From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 00:04:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA14670; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA20611 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:03:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (known cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id AAA25917 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id AAA12897; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:01:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:01:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ARRRGH In-Reply-To: <35995981.6E175C2B@geocities.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII have you tried a locksmith? On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > Ya know, I don't know why I fool myself. > Called coleman's up today figuring I'll give em another chance for me to > spend a little money locally. > "Sure we can make a key for your bike just bring in the ignition and > we'll fix you right up. It'll cost you $15" > > Cool, methinks...not as bad as I thought it would be from a shop. So I > truck down there this afternoon. > After the guy spins the ignition in his hands for nearly ten minutes > scratching his head: > "Yeah, I can make one, but it'll take a lot of time. $63" > > Sorry pal, I'll go ahead and hack the wires and go through the pain of > bypassing the anti theft device or I'll just go to another dealer who's > upfront about things. > > It's not the cost that bugs me, it's the fact that they tell you one > thing then it changes when you get there. That's twice now that this > has happened with this shop. No more. I'll drive just a little further > out to Herndon... > Sucks for them too, cause I was planning on buying quite a few high > profit type items while i waited for the key...Sorry mr coleman > > Collin > > -- > _________________________________________ > Collin and Penny Fagan > LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard > (202) 366-0067 (work) > (703) 356-4279 (home) > ICQ UIN: 435732 > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ > (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 01:15:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA15477; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA21400 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (known imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA26968 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:14:46 -0400 (EDT) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id ECZRa27851; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <481b4695.3599c534@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 01:12:19 EDT To: swaters@XXXXXX Cc: horkster@XXXXXX, ph@XXXXXX, aki.damme@XXXXXX, pellaz@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Helmet safety issue Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Ok, here are the stats as from the MSHA, Office of Traffic and Safety, and Traffic safety division. Overall Accident Rate: (Includes: Non-injury, injury, and fatality accidents) 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 Accidents 2010 1693 1714 1752 1417 985 1118 989 889 pending Deaths 61 46 46 53 55 45 30 27 26 Death Rate .303 .0271 .0268 .0302 .0388 .0456 .0268 .0273 .0292 Overall Accident Rate Summary: 1985-91 Helmet Law 1992-96 Total Accidents 15502 Adopted in 5398 Total Deaths 427 1992 183 Death Rate .0275 .0339 Injury Accident Rate: (Includes: Injury and Fatality Accidents) 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 Accidents 1559 1386 1363 1431 1130 782 906 800 695 pending Deaths 61 46 46 53 55 45 30 27 26 Death Rate .0391 .0331 .0331 .0370 .0486 .0575 .0331 .0337 .0374 Injury Accident Rate Summary: 1988-91 Helmet Law 1992-96 Total Injury Accidents 12385 Adopted in 4583 Total Deaths 427 1992 183 Death Rate .0334 .0399 -----END----- This report is from 1985 to 1996, but for format purposes, I just gave 88 and up. I hope this gives a little insight to everyone. Let me know if you have any questions. Sean G. Petr 98 TL-R From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 07:11:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17761; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23472 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00571 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:10:17 -0400 (EDT) From: sbeck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256634.003DBCB3 ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:14:20 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256634.003D599D.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:14:16 -0400 Subject: Re: ARRRGH Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Collin there is a very good locksmith only 1 block away from Colemans. Just continue up Hillside through the traffic light on your right. They are called Allied Safe and Lock. I have always been able to get things doen with them whenever Colemans drops the ball (which is always of course). Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 07:26:38 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17822; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23553 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00697 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:25:57 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA03055 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807011128.HAA03055@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Where can I check VIN To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text I found a nice bike I can consider as replacement. I have VIN number; where can I check if the bike is OK ? Anyone knows a WWW page for this purpose, or should I ask friendly bike shop to check this VIN for me ? (Bike is a nice, clean Honda CB 350 - this time I won't be tempted to ride fast :-) _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 07:26:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17827; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23557 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00704 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) id ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:25:32 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Adventure World Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:26:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) Content-Type: text/plain How about flying? Roger that inner-ear disorder stuff. Mine means that I shamelessly do the Scooby Doo on my best day at King's Dominion -- anything more than that and I have to treat those in the immediate area to a little Ralph hospitality -- I always aim for the people who CAN ride roller coasters, damn it. We'll put together a not-interested-in-a-miserable-day-puking group (composed mainly of the defective mutant brigade, like me) that definitely will not do the more "technical" rides. The group pledges to meet the coaster-enabled folks with gooey, cheesy chili dogs after their coaster experience. Tom M. > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 3:28 PM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: RE: Adventure World > > I've got a couple kids but I would go to different rides than the other > adults would likely go to. Shoot, I can't even ride roller coasters, > spinning rides, or anything that moves my head around too much. Inner ear > disorders suck. Vertigo is something I do not enjoy... Weird thing is, > motorcycles don't induce it for me. > > Kirk > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 07:34:39 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17872; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23644 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00767 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA05157 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:33:54 -0700 Message-Id: <199807011133.AA05157@portal.visa.com> Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:33:54 -0700 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: PattonJ@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Columbia Gate Way, July 12 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:35:00 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Jim - put me down as a marshal and hook me up with Mike, please for the particulars (such as where is it) To the DC-Cycles group: here's something different for a Saturday out inna fresh air. Michael J -----Original Message----- From: Jim Patton [mailto:PattonJ@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 17:33 To: A whold bunch of people Subject: Columbia Gate Way, July 12 We are still looking for a couple of motor marshals for July 12. Day will go from 07:00 until late afternoon. You get $35 to cover your expenses. The Chief is still looking for another judge. So, if you are a licensed official and want to get some finish line experience, here is your chance. Let Mike and I know if you are interested in either position. Jim Patton From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 07:38:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17886; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23661 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news1.radix.net (known news1.radix.net [209.48.224.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00817 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [209.48.224.40]) by news1.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA13765; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (dreamer@localhost) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA19908; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:37:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Dawn Gibson To: "Mersch, Tom" cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Adventure World In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Mersch, Tom wrote: > We'll put together a not-interested-in-a-miserable-day-puking group > (composed mainly of the defective mutant brigade, like me) that definitely > will not do the more "technical" rides. The group pledges to meet the > coaster-enabled folks with gooey, cheesy chili dogs after their coaster > experience. EEoooooowwwww!! I'm getting a chuckle out of this thread actually because it looks like most of the folks who enjoy scraping real estate off of their motorcycles and breaking the sound barrier end up puking their guts out on coasters Is this poetic justice or what? I love it! Dawn *====================================================================* from the mist and shadows, like a memory of things to come.... to wander the paths of moonlight on water, in search of honesty, empathy, beaches at sunrise, mountains under stars and eyes to laugh back at mine... *====================================================================* Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX *====================================================================* From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 07:41:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17898; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23702 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00867 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA05470 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:41:04 -0700 Message-Id: <199807011141.AA05470@portal.visa.com> Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:41:04 -0700 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Adventure World Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:42:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >The group pledges to meet the coaster-enabled folks with gooey, >cheesy chili dogs after their coaster experience. Better yet, the gooey, cheesy chili dogs DURING the experience (with a drink in the other hand) Michael (I LOVE roller coasters) J. But if you've EVER had ride in a fully aerobatic airplane... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 07:43:49 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17908; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23735 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00890 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA05588 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:43:08 -0700 Message-Id: <199807011143.AA05588@portal.visa.com> Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:43:08 -0700 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Where can I check VIN Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:44:14 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >Bike is a nice, clean Honda CB 350 Where did you find that?!?!?!? >this time I won't be tempted to ride fast :-) With all due respect, sir, Bullshit Michael (you ride what ya got) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 07:44:06 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17913; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23739 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00898 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:43:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) id ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:42:54 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Adventure World Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:43:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) Content-Type: text/plain Now that we've scraped pegs, what are we gonna do? Go to Disney World! Sing it with me: M I C, K E Y, B I T C H >:-( (Okay, I'm just kidding, but I do have an especially gooey CCD with your name on it ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Dawn Gibson [SMTP:dreamer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 7:38 AM > To: Mersch, Tom > Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: RE: Adventure World > > On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Mersch, Tom wrote: > > > We'll put together a not-interested-in-a-miserable-day-puking group > > (composed mainly of the defective mutant brigade, like me) that > definitely > > will not do the more "technical" rides. The group pledges to meet the > > coaster-enabled folks with gooey, cheesy chili dogs after their coaster > > experience. > > > EEoooooowwwww!! I'm getting a chuckle out of this thread actually because > it looks like most of the folks who enjoy scraping real estate off of > their motorcycles and breaking the sound barrier end up puking their guts > out on coasters > > Is this poetic justice or what? I love it! > > Dawn > > *====================================================================* > from the mist and shadows, like a memory of things to come.... > to wander the paths of moonlight on water, in search of honesty, > empathy, beaches at sunrise, mountains under stars and eyes > to laugh back at mine... > *====================================================================* > Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX > *====================================================================* > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 07:46:12 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA17933; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA23764 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA00925 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA05714 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:45:24 -0700 Message-Id: <199807011145.AA05714@portal.visa.com> Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:45:24 -0700 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Adventure World Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:46:30 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >EEoooooowwwww!! I'm getting a chuckle out of this thread actually because >it looks like most of the folks who enjoy scraping real estate off of >their motorcycles and breaking the sound barrier end up puking their guts >out on coasters Dawn, I guess that I'm the exception that proves the rule Michael (desifinado) J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 08:22:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18145; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24646 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hermes.crosslink.net (known hermes.crosslink.net [206.246.124.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01447 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7284 invoked from network); 1 Jul 1998 12:20:24 -0000 Received: from external-modem-3-222.loudoun.com (HELO lcsa3.loudoun.com) (208.232.171.222) by hermes.crosslink.net with SMTP; 1 Jul 1998 12:20:24 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01bda4ea$e01de500$1606030a@lcsa3.loudoun.com> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: Adventure World Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:21:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 It's strange, I can ride any ride...except the virtual reality. You know, the ones with the movies...then I'm puking my guts out. P.S. I can't play DOOM without puking either! -----Original Message----- From: Dawn Gibson To: Mersch, Tom Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Date: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 7:48 AM Subject: RE: Adventure World >On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Mersch, Tom wrote: > >> We'll put together a not-interested-in-a-miserable-day-puking group >> (composed mainly of the defective mutant brigade, like me) that definitely >> will not do the more "technical" rides. The group pledges to meet the >> coaster-enabled folks with gooey, cheesy chili dogs after their coaster >> experience. > > >EEoooooowwwww!! I'm getting a chuckle out of this thread actually because >it looks like most of the folks who enjoy scraping real estate off of >their motorcycles and breaking the sound barrier end up puking their guts >out on coasters > >Is this poetic justice or what? I love it! > >Dawn > >*====================================================================* > from the mist and shadows, like a memory of things to come.... > to wander the paths of moonlight on water, in search of honesty, > empathy, beaches at sunrise, mountains under stars and eyes > to laugh back at mine... >*====================================================================* > Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX >*====================================================================* From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 08:25:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18159; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24659 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (known suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com [149.52.55.130]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01482 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:23:10 -0400 (EDT) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA03135; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807011223.IAA03135@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Adventure World To: dreamer@XXXXXX (Dawn Gibson) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Cc: merscht@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: from "Dawn Gibson" at Jul 1, 98 07:37:52 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Mersch, Tom wrote: > > > We'll put together a not-interested-in-a-miserable-day-puking group > > (composed mainly of the defective mutant brigade, like me) that definitely > > will not do the more "technical" rides. The group pledges to meet the > > coaster-enabled folks with gooey, cheesy chili dogs after their coaster > > experience. > > > EEoooooowwwww!! I'm getting a chuckle out of this thread actually because > it looks like most of the folks who enjoy scraping real estate off of > their motorcycles and breaking the sound barrier end up puking their guts > out on coasters > > Is this poetic justice or what? I love it! > right. I will join it, so you will have 4 more miserable puking bodies in a olvov... > Dawn > _zjt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 08:34:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18268; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24741 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01625 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA11813 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3BRPCGA7>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:32:49 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F280E@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Adventure World Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:32:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Yummy yummy...load my chile dog up with the works!!! It's pretty sad though, I can do the roller coasters, I can even dig the aerobatic planes, but would you believe I get seasick on anything over 30 ft long!!?!!? And I'm in the Coast Guard he he he Well, that funky Octopus ride also does me in, but the rest of em are great! My inlaws are moving down this way starting tomorrow, so we'll now have a cheap babysitter. Hmmm...and we've been planning on going to adventure world for a while anyway... How bout this: Since I'm still street bike challenged, Pen and I will cage it down there, and everyone can throw leathers, helmets, tank bags, etc. into the cab of the truck where we can cover em with a blanket and lock em up safe. Maybe we could even bring a few coolers worth of drinks and food in the back, and have a tailgate BBQ before going into the park!! Collin From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 08:41:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18311; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24829 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01722 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA12122; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3BRPCGA9>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:41:00 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F280F@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Gary Foreman'" , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Adventure World Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:40:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain ooooh Yuuuk...I must concur. ANY of those full scrolling games will have me worshiping the porcelein god in a heartbeat. Took me a long time to figure it out though... I'd watch my brother-in-law playing the game from about 5 ft back for hours...I tried to play it..got nautious..thought it was the food I had just eaten...repeat process a couple of times.... uugh..it must be this damn game! Then I read an article saying that 5% of the people that try these kind of games have the same reaction... Oh well, guess I'll just have to stick with Subspace!! :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Foreman [SMTP:gforeman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 8:30 AM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Re: Adventure World > > It's strange, I can ride any ride...except the virtual reality. You know, > the ones with the movies...then I'm puking my guts out. > > P.S. I can't play DOOM without puking either! > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 08:42:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18327; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24856 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01750 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807011242.IAA01750@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AEC4690696; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 08:42:44 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 08:08:57 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: ARRRGH In-Reply-To: <35995981.6E175C2B@geocities.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:32 PM 6/30/98 -0400, Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: >Ya know, I don't know why I fool myself. >Called coleman's up today figuring I'll give em another chance for me to >spend a little money locally. >"Sure we can make a key for your bike just bring in the ignition and >we'll fix you right up. It'll cost you $15" ... >"Yeah, I can make one, but it'll take a lot of time. $63" Lousy. Did you get the guy's name and complain to the manager? I suppose he might not care but it's worth a try. The same thing happened to me - I called Coleman's looking for a particular brand of something. I got the guy's name who said they had it. I drove 45 min. (one way) to get there, and he showed me a different brand product. He was mystified why I was mad, even when I pointed out to him that he lied to me. And no, I didn't complain to the management like I should have. I was so mad I just walked out. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 08:42:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA18331; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA24859 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA01754 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807011242.IAA01754@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id AEC5690696; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 08:42:45 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 08:25:44 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Helmet safety issue In-Reply-To: <481b4695.3599c534@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:12 AM 7/1/98 -0400, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: >Ok, here are the stats as from the MSHA, Office of Traffic and Safety, and >Traffic safety division. Is this the exact form in which they were released by the State of Maryland? >Overall Accident Rate: Rate? What rate? Accidents per mile, accidents per 10,000 vehicles, accidents per 10,000 residents? >Overall Accident Rate Summary: > 1985-91 Helmet Law 1992-96 >Total Accidents 15502 Adopted in 5398 >Total Deaths 427 1992 183 Comparing 6 years of accidents (1985-91) to 5 years of accidents(1992-96)? That's lousy statistics or someone is trying to use statistics to lie. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 09:05:32 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18513; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25655 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02097 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) id ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:03:58 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: ARRRGH Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:04:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) Content-Type: text/plain This reminds me of my days working at retail stores for college tuition. More specifically, it reminds me of the magnificently unsavory, obviously bad management ideas I encountered. At one particular outfit, the only source of information we worker bees had for answering stock questions was a printout that could be 90 days out of date. "Management" policy was: look up the item in the printout -- if it says we have it, tell them we have it; if it says we don't have it, tell them you don't have the information and to come in to the store to find out. The idea was, the company doesn't pay worker bees to spend the time necessary to give good information, and the customer will probably buy something else anyway. I got another job quickly. The company was a small-time POS back then (almost 20 years ago), and they still are a small-time POS. Go figure. Tom M. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 8:09 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: ARRRGH > > At 05:32 PM 6/30/98 -0400, Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > >Ya know, I don't know why I fool myself. > >Called coleman's up today figuring I'll give em another chance for me to > >spend a little money locally. > >"Sure we can make a key for your bike just bring in the ignition and > >we'll fix you right up. It'll cost you $15" > ... > >"Yeah, I can make one, but it'll take a lot of time. $63" > > > > The same thing happened to me - I called Coleman's looking for a particula > brand of something. I got the guy's name who said they had it. I drove 45 > min. (one way) to get there, and he showed me a different brand product. > He was mystified why I was mad, even when I pointed out to him that he lied > to me. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 09:06:28 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18530; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25662 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known [206.213.111.115] [206.213.111.115]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02130 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id GAA28521; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 06:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com by viruswall.entp.attws.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id GAA17557; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 06:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA19942; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 06:05:08 -0700 Received: from hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com by nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com (8.6.12/McCaw V8 version 1) id GAA19937; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 06:05:06 -0700 Received: by hq-msg01.nwest.mccaw.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62) id <01BDA4B6.316EA5A0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 06:05:05 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Viteri, Ursulina" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: ARRRGH Key problem Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 05:59:36 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.62 Ugh, locksmiths are EXPENSIVE! When the key to my bike broke off in the ignition, I called a locksmith and was charged $90 to remove the key, make a new one and one spare. That was highway robbery in under 30 minutes. - Ursulina Kaw 454 LTD >-----Original Message----- >From: Garcia Oliver [SMTP:garicao@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 9:01 PM >To: Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: ARRRGH > >have you tried a locksmith? > >On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > >> Ya know, I don't know why I fool myself. >> Called coleman's up today figuring I'll give em another chance for me to >> spend a little money locally. >> "Sure we can make a key for your bike just bring in the ignition and >> we'll fix you right up. It'll cost you $15" >> >> Cool, methinks...not as bad as I thought it would be from a shop. So I >> truck down there this afternoon. >> After the guy spins the ignition in his hands for nearly ten minutes >> scratching his head: >> "Yeah, I can make one, but it'll take a lot of time. $63" >> >> Sorry pal, I'll go ahead and hack the wires and go through the pain of >> bypassing the anti theft device or I'll just go to another dealer who's >> upfront about things. >> >> It's not the cost that bugs me, it's the fact that they tell you one >> thing then it changes when you get there. That's twice now that this >> has happened with this shop. No more. I'll drive just a little further >> out to Herndon... >> Sucks for them too, cause I was planning on buying quite a few high >> profit type items while i waited for the key...Sorry mr coleman >> >> Collin >> >> -- >> _________________________________________ >> Collin and Penny Fagan >> LTjg, U.S. Coast Guard >> (202) 366-0067 (work) >> (703) 356-4279 (home) >> ICQ UIN: 435732 >> http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ >> (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) >> From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 09:07:29 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA18583; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA25670 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA02194 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:07:12 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DC7@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Waldorf MC inspection.. Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:05:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Anyone know ehre this is? Good's Exxon in Waldorf (near the Nissan dealer and Friendly's). It's the one talked about for a rather, errr.., simple inspection back in March or so.. If noone knows of it, or rather I don't hear of it by about noon, I'm just going to bite the bullet and go to Clinton Cycles.. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 09:58:16 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19156; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26815 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03558 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A06899F02BC; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 09:58:03 EDT Message-Id: X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:00:23 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Motorcyclist Shooting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Words fail me. http://www.gatewayva.com/rtd/dailynews/virginia/motor30.htm Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 09:59:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA19167; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:59:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA26829 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA03577 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA17729 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:58:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Adventure World In-Reply-To: <199807011223.IAA03135@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 1 Jul 1998 zbig@XXXXXX wrote: > EEoooooowwwww!! I'm getting a chuckle out of this thread actually because > it looks like most of the folks who enjoy scraping real estate off of > their motorcycles and breaking the sound barrier end up puking their guts > out on coasters > > Is this poetic justice or what? I love it! Er, actually, I like nothing more than to take a leisurely cruise through the mountains. I can't remember the last time I actually touched any parts down on my bike (and it's not even a sportbike). You must be lumping me in with those go fast guys I always hear about (and see nasty pictures of after they learn the laws of gravity). Kirk "Highway Angel" Roy 88 Honda Hawk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 10:01:11 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19197; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26879 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03618 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 124 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:00:18 -0400 Message-ID: <359A40FD.213FF2A5@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:00:29 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" References: <359bd003.76386300@relay.mnsinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anita Lauro wrote: > > The good news is that the valves are done at 500 miles and not again > until 6000. Let's see, that worked out to one week, and then again 2 months later. That's not really good news if you ride a lot and wanna pay someone to check everything for you. Why can't bikes be set up like that NorthStar system, with no scheduled maintenance until 100,000 miles? Then I'd only have to pull bodywork off every couple of years or so! :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 10:05:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19236; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26933 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03698 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA17842 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:04:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" In-Reply-To: <359A40FD.213FF2A5@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Dale Horstman wrote: > Why can't bikes be set up like that NorthStar system, with no scheduled > maintenance until 100,000 miles? Then I'd only have to pull bodywork > off every couple of years or so! :) Excellent! I'd like to offer you a good price on the woodrow wilson bridge! Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 10:06:33 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19248; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA26963 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.netsus.com (known blue.vais.net [207.98.180.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA03755 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17190 invoked from network); 1 Jul 1998 14:06:15 -0000 Received: from 178-227.vais.net (HELO vais.net) (207.98.178.227) by blue.vais.net with SMTP; 1 Jul 1998 14:06:15 -0000 Message-ID: <359A423D.CB67C5F@vais.