you're risking not only your life but everyone around you. On a track it's a controlled condition with everyone around you at the same skill level however on a public road there are WAY too many variables that are outside of your control to confidently say that riding WFO is even remotely safe..it sounds to me that you're more concerned with YOUR well being than those around you that you so confidently put at risk. > > As for the 'other folks who will wear what they choose' - that is > personal choice and freedom. I respect that - but I won't ride with > them - just me expressing my choice. ...and I respect that..that's your right, and if you want to ride with others that share that feeling I respect that also, but don't even think for a minute that you can mandate that as a requirement for a group of people on a mailing list that you're not even remotely in charge of. > > Perhaps I didn't make it perfectly clear that I was directing that at > the people who enjoy pushing the limits, or that it was a thought.. and