From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 00:04:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14670; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20611 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:03:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA25917 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id AAA12897; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:01:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:01:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ARRRGH In-Reply-To: <35995981.6E175C2B@geocities.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII have you tried a locksmith? On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > Ya know, I don't know why I fool myself. > Called coleman's up today figuring I'll give em another chance for me to > spend a little money locally. > "Sure we can make a key for your bike just bring in the ignition and > we'll fix you right up. It'll cost you $15" > > Cool, methinks...not as bad as I thought it would be from a shop. So I > truck down there this afternoon. > After the guy spins the ignition in his hands for nearly ten minutes > scratching his head: > "Yeah, I can make one, but it'll take a lot of time. $63" > > Sorry pal, I'll go ahead and hack the wires and go through the pain of > bypassing the anti theft device or I'll just go to another dealer who's > upfront about things. > > It's not the cost that bugs me, it's the fact that they tell you one > thing then it changes when you get there. That's twice now that this > has happened with this shop. No more. I'll drive just a little further > out to Herndon... > Sucks for them too, cause I was planning on buying quite a few high > profit type items while i waited for the key...Sorry mr coleman > > Collin > > -- > _________________________________________ > Collin and Penny Fagan > LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard > (202) 366-0067 (work) > (703) 356-4279 (home) > ICQ UIN: 435732 > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ > (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 01:15:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA15477; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA21400 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (known imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA26968 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:14:46 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id ECZRa27851; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <481b4695.3599c534@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:12:19 EDT To: swaters@XXXXXX Cc: horkster@XXXXXX, ph@XXXXXX, aki.damme@XXXXXX, pellaz@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Helmet safety issue Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Ok, here are the stats as from the MSHA, Office of Traffic and Safety, and Traffic safety division. Overall Accident Rate: (Includes: Non-injury, injury, and fatality accidents) 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 Accidents 2010 1693 1714 1752 1417 985 1118 989 889 pending Deaths 61 46 46 53 55 45 30 27 26 Death Rate .303 .0271 .0268 .0302 .0388 .0456 .0268 .0273 .0292 Overall Accident Rate Summary: 1985-91 Helmet Law 1992-96 Total Accidents 15502 Adopted in 5398 Total Deaths 427 1992 183 Death Rate .0275 .0339 Injury Accident Rate: (Includes: Injury and Fatality Accidents) 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 Accidents 1559 1386 1363 1431 1130 782 906 800 695 pending Deaths 61 46 46 53 55 45 30 27 26 Death Rate .0391 .0331 .0331 .0370 .0486 .0575 .0331 .0337 .0374 Injury Accident Rate Summary: 1988-91 Helmet Law 1992-96 Total Injury Accidents 12385 Adopted in 4583 Total Deaths 427 1992 183 Death Rate .0334 .0399 -----END----- This report is from 1985 to 1996, but for format purposes, I just gave 88 and up. I hope this gives a little insight to everyone. Let me know if you have any questions. Sean G. Petr 98 TL-R From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 07:11:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17761; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23472 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00571 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:10:17 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256634.003DBCB3 ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:14:20 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256634.003D599D.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:14:16 -0400 Subject: Re: ARRRGH Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Collin there is a very good locksmith only 1 block away from Colemans. Just continue up Hillside through the traffic light on your right. They are called Allied Safe and Lock. I have always been able to get things doen with them whenever Colemans drops the ball (which is always of course). Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 07:26:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17822; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23553 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00697 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:25:57 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA03055 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807011128.HAA03055@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Where can I check VIN To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text I found a nice bike I can consider as replacement. I have VIN number; where can I check if the bike is OK ? Anyone knows a WWW page for this purpose, or should I ask friendly bike shop to check this VIN for me ? (Bike is a nice, clean Honda CB 350 - this time I won't be tempted to ride fast :-) _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 07:26:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17827; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23557 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00704 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) id ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:25:32 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Adventure World Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:26:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) Content-Type: text/plain How about flying? Roger that inner-ear disorder stuff. Mine means that I shamelessly do the Scooby Doo on my best day at King's Dominion -- anything more than that and I have to treat those in the immediate area to a little Ralph hospitality -- I always aim for the people who CAN ride roller coasters, damn it. We'll put together a not-interested-in-a-miserable-day-puking group (composed mainly of the defective mutant brigade, like me) that definitely will not do the more "technical" rides. The group pledges to meet the coaster-enabled folks with gooey, cheesy chili dogs after their coaster experience. Tom M. > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 3:28 PM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: RE: Adventure World > > I've got a couple kids but I would go to different rides than the other > adults would likely go to. Shoot, I can't even ride roller coasters, > spinning rides, or anything that moves my head around too much. Inner ear > disorders suck. Vertigo is something I do not enjoy... Weird thing is, > motorcycles don't induce it for me. > > Kirk > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 07:34:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17872; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23644 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00767 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA05157 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:33:54 -0700 Message-Id: <199807011133.AA05157@portal.visa.com> Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:33:54 -0700 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: PattonJ@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Columbia Gate Way, July 12 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:35:00 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Jim - put me down as a marshal and hook me up with Mike, please for the particulars (such as where is it) To the DC-Cycles group: here's something different for a Saturday out inna fresh air. Michael J -----Original Message----- From: Jim Patton [mailto:PattonJ@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 17:33 To: A whold bunch of people Subject: Columbia Gate Way, July 12 We are still looking for a couple of motor marshals for July 12. Day will go from 07:00 until late afternoon. You get $35 to cover your expenses. The Chief is still looking for another judge. So, if you are a licensed official and want to get some finish line experience, here is your chance. Let Mike and I know if you are interested in either position. Jim Patton From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 07:38:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17886; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23661 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news1.radix.net (known news1.radix.net [209.48.224.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00817 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [209.48.224.40]) by news1.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA13765; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (dreamer@localhost) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA19908; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:37:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Dawn Gibson To: "Mersch, Tom" cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Adventure World In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Mersch, Tom wrote: > We'll put together a not-interested-in-a-miserable-day-puking group > (composed mainly of the defective mutant brigade, like me) that definitely > will not do the more "technical" rides. The group pledges to meet the > coaster-enabled folks with gooey, cheesy chili dogs after their coaster > experience. EEoooooowwwww!! I'm getting a chuckle out of this thread actually because it looks like most of the folks who enjoy scraping real estate off of their motorcycles and breaking the sound barrier end up puking their guts out on coasters Is this poetic justice or what? I love it! Dawn *====================================================================* from the mist and shadows, like a memory of things to come.... to wander the paths of moonlight on water, in search of honesty, empathy, beaches at sunrise, mountains under stars and eyes to laugh back at mine... *====================================================================* Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX *====================================================================* From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 07:41:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17898; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23702 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00867 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA05470 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:41:04 -0700 Message-Id: <199807011141.AA05470@portal.visa.com> Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:41:04 -0700 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Adventure World Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:42:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >The group pledges to meet the coaster-enabled folks with gooey, >cheesy chili dogs after their coaster experience. Better yet, the gooey, cheesy chili dogs DURING the experience (with a drink in the other hand) Michael (I LOVE roller coasters) J. But if you've EVER had ride in a fully aerobatic airplane... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 07:43:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17908; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23735 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00890 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA05588 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:43:08 -0700 Message-Id: <199807011143.AA05588@portal.visa.com> Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:43:08 -0700 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Where can I check VIN Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:44:14 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >Bike is a nice, clean Honda CB 350 Where did you find that?!?!?!? >this time I won't be tempted to ride fast :-) With all due respect, sir, Bullshit Michael (you ride what ya got) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 07:44:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17913; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23739 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00898 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:43:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) id ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:42:54 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Adventure World Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:43:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) Content-Type: text/plain Now that we've scraped pegs, what are we gonna do? Go to Disney World! Sing it with me: M I C, K E Y, B I T C H >:-( (Okay, I'm just kidding, but I do have an especially gooey CCD with your name on it ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Dawn Gibson [SMTP:dreamer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 7:38 AM > To: Mersch, Tom > Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: RE: Adventure World > > On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Mersch, Tom wrote: > > > We'll put together a not-interested-in-a-miserable-day-puking group > > (composed mainly of the defective mutant brigade, like me) that > definitely > > will not do the more "technical" rides. The group pledges to meet the > > coaster-enabled folks with gooey, cheesy chili dogs after their coaster > > experience. > > > EEoooooowwwww!! I'm getting a chuckle out of this thread actually because > it looks like most of the folks who enjoy scraping real estate off of > their motorcycles and breaking the sound barrier end up puking their guts > out on coasters > > Is this poetic justice or what? I love it! > > Dawn > > *====================================================================* > from the mist and shadows, like a memory of things to come.... > to wander the paths of moonlight on water, in search of honesty, > empathy, beaches at sunrise, mountains under stars and eyes > to laugh back at mine... > *====================================================================* > Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX > *====================================================================* > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 07:46:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17933; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23764 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00925 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA05714 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:45:24 -0700 Message-Id: <199807011145.AA05714@portal.visa.com> Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:45:24 -0700 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Adventure World Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:46:30 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >EEoooooowwwww!! I'm getting a chuckle out of this thread actually because >it looks like most of the folks who enjoy scraping real estate off of >their motorcycles and breaking the sound barrier end up puking their guts >out on coasters Dawn, I guess that I'm the exception that proves the rule Michael (desifinado) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 08:22:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18145; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24646 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hermes.crosslink.net (known hermes.crosslink.net [206.246.124.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01447 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7284 invoked from network); 1 Jul 1998 12:20:24 -0000 Received: from external-modem-3-222.loudoun.com (HELO lcsa3.loudoun.com) (208.232.171.222) by hermes.crosslink.net with SMTP; 1 Jul 1998 12:20:24 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01bda4ea$e01de500$1606030a@lcsa3.loudoun.com> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: Adventure World Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:21:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 It's strange, I can ride any ride...except the virtual reality. You know, the ones with the movies...then I'm puking my guts out. P.S. I can't play DOOM without puking either! -----Original Message----- From: Dawn Gibson To: Mersch, Tom Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Date: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 7:48 AM Subject: RE: Adventure World >On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Mersch, Tom wrote: > >> We'll put together a not-interested-in-a-miserable-day-puking group >> (composed mainly of the defective mutant brigade, like me) that definitely >> will not do the more "technical" rides. The group pledges to meet the >> coaster-enabled folks with gooey, cheesy chili dogs after their coaster >> experience. > > >EEoooooowwwww!! I'm getting a chuckle out of this thread actually because >it looks like most of the folks who enjoy scraping real estate off of >their motorcycles and breaking the sound barrier end up puking their guts >out on coasters > >Is this poetic justice or what? I love it! > >Dawn > >*====================================================================* > from the mist and shadows, like a memory of things to come.... > to wander the paths of moonlight on water, in search of honesty, > empathy, beaches at sunrise, mountains under stars and eyes > to laugh back at mine... >*====================================================================* > Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX >*====================================================================* From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 08:25:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18159; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24659 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01482 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:23:10 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA03135; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807011223.IAA03135@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Adventure World To: dreamer@XXXXXX (Dawn Gibson) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Cc: merscht@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: from "Dawn Gibson" at Jul 1, 98 07:37:52 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Mersch, Tom wrote: > > > We'll put together a not-interested-in-a-miserable-day-puking group > > (composed mainly of the defective mutant brigade, like me) that definitely > > will not do the more "technical" rides. The group pledges to meet the > > coaster-enabled folks with gooey, cheesy chili dogs after their coaster > > experience. > > > EEoooooowwwww!! I'm getting a chuckle out of this thread actually because > it looks like most of the folks who enjoy scraping real estate off of > their motorcycles and breaking the sound barrier end up puking their guts > out on coasters > > Is this poetic justice or what? I love it! > right. I will join it, so you will have 4 more miserable puking bodies in a olvov... > Dawn > _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 08:34:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18268; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24741 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01625 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA11813 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3BRPCGA7>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:32:49 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F280E@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Adventure World Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:32:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Yummy yummy...load my chile dog up with the works!!! It's pretty sad though, I can do the roller coasters, I can even dig the aerobatic planes, but would you believe I get seasick on anything over 30 ft long!!?!!? And I'm in the Coast Guard he he he Well, that funky Octopus ride also does me in, but the rest of em are great! My inlaws are moving down this way starting tomorrow, so we'll now have a cheap babysitter. Hmmm...and we've been planning on going to adventure world for a while anyway... How bout this: Since I'm still street bike challenged, Pen and I will cage it down there, and everyone can throw leathers, helmets, tank bags, etc. into the cab of the truck where we can cover em with a blanket and lock em up safe. Maybe we could even bring a few coolers worth of drinks and food in the back, and have a tailgate BBQ before going into the park!! Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 08:41:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18311; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24829 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01722 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA12122; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3BRPCGA9>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:41:00 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F280F@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Gary Foreman'" , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Adventure World Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:40:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain ooooh Yuuuk...I must concur. ANY of those full scrolling games will have me worshiping the porcelein god in a heartbeat. Took me a long time to figure it out though... I'd watch my brother-in-law playing the game from about 5 ft back for hours...I tried to play it..got nautious..thought it was the food I had just eaten...repeat process a couple of times.... uugh..it must be this damn game! Then I read an article saying that 5% of the people that try these kind of games have the same reaction... Oh well, guess I'll just have to stick with Subspace!! :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Foreman [SMTP:gforeman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 8:30 AM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Re: Adventure World > > It's strange, I can ride any ride...except the virtual reality. You know, > the ones with the movies...then I'm puking my guts out. > > P.S. I can't play DOOM without puking either! > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 08:42:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18327; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24856 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01750 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807011242.IAA01750@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AEC4690696; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 08:42:44 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 08:08:57 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: ARRRGH In-Reply-To: <35995981.6E175C2B@geocities.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:32 PM 6/30/98 -0400, Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: >Ya know, I don't know why I fool myself. >Called coleman's up today figuring I'll give em another chance for me to >spend a little money locally. >"Sure we can make a key for your bike just bring in the ignition and >we'll fix you right up. It'll cost you $15" ... >"Yeah, I can make one, but it'll take a lot of time. $63" Lousy. Did you get the guy's name and complain to the manager? I suppose he might not care but it's worth a try. The same thing happened to me - I called Coleman's looking for a particular brand of something. I got the guy's name who said they had it. I drove 45 min. (one way) to get there, and he showed me a different brand product. He was mystified why I was mad, even when I pointed out to him that he lied to me. And no, I didn't complain to the management like I should have. I was so mad I just walked out. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 08:42:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18331; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24859 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01754 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807011242.IAA01754@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AEC5690696; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 08:42:45 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 08:25:44 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Helmet safety issue In-Reply-To: <481b4695.3599c534@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:12 AM 7/1/98 -0400, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: >Ok, here are the stats as from the MSHA, Office of Traffic and Safety, and >Traffic safety division. Is this the exact form in which they were released by the State of Maryland? >Overall Accident Rate: Rate? What rate? Accidents per mile, accidents per 10,000 vehicles, accidents per 10,000 residents? >Overall Accident Rate Summary: > 1985-91 Helmet Law 1992-96 >Total Accidents 15502 Adopted in 5398 >Total Deaths 427 1992 183 Comparing 6 years of accidents (1985-91) to 5 years of accidents(1992-96)? That's lousy statistics or someone is trying to use statistics to lie. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 09:05:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18513; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25655 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02097 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) id ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:03:58 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: ARRRGH Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:04:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) Content-Type: text/plain This reminds me of my days working at retail stores for college tuition. More specifically, it reminds me of the magnificently unsavory, obviously bad management ideas I encountered. At one particular outfit, the only source of information we worker bees had for answering stock questions was a printout that could be 90 days out of date. "Management" policy was: look up the item in the printout -- if it says we have it, tell them we have it; if it says we don't have it, tell them you don't have the information and to come in to the store to find out. The idea was, the company doesn't pay worker bees to spend the time necessary to give good information, and the customer will probably buy something else anyway. I got another job quickly. The company was a small-time POS back then (almost 20 years ago), and they still are a small-time POS. Go figure. Tom M. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 8:09 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: ARRRGH > > At 05:32 PM 6/30/98 -0400, Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > >Ya know, I don't know why I fool myself. > >Called coleman's up today figuring I'll give em another chance for me to > >spend a little money locally. > >"Sure we can make a key for your bike just bring in the ignition and > >we'll fix you right up. It'll cost you $15" > ... > >"Yeah, I can make one, but it'll take a lot of time. $63" > > > > The same thing happened to me - I called Coleman's looking for a particula > brand of something. I got the guy's name who said they had it. I drove 45 > min. (one way) to get there, and he showed me a different brand product. > He was mystified why I was mad, even when I pointed out to him that he lied > to me. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 09:06:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18530; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25662 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known [206.213.111.115] [206.213.111.115]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02130 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id GAA28521; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 06:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id GAA17557; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 06:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA19942; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 06:05:08 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA19937; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 06:05:06 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BDA4B6.316EA5A0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 06:05:05 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: ARRRGH Key problem Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 05:59:36 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 Ugh, locksmiths are EXPENSIVE! When the key to my bike broke off in the ignition, I called a locksmith and was charged $90 to remove the key, make a new one and one spare. That was highway robbery in under 30 minutes. - Ursulina Kaw 454 LTD >-----Original Message----- >From: Garcia Oliver [SMTP:garicao@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 9:01 PM >To: Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: ARRRGH > >have you tried a locksmith? > >On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > >> Ya know, I don't know why I fool myself. >> Called coleman's up today figuring I'll give em another chance for me to >> spend a little money locally. >> "Sure we can make a key for your bike just bring in the ignition and >> we'll fix you right up. It'll cost you $15" >> >> Cool, methinks...not as bad as I thought it would be from a shop. So I >> truck down there this afternoon. >> After the guy spins the ignition in his hands for nearly ten minutes >> scratching his head: >> "Yeah, I can make one, but it'll take a lot of time. $63" >> >> Sorry pal, I'll go ahead and hack the wires and go through the pain of >> bypassing the anti theft device or I'll just go to another dealer who's >> upfront about things. >> >> It's not the cost that bugs me, it's the fact that they tell you one >> thing then it changes when you get there. That's twice now that this >> has happened with this shop. No more. I'll drive just a little further >> out to Herndon... >> Sucks for them too, cause I was planning on buying quite a few high >> profit type items while i waited for the key...Sorry mr coleman >> >> Collin >> >> -- >> _________________________________________ >> Collin and Penny Fagan >> LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard >> (202) 366-0067 (work) >> (703) 356-4279 (home) >> ICQ UIN: 435732 >> http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ >> (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 09:07:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18583; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25670 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02194 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:07:12 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DC7@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Waldorf MC inspection.. Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:05:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Anyone know ehre this is? Good's Exxon in Waldorf (near the Nissan dealer and Friendly's). It's the one talked about for a rather, errr.., simple inspection back in March or so.. If noone knows of it, or rather I don't hear of it by about noon, I'm just going to bite the bullet and go to Clinton Cycles.. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 09:58:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19156; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26815 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03558 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A06899F02BC; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 09:58:03 EDT Message-Id: X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:00:23 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Motorcyclist Shooting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Words fail me. http://www.gatewayva.com/rtd/dailynews/virginia/motor30.htm Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 09:59:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19167; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:59:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26829 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03577 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA17729 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:58:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Adventure World In-Reply-To: <199807011223.IAA03135@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 1 Jul 1998 zbig@XXXXXX wrote: > EEoooooowwwww!! I'm getting a chuckle out of this thread actually because > it looks like most of the folks who enjoy scraping real estate off of > their motorcycles and breaking the sound barrier end up puking their guts > out on coasters > > Is this poetic justice or what? I love it! Er, actually, I like nothing more than to take a leisurely cruise through the mountains. I can't remember the last time I actually touched any parts down on my bike (and it's not even a sportbike). You must be lumping me in with those go fast guys I always hear about (and see nasty pictures of after they learn the laws of gravity). Kirk "Highway Angel" Roy 88 Honda Hawk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 10:01:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19197; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26879 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03618 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 124 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:00:18 -0400 Message-ID: <359A40FD.213FF2A5@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:00:29 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" References: <359bd003.76386300@relay.mnsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anita Lauro wrote: > > The good news is that the valves are done at 500 miles and not again > until 6000. Let's see, that worked out to one week, and then again 2 months later. That's not really good news if you ride a lot and wanna pay someone to check everything for you. Why can't bikes be set up like that NorthStar system, with no scheduled maintenance until 100,000 miles? Then I'd only have to pull bodywork off every couple of years or so! :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 10:05:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19236; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26933 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03698 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA17842 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:04:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" In-Reply-To: <359A40FD.213FF2A5@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > Why can't bikes be set up like that NorthStar system, with no scheduled > maintenance until 100,000 miles? Then I'd only have to pull bodywork > off every couple of years or so! :) Excellent! I'd like to offer you a good price on the woodrow wilson bridge! Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 10:06:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19248; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26963 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.netsus.com (known blue.vais.net [207.98.180.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03755 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17190 invoked from network); 1 Jul 1998 14:06:15 -0000 Received: from 178-227.vais.net (HELO vais.net) (207.98.178.227) by blue.vais.net with SMTP; 1 Jul 1998 14:06:15 -0000 Message-ID: <359A423D.CB67C5F@vais.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:05:49 -0400 From: Tom Gallo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Waldorf MC inspection.. References: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DC7@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is on the north-bound side of 301/5 in Waldorf. If you are coming from the beltway, it is exit 7 (route 5 south). Drive south into Waldorf, once you enter Waldorf, look on the right side of the road for American Hardware, followed by Bell-Atlantic Mobile. Get into the left lane and make a U-turn in front of the McDonald's. After the U-turn you will be headed north on 301/5 and Good's Exxon is just past the Nissan dealer on the right. If you see Circuit City you went about 1/2 mile too far, just make a U-turn and head north, you can't miss it!! Tom GSXR-750 McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > Anyone know ehre this is? > > Good's Exxon in Waldorf (near > the Nissan dealer and Friendly's). > > It's the one talked about for a rather, errr.., simple inspection back > in March or so.. If noone knows of it, or rather I don't hear of it by > about noon, I'm just going to bite the bullet and go to Clinton Cycles.. > Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM > US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 > Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 10:31:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19678; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27319 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04668 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:31:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807011431.KAA04668@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A84E4D60384; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:31:45 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:33:58 -0400 To: DC-Cycles Mailing List From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" In-Reply-To: References: <359A40FD.213FF2A5@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> Why can't bikes be set up like that NorthStar system, with no scheduled >> maintenance until 100,000 miles? Then I'd only have to pull bodywork >> off every couple of years or so! :) > >Excellent! I'd like to offer you a good price on the woodrow wilson >bridge! > >Kirk But seriously, why not? So many bikes require massive periodic maintenance compared to cars. Check and/or adjust valves every 5,000 miles being a great example. Would anybody buy a car that HAD to go into the shop two to three times a year for ROUTINE maintenance? Incredible. I know there's some bikes out there that are better (Pacific Coasts and GoldWings have hydraulic valves - no adjustment, what a concept!). frustrated, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 10:43:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20880; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27491 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05054 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA18544 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:42:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" In-Reply-To: <199807011431.KAA04668@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Chris Norloff wrote: > >> Why can't bikes be set up like that NorthStar system, with no scheduled > >> maintenance until 100,000 miles? Then I'd only have to pull bodywork > >> off every couple of years or so! :) > > > >Excellent! I'd like to offer you a good price on the woodrow wilson > >bridge! > > But seriously, why not? So many bikes require massive periodic maintenance > compared to cars. Yes, but I wasn't attacking the concept that bikes ought to be designed with less frequent maintenance. I was simply attacking the concept that the 100k mile service cars require significantly less maintenance than your average car. Certainly, if you drive anything like I drive (rough, to say the least) you'd better do your service significantly more frequently than every 100k miles. It's just another marketing ploy, as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't expect to see much less frequent maintenance intervals for sport bikes any time soon, if at all. Touring bikes, OTOH, really ought to require infrequent maintenance. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 10:55:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22413; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27648 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05752 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.50]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:51:44 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Chris Norloff" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:52:52 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bda4ff$eca69dc0$3280e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199807011431.KAA04668@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > But seriously, why not? So many bikes require massive periodic > maintenance > compared to cars. Check and/or adjust valves every 5,000 miles being a > great example. Would anybody buy a car that HAD to go into the > shop two to > three times a year for ROUTINE maintenance? Incredible. Used to be that way in the past. Before I was born, that is:) It was either Lexus or Infinity had a car a few years back that required valve check/adjust every 10,000 miles. Not sure how many owners paid attention to that. Technically, most cars require work every 3000 miles: an oil change. If it weren't for places like Jiffy Lube, I doubt many cars would even get that done. > I know there's some bikes out there that are better (Pacific Coasts and > GoldWings have hydraulic valves - no adjustment, what a concept!). On real Wings, you have to adjust the valves:) Also in the no adjustment corner: HDs, CB750s. Anybody have any more to add? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 10:55:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22417; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27654 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:54:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05759 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA18145; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:54:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3BRPCGCM>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:55:12 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F2818@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Kirk Roy'" , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:55:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >From memory, my 93 required valve adjust at 7k, 11k, and every 4k after that... Looking at a newer bikes manual a while back, I noticed that their first check was at 11k and a fairly large interval after that. Moot point on my race bike. The valves will get checked at least twice a season, if not more. > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 10:51 AM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" > > > I wouldn't expect to see much less frequent maintenance intervals for > sport bikes any time soon, if at all. Touring bikes, OTOH, really ought to > require infrequent maintenance. > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 10:56:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22629; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27669 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known [208.141.52.245] [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05843 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:56:16 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA17506; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:57:45 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma017392; Wed, 1 Jul 98 10:57:31 -0400 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-9 #U3018) id <0EVF0020183FAM@XXXXXX>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-9 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EVF00K2B83EOC@XXXXXX>; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 85256634.0051F6E4 ; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:55:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:54:57 -0400 Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" To: Chris Norloff Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <85256634.0051FB14.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL What's the cause of increased valve adjust intervals anyhoo? I assumed it was the fact that most bikes regularly run at double the RPM of the average car. Or, is it just bike manufacturers' laziness in not making a superior quality product? In other words ... _can_ they make bikes that perform just as well and are just as reliable that have, say 30k valve adjust intervals? --chris To: DC-Cycles Mailing List cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: Chris Norloff Date: 07/01/98 02:33:58 PM GMT Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" >> Why can't bikes be set up like that NorthStar system, with no scheduled >> maintenance until 100,000 miles? Then I'd only have to pull bodywork >> off every couple of years or so! :) > >Excellent! I'd like to offer you a good price on the woodrow wilson >bridge! > >Kirk But seriously, why not? So many bikes require massive periodic maintenance compared to cars. Check and/or adjust valves every 5,000 miles being a great example. Would anybody buy a car that HAD to go into the shop two to three times a year for ROUTINE maintenance? Incredible. I know there's some bikes out there that are better (Pacific Coasts and GoldWings have hydraulic valves - no adjustment, what a concept!). frustrated, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 11:43:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24028; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28224 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hermes.crosslink.net (known hermes.crosslink.net [206.246.124.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07233 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18468 invoked from network); 1 Jul 1998 15:42:48 -0000 Received: from external-modem-3-222.loudoun.com (HELO lcsa3.loudoun.com) (208.232.171.222) by hermes.crosslink.net with SMTP; 1 Jul 1998 15:42:48 -0000 Message-ID: <010101bda507$275e7da0$1606030a@lcsa3.loudoun.com> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:44:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >From now on, let's refer to "Scheduled Maintenance" at a dealership as "Conjugal Visit" (sp?) since we all know what your going to get in either case. -----Original Message----- From: Fagan, Collin LTJG To: 'Kirk Roy' ; DC-Cycles Mailing List Date: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 11:06 AM Subject: RE: "Scheduled Maintenance" >>From memory, my 93 required valve adjust at 7k, 11k, and every 4k after >that... > >Looking at a newer bikes manual a while back, I noticed that their first >check was at 11k and a fairly large interval after that. > >Moot point on my race bike. The valves will get checked at least twice a >season, if not more. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 10:51 AM >> To: DC-Cycles Mailing List >> Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" >> >> >> I wouldn't expect to see much less frequent maintenance intervals for >> sport bikes any time soon, if at all. Touring bikes, OTOH, really ought to >> require infrequent maintenance. >> >> Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 12:18:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24618; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28705 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08441 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-153.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.153]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA09973 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:19:39 -0400 Message-ID: <359A6101.CEA0A7C9@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 12:17:05 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Route 620 from 211 to US33 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I rode 620 this morning. It's paved from 796 south to US33. This is about 19 miles. To get around the gravel part of the road, stay on 211 into New Market and go south on US 11 for about 5 miles. Turn left on 796 for about 1 mile. Turn right on 620 and continue south to US33. 620 has very narrow pavement in some areas. The best scenery is on the gravel part of the road, the best pavement is in the construction area in the middle of the gravel part. There are about 4 miles of gravel if you stay on 620 for the whole trip. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 13:04:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25355; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29353 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:04:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10207 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:04:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA14338 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:04:13 -0700 Message-Id: <199807011704.AA14338@portal.visa.com> Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:04:13 -0700 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC Cycles List Subject: RE: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:05:18 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >Then I'd only have to pull bodywork off every couple of years or so! :) 'Nother advantage to nekkid bikes... All the parts are out where you can get to 'em Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 13:11:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25452; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29421 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10588 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.31]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 13:08:12 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "Kirk Roy" Subject: RE: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:09:21 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bda512$fd72de80$3280e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > Yes, but I wasn't attacking the concept that bikes ought to be designed > with less frequent maintenance. I was simply attacking the concept that > the 100k mile service cars require significantly less maintenance than > your average car. Certainly, if you drive anything like I drive (rough, to > say the least) you'd better do your service significantly more frequently > than every 100k miles. It's just another marketing ploy, as far as I'm > concerned. The trick is what that 100k service involves. That is a 100k spark plug replacement under certain driving conditions. Stop and go traffic requires either 50 or 60k replacement. With platinum plugs and fairly intricate engine management techniques, it's not hard to do. Fluid replacements (engine, tranny, radiator, power steering, brakes, etc.) are at traditional intervals. Hydraulic valves require no adjustments. Air filters are a replace as needed item. We haven't had to set ignition points in two decades. Like you say, the 100k service is a marketing ploy, but not because cars can't go that far between services. It's because there's not a whole lot of servicing that you go 100k between. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 13:11:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25455; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29424 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10595 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.31]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 13:08:13 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , "Chris Norloff" Cc: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:09:23 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bda512$fe4570c0$3280e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <85256634.0051FB14.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > What's the cause of increased valve adjust intervals anyhoo? I assumed it > was the fact that most bikes regularly run at double the RPM of > the average > car. > > Or, is it just bike manufacturers' laziness in not making a superior > quality product? In other words ... _can_ they make bikes that perform > just as well and are just as reliable that have, say 30k valve adjust > intervals? Nature of solid lifters. They have to be adjusted. 99% of the cars out there have hydraulic lifters. In order to get higher revving engines, you generally need either a desmo setup, pneumatic setup, or solid lifters. Hydraulic lifters can't maintain their length under high speed or high lift situations. The variances in valve inspection intervals are due to a number of factors. Cam lift and duration being one. Engine RPM is another. Also factor in the adjustment mechanism (some resist changing better than others) and the metals used in the valves and seats that cause different wear patterns. Let's not forget that most of our bikes have power/displacement ratios that are closer to NASCAR, top fuel, Formula 1, etc. type vehicles rather than a Honda Civic. With such power comes certain tradeoffs. We scoff at Wings and PC 800's, but they are making not as much power/displacement. At the same time, their servicing is much less severe. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 13:11:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25462; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29433 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10606 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.31]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 13:08:15 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Gary Foreman" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:09:24 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bda512$ff599fe0$3280e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <010101bda507$275e7da0$1606030a@lcsa3.loudoun.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > From now on, let's refer to "Scheduled Maintenance" at a dealership as > "Conjugal Visit" (sp?) since we all know what your going to get in either > case. Rather than reopen last week's can-o-worms, I'll just ya'll need to find a better class of dealer. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 13:27:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25941; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29875 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11658 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:27:11 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WPNa011435; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <11e77063.359a710e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:25:33 EDT To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Helmet safety issue Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Well, what this shows me is that the Helmet law has helped. Though deaths haven't dropped as much as accidents in general, it has dropped. We've all got the freedom to choose. I'll continue to choose to wear my helmet. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 13:29:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25958; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:29:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29890 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from access1.digex.net (known access1.digex.net [205.197.245.192]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11698 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (dipaula@localhost) by access1.digex.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA26156; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:26:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Donald DiPaula To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX cc: swaters@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX, ph@XXXXXX, aki.damme@XXXXXX, pellaz@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet safety issue In-Reply-To: <481b4695.3599c534@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII as someone who has studied both logic (formal and informal) and statistics, i'll venture an observation and a question: first, both accidents and deaths fell, but the increase in the "death rate" seems to indicate that the sharpest drop is in non-fatal accidents. second, are these numbers normalized in any way? that is, if the stats are for a fairly constant amount of riding time/miles, then they are very significant; if motorcycle usage fell off sharply after the helmet law went into effect, then these numbers might be almost meaningless. just some things to think about... -D- > Ok, here are the stats as from the MSHA, Office of Traffic and Safety, and > Traffic safety division. > > Overall Accident Rate: > (Includes: Non-injury, injury, and fatality accidents) > 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 > 1997 > Accidents 2010 1693 1714 1752 1417 985 1118 989 889 > pending > Deaths 61 46 46 53 55 45 30 27 > 26 > Death Rate .303 .0271 .0268 .0302 .0388 .0456 .0268 .0273 .0292 > > Overall Accident Rate Summary: > 1985-91 Helmet Law 1992-96 > Total Accidents 15502 Adopted in 5398 > Total Deaths 427 1992 183 > Death Rate .0275 .0339 > > > Injury Accident Rate: > (Includes: Injury and Fatality Accidents) > 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 > 1997 > Accidents 1559 1386 1363 1431 1130 782 906 800 695 > pending > Deaths 61 46 46 53 55 45 30 27 > 26 > Death Rate .0391 .0331 .0331 .0370 .0486 .0575 .0331 .0337 .0374 > > Injury Accident Rate Summary: > 1988-91 Helmet Law 1992-96 > Total Injury Accidents 12385 Adopted in 4583 > Total Deaths 427 1992 183 > Death Rate .0334 .0399 > > -----END----- > > This report is from 1985 to 1996, but for format purposes, I just gave 88 and > up. I hope this gives a little insight to everyone. Let me know if you have > any questions. > > Sean G. Petr > 98 TL-R > "It's important for the boy to learn how to weasel out of things. It's what sets us apart from the animals. Except for the weasels." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 13:38:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26100; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00188 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12063 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:38:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA24550; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3BRPCGDT>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:38:51 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F281D@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'NJitzul@XXXXXX'" , CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Helmet safety issue Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:38:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Actually, it looked to me as if the fatality rate (fatalities/accident) went up between the two periods. The data showed a lot fewer deaths, but at the same time it showed about 6000 fewer reported accidents. Statistics can be tweaked to argue any case though. I agree with you...I'll choose to continue wearing mine. I've whacked the ground enough times between motrcross bikes and street bikes to know I'm better off with it.....and some of those accidents happen at the weirdest of times... > -----Original Message----- > From: NJitzul@XXXXXX [SMTP:NJitzul@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 1:34 PM > To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Helmet safety issue > > Well, what this shows me is that the Helmet law has helped. Though deaths > haven't dropped as much as accidents in general, it has dropped. We've all > got > the freedom to choose. I'll continue to choose to wear my helmet. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 13:58:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26321; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00838 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12563 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-153.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.153]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA12928; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:59:36 -0400 Message-ID: <359A786E.FFB23D5F@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 13:57:02 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: NJitzul@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet safety issue References: <11e77063.359a710e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Choosing to ride without a helmet is illegal. In the "Free State" you don't have the freedom to choose. Leon. NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > > Well, what this shows me is that the Helmet law has helped. Though deaths > haven't dropped as much as accidents in general, it has dropped. We've all got > the freedom to choose. I'll continue to choose to wear my helmet. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 14:02:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26417; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01054 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12684 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807011802.OAA12684@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A9CA400278; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 14:02:50 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 13:47:23 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: "Scheduled Maintenance" In-Reply-To: <000401bda512$fe4570c0$3280e2cf@ghowell> References: <85256634.0051FB14.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >The variances in valve inspection intervals are due to a number of factors. >Cam lift and duration being one. Engine RPM is another. Also factor in the >adjustment mechanism (some resist changing better than others) and the >metals used in the valves and seats that cause different wear patterns. The Honda ST1100 has shim-under-bucket valve adjustment, requiring removing the camshafts to adjust the valves. The only saving grace of that is that the design requires less frequent adjustment (I forget the maintenance interval, but I think it's over 20,000 mi.). >Let's not forget that most of our bikes have power/displacement ratios that >are closer to NASCAR, top fuel, Formula 1, etc. type vehicles rather than a >Honda Civic. With such power comes certain tradeoffs. We scoff at Wings and >PC 800's, but they are making not as much power/displacement. At the same >time, their servicing is much less severe. I'd be curious to see the actual numbers comparing the vehicles & engines. My bike makes the same horsepower as the car, using half the displacement. I certainly realize there are trade-offs. Leon Begeman made some similar points in a private post about how much power we wring out of bike engines. I guess I need to shift toward the Wings and PC's of this world -- what I really want is something like a "Toyota of motorcycles". Reasonably priced, efficient, effective, and made to do some miles. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 14:05:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26446; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01164 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12746 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:04:09 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WWVDa13456 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8f070db5.359a79a4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:02:11 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Helmet safety issue Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 I'm not saying whether you are doing it legally or not. I choose to obey the law and wear my helmet. In a state without a helmet law, I would still wear my helmet. I'm simply stating that if someone chooses not to wear their helmet, against the law or not, it's their choice. People choose to break the law all the time. I'm not saying it's right, just that it's their choice. Let's not make this a big issue, because the fact is, we have a helmet law. Live with it. Robert VanSlyke From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 14:18:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26887; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01614 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13150 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA27115 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:17:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199807011817.AA27115@portal.visa.com> Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:17:52 -0700 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:18:57 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >what I really want is something like a "Toyota of motorcycles" >Reasonably priced, efficient, effective, and made to do some miles. Sounds like a PC-800 to me... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 14:22:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26991; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:22:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01835 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1b.yahoomail.com (known send1b.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13267 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980701182104.25168.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1b; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 11:21:04 PDT Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:21:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Johnston Subject: Humor To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Things seem kind of slow and boring today ...I thought this might get a rise out of some of you out there... Not intended to hurt anyone's feelings :~)) >From Fuzzy Galores Web Site: "Top Ten Things Not To Say To A Lady Sportbike Rider" 10. "Your dad let you ride that thing?" 9. " That's alot of horsepower for you isn't it?" 8. " Have you ever had sex on it?" 7. " No? Can we try?" 6. " Do you ever ride in a g-string?" 5. " We'll wait for you at the intersections." 4. " Awwww, look. A girl on a sportbike. How cute." 3. " You don't really want that bike. You want a nice,little cruiser. Maybe like a 250." 2. " Did you ride that here all by yourself?" 1. " When your boyfriend comes out of the gas station, tell him i said 'nice bike'." _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 14:24:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27073; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01996 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13373 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:24:18 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DC9@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Clinton Cycles.. Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:22:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Can't say much about the additude of the mechanic I had to deal with (Jeff I believe), or the thought ability of the guy (in service as well) who didn't know how to get to the shop from Indian Head Highway (or 495).. I was failed on the inspection because I'm missing the pretty little cap that goes with the chain adjustment on the swingarm. Fine, dandy.. not a problem.. I'll find one... but DON'T tell me that it has to be there to keep the swingarm from torquing out of alignment when under acceleration. Even rudamentary physics can disprove that... sheesh.. I don't think I'd feel to confident with work done there, just based on the short conversations I had with them today (along with watching them adjust chains, and mount/balance tires.. heck, it took 2 of them 5 or more minutes to get a seat off.. you know the ones with the key latch, you turn the key and it comes off..) Of course, only my opinion. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 14:41:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27499; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02944 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mac_dell.hst.nasa.gov (known dhcp100_96.hst.nasa.gov [198.118.96.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14082 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 198.118.96.1 by mac_dell.hst.nasa.gov (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT) Received: from dn7ty ([198.27.17.91]) by lmmail.hst.nasa.gov (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 256; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:37:03 -0400 Message-ID: <044401bda51f$e8e1e710$5b111bc6@dn7ty.hst.lmms.lmco.com> From: "Rottier.Amy" To: "Jordan, Michael" , Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:41:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>what I really want is something like a "Toyota of motorcycles" >>Reasonably priced, efficient, effective, and made to do some miles. > >Sounds like a PC-800 to me... > >Michael J. Ahem, your point? Yeah, so it doesn't need much maintenance. So it looks like an Accord on two wheels. And it doesn't exactly glint in the sun - but it does shine! Why am I being so defensive all of a sudden??!! It's not like you were being uncomplimentary or mean or anything.... were you??! Amy, ever vigilant - watching for insults, implied or not... '89 PC800 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 14:58:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27714; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03117 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14534 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA03678 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:57:18 -0700 Message-Id: <199807011857.AA03678@portal.visa.com> Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:57:18 -0700 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:58:23 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain You do me an injustice, fair lady. What I said was in support of the PC - not my type of scooter, admittedly, but filling its niche quite nicely. For the person who is looking for a relatively low maintenance ride that doesn't need a weekend to clean ('cause it's hard to get into all of the motor crannies of a "nekkid" bike) and keeps him (or her) fairly free from oncoming bugs 'n stuff while providing a generous amount of lockable storage space - the PC is perfect - the Toyota of motorcycles. While I personally don't like the PC, I can appreciate it for what it is. Michael J. -----Original Message----- From: Rottier.Amy [mailto:Rottier.Amy@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 14:42 To: Jordan, Michael; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" >>what I really want is something like a "Toyota of motorcycles" >>Reasonably priced, efficient, effective, and made to do some miles. > >Sounds like a PC-800 to me... > >Michael J. Ahem, your point? Yeah, so it doesn't need much maintenance. So it looks like an Accord on two wheels. And it doesn't exactly glint in the sun - but it does shine! Why am I being so defensive all of a sudden??!! It's not like you were being uncomplimentary or mean or anything.... were you??! Amy, ever vigilant - watching for insults, implied or not... '89 PC800 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 15:01:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27783; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:01:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03197 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14650 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA04170 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:00:38 -0700 Message-Id: <199807011900.AA04170@portal.visa.com> Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:00:38 -0700 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Humor Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:01:43 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Yer timing is atrocious - Jeanette is out of the country right now and I think that Linda is still out west somewhere. You need to repost this when they're back. Let me know when - I want to sell tickets for the event. Or at least get the beer concession... Michael J. -----Original Message----- From: Craig Johnston [mailto:tleatsducks@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 14:21 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Humor Things seem kind of slow and boring today ...I thought this might get a rise out of some of you out there... Not intended to hurt anyone's feelings :~)) >From Fuzzy Galores Web Site: "Top Ten Things Not To Say To A Lady Sportbike Rider" 10. "Your dad let you ride that thing?" 9. " That's alot of horsepower for you isn't it?" 8. " Have you ever had sex on it?" 7. " No? Can we try?" 6. " Do you ever ride in a g-string?" 5. " We'll wait for you at the intersections." 4. " Awwww, look. A girl on a sportbike. How cute." 3. " You don't really want that bike. You want a nice,little cruiser. Maybe like a 250." 2. " Did you ride that here all by yourself?" 1. " When your boyfriend comes out of the gas station, tell him i said 'nice bike'." _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 15:07:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27886; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03380 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14946 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807011906.PAA14946@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A8D25C0276; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 15:06:58 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 15:09:27 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" In-Reply-To: <044401bda51f$e8e1e710$5b111bc6@dn7ty.hst.lmms.lmco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>what I really want is something like a "Toyota of motorcycles" >>>Reasonably priced, efficient, effective, and made to do some miles. >> >>Sounds like a PC-800 to me... >> >Ahem, your point? Yeah, so it doesn't need much maintenance. So it looks >like an Accord on two wheels. And it doesn't exactly glint in the sun - but >it does shine! > >Why am I being so defensive all of a sudden??!! It's not like you were >being uncomplimentary or mean or anything.... were you??! > >Amy, ever vigilant - watching for insults, implied or not... >'89 PC800 I've often thought the PC was a near-perfect commuter vehicle - minimal maintenance, big trunk, some weather protection. What kept me from really going for it was its relatively low payload (about 300-350 lb. isn't it? Unfortunately that makes it only a single-seater for me, and I'd like to ride two-up occasionally). Also, I recall that the alternator output is not a lot - for those cold electric vest days. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 15:07:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27885; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03377 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14938 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807011906.PAA14938@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A8D05C0276; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 15:06:56 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 15:05:30 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Humor In-Reply-To: <19980701182104.25168.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Isn't the guy who said that to Jeanette still in the hospital? :-) Chris Norloff At 11:21 AM 7/1/98 -0700, Craig Johnston wrote: >Things seem kind of slow and boring today ...I thought this might get >a rise out of some of you out there... >Not intended to hurt anyone's feelings :~)) > > >>From Fuzzy Galores Web Site: > >"Top Ten Things Not To Say To A Lady Sportbike Rider" > > > >10. "Your dad let you ride that thing?" > >9. " That's alot of horsepower for you isn't it?" > >8. " Have you ever had sex on it?" > >7. " No? Can we try?" > >6. " Do you ever ride in a g-string?" > >5. " We'll wait for you at the intersections." > >4. " Awwww, look. A girl on a sportbike. How cute." > >3. " You don't really want that bike. You want a nice,little cruiser. >Maybe like a 250." > >2. " Did you ride that here all by yourself?" > >1. " When your boyfriend comes out of the gas station, tell him i said >'nice bike'." > > > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 15:37:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28192; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03640 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mac_dell.hst.nasa.gov (known dhcp100_96.hst.nasa.gov [198.118.96.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15828 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 198.118.96.1 by mac_dell.hst.nasa.gov (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT) Received: from dn7ty ([198.27.17.91]) by lmmail.hst.nasa.gov (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 196; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:32:09 -0400 Message-ID: <04e801bda527$9b4b8fd0$5b111bc6@dn7ty.hst.lmms.lmco.com> From: "Rottier.Amy" To: , "Chris Norloff" Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:36:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff >I've often thought the PC was a near-perfect commuter vehicle - minimal >maintenance, big trunk, some weather protection. What kept me from really >going for it was its relatively low payload (about 300-350 lb. isn't it? >Unfortunately that makes it only a single-seater for me, and I'd like to >ride two-up occasionally). Also, I recall that the alternator output is >not a lot - for those cold electric vest days. Right on both accounts. I have to watch my loading (there ain't much room left after me and the gas...) physically, and electronically. Wiring it up for my wants will be a challenge. Although, there are plenty of people out there who have successfully wired it up for sound, heat (grips and vest), comm, and various others (clock, esp.). It can be done - but I'm sure that can be said of any bike, given certain parameters and added equipment. As for commuter bike - that's right. It's the best. But, I also enjoy it in the twisties - it's stable enough for me to feel like I can challenge myself and still control the bike well. It's no sportbike, power-wise, but handling is pleasant and agile. Amy OK - enough PC800 aggrandizement. Back to your regularly scheduled bi---- er, griping... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 16:09:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28671; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04681 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17054 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA25331 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:08:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Non moto: truck for sale Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is probably terribly inappropriate but traffic is slow and I'll keep it brief... For moto content: this would be a good choice for towing a bike. 89 Dodge Raider (aka, Mitsubishi Montero) 4x4, V6, 70k miles $6000. Thanks, Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 16:35:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28972; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:35:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05792 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known [206.27.242.109] [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17708 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p20dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.52]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA25539; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:26:43 -0400 Message-ID: <00b201bda52e$aa689060$34f31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" , Subject: Re: Where can I check VIN Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:27:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Is this some kind of sick joke? You're going from a Blackbird to a CB350 (no insult intended to CB owners; just a huge difference in bike styles). Your only fault was following too close and you've learned your lesson. Don't punish yourself too much!!! -----Original Message----- From: To: Date: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 7:30 AM Subject: Where can I check VIN >I found a nice bike I can consider as replacement. > >I have VIN number; where can I check if the bike is >OK ? Anyone knows a WWW page for this purpose, or >should I ask friendly bike shop to check this VIN >for me ? > >(Bike is a nice, clean Honda CB 350 - this time I won't >be tempted to ride fast :-) -- Tom Gimer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 18:42:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02747; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10413 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA23028 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.35]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 18:38:40 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Leon Begeman" , Cc: Subject: RE: Helmet safety issue Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:39:43 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bda541$24838be0$2380e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <359A786E.FFB23D5F@illuminet.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Illegality doesn't remove the freedom of choice. That simples complicates the issue by throwing in whether or not the benefits of not wearing a helmet are outweighed by not wearing a helmet AND committing civil disobedience. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mrider@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 1:57 PM > To: NJitzul@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Helmet safety issue > > > Choosing to ride without a helmet is illegal. In the "Free State" you > don't have the freedom to choose. > > Leon. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 18:42:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02749; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10421 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA23036 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.35]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 18:38:45 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "Dale Horstman" Subject: RE: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:39:53 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bda541$2a57db20$2380e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <359A9756.88ED4C8C@tidalwave.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > I thought the downside to hydraulic valves was that > they were particularly sensitive to engine oil level. > IOW, you really needed to check the oil frequently. > > Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. > > George Howell wrote: > > > > Hydraulic valves require no adjustments. That's just one downside of hydraulic valves. But how many of us have ever let oil levels go down that much? The others are as I said before: can't tolerate high revs or high lift cams. The UPside to hydraulic valves is that they require no adjustments. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 18:42:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02755; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10416 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA23032 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.35]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 18:38:41 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Chris Norloff" , Subject: RE: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:39:49 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bda541$27fd2240$2380e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199807011802.OAA12684@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > I guess I need to shift toward the Wings and PC's of this world -- what I > really want is something like a "Toyota of motorcycles". Reasonably > priced, efficient, effective, and made to do some miles. That would likely be the CB 750 (no offense, I wouldn't mind having one). If you look up 'motorcycle' in the dictionary, there should be a current Honda Nighthawk. I don't think a more generic motorcycle exists. It does NOTHING well. But everything moderately well. Probably more fun to ride than a Wing (which can boogie, but it's so damned much work:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 19:06:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA03972; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11065 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA24641 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA04291; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:05:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-02.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.66) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma004221; Wed Jul 1 18:05:14 1998 Message-ID: <359AEBE1.466A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 19:09:37 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Do they have a Concours at Coleman falls Church? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anybody that stops by Coleman-Falls Church know if they have a Kawasaki Concours on the floor. None of the dealers out this way keep them in stock, although they are all more than willing to order one ;). Twiggs in Hagerstown has even gotten the '99 dealer order sheet, and they are still listed for $7999. I would like to see how one would fit, ( Short Inseam ). Rode one back in mid eighties, which seemed a bit tall, but it looks like the seat is slightly different now. Plus a nother decades riding under the belt. Dont know when I'll ever get a chance to catch Dale or anyone else on a ride the way this summer is going. -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 22:47:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05634; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15810 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28202 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt.erols.com (207-172-121-124.s124.tnt15.brd.erols.com [207.172.121.124]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA26716; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807020246.WAA26716@smtp2.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: "Anita Lauro" , "Louis F. Caplan" , "DC-Cycles List" Subject: Re: Friday Ride? Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:42:34 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will be there between 10:00 and 10:30 on Friday. What is the planned route? Roy D. Turner, Esq. ---------- > From: Anita Lauro > To: Louis F. Caplan ; DC-Cycles List > Subject: RE: Friday Ride? > Date: Monday, June 29, 1998 7:42 PM > > On Monday, June 29, 1998 7:05 PM, Louis F. Caplan [SMTP:louis@XXXXXX] > wrote: > > : I'd be willing to lead either of these rides. They both start from > : Cycle Sports - Springfield. All of the rest stops are near gas > stations > : for those who are gas-tank challenged. 8^) > > Louis, > > Either ride sounds just great to me. I'll be at Cycle Sport by 10:15 am > or so. This is assuming that I don't remove parts from my motorcycle in > an attempt to change the oil, and then can't figure out what goes back > where!! :) I'd like to have a copy of one or both ride sheets, for > future reference. > > Thanks for taking the lead on this one! > > Anita > '96 GPZ1100 [No Name] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 09:38:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10918; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27943 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06610 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA11623 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:30:14 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 02 Jul 1998 09:35:15 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 09:37:52 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: biker shooter Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Barely caught this on Public Radio this am. Thought you folks would like to know that the dickless coward who shot and killed the Gold Wing rider the other night has turned himself in to Norfolk (or Hampton, can't remember which) police. Today's Richmond paper says David Sanchez, 17, of Hopewell sold the 9mm Tech 9 for $300 in Hopwell in the hours after the shooting. Police say the victim, James Hoover, 54, appeared to be a target of opportunity. There are a total of five defendants in the case. Sanchez's picture appears in the paper today. He got a reeeal purty mouth . . . Joe Nagy '85 Ninja Goochland Co. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 09:47:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10972; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28032 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06790 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:47:47 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id JAA13864 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:47:29 -0400 Message-Id: <199807021347.JAA13864@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:47:29 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:47:29 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:47:29 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 9:45:34 -0400 Subject: RE: Helmet safety issue To: cfagan@XXXXXX Cc: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, NJitzul@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F281D@MSCEX> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ...not to mention the very real possibility of kissing a pregnant rice bug right in your teeth, or worse yet, exploding into your mouth...YEEEEEEEEECCCCCCCCHHHHHH!!!!!!! *burp*..thankyouverymuch... ..now back to finishing my breakfast... ;-) -aki > Actually, it looked to me as if the fatality rate (fatalities/accident) > went up between the two periods. > The data showed a lot fewer deaths, but at the same time it showed about > 6000 fewer reported accidents. > Statistics can be tweaked to argue any case though. > I agree with you...I'll choose to continue wearing mine. I've whacked the > ground enough times between motrcross bikes and street bikes to know I'm > better off with it.....and some of those accidents happen at the weirdest of > times... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: NJitzul@XXXXXX [SMTP:NJitzul@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 1:34 PM > > To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Helmet safety issue > > > > Well, what this shows me is that the Helmet law has helped. Though deaths > > haven't dropped as much as accidents in general, it has dropped. We've all > > got > > the freedom to choose. I'll continue to choose to wear my helmet. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 09:48:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10977; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28038 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06796 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 315; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:47:48 -0400 Message-ID: <359B8F90.6F4ED4F2@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 09:48:00 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shephar1@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Do they have a Concours at Coleman falls Church? References: <359AEBE1.466A@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ken wrote: > > Anybody that stops by Coleman-Falls Church know if they have a Kawasaki > Concours on the floor. Dont know when I'll ever get a chance to catch > Dale or anyone else on a ride the way this summer is going. > -- I should be at Coleman Falls Church tomorrow for the Friday ride suggested by Anita & Louis. I'd be willing to swap the Connie for the Sporty for a short ride just about anytime. (Been itching to ride a Sporty anyway!) PS: The Connie is still pretty tall and top heavy, until you get used to it. But you are right, the newer seats did drop the seat height by about an inch or so. PPS: The father in law is still riding your old 440 LTD. I think he likes it pretty well. It's far and away a better bike than my 400 :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 09:54:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11013; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28298 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06921 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:53:43 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id JAA14611 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:53:30 -0400 Message-Id: <199807021353.JAA14611@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:53:30 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:53:30 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:53:30 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 9:51:14 -0400 Subject: Re: Humor To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199807011906.PAA14938@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ...actually I heard he's no longer with us...Jeanette heard he was getting better so she rode her VFR up the stairs and ran over his head... -aki > Isn't the guy who said that to Jeanette still in the hospital? > > :-) > Chris Norloff > > > At 11:21 AM 7/1/98 -0700, Craig Johnston wrote: > >Things seem kind of slow and boring today ...I thought this might get > >a rise out of some of you out there... > >Not intended to hurt anyone's feelings :~)) > > > > > >>From Fuzzy Galores Web Site: > > > >"Top Ten Things Not To Say To A Lady Sportbike Rider" > > > > > > > >10. "Your dad let you ride that thing?" > > > >9. " That's alot of horsepower for you isn't it?" > > > >8. " Have you ever had sex on it?" > > > >7. " No? Can we try?" > > > >6. " Do you ever ride in a g-string?" > > > >5. " We'll wait for you at the intersections." > > > >4. " Awwww, look. A girl on a sportbike. How cute." > > > >3. " You don't really want that bike. You want a nice,little cruiser. > >Maybe like a 250." > > > >2. " Did you ride that here all by yourself?" > > > >1. " When your boyfriend comes out of the gas station, tell him i said > >'nice bike'." > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________ > >DO YOU YAHOO!? > >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 09:54:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11017; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28334 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06933 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) id ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:53:35 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Outa Here Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:54:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) Content-Type: text/plain I'm off on vacation for a week and I'll be unsubscribing. Tom M. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 09:55:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11026; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:55:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28395 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06945 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 197; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:54:39 -0400 Message-ID: <359B9128.2675A0F@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 09:54:48 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anita Lauro , "Louis F. Caplan" CC: DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: Friday Ride? References: <199807020246.WAA26716@smtp2.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Louis wrote: > > : I'd be willing to lead either of these rides. They both start from > > : Cycle Sports - Springfield. All of the rest stops are near gas > > stations > > : for those who are gas-tank challenged. 8^) I hadn't spoken up earlier until I was sure I was free and clear, but count me in for the Friday ride! I'll be at Cycle Sports by 10:00 or so. If no one else has expressed a preference, I'd vote for the longer of the two routes - the one that goes out to Middleburg, Winchester, etc. But then again I would always vote for the longer route anyways! :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 09:58:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11060; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28692 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:58:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known [206.213.111.115] [206.213.111.115]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07041 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. 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Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 06:52:12 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Hi Dale, I thought we were going to meet at the Cycle Sport in Springfield at 10ish? - - Ursulina -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 02, 1998 6:48 AM To: shephar1@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Do they have a Concours at Coleman falls Church? Ken wrote: > > Anybody that stops by Coleman-Falls Church know if they have a Kawasaki > Concours on the floor. Dont know when I'll ever get a chance to catch > Dale or anyone else on a ride the way this summer is going. > -- I should be at Coleman Falls Church tomorrow for the Friday ride suggested by Anita & Louis. I'd be willing to swap the Connie for the Sporty for a short ride just about anytime. (Been itching to ride a Sporty anyway!) PS: The Connie is still pretty tall and top heavy, until you get used to it. 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M,0LN4#X`:0&0("8@3/\(8 0`1$%%X$XS`_ XL!P$\QH$`^!A/<:G4I\!RP!N!U$! :$\](T2M !X!