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:05:49 -0400 From: Tom Gallo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Waldorf MC inspection.. References: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DC7@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is on the north-bound side of 301/5 in Waldorf. If you are coming from the beltway, it is exit 7 (route 5 south). Drive south into Waldorf, once you enter Waldorf, look on the right side of the road for American Hardware, followed by Bell-Atlantic Mobile. Get into the left lane and make a U-turn in front of the McDonald's. After the U-turn you will be headed north on 301/5 and Good's Exxon is just past the Nissan dealer on the right. If you see Circuit City you went about 1/2 mile too far, just make a U-turn and head north, you can't miss it!! Tom GSXR-750 McCoy, Brian P HQ02 wrote: > Anyone know ehre this is? > > Good's Exxon in Waldorf (near > the Nissan dealer and Friendly's). > > It's the one talked about for a rather, errr.., simple inspection back > in March or so.. If noone knows of it, or rather I don't hear of it by > about noon, I'm just going to bite the bullet and go to Clinton Cycles.. > Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM > US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 > Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 10:31:55 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA19678; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27319 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA04668 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:31:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807011431.KAA04668@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A84E4D60384; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:31:45 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:33:58 -0400 To: DC-Cycles Mailing List From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" In-Reply-To: References: <359A40FD.213FF2A5@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> Why can't bikes be set up like that NorthStar system, with no scheduled >> maintenance until 100,000 miles? Then I'd only have to pull bodywork >> off every couple of years or so! :) > >Excellent! I'd like to offer you a good price on the woodrow wilson >bridge! > >Kirk But seriously, why not? So many bikes require massive periodic maintenance compared to cars. Check and/or adjust valves every 5,000 miles being a great example. Would anybody buy a car that HAD to go into the shop two to three times a year for ROUTINE maintenance? Incredible. I know there's some bikes out there that are better (Pacific Coasts and GoldWings have hydraulic valves - no adjustment, what a concept!). frustrated, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 10:43:08 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA20880; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27491 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05054 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA18544 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:42:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" In-Reply-To: <199807011431.KAA04668@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Chris Norloff wrote: > >> Why can't bikes be set up like that NorthStar system, with no scheduled > >> maintenance until 100,000 miles? Then I'd only have to pull bodywork > >> off every couple of years or so! :) > > > >Excellent! I'd like to offer you a good price on the woodrow wilson > >bridge! > > But seriously, why not? So many bikes require massive periodic maintenance > compared to cars. Yes, but I wasn't attacking the concept that bikes ought to be designed with less frequent maintenance. I was simply attacking the concept that the 100k mile service cars require significantly less maintenance than your average car. Certainly, if you drive anything like I drive (rough, to say the least) you'd better do your service significantly more frequently than every 100k miles. It's just another marketing ploy, as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't expect to see much less frequent maintenance intervals for sport bikes any time soon, if at all. Touring bikes, OTOH, really ought to require infrequent maintenance. Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 10:55:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22413; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27648 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05752 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.50]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:51:44 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Chris Norloff" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:52:52 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bda4ff$eca69dc0$3280e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199807011431.KAA04668@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > But seriously, why not? So many bikes require massive periodic > maintenance > compared to cars. Check and/or adjust valves every 5,000 miles being a > great example. Would anybody buy a car that HAD to go into the > shop two to > three times a year for ROUTINE maintenance? Incredible. Used to be that way in the past. Before I was born, that is:) It was either Lexus or Infinity had a car a few years back that required valve check/adjust every 10,000 miles. Not sure how many owners paid attention to that. Technically, most cars require work every 3000 miles: an oil change. If it weren't for places like Jiffy Lube, I doubt many cars would even get that done. > I know there's some bikes out there that are better (Pacific Coasts and > GoldWings have hydraulic valves - no adjustment, what a concept!). On real Wings, you have to adjust the valves:) Also in the no adjustment corner: HDs, CB750s. Anybody have any more to add? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 10:55:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22417; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27654 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:54:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05759 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA18145; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:54:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3BRPCGCM>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:55:12 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F2818@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'Kirk Roy'" , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:55:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >From memory, my 93 required valve adjust at 7k, 11k, and every 4k after that... Looking at a newer bikes manual a while back, I noticed that their first check was at 11k and a fairly large interval after that. Moot point on my race bike. The valves will get checked at least twice a season, if not more. > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 10:51 AM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" > > > I wouldn't expect to see much less frequent maintenance intervals for > sport bikes any time soon, if at all. Touring bikes, OTOH, really ought to > require infrequent maintenance. > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 10:56:57 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA22629; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA27669 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (known [208.141.52.245] [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA05843 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:56:16 -0400 (EDT) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA17506; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:57:45 -0400 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma017392; Wed, 1 Jul 98 10:57:31 -0400 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-9 #U3018) id <0EVF0020183FAM@XXXXXX>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com ([10.9.16.181]) by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-9 #U3018) with SMTP id <0EVF00K2B83EOC@XXXXXX>; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Internal build - SMTP TEAM v1.2 hotfix3 (660.3 6-25-1998)) id 85256634.0051F6E4 ; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:55:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:54:57 -0400 Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" To: Chris Norloff Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <85256634.0051FB14.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL What's the cause of increased valve adjust intervals anyhoo? I assumed it was the fact that most bikes regularly run at double the RPM of the average car. Or, is it just bike manufacturers' laziness in not making a superior quality product? In other words ... _can_ they make bikes that perform just as well and are just as reliable that have, say 30k valve adjust intervals? --chris To: DC-Cycles Mailing List cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: Chris Norloff Date: 07/01/98 02:33:58 PM GMT Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" >> Why can't bikes be set up like that NorthStar system, with no scheduled >> maintenance until 100,000 miles? Then I'd only have to pull bodywork >> off every couple of years or so! :) > >Excellent! I'd like to offer you a good price on the woodrow wilson >bridge! > >Kirk But seriously, why not? So many bikes require massive periodic maintenance compared to cars. Check and/or adjust valves every 5,000 miles being a great example. Would anybody buy a car that HAD to go into the shop two to three times a year for ROUTINE maintenance? Incredible. I know there's some bikes out there that are better (Pacific Coasts and GoldWings have hydraulic valves - no adjustment, what a concept!). frustrated, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 11:43:36 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA24028; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28224 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hermes.crosslink.net (known hermes.crosslink.net [206.246.124.33]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA07233 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18468 invoked from network); 1 Jul 1998 15:42:48 -0000 Received: from external-modem-3-222.loudoun.com (HELO lcsa3.loudoun.com) (208.232.171.222) by hermes.crosslink.net with SMTP; 1 Jul 1998 15:42:48 -0000 Message-ID: <010101bda507$275e7da0$1606030a@lcsa3.loudoun.com> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:44:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 >From now on, let's refer to "Scheduled Maintenance" at a dealership as "Conjugal Visit" (sp?) since we all know what your going to get in either case. -----Original Message----- From: Fagan, Collin LTJG To: 'Kirk Roy' ; DC-Cycles Mailing List Date: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 11:06 AM Subject: RE: "Scheduled Maintenance" >>From memory, my 93 required valve adjust at 7k, 11k, and every 4k after >that... > >Looking at a newer bikes manual a while back, I noticed that their first >check was at 11k and a fairly large interval after that. > >Moot point on my race bike. The valves will get checked at least twice a >season, if not more. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 10:51 AM >> To: DC-Cycles Mailing List >> Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" >> >> >> I wouldn't expect to see much less frequent maintenance intervals for >> sport bikes any time soon, if at all. Touring bikes, OTOH, really ought to >> require infrequent maintenance. >> >> Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 12:18:22 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA24618; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA28705 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08441 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-153.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.153]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA09973 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:19:39 -0400 Message-ID: <359A6101.CEA0A7C9@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 12:17:05 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Route 620 from 211 to US33 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I rode 620 this morning. It's paved from 796 south to US33. This is about 19 miles. To get around the gravel part of the road, stay on 211 into New Market and go south on US 11 for about 5 miles. Turn left on 796 for about 1 mile. Turn right on 620 and continue south to US33. 620 has very narrow pavement in some areas. The best scenery is on the gravel part of the road, the best pavement is in the construction area in the middle of the gravel part. There are about 4 miles of gravel if you stay on 620 for the whole trip. Leon. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 13:04:58 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25355; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29353 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:04:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10207 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:04:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA14338 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:04:13 -0700 Message-Id: <199807011704.AA14338@portal.visa.com> Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:04:13 -0700 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC Cycles List Subject: RE: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:05:18 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >Then I'd only have to pull bodywork off every couple of years or so! :) 'Nother advantage to nekkid bikes... All the parts are out where you can get to 'em Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 13:11:40 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25452; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29421 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10588 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.31]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 13:08:12 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "Kirk Roy" Subject: RE: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:09:21 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bda512$fd72de80$3280e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > Yes, but I wasn't attacking the concept that bikes ought to be designed > with less frequent maintenance. I was simply attacking the concept that > the 100k mile service cars require significantly less maintenance than > your average car. Certainly, if you drive anything like I drive (rough, to > say the least) you'd better do your service significantly more frequently > than every 100k miles. It's just another marketing ploy, as far as I'm > concerned. The trick is what that 100k service involves. That is a 100k spark plug replacement under certain driving conditions. Stop and go traffic requires either 50 or 60k replacement. With platinum plugs and fairly intricate engine management techniques, it's not hard to do. Fluid replacements (engine, tranny, radiator, power steering, brakes, etc.) are at traditional intervals. Hydraulic valves require no adjustments. Air filters are a replace as needed item. We haven't had to set ignition points in two decades. Like you say, the 100k service is a marketing ploy, but not because cars can't go that far between services. It's because there's not a whole lot of servicing that you go 100k between. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 13:11:41 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25455; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29424 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10595 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.31]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 13:08:13 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: , "Chris Norloff" Cc: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:09:23 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bda512$fe4570c0$3280e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <85256634.0051FB14.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > What's the cause of increased valve adjust intervals anyhoo? I assumed it > was the fact that most bikes regularly run at double the RPM of > the average > car. > > Or, is it just bike manufacturers' laziness in not making a superior > quality product? In other words ... _can_ they make bikes that perform > just as well and are just as reliable that have, say 30k valve adjust > intervals? Nature of solid lifters. They have to be adjusted. 99% of the cars out there have hydraulic lifters. In order to get higher revving engines, you generally need either a desmo setup, pneumatic setup, or solid lifters. Hydraulic lifters can't maintain their length under high speed or high lift situations. The variances in valve inspection intervals are due to a number of factors. Cam lift and duration being one. Engine RPM is another. Also factor in the adjustment mechanism (some resist changing better than others) and the metals used in the valves and seats that cause different wear patterns. Let's not forget that most of our bikes have power/displacement ratios that are closer to NASCAR, top fuel, Formula 1, etc. type vehicles rather than a Honda Civic. With such power comes certain tradeoffs. We scoff at Wings and PC 800's, but they are making not as much power/displacement. At the same time, their servicing is much less severe. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 13:11:44 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25462; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29433 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10606 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.31]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 13:08:15 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Gary Foreman" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:09:24 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bda512$ff599fe0$3280e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <010101bda507$275e7da0$1606030a@lcsa3.loudoun.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > From now on, let's refer to "Scheduled Maintenance" at a dealership as > "Conjugal Visit" (sp?) since we all know what your going to get in either > case. Rather than reopen last week's can-o-worms, I'll just ya'll need to find a better class of dealer. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 13:27:59 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25941; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29875 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11658 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:27:11 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WPNa011435; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <11e77063.359a710e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:25:33 EDT To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Helmet safety issue Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Well, what this shows me is that the Helmet law has helped. Though deaths haven't dropped as much as accidents in general, it has dropped. We've all got the freedom to choose. I'll continue to choose to wear my helmet. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 13:29:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA25958; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:29:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA29890 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from access1.digex.net (known access1.digex.net [205.197.245.192]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA11698 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (dipaula@localhost) by access1.digex.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA26156; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:26:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Donald DiPaula To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX cc: swaters@XXXXXX, horkster@XXXXXX, ph@XXXXXX, aki.damme@XXXXXX, pellaz@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet safety issue In-Reply-To: <481b4695.3599c534@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII as someone who has studied both logic (formal and informal) and statistics, i'll venture an observation and a question: first, both accidents and deaths fell, but the increase in the "death rate" seems to indicate that the sharpest drop is in non-fatal accidents. second, are these numbers normalized in any way? that is, if the stats are for a fairly constant amount of riding time/miles, then they are very significant; if motorcycle usage fell off sharply after the helmet law went into effect, then these numbers might be almost meaningless. just some things to think about... -D- > Ok, here are the stats as from the MSHA, Office of Traffic and Safety, and > Traffic safety division. > > Overall Accident Rate: > (Includes: Non-injury, injury, and fatality accidents) > 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 > 1997 > Accidents 2010 1693 1714 1752 1417 985 1118 989 889 > pending > Deaths 61 46 46 53 55 45 30 27 > 26 > Death Rate .303 .0271 .0268 .0302 .0388 .0456 .0268 .0273 .0292 > > Overall Accident Rate Summary: > 1985-91 Helmet Law 1992-96 > Total Accidents 15502 Adopted in 5398 > Total Deaths 427 1992 183 > Death Rate .0275 .0339 > > > Injury Accident Rate: > (Includes: Injury and Fatality Accidents) > 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 > 1997 > Accidents 1559 1386 1363 1431 1130 782 906 800 695 > pending > Deaths 61 46 46 53 55 45 30 27 > 26 > Death Rate .0391 .0331 .0331 .0370 .0486 .0575 .0331 .0337 .0374 > > Injury Accident Rate Summary: > 1988-91 Helmet Law 1992-96 > Total Injury Accidents 12385 Adopted in 4583 > Total Deaths 427 1992 183 > Death Rate .0334 .0399 > > -----END----- > > This report is from 1985 to 1996, but for format purposes, I just gave 88 and > up. I hope this gives a little insight to everyone. Let me know if you have > any questions. > > Sean G. Petr > 98 TL-R > "It's important for the boy to learn how to weasel out of things. It's what sets us apart from the animals. Except for the weasels." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 13:38:53 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26100; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00188 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12063 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:38:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA24550; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <3BRPCGDT>; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:38:51 -0400 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F281D@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LTJG" To: "'NJitzul@XXXXXX'" , CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Helmet safety issue Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:38:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Actually, it looked to me as if the fatality rate (fatalities/accident) went up between the two periods. The data showed a lot fewer deaths, but at the same time it showed about 6000 fewer reported accidents. Statistics can be tweaked to argue any case though. I agree with you...I'll choose to continue wearing mine. I've whacked the ground enough times between motrcross bikes and street bikes to know I'm better off with it.....and some of those accidents happen at the weirdest of times... > -----Original Message----- > From: NJitzul@XXXXXX [SMTP:NJitzul@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 1:34 PM > To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Helmet safety issue > > Well, what this shows me is that the Helmet law has helped. Though deaths > haven't dropped as much as accidents in general, it has dropped. We've all > got > the freedom to choose. I'll continue to choose to wear my helmet. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 13:58:13 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA26321; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA00838 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA12563 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from illuminet.net (aln-63-153.jmb.bah.com [156.80.63.153]) by server4.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA12928; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:59:36 -0400 Message-ID: <359A786E.FFB23D5F@illuminet.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 13:57:02 -0400 From: Leon Begeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: NJitzul@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet safety issue References: <11e77063.359a710e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Choosing to ride without a helmet is illegal. In the "Free State" you don't have the freedom to choose. Leon. NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > > Well, what this shows me is that the Helmet law has helped. Though deaths > haven't dropped as much as accidents in general, it has dropped. We've all got > the freedom to choose. I'll continue to choose to wear my helmet. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 14:02:54 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26417; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01054 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12684 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807011802.OAA12684@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A9CA400278; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 14:02:50 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 13:47:23 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: "Scheduled Maintenance" In-Reply-To: <000401bda512$fe4570c0$3280e2cf@ghowell> References: <85256634.0051FB14.