From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 1 08:59:44 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Whats the difference? Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 08:59:30 -0400 That's what I really loved about my old KZ1100. It would smoke 'em from the line or on the top end. Nothing with more than 2 wheels could beat it off the line and only a few "special" cars could take it at the top end, assuming they were crazy enough to try. I had some kids in an early '80's Pontiac Firebird with the 3.1 turbo chase me from Winchester towards Berkeley Springs on 522. I blew by them leaving town and was cruising about 85 when I saw them coming up on me about 10 miles later. As they got closer, I kept easing the speed up until they came beside me. At that point we were doing a little over 100. I just looked over at them, twisted my right wrist and pulled away from them like they were standing still. I was ready to downshift, but that toy turbo was a dog. He was probably maxed out by 110. We were also going uphill, so that may have hurt them. It didn't affect that mad kaw! Perry >From: "Cedric Bernescut" >To: >Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Whats the difference? >Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:33:30 -0400 > >there really is something cathartic about dispatching a cage with >extreme prejudice and very little effort. > >--skip > >A mantra to live by.... > >Cedric Bernescut >2000 CBR600F4 >Annandale, VA > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 3 09:41:23 2005 Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 09:41:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: David Blumgart Subject: [dc-cycles] Lubing the ignition cylinder At 06:35 PM 6/29/2005 -0400, smthng else wrote: >.... DON'T FORGET >TO LUBE YOUR IGNITION CYLINDER!!!! It seemed to take about a pint of 10-40, but now my bike won't start. Seriously, what should you use to lube an lock/switch? WD-40 DB From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 3 10:00:10 2005 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 06:59:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Lubing the ignition cylinder To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Graphite spray. Available at most hardware stores. --- David BlBlumgartmomojohandninameom> wrote: > At 06:35 PM 6/29/2005 -0400, smsmthnglse wrote: > >.... DON'T FORGET > >TO LUBE YOUR IGNITION CYLINDER!!!! > > > It seemed to take about a pint of 10-40, but now my > bike won't start. > > Seriously, what should you use to lube an > lock/switch? WDWD0 > > DB > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 3 10:22:23 2005 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 10:22:18 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Lubing the ignition cylinder > > Seriously, what should you use to lube an > > lock/switch? WDWD0 > Graphite spray. Available at most hardware stores. Bottom line is do not use anything with an oil base, as it will thoroughly gum up the cylinders and pins. Powdered graphite is the best - available at your abovementioned hardware stores, locksmiths and even WalMart (where they cut keys) -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 3 23:41:32 2005 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 23:41:22 -0400 From: smthng else To: David Blumgart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Lubing the ignition cylinder Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 7/3/05, David Blumgart wrote: > At 06:35 PM 6/29/2005 -0400, smthng else wrote: > >.... DON'T FORGET > >TO LUBE YOUR IGNITION CYLINDER!!!! > Seriously, what should you use to lube an lock/switch? WD-40 I'm a Yamaha freak, so my recommendations are somewhat one sided... Best for locks and electrical bits... Yamaha Silicone Protectant and Lubricant. $6.95 Best for just about everything else, but also satisfactory for locks (IMO)... Yamaha Lube-Zall. $5.95 --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 5 13:09:05 2005 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 13:08:55 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Saw two bike incidents this weekend :( Not sure if anyone involved is on the list, or if anyone knows them. Just wanted to share what I saw and hope that everyone is ok. Saturday, 7/2. Riding down Bowie Mill Road to turn left onto Muncaster Mill Road about 9:00 PM. Looks like a Pick up rear ended a Red CBR600 F(something). Bike was upright. Drivers were exchanging info. Stopped to see if they were ok and needed a cell. Driver said it's ok and no thanks. Didn't look like it was at much of a speed, so hopefully damage is minimal. Last night, 7/4. Riding down North/West Bound Middlebrook Road to take 270 South, about 9:30 PM. Area was light up like a dance club with Fire, Police, and Ambulance attending to someone on the shoulder/sidewalk on the other side of the road. I saw a sport bike laying on its side in the road and they had all traffic blocked. I don't know any particulars. Hope you're ok. Be careful out there, everyone. Rob '98 VFR800 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 5 13:16:01 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Saw two bike incidents this weekend :( Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 13:15:53 -0400 I saw a Medivac on Skyline at 211 on Sunday 7/3. Not sure if a bike(s) was involved, but there were a lot out that day. A lot of Harleys, I think most of the sport crowd was at Summit Point for the races. >From: "Rob Keiser" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: [dc-cycles] Saw two bike incidents this weekend :( >Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 13:08:55 -0400 > >Not sure if anyone involved is on the list, or if anyone knows them. Just >wanted to share what I saw and hope that everyone is ok. > >Saturday, 7/2. Riding down Bowie Mill Road to turn left onto Muncaster >Mill Road about 9:00 PM. Looks like a Pick up rear ended a Red CBR600 >F(something). Bike was upright. Drivers were exchanging info. Stopped to >see if they were ok and needed a cell. Driver said it's ok and no thanks. >Didn't look like it was at much of a speed, so hopefully damage is minimal. > >Last night, 7/4. Riding down North/West Bound Middlebrook Road to take 270 >South, about 9:30 PM. Area was light up like a dance club with Fire, >Police, and Ambulance attending to someone on the shoulder/sidewalk on the >other side of the road. I saw a sport bike laying on its side in the road >and they had all traffic blocked. I don't know any particulars. Hope >you're ok. > >Be careful out there, everyone. > >Rob >'98 VFR800 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 5 13:20:41 2005 Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 13:20:11 -0400 From: skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Saw two bike incidents this weekend :( I had an interesting experience on 211 yesterday... 3 people (cages) pulled over and waved me by. made for a nice ride down. --skip rich hall wrote: > > I saw a Medivac on Skyline at 211 on Sunday 7/3. Not sure if a bike(s) was > involved, but there were a lot out that day. A lot of Harleys, I think most > of the sport crowd was at Summit Point for the races. > > >From: "Rob Keiser" > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: [dc-cycles] Saw two bike incidents this weekend :( > >Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 13:08:55 -0400 > > > >Not sure if anyone involved is on the list, or if anyone knows them. Just > >wanted to share what I saw and hope that everyone is ok. > > > >Saturday, 7/2. Riding down Bowie Mill Road to turn left onto Muncaster > >Mill Road about 9:00 PM. Looks like a Pick up rear ended a Red CBR600 > >F(something). Bike was upright. Drivers were exchanging info. Stopped to > >see if they were ok and needed a cell. Driver said it's ok and no thanks. > >Didn't look like it was at much of a speed, so hopefully damage is minimal. > > > >Last night, 7/4. Riding down North/West Bound Middlebrook Road to take 270 > >South, about 9:30 PM. Area was light up like a dance club with Fire, > >Police, and Ambulance attending to someone on the shoulder/sidewalk on the > >other side of the road. I saw a sport bike laying on its side in the road > >and they had all traffic blocked. I don't know any particulars. Hope > >you're ok. > > > >Be careful out there, everyone. > > > >Rob > >'98 VFR800 > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 5 19:08:07 2005 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 19:07:55 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer To: DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Draggin' jeans or similar I'm looking for a pair of pants that offer some better resistance to injury than plain old denim. "Draggin' Jeans" brand have been mentioned quite a bit in another forum that I frequent. Does anyone have a pair? Care to comment? Also, I'm looking for a pair of riding pants for my girlfriend - who is a size 2-4. Riding gear for women is very difficult to find. Any suggestions from those in the know? Jay? Lisa? Thanks, Aaron From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 5 19:21:48 2005 Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 19:21:29 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Draggin' jeans or similar At 07:07 PM 7/5/2005, Aaron Maurer wrote: >I'm looking for a pair of pants that offer some better resistance to >injury than plain old denim. "Draggin' Jeans" brand have been >mentioned quite a bit in another forum that I frequent. Does anyone >have a pair? Care to comment? > >Also, I'm looking for a pair of riding pants for my girlfriend - who >is a size 2-4. Riding gear for women is very difficult to find. Any >suggestions from those in the know? Jay? Lisa? > >Thanks, > >Aaron I've got a pair as well as their kevlar shirt. Couple of comments: 1. The jeans need to be *tight* in order for it to be even remotely effective. If they're loose, the kevlar knee pad will slide to the side and expose your kneecap to an unprotected part of the jean. 2. The jeans, especially the kevlar areas, do *not* breathe. On a hot day, you'll notice the added heat retention. 3. They do *nothing* to protect you from hard surfaces. 4. Are they worth it? They better than just plain ole jeans but not by a huge factor. If you want to wear jeans, then they're better than nothing. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 5 20:25:57 2005 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1970 20:42:51 -0500 From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) at filter05.roc.ny.frontiernet.net Subject: [dc-cycles] note to: C. Custer et al (longish) I've not been hiding out-- just returned from riding the circumference of Ireland. My wife and I flew to London the night of the 19th of June (Saturday) and arrived at our pub/hotel mid morning on Sunday. Lollygagged around London on Sunday-couldn't pick up the rental bile 'til Monday. The rental place was just up the street from the pub and was supposed to open at 8:30AM, but the guy didn't post until 10. However the bike was ready as promised. He had kindly added racks for my three Givi bags, so all we had to do was pop them on the bike. The bike: We rented a Honda CBF 500. I wanted something smallish so we could do any back road we wanted. It is a water-cooled verticle twin. The power was adequate, but the riders seat was brutally uncomfortable. My wife didn't complain about hers at all. Although we didn't spend very much time on the motorway when we did the poor thing was churning it's little twin cylinder heart out. 70 mph=6000 rpm in sixth gear. With the two biggish bags on the sides I was still able to split lanes and filter in Monday AM London traffic on the way out of town. In any case, I should have listened to the rental guy. He wanted to rent me a Honda Deauville-- a nice partially faired smallish tourer--water cooled V-twin. It would have been small enough for the small roads, but much better on the motorway. Note to self--listen to the experts. Roads: Larger roads were well paved and smooth. Smaller roads tended to be patch upon patch which made them bumpy. And they were narrow, very narrow. Many times when meeting another vehicle my shoulders would be touching the roadside hedges. Sight lines were often limited by either high stone walls and/or hedges. Drivers: I wish folks around here could go over there and take a few lessons. Lane discipline on the motorways is wonderful. In dense city traffic people will let you in line. The bottom line is that in two weeks of operating a motorcycle and almost 1800s miles I never had to take an emergency action. Scenery: Spectacular!!!!!!!!!!!! Food: You don't go to Ireland for the food. Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 5 20:31:57 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Draggin' jeans or similar Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 20:31:49 -0400 I'm on my 2nd pair, 1st pair was too tight, for my liking, dad has them now. The "Utility" are wide legged and they wrap the knee in kevlar, so it can't slide to the side. Draggin Jeans seems to know what they are doing. I hope to never test them though. >From: Aki Damme >To: DC-Cycles >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Draggin' jeans or similar >Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 19:21:29 -0400 > >1. The jeans need to be *tight* in order for it to be even remotely >effective. If they're loose, the kevlar knee pad >will slide to the side and expose your kneecap to an unprotected part of >the jean. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 5 22:31:46 2005 Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 19:31:39 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Draggin' jeans or similar To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >is a size 2-4. Riding gear for women is very difficult to find. Joe Rocket has a woman's line. they should have ballistic/phoenix pants in the right sizes. > 1. The jeans need to be *tight* in order for it to be even remotely > effective. If they're loose, the kevlar knee pad > will slide to the side and expose your kneecap to an unprotected > part of the jean. they must have changed the design. I had one of the early editions and the kevlar patch was sewn into the garment. It was going nowhere. > 2. The jeans, especially the kevlar areas, do *not* breathe. On a > hot day, you'll notice the added heat retention. Didn't notice it that much really. Jeans are just junk to wear for anything though. Weather Survival 101 teaches you that cotton has got to be the worst thing to wear. If I'm stupid enough to wear jeans, I make sure I'm wearing biking shorts underneath. > 3. They do *nothing* to protect you from hard surfaces. no kidding. > 4. Are they worth it? They better than just plain ole jeans but not > by a huge factor. If you want to wear jeans, then > they're better than nothing. I wear armored overpants over EVERYTHING including draggin' jeans. The jeans reduced the amount of knee trauma during my accident a few years ago but the concrete ripped right thru my ballistic overpants, grabbed the CE armor out of it's pocket and slashed it's way thru the Kevlar and into the flesh. I concluded that Draggin' Jeans were definately not worth the $70/pair. Save your money, buy some Phoenix/Ballistic pants and some CE armor and just wear it all the time. If you gotta lose the overpants in order to pose and have that all elusive "bad-ass cool" street cred, just bring along a backpack to stuff the overpants into it. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 7 20:14:37 2005 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Draggin' jeans or similar Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 7:55:57 -0400 > > From: matthew patton > Date: 2005/07/05 Tue PM 10:31:39 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Draggin' jeans or similar > > > >is a size 2-4. Riding gear for women is very difficult to find. > > Joe Rocket has a woman's line. they should have ballistic/phoenix pants > in the right sizes. > > > 1. The jeans need to be *tight* in order for it to be even remotely > > effective. If they're loose, the kevlar knee pad > > will slide to the side and expose your kneecap to an unprotected > > part of the jean. > > they must have changed the design. I had one of the early editions and > the kevlar patch was sewn into the garment. It was going nowhere. ..as do my pair. However, the patch doesn't go all the way around behind the knee. Consequently, if the jeans are too loose around the knee, the jeans can twist enough to expose the kneecap to an area that isn't kevlar covered. Also, since the jeans are made basically the same as any other pair of jeans except for the kevlar pads, if you hit the pavement at any point other than your knee or your butt, you can literally tear the jeans off you, making the kevlar enforced points a moot point. Now, if they had lined the entire jean with *breathable* kevlar with removable pucks at the knees, THAT would of been cool. That would enable me to keep my stunning, yet intimidating Harley Personna while still keeping safety in mind. ;-) -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 7 20:15:35 2005 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 20:16:25 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: roadrunnaz@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] under padding continued so here's what i decided to go with: 1 Large:EVS 2005 Ultimate Riding Short PP05-L $45.00 $45.00 http://www.motoworldracing.com/EVS-2005-Ultimate-Riding-Short.html 1 Black XLarge:EVS 2005 Ballistic Jerseys BJ22 BJ22-BLK-XL $134.10 $134.10 http://www.mtbz.com/mountainboard_accessories/evs_bj2.htm Subtotal $179.10 Shipping: UPS Ground (Lower 48 States) $0.00 Tax Total: No Tax (0.00%) $0.00 Total $179.10 After watching my almost 2 year old terror of a son summersault over the top of the couch on to a full diaper without a scratch, I decided, hey that could be useful in an ugly get-off. The lightbulb went off.. gel packed depends! just kidding that's a total fictional story i made up. but it sounded entertaining Here's my thought process: So far all of my 5 or 6 dismounts have been rather minor where I could painlessly or slightly sorely ride off. I'd like to keep it that way! (ok one small highside where the broken chain caught in the sprocket/swingarm, but if not for that, i'd ride off) First off, my goal is to lessen the amount of injury I could incur. I don't believe enough gear will make you invulnerable, I think it would be foolish to think that. I'm not expecting padding to help in a major accident, but I want to be less sore after the minor get offs. Change a hard bruising/slight fracture, into just a thump. Scots poet Robert Burns (1759-1796): "The best-laid plans of mice and men Gang aft agley (=often go wrong). And leave us naught but grief and pain For promised joy." so of course now i'm probably jinxed for promised doom. now back to the regularly scheduled post; So I said, what do the dirtbikers/motocrossers wear for impact..and began my quest. originally my quest was for knee protection.. padding vs brace (and padding) to prevent hyperextension .. google newsgrouped the discussion.. read testimonials how braces saved people.. was pretty much sold.. then read how it's actually better to have knee damage than transfer it to femur damage (snap) where your bone could severe an artery, causing you to bleed to death, or oxegen starve the brain for permenant damage... so i'm back to the knee padding side of the fence, or maybe a weak brace with padding. (best of both worlds?). I know I want the padding to extend up the thigh somewhat to prevent the handle bars from pounding my legs in some kind of get-offs.. should something like that occur. So no purchase on that just yet. I've had a small highside, and a low side, where i've landed on my hip.. with the leather jacket the only thing to cushion the blow. It helped a little.. but I still was sore a few days. I want to prevent that again, wether i'm in jeans or leathers.. so my quest begain for some pants/shorts. I was hoping shorts existed that covereed the front of the thighs as well as the sides, but didn't see anything.. so I settled to just be complacent on padding my hips for now. I didn't like the way the bohn shorts tail bone padding seemed triangular, but the EVS shorts tail bone padding looked vertically rectangular, so it seemed like it defintely couldn't get out of place Ever slip on some steps and bruise your tail bone? OUCH. So anyway i wanted that protection too in the shorts. Plus they were cheaper. I figure i'll give them a shot. If I don't like them I'll get the bohns shorts next..probably.. or some pants setup. So I settled for no thigh protection in the hopes i can find some shin/knee gaurds that will extend upwards. at least halfway up my thigh. (maybe I should have gotten bohns or dianese fishnet type of pants). So anyway enough on the shorts. I occassionaly switch between perforated and non perforated jackets depending on the weather and temperature. Two different jackets, and the elbow padding seems not as well made in one, so that's in the back of my mind.. And neither jacket has any chest protection. Having had a friend recently break ribs and puncture lung, and I know that I never want a tube down my throat or in me anywhere for that matter (jinx again), so I want to add some type of protection for the chest and back (hmm what do dirtbikers wear). so anyway I came across the EVS BJ22 upper body armour, while I was searching for knee braces. Seemed like it would do the job that I wanted.. lessen my chance of injury in certain currently unprotected areas. So it will be wore under my leather 99% of the time. I might wear it solo on a 100 degree holiday when i'm going to be doing 10 mph in city traffic. I'm waiting for the day they design a totally encompasing perforated hard outter shell, with joints and such, perferated inner padding and a/c . :) So that's why I decided to buy those things. I figure the evs vest is better than joe rocket mesh crap too. probably better sliding on plastic than ripped off mesh. Feel free to enlighten me if you know better than I do, on any of this stuff.. - Danny "why no.. this isnt' a daiper i'm wearing but thanks for asking" From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 7 20:24:35 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Draggin' jeans or similar Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 09:56:37 -0400 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "DC-Cycles" Aaron: I haven't had the chance to test the Draggin Jeans myself but I would also put in a vote for overpants. I find they have better armor and skin protection as well as being easily applied over work clothes. I recommend the FirstGear HyperTex pants as they have decent padding and I accidentally discovered last night that they're pretty waterproof; alas, my Phoenix jacket was not as resistant to precipitation :( I also have a really nice set of Fieldsheer mesh pants with CE armor that doesn't move at all. However, due to a serious design flaw, they are incompatible with cheeseburgers and beer, thus the waist no longer fits. Though my wife has no interest in riding, I bookmarked this site in case it could be of use. It has a number of reviews of women's riding gear as well as a number of sources for it. http://www.webbikeworld.com/women-motorcycle-clothing/ Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA "Draggin' Jeans" brand have been mentioned quite a bit in another forum that I frequent. Does anyone have a pair? Care to comment? Riding gear for women is very difficult to find. Any suggestions from those in the know? Jay? Lisa? Thanks, Aaron From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 7 20:26:20 2005 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 20:26:34 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: roadrunnaz@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] underpadding pt 3 http://www.motoworldracing.com/EVS-2005-Ultimate-Riding-Short.html oh yea, that 179 price was for both items at motoracingworld.com I figure it'll be easily worth it, especially if it's the deciding factor (in a minor getofff) between going home, or going to the hospital with pain. I'm going to keep my reciepts as well.. so insurance can reimburse me for anything if it gets even a minor scrape or tear, and i'll be really glad I bought the stuff. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 7 20:28:16 2005 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 11:00:04 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: roadrunnaz@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] slow today? Leg padding? thinking about things to wear under jeans... http://www.mtbz.com/mountainboard_accessories/evs_pp05.htm and kneepads... or the long pants version with knee padding built in... anyone have any of this? or know a better price or product? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 7 21:35:12 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 19:00:10 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Key Blank filled Re my difficult keyblank: AA Locksmith at 2401 Columbia Pike did the job in a helpful, courteous way. A few minutes of skillful attention was required to modify an on-hand blank, getting the job done. At a standard fee, which I supplemented. Thanks to Cedric Bernescut who says they did well by him also. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > I'm now less fearful of using the cable lock, said Tom securely. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 7 22:07:29 2005 Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 06:17:16 -0400 From: smthng else To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Draggin' jeans or similar On 7/5/05, Aaron Maurer wrote: > Also, I'm looking for a pair of riding pants for my girlfriend - who > is a size 2-4. Riding gear for women is very difficult to find. Any > suggestions from those in the know? Jay? Lisa? I have no suggestions on the jeans, but for the ladies gear, check out New Enough. They tend to carry the full size range of ladies gear and I snagged both the JR Ballistic and Pheonix pants for my wife (also quite small). They were too long, but JR doesn't make anything in short leg sizes for the ladies that I'm aware of. But, with a good pair of boots, it doesn't really matter. Sorry if I'm squishing toes... I'm not affiliated, just a happy customer. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 7 22:25:21 2005 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 19:22:00 -0400 From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) at filter05.roc.ny.frontiernet.net Subject: [dc-cycles] Fwd: note to: C. Custer et al (longish) > Subject: note to: C. Custer et al (longish) > > I've not been hiding out-- just returned from riding the circumference > of Ireland. > My wife and I flew to London the night of the 19th of June (Saturday) > and arrived at our pub/hotel mid morning on Sunday. Lollygagged around > London on Sunday-couldn't pick up the rental bile 'til Monday. > The rental place was just up the street from the pub and was supposed > to open at 8:30AM, but the guy didn't post until 10. However the bike > was ready as promised. He had kindly added racks for my three Givi > bags, so all we had to do was pop them on the bike. > The bike: We rented a Honda CBF 500. I wanted something smallish so we > could do any back road we wanted. It is a water-cooled verticle twin. > The power was adequate, but the riders seat was brutally > uncomfortable. My wife didn't complain about hers at all. Although we > didn't spend very much time on the motorway when we did the poor thing > was churning it's little twin cylinder heart out. 70 mph=6000 rpm in > sixth gear. With the two biggish bags on the sides I was still able to > split lanes and filter in Monday AM London traffic on the way out of > town. In any case, I should have listened to the rental guy. He wanted > to rent me a Honda Deauville-- a nice partially faired smallish > tourer--water cooled V-twin. It would have been small enough for the > small roads, but much better on the motorway. Note to self--listen to > the experts. > Roads: Larger roads were well paved and smooth. Smaller roads tended > to be patch upon patch which made them bumpy. And they were narrow, > very narrow. Many times when meeting another vehicle my shoulders > would be touching the roadside hedges. Sight lines were often limited > by either high stone walls and/or hedges. > Drivers: I wish folks around here could go over there and take a few > lessons. Lane discipline on the motorways is wonderful. In dense city > traffic people will let you in line. The bottom line is that in two > weeks of operating a motorcycle and almost 1800s miles I never had to > take an emergency action. > Scenery: Spectacular!!!!!!!!!!!! > Food: You don't go to Ireland for the food. > > Bob > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 8 13:43:25 2005 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 13:44:25 -0400 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org \(E-mail\)" Subject: [dc-cycles] Gotta love the Italians Photo taken at the Ducati press conference from the races at Laguna Seca: http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/2005mgp/lagunaseca/3/wined.htm Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 8 15:33:22 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 15:33:15 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] My day in court I went to court today for my "reckless driving". 70 in a 35 at the main Dulles Toll Plaza heading towards DC. (Channel 4 ran something about this on Monday night, look out there) The trooper said I wasn't driving "recklessly", yet looked dumbfounded, when I asked wasn't it up to him & couldn't he simply give me speeding. Noob. I'm not of fan of lawyers, my folks made me get one for my first ticket, all he got was the fine waved, which was less than his fee. Since then, I've gotten every charge reduced or dropped. I went to the DMV, got a copy of my record (+5). Went to traffic school at NVCC, heard judges didn't like the online schools. Was told by a cop (not sure of jurisdiction) to talk to the DA, if I didn't like his deal, come back w/ a lawyer. Seemed like a good way to test the waters. I get there early today. I'm the second to enter the court room. I listen to a lawyer tell the bailiff of Fairfax County Courtroom 1B a sexist joke, then a racist joke. Classy, good ol' boys. Why didn't I get a lawyer? So I figure out who's the DA. I try to figure out how the racist, er lawyers do their thing. I approach, ask to talk about my case. DA asks if I'm a lawyer, I say no, he says he can't talk to me. Wait, I was told by a cop that I could. Says to talk to the judge. The judge I get isn't one of the two (O'flarity & White) I'm told to avoid. He says you can plead guilty, no contest, come up then, he'll decide your penatly. Or you can plead not guilty and wait until the end to plead your case. I decide I'm saying not guilty. Let's review, I'm charged w/ "reckless", trooper said I wasn't "reckless". I watch the guitly get their fines, Judge Minor basically gives them out based on your previous record, if you've been good, might be waved. No real complaint's w/ him. Seemed like most reckless charges were getting $250, which isn't TOO bad. My turn, I go up there, make my case. Judge says he'll reduce the charge to speeding, no reduction in speed, because of my +5 record & having gone to traffic school (he didn't even ask to see the form) he'll reduce my fine from $200 to $100. I've gone from reckless, which would be on my record for 11 YEARS to speeding over 20 over, which is only 5 years, 6 points. I talked to a girl while waiting to pay my fine & court cost ($57), she went after me for the same thing, cept 62mph and had a +3 record. She got her's reduced to speeding, but a $200 fine. Then an older lady came in, she was clocked, same place, same twerp, doing 64mph on her way to the police officer in G'town that was shot's funeral. She had a lawyer. He got it down to 19mph over, which is still on her record for 5 years, but is only 4 points, not 6 point. So for ~$1500 I could've saved 2 points. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 8 19:21:13 2005 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 19:37:18 -0400 From: Bob McKeithen To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) at filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: Draggin' Jeans They are better than nothing. I crashed a pair and am convinced that they decreased the severity of my injuries. That said, the big draw-back for me is cost. Since I am a daily rider and had to wash them a couple of times a week the denim wears out pretty quickly. I eventually realized that I would go through four pairs a year. A decent pair of real riding pants would wind up costing less, offer more protection, and last way longer. As always YMMV Bob From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 9 18:55:50 2005 Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 18:55:41 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: roadrunnaz@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] airbag vest. discuss http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6750&item=7984538855&rd=1 who wants to be the ginea pig? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 9 21:26:43 2005 Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 21:26:29 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: roadrunnaz@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Bikejacking - 01 gsxr 1000 black/silver NEON PINK WHEELS Bikejacking - 01 gsxr 1000 black/silver NEON PINK WHEELS and some stickers are neon pink also, being ridden by a male. ( a female owns the bike) A second bike was jacked at the same time, a blue/white 03 gsxr 1000. bikes were said to have been seen at minnesota avenue and benning road areas. If you see this bike or both call the police immediately. Danny 240-353-9175 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 10 06:01:04 2005 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:00:53 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: *beep beep* Bikejacking - 01 gsxr 1000 black/silver NEON PINK WHEELS Well one of the bikes was recovered. The black with hot pink wheels. The idiot that robbed her for the bike decided to ride it around down U street in DC, and the previous owner (a bouncer) apprehended the robber. The suspect was about 20 years old, 140 pounds or so. That's all I heard. The second robber got away on the 04 blue/white gsxr 1000. It has a "GPS" brand steering damper over the tripple tree and micron pipe. They were stolen from laurel MD, rt1 and maine street. I heard word of like 2 or 3 other sport bike jackings recently. Mainly in DC. On 7/9/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > Bikejacking - 01 gsxr 1000 black/silver NEON PINK WHEELS > and some stickers are neon pink also, being ridden by a male. > ( a female owns the bike) > > A second bike was jacked at the same time, a blue/white 03 gsxr 1000. > > bikes were said to have been seen at minnesota avenue and benning road > areas. > > If you see this bike or both call the police immediately. > > Danny > 240-353-9175 > > > To get outta this group send a message to: > roadrunnaz-unsubscribe@XXXXXX > > BUT WHY? WE ARE THE BEST! > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Beep beep Fun Dvd region free > Region free dvd player > ________________________________ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "roadrunnaz" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > roadrunnaz-unsubscribe@XXXXXX > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > roadrunnaz-unsubscribe@XXXXXX > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > ________________________________ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 11 07:19:38 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 07:19:20 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Spam-Flag: NO Subject: [dc-cycles] MD to AK to MD Well we are back. Just a quick summary for now, there will be _much_ more later. 11,506 mi. on odometer. + about 30 mi. with a broken speedometer cable. + About 500 mi. on 3 ferries. For a total of about 12,035 mi. in 40 days. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 11 08:53:33 2005 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 05:53:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] MD to AK to MD To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX 300 miles a day, decent. Glenn --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > Well we are back. Just a quick summary for now, > there will be _much_ more > later. > > 11,506 mi. on odometer. > + about 30 mi. with a broken speedometer cable. > + About 500 mi. on 3 ferries. > > For a total of about 12,035 mi. in 40 days. > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 11 08:55:00 2005 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 05:54:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] airbag vest. discuss To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX That's pathetic. --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6750&item=7984538855&rd=1 > > who wants to be the ginea pig? > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 11 10:01:12 2005 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] airbag vest. discuss Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:00:52 -0400 I could just picture myself forgetting about the releases and jumping off my bike and ballooning up like the Michellan Man infront of all my "bad ass" Harley dudes. I'd go through 50 co2 cartridges in the first week. *sigh* -aki > > From: Glenn Dysart > Date: 2005/07/11 Mon AM 08:54:48 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] airbag vest. discuss > > That's pathetic. > > --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6750&item=7984538855&rd=1 > > > > who wants to be the ginea pig? > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: > http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 11 10:09:12 2005 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:08:50 -0400 From: skip To: adamme1@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] airbag vest. discuss that's exactly what I thought of. but it's not a bad idea... adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > I could just picture myself forgetting about the releases > and jumping off my bike and ballooning up like the Michellan Man infront of all my "bad ass" Harley dudes. > > I'd go through 50 co2 cartridges in the first week. *sigh* > > -aki > > > > > From: Glenn Dysart > > Date: 2005/07/11 Mon AM 08:54:48 EDT > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] airbag vest. discuss > > > > That's pathetic. > > > > --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6750&item=7984538855&rd=1 > > > > > > who wants to be the ginea pig? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! Mail > > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: > > http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 11 11:10:24 2005 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 11:09:38 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer To: DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Speedometer calibration A friend of mine recently got popped for 90 mph in a 55 mph zone on his bike, near Winchester, VA. According to everyone he's talked to (including the judge, bailliff, and clerk of court at the arraignment) he's looking at a real possibility of jail time, notwithstanding this is his first moving violation. Obviously, he's getting a lawyer and has several recommendations already. He'd also like to: 1) get his speedo calibrated; and 2) take an ERC course. He'll look to the MSF website for the ERC, but the speedo issue is more difficult to track down. I know that I had a difficult enough time of it with my car. Can anyone recommend a location that will calibrate the speedometer of a bike? Thanks, Aaron From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 11 12:02:38 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Speedometer calibration Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:02:26 -0400 I'd take Traffic School too and not an on-line version. I wanted to take an ERC before my court date, but couldn't find one. As for the speedo, everything I've heard says they normally read faster than you're actually going, which wouldn't help. I wouldn't waste the money. >From: Aaron Maurer >Reply-To: Aaron Maurer >To: DC-Cycles >Subject: [dc-cycles] Speedometer calibration >Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 11:09:38 -0400 > >A friend of mine recently got popped for 90 mph in a 55 mph zone on >his bike, near Winchester, VA. According to everyone he's talked to >(including the judge, bailliff, and clerk of court at the arraignment) >he's looking at a real possibility of jail time, notwithstanding this >is his first moving violation. > >Obviously, he's getting a lawyer and has several recommendations already. > >He'd also like to: 1) get his speedo calibrated; and 2) take an ERC >course. He'll look to the MSF website for the ERC, but the speedo >issue is more difficult to track down. I know that I had a difficult >enough time of it with my car. > >Can anyone recommend a location that will calibrate the speedometer of a >bike? > >Thanks, > >Aaron > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 11 12:19:48 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:19:35 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Speedometer calibration Aaron M relayed his tale of woe... A friend of mine recently got popped for 90 mph in a 55 mph zone ... He'd also like to: 1) get his speedo calibrated; and 2) take an ERC course. [Dave] Probably wasted money on the speedo. That might help if you were close to 80, the 'hard' reckless threshold, or 75 the '20 over' mark. Alas, your friend is not. If the lawyer recommends driver training as a way to mitigate the charge, then have your friend ask if moto specific class is what he wants, OR the DMV "driver reeducation propaganda course". Your friend is probably better served to ante up extra funds to the lawyer to actually challenge and fight your friend's criminal charge - motions for discovery, challenging the sufficiency of the evidence, commonwealth's chief (probably only) witness, etc. Not to mention that generally speaking moto speedometers are more often than not WAY optimistic - meaning it probably read close to 100 for that 90 mph performance award... Most importantly, I don't think anybody is going to fib on a calibration and it probably wouldn't go in your friend's favor. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 11 14:11:04 2005 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:10:29 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer To: Dave Yates Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Speedometer calibration Cc: DC-Cycles Rich and Dave are right on for this one... speedo is optimistic (reads higher than his actual speed), not pessimistic (which would be helpful in court). Oh well. On 7/11/05, Dave Yates wrote: > Aaron M relayed his tale of woe... > > A friend of mine recently got popped for 90 mph in a 55 mph zone ... > > He'd also like to: 1) get his speedo calibrated; and 2) take an ERC > course. > > [Dave] Probably wasted money on the speedo. That might help if you were close to 80, the 'hard' reckless threshold, or 75 the '20 over' mark. Alas, your friend is not. If the lawyer recommends driver training as a way to mitigate the charge, then have your friend ask if moto specific class is what he wants, OR the DMV "driver reeducation propaganda course". Your friend is probably better served to ante up extra funds to the lawyer to actually challenge and fight your friend's criminal charge - motions for discovery, challenging the sufficiency of the evidence, commonwealth's chief (probably only) witness, etc. > > Not to mention that generally speaking moto speedometers are more often than not WAY optimistic - meaning it probably read close to 100 for that 90 mph performance award... Most importantly, I don't think anybody is going to fib on a calibration and it probably wouldn't go in your friend's favor. > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 11 23:43:23 2005 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 20:43:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Speedometer calibration To: Aaron Maurer , DC-Cycles fast lane did this a few years back --tg --- Aaron Maurer wrote: > A friend of mine recently got popped for 90 mph in a 55 > mph zone on > his bike, near Winchester, VA. According to everyone > he's talked to > (including the judge, bailliff, and clerk of court at the > arraignment) > he's looking at a real possibility of jail time, > notwithstanding this > is his first moving violation. > > Obviously, he's getting a lawyer and has several > recommendations already. > > He'd also like to: 1) get his speedo calibrated; and 2) > take an ERC > course. He'll look to the MSF website for the ERC, but > the speedo > issue is more difficult to track down. I know that I had > a difficult > enough time of it with my car. > > Can anyone recommend a location that will calibrate the > speedometer of a bike? > > Thanks, > > Aaron > > Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) - http://www.murphygimer.com - http://www.mgtitlellc.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 11 23:44:24 2005 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 20:44:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Speedometer calibration To: rich hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX ah, but i've heard of bikes reading ~17 mph under. --- rich hall wrote: > I'd take Traffic School too and not an on-line version. > I wanted to take an > ERC before my court date, but couldn't find one. > > As for the speedo, everything I've heard says they > normally read faster than > you're actually going, which wouldn't help. I wouldn't > waste the money. > > >From: Aaron Maurer > >Reply-To: Aaron Maurer > >To: DC-Cycles > >Subject: [dc-cycles] Speedometer calibration > >Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 11:09:38 -0400 > > > >A friend of mine recently got popped for 90 mph in a 55 > mph zone on > >his bike, near Winchester, VA. According to everyone > he's talked to > >(including the judge, bailliff, and clerk of court at > the arraignment) > >he's looking at a real possibility of jail time, > notwithstanding this > >is his first moving violation. > > > >Obviously, he's getting a lawyer and has several > recommendations already. > > > >He'd also like to: 1) get his speedo calibrated; and > 2) take an ERC > >course. He'll look to the MSF website for the ERC, but > the speedo > >issue is more difficult to track down. I know that I > had a difficult > >enough time of it with my car. > > > >Can anyone recommend a location that will calibrate the > speedometer of a > >bike? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Aaron > > > > > Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) - http://www.murphygimer.com - http://www.mgtitlellc.com ____________________________________________________ Sell on Yahoo! Auctions )B– no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 12 08:42:08 2005 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 08:41:55 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Speedometer calibration Cc: rich hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Or even if it does read wildly optimistic because of a loose wire..."i knew i wasn't doing 200 mph as it said, and since i was goingaround the flow of traffic, i figured i was probably doing 10 over" doens't sound too unreasonable..to convict him of something lesser.. give school.. etc.. big diffeence between thumbing your nose at the law and making a mistake.. On 7/11/05, Tom Gimer wrote:> ah, but i've heard of bikes reading ~17 mph under. > > > --- rich hall wrote:> > > I'd take Traffic School too and not an on-line version.> > I wanted to take an> > ERC before my court date, but couldn't find one.> >> > As for the speedo, everything I've heard says they> > normally read faster than> > you're actually going, which wouldn't help. I wouldn't> > waste the money.> >> > >From: Aaron Maurer > > >Reply-To: Aaron Maurer > > >To: DC-Cycles > > >Subject: [dc-cycles] Speedometer calibration> > >Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 11:09:38 -0400> > >> > >A friend of mine recently got popped for 90 mph in a 55> > mph zone on> > >his bike, near Winchester, VA. According to everyone> > he's talked to> > >(including the judge, bailliff, and clerk of court at> > the arraignment)> > >he's looking at a real possibility of jail time,> > notwithstanding this> > >is his first movi g violation.> > >> > >Obviously, he's getting a lawyer and has several> > recommendations already.> > >> > >He'd also like to: 1) get his speedo calibrated; and> > 2) take an ERC> > >course. He'll look to the MSF website for the ERC, but> > the speedo> > >issue is more difficult to track down. I know that I> > had a difficult> > >enough time of it with my car.> > >> > >Can anyone recommend a location that will calibrate the> > speedometer of a> > >bike?> > >> > >Thanks,> > >> > >Aaron> > >> >> >> >> > > Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell)> - http://www.murphygimer.com> - http://www.mgtitlellc.com> > > > ____________________________________________________> Sell on Yahoo! Auctions )B– no fees. Bid on great items.