$02A"">$= MX']'H1P%2>,W,%;E2-%*<2'R*1H*4%,V0"UQ5==*TO\K0$8!$I 0D%M3$$1!0EC@(&$B M"L ;1DGA' )A(9\%P ;P M'L G85-@5$1+]9L:P@N :U_Q:>!I:P>1GU,07K8;8#BP4\)T)P0@_SB02+(> MP4IR-S :!$Y0`D#=1E%B;6$^<@.@;2Y0)W#M$+ Z7&LI?"@<\BJV7&5_5\$J M[Q"0&@HNLT'V-T@BJ6)P9U,+8'D$D")VIN8W(Y!W5TM:<:$:!!4A`@![4 `` M``,`+@``````"P`"``$````>`' ``0```#$```!$;R!T:&5Y(&AA=F4@82!# M;VYC;W5R`#T``0`` M``4```!213H@``````L`*0``````"P`C```````"`7\``0```% ````\8SU5 M4R5A/4%45$U!24PE<#U!5%0E;#U(445.1U]-4T; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07126 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:07:07 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: Dale Horstman , shephar1@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Do they have a Concours at Coleman falls Church? Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:07:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain On Thursday, July 02, 1998 9:48 AM, Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] wrote: : I should be at Coleman Falls Church tomorrow for the Friday : ride suggested by Anita & Louis. I'd be willing to : swap the Connie for the Sporty for a short ride just about : anytime. (Been itching to ride a Sporty anyway!) Dale, The ride actually starts at Cycle Sport in Springfield, not at Coleman's in Falls Church! Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 10:01:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11125; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:01:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29066 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07135 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:01:24 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id KAA15338 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:01:09 -0400 Message-Id: <199807021401.KAA15338@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:01:09 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:01:09 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:01:09 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 9:59:13 -0400 Subject: biker shooter To: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ..can we say "Prison Bitch for Life"? ..I knew you could... > Barely caught this on Public Radio this am. > > Thought you folks would like to know that the dickless coward who shot > and killed the Gold Wing rider the other night has turned himself in to > Norfolk (or Hampton, can't remember which) police. > > Today's Richmond paper says David Sanchez, 17, of Hopewell sold the 9mm > Tech 9 for $300 in Hopwell in the hours after the shooting. > > Police say the victim, James Hoover, 54, appeared to be a target of > opportunity. There are a total of five defendants in the case. > > Sanchez's picture appears in the paper today. He got a reeeal purty > mouth . . . > > Joe Nagy > '85 Ninja > Goochland Co. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 10:22:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11344; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00152 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07733 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:22:28 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WGZIa19316 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <89675504.359b96f7@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:19:34 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Harley tour Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 I've returned from my vacation which began on a Harley in San Fransisco. I rode pillion (darn!) and my boyfriend rode (since he paid for the bike - I'm too poor) And yes - one can rent Harleys...... anyway. We went down Route 1 to L.A., stopping in little places along the way like Carmel and Big Sur. Route 1 is plenty twisty but is still being repaired from the storm damage they had a coup[le months ago so there were some long waits for road crews to get by....... (oh - did I mention rides through Napa Valley? BEAUtiful!) From LA we got on the LA freeway (NIGHTMARE) and rode out to Palm Springs. Straight, flat, scary, and boring. Those people drive like maniacs! It's legal to split lanes in California :D ......... From Palm Springs we went across the Mojave desert in the late afternoon so as not to be too hot and ended up riding a good portion of it in the dark with nothing but the starts to see by (and the headlights....). Did you know there are people living in the middle of the Mojave? Very strange. I wonder what they do for a living? Stopped finally in Needles, CA and the next morning got onto the historic Route 66 which is a twisty TWISTY turning hilly road through the Arizona desert - you come across a car (driving) every mile or so (or less often sometimes) so you pretty much get the road to yourself....... I rode through Route 66 for a while (I was very afraid of dropping this rented Harley 1200 however because with the boy on the back it got dang heavy!) We stopped in a couple little desert town along the way .... touristy stuff .... whole town looks like old west kind of town ...... you know .... but they had water! Thank god! (gets pretty hot in the desert kids!) We followed Route 66 all the way to the Grand Canyon which simply must be seen to be understood. Pictures ABSOLUTELY do NOT do it any kind of justice whatsoever! (was that emphatic enough?) From there went south via secondary roads towards Phoenix, missing by one day the Harley rally in Flagstaff Arizona....... Northern Arizona is gorgeous with cool rock formations and great weather. Then, two hours outside of Phoenix, we entered hell. :D No really! Suddenyl the temperature went up to about 100! We rode for an hour, sweat pouring off of us, thinking it couldn't possibly get any hotter. We were wrong. 110 that day in sunny Phoenx. Thank heavens Arizona has NO helmet law! :D:D:D Just a bandana between my and the sky. (and the ground......... I know I know) However, southern AZ is beautiful in it's own way with cacti everywhere! The kind you'd see in a roadrunner cartoon. But hot hot hot! Although apparently 9 months of the year it's paradise with 70 degrees and perfect skies....... there is NO better way to spend a vacation as far as I'm concerned. Bikers out there were all very friendly. Everybody waves to eachother in passing. And I realized something in a very concrete way, which I've sort of known but never thoroughly understood before. It is this: the entire country (and much of the world) is PAVED. Marcy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 10:35:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11445; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00604 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08158 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:35:53 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DD3@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: NYC Directions.. Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:34:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Argh.. I must be a hopeless country boy.. I'm attempting to find a quick way up to NYC and into the city, and I know you get off 95 somewhere to hit the NJ turnpike (I think).. where is that though? Oh, if anyone's got some good, non interstate way to come back from there, I have all day Sunday to return.. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 10:39:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11480; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00727 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08233 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA10019 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:38:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Friday riding Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well it looks like it will end up just being Glenn and I for the weekend trip (although Leon will be riding back with us on Sunday). You know, there's no reason others couldn't join up for part of the way. We're going to head out 66 to 647, 522, 211, 81, 33, etc. You could head back from 33 using 28/250, or heading north to 55E at Seneca Rocks (which is a sight worth stopping for). You may even find the rest of the weekend hard to resist... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 10:47:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11630; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01070 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send101.yahoomail.com (known send101.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.87]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08476 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980702144704.27789.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send101.yahoomail.com; Thu, 02 Jul 1998 07:47:04 PDT Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 07:47:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Johnston Subject: Re: Humor To: aki.damme@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Damn you all can't take a joke :~( Too bad ....no humor , no fun... Make whatever of it that you want .. I could care less. Craig ---aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: > > ...actually I heard he's no longer with us...Jeanette heard > he was getting better so she rode her VFR up the stairs and > ran over his head... > > -aki > > > Isn't the guy who said that to Jeanette still in the hospital? > > > > :-) > > Chris Norloff _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 10:48:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11639; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01095 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08524 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 264; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:47:35 -0400 Message-ID: <359B9D93.DDA4BE62@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 10:47:47 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Viteri, Ursulina" , Ken Shepard , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Do they have a Concours at Coleman falls Church? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, yes, my bad, I meant to say I would be at Cycle Sport Springfield tomorrow, I'm not nearly as confused as I sound, really. Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > > Hi Dale, > > I thought we were going to meet at the Cycle Sport in Springfield at > 10ish? > > - - Ursulina > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 02, 1998 6:48 AM > To: shephar1@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Do they have a Concours at Coleman falls Church? > > Ken wrote: > > > > Anybody that stops by Coleman-Falls Church know if they have a Kawasaki > > Concours on the floor. Dont know when I'll ever get a chance to > catch > > Dale or anyone else on a ride the way this summer is going. > > -- > > I should be at Coleman Falls Church tomorrow for the Friday > ride suggested by Anita & Louis. I'd be willing to > swap the Connie for the Sporty for a short ride just about > anytime. (Been itching to ride a Sporty anyway!) > > PS: The Connie is still pretty tall and top heavy, until > you get used to it. But you are right, the newer seats > did drop the seat height by about an inch or so. > > PPS: The father in law is still riding your old 440 LTD. > I think he likes it pretty well. It's far and away a > better bike than my 400 :) > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > > Name: WINMAIL.DAT > WINMAIL.DAT Type: wordpad (application/x-unknown-content-type-dat_auto_file) > Encoding: x-uuencode -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 10:49:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA11656; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:49:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01134 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08565 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:48:57 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id KAA19410 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:48:39 -0400 Message-Id: <199807021448.KAA19410@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:48:39 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:48:39 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:48:39 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:46:49 -0400 Subject: Harley tour To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <89675504.359b96f7@aol.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME GREAT story! Sounds like you had a blast! Don't know what brought tears to my eyes, the idea of riding through the desert and seeing the nighttime sky as well seeing the Grand Canyon (which I agree, is simply breathtaking), or the fact that someone can AFFORD renting a Harley for that long! 8-P -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 11:21:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12266; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA02503 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09990 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 347 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:20:52 -0400 Message-ID: <359BA55F.56BB51DD@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 11:21:03 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Old Herndon Police Poker Run Ride sheets Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone happen to have e-copies of the previous Herndon Police Poker Run ride sheets stashed somewhere? I was gonna re-run mine from a couple of years ago, imagine my dismay when I found out I misplaced them somewhere... Much thanks in advance if anyone can help me out. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 11:43:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12684; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03302 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11000 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA11277 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:43:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Alternative Friday Ride Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Plans for the 3 day trip have turned a bit sour (sorry, Leon, I won't be in Princeton Sunday morning but we will reschedule the weekend trip) so, instead, there will be a full day of riding on Saturday. We'll meet at the I-66 rest stop (there is only one on the entire length of 66) near Manassas at 9:00am tomorrow, July 3rd. That is, we'll leave the rest stop at 9:00am... Corners will be taken at a spirited pace, passing on the double yellow will be done as necessary but most straightaways will be taken near the speed limit. Some of the roads aren't beginner friendly (particularly US250, which normally doesn't like beginners but is particularly bad now with gravel patches on it). The general route will be: I-66, 647, 522, 211, 81 or 11, lunch in Harrisonburg, 33 (maybe all the way to Elkins), 250, and back. I will probably lead most of the route and, as usual, encourage everyone to go at a pace which is comfortable to you. This route will be a few more miles than the Cycle Sport ride. I expect 400-450 miles from College Park. Let me know if you think you'll make it. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 11:56:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12910; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03590 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11537 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA11547 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:55:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Weekend trip planned Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We have postponed our 3-day trip to Princeton, WV (which was going to be July 3-5). I would like to go ahead and plan the actual date for this ride. Any weekend in July or August (oops, not August 22/23, my anniversary weekend) should be fair game. If you've followed the route listing and general plan option I've been posting to the list lately you should have a good idea of what we'll be doing. There is the potential for picking between doing this over 2 days and doing this over 3 days (my preference). The 2 day trip would involve leaving early (5-6:00am) on saturday, slabbing it quickly down to Princeton, and doing a VA16 loop. On Sunday, we'd return on backroads through the heart of WV. The 3 day trip would involve leaving on a Friday, taking backroads throught the heart of WV, doing a VA16 loop on Saturday, and then taking backroads throught the heart of WV to get back home. We can do the whole thing pretty leisurely so, even if you don't consider yourself a 'sporty' rider, we ought to be able to accomodate you. My personal ride will involve going briskly through the corners, passing on the double yellow when approaching twisties, and taking a sedate pace on the straights. If you'd like to be involved give me your preference for dates and tell me which option (2 day or 3 day) you'd prefer. Note that both options will give you about 1000 mostly backroads miles from the DC area. If you want more miles I would gladly accomodate you... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 12:25:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13397; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04451 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12448 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:24:51 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WMDJa22587 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:22:48 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: motorcycle wanted Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 I clipped the following from the classifieds in Motorcycle Online. I seem to recall some listers had bikes for sale. Respond to daveyb@XXXXXX. I know nothing more about this. Mark Wanted: Sport Bike in DC area daveyb@XXXXXX Mon Jun 8 10:54:13 PDT 1998 I am looking for a used sport bike. I am interested in a YZF600R or a CBR600F3. I am in the Washington DC metro area and would be interested in someone selling a sport bike in this area for a reasonable price. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 12:39:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13589; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04814 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13018 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-153.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.153]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA13171; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:41:38 -0400 Message-ID: <359BB79E.F04C5EB2@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 12:38:54 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Alternative Friday Ride References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So Friday goes from the rest area in Manassas to Elkins WV (or nearly so) except for the other group which leaves from Cycle Sport. What's on for Saturday? Is there a ride Sunday? Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 13:47:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14712; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07257 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15548 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 197; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:47:13 -0400 Message-ID: <359BC796.C229FF16@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 13:47:02 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anita Lauro , "Louis F. Caplan" , DC-Cycles List Subject: Damn, Best laid plans, was Re: Friday Ride? References: <199807020246.WAA26716@smtp2.erols.com> <359B9128.2675A0F@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Earlier today I wrote: > I hadn't spoken up earlier until I was sure I was free and > clear, but count me in for the Friday ride! I'll be at > Cycle Sports by 10:00 or so. -- Looks like I spoke too soon. Now I *won't* be able to make the ride on Friday morning. I'm seriously bummed out now. I hate last minute changes like this... Oh well, another time! Have fun, and ride safe! Maybe if I'm good this weekend (read that as "if I bust my ass doing chores around the house all day Saturday") I might be up for a nice long Sunday ride. :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 14:01:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14972; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:01:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07462 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo30.mx.aol.com (known imo30.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.74]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16193 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:01:08 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WHVAa26166 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20d0561c.359bc8fe@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:53:01 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Humor Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-07-02 10:52:27 EDT, you write: << Damn you all can't take a joke :~( >> I think we all took it as a joke, Craig. All I saw was light-hearted replies. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 14:06:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15094; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07504 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16454 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id OAA03284; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma003243; Thu, 2 Jul 98 14:06:17 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:08:41 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Accident Stats Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:08:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >This report is from 1985 to 1996, but for format purposes, I just gave 88 and >up. I hope this gives a little insight to everyone. Let me know if you have >any questions. > >Sean G. Petr >98 TL-R Looking at accident stats and helmet laws alone would only make sense if helmets were the only factor that causes or prevents accidents. Since traffic density, rider education, level of overall vehicle law enforcement, weather, and a number of other factors affect the frequency of severity of accidents, there's not really much insight to be found in numbers such as these. --John Whiteside From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 14:22:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15482; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07715 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:22:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17031 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:22:32 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id OAA03955 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:22:19 -0400 Message-Id: <199807021822.OAA03955@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:22:19 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:22:19 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:22:19 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:20:12 -0400 Subject: read on SABMAG list... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME thought yall would find this humorous..wouldn't be nice to have self healing bikes? (the topic was a recent low-sider by a fellow rider and subsequent damages to ego and bike..) -aki >X-Comment: mitvma.mit.edu: Mail was sent by mail.rewarner.com >Priority: normal >Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:56:06 -5 >Reply-To: Honda Sabre and Magna Motorcycle Owners >Sender: Honda Sabre and Magna Motorcycle Owners >From: "David A. Ryder" >Organization: REWarner & Associates >Subject: Re: SME 3.0, another one bites the dust. >To: SABMAG@XXXXXX > >On 2 Jul 98 at 10:26, Joel Harding wrote: > >> BTW: The bike can always be fixed again. I'd rather see scratched >> plastic than skin grafts! > >Actually, in many cases, fixing the skin is MUCH cheaper than fixing >the bike. As Lee (SabreMan) found out, a $10 copayment and a few >weeks in a soft cast and bandages and he was fine. The BIKE, on the >other hand.... > >Someday we'll invent self-healing skin for our bikes! Hey, wait a >minute...obligatory 80's quote? > >"So, you're alive?" >"Living tissue over poly-alloy frame." > > >David Ryder >Cleveland, OH >SabMag Calendar: www.infinet.com/~trigger/calendar.html >85 VF1100S Sabre, "The Asphalt Chainsaw" > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 14:23:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15490; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07736 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17059 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:23:01 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WOPYa11435 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <976554f.359bcf95@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:21:08 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: beginner bike for sale Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 I'm posting this for a computer-less friend who just bought a Hawk and wants to sell her learner bike. It's a 1982 (I think) Yamaha SR250. She's asking $500. It's in nice shape and runs great, but anyone interested in details will have to contact her. For more info, call Erin or Robert at 410/309-3188. The bike is in Columbia, MD. Colleen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 14:25:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15511; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA07798 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17168 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:25:19 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 9IUTa19316; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1b3e4568.359bd06d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:24:44 EDT To: jwhiteside@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Accident Stats Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Thanks!! That's what I've kinda, sorta been trying to say!! When it comes down to it, wear a helmet! Why? Cause it's the law. Live with it! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 14:49:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15998; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08444 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18129 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p7dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.39]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA28471; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:48:58 -0400 Message-ID: <004f01bda5ea$2cc0b900$27f31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: Alternative Friday Ride Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:49:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 The message says full day of riding on Saturday and it appears you meant Friday. Which is it? If it's Saturday, I'm in....otherwise I'll probably do this route or one like it on Saturday alone (unless there are some other takers). -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Date: Thursday, July 02, 1998 11:49 AM Subject: Alternative Friday Ride >Plans for the 3 day trip have turned a bit sour (sorry, Leon, I won't be >in Princeton Sunday morning but we will reschedule the weekend trip) so, >instead, there will be a full day of riding on Saturday. We'll meet at the >I-66 rest stop (there is only one on the entire length of 66) near >Manassas at 9:00am tomorrow, July 3rd. That is, we'll leave the rest stop >at 9:00am... -- Tom Gimer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 15:46:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16653; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09689 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beckmann.eng.umd.edu (known beckmann.eng.umd.edu [129.2.102.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA19982 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from twiddle.eng.umd.edu (twiddle.eng.umd.edu [129.2.94.141]) by beckmann.eng.umd.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA03187; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:45:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert S. Fourney" Received: (from knee@localhost) by twiddle.eng.umd.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA20715; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807021945.PAA20715@twiddle.eng.umd.edu> To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dipaula@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet safety issue Cc: aki.damme@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX, pellaz@XXXXXX, ph@XXXXXX, swaters@XXXXXX The number to look at is "deaths per accident" or death rate. Even the staunchest mommy-crat doesn't claim that helmets prevent accidents, the best they can do is help you survive (or improve your "quality of life" after the spill). This number remains almost constant in every before/after study I've ever seen, which implies helmet _LAWS_ don't do much good... Bob Fourney, county co-ordinater Howard county MD ABATE, AND full face helmet wearer before and after the law From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 16:08:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17204; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA10139 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from access5.digex.net (known access5.digex.net [205.197.245.196]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21211 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (dipaula@localhost) by access5.digex.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id QAA17668; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:08:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Donald DiPaula To: "Robert S. Fourney" cc: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dipaula@XXXXXX, aki.damme@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX, pellaz@XXXXXX, ph@XXXXXX, swaters@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet safety issue In-Reply-To: <199807021945.PAA20715@twiddle.eng.umd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > The number to look at is "deaths per accident" or death rate. > Even the staunchest mommy-crat doesn't claim that helmets prevent accidents, > the best they can do is help you survive (or improve your "quality of life" > after the spill). This number remains almost constant in every before/after > study I've ever seen, which implies helmet _LAWS_ don't do much good... i make no claims either way; i'm merely pointing out that the data is almost meaningless without a context. in classical terms, what is the control group? i do believe that the right helmet _can_ help prevent accidents by separating the rider from distractions (wind, bugs, etc.) that might otherwise keep him from noticing road hazards in time. if riding remains constant but accidents go down with helmet use, then clearly helmets are a good thing even if you don't crash. if riding decreases and accidents decrease similarly, then that would no longer hold true. in either case, i'm considering the possibility helmet _use_ might have; i am _not_ going to get into an argument here about helmet laws, an entirely different subject. > Bob Fourney, county co-ordinater Howard county MD ABATE, > AND full face helmet wearer before and after the law -D- "It's important for the boy to learn how to weasel out of things. It's what sets us apart from the animals. Except for the weasels." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 16:17:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17638; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA10314 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21990 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:16:58 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id QAA11116 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:15:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199807022015.QAA11116@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:15:37 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:15:37 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:15:37 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:13:21 -0400 Subject: Re: Helmet safety issue To: dipaula@XXXXXX Cc: aki.damme@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dipaula@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX, knee@XXXXXX, pellaz@XXXXXX, ph@XXXXXX, swaters@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME I certainly won't go into the lid .vs. lidless issue,however there are atleast a couple of people in this group that will attest to the fact that just this summer alone, their helmets definately saved their lives... -aki > > The number to look at is "deaths per accident" or death rate. > > Even the staunchest mommy-crat doesn't claim that helmets prevent accidents, > > the best they can do is help you survive (or improve your "quality of life" > > after the spill). This number remains almost constant in every before/after > > study I've ever seen, which implies helmet _LAWS_ don't do much good... > > i make no claims either way; i'm merely pointing out that the data is almost > meaningless without a context. in classical terms, what is the control group? > > i do believe that the right helmet _can_ help prevent accidents by separating > the rider from distractions (wind, bugs, etc.) that might otherwise keep him > from noticing road hazards in time. > > if riding remains constant but accidents go down with helmet use, then clearly > helmets are a good thing even if you don't crash. if riding decreases and > accidents decrease similarly, then that would no longer hold true. in either > case, i'm considering the possibility helmet _use_ might have; i am _not_ > going to get into an argument here about helmet laws, an entirely different > subject. > > > Bob Fourney, county co-ordinater Howard county MD ABATE, > > AND full face helmet wearer before and after the law > > -D- > > "It's important for the boy to learn how to weasel out of things. It's > what sets us apart from the animals. Except for the weasels." > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 19:02:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA21010; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA14530 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.14]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27770 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:01:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA06244; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 18:01:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-37.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.101) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma006186; Thu Jul 2 18:00:11 1998 Message-ID: <359C3C2A.2A2A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 19:04:26 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Concours/the old KZ... References: <359AEBE1.466A@ix.netcom.com> <359B8F90.6F4ED4F2@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > > -- > > I should be at Coleman Falls Church tomorrow for the Friday > ride suggested by Anita & Louis. I'd be willing to > swap the Connie for the Sporty for a short ride just about > anytime. (Been itching to ride a Sporty anyway!) > > > PPS: The father in law is still riding your old 440 LTD. > I think he likes it pretty well. It's far and away a > better bike than my 400 :) -- Hey Dale, Thats great , I was curious as to how your Dad was getting along with the KZ. It's a great bike, I actually miss it sometimes. My daughtewr keeps asking about it. Anyway I would love to be able to take you up on the offer to switch rides for a bit tomorrow, but unfortunately I am working. UGH ;(...... One of these days though unless I can find one sitting somewhere. Anyway, everybody be careful out there this weekend, keep the rubber side down... Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 19:11:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA21112; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA14594 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.14]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA27894 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA07102; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 18:10:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-37.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.101) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma007063; Thu Jul 2 18:09:48 1998 Message-ID: <359C3E71.30F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 19:14:09 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The 99 concours is Maroon by the way Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------4D1F45CA5863" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4D1F45CA5863 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey and the 99 is Maroon, werent they that color years ago? -- Ken S. 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dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 20:06:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA21770; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA14853 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAF (known smtp6.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.75]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA29264 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:05:24 -0400 Sender: hgg@XXXXXX Received: from HGREENS.adventisthealthcare.com (pool-207-205-219-115.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.219.115]) by hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.3) with SMTP id UAA10753 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980702200726.006ad0ec@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: hggmd@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 20:07:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Harry G. Greenspun, M.D." Subject: Another Motorcycle Leather Exchange Success Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Folks, I have to send out another public thank you to Colleen "I never forget a butt" Bray and her Motorcycle Leather Exchange. She wrote me of some new arrivals that might fit me and my favorite leather-clad beauty. Now I'm a proud and delighted owner of some snazzy new duds that round out my wardrobe. For those of you who haven't checked out her inventory, you don't know what you're missing. Write her (mailto:motorle@XXXXXX) and find out. Harry Bethesda, MD '97 BMW R1100RT http://www.greenspun.com/harry/bikes.htm "The more you live, the less you die." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 20:42:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA22001; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA15009 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA29714 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm1-15.dial.nova.org (pm1-15.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.143]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA20593 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:42:00 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Alternative Friday ride start time change Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 00:42:36 GMT Message-ID: <35a828bd.725462528@mailgate.nova.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In the unlikely event that you guys read your e-mail this late... The ride meeting at the I-66 rest stop will be meeting at 7:30am, July 3rd. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 20:51:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA22067; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA15093 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:51:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (known camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA29782 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:51:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (user-37kbm1r.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.216.59]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA01420 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:50:51 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDA5FB.19703400.zellto@mindspring.com> From: "Thomas W.Zell" Reply-To: "zellto@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Cycle Sport Ride... Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:50:50 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi folks, Been outta town for the last few days riding the heck outta my VFR along the beaches of VA and Carolina.... I here that there is a ride tomorrow... can anyone give up some details? I might be interested. Thanks, Tom '86 VFR750r From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 21:16:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA22277; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA15260 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00129 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.22] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2630 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id VAA00210; Thu, 02 Jul 1998 21:17:00 -0400 Message-ID: <002001bda61f$fc24a960$1673c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" , "Kirk Roy" Subject: Re: Alternative Friday ride start time change Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:14:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Hi Kirk, Craig & I will be there 7:30 - 7:45. See you then! Bruce Leesburg, VA '98 VFR800 "Tronix" '94 RF600 "For Sale" >In the unlikely event that you guys read your e-mail this late... > >The ride meeting at the I-66 rest stop will be meeting at 7:30am, July >3rd. > >Kirk > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 21:18:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA22291; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA15273 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (known dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00154 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (user-38lcivf.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.75.239]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA08097 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:18:07 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDA5FE.E8580240.zellto@mindspring.com> From: "Thomas W.Zell" Reply-To: "zellto@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: VA Beach trip and Harley pilot's Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:18:06 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On my trip's back and forth between VA Beach, Nags Head, Hatteras, and home I came across many, many, many motorcyclists. Also came across a great deal of assholes on Harley's(and a few Gold Winger's). Now I'll give the Gold Winger's the benefit of the doubt(they were probably too busy chatting on the radio to pay attention), but why do Harley pilot's insist on ignoring people on other brands of bikes(I read the list of reasons already...)? Is it just too difficult for them to raise their hand for just a second to acknowledge me? Here I am.... cruising down the strip... all kinds of people on sportbikes, cruisers(non-Harley), and standards are acknowledging me either by a wave or a nod. But not the Harley dudes... I could just about be yelling at them and they still ignore me... Why? Can any Harley folks out there please explain this to me? It's quite annoying..... and makes you all look like a bunch of stuck up assholes(no offence meant here). The ones that didn't wave on the retuen trip home today got the"bird"instead. I hate having to drop to that kind of level.... -Tom '86 VFR750r From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 23:52:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23873; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16151 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA02370 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3CG6ZVQ7>; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:57:30 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C404886358@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Kirk Roy'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Friday riding Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:57:26 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) What's the departing time and from where? Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 02, 1998 10:39 AM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Friday riding > > Well it looks like it will end up just being Glenn and I for the weekend > trip (although Leon will be riding back with us on Sunday). You know, > there's no reason others couldn't join up for part of the way. We're going > to head out 66 to 647, 522, 211, 81, 33, etc. You could head back from 33 > using 28/250, or heading north to 55E at Seneca Rocks (which is a sight > worth stopping for). You may even find the rest of the weekend hard to > resist... > > Kirk > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 3 02:40:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA25771; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA19476 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:40:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA04400 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:40:08 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 2VHQa11468; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <47aa945.359c7c4b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:37:37 EDT To: aki.damme@XXXXXX Cc: dipaula@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX, knee@XXXXXX, pellaz@XXXXXX, ph@XXXXXX, swaters@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Sorry to stir up trouble.(was Re: Helmet safety issue) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Ok, when I sent out the email, I wasnt trying to start a fuss between listers, just trying to give you guys some data, that I know isnt always available to everyone. The fact is, that the numbers on the graph, are actual numbers of accidents, deaths, etc. These arent accidents/deaths per mile as some of you have perceived.so there really is no need for "control group". And to those of you who say "its the law so deal with it." Nothing make me madder than hell to see you bend over and spread em willingly to all this legislative BS. ABATE and other helmet law activists arent just in it to get the helmet law repealed, they are trying to protect your rights TO CHOOSE. I know that I dont want a government that wants to protect me, from me, just cause Im a social burden. F*@! that. If all you do is accept what is given to you, you'll never know what its like to live in a free country. How would you like to wear a helmet with a 3rd brake light in it??? sound like fun? or how about big bulky leg protectors on the sides of your bikes? thats what they are testing over in europe, and the US is keeping an eye on it. I dont know about you but that scares the hell out of me. I mean, sure, making helmets mandatory is not a bad Idea, but just because its not a bad Idea doesnt mean its not going to be a bad law. What next? where do they stop? you let them make you wear helmets, and then they want you to do this, and then that... How do you feel about mandatory life jackets for boaters? sure, it doesnt deal with motorcycles, but when your trynig to make a point in the legislative body, it makes a great deal of motorcycles. And Im sorry for going off like this, but I just wish more people wouldnt just sit back and take stuff. We all need to do our part to make sure we all have the right to choose. thats all, is that so bad? Sean G. Petr 98 TL-R From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 3 09:55:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28389; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22332 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08538 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:54:41 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id JAA19667 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:53:57 -0400 Message-Id: <199807031353.JAA19667@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:53:57 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:53:57 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:53:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 9:47:47 -0400 Subject: Sorry to stir up trouble.(was Re: Helmet safety issue) To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Cc: aki.damme@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dipaula@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX, knee@XXXXXX, pellaz@XXXXXX, ph@XXXXXX, swaters@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <47aa945.359c7c4b@aol.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ....a couple of things, if you will... 1. I don't think *I* ever said anything about have to "live with the law"..however I *do* agree that anyone who rides around without a helmet is just plain brain dead..if they aren't now, they eventually *will* be...I don't know about everyone else, but if the helmet law was repealed in the D.C. area, I'd *still* wear one...my faith in the ability of cagers in this area (and probably the rest of the US), isn't THAT good! Additionally, the only people who scream about the "fact" that helmets don't save lives are LIVING...not a squeak (no pun intended) from the the thousands 6 feet under that *also* thought helmets were a pain and a "restriction" of their rights...personally I think THAT silent crowd is a testimony of the safety of helmets. I guess when I see someone out west riding without a helmet, the first thought that goes through me is "Gawd, that idiot sure has ALOT more faith in the cagers around him than *I* do." How strange to trust someones driving ability that they don't even know... 2. I can't speak for anyone else, but I definately know what it's like to have and express freedom. I've been to more countries than I want to list that *don't* have the freedom of expression and the "right" to express them as we do. I agree that some laws, even helmet laws, reeks of "Big Brother", but quite honestly, from what I've seen, ALOT of idiots NEED Big Brother to take care of them. Their careless disregard for life and the safety of others create a threat to me, my fellow riders and everyone around them. The REASON that laws are enacted are because someone somewhere PERCEIVES there is a threat to society. We have only ourselves to blame for that personna. I still believe that one should have the right to decide, however everytime I see some squid racing down the street on some crotch rocket with no shirt, swimming trunks and no shoes, it certainly doesn't convince anyone that we can police ourselves. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 3 12:03:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29681; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25089 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10671 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:03:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gerry-s-pc (207-172-144-146.s19.as2.fdk.erols.com [207.172.144.146]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA06098; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980703160343.006827d4@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: gerrymc@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 12:03:43 -0400 To: aki.damme@XXXXXX, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX From: Gerry McMahon Subject: Re: Sorry to stir up trouble. Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 09:47 AM 7/3/98 -0400, aki.damme@XXXXXX wrote: >blame for that personna. I still believe that one should have >the right to decide, however everytime I see some squid racing >down the street on some crotch rocket with no shirt, swimming >trunks and no shoes, it certainly doesn't convince anyone that >we can police ourselves. > Hello, You forgot to mention the full face helmet he's wearing with his shorts and dock siders. However, my perception has changed alot over the last two years. When I started riding I wore a full face all the time and would challenge anyone to dis me about it. It was my choice and it is about freedom of choice after all. Then I switched to a half helmet for summer riding and used the full for cold weather only ... altho from time to time I wish I had the ff in a driving rain. This past June I went to Akron with some friends for a convention and tried a lid free existence for the weekend and really loved it. I was willing to accept the risk. Just like the dude and his pillion in matching ff helmets, tank tops, shorts and dock siders. I ride in jeans with boots, only ... but again this is my choice, after all how many squids are putting any real mileage on. One of my co-workers doesn't ride in the rain and can't ride for much more than an hour on his crotch rocket before his crotch goes numb. As a reference the trip to Akron was 10 hours going and 8 coming back ... lots more rain on the way there. Peace, Gerry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 3 20:38:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA03651; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 20:38:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA04756 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 20:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA18933 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 20:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA05173 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 20:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leon-at-home (cust013.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.13]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA12490 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 20:38:12 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980704003609.00692f34@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 20:36:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Friday Ride (long) Kirk was nice enough to attempt to call me and let me know that the ride today left at 7:30 AM from the rest stop at Manassas instead of 9:00. Six of us left (Kirk, Craig, Glenn, Bruce, Tom and I), to my knowlege, all made it back safely. I returned home at 7:00 PM with 469 miles (Avg speed - 42.) The average speed highlights what was different about this ride from my usual rides. This ride was a roller coaster, I usually take the express train. We left Manassas just before 8AM, and stayed on 66 and 81 all the way to Harrisonburg. Ok, this is normal, but I really didn't need the extra stops. From there we went south on 42 to 250. On 42 just south of Harrisonburg, there is a 25 mph S-curve. That's where I found out that this wasn't another poker run. I made the mistake of staying in formation on that first curve, and got a big surprise. Ok, now I understand, these guys slow down for straights and just stay in it on the corners. I backed off a few hundred feet and rode my own ride after that. I don't know how slow I was, this was my first ride with these guys. They slowed way down in the straights so I could see them before the next set of corners, I did the same for the only bike that was behind me. We stopped again in Monterey, and then rode to Elkins for lunch. At lunch, I looked at the map and saw that there was a road that appeared to be about the same length as 33 but went through a couple of little towns and past Spruce Knob (highest point in WV at 4861 ft) I mentioned this, and a lady who said she worked for the Forest Service overheard, came over and told us how nice it was at the observation tower. Then she mentioned that the road to get up there was gravel. Now I'm hooked. I wasn't able to talk anyone else into this route, so I asked them to wait for me at Franklin for 30 minutes. I took off a few minutes ahead of everyone else after lunch. >From her description, I figured that there would perhaps be as much as 20 miles of gravel, instead there was 30. It's a well maintained road, Coming from the north, it winds along a pretty little creek, there were lots of campers, then it went up over the ridge line, the switch-backs had some erosion in them but otherwise it was in good shape. About halfway down the mountain it turned back to pavement, cool, more switchbacks, but these were paved. When I finally got to Franklin, we were down to 5 riders; now I was tail-end charlie. US33 is a really nice motorcycle road. The section of road where it crosses between WV and VA was very good road. WV knows how to put caution signs to give an indication of how tight the turn is; VA just marks everything at 25mph. The Ninja 250 could use a bit more power, sometimes I would roll on the throttle before the guy two bikes ahead of me, and still not make the pass. I couldn't tell which of the other bikes had the most power; I don't think any of them ever hit WFO. I did hear the Hawk and the TL a couple of times, but only because none of the other bikes made any noise at all. At Harrisonburg, we got back on 81 and went north to 211. By going that way, we missed a really big barn fire, but that was probably a good thing. Then we made another stop in New Market. The rider that left earlier went by but didn't see us. At Washington, VA, we took a neat little road that isn't on my map, it goes from Washington to Flint Hill, at Flint Hill the others went up 522, but I continued on 647. Everyone else caught up to me on I66 at about the Prince William County Line. It was a good day, if the others will put up with me, I'd like to do it again sometime. Leon Begeman (703) 590-9073 13391 Packard Dr., Dale City, VA 22193 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 3 21:50:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03960; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 21:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA05097 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 21:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19403 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 21:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA05326 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 21:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.70] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2630 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA00211; Fri, 03 Jul 1998 21:50:46 -0400 Message-ID: <359D434C.F5FBC572@anent.com> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 21:47:08 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friday Ride (long) References: <1.5.4.32.19980704003609.00692f34@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It would be nice for you to join us again I think that would be great. Craig Leon Begeman wrote: > It was a good day, if the others will put up with me, I'd like to do it > again sometime. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 3 22:10:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04190; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:10:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05208 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ice.clark.net (known ice.clark.net [168.143.0.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA19545 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by ice.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA22209 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:11:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA09377 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807040210.WAA09377@shell.clark.net> Subject: The other Friday Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:10:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sounds like the folks who went to WV had a great ride. Ours was a little tamer. About 15 people met at the parking lot of Cycle Sports in Springfield. I forgot to make a roll sheet, and rather than insult people by leaving them off, I won't name anyone. :-) The hardest part was getting out of the parking lot, as there are some lights that tried to break us up right away. But we managed to re-group about 3/10th of a mile later. Mike Jordan later volunteered to ride tail, since I could see his orange helmet clearly (Thanks Mike!) The first two legs of the trip were pretty tame, taking back roads to and from Rt. 50, to get out West. There was some excitement in an "S" curve with gravel in it, my front wheel did a little shake that set my heart fluttering a bit, but everyone made it through. Due to time constraints, several people had to leave by the time we hit Strasburg. Which was too bad, because this is where the fun came in. Soon after leaving Strasburg, we turned onto a side road. A few miles later, headlights started disappearing from my mirrors. After I turned around, I caught up with everyone. Found out later that one guy dropped his bike in some gravel, about 5 mph. Smashed a mirror, and had a few scrapes on his wrist, but otherwise fine. We then soon turned onto 600 - Zepp Rd. The switchbacks going up was a blast. There was only one place where there was a significant gap in trees on the side of the road, and the one guy with inner ear problems said he was able to barely handle it. Then we barreled down and around on Black Mountain Rd. A few more folks left at the next stop, and we were down to 5. We made it to Purceville with no problems. Stopped and split a large Mushroom Pizza and chatted for a while. By the time I rolled into my apartment, I had 224 miles on the odometer. A nice short ride. *Grin* If I had to do it over again, I probably would have split the group in half, as there were a lot of problems at the beginning, but after the first few turns, everyone seemed to work well. Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/~louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 VCOM | 7th Place, Capitol 1000 louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 3 22:15:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04269; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05236 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA19581 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm1-08.dial.nova.org (pm1-08.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.136]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA05556 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:14:53 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friday Ride (long) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 02:15:51 GMT Message-ID: <35b68a0f.815926702@mailgate.nova.org> References: <1.5.4.32.19980704003609.00692f34@illuminet.net> In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980704003609.00692f34@illuminet.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the ride report, Leon. This must be a fairly serious group of computer geeks as all of us but Glenn have sent messages about the ride (some just to the other riders in the group). :) I found out a few things today:=20 * remember to go slower on bumpy corners, I hit a good bump with my centerstand or something and it took the back wheel off the ground (or at least unweighted it) - scary, to say the least * leading a ride of quick guys can be stressful (particularly when combined with 2 hours of sleep the night before and insufficient liquid intake - my camelbak was sitting in the fridge at home) - I'll need to mix up rider leadership duties on the weekend trip we're planning so I don't get mentally cooked, I should point out that Glenn and Craig did lead at times as well * it's easier to ride your own ride when you're by far the fastest rider in the group, I wasn't today - I may have taken things a notch or two higher than I might have if I were the only quickish rider in the group - I need to think of this ahead of time next time and do a better job of keeping from riding faster than ought to be done on the road * it's easier to follow on a road you don't know well than it is to lead All in all it was a good group to ride with and I think everyone had a good time. Here's the bike rundown: Kirk - Hawk GT Craig - TL-S Bruce - VFR800 Tom - ZX11 Glenn - Magna 500 Leon - Ninja 250 >Kirk was nice enough to attempt to call me and let me know that the ride >today left at 7:30 AM from the rest stop at Manassas instead of 9:00. Hey, I didn't just attempt, I succeeded! >I returned home at 7:00 PM with 469 miles (Avg speed - 42.) I beat Leon's mileage... I beat Leon's mileage... I ended up with 515.89 miles. I didn't check the average speed. >On 42 just south of Harrisonburg, there is a 25 mph S-curve. =20 >That's where I found out that this wasn't another poker run. =20 >I made the mistake of staying in formation on that first curve,=20 >and got a big surprise. Ok, now I understand, these guys slow=20 >down for straights and just stay in it on the corners. I backed=20 >off a few hundred feet and rode my own ride after that. =20 That is usually my pattern (although I did break from the pattern later in the ride...). It allows a reasonably varied group to, mostly, ride together. I guess we should've given you more of a hint of what to expect... Glenn was leading at this point and the Magna 500 as a rider leader may not set off your "we're going pretty hot into this corner" light as quickly as it ought to. I'm impressed everytime I ride with Glenn. He's very quiet on the bike and it just gets around the corners without any apparent effort. Also impressive is Tom's handling of that gorilla ZX11. I'm not so sure I like the idea of either of these guys getting more tight corner oriented bikes... I may not see them on rides anymore (they'll be in front of me, out of view). >I don't know how slow I was, this was my first ride with these guys. We didn't have to wait too long. I'd say you were just fine. >I did hear the Hawk and the TL a couple of times, but only because=20 >none of the other bikes made any noise at all. Unfortunately, you heard the Hawk blowing the base gasket on the front cylinder (at least it's leaking oil from there now - gotta stop attempting to out accelerate the TL - it's a lost cause with half the horsepower). >It was a good day, if the others will put up with me, I'd like to do it >again sometime. Absolutely! Thanks again guys. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 3 23:16:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04732; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 23:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05504 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 23:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20390 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 23:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA23264 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 23:16:30 -0400 (EDT) From: adl64@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Subject: Re: The other Friday Ride Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 03:20:03 GMT Message-ID: <359f9c94.16430734@relay.mnsinc.com> References: <199807040210.WAA09377@shell.clark.net> In-Reply-To: <199807040210.WAA09377@shell.clark.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:10:28 -0400 (EDT), "Louis F. Caplan" wrote: >The hardest part was getting out of the parking lot, as there are some=20 >lights that tried to break us up right away. =20 Actually, I think the hardest part was actually finding Cycle Sport! I forgot how convoluted Springfield can be! Wish I had gotten there early enough to check out the bikes on the dealership floor... maybe next time. >There was some excitement in an "S" curve with gravel in it, my front >wheel did a little shake that set my heart fluttering a bit, but >everyone made it through. Not sure if I'm thinking of the same curve, but there was one particularly tricky one that wasn't marked with a warning sign. Definitely took me by surprise, but I got through it okay. >Found out later that one guy dropped >his bike in some gravel, about 5 mph. Smashed a mirror, and had a few >scrapes on his wrist, but otherwise fine. =20 Leslie essentially tried to use his Katana 750 as a lawn mower after sliding the rear wheel on a bit of gravel. As Louis said, minor damage to bike and rider (he was going pretty slow at the time). Kind of scary to watch, very glad it wasn't a serious fall. Humorous part - when he started up the bike a cloud of grass flew out of the fairing. >By the time I rolled into my apartment, I had 224 miles on the odometer. >A nice short ride. *Grin* =20 I think I was about 250 for the day... my bike is definitely ready for the 500 mile service now (with 740 on the odometer). I'll probably just park it until it goes into the shop. The riding position is going to take some getting used to, but overall I'm very happy with it. Almost broken in! Anyhow, thanks to Louis for leading such a nice ride! Anita '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 3 23:41:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA04980; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 23:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05615 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 23:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA20817 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 23:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3HBQHXVR>; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 23:22:28 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C404886368@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Friday Ride (long) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 23:22:22 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) OK, I'll post! Great ride once again. All I can say and damn you guys are fast. Every time I think I'm doing well in the really tight twisties Kirk, Craig, and Tom would just leave me in the dust. Seriously though, you can handle those machines damn well. I don't know if I had a better bike if I could keep up with you guys! I was surprised how well Leon was doing on that 250! On some of those passes he was right there with me! Bruce! You shouldn't have left. You missed more great riding. While we were in New Market (at the Amoco) we saw you ride by. One thing I can say is that I have worn a whole lot more of the sides of my (rear) tire then I ever have before! If only I could get a larger tire on the rear! Thanx again all, as usual it was a fantastic ride. Lets do it again soon. Speaking of soon Craig and I will be meeting at the Leesburg Amoco @ 10:30 tomorrow for about a 4 hour ride. Pace will be brisk. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Thanks for the ride report, Leon. This must be a fairly serious group > of computer geeks as all of us but Glenn have sent messages about the > ride (some just to the other riders in the group). :) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 4 01:00:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA05796; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 01:00:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07541 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 00:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm02sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm02sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA21559 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 00:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr49-dialup27.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) with SMTP id <0EVK00BGX0IU9C@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 04:59:20 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 00:57:49 -0700 From: Jon Schumer Subject: Re: Friday Ride (long) To: "'DC Cycles'" Message-id: <000e01bda721$715e3280$1b4f37a6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Man, you guys(and ladies) are killing me! Every week you all get together and thrash around the mountains, but every time I've not been able to make it, for one reason or another. I need to ride! Anyone riding Sun.? At this point, I don't care what pace(preferably fast), where, or what time. I'm riding Sun.. Anyone interested? My bike is begging me to........ ===================== Jon Schumer dawn.jon@XXXXXX ICQ# 11193913 ===================== -----Original Message----- From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN To: 'DC Cycles' Date: Friday, July 03, 1998 8:52 PM Subject: RE: Friday Ride (long) >OK, I'll post! Great ride once again. All I can say and damn you guys are >fast. Every time I think I'm doing well in the really tight twisties Kirk, >Craig, and Tom would just leave me in the dust. Seriously though, you can >handle those machines damn well. I don't know if I had a better bike if I >could keep up with you guys! I was surprised how well Leon was doing on >that 250! On some of those passes he was right there with me! > >Bruce! You shouldn't have left. You missed more great riding. While we >were in New Market (at the Amoco) we saw you ride by. > >One thing I can say is that I have worn a whole lot more of the sides of my >(rear) tire then I ever have before! If only I could get a larger tire on >the rear! > >Thanx again all, as usual it was a fantastic ride. Lets do it again soon. > >Speaking of soon Craig and I will be meeting at the Leesburg Amoco @ 10:30 >tomorrow for about a 4 hour ride. Pace will be brisk. > >Glenn Dysart >dysart@XXXXXX > >84 V30 Magna > > >> Thanks for the ride report, Leon. This must be a fairly serious group >> of computer geeks as all of us but Glenn have sent messages about the >> ride (some just to the other riders in the group). :) >> >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 4 03:35:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA06816; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 03:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA08311 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 03:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA22657 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 03:34:46 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id EYOAa11436; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 03:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1233b25e.359ddace@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 03:33:32 EDT To: louis@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The other Friday Ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 It was truly a great ride! A bit more of a challenge than my first ride with the group, but definitely a learning experience. From seeing one bike wipe out (fortunately minor damage was all that was done) to nearly wiping out myself on a tight downhill turn (I ended up just slowing and riding onto the shoulder to recover), I've learned to take on a slower pace in the turns. Besides, a 15 year old Shadow doesn't need to keep up with the youngins! :) All in all a great ride. When I got home, I found I put almost 500 miles on mine today!! I'll have to get some Poker run sheets for something in my neck of the woods! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 "Black Wolf" 85 Nighthawk 450 "Black Sheep" (still for sale!!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 4 11:24:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08348; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12117 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (known smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25693 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-112-213.s213.tnt4.ann.erols.com [207.172.112.213]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08854; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <359E484C.99FBD72A@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 11:20:44 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX CC: aki.damme@XXXXXX, dipaula@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX, knee@XXXXXX, pellaz@XXXXXX, ph@XXXXXX, swaters@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sorry to stir up trouble.(was Re: Helmet safety issue) References: <47aa945.359c7c4b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As much as I tell myself to just let this one slide, alas, I'm too young to have that wisdom yet :) It's these kind of petty battles that make groups like ABATE and the AMA lose membership and in effect, lose the ability to make a strong fight when the big issues hit. The NRA is the same way...They made such a fool of themselves arguing over a 5 day waiting period that no one takes them nearly as seriously as they used to. So now that some real nasty Clinton nazism type laws are trying to get pushed through to get rid of guns totally, the NRA just isn't the force it used to be and we may be stuck with what we get. ABATE and AMA are headed the same way. I think both organizations are very worthy and do some very good things, but sometimes you have to step back and look at the overall issues. No matter what the numbers say, Joe Public thinks helmets make motorcyclists safer. (and from a lot of time spent hitting the ground while riding/racing I agree) If the AMA and ABATE were to back off a little on this issue, then they will maintain a lot more credibility in the public's eye, and have the strenght tho fight the real battles. Nomex suit on..... Collin -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 4 13:55:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09309; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 13:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13311 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 13:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27348 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 13:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.55] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2630 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA01039 for ; Sat, 04 Jul 1998 13:55:30 -0400 Message-ID: <005f01bda774$a16d9440$3773c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Friday Ride (long) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 13:53:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I'll repost this to the list for everyones benefit: Whew! Hey everybody! Thanks alot for a great ride! I had a really good time. Rt 250 was a little overwhelming, Wow! (just when you start to think you're doing good a new challenge jumps up to smack you in the face) :) After I left the group in Franklin a bee hit and stung me on the side of the throat, VERY PAINFUL. Still -very- sore. Other than that I had a great ride home. 33-81-211-522-647-? to Atoka-611-690-7. Left home at 6:45am, got home at 6:20pm, 475.5 miles total for the day. The new Corbin is very nice, I felt like I could have ridden further. But not too much further. |) Thanks again everyone! Bruce From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 4 18:12:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10677; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 18:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15661 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 18:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA29676 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 18:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.63] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2630 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA01337; Sat, 04 Jul 1998 18:12:37 -0400 Message-ID: <359E61D0.E34556A1@anent.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 18:09:36 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Friday Ride (long) commentary References: <1.5.4.32.19980704003609.00692f34@illuminet.net> <35b68a0f.815926702@mailgate.nova.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirk Roy wrote: > Thanks for the ride report, Leon. This must be a fairly serious group > of computer geeks as all of us but Glenn have sent messages about the > ride (some just to the other riders in the group). :) > I like to think of it more as an alternative communications device , without having to say a word. > I found out a few things today: > * remember to go slower on bumpy corners, I hit a good bump with > my centerstand or something and it took the back wheel off the > ground (or at least unweighted it) - scary, to say the least Hummm......someone onnce told me they dont grind parts ;~) > * leading a ride of quick guys can be stressful Espically when they dont disappear from the mirror...hee hheee heeeee :~) > and insufficient liquid intake - my camelbak was sitting in the > fridge at home) Mine was in the freezer waiting for release ;~( > - I'll need to mix up rider leadership duties > on the weekend trip we're planning so I don't get mentally > cooked, I should point out that Glenn and Craig did lead at > times as well we all need to share this more on all the rides...no free rides.. a > * it's easier to ride your own ride when you're by far the > fastest rider in the group, I wasn't today Told you I was humble > - I may have > taken things a notch or two higher than I might have if I > were the only quickish rider in the group - I need to think > of this ahead of time next time and do a better job of > keeping from riding faster than ought to be done on the road Kirk I really enjoyed your pace and found it to be most comfortable and relaxing aaahhh > * it's easier to follow on a road you don't know well than it > is to lead Next time even if I dont know the road I will lead for awhile > > > All in all it was a good group to ride with and I think everyone had a > good time. GGGrrreeeaattt time cant wait for the next one > > > Here's the bike rundown: > Kirk - Hawk GT > Craig - TL-S > Bruce - VFR800 > Tom - ZX11 > Glenn - Magna 500 > Leon - Ninja 250 > > >I returned home at 7:00 PM with 469 miles (Avg speed - 42.) > > I beat Leon's mileage... I beat Leon's mileage... I ended up with > 515.89 miles. I didn't check the average speed. I too had a lot of miles 484..no avg speed > >On 42 just south of Harrisonburg, there is a 25 mph S-curve. > >That's where I found out that this wasn't another poker run. > >I made the mistake of staying in formation on that first curve, > >and got a big surprise. Ok, now I understand, these guys slow > >down for straights and just stay in it on the corners. I backed > >off a few hundred feet and rode my own ride after that. > > That is usually my pattern (although I did break from the pattern > later in the ride...). It allows a reasonably varied group to, mostly, > ride together. I guess we should've given you more of a hint of what > to expect... Glenn was leading at this point and the Magna 500 as a > rider leader may not set off your "we're going pretty hot into this > corner" light as quickly as it ought to. I'm impressed everytime I > ride with Glenn. He's very quiet on the bike and it just gets around > the corners without any apparent effort. Also impressive is Tom's > handling of that gorilla ZX11. I'm not so sure I like the idea of > either of these guys getting more tight corner oriented bikes... I may > not see them on rides anymore (they'll be in front of me, out of > view). > I dont know about that Kirk , you are one FAST , Cool , Smooth character. > >I don't know how slow I was, this was my first ride with these guys. > > We didn't have to wait too long. I'd say you were just fine. > Just fine indeed..worth having on more of these thats for sure , espically now since he knows how we ride......~-~--fast~~~~~ > >I did hear the Hawk and the TL a couple of times, but only because > >none of the other bikes made any noise at all. > > Unfortunately, you heard the Hawk blowing the base gasket on the front > cylinder (at least it's leaking oil from there now - gotta stop > attempting to out accelerate the TL - it's a lost cause with half the > horsepower). > Good thing I didn't gag it huh > >It was a good day, if the others will put up with me, I'd like to do it > >again sometime. > > Absolutely! > Please feel welcome anytime I enjoyed your company Leon > Thanks again guys. > > Kirk No, thank you Kirk for putting up with my headlight Tom for his discretion Glenn for his overall knowledge of "ALL" the roads Bruce for his wisdom And Leon for his creativity Had the most fun on this ride than any other I have been on all Year Thanks again guys. Craig From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 4 23:06:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA12040; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 23:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA18411 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 23:06:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (known out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA01806 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 23:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sergiom (slip166-72-74-107.dc.us.ibm.net [166.72.74.107]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA38184 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 03:06:14 GMT Message-ID: <359EEE38.39D7@ibm.net> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 23:08:40 -0400 From: Sergio G Meresman X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: subscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subscribe I am interested in subscribing your list for buying and selling motorbikes. Thanks From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 5 00:50:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA12827; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20092 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA02620 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA07532; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:46:34 -0400 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:44:27 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: My First Wheelie!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F27FA@MSCEX> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > ANY bike can wheelie..just some more graceful than others. he he he Anyone else see that issue of _SuperBike_ when the tester wheelied a Beemer K1100T?A full-dress tourer doing the unicycle thing. Scary. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 5 00:58:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA12848; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20137 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA02666 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA07558; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:55:02 -0400 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:47:42 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Clinton Cycles.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DC9@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I can't speak about the mechanics on the Clinton side,but I'm not too impressed with the guys from the Harley side.And the salesmen on both sides are hosers.They seem to have a knack for finding ultra-clean/ultra-low mileage bikes,but then they want premium prices for them.They had an '82 FT Ascot w/only 850miles on it,but they wanted $3.5k!Did you see the '87 VFR they got there now?Totally restored and only like 1.1k miles.But no way would I drop $4.9k on it. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 5 01:04:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA12876; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 01:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA20254 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 01:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA02737 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 01:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA21029; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 01:02:43 -0400 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 01:02:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: sbeck@XXXXXX cc: cfagan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Lightning or Ya gotta be careful in this weather In-Reply-To: <85256632.00675397.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For my part, I miss both her point of view and her wit. This list is the worse for her absence. --garcia On Mon, 29 Jun 1998 sbeck@XXXXXX wrote: > > Too bad Squeeker ain't still lurking around......She'd probably try to > claim that the helmet attracted the lightning... > > >From what I remember of her posts, it seemed like she was probably already > a victim of several lightning strikes. She didn't seem to have a lot of > "still functional" grey matter under her horns. 8-) > > Steve > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 5 01:06:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA12907; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 01:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA20280 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 01:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA02760 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 01:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA07788; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 01:02:18 -0400 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:55:15 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: VA Beach trip and Harley pilot's To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <01BDA5FE.E8580240.zellto@mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, Thomas W.Zell wrote: (snip) > But not the Harley dudes... I > could just about be yelling at them and they still ignore me... Why? Why do you care about people waving back?Big deal.I've had lots of people on different machines not wave.There's also people I walk past every day on the way home from work that don't say 'good morning'.No skin off my nose. > Can > any Harley folks out there please explain this to me? You prolly weren't doing the wave right.I could show you the proper way,but then you'd either have to get a Harley,or I'd have to kill you. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 5 05:37:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA13890; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 05:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA21322 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 05:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA04490 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 05:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA08554; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 05:34:06 -0400 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 05:31:17 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Lightning or Ya gotta be careful in this weather To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 5 Jul 1998, Garcia Oliver wrote: > For my part, I miss both her point of view and her wit. This list is the > worse for her absence. Plate of shrimp.I just talked to her over e-mail last week.Told her she needs to come back to the list and teach the new girls how to keep us menfolk in line. ;-) You should drop her a line and tell her she's missed. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 5 05:42:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA13913; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 05:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA21360 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 05:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id FAA04523 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 05:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA08574; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 05:38:46 -0400 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 05:34:27 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Two Sides? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey all, I don't get around to seeing as many races as I'd like,but I just got done watching the World Superbike at Nurbering.I noticed the RC45's were wearing two-sided swingarms.When/why did they get rid of the mono 'arms? The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 5 07:27:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA14102; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 07:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA21762 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 07:27:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA04992 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 07:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm1-14.dial.nova.org (pm1-14.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.142]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id HAA20063 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 07:27:22 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Two Sides? Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 11:28:47 GMT Message-ID: <35a762e1.936986503@mailgate.nova.org> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 5 Jul 1998 05:34:27 +45722824 (EDT), "Gil M. Nissley" wrote: > I don't get around to seeing as many races as I'd like,but I >just got done watching the World Superbike at Nurbering.I noticed >the RC45's were wearing two-sided swingarms.When/why did they get >rid of the mono 'arms? This is purely conjecture but I would bet it was to lose some weight. I haven't been alert enough when watching the races to notice things like that... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 5 10:38:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14632; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 10:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22198 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 10:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05885 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 10:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 0302104396168270 (usr17-dialup52.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0EVM0029MM08ZM@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 14:38:34 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 10:35:50 -0700 From: Dawn & Jon Subject: Re: Two Sides? To: DC Cycle Club Message-id: <002201bda83b$5b555de0$344737a6@0302104396168270> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 I think they converted from the single sided swing arm near the end of last years season. I think they did it because the single wasn't stiff enough for the amount of weight it had. They also put the exhausts pipes on both sides instead of stacked on top of one another on one side for added ground clearance. I don't see why they changed anything. John Kosinski won the championship last year.........but who am I to question it...... ================================== Jon Schumer dawn.jon@XXXXXX ICQ#11193913 ================================== -----Original Message----- From: Gil M. Nissley To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sunday, July 05, 1998 2:52 AM Subject: Two Sides? > Hey all, > I don't get around to seeing as many races as I'd like,but I >just got done watching the World Superbike at Nurbering.I noticed >the RC45's were wearing two-sided swingarms.When/why did they get >rid of the mono 'arms? > > >The official BuellBoy Genes model. > >gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> > >'98 Fat Boy > >Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 5 10:59:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14722; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 10:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22274 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 10:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06083 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 10:59:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p14dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.46]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA01570; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 10:58:56 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01bda825$82b50680$2ef31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Craig" , "Kirk Roy" Cc: Subject: Re: Friday Ride (long) commentary Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 10:59:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 -----Original Message----- From: Craig To: Kirk Roy Cc: Date: Saturday, July 04, 1998 6:16 PM Subject: Re: Friday Ride (long) commentary > No, thank you Kirk for putting up with my headlight >Tom for his discretion >Glenn for his overall knowledge of "ALL" the roads >Bruce for his wisdom >And Leon for his creativity > >Had the most fun on this ride than any other I have been on all Year >Thanks again guys. >Craig Definitely a great ride which needs to be repeated soon....hopefully I'll be ready: stepped in a hole while moving yesterday and badly sprained my left ankle. I can barely walk right now but will give it some rest this week and hope for enough mobility for a Saturday AM departure from the usual spot. -- Tom Gimer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 5 12:09:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15093; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 12:09:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA22501 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 12:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA06635 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 12:08:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net (user36.anent.com [208.195.115.36]) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2630 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA00000; Sun, 05 Jul 1998 11:48:01 -0400 Message-ID: <004001bda82c$07e4bb60$2473c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" , "Thomas H. Gimer" Subject: Re: Friday Ride (long) commentary Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 11:43:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >>Had the most fun on this ride than any other I have been on all Year >>Thanks again guys. >>Craig I must agree!! > >Definitely a great ride which needs to be repeated soon....hopefully I'll be >ready: stepped in a hole while moving yesterday and badly sprained my left >ankle. I can barely walk right now but will give it some rest this week and >hope for enough mobility for a Saturday AM departure from the usual spot. Damn, that's painful! :( I've done both my ankles at one time or another. Take your time to heal or it will be easier to sprain again. Been there, done that! Bruce (2 weak ankles) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 5 18:36:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA17026; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA26562 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10215 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:34:55 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id FVDEa20768; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2b9d222f.359fff2a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:33:13 EDT To: gnissley@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Clinton Cycles.