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >The variances in valve inspection intervals are due to a number of factors. >Cam lift and duration being one. Engine RPM is another. Also factor in the >adjustment mechanism (some resist changing better than others) and the >metals used in the valves and seats that cause different wear patterns. The Honda ST1100 has shim-under-bucket valve adjustment, requiring removing the camshafts to adjust the valves. The only saving grace of that is that the design requires less frequent adjustment (I forget the maintenance interval, but I think it's over 20,000 mi.). >Let's not forget that most of our bikes have power/displacement ratios that >are closer to NASCAR, top fuel, Formula 1, etc. type vehicles rather than a >Honda Civic. With such power comes certain tradeoffs. We scoff at Wings and >PC 800's, but they are making not as much power/displacement. At the same >time, their servicing is much less severe. I'd be curious to see the actual numbers comparing the vehicles & engines. My bike makes the same horsepower as the car, using half the displacement. I certainly realize there are trade-offs. Leon Begeman made some similar points in a private post about how much power we wring out of bike engines. I guess I need to shift toward the Wings and PC's of this world -- what I really want is something like a "Toyota of motorcycles". Reasonably priced, efficient, effective, and made to do some miles. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 14:05:01 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26446; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01164 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA12746 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:04:09 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id WWVDa13456 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8f070db5.359a79a4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:02:11 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Helmet safety issue Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 I'm not saying whether you are doing it legally or not. I choose to obey the law and wear my helmet. In a state without a helmet law, I would still wear my helmet. I'm simply stating that if someone chooses not to wear their helmet, against the law or not, it's their choice. People choose to break the law all the time. I'm not saying it's right, just that it's their choice. Let's not make this a big issue, because the fact is, we have a helmet law. Live with it. Robert VanSlyke From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 14:18:47 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26887; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01614 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13150 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA27115 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:17:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199807011817.AA27115@portal.visa.com> Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:17:52 -0700 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:18:57 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain >what I really want is something like a "Toyota of motorcycles" >Reasonably priced, efficient, effective, and made to do some miles. Sounds like a PC-800 to me... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 14:22:23 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA26991; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:22:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01835 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1b.yahoomail.com (known send1b.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13267 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980701182104.25168.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send1b; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 11:21:04 PDT Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:21:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Johnston Subject: Humor To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Things seem kind of slow and boring today ...I thought this might get a rise out of some of you out there... Not intended to hurt anyone's feelings :~)) >From Fuzzy Galores Web Site: "Top Ten Things Not To Say To A Lady Sportbike Rider" 10. "Your dad let you ride that thing?" 9. " That's alot of horsepower for you isn't it?" 8. " Have you ever had sex on it?" 7. " No? Can we try?" 6. " Do you ever ride in a g-string?" 5. " We'll wait for you at the intersections." 4. " Awwww, look. A girl on a sportbike. How cute." 3. " You don't really want that bike. You want a nice,little cruiser. Maybe like a 250." 2. " Did you ride that here all by yourself?" 1. " When your boyfriend comes out of the gas station, tell him i said 'nice bike'." _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 14:24:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27073; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA01996 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil (known hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil [155.75.10.223]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA13373 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqmail01.hq.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:24:18 -0400 Message-ID: <070CAC6CBDDAD111A80E0008C7F45042170DC9@hqmail04.hecsa.usace.army.mil> From: "McCoy, Brian P HQ02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Clinton Cycles.. Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:22:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Can't say much about the additude of the mechanic I had to deal with (Jeff I believe), or the thought ability of the guy (in service as well) who didn't know how to get to the shop from Indian Head Highway (or 495).. I was failed on the inspection because I'm missing the pretty little cap that goes with the chain adjustment on the swingarm. Fine, dandy.. not a problem.. I'll find one... but DON'T tell me that it has to be there to keep the swingarm from torquing out of alignment when under acceleration. Even rudamentary physics can disprove that... sheesh.. I don't think I'd feel to confident with work done there, just based on the short conversations I had with them today (along with watching them adjust chains, and mount/balance tires.. heck, it took 2 of them 5 or more minutes to get a seat off.. you know the ones with the key latch, you turn the key and it comes off..) Of course, only my opinion. Brian P. McCoy - CEHEC-IM US Army Corps of Engineers - (703) 428-9045 Work to Ride <-> Ride to Work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 14:41:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27499; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA02944 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mac_dell.hst.nasa.gov (known dhcp100_96.hst.nasa.gov [198.118.96.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14082 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 198.118.96.1 by mac_dell.hst.nasa.gov (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT) Received: from dn7ty ([198.27.17.91]) by lmmail.hst.nasa.gov (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 256; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:37:03 -0400 Message-ID: <044401bda51f$e8e1e710$5b111bc6@dn7ty.hst.lmms.lmco.com> From: "Rottier.Amy" To: "Jordan, Michael" , Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:41:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>what I really want is something like a "Toyota of motorcycles" >>Reasonably priced, efficient, effective, and made to do some miles. > >Sounds like a PC-800 to me... > >Michael J. Ahem, your point? Yeah, so it doesn't need much maintenance. So it looks like an Accord on two wheels. And it doesn't exactly glint in the sun - but it does shine! Why am I being so defensive all of a sudden??!! It's not like you were being uncomplimentary or mean or anything.... were you??! Amy, ever vigilant - watching for insults, implied or not... '89 PC800 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 14:58:03 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA27714; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA03117 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA14534 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA03678 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:57:18 -0700 Message-Id: <199807011857.AA03678@portal.visa.com> Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:57:18 -0700 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:58:23 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain You do me an injustice, fair lady. What I said was in support of the PC - not my type of scooter, admittedly, but filling its niche quite nicely. For the person who is looking for a relatively low maintenance ride that doesn't need a weekend to clean ('cause it's hard to get into all of the motor crannies of a "nekkid" bike) and keeps him (or her) fairly free from oncoming bugs 'n stuff while providing a generous amount of lockable storage space - the PC is perfect - the Toyota of motorcycles. While I personally don't like the PC, I can appreciate it for what it is. Michael J. -----Original Message----- From: Rottier.Amy [mailto:Rottier.Amy@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 14:42 To: Jordan, Michael; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" >>what I really want is something like a "Toyota of motorcycles" >>Reasonably priced, efficient, effective, and made to do some miles. > >Sounds like a PC-800 to me... > >Michael J. Ahem, your point? Yeah, so it doesn't need much maintenance. So it looks like an Accord on two wheels. And it doesn't exactly glint in the sun - but it does shine! Why am I being so defensive all of a sudden??!! It's not like you were being uncomplimentary or mean or anything.... were you??! Amy, ever vigilant - watching for insults, implied or not... '89 PC800 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 15:01:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27783; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:01:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03197 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internet.visa.com (known portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14650 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by portal.visa.com id AA04170 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:00:38 -0700 Message-Id: <199807011900.AA04170@portal.visa.com> Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:00:38 -0700 From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Humor Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:01:43 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Yer timing is atrocious - Jeanette is out of the country right now and I think that Linda is still out west somewhere. You need to repost this when they're back. Let me know when - I want to sell tickets for the event. Or at least get the beer concession... Michael J. -----Original Message----- From: Craig Johnston [mailto:tleatsducks@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 14:21 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Humor Things seem kind of slow and boring today ...I thought this might get a rise out of some of you out there... Not intended to hurt anyone's feelings :~)) >From Fuzzy Galores Web Site: "Top Ten Things Not To Say To A Lady Sportbike Rider" 10. "Your dad let you ride that thing?" 9. " That's alot of horsepower for you isn't it?" 8. " Have you ever had sex on it?" 7. " No? Can we try?" 6. " Do you ever ride in a g-string?" 5. " We'll wait for you at the intersections." 4. " Awwww, look. A girl on a sportbike. How cute." 3. " You don't really want that bike. You want a nice,little cruiser. Maybe like a 250." 2. " Did you ride that here all by yourself?" 