> http://auctions.yahoo.com/> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 12 09:24:52 2005 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:24:45 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: roadrunnaz@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Thor knee pads group buy? I like these becuase they go above the knee as well. ( have this fear that in a get off my knee/lower thigh might hit the handle bars, or i'd tumble on my knee/s or do a light scrape on the pavement (ouch) and i'd rather it be a light bruise or no injury vs a broken leg or painful bruise or rash), these are no gaurantee but at least it's a try to prevent that. http://www.ridegear.com/cgi-bin/SoftCart.exe/store/product/F-10152_Force_Knee_Guards.html?L+scstore+wwfr5789ff214e21+1121198463 $35.99 small / medium $42.00 large/xl If the order is over $149 we'd each save $8.99 shipping by not ordering individually. Unless anyone knows of a better deal ? I can collect funds at wednesday nights cranberries gathering.. or if someone else is going to order something from ridegear.com let me know and i'll give you my $36 to order the knee gaurds. - Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 12 10:30:29 2005 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:30:23 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Thor knee pads group buy? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > I like these becuase they go above the knee as well. ( have this fear > that in a > get off my knee/lower thigh might hit the handle bars, or i'd tumble > on my knee/s or do a light scrape on the pavement (ouch) and i'd > rather it be a light bruise or no injury vs a broken leg or painful > bruise or rash), these are no gaurantee but at least it's a try to > prevent that. maybe I misunderstand your 'values' from what I've gleaned from your posts over the years but while the armor in question will no doubt render you into some sort of Judge Dredd you'll be hard pressed to find overpants to fit over them. They are intended to protect over the thinnest of pants as worn in offroad situations. Just like the upper body ones are worn what amounts to a T-shirt as far as protection is concerned. I've crash tested Ballistic pants at north of 85mph (and icy 65mph) and while I did suffer some lacerations in the former and almost nothing at all in the latter, the GP armor prevented bone breakage and more serious trauma. No matter what you do, if you crash then you'll get bruised. I had SIDI's Vertebrea race boots on and I couldn't walk for 2 days from the absolute pounding my feet suffered cartwheeling down the 8 lane highway. These knee/shin units won't do anything worthwhile with regard to scrapes. If you get scraped up it's because you're not wearing proper outerwear - ie. jeans don't provide a single lick of protection. I've watched people crash at <20mph in jeans and suffer mightily. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 12 14:26:28 2005 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:26:18 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Thor knee pads group buy? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Most of us aren't going to deck out in full race leathers.. especially in this heat.. a lot of us will wear jeans with no knee protection. I want something. You never know, a car might pull out and knock you into a MPH sign. I'd rather have something under my jeans. I'm not expecting these to make me invinsible, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out some padding is better than no padding, and some accidents it will prevent injuries and some accidents it won't. I at least want it for the ones where it will help. I'm confident they'll fit under my jeans, but if they won't, i may wear them outside of my jeans. I'd rather have protected knees then worry about what other people think. On 7/12/05, matthew patton wrote: > > I like these becuase they go above the knee as well. ( have this fear > > that in a > > get off my knee/lower thigh might hit the handle bars, or i'd tumble > > on my knee/s or do a light scrape on the pavement (ouch) and i'd > > rather it be a light bruise or no injury vs a broken leg or painful > > bruise or rash), these are no gaurantee but at least it's a try to > > prevent that. > > maybe I misunderstand your 'values' from what I've gleaned from your > posts over the years but while the armor in question will no doubt > render you into some sort of Judge Dredd you'll be hard pressed to find > overpants to fit over them. They are intended to protect over the > thinnest of pants as worn in offroad situations. Just like the upper > body ones are worn what amounts to a T-shirt as far as protection is > concerned. > > I've crash tested Ballistic pants at north of 85mph (and icy 65mph) and > while I did suffer some lacerations in the former and almost nothing at > all in the latter, the GP armor prevented bone breakage and more > serious trauma. No matter what you do, if you crash then you'll get > bruised. I had SIDI's Vertebrea race boots on and I couldn't walk for 2 > days from the absolute pounding my feet suffered cartwheeling down the > 8 lane highway. These knee/shin units won't do anything worthwhile with > regard to scrapes. If you get scraped up it's because you're not > wearing proper outerwear - ie. jeans don't provide a single lick of > protection. I've watched people crash at <20mph in jeans and suffer mightily. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 12 14:43:49 2005 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:44:27 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Cc: "Julian Halton" Subject: [dc-cycles] A little older; a little smarter So my little R6 was not taking this weather too well today. Even at highway speeds, the engine temp was around 190 fahrenheit. I was riding to the Franconia area. On my way back, I got on the ramp from 644 (Keene Mill) road. It is a nice sweeping curving ramp and I got leaned over and could feel the pull of wanting to lean harder and add throttle. The banks of the ramp are high enough to cut off visibility. So I am straightened and slowed. The end portion of the curve led to traffic at a dead stop waiting for the mixing bowl merge dance. Thanks MSF! I was able to stop in time and select a run off route had it been needed. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 12 15:46:57 2005 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:46:32 -0400 From: Tealkat6@XXXXXX (Steven C. Di Pietro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-AOL-Language: english Subject: [dc-cycles] Got a MC for sale? Hi al, Within 2 weeks I'll be getting the funds to buy another used motorcycle. Right now, I'm looking for something to used as a tour bike. I'd really like to get a new BMW K1200LT, but that's WAY, WAY out of MY budget, so I'm looking at 1980 Honda CB 900C. It's not quite what I wan't as it dosen't have a fairing or saddlebags. So, what do you have for sale? Steven C. Di Pietro Pasadena, Maryland __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 12 19:16:29 2005 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:16:20 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: roadrunnaz@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] best place to buy stands? I want a stand that uses spools in the rear and the front tripple tree tube in the front. Where's the best place to get these? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 12 20:20:41 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] best place to buy stands? Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:20:33 -0400 I just bought these: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4558867509 This auction is for a front & rear set of Thruster motorcycle stands, made in the U.S.A., manufactured by Speed Unlimited, makers of the famous Thruster line of BMX racing frames. The Thruster stands are made of large 1 1/2" steel tubing which not only makes these stands strong and sturdy but also light. With the turn of a bolt this stand is fully adjustable to fit most street, motorcross and touring bikes that have a double sided swing arm. The Thruster stand is universal and will accept bikes with or without spools by simply turning over the mounting bracket. The mounting bracket comes with a protective nylon sleeve to protect the swing arm from scratches. Other companies charge extra for a universal bracket to accept spooled and non spooled bikes, not us! We also welded a 4 inch skid plate on the bottom of the frame so when the frame is being tossed around the shop or scraped on the ground the main frame will not wear away. Our stands come with large, 4 inch wheels which have precision sealed bearings and high quality bolts with nylon lock nuts, not like some of the other stands on the market with cheap plastic wheels and poor quality hardware. Also, the handle comes with a comfortable rubber grip. This stand is solid and sturdy and you have a choice of a beautiful black finish with green wheels or a beautiful red finish with red wheels. Other stands of less quality sell for $150.00 or more for just a single stand! Check for yourself the quality of materials and standard features compared to other manufacturers. The Thruster stand is one of the highest quality stands on the market. No negative feedback bidders. Paypal and money orders only. Payment within 5 days of auction end. Winner pays shipping and handling charges. A low discounted shipping charge for a set of stands is $20.00 within most of the U.S. (Because we ship from the East some West Coast areas, Zones 6, 7 & 8 will be more). NY residents add 8% sales tax. International shipping will need to be determined. Winning bidder please specify choice of color at end of auction; if no color choice is given whatever is in stock at that time will be shipped. >From: Danny Motorcycle >Reply-To: Danny Motorcycle >To: roadrunnaz@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles >Subject: [dc-cycles] best place to buy stands? >Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:16:20 -0400 > >I want a stand that uses spools in the rear >and the front tripple tree tube in the front. > >Where's the best place to get these? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 13 14:00:18 2005 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:00:05 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] stolen tag alert from another list, http://www.dcsportbikes.com/forums/329021/ShowPost.aspx Maryland tag : 553M61 being used (getting photo tickets) on a yellow honda sportbike, the guy's helmet has a checkered flag centerstripe, and he otherwise wears shorts and T shirt. Can we say moron? other info: "cool, so we know it's a Honda F4i and the guy "may" be in the military...the first ticket was at the same exact location, 5400 block 16th street N W going south bound. Is there a military base in that area? The first ticket, he was wearing a yellow parka and had a WSC (washington sports club?) backpack on." From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 13 15:13:52 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:13:42 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Red Light Cameras I thought VA was taking them down/not using them. I just got a letter in the mail, with a fine for running one, by .56 seconds. Anyone know what's going on with them? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 13 15:27:51 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Red Light Cameras Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:27:44 -0400 I think mine was after that, unfortunately I already mailed it in. It was from the City of Falls Church btw. >From: skip >To: rich hall >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Red Light Cameras >Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:19:10 -0400 > >as of july 1 they are no longer legal > >rich hall wrote: > > > > I thought VA was taking them down/not using them. I just got a letter >in > > the mail, with a fine for running one, by .56 seconds. Anyone know >what's > > going on with them? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 13 15:28:55 2005 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:28:05 -0400 From: Paul Wilson To: rich hall Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Red Light Cameras Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Virginia's red light automated enforcement program expired on July 1st. The General Assembly chose not to extend it and the program "sunsetted." That doesn't stop them from dunning you for violations prior to July 1. Many jurisdictions claimed to have *lost* money on the program. Whether that's creative accounting or not, it stands in marked contrast to DC. According to a story in the Examiner, some jurisdictions (I think Falls Church was one) intend to keep the cameras in place for "research" purposes. Perhaps they can "research" how deploying flesh and blood LEOs at intersections affects red-light running. Or how many cell phone yakkers blow through red lights. Yes, I'm baaaack....... :) On 7/13/05, rich hall wrote: > I thought VA was taking them down/not using them. I just got a letter in > the mail, with a fine for running one, by .56 seconds. Anyone know what's > going on with them? > > > -- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR - 90 KLR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 13 15:34:31 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:27:37 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Red Light Cameras Rich: I thought VA was taking them down/not using them. I just got a letter in the mail, with a fine for running one, by .56 seconds. Anyone know what's going on with them? [Dave] Any citation issued after 1 July '05 FROM A CAMERA ONLY for running a red light is without the force of law. However, anything issued prior to 1 July is a legitimate infraction which you will need to defend yourself against. And no, they are not coming down. Every single jurisdiction has refused to remove them. I'm not aware if they're still snapping flashes and taking pictures but I did read more than one news quote from more than one camera jurisdiction that they intended to keep taking pictures to use as evidence of the need to re-implement camera enabling legislation again next year...and probably every year thereafter. One of the news shows did a story on Falls Church, who apparently use the cameras to delay an opposing green light while a car is about to run a red. That is pretty cool. If it was *really* all about the privacy concerns, all the groups who pushed for the General Assembly to not renew the legislation would not be suing the localities for not disabling the cameras... And If it was *really* all about safety, police officers who were running stationary radar would now be retasked to patrol these dangerous intersections... Where are the court cases and where is all the carnage? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 13 15:37:19 2005 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:36:58 -0400 From: skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Red Light Cameras Dave Yates wrote: One of the news shows did a story on Falls Church, who apparently use the cameras to delay an opposing green light while a car is about to run a red. That is pretty cool. you know what? that -is- cool. *that* is using it for 'safety' --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 13 16:17:07 2005 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:17:02 -0400 From: Robert To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Red Light Cameras My favorite speed sensing device is on a pole on the side of Wilson Blvd, in Falls Church going towards Ballston. Turns a light red at the bottom of the hill, if it detects a speed infraction. Of course, I turn to the right just before the traffic signal, so I suspect I may abuse this particular piece of technology just a wee bit.. ;-) Robert On 7/13/05, skip wrote: > > > Dave Yates wrote: > One of the news shows did a story on Falls Church, who apparently use > the cameras to delay an opposing green light while a car is about to run > a red. That is pretty cool. > > > you know what? that -is- cool. *that* is using it for 'safety' > > > --skip > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 13 17:31:24 2005 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:31:16 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] anyone have cortech luggage? I need to see if it'll fit on my SV. debating between going back to soft luggage vs going with Ventura Luggage again. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 13 19:02:15 2005 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:02:06 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: roadrunnaz@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Ebay Coupons eBay/PayPal coupon codes *YMMV* -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- eBay has a few coupons good for purchases made with paypal. $10 off $50 - CATLSP051050 $5 off $50 - CATLSP050550 $15 off $100 - CATLSP051500 10% off (Max. $25 discount) - CATLSP051025 Limit one use per coupon, per PayPal account. They all expire July 15th 2005. Buyer must pay for eBay item using PayPal - when in the PayPal payment screen just enter the coupon code. Highly Recommend you use your credit card with paypal for buyer protection, because paypal is crap as far as any kind of fraud protection with your purchase. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 13 19:33:25 2005 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:33:14 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] wheels powder coated in nova? a friend wants his wheels powder coated white (doh).. anyone know of a spot in NOVA? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 13 21:24:31 2005 From: "Bruce N" To: "Danny Motorcycle" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] wheels powder coated in nova? Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:23:48 -0400 X-EN-UserInfo: 491cc520d85f37050654855667ce7bc9:eef17f84dc61b2cfa83f34354b81b18b X-EN-AuthUser: bcn@XXXXXX http://www.ascoweb.com/ American Stripping in Manassas. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] wheels powder coated in nova? >a friend wants his wheels powder coated white (doh).. > anyone know of a spot in NOVA? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 13 22:33:38 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] wheels powder coated in nova? Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:25:30 -0400 From: "Hugh Caldwell" To: X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host=smtp.vzavenue.net These are the folks that powder coated my VFR wheels in 2000 and they've held up very well. Hugh -----Original Message----- From: Bruce N [mailto:bcn@XXXXXX] To: Danny Motorcycle; DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] wheels powder coated in nova? http://www.ascoweb.com/ American Stripping in Manassas. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danny Motorcycle" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] wheels powder coated in nova? >a friend wants his wheels powder coated white (doh).. > anyone know of a spot in NOVA? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 14 10:16:42 2005 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:16:32 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Hugh Caldwell Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] wheels powder coated in nova? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX thanks for all the responses. I'm assuming i have to bring them bear rims, no bearings? what did they charge you? On 7/13/05, Hugh Caldwell wrote: > These are the folks that powder coated my VFR wheels in 2000 and they've > held up very well. > > Hugh > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce N [mailto:bcn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 9:31 PM > To: Danny Motorcycle; DC-Cycles > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] wheels powder coated in nova? > > http://www.ascoweb.com/ > > American Stripping in Manassas. > > Bruce > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Danny Motorcycle" > To: "DC-Cycles" > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 7:33 PM > Subject: [dc-cycles] wheels powder coated in nova? > > > >a friend wants his wheels powder coated white (doh).. > > anyone know of a spot in NOVA? > > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 14 12:36:18 2005 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fTLSAcSSZ0OO+O1u10jMXNeYUto3esq3o4sX7x7rNLQdzlam7mw39A== From: "celticracing@XXXXXX" Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:34:55 GMT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-ContentStamp: 2:3:1382867511 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.167|webmail27.lax.untd.com|webmail27.lax.untd.com|celticracing@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] SPAM - 89 FORD E350 ONE TON VAN - $1,500/OBO - Woodbridge Please pardon the spam. I have two vans and need to get rid of one. A couple of years ago I purchased Randy Dalmas'89 Ford E350 one ton van for hauling stuff from the Home Depot and then to the Dump after I screwed up a project. I've already got my 97 E250, and just bought a Pace American open bed trailer from the Home Depot for Hauling heavy stuff, so the 89 van is surplus. I'm asking 1,500, which I think is fair, and less than the cost of the trailer. I will eventually sell it for best offer, so let me know what it is worth to you. I'll be around this weekend. I live near Potomac Mills in Woodbridge. (703) 244-6739 Thanks, Tom From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 14 14:52:32 2005 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:52:16 -0400 From: skip To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] This weekend I just found out about this. It looks like ot could be fun. I will be attending. http://www.hyper-fest.com/ an example of the fun to be had... ROLLOVER CONTEST | 6:00PM - 6:25PM (Main Track) Will you be the one to beat the defending champion? $500 Total Purse: Winner Take All!!!! Driver: Helmet and neck collar are required. Neck collars can be borrowed from the track. Eye protection is required with face shield or goggles. Driver must wear long pants, long sleeve t-shirt and gloves of some kind. Drivers must be 18 years old. Exhaust must be removed from the catalytic converter back. Cat MUST be removed! Coolant must be replaced with pure water. Stock fuel tanks must be used. Maximum of three gallons in tank. External modifications to the car are NOT permitted. Contest Rules: Points will be awarded based on total number of rotations. If the car stops on the roof, a )B½ point will be awarded. Each participant will get two attempts and their scores will be combined for a total score. If a car stalls during a run, the driver has sixty seconds to restart. If the driver is unable to restart, he loses his turn. From the starting point, cars will proceed towards a small ramp placing either their right or left tire on the ramp. As the car elevated, the driver should turn the wheel causing the car to roll over. Failure to roll the car still counts as one attempt. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 14 16:08:31 2005 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:08:24 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] looking for that 3M heavy duty plastic sheeting I've been out of DC for a few years. I guess it's very much akin to the headlight protective film you can get for cars and such. My intention is to protect bodywork. Just lookup my local pepboys/autozone then? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 14 22:06:23 2005 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:06:09 -0400 From: Thomas Jordan To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] This weekend We've got two rollover cars for the competition. One is in its third (or is it fourth?) year, and the other is in its second year. Amazingly, we have been able to re-use them with minor fixes. I'm sitting this one out and letting a friend use my rollover car. I'm going to work on making a car for the drift competition tomorrow (instead of actually working...) The Hyperfest is a good time if you like poorly organized very large events full of stupidity and not to big on safety.But hey, that's NASA in a nutshell. On 7/14/05, skip wrote: > I just found out about this. It looks like ot could be fun. I will be > attending. > > http://www.hyper-fest.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 15 07:19:11 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 07:19:01 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Language: en Subject: [dc-cycles] Shituff we used on the trip to AK Some notes on the gear I used on our AK trip. Much of it was purchased just for this trip. I may think of other stuff later. The bike itself: The ST was of course not purchased for this trip, I purchased the 1983 R80RT, back in 83, for this trip. The bike itself was wonderful and while not the perfect bike for the AK highway (Any adventure tour (think BMWs GS series) would be better) The ST did itself proud. The one thing I would/should have done it to upgrade the rear suspension, between having over 60k miles on the old one and the fact that the stock one was never up to our riding two up much less with a full load of gear I just should have done it. (The over $400 cost was one reason I did not) Tires: I average somewhere between 9 and 10k on a rear tire riding solo. I knew that this trip was going to be well over 10k and two up with gear. The math was not hard to do, I was going to need a tire somewhere along the way. I had planned to run the old tire as far as it would go and replace it somewhere up in the northwest hopefully at the last big city and decided early on to replace it in Calgary about 3k into the trip. Unfortunately 90mi. from Calgary I had a tread separation flat, a real nasty flat that my repair kit stood no chance of repairing, you could slip three fingers through the slit between the tread and the carcass. When all was said and done this was by far the most expensive tire/installation I have ever purchased. The part that bugs me is that I truly think I could have prevented the problem, not by following the "rules," I did that, but by using what I know about tires, and I did not do that. I knew that I was running heavy, technically overloaded. and I just set the rear pressure to Hondas recommended pressure and left it at that. What I _should_ have done was keep track of the tire _temperature._ When I did that (on the new tire) I found out that at the recommended pressure the tire was running HOT, very hot. When I added 6 to 8psi. of pressure the tire ran _much_ cooler. Had I checked tire temperature and adjusted the pressure early on I really believe the tire would not have failed. Live and learn. The test is that even after 8,900mi. on the new tire I still have useable tread on the new tire even with the load I was carrying. Nandy alarm _with_ pager: Not installed for this trip but for work in downtown DC, it was never the less _very_ nice to have when in a motel room out of sight of the bike. The one or two times the pager woke me up with a false (assumed false) alarm was more them made up for by the rest I got by not worrying about the bike/trailer. I love the pager. (Fun fact, The alarm makes a "chirp" when activated or deactivated. At least twice someone looked around in the trees to see what kind of bird it was and once someone whistled back at the "bird," strange but true.) Intercom: Autocom Easi-7-advance. We knew we would need a good intercom for this trip and spent some time selecting what we wanted. I could not be happier with the unit I wound up with then I am. We chose the free standing unit with its own battery (9v) I liked the fact that it was not mounted to the bike and subject to wear and tear even when not in use. As of now it is sitting in the garage "resting" until I need it again. It is small and often I just put it in the pocket of my jacket, but mostly kept it in a "fanny pack" that I called the communications center. The unit allows for hooking up a radio or mp3 player (we had both) _and_ allows hooking up a cell phone to the "master" headset. I do not really want a cell phone in my ear so Angela was the "master" Normally we would never want to "be in touch" on a vacation like this one but being gone for 6 or 7 weeks and with my mother in somewhat frail health I did not want to be out of touch. (which brings up) My cell phone: SUCKS!! My cell phone has _no_ service in Canada, I expected that and nearly bought another phone to work there but decided not to. I would have purchased another phone/provider if I had realized that I would have no coverage in Alaska! I expected to have coverage there, at least in the major cities, but hell no. (I could have checked, all I had to do was type in the zip code to see if I would have coverage. All I had to do was type in the HUNDREDS of zip codes I would be traveling through...) Tall windshield: Actually Angela was the one getting buffeted with the stock windshield so I installed a 4" taller one. It did a great job of keeping the wind off of her and the bugs off of me. (I do not even want to think about what it is going to take to clean all of the bugs off of it.) Heli Bars: While I cannot put a finger on it these made a big difference for me. The pain that has always developed in my right elbow during rides of any length on the ST never reared its ugly head. Adjusting them was a pain but only in the sense that infinite adjustability requires infinite decisions. (odd note: My 1976 Triumph Bonneville (750) had, of course, Triumph Bonneville handlebars and I loved them. My next bike a Suzuki GS850G had bars that were close, but no prize so I put Bonneville bars on it. BMW R80RT? I was not as easy but I put Bonneville bars on it also. I had the BMW so long that I had forgotten about the bars and never thought about trying to find a set for the ST. The point is that after all of the adjusting I think I have turned the Heli Bars into Triumph Bars. Whoda thunk it? Camelbak: We got a 1 1/2 Liter Camelbak. With an official Camelbak extension tube we were able to mount it to the top of the trunk and still drink while riding. It was quite nice to be able to drink while riding. The real reason was that having lived in a desert makes me want to have water along just in case we broke down in the middle of nowhere. The "proof of the pudding" was when we stopped to see if we could help a biker broken down on the side of the road (flat tire, unfortunately he had tubes so I could not help.) The first thing he asked was "do you have anything to drink," he had been out there quite a while without water. We were able to give him a drink and filling a ziplock bag with our remaining water were able to leave him with some. A good thing to have along. Trailer hitch: This was the trailer component I was worried about, it looked a little lightweight for the job but it performed flawlessly. Wiring adapter: to go from separate turn signals to shared brake/turn lights on the trailer. No problems at all. (I would have thought that a trailer made for bike would have separate turn and brake bulb systems, but what do I know...) And that brings up... The damn trailer: In fairness I purchase the cheapest trailer I could find and I "got what I paid for" The trailer in function was wonderful! We quickly arranged things so that it just contained all of our camping gear so that when staying in motels we never had to open it. (OK there was always one damn thing..) It was great and I loved having the space without having all of our gear on the bike itself. And chaining the trailer to a tree gave me a place to lock stuff up in a campsite when out doing touristy things. But it broke. On the Alaska Highway, admittedly a rough road, the frame broke. The whole body of the trailer drooped down until the tires were rubbing the wheel wells. I had it welded and reinforced. (when I saw that it was broken I was not 50)B’ from a welding shop) It broke again before Fairbanks. I called the manufacturer and they sent me a _new frame_ even adding gussets to reinforce it. (I volunteered to pay for shipping since I wanted it overnight, $260 for shipping red label to AK...OW!!!) About 5,000mi. later it broke again. On one of the flattest, smoothest, straightest, boringest roads in the US of A. I-90 through SD, WY, MN. Another extra night in a motel, another welding job. (by some folks who _really_ know their shituff) The frame is just _badly_ engineered (keep in mind that I have 11 years as a steel worker and 8 as a mechanic.) The member that broke (the same member every time, never in the same place) carries every bit of the stress on the trailer and is flimsy thin material installed in the weakest possible way, a mistake an amateur should not have made. They need to go back to the drawing board with the frame. If they offer me a new one I will refuse. Flashlights: Ever hear the one about "useless as (how do I say this) um... mammarys on a bull"? Well flashlights are even more useless in Alaska in the summertime. I had, if you include my propane lantern, no less then 4 of them. Useless... Freeze dried food: We did not use a lot of this but what we used was really quite good (we especially like the beef stroganoff.) When you consider the cost of even fast food it is not very expensive and with the "cook in the bag" type we used there was virtually no clean up. This stuff is a bit bulky what with being the same size before cooking as after, but weighs darn near nothing. (Those bags are tough, our food bag/soft cooler was located on the trailer tongue and the freeze dried food bags were unprotected under straps on the front of the bag _directly_ behind the rear wheel. There were times when you could not have known what was under the straps without removing layers of mud.) Ziplock bags: I love Ziplock bags BUT contrary to popular belief they are _not_ waterproof. I only lost some dry food this trip because I already knew better then to trust them with anything valuable from pas experiences, but take the warning. Do not depend on Ziplocks to protect electronics or valuables that can be damaged by water. They will afford some splash resistance but will leak if exposed to water for any length of time. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 15 07:26:55 2005 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 07:26:48 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Shituff we used on the trip to AK > (Fun fact, The alarm makes a "chirp" > when activated or deactivated. At least twice someone looked around in the > trees to see what kind of bird it was and once someone whistled back at the > "bird," strange but true.) Ah, Grasshopper - you missed a sterling opportunity to see just how long you could have the person whistling at your motorcycle :-) -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 15 07:35:31 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 07:35:20 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Shituff we used on the trip to AK To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/15/2005 7:27:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mjordan812@XXXXXX writes: > Ah, Grasshopper - you missed a sterling opportunity to see just how > long you could have the person whistling at your motorcycle :-) What makes you think that? #:-) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 15 10:16:50 2005 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:16:40 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls I wanted to put this out there, although the published details are still sketchy. A long time friend of mine - Scott Hirons - is fighting a battle to keep HOV lanes from becoming HOT (toll) lanes. His website for the effort is http://www.savehov.org. He has just made me aware that HOT lanes will not allow motorcycles to travel for free, they will have to pay tolls, losing their High Occupancy status. I know the plan on 495 is to build new lanes for HOT, but I assume they will be stealing or converting taxpayer funder HOV lanes on 395 and inside 66. I am uneducated on the issue, but I do have concerns about the new HOT lanes allowing multiple passenger vehicles to ride for free while ignoring motorcycles; losing ground on an issue we so recently won. You can email Scott directly for more information on the issue : scott@XXXXXX - he welcomes any input. -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 Fax 703.392.4665 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 15 10:36:19 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:36:10 -0400 Sounds like we need to go to AMA and get them working on it. >From: Mike Troutman >Reply-To: mike@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls >Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:16:40 -0400 > >I wanted to put this out there, although the published details are still >sketchy. A long time friend of mine - Scott Hirons - is fighting a battle >to keep HOV lanes from becoming HOT (toll) lanes. His website for the >effort is http://www.savehov.org. He has just made me aware that HOT lanes >will not allow motorcycles to travel for free, they will have to pay tolls, >losing their High Occupancy status. I know the plan on 495 is to build new >lanes for HOT, but I assume they will be stealing or converting taxpayer >funder HOV lanes on 395 and inside 66. > >I am uneducated on the issue, but I do have concerns about the new HOT >lanes allowing multiple passenger vehicles to ride for free while ignoring >motorcycles; losing ground on an issue we so recently won. > >You can email Scott directly for more information on the issue : >scott@XXXXXX - he welcomes any input. > >-- >___________________________________ >Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/ > Home 703.392.1066 > Cell 703.565.4801 > Fax 703.392.4665 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 15 10:50:46 2005 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:50:21 -0400 From: skip To: mail@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] HOV/HOT lanes Dear Delegate Black, I am writing you today to share my concerns regarding the move to create HOT lanes. It has come to my attention that the current plan is to remove motorcycle's high occupancy status with regards to HOT lanes. Presently, motorcycles are considered "high occupancy" and are permitted to use HOV lanes. Motorcycles, in wide use in the rest of the world, are a very economical mode of transportation. They are extremely fuel efficient, with many models getting 45-50 miles per gallon. They cause significantly less were and tear to the roads they travel, mostly because instead of weighing in at two or three thousand pounds, they generally weigh less than 600 pounds, and their small size makes motorcycle parking very space efficient; you can easily park four motorcycles in one car parking spot. When people see a motorcycle in the HOT lane, rolling along at the speed limit and paying no toll while they are sitting in traffic, they will consider commuting on one, and with every motorcycle on the road saving 20-40 miles per gallon and reducing wear on the highways, we all win. I urge you to not allow the high occupancy status of motorcycles to be removed regarding HOV/HOT lanes. Respectfully, Arthur C Smith, IV 733 Sugarland Run Dr Sterling, VA 20164 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 15 12:37:59 2005 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:37:54 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls My understanding of all of this mess is that: 1. HOV remains in force - no changes 2. HOT only pertains to drivers that do not qualify for HOV 3. Motorcycles in HOV are a Federal mandate -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 15 12:50:03 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:49:52 -0400 Does anyone know someone that rides in a state w/ HOT lanes, we could just ask how it is there? I think Cali already has them. >From: Michael Jordan >Reply-To: Michael Jordan >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls >Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:37:54 -0400 > >My understanding of all of this mess is that: > >1. HOV remains in force - no changes >2. HOT only pertains to drivers that do not qualify for HOV >3. Motorcycles in HOV are a Federal mandate > >-- >Michael J. >'86 SRX-6 >'93 GSX1100G >'03 DL1000 >AMA >IBA #3901 >USAF (Ret) >NRA >etc. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 15 12:57:48 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:57:36 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls Rich asked: Does anyone know someone that rides in a state w/ HOT lanes, we could just ask how it is there? I think Cali already has them. [Dave] No, but we need look no further than Baltimore to see what can happen when you put a toll booth on an already congested interstate; Gridlock. Wherever they decide to put the booths will be yet another choke point on the capital beltway. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 15 13:00:43 2005 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:00:35 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls At 12:57 PM 7/15/2005, Dave Yates wrote: >Rich asked: > >Does anyone know someone that rides in a state w/ HOT lanes, we could just >ask how it is there? I think Cali already has them. > >[Dave] No, but we need look no further than Baltimore to see what can happen >when you put a toll booth on an already congested interstate; Gridlock. > >Wherever they decide to put the booths will be yet another choke point on the >capital beltway. ..I'm still trying to figure how they put tolls on an federally funded interstate highway and got away with it. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 15 13:07:40 2005 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:07:30 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls From Scott : At a public hearing last night they had a .PPT that said directly Motorcycles pay tolls. I was hoping they'd post that presentation, but I have doubts they ever will. They also stated the fact - just in case the audience couldn't read it. Anway here are links to information about the HOT Lane proposals: http://www.virginiadot.org/projects/ppta-I-95_I-395HOTLanesAP.asp - from there you can get to each of the proposals. Virginia currently allow motorcycles to use HOV free of charge anytime of the day. There is no legislation that would expire that exemption at anytime. However the legislation that allows for public-private partnerships (i.e. what gives the state power to push through HOT Lanes) allows the corporations to set the rules on the HOV. Both Flour and Clark proposals eliminate motorcycle exemptions - or rather allows them to be charged the standard toll. Michael Jordan wrote: >My understanding of all of this mess is that: > >1. HOV remains in force - no changes >2. HOT only pertains to drivers that do not qualify for HOV >3. Motorcycles in HOV are a Federal mandate > > > -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 Fax 703.392.4665 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 15 13:14:34 2005 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:14:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I think I can answer that question. Roads such as the PA turnpike were toll roads before the Interstate system went into effect. Same with the Richmond tolls that used to exist. --- Aki Damme wrote: > ..I'm still trying to figure how they put tolls on > an federally funded > interstate highway and got away with it. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 15 13:19:19 2005 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:19:04 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls rich hall wrote: > Does anyone know someone that rides in a state w/ HOT lanes, we could > just ask how it is there? I think Cali already has them. > Don't know anyone, but I read an article in the Post. The HOT lanes there are always in gridlock, but not as bad as the main lanes. HOT here is the worst idea. Go to trafficland.com and check out the cameras on 95. On most Fridays the HOV's are in gridlock for 1-2 miles, due in part to people who know there isn't (really) any enforcement on Fridays. And at about 8:30am people clog up the HOV's, knowing there won't be any enforcement at that time. Those damn "hybrids" need to be booted off too. This is just another way for a government to make money. I'm going to do what I can to stop the HOT lanes, at least on 95. This is one battle I'll join, tom de 03 ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 15 13:23:40 2005 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:23:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] EZ-Pass in MD Anyone seen this yet? http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=30&sid=543145 ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 15 13:27:49 2005 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:27:38 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls De Boeser, Tom wrote: > Those damn "hybrids" need to be booted off too. > This is just another way for a government to make money. I'm going > to do what I can to stop the HOT lanes, at least on 95. Hybrids are supposed to be much more fuel efficient. If you argue against hybrids being on HOV, you are efffectively arguing against motorcycles as well. Our saving grace is that we also take up less room parking and cause less wear to the roads. But I believe the MPG argument got us on HOV in the first place. Of course real world figures show the hybrids are vaporware in terms of MPG. -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 Fax 703.392.4665 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 15 13:39:05 2005 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:38:55 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls Mike Troutman wrote: > De Boeser, Tom wrote: > >> Those damn "hybrids" need to be booted off too. >> This is just another way for a government to make money. I'm going >> to do what I can to stop the HOT lanes, at least on 95. > > > Hybrids are supposed to be much more fuel efficient. If you argue > against hybrids being on HOV, you are efffectively arguing against > motorcycles as well. Our saving grace is that we also take up less > room parking and cause less wear to the roads. But I believe the MPG > argument got us on HOV in the first place. Of course real world > figures show the hybrids are vaporware in terms of MPG. If I weren't so lazy I'd find all the articles on how inefficient hybrids are. Their advertised MPG is not their actual. My VW TDI does as well if not better than the "hybrids" in real life. I wouldn't have an issue with hybrids if they didn't use gasoline. The plate they get in VA is "Clean Special Fuel". Tom de 03 ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 15 13:42:40 2005 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:42:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX What's funny is the hybrids such as the Toyota Prius (or cars that use Toyota's technology) do best in the congested stop and go traffic of the regular lanes as their brakes regenerate electricity for the electric motor. When they are moving 55+ they are no better or maybe not as good as a regular compact car. Glenn --- Mike Troutman wrote: > Hybrids are supposed to be much more fuel efficient. > If you argue against hybrids being on HOV, you are > efffectively arguing against motorcycles as well. > Our saving grace is that we also take up less room > parking and cause less wear to the roads. But I > believe the MPG argument got us on HOV in the first > place. Of course real world figures show the > hybrids are vaporware in terms of MPG. > -- __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 15 14:02:30 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:02:16 -0400 Only let EZPass in the lanes then. And set the friggin speed limit higher than 35mph for entry, urg. >From: "Dave Yates" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls >Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:57:36 +0000 > >Wherever they decide to put the booths will be yet another choke point on >the capital beltway. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 15 14:03:57 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:03:46 -0400 I don't exactly get the greatest milage on the bike. >From: Mike Troutman >Reply-To: mike@XXXXXX >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls >Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:27:38 -0400 > >De Boeser, Tom wrote: > >>Those damn "hybrids" need to be booted off too. >> This is just another way for a government to make money. I'm going to >>do what I can to stop the HOT lanes, at least on 95. > >Hybrids are supposed to be much more fuel efficient. If you argue against >hybrids being on HOV, you are efffectively arguing against motorcycles as >well. Our saving grace is that we also take up less room parking and cause >less wear to the roads. But I believe the MPG argument got us on HOV in >the first place. Of course real world figures show the hybrids are >vaporware in terms of MPG. >-- >___________________________________ >Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/ > Home 703.392.1066 > Cell 703.565.4801 > Fax 703.392.4665 > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 15 14:04:56 2005 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:04:48 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Ride To Work Day July 20, 2005 ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Ride To Work Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:28:24 UT Ride To Work Day July 20, 2005

Press Release: For Immediate Release
Date: 7/15/2005
Subject: Ride To Work Day 2005

Motorcycle and Scooter Ride to Work Day is this Wednesday

Motorcycle and scooter riders)B’ 14th annual commuting day is Wednesday, July 20th. Participation in the yearly demonstration is estimated to triple the number of riders on the road. Motorcycle and scooter groups and organizations actively encourage riders to commute by cycle on this day. On Ride to Work Day, motorcycle and scooter commuters seek improved employer recognition and support for this form of transportation and increased public and government awareness of the positive value of riding.