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 They called about my 85 Nighthawk. They said that is it was in immaculate condition they would give me $900.00 for it!! The bike is worth $1155 in excellent condition according to N.A.D.A!! And they were probably going to try to sell it for $2k or there abouts! Like I said, I used to deal with them, and I was impressed with the mechanics a few years ago. If they're bad now, then things have changed for the worse since I last saw them. They've changed ownership and location a couple times now, so I understand. Bummer. A shame to see a good business go down the crapper. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 85 Nighthawk 450 (still for sale!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 5 19:11:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17174; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26853 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10490 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-112-213.s213.tnt4.ann.erols.com [207.172.112.213]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA28646; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A00751.5EA9D8C@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 19:08:01 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Thomas H. Gimer" CC: Craig , Kirk Roy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: next weekend was Re: Friday Ride (long) commentary References: <001f01bda825$82b50680$2ef31bce@richard> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know a lot of you folks enjoy the riding so much as to never slow down and spectate ;-), but let me be the first to remind everyone that next weekend is a CCS weekend out at Summit Point. I've got all the bodywork on the racebike and a WER steering damper mounted, so I should be ready to blast around the track for my three races. Anyone out there look for me on the gold/brown 97 GSXR (96 bodywork) competition number 210. Feel free to stop in the pit and enjoy a cold drink and plenty of BS :) Collin Thomas H. Gimer wrote: > I can barely walk right now but will give it some rest this week and > hope for enough mobility for a Saturday AM departure from the usual spot. > > -- > Tom Gimer -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 5 19:22:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17238; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26915 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10584 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA13054 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A03539.2789@mnsinc.com> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 19:23:53 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Tues/Wed Ride ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gang, Anyone up for it? I have the week off and both days look promising, albeit a tad warm. On Saturday I'm going to Summit Point to watch Brain and Collin (you guys'll be there, right?), so the West Side Gang Double Yellow Mofo will have to wait until the following weekend. JK -- John Kozyn "Nihil humani a me alienum puto" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 5 19:32:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17289; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26996 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10683 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:31:24 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WTGVa26052 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1328a963.35a00c99@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:30:32 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Tues/Wed Ride ? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 I may be up for it, what did you have in mind? Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 5 21:40:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA18965; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 21:40:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27438 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 21:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13801 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 21:39:05 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id RJMZa20768; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 21:37:59 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <186a00b7.35a02a78@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 21:37:59 EDT To: jckozyn@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, WantAZX6@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Tues/Wed Ride ? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Im off both tuesday and wednesday. I am getting my new leathers(new to me) on tuessday and would love to get them on and try em out. not if its gonna be too hot though. Anyway, Im in the annapolis area, so let me know, and I'll try to make it. Sean 98 TL-R From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 5 23:09:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19533; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA27931 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14750 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA11387; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:05:00 -0400 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:01:41 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Two Sides? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35a762e1.936986503@mailgate.nova.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 5 Jul 1998, Kirk Roy wrote: > This is purely conjecture but I would bet it was to lose some weight. > I haven't been alert enough when watching the races to notice things > like that... I noticed cause that's how I identifiy the bikes.I used to know all the teams by color,but now I go by things like placement of the air intakes and mufflers. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 5 23:18:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19565; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA27969 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:17:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14830 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA11428; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:13:54 -0400 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:05:57 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Tues/Wed Ride ? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35A03539.2789@mnsinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 5 Jul 1998, John C. Kozyn wrote: > Anyone up for it? I have the week off and both days look promising, I work both jobs on Tues,but I should be able to make Wed.I just got my gel pad and would love to try it out. Hopefully the weather will be good.Looks like a chance of T-storms from Tues on.FYI everyone,if you want to keep tabs on the weather,book- mark the URL http://www.weather.com/weather/us/cities/DC_Washington.html. It's the Weather Channel's page for the DC area.Gives a five-day forcast plus has doppeler weather maps. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 5 23:24:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19593; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28010 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA14886 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:23:14 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WETWa11469 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:20:53 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <76e14502.35a04296@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:20:53 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Tues/Wed Ride ? , Sean! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-07-05 21:37:59 EDT, you write: << Im off both tuesday and wednesday. I am getting my new leathers(new to me) on tuessday and would love to get them on and try em out. not if its gonna be too hot though. Anyway, Im in the annapolis area, so let me know, and I'll try to make it. >> Please come because Im dying to see a TLR run. Maybe we can run my S next to your R and see where the power diffs are? Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 01:22:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA20967; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA29633 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA16117 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:21:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA24212; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:15:45 -0400 Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:15:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: NJitzul@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Clinton Cycles.. In-Reply-To: <2b9d222f.359fff2a@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ok, take a deep breath.... If the Blue Book value of this bike is $1155, that is its full retail value. I doubt that they can pay the rent and staff if they buy at Blue Book. What do you think they should pay for it? But that brings up another possibility: have you considered having them sell it for you on consignment? --garcia On Sun, 5 Jul 1998 NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > They called about my 85 Nighthawk. They said that is it was in immaculate > condition they would give me $900.00 for it!! The bike is worth $1155 in > excellent condition according to N.A.D.A!! And they were probably going to try > to sell it for $2k or there abouts! Like I said, I used to deal with them, and > I was impressed with the mechanics a few years ago. If they're bad now, then > things have changed for the worse since I last saw them. They've changed > ownership and location a couple times now, so I understand. Bummer. A shame to > see a good business go down the crapper. > > Robert VanSlyke > 83 Shadow 750 > 85 Nighthawk 450 (still for sale!) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 01:50:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA21067; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA29742 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (known imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA16377 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:49:40 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id GFBQa08111; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:48:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3986a0ef.35a0651e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:48:12 EDT To: garicao@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: selling my bike (was RE: Clinton Cycles) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 I'm asking $1,000 and expecting somewhere around $850-900. I've had 2 dealers (Twigg Cycles and Dutrow's Honda) tell me to ask $1,400 and expect around $1,000. Nobody called when I was asking for $1,400. I've gotten a few interested calls when I lowered the asking price to $1,000. I paid $1150 for it 5 years ago. It was in slightly better shape then (the tank rusted out 2 winters ago and I replaced it with a used one that doesn't match the paint, but had it sealed so it wouldn't rust). The max value given in the book was $1155 with the average around $990. I'm just trying to get the bike sold. I've put some money into and hate to take too big a loss and it still has low miles (around 16,000). It would cost me around $300+ to bring the bike up to immaculate condition. It's no showroom beauty, but it runs very well. Am I asking too much? What do you think I should do? And finally, how does consignment work? Thanks in advance! Robert "never sold a bike before" VanSlyke From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 04:42:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA22179; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 04:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA01090 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 04:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id EAA18094 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 04:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA13488; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 04:38:05 -0400 Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 04:26:33 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: selling my bike (was RE: Clinton Cycles) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3986a0ef.35a0651e@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Jul 1998 NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > I paid $1150 for > it 5 years ago. It was in slightly better shape then (the tank rusted out 2 > winters ago and I replaced it with a used one that doesn't match the paint, > but had it sealed so it wouldn't rust). The max value given in the book was > $1155 with the average around $990. I'm just trying to get the bike sold. I've > put some money into and hate to take too big a loss and it still has low miles > (around 16,000). > It's no showroom beauty, but it runs very well. Am I > asking too much? What do you think I should do? I think you should take what you can get for it.If you get $850 you're losing what,$300(cost of repairs don't count)?That's not a bad loss. I paid $13k for my S2 and got $9k trade-in for it a year later.Count yourself lucky. > And finally, how does > consignment work? Thanks in advance! The dealer puts your bike on their showroom floor and sells it for you.Then they get a cut when it sells. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 07:07:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA22707; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 07:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA02084 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 07:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA19065 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 07:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3MJYXY6H>; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 07:04:39 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C40488636D@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Gil M. Nissley'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Weather, was Tues/Wed Ride ? Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 07:04:29 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) I've used that site before but find its never accurate. I know the weather forecasters usually suck around here but that one is never right. I've had much better luck using Channel 4's page (http://wxnet4.nbc4.com/home.html). Also there is a link there to Intellicast radar of the area as far west as OH and KY, south as far as SC, and north to southern NY (http://www.intellicast.com/weather/dca/radar/). I usually check this before going on a long ride. Its by far the clearest I've seen on the net. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Hopefully the weather will be good.Looks like a chance of T-storms > from Tues on.FYI everyone,if you want to keep tabs on the weather,book- > mark the URL http://www.weather.com/weather/us/cities/DC_Washington.html. > It's the Weather Channel's page for the DC area.Gives a five-day forcast > plus has doppeler weather maps. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 08:07:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA23113; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 08:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA02932 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 08:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA19636 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 08:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807061207.IAA19636@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ADE7F10176; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 08:07:03 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 07:59:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Sorry to stir up trouble.(was Re: Helmet safety issue) In-Reply-To: <359E484C.99FBD72A@geocities.com> References: <47aa945.359c7c4b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:20 AM 7/4/98 -0400, Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: >It's these kind of petty battles that make groups like ABATE and the AMA >lose membership and in effect, lose the ability to make a strong fight >when the big issues hit. ... >No matter what the numbers say, Joe Public thinks helmets make >motorcyclists safer. (and from a lot of time spent hitting the ground >while riding/racing I agree) If the AMA and ABATE were to back off a >little on this issue, then they will maintain a lot more credibility in >the public's eye, and have the strenght tho fight the real battles. > >Nomex suit on..... I think you're right, and I also think there's no good answer but to continue to duke it out. I know motorcyclists who think it's crazy to ride without a helmet. I know car drivers who think it's crazy to ride at all. So who's right? If helmet-less is too much risk for some, and car-less is too much risk for others, where do you draw the line? The only reasonable answer, I think, is for the individual to make his/her own choice, preferably an educated choice. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 09:38:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24219; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05280 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (known usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21284 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:29:41 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 06 Jul 1998 09:23:02 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 06 Jul 1998 09:23:02 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 008E035A0CFB6051-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 008E035A0CFB6051 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <008E035A0CFB6051*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 06 Jul 1998 09:23:02 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: "garicao@XXXXXX" (IPM Return requested), "NJitzul@XXXXXX" (IPM Return requested) cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" (IPM Return requested) Subject: RE: selling my bike (was RE: Clinton Cycles) Message-Id: <008E035A0CFB6051*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> You said: > They called about my 85 Nighthawk. They said that is it was in immaculate > condition they would give me $900.00 for it!! Why not just take it there and drop it off. You get the cash without the hassles of people calling up asking questions and then no-showing when they are supposed to come look at it. Plus selling it for that price isn't a loss, its a gain of $900, right now you have $0. ---------- From: NJitzul@XXXXXX[SMTP:NJitzul@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 06, 1998 2:06 AM To: garicao@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: selling my bike (was RE: Clinton Cycles) I'm asking $1,000 and expecting somewhere around $850-900. I've had 2 dealers (Twigg Cycles and Dutrow's Honda) tell me to ask $1,400 and expect around $1,000. Nobody called when I was asking for $1,400. I've gotten a few interested calls when I lowered the asking price to $1,000. I paid $1150 for it 5 years ago. It was in slightly better shape then (the tank rusted out 2 winters ago and I replaced it with a used one that doesn't match the paint, but had it sealed so it wouldn't rust). The max value given in the book was $1155 with the average around $990. I'm just trying to get the bike sold. I've put some money into and hate to take too big a loss and it still has low miles (around 16,000). It would cost me around $300+ to bring the bike up to immaculate condition. It's no showroom beauty, but it runs very well. Am I asking too much? What do you think I should do? And finally, how does consignment work? Thanks in advance! Robert "never sold a bike before" VanSlyke From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 09:44:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24320; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05364 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:44:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21430 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:44:39 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DDC@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: My VFR.. Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:42:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Heh.. I musta been long overdue for a good streetbike.. since I got my VFR running last Wed. I've put over 1,300 miles on it - not nearly as impressive as the ironbutters who are doing just shy of that in a day.. but considering that I've been out of the saddle (really, the XT doesn't count!) since Feb. - and I just took a weekend trip to upstate NY - I'd consider myself sitting pretty. I must say though, that VFR is deadly comfortable with the Corbin on it.. my butt never even flinched.. throttle wrist hurts a bit (did 400+ miles with pillion), and the tip of my middle finger on my left hand is numb (I think I pinched a nerve while riding the clutch in heavy traffic yesterday) - I'm ready to go another 500 miles today... Course, I have to work.. so I can't.. Such a step up from my little 500 to this 700.. this thing EASILY hauls me and a 150lb person around (at well over the speed limit I might add) and in comfort. All the raves and positive reviews about the VFR are spot on IMHO - and I'm only on a first generation VFR. Anyway.. there were NO cops on the roads when or where I was.. probably a good thing, because everytime I checked speed, I was somewhere between 90 and 110 (that Kph for the cops out there! ;) ) trip to NYC from here was about 3 hours - and I was even milking about 200 miles out of the 5 gallon tank.. it runs at just past 7k at those speeds.. redline is 11.5K. If it weren't for the CCS races this weekend, I'd recommend a LONG roadtrip this weekend.. maybe next. I need to try and round off my tires a little bit.. all this highway junk's making them flat in the middle... Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 09:54:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24478; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05486 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21618 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 341; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:53:58 -0400 Message-ID: <35A0D707.9E1C3E3D@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 09:54:15 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: next weekend was Re: Friday Ride (long) commentary References: <001f01bda825$82b50680$2ef31bce@richard> <35A00751.5EA9D8C@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I might be able to make it. First time at Summit Point, so I'm thoroughly excited! Knowing some of the racers is just gonna add to the excitement, for sure! Racing Newbie Question: So what does CCS stand for? Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > > but let me be the first to remind everyone that next > weekend is a CCS weekend out at Summit Point. > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 09:57:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24515; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05523 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:57:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21685 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA05071 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:57:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: ATTN: Tom Gimer Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dale Coyner's selling his aerostich, a 48L, red/black. www.his.com/dale/garagesale Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 09:59:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24542; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05556 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:59:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21746 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA11496; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3L6BA05B>; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:00:19 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F2838@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Dale Horstman'" , "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: next weekend was Re: Friday Ride (long) commentary Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:00:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain CCS=Championship Cup Series Bring the camping gear and head out Friday night!! Great fun for the kiddos too! > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, July 06, 1998 9:56 AM > To: Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: next weekend was Re: Friday Ride (long) commentary > > > Racing Newbie Question: So what does CCS stand for? > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 10:16:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24828; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06187 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22268 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 329; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:15:44 -0400 Message-ID: <35A0DC19.C75CE751@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 10:15:53 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: next weekend was Re: Friday Ride (long) commentary References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F2838@MSCEX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's the plan, for me at least. Wife and kids will probably be out Saturday night for camping and the races on Sunday, too. Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > > CCS=Championship Cup Series > > Bring the camping gear and head out Friday night!! Great fun for the kiddos > too! > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, July 06, 1998 9:56 AM > > To: Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: next weekend was Re: Friday Ride (long) commentary > > > > > > Racing Newbie Question: So what does CCS stand for? > > -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 10:17:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24899; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:17:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06221 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22367 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:16:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:17:20 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DE0@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: More on MC racing.. Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:15:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ok, for all you people who are to prissy to spend some of your time at a local track with local riders (ahem), why not look at joining us at Summit Point on August 1 - it's the WERA national endurance races.. yes, these are race temans that travel across the US.. often televised, and very top notch (for the most part). You may have heard of some of the teams - like Arclight, Army of Darkness (from right here in DC), and.. well, I forget.. brain fade from the weekend.. It really is a lot of fun.. and if you only want to say 'there, I went.. ya happy now' - do it with that weekend.. I'll be working corners and doing my normal; officiating stuff.. drop by and say hi then.. As for this weekend.. be there, see Collin win money, and me wobble my way round the track (if I can find some leathers.. anyone got a size US46 1 piece or 2 piece that zips all the way round the waist they'll let me borrow?).. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 10:22:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24930; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06376 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22483 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA05540 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:22:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: More on MC racing.. In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DE0@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > Ok, for all you people who are to prissy to spend some of your time at a > local track with local riders (ahem) That makes me prissy? While I'll admit that the lace I've added to my aerostich might be a touch prissy I disagree with you on the other point... I may actually have to be at Summit this weekend. I'm supposed to pick up another motor from someone. I'll be there if I have the cash for the motor. I'm not sure how long I'll stick around as I'd like to actually put the motor in my bike after I pick it up... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 10:25:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24965; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06420 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.va.chesapeake-systems.com (known machine01.intelx.com [209.117.191.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22562 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:25:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by server.va.chesapeake-systems.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BDA8C8.5F57FF50@XXXXXX>; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:25:18 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/03/98 Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:25:17 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Motorcycle online suggests that instead of waving, everyone should flip the bird. See their modest proposal. It puts a humorous spin on waving http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcdaily98/day0703.html >-----Original Message----- > >On my trip's back and forth between VA Beach, Nags Head, Hatteras, and >home >I came across many, many, many motorcyclists. Also came across a great >deal of assholes on Harley's(and a few Gold Winger's). Now I'll give >the >Gold Winger's the benefit of the doubt(they were probably too busy >chatting >on the radio to pay attention), but why do Harley pilot's insist on >ignoring people on other brands of bikes(I read the list of reasons >already...)? Is it just too difficult for them to raise their hand for >just a second to acknowledge me? Here I am.... cruising down the >strip... >all kinds of people on sportbikes, cruisers(non-Harley), and standards >are >acknowledging me either by a wave or a nod. But not the Harley >dudes... I >could just about be yelling at them and they still ignore me... Why? >Can >any Harley folks out there please explain this to me? It's quite >annoying..... and makes you all look like a bunch of stuck up >assholes(no >offence meant here). The ones that didn't wave on the retuen trip home >today got the"bird"instead. I hate having to drop to that kind of >level.... > >-Tom >'86 VFR750r > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 10:37:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25081; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06604 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22869 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:37:18 -0400 (EDT) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WBHGa02268 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4d7cc3a7.35a0e0ca@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:35:53 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: the new bike & the big ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79 Hello, I'll be un-subscribing in the next day or two because I'm about to leave on a trip. Last Wednesday I bought a BMW R80G/S, which replaces the one that went to GS heaven in 1995. Joyous rapture! I know they aren't everyone's cup of tea, but it is my favorite model bike, and I've been looking for one for three years now - a long search. I already had two bikes, one of which I wasn't using and would have sold a while ago if I wasn't so lazy. Now they really both have to go (I need the garage space and the money). In a moment of extreme impulsivity, I asked a friend in New York if she was interested in a one-way bike ride to San Francisco. She said what any normal irresponsible person would say - "hell, yes." So Friday morning, we're heading west. We'll leave both the bikes there on consignment at the shop where I used to work. Eventually, we'll fly back. We have no route plan. When we leave, we'll be heading to Mid-Ohio, but I have no idea which way we'll go from there. If any other listers are heading out that way, send me a note, and maybe we can hook up. Colleen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 10:46:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25170; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07106 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23094 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A337AB05FA; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 10:46:15 EDT Message-Id: X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 10:40:52 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/03/98 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:25 AM 7/6/98 -0400, Jay St. Peter wrote: >Motorcycle online suggests that instead of waving, everyone should flip >the bird. See their modest proposal. It puts a humorous spin on >waving http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcdaily98/day0703.html I heard a story of a Harley rider riding his bike to Daytona. Every time he passed a truck or trailer carrying Harleys, he'd give 'em the finger. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 12:16:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26724; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08907 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25329 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA01545 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:14:03 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:14:03 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/03/98 Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:15:05 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >I heard a story of a Harley rider riding his bike to Daytona. Every time >he passed a truck or trailer carrying Harleys, he'd give 'em the finger. Sounds reasonable to me I can understand the guys coming out of Minnesota and the guys with the hardtail choppers - I'll cut them slack for trailering a scooter. But when I came out of my motel roon heading back, there were two H-D Tour Glide Ultra Classics - one in the back of a pickup and the other on a trailer attached to the pickup. All sporting Virginia tags. Why bother? Michael (I ride mine) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 12:41:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27175; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA09192 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26213 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA7249 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:33:57 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 12:38:57 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 12:41:26 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/03/98 -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Those guys oughta be ashamed. About ten years ago when I was doing stuff for The Company, I talked to Louie Netz (works with Willie G in styling) after Daytona. He and a couple other guys rode from Milwaukee and back, braving temps in the thirties. This guy could have had any Harley he wanted just "show up" for him in Daytona, courtesy of the factory semis. But he rode, just to do it. And then he wouldn't let us write about it; he didn't want to be too "out front" in the advertising. Pretty cool. Joe '85 Ninja 900 >>> "Jordan, Michael" - 7/6/98 12:15 PM >>> >I heard a story of a Harley rider riding his bike to Daytona. Every time >he passed a truck or trailer carrying Harleys, he'd give 'em the finger. Sounds reasonable to me I can understand the guys coming out of Minnesota and the guys with the hardtail choppers - I'll cut them slack for trailering a scooter. But when I came out of my motel roon heading back, there were two H-D Tour Glide Ultra Classics - one in the back of a pickup and the other on a trailer attached to the pickup. All sporting Virginia tags. Why bother? Michael (I ride mine) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 13:01:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27507; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA09519 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1c.yahoomail.com (known send1c.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26828 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980706170330.27999.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send1c; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 10:03:30 PDT Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:03:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Johnston Subject: For Sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 85' Honda Rebel 250 Excellent condition , very clean Low milage 3,600...for real second owner real nice bike for first timer or small person no mechanical problems I am aware of need to sell , not being used due to having other bike Its my neighbor's (not mine) $1200 or maybe best offer. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 13:53:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28365; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10651 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:52:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dclink.com (known dclink.com [207.168.31.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29084 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:52:47 -0400 (EDT) From: jaynik@XXXXXX Received: from MHS by dclink.com with MHS id ANDBAMGD ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:49:24 -0500 Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:49:12 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: CBR 900RR For Sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX My buddy has a mint 96 RR with two bros oval can and system, stage 1 jetting with 1800 miles. He's looking to get out of that and into something cheaper. He wants to get $7500 for his bike. Do you have an interest or know of anyone interested in it? It's mint. I've seen and ridden it and it's a beauty. He's got two helmets and there's a magnetic tank bra on it. It's the solid red one. It's never seen rain and was obviously rarely ridden. It's located in Southern Maryland. Let me know if you wanna peek. Jay to: INT:balt-cycles@XXXXXX cc: INT:dc-cycles@XXXXXX INT:exup-brotherhood@XXXXXX INT:fzr-400@XXXXXX **********************************************************/ /* Jaynik */ /* jaynik@XXXXXX */ /* */ /* Sent from Capital City Cyberlink */ /**********************************************************/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 14:30:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29172; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13199 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA00633 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:30:16 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id OAA17199 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:29:33 -0400 Message-Id: <199807061829.OAA17199@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:29:33 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:29:33 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:29:33 -0400 Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:26:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Clinton Cycles.. To: garicao@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, NJitzul@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ...actually blue book value is used by the dealers to determine what they can gouge you for on a trade in..it doesn't have ANYTHING to do with what a bike will realistically sell for. It's also used by the insurance and loan agencies to determine what the published value of the bike is. Additionally, tax collection agencies also use it for tax collection purposes. MCN's website (www.mcnews.com/articles/honda.htm) lists the '85 450 Nighthawk at $1,155. I know from previous experience, that the dealers almost ALWAYS sell the bikes at above the blue book and sometimes significantly above the common retail price. MCN's prices are what the national *average* is for that bike in good to like new condition... now that summer is in full swing and the weather in the D.C. area is getting more "rider friendly", it's not suprising that dealers are looking for good/mechanically sound beginner sized bikes. I have to admit that $2k _does_ sound alittle on the high side..may $1500 is more what the local market would tolerate, however Coleman has displayed bikes that are ridiculous in price.. cheers, -aki > Ok, take a deep breath.... > > If the Blue Book value of this bike is $1155, that is its full retail > value. I doubt that they can pay the rent and staff if they buy at Blue > Book. What do you think they should pay for it? > > But that brings up another possibility: have you considered having them > sell it for you on consignment? > > --garcia > > > On Sun, 5 Jul 1998 NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > > > They called about my 85 Nighthawk. They said that is it was in immaculate > > condition they would give me $900.00 for it!! The bike is worth $1155 in > > excellent condition according to N.A.D.A!! And they were probably going to try > > > to sell it for $2k or there abouts! Like I said, I used to deal with them, and > > > I was impressed with the mechanics a few years ago. If they're bad now, then > > things have changed for the worse since I last saw them. They've changed > > ownership and location a couple times now, so I understand. Bummer. A shame to > > > see a good business go down the crapper. > > > > Robert VanSlyke > > 83 Shadow 750 > > 85 Nighthawk 450 (still for sale!) > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 15:17:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA29893; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 15:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14633 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 15:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA02123 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 15:17:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807061917.PAA02123@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A2CF1EF0154; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 15:17:35 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 15:01:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Man, dog, & motorcycle Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Nope, not talking about our very own Art Crow, but Uncle Milt & Murphy -- http://home.earthlink.net/~mrmilt/ Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 17:14:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA02365; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA16293 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ice.clark.net (known mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA06157 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by ice.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA18525 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:15:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA02159 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807062114.RAA02159@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: selling my bike (was RE: Clinton Cycles) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:14:09 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <008E035A0CFB6051*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> from "Burger, Donald " " at Jul 6, 98 09:23:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text I'm a little behind on e-mail, sorry, and I lost the original message. I got 1,500 trade in on my '84 Nighthawk. Of course I was trading in on a new bike that has been sitting on their floor for a few months, so they may have been more willing to deal with me. The other place offered me $800. Louis > You said: > > > They called about my 85 Nighthawk. They said that is it was in > immaculate > > condition they would give me $900.00 for it!! > > Why not just take it there and drop it off. You get the cash without the > hassles of people calling up asking questions and then no-showing when > they are supposed to come look at it. Plus selling it for that price > isn't a loss, its a gain of $900, right now you have $0. > > ---------- > From: NJitzul@XXXXXX[SMTP:NJitzul@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, July 06, 1998 2:06 AM > To: garicao@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: selling my bike (was RE: Clinton Cycles) > > I'm asking $1,000 and expecting somewhere around $850-900. I've had 2 > dealers > (Twigg Cycles and Dutrow's Honda) tell me to ask $1,400 and expect around > $1,000. Nobody called when I was asking for $1,400. I've gotten a few > interested calls when I lowered the asking price to $1,000. I paid $1150 > for > it 5 years ago. It was in slightly better shape then (the tank rusted out > 2 > winters ago and I replaced it with a used one that doesn't match the > paint, > but had it sealed so it wouldn't rust). The max value given in the book > was > $1155 with the average around $990. I'm just trying to get the bike sold. > I've > put some money into and hate to take too big a loss and it still has low > miles > (around 16,000). It would cost me around $300+ to bring the bike up to > immaculate condition. It's no showroom beauty, but it runs very well. Am > I > asking too much? What do you think I should do? And finally, how does > consignment work? Thanks in advance! > > Robert "never sold a bike before" VanSlyke From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 18:12:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA03329; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA16800 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA07912 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:18:07 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: NJitzul@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Selling your '85 Nighthawk... Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:18:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Robert - I was reading through the various messages about your bike and I think I figured out why there seems to be a bit of confusion! You said: > They called about my 85 Nighthawk. They said that is it was in > immaculate condition they would give me $900.00 for it!! I think you meant to say that *if* it was in immaculate condition, not *is*. When I first read this I thought they offered you $900 for it, and I couldn't figure out why you were unhappy. But, if you add in that you have to spend $300 to make it "immaculate" and then get $900 for it, then I understand why you didn't jump at the offer! I think it was Aki who suggested you take it to a MSF class with a "for sale" sign on it. I think that this would work really well. I would try to go around lunch time on Sunday, or maybe later in the afternoon as people are leaving. Maybe make up some info sheets to give out if someone expressed interest but wanted to "think about it." You might also post some for sale signs at any colleges in your area -- might be a student looking for some reliable, inexpensive transportation. Good luck! Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 18:39:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA03762; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA17012 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA08491 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:39:04 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id SAA01126 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:38:14 -0400 Message-Id: <199807062238.SAA01126@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:38:14 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:38:14 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:38:14 -0400 Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:35:20 -0400 Subject: Selling your '85 Nighthawk... To: anita@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, NJitzul@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME twas me..I did that the other weekend but subsequently sold it through this list..however I've received a couple of interested calls about the bike from leaving it at the MSF class..if I get anymore I'll mention your bike for sale...let me know how much you want to sell it for and any other particuliars and I'll pass it onto the next person who calls.. cheers, -aki > Robert - > > I was reading through the various messages about your bike and I think I > figured out why there seems to be a bit of confusion! > > You said: > > > They called about my 85 Nighthawk. They said that is it was in > > immaculate condition they would give me $900.00 for it!! > > I think you meant to say that *if* it was in immaculate condition, not > *is*. When I first read this I thought they offered you $900 for it, > and I couldn't figure out why you were unhappy. > > But, if you add in that you have to spend $300 to make it "immaculate" > and then get $900 for it, then I understand why you didn't jump at the > offer! > > I think it was Aki who suggested you take it to a MSF class with a "for > sale" sign on it. I think that this would work really well. I would > try to go around lunch time on Sunday, or maybe later in the afternoon > as people are leaving. Maybe make up some info sheets to give out if > someone expressed interest but wanted to "think about it." You might > also post some for sale signs at any colleges in your area -- might be a > student looking for some reliable, inexpensive transportation. > > Good luck! > Anita > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 18:55:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA04509; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA17190 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA09678 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:55:43 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WUTIa04160 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3c84a11b.35a1545f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:49:02 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Clinton Cycles.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-07-06 14:36:35 EDT, you write: << however Coleman has displayed bikes that are ridiculous in price.. >> Just a footnote on that statement. Coleman in Woodbridge was selling (probably still is!) a 96 CBR600 with 11,000 miles on it.......bone stock. The asking price is $6900!!! I wonder how long that bike will sit there. A brand new ZX6R aint too much more than that. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 19:16:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA04791; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 19:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA17396 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 19:16:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA10128 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 19:15:59 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WDOMa04160 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 19:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 19:12:17 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Craig, send those suspension settings again Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 I lost em.....want to try. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 20:19:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA05476; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA18698 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA11522 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm2-09.dial.nova.org (pm2-09.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.233]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA17024 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:18:58 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 00:20:52 GMT Message-ID: <35a4659d.1068778680@mailgate.nova.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That trip that had been planned for the 4th of July weekend has been moved to the Aug 8/9 weekend (if this is a race weekend someone let me know and I'll move it to the next weekend if any racer types want to come). I have likely participants in both the sporting (Glenn and myself so far) and normal (Anita Lauro) types. While I expect to scare up a couple more sporting types I'm sure Anita would appreciate more company. Depending on the level of participation we could get a couple good groups of 4+ people with similar riding mindsets. We've got a few date/ride options. My least favorite optin is to use just 2 days. Slab it down to Princeton, WV (the base camp) on saturday, eat lunch in Princeton, and do a backroads route (including VA16) in the afternoon. On sunday, we'd take a backroads route all the way back home, basically taking all day. This would probably put us just over 500 miles per day. The other option would be to use three days taking a backroads route down on the first day, doing the VA16 route on the second day, and taking a different backroads route home on the final day. We could start on friday and end on sunday or start on saturday and end on monday. Everyone is welcome but many of these roads will not be beginner friendly (mega twisty). The sporting group will be passing on the double yellow as we approach the twisties. Pace on the straight sections will be near the speed limit (many of the roads will be marked 55mph). We'll be waiting, as necessary, after each of the sections of twisties - no one will be left behind. If you'd like to come let me know. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 20:32:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA05793; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA18809 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA12146 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA.COM (known pasha.com [207.32.107.3]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA28504 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 20:21:08 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 20:21:35 -0400 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Two Weeks, Too Fast (long) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Two Weeks, Too Fast (long) Warning: This report was edited for space and is still way long! Hello D.C. Cycles! Linda Tanner and I reentered the metropolitan area Sunday after more than two weeks out West. The final count was 19 states and I believe Linda's GPS read about 6,500 miles. We left Todd Peer out there as he has another week of vacation. Linda left for New Mexico on June 17. Todd and I left the next day. An electrical short almost grounded Todd's ST1100, but he was there at the Rosslyn Amoco at our scheduled departure time of 3pm. Leon Begeman was there as well, having taken it upon himself to sign our witness forms for the Saddle Sore 1000 and escort us out the congested I-66. Todd and I arrived at 11pm in Knoxville, Tenn., without much drama and took a four-hour nap. About 20 minutes after we shoved off, lightning lit up the darkness and we were pounded by rain for the next three hours. I could barely make out the 18-wheelers, much less the ST. The weather cleared and we cruised passed Graceland into a hot Arkansas. We took one of our few leisurely stops at Wendy's for lunch and arrived in Little Rock within the appointed 24 hours. Todd's buddy Scott (also on an ST) signed our papers and took us out to a Mexican restaurant, the first of many for us. The next day Scott took us on a few curves going over Magazine Mtn. in the Ozarks before Todd and I went back to the slab on I-40. We drove through to Elk City, Okla., just shy of Texas. We stayed at a motel and went out to the country bar next door with some truckers we met at the pool. The next day we made it through the desert to the cooler mountains around Taos, N.M. We rolled into a parking lot at the Sagebrush Inn crowded with bikes for the Honda Sport Touring Assn. rally. Linda saw us and told me I looked like shit. She and her CBR600 F3 had arrived the day before. The next three days we spent in Taos. We met a bunch of Todd's acquaintances from HSTA, and Linda's fans from the CBR list who came from Texas, California and Minnesota. Linda was impressed with the muscles of a Minnesota guy on a Fat Boy. One of the CBR listers, a local named Raven, took us on some of her favorite roads. We saw ex-racer Freddie Spencer and sampled the Triumph demo bikes. On the last day, while we packed to leave, one of the Minnesota crew crashed during a canyon sprint and broke his collar bone, which kept the Minnesota guys in Taos for another day. Linda, Todd and I rode with the California riders as far as Durango, Colo., then we turned north up the Million Dollar Highway and looped back down to Cortez. The highway was spectacular, twisting through the southern Rockies. We kept the revs high to overcome the high-altitude stumble that we first noticed before Taos. The next day we saw cliff dwellings and curves on Mesa Verde. In the following days, we went to the Grand Canyon, rode past a traffic jam at Hoover Dam with a band of Harley riders, parked the bikes for a night at Circus Circus in Las Vegas, and explored Zion, Bryce Canyon and Escalante National Parks in Utah. The soft rubber which replaced my rear tire on the Deals Gap trip was showing belt by the time of Zion. Todd and Linda escorted me into St. George, Utah, where we had some tasty pizza while the local shop replaced the tire. There we observed the height and athleticism of the Utah women, and Todd and I were impressed with their upbringing. Approaching the four-day buffer zone we needed to return, Linda and I left Todd at the mercy of the Utah women. We headed back east on I-70, taking a detour to run up and over Independence Pass in Colorado. We had a pretty good system going. We'd ride for a 600-mile day and then have a couple beers. Linda had a CB and radar detector in her bionic tank bag. She heard two truckers talking about us. One trucker said his back would break if he rode one of those things, and the other said "And look at all the shit on them!" Sorry to take up so much space, but it was a good trip. We planted our flag as far west as the Pacific time zone and claimed the territory for D.C. Cycles. Sean Sullivan CBR600 F3 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 21:24:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07070; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:24:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20723 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA14167 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA01909; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:23:57 -0400 (EDT) From: adl64@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 01:27:30 GMT Message-ID: <35a27553.268563479@relay.mnsinc.com> References: <35a4659d.1068778680@mailgate.nova.org> In-Reply-To: <35a4659d.1068778680@mailgate.nova.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 07 Jul 1998 00:20:52 GMT, kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) wrote: >That trip that had been planned for the 4th of July weekend has been >moved to the Aug 8/9 weekend (if this is a race weekend someone let me >know and I'll move it to the next weekend if any racer types want to >come). I have likely participants in both the sporting (Glenn and >myself so far) and normal (Anita Lauro) types.=20 "Normal".... that sounds so much better than slow! :-) I'm trying to talk Ursulina into going, and maybe some other more leisurely paced riders will come along, too. I'd hate to be the only one you all were waiting for after each twisty section! While I'm sure my bike could keep up, it'd have to do it with a more skilled rider on board! :-) Is this going to be a camping trip or hotel? I can't recall what you said in your original message.=20 I definitely vote for the 3 day option. Sounds good so far! Anita '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 21:32:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07222; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20800 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA14405 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:32:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.46] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA00369; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 21:32:56 -0400 Message-ID: <35A133BF.C8CE20C5@anent.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 21:29:51 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "WantAZX6@XXXXXX Jack" , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Craig, send those suspension settings again References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit O.K. here you go.......******WARNING****** these settings are for the way I like to ride .................................and may not be conducive to your style or size...... I am 5'8" and weigh 155 lbs. I am running Dunlop 207zr Front Avon Azaro av36 on the rear Somone once told me that in order to get the bike to fell comfortable and responsive the way you want it , that you should go from one extreme to the other {full tight and then to full soft}not stopping in the middle so that you get a feel for how different it is , and then make adjustments from there.I have done this and that is how I came up with these settings. 1). Make sure that you chain is adjusted correctly , with your body weight on the bike or otherwise it will be too tight. 2). Based on 36 P.S.I. air pressure front & rear 3). Adjust the Rear Spring Preload to remove all the sag from the bike un-weighted. 4). Turn the Rear Damper screw all the way to the full soft position , then turn back in 1 to 1 & 1/2 turns.{You will have to play with this one a little at a time}. { I have notes that say I ended up with this to be 3 & 1/2 turns from full tight} 5). Turn the Rear Compression screw all the way to full soft {out} , and then back in 1 to 1 & 1/ 2 turns as well. {Same thing here as a little fine tuning needs to be done}. { notes that say I ended up with this set at 2 turns from full tight} 6). Adjust the Front Spring Preload { Blue Nut } till 4 lines are showing. This is hard to describe as the bar/lines are about a 1/8 inch in thickness.Should end up with about 1/2 inch above the large silver nut. 7). Turn the Rebound which is on the top of the fork all the way too full tight , then back it out 2 turns. 8). Turn the Front compression which is on the bottom of the fork legs all the way to full tight , then back it out 2 & 1/2 turns. I hope that these help you , but every time I get a different set of tires these need minor adjustments. Maybe this will help someone else as well ,giving ideas on how to set up their bike... Enjoy and ride safe , but FAST ;~) Craig Blue TL > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 21:39:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07310; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20870 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA14522 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.46] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA00398; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 21:39:13 -0400 Message-ID: <35A13538.2B5D2056@anent.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 21:36:08 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? References: <35a4659d.1068778680@mailgate.nova.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh Geez Let me think....O.K. thats long enough Miss a ride like this Hummmm...I think not Put me down in INK...I am not only there I am salavating at the thought ;~} I can smell the rubber melting on the edges of my tires already.......Yee Hahhhhhh Craig P.S. Tom Gimer I sure hope you plan on being in my mirror.....;~) Kirk Roy wrote: > That trip that had been planned for the 4th of July weekend has been > moved to the Aug 8/9 weekend (if this is a race weekend someone let me > know and I'll move it to the next weekend if any racer types want to > come). I have likely participants in both the sporting (Glenn and > myself so far) and normal (Anita Lauro) types. While I expect to scare > up a couple more sporting types I'm sure Anita would appreciate more > company. Depending on the level of participation we could get a couple > good groups of 4+ people with similar riding mindsets. > > We've got a few date/ride options. My least favorite optin is to use > just 2 days. Slab it down to Princeton, WV (the base camp) on > saturday, eat lunch in Princeton, and do a backroads route (including > VA16) in the afternoon. On sunday, we'd take a backroads route all the > way back home, basically taking all day. This would probably put us > just over 500 miles per day. The other option would be to use three > days taking a backroads route down on the first day, doing the VA16 > route on the second day, and taking a different backroads route home > on the final day. We could start on friday and end on sunday or start > on saturday and end on monday. > > Everyone is welcome but many of these roads will not be beginner > friendly (mega twisty). > > The sporting group will be passing on the double yellow as we approach > the twisties. Pace on the straight sections will be near the speed > limit (many of the roads will be marked 55mph). We'll be waiting, as > necessary, after each of the sections of twisties - no one will be > left behind. > > If you'd like to come let me know. > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 21:46:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07379; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20936 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA14594 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.46] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA00428; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 21:46:12 -0400 Message-ID: <35A136D7.1FD51FC9@anent.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 21:43:04 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anita Lauro CC: Kirk Roy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? References: <35a4659d.1068778680@mailgate.nova.org> <35a27553.268563479@relay.mnsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anita Lauro wrote: > ). I have likely participants in both the sporting (Glenn and > >myself so far) and normal (Anita Lauro) types. > > "Normal".... that sounds so much better than slow! :-) > No one is slow its just that some are quicker than others > I'd hate to be the only > one you all were waiting for after each twisty section! Not a problem, I would hang back if no one else did > > > Is this going to be a camping trip or hotel? I can't recall what you > said in your original message. > HOTEL or should that be a run down motel > I definitely vote for the 3 day option. 3 I vote for 3 also Craig > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 22:19:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA07961; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21215 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15461 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p20dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.52]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA14911; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:18:56 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01bda94d$a8973660$34f31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Craig" , "Kirk Roy" Cc: Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:19:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 -----Original Message----- From: Craig To: Kirk Roy Cc: Date: Monday, July 06, 1998 9:43 PM Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? >Oh Geez Let me think....O.K. thats long enough Miss a ride like this >Hummmm...I think not >Put me down in INK...I am not only there I am salavating at the thought >;~} >I can smell the rubber melting on the edges of my tires already.......Yee >Hahhhhhh >Craig > P.S. Tom Gimer I sure hope you plan on being in my >mirror.....;~) If I'm not in your mirror, I'll be in front of you. ;-D Count me in! Maybe we could get Zbig out of retirement for this one as well. > >Kirk Roy wrote: > >> If you'd like to come let me know. >> The dates are not a concern....I'll make the time for a trip like this: 3 days please. -- Tom Gimer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 22:33:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08078; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21717 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15680 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.110] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA00583; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 22:33:19 -0400 Message-ID: <013201bda94f$4babc220$6e73c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" , "Sean Sullivan" Subject: Re: Two Weeks, Too Fast (long) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:31:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 > Sorry to take up so much space, but it was a good trip. We planted our flag as far west as the Pacific time zone >and claimed the territory for D.C. Cycles. > Sean Sullivan > CBR600 F3 Welcome Home Wandering Conqueror! Sounds like a wonderful experience! I'm jealous! Bruce Leesburg, VA '98 VFR800 "Tronix" '94 RF600 "For Sale" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 22:37:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08135; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21769 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:37:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15734 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from broeking (207-172-54-82.s82.tnt16.brd.erols.com [207.172.54.82]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA22144 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <009001bda94f$2ca58f00$2d75accf@broeking> Reply-To: "Bob Broeking" From: "Bob Broeking" To: Subject: Just Moved Here - Helmet law Question Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:30:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I just moved here from the St Louis area and would like to know the surrounding states' helmet laws and in DC. I would like info on VA, MD, and DC. And yes, I plan on wearing one all of the time , except for short rides on my wife's scooter around the neighborhood. I live in VA. I am planning on purchasing a Honda PC800 this week for commuting. Thanks in advance. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 22:44:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08200; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21872 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15799 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA04218; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:43:51 -0400 (EDT) From: adl64@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: Craig Cc: Kirk Roy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 02:47:24 GMT Message-ID: <35a48550.272656653@relay.mnsinc.com> References: <35a4659d.1068778680@mailgate.nova.org> <35a27553.268563479@relay.mnsinc.com> <35A136D7.1FD51FC9@anent.com> In-Reply-To: <35A136D7.1FD51FC9@anent.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 06 Jul 1998 21:43:04 +0100, Craig wrote: >> "Normal".... that sounds so much better than slow! :-) > >No one is slow its just that some are quicker than others I don't know.... "less fast" is just a little too PC for me! :-) >> I'd hate to be the only >> one you all were waiting for after each twisty section! > >Not a problem, I would hang back if no one else did That's nice of you, but I hope we get a mix of riders so everyone can ride at a pace that they enjoy! Anita '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 22:45:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08206; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:45:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21877 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15814 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.110] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA00632; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 22:45:21 -0400 Message-ID: <014301bda950$fa25c8e0$6e73c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" , "Craig" Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:42:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >Oh Geez Let me think....O.K. thats long enough Miss a ride like this >Hummmm...I think not >Put me down in INK...I am not only there I am salavating at the thought >;~} >I can smell the rubber melting on the edges of my tires already.......Yee >Hahhhhhh >Craig > P.S. Tom Gimer I sure hope you plan on being in my >mirror.....;~) Down Boy! Easy! > >Kirk Roy wrote: > >> That trip that had been planned for the 4th of July weekend has been >> moved to the Aug 8/9 weekend (if this is a race weekend someone let me >> know and I'll move it to the next weekend if any racer types want to >> come). I have likely participants in both the sporting (Glenn and >> myself so far) and normal (Anita Lauro) types. While I expect to scare >> up a couple more sporting types I'm sure Anita would appreciate more >> company. Depending on the level of participation we could get a couple >> good groups of 4+ people with similar riding mindsets. I'm in as long as there is no conflict with my laser eye surgery. I can't wait to lose these glasses! =8O I vote for 3 days w/ a Monday. I find traffic to be much calmer on Mondays than Fridays. Bruce From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 22:49:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08228; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21946 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (known f179.hotmail.com [207.82.251.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15866 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28942 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 1998 02:48:34 -0000 Message-ID: <19980707024834.28941.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.172.187.130 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 19:48:34 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.172.187.130] From: "Leslie Forewright" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Summit Point Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 19:48:34 PDT Hey guys i'm new to the list..and was interested in more info on Summit Point...i.e. where its at...directions...avail of camping areas etc....thanx in advance for the info.... P.S. for those who know me...I have already gotten my mirror fixed from my lil' accident on the ride Friday....$25 more...Thanx... Les 96 Katana 750 89 Honda NX 250 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 22:50:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08243; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21963 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15882 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id VAA20860; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:49:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1b.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA22372; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:49:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.mci.com ([166.41.111.63]) by omta2.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980707024926.ACO839@XXXXXX>; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 21:49:26 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" , "CBR List" Subject: Waaaaay out West (longish) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:49:21 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bda951$d8145c20$3f6f29a6@LJTanner.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sean's already posted a ride report, but I simply have to add a few observations from the female perspective... I left on Wednesday (6/17) morning (because I'm too wussy to try a SS1k on a trip) and rode to Nashville (only 682 miles) and met up with another cbr lister (Gawain Reifsnyder). He and his wife graciously showed me the night life in Franklin TN (goin' to the Wal-Mart) and put me up for the night. Next morning Gawain (on his XX) and I left for the western regions. We went as far as Paris, AR and spent the night with very hospitable friends of his. Next day, we were off again to somewhere near Plainview TX. Because it was so far off I40, we exited the slab at Oklahoma City and started making our way west and south. The only problem was the 108 degree heat and not a single tree for 70 miles. How do the locals live with no shade and that kind of heat??? (it's okay - a rhetorical question) Got to near Plainview really late and was, again, put up by more of Gawain's hospitable friends. We had already started soaking our clothing at every stop (which became more frequent) and drinking great gobs of water. Once we left Plainview and headed north, it became a little cooler. My bike started stuttering quite a bit and my mileage really suffered. It appears that my bike has been running rich since the K&N and D&D, but, at sea level, it wasn't really noticeable. At altitude, it sucked (remember Deal's Gap?) I don't get it, but it's obviously true. We ran into some very strange little towns. One was automated. The gas station had no attendant (or the Post Office for that matter) and the machines that read credit cards were not fully operational. Gave us a little pause especially since I needed a pit stop and there didn't seem to be any facilities. We saw all sorts of interesting wildlife. A roadrunner ran across the road in front of Gawain. Once it got across the road, it flew away. Weird. A jack rabbit attempted suicide on Gawain's bike, and barely failed to succeed. Gawain and I split up at Eagle Nest pass (near Taos). Gawain went to his father's place north of Taos (to re-group later) and I attempted to find Taos. It wasn't that hard, but, of course, I got lost. Even the gps couldn't help (GPS is a fabulous toy and worthy of a posting all by itself). I took a wrong turn in downtown Taos and discovered that my bike was overheating. Downtown Taos is only a few blocks long but the traffic just doesn't move. Folks get out of their cars (still in the street) and chat with other folks on the sidewalk. People walk off the curbs without looking. Anyway, here I am in a strange town, with a bike overheating seriously and the traffic is stopped. So, I did what any red-blooded biker chick would do - I rode around all of them making apologetic noises. I rode most of the way out of town, before I decided I was lost. I've had the fan quit before and usually it's an easy fix. But not this time. I took all the baggage off the bike and had to unpack one saddlebag to get at my tools to remove the fuse cover and the fuse box, only to discover that all the fuses were fine and the fan was free spinning. Hmmmmmm. As it was getting pretty dark, I decided to find the hotel and work out the bike problems in the morning (assuming I _could_ find the hotel). The kindly attendant gave me directions to the hotel, which, of course, involved riding back through the middle of town. This time I didn't even slow down and rode around everyone. Found the hotel, got registered, got into room, ignored bike problem and was faced with a malfunctioning toilet in the room. Flush handle broken and called front desk and they said they would send plumbers toot sweet. A few minutes later, two security guards showed up with a plunger. They were rather humorous looking with their military pressed shirts, billy clubs, handcuffs and plunger. I assured them that they were improperly armed for the situation and they went off in search of correct armament. Returned just a few minutes later with a new handle, but with only a multitool to do the install. Looking rather perplexed, they attempted the job, but were failing miserably, when I sprang to the rescue. I produced my mighty channel locks and they were impressed. A biker and her tools... The next day (Sunday), I discovered that a wire had become unplugged mysteriously and once plugged back in, the fan was fine. Of course, I had to take most of the fairing off to see the problem. Later, I contacted Raven (a gracious, kindred soul) and she took me out for a run of a few of the local twisties. Heavenly - I got a chance to wear the square edges off my MEZ1/2 set (that started with 2k miles). I am humbled by the skills demonstrated. Sean and Todd arrived later that evening, looking a lot like I did the night before. Unfortunately, they missed the opening ceremony for the do. The NM State Troopers gave up the poop about the roads. They claimed that NM owns all the orange barrels in the west and thanked all the healthy looking, helmet-less riders for being generous organ donors. They also said, for the first time, that quaint saying they have. Manana does not mean tomorrow. It means not today. Boy, is that true. One of the organizers also referred to the group as the Honda Sport Trailering Association. Trailered ST1100s. Hmmmmmm. I missed the award for farthest female rider by 100 miles. The rest of the cbr contingent arrived the next day and the riding got started in earnest. We rode a lot and I stayed in the back, mostly because my bike was running so poorly, but also because everyone else was a much better rider than I. Raven, you know your stuff. Suzi, you are awesome. Chris, heal fast. I met a great bunch of folks and consider myself richer for it. By the end of the trip (backing into my parking space) my odometer registered 6996 miles while the gps only showed 6521.9. Interesting error. My tires now have 9K miles on them and are looking pretty shabby. And rejetting seems to be in my future. One interesting observation. I rode 6995.9 miles without one car or truck failing to see me. It was mostly rural riding but not all. We rode through a bunch of big towns like Denver, St. Louis, Kansas City etc and never once did I get run out of my spot. I didn't even have to honk (pitiful sound that it is) once. I get with 200 yards of my house and a Volvo station wagon comes very close to hitting me head on because he's cutting a corner that I'm trying to negotiate (and I was hugging the curb). I stopped and stared at him while he wasn't even looking where he was going. Sobering. All in all, it was a fabulous trip and I can't wait to get my pics back. Now, I just have to figure out how to wheedle some extra vacation days so I can go to the superbike races in Ohio in a few weeks. Oh yes, Corbin seats rule!! And I'm already working on the design of Bionic Tank Bag Mark II. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 23:10:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08444; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22214 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16121 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.54] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA00704; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 23:10:19 -0400 Message-ID: <35A14A93.459ACD0F@anent.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 23:07:15 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Thomas H. Gimer" CC: Kirk Roy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? References: <001f01bda94d$a8973660$34f31bce@richard> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thomas H. Gimer wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig > To: Kirk Roy > Cc: > Date: Monday, July 06, 1998 9:43 PM > Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? > > >Oh Geez Let me think....O.K. thats long enough Miss a ride like this > >Hummmm...I think not > >Put me down in INK...I am not only there I am salavating at the thought > >;~} > >I can smell the rubber melting on the edges of my tires already.......Yee > >Hahhhhhh > >Craig > > P.S. Tom Gimer I sure hope you plan on being in my > >mirror.....;~) > > If I'm not in your mirror, I'll be in front of you. ;-D Optomistic about your keith code class arent you? ;~) > Count me in! > Maybe we could get Zbig out of retirement for this one as well. > > > > >Kirk Roy wrote: > > > >> If you'd like to come let me know. > >> > > The dates are not a concern....I'll make the time for a trip like this: 3 > days please. > > -- > Tom Gimer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 23:10:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08443; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22212 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:10:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16118 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-112-63.s63.tnt4.ann.erols.com [207.172.112.63]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA20171; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A19100.D0CF9BE@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 23:07:44 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Craig CC: "WantAZX6@XXXXXX Jack" , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Craig, send those suspension settings again References: <35A133BF.C8CE20C5@anent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jack/Craig, I think if Jack tries these setings, he'll be really unhappy. He's a loot bigger than craig and I. Looking over the settings, a few comments (take in mind, my experience is with a conventional rear so I may be in left field from your split units): Rear damping looks awefully soft. You don't get any bucking wobbles on the long high speed sweepers? Rear compression looks good to match the damping. 4 lines on the front preload? That's generally right about the stock setting (at least on GSXR's and I believe RF's)...always worked pretty good for me as well in that general vicinity. Front rebound is about 1/2 turn stiffer than me, but I think the TL's riding position puts a bit more weight bias to the front so stiffer may be better. Stiffer on mine amplified the nasty GSXR tank slappers... Again, front compression is pretty well matched to the rebound. On my 93 GSXR I ran 36psi rear and 35 psi front on Dunlop 204's, and just the opposite of that on the Avon Azarro's (which in my opinion are far superior to the dunlops..You think that rear is nice Craig, wait till you get a front on there!!) That seemed to work OK on the street..maybe even a bit on the high side for the milder days. For Summit Point, where traction is NOT common, tire pressures rarely exceed 30psi except on the coldest rainiest of days... Your description of setting the bikes sag is a little off though. You want front and rear preload set so that when the rider is on in full gear, the bike sags about 24-26mm, which is around 1 1/4 inch (i said around you conversion nuts :)) This months Road Racing World has a good article on setting preload, taking into account shock stiction (takes a bit more time, but not much) Overall the settings look pretty decent. I think the absolute best way to set the suspension settings is to take your tools with you and find a nice stretch a few miles long. Run through it, think about what the bike is doing, make minor adjustments (one at a time) that you think will make things better, then run through the same exact stretch again, taking as close to the same lines as possible, compare, repeat till your happy. Always take notes, so you can revert back to better settings each if the new ones don't work out. I suspect Craig/Jack (and me) will end up with settings taht are painfully stiff for cruising/commuting speeds but that will rock at speed. A set up suspension will make you go faster long before that brutally expensive full system pipe and jet kit. Better use of that money would be a stiffer front spring and race tech gold valves (especially on Yamahoppers..not so necessary on Suzooks) and a revalve on the rear shock. All that said, my racebike's suspension is way off right now...unfortunately, I can't just take it out to my favorite back road stretch to tinker with it...I guess i'll have to make good use of the two morning practices before race time. Oh yeah, i forgot to reply to one of you guys earlier posts...Get that steering damper back on the bike Jack. I can't imagine you saying that it slows the steering down any at all (noticable anyhow) better yet, save some cash and buy a good damper. That one Suzuki mounted is JUNK (but still better than nothing)!!! What time I spent on your machine, the headshake and steering inputs were HUGE even with the damper. I highly recommend using the Hyperpro or WER steering dampers. The first is a top mount that has a very unique damping method (check out their website:www.hyperpro.com). The WER (what I just mounted on the race bike) is a rotary damper that mounts up under the triple clamps completely out of sight/mind. It has proven to be very successful on roadracing bikes so far. For milder applications, use the stock 5wt oil, for racing or Craig/Jack riding, just ask them to put in 10wt (no extra charge). Both are very adjustable, more than most. Hyperpro costs $390, WER costs $330. That's very competitive with any of the good steering dampers on the market (A Fox will run around $400 for a used one). Stay away from the cheapies...Storz is about as bottom line as I would go, and they run around $200-$250 i think.... -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 23:29:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08631; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22605 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malady.cais.net (known malady.cais.net [199.0.216.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16310 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (ppp12.net-A.dc.net [205.252.61.12]) by malady.cais.net (8.8.7/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id XAA13975 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001301bda970$49ead540$0c3dfccd@wowbager> From: "Mike B." To: Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:27:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 -----Original Message----- From: Thomas H. Gimer To: Craig ; Kirk Roy Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Monday, July 06, 1998 7:40 PM Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? >-----Original Message----- >From: Craig >To: Kirk Roy >Cc: >Date: Monday, July 06, 1998 9:43 PM >Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? > If I promise to behave, and not get in any mishaps, can I come along too ? >; - P~~~ Heh Heh Mike B. 98 ZX 9 > >>Oh Geez Let me think....O.K. thats long enough Miss a ride like this >>Hummmm...I think not >>Put me down in INK...I am not only there I am salavating at the thought >>;~} >>I can smell the rubber melting on the edges of my tires already.......Yee >>Hahhhhhh >>Craig >> P.S. Tom Gimer I sure hope you plan on being in my >>mirror.....;~) > >If I'm not in your mirror, I'll be in front of you. ;-D Count me in! >Maybe we could get Zbig out of retirement for this one as well. > >> >>Kirk Roy wrote: >> >>> If you'd like to come let me know. >>> > >The dates are not a concern....I'll make the time for a trip like this: 3 >days please. > > >-- >Tom Gimer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 23:31:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08655; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22653 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16362 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-112-63.s63.tnt4.ann.erols.com [207.172.112.63]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA29797; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A19566.EC9EB215@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 23:26:30 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Linda Tanner CC: Dc-Cycles , CBR List Subject: Re: Waaaaay out West (longish) References: <000401bda951$d8145c20$3f6f29a6@LJTanner.mci.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Awesome trip report Linda...I know you said retorical...but.... Where i grew up in Altus, OK, it hit 118 about the time you guys went through..That's hotter than I ever remember it. Worst I can remember is playing a round of golf in 114, then riding the bike home (with clubs strapped to my back). Sorry I didn't get directions to my brother's house to you guys in time...Todd and Sean stayed about 45 miles south of them... CT Linda Tanner wrote: How do the locals live with no shade and that > kind of heat??? (it's okay - a rhetorical question) -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 23:44:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08771; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:44:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23016 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16529 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.51]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 06 Jul 1998 23:41:55 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Bob Broeking" , Subject: RE: Just Moved Here - Helmet law Question Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:43:05 -0400 Message-ID: <001901bda959$5936f7c0$2e80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <009001bda94f$2ca58f00$2d75accf@broeking> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Simple. Wear them all the time, everywhere. It's the law. Two exceptions: Deleware requires you to carry, but not WEAR a helmet. (Funny story in WRMT a few months back about how that came into being). Second, some nuts in Maryland keep trying to get the helmet law repealed due to the fact that our helmet law is a poorly written piece of garbage. But the last time it went to State Supreme Court, it was upheld. Basically, the law requires one to wear a helmet from a state provided list. There is no state list. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 6 23:54:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08870; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:54:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA23124 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:54:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA16615 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA17727; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:50:34 -0400 Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:46:50 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: More on MC racing.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DE0@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > Ok, for all you people who are to prissy to spend some of your time at a > local track with local riders (ahem) THHHBBBBPPPTTTT! :-P Some of us would love to go to the track,and catch all the list rides, and go on the weekend trips,but we have to work!We're a 24hr workcenter and our manning is crap.It also doesn't help if you work a second job. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 00:16:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA09571; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24230 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:16:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16932 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA17995; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:12:42 -0400 Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:57:01 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Buell Sighting To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey all, I know we've got some Arlington residents,so I'd like you'all to keep an eye out for a black Buell S1 with two people on it.On the way in to work tonight I saw it for the second time on Columbia Pike near the Wash Blvd ramps,so I figure they're local.I'd love to know what kind of seat he's got. Optionally,could you find out if the girl on the back is cute, and if she's got a sister?I have yet to find girl who'd be willing to get on the back of the POS. ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 00:24:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA09699; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24370 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16983 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id AAA24619; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:22:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:22:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: NJitzul@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: selling my bike (was RE: Clinton Cycles) In-Reply-To: <3986a0ef.35a0651e@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Now I'm confused: you turned down the dealer's offer of $900 and are expecting to sell it for $850-900? Am I missing something here? Like, what's the point of doing it this way? --garcia On Mon, 6 Jul 1998 NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > I'm asking $1,000 and expecting somewhere around $850-900. I've had 2 dealers > (Twigg Cycles and Dutrow's Honda) tell me to ask $1,400 and expect around > $1,000. Nobody called when I was asking for $1,400. I've gotten a few > interested calls when I lowered the asking price to $1,000. I paid $1150 for > it 5 years ago. It was in slightly better shape then (the tank rusted out 2 > winters ago and I replaced it with a used one that doesn't match the paint, > but had it sealed so it wouldn't rust). The max value given in the book was > $1155 with the average around $990. I'm just trying to get the bike sold. I've > put some money into and hate to take too big a loss and it still has low miles > (around 16,000). It would cost me around $300+ to bring the bike up to > immaculate condition. It's no showroom beauty, but it runs very well. Am I > asking too much? What do you think I should do? And finally, how does > consignment work? Thanks in advance! > > Robert "never sold a bike before" VanSlyke > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 00:42:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA10015; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA24488 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:42:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (known imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA17245 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:42:29 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id STVOa29473; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:40:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:40:41 EDT To: kirk@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 I'm interested in the trip. I vote for a 3 day trip. I'm one of the "less fast" riders. I'll definitely be in the back of the "less fast" group on the twisties. My pig (can't call a Honda a Hog!) doesn't handle corners as well as some of these much nimbler sportbikes. Found that out last Friday! But I do enjoy a good ride and nice scenery!! Plus, I need to make up for the 15 years of near inactivity my bike has seen :) In almost 3 weeks I've only put 1,400+ miles on it. That brings it up to 7,700+ miles on the odometer! Ugh!!! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 85 Nighthawk 450 (buy me, please!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 03:06:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA11370; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 03:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA25116 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 03:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA18361 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 03:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <3MZRAJR9>; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:21:12 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C404886388@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Craig Johnston'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: For Sale Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:21:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Maybe I could keep up with you if it was yours! :-) Glenn > 85' Honda Rebel 250 > Excellent condition , very clean > Low milage 3,600...for real > second owner > real nice bike for first timer or small person > no mechanical problems I am aware of > need to sell , not being used due to having other bike > Its my neighbor's (not mine) > $1200 or maybe best offer. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 07:38:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA13253; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 07:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA26847 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 07:38:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA20014 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 07:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm1-06.dial.nova.org (pm1-06.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.134]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id HAA25190 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 07:38:33 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 11:40:33 GMT Message-ID: <35ba08af.1110534753@mailgate.nova.org> References: <35a4659d.1068778680@mailgate.nova.org> <35a27553.268563479@relay.mnsinc.com> In-Reply-To: <35a27553.268563479@relay.mnsinc.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow, I just posted about the trip last night and we've already got the following who want to come: Kirk Roy Craig Johnston (Johnston, right?) Anita Lauro Tom Gimer Bruce Norton Robert VanSlyke Mike B Sean Sullivan We ought to be able to have a sporty and normal group pretty easily. I'm going to need a couple someones to lead (I'll provide route details) the normal group. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 07:54:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA13372; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 07:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA26935 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 07:53:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA20134 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 07:53:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807071153.HAA20134@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AC3BDF0256; Tue, 07 Jul 1998 07:53:31 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 07:35:08 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Just Moved Here - Helmet law Question In-Reply-To: <009001bda94f$2ca58f00$2d75accf@broeking> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Helmets are required in all 3 jurisdictions. I think there may be an parade exemption (such as at the Rolling Thunder ride to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial (the Wall) - but I'm not sure. Welcome to the area. Chris Norloff At 09:30 PM 7/6/98 -0500, Bob Broeking wrote: >I just moved here from the St Louis area and would like to know the >surrounding states' helmet laws and in DC. I would like info on VA, MD, and >DC. And yes, I plan on wearing one all of the time , except for short rides >on my wife's scooter around the neighborhood. I live in VA. I am planning >on purchasing a Honda PC800 this week for commuting. Thanks in advance. >Bob > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 08:45:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA13823; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 08:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27205 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 08:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (known usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20613 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 08:45:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Tue, 7 Jul 1998 08:33:48 -0400 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 07 Jul 1998 08:33:47 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 07 Jul 1998 08:33:47 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 012A535A215AB003-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 012A535A215AB003 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <012A535A215AB003*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 07 Jul 1998 08:33:47 -0400 From: "Burger, Donald " To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" (IPM Return requested), "(Kirk Roy)" (IPM Return requested) Subject: RE: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? Message-Id: <012A535A215AB003*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> I can't say I will definitely be joining you guys but I sure hope I can get those days free on my schedule. Kirk, I looked at the route you posted and it seems like it will be an unbelievable couple of days. I'd really like a chance to get out and meet some of the people who right now are just faceless names and run some great roads at the same time. An unrelated question, My SO and I are looking to spend a couple days (Friday and Saturday) up in VA/WV (no not at Summit Point, I'm hoping to get there myself on Sunday). Can you guys/gals point out some good roads (and roads to avoid) and places we might be able to stay. I'd be leaving from Calverton/Silver Spring, MD. Thanks Don Burger - 96 F3 ---------- From: (Kirk Roy)[SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 7:46 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? Wow, I just posted about the trip last night and we've already got the following who want to come: Kirk Roy Craig Johnston (Johnston, right?) Anita Lauro Tom Gimer Bruce Norton Robert VanSlyke Mike B Sean Sullivan We ought to be able to have a sporty and normal group pretty easily. I'm going to need a couple someones to lead (I'll provide route details) the normal group. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 09:38:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14926; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27625 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21357 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:38:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA16682; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:38:37 -0400 Message-ID: <35A2249B.31989E3D@illuminet.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 09:37:31 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Broeking CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Just Moved Here - Helmet law Question References: <009001bda94f$2ca58f00$2d75accf@broeking> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They all have helmet laws. Lane splitting is illegal. In DC however, the only rule that's enforced is parking, other stuff is just advisory. (Watch those traffic lights, cages don't get tickets either.) If the scooter is under 50cc, it's a moped. No helmet or any other paperwork required. Rider must be 16 and not have revoked driver's license. Mopeds can split lanes (on either side) and may park anywhere. Where in Virginia? I'm in Dale City. Leon. Bob Broeking wrote: > > I just moved here from the St Louis area and would like to know the > surrounding states' helmet laws and in DC. I would like info on VA, MD, and > DC. And yes, I plan on wearing one all of the time , except for short rides > on my wife's scooter around the neighborhood. I live in VA. I am planning > on purchasing a Honda PC800 this week for commuting. Thanks in advance. > Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 09:59:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA15432; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28601 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21611 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p20dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.52]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA08941; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:59:29 -0400 Message-ID: <005c01bda9af$8680c980$34f31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Kirk Roy" , Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:59:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 But remember the number of people interested in doing the Deals Gap trip? It was 20+....only 8 even made the first night's campground (not including cagers). Glenn seems to be missing from your list....wasn't he part of the original plans? Don't worry Glenn, there will be plenty of time to wash the bike when you get back. Sean: good to hear that you had a fun, safe trip. Your tire expenditures this year must be getting ugly! -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Roy To: Date: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 7:42 AM Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? Wow, I just posted about the trip last night and we've already got the following who want to come: Kirk Roy Craig Johnston (Johnston, right?) Anita Lauro Tom Gimer Bruce Norton Robert VanSlyke Mike B Sean Sullivan We ought to be able to have a sporty and normal group pretty easily. I'm going to need a couple someones to lead (I'll provide route details) the normal group. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 10:07:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15535; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29085 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21794 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02228 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:07:17 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id KAA09338 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:05:27 -0400 Message-Id: <199807071405.KAA09338@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:05:27 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:05:27 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:05:27 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:03:07 -0400 Subject: Two Weeks, Too Fast (long) To: MINEREG@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ..man...all I can say is that I envy the hell outta you..sounds like you had a GREAT time..was in TAO's about two months ago...LOTS of bikes..mainly Harleys, but most of them were weekend RUBS so most of them were pretty friendly...wasn't riding though, was there on a business/golfing trip. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 10:12:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15607; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29251 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21852 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 282; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:11:50 -0400 Message-ID: <35A22CB8.15E517E4@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 10:12:08 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Broeking CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Just Moved Here - Helmet law Question References: <009001bda94f$2ca58f00$2d75accf@broeking> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob Broeking wrote: > And yes, I plan on wearing one all of the time , except for short > rides on my wife's scooter around the neighborhood. I live in VA. > I am planning on purchasing a Honda PC800 this week for commuting. Bob, Wait I don't understand, you said your wife already *HAS* a scooter, so why buy the PC800? ;-) I'm kidding! Welcome to Hell. Only LA has worse traffic than we do. No I'm not bragging, I'm complaining. I've found that riding bikes around here makes dealing with traffic all the more fun and interesting, but I spent a couple years driving around in a car down here before I felt comfortable with the way these crazy people drive (I'm from the much more rural Western PA area). If you are new to the area, please be careful out on the roads, especially on two wheels! Ride Safe! Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 10:19:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15846; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29658 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21941 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 193; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:18:33 -0400 Message-ID: <35A22E4C.28255F1C@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 10:18:52 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: NJitzul@XXXXXX, DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Miles References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > Plus, I need to make up for the 15 years > of near inactivity my bike has seen :) In almost 3 weeks I've only put 1,400+ > miles on it. That brings it up to 7,700+ miles on the odometer! Ugh!!! > You've still got time. From what I hear, those bikes last quite a long while. I view the odometer on a motorbike as sort of a happy-meter. Few miles? What, you don't like the bike? Go ride! Lots of miles? Now there's a nice happy match of bike and rider. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" (9250 miles in 3.5 months) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 10:31:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16033; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:31:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00250 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22141 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:31:43 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DEB@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Miles Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:30:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ack.. now I feel bad.. I've done 1,500 in a week.. :P - flipped 30,000k too.. that's my starting point though.. just bought the bike.. I'm going to run it over 100,000 - I swear it. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > Plus, I need to make up for the 15 years > of near inactivity my bike has seen :) In almost 3 weeks I've only put 1,400+ > miles on it. That brings it up to 7,700+ miles on the odometer! Ugh!!! > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 10:47:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16443; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00903 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22405 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:47:45 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8ZQRa06640; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:46:02 EDT To: Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Miles Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 I plan on owning the Shadow for a very long time. The fact is, the previous owner put very few miles on it. I bought it with only 6,310 miles on it! I think it should be ridden far and often. I plan on putting many many miles on it :) I love riding, so my happy-meter is going to keep climbing as fast as I can make it! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 85 Nighthawk 450 (the cause of confusion and still for sale!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 11:19:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17834; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03115 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1d.yahoomail.com (known send1d.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.48]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24345 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980707151337.20590.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send1d; Tue, 07 Jul 1998 08:13:37 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 08:13:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Johnston Subject: Re: Craig, send those suspension settings again To: Craig , "Collin T. Fagan \(cfagan@XXXXXX\)" Cc: "WantAZX6@XXXXXX Jack" , dc-cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---"Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" wrote: > Rear damping looks awefully soft. You don't get any bucking wobbles on > the long high speed sweepers? none since i have done these settings , but had wobbles before.. > > Rear compression looks good to match the damping. Thank you it feels pretty good as well > > 4 lines on the front preload? correct That's generally right about the stock > setting (at least on GSXR's and I believe RF's)...always worked pretty > good for me as well in that general vicinity. Yes it is, if not very close have tried other settings and like the feel of this position best > > Front rebound is about 1/2 turn stiffer than me, but I think the TL's > riding position puts a bit more weight bias to the front so stiffer may > be better. Semms to help keep the tire on the road Stiffer on mine amplified the nasty GSXR tank slappers... not since I had the dampner installed > > Again, front compression is pretty well matched to the rebound. Thank you > Your description of setting the bikes sag is a little off though. You > want front and rear preload set so that when the rider is on in full > gear, the bike sags about 24-26mm, which is around 1 1/4 inch In setting it the way I described , the bike will sag almost the amount you specify atleast in the rear. Have not looked at the amount that it sags in the front though > Overall the settings look pretty decent. I think the absolute best way > to set the suspension settings is to take your tools with you and find a > nice stretch a few miles long. Run through it, think about what the > bike is doing, make minor adjustments (one at a time) that you think > will make things better, then run through the same exact stretch again, > taking as close to the same lines as possible, compare, repeat till your > happy. Always take notes, so you can revert back to better settings > each if the new ones don't work out. exactly it will take some time and a lot of feeling out the feedback from the bike > > I suspect Craig/Jack (and me) will end up with settings taht are > painfully stiff for cruising/commuting speeds but that will rock at > speed. Which is the object , to be as comfortable at speed in the twisties A set up suspension will make you go faster long before that > brutally expensive full system pipe and jet kit. Can he get an AMEN Oh yeah, i forgot to reply to one of you guys earlier posts...Get that > steering damper back on the bike Jack. Please .... ;~) Craig _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 11:24:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17899; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03221 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1c.yahoomail.com (known send1c.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24538 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980707152603.20911.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send1c; Tue, 07 Jul 1998 08:26:03 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 08:26:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Johnston Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? To: Kirk Roy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---Kirk Roy wrote: > > That trip that had been planned for the 4th of July weekend has been > moved to the Aug 8/9 weekend start > on saturday and end on monday. Please make it start on a saturday and end on monday... Mondays are usually less traffic congested and I have a Class all day Friday :~( So for me it needs to be a 3 day starting on saturday Craig _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 11:42:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18241; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03487 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25124 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA29362 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:42:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:42:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Weekend trip Aug 8-10 In-Reply-To: <19980707152603.20911.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ok, I've gotten several votes for a saturday start day and a monday finish so that's what we'll go with (being the 'organizer' endows one with some measure of power, the decision is made). I welcome any suggestions as to the routes to take on the way to and from Princeton, WV. To find Princeton on a map follow I-66w to I-81s to 460w. Princeton is at the intersection of 460 and I-77. We won't be taking that route down there :). We'll most likely stay at the Ramada near 460 and I-77 (where we've gotten group discounts before). I recall $50 per night for 2 people in a 2 bed room. There's a map of one potential sunday route available at: http://members.nova.org/~kirk/4th.jpg I'm going to try to hook up with some of the locals down there and get a fast ride leader and a normal ride leader so that route might be out the window if I can get them to help out. Maybe we can make a ride leader out of a guy down there with a harley sidecar rig. He ought to be able to thouroughly embarrass any of us who think we're actually fast... Anyway, plans will be filling out as the date approaches. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 14:46:05 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA23058; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA08931 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05290 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 328; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:45:15 -0400 Message-ID: <35A26CCA.9377809A@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 14:45:30 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Miles References: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DEB@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You and me both. I wanna see what the resale value of a 10 year old bike with a quarter of a million miles is in the year 2008, just for kicks. I'll probably end up owing them money on the trade! :) Horkster McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > > Ack.. now I feel bad.. I've done 1,500 in a week.. :P - flipped 30,000k > too.. that's my starting point though.. just bought the bike.. I'm going > to run it over 100,000 - I swear it. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 15:31:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24149; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:31:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09878 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:31:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA06949 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA00757 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3L6BBACB>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:31:39 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F285A@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: Kudos to Allied Safe and Lock Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:31:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Upon recommendation of a couple of listers, I took my lock cylinder to these guys to have a new key cut. They originally quoted me $45 plus the cost of the blanks. They didn't have blanks so I had to track them down...that was a near impossible feat, although I did finally get a pair (most places would gladly order a blank for me at $14.75!!!!) for $2.50 each. Allied cut the keys for me in about 20 minutes, and then the bill....$15!!! Woohoo! These guys get all my future locksmith business. Turns out the blanks were too short, but by removing the weather cap at the top of the ignition, I've managed to get them to work..works fine on the gas tank which was the major concern anyhow.... I'm rambling..I'll shut up now :) Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 17:38:07 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26912; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA11653 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA11083 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:37:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 316; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:37:36 -0400 Message-ID: <35A29530.7BCD1507@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 17:37:52 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Sullivan , Linda Tanner CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Two Weeks, Too Fast, and Waaaaay out West References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sean Sullivan wrote: > > Two Weeks, Too Fast And Linda Tanner added: > >Sean's already posted a ride report, but I simply have to add a few >observations from the female perspective.. Welcome back, Folks! Nice write-ups! Wish I could have gone with you. It sounded simply wonderful. Sean, congrats on the SS1K! Make sure and do your paperwork, the IBA license plate frame sure looks great on the back of any bike. I know! :) Feeling any residual aches and pains from all the miles? :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 17:40:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26989; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA11680 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA11206 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:40:29 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WCDa019317 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <51b60850.35a29594@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:39:31 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: tire break in Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 I got a dilema, I got about an inch and a half on either side of my rear tire that I need to break in, the only problem is, Im not sure Im comfortable going that far over until its broken in though. ya see? so how do I break it in? I dont have very good judgement on how far over I am while Im riding so as Im going, I try to lean more and she feels likes she's gonna give out. So, am I just a wussie? probably, but oh well. Anyway, I guess I'll find out after tomorrow nightwhen I get her back from the shop.(thats right jay, tuuune uuuup!! lol) Sean G. Petr "Killer TL-R" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 17:56:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA27313; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA11871 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA11813 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:56:39 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WAFa020769 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:54:28 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: tire break in Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 I recently had a new MEZ1 fitted to the rear and heres what I did: When you are in a lane just swerve back and forth in the lane (when safe of course) until you are sure you have scuffed in that part of the tire. Next find a twisty road that you are comfortable with. Run through it faster and faster while not leaning all the way. The key is to make sure that eventhough you have some new rubber on the road, KEEP some worn in rubber on the road as well. Understand? Usually when riding twisties you wont have all new rubber on the road unless you are scraping pegs and shit. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 18:20:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA27831; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12069 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cais.cais.com (known cais.cais.net [199.0.216.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12622 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (dynamic129.cais.com [207.226.56.129]) by cais.cais.com (8.8.5/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id SAA25964 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:12:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <009f01bdaa0e$301098a0$8138e2cf@wowbager> From: "Mike B." To: Subject: Re: Two Weeks, Too Fast (long) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:17:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 -----Original Message----- From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Monday, July 06, 1998 5:37 PM Subject: Two Weeks, Too Fast (long) >Two Weeks, Too Fast (long) > >. We planted our flag as far west as the Pacific time zone >and claimed the territory for D.C. Cycles. > Sean Sullivan > CBR600 F3 Wow !! Glad you guys had a good time, and made it back safe. Mike B. 1998 ZX 900 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 18:59:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28608; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA12365 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:59:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14054 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.98] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA00102; Tue, 07 Jul 1998 18:59:43 -0400 Message-ID: <00f501bda9fa$9da81b40$6273c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" , "Kirk Roy" Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 8-10 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:57:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >Ok, I've gotten several votes for a saturday start day and a monday finish >so that's what we'll go with (being the 'organizer' endows one with some >measure of power, the decision is made). Yes! I like it! Laser surgery is scheduled for -next week- (July 15) so no conflict is seen. I'll be there WITHOUT GLASSES!!! Bruce From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 21:22:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00941; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 21:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13501 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 21:22:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16634 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 21:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (rave@XXXXXX [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA02185 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 21:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A2F4A6.5A95@mnsinc.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 21:25:10 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Chain Tool Help Needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey DC Guys & Gals, Would anyone be kind enough to let me borrow/use one of those special tools to fasten the master link on a new 530 SO chain? I really do need to replace my current chain (22.5K miles !) I'm off the next few days so whatever time/place is covenient for you... ;^D TIA -- JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 21:26:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA00979; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 21:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13525 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 21:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16703 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 21:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.154] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA00347; Tue, 07 Jul 1998 21:26:50 -0400 Message-ID: <35A28174.38333B75@anent.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 21:13:41 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Sean Petr" , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Craig, send those suspension settings again References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > So does this get the "wallow" out of the beast, that motorcyclylist magazine > was talking about? I have a 98 tlr, and wanna adjust mine, but that rotary > damper in the rear looks awfully intimidating. Don't let the damper intimidate you . My suggestion would be to try adjusting one item at a time and riding a section of road several times to get the feel of the changes you have made.Take note of the original setting first so that you can go back to them if you don't like the changes you have made. The only way to find out what will help is too mess with it. I checked out a TLR today and based on what I saw , It is very similar to the TL so these settings may be VERY helpful indeed, seeing as they do have alot in common .And as Colin put it my settings were very close to what he sets his GSX-R with which is also very similar.The TLR is a mix of the two chassis so there you have it. :~)Hope that this has been helpful. I would be more than happy to assist you anytime if I can. Craig > > > Sean > 98 tlr From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 7 23:46:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA02914; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:46:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19016 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19330 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:45:55 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WTKOa11435 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:44:17 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:44:17 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Vacuum gauge....PLEASE Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 Does anyone have a vacuum gauge? Its the little thing you use for carb syncing..... or throttle body sync in this case. Does anyone have one that I may borrow for a short time so I can sync my throttle bodies? Id be happy to pick it up. Just dont want to pay $140 for the dealer to do it. Thanks Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 00:45:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA04075; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20418 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20076 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (known camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA10341 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (user-38lcjsd.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.79.141]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA19074; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:44:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:44:40 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDAA09.971671A0.zellto@mindspring.com> From: "Thomas W.Zell" Reply-To: "zellto@XXXXXX" To: "'Sean Sullivan'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Two Weeks, Too Fast (long) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:44:39 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Congrats on a trip well done!!! Glad to see that you guys are back! -Tom '86 VFR750r -----Original Message----- From: Sean Sullivan [SMTP:MINEREG@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 06, 1998 8:22 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Two Weeks, Too Fast (long) Two Weeks, Too Fast (long) Warning: This report was edited for space and is still way long! Hello D.C. Cycles! Linda Tanner and I reentered the metropolitan area Sunday after more than two weeks out West. The final count was 19 states and I believe Linda's GPS read about 6,500 miles. We left Todd Peer out there as he has another week of vacation. Linda left for New Mexico on June 17. Todd and I left the next day. An electrical short almost grounded Todd's ST1100, but he was there at the Rosslyn Amoco at our scheduled departure time of 3pm. Leon Begeman was there as well, having taken it upon himself to sign our witness forms for the Saddle Sore 1000 and escort us out the congested I-66. Todd and I arrived at 11pm in Knoxville, Tenn., without much drama and took a four-hour nap. About 20 minutes after we shoved off, lightning lit up the darkness and we were pounded by rain for the next three hours. I could barely make out the 18-wheelers, much less the ST. The weather cleared and we cruised passed Graceland into a hot Arkansas. We took one of our few leisurely stops at Wendy's for lunch and arrived in Little Rock within the appointed 24 hours. Todd's buddy Scott (also on an ST) signed our papers and took us out to a Mexican restaurant, the first of many for us. The next day Scott took us on a few curves going over Magazine Mtn. in the Ozarks before Todd and I went back to the slab on I-40. We drove through to Elk City, Okla., just shy of Texas. We stayed at a motel and went out to the country bar next door with some truckers we met at the pool. The next day we made it through the desert to the cooler mountains around Taos, N.M. We rolled into a parking lot at the Sagebrush Inn crowded with bikes for the Honda Sport Touring Assn. rally. Linda saw us and told me I looked like shit. She and her CBR600 F3 had arrived the day before. The next three days we spent in Taos. We met a bunch of Todd's acquaintances from HSTA, and Linda's fans from the CBR list who came from Texas, California and Minnesota. Linda was impressed with the muscles of a Minnesota guy on a Fat Boy. One of the CBR listers, a local named Raven, took us on some of her favorite roads. We saw ex-racer Freddie Spencer and sampled the Triumph demo bikes. On the last day, while we packed to leave, one of the Minnesota crew crashed during a canyon sprint and broke his collar bone, which kept the Minnesota guys in Taos for another day. Linda, Todd and I rode with the California riders as far as Durango, Colo., then we turned north up the Million Dollar Highway and looped back down to Cortez. The highway was spectacular, twisting through the southern Rockies. We kept the revs high to overcome the high-altitude stumble that we first noticed before Taos. The next day we saw cliff dwellings and curves on Mesa Verde. In the following days, we went to the Grand Canyon, rode past a traffic jam at Hoover Dam with a band of Harley riders, parked the bikes for a night at Circus Circus in Las Vegas, and explored Zion, Bryce Canyon and Escalante National Parks in Utah. The soft rubber which replaced my rear tire on the Deals Gap trip was showing belt by the time of Zion. Todd and Linda escorted me into St. George, Utah, where we had some tasty pizza while the local shop replaced the tire. There we observed the height and athleticism of the Utah women, and Todd and I were impressed with their upbringing. Approaching the four-day buffer zone we needed to return, Linda and I left Todd at the mercy of the Utah women. We headed back east on I-70, taking a detour to run up and over Independence Pass in Colorado. We had a pretty good system going. We'd ride for a 600-mile day and then have a couple beers. Linda had a CB and radar detector in her bionic tank bag. She heard two truckers talking about us. One trucker said his back would break if he rode one of those things, and the other said "And look at all the shit on them!" Sorry to take up so much space, but it was a good trip. We planted our flag as far west as the Pacific time zone and claimed the territory for D.C. Cycles. Sean Sullivan CBR600 F3 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 01:49:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA04634; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 01:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA21101 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 01:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA20747 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 01:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA24692; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 01:45:42 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 01:40:39 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Crow Bar Info To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey all, It's official.Found this on the web. Washington, D.C.'s Biker Bar Closes Washington, D.C. [American M/C Network] After almost seven years at its 20th Street location, Washington, D.C.'s biker bar, the Crow Bar is closing its doors. The building's new landlords notified Crow Bar Owner,Steve Zarpas, that he had to leave by the end of June. The bar has resided in a 50-year old rowhouse whose destruction makes way for a large office building planned for the site. After scouting for other locations, including in Virginia, for more than a year, Zarpas has decided to keep the bar in D.C. "D.C.'s about to reestablish itself as a great city, and I want to stay right downtown and be part of it." Possible new sites include some near the original location and if that works out, the "Crow Bar Volume II" may open this September. Zarpas and the Crow Bar have established themselves as a staple of Memorial Day activities in D.C. with an annual pre-Rolling Thunder Block Party drawing thousands bikers that are in D.C. for the Ride to the Wall. Through out riding season, Saturday nights are known as "bike night" at the Crow Bar. Enthusiasts of all types can be found mixing with the local and college crowd that are also Crow Bar fans. - www.americanmotor.com - The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 07:35:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA07434; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 07:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23869 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 07:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA24587 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 07:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 07:35:29 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DF4@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Crow Bar Info Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 07:33:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You mean it WASN'T official while I was there whooping it up with the rest of them on that rainy Saturday night? I coulda swore they were giving away liquor so they didn't have to stash it someplace (yes, I'm serious). Hrrmmmm.. maybe nothing's 'official' untill it's written in the 'news' somewhere... funny. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 08:27:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA08668; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24111 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:27:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25192 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm1-11.dial.nova.org (pm1-11.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.139]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id IAA18071 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:27:39 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: George Washington National Forest web site Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 12:30:00 GMT Message-ID: <35af65dc.1199937325@mailgate.nova.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is a web site for the forest. This is one of the forests we pass through on US33/US250. There are bunches of off road trails (including fire roads that could be traversed with a normal street bike). The url is: http://www.fs.fed.us/gwjnf/ Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 09:11:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09102; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24572 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1b.yahoomail.com (known send1b.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25941 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980708131115.14080.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send1b; Wed, 08 Jul 1998 06:11:15 PDT Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 06:11:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Johnston Subject: Mayor Barry To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From Our Capital’s Mayor >>> > > >>> > > > > Proud to live in (or near) DC..... >>> > > > > >>> > > > > “The contagious people of Washington have stood firm against >>> > > > > diversity during this long period of increment weather.” >>> > > > > - M. Barry, >>> > > > > Mayor of Washington, DC >>> > > > > >>> > > > > “I promise you a police car on every sidewalk.” >>> > > > > - M. Barry, >>> > > > > Mayor of Washington, DC >>> > > > > >>> > > > > “If you take out the killings, Washington actually has a >>> > > > > very very low crime rate.” >>> > > > > - M. Barry, >>> > > > > Mayor of Washington, DC >>> > > > > >>> > > > > “First, it was not a strip bar, it was an erotic club. And >>> > > > > second, what can I say? I’m a night owl.” >>> > > > > - M. Barry, >>> > > > > Mayor of Washington,DC >>> > > > > >>> > > > > “Bitch set me up.” >>> > > > > - M. Barry, >>> > > > > Mayor of Washington, DC >>> > > > > >>> > > > > “I am clearly more popular than Reagan. I am in my third >>> > > > > term. Where’s Reagan? Gone after two! Defeated by George Bush >>> > > > > and Michael Dukakis no less.” >>> > > > > - M. Barry, >>> > > > > Mayor of Washington, DC >>> > > > > >>> > > > > “The laws in this city are clearly racist. All laws are >>> > > > > racist. The law of gravity is racist.” >>> > > > > - M. Barry, >>> > > > > Mayor of Washington, DC >>> > > > > >>> > > > > “I am making this trip to Africa because Washington is an >>> > > > > international city, just like Tokyo, Nigeria or Israel. As >>> > > > > mayor, I am an international symbol. Can you deny that to >>> Africa?” >>> > > > > - M. Barry, >>> > > > > Mayor of Washington, DC >>> > > > > >>> > > > > “People have criticized me because my security detail is >>> > > > larger than the president’s. But you must ask yourself: are there >>> > > > more people who want to kill me than who want to kill the >>> president? >>> > >>> > > > I can assure you there are.” >>> > > > > - M. Barry, >>> > > > > Mayor of Washington, DC >>> > > > > >>> > > > > “The brave men who died in Vietnam, more than 100% of which >>> > > > > were black, were the ultimate sacrifice.” >>> > > > > - M. Barry, >>> > > > > Mayor of Washington, DC >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > “I read a funny story about how the Republicans freed the >>> > > > > slaves. The Republicans are the ones who created slavery by law >>> in >>> > > > > the 1600’s. Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves and he was not a >>> > > > > Republican.” >>> > > > > - M. Barry, >>> > > > > Mayor of Washington, DC >>> > > > > >>> > > > > “What right does Congress have to go around making laws just >>> > > > > because they deem it necessary?” >>> > > > > - M. Barry, >>> > > > > Mayor of Washington, DC >>> > > > > >>> > > > > “People blame me because these water mains break, but I ask >>> > > > > you, if the water mains didn’t break, would it be my >>> responsibility >>> > > > > to fix them then? WOULD IT!?!” >>> > > > > - M. Barry, >>> > > > > Mayor of Washington, DC >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > “I am a great mayor; I am an upstanding Christian man; I am >>> > > > > an intelligent man; I am a deeply educated man; I am a humble >>> man.” >>> > > > > - M. Barry, >>> > > > > Mayor of Washington, DC >>> > > > > >> > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 09:14:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09126; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:14:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA24611 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26017 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:14:51 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DF8@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Coloured Hands.. Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:13:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Really, I LIKE having kinda purplish hands from the leather die in my gloves when they get wet.. and Wet they got this morning. It was raining so hard in MD when I left at 6:30 this morning that CARS were pulling off under the underpasses.. and I trudged along at 70 or so.. feeling the front end push to and fro as it'd hit a large puddle. Made for an exciting ride to work.. and actually, here at work I'm soaked. My 'Stich didn't do Jack for my this morning - it's almost as if the rain came right through the fabric - and I had everything buttoned up = as I usualy do. Maybe it's time to buy a rainsuit to put over the = 'Stich.. argh, more money I don't have to spend.. On another note, I really need to start riding on the track.. I noticed last night that my rear tire's worn all the way to the edge - no shiny spots left on either the right or left sides in back (150/70/18 ME1 CompK). I didn't think I was pushing very hard.. but I guess I was. Kinda strange that the fron still has =BC" left on both sides with no wear... maybe I should drop it from a 120 to a 110 - quickent the stearing up a tad, and have more equal wear on front and rear tires..=20 Anyway.. I'm going to stop my little ramble and go back to work..=20 Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 09:33:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09297; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25290 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send101.yahoomail.com (known send101.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.87]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26438 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980708133317.24542.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send101.yahoomail.com; Wed, 08 Jul 1998 06:33:17 PDT Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 06:33:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Johnston Subject: Coleman Sucks To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well after hearing all of you , I decided it's finally time for me to bitch... After repeatedly having my bike worked on under warranty 4 times at coleman for the same problem , I have continuely found parts damaged and bolts loose!!! They scratched the right exhaust can , which "was new" , in several places. I found the STEERING DAMPER mounting bolts to be extremely loose and almost ready to fall out ;~( A broken off bolt in the radiator for the left fairing mount that has been drilled out but not easy-outed and re-tapped , they just left the hole empty. Last night I went to change the oil and the OIL DRAIN BOLT was finger tight. Just what I always wanted a oil slick occurring under my back tire while I am riding. ;~( The right side engine cover that they replaced had THREE BOLTS READY TO FALL OUT , only held in by 2-3 threads , and several others that varied in tightness ranging from barely tight to extremely tight. I am totally disgusted with their service and sloppy work. I have also noted these facts to Mr. Coleman , Jesse the service manager, and the SUZUKI REP in california. Sorry to vent...But I haVE HAD IT !!! Craig _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 09:53:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09497; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25886 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26780 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19294; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:53:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3P9699Z8>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:54:22 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F285E@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Craig Johnston'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Coleman Sucks Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:54:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Craig, I'm sure I can dig up contact info For Mr. Coleman and their service department, but could you please pass along the contact info that you used for American Suzuki? I'd love to add my voice and send them a letter documenting my many problems with them... Collin > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig Johnston [SMTP:tleatsducks@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 9:44 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Coleman Sucks > > I am totally disgusted with their service and sloppy work. I have also > noted these facts to Mr. Coleman , Jesse the service manager, and the > SUZUKI REP in california. > > Sorry to vent...But I haVE HAD IT !!! > > Craig > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 10:01:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09599; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26166 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26961 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807081401.KAA26961@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ABC744702CA; Wed, 08 Jul 1998 10:01:43 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 10:03:58 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Coloured Hands.. In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DF8@hqmail04.hecsa.usac e.army.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:13 AM 7/8/98 -0400, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: >Really, I LIKE having kinda purplish hands from the leather die in my >gloves when they get wet.. and Wet they got this morning. Blech. I can relate to that (only mine get red, 'cause I wear red gloves). I wear "waterproof" Goretex overmitts - they aren't really waterproof, of course, but they keep me dry for the commute - it's just 30 min. >here at work I'm soaked. >My 'Stich didn't do Jack for my this morning - it's almost as if the >rain came right through the fabric - and I had everything buttoned up as >I usualy do. Maybe it's time to buy a rainsuit to put over the 'Stich.. >argh, more money I don't have to spend.. Sorry to hear that. My Aerostich did wonderfully this morning. I was a little worried since I've removed my windscreen for more summer cooling, but I was dry. If your suit's flaps are all correct, perhaps it's time for some spray waterproofing. Scotchguard helps, Camp Dry is better but is smelly. I used NikWax wash-in stuff the last time I washed the suit (when I changed to summer armor) and it's working quite well. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 10:19:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09786; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26438 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27357 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:19:39 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id KAA19356 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:19:25 -0400 Message-Id: <199807081419.KAA19356@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:19:25 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:19:25 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:19:25 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:17:15 -0400 Subject: Coleman Sucks To: tleatsducks@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980708133317.24542.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME hey been there done that...don't expect any sympathy from Colemans employees..they just gave me a blank look when I complained.. ...I had a fork seal go bad on me so I (innocently) went to Coleman for repairs.. ...$295 and three days later, I picked it up and drove home, at the VERY FIRST SIGNAL LIGHT IN FALLS CHURCH, my forks bottomed out and oil squirted OVER MY HEAD from the forks!!!!! I very carefully drove the bike back AND THEY FREAKING ACCUSED ME OF TAMPERING WITH THE SEALS!!! I told them I had just left, not more than 5 minutes earlier, how the hell could *I* have done anything to them? They refused, including the manager, to even look at it unless I willingly PAID them $150 in labor "to check things out". I left the bike there, and got a ride home, and called Honda Corp of America. I was assigned an investigator that told me that they have had numerous complaints about Coleman and was ready to pull their francise rights to sell Honda products. To make a long story short, Honda basically ordered them to check the seals at their own expense and with a Honda rep there in the shop, FOUND OUT THAT THE MECHANIC HAD INSTALLED THE SEALS IN UPSIDE DOWN!!!...even after all that the idiots not only did not apoligize to me, (after several phone conference sessions, lasting FOUR weeks between me, Honda, and Colemans), but they also outright accused me of not only tampering with the seals but lying about them! So..after almost a total of five weeks, I had a bike that finally had it's fork seals replaced and the worst taste in my mouth about a dealership I have ever had..and the icing on the cake was that they didn't even clean the oil off the bike when I came to pick it up! There were greasy fingerprints all over the tank, they left the bike outside without a cover and it was coated with dirt, grime, fork oil and dirty fingerprints...I mentioned that to them and they said it was THAT WAY WHEN I DROPPED IT OFF!!! god..everytime I remember that little episode it just twists my shorts.. >:-( -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 10:27:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09917; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26512 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27500 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:27:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA20261 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:26:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA16877 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:26:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980708142652.YTY5552@XXXXXX> for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:26:52 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Summer Armor? Was: Coloured Hands.. Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:26:47 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bdaa7c$71c8e5e0$325420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199807081401.KAA26961@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal What, pray tell, is summer armor?? BTW, my 'stich kept me dry this morning, but it's new (but doesn't look new anymore) and it didn't rain that hard. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze Chris Norloff said: I used NikWax wash-in stuff the last time I washed the suit (when I changed to summer armor) and it's working quite well. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 10:51:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10532; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27061 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (known smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.42]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28252 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:51:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.server.ibm.com (relay3.server.ibm.com [9.14.2.100]) by smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA61364; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:40:05 -0400 Received: from US.IBM.COM (d04lms01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.164.193]) by relay3.server.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA25088; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:44:36 -0400 Received: by US.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D04AU003 id 5040100020160604; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:53:39 -0400 From: Tom Knapik To: , Subject: Re: Coloured Hands.. Message-ID: <5040100020160604000002L042*@MHS> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:53:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Chris Norloff wrote: >I used NikWax wash-in stuff the last time I washed the suit (when >I changed to summer armor) and it's working quite well. Hmmmmmm, never heard of this NikWax wash-in stuff...... where can I get some? Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 ---------------------- Forwarded by Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM on 07-08-98 10:45 AM --------------------------- Please respond to cnorloff@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Re: Coloured Hands.. At 09:13 AM 7/8/98 -0400, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: >Really, I LIKE having kinda purplish hands from the leather die in my >gloves when they get wet.. and Wet they got this morning. Blech. I can relate to that (only mine get red, 'cause I wear red gloves). I wear "waterproof" Goretex overmitts - they aren't really waterproof, of course, but they keep me dry for the commute - it's just 30 min. >here at work I'm soaked. >My 'Stich didn't do Jack for my this morning - it's almost as if the >rain came right through the fabric - and I had everything buttoned up as >I usualy do. Maybe it's time to buy a rainsuit to put over the 'Stich.. >argh, more money I don't have to spend.. Sorry to hear that. My Aerostich did wonderfully this morning. I was a little worried since I've removed my windscreen for more summer cooling, but I was dry. If your suit's flaps are all correct, perhaps it's time for some spray waterproofing. Scotchguard helps, Camp Dry is better but is smelly. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 11:13:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11114; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27506 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29168 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807081513.LAA29168@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ACBE27F0152; Wed, 08 Jul 1998 11:14:06 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 11:08:23 -0400 To: Tom Knapik , From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Coloured Hands.. In-Reply-To: <5040100020160604000002L042*@MHS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I *think* Art Crow might have some in his shop (Riders Accessory Warehouse in Falls Church, VA). I bought mine mailorder from Aerostich with some other things. The wash-in stuff was easy to use (wash the suit, then run another cycle with the stuff in the machine). It did seem to make the suit a little softer. NiKWax also makes a rub-in waterproofing for boots that is no better than other stuff I've tried, like Snoseal. Chris Norloff ************************************************************* At 10:53 AM 7/8/98 -0400, Tom Knapik wrote: >Chris Norloff wrote: >>I used NikWax wash-in stuff the last time I washed the suit (when >>I changed to summer armor) and it's working quite well. > >Hmmmmmm, never heard of this NikWax wash-in stuff...... where can I get some? > > > > >Regards, >Tom Knapik >E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX >Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 > > >---------------------- Forwarded by Tom Knapik/Bethesda/IBM on 07-08-98 10:45 AM > --------------------------- >Please respond to cnorloff@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >cc: >Subject: Re: Coloured Hands.. > > >At 09:13 AM 7/8/98 -0400, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: >>Really, I LIKE having kinda purplish hands from the leather die in my >>gloves when they get wet.. and Wet they got this morning. > >Blech. I can relate to that (only mine get red, 'cause I wear red gloves). > I wear "waterproof" Goretex overmitts - they aren't really waterproof, of >course, but they keep me dry for the commute - it's just 30 min. > >>here at work I'm soaked. >>My 'Stich didn't do Jack for my this morning - it's almost as if the >>rain came right through the fabric - and I had everything buttoned up as >>I usualy do. Maybe it's time to buy a rainsuit to put over the 'Stich.. >>argh, more money I don't have to spend.. > >Sorry to hear that. My Aerostich did wonderfully this morning. I was a >little worried since I've removed my windscreen for more summer cooling, >but I was dry. If your suit's flaps are all correct, perhaps it's time for >some spray waterproofing. Scotchguard helps, Camp Dry is better but is >smelly. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 11:13:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11118; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:13:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27510 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29171 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807081513.LAA29171@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ACBD27F0152; Wed, 08 Jul 1998 11:14:05 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 11:03:41 -0400 To: "Dc-Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Summer Armor? Was: Coloured Hands.. In-Reply-To: <000201bdaa7c$71c8e5e0$325420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> References: <199807081401.KAA26961@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Aerostich rate-sensitive foam with hard armor over it. The foam is soft when pushed, hard when hit. But it's also temperature sensitive and gets very uncomfortable in the winter - so I use the Aerostich winter pads then. Chris Norloff ********************************************************* At 10:26 AM 7/8/98 -0400, Linda Tanner wrote: >What, pray tell, is summer armor?? > >BTW, my 'stich kept me dry this morning, but it's new (but doesn't look new >anymore) and it didn't rain that hard. > >LindaT. >95 F3 Purple Haze > >Chris Norloff said: > >I used NikWax wash-in stuff the last time I washed the suit (when >I changed to summer armor) and it's working quite well. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 11:14:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11124; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:14:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27520 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29183 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:14:20 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DFB@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: waterproofing Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:12:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, my 'Stich IS a year old.. and I've never waterproofed it.. recommendations are truly welcome.. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 11:20:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11202; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27753 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:20:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29430 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id LAA20285 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA15932 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:19:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980708151941.BIDV5552@XXXXXX> for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:19:41 -0500 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Colored Hands.. Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:19:40 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bdaa83$d37f1280$325420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <5040100020160604000002L042*@MHS> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Riderwearhouse or REI. Tom Knapik asked: Hmmmmmm, never heard of this NikWax wash-in stuff...... where can I get some? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 11:29:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11312; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28220 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:29:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29742 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807081529.LAA29742@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A05929A0152; Wed, 08 Jul 1998 11:29:29 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 11:32:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: More NikWax waterproofing info Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" http://www.nikwax-usa.com/ Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 11:31:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11367; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28274 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29862 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA21263 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:31:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: waterproofing In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DFB@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > Well, my 'Stich IS a year old.. and I've never waterproofed it.. > recommendations are truly welcome.. I've used all manner of spray on stuff and found them all to be pretty equivalent. My wife no longer tolerates me doing this in the house... There are a few products available at REI and other outdoor stores. Nikwax is available at REI, along with the normal spray on stuff. Last time I washed the suit I tried something different, I forget the name but I bought it at REI... You wash your suit and, while it's still wet, spray this stuff on. Then, you put the suit in the dryer and the waterproofing is activated. It was about $20 (same as the nikwax since you need 2 bottles of nikwax for one suit). The aerosol can stuff that you spray on while the suit is dry is cheaper (camp dry is only $3 or so at walmart) and does the job just as well, I think. The weak link is still the zippers... A rain suit is a good idea for trips and such. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 11:32:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11380; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28421 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29941 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807081532.LAA29941@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A0FD2A70152; Wed, 08 Jul 1998 11:32:13 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 11:34:42 -0400 To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" , "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: waterproofing In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DFB@hqmail04.hecsa.usac e.army.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My recommendation is to call Aerostich at 1-800-222-1994 and ask them. I can tell you what works for me, but they're the experts, of course. Chris Norloff At 11:12 AM 7/8/98 -0400, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: >Well, my 'Stich IS a year old.. and I've never waterproofed it.. >recommendations are truly welcome.. >Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM >US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 >Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 12:05:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12012; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01388 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:04:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01090 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA24323; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:39:13 -0400 Message-ID: <35A39258.9FF0EFE7@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 11:38:00 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Linda Tanner CC: Dc-Cycles Subject: Re: Summer Armor? Was: Coloured Hands.. References: <000201bdaa7c$71c8e5e0$325420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Linda Tanner wrote: > > What, pray tell, is summer armor?? > Chris Norloff said: > > I used NikWax wash-in stuff the last time I washed the suit (when > I changed to summer armor) and it's working quite well. Standard armor is TF2 (summer armor) $55 Catalog #122 from Aerostich Closed cell foam armor is TF1 (winter) $40 Catalog #121. Both are also available with Hard shell for additional impact protection, for $65 and $50 respectively. Just another way to make an expensive Aerostich even more costly. The really high cost option is to have a separate 'stich for each type of armor. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 12:22:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12182; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01727 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01717 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:21:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA22230 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:21:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Twisties Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ursulina and I have been having a brief discussion about being prepared for the August trip. I thought my wisdom might benefit more than just Ursulina (oh, yes, Craig, I, too, claimed humility - and just try and find someone who can fit more commas in...). On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > I've done Skyline Drive twice so does that count as "twisties"? By no means does that count! Are there corners on Skyline Drive? I don't remember slowing below 50 mph descending on Skyline Drive while riding my bicycle. This is certainly not bragging - it's necessary to be good at descending when you are really slow ascending and you race bicycles. Still, it's been a while since I've been willing to give someone money to let me ride on their road so my opinion is based on memory from a few years ago. > I'll take your advice about US250 west of Stauton. Maybe I'll get Anita > to come with me so we can get some practice. Do it! The first bit of twisties you hit when heading west on US250 from Staunton will combine several things that will give you an idea of a worst case scenario (or best, depending on your point of view). The corners are often banked; the road has a fair bit of patches and bumps in the corners; the corners are tight (similar to Deal's Gap); and you get a whole bunch of them one right after the other. The other roads we'll be hitting on the August trip will mostly have good road surfaces (few, if any patches or bumps) but they will be just as twisty as 250 and the stretches of twisties are longer. The route we'll be doing on Sunday will allow you to cut the day short and/or take lots of breaks so I wouldn't be discouraged if you find US250 difficult. I'd like for anyone planning to do the August trip to be as prepared as they can be. Riding US250 first is a good idea and will add significantly to your preparation. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 12:25:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12217; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01801 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA01835 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807081625.MAA01835@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ADA92C50142; Wed, 08 Jul 1998 12:26:17 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 12:27:38 -0400 To: Dc-Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Summer Armor? Was: Coloured Hands.. In-Reply-To: <35A39258.9FF0EFE7@illuminet.net> References: <000201bdaa7c$71c8e5e0$325420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> What, pray tell, is summer armor?? >Standard armor is TF2 (summer armor) $55 Catalog #122 from Aerostich >Closed cell foam armor is TF1 (winter) $40 Catalog #121. Both are also >available with Hard shell for additional impact protection, for $65 and >$50 respectively. They make hard-shell winter pads now? Great! >Just another way to make an expensive Aerostich even more costly. The >really high cost option is to have a separate 'stich for each type of >armor. I find armor makes an excellent suggestion to family members when they ask what I want for my birthday or Christmas. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 12:42:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12484; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02024 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02419 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:42:51 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DFC@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: Dc-Cycles Subject: 'Stich Armor.. Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:41:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Maybe I never really paid much attention.. but whatever the suit comes with from the factory seems to work great for me, summer or winter. It feels like it's got some sort of hard shell on the outside, nice and soft/padded on the inside. Comfortable.. Leon once mentioned something (as did Chris just a moment ago) about switching out armor - or replacing armor.. I've never found the need. The few times I've pulled the stuff out, it looks almost new. And it's not like this thing hangs in my closet for weeks/months on end between use either - it's worn 6 out of every 7 days, and usualy for a couple hours a day at least. It's stuffed under desks, left on the ground, tossed over chairs and just generaly abused.. but I still don't see anything (well, waterproofing now, over a year later) that needs any sort of addition attention after it's shipped from the factory. Am I just some sort of weird exception, or are there things I'm missing here? Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 12:46:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12511; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02114 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtolympus.ari.net (known mtolympus.ari.net [198.69.192.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02612 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (bee@localhost) by mtolympus.ari.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA29763; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:45:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian E. Ewell" To: Tom Knapik cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coloured Hands.. In-Reply-To: <5040100020160604000002L042*@MHS> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, Tom Knapik wrote: > Chris Norloff wrote: > >I used NikWax wash-in stuff the last time I washed the suit (when > >I changed to summer armor) and it's working quite well. > > Hmmmmmm, never heard of this NikWax wash-in stuff...... where can I get some? > > Regards, > Tom Knapik > E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX > Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 Tom, you can find it in most any outdoors-type store. I've found it at both EMS and Hudson Trail in Gaithersburg, and I expect REI carries it as well. And the wash-in stuff is easy to apply - it doesn't last terribly long, in my experience, but it works pretty well. Brian. bee@XXXXXX '96 VFR750F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 13:03:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12757; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02834 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03222 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <335XVLPQ>; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:06:57 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C404886398@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Thomas H. Gimer'" , Kirk Roy , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:06:45 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Yes, I'm going. He had a brain fart and left me off the list. I already gave him crap for it. :-) And yes I will wash the bike when I get back. And stop for rain too! I think he mentioned on the last ride it will be cheap hotel/motels. Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > But remember the number of people interested in doing the Deals Gap trip? > It was 20+....only 8 even made the first night's campground (not including > cagers). > > Glenn seems to be missing from your list....wasn't he part of the original > plans? Don't worry Glenn, there will be plenty of time to wash the bike > when you get back. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 13:03:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12761; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:03:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA02829 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dadc012.army.mil (known Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03217 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <335XVRSZ>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 06:21:17 -0400 Message-ID: <0F8102434AF9D111A69600805FA7C4048863B3@DADC015> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'John C. Kozyn'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Chain Tool Help Needed Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 06:21:04 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) John, what kind of tool are you referring to? If you're replacing the original chain there will be no master link and you will need a link puller. If its an aftermarket chain just remove the clip on the master link, use a flat head screw driver on the plate, remove the link and the chain should come out easily. If it is the original I think I have one of those tools. Which brand did you buy? I've had the best of luck with the Tsubaki's. A friend once told me they have almost twice the tension strength of an RK. good luck Glenn Dysart dysart@XXXXXX 84 V30 Magna > Would anyone be kind enough to let me borrow/use one of those special > tools to fasten the master link on a new 530 SO chain? I really do need > to replace my current chain (22.5K miles !) > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 13:15:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12913; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03063 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03580 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807081715.NAA03580@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A8F53080142; Wed, 08 Jul 1998 13:14:29 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 13:16:24 -0400 To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" , Dc-Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: 'Stich Armor.. In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DFC@hqmail04.hecsa.usac e.army.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:41 PM 7/8/98 -0400, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: >Maybe I never really paid much attention.. but whatever the suit comes >with from the factory seems to work great for me, summer or winter. It >feels like it's got some sort of hard shell on the outside, nice and >soft/padded on the inside. Comfortable.. Leon once mentioned something >(as did Chris just a moment ago) about switching out armor - or >replacing armor.. I've never found the need. You probably have the stock summer pads, with hard shell. If they don't feel too stiff in the winter, great. I have heard of the summer pads breaking from too much flex when too cold, to it might be worth a check if you've ridden in cold temps (below 30 or 40, I guess). You ride year 'round, right? > The few times I've pulled >the stuff out, it looks almost new. And it's not like this thing hangs >in my closet for weeks/months on end between use either - it's worn 6 >out of every 7 days, and usualy for a couple hours a day at least. It's >stuffed under desks, left on the ground, tossed over chairs and just >generaly abused.. but I still don't see anything (well, waterproofing >now, over a year later) that needs any sort of addition attention after >it's shipped from the factory. Am I just some sort of weird exception, >or are there things I'm missing here? You ride a motorcycle 6 days out of 7, year 'round? Yep, that sounds weird. You fit in just fine. It's a sick world ... I'm a happy guy, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 13:52:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13371; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03591 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA04908 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA24062; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:52:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List , HawkGT Mailing List Subject: Handlebar vibration fixed Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've finally gotten my handlebar vibration problem fixed on my Hawk. I've got el cheapo wiseco pistons in the bike and a larger rear sprocket. Combined with the 'natural' vibration of a v-twin I was getting a lot of vibration. Initially I just pulled the stock bar ends and internal weights and filled the bars with lead. This was better than the stock set-up but still didn't cut the vibes significantly. Yesterday, I picked up a set of bar ends from an ST1100. They did the trick. They're a little bit more than twice the size of the stock bar ends (they're huge) and weigh approximately one ton each. Some glue (don't want them falling out); a couple nuts and bolts; some expansion plugs; the bar ends; and ten minutes was all I needed. Kill your vibes with these big mothers... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 13:57:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13432; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03625 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA05046 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 398; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:56:55 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980708135652.00b128c0@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 13:56:55 -0400 To: Craig Johnston , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: Coleman Sucks Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" After hearing all of the "Coleman sucks" talk, I forwarded a message to a buddy that used to work there. He returned this info on Coleman: ======================= That place is "Known" for its under paid employess and when that occurs you don't quite get the "kid gloves" treatment. Sometimes they get the "Summer Help" to do some of the mechanics mundane work (ie changing oil..replacing fairings, yada yada yada...) These punks aren't even qualified to hold a wrench. Ang GOD forbid if you bitch at them while they are working on your bike, this is like sending your food back at a resturant and telling the cook he sucks and he needs to make your dinner better. What do you think the first thing this guy will do to your food ? Wake up America, assholes everywhere !!! ================= Get a book and a friend and fix it yourself :-) At 06:33 AM 7/8/98 -0700, Craig Johnston wrote: > >Well after hearing all of you , I decided it's finally time for me to >bitch... > >After repeatedly having my bike worked on under warranty 4 times at >coleman for the same problem , I have continuely found parts damaged >and bolts loose!!! > >They scratched the right exhaust can , which "was new" , in several >places. > > I found the STEERING DAMPER mounting bolts to be extremely loose and >almost ready to fall out ;~( > >A broken off bolt in the radiator for the left fairing mount that has >been drilled out but not easy-outed and re-tapped , they just left the >hole empty. > >Last night I went to change the oil and the OIL DRAIN BOLT was finger >tight. Just what I always wanted a oil slick occurring under my back >tire while I am riding. ;~( > >The right side engine cover that they replaced had THREE BOLTS READY >TO FALL OUT , only held in by 2-3 threads , and several others that >varied in tightness ranging from barely tight to extremely tight. > >I am totally disgusted with their service and sloppy work. I have also >noted these facts to Mr. Coleman , Jesse the service manager, and the >SUZUKI REP in california. > >Sorry to vent...But I haVE HAD IT !!! > >Craig > > > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "Welcome to MY reality" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 14:02:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13506; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03751 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05154 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:02:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00533; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3P96997K>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:02:58 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F2863@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN'" , "'John C. Kozyn'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Chain Tool Help Needed Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:02:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain My guess is that he's bought an aftermarket chain that you have a permanent master link that requires pressing on...Put the chain on, insert the special mater link (although you'll never be able to tell which one it is again unless you paint it) then put the ouoter plate on, use said special tool to crimp pins down identical to all the other ones > -----Original Message----- > From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 1:11 PM > To: 'John C. Kozyn'; 'DC Cycles' > Subject: RE: Chain Tool Help Needed > > John, what kind of tool are you referring to? > > > > Would anyone be kind enough to let me borrow/use one of those special > > tools to fasten the master link on a new 530 SO chain? I really do need > > to replace my current chain (22.5K miles !) > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 14:47:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14454; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06351 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA06970 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 215; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:45:53 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980708144548.00992100@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 14:45:53 -0400 To: Craig Johnston , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: Re: Coleman Sucks (again) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My friend got a response from another friend that worked there. Funny in a sad way.... >Tell him he was one of the lucky ones. And all this shit was on a new bike? That's unbe-fuckin-leivable. When things got slow up in sales I would go down to the service department to watch people screaming at the service manager. Those mechanics rotated quicker than an airplane propeller. >I once sold a guy a brand spankin new Gold Wing for about 13 grand. He got an s-load of accesories, helmets, intercoms, the whole bit. I delivered him his new bike and he took off for the beltway. About twenty minutes later he was back, screaming at me that I could have the bike back. When he was on the beltway the whole passenger seat area had blown off the bike and gotten run over by a car. It took me a week to convince him to keep the bike. __________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "Welcome to MY reality" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 17:37:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17494; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA12988 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:37:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo30.mx.aol.com (known imo30.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.74]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA13083 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:37:33 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WGSMa26166 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <18719c2b.35a3e666@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:36:37 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Coleman Sucks Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 I stopped by there today (woodbridge) for a quick favor from them. The first thing out of the techs mouth was "there are no quick favors". I asked him to take out a bolt that I was having trouble with on the oil cooler. He gets down reluctantly and undoes it with some high power hand wrench. I said thanks......he tells me to hold on a sec. He comes back with a bill for $10!!! I was PISSED. I told him that I had bought that machine there, my latest set of tires, and many other doodads. I wasnt gonna pay one fuckin dime to him to take that bolt out. He just looked at me as I wheeled the bike out of the service bay. A moment later, a guy came in wondering out loud how much they charge for service. I told him "an arm and a leg". He left immediately. Thats where to hit them, in the pocketbook since thats all they seem to care about anyway! Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 17:59:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA17704; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA13273 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA13625 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:59:33 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WTSAa20768 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:52:30 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Handlebar vibration fixed Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-07-08 14:00:29 EDT, you write: << Kill your vibes with these big mothers... >> No thanks, I rather enjoy having my hands go to sleep at 6000RPM... Jack PS-tongue in cheek of course From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 18:16:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA17933; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:16:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA13538 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:15:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (known imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14112 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:15:57 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WEAFa29489; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <655c1622.35a3ee83@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:11:14 EDT To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Cc: DC-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Coleman Sucks Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Well I tell you what, Ive been to the one up by ptomac mills only once, that was to buy a filter for my old cb750(still sitting in back of moms garage) and Ive been to the one in falls church too. Ive never had much of a problem with the service guys cause Ive never dealt with them, but the people there take about 15-20minutes of letting you decide if you want to wait any longer before the wait on you. Now, Here is a suggestion for anyone who doesnt mind traveling a few. Up in Brooklyn Park, just south of baltimore, there is a company called Cycle World. I wouldnt buy a bike from em to save my life, but as far as the service guys go, they are great. They have a very knowledgeble staff, all certified. they dont mind if you watch and ask questions, and they know me by name after only going there twice. Now I know it might be a haul for some of you, but I live near annapolis and good service is worth traveling for. Maybe someday I'll have the nerve to crack open the TLR by myself, but not right now, Im gonna get a season or two under her before I mess it up. But seriously, this place is worth going to. I bought my bike at Petes Cycle in Severna Park, but they have a slow turn around rate and charge an arm and a leg. I took my bike up there last night(to CW) at 7pm, and they told me to pick it up around 7 tonight, well here it is 6 and they said to come up and get her. They'd been done for about 2 hours already. WOW. Petes never did that for me. But Pete's does have one of the best Parts guys around. So anyway, Thats my two cents. =) Sean G. Petr 98 Killer TL-R From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 18:24:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA18046; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA13618 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA14314 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:24:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WNNFa20769 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <96fa3f42.35a3f085@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:19:48 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: GT Hawk ad from Wash. Post.....anyone still have it? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Much obliged if someone who still has it kicking around would send it to me. TIA -Sean Jordan '83 VF750F From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 20:42:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20236; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA14579 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17309 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:41:45 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id UAA25604; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:44:03 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma025590; Wed, 8 Jul 98 20:43:36 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-9 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EVS00BJDXWC0P@XXXXXX>; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 8525663C.0003BE0E ; Wed, 08 Jul 1998 20:40:52 -0400 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 20:40:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Coleman Sucks To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Cc: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, DC-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525663C.0003C9CF.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL OK. While we're plugging/bashing dealers, I like to give Freestate Cycle a few kudos. I live in Alex, and travel to Bladensburg to use these guys. Knowledgable service staff, nice sales guys ... I have no idea about bike prices, never bought from them (although I prolly would buy my next one there), but their service rates are *much* less than other shops. To give you an idea how good these guys are: 1) I took the RF there for the major service ... valves, all fluid changed (including fork oil), all adjustments, carb sync, oil, filter, full inspection etc. Cost only ~$300 including parts _and_ I dropped it off on Thurs 5pm, picked it up Fri 5pm. Note, this was around June 20 folks, the height of the riding season. Bike runs excellently. 2) Also talked with them about tires (set of MEZ4s) and they said they would come close to (or match price, plus mounting costs) if I brought them a web page printout. The said they would for sure come in below mail order cost + shipping + mounting. Guess where I am going for tires? 3) Also, when performing the service, they stripped my drain plug bolt. They told me UPFRONT that they did it, apologized, explain how they recut it, wrote it on the service order infront of me, and told me that if I ever had any problems with it, they would fix it for no charge. It's unfortunate that it happened, but I sincerely appreciated their honesty in what seems to be a simple mistake. That alone made them worthy of more business from me. No, I don't work there, or do I know anyone who does, it's just that as easily as I will join in the bashing of a shop that does poorly, I will help recommend or praise the good ones ... --chris PS. They deal in Suzy, Honda, Kawi and Triumph To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX cc: DC-cycles@XXXXXX (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Date: 07/08/98 10:11:14 PM GMT Subject: Re: Coleman Sucks Well I tell you what, Ive been to the one up by ptomac mills only once, that was to buy a filter for my old cb750(still sitting in back of moms garage) and Ive been to the one in falls church too. Ive never had much of a problem with the service guys cause Ive never dealt with them, but the people there take about 15-20minutes of letting you decide if you want to wait any longer before the wait on you. Now, Here is a suggestion for anyone who doesnt mind traveling a few. Up in Brooklyn Park, just south of baltimore, there is a company called Cycle World. I wouldnt buy a bike from em to save my life, but as far as the service guys go, they are great. They have a very knowledgeble staff, all certified. they dont mind if you watch and ask questions, and they know me by name after only going there twice. Now I know it might be a haul for some of you, but I live near annapolis and good service is worth traveling for. Maybe someday I'll have the nerve to crack open the TLR by myself, but not right now, Im gonna get a season or two under her before I mess it up. But seriously, this place is worth going to. I bought my bike at Petes Cycle in Severna Park, but they have a slow turn around rate and charge an arm and a leg. I took my bike up there last night(to CW) at 7pm, and they told me to pick it up around 7 tonight, well here it is 6 and they said to come up and get her. They'd been done for about 2 hours already. WOW. Petes never did that for me. But Pete's does have one of the best Parts guys around. So anyway, Thats my two cents. =) Sean G. 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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 20:49:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA20271; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA14668 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA17446 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm1-14.dial.nova.org (pm1-14.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.142]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA01459 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:49:36 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coleman Sucks but Freestate doesn't Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 00:36:03 GMT Message-ID: <35a90fb7.1244389657@mailgate.nova.org> References: <8525663C.0003C9CF.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> In-Reply-To: <8525663C.0003C9CF.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 08 Jul 1998 20:40:52 -0400, christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: >OK. While we're plugging/bashing dealers, I like to give Freestate = Cycle a >few kudos. Also, they stock a lot of commonly needed parts for bikes that are raced a lot (e.g., they had more than one right crankcase gasket for Hawk GTs in stock). Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 21:08:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20397; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA14817 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA17691 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.54]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 08 Jul 1998 21:05:44 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Danielle L Howell" , "Nancy H Howell" , "Jason A Howell" , "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Online Driving Instructions Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:06:49 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bdaad5$d9df7be0$3680e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 You have got to see this: http://members.aol.com/doggiesnot/ ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 21:41:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA20853; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA15064 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA18087 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.116] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA00526; Wed, 08 Jul 1998 21:41:09 -0400 Message-ID: <35A3D134.507B5015@anent.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 21:06:12 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coleman Sucks References: <18719c2b.35a3e666@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: I told him "an > arm and a leg". He left immediately. > Thats where to hit them, in the pocketbook since thats all they seem to care > about anyway! > > Jack Yeah today when I called the guy in service asked me "what I think they should do for me", to get (win) me back ...I said that I did not think that I wanted them to lay another wrench on my bike after the experiences I've had with them. I said the only thing I know I need right now is a valve adjustment and I don't know that I want it done here , I may just do it myself ; and he still persisted "What do I want them to do for me". like give me a free valve adjustment kinda thing.Well I finally ended the conversation with let me think about it , after talking to him for 20 minutes and emphasizing how piss poor the work has been...and the attitude of the service personnel...... What do you think ??? give them a chance to redeem themselves ??? perhaps with a pair of tires ???? Or let them do a valve adj. ??? Now confused and still pissed ;~( Craig From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 22:27:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21157; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15287 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:27:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18638 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:27:34 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WUYKa17154 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:24:15 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <187200f2.35a429d0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:24:15 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Need Sunstar's number Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Anyone know where I can find the number to Sunstar for a front rotor. Unfortunately, the disk lock demon got me again. Anyway, I want to order direct to save some money. Also, got the bike back from Cycle world today, man, that Tune up made one hell ofa difference. all the lag is gone, and it doesnt lug anymore. Im glad I went with this bike, even though I brought it home in the rain, I could feel the difference from the pre-1st tune-up riding, to after the tune up. Sean G. Petr 98 "Killer TLR" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 22:27:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21162; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:27:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15296 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18641 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:27:49 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WECKa17154 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:19:48 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <41a7f370.35a428c5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:19:48 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Online Driving Instructions Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 That is definately worth checking out. Helped me vent some steam too.. =) Sean G. Petr 98 "Killer TLR" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 22:29:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21169; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15309 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18693 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:29:06 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id FVBGa11468; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:28:24 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <64bac975.35a42ac9@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:28:24 EDT To: peggrinder@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Coleman Sucks Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Just because the guy on the phone was trying to get you back as a customer, doesnt mean the schmucks sticking there tools all up in there will be. they might be mad that you asked for something for free... Trust me, I work on cars all day, and I know how it is when you mess something up and have to do it twice for free. I would just start building raport someplace else. Sean G. Petr 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 22:32:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21205; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15341 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (known camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18741 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (user-38lcmji.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.90.114]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA19542; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:31:50 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDAAC0.3339A320.zellto@mindspring.com> From: "Thomas W.Zell" Reply-To: "zellto@XXXXXX" To: "'Craig'" , "WantAZX6@XXXXXX" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Coleman Sucks Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:31:49 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why not go for both? -Tom -----Original Message----- From: Craig [SMTP:peggrinder@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 4:06 PM To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Coleman Sucks WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: I told him "an > arm and a leg". He left immediately. > Thats where to hit them, in the pocketbook since thats all they seem to care > about anyway! > > Jack Yeah today when I called the guy in service asked me "what I think they should do for me", to get (win) me back ...I said that I did not think that I wanted them to lay another wrench on my bike after the experiences I've had with them. I said the only thing I know I need right now is a valve adjustment and I don't know that I want it done here , I may just do it myself ; and he still persisted "What do I want them to do for me". like give me a free valve adjustment kinda thing.Well I finally ended the conversation with let me think about it , after talking to him for 20 minutes and emphasizing how piss poor the work has been...and the attitude of the service personnel...... What do you think ??? give them a chance to redeem themselves ??? perhaps with a pair of tires ???? Or let them do a valve adj. ??? Now confused and still pissed ;~( Craig From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 22:43:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21357; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15473 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18892 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:43:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id WAA10555; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:42:15 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:42:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: Just Returned Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just returned from my Honeymoon and the 1st message I read is "Coleman Sucks" It seems that was the thread when I left over a week ago. Some things will NEVER change! :-) -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 8 23:25:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21924; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 23:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA15750 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 23:25:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA19542 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 23:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr53-dialup4.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0EVT00FVJ5HIKK@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 03:24:56 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 23:23:17 -0700 From: Dawn & Jon Subject: Re: Vacuum gauge....PLEASE To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <011101bdab02$112eb580$04f037a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 -----Original Message----- From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 8:57 PM Subject: Vacuum gauge....PLEASE >Does anyone have a vacuum gauge? Its the little thing you use for carb >syncing..... >or throttle body sync in this case. Does anyone have one that I may borrow >for a short time so I can sync my throttle bodies? Id be happy to pick it up. >Just dont want to pay $140 for the dealer to do it. > >Thanks >Jack Jack, I have one you can borrow. You could even sync. them here if you want. 8^D Love to hear a TL.......... I'm up in Colombia. It will have to be after 5pm. Jon 410-799-5888 dawn.jon@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 00:16:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA22654; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16806 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20319 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:16:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.43]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 09 Jul 1998 00:13:25 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Craig" , Cc: Subject: RE: Coleman Sucks Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:14:32 -0400 Message-ID: <000701bdaaf0$13311a60$2b80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <35A3D134.507B5015@anent.com> Craig, Get a free pair of tires out of 'em. Or one. Look at the arrow and make sure they mount it correctly. Make sure the calipers are on correctly. Never darken their door again. When an auto mechanic botches something, it's usually an inconvenience. On a bike, it can easily create a life or death situation. One mistake is one too many. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 00:19:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA22722; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA16841 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20369 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.43]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 09 Jul 1998 00:16:32 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Need Sunstar's number Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:17:39 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bdaaf0$82994e40$2b80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <187200f2.35a429d0@aol.com> Can't help you with Sunstar, but for the lock, you might want to get one of those 'Remove Before Flight' banners. Stick it into your ignition lock after putting the u-lock on the rotor. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 01:24:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA23459; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 01:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA17244 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 01:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA21095 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 01:24:26 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WXINa17153 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 01:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <92ce7063.35a453af@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 01:22:54 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: a ride to US250 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 I'm interested in riding on US250, but I'm not exactly sure of how to get there. I want to get some experience on this road and see what I think of it a coupe times before the trip in August. I was thinking of heading down there either Saturday or Sunday morning. I have a commitment Saturday at 4PM so I also need to know how long of a ride it is. Any info is appreciated!! Thanks in advance!! P.S. I'm coming from Frederick, MD and my commitment Saturday is in Oxon Hill, MD. Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 85 Nighthawk 450 (buy me, please!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 07:22:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA26346; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:22:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA19624 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA24502 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id HAA20203; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:20:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:20:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: George Howell cc: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Need Sunstar's number In-Reply-To: <000801bdaaf0$82994e40$2b80e2cf@ghowell> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A 35 mm film canister can also be used when cut appropriately. Put it over the iginigion when the lock is ona nd cut holes in it to put it over the U-lock when the lock is not in use. On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, George Howell wrote: > Can't help you with Sunstar, but for the lock, you might want to get one of > those 'Remove Before Flight' banners. Stick it into your ignition lock after > putting the u-lock on the rotor. > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 08:20:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26980; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20037 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA25680 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:20:25 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170E03@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: 'Stich armor revisited.. Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:18:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ok.. I washed and attempted the waterproof my 'Stich last night.. pulled the armor out and the padding part was getting a little ragged, but it wasn't cracked or anything. Washed the suit with Nikwax non-detergent wash stuff.. then put on some sort of spray and threw it in the drier. I can, um, say it's clean now.. (I forgot my balistic patches were grey!).. then I ripped my pads to shreds putting the armor back into the pockets.. so I suspect I'll be buying some new ones. Sheesh.. I should just left well enough alone and bought some Camp Dry - oh, my suit shrunk to boot, so now it's to tight in the shoulders.. I'm just not going to win, am I? Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 08:59:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27320; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20377 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:59:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from att.com (known kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA26362 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by kcgw1.att.com; Thu Jul 9 07:59 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn72.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.2]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with SMTP id HAA03487 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:59:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn72.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDAB17.DEEF8AC0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:59:24 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'cfagan@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Suzuki Usa Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:59:23 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Collin, When my fork seals started leaking on my Bandit, I wrote Suzuki & told them that I thought it should be covered under warranty. I was surprised when I *actually* received a call from them and we discussed the situation. The warranty rep on the phone first called the shop, (Cycle Sport), and asked the service manager what the situation was. According to the service manager, there was evidence found, (dirt in the oil), when doing the repair that indicated an outside cause for the failure, therefore it would not be covered under warranty. After the rep told me that I said that there wasn't anymore *he* could do so I guess in the end I was satisfied. THE POINT --> it should be worth you time to write to Suzuki, if nothing more than to vent. Unfortunately, I don't have the address anymore since I now have a VFR. (Questions anyone? he he) A quick note to the Suzuki list will get it if you need it. Let me know. Good luck. John Carver '98 VFR GO RIDE!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 09:22:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27509; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21125 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:22:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26806 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA23528 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:23:12 -0400 Message-ID: <35A4C3EE.96DF215B@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 09:21:50 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Coleman Sucks (response in their defense) References: <655c1622.35a3ee83@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been buying most of my parts at Cycles Woodbridge since '86 or so. I've only had service done once (unless you count batteries). Chris in accessories and Coop in parts both know me by name, and have for several years. (So does Richard, but he doesn't work there anymore) I have never had a problem with them. In some cases their parts are more expensive, but with the 15% discount, they're back down to about the same as everyone else. I've also had them take more off for tires when I brought an ad in from a mail order place. As I recall, they split the difference, but they had the tire so I didn't have to wait. If you don't know the people you deal with, they won't want to make a special deal for you. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 09:51:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27861; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21319 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27538 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:51:41 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id JAA06549 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for DC-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:50:57 -0400 Message-Id: <199807091350.JAA06549@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:50:57 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:50:57 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:50:57 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 9:44:09 -0400 Subject: Coleman Sucks (response in their defense) To: mrider@XXXXXX Cc: DC-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35A4C3EE.96DF215B@illuminet.net> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME hmm...let me get this straight..since you're such a good buddy with them, they "give" you a 15% discount so "they're back down to about the same as everyone else"... ...is it just me or is this just the stupidest "consumer compliment" I've ever heard? > I've been buying most of my parts at Cycles Woodbridge since '86 or so. > I've only had service done once (unless you count batteries). Chris in > accessories and Coop in parts both know me by name, and have for several > years. (So does Richard, but he doesn't work there anymore) I have > never had a problem with them. In some cases their parts are more > expensive, but with the 15% discount, they're back down to about the > same as everyone else. I've also had them take more off for tires when > I brought an ad in from a mail order place. As I recall, they split the > difference, but they had the tire so I didn't have to wait. > > If you don't know the people you deal with, they won't want to make a > special deal for you. > > Leon. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 10:02:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27988; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21471 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27842 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:02:21 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WXSHa19317 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19250309.35a4cd1a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:00:57 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Coleman Sucks (response in their defense) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-07-09 09:56:47 EDT, you write: << hmm...let me get this straight..since you're such a good buddy with them, they "give" you a 15% discount so "they're back down to about the same as everyone else"... ...is it just me or is this just the stupidest "consumer compliment" I've ever heard? >> Id agree. And the rest of us just get hosed, right? I really wish we had a better selection of dealers around here. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 10:09:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28063; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA21977 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28023 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 308; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:09:19 -0400 Message-ID: <35A4CF22.6CA06C60@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 10:09:38 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Coleman Sucks (response in their defense) References: <655c1622.35a3ee83@aol.com> <35A4C3EE.96DF215B@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 15%??? I get a 10% since I bought the Concours from them, how does one reach the lofty 15% level? :) FWIW, I think most of Coleman's complaints stem from their Service dept, and in most cases I think it is justified. I'd be extremely reluctant to let them touch my bike again, but I'm fortunate enough to have either enough knowledge and/or lack of fear to work on my bike myself. They stock a lot of parts (I found lots of stuff for my 20+ year old bikes there, ON THE SHELF, and they do have some neat accessories. Prices are high(er), but sometimes I'll pay for the instant availability. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 -- Leon Begeman wrote: > > I've been buying most of my parts at Cycles Woodbridge since '86 or so. > I've only had service done once (unless you count batteries). Chris in > accessories and Coop in parts both know me by name, and have for several > years. (So does Richard, but he doesn't work there anymore) I have > never had a problem with them. In some cases their parts are more > expensive, but with the 15% discount, they're back down to about the > same as everyone else. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 10:16:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28122; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22426 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28182 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:16:28 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WMPQa13456 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7e001730.35a4d098@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:15:51 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Suzuki Usa Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 167 In a message dated 7/9/98 09:08:14 Eastern Daylight Time, jcarver@XXXXXX writes: << According to the service manager, there was evidence found, (dirt in the oil), when doing the repair that indicated an outside cause for the failure, therefore it would not be covered under warranty. >> It strikes me that one of the purposes of the fork seal is to keep dirt OUT of the oil. The mere presence of dirt would indicate a seal failure (and covered under warranty). Michael (also a victim of Suzuki fork seal failure) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 10:36:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28368; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23267 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28846 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:36:19 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170E0A@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: DC Cycles List Subject: Discounts..WAS: Coleman Sucks Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:34:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Weird.. I pay 10% over the shops price on everything I buy.. only been going to my shop for a little over a year. I'm on a first name basis with everyone there, can walk down into the service area without any problem - heck, when I'm trying on helmets or something, just just hand me the keys... I've also spent several thousands of dollars there.. including tires (they know I could save $20 a tire) - but I believe in the local shop... For all my efforts, I'm getting my newest big purchase, which is a set of rotors (front) through them. I need them kinda bad (mine miked out at .24 - tolerances allow for .4 - plus I can see some cracks) - they listed in the book for $160 apiece.. I paid $250 shipped, with a guarentee they'll be here Monday (any quicker and we'd be paying more in shipping than for the rotors themselves). It's nice having a good reputation with a shop.. and you know, I think Freestate's the only other shop I've been to or heard of locally that iis, or sounds, even remotely capable of dealing with my business.. But I'm just one man, with one opinion.. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman Sent: Thursday, July 09, 1998 10:10 AM To: Leon Begeman; DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Coleman Sucks (response in their defense) 15%??? I get a 10% since I bought the Concours from them, how does one reach the lofty 15% level? :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 10:43:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA28438; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23464 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ice.clark.net (known ice.clark.net [168.143.0.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA29074 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by ice.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA20134 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:44:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA18447 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807091443.KAA18447@shell.clark.net> Subject: Bambi is still out there... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:43:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text From: G2V@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:55:21 EDT Subject: LDRider: Home Resting Semi Comfortable George, hope your are recovering well. Would it be alright to forward your message to the DC-Cycles list, as we ride out in that area sometimes? Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/~louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 VCOM | 7th Place, Capitol 1000 louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 11:20:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28912; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24524 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:20:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ice.clark.net (known mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00472 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by ice.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA21425 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:21:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26639 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807091520.LAA26639@shell.clark.net> Subject: Sorry about the message To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:20:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Whoops, sorry about the message, I was going to forward this guy's story about a run in with a deer, but then thought I'd ask him first. I forgot to change the addressing of the message. Louis > George, hope your are recovering well. Would it be alright to forward > your message to the DC-Cycles list, as we ride out in that area sometimes? > > Louis > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/~louis/cycle.htm > Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 VCOM | 7th Place, Capitol 1000 > louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 11:22:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28958; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24545 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00525 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:22:42 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WZGTa04161 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19254a85.35a4e01a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:21:49 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Coleman Sucks Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 In a message dated 98-07-08 17:47:50 EDT, WantAZX6@XXXXXX writes: > Thats where to hit them, in the pocketbook since thats all they seem to care > about anyway! For some reason I seem to do better with them. Maybe its because I don't expect much. I took a girl down to the mall last weekend and ran out of gas right in front of Colemans in Falls Church. After a lame joke about running out of gas on a date I pushed/coasted into Colemans and they fixed me up with gas no problem. No charge either. Some sales guy did remind me to buy my next new bike there and it turns out they use mid-grade instead of high test but I couldn't complain. Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 11:31:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29073; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24664 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA00779 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA27230; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:31:47 -0400 Message-ID: <35A4E211.46867EF4@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 11:30:25 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: NJitzul@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: a ride to US250 References: <92ce7063.35a453af@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's a pretty aggressive plan. US250 is a long way away from both your start and end points. To finish by 4PM, and have a couple of hours for stops you'd need to start not later than 5AM Here's one option that will let you get it done. The route is 470 miles total, 190 miles are on on US250 and US219 the rest are mostly on Interstate. (5AM) I70 West to Hancock, MD and (6AM) I68 West to Exit 14 and (7AM) US219 South to Elkins, WV and (9 or 10 AM)US250 East Follow US 250 to Staunton, VA (NLT 1PM) I81 North to Exit 300 (NLT 2:15) I-66 East to Capitol Beltway (NLT 3:15) I-495 South across Wilson Bridge to Oxon Hill Arrive 4PM in Oxon Hill. If you need to be able to think or be sociable when you arrive in Oxon Hill, you should reconsider this route. Leon. NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > > I'm interested in riding on US250, but I'm not exactly sure of how to get > there. I want to get some experience on this road and see what I think of it a > coupe times before the trip in August. I was thinking of heading down there > either Saturday or Sunday morning. I have a commitment Saturday at 4PM so I > also need to know how long of a ride it is. Any info is appreciated!! Thanks > in advance!! > > P.S. I'm coming from Frederick, MD and my commitment Saturday is in Oxon Hill, > MD. > > Robert VanSlyke > 83 Shadow 750 > 85 Nighthawk 450 (buy me, please!) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 11:51:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29269; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24991 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01304 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA11169 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:51:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: a ride to US250 In-Reply-To: <35A4E211.46867EF4@illuminet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Leon Begeman wrote: > That's a pretty aggressive plan. US250 is a long way away from both > your start and end points. To finish by 4PM, and have a couple of hours > for stops you'd need to start not later than 5AM I don't think quite such an ambitious plan is required. If you'd like a nice full day of riding that plan works. If you'd just like to sample US250 then take the interstates down there, take US250 as far west as necessary to ride the twisties (it's pretty obvious when you've hit the right point), and then turn around and get back on the interstates. No, it wouldn't make for the most enjoyable day of riding but it would do the trick if you're just wanting to try out a good section of twisties on a limited time schedule. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 11:58:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA29332; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25100 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA01496 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA28016; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:58:53 -0400 Message-ID: <35A4E867.9D3CB7C@illuminet.net> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 11:57:27 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Coleman Sucks (response in their defense) References: <655c1622.35a3ee83@aol.com> <35A4C3EE.96DF215B@illuminet.net> <35A4CF22.6CA06C60@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just waited and spent a lot of money. Maybe you could ask for it. Leon. Dale Horstman wrote: > > 15%??? I get a 10% since I bought the Concours from > them, how does one reach the lofty 15% level? :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 12:11:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29868; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:11:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25583 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02315 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA11542 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:11:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Weekend trip, Aug 8-10 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Here's some more banter between Ursulina and I that I thought might be useful for others to consider. Also, I'm pretty sure that we'll have some locals to tag along/lead. I spoke with Bill Sowers (HSTA director for WV/VA) and he's interested. He lives right in Princeton and is the one who turned me on to the area. I'm trying to get him to lead the normal group. He knows the area quite intimately. Kirk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:02:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: "Viteri, Ursulina" Subject: RE: Twisties On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Viteri, Ursulina wrote: > Thanks Kirk! I've been chatting with Anita and we're going to get in as > much twisty riding as we can before August. If, for some reason, I just > don't feel up to the challenge of 3 days of riding this way, I'll let > everyone know. Again, thanks for the advice. :-) There are other options besides just not coming. They included using the highway to get to and/or to leave Princeton (about a 6 hour highway ride), riding down with the group on the twisty roads (there will be a lot of not twisty riding on the way to/from Princeton, too) but then resting on Sunday and then riding back with the group, etc. I think there are enough potential options to make the trip reasonably comfortable for most people, including you! Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 12:19:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA29958; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25823 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send101.yahoomail.com (known send101.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.87]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA02540 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980709161848.22547.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send101.yahoomail.com; Thu, 09 Jul 1998 09:18:48 PDT Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:18:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Johnston Subject: Re: Coleman Sucks (response in their defense) To: Leon Begeman , Dale Horstman Cc: DC Cycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---Leon Begeman wrote: > > I just waited and spent a lot of money. > Leon. > > Dale Horstman wrote: how does one reach the lofty 15% level? :) > Dont forget to take that jar of vasoline with you ... _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 12:51:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA00377; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA27238 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:51:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA03498 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:51:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807091651.MAA03498@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A4DF11501AC; Thu, 09 Jul 1998 12:50:39 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 12:41:50 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: D.C. Police Win Motorcycle Competition Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" from http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/m-district.html D.C. Police Win Motorcycle Competition Five members of the special operations division of the D.C. police department won first place in the fourth annual Northeast police motorcycle safety competition, held last month in Teaneck, N.J. The winning team comprised Lt. Eric J. Mines and Officers Victor Young, Kim Allen, John P. McArdle and Marcus Boddie. The team competed against motorcycle officers from 25 agencies in the Northeast region of the country. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 13:01:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00526; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA28275 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA03769 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:00:44 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id SXUQa13455; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <72dd8673.35a4f6f3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:58:50 EDT To: kirk@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: a ride to US250 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Except for inclement weather, I always enjoy riding! Highways and interstates are fine by me. I grew up doing long road trips, so they don't faze me :) I'm going to ride on Sunday anyway, so I can experience some roads other than just US 250. Thanks! Robert VanSlyke From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 14:01:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01435; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02511 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05546 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA28276; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:01:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:01:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: Chris Norloff cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: D.C. Police Win Motorcycle Competition In-Reply-To: <199807091651.MAA03498@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Guess they get to use the Harleys now, and don't have to play with those Honday 250 NightHawks! :) n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Chris Norloff wrote: > from http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/m-district.html > > D.C. Police Win Motorcycle Competition > > Five members of the special > operations division of the D.C. police department won > first place in the > fourth annual Northeast police motorcycle safety > competition, held last > month in Teaneck, N.J. The winning team comprised Lt. > Eric J. Mines > and Officers Victor Young, Kim Allen, John P. McArdle and > Marcus > Boddie. The team competed against motorcycle officers > from 25 > agencies in the Northeast region of the country. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 14:09:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01530; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02663 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA05853 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:09:25 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id CHMBa13456; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7d5744ee.35a5070b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:08:10 EDT To: falcor@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: D.C. Police Win Motorcycle Competition Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Makes you wonder if it was the Honda 250 Nighthawks that helped? :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 15:27:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03248; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09694 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ice.clark.net (known ice.clark.net [168.143.0.12]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA09044 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.clark.net (louis@shell [168.143.0.8]) by ice.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA25778 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:28:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA27421 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:27:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807091927.PAA27421@shell.clark.net> Subject: Deer in Loudon County To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:27:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Here's a reminder that Bambi is still in the area, and still playing chicken with motorcycles (and other vehicles). George, hope you're back on two wheels soon! Louis ------------------------------------------------------------------- From: G2V@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:55:21 EDT Subject: LDRider: Home Resting Semi Comfortable > Louis, > > Thanks for the kind words. Feel free to forward to anyone you like. > You might also pass on what the officer told me. There are over 2000 deer > related accidents in Loudoun county each year. Scary huh? > > Take care, > George To All: In case the news hasn't reached you yet it's true, after 20+ years of motorcycling I was involved in my first motorcycle accident. First the good news, I'm home resting (semi) comfortably. Now the bad, I have a fractured right clavicle (shoulder) and right scapula (bone in the back) plus a badly sprained ankle not to mention lots of skin abrasions (road rash) on my right shoulder, both elbows and both knees. I'm very fortunate to have only received these injuries considering the type of accident. Now, here are the facts about the accident. I was on my way to work Thursday morning July 2nd riding my Honda Goldwing. I was traveling my favorite back road R772 Ashburn Rd. from Ashburn (home) to Chantilly (office) at a speed of approximately 60-mph. This particular road is a wooded two-lane country road with no painted lines on it. I came out of a sweeping right hand turn and was accelerating when a deer decided that it needed to cross the road. The deer jumped from the woods to my right and I can't tell you if it hit the ground or my front end first. I remember looking directly into the left eye of the deer that was staring back at me, I think we both said oh sh__. After impact the bike lurched hard to the left then violently back to the right. At this point I went airborne, unfortunately I didn't clear the bike cleanly. From the look of the bike it appears I hit the left side mirror with my right shoulder on the dismount. I believe this is what broke my clavicle. The next thing to hit was the top of my head on the road (thank God for helmets). Then I proceeded to bounce and roll finally coming to a stop on all fours on the edge of the road. I remember very clearly not being able to breathe, so I rolled over on my back. All I could think at this point this was just my luck I survived the accident only to suffocate on the side of the road. I never lost consciousness during the entire ordeal, which is a good thing so you can tell rescue workers where it hurts but a bad thing because your brain starts acting very strange. It's funny what was going through my mind at this point. My first thought was that I wasn't going to be found for awhile since this is a low traffic road. Then my second thought was that since I was laying on the edge of the road that somebody was going to run me over. Less than a minute went by before somebody stopped and was kneeling beside me. He told me over and over again that I was going to be ok and that I didn't look that bad. Then I saw a lady on a portable cell phone trying to describe my condition to 911. She looked at my face and her eyes got as big as silver dollars she quickly turned around and walked out of view. It was that moment that I realized how my face must have looked and that the guy had been lying to me. Only a few minutes passed before you could hear the sirens from the rescue vehicles. The rescue workers started assessing my injuries and seemed surprised at how lucid I was. They quickly prepared me for transport put me in the ambulance for a short trip to meet the Medstar helicopter. Medstar flew me to Fairfax trauma center at Fairfax Hospital. Once inside the trauma unit the workers started doing their thing. After lots of x-rays, seven stitches (five under my left eye and two under my right) and several bottles of antibiotic cleaning solution they finally admitted me for overnight observation. I was released the next afternoon and now I'm home. I will return next Friday to get my stitches removed and then they will let me know how much longer I will need to remain home. Bambi (which I've named Kenny) on the other hand didn't fare as well. She managed to get stuck between my front tire and the faring and slid the entire distance with the bike. She is now doing her part to feed the local critters. I'll keep you posted on my progress; all things considered I don't feel that bad right now. George Vensko The Deer Hunter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 16:16:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04362; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13140 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA11080 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:16:25 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id QAA03855 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:15:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199807092015.QAA03855@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:15:36 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:15:36 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:15:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:13:58 -0400 Subject: Deer in Loudon County To: louis@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199807091927.PAA27421@shell.clark.net> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME George - hang in there..hope you get well soon...it's a good thing you were on a Winger or you might be with Bambi right now chewing her out...we have alot of deer in the Herndon area also and I've become especially careful going around blind corners since I saw three of them just standing in the road one day when I came around a blind corner in my cage. Just barely missed them, but the strange thing was that I had to _go_around_them_...they didn't every *try* to move...scary... -aki > > Here's a reminder that Bambi is still in the area, and still playing > chicken with motorcycles (and other vehicles). > > George, hope you're back on two wheels soon! > > Louis > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: G2V@XXXXXX > Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:55:21 EDT > Subject: LDRider: Home Resting Semi Comfortable > > > Louis, > > > > Thanks for the kind words. Feel free to forward to anyone you like. > > You might also pass on what the officer told me. There are over 2000 deer > > related accidents in Loudoun county each year. Scary huh? > > > > Take care, > > George > > To All: > > In case the news hasn't reached you yet it's true, after 20+ years of > motorcycling I was involved in my first motorcycle accident. First the good > news, I'm home resting (semi) comfortably. Now the bad, I have a fractured > right clavicle (shoulder) and right scapula (bone in the back) plus a badly > sprained ankle not to mention lots of skin abrasions (road rash) on my right > shoulder, both elbows and both knees. I'm very fortunate to have only > received these injuries considering the type of accident. > > Now, here are the facts about the accident. I was on my way to work Thursday > morning July 2nd riding my Honda Goldwing. I was traveling my favorite back > road R772 Ashburn Rd. from Ashburn (home) to Chantilly (office) at a speed of > approximately 60-mph. This particular road is a wooded two-lane country road > with no painted lines on it. I came out of a sweeping right hand turn and was > accelerating when a deer decided that it needed to cross the road. The deer > jumped from the woods to my right and I can't tell you if it hit the ground or > my front end first. I remember looking directly into the left eye of the deer > that was staring back at me, I think we both said oh sh__. After impact the > bike lurched hard to the left then violently back to the right. At this point > I went airborne, unfortunately I didn't clear the bike cleanly. From the look > of the bike it appears I hit the left side mirror with my right shoulder on > the dismount. I believe this is what broke my clavicle. The next thing to > hit was the top of my head on the road (thank God for helmets). Then I > proceeded to bounce and roll finally coming to a stop on all fours on the edge > of the road. I remember very clearly not being able to breathe, so I rolled > over on my back. All I could think at this point this was just my luck I > survived the accident only to suffocate on the side of the road. I never lost > consciousness during the entire ordeal, which is a good thing so you can tell > rescue workers where it hurts but a bad thing because your brain starts acting > very strange. It's funny what was going through my mind at this point. My > first thought was that I wasn't going to be found for awhile since this is a > low traffic road. Then my second thought was that since I was laying on the > edge of the road that somebody was going to run me over. Less than a minute > went by before somebody stopped and was kneeling beside me. He told me over > and over again that I was going to be ok and that I didn't look that bad. > Then I saw a lady on a portable cell phone trying to describe my condition to > 911. She looked at my face and her eyes got as big as silver dollars she > quickly turned around and walked out of view. It was that moment that I > realized how my face must have looked and that the guy had been lying to me. > Only a few minutes passed before you could hear the sirens from the rescue > vehicles. The rescue workers started assessing my injuries and seemed > surprised at how lucid I was. They quickly prepared me for transport put me > in the ambulance for a short trip to meet the Medstar helicopter. Medstar > flew me to Fairfax trauma center at Fairfax Hospital. Once inside the trauma > unit the workers started doing their thing. After lots of x-rays, seven > stitches (five under my left eye and two under my right) and several bottles > of antibiotic cleaning solution they finally admitted me for overnight > observation. I was released the next afternoon and now I'm home. I will > return next Friday to get my stitches removed and then they will let me know > how much longer I will need to remain home. Bambi (which I've named Kenny) on > the other hand didn't fare as well. She managed to get stuck between my front > tire and the faring and slid the entire distance with the bike. She is now > doing her part to feed the local critters. > > I'll keep you posted on my progress; all things considered I don't feel that > bad right now. > > George Vensko > The Deer Hunter > > > Content-Type: text > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 16:17:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04371; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA13234 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oasys.dt.navy.mil (known oasys.dt.navy.mil [130.46.1.53]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA11103 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bayview.dt.navy.mil by oasys.dt.navy.mil (5.61/oasys.dt.navy.mil) id AA27673; Thu, 9 Jul 98 16:14:32 EDT Received: from Spooler by BAYVIEW.DT.NAVY.MIL (Mercury/32 v2.11); 9 Jul 98 13:15:03 -0800 Received: from spooler by bayview.dt.navy.mil (Mercury/32 v2.10); 9 Jul 98 13:14:58 -0800 Received: from vrc_server (157.187.160.22) by BAYVIEW (Mercury/32 v2.11); 9 Jul 98 13:14:50 -0800 From: "Bruce Dimon" To: "Linda Tanner" , "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Failing to see bikers Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:14:10 -0700 Message-Id: <001801bdab76$23bb9af0$16a0bb9d@vrc_server.verticalreality> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <000401bda951$d8145c20$3f6f29a6@LJTanner.mci.com> Importance: Normal Of all the places I have ridden, the Metro D.C. area drivers are most likely to "not see you." Actually, I do not believe that they do not see you on the road. Rather I am convinced that they don't give a damn about any vehicle that is not big enough to flatten their car. They "see" the big trucks and sport-utilities. They ignore the little cars and bikes. There's something about the self-important D.C. Yuppies that makes them drive without care or responsibility. Bruce Breidfjord Dimon, Senior Programmer/Analyst A&T Engineering Technologies, VECTOR Research Division Work: 208-683-2080, FAX: 208-683-2036 Work: dimon@XXXXXX Home: Bruce_Dimon@XXXXXX Northern Idaho, The Land of Lakes and Lattes! > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Tanner [mailto:linda.tanner@XXXXXX] > One interesting observation. I rode 6995.9 miles without one car or truck > failing to see me. It was mostly rural riding but not all. We > rode through > a bunch of big towns like Denver, St. Louis, Kansas City etc and > never once > did I get run out of my spot. I didn't even have to honk (pitiful sound > that it is) once. I get with 200 yards of my house and a Volvo station > wagon comes very close to hitting me head on because he's cutting a corner > that I'm trying to negotiate (and I was hugging the curb). I stopped and > stared at him while he wasn't even looking where he was going. Sobering. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 19:54:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA07669; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 19:54:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA19802 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 19:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA18354 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 19:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm1-17.dial.nova.org (pm1-17.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.145]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA19408 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 19:54:10 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS: Motoport cordura pants Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 23:54:07 GMT Message-ID: <35aa56d2.1327350465@mailgate.nova.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Motoport Canyon pants; size medium (basically 30/30); hardly worn (I no longer have a 30" waist...); knee and hip armor; quasi kidney belt; 2 front pockets in normal position for pants pockets; 1 front pocket on thigh; black; lycra on rear of calf for tight fit These pants look to be quite crash worthy (better than the matching Canyon jacket, I think). I'm asking $125/obo. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 20:03:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA07745; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 20:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA19954 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 20:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA18521 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 20:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm1-17.dial.nova.org (pm1-17.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.145]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA19544 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 20:03:19 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FS: Motoport cordura pants Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:03:16 GMT Message-ID: <35b059f5.1328154210@mailgate.nova.org> References: <35aa56d2.1327350465@mailgate.nova.org> In-Reply-To: <35aa56d2.1327350465@mailgate.nova.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 09 Jul 1998 23:54:07 GMT, kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) wrote: >Motoport Canyon pants; size medium (basically 30/30); hardly worn (I >no longer have a 30" waist...); knee and hip armor; quasi kidney belt; >2 front pockets in normal position for pants pockets; 1 front pocket >on thigh; black; lycra on rear of calf for tight fit > >These pants look to be quite crash worthy (better than the matching >Canyon jacket, I think). > >I'm asking $125/obo. Oops, it looks like you can get these pants directly from Motoport (www.motoport.com/products.htm) for just $145. In light of that let me change my price to $100... Methinks I got taken when I bought them initially. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 21:28:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA08384; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 21:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA21080 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 21:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (known smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA19798 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 21:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (207-172-40-167.s167.tnt11.ann.erols.com [207.172.40.167]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA13111 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 21:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A54C8F.6C6B@erols.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 19:04:47 -0400 From: Tim Morrow Reply-To: tomorrow@XXXXXX Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FS: Suzuki VX800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For sale: 1991 Suzuki VX800. Pristine, original condition, garaged. Stock except for Progressive Suspension front fork springs and Progressive shocks. Metzeler MeZ2 radial tires. SBS brake pads. 33k mostly highway miles. Dark blue (verging on black). Metro Washington D.C. area. Never down, never wrecked, always serviced, synthetic oil. MSF instructor owned since 1994 (bought with 8,900 miles on it). $1,700 (reduced $950 off AMA price guide because of above average mileage) Please reply off-list if interested. You can also call me at (703)430-4950 or 421-1376 at home, or (703)453-3753 at work. Tim From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 22:39:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08908; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA22610 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA20936 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p27dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.59]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA07797; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:39:02 -0400 Message-ID: <006901bdabab$f1291280$3bf31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Craig" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: Saturday 7/11 ride WAS Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 22:39:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Let's do a saturday 8am departure from 66 Rest Area. Glenn, Kirk, Sean S., Tom T., Bruce, Tom M., Sean P., Leon, Jack, etc.....anybody interested? Craig please call me tomorrow evening at 301 252-5932 or 301 806-1024 and let me know if Saturday works for you and others. I won't have access to a phone line (other than those cell numbers) for a modem until early next week. If its just you and me, we'll find a more convenient meeting spot. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Craig To: Thomas H. Gimer Date: Thursday, July 09, 1998 9:33 PM Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 7-9, or 8-10 or ??? >None, other than I WANT TO RIDE......Lets come up with something by tomorrow >(friday) by 3:00pm I have to go into work early tomorrow so i'll be out of the >office by 3:00 > >Thomas H. Gimer wrote: > >> Likewise. Any Saturday plans on your mind....that route last week was >> excellent, and it can be shortened if anybody's schedule needs it to. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 23:05:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09075; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 23:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA22782 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 23:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21279 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 23:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 09 Jul 1998 23:02:29 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Frank Artes" , "Chris Norloff" Cc: Subject: RE: D.C. Police Win Motorcycle Competition Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 23:03:11 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdabaf$461eebe0$2d80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > Guess they get to use the Harleys now, and don't have to play with those > Honday 250 NightHawks! :) Not so sure about that. Saw about a million of those little gnats buzzing around DC on July 4th, with nary a HD in sight. Not to mention the guy on the GSXR-750 who needs to learn a thing or two about RT:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 9 23:58:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA09436; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 23:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA24128 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 23:58:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (known imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA21915 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 23:58:31 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 7YHa012329; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 23:57:43 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <8f1f8284.35a59138@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 23:57:43 EDT To: ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: D.C. Police Win Motorcycle Competition Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 I think the Hondas are a good choice for the police. Especially the 250s for the inner city cops. Good power, great mileage, highly reliable, and excellent maneuverability. What more could you want in a bike that gets driven in traffic all the time? Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 85 Nighthawk 450 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 00:13:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA10042; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA25015 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA22097 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.33]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:10:32 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: Cc: Subject: RE: D.C. Police Win Motorcycle Competition Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:11:27 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdabb8$cf5f3fa0$2180e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8f1f8284.35a59138@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > I think the Hondas are a good choice for the police. Especially > the 250s for > the inner city cops. Good power, great mileage, highly reliable, > and excellent > maneuverability. What more could you want in a bike that gets driven in > traffic all the time? Personally, I think they'd be better served by an F650, KLR, or some other type of super motard or DP bike. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 00:33:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA10426; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA25745 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (known imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA22648 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:33:13 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 7XWBa12330; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:32:30 EDT To: ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: D.C. Police Win Motorcycle Competition Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Maybe, but they still have an image to uphold. I think a dual sport bike would give them a bad image. And also, people might actually try to steal one of those! They're not going to be curb jumping or anything like that anyway. I guess when it comes down too it, the police, for their own reasons, have chosen what they have. Robert VanSlyke From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 08:08:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15314; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07122 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27861 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA21071; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <34CXXD23>; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:09:30 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F2879@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'George Howell'" , NJitzul@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: D.C. Police Win Motorcycle Competition Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:09:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Not familiar with the F650, but the other DP bikes would probably not be suited to most of the jobs the cops on the 250's do. Most of the 250's I've seen around town are doing the SLJ's like parking and traffic control, while the bigger HD's (some with sidecar rigs) are doing normal patrols. The DP bikes have some advantages, but they would limit who could be a biker cop due to the excessive seat height. Those little 250's are awesome little machines for tooling around town. > -----Original Message----- > From: George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, July 10, 1998 7:55 AM > To: NJitzul@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: D.C. Police Win Motorcycle Competition > > > Personally, I think they'd be better served by an F650, KLR, or some other > type of super motard or DP bike. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 08:41:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA15603; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA07513 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA28453 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA25389 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:42:16 -0400 Message-ID: <35A60BCE.99EA6032@illuminet.net> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:40:46 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC Motor officer bikes. Was: rodeo References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't understand what you mean by 'image.' I know the ad copy says you meet the nicest people on a Honda, but what image do dirt bikers have? Aren't they just surfer guys who live too far from the water? (no wait, that's squids) How would one get to the scene of an in-town incident on a police bike without "curb jumping?" Cheap might be a bigger reason for the Honda's rather than D-P bikes. They could probably buy and equip 3 Honda Nighthawks for the price of one F-650 BMW. Leon. NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > > Maybe, but they still have an image to uphold. I think a dual sport bike would > give them a bad image. And also, people might actually try to steal one of > those! They're not going to be curb jumping or anything like that anyway. I > guess when it comes down too it, the police, for their own reasons, have > chosen what they have. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 09:24:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16170; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08779 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29404 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:24:08 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id JAA17353 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:23:56 -0400 Message-Id: <199807101323.JAA17353@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:23:56 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:23:56 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:23:56 -0400 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 9:21:33 -0400 Subject: anybody on this list ride a yellow Triumph? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35A60BCE.99EA6032@illuminet.net> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME anyone on this list ride a yellow Triumpha Daytona out of Reston this morning? -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 09:29:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16206; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA08929 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:28:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1c.yahoomail.com (known send1c.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.38]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29531 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980710133051.26077.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send1c; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 06:30:50 PDT Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 06:30:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Saturday Ride To: Dysart@XXXXXX, cbr600twt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX, bnorton@XXXXXX, jckozyn@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well here it is Friday and no plans have been made ;~( How about it Glenn...Kirk...Tom t...Bruce...John...??? Tom Gimer said he wants to go, and anyone else lets hear it..... How about a jaunt towards 211 then hit 810 and heads towards Croyset(sp?) Bruce knows some good roads down there... And I would be more than happy to lead if'n ya'll want. Lets get it together ...my Unit is leaving work today at 3:00...so i can be reached at home E-mail after 4:00 Craig _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 09:43:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16311; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09225 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:42:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29812 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:39:56 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Leon Begeman" , Subject: RE: DC Motor officer bikes. Was: rodeo Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:41:02 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bdac08$61363420$2880e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <35A60BCE.99EA6032@illuminet.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > How would one get to the scene of an in-town incident on a police bike > without "curb jumping?" Cheap might be a bigger reason for the Honda's > rather than D-P bikes. They could probably buy and equip 3 Honda > Nighthawks for the price of one F-650 BMW. > > Leon. Actually, it's more like two to one (if prices are similar to PDs like they are to civvies. About $4000 for a Rebel, about $7500-$8000 for the BMW). But taking one of the 250-450 sized Japanese DPs would only cost a few hundred dollars more than one Rebel. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 09:43:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA16310; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA09218 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:42:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA29808 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:39:54 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: Cc: Subject: RE: D.C. Police Win Motorcycle Competition Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:40:59 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdac08$5f603ba0$2880e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > Maybe, but they still have an image to uphold. I think a dual > sport bike would > give them a bad image. And also, people might actually try to steal one of > those! They're not going to be curb jumping or anything like that > anyway. I > guess when it comes down too it, the police, for their own reasons, have > chosen what they have. > > Robert VanSlyke Baltimore City has several DP bikes. Seems that some of the local hoods were using dirtbikes on city streets. When cops would start pursuing, they'd take off down streets, alleys, staircases, etc. that were impassible on Harleys. Some DP bikes were the solution. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 10:11:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16874; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:11:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA09782 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1e.yahoomail.com (known send1e.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00979 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980710141022.16184.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1e; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 07:10:22 PDT Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 07:10:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Saturday Ride has been set To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii O.K. here it is .... Meet at the AMOCO in MARSHALL @ 8:00 a.m. Bruce and I will be leaving Leesburg at 7:00am , from the Roy Rogers on the west side of town near safeway. We will be going 647,522,211,810,(Croyset), Blue ridge prkwy (5-10miles) to Wintergreen..... And I'm sure the roads are not in the right order , but something like that.... STILL WAITING FOR RESPONSES.... Confirmed are Tom G, Glenn, Bruce, Me.. And Hopefully you :~) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 10:21:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17027; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA10360 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01300 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA28647 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:20:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy Reply-To: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Yamaha Radian info wanted Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My brother picked up a Radian a little while ago and is in the process of getting it sorted. I'm going to be riding it around so I can give him my recommendations. It needs some good shocks and fork springs to start. I see that Progressive makes these for this bike. I haven't been too impressed with their stuff in the past though (I took Progressive brand springs out of my Hawk and replaced them with RaceTech and enjoyed a significant improvement). The mirrors are completely useless (and will be even more useless if my brother follows my rec to put lower/wider bars on). Is Yamaha the brand that makes one of the mirror mounts reverse threaded? Maybe some barends would do the trick. Can anyone recommend a brand/vendor for these parts? I assume that the parts will be very similar to those used on other standard style bikes. I will say that I'm enjoying the differences between this motor (inline 4 with a racing heritage from the early 80s) as compared to my Hawk (somewhat built little v-twin with a cruiser heritage). Thanks, Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 10:48:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17596; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12144 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02319 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA13482 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:40:36 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:45:36 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:47:59 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX Subject: Yamaha Radian info wanted -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Kirk, Yamahas usually have 10mm left-hand (opposite) threads on the right-side mirror. Dennis Kirk (800.328.9280) Not only has a buttload of aftermarket mirrors, they have Yamaha adapters for 8 bucks. They sell Progressive shocks, but if you don't like them, try Works (811.701.1010) Joe "useta have" Yam Seca 650 >>> Kirk Roy - 7/10/98 10:20 AM >>> My brother picked up a Radian a little while ago and is in the process of getting it sorted. I'm going to be riding it around so I can give him my recommendations. It needs some good shocks and fork springs to start. I see that Progressive makes these for this bike. I haven't been too impressed with their stuff in the past though (I took Progressive brand springs out of my Hawk and replaced them with RaceTech and enjoyed a significant improvement). The mirrors are completely useless (and will be even more useless if my brother follows my rec to put lower/wider bars on). Is Yamaha the brand that makes one of the mirror mounts reverse threaded? Maybe some barends would do the trick. Can anyone recommend a brand/vendor for these parts? I assume that the parts will be very similar to those used on other standard style bikes. I will say that I'm enjoying the differences between this motor (inline 4 with a racing heritage from the early 80s) as compared to my Hawk (somewhat built little v-twin with a cruiser heritage). Thanks, Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 10:54:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA17768; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12308 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:54:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po4.wam.umd.edu (known po4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.166]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA02693 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac6.wam.umd.edu ((IDENT root)@rac6.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.146]) by po4.wam.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.9.0.Beta6) with ESMTP id KAA20085; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac6.wam.umd.edu ((IDENT sendmail)@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac6.wam.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.9.0.Beta6) with ESMTP id KAA16216; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:54:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by rac6.wam.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.9.0.Beta6) with SMTP id KAA16211; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:54:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: rac6.wam.umd.edu: elkouss owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:54:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Paul F. Elkouss" To: Kirk Roy cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Yamaha Radian info wanted In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, I have had my radian for about two years. I have the progressive springs up front, and they work fine. At one point I ordered shocks for the rear, but I returned them 'cause they didn't look to good.(Not a good reason.) The most important thing that needs to be changed on the bike is the crappy oem seat. After 1/2 hour the seat will make your butt fall asleep. The right mirror is reverse threaded, but I have a Suzuki clamp holding my break lever/cylinder on, and I can use a standard mirror. I found the handlebar to be ok. Make sure the exhaust isn't rusted out, because only Vance & Hines makes an aftermarket one, and the OEM is $800. Good Luck. Paul Elkouss University of Maryland 1990 Yamaha yx600 Radian On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Kirk Roy wrote: > My brother picked up a Radian a little while ago and is in the process of > getting it sorted. I'm going to be riding it around so I can give him my > recommendations. It needs some good shocks and fork springs to start. I > see that Progressive makes these for this bike. I haven't been too > impressed with their stuff in the past though (I took Progressive > brand springs out of my Hawk and replaced them with RaceTech and enjoyed a > significant improvement). > > The mirrors are completely useless (and will be even more useless if my > brother follows my rec to put lower/wider bars on). Is Yamaha the brand > that makes one of the mirror mounts reverse threaded? Maybe some barends > would do the trick. > > Can anyone recommend a brand/vendor for these parts? I assume that the > parts will be very similar to those used on other standard style bikes. > > I will say that I'm enjoying the differences between this motor (inline 4 > with a racing heritage from the early 80s) as compared to my Hawk > (somewhat built little v-twin with a cruiser heritage). > > Thanks, > > Kirk > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 11:46:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18505; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA14125 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cais.cais.com (known cais.cais.net [199.0.216.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04178 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (dynamic220.cais.com [207.226.56.220]) by cais.cais.com (8.8.5/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id LAA21269 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980710114343.0069b048@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:43:43 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Mike Subject: Re: Failing to see bikers In-Reply-To: <001801bdab76$23bb9af0$16a0bb9d@vrc_server.verticalreality> References: <000401bda951$d8145c20$3f6f29a6@LJTanner.mci.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:14 PM 7/9/98 -0700, you wrote: >Of all the places I have ridden, the Metro D.C. area drivers are most likely >to "not see you." Actually, I do not believe that they do not see you on the >road. Rather I am convinced that they don't give a damn about any vehicle >that is not big enough to flatten their car. They "see" the big trucks and >sport-utilities. They ignore the little cars and bikes. > I've come to believe that folks don't look for other vehicles, rather they look for open spots in traffic, and don't see what they aren't looking for. >There's something about the self-important D.C. Yuppies that makes them >drive without care or responsibility. > Sad but true :-( Mike B 98 ZX900 >Bruce Breidfjord Dimon, Senior Programmer/Analyst >A&T Engineering Technologies, VECTOR Research Division >Work: 208-683-2080, FAX: 208-683-2036 >Work: dimon@XXXXXX >Home: Bruce_Dimon@XXXXXX >Northern Idaho, The Land of Lakes and Lattes! > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Linda Tanner [mailto:linda.tanner@XXXXXX] >> One interesting observation. I rode 6995.9 miles without one car or truck >> failing to see me. It was mostly rural riding but not all. We >> rode through >> a bunch of big towns like Denver, St. Louis, Kansas City etc and >> never once >> did I get run out of my spot. I didn't even have to honk (pitiful sound >> that it is) once. I get with 200 yards of my house and a Volvo station >> wagon comes very close to hitting me head on because he's cutting a corner >> that I'm trying to negotiate (and I was hugging the curb). I stopped and >> stared at him while he wasn't even looking where he was going. Sobering. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 12:07:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18791; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14785 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA04815 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:06:52 -0400 (EDT) From: CBR600twt@XXXXXX Received: from CBR600twt@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id PHGEa13456; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4f839a22.35a63bf5@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:06:12 EDT To: tleatsducks@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Saturday Ride has been set Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Man, i'm bummed. At this point it doesn't look like i'll be able to make it. Between the routes chosen and the weather it's going to be a great time! I am still trying to get out of my previous plans, that were made unbeknownst to me. I'll give everyone a shout if I can weasel out of it. Tom T. 2-HYPR - CBR600 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 12:22:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19062; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15450 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05464 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:22:52 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170E33@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Failing to see bikers Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:21:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Although I think that the DC metro region is a dangerous place to ride, and I do it with caution and as much personal protection as possible.. I've never been agressively targeted by anyone here. I was in NYC last Sunday night. Someone in a maroon MR2 decided that he didn't care if he hit me (he did), or run me over (he didn't). Traffic was stopped, I put my left foot down and kicked for his face with my right.. unfortunataly his window was up .. but I managed to crack it and get his attention. I lane split for the next 5 miles cause I didn't want that asswipe on my tail. Were it just me on the bike, I might not have been so rash in my actions.. but I had a passenger.. the little *explitative* actually HIT me with his car instead of waiting and slipping in behind me while. I know I could have backed off instead, but I didn't. Only time I've ever wished for one of those spring wands (used for attack/personal defense) to wack the shit out of a car. Usualy around here, people just don't watch.. and as soon as you lay onto the horns, they fall back into place.. it's more passive than agressive Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 12:35:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19263; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16158 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA05906 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02038; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <34CXXDKM>; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:35:41 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F287F@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'McCoy, Brian P HQ02'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Failing to see bikers Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:35:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I carry my asp baton with me a lot..(not as often on the bike, but always in the cage). Handy little sucker.. It's considered a concealed weapon in many places, but less likely to attract the same attention that a gun will..my theory on that is that on first glance, it looks a lot like a mini mag light... > -----Original Message----- > From: McCoy, Brian P HQ02 [SMTP:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, July 10, 1998 12:32 PM > To: 'dc' > Subject: RE: Failing to see bikers > Only time I've ever > wished for one of those spring wands (used for attack/personal defense) > to wack the shit out of a car. > > Usualy around here, people just don't watch.. and as soon as you lay > onto the horns, they fall back into place.. it's more passive than > agressive > Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM > US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 > Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 13:01:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19561; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:01:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17654 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06628 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:00:34 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170E37@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Summit Point tonight.. Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:58:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey, if anyone else is planning on going out to Summit Point tonight.. and they want to ride with someone.. I should be leaving from Springfield VA here in the next hour to hour and a half. Stopping in CharlesTown for TacoHell before going out to the track.. I'm on bike, with gear.. so I'm not going to be wicking it up TOO much (I'll keep it under 90, probably not much illegal passing). I know there aren't many people who go.. but it's an offer.. Call or e-mail me untill 2pm Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 13:01:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19582; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17681 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA06659 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:01:41 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WZFQa06640 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <68aeecf2.35a64842@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:58:40 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Saturday Ride has been set Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 Hmmm, I may join. But where the hell is Marshall? And I gonna hafta leave home at 5AM to do this ride? Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 13:13:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA19813; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA18566 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1d.yahoomail.com (known send1d.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.48]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA07072 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980710170719.20141.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send1d; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:07:19 PDT Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:07:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: Saturday Ride has been set To: CBR600twt@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii welcome to the Lurker... ;~) How the hell have you been ??? Hope that you can get out of your plans , to join us. ---CBR600twt@XXXXXX wrote: > > Man, i'm bummed. At this point it doesn't look like i'll be able to make it. > Between the routes chosen and the weather it's going to be a great time! I am > still trying to get out of my previous plans, that were made unbeknownst to > me. I'll give everyone a shout if I can weasel out of it. > > Tom T. > 2-HYPR - CBR600 > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 13:36:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20274; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA20117 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA08109 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:36:47 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170E3B@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Saturday Ride has been set Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:35:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" If he does make it.. be gentle with him.. don't need to be picking up more bikes with trucks/trailers. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- From: Craig Sent: Friday, July 10, 1998 1:07 PM To: CBR600twt@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday Ride has been set welcome to the Lurker... ;~) How the hell have you been ??? Hope that you can get out of your plans , to join us. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 14:03:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20643; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21339 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1e.yahoomail.com (known send1e.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09051 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980710180143.17783.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1e; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:01:43 PDT Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:01:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: RE: Saturday Ride has been set To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "Westbrook, Richard" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii get on Rt. 66 going West after passing Manassas it's about 20 miles. The sign will say Marshall , look for a BLUE services sign that says AMOCO. I think its the first Marshall Exit.there are only 2 exits for Marshall and it's not a big town....Up the Exit ramp turn right and the AMOCO is down the street about 1/4 mi. on the right. See Ya At 8:00 a.m. Craig ---"Westbrook, Richard" wrote: > > You can put me on the confirmed list too. > > I need directions to Marshall also. I'm coming from Arlington, and how long > will it take to get out there? > > > Thanks > Rich Westbrook > > ---------- > > From: Craig > > Sent: Friday, July 10, 1998 2:10 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Saturday Ride has been set > > > > O.K. here it is .... > > > > Meet at the AMOCO in MARSHALL @ 8:00 a.m. > > > > Bruce and I will be leaving Leesburg at 7:00am , from the Roy Rogers > > on the west side of town near safeway. > > > > We will be going 647,522,211,810,(Croyset), Blue ridge prkwy > > (5-10miles) to Wintergreen..... > > > > And I'm sure the roads are not in the right order , but something like > > that.... > > > > STILL WAITING FOR RESPONSES.... > > > > Confirmed are Tom G, Glenn, Bruce, Me.. > > > > And Hopefully you :~) > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 14:08:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20695; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21979 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send101.yahoomail.com (known send101.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.87]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09234 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980710180722.12460.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send101.yahoomail.com; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:07:22 PDT Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:07:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: RE: Saturday Ride has been set To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Be gentle with Tom cbr600 ??? If this is the one you are refering to , no need he is one FAST , THRASHING , S.O.B..... ;~) He is one of the few that actually hang with me in the corners / all the way to 150mph !!!!! ---"McCoy, Brian P HQ02" wrote: > > If he does make it.. be gentle with him.. don't need to be picking up > more bikes with trucks/trailers. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 14:14:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA20814; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22785 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1e.yahoomail.com (known send1e.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA09504 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980710181309.26789.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1e; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:13:09 PDT Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:13:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: Saturday Ride has been set To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't know where you live to say what time you need to leave.... See the message I sent back to rich giving directions...Ah fuck it here they are again.... Rt.66 west towards Manassas...about 20 mi. past Manassas Look for the Marshall exit .....Look for the BLUE services sign and it's the exit with the AMOCO...I think it's the first Marshall exit.. I think there are 2 exits , but it's a small town...Up the ramp and turn right ......AMOCO is 1/4 mi. down the street on the right.... See you there At 8:00 a.m. Craig ---WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > > Hmmm, I may join. But where the hell is Marshall? And I gonna hafta leave > home at 5AM to do this ride? > > Jack > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 14:44:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA21343; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA24957 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA10571 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA07612 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <34CXXDLL>; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:45:23 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F2883@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: See ya out there... Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:45:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain For any of ya'll that head out to Summit this weekend, look for me on bike #210...brown and gold with a red front fender (ain't pretty, but it runs like a bat out of hell) You can lock your gear away in my truck and raid my cooler as needed....(as long as you leave some for me :)) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 15:08:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21943; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25642 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.troutman.org (known www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA11577 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture ([38.241.229.100]) by vulture.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 392 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:08:09 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980710150806.00a9a350@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:08:09 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Michael Troutman" Subject: MSF This Weekend Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anyone going to / teaching the MSF this weekend at NVCC Loudon? If so, see ya there :-) __________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "Welcome to MY reality" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 22:42:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28592; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05001 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24621 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.32] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA00122 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:42:03 -0400 Message-ID: <017001bdac75$2b8db420$5473c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Test Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:39:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Anybody home? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 10 22:46:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28627; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:46:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05024 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24680 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA18186; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:46:47 -0400 (EDT) From: adl64@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: "Bruce Norton" Cc: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Test Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 02:50:21 GMT Message-ID: <35a6d2b2.620199408@relay.mnsinc.com> References: <017001bdac75$2b8db420$5473c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> In-Reply-To: <017001bdac75$2b8db420$5473c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:39:44 -0400, you wrote: >Anybody home? I am, but you probably won't get many responses on the weekend. Hardly anyone on the list seems to have email access from home. Or maybe they're just out riding and don't have time to post! :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 11 01:09:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA00410; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 01:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA06545 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 01:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (known camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA26288 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 01:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (user-38lcitd.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.75.173]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA24470; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 01:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 01:09:24 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDAC68.8B2CFEC0.zellto@mindspring.com> From: "Thomas W.Zell" Reply-To: "zellto@XXXXXX" To: "'Anita Lauro'" , Bruce Norton Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Test Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 01:09:23 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yupper... we're usually too busy riding... -Tom -----Original Message----- From: Anita Lauro [SMTP:adl64@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 10, 1998 10:50 PM To: Bruce Norton Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Test On Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:39:44 -0400, you wrote: >Anybody home? I am, but you probably won't get many responses on the weekend. Hardly anyone on the list seems to have email access from home. Or maybe they're just out riding and don't have time to post! :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 11 09:58:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03035; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 09:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10075 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 09:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malady.cais.net (known malady.cais.net [199.0.216.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA01284 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 09:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (dynamic226.cais.com [207.226.56.226]) by malady.cais.net (8.8.7/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id KAA02239 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 10:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002501bdacec$c593d0a0$e238e2cf@wowbager> From: "Mike B." To: Subject: Re: Test Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 09:55:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 -----Original Message----- From: Anita Lauro To: Bruce Norton Cc: DC-Cycles Date: Friday, July 10, 1998 7:58 PM Subject: Re: Test On Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:39:44 -0400, you wrote: >Anybody home? I am, but you probably won't get many responses on the weekend. Hardly anyone on the list seems to have email access from home. Or maybe they're just out riding and don't have time to post! :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 Howdy Hi. I'm also at home but not for long, .... a day tailor made for riding ;o) Sweeeet !!!! Mike B. 1998 ZX 900 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 11 21:07:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA08025; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA15347 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from red.uspis.gov (known red-internet.uspis.gov [206.205.134.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13006 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by red.uspis.gov; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA14723; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:09:45 -0400 Received: from somewhere by smtpxd Received: from somewhere by smtpxd Message-Id: From: "Clements, Curtis A" To: "'adl64@XXXXXX'" , "'Bruce Norton'" Cc: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Test Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:08:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some of us have to take there work home. Or just stay at the office the rest of my life. Curtis >-----Original Message----- >From: adl64@XXXXXX [SMTP:adl64@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, July 10, 1998 10:50 PM >To: Bruce Norton >Cc: DC-Cycles >Subject: Re: Test > >On Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:39:44 -0400, you wrote: > >>Anybody home? > >I am, but you probably won't get many responses on the weekend. >Hardly anyone on the list seems to have email access from home. Or >maybe they're just out riding and don't have time to post! :-) > >Anita >'96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 11 21:26:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA08144; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA15432 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (known gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA13192 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) with SMTP; 12 Jul 1998 01:26:46 UT Received: from sparta2.res.sprintlink.net (sparta2.res.sprintlink.net [199.0.235.44]) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA27402 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by sparta2.res.sprintlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA08089 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:26:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sunday Ride Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey there. New member to the list here.. '97 Kat 600, and hopefully in the next week or two, that should change to a VFR750.. at any rate.. Anyone go on any nice organized sunday rides? If so, let me know when & where, and I'll try to show up.. Alex. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 11 22:16:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08379; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15569 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA13567 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:16:14 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WEXOa11468 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:12:43 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <2baf5c89.35a81b9c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:12:43 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: FOR SALE- 92 Virago (perfect) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 It's a 1992 750 Virago. NEVER been in an accident and NEVER been dropped! It's metallic burgundy and it gleams (I keep it clean). It's covered unless I'm on it. It has 5600 miles, saddlebags, windshield and cover. Posted on behalf of another AOL DC rider. Bike is in Lorton VA. Contact Z28mat@XXXXXX. $3900 Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 02:13:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA10362; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 02:13:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA17504 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 02:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA15802 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 02:13:41 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 6QEDa19316; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 02:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <63538000.35a853c2@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 02:12:17 EDT To: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Crash advice (long but please read) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 This evening I had an unfortunate incident occur and was wondering if anyone could contribute some advice. This evening in Georgetown (DC for you on the TL list) I was riding with a few other people. We were going down M Street at about 25 MPH. We started accelerating when my TL ran over some oil or a manhole cover. The back tire lost traction (plenty of rubber on it) for a second (spinning) and suddenly caught traction again and catapulted me into the back of another rider on a GSXR. I tried to brake in time but the short distance seperating us didnt give me enough time. We both went down....uninjured luckily. My TL sustained very minor damage (broken left front turn signal...nothing a little super glue cant take care of, broken brake pedal.....some more glue or something similar and a scuff on the fairing....all minor) but the GSXR didnt fare so well. Severely dented exhaust pipe, scuffed fairing, assorted small damage (signal, etc). It started right up as did my TL. Anyway, we made the two BIG NO-NO's when it comes to accidents. We both agreed that it was a no fault accident and we didnt involve the cops so no report or anything. Im not trying to get out of helping him with his bike but I dont think that my insurance will pay shit considering we agreed it was no fault and there is no report to decide fault. After all, it doesnt bother me that ins wont pay. Ive been told that in a situation like this ins. cos. cant be sure who is at fault so they wont pay. If Im not mistaken considering the circumstances I technically wouldnt have to pay him anything (but Im not like that). Does anyone have any advice or similar situations? I would be willing to pay half of the repair estimate but not much more. Please help. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 10:33:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12524; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:33:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20469 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19723 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.29] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA01102 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:33:44 -0400 Message-ID: <35A88234.BAF3DC60@anent.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:30:28 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Saturday Ride Report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well it all started at the Amoco in Marshall , the group was all together by 7:50a.m.. Members and what they rode:.Craig TL, Bruce VFR800, GlennV-30, Tom G.ZX11, Steve BV-max, RichVFR750, And a New Comer Dave Ninga ?. As we departed Marshall, Glenn was the tour guide on to Rt. 66 and onto Rt. 647 to Flint Hill where we picked up Rt. ? going thru Washington va to Rt.522/211 to Sperryville. We then turned and went up Rt. 522 for a bit , until we turned on Rt.231 which lead us to Rt.670 going towards Madison.The pace was good for warming up with and the group stayed together well . We rode out to Rt.29 and made our first gas stop, more of a Mens room break than anything ;~) As we continued our next road was Rt.230, which took us to Standardsville and Rt.810. A road that we later found out was really liked by Steve.810 has been re-paved and the gravel section is gone(sorry Leon). A little jaunt up Rt. 64 had us near Rockfish Gap where Glenn led us down Rt.6 for a little 4-5 mile (really twisty) section. Turning around to go back to Afton , Rt.6 was much more fun going up than down . Some of the corners now have nice black rubber laid down..heheheheh. At Afton we stopped up top at the overlook and got a group photo of all the bikes with the scenery backdrop.Very nice. Then it was my turn to lead down the Blue Ridge Prkwy to Rt. 664 (which I missed)going to Wintergreen. At Wintegreen we got on Rt.151 until we turned on Rt. 56 ,this is a road not to be missed if you are in the area..great tight , twisty corners ,unless you get hung up behind a pack-o-cars. Lunch sucked ! After lunch we continued with the rest of Rt. 56 and merged in to Rt. 11 , at this point Rich had to go and departed the group to slab it back up Rt.81. we continued up Rt.11 with Glenn leading for a while then he took us down all these back roads. That got narrower and narrower with our favoritve,not, "LOOSE GRAVEL", back to Rt. 11 to New Market , to Rt.211 . Glenn waved Tom and I byand I led the group up and over the mtn. Me, Tom G , and Glenn , with Bruce this time( mid-thrasher) disappeared up the twistys. The ride back to Flint Hill was calm and flowing with traffic, but once we hit Rt. 647 I quickened the pace and we jetted back to Marshall where after filling up went our seperate ways...Bruce led me back to Leesburg and I was quite surprised at the level of intensity that he rode(Way togo buddy) . Overall the ride was a great one and everyone seemed to have a really good-time(Rich?). This group of individuals really seem to ride good together. Special note to the Dave, First time with the group and he did Exceptionally well in keeping up !! Lets do this every weekend ;~) Craig (hope I got it right) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 10:33:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA12528; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20465 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19719 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA24816; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:33:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: Alex Milenkovic cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sunday Ride In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Alex, Welcome! Hey I live up in Germantown, MD. Would love to do some riding on Sundays. Hey for that matter any damn day! If I am not riding, I am online. (Computer work and all...) so just write. I have found riding 355 North of Germantown becomes very windy and farm like, then I take 80 west... very windy and hilly. (Have to go a little slower then I would like, never know when there will be some HUGE farm truck in the road. Or bail of hay... that is a story onto itself!!) ANy way I take another highway south, then 118 north, and repete. Nice big circle wit great roads, plenty of bikes, and corners that will keep that rubber nice and hot! Just don't ride like that set of Duc's that came up behind me yesterday. I was stuck behind the biggest piece of farm equ. I have evern seen. Looked Like it did everything from plow the field, to cook the corn!! We were going up this blind hill, very steep. Double solid lines... and they dropped gear and took off in the oppisite lane to pass him. I was expecting a helmet or two to come rolling back down the hill. I waited until the ground was flat and I could see. I hate riders like that... all they do is raise my insurence! -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Sat, 11 Jul 1998, Alex Milenkovic wrote: > > Hey there. New member to the list here.. '97 Kat 600, and hopefully > in the next week or two, that should change to a VFR750.. at any > rate.. > > Anyone go on any nice organized sunday rides? If so, let me know > when & where, and I'll try to show up.. > > Alex. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 11:13:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12623; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA20651 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA19977 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.32]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:09:51 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "BMW Motorcycle List" Subject: Another Deal's Gap message... Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:10:54 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdada7$43f957c0$2080e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Not sure of the veracity of this. I think the email address of the original poster is included. Haven't verified it or anything. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:02:13 -0500 From: nathan Subject: [Wings] Deal's Gap Riders I went to Deal's Gap yesterday for a long anticipated ride. I was extremely disappointed to find myself face-to-face with a U.S. park ranger. He informed me that, effective this past Tuesday, July 7th, all motorcycles riding Deal's Gap must have a permit from the U.S. Park Service. Since US129 runs through national forests, the U.S. Forestry Service determined that the park service, having a permit system set up, would be the logical choice to administer the permits and enforce same. The permit costs $300 per year, and includes a "cleanup" fee and a $100,000 accidental death and dismemberment insurance policy for those motorcyclists that "go down" while riding the Gap. Apparently, there has been a great deal of money spent on cleanup after riders wreck their bikes, and their insurance policies don't always cover that cleanup. Needless to say, this came as a complete surprise to me, and at least 5 other riders that I saw. Two park rangers were helping unload what appeared to be a check station type building from a flat bed trailer, one to be set up at each end. I stayed and talked to one of the park rangers after the other riders left, and told him that riding the gap was one of my goals on this trip. After much discussion, he told me that, as this was the first week of the permit policy, I could follow him to the other end at a reduced speed. He said that he would not require the permit, and that he would have done the same for the other riders if they had hung around. I thanked the man, and waited for him to get to his vehicle. After about 5 minutes, he motioned me to follow him, and we started across "The Dragon", at a speed of approximately 15 mph. It was not the ride my wife and I expected. I stopped at the Crossroads Of Time store and checked with the owner. He said that it was true, and that many riders had been caught unprepared for the permit requirements. It appears that a great road for riding has been placed financially out of reach for many of us, and there does not seem to be any short term solution. This might be a good time to start writing Senators and Representatives to change this policy that seems to have been generated somewhere other than reality. Nathan Riggs Georgetown, Texas (temporarily, somewhere NW of Atlanta) 96 SE - the reflection of all colors From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 12:49:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13179; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20936 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20734 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.38] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA01325; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:49:12 -0400 Message-ID: <35A8A1D7.4AA7DB05@anent.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:45:27 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jack , DC-Cycles Subject: re.Accident Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry to hear that , but I think you owe the guy for repairs. Damn bummer , see you should have joined us on a ride in the country instead. ;~) Craig From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 13:11:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13300; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21047 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21000 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-28.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.69]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA08996 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:11:43 -0400 Message-ID: <070301bdadb8$1a4ec700$4510b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: A bolt of Pontiac -- MC down Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:10:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Vulcan down. Not, as thought, godlike invincible. Me now walking (with winces), thank the Lord. Shiny bike probably totalled. Having obvious time available, here's a recap that may benefit. Figured I'd do a little tour on the Eastern Shore after skipping the Fourth traffic (stay-in-town holidays an old habit of mine). All the way along, a bikers waving, bright sun, nice temps, at speed limits, SIPDE on strange roads, red 'stitch zipped up kind of day. In these near perfect conditions, a little after noon last Monday, I was poking north on 213 just past the middle of Centreville, MD. KEEEEEEEERIIIIST!! A bolt from the blue, an '86 Pontiac, came across the road from the left (not a left turner; had previously been noted/discounted; slow speed) immediately in front of me. CRUNCH, as I tried to stop/turn right. We three (me, bike on ground; car) ended up off road in wide business driveway. Police/witnesses on spot right now. She was crossing at this semi-intersection (two food places facing each other) and just didn't see me, so it is said. BDC. Clear air lightning. Officially documented as her fault. Ambulance, 30min to ER, 2 nights in motel (Thank God for HBO), ER for travel-ready, driven back to DC via bike pics, police report copy. Nofunatall. Me now recuperating, tending to Vulcan future, lamenting missed minivacation, catching up. Local handling of me/bike seems to have been good quality, cordial. Several said I was lucky to be alive. Aerostitch undoubtedly played major safety role. Also (now severly scraped) helmet. Had I been wearing fullfingered mc gloves, skin would surely have been left unscratched. As it was, that plus some other mashing and bashing. Bike front in rough shape, first checks point to totalling. Just had substantial 12K maintenance finished Friday prior. Darnation. Vignettes. I think a Joe Btflzlk (sp?) cloud found my trip. On Wednesday morning, a rainy one, in cab back to the ER for final check, the thought crossed -- "what a time for an accident", though the driver was doing well enough. Thought dismissed. Then, as he made an easy turn, a lady turned right into him (slow, tiny damage). Another BDC. 20min changing papers -- the ER a rainy, hurting block away. Began making plans for a tank trip back to DC -- sadly, none found in YP. (Then, later, in line at DC drugstore, another omen. A cashier breaking a change roll gets pennies in a dime wrapper. Many times pondered by me, never before seen. Roll users, beware) Just a matter of healing and fixing now. Next bike steps aforming -- Wish there was better press for Colemans. Noticed thread on 'failing to see bikers'. Not just an urban disease, BDC, to wit the two above. And the second taxi incident just supported a 'rural BDC' view of the subject. Having just put extra brakelight flashers on the bike, next is headlight modulators -- (or driving backwards, counting on my extra helmet flasher!) Eating "If he didn't see me, it's my fault" slogan while anticipating a compensating string of good luck. And the great Western trip report - 'I didn't even have to honk (pitiful sound that it is) once'. Is current travel to the east with bad kharma? All seems to be moving along, but other experience in this mc accident/insurance arena welcome. Viva summer riding protection! Bill Swanson / DC (Down, anticipate up again.) 96 EN500 LTD (Down, checking options. Taxis max boring.) Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 13:17:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13329; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21093 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21095 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:16:53 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WLGPa13455 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:13:26 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Oil on Columbia Pike Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 I was making a left onto Columbia Pike from Lincolnia Road this afternoon and slid out in the intersection. After picking myself up I noticed a trail of what looks like hydraulic or brake fluid. It's patchy, but it is wide and long and very slippery. If you head through that intersection in the next few days be careful. Despite just wearing boots, jeans, gloves, helmet and t-shirt I was fine. Just a bit of road rash on my elbow. Please no lectures, I've been shopping for leather for a while now. The bike got a broken mirror and some scrapes. No big deal. I was lucky that I was going slow and didn't slide into a car. Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 13:33:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13417; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21212 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21236 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:33:08 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WGJHa20769 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4a198934.35a8f213@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:27:46 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Crash advice (long but please read) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 In a message dated 98-07-12 03:14:30 EDT, WantAZX6@XXXXXX writes: > catapulted me into > the back of another rider on a GSXR. > Ive been told that in a situation like this ins. cos. cant be sure who is at > fault so they wont pay. > First, you rear ended him. That means you are at fault no matter what either of you say. Second, judges and insurance companies aren't bound by the decision of either party to the accident regarding fault If the matter makes it to the insurance company or the courtroom they make up their own minds. Judges take statements into account but are paid to think for themselves. Since you rear ended him, it is clear cut, His being a nice guy doesn't matter. Third, you should either turn it over to your insurance company or just pay him for repairs. Forget splitting it. If you settle it yourself just hope he doesn't hit you for a rental car or other damages. Sorry, Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 15:13:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14194; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21604 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22472 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:13:06 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WESZa11435 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:11:15 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Hey Craig...... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 Did you paint your TL yourself? With the scrapes and stuff I think I may just repaint it. Always wanted a black one anyway. If you painted it, how did you do it? Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 15:21:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14215; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21655 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22555 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:21:06 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WODTa04160; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:18:36 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Crash Advice Part 2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 Ok there was a thing or two I left out of the first post. First, the guy on the GSXR told me before we started riding that his frame was already slightly bent from a previous accident. How do I keep them from trying to hit me with bending his frame (aside from I think its next to impossible to bend a GSXR frame on a 15 MPH crash)? Second, he did slow down in front of me for no apparent reason. Since some of you were talking about following distances and such, we did have about 15 feet between us but the combo of him slowing and me catapulting closed that distance quickly. I always keep at least 3 seconds time between me and the person in front of me. Next, he has no insurance, is this an issue at all? I talked to a policeman friend of mine who told me (I take with a grain of salt) that since he is riding without insurance he shouldnt even be on the road and in a court that may work against him since he was riding illegally, regardless of the crash. One last thing, I was told by my ins.co. that aftermarket exhaust and accessories are not covered in a crash. Is this true? I think I had seen this somewhere as well. In the end, I am going to pay his damages, but I am seriously worried about them trying to hit me with bending his frame. If the frame is not brought into account the damage shouldnt be more than maybe $1500 at most. Rather pay that then my rates go up that much per year. Sound wise? Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 16:38:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA14832; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22838 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23713 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:38:18 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id CYJOa17153; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:37:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <81ffa9f7.35a91e85@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:37:24 EDT To: falcor@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sunday Ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Frank, You're in Germantown? I ride that 355, 80, etc. route all the time! I live in Frederick. Since I'm just up the road, maybe we could get together some time for some rides! I had no idea there were riders up here in my neck of the woods. Later! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 85 Nighthawk 450 (for sale) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 17:23:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA15572; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA23562 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (known imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25119 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:23:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WREPa12330; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <64c5ba17.35a92920@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:22:39 EDT To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Crash Advice Part 2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Well, whether or not he has insurance is irrelevant. The fact that he told you his frame was bent before the accident may be helpful if you pay him out- of-pocket, however, if he decides to make a claim against your insurance company, he can probably deny he ever said such a thing, it's your word against his. If your goal is to avoid higher insurance costs in the future then you should try to come to a reasonable arrangement, but I would have him sign a release (have it notarized) which indicates that he is satisfied with your payment and that he will make no further claims against you or your insurance company. Ciao, From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 18:11:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA15807; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA24183 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA25647 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.52]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:08:45 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: Cc: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Crash Advice Part 2 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:09:50 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdade1$c9ede5a0$3480e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Too many questions for me to answer. Cept one. Your insurance co. may or may not cover aftermarket stuff. Depends on the policy. Your best bet is to inform them what is on the bike as you add it. My BMW had a bunch of odds and ends on it, so what I did was give the ins. co. a copy of my bill of sale (which had all of the odds and ends enumerated). But you make a good point. I have to see my ins. agent this week (nothing bad. Actually refinancing my car, and maybe my bike to save a few points of interest) and will double check my own policies. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 19:32:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16185; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA24616 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26606 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA21297; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:32:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Crash Advice Part 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Good Man! If you hit him from behind it is your fault... not to be pickey... but that is the law. No matter what, unless you are pushed by another vehicle, you rear ened him. (I assume from your description.) Even though we don't have "rear ends", a point I wish people in cars would realize!!! Seeing as he told you about the bent frame, I do not think he could claim it. (You can win that one if someone heard him tell you.) His insurence... well in DC, VA, and MD you MUST have insurence to operate a vehicle. I am not sure how that would play out, but do not see how it has much to do with this. He didn't hit you... and DC is not a "no fault" "state... hehe that is almost an arguement in itself. Unless the damage is like thousands of dollars I would simply pay it. The preimum would not only raise on your bike, but your car too... if it is insured by the same company. (They get you any way they can.) All-in-all I think you are doing the right thing. I would ride with ya any day. Don't let him take advantage of your honisty and sence of responsibility with the frame though! :) -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Sun, 12 Jul 1998 WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > Ok there was a thing or two I left out of the first post. First, the guy on > the GSXR told me before we started riding that his frame was already slightly > bent from a previous accident. How do I keep them from trying to hit me with > bending his frame (aside from I think its next to impossible to bend a GSXR > frame on a 15 MPH crash)? Second, he did slow down in front of me for no > apparent reason. Since some of you were talking about following distances and > such, we did have about 15 feet between us but the combo of him slowing and me > catapulting closed that distance quickly. I always keep at least 3 seconds > time between me and the person in front of me. Next, he has no insurance, is > this an issue at all? I talked to a policeman friend of mine who told me (I > take with a grain of salt) that since he is riding without insurance he > shouldnt even be on the road and in a court that may work against him since he > was riding illegally, regardless of the crash. One last thing, I was told by > my ins.co. that aftermarket exhaust and accessories are not covered in a > crash. Is this true? I think I had seen this somewhere as well. > In the end, I am going to pay his damages, but I am seriously worried about > them trying to hit me with bending his frame. If the frame is not brought > into account the damage shouldnt be more than maybe $1500 at most. Rather pay > that then my rates go up that much per year. Sound wise? > > Jack > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 19:53:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA16239; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:53:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA24693 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA26815 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:52:55 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 6PNGa22588; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:51:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8b77fabc.35a94c0b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:51:38 EDT To: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: TL paint job color suggestions? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 I am seriously considering repainting my TL (currently dark green) since those fairing scratches are rather obvious (and please, save the "character" stuff). Anybody have any suggestions as to a color? I like black but maybe thats too common. Actually I was imagining a white TL with the black engine, chrome headers and stock pipes. Just get dirty too fast tho. Also, I wouldnt paint it until after the tank is replaced (which, has started to leak a bit....brown trail on the frame) with the recall one. Any suggestions? I am looking for solid colors only (unless you have a really kick ass idea). Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 20:11:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA16359; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA25045 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:11:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA27015 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id UAA12350; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:09:51 -0400 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:09:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: [Fwd: FS: '72 Triumph Tiger] (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=------------5C820979CFAC9F191E49A47E Content-ID: This message is in MIME format. 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They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:29:01 -0400 From: Morris Berman To: mberman@XXXXXX Subject: [Fwd: FS: '72 Triumph Tiger] --------------5C820979CFAC9F191E49A47E Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-ID: Path: news!global-news-master!newsfeed.concentric.net!nntp.giganews.com!news-feed1.tiac.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!hecate.umd.edu!dailyplanet.wam.umd.edu!rac6.wam.umd.edu!gdv From: gdv Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,dc.forsale.misc,balt.forsale Subject: FS: '72 Triumph Tiger Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:43:15 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, MD Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: rac6.wam.umd.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Xref: news balt.forsale:34888 dc.forsale.misc:8170 rec.motorcycles:553035 Original condition except for paint (has been painted original? blue), 16K miles, new brakes, heavy-duty clutch, spokes, tires and battery, very well maintained. Comes with service manual and parts book. All parts there except for original left handlebar grip and one rear directional lens. Bike is located in R.I. Delivery to another state between RI and Maryland can be arranged. Need cash to buy car. Will consider trade for sports car (Nissan 300ZX, Honda CRX, or ?). Asking only $1600. You won't find another one at this price... --------------5C820979CFAC9F191E49A47E-- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 21:09:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16683; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25820 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (known thehub.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27532 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-6.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.47]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA15803 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:09:24 -0400 Message-ID: <078901bdadfa$d68c7380$4510b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Summer of the motorcycle in New York -- S. Manes Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:09:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Today's New York Times -- front page of New York Report section -- color picture of bikers in SOHO and lengthy article. http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/news/national/regional/071298ny-summer.html [may require simple registration] Some of the meatier parts follow. Bill Swanson / DC 96 EN500 LTD (in limbo) Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ********* "Engines Roaring, Pagers Beeping; Middle Class Leads a Renewed Romance With Biker Culture" . . . The dozen riders who roared through the West Village one night last week included a surgeon whose leather jacket has a special pocket for his hospital beeper; an engineer from Pennsylvania with two small children, and a former New Jersey police officer turned computer analyst wearing a "Ride Nude" T-shirt. Vicki Rossetti, 36, who works for an insurance company, was along and not on the back of her boyfriend's bike -- she commands her own black Harley-Davidson Sportster. . . . The Hooligans, a loose collection of middle-class motorcycle fanatics, had picked up a crowd. And it was not the first time since the weather turned warm. It happens nearly every time they roam these days around Manhattan, a city in the middle of a renewed romance with biker culture. Steve Manes, a Web site developer who sometimes rides with the group, calls it "the summer of the motorcycle in New York," and there is ample evidence to support the claim. . . . In many neighborhoods, garage space reserved for motorcycles is full, because more people are buying motorcycles and because the city has begun to crack down on an increasing number of motorcycles illegally parked between cars and on traffic islands. Classes for the city's best-known motorcycle safety course are booked through the summer, and the school's director, Gasper Trama, who has trained the likes of Liam Neeson, Matthew Broderick and Alan Alda, said the demand is the highest he has seen in several years. Manhattan's motorcycle-friendly bars -- Hogs and Heifers in the meatpacking district, the Ear Inn in Soho, Red Rock West in Chelsea, American Trash on the Upper East Side and Barcode in the East Village -- are all seeing larger crowds of bikers. And, in perhaps the quintessential confirmation of a New York City trend, people are angry. Those who live within earshot of the biker bars have begun to complain about the noise, particularly the screams emitted by motorcycles with illegally altered mufflers called drag pipes, which are loud enough to trigger car alarms. Hundreds of Chelsea residents along 10th Avenue signed a petition to the police complaining about the noise. Arthur Strickler, the district manager of the community board that represents Soho and the West Village, said the board is considering asking the City Council to ban motorcycles from the neighborhood altogether, though it admits such a ban would probably never work. Short of that, the board is pushing for fines even steeper and stricter than those enacted by the City Council last year for excessive noise. . . . Then, of course, there's the fact that it is just undeniably cool to be riding a motorcycle on the streets of Manhattan. Mark Novitz, a 30-year-old computer analyst who bought his first BMW motorcycle three years ago, vowed never to use it to get around the city because he considered it too dangerous, "but that fell apart in a couple of weeks," he said. "Going through the Helmsley Building tunnel on Park Avenue or up Riverside Drive to Grant's Tomb -- on a bike it's just a completely different thing," he said. Kyrie Collins, an aspiring entrepreneur who waits tables at Moomba, the trendy West Village restaurant, said simply and only somewhat facetiously: "I KNOW I look good on my bike." Ms. Collins, 35, has been riding for 11 years and despite being seriously injured four years ago while touring California, she said she never really considered not climbing back on her sleek gray Moto Guzzi. "People ride in New York because it makes them unique," she said recently, her bike lined up with about 40 others during a regular Tuesday night conclave at the Ear Inn. "It makes me run solo in a city of 8 million." She added: "It's also deeply erogenous. It's always been a male bike to me. So I guess what I'm saying basically is -- it's all about sex." . . . And, while no one will admit to being one, everyone seems to disparage riders they call RUBs -- rich urban bikers -- who buy $40,000 custom-made specialty bikes like Titans or Californias simply because they can afford them. "English Don" Cornwallis, a well-known New York motorcycle builder, blames RUB's for the growing sentiment against motorcycles in many neighborhoods. "In recent years the motorcycle has become the new gotta-have toy for the urban classless rich," he wrote in a city biker newspaper. "These idiots are the perpetrators of the loud pipes and ridiculous showboating around these bars." But lest anyone think that the rebel spirit has completely died in such veteran riders, he added a defiant coda to the article, referring to the possibility that the police might break up a quasi-secret motorcycle get-together this month at a bar in the East Village if it turned noisy: "If the man gets wind of the shindig and tries to ambush us, in August we'll go nomad on them, so watch this space for info." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 21:15:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA16701; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:15:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA25896 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (known camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA27583 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (user-38lcmi3.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.90.67]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA02824 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:14:29 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDADDA.0E4635C0.zellto@mindspring.com> From: "Thomas W.Zell" Reply-To: "zellto@XXXXXX" To: "Cycles, DC -- DC Cycles" Subject: I'm Back... Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:14:27 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit no luck renting a motorcycle in Ireland, though.... I did see a CBR 250 while I was there...how cute. I didn't know they made them that small. When I asked some guys who'd just gotten off their bikes if there was anywhere to rent a bike for a week they looked at me like I was speaking a foreign language. Hmmm Saw a sweeeeet Duc in England, though! - Jeannette GLAD to be home!! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 21:57:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA17039; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA26108 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28086 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:57:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.84] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA02407; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:58:01 -0400 Message-ID: <35A92296.97010E98@anent.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:54:46 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hey Craig...... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes , I did but that was when I worked at a Body shop . Now I am working at PRC in McLean, No body shop there...And I'm going to need my new (recall) Tank Painted... :~( I have a friend that does painting and he will be doing my new tank, I'll see what he wants to paint your bike parts if you want ? You can cut the cost way down by doing the PREP work yourself , and I would be willing to show you that part of it... Craig WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > Did you paint your TL yourself? With the scrapes and stuff I think I may just > repaint it. Always wanted a black one anyway. > If you painted it, how did you do it? > > Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 21:58:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA17043; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA26117 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (known alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA28093 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id VAA20602 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA07475 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LJTanner.mci.com ([166.41.110.109]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980713015723.MBLQ11946@XXXXXX> for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:57:23 -0400 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: A bolt of Pontiac -- MC down Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:57:00 -0400 Message-ID: <001101bdae01$85f70280$6d6e29a6@LJTanner.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <070301bdadb8$1a4ec700$4510b1cd@newmicronpc> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sorry to hear of your mishap - heal soon and get riding again. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze mobacc said sadly: Vulcan down. Not, as thought, godlike invincible. Me now walking (with winces), thank the Lord. Shiny bike probably totalled. Having obvious time available, here's a recap that may benefit. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 22:02:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA17069; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA26194 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28132 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.84] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA02418; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:02:24 -0400 Message-ID: <35A9239D.66CFED77@anent.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:59:09 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles Subject: Re: TL paint job color suggestions? References: <8b77fabc.35a94c0b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you see any car on the road that you like .....we can get that color mixed up ..Just remember what year it may have been, Etc.. And....try to find a good image on the net and copy the image into Photoshop or a similar program and color it with other colors to get an idea of what it will look like first... Craig WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > I am seriously considering repainting my TL (currently dark green) since those > fairing scratches are rather obvious (and please, save the "character" stuff). > Anybody have any suggestions as to a color? I like black but maybe thats too > common. Actually I was imagining a white TL with the black engine, chrome > headers and stock pipes. Just get dirty too fast tho. Also, I wouldnt paint > it until after the tank is replaced (which, has started to leak a bit....brown > trail on the frame) with the recall one. Any suggestions? I am looking for > solid colors only (unless you have a really kick ass idea). > > Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 23:09:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17370; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26528 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns2.wheatintl.com (known [38.218.78.34] [38.218.78.34]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28677 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by ns2.wheatintl.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) id XAA24635; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-41-201.s201.tnt10.brd.erols.com(207.172.41.201) by ns2 via smap (V2.0) id xma024632; Sun, 12 Jul 98 23:08:22 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980712230901.0144a830@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:09:11 -0400 To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: Crash advice (long but please read) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The situation sucks, but I believe you would have to pay all of his repairs (besides the frame bending) since it may not have been entirely your fault due to conditions, but it apparently was not his fault at all.... At 02:12 AM 7/12/98 EDT, WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: >This evening I had an unfortunate incident occur and was wondering if anyone >could contribute some advice. This evening in Georgetown (DC for you on the >TL list) I was riding with a few other people. We were going down M Street at >about 25 MPH. We started accelerating when my TL ran over some oil or a >manhole cover. The back tire lost traction (plenty of rubber on it) for a >second (spinning) and suddenly caught traction again and catapulted me into >the back of another rider on a GSXR. I tried to brake in time but the short >distance seperating us didnt give me enough time. We both went >down....uninjured luckily. My TL sustained very minor damage (broken left >front turn signal...nothing a little super glue cant take care of, broken >brake pedal.....some more glue or something similar and a scuff on the >fairing....all minor) but the GSXR didnt fare so well. Severely dented >exhaust pipe, scuffed fairing, assorted small damage (signal, etc). It >started right up as did my TL. Anyway, we made the two BIG NO-NO's when it >comes to accidents. We both agreed that it was a no fault accident and we >didnt involve the cops so no report or anything. Im not trying to get out of >helping him with his bike but I dont think that my insurance will pay shit >considering we agreed it was no fault and there is no report to decide fault. >After all, it doesnt bother me that ins wont pay. >Ive been told that in a situation like this ins. cos. cant be sure who is at >fault so they wont pay. If Im not mistaken considering the circumstances I >technically wouldnt have to pay him anything (but Im not like that). Does >anyone have any advice or similar situations? I would be willing to pay half >of the repair estimate but not much more. Please help. > >Jack > _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Current Top Pet Peeves: 1) Not driving with lights on in rain and fog 2) Door Dings 3) Lunch interruptions From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 23:11:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17377; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26554 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA28722 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA21752; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:10:53 -0400 (EDT) From: adl64@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: DC-Cycles Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Witty Conversation [Sorta Long] Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 03:14:20 GMT Message-ID: <35af769e.793267327@relay.mnsinc.com> References: <35A88234.BAF3DC60@anent.com> In-Reply-To: <35A88234.BAF3DC60@anent.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, Ursulina, Leslie and myself had a great weekend, just filled to the brim with motorcycles. On Saturday we headed to Summit Point where we were arrived barely in time to catch Collin in action. We stayed the whole afternoon, and got to see lots of racing. It was great! A bit of sunburn all around, though. Today we hit some twisty roads, lunched in Winchester and slabbed it back on Route 7. Finished breaking in the GPZ, and am totally convinced I bought the perfect bike for me. It is amazingly fast and powerful (for me at least) but at the same time smooth, stable, and confidence inspiring. Not really worthy of a "ride report" but I have to pass along some conversational highlights from the weekend: Saturday, getting gas in Charles Town. Group of young boys come up to me, "How fast does your motorcycle go? Me, "Supposedly 145 mph, but *I* don't go that fast." They go over to ask Leslie the same question. Come back over and ask me if I can do a wheelie. I guess they hadn't heard that wheelies are a guy thing! :-) Saturday night, 9:00 pm or so, heading down 15 South (after losing Leslie near Frederick, oops!). We pull over into a gas station so that car that had been tailgating Ursulina could pass. Drunk local starts talking to us. He's slurring his words so bad, I can't figure out what the heck he's saying. Ursulina somehow figures out that the guy is asking us to wheelie. Obviously, he hasn't heard either! :) Either that or he was too drunk to see that we were female. Bad part, he was getting behind the wheel of a car! Looking back I guess we should have gotten his license plate # or something, but I felt so uncomfortable I just wanted to get the heck out of there. And, today, we're at a Sheetz just outside of Winchester. I'm standing next to my bike and Leslie's Katana. Leslie is off using the facilities and Ursulina was refueling. Guy in a station wagon asks me "Which one is yours?" I point the the GPZ. His response? "Do you ride it?" I think this is a variation of "When your boyfriend/husband comes out of the bathroom, tell him "nice bike"!!! Ugh! Well, I hope everyone else got out to enjoy the great weather. Just wonderful, especially for July! Anita '96 GPZ1100 (my bike, and I ride it) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 12 23:53:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA17601; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA26812 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA29263 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA24711 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A9AF8B.3351@mnsinc.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:56:11 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Summit Point Mini-Report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey DC Gys & Gals, This is no test! (Bruce, why were not out riding that pretty Interceptor of yours instead of playing at your computer? ;) Most of you missed a great weekend at Summit Point where CCS races were held this weekend. I assisted there with MARRC as did Brian McCoy, and we helped cheer along two of our number who were racing - to wit, Collin and Thane. (If I am missing anyone else who raced "mea maxima culpa" ...) Collin placed 6th today but I wasn't aware - prolly 'cuz the field was so large, and Thane took 1st yesterday in one of his races (!) Collin took a light spill on Saturday, but that's his story (He's fine...) Espied in the audience both days was the Horkster and today Linda (whoa - nice paint job on the Goof Linda, looks great! Maybe Dale will sell you his helmet which appears to match it ;) No red flags this weekend either (I do not count the Race School's mock race ending which was a sharp departure from last month's SP gig. Hope the West Side Double Yellow Mofo Gang had fun too - looking forward to your report! Ciao, JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 00:26:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA18387; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA28135 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:25:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29717 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:25:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id AAA26851 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:25:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A9B708.183B@mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:28:08 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Party Directions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gang, OK, hopefully the following directions will disabuse some of you that I was only joshing that we are having a party on Saturday, July 25th at our new home. As I indicated in an earlier post, kids are more than welcome beginning at 1700 hrs or so. The earlier hour will allow them to burn out by about 2000 hrs leaving the ambience more adult-oriented, if you know what I mean. (Not that anyone is gonna get booted or anything ;) Anyway, it will be a _simple_ affair; we'll have burgers, dogs, beer, pop, etc... If people wish to bring a dish to share that would be great, but it's not mandatory or anything. I would appreciate RSVP (thanks to those of who have already done so!) so I have an idea of numbers. There is plenty of off-street parking for cages in our 'hood and our driveway (modest in length) should accomodate 20+ motorcycles. OK, here's the coordinates: 2922 2nd Street South Arlington, 22204 892-2197 / 2198 >From Springfield VA and beyond, take 395 up to Glebe Rd. North. You'll spill out around 24th St. South. Drive up to 2nd St. South, which is two blocks before Rte. 50. Turn right, go for six blocks or so until Garfield. Find a place to park unless you're on two wheels. We are the second house after Garfield on the right. >From DC, Alexandria or Pentagon area (395 southbound), take Rte 27 (Washington Blvd) and go to 2nd Street South exit (right before Rte 50). Go down a few lights, pass Fillmore and we're the second last house on the left. >From Maryland, take 495 to the GW PKwy. Go to Key Bridge exit. Do not go on Key Bridge!! (You'll end up in DC - duh...) Instead cross the bridge traffic lanes and turn left, which places you on Ft. Meyer Drive and stay in the middle lanes. You'll see signs for Rte. 50 West in a few blocks. Take that exit (on the right) and go down 2 miles to Fillmore (1st light after Washington Blvd exits) and turn left. Go two blocks to the first light (2nd Street) and turn right. We are the second last house on the left. If anyone gets lost or finds it difficult to understand these directions, feel free to call. It should be fun. Hope to see a bunch of y'all there. JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 00:46:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA18483; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA29234 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA00077 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.43]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:43:25 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: TL paint job color suggestions? Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:44:32 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bdae18$ed81d940$2b80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <8b77fabc.35a94c0b@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Yellow or orange. Not like this is a subtle bike:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 06:18:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA20367; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 06:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA02666 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 06:18:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ntserver1.compsol.net (known ntserver1.compsol.net [209.54.72.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA03595 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 06:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default [209.54.75.106] by ntserver1.compsol.net (SMTPD32-4.03) id AE5654340130; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 06:15:50 EDT From: "Mark Ayotte" To: "George Howell" , "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "BMW Motorcycle List" Subject: Re: Another Deal's Gap message... Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 05:57:05 -0400 Message-ID: <01bdae44$97184040$4d4b36d1@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 >I went to Deal's Gap yesterday for a long anticipated ride. I was >extremely disappointed to find myself face-to-face with a U.S. park ranger. > He informed me that, effective this past Tuesday, July 7th, all >motorcycles riding Deal's Gap must have a permit from the U.S. Park >Service. How do you spell discrimination ? Mark Ayotte From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 08:13:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA20959; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA03882 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04510 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id IAA21029; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:12:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35AA2484.6ACA@mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:15:16 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Party Directions References: <199807131104.HAA00384@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit zbig@XXXXXX wrote: > You missed directions from West side... Ooops, OK, thanks Zbig.. Here we go. From Great Falls/Sterling/Leesburg, take Rte 7 east to Dulles Toll Road and head for I-66 East. Take that to exit 71 (Glebe Road). Turn right, go about 1.5 miles until you see Rte 50. Continue for two more blocks until 2nd Street South. There is a 7-11 gas station on the corner. Turn left, go for six blocks or so until Garfield. We are the second house after Garfield on the right. JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 08:52:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA21120; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:52:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04178 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA05019 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807131252.IAA05019@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A2E0730180; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:51:44 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:54:23 -0400 To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Another Deal's Gap message... In-Reply-To: <000001bdada7$43f957c0$2080e2cf@ghowell> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >From: nathan >I went to Deal's Gap yesterday for a long anticipated ride. I was >extremely disappointed to find myself face-to-face with a U.S. park ranger. > He informed me that, effective this past Tuesday, July 7th, all >motorcycles riding Deal's Gap must have a permit from the U.S. Park >Service. Since US129 runs through national forests, the U.S. Forestry >Service determined that the park service, having a permit system set up, >would be the logical choice to administer the permits and enforce same. Hmmmm ... A Federal permit required to ride on a State highway? Only motorcycles are required to buy these permits? Possibly true, probably not. >The permit costs $300 per year, and includes a "cleanup" fee and a $100,000 >accidental death and dismemberment insurance policy for those motorcyclists >that "go down" while riding the Gap. Apparently, there has been a great >deal of money spent on cleanup after riders wreck their bikes, and their >insurance policies don't always cover that cleanup. That's true - reckless riders hurt us all. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 09:03:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21288; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04275 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco.eisi.com (known draco.eisi.com [204.6.58.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05345 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by draco.eisi.com; id JAA12849; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(10.3.1.4) by draco.eisi.com via smap (4.0a) id xma012823; Mon, 13 Jul 98 09:03:07 -0400 Received: by hrnexch1.eisi.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3WWC4SRL>; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:03:21 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Whiteside, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: failing to see bikers Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:03:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >I've come to believe that folks don't look for other vehicles, rather they >look for open spots in traffic, and don't see what they aren't looking for. Or parking spots. Which is what happened to me in Old Town yesterday. There I am sitting at a light on a side street, when this guy in an old Honda Accord in front of me (MD plates, natch) suddenly back up because he sees a parking spot across the street and wants to do a 3-pt turn to get into it. I go for the horn but too late -- thud, into my front tire. No damage to bike, me, or him. He jumps out of the car, says "Are you OK?" (at least he asked the right question first. I take a look at the bike just to be sure all's well and say, "You need to look behind you before you back up!" He says, "I looked in the side mirror... I didn't see you..." I say, irate but not nasty, "I guess that really isn't enough, is it. That's why they tell you to physically turn your head around in driver ed." He apologizes profusely, I give him a "you are a total idiot look" and say, "Learn something from this, OK? What there was a pedestrian behind you? Or a baby carriage?" He didn't bother to try to get the parking spot... just drove away embarrassed. --John Whiteside From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 09:23:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21644; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04624 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zip1.ziplink.net (known zip1.ziplink.net [206.15.168.18]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05756 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (holm@localhost) by zip1.ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA19788 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:21:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Julie and/or Mark Holm To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ride to Work Wednesday In-Reply-To: <199807122300.TAA24386@tove.cs.umd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I apologize if this is redundant, but I have been too busy to do more than briefly scan the list. And not riding except to work, either. :-( Anyway, Wednesday is Ride to Work Day, sponsored by the AMA and some other groups. As many as can should get on those bikes and ride. Let the folks on the road know how many of us there are. Let the folks in your office know that "regular" people, like their colleages, ride. You can even do this if you take metro. Many metro stations (including Vienna and Dunn Loring) have motorcycle parking in the Kiss and Ride area. And its free. If you ride a bike to Vienna (where this parking is on the south side of the station only, by the way) you can save the $2.25 parking fee that you otherwise pay when you take a car. And these parking spaces are terribly underused. See you on the road Wednesday, and in the metro lot (I'll be parked at Dunn Loring) Julie --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Julie Holm (ENTP)| DoD #1604 AMA#397939 UKMC# 0001 VOC# 4672 holm@XXXXXX | 1985 Virago 700 "Maureen" | I'm home at http://www.ziplink.net/~holm NGG Webmistress | Remember the PINK PAGES are always changing (Just and Armourer | like a Nasty Girlie's mind!) | NGG home page http://www.ziplink.net/~holm/ngg/ngg.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 09:24:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21659; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04634 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05781 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807131324.JAA05781@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AA7BBD0180; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:24:14 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:18:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Crash Advice Part 2 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:18 PM 7/12/98 -0400, WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > How do I keep them from trying to hit me with >bending his frame (aside from I think its next to impossible to bend a GSXR >frame on a 15 MPH crash)? Probably can't. Agree quickly on what his damages are. Hope he doesn't sue you for medical claims, rental car, and lots of plastic bodywork. >he did slow down in front of me for no apparent reason. What's your point? >Since some of you were talking about following distances and >such, we did have about 15 feet between us but the combo of him slowing and me >catapulting closed that distance quickly. I always keep at least 3 seconds >time between me and the person in front of me. For 15 ft. following distance to be 3 sec. behind would mean you were going less than 4 mph. In your first post you said you were going 25mph and then started to accelerate. 15 ft. would put you 0.5 sec. behind him, and accelerating. >In the end, I am going to pay his damages, but I am seriously worried about >them trying to hit me with bending his frame. If the frame is not brought >into account the damage shouldnt be more than maybe $1500 at most. Rather pay >that then my rates go up that much per year. Sound wise? Negotiate everything you can. I think you're lucky, and I believe you think so, too. This could be a lot worse - take it as a fairly cheap lesson in riding. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 09:24:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21660; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04635 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05779 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807131324.JAA05779@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AA7EBD0180; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:24:14 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:00:21 -0400 To: "Dc Cycles" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: A bolt of Pontiac -- MC down In-Reply-To: <070301bdadb8$1a4ec700$4510b1cd@newmicronpc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:10 PM 7/12/98 -0400, mobacc wrote: > In these near perfect conditions, >a little after noon last Monday, >I was poking north on 213 just past the middle of Centreville, MD. > >KEEEEEEEERIIIIST!! A bolt from the blue, an '86 Pontiac, came across the >road >from the left (not a left turner; had previously been noted/discounted; >slow speed) immediately in front of me. Whew. Glad you're okay. [insert standard rant against Brain Dead Cagers being allowed to drive on public roads] Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 09:34:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21894; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04786 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06138 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807131334.JAA06138@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ACB04E4033E; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:33:36 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:30:35 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: failing to see bikers In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:03 AM 7/13/98 -0400, Whiteside, John wrote: >He says, "I looked in the side mirror... I didn't see you..." > >I say, irate but not nasty, "I guess that really isn't enough, is it. That's >why they tell you to physically turn your head around in driver ed." > >He apologizes profusely, I give him a "you are a total idiot look" and say, >"Learn something from this, OK? What there was a pedestrian behind you? Or a >baby carriage?" > >He didn't bother to try to get the parking spot... just drove away >embarrassed. Good job. Sounds like you said all the right things - those things that most of us seem to think of about a day after the incident! One more cager educated. Only millions left to go. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 09:36:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21921; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:36:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04818 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06184 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:36:44 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170E43@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: No plans for the weekend.. Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:34:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Alright.. this is a rarity, I've no plans for this weekend (I really need to take someone out on a ride for awhile one night.. no biggie though). I don't know that I'm up to hanging with the double yellow mofo gang if they're out cruising.. but I'm up for a spirited ride. 400~500 miles should be a decient day - haven't been on a NoVA ride in forever.. so even the old rutine ride would be fun for me.. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 09:41:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA21985; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA04902 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06289 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA08518 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:41:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: No plans for the weekend.. In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170E43@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > Alright.. this is a rarity, I've no plans for this weekend (I really > need to take someone out on a ride for awhile one night.. no biggie > though). I might be able to get out on Saturday. I'd like to do a ride on my brother's Radian so I'll be a fair bit slower than usual (due to the bouncy bouncy suspension). I'll let you know. > double yellow mofo gang What is this? Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 09:51:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22046; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05036 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06488 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:51:07 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WLIZa06640 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:48:03 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Crash Advice Part 2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 In a message dated 98-07-12 15:24:26 EDT, WantAZX6@XXXXXX writes: > How do I keep them from trying to hit me with > bending his frame (aside from I think its next to impossible to bend a GSXR > frame on a 15 MPH crash)? A good mechanic should be able to tell what damage was preexisting. He should let a mechanic of your choosing look it over to get up an estimate. > Second, he did slow down in front of me for no > apparent reason. He had right of way. Its your fault. On top of that you lost control. Forget putting any negligence onto him. > Next, he has no insurance, is > this an issue at all? I talked to a policeman friend of mine who told me (I > take with a grain of salt) that since he is riding without insurance he > shouldnt even be on the road and in a court that may work against him since > he was riding illegally. Even if he had no license, you were negligent. It is an issue you could bring up if fault was unclear but no point here. > I was told by my ins.co. that aftermarket exhaust and accessories are not covered in a > crash. In Virginia you are required to have a minimum amount of auto insurance for the personal property of others that you might damage. [$25,000 I think.] You don't have to have any coverage for your property. Your insurance company may not cover your accessories if you are at fault. Your insurance should cover all of his property damages including exhaust, accessories, torn clothes, broken glasses, loss of use of the vehicle, etc. > Rather pay > that then my rates go up that much per year. Sound wise? Depends on your record and particulars. Check with your agent but be careful. You are required to report all accidents and they may take it as a report if you tell them the details. Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 09:55:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22078; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05139 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:55:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (known imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06623 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:55:24 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WUJa012330 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:53:41 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Crash Advice Part 2 - following dist. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-07-13 09:31:54 EDT, you write: << >Since some of you were talking about following distances and >such, we did have about 15 feet between us but the combo of him slowing and me >catapulting closed that distance quickly. I always keep at least 3 seconds >time between me and the person in front of me. For 15 ft. following distance to be 3 sec. behind would mean you were going less than 4 mph. In your first post you said you were going 25mph and then started to accelerate. 15 ft. would put you 0.5 sec. behind him, and accelerating. >> Well, my figures as to distance may not be very accurate (didnt use a tape measure). But at any rate, there was a 3 second cushion. Nit picking? Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 10:06:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22321; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05335 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1a.yahoomail.com (known send1a.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.22]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06920 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980713140458.15255.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send1a; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 07:04:58 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 07:04:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: No plans for the weekend.. To: Kirk Roy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---Kirk Roy wrote: > > double yellow mofo gang > > What is this? > > Kirk > > Perhaps this is a question best answered by John K. "Pass FAST on double yellow's" == _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 10:14:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22679; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:14:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05458 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA.COM (known pasha.com [207.32.107.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07228 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PASHA-Message_Server by PASHA.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:03:25 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:02:50 -0400 From: Sean Sullivan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Saturday Ride Report Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Saturday Ride Report Sounds like fun! You guys had a great day for riding. Sean Sullivan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well it all started at the Amoco in Marshall , the group was all together by 7:50a.m. Lets do this every weekend ;~) Craig (hope I got it right) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 10:25:51 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22992; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05581 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07531 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:25:41 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id KAA25671 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:25:30 -0400 Message-Id: <199807131425.KAA25671@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:25:30 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:25:30 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:25:30 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:18:38 -0400 Subject: Crash advice (long but please read) To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <63538000.35a853c2@aol.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME Jack, Based on what you said happened, if you had called the police, you most likely would of been cited for the following: Failing to maintain proper control. Following too closely. If you rear end someone, YOU are ALWAYS at fault. IMHO, if you don't want to involve the police/insurance companies, YOU need to ante up the money to repair your friends bike. He didn't hit YOU...in fact, you hit HIM and in the eyes of the law, are liable for damages. -aki > This evening I had an unfortunate incident occur and was wondering if anyone > could contribute some advice. This evening in Georgetown (DC for you on the > TL list) I was riding with a few other people. We were going down M Street at > about 25 MPH. We started accelerating when my TL ran over some oil or a > manhole cover. The back tire lost traction (plenty of rubber on it) for a > second (spinning) and suddenly caught traction again and catapulted me into > the back of another rider on a GSXR. I tried to brake in time but the short > distance seperating us didnt give me enough time. We both went > down....uninjured luckily. My TL sustained very minor damage (broken left > front turn signal...nothing a little super glue cant take care of, broken > brake pedal.....some more glue or something similar and a scuff on the > fairing....all minor) but the GSXR didnt fare so well. Severely dented > exhaust pipe, scuffed fairing, assorted small damage (signal, etc). It > started right up as did my TL. Anyway, we made the two BIG NO-NO's when it > comes to accidents. We both agreed that it was a no fault accident and we > didnt involve the cops so no report or anything. Im not trying to get out of > helping him with his bike but I dont think that my insurance will pay shit > considering we agreed it was no fault and there is no report to decide fault. > After all, it doesnt bother me that ins wont pay. > Ive been told that in a situation like this ins. cos. cant be sure who is at > fault so they wont pay. If Im not mistaken considering the circumstances I > technically wouldnt have to pay him anything (but Im not like that). Does > anyone have any advice or similar situations? I would be willing to pay half > of the repair estimate but not much more. Please help. > > Jack > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 10:39:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA23302; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05819 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.mcit.com (known beta.mcit.com [199.249.19.143]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07990 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by beta.mcit.com (8.8.8/) with ESMTP id JAA21629 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:38:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (nmss1a.mcit.com [166.37.172.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id JAA08194 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:38:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LJTanner.mci.com ([166.32.84.50]) by nmss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980713143828.MZOS11946@XXXXXX> for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:38:28 -0400 From: "Linda Tanner" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: Mid-Ohio Superbike Races Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:38:24 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bdae6b$e4acb760$325420a6@LJTanner.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 For those of you who REALLY don't have anything to do this weekend... The Mid-Ohio Superbike races are July 17-19, 1998. Info on the track can be found at http://www.midohio.com/ I've talked to a few folks about this and it's gotten rave reviews. Street Atlas 5.0 says it about ~420 miles and 7:12 hours away. So, I'm going. I'll be leaving probably early Friday morning and coming back Sunday. They allow camping at the track for $25, so I'll be taking my gear. Anyone else interested, let me know. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 11:08:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA23817; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07230 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA.ORG (known NB160-194.ibtnet.com [206.135.160.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09055 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ACA-Message_Server by ACA.ORG with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:06:30 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:07:47 -0400 From: David Wakefield To: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Crash Advice Part 2 -Reply "In Virginia you are required to have a minimum amount of auto insurance for the personal property of others that you might damage. $25,000 I think." Are you sure about this? Liability insurance in mandatory in Maryland, but in Virginia, I thought you had the option of paying the state some special five or six hundred dollar "no insurance fee" and then driving "at your own risk" by not carrying auto/bike insurance at all. My brother actually did this a couple of years ago. (Yeah, I know it was stupid to do so, but he thought he was saving money this way.) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 11:17:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24087; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07881 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:17:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09527 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA01701; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:17:29 -0400 (EDT) From: adl64@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: David Wakefield Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Crash Advice Part 2 -Reply Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:20:57 GMT Message-ID: <35b62599.838069437@relay.mnsinc.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:07:47 -0400, David Wakefield wrote: >Are you sure about this? Liability insurance in mandatory in Maryland, >but in Virginia, I thought you had the option of paying the state some >special five or six hundred dollar "no insurance fee" and then driving = "at >your own risk" by not carrying auto/bike insurance at all. Dave -=20 I think you are correct... except that I think it was only $300 that you had to pay! Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 11:23:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24191; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08093 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09709 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:23:10 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA25911; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:25:25 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma025746; Mon, 13 Jul 98 11:24:22 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EW100GHHHCANG@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 85256640.00546539 ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:21:49 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:21:40 -0400 Subject: Another MC shooting To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256640.00546A1B.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL What's with people shooting motorcyclists? >From today's AP news wire ... http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19980713/V000313-071398-idx.ht ml --chris ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 11:37:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24574; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08567 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po4.wam.umd.edu (known po4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.166]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10447 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac5.wam.umd.edu ((IDENT root)@rac5.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.145]) by po4.wam.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.9.0.Beta6) with ESMTP id LAA08813; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac5.wam.umd.edu ((IDENT sendmail)@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac5.wam.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.9.0.Beta6) with ESMTP id LAA20671; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by rac5.wam.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.9.0.Beta6) with SMTP id LAA20659; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:36:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: rac5.wam.umd.edu: elkouss owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:36:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Paul F. Elkouss" To: Anita Lauro cc: David Wakefield , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Crash Advice Part 2 -Reply In-Reply-To: <35b62599.838069437@relay.mnsinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It is still too high, I just got a quote for a 300k policy (liability) for only $222/yr. Coming from Jersey, insurance is so *cheap* here that it pays to get it. Paul Elkouss University of Maryland 1990 Yamaha yx600 Radian On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Anita Lauro wrote: > On Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:07:47 -0400, David Wakefield > wrote: > > >Are you sure about this? Liability insurance in mandatory in Maryland, > >but in Virginia, I thought you had the option of paying the state some > >special five or six hundred dollar "no insurance fee" and then driving "at > >your own risk" by not carrying auto/bike insurance at all. > > Dave - > > I think you are correct... except that I think it was only $300 that > you had to pay! > > Anita > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 11:39:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24623; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA08952 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10589 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:38:53 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA29757; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:41:02 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa29583; Mon, 13 Jul 98 11:39:55 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EW100I37I1NLX@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 85256640.0055C8D5 ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:36:59 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:34:30 -0400 Subject: Leno, jokes and Harleys To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256640.00559B9B.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL FYI. http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19980711/V000465-071198-idx.ht ml ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 11:40:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24709; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu (known ringding.cs.umd.edu [128.8.126.2]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09124 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA12984 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:40:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA02895; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:40:31 -0400 (EDT) From: adl64@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: "Paul F. Elkouss" Cc: David Wakefield , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Crash Advice Part 2 -Reply Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:43:58 GMT Message-ID: <35b92b01.839453345@relay.mnsinc.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:36:34 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >It is still too high, I just got a quote for a 300k policy (liability) = for >only $222/yr. Coming from Jersey, insurance is so *cheap* here that it >pays to get it. Well, I imagine the only people who would pay $300 to drive without insurance were in such a position that they couldn't purchase liability insurance for $222. Maybe I'm wrong! Anita From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 11:46:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24985; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09695 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlalaw.com (known mail.dlalaw.com [207.32.65.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11118 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DLADC01-Message_Server by dlalaw.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:40:09 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:39:52 -0400 From: Kelli Jareaux To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 95 Honda Shadow 1100 I have an opportunity to buy a 95 Honda Shadow with 4400 miles on it for $3,500. I have seen and ridden the bike. It appears to be in good condition with the exception of some slight damage done to it when it was dropped (a couple of scratches on the tail pipe, a dent in the metal foot support, and the cap on the handlebars is broken). As I rode it I noticed a vibration at about 55 mph, which the owner claims is due to his need to service the lube point (I have no idea what this is). The owner is willing to have me take it to my mechanic (Garcia, I hope you are reading this) so that will be an opportunity for me to determine if it has major repair issues. It is belt driven. I am looking for advice on whether this is a good deal and whether the shadow is a good bike. I have been riding for close to ten years but have never owned a bike that cost me more than $1,500 and never owned anything but Yamahas (which I have been very satisfied with). I currently ride a 650 and want the additional power for the highway. My bike is a 1982 and a Jewel that I will hate to get rid of. This Shadow is two tone red and black, rather than the basic black of my bike which I prefer. I want the Shadow, if it is a great deal because it will be paid off. If it is not such a great deal or not such a great bike, I will take my time and consider financing a new Virago or maybe even a Harley. I am looking for a cruiser that is quiet, smooth and fast. I know Harleys can be loud but I like the way the handlebars can be customized and the readily available accessories. Any advice is appreciated. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 11:50:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25035; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10032 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11199 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA19894; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <352PQLSV>; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:47:38 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F288F@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'christopher.meier@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Leno, jokes and Harleys Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:47:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Chris, Neither of the two Wash. Post links worked for me...could you post what you entered in their search field to get to those pages? I keep getting file not found on the ones you listed > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > [SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, July 13, 1998 11:45 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Leno, jokes and Harleys > > FYI. > > http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19980711/V000465-071198-idx.h > t > ml > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 11:58:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA25470; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10372 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA11750 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA20454; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <352PQLSX>; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:59:23 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F2891@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Kelli Jareaux'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 95 Honda Shadow 1100 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:59:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain If the bike is sound, that sounds like a fair price. Shadows are excellent machines. Kind of have that fat boy look too... (without the price tag). They are smooth, fast, and typical Honda: very reliable. A few years back when I checked out all the full size cruisers (except HD), these were by far and away the most comfortable of the cruisers. The Virago had lots of shiiny stuff that looked cheap, and the seat was really uncomfortable 9and that was just sitting on it in the showroom)...not to mention I'm not a huge fan of the high sweepback style handlebars. The Intruder was nice as well, but I think the 800 looks better than the 1400 (but only in picky ways) The Kawi Vulcan has a behemoth of an engine, but the bike just looked downright plain..nothing to get you excited other than the cc's in the motor. Have a competent mech check it out first though...your vibration could be as simple as the front tire not being balanced properly, or...it could be some serious problem... Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 12:00:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25513; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:00:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10484 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11825 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA21960; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:02:09 -0400 Message-ID: <35AA2F09.9209C8E@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:00:09 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Crash Advice Part 2 - following dist. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't buy it. If there was a 3 sec following distance, then your reaction time to the stuff in the road was horrible. At 25 mph, stopping time is less than two seconds, and stopping distance is about 30 feet. A one second reaction at 25 mph would take 37 feet. A 3 second following distance at 25 is 3*37 feet or a little over 100 feet. So if you really did have a 3 second following distance, you had more than 100 feet; should have been able to stop in about 70 feet, but still rear-ended the vehicle in front of you. Given your description, I would believe that you were following MUCH closer than 3 seconds (but probably farther than 15 ft.) when the incident happened. It really doesn't matter. You (or your insurance company) have an obligation to fix the GSX-R. Leon. Chris Norloff observed: > For 15 ft. following distance to be 3 sec. behind would mean you were going > less than 4 mph. In your first post you said you were going 25mph and then > started to accelerate. 15 ft. would put you 0.5 sec. behind him, and > accelerating. >> > WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > Well, my figures as to distance may not be very accurate (didnt use a tape > measure). But at any rate, there was a 3 second cushion. Nit picking? > > Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 12:12:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA25847; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA10850 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12350 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA21194 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <352PQLS9>; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:12:48 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F2894@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: racing: short version Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:12:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain The short scoop: Saturday I disengaged my brain. Mild lowside in Turn 5 at about 50mph (that's why I lowsided:)) No harm to me or bike (other than some dirt and pride). Got up, engaged brain, re-entered the race and turned some fairly consistent lap times and passed a lot of people back but was still a lap down on them...finished 26 of 32. Sunday was much better. Took it fairly easy in practice, made a few suspension tweaks, got a decent start, passed a handful of people then diced with one other guy till the end of the race. He passed me on the binders into turn 1 then really tapped the brakes forcing me wide to prevent hitting him.. got off the concrete patch in T1, so I had to back way off...he took 5th place by about 100yds. 6th on my 3rd race is fine by me. Turned consistent low 1:23 lap times. One watch got me at a 22.32 lap while another showed 21.8!! I'll take it..that's fast enough to hang with the front runners.... I need to go up a few teeth on the rear sprocket since I was barely getting into 6th at the end of the main straight... maybe I can drop those times a bit more again... Stay tuned..the long version will be put on my web page tonight or tomorrow when I get time... Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 12:26:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26319; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11061 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13302 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA22814; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:27:38 -0400 Message-ID: <35AA3502.380C85B4@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:25:38 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anita Lauro CC: David Wakefield , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Crash Advice Part 2 -Reply References: <35b62599.838069437@relay.mnsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The applicable sections of Virginia Code are 46.2-705, 46.2-706 and 46.2-472. Requirement is for 25K/50K/20K liability. Uninsured motorist fee is $400 but may be prorated for part of a year. Leon. Anita Lauro wrote: > > I think you are correct... except that I think it was only $300 that > you had to pay! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 12:32:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26497; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11431 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13699 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:32:41 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170E4C@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: racing: short version Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:30:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yea, and it only took you about 3~4 minutes after running away from your bike till you re-engaged.. sitting over there chatting it up with the 7 pick-up man and 5 captin.. hrm, bike's fine.. it's a 30 minute race.. you crashed on lap 3... Collin was running around like a headless chicken getting helmet gloves and bike to get back in the race... it was sorta funny to watch with the binoculars (I was attempting to see why the bike was out of commision).. It was a BEAUTIFUL weekend.. nothing at all like the previous WERA weekend.. the weather was mid 80's, low himidity.. it was beautiful.. so were some of the cornerworkers.. erh, wait.. you didn't hear that.. :P -----Original Message----- Saturday I disengaged my brain. Mild lowside in Turn 5 at about 50mph (that's why I lowsided:)) No harm to me or bike (other than some dirt and pride). Got up, engaged brain, re-entered the race and turned some fairly consistent lap times and passed a lot of people back but was still a lap down on them...finished 26 of 32. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 12:35:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26528; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11536 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.rtcdirect.com (known ns.rtcdirect.com [208.138.238.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA13810 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grover.rtcdirect.com ([192.168.16.9] (may be forged)) by ns.rtcdirect.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA07123 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:45:11 -0400 Received: by GROVER with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3MQJC51X>; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:37:05 -0400 Message-ID: <71D739DB74A8D111BB1800805FA9C49526F935@GROVER> From: "Westbrook, Richard" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: One more this past weekend Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:37:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain It seems that this weekend was not a great one for quite a few people on the list, and unfortunately you can add me to the statistics. I was out with Craig, Glenn, Bruce, Tom, Dave and Steve on a great ride on perfect day. It was perfect until rt.56. I had been keeping up with the group very well but still keeping it at a pace where I felt comfortable. As Craig wrote it is fun road with lots of tight turns one of them being a little tighter that I had thought. I came upon a descending left turn which I should have been able to make no problem if I had pushed it through. But instead I saw the turn and chickened out. I hit the brakes hard and the back tire locked up. My bad instincts caused me to straightened up the bike and I headed for the grass. Unfortunately there was about a two foot drainage ditch and as soon as I hit that the bike went low side (I think) and I went for a tumble. I'm not sure what happened but the bike ended up on the right side with the front wheel pointing the opposite direction I was going. I am going to have a pretty good bruise on my hip, but other that I am unhurt. That God for protective gear!! The bike on the other hand did not fare so well. It seems to be all cosmetic (big expensive pieces of plastic) so that it somewhat good. All the plastic on the left side will need to be replaced and the whole tail section was bashed up pretty good. My insurance company loves me. That goodness it was derivable, cause we were out in the middle of nowhere! Thanks again to Craig, Glenn, Bruce, Tom, Dave and Steve because without them I would have been screwed. I always feel secure when riding with people from DC-Cycles because I know if the unthinkable happens I am in good hands with experienced smart riders. I keep you all posted of the progress and should hopefully have it up and running in a few weeks. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 12:48:52 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26957; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12196 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14599 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:49:01 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170E4F@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: One more this past weekend Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:47:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Smart riders, or smart-ass riders? Sorry to hear about the incident Rich.. Maybe it's cause the bike's red.. ever think about repainting? Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work I always feel secure when riding with people from DC-Cycles because I know if the unthinkable happens I am in good hands with experienced smart riders. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 12:54:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA26999; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12333 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA14729 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA00071; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:53:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199807131653.LAA00071@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ip7.washington11.dc.pub-ip.psi.net(38.30.47.7) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma000008; Mon Jul 13 11:52:47 1998 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Bill Schmidt" To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:50:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Leno, jokes and Harleys Reply-to: billsch@XXXXXX Priority: urgent In-reply-to: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F288F@MSCEX> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Try adding the "tml" to the end of the url: http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19980711/V000465-071198 -idx.h > Chris, > Neither of the two Wash. Post links worked for me...could you post > what you entered in their search field to get to those pages? > > I keep getting file not found on the ones you listed > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > > [SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, July 13, 1998 11:45 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Leno, jokes and Harleys > > > > FYI. > > > > http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19980711/V000465-071198-idx.h > > t > > ml > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 13:02:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27205; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12840 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14995 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:02:17 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 8YFZa13456; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <48398af1.35aa3d76@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:01:40 EDT To: kjareaux@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: 95 Honda Shadow 1100 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 A Shadow is definitely a good bike. I would recommend having your mechanic looking at it thoroughly. The visible damage is all minor. For $3,500, it sounds like the owner has dropped the price a fair bit (MCN value is almost $6,500). I would have your mechanic check over the bike very well, including the front suspension. I've never heard of a bike that had a noticeable vibration go away with oil. I'd be a bit suspicious of the extent of damage. I own an 83 Shadow 750, and it does vibrate at certain RPM, but is consistent in every gear. The vibration you speak of sounds damage related. I'd recommend a Shadow (I love Hondas anyway), but this one may not be such a great buy. Good luck! Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 85 Nighthawk 450 (still for sale) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 13:04:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27233; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12921 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15108 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 300; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:04:05 -0400 Message-ID: <35AA3E17.5164FA2F@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:04:23 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: racing: short version References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F2894@MSCEX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: > > The short scoop: >... 6th on my 3rd race is fine by me. > Turned consistent low 1:23 lap times. One watch got me at a 22.32 lap while > another showed 21.8!! I'll take it..that's fast enough to hang with the > front runners.... > Yeah, it was my watch which clocked you at 1:21.8x something. I was over in the grandstands past the carousel (turn 8?) timing you there. But I guess it's the times at the start/finish line that matter, huh? Hanging with the front runners on your third race is certainly impressive! Even on Saturday after you low-sided (which I missed, somehow, even though I should have been able to see it from where I was) after you reentered the race, you had your best times (by my watch, at least) and hung with the 4th place guy, right? Anyway, I had a blast watching you race, it made the day much much more interesting watching people you know out there. I had a good time hanging around in the pits with you guys, too. > I need to go up a few teeth on the rear sprocket since I was barely getting > into 6th at the end of the main straight... maybe I can drop those times a > bit more again... Get that tach hooked up, too, so you have a better idea of how many teeth to add on the back. Do the other racers run right up to redline, or do they back off a bit? Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 13:05:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27267; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13023 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15207 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:05:40 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WMFAa26053 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:02:26 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Leno, jokes and Harleys Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 same here. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 13:24:25 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27484; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13386 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malady.cais.net (known malady.cais.net [199.0.216.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15884 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:24:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (dynamic91.cais.com [207.226.56.91]) by malady.cais.net (8.8.7/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id NAA06111 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980713131329.006a6940@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:13:29 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Mike Subject: Re: A bolt of Pontiac -- MC down In-Reply-To: <070301bdadb8$1a4ec700$4510b1cd@newmicronpc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:10 PM 7/12/98 -0400, you wrote: >Vulcan down. Not, as thought, godlike invincible. Me now >walking (with winces), thank the Lord. Shiny bike probably totalled. Ohhh Man!, Bummer, Hope you heal quickly, Hail the aerostich. Mike B. 1998 ZX900R From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 13:24:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27485; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13385 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malady.cais.net (known malady.cais.net [199.0.216.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA15881 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager (dynamic91.cais.com [207.226.56.91]) by malady.cais.net (8.8.7/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id NAA06099 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980713102853.006a6940@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:28:53 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Mike Subject: Re: A bolt of Pontiac -- MC down In-Reply-To: <070301bdadb8$1a4ec700$4510b1cd@newmicronpc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:10 PM 7/12/98 -0400, you wrote: >Vulcan down. Not, as thought, godlike invincible. Me now >walking (with winces), thank the Lord. Shiny bike probably totalled. Ohhh Man!, Bummer, Hope you heal quickly, Hail the aerostich. Mike B. 1998 ZX900R From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 13:29:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA27583; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13448 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlalaw.com (known mail.dlalaw.com [207.32.65.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16111 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DLADC01-Message_Server by dlalaw.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:31:00 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:30:47 -0400 From: Kelli Jareaux To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 95 Honda Shadow Thanks for all of the comments so far. A few additional details. The guy selling the bike is the relative or boyfriend of a woman I have worked with for about eight years. He is moving to California due to a military transfer and will be aboard ship most of the time. He says this is why he is selling and looking for a quick sale for the payoff amount of the bike only. This could all be a big con but I know and trust the woman I work with and don't think she would risk work relations by advertising a bum bike in our internal classifieds just to help this guy make $3,500. I could be wrong and will definitely have the Garcia give it a through look before I buy. Its good to know that so many people think the shadow is a good bike though. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 14:19:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29353; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15424 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18293 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p16dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.48]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA08784; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:19:19 -0400 Message-ID: <003401bdae8a$c5545480$30f31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: , , Subject: Re: TL paint job color suggestions? Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:19:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Wouldn't _you_ rather pick your own color? You're the one who has to look at it every day. I would be hesitant to choose the color of my bike just because some idjit on a mailing list said it would look good. Sorry to hear about the accident....at least everyone is ok. -----Original Message----- From: To: ; Date: Sunday, July 12, 1998 7:56 PM Subject: TL paint job color suggestions? >I am seriously considering repainting my TL (currently dark green) since those >fairing scratches are rather obvious (and please, save the "character" stuff). >Anybody have any suggestions as to a color? I like black but maybe thats too >common. Actually I was imagining a white TL with the black engine, chrome >headers and stock pipes. Just get dirty too fast tho. Also, I wouldnt paint >it until after the tank is replaced (which, has started to leak a bit....brown >trail on the frame) with the recall one. Any suggestions? I am looking for >solid colors only (unless you have a really kick ass idea). > >Jack -- Tom Gimer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 14:26:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29506; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15818 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18597 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807131826.OAA18597@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A141990150; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:26:09 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:12:03 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: One more this past weekend In-Reply-To: <71D739DB74A8D111BB1800805FA9C49526F935@GROVER> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:37 PM 7/13/98 -0400, Westbrook, Richard wrote: >a >little tighter that I had thought. I came upon a descending left turn which >I should have been able to make no problem if I had pushed it through. But >instead I saw the turn and chickened out. I hit the brakes hard and the back >tire locked up. My bad instincts caused me to straightened up the bike and I >headed for the grass. Unfortunately there was about a two foot drainage >ditch and as soon as I hit that the bike went low side (I think) and I went >for a tumble. I'm not sure what happened but the bike ended up on the right >side with the front wheel pointing the opposite direction I was going. > >I am going to have a pretty good bruise on my hip, but other that I am >unhurt. That God for protective gear!! Sorry to hear, and glad you're okay. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 14:26:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29511; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA15817 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA18595 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807131826.OAA18595@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A13D990150; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:26:08 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:07:55 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Leno, jokes and Harleys In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F288F@MSCEX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The addresses are good, but the line is so long it gets wrapped - on mine I had to add "ml" at the end. The way it's wrapped now, it needs "tml". Chris Norloff ****************************************************** At 11:47 AM 7/13/98 -0400, Fagan, Collin LTJG wrote: >Chris, >Neither of the two Wash. Post links worked for me...could you post what you >entered in their search field to get to those pages? > >I keep getting file not found on the ones you listed > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX >> [SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Monday, July 13, 1998 11:45 AM >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Leno, jokes and Harleys >> >> FYI. >> >> http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19980711/V000465-071198-idx.h >> t >> ml >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 14:42:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29929; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16288 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate.citicorp.com (known egate.citicorp.com [192.193.195.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19074 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:42:11 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate.citicorp.com id OAA23581 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:41:56 -0400 Message-Id: <199807131841.OAA23581@egate.citicorp.com> Received: by egate.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:41:56 -0400 Received: by egate.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:41:56 -0400 Received: by egate.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:41:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:39:07 -0400 Subject: RE: Leno, jokes and Harleys -text To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199807131826.OAA18595@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME here's what the web site said: Leno Defends Harley Rider Joke Saturday, July 11, 1998; 1:56 p.m. EDT MILWAUKEE (AP) -- Jay Leno's onscreen crack about overweight Harley-Davidson riders in Milwaukee earned him some hate mail from beefy bikers who didn't think it was funny. ``I didn't mean anything by it,'' the ``Tonight'' show host and motorcycle buff told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. ``It was a joke.'' On his show June 15, after appearing at Harley-Davidson's 95th anniversary reunion and leading a parade of 50,000 bikers, Leno said he feels fat in Los Angeles, but in Milwaukee with all those bikers, he felt thin. Leno told the same joke on stage in Milwaukee that weekend as master of ceremonies at the reunion and ``people laughed at the joke,'' he said. He was surprised so many people got upset when he repeated the gag on television. ``People are writing me a lot of hate mail,'' Leno said. ``They say, `I hope you die...' (and) `You come out here and pick on Milwaukee.' ``I was really picking on myself,'' Leno said. ``Most of the guys I saw had a few extra pounds and were in their 40s, like me.'' From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 14:48:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA29995; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA16472 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA19264 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (area51.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.165]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA27144 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:50:01 -0400 Message-ID: <35AA5661.32884A7E@illuminet.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:48:01 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TL paint job color suggestions? References: <003401bdae8a$c5545480$30f31bce@richard> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thomas H. Gimer wrote: > some idjit on a mailing list said it would look good. You don't have to take my word for it, I can prove how good it looks. :-) But the decals will cost about $40, and you can't get them from Coleman's. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 15:24:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00808; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17649 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (known f146.hotmail.com [207.82.251.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20522 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 784 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 1998 19:23:15 -0000 Message-ID: <19980713192315.783.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.128.133.43 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:23:15 PDT X-Originating-IP: [192.128.133.43] From: "vfr 800" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Hot Pavement? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:23:15 PDT I stole this idea off of the VFR list. Take an octagonal electrical box fitting and use that to put your side stand down on when you find yourself in grass or on hot pavement. I bought one in the Sterling Home Depot for $.37. It even has a hole to tie a string on to attach to your handle bar! --John '98 VFR GO RIDE!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 15:27:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA00850; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17715 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20642 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm1-06.dial.nova.org (pm1-06.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.134]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA15336 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:27:33 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TL paint job color suggestions? Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:27:35 GMT Message-ID: <35aa5f88.1657379664@mailgate.nova.org> References: <003401bdae8a$c5545480$30f31bce@richard> <35AA5661.32884A7E@illuminet.net> In-Reply-To: <35AA5661.32884A7E@illuminet.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I vote for that greenish color they use on the Dodge Neons... Yeah, go for it! Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 15:32:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01070; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17897 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20865 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 185; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:31:57 -0400 Message-ID: <35AA609E.C2931A84@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:31:42 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, DC Cycles List CC: "Thomas H. Gimer" Subject: Re: TL paint job color suggestions? References: <003401bdae8a$c5545480$30f31bce@richard> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- > From: > To: ; > Date: Sunday, July 12, 1998 7:56 PM > Subject: TL paint job color suggestions? > > >I am seriously considering repainting my TL (currently dark green) And just what is the matter with dark green? Hmm? I personally think the dark green look with plenty of bug splatters is a very cool look! :) Actually, it took me a few weeks and an email mild email flame war to actually convince me that my stolid, sensible looking Concours is actually a two-tone, Dark Green (Luminous Windsor Green, I think) and Charcoal Grey on the underside of the fairing. Oh, those wild, out of control, psychedelic, day-tripping color guys at Kawasaki, they slipped that one right in on an unsuspecting public! Shocking, huh? :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 15:34:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01163; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA17951 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (known f231.hotmail.com [207.82.251.122]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA20978 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29557 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 1998 19:33:40 -0000 Message-ID: <19980713193340.29556.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.119.40.132 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:33:40 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.119.40.132] From: "Don Burger" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Leaking F3 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:33:40 PDT This is the second time I sent this, the first appears to be lost in electronic limbo. I’m looking for some advise on the dealers up around Laurel, Maryland. My 96 F3 (7500 miles) is leaking from the rear of the engine case where it bolts together ( by the upper not the lower split), I want to bring to the dealer to get if fixed under the extended warrantee. My only problem is that I have no clue as to what dealers around Laurel, MD have mechanics worth a damn. I don’t want to take it someplace and end up with more problems than when I started. If anyone could offer me any advise on a shop I would be grateful. Thanks Don B 96 - F3 "Leaky" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 15:41:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01280; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:41:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18414 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21281 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 148; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:41:06 -0400 Message-ID: <35AA62D8.33FA76DA@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:41:12 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TL paint job color suggestions? References: <003401bdae8a$c5545480$30f31bce@richard> <35AA5661.32884A7E@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Begeman wrote: > > You don't have to take my word for it, I can prove how good it looks. > :-) But the decals will cost about $40, and you can't get them from > Coleman's. > Heh, heh, the John Deere V-Twin SuperBike! That would certainly turn more heads than any other paint job on the planet. Guaranteed. Then even the Harley guys will come over and talk about your bike. :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 15:48:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01464; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18701 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21501 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:47:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.84] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA00330; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:48:11 -0400 Message-ID: <004b01bdae96$d1f406c0$5473c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" , "Westbrook, Richard" Subject: Re: One more this past weekend Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:45:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >It seems that this weekend was not a great one for quite a few people on the >list, and unfortunately you can add me to the statistics. > >snip > >I am going to have a pretty good bruise on my hip, but other that I am >unhurt. That God for protective gear!! Rich, I'm -very- glad you are unhurt and that you made it home safe! > >The bike on the other hand did not fare so well. It seems to be all cosmetic >(big expensive pieces of plastic) I know it's expensive, but all things mechanical can be replaced. They build new ones every day! >Thanks again to Craig, Glenn, Bruce, Tom, Dave and Steve because without >them I would have been screwed. The Roadside Pit-Crew! >I always feel secure when riding with people >from DC-Cycles because I know if the unthinkable happens I am in good hands >with experienced smart riders. Rich, I feel the same way and I consider you one of those experienced smart riders. > >I keep you all posted of the progress and should hopefully have it up and >running in a few weeks. Good luck & let me know if you need any help. Bruce From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 15:57:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA01750; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18884 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA21868 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:58:08 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170E59@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Hot Pavement? Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:56:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" And to think all this time I just used a crushed soda can (if I lose it, easily replaced) - fits nicely in my front 'Stich pocket to boot.. not like I care if I loose it.. :P Works good too.. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work -----Original Message----- From: vfr 800 Sent: Monday, July 13, 1998 3:23 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Hot Pavement? I stole this idea off of the VFR list. Take an octagonal electrical box fitting and use that to put your side stand down on when you find yourself in grass or on hot pavement. I bought one in the Sterling Home Depot for $.37. It even has a hole to tie a string on to attach to your handle bar! --John '98 VFR GO RIDE!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 16:00:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA01797; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA19057 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from davinci.hscribe.com (known [208.138.226.163] [208.138.226.163]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21947 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mpetty.hscribe.com (URANIUM.hscribe.com [208.138.226.126]) by davinci.hscribe.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-29260U500) with SMTP id AAA211 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:54:34 -0400 X-Sender: mpetty@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: mpetty@XXXXXX (Mark Petty) Subject: shipping costs/looking for a bike Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:54:34 -0400 Message-ID: <19980713195434351.AAA211@mpetty.hscribe.com> Okay, now that I've accomplished both the pre-requisite three weeks lurking _and_ the motorcycle safety course, I now feel it is now the appropriate time to post. Two things: I'm looking for a good condition cruiser in the $2,500 range. I'm a big guy, so something in the 750cc to 1100cc range is prefered, and will give me something to grow into. Anybody know of one for sale? Second, a friend of a friend is selling an 84 Manga V45 in Michigan for $1400 (with saddle bads and stuff). Anybody have a clue on shipping costs and time involved to get it from there to here? Good or bad experiences? Thanx, Mark (license still hot in the laminate) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 16:27:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02474; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:27:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20042 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.worldbank.org (known smtp02.worldbank.org [138.220.3.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA22866 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:27:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Pcoleman@XXXXXX Received: from WBLN0014.worldbank.org ([138.220.29.7]) by worldbank.org (PMDF V5.1-8 #16195) with SMTP id <01IZCVIECD6S8ZDWKO@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:48:22 EDT Received: by WBLN0014.worldbank.org(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256640.006D0EE0 ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:51:12 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:51:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Leaking F3 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256640.006CE663.00@WBLN0014.worldbank.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: WORLDBANK -Don Burger - Don, Do you have a reason to not take it to Heyser Cycle on Rt 1? It's in Laurel, right across from the Silver Diner, or pretty near, anyway. They've been there a long time. I haven't had much to do with them for a few years, but never had any problems when I did have them do work on my bikes. Regards, Perry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 16:33:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02535; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20215 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:33:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.15]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA23022 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA18908; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:32:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv1-21.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.53) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma018859; Mon Jul 13 15:31:53 1998 Message-ID: <35AA995B.55B2@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:33:47 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Motorcyclist found dead Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had probs getting that URL to work also, so here is a brief synopsis. Ky. men in all-terrain vehicles found dead Police said Monday they had a identified a suspect in the shooting deaths of three men who had been riding all-terrain vehicles in a mountainous, heavily wooded area in eastern Kentucky. "We are looking at a suspect in this case.... We're right in the heat of the investigation," Sgt. Lon Fields of the Kentucky State Police said, without disclosing the circumstances of the deaths or a possible motive. Autopsy results were awaited on the bodies of 19-year-old Randy Stevens and cousins Douglas and Scotty Middleton, aged 21 and 27 respectively. The victims were from Olive Hill. They were found Sunday by other riders near the entrance to Tarkiln Cave, an isolated spot in this rugged region crisscrossed by trails and creeks. Their four-wheel all-terrain vehicles were parked nearby. (Reuters) -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 16:39:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA02593; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu (known ringding.cs.umd.edu [128.8.126.2]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA20282 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA25756 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:38:56 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA01034; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807132040.QAA01034@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: shipping costs/looking for a bike To: mpetty@XXXXXX (Mark Petty) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980713195434351.AAA211@mpetty.hscribe.com> from "Mark Petty" at Jul 13, 98 03:54:34 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > Okay, now that I've accomplished both the pre-requisite three weeks lurking > _and_ the motorcycle safety course, I now feel it is now the appropriate > time to post. > > Two things: > > I'm looking for a good condition cruiser in the $2,500 range. I'm a big guy, > so something in the 750cc to 1100cc range is prefered, and will give me > something to grow into. Anybody know of one for sale? > > Second, a friend of a friend is selling an 84 Manga V45 in Michigan for > $1400 (with saddle bads and stuff). Anybody have a clue on shipping costs > and time involved to get it from there to here? Good or bad experiences? My neighbour sold one liek that for 1500 few weeks ago. M45 // 84 - I had one, for 2 years. Great bike. Comfy, good engine, wonderful for longer rides. There is active V45 community, with lotsa of info. Search for V45 with Yahoo. Or Aki will tell you where to look for it ( he has V65). Why shipping ? Fly & ride back - 2-3 days ride. For AMA memeber, one of shipping companies has decent rates, - look into back of any moto rags (Cycle worlds certainly has this ad ). > > Thanx, > Mark (license still hot in the laminate) > Welcome !! _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 17:02:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03124; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20699 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mac_dell.hst.nasa.gov (known dhcp100_96.hst.nasa.gov [198.118.96.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA24615 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 198.118.96.1 by mac_dell.hst.nasa.gov (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT) Received: from dn7ty ([198.27.17.92]) by lmmail.hst.nasa.gov (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 238 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:58:15 -0400 Message-ID: <049a01bdaea1$8e1a2e10$5c111bc6@dn7ty.hst.lmms.lmco.com> From: "Rottier.Amy" To: "DC Cycles List" Subject: ERC Sunday? Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:02:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Was anybody here at the Experienced Rider Course on Sunday at NOVA? I was supposed to go, but never got my adoublesquiggle in gear. But, I happened to be riding by with my husband Mark and friend Ven (on my way to see my friend's new house), and stopped to stare. Since none of us recognized anybody, we just pulled away. But if any of you were there and saw three weirdoes staring at you (yellow Seca, maroon Gold Wing, white PC800), it was us'ns. I am, however, signed up for the course in September at PGCC. Later, Amy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Amy Elizabeth Rottier Donovan aka Platypus =) Lockheed Martin Technical Operations Rottier.Amy@XXXXXX ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 17:10:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03343; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20831 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:10:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate.citicorp.com (known egate.citicorp.com [192.193.195.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25018 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:10:08 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate.citicorp.com id RAA14556 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:08:26 -0400 Message-Id: <199807132108.RAA14556@egate.citicorp.com> Received: by egate.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:08:26 -0400 Received: by egate.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:08:26 -0400 Received: by egate.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:08:26 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:05:59 -0400 Subject: Re: Another Deal's Gap message... To: mayotte@XXXXXX Cc: bmwmc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, ghowell@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <01bdae44$97184040$4d4b36d1@default> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ...it was a troll...it was also posted in the SABMAG list and some locals in that area went to check it out...all of it was complete BS... -aki > > > >I went to Deal's Gap yesterday for a long anticipated ride. I was > >extremely disappointed to find myself face-to-face with a U.S. park ranger. > > He informed me that, effective this past Tuesday, July 7th, all > >motorcycles riding Deal's Gap must have a permit from the U.S. Park > >Service. > > How do you spell discrimination ? > > Mark Ayotte > > > > > X-Priority: 3 > X-Msmail-Priority: Normal > X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 17:24:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03571; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21125 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate.citicorp.com (known egate.citicorp.com [192.193.195.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25687 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:24:03 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate.citicorp.com id RAA17075 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:21:49 -0400 Message-Id: <199807132121.RAA17075@egate.citicorp.com> Received: by egate.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:21:49 -0400 Received: by egate.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:21:49 -0400 Received: by egate.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:21:49 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:19:24 -0400 Subject: Re: shipping costs/looking for a bike To: zbig@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mpetty@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199807132040.QAA01034@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME the V45 is a great bike, nuff HP to get you where you're going but at the same time tame enough not to scare the bejeezus out of you...DO NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES buy a V65 until you've had some real time experience under the belt..that much hp, as with alot of the bigger liter bikes, will chew you up and spit you out alot faster than you care to imagine...there's a reason most people suggest you start with a smaller cc bike... ;-) cheers, -aki > > > > > Okay, now that I've accomplished both the pre-requisite three weeks lurking > > _and_ the motorcycle safety course, I now feel it is now the appropriate > > time to post. > > > > Two things: > > > > I'm looking for a good condition cruiser in the $2,500 range. I'm a big guy, > > so something in the 750cc to 1100cc range is prefered, and will give me > > something to grow into. Anybody know of one for sale? > > > > Second, a friend of a friend is selling an 84 Manga V45 in Michigan for > > $1400 (with saddle bads and stuff). Anybody have a clue on shipping costs > > and time involved to get it from there to here? Good or bad experiences? > > My neighbour sold one liek that for 1500 few weeks ago. > > M45 // 84 - I had one, for 2 years. Great bike. Comfy, good engine, > wonderful for longer rides. > > There is active V45 community, with lotsa of info. Search for V45 with > Yahoo. Or Aki will tell you where to look for it ( he has V65). > > Why shipping ? Fly & ride back - 2-3 days ride. > > For AMA memeber, one of shipping companies has decent rates, - look > into back of any moto rags (Cycle worlds certainly has this ad ). > > > > > Thanx, > > Mark (license still hot in the laminate) > > > > Welcome !! > > _zjt > > X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 > X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. > Content-Type: text > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 17:25:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03602; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21166 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (known iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA25774 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bellatlantic.net (client196-111-152.bellatlantic.net [151.196.111.152]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with ESMTP id RAA26318; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35AA7762.5711F207@bellatlantic.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:08:50 -0400 From: Andrew Lewis Reply-To: pellaz@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kelli Jareaux CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 95 Honda Shadow 1100 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It sounds like about 400 in cosmetic repairs (and the lion's share of that goes to new pipes...the handlebar cap is about 10 and peg about 25). It also sounds like a great deal. I have a 94 Shadow 600 that I love. Shadows handle great, and Honda's are dinosaurs. They are also (and this goes even more for the 1100 than the 600) extremely customizable. Corbin makes a number of seats, they are a variety of pipes available, air filter covers, Handlebars, yadda yadda yadda. Andrew Lewis 94 Shadow 600 Kelli Jareaux wrote: > I have an opportunity to buy a 95 Honda Shadow with 4400 miles > on it for $3,500. I have seen and ridden the bike. It appears to > be in good condition with the exception of some slight damage > done to it when it was dropped (a couple of scratches on the tail > pipe, a dent in the metal foot support, and the cap on the > handlebars is broken). > > As I rode it I noticed a vibration at about 55 mph, which the > owner claims is due to his need to service the lube point (I have > no idea what this is). The owner is willing to have me take it to > my mechanic (Garcia, I hope you are reading this) so that will be > an opportunity for me to determine if it has major repair issues. > It is belt driven. > > I am looking for advice on whether this is a good deal and > whether the shadow is a good bike. I have been riding for close > to ten years but have never owned a bike that cost me more > than $1,500 and never owned anything but Yamahas (which I > have been very satisfied with). > > I currently ride a 650 and want the additional power for the > highway. My bike is a 1982 and a Jewel that I will hate to get rid > of. This Shadow is two tone red and black, rather than the basic > black of my bike which I prefer. I want the Shadow, if it is a > great deal because it will be paid off. If it is not such a great > deal or not such a great bike, I will take my time and consider > financing a new Virago or maybe even a Harley. > > I am looking for a cruiser that is quiet, smooth and fast. I know > Harleys can be loud but I like the way the handlebars can be > customized and the readily available accessories. > > Any advice is appreciated. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 17:41:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA03748; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA21373 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA26256 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm2-27.dial.nova.org (pm2-27.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.251]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA17933; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 17:40:54 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, turk@XXXXXX, jstanford@XXXXXX, bob.rapp@XXXXXX Subject: Weekend trip Aug 8-10 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:40:59 GMT Message-ID: <35b27e71.1665293189@mailgate.nova.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =46irst, the current list of potential participants is: Mike B Steve Beck Donald Burger Glenn Dysart Tom Gimer Craig Johnston Anita Lauro Chris Meier Bruce Norton Kirk Roy Sean Sullivan Robert VanSlyke Ursulina Viteri At the end of this message are a couple estimations for the to/from routes for the trip. There will be a significant amount of flexibility possible. Some may choose to scoot down or home on the interstates (I made it home from Princeton in 5.5 hours in a torrential rain - that includes stops), others may choose to cut some part short using the interstates, and most of us will surely choose the back roads. Note that the time estimates do not include stops. Kirk To Princeton from I-66 rest stop (highlights - US211, US250, US219): West I-66 for 21 miles South VA647 for 16.7 miles Left VA522 for 3.1 miles Right US211 for 37.9 miles South I-81 for 40 miles West VA275 for 5.3 miles Right (west) US250 for 63.3 miles Left WV28 for 31.5 miles Left WV39 for 6.5 miles Left US219 for 87.1 miles Right US460 for 15.4 miles Right service road just past I-77 for .2 miles Right Oakvale Rd for .1 miles Left Ramada Inn, Princeton, WV Approximately 7 hours riding time and 325 miles Here's a possible ride home (highlights - US19, US60, US33): Right Oakvale Rd for .1 miles Left service road for .2 miles Right US460 for 4.6 miles Right US19 for 71.3 miles Right US60 for 51.9 miles Right WV39 for 5.6 miles Left WV28 for 54 miles Right US33 for 55.1 miles North I-81 for 53 miles East I-66 for 48 miles Stop at I-66 rest stop Approximately 8.5 hours riding time and 344 miles From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 18:57:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA04788; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA22161 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (known imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA28260 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:57:08 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WBCYa19317 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:44:11 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: TL paint job color suggestions? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-07-13 14:19:24 EDT, you write: << Wouldn't _you_ rather pick your own color? You're the one who has to look at it every day. I would be hesitant to choose the color of my bike just because some idjit on a mailing list said it would look good. I was just getting ideas for a color.......and I got them. Im thinking of either black or blood red or maybe bright yellow. Sorry to hear about the accident....at least everyone is ok. >> Thanks. Im not liking how this is turning out so far tho. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 19:14:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA05062; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA22344 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo30.mx.aol.com (known imo30.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.74]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA28829 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:13:57 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WIRNa26166 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3b982495.35aa9318@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:07:03 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: POCONO RACES ----- AUG. 28-30th Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 I plan on taking off of work the 29th and 30th to go to pocono raceway for the races that weekend. there are supposed to be alot of things going on: demonstrations, exhibits, riding schools, etc. On sunday at noon there is a parade lap around the course for anyone with a valid mc license and registered bike. The schools are free for anyone who buys a new Suzuki TL or GSXR (ooooh, lucky me!). Im not sure of what they are otherwise. There is camping accomodations at the raceway, but I think Im gonna shack it up at a hotel. I left the flier for it at work, but I will have ticket prices as of tomorrow. So far, its me and (most likely) Jay (jaynik@XXXXXX). We would love to have more people go. Maybe get some group discounts going on. If someone wants to go, please email me so I can get an idea of the number we are talking about and try to find a hotel for everyone. More details to come. Sean G. Petr 98 "Killer TLR" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 19:25:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA05503; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA22847 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlalaw.com (known mail.dlalaw.com [207.32.65.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA29814 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DLADC01-Message_Server by dlalaw.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:27:01 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:27:07 -0400 From: Kelli Jareaux To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: I will buy the 1995 1100 Shadow for $3,000, provided my mechanic okays it. Thanks to everyone for your help. Based on your responses, I sought another $500 off the price tag and the right to cancel the transaction if my mechanic does not five the bike the green light. The seller agreed. Wish me luck. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 20:36:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA06687; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA23453 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA02632 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.54] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA00207; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:35:44 -0400 Message-ID: <35AA60CB.70658957@anent.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:32:27 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: shipping costs/looking for a bike References: <199807132040.QAA01034@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit zbig@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > Okay, now that I've accomplished both the pre-requisite three weeks lurking > > _and_ the motorcycle safety course, I now feel it is now the appropriate > > time to post. Welcome 'Back' zzZZZ , I have to admit that I have missed you and your witty coments..... ;~) It's been to long without the BIG-Z livening up my monitor screen..ehehehehehehehhehe Hope that the sling is just getting simpathy and not really needed any more... The thought of you home on a Saturday , while the rest of the "West Side Gang" is out riding has been distracting for me to say the least.. Awaiting your return(when your totally healed & ready). Craig Blue TL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 20:40:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA06754; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA23507 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA02706 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:40:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.54] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA00223 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:40:44 -0400 Message-ID: <35AA61F6.1661E20A@anent.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:37:26 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 8-10 References: <35b27e71.1665293189@mailgate.nova.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds really twisty already...I LIKE THAT... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 21:00:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07164; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA23683 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03532 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:00:13 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA01258; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807140102.VAA01258@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: shipping costs/looking for a bike To: peggrinder@XXXXXX (Craig) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Cc: zbig@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <35AA60CB.70658957@anent.com> from "Craig" at Jul 13, 98 08:32:27 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > zbig@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > > Okay, now that I've accomplished both the pre-requisite three weeks lurking > > > _and_ the motorcycle safety course, I now feel it is now the appropriate > > > time to post. > > Welcome 'Back' zzZZZ , I have to admit that I have missed you and your witty > coments..... ;~) > Oh my... I am flattered. Well, my wife for last 12 years tells me that I speak before thinking... you are much more polite, sir. > It's been to long without the BIG-Z livening up my monitor > screen..ehehehehehehehhehe > > Hope that the sling is just getting simpathy and not really needed any more... > I am trying to work up my arm, but in a reasonable manner. Some table tennins, waxing the car, moving the lawn... > The thought of you home on a Saturday , while the rest of the "West Side Gang" is > out riding has been distracting for me to say the least.. > well, I will miss next weekend - I have to drive a friend to Cleveland; but next one - if you need a nice chase car, with cooler full of soda, sandwitches, icecream, stuff to tighten and lube chains, wash screens - I am game ! ( unless you want to ride on Friday, and I will chase you and service..) > Awaiting your return(when your totally healed & ready). I can always drive my other bike.... olvov. BTW, what happend to idea of getting a tire replacemetn stuff ? I was thinking about following lines: 1) we put together a list of who is interested ( there were a dozen of folks declaring $$ ); each will chip even amount, splitting the tool costs; whoever chips in location does not chip in money. 2) whoever was founding father, uses it for free; 3) other use it and pay somethign nominal, like $5 or whatever; 4) this money goes for next tools like balancer, etc. 5) if someone does not know how to use it, we can do clinics once a month on friday, with keg party... 6) what I do not want it to develop into is using club staff for side jobs. 7) I think we are ready to start setting DC-cycles as club, and look later for perks like discounty at parts places... ( I belong to volvo club - and that is how it is done... ) > Craig > Blue TL > comments ? _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 21:20:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07312; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA23896 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03852 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:26:38 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dc-cycles as a club? Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:26:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain On Monday, July 13, 1998 9:02 PM, zbig@XXXXXX [SMTP:zbig@XXXXXX] wrote: > 7) I think we are ready to start setting DC-cycles as club, and look > later for perks like discounty at parts places... Great idea!! Whatever happened to our logo? I'd love to be able to wear a dc-cycles t-shirt on the group rides (under Canyon Jacket but clearly visible at rest stops!). Anita '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 21:22:48 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07319; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA23911 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlt9.dlt.com (known [199.4.241.16] [199.4.241.16]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA03887 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by DLT9 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:28:34 -0400 Message-ID: From: Anita Lauro To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" , Craig Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: chase vehicles Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:28:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain On Monday, July 13, 1998 9:02 PM, zbig@XXXXXX [SMTP:zbig@XXXXXX] wrote: > well, I will miss next weekend - I have to drive a friend to > Cleveland; but next one - if you need a nice chase car, with cooler > full of soda, sandwitches, icecream, stuff to tighten and lube chains, > wash screens - I am game ! Ice cream? Cold sodas? Wow! Any chance we can get you to come along on the WV trip? :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 21:31:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07370; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA23981 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meretrix.com (known dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA04008 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kiri.meretrix.com (kiri.meretrix.com [209.116.254.18]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA07929 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kiri.meretrix.com (localhost.meretrix.com [127.0.0.1]) by kiri.meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA01439 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807140131.VAA01439@kiri.meretrix.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles as a club? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:26:38 EDT." Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:31:19 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos >Whatever happened to our logo? I'd love to be able to wear a dc-cycles >t-shirt on the group rides (under Canyon Jacket but clearly visible at >rest stops!). We've had one proposal: http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html -harry ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Human: Harry Mantakos USPS: 547 E. Gittings St. Baltimore, MD 21230 Email: harry@XXXXXX Evil Twins: harry@XXXXXX, harry@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 21:41:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07419; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA24055 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (known imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA04098 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:41:10 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WJSJa12330; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:35:56 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <82eee43d.35aab5fe@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:35:56 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: NEED IGNITION KILL Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 I need an ignition kill switch by this friday, thursday if possible to be eligible for races. I called pingel, but they only do credit card orders and I have none. does anyone have a used one laying around they dont want? or know of a local place to get one? I dont have any room to mount one on my handle bars, so I dont need a real nice one. I was just going to get a plastic one from pingel, so anything race legal will do. Thanks in advance. Sean G. Petr 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 21:58:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA07503; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA24131 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id VAA04310 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA26565; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35AAE609.623B@mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:00:57 -0700 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: Kirk Roy Subject: Re: No plans for the weekend.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirk Roy wrote: > I might be able to get out on Saturday. I'd like to do a ride on my > brother's Radian so I'll be a fair bit slower than usual (due to the > bouncy bouncy suspension). I'll let you know. > > double yellow mofo gang > What is this? > Kirk Hey Kirk, Umm, I think I may be able to shed some light on this curious appellation. Actually Zbig had once explained the orgins of the (original) term to me, which I have, of course, lost... Anyway, I think it was "West Side Double Yellow" in reference to the type of ride the West side boys would do; to wit, pass on double yellows when necessary (and safe). I simply made it into sort of a noun-based phrase and threw in 'mofo' just for fun ;^P Yours in idiomatic creation, JK From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 22:03:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA07569; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24214 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04382 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr40-dialup19.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0EW20012SB0D5Y@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:02:39 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:00:53 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: POCONO RACES ----- AUG. 28-30th To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <019601bdaee4$62296b20$d34c37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Sean, You can count me in! I went last year and it was a blast!! ================================== Jon Schumer dawn.jon@XXXXXX ICQ#11193913 ================================== -----Original Message----- From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 4:25 PM Subject: POCONO RACES ----- AUG. 28-30th >I plan on taking off of work the 29th and 30th to go to pocono raceway for the >races that weekend. there are supposed to be alot of things going on: >demonstrations, exhibits, riding schools, etc. On sunday at noon there is a >parade lap around the course for anyone with a valid mc license and registered >bike. The schools are free for anyone who buys a new Suzuki TL or GSXR >(ooooh, lucky me!). Im not sure of what they are otherwise. There is camping >accomodations at the raceway, but I think Im gonna shack it up at a hotel. I >left the flier for it at work, but I will have ticket prices as of tomorrow. >So far, its me and (most likely) Jay (jaynik@XXXXXX). We would love to >have more people go. Maybe get some group discounts going on. If someone >wants to go, please email me so I can get an idea of the number we are talking >about and try to find a hotel for everyone. > >More details to come. > >Sean G. Petr >98 "Killer TLR" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 22:24:19 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA07733; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24351 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04681 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.80] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA00647; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:24:25 -0400 Message-ID: <005d01bdaece$2eeb23e0$5073c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" , "Kirk Roy" Subject: Re: Weekend trip Aug 8-10 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:18:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >First, the current list of potential participants is: snip >Bruce Norton I'm still good to go! Routes sound good to me! What about the 9th? I'm looking at my map to get familiar w/ the area. Kirk, you are the man for putting this together! Kudos for your efforts! I'm really starting to get psyched up for this. I've been on one other overnight ride, but it was only two days. I'm looking forward to three. Any recommendations for essentials to pack? (tank bag & tail pack) Thanks again! Bruce From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 22:24:26 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA07739; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24357 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm02sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm02sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04688 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr40-dialup19.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) with SMTP id <0EW200A48BZH8V@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:23:43 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:21:57 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: dc club/tire changer To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" , DC Cycle Club Message-id: <01fe01bdaee7$533c96c0$d34c37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 >> zbig@XXXXXX wrote: >BTW, what happend to idea of getting a tire replacemetn stuff ? > >I was thinking about following lines: > >1) we put together a list of who is interested ( there were a dozen of >folks declaring $$ ); each will chip even amount, splitting the tool >costs; whoever chips in location does not chip in money. > >2) whoever was founding father, uses it for free; > >3) other use it and pay somethign nominal, like $5 or whatever; > >4) this money goes for next tools like balancer, etc. > >5) if someone does not know how to use it, we can do clinics once a >month on friday, with keg party... > >6) what I do not want it to develop into is using club staff for side >jobs. > > >7) I think we are ready to start setting DC-cycles as club, and look >later for perks like discounty at parts places... > > >( I belong to volvo club - and that is how it is done... ) Zbig, good ideas. I like it. I'm in for whatever $$ it takes to get one. Has anyone found a used one yet? I'm a car mechanic and will talk to the tool guys(snap-on, mac, etc.) and see if they can find a cheap used one. I would offer the use of one at work, but don't know how well it would work for bike rims. I'll have to try it on mine first, before I scratch someone else's rims. ================================== Jon Schumer dawn.jon@XXXXXX ICQ#11193913 ================================== From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 22:38:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA07905; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24534 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA04962 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.86] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA00691 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:39:00 -0400 Message-ID: <35AA7DAE.ADC3C281@anent.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:35:42 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: chase vehicles References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That would be too nice...just think Z-big serving hot dogs and sodas from the back of the OVLOV, what a sight .....hey I bet we could sell tickets.....yea thats it I got money for the first pack of dogs and rolls...heheeheeeeheeeee Anita Lauro wrote: > On Monday, July 13, 1998 9:02 PM, zbig@XXXXXX [SMTP:zbig@XXXXXX] > wrote: > > > well, I will miss next weekend - I have to drive a friend to > > Cleveland; but next one - if you need a nice chase car, with cooler > > full of soda, sandwitches, icecream, stuff to tighten and lube chains, > > wash screens - I am game ! > > Ice cream? Cold sodas? Wow! Any chance we can get you to come along > on the WV trip? :-) > > Anita > '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 22:42:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08013; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24595 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05051 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.86] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA00704 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:43:02 -0400 Message-ID: <35AA7E9F.8FCA5703@anent.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:39:43 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles as a club? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That idea seems to have faded....What about it all you Graphic Design people????? Lets get some serious ideas going and promote ourselves.......There are enough of us that it would cut the cost way down if we bonded together as a CLUB and not just as a bunch of individual computer/biker intellects. ;~) Anita Lauro wrote: > On Monday, July 13, 1998 9:02 PM, zbig@XXXXXX [SMTP:zbig@XXXXXX] > wrote: > > > 7) I think we are ready to start setting DC-cycles as club, and look > > later for perks like discounty at parts places... > > Great idea!! > > Whatever happened to our logo? I'd love to be able to wear a dc-cycles > t-shirt on the group rides (under Canyon Jacket but clearly visible at > rest stops!). > > Anita > '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 22:44:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08031; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24615 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05090 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.86] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA00711 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:44:46 -0400 Message-ID: <35AA7F08.8E7D9F9A@anent.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:41:28 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles as a club? References: <199807140131.VAA01439@kiri.meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it's too Dark needs to be really bright and flashy...catch the eye and be highly visable Harry Mantakos wrote: > >Whatever happened to our logo? I'd love to be able to wear a dc-cycles > >t-shirt on the group rides (under Canyon Jacket but clearly visible at > >rest stops!). > > We've had one proposal: > http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html > -harry > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Human: Harry Mantakos USPS: 547 E. Gittings St. Baltimore, MD 21230 > Email: harry@XXXXXX Evil Twins: harry@XXXXXX, harry@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 22:45:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08037; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24626 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm03sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm03sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.152]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05100 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr40-dialup19.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM03SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27035) with SMTP id <0EW2001SJCY7M3@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:44:35 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:42:46 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Leaking F3 To: Don Burger , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <021c01bdaeea$3d1357a0$d34c37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 I haven't heard of any bad experiences from Heyser Cycle. They've been around a long time and should be right around the corner from you. I don't have any personal experience with their service dept., I do my own work, but I get parts from them all the time. Granted, it's not the best place around, but it's not Coleman! You could also try Cycle World in Brooklyn Park(above Glen Burnie). I wouldn't recommend Cycles USA(Wheaton), because their turn around time is awful. They literally take forever to do anything. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Don Burger To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 12:52 PM Subject: Leaking F3 This is the second time I sent this, the first appears to be lost in electronic limbo. I’m looking for some advise on the dealers up around Laurel, Maryland. My 96 F3 (7500 miles) is leaking from the rear of the engine case where it bolts together ( by the upper not the lower split), I want to bring to the dealer to get if fixed under the extended warrantee. My only problem is that I have no clue as to what dealers around Laurel, MD have mechanics worth a damn. I don’t want to take it someplace and end up with more problems than when I started. If anyone could offer me any advise on a shop I would be grateful. Thanks Don B 96 - F3 "Leaky" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 22:52:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08098; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24799 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05324 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anent.com ([208.195.115.86] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA00747 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:52:46 -0400 Message-ID: <35AA80E8.9A22FAF2@anent.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:49:28 +0100 From: Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: dc club/tire changer References: <01fe01bdaee7$533c96c0$d34c37a6@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My brother is the Snap-on tool dealer for Fairfax , I can talk to him and see if he can come up with one....I to have worked on, and around cars for the past 15 years and i currently use the tire machine at Leesburg Honda (Cars) to do my tires and it works great. The kind of machine that clamps the rim from the outer edge , not on the inside Painted surface... Craig Jon S. wrote: > >> zbig@XXXXXX wrote: > > >BTW, what happend to idea of getting a tire replacemetn stuff ? > > > >I was thinking about following lines: > > > >1) we put together a list of who is interested ( there were a dozen of > >folks declaring $$ ); each will chip even amount, splitting the tool > >costs; whoever chips in location does not chip in money. > > > >2) whoever was founding father, uses it for free; > > > >3) other use it and pay somethign nominal, like $5 or whatever; > > > >4) this money goes for next tools like balancer, etc. > > > >5) if someone does not know how to use it, we can do clinics once a > >month on friday, with keg party... > > > >6) what I do not want it to develop into is using club staff for side > >jobs. > > > > > >7) I think we are ready to start setting DC-cycles as club, and look > >later for perks like discounty at parts places... > > > > > >( I belong to volvo club - and that is how it is done... ) > > Zbig, good ideas. I like it. I'm in for whatever $$ it takes to get > one. Has anyone found a used one yet? I'm a car mechanic and will talk to > the tool guys(snap-on, mac, etc.) and see if they can find a cheap used one. > I would offer the use of one at work, but don't know how well it would work > for bike rims. I'll have to try it on mine first, before I scratch someone > else's rims. > > ================================== > Jon Schumer > dawn.jon@XXXXXX > ICQ#11193913 > ================================== From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 22:54:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08113; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24820 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:54:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05358 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-99-20.s20.tnt13.ann.erols.com [207.172.99.20]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA21770; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:54:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35AAC827.EAF066DA@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:53:27 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: POCONO RACES ----- AUG. 28-30th References: <3b982495.35aa9318@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sean, The school is taught by team Emgo/Valvoline Suzuki, aka Team Hammer. >From what I hear, it's one of the better street schools out there. I wish the dealer I got my 93 from would have mentioned that you get to go for free, but oh well..that was a long time ago... Have fun up there... CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: The schools are free for anyone who buys a new Suzuki TL or GSXR > (ooooh, lucky me!). Im not sure of what they are otherwise. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 22:58:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA08162; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA24883 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05422 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id WAA02736; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:55:37 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:55:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: suzuki-l@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycle Subject: mechanical q: starter clutch assembly slipping on crankshaft Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi... I mostly ride a (modified) 1978 GS-750. Sometimes the electric starter spins without turning the motor. (Fortunately, there's a kick starter.) The reason this happens seems to be that the starter clutch assembly is slipping on the crankshaft--it's a tapered shaft without splines or key to hold the starter clutch (and alternator rotor) from slipping. Instead, it's a press-fit, held in place by a none-too-robust bolt and split washer, which I don't want to tighten further, for fear of breaking. In other words, the starter motor turns the starter clutch assembly properly, but the (high compression) engine doesn't move. So: anyone got a crafty idea about how to keep this starter clutch assembly attached to the crankshaft? Thanks. --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 23:06:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08270; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25027 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05638 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-99-20.s20.tnt13.ann.erols.com [207.172.99.20]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA25902; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35AACAFA.BA96D8A0@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:05:30 -0400 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, DC Cycles , Balt-cycles Subject: Re: NEED IGNITION KILL References: <82eee43d.35aab5fe@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sean, Where are you racing at? I'm assuming you're talking drag racing. Last time I went out to MIR, anything under 11 secs needed a dead man's switch...which that killer TL fits into easily. Although, I noticed they weren't too picky about it. There were a pair of gixers running mid 10's without the kill switch... One option is to take a very small tap screw and screw it into the kill switch on the right bar. Then tie a light cord to it with a weak link (so it doesn't keep you attached in case of a spill). They'll accept that, and the resulting mark from the screw is very very small... While you're out there, could you kinda ask around if any of the drag race regulars is in need of a race tire (180/55 17) Dunlop D207 race comp. Very sticky and plenty of meat where a drag racer needs it...not so much meat for cornering though :) It'll fitjust about anything running a 5.5-6" rim. I used it on my racebike (GSXR). it'll fit TL's but might shrink the contact patch a bit...but then again, you can't get race compound dunlop's in 190 (or so I'm told...I've never seen one, though I hear they may be available in Europe..those bastages...) anyhow...let me know if you find someone interested..I'll entertain any reasonable offer... Collin CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > > I need an ignition kill switch by this friday, thursday if possible to be > eligible for races. I called pingel, but they only do credit card orders and > I have none. does anyone have a used one laying around they dont want? or know > of a local place to get one? I dont have any room to mount one on my handle > bars, so I dont need a real nice one. I was just going to get a plastic one > from pingel, so anything race legal will do. Thanks in advance. > > Sean G. Petr > 98 TLR -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 23:08:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08286; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25079 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05654 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (207-172-151-216.s25.as1.abr.erols.com [207.172.151.216]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA26394 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <033f01bdaed4$473fb860$d897accf@default> Reply-To: "Mr. Bill" From: "Mr. Bill" To: "DC Motorcyclists" Subject: Ride to Work Day Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:54:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Hey everybody! July 15th is the date of the 7th annual RIDE TO WORK DAY. Please ride your bike to work to demonstrate the number of motorcyclists to politicians and the general public, that motorcycles are for transportation as well as recreation, that motorcyclists are from all occupations and walks of life, and that motorcycles can reduce congestion. Mr. Bill -- DoD #224, UB #8, KotFMLO Ubi non accusator, ibi non judex denizen@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 23:08:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08292; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25091 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (known relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05662 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charlie.mnsinc.com (charlie.mnsinc.com [206.239.52.83]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA02052 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:08:48 -0400 (EDT) From: adl64@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Blast from the past... Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:12:14 GMT Message-ID: <35abcc26.880712529@relay.mnsinc.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone ever check out the archived messages on the dc-cycles webpage?=20 http://www.dc-cycles.org/archives.html Kind of fun to see who was on the list three years ago, and what trouble they were getting into! =20 Anita '96 GPZ1100 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 23:21:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08336; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25238 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05865 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:17:50 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:18:54 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bdaed6$21d232e0$2d80e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <199807140131.VAA01439@kiri.meretrix.com> Importance: Normal > >Whatever happened to our logo? I'd love to be able to wear a dc-cycles > >t-shirt on the group rides (under Canyon Jacket but clearly visible at > >rest stops!). > > We've had one proposal: > http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html > -harry What kinda skeezy girl's bike is that on the logo? :) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 23:22:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08345; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25268 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:22:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05894 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id XAA06784; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:15:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:15:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycle Subject: Blatant commercial/battery charger Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The most recent Motorcycle Consumer News (MCN) has a test report on battery chargers. Their "Best Buy" is a 2-amp ("Superior" brand) automatic charger. If you want one and can't find it locally (most of you seem to be in the 'burbs; I'm in the middle of DC), I've got six of them left @ $20. --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 23:30:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08388; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25444 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA05997 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:30:40 -0400 (EDT) From: MARKSOMM@XXXXXX Received: from MARKSOMM@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WMUIa04520 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:29:08 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <1b59080e.35aad085@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:29:08 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Crash Advice Part 2 -Reply Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 In a message dated 98-07-13 11:08:03 EDT, DavidW@XXXXXX writes: > Are you sure about this? Liability insurance in mandatory in Maryland, > but in Virginia, I thought you had the option of paying the state some > special five or six hundred dollar "no insurance fee" and then driving "at > your own risk" by not carrying auto/bike insurance at all. > Yeah, but I didn't think anybody was stupid enough to pay $600 a year to not be insured. Mark From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 13 23:44:20 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA08452; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:44:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA25560 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA06234 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:44:11 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WJCLa04520 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:42:13 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:42:13 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Crash Advice Part 2 -Reply Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-07-13 23:36:01 EDT, you write: << Yeah, but I didn't think anybody was stupid enough to pay $600 a year to not be insured. >> You'd be surprised. But anyway, I could be wrong, but I thought the uninsured motorist charge of $400 (or whatever the figure is) was so that you could REGISTER a vehicle without insurance but you arent supposed to drive/ride it. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 00:22:31 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA09314; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA27145 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA07144 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm2-20.dial.nova.org (pm2-20.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.244]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id AAA24123 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:22:18 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: BMW that's actually kind of cool Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 04:22:17 GMT Message-ID: <35abdc03.11378420@mailgate.nova.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Check out a quickie look at a new BMW: http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcbmw/r11s.html Underseat exhaust allows the single sided rear wheel to flap naked in the breeze. Now, if only they'd make wheels that look nice... It looks to have clip-ons mounted below the triples. I don't know that I could get used to having the cylinders/heads sticking out on the sides like that (and there's that shaft drive thing) but BMW is getting closer to building a bike that could make it on my list of desireables... Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 01:03:43 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA09694; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 01:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA27439 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 01:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA07802 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 01:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA29506; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:59:55 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:51:55 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: TL paint job color suggestions? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <8b77fabc.35a94c0b@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 12 Jul 1998 WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > I am seriously considering repainting my TL (currently dark green) IMHO,the green ones are the best looking.But it's your bike. > Any suggestions? I am looking for > solid colors only (unless you have a really kick ass idea). Well,if you're not concerned about jinxing the bike I know of two Buell colors you might like.The first is a deep metallic blue(almost black) that the first S2's had.Really nice,especially with a black motor and some polished/chromed bits to set it off.The second is 'high- voltage yellow' that the '96 S1's had.It was a really bright yellow with a touch of green(like a chartreuse).I was going to get my bike in this color,but got a better deal on the black one. If you're interested in either of these,I have a magazine with the mixing instructions for the colors. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 02:33:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA10426; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA27855 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA08745 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA00763; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:29:44 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:28:37 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: 95 Honda Shadow 1100 To: Kelli Jareaux cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Kelli Jareaux wrote: > As I rode it I noticed a vibration at about 55 mph, which the > owner claims is due to his need to service the lube point (I have > no idea what this is). Where was the vibration?Late model Shadows don't have dual-offset crankpins anymore;they shake like Harleys. > The owner is willing to have me take it to > my mechanic (Garcia, I hope you are reading this) so that will be > an opportunity for me to determine if it has major repair issues. If the owner's willing,go for it.Especially if the guy is claiming the vibration is caused by a lack of servicing.Maybe a bearing is about to go. > It is belt driven. Eh?The only belt drive Japanese bike I know of is the LTD454(not sure about the EN500).If it's an 1100 Shadow it should be a shaftie. If it actually does have a belt,it means the owner did some kind of custom work and I would definitely get it checked by a mechanic.I remember reading an article about a guy who coverted his VMax to a chain and wound up skating down a dragstrip when a seal failed. > I am looking for advice on whether this is a good deal and > whether the shadow is a good bike. I have been riding for close > to ten years but have never owned a bike that cost me more > than $1,500 and never owned anything but Yamahas (which I > have been very satisfied with). From your other post it sounds like the guy just needs to get rid of it.If the only damage is minor cosmetics,and vibes turn out to be no big deal,then it sounds like a pretty sweet deal. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 02:51:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA10594; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA28407 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA08872 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA00851; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:48:17 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:44:33 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Hot Pavement? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170E59@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > And to think all this time I just used a crushed soda can (if I lose it, > easily replaced) - fits nicely in my front 'Stich pocket to boot.. not > like I care if I loose it.. :P Works good too.. Hey,if you really want to be trick you could get one of those cool black plastic footprints.I hear they sell them at Coleman's! ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 03:15:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA10832; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA29312 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA09128 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA00907; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:05:46 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:48:32 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: shipping costs/looking for a bike To: Mark Petty cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19980713195434351.AAA211@mpetty.hscribe.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Mark Petty wrote: > Second, a friend of a friend is selling an 84 Manga V45 in Michigan for > $1400 (with saddle bads and stuff). Anybody have a clue on shipping costs > and time involved to get it from there to here? Good or bad experiences? Sorry to be pedantic,but the V45 was made '82-83.The '84's were 700cc (V45 was 750).About the only difference is 50ccs,and the 45's had round headlights and remote-reservoir shocks. The only real probs were the cams.They had a combination of too soft cam material and not enough lubrication.There was a company that made a kit that routed external oil lines to the heads to fix this problem, but I think they went out of business.I've seen plans for a similar kit on one of the V4 webpages,search through Yahoo's motorcycle section (under recreation).My dad had an '84 and wound up going through two sets of cams at $400 per head. Otherwise,they were great bikes,better than the current models.They're just as fast(or faster) than the current ones,plus they have shaft drive, a hydraulic clutch,hydraulic self-adjusting valves,dual front disks,and a centerstand. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 03:15:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA10840; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA29352 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA09144 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA00936; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:12:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:06:41 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: No plans for the weekend.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Kirk Roy wrote: > On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > > Alright.. this is a rarity, I've no plans for this weekend (I really > > need to take someone out on a ride for awhile one night.. no biggie > > though). > I might be able to get out on Saturday. I'd like to do a ride on my > brother's Radian so I'll be a fair bit slower than usual (due to the > bouncy bouncy suspension). I'll let you know. I can do Sat,but I'd have to be back by 5pm(can't tap dance to the boss a second time). I got my gel pad and would love the chance to try it on more than just a lap of the Beltway.I also put on the Vance & Hines.Big boost to my midrange.Sounds way better too. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 03:28:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA10971; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA29747 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (known pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id DAA09280 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA01007; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:24:59 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 03:24:11 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? To: George Howell cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000801bdaed6$21d232e0$2d80e2cf@ghowell> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, George Howell wrote: > What kinda skeezy girl's bike is that on the logo? Grrrrrr...... The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 07:41:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA12281; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA03994 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:40:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1b.yahoomail.com (known send1b.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA11642 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980714113937.26966.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send1b; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 04:39:37 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 04:39:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, George Howell MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Easy now George, You don't want to stir up a bunch of shit...Remember there are lots of Ladies on the list and they might get offended by that remark.....Besides it looks more like one of those uglyass Buells Craig ---George Howell wrote: > What kinda skeezy girl's bike is that on the logo? > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 08:10:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12532; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04219 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1e.yahoomail.com (known send1e.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12162 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980714120643.23386.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1e; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 05:06:43 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 05:06:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Tire Changer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Dysart@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Craig, since I can't seem to post to the list would you let everyone know that I will still host the tire changer. I will also STILL be willing to add $$$ to it unlike what Zbig suggested. Thanx Glenn _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 08:14:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12557; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04262 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1b.yahoomail.com (known send1b.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12302 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980714121301.10862.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1b; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 05:13:01 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 05:13:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: TL paint job color suggestions? To: Leon Begeman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Good luck getting the decals for $40.00 , I have already priced them and $40 will get you squat....The 2 tank decals and thats about it... Craig ---Leon Begeman wrote: > > Thomas H. Gimer wrote: > > some idjit on a mailing list said it would look good. > > You don't have to take my word for it, I can prove how good it looks. > :-) But the decals will cost about $40, and you can't get them from > Coleman's. > > Leon. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 08:16:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12611; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04341 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12354 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ABCBBF0162; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:15:10 EDT Message-Id: X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:54:57 -0400 To: dc-cycle From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: mechanical q: starter clutch assembly slipping on crankshaft In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:55 PM 7/13/98 -0400, Garcia Oliver wrote: >I mostly ride a (modified) 1978 GS-750. Sometimes the electric starter >spins without turning the motor. (Fortunately, there's a kick starter.) >The reason this happens seems to be that the starter clutch assembly is >slipping on the crankshaft--it's a tapered shaft without splines or key to >hold the starter clutch (and alternator rotor) from slipping. Instead, >it's a press-fit, held in place by a none-too-robust bolt and split >washer, which I don't want to tighten further, for fear of breaking. I'd replace the bolt with a good grade-8 bolt. Then I'd ensure that when tightening the bolt, the clutch assembly is being pressed onto the taper (if the bolt bottoms out before tightening onto the clutch, no amount of tightening with help). Then I'd make sure the taper is clean and dry, fit the clutch in place and seat it with a dead-blow hammer. Then tighten the bolt to at least the recommended torque (maybe more). I also might use thread-lock, if I think the engine vibration is loosening the bolt. good luck, and let us know what works, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 08:16:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12612; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04339 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12352 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ABCEBF0162; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:15:10 EDT Message-Id: X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:49:51 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: dc-cycles as a club? In-Reply-To: <35AA7F08.8E7D9F9A@anent.com> References: <199807140131.VAA01439@kiri.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I really like the design. What if instead of a black square background it was round? That'd probably look real good on an orange or yellow t-shirt. Place it on the front so when you unzip your jacket you could see it. Chris Norloff At 10:41 PM 7/13/98 +0100, Craig wrote: >I think it's too Dark needs to be really bright and flashy...catch the eye and be >highly visable > >Harry Mantakos wrote: > >> >Whatever happened to our logo? I'd love to be able to wear a dc-cycles >> >t-shirt on the group rides (under Canyon Jacket but clearly visible at >> >rest stops!). >> >> We've had one proposal: >> http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html >> -harry >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Human: Harry Mantakos USPS: 547 E. Gittings St. Baltimore, MD 21230 >> Email: harry@XXXXXX Evil Twins: harry@XXXXXX, harry@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 08:16:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12616; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04337 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (known oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12349 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.eainet.com (oak.eainet.com [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA02286; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:15:17 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:15:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: Craig cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles as a club? In-Reply-To: <35AA7E9F.8FCA5703@anent.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I had toyed with a idea along the idea of a motorcycle superposed on a capitol dome, and on a DC geopolitical boundary shape. The latter might lend itself to a diamond shaped patch. My lack of graphic design chops and time stopped me... -ph From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 08:16:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12617; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04345 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12360 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ABD0BF0162; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:15:12 EDT Message-Id: X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:01:03 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Crash Advice Part 2 -Reply In-Reply-To: <1b59080e.35aad085@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> Are you sure about this? Liability insurance in mandatory in Maryland, >> but in Virginia, I thought you had the option of paying the state some >> special five or six hundred dollar "no insurance fee" and then driving "at >> your own risk" by not carrying auto/bike insurance at all. > >Yeah, but I didn't think anybody was stupid enough to pay $600 a year to not >be insured. >Mark That would depend on what your insurance rate would be, and how many assets you have to protect. A young, bad driver might find the $600 a bargain. It sounds terrible, but this is Virginia's way of trying to provide some compensation for people hurt by under-insured or uninsured drivers. At least when I had to investigate getting compensation from them, at the end of the year Virginia would tally up all the damage done by uninsured/underinsured drivers, and spilt the money with all affected. Personally, I think if you can't afford liability insurance you shouldn't be allowed to drive ... and if you're caught driving then you should be jailed and the vehicle be sold, with the proceeds going into this uninsured/underinsured pool. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 08:17:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12626; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04355 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12373 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm1-18.dial.nova.org (pm1-18.dial.nova.org [209.31.144.146]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id IAA27261 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:15:56 -0400 (EDT) From: kirk@XXXXXX (Kirk Roy) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: TL paint job color suggestions? Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:16:02 GMT Message-ID: <35ab4be7.40027329@mailgate.nova.org> References: <19980714121301.10862.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> In-Reply-To: <19980714121301.10862.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 14 Jul 1998 05:13:01 -0700 (PDT), Craig wrote: >Good luck getting the decals for $40.00 , I have already priced them >and $40 will get you squat....The 2 tank decals and thats about it... How about www.tapeworks.com? Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 08:33:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12714; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA04592 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:32:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from malady.cais.net (known malady.cais.net [199.0.216.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA12622 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wowbager ([205.177.20.124]) by malady.cais.net (8.8.7/CJKv1.99-CAIS) with SMTP id IAA06952 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980713144134.006976b8@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:41:34 -0400 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Mike Subject: Re: One more this past weekend In-Reply-To: <71D739DB74A8D111BB1800805FA9C49526F935@GROVER> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:37 PM 7/13/98 -0400, you wrote: >It seems that this weekend was not a great one for quite a few people on the >list, and unfortunately you can add me to the statistics. > Good to know you're not too badly hurt, and bike was rideable. Hope you get it fixed up soon. >Thanks again to Craig, Glenn, Bruce, Tom, Dave and Steve because without >them I would have been screwed. I always feel secure when riding with people >from DC-Cycles because I know if the unthinkable happens I am in good hands >with experienced smart riders. > Amen to that brother, amen to that! Mike B. 1998 ZX 900R >I keep you all posted of the progress and should hopefully have it up and >running in a few weeks. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 09:25:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13129; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05388 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13667 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA5295 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:17:57 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:22:53 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:25:39 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Hot Pavement? -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline After leaving two of those black footprints behind on night departures, I've switched to the bright orange ones. Joe '85 Ninja 900 >>> "Gil M. Nissley" - 7/12/98 12:32 AM >>> On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > And to think all this time I just used a crushed soda can (if I lose it, > easily replaced) - fits nicely in my front 'Stich pocket to boot.. not > like I care if I loose it.. :P Works good too.. Hey,if you really want to be trick you could get one of those cool black plastic footprints.I hear they sell them at Coleman's! ;-) The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 Fat Boy Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 09:35:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13232; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05624 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ixf2.securewebs.com (known [208.213.173.9] [208.213.173.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13857 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:34:52 -0400 (EDT) From: ChrisH@XXXXXX Received: from jupiter ([199.174.134.83]) by ixf2.securewebs.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-41701U2500L250S0) with SMTP id AAA340 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 06:39:10 +0100 Reply-To: Sender: "Christopher D. Hornbecker" To: Subject: 96 VFR750 for sale and Accessories Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:39:35 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01bdaf2d$943c70a0$0700000a@jupiter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal I have a 1996 VFR for sale. The asking price is $6875, but is negotiable. If you don't like this price make me a reasonable offer. The bike has never been down, and it has always been garaged. The only reason I am selling it is because of a lack of time to ride. I am a small business owner and our company is growing fast....but unfortunately it leaves little to no time to ride this beautiful machine. It is adult owned with only 5,000 miles and not a scratch on it. It also has a magknight magnetic tank bra. You can view pictures of it at http://www.powerlinkusa.com/vfr4sale I also have a Vanson perforated leather jacket, an Arai Quantum/e helmet, an HJC chatterbox unit, VFR manual, and an Eclipse bag for sale....prices listed at the above web site. If you don't like them.....make me an offer! Chris Hornbecker ChrisH@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 09:43:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13320; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA05776 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14080 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807141343.JAA14080@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A085C901E0; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:43:33 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:44:59 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Hot Pavement? -Reply In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I hear you there. The only thing that works for me is to tie it to the bike with a piece of string. The string stays permanently attached when I stow the footprint in the fairing. I once rode several miles with the footprint trailing by the string, and never knew it until I stopped and looked for the footprint. Good thing I was at Daytona where I had a chance to impress a few people. :-o So I use weak string, so the footprint will break loose before causing any serious problems. I suppose looping the string around a handgrip would help, as a reminder. Chris Norloff At 09:25 AM 7/14/98 -0400, JOE NAGY wrote: >After leaving two of those black footprints behind on night departures, >I've switched to the bright orange ones. >Joe >'85 Ninja 900 > >>>> "Gil M. Nissley" - 7/12/98 12:32 AM >>> >On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: >> And to think all this time I just used a crushed soda can (if I lose >it, >> easily replaced) - fits nicely in my front 'Stich pocket to boot.. not >> like I care if I loose it.. :P Works good too.. > > Hey,if you really want to be trick you could get one of those cool >black plastic footprints.I hear they sell them at Coleman's! ;-) > > > >The official BuellBoy Genes model. > >gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> > >'98 Fat Boy > >Buell S1 Lightning "The Pretty Hate Machine" > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 09:59:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA13476; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06283 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:58:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (known relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA14525 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yw5bc-0002dw-00; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:58:56 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id <3SY5TH67>; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:56:53 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D825473@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: British Magazines... Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:55:13 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I picked up 2 moto-mags while I was stopped over in England. "Superbike" and "Bike." One of them offered a surprise centerfold when I flipped to the middle of the magazine... D'OH!! Well, I did buy them for Tom... ; ) I also got to see a lot of motorcycle racing on t.v. That was really cool. There seems to be a lot more emphasis on it as a sport over there. - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 10:04:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13636; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06490 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:04:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1d.yahoomail.com (known send1d.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.48]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14627 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980714135802.375.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1d; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 06:58:02 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 06:58:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: re: decals To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii oop's ....sorry Leon thought that you meant Suzk decals ---"Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" wrote: > > He's talking about the John Deere decals. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Craig [SMTP:tleatsducks@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 8:13 AM > > To: Leon Begeman; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: TL paint job color suggestions? > > > > > > > > Good luck getting the decals for $40.00 , I have already priced them > > and $40 will get you squat....The 2 tank decals and thats about it... > > Craig > > > > > > ---Leon Begeman wrote: But the decals will cost about $40, and you can't get them from > > > Coleman's. > > > > > > Leon. > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 10:07:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13715; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06539 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.rtcdirect.com (known ns.rtcdirect.com [208.138.238.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14737 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grover.rtcdirect.com ([192.168.16.9] (may be forged)) by ns.rtcdirect.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA08051 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:17:51 -0400 Received: by GROVER with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3MQJC572>; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:09:13 -0400 Message-ID: <71D739DB74A8D111BB1800805FA9C49526F940@GROVER> From: "Westbrook, Richard" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:09:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Well it seems that until the bike is repaired I may have a lot of time on my hands. Don't worry I'll slave away on my computer while you all are out having fun on your working bikes. :-) Rich Westbrook > ---------- > From: Craig > Sent: Monday, July 13, 1998 9:39 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: dc-cycles as a club? > > That idea seems to have faded....What about it all you Graphic Design > people????? > > Lets get some serious ideas going and promote ourselves.......There are > enough of us that it would cut the cost way down if we bonded together as > a > CLUB and not just as a bunch of individual computer/biker intellects. ;~) > > > Anita Lauro wrote: > > > On Monday, July 13, 1998 9:02 PM, zbig@XXXXXX [SMTP:zbig@XXXXXX] > > wrote: > > > > > 7) I think we are ready to start setting DC-cycles as club, and look > > > later for perks like discounty at parts places... > > > > Great idea!! > > > > Whatever happened to our logo? I'd love to be able to wear a dc-cycles > > t-shirt on the group rides (under Canyon Jacket but clearly visible at > > rest stops!). > > > > Anita > > '96 GPZ1100 > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 10:16:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13803; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06954 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14963 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA5639 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:08:25 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:13:17 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:15:47 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: NEED IGNITION KILL -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sean, Dealers that sell ATVs and Watercraft (maybe even outboard motors) carry dead-man swtiches. An ATV one would probably be best. Joe >>> - 7/13/98 9:35 PM >>> I need an ignition kill switch by this friday, thursday if possible to be eligible for races. I called pingel, but they only do credit card orders and I have none. does anyone have a used one laying around they dont want? or know of a local place to get one? I dont have any room to mount one on my handle bars, so I dont need a real nice one. I was just going to get a plastic one from pingel, so anything race legal will do. Thanks in advance. Sean G. Petr 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 10:16:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13808; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA06975 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1d.yahoomail.com (known send1d.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.48]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14970 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980714140955.10801.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1d; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:09:55 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:09:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Fwd: FW: Bar chat Translations To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, bnorton@XXXXXX, jjohnsto@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---"Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" wrote: > > > > > Subject: Bar chat Translations > > > > > > "You get this one, next round is on me." > > (We won't be here long enough to get another round.) > > > > "I'll get this one, next one is on you." > > (Happy hour is about to end... now drafts are a dollar, but by the > > next round they'll be $4.50 a pop.) > > > > "Hey, where is that friend of yours?" > > (I have no interest in talking to you except as a way to get your > > attractive friend into a compromising position.) > > > > "Can I get a glass of white zinfandel." (female) > > (I'm easy.) > > > > "Can I get a glass of white zinfandel." (male) > > (I'm gay.) > > > > "I don't feel well, let's go home." (female) > > (You are paying more attention to your friends than me.) > > > > "I don't feel well, let's go home." (male) > > (I'm horny.) > > > > "Who's got the next round?" > > (I haven't bought a round in almost 3 years, but I am an expert at > > diverting attention.) > > > > Excuse Me." (male to male) > > (Get the fuck out of the way.) > > > > "Excuse Me." (male to female) > > (I am going to grope you now.) > > > > "Excuse Me." (female to male) > > (Don't even think about groping me, just get the fuck out of the way.) > > > > "Excuse Me." (female to female) > > (Move your fat ass. Who do you think you are anyway? You are not all > > that, missy, and don't think for one minute that you are. Coming in > > here dressing like a ho...Get your eyes off of my man, or I'll slap > > you, bitch, like the slut you are.) > > > > "Can I have a white Russian?" (male) > > (I'm really gay.) > > > > "Can I have a white Russian?" (female) > > (I'm really easy.) > > > > "That person looks really familiar." > > (Did I sleep with him/her?) > > > > "Can I just get a glass of water?" (female) > > (I'm annoying, but cute enough to get away with this.) > > > > "I don't have my ID on me." (female) > > (I'm 19.) > > > > "I don't have my ID on me." (male) > > (I don't have a license since I got pulled over and blew a 0.4 after > > my last visit here.) > > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 10:24:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA13956; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:24:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07604 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15163 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA5742 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:17:04 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:21:54 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:24:15 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles as a club? -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Boy does this sound familiar: "I really like the ad/design/idea BUT . . ." To be fair to people submitting designs, buy it or kill it, but don't try to "fix" it. If you don't like it, send a better one in. $.02 from a guy who gets his ideas "fixed" for a living. : >) Joe '85 Ninja 900 Turd Polisher for A Major Advertising Agency >>> Chris Norloff - 7/14/98 7:49 AM >>> I really like the design. What if instead of a black square background it was round? That'd probably look real good on an orange or yellow t-shirt. Place it on the front so when you unzip your jacket you could see it. Chris Norloff At 10:41 PM 7/13/98 +0100, Craig wrote: >I think it's too Dark needs to be really bright and flashy...catch the eye and be >highly visable > >Harry Mantakos wrote: > >> >Whatever happened to our logo? I'd love to be able to wear a dc-cycles >> >t-shirt on the group rides (under Canyon Jacket but clearly visible at >> >rest stops!). >> >> We've had one proposal: >> http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html >> -harry >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Human: Harry Mantakos USPS: 547 E. Gittings St. Baltimore, MD 21230 >> Email: harry@XXXXXX Evil Twins: harry@XXXXXX, harry@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 10:28:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14036; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA07799 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15347 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:28:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA14268 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:28:10 -0700 Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:28:10 -0700 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:29:20 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >I had toyed with a idea along the idea of a motorcycle superposed on a >capitol dome, and on a DC geopolitical boundary shape. The latter might >lend itself to a diamond shaped patch. The interesting thing is that almost none of us are from DC - I'd just as soon not have a pictorial reference to the district. Of the many proposed designs to date, I like the silhouetted bike - I would prefer an M-900 Ducati to the sportster-in-drag, though... Michael (I'm only kidding, already (about the s-i-d, that is)) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 10:36:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14203; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:36:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08310 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15728 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA5830 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:29:04 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:34:00 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:36:26 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jlobrien@XXXXXX Subject: British Magazines... -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Those Brit mags can be awfully un-PC. I prefer "Performance Bikes," which could also be titled "Hooligan Illustrated." And yeah, road racers are actually appreciated in other parts of the world. Roberts, Lawson and Schwantz were/are considered gods in Europe; and Mick Doohan was named Australian Athlete of the Year couple years back. I was in London last summer and had a great Foggy vs. Kocinsky debate with my cabbie on the ride to my hotel. Imagine that happening here! Uh, no. Joe '85 Ninja 900 >>> "O'Brien, Jeannette" - 7/14/98 9:55 AM >>> I picked up 2 moto-mags while I was stopped over in England. "Superbike" and "Bike." One of them offered a surprise centerfold when I flipped to the middle of the magazine... D'OH!! Well, I did buy them for Tom... ; ) I also got to see a lot of motorcycle racing on t.v. That was really cool. There seems to be a lot more emphasis on it as a sport over there. - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 10:49:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14396; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08762 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (known relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16178 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yw6OL-0000Mq-00; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:49:17 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id <3SY5TH0M>; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:47:12 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D82547D@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'JOE NAGY'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? -Reply Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:45:32 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Wow, I just got a chance to see the logo submission. It's TOO COOL!! : ) I like how it looks slightly evil. - Jeannette > >> > >> We've had one proposal: > >> http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html > >> -harry > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > >> Human: Harry Mantakos USPS: 547 E. Gittings St. > Baltimore, > MD > 21230 > >> Email: harry@XXXXXX Evil Twins: harry@XXXXXX, > harry@XXXXXX > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 10:51:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14452; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08806 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16234 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:51:47 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id UMPLa06640; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:51:04 EDT To: denizen@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Ride to Work Day Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 I ride to work every day :D Marcy In a message dated 7/13/98 11:13:40 PM, denizen@XXXXXX wrote: <> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 10:52:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14469; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08865 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (known imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16273 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:52:49 -0400 (EDT) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 9YUYa04160; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9504d154.35ab7023@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:50:10 EDT To: anita@XXXXXX, zbig@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: dc-cycles as a club? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 84 In a message dated 7/13/98 9:29:32 PM, anita@XXXXXX wrote: I'm all for that! :D Marcy <<> 7) I think we are ready to start setting DC-cycles as club, and look > later for perks like discounty at parts places... Great idea!! Whatever happened to our logo? I'd love to be able to wear a dc-cycles t-shirt on the group rides (under Canyon Jacket but clearly visible at rest stops!). Anita '96 GPZ1100>> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 10:53:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA14481; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:53:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA08881 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:53:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (known relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA16296 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yw6S1-0000ml-00; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:53:05 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id <3SY5TH0Z>; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:50:58 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D82547F@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Jordan, Michael'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:49:18 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain No, no capitals!! Yuck. - J > -----Original Message----- > From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 10:29 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? > > >I had toyed with a idea along the idea of a motorcycle superposed on > a > >capitol dome, and on a DC geopolitical boundary shape. The latter > might > >lend itself to a diamond shaped patch. > > The interesting thing is that almost none of us are from DC - I'd just > as soon not have a pictorial reference to the district. > > Of the many proposed designs to date, I like the silhouetted bike - I > would prefer an M-900 Ducati to the sportster-in-drag, though... > > Michael (I'm only kidding, already (about the s-i-d, that is)) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 11:33:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15142; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:33:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09754 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA17859 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:33:30 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421C0E00@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Sat ride already.. come on guys (and gals) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:43:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Glenn's interested.. I NEED to get out... you all have been ripping and shreading all summer without me, and now there's nothing being planned for this weekend? Lets get it together folx.. sheesh.. all I need to know is where to be and when to be there.. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 11:42:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15260; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA09867 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18065 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA00448 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:42:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Sat ride already.. come on guys (and gals) In-Reply-To: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F450421C0E00@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > Glenn's interested.. I NEED to get out... you all have been ripping and > shreading all summer without me, and now there's nothing being planned > for this weekend? Lets get it together folx.. sheesh.. all I need to > know is where to be and when to be there.. Er, the last ride I did was finalized late on Friday (I even had to make some calls to ensure everyone was aware...). I wouldn't get too anxious on Tuesday. Of course, there's no reason you couldn't just set something up... I'll try to be there if I can (pending approval from the Master). Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 11:51:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15462; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10356 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18385 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA6509 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:43:42 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:48:37 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:50:51 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles as a club? -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Boy does this sound familiar: "I really like the ad/design/idea BUT . . ." To be fair to people submitting designs, buy it or kill it, but don't try to "fix" it. If you don't like it, send a better one in. $.02 from a guy who gets his ideas "fixed" for a living. : >) Joe '85 Ninja 900 Turd Polisher for A Major Advertising Agency >>> Chris Norloff - 7/14/98 7:49 AM >>> I really like the design. What if instead of a black square background it was round? That'd probably look real good on an orange or yellow t-shirt. Place it on the front so when you unzip your jacket you could see it. Chris Norloff At 10:41 PM 7/13/98 +0100, Craig wrote: >I think it's too Dark needs to be really bright and flashy...catch the eye and be >highly visable > >Harry Mantakos wrote: > >> >Whatever happened to our logo? I'd love to be able to wear a dc-cycles >> >t-shirt on the group rides (under Canyon Jacket but clearly visible at >> >rest stops!). >> >> We've had one proposal: >> http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html >> -harry >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Human: Harry Mantakos USPS: 547 E. Gittings St. Baltimore, MD 21230 >> Email: harry@XXXXXX Evil Twins: harry@XXXXXX, harry@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 11:54:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15544; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10736 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18454 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:54:46 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id BESQa13455; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:53:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:53:43 EDT To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sat ride already.. come on guys (and gals) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 let me know too.... Im in. Sean G. Petr 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 11:56:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15586; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10819 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18501 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mberman@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA04845; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:50:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:50:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D82547F@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I think a picture of Marion Barry might be a good background. On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > No, no capitals!! Yuck. > > - J > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jordan, Michael [SMTP:mike@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 10:29 AM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? > > > > >I had toyed with a idea along the idea of a motorcycle superposed on > > a > > >capitol dome, and on a DC geopolitical boundary shape. The latter > > might > > >lend itself to a diamond shaped patch. > > > > The interesting thing is that almost none of us are from DC - I'd just > > as soon not have a pictorial reference to the district. > > > > Of the many proposed designs to date, I like the silhouetted bike - I > > would prefer an M-900 Ducati to the sportster-in-drag, though... > > > > Michael (I'm only kidding, already (about the s-i-d, that is)) J. > -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, mberman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. -=-=-=-=-=> PGP Key Available Upon Request, MIME Messages Accepted <=-=-=-=-=- Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 11:57:09 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15597; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10844 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (known camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18544 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (user-38lcml9.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.90.169]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA31738; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:56:30 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDAF1E.701EFA80.zellto@mindspring.com> From: "Thomas W.Zell" Reply-To: "zellto@XXXXXX" To: "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , "'JOE NAGY'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "cnorloff@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? -Reply Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:56:28 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Someone take the Buell outta the logo... My VFR is up for modeling if anyone wants to use it! :-) -Tom '86 VFR750R -----Original Message----- From: O'Brien, Jeannette [SMTP:jlobrien@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 10:46 AM To: 'JOE NAGY'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; cnorloff@XXXXXX Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? -Reply Wow, I just got a chance to see the logo submission. It's TOO COOL!! : ) I like how it looks slightly evil. - Jeannette > >> > >> We've had one proposal: > >> http://www.dc-cycles.org/logo.html > >> -harry > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > >> Human: Harry Mantakos USPS: 547 E. Gittings St. > Baltimore, > MD > 21230 > >> Email: harry@XXXXXX Evil Twins: harry@XXXXXX, > harry@XXXXXX > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 11:59:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA15629; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA10900 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (known imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA18593 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:58:54 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WXQTa22587 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1d7c82c8.35ab7f8e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:55:57 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Got ignition kill Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Got a Gunnar Killer... hmm, nice name. its an atv switch, but I will adapt it. although the release is a little(understatement) tight, not sure how well it will disconnect, not that I want to find out. ;-) Sean G. Petr 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 12:01:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15708; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11006 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (known omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18682 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA25621; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:01:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localHost ([166.41.242.141]) by omta1.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980714160110.UJIB5552@[166.41.242.141]>; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:01:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Peer To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Sat ride already.. come on guys (and gals) X-Mailer: MailRoom v2.1e Message-Id: <19980714160110.UJIB5552@[166.41.242.141]> I'm up for Sunday.....Oh yeah, I'm back on the list. Saturday, no-can-do. If anyone is up for a Sunday jaunt/romp/stomp, I'm in! Todd Brian McCoy wrote on: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:43:32 -0400 >Glenn's interested.. I NEED to get out... you all have been ripping and >shreading all summer without me, and now there's nothing being planned >for this weekend? Lets get it together folx.. sheesh.. all I need to >know is where to be and when to be there.. >Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM >US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 >Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 12:05:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15748; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11274 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send101.yahoomail.com (known send101.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.87]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18840 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980714160455.25189.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send101.yahoomail.com; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:04:55 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:04:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Re: Sat ride already.. come on guys (and gals) To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" , "'dc'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Brian , glenn and I were already (this morning) discussing a ride for Saturday......going into Western Md, Northern Wva. ....Leaving early a.m. and still deciding on a start point..Maybe AMOCO in LEESBURG >?? More details to follow , so be easy.it's being worked on already.... Craig ---"McCoy, Brian P HQ02" wrote: > > Glenn's interested.. I NEED to get out... you all have been ripping and > shreading all summer without me, and now there's nothing being planned > for this weekend? Lets get it together folx.. sheesh.. all I need to > know is where to be and when to be there.. > Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM > US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 > Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 12:09:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15784; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11636 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA18948 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807141609.MAA18948@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A2A315102D2; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:09:07 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:21:33 -0400 To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "BMW Motorcycle List" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Another Deal's Gap message... In-Reply-To: <000001bdada7$43f957c0$2080e2cf@ghowell> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Here's some first-hand information from a reliable source - Mike Stewart (3rd place finisher of the 1997 Iron Butt, member of ldrider & Sab/Mag lists) From: "Mike Stewart" >According to today's Motorcycle online: >Feds Effectively Close Deal's Gap to Motorcyclists <*sigh*> It's a joke. I was there just this last weekend. A little discernment can go a long way when one is perusing the Internet. If more people used some common sense, I wouldn't have to listen to people rant for a week solid everytime the chum is thrown into the water. Mike Stewart **************************************************************** At 11:10 AM 7/12/98 -0400, George Howell wrote: >Not sure of the veracity of this. I think the email address of the original >poster is included. Haven't verified it or anything. > >---------------------------------------- >-George Howell >ghowell@XXXXXX >georgehowell@XXXXXX > >Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:02:13 -0500 >From: nathan >Subject: [Wings] Deal's Gap Riders > >I went to Deal's Gap yesterday for a long anticipated ride. I was >extremely disappointed to find myself face-to-face with a U.S. park ranger. > He informed me that, effective this past Tuesday, July 7th, all >motorcycles riding Deal's Gap must have a permit from the U.S. Park >Service. Since US129 runs through national forests, the U.S. Forestry >Service determined that the park service, having a permit system set up, >would be the logical choice to administer the permits and enforce same. > >The permit costs $300 per year, and includes a "cleanup" fee and a $100,000 >accidental death and dismemberment insurance policy for those motorcyclists >that "go down" while riding the Gap. Apparently, there has been a great >deal of money spent on cleanup after riders wreck their bikes, and their >insurance policies don't always cover that cleanup. > >Needless to say, this came as a complete surprise to me, and at least 5 >other riders that I saw. Two park rangers were helping unload what >appeared to be a check station type building from a flat bed trailer, one >to be set up at each end. I stayed and talked to one of the park rangers >after the other riders left, and told him that riding the gap was one of my >goals on this trip. After much discussion, he told me that, as this was >the first week of the permit policy, I could follow him to the other end at >a reduced speed. He said that he would not require the permit, and that he >would have done the same for the other riders if they had hung around. > >I thanked the man, and waited for him to get to his vehicle. After about 5 >minutes, he motioned me to follow him, and we started across "The Dragon", >at a speed of approximately 15 mph. It was not the ride my wife and I >expected. I stopped at the Crossroads Of Time store and checked with the >owner. He said that it was true, and that many riders had been caught >unprepared for the permit requirements. > >It appears that a great road for riding has been placed financially out of >reach for many of us, and there does not seem to be any short term >solution. This might be a good time to start writing Senators and >Representatives to change this policy that seems to have been generated >somewhere other than reality. > >Nathan Riggs >Georgetown, Texas (temporarily, somewhere NW of Atlanta) >96 SE - the reflection of all colors > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 12:16:42 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15921; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA11971 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (known relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19281 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yw7kc-0002Vc-01; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:16:22 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id <3SY5T2VC>; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:14:19 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D825496@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Morris Berman'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:12:38 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Double YUCK!! > -----Original Message----- > From: Morris Berman [SMTP:mberman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 11:51 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? > > I think a picture of Marion Barry might be a good background. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 12:19:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA15955; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12223 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (known relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19381 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0yw7nO-0002oY-00; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:19:14 -0400 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id <3SY5T2WM>; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:17:07 -0400 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D825498@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Todd Peer'" , "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" Cc: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Sat ride already.. come on guys (and gals) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:15:26 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sunday sounds good to me! I've got a company party on Saturday... : ) I'd like to be done by around 4 or so, though... - J > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 11:47 AM > To: McCoy, Brian P HQ02 > Cc: 'dc' > Subject: Re: Sat ride already.. come on guys (and gals) > > > I'm up for Sunday.....Oh yeah, I'm back on the list. > > Saturday, no-can-do. If anyone is up for a Sunday jaunt/romp/stomp, > I'm in! > > Todd > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 12:24:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16022; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12614 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19523 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:24:38 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256641.005A7AD3 ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:28:16 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256641.005A4CA8.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:28:12 -0400 Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I think a picture of Marion Barry might be a good background. Yea and we can pose him with a crack pipe. And we can put the slogan at the bottom "God damn bitch set me up" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 12:30:45 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16101; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:30:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12756 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA19752 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (IDENT:2015@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA01404 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:30:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Sat ride already.. come on guys (and gals) In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D825498@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Woo hoo! The spousal unit has set me free for Saturday! Hopefully we can do a route that will allow me to hit home at 5ish... I'll be the mysterious rider on the Yamaha Radian bouncing through the corners (well, maybe I'll be unable to resist the calls from the Hawk...). Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 12:40:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA16253; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:40:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA12960 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known gemini.smart.net [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA20021 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p19dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.51]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA17066; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:39:42 -0400 Message-ID: <013201bdaf46$06312ee0$d57f61ce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: , Subject: Re: dc-cycles as a club? Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:39:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Finally.....now there's a T-Shirt I would actually get some wear out of. ;-D -----Original Message----- From: To: Date: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 12:30 PM Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? >I think a picture of Marion Barry might be a good background. > >Yea and we can pose him with a crack pipe. And we can put the slogan at >the bottom "God damn bitch set me up" > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 13:10:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16742; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:10:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13840 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21166 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.65] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA02642 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:10:42 -0400 Message-ID: <016301bdaf49$fa9e6580$4173c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Deal's Gap Fee IS A HOAX!!! Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:08:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 This is from "Motorcycle Online" today (7/14) http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcdaily98/day0714.html "Deal's Gap Hoax Okay, fine, we admit it. We apparently fell for a hoax. As many of our readers pointed most, most politely, but others, some bikers being what they are, rudely, Deal's Gap has not been closed. And that been said, the Daily News will never mention Deal's Gap again, unless of course, to report that Deal's Gap has been wiped off the face of the earth and that of editor's email box will forever be free of "Deal's Gap News." " Bruce Leesburg, VA '98 VFR800 "Tronix" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 13:17:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16846; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA13998 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cyblinx.cybersoft.int (known krf.mc.net [209.172.182.97]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21439 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cyblinx.cybersoft.int (kr@XXXXXX [192.168.36.101]) by cyblinx.cybersoft.int (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA06708; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:26:27 -0500 From: "K.R. Foley" Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:26:27 GMT Message-ID: <19980714.18262700@cyblinx.cybersoft.int> Subject: Re: mechanical q: starter clutch assembly slipping on crankshaft To: Garcia Oliver CC: suzuki-l@XXXXXX, dc-cycle In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mozilla/3.0 (compatible; StarOffice/4.0; Unix) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Garcia, I know exactly what you are talking about. I have had the same problem=20 on my 81 GS1100E. I think that it is a poor design but that won't make=20 you feel any better. In my case I am not blessed with a kick starter=20 either.=20 First thing you must do is find out if the starter clutch and=20 crankshaft have enough meat left on them to make the proper fit. On=20 mine, each time the starter clutch slipped it ate away at the crank=20 and the inside of the starter clutch. The second time this happened I=20 had to replace the starter clutch/flywheel (whatever you call the=20 thing) because the inside had worn enough that it wouldn't get tight=20 without pressing the whole assembly into the crankcase (when tightened=20 the starter clutch gear must still spin freely in one direction.) Next, remove the starter clutch/alternator rotor assembly completely.=20 Completely remove all of the oil from the mating surface on the crank=20 and the starter clutch using some kind of solvent. I used brake=20 cleaner because that's what I had available. Next, using Loctite 640 Sleeve Retainer (green) liberally coat the=20 mating surface of the crank and starter clutch (only on the taper on=20 the crank, be careful not to get it on the flat surface of the crank=20 where the bearings for the starter clutch spin or on the threads).=20 Replace the starter clutch assembly onto the crankshaft and press and=20 spin slightly to seat it as good as possible.=20 Next, coat the threads of the bolt with Loctite 271 Threadlocker (red)=20 and torque the bolt to the proper specs. (My Clymer says 94 - 100 #=20 for mine)=20 NOTE: DO NOT LET THE GREEN LOCTITE MIX WITH THE RED ON THE THREADS. I=20 did the last time I put mine back together and I didn't get the nut=20 but a few turns on and it froze. I had to heat it to get it off. Let it sit for awhile before replacing the oil and firing up to give=20 the loctite time to cure. I have been through this about four times but mine is working now (I=20 am knocking on wood as I type.) If you know a Suzuki mechanic they may=20 be able to provide you with a better means of dealing with this and if=20 so please pass it along my way. Hope this helps, K.R. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Messsage <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 7/13/98, 8:55:36 PM, Garcia Oliver wrote=20 regarding mechanical q: starter clutch assembly slipping on=20 crankshaft: > Hi... >=20 > I mostly ride a (modified) 1978 GS-750. Sometimes the electric=20 starter > spins without turning the motor. (Fortunately, there's a kick=20 starter.) > The reason this happens seems to be that the starter clutch assembly=20 is > slipping on the crankshaft--it's a tapered shaft without splines or=20 key to > hold the starter clutch (and alternator rotor) from slipping. =20 Instead,=20 > it's a press-fit, held in place by a none-too-robust bolt and split=20 > washer, which I don't want to tighten further, for fear of breaking. >=20 > In other words, the starter motor turns the starter clutch assembly=20 > properly, but the (high compression) engine doesn't move. >=20 > So: anyone got a crafty idea about how to keep this starter clutch=20 > assembly attached to the crankshaft?=20 >=20 > Thanks. >=20 > --garcia >=20 >=20 >=20 > = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 =20 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 13:25:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16936; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14094 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21633 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 203; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:24:23 -0400 Message-ID: <35AB943C.F512C5A8@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:24:12 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Gil M. Nissley" , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: 95 Honda Shadow 1100 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gil, My wife's Suzuki Savage (1 cylinder, half a Harley) has belt drive. So do both the KZ440 LTD and KZ454 LTD. Nicer than a chain, by far. I'd still prefer a shaft drive, though. Gil M. Nissley wrote: > > > It is belt driven. > > Eh?The only belt drive Japanese bike I know of is the LTD454(not > sure about the EN500). Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 13:27:35 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA16963; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14154 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1d.yahoomail.com (known send1d.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.48]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA21728 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980714172105.11176.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1d; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:21:05 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:21:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Subject: Fwd: Saturday To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---"Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" wrote: > > OK, what do you think about this. Out US 50 to Capon Bridge where we turn > right onto unmarked road (I've been on it with Brian and its pretty good). > Cross over WV 29 and then either work our way north to Cumberland or head > towards Paw Paw and work back or head further west towards Keyser/Deep Creek > Lake depending on time. > > Glenn > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 13:43:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17146; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14428 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.anent.com (known netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22261 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NortonB.mediasoft.net ([208.195.115.65] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA00017; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:44:04 -0400 Message-ID: <02ae01bdaf4e$a41fcfa0$4173c3d0@NortonB.mediasoft.net> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC-Cycles" , "Craig" Subject: Re: Saturday Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:41:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sounds good to me! Bruce -> >---"Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" wrote: >> >> OK, what do you think about this. Out US 50 to Capon Bridge where >we turn >> right onto unmarked road (I've been on it with Brian and its pretty >good). >> Cross over WV 29 and then either work our way north to Cumberland or >head >> towards Paw Paw and work back or head further west towards >Keyser/Deep Creek >> Lake depending on time. >> >> Glenn >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 13:52:37 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA17207; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA14601 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA22557 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 276; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:52:04 -0400 Message-ID: <35AB9AC1.14DF81A9@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:52:01 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List , COG , LDRiders Subject: Re: Ride to Work Day References: <033f01bdaed4$473fb860$d897accf@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some guy on a bike wrote: > > Hey everybody! > > July 15th is the date of the 7th annual RIDE TO WORK DAY. Please > ride your bike to work to demonstrate A ride to work *DAY*??? Why not just ride to work, period? Then you might get somebody's attention. Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here who think I am normal! - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 9850 miles, 3.5 months 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 14:00:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA17322; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14766 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22821 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807141800.OAA22821@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id ACAE24A030C; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:00:14 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:03:40 -0400 To: DC Cycles List From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Ride to Work Day In-Reply-To: <35AB9AC1.14DF81A9@tidalwave.net> References: <033f01bdaed4$473fb860$d897accf@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> July 15th is the date of the 7th annual RIDE TO WORK DAY. Please >> ride your bike to work to demonstrate > >A ride to work *DAY*??? Why not just ride to work, period? >Then you might get somebody's attention. >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 15:00:34 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18286; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15593 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:00:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (known imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA24977 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:00:11 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WLFWa26053; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7986dba8.35abaa94@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:59:30 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: POCONO RACES --- DETAILS Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 ok, here it is. So far, the plan is for a Sat morning ride up there, coming back sunday night. you can also check this out in the July 98 issue of Motorcyclist magazine. thats where Im getting all my info from. Sean G. Petr 98 TLR Pocono Cycle Festival August 28-30, 1998 Pocono International Raceway, Pocono, Pennsylvania Weekend Super Ticket (ncludes Paddock Pass and Camping) Advance - $35 Save - $10 Sunday Super Ticket (includes Paddock Pass) Advance - $25 Save - $5 Ticket Info: Orders Must be received two weeks prior to event (allow ten days for delivery) All Checks must be in US dollars on a US bank(duh) Kids 12 and unders are free with a paid adult Races run rain or shine All sales are final. No refunds. Spectator tickets are valid for spectator areas only. Crew passes must be purchased at the event. How to order: Toll Free: 1-800-939-9372 Fax: 1-530-582-0456 FUSA Ltd. P.O. Box 114 Truckee, CA 96160 Things to do: Attend a Riding school !! The school is compliments of Suzuki, However, you can participate in this school with any brand of motorcycle. Call the Suzuki School at (909) 245-6414. Take a lap of the RaceTrack !! Buy your tickets in advance an you'll get a free EBC Parade Lap Pass. You can also visit your local motorcycle dealer and request a parade lap pass. Participants must have a valid mc license, registered streetbike, and street riding aparrel. Parade lap is at noon on Sunday. Camping !! Overnight camping is available at Pocono at no cost for those ordering advance tickets., Otherwise, the cost is $10 per vehicle for the entire weekend. Vendors and Displays !! New motorcycles, accesories, souveniers, mini-motos, bicycles amd much more. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 15:45:30 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA18940; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16702 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.amsinc.com (known relay1.amsinc.com [162.70.103.24]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA26437 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:45:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas_Brashear@XXXXXX Received: from ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com (ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com [162.70.34.52]) by relay1.amsinc.com (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id PAA18489 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 85256641.006C85F0 ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:45:21 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMSINC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256641.006CA12F.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:46:57 -0400 Subject: FWD: MOTORCYCLE FOR SALE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline don't respond to me... ---------------------- Forwarded by Douglas Brashear/AMS/AMSINC on 07/14/98 03:38 PM --------------------------- Bulletin Board: #The Exchange From: Security-Centerpointe Date: 07/14/98 10:32:11 AM Subject: MOTORCYCLE FOR SALE 1995 BLACK HONDA VLX 600 Excellent Condition Very low miles One owner No work needed MUST SELL Asking price $ 4000.00 For contact ask for Colette at 678491 or pager 703 429-3094 LMEF 3.1 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 17:18:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20299; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA19185 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA29939 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:17:51 -0400 (EDT) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WKYSa13456 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:17:08 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: TL paint job color suggestions? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 In a message dated 98-07-14 08:30:05 EDT, you write: << >Good luck getting the decals for $40.00 , I have already priced them >and $40 will get you squat....The 2 tank decals and thats about it... >> Hmm.....I was wondering, would it be impossible to actually either make your own decals or even paint it on? Would be kinda neat to make the TL logo whatever you want it to be. Jack From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 18:41:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA21393; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA20603 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA03345 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA02302; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:41:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: Don Burger cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Leaking F3 In-Reply-To: <19980713193340.29556.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE I suggest Cycles USA in Silver Spring... they have taken VERY good care of me and my friend... It is also where I got my F3.. -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Don Burger wrote: > This is the second time I sent this, the first appears to be lost in=20 > electronic limbo. =20 >=20 > I=92m looking for some advise on the dealers up around Laurel, Maryland. = =20 > My 96 F3 (7500 miles) is leaking from the rear of the engine case where= =20 > it bolts together ( by the upper not the lower split), I want to bring= =20 > to the dealer to get if fixed under the extended warrantee. My only=20 > problem is that I have no clue as to what dealers around Laurel, MD have= =20 > mechanics worth a damn. I don=92t want to take it someplace and end up= =20 > with more problems than when I started. If anyone could offer me any=20 > advise on a shop I would be grateful.=20 >=20 > Thanks > Don B > 96 - F3 "Leaky" =20 >=20 >=20 > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >=20 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 18:42:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA21402; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA20613 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (known pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02919 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr3-dialup5.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0EW3006A5VRO5C@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:28:38 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:26:52 -0700 From: "Jon S." Subject: Re: Sat ride already.. come on guys (and gals) To: "'dc'" Message-id: <01e701bdaf8f$a600db20$854337a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Count me in for Sat. ride, I haven't been "shredding" in a while. After seeing Colin shred on Sun., I can't help but be inspired to ride harder. ================================== Jon Schumer dawn.jon@XXXXXX ICQ#11193913 ================================== -----Original Message----- From: McCoy, Brian P HQ02 To: 'dc' Date: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 8:45 AM Subject: Sat ride already.. come on guys (and gals) >Glenn's interested.. I NEED to get out... you all have been ripping and >shreading all summer without me, and now there's nothing being planned >for this weekend? Lets get it together folx.. sheesh.. all I need to >know is where to be and when to be there.. >Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM >US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 >Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 18:42:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA21404; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA20615 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02905 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA15312; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:27:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv1-14.ix.netcom.com(205.184.22.46) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma015290; Tue Jul 14 17:27:46 1998 Message-ID: <35AC05F2.3E69@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:29:22 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: BMW that's actually kind of cool References: <35abdc03.11378420@mailgate.nova.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirk Roy wrote: > > Check out a quickie look at a new BMW: > http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcbmw/r11s.html > > Underseat exhaust allows the single sided rear wheel to flap naked in > the breeze. Now, if only they'd make wheels that look nice... > > It looks to have clip-ons mounted below the triples. I don't know that > I could get used to having the cylinders/heads sticking out on the > sides like that (and there's that shaft drive thing) but BMW is > getting closer to building a bike that could make it on my list of > desireables... > > Kirk Shoot, I thought it was way cool, but then I ama Sportster fanatic ;). Im curious to see what they sell it at though. I am still dissapointed they dropped the R850 from the line.... -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 19:17:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA22193; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA21017 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:17:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fellspt.charm.net (known fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA04942 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (falcor@localhost) by fellspt.charm.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA04831; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:14:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Artes To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" cc: "'Todd Peer'" , "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Sat ride already.. come on guys (and gals) In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84D825498@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I will join too for a Sunday ride... just tell me where I have to be... and when -Frank n -- falcor@XXXXXX Francisco S. Artes, CNE On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > Sunday sounds good to me! I've got a company party on Saturday... : ) > I'd like to be done by around 4 or so, though... > > - J > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 11:47 AM > > To: McCoy, Brian P HQ02 > > Cc: 'dc' > > Subject: Re: Sat ride already.. come on guys (and gals) > > > > > > I'm up for Sunday.....Oh yeah, I'm back on the list. > > > > Saturday, no-can-do. If anyone is up for a Sunday jaunt/romp/stomp, > > I'm in! > > > > Todd > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 14 20:40:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA22792; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA24039 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA06490 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.37]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:37:10 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , "'O'Brien, Jeannette'" , "'JOE NAGY'" , , Subject: RE: dc-cycles as a club? -Reply Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:38:14 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01bdaf88$d9d6fbc0$2580e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <01BDAF1E.701EFA80.zellto@mindspring.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > Someone take the Buell outta the logo... My VFR is up for > modeling if anyone wants to use it! :-) While everybody seems to be trying to make the VF/VFR the