1. " When your boyfriend comes out of the gas station, tell him i said 'nice bike'." _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 15:07:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27886; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03380 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14946 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807011906.PAA14946@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A8D25C0276; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 15:06:58 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 15:09:27 -0400 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" In-Reply-To: <044401bda51f$e8e1e710$5b111bc6@dn7ty.hst.lmms.lmco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>what I really want is something like a "Toyota of motorcycles" >>>Reasonably priced, efficient, effective, and made to do some miles. >> >>Sounds like a PC-800 to me... >> >Ahem, your point? Yeah, so it doesn't need much maintenance. So it looks >like an Accord on two wheels. And it doesn't exactly glint in the sun - but >it does shine! > >Why am I being so defensive all of a sudden??!! It's not like you were >being uncomplimentary or mean or anything.... were you??! > >Amy, ever vigilant - watching for insults, implied or not... >'89 PC800 I've often thought the PC was a near-perfect commuter vehicle - minimal maintenance, big trunk, some weather protection. What kept me from really going for it was its relatively low payload (about 300-350 lb. isn't it? Unfortunately that makes it only a single-seater for me, and I'd like to ride two-up occasionally). Also, I recall that the alternator output is not a lot - for those cold electric vest days. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 15:07:04 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA27885; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03377 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14938 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807011906.PAA14938@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.04) id A8D05C0276; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 15:06:56 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 15:05:30 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Humor In-Reply-To: <19980701182104.25168.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Isn't the guy who said that to Jeanette still in the hospital? :-) Chris Norloff At 11:21 AM 7/1/98 -0700, Craig Johnston wrote: >Things seem kind of slow and boring today ...I thought this might get >a rise out of some of you out there... >Not intended to hurt anyone's feelings :~)) > > >>From Fuzzy Galores Web Site: > >"Top Ten Things Not To Say To A Lady Sportbike Rider" > > > >10. "Your dad let you ride that thing?" > >9. " That's alot of horsepower for you isn't it?" > >8. " Have you ever had sex on it?" > >7. " No? Can we try?" > >6. " Do you ever ride in a g-string?" > >5. " We'll wait for you at the intersections." > >4. " Awwww, look. A girl on a sportbike. How cute." > >3. " You don't really want that bike. You want a nice,little cruiser. >Maybe like a 250." > >2. " Did you ride that here all by yourself?" > >1. " When your boyfriend comes out of the gas station, tell him i said >'nice bike'." > > > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 15:37:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA28192; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA03640 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mac_dell.hst.nasa.gov (known dhcp100_96.hst.nasa.gov [198.118.96.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA15828 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 198.118.96.1 by mac_dell.hst.nasa.gov (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT) Received: from dn7ty ([198.27.17.91]) by lmmail.hst.nasa.gov (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 196; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:32:09 -0400 Message-ID: <04e801bda527$9b4b8fd0$5b111bc6@dn7ty.hst.lmms.lmco.com> From: "Rottier.Amy" To: , "Chris Norloff" Subject: Re: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:36:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff >I've often thought the PC was a near-perfect commuter vehicle - minimal >maintenance, big trunk, some weather protection. What kept me from really >going for it was its relatively low payload (about 300-350 lb. isn't it? >Unfortunately that makes it only a single-seater for me, and I'd like to >ride two-up occasionally). Also, I recall that the alternator output is >not a lot - for those cold electric vest days. Right on both accounts. I have to watch my loading (there ain't much room left after me and the gas...) physically, and electronically. Wiring it up for my wants will be a challenge. Although, there are plenty of people out there who have successfully wired it up for sound, heat (grips and vest), comm, and various others (clock, esp.). It can be done - but I'm sure that can be said of any bike, given certain parameters and added equipment. As for commuter bike - that's right. It's the best. But, I also enjoy it in the twisties - it's stable enough for me to feel like I can challenge myself and still control the bike well. It's no sportbike, power-wise, but handling is pleasant and agile. Amy OK - enough PC800 aggrandizement. Back to your regularly scheduled bi---- er, griping... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 16:09:21 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28671; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA04681 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beta.nova.org (known beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17054 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epsilon.nova.org (kirk@XXXXXX [209.31.144.42]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA25331 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:08:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Non moto: truck for sale Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is probably terribly inappropriate but traffic is slow and I'll keep it brief... For moto content: this would be a good choice for towing a bike. 89 Dodge Raider (aka, Mitsubishi Montero) 4x4, V6, 70k miles $6000. Thanks, Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 16:35:27 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA28972; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:35:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA05792 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gemini.smart.net (known [206.27.242.109] [206.27.242.109]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA17708 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richard (a2p20dyn.smart.net [206.27.243.52]) by gemini.smart.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA25539; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:26:43 -0400 Message-ID: <00b201bda52e$aa689060$34f31bce@richard> From: "Thomas H. Gimer" To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" , Subject: Re: Where can I check VIN Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:27:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Is this some kind of sick joke? You're going from a Blackbird to a CB350 (no insult intended to CB owners; just a huge difference in bike styles). Your only fault was following too close and you've learned your lesson. Don't punish yourself too much!!! -----Original Message----- From: To: Date: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 7:30 AM Subject: Where can I check VIN >I found a nice bike I can consider as replacement. > >I have VIN number; where can I check if the bike is >OK ? Anyone knows a WWW page for this purpose, or >should I ask friendly bike shop to check this VIN >for me ? > >(Bike is a nice, clean Honda CB 350 - this time I won't >be tempted to ride fast :-) -- Tom Gimer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 18:42:14 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02747; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10413 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA23028 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.35]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 18:38:40 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Leon Begeman" , Cc: Subject: RE: Helmet safety issue Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:39:43 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bda541$24838be0$2380e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <359A786E.FFB23D5F@illuminet.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Illegality doesn't remove the freedom of choice. That simples complicates the issue by throwing in whether or not the benefits of not wearing a helmet are outweighed by not wearing a helmet AND committing civil disobedience. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX > -----Original Message----- > From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mrider@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 1:57 PM > To: NJitzul@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Helmet safety issue > > > Choosing to ride without a helmet is illegal. In the "Free State" you > don't have the freedom to choose. > > Leon. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 18:42:15 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02749; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10421 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA23036 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.35]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 18:38:45 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "Dale Horstman" Subject: RE: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:39:53 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bda541$2a57db20$2380e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <359A9756.88ED4C8C@tidalwave.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > I thought the downside to hydraulic valves was that > they were particularly sensitive to engine oil level. > IOW, you really needed to check the oil frequently. > > Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. > > George Howell wrote: > > > > Hydraulic valves require no adjustments. That's just one downside of hydraulic valves. But how many of us have ever let oil levels go down that much? The others are as I said before: can't tolerate high revs or high lift cams. The UPside to hydraulic valves is that they require no adjustments. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 18:42:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA02755; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA10416 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id SAA23032 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ghowell (unverified [207.226.128.35]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Wed, 01 Jul 1998 18:38:41 -0400 From: "George Howell" To: "Chris Norloff" , Subject: RE: "Scheduled Maintenance" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:39:49 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bda541$27fd2240$2380e2cf@ghowell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199807011802.OAA12684@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > I guess I need to shift toward the Wings and PC's of this world -- what I > really want is something like a "Toyota of motorcycles". Reasonably > priced, efficient, effective, and made to do some miles. That would likely be the CB 750 (no offense, I wouldn't mind having one). If you look up 'motorcycle' in the dictionary, there should be a current Honda Nighthawk. I don't think a more generic motorcycle exists. It does NOTHING well. But everything moderately well. Probably more fun to ride than a Wing (which can boogie, but it's so damned much work:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 19:06:46 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA03972; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA11065 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA24641 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA04291; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:05:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mar-wv3-02.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.66) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma004221; Wed Jul 1 18:05:14 1998 Message-ID: <359AEBE1.466A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 19:09:37 -0700 From: Ken Reply-To: shephar1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Do they have a Concours at Coleman falls Church? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anybody that stops by Coleman-Falls Church know if they have a Kawasaki Concours on the floor. None of the dealers out this way keep them in stock, although they are all more than willing to order one ;). Twiggs in Hagerstown has even gotten the '99 dealer order sheet, and they are still listed for $7999. I would like to see how one would fit, ( Short Inseam ). Rode one back in mid eighties, which seemed a bit tall, but it looks like the seat is slightly different now. Plus a nother decades riding under the belt. Dont know when I'll ever get a chance to catch Dale or anyone else on a ride the way this summer is going. -- Ken S. HDKnight 1996 XLH1200 Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 1 22:47:18 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA05634; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA15810 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (known smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA28202 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdt.erols.com (207-172-121-124.s124.tnt15.brd.erols.com [207.172.121.124]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA26716; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199807020246.WAA26716@smtp2.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: "Anita Lauro" , "Louis F. Caplan" , "DC-Cycles List" Subject: Re: Friday Ride? Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:42:34 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will be there between 10:00 and 10:30 on Friday. What is the planned route? Roy D. Turner, Esq. ---------- > From: Anita Lauro > To: Louis F. Caplan ; DC-Cycles List > Subject: RE: Friday Ride? > Date: Monday, June 29, 1998 7:42 PM > > On Monday, June 29, 1998 7:05 PM, Louis F. Caplan [SMTP:louis@XXXXXX] > wrote: > > : I'd be willing to lead either of these rides. They both start from > : Cycle Sports - Springfield. All of the rest stops are near gas > stations > : for those who are gas-tank challenged. 8^) > > Louis, > > Either ride sounds just great to me. I'll be at Cycle Sport by 10:15 am > or so. This is assuming that I don't remove parts from my motorcycle in > an attempt to change the oil, and then can't figure out what goes back > where!! :) I'd like to have a copy of one or both ride sheets, for > future reference. > > Thanks for taking the lead on this one! > > Anita > '96 GPZ1100 [No Name] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 09:38:50 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10918; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA27943 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from the.martinagency.com (known the.martinagency.com [205.161.206.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06610 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.martinagency.com ([205.161.207.98]) by the.martinagency.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA11623 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:30:14 -0700 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 02 Jul 1998 09:35:15 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 09:37:52 -0400 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: biker shooter Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Barely caught this on Public Radio this am. Thought you folks would like to know that the dickless coward who shot and killed the Gold Wing rider the other night has turned himself in to Norfolk (or Hampton, can't remember which) police. Today's Richmond paper says David Sanchez, 17, of Hopewell sold the 9mm Tech 9 for $300 in Hopwell in the hours after the shooting. Police say the victim, James Hoover, 54, appeared to be a target of opportunity. There are a total of five defendants in the case. Sanchez's picture appears in the paper today. He got a reeeal purty mouth . . . Joe Nagy '85 Ninja Goochland Co. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 09:47:56 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10972; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28032 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06790 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:47:47 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id JAA13864 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:47:29 -0400 Message-Id: <199807021347.JAA13864@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:47:29 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:47:29 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:47:29 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 9:45:34 -0400 Subject: RE: Helmet safety issue To: cfagan@XXXXXX Cc: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, NJitzul@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B10F281D@MSCEX> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ...not to mention the very real possibility of kissing a pregnant rice bug right in your teeth, or worse yet, exploding into your mouth...YEEEEEEEEECCCCCCCCHHHHHH!!!!!!! *burp*..thankyouverymuch... ..now back to finishing my breakfast... ;-) -aki > Actually, it looked to me as if the fatality rate (fatalities/accident) > went up between the two periods. > The data showed a lot fewer deaths, but at the same time it showed about > 6000 fewer reported accidents. > Statistics can be tweaked to argue any case though. > I agree with you...I'll choose to continue wearing mine. I've whacked the > ground enough times between motrcross bikes and street bikes to know I'm > better off with it.....and some of those accidents happen at the weirdest of > times... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: NJitzul@XXXXXX [SMTP:NJitzul@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 1:34 PM > > To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX > > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Helmet safety issue > > > > Well, what this shows me is that the Helmet law has helped. Though deaths > > haven't dropped as much as accidents in general, it has dropped. We've all > > got > > the freedom to choose. I'll continue to choose to wear my helmet. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 09:48:10 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA10977; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28038 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06796 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 315; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:47:48 -0400 Message-ID: <359B8F90.6F4ED4F2@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 09:48:00 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: shephar1@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Do they have a Concours at Coleman falls Church? References: <359AEBE1.466A@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ken wrote: > > Anybody that stops by Coleman-Falls Church know if they have a Kawasaki > Concours on the floor. Dont know when I'll ever get a chance to catch > Dale or anyone else on a ride the way this summer is going. > -- I should be at Coleman Falls Church tomorrow for the Friday ride suggested by Anita & Louis. I'd be willing to swap the Connie for the Sporty for a short ride just about anytime. (Been itching to ride a Sporty anyway!) PS: The Connie is still pretty tall and top heavy, until you get used to it. But you are right, the newer seats did drop the seat height by about an inch or so. PPS: The father in law is still riding your old 440 LTD. I think he likes it pretty well. It's far and away a better bike than my 400 :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 09:54:00 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11013; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28298 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egate2.citicorp.com (known egate2.citicorp.com [192.193.196.194]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06921 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:53:43 -0400 (EDT) From: aki.damme@XXXXXX Received: by egate2.citicorp.com id JAA14611 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:53:30 -0400 Message-Id: <199807021353.JAA14611@egate2.citicorp.com> Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:53:30 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:53:30 -0400 Received: by egate2.citicorp.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:53:30 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 9:51:14 -0400 Subject: Re: Humor To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199807011906.PAA14938@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> X-Mailer: Worldtalk (4.1.1-p14)/MIME ...actually I heard he's no longer with us...Jeanette heard he was getting better so she rode her VFR up the stairs and ran over his head... -aki > Isn't the guy who said that to Jeanette still in the hospital? > > :-) > Chris Norloff > > > At 11:21 AM 7/1/98 -0700, Craig Johnston wrote: > >Things seem kind of slow and boring today ...I thought this might get > >a rise out of some of you out there... > >Not intended to hurt anyone's feelings :~)) > > > > > >>From Fuzzy Galores Web Site: > > > >"Top Ten Things Not To Say To A Lady Sportbike Rider" > > > > > > > >10. "Your dad let you ride that thing?" > > > >9. " That's alot of horsepower for you isn't it?" > > > >8. " Have you ever had sex on it?" > > > >7. " No? Can we try?" > > > >6. " Do you ever ride in a g-string?" > > > >5. " We'll wait for you at the intersections." > > > >4. " Awwww, look. A girl on a sportbike. How cute." > > > >3. " You don't really want that bike. You want a nice,little cruiser. > >Maybe like a 250." > > > >2. " Did you ride that here all by yourself?" > > > >1. " When your boyfriend comes out of the gas station, tell him i said > >'nice bike'." > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________ > >DO YOU YAHOO!? > >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 09:54:17 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11017; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28334 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil (known rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil [209.22.120.23]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06933 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rbhub100.chamb.disa.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) id ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:53:35 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mersch, Tom" To: "'dc-cycles'" Subject: Outa Here Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:54:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.0) Content-Type: text/plain I'm off on vacation for a week and I'll be unsubscribing. Tom M. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 09:55:02 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11026; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:55:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28395 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (known mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA06945 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.114.127]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 197; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:54:39 -0400 Message-ID: <359B9128.2675A0F@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 09:54:48 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anita Lauro , "Louis F. Caplan" CC: DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: Friday Ride? References: <199807020246.WAA26716@smtp2.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Louis wrote: > > : I'd be willing to lead either of these rides. They both start from > > : Cycle Sports - Springfield. All of the rest stops are near gas > > stations > > : for those who are gas-tank challenged. 8^) I hadn't spoken up earlier until I was sure I was free and clear, but count me in for the Friday ride! I'll be at Cycle Sports by 10:00 or so. If no one else has expressed a preference, I'd vote for the longer of the two routes - the one that goes out to Middleburg, Winchester, etc. But then again I would always vote for the longer route anyways! :) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 2 09:58:24 1998 Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu by pita.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA11060; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (known mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28692 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:58:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (known [206.213.111.115] [206.213.111.115]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA07041 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viruswall.entp.attws.com by redmailwall.nwest.mccaw.com (8.8.8/AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. V8 version 2) id