Adding more motorcycles and scooters to everyone)B’s daily commute makes urban parking easier and traffic flow better, according to Ride to Work, a non-profit advocacy organization. Studies have also shown that across the same distances motorcyclists reach their destinations faster than those using automobiles. Many motorcycles and scooters also consume less resources per mile than automobiles. “Riding to work on this day is fun and shows the positive value of motorcycling. For many people, riding is a socially responsible form of mobility that saves energy, helps the environment and provides a broad range of other public benefits,” stated Andy Goldfine, this year’s event organizer.

Ride to Work Day, a 501 c4 nonprofit organization, can be reached at:
POB 1072, Proctor, Minnesota, 55810 USA
http://www.ridetowork.org
218 722 9806
Ride to Work Day Mission Statement:
To advocate and support the use of motorcycles for transportation, and to provide information about transportation riding to the public.
Participating Ride to Work Day Countries:
Germany, Philippines, England, Germany, Israel, Turkey, Ecuador, United States, and many others.
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Sample issues of 'The Daily Rider':
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A brief history of Ride to Work Day:
http://www.ridetowork.org/docs/2004history.html
A transportation motorcycling and scootering fact sheet:
http://www.ridetowork.org/docs/2005trans_facts.html
Motorcycle and scooter commuting ads, illustrations, and RTW Day artwork:
http://www.ridetowork.org/pages.php?pageid=8
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From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 15 14:04:57 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] EZ-Pass in MD Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:04:43 -0400 "We've had cars go through as fast as 80 mph and that simply isn't safe," says Kittleman. Wonder what's the fastest they've had a bike go through at? >From: Glenn Dysart >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: [dc-cycles] EZ-Pass in MD >Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:23:27 -0700 (PDT) > >Anyone seen this yet? > >http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=30&sid=543145 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 15 16:19:44 2005 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:18:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls From: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > What's funny is the hybrids such as the Toyota Prius > (or cars that use Toyota's technology) do best in the > congested stop and go traffic of the regular lanes as > their brakes regenerate electricity for the electric > motor. When they are moving 55+ they are no better or > maybe not as good as a regular compact car. > > Glenn We recently got a Prius for the wife, its been averaging 47mpg on the commute from Leesburg to National and local driving. The interior volume of the car is in the same class as the Accord, Passat, and Camry according to the EPA. They don't get their best mileage in congested traffic. They do make the biggest impact in fuel usage and pollution though. You guys should relax though, they loose their HOV privelages July 1, 2006. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 15 18:08:48 2005 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:08:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Jonathan Broga To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Anyone seen Sean Jordan? Looking to see if Sean Jordan is back in the area or lurking on the list . . . if you have his contact info you could e-mail me off line - Thanks! Jonathan Broga __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 15 20:10:25 2005 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:17:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Shituff we used on the trip to AK To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" Thanks! Interesting post and good information. I had a front tube-tire blowout at high speed a couple of years ago. I kept the bike up (it was a straight section of road) and when i pulled over the tire was too hot to touch. This was at 34 psi, riding solo on a 750, but it was a scorching hot day. Higher pressure would have helped, i think. Stopping to check tire temp would have been a good idea, too. --garcia "Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." ~ Hermann Goering, President of the Reichstag, Nazi Party, and Luftwaffe Commander in Chief From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 16 10:38:34 2005 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 10:38:23 -0400 From: "Dr. Corona" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I have a Prius and it gets about 15 MPG better than my motorcycle. I currently commute from Leesburg to Martinsburg WV and get about 53 MPG. There is a little learning curve, when I first got the car I was getting about 40-45 MPG. I do not think the MPG numbers are more inflated for hybrids than any other vehicle. I get tired of hearing how crappy my mileage really is, how bad the performance is, and what a poor buying decsion I made from people that have never owned/driven a hybrid. On another note, I was under the impression HOV lanes were implemented to help with pollution, not congestion. If that is the case then PZEV's(partial zero emissions vehicles), hybrid or not should have a place on HOV lanes. -Norris On 7/15/05, dan@XXXXXX wrote: > > What's funny is the hybrids such as the Toyota Prius > > (or cars that use Toyota's technology) do best in the > > congested stop and go traffic of the regular lanes as > > their brakes regenerate electricity for the electric > > motor. When they are moving 55+ they are no better or > > maybe not as good as a regular compact car. > > > > Glenn > > We recently got a Prius for the wife, its been averaging 47mpg on the > commute from Leesburg to National and local driving. The interior volume > of the car is in the same class as the Accord, Passat, and Camry according > to the EPA. > > They don't get their best mileage in congested traffic. They do make the > biggest impact in fuel usage and pollution though. You guys should relax > though, they loose their HOV privelages July 1, 2006. > > Dan > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 16 10:47:29 2005 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 10:47:23 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: DC-Cycles , VStrom List Subject: [dc-cycles] Crossposted from the LDRider list - New Buell Buell is supposedly unveiling an adventure bike of some sort at the show next week. I think they worded it "adventure sport bike"..... See the teaser ad here http://www.buell.com/en_us/index_teaser.asp -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 16 12:38:27 2005 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:38:23 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "list-mc-trials" , "list-dcoffroad" CC: "list-potomacvintageriders@XXXXXX" , "list-nvtr" , "list-Yamaha_TY_Trials" , "Annable, Roger" , "List-dc cycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Mick Andrews Vintage Trials Schools We have two vintage Trials Schools coming up, July 23 & 24, in Monrovia, Maryland, near Frederick (about an hour NW of Washington, DC). Mick Andrews, former World Champion, will be teaching a novice/intermediate course Saturday, and an intermediate/advanced course Sunday. The cost is $80 for each day. Mick was champion on the Ossa bike, which if I recall correctly became the Ossa MAR (Mick Andrews Replica). Mick was instrumental in designing the Yamaha TY250 of the early 1970's. Riders with these bikes may enjoy the school even more. Mick is a very good teacher, and tells a good story, too. I guarantee you'll have a good time, and you'll learn a lot about riding vintage Trials, too. We have a couple openings on Saturday, and several openings on Sunday. For more information, call 703-533-0743 (talk to Buz) or 703-217-1679 (talk to Chris), or email buzbrinig[at]his[dot]com or chris01[at]toward[dot]com Be sure to put "Trials" in the subject line. thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 16 13:46:59 2005 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 13:45:20 -0400 From: smthng else To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] FS: New Yamaha oil filters Due to a slight screw up on someone's part, I recieved two new Yamaha oil filters that do not fit my FJR. They are new and in the box, ready for pickup by anyone who needs them and doesn't mind paying what I was charged for them. They are part number 5GH-13440-00 and according to the box, they fit: MC: 2000+ R1, R6, FZS1000, FZ6S, FZ6-N, "etc." ATV: YFM400A, SMB: RX10, RM10M, etc WV: FX1000, etc. outboard engine: F9.9/15/20/25/30/40/50/80/100/115 FL115 FT9.9/25/50 etc. If I'm reading that right, all you R1, R6, FZ1 or FZ6 owners should be good with this. If anyone wants them, I'm asking $16 for the pair. I'm in Springfield, but don't mind meeting somewhere as long as the distance is reasonable. Feel free to respond off-list if you're interested. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 16 17:16:43 2005 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:16:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom De Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Crossposted from the LDRider list - New Buell To: DC-Cycles --- Michael Jordan wrote: > Buell is supposedly unveiling an adventure bike of > some sort at the show > next week. I think they worded it "adventure sport > bike"..... > I like Buell, its good to see them doing the things they have been over the last few years. Lots of different thinking - puts the other makers on guard. Tom de - home on a good ride day with a bad back :( 03 ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 16 17:19:00 2005 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:18:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom De Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls To: dan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > They don't get their best mileage in congested > traffic. They do make the > biggest impact in fuel usage and pollution though. > You guys should relax > though, they loose their HOV privelages July 1, > 2006. > > Dan > > I remember hearing something about them loosing HOV privelages, but I thought I must be a bad joke... Tom de 03 ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 17 22:43:07 2005 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 22:43:04 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: David Blumgart Subject: [dc-cycles] Experienced and ready to ride From a Sunday listing on the DC Craigslist MC sales page: "Brand new Black Ninja 250R. I bought the bike a month ago. I bought the bike to learn on and get my license. I am selling it because I am getting a CBR. The bike has only 450 miles on it and nicely broken in...." Let's get a pool going. How long 'til this squidlette crunches his CBR. I've got August 1st... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 18 06:31:29 2005 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 06:31:21 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Experienced and ready to ride >> "Brand new Black Ninja 250R. I bought the bike a month ago. I bought the >> bike to learn on and get my license. I am selling it because I am getting a >> CBR. The bike has only 450 miles on it and nicely broken in...." > > Let's get a pool going. How long 'til this squidlette crunches his > CBR. I've got August 1st... Maybe s/he's a fast learner. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 18 07:53:50 2005 To: DC Cycles From: Randy Moran Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:53:37 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Psycho Driver Alert: VA JMT-4248 (Almost) ran into a doozy on Halfway Road yesterday evening. Five friends and I had started down halfway when we came up on a small pickup truck. I figured he was trouble even before we knew for sure. A blue Ford Ranger with a cap on the bed. On the back window, in large homemade block letters it said, "What's the Rush?" Two more stickers (also appearing to be homemade) on the window said, "If you're in a hurry don't follow me," and some other "Slow Down"-themed message. True to form, the guy's doing about ten mph below the limit. Anyway, our lead rider passed in the passing zone near Hill school to which our hero responded by swerving into the the other lane. I had to wait and reassess, which meant the I was into the double yellow by the time I had a clear spot. The truck guy attempted to have me rear end him by jamming on his breaks, them moved into the middle of the road to block any passing. I went around him anyway and he moved over a little more, which caused a little consternation on my part. The rest of our guys thought better of trying to pass an obviously enraged psychopath, so the two of us waited at the BP in The Plains for the rest of them to arrive. Truck guy arrived a few minutes later, pointing at us and screaming obscenities. We invited him to get out of his truck which he did. I "explained" to him the what he was doing is one day going to kill someone, but he seemed oblivious. He told us that we need to slow down and that, "you crotchrocket cocksuckers think you're God." He was wearing an SCCA flaggers uniform, so I'm guessing he was on his way home from a weekend car race at Summit. Anyway, this one is dangerous, so look for the truck described above, bearing VA tags JMT-4248. Avoid. He obviously has some issues with bikes. RPM From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 18 08:15:49 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Psycho Driver Alert: VA JMT-4248 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:15:37 -0400 Are you telling the local authorities as well as us? >From: Randy Moran >To: DC Cycles >Subject: [dc-cycles] Psycho Driver Alert: VA JMT-4248 >Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:53:37 -0400 > >(Almost) ran into a doozy on Halfway Road yesterday evening. Five friends >and I had started down halfway when we came up on a small pickup truck. I >figured he was trouble even before we knew for sure. A blue Ford Ranger >with a cap on the bed. On the back window, in large homemade block letters >it said, "What's the Rush?" Two more stickers (also appearing to be >homemade) on the window said, "If you're in a hurry don't follow me," and >some other "Slow Down"-themed message. True to form, the guy's doing about >ten mph below the limit. Anyway, our lead rider passed in the passing zone >near Hill school to which our hero responded by swerving into the the >other lane. I had to wait and reassess, which meant the I was into the >double yellow by the time I had a clear spot. The truck guy attempted to >have me rear end him by jamming on his breaks, them moved into the middle >of the road to block any passing. I went around him anyway and he moved >over a little more, which caused a little consternation on my part. The >rest of our guys thought better of trying to pass an obviously enraged >psychopath, so the two of us waited at the BP in The Plains for the rest >of them to arrive. Truck guy arrived a few minutes later, pointing at us >and screaming obscenities. We invited him to get out of his truck which he >did. I "explained" to him the what he was doing is one day going to kill >someone, but he seemed oblivious. He told us that we need to slow down and >that, "you crotchrocket cocksuckers think you're God." He was wearing an >SCCA flaggers uniform, so I'm guessing he was on his way home from a >weekend car race at Summit. Anyway, this one is dangerous, so look for the >truck described above, bearing VA tags JMT-4248. Avoid. He obviously has >some issues with bikes. > >RPM > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 18 09:33:31 2005 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 06:33:24 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] almost bent my rim be aware of VDot's failure to put ANY markings up at mile 141.2 on I-95 northbound a little south of Quantico. The middle lane is not paved and the edge where pavement begins agains is super harsh. The forks bottomed hard! The rims seem to have escaped unscathed for which I'm grateful. It was 11pm last night and I tried to get as much sight distance as I could on the car ahead (about 4sec) but was boxed in on all sides by traffic going rather faster than me, so had no chance to see it in time to soften the approach. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 18 09:56:03 2005 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:55:52 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Experienced and ready to ride How about giving the rider some credit for knowing to start off with a smaller, less powerful bike? On 7/18/05, Michael Jordan wrote: > >> "Brand new Black Ninja 250R. I bought the bike a month ago. I bought the > >> bike to learn on and get my license. I am selling it because I am getting a > >> CBR. The bike has only 450 miles on it and nicely broken in...." > > > > Let's get a pool going. How long 'til this squidlette crunches his > > CBR. I've got August 1st... > > Maybe s/he's a fast learner. > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 18 09:58:59 2005 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:58:51 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Experienced and ready to ride At 09:55 AM 7/18/2005, Aaron Maurer wrote: >How about giving the rider some credit for knowing to start off with a >smaller, less powerful bike? 450 miles? For someone who had the sense to start off with a less powerful bike, they sure didn't seem to display enough sense to stay on it long enough to learn anything. -aki >On 7/18/05, Michael Jordan wrote: > > >> "Brand new Black Ninja 250R. I bought the bike a month ago. I bought the > > >> bike to learn on and get my license. I am selling it because I am > getting a > > >> CBR. The bike has only 450 miles on it and nicely broken in...." > > > > > > Let's get a pool going. How long 'til this squidlette crunches his > > > CBR. I've got August 1st... > > > > Maybe s/he's a fast learner. > > > > -- > > Michael J. > > '86 SRX-6 > > '93 GSX1100G > > '03 DL1000 > > AMA > > IBA #3901 > > USAF (Ret) > > NRA > > etc. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 18 10:11:59 2005 X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.81) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 18 Jul 2005 14:11:52 -0000 From: "David Blumgart" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:11:52 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] Experienced and ready to ride Aaron Maurer wrote: >> How about giving the rider some credit for knowing >> to start off with a smaller, less powerful bike? OK, I'll call him half-smart. And then he spent, well, almost a whole entire month and gee, almost 500 miles mastering motorcycle riding. Sure, he's ready for a 100 HP sport bike. Can I take back my reservation for Aug. 1 and, if someone's not already taken it, give him til next Saturday to prang? -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 18 10:16:50 2005 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:16:12 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Experienced and ready to ride Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Maybe he's a huge fellow and can't take all of the social snickers. Maybe he realises as long as he respects (and doens't twist excessively) the throttle it doesn't matter what size bike he rides. Maybe he realises he can die on a 250 just as easily as on a cbr. Stupidity will get you killed, doesn't matter what you ride. could be an 80 cc dirt bike. Maybe he knows all that. Maybe he's ridden a cbr more than he's ridden the 250.. I would imagine, most who have would probably prefer the accelleration of the cbr. but who knows. I did see hte thread on CL, and it was kind of entertaining. :) On 7/18/05, Aki Damme wrote: > At 09:55 AM 7/18/2005, Aaron Maurer wrote: > > >How about giving the rider some credit for knowing to start off with a > >smaller, less powerful bike? > > > 450 miles? For someone who had the sense to start off with a less powerful > bike, > they sure didn't seem to display enough sense to stay on it long enough to > learn anything. > > -aki > > > > > >On 7/18/05, Michael Jordan wrote: > > > >> "Brand new Black Ninja 250R. I bought the bike a month ago. I bought the > > > >> bike to learn on and get my license. I am selling it because I am > > getting a > > > >> CBR. The bike has only 450 miles on it and nicely broken in...." > > > > > > > > Let's get a pool going. How long 'til this squidlette crunches his > > > > CBR. I've got August 1st... > > > > > > Maybe s/he's a fast learner. > > > > > > -- > > > Michael J. > > > '86 SRX-6 > > > '93 GSX1100G > > > '03 DL1000 > > > AMA > > > IBA #3901 > > > USAF (Ret) > > > NRA > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 18 10:22:56 2005 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:22:19 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: rich hall Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Psycho Driver Alert: VA JMT-4248 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX You should have called the cops. You got six witnesses..vs 1. The cop probably could have charged him with road rage, and if he didn't want to, request his supervisor come to the scene... and tell them how if this man isnt' charged, you're going to let the local news channels now how the police ignored road rage crime. What can he be charged with, let us count the ways! On 7/18/05, rich hall wrote: > Are you telling the local authorities as well as us? > > >From: Randy Moran > >To: DC Cycles > >Subject: [dc-cycles] Psycho Driver Alert: VA JMT-4248 > >Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:53:37 -0400 > > > >(Almost) ran into a doozy on Halfway Road yesterday evening. Five friends > >and I had started down halfway when we came up on a small pickup truck. I > >figured he was trouble even before we knew for sure. A blue Ford Ranger > >with a cap on the bed. On the back window, in large homemade block letters > >it said, "What's the Rush?" Two more stickers (also appearing to be > >homemade) on the window said, "If you're in a hurry don't follow me," and > >some other "Slow Down"-themed message. True to form, the guy's doing about > >ten mph below the limit. Anyway, our lead rider passed in the passing zone > >near Hill school to which our hero responded by swerving into the the > >other lane. I had to wait and reassess, which meant the I was into the > >double yellow by the time I had a clear spot. The truck guy attempted to > >have me rear end him by jamming on his breaks, them moved into the middle > >of the road to block any passing. I went around him anyway and he moved > >over a little more, which caused a little consternation on my part. The > >rest of our guys thought better of trying to pass an obviously enraged > >psychopath, so the two of us waited at the BP in The Plains for the rest > >of them to arrive. Truck guy arrived a few minutes later, pointing at us > >and screaming obscenities. We invited him to get out of his truck which he > >did. I "explained" to him the what he was doing is one day going to kill > >someone, but he seemed oblivious. He told us that we need to slow down and > >that, "you crotchrocket cocksuckers think you're God." He was wearing an > >SCCA flaggers uniform, so I'm guessing he was on his way home from a > >weekend car race at Summit. Anyway, this one is dangerous, so look for the > >truck described above, bearing VA tags JMT-4248. Avoid. He obviously has > >some issues with bikes. > > > >RPM > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 18 10:24:05 2005 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:23:26 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: rich hall Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Psycho Driver Alert: VA JMT-4248 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX oh and PS.. LOL would I be wrong for questioning it would be okay, if we somehow found his address and someone simply pulled out all four of his tire valves? I mean he wants to slow down right? that should slow him down LOL On 7/18/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > You should have called the cops. You got six witnesses..vs 1. The > cop probably could have charged him with road rage, and if he didn't > want to, request his supervisor come to the scene... and tell them how > if this man isnt' charged, you're going to let the local news channels > now how the police ignored road rage crime. > > What can he be charged with, let us count the ways! > > > > On 7/18/05, rich hall wrote: > > Are you telling the local authorities as well as us? > > > > >From: Randy Moran > > >To: DC Cycles > > >Subject: [dc-cycles] Psycho Driver Alert: VA JMT-4248 > > >Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:53:37 -0400 > > > > > >(Almost) ran into a doozy on Halfway Road yesterday evening. Five friends > > >and I had started down halfway when we came up on a small pickup truck. I > > >figured he was trouble even before we knew for sure. A blue Ford Ranger > > >with a cap on the bed. On the back window, in large homemade block letters > > >it said, "What's the Rush?" Two more stickers (also appearing to be > > >homemade) on the window said, "If you're in a hurry don't follow me," and > > >some other "Slow Down"-themed message. True to form, the guy's doing about > > >ten mph below the limit. Anyway, our lead rider passed in the passing zone > > >near Hill school to which our hero responded by swerving into the the > > >other lane. I had to wait and reassess, which meant the I was into the > > >double yellow by the time I had a clear spot. The truck guy attempted to > > >have me rear end him by jamming on his breaks, them moved into the middle > > >of the road to block any passing. I went around him anyway and he moved > > >over a little more, which caused a little consternation on my part. The > > >rest of our guys thought better of trying to pass an obviously enraged > > >psychopath, so the two of us waited at the BP in The Plains for the rest > > >of them to arrive. Truck guy arrived a few minutes later, pointing at us > > >and screaming obscenities. We invited him to get out of his truck which he > > >did. I "explained" to him the what he was doing is one day going to kill > > >someone, but he seemed oblivious. He told us that we need to slow down and > > >that, "you crotchrocket cocksuckers think you're God." He was wearing an > > >SCCA flaggers uniform, so I'm guessing he was on his way home from a > > >weekend car race at Summit. Anyway, this one is dangerous, so look for the > > >truck described above, bearing VA tags JMT-4248. Avoid. He obviously has > > >some issues with bikes. > > > > > >RPM > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 18 10:25:57 2005 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:25:54 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Aki Damme Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:00:35 -0400 > >..I'm still trying to figure how they put tolls on an federally funded >interstate highway and got away with it. > >-aki Making us pay - again - for highways we've already paid taxes for is a stated goal of the Bush Administration. "White House wants to allow states to charge user fees for virtually any stretch of interstate" (see below). I just hope the 51% who voted for Bush are happy with this. Chris http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F40D1FFA3B550C7B8EDDAD0894DD404482 (requires registration, only summary of article is available on their website now) NATIONAL DESK | April 28, 2005, Thursday Paying on the Highway to Get Out of First Gear By TIMOTHY EGAN (NYT) 2026 words Late Edition - Final , Section A , Page 1 , Column 4 CORRECTION APPENDED ABSTRACT - Growing number of states pass bills allowing their transportation systems to operate pay-as-you-go roads, in effect letting private sector build and run roads; state and federal governments, beset by deficits, say they have barely enough money to service existing road system, let alone build new roads; typically, tolls vary by time of day and levels of traffic congestion; White House wants to allow states to charge user fees for virtually any stretch of interstate; that would be one of biggest philosophical changes in transportation policy since toll-free interstate highway system was created in 1950's; it mirrors changes taking place overseas; photo; charts (M) Correction: May 5, 2005, Thursday A chart last Thursday with an article about a trend toward toll roads to ease congestion included one carpool system erroneously among those that allow single-occupancy vehicles for a fee. The QuickRide program on Interstate 10 in Houston is for two-occupant vehicles that use the carpool lane for a fee during peak times when the rules require at least three occupants. It does not permit single-occupant vehicles. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 18 10:31:16 2005 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:31:06 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer To: Aki Damme Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Experienced and ready to ride Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I said give him "some" credit. I'm not saying it was the best of all worlds -- but compared to his friend down the street who started off with the 100+ hp CBR, this guy did show more sense. On 7/18/05, Aki Damme wrote: > At 09:55 AM 7/18/2005, Aaron Maurer wrote: > > >How about giving the rider some credit for knowing to start off with a > >smaller, less powerful bike? > > > 450 miles? For someone who had the sense to start off with a less powerful > bike, > they sure didn't seem to display enough sense to stay on it long enough to > learn anything. > > -aki > > > > > >On 7/18/05, Michael Jordan wrote: > > > >> "Brand new Black Ninja 250R. I bought the bike a month ago. I bought the > > > >> bike to learn on and get my license. I am selling it because I am > > getting a > > > >> CBR. The bike has only 450 miles on it and nicely broken in...." > > > > > > > > Let's get a pool going. How long 'til this squidlette crunches his > > > > CBR. I've got August 1st... > > > > > > Maybe s/he's a fast learner. > > > > > > -- > > > Michael J. > > > '86 SRX-6 > > > '93 GSX1100G > > > '03 DL1000 > > > AMA > > > IBA #3901 > > > USAF (Ret) > > > NRA > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 18 11:17:14 2005 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:16:35 -0400 From: Mike Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls Chris Norloff wrote: >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: Aki Damme >Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:00:35 -0400 > > > >>..I'm still trying to figure how they put tolls on an federally funded >>interstate highway and got away with it. >> >>-aki >> >> > >Making us pay - again - for highways we've already paid taxes for is a stated goal of the Bush Administration. "White House wants to allow states to charge user fees for virtually any stretch of interstate" (see below). > >I just hope the 51% who voted for Bush are happy with this. > Taken in abstract, it is hard to defend. I don't mind the private construction and tolls on roads such as the Greenway, but I won't tolerate reallocation of publicly funded roadways to private interests. "I just hope the 51% who voted for Bush are happy with this." You can do better than that. Name a politician or administration whose voters were happy 100% of the time. Better yet, leave the political angle out of the threads. As many people are against HOV lanes as there are against possible HOT lane conversions. I believe HOT will become Lexus lanes and the end of the slug concept. With the 95 corridor having been this bad for decades, why hasn't metro pushed out further? VRE has gained popularity, but Metro down to Woodbridge would fly. I don't work in DC any more, I live in a suburb and work in another (Manassas to Chantilly) which is a booming trend that no public transportation infrastructure can handle well. (re: LA) article sample: "Social engineering is merging with traffic engineering, creating new technologies that charge people a variable toll based on how many cars are on the road - known as congestion pricing - or reduce toll rates for high occupancy to encourage car-pooling. The White House wants to allow states to charge user fees for virtually any stretch of an interstate. It is shaping up as one of the biggest philosophical changes in transportation policy since the toll-free interstate highway system was created under President Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1956. It mirrors changes taking place overseas as well. London began charging tolls two years ago to enter the center of the city during weekday business hours. "It's a big and important shift, and we in the Bush administration think its time has come," said Mary E. Peters, the federal highway administrator, in an interview. The administration is trying to make it easier for states to convert car pool lanes to toll lanes, and to allow private investors to build and operate highways - and charge for their use." -- ___________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/ Home 703.392.1066 Cell 703.565.4801 Fax 703.392.4665 ICQ 239667121 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 18 11:59:25 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:59:05 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Shituff we used on the trip to AK To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/15/2005 9:39:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, HCaldwell@XXXXXX writes: > Also, what do you use to check your tire temps and where did you get it? I used a high tech device that came on the ends of my arms, I put my hands on them. I know that sounds facetious but if you have an idea of how warm your tires are under normal use (feel them after a normal ride once and a while) and then you cannot leave your hand resting on them when carrying a load, they are _hot._ Do I know the exact temp? No. do I need to? Not really I just have a good idea of the normal range by feel. When I increased the pressure (within the tire manufactures range) The temps were noticeably closer to normal. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 18 12:05:27 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:05:12 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/15/2005 1:08:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > allows the corporations to set the rules on the HOV. Privatizing our highways is wrong! Just, plain, wrong! Who has to pay and who does not is completely irrelevant. IT IS WRONG! John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 18 12:22:01 2005 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:21:59 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: Danny Motorcycle Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Psycho Driver Alert: VA JMT-4248 Cc: rich hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Calling the cops and keping him there would have been the proper response. Hell - make a citizen's arrest and hold him for the cops. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 18 12:26:37 2005 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:25:56 -0400 From: Thomas Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Psycho Driver Alert: VA JMT-4248 Being an SCCA member, Emergency Services volunteer, and also the editor of the region's newsletter, I find this kinda shitty. The DC Region of the SCCA did not have any events going on this past weekend, but I can not say for sure at this point if any of our flaggers were working at the NASA HyperFest. I have forwarded the original post from Randy to the chiefs of Flag & Comm. for the WDCR-SCCA, as well as the entire board of directors of the WDCR-SCCA. > > > >He was wearing an SCCA flaggers uniform, so I'm guessing he was on his way home from a > > > >weekend car race at Summit. Anyway, this one is dangerous, From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 18 12:32:34 2005 From: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Psycho Driver Alert: VA JMT-4248 To: Danny Motorcycle , rich hall Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:32:21 -0400 Remind me again: How many "wrongs" does it take to make a "right"? I believe in leaving law enforcement to the trained law enforcers. There's nothing wrong with aiding them with information and leads and then letting them do the job for which we're paying them. That way, they face the gun-toting masses! Stephen On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:23:26 -0400 Danny Motorcycle wrote: > oh and PS.. LOL would I be wrong for questioning it > would be okay, if > we somehow found his address and someone simply pulled > out all four of > his tire valves? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 18 12:33:15 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:32:56 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Shituff we used on the trip to AK To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/15/2005 8:10:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, garicao@XXXXXX writes: > I had a front tube-tire > blowout at high speed a couple of years ago. I kept the bike up (it was a > straight section of road) and when i pulled over the tire was too hot to > touch. This was at 34 psi, riding solo This is not directed at anyone in particular, I am just using the example. I did not mean to say that everyone should start playing with their tire pressure all willy nilly The motorcycle manufacturers recommended pressures will be correct 99% of the time. In the example above the recommended pressure should have been just fine. Remember that it is likely that the tire had been loosing pressure for some time (minutes or hours) without being noticed and that would have caused it to run hot and ultimately fail catastrophically. Even if that was not the case a tire that was operating at normal temperatures could get very hot in the time it took to get a bike pulled over and stopped. I was heavily loaded, I was way over the manufacturers recommendation for loads and should have checked to see if my tires were suffering due to that load. The hottest outside air temp should have little affect on tire temps, not more then 20 or 30 deg. (90deg. is only 30 deg over 60 after all) and 20 or 30 deg should not affect your tires all that much. (racers are another thing.) John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 18 12:36:00 2005 From: rjmoran@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Psycho Driver Alert: VA JMT-4248 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:35:50 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: cmptb3JhbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== I dunno. I mean, I wasn't exactly mr. driver's ed either, and I really didn't want to have to be talking to the police about how I was driving when the incident occurred. I just had a good description of the truck and I felt you guys should know in case you come upon it in your travels. The guy obviously has some anger issues, so pass with caution. RPM From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 18 12:57:52 2005 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:57:09 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: "theoctopus@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Psycho Driver Alert: VA JMT-4248 Cc: rich hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX On 7/18/05, theoctopus@XXXXXX wrote: > Remind me again: How many "wrongs" does it take to make a > "right"? 4! lol just kidding. > I believe in leaving law enforcement to the trained law > enforcers. There's nothing wrong with aiding them with > information and leads and then letting them do the job for > which we're paying them. That way, they face the gun-toting > masses! > > Stephen I can agree for the most part.. but then there is a such thing as a citizens arrest.. and evil triumphs when good men do nothing.. mm is that a gun thread i smell tossed on the barbie? I think we'd have less need for police and a more polite society if the masses were toting guns. Dead idiots aren't repeat offender criminals lol.. and smart people learn from others stupidity. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 18 13:00:01 2005 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:59:54 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > Privatizing our highways is wrong! Just, plain, wrong! Who has to pay > and who does not is completely irrelevant. IT IS WRONG! except that the Supreme Court just ruled in a ghastly miscarriage of justice and apalling misreading of the Constitution, that not only can local govts can turn over their emmenent domain powers to private/corporate entities, they can furthermore give full blessing to the taking of private property and turning it over for the sole benefit of another private entity just so long as some flaky 'projection' of increased tax revenues for the community 'good' can be concocted. I got no beef with ligitimate public use reasons. But the gov't must also be forced to pay every last penny of the market value of anyone it decides to move. Thankfully the 50 states (well, actually about 42) can nullify this particular ruling. Privately owned roads are fine by me. Just as long as they are open access. They may not be allowed to discriminate against any DOT-legal form of transport and they may NEVER be allowed to gain road-way rights thru emmanent domain. They have to buy the property on the open market. If the monetary rewards are so great, then they will happily pay what it takes to buy the land. If the consumers don't like their toll prices, nobody will drive and they'll be forced to lower them until they garner sufficient revenue. That's how it's supposed to work. A gov't may NOT, however, take key routes that have been public for centuries and just privatize them. I'm all for congestion charging. The sheer number of single-occupancy vehicles on the Beltway etc. is flat out rediculous. Roads are a scarce resource. It is therefore perfectly rational and appropriate to apply market forces. It is the most efficient way. Currently some of those costs include sitting in smog clouds for hour after hour or leaving the house at 5am. Or taking 3 hrs to get from DC to Fredericksburg on Friday afternoons. Me, I ride the bike obviously. HOV works because the volume of cars on it doesn't exceed capacity most of the time. Indeed portions of the route are under utilized. Maximal utilization would require a dynamic traffic shaping system whereby tolls for non-HOV vehicles in the lanes would be charged based on upstream flow. If the traffic is light, then the tolls could be less. As traffic levels rise the toll would increase so as to choke off non-HOV vehicles. Monitoring systems would tell us when "exception" tolls were simply not allowed since legitimate HOV traffic was filling the pipeline. The thing is, the train is heavily underutilized. It costs like $7/day (or more?) and the trains run infrequently. But the single biggest failure of the train is the utter darth of station parking. If you have to get to the station by 6am to find a parking spot (free or otherwise) then why bother going by train when you can drive straight in? I grew up in Japan where communities stalled state and federal 4-6 lane projects for 10 years. I say good for them. The gov't finally had to pay market rates for properties and also build sound barriers and build pedestrian overpasses before the final sections of highway could be built. If there is going to be any takings of private property the burden of proof and cost needs to be MASSIVE and rightly so. It's called accountability. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 18 13:02:14 2005 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:02:11 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls Our Prius gets 45-55mpg. What does your VW TDI get? Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "De Boeser, Tom" ...> how inefficient >hybrids are. Their advertised MPG is not their actual. My VW TDI does >as well if not better than the "hybrids" in real life. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 18 13:05:41 2005 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:05:38 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Psycho Driver Alert: VA JMT-4248 I hope you reported him to the police. They can't do much without seeing it themselves, of course, but I should think it helps them know who's causing problems on the road. Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Randy Moran ...Anyway, our lead rider passed in the passing zone near Hill school to >which our hero responded by swerving into the the other lane. I had >to wait and reassess, which meant the I was into the double yellow by >the time I had a clear spot. The truck guy attempted to have me rear >end him by jamming on his breaks, them moved into the middle of the >road to block any passing. ... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 18 13:10:18 2005 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:10:15 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls This is just "states rights" - or in this case, a local government's rights. It seems lotsa people are saying this is a good thing. At least until they do something these people don't like. Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: matthew patton >except that the Supreme Court just ruled in a ghastly miscarriage of >justice and apalling misreading of the Constitution, that not only can >local govts can turn over their emmenent domain powers to >private/corporate entities, they can furthermore give full blessing to >the taking of private property and turning it over for the sole benefit >of another private entity just so long as some flaky 'projection' of >increased tax revenues for the community 'good' can be concocted. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 18 13:28:19 2005 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:28:11 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls > except that the Supreme Court just ruled in a ghastly miscarriage of > justice and apalling misreading of the Constitution, that not only can > local govts can turn over their emmenent domain powers to > private/corporate entities, they can furthermore give full blessing to > the taking of private property and turning it over for the sole benefit > of another private entity just so long as some flaky 'projection' of > increased tax revenues for the community 'good' can be concocted. Not quite right - the decision was specifically limited to this instance in Connecticut and centered on how the Connecticut laws were worded. Their decision may or may not apply to your local jurisdiction, depending on how the laws are structured. If, however, you live in Connecticut.... -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 18 13:31:13 2005 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:31:09 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls > This is just "states rights" - or in this case, a local government's rights. States don't have rights - people have rights and may grant certain powers to the states. See the 10th amendment as to how it pertains to the Federal government -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 18 13:38:50 2005 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:38:36 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls Chris Norloff wrote: >Our Prius gets 45-55mpg. What does your VW TDI get? > > 45-50, but it's got 180,000 miles on it and I drive hard. Tom de 03 ST1300, getting 41-46mpg and riding hard. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 18 14:37:16 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:36:08 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls Oh. My. God. Sean Jordan *WAS* right... The end(tm) *IS* nigh! Who would've thought DCC would sink so low as a p@cker waving contest about who's cage gets better gas mileage? ;-) OTOH... another $60 fill up and maybe those cages aren't so bad after all :-/ Dave Our Prius gets 45-55mpg. What does your VW TDI get? Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "De Boeser, Tom" ...> how inefficient >hybrids are. Their advertised MPG is not their actual. My VW TDI does >as well if not better than the "hybrids" in real life. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 18 15:46:20 2005 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:46:16 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: Dave Yates Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > OTOH... another $60 fill up and maybe those cages aren't so bad after all Photo of a $60 fill up - 3 bikes http://michaelj.smugmug.com/gallery/12246/13/401881 -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 18 20:06:25 2005 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:06:03 -0400 From: "ALEX MORSE" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] best way to secure a bike overnight? Hi All I had my beloved 01 Naked Bandit 12 stolen a couple of weeks ago in Adams Morgan. I admit that the lock I had on the sprocket was compromised (it was the old circular key style) so I guess I've been appropriately punished for not replacing it last year when word got out about the ballpoint pen technique for breaking those things. Obviously I've been thinking quite a lot about stategies for parking and locking a new bike (hopefully a new SV1000S). I've also had bikes knocked over a couple times a year, presumable by drunk bastards who can't parallel park, so I've been pondering a few questions regarding securing the bike downtown overnight: 1. Which is safer -- parking on a busy street with lots of vehicle and pedestrian traffic or a quieter side street? The side street might leave the bike more vulnerable to theft but perhaps it's less likely to get knocked over (clearly I'd prefer it knocked over to being stolen)? Maybe the busy street would deter thieves since more people are around? 2. If there's no pole/parking meter to chain up to, what's the best way to lock down the bike? Normally I just keep a small U-lock on the rear sprocket to keep it from being rolled/riden away but someone determined enough to somehow lift the bike into a truck could certainly do so. 3. Do thieves bother to look under a cover when they're trolling for bikes to pinch? Maybe a cover would deter a would-be ass-wipe from messing with it? 4 As for avoiding getting knocked over, I'm thinking parking at the front end of a row of parallel-parked cars is better than the back end since I assume drivers can more easily see how close they are to the bike if it's in front of them rather than behind them. 5 some have suggested that because any lock can be broken with the right tool, using two different kinds of lock simultaneously is the best move since a thief usually is carrying just one kind of tool for one kind of lock. I guess that would mean a U-lock and a cable. I'd love to start a thread about good ideas for keeping the bike as safe as it can be when you're not around to babysit it. And BTW, if anyone sees a naked black 1200 Bandit running around with a Holeshot pipe and bar-end mirrors, kick the dickhead in the nuts that's riding her (unless of course it's me and the bike has been recovered). Alex Bikeless for now From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 18 20:17:01 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:16:45 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/18/2005 3:46:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mjordan812@XXXXXX writes: > Photo of a $60 fill up - 3 bikes > I remember the first time I saw a gas pump that could read over $9.99... I thought "oh shit." I had no idea... John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 18 21:03:58 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] best way to secure a bike overnight? Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 21:03:48 -0400 Was this Jon's old bike? I hope not, I always liked that bike. Still sucks. For getting knocked into, I'd put on frame sliders and fold in your mirrors. Covers also save you from some scratches. I used to park on the street. After someone stole my Yosh pipe, I got a new cover, cut a 2nd hole in it to lock it behind the front tire and in front of the rear tire. I figured having to cut the cover might be enough to save it from lazy theifs. I also had 3 different types of locks on it, but figure it's going to be lifted was to be stolen. >From: "ALEX MORSE" >To: >Subject: [dc-cycles] best way to secure a bike overnight? >Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:06:03 -0400 > >Hi All > >I had my beloved 01 Naked Bandit 12 stolen a couple of weeks ago in Adams >Morgan. I admit that the lock I had on the sprocket was compromised (it >was the old circular key style) so I guess I've been appropriately punished >for not replacing it last year when word got out about the ballpoint pen >technique for breaking those things. > >Obviously I've been thinking quite a lot about stategies for parking and >locking a new bike (hopefully a new SV1000S). I've also had bikes knocked >over a couple times a year, presumable by drunk bastards who can't parallel >park, so I've been pondering a few questions regarding securing the bike >downtown overnight: > >1. Which is safer -- parking on a busy street with lots of vehicle and >pedestrian traffic or a quieter side street? The side street might leave >the bike more vulnerable to theft but perhaps it's less likely to get >knocked over (clearly I'd prefer it knocked over to being stolen)? Maybe >the busy street would deter thieves since more people are around? > >2. If there's no pole/parking meter to chain up to, what's the best way to >lock down the bike? Normally I just keep a small U-lock on the rear >sprocket to keep it from being rolled/riden away but someone determined >enough to somehow lift the bike into a truck could certainly do so. > >3. Do thieves bother to look under a cover when they're trolling for bikes >to pinch? Maybe a cover would deter a would-be ass-wipe from messing with >it? > >4 As for avoiding getting knocked over, I'm thinking parking at the front >end of a row of parallel-parked cars is better than the back end since I >assume drivers can more easily see how close they are to the bike if it's >in front of them rather than behind them. > >5 some have suggested that because any lock can be broken with the right >tool, using two different kinds of lock simultaneously is the best move >since a thief usually is carrying just one kind of tool for one kind of >lock. I guess that would mean a U-lock and a cable. > >I'd love to start a thread about good ideas for keeping the bike as safe as >it can be when you're not around to babysit it. And BTW, if anyone sees a >naked black 1200 Bandit running around with a Holeshot pipe and bar-end >mirrors, kick the dickhead in the nuts that's riding her (unless of course >it's me and the bike has been recovered). > >Alex >Bikeless for now > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 19 00:02:55 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 00:02:37 -0400 Some Va.-pertinent comments, particularly toward the end, highlighting inplace malpractice: "No Pay. No Plan. No Go in Va." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/15/AR2005071501 141.html And stumbled also onto this from the Hampton Roads "Daily Press" (which feels like substantial fodder for the WP article): http://www.dailypress.com/news/opinion/dp-41808sy0jun30,0,2525929.story?coll =dp-opinion-editorials (I may have traversed the "Coalfields Expressway" in a recent trip to the west-of-Roanoke area and if so it (Alt 58?), indeed, seems ahead of its time.) Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > I'm for tolls-by-weight. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 19 07:28:01 2005 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:27:57 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: ALEX MORSE Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] best way to secure a bike overnight? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Try an alarm system that goes to a pager. This backed up by a .45 (not available in D.C. or Maryland) seems to work. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 19 08:52:11 2005 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 08:52:04 -0400 To: Michael Jordan From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] best way to secure a bike overnight? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 07:27 AM 7/19/05 -0400, Michael Jordan wrote: >Try an alarm system that goes to a pager. > >This backed up by a .45 (not available in D.C. or Maryland) >seems to work. It's available in Maryland if it's on your own property...or you know a judge personally...or just ignore the unconstitutional laws. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 19 10:18:53 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:18:37 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] best way to secure a bike overnight? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I would still use some sort of locks if I were you but in addition to using at least some of the locking methods you have been given here I would install an alarm _with_ a pager. I have one installed on my ST and the peace of mind is worth the occasional false alarm. The locks would slow a thief down and the alarm/pager would warn you that something was up even if the bike was out of sight and hearing. In addition to theft security it would hopefully allow you to catch anyone who bumped into your bike before they had time to leave you with a repair bill. As I said in my AK gear post the alarm/pager makes for a better nights sleep when the bike is out of sight. Generally I hate alarms, (for most people it is just a way of saying "look at me") but I love mine. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 19 10:39:42 2005 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:38:46 -0400 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] best way to secure a bike overnight? At 10:18 AM 7/19/05 EDT, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >The locks would slow a thief down and the alarm/pager would warn you that >something was up even if the bike was out of sight and hearing. In addition to >theft security it would hopefully allow you to catch anyone who bumped into your >bike before they had time to leave you with a repair bill. I opted for the pager, without the siren, on mine. People tend to ignore the sirens anyway, and false alarms really annoy the neighbors. The pager lets me respond, without annoying anyone else. The alarm system also flashes the bike's lights and disables the ignition, so even if I don't respond, there's some deterrent effect to riding off on it. If I *do* respond, the thief if may not realize I'm the owner right away... ;-) The sensitivity of mine is also adjustable...I set it to maximum. Wiggling the bars will set it off, and it went off once when I was in a restaurant when one of the hose clamps used to hold the heat shields on the pipes broke (I'd ground off about half of it on the pavement, so I don't blame it for letting go). I was viewing the bike through a window within a couple of seconds of the pager going off (vibrate mode) and there was nobody near it, so it was pretty puzzling until I went out and found the broken clamp. With it set on max you can't remove the windshield without setting it off, and unless you are really careful, opening a saddle bag will do the same. Doesn't take much. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 19 10:49:31 2005 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:48:35 -0400 From: "Dr. Corona" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] best way to secure a bike overnight? What brand of pager alarms do you folks have experience with? Any you would reccomend or that should be steered clear of? Thanks, -Norris On 7/19/05, Mike B. wrote: > At 10:18 AM 7/19/05 EDT, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > >The locks would slow a thief down and the alarm/pager would warn you that > >something was up even if the bike was out of sight and hearing. In > addition to > >theft security it would hopefully allow you to catch anyone who bumped > into your > >bike before they had time to leave you with a repair bill. > > I opted for the pager, without the siren, on mine. People tend to ignore > the sirens anyway, and false alarms really annoy the neighbors. The pager > lets me respond, without annoying anyone else. The alarm system also > flashes the bike's lights and disables the ignition, so even if I don't > respond, there's some deterrent effect to riding off on it. If I *do* > respond, the thief if may not realize I'm the owner right away... ;-) > > The sensitivity of mine is also adjustable...I set it to maximum. Wiggling > the bars will set it off, and it went off once when I was in a restaurant > when one of the hose clamps used to hold the heat shields on the pipes > broke (I'd ground off about half of it on the pavement, so I don't blame it > for letting go). I was viewing the bike through a window within a couple > of seconds of the pager going off (vibrate mode) and there was nobody near > it, so it was pretty puzzling until I went out and found the broken clamp. > With it set on max you can't remove the windshield without setting it off, > and unless you are really careful, opening a saddle bag will do the same. > Doesn't take much. > > > -- > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > is better. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 19 11:08:50 2005 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:08:22 -0400 To: "Dr. Corona" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] best way to secure a bike overnight? At 10:48 AM 7/19/05 -0400, Dr. Corona wrote: >What brand of pager alarms do you folks have experience with? Any you >would reccomend or that should be steered clear of? > >Thanks, > >-Norris Mine is the stock one that comes with all current Harleys, with the pager option added on. The pager part just plugs into the turn signal module in front of the rear fender, and below the battery (easiest way to get to it is to remove the rear wheel). There's a siren option too, with its own battery so it works even if you disconnect the battery, but I didn't go that way. Yet anyway. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 19 11:45:57 2005 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 08:45:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] best way to secure a bike overnight? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I've got a scorpio SR-i500 alarm - http://www.scorpioalarms.com/sr-i500.aspx Relatively easy to install, and seems to work pretty well. The remote could be better - the button are raised (so you can work them with gloves on?) which means if I put them in a tight pocket I can turn the alarm on without knowing it... Brian > At 10:48 AM 7/19/05 -0400, Dr. Corona wrote: > >What brand of pager alarms do you folks have > experience with? Any you > >would reccomend or that should be steered clear of? > > > >Thanks, > > > >-Norris > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 19 12:04:12 2005 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 12:03:27 -0400 From: Han Park To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] best way to secure a bike overnight? I got a Scorpio on mine as well. Any hints on getting more range out of the pager? The alarm has a 2 ft or so long wire antenna. I was thinking of adding a more substantial antenna to it to extend its paging range. han On 7/19/05, Brian Ray wrote: > I've got a scorpio SR-i500 alarm - > http://www.scorpioalarms.com/sr-i500.aspx > > Relatively easy to install, and seems to work pretty > well. The remote could be better - the button are > raised (so you can work them with gloves on?) which > means if I put them in a tight pocket I can turn the > alarm on without knowing it... > > Brian > > > > At 10:48 AM 7/19/05 -0400, Dr. Corona wrote: > > >What brand of pager alarms do you folks have > > experience with? Any you > > >would reccomend or that should be steered clear of? > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >-Norris > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 19 12:27:44 2005 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 12:27:17 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] best way to secure a bike overnight? To: bdaleray@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In other words, you haven't figured out how to lock the buttons so that it doesn't do that. lol I have the same system and also love it. I mainly got it because someone tried to steal my bike OUT OF MY APARTMENT BUILDINGS PARKING GARAGE last year. I figured an alarm going off in an enclosed space would make them jump if the tried it again. hehe Oh, and Brian, if you press the power buton in on the side for a couple seconds, the first set of beeps your hear locks the buttons. Second set turns off the remote. Repeat process to unlock buttons. :-) Scooter -----Original Message----- From: Brian Ray To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] best way to secure a bike overnight? I've got a scorpio SR-i500 alarm - http://www.scorpioalarms.com/sr-i500.aspx Relatively easy to install, and seems to work pretty well. The remote could be better - the button are raised (so you can work them with gloves on?) which means if I put them in a tight pocket I can turn the alarm on without knowing it... Brian > At 10:48 AM 7/19/05 -0400, Dr. Corona wrote: > >What brand of pager alarms do you folks have > experience with? Any you > >would reccomend or that should be steered clear of? > > > >Thanks, > > > >-Norris > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 19 12:29:49 2005 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 12:29:24 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] best way to secure a bike overnight? To: han.park@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX No clue on that. The half mile (?) range seems to be all I need. Besides, the wire basically uses your bikes frame as a booster anyway. At least, that's what I thought I read in the manual. I don't think a longer wire would help. Scooter -----Original Message----- From: Han Park To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] best way to secure a bike overnight? I got a Scorpio on mine as well. Any hints on getting more range out of the pager? The alarm has a 2 ft or so long wire antenna. I was thinking of adding a more substantial antenna to it to extend its paging range. han On 7/19/05, Brian Ray wrote: > I've got a scorpio SR-i500 alarm - > http://www.scorpioalarms.com/sr-i500.aspx > > Relatively easy to install, and seems to work pretty > well. The remote could be better - the button are > raised (so you can work them with gloves on?) which > means if I put them in a tight pocket I can turn the > alarm on without knowing it... > > Brian > > > > At 10:48 AM 7/19/05 -0400, Dr. Corona wrote: > > >What brand of pager alarms do you folks have > > experience with? Any you > > >would reccomend or that should be steered clear of? > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >-Norris > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 19 12:35:03 2005 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:34:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] best way to secure a bike overnight? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Han - I can't help much on the range. Especially now that I've left the DC metro area, I tend to use it when I'm at lunch, or parked overnight at a hotel. Either way, I'm fairly close. --- Han Park wrote: > I got a Scorpio on mine as well. Any hints on > getting more range out > of the pager? The alarm has a 2 ft or so long wire > antenna. I was > thinking of adding a more substantial antenna to it > to extend its > paging range. > > han > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 19 13:31:28 2005 From: "Sean Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:31:19 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Kawasaki develops SV650-beater. http://www.motorcycledaily.com/15july05_2006kawasaki_er6n.htm Cool. - Sean Jordan _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee)B® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 19 13:36:48 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:36:32 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] best way to secure a bike overnight? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/19/2005 10:49:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, drcorona@XXXXXX writes: > What brand of pager alarms do you folks have experience with? Mine is a Nandy, I would have to look up the model etc. (it does have its own battery as a backup to the bike battery.) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 19 14:55:45 2005 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:55:36 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: DC-Cycles , LDRider Subject: [dc-cycles] Fwd: [VStrom2] Bike -1, Bird - 0 Glad it wasn't a deer. A bit messy http://www.ejbdotcom.net/content/1014.html -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 19 15:04:19 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:03:35 -0400 From AMA: Richard: These e-mails, though well meaning, are false. It is federal law that motorcycles have access to HOV lanes despite what any state agency tries to do. This is not to say that VDOT might not try to exclude them but the fact remains that they simply cannot do so. So please encourage all of these folks to remain vigilant, watch what they try to do, maintain their AMA membership, and contact us should they attempt anything like this. Let me know if there is anything else we can do to help you. Terry Lee Cook Grassroots Manager American Motorcyclist Association Rights, Riding, Racing 13515 Yarmouth Drive Pickerington, OH 43147 614-856-1900 ext. 1288 The information contained in this message may be confidential. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reliance upon, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication, or the information contained in it, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. American Motorcyclist Association, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: r hall [mailto:richallmc@XXXXXX] To: emoreland@XXXXXX Subject: HOT Lanes in VA I recently received some emails on the DC Cycles list-serve informing me that as of now motorcycles will have to pay to use HOT lanes in VA, if they change from the current HOV set-up. HOV cars will be allowed to use the lanes w/o charge as they currently do. I understand AMA fought for motorcycles to be included in HOV in VA, when VA wanted to originally exclude them. I'd appreciate it if AMA could look into this. Thank you, Richard Hall From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 19 15:05:29 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:05:21 -0400 I emailed the SVRider list-serve & posted on the message board, hoping to hear from someone, where HOT lanes are already in use. Unfortunately, no one responded from some where, they were in use. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 19 16:15:45 2005 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:15:42 -0400 From: Richard Westbrook To: DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] ST1300 vs. FJR1100 Honda ST1300 Vs Yamaha FJR1300 I know a few people on this list have one of these bikes and I would like to know what made them decide to go for one over the other. Was it price, brand, ride etc? Everything I have read ranks them very close. I have a Honda now and have loved it (except for a little R/R problem), but the price difference for the Yamaha is very alluring. I would love to hear any personal opinions about either of these bikes. Thanks Rich Westbrook From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 19 18:21:55 2005 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:20:49 -0400 From: smthng else To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ST1300 vs. FJR1100 On 7/19/05, Richard Westbrook wrote: > I know a few people on this list have one of these bikes and I would like to > know what made them decide to go for one over the other. I could be mistaken, but I think I might be the only FJR'er that's been posting on this list for a while. I do know at least 5 other owners in the area however. > Was it price, > brand, ride etc? Everything I have read ranks them very close. I have a > Honda now and have loved it (except for a little R/R problem), but the price > difference for the Yamaha is very alluring. Partially brand loyalty. I've always been partial to Yamahas. They just "feel" right to me like no other bike every has (except for my '73 Suzuki, but that's a different story). Maintenance is essentially cake and Yamama generally does a pretty good job on "driveability". That's the only word I can think of. Most Yamis just have the perfect road feel to me. The price was of course a factor, but I probably would have paid $3000 more if I had to. Of course, the look had a lot to do with it as well. At the time I was looking, the FJR was the only 1300 cc sport tourer that I would have considered "sexy". The new ST changes that a bit, as it's not quite the behemoth it used to be. Looking at the Honda web site, it actually looks a LOT like the FJR to me now. Finally, performance was an issue for me. While I'd always wanted the space and convenience of a tourer, I wasn't willing to sacrifice the performance of a sport bike to get it. The FJR does both quite nicely. Ridden well, I'd suspect the FJR is close to capable of keeping up with most other riders, with the exception of a really good rider on a 600 in the twisties. On the straights, the FJR would probably keep up with many 1000 cc sport bikes. Stability is rock solid... I've had her up to 140 with a full load of gear (probably close to 150 lbs of stuff) and she still had plenty of room to go with not the slightest wobble. Others have quoted 160 without any problems. At anything other than parking lots speeds, the size isn't a concern. That's not to say I haven't added a fair amount of stuff to it to make it more useful... Givi rack, auxillary lights, heated grips, custom seat and tank bag, along with various electrical bits. If accessories are a big deal to you, go with the Honda. The FJR isn't a "production" bike here in the US. It's special order status has relegated it to the bottom of the list in after-market parts. If you like something being a little "unique" and having people ask "what IS that", you can't really go wrong with the Feejer. The FJR community is pretty cool too... a fairly close-knit group who knows that they've got a machine that doesn't really "fit" into any one category and that it's hard to get parts for. Several of my accessories were hand made by some guy in a garage somewhere and there are always more popping up as people chew on ideas. There is an FJR-owners meeting in September at Deal's Gap and there are generally at least three or four others around the country for different regions (I'd guess 10% of attendees go to all of them). I probably have 20 never-ending invitations to stay the night around the country any time I'm in the area and I've had offers of help from people over 800 miles away to come work on the bike for major upgrades. The ST is probably designed a bit better... Honda's always been real good on the engineering side of things. I hear the tip-over guards that are stock on the ST work amazingly well... that's a definate bonus for a bike this size if you're not used to it. I can't give you a reason to pick one over the other... At the point, I think it's totally a "preference and feel" issue. If you can't find an FJR in the showrooms (which is a common issue), you're more than welcome to check mine out. In short, you can't really go wrong with either the ST or the FJR if that's the kind of bike you're looking for. They're both fine machines, designed to be fun and practical. Niether is an R1, but niether is a Goldwing either. That's a good thing, in my book. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 19 20:41:51 2005 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:41:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Schmidt To: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] How do I know when it's time for new tires? Simple question. Hopefully simple answer. Is there a minimum tread depth that is when you should get new tires. I was looking at mine after my gym workout today and thought that they might be a little bit balding but I really don't know. Thanks __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 19 20:57:45 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Cc: Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:57:26 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: ST1300 vs. FJR1100 You might want to add a Suzuki DL1000 V-Strom, of which there is at least one on this list. I did a comparison of the three (oh, and the Triumph Tiger) a couple of years ago and the S.. came out highly for me, such rating being subsequently born out in various places since. Also comes in 650 flavor. (My needs never quite meshed with these newer models.) Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Just broken in at 22K. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 19 20:59:08 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:58:54 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/19/2005 3:04:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, richallmc@XXXXXX writes: > These e-mails, though well meaning, are false. It is federal law that > motorcycles have access to HOV lanes despite what any state agency tries > to do. This is not to say that VDOT might not try to exclude them but > the fact remains that they simply cannot do so. Typical of the AMA they utterly failed to mentioned _HOT_ lanes. They likely do not even know what they are. Write back and make them try again because HOT is not HOV. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 19 21:25:07 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Cc: Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:24:54 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: best way to secure a bike overnight? Alex - I live not too far from you in the District and fortunately have basement parking. My thoughts over the years have been that were this not the case, I'd pull out stops to enclose the bike someplace, perhaps with the help of a NY Chain. If some reasonable shoebox commercial or apartment house space were not available, perhaps a private owner nearby would sympathize and rent fenced-in area of some kind. Ads in the (Northwest Current?, DuPont Citizen?) might cut it. I did this with a boat elsewhere years ago and it worked like a charm. About a cover -- an uncovered bike always seems so much more inviting. And gives a thief an opportunity to plan the little details ahead of time. Not to mention the lack of grime and water protection. But they're so volatile I'd never spend for top of the line. Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Like to be tucked in at night. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 19 21:52:37 2005 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:51:43 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer To: "W.S." , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: best way to secure a bike overnight? As another resident of the District (and the Adams-Morgan area, to boot), I'd be interested in hearing a few more details about your loss -- what night of the week was it? Where were you parked? Etc. Thanks, Aaron On 7/19/05, W.S. wrote: > Alex - > > I live not too far from you in the District and fortunately have > basement parking. My thoughts over the years have been that were this not > the case, I'd pull out stops to enclose the bike someplace, perhaps with the > help of a NY Chain. If some reasonable shoebox commercial or apartment > house space were not available, perhaps a private owner nearby would > sympathize and rent fenced-in area of some kind. Ads in the (Northwest > Current?, DuPont Citizen?) might cut it. I did this with a boat elsewhere > years ago and it worked like a charm. > > > About a cover -- an uncovered bike always seems so much more > inviting. And gives a thief an opportunity to plan the little details ahead > of time. Not to mention the lack of grime and water protection. But > they're so volatile I'd never spend for top of the line. > > > Bill S. / DC (on digest) > '99 VN750 > Like to be tucked in at night. > Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 19 22:21:10 2005 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:20:03 -0400 From: smthng else To: DCcycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] How do I know when it's time for new tires? On 7/19/05, Ian Schmidt wrote: > Simple question. Hopefully simple answer. Is there a > minimum tread depth that is when you should get new > tires. I was looking at mine after my gym workout > today and thought that they might be a little bit > balding but I really don't know. Thanks Most tires have some kind of tread wear indicator. Normally, it's just a rubber marker that set lower than your tread blocks. When the regular tread blocks wear down to the level of the wear indicators, it's time for new ones. If you don't have wear indicators, I don't have any advice for you, other than wait until I decide to replace my new Metzelers that don't have indicators. ;) --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 20 07:39:19 2005 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 07:39:05 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: roadrunnaz@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Hi definition shields? just found out they make a hi def (amber) shield for my CL14. Anyone have experience with hi def shields? or heard things about them? Do they get annoying? DO they wear your eye color sensors out? :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 20 07:53:33 2005 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 07:53:31 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: "PenguinBiker@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Write back and make them try again because HOT is not HOV. Nor are they mutually exclusive. HOV remains HOV. HOT is for vehicles that would not otherwise qualify for HOV but can use the HOV lanes for a fee. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 20 07:54:47 2005 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 04:54:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ST1300 vs. FJR1100 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Looking to do more touring Rich? Both bikes will be more bulky then your VFR. Glenn --- Richard Westbrook wrote: > Honda ST1300 > Vs > Yamaha FJR1300 > > I know a few people on this list have one of these > bikes and I would like to > know what made them decide to go for one over the > other. Was it price, > brand, ride etc? Everything I have read ranks them > very close. I have a > Honda now and have loved it (except for a little R/R > problem), but the price > difference for the Yamaha is very alluring. > > I would love to hear any personal opinions about > either of these bikes. > > Thanks > Rich Westbrook > > > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 20 08:20:30 2005 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:20:21 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ST1300 vs. FJR1100 smthng else wrote: >On 7/19/05, Richard Westbrook wrote: > > >>I know a few people on this list have one of these bikes and I would like to >>know what made them decide to go for one over the other. >> >> > >I could be mistaken, but I think I might be the only FJR'er that's >been posting on this list for a while. I do know at least 5 other >owners in the area however. > > Hey, I own a ST1300 and have been posting here and there. In fact I posted my impressions of both the ST1300 and FJR1300 - I've ridden both. I know of at least 5 ST1300 owners here too :P. > > >>Was it price, >>brand, ride etc? Everything I have read ranks them very close. I have a >>Honda now and have loved it (except for a little R/R problem), but the price >>difference for the Yamaha is very alluring. >> >> > > >Of course, the look had a lot to do with it as well. At the time I >was looking, the FJR was the only 1300 cc sport tourer that I would >have considered "sexy". The new ST changes that a bit, as it's not >quite the behemoth it used to be. Looking at the Honda web site, it >actually looks a LOT like the FJR to me now. > > I don't really like the look of either the ST or FJR. I can't comment on the price difference, I bought mine used. In the used market both the FJR and ST are about the same in price. >Finally, performance was an issue for me. While I'd always wanted the >space and convenience of a tourer, I wasn't willing to sacrifice the >performance of a sport bike to get it. The FJR does both quite >nicely. Ridden well, I'd suspect the FJR is close to capable of >keeping up with most other riders, with the exception of a really good >rider on a 600 in the twisties. On the straights, the FJR would >probably keep up with many 1000 cc sport bikes. Stability is rock >solid... I've had her up to 140 with a full load of gear (probably >close to 150 lbs of stuff) and she still had plenty of room to go with >not the slightest wobble. Others have quoted 160 without any >problems. At anything other than parking lots speeds, the size isn't >a concern. > > Performance is not a problem for the ST either. Having ridden both I will say the FJR feels stronger on the top end, but it doesn't feel as strong at the low and mid range. The ST will do 145 - GPS'ed, I've been to 130 - no issues. The ST turns a bit better/quicker. Its almost scary at first, given its size. >That's not to say I haven't added a fair amount of stuff to it to make >it more useful... Givi rack, auxillary lights, heated grips, custom >seat and tank bag, along with various electrical bits. If accessories >are a big deal to you, go with the Honda. The FJR isn't a >"production" bike here in the US. It's special order status has >relegated it to the bottom of the list in after-market parts. If you >like something being a little "unique" and having people ask "what IS >that", you can't really go wrong with the Feejer. > > After-market parts are hard for this catagory of bike. There aren't alot of FJRs and ST's sold in the US so not many vendors care to make anything. That said, traditional After-market parts are availible (i.e. seats, electrical, bar risers, windshields). Even though the ST has "ST1300" on the side, I still get a lot of questions "...what the hell is that?" mostly. But I'm over being noticed by teenie-boppers. >The FJR community is pretty cool too... a fairly close-knit group who >knows that they've got a machine that doesn't really "fit" into any >one category and that it's hard to get parts for. Several of my >accessories were hand made by some guy in a garage somewhere and there >are always more popping up as people chew on ideas. There is an >FJR-owners meeting in September at Deal's Gap and there are generally >at least three or four others around the country for different regions >(I'd guess 10% of attendees go to all of them). I probably have 20 >never-ending invitations to stay the night around the country any time >I'm in the area and I've had offers of help from people over 800 miles >away to come work on the bike for major upgrades. > > ST owners are cool too! They do group meetings in different regions. And the lists are full of knowledge and friendly help. >The ST is probably designed a bit better... Honda's always been real >good on the engineering side of things. I hear the tip-over guards >that are stock on the ST work amazingly well... that's a definate >bonus for a bike this size if you're not used to it. > > To me it seemed more like Honda had one idea and Yamaha another. Honda already had a base of riders in place, LD types. Yamaha was looking to make a sport bike with bags. >I can't give you a reason to pick one over the other... At the point, >I think it's totally a "preference and feel" issue. If you can't find >an FJR in the showrooms (which is a common issue), you're more than >welcome to check mine out. In short, you can't really go wrong with >either the ST or the FJR if that's the kind of bike you're looking >for. They're both fine machines, designed to be fun and practical. >Niether is an R1, but niether is a Goldwing either. That's a good >thing, in my book. > > Agreed, both bikes are very close in almost every respect. You will not be un-happy with either. I choose the ST because of the motor, the fairing (wind protection), and the handling. The ST might be in a showroom here or there, but not always. If you want to can check mine out too. >--smthng >http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ > > > > Tom de 03 ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 20 09:34:44 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:34:31 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/20/2005 7:53:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mjordan812@XXXXXX writes: > Nor are they mutually exclusive. HOV remains HOV. HOT is for vehicles > that would not otherwise qualify for HOV but can use the HOV lanes for > a fee. They are "privately funded" toll roads and _everyone_ will wind up paying for them. HOT is not HOV and the AMA response did not address that fact in any way, in fact they did not even mention HOT. They did not answer the question they were asked. I suspect they did not understand it. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 20 10:06:32 2005 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:06:06 -0400 From: skip To: Ian Schmidt CC: DCcycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] How do I know when it's time for new tires? VA law states that there shall be greater than 2/32" of tread remaining on the tire for it to pass inspection. if you're at the wear bar, you need new tires. take a penny. insert it into the sipes of the tire (the gaps between the tread blocks) if you can see the top of lincoln's head, you need new tires to comply with the law. realistically, your tires will tell you when they need to go away if you listen to them. they'll get a bit less grippy, especially in the rain. when that happens, it's time. --skip, former tire jockey. Ian Schmidt wrote: > > Simple question. Hopefully simple answer. Is there a > minimum tread depth that is when you should get new > tires. I was looking at mine after my gym workout > today and thought that they might be a little bit > balding but I really don't know. Thanks > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 20 10:12:11 2005 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:12:07 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: "PenguinBiker@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > They are "privately funded" toll roads and _everyone_ will wind up paying for > them. Not necessarily - HOT lanes in California are not privately funded. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 20 10:12:27 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:08:24 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls John said They are "privately funded" toll roads and _everyone_ will wind up paying for them. [Dave] You can bet your pansie gas tank we will... over and over again. Even Conn. is re-re-considering tolls after the dropped the axe on them after that 9 death pile up years back. That's going to happen here, it's only a matter of time. The Dulles Toll road has been refinanced and refinanced year after year to pay for all kinds of other projects for years now. Once you give the government a cash cow, they're not going to give it back. The key principle here is that it is "consent of the governed". Once you consent to the pay road, it's permanent. It will NEVER get cheaper. This whole HOV/HOT is the various government's way of abdicating their responsibility to manage our money with some semblance of fiscal responsibility. Instead of living within their means every year, they keep spending more and more money on bigger and bigger money pits and programs to make people feel good, do more for everyone and subsidize just about everything. After years of this, we're now staring down the barrel of looming huge finahcial expenditures on necessary road improvements because we let "spend it all" polititicians flush our money down the toilet on oh so necessary silliness like "imported Italian marble" in the Taj Mahal, close to $3k bicycles for patrols, trips to Hawaii for a "Government feel good" conference, and the like. BUT, the biggest, most serious failure of the whole of this process is OUR FAILURE to hold these clowns accountable for misspending our money. The solution(s) aren't tolls, that's just a band aid on an arterial wound. The solution is STOP F***ING SPENDING. Stop spending so lavishly on government services and use it where we need it - roads. Focuses can be fitted with light bars and sirens and cost almost $10k less than Crown vics, and both will do over 100... Maybe instead of paying 6 figure 'golden parachute' severance to a quitting figure head, he shouldn't get anything since he's quitting? Maybe DC & R is a hideous waste of taxpayer money and ought to be disbanded. Maybe the people doing this kind of financial mismanagement ought to be sued by the AG's office to recover lost money. But HOV/HOT is just going to encourage more mismanagement because we haven't disciplined our elected money spenders... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 20 10:15:00 2005 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:14:57 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: DC-Cycles , VStrom List Subject: [dc-cycles] Off topic: Google Moon - Apollo 11 anniversary http://moon.google.com/ -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 20 13:55:15 2005 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 13:54:35 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] How do I know when it's time for new tires? Cc: DCcycles FYI it's possible, to ride the tire until thread shows (there's another layer of tire beneath it), not that doing that is recommended. (personally I and othersI know do it, but that's just putting around, not like i'm trying to win a moto gp race or something lol). On 7/19/05, Ian Schmidt wrote: > Simple question. Hopefully simple answer. Is there a > minimum tread depth that is when you should get new > tires. I was looking at mine after my gym workout > today and thought that they might be a little bit > balding but I really don't know. Thanks > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 20 13:59:48 2005 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:00:18 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DCcycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Yikes!!!! http://www.redztread.com/vidz/dismounts.wmv From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 20 14:01:55 2005 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:02:31 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DCcycles" Subject: [dc-cycles] Yikes!!!! (Yet More) http://test.kladblog.com/media/200506/motorsport.wmv From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 20 14:24:17 2005 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:24:10 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: DCcycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Yikes!!!! (Yet More) > http://test.kladblog.com/media/200506/motorsport.wmv WTF,O? -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 20 14:31:59 2005 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:31:54 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: DCcycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Yikes!!!! > http://www.redztread.com/vidz/dismounts.wmv Wonder if that was a Shelby Cobra? -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 20 14:34:00 2005 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:33:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ST1300 vs. FJR1100 From: Richard Westbrook To: Glenn Dysart , DC-Cycles The wife has given me the green light to buy a new bike, with the caveat being, that it needs to be something she will be comfortable on too. She never liked riding on the VFR. I want to find something that's pretty comfortable for a pillion but still is fun to drive. On 7/20/05 7:54 AM, "Glenn Dysart" wrote: > Looking to do more touring Rich? Both bikes will be > more bulky then your VFR. > > Glenn > > --- Richard Westbrook > wrote: > >> Honda ST1300 >> Vs >> Yamaha FJR1300 >> >> I know a few people on this list have one of these >> bikes and I would like to >> know what made them decide to go for one over the >> other. Was it price, >> brand, ride etc? Everything I have read ranks them >> very close. I have a >> Honda now and have loved it (except for a little R/R >> problem), but the price >> difference for the Yamaha is very alluring. >> >> I would love to hear any personal opinions about >> either of these bikes. >> >> Thanks >> Rich Westbrook >> >> >> > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 20 14:38:38 2005 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:37:49 -0400 From: smthng else To: DCcycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Yikes!!!! (Yet More) On 7/20/05, Julian Halton wrote: > http://test.kladblog.com/media/200506/motorsport.wmv Obviously, the new moving tire changer device needs refinement. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 20 14:57:10 2005 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:57:04 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: Richard Westbrook Cc: Glenn Dysart , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ST1300 vs. FJR1100 Richard Westbrook wrote: > >I want to find something that's pretty comfortable for a pillion but still >is fun to drive. > > > Unfortunately, both will fit that need.... :) tom de ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 20 15:34:21 2005 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:33:45 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer To: "De Boeser, Tom" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ST1300 vs. FJR1100 Cc: Richard Westbrook , Glenn Dysart , DC-Cycles As will a new BMW R1200 GS. (Not that I'm biased or anything...) On 7/20/05, De Boeser, Tom wrote: > Richard Westbrook wrote: > > > > >I want to find something that's pretty comfortable for a pillion but still > >is fun to drive. > > > > > > > Unfortunately, both will fit that need.... :) > > tom de > ST1300 > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 20 16:43:01 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:42:47 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Coleman's Anybody stopping by Coleman's this evening? www.wherethepoweris.com I should be there a little bit after 6pm. Moe's is good food. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 20 16:52:54 2005 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:52:18 -0400 From: Thomas Jordan To: dc-cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Update on Randy's run-in with the psychotic driver From a friend: Further to your email. I have received a reply from my contact in the Virginia State Police and the tag number does not match a blue Ford Pickup. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 20 20:04:25 2005 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:04:11 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozyn To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] ST vs FJR Hey Rich, I have a buddy whose wife didn't like his VFR ('87 - could be for sale soon) very much, nor did she care for the '81 R100 he also has - okay, yeah, she's in her 40s, and these are both kinda old-ish machines. He got a 2003 Connie recently and she seems very comfortable on that. Nice big seat, gobs of power (not like the the ST or FJR of course) and a proven design. All kinds of aftermarket parts available everywhere. Plus, you could save a few thousand comparatively, and spend a week somewhere nice riding together. That's what I might do were I you, anyway. Let us know what you decide. Good luck! John C. Kozyn 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 20 21:01:09 2005 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:00:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Jonathan Broga Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Update on Randy's run-in with the psychotic driver To: dc-cycles It was green. I may or may not have been there . . . --- Thomas Jordan wrote: > From a friend: > > Further to your email. > I have received a reply from my contact in the > Virginia State Police and > the tag number does not match a blue Ford Pickup. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 06:58:24 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 03:58:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ST1300 vs. FJR1100 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX So that's what being married is like huh? I think I'll stay single. Glenn --- Richard Westbrook wrote: > The wife has given me the green light to buy a new > bike, with the caveat > being, that it needs to be something she will be > comfortable on too. She > never liked riding on the VFR. > > I want to find something that's pretty comfortable > for a pillion but still > is fun to drive. > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 08:23:16 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 08:22:37 -0400 From: skip To: Glenn Dysart CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ST1300 vs. FJR1100 dude, this is the --easy-- part! Glenn Dysart wrote: > > So that's what being married is like huh? I think > I'll stay single. > > Glenn > > --- Richard Westbrook > wrote: > > > The wife has given me the green light to buy a new > > bike, with the caveat > > being, that it needs to be something she will be > > comfortable on too. She > > never liked riding on the VFR. > > > > I want to find something that's pretty comfortable > > for a pillion but still > > is fun to drive. > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 08:48:39 2005 From: rjmoran@XXXXXX To: Jonathan Broga , dc-cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Update on Randy's run-in with the psychotic driver Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:48:30 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: cmptb3JhbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== > It was green. I may or may not have been there . . . > > > --- Thomas Jordan wrote: > > > From a friend: > > > > Further to your email. > > I have received a reply from my contact in the > > Virginia State Police and > > the tag number does not match a blue Ford Pickup. Oops. So much for my powers of observation. RPM From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 08:54:21 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ST1300 vs. FJR1100 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 08:54:09 -0400 I would have to agree! She is OK witih him getting a new bike AND she wants to ride with him. What's not to like? BTW: I also agree with the earlier post about the Concours. It is very pillion (and driver) friendly, with lots of aftermarket support to further tailor it to your needs. In any event, take the wife with you and have her sit on the bike(s) you are interested in. Keep her involved in the process and I think you will have a winner. Perry >From: skip >To: Glenn Dysart >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ST1300 vs. FJR1100 >Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 08:22:37 -0400 > >dude, this is the --easy-- part! > >Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > So that's what being married is like huh? I think > > I'll stay single. > > > > Glenn > > > > --- Richard Westbrook > > wrote: > > > > > The wife has given me the green light to buy a new > > > bike, with the caveat > > > being, that it needs to be something she will be > > > comfortable on too. She > > > never liked riding on the VFR. > > > > > > I want to find something that's pretty comfortable > > > for a pillion but still > > > is fun to drive. > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 10:02:34 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:02:11 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: DCcycles , VStrom List Subject: [dc-cycles] Fwd: [LDRider] Goldwing video > Lots of really good scraping noise > http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=Riding-the-Dragon-Part-One > http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=Riding-the-Dragon-Part-Two -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 10:22:18 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:21:46 -0400 From: Sundeep Kalidindi To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] How safe is plugging a flat tire? Hi, I had a flat rear tire yesterday and I found a nail and removed it. I took it to the closest dealer and he said that I need to change the tire costing me upto 200$. Mine was a new one, so I got a plug kit and plugged the leaking point like a regular car puncture. I checked the pressure today and it seemed fine and rode normally. I was wondering if anyone else has done this before and if it is advisable. Or would you suggest getting a new tire. Thanks, Sundeep. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 10:27:55 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 07:27:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Fwd: [LDRider] Goldwing video To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Those are great! --- Michael Jordan wrote: > > Lots of really good scraping noise > > > > http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=Riding-the-Dragon-Part-One > > > > http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=Riding-the-Dragon-Part-Two > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 10:37:29 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 07:37:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] How safe is plugging a flat tire? To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Sundeep, I just recently patched a tire as it only had 500 miles on it when I took a nail. I prefer patching it from the inside of the tire instead of using a plug as I think they hold better. The patch has now been on there for almost 1000 hard miles in the mountains and I haven't lost a pound of pressure yet. It doesn't sound like the hole you got was very big and I'm guessing the plug will hold. I'm sure others will recommend you replace the tire but IMO about the worst thing that will probably happen is you might end up losing some tire pressure but it should not be drastic. Glenn --- Sundeep Kalidindi wrote: > Hi, > > I had a flat rear tire yesterday and I found a nail > and removed it. I > took it to the closest dealer and he said that I > need to change the > tire costing me upto 200$. > Mine was a new one, so I got a plug kit and plugged > the leaking point > like a regular car puncture. I checked the pressure > today and it > seemed fine and rode normally. > > I was wondering if anyone else has done this before > and if it is advisable. > Or would you suggest getting a new tire. > > Thanks, > Sundeep. > > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 10:42:50 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:42:45 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] How safe is plugging a flat tire? Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX This is essentially an issue between you and your personal gods. I carry a plug kit and compressor on my bike to deal with the occasional "oopsie". I will have the tire replaced at my earliest opportunity. I only have two, they're small, contact-patch wise, and I want them to be the best that they can be. I don't want to worry about a patch failing. I know other people who have put thousands of miles on a plugged tire. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 10:57:01 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 07:56:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls To: "Dr. Corona" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX So enlighten us how this car can get such better mileage then lets say a regular Honda Civic when traveling at highway speeds? All the data I've read on the car indicates it use the gas engine ONLY at those speeds. And at those speeds you have the added weight of the batteries which a standard compact car does not have. Glenn --- "Dr. Corona" wrote: . I do not think the MPG > numbers are more > inflated for hybrids than any other vehicle. I get > tired of hearing > how crappy my mileage really is, how bad the > performance is, and what > a poor buying decsion I made from people that have > never owned/driven > a hybrid. ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 10:57:14 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 07:57:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] How safe is plugging a flat tire? To: Glenn Dysart Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Depends on where the puncture is. I'm no expert, but from what I hear and understand, a puncture towards the center of the tread is much safer than a puncture towards the outter edges or sidewall of tire. Something to do with chances of blowout. I am currently riding with a small finishing nail stuck dead center in my front tire. It has been there for 1000 miles or so and I'm keeping my fingers crossed I can make it a few more weeks until I planned to get new tires (while on vacation). I do carry a hand air pump and plugs. I'm not worried about finding the tire flat one day....I'm worried about a blowout. But, from what I've read, so long as the puncture is in the "riding strip", you should be ok to plug. Front tire is more risky than rear. Highly recommend an air pump and plugs be kept with you. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 11:07:33 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 08:07:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ST1300 vs. FJR1100 To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX the wife has given me the red light for years with respect to buying motorcycles. -- tg (thinking about a black 999) --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > So that's what being married is like huh? I think > I'll stay single. > > Glenn > > --- Richard Westbrook > wrote: > > > The wife has given me the green light to buy a new > > bike, with the caveat > > being, that it needs to be something she will be > > comfortable on too. She > > never liked riding on the VFR. > > > > I want to find something that's pretty comfortable > > for a pillion but still > > is fun to drive. > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) - http://www.murphygimer.com - http://www.mgtitlellc.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 11:09:03 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 08:08:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ST1300 vs. FJR1100 To: Perry Coleman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Perry Coleman wrote: > I would have to agree! She is OK witih him getting a new > bike AND she wants > to ride with him. What's not to like? > > BTW: I also agree with the earlier post about the > Concours. It is very > pillion (and driver) friendly, with lots of aftermarket > support to further > tailor it to your needs. > > In any event, take the wife with you and have her sit on > the bike(s) you are > interested in. Keep her involved in the process and I > think you will have a > winner. are you sure you didn't mean to say "whiner"? -- tg > >From: skip > >To: Glenn Dysart > >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ST1300 vs. FJR1100 > >Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 08:22:37 -0400 > > > >dude, this is the --easy-- part! > > > >Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > > > So that's what being married is like huh? I think > > > I'll stay single. > > > > > > Glenn > > > > > > --- Richard Westbrook > > > wrote: > > > > > > > The wife has given me the green light to buy a new > > > > bike, with the caveat > > > > being, that it needs to be something she will be > > > > comfortable on too. She > > > > never liked riding on the VFR. > > > > > > > > I want to find something that's pretty comfortable > > > > for a pillion but still > > > > is fun to drive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) - http://www.murphygimer.com - http://www.mgtitlellc.com ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 11:10:06 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 08:09:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] How safe is plugging a flat tire? To: Sundeep Kalidindi , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX i'd plug it then patch it if i wasn't going to toss it. --- Sundeep Kalidindi wrote: > Hi, > > I had a flat rear tire yesterday and I found a nail and > removed it. I > took it to the closest dealer and he said that I need to > change the > tire costing me upto 200$. > Mine was a new one, so I got a plug kit and plugged the > leaking point > like a regular car puncture. I checked the pressure today > and it > seemed fine and rode normally. > > I was wondering if anyone else has done this before and > if it is advisable. > Or would you suggest getting a new tire. > > Thanks, > Sundeep. > > Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) - http://www.murphygimer.com - http://www.mgtitlellc.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 11:14:03 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 08:13:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ST1300 vs. FJR1100 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Let us know when the divorce happens. ;-) --- Tom Gimer wrote: > tg (thinking about a black 999) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 11:25:50 2005 From: "Bruce N" To: "Tom Gimer" , Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ST1300 vs. FJR1100 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:24:54 -0400 X-EN-UserInfo: 491cc520d85f37050654855667ce7bc9:eef17f84dc61b2cfa83f34354b81b18b X-EN-AuthUser: bcn@XXXXXX !!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gimer" > tg (thinking about a black 999) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 11:45:03 2005 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:44:51 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] In Case of Emergency Not sure if it's true, but can't hurt: In case of emergency ICE Paramedics will turn to a victim's cell phone for clues to that person's identity. You can make their job much easier with a simple idea that they are trying to get everyone to adopt: ICE. ICE stands for In Case of Emergency. If you add an entry in the contacts list in your cell phone under ICE, with the name and phone no. of the person that the emergency services should call on your behalf, you can save them a lot of time and have your loved ones contacted quickly. It only takes a few moments of your time to do. Paramedics know what ICE means and they look for it immediately. ICE your cell phone NOW! Please pass this one along... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 11:47:16 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 08:47:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] In Case of Emergency To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I've had my phone returned to me before but just putting "home" as an entry. So that might be another option. Glenn --- rich hall wrote: > Not sure if it's true, but can't hurt: > > In case of emergency ICE > > Paramedics will turn to a victim's cell phone for > clues to that person's > identity. You can make their job much easier with a > simple idea that they > are trying to get everyone to adopt: ICE. > > ICE stands for In Case of Emergency. If you add an > entry in the contacts > list in your cell phone under ICE, with the name and > phone no. of the person > that the emergency services should call on your > behalf, you can save > > them a lot of time and have your loved ones > contacted quickly. It only takes > a few moments of your time to do. > > Paramedics know what ICE means and they look for it > immediately. ICE your > cell phone NOW! > > Please pass this one along... > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 11:48:23 2005 X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.81) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 21 Jul 2005 15:48:14 -0000 From: "David Blumgart" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:48:14 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? There are so many factors you can't control when riding that it seems sheer lunacy not to get every one you can control working for you. High among them are those relating to the condition of your bike. And when it comes to tires, I'm reminded of an exchange from one of my all time favorite movies: "Whenever there is any doubt, there is no doubt. That's the first thing they teach you." "Who taught you?" "I don't remember. That's the second thing they teach you." OK, that last bit's not relevant, but you get the idea [extra points for naming the flick.] So I'd strongly recommend that all you folks writing in wondering if that railroad spike thru your front tire, or the fact that the frayed cords are flapping in the wind, really means you should maybe, possibly get new ones, just get your d*mn tires replaced, wouldja? If you have to ask, you know the answer. The cost would barely cover one day's Critical Care bandage and medical tape charges. If money's tight, skip a few nights out. -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 11:59:32 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 08:59:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX A railroad spike through a tire is quite a bit different then a small hole from a nail. I would say anything bigger then a nail or a screw its obvious what to do, but why throw away a new tire if its only a nail hole? I do however agree on the cords part. When you ride on cords a blowout is eminent. Glenn --- David Blumgart wrote: > > So I'd strongly recommend that all you folks writing > in wondering if that railroad spike thru your front > tire, or the fact that the frayed cords are flapping > in the wind, really means you should maybe, possibly > get new ones, just get your d*mn tires replaced, > wouldja? If you have to ask, you know the answer. > The cost would barely cover one day's Critical Care > bandage and medical tape charges. If money's tight, > skip a few nights out. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 12:01:51 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:01:26 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] In Case of Emergency To: glenn_dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX This was all on the news the other day. I have a Home entry in mine but, gonna enter an ICE one as soon as I figure out who the best person would be to put there. Scooter -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Dysart To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] In Case of Emergency I've had my phone returned to me before but just putting "home" as an entry. So that might be another option. Glenn --- rich hall wrote: > Not sure if it's true, but can't hurt: > > In case of emergency ICE > > Paramedics will turn to a victim's cell phone for > clues to that person's > identity. You can make their job much easier with a > simple idea that they > are trying to get everyone to adopt: ICE. > > ICE stands for In Case of Emergency. If you add an > entry in the contacts > list in your cell phone under ICE, with the name and > phone no. of the person > that the emergency services should call on your > behalf, you can save > > them a lot of time and have your loved ones > contacted quickly. It only takes > a few moments of your time to do. > > Paramedics know what ICE means and they look for it > immediately. ICE your > cell phone NOW! > > Please pass this one along... > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 12:11:05 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:10:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? To: David Blumgart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I don't think anyone is going to disagree on the importance of tires. When it comes to running the tire until no usuable tread is left.....I wouldn't do that, that is TOO risky for me. But, to "properly" plug a tire that is otherwise fine only makes sense to me. The worst that plug is going to do is not seal the hole all the way and leak a little. I can deal with that and carry a pump and more plugs for that reason. I ride too much to work myself up over a small puncture. I couldn't afford to ride if I replaced every tire that had a hole in it. At this rate, I'm one puncture every 4k miles. That is less than 4 months of riding. Now, if the puncture was large or in a bad spot such as the sidewall, I wouldn't hesitate to replace the tire. All things considered, providing I have good useable tread on my tires, I am much more worried about factors other than a plug when I ride. Stepping off soap box and knocking on wood..... - Jimmy --- David Blumgart wrote: > So I'd strongly recommend that all you folks writing in wondering > if that railroad spike thru your front tire, or the fact that the > frayed cords are flapping in the wind, really means you should > maybe, possibly get new ones, just get your d*mn tires replaced, > wouldja? If you have to ask, you know the answer. The cost would > barely cover one day's Critical Care bandage and medical tape > charges. If money's tight, skip a few nights out. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 12:22:06 2005 From: "David Blumgart" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:21:50 -0500 Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: Why take chances with tires? Glenn wrote: >>A railroad spike through a tire is quite a bit >> different then a small hole from a nail. >> I would say anything bigger then a nail or >> a screw its obvious what to do, but why >> throw away a new tire if its only a nail hole? It's a rhetorical device called hyberbole, Glenn, a figure of speech which is an exaggeration, intended to acheive a humorous effect. Often it fails. Seriously, here's the thing - which I tried to explain in the part you removed. ALMOST CERTAINLY that guy waiting at the intersection won't make an abrupt left turn as I approach. ALMOST CERTAINLY that plugged/patched nail hole will be safe to ride on for 8,000 miles and won't cause a sudden tire failure at 70 MPH. But one I have no control over other than to be watchful and ready. The other I can, by eliminating any possiblity. And as the only downside is I'm $200 poorer, that's my recommendation. But hey, you're all adults, capable of making your own risk/reward calculations. You pays your money and you take your chances. Best of luck with yours. -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 12:45:23 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:45:10 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] How safe is plugging a flat tire? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I put 10K miles on a mushroom plug'd tire. I don't bother with anything else for fixing holes. They work REALLY well. I saw the new 'small' kit the other day at Morton's. Really nice compared to my big gun setup. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 12:50:02 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:49:53 -0400 Ronin. Robert DeNiro lecturing... As for the plug, I tend to use plugs to get to where I can replace the tire. However, that is not to say that one can't run a tire down to the wear bars after plugging or patching. I think it is a personal choice. >From: "David Blumgart" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? >Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:48:14 -0500 > > >There are so many factors you can't control when riding that it seems sheer >lunacy not to get every one you can control working for you. High among >them are those relating to the condition of your bike. And when it comes >to tires, I'm reminded of an exchange from one of my all time favorite >movies: > >"Whenever there is any doubt, there is no doubt. That's the first thing >they teach you." >"Who taught you?" >"I don't remember. That's the second thing they teach you." > >OK, that last bit's not relevant, but you get the idea [extra points for >naming the flick.] > >So I'd strongly recommend that all you folks writing in wondering if that >railroad spike thru your front tire, or the fact that the frayed cords are >flapping in the wind, really means you should maybe, possibly get new ones, >just get your d*mn tires replaced, wouldja? If you have to ask, you know >the answer. The cost would barely cover one day's Critical Care bandage >and medical tape charges. If money's tight, skip a few nights out. > >-- >___________________________________________________________ >Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com >http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 12:57:28 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:57:17 -0400 From: skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Why take chances with tires? David Blumgart wrote: > > Glenn wrote: > >>A railroad spike through a tire is quite a bit > >> different then a small hole from a nail. > >> I would say anything bigger then a nail or > >> a screw its obvious what to do, but why > >> throw away a new tire if its only a nail hole? > > It's a rhetorical device called hyberbole, Glenn, a figure of speech which is an exaggeration, intended to acheive a humorous effect. Often it fails. > > Seriously, here's the thing - which I tried to explain in the part you removed. ALMOST CERTAINLY that guy waiting at the intersection won't make an abrupt left turn as I approach. ALMOST CERTAINLY that plugged/patched nail hole will be safe to ride on for 8,000 miles and won't cause a sudden tire failure at 70 MPH. But one I have no control over other than to be watchful and ready. The other I can, by eliminating any possiblity. And as the only downside is I'm $200 poorer, that's my recommendation. > > But hey, you're all adults, capable of making your own risk/reward calculations. You pays your money and you take your chances. Best of luck with yours. As a former tire jockey, I believe I can speak to this debate. From my experience, Patching the tire from the inside is the best method of sealing the leak. however, when a puncture occurs, the belts are punctured also. if the injury is large enough, the belts can slip and the tire will develop a lump. I have jammed three or four plugs in a (car) tire before, and driven it until the trad was gone. I have not -ever- seen a blowout caused by plugging. more often, what happens is that the tire get run at low pressure, and it gets over heated, and the liner and casing begin to deteriorate. When that happens, the tire really can deflate violently. so. In my opinion, plugging and driving on it is fine if the tire wasn't run at low pressures for very long. if it was, it should be taken off of the rim and inspected. any burnt smell, or pieces of rubber in the tire indicate that it was run flat, and must be replaced. ymmv, dnaah, pdoacc. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 13:13:59 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:13:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Jonathan Broga To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Good Summit Track Day Programs? A couple years ago I did a track day through Herndon Cycle Sport. The night before they did a really good primer on proper technique and lines around Summit. I learned a lot. My wife has shown interest in doing a track day this fall on her Hawk, and I would like her to have the same benefit I had before my first track experience. Are there any track days that have a better program going than the others? Good training, good control riders, good corner worker preparation? She would be best served by the least squidly kind of event, where she can ride the bike for what it is without oncoming traffic or trees, but without being passed on the inside of 10 by Johnny 600. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 13:19:59 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:19:53 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls Interesting that a Washington Post article about Virginia privately-funded toll roads didn't mention the Greenway from Dulles to Leesburg. I believe they raised their rates in the last month or so - but I don't know if it's because they could or because they had to. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "W.S." Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 00:02:37 -0400 >Some Va.-pertinent comments, particularly toward the end, highlighting >inplace malpractice: > > >"No Pay. No Plan. No Go in Va." >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/15/AR2005071501 >141.html > > >And stumbled also onto this from the Hampton Roads "Daily Press" (which >feels like substantial fodder for the WP article): > >http://www.dailypress.com/news/opinion/dp-41808sy0jun30,0,2525929.story?coll >=dp-opinion-editorials > > >(I may have traversed the "Coalfields Expressway" in a recent trip to the >west-of-Roanoke area and if so it (Alt 58?), indeed, seems ahead of its >time.) > > >Bill S. / DC (on digest) >'99 VN750 > I'm for tolls-by-weight. >Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 13:28:09 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:28:06 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? No, the worst a plug can do is pop put of the tire at speed due to centrifigal force, with possible rapid loss of air or structural failure of the tire. Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "James O'Connor" ... > The worst that plug is going to do is not seal the hole all the way >and leak a little. ... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 13:29:18 2005 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: "Jonathan Broga" , Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Good Summit Track Day Programs? Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:29:12 -0400 I think NESBA would be good, there's even free Intro http://www.nesba.com/ The other org is less helpful for newbie... LMS & Coleman days are pretty much out of control... avoid Shenandoah track. Main is only available during weekdays & JC is available for weekends. --------------------- Shigeru Honda 99 750 SS (Track #881) 00 Moto Guzzi V11 Sport 02 MZ Skorpion Tour (Commuter) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Broga" To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Good Summit Track Day Programs? > A couple years ago I did a track day through Herndon > Cycle Sport. The night before they did a really good > primer on proper technique and lines around Summit. I > learned a lot. > > My wife has shown interest in doing a track day this > fall on her Hawk, and I would like her to have the > same benefit I had before my first track experience. > Are there any track days that have a better program > going than the others? Good training, good control > riders, good corner worker preparation? > > She would be best served by the least squidly kind of > event, where she can ride the bike for what it is > without oncoming traffic or trees, but without being > passed on the inside of 10 by Johnny 600. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 13:49:09 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:49:41 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? At 09:10 AM 7/21/05 -0700, James O'Connor wrote: >left.....I wouldn't do that, that is TOO risky for me. But, to >"properly" plug a tire that is otherwise fine only makes sense to me. The word "properly" is the key I think, as is the construction of the tire. I've had car tires plugged that then failed with broken belts in less than 100 miles (you get a big bulge where that happens...you can't miss it, and on a bike having a non-round tire suddenly appear would be more than just annoying). I don't know if the problem was the plug itself, or the way it was installed, but I've had tire experts (people working for tire companies, not retail outlets) tell me that plugs are ok for bias belted tires, but that they should never be used on radial tires...patching those requires a patch on the inside of the tire (I've had a couple of those and they worked fine). This is all from discussions of car tires, but I've also had bike experts tell me that plugging a bike's tire is a temporary emergency procedure...it's ok long enough to get you to a place where you can have the tire replaced, but you shouldn't run on it longer than necessary. Bike tires are much more critical than car tires, and under very different stresses. As someone else said, if there's any doubt, there's no doubt about what should be done...the cost of new tires is trivial compared to the hassle of getting injured or killed, and if nothing else, you'll have brand new tires to play on. >small puncture. I couldn't afford to ride if I replaced every tire >that had a hole in it. At this rate, I'm one puncture every 4k >miles. Why are you getting so many punctures? My current bike has over half the tread life used up on the original tires and so far no flats at all (about 7500 miles). With as much luck as I've already had, I'll make it to replacement without having to worry about it. Where are you riding where there's so much road debris? I'd like to avoid those places... >All things considered, providing I have good >useable tread on my tires, I am much more worried about factors other >than a plug when I ride. Me too, but if I can eliminate a worry without too much trouble, I'm happy to do that. Riding for me is fun, and worry isn't. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 13:52:11 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:52:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Northern VA (currently Herndon) to DC. Usually that's it. Riding in the city is where I suspect I get them. Likly when hugging the shoulder going around dead traffic. I do try to avoid man hole covers, potholes, etc. that may concentrate debris. -Jimmy --- "Mike B." wrote: Why are you getting so many punctures? My current bike has over half the tread life used up on the original tires and so far no flats at all (about 7500 miles). With as much luck as I've already had, I'll make it to replacement without having to worry about it. Where are you riding where there's so much road debris? I'd like to avoid those places... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 14:04:03 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:03:24 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: rich hall Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] In Case of Emergency Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX What if you dont' want your loved ones contacted right away? :) This sounds a little fishy, because, when did it become part of the paramedics job to contact loved ones? I thought they were supposed to get you stabilized and to the hospital. Do your jobs instead of being nosey! :) Personally I want to be stabilized, so when that call goes through they can say "Hello.. is this so and so? yes. Hi.. Danny was in an accident but he's stabilized in a room" The whole "Danny's hurt.. I can't tell you how bad.. get here and wait 10 hours" is kind of lame. If I look like I've been through the meat grinder and then die, well it's probably better off the loved ones dont' get a look at me. Don't wanna be rememberd that way. YMMV. - Danny On 7/21/05, rich hall wrote: > Not sure if it's true, but can't hurt: > > In case of emergency ICE > > Paramedics will turn to a victim's cell phone for clues to that person's > identity. You can make their job much easier with a simple idea that they > are trying to get everyone to adopt: ICE. > > ICE stands for In Case of Emergency. If you add an entry in the contacts > list in your cell phone under ICE, with the name and phone no. of the person > that the emergency services should call on your behalf, you can save > > them a lot of time and have your loved ones contacted quickly. It only takes > a few moments of your time to do. > > Paramedics know what ICE means and they look for it immediately. ICE your > cell phone NOW! > > Please pass this one along... > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 14:16:58 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:16:55 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > but why throw away a new tire if its only a nail hole? Because the structural integrity of the tire has been compromised. My life isn't worth a $200 savings. Yours may be. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 14:17:04 2005 Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] In Case of Emergency Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:18:10 -0400 From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: There's a write up on the issue at http://www.snopes.com/crime/prevent/icephone.asp Apparently there are issues with what medicines an accident victim may be taking or any allergic reactions they might experience. Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA Don't miss the System Administrator's song: http://www.deadtroll.com/index2.html?/sysadmin/~content -----Original Message----- From: Danny Motorcycle [mailto:motorpsychol@XXXXXX] To: rich hall Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] In Case of Emergency What if you dont' want your loved ones contacted right away? :) This sounds a little fishy, because, when did it become part of the paramedics job to contact loved ones? I thought they were supposed to get you stabilized and to the hospital. Do your jobs instead of being nosey! :) Personally I want to be stabilized, so when that call goes through they can say "Hello.. is this so and so? yes. Hi.. Danny was in an accident but he's stabilized in a room" The whole "Danny's hurt.. I can't tell you how bad.. get here and wait 10 hours" is kind of lame. If I look like I've been through the meat grinder and then die, well it's probably better off the loved ones dont' get a look at me. Don't wanna be rememberd that way. YMMV. - Danny On 7/21/05, rich hall wrote: > Not sure if it's true, but can't hurt: > > In case of emergency ICE > > Paramedics will turn to a victim's cell phone for clues to that person's > identity. You can make their job much easier with a simple idea that they > are trying to get everyone to adopt: ICE. > > ICE stands for In Case of Emergency. If you add an entry in the contacts > list in your cell phone under ICE, with the name and phone no. of the person > that the emergency services should call on your behalf, you can save > > them a lot of time and have your loved ones contacted quickly. It only takes > a few moments of your time to do. > > Paramedics know what ICE means and they look for it immediately. ICE your > cell phone NOW! > > Please pass this one along... > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 14:18:11 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:17:57 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/21/2005 10:57:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, glenn_dysart@XXXXXX writes: > So enlighten us how this car can get such better > mileage then lets say a regular Honda Civic when > traveling at highway speeds? Because they are comparing apples to oranges that is how. They spent a hell of a lot of time and money making the first hybrids lighter and more aerodynamic then any other cars on the road, _then_ they packed a tiny, underpowered engine in it and Taadaa!! fairly good mileage. Fact: All other thing being equal, it takes X amount of energy to maintain Y speed. NOTHING can change that. ALL of the energy used by a hybrid comes from gasoline, all of it. The only real energy saving with a hybrid is in the energy recovery in the braking systems, and that is minimal and only effective in stop and go traffic (where they shine.) Put a tiny engine in a light aerodynamic car and it will get the same mileage as a hybrid (or better what with not having to carry batteries and motors around.) Acceleration will _suck_ without the electric boost however. And god help me I do not want to own a 10 year old hybrid, all of the problems of an old gas car _and_ all of the problems of an old electric car rolled into one. That is going IMHO to be a real horror. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 14:21:23 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:21:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX That's a big assumption. A single small hole won't necessarily destroy the structural integrity of the tire. Maybe you should point this towards your son who rode 250 miles with us (you included) one day with cords showing! That to me is much more dangerous then patching a tire. Glenn --- Michael Jordan wrote: > Because the structural integrity of the tire has > been compromised. > > My life isn't worth a $200 savings. > > Yours may be. ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 14:32:33 2005 From: To: rich hall CC: Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] In Case of Emergency Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:30:45 -0400 > > From: Danny Motorcycle > Date: 2005/07/21 Thu PM 02:03:24 EDT > To: rich hall > CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] In Case of Emergency > > What if you dont' want your loved ones contacted right away? :) > > This sounds a little fishy, because, when did it become part of the > paramedics job to contact loved ones? I thought they were supposed to > get you stabilized and to the hospital. Do your jobs instead of being > nosey! :) Personally I want to be stabilized, so when that call > goes through they can say "Hello.. is this so and so? yes. Hi.. Danny > was in an accident but he's stabilized in a room" > > The whole "Danny's hurt.. I can't tell you how bad.. get here and wait > 10 hours" is kind of lame. > > If I look like I've been through the meat grinder and then die, well > it's probably better off the loved ones dont' get a look at me. Don't > wanna be rememberd that way. > > YMMV. > > - Danny > I don't think it's as much wanting to cryptically tell someone that you've been involved in an accident but more geared towards finding out if you're on any special medication or allergic to any particular drug or even blood type. In today's sue happy world, they probably want to keep all options open. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 14:37:57 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:37:43 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Sundeep Kalidindi Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] How safe is plugging a flat tire? Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX The more tread you have, the more tread to hold the plug in place IMO. if I get a plugable hole, I plug it, and forget about it. when inserting the plug, after it's pushed in, I twist it a few times, then pull it out. I'm not sure if this aids in pulling out the tool, or aids in keeping the plug in, but that's how i was taught and that's what I do. I also cut off the excess plug that is sticking out. Anyway, I find that usually if a plug is going to come out, it comes out soon. Probably within 100 miles.. and another plug gets inserted and that one may hold. If I find the plug won't hold from the hole being too big, i'll replace it. I don't sweat plugs too much. The punctures are usually towards the center, and if they get pulled out, the bike is upright... and you realize you have a flat, and pull over again. not a big deal. Personally I plug it and forget about it. I probably ride my tires a lot harder than people saying "dont take chances". Hell the bike itself is a chance. Life is a chance. You can use that same arguement to argue not to go over 55 mph.. or not to ride at night.. or not to ride during the weekdays or rush hour.. or not to ride at all. Is there even any acendotal evidence of anyone gettting screwed up from a plug not holding? Are we going to be scared of the boogy man? Are we going to be scared of the what ifs that arent? What if my aunt had balls..she'd be my uncle. What if cows could fly and had purple polka dots.. they won't and don't. Until then why dont' we go with real world experience.. plugs hold, and if they dont, you pull over, try again, and see if that holds. If not, replace the tire. I would ask people at what pace are they riding.. if they're bike is mostly upright and within the speed limits, the tire going flat is not going to be risky.. but if they're dragging their knees through every canyon and backroad and the tires look like race take offs, then maybe you might not want to have a plugged tire... but if you're just commuting in stop and go traffic.. no point in wasting tires/money. Realisticly, tire plugs or bald tires arent' going to be the cause of conservative riders accidents.. it's going to be that calculated risk, to pass a car that happens to want to turn from the middle lane at the last moment.. or assuming that car wont' turn left but does. For non conservative riders, it's going to be all that risk you take pushing beyond what the street given environment allows, not your tires conditions. That's my take on it all. For those of you throwing away brand new tires, 180/190 z rated, let me know, i'll take them off your hands, and make good use of them. oh, qualifier: my whole discussion was in terms of rear tires. Front flats are so rare.. and i might be inclined to agree on the importance of "not taking a risk on that one". - Danny On 7/21/05, Sundeep Kalidindi wrote: > Hi, > > I had a flat rear tire yesterday and I found a nail and removed it. I > took it to the closest dealer and he said that I need to change the > tire costing me upto 200$. > Mine was a new one, so I got a plug kit and plugged the leaking point > like a regular car puncture. I checked the pressure today and it > seemed fine and rode normally. > > I was wondering if anyone else has done this before and if it is advisable. > Or would you suggest getting a new tire. > > Thanks, > Sundeep. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 14:40:44 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:40:11 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Sundeep Kalidindi Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] How safe is plugging a flat tire? Cc: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX oops sorry for the lengthy post. Brevity is the soul of wit. Cliff notes version: 1. unless you're riding like your in a motogp race, plug it and forget aobut it. 2. if the plug comes out, replug it. If that doesn't hold replace the tire. That's been my experience that works well For those of you throwing away new 180-190 tires, let me know, i'll come get them. - Danny On 7/21/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > The more tread you have, the more tread to hold the plug in place IMO. > > if I get a plugable hole, I plug it, and forget about it. when > inserting the plug, after it's pushed in, I twist it a few times, > then pull it out. I'm not sure if this aids in pulling out the tool, > or aids in keeping the plug in, but that's how i was taught and that's > what I do. I also cut off the excess plug that is sticking out. > > Anyway, I find that usually if a plug is going to come out, it comes > out soon. Probably within 100 miles.. and another plug gets inserted > and that one may hold. If I find the plug won't hold from the hole > being too big, i'll replace it. > > I don't sweat plugs too much. The punctures are usually towards the > center, and if they get pulled out, the bike is upright... and you > realize you have a flat, and pull over again. not a big deal. > > Personally I plug it and forget about it. I probably ride my tires a > lot harder than people saying "dont take chances". Hell the bike > itself is a chance. Life is a chance. You can use that same arguement > to argue not to go over 55 mph.. or not to ride at night.. or not to > ride during the weekdays or rush hour.. or not to ride at all. > > Is there even any acendotal evidence of anyone gettting screwed up > from a plug not holding? Are we going to be scared of the boogy man? > Are we going to be scared of the what ifs that arent? What if my > aunt had balls..she'd be my uncle. What if cows could fly and had > purple polka dots.. they won't and don't. > > Until then why dont' we go with real world experience.. plugs hold, > and if they dont, you pull over, try again, and see if that holds. If > not, replace the tire. > > I would ask people at what pace are they riding.. if they're bike is > mostly upright and within the speed limits, the tire going flat is not > going to be risky.. but if they're dragging their knees through every > canyon and backroad and the tires look like race take offs, then > maybe you might not want to have a plugged tire... > > but if you're just commuting in stop and go traffic.. no point in > wasting tires/money. > > Realisticly, tire plugs or bald tires arent' going to be the cause of > conservative riders accidents.. it's going to be that calculated risk, > to pass a car that happens to want to turn from the middle lane at the > last moment.. or assuming that car wont' turn left but does. For non > conservative riders, it's going to be all that risk you take pushing > beyond what the street given environment allows, not your tires > conditions. > > That's my take on it all. > > For those of you throwing away brand new tires, 180/190 z rated, let > me know, i'll take them off your hands, and make good use of them. > > oh, qualifier: my whole discussion was in terms of rear tires. Front > flats are so rare.. and i might be inclined to agree on the > importance of "not taking a risk on that one". > > - Danny > > > On 7/21/05, Sundeep Kalidindi wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I had a flat rear tire yesterday and I found a nail and removed it. I > > took it to the closest dealer and he said that I need to change the > > tire costing me upto 200$. > > Mine was a new one, so I got a plug kit and plugged the leaking point > > like a regular car puncture. I checked the pressure today and it > > seemed fine and rode normally. > > > > I was wondering if anyone else has done this before and if it is advisable. > > Or would you suggest getting a new tire. > > > > Thanks, > > Sundeep. > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 14:43:38 2005 From: "Bruce N" To: "Glenn Dysart" , Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:42:37 -0400 X-EN-UserInfo: 491cc520d85f37050654855667ce7bc9:eef17f84dc61b2cfa83f34354b81b18b X-EN-AuthUser: bcn@XXXXXX True, but often more damage is caused by the repair than the original puncture. Ramming a mushroom style plug through the belt structure causes big problems. I believe every puncture is different and has to be evaluated on an individual basis. There is no one firm answer to this question. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Dysart" To: Subject: SPAM: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? > That's a big assumption. A single small hole won't > necessarily destroy the structural integrity of the > tire. > > Maybe you should point this towards your son who rode > 250 miles with us (you included) one day with cords > showing! That to me is much more dangerous then > patching a tire. > > Glenn > > > --- Michael Jordan wrote: > >> Because the structural integrity of the tire has >> been compromised. >> >> My life isn't worth a $200 savings. >> >> Yours may be. > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 14:44:07 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:43:45 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX 1. How spirited was the ride? 2. Did the tire hold? On 7/21/05, Glenn Dysart wrote: > That's a big assumption. A single small hole won't > necessarily destroy the structural integrity of the > tire. > > Maybe you should point this towards your son who rode > 250 miles with us (you included) one day with cords > showing! That to me is much more dangerous then > patching a tire. > > Glenn > > > --- Michael Jordan wrote: > > > Because the structural integrity of the tire has > > been compromised. > > > > My life isn't worth a $200 savings. > > > > Yours may be. > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 14:47:21 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:47:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I would agree with that and more the reason I prefer a patch over a plug. I don't think I would plug a tire for a permanent repair, I would use one to get me from being stranded somewhere. And I agree with Danny, anyone getting rid of their new tire(s) with small holes in the 180/55 size please pass them my direction! Glenn --- Bruce N wrote: > True, but often more damage is caused by the repair > than the original > puncture. Ramming a mushroom style plug through the > belt structure causes > big problems. > > I believe every puncture is different and has to be > evaluated on an > individual basis. There is no one firm answer to > this question. ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 14:48:49 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:48:46 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Maybe you should point this towards your son who rode > 250 miles with us (you included) one day with cords > showing! That to me is much more dangerous then > patching a tire. My son knows better. But, having achieved his majority, is responsible for his own actions. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 14:49:13 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:49:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX It was a spirited ride and the ride started off with the cords showing. Personally if it had been me I would have stayed home and ordered a new tire. Glenn --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > 1. How spirited was the ride? > 2. Did the tire hold? > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 14:49:56 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:47:45 -0400 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls At 02:17 PM 7/21/05 EDT, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >Fact: All other thing being equal, it takes X amount of energy to maintain Y >speed. NOTHING can change that. ALL of the energy used by a hybrid comes from >gasoline, all of it. The only real energy saving with a hybrid is in the >energy recovery in the braking systems, and that is minimal and only effective >in stop and go traffic (where they shine.) Mostly correct. A couple of tiny additions: 1) if you charge up the car at home, some of the energy comes from the power grid, not gasoline. I know at least one guy who's added extra batteries to his Prius to extend the range on battery power to reduce gas usage even more...jury is still out as to whether this will really work out (extra batteries = extra weight and the mix of highway to stop and go will be a big factor...but he's in Boston and so may get to run electric the whole way on his commute). 2) when stopped at a light or in non-moving heavy traffic a gas engine uses gas to idle, an electric vehicle uses no power (other than for accessories), and a hybrid shouldn't use much more than an electric if it manages its charging system (the gas engine) properly. There will be conversion inefficiencies there of course. >And god help me I do not want to own a 10 year old hybrid, all of the >problems of an old gas car _and_ all of the problems of an old electric car rolled into one. That is going IMHO to be a real horror. A lot of that will depend how popular they get. If they are really common in 10 years scrapping them won't be too bad, but if they are rare you may have problems finding someone willing to take it off your hands. Junk yards understand steel cars and gas engines just fine, but what do they know about lithium batteries, electric motors and whatever other differences there might be? I've also heard some concerns expressed by some paramedics and rescue workers. They are worried about using a saw to cut into one of these things after a wreck and getting electrocuted by slicing into a main power cable or something. I've heard from a Prius owner with a technical (engineering) background that this can't happen so long as they don't cut into the battery pack itself. Apparently there's a relay used to connect the batteries to the rest of the car, and if the car's computer isn't telling the relay to connect, it doesn't. There's apparently a crash sensor that does the disconnect as well as the equivalent of a GFI. Still, extra training for rescue crews might be a good idea...so they at least know where the battery pack is located. A hybrid has the worst combination of hazards...shorting batteries and leaking gasoline? Oooohhhhh..... If you want cheap fuel for a vehicle, I'll take hydrogen...I can make that at home and the Arabs can go back to eating sand. I know cars have been converted to run on it, and that fuel cells are the way to go in the near future, but I don't know how well it will work for a bike. The fuel tanks tend to be heavy (200 lbs for a Ford Grannada to get a 100 mile range...about the size and shape of a spare tire). I think you'd at the very least want to mount it the way the V-ROd does...under the seat, not up near the neck. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 14:52:44 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:52:41 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: Danny Motorcycle Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] How safe is plugging a flat tire? Cc: Sundeep Kalidindi , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX > oh, qualifier: my whole discussion was in terms of rear tires. Front > flats are so rare.. Yeah! I've noticed. Why izzat? Seems to me that the front tire should get to the nail first. Or maybe the fron tire just sets the nail up to spear the rear. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 14:52:50 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:52:36 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] How safe is plugging a flat tire? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/21/2005 2:38:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, motorpsychol@XXXXXX writes: > Are we going to be scared of the boogy man? > Are we going to be scared of the what ifs that arent? You are kidding right? Of course we are, that is what living in the U S of A is all about these days. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 14:57:12 2005 From: "Perry Coleman" To: mjordan812@XXXXXX, motorpsychol@XXXXXX Cc: skalidindi@XXXXXX, DC-Cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] How safe is plugging a flat tire? Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:57:04 -0400 The theory I've heard is that the front tire picks it up and flings it straight back where it skewers the rear tire. >From: Michael Jordan >Reply-To: Michael Jordan >To: Danny Motorcycle >CC: Sundeep Kalidindi , DC-Cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] How safe is plugging a flat tire? >Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:52:41 -0400 > > > oh, qualifier: my whole discussion was in terms of rear tires. Front > > flats are so rare.. > >Yeah! I've noticed. Why izzat? > >Seems to me that the front tire should get to the nail first. > >Or maybe the fron tire just sets the nail up to spear the rear. > >-- >Michael J. >'86 SRX-6 >'93 GSX1100G >'03 DL1000 >AMA >IBA #3901 >USAF (Ret) >NRA >etc. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 15:04:39 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:04:25 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/21/2005 2:50:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > > And god help me I do not want to own a 10 year old hybrid, all of the > > problems of an old gas car _and_ all of the problems of an old electric > > car rolled into one. That is going IMHO to be a real horror. > > A lot of that will depend how popular they get. If they are really common > in 10 years scrapping them won't be too bad, but if they are rare you may > have problems finding someone willing to take it off your hands. I was thinking about repair, just keeping the damn things running should be a nightmare. > fuel cells are the way to go in the near > future, Damn straight! BUT you still need hydrogen and providing that may call for fusion power plants to provide safe, non oil/coal electric power to produce enough. In the end we need fusion power. There should be the kind of effort the US put into the moon landings to make it work. (After we educate the public about the very real differences between fusion and fission. As it is they are so afraid of anything nuclear that nothing can be done.) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 15:38:42 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:38:35 -0400 From: skip To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In the end we need fusion power. There should be the kind of effort the US > put into the moon landings to make it work. (After we educate the public about > the very real differences between fusion and fission. As it is they are so > afraid of anything nuclear that nothing can be done.) I can just hear the traffic report now. Well, Dave, it looks like you're going to want to steer clear of the Woodrow Wilson Bridge for the next 10-15 years... :~) yes, i know the difference. it's just funny. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 16:21:33 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:44:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] ST1300 vs. FJR1100 On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, Tom Gimer wrote: > the wife has given me the red light for years with respect > to buying motorcycles. My wife wishes I'd buy more motorcycles and stop buying cars :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 16:22:11 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:22:24 -0400 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls At 03:04 PM 7/21/05 EDT, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 7/21/2005 2:50:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >omni@XXXXXX writes: > >> fuel cells are the way to go in the near >> future, > >Damn straight! BUT you still need hydrogen and providing that may call for >fusion power plants to provide safe, non oil/coal electric power to produce >enough. You need hydrogen, but there are lots of ways to make that. The simplest, but not most efficient I hear, is electrolysis. I've done that one in my bedroom as a kid with a 65v battery, two carbon rods from old D-cells and a couple of jars. You need something to make the water more conductive...sulfuric acid is commonly used for this, but I wasn't allowed to have any so I used table salt. If a 12 year old kid can do it, our industry can do it. ;-) Even if you go with the simple way, as above, you just need electricity. It doesn't matter where you get that. Coal, oil, alcohol, wood, trash, biodeisel, methane, wind, tides, hydroelectric dams, geothermal, photoelectric solar, steamturbine solar, whatever you have handy. Heck, hook generators up to all the treadmills in all the health clubs! ;-) Fusion will work too, once we figure out how to do that. So far we haven't built one that puts out more than it consumes...but none so far have been intended to and the development is going according to plan so far. Those involved say they are adequately funded, it just takes time. >In the end we need fusion power. There should be the kind of effort the US >put into the moon landings to make it work. (After we educate the public about >the very real differences between fusion and fission. As it is they are so >afraid of anything nuclear that nothing can be done.) Yeah, especially since the environmental risks from either of those are lower than from what we are using instead...but the loudest ones know the least about it. Still, in our lifetimes we aren't likely to see a bike with a Mr. Fusion unit on it, so I'll still go with hydrogen and make that whatever way seems best. It's got lots of advantages over gasoline right now. The only ones gas wins on at the moment are ready availability and familiarity. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 16:27:34 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:27:04 -0400 From: smthng else To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? On 7/21/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > 1. How spirited was the ride? > 2. Did the tire hold? That line of reasoning ranks right up there with "Don't ride naked if you plan on hitting a truck." --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 16:31:05 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:53:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Why take chances with tires? On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, David Blumgart wrote: > Seriously, here's the thing - which I tried to explain in the part you removed. ALMOST CERTAINLY that guy waiting at the intersection won't make an abrupt left turn as I approach. ALMOST CERTAINLY that plugged/patched nail hole will be safe to ride on for 8,000 miles and won't cause a sudden tire failure at 70 MPH. But one I have no control over other than to be watchful and ready. The other I can, by eliminating any possiblity. And as the only downside is I'm $200 poorer, that's my recommendation. > > But hey, you're all adults, capable of making your own risk/reward calculations. You pays your money and you take your chances. Best of luck with yours. > > There was a thread on the 'Busa board about patch/plugged tires. Not one person could think of an incident where either failed, either through direct knowledge or even 2nd/3rd hand. That said, it's just as possible for a new tire to fail because of a fault in construction (happened to me and many people I know). Tire manufacturers approve of the patch/plug method, so I would think it is safe. Just my .02 :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 16:37:04 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:36:12 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX on the other hand.. if he's on the outter edge of the tires, then the inner tread doesn't matter right? On 7/21/05, Glenn Dysart wrote: > It was a spirited ride and the ride started off with > the cords showing. Personally if it had been me I > would have stayed home and ordered a new tire. > > Glenn > > > --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > > 1. How spirited was the ride? > > 2. Did the tire hold? > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 16:39:06 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:38:12 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Oh yea i probably would have stayed home too, thinking it would suck to be stuck far away from home with an unrepairable tire... but..to his credit, if he made it home, he obviously knows more than I do about the length of a tires life On 7/21/05, Glenn Dysart wrote: > It was a spirited ride and the ride started off with > the cords showing. Personally if it had been me I > would have stayed home and ordered a new tire. > > Glenn > > > --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > > 1. How spirited was the ride? > > 2. Did the tire hold? > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 16:45:36 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:45:33 -0400 From: skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? I've driven and ridden on "bologna-skin May-pops" more times than I can count. sure makes things 'interesting' in the rain :~) --skip Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > Oh yea i probably would have stayed home too, thinking it would suck > to be stuck far away from home with an unrepairable tire... but..to > his credit, if he made it home, he obviously knows more than I do > about the length of a tires life From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 18:45:52 2005 From: "Sean Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:45:43 -0400 I don't appreciate the suggestion that my Father is somehow lacking because of something that I did. I'm sure you wouldn't like me making implications regarding your Father's intelligence based on your wretched and fumbling attempt at rebuttal. You disagree with my Dad, so you go after him by pointing out something stupid that I did? GREAT logic - Get Gimer to help you construct some better arguments. Perhaps this is loosely a "guilt by association" argument, but it's definitely a logical fallacy. On the charge of riding on a knackered tired, I am guilty as charged. Glenn neglected to mention that this was probably 4-5 years ago. How many stupid things did he do in his early 20's? (FWIW, I would no longer ride on a tire showing its cords - I've moved onto badly worn sprockets and slipping chains.) I can point out a few stupid things done by guys you regularly ride with, but I won't hold them against you. At any rate, it hardly seems necessary - you're doing a fine job of proving yourself an idiot without the help of others. Sean Jordan >--- Michael Jordan wrote: > > > Because the structural integrity of the tire has > > been compromised. >From: Glenn Dysart >That's a big assumption. A single small hole won't >necessarily destroy the structural integrity of the >tire. >Maybe you should point this towards your son who rode >250 miles with us (you included) one day with cords >showing! That to me is much more dangerous then >patching a tire. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 18:59:19 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:59:16 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec794fae8b3748b1a7b868159fb02a493289350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c SJ: it hardly seems necessary - you're doing a fine job of proving yourself an idiot without the help of others. [Dave] I can feel the love on this list... ;-) Sure beats arguing about hybrid cages tho... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 19:03:18 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:03:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Jonathan Broga Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? And guns without wearing a helmet on a bike with striaght pipes - To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Wow - I have been away for a few years and thought the list seemed to have slowed down a bit. I guess there are still hot buttons. Do you guys still get together for group rides, seems like in addition to learning new routes that kind of face-to-face might mellow the urge to flame someone, once you have met them - ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 19:11:27 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:11:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Jonathan Broga To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Is it a faux pas to borrow a stand to change tires? And since we're feeling so communal, would anyone happen to want to loan me a front stand or a single side rear stand? I have two bikes to replace tires on and am feeling a bit tapped when it comes to having though dough to buy stands yet - Both bikes have 208's ( a Buell and a Hawk) and the Hawk feels very "tippy". Once you lean in it feels like you could do a 180 on a dime. The Buell just feels squirrely leaned over, not well planted. Anyone else have a poor opinion of 208's? I used to think 207 GP's were about perfect so I am suprised that the 208's have felt awkward on both bikes . . . __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 19:20:56 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:20:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Sean Jordan wrote: > I don't appreciate the suggestion that my Father is somehow lacking because > of something that I did. I'm sure you wouldn't like me making implications > regarding your Father's intelligence based on your wretched and fumbling > attempt at rebuttal... ... and so on, and so on, in genuine USEnet flame war style. Well, according to my reading of Glenn's post, he didn't insult your dad's intelligence, he didn't "go after him" at all, and he didn't hold your actions against your dad. And I've met your dad -- even swapped rides with him for a little bit -- and he's both a nice guy, and surely well able to defend himself if he feels the need. Having a bad week, Sean? -- Larry ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 21:19:23 2005 From: "Sean Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:19:14 -0400 >From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" >Well, according to my reading of Glenn's post, he didn't insult your dad's >intelligence, I did not imply that he had - I was illustrating my point by making a comparison. >he didn't "go after him" at all, and he didn't hold your actions >against your dad. I think the tone and wording of his comment was of an obviously hostile nature, and there was a suggestion of that my actions somehow indicated that his judgement or opinion was less than sound. Had he simply expressed the opinion that a tire with cords showing was less safe than a plugged tire, that might have been one thing. But his introduction of more personal elements was entirely without merit when one considers the context in which they were given. >And I've met your dad -- even swapped rides with him for a >little bit -- and he's both a nice guy, I agree. >and surely well able to defend himself if he feels the need. Undoubtedly - but Glenn decided to drag my name into the mix (and his doing so could in no way, shape, or form ever be considered reasonable support for his stance, and furthermore was entirely irrelevant - why bring it up?), and I think the tone of his "Maybe you should point out to your son" comment can hardly be considered neutral. For whatever reason, he felt he was on the ropes in that particular discussion, and had to bring up some diversionary nonsense to gain ground in the argument. >Having a bad week, Sean? Banal, smarmy, and a decidely weak finish to boot. Who's next? I have a whole 'nother day before I go out riding with my 'ol buddy, D.E.A., Esq. He's breaking in a new motor for his Desmosedici powered trike. . . . - Sean Jordan _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 22:34:33 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:34:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Is it a faux pas to borrow a stand to change tires? To: Jonathan Broga , dc-cycles@XXXXXX i have a single sided rear stand but the adaptor is for a duc 996. you're free to use it if (or even if you don't) find the right adaptor(s) for your rides. --- Jonathan Broga wrote: > And since we're feeling so communal, would anyone > happen to want to loan me a front stand or a single > side rear stand? I have two bikes to replace tires on > and am feeling a bit tapped when it comes to having > though dough to buy stands yet - > > Both bikes have 208's ( a Buell and a Hawk) and the > Hawk feels very "tippy". Once you lean in it feels > like you could do a 180 on a dime. The Buell just > feels squirrely leaned over, not well planted. Anyone > else have a poor opinion of 208's? I used to think 207 > GP's were about perfect so I am suprised that the > 208's have felt awkward on both bikes . . . > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection > around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) - http://www.murphygimer.com - http://www.mgtitlellc.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 22:51:06 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 22:49:08 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX ROTFL. good response. I'd rather anyone rode a bald tire than worn chain and sprockets though.. I guess i'm partial since tires haven't done me wrong, but i've had a chain lock up my rear wheel. On 7/21/05, Sean Jordan wrote: > I don't appreciate the suggestion that my Father is somehow lacking because > of something that I did. I'm sure you wouldn't like me making implications > regarding your Father's intelligence based on your wretched and fumbling > attempt at rebuttal. > > You disagree with my Dad, so you go after him by pointing out something > stupid that I did? GREAT logic - Get Gimer to help you construct some better > arguments. Perhaps this is loosely a "guilt by association" argument, but > it's definitely a logical fallacy. > > On the charge of riding on a knackered tired, I am guilty as charged. Glenn > neglected to mention that this was probably 4-5 years ago. How many stupid > things did he do in his early 20's? (FWIW, I would no longer ride on a tire > showing its cords - I've moved onto badly worn sprockets and slipping > chains.) > > I can point out a few stupid things done by guys you regularly ride with, > but I won't hold them against you. At any rate, it hardly seems necessary - > you're doing a fine job of proving yourself an idiot without the help of > others. > > Sean Jordan > > > >--- Michael Jordan wrote: > > > > > Because the structural integrity of the tire has > > > been compromised. > > > >From: Glenn Dysart > > >That's a big assumption. A single small hole won't > >necessarily destroy the structural integrity of the > >tire. > > >Maybe you should point this towards your son who rode > >250 miles with us (you included) one day with cords > >showing! That to me is much more dangerous then > >patching a tire. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 22:51:45 2005 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:51:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Sean Jordan wrote: > >Well, according to my reading of Glenn's post, he didn't insult your dad's > >intelligence, > > I did not imply that he had - I was illustrating my point by making a > comparison. No, you didn't imply that he had -- you stated that he had. > I think the tone and wording of his comment was of an obviously hostile > nature... I didn't read that attitude into his statement. >... and there was a suggestion of that my actions somehow indicated that > his judgement or opinion was less than sound. That there was. And it was a valid point of argument. >Had he simply expressed the > opinion that a tire with cords showing was less safe than a plugged tire, > that might have been one thing. But his introduction of more personal > elements was entirely without merit when one considers the context in which > they were given. Bullshit. You simply overreacted. >...For whatever reason, he felt he was on the > ropes in that particular discussion, and had to bring up some diversionary > nonsense to gain ground in the argument. Didn't look like a diversion to me. In a public discussion, as in politics, demonstrating hypocrisy, whether actual or inferred. is a standard tactic. > >Having a bad week, Sean? > > Banal, smarmy, and a decidely weak finish to boot. I was being kind to an obviously hypersensitive offspring of someone I've met and liked. Let me guess -- somone gave you a thesaurus for your fourteenth birthday and you've finally cracked it? Too bad it seems to have been the junior scholastic two-syllable abridged volume. I should have guessed from the "boy" in your email address. > Who's next? You're not ready for next. Stay in the shallow end. Sad to say, you don't appear to be much of a chip off the old block. -- Larry __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 23:01:29 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:01:13 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Security checks A couple of related urban security check instances seem worth sharing - as eclectic variances from stiff airport procedures. I normally carry a belly pack when bicycling or riding - full of the requisite gizmos. One of these is a mace tube -- a minimal defense but not so benign these days. A first surprise came on the 4th as I was bicycling near the Lincoln Memorial with its mall search points. I hadn't planned for a search, but there were the gendarmes and I wanted to cross Memorial Bridge. Soooo, the obvious hoops were navigated (early in the day and the guards were courteous) and the last stop was the pack search, at which point the Parks lady found the mace (its pretty nonintrusive, with its little leather scabbard), held it up, and said something like "We shouldn't let this through, you know." I came back with something clever like "I'd really rather not buy another one, please let me keep it." She looked at my pleading eyes, palmed it, turned her hand over, and shoved it my way saying "Well, don't use it here today." I thanked her, regrouped, and left. The second happened Wednesday, at a large presentation by the Indian P.M. Singh which I was attending (professional group). I'd ridden, and so had the belly pack, and again hadn't expected a bag search, but there it was with lots of people being (cursorily) picked over and passed on. I chose the full disclosure option, pointing out the mace to the uniform at the desk. She said, "Sorry, of course this can't go in." "Can I get it later?" "If you want to check back afterward no guarantees but it may be hereabouts." Which I did. While the check area had been broken down, a guard (familiar looking from entry) was standing around. I mentioned my need, she smiled, walked over to another guard type and talked briefly (negative thoughts running through my mind). He reached in his pocket, pulled out the mace, palmed it, and handed it to me. Off I went. Both these were nice surprises and took a bit of the pain out of anticipating security checks (Metro spot checks possibly coming soon). Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > Hmmmmm. How about the flares in my bags? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 21 23:04:31 2005 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:04:16 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] E-ZPass and privacy An update on E-ZPass, IT and privacy (Most issues seen on the list: A few new tidbits). A Pass on Privacy? http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/17/magazine/17WWLN.html? Bill S. / DC (on digest) '99 VN750 > No private parts. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 07:29:52 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:29:45 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? > ... Desmosedici powered trike. . . . The thought that someone might even contemplate this makes my head hurt. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 07:31:02 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:30:58 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? > Sure beats arguing about hybrid cages tho... How 'bout hybrid cages with bad tires? -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 07:34:36 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:34:34 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? And guns without wearing a helmet on a bike with striaght pipes - > Do you guys still get together for group rides, seems > like in addition to learning new routes that kind of > face-to-face might mellow the urge to flame someone, > once you have met them - Unfortunately, that was about a 2-3 year phenomenon. It died just about the same time that Collin got transferred. The on-line BS was prevalent even then and caused a number of the more active riders to bail and never be heard from again. 'Twas fun while it lasted. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 07:46:11 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:45:58 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/21/2005 3:38:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, skip@XXXXXX writes: > Well, Dave, it looks like you're going to want to steer clear of the > Woodrow Wilson Bridge for the next 10-15 years... You likely do get it but just in case I was not clear. We need fusion _power_plants_ much like the coal, oil, fission plants we have now to create the electrical energy needed to produce the quantity of hydrogen that would be needed to operate the volume of cars on the road. I was _not_ talking about fusion cars/bikes. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 07:47:43 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 04:47:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Ahhh Mr Anker.... see below. --- Sean Jordan wrote: > > > >From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" > > >Well, according to my reading of Glenn's post, he > didn't insult your dad's > >intelligence, > > I did not imply that he had - I was illustrating my > point by making a > comparison. > > >he didn't "go after him" at all, and he didn't hold > your actions > >against your dad. > > I think the tone and wording of his comment was of > an obviously hostile > nature, and there was a suggestion of that my > actions somehow indicated that > his judgement or opinion was less than sound. Had he > simply expressed the > opinion that a tire with cords showing was less safe > than a plugged tire, > that might have been one thing. But his introduction > of more personal > elements was entirely without merit when one > considers the context in which > they were given. > Lets see here, I point out your stupidity of starting out a ride with cords showing and I'm the idiot? What the hell were you thinking? Even when I was street riding at 16 I wouldn't have done something so stupid. No hostility, just pointing out the facts. > >And I've met your dad -- even swapped rides with > him for a > >little bit -- and he's both a nice guy, > > I agree. > > >and surely well able to defend himself if he feels > the need. > > Undoubtedly - but Glenn decided to drag my name into > the mix (and his doing > so could in no way, shape, or form ever be > considered reasonable support for > his stance, and furthermore was entirely irrelevant > - why bring it up?), and > I think the tone of his "Maybe you should point out > to your son" comment can > hardly be considered neutral. For whatever reason, > he felt he was on the > ropes in that particular discussion, and had to > bring up some diversionary > nonsense to gain ground in the argument. > > Why bring it up? Because someone mentioned riding on cords and yours was the only example I could think of where someone had done this. In comparison, one of my riding buddies noticed cords showing on a 1200 mile ride and was about 150 miles from home, his stayed the night in the town he was in and replaced the tire the following morning. That was the right thing to do IMO. And the point of your name being used when I was talking to your father was it seemed like he was preaching about patching and/or plugging a tire. I merely pointed out something you had done and he didn't seem phased by at the time. Call me some more names, that will help you defend yourself better for your actions that day. ;-) Glenn __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 07:56:24 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:56:04 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/21/2005 4:22:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > Still, in our lifetimes we aren't likely to see a bike > with a Mr. Fusion unit on it, Again, I did not say fusion powered bikes. That is not at all likely period. But you do need clean electrical power to produce enough hydrogen. The whole point is to get away from fossil fuels, so just using fossil fuels to generate electricity to produce hydrogen is not the solution. The headline I can see is; "There was a major hydrogen leak downtown today, everyone involved in the House and Senate budget debates sounded like Donald Duck..." John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 08:07:43 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "Michael Jordan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:07:30 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? I sighed in relief: > Sure beats arguing about hybrid cages tho... MJ: offered: How 'bout hybrid cages with bad tires? To which I reply: Maybe we could come up with a new iteration of "circles". While in the HOV lanes, see how many complete circles you can make around the hybrids at speed. Lane change around them, then to the other side, decelerate, lane change around them again, accelerate, etc... Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 08:08:19 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 05:08:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? And guns without wearing a helmet on a bike with striaght pipes - To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX A bunch of us still ride together but we don't announce it to the list. Quite honestly it was getting to the point that too many people were showing up for rides and people were not getting into the proper groups, i.e. they were getting into the "fast" group when they only only ever been on a handful of rides. More times then not accident would occur which of course ended the day. Not only that but riding with a bunch of strangers can be interesting to say the least. Always happy to ride with someone like Michael Jordan though as he fits my mold of a solid rider. Glenn --- Michael Jordan wrote: > > Do you guys still get together for group rides, > seems > > like in addition to learning new routes that kind > of > > face-to-face might mellow the urge to flame > someone, > > once you have met them - > > Unfortunately, that was about a 2-3 year phenomenon. > It died just > about the same time that Collin got transferred. The > on-line BS was > prevalent even then and caused a number of the more > active riders to > bail and never be heard from again. > > 'Twas fun while it lasted. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 08:13:35 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:36:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: [dc-cycles] Group rides On Fri, 22 Jul 2005, Glenn Dysart wrote: > Always happy to ride with someone like Michael Jordan > though as he fits my mold of a solid rider. > > Glenn I'd love to see some group rides posted, or at least a common destination :-) , once the weather cools down a bit (sorry, when it's over 90, I'm in a cage with the AC blasting). I just moved and now I'm on Thurston Rd in Frederick, so I'm close to a lot of great riding. -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 09:27:09 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:26:37 -0400 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls At 07:45 AM 7/22/05 EDT, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 7/21/2005 3:38:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, skip@XXXXXX >writes: > >> Well, Dave, it looks like you're going to want to steer clear of the >> Woodrow Wilson Bridge for the next 10-15 years... > >You likely do get it but just in case I was not clear. We need fusion >_power_plants_ much like the coal, oil, fission plants we have now to create the >electrical energy needed to produce the quantity of hydrogen that would be needed >to operate the volume of cars on the road. >I was _not_ talking about fusion cars/bikes. And even if you were, fusion plants won't leave places radioactive for decades if something goes wrong. Their "fuel" is basically water. There's some radiation while they run, and they may induce some in their own structure, but there's no "spent fuel disposal" or "China syndrome" problems. That's fission. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 09:27:28 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:27:25 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > And the point of your name being used when I was > talking to your father was it seemed like he was > preaching about patching and/or plugging a tire. I didn't think that I was preaching - merely stating that I won't ride for long on a plugged tire. Personal opinion. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 09:41:37 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:33:56 -0400 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls At 07:56 AM 7/22/05 EDT, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 7/21/2005 4:22:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >omni@XXXXXX writes: > >> Still, in our lifetimes we aren't likely to see a bike >> with a Mr. Fusion unit on it, > >Again, I did not say fusion powered bikes. That is not at all likely period. I know, I just liked that scene in Back To The Future... ;-) >But you do need clean electrical power to produce enough hydrogen. The whole >point is to get away from fossil fuels, so just using fossil fuels to generate >electricity to produce hydrogen is not the solution. True, but there are alternatives for that other than fusion...though fusion is a good one if you can make it work. Until then we have solar, wind, hydroelectric, tides, geothermal and some others. Which is best will depend where you live...we're a bit short on geothermal around here for instance, but the bay would make a great source of tidal power if we modified the Bay Bridge Tunnel area a bit. >The headline I can see is; "There was a major hydrogen leak downtown today, >everyone involved in the House and Senate budget debates sounded like Donald >Duck..." Funny, but as unlikely as the Mr. Fusion unit. Hydrogen rises too fast for a leak to do much more than a few feet away, even for a really big one. As far as safety goes, remember the Hindenburg? Watch the film and see where the flames go...then compare that to what happens when a gas vehicle gets a ruptured tank and burns. I'd rather be watching the fire head for the clouds than sit in a burning puddle any day... -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 10:48:47 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:48:41 -0400 From: skip To: DC Cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] [Fwd: Re: HOV/HOT lanes] Well, we've got one guy in Richmond on our side... --skip -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: HOV/HOT lanes Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:39:27 -0400 From: "Delegate Dick Black" To: "Skip Smith" Dear Arthur: Thank you for your message regarding motorcycles in the HOV and HOT lanes. Delegate Black has been a long-time supporter of the motorcycle community. Although we have not heard of any plans to change the motorcycle status in the HOV lanes, Delegate Black will not support banning them from using HOV. In addition, Delegate Black strongly supports allowing motorcycles to use the HOT lanes. I appreciate you contacting us about this important issue. Delegate Black will continue to be a consistant supporter of the motorcycle community. Warm regards, Michelle Staton Aide >> >> >>> Dear Delegate Black, >>> >>> I am writing you today to share my concerns regarding the move to create >>> HOT lanes. It has come to my attention that the current plan is to >>> remove motorcycle's high occupancy status with regards to HOT lanes. >>> Presently, motorcycles are considered "high occupancy" and are permitted >>> to use HOV lanes. Motorcycles, in wide use in the rest of the world, >>> are a very economical >>> mode of transportation. They are extremely fuel efficient, with many >>> models getting 45-50 miles per gallon. They cause significantly less >>> were and tear to the roads they travel, mostly because instead of >>> weighing in at two or three thousand pounds, they generally weigh less >>> than 600 pounds, and their small size makes motorcycle parking very >>> space efficient; you can easily park four motorcycles in one car parking >>> spot. >>> >>> When people see a motorcycle in the HOT lane, rolling along at the speed >>> limit and paying no toll while they are sitting in traffic, they will >>> consider commuting on one, and with every motorcycle on the road saving >>> 20-40 miles per gallon and reducing wear on the highways, we all win. >>> >>> I urge you to not allow the high occupancy status of motorcycles to be >>> removed regarding HOV/HOT lanes. >>> >>> Respectfully, >>> >>> Arthur C Smith, IV >>> 733 Sugarland Run Dr >>> Sterling, VA 20164 >>> >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 10:58:49 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:58:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Is it a faux pas to borrow a stand to change tires? To: Jonathan Broga , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Some of the folks on the ZRX forum have complained about the 208s. Something to do with the curvature of the tire, across the tread, making the bike more inclined to fall over vs. smooth lean. Have no experience with them myself, but I do know of some others that haven't been real happy with the way they handle. Sounds like may be your case with the Hawk. But, with the Buell, it sounds like maybe a suspension issue? - Jimmy --- Jonathan Broga wrote: > Both bikes have 208's ( a Buell and a Hawk) and the > Hawk feels very "tippy". Once you lean in it feels > like you could do a 180 on a dime. The Buell just > feels squirrely leaned over, not well planted. Anyone > else have a poor opinion of 208's? I used to think 207 > GP's were about perfect so I am suprised that the > 208's have felt awkward on both bikes . . . __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 11:03:17 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:03:13 -0400 From: skip To: "James O'Connor" CC: Jonathan Broga , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Is it a faux pas to borrow a stand to change tires? I rode a friend's bike that had the 205's, and it felt like you were on a knife edge. turn-in to a corner was less than confidence inspiring, but once you were leaned over, they were very solid. tippy is a good way to describe it. I suspect it's the tire. I've been having good luck with the metzler ME88's --skip James O'Connor wrote: > > Some of the folks on the ZRX forum have complained about the 208s. > Something to do with the curvature of the tire, across the tread, > making the bike more inclined to fall over vs. smooth lean. Have no > experience with them myself, but I do know of some others that > haven't been real happy with the way they handle. Sounds like may be > your case with the Hawk. But, with the Buell, it sounds like maybe a > suspension issue? > > - Jimmy > > --- Jonathan Broga wrote: > > Both bikes have 208's ( a Buell and a Hawk) and the > > Hawk feels very "tippy". Once you lean in it feels > > like you could do a 180 on a dime. The Buell just > > feels squirrely leaned over, not well planted. Anyone > > else have a poor opinion of 208's? I used to think 207 > > GP's were about perfect so I am suprised that the > > 208's have felt awkward on both bikes . . . > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 11:13:56 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:14:33 -0400 To: skip , DC Cycles From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] [Fwd: Re: HOV/HOT lanes] Do you? Read *very* carefully and you will note that Black's assistant didn't say that he supported letting motorcycles use HOT lanes *free of charge*. . . "Plausible deniability" ring any bells? -- Mike B. At 10:48 AM 7/22/05 -0400, skip wrote: >Well, we've got one guy in Richmond on our side... > >--skip > >-------- Original Message -------- >Subject: Re: HOV/HOT lanes >Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:39:27 -0400 >From: "Delegate Dick Black" >To: "Skip Smith" >References: <012f01c58b97$a8d6d020$0601a8c0@Laptop> > > >Dear Arthur: > >Thank you for your message regarding motorcycles in the HOV and HOT >lanes. >Delegate Black has been a long-time supporter of the motorcycle >community. >Although we have not heard of any plans to change the motorcycle status >in >the HOV lanes, Delegate Black will not support banning them from using >HOV. >In addition, Delegate Black strongly supports allowing motorcycles to >use >the HOT lanes. > >I appreciate you contacting us about this important issue. Delegate >Black >will continue to be a consistant supporter of the motorcycle community. > >Warm regards, >Michelle Staton >Aide > > > > > >>> >>> >>>> Dear Delegate Black, >>>> >>>> I am writing you today to share my concerns regarding the move to create >>>> HOT lanes. It has come to my attention that the current plan is to >>>> remove motorcycle's high occupancy status with regards to HOT lanes. >>>> Presently, motorcycles are considered "high occupancy" and are permitted >>>> to use HOV lanes. Motorcycles, in wide use in the rest of the world, >>>> are a very economical >>>> mode of transportation. They are extremely fuel efficient, with many >>>> models getting 45-50 miles per gallon. They cause significantly less >>>> were and tear to the roads they travel, mostly because instead of >>>> weighing in at two or three thousand pounds, they generally weigh less >>>> than 600 pounds, and their small size makes motorcycle parking very >>>> space efficient; you can easily park four motorcycles in one car parking >>>> spot. >>>> >>>> When people see a motorcycle in the HOT lane, rolling along at the speed >>>> limit and paying no toll while they are sitting in traffic, they will >>>> consider commuting on one, and with every motorcycle on the road saving >>>> 20-40 miles per gallon and reducing wear on the highways, we all win. >>>> >>>> I urge you to not allow the high occupancy status of motorcycles to be >>>> removed regarding HOV/HOT lanes. >>>> >>>> Respectfully, >>>> >>>> Arthur C Smith, IV >>>> 733 Sugarland Run Dr >>>> Sterling, VA 20164 >>>> >>> >> > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 11:44:53 2005 From: "Sean Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:44:44 -0400 >From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? >Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:51:37 -0700 (PDT) > >--- Sean Jordan wrote: > > > >Well, according to my reading of Glenn's post, he didn't insult your >dad's > > >intelligence, > > > > I did not imply that he had - I was illustrating my point by making a > > comparison. > >No, you didn't imply that he had -- you stated that he had. I did? I said "You (Glenn) insulted my dad's intelligence"? (Or anything even remotely similar? Remember, if you'll recall, a "statement" is an assertion or declaration.) I never, at any point in time, made any statement that Glenn's post insulted my father's intelligence. Nothing that I said even comes close to that. I did say "I don't appreciate the suggestion that my Father is somehow lacking because of something that I did." This says nothing about anyone's intelligence being insulted, nor is there any language to that effect. I did however, attempt to draw a parallel (since the comparison was similar in particulars), speculating that Glenn would not like it if I made assumptions about his father based on his actions - in this case, I chose intelligence, because I thought Glenn's comment to be stupid. For someone that wants to come off as Mr. Maturity-Look-at-my-savvy-Usenet-reference, one would think that your reading comprehension would be better. > >... and there was a suggestion of that my actions somehow indicated that > > his judgement or opinion was less than sound. > >That there was. And it was a valid point of argument. No it wasn't. It was a clear logical fallacy, and a low-blow to boot. Ergo, it was not a valid point of argument. Let me recap the argument for you: Glenn: Plugs = ok Michael J: Plug = not ok Now, saying "Your son rode on bald tires" is not only irrelevant, it in now way refutes my father's opinion that plugged tires are unsafe. > >Had he simply expressed the > > opinion that a tire with cords showing was less safe than a plugged >tire, > > that might have been one thing. But his introduction of more personal > > elements was entirely without merit when one considers the context in >which > > they were given. > >Bullshit. You simply overreacted. No, not bullshit. His comments regarding my decision to ride on bald tires were completely without merit - they had no place in a discussion regarding the viability and/or wisdom of riding on plugged tires. > >...For whatever reason, he felt he was on the > > ropes in that particular discussion, and had to bring up some >diversionary > > nonsense to gain ground in the argument. > >Didn't look like a diversion to me. In a public discussion, as in politics, >demonstrating hypocrisy, whether actual or inferred. is a standard tactic. I agree with you - demonstrating hypocrisy is a standard tactic in diminishing the credibility of another person. However, there was NO hypocrisy here. My father did not ride on a bald tire - I did. If my actions cannot be reconciled with my father's beliefs, that's not hypocrisy. If you'd like, you can borrow my dictionary - the thesaurus too, if you need it. > > > >Having a bad week, Sean? > > > > Banal, smarmy, and a decidely weak finish to boot. > >I was being kind to an obviously hypersensitive offspring of someone I've >met and >liked. Being kind? I should hardly think so. Why post publicly if your intent was to be "kind?" You disliked my initial post, as evidenced by the tone of your original response, and the rabidity by which you respond here. I think it's obvious that you had anything but kindness in mind when you hit the send button. >Let me guess -- somone gave you a thesaurus for your fourteenth birthday >and >you've finally cracked it? Too bad it seems to have been the junior >scholastic >two-syllable abridged volume. I should have guessed from the "boy" in your >email >address. Oooooh! That was really quite the intellectual (5 syllables) leap - "boy" in email must mean that he's a boy in real life! By that logic, if we examine your email, you must be a ghost! That would also explain why your attempts at contemptuous (4 syllables) commentary (4 syllables + alliteration (5 syllables) bonus) are so weak as to be considered insubstantial (4 syllables + double-entendre bonus) > > Who's next? > >You're not ready for next. Stay in the shallow end. You're right - and I'm glad that you're here to keep me company. Please try to keep your head above water - the gasping is a bit disturbing. >Sad to say, you don't appear to be much of a chip off the old block. In-depth character analysis in 2 emails - don't strain yourself, Maestro. _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 12:36:21 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:36:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] I need new Sport/Touring tires I'm needing new tires. I've been riding around with a nail in my front tire, and the rear is about to the bars. NOTE - the tire is NOT plugged or patched, therefore I am OK ;) . I ride about 1000 miles a month, 99% of it commuting from Herndon to DC. I want to match front and rear tires and want a rear that will go at least 7-8k miles commuting. Tire needs to handle rain and sub-freezing temps (not at the same time). I don't want Bridgestone 020s. 120/70/17 & 180/55/17 sized. I've been thinking of: Dunlop 220 Avon 45/46 Pilot Road Metzler Z6 or Z4 Anyone have experience with any of the above? - Jimmy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 13:17:28 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:17:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] I need new Sport/Touring tires To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Just curious what you don't like about the 020's? Glenn --- James O'Connor wrote: > I'm needing new tires. I've been riding around with > a nail in my > front tire, and the rear is about to the bars. NOTE > - the tire is > NOT plugged or patched, therefore I am OK ;) . > > I ride about 1000 miles a month, 99% of it commuting > from Herndon to > DC. I want to match front and rear tires and want a > rear that will > go at least 7-8k miles commuting. Tire needs to > handle rain and > sub-freezing temps (not at the same time). I don't > want Bridgestone > 020s. 120/70/17 & 180/55/17 sized. > > I've been thinking of: > Dunlop 220 > Avon 45/46 > Pilot Road > Metzler Z6 or Z4 > > Anyone have experience with any of the above? > > - Jimmy > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 13:21:35 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:21:26 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] I need new Sport/Touring tires James O'Connor wrote: >I ride about 1000 miles a month, 99% of it commuting from Herndon to >DC. I want to match front and rear tires and want a rear that will >go at least 7-8k miles commuting. Tire needs to handle rain and >sub-freezing temps (not at the same time). I don't want Bridgestone >020s. 120/70/17 & 180/55/17 sized. > >I've been thinking of: >Dunlop 220 >Avon 45/46 >Pilot Road >Metzler Z6 or Z4 > >Anyone have experience with any of the above? > > Nope, but I've had the Bridgestone 020's on two different bikes (one a sportbike) almost all year riding with no problems. Actually a really good tire. Tom de ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 13:27:15 2005 From: "Paul Hutchins" To: wayne@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] Group rides Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:27:07 -0400 There's a resident on Thurston who's been known to 'seed' the turn in front of the their yard in an attempt to 'discourage' the two-wheelers from riding Thurston. Be careful going to/from your house. It's the first real curve (a really nice left-hander) when coming from 109... >From: Wayne Edelen >To: >Subject: [dc-cycles] Group rides >Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:36:18 -0400 (EDT) > >On Fri, 22 Jul 2005, Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > Always happy to ride with someone like Michael Jordan > > though as he fits my mold of a solid rider. > > > > Glenn > >I'd love to see some group rides posted, or at least a common destination >:-) , once the weather cools down a bit (sorry, when it's over 90, I'm in >a cage with the AC blasting). > >I just moved and now I'm on Thurston Rd in Frederick, so I'm close to a >lot of great riding. > >-- Wayne > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 13:32:24 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:31:47 -0400 From: smthng else To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] I need new Sport/Touring tires On 7/22/05, James O'Connor wrote: > I'm needing new tires. I've been riding around with a nail in my > front tire, and the rear is about to the bars. NOTE - the tire is > NOT plugged or patched, therefore I am OK ;) . That's good... we'd hate to have to drag your family into this! :P > I ride about 1000 miles a month, 99% of it commuting from Herndon to > DC. I want to match front and rear tires and want a rear that will > go at least 7-8k miles commuting. Tire needs to handle rain and > sub-freezing temps (not at the same time). I don't want Bridgestone > 020s. 120/70/17 & 180/55/17 sized. > I've been thinking of: > Dunlop 220 > Avon 45/46 > Pilot Road > Metzler Z6 or Z4 I have the Z6's on my FJR now and had the Avon's on my FZ1. I hated the Avons, even took them back to the dealer because they felt so bad. Apparently, they have a kind of zig-zag tread pattern than causes a wobble at low speeds. Felt like cr@p to me. I've always liked every Metzeler I've had on any bike and am quite happy with the Z6's on the FJR. I'm running the "B" on the rear and the regular on the front. Great feeling tires and they show no signs of premature wear, even after 2000 miles on interstates. I'd definately snag another set when I eat up this pair. The only other tire I'd consider is the Pirelli Diablo Strada, but I want to hear a bit more from other FJR owners who's run them. You didn't say what bike you had, but if it's got anything like the weight of the FJR, you can't really go wrong with the Z6's as long as you get the right version for your bike (in other words, make sure you do or don't need the B spec tires front and/or back). --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 13:37:51 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:37:48 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Group rides > There's a resident on Thurston who's been known to 'seed' the turn in front > of the their yard 'Twould be nice to have photographic evidence of that - it could mean jail time. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 13:45:00 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:44:51 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Group rides > There's a resident on Thurston who's been known to 'seed' the turn in front > of the their yard 'Twould be nice to have photographic evidence of that - it could mean jail time. [Dave] I'd say videographic. and even that's a reach... If it's something innocent enough like real grass seed, or manure; unlikely. marbles, roof nails, oil... just maybe... Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 13:46:46 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:46:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] I need new Sport/Touring tires To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX The 020s came from the factory on my ZRX. They seem to stick well enough and have gotten through iffy weather without a problem. But, the 020 front has a notable cupping problem and from what I understand, most everyone running the 020 runs into this. I started noticing mine around 5k miles. PSI has been maintained per the book. Other than the cupping, I'm happy with them. But, considering the 4-5 other tire considerations I have, I'm inclined to try a different tire to see how they stack up. -Jimmy --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > Just curious what you don't like about the 020's? > > Glenn __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 13:58:42 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:58:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] I need new Sport/Touring tires To: you@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Kawasaki ZRX1200. Wet 544 lbs. Operating 709 lbs. Good note about the Avons, I hadn't heard that before. Everyone seems to rave about the Metzlers, glad you're experience confirms this. I thought about the PD Strada also, but it may still be a bit more sport mileaged than I want, but I haven't ruled it out. -Jimmy --- smthng else wrote: > I have the Z6's on my FJR now and had the Avon's on my FZ1. I > hated > the Avons, even took them back to the dealer because they felt so > bad. > Apparently, they have a kind of zig-zag tread pattern than causes > a > wobble at low speeds. Felt like cr@p to me. > > I've always liked every Metzeler I've had on any bike and am quite > happy with the Z6's on the FJR. I'm running the "B" on the rear > and > the regular on the front. Great feeling tires and they show no > signs > of premature wear, even after 2000 miles on interstates. I'd > definately snag another set when I eat up this pair. The only > other > tire I'd consider is the Pirelli Diablo Strada, but I want to hear > a > bit more from other FJR owners who's run them. > > You didn't say what bike you had, but if it's got anything like the > weight of the FJR, you can't really go wrong with the Z6's as long > as > you get the right version for your bike (in other words, make sure > you > do or don't need the B spec tires front and/or back). > > --smthng > http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 14:16:27 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:16:24 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] I need new Sport/Touring tires I've been VERY happy with Z4s on my GSX1100G over the past 8 or so years (since they came out). I'll probably try a set of Z6s in the near future, and I anticipate liking they as well or better. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 14:19:53 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:19:50 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Group rides > > There's a resident on Thurston who's been known to 'seed' the turn in front > > of the their yard > > 'Twould be nice to have photographic evidence of that - it could mean jail time. > > [Dave] I'd say videographic. and even that's a reach... If it's something innocent enough like real grass seed, or manure; unlikely. marbles, roof nails, oil... just maybe... What needs to be established is intent - the actual material is irrelevant. If the guy's just mowing his lawn and his mower sprays the clippings onto the road surface, that's one thing. If he's deliberately spreading any material on the road surface that would cause a decrease in traction, that's quite another. The word "malicious" pops into mind. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 14:35:27 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:35:20 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] I need new Sport/Touring tires James O'Connor wrote: > Other than the cupping, I'm happy with them. But, considering the >4-5 other tire considerations I have, I'm inclined to try a different >tire to see how they stack up. > > I've had no cupping, but I think I'll be getting the Z6's next change... Tom de ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 14:46:34 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:45:55 -0400 From: Thomas Jordan To: dc-cycles Subject: [dc-cycles] What if........ ....you had a tire, front or rear, which was worn down to the cords. And you stuck a plug in between each strand of cording material, steel or poly, effectually replacing the lost rubber? -Thomas Jordan Umm... Is this where I'm supposed to point out to Glenn something stupid that has been done in the past by one of his family members? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 15:04:56 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:04:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] What if........ To: Thomas Jordan , dc-cycles So long as said plugs are 100% rubber, you'll be ok. Otherwise, you might be better just covering the tire in rubber cement and allowing to dry. Best yet, do both. Better safe than sorry ;\ -Jimmy --- Thomas Jordan wrote: > ....you had a tire, front or rear, which was worn down to the > cords. > And you stuck a plug in between each strand of cording material, > steel > or poly, effectually replacing the lost rubber? > > -Thomas Jordan > > Umm... Is this where I'm supposed to point out to Glenn something > stupid that has been done in the past by one of his family members? > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 15:13:11 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:12:25 -0400 From: Thomas Jordan To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] What if........ You're probably right. It'd be best to dismount the tire and patch the inside once you get the plugs in. On 7/22/05, James O'Connor wrote: > So long as said plugs are 100% rubber, you'll be ok. Otherwise, you > might be better just covering the tire in rubber cement and allowing > to dry. Best yet, do both. Better safe than sorry ;\ > > -Jimmy > > > --- Thomas Jordan wrote: > > > ....you had a tire, front or rear, which was worn down to the > > cords. > > And you stuck a plug in between each strand of cording material, > > steel > > or poly, effectually replacing the lost rubber? > > > > -Thomas Jordan > > > > Umm... Is this where I'm supposed to point out to Glenn something > > stupid that has been done in the past by one of his family members? > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 15:18:05 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:17:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] What if........ To: Thomas Jordan , dc-cycles I'm not trying to beat a dead horse, but I would still consider the rubber cement. While you have the tire off, a good layer of rubber cement on the inside of the carcass will go a long way. Patched, plugged, and rubber cemented for good show....the only other thing I can think of is duct tape. That one is a personal call. -Jimmy --- Thomas Jordan wrote: > You're probably right. It'd be best to dismount the tire and patch > the > inside once you get the plugs in. > > On 7/22/05, James O'Connor wrote: > > So long as said plugs are 100% rubber, you'll be ok. Otherwise, > you > > might be better just covering the tire in rubber cement and > allowing > > to dry. Best yet, do both. Better safe than sorry ;\ > > > > -Jimmy > > > > > > --- Thomas Jordan wrote: > > > > > ....you had a tire, front or rear, which was worn down to the > > > cords. > > > And you stuck a plug in between each strand of cording > material, > > > steel > > > or poly, effectually replacing the lost rubber? > > > > > > -Thomas Jordan > > > > > > Umm... Is this where I'm supposed to point out to Glenn > something > > > stupid that has been done in the past by one of his family > members? > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 15:22:57 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:22:20 -0400 From: Thomas Jordan To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] What if........ Ok... So plug it, patch the inside, apply a liberal coating of rubber cement, wrap in duct-tape, and throw in a can of Fix-A-Flat (c). Might as well throw it off balance to counter-act the bulges allegedly caused by plugging a radial tire. And for good measures, insult the Dysart family. On 7/22/05, James O'Connor wrote: > I'm not trying to beat a dead horse, but I would still consider the > rubber cement. While you have the tire off, a good layer of rubber > cement on the inside of the carcass will go a long way. Patched, > plugged, and rubber cemented for good show....the only other thing I > can think of is duct tape. That one is a personal call. > > -Jimmy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 15:40:18 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:39:33 -0400 From: smthng else To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] What if........ On 7/22/05, Thomas Jordan wrote: > Ok... So plug it, patch the inside, apply a liberal coating of rubber > cement, wrap in duct-tape, and throw in a can of Fix-A-Flat (c). Might > as well throw it off balance to counter-act the bulges allegedly > caused by plugging a radial tire. And for good measures, insult the > Dysart family. I've heard the regular duct tape is pretty slick when used this way... you need to use the double-sided duct tape. Clean regularly with Simple Green... it won't strip the goo off. --smthng http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 15:45:52 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:45:19 -0400 From: Thomas Jordan To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] What if........ I prefer Simple Glenn. On 7/22/05, smthng else wrote: > I've heard the regular duct tape is pretty slick when used this way... > you need to use the double-sided duct tape. Clean regularly with > Simple Green... it won't strip the goo off. > > --smthng > http://spaces.msn.com/members/smthng/ > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 19:01:44 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 19:24:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: dc-cycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] What if........ On Fri, 22 Jul 2005, Thomas Jordan wrote: > I prefer Simple Glenn. C'mon guys, let it go or go settle it with Glenn face to face. But for the love of all things great and small, stop whining about it. :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 19:04:42 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 19:04:30 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Oooooh! That was really quite the intellectual (5 syllables) leap - "boy" in email must mean that he's a boy in real life! By that logic, if we examine your email, you must be a ghost! That would also explain why your attempts at contemptuous (4 syllables) commentary (4 syllables + alliteration (5 syllables) bonus) are so weak as to be considered insubstantial (4 syllables + double-entendre bonus) >> LOL arguement flame fest scrabble.. new from parker brothers! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 19:08:20 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 19:08:18 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls > As far as safety goes, remember the Hindenburg? Watch the film and see > where the flames go...then compare that to what happens when a gas vehicle > gets a ruptured tank and burns. I'd rather be watching the fire head for > the clouds than sit in a burning puddle any day... I saw a demo some years ago - two containers with the energy equivalents of gasoline and hydrogen. A tracer round was sent through the hydrogen container with little to no fuss (a small ball of fire rose rapidly) Then another was sent through the gasoline's container. Think "Apocalypse Now". I would MUCH rather have a hydrogen container nestled 'tween my legs than a gasoline one. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 19:10:01 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 19:09:59 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: Danny Motorcycle Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? Cc: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > LOL arguement flame fest scrabble.. new from parker brothers! Ya know - it could work... -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 19:15:18 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 19:15:11 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] What if........ Cc: dc-cycles oh no it's like the hattfield and mccoys all over again! lol confusious say, in a pissing contest, man with the highest thigh high boots wins From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 19:37:38 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:00:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls On Fri, 22 Jul 2005, Michael Jordan wrote: > A tracer round was sent through the hydrogen container with little to > no fuss (a small ball of fire rose rapidly) > > Then another was sent through the gasoline's container. Think "Apocalypse Now". > > I would MUCH rather have a hydrogen container nestled 'tween my legs > than a gasoline one. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the tanks to power hydrogen vehicles would be under incredible pressure, right? Something on the order of 5000psi. I'm not sure that I'd want that between my legs :-) -- Wayne From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 20:24:05 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:23:56 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls At 08:00 PM 7/22/05 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >On Fri, 22 Jul 2005, Michael Jordan wrote: >> I would MUCH rather have a hydrogen container nestled 'tween my legs >> than a gasoline one. > >Correct me if I'm wrong, but the tanks to power hydrogen vehicles would be >under incredible pressure, right? Something on the order of 5000psi. I'm >not sure that I'd want that between my legs :-) Consider yourself corrected. ;-) Yes, you *could* just pressurize the stuff like mad, but as you say, if the tank ruptures, that's ugly time. No worse than with a SCUBA tank at 3000psi strapped to your back, and maybe better (at least you won't be under 80 feet of water at the time...one hopes!), but still ugly. You could also store it in liquid form. Chill it way down past "damn cold" and even "unbelievably damn cold" and it liquifies and you can get a whole bunch of it in a small space at low pressure. Since no insulation is perfect, you will steadily lose some as it boils off, but you can use that to power your cold suit for summer commuting use. Get you as chilly as you like, no problem! You can also throw the ice that forms on the tank at cagers that misbehave. ;-) Refilling would be pretty quick too, just pump the liquid into the tank and go...though you'll want to wear some serious gloves and a suit while handling the equipment for that. There's a better way for vehicular use though: you fill a tank with small granules of a nickel alloy, then pump gaseous hydrogen through them as you cool them to lowish human temps (above zero centigrade, but cold...like in your refrigerator or freezer). Some of the hydrogen will form an alloy with the metal granules, and you'll get a fair bit of it into the tank without high pressures (a few psi). To get it back out, you warm the tank up (couple hundred degrees is good, but some will come out even at low temps so you have some to start your engine/heater with). The main issue is how long it takes to "recharge" the tank. The prototypes I've heard of take a few hours...but with work maybe they can get that down. Different metal alloys, or different granule forming techniques (more surface area is good), or whatever. For bike use the weight is a factor too. A 100 mi tank for a 1980s Ford Grenada was the size of a spare tire but weighed over 200 lbs. In a car you can live with that, but on a bike? That's what I've heard on TV shows about it, and they've actually done this back in the 80s, so it's not totally blue sky stuff. They've also talked about using liquid hydrogen to power airliners...the tanks need to be much bigger, but otherwise it will work. Jet engines aren't all that fussy apparently, and the boiling off thing isn't a major issue as they go fly as soon as they are refueled in most cases...they don't sit for days with full tanks like some cars do. I don't know how expensive gas has to get, or what pollution restrictions in cities will have to be like before this stuff becomes popular or essential, but we're headed that way. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 20:24:05 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:09:24 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Hydrogen power [was: HOT lanes = Bike Tolls] At 07:08 PM 7/22/05 -0400, Michael Jordan wrote: >> As far as safety goes, remember the Hindenburg? Watch the film and see >> where the flames go...then compare that to what happens when a gas vehicle >> gets a ruptured tank and burns. I'd rather be watching the fire head for >> the clouds than sit in a burning puddle any day... > >I saw a demo some years ago - two containers with the energy >equivalents of gasoline and hydrogen. > >A tracer round was sent through the hydrogen container with little to >no fuss (a small ball of fire rose rapidly) > >Then another was sent through the gasoline's container. Think "Apocalypse Now". I saw another demo back in the 80s. Three tanks, same energy equivalent in each. One gasoline, one propane gas and one hydrogen stored as a metal hydride (hydrogen acts like a metal (look where it is on the periodic chart) and can "alloy" with some other metals, yielding a very compact, but heavy, storage system). They put a lit torch next to each one, then punched a hole with a high powered rifle from a safe distance. Propane: Exploded like a bomb (you could see the shock wave in disturbed air and sand and rocks on the ground moving). Big chunk of the tank landed several yards away shortly after. Gasoline: Flaming stream of gas exiting tank and forming a flaming lake several feet across, toasting the torch and the tank black. Hydrogen: No apparent change...until they zoomed the camera way in so you could see a close up of the tank. There was a small bluish flame, like on a candle with the wick untrimmed, licking out through the bullet hole. Take your pick, but I'm with you: hydrogen all the way, particularly when stored in that form. You get about 5 psi in the tank at typical temperature levels for human survival, a bit more if you heat it to a couple hundred degrees (the Ford Grenada they modified used engine coolant to do that). That info from the show I saw (it was about a whole model town they built out in the southwest where everything ran on hydrogen...home hot water heaters, stoves, air conditioners, the local power plant and the cars. The main problem with that metal hydride storage system is that it takes some time for the tank to absorb the hydrogen...cooling it helps. They used cold water in the experimental setup, but it still took 4 hours to recharge fully, giving about 100 mi range in the modified Ford Grenada. Fine for commuting, but not so good for travel...still, I drive locally a lot more than I drive long distance. They had a setup in the garage that used power from solar cells to make the hydrogen on site. Pay for the gear (including the cost of the car mods it cost about the same as the car did new for the prototype) and get your fuel free for as long as it holds together. Mass production should lower the costs substantially...not much reason for it to cost more than a home AC/furnace unit if everyone had one. I wonder if a bike *could* be modified to run on hydrogen? Cars run on propane in some areas, but I've never heard of a bike running on anything but liquid fuels or electricity. What would it take to convert to hydrogen? A new fuel tank for sure, and the carburetors would have to be replaced with something like fuel injection that could handle the gaseous input and mix with the right amount of air, and the timing and spark gap would need to be altered. If the pressure coming from the tank wasn't high enough, you'd also need a fuel pump that could deal with hydrogen too, but I suspect this wouldn't be necessary for an ordinary bike. Those suck in the air at 1 atmosphere, so the hydrogen at 5psi over that shouldn't be a problem, provided that enough volume can be made available fast enough. Getting heat for the fuel tank shouldn't be a problem either once the bike is running. Hmm..... -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 22 20:58:20 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:58:04 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Chubb Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] I need new Sport/Touring tires Cc: "James O'Connor" >I ride about 1000 miles a month, 99% of it commuting from Herndon to >DC. I want to match front and rear tires and want a rear that will >go at least 7-8k miles commuting. Tire needs to handle rain and >sub-freezing temps (not at the same time). I don't want Bridgestone >020s. 120/70/17 & 180/55/17 sized. > >Avon 45/46 I put the Avon ST45/46 on my old BMW R1100R and they were great. I only put a couple of thousand miles on them before I sold the bike but the tread looked great even 2500 miles into the tire. They cornered well, but appreciated 3-6 psi more than the recommended rate. They were the most stable tire I have ever ridden in wet surfaces. Except for those steel plates downtown, you almost wouldn't know the road was wet. If you do install your own tires, they were really difficult to get up over the rim. I guess the carcass is stiffer or thicker or something, but it was a 1/2 day battle just to get them mounted. I can usually do a pair of tires in about 2 hours. Others say they get 8-10k miles out of a pair, but commuting miles are harder than highway miles. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 23 00:12:19 2005 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:12:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Schmidt To: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Place to mount tires Hey everyone, I know that this has been hashed and re-hashed several times but what dealers in the area will mount tires from sources other than themselves. Or is there anyone who has the skills, tools, and ability to help me mount them myself one day during the first week of August? TIA, Ian __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 24 00:21:02 2005 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "'DCcycles'" Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 00:20:42 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Fast lanes HP Shootout tomorrow Just in case you are interested. http://www.fastlanecycles.com/images/shootout11.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 24 06:52:42 2005 Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 06:52:31 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls Read the thread, and here is my molded oppinion: Gov't should not be allowed to convert the already established roads into toll roads ( I mean really, haven't our ancestors paid for the roads already, and they and we, have paid for the up keep with our taxes), and thus they are our roads, already bought and paid for. it should be okay for the private sector to build new toll roads on their own dime (after all we don't have to fund nor patronize them, plus it would make the route time/cost effectively price/valued) by market demand . I think I prefer private sector goods/services over gov't provided. I can imagine better up-keep, and if it's privately owned maybe they could set the speed limits, and privately secure it. If you violate the limit, they restrict you from ever using it again, or some preset fine.. you dont' pay, you dont' play here again. You don't like the fine amount A> you don't have to drive here b> you don't have to speed. I figure they can get more cars through at rush hour, if they require a higher miniumum / maximums speeds, and regulate driver etique such as yielding to faster traffic.. make it at least 3 lanes going during rush hour, and 2 returning, so there is always a maintaining lane and a passing lane. I like the concept of price based on volume. The middle of the night shoudl be free, so people could get a taste for the road, see how much time/distnce they save. We could take the speed traps and limits out of gov't hands and make it privitely regulated to be what is maximumly safe and efficient. The owners woudl want traffic to flow at it's maximum safe speed, to get more vehicles through, keeping it uncongested. Private owners would get their problem areas fixed because there would be no backlog on repairs "which road to fix first?" So I'm all for publicly owned to stay public, and private sector to build their own. but then again, what ever happened to the idea of a community pooling its resources so everyone coudl have xyz at the cheapest rate or free for future generations? If we had altruistic and intelligent represantatives, there would be no such thing as a permanent privately owned toll road, as there would be no demand/need for it. which is better, a privately owned toll road, or hoping for a true gov't of the people to build an altruistic and effecient better infrastructure? Is it better to settlle for what is more probable and more costly yet sufficient, or fight for a dream of what should be right? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 24 07:03:22 2005 Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 04:03:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Jonathan Broga To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Anyone on the list selling a VFR? A friend is looking for a late 90's early 2k's VFR800. While I am at it, I am looking for a VFR400 or RVF400. What the heck, might well ask eh - ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 24 07:04:30 2005 Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 04:04:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Jonathan Broga To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Anyone have a Monster seat cowl laying around? Any color, just need the passenger seat cowl if someone happens to have one - ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 24 07:08:37 2005 Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 07:08:30 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: Gov't accountability vs HOT lanes = Bike Tolls On 7/20/05, Dave Yates wrote: > John said > They are "privately funded" toll roads and _everyone_ will wind up paying for > them. > > > [Dave] You can bet your pansie gas tank we will... over and over again. Even Conn. is re-re-considering tolls after the dropped the axe on them after that 9 death pile up years back. That's going to happen here, it's only a matter of time. > > The Dulles Toll road has been refinanced and refinanced year after year to pay for all kinds of other projects for years now. Once you give the government a cash cow, they're not going to give it back. The key principle here is that it is "consent of the governed". Once you consent to the pay road, it's permanent. It will NEVER get cheaper. > > This whole HOV/HOT is the various government's way of abdicating their responsibility to manage our money with some semblance of fiscal responsibility. Instead of living within their means every year, they keep spending more and more money on bigger and bigger money pits and programs to make people feel good, do more for everyone and subsidize just about everything. After years of this, we're now staring down the barrel of looming huge finahcial expenditures on necessary road improvements because we let "spend it all" polititicians flush our money down the toilet on oh so necessary silliness like "imported Italian marble" in the Taj Mahal, close to $3k bicycles for patrols, trips to Hawaii for a "Government feel good" conference, and the like. BUT, the biggest, most serious failure of the whole of this process is OUR FAILURE to hold these clowns accountable for misspending our money. > > The solution(s) aren't tolls, that's just a band aid on an arterial wound. The solution is STOP F***ING SPENDING. Stop spending so lavishly on government services and use it where we need it - roads. Focuses can be fitted with light bars and sirens and cost almost $10k less than Crown vics, and both will do over 100... Maybe instead of paying 6 figure 'golden parachute' severance to a quitting figure head, he shouldn't get anything since he's quitting? Maybe DC & R is a hideous waste of taxpayer money and ought to be disbanded. Maybe the people doing this kind of financial mismanagement ought to be sued by the AG's office to recover lost money. > > But HOV/HOT is just going to encourage more mismanagement because we >haven't disciplined our elected money spenders... I agree 100%, Not to get off topic, but how about it relates to the road ways.. thus on topic.. So the problem is gov't takes our money and credit and spends it like an identity theif with our wallets. The question I want to know is, how do we really take the government back? Voting? Don't say voting. That would be so naive.. consider the theory like this.. People are playing cards.. Aces are altruistic representatives.. 2's and 3's are criminals.. Now we say VOTE to get the right people representing us.. We go to the voting booth.. we flip over the cards which are candidates and potential representatives.. the only cards we get to choose from are a couple of 5's. The current cards in office are 3' and 5's. How do we restack the deck? how do we get Aces, with only 5's to choose from? Our fore fathers said screw you, we're starting our own brand new deck.. but what are we to do? I would imagine it's easier to kick out a foriegn ruler.. but how do we rebuild or kick out a domestic theiving wasting government? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 24 08:21:37 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 08:19:29 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79993ac1d62ed091042399c1ac58bbdbd7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Subject: [dc-cycles] RE: Gov't accountability vs HOT lanes = Bike Tolls Danny asked: Our fore fathers said screw you, we're starting our own brand new deck.. but what are we to do? I would imagine it's easier to kick out a foriegn ruler.. but how do we rebuild or kick out a domestic theiving wasting government? [Dave] The majority of people who b!tch about stuff like this do it only in venues such as this, never to the elected reps. As long as that remains true, it will remain the same. Activists are "somebody else". The AMA has been somewhat successful in getting penalties beyond points and a fine for "not seeing" a motorcyclist and killing them. I'd venture if more of us would get up off of our collective asses and do something, they'd do better. I've heard it said that "Navy regulations are written in blood". Not sure since I was Army but the crux of it is that it takes a pretty huge mistake to change the rules. Kelo vs. New London was one of those events. Finally, people are calling up their electoids and demanding they do something. Hopefully not before I can get the whole Woodlawn corridor razed for a state of the art shooting range though ;-) Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 24 09:28:20 2005 Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:28:10 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Dave Yates Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] RE: Gov't accountability vs HOT lanes = Bike Tolls Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX So you're saying nag the politicians.. I guess it works..ask my wife LOL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 24 10:20:42 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 10:20:28 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/24/2005 6:52:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, motorpsychol@XXXXXX writes: > I think I prefer private sector goods/services over gov't provided. > I can imagine better up-keep, I am sorry, I really am, BUT bullshit! The national park service (as a sad example) has been effectively privatized and that has utterly destroyed the national park service. And by following the bad example the state parks also. The cost of camping has gone up dramatically, hell every picnic area is a "User fee area" Park rangers that used to be primarily naturalists are now nothing more then traffic cops. NO ONE patrols the parks after dark, allowing every moron that wants to party, hoot and holler free rein to do so making a good nights sleep in a state or national park damn near impossible. I could think of more without effort but you get the idea. Cost UP, Service DOWN (to damn near zero and in some cases zero.) Privatize the roads of America? Hell no! Building and maintaining roads is clearly the job of government, paid for by taxes and used by those same taxpayers. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 24 10:36:05 2005 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 10:35:48 EDT Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Re: Gov't accountability vs HOT lanes = Bike Tolls To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/24/2005 7:08:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, motorpsychol@XXXXXX writes: > The current cards in office are 3' and 5's. How do we restack the > deck? how do we get Aces, with only 5's to choose from? To start with quit worrying about where they put their dick/vagina and start worrying about how they govern. In other words stop putting their personal life under a magnifying glass and start putting their _public life_ under one. I could never be elected to major public office and I expect neither could most of those reading this. The only ones who can are those sneaky enough to have always hidden the kind of bad behavior that would prevent election in todays world OR who are so inhibited and psychologically abnormal that they have never done anything sexual ("wrong.") This is off topic, WAY off topic and can only piss people off so if we must flame lets go off list with it. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 24 20:01:30 2005 Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:01:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Jonathan Broga To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: Looking for VFR - Thanks to those who replied about VFR - my friend did a quick 180 and bought an SV1000 this afternoon. It was his #3 choice but when he rode it that sealed the deal. My interest in a 400 still stands, so if anyone sees one in the future, please let me know. Thanks - ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 25 18:35:52 2005 From: "Bruce N" To: Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:34:46 -0400 X-EN-UserInfo: 491cc520d85f37050654855667ce7bc9:eef17f84dc61b2cfa83f34354b81b18b X-EN-AuthUser: bcn@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] For Sale: 2002 Honda XR250R www.mofomoto.com/xr/xr250.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 26 18:05:08 2005 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:05:03 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: DCcycles , VStrom List Subject: [dc-cycles] Fwd: [LDRider] Riding in Extreme Temperatures From the LDRider list - but good info all around: * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * I spent a lot of time riding in REALLY hot weather a couple of weeks ago. On one leg of my trip, I rode for over six hours straight with temperatures in the vicinity of 115)B°F. Living in the Sacramento area, I frequently ride in ambient temperatures of approximately 100)B°F and I've ridden in temperatures as high as 113)B°F for shorter periods of time (e.g., crossing Death Valley). This week I learned that additional preparation is required for running at temperatures above 110)B°F for several hours. Several things that I experienced during the trip prompted to me to write this. Hopefully it will be useful to others. 1. Why Mesh Riding Suits Don't Work in Extreme Conditions Human bodies exchange heat with their surroundings in four primary ways: convection, conduction, radiation, and evaporative cooling (from perspiration). When ambient temperatures are below the body's normal temperature of 98.6)B°F, all of these pathways can provide cooling. The higher the windspeed, the more cooling there is from convection. But when ambient temperatures rise above 98.6)B°F, only evaporative cooling can work. More importantly, too much wind becomes a bad thing. There is a limit to our body's perspiration rate and when the wind speed uses up all of the available perspiration, more wind increases convective HEATING. This is the opposite of "Wind Chill". I found an interesting article on this effect at: http://www.zunis.org/at_least_theres_a_breeze.htm What this means is that you do NOT want to maximize the wind against your skin when the temperature gets extreme. Mesh suits, or wearing just a lightweight shirt, are NOT the right approach. You will actually stay cooler with a conventional suit with the vents adjusted so there is a more moderate air flow across your skin. 2. You Have to Carry Much More Water to Ride in 110)B°F+ Temperatures When temperatures are below 98.6)B°F, you may perspire less than 1 quart per day. But when the need for evaporative cooling kicks in, you perspiration rate can increase to 1.5 quarts PER HOUR. If you aren't drinking 1.5 quarts per hour under extreme conditions, you will start becoming dehydrated. Your perspiration rate will decrease, you will feel hotter, your heart rate will increase, and your judgement will start to become clouded. If you are a competitive endurance rider, you can probably go at least 300 miles without stopping. If you are averaging 75 mph, that's four hours. You may need to consume 6 quarts of water in that period of time when the temperature exceeds 110)B°F. I carry an insulated 1-gallon cooler with a drinking tube attached when I know I will be riding long distances in hot weather. It was barely adequate for this trip because I deviated from my normal routine and purchased an extra bottle of water to drink during my fuel stops. On one leg, I made the mistake of starting with less than a full gallon and started experiencing the early signs of heat exhaustion. I felt much better after sitting in the shade for 10 minutes while consuming a full litre of bottled water. Based on my personal experience and research, there is a world of difference between 100-105)B°F and 115°F in terms of how much water you need. A half quart per hour is more typical of what's required near 100)B°F. You might even be able to to run without water for several hours at about 100)B°F and make up the deficit by drinking at lot at your next fuel stop. But at 115)B°F, the level of dehydration you will be experiencing between fuel stops is excessive; you will definitely experience heat exhaustion and possibly heat stroke. 3. Why You Might Not Want to Be Wearing Shorts Under Your Riding Suit Some popular bikes have "issues" with high levels of engine heat. My K1200GT makes the lower half of my legs warmer than on my K1200LT, but it's never been a problem for me, until this trip. Air passing through the radiator on both the LT and GT exits at the side of the fairing just in front of the rider's legs. On the LT, the hot air is blown far enough away from the bike that it does not impinge on the rider's legs. On the GT, the fairing is not quite as wide and you can feel heat from the radiator on your lower legs. The heat I feel on the GT is clearly less that the heat I've felt riding other bikes, such as the FJR1300. But on this trip, the heat became a problem. I rode for a long stretch with a slight crosswind which increased the amount of radiator discharge that impinged on my right leg. It got very uncomfortable. When I stopped for the night, I discovered that I had second degree burns on the back of my right calf: http://www.sierraresearch.com/mc/burns.jpg This wouldn't have happened if I had been wearing long pants under my Aerostich. Under identical conditions, I did not get burned wearing blue jeans under the riding suit. This problem showed up for the first time because the radiator discharge temperature is directly related to the ambient temperature. Although engines run hotter in hot weather, they actually discharge about the same amount of heat energy into the radiator. That heat energy is raises the temperature of the radiator discharge the same amount that it does at lower ambient temperatures. At 100)B°F, the radiator discharge might be 140)B°F and it might get knocked down to 110)B°F before it impinges your leg. It feels very warm, but it won't burn you. If the ambient is 15)B°F higher, you leg might be exposed to 125)B°F and you can eventually get burned if your leg isn't insultated from the radiator discharge. According to data from the National Burn Center, the time at temperature to cause a second degree burn is as follows: 113 )B°F 1.7 hours 122 )B°F 2 minutes 131 )B°F 11 seconds 140 )B°F 2 seconds The only thing protecting you from being burned when your bare skin is exposed to ambient temperature of 113)B°F or higher is evaporative cooling and the cooling of the skin surface by blood flow. To be protected from radiator discharge temperatures in excess of 113)B°F, you need INSULATION between your skin and the hot air stream. What I painfully discovered is that the insulation provided by an Aerostich suit is not enough. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 27 08:46:17 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DCCycles" Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:46:00 +0000 Subject: [dc-cycles] Dumb tag strikes again ROTFLMAO http://www.washtimes.com/metro/20050726-101252-1790r.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 27 09:41:42 2005 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:41:39 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: DCcycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Fwd: [LDRider] Riding in Extreme Temperatures Thanks, Michael. These last two days, riding home, I was thinking my mesh jacket might be allowing too much air. The wind blast was like a furnace - I was definitely more comfortable with my faceshield closed to keep the wind off my face. Maybe I need to wear the Aerostich suit going home today! Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Michael Jordan Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:05:03 -0400 >>From the LDRider list - but good info all around: > >* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > >I spent a lot of time riding in REALLY hot weather a couple of weeks >ago. On one leg of my trip, I rode for over six hours straight with >temperatures in the vicinity of 115)B°F. Living in the Sacramento area, >I frequently ride in ambient temperatures of approximately 100)B°F and >I've ridden in temperatures as high as 113)B°F for shorter periods of >time (e.g., crossing Death Valley). This week I learned that >additional preparation is required for running at temperatures above >110)B°F for several hours. Several things that I experienced during the >trip prompted to me to write this. Hopefully it will be useful to >others. ... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 27 10:09:02 2005 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:08:49 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: DC-CYCLES Subject: [dc-cycles] SPAM: CBR 954 forsale Hi, A friend at work is selling his CBR. He takes good care of the bike and is a good person to deal with. He's willing talk price. Info and pics at http://dr3x.info:8080/bike/ The site is a little slow... Tom de 03 ST1300 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 27 16:24:33 2005 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:24:25 -0400 From: "Dr. Corona" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls Glenn, I don't know, I'm not that type of engineer, I was pointing out that the EPA's testing is not realistic. No cars they test match their results in the real world. I can tell you that last week I bought 10 gallons of fuel for my Prius after going almost 500 miles since the last fill up. My driving is all mixed, some super slab, some city, etc. The point is they do get better mileage than normally aspirated engines. Some cars may creep into that range once in a while but I'm consistently getting that type of mileage. There's also no problem with accelerating, the Prius will go 0-60 in about 9 secs.; not a rocket but it will keep up with anything in it's class. FYI-it sometimes use just electric, 38mph or less with slow acceleration or maintaining speed. I would say most of the time it blends power from both sources, it's much more of a grey area than an electric/gas switch. Either source can supplement the other at any time. -Norris On 7/21/05, Glenn Dysart wrote: > So enlighten us how this car can get such better > mileage then lets say a regular Honda Civic when > traveling at highway speeds? All the data I've read > on the car indicates it use the gas engine ONLY at > those speeds. And at those speeds you have the added > weight of the batteries which a standard compact car > does not have. > > Glenn > > --- "Dr. Corona" wrote: > > . I do not think the MPG > > numbers are more > > inflated for hybrids than any other vehicle. I get > > tired of hearing > > how crappy my mileage really is, how bad the > > performance is, and what > > a poor buying decsion I made from people that have > > never owned/driven > > a hybrid. > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 27 16:56:26 2005 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:56:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls To: "Dr. Corona" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Dr. Corona" wrote: > the EPA's testing is not realistic. No cars they > test match their > results in the real world. Actually the EPA numbers are pretty good. 1) When two otherwise similar cars are compared, the EPA mileage is a good indicator of which will actually get better mileage and by how much. 2) When driving with a goal of getting good mileage, the EPA numbers can easily be achieved. 3) If an auto manufacturer didn't try to achieve good EPA mileage, it would cost them sales. Perhaps it's like the dry weight numbers published by some of the motorcycle manufacturers. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 DL1000 V-Strom From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 27 22:44:19 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:44:10 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7931f1cba538d3ff1d1d2808346edb2e72350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Subject: [dc-cycles] blah, blah, blah, boring cage talk What. Ever. Moto content? How about - I just put a Flo-commander on the zx11. it was a sucky job because the instructions called for way too short tubing to mount the units in the airbox. I still have yet to get on the road with it, but I expect it will only stave off loss of power, rather than increase power (41mm flats). I'm hoping the pilot circuit adjustability will give some relief from the fouled plugs from sitting in traffic... Dave -----Original Message----- From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mriderleon@XXXXXX] To: Dr. Corona; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] HOT lanes = Bike Tolls --- "Dr. Corona" wrote: > the EPA's testing is not realistic. No cars they > test match their > results in the real world. Actually the EPA numbers are pretty good. 1) When two otherwise similar cars are compared, the EPA mileage is a good indicator of which will actually get better mileage and by how much. 2) When driving with a goal of getting good mileage, the EPA numbers can easily be achieved. 3) If an auto manufacturer didn't try to achieve good EPA mileage, it would cost them sales. Perhaps it's like the dry weight numbers published by some of the motorcycle manufacturers. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 DL1000 V-Strom From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 28 01:55:05 2005 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:54:56 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: [dc-cycles] recovering saddle - staple gun etc anyone have a "hot knife" and a staple gun to recover a seat? Preferably in the Springfield/Annondale/Arlington vicinity? I've had it up to here with my SV saddle. Going to get some styrofoam and the medical gel and make my own. ============ To live in fear is to not live at all. Some choose to face their fears, and there will always be those who choose to run away. Love is not a feeling. It's a behavior. "If you love me, keep my commandments." Jesus - John 14:15 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 28 15:49:00 2005 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:48:08 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: chris01@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Fwd: [LDRider] Riding in Extreme Temperatures Cc: DCcycles of course you know to wet yourshirt when it's really hot out right? On 7/27/05, Chris Norloff wrote: > > Thanks, Michael. These last two days, riding home, I was thinking my mesh jacket might be allowing too much air. The wind blast was like a furnace - I was definitely more comfortable with my faceshield closed to keep the wind off my face. > > Maybe I need to wear the Aerostich suit going home today! > > Chris Norloff > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Michael Jordan > Reply-To: Michael Jordan > Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:05:03 -0400 > > >>From the LDRider list - but good info all around: > > > >* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > > >I spent a lot of time riding in REALLY hot weather a couple of weeks > >ago. On one leg of my trip, I rode for over six hours straight with > >temperatures in the vicinity of 115)B°F. Living in the Sacramento area, > >I frequently ride in ambient temperatures of approximately 100)B°F and > >I've ridden in temperatures as high as 113)B°F for shorter periods of > >time (e.g., crossing Death Valley). This week I learned that > >additional preparation is required for running at temperatures above > >110)B°F for several hours. Several things that I experienced during the > >trip prompted to me to write this. Hopefully it will be useful to > >others. > ... > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 28 19:33:23 2005 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:32:24 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] tag light question So VA charges $85 a pop for no tag light.. so I figured i'd drop an LED into my undertail aimed at my tag. Question, does the law state it has to be a white light? or can I make it red, blue, purple or something? You would have thought i would have bookmarked that "look up va law" link by now. Grr. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 28 19:57:03 2005 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:56:06 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: tag light question found it http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-1012 quick google search of virginia code online, then a search for 'plate" got the info. Needs a white light. On 7/28/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > So VA charges $85 a pop for no tag light.. > > so I figured i'd drop an LED into my undertail aimed at my tag. > Question, does the law state it has to be a white light? or can I make > it red, blue, purple or something? > > You would have thought i would have bookmarked that "look up va law" > link by now. Grr. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 28 19:59:02 2005 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:58:47 -0400 From: skip To: Danny Motorcycle CC: DCcycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] tag light question http://leg1.state.va.us/lis.htm Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > So VA charges $85 a pop for no tag light.. > > so I figured i'd drop an LED into my undertail aimed at my tag. > Question, does the law state it has to be a white light? or can I make > it red, blue, purple or something? > > You would have thought i would have bookmarked that "look up va law" > link by now. Grr. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 28 20:00:41 2005 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:59:39 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Re: tag light question also found out my swinging tag bracket is illegal too.. wonder what are the odds of being nailed on that one? On 7/28/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > found it > http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-1012 > > quick google search of virginia code online, > then a search for 'plate" > got the info. Needs a white light. > > On 7/28/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > So VA charges $85 a pop for no tag light.. > > > > so I figured i'd drop an LED into my undertail aimed at my tag. > > Question, does the law state it has to be a white light? or can I make > > it red, blue, purple or something? > > > > You would have thought i would have bookmarked that "look up va law" > > link by now. Grr. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 28 20:44:03 2005 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:43:05 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] Ticket signing haven't gotten a ticket in a long time, knock on wood.. But I was wondering.. when asked to sign a ticket.. what would happen if you just put scribbles down? Like this: WWWWW ? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 28 20:57:01 2005 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:55:58 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] sworn in and 5th amendment say you're pulled over, get a ticket, go to court. I've noticed when you plead not guilty in traffic court, they try to swear you in right away.. which seems against the 5th amendment to me. They attempt to swear you in with these words usually don't they, Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth, so help you God?" ? and what if you say "no" ? ( I mean you don't have to testify right) and wouldn't swearing in to "tell the whole truth" be in contradiction to being able to practice your recognized 5th amendment right? woudln't "I plead the 5th" be something other than the truth? not a lie, but still, in contradiction to "nothing but the truth". Woudln't stopping your testimony to take the 5th be something other than "the whole truth" as well? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 28 21:07:25 2005 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:06:24 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DCcycles Subject: [dc-cycles] issuing tickets not witnessed It's funny, if a person calls in about illegal drivers the cops say "i didn't see anything I can't issue the ticket".. but if they come upon a wreck they'll issue tickets.. then when it comes to court time, the judge dismisses the case because the officer can't bear witness to what he didn't see. Am I the only one who thinks this is ass backwards? 1> the cops will issue tickets to somethng they didn't see 2> they won't issue tickets when they have people who will testify 3> They say they can't issue tickets to infractions they didn't see, but they do! and what is the reality of someone hearign a cop "cop out" and say I can't issue a ticket, and the person then making a citizens arrest? What's the law and likelood of successfully saying "well I want to make a citizens arrest, i'm turnng him over to you" ? And finally, if i'm not crazy and ass backwards in thinking the issuing of unwitness citations is backwards, how do we reverse that policy? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 28 21:23:56 2005 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:23:47 -0400 From: Armadillo To: DCcycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Ticket signing anything you sign is fine because you were whitnessed signing it, so an X is completely legit. if you refuse to sign you go to jail. On 7/28/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > haven't gotten a ticket in a long time, knock on wood.. > > But I was wondering.. when asked to sign a ticket.. > > what would happen if you just put scribbles down? > > Like this: WWWWW ? > > -- -=Eventus stultorum magister=- From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 28 21:25:42 2005 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:25:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Chubb Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] recovering saddle - staple gun etc >From: matthew patton > >anyone have a "hot knife" and a staple gun to recover a seat? >Preferably in the Springfield/Annondale/Arlington vicinity? I've had it >up to here with my SV saddle. Going to get some styrofoam and the >medical gel and make my own. Staple gun is easy to come by. You can get a decent one for under $15. For a hot knife, just bend some of the smallest PVC pipe into a "U", drill a bolt through each end, hook heavy wire to the bolts and string some thin wire between the bolts. Put 12v across the wire and it should get hot enough to cut foam. I used something like 28 gauge I think and put an old dimmer switch in line. I burned the wire from time to time but I just stretched a new piece and fired it up. Cost was maybe $5 if you buy it all new. I used this method to sculpt a new seat for my old Yamaha Radian and it came out great. It was like $15 for the foam, in two densities, enough to add about 4 inches in height to the seat. I didn't use any gel or anything. I did glue the foam together with spray adhesive, about $5 a can at Homer. Most fabric stores carry "Arctic Vinyl" in black and sometimes white and tan. One yard did my bike for another $15 and I had enough left over to stitch up a new tool bag for under the seat and a "spare parts" bag for inside the frame. With one tuck on each side of the seat I even did it with no stitching exposed so no way for water to get in. Good luck, this is a fun project. Chris From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 28 21:30:25 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "'DCcycles'" Subject: RE: [dc-cycles] sworn in and 5th amendment Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:30:20 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79246b5e620a569255a95a8f1c44302dc6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c say you're pulled over, get a ticket, go to court. I've noticed when you plead not guilty in traffic court, they try to swear you in right away.. which seems against the 5th amendment to me. They attempt to swear you in with these words usually don't they, Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth, so help you God?" ? [Dave] This is assuming you testify. You are not compelled to testify. No, it is not a violation of your rights to swear to tell the truth under oath. Just remember, you're not a popular democrat and will not get off with an 'aw shucks' apology for perjury. All these questions about tickets and court are leading me to believe the tyrannical boot of the man is trying to keep you down... ??? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 28 21:37:20 2005 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:37:09 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer To: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] recovering saddle - staple gun etc Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Rich Maund in Virginia Beach is one hell of a saddle fixer/reshaper. (You'd think he'd be living in the capital of Virginia with a name like that, wouldn't you?) http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64252&highlight=rich+maund (see post # 7) http://www.geocities.com/rgmaund/RichsCyclePage3.html On 7/28/05, Chris Chubb wrote: > > >From: matthew patton > > > >anyone have a "hot knife" and a staple gun to recover a seat? > >Preferably in the Springfield/Annondale/Arlington vicinity? I've had it > >up to here with my SV saddle. Going to get some styrofoam and the > >medical gel and make my own. > > Staple gun is easy to come by. You can get a decent one for under $15. > > For a hot knife, just bend some of the smallest PVC pipe into a "U", drill > a bolt through each end, hook heavy wire to the bolts and string some thin > wire between the bolts. Put 12v across the wire and it should get hot > enough to cut foam. I used something like 28 gauge I think and put an old > dimmer switch in line. I burned the wire from time to time but I just > stretched a new piece and fired it up. Cost was maybe $5 if you buy it all > new. > > I used this method to sculpt a new seat for my old Yamaha Radian and it > came out great. It was like $15 for the foam, in two densities, enough to > add about 4 inches in height to the seat. I didn't use any gel or anything. > I did glue the foam together with spray adhesive, about $5 a can at Homer. > > Most fabric stores carry "Arctic Vinyl" in black and sometimes white and > tan. One yard did my bike for another $15 and I had enough left over to > stitch up a new tool bag for under the seat and a "spare parts" bag for > inside the frame. With one tuck on each side of the seat I even did it with > no stitching exposed so no way for water to get in. > > Good luck, this is a fun project. > > Chris > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 28 22:43:46 2005 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:43:38 -0400 From: Thomas Jordan To: DCcycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] sworn in and 5th amendment And I thought he was just thinking out loud, wasting bandwidth... On 7/28/05, Dave Yates wrote: > All these questions about tickets and court are leading me to believe the > tyrannical boot of the man is trying to keep you down... > > ??? > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 28 22:46:01 2005 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:45:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] sworn in and 5th amendment To: Danny Motorcycle , DCcycles --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > say you're pulled over, get a ticket, go to court. I've > noticed when > you plead not guilty in traffic court, they try to swear > you in right > away.. which seems against the 5th amendment to me. > > They attempt to swear you in with these words usually > don't they, > Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing > but the > truth, so help you God?" ? > > and what if you say "no" ? ( I mean you don't have to > testify right) > > and wouldn't swearing in to "tell the whole truth" be in > contradiction > to being able to practice your recognized 5th amendment > right? > > woudln't "I plead the 5th" be something other than the > truth? not a > lie, but still, in contradiction to "nothing but the > truth". > Woudln't stopping your testimony to take the 5th be > something other > than "the whole truth" as well? how would YOU, PERSONALLY, saying nothing as a witness (i.e., invoking your 5th amendment rights) be untrue? the state puts on its case first. if the facts the state is able to introduce (you are free to object to efforts to introduce them) amount to all of the elements necessary to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt, you are free at that point to put forward your defense (call witnesses, introduce pictures and other evidence, etc.) without testifying. if the state's evidence is insufficient, move for judgment and you're outta there. -- tg (not a criminal law attorney) Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) - http://www.murphygimer.com - http://www.mgtitlellc.com ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 28 22:53:53 2005 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:53:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Ticket signing To: Danny Motorcycle , DCcycles --- Danny Motorcycle wrote: > haven't gotten a ticket in a long time, knock on wood.. > > But I was wondering.. when asked to sign a ticket.. > > what would happen if you just put scribbles down? > > Like this: WWWWW ? do you think the officer is going to question whether that is your signature? perhaps he'll try to match it up in the national signature database before he lets you leave? he just wants evidence to corroborate your presence. -- tg Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) - http://www.murphygimer.com - http://www.mgtitlellc.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 28 23:03:12 2005 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:03:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? And guns without wearing a helmet on a bike with striaght pipes - To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > A bunch of us still ride together but we don't > announce it to the list. Quite honestly it was > getting to the point that too many people were showing > up for rides and people were not getting into the > proper groups, i.e. they were getting into the "fast" > group when they only only ever been on a handful of > rides. More times then not accident would occur which > of course ended the day. > > Not only that but riding with a bunch of strangers can > be interesting to say the least. > > Always happy to ride with someone like Michael Jordan > though as he fits my mold of a solid rider. yeah, but what about those offspring of his? > Glenn > > --- Michael Jordan wrote: > > > > Do you guys still get together for group rides, > > seems > > > like in addition to learning new routes that kind > > of > > > face-to-face might mellow the urge to flame > > someone, > > > once you have met them - > > > > Unfortunately, that was about a 2-3 year phenomenon. > > It died just > > about the same time that Collin got transferred. The > > on-line BS was > > prevalent even then and caused a number of the more > > active riders to > > bail and never be heard from again. > > > > 'Twas fun while it lasted. > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: > http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > > Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) - http://www.murphygimer.com - http://www.mgtitlellc.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 28 23:09:47 2005 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:09:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? And guns without wearing a helmet on a bike with striaght pipes - To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > A bunch of us still ride together but we don't > > announce it to the list. Quite honestly it was > > getting to the point that too many people were showing > > up for rides and people were not getting into the > > proper groups, i.e. they were getting into the "fast" > > group when they only only ever been on a handful of > > rides. More times then not accident would occur which > > of course ended the day. > > > > Not only that but riding with a bunch of strangers can > > be interesting to say the least. > > > > Always happy to ride with someone like Michael Jordan > > though as he fits my mold of a solid rider. > > yeah, but what about those offspring of his? that was a jab at his procreation skills, generally, not his sons' riding skills! > > --- Michael Jordan wrote: > > > > > > Do you guys still get together for group rides, > > > seems > > > > like in addition to learning new routes that kind > > > of > > > > face-to-face might mellow the urge to flame > > > someone, > > > > once you have met them - > > > > > > Unfortunately, that was about a 2-3 year phenomenon. > > > It died just > > > about the same time that Collin got transferred. The > > > on-line BS was > > > prevalent even then and caused a number of the more > > > active riders to > > > bail and never be heard from again. > > > > > > 'Twas fun while it lasted. > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! Mail > > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the > tour: > > http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > > > > > > > Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) > - http://www.murphygimer.com > - http://www.mgtitlellc.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection > around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > Tom Gimer - 301 675-3980 (cell) - http://www.murphygimer.com - http://www.mgtitlellc.com ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 29 02:01:04 2005 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 02:00:52 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] recovering saddle - staple gun etc At 09:25 PM 7/28/05 -0400, Chris Chubb wrote: > >>From: matthew patton >> >>anyone have a "hot knife" and a staple gun to recover a seat? >>Preferably in the Springfield/Annondale/Arlington vicinity? I've had it >>up to here with my SV saddle. Going to get some styrofoam and the >>medical gel and make my own. > >Staple gun is easy to come by. You can get a decent one for under $15. Do the manual ones have the "oomph" to get into the seat pan material properly? The pros seem to prefer power staplers (pneumatic or electric). It may just be for speed and convenience, but depending on what you are stapling into they may also do a better job and not leave the staples proud of the surface where they can catch and scrape things. >For a hot knife, just bend some of the smallest PVC pipe into a "U", drill >a bolt through each end, hook heavy wire to the bolts and string some thin >wire between the bolts. Put 12v across the wire and it should get hot >enough to cut foam. I used something like 28 gauge I think and put an old >dimmer switch in line. I burned the wire from time to time but I just >stretched a new piece and fired it up. Cost was maybe $5 if you buy it all >new. You can make the frame from wood too (like 1x2)...that's the way the one we used in the airplane building class I took was done. One caution: make sure you know what kind of foam you are cutting if you are going to burn through it with a hot wire rather than cutting it with a carving knife or foam saw. Some kinds of foam (Urethane I believe is one) will emit toxic fumes when heated. They can easily harm you, and in extreme cases kill you. If you aren't sure, and insist on doing this anyway, at least do it outside on a breezy day...and stand upwind. I've watched a pro redo a seat, recently. He used a foam saw (like an industrial strength electric carving knife with the blade at 90 degrees to the handle) to do the majority of the shaping, then a pneumatic sanding disk and a pneumatic linear sander, both with a fairly coarse grit, to smooth things out and do the fine shaping, then a pneumatic stapler to refasten the cover. He also had his contact cement in a spray gun, but I believe you can get aerosol cans of that stuff these days if you don't want the gloppiness of brushing it on. >add about 4 inches in height to the seat. I didn't use any gel or anything. The professional I watched doesn't think much of gel for motorcycle seats. He's been doing them for about 35 years, and riding most of that time himself, so I'm giving his opinions some weight. He sure made my seat a lot more comfortable in a hurry, and improved low-speed handling of the bike at the same time. He also does decorative stitching on covers if you are into that sort of thing...one of the local HOGs had a German eagle done on his, made up from a Celtic knot pattern...lots and lots of fiddley stitching in that one, and it looks perfect. Another got flames. I just had mine adjusted so the bike fits me better. He does custom car seats too BTW (Wayne... ;-) John Longo, on Stone Street in Rockville. -- -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 29 07:41:08 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "Thomas Jordan" , "DCcycles" Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:40:48 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] sworn in and 5th amendment TJ And I thought he was just thinking out loud, wasting bandwidth... [Dave] Anything's step up from the hybrid cage b!tch threads From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 29 07:43:42 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:43:35 +0000 Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Why take chances with tires? And guns without wearing a helmet on a bike with striaght pipes - Gimer: > yeah, but what about those offspring of his? that was a jab at his procreation skills, generally, not his sons' riding skills! [Dave] Well, in all fairness with 2 known riding offspring, one would potentially draw the conclusion that his procreation 'skills' are not in question... ;-) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 29 08:01:26 2005 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:01:19 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: Dave Yates Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] sworn in and 5th amendment Cc: Thomas Jordan , DCcycles > [Dave] Anything's step up from the hybrid cage b!tch threads Unless, of course he was driving a..... Never mind. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 29 08:04:25 2005 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:04:23 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: DCcycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] issuing tickets not witnessed On 7/28/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > It's funny, if a person calls in about illegal drivers the cops say "i > didn't see anything I can't issue the ticket" Yes they will - just ask any member of the "Loudoun Nine" -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 29 08:15:40 2005 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:15:34 -0400 To: "Mike B." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Chubb Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] recovering saddle - staple gun etc At 12:02 AM 7/29/2005, Mike B. wrote: > >Staple gun is easy to come by. You can get a decent one for under $15. > >Do the manual ones have the "oomph" to get into the seat pan material >properly? The pros seem to prefer power staplers (pneumatic or electric). >It may just be for speed and convenience, but depending on what you are >stapling into they may also do a better job and not leave the staples proud >of the surface where they can catch and scrape things. The manual ones almost always have more power than the electric ones. The pneumatic ones are adjustable, so they can be dialed up quite a bit, but are heavy and expensive. The pros use electric and pneumatic because they shoot hundreds of staples a day and would get carpal tunnel with a manual one. My $15 manual one had plenty of power for the plastic pan. Any staples that don't seat all the way can be tapped in with a hammer. >I've watched a pro redo a seat, recently. He used a foam saw (like an >industrial strength electric carving knife with the blade at 90 degrees to >the handle) to do the majority of the shaping, then a pneumatic sanding The old "electric carving knife" is another good possibility, especially if you can get the kind that has two counter cutting blades. I almost always see one for sale at the thrift stores for $5 or less. I like the look of decorative stitching, too, but I wanted a cover that didn't leak water into the foam as the bike lived outdoors and rode in all kinds of weather and didn't see much in the way of cosmetic maintenance. But that was just me. The thing that really did it for me was using a much higher density foam at the base level to lift the seat and provide more support. Most seats are way too soft for real riding. They are designed to feel good when sitting for 10 minutes at the dealer. You want something that will push back on your lower pelvis, and that means hard foam. You should just be able to compress it to 1/2 of it's thickness with your bare hands. Then put about 1-2 inches of softer foam on top for comfort. I had fun doing mine. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 29 09:29:31 2005 From: "Sean Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:26:54 -0400 Subject: [dc-cycles] Buell adventure bike? http://www.buell.com/en_us/bikes_gear/ulysses/xb12x/index.asp Interesting . . . - Sean Jordan _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar )B– get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 29 10:01:36 2005 From: "Bruce N" To: Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Buell adventure bike? Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:00:54 -0400 X-EN-UserInfo: 491cc520d85f37050654855667ce7bc9:eef17f84dc61b2cfa83f34354b81b18b X-EN-AuthUser: bcn@XXXXXX Not. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Jordan" http://www.buell.com/en_us/bikes_gear/ulysses/xb12x/index.asp Interesting . . . From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 29 10:02:15 2005 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:02:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Jonathan Broga Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Buell adventure bike? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Kind of . . but I am spoiled by the massive changes the Buell's went throught between 97 and 2004, now everything since the introduction of the XB's seems like just some bolt on's, or warmed over re-hash of same thing. It's okay, but I guess I am just not getting the upright thing. I rode a Tuano and while it was cool, I didn't really get it. Same thing with a BMW 650 I rode. It was just funky, but not funky with some sort of vision that came together in a good package for me - A light Buell with a 400 cc liquid cooled V4 would get my attention - --- Sean Jordan wrote: > http://www.buell.com/en_us/bikes_gear/ulysses/xb12x/index.asp > > Interesting . . . > > > - Sean Jordan > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar )B– get > it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 29 10:08:46 2005 From: "Sean Jordan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Buell adventure bike? Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:08:37 -0400 Should have been more specific - I meant that it was interesting that Buell would make an "adventure" type bike. In and of itself, the bike is not all that special. Sean Jordan >From: "Bruce N" >To: >Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Buell adventure bike? >Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:00:54 -0400 > >Not. > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Jordan" > > >http://www.buell.com/en_us/bikes_gear/ulysses/xb12x/index.asp > >Interesting . . . > _________________________________________________________________ Don)B’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 29 10:17:23 2005 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:17:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Buell adventure bike? To: Jonathan Broga , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I like the look and function of a Buell, but I'm not sure enough to own one. But, this bike is pretty cool. I dig the fact that it isn't a single function bike and Buell styling has always pleased me. I can't imagine playing with that much power on that heavy of a bike, while riding on those "knobby" tires on the street. I wonder if folks end up eating rear tires in just a couple thousand miles. Current issue of CycleWorld has a test of this bike. -Jimmy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 29 10:35:33 2005 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:35:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Jonathan Broga Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Buell adventure bike? To: Jonathan Broga , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I want to amend my not going to happen fantasy - Two XB models - the XB44 and the XB46 one a 400cc V4 making mid 60's and the other a 650 (or whatever size it has to be) V4 producing hp in the mid 90's - Someone here can surely explain to me why the V4 never really made it, but it seems like it would be a great mix of both worlds - --- Jonathan Broga wrote: > Kind of . . but I am spoiled by the massive > changes > the Buell's went throught between 97 and 2004, now > everything since the introduction of the XB's seems > like just some bolt on's, or warmed over re-hash of > same thing. It's okay, but I guess I am just not > getting the upright thing. I rode a Tuano and while > it > was cool, I didn't really get it. Same thing with a > BMW 650 I rode. It was just funky, but not funky > with > some sort of vision that came together in a good > package for me - > > A light Buell with a 400 cc liquid cooled V4 would > get > my attention - > > --- Sean Jordan wrote: > > > > http://www.buell.com/en_us/bikes_gear/ulysses/xb12x/index.asp > > > > Interesting . . . > > > > > > - Sean Jordan > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar )B– > get > > it now! > > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 29 10:39:27 2005 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:39:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Buell adventure bike? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Those tries aren't really knobbies to speak of. Looks like they are just street tires with deeper and more grooves. --- James O'Connor wrote: > I like the look and function of a Buell, but I'm not > sure enough to > own one. But, this bike is pretty cool. I dig the > fact that it > isn't a single function bike and Buell styling has > always pleased me. > I can't imagine playing with that much power on > that heavy of a > bike, while riding on those "knobby" tires on the > street. I wonder > if folks end up eating rear tires in just a couple > thousand miles. > > Current issue of CycleWorld has a test of this bike. > > -Jimmy > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 29 10:50:42 2005 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:50:41 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Buell adventure bike? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX All in all no worse than a BMW GS or a VStrom - (also Caponord, Tiger, etc). Very good bikes for all-round real world riding. You never know when the road that you're following is going to turn to dirt - right, Sean? -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 29 10:51:13 2005 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:51:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Buell adventure bike? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Agreed, hence my use of quote marks "..." . However, those tires appear to have many more tread blocks AND deeper tread voids than the average street/sport tire. More tread blocks = more tire flexing. More tire flexing = more tire wear. The bike also puts out a good bit of power and weighs a hefty bit, both of which can play their part in increased tire wear. That was my thought process, maybe right, maybe not. - Jimmy --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > Those tries aren't really knobbies to speak of. Looks > like they are just street tires with deeper and more > grooves. ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 29 10:56:46 2005 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:56:38 -0400 From: Thomas Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Buell adventure bike? But he should get fairly good dirt traction with the CBR.. With the sharp metal cording hanging out of the tires everywhere... On 7/29/05, Michael Jordan wrote: > All in all no worse than a BMW GS or a VStrom - (also Caponord, Tiger, > etc). Very good bikes for all-round real world riding. > > You never know when the road that you're following is going to turn to > dirt - right, Sean? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 29 10:57:20 2005 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:57:18 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: "James O'Connor" Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Buell adventure bike? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > However, those tires > appear to have many more tread blocks AND deeper tread voids than the > average street/sport tire. More tread blocks = more tire flexing. > More tire flexing = more tire wear. One would think so, however on my VStrom (same basic tire design) I swapped out the stock rubber at 10K miles only because I was preparing to do another 4-5K miles in the following 2 weeks and didn't want to hassle with it on the road. On my GSX1100G, I get about 8K miles to a ME-Z4 -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 29 11:03:59 2005 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:03:52 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Buell adventure bike? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Jonathan Broga wrote: > I want to amend my not going to happen fantasy - > > Two XB models - the XB44 and the XB46 > one a 400cc V4 making mid 60's > and the other a 650 (or whatever size it has to be) V4 > producing hp in the mid 90's - you forget that (I read somewhere) it was Erik that marched into HD's boardroom declaring "I will use your engine". I think that was the stupidest thing he's ever done. a pile that's 30 years old is still a pile, just smellier. Any of the modern Rotax engines (the Mille plant for one) would fit nicely and actually inspire me to own one. A v-4 in the guise of two of Aprilia's new V-twins would be attractive. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 29 11:09:48 2005 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:09:13 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Michael Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] issuing tickets not witnessed Cc: DCcycles So basicly you have to keep insisting, if the cops say that they can't. How did the loudoun nine turn out? On 7/29/05, Michael Jordan wrote: > On 7/28/05, Danny Motorcycle wrote: > > It's funny, if a person calls in about illegal drivers the cops say "i > > didn't see anything I can't issue the ticket" > > Yes they will - just ask any member of the "Loudoun Nine" > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 29 11:14:17 2005 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:14:13 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: DCcycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] issuing tickets not witnessed > So basicly you have to keep insisting, if the cops say that they > can't. How did the loudoun nine turn out? We had to pay $50 and pick up the garbage. In the snow. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 29 11:15:31 2005 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:14:53 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: DCcycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Ticket signing Hmm what If I signed "you suck" ? lol somehow i don't think he'll accept that. So suppose someone gets pulled over.. never takes their helmet off.. and scribbles and illegible markings.. go to court, plead not guilty.. assuming the cop isn't a lying hole, shouldn't that be a winner case? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 29 11:17:18 2005 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:16:47 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Michael Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] issuing tickets not witnessed Cc: DCcycles interesting.. did any witnesses come to court? or was it a plea bargain? On 7/29/05, Michael Jordan wrote: > > So basicly you have to keep insisting, if the cops say that they > > can't. How did the loudoun nine turn out? > > We had to pay $50 and pick up the garbage. In the snow. > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 29 11:47:17 2005 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:47:09 -0400 From: skip To: Jonathan Broga CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] Buell adventure bike? Jonathan Broga wrote: > > I want to amend my not going to happen fantasy - > > Two XB models - the XB44 and the XB46 > one a 400cc V4 making mid 60's > and the other a 650 (or whatever size it has to be) V4 > producing hp in the mid 90's - > > Someone here can surely explain to me why the V4 never > really made it, but it seems like it would be a great > mix of both worlds - Well, I'm riding an 84 V65 Sabre that will still rip your arms out of their sockets. I saw a good one going for $2,500. The V-Max is still in production, and is still one of the baddest bikes out there. I, personally, love the smooth 'wrap-your-stomach-around-your-spine' torque of the V4 shaft drive bikes. Sabres and Magnas are very capable tourers (a guy on the SABMAG list just rode up to Alaska on one), they'll still spank the tar out of a lot of sportbikes, they've got classic styling, and they're durable as hell. I just wish honda would go back to making them. they might do something along those lines what with the ZRX 'naked bike' getting popular again. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 29 12:41:44 2005 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:41:42 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: DCcycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] issuing tickets not witnessed > interesting.. did any witnesses come to court? or was it a plea bargain? The basic drill was that a group of us were out on a ride and passed through Purcellville south to north. About 10 miles north of P'Ville the 9 lead riders stopped to let the back of the pack catch up. Bikes stopped along the side of the road, riders dismounted and helmets off. A wee bit later a State Trooper tops the hill (damn near airborne off the hump) and pulls to a screeching stop just behind us. He then proceeds to write us up for Reckless Driving and won't answer any of out questions other to say "You know what you did". It later came to light that the Chief of Police of P'Ville saw a group of motorcycles riding through town in a manner that he did not personally approve of and called the State boys. We went (as a group) and contracted with an attorney to represent us (as a group) in court. Bottom line, a few bucks to the lawyer, completing a driver's safety course (on line, yet) and the whole thing officially never happened. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 29 12:48:28 2005 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:47:42 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Michael Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] issuing tickets not witnessed Cc: DCcycles Very interesting. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 29 13:18:27 2005 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:18:25 -0400 From: Michael Jordan To: DCcycles Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] issuing tickets not witnessed > Very interesting. Yup - it's amazing what you can do if you're a cop and willing to lie under oath. -- Michael J. '86 SRX-6 '93 GSX1100G '03 DL1000 AMA IBA #3901 USAF (Ret) NRA etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 29 13:31:36 2005 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:31:01 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Dave Yates Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] sworn in and 5th amendment Cc: DCcycles No, I just have been to court in pg county.. and it seems like when you plead not guilty they automatically swear you in. Maybe i'm wrong. LOL ... No I haven't been ticketed in about 2 years, and that was out of town. I think I got a speedign ticket like 4 or 5 years ago driving to NY. I have just been discussing (well reading discussions mostly) on other lists. Some guy got a ticket for havign wrong tags in a parking lot on someone elses bike (not sure if the vehicle was running or parked) and heard a story about a case being dismissed because the cop never saw the guy without his helmet. So I plan to keep my helmet on unless asked to remove it LOL don't care how hot it is... and i'm going to write chicken scratch. Figure it will look better if I try the helmet stayed on thing. No helmet, no face, no real signature.. that should be a dismissal. Now i'm hoping I just don't jinx myself into the situation.. but I usually ride like a good little boy, especially in some jurisdictions. I'm the type of person I try to be well prepared for the imaginable, so if/when the s**t hits the fan, it won't be so bad. I also have a problem not with authority existing, but exerting itself unwarranted, especially when it's unjust. In my younger day's i've been victimised by police officers absolutely lying in thier reports or court, or acting unconstitutional and beyond the scope of their duties. Now that i'm older, I agree with old Mr Franklin that those who trade freedom for security deserve neither. If you abide by an unjust system, you deserve the reprocussions of the system you allow. (insert some preaching here about better to risk suffering, and live in a fight for what's right, than a live as a suffering willing victim of what's wrong, and the unexamined and accepted unjust life is not worth living). There's a big difference between the sinful and evil, from those who are unjust and or ignorant in the name of being the good rightous savior, justice system. To be clear, I'm not against the system, I'm against the improper workings, and injustices in the system. I'm all for the justice system professions being a highly paid noble occupation, along with the standards and criteria, and accountability being raised accordingly. :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 29 13:37:03 2005 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:36:23 -0400 From: Danny Motorcycle To: Michael Jordan Subject: Re: [dc-cycles] issuing tickets not witnessed Cc: DCcycles OMG I'm sure you share my passion against that. When I hear about officers who get injured or worse, I whole heartedly hope it's not one of the good guys, but maybe a deserving karmatic correction. On 7/29/05, Michael Jordan wrote: > > Very interesting. > > Yup - it's amazing what you can do if you're a cop and willing to lie > under oath. > > -- > Michael J. > '86 SRX-6 > '93 GSX1100G > '03 DL1000 > AMA > IBA #3901 > USAF (Ret) > NRA > etc. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 29 15:16:57 2005 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DCCycles" Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:16:50 +0000 Subject: [dc-cycles] Danny will find this interesting... http://www.motoring.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=2639862 No blood in the streets either... Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 30 22:25:51 2005 Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:25:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray To: Brian Ray Subject: [dc-cycles] On the road again..... Well, I'm off for the wilds of Minnesota, for the Ray family reunion. I'm leaving in the morning (Sunday) on my motorcycle. At the very least, it should be interesting. I'll be posting to my blog when and if I can find internet access along the way. I've already uploaded my planned route and a bit more information. For those of you who don't have it bookmarked, it's http://ar-traveler.blogspot.com/ Stop by, check it out, and LEAVE COMMENTS! (Please?) Peace, ya'll. B